I read the article about possibly not having our local ABC or Fox stations. If it will raise the price of our cable I think they should get ABC or Fox stations from somewhere else. I don't care about the local programming. I remember up at Canaan Valley the cable had an ABC station out of North Carolina. Maybe get the stations from a big city like Washington D.C. or New York or Chicago (since the Central time zone won’t affect the time). Maybe we could get it cheaper even with the HD stations than what Charter used to pay.

If Suddenlink doesn't come to an agreement it will hurt our local ABC and Fox stations. I am not sure they could handle a loss of 200,000 customers.

Can’t switch to Satellite too many TV’s, only one HD TV though, looking to get another.

Can’t switch to Satellite too many TV’s, only one HD TV though, looking to get another.

They can hook 4 TV's up using only 2 receivers now, I've got 5 total running through Dish.

I know some of you probably don't have built-in tuners but until you watch something of the quality of the Tonight Show OTA you really haven't seen HD in my opinion. Dish HD will have an occasional brilliant broadcast and the RAVE channel aways looks great but its not on par with a good OTA program.

I know some of you probably don't have built-in tuners but until you watch something of the quality of the Tonight Show OTA you really haven't seen HD in my opinion. Dish HD will have an occasional brilliant broadcast and the RAVE channel aways looks great but its not on par with a good OTA program.

How do you think the PQ of the Tonight show OTA is vs Letterman OTA?
In my opinion the CBS feed looks 100x better and in general I'm not that impressed with any of NBC's OTA PQ. Is it just me?

I don't see a distinct difference between any of the 4 OTA channels when they are at their best. Sports seem to look the best due to the vivid colors but I really can't recall a difference between the NFL, NCAA, NASCAR, etc., on the different channels, they all look great.

Leno looks so good because of the city background he uses on his set with all of the colors, it really shows what a good TV and a good feed can look like IMO.

How do you think the PQ of the Tonight show OTA is vs Letterman OTA?
In my opinion the CBS feed looks 100x better and in general I'm not that impressed with any of NBC's OTA PQ. Is it just me?

Leno uses some sort of softening filter while Letterman and Conan don't or at least use very little. That would be my guess as to why Letterman is sharper.

I have also noticed NBC programs for most part like to use a grain effect though not anywhere near as bad as some Fox programs. CBS seems to prefer to use color filters like CSI Miami would be yellow and the first season of CSI NY would be blue/grey. ABC seems to prefer a sharp film type look except for Alias which was grainy.

Just the networks and directors preferences of filters i guess.

Does anyone watch Conan? I don't think NBC is using the same picture ratio on the 2 feeds, or it may be all in my head. Conan is shot in a letterbox format for the SD feed, so that should be the same picture ratio for the HD feed right? But, when I try to look at the 2 feeds in a side-by-side comparison they look a little off. I look at say how much of his desk you can see in the SD (letterbox) picture as compared to how much you can see of it in the HD feed (using the same camera angle). Or how much space there is from the top of his head to the top of the picture on both feeds.
It looks like to me (again maybe all in my head) that they've cut a little bit off the top & bottom for the HD feed, like the picture is zoomed in a little. At first I thought it was compression from Charter/Suddenlink, but it looks the same when I view it OTA. Then I thought it was the NBC affiliate in P-burg (that's multi-casting), but WSAZ looks the same.
Anybody following me here or am I just nuts?
And yes I like using parentheses.

Does anyone watch Conan? I don't think NBC is using the same picture ratio on the 2 feeds, or it may be all in my head. Conan is shot in a letterbox format for the SD feed, so that should be the same picture ratio for the HD feed right? But, when I try to look at the 2 feeds in a side-by-side comparison they look a little off. I look at say how much of his desk you can see in the SD (letterbox) picture as compared to how much you can see of it in the HD feed (using the same camera angle). Or how much space there is from the top of his head to the top of the picture on both feeds.
It looks like to me (again maybe all in my head) that they've cut a little bit off the top & bottom for the HD feed, like the picture is zoomed in a little. At first I thought it was compression from Charter/Suddenlink, but it looks the same when I view it OTA. Then I thought it was the NBC affiliate in P-burg (that's multi-casting), but WSAZ looks the same.
Anybody following me here or am I just nuts?
And yes I like using parentheses.
Are you "Zooming" the SD feed so that it fills your 16:9 TV? If so leave it at 4:3 (so you have black bars on the top and bottom). Does it still look different?

Are you "Zooming" the SD feed so that it fills your 16:9 TV? If so leave it at 4:3 (so you have black bars on the top and bottom). Does it still look different?

No, I'm leaving the SD feed at the regular ratio. So there's black bars at the top & bottom due to the letterbox format and black bars on the side because it's an SD feed on my 16x9 TV.
This might be my problem because I expect the picture size & ratio that I see on the SD feed to be the same size & ratio on the HD feed, but the HD feed to take up the full screen.
Isn't that what it should be?

No, I'm leaving the SD feed at the regular ratio. So there's black bars at the top & bottom due to the letterbox format and black bars on the side because it's an SD feed on my 16x9 TV.
This might be my problem because I expect the picture size & ratio that I see on the SD feed to be the same size & ratio on the HD feed, but the HD feed to take up the full screen.
Isn't that what it should be?
I thought maybe your ZOOM mode was cropping the picture. But that's obviously not it. I'll try to remember to record it on the NY NBC station in both HD and SD and see if I notice any difference.

I live in Kanawha City and I have a Terk indoor antenna. It works very well. I get WCHS, WSAZ,WVAH and WOWK All the Pax stations. But I'm looking at getting an outdoor antenna for more channels and wanted to know what is the best one I could get. Can anybody help me out? Any suggestions?

I live in Kanawha City and I have a Terk indoor antenna. It works very well. I get WCHS, WSAZ,WVAH and WOWK All the Pax stations. But I'm looking at getting an outdoor antenna for more channels and wanted to know what is the best one I could get. Can anybody help me out? Any suggestions?

I don't know how you could do much better than that, but the Channel master UHF 4228 seems to be the antenna of choice. I have one, but I still have trouble with channel 3.

I live in Kanawha City and I have a Terk indoor antenna. It works very well. I get WCHS, WSAZ,WVAH and WOWK All the Pax stations. But I'm looking at getting an outdoor antenna for more channels and wanted to know what is the best one I could get. Can anybody help me out? Any suggestions?


What other channels are you after? I think the only other one around is PBS.

Well PBS and possible WHCP, but I hear their digital signal is very weak. Maybe even Beckley/Bluefield stations if possible. My indoor antenna is good, but I just want a stronger signal. Would you guys reccomend a preamp of some sort?

But I'm also thinking about ditching Charter/Suddenlink and going to Dish Network. It's selection of HD channels looks really cool and they have a great deal right now --10 months for $50.00. Does anybody recommend this? Is Dish worth switching over? I already get the locals OTA anyways.

It's selection of HD channels looks really cool..... Does anybody recommend this? Is Dish worth switching over? I already get the locals OTA anyways.
Many of the channels (11) are from the old Voom. Some people don't think they are worth much while others really enjoy them.

Here is where DISH (E*) is vs. DirecTV (D*).

E* currently has more HD channels.
D* will have more capacity to offer even more HD channels by mid-2007. D* is claiming the capacity to offer 150 national HD channels when the new sats go up next year.
D* plans to offer the locals in HD via satellite. Not a big issue for you since you get them OTA.
D* will offer the RSN's in HD when your HD locals go up.
D* currently has a better HD DVR then E*, however D*'s current HD DVR won''t record HD LIL off satellite. D* has a new DVR coming out soon that will be able to, but if it is as big a POS as the SD version, then E* will have a better HD DVR.

Anything I missed?

I recently switched from DirecTV to DishNetwork. From my perspective all the "cable" type channels look better on DishNetwork even the SD and Voom channels. The one exception seems to be Starz HD but I don't know if thats because most stuff on Starz is just up converts or because of Mpeg4. I only have Starz now because its included for 3 months for new subscribers.

As for the equipment there is no getting around that Dish Network DVRs are a bit difficult to use at first but for me I can live with those annoyances in exchange for a better picture. I can say that the OTA Tuner on the Dish 622 is better then the HD Tivo. One thing I like about the Dish 622 when you tune to a OTA station it tells you the signal strength you don't have to go to the setup menu like on HD Tivo to find out.

For those interested here are two sites with bitrates for DirecTV and Dish Network HD respectively

http://www.widemovies.com/dfwbitrate.html
http://www.satelliteguys.us/bfg/dish-hd.htm

Should I order DISH or DirectTV over the internet or deal with a local dealer?

I would go for local Dish or DirecTV retailer if you think there might be some unusual problem getting installed or want them to do some extra work at the same time. If you know everything will work out it might be easier to deal with the main companies directly.

I went with local retailer because I needed to get another type of system installed at same time and was able to work out the details beforehand.

If you do decide to go with Dish Network could PM me first? I can send a code that would get you a $50 credit off your first bill.

thanks

But I'm also thinking about ditching Charter/Suddenlink and going to Dish Network. It's selection of HD channels looks really cool and they have a great deal right now --10 months for $50.00. Does anybody recommend this? Is Dish worth switching over? I already get the locals OTA anyways.

I switched from Charter before I got my HD television because I didn't feel like I was getting my money's worth from them, so I don't know what they offer in HD. The Dish package is pretty nice though, plenty of movie channels, boxing and Sopranos in HD, TNT for NASCAR, ESPN, PPV, etc. VOOM only has a couple of channels that I watch regularly but it has a few that are really good for showing off what your televison can do in HD.

As for now, I probably will stay with Charter/Suddenlink unless the situation gets too expensive. I checked into both Dish and DirecTV and either one would cost me more for the TV's and DVR that we use with HD capability. The question I have now is that with antennaweb.org only showing me with being able to receive 3 channels OTA, is the PQ really worth putting up an antenna?

As for now, I probably will stay with Charter/Suddenlink unless the situation gets too expensive. I checked into both Dish and DirecTV and either one would cost me more for the TV's and DVR that we use with HD capability. The question I have now is that with antennaweb.org only showing me with being able to receive 3 channels OTA, is the PQ really worth putting up an antenna?

Depends on where your home is located. Is it obstructed by trees, hills, other homes in regard to the station antenna? An outdoor antenna with a rotor, and maybe a preamp should get you channel 8 and 11, and most likely 3 and 13 in HD.

Which three channels are you talking about, are they the major networks?

How important are receiving those stations in HD? I watched most of the major bowls, including West Virginia's defeat of Georgia in the Sugar Bowl in HD. I loved it.

Just checked antenna web, and channels 3 and 13 with respect to 8 and 11 are only a few compass degrees apart from your location, so you would most likely not need a rotor. Maybe just a Channel Master UHF antenna such as the 4228, and maybe an indoor preamp like I have.

The question I have now is that with antennaweb.org only showing me with being able to receive 3 channels OTA, is the PQ really worth putting up an antenna?

Yes, without a doubt IMO especially if you're a big sports fan. I find myself sitting home on some Sundays wastching the NASCAR race because I can't watch it on tape anymore after seeing it in HD.

Many thanks to you. AntennaWeb shows my reception to be WLPX, WVAH, and WCHS. I am 1 block south of Rt. 60 right along the Kanawha River with a hill to the right and to the left as I face west. I think I'm going to try the best Channelmaster on the roof unless anyone has a better idea. Where is the best place to get the antenna? Once again, thanks for all your help.

This is where I got my antenna. Sounds like you may have a straight shot down the Kanawha towards the towers.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=ANC4228

Thanks. We're going to give it a shot as soon as I can get everything together and a day off too. We'll see what happens.

Many thanks to you. AntennaWeb shows my reception to be WLPX, WVAH, and WCHS. I am 1 block south of Rt. 60 right along the Kanawha River with a hill to the right and to the left as I face west. I think I'm going to try the best Channelmaster on the roof unless anyone has a better idea. Where is the best place to get the antenna? Once again, thanks for all your help.

Lowe's carries a lesser model Channelmaster they keep in stock, that's what I'm using along with a pre-amp. I'm sure they would take it back if you weren't satisfied with it.

Watching the British Open in HD as we speak.

Lowe's carries a lesser model Channelmaster they keep in stock, that's what I'm using along with a pre-amp. I'm sure they would take it back if you weren't satisfied with it.

Watching the British Open in HD as we speak.

That is a good suggestion, and Lowe's also carry's several mast, RG6 cable, etc.

