As for picking up signals I am near 75th and Lookout (on the south side) and use a Radio Shack UHF only antenna (I have had it for years, don't remember the number, but it was about $35). I get everything from the RP at about 75% and easily get the DTV from Lookout stations without turning the antenna. I don't get a whiff of KBDI though although some people nearby apparently get that as well. Yeah, I'm just a couple blocks east of John and I can get KBDI if I train my Channel Master 4228 directly at Squaw - but since KBDI has no HD, I haven't bothered with any kind of rotator. With my antenna pointed at RP I can get solid reception on the major networks and still pick up WB and Fox. So I just leave it like that. Plus I get a couple of Spanish channels, which came in handy during the World Cup; I'm too cheap to get cable.

So BoulderGeek, you should have a good shot from that location - unless, as he said, you have some particular obstruction like a hill right in front of you.

OK, I have a new antenna installed, a Winegard GS-2200 amplified bidierectional.

I receive everything except for ABC, channel 7-1. That's going to really irritate me when 'Lost' starts up again.

Antennaweb.com indicates that it could be due to the low power transmission from the Lookout mountain transponder. Any ideas on locating channel 7-1?

I have my antenna pointed at 190 degrees, as per AntennaWeb. Everything is solid, except for ABC. I get two Fox stations, the Denver and Ft. COllins feeds. I'd happily trade one for ABC. :-D

I had tried to point at downtown Denver, but I didn't get a full set of channels that way. I tried 180 degrees, to try to get slop on both sides to take in RP and Lookout. My antenna has a 30 degree field of view per side, so I thought that woudl have worked. But, no dice.

I do get 3 KBDI channels (in digital SD) though. And, yes, NBC looks to be in 4:3 but says HD, even though I am set to 16:9.

Interesting new world we have here.

OK, I have a new antenna installed, a Winegard GS-2200 amplified bidierectional.

I receive everything except for ABC, channel 7-1. That's going to really irritate me when 'Lost' starts up again.
That really surprises me, as 7-1 is the strongest signal I get from RP in Louisville.

I have a UHF Yagi pointed at RP, and get KWGN-DT and KDVR-DT just fine from Lookout, but absolutely no trace of KBDI-DT (or for that matter, KGWN-DT from Cheyenne, even though I get pretty good reception of their analog signal on channel 5.)

am trying to get signal facing south from eastern Boulder county (Hwy 287 & Arapahoe)
I have my antenna pointed at 190 degrees....Unless I am mistaken, Republic Plaza (CH 4, 6, 7, 9, 20 DT) should be 19.7 miles on a bearing of 152 degrees magnetic from the intersection of Arapahoe Rd and Hwy 287.

The Lookout Mountain towers (CH 2, 31 DT), OTOH, are about 20.9 miles on a bearing of 189 degrees magnetic from that location.

Unless I am mistaken, Republic Plaza (CH 4, 6, 7, 9, 20 DT) should be 19.7 miles on a bearing of 152 degrees magnetic from the intersection of Arapahoe Rd and Hwy 287.

The Lookout Mountain towers (CH 2, 31 DT), OTOH, are about 20.9 miles on a bearing of 189 degrees magnetic from that location.

Ah, now that is interesting data.

Antennaweb says 190 for Lookout mountain and 184 for downtown. Now, I know RP has to be <180 degrees, but perhaps I wasn't pulling far enough to the east to hit their signal.

I'll go for a reposition to try to hit the 152 degree signal. I wish I had a signal targeting thingamajig.

Now I am wondering if I should have gotten an old style omnidirectional instead of a narrow directional antenna. The one I have looks cool and is really unobtrusive, though. :o

Thanks very much, you've all been very helpful and tolerant of a n00b.

I think it needs to be said again to remind the Noobies. Low-power OTA DTV is a game of inches. You can do everything possible to figure out your exact angle and elevation to RP, but as many of us have found out, that only works on paper.

You really need to try moving your antennas inches in all directions. A couple of inches up/down and left/right, can make all the difference in pulling in a signal. And sometimes aiming off the direction helps too. You might get a stronger signal off a bounce (I do, I have to aim my antenna about 20 degrees south of RP to get the best signal)

Now I am wondering if I should have gotten an old style omnidirectional instead of a narrow directional antenna. Not sure what you mean by an "old style omindirectional antenna", unless it's one of thos flying saucer types you see on RVs (really just a built-in rotator).

The reason for preferring a directional antenna is to reduce multi-path, which occurs when you get the signal bouncing at you from several directions. On analog TV this causes multiple images, or "ghosts"; on digital TV it prevents your tuner from locking so you end up with no picture even though the signal(s) may be strong enough.

Try pointing your antenna a bit more to the east as others have said, and see if that does the trick for 7-1. KMGH digital comes from downtown (RP) along with KRMA, KUSA, and KCNC. With any luck you can get WB and Fox with the same orientation; if not you can always place a simple indoor antenna next to the TV and switch between sources; it usually doesn't take much to pick up WB and Fox.

FYI:

A few new things have been added to the DenverDTV "For Sale (http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/forsale.htm)" section.

In an update to my new installation thread, I learned that the Winegard wing antenna needs to face broadside to its target. I had read in some other thread where someone had insisted that it went narrow side pointing toward your target.

By moving my antenna roughly 90 to its orientation, and facing the broad side toward RP, I was able to lock 2-1, 2-2, 4-1, 6-1, 9-1 and 31-1. Still no 7-1, no matter how I orient it.

But, all that means for me is that I watch Lost on DVD or SD.

I assume that when the LakeCedar stations go to full power, I'll be able to get them all.

Now, to figure out how to make my ReplayTV drive and record from the SIR-T451.

Thanks for all of your help, gang!

Originally posted by Santellavision"
I think it needs to be said again to remind the Noobies. Low-power OTA DTV is a game of inches. You can do everything possible to figure out your exact angle and elevation to RP, but as many of us have found out, that only works on paper.

You really need to try moving your antennas inches in all directions. A couple of inches up/down and left/right, can make all the difference in pulling in a signal. And sometimes aiming off the direction helps too. You might get a stronger signal off a bounce (I do, I have to aim my antenna about 20 degrees south of RP to get the best signal)

Great advice, Ernie! I just finished helping a neighbor with an outdoor antenna install. Moving the antenna to get all of the channels was almost like a chess game. And, the best reception from RP occured with the antenna pointed away about 30 degrees east of RP.

..............
By moving my antenna roughly 90 to its orientation, and facing the broad side toward RP, I was able to lock 2-1, 2-2, 4-1, 6-1, 9-1 and 31-1. Still no 7-1, no matter how I orient it.

But, all that means for me is that I watch Lost on DVD or SD.

...........

Seems a bit strange that you can get the other RP stations and not get 7-1. Have you toyed with the pointing a bit while checking (i.e. adjust the antenna +/- about 10 degrees or so)? It sure seems like you should be getting 7 too or else there might be some other issue (try manually looking for just that channel etc.). I wouldn't give up if you are that close. Try moving the antenna up or down a foot or too as well. As Ernie and others have mentioned, this is often a game of inches with the RP stations.

Seems a bit strange that you can get the other RP stations and not get 7-1. Have you toyed with the pointing a bit while checking (i.e. adjust the antenna +/- about 10 degrees or so)? It sure seems like you should be getting 7 too or else there might be some other issue (try manually looking for just that channel etc.). I wouldn't give up if you are that close. Try moving the antenna up or down a foot or too as well. As Ernie and others have mentioned, this is often a game of inches with the RP stations.

Well, my antenna is about 6 feet higher than the roofline of my two story house on a hill. So, I can't really go any higher and still mount it.

I did noodle with the rotation a lot today. Man, was it ever hot on the roof. I had a digital thermometer up there that said 122F!

I could over or under rotate and lose channels, but never get 7-1 to come in. I am applying powered pre-amp to the antenna, too. Without power assist, locking any RP stations was difficult or not happening.

I'm OK with what I have. 6 out of 7 is fine by me. Perhaps when the trees defoliate, I'll get more. And I'm sure that Lookout Mountain debacle is gong to be resolved any day now. :-/

Well, my antenna is about 6 feet higher than the roofline of my two story house on a hill. So, I can't really go any higher and still mount it.

I did noodle with the rotation a lot today. Man, was it ever hot on the roof. I had a digital thermometer up there that said 122F!

I could over or under rotate and lose channels, but never get 7-1 to come in. I am applying powered pre-amp to the antenna, too. Without power assist, locking any RP stations was difficult or not happening.

I'm OK with what I have. 6 out of 7 is fine by me. Perhaps when the trees defoliate, I'll get more. And I'm sure that Lookout Mountain debacle is gong to be resolved any day now. :-/

You might try lowering it a foot or two if you can safely do that without boiling tomorrow. It's a matter of inches.....if it is not too much trouble give that a shot too. You never know. Mine is tied to a post on my back deck and is only as high as the first floor and I get them all. My neighbor has his on TOP of his two story house and can't get a couple of RP stations (I forget which). Mine is at least 10 feet lower and works better. Some times you can get a skip or a diffraction better than a direct signal when you are right at the lower edge of line of sight. Just some thoughts, it sure seems a shame to miss the one channel when it is from the same place at a similar power.

There's got to be something causing you to lose signal or otherwise just not lock on to 7-1, perhaps aim or something else.

I double checked, and from my location in Louisville, 7-1 is more powerful than the signals I see for 4-1, 6-1, 9-1 or 20-1, the other RP digital signals.

What was said about a "game of inches" is true; when i was aiming my antenna, I was able to get 4-1, 6-1 and 9-1 just fine but 4-1 would have drop outs at night. I rotated the antenna a degree or two, and I haven't had an issue with 4-1 since.

You may also want to try tilting your antenna upward. I know it may look and seem weird but the higher I pointed my antenna above the horizon the better the signals.

Like the others say, it is a game of inches.

The UPN 20 (HD channel 19-whatever it is today) growing pains continue. The Rockies game had no sound. And it would be nice, one, day, to have them in HD.

I am so tired of horse-and-buggy TV technology. How about you?

I am so tired of horse-and-buggy TV technology. How about you?

Not sure what you mean by this. However, I somewhat fault Michael Powell, or whatever FCC chairman determined that letting the market decide on HDTV standards is a good idea. It should have been a clear direction from the start: HDTV will be 1080p (or 1080i whatever), and that's the standard.

Additonally, I think the confusion between HDTV and Digital TV has lengthened the adoption time for both.

My $0.02.

However, I somewhat fault Michael Powell, or whatever FCC chairman determined that letting the market decide on HDTV standards is a good idea. It should have been a clear direction from the start: HDTV will be 1080p (or 1080i whatever), and that's the standard.
Whoa! Don't blame the FCC. They weren't in charge. SHREVA is just another piece of anti-citizen/anti-consumer legislation that is produced by our corrupt government.

This legislation was written by broadcasters, for broadcasters...

To try and confuse us, they give us a crumb every now and then, but make no mistake: SHREVA was not written with us(the consumer) in mind.

Additonally, I think the confusion between HDTV and Digital TV has lengthened the adoption time for both.
I'm not sure that is true. SHREVA has so many loopholes, that it's obvious the purpose was a slow rollout. For instance, KOAA(NBC) in the Springs, has yet to transmit any type of digital signal! And, they have a waiver to prevent anyone from getting a digital signal test. Written for us? Yea, right! :mad:
....jc

Whoa! Don't blame the FCC. They weren't in charge. SHREVA is just another piece of anti-citizen/anti-consumer legislation that is produced by our corrupt government.

This legislation was written by broadcasters, for broadcasters...


To try and confuse us, they give us a crumb every now and then, but make no mistake: SHREVA was not written with us(the consumer) in mind.


I like to refer to legislation as "purchased." I don't doubt for even a second that broadcasters wrote it with their best interest (profits) in mind. Rarely is legislation passed for the consumer.

That said, I didn't really do enough research first. Thanks for setting me straight. I'm not a guy who's shy about voicing his opinion. Unfortunately, the truth got in the way of a good story.


I'm not sure that is true. SHREVA has so many loopholes, that it's obvious the purpose was a slow rollout.
Cost avoidance == bigger profit! I don't doubt this either.

Not sure what you mean by this. However, I somewhat fault Michael Powell, or whatever FCC chairman determined that letting the market decide on HDTV standards is a good idea. It should have been a clear direction from the start: HDTV will be 1080p (or 1080i whatever), and that's the standard.

Additonally, I think the confusion between HDTV and Digital TV has lengthened the adoption time for both.

My $0.02.

I'm talking low-def, blurry, flat sound, lines and snow.

Being a social democrat, I think government should absolutely make the decision on standards like this, just as it does with weights and measures. Hell, they have professionals go around from grocery store to grocery store checking the scales to make sure they measure properly. They should do just a bit of planning for something as important as TV and radio broadcasts.

The last time they tried to let the market decide on broadcast technology was AM-Stereo. Anybody remember that? I think there were five technologies ultimately. Each radio had to be built with the ability to receive all five, making the radios crazy expensive.

And where is this technology now, you ask? The same place as Betamax...
carpe inferior.

But I still have an AM Stereo radio!!!

The UPN 20 (HD channel 19-whatever it is today) growing pains continue. The Rockies game had no sound. And it would be nice, one, day, to have them in HD.

I am so tired of horse-and-buggy TV technology. How about you?

The Rockies actually have tv announcers worth listening to? Usually people want to mute the tv announcer in favor of the am radio feed.

The Rockies actually have tv announcers worth listening to? Usually people want to mute the tv announcer in favor of the am radio feed.

Drew Goodman and George Frasier are okay. Not great, but passable.

I had the blessing of growing up in Los Angeles. My announcers were:

Dodgers - Vin Scully, Jerry Doggett, Ross Porter (no color announcer)

Lakers - the late, great Chic Hearn and doing color, Pat Riley (the coach of the Miami Heat).

Rams - Dick Enberg.

Truly blessed.

The Rockies actually have tv announcers worth listening to? Usually people want to mute the tv announcer in favor of the am radio feed.
No, our announcers... they're not really worth listening to, especially George Frasier. The guy talks a lot, but says a whole lot of nothing and gets stuck on one topic and beats it into the ground. You really get the feeling he just likes to hear himself talk. I listen to KOA radio while I watch.

Why would ANYONE buy a computer that can only run one piece of software?

Ken,

Can you say Chyron, CMX? ;)
(Inside broadcast video joke)

STB=Basically, a computer.

ATSC Standards=Software programs for above mentioned computer. 18 of them. :rolleyes:

Simple.

I just watched "Veronica Mars" that I recorded last night...and to my amazement they were in HD! The 7pm episode had some video problems for the first 15 minutes or so, but it was good to go after that. Thank you KTVD!

Has anyone else seen HD content on KTVD-DT? When did they start doing this? I know that last Tuesdays VM was still SD.

Are you SURE it was HD? I'll keep my eye out during "Eve" tonight at 8PM.

dr_mal, Did you hear that HDNet will air ST:E this Fall? ( see thread Star Trek Enterprise on HDNet (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=700162))

I live in Colorado Springs but I'm going to help my brother in Highlands Ranch hook up a new HDTV & DirecTV HD TiVo & antenna.

Just scanning the last page of this humongous thread, it looks like all the 4 major networks are now broadcasting at a high enough power level that he should be able to pick them all up.

Is this true?
Any chance of picking up the downtown stations with an indoor antenna?
Can anyone offer a quick tip or two or things to avoid before we do this so I don't have to read through 15,000 posts! ;)

Thanks,
Rob

Are you SURE it was HD? I'll keep my eye out during "Eve" tonight at 8PM.

