hmmm, I turned tha amp off and still had the problem. Anyone have a ref for a good indoor antenna. Im about 19 miles from the towers.

If you have room for that Channel Master Stealthtenna (about 3 feet span), that has been just great for me. I know people have put that inside before.

Originally posted by rs600cubed
Question for everyone: I just bought a sony 42WE655 which has a built in tuner. I live in Stow and tried an OTA antenna and could get 3.1 most of the time, but cant get 5.1, 8.1, 19.1, etc. I am looking into satellite or cable, but Time Warner is almost twice of what Directv is, but Directv told me I have to buy a HD receiver for $299 to even get the HD channels. Is there a way I can get HD with my tuner and spend around $40/ mo???

If you want the HD channels that Directv offers(DiscoveryHD, ESPNHD, HBOHD, etc) then you will have to buy a Directv receiver that is HD capable. Be careful though, Directv is about to begin converting to MPEG4. None of the Directv receivers out right now are MPEG4 capable. If you buy a Directv HD receiver now, you may have to buy another one in a year or two. They are being very tight lipped on their plans. There are numerous threads in the HD Programming forum that discuss this. Another satellite alternative would be VOOM. They have more HD channels than anyone and their HD and SD channel picture quality is better than Directv. I have them and I'm very happy. They are running a $1.00 install deal right now and you don't have to buy a receiver. They will also install an OTA antenna as part of the installation and pretty much guarantee that you get all the local digital channels. Check it out at voom.com
Steve

Originally posted by rs600cubed
hmmm, I turned tha amp off and still had the problem. Anyone have a ref for a good indoor antenna. Im about 19 miles from the towers.

I also live in Stow. I've been successful with the Channel Master Stealthtenna. It's indoors pointed out my front window & I get 5-1, 8-1, 19-1 & sometimes 43-1. This summer I'll move it to the roof.

Chris

thanks for all the replies all!!

Originally posted by davidshay
Do you happened to know the exact frequency for, say, 105-3 ?

Sorry, I can't help you. I can read the channel numbers off the box, but I don't know what frequency. My tuner is an LG LST-3510a. There's no details in the user manual, but you might try their website.

-Chris.

Originally posted by SteveC
Another satellite alternative would be VOOM.


But VOOM has recently been sold, and there is talk that it may go away. There are also numerous topics on this one in the programming forum.

Hi guys, I recently purchased an MDP-130 HDTV PCI tuner. This card lets me tune both QAM and OTA signals. The QAM function is working great and I'm getting tons of adelphia channels. However, I have not had much success with OTA reception.

I live in Shaker Heights, and Antennaweb says that I have ~10 stations that are within 10 miles from my location. I purchased both a Silver Sensor as well as a RS 26db amplified antenna to test them out. Problem is, the only station that I get in clearly is WEWS-DT (ABC) and WJW-DT (FOX) and even those stations only at ~64%. These stations are 9.9 and 10.4 miles from where I live, and the stations that are closer are not coming in at all! The one problem that I see is that I live on the second floor of a 6 story apt. building, and unfortunately there is a 6 story apt building directly in the line of sight for my indoor antennas.

Is anyone else having trouble receiving OTA channels in this area or do you guys think it is my apt building issue? I'll probably end up keeping the RS antenna (has a built-in amplifier) which lets me get FOX in HD which for some reason is not available on my QAM tuning. Between the QAM and OTA I know get ABC, NBC, FOX, and PBS in HD.

Originally posted by Reesh
Is anyone else having trouble receiving OTA channels in this area or do you guys think it is my apt building issue? I'll probably end up keeping the RS antenna (has a built-in amplifier) which lets me get FOX in HD which for some reason is not available on my QAM tuning. Between the QAM and OTA I know get ABC, NBC, FOX, and PBS in HD.

I'm nearly 20 miles from the Parma antenna farm where all the Cleveland-based stations are housed, and I have no problem getting the stations from my second floor loft with a simple indoor antenna. Well, except for WKYC/3, which comes and goes. :D

Adelphia now carries all the local affiliates of the "big four" networks, and PBS. I don't know why you're not getting FOX 8 in HD on QAM. Someone with a QAM tuner will have to help you there. It should be there. The only missing station right now on Adelphia is WUAB/43 (UPN). WBNX/55 (WB) is not transmitting digitally even over the air yet, due to Canadian allocation issues.

I'm guessing the other apartment building isn't helping your situation, if it's between you and the Parma antenna farm.

I see on WKYC's website they're now showing Weather Plus under their streaming forcasts. Anybody have any idea how long it'll be before it makes its way onto their digital OTA stream?

Also, after watching it for a couple of minutes, there is absolutely no way that 3-3 is going to support the video and audio that's being pumped out on the web stream. Unless it'll be a different show when it hits OTA, they're going to HAVE to do away with 3-2 and 3-3 to be able to show this stuff.

But perhaps KYC had some advanced warning (3 years ago) that broadcasting weather plus was going to be a "good business reason" to keep 3-2 around this long. :rolleyes:

It shouldn't be long before Weather Plus hits WKYC-DT. They came to the agreement a month or two ago, I believe.

They'll likely need a LITTLE more bandwidth for it than for the radar. I don't know if they'll give it a full SD channel bandwidth or not, but it would be a plus if they did manage to knock off the 3-2 SD simulcast. Then, even if Weather Plus takes a full SD channel's worth of bandwidth, they would actually gain a little...

I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe that they will kill the SD 3-2 simulcast, tho. :(

Originally posted by Reesh
Hi guys, I recently purchased an MDP-130 HDTV PCI tuner. This card lets me tune both QAM and OTA signals. The QAM function is working great and I'm getting tons of adelphia channels. However, I have not had much success with OTA reception.



Reesh:

When you say you are getting TONS of Adelphia channels, are you referring to Digital Channels on Adelphia? And if so what channels can you receive from Adelphia Digitally?

Thanks

I receive
D85 WKYC
D85 WOIO
D85 WEWS
D85 WUAB
D85 WJW
D83 is 10 different spanish channels
D105 ABCHD
D105 NBCHD
D113 PBSHD
D113 CBSHD

I'm not getting fox in HD, but I have an OTA antenna that gets me fox.
It would be nice to get ESPNHD, and DiscoveryHD, but it seems adelphia is encrypting those.

I was flipping through the HD channels on Adelphia tonight (Shaker Heights). I noticed that the channel guide for inHD showed "Blackout", which is normal when they are showing an NBA game, since Adelphia doesn't have rights to NBA TV. Tonight though, the game was on! (Lakers/Knicks)

Two possibilities:

1. A Mistake (Adelphia??? Nah!)

2. Adelphia now has the rights to show the games

I know that this was something that Adelphia was working towards, but I wonder if they succeeded?

Hmm. Maybe.

Right now, Adephia is passing through the New Orleans/Dallas game on inHD1! They have blacked it out every other time before.

Oh, wait...nevermind. It's NBA TV in HD, and Hornets/Mavericks is just a "look in" to the game (upconverted) in the postgame show. But still, they're running NBA TV, where they never have before.

Is WUAB-DT off? I'm getting NO signal out of them no matter how I orient the antenna, and I usually don't have a problem with them. I also rescanned 28 a couple of times just in case it was a PSIP thing (though 43 did seem to have that in line earlier).

ESPN2HD appeared as scheduled this morning on Adelphia in Cleveland!

Great news. I want to point out to baseball fans that even though it's not on hd ESPN is carrying it's first spring training game this Friday, according to MLB television schedule. I believe it's Dodgers and Braves.

Actually they have a game on tomorrow (the schedule is below). ESPN is showing 13 spring training games, unfortunately none in HD. However, the opening game of the season is on ESPN2HD, in addition to two more games on Monday April 4th, so we got it right on time!

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tvlistings/story?id=1517933

I stand corrected. Now that I think abou it I was at the Dodger site (my team) when I saw that.

Did anyone have to reboot to get ESPN2HD? ;) (hehehe)

Actually, it appears Adelphia forced a reboot last night, even on my 8000HD box. Maybe they learned from the WOIO thing...

Now that ESPN2HD is with us, what's next? Universal HD? (ex-Bravo HD, home of NBC Universal products in HD) TNT-HD?

I'm noticing a rather glaring hole in the channel listings between Discovery HD theatre at 776, and NFL Network HD at 778. That'd be a nice place for either of the above...anything else we're missing at Adelphia/Cleveland?

Originally posted by Inundated
Did anyone have to reboot to get ESPN2HD? ;) (hehehe)

Actually, it appears Adelphia forced a reboot last night, even on my 8000HD box. Maybe they learned from the WOIO thing...

You know what? I didn't get a reboot last night because when I turned my tv on in the morning it wasn't on channel 1. However sometime between 10:00 am and when I turned the set back on at 1:15 pm I got a reboot. I checked for software update but I didn't see any.

ESPN 2 was on my tv this morning, I checked. But I can't think of any reason why they would have rebooted.

Shut my box off in the afternoon and it went to channel 1 when I turned it on again. Every once in a while Adelphia seems to have this happen when everytime you turn your box off it goes to channel 1. I don't think it's rebooting.

Originally posted by Inundated
Is WUAB-DT off? I'm getting NO signal out of them no matter how I orient the antenna, and I usually don't have a problem with them. I also rescanned 28 a couple of times just in case it was a PSIP thing (though 43 did seem to have that in line earlier).

If it still matters, I'm getting WUAB OTA tonight.

Originally posted by ajstan99
If it still matters, I'm getting WUAB OTA tonight.

43-1's booming in tonight. It WAS off when I posted, tho.

Here's a thought for the future, though probably not the rest of this season: Cavaliers in HD?

If you've been following the news, you know that the local NBA team has been sold to Detroit businessman Dan Gilbert's ownership group.

I heard part of the press conference today, and Gilbert noted his experience in high-tech...he owns the online mortgage broker Quicken Loans...and said he'd bring more technology-related initiatives to the team.

While he did not mention broadcasting the Cavs games in HD, I wouldn't be surprised if that shows up on his radar for next season. There aren't any plans right now, as far as I know, for either FSN Ohio or WUAB. But WUAB, at least, is capable of broadcasting in HD...if it's only sending out UPN's limited HD offerings at this point.

Just a thought in the back of my head. I'm thinking of dropping the Cavaliers a line about it at some point...

I was listening to Mike Trivissano on WTAM talk with Dan Gilbert as I was driving home in a blizzard yesterday evening. It sounds like Dan my be looking to follow in Mark Cuban's footsteps (I hope). His first change to the arena will be a new scoreboard and a ring of LCD/LED video displays around the arena. He did mention High Definition as a future upgrade and it seems that he will look for "state of the art" technology for each upgrade. He has a "Build it and they will come" attitude. I hope the talk was not all the typical cheer-leading of a new owner. Time will tell.

Ray

Originally posted by hookbill
Shut my box off in the afternoon and it went to channel 1 when I turned it on again. Every once in a while Adelphia seems to have this happen when everytime you turn your box off it goes to channel 1. I don't think it's rebooting. Adelphia sets their cable boxes to power-up at channel 1 whenever they have a new announcement posted there. If there's no news, they set the box to power-up at whatever channel you were on when you powered-off. It's just a simple way to make sure we get to see the announcements - after all, when else would you deliberately tune to channel 1? So it's not a bug or a side-effect, it's a deliberate feature! <g>

Originally posted by Jim Gilliland
Adelphia sets their cable boxes to power-up at channel 1 whenever they have a new announcement posted there. If there's no news, they set the box to power-up at whatever channel you were on when you powered-off. It's just a simple way to make sure we get to see the announcements - after all, when else would you deliberately tune to channel 1? So it's not a bug or a side-effect, it's a deliberate feature! <g>

Oh I figured it was deliberate, but I don't think they do it for every announcement - but I might be wrong.

What is strange is what they consider important to announce. WOIO in HD, ESPN 2 in HD....Those are what I consider a big deal. Some station I've never heard of and probably never will look at changes it's name and that's important to them!

Go figure.

My favorite is the announcements about some crummy weekend event where they're giving out T-shirts or something. But two major additions to their HD lineup? Nah!

Re: Cavs in HD - yeah, that's where I got the idea...Dan Gilbert was saying the same things in his press conference earlier that day. I'm going to drop him a line as a Cavs fan and occasional single-game ticket buyer.

Has anyone noticed Survivor on WOIO tonight, my audio is 3-5 seconds behind the video. All other OTA Digital channels are fine! Survivor on Dish Network is fine! Just WOIO Digital.

Seems to be fixed now!