Yeah, I was watching the British Open on ESPN HD, and switched over to local OTA broadcast on channel 8. Was surprised to find it being broadcast in HD.... :D

Problems with Suddenlink
When the deal with Suddenlink Communications purchasing cable systems from Charter Communications came to a close on July 1st. Sinclair is wanting a $40 million on time fee and $1 per subscriber per month from Suddenlink for rights to carry WCHS and WVAH on local cable systems.[1] The channels have been pulled from the Becky area by Sinclair and subscribers in that area are reciving ABC programming from that local affiliate and are recieving Fox programming through Foxnet.[2] The FCC ruled that the stations could not be pulled during a major sweeps period and must remain on all Suddenlink cable systems until July 26.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WVAH-TV

Well that sucks...

Let's just keep the bad news coming, eh?

DirecTV HD DVR - *DELAYED AGAIN*
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6355813.html?display=Breaking News

yikes...

Not sure if anyone would be interested in this, but stopped in the B'ville BestBuy and saw two Open Box HD recorders on clearance at what seemed to be a good price.

Sony DHG-HDD250 30hour HD recorders Yellow tagged at $499.99, but there was a sign on the table to take 50% off the price marked, bringing it down to $250.

Older technology, but from what I understand will record 30hrs HD, or 200hrs Standard.

May be worth checking into for somebody on the list...

Wow so tomorrow is the day for expected action or no action with the loss of WVAH and WCHS to everyone in the area. Once they are off the air, you won't be able to get through to either station via telephone because the lines will be jammed with complaints. I hope both stations have briefed their receptionists. I feel sorry for them come Wednesday or Thursday. They are going to hear a lot of four letter words.

Hey Moobear47, you may want to try a little indoor amplified antenna from Wal Mart first. Point the UHF receiver in the direction of the towers and you might be surprised. You can take it back if it does not work. This is what I am using but I have elevation on my side; however I am located in Fairplain which is about 35 miles north on I77.

If I hafta miss "Windfall" I admit, I'll be a mad cookie.

Wow so tomorrow is the day for expected action or no action with the loss of WVAH and WCHS to everyone in the area. Once they are off the air, you won't be able to get through to either station via telephone because the lines will be jammed with complaints. I hope both stations have briefed their receptionists. I feel sorry for them come Wednesday or Thursday. They are going to hear a lot of four letter words.

Hey Moobear47, you may want to try a little indoor amplified antenna from Wal Mart first. Point the UHF receiver in the direction of the towers and you might be surprised. You can take it back if it does not work. This is what I am using but I have elevation on my side; however I am located in Fairplain which is about 35 miles north on I77.

If WVAH AND WCHS get pulled, it may be the best thing for moving forward on the HDTV issue. I am guessing the in the new contract they are negotiating HDTV. If it all comes to a head, we may get those stations on cable soon!

If WVAH AND WCHS get pulled, it may be the best thing for moving forward on the HDTV issue. I am guessing the in the new contract they are negotiating HDTV. If it all comes to a head, we may get those stations on cable soon!

Cebridge is in my area (Sissonville), but they don't offer HD. Would be nice if the purchase of charter, and the Sinclair issue (once a realistic contract is reached) would move Cebridge to carry the HD networks. I'd drop D*.

Tony, do ever have a problem with rain fade? I have the HD H20 receiver, and have experienced rain fade about a half dozen times since signing up in May. I have read that reading in the mid 70's to low 80's is normal for the signal strength for the H20.

I had rain fade this past Sunday evening(I believe it was Sunday) when a small patch of rain on the radar came down in a moderate to heavy amount. It lasted for about 10 minutes.

I talked to a rep yesterday, she basically said that if there is an injunction, that Suddenlink will pipe in Parkersburg ABC and FOX stations to their subscribers in WVAH/WCHS viewing area.

I was told that if they do lose the stations, that I should just get some rabbit ears for my TV, considering how much I pay a month I wasn't too pleased to hear such a crappy response.

Also, they said that there are no plans to add any additional HD channels for several months, but eventually they will be offering "faster internet" in the next few months. Tried to get an answer about the loss in PQ on some HD channels, that some have been complaining about in here. She basically gave me a bs answer and said that there "is no way" this would ever be done by a provider.

All I know is that, when D* or E* or whoever goes to MPEG-4, I'll be throwing my cable box out the window.

SuddenLink Situation:

WCHS radio reported this afternoon that Sinclair and SuddenLink have reached a temporary agreement to keep WCHS and WVAH on the system until Aug 7. Hopefully by then they can reach a new agreement that would include the HD stations. It would be nice to have WPBY as well when the begin transmitting in HD.

Hello all, I just wanted to report that I am using the TERK TV55 antenna indoors in the 4600 block riverside of Kanawha City. I pick up ABC and FOX clear and the signal is strong. I am unable to get a bite on CBS or NBC .. but am using Charter/Sudden Link for those. I really really hope sudden link can get the HD to me through the box for ABC/FOX.

Tony, do ever have a problem with rain fade? I have the HD H20 receiver, and have experienced rain fade about a half dozen times since signing up in May. I have read that reading in the mid 70's to low 80's is normal for the signal strength for the H20.

I had rain fade this past Sunday evening(I believe it was Sunday) when a small patch of rain on the radar came down in a moderate to heavy amount. It lasted for about 10 minutes.


I have the older Zenith SAT-520 HD receiver. I didn't use to have much trouble with Rain Fade, but I think my trees in the back yard are fuller this year, so my signal has dropped from a year ago. Since it dropped some, when we have heavy rain clouds, I have problems. I need to remove some trees.

Hello all,

New subscriber here with just some very general questions for you gurus out there. I live in South Hills, in Charleston, & am considering getting a satellite provider for my TV. I use VZ for my broadband, & loathe our local cable service (and have for 15 years). My hopes of a good cable provider has been crushed again & again, & now it seems I am paying for an unreliable On Demand service, & generally bad service.

Yesterday I woke up & was leaving for work & I noticed my cable was turned off. I was puzzled because our bills are automatically deducted, & we had just talked to the CS dept the prior week to make sure our payments were still goping thru with the change of owners... I was reassured it was... then they cut off my cable. /grumble We got the issue resolved, but it was the straw that broke the camels back.

Sooo, I am looking at my options. I have looked at some packages & options available, & it appears that Satellite is cheaper than cable anyhow. I am not interested in HDTV, I have just regular crappy TV's (I am still waging the "lets buy a good tv" war with the spouse.) I was wondering what would give me the best bang for my buck. I dont want to have to hang antennas, or anything like that. I just want a couple of DVRs (for the living room & kids room) and 4 of the regular recievers (kids room, rec room, living room, bedroom). Local channels are a must for me to pass this plan with the boss. Are there any local vendors that I should go see for this?? Is Dish Network better than Direct TV??? I really appreciate any advice/help you guys can serve up. I dont want to plan this big switch just to be unhappy with it!

Welcome travdawg,

You ask some great questions, and a few, you may get various answers. As far as Sat being cheaper than Cable, well, that depends. By the time you add the HD Package, pay the $5 extra a month for each additional receiver (above 1), the cost can really add up. Based on what you are looking for, that is $25 extra a month just to have six receivers.

Which is better? Dish is better than D* and D* is better than Dish Network. LOL. Dish Network offers more HD channels, but mainly because they include the old VOOM channels (which may or may not be your taste. They are not my taste). So, in reality, content wise, they are both about equal. The Plus side of Directv= D* vs. Dish Network = E* is that by next year, you will be able to receive the Locals in HD. Currently, both D* and E* offer Locals in Standard Definition, and if able to gain a waiver, you can get networks in HD out of NYC, but you probably won't qualify. Since you live in South Hills, you can always try a small Indoor Powered Antenna from walmar, or buy a bigger antenna and mount in the attic. I live in Sissonville, and am able to pick up all but CBS in HD with a little $20 Indoor Antenna. Another gentleman on the forum lives in Fairplane and can pick up the same with a small indoor antenna.

The Locals (Standard Definition) appear to look a little better on D* than E*, or so people have said here. D* has been promising for a while about a Server so you can DVR your stuff and watch that from any room in the house. That will eventually eliminate the need for several DVRs. Going by talk, I'd go with D* just because they are adding more sats in the sky for more services. Whether it will be Quantity or Quality is anyone's guess right now. There is some talk on these boards about a possible Echostar (Dish)/DirecTV merger. I doubt it will happen, but could.



Hello all,

New subscriber here with just some very general questions for you gurus out there. I live in South Hills, in Charleston, & am considering getting a satellite provider for my TV. I use VZ for my broadband, & loathe our local cable service (and have for 15 years). My hopes of a good cable provider has been crushed again & again, & now it seems I am paying for an unreliable On Demand service, & generally bad service.

Yesterday I woke up & was leaving for work & I noticed my cable was turned off. I was puzzled because our bills are automatically deducted, & we had just talked to the CS dept the prior week to make sure our payments were still goping thru with the change of owners... I was reassured it was... then they cut off my cable. /grumble We got the issue resolved, but it was the straw that broke the camels back.

Sooo, I am looking at my options. I have looked at some packages & options available, & it appears that Satellite is cheaper than cable anyhow. I am not interested in HDTV, I have just regular crappy TV's (I am still waging the "lets buy a good tv" war with the spouse.) I was wondering what would give me the best bang for my buck. I dont want to have to hang antennas, or anything like that. I just want a couple of DVRs (for the living room & kids room) and 4 of the regular recievers (kids room, rec room, living room, bedroom). Local channels are a must for me to pass this plan with the boss. Are there any local vendors that I should go see for this?? Is Dish Network better than Direct TV??? I really appreciate any advice/help you guys can serve up. I dont want to plan this big switch just to be unhappy with it!

My first question would be do you have access to the satellites? I have some friends in South Hills and they couldn't get a view of the southern sky if their life depended on it.

As for which is better, as Tony said, D*'s locals look much better than E*'s unless E* has taken steps recently to fix theirs. E* does have a DVR that can be used in 2 rooms and has a 1-wire solution for its 2-tuner DVR. You would need 2 wires for D*'s dual tuner DVR.

As for which DVR is better, until last year the answer was hands down D*. Then D* went with an in-house developed DVR and it is nowhere near as good as the TiVo based one it replaced. If you go with D*, you can find TiVo based ones on ebay.

Although you are not in the market for HD yet, any new TV you buy will most likely be HD. And as Tony said, D* will be able to provide the locals in HD sometime in 2007 plus they have the capacity for almost all other national HD channels. And let me warn you, once you start watching HD, you don't want to go back. ;)

And welcome to the forum.

Thanks much for the responses guys!

I think I do have a clear shot to the sat's, but I am not positive. I cant get up on my roof to check. Are there dealers that will come check that to be sure, before I sign up??? Do these guys install the systems for you?? I am really in the dark on the topic, all I could find were places to signup, nothing detailing any installation, or the like. My neighbor ran a line & conduit up the bank behind his house put his dish on a post, & said I could use it as well if I decided to get satellite. I am not sure I would need that though, since my house is a 2 story home, & his is only one....

Dish is constantly running their special that includes free installation and 3 months of free HBO, etc. You can do 4 rooms with 2 receivers and save on the extra fees. I also ran a coax off of one of my receivers down into the basement and use an infrared extender to change the channels so I have 5 TV's hooked up with only 2 receivers.

Although you are not in the market for HD yet, any new TV you buy will most likely be HD. And as Tony said, D* will be able to provide the locals in HD sometime in 2007 plus they have the capacity for almost all other national HD channels. And let me warn you, once you start watching HD, you don't want to go back. ;)

And welcome to the forum.

I strongly agree herdfan. Travdawg, you will want High Definition, it makes the viewing experience so much greater.

You all have probably seen the newspaper articles about the retransmission negotiations between Suddenlink and Sinclair Broadcasting. After making some inquiries, it turns out that the negotiations include the high definition signals. So, if the deal gets done (big if), we will have all the network stations in HD on cable.

Yes, that will be a very nice addition to Suddenlink, to have all the locals in HD, but you have to wonder, as I have expressed in the past in this forums, how is Suddenlink(Cable) going to be able to offer more future HD expansion. They are going to be limited by their bandwidth to offer a great deal of National HD channels. I would like to know what their future plans are, but they don't even have a decent website at this time.

I really would like to know how they are going to be able to keep up with other technologies and offer more HD programming, and they seem to be tight lipped about information on this subject. As an HD TV owner, I know its is very important to me. Yes, right now they are faring decent with the DirectTV and Dishnetwork, but those technologies have much better options and plans for future expansion.

Will Suddenlink be able to offer the same in a small market like Charleston??? Or are they spitting into the wind?

Does anyone have anymore info than I have on this matter?

right now they are faring decent with the DirectTV and Dishnetwork, but those technologies have much better options and plans for future expansion.

