Yes, John, we know you have Broncos season tickets. No need to rub it in.

:D :D :D

As far as upgrade costs for DirecTV - I have been watching the threads on HD LIL cities at Satelliteguys.us and DBSTalk.com and some are getting free upgrades, some are spending $$$.

With DirecTV's supposed change to lease only who knows.

Yes, John, we know you have Broncos season tickets. No need to rub it in.

:D :D :D

Well, I was going to say that the HD was 'lifelike' and the surround sound 'made you feel just like you were there', but I wasn't sure then how to ask if you could tell on TV how nuts the fans were???? That stadium was waaay over the top compared to any other game played at the new Mile High (Invesco). Personally, I think the crowd noise was one of the major reasons the Pats imploded with all of their mistakes last night. The noise was relentless from the first play to the last. I really wondered if the TV conveyed any of that excitement. Where better to ask but a group of dedicated Denver TV viewers with HD sets and surround systems?

:D :D :D

BTW, let's go Steelers???

John, You could definitely tell there was a lot of noise in the stadium. It came across great and obviously affected the Pats game in the first half. The two fumbles, two interceptions and especially that "grey" pass interference call are what made the game for us. I'm sure you couldn't see these plays as well as we could! (Just trying to rub it back ;) )

http://urlcut.com/fatassn00bcockdotcom823.gifJohn, You could definitely tell there was a lot of noise in the stadium. It came across great and obviously affected the Pats game in the first half. The two fumbles, two interceptions and especially that "grey" pass interference call are what made the game for us. I'm sure you couldn't see these plays as well as we could! (Just trying to rub it back ;) )


lmao! :p

We got some idea of the noise with the surround sound. Plus the announcers kept talking about it.

Looks like we may get see another playoff game at Invesco! Of course it's not over yet. Indy just converted on 4th and 2.

And now they scored. D* (that doesn't mean directv.)

I cant say at 1:30 in the morning, but as of midnight, I had all but KDVT. I saw the KDVT problem about mid afternoon, and was puzzled what was going on (had 60% signal, but LOADS of pixelization, and the audio was trashed).

Here's to hoping the KMGH has better luck getting the gerbils fed, and the coathanger bent correctly before the super bowl. Somehow I still have my doubts.

j


I am pretty new to HD and Comcast so I don't know what the problem is. MileHighJC, we have Mits 52628 and lately we are seeing a lot of pixelation. When we first got installed, it was clear and clean. Is this most likely a TV issue or a Comcast issue?

Just saw a "pro-Lookout" ad on KUSA touting the www.hdtvcolorado.com website and mentioning the small group of people preventing free over-the-air digital tv in Denver. About time!

#9 Myth: If the tallest tower were to fall against Xcel Energy’s power lines, it could result in a fire, or worse create a cascading effect of failing transmission towers down the mountain side in to Golden neighborhoods.

Fact: This is pure fantasy. First of all, the Xcel transmission lines are not within the fall radius of any tower on Lookout Mountain. Just as important, Xcel Energy wrote Jefferson County and said that today’s switching equipment would deaden a severed line before it even hit the ground. The image of sparks from a downed electrical line starting a brush fire on Lookout Mountain is not based in reality.

As to cascading tower failure, the same expert from Xcel told the County Planning Department that the varied terrain on Lookout Mountain would prevent a series of towers falling over. The experts agree that Lookout Mountain and Golden are safe from marauding electrical transmission towers. :D Someone has a sense of humor.

After this weekend's action, it is starting to seem a lot more critical for KMGH to get their new coathanger operational.

Anyone with digital recording capability want to make me a HD copy of next Sunday's game??? I don't have HD recording capability yet, but have a computer up to the playback task with a file. PM me if you can make me a file of the game.

PS
Yes I have tickets already.......thank you Pittsburgh!
:D :D :D

I am pretty new to HD and Comcast so I don't know what the problem is. MileHighJC, we have Mits 52628 and lately we are seeing a lot of pixelation. When we first got installed, it was clear and clean. Is this most likely a TV issue or a Comcast issue?

Don't know much about Comcast myself, cant get a High Def feed from them at my place.

I have a dish 811 receiver, and put a TERK antenna in my attic for OTA reception.
I've had reasonable good luck (i'm in the NW corner of Longmont). KTVD was a pixelated mess late last week (I only looked to make sure I had everything else on Republic Plaza in anticipation of 7 coming live with their shiny new coathanger (hopefully next week).

I see occasional pixelation on 4 during broncos games, for some reason especially on early games. Last night was very clear, no significant problems excepting an occasional audio dropout. Today's Indy game was a different story, I had a lot of pixelation and audio problems (not enough to stop me from watching and go mess with the antenna tho).

I'm anticipating some tweaks needed on my aim when KMGH comes live - KTVD is the weakest of my HD channels - before it went off air I only had a 60-61% signal which I doubt will work out long term.

Not much help for you tho... good luck!

jc

I am pretty new to HD and Comcast so I don't know what the problem is. MileHighJC, we have Mits 52628 and lately we are seeing a lot of pixelation. When we first got installed, it was clear and clean. Is this most likely a TV issue or a Comcast issue?

There is a separate thread for Denver comcast.

Don't know if anybody saw this. I was watching KMGH at 10:35 and they actually had an advertisement for getting support for the LCG application. They even mentioned the NIMBYs and pointed viewers to the HDTVColorado WEB site. Maybe this will be the start of a trend for the rest of the stations!

Let us hope that maybe that this not an aberration and that the general public will finally be informed about the shenanigans with the NIMBYs in Jefferson and their cohorts in Golden.

With the Broncos hosting the championship game at the "New Mile High"; maybe the end of the NIMBY roadblock might be in sight and glorious HDTV may be had without forking over a fortune to the satellite companies and their HD-Lite solution! :)

Seven years into this and my wife stills says I am crazy. Maybe, but there has to be an end this crap someday. I just hope I can live that long.

There is a separate thread for Denver comcast.

DrrD,
I think the forum title says Local HDTV and Reception. You know, there are what, 200 other forums here and it's difficult to narrow this down to just where to put it so it ended up here. I ask the same thing in the Mits forum and am told to go here. Someone please make up my mind. Didn't mean to take up 4 lines of YOUR space.

Hey, I was just wondering if anyone's seen those LCG ads pointing people to hdtvcolorado.com?

[/sarcasm]

DrrD,
I think the forum title says Local HDTV and Reception. You know, there are what, 200 other forums here and it's difficult to narrow this down to just where to put it so it ended up here. I ask the same thing in the Mits forum and am told to go here. Someone please make up my mind. Didn't mean to take up 4 lines of YOUR space.


The title of this thread is "Denver, CO - OTA" (OTA = Over The Air)

The Denver Comcast thread is here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=293562 .

It took you 2 minutes to post to it after your last post on this thread.

The reported issue with "Living with Fran" on Friday evening was an issue with the feed generated by WB.

Dave Martinez
WB2 Colorado
KWGN-TV
2-1

Ok, let's not stoop to nastiness -- just give him the link to the Comcast thread and let's get back on-topic;
how the Broncos are going to humiliate the Steelers and go on to the SB!!!

and let's get back on-topic;
how the Broncos are going to humiliate the Steelers and go on to the SB!!!and how we're all going to see it in High Definition!

Hey, I was just wondering if anyone's seen those LCG ads pointing people to hdtvcolorado.com?

[/sarcasm]

I have confirmed they are showing on 7 and 9. I saw it on channel 9. Neighbor saw it on 7 and called me. Don't know about 20 or 4. Maybe someone can confirm 20 and 4.

I was receiving KTVD from the new Republic Plaza antenna for a few days, but as of 1/14 it has now apparently stopped broadcasting (or at least I stopped receiving it but still get the other Republic Plaza broadcasts). Anybody know what is going on with the KTVD broadcast? And any updates on the start date for KMGH from Republic Plaza?

BTW, did anyone else get to go to the Bronco game? That stadium rocked today like I have never seen. It definitely rivaled the old 'Mile High' today. Did the TV convey any sense of the sound from the stands? What a great game and a great night.

Go Broncos!!!
:D :D :D
Just got around to logging on after the weekend. I was at the game and I am still hoarse. Yes, the crowd definitely influenced Brady's play calling. Yesterday watching the Steelers finally prevail didn't do my voice any good either. But, I will be ready next week for the game! I just hope that the weather is as good as it was Saturday.

I did notice yesterday on both Fox and CBS that they are really cranking up the crowd noise in the surround speakers. Sometimes to the point that the announcers on the center channel are hard to understand clearly.

I haven't seen any of the LCG commercials prolly cause I push my 30 sec skip on the Tivo all the time.

KMGH HD up and running from RP ---- HALLELUJAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the new coathanger is online!

KMGH HD up and running from RP ---- HALLELUJAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the new coathanger is online!
Well, it they are, the signal strength is exactly the same as it was before. Still at 60 on my Tivo.

What made you say this? Kidding???

Well, it they are, the signal strength is exactly the same as it was before. Still at 60 on my Tivo.

What made you say this? Kidding???

I'm southwest of the city at 9700' with line-of-site to RP. I always got all sig's except 7.1, which was always either bad or real poor sig with bigtime breakup. Now signal strength has doubled......pic looks just like 4.1, 9.1. No breakup. What other explanation could there be?

KMGH HD up and running from RP ---- HALLELUJAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the new coathanger is online!
Beam me up Scotty...I forgot, that statement would be fictional...just like your statement.

Beam me up Scotty...I forgot, that statement would be fictional...just like your statement.

Maybe they're doing prelim. testing. Ch 7.1 (hd), 7.2 (sd), 7.3 & 7.4 (blank screen)---all four with real decent sig. strength at my house. One of you guys with a spy at the station----do some spying!

i just checked. still the same at as it's always been at my location. 50-55

Me thinks that 'ol Scott has some premium refer up there. :p

No change for me. I fully expect to lose KMGH when they do move. Also, rescanning did not produce a 7.3 or 7.4. Also, no KTVD at this location at this time.
....jc

I tried rescanning as well, and did not pick up 7.3 or 7.4.

i just checked. still the same at as it's always been at my location. 50-55
same here, signal strength ranges from 00 to 00.

I've still got nothing. Hmmmmm.

Any idea when D* will begin sending the guide information for KTVD-DT?

RonAuger, can you tell me what you are using to receive from RP? I had basically written off receiving anything just outside of Elizabeth and was patiently waiting for D* to roll out Denver HD locals. While that is coming this spring I have read about so many problems with the H20 box I am going to keep my LSS-3200 and get locals OTA

I was receiving KTVD from the new Republic Plaza antenna for a few days, but as of 1/14 it has now apparently stopped broadcasting (or at least I stopped receiving it but still get the other Republic Plaza broadcasts). Anybody know what is going on with the KTVD broadcast? See this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6916431&&#post6916431). They stopped broadcasting as of 1/13/06 around 4PM and are still AWOL -- probably for most of this week.
RonAuger, can you tell me what you are using to receive from RP? I had basically written off receiving anything just outside of Elizabeth and was patiently waiting for D* to roll out Denver HD locals. While that is coming this spring I have read about so many problems with the H20 box I am going to keep my LSS-3200 and get locals OTAI got the largest RatShack yagi they had at the time I bought and put it in my attic (I can see mountains from my attic, so I am pretty much LOS, however about 50 miles away). I have a channel master model 7777 preamp using the UHF only input (even though the antenna is UHF/VHF) and the FM trap switched in. I get KRMA-DT, KUSA-DT, KTVD-DT well above the level needed for a lock, but KCNC is very sketchy -- like watching a slide show sometimes. Every once in a while, at night, it locks. I'd be happy to help you do some trial and error some w/e (as long as it's back to 60°!) As Ernie is fond of saying (and as I have heard from any girl I've ever dated), it is a game of inches.

BTW, not a whiff of the rumored KMGH-DT. They aren't switched to RP yet.

Just saw some of the notes above on KMGwhatever. Same signal strength as always here in Boulder when I checked a few minutes ago......zero....... :(

I wonder if some of the stations are shutting down while KMGwhatever has a crew working on their new coathanger. It is possible that they are physically too close to work on their mast safely if everyone is broadcasting. That may be why they all disappeared a few days ago late at night. I am sure they can work on the transmitters in a cage or room below, but in order to adjust the antenna they are likely standing or hanging in the main beam of some of the other stations. I don't know if some of the antennas are mounted on the same mast or they each have their own. Maybe someone with a telephoto lens can snap a shot like the picture of the old coathanger at KMGwhatever.

KMGH HD up and running from RP ---- HALLELUJAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the new coathanger is online!

Nothing from Longmont. I did see KTVD pop on briefly at around 11:00 this morning, but then it went dead as well.

I've written a new program to monitor my signal levels. Attached is a graph showing the blip that KTVD had this morning. But KMGH is still flat-lined at 0 for me. (The graph is 52 hours wide and the readings are made every 1/2 hour)

B.J. (I hope this upload works)

The title of this thread is "Denver, CO - OTA" (OTA = Over The Air)

The Denver Comcast thread is here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=293562 .

It took you 2 minutes to post to it after your last post on this thread.

Whether it took me 2 mins or 2 weeks, I accidentally posted in the wrong place so crucify me. Freakin' people...

I got the largest RatShack yagi they had at the time I bought and put it in my attic (I can see mountains from my attic, so I am pretty much LOS, however about 50 miles away). I have a channel master model 7777 preamp using the UHF only input (even though the antenna is UHF/VHF) and the FM trap switched in. I get KRMA-DT, KUSA-DT, KTVD-DT well above the level needed for a lock, but KCNC is very sketchy -- like watching a slide show sometimes. Every once in a while, at night, it locks. I'd be happy to help you do some trial and error some w/e (as long as it's back to 60°!) As Ernie is fond of saying (and as I have heard from any girl I've ever dated), it is a game of inches.