Ron,

I'm absolutely positive. Higher Resolution, 16x9 AR...and the odd shift of the "UPN" logo back to SD for a second before the commercials.
If it quacks like 1080i...it's 1080i ;)

Put up a decent rooftop antenna, aim it toward downtown and you'll be good to go. Highlands Ranch is a good location to receive almost all available, low-power DTV.

4,6,7,9,20 are all downtown and 2 & 31 are on Lookout Mt. But, aim downtown as they are the weakest signals. 2 & 31 are more powerful and you should have no issues pulling them in.

You will most likely pull in 12 from Squaw Mt (but they are not in HD) and a few other independent channels, also not in HD.

Has anyone else seen HD content on KTVD-DT? When did they start doing this?.I haven't seen ANY content on KTVD-DT lately. Whenever I tune them in I just get a single frame and no sound. It's not a signal strength issue, but there is something about their datastream that my tuner (LG4210A) doesn't like.

I haven't seen ANY content on KTVD-DT lately. Whenever I tune them in I just get a single frame and no sound. It's not a signal strength issue, but there is something about their datastream that my tuner (LG4210A) doesn't like.
No sh*t! My LG LSS-3200A used to pick it up as 19-3. 19-3 was dead today. It was interesting. When I first poked in 19-3, it quickly went to 20-1, then to D* channel 100!!!! So, I rescanned UHF 19. It programmed it as 20-1! I turn to 20-1. Nothing, no audio or video.

Ok, fine. I switch to my Mits' internal tuner. Everything fine, on 19-1!

Me thinks they missed the PSIP-101 class! :p
....jc

For grins I just checked KTVD again. It now maps to 20-1 with audio & video. Once more, it looks to be in HD(1st time here). The bad news is that the pic was here & there, pixelated. 1st time that I remember that. So, maybe it's the weather. Never the less, it tastes like HD to me!
....jc

Has anyone else had any problems with 9-1 when they switch from HD to SD? For about the past 3 days, my TV seems to have a problem with the switchover. Usually, it is just a frozen screen for a second and then it switches, but every once in a while (about once every 4 or 5 changeovers), the TV will show "No Signal", even though it has a very strong signal. Switching channels and coming back to 9-1 fixes the problem. I've also started noticing green stripes flashing on the screen both during the HD->SD switches and the SD->HD switches. This only happens on 9-1.

TV: LG 30FZ4D with the 5th Gen ATSC tuner.

Has anyone else had any problems with 9-1 when they switch from HD to SD? For about the past 3 days, my TV seems to have a problem with the switchover. Usually, it is just a frozen screen for a second and then it switches, but every once in a while (about once every 4 or 5 changeovers), the TV will show "No Signal", even though it has a very strong signal. Switching channels and coming back to 9-1 fixes the problem. I've also started noticing green stripes flashing on the screen both during the HD->SD switches and the SD->HD switches. This only happens on 9-1.

TV: LG 30FZ4D with the 5th Gen ATSC tuner.


Yea it was really bad yeasterday. It's happening on comcast too. I have a Moto 6412 & if it's buffered & I try & fast forward it will just freez the box untill I hit play & go past that spot.

Today however it seemed to be better.

I've seen problems with KUSA the last few days also. I haven't seen any green lines but they appear to have problems switching from HD to SD commercials, especially on their newscasts. They also showed Leno in SD on Tuesday night.

The PSIP must still be screwed up on KTVD. After they got the remapping right to 20-1, I could receive them for a day or two. Now, just like prior to a couple of weeks ago, I can receive them on some of my receivers but my main TV with an E* 211 receiver shows great signal strength, a good lock, but no picture or sound. My Accurians have the same problem, but my E* 811 and my son's TV with a built in ATSC tuner are OK. I hope KUSA's Don Perez is monitoring this thread.

I've started watching Channel 7's news due to not only the constant, ongoing and seemingly neverending problems at KUSA, but channel 7 simply puts on a better newscast which is also MUCH less self-promoting than channel 9's newscast. I just wish channel 7's news were in HD, as that was the only reason I dared watch 9News. KUSA has always had problems with HD since the beginning. They routinely forget to switch shows into HD, and sometimes they will do it 5 or 10 minutes into the show (presumably after a viewer calls or something). I've never (or at least very rarely) seen this happen with KMGH or whatever channel 4's call letters are. Perhaps the people working at KUSA are just too used to the "old days".

In short, KUSA = constantly bad presentation. And now they're trying to handle channel 20 simultaneously? Oy!

I live in Colorado Springs but I'm going to help my brother in Highlands Ranch hook up a new HDTV & DirecTV HD TiVo & antenna.

Just scanning the last page of this humongous thread, it looks like all the 4 major networks are now broadcasting at a high enough power level that he should be able to pick them all up.

Is this true?
Any chance of picking up the downtown stations with an indoor antenna?
Can anyone offer a quick tip or two or things to avoid before we do this so I don't have to read through 15,000 posts! ;)

Thanks,
Rob

I live in Highlands Ranch around Broadway and Lucent. I just recently installed a DB2 antenna on the roof, aimed it about 15% east of downtown and get channels 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 20, 31, 51. From my roof, I have line of sight to downtown as well as Lookout Mtn, which is why I went with the small DB2. Check out antennaweb.org to determine what type of antenna you'll need. You can find the DB2 at pcalchemy.com or antennasdirect.com.

I initially tried the Zenith Silver Sensor (a highly reviewed indoor antenna) and was able to pick up 2 and 31 with little to no trouble, however, I couldn't get a lock on the other stations unless I moved the antenna to my front room with a 50 foot coax and hung it upside down from a curtain rod. The wife went nuts on that one! :eek: Good luck and remember to properly ground both the antenna and the RG6. ;)

dr_mal, Did you hear that HDNet will air ST:E this Fall? ( see thread Star Trek Enterprise on HDNet (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=700162))
I had heard that - hadn't seen the thread though. I guess I can delete all those reruns (new to me) I'd been saving up from KWGN (taking up HD space on the TiVo with SD content - ugh).

Another letter to the Editor in the RMN (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/letters/article/0,2777,DRMN_23966_4855995,00.html)

I've started watching Channel 7's news due to not only the constant, ongoing and seemingly neverending problems at KUSA, but channel 7 simply puts on a better newscast which is also MUCH less self-promoting than channel 9's newscast. I just wish channel 7's news were in HD, as that was the only reason I dared watch 9News. KUSA has always had problems with HD since the beginning. They routinely forget to switch shows into HD, and sometimes they will do it 5 or 10 minutes into the show (presumably after a viewer calls or something). I've never (or at least very rarely) seen this happen with KMGH or whatever channel 4's call letters are. Perhaps the people working at KUSA are just too used to the "old days".

In short, KUSA = constantly bad presentation. And now they're trying to handle channel 20 simultaneously? Oy!

Wow Joe, your experience watching KUSA has been totally different than mine. Don's had some problems over the last few days with the KTVD integration, but vary rarely have I seen any of the problems you describe.

Wow Joe, your experience watching KUSA has been totally different than mine. Don's had some problems over the last few days with the KTVD integration, but vary rarely have I seen any of the problems you describe.
I guess it depends on what you watch. The morning news is fine.

L&O: CI (Sunday? nights) routinely has issues with the HD being late, segments in the wrong order, or any myriad of things. Pretty frustrating.

There's going to be a new, non-profit group starting in a week or two which will be PRO-TOWER. It will be designed to counter sCARE and all their BS propaganda. The soon-to-be-named group will need some help with recruitment, and do a occasional petition signing at say a King Soopers. Also we are planning to do volunteer work for some local candidates.

If anybody has an idea for the name, please post it asap!
Stay tuned, more to come,

How about:

Friends United, Seriously Criticizing Anti-Reception Evangelists

The acronym would be:

F.U., S.C.A.R.E.!

:D

How about:

Friends United, Seriously Criticizing Anti-Reception Evangelists

The acronym would be:

F.U., S.C.A.R.E.!

:D
Best.Post.Ever. :D

Has anyone else had any problems with 9-1 when they switch from HD to SD? For about the past 3 days, my TV seems to have a problem with the switchover. Usually, it is just a frozen screen for a second and then it switches, but every once in a while (about once every 4 or 5 changeovers), the TV will show "No Signal", even though it has a very strong signal. Switching channels and coming back to 9-1 fixes the problem. I've also started noticing green stripes flashing on the screen both during the HD->SD switches and the SD->HD switches. This only happens on 9-1.

TV: LG 30FZ4D with the 5th Gen ATSC tuner.

Last night it was terrible. The end of L&O was messed up, promos froze, commercials skipped and repeated and I did see the green flash on the SD/HD switch. I emailed Don Perez last night and I will post if I get a reply.

BTW, I do get the occasional 'no signal' but all I have to do is wait a few seconds and it comes back

I've started watching Channel 7's news due to not only the constant, ongoing and seemingly neverending problems at KUSA, but channel 7 simply puts on a better newscast which is also MUCH less self-promoting than channel 9's newscast. I just wish channel 7's news were in HD, as that was the only reason I dared watch 9News. KUSA has always had problems with HD since the beginning. They routinely forget to switch shows into HD, and sometimes they will do it 5 or 10 minutes into the show (presumably after a viewer calls or something). I've never (or at least very rarely) seen this happen with KMGH or whatever channel 4's call letters are. Perhaps the people working at KUSA are just too used to the "old days".

In short, KUSA = constantly bad presentation. And now they're trying to handle channel 20 simultaneously? Oy!


My Better Half and I agree with you about Channel 7 news being far superior to 9, and yet they seem to keep having an uphill battle for viewers. We got cynical, sick, and tired of seeing a cute fuzzy animal story each night on 9. Ever since they figured out that people liked seeing those d*mn polar bear cubs every newscast, they decided people want news, sports, weather, and fuzzy animals! We like animals, they are delicious, but enough is enough! It's not news!!!

I emailed the station GM, thanking him for moving on from the coat hanger and giving the hamsters their well earned retirement, and by the way where's our newscast in HD because every so often we get weak, and the news on 9 just looks so darn beautiful (not really talking about Adelle here.)

He replied back with a very nice email containing some vague promises about the not-so-near future. Just like he used to do with the coat hanger. Watching stuff in HD vs SD has gotten like eating at Magiannos one night and having a stale cheese sandwich the next.

You know, I think Antennaweb's info is bogus. I just spent over an hour repositioning my antenna to their specs, which are markedly different from what has been working for me.

Still on the quest to get 7.1 in addition to 4.1, 6.1, 9.1 and 31.1

The best reception that I get is still the 153 degrees, not the 190 that antennaweb indicates. The little street level map is cool though. If it were correct.

I just watch 9News for HD Kathy Sabine. :o :) :rolleyes:

Wow Joe, your experience watching KUSA has been totally different than mine. Don's had some problems over the last few days with the KTVD integration, but vary rarely have I seen any of the problems you describe.

Joe is spot-on correct.

During the regular TV season, we watch/record programs on Sunday, Monday and Thursday nights. KUSA-DT consistently must be "reminded" to turn on the HD signal. I can't count the number of times a program starts off with a tiny image. And it's not like an SD image. It looks like a letterboxed program. It's still 16x9, but it's in the SD image space. So, basically, we're back in the 60s watching on a 21" screen.

They did this consistently with West Wing and the Law and Order programs. Heck, there were times a later broadcast like Law and Order (Thurs) would begin transmitting at 7PM rather than 9PM. They would "catch" the problem about 10 minutes into the show and then we'd see the 7PM show. This is not only sloppy work, it must also give them problems with the "family hour" requirements, showing murder-centered programming so early in the night.

Is there a technical reason why I never see this same seeming lack of attention from the other HD channels in town? Sure KMGH had the notorious no-HD Broncos Monday Night Football game earlier this year, and they have hellacious trouble with the Dolby 5.1 on LOST, but nothing like the mini-screen.

There must be a non-labor-centered way to fix that. Like, for example, leaving the HD on all the time.

Another HD channel with recent trouble is PBS-HD. The pixelization over the last week made some programs (the Art and Philosophy programs) simply unwatchable. And don't try calling anybody at Rocky Mountain PBS. Nobody's home after 6PM. And when you do find somebody during they day, you get the Sgt. Shultz response: "I know nothing! I see nothing!".

Cowtown TV. Just say, "Moo!"

You know, I think Antennaweb's info is bogus. I just spent over an hour repositioning my antenna to their specs, which are markedly different from what has been working for me.

Still on the quest to get 7.1 in addition to 4.1, 6.1, 9.1 and 31.1

The best reception that I get is still the 153 degrees, not the 190 that antennaweb indicates. The little street level map is cool though. If it were correct.

I just watch 9News for HD Kathy Sabine. :o :) :rolleyes:

KMGH-7 has the best newscasts at all hours of the day, I think. You can actually see thinking going on behind the eyes when they report a story. Of the morning people, by far the worst is KUSA's Kyle Dyer. Hello!! Is anybody home in there!!

Kathy Sabine is nice to look at in HD. Sadly, her forecasts are almost the most inaccurate in town. The most inaccurate honor goes to the fellow over at channel 2, Dave Fraser. He's a great barbecuer, but his "weather models" would be best displayed on the Sci Fi channel.

Three people I'd like to see present and report in HD are Angie Austin at KWGN and Brooke Wagner and Karlyn Tilley at KCNC. :D

JAnother HD channel with recent trouble is PBS-HD. The pixelization over the last week made some programs (the Art and Philosophy programs) simply unwatchable. And don't try calling anybody at Rocky Mountain PBS. Nobody's home after 6PM.And I find myself hardly caring anymore since they overlaid the best part ot the PBS-HD feed with "Create". Plus their schedule for swtiching feeds (nominally 6PM) is irregular at best.

Sorry, but when it comes to the weather, there are none better than Jackie Guerrido.

http://www.radiofreekrypton.com/images/JackieGuerrido005.jpg

:eek: I'm giving her 2 votes! :eek:

The amazing thing is this screenshot is from January, and when she first walked out in front of it, all of the temperatures were below zero! :rolleyes:

There go the polar ice caps, better call Al Gore!

I sure wish Univision was in HD (sigh).

WARNING! HERE (http://www.hotgooglevideos.com/videos.php?entry=42) is a video of her in action, ERR, UMMM, I mean doing a weather broadcast.

KMGH-7 has the best newscasts at all hours of the day, I think. You can actually see thinking going on behind the eyes when they report a story. Of the morning people, by far the worst is KUSA's Kyle Dyer. Hello!! Is anybody home in there!!

Kathy Sabine is nice to look at in HD. Sadly, her forecasts are almost the most inaccurate in town. The most inaccurate honor goes to the fellow over at channel 2, Dave Fraser. He's a great barbecuer, but his "weather models" would be best displayed on the Sci Fi channel.

Three people I'd like to see present and report in HD are Angie Austin at KWGN and Brooke Wagner and Karlyn Tilley at KCNC. :D


I couldn't agree with you more. Kathy Sabine is eye candy pure and simple...can't forecast worth a damn. She just recently wrapped up her Meteorology degree at Metro State. At the time she was made Chief Meteorologist (after Mike Nelson's mysterious departure), she wasn't even AMS certified. Makes you wonder how she got that job ;)

As for Kyle Dyer...who does her makeup? They should be fired!

I do have to say that KUSA does have some good anchors and reporters. Bazi Kanani is absolutely STUNNING in HD! And her reporting is good too! :D

I have always been a loyal KUSA viewer, but lately, the self-promotion has gotten way out of hand. I think I'll give KMGH-7 a try.

Waaah! I can't receive KMGH-7!

I might cut all my trees, and my neighborhood's trees, down for a better shot at RP.

Why can I get 31 at 90% signal, and not one whit of 7?