Does anyone have anymore info than I have on this matter?
The satellite providers will most likely have more bandwidth in the future than the cablecos. DirecTV has already announced its capacity once the next two Ka satellites go up. They are stating that they will have the ability to carry 1500 local HD channels and 150 national HD channels. Now just becasue they have the capacity to carry 150 nationals doesn't mean they will. There won't be 150 national HD channels by the end of 2007 anyway.

DISH is doing everything it can to out do D* from putting channels on satellites outside traditional DBS slots. While using the wing slots at 62.5 and 148 gives them more capacity than D* right now, it is not efficient as a channel has to be carried on both slots since the west coast can't get 62.5 and the east coast can't get 148. So DISH is trying and once they convert everything over to MPEG-4 they should free up some more capacity. Even though they will trail D*, they should stay ahead of the local cablecos.

Now keep in mind that satellites can have issues. D* could have problems launching new its new birds or E* could have another, yes another, satellite die in space.

But right now, satellite seems the way to go for the most HD channels in the future.

Yes, that will be a very nice addition to Suddenlink, to have all the locals in HD, but you have to wonder, as I have expressed in the past in this forums, how is Suddenlink(Cable) going to be able to offer more future HD expansion. They are going to be limited by their bandwidth to offer a great deal of National HD channels. I would like to know what their future plans are, but they don't even have a decent website at this time.

I really would like to know how they are going to be able to keep up with other technologies and offer more HD programming, and they seem to be tight lipped about information on this subject. As an HD TV owner, I know its is very important to me. Yes, right now they are faring decent with the DirectTV and Dishnetwork, but those technologies have much better options and plans for future expansion.

Will Suddenlink be able to offer the same in a small market like Charleston??? Or are they spitting into the wind?

Does anyone have anymore info than I have on this matter?

Of course those are good questions. But keep in mind that cable requires no contract or equiptment investments. For right now, unless you are OTA, cable is the only way to get the broadcast stations in HD. And given that hd is still only a niche market, I seriously doubt Suddenlink has any definitive plans for expanding bandwith for 10s or 100s of hd stations.

Of course those are good questions. But keep in mind that cable requires no contract or equiptment investments. For right now, unless you are OTA, cable is the only way to get the broadcast stations in HD. And given that hd is still only a niche market, I seriously doubt Suddenlink has any definitive plans for expanding bandwith for 10s or 100s of hd stations.


Sad thing is, I think it's a niche market in places like this State only. I went to my Sister in Law's house a couple weekends ago in Kentucky and they just purchased an HD TV. Their cable company has all the locals in HD as well as many of what I have on D*. It's WV. We are just behind times with any new technology.

It was recently announced that the Marshall vs WVU game will be carried on WCHS (and other WV affiliates), but it's via ESPN regional television. I'm guessing that means the game won't even be available in HD. Unless they've changed something this year I don't think any of the ESPN regional stuff is HD. If so this means that unless it's a nationally televised game, we won't see much WVU in HD this year.

Update: I already got a response from WCHS (quick turnaround). This game will not be in HD. BOOOO HISSSS BOOOO

If so this means that unless it's a nationally televised game, we won't see much WVU in HD this year.

But as I am looking at WVU's schedule, it looks to me like there will be more than just a few of WVU games available in HD. I will look, but not only will ESPN games be in HD, but also ESPN2.

Here it is: WVU football schedule

TIME DATE OPPONENT TV EVENT SCORE
3:30 p.m. Sat 9/2 MARSHALL ESPN Regional
1:00 p.m. Sat 9/9 Eastern Washington
7:30 p.m. Thu 9/14 MARYLAND ESPN
TBA Sat 9/23 at East Carolina ESPN2
2:30 p.m. Sat 10/7 at Mississippi State ESPN2^
12:00 p.m. Sat 10/14 SYRACUSE ESPN Regional
8:00 p.m. Fri 10/20 at Connecticut ESPN
7:30 p.m. Thu 11/2 at Louisville ESPN
12:00 p.m. Sat 11/11 CINCINNATI ESPN Regional
7:30 p.m. Thu 11/16 at Pitt ESPN
12:00 p.m. Sat 11/25 SOUTH FLORIDA ESPN Regional
TBA Sat 12/2 RUTGERS ESPN2


* Scheduled to be televised on one of the ESPN networks

+ All Times Eastern

^ tentative

I believe that Maryland, Connecticut, Louisville, and Pitt have already been scheduled as National telecast, and most likely some of the ESPN2 games will be in HD. Yes, the ESPN Regional will most likely be in SD.

Not sure though, but that looks very promising for WVU.

This may be a better look at the WVU schedule, it is a link(don't know why I didn't do this in my previous post)...... :D

http://westvirginia.scout.com/3/fbschedule.html

1:00 p.m. Sat 9/9 Eastern Washington

7:30 p.m. Thu 9/14 MARYLAND ESPN
7:30 p.m. Thu 11/2 at Louisville ESPN
7:30 p.m. Thu 11/16 at Pitt ESPN


Eastern Washington is a 1-AA team. Please.

As for the 3 Thursday night ESPN contests, there is going to be some bitching and cheering. If you haven't heard, ESPN is planning to broadcast its Thursday night games in 16x9 format.

This means people with 4:3 TV's are going to have black bars on top and bottom.

But it also means those of us with HDTV's will have the broadcast tailored to us. The camera operators will use the entire field of vision and the graphics will actually be in the top left corner and not floating in the middle of the screen.

Eastern Washington...... Yeah.....haha! But its not going to be shown.

And Hofstra is??? :D

Will all the college footbal games on the ESPN networks be in HD this year? Last year only a handful were in HD on ESPN 2 and even some of the day games on ESPN were in SD. All the primetime games were in HD I believe. I hope they're stepping up their HD production this year. If so, it might actually warrant the need for ESPN2 HD.

You'd think with a tough schedule like that, more games would be nationally televised :rolleyes:

Will all the college footbal games on the ESPN networks be in HD this year? Last year only a handful were in HD on ESPN 2 and even some of the day games on ESPN were in SD. All the primetime games were in HD I believe. I hope they're stepping up their HD production this year. If so, it might actually warrant the need for ESPN2 HD.

Whether they will be shown on ESPN2 HD, or not will probably have to do with how succesful they are. If they lose early, especially more than one loss, then they probably will not be in HD, as a matter of fact, there are other tentative games scheduled. However, if WVU continues winning, then the amount of attention they will receive, and maybe more apt to be shown, and possibly in HD.

You'd think with a tough schedule like that, more games would be nationally televised :rolleyes:

The biggest thing they have going for them, is where they ended last year in the Polls (Number 5 in the country) and after all they beat the SEC Champs GEORGIA, in a league with LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. So it really doesn't matter about your schedule, only about where you finish.

Sucks that the WVU/Marshall game won't be in HD, but that's AWESOME (for me) that the ESPN HD broadcasts will be in 16x9. The score in the middle of the screen is a bit odd.

I just hope the Thursday night FSU @ NC State game is in 16x9; heck, I'll just be glad to see my Pack in HD! *tears that I won't be in Carter Finley* We just bowled in our stadium and I graduate too early to enjoy it...ah well, hopefully I'll make the after-Thanksgiving weekend game against ECU back in Raleigh :)

The biggest thing they have going for them, is where they ended last year in the Polls (Number 5 in the country) and after all they beat the SEC Champs GEORGIA, in a league with LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. So it really doesn't matter about your schedule, only about where you finish.


I'm a WVU fan, but I don't agree. If you play a weak schedule, you won't necessarily be ready for the big teams during the BCS. This is why WVU doesn't get the respect they deserve during season's they have a good team. One could chalk the WVU loss for Georgia up as a fluke (as you said, they are in a conference with LSU, FL, TN, etc.). If WVU can do it 2 years in a row, then I'll eat the words I just typed. If not, then let's chalk last year's win against GA as a fluke. I hope the best for the team, but I'm just saying they don't have a tough schedule and there are other teams that could argue they deserved to be there over WVU.

Yeah Tony, I am a WVU fan also, but I guess we better get this back on track again...... :D I really only wanted to comment on the hope and possibility of their games being broadcast in HD. The other was just extra....

Yeah, and I thought about this last night, and I don't want this thread to erupt into a Marshall/WVU slugfest :o . I am just happy to have fellow West Virginia people here in the forums so that we can relate to our experience with our local, national, and HD TV concerns.

Heck, I am chomping at the bits for any HD in this area, as I know most of us are, whether it be cable, satellite or phone lines. I have the HD bug, and love it, and seem to be very impatient waiting..... :)

Has a Marshall game ever been broadcast in HD?

I'm sure at least one of their bowl games were. Didn't they play Ohio State last year? That game was probably in HD.

Has a Marshall game ever been broadcast in HD?
Yes! Last year's Tuesday's night game against Southern Miss was in HD from MU Stadium. They lost 27-24 in what was the second worse coaching !@#$-up of the season. The K-State debacle being the first.

Marshall takes the ball on its own 1 with just under 2 minutes to play. They start ramming it down Southern Miss's thoat. The Josh Davis acrobatic catch was the ESPN Play of the Day. Anyway, they are just running almost at will and they get to the Southern Miss. 6 yard line with something like 29 seconds and a timeout.

Keep in mind they have just moved 93 yards in a minute and a half. Do they run a couple of plays and try to get a TD. !@## No. The run the clock down so they can miss a FG. Pure stupidity on the part of Snyder. :mad:

The Josh Davis acrobatic catch was the ESPN Play of the Day.


Wasn't that actually a Hiram Moore catch?

Wasn't that actually a Hiram Moore catch?
Yes, my bad. Typing faster than my brain was working. :o

Yes, my bad. Typing faster than my brain was working. :o


I went to the Kansas game and watched the WORST coaching screw up of all time. Coach blamed the QB, QB blamed the coach. Whatever.....the coach could have called a time out, so it was his fault. Just so you know, Snyder was hated at Ohio State.

I would just love to know why this state has the fascination of bringing home its own to coach. Marshall passed on 4 very good basketball coaches to hire Greg White. The reason the top 4 turned it down was the President at the time (Gilley) was tired of being a coaching stepping stone and put huge buyout clauses in the contracts. Well guess what, Marshall and even WVU to a lesser degree are going to be stepping stones to a bigger, better deal.

Yes, Pruett worked out pretty well, but he was much older and coming up on the end of his career. But I would rather have a new up and coming coach every 4-5 years as opposed to someone who wants to stay for 20+ years. Programs need new blood and coaching changes are sometimes needed. But look at Catlett. He was done severla years before he retired, but they couldn't get rid of him because he had been there so long.

There were better coaches available when Snyder was hired.

SuddenLink Situation:

WCHS radio reported this afternoon that Sinclair and SuddenLink have reached a temporary agreement to keep WCHS and WVAH on the system until Aug 7. Hopefully by then they can reach a new agreement that would include the HD stations. It would be nice to have WPBY as well when the begin transmitting in HD.

Has anyone heard anything about them reaching a new agreement? I haven't seen anything in the paper.

Has anyone heard anything about them reaching a new agreement? I haven't seen anything in the paper.

Haven't heard anything, but I see that wchstv.com and wvah.com have taken their announcements about Suddenlink off their frontpage. My guess is that the deal is near done. I heard from Suddenlink that once the agreement is signed, FOXHD and ABC-HD will be on cable within 48 hours.

BTW - lsdean, are you a soccer player in the Kan. Cty area?

Does Charter/Suddenlink have an HD DVR?

Does Charter/Suddenlink have an HD DVR?

A salesman once told me they did, but I have not confirmed that.

Does Charter/Suddenlink have an HD DVR?

Yes, they do...I have one.

Haven't heard anything, but I see that wchstv.com and wvah.com have taken their announcements about Suddenlink off their frontpage. My guess is that the deal is near done. I heard from Suddenlink that once the agreement is signed, FOXHD and ABC-HD will be on cable within 48 hours.

BTW - lsdean, are you a soccer player in the Kan. Cty area?

Soccer player, yes. We just bought a house in Fort Hill.

Soccer player, yes. We just bought a house in Fort Hill.

Great; I don't live too far away since I am over by Weberwood Elem.

The identity of TarHeel32 is the person who scored a few goals during the finals of the 2006 YMCA Indoor Soccer League Championships. Hope you got your "Back to Back" t-shirt!

Too funny. And yes I got my t-shirt.

FOXHD & ABCHD would be so freaking great on Suddenlink/Charter.

