Ion 68.1 has been in HD for a while now, 1080i I think, OTA.

It's 720p. They do have some very good movies during prime time. I would hate to lose that.

Wipeout was preempted this evening by local coverage of the passing of Ted Kennedy. I don't see any indications that WCVB plans to show the episode at some other time.

All this coverage is way overboard as far as I am concerned. The media just plain sucks

I don't mind the coverage, per se, but I would have preferred them to have recorded the network broadcast and presented it after hours, and started off the local preemption with an announcement about when to tune in to see Wipeout (and, of course, in HD).

Hey Everyone In The Boston Area, When Was Probally The First Or Last Time Or So That WGBH-TV Channels 2 and 44 changed their on air bugs during their daytime and primetime programming? It's Somewhere between December 25, 2008 and January 26, 2009, Type Me Back If Anyone has got answer for me, Thanks very much!

I don't mind the coverage, per se, but I would have preferred them to have recorded the network broadcast and presented it after hours, and started off the local preemption with an announcement about when to tune in to see Wipeout (and, of course, in HD).
To see the regular network programming,you can also try to tune in to the ABC, CBS,NBC, and FOX stations in Providence which are showing the network shows.

To see the regular network programming,you can also try to tune in to the ABC, CBS,NBC, and FOX stations in Providence which are showing the network shows.

I've tried to do that, but I can't always get the RI stations. WCVB really over does it with program interruptions.

Sometimes its as if their news people are just sitting around and say, "Hey lets break into the current show just to say something that we'll say on the 11 o'clock news anyway."

They've done it to 20/20 a few times in the last couple of months. It almost made me decide to stop watching WCVB.

To see the regular network programming,you can also try to tune in to the ABC, CBS,NBC, and FOX stations in Providence which are showing the network shows.Reception from here to Providence isn't going to happen. I only have an indoor antenna, and TV Fool puts WLNE deep in the red zone for me.

I've tried to do that, but I can't always get the RI stations. WCVB really over does it with program interruptions.

Sometimes its as if their news people are just sitting around and say, "Hey lets break into the current show just to say something that we'll say on the 11 o'clock news anyway."

They've done it to 20/20 a few times in the last couple of months. It almost made me decide to stop watching WCVB.

I agree they sometimes run their news banners over and over with insignificant news and plugs for their bostonstation.com (or whatever).

I can get the Providence stations and switching to abc6 is like a breath of fresh air.

It would certainly be nice if they might use the channel allotments to eliminate the absurd amount of co-channeling, especially here in the northeast (NYC-HARTFORD-BOSTON).

But, that's probably not going to happen. If they don't recover, I'm sure some entity or other will buy it out and put something on the air and sell their ad time to Rid-X, the Clapper, etc. But to be fair, Ion didn't have a bad selection (MASH, Quantum Leap, Babar, Jacob Two-Two, & Sitting Ducks, on Qubo for my nephew, etc). Maybe they put too much into syndicated shows? Too many sub-channels and paying for each's content? "The economy" did them in? I do tend to think the low-rent picture quality put them at a decided disadvantage in terms of viewership, all four channels in 480p. Might (have) help(ed) to consolidate.

To be fair they did show blazing saddles the other week. I was surprised as although they did bleep things out you still knew what was said.

I wish whub could come back but that's just a pipe dream

I've tried to do that, but I can't always get the RI stations. WCVB really over does it with program interruptions.

Sometimes its as if their news people are just sitting around and say, "Hey lets break into the current show just to say something that we'll say on the 11 o'clock news anyway."

They've done it to 20/20 a few times in the last couple of months. It almost made me decide to stop watching WCVB.

...So it's Friday and I sit down to watch 20/20, but wait...it's the usual WCVB crap...it's not on.

I guess it's not only them this time...the other stations are doing the same.

We just completed the installation of the last part of the HD weather system last week, so you didn't miss the debut by much.

The new WBZ weather package looks great- thanks for getting weather in HD. I now watch WBZ at times in addition to WCVB. For quite a while it was WCVB only. I refuse to watch 7 or 25. For the most part I only watch the local news for about 4 minutes for the weather and sports- I could care less about the "if it bleeds it leads" crap and the celebrity fluff stories. I've gotten really good at "it's 14 minutes past the half hour, switch to a local to catch weather & sports" - by 18 minutes past I'm back to whatever else I was watching.

Now if NECN would go HD...!

Hey Everyone In The Boston Area, When Was Probally The First Or Last Time Or So That WGBH-TV Channels 2 and 44 changed their on air bugs during their daytime and primetime programming? It's Somewhere between December 25, 2008 and January 26, 2009, Type Me Back If Anyone has got answer for me, Thanks very much!

For the several times this has been asked, it just doesn't look like anyone paid attention to this. If I could ask, why are you interested in this minutia?

...So it's Friday and I sit down to watch 20/20, but wait...it's the usual WCVB crap...it's not on.

I guess it's not only them this time...the other stations are doing the same.

Well, that's the chance you take with OTA. Not that it's any different on cable, etc. You get what you get.

Has anyone else noticed the annoying change in volume for many of the commercials?

Have had several episodes of this, even in the last couple of weeks. Seems to happen more for channels geared toward an older audience (Ion, RTV, ThiS). It's also a double edge --- the volumes on these for their programs tend to be artificially low (I'll have to crank it up 10 notches to get the same volume as other channels) and then the ad content b/w programming is artificially high. Sometimes it's not too bad, other times, the commercials just BOOM, leaving us scrambling for the mute button. I just wonder whether ad time for these channels is linked to this phenomenon. I mean, with content aimed at a older population, there might be pressure on the channel to raise the volume so viewers who go to the kitchen, bathroom, etc. will still hear the commercial.

Not that this doesn't happen in network programming. "War of the Worlds" on ABC (on channel 6 out of Providence) last week was just as bad. Had to turn the volume to 50 just to hear Tom Cruise, but the commercials were at their regular volume. And yes, this phenomenon is very annoying.

For the several times this has been asked, it just doesn't look like anyone paid attention to this. If I could ask, why are you interested in this minutia?



Well, that's the chance you take with OTA. Not that it's any different on cable, etc. You get what you get.



Have had several episodes of this, even in the last couple of weeks. Seems to happen more for channels geared toward an older audience (Ion, RTV, ThiS). It's also a double edge --- the volumes on these for their programs tend to be artificially low (I'll have to crank it up 10 notches to get the same volume as other channels) and then the ad content b/w programming is artificially high. Sometimes it's not too bad, other times, the commercials just BOOM, leaving us scrambling for the mute button. I just wonder whether ad time for these channels is linked to this phenomenon. I mean, with content aimed at a older population, there might be pressure on the channel to raise the volume so viewers who go to the kitchen, bathroom, etc. will still hear the commercial.

Not that this doesn't happen in network programming. "War of the Worlds" on ABC (on channel 6 out of Providence) last week was just as bad. Had to turn the volume to 50 just to hear Tom Cruise, but the commercials were at their regular volume. And yes, this phenomenon is very annoying.
Well This Is Because I'm Intersted In When Things Change

I think you can assume, after this much time, that no one in the threads you've posted your question in knows. You should contact the stations itself. That's probably the only place where you have a good chance of getting an answer to your inquiry.

WLVI was supposed to increase power because of complaints i don't know if they went through with it yet though. Anyone getting better signal? This winter will be interesting for UHF when the trees go bare!!

I don't think the FCC has given WLVI the permission to increase power.
I know they recently asked the FCC not to allow the CT PBS in New Haven to switch to the same digital channel 41 because of WLVI's request to increase power.

Ive only recently started to capture the free OTA channels due to a long layoff bout and am only recieving OTA channels. I am wondering what is the best indoor antenna to use in the greater Lowell area. Right now I recieve CBS NBC ABC but NBC Fox the PBS's 2 44.1 World create Kids 2 spanish chanells (yipee) WSBk (crappy recep) WLVI (harldy any) I feel as though I should be getting many more stations. I currently have a POS GE Quantum DTV antenna.
Any suggestions?
Ive been considering the Radioshack UFO looking (model # escapes me) as well as the trek HDTVA just from some online reviews. What do users here use with success?

Thanks in advance.

I use the Terk HDTVa, in Burlington, though a solid wall, with very good success.

shoot, from lowell, you'd better try a terk hdtva

Do keep in mind that the HDTVa (and other amp'ed antennas) are variable adjustable.

Ive been considering the Radioshack UFO looking (model # escapes me) as well as the trek HDTVA just from some online reviews. What do users here use with success?

I have also had luck with a Terk HDTVa in Randolph. U-Do-It electronics has them. I receive 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 12, 25, 27, 28, 38, 44, 56, 62, 64 66, 68. Channels 12 and 64 are flaky since switching to VHF; even if I extend the built in rabbit ears. Fortunately 25 and 4 make 12 and 64 largely irrelevant.

ordered a Terk HDTVa from newegg, live in Hyde Park, wondering how many channels I'll get, WFXT isnt that far from here, in Dedham if memory serves correct, if this works clear enough, going to ditch cable since work will pay for my internet :)

actually came here with a question, anyone know what local HDTV stations in the Boston area broadcast over the air 5.1 dolby? I've heard varying things on the internet about this.

ordered a Terk HDTVa from newegg, live in Hyde Park, wondering how many channels I'll get, WFXT isnt that far from here, in Dedham if memory serves correct, if this works clear enough, going to ditch cable since work will pay for my internet :)

actually came here with a question, anyone know what local HDTV stations in the Boston area broadcast over the air 5.1 dolby? I've heard varying things on the internet about this.

www.rabbitears.info

www.rabbitears.info

sweet, thanks, i was using a different site that didnt have that much data.

Have they shut off WHDH's 7.1 signal (the one on RF7)? No sign of them for since about a week ago on the Pawtucket/Attleboro line. Also has anyone received WWDP 46 (RF10) since last week?

alg, I'm out just west of Worcester and I'm still seeing 7-1 and -2 on both VHF and UHF, just checked here at 11:30 PM Wednesday.

I haven't checked recently, but last time I did, I was getting 7-1 and 7-2 on both VHF7 and UHF42. I believe that was what alg2468 was referring to.

are there any plans for whdn to go full power? It seems like it would be a interesting channel to get...

No.

- Trip

WHDH is still on 7 and 42. They haven't received the authority to shut off digital 7 yet.

I also ordered the Terk HDTVa, and I'm wondering what I'm going to get. Right now, from just south of Providence, I am getting WGBH, WBZ, WCVB, WLNE, WHDH, WJAR, WPRI, WFXT, WLWC, WSBE, WSBK, WGBX, WLVI, and WNAC.