Someone posted this on the ESPN2HD thread on the Programming board...a response from Adelphia in Pittsburgh, after he noted to them that we have ESPN2HD up here:

"Currently Adelphia is testing ESPN2 HD in small pockets of Cleveland. We are assisting ESPN2 with a beta test for their equipment. Once the beta test is complete we will be adding it to the HD channel line up. I do not have a date as to when we can expect this to happen. I have forwarded your channel request to the local system to let them know that there is a demand for this service."

So, for the thread...is anyone on Adelphia NOT getting ESPN2HD? I was under the impression it went live March 1st systemwide, at least on the main system out of Lakeside. Are the Western Reserve folks (hubbed out of Macedonia) getting it, too?

Heh! Sounds like a canned response to me. Between where you live and where I live that pretty much covers the spectrum, doesn't it?

Originally posted by thopkin1
Has anyone noticed Survivor on WOIO tonight, my audio is 3-5 seconds behind the video. All other OTA Digital channels are fine! Survivor on Dish Network is fine! Just WOIO Digital.
We had the same thing (OTA thru HDR-250) for the first part of the show. We were watching on a slight Tivo delay which made me wonder at first if it was the Tivo or not, but it appeared WOIO was just having problems. Made it tough to watch in parts...

Originally posted by hookbill
Heh! Sounds like a canned response to me. Between where you live and where I live that pretty much covers the spectrum, doesn't it?

Well, from Bainbridge/Aurora to the old Northampton Township area...yeah, that's a pretty far stretch. Not to mention Shaker Heights!

Doesn't sound like "small pockets" to me. And what would they have to "beta test"?

Nothing. They're just not ready for Pittsburgh yet and they came up with canned response that's quite frankly got bs in the can.:)

ESPN HD is not on right now. I was watching the Dodger game and poof...gone. Anybody else having problems?

Is adelphia resetting their digital channel settings? My QAM channels are all F'ed up right now

Something is wrong with digital WOIO. Sound is really messed up. HD WOIO is fine. ESPN is still down.

No problems with WOIO on 4, 704 or anywhere else. ESPN 28 and ESPNHD 772 is fine.

But you knew I'd say that. ;)

Oh, analog WOIO on 804 is fine, too.

Originally posted by Inundated
No problems with WOIO on 4, 704 or anywhere else. ESPN 28 and ESPNHD 772 is fine.

But you knew I'd say that. ;)

Well, yeah when it takes you 4 hours to respond. Let's check our email a little more often, OK.:)

Actually the audio problem is still going on, at least in my area on adelphia channels 3, 4, 5, and 8 (digital). WUAB digital is not experiencing this problem.

This may be because I have my system hooked up to home theater system and something is not coming through correctly. It sounds muffeled. All HD channels are fine and analog channel sounds are fine too.

I don't know if I want to report it to Adelphia at this time. I may wait until Monday. Anybody else (other then Inundated with HTS experiencing any issues with these channels?

Edited to add: I just got off the phone with Adelphia where the csr told me that the digital channels are on the 800's and the analog were on the lower channels.:D I didn't feel like arguing with this idiot but her response was that they are still experimenting with the digital/analog channels and so long as one or the other is working that is all that matters.

I'm still wondering if anyone else is experiencing an audio problem on 3,4,5 and 8.

I am having problems on those channels as well. No sound from R speaker. Just noticed that a few minutes ago.

This may be a thing related to you folks using HT systems. I'm just watching in plain old stereo on my TV's built-in speakers.

Hookbill, when you call 'em back, you might want to make clear that you're using a HT system. They're probably just using regular TVs like I am. Just tell them "the digital local channels" and don't bother trying to explain to them that the digital channels are remapped to the lower ones. ;) They don't know it, and they probably never will.

Nope, not going to call them back. There answer was clear, so long as one of them is working correctly their not going to do anything.

I'll probably contact my Adelphia person on Monday.

Adelphia is sometimes run by mice on a treadmill, it appears. :D

One can only hope we'll learn the status of the local systems soon, and if TWC or Comcast is going to buy them.

According to the Weather Plus page on wkyc.com, Weather Plus will begin on TWC digital cable channel 522 on Monday the 7th. Not quite hdtv news, but I know a bunch of people on here are on TWC.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
According to the Weather Plus page on wkyc.com, Weather Plus will begin on TWC digital cable channel 522 on Monday the 7th. Not quite hdtv news, but I know a bunch of people on here are on TWC.

Interested to see how this channel looks on 3-3 ota... radar still showing today.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
According to the Weather Plus page on wkyc.com, Weather Plus will begin on TWC digital cable channel 522 on Monday the 7th. Not quite hdtv news, but I know a bunch of people on here are on TWC.

Betsy Kling mentioned this on the 11pm newscast last night. I had the sound turned down at first and didn't catch the whole thing, but it seems she never said "those of you with digital OTA receivers can watch Weather Plus on channel 3-3" -- all she talked about was being able to watch it on TWC 522 ???

Kind of sad if they don't even recognize that there are *any* digital OTA viewers out there....

Is it just me or is 3-2 just as bad as ever with severe macroblocking with any kind of motion. Who watches this channel? It's unwatchable. IIRC it really took a dump right after the Olympics when they reallocated bandwidth.

Originally posted by paule123
Kind of sad if they don't even recognize that there are *any* digital OTA viewers out there....


This is right off of the Weather Plus (http://www.wkyc.com/weather/plus/) website:


Where can I watch?
You can now watch on wkyc.com.

It will be on Time Warner digital cable (Channel 522) beginning Monday, March 7th. We will have more details soon.

Other local cable companies will begin carrying it on their digital tier shortly.

I don't have digital cable -- Can I still watch Weather Plus?
Yes. If you have the latest Windows Media Player and a high-speed connection, you can watch on wkyc.com.

Additionally, if you have a digital tuner on your television, you'll be able to watch Weather Plus.


So, yeah, at least they acknowledge we exist. Last... but at least we're there. :rolleyes:

And I love the last sentence. "If you have a digital tuner on your television, you'll be able to watch Weather plus." Unless they drop 3-2 completely, that statement will surely hold to be untrue.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
And I love the last sentence. "If you have a digital tuner on your television, you'll be able to watch Weather plus." Unless they drop 3-2 completely, that statement will surely hold to be untrue.

IMHO, we're nowhere near the time where local stations are going to refer to digital subchannels by number on the air. People will get confused. ;)

I wonder if they ARE going to drop 3-2...and how are they feeding it now to TWC if it's not on WKYC-DT yet? Fiber?

Two notes about "Weather Plus":

* The WMP feed is 152Kbps. I'm not sure if that means anything when translated to how much bandwidth it'll take on the DT channel.

* The nationally-generated local radar and map shots - not the ones the Channel 3 weather folks insert in their local shots - are focused WAY too north, and the bottom edge cuts off downtown Akron and lower Summit/Portage/Medina counties (and all of the Canton area). Instead, we're treated to all of Lake Erie and nearly all of Southern Ontario in the radar and maps. I have complained about this in E-mail to WKYC's Mark Nolan.. .we'll see if they're able to do anything about this.

Update: the main local radar shot in that sequence has kicked back down into proper placement...there's another one that still cuts off Akron.

Originally posted by Inundated
I wonder if they ARE going to drop 3-2...and how are they feeding it now to TWC if it's not on WKYC-DT yet? Fiber?

So if WP is now live on TWC, that shoots the theory that 3-2 is required for cable distribution of an SD digital feed. So much for that "good business reason" theory.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
So if WP is now live on TWC, that shoots the theory that 3-2 is required for cable distribution of an SD digital feed. So much for that "good business reason" theory.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Well, maybe and maybe not. I would guess they have fiber feeds to the major systems in the market (TWC, Adelphia, Cox, Comcast), but they may claim to use 3-2 for feeding outlying independent cable systems.

Still, it's kinda silly, since the above four operators cover probably 95% of the cable homes in this market.

I'm not getting any sound on WJW HD via Adelphia. OTA, cable people are you receiving this station ok?

Originally posted by Inundated
but they may claim to use 3-2 for feeding outlying independent cable systems.


This is VHF channel 2 we're talking about here. There's no such thing as an outlying area within the broadcast range of 3-2. I would hazard a guess that the big 3 (or 4) cable systems in the area cover 99.9% of the possible viewership of the channel.

Plus, are there any outlying systems (other than maybe Armstrong in Medina) that have a digital tier? And even if there were outling systems, the subchannel itself would be unwatchable and unusable.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
This is VHF channel 2 we're talking about here. There's no such thing as an outlying area within the broadcast range of 3-2. I would hazard a guess that the big 3 (or 4) cable systems in the area cover 99.9% of the possible viewership of the channel.

Plus, are there any outlying systems (other than maybe Armstrong in Medina) that have a digital tier? And even if there were outling systems, the subchannel itself would be unwatchable and unusable.

Oh, I generally agree with you, but that's about the only reason I'd see for them to have 3-2 up at all. (And remember, cable systems have much larger antennas than you and I have. ;) )

We could be talking about systems like Armstrong, like Massillon Cable, and the small handful of other independents out there (is Wooster still Clear Picture?).

Other than that, I don't see why they have "business reasons" to have 3-2.

Originally posted by hookbill
I'm not getting any sound on WJW HD via Adelphia. OTA, cable people are you receiving this station ok?

Nearly 2 hours after your post...

Watching WJW right now on 708, and they're not in HD for some reason! Upconverted pillarboxed SD even for the live stuff. Maybe they have some technical problems with the HD equipment. We'll see if we get FOX in HD this evening...

I have my 8000HD set up to record the WJW local newscasts, so I'll check and see later when it happened.

WJW-DT OTA is the same...local news is upconverted SD. I don't know if the problem is their local HD equipment, or if we'll see the same when the network comes up.

EDIT: I just checked the recording. HD and no sound until about 5:10 or so, then they switched to upconverted SD, still no sound. In the middle of a break at about 5:15 or so, they finally kicked the sound in on the upconverted SD.

The noon show was in HD with sound.

I have been reading the last few comments on the new weather plus. I have two integrated OTA HDTV's. Channel 3-1 is network feed, 3-2 is the new weather plus and 3-3 is the local radar. All three are coming in great.

My biggest problems are with 19.1 and the lack of WVIZ in digital. Of course I can watch the Toledo HD channels when the weather is right. I am 20 miles east of Cleveland and North east of the Parma antenna farm. I do not have any cable system since I use a master receiver (C and KU Band 4dtv plus MPEG). So all those cable numbers mean nothing to me. Audio tends to be awesome on some programs and down right good on most.

Originally posted by Inundated
We could be talking about systems like Armstrong, like Massillon Cable, and the small handful of other independents out there (is Wooster still Clear Picture?).


I have Massillon Cable. Most people in Western Stark county, and over to Wayne county have Massillon cable or Clear Picture (also owned by Massillon cable).

I don't know where they get the feed for channel 3 from. I always thought it was from an antenna on their huge tower, but maybe not.

Interestingly, our HDTV service has been good. We have the Motorola two tuner HDTV DVRs, that are very nice. The one major local HD feed they do not carry is channel 3's!

We do get:

601 HDNet
602 HDNet Movies
603 WNEO
604 WOIO
605 WEWS
606 ESPN-HD
607 Discovery HD Theatre
608 WJW

We do not have HD HBO, Stars, WKYC NBC, WUAB, WBNX, ESPN2 HD, TNT, or PPV.


http://www.massilloncabletv.com/index.html

http://www.cpiwooster.com/index.html

FOX 8 NEWS....Now Broadcasting in High Definition.

But not this morning.:) Interesting because they are still using the above promo anyway.

I tried to call but got directed to a voice mail.

Originally posted by jhelmoreii
Channel 3-1 is network feed, 3-2 is the new weather plus and 3-3 is the local radar. All three are coming in great.

Thanks jhelmoreii, I think you're the first person to explain the new WKYC digital OTA channel lineup correctly -- I just checked out WKYC on the OTA receiver and sure enough they are using 3-2 for the Weather Plus now. Now it all makes sense and I'll have to stop my KYC-bashing, LOL. Hopefully they have reduced the amount of bandwidth for Weather Plus to a point where 3-1 improves.

Now the question is - isn't 3-3 weather radar sort of redundant now? I can still complain about the few bits of bandwidth they're wasting there, can't I ? :D

Originally posted by paule123
- I just checked out WKYC on the OTA receiver and sure enough they are using 3-2 for the Weather Plus now.


Hey you're right. 3-2 is now Weather Plus. Although the guide data still shows the same as 3-1.