Thanks for the offer, I just might take you up on that. (I agree on the temp) Sounds like you are a little west of me, there is a ridge along CR21 that keeps me from seeing the mountains but I am not too far below the top. With whatever the former house owner left in the attic I can only get KUSA-DT but not enough to get a lock. Everybody else is zero

Just saw the commercial on KUSA during Saturday night live.

BTW, did anyone else get to go to the Bronco game? That stadium rocked today like I have never seen. It definitely rivaled the old 'Mile High' today. Did the TV convey any sense of the sound from the stands? What a great game and a great night.

Go Broncos!!!
:D :D :D

The extreme volume of the fan noise in the stadium was very evident in the first quarter when the Pats were confused into 3 "False Start" penalties. After that it was pretty normal until late in the game.

I've written a new program to monitor my signal levels. Attached is a graph showing the blip that KTVD had this morning. But KMGH is still flat-lined at 0 for me. (The graph is 52 hours wide and the readings are made every 1/2 hour)

B.J. (I hope this upload works)

That is cool... would love to see time scale labels - would be very interesting to corelate the trends in the lines with something - weather, time of day, etc.

Where in Longmont do you live? I've in the NW corner, looks like the same relative strengths that I see. When KTVD was up last week, I had about 60% strength showing on my Dish 811 - lowest signal I have seen locked, but it was a MESS... Don't know if that was them having trouble, or whether it was insufficient sig strength. Im mulling the idea of an amplifier before the super bowl if KHGH ever gets their shiny new coathanger operational, and find enough food for the gerbils.

jc

can ANYONE please tell me when KMGH is supposed to be online with the coathanger, I am planning a Super Bowl party only if its High Def, I pick up all other stations from here in Lafayette. Any idea how strong the signal will be? PLEASE HELP !!!!!

I would expect KMGH-DT to start testing their RP xmitter during next week. If you get KTVD-DT (who also won't be back on air until at least this Wed/Thur) or KUSA-DT, you'll probably get KMGH-DT.

I live out by DIA and there's nothing around me but one and two story homes and a whole lot of empty field. Should I try an amplifier? Pardon my ignorance, but I'm not too sure if it will even work with digital signals. If it does, I'm concerned about multi-path issues. Could that by a problem considering the kind of terrain around me? I get 66% regularly on 12-1, 12-2, and 12-3. Everything else is between 77% and 93%. I'm just clinging to the hope that I might be able to pull in 7-1 if they don't have their new transmitter up in time.

Out near DIA, the existing KMGH transmitter is blocked by most of downtown. Your only hope (unless you want to hook up with Comcast) is the move to RP.

Thanks for the info... Let's hope they actually get it right in time!

I wonder if some of the stations are shutting down while KMGwhatever has a crew working on their new coathanger. It is possible that they are physically too close to work on their mast safely if everyone is broadcasting. That may be why they all disappeared a few days ago late at night. I am sure they can work on the transmitters in a cage or room below, but in order to adjust the antenna they are likely standing or hanging in the main beam of some of the other stations. I don't know if some of the antennas are mounted on the same mast or they each have their own. Maybe someone with a telephoto lens can snap a shot like the picture of the old coathanger at KMGwhatever.

JMartinko,

You bring up a number of excellent questions. I can answer one of them, and tell you that KCNC, KRMA, KUSA, KTVD, and yes even KMGH now (although not yet powered up) all have separate 'masts' as you call them, on the roof of RP. In addition to these 5 there are some other antennas on there roof, but I'm not sure as to their purpose. What I can also tell you is that compared to just a year ago the general 'clutter' (masts, etc.) on the roof of that skyscraper has increased drastically. No where near looking like the roof of the Amoco Bldg. on Broadway, but not nearly as 'clean' as it was just 12 months ago. I wonder if this has any bering on OTA reception for some, since we are talking about Low Power?

Additionally, I too noticed the outage on Friday night, starting roughly about Midnight. My first thought was the same as yours, that KMGH was doing some work that required a temporary shut down of the other transmitters. Unfortunately, I have no idea what really happened, and sadly it could have been something as simple as a power outage at RP. Nonetheless, I think your theory makes a great deal of sense.

Not that I care, since I speak only English, but for the first time ever this morning I locked a signal from Channel 51 (KCEC 50-1). They must be testing as, even though I locked the signal w/ a steady reading in the high 60s, there wasn't any video or audio. Wow, another small-time station beats KMGH to the punch. How embarrassing for them.

In the past 10 days, I've experienced two instances of losing all the locking signals from RP. Both lasted only minutes. I'm guessing something was going on related to bringing KTVD and KMGH on-line from RP. Maybe not.

KMGH HD up and running from RP ---- HALLELUJAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the new coathanger is online!


As of 10:30 AM today, I am not able to get it from down by Southwest Plaza.

I get 4.1, 9.1 & 9.2 just fine.

Anybody else try it about the same time and not get it?

I also noticed 6.1 has been "iffy", and not available to me for the last several days. This morning it was fine.

Any suggestions for a rather inconspicuous quasi-omnidirectional rooftop UHF antenna that will allow me to pull from downtown and Lookout Mountain at the same time? My indoor Silver Sensor actually does a pretty good job of it, but I sure want to be able to get 7.1 and the rest when available. Right now, 12.1, 12.2 and 12.3 are MIA.

As of 10:30 AM today, I am not able to get it from down by Southwest Plaza.

I get 4.1, 9.1 & 9.2 just fine.

Anybody else try it about the same time and not get it?

I also noticed 6.1 has been "iffy", and not available to me for the last several days. This morning it was fine.

Any suggestions for a rather inconspicuous quasi-omnidirectional rooftop UHF antenna that will allow me to pull from downtown and Lookout Mountain at the same time? My indoor Silver Sensor actually does a pretty good job of it, but I sure want to be able to get 7.1 and the rest when available. Right now, 12.1, 12.2 and 12.3 are MIA.

Consider a Winegard PR-9018, which has good gain characteristics and a very broad beamwidth. At 50" in length, you can think of it as just a big brother to your Silver Sensor. First try it w/o a pre-amp.

I just finished an interview for News 7, while we were setting up I of course asked the tech about the move to RP.

He told me it was on schedule and that they are planning a test signal this weekend.

Thought you might like to know.

He told me it was on schedule and that they are planning a test signal this weekend.I wonder how/when they'll do that. I mean, they'll have to stop broadcasting from Speer while they are broadcasting from RP, right?

If all fails and you have a TV with a QAM tuner and basic (or better) cable you can get HD from KMGH that way.

I have basic cable (at least temporarily) and a Samsung digital tuner (which I am using for OTA HD). So, does this mean if I split my signal and go into my digital tuner I can get the local channels in HD from Comcast??? Or, do I need a cablecard to do that??? I wouldn't need to be asking this question if I could get good OTA reception from all RP stations (i.e. UPN and soon to be KMGH if they plan on broadcasting at the same low level as UPN).

Speaking of which, is UPN still transmitting on 19? I was close to getting enough signal to receive it prior to this weekend, but since then I am getting nada...

I have basic cable (at least temporarily) and a Samsung digital tuner (which I am using for OTA HD). So, does this mean if I split my signal and go into my digital tuner I can get the local channels in HD from Comcast??? Or, do I need a cablecard to do that??? I wouldn't need to be asking this question if I could get good OTA reception from all RP stations (i.e. UPN and soon to be KMGH if they plan on broadcasting at the same low level as UPN).

ONLY if your Samsung has a QAM tuner. My Sony did not mention anything about a QAM tuner in the documentation, but I disconnected my cable modem, changed my Sony TV to cable TV mode connected the cable, and told it to scan digital channels. KMGH showed up on 89.1. If all else fails, I will be doing this. If you have basic cable, then you should have the local channels (digital/HD) also assuming they have it in your area. Local HD network affiliates are considered part of the basic package I believe.

As of 10:30 AM today, I am not able to get it from down by Southwest Plaza.

I get 4.1, 9.1 & 9.2 just fine.

Anybody else try it about the same time and not get it?

I also noticed 6.1 has been "iffy", and not available to me for the last several days. This morning it was fine.

Any suggestions for a rather inconspicuous quasi-omnidirectional rooftop UHF antenna that will allow me to pull from downtown and Lookout Mountain at the same time? My indoor Silver Sensor actually does a pretty good job of it, but I sure want to be able to get 7.1 and the rest when available. Right now, 12.1, 12.2 and 12.3 are MIA.
12.x are broadcast from Squaw Mountain. Don't worry about them - they don't do any HD, and no other station broadcasts from Squaw.

If you can get 4.1 and 9.1 and 6.1, you should be good to go if/when KMGH goes online from RP.

Speaking of which, is UPN still transmitting on 19? I was close to getting enough signal to receive it prior to this weekend, but since then I am getting nada...
It's been posted repeatedly that KTVD is having technical issues and is offline for a while until they can get them sorted out.

I'm not too anxious about it since they won't be able to broadcast any HD until the May/June timeframe. :(

I have basic cable (at least temporarily) and a Samsung digital tuner (which I am using for OTA HD). So, does this mean if I split my signal and go into my digital tuner I can get the local channels in HD from Comcast??? Or, do I need a cablecard to do that??? I wouldn't need to be asking this question if I could get good OTA reception from all RP stations (i.e. UPN and soon to be KMGH if they plan on broadcasting at the same low level as UPN).

Speaking of which, is UPN still transmitting on 19? I was close to getting enough signal to receive it prior to this weekend, but since then I am getting nada...

I have Comcast only as my internet provider. Like Jack, I've tested splitting the signal before my cable modem, and using the built-in QAM tuner in my Mits. It works fine. But, since I'm a DVR junkie (Directv), and can get KMGH OTA, I don't use it.

I wonder how/when they'll do that. I mean, they'll have to stop broadcasting from Speer while they are broadcasting from RP, right?

:confused: Great question...I was wondering the same thing. I hope this 'changeover' can occur over as little as 24 hours on a throw-away Saturday, with no good ABC HD stuff on, so that our lack of access (for the few of us that can receive KMGH now) to ABC HD will be quick and relatively painless.

ONLY if your Samsung has a QAM tuner.SIR-T451 is the only Samsung tuner with QAM capability.

SIR-T451 is the only Samsung tuner with QAM capability.

I have the SIR-T351 (of course that would be the case) :( . Thanks for saving me the headache of rewiring my system though...

Hmmm, looks like there is a Plan B if KMGH doesn't get their RP operation running smoothly in time for the Super Bowl. It may not be completely honest, but no way am I going to watch our Broncos in the SB in standard definition. No way, no how!

Yes, I'm assuming success this Sunday against the Steelers. I hear that in Pittsburgh they think the Broncos were just lucky to get past the Pats. Well, I think the Steelers were just lucky to get Carson Palmer out of the game on the second play against Cinncinatti.

Hmmm, looks like there is a Plan B if KMGH doesn't get their RP operation running smoothly in time for the Super Bowl. It may not be completely honest, but no way am I going to watch our Broncos in the SB in standard definition. No way, no how!

While you're at it, would you mind climbing up my telephone pole and hooking up my cable as well! :p ;) :D

If you are the leader in HDTV, shouldn't you air the HD content that your network provides?

When KUSA waited to get an ATSC broadcast signal, I was empathetic to their reasoning, since they were waiting for tower approval :rolleyes:

When they got on the air, and were not ready to time-shift HD content, I was thrilled just to have another ATSC broadcast.

When they got their recording device and it kept missing programs, I figured at least they are trying and are one of the first to offer HD news (and an HD helicopter).

I have been a KUSA apologist for long enough. Their track record of errors far outweigh their commitment to HD. They have been broadcasting in HD for over 3 years (I believe), there are no more excuses that are acceptable to me.

At least when WB2 makes a mistake, they take responsibility for the error. I have only seen 1 error from KCNC in the 5 years I've been watching HD in Denver. KDVR never makes a mistake (that I have seen). What the hell is so different with KUSA?

-Matt

BTW... I realize that Fox uses a "splicer" and receive their content in broadcast quality, this may explain why they are successful but the broadcast must still be recorded for MTN time shifting.

Well, at least we know that NBC did not screw-up.

I apologize if this has been recently covered, but the daunting size of this thread (even with searchs) makes it hard to find if this has been discussed recently.

Has anyone here successfully obtained any HD OTA in Castle Rock? I live along Founder's Parkway, near the intersection with Route 86 to Franktown. With my large Radio Shack antenna in the attic, I can pick up WB and Fox.

Anyone able to reach the others - CBS, ABC, NBC, UPN? Not sure if the signal can get over Surrey Ridge from Lookout Mountain. If you can receive those, how did you do it?

Thanks in advance!

Dave M and everyone at WB2:

Thanks for the glitch-free Gilmore Girls last night and Smallville last week. That's what I've come to expect from you guys.

With my large Radio Shack antenna in the attic, I can pick up WB and Fox.

Anyone able to reach the others - CBS, ABC, NBC, UPN? Not sure if the signal can get over Surrey Ridge from Lookout Mountain. WB and Fox are broadcasting from Lookout Mountain. CBS, NBC, PBS, and (real soon now) UPN and ABC broadcast from the Republic Plaza skyscraper in downtown Denver. So it's obstructions to downtown that you need to be concerned with.