Just want to pass along a link to Max Gain Systems, designers and distributors of fiberglass antenna masts, mast systems and RF accessories. I have no financial interest in this company. I am considering a purchase directly from them however and I am willing to be part of a larger order with anyone else who may be interested in ordering. If you live in Southern NH or Essex county Massachusetts or York county Maine you are not far my house and you could pick up your order from me (about 5-10 minutes from either Hampton tolls or Greenland NH 95 exit).

I talked with the owner several months ago and was favorably impressed. Lots of useful information at Max Gain Systems (http://www.mgs4u.com/index.html). For example, check out the MK4HD telescoping, heavy-duty 25' antenna mast kit on this page fiberglass-push-up-masts (http://www.mgs4u.com/fiberglass-push-up-mast.htm). Let me know, I'm ordering later this week or early next week.

Private message me if interested so as not to clutter up the forum.

Doug Simmons

Just want to pass along a link to Max Gain Systems, designers and distributors of fiberglass antenna masts, mast systems and RF accessories.


This is interesting.
I presently have a 10-foot length of conduit serving as an antenna mast, mounted on my side wall 25 ft above gnd, getting up to 35 feet total.
I wouldn't mind getting higher up for a few bucks, but I don't want to fool with GUY LINES.
Any idea what they recommend for max height w/o guy lines, for a few of the bigger diameter sections?

Regarding max height without guys. Great question. I asked when I called. It's all about weight and windload. When I called the owner picked up the phone and gave me a bunch of free advice. They seem like the type of guys who would do that for you if you tell them what your equipment is etc...
Myself I am planning on a bracket very close to the point at which the mast pokes above roofline and then no more than 4-6' above that.
BTW they are keen on using cord not wire for guying and as you may have noticed they have an elegant integral guying solution. I'm planning on using the HD, thick wall stuff and starting up at the second floor say an 8' section of 2 1/2 and section of the next size down and get up above my roof peak 3-4' higher than presently. then when the chimney guys come in the fall I may add another 8' section above and guy it (and use their scaffolding)
Call them and ask. The day I called they were pretty helpful. Might have even been a Saturday morning as I recall.

WHDH's request to keep channel 42 has been granted by the FCC.

I bet they're really happy they didn't spend the money to replace the channel 7 antenna as originally planned.

- Trip

Did that permission also include permission to turn off VHF7?

Must be the weather.. but I can get WCVB at 70% today. I haven't had channel 5 since WTXX of Hartford switched to the same UHF 20.

Of coarse.. right after I post it's gone!

WHDH's request to keep channel 42 has been granted by the FCC.

I bet they're really happy they didn't spend the money to replace the channel 7 antenna as originally planned.

- Trip

Great. Now if they can get the power increase to WLVI.

I also ordered the Terk HDTVa, and I'm wondering what I'm going to get. Right now, from just south of Providence, I am getting WGBH, WBZ, WCVB, WLNE, WHDH, WJAR, WPRI, WFXT, WLWC, WSBE, WSBK, WGBX, WLVI, and WNAC.

I am in Pawtucket, and that's all I get. I'm not sure you will be able to get anything additional.

SMK

I am in Pawtucket, and that's all I get. I'm not sure you will be able to get anything additional.

SMK
I'm also in Pawtucket, and in addition to the channels you listed,can also get WUNI 27 (RF29), WWDP 46 (RF10), WYDN 48 (RF47), WMFP 62 (RF18), WUFT 66 (RF27), WBPX 68 (RF32), AND WPXQ 69 (RF17). You may need a more powerful antenna like the Channel Master or Antennas Direct 4 bay antenna with an amplifier and put in an attic or outside to get some of the additional channels.

Yeah, I hope to pick up maybe a couple extra, but the main reason is just to improve reception. Right now, I have to hang rabbit ears in the window to get these stations, and they require constant adjustment to avoid blocking.

Did that permission also include permission to turn off VHF7?

Not permission, rather, it's a requirement. When they file for the final channel 42 license, they'll be obligated to kill 7.

- Trip

This is interesting.
I presently have a 10-foot length of conduit serving as an antenna mast, mounted on my side wall 25 ft above gnd, getting up to 35 feet total.
I wouldn't mind getting higher up for a few bucks, but I don't want to fool with GUY LINES.
Any idea what they recommend for max height w/o guy lines, for a few of the bigger diameter sections?

Hello again Mr. Wizard and everyone else interested in the topic of antenna support. Here is a link to TV Antenna Source (http://www.dennysantennaservice.com/1170999.html). Though I have not read every bit of information on the site, there are repeated references to 10' (ten) as being the maximum height above the last support (wall bracket, tripod etc....). That sounds about right to me.

Safety is primary concern. Damage to property next. Then stability and reception. If I were on a larger piece of property with few visible neighbors and electric service were at the other end of the property (a fantasy I might add) I would push beyond that a bit using 2 1/2, 2 1/4 and 2" sections of the 1/8" wall mast.

At the site of this antenna supply house there is a testimonial and feedback section (http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7041?page=2), for example ..."What is so amazing about this mast is that it rivals cheaper "fishing pole" masts in price. When you buy the 43' version, you have tremendous flexibility. You can create a 22' heavy-duty mast by leaving every other section nested for greater rigidity. When fully extended, the mast will sway in the breeze if not fully guyed, but minimum guying (at 18' and 36' points) will keep it in place nicely."

Any one in the Seacoast picking up 44? If so what kind of array? What kind of issues/signal strength?

Any updates on ION bankruptcy BTW?

Thanks in advance.

At first I noticed occasionally that on WBZ, the audio was out of sync with the video. Suspecting it might be my set, I turned on a different set(make and model) and to my surprise, there was still a sync problem. This most often occurs on locally produced shows and commercial spots. I just didn't know if Bob was aware of the issue or not.

Any one in the Seacoast picking up 44?
Not sure about the Seacoast but here in Milford NH it rarely comes in. We use a rooftop CM4228. Analog reception was also poor. Hopefully once trees shed their leaves reception will improve.

I emailed WGBX earlier in the year and they stated they are transmitting at full rated power. Was hoping otherwise as according to TVfool we get good reception on stations that model weaker. We also have problem with 38 but much less often then 44. We were really disappointed as our family watches a lot of PBS. That was the main reason I upgraded our outdoor antenna.

TVfool data:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d8ecd1d6ecdfd6f

Our setup:
http://www.tschmidt.com/writings/Design%20and%20install%20outdoor%20TV%20antenna.htm

We also have problem with 38 but much less often then 44. We were really disappointed as our family watches a lot of PBS.

We watch alot of PBS also but in this case I was wondering about WCSH in Boston. Apparently broadcasting at both 7 VHF and 44 UHF at the moment.

Still working on the new antenna array here in Stratham. Got my Winegard 1713 (for WMUR) yesterday.

Did that permission also include permission to turn off VHF7?

They are no longer authorized to transmit on VHF 7.

They are only authorized to transmit on UHF 42.

This is a trend around the country. In Chicago, New Orleans, Salt Lake City etc....

WHDH's request to keep channel 42 has been granted by the FCC.
That works out great for us in Southern NH. All the MA stations are UHF and both NH stations are VHF. Glad I purchased separate VHF and UHF antennas.

/tom

We watch alot of PBS also but in this case I was wondering about WCSH in Boston. Apparently broadcasting at both 7 VHF and 44 UHF at the moment.

Still working on the new antenna array here in Stratham. Got my Winegard 1713 (for WMUR) yesterday.
I am confused. WCSH-TV 6 is based in Portland, ME and operates on RF44. WHDH 7 operates on RF42 and on the soon to be gone RF7. I would think WCSH is too far away from Boston to get a signal.

We watch alot of PBS also but in this case I was wondering about WCSH in Boston. Apparently broadcasting at both 7 VHF and 44 UHF at the moment.
I'm a little confused? Isn't WCSH out of Portland ME?
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1070338.html

WHDH had been scheduled to use RF7 for digital but as Tripp mentioned FCC is allowing them to stay on RF42.

Still working on the new antenna array here in Stratham. Got my Winegard 1713 (for WMUR) yesterday.
Should also be able to get WENH (RF9) and on occasion WMTW (RF8) Poland Spring ME. We are lucky that all are on the same heading so do not need to rotate the antenna.

Might get WCBB RF10 every once an a while out of Augusta ME.

Got my HDTVa, and I am now pulling WBPX and WUNI in addition to those listed before. The others are now all 100%, whereas they were in 80s-90s before.

Any one in the Seacoast picking up 44? If so what kind of array? What kind of issues/signal strength?

Any updates on ION bankruptcy BTW?

Thanks in advance.

Comes in Kingston,NH in the 80's, signal strength. 4 bay uhf channelmaster either 4228 or 4222? with preamp.

Here's the final list as to what I'm getting with the Terk HDTVa from Barrington, RI as of now.

2.1 WGBH-HD
2.2 WGBH-SD
4.1 WBZ-TV
5.1 WCVB
6.1 WLNE
7.1 WHDH
7.2 This TV
10.1 WJAR
10.2 RTV
12.1 WPRI
25.1 WFXT
27.1 WUNI
27.2 LATV
28.1 WLWC
36.1 WSBE
36.2 PBS Learn
38.1 WSBK
44.1 WGBX
44.2 PBS World
44.3 PBS Create
44.4 PBS Kids
46.1 WWDP
56.1 WLVI
62.1 WMFP
64.1 WNAC
64.2 MyTVRI (launches 9/28)
66.1 WUTF
68.1 WBPX
68.2 qubo
68.3 ION Life
68.4 Worship
69.1 WPXQ
69.2 qubo
69.3 ION Life
69.4 Worship

That's 20 channels, and 35 with subchannels included off of an attic antenna. This thing is pretty good. I now get 6 more channels than before.

we'll see how uhf does when the trees go bare

Hi, I live in brighton and a rather strange occurence is happeing.

I generally don't watch much TV beyond the Simpsons and House... so I tried a few different antenna combinations... Rabbit Ears w/ Loop, Terk Omni Directional and even a C1 (All Indoor, landlord will not allow outside fixtures)

Anyhow according to both antennaweb and tvfool CW and FOX are about the same location.

I get perfect reception of CW in fact... I can't not get CW wheras every other channel is spotty, except I have not gotten FOX in at all.

Am I doing something wrong? I don't want to deal with comcast just to get FOX, but I can't get a directional outdoor antenna either?

Or is Fox's information on tvfool and antennaweb wrong?

