If they can pick up the NTSC signals with their antenna, they should have no problem picking up the digital version. I am not in that area, and I can't say for sure, though.

SMK
Before I changed to D* I could pickup with reasonable to good picture quality almost any channel in the surrounding area. These included Channels 10 and 12 in Providence, 6 in Maine and 6 in New Bedford (antenna rotor) 9 and 11 from NH and any channel broadcasting from the Boston area at that time. I have a HD UHF antenna on the roof with an amplifier, (something I didn't have with the other antenna) and I can get most of the Boston channels including 25, but I don't get 10 from RI or 11 from NH anymore. I am in Lunenburg and Jeffrey is a little further from Boston. Presuming where you live is not among the trees I would think you could receive some NH channels and some of the Boston channels. I don't get some of the channels that are available to me because some trees block my line of site. According to the man that put up my antenna, who tried many locations on my roof and finally settled on the spot where it is to give me the highest signal strength for channel 7 a channel that I watch a great deal of time, trees block the UHF signal.

Here's a start on OTA channels in the Boston area (first # is the RF channel number, the # in parenthesis is the channel's well known #):

19-1 WGBHDT (2-1)
.......
Channel listing removed for space savings

I'm curious how the OTA channels available using an antennae differ from the those available by just connecting the cable line directly to the TV.
I currently have Comcast cable. But it is a very basic package. We don't even have a cable box. The cable is run directly to the TV.

Using that setup, we are able to get a number of HD channels in the higher numbers (85 and higher). Many of these channels have dash numbers that come after the main number (i.e. 85-1, 85-2 and so on).

Some of the channels we currently get include ABC, NBC (I think), PBS (a few) and currently we get Cinemax in HD (beautiful picture).
These are being picked up using the standard cable I assume?

What is the difference between the channels we are getting now and those other people are getting utilizing an antennae?

Not much. As close as I can tell, Comcast isn't compressing the signal at all, so it should be the same overall quality/bitrate as you get OTA.

The only real difference is the fishing trip you have to go on to figure out what the mapping between the Comcast channel assignments and OTA channel numbers are.

Thought the may be the case.
Well... Tonight I will write down the channels (name and number) I am currently getting and post them up for other peoples use.

Is the Cinemax a temporary thing?... free for people - encouraging them to get a HD package? Anyone able to get Discovery in HD without a package?

Thanks for the comments and the antennaweb suggestion. I forgot about that site.

Antennaweb only shows 7 analog stations, no digital stations, and it doesn't show many of the stations I know they receive, so I don't know how reliable that is.

I'll tell them to try the antenna when they get their TV and see what they get. If they don't have very good luck pulling in the digitals, then they can get cable.

Thanks again.

Larry

Does anyone happen to know what the host channel for TVGOS is in the Boston area ? I bought a new tv and I can not get the guide to work, It's been on for 4 days now and the listings are not filling in, and they are very sporatic and the time is still in the early morning.

Does anyone happen to know what the host channel for TVGOS is in the Boston area ? I bought a new tv and I can not get the guide to work, It's been on for 4 days now and the listings are not filling in, and they are very sporatic and the time is still in the early morning.
I believe WGBH channel 2 broadcasts this info, use the search box above and search this forum for TVGOS.

My WHDHDT (7-1) signal has been horrible the last week or so. I'm guessing it's not a widespread issue since I don't see any other postings about it. I'm in Canton and I use a OTA antenna and DirecTV.

My WHDHDT (7-1) signal has been horrible the last week or so. I'm guessing it's not a widespread issue since I don't see any other postings about it. I'm in Canton and I use a OTA antenna and DirecTV.

I use OTA with DirecTV TiVO, and my WHDHDT has been fine (through the TV direct and thru the TiVO). WHat specific problem you having?

My WHDHDT (7-1) signal has been horrible the last week or so. I'm guessing it's not a widespread issue since I don't see any other postings about it. I'm in Canton and I use a OTA antenna and DirecTV.

I was getting huge picture breakups during Friday Night Lights last night. I'm in Cambridge.

I was getting huge picture breakups during Friday Night Lights last night. I'm in Cambridge.
That's what prompted me to post, FNL. It was unwatchable. When I ran the signal strength meter during the viewing, it essentially could not log on a signal at all.

Antennaweb only shows 7 analog stations, no digital stations, and it doesn't show many of the stations I know they receive, so I don't know how reliable that is.

I'll tell them to try the antenna when they get their TV and see what they get. If they don't have very good luck pulling in the digitals, then they can get cable.


Larry,

I've heard a few times that people on the fringes find antennaweb to be on the conservative side and often successfully get more channels so they should definitly give it a shot.

Bob Yankowitz,

It's now the middle of December, the original targeted time for Jeopardy in HD. Is there any update when it will happen?

TIA

SMK

Bob Yankowitz,

It's now the middle of December, the original targeted time for Jeopardy in HD. Is there any update when it will happen?

TIA

SMK
Target dates are made to be broken!

Actually, we have just completed (this week) installing the new video server that feeds all programs and commercials to WBZ, WSBK and WLWC. However, some of the HD components have been delayed in delivery, so we are backed up a bit until they arrive.

Let's say sometime in 2007 would be a good new target. I'll let you know.

Too bad about the delays, but thanks for the update.

SMK

What is going on with the PATS game, where is the HD Feed :mad:

- Rich

What is going on with the PATS game, where is the HD Feed :mad:

- Rich

yes .. very lame .. what the hell is going on

Same on DirecTV with the MPEG4 feed. :(

CBS is not producing the Patriots game in HD.

CBS is not producing the Patriots game in HD.

CBS @^%#!($%!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: If you don't want to do it right, why not give the coverage to FOX?

- Rich

The day I have some folks over to see the Pats in HD and it's in SD!!!
Who do I complain to??

-t

The day I have some folks over to see the Pats in HD and it's in SD!!!
Who do I complain to??

-t
The host, for not checking to make sure the game was in the HD. :)

Who checks anymore, I can't remember the last time a Pats game wasn't in HD. I've been watching them in HD for years, but the days of non HD games seems to slip my memory...? I USED to check, like 3+ years ago, but when was the last SD Pats game?

bummer.

Who checks anymore, I can't remember the last time a Pats game wasn't in HD. I've been watching them in HD for years, but the days of non HD games seems to slip my memory...? I USED to check, like 3+ years ago, but when was the last SD Pats game?

bummer.

I am pretty sure it was a game @ Arizona, it was't last year so 2004.

I am pretty sure it was a game @ Arizona, it was't last year so 2004.

Hmm, that sounds about right.
To be honest, I assumed it was based on the equipment at the stadium, and NE had all HD hardware, guess not.

I guess we're spoiled, I work with a bunch of Bills fans, they seem to never have the HD feed. Maybe this was the last SD feed we'll see here? Barring someone forgetting to switch on the right feed, like used to happen regularly back in the day.

CBS only does 3 games. Today's game was crew #4.

Hmm, that sounds about right.
To be honest, I assumed it was based on the equipment at the stadium, and NE had all HD hardware, guess not.

I guess we're spoiled, I work with a bunch of Bills fans, they seem to never have the HD feed. Maybe this was the last SD feed we'll see here? Barring someone forgetting to switch on the right feed, like used to happen regularly back in the day.
CBS already announced the Jacksonville game to be in HD. But, especially if the Pats win next week, I wouldn't count on the Tennessee game being HD. The Pats today paid the price for their lackluster performances of late by getting SD and the #4 announcing crew. Even today's game wasn't all that impressive against a pathetic Houston team.

Mr. Yankowitz, has there been any progress on the investigation into the captioning problem on WSBK-DT?

Mr. Yankowitz, has there been any progress on the investigation into the captioning problem on WSBK-DT?
No results yet, but to be honest, we've been tied up completely with our video server replacement project for the past few months.

Keep bugging me; I'll feel guilty and get back to it.

Anyone know why a bunch of WGBH shows are showing that they are in HD but are comming up in SD? 2-1 has a kids show, it's a big, big world right now that I know is in HD but they are broadcasting in SD.

Also, Niagra on 44-2 says HD but is in SD? Great performances did not say HD, but why the heck isn't it? That James Taylor tribute screamed HD!!!!

Thanks, Jim.

Mr. Yankowitz, has there been any progress on the investigation into the captioning problem on WSBK-DT?
It took a multi-national effort, but I think we've finally licked it (that's actually only a slight exaggeration).

Have a look and let me know if you can now see the captions on your set.

Bob Y., Now that you solved a major problem (CC on TV38), how about taking care of a small problem...a local HD newscast. Boston is the only Top 10 DMA without a local HD newscast (not necessarily a fact, but a theory of mine). It's about time, isn't it? Just put a little extra makeup on Jack Williams to cover the old wrinkles.

Bob Y., Now that you solved a major problem (CC on TV38), how about taking care of a small problem...a local HD newscast. Boston is the only Top 10 DMA without a local HD newscast (not necessarily a fact, but a theory of mine). It's about time, isn't it? Just put a little extra makeup on Jack Williams to cover the old wrinkles.

As long as we don't have to see your face in HD on the news I am all for it. :p

I believe channel 5 is going HD this Spring if I remember correctly

As long as we don't have to see your face in HD on the news I am all for it. :p

I believe channel 5 is going HD this Spring if I remember correctly
I could go for Shiba Russell in HD!

I could go for Shiba Russell in HD!

I bet you could. I suspect once one starts doing HD the others will follow not to far down the road I know I will switch to ever has HD news. I wish Fox 25 would do theirs in HD as well

Bob Y., Now that you solved a major problem (CC on TV38), how about taking care of a small problem...a local HD newscast. Boston is the only Top 10 DMA without a local HD newscast (not necessarily a fact, but a theory of mine). It's about time, isn't it? Just put a little extra makeup on Jack Williams to cover the old wrinkles.

A little extra makeup and about $6 million for the equipment. Petty cash!

A little extra makeup and about $6 million for the equipment. Petty cash!
$6 million IS petty cash to CBS, Inc., isn't it?

$6 million IS petty cash to CBS, Inc., isn't it?

To CBS perhaps, but probably not for the local affiliate.

To CBS perhaps, but probably not for the local affiliate.
Maybe not even CBS, I suppose, since CBS is still too cheap to do all its NFL games in HD yet.

Anyone know why a bunch of WGBH shows are showing that they are in HD but are comming up in SD? 2-1 has a kids show, it's a big, big world right now that I know is in HD but they are broadcasting in SD.

Thanks, Jim.
I thought someone who is more expert than I would answer the question, but I guess not. I believe c hannel 2-1 is the equipment to transmit in SD only and is on a certain frequency. Channel 2-2 is the WGBH HD channel and broadcasts at another frequency us HD transmitters. The sister station channel 44 I know nothing about, but judging by the answer to the HD news question. The cost of HD transmitting equipment must be quite high and will take many more days of fundraising for the PBS channels. I'm happy to be watching the Nashville Symphony in HD on 2-2 as I type this note. Also on 2-2 the sound is in 5.1 while it is only in 2 on 2-1. The show is being transmitted on both channels.

Actually, 2-1 and 2-2 transmit on the same frequency (the allocation formerly known as UHF Channel 19?), and are just different program streams in the aggregate transport stream. 2-1 just happens to be the SD sub-channel, whereas 2-2 is the HD sub-channel. I think that by GBH's choice, -1 will always be SD.

Thanks a bunch. Guess I'll have to bump my GBH contribution up from the annual $35 ;)

It took a multi-national effort, but I think we've finally licked it (that's actually only a slight exaggeration).