Does Charter/Suddenlink have an HD DVR?
Herdfan,
Charter/suddenlink uses the SA 8300HD DVR. It has a 160 GB hard drive, and you can add an external hard drive through the eSATA port. I added a 320 GB in an external case to mine. It works great.

I would be happy to give anyone in the St. Albans area a demo.

August 7 came and went, but the WVAH-DT and WCHS-DT are not on Suddenlink. Hope they are up by tonight so we can see the Colts/Rams game in HD on Fox.

What did you guys thinks of FOX's broadcast? I liked the really small graphics at the top of the screen, but I bet they'll get complaints that people have a hard time reading them. On the flip side the graphics they put on the field were way too big, but they're not on there all the time. I prefer less graphics, let me see as much of the screen as possible.

I liked the really small graphics at the top of the screen, but I bet they'll get complaints that people have a hard time reading them...... let me see as much of the screen as possible.
Did you see NBC's effort? Those graphics were horrible.

On a side note, in keeping with their standard of pi** poor reporting, the Saturday Gazette had a story about Suddenlink/Sinclair deal and made not one mention about the HD feeds. :(

On a side note, in keeping with their standard of pi** poor reporting, the Saturday Gazette had a story about Suddenlink/Sinclair deal and made not one mention about the HD feeds. :(

I was disappointed in that too....I hope it was because the reporter didn't know to ask about HD. I just emailed Matthew Thompson...the Daily Mail TV reporter...hopefully he will know something.

I was disappointed in that too....I hope it was because the reporter didn't know to ask about HD.

http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2006081139

The newspaper did not focus on the HD part of the deal. But I was assured that the HD feeds would be up within 48 hours of the deal.

I hope it was because the reporter didn't know to ask about HD.
That is the problem. The reporters just write the story and don't do any research.

That is the problem. The reporters just write the story and don't do any research.

Actually I don't think that they care.

As for when we get the HD channels, I am guessing they will have to have their legal departments finalize the documents, which could be a few weeks. That's how it worked with WSAZ anyway. Hopefully we will get the stations on before football starts.

Not really "Local", but still interesting.

Verizon launched it's Home Media DVR for it's FIOS service. Released on 8/11 in MA and on 8/16 will be launched in Maryland and some other areas. It will allow you to record a program and watch it in any room of the house.

Something that D* has been looking to do for a while now. Thing is, that will be the closest we can get I guess.

i recently moved to barboursville and i have an philips amplified indoor antenna that consists of rabbit ears. I have the unit sitting on top of the television and i can get 3 and 13 with some pixilation and if i move it i can get 11. Last nite i got the banner for 8. I also get 29 and 33 sometimes and I am thinking of putting a antenna in the attic of my second story of my house. What antenna should i get that is mult directional and with that what channels extra would i get.

I have emails out to Charter/Suddenlink and channel 8ABC and 11FOX local affiliates trying to get information about HD signals. I also called Charter/Suddenlink trying to get some information and the tech basically said "...I have no idea about that, send an email to blah blah blah .....".

I have emails out to Charter/Suddenlink and channel 8ABC and 11FOX local affiliates trying to get information about HD signals. I also called Charter/Suddenlink trying to get some information and the tech basically said "...I have no idea about that, send an email to blah blah blah .....".

The answer is that the signals will be up when Sinclair and Suddenlink's legal departments or outside counsel give their final approval to the retransmission agreement and that agreement is executed by the officers. It is hard to say when that will be. WSAZ's deal with Charter took a few weeks to get done.

Once the agreement is executed, Suddenlink will have the channels on within 48 hours.

i recently moved to barboursville and i have an philips amplified indoor antenna that consists of rabbit ears. I have the unit sitting on top of the television and i can get 3 and 13 with some pixilation and if i move it i can get 11. Last nite i got the banner for 8. I also get 29 and 33 sometimes and I am thinking of putting a antenna in the attic of my second story of my house. What antenna should i get that is mult directional and with that what channels extra would i get.

First of all, go here and plug in your zip code to determine the distance and direction that your home location is, with respect to the Channel broadcast towers. http://www.checkhd.com/aw/welcome.aspx

I do not know of any multidirectionsl uhf antenna, most seem to use a Channel Master UHF 4228 and these are for the most part directional. And depending upon the direction the broadcast antenna is from your home, you may need an antenna rotor to turn the antenna in the direction you need. You may or may not be able to receive all the channels that you want from an attic installation.

Hopefully others here in this forum may be of further help also.

The answer is that the signals will be up when Sinclair and Suddenlink's legal departments or outside counsel give their final approval to the retransmission agreement and that agreement is executed by the officers. It is hard to say when that will be. WSAZ's deal with Charter took a few weeks to get done.

Once the agreement is executed, Suddenlink will have the channels on within 48 hours.


You would think they (any of the above) would provide similar information. I'm not asking when the signals will be available, I'm just asking if the signals were included in the deal ... I can wait, if I know its even coming.

You would think they (any of the above) would provide similar information. I'm not asking when the signals will be available, I'm just asking if the signals were included in the deal ... I can wait, if I know its even coming.

I don't think any details of the agreement have been released. From reading the article in the Gazette (http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2006081139?pt=10) they're not even letting the chairman of the cable-tv commitee see the document yet, so it looks like they're not releasing any details at this time.

I just hope they get this worked out before football starts. 9/2 is the first Saturday of college football. The primetime game on ABC that day is Notre Dame @ Georgia Tech. That game will be in HD, but the WVU game @3:30 will not. :mad:
9/10 is the first Sunday of NFL football on FOX.

They just better get it worked out before then.

You would think they (any of the above) would provide similar information. I'm not asking when the signals will be available, I'm just asking if the signals were included in the deal ... I can wait, if I know its even coming.

Yes, Suddenlink told me that WCHS-DT and WVAH-DT are included in the agreement. That is a big part of the reason Sinclair was demanding high carriage fees.

Having just moved here from Pittsburgh, I am finding disappointing news. Seems Adelphia (cabelco here) doesn't have HD and I was told doesn't even have expanded basic above 74---can that really be true? Next it seems that because I am within broadcast range of local broadcast channels, I can't get HD on D* or E*. Problem is antennaweb.org says I would need a VERY long range directional antenna to get NBC, ABC and Fox HD channels. The local CBS in Huntington doesn't do HD I guess. There are covenant restrictions limiting outside antennas where I live so I suppose I would be limited to something in the attic making it even more difficult to get OA reception.

Is my research accurate?? Does anyone have any suggestions?

I don't think any details of the agreement have been released. From reading the article in the Gazette (http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2006081139?pt=10) they're not even letting the chairman of the cable-tv commitee see the document yet, so it looks like they're not releasing any details at this time.

I just hope they get this worked out before football starts. 9/2 is the first Saturday of college football. The primetime game on ABC that day is Notre Dame @ Georgia Tech. That game will be in HD, but the WVU game @3:30 will not. :mad:
9/10 is the first Sunday of NFL football on FOX.

They just better get it worked out before then.

The deal is done, they just need to draft the contract. Whether it will be done before Labor Day is probably a close call.

Yes, Suddenlink told me that WCHS-DT and WVAH-DT are included in the agreement. That is a big part of the reason Sinclair was demanding high carriage fees.

Would anyone happen to know if that covers the Beckley area as well? Or if there are any plans to add WSAZ-DT to the Beckley lineup? I know there is a separate forum for that market but no one's posted there in almost a year. Thanks.

Would anyone happen to know if that covers the Beckley area as well? Or if there are any plans to add WSAZ-DT to the Beckley lineup? I know there is a separate forum for that market but no one's posted there in almost a year. Thanks.

When I google Beckley & NBC I come up with WVVA as being your local NBC affiliate in Beckley/Bluefield right? Since there's already a local NBC affiliate, they're probably the only ones that you'll be able to get NBC HD on cable from.

Having just moved here from Pittsburgh, I am finding disappointing news. Seems Adelphia (cabelco here) doesn't have HD and I was told doesn't even have expanded basic above 74---can that really be true? Next it seems that because I am within broadcast range of local broadcast channels, I can't get HD on D* or E*. Problem is antennaweb.org says I would need a VERY long range directional antenna to get NBC, ABC and Fox HD channels. The local CBS in Huntington doesn't do HD I guess. There are covenant restrictions limiting outside antennas where I live so I suppose I would be limited to something in the attic making it even more difficult to get OA reception.

Is my research accurate?? Does anyone have any suggestions?

JKad,

I don't know about Adelphia, so I can't comment on the cable service. But I wouldn't think Winfield would be out of range for an OTA solution - even with an attic install. There's other folks here who know more about antennas, so maybe they can help you out with selecting one. Supposedly, DirecTV will be offering Charleston locals soon. The new HD-DVR that they offer isn't available yet, either... but hopefully it'll be out by the time the locals are in HD. That's what I'm waiting for. Until then, I'm stuck watching the Stillers in standard def :( You should seriously consider the OTA course, though. Not sure about the CBS HD in Huntington. I can't pick up WOWK OTA from where I am. I know that they do offer a digital signal (13-1), but not sure what format it is in (HD?).

Jeff

Problem is antennaweb.org says I would need a VERY long range directional antenna to get NBC, ABC and Fox HD channels. The local CBS in Huntington doesn't do HD I guess.

There are covenant restrictions limiting outside antennas where I live so I suppose I would be limited to something in the attic making it even more difficult to get OA reception.
First, welcome to the area. I live just south of Winfield off of Rt. 34. I get all 4 nets with no problem. The NBC/CBS towers are to your west about 16 miles and the ABC/FOX tower is about 8 miles south. So you should be able to get reception. Our CBS affiliate went HD last March.

Correct, Adelphia does not offer HD in this area. That may change with the sale, but probably not anytime soon.

As for the covenant restrictions on antennas, well they are not legal. The FCC gives every homeowner the right to install antennas and DBS dishes to receive programming. These FCC regulations trump covenants and zoning ordinances.
See here: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Now whether or not you want to get into a fight with your new neighbors is up to you, but you have the right to install an antenna and there is nothing they can do about it.

However, I have a Channel Master 4228 w/amp installed in my attic. I modified it slightly by removing one of the screens, and like I said, I get all 4 nets with no problem. So there may be a solution if you don't want to fight your neighbors. But I will take HD over my neighbors anyday. ;)

Where in Winfield are you?

JKad,

Supposedly, DirecTV will be offering Charleston locals soon. The new HD-DVR that they offer isn't available yet, either... but hopefully it'll be out by the time the locals are in HD. That's what I'm waiting for. Jeff

I read on another board that the new DirecTV HD DVR was released for folks in LA today.

http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=112

I received confirmation tonight that these stations will be on Suddenlink by the start of the NFL season.

Do you live on the river in Dockside estates?

just checking to see if I know you.

Never mind thats US 35....

No. I live down 34, not 35. About 1/2 mile N of the interstate.

I received confirmation tonight that these stations will be on Suddenlink by the start of the NFL season.


Fantastic...that also means Lost, Prison Break, 24, and the World Series in HD.

However, I have a Channel Master 4228 w/amp installed in my attic. I modified it slightly by removing one of the screens, and like I said, I get all 4 nets with no problem. So there may be a solution if you don't want to fight your neighbors. But I will take HD over my neighbors anyday. ;)

Where in Winfield are you?

I live between the river and 35 south of town center just a few miles. I understood that the federal regulations trumped local ordinances but wasn't sure about deed restrictions. Nevertheless, it would be a problem installing an antenna on my roof and I would prefer to avoid any issues that might cause.
Thanks for your feedback on your success using an antenna. I'll look up that model. Do you use some directional pointing rotator?

JKad,

I don't know about Adelphia, so I can't comment on the cable service. But I wouldn't think Winfield would be out of range for an OTA solution - even with an attic install. There's other folks here who know more about antennas, so maybe they can help you out with selecting one. Supposedly, DirecTV will be offering Charleston locals soon. The new HD-DVR that they offer isn't available yet, either... but hopefully it'll be out by the time the locals are in HD. That's what I'm waiting for. Until then, I'm stuck watching the Stillers in standard def :( You should seriously consider the OTA course, though. Not sure about the CBS HD in Huntington. I can't pick up WOWK OTA from where I am. I know that they do offer a digital signal (13-1), but not sure what format it is in (HD?).

Jeff

When I ask neighbors about YD, I get a blank look. It's like, why would you want that? Obviously, we know why. Anyway I didn't want to invest in an antenna and rotator just to find out I couldn't get anything anyway. Looking for antenna installers (who could check for signal) in the yellow pages didn't work. So I am trying to find more people in my area and hear their experiences before I take the plunge.
Has D* said what "soon" means? That could make a difference in my near term decision.