CW (WLVI-DT) and FOX (WFXT-DT) are in fact both on the Candelabra tower in Needham. Antennaweb and tvfool are correct.

bloodycelt, you explain a lot in your post but left out the most important piece of information: Where are you located?

You could be receiving interference from WTIC in Hartford.

- Trip

Trip, I believe he is in Brighton, MA. WTIC is far from there ...

bloodycelt, FOX and CW are on the same tower indeed, unless you are getting your CW from WLWC (New Bedford, MA) which is technically also possible, although WLVI should come much stronger of course ....

It's weird... I was finally able to get fox... still weakest channel and WLVI is currently the strongest, by lodging the antenna in the bars outside my window. This would be the C1 convertable (it says it can be outdoors). My assumption on the why is that the bars were interfering and since the loop is outside them they now act as a rather large reflector.

Trip, I believe he is in Brighton, MA. WTIC is far from there ...


Brighton is part of Boston, so he's like 7 miles from the transmitter in Needham.
So yes, he must be doing something wrong not to be able to pick up Fox 25 (UHF 31) with an indoor antenna...

Trip, I believe he is in Brighton, MA. WTIC is far from there ...

Wow, I just reread his post four times before I found the word "Brighton" in it. My fault. :)

I would almost wonder if it's a multipath problem at that distance.

- Trip

44 is 24x7 in Amherst-mac via a vintage Y2K ATSC chipset. no dropouts except in huge storms/wind.
lately i've been able to receive/view portland maine 28.1... sometimes it's rock solid apparently via the back of the yagi.
also 10.1/WJAR providence a few times, amazingly solid.
7.1 & 42.1 remain nonexistent via OTA since the "transition".

WCVB NewsCenter 5 has gotten new graphics and music for their Eyeopener morning newscast.
hbwt-JGNTn0

What do you think about this?

I think it's unique for a Hearst station.

Lastly, what is this music? Is it a theme, or just generic production music?

44 is 24x7 in Amherst-mac via a vintage Y2K ATSC chipset. no dropouts except in huge storms/wind.
lately i've been able to receive/view portland maine 28.1... sometimes it's rock solid apparently via the back of the yagi.
also 10.1/WJAR providence a few times, amazingly solid.
7.1 & 42.1 remain nonexistent via OTA since the "transition".

I have a Samsung SIR-T151, which has worked well to pick up a few OTA HD channels including FOX25, CW56, and NBC 7, but over the past few months, we've lost NBC 7 even though the signal is still strong. Does someone know what the problem is? Does it have to do with our HD converter box?

Hi All,

Anybody else seen signal dropouts and degradations in this last week? I was at my mother's last Friday night (in Foxboro) and she was complaining about not being able to watch TV at night. The same stations she tapes during the day don't have a problem then. We sat down and watched on channel 38.1 starting at around 9:30 PM. At about 10:00, the signal started to degrade. Before the problem began, it was in the 70-90% range. Once the problem started, the signal dropped to 20-40%. When it drops, it would stay low for several minutes, then recover and repeat within a few minutes at most. Checking other channels, we noticed the same behavoir on channels, 4.1, 6.1, 7.* (both the VHF and UHF frequencies), 10.*, 12.1, 44.*, 56.1, and 64.*. Stations unaffected were 2.*, 5.1, 25.1, and 68.*. This problem continued its cycle until after 11:00, when we stopped watching. The time seems to vary, since she's seen the problem as early as 8:00 PM. She uses an indoor antenna from Radio Shack, item # 15-1892. We tried 2 different tuners and both showed the same problem. The only cause I can think of is interference from something, given the wide range of frequencies affected and the very different transmission locations. Anybody else seen these problems? Any ideas?

I have no problem getting the Boston stations day or night from here in Rhode Island...

xephalon:
Indeed, WHDH-DT continues to be "disappeared" for a significant percentage of their OTA [ex] audience.

lhall: atmospheric-conditions aka "weather" can account for the varying signal strength you are observing. oh, the wind and the rain...

xephalon:

lhall: atmospheric-conditions aka "weather" can account for the varying signal strength you are observing. oh, the wind and the rain...

Thanks tveli. There was no wind or rain there on Friday night and there wasn't any weather on all the nights she's been seeing problems. This is a new situation as of last week.

bg02445: I also get my TV OTA and don't see these problems but I'm in a very different location (Westford, MA). Her problem spans both Boston and Providence stations. Thanks for the data point.

xephalon:
Indeed, WHDH-DT continues to be "disappeared" for a significant percentage of their OTA [ex] audience.
WHDH (RF42) is fine for us here in Southern NH. Glad they choose to stay on UHF. Haven't checked if they are still transmitting on RF7

Our problem stations are WSBK (RF39) and WGBX (RF43).

xephalon:
Indeed, WHDH-DT continues to be "disappeared" for a significant percentage of their OTA [ex] audience.

lhall: atmospheric-conditions aka "weather" can account for the varying signal strength you are observing. oh, the wind and the rain...

October, with it's earlier nightfall, often has a significant uptick in UFO activity.
Many of the mother-ships are as big as a football field and can cause horrendous multi-path problems, even from miles away.
Sadly, not much can be done about this...
:)

Last call.
I am ordering some round 1/4" wall thickness x 8' length fiberglass mast sections from Max Gain (http://www.mgs4u.com/fiberglass-push-up-mast.htm), today! Save on tax and shipping by joining with me on an order and picking up at my house. New installation (one UHF 4 bay and one 1713 rotor mounted) happening in the next 7-10 days. Will post info on installation soon.

Doug in Stratham, NH

Love the oak trees, hate the oak trees

Check that..... I am ordering some 1/4" wall and some 1/8" wall so that I can use a "Quik clamp" assembly to join the lower mast (braced to the gable end wall) to the upper mast (projecting above the roof-line). The other section of 1.75", 1/4" wall will be clamped into the rotor (for the hi-band vhf 1713) which is to be mounted on to a steel "J"mount lagged into reinforced roof deck.
Wish me luck
BTW I just spoke to the owner of Max Gain (http://www.mgs4u.com/index.html). The shipping up here for one of these 8' long boxes is $36 no matter how much tubing is crammed into his standard 8' long shipping container.
So if three or four people go in on an order the shipping costs are quite reasonable.

I just placed an order - just couldn't wait to deploy the new array.

Wish me luck. Negotiating for a 60' cherry picker for Saturday.

Doug

Going surfing...

Wish me luck. Negotiating for a 60' cherry picker for Saturday.
Hope it works out.

Fiberglass looks like a good solution. My antenna is about 30' AGL would love to get it up a little higher to clear trees. It is Gable mounted and I have no way to guy it.

Broadband noise, do you have a amplifier on your antenna setup?
It's very possible something went south in the amplifier causing broadband noise.

Try running without the Amplifier. In Foxboro you should be able to get everyone local in Boston without any amp. (Unplug the antenna from the wall.)

I can receive 2, 4, 5 and 25 here in Rhode Island without any amplification.
(I need it for 7, 44, and 56 however).

Hope it works out.

Fiberglass looks like a good solution. My antenna is about 30' AGL would love to get it up a little higher to clear trees. It is Gable mounted and I have no way to guy it.

Yeah. I'm working with the same gable mounted limits. Plus I do not want to clutter the roof or building profile with any more stuff than necessary. I am going to start with a 6-7' section above the highest bracket which will be tucked in very close to the roofline/eave. Talking with the owner of Max Gain I got the feeling that say 12-14' without support would be too much (lever action at the bracket) but 6-8' should be OK. I was thinking that if I wanted to go higher I could add two roof braces at 90 degrees to each other just a bit higher up the mast but still below roofline. I am mounting on the back pitch of the rake, away from the street - trying to keep the view of the roof ridge uncluttered from the street.

Talking with the owner of Max Gain I got the feeling that say 12-14' without support would be too much (lever action at the bracket) but 6-8' should be OK.
I made our mast out of two lengths of 1-1/4 EMT (1.510" OD). Upper section is 8' long, lower 7' with an 18" overlap at rotor/thrust bearing. There is about 11 feet of mast above gable mount. New mast is 3' higher then old antenna. That one lasted 20 years with two 5' Radio Shack mast sections. I toggle bolted the wall bracket rather then using lag screws, figured that would be stronger.

Debated going higher, but like you, though it would make antenna too vlunerable to ice and wind.

Thanks for sharing T Schmidt.... I may be able to go higher. Once I have the materials in hand and the UHF 4 bay mounted I may push a bit higher. I have 16' to work with but if I keep the joint below the top bracket, that will limit the exposed (unsupported section) to about 7'. I will actually have a bit more elevation off the VHF 1713, which will be on a 6' section clamped to the rotor which in turn ismounted on a 34" J pole lagged (or thru bolted?!) to the roof deck.

How is the digital reception on Cape Cod? Specifically in areas like Hyannis, Chatham, Provincetown, Nantucket, and Martha's Vineyard? What channels in the Boston and Providence market are available and with what equipment? At over 50+ miles from both the Boston and Providence area, I would suspect that it's tougher getting those TV stations OTA.

Mast sections arrived yesterday. Now it's just a matter of staging all the parts and pieces and getting a date firmed up with the bucket truck. Price agreed upon today. My company is exploring a partnership with a tree service for Saturday installs of HD antennas
to our local customer base (Rockingham, Strafford {nh} and southern York {Me} counties).
I will post photos but I need some suggestion as to the most efficient way and best site for sharing photos with other AVS forum members. I do not currently maintain a blog or website, guess I could use my facebook page for now,huh?

Noticed that for the past week or so, Wheel and Jeopardy have had that 'scratchy/compressed' voice thing going on again - I know its going to move from TV38 over to WBZ shortly, but its still annoying with with scratchy audio!

Noticed that for the past week or so, Wheel and Jeopardy have had that 'scratchy/compressed' voice thing going on again - I know its going to move from TV38 over to WBZ shortly, but its still annoying with with scratchy audio!

For about the same amount of time I've been having a lot of dropout and freezing on WBZ 4 (also lost TV Guide data). All of the other stations have been fine.

Quick newbie question - I live in Medford in an apartment, so I can't get an outdoor antenna. I just bought a GE Quantum amplified antenna, and I get the following channels:

2.1 WGBHDT
2.2 WGBHHD
4.1 WBZHD
5.1 WCVBDT
7.1 WHDHHD
7.2 THISTV
25.1 WFXT
38.1 WSBKHD (Weak signal)
44.1 WGBX-DT
44.2 WGBXW
44.3 WGBXC
44.4 WGBXK
56.1 WLVIHD
62.1 WMFP
68.1 ION HD
68.2 qubo
68.3 IONL
68.4 WRSHP

I have 90 days to return the antenna, so I want to know: Is this all the channels I can reasonably expect to get with an indoor antenna?