Have a look and let me know if you can now see the captions on your set.
Hurray! It works! You fixed it! Additionally, my TV now correctly offers the analog captioning options, i.e. CC1-4 & Text1-4. I am suitably impressed, and thank you for your efforts, Bob.

I am also extremely curious as to the details, and so I have seven follow-up questions for you:

1. What did the problem turn out to be?
2. How did you finally track it down?
3. Exactly how did you fix it?
4. Did there turn out to be a phantom digital captioning signal?
5. Was a flag in the data stream indicating the presence of a digital captioning signal erroneously set?
6. What was the key difference between WSBK-DT and WLWC-DT?
7. Did the problem affect only OTA, or did it affect national syndication of WSBK-DT on digital cable and/or satellite?

Hurray! It works! You fixed it! Additionally, my TV now correctly offers the analog captioning options, i.e. CC1-4 & Text1-4. I am suitably impressed, and thank you for your efforts, Bob.

I am also extremely curious as to the details, and so I have seven follow-up questions for you:

1. What did the problem turn out to be?
2. How did you finally track it down?
3. Exactly how did you fix it?
4. Did there turn out to be a phantom digital captioning signal?
5. Was a flag in the data stream indicating the presence of a digital captioning signal erroneously set?
6. What was the key difference between WSBK-DT and WLWC-DT?
7. Did the problem affect only OTA, or did it affect national syndication of WSBK-DT on digital cable and/or satellite?
You sure ask a lot of questions.

The answers are all related (except for #7)...

All of the settings of both the MPEG encoder and the PSIP generator computer appeared to be identical between WLWC and WSBK, which was why it took so long to find out what was wrong. The real culprit turned out to be buried several levels deep in the configuration of the system that imports program guide information from an outside service. In that configuration, only on WSBK, was a setting that told the program guide that all programs have both analog and digital closed captions. We were not actually transmitting digital captions (blank or otherwise), but we were lying to your receiver that we were. It took a bit of sleuthing via a transport stream analyzer followed by help from the manufacturer to track it down.

Number 7's answer is that all of WSBK's signals would have been affected, as the problem was occuring at the origination point before distribution.

Enjoy your captions...

Thanks a bunch. Guess I'll have to bump my GBH contribution up from the annual $35 ;)I wouldn't. I'd actually do the opposite. Their HD PQ is attrocious (watch the macroblocking on nature shows with a lot of motion, especially water), and embarassing considering they're the flagship PBS channel and produce/co-produce much of PBS-HD programming alone and with the BBC.

I sent them an email on this and they admitted their HD channel looked poor but said they were unlikely to improve PQ because they have no interest in stopping multicasting any time soon (if ever).

2-2 certainly doesn't look poor at my house. The great performances show with Renee Fleming was great. I was using it to show the difference between HD and SD by switching back and forth between 2-1 and 2-2. To my obviously undiscerning eye 2-2 looks as good as 4-1.

Well, 2-2 does lose a little, owing to their multicasting, but then again, so does 7-1. I find 2-2 at least acceptable most of the time, and definitely like it better than SD. I haven't noticed THAT much motion artifacting on 2-2.

I watched Walking the Bible on 2-2 and the PQ was breath-taking. Nothing wrong with 2-2 here.

Off topic a bit but...
What difference would a cable fed version of GBH-HD be over an OTA version?
I have only cable and I'm curious if cable does anything to the signal prior to delivering it to my box.

-t

Off topic a bit but...
What difference would a cable fed version of GBH-HD be over an OTA version?
I have only cable and I'm curious if cable does anything to the signal prior to delivering it to my box.

-t

I'd like to know too. I have OTA and DirecTV (H20).. I've never seen cable HD.

I'd like to know too. I have OTA and DirecTV (H20).. I've never seen cable HD.

For cable, the transport stream get modulated in QAM format (OTA uses 8VSB), but other than that my understanding is that most cable companies don't do anything to the underlying MPEG-2 content, so the content you get once the signal is demodulated is the same. Conversely, for DirecTV (and Dish), my understanding is that they re-encode (which means they modify the MPEG-2 content) at a lower resolution and lower bitrate to conserve the more limited bandwidth they're working with.

Depending on the setup, Kenn is probably getting the signal OTA using the D* receiver. Currently, D* is sending locals via satellite to Boston via MPEG-4 (not 2). Those signals are compressed, and how much that compression affects the picture quality is debated in other places. But the H20 and now the HR20 are capable of picking up OTA signals, and Kenn may well be using the H20 to receive them OTA in which case there is no compression by D* involved.

SMK

I have OTA via Roof mounted antenna. My H20 and HR20 are the receivers. Now that the HR20 had its OTA turned on the other day from D*. And yes I do get the locals via D* satellite as well.

Depending on the setup, Kenn is probably getting the signal OTA using the D* receiver.

OTA is obviously one option and one I take advantage of with my DirecTV HR10-250 and accessDTV receivers.

Currently, D* is sending locals via satellite to Boston via MPEG-4 (not 2). Those signals are compressed, and how much that compression affects the picture quality is debated in other places.

Yeah, I should have mentioned that DirecTV is using MPEG-4 for the HD channels they've added recently (including NESN-HD and the local networks in some markets, including Boston). However, they are starting with the original MPEG-2 content, lowering the resolution, changing the bit rate and reencoding it in MPEG-4. How much all of that affects picture quality will depend on the content, the size of the display, and a number of other factors. If reliable OTA reception is available, it's the best option for the major network channels, IMO.

But the H20 and now the HR20 are capable of picking up OTA signals, and Kenn may well be using the H20 to receive them OTA in which case there is no compression by D* involved.

This is true.

My point was that the different modulation (QAM instead of 8-VSB) used by the cable company has no negative impact on the end result as the underlying transport stream is unmodified. If OTA reception isn't available for HD content, cable TV is probably a better option than DirecTV or Dish if the best picture quality is the priority.

I have the Sony XBR950 which has a built in HD tuner. Watching the Patriots on CBS4/Boston channel 4.1, the picture was beautiful. No affects, no time delay. The only downfall was swiching back to satellite. The OTA guide on the XBR's are no where as informative as the H20/HR20's. I'll probably just use straight OTA in a really bad rain/snow storm because I dont loose the picture. I'm just happy that I can record OTA now. :) GO PATRIOTS!

I have the Sony XBR950 which has a built in HD tuner. Watching the Patriots on CBS4/Boston channel 4.1, the picture was beautiful. No affects, no time delay. The only downfall was swiching back to satellite. The OTA guide on the XBR's are no where as informative as the H20/HR20's. I'll probably just use straight OTA in a really bad rain/snow storm because I dont loose the picture. I'm just happy that I can record OTA now. :) GO PATRIOTS!

Last week it was not beautiful, it was SD. Just think if we were undefeated we would not get any more games in YD. :rolleyes: Yuck!

- Rich

Last week it was not beautiful, it was SD. Just think if we were undefeated we would not get any more games in YD. :rolleyes: Yuck!

- Rich

No it wasnt it sucked! :) This weeks looks to be in HD. Christmas Eve (day) watching the PATS. Party later Christmas Eve - Beef Tenderloin for sups! I can't for Sunday :)

Last week it was not beautiful, it was SD. Just think if we were undefeated we would not get any more games in YD. :rolleyes: Yuck!

- Rich

I would say that overall the PQ of HD football, particularly on CBS, has gone way down in the last year or so. Not sure if this is a production call, or an engineering one, but what used to be almost razor-sharp (except for slightly over-EE'd) productions of games have now been reduced to almost less than acceptable fuzzy approximations of "High Definition." Is it better than SD? Sure. But it could be a lot better. In my book top honors for worst "so-called-HD" production go to FOX's "HD" broadcasts of Red Sox baseball which are STILL nothing more than 480i cameras run in anamorphic widescreen mode and upscaled to 720p. Hey Fox - can we get real, here? You ain't foolin' anyone....(at least they were smart enough to make sure the CS and WS games were really in actual 720p.)

There are still a few programs here and there which due stay true to "HD" and when you catch one (yes, even on multicasting stations like WCVB or WGBH) you can easily see the superior quality. Shows like the original "CSI" on CBS and "Lost" on ABC are still reference quality HD IMO, as well as many shows which appear on PBS. unfortunately many other prime time fare has cheaped out and hoped we won't notice the difference.

Its a shame to see mainstream sports, esp the NFL, falling by the wayside on PQ. I hope there's some improvement in bringing back "HD" to HD in the future.

including NESN-HD and the local networks in some markets, including Boston).

What channel number from D* do you get NESN in HD. According to their info 623 is not HD and it certainly doesn't look it on my TV

including NESN-HD and the local networks in some markets, including Boston).

What channel number from D* do you get NESN in HD. According to their info 623 is not HD and it certainly doesn't look it on my TV

NESN is NOT in HD on DirecTV. Very little is, as a matter of fact.

NESN is NOT in HD on DirecTV. Very little is, as a matter of fact.

If you're in the PVD - NewBedford DMA. If you're in in the Boston DMA, NESN and FSN are in HD, if you have the the MPEG4 setup. That means that you need a MPEG 4 receiver and a MPEG 4 capable dish. D*TV will provide that equipment free, in most situations. I live in Westport, so I don't get those stations in HD yet*.

As for HD on D*TV, they have most of the national HD channels, and, their receivers (I have an H10) also have a built in ATSC tuner with which I get just about every Boston and Providence OTA station out there.

If you're in the PVD - NewBedford DMA. If you're in in the Boston DMA, NESN and FSN are in HD, if you have the the MPEG4 setup. That means that you need a MPEG 4 receiver and a MPEG 4 capable dish. D*TV will provide that equipment free, in most situations. I live in Westport, so I don't get those stations in HD yet*.

As for HD on D*TV, they have most of the national HD channels, and, their receivers (I have an H10) also have a built in ATSC tuner with which I get just about every Boston and Providence OTA station out there.

I live in Lunenburg which I believe is in the Boston DMA and have the MPEG capable dish and neither 620 or 623 look remotely HD to me.

NESN is NOT in HD on DirecTV. Very little is, as a matter of fact.

NESN is in HD on D* There are 2 channel 623's. One is the SD the other is the HD. You need the H20 MPEG4 in order to see it.

Has anyone noticed that WCVB-DT seems to have dropped the weather radar from their HD carrier? I was managing the channels on my new Samsung 260 yesterday and noted it no longer appeared in the listing. I know it was there before, as recently as last weekend I thought. Re-scan didn't find it either, so definitely looks to be gone? I haven't checked today, but definitely not there yesterday afternoon.

Has anyone noticed that WCVB-DT seems to have dropped the weather radar from their HD carrier? I was managing the channels on my new Samsung 260 yesterday and noted it no longer appeared in the listing. I know it was there before, as recently as last weekend I thought. Re-scan didn't find it either, so definitely looks to be gone? I haven't checked today, but definitely not there yesterday afternoon.

God I hope so, these are complete waste of bandwidth that limit the quality of their primary broadcast.

If I want the weather, there is the internet. Very inventive, thanks Al ;)

- Rich

NESN is in HD on D* There are 2 channel 623's. One is the SD the other is the HD. You need the H20 MPEG4 in order to see it.
Thank you for that information. My 623 HD wasn't checked so I never knew it was there. I did note that there are not two 620's so FSNE is still in SD.

Thank you for that information. My 623 HD wasn't checked so I never knew it was there. I did note that there are not two 620's so FSNE is still in SD.

your welcome!