I received confirmation tonight that these stations will be on Suddenlink by the start of the NFL season.

Man, was your source legit? I so hope this is true!

Has D* said what "soon" means? That could make a difference in my near term decision.
D* will have approximately 60 markets up in HD by years end. We live in the #64 market, however, D* is not going by market # as they are lighting up several markets smaller than ours this year.

My best guess is 1Q 2007, but worst case 3Q 2007.

As for the antenna, if you look at a picture of it, there are 2 sides. I have removed the screen from one side, but it is in a fixed position. I have a DirecTV HD DVR, so I can't use a rotor otherwise it may be in the wrong position when the recorder goes to record something.

The Channel Master 4228 is the big daddy, but there is also the 4221 which is basically the same antenna, just half the size. Another antenna to consider is the Terrestrial Digital line of the DB2, DB4 and DB8. They are almost clones of the Channel Masters.

And then there is the Bat Wing. It is made by Winegard and mounts in conjunction with a DBS dish. It is the standard antenna that D* provides on installs.

Another antenna by Winegard is the Square Shooter. Don't know of anyone around here that has tried one, but you could mount outside and it would hardly be noticed.

Myself and others here have gotten our antennas from here: http://www.solidsignal.com/

If your HDTV has a tuner, I have a DB4 that is replacing my dad's Bat Wing as soon as I get to it. (It had better be before football season :D ) It is just sitting here, so we could string some coax to it and see if you get signal in your yard.

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If your HDTV has a tuner, I have a DB4 that is replacing my dad's Bat Wing as soon as I get to it. (It had better be before football season :D ) It is just sitting here, so we could string some coax to it and see if you get signal in your yard.

I left a private message for you. Hope to talk to you soon.
Thanks again,
JKad

I don't mean to gloat, but I got home today and much to my surprise saw that Suddenlink launched FOX HD in Parkersburg today. It's the new FOX channel that our local NBC (WTAP) affiliate started multi-casting about 6 months ago. What's interesting though is that because it's a secondary channel, the HD feed of FOX Parkersburg isn't even available OTA. I wish I could comment on the picture quality, but there isn't anything in HD on FOX tonight. Stupid, "So you think you can dance." I'll definitely be watching the game tomorrow night though.
So, I'm just waiting on ABC HD now....and I'd like to have the HD Net channels also.

Man, was your source legit? I so hope this is true!

Yes, the last 12 months I have been emailing with a great guy at Charter/Suddenlink who has given me the scoop. He even called me personally when WOWK-DT and WSAZ-DT went live so I could tell him how it looked.

I don't know the details, but he said that WVAH-DT/WCHS-DT could have been put onto Suddenlink quickly, but that Suddenlink needed to order some parts. So, it will probably be up in the next 2-3 weeks.

I don't mean to gloat, but I got home today and much to my surprise saw that Suddenlink launched FOX HD in Parkersburg today. It's the new FOX channel that our local NBC (WTAP) affiliate started multi-casting about 6 months ago. What's interesting though is that because it's a secondary channel, the HD feed of FOX Parkersburg isn't even available OTA. I wish I could comment on the picture quality, but there isn't anything in HD on FOX tonight. Stupid, "So you think you can dance." I'll definitely be watching the game tomorrow night though.
So, I'm just waiting on ABC HD now....and I'd like to have the HD Net channels also.

Please watch the Chief/Giants game tonight and let us know how FOX-HD looks. Thanks.

Please watch the Chief/Giants game tonight and let us know how FOX-HD looks. Thanks.

I'd also be curious whether it is broadcast through Suddenlink in 5.1 Dolby Digital.

Yes, the last 12 months I have been emailing with a great guy at Charter/Suddenlink who has given me the scoop. He even called me personally when WOWK-DT and WSAZ-DT went live so I could tell him how it looked.

I don't know the details, but he said that WVAH-DT/WCHS-DT could have been put onto Suddenlink quickly, but that Suddenlink needed to order some parts. So, it will probably be up in the next 2-3 weeks.


2-3 weeks ... sounds like this could drag on .. no ND/GT in HD is brutal

I'd also be curious whether it is broadcast through Suddenlink in 5.1 Dolby Digital.

I'll document it tonight

None of my local broadcasters in HD on cable come in 5.1. :mad: Anybody experiencing anything different?

None of my local broadcasters in HD on cable come in 5.1. :mad: Anybody experiencing anything different?


WSAZ HD on Suddenlink in Charleston is in 5.1.....but WOWK is not.

WSAZ HD on Suddenlink in Charleston is in 5.1.....but WOWK is not.


Thats because WOWK-DT does not transmit in 5.1. Speaking of does anyone know if they plan to upgrade to 5.1?

hey guys, i just got moved into my new home in ashland (mindy jane court). my cable will be hooked-up a week from tomorrow. does anybody know what local hd channels time warner (formerly adelphia) carries? i know they have wowk because when i first got here the cable was still on and i did a channel search and my tv found wowk and discovery hd. so how about abc, nbc, and fox?

i'm trying to figure out if i need to go ahead and buy an antenna for ota or not.

thnx

Tarheel's source is legit....as I posted a week or so ago I emailed Matthew Thompson - Charleston Daily Mail's Television columnist asking him if he knew anything about ABC and Fox HD channels on Suddenlink. Here is his response that I received today:

Yes the HD feeds for both channels should be on Suddenlink sometime in the
next two weeks. I just got comfirmation that the company is awaiting
equipment to transmit the stations.

As soon as that is recieved, the channels will be available. If you have any
more questions feel free to contact me. You can read more about it in my TV
Column in tomorrow's Daily Mail. Thanks.

Does anyone know if the HD locals are "In the wild (unencrypted)" so to speak. I am getting ready to try a new antenna at my dad's house, but his TV has a QAM tuner. So if he can get the feeds without a box, I may not even try the new antenna.

There are discussions elsewhere that local digital feeds should be unencrypted just like the analog locals, but then again?????

^^ Awesome! Just hope the prices don't go up...wishful thinking I bet.

hey guys, i just got moved into my new home in ashland (mindy jane court). my cable will be hooked-up a week from tomorrow. does anybody know what local hd channels time warner (formerly adelphia) carries? i know they have wowk because when i first got here the cable was still on and i did a channel search and my tv found wowk and discovery hd. so how about abc, nbc, and fox?

i'm trying to figure out if i need to go ahead and buy an antenna for ota or not.

thnx

I live about 4 miles away from you at Greenhill and I just switched from Adelphia to Dishnetwork as a part of the Windstream bundle. While I was on Adelphia, I subscribed to their full HD package, which consisted of 2 HDnets, 2 InHDs, ESPNHD, your choice of premium movie channel, (1 channel from HBO lineup, etc.), and just recently DiscHD (although I never could get the channel info to appear in my guide.) For a very short time (2 days) I did receive WOWK's digital signal, but they took it off before they became Time Warner. Overall, I was pleased with the quality of the picture that I got with the 6 or 7 HD channels, but I rarely wanted to watch anything on them and my SD local channels looked awful on anything but the smallest sets in the house. Since Windstream tookover Alltel's telephone and DSL service in the area and began offering this combo package, I decided to try it. I'm getting 20+ channels in HD now and although the picture might not be as crisp as cable was on a couple of them (INHDs), the overall quality is great and the SD quality is much better. I also have the bonus of an OTA tuner that is built into my HD receiver. I ran an RG6 cable up into my attic and wrapped it around a rafter as an experiment and was able to pick up the digital feeds from WSAZ, WOWK, and WCHS! I do live at the top of a pretty big hill. The only thing I'm not getting right now that I want is the Fox digital feed from WVAH. Since it is on the same tower as the WCHS feed I can't figure why it doesn't come in too. Ah well, maybe I'll have to buy an antenna for that one.

Tarheel's source is legit....as I posted a week or so ago I emailed Matthew Thompson - Charleston Daily Mail's Television columnist asking him if he knew anything about ABC and Fox HD channels on Suddenlink. Here is his response that I received today:

Yes the HD feeds for both channels should be on Suddenlink sometime in the
next two weeks. I just got comfirmation that the company is awaiting
equipment to transmit the stations.

As soon as that is recieved, the channels will be available. If you have any
more questions feel free to contact me. You can read more about it in my TV
Column in tomorrow's Daily Mail. Thanks.


Did anyone check out that article? Anymore detailed information? I looked for it online, but couldn't find it.

Did anyone check out that article? Anymore detailed information? I looked for it online, but couldn't find it.


Yeah, I read it....Suddenlink representative Mike Keleman verified that parts have been ordered and the HD feed of ABC and Fox would be available on Suddenlink soon. A target date could not be given.

Does anyone know if we will get the digital station The Tube (8.2)? I know when WSAZ signed their contract with their HD station we get the other channels they offer like MY Z coming September.

What about WHCP or WQCW what ever their calling it, will we get their digital channel. I called their station because the sound only comes out the left speaker. The guy I talked to said they broadcast in mono but that shouldn't happen on cable and said he was going to install new parts and should be fixed in less than a month. He said they don't have HD but they do have a digital station.

I live about 4 miles away from you at Greenhill and I just switched from Adelphia to Dishnetwork...

thanx for the info!

i have a terk tv5 indoor antenna and can p/u wsaz with low signal. i have not tried the attic though... will probably just go ahead and get an antenna.

Got another question,

I have emailed suddenlink about our channel line-up haven't gotten any reply. Does anyone know what channels our ABCHD and FOXHD will be? I have the box going through pass thru so it switches between 480i,480p,720p,1080i depending on what the station sends, it takes a while when it switches and would hope that our ABCHD and FOXHD will be next to ESPNHD since they are in 720p.

a while is like 3 seconds not that bad, but if your channel surfing and they alternate between 720p and 1080i it adds up and is annoying, other people in my house really hate the delay I accept it because it looks better going through pass thru, by grouping the different formats together makes it easier.

Got another question,

I have emailed suddenlink about our channel line-up haven't gotten any reply. Does anyone know what channels our ABCHD and FOXHD will be?


I'm going to guess and assume that the logical place would follow WSAZ HD and WOWK HD, thus would be assigned Channels 783 and 784.

The channels couldn't follow ESPN HD cause it is 773 and Discover HD is 775...or Suddenlink would have to readjust more channels.

What's up with WCHS? In the past week, they've been HORRIBLE at switching to their HD signal. I'm watching D* HD out of NY more than local. Come on WV....keep up with the pace. What's the point in having HD when you don't work it correctly. I'm watching Pirates now on 8-1. After the last commercial, it went SD 4:3. The LL WS game for the US championship was in SD...had to watch on channel 86 on D*.

What's up with WCHS? I'm watching Pirates now on 8-1. After the last commercial, it went SD 4:3. .had to watch on channel 86 on D*.
Did the same thing. :(

Interesting communication I received this morning in reply to an email I sent the day that they Sinclair/Suddenlink agreement was announced... he is just now responding.

"Mr. Brisendine,
I'm sorry but we have not been provided details of the Sinclair/Sundenlink agreement at this time or for that matter if a written agreement has been struck. We just can't answer your question yet.

Regards,
Raymond Beckner, Dir Eng/Op, WCHS/WVAH"

This is the original mail sent 8/14 from me...

"I would like to know if the HD broadcast rights were included in the agreement between Sinclair and Suddenlink. If they were included when will the signal be on cable?

Thank you."

This is the original mail sent 8/14 from me...

"I would like to know if the HD broadcast rights were included in the agreement between Sinclair and Suddenlink. If they were included when will the signal be on cable?

Thank you."

Suddenlink promised ABC and Fox will be on their system by the start of NFL. That is Sept. 10. Just be patient.

Suddenlink promised ABC and Fox will be on their system ....

Plus, this was verified by the Charleston Daily Mail.

Does Charter/Suddenlink carry ESPN2 in HD in the Charleston area yet?

Does Charter/Suddenlink carry ESPN2 in HD in the Charleston area yet?

No

It appears suddenlink is as inept at delivering service as Charter. I ordered a cable card last week and the tech showed up today-at the appointed time- without the card. He called back to his supervisor and was informed that they didn't have any Cable Cards, and didn't expect to get any. They also didn't have a HD box of anykind on the truck.

Anyway I just cancelled everything scheduled. I have the SA8300HD box already ,but wanted to give the Cable Card a whirl in another HDTV. I have 3 HDTV's in my theater for football. I also have a DB-4 antenna and receive all the HD locals via it.

I am ready for football, and Marshall to WIN!! please don't black ball me! :)

He called back to his supervisor and was informed that they didn't have any Cable Cards, and didn't expect to get any.
Aren't they required by the FCC to provide cablecards to anyone who asks for them?