Thanks!

I live in Burlington... that's pretty-much what I get.

Quick newbie question - I live in Medford in an apartment, so I can't get an outdoor antenna. I just bought a GE Quantum amplified antenna, and I get the following channels:

2.1 WGBHDT
2.2 WGBHHD
4.1 WBZHD
5.1 WCVBDT
7.1 WHDHHD
7.2 THISTV
25.1 WFXT
38.1 WSBKHD (Weak signal)
44.1 WGBX-DT
44.2 WGBXW
44.3 WGBXC
44.4 WGBXK
56.1 WLVIHD
62.1 WMFP
68.1 ION HD
68.2 qubo
68.3 IONL
68.4 WRSHP

I have 90 days to return the antenna, so I want to know: Is this all the channels I can reasonably expect to get with an indoor antenna?

Thanks!

If you are getting that much with an indoor antenna, I'd say you are lucky. Keep the antenna....it is doing it's thing correctly.

Great, thanks bicker1 and BillBibeau! I'll keep the antenna.

I record Jeopardy and tend to watch a week's worth in one night. I was checking my "To Do List' on my DVR and was surprised to see nothing scheduled for Jeopardy next week. Then I looked at the schedule, and Jeopardy was not on channel 38. The horror! I thought I might have to start recording it from WPRI and was relieved to see the crawl at the bottom of the screen starting with Monday's show that next week it is moving to WBZ.

So, Bob Yankowitz, I'm just curious, but what's the reason for the move???? And why is Friday night's show going to be on Saturday???


SMK

I record Jeopardy and tend to watch a week's worth in one night. I was checking my "To Do List' on my DVR and was surprised to see nothing scheduled for Jeopardy next week. Then I looked at the schedule, and Jeopardy was not on channel 38. The horror! I thought I might have to start recording it from WPRI and was relieved to see the crawl at the bottom of the screen starting with Monday's show that next week it is moving to WBZ.

So, Bob Yankowitz, I'm just curious, but what's the reason for the move???? And why is Friday night's show going to be on Saturday???


SMK
Go here for the story: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/356868-CBS_Boston_Duop_Swaps_Shows.php

I'm not sure about your Friday-Saturday question.

I record Jeopardy and tend to watch a week's worth in one night. I was checking my "To Do List' on my DVR and was surprised to see nothing scheduled for Jeopardy next week. Then I looked at the schedule, and Jeopardy was not on channel 38. The horror! I thought I might have to start recording it from WPRI and was relieved to see the crawl at the bottom of the screen starting with Monday's show that next week it is moving to WBZ.

So, Bob Yankowitz, I'm just curious, but what's the reason for the move???? And why is Friday night's show going to be on Saturday???


SMK

Isn't Friday on WBZ when Patriots All-Access is?

Yes Patriots All Access airs Friday evenings.

xephalon:
Indeed, WHDH-DT continues to be "disappeared" for a significant percentage of their OTA [ex] audience.

I'm having issues receiving WHDH-DT here in Merrimack, NH. Some nights it's not an issue, other nights (like yesterday), I get nothing.

I use an attic-mounted Clearstream C4 with a CM7777 preamp. 2 TV's are connected to CM7000 converter boxes, the 3rd is connected to an HDHomerun which I use as the tuner for my Windows7 based HTPC.

WHDH is never an issue with my converter boxes, but often is a problem with my HTPC. Media Center tells me that the signal level is too weak when I tune to WHDH, but yet when I look at the signal strength meter, it's the full 5 bars.

Considering that things are fine using my converter boxes, I'm investigating the HDhomerun and Media Center, but I do find it odd that the issue only exists with WHDH.

thanks for posting your observations, bob... possibly your data indicates the issue is related to whichever "ATSC chipset generation" is in the hdhomerun compared to the CM7000s? I'm a a stone's throw from Merrimack and all 3 of these ATSC receivers almost never can pick up WHDH but do fine with the other stations.
- Sony 34XBR2 (~2001)
- Zenith HDR230 (~2002)
- Pinnacle USB HD tuner (model 501, ~2008) .

I am about 45 miles due south/ south-west of the Newton Needham tower complex.

I get WHDH just fine where I am. The only four stations I can't receive here are WSBK-DT (39), WBPX-DT (34), WMFP-DT (18), WYDN-DT (47).

WHDH back on VHF 7 was a problem. 42 was fine.

I am about 45 miles due south/ south-west of the Newton Needham tower complex.

I get WHDH just fine where I am. The only four stations I can't receive here are WSBK-DT (39), WBPX-DT (34), WMFP-DT (18), WYDN-DT (47).

WHDH back on VHF 7 was a problem. 42 was fine.
Hi. I'm on the Pawtucket - East Providence line and can get WSBK, WYDN, WBPX, and WMFP fine, but it can be tricky at times. I am using the Antennas Direct DB4 antenna with a Channel Master amplifier and the antenna is installed in my attic. To get the stations I had to move my antenna slightly and find a "sweet spot" in the attic. WSBK is the easiest of the stations to receive, WBPX is a bit tougher - and WYDN and WMFP weaker and very directional, but it is possible to receive those stations.

WENH's signal from Durham NH has gotten weaker for me up here in bradford

Quick newbie question - I live in Medford in an apartment, so I can't get an outdoor antenna. I just bought a GE Quantum amplified antenna, and I get the following channels:

2.1 WGBHDT
2.2 WGBHHD
4.1 WBZHD
5.1 WCVBDT
7.1 WHDHHD
7.2 THISTV
25.1 WFXT
38.1 WSBKHD (Weak signal)
44.1 WGBX-DT
44.2 WGBXW
44.3 WGBXC
44.4 WGBXK
56.1 WLVIHD
62.1 WMFP
68.1 ION HD
68.2 qubo
68.3 IONL
68.4 WRSHP

I have 90 days to return the antenna, so I want to know: Is this all the channels I can reasonably expect to get with an indoor antenna?

Thanks!

That seems like a pretty good yield. I live on the South Shore and use a Terk Antenna Pro. I get the above plus 6, 10, 12, 27, 28, 47, 64, 66. These include Providence and New Bedford. You might try changing to antenna orientation to see if you can pick up any of the New Hampshire stations.

Anybody know what the "Brainiacs" over at WBZ programming did with Friday's Jeopardy episodes?

I got a Jeopardy recorded on Saturday, and it was a repeat like they used to show on Saturdays over on TV38. There was no new episode.
I have looked at this Friday, and there is no Jeopardy scheduled to record on Friday again, and Saturdays is another old repeat episode again.

thanks

Buz

Skip is pretty good here in Seacoast NH. I'm gettting WPRI out of Providence, RI loud and clear. It's 80.9 miles as the crow flies.

Originally Posted by waverider View Post
We watch alot of PBS also but in this case I was wondering about WCSH in Boston. Apparently broadcasting at both 7 VHF and 44 UHF at the moment.

Still working on the new antenna array here in Stratham. Got my Winegard 1713 (for WMUR) yesterday.

Wow. It took me 7 weeks to notice my mistake on this one. My question should have been (in part) "I was wondering about WHDH in Boston. Apparently broadcasting at both 7 VHF and 44 UHF at the moment...." It's WHDH not WCSH that I hope to be able to receive. From my part of Stratham, WCSH (Portland) is a actually a pretty clear shot which we were able to recieve (though signal was weak) without amplification just fishing out the window with a 4 bay UHF. WHDH Boston is a whole other matter. I kind of doubted that reception of their VHF broadcast would be possible this far north and east, but now they are also broadcasting on a UHF frequency from what I read here. Is that correct? How about Milford and Kingston (Herb?) are you getting WHDH.
Finally I have a date with the bucket truck operator so this Thursday is installation day for the new antenna array. I'll keep you posted....

[QUOTE=waverider;17426508]Apparently broadcasting at both 7 VHF and 44 UHF at the moment...."[/I]

Uuummm. Boy did I get that all twisted around. WHDH is at 42 UHF and I think I read that Bob in Milford NH is receiving it without issue. Anyone else in NH closer to the Concord/Portsmouth line getting WHDH broadcasts on 42?

[QUOTE=waverider;17426508]Apparently broadcasting at both 7 VHF and 44 UHF at the moment...."[/I]

Uuummm. Boy did I get that all twisted around. WHDH is at 42 UHF and I think I read that Bob in Milford NH is receiving it without issue. Anyone else in NH closer to the Concord/Portsmouth line getting WHDH broadcasts on 42?
I'm in Manchester on the Hooksett line and have no trouble w/either 7 or 42. I have a roof mount antenna.

Thanks nheagle. Got some elevation up on one of those stony prominences around Hooksett? I'll know more on Thursday about this location.

Anybody know what the "Brainiacs" over at WBZ programming did with Friday's Jeopardy episodes?

I got a Jeopardy recorded on Saturday, and it was a repeat like they used to show on Saturdays over on TV38. There was no new episode.
I have looked at this Friday, and there is no Jeopardy scheduled to record on Friday again, and Saturdays is another old repeat episode again.

thanks

Buz

Found this on the Sony Pictures Jeopardy forum(http://boards.sonypictures.com/boards/showthread.php?p=797803):
The Saturday Jeopardy is not the Friday episode, it is the different weekend episode schedule by the distributor. I am working on getting permission from the distributor to air the Friday shows on Saturday in place of the weekend repeats. At this time, the station has not received permission yet to do that.
Sincerely,
Christine Ferrara
Program Director
WBZ-TV/WSBK-TV

Thanks nheagle. Got some elevation up on one of those stony prominences around Hooksett? I'll know more on Thursday about this location.
I'm about 300' above sea level, so yes elevation is everything w/dtv and a rotor. Good luck thursday let us know how you make out.

Waverider,
I get WHDH 7.1 and 7.2 on both VHF and UHF. Rain/wind does cause dropout sometimes.

Thursday's the day.... sent you a P.M.

Now that trees are beginning to shed leaves WGBX (RF43) is almost watchable some of the time. Had not received it all summer. WSBK (RF39) is still a no show.

Looks like we need a fair amount of additional gain or a lot more height. Neither are going to be easy to obtain. I don't want to cut down any of the nearby trees.

/tom

I hope WHDH will reappear for me during winter weather like it has in previous winters.
I live in a river valley shire in southern New Hamp.
I might have read once that the WHDH xmitter antenna occupies a lower position on the tower than the other stations' xmitter antennas.. maybe that has a significant effect on receivability at my location.