Yeah FSNE is just in SD. PATRIOTS WON!

your welcome!

Yeah FSNE is just in SD. PATRIOTS WON!

And they won in HD!!!
Though the sound went away some time in the 3rd quarter for a minute or two...

Does anyone know why the FOX NFL Games look so much better?
Picture seems to have more punch and color on FOX...
-t

And they won in HD!!!
Though the sound went away some time in the 3rd quarter for a minute or two...

Does anyone know why the FOX NFL Games look so much better?
Picture seems to have more punch and color on FOX...
-t
There are those that would disagree with you and have the opposite opinion. Myself, I think CBS4 and Fox25 games are roughly equal in quality. In your case, it may have something to do with your display. CBS uses 1080i resolution and Fox 720p. If your TV is 720p that could be why you think Fox looks better.

There are those that would disagree with you and have the opposite opinion. Myself, I think CBS4 and Fox25 games are roughly equal in quality. In your case, it may have something to do with your display. CBS uses 1080i resolution and Fox 720p. If your TV is 720p that could be why you think Fox looks better.

Well my display does native 720p but I get my signal from Charter Cable on a Scientific Atlanta box that is set to output at 720p, though it allows up to 1080i output if I want. I'll have to do some more checking.
Thanks,
-t

PS Happy Christmas to all!

And they won in HD!!!
Though the sound went away some time in the 3rd quarter for a minute or two...

Does anyone know why the FOX NFL Games look so much better?
Picture seems to have more punch and color on FOX...
-t

I'm in your camp. Fox NFL games look much better on my set, and it is native 1080i. I think FOX must be sending out a higher resolution picture.

What's with WHDH-DT? Every morning now someone is asleep at the switchboard and fails to convert over to HD for The Today Show. Still SD at 7:45AM. This has become a regular happening.

What's with WHDH-DT? Every morning now someone is asleep at the switchboard and fails to convert over to HD for The Today Show. Still SD at 7:45AM. This has become a regular happening.


I wish I were home at that hour to watch! :) On the Newburyport Train to Boston at 5:27am :(

What's with WHDH-DT? Every morning now someone is asleep at the switchboard and fails to convert over to HD for The Today Show. Still SD at 7:45AM. This has become a regular happening.
It occasionally happens on WHDH-DT in prime time, too. It's funny, and yet sad.

New to this Forum. I live in Duxbury and have been trying to get to HD for my new Pioneer PRO FHD1 monitor, that has a native resolution of 1080p. First I tried D*TV by asking for an upgrade to HD for my two receivers, but when they came out to my property, that said that the trees were in the way, and would not set up the new dish.

Then I got a Samsung 260 OTA receiver, and tried two indoor antennas - no luck, very low signal strength of one bar. I also tried to my Comcast cable (formerly Adelphia) and got only one unscrambled channel of music videos.

It appears that I have two choices - get an external antenna for the roof, or break down and by Comcast HD. The Comcast upgrade will cost me a monthly rental on a box and a montly fee for any HD channels, so this will be expensive.

I am using my D*TV Sony receivers that are 10 years old and the upconversion in the Pioneer monitor is great. It is not HD, the conversion is great.

Two questions:

1. Any suggestions on a roof top antenna (I am 30 miles south of Boston)? Will I need a powered rotor as well?

2. If I use a Denon receiver with HDMI switching, will it do an upconversion of the incoming signal to feed the Pioneer? What if Denon does less than a good job compared to the Pioneer? How can I choose which device does the upconversion?

1. Any suggestions on a roof top antenna (I am 30 miles south of Boston)? Will I need a powered rotor as well?

If you search through this thread, you'll find lots of recommendations for roof top antennas. The ChannelMaster 4228 is one of the more popular choices. The need for a rotor depends on your location. Depending on how tough it is to get up on the roof, I'd probably try going without a rotor and only install one if you find you need it.

2. If I use a Denon receiver with HDMI switching, will it do an upconversion of the incoming signal to feed the Pioneer? What if Denon does less than a good job compared to the Pioneer? How can I choose which device does the upconversion?

Without knowing exactly which receiver you have, it's impossible to say if it will upconvert anything, but this question really doesn't belong in the local reception forum. Right now, it's a lot more important to worry about getting a signal to work with than worrying about upconversion to 1080p anyway.

RE: NESN and FSN HD reception-

Just noticed this thread...live in Providence, RI have had Directv HD for several years. I just upgraded my equip to HR20-100 because Directv informed mr that I could receive NESN HD and FSN HD(Celtics) with the new equip (HR20 anf 5 LNB)... I told them I thought they were wrong but would still go for the upgrade. Salesperson saifd those channels would be RSN's and available on 96 or 97.......anyways, cut to the chase-no NESN HD or FSN. I've talked to several Directv people about it...they are more in the dark then me about what works; I did get some kind of converter in the antenna lead -receiver loop witrh the installation (installer said it was needed for locals). Anyways does anybody know how to go about receiving the HD signal from either NESN or FSN if its is possible???

RE: NESN and FSN HD reception-

mr that I could receive NESN HD and FSN HD(Celtics) with the new equip (HR20 anf 5 LNB)... Anyways does anybody know how to go about receiving the HD signal from either NESN or FSN if its is possible???

NESN can be in HD. There are two 623's choose the HD one. This choice is in setup where you can select your favorites. As of the last time I looked 620 didn't have two choices.

NESN can be in HD. There are two 623's choose the HD one. This choice is in setup where you can select your favorites. As of the last time I looked 620 didn't have two choices.

To add to that there is also HD sports on channel 95. You can get NFL network HD games at times. The channel seems to be shared with other sports channels, so at other times you just get "channel not purchased".

_Paul

ps. this is the OTA thread, there is a Boston DBS thread.

pato-ma-

Okay...talked again to customer service-she indicated that it should be on the same channel as SD (623 or 620)..that with HD package ALL channels that broadcast in HD should be available....hmmm, didn't know about that thing about favorites or about 2 623's;if there is only one 620, that may be the problem....because FSN sports is really what I want (Celtics for now...623 for Sox in spring)....later

jimacari-

If you have the locals the same is true about them. There is 4 and BN4, 5 and BN5, 7 and BN7; the BN channels are SD and the plain digits are HD. You'll just have to switch sports from watching the lousy Celtics to the lousy Bruins. I'm sure getting FSN in HD is in the early future.

[QUOTE=jmacari]pato-ma-

....because FSN sports is really what I want (Celtics for now.../QUOTE]

I was wondering who actually still watches Celtic games...You're The One!!!

The Celtics and Bruins don't deserve to be in HD it is a waste of bandwidth.

The Celtics and Bruins don't deserve to be in HD it is a waste of bandwidth.
Steve, I'd reply to this but I can't think of a good comeback.

pato-ma-

I've been getting my local HD OTA for the last several years....radio shack antenna on roof pulls in all Boston stations and Hartford....so I haven't had a need for locals off of Directv........

What else does FSN broadcast? It's always in stand-by mode. when I click by... Obviously, I'm not a big Celtics fan . :D

jmacari-

I unfortunately had the locals and wanted them in HD so had to upgrade in order to have mpeg4 technology. At the same time I had an HD antenna installed, now for most of the HD local channels I also use my rooftop antenna. The picture quality of the OTA is so much better than the D* mpeg 4 it makes me wonder about mpeg 4.

Pato,
Do you get channel 620, FSN, in HD?

pato-ma-

Yes, OTA is so much better with HD...WGBH-HD is absolutely fantastic with some of their programming.

By the way, tried NESN 623 at 6pm (Sportsdesk in HD ) no luck. still SD....and I only have one 623. As i said, i just got the new 5LNB dish and HR20-100 receiver this week...so as an experiment I disconnected my OTA antenna to make sure I am getting locals thru DIRECT (I am)... 2 channel 10's (WJAR) show up, one looks to be an analog the other indicates dd (Dolby??)...so me and a couple of friends who are trying to figure this whole RSN HD question figure that if FSN and NESN are dependent on local channel programming to come thru this would shed some light....I still don't believe its availabe in RI. Anyways, me and my friends have been in contact with DIRECT all week with considerable conflicting info....customer service people say yes some say no....Its unbeleivable how misinformed their staff is...anyways, I still have no definitive answers.....except at this point in time, FSN and NESN do not appear in HD.

Pato,
Do you get channel 620, FSN, in HD?

No! I get NESN in HD from D*.

Anyone know a reason why SCRUBS in not in HD on WHDH DT? Well, actually, sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't. THis week, it wasn't. Is it a problem with WHDH or the network? No wonder so many people I know are confused about HD and are hesitant to get a new TV.

update-

Well, NESN and FSN are NOT available to RI DIRECTV customers....talked with a DIRECTV HD tech guy last nite. Here's the story-
on page-
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=2300004

if you put in my zip (02920) where it states-
"HD are available from each RSN. Click here"
you get the following page-

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=P3000004

which states that 620, 623 are only available in SD

if you submit Boston zip (02125) it states that 620,623 are available in HD.....

What it is, is that NESN and FSN are considered local channels in the Boston area, apparently RI is not considered local for those stations ..

so thats where it stands now-DIRECTV guy indicates that hopefully this will be worked out soon (by Bosox opening day???)

he also said 150 (!! yeah, right) HD new stations will be added soon because of the new satellite......................

I live in Westport, MA and the DTV website says I don't get 620 and 623 in HD, either. So, I guess it pertains to everyone in the Providence-New Bedford market. That stinks! Are they working to resolve this soon? What is the issue? These are definitely our hometown RSNs, if you ask me.

Davesrave-

Definitely agree that they are hometown RSN's...in fact the DIRECTV tech person also agreed (he was from NJ); he said that they knew about the situation and were trying to rectify it .....probaly is a money issue as usual................

If you get NESN in HD via D* on channel 623, you can also get the Celtics games in HD on channel 96. Only their home games appear on this channel. Since they only show the Celts games in HD, FSN NE does not have a 24/7 channel on D* like NESN.

What is going on with HD these days?? First, last week's SCRUBS was not broadcast in HD, and last night's DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES had one segment where they obviously forgot to throw a switch or something, and it was in SD. Then, this morning, I turned on the TV, which was set for WGBH-DT, and it was off the air. At first, I thought it was my HD TiVO, which has been having all sorts of wacko problems, but I tried Channel 2-1 and 2-2 direct to the TV, and neither one was was there, either. No wonder customers are apprehensive about the new technology. You'd have thought the nets and the stations would have it down by now.

What is going on with HD these days?? First, last week's SCRUBS was not broadcast in HD, and last night's DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES had one segment where they obviously forgot to throw a switch or something, and it was in SD.I was going to say that it must have been your local station, because we watched DH last night and didn't have any segments in SD. However, you're here in MA, as well, so perhaps it was something funky with just the OTA broadcast -- the cable broadcast was fine.

I was going to say that it must have been your local station, because we watched DH last night and didn't have any segments in SD. However, you're here in MA, as well, so perhaps it was something funky with just the OTA broadcast -- the cable broadcast was fine.

I was watching it on WCVBDT OTA, but it was going thru a DireTV TiVO.

Davesrave-

Definitely agree that they are hometown RSN's...in fact the DIRECTV tech person also agreed (he was from NJ); he said that they knew about the situation and were trying to rectify it .....probaly is a money issue as usual................
Have you tried changing your zip code address to one closer to Boston? I know of people outside the area who have "moved' in order to get NESN HD from DirectTV.

grampy-

hmmmm...........may try that approach; should not have any effect on local RSN's....cause I'm not getting the "ones" that are local (FSN, NESN).....

thanks for the tip

-Joe

Actually Boston, Dallas and Houston are the only 3 markets in the top 10 without HD newscasts right now. Although WFAA (ABC) in Dallas is transitioning in February.

