Maybe it's south Longmont that has problems....if anyone wants to map from my place to RP, I would appreciate finding out what's in my way, and just how tall of a mast I would need to get a signal!
You ought to have line of sight, even over those ridges. But who can say? You're about 2.4 miles east of mattn6 - maybe he can let you know how his reception is.

Neither the governor nor the legislature are going to step into a local zoning dispute unless it's a crisis. Providing free HDTV service to a few thousand of us (who could afford to get cable if we really wanted it) is not such a crisis.

When analog shutoff time comes and the existing towers are the only option for continued broadcast, THEN it will be a crisis. If Jeffco tries to pull the 'different service' b***s**t to prevent the stations from switching their feeds, somebody is going to slap them down - might be the governor. the legsislature, or even the FCC.

They should. This is a matter of national security. The people in Colorado are at risk by the analog not being shut down. Katrina is a good example. Like I said, the greed of the communists who decided to build their homes next to the TV towers now want to have them removed. The whole thing is BS. The governor and the state congress are cowards. Their is no excuse for this. Let me make this as clear as I can so you and everyone else can understand this.
CARE is a group of people that built their homes in the vacinity of television towers. Now they don't like them there so they want them removed at the expense of police, military as well as fire and emergancy people who will respond in a crises. This BS case should not have even made it to first base. Its obsurd and laughable. If I had my way I would take all of their televisions away from them for same amount of time as their joke lawsuit has taken from us not having full power HD. Just like the bible says, "an eye for an eye"

I think you may be getting Morrison mixed up with Squaw. Does Morrison have these issues also? Can you get UPN20 analog now? They are on Morrison. KBDI-12 is on Squaw, and I know it had shadowing issues similar to what you described (before they added some translators).

Squaw is severely shadowed in the Boulder area but Morrison can be just as bad in some areas.

For example, for me in Louisville UPN20 analog is pretty fuzzy and ghosty; 12 is just basically unwatchable in analog and its signal simply doesn't exist at all in digital, this
despite being able to receive most everything else except for the Radio Shack transmitter kit and coat hanger on the roof of KMGH. (I can receive 2-1, 4-1, 9-1 and 9-2, 31-1 and 53-1.)

They should. This is a matter of national security. The people in Colorado are at risk by the analog not being shut down. Katrina is a good example. Like I said, the greed of the communists who decided to build their homes next to the TV towers now want to have them removed. The whole thing is BS. The governor and the state congress are cowards. Their is no excuse for this. Let me make this as clear as I can so you and everyone else can understand this.
CARE is a group of people that built their homes in the vacinity of television towers. Now they don't like them there so they want them removed at the expense of police, military as well as fire and emergancy people who will respond in a crises. This BS case should not have even made it to first base. Its obsurd and laughable. If I had my way I would take all of their televisions away from them for same amount of time as their joke lawsuit has taken from us not having full power HD. Just like the bible says, "an eye for an eye"I agree that sCARE and their allies are full of it, but I don't see any 'national security' issue here.

The situation if Jeffco is not going to affect the analog shutoff, which is being scheduled on a national level. But the analog shutoff IS going to affect the situation in Jeffco and force a resolution; most likely outcome is that the current towers on Lookout get used for digital. That's my prediction, anyway.

Meanwhile we have a three year problem which is very frustrating for us HD afficionaods. But we're not a big enough group to matter politically to anyone at the state level, nor are very many of us likely to switch party affiliation over this issue.

Not too interesting, but you do have a hill relatively close (across 119) that might cause some problems. I think the ridge oxothuk mentions is west and a little south of you (at least that's where Niwot is). But with RP at 5900'+, you're close to having line of sight.

Sorry for the delay. I don't know how full time single parents can do it.


Yep, there is a hill right across 119. I think that is my biggest hurdle as you suggest. As I mentioned my only issue is with KCNC and I was curious to compare to the other Longmont folks who get it fine. THanks so much for offering this. No need to apologize :)

Well I am south of loveland at : 40.3573 lat, -105.0690 long and I can get KUSA okay most of the time but KCNC nothing. I have a gradual hill to the south of me that if I understand is about 50 feet in change (wrong way :) what does my profile look like????? Thanks for doing this from RP to me.

It looked like KMGH was back this morning. Not as strong and steady as it was a week ago, but the best it has been since things started going south last Saturday afternoon.

Wouldn't it be lovely if the KMGH technical manager would provide an explanation of just what happened in a post to this forum!

Mooooo!

colofan - I will run it tonight, but you are VERY close to whtevr77.

Aren't KUSA and KCNC both broadcasting from RP? Would it just be different broadcast antenna patterns that cause people in Longmont to have problems?

I will not have access to my topo program after tonight until Monday. So if you want a profile run, please wait until then or see if ByH2O can run it for you.

These topo plots are great! Could I please get a set from my place to Republic and Lookout? (No point even wasting time with KMGH, since there's no chance.)
+39.891, -105.024.

There's a rather large ridge immediately to the South, which blocks Republic pretty effectively, even though I'm not all that far from downtown.

I can't visually see the towers on Lookout, but I'm not sure if the ridge itself blocks it, or just taller buildings in the vicinity.

Thanks in advance!

I sent this e-mail to "the Denver Channel" 5 minutes ago and received a very rapid response from Darrell Brown GM (or his exec. assistant).

my e-mail:

MESSAGE:
I am sure that you are sick of hearing about your HD transmitter, but
since the LCG tower proposal has been denied, will you be planning
anything to allow us viewers access to the superbowl in HD? perhaps a 1
time waiver for DirecTV or Dish subs to get the superbowl via satellite?

reply said the following:

We are working to find a much stronger over the air HD solution prior to
Super Bowl. We will not grant waivers. Direct TV is supposed to launch
their local HD service by the end of the year. No word from Dish on
their progress.

Could this be reality or just another blow-off? I have not been in contact with Mr. Brown before, but I remember the woman who he replaced. She constantly hid behind LCGII as the reason they wouldn't go to RP (or Mt. Morrison/Squaw).

I would like to give Mr. Brown the benefit of the doubt but his stations track record makes it difficult. I wish that they would consider loosening their "no waver" stance for the Superbowl, but if they can get us Republic Plaza transmition levels before the big game it would be good enough for me.

I would also like to ask that we are respectful of Mr. Brown and not flame all over this post. I don't want to hear about the fact that DirecTV will not have Denver on-line before the end of the year or how Mr. Brown needs to get his facts strait. I would like to hear if anyone has had any interaction with Darrell Brown and if this should be received as a message from a stand-up guy.

Formerly MattF

Aren't KUSA and KCNC both broadcasting from RP? .Yes, but KCNC is on a considerably higher frequency (ch 35) vs KUSA (ch 16). High-frequency UHF doesn't carry as far at any given power level, and the antenna beam-widths on higher channels are narrower as well.

Remember guys, Line-of-sight is not an absolute. I am about 22 miles away, and have a huge hill between my antenna and downtown. I cannot see it at all. But, I can pull in all those stations. So, don't give up just because of that.

Has a good reason ever been provided by KMGH as to why they won't grant waivers to DirecTV subs like KCNC and KDVR do?


To be fair, both KCNC and KDVR are owned and operated by CBS and FOX. When the DirecTV and Dish contracts for Viacom (CBS) and NewsCorp (FOX) content were signed, they included a national feed of their content that would be made available to any market that had an owned and operated FOX or CBS station.

KMGH is not owned by ABC. They will not make any of the millions that Disney made when they signed their contracts with Dish and DirecTV. They need viewers to earn advertising revenue.

With that said, all of the ads on the superbowl are NATIONAL spots. KMGH stands to profit little from blocking us from receiving the national feed. If they could allow only the superbowl to be passed, unblocked, then the block the national feed when the game ends, I do not see how this would negatively impact their station.

If they can get a higher powered signal to Denver before the game, I feel that this would be their best solution.

-Matt

Reception from the North side or Castle Rock (on the ridge above town) using an antennasdirect.com DB4 mounted in my attic (no shingles, just a wall and siding to go through) has been excellent. I'm at about 6550' elevation.

THe DB2 in the attic is attached to a CM 7778 preamp in then down to the basement central wiring panel and then back up to the first floor family room dish 942 DVR.

I'm getting something like 16 total DTV channels, most with 80+ signal strength ... the worst being like 78.

I don't have a line of sight to downtown, in fact happy canyon ridge is in the way and I also have power lines in the line of sight ... but reception in the attic was better than when I mounted the DB4 to the exterior of the home at about a 3' level. Use of the preamp seems very helpful indeed.

I don't want to hear about the fact that DirecTV will not have Denver on-line before the end of the year
Why not? I'm not trying to flame your post, but DirecTV will not have Denver locals on by the end of the year. IIRC, Spaceway 1 and 2 were supposed to both be up before they would have locals for the top 15 (?) markets, and Denver was outside of that group (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Besides, Spaceway 2 isn't supposed to launch until at least November (and it keeps moving later, too) and there are usually a couple of months for positioning and checkout before the spacecraft is operational.

I'm willing to give Mr. Brown the benefit of the doubt, but using an untruth to rationalize your actions is about the same as what the sCARE folks do. I think the fact that he used this as rationale already tells you that maybe he isn't a stand up guy. I do know that we never really got a straight answer from KMGH when we were waiting for the to be picked up by Comcast - it was always the other guys' fault (from both sides, but you're not asking about Comcast).

[QUOTE=gakon]

Why not? I'm not trying to flame your post, but DirecTV will not have Denver locals on by the end of the year. IIRC, Spaceway 1 and 2 were supposed to both be up before they would have locals for the top 15 (?) markets, and Denver was outside of that group (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Besides, Spaceway 2 isn't supposed to launch until at least November (and it keeps moving later, too) and there are usually a couple of months for positioning and checkout before the spacecraft is operational.
The reason I didn't want to talk about DirecTV is that your statments are true and Mr. Brown may not be aware of the delays. We cannot expect him to stay on-top-of DirecTV's buisness problems and his stations buisness problems.


I'm willing to give Mr. Brown the benefit of the doubt, but using an untruth to rationalize your actions is about the same as what the sCARE folks do. I think the fact that he used this as rationale already tells you that maybe he isn't a stand up guy. I do know that we never really got a straight answer from KMGH when we were waiting for the to be picked up by Comcast - it was always the other guys' fault (from both sides, but you're not asking about Comcast).
His statement may be nieve but I don't know if it is an out-and-out lie. I would like to know if Mr. Brown has been involved in the mud slinging between KMGH and Comcast. I would also like to know if he has been sandbagging over-the-air ATSC from RP. I guess I would like to know if he should be given a chance to correct the wrongs of KMGH or has he caused them?

I have watched and participated in this forum, for the past 4 years (I just changed jobs and lost access to my original screen name, MattF) and there is a lot of bad blood directed at KMGH. I do not remember Mr. Brown being the cause of many of these issues (I recall a terrible station manager, a woman whos name escapes me, who caused most of the venom directed at the station). It would be nice to get an accounting of his track record to determine if this e-mail can be trusted or is it more KMGH Bravo Siera.

P.S. Top of the page MOM

Maybe some more emails to Darrell Brown are timely. Dick Kreck's column in the Denver Post today mentioned the KMGH transmitter fiasco during MNF. Since they have to repair or replace their Fisher-Price unit, maybe they should relocate the thing to where more of the metro area can receive their signal.

http://www.denverpost.com/kreck/ci_3069599

Thanks Ernie. Exactly. Did the model of Lookout Mountain with all its towers that they had on display also have multiple guy wires on the current channel 4 tower and the proposed tower? I just seem to recall that when they simulated a tower collapse they only disconnected one guy wire. One thing I do know the proposed fell like a tree onto a channel 4 guy wire and that tower fell like a tree also.

dr_mal since this demo was at the Aug 30th hearing can you shed any light on this?
I seem to remember the same thing - one guy wire being removed to simulate tower fall. I'm not 100% sure, though. Sorry :(

Tower hearing article in the COLORADO city@mountain views (http://www.citymtnviews.com/AT_hearing092705.php4) .

dr_mal
Thanks for this map. I'm printing it out now.

Do you know if the Home Depot, Kohls, PetsMart at Colfax and 6th Ave are part of Golden? I can't tell from the map. I may have to give them a call.
Based on my interpretation of that map (and with some help from maps.google.com) it certainly appear that that complex is within the Golden city limits.

Leonard,

You must really like getting this forum to rage. Here I go:

Quote:
For eight years, City and Mountain Views was the only constant investigative reporting of the “abuse of power for profit” by huge media corporations and “long-time corruption of Jefferson County politicians who allowed RF saturation of a residential area in exchange for nice publicity.” Views compared this with previous federal corruption at Rocky Flats, except the antenna tower land use was controlled by local Jefferson County politicians. Lookout is not the best site for towers. It became “favored” for antennas because JeffCo politicians allowed it.


I remember an expression about pots and kettles and their color. Abuse of power for profit is exactly wha the 9000 canyon residents accomplished.

Commissioner McCasky supported the broadcast corporations collectively worth over $120 billion. Aware of excellent alternative sites, Commissioners Auburn and Congrove voted to deny the Supertower that would impact over 50,000 residents and businesses already saturated with EMR. Approval would also cause a negative impact on the “heritage tourism” economy of the City of Golden (founded in 1859) and the world-class Colorado School of Mines (founded in 1872). Citizens and their elected representatives hope the Denver broadcast community will move to higher ground, literally and ethically.

What excellent alternatives? Perhaps we could "eminent domain" the Colorado City and Mountain Views offices and erect a tower in its place. Isn't eminent domain similar to manifest destiny. I didn't realize that Golden was so supportive of Columbus. Columbus parade 2006 down the middle of Golden.


No media reported that the County Commissioners replaced those that approved the rezoning in 2003. There also was no mention that existing towers operate on land zoned residential, which cannot be expanded. Nonconforming land use is supposed to be “temporary.” The attempted rezoning would legalize unlimited operations for another 50 years.


Are they implying that the 2 commissioners were replaced? I believe that their term limit was up. It appears that George W. Bush and Clinton were defeated after 8 years of service using their logic.