I might have read once that the WHDH xmitter antenna occupies a lower position on the tower than the other stations' xmitter antennas..

Great site with pictures of Boston area transmitters. Here is WHDH:
http://www.necrat.us/whdh_protv.html

Great site with pictures of Boston area transmitters. Here is WHDH:
http://www.necrat.us/whdh_protv.html

This is a wonderful thing about the Web: even people with major obsessions like that one are allowed to flourish...

Anyone else in NH closer to the Concord/Portsmouth line getting WHDH broadcasts on 42?

Waverider, I'm in Barrington, north of you, and pick up WHDH-7 on ch 42 very nicely. I have a CM 4228 UHF aimed for Boston and a Winegard 7-13 yagi aimed for WMUR-9, it also picks up WENH-11 which is so close I could get it with a coat hanger.

The UHF feeds an old CATV UHF pre-amp made by a company called Q-Bit. No longer made. The VHF side feeds a Electroline CATV drop amp and it is all combined with a U/V passive combiner. The signal is then split 4 ways.

The UHF antenna is on the roof, at the top of 15 feet of mast, the roof is 25 feet above ground. I live on a hill top that is 267 feet above sea level according to Google Earth.

Good luck with your endevors, Mallego

Thanks for the info on your rig, sounds quite similar to what we are about to deploy. Wish, like you I was on top of the hill, in this case Stratham hill (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=9+Lovell+st,+Stratham+NH&sll=43.034204,-70.880527&sspn=0.014336,0.020728&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=9+Lovell+St,+Stratham,+Rockingham,+New+Hampshire+03885&ll=43.037121,-70.8816&spn=0.014335,0.020728&t=p&z=15) (292') instead of on the Southeast flank (155'). Elevation is everything. I am going to cheat as high as I possibly can above the roof peak. Should be interesting.

WNEU coming in at 100% solid for me right now. Too bad it's a spanish channel.

I think my elevation is 88', and I'm behind the hill that Scammon's farm is on! I have noticed a significant increase in the the signal strength of Boston stations as the foliage has been dropping off, as one would expect. This allowed me to view Waking the Dead on CH 44 (WGBX) during a rain event.

Yeah but you look right down the Squamscott valley to the south otherwise how do get WHDH and PBS Boston? Not fair!!!:rolleyes:
Got the array up today... barely. Got to find a place to post photos. Way cool to have a bucket truck.
No 7, 42 or 44 :( Talk about your hills. Stratham hill points like an arrow to the west from my location. It's "summit" is 292' we are at 155; antennas approximately 180', The eastern flank of the hill rises from across the street from our front door and is carpeted with 60' tall red oak and white pine... 1/2 mile up the ridge to the top. Then one mile due south is Long Hill, oriented east west around 220' summit, also heavily wooded. That's got to be our Boston problem. The 4 Bay is oriented to face about 190 degrees, just west of south; the 1713 Yagi is facing due north/south. Have not connected the rotor controller yet..... Ch 5 is in/and out; WMUR9 and WENH 11 and Ch 8 are OK. Ion is there but weak; Feeback on orientation of UHF antenna would be welcome. Think I'm going see how things change as the leaves drop. Already planning on an 8 Bay and more elevation.
BTW the Max Gain fiberglass nesting mast 8' sections worked out great! The UHF mast is 16' with 8' above the peak. The lower section is 2 1/2" OD with a 2" section above clamped together with a handy little device they call a quick clamp. Everything good and the gable end mounted mast is very solid but we did make a run for larger U bolts to accommodate the 2 1/2" diameter of lower mast section to the wall brackets.
What is a good and easy to upload to site to post photos?

Waverider, I'm in Barrington, north of you, and pick up WHDH-7 on ch 42 very nicely. I have a CM 4228 UHF aimed for Boston

Should have gone 8 Bay I guess... I am not on a hilltop, but I'm not in a ditch either. Just so happens the terrain is hilly with elevation based obstructions to the south.

I am going to tweak a bit (upgrade the distribution amp in basement maybe) and try another tuner (Tivo tuner may be a bit better???).

Oh well....

Will post a channel list, pictures etc... this weekend.

Waverider, a PM sent. Mallego

Removing the drop amp in the basement resulted in added channel (perhaps as the result of lower noise and higher "net" signal).

Great site with pictures of Boston area transmitters. Here is WHDH:
http://www.necrat.us/whdh_protv.html

Thank you very much. I've put a lot of hard work and effort into it.
I appreciate the kind words.

--Mike

I've put a lot of hard work and effort into it.

After putting a lot of effort into upgrading our OTA antenna last year it is nice being able to see what it at the other end. Hadn't though about it much before.

After putting a lot of effort into upgrading our OTA antenna last year it is nice being able to see what it at the other end. Hadn't though about it much before.

Actually I meant the website. I don't work at WHDH, but I know Doug and Brian both have done a lot of work there. I believe the old analog Larcan is now gone (physically removed).

Actually I meant the website. .
I meant your website, sorry if I wasn't clear. If it was not for your efforts I'd have no idea what was on the other end of my antenna.

/tom

Wow. It took me 7 weeks to notice my mistake on this one. My question should have been (in part) "I was wondering about WHDH in Boston. Apparently broadcasting at both 7 VHF and 44 UHF at the moment...." It's WHDH not WCSH that I hope to be able to receive. From my part of Stratham, WCSH (Portland) is a actually a pretty clear shot which we were able to recieve (though signal was weak) without amplification just fishing out the window with a 4 bay UHF. WHDH Boston is a whole other matter. I kind of doubted that reception of their VHF broadcast would be possible this far north and east, but now they are also broadcasting on a UHF frequency from what I read here. Is that correct? How about Milford and Kingston (Herb?) are you getting WHDH.
Finally I have a date with the bucket truck operator so this Thursday is installation day for the new antenna array. I'll keep you posted....

Doug, I get WHDH on 42 very strong signal in the 90's. I get all the Boston stations without any major problems, Herb.

Hey, I was thinking about getting an HD Antenna down here in Bristol County so I can pick up the Boston channels in HD. However, since I'm not exactly near Needham (I'm in Attleboro, as you can see), does that mean setting up this antenna will have to be a science project, ie: mounting it on the roof and all that fun crap?

You shouldn't have much trouble:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=157172&stc=1&d=1257358492

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d8adfe4344fe747

You're only 27 miles away, and you have line-of-sight for everything, unless you're behind a big hill there in Attleboro.

Wow, this other site I used kind of gave me way different results, saying I needed a code red antenna (which is pretty strong) and required roof mounting.

So does that mean I could just set it up next to my cable box, facing northward?

You can have this antenna connected to your cable box so you can have your current HD channels along with the ones you're picking up via antenna, right?

My other concern is that no virtual channel is displayed for WFXT or WHDH. WFXT is known as FOX 25, yet is channel 22 in my area. Would the HD channel show up as 22, 25, 822, or 825, unless the 8XX channels are from Comcast?

You can have this antenna connected to your cable box so you can have your current HD channels along with the ones you're picking up via antenna, right?Just connect the antenna to the Antenna In port on your television.

My other concern is that no virtual channel is displayed for WFXT or WHDH. WFXT is known as FOX 25, yet is channel 22 in my area. Would the HD channel show up as 22, 25, 822, or 825, unless the 8XX channels are from Comcast?On your television, you'd tune into Fox using 25.1, and WHDH using 7.1.

Hey, I was thinking about getting an HD Antenna down here in Bristol County so I can pick up the Boston channels in HD. However, since I'm not exactly near Needham (I'm in Attleboro, as you can see), does that mean setting up this antenna will have to be a science project, ie: mounting it on the roof and all that fun crap?

Yeah, you should have no problem. Here in Bristol County, RI, I get almost all of them with an attic mounted Terk HDTVa. Even before, I got the basic major affiliates with decent signal quality off second floor rabbit ears.

You should be able to get the following with a regular indoor antenna...

64.1 WNAC (FOX HD/Providence)
64.2 WNAC (MyNetworkTV/Providence)
12.1 WPRI (CBS HD/Providence)
10.1 WJAR (NBC HD/Providence)
10.2 WJAR (RTV/Providence)
6.1 WLNE (ABC HD/Providence)
4.1 WBZ (CBS HD/Boston)
2.1 WGBH (PBS HD/Boston)
5.1 WCVB (ABC HD/Boston)
28.1 WLWC (CW HD/Providence)
46.1 WWDP (ShopNBC/Boston)
44.1 WGBX (PBS SD/Boston)
44.2 WGBX (PBS World/Boston)
44.3 WGBX (PBS Create/Boston)
44.4 WGBX (PBS Kids/Boston)
7.1 WHDH (NBC HD/Boston)
7.2 WHDH (This TV/Boston)
56.1 WLVI (CW HD/Boston)
66.1 WUTF (Telefutura/Boston)
38.1 WSBK (Independent HD/Boston)
68.1 WBPX (ION HD/Boston)
68.2 WBPX (Qubo/Boston)
68.3 WBPX (ION Life/Boston)
68.4 WBPX (Worship/Boston)
25.1 WFXT (FOX HD/Boston)
62.1 WMFP (RTV/Boston)
69.1 WPXQ (ION/Providence)
69.2 WPXQ (Qubo/Providence)
69.3 (ION Life/Providence)
69.4 (Worship/Providence)

And if you do put it in the attic:

27.1 WUNI (Univision/Boston)
27.2 WUNI (LATV/Boston)
48.1 WYDN (Daystar/Boston)
50.1 WRIW (Telemundo/Providence)

And on the roof:

38.1 WHDN (Independent HD/Boston)
58.1 WDPX (ION/Martha's Vineyard)
58.2 WDPX (Qubo/Martha's Vineyard)
58.3 WDPX (ION Life/Martha's Vineyard)
58.4 WDPX (Worship/Martha's Vineyard)

And depending on your location...(with roof mounted)

24 WFXZ Analog (Azteca America/Boston)
26.1 WHPX (ION/Hartford)
26.2 (Qubo/Hartford)
26.3 (ION Life/Hartford)
26.4 (Worship/Hartford)
53.1 WEDH (PBS/Norwich, CT)
53.2 WEDH (PBS Create/Norwich)
53.3 WEDH (PBS Kids/Norwich)

Good luck.

sonic, probably you already verified,
but are you sure your TV has an ATSC tuner built-in?
(Also just for yucks you might want to try a $5 "UHF loop" antenna.)

sonic, probably you already verified,
but are you sure your TV has an ATSC tuner built-in?
(Also just for yucks you might want to try a $5 "UHF loop" antenna.)