Why can I get 31 at 90% signal, and not one whiff of 7?Well... 31's signal is about 10x more powerful than 7, and second might be that just possibly, 7's antenna on RP is being blocked by one of the other stations antennas on that roof. There's not much else to explain it, as 4,6,7,9 are all at the same place.

And lastly, are you sure your receiver is working correctly? Many receivers have trouble with different stations PSIP (Like 20's issues on some receivers) Did you try both manually adding and/or auto scanning OTA or even trying a different receiver?

Why can I get 31 at 90% signal, and not one whit of 7?
Because 31 comes off Lookout Mountain - The Best Place For The Towers.

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I have always had a problem with local broadcasters thinking that they owned you. You live in the Denver DMA(or any other) and the local affiliate controls your ability to watch the same network from another DMA. Simply put, this is a crock. The current laws laws deny us(the supposedly free) the right to choose what we watch. Please note that the broadcasters are private entities(corporations) not government agencies. For instance: If I'm from Boston and move to Denver, why shouldn't I be able to watch local Boston stations to see what is happening back home? In fact, this whole issue goes to the control the broadcasting industry has on the consumer. Just Say **** ***!!!.
....jc

SaveMyChannels.com (http://www.SaveMyChannels.com)

Saw this bumper sticker in the Albertson's parking lot this evening:

"My kid is not an honor student by I do have 2 DirectTV DVR's"

How about this one...

http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/Lab.jpg

Bazi Konami is simply AWESOME, especially in HD. And Carrie McClure or something or other doesn't look too bad in HD either when she is in the newsroom. That blonde hair looks awesome on my HDTV. But when she is out on the town with one of those SD 16:9 cameras with a bunch of dead pixels that KUSA loves to use, I couldn't care less. And I think we all know how Sabine got her job :) Personally I can't stand her voice after a few minutes and she LOVES to talk and talk. Usually I would mute her segment. I like that Marty guy's forecasts better as he doesn't talk as much, but every time he opens his mouth I am blinded by his way-too-white teeth!

I am still getting used to the Channel 7 anchors but so far I don't really have any complaints. At least their sports guy doesn't have "Drew or False" and "Strange but Drew". How I hated those segments! That and the yellow tweed jacket Drew likes to wear. So much happier with KMGH.

Nice sticker Ernie, is there a "MinPins" version?

[QUOTE=TotallyPreWired]I have always had a problem with local broadcasters thinking that they owned you. You live in the Denver DMA(or any other) and the local affiliate controls your ability to watch the same network from another DMA. Simply put, this is a crock. The current laws laws deny us(the supposedly free) the right to choose what we watch. Please note that the broadcasters are private entities(corporations) not government agencies. For instance: If I'm from Boston and move to Denver, why shouldn't I be able to watch local Boston stations to see what is happening back home? In fact, this whole issue goes to the control the broadcasting industry has on the consumer. Just Say **** ***!!!.
....jc

Now you see why broadcasters were against the idea of SHVA in the first place.

The sat companies were given special rights to create a "stopgap" service, to allow people in white areas to receive network programming, until local stations were available in their area. Now, those same satellite companies are crying that people's rights are being trampled when the temporary special rights end.

The broadcasters don't "think they own you". They just have some asinine idea that they own the rights to the programming that they purchase. And, some stupid belief that the contracts they sign with other parties, like networks and sat providers, might be worth the paper they are written on. Of course, that's a really stupid idea.....isn't it? :mad:

Nice sticker Ernie, is there a "MinPins" version?OK Tim, here you go...

http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/pincher.jpg

Why isn't ABC showing the British Open in HD, when TNT is (first 2 hours)?

I guess that we just disagree. And, of course, your paycheck may be a deciding factor. :p

Now you see why broadcasters were against the idea of SHVA in the first place.

The sat companies were given special rights to create a "stopgap" service, to allow people in white areas to receive network programming, until local stations were available in their area. Now, those same satellite companies are crying that people's rights are being trampled when the temporary special rights end.
I guess that one would have to ask if there are no unserved areas in this country? And, what ever happened to 'Digital White Areas'? Were they ever created?

The broadcasters don't "think they own you". They just have some asinine idea that they own the rights to the programming that they purchase. And, some stupid belief that the contracts they sign with other parties, like networks and sat providers, might be worth the paper they are written on. Of course, that's a really stupid idea.....isn't it? :mad:
When they depend on the government to protect their territories, yes. The broadcasters are corporations, and the affiliates are corporations. What I have a problem with is the government helping them to monopolize their product.

I want to buy a product from corporation A, but I don't want to buy the product from their local distributor. In most cases I can find another distributor for corporation A's product or buy it directly from corporation A. Is the government involved in the process? No. Is the government involved in protecting the territories for the local distributor? No.

I have choices for most things, with broadcasting, I don't.

And, if you don't think that the laws were written for and by the broadcasters, consider this: I requested a digital waiver from KXRM, and they denied it. The GM flat out told me that he didn't want me watching another affiliate. This is despite the fact that his station was not providing me a signal! Then the GM blamed the satellite companies for not having HD LIL available! And, this is all because of where I lived. If I was a few miles North, I would technically be in the Denver DMA, and Fox is O & O there, so I would've had the HD that I was seeking(and, of course none of this BS would be necessary w/o sCARE's efforts).

The current laws allow us to be governed by an affiliate based on where we live, even if that affiliate is not providing us a useable signal. Sounds kinda like 'Taxation without Representation' doesn't it? :rolleyes:
....jc

Why isn't ABC showing the British Open in HD, when TNT is (first 2 hours)?
It's not HD! The BBC is only providing an SD feed. Both TNT & ABC are upconverting the feed. TNT is using 1080i & ABC 720p. Apparently, TNT had you fooled.
....jc

It's not HD! The BBC is only providing an SD feed. Both TNT & ABC are upconverting the feed. TNT is using 1080i & ABC 720p. Apparently, TNT had you fooled.
....jcWell, technically, it's not SD by the U.S. definition. It's PAL widescreen (576 lines), upconverted to 720p by ABC ... which I hope KMGH is providing.

I've been gone a week and when I got back still no sound on KTVD. Does anyone have any info on when they may be back online with sound? Thanks

I've been gone a week and when I got back still no sound on KTVD. Does anyone have any info on when they may be back online with sound? Thanks
They have sound, it's just that your receiver may not like it! :eek:

For grins I just tried KTVD. On my LG 3200A it programs to 20-1, but no audio or video. :( Now, here's where it gets weird. On my Mits, it comes in as 19-1, 19-3 & 20-1! Now, I didn't reprogram the Mits because I don't want to lose channels(long story). Also, on the Mits all three 'channels' have full audio & video. It's obvious that they still have 'issues'.
....jc

No picture or sound (but plenty of signal power) on 20 DT here either using the D* HD-20(?) MPEG4 receivers. I have only had a picture about two times in the last few months for a short period of time. Guess they don't want me to watch their channel.....

They have sound, it's just that your receiver may not like it! :eek:

For grins I just tried KTVD. On my LG 3200A it programs to 20-1, but no audio or video. :( Now, here's where it gets weird. On my Mits, it comes in as 19-1, 19-3 & 20-1! Now, I didn't reprogram the Mits because I don't want to lose channels(long story). Also, on the Mits all three 'channels' have full audio & video. It's obvious that they still have 'issues'.
....jc

Thanks for the info. My main tuner is a Samsung SIR-T451. It maps the channel to 20-1. It receives picture but no sound. :confused:
I also have a MDP-130 tuner card in a PC. It doesn't remap 19-1. It gets both
picture and sound. :eek: As you said they still have issues. :(

OK Tim, here you go...
Thanks Ernie! That is one mean looking MinPin!

I would try to add my $.02 to the reception discussion, but with only a RS DBT shooting through a brick wall AND my neighbors house, I don't think my signal numbers would help anyone.

20-1 is fine - solid picture and sound - on my HR10-250 (DirecTV HD Tivo). Guide data too!

I checked KTVD20 also and no problems now on my Dish 622.

KTVD-DT has no picture or audio despite plenty of signal on my gen 1 receiver.
It's a pixellated mess on my gen 2 receiver. Actually it's a pixellated mess in a blender so's I can't even tell what's on.
My gen 3 receiver has no picture or audio.

I can't image it's only mal-formed PSIP that's doing so much dis-service to so many different receivers. They must also have some serious encoding issues. I wouldn't care that much except someone noticed HD on KTVD-DT for the first time in their history.

BTW, My in-law called and said I was on TV yesterday on KCNC-DT. It looks as though they started airing another one of the interview interstitials that Rockford-Gray put together.

Did anybody else catch the rerun of the "Miami Vice" pilot on KUSA last night in HD? It actually looked very good, but is was weird seeing something that was burned into my mind back in the 80's so much more 'vivid' than I remember it. Wow do those pastels pop in HD! :cool:

By the way, KTVD audio and video still perfect on my E*921.

I have seen no problems with KUSA's HD broadcast of the women's vollyball finals this afternoon. :D

Ernie has no problem with KTVD with an E* 622 receiver, yet with my E*211 receiver, which I think is identical to the 622 minus the DVR, I get no picture or sound.

Ernie, what sofware version do you currently have for the 622? Perhaps I need to force a download/update.

My Dish 622 has SW Version L359. But its different that the 211. UHForever has a Dish 921 above and no problem, but Samsung's have problems. The KTVD issues are pretty random as far as OTA receivers.

Thanks for the reply, Ernie. I'll check to see if I have the same software update. I have a Dish 811 that decodes KTVD just fine. My 2 Accurians won't decode the signal either but my Insignia TV with built-in ATSC tuner will.

Anybody want to meet a Microsoft Exec? The VP in charge of Consumer Media Techonolgy (see bio (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/amirm/default.mspx)) is doing an informal tour of the country to meet AVS folk and give a presentation on HD-DVD and VC1 (aka WMV), Microsoft's video codec.

He's trying to gauge interest at different cities around the country. He's looking for a group of 5-20 people or so. Please respond here or PM me if interested in attending. This would most likely happen sometime in the fall (September or October).

Also, if anyone has any suggestions for a meeting place with a high quality video system and room for the group, let me know.

I'd be interested, especially if Zune is on the agenda.

Anybody want to meet a Microsoft Exec? The VP in charge of Consumer Media Techonolgy (see bio (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/amirm/default.mspx)) is doing an informal tour of the country to meet AVS folk and give a presentation on HD-DVD and VC1 (aka WMV), Microsoft's video codec.

He's trying to gauge interest at different cities around the country. He's looking for a group of 5-20 people or so. Please respond here or PM me if interested in attending. This would most likely happen sometime in the fall (September or October).

Also, if anyone has any suggestions for a meeting place with a high quality video system and room for the group, let me know.

I have nothing good to say about or to Microsoft.

They exhibit the engineering quality of the Yugo with the ethics of Enron.

My only comment would be, "you need to dump HD-DVD, and support BluRay. And fire your unskilled OS developers. Fire Ballmer, too"

I have nothing good to say about or to Microsoft.

They exhibit the engineering quality of the Yugo with the ethics of Enron.

My only comment would be, "you need to dump HD-DVD, and support BluRay. And fire your unskilled OS developers. Fire Ballmer, too"

WOW. Don't hold back, tell us how ya really feel!

I don't know that I disagree with your statements but I would love to see a totally biases comparison of VC-1 vs. other codecs. Count me in as long as it isn't during CEDIA.

-Matt

Anybody want to meet a Microsoft Exec? The VP in charge of Consumer Media Techonolgy (see bio (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/amirm/default.mspx)) is doing an informal tour of the country to meet AVS folk and give a presentation on HD-DVD and VC1 (aka WMV), Microsoft's video codec.

He's trying to gauge interest at different cities around the country. He's looking for a group of 5-20 people or so. Please respond here or PM me if interested in attending. This would most likely happen sometime in the fall (September or October).

Also, if anyone has any suggestions for a meeting place with a high quality video system and room for the group, let me know.
I'm up for it.

And fire your unskilled OS developers.
What? Hire 'expensive' Americans? Naw. Money is that name of the game, not something as petty as quality. :eek:
....jc

I have nothing good to say about or to Microsoft.

They exhibit the engineering quality of the Yugo with the ethics of Enron.

My only comment would be, "you need to dump HD-DVD, and support BluRay. And fire your unskilled OS developers. Fire Ballmer, too"

So can I take that as a 'no'? :p

And to bring this slightly back OT... When I recently switched from MPEG2 to MPEG4 on E* to get the LIL channels (see, back OT) I have a huge issue with all those big computer companies, (Except Apple, where you can actually still talk to an American and/or go to an Apple store and they will fix your computer for Free while you wait or if you leave it - Thanks customer service!)

[RANT ON]

I am fed-up with companies like MS, HP and E* where they have now outsourced their CSR's to India. This is unacceptable. I wasted hours on the phone with E* a few weeks ago, trying to switch my Sat receivers and programming. They have no clue.

And my wife (who has to have a PC for work) spent about 3 hours on the phone with HP customer support who ended up putting her on hold and then hung-up and left her with her PC all jacked-up. One guy who answered the call as "Hello, this is Bobby..." No, your name is not Bobby - dude. This needs to end.

[/RANT OFF]

Ernie,

I recently talked to two guys named Bobby at HP support in southern India. It took about two hours on the phone to get a media card replaced on my PC under warranty!!

Another bad one is Linksys. After about three hours with tech support in India getting cut off and wanting me to go through the diagnostic tests for a third time they refused to replace my router that has a bad port. I will never buy another one of their products again!!

I agree with you about Apple. My daughter just bought a new Mac Book. That is a sweet machine and sales and support are great!!

Back on topic, What is the deal with KCEC-DT 51? for weeks now they are broadcasting analog snow on their digital channel. Not that I would ever watch it but how can they get away with rebrocasting their analog channel via a OTA hookup that shows ghosting even when it does work, about 20 percent of the time?

Did I do good? :D

More OT:

For those that have the new D* MPEG-4 equipment, the Rockies v St. Louis is on FSN-RM HD tonight and tomorrow. Could you please report on which channel you are seeing the game and how it looks and sounds? I think it is supposed to be on a channel in the 90's.
Thanks in advance!

More OT:

For those that have the new D* MPEG-4 equipment, the Rockies v St. Louis is on FSN-RM HD tonight and tomorrow. Could you please report on which channel you are seeing the game and how it looks and sounds? I think it is supposed to be on a channel in the 90's.
Thanks in advance!
It is scheduled on channel 96 on my receiver. That channel is listed as FSRM when you highlight the channel number, although it does not show up as that normally. AFAIK, all FSRM (and I hope eventually Altitude) games in HD will show up on that channel. 96 is fed from one of the D* spot beams.

Back on topic, What is the deal with KCEC-DT 51? for weeks now they are broadcasting analog snow on their digital channel. Not that I would ever watch it but how can they get away with rebrocasting their analog channel via a OTA hookup that shows ghosting even when it does work, about 20 percent of the time?For the last couple of months until today, I was just getting occasional pixels plus audio white noise on KCEC-DT.

They must have fixed something, because now I get a picture and sound. It really must take some work on their part to put out a signal this crummy though. Maybe they just setup a minicam in front of an analog TV and feed that to the encoder; I mean how DO you get ghosts and rolling bars on a digital signal?

Another bad one is Linksys. After about three hours with tech support in India getting cut off and wanting me to go through the diagnostic tests for a third time they refused to replace my router that has a bad port. I will never buy another one of their products again!!
Try 3Com. You'll still be dealing with India :mad: but at least they don't make you jump thru hoops. A few weeks ago I had a Cable Router go out(probably a surge that was lightning induced). It was still under warranty, and the next day I had a new one in my hands(overnighted). Cost to me: $0. Despite the language problems, the company is 1st class.