Move over Weather Channel.... there's a new radar in town... ^_^

Originally posted by hookbill
FOX 8 NEWS....Now Broadcasting in High Definition.

But not this morning.:) Interesting because they are still using the above promo anyway.

I tried to call but got directed to a voice mail.

I assume that whatever broke, it's a part they have to get from elsewhere or something...

FOX network programming last night was in full HD and had sound, so it must be local studio equipment.

Originally posted by paule123
Now it all makes sense and I'll have to stop my KYC-bashing, LOL.

Nah, we've got to have something to complain about! :D

I only had a couple of minutes this morning to check it out, but 3-2 was coming in rock solid in Medina. I'm not sure if it was weather related (there was a strong northerly wind this morning), but all three channels were coming in about 98% strength for me. 3-1 did look good, although it was a stretch of the Today Show, I think. It was hard to say if the actual bandwidth was increased, but there were no blocks or dropouts from what I could see.

But, overall, if this continues, I think I may have a new favorite HD station in Cleveland. Thanks KYC!

I'm thinking that WKYC is using less bandwidth for Weather Plus on 3-2 than they were for the SD simulcast. It requires more than the radar on 3-3 (which is basically taking nothing), but not as much as a full-frame moving 480i cast does.

Originally posted by Inundated
I assume that whatever broke, it's a part they have to get from elsewhere or something...

FOX network programming last night was in full HD and had sound, so it must be local studio equipment.

Our HD master Control Switcher went south - we're waiting for a replacement (due 3/9) to arrive.

Thanks very much for the update and welcome to the forum. Your comments will be much appreciated.
Steve

Originally posted by WJW Engineer
Our HD master Control Switcher went south - we're waiting for a replacement (due 3/9) to arrive.

Making the broad assumption here that the name is correct...

Welcome to the forum! You're the second member of a local TV station's engineering staff to show up here...we had someone from WVIZ a while back.

Thanks for the response, and the very quick update...

Watching WKYC's "Weather Plus" on WKYC DT 3-2. The picture actually looks a little better than the SD simulcast that used to be on 3-2...though I suspect some of that is because the fairly static weather graphics on the left side and bottom do not require much bandwidth.

It's actually a pretty decent service. I'd check it out often, if I didn't have to contort my body and indoor antenna to get a decent signal out of WKYC-DT (LOW BAND HELL STRIKES AGAIN!). I wonder if Adelphia will throw it on a digital channel like TWC has.

A rescan of WKYC-DT on my OTA reciever changed the 3-2 name from WKYC-SD to WKYC-WX.

I wonder how often they update it with the local Channel 3 weathercasters' cut-ins? It looks to me like they do it about every 4-6 hours or so.

FOX 8 News is back in HD tonight. Either that part arrived early, or they whapped the thing on the side or something a la Fonzie in Happy Days.

Heyyyyyyy!

Hey Inundated wanted to let you know I emailed the Station Manager at CBS19 regarding that Masters HD PM I left you yesterday. When/if I get a reply I will post it here and let you all know.

Not HD, but digital:

Anyone out there with a non-HD Adelphia digital box? I'm not getting sound from the digital locals (3, 4 (CBS), 5, 8), on my non-HD digital TV. If I go to the 800's, the sound is fine...

Originally posted by jtscherne
Not HD, but digital:

Anyone out there with a non-HD Adelphia digital box? I'm not getting sound from the digital locals (3, 4 (CBS), 5, 8), on my non-HD digital TV. If I go to the 800's, the sound is fine...

geeze, jtschetne...where you been? I was talking about that last week. Look at the previous posts.:)

Originally posted by Inundated
FOX 8 News is back in HD tonight. Either that part arrived early, or they whapped the thing on the side or something a la Fonzie in Happy Days.

Heyyyyyyy!

Well, the part must have broken because it's not on HD this morning.

Inundated since you don't have an HD set how do you know if it's in HD?

OK. I have two co-workers who recently got HD DVRs from Adelphia. Both have questions/issues.

Co-worker #1:
Received 2 HD DVRs from Adelphia Cleveland. They have 1 SD, and 1 HD, TV. The SD TV's box has static lines, and the DVR was clicking. I thought that you couldn't use the HD DVR on an SD TV.

Co-worker #2:
Complaining about crappy picture on non-HD channels from Adelphia in Medina county. I was gonna walk him through setting his aspect ratios, etc. But, is Adelphia running SARA or Passport?

I'm assuming that Adelphia is still running the SA8000HD (or 8010HD).

Frank

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fpo701
OK. I have two co-workers who recently got HD DVRs from Adelphia. Both have questions/issues.

Co-worker #1:
Received 2 HD DVRs from Adelphia Cleveland. They have 1 SD, and 1 HD, TV. The SD TV's box has static lines, and the DVR was clicking. I thought that you couldn't use the HD DVR on an SD TV.

According to Innundated you can. You just don't get a true HD picture because the set can only do 480i.

Co-worker #2:
Complaining about crappy picture on non-HD channels from Adelphia in Medina county. I was gonna walk him through setting his aspect ratios, etc. But, is Adelphia running SARA or Passport?

I'm assuming that Adelphia is still running the SA8000HD (or 8010HD).

Adelphis is running SARA. But chances are he will still get a crummy picture on non hd channels. If he got a new box it's probably the SA 8300.

Originally posted by hookbill
...a crummy picture on non hd channels ....SA 8300.[/B] [/B]

I thought the 8300 was supposed to fix the crappy picture problems on SD.

I know that Passport can have multiple output resolutions. I have mine set to do 480i, 480p, and 1080i. That allows my SD channels to diplay at 480p, and gives a better picture. Can SARA do the same thing?

Originally posted by fpo701
I thought the 8300 was supposed to fix the crappy picture problems on SD.

I know that Passport can have multiple output resolutions. I have mine set to do 480i, 480p, and 1080i. That allows my SD channels to diplay at 480p, and gives a better picture. Can SARA do the same thing?

Yes, you do it in the initial set up. If your friend had Adelphia do it they would have just set it to 1080i, so you probably want to walk them through that.

Heres how: 1) WALK UP TO THE BOX, Turn off power, then press both the GUIDE and INFO buttons at the same time
2) Choose Easy or Advanced setup - Easy selects 480i and 1080i outputs only - Advanced allows TV type (4X3 VS. 16X9) and user selected outputs
3) Follow instructions on the screen to set your output resolutions - READ carefully in advanced mode- If the screen goes blank, it is showing a resolution your TV does not support and you have to disable that output. It will cycle through all resolutions for 30 seconds each if no user input is given.

The bad picture looks somewhat better on the 8300. Now that channels they have digital on the network channels that improves the picture tremendously, but there are still problems with many of the other non hd channels that are in analog.

A tech from Adelphia came by and told me what my problem was before I finished. He said he had someone else in Westlake with the same problem. He said he thought it was only on that side of town but because I have it too it must be everywhere.

He reported it and said now that they have enough complaints maybe they will fix it.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by hookbill
Well, the part must have broken because it's not on HD this morning.

Inundated since you don't have an HD set how do you know if it's in HD?

Grrrrrr! :D

I am watching HDTV. OK, so I'm watching it at downconverted 480i on a component cable to my analog TV, but I'm watching it already!!! :D

You can obviously tell the difference on my setup. For one, HD means widescreen, and if you watch in letterbox mode, even by that it's quite clear that they're running the HD broadcast.

For another, the picture quality does improve. It's not a GIANT improvement on my 480i set vs. the already pretty good digital quality of FOX 8's upconverted feed, but it's still somewhat noticeable.

So yes, I can tell when I'm watching HD. Grrrr! ;)

It's like looking at a still digital picture at 640x480 resolution. If the original picture was taken at something like 2300x1900 or something, and converted down to 640x480, it looks significantly better than a picture that was originally taken at 640x480, because there's a lot more picture information in the original at the higher resolution.

THAT'S what is happening with my set.

As far as outputting the 8000HD to 480i, it's pretty much the same process hookbill describes for the 8300HD as far as I know.

Dude, calm down. I'm sure you'll get a HD tv someday....:D :D :D

Originally posted by hookbill
Dude, calm down. I'm sure you'll get a HD tv someday....:D :D :D

Can't afford one, now...too much other stuff I gotta buy! :o

I did answer your question, though, didn't I? :)

The sound is working again on the non-HD digital channels. This is Adelphia at its worst. Report a problem and they either don't believe its a problem, or send out a tech for no good reason...

Thanks for being persistent, hookbill!


Originally posted by hookbill
A tech from Adelphia came by and told me what my problem was before I finished. He said he had someone else in Westlake with the same problem. He said he thought it was only on that side of town but because I have it too it must be everywhere.

He reported it and said now that they have enough complaints maybe they will fix it.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jtscherne
The sound is working again on the non-HD digital channels. This is Adelphia at its worst. Report a problem and they either don't believe its a problem, or send out a tech for no good reason...

Thanks for being persistent, hookbill!

My favorite is the time there was a problem, and it took Hookbill to go down to the local Adelphia office and get them to turn on their own TV. ;)

No problem guys. One thing I forgot to mention is when I was talking with the tech about the channels the sound problem was on he said, "oh on the digital channels."

At least the techs know the digital channels are on the lower channel numbers and analog is on the 800's. Now if they could just teach their CSR'S.:)

Originally posted by hookbill
At least the techs know the digital channels are on the lower channel numbers and analog is on the 800's. Now if they could just teach their CSR'S.:)

Yeah, but it'll confuse them. I mean, if you're running an analog feed without a box, are the lower channels still the digital versions? :o

Anybody else all-but lose KYC last night and this morning OTA? I was getting signal strength of about 98% earlier in the week when they introduced Weather Plus, and it stayed consistent until last night. Now it's running about 10%, and I can't get a solid lock.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
Anybody else all-but lose KYC last night and this morning OTA? I was getting signal strength of about 98% earlier in the week when they introduced Weather Plus, and it stayed consistent until last night. Now it's running about 10%, and I can't get a solid lock.

Has been fine here OTA for the last few days, including last night and this morning. Signal strength 95-100% on Fusion HD card.

It's back up to about 80% here. It started to come back up with the daylight today. It always amazes me just how prone to the atmospheric and natural conditions the low VHF channels are. Fox's digital and WEWS are both fine and steady 24/7. But channel 2? It'll never be right, I guess.

I guess now I can keep complaining about KYC even though they've fixed the useless 3-2 issue. ;)

My OTA STB doesn't have a numeric indicator, but WKYC-DT is coming in at about 50-60% this afternoon, enough for a pretty solid lock.

We'll keep complaining about them until they get off low-band VHF! ;)

Hey Flatiron - I (just now) noticed that you're in western Medina County. What kind of antenna do you have set up? Are you running any kind of an amp?

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
Hey Flatiron - I (just now) noticed that you're in western Medina County. What kind of antenna do you have set up? Are you running any kind of an amp?

Just a Channel Master Stealth Antenna, mounted outdoors on a storage shed in my backyard about 9-10 ft high. The output is split 3 ways, feeding a D* HD-TiVo, a Fusion HDTV3 card in my PC, and an analog TV.

I have an amp for the stealth, but have not installed it because things seem to work OK without it. I can get all the Cleveland DT stations rock-solid (except WVIZ of course - not a trace of them), plus WEAO with about 65-70% (enough for a solid lock) - even with the antenna pointed more towards Cleveland.

The Stealth was originally in my attic, but I couldn't get WKYC reliably before moving it outside.

I'm in northeastern Litchfield, on high ground with a pretty clear shot at the Parma transmiiters - with just cheap rabbit ears, I can get an adequate signal on everything except WKYC (only 20-30% and no lock).

Any subscribers from the South Euclid area? I may be relocating in the next few months and I'd be interested in discussing your success in picking up the local stations OTA.

Thanks!

Did the WJW-DT OTA signal go dead today for you guys? Usually it's one of my better performers, but all day today the signal has been <30% (e.g. no picture) for me. Even WKYC is better today than usual (70% as opposed to its usual 50%).

35 minutes after your post...WJW-DT is blowing off the doors for me with nearly full signal OTA.

I'm in Northwest Akron.

WKYC-DT is a notch better than it has been, still a full lock for me right now.

WJW OTA was also out for me earlier today. Working fine now.

Anyone else having trouble with Ch. 5-1 tonight? I Tivo'd Boston Legal & it was plagued by audio dropouts. I finally switched to an SD feed, missing ~15 minutes of show since it was unwatchable in HD.

So is it WEWS or am I just getting awful reception tonight?

Originally posted by DaMavs
Anyone else having trouble with Ch. 5-1 tonight? I Tivo'd Boston Legal & it was plagued by audio dropouts. I finally switched to an SD feed, missing ~15 minutes of show since it was unwatchable in HD.