I don't think I have one, as I have no experience with OTA stuff.

On your television, you'd tune into Fox using 25.1, and WHDH using 7.1.

So when I have the antenna plugged in, those would just mean 25 and 7 without the decimals right? Also, channel 25 on cable here is Nick, so would WFXT "replace" Nick when the Antenna is plugged in?

So when I have the antenna plugged in, those would just mean 25 and 7 without the decimals right?No. 25.1 and 7.1, with the decimals. If your television doesn't have an ATSC tuner (i.e., capable of tuning in over-the-air digital television channels), then you'll need an external tuner, and connect that to your television.

Your over-the-air antenna (or external ATSC tuner) and your cable connection will be connected to your television via separate inputs, so you'd switch inputs to switch between watching over-the-air television and watching cable.

No. 25.1 and 7.1, with the decimals. If your television doesn't have an ATSC tuner (i.e., capable of tuning in over-the-air digital television channels), then you'll need an external tuner, and connect that to your television.

Your over-the-air antenna (or external ATSC tuner) and your cable connection will be connected to your television via separate inputs, so you'd switch inputs to switch between watching over-the-air television and watching cable.

Alright, thanks for clearing up the latter issue.

Now for the ATSC Tuner. Don't some TVs have them integrated? If so, how can I find out if I have one or not?

Now for the ATSC Tuner. Don't some TVs have them integrated? If so, how can I find out if I have one or not?
Check the manual for the TV, post the brand and model here, etc.

Alright, I have a Sony BRAVIA TV and I looked around for the model number online and narrowed it down to these:

KDLV26XBR1
KDLV32XBR1
KDLV40XBR1

I checked out the CNET specs and none of them said ATSC or anything, but other overviews did. Anyone wanna help me on this?

Alright, I have a Sony BRAVIA TV and I looked around for the model number online and narrowed it down to these:

KDLV26XBR1
KDLV32XBR1
KDLV40XBR1

I checked out the CNET specs and none of them said ATSC or anything, but other overviews did. Anyone wanna help me on this?From Sony's website:
TV System

* Tuner (Cable) : Clear QAM
* Tuner (Terrestrial) : 8 VBS, ATSC, NTSC



This is actually a better television for what you're trying to do than you may know:
Inputs and Outputs

* Analog Audio Input(s) (Total) : 6 (1 Front/5 Rear)
* Audio Out : 1 (Rear)
* CableCARD™ Slot(s) : 1 (Rear)
* Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr) Input(s) : 3 (1 Front/2 Rear) 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
* Composite Video Input(s) : 3 (1 Front/2 Rear)
* HDMI™ Connection(s) : 1 (Rear) with Audio Input
* Headphone Output(s) : 1 (Front)
* Optical Audio Digital Output(s) : 1 (Rear) Dolby® Digital
* PC Audio Input(s) : 1 (Rear)
* PC Video Input(s) : 1 (Rear)
* RF Connection Input(s) : 2 (Rear)
* S-Video Input(s) : 1 (Rear)

So, you can use one RF connection for cable, one RF connection for antenna, and via CableCARD, you can do without the cable box (as long as you don't care about On Demand, Pay Per View, or Music Choice).

From Sony's website:


This is actually a better television for what you're trying to do than you may know:
So, you can use one RF connection for cable, one RF connection for antenna, and via CableCARD, you can do without the cable box (as long as you don't care about On Demand, Pay Per View, or Music Choice).

Awesome, thanks a lot. I'll see what I do in the future, unless Comcast wants to play nice guy soon. :P

One last question before I head out antenna-hunting today: What input does an HD antenna usually use? Is it coaxial? I'm in serious trouble if I have to unmount the TV to connect the antenna.

There is really no such thing as an "HD antenna" -- there are VHF antennas, UHF antennas, and hybrid VHF/UHF antennas. If you just care about Boston channels, then a UHF antenna will be good enough. If you also want to tune in Providence channels you might need the hybrid, though many UHF antennas can still tune in the upper-end of VHF (7-13), and that's where a few of the Providence channels are (with the rest in UHF). Personally, I found that my hybrid didn't help me pull in WHDH-DT VHF7 (back when that's where it was) without the VHF antennas expanded.

Anyway, to answer your basic question, yes, RF coaxial.

Uh oh.

I don't remember the exact setup of the TV, but I sure hope Sony was considerate enough to stick one coaxial on the side of the TV. But none of these websites are considerate enough to show me side shots of the TV, which I was used to seeing with computer hardware on Newegg.

Since I know little about TV terminology, UHF is what, a directional antenna that you need to point?

So when I have the antenna plugged in, those would just mean 25 and 7 without the decimals right? Also, channel 25 on cable here is Nick, so would WFXT "replace" Nick when the Antenna is plugged in?
Digital channel numbers are virtual, meaning they no longer represent RF channel. Reason for virtual channels is a lot of stations have created brand loyalty to the old analog channel number. For example WGBH in Boston markets Channel 2. That was the physical channel they used to broadcast analog. Digital is broadcast on channel 19. Digital is more efficient then analog allowing more then one program per channel. That is the reason for.1, .2, .3 subchannel numbers.

Cable uses a different technique to transmit digitally and supports many more channels then over the air. As far a I know there are no TVs that can simultaneously receive OTA and Cable channels at the same time. Tuner needs to be set for either OTA or Cable. This really is not a big deal since in many cases Cable customers will have a Cable Set-top-box to receive Cable programs.

VHF and UHF are two different chunks of spectrum used to broadcast TV. I’m in Southern NH. Both NH stations WENH and WMUR use VHF and all the Boston stations use UHF. WHDH was going to use VHF but they decided to stay on UHF. Works out well for us as we aim UHF antenna at Boston and VHF to WENH. Eliminates need for rotator to turn the antenna to the desired station.

Most TVs now a days have a single coaxial input for VHF/UHF/Cable.

If you want to learn more about using TV antennas I strongly recommend Ken Nists primer:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/erecting_antenna.html
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/

Since I know little about TV terminology, UHF is what, a directional antenna that you need to point?VHF is "very high frequency" -- television channels 2-13. UHF is "ultra high frequency" -- television channels 14 and up.

Directionality is a separate matter. In your case, if you want Boston channels, directionality would be okay, perhaps even advantageous, while if you want both Boston and Providence channels I think a directional antenna would be annoying.

As far a I know there are no tuners that can simultaneously receive OTA and Cable channels at the same time. Tuner needs to be set for either OTA or Cable.Uh..... I think you meant to type what I've changed this quote to. Your second sentence makes it clear that you intention was as indicated by my correction to your first sentence.

I don't remember the exact setup of the TV, but I sure hope Sony was considerate enough to stick one coaxial on the side of the TV. But none of these websites are considerate enough to show me side shots of the TV, which I was used to seeing with computer hardware on Newegg.Use this link: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDLV26-32-40XBR1.pdf

Page 16 shows that neither of the coaxial inputs are on the sides. You'll have to plug the antenna into the back. See Page 17, items 10 (cable) and 11 (over-the-air antenna).

I can get the Providence ones via Comcast, so I'm not all concerned about that there. And if you head down the street from my house and look down a farm, you can see the Providence transmitters in the background.

So, if UHF is 14 and up, are there antennas for both UHF and VHF? Would that mean a certain antenna wouldn't pick up WFXT, since that's 25?

And then, where is the best place for buying one of these? Best Buy? Walmart?

So, if UHF is 14 and up, are there antennas for both UHF and VHF?Yes... I mentioned hybrids, before. Also you can combine signals from a UHF antenna and VHF antenna using a diplexer.

Would that mean a certain antenna wouldn't pick up WFXT, since that's 25?Uh, check the chart I posted for you again. WFXT 25.1 is on UHF31, not UHF25. However, to answer your question, yes, there are VHF antennas that wouldn't be able to do a good job pulling in reception on any of the Boston stations:
WMFP 62.1 = UHF18
WGBH 2.1 = UHF 19
WCVB 5.1 = UHF20
WBZ 4.1 = UHF30
WFXT 25.1 = UHF31
WBPX 68.1 = UHF32
WSBK 38.1 = UHF39
WLVI 56.1 = UHF41
WHDH 7.1 = UHF42
WGBX 44.1 = UHF43
WYDN 48.1 = UHF47Essentially, after WHDH was granted permission to move back to UHF42 (from VHF7) on June 16 (made permanent on September 15), I collapsed in the dipoles of my hybrid antennas (which were mainly for VHF reception) and have relied solely on the other portion of the antennas (intended for UHF reception).

And then, where is the best place for buying one of these? Best Buy? Walmart?I got mine from Circuit City. :(

Best Buy should work. I high recommend my Terk HDTVa.

[QUOTE=Tschmidt; As far a I know there are no TVs that can simultaneously receive OTA and Cable channels at the same time. Tuner needs to be set for either OTA or Cable. ]

Don't know if this quote is correct. First my TV has currently both DirecTV and roof top antenna attached and I can watch either HD local channels from the roof top antenna or I can switch to DirecTV and watch what they offer.

Because of sound considerations I also have the roof top antenna attached to the DirecTV Tuner and when scanning the channels I have BN4 (low def feed), 4 {high def feed), and 4.1 (roof top feed). I don't have to set it for either OTA or DirecTV.

So, an UHF antenna should do just the job for me to reel in the Boston stations? I don't wanna screw this up. Should it say on the box or something?

Which antenna are you planning on purchasing? (You should decide this in advance, and not accept substitutions. You're making a purchase for purpose; not an impulse buy.)

That's where I need help. Both antennas I saw at the Best Buy near my college were multi-directional, but one was $30 and one was about $70. Should it really cost $70 to reel in Boston signals? I can't find the names on their site, but I'll head to the store later on today and tell you what the names are.

EDIT: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/TV-Video-Accessories/TV-Antennas/abcat0107004.c?id=abcat0107004

It seems like the majority of these are poorly rated, though...

Well, keep in mind that you could end up paying double at Best Buy, as compared to ordering it through, for example, Amazon.com. I just checked out the antenna I bought, and yup ... $74 at Best Buy versus $32 at Amazon.com.

However, sometimes you do okay at Best Buy. I just checked out a cheap-o antenna. About $13 at both places.

That's where I need help. Both antennas I saw at the Best Buy near my college were multi-directional, but one was $30 and one was about $70. Should it really cost $70 to reel in Boston signals? I can't find the names on their site,
It seems like the majority of these are poorly rated, though...