I would go on, but I need to stop the bleeding in my brain from this vein that has exploded. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

...Mr. Brown may not be aware of the delays. We cannot expect him to stay on-top-of DirecTV's buisness problems and his stations buisness problems. I agree he may not be on top of the delays, but he ought to be familiar with DirecTV's plan for locals (since his station is one of them), and the Denver locals were never supposed to be available this year.

I would like to know if Mr. Brown has been involved in the mud slinging between KMGH and Comcast. I'm not sure I'd call it mud slinging, and I certainly won't accuse him of it. I'll have to check my other email files (can't do that right now) to see if I kept any responses from KMGH back when we were bugging them to get on Comcast to see what words were used and whose they were. I was not on the forum when the previous manager (Cindy Velasquez) was in place, but I recall posts that implied that she might be the cause of a lot of the issues. However, things have not changed with respect to OTA, so while Mr. Brown may not be as bad as his predecessor, he has not made an effort to improve. I think he will be motivated only by financial and legal pressures.
When I was writing to KMGH about getting carried on Comcast, I used a similar argument that a recent post made: I don't watch ABC, because I can't get it in HD. Generally speaking, people with HDTV's are in higher income brackets, and those are the people ABC wants to watch their shows (and commercials). If people with HDTV's are avoiding ABC and KMGH, they're losing out on advertising. I have no idea if that argument made any difference in their motivation to get their signal on Comcast.

9000 canyon residents. Jefferson County decided to vote against this tower for 9000 residents.

in the 2000 Census Jeffco had a population of 527,056. 9000 people decided the fate of television for over 500,000 Jeffco citizens (not counting over 2,000,000 residents of Denver, Araphahoe, Adams and El Paso). What a joke. Can't this issue be placed onto a ballot to be voted upon buy all the citizens of Jeffco. Let all of Jeffco decide if this land should be used for open space, house development or TV.

You should be able to go to JeffCos website.

http://archie.co.jefferson.co.us/website/aspin/disclaimer.htm or http://co.jefferson.co.us/ext/dpt/portal/applications/index.htm .

They do not show the city boundaries (like Arapahoe & Douglas) at the zoomed in level, but click on a parcel, then tax tab and it will show if they have to pay Golden property tax - a good sign they are or are not in the city limits.

Tower hearing article in the COLORADO city@mountain viewsThe publisher of that rag is a real b!tch. She called me on the phone a while back under the guise of wanting an interview (since my name was registered on the public testimony list) She called and wanted to know why I would support this awful tower.

Well, she had no idea who she called, as I professionally, point-by-point, (and by using 'actual facts' instead of sCARE's twisted BS) blew holes in all her arguments. She then got all frustrated and her nasty side came out. She then told me to go f*ck myself and hung up!!!

How'd you like to be married to that! s-C-A-R-Y huh?

Can't this issue be placed onto a ballot to be voted upon buy all the citizens of Jeffco.

It basically was. The commisioners that ran on a anti-tower platform won. (Were there other choices?)

Few people w/o a HDTV really care. The morons that bought home with antennas in the back yard really care though.

It basically was. The commisioners that ran on a anti-tower platform won. (Were there other choices?)

Few people w/o a HDTV really care. The morons that bought home with antennas in the back yard really care though.

from my recollection, they had no alternatives. The other commisioners terms were up and they couldn't run again. Would you want to run for a BCC position and have to deal with C.A.R.E. constantly calling you a child killer for voting against their point-of-view?

Would you want to run for a BCC position and have to deal with C.A.R.E. constantly calling you a child killer for voting against their point-of-view?Yes.

Can someone run the topo profiles to RP and Lookout mountain for me? Here's my info

39 47' 51" (39.79711)
105 8' 2" (105.13367)
elevation 5390

Since my neighborhood is call The VALLEY at Rainbow Ridge, I got it feeling it will look pretty ugly.

Would you want to run for a BCC position and have to deal with C.A.R.E. constantly calling you a child killer for voting against their point-of-view?
Yes.
:confused: I don't recall Ernie running :p

I don't recall Ernie running Way too many skeletons in my closet ;)

dr_mal,

I seem to remember you posting that UPN 20 might have some interesting news on the HD horizon. Can you let the cat out of the bag (perhaps a date) or are you still sworn to secrecy?

That Colorado City@Mountain Views article was rather amusing.

I like how the very first thing they say is No paper or television news mentioned that alternative sites are available for digital TV antennas, and digital will ADD more radiation to existing analog antennas until analog is phased out (probably the year 2020).

2020??!! Man, this digital transition really is bogged down! ;)

It basically was. The commisioners that ran on a anti-tower platform won. (Were there other choices?)

This whole election platform thing has puzzled me. With the length of the ballot, I just looked at the thumbnail and answers to a set of newspaper questions, along w/ party affiliation, to make a decision on my choice of Jeffco county commissioners. Quite frankly, I don't remember seeing anything in that literature about their stand on the LCG II tower (I was well aware of the issue so I would have noticed). Tower defeat promises must have been made to selected constiutancies and not been one of their main public positions.

I feel like I was snookered and I probably was. However, 4 years goes quickly and I have a very long political memory for those I need to punish.

KMGH is not owned by ABC. They will not make any of the millions that Disney made when they signed their contracts with Dish and DirecTV. They need viewers to earn advertising revenue.
-Matt

Waiver or not, they ALREADY count me as a viewer. Does it not stand to reason that since I'm a D* subscriber who already PAYS FOR my local channels then I'm "counted" as a viewer and I add to their revenue? There's NO WAY that at any moment D* tallies the number of people watching each channel and discerns how much $ to pay each provider. It's all about being the ABC affiliate, having hit shows like Lost & Housewives. In short, granting the waiver would in NO WAY negatively impact KMGH revenue.

He's just being jerk. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Remember the Taj Mahal! All the the politicians that approved it WITHOUT voter approval were gone the next election. HMMM!!! I wonder if some of those are Jeffco County Comissioners now?

I'm so fed up w/ JeffCo. One incompetent after another. We've had to change the sheriff and the DA because they didn't think the public needed to know what they were doing or that what they were doing was for our own good. Someday we'll also get the school board out of the control of the teacher's union.

Now 9,000 people control the BCC and affect the lifestyle of over 2 million. Appalling!

That article link got me to that point again where I want to just spit. Half truths and distortions passing as information. I was looking for a "contact us" link to give them a shot back, but I couldn't find one.

This whole election platform thing has puzzled me. With the length of the ballot, I just looked at the thumbnail and answers to a set of newspaper questions, along w/ party affiliation, to make a decision on my choice of Jeffco county commissioners. Quite frankly, I don't remember seeing anything in that literature about their stand on the LCG II tower (I was well aware of the issue so I would have noticed). Tower defeat promises must have been made to selected constiutancies and not been one of their main public positions.

I feel like I was snookered and I probably was. However, 4 years goes quickly and I have a very long political memory for those I need to punish.

Agreed!

A bit off topic here, but I did not know where else to post.

I was wondering what the HD reception in Boulder is like. I thought someone on this forum might know. I have been considering purchasing an HDTV tuner just to get better quality reception on my old analog TV. I don't want to pay for cable, but enjoy the major networks.

I don't know if this helps but...I have condo roof mounted antennae with an amplified signal. I receive ABC, NBC, and CBS well, but I don't get FOX well except switching over to Bunny ears.

I guess it depends on how close I am to the mountains and whether my LOS is unobstructed.

Thanks for any help and I apologize for getting off topic

Note: For those who may not know Congrove & McCasky were elected last year. Auburn by appointment replaced Sheehan who resigned in February over the Pinky T fiasco.
If I remember right all the people running for commissioner were anti-tower (according to their web sites).
Just think where we might be if Sheehan was still around.

A bit off topic here, but I did not know where else to post.

I was wondering what the HD reception in Boulder is like. I thought someone on this forum might know. I have been considering purchasing an HDTV tuner just to get better quality reception on my old analog TV. I don't want to pay for cable, but enjoy the major networks.

I don't know if this helps but...I have condo roof mounted antennae with an amplified signal. I receive ABC, NBC, and CBS well, but I don't get FOX well except switching over to Bunny ears.

I guess it depends on how close I am to the mountains and whether my LOS is unobstructed.

Thanks for any help and I apologize for getting off topic
Actually, your post is ON TOPIC, it's the rest of us who are off.

You won't be able to get ABC-HD with any kind of antenna. The ABC-HD signal from Denver is pitifully weak, transmitted from a low-rise office building, and on the same frequency as a low-power religious station in Boulder. If ABC-HD is a must have read no further, just call Comcast.

You also won't get KBDI digital, but no big loss - they aren't doing any HD.

Your chances of getting Fox and WB HD are excellent unless you are hard up against the foothills. Your condo-mounted antenna OUGHT to work although your statement that it doesn't get Fox well now is a concern; if it doesn't, then you can try a simple indoor antenna like the Zenith Silver Sensor.

The real question is whether you will be able to get NBC, CBS, and PBS-6, all of whom broadcast from the top of Republic Plaza in Denver. Davidson Mesa is a major obstacle for the south and east sections of town. Even at that, you will almost certainly need a good OUTDOOR antenna oriented with a clear LOS to the southeast. I am able to get all of these stations, but I live NE of the city on a bit of a hill with a valley between my house and Davidson Mesa.

Hope this helps.

Has a good reason ever been provided by KMGH as to why they won't grant waivers to DirecTV subs like KCNC and KDVR do?
I don't know about KMGH, but I did talk with the GM of KXRM(Fox 21 in the Springs) and he flat out told me that this is his DMA, and he doesn't want me to be watching an LA channel. Then he tried to blame this mess on D* for not having HD LIL in place. Oh PLEASE!!!!

And, of course he knows that nobody up here can get his digital signal. They wouldn't have a translator station up here for nothing(analog only).

So, basically this ass thinks he owns me!

Yea, right! His days are numbered, and he's prolly too stupid to realize it.
....jc

"So, basically this ass thinks he owns me!"

Speaking of KMGH, is anyone watching Alias tonight? Sometimes I think it looks like the 480p widescreen that FOX used to show.
I wonder if they are doing something with what's left of their coat hangers and baling wires?

I agree that sCARE and their allies are full of it, but I don't see any 'national security' issue here.

The situation if Jeffco is not going to affect the analog shutoff, which is being scheduled on a national level. But the analog shutoff IS going to affect the situation in Jeffco and force a resolution; most likely outcome is that the current towers on Lookout get used for digital. That's my prediction, anyway.

Meanwhile we have a three year problem which is very frustrating for us HD afficionaods. But we're not a big enough group to matter politically to anyone at the state level, nor are very many of us likely to switch party affiliation over this issue.

It is a Colorado Security Issue. The analog is going away. The current system used by our first responders is going digital everywhere in the United States.
So if Colorado, Kansas and Texas were Nuked by sCARE (I mean Al Quida) the communication system has to be the same everywhere to keep the lines open. That is why John McCain and many other Senetors continue talking about this issue. During the Katrina Disaster, the Analog System completely Failed and the lines of communication broke down. This isn't about just HD signals. Their are many issues involved. Colorado is going to get a big junk of the analog being auctioned off to replace the current system with an all digital one. Its happening right now. HD isn't being taken seriosly by anyone, anywhere. The MNF debacle is evidence of that. KUSA doesn't broadcast in Dolby Digital and are compressing the signal so much now to sqeez in more channels. Whats next, 24 hour news?

what does my profile look like?????Well, you're not as close to whtevr77 as I thought. I don't know what I was thinking. Anyway, the hill up to the highway (which is about 50' up, as you said) looks very similar to what he has to deal with, and seems to be the only obstruction to line of sight. I assume you read oxo's post about the effects of the KCNC's frequency being the likely culprit.

I was poking around on the Jeffco website. I found the Commissioner's Goals. Here:

http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/ext/dpt/commish/bccgoals.htm

The best one was:

Responsible Planning
"We will provide responsible planning to carry Jefferson County into the 21st century. To do this, we will prepare for growth while at the same time safeguarding the rights of property owners. We will plan effectively for future needs, integrate the strategic planning efforts of the various branches of the county’s justice system and streamline and clarify county policies, procedures and regulations."


HMMM!?!?! The 21st century.

Could I please get a set from my place to Republic and Lookout? You're right about the ridge to the south. Do you get any reception from RP?
The profile to Lookout gives a great cutaway of South Table Mountain, but it shows a pretty good line of sight (minus any structures close to you).
By the way, the topo program shows you in Northglenn, but your information says Westminster (which is actually a few miles south according to the map).

You're right about the ridge to the south. Do you get any reception from RP?
The profile to Lookout gives a great cutaway of South Table Mountain, but it shows a pretty good line of sight (minus any structures close to you).
By the way, the topo program shows you in Northglenn, but your information says Westminster (which is actually a few miles south according to the map).

Thanks for the plots! The Table Mountain profile on the Lookout map is great!

It's very difficult for me to get reception from RP. I fought with it for months, and it took a huge DB8 + preamp to get relatively stable signals from NBC & CBS. Then the HOA came after me because the sweet spot wasn't in an area under my "exclusive control," so I had to remove it and subscribe to Comcast. :mad:

I don't have any trouble getting Fox & WB from Lookout with a Silver Sensor on my windowsill, but I can't even get a whiff of RP with it.

I'm not sure why the program says Northglenn, unless the rounding of my coordinates put me in the wrong place. My GPS says 39.89053, -105.02428 out back where the antenna was.

Can someone run the topo profiles to RP and Lookout mountain for me? The profile to RP isn't beautiful, but not much worse than some I just posted, and you're still below the antenna elevation. Remember what Ernie said about line of sight not being the only criteria.
You've got a little hill towards Lookout, but otherwise a pretty clear shot.

I'm not sure why the program says Northglenn, unless the rounding of my coordinates put me in the wrong place. If you're between 112th and 104th (north/south) and between Huron and 287 (east/west), then it's probably just labeling on the maps. Rounding would not put you where the map says Westminster.

If you're between 112th and 104th (north/south) and between Huron and 287 (east/west), then it's probably just labeling on the maps. Rounding would not put you where the map says Westminster.