I recall seeing one recent post from a Castle Rock resident who was able to pick up ABC from Colorado Springs. So that may be another option for you to get the Super Bowl in HD.

dd2
I live in Castle Pines North and am able to receive all Denver OTA stations with a roof mounted CM 3021 antenna. Channels 4,6,9,20 are broadcasting from the Republic Plaza in downtown Denver and hopefully cahnnel 7 will be there in a week or so. FOX and WB2 are broadcasting from the Lookout Mtn/Mt.Morrison direction. Ithink you have a chance at the downtown stations with a properly aimed roof mounted antenna.
Another option may be Clorado Springs. The CBS station KKTV (11-1), FOX (21-1) are currently broadcasting. ABC KRDO (24-1) can broadcast live HD events (sports!) but not prime time shows because they donn't have the gadget that can time shift yet. NBC KOAA will be up soon, but it does not look good for the Olympics. The CS stations are all broadcasting from Cheyenne Mtn. It looks like an antenna rotator may be in your future.
Good luck and be careful on the roof!

A couple of helpful sites:

http://denverdtv.info/

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6943292#post6943292

Holy Crap! :eek:

I've been lurking in this thread for the past few weeks. I have a Samsung SIR-T451 and I have Basic Comcast Cable (not digitial, no cable box). Am I to understand that I can get the local HD stations through the cable and the SIR-T451? I had no idea! I've conected an antenna to my Samsung SIR-T451 and I get OTA well for everyone but ABC here in central Denver (26th and Monaco). What do I need to do to get the OTA channels through my cable? Do I have to switch something on the Samsung to tell it to look on the cable feed vs. the OTA antenna? I only want to get ABC for the Super Bowl if they don't get there RP antenna working by then. Any step by step instructions for a mildly technical person like myself would be appreciated. Thanks!

daflobber
:)

Here is a link to an article that appeared in the Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3412176) today.

A meeting between the Lake Cedar Group and the city is set for Jan. 26.

"Needless to say, we're a little dismayed that they told us they were willing to negotiate and launched a major television ad campaign against us concurrently," said city spokeswoman Sabrina Henderson.
Ain't life the sh*ts.
....jc

From Denver Post article linked above

[Quote]
Lake Cedar Group spokesman Marv Rockford said Tuesday that the ads are intended to educate viewers about the city of Golden's blockage of high-definition signals in the metro area.

A meeting between the Lake Cedar Group and the city is set for Jan. 26.

"Needless to say, we're a little dismayed that they told us they were willing to negotiate and launched a major television ad campaign against us concurrently," said city spokeswoman Sabrina Henderson. [Quote]


What's to negotiate? Are they just looking to fill their pockets either by the front door (by claiming negotiation) or the back door (thu eminent domain threats)?

I've conected an antenna to my Samsung SIR-T451 and I get OTA well for everyone but ABC here in central Denver (26th and Monaco). What do I need to do to get the OTA channels through my cable? Do I have to switch something on the Samsung to tell it to look on the cable feed vs. the OTA antenna? I only want to get ABC for the Super Bowl if they don't get there RP antenna working by then. I don't know the exact steps for your box, but essentially what you want to do is this:
a) remove your antenna feed to the SIR-T451 and plug the Comcast cable in its place
b) Switch the input mode from something like (Antenna/Terrestrial/OTA/ATSC/8VSB) to something like (QAM/Cable).
c) Scan for QAM channels. Some tuners can do this without forgetting the channels you have already scanned in from your antenna; I'm not sure about the Samsung.

Your owner's guide should explain how to do steps (b) and (c), but if you're having problems I would suggest looking/asking around in the HDTV Hardware topic.

If you want to be able to use Comcast some of the time and your antenna at other times, you will probably want to buy an A/B switch. These are about $10 from Radio Shack for a simple mechanical switch, about $30 for a fancy one that responds to a remote.

At this point, though, you might just want to wait a week until KMGH goes live on RP. And if you can get KMGH, you'll have all the major networks, Just my opinion, but at that point you might want to decide whether low-def versions of the cable-only channels (ESPN, CNN, MTV, etc.) are really worth $40 per month.

a) remove your antenna feed to the SIR-T451 and plug the Comcast cable in its place

If you want to be able to use Comcast some of the time and your antenna at other times, you will probably want to buy an A/B switch. These are about $10 from Radio Shack for a simple mechanical switch, about $30 for a fancy one that responds to a remote.

Many of the newer receivers have 3 inputs: Antenna, Cable & Satellite. So, you may not have to remove your antenna cable.
....jc

Happened again today. I turned on KUSA, channel 9-1 about 5 minutes until noon. Judge Judy is on. Strong signal and no video or audio problems. Come noon when local news is supposed to start, I lose all signal from KUSA. Lasted about 5 minutes. What's up with that? More work integrating KMGH and KTVD into RP?

I have the owners manual here at work for my Samsung SIR-T451. I don't see anything that mentions QAM. The manual doesn't offer much detail. My options for Memorizing channels is:

1) Air
2) STD
3) HRC
4) IRC

Which one do I use? Again I just have the Expanded Basic Cable that includes the local channels plus ESPN, TNT, HBO etc. Will all these basic channels (standard def I assume except for the local HD's) come through the tuner then? I wouldn't get the ESPN HD or Discovery HD right?

I have a single cable input called Ant./Cable In. So I would need a switch box if I wanted to switch between OTA and Cable.

Thanks for the pointers.

KMGH-DT has gone dark. Currently neither the coathanger signal nor a signal from Republic Plaza.

:mad:
Well, the 'coat hanger' as it is affectionately known on KMGH's roof has been turned off. As of today, Channel 17 is off-air altogether. I get zero signal.

Could the powers that be at KMGH NOT have waited until tomorrow, so that I could get "LOST" in HD one last time before the move to RP?

Oh well, timing (or lack thereof) is everything.

Maybe they'll be running like a well oiled machine from RP before 8pm, and I Will get "Lost"....yah, I kinda doubt it.

Now that the coat hanger is off (presumably forever), please commence with the tired gerbil/broken treadmill/etc jokes post haste! :rolleyes:

I'll be real curious to see what happens to their DMA (actual) once they are broadcasting at the same power but much higher elevation.

p.s. I might have a rotator for sale in the near future (I hope!) :)

Now that the coat hanger is off (presumably forever), please commence with the tired gerbil/broken treadmill/etc jokes post haste! :rolleyes:
I guess their gerbil got tired!

(I'm here to serve)

I have the owners manual here at work for my Samsung SIR-T451. I don't see anything that mentions QAM. The manual doesn't offer much detail. My options for Memorizing channels is:

1) Air
2) STD
3) HRC
4) IRC

Which one do I use? Again I just have the Expanded Basic Cable that includes the local channels plus ESPN, TNT, HBO etc. Will all these basic channels (standard def I assume except for the local HD's) come through the tuner then? I wouldn't get the ESPN HD or Discovery HD right?

I have a single cable input called Ant./Cable In. So I would need a switch box if I wanted to switch between OTA and Cable.

Thanks for the pointers.

There is actually a separate Denver Comcast thread with more info. Choose STD, scan the channels, you'll probably find 80 or more. Tons of music channels, and they have most (if not all) of analog cable on digital now, not scrambled. You will also get the digital music channels, and a few others. Most of the interesting digital only ones (besides the HD stuff) are scrambled. You will find KMGH on 89.1 if you live in the Denver metro area (except that according to other recent posts KMGH appears to be off the air right now. The non-OTA HD channels (like Discovery HD and ESPN-HD) are also scrambled.

4(35), 6(18), 7(17) and 9(16) DT are all off the air right now. Must be somethin' goin' on!

4(35), 6(18), 7(17) and 9(16) DT are all off the air right now. Must be somethin' goin' on!
Just received a message from KUSA confirming that over the next three hours, power to all RP transmitters will be intermittently shut off as KMGH engineers work on the new transmitter installation.

They're back on for the moment. KMGH is still showing up with the same strength as before on my receiver.

They're back on for the moment. KMGH is still showing up with the same strength as before on my receiver.
Did you need to adjust your antenna at all?

Did you need to adjust your antenna at all?

Between my location, and the antenna I have, that's not necessary

Between my location, and the antenna I have, that's not necessary
Do you think it's likely the 17-1 signal you're getting is probably still coming from the stick on their roof?

That would be my guess.

They're back on for the moment. KMGH is still showing up with the same strength as before on my receiver.

0? :D

I'm one of the lucky 3 people that can actually get their signal at a watchable strength.

Do you think it's likely the 17-1 signal you're getting is probably still coming from the stick on their roof?
My guess would be YES. I'm getting about the same signal strength(60%-66%). Also, KRMA is not good - pixelated. 4-1, 9-1 are not there(as usual). 19-1 is also a no show. And for some weird reason KGWN(Cheyenne) is a no show.
....jc

...And for some weird reason KGWN(Cheyenne) is a no show.
....jc

Hmm... very curious.

4, 6, & 9 DT are all back to normal. Based on my reading for 7-1, they are still broadcasting from street level w/ the gerbil powered coat hanger.

Yup. Looks like they successfully resuscitated the gerbil.

My apologies if this is old news. Who knows when KCNC News will actually make the switch to HD. But, since they are CBS O&O, it looks like they're at least getting the equipment.

http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/01/18/cbs-news-in-hd-coming-soon/

Happened again today. I turned on KUSA, channel 9-1 about 5 minutes until noon. Judge Judy is on. Strong signal and no video or audio problems. Come noon when local news is supposed to start, I lose all signal from KUSA. Lasted about 5 minutes. What's up with that? More work integrating KMGH and KTVD into RP?

It looked like everything from RP was off the air today when I looked in at about 3 PM. Even thru the Comcast box, 654 (Channel 4) was off the air.

My apologies if this is old news. Who knows when KCNC News will actually make the switch to HD. But, since they are CBS O&O, it looks like they're at least getting the equipment.

http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/01/18/cbs-news-in-hd-coming-soon/
What I've heard is that CBS is updating all their O&O stations to become local-news-in-HD capable. But they're doing them one at a time. What's Denver - 4th biggest CBS O&O city? [edit: no, we've gotta be lower down than that - 8th? 10th?] In any case, look for LA and NY to have local CBS news in HD before we see any signs of upgrades here.

I live north of Castle Pines North and have a large attic antenna installed, which has allowed me to get Fox and WB OTA pretty easily. I can't get anything else with that setup.

Today I installed a DB4 and 7228 preamp in my attic and tried it out on my Samsung T160. I was able to get 9.1 and 9.2 with about a 69% strength, but my channel 4.1 only was about 20% and thus was cutting in/out a lot. Is this to be expected? I thought they were both essentially sending the same power out? Is this an effect of the frequency? As expected. I couldn't even get a signal for 7.1.

Also, I did this work in hopes that 7.1 will also work for me when the power goes up next week, but now I'm worried. Does anyone know if the power output on the 7.1 signal is going to be around the same as 9.1? Or better .. or worse?

(Edited to say T160, not T151)

Just saw "the commercial" on KTVD. I was beginning to wonder if they were ever going to air it.

jazzsax,

Your correct. The frequency for CBS DT-35 being higher is hurting your reception. ABC DT17 should be similar to NBC DT16. But, who knows. Their squirrel's been on KMGH's roof a long time, it's might be tired by now. ;)

Jazzsax- Make sure that you point your antenna toward Republic Plaza in downtown Denver to receive 4-1,6-1, 9-1, 19-1, and hopefully 7-1 soon. the 2 stations you receive are coming from the Lookout Mtn. direction. I am south of you and can receive the RP stations.

ABC DT17 should be similar to NBC DT16. But, who knows. Their squirrel's been on KMGH's roof a long time, it's might be tired by now. ;)IIRC, the planned power level for KMGH-DT at Republic is 6.5kw, which is only about half the power level of KUSA-DT.

A better comparison would be whether you were able to get KTVD-DT when they were on the air; KTVD-DT was (will be again sometime) also broadcasting at 6.5kw, and on a very similar frequency to KMGH-DT.

Jazzsax- Make sure that you point your antenna toward Republic Plaza in downtown Denver to receive 4-1,6-1, 9-1, 19-1, and hopefully 7-1 soon. the 2 stations you receive are coming from the Lookout Mtn. direction. I am south of you and can receive the RP stations.

The DB4 is a new UHF antenna for me and is "taking over" the UHF frequencies from the other larger attic antenna. I'm putting the DB4 directly into the 7778 preamp using the separate capabilies. I'm pointing the DB4 towards the plaza, but it's in my attic and I have a hip roof, so maybe there's more wood/beams to go through. I'm at about 6340 ft. What altitude are you at? If you don't know for sure, check out this website for info: (I made it into a t i n y u r l) tiny url.com/8abyd

I guess I may have to go outside of the attic since I can't seem to get a better signal than 20% on 4.1. I'm all ready to just use the D* HDs when they come online, but I thought I'd give this one last try.

(Edited to say 7778, not 7228)

A better comparison would be whether you were able to get KTVD-DT when they were on the air; KTVD-DT was (will be again sometime) also broadcasting at 6.5kw, and on a very similar frequency to KMGH-DT.

Since I only did this yesterday, I didn't see any signal on 20.1. I get 6.1 now, and the 12s all come in too.

I would like to ask that we all temporarily refrain from giving the folks at KMGH so much grief.

Their engineer is very busy programming the 'revised' setup on RP in the hopes of possibly having it working somewhat reliably in time for the SB.

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http://home.earthlink.net/~lu_max/infrant/KMGH_engineer.jpg

I would like to ask that we all temporarily refrain from giving the folks at KMGH so much grief.

Their engineer is very busy programming the 'revised' setup on RP in the hopes of possibly having it working somewhat reliably in time for the SB.