So is it WEWS or am I just getting awful reception tonight?

Ditto here, for the little while I was watching them anyway. OTA signal is strong at 90-100%, but video and audio dropouts, freezes, etc. Ch. 5-1 seems to have more than their share of HD problems on weekends for some reason.

I've noticed this problem on WEWS-DT the past couple of days or so, both on Adelphia cable and OTA.

I've noticed the same with WEWS-DT as well. The signal strength, according to my Sammy SIR-TS160, is 100% and yet picture and sound are affected. Bedford area here.

Thanks for the replies concerning my question on WJW-DT. I now get a 100% signal. I had to adjust my internal antenna literally millimeters to get it. Unfortunately, this causes me to lose Channel 19. I hardly ever watch it anyway, so no great loss. (Before you suggest I buy an external antenna, please know that I am holding out for DirecTV's new satellite launches so that I might be able to get HD locals. :) This is despite living only 13 miles from the Parma towers, atop a hill--unfortunately, lots of trees.)

Originally posted by neuronbob
Thanks for the replies concerning my question on WJW-DT. I now get a 100% signal. I had to adjust my internal antenna literally millimeters to get it. Unfortunately, this causes me to lose Channel 19. I hardly ever watch it anyway, so no great loss. (Before you suggest I buy an external antenna, please know that I am holding out for DirecTV's new satellite launches so that I might be able to get HD locals. :) This is despite living only 13 miles from the Parma towers, atop a hill--unfortunately, lots of trees.)

I'm a few miles down the road in northwest Akron, and roughly 20 miles from the Parma antenna farm...and also with an indoor antenna. Same deal. Sometimes if I nudge the thing JUST a bit, it'll become somewhat stronger on one station, but weaker on another. And the fact that WOIO-DT is on a VHF channel doesn't help!

Looks like the weather radar subchannel 3-3 is gone. Just 3-1 and Weather Plus on 3-2.

Also, on 5-1 I'm seeing 100% signal but no picture or sound at all.

Funny, I was just about to post the same thing, flatiron! It sure beats the radar channel (3-3) even though it has commercials. It's strange that they only advertise Weather Plus' being on Time Warner cable...this is a chance for them to crow about being HD like WJW does with its

Inundated, I'm in the Bedford area, so I'm not too far from you--where I am is about 1/2 way between downtown Cleveland and downtown Akron.

Originally posted by neuronbob
Funny, I was just about to post the same thing, flatiron! It sure beats the radar channel (3-3) even though it has commercials. It's strange that they only advertise Weather Plus' being on Time Warner cable...this is a chance for them to crow about being HD like WJW does with its


I guess they figure no one is watching the OTA digital. However, every 15 minutes, there's a "WKYC-DT" ID in the upper-left corner of the screen, even on the internet feed! - I assume it would be on the cable feed as well.

I do believe HD PQ on 3-1 is somewhat improved with 3-3 gone - I wonder how much bandwidth was freed up.

WEWS-DT is still off. My HD-Tivo says "no signal", and my Fusion card indicates "100% signal", but nothing there. I'm curious - is anyone getting them on HD cable ?

Now 3-3 is showing another version of 3-1. I miss the radar.

Originally posted by flatiron
I guess they figure no one is watching the OTA digital. However, every 15 minutes, there's a "WKYC-DT" ID in the upper-left corner of the screen, even on the internet feed! - I assume it would be on the cable feed as well.

I do believe HD PQ on 3-1 is somewhat improved with 3-3 gone - I wonder how much bandwidth was freed up.

WEWS-DT is still off. My HD-Tivo says "no signal", and my Fusion card indicates "100% signal", but nothing there. I'm curious - is anyone getting them on HD cable ?

In order:

I did a full rescan of all channels. The rescan dropped 3-3 for WKYC-DT, so it looks like they've pared down to 3-1 and 3-2. (Good for them!)

The rescan dropped WEWS-DT from my list. It is showing full signal, but not scanning into the OTA receiver. It's also missing, by the way, from Adelphia's 705. So, they're having major problems, it seems clear.

WOIO-DT was also showing with full signal but no lock, but the rescan cleared that. WOIO-DT is now showing program info via PSIP.

The rescan also dropped WUAB-DT from my list...it's not pushing out ANY signal on DT 28. But that's not surprising...it's happened on and off for the past week or so.

Originally posted by Tom in OH
Now 3-3 is showing another version of 3-1. I miss the radar.

You might need to rescan. 3-3 is now off the WKYC-DT subchannel list for me after the rescan.

Oh, about the WKYC-DT showing up on Weather Plus...it's a legal ID. I only noticed it at the top of the hour. Note that when the logo changes to the WKYC-DT logo, the Cleveland weather conditions are always under it. That's a sneaky "WKYC-DT Cleveland" legal ID graphic! ;)

Originally posted by Inundated

The rescan also dropped WUAB-DT from my list...it's not pushing out ANY signal on DT 28. But that's not surprising...it's happened on and off for the past week or so. [/B]

They were there OK Monday evening, but I think they sign the DT off at midnight.

Well, I don't know about all this stuff with WKYC and their OTA radar, but I think they need to pay attention to their regular broadcast. Law & Order: CI was in lovely stretch-o-vision for the first 45 minutes then it finally clicked into HD.

Originally posted by Inundated
You might need to rescan. 3-3 is now off the WKYC-DT subchannel list for me after the rescan.

3-3 is showing another version of 3-1 again today. I can't tell if there's a difference but maybe it's an SD version similar to what 3-2 used to be.

I just got this off the 8300 DVR thread. Lucky Comcast people!:mad:

http://www.thestreet.com/_mktwrm/st...=FREE&cm_ite=NA

TiVo Snares Comcast Deal

By TSC Staff
3/15/2005 9:37 AM EST

Comcast (CMCSA:Nasdaq - commentary - research) agreed Tuesday to develop a new digital video recorder with TiVo (TIVO:Nasdaq - commentary - research).

Financial terms of the nonexclusive deal weren't disclosed, but news of the agreement sent TiVo rocketing 54% early Tuesday.

The new service will be marketed with the TiVo brand, and is expected to be available on Comcast's DVR products in most markets in mid-to-late 2006, the companies said. Comcast said the partnership will provide millions of its customers with "the opportunity to choose the TiVo service, including TiVo's award-winning user interface and features like Season Pass and WishList, as an additional option."

TiVo licenses digital video recording technology to set-top box manufacturers and offers subscriptions to its digital television guide. Comcast is the nation's largest cable television system operator.

The good news comes as a tonic for TiVo, which has suffered a number of setbacks lately, namely the decision of onetime partner DirecTV (DTV:NYSE - commentary - research) to use a DVR made by a News Corp. (NWS:NYSE - commentary - research) affiliate at the expense of the TiVo service.

As a result TiVo shares have been hammered over the last year, falling from about $12 to recent levels. Bears on the stock say the TiVo DVR is threatened by competing recorders, particularly those sold by cable and satellite television companies.

Early Tuesday, TiVo surged $2.08 to $5.91, while Comcast added a nickel to $34.04.

I hope TWC comes up with a similar deal...as it's likely that TWC will own the Adelphia systems by the time that comes out. ;)

About time!

Originally posted by Tom in OH
3-3 is showing another version of 3-1 again today. I can't tell if there's a difference but maybe it's an SD version similar to what 3-2 used to be.

Are you sure it's not your receiver?

I just rescanned, and it only picked up 3-1 and 3-2.

WUAB-DT is back. (They shut off at midnight regularly???)

WEWS-DT is still not working, either OTA or on Adelphia cable.

Originally posted by Tom in OH
3-3 is showing another version of 3-1 again today. I can't tell if there's a difference but maybe it's an SD version similar to what 3-2 used to be.

My HD-TiVo does the same thing, but there is no 3-3 really being broadcast, as verified by my Fusion card. I think this is because DirecTV is still sending out guide data for 3-3 so the receiver is "confused", but what's showing as 3-3 is just 3-1 again, as it's obviously HD.

Originally posted by Inundated
WUAB-DT is back. (They shut off at midnight regularly???)

WEWS-DT is still not working, either OTA or on Adelphia cable.

Better be fixed before "Alias":)

EDIT: Seriously, it must be some kind of major transmitter failure, as when it was still sort-of working a couple of days ago, there were dropouts on the local stretch-o-vision upconvert as well as the network HD (which is the usual case).

Just checked my DVR guide. Fortunately I'm not watching anything on ABC tonight.:)

For what it's worth, digital SD WEWS on Adelphia channel 5 is fine.

That's likely because it is sourced from a fiber optic feed from WEWS to Adelphia. I wonder if they could send the DT/HD feed down the line, too? Or a new line? It appears Adelphia picks up all the DT stations off air now.

Originally posted by flatiron
My HD-TiVo does the same thing, but there is no 3-3 really being broadcast, as verified by my Fusion card. I think this is because DirecTV is still sending out guide data for 3-3 so the receiver is "confused", but what's showing as 3-3 is just 3-1 again, as it's obviously HD.

By jove, I think you've got it.

Originally posted by Inundated
For what it's worth, digital SD WEWS on Adelphia channel 5 is fine.

Ditto for the SD feed on D*, as well as the OTA analog signal.

Originally posted by flatiron
My HD-TiVo does the same thing, but there is no 3-3 really being broadcast, as verified by my Fusion card. I think this is because DirecTV is still sending out guide data for 3-3 so the receiver is "confused", but what's showing as 3-3 is just 3-1 again, as it's obviously HD.

That must be it (receiver confused), -- Inundated was right. Now the question is -- Where is the bandwidth previously used for the radar?

Has anyone ping'd WOIO-DT to find out what their policy will be this year on the NCAA coverage? The reason I ask is that although there will be LOTS more HD games (including the ones out of Cleveland Convo Center), some of the bigger games (the No. 1 seeds, for example) are not on the HD list for Thu-Fri. I'm hoping they cover as much HD as possible on 10-1 and let the analog side go with the more popular games if a conflict exists.

NCAA First Round HD/SD Viewing Guide
Thursday March 17, 2005

12:15 PM Wisconsin-Milwaukee #12 vs. Alabama #5 HD
12:45 PM Niagara #14 vs. Oklahoma #3 HD
2:55 PM Penn #13 vs. Boston College #4 HD
3:15 PM Texas-El Paso #11 vs. Utah #6 HD
7:10 PM Chattanooga #15 vs. Wake Forest #2 HD
7:25 PM Winthrop #14 vs. Gonzaga #3 HD
9:40 PM Creighton #10 vs. West Virginia #7 HD
9:55 PM UCLA #11 vs. Texas Tech #6 HD

12:20 PM Eastern Kentucky #15 vs. Kentucky #2
12:40 PM Pittsburgh #9 vs. Pacific #8
2:50 PM Iowa #10 vs. Cincinnati #7
3:10 PM Montana #16 vs. Washington #1
7:10 PM Nevada #9 vs. Texas #8
7:20 PM Utah St. #14 vs. Arizona #3
9:40 PM Fairleigh-Dickinson #16 Illinois #1
9:50 PM UAB #11 LSU #6

Friday March 18, 2005

12:15 PM North Carolina State #10 vs. Charlotte #7 HD
12:25 PM Ohio #13 vs. Florida #4 HD
2:45 PM University of Central Florida #15 vs. Connecticut #2 HD
2:55 PM New Mexico #12 vs. Villanova #5 HD
7:10 PM Louisiana-Lafayette #13 vs. Louisville #4 HD
7:10 PM Vermont #13 vs. Syracuse #4 HD
9:40 PM Old Dominion #12 vs. Michigan State #5 HD
9:40 PM George Washington #12 vs. Georgia Tech #5 HD

12:30 PM Iowa St. #9 vs. Minnesota #8
12:30 PM SE Louisiana #15 vs. Oklahoma St. #2
3:00 PM St. Mary's (Ca.) #10 vs. Southern Ill. #7
3:00 PM Alabama A&M/Oakland #16 vs. North Carolina #1
7:20 PM Northern Iowa #11 vs. Wisconsin #6
7:25 PM Delaware St. #16 vs. Duke #1
9:50 PM Bucknell #14 vs. Kansas #3
9:55 PM Mississippi St. #9 vs. Stanford #8

Ted

Originally posted by Tom in OH
That must be it (receiver confused), -- Inundated was right. Now the question is -- Where is the bandwidth previously used for the radar?