It appears suddenlink is as inept at delivering service as Charter. I ordered a cable card last week and the tech showed up today-at the appointed time- without the card. He called back to his supervisor and was informed that they didn't have any Cable Cards, and didn't expect to get any. They also didn't have a HD box of anykind on the truck.

Anyway I just cancelled everything scheduled. I have the SA8300HD box already ,but wanted to give the Cable Card a whirl in another HDTV. I have 3 HDTV's in my theater for football. I also have a DB-4 antenna and receive all the HD locals via it.

I am ready for football, and Marshall to WIN!! please don't black ball me! :)


You may be ready for it, but may have to wait a few weeks before you see it :D
Only kidding here, I'm a fan of both schools. I didn't go to either. I graduated from a school who's at the top for Lacrosse, but I don't get that game, so I can root for them.

Interesting communication I received this morning in reply to an email I sent the day that they Sinclair/Suddenlink agreement was announced... he is just now responding.

"Mr. Brisendine,
I'm sorry but we have not been provided details of the Sinclair/Sundenlink agreement at this time or for that matter if a written agreement has been struck. We just can't answer your question yet.

Regards,
Raymond Beckner, Dir Eng/Op, WCHS/WVAH"

The reason Raymond just got back to you is that he's the only Engineer around that is actually doing any work...LOL!! Ray was with WSAZ when they became the FIRST network in our area to go HD. They were providing HD signals WELL before the other networks (delays for 8 and 11 were from the tower, so they can't be blamed). As soon as Raymond started working for WOWK, guess what we finally received? You got it, HD from WOWK. We submitted several emails to Bray Carey and were frustrated. Didn't take long for Ray to make it happen. I'm sure if he had information to share, he would have told you.

Does anyone know if Suddenlink areas outside the post Charter areas will recieve the same offerings as the post Charter customers? Wow, I wrote that and it confused me. Let me try again. Sissonville had Cebridge (owned by suddenlink). Charleston had Charter. They are now both Suddenlink. I'm wondering if Suddenlink in Sissonville will start receiving the same offerings as the Suddenlink in Charleston now that they are one company?

It appears suddenlink is as inept at delivering service as Charter. I ordered a cable card last week and the tech showed up today-at the appointed time- without the card. He called back to his supervisor and was informed that they didn't have any Cable Cards, and didn't expect to get any. They also didn't have a HD box of anykind on the truck.



Oh, great. Just great. Forget about the Series 3 TiVo then. I cannot imagine any vailid excuse Suddenlink could have for this.

Sometimes, it sucks being a tech-lover in West Virginia.

I live in Charleston and was thinking of buying an HD antenna, but before I do I want to know which channels are available and which antennas are the best. Any advice would be great!

I was hoping we would get ABC and FOX channels in HD by the Marshall/WVU game. I know its not in HD, but the picture and sound are better on the digital broadcast.

Aren't they required by the FCC to provide cablecards to anyone who asks for them?

I didn't really want or need one anyway! :)

I live in Charleston and was thinking of buying an HD antenna, but before I do I want to know which channels are available and which antennas are the best. Any advice would be great!
jamwvcc, I live up on the hill in St. Albans and get WSAZ 3.1, WCHS 8.1, FOX 11.1, WOWK 13.1 in HD if the broadcast is in HD. I also get the PBS stations. I use a DB-4 antenna with a amp., and can run 2 HDTV at the same time. Others on this forum will have some good antenna suggestions, so keep reading.

Huh....what do you know. WCHS Prime Time show at 9PM (Kyle XY) is NOT in HD. Watching channel 86 on D* AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone have a clue on what's up with WCHS? I have yet to see anything in HD the last few weeks on everything I watch on that channel.

Anyone have a clue on what's up with WCHS?
Is Paul still around? He used to give pretty quick feedback about issues like this.

is there anyone in the ashland/huntington area that carries the cm 4228? i would like to buy local in case i need to return it.

thnx

is there anyone in the ashland/huntington area that carries the cm 4228? i would like to buy local in case i need to return it.
Wilk's TV carries the 4221 and you could give it a try. A friend of mine in Huntington over by St. Mary's has a 4221 and gets all 4 nets. He has it setting in the corner of his TV room.

Call Mark at Wilk's (523-5886) and see if he has any in stock before you go over unless its close. They are located on Rt. 60 near Value City Furniture.

Well, the NFL begins Sunday and I don't think we're going to be seeing any FOX games in HD via cable..... oh well back to the TEKTV55, thanks Suddenlink.

Well, the NFL begins Sunday and I don't think we're going to be seeing any FOX games in HD via cable..... oh well back to the TEKTV55, thanks Suddenlink.

Always a chance they could get the job done today or tomorrow. Let's hope. Here are the games on WVAH:

1:00 PM NFL Football: New Orleans Saints at Cleveland Browns
From Cleveland Browns Stadium in Cleveland

4:00 PM NFL Football: Dallas Cowboys at Jacksonville Jaguars
From ALLTEL Stadium in Jacksonville, Fla

Well, the NFL begins Sunday and I don't think we're going to be seeing any FOX games in HD via cable..... oh well back to the TEKTV55, thanks Suddenlink.

I'm sure Sinclair is to blame for this as well. They both need to get their heads out of their asses and give their customers what we really want. Honestly I see this as a win for both sides once it gets done. But in the mean time, their customers are the ones who are losing out. I wonder if they even care.

Regarding CableCards..I stopped by the Teays Valley Suddenlink office just a bit ago. To my surprise, the girl not only knew what I was talking about, but they *do* have CableCards! They're $1.50/mo, and come in packages like the boxes.

This is great news for those of us interested in the Series 3 TiVo. :)

I recently switched to Directv with an off-air antenna. I can receive WSAZ and WOWK in HD via the off-air antenna on 3-1 and 13-1. I can't get WVAH or WCHS. When I go to the setup screen to test the signal strength, it fluctuates from 25% to 0%. I'm not sure what brand of OTA I have, it was installed by Directv, but when I call them, they say that they can't guarantee reception. Any pointers? I live in the Westmoreland area of Huntington, so signal strenght shouldn't be an issue. Thanks in advance.

Westmoreland is pretty far from the 8 and 11 tower. That is why the signal strength is weak.

Regarding CableCards..I stopped by the Teays Valley Suddenlink office just a bit ago. To my surprise, the girl not only knew what I was talking about, but they *do* have CableCards! They're $1.50/mo, and come in packages like the boxes.

This is great news for those of us interested in the Series 3 TiVo. :)

Great raober! Suddenlink called while I was out to reschedule the Cable Card for Monday. I think some people at Suddenlink were just not informed. If you want to get HD on that card it is another $3.00, so I was told it would be $4.55 total.

Great raober! Suddenlink called while I was out to reschedule the Cable Card for Monday. I think some people at Suddenlink were just not informed. If you want to get HD on that card it is another $3.00, so I was told it would be $4.55 total.

What is a Cable Card?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CableCARD

Westmoreland is pretty far from the 8 and 11 tower. That is why the signal strength is weak.


i lived in spring valley and got nbc, abc, fox, cbs, several pbs, and pax with an indoor terk tv antenna...

8 and 11 come from the same direction, you may need to turn your antenna to pick them up

I recently switched to Directv with an off-air antenna. I can receive WSAZ and WOWK in HD via the off-air antenna on 3-1 and 13-1. I can't get WVAH or WCHS. When I go to the setup screen to test the signal strength, it fluctuates from 25% to 0%. I'm not sure what brand of OTA I have, it was installed by Directv, but when I call them, they say that they can't guarantee reception. Any pointers? I live in the Westmoreland area of Huntington, so signal strenght shouldn't be an issue. Thanks in advance.

Yeah, go here... http://www.checkhd.com/aw/Address.aspx plug in your zip, and see how far, and in what direction the antenna's are for the respective station that you are interested in. Like andy4theherd said, your antenna may not be turned in the direction of the stations in question. UHF channels are directional.

Oh, and I am not sure how good the DirecTV OTA antenna is. You may need to purchase your own antenna with a rotor to be able to get all the channels that you want.

Oh, and I am not sure how good the DirecTV OTA antenna is.
Which D* receiver? The HR10-250 is very finicky, but the H20 has the 5th gen LG chip and is very good.

Which D* receiver? The HR10-250 is very finicky, but the H20 has the 5th gen LG chip and is very good.

I have the H20 receiver. I put up my own Channel Master 4228 UHF antenna, with a Channel Master pre amp. The H20 has a separate coaxial input/tuner for my outdoor antenna. It seems to work well for me.

Was looking forward to watching the Ohio State/Texas game on ABC-HD on cable. Guess that is not going to happen now.

Was looking forward to watching the Ohio State/Texas game on ABC-HD on cable. Guess that is not going to happen now.


i just hope my newly installed cm 4228 keeps signal. i've been getting from 50-60 signal strength for abc...

i just hope my newly installed cm 4228 keeps signal. i've been getting from 50-60 signal strength for abc...

Do you have a preamp with that antenna? If not, it should help.

Do you have a preamp with that antenna? If not, it should help.


yea, i've got a cm somethin or other pre-amp. i have a big hill beside my house that blocks my line-of-sight. there are also a lot of tree on the top of the hill. as soon as the leaves go, i should be getting a solid signal.

yea, i've got a cm somethin or other pre-amp. i have a big hill beside my house that blocks my line-of-sight. there are also a lot of tree on the top of the hill. as soon as the leaves go, i should be getting a solid signal.

Yeah, that sounds a bit like my situation, I live on a hill, but have some fairly large trees within about 100 feet of the antenna in the line of sight. It seems atmospheric also, because I was able to receive 3, 8, 11, and 13 for about the past week or so. I haven't checked the signal strength lately though, but I am sure that 3 and 13 are not that high, and if like last year, it seemed to improve when the trees had no leaves on them.

I have a Samsung TS 360 HD receiver.....will I need to upgrade to H20? Are there any channels I'm missing from not upgrading right away?

Currently have in HD through D

HBO 70
SHO71
ESPN 2 72
ESPN 73
UHD 74
TNT 75
DISCOVERY 76
HDNET MOVIE 78
HDNET 79
ABC 86
FOX 88
PPV 99

Any I am missing by not having the H20?

Thanks

No. Until next year, the Samsung will do just fine.

Our locals should be going up on satellite sometime in the first half of next year along with some more nationals. At that point you will need a new receiver, either the H20 or HR20.

Any estimates now of when ABC and FOX HD will be on Suddenlink?

Which D* receiver? The HR10-250 is very finicky, but the H20 has the 5th gen LG chip and is very good.

I have the H20 receiver. The WSAZ and WOWK signals come through fine, but I can't get WVAH or WCHS. Is there a manual or guide online somewhere that deals with adjusting the OTA's? I don't want to start adjusting it blindly, making matters worse than they are now.

Thanks again

Just wondering if any of you other D* Sunday Ticket subs noticed if the three games shown on WOWK and WVAH were blacked out in HD on ST yesterday. My HD versions were NOT blacked out but the SD versions were. Last year SD and HD were BOTH blacked out whenever the game was broadcast by one of the local affiliates.

Just wondering if they made a policy change and I got them because D* doesn't have our locals up in HD yet and/or because I live in a "white area" for both of those stations. (or someone at D* made a mistake).

In any case I hope the 'No HD Blackout' continues for the rest of they year!!

(or someone at D* made a mistake).
Actually I didn't look since the PQ is better OTA than the highly compressed ST HD feeds. And I watched the Jets in (gasp) SD for the early game which checking in on the Saints/Browns game on 13-1. PQ on that game was excellent.

On a side note, any NASCAR fans get ready to be extremely pi**ed come Sunday. D* is shutting off TNT-HD during ST. That means the first two races of the Chase will not be available in HD via D*. :(

After watching the NFL games this weekend, I was surprised how much better the picture on WOWK-HD looked than ESPN-HD. Those ESPN folks must really down-res.

Actually I didn't look since the PQ is better OTA than the highly compressed ST HD feeds. :(

I can't get any of the locals OTA (very tall, very close ridge to the north) even with an outside yagi. So highly compressed HD is still better than SD.

But you are right. You could really notice the compression on the long shots. (i.e. the standard shot they take of the entire offense and most of the defense just before the ball is snapped.) Even with no movement for artifacts, the detail just isn't there. It seems to be worse on some games that others. The GB/Chicago game was notibly worse than Dallas/Jax.


On a related note. Has anyone noticed a drop in PQ from WSAZ-HD OTA since they compressed their signal to make room for 3.2 (MyZ or whatever it's called)? Not that it makes any difference to me, just curious.