Actually Boston, Dallas and Houston are the only 3 markets in the top 10 without HD newscasts right now. Although WFAA (ABC) in Dallas is transitioning in February.

I guess I see the glass as 1/2 full when it comes to local HD. I watch Jeopody every nite and sometimes watch local news. It has never seemed to bother me that they are not in HD. Since I don't have cable, I still get off on not having to deal with: airplane interference, snow, ghosting, and crappy sound. When I 1st got the tuner I still had a regular display monitor. The above advantages were fine until I got the $$$ for the HD display.

Now that I have the display I'm as disappointed as the next guy when the Pats are SD, or someone forgets to throw the switch during the 1st 15 minutes of a prime-time show.
Those of you that have seen Jeopody, or news broadcasts, in HD will have to tell me what I'm missing. My gut feeling is that ff the locals only have so many $$$ for a full conversion, I think they should concentrate on sports and prime-time for now. I wouldn't want a HD news show at the expense of a SD 'Lost' episode.

Just my $.02
Mike Cocorochio

Actually Boston, Dallas and Houston are the only 3 markets in the top 10 without HD newscasts right now. Although WFAA (ABC) in Dallas is transitioning in February.
Most of the Top 10 markets probably have ABC and NBC O&Os. Those networks are the ones doing their local news programs in HD. I can't say for sure but I don't believe CBS and Fox have begun local HD news as yet. And those are our 2 O&Os-WBZ and WFXT. On the bright side, I have heard WCVB is on the verge of doing NewsCenter 5 in HD. That would make some sense since they already have a locally produced program in HD (Chronicle).

Can anyone link me to a list of channels for the OTA broadcasts? There are some channels that my TV did not find automatically... and I am having trouble finding this info in the thread.

Also, since my TV (Samsung HLS) has a tuner and works with the antenna in it, is it best to stick the antenna into the TV and send the audio to the receiver through the TV (I heard perhaps this TV only passes 2 channels..)

Can anyone link me to a list of channels for the OTA broadcasts?
http://www.antennaweb.org

Anyone having trouble receiving 5.1 (ABC-DT) recently? I'm getting a signal strength of 15, where as before it was 98? I wonder what's going on...

EDIT: Just after I posted, I checked again, and it worked. All is well now.

Anyone having trouble receiving 5.1 (ABC-DT) recently? I'm getting a signal strength of 15, where as before it was 98? I wonder what's going on...

EDIT: Just after I posted, I checked again, and it worked. All is well now.
We performed tower maintenance last night, from around midnight to 1:45am. Digital channels 2, 4, 5, 38, and 44 and analog 44 were all shut down during that time.

Ow. Out working on towers in the middle of the night in this weather?

Thank you, sir, for your efforts.

Hi Everyone -

New to the forum!

Just bought a Sony Bravia V Series 40" last week. However, due to my living situation - I don't get digital cable and satelite stuff is not an option. Analog looks eh...but I can survive. I recently purchased a Phillips MANT510 Antenna, and once I figured out to set the TV on "Cable off"...duh! I picked up plenty of digital stations. I find myself watching shows I've never watched before, just because the picture quality is so good!

Anyway, I live right smack in the middle of downtown Boston...right on the common facing the State House. I am pleased with the reception I am able to get considering all the buildings and stuff...I am on the 12th floor and have the antenna in a window..so that helps.

I am able to grab quite a few stations. CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS are mostly in a 83-92 range for signal strength. FOX, however...hovers around 71-75. The picture quality seems to look good.....what is the minimum signal strength you would like to be receiving...ideally?

Sometimes...not that often....I get a drop out (did I see this referred to as "ghosting" on here?)...which I guess is a result of the buildings surrounding my area. Should I aim the antenna higher...or just see what works?

I'm sure I'll have more questions...but for now this will do. Excited to find this place where everyone seems so knowledgeable about things...

thanks!!

Mike

Mike, the signal strength will vary, especially on Fox 25. It's also affected by weather.

Almost all the signals come from close to due west (ie, up Comm Ave or Boylston from the Common/Garden. So if the antenna is at all directional, orient it that way. Experiment a little.

So you actually live in one of the better spots for reception, if you're up high and on the east end of the Common.

You might find antennaweb.org interesting.

Now for my question ... suddenly channels 2-101 and 2-102 (or something close to that) appeared as I was flipping through channels last night. Updat1 and Updat2, I think, were the description. What's that about?

We performed tower maintenance last night, from around midnight to 1:45am. Digital channels 2, 4, 5, 38, and 44 and analog 44 were all shut down during that time.

Are you guys addressing the interference on 38.1? There has been some diagonal interference lines in the picture for some time now.

Are you guys addressing the interference on 38.1? There has been some diagonal interference lines in the picture for some time now.
We are. It has been coming and going, sometimes very subtle, and we've been unable to locate the source. It is unrelated to the tower work of this past week.

Now for my question ... suddenly channels 2-101 and 2-102 (or something close to that) appeared as I was flipping through channels last night. Updat1 and Updat2, I think, were the description. What's that about?

The answer appears to be a means of downloading software updates to television sets!

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpdateTV and http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/howto/188100873

Can anyone recommend an antenna installer in Boston metro-west area? What should I expect to pay for a rotor + antenna installation?

Thanks!

Can anyone recommend an antenna installer in Boston metro-west area? What should I expect to pay for a rotor + antenna installation?

Thanks!

It has been about 3 years, but I'm assuming he is still in business. You will note the Abington address, but he did not mind coming up to Everett.
All Boston stations are in the same direction from here, so I didn't get a rotor.
The purchase of Antenna, mounting on roof, cabling to my cellar was just under $500. The job was perfect.
One piece of advice, he has it stuck in his head that all you need is UHF for HD (which is only temporarily true in Boston). Make sure to specify a full VHF and UHF unit like I did. My wife would flip out if her old fashioned TV stopped working! (I've been trying to break the news to her about 2009 cutoff.)

Loporto Satellite & Tv Antenna Svc
(781) 871-4053
1085 Bedford St
Abington MA 02351-1206

Good luck,
Mike Cocorochio

One piece of advice, he has it stuck in his head that all you need is UHF for HD (which is only temporarily true in Boston).


I have an indoor antenna, UHF/VHF working just fine...but the rabbit ears are down so only pulling UHF (to my knowledge) and picking up all the digital stations....am I going to need to do something in the future to pick these up? Or did I misunderstand the quote?

Hey, does anyone have any experience with OTA in New Hampshire? I would imagine I can get WMUR out of Manchester, but was wondering if anyone has tried to get any of the Boston stations. I'm thinking there's no way to do it unless I put some massive antenna on my roof, but didn't know if anyone had an antenna in their attic or something like that to get the HD reception.

I appreciate any experiences people have had.

On my TV (Sony Bravia V Series) there is a "Guide" button - and that brings up a Channel type guide to the stations. Often (aside from PBS, mostly) that doesn't populate with information...is this normal? Is there a setting I need to pull this in when using OTA stations?

Thanks!

Mike

Hey, does anyone have any experience with OTA in New Hampshire? I would imagine I can get WMUR out of Manchester, but was wondering if anyone has tried to get any of the Boston stations. I'm thinking there's no way to do it unless I put some massive antenna on my roof, but didn't know if anyone had an antenna in their attic or something like that to get the HD reception.

I appreciate any experiences people have had.

Welcome DC!

I don't know where you are NH but I do have an antenna on the roof and pickup all Boston channels with signal strength readings in the 80's & 90's from Manchester. Ch. 56.1 is the only channel I do not have a constant lock on as readings fluctuate from 70's and a lock to nothing at all.

Welcome DC!

I don't know where you are NH but I do have an antenna on the roof and pickup all Boston channels with signal strength readings in the 80's & 90's from Manchester. Ch. 56.1 is the only channel I do not have a constant lock on as readings fluctuate from 70's and a lock to nothing at all.

Sorry, thought I listed that. I live in Londonderry, so looks like we're neighbors. So, how big is that antenna? I was really wondering if there's any way I can do an antenna inside the attic (I heard that will work of you're close enough to the signal) because my wife and neighbors will freak if I put up a large antenna. I'm thinking there's no way it will work, but was crossing my fingers that someone had tried it and it worked.

I have an indoor antenna, UHF/VHF working just fine...but the rabbit ears are down so only pulling UHF (to my knowledge) and picking up all the digital stations....am I going to need to do something in the future to pick these up? Or did I misunderstand the quote?


This is a piece of information that surprised me also, since the UHF versions of these stations are working out so well for most of us.
You may notice that the HD (digital) station frequency usually has nothing in common with the frequency of the SD (analog) version of the station. This is converted to the more common channel # by your software.
What is supposed to happen in 2009 is that the analog stations will be shut off. Then, the digital frequency for most companies will change to the former analog setting. The obvious impact is that you and I will have to rescan our tuners as each station converts back. For example, The HD on channel 4 in Boston would be VHF at that time.
Locally they all use UHF today, because that is all that is available for now. Most of us are finding that UHF is just fine if you have 'line of sight' to the
station. And some folks (like the Mr Laporto in Abington) are wrongly assuming that UHF is all you will need in the future.

There is actually some good news hidden in all this BS. Once upon a time (between 9/11 and Katrina), there was a lot of talk about getting all law enforcement and emergency personnel around the country on
compatible radio devices. I think some of the needed frequencies are going to come from the unused spectrum after 2009 (the higher UHF frequencies)

If you look through the older posts, some experts gave us some much more insight into this issue.

Mike Cocorochio

Sorry, thought I listed that. I live in Londonderry, so looks like we're neighbors. So, how big is that antenna? I was really wondering if there's any way I can do an antenna inside the attic (I heard that will work of you're close enough to the signal) because my wife and neighbors will freak if I put up a large antenna. I'm thinking there's no way it will work, but was crossing my fingers that someone had tried it and it worked.

I live in Bedford NH, and have an antenna in my garage. I got most of the
Boston stations. I really don't remember which ones, as I used this setup
when I had D*, I now have Comcast, and so get the stations via cable now.
You don't really need a big antenna, as all the boston stations are in the
UHF freq range. Whenever the switchover happens stations could opt to
move their digital station down to their VHF freq. I had had a professional
installer install my sat dishes, and antenna, New England Antenna.
Also note, you really don't need to worry about what your neighbors say
about putting an antenna on the outside. A spouse on the other hand
is an entirely different matter. :)

buz

I live in Bedford NH, and have an antenna in my garage. I got most of the
Boston stations.
buz

That's actually encouraging. Do you know which 1 it is? I'm trying to figure out how big it might be. Thanks.

What is supposed to happen in 2009 is that the analog stations will be shut off. Then, the digital frequency for most companies will change to the former analog setting. The obvious impact is that you and I will have to rescan our tuners as each station converts back. For example, The HD on channel 4 in Boston would be VHF at that time.
That is incorrect for most stations, including ours. We will not be changing back to our channel 4 frequency after the analog shutoff. We will continue to broadcast our HDTV signal on channel 30, and your DTV receiver will continue to display our channel number as 4.1. The majority of television stations will stay on their currently assigned DTV channels, usually in the UHF band.