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ROFLMAO
:D :D :D

I didn't realize KMGwhatever was that high tech.

I finally saw that LCG commercial this morning (9News@6am). While it definitely resonated with me, it also set off my "this is a political ad, so take whatever you hear here with a grain of salt" radar. Hopefully it'll at least make people curious and cause them to start investigating this issue.

Also seen on 9News this morning - today is Don Perez's 35th anniversary with the station. If any of you out there appreciate the HD provided by 9News, this might be a nice time to drop him a line. don.perez@9news.com

Congratulations to Don and Channel 9!! 35 years WOW!

Jetlag deserves "post of the year" :D

Way to go, Don! 35 years is amazing!

A minute ago, KCNC and KUSA were again gone - KUSA is back now. Interesingly, 6 is still there.

Still no sign of KMGH.

Would love to know what is going on down at RP.

UPDATE : now KCNC is back too... still nothing on KTVD.

jc

Greetings,
I'm Kimberly Johnson, business reporter for the Denver Post newspaper. I'm writing a story about Ultimate Electronics and their planned comeback as a mid to high end retailer. We spoke about some of the things at CES they plan to stock in their stores, etc...

However, I need some help. I need to speak to someone that shops at the chain. Ultimate says they want to be the place for the early tech adopted to go to get the latest technology, etc....

As an Ultimate consumer, do you feel this is true? Do you feel that they are on the cutting edge?

Thanks for you help in advance. Please email me at kjohnson (AT) denverpost (DOT) com. I would need to include your first and last name, city and probably one of the last things you purchased (or looked at) at the store.


Kimberly Johnson

Channel 7 is on the air from RP. Still can't get it from here in Longmont (the signal strength is at about 35, which is about the same as ch.20 was before it went of the air). Argh!!! Well, I just got my new 40 foot mast. Can't put it on the roof today due to snow, but it's now going to go up there the second that the snow melts!

B.J.

Channel 7 is on the air from RP. Still can't get it from here in Longmont (the signal strength is at about 35, which is about the same as ch.20 was before it went of the air). Argh!!! Well, I just got my new 40 foot mast. Can't put it on the roof today due to snow, but it's now going to go up there the second that the snow melts!

B.J.

Yea! I am getting a strong signal from KMGH. Lets hope that they have no equipment issues before the Super Bowl.

P.S. They still have a long way to go before I will forget their quote of $400,000 to move to RP. I would love to know what they have invested to get the transmitter running?

Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

Boosted the signal on my HR10-250 from 50-55 to a solid 95!!!

Wow! I'm getting KMGH stronger than any channel I've ever gotten in the history of all time! It is ranking between 92 and 95 with my crappy indoor antenna here in south Lakewood. I am getting all of the other channels that matter as well except for 19.1. That one ranks between 20 and 30 at the most. Are they only outputting 100 watts (not Kwatts) for the KTVD antenna? WTF?

I just hope they get rid of 7.2 so the entire bandwidth can be dedicated to that damned game!

Very encouraging.

For the first time ever, I can get KMGH-DT.

Welcome to Brighton, ABC!

(so...is there anything on ABC worth watching? I don't know if it's a good idea to start watching "Lost" in the middle of season 2)

Strong KMGH signal in Centennial. Great to see!

Getting a strong signal (92) in southeast Aurora on the HDtivo.

Man, that gerbil must have been working out. Loud and clear up here NE of Boulder.

jmartinko, you should be able to get it too.

KMGH is actually my strongest signal now on my 2 HD Tivos: 92-95 on KMGH and next highest is KUSA at 91-95. My antenna is still aimed where it was before to max out KMGH which was NOT toward RP or their building.

Now, if Cindy Velasquez (last GM at KMGH) had only made the right executive decision in 2003 to move as they now have done, we would have had them for a long time.

I would think KMGH could be received by most anybody that gets the rest of the RP stations. I am very curious if TotallyPreWired can pick them up since he can't get KUSA.

Anyway, good news. The new "team" of gerbils is really putting out!

Coathanger++ 17-3, 17-4 coming in at solid 82 here in Thornton on DTC-100. Never thought I would see the day.

Don

The strength meter is over 90 here in Highlands Ranch! Yahoo!

I have a 102% signal from 120th and Colorado on my E* 921 and an omni-directional antenna on the roof.

Well Mr. Martinko we're all waiting????? ;)

Excellent... Bring on the Super Bowl! GO BRONCOS

Northwest corner of longmont, live at 62% signal. The weakest of the currently operational RP signals, but have solid lock. Might need to tweak the antenna a bit to see if I can get it a bit stronger.

What is 7.2? Seems to be carrying same content, but I have a bright blue vertical line to the left of the picture.

jc

What outstanding news to come home to see! Receiving signal out near DIA. Meter shows it jumping all over, but settles at 45 most of the time, which I just found is about what I get for KUSA as well.

I almost want to forgive them for not getting this up before the bowl and playoff games. :D

And Dr. Mal, Lost is a great show, but you're right, picking up midway through season 2 isn't ideal. You could pick up the dvd's and catch up eventually I suppose. I think the only other shows I watch on ABC are Boston Legal and Grey's Anatomy, both quality shows imo.

I'm getting about 55% signal in Longmont. Enough for a lock. Comes in about the same strength as CBS. We'll, I'm happy. To the other guy from longmont: Are you sure you need that extra height? Have you tried a better antenna? I just have mine mounted on top of my 2 story, and it comes in no problem (19-1 was ok, too). I have a Winegard 9032 UHF, but I was using Channelmaster 3018 which seemed to work about as well. I once tried the biggest antenna that radio shack sold, but didn't have nearly as good of luck as with either of these two antennas. They are not as big, but they were far superior. I still have that Channelmaster, if you want to try it.

Ok, first of all this is great news. KMGH, who'd a thunk it?

Here's the deal:

Is there ANYONE in SW Longmont, say Meadow Mountain or Renaissance subdivisions (along Clover Basin) that is actually getting KMGH? We closed on our new house yesterday and it's right around Clover Basin and Mountain Drive. Our Panny 50" plasma is going in on Monday or Tuesday. Will I get KMGH?

Anyone? Thanks!!!

Long-time-lurker report on KMGH.

I'm in Boulder county SW of Longmont, NW of Niwot, just N of Haystack Mt. I have a big Radio Shack uhf/vhf combo in attic oriented to Lookout, which has been there for 10 years for analog OTA, with a long roundabout cable run to the TV area in basement. LG-LST3410A tuner/dvr is used for digital OTA and general analog timeshift, which connects to Samsung 50" DLP.

Got KMGH-DT (7.1) best of any Republic stations an hour ago. Congratulations KMGH! Next in line is KRMA-DT (6.1) with KUSA-DT (9.1) third. All three were completely watchable, no obvious dropouts. Middle of the night occasionally I see enough KCNC (4.1) to map it and get a few pixels, but not usable. KDVR(31.1) and KWGN(2.1) from Lookout come in great, of course. KTVD (upn20) was best of any Republic station while it was on last week, but gone now. Don't know how KMGH and phantom KTVD compare on signal, but they seem close according to what I remember from last week.

I don't have enough Republic signal strength to drive through a splitter during the day, but sometimes works at night through splitter. There are some new A-B switches in my future and/or see if I can fish a shorter cable run someday.

I have comcast with HD tuner, mostly for ESPN (non-hd) and internet, but HD locals are nice to have. I'm not burning to do a lot of antenna work to get stations I have already from Comcast and will have anyway from Lookout someday (he says naively).

Pete

Getting 10 out of 11 bars on Samsung SIR-T451 for KMGH with outside DB2 antenna.
Located at County Line & Holly in Centennial. Same signal strength for KUSA, KRMA & KCNC. KWGN is now my weakest of the main locals with 8 out of 11 bars. :)

YES! I am getting 7.1 at 66 on my E* 921 and 811 in Longmont 14th and Hilltop, FINALY

Got KMGH-DT (7.1) best of any Republic stations an hour ago. Congratulations KMGH! Next in line is KRMA-DT (6.1) with KUSA-DT (9.1) third. All three were completely watchable, no obvious dropouts. Middle of the night occasionally I see enough KCNC (4.1) to map it and get a few pixels, but not usable. KDVR(31.1) and KWGN(2.1) from Lookout come in great, of course. KTVD (upn20) was best of any Republic station while it was on last week, but gone now. Don't know how KMGH and phantom KTVD compare on signal, but they seem close according to what I remember from last week.


Guess this proves the adage thats reception is more location more than pure distance. From the NW corner of longmont I have :

2.1 KWGN 81%
4.1 KCNC 71%
6.1 KRMA 64%
7.1 KMGH 62%
7.2 KMGH 62% (what is this?)
9.1 KUSA 68%
9.2 KUSA 68%
15.1 80% (lots of dropped frames - unwatchable)
19.1 KTVD 00% (had it last week at 61%, pixelating badly)
31.1 KDVR 84%
53.1 KWHD 72%

This is on a Dish 811 from a Terk antenna in my attic. I do have the advantage of two story house that is also a bit elevated (by 2-3 feet over nearby homes).

Im curious what the next HD content is that will appear on KMGH... the news is obviously not. Recall seeing a link here before, but not finding it at the moment.

Im curious what others are seeing by channel - very interesting how fleeting it seems to be.

jc

KMGH is actually my strongest signal now on my 2 HD Tivos: 92-95 on KMGH and next highest is KUSA at 91-95. My antenna is still aimed where it was before to max out KMGH which was NOT toward RP or their building.

The new "team" of gerbils is really putting out!

The Gerbil wheel is running STRONG in East-Central Jeffco (Wads & Belleview).

Go Gerbils, Go!

I can't even imagine LOST without the pixelization from Comcast. This will be great.

Oooh Yeaa! KMGH coming through beautifully @ 720p resolution, excellent signal quality. I'm heading to the denverchannel.com to send a thank you message right now!

If this keeps up, I might have to start watching KMGH again, The only show I have seen on KMGH the last three years is this seasons LOST. I can't wait to see it in HD, Bring on the Super Bowl! Congrats to KMGH and most of all, All of us that have been dealing with this for years. Now what are we going to do? Oh yea, There is still the sCARE/Goldensucks issue.

If this keeps up, I might have to start watching KMGH again, The only show I have seen on KMGH the last three years is this seasons LOST. I can't wait to see it in HD, Bring on the Super Bowl! Congrats to KMGH and most of all, All of us that have been dealing with this for years. Now what are we going to do? Oh yea, There is still the sCARE/Goldensucks issue.

As friends see the Super Bowl in HD more people will want HD of their own. When
they buy a HDTV and can't get it OTA it will definately put more pressure on the
Lookout Mtn issue.

I would think KMGH could be received by most anybody that gets the rest of the RP stations. I am very curious if TotallyPreWired can pick them up since he can't get KUSA.

I'm Still Alive!

Not a good night for testing(7" snow so far, still snowing, up to 14" forecasted), but I did do a fairly complete test.

Main Antenna: Winegard 8200
Receiver #1: LG 3200A
KCNC - No
KRMA - 60%
KMGH - 45%
KUSA - No
KBDI - 50%
Receiver #2: Mits 65xxx
KCNC - 1/2 the time
KRMA - Yes
KMGH - Some Pixelation
KUSA - No
KBDI - Yes

Aux Antenna: CM 4228
Receiver #1: LG 3200A
KCNC - No
KRMA - 40%
KMGH - No
KUSA - No
KBDI - 50%
Receiver #2: Mits 65xxx
KCNC - Pixelation
KRMA - Yes
KMGH - No
KUSA - No
KBDI - Yes

So, it's as I figured, KMGH is now shakey, and it used to be my most reliable station. :confused: But, I do get ABCW via D* so it's not a big deal.

Anther problem has popped up. My second most reliable station, KGWN - Cheyenne, has been a no show for the last 3 days. That's not good, as it replaces KCNC(when I can't receive it) for most of the Bronco games. It's broadcast on UHF 30(5.*). And, I did notice during testing that 1 test turned up a 30.3 & 30.4. This happens quite a bit when the UHF channel is shown, and not the remapped channel. I fear those clowns have added some more subchannels(they had 5.1 & 5.2), and their main power has been reduced. Arrrggg! Is there no justice? :mad:

Congrats to everyone now receiving the mystery station!
....jc

I was very excited to see the above posts about KMGH, but when I turned on the TV I found that I was not receiving 7.1. Actually, my Samsung DirecTV receiver can tell that there is some signal there but cannot lock on. I am in south Lafayette and am reliably getting CBS and NBC with an outdoor bow-tie antenna. I guess I'll be tweaking the antenna some more when the weather improves.

Scott

KMGH-HD is ON for me here in Arvada (approx Pomona HS). Can't test the signal w/out stopping a tivo in progress. I'm going to assume it's strong since KUSA is currently my best signal. Big thanks to Darrell Brown and the KMGH crew!

Here are my signal strengths from Longmont(18th and Spencer) on my panny plasma:

2-1 81%
31-1 81%
9-1 77%
53-1 71%
4-1 69%
6-1 68%
7-1 58% :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
19-1 0%

There is still the sCARE/Goldensucks issue.
No, no, it's sCARE/BoycottGolden :rolleyes: :D
How does your signal strength for KMGH-DT compare with KCNC-DT and KUSA-DT?
I'll let you know once my TiVo is done recording tonight's primetime stuff. I watched Oprah for a few minutes, and there weren't any breakups or other evidence of low signal strength.

I really didn't expect to see this day. Not sure whether I'm ready to congratulate KMGH on being the last station to start broadcasting from RP though...