As mentioned earlier by bicker, I'd recommend the Trek HDTVa, you can get it from Amazon for $35

Well the reason I'm hunting at Best Buy is because of the gift cards I have there...better use them up on something.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/RCA+-+Indoor+HDTV+Antenna+-+White/8939839.p?id=1215217075905&skuId=8939839

Here's the one I found for about $30, but I haven't thought twice about buying one, I've thought about 50 times.

Still almost 20% cheaper at Amazon.com. That's a sucky customer rating, IMHO (2.9, versus 3.9 for the HDTVa). No amp, and at almost 30 miles, I think you're going to need an amp. I'd recommend against that one.

Ugh, it seems like every antenna rated on Best Buy is between a 1 and 2 out of 5...now what?

I'm not really surprised. Best Buy is really aiming its offerings at the mass-market, which is heavily motivated by the lowest price, without much regard for quality, reliability, performance, robustness, etc., all the technical characteristics that many folks here at AVS Forum concern themselves with. So Best Buy's product offerings are going to be greatly biased by those products that appeal more so to the typical mass-market consumer than the audiophile/videophile.

My recommendation: Use the Best Buy credits to buy DVDs, and buy electronic equipment from better electronics retailers, even if it means buying online.

People in the Boston Comcast topic seemed to recommend Radioshack....do you have any opinion on that?

People in the Boston Comcast topic seemed to recommend Radioshack....do you have any opinion on that?
I haven't really been following this discussion too closely - what are your requirements for the antenna other than receiving the local channels? Does it have to be a super compact indoor unit or are you able to use a larger antenna that's normally installed outdoors? If you have an attic, you can install one of those outdoor antennas up in the attic and get FAR better results than by using something like the antennas you linked to at Best Buy. Like others have said, places like Best Buy carry mostly junk for antennas and charge more for what they do sell.

Radio Shack (I guess we're going to need to start calling them "The Shack" :rolleyes: - what a stupid name IMO) would be a decent option -they still sell some decent outdoor antennas (http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032205&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189). You're unlikely to get good advice there though.

A much better option and not all that far from Attleboro would be You-Do-It Electronics in Needham - exit 19 off of Rt 128/95. Not only do they carry some good antennas but they would be able to give you far better advice than the typical Best Buy or Radio Shack employee. No offense intended, but I'm getting the impression that the advice would be a genuine benefit here.

There's also Stark Electronic (http://www.starkelectronic.com/) in Worcester. I've never been there, but have heard good things about them.

People in the Boston Comcast topic seemed to recommend Radioshack.
When we built our home I got the largest Radio Shack antenna they had and a preamp. Was not satisfied with the results and replaced it with Winegard antenna and preamp. We are in a fringe area and need high gain antenna and low noise preamp. Like other big box stores they stock middle of the road products. If that is what you need fine, but if not better off purchasing online.

Last year I redid our antenna again to get ready for Digital transition. Purchased online from: Warren Electronics, Solid Signal, and Tech Tool Supply for coax tooling.

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/
http://www.techtoolsupply.com/

I haven't really been following this discussion too closely - what are your requirements for the antenna other than receiving the local channels? Does it have to be a super compact indoor unit or are you able to use a larger antenna that's normally installed outdoors? If you have an attic, you can install one of those outdoor antennas up in the attic and get FAR better results than by using something like the antennas you linked to at Best Buy. Like others have said, places like Best Buy carry mostly junk for antennas and charge more for what they do sell.

Radio Shack (I guess we're going to need to start calling them "The Shack" :rolleyes: - what a stupid name IMO) would be a decent option -they still sell some decent outdoor antennas (http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032205&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189). You're unlikely to get good advice there though.

A much better option and not all that far from Attleboro would be You-Do-It Electronics in Needham - exit 19 off of Rt 128/95. Not only do they carry some good antennas but they would be able to give you far better advice than the typical Best Buy or Radio Shack employee. No offense intended, but I'm getting the impression that the advice would be a genuine benefit here.

There's also Stark Electronic (http://www.starkelectronic.com/) in Worcester. I've never been there, but have heard good things about them.

There was an image a few pages ago saying that the majority of the Boston channels were code green for Attleboro, meaning it should just mean a simple setup indoors...

There was an image a few pages ago saying that the majority of the Boston channels were code green for Attleboro, meaning it should just mean a simple setup indoors...
The better the antenna, the better your results will be - code green or not. There'd be no harm in getting one of those antennas from Best Buy and giving it a try. If it works - great. If not, use their generous return policy and try something else. But if you're coming here looking for a recommendation for an antenna, very few (if any) people on this forum are going to suggest that type of antenna.

i am one who suggests the use of the cheapest-ass antenna possible, just as a reference point, a baseline, for example to see which stations are strongest.
then upgrade from there so you can evaluate the best marginal return on $ spent on your impending antenna farm which may soon look like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Mt_Wilson_antenna_farm_winter.jpeg

There'd be no harm in getting one of those antennas from Best Buy and giving it a try. If it works - great. If not, use their generous return policy and try something else.
Agreed! Become an expert...buy,try, return. Repeat till optimum results are achieved.
the cheapest-ass antenna possible, just as a reference point, a baseline, for example to see which stations are strongest.
then upgrade from there so you can evaluate the best marginal return on $ I agree again!!!
Looking over the Best Buy lineup and your location and the fact that everthing you want to watch in Boston is UHF i would go with a DB2 or Clearstream 2 from Antennas Direct.
It's true that the prices are high (relative to wholesale for example the DB8 is marked up 80%) for these items but you've got the gift card!

And yes I recommend an outdoor antenna!
What if you move 5 miles further out to a place with a second story deck facing the perfect direction?
And a Db2 is just not that big, and should work real well.
For God's sake (and yours) don't buy that RCA thing you were looking at. And for all of our sakes just buy SOMETHING :cool: so we can all get to the fun part, hearing how you watch HDTV cable free!

Doug in Stratham, still experimenting with my array BTW

There's also Stark Electronic in Worcester. I've never been there, but have heard good things about them.

Yes I've dealt with these fellows. I think they are fine. Been very helpful to me - I needed some mast brackets; called at 4:15 on a Tuesday, had them at 4PM on Wednesday. Folksy and down to earth like the gang at "You Do It" but more knowledgable about and a better array of antennas and related product.

I live in Pawtucket, maybe 6 miles from the Attleboro poster. I am getting perfect reception from Boston and Providence with a Rat Shack VHF/UHF antenna lying on the rafters in my attic. Yes, outside is better, but from your position you should definitely get anything from Boston with an inside antenna (assuming your house isn't clad in aluminum). Also, although all the Boston stations are UHF, WPRI from Providence is broadcasting on VHF channel 13. Although technically VHF, most decent UHF only antennas should pick it up, though.

SMK

Alright, thanks for all the info, I'll see what I'm able to do in the next few days.

Six months ago, WHDH analog was on channel 7 and WHDH digital was on channel 42. The anticipation was that they would move their digital to channel 7. There must have been a problem as they kept using channel 42.

Today at 2:25 pm, I was watching channel 7.1 when the picture audio changed. It now repeats something to the effect, "WHDH is switching to channel 42. Please re-scan your receiver. Call 617 xxx xxxx if you are having problems rescanning"

So I rescanned my DVR's and my televisions. The new WHDH is on channels 42.3 and 42.4. Why not 42.1 and 42.2?

Are they really moving to channel 42? Are they going to call themselves WHDH-42? Are the PSIP for 42.3 and 42.4 going to change? I've already re-scanned twice for them (from 42 to 7 and now from 7 to 42). Will I have to rescan again?

What's unusual is that channel 7.2 and 42.4 are simulcasting the same stuff.

Oddly, the re-scan picked up an analog station on channel 24. It was very fuzzy and in Spanish so I deleted it. I thought all analog stations went away.

Are they really moving to channel 42?
Yes - lots of people were having problems receiving them on 7, so they decided to go back to their pre-transition frequency (42).
Are they going to call themselves WHDH-42?
Nope - they're going to continue to call themselves WHDH-7 (at least for now). After all, it would confuse people if they changed their names ;). Same thing with all the other local channels in this area - none of them are on their original frequency:

2 is on RF19
4 is on RF30
5 is on RF20
7 is on RF42
25 is on RF31
38 is on RF39
44 is on RF43
56 is on RF41
etc.

I'm getting them on 7.1 and 7.2 PSIP on my PC.

So I rescanned my DVR's and my televisions. The new WHDH is on channels 42.3 and 42.4.

Because your box is not receiving or decoding the TVCT correctly from the PSIP generator. You need to do another scan. There is a chance your DVR doesn't like two 7.1's so it is ignoring this information and giving the UHF channel with the raw program stream number.

(Typical setup with stations using Thales setup have the first stream on program 3, the second on 4, third on 5, etc etc.) The TVCT information tells your DTV receiver that "42.3 is really 7.1 and show it as such". We can program that information in the PSIP generator to show up as basically anything. However FCC rules require the "major channel" (7.x) show up as your analog station. The "minor channel" (x.1) can be anything you want.

I just checked and both VHF 7 and UHF 42 and the PSIP/TVCT is correct on both.

WPRI from Providence is broadcasting on VHF channel 13. Although technically VHF, most decent UHF only antennas should pick it up, though.



WNAC is also VHF. And unless you live close to the transmitter, UHF only antennas will NOT pick it up reliably. Believe me, I have been dealing with this on a large scale as a lot of people in our market bought UHF only antennas and had a lot of problems picking up VHF stations with them. Even as close as Pawtucket and Attleboro. (One such caller in Pawtucket had one of those Philips UHF piece of junk antennas, and was unable to get a good lock on our signals. I had them put on a $10 pair of set top VHF/UHF passive antenna from Benny's., and they were able to get everything from Providence and most Boston with it).

Sorry. I didn't realize WNAC was on VHF. I had put my antenna in the attic a long time ago, and I just started getting the signals from WNAC when it went digital without problems. I knew WPRI was broadcasting on 13 and I guess I just assumed WNAC was UHF. What frequency does it broadcast on?

SMK

Sorry. I didn't realize WNAC was on VHF. I had put my antenna in the attic a long time ago, and I just started getting the signals from WNAC when it went digital without problems. I knew WPRI was broadcasting on 13 and I guess I just assumed WNAC was UHF. What frequency does it broadcast on?

SMK

Channel 12.

- Trip

So I rescanned my DVR's and my televisions. The new WHDH is on channels 42.3 and 42.4. This morning I rescanned a second time and WHDH is now on channel 7.1. What a pain. It took me about 45 minutes to rescan two TV's and two DVR's. My hunch is that they started broadcasting their "please rescan" message before they altered the PSIP.