Much closer to 287 than Huron, but yep, that's exactly where I am. I verified the coordinates on a mapping program and they are indeed correct. Thanks again! The RP plot definitely confirms why it's so tough for me to get anything from there.

I was wondering what the HD reception in Boulder is like. I thought someone on this forum might know. I have been considering purchasing an HDTV tuner just to get better quality reception on my old analog TV. I don't want to pay for cable, but enjoy the major networks.

I don't know if this helps but...I have condo roof mounted antennae with an amplified signal. I receive ABC, NBC, and CBS well, but I don't get FOX well except switching over to Bunny ears.
For what it's worth, I'm in Louisville and can receive all local HD channels except for KMGH's squirrel-powered transmitter (with the apparent "too many people are watching, time to die" feature. :D)

In reality, as long as you have line-of-sight to downtown you should be able to receive CBS and NBC; whether you can receive WB and FOX depends on how close to the foothills you are; the fact that you can get the Lookout Mountain analogs bodes well for your ability to receive the Lookout digitals as well.

As others have stated you also won't be able to get channel 12's digital signal; Squaw Mountain is shadowed by the foothills, and around here you can't get it if you're much west of US 287.

dr_mal,

I seem to remember you posting that UPN 20 might have some interesting news on the HD horizon. Can you let the cat out of the bag (perhaps a date) or are you still sworn to secrecy?
Here's what I know:

They ARE going HD from Republic Plaza. Relatively soon. I was asked not to give a date (in case something out of their control happens). I don't think I'll get in trouble for saying that their target date is sometime in 2005. Good enough?

Last I heard, they're waiting for a part from Germany.

Here's what I know:

They ARE going HD from Republic Plaza. Relatively soon. I was asked not to give a date (in case something out of their control happens). I don't think I'll get in trouble for saying that their target date is sometime in 2005. Good enough?

Last I heard, they're waiting for a part from Germany.

Thanks for the update.

The profile to RP isn't beautiful, but not much worse than some I just posted, and you're still below the antenna elevation. Remember what Ernie said about line of sight not being the only criteria.
You've got a little hill towards Lookout, but otherwise a pretty clear shot.Thanks gakon!

Ernie's letter made it to the paper. Scroll to the bottom of the page.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_4120709,00.html

Since UPN is working to get their transmitter working on RP, I went to the UPN website to see what they offer in HD. It appears that UPN only offers programming from Monday thru Friday. On Wednesday, Thursday and Friday UPN airs Top Model and WWE Smackdown, both are not in HD.

This got me dreaming, UPN used to broadcast AVS and Nuggets games. Since they will not have access to HD content from UPN on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, is it possible for UPN20 to work a deal with Altitude to provide UPN20 with the HD AVS and Nuggets games on these days? UPN20 could carry their traditional programming line-up on their NTSC channel (like PBS does after 3pm).

Just a dream I guess.

Matt

Last I heard, they're waiting for a part from Germany

A flange?

A flange?Nice quote, especially as your very first post!!!! You're on the right track.

Since UPN is working to get their transmitter working on RP, I went to the UPN website to see what they offer in HD. It appears that UPN only offers programming from Monday thru Friday. On Wednesday, Thursday and Friday UPN airs Top Model and WWE Smackdown, both are not in HD.

This got me dreaming, UPN used to broadcast AVS and Nuggets games. Since they will not have access to HD content from UPN on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, is it possible for UPN20 to work a deal with Altitude to provide UPN20 with the HD AVS and Nuggets games on these days? UPN20 could carry their traditional programming line-up on their NTSC channel (like PBS does after 3pm).

Just a dream I guess.

Matt

I was thinking the same thing. It would be a great opportunity for Altitude to distribute their HD programming OTA. The Pepsi Center has state of the art HD capabilities, no sense in letting them go to waste. Altitude is a new network trying to build a following in Colorado and this should help them do that.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_4120709,00.html
Way to go Ernie!

One thing that's pretty obvious, is that thanks to sCARE everyone(including them) loses.

So, what's the moral of the story?
....jc

Since UPN is working to get their transmitter working on RP, I went to the UPN website to see what they offer in HD. It appears that UPN only offers programming from Monday thru Friday. On Wednesday, Thursday and Friday UPN airs Top Model and WWE Smackdown, both are not in HD.

This got me dreaming, UPN used to broadcast AVS and Nuggets games. Since they will not have access to HD content from UPN on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, is it possible for UPN20 to work a deal with Altitude to provide UPN20 with the HD AVS and Nuggets games on these days? UPN20 could carry their traditional programming line-up on their NTSC channel (like PBS does after 3pm).

Just a dream I guess.

Matt

I'm actually curious about this also. Is Comcast going to be the only place where we can get HD Nuggets, and Avs games? Is Dish or Directv going to dedicate a channel to these. (Don't they do it for some other local sports channels?)

I'm really trying to avoid getting Comcast, but if it's going to be the only way I can get decent local HD channels, along with Nuggets, and Avs in HD I might not have any choice. (It would be nice if comcast had an all HD package that you could get, and thats it. for say 10-15 bucks a month)

BTW - I've been lurking for quite a while on this forum, and following the story as best I can. It's really to bad that the vocal minority ruins it yet again for the silent majority. Especially since the silent majority really has no idea that it's been ruined. If that makes any sense.

And the silent majority still thinks that digital cable/satellite = High Definition ... ignorant.

Local government is very corrupt, especially Jeffco. If you want to change things, you need to run for office, win and then start making your own deals.

3.5 million front range folks won't get DTV ... but those 15-30 home owners can rest assured that they won't have an antenna to worry about. Since when is one worse than 3 ?

Thank you very much.....:)

I was wondering if anyone can get KMGH from Stapleton. I'm new to all of this, but I will be purchasing my first HDTV very soon. Just to see if I can get OTA HD from my house, I tried the following at my home: a Dell 20" LCD monitor connected to a LG LST-3510A HDTV Tuner/DVD Player and the Jensen TV931 HDTV Indoor Amplified Antenna. I think I got everything except for KMGH. Is anyone getting OTA KMGH in Stapleton? I'd be willing to try a large directional antenna from my attic if it would help. But my hubby said no to an outdoor antenna -- too unsightly.

My lat/lons are:

LAT: 39.7582
LON: -104.8849

I am near 29th and Yosemite.

On a side note, I want to get the new HP 65" 1080p DLP (due to the potential of a 1080p HDMI input), but hubby thinks that one is ugly... isn't it usually the wife who complains about the way the TV looks??? :D

Here's what I know:

They ARE going HD from Republic Plaza. Relatively soon. I was asked not to give a date (in case something out of their control happens). I don't think I'll get in trouble for saying that their target date is sometime in 2005. Good enough?


Why would they not put it on Mt. Morrison? Their zoning allows it (for the current tower, not just the new "horizontal tower"), and there is space in the building, as far as I know. Even the same strength broadcast from Morrison would cover a much larger area.

This makes more sense to me, given their recent setback (no pun intended).

-Wabisabi

Another interesting tidbit. The only commisioner who voted yes was McCasky who represents district 2. You guessed it Lockout Mountain is in district 2.

Newbie here. I just have some general reception questions.

I have had an HD ready tv for quite some time now and have been waiting on the tower to be built like many here. Obviously that isn't going to happen.

I am in North Greeley.
I recently purchased the 80 dollar radio shack receiver. I got 1 channel, Fox. Now to my knowlege its a 480p signal and not 1080i. I get it at like 95% signal strength.

I get 2 at 50% as well as a few others. This is with a smaller size multiple element antenna in the attic.

I took the receiver back because I only got 1 channel but Im rethinking this now. If I got a better antenna do you think I would have any chance of getting WY HD? That was 49-50% as well. Even if I just get the 1 digital channel in 480p I think I may go back and get the receiver again. It was pretty damn clear.

Do they broadcast anything from fox in 1080i? Football, is it widescreen?

thanks.

JEFFCO SUCKS0rz

City of Golden (http://www.ci.golden.co.us/News.asp?NewsID=254) article. After what just happened I wonder how much they are willing to pay. Their timing couldn't have come at a worse time. Not only do you turn our tower down now you want our land. Not so fast.

City of Golden article. After what just happened I wonder how much they are willing to pay. Their timing couldn't have come at a worse time.

As Cartman would say. "Tree huggin' Hippies"

Those towers have been up there for 50 some years, and just now they are getting the sudden cramping in their pants to get rid of them, because they want a "scenic backdrop" I think they should make the School of Mines take down there "M" also. And what about all of their fire and police towers. Better take them down also. All that stuff adds clutter up there. Can't have that <sarcasm>

Newbie here. I just have some general reception questions.

I have had an HD ready tv for quite some time now and have been waiting on the tower to be built like many here. Obviously that isn't going to happen.

I am in North Greeley.
I recently purchased the 80 dollar radio shack receiver. I got 1 channel, Fox. Now to my knowlege its a 480p signal and not 1080i. I get it at like 95% signal strength.

I get 2 at 50% as well as a few others. This is with a smaller size multiple element antenna in the attic.

I took the receiver back because I only got 1 channel but Im rethinking this now. If I got a better antenna do you think I would have any chance of getting WY HD? That was 49-50% as well. Even if I just get the 1 digital channel in 480p I think I may go back and get the receiver again. It was pretty damn clear.

Do they broadcast anything from fox in 1080i? Football, is it widescreen?

thanks.

JEFFCO SUCKS0rz
Fox 31 (I assume that's what you were getting) has a couple hours of HD in primetime on most evenings. Depending on the week, they will have one or two HD games of NFL football each Sunday. And of course there are the MLB playoffs and World Series coming up real soon.

Fox (and ABC) uses 720p rather than 1080i as its HD format. Each of the two formats has its advantages, which have been debated endlessly on other threads.

Why would they not put it on Mt. Morrison? Their zoning allows it (for the current tower, not just the new "horizontal tower"), and there is space in the building, as far as I know. Even the same strength broadcast from Morrison would cover a much larger area.

This makes more sense to me, given their recent setback (no pun intended).

-Wabisabi
That is an interesting question.

Obviously, their long term plan is (was?) to have UPN 20 (SD and HD) on the consolidated LCG tower.

Their Morrison tower, IIRC, isn't (wasn't?) supposed to come down until the LCG tower was built, so it would be as "permanent" as Republic in terms of a temporary transmitter.

Perhaps they just want to be able to use the synergy of having the other local stations' expertise with Republic. Since they're already in the LCG partnership with 2 of the other 3 stations on Republic, I'd imagine the engineers and GMs of the stations are more friendly than I'd expect given that they're essentially competitors.

Here's what I know:

They ARE going HD from Republic Plaza. Relatively soon. I was asked not to give a date (in case something out of their control happens). I don't think I'll get in trouble for saying that their target date is sometime in 2005. Good enough?

Last I heard, they're waiting for a part from Germany.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not the DREADED FLANGE again!!!!!!!!!

Newbie here. I just have some general reception questions.

I have had an HD ready tv for quite some time now and have been waiting on the tower to be built like many here. Obviously that isn't going to happen.

I am in North Greeley.
I recently purchased the 80 dollar radio shack receiver. I got 1 channel, Fox. Now to my knowlege its a 480p signal and not 1080i. I get it at like 95% signal strength.

I get 2 at 50% as well as a few others. This is with a smaller size multiple element antenna in the attic.

I took the receiver back because I only got 1 channel but Im rethinking this now. If I got a better antenna do you think I would have any chance of getting WY HD? That was 49-50% as well. Even if I just get the 1 digital channel in 480p I think I may go back and get the receiver again. It was pretty damn clear.

Do they broadcast anything from fox in 1080i? Football, is it widescreen?

thanks.

JEFFCO SUCKS0rz
Flood,

There is a forum for Northern Colorado - you might get more info there:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=199726&page=26&pp=20


Fox is HD - not 480. The football games are quite good to watch. You can also get CBS (Broncos) from Cheyenne Channel 5 - but their HD has lots of issues.

Reggie

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not the DREADED FLANGE again!!!!!!!!!

Republic Plaza installation... KCNC... 4 years ago... I remember, I remember!

At least KMGH has never had flange problems.

Actually, your post is ON TOPIC, it's the rest of us who are off.

You won't be able to get ABC-HD with any kind of antenna. The ABC-HD signal from Denver is pitifully weak, transmitted from a low-rise office building, and on the same frequency as a low-power religious station in Boulder. If ABC-HD is a must have read no further, just call Comcast.

You also won't get KBDI digital, but no big loss - they aren't doing any HD.

Your chances of getting Fox and WB HD are excellent unless you are hard up against the foothills. Your condo-mounted antenna OUGHT to work although your statement that it doesn't get Fox well now is a concern; if it doesn't, then you can try a simple indoor antenna like the Zenith Silver Sensor.

The real question is whether you will be able to get NBC, CBS, and PBS-6, all of whom broadcast from the top of Republic Plaza in Denver. Davidson Mesa is a major obstacle for the south and east sections of town. Even at that, you will almost certainly need a good OUTDOOR antenna oriented with a clear LOS to the southeast. I am able to get all of these stations, but I live NE of the city on a bit of a hill with a valley between my house and Davidson Mesa.

Hope this helps.

Oxothuk, thanks for your help. Bottomline, in my case, is to wait another 5 years or so until TV stations get serious about broadcasting DTV. Maybe HDTVs will be more affordable for my income then.

On a side note, I want to get the new HP 65" 1080p DLP (due to the potential of a 1080p HDMI input), but hubby thinks that one is ugly... isn't it usually the wife who complains about the way the TV looks??? :D
The dreaded wife, yea absolutely! :p

A 65" screen is awfully large! Unless you have a large viewing room, you might think a bit smaller. I can say this because I have a 65 incher, and the best viewing is probably about 20' from the screen. And, due to the speaker layout, we sit about 1/2 that distance away. Kinda like sitting in the 1st row at a theater.
....jc

I am in North Greeley.
I recently purchased the 80 dollar radio shack receiver. I got 1 channel, Fox. Now to my knowlege its a 480p signal and not 1080i. I get it at like 95% signal strength.
$80 huh? I'll have to check it out.
I took the receiver back because I only got 1 channel but Im rethinking this now. If I got a better antenna do you think I would have any chance of getting WY HD?
Absolutely! KGWN is one of my most reliable stations. The best receiver available will only perform as good as the antenna system to which it's connected. Think antenna 1st, then receiver.