KMGH-DT signal a 5 outa 5 on my ATI HD PCI tuner card at 225 and Yale in Aurora. Go Broncos

Well, for the first time ever, my tuner can see a signal from KMGH but it can't lock on.

Oh well. I guess I'll be watching the Super Bowl in glorious 480i this year...

Another report:

7.1 Coming in good at 68-70%
At the same time:
4.1 63%
9.1 74%

Looks like the SB will be HD again (knock on wood). Three years running. Yay!

I can imagine what I'll tell the grandkids years from now....."back in the day we had to put up HUGE antennas, outside even, to get an HD signal!"

7.1 coming in nice and stong. Amazing, I can't believe my eyes..

The signal is much stronger than 4.1 or 9.1.

Even better than 6.1 for me, and matches that of 31.1 - about 80%.

Man, that gerbil must have been working out. Loud and clear up here NE of Boulder.

jmartinko, you should be able to get it too.
Too busy watching the Flyers (edited at 8:08 since I now see they have been on the air for a while) the Avs and Smallville to notice, but yes, I do have a very strong signal from some ABC station which is showing up on 7-1. I must be that mysterious KMGwhatever I have heard about. Too bad I have alternatives for ABC or I might actually watch it, but I guess I can keep them as a backup.
Wish I could be excited about this, but given all the history this is definitely a case or waaay too late. They SHOULD have been on the air this way two years ago or more.
:mad:

For those of you who are KMGH veterans, do they usually maintain their EPG program guide? I'm not seeing any info for them on my LG4200A

For those of you who are KMGH veterans, do they usually maintain their EPG program guide? I'm not seeing any info for them on my LG4200A
Their program guide was working for me on D* on my Zenith long before I ever got a whiff of the channel.

BTW, I am getting a streched version of the SD on the channel on 7-2, does this mean they will water it down or is that version only on during SD telecasts?

I'm getting about 55% signal in Longmont. Enough for a lock. Comes in about the same strength as CBS. We'll, I'm happy. To the other guy from longmont: Are you sure you need that extra height? Have you tried a better antenna?

Pecs, thanks for the offer. I've currently got a CM4228, so I dont' think that I'm going to get much better than that. I'm behind a little bit of a hill near 287 and Pike. While I am not positive that additional height will help me at all, I'm starting to run out of options. I've tried 3 different antennas, different pre-amps (and no pre-amp), lots and lots of different locations on my roof. One think that I am sure of, is that I can't get any signal from any of the RP stations if I am below 10 feet above my roof. I'm currently at 15 feet above, and while I did purchase a 40 foot telescoping mast, I'm not planning on using the entire 40 feet of it. I'm probably going to use 20-25 feet. I tried to get a 30 foot mast, but I couldn't find one locally. My hope is that the additional 5 to 10 feet will get the antenna into the main signal path, rather than just on the very edge of it.

KUSA comes in fantastic all of the time. KCNC and KRMA only come in during the evening, and KTVD only came in for a few hours after they first went on the air. After that, I got the same signal strength that I am now getting from KMGH, which is just not enough to get a picture on (but it is enough that my TV gets the channel mappings if I sit on the channel for 20 minutes or so).

Anyway, here is my current signal strength from south central Longmont, near 287 and pike rd.
KBDI (PBS) 38 2006-01-19 20:02:12
KCNC (CBS) 48 2006-01-19 20:01:52
KDEN (HSN) 47 2006-01-19 20:00:58
KDVR (FOX) 74 2006-01-19 20:01:17
KMGH (ABC) 35 2006-01-19 20:03:37
KRMA (PBS) 51 2006-01-19 20:00:19
KTFD (Telefutura) 35 2006-01-19 20:02:58
KTVD (UPN) 0 2006-01-19 20:00:39
KUSA (NBC) 61 2006-01-19 20:03:18
KWGN (WB) 83 2006-01-19 20:01:34
KWHD (Independent) 41 2006-01-19 20:02:30

I have to head out of town tomorrow and Saturday, but if the snow melts by Sunday, I'll be up on top of the house putting in the new mast. Wish me luck on getting KMGH!

B.J.

Their program guide was working for me on D* on my Zenith long before I ever got a whiff of the channel.

BTW, I am getting a streched version of the SD on the channel on 7-2, does this mean they will water it down or is that version only on during SD telecasts?

You sure it's coming in stretched or maybe it's something on your end doing it since it's just a 480i signal? 7-2 never used to be stretched and I aint seein it stretched tonight.. it's just an an otherwise useless 480i version of ABC programming thats been around sucking up bandwidth since the beginning on their digital side.

The used to stretch the HD channel when there was no actual HD content being shown, but I think they stopped doing that awhile back.

One more report, I am getting a stronger signal on 7.1 than on anything else but still not enough to lock onto just outside of Elizabeth. The attic antenna just wont cut it (it is seriously misaimed but I cant do anything about it with the truss design), I hope I can find an antenna and mast here in town this week...

For those of you who are KMGH veterans, do they usually maintain their EPG program guide? I'm not seeing any info for them on my LG4200A


I don't know who maintains there program guide but I have nine days of info for 7.1 for the first time ever on my E*921, The analog channels never displayed any guide infor me on OTA.

On a hunch, I felt like trying the signal meter a few minutes ago, and
for the first time EVER (1st HDTV bought was in 2001) I have: picture, and audio on CHANNEL 17 !

I get from Castle Rock:

channel 16, 17 , 18, 19 (not today), 32, 34. and 35.
Get a whiff of channel 29, a bit of 21, and some signal on channel 46.

Note: Looks like KCEC-DT is on-air from somewhere, as I see signal on channel 51

Note #2: I can get KKTV, KRDO, and KXRM from here . KOAA, the NBC affiliate is
supposed to go on -air next month, probably before the Olympics.

Note: Looks like KCEC-DT is on-air from somewhere, as I see signal on channel 51I'm getting a lock on channel 51 and it's remapping to 50-1, but no picture or sound. Maybe they are just testing? IIRC, their digital location is supposed to be Mt. Morrison.

Getting 69% on 7.1, 7.2 and 9.1, 9.2 now on my Samsung SIR-T151. I'm near Surrey Ridge. Only ~20% on 4.1, which is my only bad station. Attic install with a DB4 and a 7778 preamp. Obviously 2.1 and 31.1 are great!

I don't know about anybody else, but it is FUN to read all these reports about KMGH signal strength. I will repeat what I said before: It is too bad that they could not have done this in 2003 when a number of us complained appropriately about their crummy signal and no end in sight to the LCG/Jeffco fiasco.

Just proves that lawyers influence too much of what normal people, including executive decision makers, would do otherwise.

Geez, LOOK at all of the newbies! It's great that you all could show up for the party. Wonderful. :(
Where were you during all the battles? Huh? :mad:

It's no wonder this BS has gone on for so long. Pussies. When the bullets are flying where were you? Huh? Where? :o

Yea, you'll show up for a 'victory' party, but someone else has to do the 'dirty' work. SAD.

Everyone wants a pat on the back for the great job that they did, when in reality they were too lazy to get off their fat a$$es. Thanks.

KOAA, the NBC affiliate is
supposed to go on-air next month, probably before the Olympics.
Hahaha. Yea, and the 'Tower' was supposed to be operational, when? Read my rebuttal to KOAA's GM's BS posted in the C/S OTA topic. He complains about trying to build a facility on the top of Cheyenne Mtn in December? They were granted a building permit in November 2004!. Yea, they are 'working on it'. Yup.

Until more people get pissed, the longer the that we will be denied what most of the rest of the country already has:

Full Power Digital Television Broadcasts.

Wimp out, and we all lose.
...jc

Here's my latest signal strength readings:

KCEC - 77 (?)
KBDI - 89 (squaw)
KCNC - 71 (rp)
KWGN - 78 (lookout)
KDVR - 89 (lookout)
KTVD - mia (rp)
KRMA - 90 (rp)
KMGH - 92 (rp)
KUSA - 94 (rp)

What's interesting is the 2 point drop in signal strength from channel 16 to 17, and then another 2 point drop from channel 17 to 18. From channel 18 to 35, I'd expect another 34 point drop in signal strength, but it's only 19 points.

Anyway, not too shabby for a cowtown without full power HD.

Geez, LOOK at all of the newbies! It's great that you all could show up for the party. Wonderful. :(
Where were you during all the battles? Huh? :mad:

It's no wonder this BS has gone on for so long. Pussies. When the bullets are flying where were you? Huh? Where? :o

Yea, you'll show up for a 'victory' party, but someone else has to do the 'dirty' work. SAD.

Everyone wants a pat on the back for the great job that they did, when in reality they were too lazy to get off their fat a$$es. Thanks.
I don't recall meeting you at any of the tower hearings :confused:

I don't recall meeting you at any of the tower hearings
Nope. I live 90+ miles away.

P.S. TotallyPreWired, with all due respect...I don't see anyone trying to take credit or expecting a pat on the back for anything they haven't done. As far as I can see people are just happily reporting that they are now getting KMGH-DT. We should all be happy on this day.
Why? Denver remains to be the only DMA in the top(25 - ?) that doesn't have even one station broadcasting a digital signal at full power?
....jc

You sure it's coming in stretched or maybe it's something on your end doing it since it's just a 480i signal? 7-2 never used to be stretched and I aint seein it stretched tonight.. it's just an an otherwise useless 480i version of ABC programming thats been around sucking up bandwidth since the beginning on their digital side.

The used to stretch the HD channel when there was no actual HD content being shown, but I think they stopped doing that awhile back.

My bad, I forgot it was 480i since I hadn't seen it before tonight. My STB was in the Panorama mode at the time.

"it's just an an otherwise useless 480i version of ABC programming thats been around sucking up bandwidth since the beginning on their digital side."
Couldn't have said it better myself. What is the point other than to make sure we get never get used to true HD on the main channel?

As for the 'where were you when' part of the thread, I won't comment........I do know what I was doing since 2000, going waay back to our first group meeting with the LCG at KRMA with James Morgese one weekday evening, which I organized with James's help.

KMGH-DT is my strongest RP station here in Elizabeth at 70% on my signal meter -- would'a thunk it!

Strange thing about KCNC-DT tonight though. I usually get it borderline, about 30%. But tonight it was in the upper 60's without a dropout in sight for "W/O a Trace". But at 9:45 PM the signal dissappeared for a while and when I checked back later during Letterman it returned, but back at 34%. Did anyone else notice the increase in power during the 9PM hour? It was great for me for a while. KCNC is the only network I can't get most of the time. I'll have to give them a call and see if they were playing with some increased power last night (or maybe the KMGH gerbil jumped his wheel for a little while)

Geez, LOOK at all of the newbies! It's great that you all could show up for the party. Wonderful. :(
Where were you during all the battles? Huh? :mad: Kill the attitude TPW. The veterans don't want to hear it and the newbies who just bought an HDTV yesterday don't deserve it. You haven't earned a spot on my ignore list yet, but you do warrrant the Evelyn Wood treatment.

Kill the attitude TPW. The veterans don't want to hear it and the newbies who just bought an HDTV yesterday don't deserve it. You haven't earned a spot on my ignore list yet, but you do warrrant the Evelyn Wood treatment.

I agree Ron, not everyone here could afford (or in many cases, wouldn't have spent the money on) an HD set back in 2000, and many still cannot afford them. I don't see that waiting until you can afford to buy an HD set should mean you can't be welcomed here. I am thrilled every day when I see new members jump in, it means more overall awareness and pressure on Golden, Jeffco and the LCG. Your first priority is to your family, not the AVS forum or HDTV, and no one should be condemned for that. All of the work put into things here has always been voluntary, not mandatory. Welcome to any and all new members, and to all the lurkers out there, post in and let us know your there even if you don't have a HD set yet. The only thing I ask is they not be offended when a newbie offers a idea and some old timer points out that it has been tried many times before. That doesn't mean it is a bad idea, just bad timing. I seriously doubt very many folks have time to go back and read the 14000 or so postings in the third thread or the postings in the first two to find out the history of all of this frustration.

Kill the attitude TPW. The veterans don't want to hear it and the newbies who just bought an HDTV yesterday don't deserve it. You haven't earned a spot on my ignore list yet, but you do warrrant the Evelyn Wood treatment.


If it was not for this site, and all the info provided on here, I wouldn't have a clue regarding the issues and developments of HD here. It helps to know the status/issues, etc and this site provides that.

Heck, if it wasn't for Santellavison's advice on an antenna back in 2002 from this site, I wouldn't be receiving the HD content I am now.

This site is awesome, and the questions from other newbies, other's reception, and the input from the veterans is of interest to me. I am glad I can get 7.1 now (I think I am going to cry....... :D )

Good grief JC, where did that come from? That was downright childish of you. I don't seem to recall you doing any "dirty work" either.

KMGH on RP... It must be a cold day in hell, I never thought I'd see the day.

TPW has been a good guy all along so I'm gonna chalk it up to a bad hair day. Glass is HALF FULL amgios.

Good grief JC, where did that come from? That was downright childish of you. I don't seem to recall you doing any "dirty work" either.
Childish? No. I am happy that most people can now receive KMGH, I just think that it's funny that all the sudden we have all of the 'lurkers' 'coming out'.

What you haven't seen is my email to various senators, the state AG, newspapers, and calls to many stations. Yup, behind the scenes. I consider KMGH just a small victory in a bigger battle. We didn't all spend $$$ to watch fuzz.