It's good to be right about something. ;)

The radar wasn't taking a lot of bandwidth...perhaps 1 MBps. They don't need it now. And the Weather Plus feed on 3-2 likely takes less bandwidth than the SD feed of WKYC, which it replaced. That's because only the window at the top right actually is a moving SD picture. The graphics around the left side and bottom are mostly static, and change in very small increments, so they likely don't take much.

I'll leave it to any of the TV engineers out there to tell me if I'm wrong or not. :D

Anyway, at very least, they gain back the 1 MBps or so the radar was taking, even if Weather Plus doesn't use less than the SD simulcast did.

I haven't checked today to see if WEWS is back on but I did attempt to watch Boston Legal that I recorded last night and it was so bad it made my DVR reboot. Did anyone watch this show OTA? Just wondering, it looked like transmission problems, pixelation, frozen images, sound drop offs, through most of the show. It was so bad I gave up trying to watch it. I was disappointed because this show brought in some people from Boston Public in a cross referrence.

I just checked WEWS HD is still not on the air. I called them and they told me it's been off since Sunday, they are waiting for some parts to come in.

I'd suggest that if it isn't available by 7:00 tonight to change your DVR'S for recording LOST.

I'm not sure if the digital channel is available, I didn't check that.

Originally posted by hookbill
I haven't checked today to see if WEWS is back on but I did attempt to watch Boston Legal that I recorded last night and it was so bad it made my DVR reboot. Did anyone watch this show OTA? Just wondering, it looked like transmission problems, pixelation, frozen images, sound drop offs, through most of the show. It was so bad I gave up trying to watch it. I was disappointed because this show brought in some people from Boston Public in a cross referrence.

I tried to watch it on about a 15 minute Tivo delay Sunday night and had the same problems. Switching to it "live" didn't help so I switched to the SD DirecTV feed for the last 15 minutes - at least then the dialog was understandable.

Sounded like many other folks had the same problem & it was WEWS that was struggling (see posts from late Sunday/Monday above).

I sent a relatively uncomplimentary email to WEWS on Monday asking why they can't figure out how to broadcast in HD. Only response so far was that they forwarded to engineering.

Originally posted by hookbill
I'm not sure if the digital channel is available, I didn't check that.

Adelphia position 5, where the digital channel lives, is fine. As I noted above, I think they feed that via fiber optic cable to the Adelphia headend, and it doesn't depend on the over air transmitter working.

Analog 805 is fine, too...

And of course, we're still in "not ready for prime time" mode with HDTV. If the part in question had been on the analog side, they'd A) have a spare on hand or B) move heaven and earth to get the part to Cleveland by immediate or next day delivery...

Originally posted by DaMavs
I sent a relatively uncomplimentary email to WEWS on Monday asking why they can't figure out how to broadcast in HD. Only response so far was that they forwarded to engineering.

Good move, DaMavs. When I called the lady I talked to had that "I'm tired of answering this question" tone so they must be getting some heat.

DaMavs,
Please post the response(assuming you receive one) to your email to WEWS. If nothing else we will hopefully get the email address of someone in engineering.
Steve

Originally posted by hookbill
I just checked WEWS HD is still not on the air. I called them and they told me it's been off since Sunday, they are waiting for some parts to come in.

I'd suggest that if it isn't available by 7:00 tonight to change your DVR'S for recording LOST.

I'm not sure if the digital channel is available, I didn't check that.


They're off the air! You won't get any HD until those parts come in and maybe those parts fix the problem so they can put a signal on the air.

Originally posted by ted_b
Has anyone ping'd WOIO-DT to find out what their policy will be this year on the NCAA coverage? The reason I ask is that although there will be LOTS more HD games (including the ones out of Cleveland Convo Center), some of the bigger games (the No. 1 seeds, for example) are not on the HD list for Thu-Fri. I'm hoping they cover as much HD as possible on 10-1 and let the analog side go with the more popular games if a conflict exists.


Ted

I believe that is what they did last year. My guess is that they don't have a clue as to what is actually on the digital feed. They probably assume it's showing the same game as the analog feed. The most thought they are capable of is knowing that there is at least one digital feed from CBS and remembering to flip the switch so we can see it. For the most part, that is enough to make everyone happy. Now if you asked them to get fancy and show one of the regional feeds instead so we could watch an Ohio team play instead of whats on the national feed, that might be pushing it. As usual, I think we are just going to have to wait and see.
Steve

Originally posted by hookbill
I just checked WEWS HD is still not on the air. I called them and they told me it's been off since Sunday, they are waiting for some parts to come in.

I'd suggest that if it isn't available by 7:00 tonight to change your DVR'S for recording LOST.

I'm not sure if the digital channel is available, I didn't check that.

Luckily the next few episodes of Lost are repeats. It's one of my favorite shows. Great story and the picture quality is some of the best I've seen yet on a network show.
Steve

WEWS-DT is still TU (toes up) as of just before 8 PM. Those parts didn't make it before prime time...

Originally posted by Inundated
WEWS-DT is still TU (toes up) as of just before 8 PM. Those parts didn't make it before prime time...

Something's changed, though. My Fusion card now indicates "100%" signal - earlier today and yesterday it was "No Signal" (even though nada picture/sound). So does this mean the the transmitter is ON, but there are no "bits" being fed into it?

Inundated, see my reply to your PM.

Originally posted by Inundated
Just got another reply from the assistant chief engineer at WKYC...

We've pretty much agreed that without a decent outdoor antenna, I'm probably out of luck to get WKYC-DT OTA here in the Akron area. He also mentioned that at some point in January 2006 or so, stations will be able to vacate low VHF channels for digital...but he has no idea if WKYC will elect that route.

Oh, and he "feels our pain", as it were...saying they "are aware" of the issues with low-VHF and DTV. And he just confirmed that co-operated WVPX-DT 59 is having issues with CICO in Chatham, Ontario...much like the Canadian issues that WBNX is having with its DT allocation. I don't know where you are at, but I'm in the valley in Akron. First hooked up the receiver and all I got was FOX, UPN, and UNI. A little fiddling and CBS then came in. NBC was ellusive. I tried and tried and actually, the first night, I accomplished getting it... barely, but then the next day, I could barely hold on to the signal. ABC confused me until I read this forum. Luckily with this knowledge, I've stopped trying to get it. I tried four different indoor antennas, usually with the same results.

So I guess no NBC for a while? Luckily no sports on it. The NCAA tourney and Browns football is on CBS, NASCAR on FOX, basketball and baseball on UPN, futbol on Univision. So that is good!

Great forum here by the way!

Originally posted by flatiron
Something's changed, though. My Fusion card now indicates "100%" signal - earlier today and yesterday it was "No Signal" (even though nada picture/sound). So does this mean the the transmitter is ON, but there are no "bits" being fed into it?

I get what would look like a nearly full signal on WEWS-DT, but my STB (US Digital, the kind they sell at WallyWorld) can't scan on it.

Adelphia "ABCHD" 705 is still blank. WEWS's other feeds on 5 and 805 are normal.

It could mean the transmitter is on and firing, but the stuff behind the transmitter is still messed up...

Originally posted by yespage
So I guess no NBC for a while? Luckily no sports on it. The NCAA tourney and Browns football is on CBS, NASCAR on FOX, basketball and baseball on UPN, futbol on Univision. So that is good!

Great forum here by the way!

Welcome! I'm not that far up the hill from you. But that's the key, likely...you're down in the Valley, and I'm much higher...and probably have a better shot at Parma than you do, indoors.

BTW, I've been getting WKYC-DT with a pretty solid lock indoors. I have to contort the antenna...remember the old "Fox Viewing Position" scenes in "Married with Children"? But I'm getting it. Again, I'm a lot higher than you and have a shot out a large second story window towards Parma. WKYC-DT could also come and go with atmospheric conditions. The problem won't FULLY be solved until WKYC eventually moves the DT channel off of 2 (and not onto 3, but onto a UHF channel, mapped as 3-1/3-2).

If NBC-HD were that important to you, I believe all the major local cable systems carry it...but it doesn't sound like you're that concerned.

If you're getting the others, you'll likely get WEWS-DT whenever they get the squirrels running the digital system again...so add ABC to that list, likely.

Still no WEWS as of 6:00 this morning.:( Have these people never heard of Federal Express?

Originally posted by Inundated
Welcome! I'm not that far up the hill from you. But that's the key, likely...you're down in the Valley, and I'm much higher...and probably have a better shot at Parma than you do, indoors.What's odd is that I can hook up a dustball to the receiver and still get FOX quite clear. I do have a nearly unabstructed view going north, up the valley.

The problem won't FULLY be solved until WKYC eventually moves the DT channel off of 2 (and not onto 3, but onto a UHF channel, mapped as 3-1/3-2).Hope it happens eventually.

If NBC-HD were that important to you, I believe all the major local cable systems carry it...but it doesn't sound like you're that concerned.Actually I just dropped Sat TV and am using HD as my only television source. So its either OTA or nothing. And as long as I have UPN, FOX, and CBS I'm pretty much all set. I can get standard WB in very well, in addition to PBS.

If you're getting the others, you'll likely get WEWS-DT whenever they get the squirrels running the digital system again...so add ABC to that list, likely. That'd be nice. Whenever the NHL gets done with the lockout, that'll mean a few hockey games there. Really interested in seeing the NCAA in HD-lite.

KUDOS to WOIO-DT for carrying the HD NCAA feed (currently UWI-Mil vs AL), regardless of the analog feed (which is Pitt-Pacific currently). We now have choices later in the day, watch HD or watch Washington (or IL). This is great!! Maybe it was the two voicemails I left for the head engineers, Jim Setticase and Jim Kopanski....(yeah right)
or maybe they just figured it out themselves...either way we win.

Ted

Lets hope they do the same thing for the Masters!!! BTW this mustve been a late change as Im still getting the UWI-AL game from D* usually Id be blacked out if it was shown locally. Which is whats happening with the SD game on now. Blacked out on the D* channels.

Originally posted by DCSholtis
Lets hope they do the same thing for the Masters!!! BTW this mustve been a late change as Im still getting the UWI-AL game from D* usually Id be blacked out if it was shown locally. Which is whats happening with the SD game on now. Blacked out on the D* channels.


Here is the schedule for today and tommorrow

Below are the games that we will carry on our analog channel WOIO-TV. Included are the game origination point (in parentheses)…teams…and tipoff times for Thursday, 3/17:

Game #1 (from Boise) Pacific vs. Pittsburgh 12:40PM

Game #2 (from Indianapolis) Cincinnati vs. Iowa 2:40PM

Game #3 (from Indianapolis) Texas vs. Nevada 7:10PM

Game #4 (from Indianapolis) Illinois vs. Fairleigh Dickinson University 9:30PM


Please be advised that we will also carry the games from CSU on Thursday which CBS is broadcasting in HDTV format. These games will air on WOIO-DT 10.1 (our digital channel). The matchups are:

Game #1 Alabama vs. Wisconsin-Milwaukee 12:25PM

Game #2 Boston College vs. Pennsylvania 2:45PM

Game #3 Wake Forest vs. Chattanooga 7:10PM

Game #4 West Virginia vs. Creighton 9:30PM




Friday 3/18



Game #1 (from Nashville) Florida vs. Ohio (constant) 12:25PM

Game #2 (from Charlotte) UNC vs. Oakland 2:50PM

Game #3 (from Oklahoma City) Wisconsin vs. Northern Iowa 7:20PM

Game #4 (from Worcester) Michigan St. vs. Old Dominion University 9:30PM


Please be advised that we will also carry the games from Worcester on Friday which CBS is broadcasting in HDTV format. These games will air on WOIO-DT 10.1 (our digital channel). The matchups are:

Game #1 Charlotte vs. NC State 12:15PM
Game #2 Connecticut vs. Central Florida 2:35PM
Game #3 Syracuse vs. Vermont 7:10PM
Game #4 Michigan St. vs. Old Dominion University 9:30PM

just a quick question, anyone with time warner cable in cleveland/akron market with WoioHd, can anyone give me a rundown of the HD lineup for that area, I went online and it says they have it, but the guy I talked to says they dont, kinda confused also what model of the HD dvr are they giving out, I have a appointment for sat. and I would really love to know this info before then. Thanks and for those of you who are in the valley I grew up there in a brick house on N. Portage Path, I LOVE that neighberhood, we moved out to green I think in 98 I really miss it there!

I guess that part's still not in yet - I wonder how long this is going to go on?

It's ridiculous. They must have the part being sent ups ground. If I have time tomorrow I think I'll try and get an email off to ABC about it.

Hey guys, I really need some help here. This might be a bit long, but hang in there as all the info is important for you to help me possibly fix this.