The low-VHF band (channels 2-6) are very susceptible to man-made interference (such as from vacuum cleaners and other motorized appliances), which does not get along well with the HDTV signal, so most stations currently in that band are planning to stay with their UHF channels.

my 7-1 for Heroes right now is completely pixelated and unwatchable, anyone else?

my 7-1 for Heroes right now is completely pixelated and unwatchable, anyone else?
9:36 Perfect picture on 7-1. Lunenburg, MA with rooftop UHF antenna.

Watched Prison Break and 24 on 25.1 tonight. Both looked pretty good, but appeared to be a little garbled - not too bad though. I think I've seen others on this site mentioning problems with "24". Is this an every week occurrence?

Fox 25 news on 25.1 looks pretty good however....not HD but pretty clear.

Checked signal strength meter on 7-1 and it's kind of jumping back and forth between 0 and 73, like it can't lock in. This is only happening on 7-1. I'm in Canton and I have OTA antenna on roof. Is there anything I can do?

My understanding is (was) that the only Boston local planning on moving their digital signal to their old analog frequency was Fox, but even that seems unlikely to me, given that they're actually showing their digital channel number in their DT call tag.

The answer appears to be a means of downloading software updates to television sets!

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpdateTV and http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/howto/188100873Thanks! Very interesting. Raises a lot of issues, some mentioned in that link. But could be very useful for the non-technical/non computer oriented.

Another question ... is there a discussion anywhere in this thread of what kind of audio is being broadcast? If so, I'll go look for it.

My understanding is (was) that the only Boston local planning on moving their digital signal to their old analog frequency was Fox, but even that seems unlikely to me, given that they're actually showing their digital channel number in their DT call tag.

Actually, Boston FOX has always been UHF 25, and I believe they're staying there.

I *think* the only Boston channel that will move back to VHF from their (temporary) UHF is Channel 7. And the only other "local" that I recall planning to return to VHF was Channel 9 (NH). All the other VHF channels 6 and lower are staying on their new UHF assigned frequencies.

At least I think that's what I read. But then again, I could be all wrong.

Actually, Boston FOX has always been UHF 25, and I believe they're staying there.

I *think* the only Boston channel that will move back to VHF from their (temporary) UHF is Channel 7. And the only other "local" that I recall planning to return to VHF was Channel 9 (NH). All the other VHF channels 6 and lower are staying on their new UHF assigned frequencies.

At least I think that's what I read. But then again, I could be all wrong.
I believe WENH-TV (Channel 11) in Durham, NH (PBS) will also revert back to 11 from its present DT Channel 57.....

Actually, Boston FOX has always been UHF 25, and I believe they're staying there.

Yes. I believe the current low power limitation of WFXT-DT (31) is the main reason. They are power limited in this frequency due to a conflict with another station in the same FCC region. Unable to broadcast more than the current 78kW ERP makes this an easy decision for them, esp considering their current analog frequency is UHF anyway (and even the "right" channel number!)

Gonna be interesting to see how it goes with WHDH going HD on VHF ch 7. I hope I don't have to make any substantial mods to my UHF-only antenna setup to be able to receive it reliably.

Actually, Boston FOX has always been UHF 25, and I believe they're staying there.Boston FOX is currently broadcasting HDTV on UHF 31.

What I mentioned is that they have intended to move their digital broadcast from 31 to 25 in 2009, but they've put "31" on their logo bug, which seemed to me to indicate that they might be trying to put it in people's heads that they're going to stay on 31 (after all, no other channel indicates their digital frequency at all in their logo bug).

That's just speculation though. All indications are that WFXT will be keeping 25, moving their digital broadcast there in 2009, and giving up 31.

I *think* the only Boston channel that will move back to VHF from their (temporary) UHF is Channel 7.I just checked and you're correct about this. Seems like a bad move, IMHO, especially since my antenna is UHF only. :D

Greetings - new to this forum. Just getting my MythTV box set up with an HD HomeRun here. I live in Needham, just off of Great Plain west of Central.

Is there anything difficult about being *too* close to the towers? Just wondering. I've been having trouble receiving WCVBDT (5.1), but WHDHDT Ch. 7.1 comes in just great. A lot could be due to the Faraday cage of a home that I live in, but does anyone have any experience with this? I know being this close (<3mi) makes tower separation a bigger deal for me.

Thanks.

Hey, does anyone have any experience with OTA in New Hampshire? I would imagine I can get WMUR out of Manchester, but was wondering if anyone has tried to get any of the Boston stations. I'm thinking there's no way to do it unless I put some massive antenna on my roof, but didn't know if anyone had an antenna in their attic or something like that to get the HD reception.

I appreciate any experiences people have had.

I live in Merrimack, NH and I can pull in PBS, ABC 5, NBC, FOX, and CBS using the Antennas Direct DB2 antenna
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=AD-DB2

I keep it indoors in a closet by my TV. Oddly enough I don't get WMUR very well.

While channel surfing Wednesday night, I stumbled upon a breaking news segment on Ch. 5 shortly after 8:00 pm, during the George Lopez show. The interesting thing was, it was in full screen high def, the first time I had seen any local news segment in HD. Liz Brunner was reporting on the "lite-brite" scare in Boston. Just a comment.

Yes! I saw that too, was going to post on it (but did not)

Im assuming it was "leftovers" from Chronicle (notice the 4:3 stretched graphics?) as in, no time to switch back over to the SD mode.

So, Since I'm assuming after Chronicle they switch everything back to 'sd' mode, I wonder, why isnt WCVB in HD for the studio(not like the cameras arent there, google says they got four more in December) is the the infastructure for the news itself? As Chronicle would seem to be alot eaiser to put together than a news broadcast (due to all the needs for updates, changings of things , etc)

But, will WCVB be the first for full HD News in Boston? It would be nice! (and would also hopefully push the others to go HD too)

But, will WCVB be the first for full HD News in Boston? It would be nice! (and would also hopefully push the others to go HD too)
I wrote to WCVB TV last week about their plans to start telecasting the news in HD and they actually replied back. I was shocked. I wrote to TV38 as well but they haven't gotten back to me.

According to Neil Ungerleider, who is the Assistant News Director, he "expects that our newscast will be broadcast in HD sometime in the mid-late Spring of this year."

And I hope your right and others will follow.

Anyone notice that Smallville on WLVI 56 CW over the past 2 weeks hasn't been broadcast in HD, but it's been a 4:3 letterboxed window? I sent them an email complaining of this.

That's actually encouraging. Do you know which 1 it is? I'm trying to figure out how big it might be. Thanks.

FWIW, I have a Channel Master 4228 in the attic space over my garage. I'm in Peterborough at a relatively high elevation, but I get nearly all the Boston DT channels (2, 4, 5, 7, 25, 44, 56) with great consistency, signal strength in the low 80s. 38 almost always is MIA, however, as is WMUR and WENH (I am completely blocked to the East). Oddly enough, I often get 10 and 12/64 from Providence as well. I actually receive them all at somewhat better S/N ratios when it rains - my theory is that the rain attenuates some of the multipath from the surrounding hills, but it's only a theory. Could also be that the rain changes the electrical characteristics of my roof! Who knows, it's all voodoo at a certain point.

It really reminds me a lot of how we got TV in the 1950s - the only thing that really works is moving and turning the antenna until you get a station, then watch the show!

What happened to WLVI-DT (or the CW as they like to be known)? Do they not show HD anymore?:confused:

What happened to WLVI-DT (or the CW as they like to be known)? Do they not show HD anymore?:confused:

Looks to be a screw up. Last week switched to HD half way through Smallville.

- Rich

I've seen HD during the evenings just switching through stations but I don't recall what program it was. It doesn't make sense to transmit audio in Dolby 5.1 24/7 but no HD. Seems like Sunbeam is not paying too much attention to its new acquisition.

I am looking for advise or recommendation for a ota indoor antenna to be used with my D* h20 receiver. I have tried a pair of rabbit ears with good results however i can not get fox.
here are my antenna web address location results.
* yellow - uhf WGBX-DT 44.1 PBS BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 43
* yellow - uhf WGBH-DT 2.1 PBS BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 19
* yellow - uhf WCVB-DT 5.1 ABC BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 20
* yellow - uhf WBZ-DT 4.1 CBS BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 30
* green - uhf WUNI-DT 27.1 UNI WORCESTER MA 301° 3.9 29
* green - uhf WSBK-DT 38.1 IND BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 39
red - uhf WLVI 56 CW CAMBRIDGE MA 108° 21.7 56
* red - uhf WLVI-DT 56.1 CW CAMBRIDGE MA 108° 21.7 41
red - uhf WSBK 38 IND BOSTON MA 108° 21.7 38
red - vhf WHDH 7 NBC BOSTON MA 106° 21.8 7
* red - uhf WHDH-DT 7.1 NBC BOSTON MA 106° 21.8 42
red - vhf WBZ 4 CBS BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 4
red - uhf WGBX 44 PBS BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 44
red - vhf WGBH 2 PBS BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 2
red - vhf WCVB 5 ABC BOSTON MA 106° 20.8 5
red - uhf WUTF 66 TFA MARLBOROUGH MA 75° 8.8 66
* red - uhf WUTF-DT 66.1 TFA MARLBOROUGH MA 75° 8.8 23
red - uhf WUNI 27 UNI WORCESTER MA 300° 3.8 27
* red - uhf WMFP-DT 18.1 SAH LAWRENCE MA TBD 107° 21.4 18
red - uhf WFXT 25 FOX BOSTON MA 108° 21.7 25
* blue - uhf WFXT-DT 25.1 FOX BOSTON MA 108° 21.7 31
blue - uhf WLWC 28 CW NEW BEDFORD MA 150° 52.4 28
blue - uhf WMFP 62 SAH LAWRENCE MA 99° 29.8 62
blue - vhf WPRI 12 CBS PROVIDENCE RI 163° 35.8 12
blue - uhf WNAC 64 FOX PROVIDENCE RI 165° 35.8 64
blue - vhf WJAR 10 NBC PROVIDENCE RI 164° 36.4 10
blue - uhf WWDP 46 SAH NORWELL MA 141° 35.3 46
* blue - uhf WYDN-DT 47 DAY WORCESTER MA TBD 107° 21.4 47
blue - uhf WBPX 68 i BOSTON MA 101° 28.7 68
* blue - uhf WBPX-DT 68.1 i BOSTON MA 107° 21.4 32
violet - uhf WPXG 21 i CONCORD NH 30° 61.9 21
* violet - uhf WJAR-DT 10.1 NBC PROVIDENCE RI 164° 36.4 51
* violet - uhf WNAC-DT 64.1 FOX PROVIDENCE RI 165° 35.8 54
* violet - vhf WPRI-DT 12.1 CBS PROVIDENCE RI 163° 35.8 13
violet - uhf WSBE 36 PBS PROVIDENCE RI 181° 36.7 36
violet - vhf WLNE 6 ABC NEW BEDFORD MA 169° 55.2 6

I am having an unusual problem with my HDTV tuner, a Humax HFA100, and tuning in WGBH-SD, WGBH-HD, and WBZ-DT with an over-the-air antenna. I live in Westford, MA.

The tuner has worked fine (except for the occasional freeze up) for almost a year, but since a couple of weeks ago it behaves as follows:

Channel 2.1 receives a strong signal and displays WGBH-SD program info, but it does not display a picture or play any sound.

Channel 2.2 receives a strong signal and displays WGBH-HD program info, but it displays the picture and sound of whatever is being broadcast on WBZ-DT channel 4.1.

Channel 4.1 WBZ-DT and all the other channels work normally.