I had to watch the SB in SD last year. And due to anti-public provisions of SHREVA, I've never seen an HD game on Fox. So, as I see it, there's still a ways to go.
....jc

Geez, LOOK at all of the newbies! It's great that you all could show up for the party. Wonderful. :(
Where were you during all the battles? Huh? :mad:

It's no wonder this BS has gone on for so long. Pussies. When the bullets are flying where were you? Huh? Where? :o

Yea, you'll show up for a 'victory' party, but someone else has to do the 'dirty' work. SAD.

Everyone wants a pat on the back for the great job that they did, when in reality they were too lazy to get off their fat a$$es. Thanks.


Hahaha. Yea, and the 'Tower' was supposed to be operational, when? Read my rebuttal to KOAA's GM's BS posted in the C/S OTA topic. He complains about trying to build a facility on the top of Cheyenne Mtn in December? They were granted a building permit in November 2004!. Yea, they are 'working on it'. Yup.

Until more people get pissed, the longer the that we will be denied what most of the rest of the country already has:

Full Power Digital Television Broadcasts.

Wimp out, and we all lose.
...jc
TPW:

That extra altitude up there in WP must be be playing games with you at 10:30 at night..."Don't worry, be happy"

Please understand that ALL decisions around the world evolve around the mighty dollar (or whatever currency he or she uses). NOT your voice or anyone elses voice. It's all about the money.

As I tell my kids at times...patience is a virtue!

We are all disappointed with the delays...

I am happy that most people can now receive KMGHAnd we're glad you didn't lose it, although it sounds like a near miss.

I can just see it now, Broncos in the Super Bowl, and KMGH running the following promo:

"KMGH - Now proudly serving 500 households in the Metro-Denver area with our upgraded high-definition television transmitter!"

There's gonna be a lot of disappointed people out there who will be buying an HDTV specifically for the game, only to get it home and find out that they can't get a signal.

A little more good news. It looks like CBS is buying HD cameras to convert their O&O local news stations (KCNC is one!) to HD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=633623

I now receive KMGH at 75+ strength on my HR10-250 in Castle Pines North.

I can just see it now, Broncos in the Super Bowl, and KMGH running the following promo:

"KMGH - Now proudly serving 500 households in the Metro-Denver area with our upgraded high-definition television transmitter!"

There's gonna be a lot of disappointed people out there who will be buying an HDTV specifically for the game, only to get it home and find out that they can't get a signal.


Dave, Can't you pull in 7.1 now since the move to RP?

Pecs, thanks for the offer. I've currently got a CM4228, so I dont' think that I'm going to get much better than that. I'm behind a little bit of a hill near 287 and Pike. While I am not positive that additional height will help me at all, I'm starting to run out of options. I've tried 3 different antennas, different pre-amps (and no pre-amp), lots and lots of different locations on my roof. One think that I am sure of, is that I can't get any signal from any of the RP stations if I am below 10 feet above my roof. I'm currently at 15 feet above, and while I did purchase a 40 foot telescoping mast, I'm not planning on using the entire 40 feet of it. I'm probably going to use 20-25 feet. I tried to get a 30 foot mast, but I couldn't find one locally. My hope is that the additional 5 to 10 feet will get the antenna into the main signal path, rather than just on the very edge of it.

B.J.

I guess you might just be in an unusually bad spot. I am aiming my antenna right at those grain elevators on the east side of town (I'd guess they are 200ft high), and I figured I was the unlucky one. I think it is strange that KUSA comes in all the time and the others don't, since they are coming from the same place and some at the same power. Makes me think that it is an antenna problem (like maybe the 4228 has better gain at whatever frequency KUSA is on). You said you tried other antennas; were any of them yagis? Might be worth trying a different design... And like I said, the brand makes a huge difference. I didn't get squat with the radio shack yagi. Also, what kind of receiver are you using? I "rented" a motorola from circuit city, and had little luck with it when I first got the TV. Then I got a Sylvania from Ebay, and got everything no problem. Made a big difference.

Have you determined if the pre-amp helps in Longmont? I was afraid that that local broadcast would cause too much trouble and never tried one.

Just my .02

In between reps this a.m. I gave some thought to the "why now?" question. I share the opinion of another poster, it's all about the money. First, I'm THRILLED that I can now get this channel and I'm not too concerned about why KMGH suddenly went into "git'er dun" mode. But if I had to place my bet it'd be on the upcoming "digital white area" definition that was promised when SHREVA (?) got redone about a year ago. From what I gathered (then) KMGH would've been either footing the bill for a whole bunch of signal tests and (when these tests failed) granting waivers to pretty much the entire metro area (save their own parking lot). IMO that's a whole bunch more $ than relocating to RP, but then again I'm just speculating.

Anyone out in the Firestone area that is able to pick up KMGH (or for that matter the rest of the HD signals)?

I have a good friend who recently purchased his first HD capable TV, and is considering an antenna before the super bowl. Im a little concerned about his location.. .he is on the east side of Firestone (just north of Saddleback Golf Course). I think he is in a little bit of a low spot... but then Im not sure about the line of sight to RP from there.

EDIT : based upon antennaweb, sounds like has a better shot at ABC in Cheyenne than Denver...

jc

I just got a 83 out of 100 meter reading for ABC HD here in Highlands Ranch with my basic amplified indoor Terk Antenna. Schweet.

I'm in SW Lakewood, a couple of miles east of Morrison. I've got a small rotatable yagi in my attic. I get the RP stations fairly well, but the Lookout Mountain ones are always iffy since I'm blocked by Green Mountain (though I got KWGN-DT okay last night and watched Smallville with very few breakups). I'm now getting KMGH-DT with a signal strength of 87 (out of max 125 or so) on my Dish PVR-921, with the antenna pointed at a compromise position that gives me the best signals for KUSA-DT and KCNC-DT. I get KMGH a little better than KCNC and a little worse than KUSA there. I haven't tried any other antenna positions yet, but since I'm getting a lock with no breakups, I figure this is pretty good. When I got my first HD receiver, I was able to get KMGH for the first few months and then never again. So this is definitely progress, and I look forward to Lost and the SB in HD.

Ironically, my satellite dish was covered with snow last night and this morning, so all I could get was the OTA stations.

And all this will be moot for me in a few months when Dish adds the Denver HD locals and I get their new mpeg4 receiver. Though I guess it will be nice to have the OTA stations on snow days!

Please understand that ALL decisions around the world evolve around the mighty dollar (or whatever currency he or she uses). NOT your voice or anyone elses voice. It's all about the money.
I couldn't agree more. That's the problem, money.

In between reps this a.m. I gave some thought to the "why now?" question. I share the opinion of another poster, it's all about the money. First, I'm THRILLED that I can now get this channel and I'm not too concerned about why KMGH suddenly went into "git'er dun" mode. But if I had to place my bet it'd be on the upcoming "digital white area" definition that was promised when SHREVA (?) got redone about a year ago. From what I gathered (then) KMGH would've been either footing the bill for a whole bunch of signal tests and (when these tests failed) granting waivers to pretty much the entire metro area (save their own parking lot). IMO that's a whole bunch more $ than relocating to RP, but then again I'm just speculating.
Interesting topic. The FCC gave out waivers like 'hot cakes' to all of the stations that missed the 07/01/05 deadline to be on-air, and at full power. It looks like Colorado got the Lions Share of these waivers. :eek: From what I understand, these were 6 month waivers. So, they all expired on 12/31/05. I also have heard/read/whatever that a 2nd waiver would be harder to obtain. So, maybe KMGH made the 'big move' to make it look like they were actually trying to supply a signal. Maybe.

But, never-the-less, all of the Denver stations still need that 2nd waiver. Maybe this waiver info is all wrong. Who knows? But it sure would help to explain the actions of some of the stations(KMGH, KRDO, KOAA).
....jc

And all this will be moot for me in a few months when Dish adds the Denver HD locals and I get their new mpeg4 receiver. Though I guess it will be nice to have the OTA stations on snow days!

I am thinking about the new E* deal too but from what I've found only the "big 4" will be available (CBS, ABC, FOX and NBC). I would want to keep my OTA operating to get KWGN, KTVD and PBS. Besides, OTA should :rolleyes: be better than cable or satellite.

Congrats to all of you who can get the mystery station.
Of course many of us up north still can't get anything except KDVR and KGWN in HD. I'm hoping *D comes through very soon because I'm tired of this tower nonsense and golden's smug attitude.

Anyone out in the Firestone area that is able to pick up KMGH (or for that matter the rest of the HD signals)?

I have a good friend who recently purchased his first HD capable TV, and is considering an antenna before the super bowl. Im a little concerned about his location.. .he is on the east side of Firestone (just north of Saddleback Golf Course). I think he is in a little bit of a low spot... but then Im not sure about the line of sight to RP from there.

EDIT : based upon antennaweb, sounds like has a better shot at ABC in Cheyenne than Denver...

jc

There is no ABC out of Cheyenne anymore. They changed affiliations and went off the air months ago.

Now I'm bummed. I was hoping to see something about my issue in these posts, but don't so I guess I've got an issue with my 1st gen SIR T-150.

I get KMGH-DT very well in NW Lafayette. It is my strongest RP signal. And very stable, no jumping around.

But I get audio drops like every 1/2 second for 1/2 second. 1/2 sec audio, 1/2 sec silent. Very annoying. But 7.2 has perfect audio. My surround receiver got "static" attacked a couple of weeks ago and died a painful (for me) death, so I'm just running audio out of the T150 to the TV. But it seems like the T150 is having a major issue with their DD audio or something (I'm guessing because 7.2 audio is fine so it must be in a different stream of a different type).

At least the picture looked nice :)

Just found out from KUSA that they WILL be broadcasting all of NBC's Olympic coverage from Italy in 5.1 DD audio. That should be cool.

Now to the matter at hand, KMGH went from my second most powerful station (I only live roughly 1/2 mile from their station) to joining KUSA at maxing out my signal meter on my E* 921...so to my surprise my signal actually improved a bit with their move to RP. :)

Dr_Mal, while I agree about getting caught up with "Lost" before diving in, I would still recommend 'sampling' it in HD next Wednesday, if for no other reason then to check out how amazing Hawaii/the Beach/the Jungle looks in 720p. As far as other ABC shows, I have a lot of co-workers who rave about "Boston Legal" on Tuesdays.

Live in Lakewood, Garrison and Alameda. Can now pull in KMGH, but KCNC 4-1 has been down all morning. Anyone else noticing this on KCNC.

Not much of a issue now but it sure would be dissapointing if KCNC's signal is lost around 1:00pm on Sunday afternoon during the AFC Championship Game. Anyone heard why KCNC might be down and if this could be a potential problem on Sunday afternoon. Someone should talk to KCNC's engineering department to verify what might be going on here.

Just found out from KUSA that they WILL be broadcasting all of NBC's Olympic coverage from Italy in 5.1 DD audio. That should be cool.
Some events (supposedly live simulcasts of hockey) will be available on Universal HD, if you have D*. I haven't read if they'll be 5.1 or not.

For those having problems picking up ABC,

as per my earlier post, a tech told me a few days ago that they are testing the signal this weekend, so perhaps there will still be some improvment.

What you haven't seen is my email to various senators, the state AG, newspapers, and calls to many stations. Yup, behind the scenes. I consider KMGH just a small victory in a bigger battle. We didn't all spend $$$ to watch fuzz.


Okay, you're right. I haven't seen all of the stuff you've done behind the scenes. I can see why you'd be a little frustrated. Still, no one here deserves to be talked to like that.

Anyway, I'm letting it go...

I'm going back to being pissed off that it's ABC's turn to air the Super Bowl this year! Grrr...

Just found out from KUSA that they WILL be broadcasting all of NBC's Olympic coverage from Italy in 5.1 DD audio. That should be cool.



I hope they start broadcasting all the other HD stuff in 5.1 then.

If there capable of 5.1 for the olimpics then they should be for the other prime time stuff. :mad:

Dr_Mal, while I agree about getting caught up with "Lost" before diving in, I would still recommend 'sampling' it in HD next Wednesday, if for no other reason then to check out how amazing Hawaii/the Beach/the Jungle looks in 720p. As far as other ABC shows, I have a lot of co-workers who rave about "Boston Legal" on Tuesdays.
Thanks - I'm getting a high-level "Lost" overview from a coworker, so I won't be too...um...lost?...when I start watching.

That's the second time I've heard "Boston Legal" recommended, so I'll give that a shot, too.

Live in Lakewood, Garrison and Alameda. Can now pull in KMGH, but KCNC 4-1 has been down all morning. Anyone else noticing this on KCNC.

Not much of a issue now but it sure would be dissapointing if KCNC's signal is lost around 1:00pm on Sunday afternoon during the AFC Championship Game. Anyone heard why KCNC might be down and if this could be a potential problem on Sunday afternoon. Someone should talk to KCNC's engineering department to verify what might be going on here.


Yep KCNC has been off since this morning for me as well.

Yep KCNC has been off since this morning for me as well.I don't care if they go off for seven months .... starting MONDAY.

That's the second time I've heard "Boston Legal" recommended, so I'll give that a shot, too.
I'll concur with Boston Legal being very good and quite funny too. We were watching Invasion, which follows Lost, but I gave up on it because nothing much happened and it got boring. And, Commander in Chief is done pretty well if you like that sort of thing. Donald Sutherland alone makes it interesting.

Lots of people watch Deperate Housewives and Greg's Anatomy, but I have not watched either one. The movie, Enemy of the State is on Sat night, but I couldn't stand to watch all the commercials :rolleyes: ... would have to be Tivoed.

Is it safe to assume that if I cannot get 4 or 9 in HD, then I have no chance of getting 7? I just did a scan, and no luck - so I'm afraid I won't be watching the Super Bowl in HD.