Which brings up a question.... What happens if a station changes the PSIP in the middle of a broadcast? What happens if two stations broadcast the same PSIP (which is what I think was happening for a while yesterday afternoon).

When two stations are broadcasting on the same PSIP, which was the case from the DTV transition day up until when they shut off 7, it will either show 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3, 7.4, or 7.1, 7.2, and STA7.1, STA7.2 or just one of the two stations broadcasting on that frequency.

Which brings up a question.... What happens if a station changes the PSIP in the middle of a broadcast? What happens if two stations broadcast the same PSIP (which is what I think was happening for a while yesterday afternoon).

When I get to be in charge, I'm going to outlaw the use of PSIPs.
From then on, what you see is what you get for OTA, no more confusion.

People really aren't all that stupid that they need to be LIED TO in order to find their old familiar stations.
Fer instance, on my FiOS receiver, I punch in 508 to get WFXT.
On my other OTA TV, I'd be happy to punch in 31 to get the same station.
I'm really good at remembering numbers like this...

Fer instance, on my FiOS receiver, I punch in 508 to get WFXT.

That's also a mapped channel.

- Trip

That's also a mapped channel.
I think that's his point ;).

That's not the impression I took away from his post. The "for instance" makes me think that he's pointing to that as an example of a "real channel" that people are capable of remembering 25 as instead of "25-1."

But I could be wrong. :)

- Trip

When two stations are broadcasting on the same PSIP, which was the case from the DTV transition day up until when they shut off 7, it will either show 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3, 7.4, or 7.1, 7.2, and STA7.1, STA7.2 or just one of the two stations broadcasting on that frequency.

Depending on your receiver.

On the digital stream and insignia boxes, you get two 7.1's
My Sanyo TV did the 7.1 then 42.3 thing with respect to both.

Here's mine:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2lxcb4n.jpg

all the boston channels are dead out here

all the boston channels are dead out here

You could try moving across the river to regular Haverhill.
I punched generic "Haverhill" into TVfool and the Boston stations came out waaaay stronger, all with Noise Margins of 10.0 dB or higher.
Put yer antenna up higher as well, 35 feet or so...

That's not the impression I took away from his post. The "for instance" makes me think that he's pointing to that as an example of a "real channel" that people are capable of remembering 25 as instead of "25-1."

But I could be wrong. :)

- Trip

The whole concept of virtual channel numbers, now that I've been into digital OTA reception for a few years, smacks of the same sort of administrative brilliance that brought us several delays in the shutdown of analog broadcasting.
I suspect the idea was to make the transition to digital even simpler for REALLY STUPID PEOPLE who can't deal with even minor technological advances.

I actually have two OTA stations here that map to virtual channel 6: WHDN (RF 38) and WLNE (RF 49). Last time I scanned, WHDN won out and WLNE got zapped. Fortunately, neither of these stations are on my must-have list.

Actually, if Samsung would just make a firmware upgrade to allow me to ignore virtual PSIP assignments and tune the actual channel directly, I'd be happy. Until then, the FCC remains on my s***list...

I suspect the idea was to make the transition to digital even simpler for REALLY STUPID PEOPLE who can't deal with even minor technological advances.Given the reception of the DTV transition from some quarters, I figure every little bit helped. Figure without these nuances, like virtual channel numbers, we might have seen more serious obstruction -- those people you call "stupid" could have perhaps stopped the transition entirely. Remember, they get to vote, too, and we're a minority.

The whole concept of virtual channel numbers, now that I've been into digital OTA reception for a few years, smacks of the same sort of administrative brilliance that brought us several delays in the shutdown of analog broadcasting.
I'm more charitable. Stations invested a lot of effort to create brand loyalty to the old analog channel number, even though much of their viewership was on Cable or Sat with virtual channel numbers.

I think it makes sense to use OTA virtual channel designations to preserve that investment. The only time I care about RF channel is when fiddling with our antenna, other then that it really doesn't matter.

I actually have two OTA stations here that map to virtual channel 6: WHDN (RF 38) and WLNE (RF 49). Last time I scanned, WHDN won out and WLNE got zapped. Fortunately, neither of these stations are on my must-have list.


WHDN-DT maps to 6.1? Hmm. I need to read the rules on LPTV's and Class A's. Full power stations which flash cut or are digital only have to map to their FCC assigned channel.

Something tells me they aren't supposed to do that. However they are on 38, so I know they couldn't also map to 38.1, but they could certanly map to their old assignment of 26.1 without a problem.

Its sister station WHDT-LD in Miami changed their mapping from 44-1 to 9-1 a while ago, around the same time WHDN-LD did. I'm not sure I understand the logic.

- Trip

Its sister station WHDT-LD in Miami changed their mapping from 44-1 to 9-1 a while ago, around the same time WHDN-LD did. I'm not sure I understand the logic.

- Trip

There is no logic, correct.
This is why I will be outlawing the virtual channel part of PSIP.

There is no logic, correct.
This is why I will be outlawing the virtual channel part of PSIP.

That doesn't make any sense. Why are you "outlawing" virtual channels?

Man, that WHDH change was a real pain. I turned on my Windows Media Center PC tonight to find out that none of my NBC shows had recorded and I had no signal for NBC or This TV. All other stations came in OK. Rescanning didn't help. There was no info whatsoever on the WHDH web site or anywhere else easy to find (until I found this thread and added the info to Wikipedia).

Turns out with Windows Media Center a simple rescan wasn't enough, because a rescan will not replace an existing channel with a new channel at the same number. I had done my initial setup in October, but I guess it latched on to the channel 7 version of WHDH. Finally I had to set up my tuner from scratch, which meant erasing my entire lineup, rescanning everything, and going back in and renaming all the channels manually (more than an hour of work).

Man, that WHDH change was a real pain...a simple rescan wasn't enough...

Yeah, same here. I had to delete the 7-1 entry from my Dish 622, and manually add a channel at transmit ch 42. The rescan kept thinking the VHF 7 channel was perfectly fine.

Yeah, same here. I had to delete the 7-1 entry from my Dish 622, and manually add a channel at transmit ch 42. The rescan kept thinking the VHF 7 channel was perfectly fine.

I had the exact same problem. My HDhomerun could see both channels, but my media center would only see the one on VHF. Once I realized what was going on (thanks to the fabulous support staff at Silicondust) I had it corrected in only a few minutes on Friday.

I did noticed something odd as I experienced the tuner issues on Wednesday and Thursday. While I could not tune to the WHDH's VHF station and watch live TV, all recordings came in fine.

WGBH'ers :-)

On the Saturday (14 NOV 2009) episode of ``Ask This Old House'', a Boston area homeowner had his television antenna upgraded, purportedly receiving 25 channels from the four previous with an indoor unit.

Was anyone able to detect what kind of antenna was used for this episode? It almost looked like an AntennaCraft HBU-55 but I can't be sure because the model wasn't identified.

An installer I know said it was a mid range Winegard 76** series (replacing a RS 1892 UFO).

On the Saturday (14 NOV 2009) episode of ``Ask This Old House'', a Boston area homeowner had his television antenna upgraded, purportedly receiving 25 channels from the four previous with an indoor unit.


Two things I thought were bad about that installation.

1) The downlead did not go through a ground block to provide lightning protection to the RF run. Even though it went into an attic vent hole, there should have been the ground block installed and a 2nd ground line brought to the dirt or at least split bolt tied to the other ground line. The antenna was grounded but that isn't enough.

2) The installer used a overkill, 1x4 splitter for the run. There is no need to attenuate the signal more than it is needed until the additional signals are needed. He should have been with a 1x2 splitter. Also if the home owner requested a 1x4 splitter, the installer should have used 75 ohm terminators on the unused outputs.

Hey, didn't WCVB used to have Storm Team 5 HD Doppler OTA or something? I remember reading how their radar was on subchannel 5.2 or something......would that be watchable on an HD Antenna?

I think they did used to, but not anymore. I'm only getting WCVB 5.1 right now, nothing on 5.2.

But, if they still did, you would be able to get it on an antenna, but it would probably be in 480i instead of HD, because having two HD subchannels would severely reduce the quality on the main channel.

WCVB is already severely reducing the picture quality of their main channel by taking the 720p ABC network feed, upconverting and interlacing it up to 1080i only for my own 720p sets and converter boxes to downconvert again. I wish I could get a solid signal from WMUR or WLNE.

Tribune Media (zap2it, data provider for TiVo) still shows both WHDH-DT and WHDHSTA (special temporary authority).

Has the FCC taken final action on WHDH's request to abandon VHF-7 and stay on UHF-42 only?
If so, what do we need to beat up Tribune to get the frequencies correct and get rid of WHDHSTA? (TiVo season passes are linked to call-sign, so passes on the WHDH-DT are stuck on VHF-7.)

Tribune Media (zap2it, data provider for TiVo) still shows both WHDH-DT and WHDHSTA (special temporary authority).

Has the FCC taken final action on WHDH's request to abandon VHF-7 and stay on UHF-42 only?
If so, what do we need to beat up Tribune to get the frequencies correct and get rid of WHDHSTA? (TiVo season passes are linked to call-sign, so passes on the WHDH-DT are stuck on VHF-7.)

Yes. Channel 7 is no longer a legal allotment in Boston. It is just 42.
WHDH is 42 now for "good".

It is WHDH's job to contact Tribune media services to update the EPG, but from personal experience, it can sometimes take a week or two for TMS to actually apply the update you told them about.

Do you happen to know if Tribute Media also the EPG source for DTVPal (the converter made by Dish Network for OTA signals? Although it is supposed to provide several days of info, it usually starts saying no information after a few hours, and some channels will be missing information frequently. I asked the DTVPal people, and they said that it's not their responsibility, and to check with the local CBS station, though I never did.

It is very possible.

TMS provides data for a lot of companies. Who? I don't know for sure. I know TitanTV gets theirs from them.

Here's what I'm getting right now with my antenna in the window:

WMUR-HD 9.1
WENH-HD 11.1
WENH-SD 11.2
EXPLORE 11.3
WUNI 27.1
WUNI-2 27.2
WNEU-HD 34.1

Why is WSBK-38 so inconsistent for My Name is Earl and The Office? It seems like one moment they're HD, and then the next they're not. This week during The Office, it returned from a commercial break and it wasn't in HD for the rest of the show. Come on guys! Get your act together over there!!!

WSBK is the only channel that I don't get a consistent channel-lock on. It really seems to be a half-channel AFAIC.