Do they broadcast anything from fox in 1080i? Football, is it widescreen?
oxothunk pretty much answered that. Except for some PBS shows(on weekends) I don't know of anybody broadcasting 1080i in Denver. If there is somebody else, who is it? As far as widescreen goes, if it's a true HD broadcast(not SD material on a digital channel), they are all widescreen.
....jc

Except for some PBS shows(on weekends) I don't know of anybody broadcasting 1080i in Denver. If there is somebody else, who is it?

I believe everyone broadcasting HD from Denver except ABC and FOX are broadcasting in 1080i (ie. CBS, NBC, WB, and PBS when they're doing HD.)

I believe everyone broadcasting HD from Denver except ABC and FOX are broadcasting in 1080i (ie. CBS, NBC, WB, and PBS when they're doing HD.)
I stand corrected. However, I've never seen NBC or WB2! :p

And, the only broadcasts that really stood out, were the ones on PBS! :(
....jc

At least KMGH has never had flange problems.

KMGH has found that duct tape was adequate to hold up that coat hanger (except it came unstuck last Monday).

Newbie here. I just have some general reception questions.

I have had an HD ready tv for quite some time now and have been waiting on the tower to be built like many here. Obviously that isn't going to happen.

I am in North Greeley.
I recently purchased the 80 dollar radio shack receiver. I got 1 channel, Fox. Now to my knowlege its a 480p signal and not 1080i. I get it at like 95% signal strength.

I get 2 at 50% as well as a few others. This is with a smaller size multiple element antenna in the attic.

I took the receiver back because I only got 1 channel but Im rethinking this now. If I got a better antenna do you think I would have any chance of getting WY HD? That was 49-50% as well. Even if I just get the 1 digital channel in 480p I think I may go back and get the receiver again. It was pretty damn clear.

Do they broadcast anything from fox in 1080i? Football, is it widescreen?

thanks.

JEFFCO SUCKS0rz

Hey Flood!

It's not pretty here in Greeley, but you absolutely should get a good signal on KGWN (CBS) out of Cheyenne. The problem is they have been very flakey with their signal lately. Sometimes good, sometimes breaking up a lot.

Fox 31 should also come in with no problem. They are strong out of Denver and also have a repeater in FtC so between the two you will be able to get Fox.

So Sunday NFL and SEC Saturday football are good.

KWGN (WB2) and KBDI (PBS) are also stations you should be able to get, but KBDI doesn't do HD, so no need to bother there.

I know you've read this thread, so obviously abc isn't worth mentioning. I was able to get Channel 9 (nbc) for about an hour - but nothing before or since.

Good luck and let me know if I can help at all...

Newbie here. I just have some general reception questions.

I have had an HD ready tv for quite some time now and have been waiting on the tower to be built like many here. Obviously that isn't going to happen.

I am in North Greeley.
I recently purchased the 80 dollar radio shack receiver. I got 1 channel, Fox. Now to my knowlege its a 480p signal and not 1080i. I get it at like 95% signal strength.

I get 2 at 50% as well as a few others. This is with a smaller size multiple element antenna in the attic.

I took the receiver back because I only got 1 channel but Im rethinking this now. If I got a better antenna do you think I would have any chance of getting WY HD? That was 49-50% as well. Even if I just get the 1 digital channel in 480p I think I may go back and get the receiver again. It was pretty damn clear.

Do they broadcast anything from fox in 1080i? Football, is it widescreen?

thanks.

JEFFCO SUCKS0rz

KDVR-DT and KFCT-DT (Fort Collins) are native 720P during most FOX network shows and upconverted 720P at all other times.

dtv4u

Has anyone else had problems with KDVR lately? The past 2 days it has been unwatchable with the video constantly freezing and the audio only coming in for a few seconds then a bunch of pops and silence.

I am still getting a 90 signal strength on both of my tuners (hr10-250). I rebooted my receiver as well but it didn't make any difference. Everything else (WB, NBC, CBS, KBDI, etc.) all come in fine despite being lower in signal strength.

I'm just curious if anyone else is having any problems as all my connections are fine, my signal strength is great (the same it always has been for KDVR) so I have no idea why all of a sudden it is problematic - with the exception that their may be something wrong with their broadcast.

And to make things more strange - 22-1 which usually breaks up on me pretty bad seems to be coming in just fine!

KMGH has found that duct tape was adequate to hold up that coat hanger (except it came unstuck last Monday).

Nah, they wouldn't use duct tape, too expensive. They're probably using store brand (not the fancy 3m stuff) masking tape.

Has anyone else had problems with KDVR lately? The past 2 days it has been unwatchable with the video constantly freezing and the audio only coming in for a few seconds then a bunch of pops and silence.

I am still getting a 90 signal strength on both of my tuners (hr10-250). I rebooted my receiver as well but it didn't make any difference. Everything else (WB, NBC, CBS, KBDI, etc.) all come in fine despite being lower in signal strength.

I'm just curious if anyone else is having any problems as all my connections are fine, my signal strength is great (the same it always has been for KDVR) so I have no idea why all of a sudden it is problematic - with the exception that their may be something wrong with their broadcast.

I'll check into it.

dtv4u

Farjo08, I've been experiencing the same thing. Glad it's not just me.

Farjo08, I've been experiencing the same thing. Glad it's not just me.

Glad to hear that - so the speak. I figured it had to be a problem with KDVR as everything else (including CBS which I only get about 65 signal strength) is coming in just fine. 22-1 is working great for me now - never really watch it in the evenings as I watch 31-1 but when I have tested it (in the afternoons) it's usually pretty bad but coming in just fine now. Good thing I get Fox West from DTV so I can record Malcom and Killer Instinct from the DTV feed.

City of Golden (http://www.ci.golden.co.us/News.asp?NewsID=254) article. After what just happened I wonder how much they are willing to pay. Their timing couldn't have come at a worse time. Not only do you turn our tower down now you want our land. Not so fast.

Thanks Leonard, inspired me to fire off this email to Mike Bestor's previous response to me.


Wow – you really don’t get it, do you? Your attempt to acquire Lake Cedar Group’s land will fail, because it is baseless. That property isn’t even within the City of Golden’s city limits.

Golden city officials, the JeffCo BCC and CARE have now ensured that the metro area will continue look at the same tower configuration for years to come instead of the improvements you could have had via a reduction in total number of towers. Instead, you have delayed the FCC mandated rollout of digital television and ensured that the Landscape on Lookout will not improve. When the analog cut-off date passes, the towers will switch from NTSC to ATSC, which despite what CARE thinks, is the same service. The trio of Golden, CARE and the JeffCo BCCs haven’t done anyone, not even those who stood to gain property value from tower removal, any favors.

I look forward to another intelligent response from you like the one you posted below. Did you coach Auburn and Congrove on their same one word responses at the hearing? They clearly knew what they did was wrong when they didn’t give any justification for their votes of no, and cleared the room so quickly that they couldn’t be pressed for an explanation. They ignored Judge Jackson’s reason for sending it back to them and voted no despite the incontrovertible facts that were laid out by LCG. It was shown without a doubt that cascading tower collapse simply could not happen as had been suggested.

People in office are there to represent the majority, not minority special interests. Corruption catches up with every politician…

Yes, I'm also experiencing audio and video problems tonight with KDVR-DT via both cable and OTA. The DirecTV (SD) feed is OK though. I've set my D*HDTivo to record Killer Instinct from the Fox West (LA) feed so will check it later but when I took a quick look at the Fox West (LA) feed earlier it was OK while KDVR-DT was having fits!

And now I get no signal on it.... Definately a problem on their end.

farjo08,

You mention that you are receiving 22-1. When I tune my Dish 811 to DT 21, it remaps to 31-1, not 22-1 (as it should). The problem I've experienced is ongoing with KDVR/KFCT with breakups. I think it's caused by my Dish 811 trying to decode both DT21 and DT32 at the same time since they both remap to 31-1. Is your receiver actually remapping KFCT DT21 to 22-1 rather than 31-1?

farjo08,

You mention that you are receiving 22-1. When I tune my Dish 811 to DT 21, it remaps to 31-1, not 22-1 (as it should). The problem I've experienced is ongoing with KDVR/KFCT with breakups. I think it's caused by my Dish 811 trying to decode both DT21 and DT32 at the same time since they both remap to 31-1. Is your receiver actually remapping KFCT DT21 to 22-1 rather than 31-1?

Glad I checked with AVSFORUM...I thought there was some problem with FOX digital
on my end. Fox is full strength one second, nothing gthe next.
Problem persists at 11:55 pm Friday nite.

farjo08,

You mention that you are receiving 22-1. When I tune my Dish 811 to DT 21, it remaps to 31-1, not 22-1 (as it should). The problem I've experienced is ongoing with KDVR/KFCT with breakups. I think it's caused by my Dish 811 trying to decode both DT21 and DT32 at the same time since they both remap to 31-1. Is your receiver actually remapping KFCT DT21 to 22-1 rather than 31-1?

Yes, it maps them seperately. The feed on 21-1 is KCFCT while 31-1 is KDVR - so two different feeds.

I was in Denver this past week. I saw the Denver Post article from Wednesday about the vote for the tower. That's ridiculous. Anyway, 16th Street Mall is nice. We stopped at Rock Bottom, among other places. It was too short of a visit. Good luck with the tower.

I've got a radio shack UHF only yagi antenna that I'm no longer using (model 15-2160) that anyone here can have if they want to come pick it up. I'm just south of 6th Avenue off of Sheridan. Otherwise, it just gets folded up and put in the garage rafters... :)

Anyone else having issues with 16.1? Good signal strength but breaking up and no audio. Same on 16.2.

Great, so no HD for the Broncos game on KCNC (4.1) ????

Looks like they are taking after KMGH.... :mad:

And right now it looks like no HD Nascar either.

Anyone else having issues with 16.1? Good signal strength but breaking up and no audio. Same on 16.2.

Same issue here with my H-10 receiver.

Same issue here with my H-10 receiver.

One of the best races to see in HD, too. Oh well. Must be tower karma.

Great, so no HD for the Broncos game on KCNC (4.1) ????

Looks like they are taking after KMGH.... :mad:
Nope, the game isn't broadcast in HD :(

I can't get KCNC today, so I'm watching it on KGWN. And the CBSW game is the Chargers vs the Pats(in HD), so I guess I do have a choice. :rolleyes:
....jc

And right now it looks like no HD Nascar either.
Hmmmm. It's in HD on NBCW. :confused:

No Nascar HD on NBC for me. Thought for a second it was me but I'm getting 88% signal. I've been waiting three weeks to see some Nascar in HD. grrr.

Nope, the game isn't broadcast in HD :(



I guess a Broncos game isn't important enough for CBS to waste money on by broadcasting in HD.

I cant believe NBC would just go Dark for ... two and a half hours now.

I guess a Broncos game isn't important enough for CBS to waste money on by broadcasting in HD.
CBS does 3 games a week in HD out of the six they broadcast. Same as last season.

Fox, OTOH, does virtually all of their games in HD.

CBS does 3 games a week in HD out of the six they broadcast. Same as last season.
And next year hopefully, they all will be in HD!

No Nascar HD on NBC for me. Thought for a second it was me but I'm getting 88% signal. I've been waiting three weeks to see some Nascar in HD. grrr.

It's worth seeing....this is the first race since NBC/TNT took over that I haven't watched in HD. I get TNT from E*, and actually that's better since they also have 5.1 sound. I'm sure they'll have it fixed for next week at Kansas.

I'd be willing to try a large directional antenna from my attic if it would help. I'm far from an antenna expert, but it doesn't seem like you've got much of a shot. There are a lot of other factors than line of sight, but with KMGH's no power/no antenna setup, it could be very difficult. Others have had some luck with pointing their antennas up a little - if there is some signal strength in your direction, you might get something.

As for your TV, we have a 61" DLP, and I don't find it's too large from 10' away. We probably could have a 65" without a problem. That TV IS a bit odd looking, by the way. The front panel inputs are a neat idea, but, to paraphrase another post, it's got Dumbo ears AND a J. Lo butt.

Hey again all,
finally pulled the trigger on my sammy dlp (trying to determine whether or not the WAF will hold out because of the rainbows,) and of course i'm having a time getting ABC at my place, i live on the 4th floor of an apt complex just east of I-25 off monaco and iliff..(think yale exit I-25) and right now i haven't got much for an antenna, trying to decide if it's going to be worth getting a better small indoor would help to pick this up, we are watching more and more abc this year and it would be great if we could pick up it's apparently micky mouse signal. Any thoughts?

I'm far from an antenna expert, but it doesn't seem like you've got much of a shot. There are a lot of other factors than line of sight, but with KMGH's no power/no antenna setup, it could be very difficult. Others have had some luck with pointing their antennas up a little - if there is some signal strength in your direction, you might get something.
That's the most pathetic thing that I've seen so far. Did they dig a hole to put their building in? Someone should send that profile to the FCC. Don't they have to attempt to get their signal out? I mean why did they even spend the $0.99 to buy the coat hanger?

Remember 210 days till SHVERA mandated signal tests. ;)

...AND a J. Lo butt.
Uh, does it come with....Never mind.
....jc

...and right now i haven't got much for an antenna, trying to decide if it's going to be worth getting a better small indoor would help to pick this up, we are watching more and more abc this year and it would be great if we could pick up it's apparently micky mouse signal. Any thoughts?
You might get lucky like me, and you might not. However, just to increase the odds, I'd think bigger. Try getting a CM 4228 and hanging it on a wall. If it clashes with the decor, cover it with a tapestry or something.

Actually, from what I've heard, Minnie was quite happy with his 'signals'. :o

Pre,
Thanks for the idea, i'll check into something like that, just kinda funny that i'm only 5.1 mi from the tower and i can't get it. There's a huge vhf/uhf antenna right above my unit on the complex, maybe i'll try and talk the maintenance guy into re-hooking it up for me ;)
i just don't want to have to give more of my blood to comcast unless i REALLY have to you know?