When's D* going to begin locals in HD again? Time to do some research . .

When's D* going to begin locals in HD again? Time to do some research . .

The exact date hasn't been announced.

A rough estimate of "this spring" is out there now. So, anywhere from 1-3 months I would guess...

Is it safe to assume that if I cannot get 4 or 9 in HD, then I have no chance of getting 7? I just did a scan, and no luck - so I'm afraid I won't be watching the Super Bowl in HD..Not being able to get 9 is a bad sign, that's the strongest RP station for most people. And you can't get 6 either, right?

Do you get any signal at all (meter >0) on any of the RP stations (frequencies 16-19 and 35)? What kind of antenna do you have, and where is it mounted?

Is it safe to assume that if I cannot get 4 or 9 in HD, then I have no chance of getting 7? I just did a scan, and no luck - so I'm afraid I won't be watching the Super Bowl in HD.
In this weird atmosphere, never assume. The antennas, while on top of the same building, may be at different heights, slightly different output, and they definitely have different radiation patterns. Testing is the only way to know.

When's D* going to begin locals in HD again? Time to do some research . .
mk's info is accurate. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in a few months.
....jc

I have some sort of ChannelMaster in the attic. I didn't install it, so I don't know what the model # is.

I get 10-20% on 6, but absolutely nothing on the RP stations.

I'd pay to have the antenna roof mounted (I'm not getting up there), but I don't think it would be any help.

I have some sort of ChannelMaster in the attic. I didn't install it, so I don't know what the model # is.
That info could be helpful.

I get 10-20% on 6, but absolutely nothing on the RP stations.
If I'm not mistaken, 6 - KRMA, is on RP.
....jc

Still SOL (Lack Of Signal in this backwards OTA DMA) in SW Longmont. I get no RP signals at all from roughly Pike and Airport.

Hopefully I can get my new QAM tuner card working under Linux before the SB. I do already get FOX (CM4228) and CBS (LA version from D*) for this weekend.

# Matt

I get 10-20% on 6, but absolutely nothing on the RP stations.I assume that you get the digital signals for KWGN (2-1) and KDVR (31-1) with no problem, right?

KRMA broadcasts analog on channel 6 from Lookout Mountain, and broadcasts digital on channel 18 from Republic Plaza. I've never heard anyone describe analog reception in percentages, so do you mean that you are getting 10%-20% for KRMA's DIGITAL SIGNAL (which is broadcast on channel 18 but remaps on your receiver as 6-1)?

If the antenna was left by a previous owner, it's pretty likely to have been pointed at Lookout Mountain rather than toward downtown where it needs to be.

I assume that you get the digital signals for KWGN (2-1) and KDVR (31-1) with no problem, right?

That is correct. No worries getting those signals.

KRMA broadcasts analog on channel 6 from Lookout Mountain, and broadcasts digital on channel 18 from Republic Plaza. I've never heard anyone describe analog reception in percentages, so do you mean that you are getting 10%-20% for KRMA's DIGITAL SIGNAL (which is broadcast on channel 18 but remaps on your receiver as 6-1)?

If the antenna was left by a previous owner, it's pretty likely to have been pointed at Lookout Mountain rather than toward downtown where it needs to be.

I'm looking at the setup screen on my Directv H10 receiver, and when I look at signal strength for 6-1, it shows between 10-20%. I assume that this is the digital signal, but now I'm wondering . . .

So there probably is a great chance it's pointed towards Lookout Mountain and not RP. Is it an either/or proposition, or could I conceivably get both locations from one antenna?

Lots to talk about since I last posted! :p

First, it is 2:02PM and all the RP stations are dark. Must be more KMGH stuff. I don't recall these issues when UPN and KUSA went to RP. Maybe KMGH is looking to save overtime dollars by not working late at night. :confused:

Second, TPW has always been helpful on the forum and other than a few political comments he has been great to hear from on the forum (he is def. better than Roller11). I do have a different take on all the new members. It is awesome to get more people "drinking the Kool-aid" of HDTV. They can help us to get things changed with Golden/Stations etc. The only reason Golden has taken their current stance is because it is the politically correct stance with the current landscape. With more people (preferably Golden residence) in favor of the antenna, we may be able to sway popular opinion.

Third, Welcome to all the new forum contributors. Please get involved in the battle for the new tower. Visit the following websites and sign any petitions that are in favor of progress:

http://www.hdtvcolorado.com

http://www.denverdtv.info (make sure to buy yourself a boycott Golden shirt)

Write letters to the editors of the Denver Post and Rocky Mountain News voicing your support of the towers.

Write to the broadcasters asking them for more coverage of the tower issue (and write KUSA to get them to provide 5.1 DD with non-live events).

Finally, I live in Centennial (University and County Line Road roughly) and receive a great signal from KMGH. Equal to the signal from KUSA.

-Matt

KCNC-DT says their outage today is planned and are expecting to be back on by primetime tonight (installing a new flange :rolleyes: ). They understand the importance of Sunday and have no intention of being off the air Sunday.

Zimdba, point toward RP and optimize your antenna position for the weakest of KMGH, KUSA, KTVD (when they come back on air), and KCNC (when they are back on air). KWGN and KDVR will still probably come in just fine. Analog might be crappier.

I'm getting a lock on channel 51 and it's remapping to 50-1, but no picture or sound. Maybe they are just testing? IIRC, their digital location is supposed to be Mt. Morrison.FWIW, I looked up KCEC-DT on http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp, and they show a new FCC record for a temporary authority, at a location on Jarre Canyon Road, west of Castle Rock.

I don't know about anybody else, but it is FUN to read all these reports about KMGH signal strength. I will repeat what I said before: It is too bad that they could not have done this in 2003 when a number of us complained appropriately about their crummy signal and no end in sight to the LCG/Jeffco fiasco.

Just proves that lawyers influence too much of what normal people, including executive decision makers, would do otherwise.


Well, I just found this forum in the last several weeks. You have no clue what I was doing prior to that.

I'm as connected as anybody to the politics in Jeffco and resent the statement about lawyers. You've proven nothing with your bizzare statement. If you have unambiguous evidence, produce it.

Granted lawyers file the motions and lawsuits, but the impetus comes from the same anti-development groups that have fought every zoning variance request in the county for the last 24 years I've been here. I'm not the greatest fan of unfettered growth, thinking it must pay its own way rather than demanding services from taxpayers for every new development (roads, schools, infrastructure). But the anti-development people have this one profoundly wrong.

On the other hand, why should a handful of corporations, who essentially control most of the media in this country, be able to change everybody's lives simply to boost their own profits! People not only have a right to question it, but a responsibility-- especially when it involves the use of the airwaves and lands that we, the public, own. Those microwaves are baking our brains, after all. We shouldn't add to the mix if we can avoid it. In this case, we cannot avoid it. It's a done deal. And resistance is futile. (I almost sound like the Borg).

But don't slam them and their lawyers out of hand like that. If you are capable of anything other than insults, then educate them! Persuade them! And when offering prejudices like you did above, offer a bit of evidence for it.

Is it an either/or proposition, or could I conceivably get both locations from one antenna?It's definitely conceivable, especially at your distance where the angle between them isn't as great. But since the Lookout Mountain stations are broadcasting at 10x the power level of the Republic stations, you are a lot more likely to pick up the Lookout Mountain stations with your antenna pointed downtown, than you are to pick up the RP stations with your antenna pointed at Lookout.

I don't know anything about your receiver, but 6-1 should be the digital signal. By convention the analog signal would be labeled 6-0.

BobLikesHDTV,

Dennis' laywer comments where in reference to personal experience with the KMGH lawyer(s) when some of us tried an FCC letter campaign a few years ago to try and force KMGH to upgrade their gerbil/coathanger facility on the studio's roof. We sometimes speak in a highly contextual way here since some of us have been hashing over this fiasco for years. If you're not aware of some of the references, just ask.

Still have not heard from Geoff or Leonard RE: KMGH. How's the reception fellas?

Am I the only person who thinks that more posts from Jetlag=more gooder! You have got to be my favorite contributor to the forum.

Live in Lakewood, Garrison and Alameda. Can now pull in KMGH, but KCNC 4-1 has been down all morning. Anyone else noticing this on KCNC.

Not much of a issue now but it sure would be dissapointing if KCNC's signal is lost around 1:00pm on Sunday afternoon during the AFC Championship Game. Anyone heard why KCNC might be down and if this could be a potential problem on Sunday afternoon. Someone should talk to KCNC's engineering department to verify what might be going on here.


If that happens, there's always Jackson's over on Kipling. :p I hope! :eek:

Wonder if the dark RP stations this afternoon is related to KTVD? Yesterday, when the RP stations went dark, KMGH came up.

I think the expectation was that they would be back sometime this week.

jc

BobLikesHDTV,

Dennis' laywer comments where in reference to personal experience with the KMGH lawyer(s) when some of us tried an FCC letter campaign a few years ago to try and force KMGH to upgrade their gerbil/coathanger facility on the studio's roof. We sometimes speak in a highly contextual way here since some of us have been hashing over this fiasco for years. If you're not aware of some of the references, just ask.
What Ron said. I wasn't even going to bother answering the post. My letter to the FCC took some time and a law firm responded to me and others with incredibly (and wrong) optimistic forecasts. I also put Deb Carney in my generic view of influencial lawyers. On the other hand, I do believe that the LCG lawyers are being directed by executives, not the other way around.

Dave, Can't you pull in 7.1 now since the move to RP?

Sadly, no. I have an antenna in my attic and all I can pull in is KWGN and KDVR. Before the holidays I tried re-aiming it but didn't have any luck. I know if I put up a mast I'd have better luck but that isn't in the plans (recent layoff and reluctant spousal unit ;) ) I'm located north of the church on 17th and Alpine, not too far from you right?

BTW, I haven't figured out how to get a signal strength reading from my SIR-TS360 D* receiver. When I do a channel scan it hesitates on a couple (18 being one) but doesn't lock. If I could get the signal strength perhaps I could zero in on it. Can anybody help me, if it is even a feature of this receiver? Thanks.

KCNC-DT says their outage today is planned and are expecting to be back on by primetime tonight (installing a new flange :rolleyes: ). They understand the importance of Sunday and have no intention of being off the air Sunday.

Zimdba, point toward RP and optimize your antenna position for the weakest of KMGH, KUSA, KTVD (when they come back on air), and KCNC (when they are back on air). KWGN and KDVR will still probably come in just fine. Analog might be crappier.

By the way, I had just arrived home after being out of town for a few days and saw the posts regarding KMGH at RP. However, from about 2:15 to 2:50pm I was not getting any signal for any of the RP stations except channel 6-KRMA. At 2:50pm all signals reappeared and 7-1 is coming in strong!

[QUOTE=Dave6833]BTW, I haven't figured out how to get a signal strength reading from my SIR-TS360 D* receiver. QUOTE]

I think this is the receiver I have (in any case, I have a Samsung HD D* receiver). I think your first issue is getting the channels to be listed (in the guide, for example). Fortunately, you can do this without scanning. Now I'm trying to do this from memory, so bear with me. One of the options in the setup menu somewhere is to download a list of local HD channels from D*. You tell it your zip code and it downloads the list of stations and includes guide information. Once you have these downloaded, you can turn to channel 4-1, for example, although you likely will have a blank screen. Once this channel is selected, you go to Menu->Setup->Antenna->OTA Signal Meter (or something like this).

Hope this helps

I was fishing this afternoon and came up with channel 46.3. Can't find a reference to that digital channel. They were showing a Jack Hannah animal show about 3:15 PM. Any thoughts on what this is and where it is broadcast from?

Thanks!

I was fishing this afternoon and came up with channel 46.3. Can't find a reference to that digital channel. They were showing a Jack Hannah animal show about 3:15 PM. Any thoughts on what this is and where it is broadcast from?

Thanks!It's KWHD-DT, which has their transmitter near Elizabeth. They broadcast on channel 46, but remap as 53-1 for me.

They are sort of like TVLand in the afternoons. The rest of the time they are a strange mix of religious, infomercials, third-tier sports, and outdoor shows.

...Once this channel is selected, you go to Menu->Setup->Antenna->OTA Signal Meter (or something like this)...

Thanks, that indeed works! I hadn't been selecting the channel first, so the signal strength option was blanked out.

I'm getting a steady 45% on 31-1, and 2-1 is bouncing between 10% and 55%. A quick check on 7-1 and 9-1 came up empty. I'll check the rest later tonight. Maybe there's hope.

Thanks again for the info.

For those of you who can receive this station, it's back on the air now. Apparently, they had a wind storm early Tuesday morning that took out the power. When the power company reconnected the power, a surge took out a piece of equipment at the site. The part(not a flange :p) had to be flown in from somewhere. The part was installed this afternoon. 5.1 & 5.2 now coming in strong here.
....jc

Well, I just found this forum in the last several weeks. You have no clue what I was doing prior to that.

I'm as connected as anybody to the politics in Jeffco and resent the statement about lawyers. You've proven nothing with your bizzare statement. If you have unambiguous evidence, produce it.

Granted lawyers file the motions and lawsuits, but the impetus comes from the same anti-development groups that have fought every zoning variance request in the county for the last 24 years I've been here. I'm not the greatest fan of unfettered growth, thinking it must pay its own way rather than demanding services from taxpayers for every new development (roads, schools, infrastructure). But the anti-development people have this one profoundly wrong.

On the other hand, why should a handful of corporations, who essentially control most of the media in this country, be able to change everybody's lives simply to boost their own profits! People not only have a right to question it, but a responsibility-- especially when it involves the use of the airwaves and lands that we, the public, own. Those microwaves are baking our brains, after all. We shouldn't add to the mix if we can avoid it. In this case, we cannot avoid it. It's a done deal. And resistance is futile. (I almost sound like the Borg).