I have contacted Humax about this and they suggested I contact WGBH, which I have done but have not heard back.

I am trying to conclude whether the problem is due to a change in digital broadcasting at WGBH or WBZ in the past couple of weeks, or if it is a problem with my tuner. Does anyone know of any changes in digital broadcasting that might account for this, have experienced this problem, or have any other ideas? Thank you for any information.

Marc

So according to the OTA satellite meter on my HR-10 I can't lock in on 5-1 or 7-1 anymore. The meter keeps jumping from like 75% to 0 back and forth. I have OTA antenna on roof. I had it professionally installed about 2 years ago and haven't had any problems until the last few months. Is there anything I can do? Do I need to go on roof and adjust it?

I am having an unusual problem with my HDTV tuner, a Humax HFA100, and tuning in WGBH-SD, WGBH-HD, and WBZ-DT with an over-the-air antenna. I live in Westford, MA.

The tuner has worked fine (except for the occasional freeze up) for almost a year, but since a couple of weeks ago it behaves as follows:

Channel 2.1 receives a strong signal and displays WGBH-SD program info, but it does not display a picture or play any sound.

Channel 2.2 receives a strong signal and displays WGBH-HD program info, but it displays the picture and sound of whatever is being broadcast on WBZ-DT channel 4.1.

Channel 4.1 WBZ-DT and all the other channels work normally.

I have contacted Humax about this and they suggested I contact WGBH, which I have done but have not heard back.

I am trying to conclude whether the problem is due to a change in digital broadcasting at WGBH or WBZ in the past couple of weeks, or if it is a problem with my tuner. Does anyone know of any changes in digital broadcasting that might account for this, have experienced this problem, or have any other ideas? Thank you for any information.

Marc
We have made no changes in the WBZ-DT transmissions recently, and none that would have ever produced the symptoms you describe.

Perhaps the most severe type of reboot you can perform on your receiver will convince it to behave itself.

We have made no changes in the WBZ-DT transmissions recently, and none that would have ever produced the symptoms you describe.

Perhaps the most severe type of reboot you can perform on your receiver will convince it to behave itself.

Thanks for the information. I asked Humax how to do a "hard reset", but they said that was not possible to do. Power cycling the unit has no effect.

Marc

So what stinks is that WSBK38 is airing the UNC/Duke game in SD, even on WSBK DT. What's worse is that they've got ESPN HD blacked out. Worse, still, is that Dish let me watch for 10-15 minutes before the blackout lock got to my STB, so I got a great chance to see what I was missing.

Yo, WSBK! If you're going to pay to have ESPN & ESPN HD blacked out, why not live on the wild side and pony up for the HD feed?

My understanding is that 38 now broadcasts no more than an hour of HD per day, Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune (?). Is that right?

I am having an unusual problem (text omitted) tuning in WGBH-SD, WGBH-HD, and WBZ-DT with an over-the-air antenna. (text omitted).
Marc

Try this: Manually tune the receiver to channel 19, the true channel of WGBH digital. This corrected a similar problem for me:

Or, try this - manually delete channel 19, power cycle the box, add back 19.

My understanding is that 38 now broadcasts no more than an hour of HD per day, Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune (?). Is that right?
Unfortunately, we are not able to broadcast Jeopardy and Wheel in HD yet. We are still acquiring and installing the necessary equipment. Beyond that, other than occasional special broadcasts (such as basketball games), we do not have any HD programming.

So what stinks is that WSBK38 is airing the UNC/Duke game in SD, even on WSBK DT. What's worse is that they've got ESPN HD blacked out. Worse, still, is that Dish let me watch for 10-15 minutes before the blackout lock got to my STB, so I got a great chance to see what I was missing.

Yo, WSBK! If you're going to pay to have ESPN & ESPN HD blacked out, why not live on the wild side and pony up for the HD feed?
The program provider, who gives the feed to us and other stations, is only producing the games in SD.

The next available HD games will be in mid-March, during the run-up to March Madness.

That is good news so maybe we will get some games in HD. It is painfull watching SD games these days

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I am having an unusual problem with my HDTV tuner, a Humax HFA100, and tuning in WGBH-SD, WGBH-HD....I am trying to conclude whether the problem is due to a change in digital broadcasting at WGBH ... in the past couple of weeks, or if it is a problem with my tuner. Does anyone know of any changes in digital broadcasting that might account for this, have experienced this problem, or have any other ideas? Thank you for any information.

Its only circumstantial, but several times over the last few weeks ch 2-101 and 2-102 from WGBH-DT have mysteriously re-inserted themselves in my "active" channel lineup after I specifically deleted them. I'm guessing some change in PSIP or other stream data is detected by my tuner (Samsung DTB-H260F) which causes it to re-map them as if a new channel were detected.

That is good news so maybe we will get some games in HD. It is painfull watching SD games these days
Better have your doctor check that. Might be a bowell obstruction.

The program provider, who gives the feed to us and other stations, is only producing the games in SD.

The next available HD games will be in mid-March, during the run-up to March Madness.
On a related subject (in my mind anyway) any word on when channel 4 will begin news in HD. And what's with the new "WBZ" graphics? It's sort of watered down compared to what we're used to seeing,and compared to the competition. Isn't WBZ supposed to abide by the "CBS mandate" for O&Os?

Or, try this - manually delete channel 19, power cycle the box, add back 19.

Thanks to everyone who offered information and suggestions. I noticed in my tuner that channels 2-1 and 2-2 were listed on channel 30 in addition to channel 19. I don't know why the tuner detected that, but I manually deleted 2-1, 2-2, and 4-1 from the channel 30 list, power cycled the tuner, and then re-added those channels and now everything is working fine. At least next time this happens I'll know how to fix it, and I don't need a replacement tuner. Thanks again.

Marc

Has anyone noticed that during HD broadcasts on ABC/WCBV 5.1 many SD commercials are very blurred (but not edges of objects), sometimes to the point that my wife has commented that it is like watching cartoons? I work in the graphics field and it looks like someone applied the Photoshop surface blur filter to the image. We have seen the problem on both of our sets (Sony Bravia XBR 32, Sony SXRD XBR2 60) using OTA through DTV HR10-250's.

Hi all...its been fun reading your thread. Got lots of info from it. But I have a problem maybe someone can help.

I live 120' above sea level with an unobstructed view to the north. I live on an island in Rhode Island, approx 80 miles away. I have an preamp on the antenna.

I get all the Boston stations very clearly. Problems only with sound on 44.2. I will not come in. Every once in a while....it will come in but it is rare.

Any ideas?

Experiencing reception problems with various signals this afternoon. No signal on 4.1, 7.1 very marginal, 25.1 not enough signal, 5.1 OK but not up to normal levels, 2.1 was only signal that was at its normal signal strength. Anyone else experiencing this type of problem. These chanels are normaly rock solid.

Has anyone had any experience with the Terrestrial Digital LacrosseA? I'm located on the North Shore and wonder if it would get the job done. The form factor is appealing and would not likely raise neighborhood eyebrows. But it also has to perform.

Experiencing reception problems with various signals this afternoon. No signal on 4.1, 7.1 very marginal, 25.1 not enough signal, 5.1 OK but not up to normal levels, 2.1 was only signal that was at its normal signal strength. Anyone else experiencing this type of problem. These chanels are normaly rock solid.

No problem watching golf on 4.1 yesterday and Nascar on 25.1

Over the last few weeks, I see two new OTA signals on WGBH DTV. They show up on my HDTV as "02-101 Updat0" and "02-102 Updat1". They have no sound or picture. Anyone know what these are? Thanks.

Over the last few weeks, I see two new OTA signals on WGBH DTV. They show up on my HDTV as "02-101 Updat0" and "02-102 Updat1". They have no sound or picture. Anyone know what these are? Thanks.
They are two small data streams one for a commercial client and one for NCAM (the Caption Center, Discriptive Video Service and Closed Caption Movie folks)

They are two small data streams one for a commercial client and one for NCAM (the Caption Center, Discriptive Video Service and Closed Caption Movie folks)

Does this have anything to do with Moviebeam or other services? I'm asking because it seems as though 2.1 and 44.1 are the only channels I have never gotten in Boston, and I was wondering if they are trying to squeeze more data into their bandwidth, sacrificing reception. Or is there another anomaly with them?

It seems like I would be able to pick up the GBH feeds as well as WBZ, which comes in consistently 90% here. They are sharing a tower after all. But it is like night and day in comparison. Any thoughts?

@JHR
Thanks for the reply. I wish that I could delete these two from my channel memory, but on my HDTV it's either "All 02 - x" or "No 02 - x" channels.

Does this have anything to do with Moviebeam or other services? . Or is there another anomaly with them?

It seems like I would be able to pick up the GBH feeds as well as WBZ, which comes in consistently 90% here. ?

Moviebeam rides in quadrature w/ the Video RF carrier on analog Ch44.
Do I understand that you get 2.2 but not 2.1; 44.2,44.3,44.4, but not 44.1?
Have you tried 19.1 or 43.1,as those are the actual channels?

Moviebeam rides in quadrature w/ the Video RF carrier on analog Ch44.
Do I understand that you get 2.2 but not 2.1; 44.2,44.3,44.4, but not 44.1?
Have you tried 19.1 or 43.1,as those are the actual channels?

Thanks for the response, it is actually all feeds of 2 and 44 - 2.1, 2.2, 44.1, 44.2, 44.3, 44.4, that don't come in for me. It is strange, as I get the networks' digital feeds (ABC, NBC, CBS, CW, even FOX on 25.1) almost perfectly, but have never once been able to find the two digital feeds from GBH. I live in a location in South Boston subject to multipath on my indoor antenna, but I still find it odd, and am suspecting something else, like an equipment problem on my end. I'm having my receiver tune the appropriate digital channel numbers of 19 and 43, like you mentioned.

Analog 2 and 44 are quite clear and not snowy at all. Strange.

I little off topic but definitely related to OTA. I've been using my OTA for a couple of years with no issues. Last week I purchased my folks a Sharp Aquos LCD and found out it has only 1 RF/Coax input. We are running cable without a CC or STB from the wall and want to use an OTA Antenna.

What are our options?

1. Use an A/B switch (either manual or remote)?
2. Get an independent HDTV tuner and go HDMI input to TV? (TV has NTSC/ATSC tuner so it kind of defeats the purpose)
3. Can I use a simple Diplexer made for Sat install (like a RCA D920) and put cable and OTA feed into it and one coax coming out to TV or will the cable and OTA signals interfere?

BTW- the Aquos is nice but this model (37D43u - new release) makes it difficult to go from cable to air and back. You actaully need to go into the set up menu to switch back and forth.

Thanks for answering my question. I figured people dealing with OTA on a daily basis would be more educated on this topic than your everyday person buying the LCD to play video games etc...

Joe

I'm asking because it seems as though 2.1 and 44.1 are the only channels I have never gotten in Boston, and I was wondering if they are trying to squeeze more data into their bandwidth, sacrificing reception. Or is there another anomaly with them?

The number of subchannels used has absolutely nothing to do with reception problems. More subchannels simply mean that there's less bandwidth for each and thus lower quality (higher compression, lower bitrate) for each one. As far as reception goes, your tuner is always receiving the entire stream (all subchannels) barring problems with your antenna and your location relative to the broadcast tower.

The number of subchannels used has absolutely nothing to do with reception problems. More subchannels simply mean that there's less bandwidth for each and thus lower quality (higher compression, lower bitrate) for each one. As far as reception goes, your tuner is always receiving the entire stream (all subchannels) barring problems with your antenna and your location relative to the broadcast tower.