Did they dig a hole to put their building in?
Since the total change in elevation is only 126', if there's any height to their building, then it might actually clear that "hill". But the FCC web site http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=40875 shows the following:

Polarization:
Effective Radiated Power (ERP): 1.91 kW ERP
Antenna Height Above Average Terrain: 20.3 meters HAAT
Antenna Height Above Mean Sea Level: 1624. meters AMSL
Antenna Height Above Ground Level: 0. meters AGL

The heights don't exactly match the TOPO program. If the antenna height is truly at ground level, and ground level is 1624 meters (5328 feet), then the program is wrong, since it shows an elevation of 5250'. If the program just has an offset, then the profile is probably reasonable (meaning that KMGH is in a hole). If the web site is incorrect with respect to 0 meters AGL but the 1624 meters is correct, then the hole is not quite as big. If it's the latter, waltzonice may have a better shot of getting ABC OTA.

The web site also includes this plot, which I believe is a representation of signal strength (1 = max available). It illustrates one reason why reception of KMGH is generally better to the south, and also indicates that waltzonice, with ~67° azimuth from KMGH, is at one of the weakest points on the plot.

mattn6 - your profile to Republic Plaza doesn't look great, but remember that the top of the building is over 700' above ground, and the antenna is even higher. So you should have a shot.

Thanks Gakon! I think I need to crawl up on the roof and take a shot.

# Matt

KL,

If you've read any of this thread, there really isn't a definitive answer to your question. What works for one person may or may not for another. It's just trial & error, pain & suffering, wasted time & money... etc.

But... I hooked up a Channelmaster 4228 for my dad at his condo at Iliff & Parker Rd which is further out and slightly in a valley than you and he gets KMGH fine there. I did mount it on the roof which helped.

Why can't the public send comments into the FCC and simply state that the digital spectrum that KMGH is using is not really using and yank thier broadcast license.

Since their response is go to cable (not available in N. colo) then remove the broadcast license from them and allow someone else to acquire the channel that will actually invest in OTA.

Anybody else see the commercial on KMGH about them renewing their license with the FCC? Apparently, consumers can comment on whether KMGH has been "serving the public interest".

Anyone else having issues with 16.1? Good signal strength but breaking up and no audio. Same on 16.2.

I was having video pixelation and audio drop outs Sunday morning, They were to bad to watch and when I checked in the evening I had no signal on 9.1 and 9.2. When I checked around 9:00 pm they had it fixed for the most part. I still noticed a real quick audio drop out, Just one or two words about every 20 seconds, Video looked good. I haven't had time to check today yet. Anyone else notice anything?

After the news last night, 9.1 disappeared. In fact, it dropped off my channel list on my Dish 811. I did a scan and found them on 16.1. Apparently the PSIP info went south.

from my recollection, they had no alternatives. The other commisioners terms were up and they couldn't run again. Would you want to run for a BCC position and have to deal with C.A.R.E. constantly calling you a child killer for voting against their point-of-view?Yes.That's it! Ernie for County Commissioner in 2009!
Can you get the T-shirts made up?! ;)

(Geez -- Go away for few weeks and everything goes in the crapper!)

After the news last night, 9.1 disappeared. In fact, it dropped off my channel list on my Dish 811. I did a scan and found them on 16.1. Apparently the PSIP info went south.

Both 16.1 and 16.2 were back on this morning but didn't remap to 9.1 and 9.2. I also have the 811. Maybe we can get an answer as to what the problem was if they are monitoring this thread?

Were the Comcast people effected as well?

I was having video pixelation and audio drop outs Sunday morning, They were to bad to watch and when I checked in the evening I had no signal on 9.1 and 9.2. When I checked around 9:00 pm they had it fixed for the most part. I still noticed a real quick audio drop out, Just one or two words about every 20 seconds, Video looked good. I haven't had time to check today yet. Anyone else notice anything?

Yes, they did bring it back in time for most of Crossing Jordan. I also had the audio dropout problem you described.

Don

Were the Comcast people effected as well?
The TV was on, but I wasn't actually watching. I know we were getting audio dropouts, but I think we were still getting programming after the 10 pm news was over. We might have still been getting dropouts during this mornings newscast, too.

I talked to Don at KUSA this morning. He told me that they lost part of their non-redundant microwave transmission system yesterday morning, and that he hopes to have it fixed by primetime tonight.

Now that I have an LG LST-4200A STB, I use its on-air program guide at times. Why is it that Channels 4, 6, and 9 don't see fit to broadcast programming information like all the other local DTV channels do? Even little old Channel 53 in Castle Rock!

Wow, quoting myself, a true sign of something related to age. Anyway, as of last night I noticed that programming information is now provided by all stations except the leader in HD, Channel 9-1, KUSA. Of course, KRMA, channel 6-1 only provides "HD Programming" as the description of their evening programs. I guess they don't know what they are broadcasting any more than we do. :D

Of course, KRMA, channel 6-1 only provides "HD Programming" as the description of their evening programs. That doesn't count, in my book.


I seem to recall that KUSA was transmitting real EPG information some months ago but then stopped doing so.

I talked to Don at KUSA this morning. He told me that they lost part of their non-redundant microwave transmission system yesterday morning, and that he hopes to have it fixed by primetime tonight.
Thanks for the update Mark (and Don).

I think the only NBC program I've got scheduled to record tonight is Surface - it'd be nice if the signal's back in time for that.

It's not pretty here in Greeley, but you absolutely should get a good signal on KGWN (CBS) out of Cheyenne. The problem is they have been very flakey with their signal lately. Sometimes good, sometimes breaking up a lot.

Fox 31 should also come in with no problem. They are strong out of Denver and also have a repeater in FtC so between the two you will be able to get Fox.

So Sunday NFL and SEC Saturday football are good.

KWGN (WB2) and KBDI (PBS) are also stations you should be able to get, but KBDI doesn't do HD, so no need to bother there.

I know you've read this thread, so obviously abc isn't worth mentioning. I was able to get Channel 9 (nbc) for about an hour - but nothing before or since.

Good luck and let me know if I can help at all...

Well I got a $27 40" radioshack UHF antenna and the $95w/tax radioshack receiver. I currently know I get Fox out of Ft collins (repeater?) and I get CBS out of Cheyenne. Fox 95% and CBS 75%.

I was so happy that I got those 2 channels that I didn't rescan to see what else I got. So thats for tonight. on Antennaweb I see that there is a channel 11.1 out of WY too. Do you get that signal? I was going to try tonight as well as a total rescan to see if channel 2 comes in.

Also can I just hook up my 2 antennas in the attic with a 2 into 1 splitter?

on Antennaweb I see that there is a channel 11.1 out of WY too. Do you get that signal?

A while back I was able to pick up 11.1 plus a bunch of subchannels, but there was no sound. Then it vanished completely, and I don't think it has returned since (though I haven't made an attempt to find it again in months.) If I remember correctly it carried some music video channels, an Asian channel, and a shopping channel.

KKTU-DT 11.1 ABC CHEYENNE WY

so maybe its nothing inportant, but it said ABC so I figured..well....

Anyway, as of last night I noticed that programming information is now provided by all stations except the leader in HD, Channel 9-1, KUSA.
As of right now, KUSA-DT is back up WITH a fully populated EPG.

KKTU-DT 11.1 ABC CHEYENNE WY

so maybe its nothing inportant, but it said ABC so I figured..well....

I picked this up also. The ABS feed was from gillette Wyoming and I think the music channel was VH-1

Santella,
Thanks for the ideas, I browsed this forum and figured that I would check in quickly to see how locals have been able to find it, i've got too much A.D.D. to read all 418 pages! I'll probably try to get something online this week and report my findings.
thanks

Ok, this is getting annoying.


Is FOX having problems now?

Having to watch Prison Break in SD =\

KKTU 11-1 is no longer ABC. It's new call letters are KDEV and it carries independent programming, mostly old sitcom reruns like Mayberry RFD, Brady Bunch, etc. It simulcasts analog 39 in Denver with 16kW of ERP in SD only. I read somewhere that it eventually will be the digital station for KDEV 33 analog in Cheyenne, which is Spanish language. I do receive the 33 and 39 analog stations but I do not receive DT 11.

Ok, this is getting annoying.


Is FOX having problems now?

Having to watch Prison Break in SD =\

I would have to say Yes. After watching Raw I went to watch Prison Break which I recorded and it started about half way though the show - with a lot of pixelation at the beginning of the recording. I just set the Tivo to record it off of FOXW (DTV) - so I would have to say Fox is having trouble again. I haven't checked Kitchen Confidential yet - so not sure when the problems started but it appears to be OK now.

Sounds like both KTVD amd KMGH will both join the others on RP by year end. I exchanged a few emails with Mr. Brown and he said the ABC "signal will be comparable to the other local stations operating from Republic".

If they can solve the juice or legal issues on RP, we might get full-power quicker.

Sounds like both KTVD amd KMGH will both join the others on RP by year end. I exchanged a few emails with Mr. Brown and he said the ABC "signal will be comparable to the other local stations operating from Republic".

If they can solve the juice or legal issues on RP, we might get full-power quicker.

Have you had any prior experience with Mr. Brown?

Ron, I know that you have been a great contributor to this forum for a number of years and your opinion holds a lot of weight in my eyes, so I ask you this: do you belive Mr. Brown is on the level or is this smoke induced rectal stimulation?

-MattF

Sounds like both KTVD amd KMGH will both join the others on RP by year end. I exchanged a few emails with Mr. Brown and he said the ABC "signal will be comparable to the other local stations operating from Republic".

If they can solve the juice or legal issues on RP, we might get full-power quicker.

Could be that they expect final approval on Lookout any day now, and that tower construction will take 4-6 weeks.

(please note that I am being very cynical...)

Don

If KTVD and KMGH are, at this late stage, now planning to move to Republic Plaza, that sounds like very bad news to me.

KTVD could build on Morrison where they are now, and KMGH-DT 17 could co-locate on Morrison with KRMA-DT 18. Both could be full power that way, or at least have much better elevation and coverage. This would not mean that either of them need stay there forever (if the economics are poor), just as they wouldn't need to stay on RP forever.

IMO, it is much too late to be putting new toy transmitters on RP. Naturally, I feel that way in part because all of the RP stations look exactly like KMGH to me--on the air in theory only. And Comcast has done nothing to help so far either.

Mark

KTVD could build on Morrison where they are nowThere has to be some reason they cannot modify that tower for another antenna. I bet a constuction permit by the Commissioners would be required, and we all know what would happen there?

Have you had any prior experience with Mr. Brown?

Ron, I know that you have been a great contributor to this forum for a number of years and your opinion holds a lot of weight in my eyes, so I ask you this: do you belive Mr. Brown is on the level or is this smoke induced rectal stimulation?I had met Cindy Velasquez and Ed Quinn (prior KMGH GMs) in person, but I do not know Mr Brown or have any prior experience with him (or his backside :D ). I have no reason not to beleive that they will be on RP in a few months. They will be at the same power as the others.

My comment about full-power RP was meant as semi-sarcasm. I just meant that the way things or going (or not going, actually) at the mountain sites, RP could become a "permanent" solution if they could just turn up the power.

As Mark points out, we could take this as bad news -- or actually confirmation of what we are already aware of: LCGII may be dead, and at this point, the stations may just wait 3 years for analog cutoff.

My comment about full-power RP was meant as semi-sarcasm. I just meant that the way things or going (or not going, actually) at the mountain sites, RP could become a "permanent" solution if they could just turn up the power.

As Mark points out, we could take this as bad news -- or actually confirmation of what we are already aware of: LCGII may be dead, and at this point, the stations may just wait 3 years for analog cutoff.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad: :mad: :mad:

There has to be some reason they cannot modify that tower for another antenna. I bet a constuction permit by the Commissioners would be required, and we all know what would happen there?
I'm not so sure, Ernie. My memory being what it is, I'm not 100% sure of this, but I thought back when the Morrison hearings were going on that KTVD had nothing stopping them from doing HD from their existing Morrison tower. The reasons they hadn't done it were:

a) no UPN-HD content
b) LCG2 was perceived to be not so far away, and KTVD didn't really have the money to put up a temporary transmitter, especially given argument a)

Now that both those arguments are defunct, I'm a little puzzled.

Altitude-HD update (I know this isn't OTA, but :p )

Altitude-HD will be channel 664 on Comcast. 40 HD Avalanche games, 38 HD Nuggets games. They claim that's more than any other regional sportsnet. I'm not sure about that (I think Philly's Comcast Sportsnet does all home games in HD for example), but it's what they told me.

Altitude-HD has been offered to D* and E*. So far, neither provider has accepted their offer. Altitude is still trying to get satellite carriage for Altitude-HD, though.

I asked them about partnering with UPN20 to carry the HD games on UPN20's digital channel. The person I talked to had not heard that suggestion before, and was going to take it to a VP for consideration. She did say that the games are so expensive to produce, that they wouldn't want to pay UPN to carry their game.

Lemme do some digging and see if I can get a comment from UPN on the same question.

Altitude-HD update (I know this isn't OTA, but :p )

Altitude-HD will be channel 664 on Comcast. 40 HD Avalanche games, 38 HD Nuggets games. They claim that's more than any other regional sportsnet. I'm not sure about that (I think Philly's Comcast Sportsnet does all home games in HD for example), but it's what they told me.

Altitude-HD has been offered to D* and E*. So far, neither provider has accepted their offer. Altitude is still trying to get satellite carriage for Altitude-HD, though.

I asked them about partnering with UPN20 to carry the HD games on UPN20's digital channel. The person I talked to had not heard that suggestion before, and was going to take it to a VP for consideration. She did say that the games are so expensive to produce, that they wouldn't want to pay UPN to carry their game.

Lemme do some digging and see if I can get a comment from UPN on the same question.


This is great news, when will it be available on Comcast?

This is great news, when will it be available on Comcast?
Excellent question - one which I forgot to ask :o

A coworker informed me that 664 is actually InHD1, so I'd assume that whenever Altitude produces their first HD Avs game, it'll be up.