But don't slam them and their lawyers out of hand like that. If you are capable of anything other than insults, then educate them! Persuade them! And when offering prejudices like you did above, offer a bit of evidence for it.


Here is part of the note that was being referenced. Many of us wrote to the FCC in late 2002/early 2003 asking for the commission's help in forcing KMGH to upgrade their facility.

This is part of the response from their lawyers. It was not to any of us, it was to Michael Powell: (NOTE, the bolding below is mine)


With regard to the temporary DTV facilities now being operated by KMGH-DT, they were the first DTV facilities installed in the Denver market, having gone on the air on Sunday, February 28, 1999 at 10:00 am. When installed, it was believed that the Lake Cedar Group original zoning application would be approved in a reasonable period of time and permanent DTV facilities would soon be constructed to serve the entire market. Unfortunately, local opposition to the Lake Cedar Group’s original zoning application resulted in its denial by Jefferson County. Had KMGH-DT known that the zoning process was to take an addition four years, a more significant temporary facility would have been installed.

The temporary DTV operations of KCNC-DT and KUSA-DT were granted by the Commission in November of 2001 and 2002, respectively. These facilities on the Republic Plaza building do operate with greater ERP and height than does KMGH-DT. However, the calculated 41 dBu contour of the KMGH-DT STA operation encompasses the community of Denver, excluding a portion of Denver International Airport property which was annexed as part of the city but has no residents. A move of KMGH-DT to the Republic Plaza building and an operation with ERP comparable to that of KCNC-DT and KUSA-DT would require an additional capital expenditure for a new transmitter and microwave equipment of $350,000 to $450,000, plus the applicable rental fee at the new temporary site. In light of our belief that Jefferson County will shortly grant the Lake Cedar Group zoning application which will permit the construction of permanent full power facilities on Lookout Mountain, such an expenditure is not prudent.

Many of us "older" members make references about this. Note that this response was dated 2/26/2003. So as of 2/2003, KGMH and attorneys believed the LCG tower would be up "shortly". Many of us here knew that statement was disingenuous at best and probably an outright lie. Even if it wasn't, in their own words, they had a bad track record "if we had known it would take another 4 years, we would have done something better." Now it is at 7 years and they finally did. This is also the source of our questions of "is this move really costing them $400K?" If so, I guess there is some reason why they can afford it more now than then.


Ahh, kind of "fun" to think back to the bad-old-days. ;)

Still have not heard from Geoff or Leonard RE: KMGH. How's the reception fellas?
I don't know for certain, but I am pretty sure Geof said he was going to be in NY most of Jan. working on his new home.

Sadly, no. I have an antenna in my attic and all I can pull in is KWGN and KDVR. Before the holidays I tried re-aiming it but didn't have any luck. I know if I put up a mast I'd have better luck but that isn't in the plans (recent layoff and reluctant spousal unit ;) ) I'm located north of the church on 17th and Alpine, not too far from you right?

Dave, I am just south of the church, I can see it from the end of my street. It sounds like you need to mount it on the roof. My wife thought I was nuts hauling that big antenna on the roof and reading this forum and trying to learn all I can about the issues here in Den. She wasn't happy at first, But now she is hooked on HD and can't stand any SD, Especially Football. Now I have her asking me about upgrading receivers, I guess I am one of the lucky ones. If you do decide to move your antenna and you would like some help, PM me.

I don't know for certain, but I am pretty sure Geof said he was going to be in NY most of Jan. working on his new home.

Yep, I do believe that's what he said. I don't know what happened to Leonard though.

Well I just tuned into 7-1 figuring I'd get nothing and I was shocked I was getting picture and sound! Of course the news is on now so it's an SD feed but I am getting a picture!

I also cheked my signal strengh (HR10-250) and I am getting a solid 85 on both tuners - that is what I was getting with KUSA (KCNC only comes in in the upper 60's).

Not sure if the switch is complete or just testing but the signal strength is great! It's about time!

I can just see it now, Broncos in the Super Bowl, and KMGH running the following promo:

"KMGH - Now proudly serving 500 households in the Metro-Denver area with our upgraded high-definition television transmitter!"

There's gonna be a lot of disappointed people out there who will be buying an HDTV specifically for the game, only to get it home and find out that they can't get a signal.

The best thing that could happen for DTV in metro-Denver is for the Broncos to go to the SB. As noted above and noted previously concerning all those watching HD at a friend's house, there will be a lot of residents wondering why DTV is so lagging here. Those are consumers and voters friends, and they will add to the pressure to get full power DTV here.

I, for one, believe the only reason we have KMGH from RP now is because of the Bronco MNF debacle back in September. Nothing like having an product, service, or issue associated w/ a winning Broncos team.

BTW, I'm getting KMGH averaging 90 on my Dish 811 (watched GMA in HD for the first time this morning), same as KUSA and KTVD (when it was on the air). KRMA comes in in the mid-80s and KCNC in the low-80s. That's at about 10 miles from RP and behind a small ridge line. I'm using an AD XG91 w/ a CM 7775 pre-amp in my attic. Now if I could just get KWGN on the XG91, I'd have a one-antenna DTV solution (wife absolutely hates the A/B switch).

After finishing transmission line maintenance and minor transmission line tuning on the KCNC-DT transmitter, Another round of signal level reports would be appreciated.

Steve Hoffman
KCNC

FWIW, I looked up KCEC-DT on http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp, and they show a new FCC record for a temporary authority, at a location on Jarre Canyon Road, west of Castle Rock.

Thanks, that explains why I pick them up on my RP antenna and not on my LOM antenna.

After finishing transmission line maintenance and minor transmission line tuning on the KCNC-DT transmitter, Another round of signal level reports would be appreciated.

Steve Hoffman
KCNC

I'm seeing a very solid 81 to 82 now on my Dish 811 receiver. Previously, a reading at this time in the evening bounced from 78 to 82. So, it appears the signal is at about the same strength here (azimuth 295 degrees from RP at a little under 10 miles w/o LOS to RP), but much more stable.

KMGH-DT 7.1 signal of 89-92 from Green Valley Ranch with a Winegard SS-1000 Square Shooter! :)

After finishing transmission line maintenance and minor transmission line tuning on the KCNC-DT transmitter, Another round of signal level reports would be appreciated.

Steve Hoffman
KCNC
Steve,
I just did a fairly complete RP signal test. The test included the use of two different antennas, two different receivers, from a distance of 54 miles. The results were conclusive:
KCNC - No Lock
KRMA - Lock, Viewable
KUSA - No Lock
KMGH - Lock, Viewable

So, since all of the antennas occupy the same piece of real estate, what are the differences? In this low power environment, the ERP doesn't seem to be the main factor. That leaves: Antenna Height, and the antenna's Radiation Pattern.

Can you please tell us what the antenna height differences are? And, in your opinion why KCNC's signal is more difficult to receive than say, KRMA?
....jc

Rechecked my KCNC-DT signal strength. Last night it was 71, tonight 70. A one-point difference is insignificant - could be any manner of things.

Here is my report from Columbine Hills near Chatfield and Pierce.

My set up is a DirecTV HR10-250 - Radioshack 6' yagi roof mount pointing towards Republic.

16 KUSA 90
17 KMGH 95
18 KRMA 91
19 KTVD 0
21 KFTC 20 no lock
32 KDVR 71
34 KWGN 71
35 KCNC 86
38 KBDI 20 no lock
51 KCEC 71 no audio - very bad analog picture with ghosting. (It looks like they may have a digital camera pointing at a bad analog fed TV)

It looks like I may be able to get by with a smaller antenna now!

I have a Channel Master VHF/UHF mounted in my attic at about 17' AGL. Sorry, I don't remember the boom length. I'm running an H-10 near Green Valley Ranch.

2-1 = 69-77
4-1 = 77
6-1 = 69-77
7-1(2) = 79.86
9-1(2) = 93
12-1(2,3) = 69-77
20-1 = Nothing... not even listed as an option at 19-1.
31-1 = 93
53 = 30-45 and won't lock.

I really don't think I'm missing anything not being able to pull in 14 and 50 though. ;)

No pixelization on any of the channels that I am pulling in, so 69% must be farely adequate.

After finishing transmission line maintenance and minor transmission line tuning on the KCNC-DT transmitter, Another round of signal level reports would be appreciated.

Steve Hoffman
KCNC

I'm now getting between 60 - 62 - so it has gotten worse for me. I was getting between 65 - 68.

Any chance you have plans to increase your power? KCNC is the lowest power station from RP by far for me and reading other posts I believe it is for others as well.

After finishing transmission line maintenance and minor transmission line tuning on the KCNC-DT transmitter, Another round of signal level reports would be appreciated.

Steve Hoffman
KCNC

County Line & Holly in Centennial. DB2 antenna mounted outside, no amp. Samsung SIR-T451 (Strenght is measured in Bars displayed, I think there is a max of 10 bars maybe 11).

KWGN 8 solid bars
KCNC 9 -> 10 bars fluctuating (last time it was 10 solid)
KRMA 10 solid bars
KMGH 10 solid bars
KUSA 10 solid bars
KBDI 6 -> 7 bars fluctuating
KDVR 10 solid bars

Here's something that doesn't get mentioned too much, but I feel is signifigant. With everybody fighting for every last digit in reception strength, your receiver is key. About a month ago, I installed a new Dish 942 and the OTA receiver in it is way better than my old Dish 921's internal OTA receiver. I had constant drop-outs and rarely received some channels, now I get all the signals with no issues at all (except I'm shadowed for KBDI and on the backside of KWGN's directional tower)

So, just a thought to those with reception problems, maybe test a different receiver.

i spoke to them yesterday and they are going live on monday with a new HD tower on republic plaza, where the others currently broadcast!!!! the lookout tower mess goes on, but I/we should have HD ABC OTA for the super bowl :-)

i spoke to them yesterday and they are going live on monday with a new HD tower on republic plazaDude, a little late, they've been live from RP for a couple of days.

I am still getting a 69% on both 7.x and 9.x, but my 7.1 (not 7.2) has an audio stuttering that I would say is happening 75% of the time. The picture looks locked on, and the other stations (including 9.1) have no problems with the audio. This has happened since I first received the signal the other day. As I plan on moving my DB4 outside as soon as it warms up a little, I'm not too worried. But nobody else seems to be reporting any audio problems, so that's kind of weird. For reference, my box is a SIR-T160.

2.1 = 93%
4.1 = mostly 0.. sometimes 20%
6.1 = 63-69%
7.1 = 69%
9.1 = 69%
31.1 = 77%

Just south of Surrey Ridge, Castle Rock.

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Update: I'm now pretty sure that my audio problems are due to my receiver. I can channel up/down a few times and get it to go away.

i spoke to them yesterday and they are going live on monday with a new HD tower on republic plaza, where the others currently broadcast!!!! the lookout tower mess goes on, but I/we should have HD ABC OTA for the super bowl :-)

Location: Westchester, NY

The broadcast range from RP is better than it was when they were on their building, but I wouldn't get my hopes up that you'd receive the signal back East :)

I'm now getting video from KCEC-DT (50-1). No audio, but it wouldn't improve my understanding of their programs anyway. Maybe it's just the show they had on, but the video was pretty crappy, lots of ghosts.

How do you get ghosts on a DTV signal? KDEN-DT (an even lower-budget operation) seems to always have this problem too.

FWIW, I was watching Conan last night when KUSA DT went out. I looked at the other RP stations and they were also out. Must have been some humans on the roof late last night doing some antenna work. Must have been a tad bit cold on the roof, although I am sure they were glad at least it wasn't snowing.

I'm now getting video from KCEC-DT (50-1). No audio, but it wouldn't improve my understanding of their programs anyway. Maybe it's just the show they had on, but the video was pretty crappy, lots of ghosts.

How do you get ghosts on a DTV signal? KDEN-DT (an even lower-budget operation) seems to always have this problem too.

Sounds multipathsmatic to me.

Sounds multipathsmatic to me.well yes, like multipath on an ANALOG signal. But multipath on a digital signal would cause dropouts and pixellation, not ghosts.

After finishing transmission line maintenance and minor transmission line tuning on the KCNC-DT transmitter, Another round of signal level reports would be appreciated.

Steve Hoffman
KCNC

Looks like mine got good for a little while, and then went back down today..

Signal levels as of 1/21/06 @ 4:32pm
4 KCNC (CBS) 48
7 KMGH (ABC) 38
6 KRMA (PBS) 52
20 KTVD (UPN) 0
9 KUSA (NBC) 64

Here is a 48-hour graph. KCNC is the black line. This is from southern Longmont.

Anyone know if its possible for a Zenith HDSat-520 to receive off air schedule info... all I get is local programming in the guide. This is used with DirectTV as well, DirectTV schedule shows, but not off air. Thanks!

I'm now getting video from KCEC-DT (50-1). No audio, but it wouldn't improve my understanding of their programs anyway. Maybe it's just the show they had on, but the video was pretty crappy, lots of ghosts.

How do you get ghosts on a DTV signal? KDEN-DT (an even lower-budget operation) seems to always have this problem too.

Well, it's obviously happening on the analog side of things, before the signal is converted to digital and transmitted. I'm certainly no engineer, so I couldn't tell you what is causing it exactly.

Maybe KMGH's gerbil became disgruntled after he found out he was being let go, and went on a cable chewing rampage?

KCEC-DT shows a good signal but has no video or audio right now.

Where are they broadcasting from?