Rants? You want Rants? Try being an un or under employed software engineer when this country is letting at least 65k of them(mostly Indians) into this country every %^%$# year! And then, Bush is out making speeches that we need to increase the quota(65k) because we don't have the talent in this country to fill High Tech jobs! If he wants talent, I suggest that he goes down to Canon City and bend over. He'll find plenty of 'talent'.
....jc

It is scheduled on channel 96 on my receiver. That channel is listed as FSRM when you highlight the channel number, although it does not show up as that normally. AFAIK, all FSRM (and I hope eventually Altitude) games in HD will show up on that channel. 96 is fed from one of the D* spot beams.

Thanks JM. Let us know what you think of the broadcast quality.

Anybody want to meet a Microsoft Exec?

I would be interested in this presentation. I'm set on getting the PS3 with Blu-Ray when it comes out, but it would be good to see a demo of HD-DVD. Don't really know of any place with the proper equipment though.

Thanks JM. Let us know what you think of the broadcast quality.
I'm not the best one to assess video quality (audio is more my thing). The telecast was actually the one from Fox Sports Midwest (St. Louis). I was surprised in that I was expecting it to originate from FSRM. At any rate, I couldn't watch a 9 inning baseball game if my life depended on it, but I did manage to watch bits and pieces throughout the game. I did have some interest in that I grew up a Cardinal fan, so I watched to see what they were up to as much as to see the Rockies.

The video seemed excellent from what I could tell. Perhaps not quite as sharp as I remember from the early days of HD, but darn close. During the times I was watching I did not see any artifacts or any other issues with the picture. I would say it was easily close to OTA HD pictures I had seen. Overall I would definitely give it two thumbs up. I must admit, I forgot to check the audio format available as I was using a setting on my HT which was fed from the TV (analog stereo), so I don't know if it was in 5.1 or not. Did anyone else see the game?

Just to stray back to the topic for a short time, again tonight I have no video or sound on KTVD 20. Is it safe to assume KUSA is aware of this problem???? Does anyone know if they are working on it, or do they think everything is just fine like KUSA DT...... ????????
:rolleyes:

Ernie, you were correct regarding the E* software. My version for the 211 is L268.

I also still have no video or audio on KTVD on some of my receivers. Perhaps we could all email Don Perez at KUSA to let him know that many of us can't view the station. Since he answered my last email, I'll give it another try in the AM.

Rants? You want Rants? Try being an un or under employed software engineer when this country is letting at least 65k of them(mostly Indians) into this country every %^%$# year! And then, Bush is out making speeches that we need to increase the quota(65k) because we don't have the talent in this country to fill High Tech jobs! If he wants talent, I suggest that he goes down to Canon City and bend over. He'll find plenty of 'talent'.
....jc

LMAO! :p

I'm an Oracle Developer and couldn't agree with you more! On the bright side, the wages of these Indian workers is steadily rising, so before long, they will not be so "value added". I get so sick and tired of hearing about how they can do everything we can and get paid 25% of what we get paid. I'm sure $25k goes pretty damn far in Bangalore India. They probably live like kings and queens on that salary because everything is so much cheaper. Put everything on a level playing field and then let's see!!! :mad:

HD Radio article in today's Post - http://www.denverpost.com/entertainment/ci_4089813

Industry behemoth Clear Channel plans to roll out HD capability - and a massive marketing campaign - at all its local stations on Monday

Is SCARE up on Lookout screaming bloody murder??

So I haven't read much on HD radio does anyone have a link to where a good set of info on this technology?

So I haven't read much on HD radio does anyone have a link to where a good set of info on this technology?


http://www.hdradio.com/

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/learningcenter/car/hdradio.html

Here

Reggie

Wow, not much interest in a meet, eh? I would have thought that with our HD difficulties here in Denver, we would have had a little more interest in talking with someone who has big influence in the HD world.

Here is a recap of the L.A. meeting that happened last week:


For those who are interested, the meeting started out with Amir explaining a bit about his job at Microsoft and the career path that lead him up to that point, followed by Q&A's regarding the HD DVD format. We then took a break to eat some snacks at the end of which, Kevin took center stage and started talking about the iHD features and the things you are able to accomplish with it. He showed us some real examples that were very cool and interesting that we will be seeing in the near future. We then had a bit of Q&A with Kevin followed by a special surprise, which was a demonstration of a great looking title that I can't wait to get on HD DVD once it's released.

This was a fun and casual event that brought together people who enjoy the same interests, we got to see cool things, asks questions, get excited about some new things coming down the pipe and meet people who work in the industry who have influence on what technology we see and will be seeing in our household.

You can read more about the "tour" in this thread. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=700407)

P.S. There would be food, just in case that would convince anyone. :)

If Amir will be there, I'll bring friends. I respect him for his industry background, knowledge, and straight forward style since he has been participating on these forums. I would really like to get his take on the new HD formats in person.

Count me in, twice.

And to bring this slightly back OT... When I recently switched from MPEG2 to MPEG4 on E* to get the LIL channels (see, back OT) I have a huge issue with all those big computer companies, (Except Apple, where you can actually still talk to an American and/or go to an Apple store and they will fix your computer for Free while you wait or if you leave it - Thanks customer service!)

[RANT ON]

I am fed-up with companies like MS, HP and E* where they have now outsourced their CSR's to India. This is unacceptable. I wasted hours on the phone with E* a few weeks ago, trying to switch my Sat receivers and programming. They have no clue.

And my wife (who has to have a PC for work) spent about 3 hours on the phone with HP customer support who ended up putting her on hold and then hung-up and left her with her PC all jacked-up. One guy who answered the call as "Hello, this is Bobby..." No, your name is not Bobby - dude. This needs to end.

[/RANT OFF]

Ernie - I certainly feel your pain. My wife works for HP and she has to use their customer support too -and yes she does get India and yes she complains about it.

You are lucky to be near a Apple store as many communities do not have one. Myself I do not like Jobs (personal issues going back to the HP/Apple days with printers - might tell you that story some day over beers :) )

Lets hope that wages in India go up to the level that it is no longer profitable to have CS located there. I know from reality friends here in Fort Collins that CS places are being put in this area at a rapic rate, so maybe the tread is changing.

Reggie

Lets hope that wages in India go up to the level that it is no longer profitable to have CS located there. I know from reality friends here in Fort Collins that CS places are being put in this area at a rapic rate, so maybe the tread is changing.
Yeah, but what is the likelyhood of it coming back to the US vs going somewhere else where wages are low and English is not so good? I see it now

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Yeah, but what is the likelyhood of it coming back to the US vs going somewhere else where wages are low and English is not so good? I see it nowEvery customer service experience gives me a data point in evaluating whether I want to do business with that company in the future. If a company is going to skimp on CS, they better hope the product is so damned reliable that I never need any CS - or they better make so much money on the first sale that they never need another one.

I don't really care where customer service is located so long as (a) they know the product well enough to do effective PD without wasting my tim and (b) we can communicate effectively. What I really hate are CS organizations where the INTENT is to just waste my time until I give up.

We're in a global economy now where I/T folks have to compete for work. Even if we could put up barriers that would only make us poorer. And if I happen to lose my job, what's the consolation if it went to someone in Utah vs. someone in Bangalore?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=154

Yeah, but what is the likelyhood of it coming back to the US vs going somewhere else where wages are low and English is not so good? I see it now
I think that you hit it on the head! :p Vietnam(say what?) is now looking to become a hotspot. As mentioned, India is starting to get 'pricey'.

One way to fight this crapola is to stop buying their products. For instance, I won't buy another Dell. Their support is worthless. Their corporate customers got pissed, and Dell had to open a facility here(USA) for those customers.

Outsourcing: One day there are thousands of engineers, QA, support, purchasing and other business folks, assemblers and shippers putting out products. The next day there's the required meeting in the cafeteria. :( You get a bunch of thanks, a fricken pin & mug, and are congratulated for the successful ramp up, and a brief explanation of your termination benefits. :mad: And, then a few months later you walk through the same facility, and there's nothing left. No clean rooms, no labs, no pc's, no parts, just lots of space and empty cubicles. Everything's been shipped overseas.

Work Visas: Corporate America's answer to 'expensive' American labor. I first became aware of the problem in 1993. We were working on the top floor of Digital Equipment's Charlotte facility on a large billing system for D*. All of that space was available because Digital had laid everyone off during their meltdown. Well, as the project progressed, more developers were needed. To the new owner of the company in charge, Americans were too expensive. So, in came the H1-B's. Some of them lived in the same apartment complex as I did. 4 or 5 of them in a 1 bedroom apartment! And in the morning, I'm sure that there wasn't a line waiting to use the bathroom(if you get my drift). On my last project they brought in 2 contractors. Me, and U guessed it, an H1-B. Arrogant, you wouldn't believe! America needed them because we were inferior. Pimps love these guys because they'll work for less. If they pay them $10 an hour less, that's $20k a year more for them.

And, these work visas(H1-B & L1) relate directly to outsourcing. If they don't have 'their' people here, coordinating with the mother ship, outsourcing would be difficult or impossible.

When you hear the BS about 'labor shortages' or 'lack of talent', it's corporate America(and unfortunately our government) priming the pump for more cheap labor and the evisceration of the middle class.
....jc

We're in a global economy now where I/T folks have to compete for work. Even if we could put up barriers that would only make us poorer. And if I happen to lose my job, what's the consolation if it went to someone in Utah vs. someone in Bangalore?
To you, not much. :( To America it's huge! It's another American making money, paying taxes, and spending that money in their community.

Outsourcing is getting worse, and will not be stopped. But having our government supporting it(it's good for us), and allowing foreign workers to come into this country to take our jobs, is a disgrace. And, where will the jobs be for our children?
....jc

Does anyone know how the PQ for the Denver locals via Dish Network compares to that of OTA or cable? E* is my only option up here in Summit County, but I'm curious to see if it's worth it?

Thanks
-Tim

To you, not much. :( To America it's huge! It's another American making money, paying taxes, and spending that money in their community.
Well, any money we spend overseas - no matter whether it goes to a cabbie in Cancun or a programmer in Bangalore or a seamstress in Thailand - ultimately has to come back to the United States to buy SOMETHING; otherwise the foreigners have given us their goods and services for free. When the money comes back it does end up helping another American make money, pay taxes, and support their community. - just the same as if it had gone there directly.

As for our kids, we have to focus on education to make them competitive in this world; and to be honest, the state of education scares me a lot more than outsourcing.

And people used to complain that talking about Comcast HD or Satellite HD was off topic.

Hi guys!

I have a slightly off-topic question regarding the new DirecTv HD receivers from and locals in Denver. I currently have the Hughes HD receiver and am able to get all of the stations that broadcast digital OTA. DirecTv has been calling and mailing me telling me to switch over to the new dish/receiver so I don't lose any HD programming (yeah, I know, HDLite) when they switch over soon. My question is, with the new dish/receiver will I still be able to get my locals OTA? Or am I limited to getting them off of the satellite?

Thanks!

The white dashes along with part of the data at the bottom of the screen chopped off are back on KUSA.

Hi guys!

I have a slightly off-topic question regarding the new DirecTv HD receivers from and locals in Denver. I currently have the Hughes HD receiver and am able to get all of the stations that broadcast digital OTA. DirecTv has been calling and mailing me telling me to switch over to the new dish/receiver so I don't lose any HD programming (yeah, I know, HDLite) when they switch over soon. My question is, with the new dish/receiver will I still be able to get my locals OTA? Or am I limited to getting them off of the satellite?

Thanks!

Yes, you can still get your locals OTA. The H20 MPEG4 receiver, and the HR20 DVR (coming out in the fall), both have off-air tuners.

Here's a link to the manual if you're interested. http://www.directv.com/learn/pdf/System_Manuals/DIRECTV/DIRECTV_H20_UG.pdf

thanks, kcosby!

And people used to complain that talking about Comcast HD or Satellite HD was off topic. :rolleyes:

In a convoluted way, it's exactly on topic! :p
No Job = No Money...
No Money = No HD Display, Antenna System or STB...
No HD Display, Antenna System or STB = Must be a sCARE Supporter...
sCARE Supporter = Something Worse Than Outsourcing & Work Visas Combined...

Who's Off-Topic? :confused:
....jc

Perhaps this should start airing again....sorry for the length of the link.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_fri0tcZEOigB5QACP88F;_ylu=X3oDMTBjcXBoZjEwBHBvcwMzB HNlYwNzcg--/SIG=19f0015gg/EXP=1153959732/**http%3a//video.yahoo.com/video/play%3fei=UTF-8%26p=1970s%2bcommercials%26cs=bz%26b=2%26oid=16f1fafcfc92de aa%26rurl=www.tvparty.com%26vdone=http%253A%252F%252Fvideo.y ahoo.com%252Fvideo%252Fsearch%253Fei%253DUTF-8%2526p%253D1970s%252Bcommercials%2526b%253D1%2526cs%253Dbz% 26vback=Results

If anyone is interested, the HD game on D* tonight is the FSRM version.

FWIW, on the other question I went from an older Zenith HD receiver to the H20 and saw no change in my OTA singnal strengths. It should not be a problem for you.

My first post in a while. Seems that now that I'm in semi-forced (Rocky Flats is no more), semi-retirement, I no longer have time to surf the net. Too many honey-dos!

Anyway, last night I checked out KTVD-DT (20.1) on both my E* 811 and LG LST-4200A receivers. The 811 had fine picture and sound, none of it in HD. The LG had a frozen pixel blast and no sound. Well, they must have worked on it today, because now I have the same crap on my 811 as on my LG. One step forward (on 20-1 instead of 19-1 and 19-3), two steps back (no watchable picture on either receiver). Ah, progress.

Is anyone watching KRMA-DT before 6 PM or after midnight anymore, now that they are using that awful stretched video? I looks as bad as the stretched garbage we used to see from Fox 31 a couple of years ago. They are rapidly nearing removal from my Favorites list.

I know that most on this forum hate the 9NEWS WeatherPlus channel (9-2), but for those who have watched it, do you notice the loud booming on the audio. Sounds like someone banging against the microphone during the broadcast or else the weather-person's mouth is getting too close to the microphone. I get this on both of my receivers, so it isn't a receiver problem. It's been going on for months now, so maybe KUSA just doesn't monitor what they broadcast.

As to the Kathy Sabine discussion earlier, she got her current job because KUSA didn't want to lose her to NBC's weekend Today show. She was in big demand there, read big bucks compared to our cow town. Since she has a very high audience like-ability rating in the Denver market, KUSA was willing to shuffle the deck to keep her happy and keep her here. I'm glad. She and Libby Weaver are two of the classiest ladies on local TV. I guess at my age it takes more than big, bouncing, boobs to hold my interest.

Well, any money we spend overseas - no matter whether it goes to a cabbie in Cancun or a programmer in Bangalore or a seamstress in Thailand - ultimately has to come back to the United States to buy SOMETHING ...

Well no, it doesn't. That's why the U.S. has such a payments imbalance. The money is going out, but only a little is coming back in. If it wasn't for the Asian economies, mainly China, propping up the U.S. dollar and buying our securities, this country would be in a major financial crisis.

In the early 90's they told us, don't worry about all those manufacturing jobs going elsewhere, because we were becoming a service economy and a high-tech economy. Well the high-tech went bust and went off-shore. The services, for the most part, are not exportable. So, we just sell services to each other. Sounds like a co-op, except, now most of the service labor comes from south of the border working for a fraction of what was paid for the same job ten years ago. The large and prosperous middle-class that my father's generation built in this country in the 50's and 60's is disappearing.

If it wasn't for the Asian economies, mainly China, propping up the U.S. dollar and buying our securities, this country would be in a major financial crisis.
Suppose that China, spread over, let's say, the next 6 months, sold all their US bonds: what specifically would be the economic result? And why?