Altitude-HD update (I know this isn't OTA, but :p )


Altitude-HD has been offered to D* and E*. So far, neither provider has accepted their offer. Altitude is still trying to get satellite carriage for Altitude-HD, though.



I really, really hope this happens. I just don't want to give up my Directv, but it's looking more and more like I might have to. Nuggets, Avs, and all local channels in HD along with ESPN. If they had TNT in HD that might be the straw that tips the teeter totter.

Although I keep waiting to hear about Directv and their HD plan with MPEG4, and all that stuff. I just have this odd feeling that when I switch to Comcast 2 months later I'll probably want to switch back to Directv. Decisions, Decisions!!

Anyone know any good info on Directv's big HD plan (especially how it relates to us Denver folks)?, or a good place to find info?

This is great news, when will it be available on Comcast?


I talked to Altitude yesterday also. I asked them to update their website about HD and which games. They did say the first 4 home games will be on Comcast in HD.

LCG2 as we know it today is still not officially dead. I am sure they are very busy working on their next move whatever that might be. With this still the case UPN20 and KMGH are planning their next move based on the way things stand today. It would also make one think they are figuring that full power is still way out.
Remember it ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Anyone know any good info on Directv's big HD plan (especially how it relates to us Denver folks)?, or a good place to find info?

There is some info you might want here http://www.dbstalk.com/

I have heard D* will provide HD locals early next year But I don't know if that is good information.

So, for those who do get the current KMGH signal, has your signal returned to exactly what you had before the MNF fiasco or is it slightly degraded from your prior best reception?

Mine has not fully returned. Video blank spots and audio dropouts are now much more frequent. My Dish 811 was drawing a 61 to 63 signal in the evenings before, now I'm 60 to 61. Before I spend more time messing w/ my setup to get a point or two of signal back, I'd like to know if others are seeing their old KMGH signal or not. Thanks.

My KMGH signal has improved. On my Dish 811, I used to receive it at 83%-85%. Last night, I noticed it was coming it at a consistent 91%. I actually thought KMGH may have (probably accidently) done something after the MNF fiasco that improved my reception because my reception of Republic stations has remained unchanged.

Don't forget the power of cheese... uh, I mean leaves. That might effect your signal strength.

I just checked KMGH. I have a HD Tivo. I used to get the signal at 59-61 and it is now 48-51. It is still strong enough that I haven't noticed any dropouts to speak of. Other Republic stations also appear a little lower but not by much.

All of my other OTA DTV channels are actually running a few points higher than they were a couple of weeks ago. I'm now getting Channel 53-1 (46) at 38 miles at 87. Only KUSA at 10 miles beats that with low 90's.

As Ernie said, it must be the leaves. Or maybe the coat hanger got bent a little more in my direction.

Sounds like both KTVD amd KMGH will both join the others on RP by year end. I exchanged a few emails with Mr. Brown and he said the ABC "signal will be comparable to the other local stations operating from Republic".

If they can solve the juice or legal issues on RP, we might get full-power quicker.

Well, this is awful news for Northern Colorado. I guess we're not really part of a DMA when it comes to digital. What's really lousy is that no one (ABC, NBC) will give us HD waivers, even though they make NO attempt to reach us. BS.

I'm not so sure, Ernie. My memory being what it is, I'm not 100% sure of this, but I thought back when the Morrison hearings were going on that KTVD had nothing stopping them from doing HD from their existing Morrison tower. The reasons they hadn't done it were:

a) no UPN-HD content
b) LCG2 was perceived to be not so far away, and KTVD didn't really have the money to put up a temporary transmitter, especially given argument a)

Now that both those arguments are defunct, I'm a little puzzled.

To the best of my knowledge, you are correct. The support building is not full, but the tower may be. If that is the case, it may require multiplexing to get this done, or re-arranging the antennas a bit. It can't be as simple as we think, can it?

-Wabisabi

Wow, quoting myself, a true sign of something related to age. Anyway, as of last night I noticed that programming information is now provided by all stations except the leader in HD, Channel 9-1, KUSA. Of course, KRMA, channel 6-1 only provides "HD Programming" as the description of their evening programs. I guess they don't know what they are broadcasting any more than we do. :D

As of February 1, 2005 the FCC requires that the program guide be operational.

My KMGH so called signal is definitely worse since the Monday night mess. Before I had a relativitly good lock on my HR10-250. Now it drops out and breaks up every 15 to 30 seconds.

I hope the move to republic for them is true because I get a solid signal on 4, 6 and 9 digital.

Well, this is awful news for Northern Colorado. I guess we're not really part of a DMA when it comes to digital. What's really lousy is that no one (ABC, NBC) will give us HD waivers, even though they make NO attempt to reach us. BS.

So... what are us lemmings in Northern Colorado suppose to do? Buy the locals from D* in order to get them in HD. Comcast up here sucks no HD, and they quote, " don't know when we will have HD available". Did get the CBS westcoast feed and FOX westcoast from D*, but as stated above (ABC,NBC) no such waivers WHY???? gettin really PO'd

As of February 1, 2005 the FCC requires that the program guide be operational.

Well, maybe the stations follow this forum thread because everybody is doing much better at keeping the program guide populated. The exception still being KRMA, which bounces back and forth between no data and a generic "HD Programming" listing. Of course the FCC getting on a PBS station is like picking on the "little sisters of the poor", so they probably get a pass on this.

My KMGH so called signal is definitely worse since the Monday night mess. Before I had a relativitly good lock on my HR10-250. Now it drops out and breaks up every 15 to 30 seconds.

I hope the move to republic for them is true because I get a solid signal on 4, 6 and 9 digital.

So it does appear that there is a continuing problem or that the problem created a chronic problem issue. Anyone have the email address for the engineering manager at KMGH?

Of course the FCC getting on a PBS station is like picking on the "little sisters of the poor", so they probably get a pass on this.Well, the little sister of the little sister (KBDI) manages to keep up a program guide for three separate streams, while our flagship PBS station for the Rocky Mountain region can't do it for one.

But on the positive side, at least KRMA is still carrying a full bit-rate stream for 9 hours per day. Lots of PBS stations elsewhere have dropped their HD feed in order to save a few pennies.

So it does appear that there is a continuing problem or that the problem created a chronic problem issue. Anyone have the email address for the engineering manager at KMGH?

As KMGH is getting worse, KUSA signal is about 10% higher on my 921 since there repairs last Sunday. :)

I sent emails to Channel 7 and Channel 9 about the lack of HD for Northen Colorado. I got a very quick response from both. I have been questioning why they can not put their signals on Lookout Moutain like Channel 2 and Channel 12 - which can be received in Fort Collins. This whole HD thing is so hard to understand and get all the facts. At least most of you Denver area folks are in better shape than us Northern Co peons.

If you want to see their response so far you can see my posting here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=199726&page=27&pp=20

I sent Rick Craddock, engineering manager at KMGH, an email about the reduction in signal strength. I am now seeing occasional breakups. If you want to send an email, his address is Rick_Craddock@kmgh.com.

I got the following response from Rick:

Thanks for your comments Dennis. Our power is at 85% vs 100% at this time to achieve the best EVM out of the transmitter. We are investigating other transmitter locations for temporary use.

Rick Craddock

His comment about other transmitter locations was a response to my comment hoping they could get up on Republic until LCG II is resolved. I don't understand lowering power to get the best EVM, but hey, they must know what they are doing. Right?

, but hey, they must know what they are doing. Right?Yeah, as far as saving a buck, or their job -- but not as far as serving the public. :mad:

I got the following response from Rick:

Thanks for your comments Dennis. Our power is at 85% vs 100% at this time to achieve the best EVM out of the transmitter. We are investigating other transmitter locations for temporary use.


Now I'm totally confused (unless it is the leaves), because I too am getting KMGH with the highest signal strength I've ever had, and have been since the landmark 'Monday Night Meltdown'.

Maybe if they reduce their power to 50%, they'll reach Kansas! ;)

Anybody know what the "EVM" is that KMGH refers to?

Error Vector Magnatude... The lower the better...

Its used to indicate the accuracy of the modulation levels ( The 8 steps in 8-vsb).

By running the transmitter at a lower power it allows for more headroom so the data symbols can be reproduced accurately.. EVM affect the reception and decodability fo the signal much more than the lower RF output.. The signal meters in the settop boxes use EVM as well as signal strength to deterime the reading.

EVM really stands for "Exact Voltage to the Mice" in the transmitter. If you send the mice too much voltage, they get tired faster, thus, less revolutions on the 'ol power wheel. ;)

Let's see, 85% of 1,910 watts is 1,624 watts, now it is less than my wife's big hair dryer.

I suspect something else is afoot here, like some expensive equipment item is on its last legs and lowering the power buys them time before it is O/A. Otherwise I can't see why they would suddenly lower their anemic ERP to optimize some other parameter, after running the same way for at least a couple of years.

Something in their system started to fail on Saturday, 9/24/05, and gave out completely during MNF on 9/26/05. They've patched together a fix to avoid being off the air completely, but they can't resume their prior operating mode because their system can't handle it. Sounds like a money issue or maybe they don't want to spend money on the current setup until they figure out what they want to do longer term.

Meanwhile, my KMGH reception really sucks. Almost as bad as not being able to receive them at all, which is where I was up until early September. Grrrrrrr!

Can't wait for the new episode of LOST tonight.

/sarcasm
Especially with the FIVE SECOND sound delay that is currently on the George Lopez show.
/sarcasm

Come on KMGH, does tweaking the EVM really affect the Dolby Digital sound THAT much, or is this just some other piece of your equipment failing?

Man, KMGH really sucks. I just called their news desk and asked for engineering to report the messed up audio video delay of several seconds! Got a recording! Called back and told the girl that somebody better fix the sound before Lost starts or they are going to have a lot of unhappy people. I hope the problem is on Comcast as well so at least a lot of people will complain.

And, I really do get more breakups now with their lower signal strength. I could care that EVM is high (whatever that really is) cause it doesn't help me.

What a TV cow town. I am pi$$ed!

Anybody know what happened to KBDI? Both their analog and digital signals have been non-existent for at least 12 hours now.

What a TV cow town. I am pi$$ed!
The real problem is the FCC(which leads to an even bigger problem which is ?). Instead of trying to promote digital TV, they've done exactly the opposite.

It's really very simple...

Everybody gets a waiver until the local affiliate is broadcasting at High Power!

And, people can only loose the waiver once the affiliate is at High Power, and the person is not within the coverage map for that station. If the person loses the waiver and still can't receive the station, the waiver can be immediately restored, and only a signal test can remove the waiver.

Ah, enough of this. I've got a new private battle with KXRM. They may have the right to deny a waiver(only to retain a monopoly), but they are fighting a battle that they will surely lose(unless they want to put a digital 'translator' station up here).

207 Days till Shreva mandated HD signal tests!

....jc

5 minutes of no sound whatsever on LOST in HD, then reverted back to SD after a commercial. :mad:

Way to go KMGH.

relieving, as i thought it was my dvr, but it was some key stuff we missed there.

So, I am going to try an explain my situation but I need help before Monday Night Football. I have directv with an HD10-250 receiver. I have two satellites in and an antenna OTA in. I live in Wash park near Bonnie Brae ice cream.
Ok so
Last week I had one satellite in to my Hd10-250 and the OTA antenna. The Antenna is on top of my house and the signal is sent via the same cable as my directv. There is a silver box where the two cables converge and then a silver box when the two cable split before going into the Direct tv unit. Up until last Monday night Football game I had a 65% signal strength. Then, of course, on the Monday I was not able to get a signal from ABC OTA. I had a tech come out and install another line from my satellite and check the antenna. (FYI the antenna that I have is huge...I which I could be more specific, but its big with a v shaped end unit and lots of fingers coming off of it.......great description but doing my best.) When we enabled the second signal to the HD10-250 I also got two signal strengths for the OTA stuff. ON the 7-1 channel ABC....I get on the top signal strength 65% but bottom signal strength it jumps from 5 to 70%. Never constant. We tried moving the antenna to get a higher strength but could not. PLEASE HELP!!! It seems strange as to why I have a constant good signal strength on one and a crappy one on the other??? Any ideas, signal booster anything I am over looking. Monday NIght Football is 4 days away....heck its the only reason I put that metal sculpture on my roof.
Thanks
Cheers
H

I suspect something else is afoot here, like some expensive equipment item is on its last legs and lowering the power buys them time before it is O/A. Otherwise I can't see why they would suddenly lower their anemic ERP to optimize some other parameter, after running the same way for at least a couple of years.


Well no doubt the flange is giving out, and they are on backorder from Germany, behind the order from KTVD. Another $400,000 down the drain!

Anybody know what happened to KBDI? Both their analog and digital signals have been non-existent for at least 12 hours now.

For as long as I can remember, every time there is bad weather KBDI digital goes out first then analog. It usually takes a few days for someone to drive up to Squaw Mtn. and brush the snow off the dishes. :D

The KMGH reduction in signal makes enough of a difference so they are unwatchable with my 6' long yagi in Littleton. :mad:

Just to confirm, the broadcast of Lost was all messed up on Comcast, too. No sound for the first five minutes (HD), they switched to SD after the first set of commercials and the sound returned. They tried to switch back to HD briefly after about 40 minutes or so, but the sound disappeared, and back to SD it went.
I'm sure my mom won't be proud, but I wouldn't mind a bit if it cost KMGH a ton of money to remedy the problem, based on my understanding of how much effort KMGH has made to provide HD, either OTA or cable. Even though I don't watch much on ABC, if this persists (I did not DVR any other ABC shows tonight) I may start bugging Comcast for a refund, since they're not providing us the HD we're paying for. Maybe they'll put some pressure on KMGH, too.

The Audio during all of Invasion was fine for me.

hrada, the problem is with your HD Tivo. I have the same problem with my first Tivo. I never bothered to exchange it when it was under warranty. Now I have a new second Tivo and it works fine on both tuners. If yours is still in the first year warranty, ask D* for a replacement. I wish I had.

As to KMGH, we Tivoed Lost using their crappy SD signal from D*. They should be ashamed of the crummy product they deliver.