Thinking about it some more, I am starting to come to that conclusion. Strength (for analog anyway) has never been a problem for me, and I would account for multipath above all else as the primary culprit. I don't really understand the composition of the digital stream, and that's why I was asking. It seems like the more data in a segment of bandwidth the more difficult it would be to receive it, but apparently that's not the case. A channel is strictly limited to frequency range, and the quality is subject to variation.

I think I'll try an attenuator to deal with all this ghosting, which could help my digital reception. Thanks for your response!

Ive been getting over the air HD for a few months now. My HD Fox channel was 87-1 for example. Tonight... all of those HD channels are gone and now I am picking up the sub channels on the regular channel - Example nbc is 5 here. I am getting the HD NBC on 5-1.

Anyone else? What has changed? lol

Hope that all makes sense.

RT, I assume that you are on Comcast without a cable supplied settop? Comcast finally got PSIP running and you TV set is now seeing the data and is renaming the channel appropriately.

Mallego

You got it. The only bummer was I lost Fox on HD. ah well.

I little off topic but definitely related to OTA. I've been using my OTA for a couple of years with no issues. Last week I purchased my folks a Sharp Aquos LCD and found out it has only 1 RF/Coax input. We are running cable without a CC or STB from the wall and want to use an OTA Antenna.

What are our options?
I'd break down and get a std HD cablebox and output via Component/HDMI/DVI and run std cable into the TV. DVR if you want to timeshift (I'll never go back to watching commercials again)

Thinking about it some more, I am starting to come to that conclusion. Strength (for analog anyway) has never been a problem for me, and I would account for multipath above all else as the primary culprit. I don't really understand the composition of the digital stream, and that's why I was asking. It seems like the more data in a segment of bandwidth the more difficult it would be to receive it, but apparently that's not the case. A channel is strictly limited to frequency range, and the quality is subject to variation.

The digital stream is just that - a big bucket of data. You either receive it or you don't unlike analog where a weak signal will sort of come in and give you a really crappy picture and bad sound. If you briefly loose the signal, the picture will go blocky (or pause) and the sound will cut out until the signal returns and the tuner resyncs with it.

The subchannels are contained within the big bucket of data. A station can use the entire bucket as 1 subchannel (best potential sound and picture quality) or split it up into a bunch of subchannels (lower potential sound and picture quality). All other things being equal, a single subchannel will give you the best quality because 100% of the data in the bucket is dedicated to that 1 program, but this only really matters if the program being sent is high quality to begin with. If the data is split into 5 programs, each program is using some smaller percentage of the available data but your tuner still needs to receive the entire bucket of data to show you the program you want. The primary program might get more data than the secondary programs, but never 100% unless there is only 1 subchannel.

I think I'll try an attenuator to deal with all this ghosting, which could help my digital reception. Thanks for your response!

There's no such thing as ghosting with a digital signal. An attenuator will only help if the signal you're receiving is too strong. Given that you're receiving the other networks, I suspect that your signal strength isn't too strong, but it certainly won't hurt to try an attenuator.

A few other thoughts / comments on things from your previous post:

1) Just because 2 or more channels share a tower doesn't mean that receiving one means you should receive the others. The 2 stations transmitters obviously can't be at the exact same spot on the tower, so chances are that 1 is higher than the other. Put an obstruction in just the right spot and you'll get 1 fine but not the other.

2) You mentioned you're using an indoor antenna. No idea if you're in a house or apartment in South Boston, but if there's any way to mount an antenna on the roof or at least outside, it would improve your chances of success.

You got it. The only bummer was I lost Fox on HD. ah well.

No you didn't. Check where it was to begin with. You'll still find it on 87.1 I believe.

NBC 4.1 rooftop UHF HD antenna Vizio TV as receiver: When using the guide it lists the programs along with the time. For shows on at 8:00 p.m. it says 9:00, also if I try info it also says 9 when it is 8. All other channels have the correct time. Of course if I use the H20 for the OTA it give the correct time in the guide. Any ideas why the anomaly?

I originally posted this in the wrong area... maybe someone can help here:

Does anyone in the Boston area (I'm specifically in Somerville) know of a professional Antenna installer? I've called some AV places but they won't do it and I certainly don't have a ladder tall enough. I tried the phone book, nada.

Maybe someone on here with a ladder wants to make a few bucks?? :)

Boston Frank,

I think there is a company called New Englad Antenna somewhere up on the North shore area. I don't have the info with me but believe I still have it at home. I will look for it and try to get it to you tonight or tomorrow morning.

I originally posted this in the wrong area... maybe someone can help here:

Does anyone in the Boston area (I'm specifically in Somerville) know of a professional Antenna installer? I've called some AV places but they won't do it and I certainly don't have a ladder tall enough. I tried the phone book, nada.

Maybe someone on here with a ladder wants to make a few bucks?? :)

I've used Skyview Antenna twice: 617-296-4820 or 781-821-0693. He's been in the business for years and did good work for me. He loves to talk, and being an antenna geek I enjoyed the chat, but keep in mind that the meter is running and he charges by the hour. I also once got an estimate from Loporto Satellite & TV Antenna Service : 781-871-4053. He was very nice and seemed to know his stuff. Loporto told me that he uses a field strength meter to optimize the location of the antenna. I don't believe Skyview does this - for me it was a non-issue, as my wife said the chimney was the only place she'd tolerate "that thing".

Boston Frank,

I think there is a company called New Englad Antenna somewhere up on the North shore area. I don't have the info with me but believe I still have it at home. I will look for it and try to get it to you tonight or tomorrow morning.

Thanks, I found them online! Did you use them?

I've used Skyview Antenna twice: 617-296-4820 or 781-821-0693. He's been in the business for years and did good work for me. He loves to talk, and being an antenna geek I enjoyed the chat, but keep in mind that the meter is running and he charges by the hour. I also once got an estimate from Loporto Satellite & TV Antenna Service : 781-871-4053. He was very nice and seemed to know his stuff. Loporto told me that he uses a field strength meter to optimize the location of the antenna. I don't believe Skyview does this - for me it was a non-issue, as my wife said the chimney was the only place she'd tolerate "that thing".

Excellent! I'll give those a try. Do you think they mind if you've bought your own antenna already??

Excellent! I'll give those a try. Do you think they mind if you've bought your own antenna already??

I know that Skyview doesn't mind - the second time I used him, I had purchased an antenna, rotor, and signal combiner on my own. He did the install work, and charged me for labor and any coax cable or parts that I didn't already have.

There's no such thing as ghosting with a digital signal. An attenuator will only help if the signal you're receiving is too strong. Given that you're receiving the other networks, I suspect that your signal strength isn't too strong, but it certainly won't hurt to try an attenuator.


Yep, what I meant was that the analog equivalent channels are showing quite a bit of ghosting, which would probably mean the digital feeds are coming in from several directions - even using the highly directional terk indoors. I am pointing it out a window through a narrow opening between two taller buildings, which I can imagine is causing much of the interference. I don't have the hardware to test the signals, but I doubt they are too weak. I can even usually latch on to 10.1 and 64.1 out of providence, even though I get nothing on their analog frequencies.




2) You mentioned you're using an indoor antenna. No idea if you're in a house or apartment in South Boston, but if there's any way to mount an antenna on the roof or at least outside, it would improve your chances of success.

Yeah, I'm in a apartment, and moving in August, so I decided to go the indoor route. I think the reception is pretty good for where I am tucked away on the first level of a building. My wife doesn't agree though! I might ask the landlord for permission to get a winegard up on the roof deck when the weather breaks - I can do the work myself.

Anyway, thanks for the tips.

I live 120' above sea level with an unobstructed view to the north. I live on an island in Rhode Island, approx 80 miles away. I have an preamp on the antenna.

I get all the Boston stations very clearly. Problems only with sound on 44.2. I will not come in. Every once in a while....it will come in but it is rare.




I wonder if 44 is doing some tweaking......starting yesterday, I now receive audio on 44.2. Very interesting.

Anyone know if they are tweaking?

I have a theory that WCVB will begin doing NewsCenter5 in HD beginning on the day of its 35th anniversary later this month. They've been advertising this periodically on TV and show a little "HD" designation next to their "5" in the ad. If the news looks as good as ChronicleHD does, they'll win me over (at least until WHDH news go HD...with all their lovelies).

I have a theory that WCVB will begin doing NewsCenter5 in HD beginning on the day of its 35th anniversary later this month. They've been advertising this periodically on TV and show a little "HD" designation next to their "5" in the ad. If the news looks as good as ChronicleHD does, they'll win me over (at least until WHDH news go HD...with all their lovelies).

I've got to agree with you on both parts, seems there Anniversary show is on the 19th, at 10pm, would be nice if it was in HD, followed by the 11pm news in HD too!

I've got to agree with you on both parts, seems there Anniversary show is on the 19th, at 10pm, would be nice if it was in HD, followed by the 11pm news in HD too!

You may be on to something there can't wait for it to happen as this should force the others to go HD as well

You may be on to something there can't wait for it to happen as this should force the others to go HD as well
On the other hand, the HD debut may be on 3/26 when Ed Harding takes over as the evening and late night anchor.

I still want Maria in HD

I still want Maria in HD
The two hottest in Boston, both from WHDH: Sorboni Banerjee and Victoria Warren.

The two hottest in Boston, both from WHDH: Sorboni Banerjee and Victoria Warren.

They are good but I still want Maria in HD

They are good but I still want Maria in HD


Nope...JC Monahan on ch. 5 .

Nope...JC Monahan on ch. 5 .

Yup that works as well. How about Sara Underwood?

Yup that works as well. How about Sara Underwood?

OK too!

Bianca something-or-other on FOX?

OK too!

Bianca something-or-other on FOX?
Yup that works as well.

Is channel 38 going to carry the ACC games in HD?

Robert Yankowitz, any chances that Wheel of Fortune would be transmitted in HD on 38.1 soon?

Thanks,

Jim

Yup that works as well.

Is channel 38 going to carry the ACC games in HD?
Yes, all of the ACC games this weekend will be in HD.

Robert Yankowitz, any chances that Wheel of Fortune would be transmitted in HD on 38.1 soon?

Thanks,

Jim
We're getting there. I can't give you a firm ETA, but we'll be starting the final work needed within a few weeks.

We're getting there. I can't give you a firm ETA, but we'll be starting the final work needed within a few weeks.

Robert,
Thanks for the good news. Not that I'm interested in Wheel of Fortune, but I like the direction Channel 38 is headed. Your information is greatly appreciated.
R, Dave

Yes, all of the ACC games this weekend will be in HD.


Excellant

Any idea when channel 4 news may go HD?

Excellant

Any idea when channel 4 news may go HD?


I know before I retired from the ABC affiliate in Norfolk, VA, we were starting to run our DTV newscasts in 16:9 though they were not in HD. It was an easy setup with the Phillips studio cameras we had.

Bruins game not in HD OTA, someone forgot to throw switch. The golf was also not in HD at least for the few minutes I had it on.

Bruins game not in HD OTA, someone forgot to throw switch.

I missed yesterday's game (hey - they actually won a game...), but the way they've been playing lately they don't deserve to be in HD. It's going to take some time, but I'm hopeful that the new management team will get things turned around in a few years so the Bruins will be a real team again.