[QUOTE=whtevr77]Perhaps this should start airing again....sorry for the length of the link.

Many years ago, the local Cable company (was it TCI back then?) was busting cable thieves. We made a spot that showed several of our promotions and art department people wearing prison uniforms, with a shadow of "prison bars" on the wall behind them. The premise was, "Steal us all you want...We're FREE!!!".

I also have a tape (of a 16mm film....that's how old it is) of a National Translator Association presentation that was shown to Congress, talking about the threat of "Pay Cable TV". It was asking for rule changes to allow translator stations to go to higher power.

Of course, now, most people wouldn't even THINK of getting TV for free. It's too darn easy to just pay for it monthly.

Of course, now, most people wouldn't even THINK of getting TV for free. It's too darn easy to just pay for it monthly.I may be the exception, but since I can get perfect reception with OTA digital I can't see enough additional value from the cable-only channels to justify $50 to $75 per month. When I showed my sister in Atlanta what she could get with OTA digital she was amazed - and has since then dumped her cable also. As more people buy new TVs with ATSC tuners built-in I suspect this will become more common, though still not a majority.

I don't know if the stations would use that "steal us all you want" promo nowadays - might be a mixed message with their demand from "broadcast flags" and the like.

Off topic. Kind of an interesting article talking about the demise of USDTV and broadcasters using their extra capacity for programming like The Tube.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6355397.html

I'm now receiving sound and picture on KTVD on my Samsung SIR-T451. :)
I couldn't before. The channel is not remapping to 20.1 but staying on 19.1. Previously the channel was remapping to 20.1.

Last night on my MyHD130 PC card (fed from a DB4 antenna in the attic) I picked up Veronica Mars in HD from KTVD but my reception was so week the picture was pixelated and the sound was out of synch making it unwatchable. I didn't try the Samsung SIR-T451 (fed from an outdoor mounted DB2 antenna) last night but will try Sunday.

Thanks.

I'm now receiving sound and picture on KTVD on my Samsung SIR-T451. Same here, with my LG 4200A, and it has gone back to remapping as 19-3. All is not well however, as there seem to be frequent "stutters" in the picture.

Same here, with my LG 4200A, and it has gone back to remapping as 19-3. All is not well however, as there seem to be frequent "stutters" in the picture.
Yup, my LG 3200A is back to 19-3 with full sound and audio. I do have some 'break-ups' but they are no doubt due to signal strength & distance.
....jc

Suppose that China, spread over, let's say, the next 6 months, sold all their US bonds: what specifically would be the economic result? And why?

That requires the assumption that they could find a buyer, which is highly unlikely due to the magnitude of their holdings and the skepticism of other major investors. What China could do is refuse to buy any more U.S. securities for an indefinite period. That would force an increase in the yield to attract other investors, assuming the yield could rise sufficiently to attract other investors.

Either way, the U.S. government now has a higher cost for financing its budget. Thus, the deficit goes up and they have to sell more bonds again or raise taxes. The alternative would be to cut government spending, which isn't likely. Even if the will to cut spending could be found, where do they cut? Funding for defense (less body armor, fewer tanks and armored vehicles, fewer "smart" bombs)? Funding for maintaining infrastructure (cuts to mass transit, less maintenance of the interstate highway system)? Cuts to social programs (money back to the people)?

Obviously the U.S. is currently lucky that the Asians are willing to finance its on-going operation, else "we the people" would take it in the butt.

Well I've got good sound and picture (4 X 3) on my Dish 811 for KTVD as channel 20-1 and good sound and picture (4 X 3) on my LG LST 4200A for KTVD as channel 19-3. That's kinda where I was with this broadcast several months ago. So where is the progress?

Whoa ho, HD on KTVD on both of my receivers. The LG still sees it as 19-3, but otherwise, everything is A-OK. Good job KUSA engineers!

I'm watching a KTVD HD broadcast. The signal on my Samsung SIR-T451 is maxed out but occasionally the broadcast pixellates and switches from widescreen to 4x3.
At the moment the picture looks great. Sound is only 2ch.

maybe there is a god afterall :) So I was rearranging my stereo system today - Here's a link to the before picture: http://forums.audiworld.com/rockymtn/msgs/69034.phtml

And as I was playing around with the cables - I suddenly was getting Channel 9 HD???? In the middle of the day - I have a attic antenna that has never pulled in anything except Cheyenne 5.1 and Fox 31.1 and WB 2.1 and the digitals signals of 12. Woah!- so I went and bought a RG-6 connector crimping tool. to redo all my connections. It seems at night I get a very strong signal from 9 and 7 HD now. Unbelieveable. So during the day it appear that the signal will drift in and out but at night it is very strong.

The link to the present setup is here: http://forums.audiworld.com/rockymtn/msgs/69069.phtml

And if you read the posts - the sound is also much better. SACDs sound fantastic. I also have much better color on the TV - even from DVDs - Somehow my connections were all messed up I guess.

Hmmmm - I guess now I can get the TiVoHD and not sweat waiting for the D* HD DVR. Anyone know what the costs is for them - I thought they were running some free ones - but did you have to sign up for the NFL package?

Reggie

I think KUSA/KTVD are back to about where they were before the purchase closed a couple of weeks ago.

On the 10:00 news tonight, KUSA had the white dashes at the top left of the screen back, depending on what camera was being used or file footage being shown. I also think the picture is back to the shifted down mode although I couldn't tell for sure.

KTVD's PSIP info apparently has been rolled back to where my E* 211 can't even decode what channel to remap it to. Before their purchase by KUSA/Gannett, that was my situation with the station. A couple of days after the purchase, my receiver could decode KTVD but it incorrectly mapped to channel 19-1. Then, a few days later, the remapping was fixed to 20-1. Not willing to leave well enough alone, I, along with others on this thread, saw video, audio, or both misteriously disappear. Now I can't decode the signal at all anymore and others are seeing it remap to several different channels. This isn't golf and there shouldn't be any mulligans.

Tonight, after the news, KUSA ran 12 minutes of commercials. The last 7 minutes ate into all but the last two minutes of Leno's dialogue. In the middle of what I recollect was a Shortline Subaru commercial, they cut into Leno, in SD of course!

Is this stuff - programming the PSIP info, preempting network programming with local commericials, and not "flipping" the HD switch so terribly difficult??? I've called them 3 times in the past week to flip the HD switch, including once for their "only HD newscast in Colorado" being transmitted in SD!!! I'm beginning to think that the HD Leader is in about the same place the network it broadcasts ranks in viewership - dead last.

That requires the assumption that they could find a buyer, which is highly unlikely due to the magnitude of their holdings and the skepticism of other major investors. What China could do is refuse to buy any more U.S. securities for an indefinite period. That would force an increase in the yield to attract other investors, assuming the yield could rise sufficiently to attract other investors.

Either way, the U.S. government now has a higher cost for financing its budget. Thus, the deficit goes up and they have to sell more bonds again or raise taxes. The alternative would be to cut government spending, which isn't likely. Even if the will to cut spending could be found, where do they cut? Funding for defense (less body armor, fewer tanks and armored vehicles, fewer "smart" bombs)? Funding for maintaining infrastructure (cuts to mass transit, less maintenance of the interstate highway system)? Cuts to social programs (money back to the people)?

Obviously the U.S. is currently lucky that the Asians are willing to finance its on-going operation, else "we the people" would take it in the butt.

Good answer. I think it's surprising how few people understand what you've just stated. There is, however one thing I disagree with:

That requires the assumption that they could find a buyer, which is highly unlikely due to the magnitude of their holdings and the skepticism of other major investors.

First, I believe US bonds are considered to be the just about the safest way to invest your money, which is good for us because that also keeps interest rates on our debt low. Next, if China was hell-bent on unloading the US bonds they own, they would simply lower the asking price until the bonds sell. The buyers of these cheap bonds are now getting more yield per $1000. Thus, the interest our government pays for its debt goes up for new bond issues.

Also, there would be a higher supply of US bonds with demand remaining the same. Consequently, again, our government would have to offer new issues at higher interest rates to convince more people to buy them all up - costing us more tax dollars to pay the interest, as you were saying. Lastly, since US bonds are part of the whole market of bonds, the price of all bonds would be driven up. IOW, interest rates for all debt would be driven up, even if the fed does nothing...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this would create a much higher floor, below which the fed could not cause our interest rates to go.

Now tell me where I went astray ;)
-Tim

And, where will the jobs be for our children?

Wal-mart...

Hmmmm - I guess now I can get the TiVoHD and not sweat waiting for the D* HD DVR. Anyone know what the costs is for them - I thought they were running some free ones - but did you have to sign up for the NFL package?


Any truth to this as far as a free box if you sign-up for NFL package??

Thanks,
Mike

Well a link to another board would one to believe that yes it is true.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=68063

The large and prosperous middle-class that my father's generation built in this country in the 50's and 60's is disappearing.

Bob mounts his soapbox. :p

Amen. The banana boat republic of the United States brought to you by Banana Boat Republicans.

This is the same garbage that happens in the third world. In economics, it's called "Development-Dependency" theory.

It works like this. I am Brazil. I own a primary resource called lumber in the form of forests of old growth trees. There is a broom maker in the United States who needs lumber. I sell him my lumber for $100 a cord. He applies labor and makes a broom. He sells each broom for, say, the equivalent of $1000 per cord. Suddenly here in Brazil, I need brooms. Lots of them. So I buy the equivalent of $1000 per cord from him. What happened to Brazil in that trade cycle? It lost $900 in capital, didn't it?

This is how the western world got rich and the "developing" countries got and stayed poor since their discovery by the west.

Now let's substitute the United States for Brazil as the seller of primary resources in this scenario, and China for the United States as the buyer of the primary resource and the seller of the finished product. Let's substitute lumber as the primary resource for an abstract called "research and development". Let's substitute brooms for electronics as the finished product, like HDTVs and computers.

If this happens enough in a trade cycle, with my country losing capital in each go-around, what happens to my macro-economy over time? It collapses, doesn't it?

We have a current ANNUAL trade deficit approaching $1 Trillion, folks.

When more capital goes out than comes in, and we apply the money multiplier to it (it works in reverse, too-- the quick-and-dirty is to take the marginal propensity to save, invert it, and multiply by the dollar amount of the trade deficit), every dollar of capital we lose can actually mean many more multiples lost from our economy. And at this rate, because we have no defense for it, this capital appears to be lost FOREVER.

That's right, friends! We grow POORER, with no end in sight.

There is no way short of imposing tariffs, trade quotas, or LOWERING WAGES to stop it. Frankly, I question whether lowering wages will make much of a difference.

After all, how does the US compete with China when it uses near slave labor? How did Europe compete with US textile manufacturers during its slavery period? They did so with machinery and mercantilism (trade protection). Otherwise, their textile industry would have collapsed.

Look into the AIMCO binder clip incident as an example. Yes, they were ultimately prosecuted. But I know for a fact that those who work for wages in China don't do much better than the women in the prison camp who made the binder clips. In one case, I personally know an American sales rep for a Chinese electronics company who is compensated the equivalent in commissions of what 100 people make working for salaries in their factory in Guangshou. And the conditions in the factory are a bit on the rugged side, if you know what I mean.

http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/hot-new/pressrel/2001/0228-01.htm

In our economy save for the very few production jobs that are left, there are only a few types of jobs left. There are those who import, those who sell the imports, and those who support those who import and sell the imports (everybody from police and fire to delivery services like USPS and UPS/Fed Express to the woman who does your dry cleaning and the guy taking your order at McDonalds).

And for all who scream bloody murder about illegal aliens taking jobs in America, it is a drop in the bucket compared to the number taken through the trade deficit. It's as though several billion workers from other countries cross our borders (our ports) every day, with their arms loaded with computers, IPODS, binder clips, staplers, HDTVs, etc. for sale.

And just wait to see what happens when the new Chinese car debuts sometime next year. Watch what happens to GM, which is at a tipping point anyway. The only way GM is surviving now is because of its auto manufacturing holdings in Japan. But how many Suzuki Grand Vitaras can GM sell, compared to a Chinese car that costs pennies on the dollar to make, to save it's mismanaged ass?

But nobody seems to give a rip. Good! I'm with Neitszche on this one. Pain is the best teacher. It's just not painful enough in America yet, I guess. I'm wondering, though, if our economy will be in an irreversible plunge when it is finally painful enough? Maybe it already is. When will we finally bottom out on our addiction to cheap imports? I'm thinking never.

I think I'd actually fall over dead from a stroke if the Republicans fought to create even one real job, with a net income increase and full benefits. I really would.

Bob steps off his soapbox and recedes back into the shadows. :D

Jeesh. Bob and CEB, is there any more bandwidth you'd like to waste on this OT in this thread?

Jeesh. Bob and CEB, is there any more bandwidth you'd like to waste on this OT in this thread?

I think if they were still making Get Smart, this would be a line from Maxwell Smart...
It's the old wasting bandwidth argument!"

It's a real chestnut. Use it whenever somebody argues something you don't like.

Funny.

It's completely on topic and on target. It's the context for all you talk about here, from the political discussions about the ostriches in Golden to the equipment used to deliver digital OTA TV content to your home, and your ability to ultimately afford it in about 10 - 20 years.

You can't argue specifics without the context. When you do, you lose the "big picture" that helps explain your "small picture" concern.

And if there is some bandwidth monitor out there for AVS forum, I'd like to meet this person and find out if there is any relation to Adrian Monk.

Let's see if I can segue back into on-topic...

I'm an immigrant - for a few years, even had one of those H1B visas that everyone loves talking about.

Got me a nice shiny imported HDTV.

Now I like to watch free OTA HDTV at night when I come home from work.

Mmmm....free OTA HDTV....

<shameless deflection>Wow those sCARE people sure are nuts, huh?</shameless deflection>

Last week, I watched the Thurs-Fri British Open on TNT in what was labeled HD, and I thought it was, too. Then on Sat-Sun, ABC showed it in SD. In a post, I asked why, and Totally Prewired replied that it was upconverted on TNT.
Today, the Senior British Open is again on TNT HD (I'm on D*) and again the picture looks very good, although maybe not quite as vivid as some other things I've seen in HD. The Sat-Sun ABC broadcast will be edited and delayed, in SD.
Somebody tell me how to tell if today's (and tomorrow's) supposed HD broadcast is native or upconverted.
Watson is +3. Not what I was looking for.

Scott,

Last weeks Open was in 16 X 9 SD upconverted to 720p all four days. It was not true HD, but better than 4 X 3 SD, I guess. I thought the Senior Open was going to be the same.

So Now that I got my HD from 7.1 and 9.1 - I find that my signal levels have gone back to below minimum levels. What would cause this? Last night and this morning they were great. I have also lost 6.1 too.

I have a attic antenna with a Winguard booster - but if the booster was effected by the temperature - wouldn't I also loose 2.1 and 31.1 and 5.1?

Are these signals from the Republic tower changing over the daytime?

Reggie

I think I'd actually fall over dead from a stroke if the Republicans fought to create even one real job, with a net income increase and full benefits. I really would.
So sad, but so very true(And I'm not a liberal). We've been betrayed.

Wasted Bandwidth? How do waste something that has so little value(All of the hardware is made overseas)?

What Bob & Ceb are saying is true. And, if the zest for low wage labor has yet to have an affect on your life, consider yourself lucky. But be very vigilant and wary, your job could be next.
....jc

Well a link to another board would one to believe that yes it is true.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=68063
and I just found this link too.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=59125

I think I will try and get it - if I can figure out why my reception is now different for the HD signals.

I was wating for the D* HD DVR but if I can get locals OTA - I would like to get the TiVo if it is free.