I didn't watch KMGH tonight - watched the Avs lose instead. But I just checked their signal and I'm receiving a solid 90%, so I'm in the minority with UHForever, etc. My signal has definitely improved since the MNF debacle.

Maybe someone can lend some light on this, but it's my understanding that the blazing 1,610 ERP KMGH is apparently pouring onto the metro area isn't even close to what a hair dryer draws in wattage. I believe the actual power fed to a transmitter is amplified on the scale of 8:1 to 10:1 to reach ERP, much like a volume control works on a stereo. If that's the case, HD transmissions are really costing KMGH the equivalent of about two 75 watt light bulbs. If they relocate to Republic, maybe they can find a cheap 15 kW ERP transmitter on eBay from one of the hundreds of stations that went full power on July 1.

If you want reliable reception of MNF/ABC you need to go Canadian. If you want KMGHs signal, then Comcast can do that.

The Canadians have a choice in US Network feeds, and somebody here used to have the setup.

Anybody know what happened to KBDI? Both their analog and digital signals have been non-existent for at least 12 hours now.

Yes, I saw that last night and this morning also. You beat me to the post, but I don't have any idea as to what the story is. I didn't see anything in the Rocky this morning about it.

Let's see, 85% of 1,910 watts is 1,624 watts, now it is less than my wife's big hair dryer.

I suspect something else is afoot here, like some expensive equipment item is on its last legs and lowering the power buys them time before it is O/A. Otherwise I can't see why they would suddenly lower their anemic ERP to optimize some other parameter, after running the same way for at least a couple of years.

Something in their system started to fail on Saturday, 9/24/05, and gave out completely during MNF on 9/26/05. They've patched together a fix to avoid being off the air completely, but they can't resume their prior operating mode because their system can't handle it. Sounds like a money issue or maybe they don't want to spend money on the current setup until they figure out what they want to do longer term.

Meanwhile, my KMGH reception really sucks. Almost as bad as not being able to receive them at all, which is where I was up until early September. Grrrrrrr!


Actually the RF level is not as important as producing a clean signal. I suspect they discovered that they were clipping the 8-VSB. This distortion would eat up the error correction in the signal so there would be none left for the reciever to use to correct for multipath or interference.

Actually the RF level is not as important as producing a clean signal.

By whose measurement? As has clearly been stated, some people are worse off (such as myself) and some are apparantly better off. I guess we would have to poll all 13 of us that used to get KMGH to see what the status is. I don't care if the signal number is lower IF there are few breakups. You can either watch the picture or not. What technical issues are behind a watchable picture is irrelevant. The other Denver stations are at least making a fair attempt to give a reasonable signal from Republic or Lookout.

The real issue is that we are having to put up with a station that goes cheap and doesn't really care about the OTA public, plus an FCC who doesn't have the courage to challenge stations like this to do a better job for the public no matter what the local political zoning climate is.

The real issue is that we are having to put up with a station that goes cheap and doesn't really care about the OTA public, plus an FCC who doesn't have the courage to challenge stations like this to do a better job for the public no matter what the local political zoning climate is.They not only impact the HD OTA public, but impact the HD Cable public. Which is likely a larger population. Though I think the stations are between the preverbal rock and a hard place. Thank you very much sCare, Jeffco county commissioner and the shity of Golden.

How hard can it be for KMGH to get this right...let's see - they've now had 3 major fiasco problems in the last week during three of their most popular broadcasts...MNF, Alias last week, and now Lost last night. The other stations combined have had that many problems in the last year.

KMGH has been broadcasting the longest of any Denver station...whatever the reason, it's inexcusable and incomprehensible...

By whose measurement? As has clearly been stated, some people are worse off (such as myself) and some are apparantly better off. I guess we would have to poll all 13 of us that used to get KMGH to see what the status is. I don't care if the signal number is lower IF there are few breakups. You can either watch the picture or not. What technical issues are behind a watchable picture is irrelevant. The other Denver stations are at least making a fair attempt to give a reasonable signal from Republic or Lookout.

The real issue is that we are having to put up with a station that goes cheap and doesn't really care about the OTA public, plus an FCC who doesn't have the courage to challenge stations like this to do a better job for the public no matter what the local political zoning climate is.


Once the signals RF level is above the receiver threshold the additional RF only give fade margin. The rest is up to the equalizer and demodulator to recover the data stream.

All receivers have an AGC circuit ( Automatic Gain Control) to adjust the amount of internal amplification used to lock and recover the data. Dropping the transmitter power by HALF has the same effect as adding a two way splitter to your receiver. I'll bet the real problem is more terrain related (due to lack of antenna height) as you may be locking onto a reflection.

From the "Lost" debacle, it still sounds like Comunist-cast is getting their KMGH signal OTA and then re-transmitting it over cable. I wonder who pays for installing a fiber line from KMGH to the cable head-end?

I'll bet the real problem is more terrain related (due to lack of antenna height) as you may be locking onto a reflection.
You may be right as my antenna is pointed approximately 30 degrees west of LOS to their actual station tranmsitter. The ONLY reason I have an antenna (80 in YAGI on 12 foot pole) is to get KMGH! And I can only get it in one spot pointing exactly the right direction to maximize the signal.

Nevertheless, it has worked for 3 years and now breaks up so much it has become unwatchable. THAT is unexcusable.

From the "Lost" debacle, it still sounds like Comunist-cast is getting their KMGH signal OTA and then re-transmitting it over cable.
Couldn't the problem have been further upstream in KMGH's HD processing equipment, such that it affected both an antenna transmission and a fiber link? I'm asking out of ignorance, not questioning anyone's expertise.

You may be right as my antenna is pointed approximately 30 degrees west of LOS to their actual station tranmsitter. The ONLY reason I have an antenna (80 in YAGI on 12 foot pole) is to get KMGH! And I can only get it in one spot pointing exactly the right direction to maximize the signal.

Nevertheless, it has worked for 3 years and now breaks up so much it has become unwatchable. THAT is unexcusable.


Your on a reflection... anything goes when your peaked them.. A window washer can affect your reception..

An 80 inch yagi is going to have a very narrow beamwidth and very high gain..

Ran across this and had to share...

No doubt some rare mouse was killed too.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051006/ap_on_re_us/bird_kill

Ran across this and had to share...

No doubt some rare mouse was killed too.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051006/ap_on_re_us/bird_kill

Even more reason to reduce the number of towers on Lookout. But apparently (s)care doesn't want tower consolidation.

Actually the RF level is not as important as producing a clean signal. I suspect they discovered that they were clipping the 8-VSB. This distortion would eat up the error correction in the signal so there would be none left for the reciever to use to correct for multipath or interference.

As one of my old Engineering AGMs used to say, "doesn't pass the ho ho test!". Reflected signals or not, KMGH-DT operated the same for years. Same equipment, same tower, same output strength, and same XX% of their DMA that couldn't receive their OTA digital signal.

Suddenly, years later, after an event, they find they have to change their operating procedure? For what purpose? To cut off their signal from half of those few who receive it, to improve it for some who had a steady locked signal and weren't complaining except to want better audio, which apparently has gone into the toilet dispite their reduced power? No something in the system is failing or failed and the reduced output is compensation to allow them to stay on the air until its either fixed or an alternative can be implemented.

As has clearly been stated, some people are worse off (such as myself) and some are apparantly better off. I guess we would have to poll all 13 of us that used to get KMGH to see what the status is. I don't care if the signal number is lower IF there are few breakups. You can either watch the picture or not. What technical issues are behind a watchable picture is irrelevant.

Amen!

Let me hazard a guess... did they just get cable carrage of the digital somewhere?

Even more reason to reduce the number of towers on Lookout. But apparently (s)care doesn't want tower consolidation.

It wasn't the tower, it was the guy wire. What if one of those birds has severed the guy wire on impact and the whole tower came crashing down? :eek:

What if one of those birds has severed the guy wire on impact and the whole tower came crashing down?I never thought of that! Maybe those two JeffCo commissioners really were smarter than they appeared?

Sure, they didn't say publicly, they must have discussed this scenario... What if a member of the Lookout community (sCARE follower with a brain aneurysm, in a wheel-chair equipped vehicle and a talking toaster) suddently swerved off the road to avoid one of those falling birds... hit a guy-wire of the tower... which then caused the tower to fall... and pieces of the flying debris were hurled all the way over to Lakewood due to the hurricane winds caused by Global warming... and hit the Denver Federal records center... and pierced the roof of a building... The building that contained the nuclear reactor (many don't know that they have one)... and started a melt-down... and the entire metro area became uninhabitable for the next 200 years or so!

OK, maybe the Jeffco Commissioners didn't discuss this. ;)

I never thought of that! Maybe those two JeffCo commissioners really were smarter than they appeared?

Sure, they didn't say publicly, they must have discussed this scenario... What if a member of the Lookout community (sCARE follower with a brain aneurysm, in a wheel-chair equipped vehicle and a talking toaster) suddently swerved off the road to avoid one of those falling birds... hit a guy-wire of the tower... which then caused the tower to fall... and pieces of the flying debris were hurled all the way over to Lakewood due to the hurricane winds caused by Global warming... and hit the Denver Federal records center... and pierced the roof of a building... The building that contained the nuclear reactor (many don't know that they have one)... and started a melt-down... and the entire metro area became uninhabitable for the next 200 years or so!

OK, maybe the Jeffco Commissioners didn't discuss this. ;)

I just about had to close my office door I was laughing so hard...

Yes, I saw that last night and this morning also. You beat me to the post, but I don't have any idea as to what the story is. I didn't see anything in the Rocky this morning about it.

It’s the weirdest thing. I’ve never seen them off the air for this long (30 hours so far). I wonder when they’ll be back, because I believe KCNC said they were going to air the John Caldara, Bill Owens debate on KBDI either today or tomorrow, I can’t remember. There’s going to be allot of disappointed people when they tune in only to see snow.

Altitude-HD update (I know this isn't OTA, but :p )

Altitude-HD will be channel 664 on Comcast. 40 HD Avalanche games, 38 HD Nuggets games. They claim that's more than any other regional sportsnet. I'm not sure about that (I think Philly's Comcast Sportsnet does all home games in HD for example), but it's what they told me.

Altitude-HD has been offered to D* and E*. So far, neither provider has accepted their offer. Altitude is still trying to get satellite carriage for Altitude-HD, though.

I asked them about partnering with UPN20 to carry the HD games on UPN20's digital channel. The person I talked to had not heard that suggestion before, and was going to take it to a VP for consideration. She did say that the games are so expensive to produce, that they wouldn't want to pay UPN to carry their game.

Lemme do some digging and see if I can get a comment from UPN on the same question.


dr_mal,
In the programming forum there is a thread about NHL opening night coverage on D*. MnGuy says that D* will show the local RSN's HD feed on the 90's channels if they are also providing the RSN SD feed on some other D* channel.
Has your Altitude contact ever mentioned or considered the possibility of requesting this treatment in our market?

Sorry, forgot the link to the Opening Night CI thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=588310

How hard can it be for KMGH to get this right...let's see - they've now had 3 major fiasco problems in the last week during three of their most popular broadcasts...MNF, Alias last week, and now Lost last night. The other stations combined have had that many problems in the last year.

KMGH has been broadcasting the longest of any Denver station...whatever the reason, it's inexcusable and incomprehensible...

Amen! How hard can this be KMGH? Last night's "Lost" mess was the exact same crap that was occuring during the 'Monday Night Meltdown'. For the love of God Channel 7, PLEASE try to get your poop in a group before tonight's "Alias"!

It wasn't the tower, it was the guy wire. What if one of those birds has severed the guy wire on impact and the whole tower came crashing down? :eek:

Duh, I thought that more towers == more guy wires == more dead birds.

Anyway, don't give Judge Jackson another reason in his final proclamation of a permanent injunction (possible guy wire failure due to collision with ornithological (is that a word?) creatures), not that it matters.

Don

Even more reason to reduce the number of towers on Lookout. But apparently (s)care doesn't want tower consolidation.sCare wants ALL towers GONE period. HMM!?!? May the FCC or SPCA can get a law pass that towers have the fully luminated at night. :D Now they got towers and bright lights. :D Nah! Nah! Nana!

Hi, gakon.
Any chance you can run a profile from these coordinates to RP and Lookout?
They are:
N 38.957615 W 105.12084
Thanks,
Tom

dr_mal,
In the programming forum there is a thread about NHL opening night coverage on D*. MnGuy says that D* will show the local RSN's HD feed on the 90's channels if they are also providing the RSN SD feed on some other D* channel.
Has your Altitude contact ever mentioned or considered the possibility of requesting this treatment in our market?
I can only assume that's what they've asked D* (and E*) for, since they don't have a full-time HD channel yet. Also, that seems to be the way it's working on Comcast - inHD1 becomes Altitude-HD when HD games are on.

I'll make sure to ask specifically next time I call (I don't want to bother them too often).

In all fairness to KMGH, I must report tonight that we just watched Alias with no breakups, good sound and picture. The signal strength is still down from before but, as I said earlier, the true test is whether you can watch the picture without breakups or not.

I sent Rick Craddock a thank you note and told him I hoped they would keep up the good work (whatever they did) and to work on getting a higher powered HD OTA option so that others could enjoy KMGH also.

Flame away if you want, but, for me, they apparantly listened to the complaints based on tonight's performance. Let's hope it stays that way!

In all fairness to KMGH...
In all fairness to all trying to receive KMGH, and failing, I see no reason to give them credit for anything.
I sent Rick Craddock a thank you note and told him I hoped they would keep up the good work...
OMG. Are you for real?

Ok, let's look at it this way. KMGH owns a 2 acre parking lot in a not-so-desirable part of town. They have gone out of their way to provide a 40 watt light bulb to provide light and safety to those that use this lot. Unfortunately, bad things have been happening to those that must use this lot.

The light bulb burns out.

KMGH doing their civic duty realizes that they must replace the bulb. However, it's not a good time, Rat Shack is closed. So, doing their civic duty again, they do what they can and replace the 40 watt bulb with a 25 watt bulb. KMGH is happy again, the problem has been solved. Unfortunately, due to the 'bulb debacle', a few assaults have occurred, and a few cars are missing.