After watching the NFL games this weekend, I was surprised how much better the picture on WOWK-HD looked than ESPN-HD. Those ESPN folks must really down-res.

I agree the game on WOWK looked amazing. Don't get too accustomed to watching HD football on CBS though. I read that CBS is only doing 3 games a week in HD! So whether we get a game in HD will essentially be a roll of the dice.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/cbscheap090806.htm

Also, anyone planning on picking up one of those Series 3 Tivo's?

It has already begun. The 1:00 game on WOWK this Sunday will be Cleveland @ Cincinnati will NOT be in HD. Luckily the 4:15 game of New England @ NY Jets will be in HD. Thanks CBS.

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/nfl.php

It has already begun. The 1:00 game on WOWK this Sunday will be Cleveland @ Cincinnati will NOT be in HD. Luckily the 4:15 game of New England @ NY Jets will be in HD. Thanks CBS.

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/nfl.php

That is bull.

Tarheel32,

You're not from around here are you? ;)

One reason I pay for NFLST is because I got tired of seeing the same Bengals/Browns/Steelers games every Sunday. No matter how good the national game is, we get the region crap. The NFC is better as it used to be the Redskins no matter what.

So you are going to get this crap whether it is in SD or HD.

The good news is the Giants/Eagles game on FOX is in HD.

On that note, here's a useful map of the NFL games distributed across the country.

http://www.gribblenation.net/nflmaps/

It has already begun. The 1:00 game on WOWK this Sunday will be Cleveland @ Cincinnati will NOT be in HD. Luckily the 4:15 game of New England @ NY Jets will be in HD. Thanks CBS.

Unfortunately, no Pats-Jets...we're getting Denver/KC. I was hoping the Chad factor would get the game here...although I am of course a Pats fan. :)

Also, to answer another poster...I caved and got a Series 3 TiVo. Yes, the price is high...but the SA8300 DVR sucks and HD calls to me.

You're right, it will be KC @ DEN. Man I hate Denver, and KC is gonna be crap without Green. They didn't even look very good with him. At least it'll be in HD. Where is the Chad factor?

Tarheel32,

You're not from around here are you? ;)

One reason I pay for NFLST is because I got tired of seeing the same Bengals/Browns/Steelers games every Sunday. No matter how good the national game is, we get the region crap. The NFC is better as it used to be the Redskins no matter what.

So you are going to get this crap whether it is in SD or HD.

The good news is the Giants/Eagles game on FOX is in HD.

I am from Chas. and don't mind watching Cincy/Cleve./Pitts./Redskins every week. I was disappointed, though, that the Cincy/Cleve. game won't be in high definition. I was under the impression that all NFL games were going to be in HD this year. Guess not.

I was under the impression that all NFL games were going to be in HD this year. Guess not.
Rumor is next year. FOX has 6 in HD per week, and during bye weeks that is 100% of their games. CBS still only has 3. :(

Watching WVU beat down on UMD is just beautiful on ESPN HD :)

Anybody else having trouble with 3-1 in the last couple of days? I'm getting a really scrambled signal at times, even when the wind isn't gusting.

Watching WVU beat down on UMD is just beautiful on ESPN HD :)
SouthPaw1227, I watched the WVU-UMD on my 92 inch screen projected with a PT-AE900U projector, and it was spectacular.

I am still having the on going saga of a CableCard from Suddenlink. They are still clueless.

Anybody else having trouble with 3-1 in the last couple of days? I'm getting a really scrambled signal at times, even when the wind isn't gusting.

sjividen, Ch. 3.1 appears fine at this moment 9:52am on the hill in St. Albans.

Everyone, I see my clock is incorrectly set. Sorry.

I am noticing when the air cools down CBS HD signal weakens for me. In the summer when it is warm and muggy no problem at all but when it cools down the picture looks bad or does not come in at all. Any idea why this may happen?

SouthPaw1227, I watched the WVU-UMD on my 92 inch screen projected with a PT-AE900U projector, and it was spectacular.

I am still having the on going saga of a CableCard from Suddenlink. They are still clueless.

Which office are you trying to get the card from? I walked into the Teays Valley office yesterday, and said that I need 2 cards (for Tivo Series 3). Again, they knew exactly what I was talking about. They even asked if I was sure I wouldn't miss PPV, the online guide, etc. So, we'll see...they're coming to my house on Thursday.

That is, if the Tivo arrives. Ordering it from TiVo has been frustrating. Check out tivocommunity.com...there are a lot of people ticked off at them right now.

sjividen, Ch. 3.1 appears fine at this moment 9:52am on the hill in St. Albans.


Then I don't know what's going on with me. My DB4 hasn't moved at all, yet the signal for 3-1 is down in the 20s. The others are right where they should be, including 13-1, which has always been the hardest for me to pick up.

I wish D* would hurry up and add the locals in HD because I'm sick of dealing with this crap. There's no reason for me to not be receiving 3-1 at this point, especially since I won't get to see Notre Dame lose in HD now.

since I won't get to see Notre Dame lose in HD now.
PQ is not that good. :(

But Michigan is winning 27-7 in the 2nd. :)

I'm with you SJividen...I had 13-1 perfect all day and then when the sun goes down and it begins to cool...I cant get it at all. It is frustrating. Unfortunately to quote Rupert Murdoch D*** is a " Turd Bird". This time last year we were seeing commercials advertising the great, up and coming HD lineup........

Any ideas when ABC & FOX go HD on SuddenLink?

I am guessing that we will get ABC and FOX HD, Sept. 18. That is when we get MYZ on channel 3 and TVguide channel goes to like 86 or 97. If not I cant even guess when. Does anyone know if we get The Tube (8.2) when we get ABC HD?

Checking the channel guide we now get the Pats/Jets game on CBS, thats better.

Thank you WOWK for actually using your HD feed for an HD game but still giving us the Cleveland v Cincinnati game on the SD feed. What a pleasant suprise.
Boy that CBS HD sure looks good. Anyone watching FOX HD OTA think it doesn't look that good? Especially the "normal" sideline shot? Really anything that's not super close looks bad. Is it just me?

Thank you WOWK for actually using your HD feed for an HD game but still giving us the Cleveland v Cincinnati game on the SD feed. What a pleasant suprise.
Boy that CBS HD sure looks good. Anyone watching FOX HD OTA think it doesn't look that good? Especially the "normal" sideline shot? Really anything that's not super close looks bad. Is it just me?


agreed

Is anyone else having problems with CBS HD on suddenlink? It is acting like the antenna feed when you can’t get a strong signal, and every once in a while changes to 480p or gets stuck trying to, changing the channel and back works.

I also have problems on 213 and 122 takes 20-30 seconds to change the channel from those stations and 213 sound drops out like someone would bleep it for less than a half a second frequently. Also sometimes when I use the channels that you can only get through the box I get static in the sound but if I switch back to normal channels then back again it usually goes away but today had to unplug the box to make it stop.

I would like to know if other people are having problems with CBS HD on suddenlink. If not it’s probably my box.


I like that they gave us the HD game on the HD channel now we have 3 games to watch.

WTF, why is the NE v NYJ game not in HD right now? It's supposed to be.

Called WOWK. The control room wouldn't answer so I asked the news department to please go ask the control room to turn on HD. Also sent an e-mail to Bill Galloway.

the highlights on espn were in hd...

We are not adjusting power anytime during the day. Unlike radio, we keep the power level the same sun-up to sun-down.
There could be an antenna or atmospheric condition going on at your location. Adjustment of your antenna might help but our power level is not changing during the day or night..
Thanks for the email. Feel free to contact me anytime via email or phone.

Thanks for watching WOWK-DT Live and Local.

Bill Galloway
Director of Technical Services
WV Media
304-781-6003


My response:



I live appx 7 miles from WSAZ and WOWK antennas. WSAZ 3-1 and 3-2 come in perfect 100% of the time. WOWK is pixalating tonight...but was fine throughout the day. In the summer (May-August) WOWK was also perfect 100% of the time. Must be atmospheric because if it were my antenna WSAZ would also be going out.

Have also been having trouble with WOWK-DT on Suddenlink. For past several weeks sometimes picture and sound freezes with both HD and SD programs. I thought it might be my box but apparently in system. None of the other HD channels have this problem (have all available HD channels).

Well I was wrong Suddenlink changed our channel lineup by adding MYZ on channel 3 and moved TVguide channel to 97, but they didn't add FOX or ABC in HD.

MYZ is 3.2 but I cant get it at all so I dont know the difference in picture quality but its a digital station and should look better, and I know watching WSAZ HD feed when not in HD is still a lot better than channel 4 the analog station. I am dissapionted that the took a digital station and only transmit it by analog.

I'm disappointed, I thought that Fox and ABC HD feeds would be added to Suddenlink this week as well. It would be nice to get the HD feeds before Lost starts and/or the baseball postseason.

Grrrrr....

I wanna watch Vanished tonight in HD!

I had the same problems you guys had, so I got rid of Suddenlink and embraced Dish Network. With their HD box, I can hook up my over-the-air antenna so I get their HD channels and the locals all in one place. Plus their HD channel lineup is amazing with ESPN and ESPN 2 both in HD and NFL Network in HD. Suddenlink has been screwing with us too long. If you are an HD fan, Suddenlink cannot fufill your needs.

^ You still using SuddenLink for high-speed internet?

Off-topic guys: What's the chances of SuddenLink getting ESPNU? (*know the answer already...*)

^ You still using SuddenLink for high-speed internet?

Off-topic guys: What's the chances of SuddenLink getting ESPNU? (*know the answer already...*)

I'm using Verizon DSL, at $29.95 for 1.5 to 3.0 mbs service. I started using that when I stopped my Charter/Suddenlink TV service. I was paying $39.95 a month for their 3 mb service, and when I told them I wanted to cancel the TV service, then they told me that it would go up to $49.95 per month. I then told them to just cancel everything, and went to DirecTV, and Verizon. Verizon also had a 768 kb service, at $14.95 per month. I should have taken that, which would have been fast enough for me. I orginally had the 3.0 mbs service for gaming for the kids online.

One bad thing about DirectTV, is that they offer ESPNU as part of their sports package, which is $12.00 more per month. Considering that it is all in SD, I really do not believe it is worth it, and will be dropping it at the end of this month. I still get ESPN and ESPN2 in HD, and have OTA for the local HD broadcast. Now, I know that did not answer your question, but just giving you some other ideas. BTW, DirecTV claims that in early 2007, they will have the ability to transmit up to 150 HD National channels, and 1500 locals, once they launch a couple of new satellites.

Also, I understand that Dish Network has ESPNU as part of their normal package, but not really sure about that.

I had the same problems you guys had, so I got rid of Suddenlink and embraced Dish Network. With their HD box, I can hook up my over-the-air antenna so I get their HD channels and the locals all in one place. Plus their HD channel lineup is amazing with ESPN and ESPN 2 both in HD and NFL Network in HD. Suddenlink has been screwing with us too long. If you are an HD fan, Suddenlink cannot fufill your needs.

I still think that Suddenlink offers the best HD package around, especially considering we get NBC and CBS with ABC and Fox hopefully coming soon. I don't like that you have to pay $300 - $400 for the HD DVR from D* plus a monthly fee.

^ That upfront fee scares me away as well.

That, and the fact that I would be paying thre $14.95/month for DSL *PLUS* whatever it costs (~$20?) to have a landline phone that I don't want and will never use installed. I use my cellphone 100% of the time and have no need for a landline, thus DSL would practically end up costing me at least $35/month on top of the $100+ for a sweet satellite HD DVR setup (and those nasty upfront fees).

Until either D* or E* starts throwing in the HD DVR "free after rebate" or something, I'm sticking to cable.

Have also been having trouble with WOWK-DT on Suddenlink. For past several weeks sometimes picture and sound freezes with both HD and SD programs. I thought it might be my box but apparently in system. None of the other HD channels have this problem (have all available HD channels).

I am having this problem on the HD CBS channel (haven't watched much SD). I first noticed it during the college football games on Saturday. It was happening again last night. It is very annoying.

I am having this problem on the HD CBS channel (haven't watched much SD). I first noticed it during the college football games on Saturday. It was happening again last night. It is very annoying.
It appears to be a problem with WOWK-HD as it happens on Suddenlink and OTA at the same time. I was watching the same program on 2 HDTV's at the same time (my football setup), and it happens at the same time taking into account the slight delay on Suddenlink. Perhaps the WOWK folks need to monitor their equipment more closely.