Reggie

I have a attic antenna with a Winguard booster - but if the booster was effected by the temperature - wouldn't I also loose 2.1 and 31.1 and 5.1?

Are these signals from the Republic tower changing over the daytime?
1 thing that these stations all have in common: They aren't on RP! They are all also broadcasting with much more power.

You are probably experiencing atmosphere induced signal degradation.

5.1(KGWN) is, for some reason, the most powerful signal that I receive. And, it's almost 100 miles further than RP. For some of us, RP is somebody's idea of a bad joke. And preseason football is less than 2 weeks away!
....jc

So sad, but so very true(And I'm not a liberal). We've been betrayed.

Wasted Bandwidth? How do waste something that has so little value(All of the hardware is made overseas)?

What Bob & Ceb are saying is true. And, if the zest for low wage labor has yet to have an affect on your life, consider yourself lucky. But be very vigilant and wary, your job could be next.
....jc

I've been unemployed since 03' due to Agilent moving alll manufacturing overseas. It's what keeps our costs for goods low. I'm not bitter and yes I am a ex liberal and now republilcan

If we must waste bandwidth here - I want to make sure everyone gets heard from.

REggie

You are probably experiencing atmosphere induced signal degradation.

....jc

I guess my only hope then would be to put the antenna on the roof with a rotor. Sigh.

Reggie

I think KUSA/KTVD are back to about where they were before the purchase closed a couple of weeks ago.

At least KTVD is now attempting to transmit HD and having limited success.

I guess my only hope then would be to put the antenna on the roof with a rotor. Sigh.
Look at the bright side, at least you might have a chance! :p I have experimented, and short of a quad array of large antennas, I'll have to live with what I have(Winegard 8200 - 177" & a CM 4228). With the low power it's just a crap shoot. Hopefully, you've seen the pic of the antennas on top of RP. They are all within about 50' of each other, yet each station broadcasts a different pattern. I can receive KTVD, day in and day out. The others well, it depends on the atmospheric conditions. Damn you sCARE!
....jc

So Now that I got my HD from 7.1 and 9.1 - I find that my signal levels have gone back to below minimum levels. What would cause this? Last night and this morning they were great. I have also lost 6.1 too.

I have a attic antenna with a Winguard booster - but if the booster was effected by the temperature - wouldn't I also loose 2.1 and 31.1 and 5.1?

Are these signals from the Republic tower changing over the daytime?

Reggie

I believe the signals get weaker in the daytime up north. I think we are on the fringe in Longmont and Ft Collins. KTVD and KMGH sometimes become unstable for me during the day or when we have bad weather. They tend to drop 20 pts on my panny plasma during the day. My signals are rock solid at night, except for a few breakups from 6-1 every hour, making me lucky to always get every channel during primetime.

I believe the signals get weaker in the daytime up north. I think we are on the fringe in Longmont and Ft Collins. KTVD and KMGH sometimes become unstable for me during the day or when we have bad weather. They tend to drop 20 pts on my panny plasma during the day. My signals are rock solid at night, except for a few breakups from 6-1 every hour, making me lucky to always get every channel during primetime.
OK - good info - probably a risky investment then to get the antenna moved to the roof as it probably will not add much to my signal strength. As long as night is good. That is the major thing - though getting 9 for football would be a good thing in the daytime.

Soaps I can do without.

Reggie

Damn you sCARE!Yeah, let's get back to the stuff we agree on.

In other news, KTVD-DT now
a) is mapping to 20-1
b) has populated their EPG
c) has both picture and sound with no breakups or stutters.

Since KTVD can now broadcast HD, and since some Rockies home games are HD on FSRM (only on D*), do we know if KTVD will be broadcasting the Sunday home games in HD?

Where is KTVD transmitting from... cant receive it at all in Castle Rock.

Yeah, let's get back to the stuff we agree on.

In other news, KTVD-DT now
a) is mapping to 20-1
b) has populated their EPG
c) has both picture and sound with no breakups or stutters.

For me and Samsung SIR-T451
a) is mapping to 20-1 :)
b) has populated EPG :)
c) has both picture and sound but occasionally breakups, every half-hour or so for a minute. :confused:

The signal strength shows max signal. :)

The picture is as good or better than most of the other stations when its not breaking up. :)

KTVD is broadcasting from Republic Plaza.

edit: at about 8:25pm mst they had issues as KTVD stopped their HD broadcast,
not sure if they restarted before the end of prime time. :confused:

Are they broadcasting with less power? All the other Republic Plaza come in good.

Sky,
It might not be their power, all the RP transmitters are about the same power but, their PSIP encoding. Some OTA receivers are not accepting their signal.

Anyone with an HR10-250 able to receive KTVD-DT?

Agree, I can receive aLL RP digital stations EXCEPT UPN. No, I am not gonna get into my attic, and adjust my antenna. What's up with that?!

Stations received at my location (In no particular order):

KMGH- YES!
KUSA - YES !
KWGN - YES !
KCNC--YES !
KRMA--YES !
KBDI-- YES !
KDVR -- YES !
KDEN-- YES !
KTVD-- NO, signal bounces around, I check all of the time
KFCT -- sometimes
KWHD -- nope, trace signal
KCEC -- nope, trace signal
KRMT-- nope, trace signal

I've been unemployed since 03' due to Agilent moving alll manufacturing overseas. It's what keeps our costs for goods low. I'm not bitter and yes I am a ex liberal and now republilcan

If we must waste bandwidth here - I want to make sure everyone gets heard from.

REggie

So you are willing to trade your livelihood for cheap trinkets from abroad? You don't just accept but seek to perpetuate conditions that are not in your own self-interest?

With all due respect, what does your shrink make of this?

So you are willing to trade your livelihood for cheap trinkets from abroad? You don't just accept but seek to perpetuate conditions that are not in your own self-interest?

With all due respect, what does your shrink make of this?

First of all, let's stay out of politics here other than the obvious Jeffco commissioners issues. Straying OT once in a while for a quick comment is one thing (we have all been guilty at one time or another), staying OT to discuss politics is another. If you all want to talk politics etc. put your money down and become an AVS member and discuss the issues in the "Coffee House Thread".

Second of all, "With all due respect", please do not get personal.

Anyone with an HR10-250 able to receive KTVD-DT?
I was able to a few days ago - haven't checked since then.

Second of all, "With all due respect", please do not get personal.
John, you ignorant slut!

(oh wait, that's not quite right, is it?)

John, you ignorant slut!



:D :D
roflmao!

Still one of the funniest lines (different name) ever used on SNL.

John, you ignorant slut!

(oh wait, that's not quite right, is it?)I still remember ROTFL when Dan Akroyd came out with the original line, back in the heyday of SNL. Unfortunately the silly point-counterpoint he was lampooning seems to have become the norm for political argument on TV rather than the exception.

I found an article today that all may find quite interesting.

--
http://www.cepro.com/news/editorial/14345.html


PulseLink Confirms 400 Mbps HDTV over Shabby Coax Networks
Posted by Julie Jacobson on Jul 28 2006 @ 6:57 AM

400 Mbps two-way data + HDTV over this?!

If you're like most TV watchers, you probably have a rat's nest of coax cable running through a network of cheap splitters. And you probably think you'll never get HDTV without rewiring.

Now there's hope from PulseLink, whose CWave UWB (ultra-wideband) over coax solution delivers high-bandwidth multistreaming capabilities for the lowly coax cable. A third-party testing agency, Quantum Parametrics, has certified that CWave can sustain 400-Mbps throughput over coax, spanning "hundreds of feet of in-home coaxial cable, including multiple consumer grade signal splitters. ... Tested configurations included several combinations comprising hundreds of feet of RG-59 consumer grade coaxial cable; multiple signal splitters; and various lengths of unterminated coax cable stubs attached to unused splitter ports."

PulseLink maintains that such performance is unprecedented. The company is working closely with the High-Definition Audio-Video Network Alliance (HANA) to implement the 1394 S400 communications protocol over the coax network for delivering guaranteed quality of service (QoS) and content protection. HANA is a group of technology providers, CE manufacturers and content providers that promotes the use of 1394 for secure, high-performance A/V distribution within the home.

(The rest of the article is at the link above.)

I have had the best customer service experience of my life, thanks to DirecTV. I called them yesterday at about 12:00 noon, mountain time. I explained that my component connections from my H20 were going bad to a level 1, and after about forty-give seconds, (when he'd realized I'd already tried everything,) he transferred me to a level 2. I explained everything to her, and she took care of me. Even though I owned my STB and was well beyond the warranty period, DirecTV said they would send me out a brand new H20. I asked her if it was possible to get the H20-100 instead of the H20-600 that was being replaced. Not a problem. She even waived the shipping fees and.

Less than 24 hours later, I had a brand new H20-100 arrive at my door via FedEx. To boot, they provided a label to ship the old receiver back to DirecTV so that I wouldn't have to pay for return shipping.

I'm sure my preferred customer status helped, but that's how you treat people. Sure, I want to see more national HD, but they've earned themselves a commitment from me well beyond any contract.

The only negative that I have is that my OTA reception is not quite as good with this box. 4.1 tends to break up quite often, and 20.1 hardly comes in at all. I guess I have to get back up there and adjust again. :(

Ernie you and Ron look good on TV, but of course you would look a lot better in HD.

Anyone with an HR10-250 able to receive KTVD-DT?
I receive it fine. It maps to 20-1 on my HR10-250, but it seems to be SD everytime I tune to it, so I mostly don't bother.

Thanks for the report. The signal meter on my HD-Tivo shows good strength, but I dont receive sound or picture for 20-1. I'll wait until they start broadcasting the Rockies games in HD before I have a full blown panic attack.

Thanks for the report. The signal meter on my HD-Tivo shows good strength, but I dont receive sound or picture for 20-1.

KTVD has apparently changed their PSIP info in the past few days. I now receive it on all of my receivers. I used to receive a good strength signal but no video/sound. I don't know if it helped, but I did email Don Perez of KUSA/KTVD about this on Tuesday. Seems like it was fixed the same day.

I ordered a Humax HFA-100 from J&R Music World last week and it arrived yesterday. I got it all hooked up and was terribly disappointed to find out the thing received just as many channels (KWGN, KDVR, and KBDI) as my Sammy SIR-T100.

So, today, I decided to get up on the ol' roof and try re-aligning the antenna one last time before I threw in the towel on trying to receive the RP stations. No one was around to yell at me when a picture showed up, so I got two of my cordless phones, and called myself using the intercom feature. I placed one phone in front of my TV speaker and took the other one up on the roof with me. Needless to say, it didn't go well, I got nothing no matter what I did.

So I gave up. And for some strange reason I decided to push the antenna (I guess I was just frustrated), and it swiveled around to the south and I briefly heard audio on the phone, and then silence. So, moved the antenna back a little and something was coming in loud in clear, it was “KyleXY” on KMGH! I couldn't believe it! I bolted the thing down, and slowly backed away from it (being careful not to fall off the roof).

I got inside and did a re-scan. I was just happy to get KMGH, because that's been my goal. To my surprise, the Humax found 11 channels, and they're all watchable:

KWGN 90%
KRMA 60%
KMGH 60%
KTSC 80%
KUSA 60%
KKTV 100%
KBDI 100%
KRDO 60%
KDEN 100%
KDVR 100%
KWHD 90%

I was surprised to see KCNC was MIA seeing as how I get KUSA and KMGH so well. But that's OK because KKTV over in the Springs is a CBS affiliate.
Also KTVD was nowhere to be found (what a surprise...)

Anyway, I'm off to watch Conan... in HD! I never thought I'd be able to say that. :D

Ernie you and Ron look good on TV, but of course you would look a lot better in HD.
What did I miss seeing?
Details please!
(unless of course this was just a re-run from their appearance on "Guys Gone Wild")

Does this sound a bit familiar?:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=388840

Ernie you and Ron look good on TV, but of course you would look a lot better in HD.Thanks Leonard, but I'm not that kind of guy (Not that there's anything wrong that!)

Jetlag, the Rockford-Gray produced commercial where Ernie and I are interviewed is currently airing. I have the MPG and I'll send it to Ernie and see if he can post it on the DenverDTV Info (http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/denverdtv.htm) web site.

Still no KTVD-DT for me -- although it does act differently. The signal now bounces betwwen 28 and 50 quite regularly with still no pic or sound. And all I need is above 33 for a lock.

Thanks Leonard, but I'm not that kind of guy (Not that there's anything wrong that!)

Jetlag, the Rockford-Gray produced commercial where Ernie and I are interviewed is currently airing. I have the MPG and I'll send it to Ernie and see if he can post it on the DenverDTV Info (http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/denverdtv.htm) web site.

Still no KTVD-DT for me -- although it does act differently. The signal now bounces betwwen 28 and 50 quite regularly with still no pic or sound. And all I need is above 33 for a lock.

KTVD has been extremely pixcelated for me on my panny plasma. Haven't gone down stairs to check my old DTC100. Signal strength has been dropping really low in the day, to 35/100. Usually, it drops to the high forties to low fifties during the day. Normal strength in the evening is 66-68

Does this sound a bit familiar?:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=388840
03/13/2010

Mayor Seeks Antenna Ban

Denver mayor Deb Carney has asked the city council to ban all outdoor antennas and dishes, citing that they are tools of the Devil and that they bring garbage into our homes. The mayor further stated that they bring an element of 'ugliness' into our society, and 'that we need to keep Denver as pristine as the mountains that surround us'. She also stated that she doesn't want Denver to become 'another Pueblo'.

After the crushing defeat of anti-tower initiatives by Jeffco commissioners, the group that Ms. Carney helped lead, C.A.R.E., was disbanded. Later that year, Ms. Carney started the H.A.G.(Homeowners Against Garbage) party. The party's goal as stated on their headquarters building: 'To rid Denver of the unnecessary garbage in our society'. 'Garbage takes many forms, and if we don't like something, out it goes'.

Ms Carney was elected in 2008, and since that time, the population in Denver has declined by 500,000. When asked about the decline, Ms Carney stated 'It looks like we are doing our job'.

To my surprise, the Humax found 11 channels, and they're all watchable:

KWGN 90%
KRMA 60%
KMGH 60%
KTSC 80%
KUSA 60%
KKTV 100%
KBDI 100%
KRDO 60%
KDEN 100%
KDVR 100%
KWHD 90%
Who woulda thunk that Bennett was the HD capital of Colorado? :eek: Watch out, there could be a population boom! What about KXRM in the Springs? Nothing? Also KOAA in the springs is rumored to be coming online Monday.
....jc

KTVD has been extremely pixcelated for me on my panny plasma. Haven't gone down stairs to check my old DTC100. Signal strength has been dropping really low in the day, to 35/100. Usually, it drops to the high forties to low fifties during the day. Normal strength in the evening is 66-68

Similar issue here the last few days. Normally I was reading about 65% signal strenght for many months, but couldn't read the PSIP data and had no sound or picture. For the last 3 or 4 days now I am getting a pixellated picture (unwatchable), no sound, and a signal strenght in the mid 40% range. Good thing I never watch it anyway, but glad to see the KUSA folks are 'on top' of the problems.

Last night when I watched Numb3rs KCNC was worse than usual so I spun the antenna and watched KKTV 11 from the Springs. While the signal was rock solid I thought about applying for a job in their master control. Most of the switches into the program were fine, but every switch out of a segment went to SD a few seconds before the end, once going into a program segment it stayed in SD for 10 or 15 seconds, when they did a station ID it switched to SD, the ID graphic appeared and when the graphic went away it went back to HD :eek: Also every HD-SD or SD-HD switch was accompanied by a noticable click in the audio. Granted it was better than KCNC with audio drops and pixelization every 15 seconds, but good grief! I haven't done Master Control for 15 years but I could do better than that

KTVD must have screwed with their PSIP again today. Great signal, no video or sound. My receivers won't lock - it can't find a channel number in the PSIP.