Originally, about 15 months ago, I sold my Dish Network 6000 reciever & got their then new Dish 811 HD receiver. At about that time, I started having a problem with the audio on WOIO CBS over the air. I have a Yamaha RX1200 receiver which was their 'upper-middle' receiver. Dish receiver audio was connected via optical input. The yamaha has no issues outputing pro logic instead of dolby digital if that's what's coming through.

What was happening, was that on certain programs on WOIO (no other channels), I would get the same output through ALL my speakers (fronts, center, surrounds). If I turned from the OTA WOIO-HD to their analog via cable, I got pro-logic surround. The HD channel was screwed up & the same sounds were on each speaker, so voice did not come out of the center like it should. This would happen only on a few CBS shows, but mostly CSI-Miami, CSI, & HD sporting events. The strange thing was, that sometimes, those shows would be fine & I'd get pro-logic & some days it would be a problem. I called Dish network 4 or 5 times begging for a new receiver & they insisted it wasn't their issue. I gave up & watched HD & listened to the out of sync analog audio from the non-HD channel. That was not good but I had no other choice if I wanted to see those shows in HD.

Now that Adelphia has added CBS, I figured I'd be in good shape now. WRONG!!! I have the Adelphia cable box connected via digital coax & sure enough, CSI-Miami & now the NCAA tournament have messed up audio so I hear the same thing out of each speaker. Other CBS shows in HD are perfect! I'm going NUTS with this!!!

I'm sure if I connect my cable box via red/white audio cables & then when I have an audio problem, force the Yamaha to analog mode, I will get Pro-Logic. This problem happens on NO OTHER CHANNELS! Only WOIO & only certain programs. Obviously there is something about the audio stream on those programs that when pumped to my Yamaha via digital audio, causes the receiver to not be able to decode it to pro-logic.

So, I'd appreciate any ideas you guys might have. If any of you have an RX-1x00 (1200, 1300, 1400) or equiv., please test this out & let me know. At this point, I don't know what to do. For those who don't have a Yamaha, I'd still like to hear any ideas you have. I wonder if I could call Yamaha. I'd love to confirm if this happens for anyone else with the same exact receiver here in Cleveland. The strange thing is, my reciever is perfect for every other thing it does. DVD's are perfect, games are perfect, CD's are perfect, all other HD programming be it DD or Pro-Logic are perfect. HELP!!!! :(

Thanks guys!!

-Todd

Well, yesterday afternoon I had the NCAA running through my Pioneer HTS. What I noticed from prologic 2 was announcers, center speaker, crowd in all other speakers. Now I wasn't really paying attention that closely but why I did notice the announcer in the center speaker was my back speakers are wireless and are actually in my kitchen which steps up to my living room. I couldn't hear the announcers so I did walk into the living room and that's when I noticed the announcers on center speaker. I use digital cable from the 8300 to my HTS.

I might add that in many instances I feel my Dolby Pro Logic 2 does a better distribution of sound then what the networks offer on 5.1.....with the exception of football. Shows like CSI Miami sound real good on my system.

I clearly hear the announcer from all speakers regardless of what mode I'm in. (not DD since woio doesn' pass that). Basically prologic 2, prologic, neo, etc... announcer was on all speakers. Same with CSI Miami. I think it's obviously a Yamaha issue with a signal from WOIO that is not conforming to standards or possibly just my reciever that can't interpret an signal that isn't standard. That is the only issue with this receiver, so I'm pretty sure the receiver doesn't have a repair problem. I guess we really need somebody with a Yamaha to test this for me.

I need help too. Installer problems.
I've been reasonably happy with Adelphia, but Voom's new promotion sounded so good. I jumped to change and bad things are happening. Right after I ordered Voom, company announced the trouble they have. It is OK because I don't have any control over it and it's not worth to worry. But Instill. Inc., guy came out and set the dish and antenna on the porch roof, partially under a big tree and behind a south side building. None of local channels are viewable. When the second time the guy came out, he couldn't move the set-up due to bad weather. But he is asking more then $200 for flat roof, water-proof installation and extra wiring. I know voom has 125 ft allowance per receiver. He used the existing adelphia cable for all three receivers. Probably he used only about 100 ft for new cable. My rooftop has a large flat area and above the attic without any interfering trees or buildings. Plus, it is easily accessible form the attic. The installer will be out tomorrow (Saturday) again. My questions are; 1. Can the rooftop antenna installation eliminate local channel reception problem? I live in Cleveland Heights. 2. Do I have to pay $200 or more he is asking? I asked help in a voom thread but so far nobody is responding. Thank you very much. I don't participate much but I alway read your discussions. Thank you again.

Man, I wouldn't pay $200 no matter what. That guy is ripping you off. $1 installation means that they get it to work at that price. Sounds like you didn't exceed their 125 allowance, plus they didn't even use their cable so that doesn't count. With a roof antenna fronm Cleveland Hts., there is no way that you shouldn't get the local OTA. I would call Voom if I were you.

Did you know Voom doesn't have any Fox Sports Channels? That's why I didn't get it. No Indians & no Cavs means no Voom in my house unless I could afford both Adelphia & Voom which I can't.

If that is bad news for you, I would cancel Voom & not worry about it. From what I can tell, their content won't be sold & eventually will be take off line. Hard to say for sure as it's a total mess, but that very well could happen. Good news is there's no big money commitment from you so that's good.

Anyway, don't pay that $200 as that is a scam if I've ever heard of one. Call Voom. If they say you have to pay the $200, cancel immediately as you don't want to deal with something like that anyway.

Now everyone, get back to helping me! HAHA!! ;)

Thanks Dweezilz.

I did not realize they don't have Fox Sports Channels. I should have cacelled it before installation. I've called Voom and they said I'm facing $250 penalty if I'm cancelling before 6 months I committed. Well, I'm stuck for 6 months. I argued with local OTA reception problems but they said it will be fixed and they don't guarantee local channels anyway. I think I have to revive Adelphia for Indians and Cavs. What a mistake!
Thank you again.

FYI: Seems that WEWS is back up OTA. Picking up the signal fine now!

Originally posted by thopkin1
FYI: Seems that WEWS is back up OTA. Picking up the signal fine now!

Well, whatta you know the stage coach containing their part must have arrived!!!

What a sorry excuse of a station to be off the air on HD for four days!

Originally posted by hookbill
Well, whatta you know the stage coach containing their part must have arrived!!!

What a sorry excuse of a station to be off the air on HD for four days!

Looks like the stretch-o-vision is gone on the local upconvert - they have a pillar-box format like Fox8 or 19/43. Hopefully this is permanant.
Upconvert currenty looks like a slightly-snowy analog picture, like they're still having some problems. It will be interesting to see if they pass ABC-HD tonight.

Is anyone else seeing dropouts/freezes every few seconds on Enterprise on 43-1?

BTW, WEWS in glorious HD now.

Originally posted by yespage
What's odd is that I can hook up a dustball to the receiver and still get FOX quite clear. I do have a nearly unabstructed view going north, up the valley.

Ah, but you need an unobstructed view going northwest, towards Parma... where all the Cleveland sticks are. North up into the Valley aims you at places like Brecksville and Independence.

The local stations are also of varying power. I believe WJW is the second most powerful UHF in the market. (WEWS is the most right now, with 870KW...WJW has 625KW on its DT.) WOIO is a VHF with much lower power...you don't need as much on VHF (DT10).

Actually I just dropped Sat TV and am using HD as my only television source. So its either OTA or nothing. And as long as I have UPN, FOX, and CBS I'm pretty much all set. I can get standard WB in very well, in addition to PBS.

Aim that thing towards Copley, even in your location, and you'll likely get WEAO-DT 50 (PBS 45 & 49's digital transmitter). They run PBS HD 24/7, and upconvert their analog signal on the second subchannel.

WB won't be in HD here until who knows when. WBNX/55 has been in a long battle with the FCC and Industry Canada regarding same-channel interference measurements with a Canadian DT station. So, you'll be stuck with only analog from it for a long time.

You probably don't care, but you should get WDLI-DT (39, analog 17) aiming the antenna at Copley as well. Four SD religious stations (TBN), so it might not be worth the bother for you... Their analog stick is in Louisville, but the digital is next to WEAO/WVPX/WONE-FM/et al. just north of Rolling Acres Mall.

Originally posted by flatiron
Looks like the stretch-o-vision is gone on the local upconvert - they have a pillar-box format like Fox8 or 19/43. Hopefully this is permanant.
Upconvert currenty looks like a slightly-snowy analog picture, like they're still having some problems. It will be interesting to see if they pass ABC-HD tonight.

Did they? I checked too late, and only got to catch 20/20 (not in HD, of course).

Originally posted by Inundated
Did they? I checked too late, and only got to catch 20/20 (not in HD, of course).

Stretch-o-vision back on 11 o'clock news. :(

HD was fine earlier in the evening.

WEWS usually doesn't do stretch-o-vision in prime time...I wonder if they just forgot to turn it on in the 7-8 PM time frame. :o

anyone else seeing some break ups on wuab/43 hd channel? I am getting it on time warner, but every other channel is fine, leaving me to believe its gotta be with their station

I just tuned to WUAB-DT now...even though they're not running an HD show. I've heard about three or four audio breakups in about the past minute. There, five. The signal is nearly full. So it's likely on their end.

Oh, I'm watching it OTA...Adelphia doesn't carry WUAB's DT feed.

Originally posted by Inundated
WEWS usually doesn't do stretch-o-vision in prime time...

Actually, they do stretch-o-vision on all local breaks (at least before last night) during prime time - when they're showing ABC, it's always pillarboxed if the show is not in HD (unless they forget to flip the HD switch) - ABC upconverts the SD show and send it out on the HD feed. ABC's upconverts are easy to spot as they are razor sharp compared WEWS's, which are (stretching aside) fuzzy and full of artifacts.

Outside of prime-time, EVERYTHING is stretch-o-vision local upconvert, so it seems the ABC-HD feed must only be available during prime-time.

WKYC, on the other hand, shows the stretched local upconvert on ALL non-HD shows, even if an upconverted (pillar box) version is available from NBC.


I wonder if they just forgot to turn it on in the 7-8 PM time frame. :o

There must be a setting on the upconvert for "pillar-box" or "stretch" that they missed?

Originally posted by flatiron
Actually, they do stretch-o-vision on all local breaks (at least before last night) during prime time - when they're showing ABC, it's always pillarboxed if the show is not in HD (unless they forget to flip the HD switch) - ABC upconverts the SD show and send it out on the HD feed. ABC's upconverts are easy to spot as they are razor sharp compared WEWS's, which are (stretching aside) fuzzy and full of artifacts.

Outside of prime-time, EVERYTHING is stretch-o-vision local upconvert, so it seems the ABC-HD feed must only be available during prime-time.

You're right on both counts...I hadn't noticed them doing the stretch-o-vision routine on local spots during prime time, I'd just noticed the pillarboxed SD programming from ABC.

And the ABC-HD feed IS only running during prime time (or other ABC HD programming, if there's any that run outside prime time). I believe only FOX runs its HD feed, upconverted if possible, full-time...but FOX as a network doesn't have much programming outside of prime time anyway.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Inundated
[B]I just tuned to WUAB-DT now...even though they're not running an HD show. I've heard about three or four audio breakups in about the past minute.

Down here in south Portage Co. I also noticed the break ups on audio, minor fliker on the pix but pretty steady for the most part. Cool episode BTW. Too bad there leaving, it got good this year.

anyone else, with cbs and Wuab offline? I am in portage county, and its a no go for both the Hd channels of these two, but analog is steady on.

WOIO-DT is fine, putting in a good signal and HD NCAA tournament action (from Cleveland State's Convocation Center, no less!).

WUAB-DT looks like it has the same disease WEWS-DT had earlier in the week. Full signal, but no lock or picture. In fact, both times I tried to tune it in, that mess screwed up my entire OTA receiver...and rendered the other channels unable to lock! (Hmmm...maybe they do this on purpose ;) )

A reboot of the receiver cleared it up each time, but I'm afraid to try WUAB again...

Originally posted by stuart628
anyone else, with cbs and Wuab offline? I am in portage county, and its a no go for both the Hd channels of these two, but analog is steady on.
43-1 is blank for me OTA. No problem pulling 19-1 CBS though. I'm just lamenting the fact that they're carrying Wake vs. WV over UK vs. UC on BOTH channels. I can't fathom that. I'm sure both WV fans in Cleveland are at the game!

And their web site is such a mess I can't even figure out who to call or email to complain!