Still waiting for Suddenlink to add ABC HD and Fox HD to the line-up in the Charleston area. Any word when that is coming. I know they had to order "equipment" but how long does equipment take.

^^ Yeah, I DVR'd "Smith" (on CBS) on HDTV and watched it tonight, finding glitches/drops at least 15 different times. Very annoying.

Yes, it is very annoying. I guess I will send WOWK an email to see what is going on.

I saw the WVU/ECU game in beatiful ESPN2HD at Longhorn tonight (they have DirecTV HD there) w/ a bunch of other WVU fans...great times.

BETTER TIMES was watching my NC State Wolfpack pull out the upset against BC!

I remember reading a post on here a month or two back where someone said they could pick up the OTA channels better in the summer months when it was humid. That must be my case too. This summer, I could pick up WSAZ, WVAH and WCHS with an indoor antenna, pointing in one direction. The only way I could get WOWK was to open my window, point the antenna towards the ground, and inwards to the brick of my house. Some wild bounce I guess.

Now that it's getting a little cooler (my only guess), I can no longer pick up WCHS. I get it in the 20s, where this summer, it was in the upper 80s.

I get all the channels on D* in HD, but I wouldn't call it HD. Better than SD on my HD TV, but NOT, and I repeat NOT better than SD on my Sony Wega SD TV.

I haven't seen any other posts, but anyone else having any problems with 8-1 lately?

YES; I have also experienced trouble with 8-1 OTA....last night's ABC football game ND v Michigan was unwatchable so ended up watching the analog feed on Suddenlink. 8.1 used to be very reliable from my location on Smith Rd in Charleston.

Suddenlink's WOKY's HD feed was bad too last week....recorded season premiers of Smith and Kidnapped in HD on the DVR and experienced numerous drop outs of sound. Spouse not happy

I was down at my parents in Milton today and my dad was not able to watch either 11.1 or 13.1. He has never had issues like this before. I am going to try an amp and see if it helps. :( :confused:

does anyone have a list of clearQAM channels that sudden link has in so charleston? I was helping a friend setup a new tv with qam tuner in this area and was only able to pull in the music channels and a couple of useless informational digital channels. there were no broadcast HD/digital QAM channels at all.
If broadcast digital/hd is not available via clearQAM, how much extra is it? and is there an additional fee for the hd box? (they already have the basic box)
basically I'm looking for as much information as possible regarding HD service, HD equipment and HD channels/packages
including cablecard availability and cost...
thanks in advance for ANY help on this (hoping to get my friend up and running with their new TV)

^ Your only hope of pulling in free OTA HD channels in Charleston is to be in a perfect locatio without mountains blocking the signal (good luck, I definitely can't get a single one).

SuddenLink offers an HD DVR box (like $6/month) and an HD suite of channels. Currently, they have Discovery HD, TNT HD, NBC HD, CBS HD, and ESPN HD. They are *supposed* to get ABC HD and FOX HD very soon (last week, actually), so hopefully that'll show up soon at no extra cost to subscribers.

If you wanna buy movie channels, they also offer HBO HD, Cinemax HD (I have those 2, they look awesome), Starz HD, and Showtime HD.

I have their high-speed internet, "big value package" (required w/ HD service), HD tier, HD DVR, HBO/Cinemax -- I'm in their 6 months promotion (what you'll get when you sign up) and it's just over $100/month for everything. It'll probably end up $20 or so higher after 6 months.

Sorry I don't have a more exact price breakdown (like sans cable internet, for example).

^
SuddenLink offers an HD DVR box (like $6/month) and an HD suite of channels. Currently, they have Discovery HD, TNT HD, NBC HD, CBS HD, and ESPN HD. They are *supposed* to get ABC HD and FOX HD very soon (last week, actually), so hopefully that'll show up soon at no extra cost to subscribers.



Is Suddenlink a provider in the Charleston area only? I've never heard of them. I'm stuck in Ashland with TW, formally Adelphia. No locals or TNT in HD. I live on a hill, so I'm going to attempt the CM 4228 and see if I can get the locals.

<<snip>>

SuddenLink offers an HD DVR box (like $6/month) and an HD suite of channels. Currently, they have Discovery HD, TNT HD, NBC HD, CBS HD, and ESPN HD. They are *supposed* to get ABC HD and FOX HD very soon (last week, actually), so hopefully that'll show up soon at no extra cost to subscribers.

<<snip>>

So, they'd get those HD channels, dvr service and all for just $6 a month? Doesn't seem **too** bad, sucks that you guys don't get any clearqam channels though, most areas at least have the locals in the clear (I think TW even has tnt in most areas free) and of course the music channels... maybe they thought people wouldn't justify $6 for 3 extra channels (who knows...)
Do you know if the HD dvr box has HDMI output or not?
thanks for all the info,
mav

Is Suddenlink a provider in the Charleston area only? I've never heard of them. I'm stuck in Ashland with TW, formally Adelphia. No locals or TNT in HD. I live on a hill, so I'm going to attempt the CM 4228 and see if I can get the locals.
As I understand it Suddenlink bought out a substantial portion of Charter, which included all of charter in WV IIRC.
http://www.suddenlink.com/pages/map_charter.php
and some of cox as well
http://www.suddenlink.com/pages/map.php
and I believe suddenlink is actually what used to be known as cebridge communications
http://www.cebridge.net/
So do you know if there have been any service changes yet in your transition to TW, we're moving to Comcast here and, thus far, absolutely no changes are apparent yet.

So do you know if there have been any service changes yet in your transition to TW, we're moving to Comcast here and, thus far, absolutely no changes are apparent yet.


I've been away on business, but I believe I've lost ESPNU and they won't be carrying NFL network.

Is Suddenlink a provider in the Charleston area only? I've never heard of them. I'm stuck in Ashland with TW, formally Adelphia. No locals or TNT in HD. I live on a hill, so I'm going to attempt the CM 4228 and see if I can get the locals.

i'm also in ashland with tw. if your tv has a built in hd/digital decoder you can pick-up nbc hd and discovery hd on 73.1 and 73.2. (i did this by hooking the cable from the wall to the back of my tv and doing a search for digital ch's). up until a couple of weeks ago, i also got wowk in hd on 68.1. for some reason, wowk is gone now.

as for ota, if you live on a hill you should have no problems getting all the networks. i live beside a hill that is in my line of site and higher than my house and i can get all networks and wv/ky/oh pbs with a 4228 and amp. i'm on mindy jane off 168. my ant is in the attic.

^^ The HD DVR is $6/month, the HD tier is like $7/month I think.

All the locals (ABC, NBC, Fox, CBS) can be received "clear" with an OTA antenna, but like I said, good luck getting receiption. No clear TNT that I know of.

^^ The HD DVR is $6/month, the HD tier is like $7/month I think.

All the locals (ABC, NBC, Fox, CBS) can be received "clear" with an OTA antenna, but like I said, good luck getting receiption. No clear TNT that I know of.
yea... I finally was able to find a number to call and they gave me the info (I don't have it infront of me) but as I recall he said the billing system is currently screwed up(made some major changes in the past couple days?), so they can't do an HD box by itself, it has to be a secondary box, so you immediately tack on $4 or so for the second digital outlet(but that should be resolved "soon" and drop the prices by about $4), all total IIRC:
HD box was about $15 (including service)
HD DVR total was about $20
he said cable card was only a couple bucks cheaper than the box, but wouldn't give an exact price... this is contrary to what I see here, where it is only like 1.50? plus HD tier 6 or 7 (so 7.50-8.50 total, or rougly half)
also he said some HD boxes have HDMI standard is just component though.
by "clear" I was referring to clear QAM channels. QAM being the modulation method most cable companies use for digital channels... clear referring to unencrypted, and thus viewable if your TV/etc has a qam tuner, like my friend's.
btw is it just my friend's cable (at two seperate houses, st albans and so charleston) that the analog signal sucks, or should it really be quite clear?
The more I think about it the more I think they'd be better off with VZ DSL (btw I think it was you, SouthPaW1227, I PM'd about naked dsl. Just wanted to be sure you got it) and satellite, no local hd I know... maybe we'll try an antenna next time I visit, does anyone know if any local stores with decent return policy carry the terk tv55 or any of the CM products?

It would appear that Radio Shack has the Terk TV55

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2348403&cp=&pg=4&origkw=terk&kw=terk&parentPage=search

It would appear that Radio Shack has the Terk TV55

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2348403&cp=&pg=4&origkw=terk&kw=terk&parentPage=search
radioshack is local, yes. But this item is web only with them

Oops! :D

Not sure if you would like to try the Terk32, I had it before I bought the Channel Master CM4228, thinking the 4228 would be a huge difference in performance. It wasn't. The Terk 32 performed nicely, but only if mast mounted out doors.

Circuit City had them 6 to 9 months ago. It doesn't show them on their site, but the Corridor G locations had them.

http://www.epinions.com/Terk_TV_32__tv_32_terk_

I see the CM 4228 is categorized as a UHF antenna. When I view my address (zip 41129) on antennaweb.org, it says WSAZ and WOWK are VHF. I know somebody close by me has the CM 4228 with pre amp and it works OK. I was just wondering about the UHF antenna picking up the VHF....

Yeah I got the PM about naked DSL, I'm definitely keeping that in mind if Dish/DirecTV HD DVR's drop in price.

I When I view my address (zip 41129) on antennaweb.org, it says WSAZ and WOWK are VHF. ....
For some reason antennaweb is not showing any digital stations at your location. You are only 24 miles from the towers (WOWK/WSAZ) and should be able to pick up the digital channel.

The digital version of WSAZ is at UHF 23 and WOWK is at UHF 47. If someone in your area is getting reception with a 4228, then you should as well. Of course, YMMV.

For some reason antennaweb is not showing any digital stations at your location. You are only 24 miles from the towers (WOWK/WSAZ) and should be able to pick up the digital channel.

The digital version of WSAZ is at UHF 23 and WOWK is at UHF 47. If someone in your area is getting reception with a 4228, then you should as well. Of course, YMMV.

Thanks. Andy4theherd is getting the 4 networks, so I should be able also. I'll find out this weekend. I have the antenna, but haven't bought a pre amp yet. Not sure if I'll need it. I need some mounting hardware for the roof, also. Can I find what I need at Lowe's or do I need to find something like a tv electronics store?

Did you hear that Microsoft is releasing the HD DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 for $200?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/09/27/xbox-360-hd-dvd-drive-hitting-states-for-200/

It's tempting me to take the plunge into this next-gen format war. All the reviews I've read seem to favor HD DVD over Blu-Ray.
Anyone have either of these format players? Your impressions?

Did you hear that Microsoft is releasing the HD DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 for $200?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/09/27/xbox-360-hd-dvd-drive-hitting-states-for-200/

It's tempting me to take the plunge into this next-gen format war. All the reviews I've read seem to favor HD DVD over Blu-Ray.
Anyone have either of these format players? Your impressions?

I have the Toshiba A1. It's phenominal at HD DVDs. It's great at upscaling all my regular DVDs. It does have it's cons, though. Slow loading is the biggest complaint. Flimsy remote is another. I hear that the next generation (A2) is coming out around December and will convert to 1080p.

Did you hear that Microsoft is releasing the HD DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 for $200?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/09/27/xbox-360-hd-dvd-drive-hitting-states-for-200/

It's tempting me to take the plunge into this next-gen format war. All the reviews I've read seem to favor HD DVD over Blu-Ray.
Anyone have either of these format players? Your impressions?

SWEET!

did you guys read the thread that pretty much says you can use the drive with a HTPC?!?

i will def. be getting this for my xbox!

November = we could all be broke.

BTW, any updates on FOX HD & ABC HD on SuddenLink? I'm tired of watching Vanished in non-HD.

November = we could all be broke.

BTW, any updates on FOX HD & ABC HD on SuddenLink? I'm tired of watching Vanished in non-HD.


No doubt, not getting the FOX NFL in HD is BRUTAL ...
So much for that "...they just need some equipment and its ordered .... "

I can't wait for HD to beam locals in HD. I will never have to deal with the cable co. ever again.

I can't believe we are into week 4 of the NFL season and no Fox-HD. This is brutal.


No doubt, not getting the FOX NFL in HD is BRUTAL ...
So much for that "...they just need some equipment and its ordered .... "

I can't wait for HD to beam locals in HD. I will never have to deal with the cable co. ever again.

I can't believe we are into week 4 of the NFL season and no Fox-HD. This is brutal.

Let's just hope it is on before the World Series...I was hoping by the playoffs but they start next week....it is hard to watch Fox after watching ESPNHD baseball.

^ no kidding