Who woulda thunk that Bennett was the HD capital of Colorado? :eek: Watch out, there could be a population boom! What about KXRM in the Springs? Nothing? Also KOAA in the springs is rumored to be coming online Monday.
....jc

More importantly, who woulda thunk that pointing the antenna kinda-sorta in the direction of the transmitters atop RP would work better than pointing it directly at them...

The Humax received PSIP info from KXRM and KGWN last night. But the signal strength from both of them is bouncing around from 10% to 20%, and it needs 30% to get a lock. I'm really tempted to do some more antenna tweaking to see if I can get those two, but I don't want to push my luck.

KTVD is coming in great tonight but is mapping to 19-3 (!) rather than 20-1 for me…

Ernie you and Ron look good on TV, but of course you would look a lot better in HD.

I saw the spot last night... haven't peeked over on this thread for a while, but I had to say hello. Thank you for keeping this issue moving forward.

What is scary is I think I recognized Ernie before I read his name... and I haven't posted on this thread for a year or two!

More importantly, who woulda thunk that pointing the antenna kinda-sorta in the direction of the transmitters atop RP would work better than pointing it directly at them...


I ran into the same thing whenI was first testing to see what I could receive. I got one of those cheap Radio Shack yagis and when pointed at Denver I got nothing. Pointed it straight north (I am almost as far east as you are) and 7 and 9 came in. However when I replaced it with a 4228 I now point roughly toward Denver (plus 4 comes in now most of the time)

KTVD is coming in great tonight but is mapping to 19-3 (!) rather than 20-1 for me…
When I checked last night my Samsung SIR-T451 wasn't remapping 19-1 to 20-1 anymore but I did have picture and sound. KTVD was not braodcasting in HD at the time. Too bad, I might have watched Total Recall if they had been rather than just
flipping through.

KTVD is coming in great tonight but is mapping to 19-3 (!) rather than 20-1 for me…


I am using a D* H20 (actually I have a -100 and a -600). I haven't checked very often, but a few days back when several people said KTVD was mapping correctly and producing picture and sound for them on several different receivers, I did check. I had 80% signal, no picture, no sound. I rescanned for OTA channels, no luck. Since they started this move process, I hve not yet seen or heard anything from KTVD on either of the H20s or my Sammy 360.

Phil P.

I just went, out of curiousity, and checked again, this time I threw my DTC 100 into the mix. The 360 got something mapped to 19-1 but was too pixelated to watch (at least a picture and sound though). DTC 100 found it on 19, no lock. The h20-100 found a mapping to 20-1, no picture, no sound. I checked the signal, it was bouncing from 0 to 45. By comparison the range for the other channels from RP and Lookout is about 75 to 90 (90 for 31-1). 12-1 is at about 65.

I have a question about this 40 series of channels that shows up on my guide in my H20 boxes ( it think 40-1 through 40-14). The guide info just says "HDTV". When checking other local signals to compare with KTVD , I found a signal on all of this 40 series that bounced around from about 10% to 50% , but no lock on anything.

Does anyone know what these channels are there for and where they originate?

Thanks,
Phil P.

I think the NBC station for Colorado Springs (KOAA) is about to begin HD broadcasts from a tower on Cheyenne Mtn. I believe they are using the 40 frequency which is supposed to re-map to 5-1

Edit: my bad, it is 42 not 40.

I have a question about this 40 series of channels that shows up on my guide in my H20 boxes ( it think 40-1 through 40-14). The guide info just says "HDTV". When checking other local signals to compare with KTVD , I found a signal on all of this 40 series that bounced around from about 10% to 50% , but no lock on anything.

Does anyone know what these channels are there for and where they originate?
Iwanthd is correct. The rumor is that KOAA is to be online tonight or tomorrow(won't do me any good though :( ). Since they are an NBC affiliate I do expect a subchannel for WeatherPlus. Other than that who knows.
....jc

I just got and HDTV and was trying to get HD channels. Why do the stations in Denver refuse to go full power? I'm so disappointed. I've done some reading and it sounds like they wont give up and build their tower somewhere else? It sure seems like with about 60 miles of foothills bordering Denver they could find SOMEWHERE to put their tower. Or at least crank up the power on their tower downtown so everyone can get it. Seems like they have their mind set on one location and nothing else. I guess I'll have to get my local channels from comcast.

I just got and HDTV and was trying to get HD channels. Why do the stations in Denver refuse to go full power? I'm so disappointed. I've done some reading and it sounds like they wont give up and build their tower somewhere else? It sure seems like with about 60 miles of foothills bordering Denver they could find SOMEWHERE to put their tower. Or at least crank up the power on their tower downtown so everyone can get it. Seems like they have their mind set on one location and nothing else. I guess I'll have to get my local channels from comcast.

Where are you located and what kind of antenna are you using. If you check the history of this thread you will find a great deal of information about what you might try, and be successful in getting the local HD content OTA.

There is also a great deal of infomation about why it is an accepted fact by those that are unbiased, and knowledgeable about signal propagation, that the Lookout Mountain location is the best place for the transmitters, period.

The locals transmitting from Republic Plaza are constrained by RF exposure requirements and by the buildings capability to provide power from increasing their output.

Check the archives, every question that you bring up has been discussed in extreme detail over the last several years.

Phil P.

I know that most on this forum hate the 9NEWS WeatherPlus channel (9-2), but for those who have watched it, do you notice the loud booming on the audio. Sounds like someone banging against the microphone during the broadcast or else the weather-person's mouth is getting too close to the microphone. I get this on both of my receivers, so it isn't a receiver problem. It's been going on for months now, so maybe KUSA just doesn't monitor what they broadcast.

OK, KTVD at 4:20 PM MDT, 90+ signal strength, no sound, no picture, 20-1 on Dish 811, 19-3 on LG 4200A. Looks like it is still a work in progress.

I know that most on this forum hate the 9NEWS WeatherPlus channel (9-2), but for those who have watched it, do you notice the loud booming on the audio. Sounds like someone banging against the microphone during the broadcast or else the weather-person's mouth is getting too close to the microphone. I get this on both of my receivers, so it isn't a receiver problem. It's been going on for months now, so maybe KUSA just doesn't monitor what they broadcast.

Well, now that I can actually receive KUSA, I've been watching the Weather Plus channel here and there.

The first time I heard the booming, I almost jumped out of my seat because I use my 5.1 system all of the time, so it was all coming out of the sub. I thought someone was jumping around on top of my roof, until I muted the sound to go outside and see what the heck was going on, and the thumping instantly went away...

I know that most on this forum hate the 9NEWS WeatherPlus channel (9-2), but for those who have watched it, do you notice the loud booming on the audio.I usually notice it at the end of the local KUSA segments. Seems like they just aren't paying much attention to making clean cuts, and so sometimes the announcer is already pulling their microphone off before the cut.

So is anyone actually receiving KTVD digital OTA? I thought I read a few weeks ago that someone had seen "Veronica Mars" in HD, but every time I check on Comcast, it's just SD.

So is anyone actually receiving KTVD digital OTA? I thought I read a few weeks ago that someone had seen "Veronica Mars" in HD, but every time I check on Comcast, it's just SD.
A few weeks ago, I reported that KTVD was in HD. The programming was full screen, and looked to be HD. On my Mits when it's full screen, it's always been an HD broadcast. I checked Titan TV, and it indicated that it was in HD(whatever program that it was). I know that some networks are now 'getting sneaky' and sending out a widescreen version of an SD broadcast. Again, the broadcast looked to be HD on both of my receivers. Sigh.

I just checked, and all they are broadcasting on digital is an infomercial. And, it's in SD. So, I have nothing to in which to compare. And, this is definitely OTA, as I don't have cable(too funny, this rinky-dink company doesn't have any HD) & D* doesn't have UPN out here. And, of course my LG has it as 19-3 and my Mits as 19-1(both with audio & video).
....jc

I believe those 40's channels are KRMT, the digital to the religious analog 41. I did a scan one night about a month ago and found 40-1 through 40-16. Since I believe the limit is 6 channels in SD, it's evident they don't have a clue and, like all of the other Denver locals, missed the July 1, 2006 full power deadline. I don't think I've ever seen a true digital transmission from them, not that I'd watch it anyway.

I just got back into town (Was at the Copper Mt. Guitartown Festival)

I'll try to post the TV spot tomorrow. I did have a weird experience. I was at the Supermarket and the pharmacist said, "Hey aren't you that guy on TV in the commercial for the tower?" We chatted and I told her some facts. She then said she totally agreed with our side and those homeowers are just plain nuts.

I smiled and said thanks, but I wish others were as smart as you!

I just got back into town (Was at the Copper Mt. Guitartown Festival)

I'll try to post the TV spot tomorrow. I did have a weird experience. I was at the Supermarket and the pharmacist said, "Hey aren't you that guy on TV in the commercial for the tower?" We chatted and I told her some facts and the sCARE lies. She then said she totally agreed with our side and those homeowers are just plain nuts.

I smiled and said thanks, but I wish others were as smart as you!

When you start signing autographs and charging for personal appearances, it may be too much for us normal folks in the AVS group. And when you are seen partying every night with Lindsay Lohan and show up on Entertainment Tonight, I hope you will remember those of us here who supported you when you were just a 'nobody', and at least have your publicist log in to AVS once in a while and let us know how your acting career is going.
:D

So is anyone actually receiving KTVD digital OTA? I thought I read a few weeks ago that someone had seen "Veronica Mars" in HD, but every time I check on Comcast, it's just SD.

With a Samsung SIR-T451 tuner I am receiving KTVD digital OTA. HD has been a hit or miss situation. Last Thursday I watched a couple of shows in HD on KTVD but haven't seen them broadcasting any HD since.

I just put the latest LCG TV spot up on my server.

LCG TV Spot - Quick Time (http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/LCGTV.mov)

LCG TV Spot - MPEG (http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/LCGTV.mpg)

Ernie,

The link doesn't work - at least for me - 404 page not found error.

Here's two versions. Quicktime or MPEG.
Please don't ask for Super 8mm too? ;)

LCG TV Spot - Quick Time (http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/LCGTV.mov)
LCG TV Spot - MPEG (http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/LCGTV.mpg)

Worked for me. I wonder how they found the other Golden residents.

The link is fixed. Try it now.

LCG TV Spot (http://www.santellaproductions.com/dtv/LCGTV.mov)
That was weird! I got to see it with the 1st link(Thanks Ernie!), but now it wants to install QuickTime, and it won't fire up. :( Oh well, this is an old pc!
....jc

With a Samsung SIR-T451 tuner I am receiving KTVD digital OTA. HD has been a hit or miss situation. Last Thursday I watched a couple of shows in HD on KTVD but haven't seen them broadcasting any HD since.
I just checked KTVD. I'm receiving their current broadcast in HD. There was an issue when they switched from SD to HDTV. The picture was pixellated to the point of being unwatchable for the first couple of minutes but the picture and sound is great at the moment. We'll see how long it lasts.

Still no video or sound from KTVD despite an 89% signal strength. I just can't understand why they can't fix this.

Has everyone with problems e-mailed KTVD, and included the model of their receiver?

Some are more critical on PSIP data than others.

Thanks to TheBert in a previous message on his suggestion using a Radio Shack 160" VU-190 antenna and confirmed multiple good receptions sites in Longmont with it. Previously I was using an old Radio Shack 80" VU-90 antenna and was not getting any signals from RP. Now with the VU-190 installed in my attic, I'm getting RP and lookout mountain. Here's my list of channels:

Channel, Station, Reception status on Samsung HL-S5687W.
2-1, KWGN (WB), 6/10
2-2, The Tube, 6/10
4-1, KCNC (CBS), 3/10
6-1, KRMA (PBS), 2/10
6-100, UpdatTV, 2/10
6-101, UpdatTV, 2/10
7-1, KMGH (ABC), 3/10
9-1, KUSA (NBC), 3/10
9-2, WX Plus (9-News Weather), 3/10
15-1, Spanish TV, 6/10
25-1, KDEN, 6/10
31-1, KDVR (FOX), 6/10
50-1, KCEC, 4/10
53-1, KWHD, 4/10

Even though the reception status is as low as 2 out of 10 bars on my TV, I have not seen any pixilation or dropouts on those channels.

Now for questions for everyone else...
1) What is 6-100 and 6-101?
2) Why can't I get UPN 20 when it is also at RP (using lower power than others?) Are others in the forum in the same boat? Does it take much more to get this channel?
3) I lost channel 12 (PBS) now that I am pointing more at RP. My old antenna is still in it original location. I was wondering about combining the signal from the two antennas, but I heard this does create some signal loss unless the antenna are pointed at the same object and then it's a gain. I wonder the effects if it only 10-20 degrees difference.
4) I would be curious to hear other Longmont users and their reception capabilities and the antenna they are using.

1) What is 6-100 and 6-101?
I don't think anyone has figured that out. No audio, no video.
2) Why can't I get UPN 20 when it is also at RP (using lower power than others?) Are others in the forum in the same boat? Does it take much more to get this channel?
It's the only channel that I receive on a reliable basis from RP. There are problems with that station. Many are getting good signal strength but no audio or video.
3) I lost channel 12 (PBS) now that I am pointing more at RP. My old antenna is still in it original location. I was wondering about combining the signal from the two antennas, but I heard this does create some signal loss unless the antenna are pointed at the same object and then it's a gain. I wonder the effects if it only 10-20 degrees difference.
The antennas would need to be identical. 10-20 degrees probably wouldn't be worth the effort. Split the difference, and you should be able to receive from both locations.
4) I would be curious to hear other Longmont users and their reception capabilities and the antenna they are using.
Can't help ya there. But there are quite a few others living in that area.
....jc

Just wondering if the radio shack VU-190 or similar would be worth the effort for me in Johnstown. My home is located at a pretty high point in the city and I can place on the roof with a pretty good line of site towards Denver. The local cable here stinks.... no chance of HD this year. I guess my question is would I be wasting money going this route with an antenna and amp? Any input much appreciated.

Just wondering if the radio shack VU-190 or similar would be worth the effort for me in Johnstown. My home is located at a pretty high point in the city and I can place on the roof with a pretty good line of site towards Denver. The local cable here stinks.... no chance of HD this year. I guess my question is would I be wasting money going this route with an antenna and amp? Any input much appreciated.
Other than the effort on your part, Rat Shack will take back anything if if doesn't work for you. Go for it, especially since you have line of sight. You might try just walking around on your roof to see what you get before you mount a mast to hold it up. And remember, it is a matter of inches for the best results.

I'm in Greeley and I can't get 4, 6, 7, or 9 of the big stations with my antenna. But there are folks in Ft. Collins and Loveland who can (at least sometimes ;) ) It's worth a shot and if you're up on a hill your chances are better.

If that doesn't work, 4, 7, 9 and 31 are in HD through satellite now as well (Both DirecTv and Dish). Good luck.

Thanks for your input guys, I will try it out and let you know the results.

1) What is 6-100 and 6-101?


KRMA is an UpdateTV server. UpdateTV is a service that the ATSC created in 2004 to standardize the way manufacturers deliver firmware upgrades to their boxes.

I don't really like it, because if that broadcast flag ever comes back, our boxes could be upgraded to support it before we even know what happened. Fortunately, I don't think any of the boxes manufactured before 2007 support UpdateTV.

Although, I'm kind of worried that my Humax HFA-100 is conveniently hiding 6-100 and 6-101 from me, while my old Samsung SIRT-T100 had no problem showing them to me. I can't help but wonder if the Humax knows what they are for...