I'm seeing similar results OTA up here near Mentor - WOIO-DT is fine with a good HD signal for the tournament, but WUAB-DT's video is all broken up.

Bob

hmm I getting nothing, I have time warner cable, and NO picture on Cbs, and NOTHING but breakups on wuab, the game isnt blacked out is it???? I am thinking there has to be a problem with their equipment

Originally posted by stuart628
hmm I getting nothing, I have time warner cable, and NO picture on Cbs, and NOTHING but breakups on wuab, the game isnt blacked out is it???? I am thinking there has to be a problem with their equipment

Just took a looke WOIO HD coming in good and clear via Adelphia Cable. Game pq and sound was good.

Originally posted by DaMavs
43-1 is blank for me OTA. No problem pulling 19-1 CBS though. I'm just lamenting the fact that they're carrying Wake vs. WV over UK vs. UC on BOTH channels. I can't fathom that. I'm sure both WV fans in Cleveland are at the game!

And their web site is such a mess I can't even figure out who to call or email to complain!

Don't complain...they put UK vs. UC on the analog channel. :D

I think they went to Wake Forest vs. WV when the UK/Cincinnati game was at halftime. The latter game is on WOIO/analog 19 now.

that is weird, wish there was another time warner sub. on here, both channels are out for me, couldnt be my equipment, so I am guessing that the problem lies at time warner? but why would both channels be affected, they both arent out of the same building are they

Originally posted by Inundated
Don't complain...they put UK vs. UC on the analog channel. :D

I think they went to Wake Forest vs. WV when the UK/Cincinnati game was at halftime. The latter game is on WOIO/analog 19 now.
Yes, I was relieved that w/5 minutes to go in the first half they went back to the Kentucky game permanently on the analog channel. I just couldn't believe they went away from it. And they didn't go away the first time at the half - more like w/15 to go in the first & they didn't go back until 5 minutes in the first - just after I pulled up a net radio feed of the game.

Quite annoying, but at least they corrected it & the parts I missed were when UC was doing well.

Overall very nice having the analog channel broadcasting 1 game & HD another. The UK-UC game was the first where the game I wanted was in SD, but that venue wasn't HD anyway so there was no choice for 19.

And the HD games have been very well done overall.

Originally posted by stuart628
that is weird, wish there was another time warner sub. on here, both channels are out for me, couldnt be my equipment, so I am guessing that the problem lies at time warner? but why would both channels be affected, they both arent out of the same building are they

We had a similar problem on Adelphia a ways back, when we lost about half of the HD channels...anything above a certain channel number went out. It was some piece of equipment that controlled those HD channels. It took 'em a few days to get it going.

You might wanna call TWC. None of us work there. :D

Originally posted by DaMavs
Overall very nice having the analog channel broadcasting 1 game & HD another. The UK-UC game was the first where the game I wanted was in SD, but that venue wasn't HD anyway so there was no choice for 19.

And the HD games have been very well done overall.

Agreed. And I was just guessing about the halftime thing, as they seem to have been going to the other game during halftime the rest of the time. I was mostly watching the HD channel, so I didn't see that. :D

WOIO has actually done very well with it...better than many other stations in other markets. A surprise coming out of Raycom!

And the CSU Convocation Center is one of the better looking sites for HD feeds. It's second only to Worcester, MA from what I've seen.

yeah I am gonna call them, as my cbs, wuab and abc are all out, everything else works its just those three.

Originally posted by stuart628
yeah I am gonna call them, as my cbs, wuab and abc are all out, everything else works its just those three.

Yeah, could be a similar problem to the one we had on Adelphia. WUAB has been funky, but WOIO hasn't had any problems, and WEWS has been back for a couple of days...

Originally posted by stuart628
yeah I am gonna call them, as my cbs, wuab and abc are all out, everything else works its just those three.

Don't forget to ask for a credit. No service, don't pay. It won't be much but it seems to annoy the crap out of the CSR's.:)

when I called, the woman picked up the phone, and my channels started to work, all of them except wuab. so I am guess they are down at the station, wish I could watch the cavs, but I will be checking throught the day hopefully time warner/wuab can get this figured out!

Originally posted by Inundated
Ah, but you need an unobstructed view going northwest, towards Parma... where all the Cleveland sticks are. North up into the Valley aims you at places like Brecksville and Independence.The antennas are just about due north at 345 degrees. :)

Aim that thing towards Copley, even in your location, and you'll likely get WEAO-DT 50 (PBS 45 & 49's digital transmitter). They run PBS HD 24/7, and upconvert their analog signal on the second subchannel.No can do. I'm in a corner, with land rising up and around very close to my home. I tried pointing the antenna about due west and while the receiver was able to barely sense a signal and denote two channels at 50, it wasn't close to decoding the channel.

WB won't be in HD here until who knows when. WBNX/55 has been in a long battle with the FCC and Industry Canada regarding same-channel interference measurements with a Canadian DT station. So, you'll be stuck with only analog from it for a long time.Darn liberal canadians! :D Why can't they just choose another signal?

You probably don't care, but you should get WDLI-DT (39, analog 17) aiming the antenna at Copley as well. Four SD religious stations (TBN), so it might not be worth the bother for you... Their analog stick is in Louisville, but the digital is next to WEAO/WVPX/WONE-FM/et al. just north of Rolling Acres Mall. I'll consider it a blessing that I can't. :D

Oh, ABC comes in clear as a bell... whatever that means. Now that's the Indy 500 in HDTV. I was watching a little NASCAR with HD signal and the widescreen was made for it! You see alot more action.

One question, when I first hooked up my receiver, I used some normal Coax with terrible results, about 20 to 30 feet worth. So I used some higher grade coax that was used with the Sat dish that was installed with much greater results. Are there any specs regarding what the best wire would be, and whether it would make much of a difference. And is signal loss on the cable linear or exponetial, and at what point would it matter? I hated Physics II. :D

Originally posted by Dweezilz
I clearly hear the announcer from all speakers regardless of what mode I'm in. (not DD since woio doesn' pass that). Basically prologic 2, prologic, neo, etc... announcer was on all speakers. Same with CSI Miami. I think it's obviously a Yamaha issue with a signal from WOIO that is not conforming to standards or possibly just my reciever that can't interpret an signal that isn't standard. That is the only issue with this receiver, so I'm pretty sure the receiver doesn't have a repair problem. I guess we really need somebody with a Yamaha to test this for me.

Hey Todd,
have u switched the digital feed to a different digital input on your receiver to see if u get the same results?

Tom

Originally posted by Tom in OH
Hey Todd,
have u switched the digital feed to a different digital input on your receiver to see if u get the same results?

Tom

I haven't switched the cable box to a different input, but the Dish Receiver is in a different digital input & I still have the same results OTA with CBS as I do with the cable box. The Dish receiver is even in an optical while the cable is in a coax. I'm sure it would be the same if I switched it since already two different inputs have the same issue with those programs on CBS. It's quite puzzling.

Originally posted by Dweezilz
I'm sure it would be the same if I switched it since already two different inputs have the same issue with those programs on CBS. It's quite puzzling.

It must be something different with the channel's digital feed just as u suspected.

is wuab still off for everyone, or is it just me??

Originally posted by stuart628
is wuab still off for everyone, or is it just me??

They're still off OTA.

Originally posted by yespage
One question, when I first hooked up my receiver, I used some normal Coax with terrible results, about 20 to 30 feet worth. So I used some higher grade coax that was used with the Sat dish that was installed with much greater results. Are there any specs regarding what the best wire would be, and whether it would make much of a difference. And is signal loss on the cable linear or exponetial, and at what point would it matter? I hated Physics II. :D

You always want to use RG6 (RG6 quad-shield is even better, but not absolutely necessary, IMHO)

RG59 is evil - that's generally the thin crap cable you get "free" in the box with your new equipment.

Originally posted by paule123
You always want to use RG6 (RG6 quad-shield is even better, but not absolutely necessary, IMHO)

RG59 is evil - that's generally the thin crap cable you get "free" in the box with your new equipment. Thanks. I looked at the cable that the Sat TV used to install the dish... and low and behold it was RG6 which would explain why it worked and not the other cable.

With the short distances you are using you should see no difference with rg59 or rg6. If it wasn't working with rg59 the cable was probably defective, ends not installed right, open or short in cable. RG59 is more flexible and lighter duty than RG6 but indoors on short runs it shouldn't make any difference. Both have an impedence of 75 ohms. Losses are slightly different due to size of conductors, shielding, insulation, etc.

Any word on when WUAB-DT will be back on the air?

Originally posted by TLaz
Any word on when WUAB-DT will be back on the air?

Looks like it's back on now.

Anyone else notice breakups during WOIO NCAA game last night OTA ?

Looked pretty solid to me. I only watched till about 10:30 and I was flipping over to the other game on analog during the breaks. I can't recall seeing any breakups.
Steve

Just curious. I'm not getting emails on some subscribed threads in the AVS forum. No activity for a couple of days. Anyone alerted by email when I posted this?

I received the email. This has happened to me sometimes too, where I don't receive notification. Luckily there's only a few threads I check out.

yeah, plus this thread has been quiet, now that all the parts are in, and stations are doing what they are suppose to, I am actaully getting a chance to watch my shows. By the way first time I have been getting to watched full strength HD shows was this week (use to have directv) and FOX HD is a really nice picture for american idol. well off to work, have a great day.

Originally posted by hookbill
Just curious. I'm not getting emails on some subscribed threads in the AVS forum. No activity for a couple of days. Anyone alerted by email when I posted this?

Something changed in their software the last couple months - I used to get "too many" notifications and now it's "not enough". I have missed quite a bit of activity here the last few weeks because I'm not getting my notifications.

I got an email from Dave Bott, he said he sees confirmations on all email sent to me for subscriptions I have. True this forum has been inactive - which is a good thing because things are working :) - but on the 8300 - Sara thread I subscribe to there was lots of talk there I missed. I'm getting emails on that one too now.

Originally posted by paule123
Something changed in their software the last couple months - I used to get "too many" notifications and now it's "not enough". I have missed quite a bit of activity here the last few weeks because I'm not getting my notifications.

Me, too.

I think the way it's supposed to work is that you get one email as soon as a new post is made to the thread. You then won't get any more emails for new posts until AVS Forum "sees" that you have read at least the first new one.

But I've had a few times where it sure seemed like the system didn't catch the fact that I had been there to read the new messages. I then didn't get any new email notifications at all until after I went back to find the thread on my own to check on it.

Hookbill

I noticed last week I got "unsubscribed" to this forum and had to resubscribe.

Also could you send me a link to the 8300 forum. Thanks

John

Here's the one I go to most of the time: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5407294#post5407294. And if you go to the front page of the AVS forum and look under HD you'll see a link for recorders and players. There are several other forums for the 8300 located there as well.

Thanks have good week.

John

i just got the dish system with hd package and question is how do i get my locals from cleveland/woio/wews/fox to come in high def?righr now they come in digital and look good but not high def

You need to hook up an antenna to your Dish receiver (it's an 811 right?). Once you have an antenna hooked up, then just go into the setup menu & detect local digital stations & it will automatically add them. It also depends on your location as to if you'll actually pull them in. The farther away you are, the bigger an antenna you need & the higher it needs to be placed. The direction you point the antenna is important as well. If you go to antennaweb.org you can find the right direction & recommended type if you don't already have one.

-Todd

I've noticed this week that my future recordings have been off. Sunday, Monday Tuesday and Wednesday times to record are off.

Then today it just hit me. Everything is off by one hour! Daylight savings time.

Apparently the IPG and my DVR are not talking correctly.i.e. NCIS is scheduled but at 9:00 pm, not 8:00 pm and then recordings for the news is scheduled but my 10:00 pm shows are not.

So what I'm saying is go through your programing guide and make sure your programs are set correctly. This wasn't a problem as far as I remember when we switched the clocks the last time, but it appears to be one now.

That is strange since we haven't even switched the clocks yet! Wonder why that is. Somebody flip a switch too soon??

Originally posted by Dweezilz
That is strange since we haven't even switched the clocks yet! Wonder why that is. Somebody flip a switch too soon??

My thinking is that it's just the mickey mouse software from SA. I'm not sure how it works. Sometimes I think it's nothing more then a glorified VCR, but it does somehow program by names. If you tell it to program Law & Order all programs, time slot and NBC decides to put a repeat on Saturday night it will pick it up.

I've said it before...it ain't no TiVo.:rolleyes:

Yeah, it's not a Tivo for sure. I do know that these 8300's are capable of more than Adelphia is providing. There's a software update for it that we do not have which allows for more options in regards to time slots & record all programs etc... You can tell it to record only 1st run programs instead repeats. Sure wish Adelphia would at least implement that for us.