I'm new to OTA digital HDTV reception, but I am already very impressed with what is available. I live in Watertown and I'm currently trying both the Terk TV5 and the Philips/Zenith Silver Sensor. I am having quite a bit of luck with them, but I think the Terk may beat out the Philips because it doesn't seem to be as directional dependent as the Sensor. My apartment is about 5 miles north of the major local channels in the area. Does anyone from roughly the same area have any suggestions? Likewise, if anyone has any questions regarding my experience, please ask.

Excellant

Any idea when channel 4 news may go HD?
It's a long road to travel toward local HD news origination, and we have begun the trip. We have HD cameras and some other systems in-house, but there is a tremendous amount of electronic infrastructure still to be replaced with its HD equivalent. I'm afraid I cannot give you a firm date.

It's a long road to travel toward local HD news origination, and we have begun the trip. We have HD cameras and some other systems in-house, but there is a tremendous amount of electronic infrastructure still to be replaced with its HD equivalent. I'm afraid I cannot give you a firm date.

Well it sounds like the process has started which is a good thing. Thanks for the response.

On another note I just got the MPEG 4 locals hooked up and I see that FSN is in HD for Celtics games and I know NESN has two channels. Do the Celtics games on 620 just show up as HD?

Well it sounds like the process has started which is a good thing. Thanks for the response.

On another note I just got the MPEG 4 locals hooked up and I see that FSN is in HD for Celtics games and I know NESN has two channels. Do the Celtics games on 620 just show up as HD?

No, they show up on 95, 96, or 97.

First time ive posted to this forum, let me know if this is the wrong place or whatever.

A couple days ago I noticed a dramatic reduction in signal strength from the digital fox channel in Sudbury, ma. I have a few different antennas and only one of them picks up the station now, and the signal is very weak < 30% if at all. Previously I have been easily receiving this station at about >90%. No other stations have been affected.

Has anyone seen a similar signal drop out recently, or do you think this could be a localized issue?

No, they show up on 95, 96, or 97.

Ok thanks not that they are worth watching but I was curious

Robert Yankowitz,

There seems to be a lot of confusionas to what CBS is going to provide for HD games in the upcoming tournament could you tell us what channel 4's plan is?

Thanks

The CBS4 website is now listing the NCAA games they will feature on Thursday:

BC/Texas-Tech
Georgetown/Belmont
Duke/VCU
Indiana/Gonzaga

I assume the BC game will be "Constant", while the other three will be on "Flex".

Mickey

The CBS4 website is now listing the NCAA games they will feature on Thursday:

BC/Texas-Tech
Georgetown/Belmont
Duke/VCU
Indiana/Gonzaga

I assume the BC game will be "Constant", while the other three will be on "Flex".

Mickey
Actually, all games will be "Flex." The BC game will not be in HD, but all other games will be.

Actually, all games will be "Flex." The BC game will not be in HD, but all other games will be.
That's interesting. Elsewhere they are saying that all Flex (cutaway) games will be in HD, and only the local interest constant feeds would be SD. Guess that was bad information.

Mickey

That's interesting. Elsewhere they are saying that all Flex (cutaway) games will be in HD, and only the local interest constant feeds would be SD. Guess that was bad information.

Mickey
I'm sorry for the confusion. I was trying to simplify things, and I overdid it. You are correct in that the local interest game (BC) is classified as "Constant."

From the horse's mouth (CBS):
Due to the logistics and technical facilities available in providing a High Definition feed from all of the games sites, we will not be able to provide a Constant HD feed of each game. All of the HD feeds will be Flex feeds that are switched between venues throughout the day.

Please note that your SD and HD channels should match at all times. This year you do not have the option of airing a different game on your HD channel.

For the week of March 12, if you are assigned to be Constant station for any of the games, you must upconvert your SD feed of that game to broadcast on your HD channel in order for your SD and HD channels to mirror one another. As noted above, the HD feed will be the Flex feed; we will not be able to provide you with a Constant HD feed.

Can anyone tell me if 4.1 OTA is having issues I just don't want to chase my tail if it's known issues at channel 4's end.

I have 2 tuners (2 Brands) Sony DVR and PioneerPlasma TV.
4.1 used to come in fine but now it's weak and having drop outs.
Other stations are doing ok. Both tuners have the same problem.

But this is what is strange I have Cable too. I can pickup non paid local stations cable offers with no cable card or extra service. But Channel 4.1 has the same weak drop out issues on cable !!!

Thanks for any info.

Can anyone tell me if 4.1 OTA is having issues I just don't want to chase my tail if it's known issues at channel 4's end.

I have 2 tuners (2 Brands) Sony DVR and PioneerPlasma TV.
4.1 used to come in fine but now it's weak and having drop outs.
Other stations are doing ok. Both tuners have the same problem.

But this is what is strange I have Cable too. I can pickup non paid local stations cable offers with no cable card or extra service. But Channel 4.1 has the same weak drop out issues on cable !!!

Thanks for any info.
We're not having any trouble with our signal, either OTA or via cable.

I'm sorry for the confusion. I was trying to simplify things, and I overdid it. You are correct in that the local interest game (BC) is classified as "Constant."

From the horse's mouth (CBS):
Due to the logistics and technical facilities available in providing a High Definition feed from all of the games sites, we will not be able to provide a Constant HD feed of each game. All of the HD feeds will be Flex feeds that are switched between venues throughout the day.

Please note that your SD and HD channels should match at all times. This year you do not have the option of airing a different game on your HD channel.

For the week of March 12, if you are assigned to be Constant station for any of the games, you must upconvert your SD feed of that game to broadcast on your HD channel in order for your SD and HD channels to mirror one another. As noted above, the HD feed will be the Flex feed; we will not be able to provide you with a Constant HD feed.
Thank you. That clarifies the whole story. Its interesting that the mother ship is not allowing a different feed on the Digital/HD channel this time.

Let the games begin!

I think this sucks.

Why dont WBZ create a sub channel on 38 and put an HD game on there like the RI stations do on their the last few years. 38 doesn't have and HD in any of the time slots on there main channel.

Actually, all games will be "Flex." The BC game will not be in HD, but all other games will be.

Every game has been in HD in RI -- including the BC game, the Pitt game, the Duke game, etc.

Just looking at Channel 4 right now it's a standard def feed of Gonzaga-Indiana. What's up with that?

Every game has been in HD in RI -- including the BC game, the Pitt game, the Duke game, etc.

Just looking at Channel 4 right now it's a standard def feed of Gonzaga-Indiana. What's up with that?
That, unfortunately, was a human error on our part during the last segment of the game.

With the number of games reduced next weekend, the technical limitations of this weekend will not be present, so all games next weekend and throughout the rest of the tournament will be in HD.

Hi everyone,

I'm having problems viewing CH 7 tonight. There's good signal but no picture.

I'm using a MyHD MDP-100 and it was experiencing some major problems tonight with blue screens. I've fixed those problems by reinstalling the driver. All channels are good except for Ch 7.

Thanks.

No problem in East Bridgewater. I use an in-door antenna and get around a 70% signal through a Dish 211 receiver. Just checked it and it was normal.

Thanks Benji.

I ended up deleting Ch7 out of my favorites and did a rescan. All good now.

Looks like NBC Nightly News will be going HD beginning Monday, 3/26. I'm wondering if previous reports of NewsCenter5 going HD in late March will have it beginning Monday as well. It would be nice if WHDH began local HD newscasts soon so there would be a seamless HD newscast all the way through. And I'd love to see some of those HDH hotties in HD (Sorboni, etc.).

Looks like NBC Nightly News will be going HD beginning Monday, 3/26. I'm wondering if previous reports of NewsCenter5 going HD in late March will have it beginning Monday as well. It would be nice if WHDH began local HD newscasts soon so there would be a seamless HD newscast all the way through. And I'd love to see some of those HDH hotties in HD (Sorboni, etc.).

I doubt channel 7 will go HD anytime soon they are one of the cheapest companies in the world. I bet they will be the last in the Boston market to go HD

I doubt channel 7 will go HD anytime soon they are one of the cheapest companies in the world. I bet they will be the last in the Boston market to go HD
You're probably right seeing that they only have one other TV station down in Miami, and I'm not sure exactly what else the Sunbeam company does. I'm not sure if this is the same company that makes electric blankets and batter-whipped bread.

That is the problem they are trying to make HD bread

That is the problem they are trying to make HD bread
I'd prefer HD Sorboni

I'd prefer HD Sorboni

I suggest calling channel 7 and asking them to do this for you and repiort back here with the results

There is a better chance that Jeb Bush will be elected president in 2008 then channel 7 taking any of my suggestions.

Looks like NBC Nightly News will be going HD beginning Monday, 3/26. I'm wondering if previous reports of NewsCenter5 going HD in late March will have it beginning Monday as well. It would be nice if WHDH began local HD newscasts soon so there would be a seamless HD newscast all the way through. And I'd love to see some of those HDH hotties in HD (Sorboni, etc.).

Hey Benji - just wanted to let you know the HR10-250 Tivo I got from you was finally retired from service. It was a great machine and never gave me an ounce of trouble. Hoipe all is well.

John

Hey Benji - just wanted to let you know the HR10-250 Tivo I got from you was finally retired from service. It was a great machine and never gave me an ounce of trouble. Hoipe all is well.

John
John, Glad to hear it gave you no problems. Too bad that D* changed its HD-delivery system but we all knew it was coming. Ironically I no longer have Comcast but went back to satellite with Dish.

John, Glad to hear it gave you no problems. Too bad that D* changed its HD-delivery system but we all knew it was coming. Ironically I no longer have Comcast but went back to satellite with Dish.

I just switched to the HR20 and love it much better than the Tivo box so far anyways

Yeah, the HR20 had an enormously rocky start. However, the devs really stepped up, and the newest firmware is really quite good.

How to get the Cutting Edge firmware for the HR20:
http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=60&f=118

You need to come back to Directv - The hr20 is really good - and lots and lots of good channels are coming soon :-) - make sure i get the referal credit

You need to come back to Directv - The hr20 is really good - and lots and lots of good channels are coming soon :-) - make sure i get the referal credit

I don't think D* would have him back LOL

hello

Does anyone know if Randolph, MA gets NESNHD with the Boston locals on D*??
The zip is 02368

Thanks

hello

Does anyone know if Randolph, MA gets NESNHD with the Boston locals??
The zip is 02368

Thanks

If you are talking about D* you will I live in Walpole and get that and FSN HD as well for Celtics games. NESN looks great in HD by the way

If you are talking about D* you will I live in Walpole and get that and FSN HD as well for Celtics games. NESN looks great in HD by the way


I have the new HR20-700 HDDVR and I moved from RI and on this receiver I can't get rid of my old locals in Providence..on all of my other sets with the regular box's I plugged them in and get the Boston locals like I should.

I have reset my zip in the settings on the HR_20 and choosen to allow all channels by the receiver and still have my Prov locals..

Bruins on tonight in HD

Need help

Thanks

I would call D* and have them resend the information to the box for your new location

That did the trick...

The computer actually understood what I was saying when it asked me why I was calling and resent the signal without me even talking to someone..

I hate those computer Tech support programs but for once it worked :D

Thanks

I am wondering what everyone thinks of the PQ quality of the tournament? I have tried MPEG 4 and channel 80 out of NY and OTA through the HR 20 and directly into the tv and all look not so good .

For RYankowitz:

Do you know if any of the NewEngland Revolution home games will be done in HD at all this season since the signed a 2 year deal with TV38, and have Kraft Sports Production doing the games and the cameras they use are HD since they do the Pat's preseason games in HD. I noticed TV38 will have very highly rated LA Beckham game broadcast also.