Has everyone with problems e-mailed KTVD, and included the model of their receiver?

Some are more critical on PSIP data than others.

If I had an email address to which I could email, I would.

Thanks to TheBert in a previous message on his suggestion using a Radio Shack 160" VU-190 antenna and confirmed multiple good receptions sites in Longmont with it. Previously I was using an old Radio Shack 80" VU-90 antenna and was not getting any signals from RP. Now with the VU-190 installed in my attic, I'm getting RP and lookout mountain. Here's my list of channels:

Channel, Station, Reception status on Samsung HL-S5687W.
2-1, KWGN (WB), 6/10
2-2, The Tube, 6/10
4-1, KCNC (CBS), 3/10
6-1, KRMA (PBS), 2/10
6-100, UpdatTV, 2/10
6-101, UpdatTV, 2/10
7-1, KMGH (ABC), 3/10
9-1, KUSA (NBC), 3/10
9-2, WX Plus (9-News Weather), 3/10
15-1, Spanish TV, 6/10
25-1, KDEN, 6/10
31-1, KDVR (FOX), 6/10
50-1, KCEC, 4/10
53-1, KWHD, 4/10

Even though the reception status is as low as 2 out of 10 bars on my TV, I have not seen any pixilation or dropouts on those channels.

Now for questions for everyone else...
1) What is 6-100 and 6-101?
2) Why can't I get UPN 20 when it is also at RP (using lower power than others?) Are others in the forum in the same boat? Does it take much more to get this channel?
3) I lost channel 12 (PBS) now that I am pointing more at RP. My old antenna is still in it original location. I was wondering about combining the signal from the two antennas, but I heard this does create some signal loss unless the antenna are pointed at the same object and then it's a gain. I wonder the effects if it only 10-20 degrees difference.
4) I would be curious to hear other Longmont users and their reception capabilities and the antenna they are using.

I'm near 17th and Hover just North of the FAA. Here are my signal strengths with the RS U-75R 40" UHF antenna and RS high gain amp 15-2507 on my panny plasma. Note that I don't get RP without the amp. My antenna is pointed directly at RP.

2-1 81%
4-1 70%
6-1 70%
7-1 66%
9-1 80%
20-1 62%
25-1 70%
31-1 86%
53-1 73%
20-1 and 7-1 drop about 15-25 pts during the day time
4-1, 6-1 and 9-1 drop about 5-7 pts during the day
4-1, 6-1, 7-1 and 20-1 will go out when we have bad weather

I also can get these if I turn the antenna, but since I don't have a rotator, I just leave it pointed at RP for convenience.

5-1 80% (Cheyenne CBS)
12-1 60%
15-1 65%
22-1 82% (FT Collins Fox repeater)

If I had an email address to which I could email, I would.

I just happen to have the email address to which you could email to: feedback@upn20.tv

I just happen to have the email address to which you could email to: feedback@upn20.tv

I've used that email address in the past, but it was before KTVD's purchase. I think it's just for programming comments and nothing is passed on to engineers, etc. Never received a reply. Since KUSA runs KTVD now, I have successfully emailed, and received replies, regarding KTVD by contacting Don Perez at don.perez@9news.com. I sent him an email last week regarding KTVD, and the next day it seemed everyone on the forum started losing video and audio on KTVD. He hasn't replied to my latest email, but I must admit I was probably a little harsh since they seemed to have 'fixed' KTVD's PSIP and then they screwed around with it again, essentially going back to square one.

I checked KTVD earlier today. On my E*811 and TV with built-in tuner, KTVD is OK but incorrectly maps to 19-1. On my Accurians and my E*211, the tuners show good signal strength but no video or audio.

You're right Mike. It's probably is better to email Don.

In other news, it looks like KDVRs HD transmitter is down. I wonder what happened?

I was just doing signal checks and for the first time in a while KTVD was coming in fine

Woo hoo!

I just set my SIR-T451 to tune Cable-IRC, and I found all of the unencrypted QAM channels!

So, I now have this situation:

OTA HD for CBS, PBS, NBC and FOX (I even get Fox from Ft. Collins and Cheyenne). But, no ABC.

or

Cable QAM HD including ABC, but all on funky high channels + high subchannels (i.e. 94-8, 111-6, etc).

It's a lot easier tuning the OTA channels. But, I guess I could make a cheat sheet with the locations of the channels I want to see. I don't think I'll ever get my ReplayTV to tune to those HD channels through the 451.

I just spent an hour editing out the blank and false channels and subchannels. I have several hours more work to do to clean it up. But, getting free HD through cable is very pleasing.

I was surprised that I now also receive many more SD channels through the Samsung 451 than through normal analog cable.

But, getting free HD through cable is very pleasing.

Free? Aren't you paying $50+ / month for cable?

You're getting the digital OTA channels at no additional charge because the cable company (unlike the city of Golden) has created a transition plan for its customers for when those analog OTA channels go away in February 2009.

Did you notice if Comcast is passing any of the SD subchannels?

-Glen

The cable company ... has created a transition plan for its customers for when those analog OTA channels go away in February 2009.


I'd also argue that this gives the cable company value over the satellite providers:

Each digital cable ready set you add in your house costs you $0 more per month because you don't need an additonal settop box whereas the satellite providers require an additional settop box and a $5 / month "program mirroring" charge for each settop box added.

Just like in the old days with analog cable ready sets...but now with shiny new digital cable ready sets.

-Glen

Free? Aren't you paying $50+ / month for cable?

You're getting the digital OTA channels at no additional charge because the cable company (unlike the city of Golden) has created a transition plan for its customers for when those analog OTA channels go away in February 2009.

Did you notice if Comcast is passing any of the SD subchannels?

-Glen

Actually, I buy cable Internet. I work from home, and pass my phones through Vonage, so this is essential service for me.

Analog cable is "free" when buying Internet ($55/month Internet vs $55/month Internet + TV) from Comcast here. My Comcast account gives the $10 a month discount for having basic TV, which costs $10 a month.

Yes, my SIR-T451 picks up the entirity of the SD channels that my Replay picks up from its internal NTSC tuner, plus the few locals in HD. Many music channels, too (the ones you get in the digital cable feed).

The downside is, they are all at whacked out locations way high in the numbers. Some of them 11 subchannels deep. Mapping the ones I want to have is going to be tough. And forget having a DVR tune them for you.

Still, it means I can have news in HD, "Lost," and whatever else comes along that I want to have HD for. For everything else, the Replay will record the SD and skip commercials for me.

Analog cable is "free" when buying Internet ($55/month Internet vs $55/month Internet + TV) from Comcast here. My Comcast account gives the $10 a month discount for having basic TV, which costs $10 a month.

That's pretty darn cool. I didn't know Comcast was doing that.

We need to build an IR re-mapper that accepts IR blasts from the ReplayTV, remaps them to the whacked out Comcast digital channel numbers, then blasts out the new IR codes to the Samsung tuner.

Who knows. Maybe there will be a market for something like that until all broadcasters and cable / satellite providers figure out what they are doing.

-Glen

Woo hoo!

I just set my SIR-T451 to tune Cable-IRC, and I found all of the unencrypted QAM channels!...
Cable QAM HD including ABC, but all on funky high channels + high subchannels (i.e. 94-8, 111-6, etc)....
I was surprised that I now also receive many more SD channels through the Samsung 451 than through normal analog cable.

I tried the Samsung SIR-T451, along with others, through cable and had a problem, like others, getting CBS HD (You can search our posts in this forum). I think it's on channel 18 or so from what I remember. Since I'm fortunate to receive the locals with fairly high signal strength I never pursued the Cable QAM option, though I still subscribe to Comcast for $14 per month (Have to get my SCI-FI fix).
Let us know how CBS HD works for you.

Don't know how long before Comcast starts encrypting their non-locals. Enjoy it
while it lasts! :D

Good Luck.

Ron and Ernie, Nice TV spot.

Were we supposed to hear something from the BCC in July or did I miss something? I have been gone for a while and haven't followed this as much as I would have liked.

Were we supposed to hear something from the BCC in July or did I miss something?You are correct, the Commissioners, per Judge Jackson's order to quickly re-vote the application were to make a decision to either vote now or open the whole thing up to new public hearings.

Well, I heard yesterday that the Commissioners are delaying their decision indefinitely. They won't make that decision for another couple of months. Why??? I think they just want to drag this out until their terms are over! ;)

Seriously, I think they are discussing their options with their attorneys to see if they really can open this up to new hearings or if they must just vote.

Free? Aren't you paying $50+ / month for cable?

You're getting the digital OTA channels at no additional charge because the cable company (unlike the city of Golden) has created a transition plan for its customers for when those analog OTA channels go away in February 2009.

Did you notice if Comcast is passing any of the SD subchannels?

-Glen

I can answer that one with two simple words: Hell No!

They did for pass a few through for a while, tuneable with the QAM, but zapped most of them. What is left is in the 81-x and 83-x range. Without QAM, they cable box images are still SD analog and just crap.

I tried the Samsung SIR-T451, along with others, through cable and had a problem, like others, getting CBS HD.I think it's on channel 18 or so from what I remember. Since I'm fortunate to receive the locals with fairly high signal strength I never pursued the Cable QAM option.
Let us know how CBS HD works for you.


Yeah, it seems like a tradeoff. I get CBS HD perfectly OTA, but not ABC.

I get ABC HD on QAM cable, but not CBS.

And the SIR-T451 is too dumb to keep maps of channels between source types, so I can't just switch back and forth.

If I ever can get 7-1 ABC HD to come in, I'll stick with OTA.

I already have a pre-amp on my antenna. A more powerful pre-amp wouldn't improve my reception noticably, would it?

I don't know how long it will last, but last night 20-1 was actually working for me. Power levels were back at about 70% (they have been fluctuating from 50-65% for several weeks) and the H20 D* receiver was able to lock on it just fine for a change. Audio and video were also normal for a change and I didn't see any pixelization for the couple minutes that I watched. Maybe they finally have things working????????

As for the Commissioners stalling a vote on the LCG application, that should really come as no surprise. My guess is they will stall until the LCG is forced to go back to the judge and ask for an injunction to force the vote. The whole process, as far as I can tell, is to stall as long as possible in the hope that the FCC will force the stations to find an alternative site. Why they would think that would happen is beyond me???? Maybe they are just stalling for time until Golden can make their claim, but that doesn't make sense since they refused to back the Golden land grab. I think basically the commissioners and (S)CARE just think the lack of construction on Lookout means they are winning. I don't see how that holds true in the long term, but then my glasses aren't tinted the same 'color' as theirs.

Well I don't think KTVD is fixed. The receivers I have that can decode the PSIP continue to incorrectly map it to 19-1. The receivers I have that haven't been able to decode the PSIP still can't. I just checked. I guess what I don't understand is if the same folks are now responsiblie for KUSA and KTVD's PSIP, and KUSA's is correct, why can't they do the same for KTVD???

Well, I heard yesterday that the Commissioners are delaying their decision indefinitely. They won't make that decision for another couple of months. Why??? I think they just want to drag this out until their terms are over! ;)


Is it time for LCG to file contempt proceedings against the BCC?

Is it time for LCG to file contempt proceedings against the BCC?

Yet another legal procedure that could take months to resolve.

"First, we kill all the lawyers" has alway been a good idea.

Well I don't think KTVD is fixed. The receivers I have that can decode the PSIP continue to incorrectly map it to 19-1. The receivers I have that haven't been able to decode the PSIP still can't. I just checked. I guess what I don't understand is if the same folks are now responsiblie for KUSA and KTVD's PSIP, and KUSA's is correct, why can't they do the same for KTVD???

My guess is they have different multiplexing and PSIP insertion equipment at each station since the equipment purchases at both stations probably predate the acquisition.

Yet another legal procedure that could take months to resolve.


Agreed.

"First, we kill all the lawyers" has alway been a good idea.

Lawyers are good to have on _your_ side. Of course, they're still expensive.

Is it time for LCG to file contempt proceedings against the BCC?
Actually, I think that it's past time for the citizens of all of the counties that would be served by LCG to band together and file a Class Action lawsuit against C.A.R.E.

After all it C.A.R.E that is:
Though its actions denying us easy access to free Digital OTA...
Costing us(in time & money) in pursuit of free Digital OTA. This would be the extra time spent in putting up larger antennas(and other things) and the money that had to be spent to aquire those antennas(and things)...
They are at fault because they are the only entity(maybe Golden also) that has caused us these damages...
Actually I could see businesses added as plaintiffs because they have also suffered damage due to the situation(lack/loss of sales of HD equipment)...

I've seen sillier lawsuits files for sure: McDonalds makes us fat. :rolleyes:

There is little doubt that C.A.R.E. has cost most of us time and money trying to receive the puny signals now being broadcasted. How much time have you wasted on antennas? Me quite a bit. How much money have you spent due to the low power signals? Me quite a bit. How many like me, are still unable to receive the stations that you'd like?

Actually, the amount of damage might not be so 'silly'. How many people at $50 to $100 a piece, would be covered: Possibly 10's of thousands.

If nothing else it would up the ante. If sCARE loses now, what, they are stuck with a new tower. If this lawsuit was filed and they lost, they would be facing possibly millions in damage payments. And this lawsuit would be valid no matter who 'won', because the damage has already occurred.

This is America, and we Can Sue!
....jc

For the people that live in Brighton, what is the recommendations on an antenna? I am just about to finally make the HD plunge.

For the people that live in Brighton, what is the recommendations on an antenna? I am just about to finally make the HD plunge.
Any of the big old-fashioned yagi antennas up on your roof - I use something that looks similar to this (http://winegard.com/offair/platinum.htm).

I had a similar RadioShack brand antenna, but it had been beat up pretty bad from my half-baked garage install so when I called Alpine Electronics to come install it on my roof, I ended up buying a new Winegard antenna from them at the same time.

I'm at 13th and Grant in a third floor apartment. I have a view to the North, so NBC CBS and PBS are easy enough to get. I don't have line of sight West, so Fox is blocked at my location (top spot on antennaweb - yellow 13.4 miles). The building does have an antenna, but analog has a lot of ghosts and I didn't get anything on DTV.

I would like to be able to get Fox easier than I can currently. I'm now using an unamplified RCA loop with the internal tuner on last year's Syntax Olevia. With a lot of positioning and tuning it's possible to get Fox to work but then the others stop working. I've tried a different loop, a Terk TV5, and a Terk HDTVa which were not as good as the RCA. I also tried a Terk TV55 that could pick up Fox easy enough, but moving around in the room caused dropouts.

The Radio Shack 15-1892 with its direction positions might work for what I need. Looking at http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/antinpf.htm I suppose adding a quality preamp could work to make the Fox loop tuning easier, and I seem to remember that the TV55's amp did help the RCA's signal. The last idea I have to try might be a squareshooter or Radio Shack's similar 15-2187. Last year I wasted a lot of time with trial and error to watch football, so I'm not looking forward to it again. Any thoughts on what might work?

Any of the big old-fashioned yagi antennas up on your roof - I use something that looks similar to this (http://winegard.com/offair/platinum.htm).

I had a similar RadioShack brand antenna, but it had been beat up pretty bad from my half-baked garage install so when I called Alpine Electronics to come install it on my roof, I ended up buying a new Winegard antenna from them at the same time.
Does HD sell them? Or should I just go over to Radio Shack?

Does HD sell them? Or should I just go over to Radio Shack?
I think Radio Shack stopped selling them - don't know off hand if HD sells them.

I know - terribly helpful, huh?

I think Radio Shack stopped selling them - don't know off hand if HD sells them.

I know - terribly helpful, huh?
This is the same thing you are talking about?

http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4704&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=4704

or this one
http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4602&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=4602