Flame away if you want, but, for me, they apparantly listened to the complaints based on tonight's performance. Let's hope it stays that way!
You are starting to sound like....Oh never mind, I'm not going to cancel my vacation to New Orleans, I hear it's wonderful this time of year.
....jc

As far as I am concerned all Denver HD has failed me. Untill they transmit full power I am up a creek.

Cheyenne is doing a better job for northern CO, that and FOX (ft collins repeater) . Fox sports is my savior. lol

flood,

You might want to seriously consider the Canadian alternative.

Couldn't the problem have been further upstream in KMGH's HD processing equipment, such that it affected both an antenna transmission and a fiber link? I'm asking out of ignorance, not questioning anyone's expertise.

That's exactly what happened.

TPW - I must have missed it...are you no longer receiving the KMGH signal up there where you are?

I sent Rick Craddock a thank you note and told him I hoped they would keep up the good work ... Dennis, you are doing the entire metro area a tremendous dis-service by claiming that you get KMGH-DT with no breakups! ;)

I'm experience a break-up that's lasted 4 years now! :D

First on the page! Woo-Hoo!! It's great to be home.

TPW - I must have missed it...are you no longer receiving the KMGH signal up there where you are?
Oh yea, Load & Clear. But it's not as big of a deal since the local affiliate granted me a waiver for ABCW. Besides, other than MNF, what football does ABC give us anyway? Answer: 3 whole regular season college games. :(

I guess I'm just getting tired of the local stations(Denver & C/S), their attitudes, their arrogance, their incompetence, their BS.

And all of the heroic efforts people are making just to receive these puny signals, and the station's could give a damn. It's like digital broadcasting is such a pain in the ass, that we're the problem?

Whatcha want kid? Uh, could ya 'flip the switch?' Damn you, I was on my coffee break!!! The reason you can't receive our signal is because D* isn't doing their job? Say What?

The more I look at it, it looks like the FCC is the problem. The didn't have the balls to stick with the original analog cutoff date. Instead of swatting down flies like sCARE, they hid. Letting a station broadcast in a city the size of Denver, from a gully, with 1.91kW. These clowns are starting to make FEMA look good.

After a while, ya just get fed up!

Geez, is there something burning? Pike's Peak is gone. :confused:

I also sent Mr. Craddock an email. Polite, but long and pointed. No praise for anything, given what I have endured for a year and a half to get their signal clearly for 3 weeks, but no longer. I have not yet received a reply.

I'm really disappointed in DennisMileHi's action to complement KMGH. Thanks for what? For continuing to broadcast their anemic signal instead of just going off the air? For broadcasting a signal that Dennis can still receive w/o breakups, while half of his forum buddies can no longer do so? I'll complement them when they do something note-worthy.

BTW, KBDI channel 12 analog was on this morning, but the digital channels were still "No Signal". I thought that by now we would have heard something in the local media about whatever the problem is/was.

Geez, is there something burning? Pike's Peak is gone. :confused:
A lot of you are prolly used to my sarcasm, but there was something going on today. For several hours the smoke was so thick that you couldn't see PP. It's gone now(the smoke :) ). I'm not sure if there was a forest fire, or a controlled burn, but something was a burn'in.
....jc

You had my hopes up. :(

If Pikes Peak were gone I could probably get a digital signal from CS ABC. :D

Looks like KBDI-DT is back, and they’ve been busy it seems. I was kind of hoping that when they came back I would be pleasantly surprised with PBS-HD and all of its glory, but no. They’re working on a new channel, “The Documentary Channel”. Sounds kind of interesting, but it’s still not the HD I was told they’d soon be broadcasting in.

It’s a shame, KBDI was my ticket to PBS programming in HD. I guess I'll just have to wait until KRMA is done widening that road...

Hey, I agree. KMGH sucks. I guess I was happy to have Alias back after three years of being able to receive their signal and then having been abruptly shut off from everything. This after all my non trivial efforts to get their HD transmission.

OK. I am definitely in the ranks of the people unhappy with KMGH and their pathetic effort to put out an OTA HD signal. The fact that I can actually get it makes no difference in my opinion of their crummy efforts. So, I truly side with everybody that can't get their HD transmission over the air!! I won't comment further if I can or cannot get it.

As I said a couple of days ago and I still believe, what a TV Cow town! ..primarily thanks to KMGH, sCARE and JeffCo! Sometimes, however, a carrot AND a stick work.

Hello, I am new to this forum and HD.
I have read some of the post and figured out that ch 7 has low power? I get no signal from them, 90 for 31,9,6, 85 for 2 & 70 for 4 I live just south of DIA, 45 & Tower area. Do I need a better ant.. [I have a small one on the roof] or is ch 7 out of the question for me.
Thank You.
Kenneth

Welcome Kenneth,

All the stations in Denver are low-power. 2 at 1/2, Fox at 1/3, 4,6,7,9 are at 1/100 or less. But 7 has no altitude, they broadcast from their rooftop downtown. And their signal strength radiates mostly to the south. I'm not saying absolutely, but I'd say you don't have a very good chance.

Probably the biggest reason to be pissed. Most of us have spent countless hours, buying, trying, testing, repointing, returning, kicking, screaming etc. all because we just don't know... "is it possible" to receive OTA DTV at our homes.

Hello, Kenneth!

I think I can safely say 7 (KMGH) is absolutely out of the question for you.

Welcome Kenneth,

Punch your address info into antennaweb.org. I KMGH doesn't show up at all or shows up as VIOLET, you can probably forget it. If it shows up BLUE, you might have a shot w/ a large directional antenna w/ a pre-amp. But don't get your hopes up.

No response from Mr. Craddock. Locked 7-1 at 61 late last night. Can't hold a lock tonight.

Mooooo!

Welcome Kenneth,

Punch your address info into antennaweb.org. I KMGH doesn't show up at all or shows up as VIOLET, you can probably forget it. If it shows up BLUE, you might have a shot w/ a large directional antenna w/ a pre-amp. But don't get your hopes up.
Lee Corso: Not So Fast!!!!

When I do that I get:"There are no digital stations predicted to serve this location."

Yup, I'm SOL. However, computer simulations are just that: Simulations.

In reality I receive:
4 - KCNC - 50% of the time...
5 - KGWN - 100% of the time...
6 - KRMA - 100% of the time...
7 - KMGH - 100% of the time...
12 - KBDI - 100% of the time...

And strong signals(w/o lock) on KUSA, KDVR & KWGN...

I'm not slamming CEB, but until you try, you never know.
....jc
ps. And a bag of Chicken Bones(shaken) works wonders :p

There must be some favorable atmospheric conditions going on right now. Last night and tonight I have been able to lock KUSA-DT for the most part. I get between 40-60 signal strength on my Echostar 6000. I saw part of 9 News last night in HD for the first time. I started to lose it in the middle of the newscast. It seems pretty steady tonight (Saturday).

I've heard of a few others who have been able to get KUSA-DT occasionally from Ft. Collins, but it is the first time in 4 years that I have been able to do it. Of course, I haven't tried it often, becuase I never had any success. But I noticed that KDVR and KWGN were coming in about 10 points higher than usual, so I decided to give it a try.

I still don't get anything from KCNC-DT or KRMA-DT though.

Mark

IT doesn't even show up on the digital stations just analog on that site, so I guess I'm out of luck on KMGH. Thanks for the help.

Kenneth

Instead of digging through the thousands of posts to find it, I figured I would just ask, since many of you here know where it is?

On Tuesday I arrive in your fair city for about 12 days. I'll be staying at the Adams Mark Hotel, which it seems is just a hop skip and a jump from Republic Plaza. Unfortunately it is farther than that to the Convention Center, where I'll be working (ASTRO convention).

So, just where is the building that contains this famous coat hanger DTV antenna?

I might just take a trip along Lookout Mountain Rd, just to see what all of the fuss was about (I'll have a rental car). Is there a good place to see Denver at night from there? I'll take a wild stab at Lookout Mtn Park.

Thanks for any tips.

Lots of PBS stations elsewhere have dropped their HD feed in order to save a few pennies.

Yep, Wisconsin Public Television in Madison has dropped the PBS-HD feed as well. Saving their pennies. So, at this point in time we have ZERO pBS programming in HD. THey won't be ready to originate local HD content until next spring, maybe. And even then I have no idea what we'll get, as they do not follow the PBS network feeds at all. Milwaukee does, Madison doesn't.

So, don't feel to bad, we are all getting screwed by the budget suts.

Ran across this and had to share...

No doubt some rare mouse was killed too.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051006/ap_on_re_us/bird_kill

Barely a year old and already the tower is in the news. A co-worker told me about the article. I don't get the local paper (long story). So I read the on-line version.

The person who wrote the article never bothered to check his facts. The tower height that he listed is for the tower that was replaced. The new tower is 1248' AGL. With the two antennas at the top, it is 1299' AGL. That is almost 200 more feet of cable to catch those birds.

It wasn't the tower, it was the guy wire. What if one of those birds has severed the guy wire on impact and the whole tower came crashing down? :eek:

It would have to be a damn big bird to take out one of those guy wires. The top three guy wires are 1-7/8". The thinest is 1.5 inches.

As for a vehicle taking out some guy wires, take a look at the support for the top three guy wires for the tower in question:

http://www.vidiot.com/images/TVTower/DSC03102.jpg

While I am fairly certain that a car couldn't take out said footing, it seems like it would be quite possible with a semi-tractor with a fully loaded trailer doing it. One of the footings is at the end of a dead-end street, a straight shot that would allow said tractor-trailer rig to hit it at full speed.

I don't know if the whole tower would come down, but with the sudden release of those guy wires, the other two locations would pull on the top 483 feet of tower and probably snap it right off.

BTW, the station's building is on the same leg side, so the snapped off pieces would land in the baseball fields. Not good during the summer when lots of games are being played after 6pm. The three fields are between the other two legs.

If they were bust out the support for the bottom four guy wires, that would result in the tower coming crashing down, instead of being pulled over. I think each of the 20' sections weighs more than 5,000 pounds, if memory serves me right. There are 61 sections in this tower.

I realise that two postings included sarcasm, but someone could actually cause a tower to collapse real easy and not even get hurt doing it. Has anyone ever heard of a tower being brought down by criminal intent?

They didn't have the balls to stick with the original analog cutoff date. Instead of swatting down flies like sCARE, they hid.

The original cut-off date, as mandated by Congress, not the FCC, requires 85% DTV receivability by the people in the area. Certainly wasn't going to happen in the Denver area. I believe now they are trying to fudge and include those who receive the locals via cable or satellite.

Guess they are now looking at a 2009 hard cut-off date.

On Tuesday I arrive in your fair city for about 12 days. I'll be staying at the Adams Mark Hotel, which it seems is just a hop skip and a jump from Republic Plaza. Unfortunately it is farther than that to the Convention Center, where I'll be working (ASTRO convention).
Hop, skip and jump? No.

Republic Plaza is literally across the street (the 16th Street Pedestrian Mall) from the Adam's Mark. Go out the door, and if you see Starbuck's, that's the base of Republic Plaza.

So, just where is the building that contains this famous coat hanger DTV antenna?
It's atop KMGH's building at 123 Speer Blvd, literally about five minutes from the Adam's Mark.

I might just take a trip along Lookout Mountain Rd, just to see what all of the fuss was about (I'll have a rental car). Is there a good place to see Denver at night from there? I'll take a wild stab at Lookout Mtn Park.
The antennas can be accessed by and spectacular views of Denver seen by driving Lariat Loop road; here's (http://lariatloop.org/) a link to a web site that details the Lariat Loop, but it only takes about three clicks from there to end up at sCARE's web site, so beware. :rolleyes:

Hop, skip and jump? No.

Republic Plaza is literally across the street (the 16th Street Pedestrian Mall) from the Adam's Mark. Go out the door, and if you see Starbuck's, that's the base of Republic Plaza.

You've never hop, skipped and jumped across a street? :)

It's atop KMGH's building at 123 Speer Blvd, literally about five minutes from the Adam's Mark.

I had picked up a MAPSCO laminated map of Denver last night and based upon your location description I found the place. It is even marked on the map. From what I can see, the location is surrounded by East 6th and 7th Avenues and Lincoln/Sherman Sts. Definately not far by car. Can one park in their lot, get a photo and then leave, or is it a gated parking lot?

The antennas can be accessed by and spectacular views of Denver seen by driving Lariat Loop road; here's (http://lariatloop.org/) a link to a web site that details the Lariat Loop, but it only takes about three clicks from there to end up at sCARE's web site, so beware. :rolleyes:

Thanks. It looks like my guess to drive Lookout Mtn Rd is correct, as it is part of the Lariat Loop.

mrvideo
There's several pull outs which view excellent view of Denver and the plains. I hope you have a clear day.

As you've probably figured out by looking at the map and website, the road is quite windy. There are sections with no guard rail. Just keep it between the lines and don't go to fast. You'll be fine. Roads like this tend to intimidate our visitors. :D

I poked around but couldn't find sCare's website. Must be my lucky day. ;)

I saw part of 9 News last night in HD for the first time. I started to lose it in the middle of the newscast.

I know that HD news looks good, but it's probably not worth shedding tears of joy over. :p

BTW, sitting in the studio and watching on the monitors doesn't count as HD? ;)

Is anyone else concerned about KDVR sending an SD feed of TB/Jets? The game was originally HD...and these guys have the Denver game later.

As you've probably figured out by looking at the map and website, the road is quite windy. There are sections with no guard rail. Just keep it between the lines and don't go to fast. You'll be fine. Roads like this tend to intimidate our visitors. :D

Can't be any different than climbing the mountains in CA to get to the observatory. :)

Is anyone else concerned about KDVR sending an SD feed of TB/Jets? The game was originally HD...and these guys have the Denver game later.

Yeah, I'm worrying about it too. Anyone have a contact at KDVR to find out what it going on?

The game seems fine so far. Does KDVR even have control of the HD feed? I thought with the splicer system that FOX uses, if something goes wrong, it’s FOX’s doin’ and not the affiliate.