Originally posted by Dweezilz
Yeah, it's not a Tivo for sure. I do know that these 8300's are capable of more than Adelphia is providing. There's a software update for it that we do not have which allows for more options in regards to time slots & record all programs etc... You can tell it to record only 1st run programs instead repeats. Sure wish Adelphia would at least implement that for us.

From what I understand we already have that option in our software. The problem is the IPG. Adelphia or whatever company they deal with does not list it as first run or repeat.

Once they update the IPG we should be able to do that.

i have a question.i recently got the dish with the 811 hd reciever.i get my local channels from cleveland but not in high def.so if i get the off air hd attena dish says i need will i indeed get these stations in true high def?.ie prime time linup ncaa b-ball mnf

Not sure if you saw my reply to you as I already answered your questions. Make sure you are going out of the DVI or Componant out of the 811 & into those on your TV. Make sure the 811 is set to 1080i as well (unless you have a TV that is another resolution). The 811 often comes set defaulted to 720p for some reason for the HD setting. Also, are you getting the other HD package channels in HD?

-Todd

Hi,
if your antenna can receive the Cleveland HD signals(and the 811 has a digital ota tuner) then yes, most channels will be true hi-def.

Welcome to the forum.

i do have the hd pack and i do get hd chanels.dish people told me to get off air hd attena at best buy for 40.00 plug into back of 811 and i will recieve hd.wanted too now for sure if that will work before wasting my time and money.thanks for your help.brian

Is WUAB-DT having problems with its transmission? I can't receive it today.

Originally posted by electronics craz
i do have the hd pack and i do get hd chanels.dish people told me to get off air hd attena at best buy for 40.00 plug into back of 811 and i will recieve hd.wanted too now for sure if that will work before wasting my time and money.thanks for your help.brian

ok. That is correct. Put the antenna in & go into the menu of the 811 to system setup & then local channels to detect the local digitals. Getting the right antenna is important too so you may have to try a few different ones until you get the one that works best for you & your location. More expensive isn't always better. Sometimes you can get away with an indoor antenna & sometimes it will require an outdoor. Direction is also very important so make sure to point it the correct way. Again, go to that website I mentioned previously & it'll point you in the right direction.

The key to finding information is to search this forum. Most of the questions you probably have can be found.

-Todd

Quick question, anyone know if Comcast is ever going to add any more HD channels? I was over my buddy's house and he has Adelphia which has NFLHD (which Comcast had for about a week then it vanished), ESPN2 HD, PBSHD, and both HDNET's, none of which Comcast has. Adelphia's 8300 box is also a lot nicer than Comcast's HD DVR box IMO. I call Comcast and they are clueless and then procede to tell me that Adelphia's lineup's and equipment is bad. So of course I ask why do they have more channels then?! They have no answer. So frustrating.

Originally posted by extremegamer
Quick question, anyone know if Comcast is ever going to add any more HD channels? I was over my buddy's house and he has Adelphia which has NFLHD (which Comcast had for about a week then it vanished), ESPN2 HD, PBSHD, and both HDNET's, none of which Comcast has. Adelphia's 8300 box is also a lot nicer than Comcast's HD DVR box IMO. I call Comcast and they are clueless and then procede to tell me that Adelphia's lineup's and equipment is bad. So of course I ask why do they have more channels then?! They have no answer. So frustrating.

I can't tell you if they are adding anymore HD channels, but you really should be excited about the fact that Comcast struck a deal with TiVo and in about a year and a half you should be able to get TiVo from Comcast.

Just to let you know, NFLHD has hardly any HD content. No big loss there imho.

Unless you know someone who works at Comcast you probably won't find out what they are planning on adding. We just recently got WOIO-HD (CBS) added on and we were the last to get it . We being Adelphia people.

I dont know time warner just added it a little over a month ago, so they were dragging their feet on that channel (woio Hd) its too bad their are all these sat websites, talking about whats coming up. BUt nothing for cable, all I want is ESPN2hd and I will be fine for my Channel lineup for now, everythind being in digital would be nice, but I think we have about 2 years on that.

Quick FYI for anyone who is looking for a decent, inexpensive OTA tuner.

Yesterday, the Sears at South Park Strongsville has a Sylvania SRZ3000 on the closeout table for $109. Looked to be an open box (I didn't see a remote.)

I've had pretty good success with an SRZ3000 paired with a silver sensor.

Originally posted by hookbill
I can't tell you if they are adding anymore HD channels, but you really should be excited about the fact that Comcast struck a deal with TiVo and in about a year and a half you should be able to get TiVo from Comcast.

Just to let you know, NFLHD has hardly any HD content. No big loss there imho.

Unless you know someone who works at Comcast you probably won't find out what they are planning on adding. We just recently got WOIO-HD (CBS) added on and we were the last to get it . We being Adelphia people.


If I still have Comcast in a year and a half, shoot me. Their customer service has been awful, probably the worst I've ever dealt with.

Wide Open West has been great up until now - but they have fallen behind Adelphia on the HD lineup. No ESPN2HD, PBSHD or inHD. No SHO-HD.

I have to start getting on their case about ESPN2HD since it looks like they have a lot of HD baseball this season. But on the other hand ESPN2HD was just launched a couple months ago and these cable systems take forever to make their "deals" so if I saw it in 6 months I would consider myself lucky.

Anyone considering WOW and the SA8000HD - make *sure* you don't end up with an 80GB HD DVR - that's what I got stuck with as an "early adopter" and the CSRs at WOW claim they only have 80GB models (personally I think they are confusing the SD and HD versions of the SA8000, but I can't beat the facts out of them) I would be surprised if they are still installing 80GB HD DVR's, but you want to make 100% sure on that.

Originally posted by extremegamer
If I still have Comcast in a year and a half, shoot me. Their customer service has been awful, probably the worst I've ever dealt with.

Gee that sounds familiar....isn't that right Adelphia fans! ha! I can say the same for Dish Network too. I'm sure they are all in the running for 'worst customer service ever'. Ya know what they say...the grass isn't always greener on the...

Yep, I've said that about Adelphia on many occasions. I'm actually pleased that there is another company out there that may be as bad as them.

Originally posted by paule123
Wide Open West has been great up until now - but they have fallen behind Adelphia on the HD lineup. No ESPN2HD, PBSHD or inHD. No SHO-HD.

As far as WVIZ-DT (PBS-HD) is concernced, I was told that WOW will be picking that up in the summer when WVIZ starts broadcasting from it's main tower in North Royalton.

Word from WVIZ is that they will be broadcasting at full power from the North Royalton tower at the end of the summer, however they plan do it it earlier.

Originally posted by Phoenix2088
As far as WVIZ-DT (PBS-HD) is concernced, I was told that WOW will be picking that up in the summer when WVIZ starts broadcasting from it's main tower in North Royalton.

Word from WVIZ is that they will be broadcasting at full power from the North Royalton tower at the end of the summer, however they plan do it it earlier.

If you go a few pages back on this thread, WVIZ's engineer actually posted about this. :D

They are actively working on it. They had to wait until they came to a settlement with Viacom Radio, which owns the site...which also serves WNCX/98.5 among others. Then, they had to redesign the thing, and I presume even as we speak (type?), they're building it out.

Re: Adelphia...I'm actually OK with their HD lineup now. The only missing piece I'd like to see is TNT-HD (NBA games in HD, and they plan on doing a lot more HD, including in studio stuff and HD versions of their syndicated reruns). Oh, and I wouldn't mind WUAB in HD, but that's not a huge deal unless they start running Cavaliers' games in HD.

If...that ever happens.

Wow, I havnt seen this thread in months.

Non-HD question. Baseball season is upon us, and I don't have cable. Its a hassle to go thru the salesmen with Adelphia and WOW!, does anyone know what the cheapest price is for those 2 cable providers for a package that would include Fox Sports Ohio. Baseball is back and I need to see some Indians baseball.

Thanks,

Stu

Stu,
I would guess WOW Basic Cable (what you would need) is running about $36.99 + tax. That's what I used to pay before I switched to digital basic and all the HD crap.

This is the lineup:
http://www1.wowway.com/PDF/ClevelandChannels.pdf

Pricing for everything *but* basic is here:
http://www1.wowway.com/wowPriceBundleC.asp

Is anybody having trouble with the Cleveland channels. The only one I can even get any signal on is 8-1, but it is only 27%. This has been going on for two days now.

Originally posted by pupper
Is anybody having trouble with the Cleveland channels. The only one I can even get any signal on is 8-1, but it is only 27%. This has been going on for two days now.

Everything's 100% here, and has been all evening.

There's a message on channel 1 now on Adelphia. It's amazing because it's actually something important. The Head End is doing some maintenance on 4/6 at 12:01 am to 6:00 am, it says don't reboot your machine during that time. It also mentions that the IPG may not be available.

So my first thought was....Are they going to change the IPG so that it shows first run and repeats?

Crossing my fingers.

At least here, WOIO-HD is down on Adelphia. I don't have access to my OTA box right now, so I can't see if it's down at the transmitter end...

FYI it appears that WOIO-HD WONT be carrying the HD feed of the Masters on Thursday or Friday as I had thought/hoped/expected they would. I just checked the EPG on my Tivo and saw that the SD and HD feeds will mirror each other therefore no Masters. At least I have Universal HD with D* so it wont be bad. Would have liked to have compared the 2 feeds to see if they were going to use separate cameras etc.

Originally posted by hookbill
I can't tell you if they are adding anymore HD channels, but you really should be excited about the fact that Comcast struck a deal with TiVo and in about a year and a half you should be able to get TiVo from Comcast.

Just to let you know, NFLHD has hardly any HD content. No big loss there imho.

Unless you know someone who works at Comcast you probably won't find out what they are planning on adding. We just recently got WOIO-HD (CBS) added on and we were the last to get it . We being Adelphia people.

I finally got the Comcast dual tuner dvr and it performes pretty close to the tivo. The single tuner was useless. It is nice to be able to record the HD channels. My tivo is the stand alone so I can only record the analog channels directly from the cable.....

WOIO-HD has been back since early this evening...just in time for my recording of the "Amazing Race" clip show at 8. (I record it off the HD channel even though it's not in HD, because it's clearer than even the digital version on 4.)

And I'm not surprised WOIO isn't carrying the HD coverage of the Masters on Thursday and Friday. Some CBS affiliates are, but they are ones that usually have the ability to program their feeds separately. I'm guessing WOIO doesn't want to bail on the regular CBS lineup on the digital channel on Thursday and Friday, or just doesn't want to bother with it.

In one of my former home markets, Roanoke, VA, the forward-thinking CBS affiliate there is doing it, but they pay a lot of attention to their digital channel...in market #67 no less.

they arent doing it? they've done it the last 2 years. thats bs.

My mistake. WOIO-DT is showing the HD Masters coverage, as of 4 PM today.

I wasn't aware that they had done it before. Judging from the thread in HDTV Programming, many other CBS affiliates are doing this as well.

Originally posted by Inundated
My mistake. WOIO-DT is showing the HD Masters coverage, as of 4 PM today.

I wasn't aware that they had done it before. Judging from the thread in HDTV Programming, many other CBS affiliates are doing this as well.

hmmmm...no HD TV.....so it's not in HD. Then someone comes on that actually OWNS a HDTV and corrects you. :)

What the heck, golf is boring. C'mon guys you arn't really watching that stuff are you?:)

Universal HD was supposed to air the first two rounds in HD. with SD on USA.

ps: Golf Rules!

Originally posted by hookbill

What the heck, golf is boring. C'mon guys you arn't really watching that stuff are you?:)

Coming from a flock leader of 11 parrots.

Originally posted by hookbill
hmmmm...no HD TV.....so it's not in HD. Then someone comes on that actually OWNS a HDTV and corrects you. :)


Sigh, do we have to go through this again? :D

I think someone's telling me I should get off Internet message boards. I seem to have a target on my back lately.

My earlier message was an assumption, based on knowledge of Raycom and WOIO, not based on the actual programming. The later message was posted by me, when I actually watched what they did, on their HD feed. Now, if you wanna come over here and measure pixels on my screen...be my guest!!! ;)

The incorrect assumption had nothing to do with the resolution of my screen, which can display downcoverted - but still good looking HD programming - both on cable and OTA. :D And as I've said about 20 times, though it is certainly not "full resolution HD", it's quite easy to tell if programming is in HD or not on my set. Harumph. :D

Now, on other matters...we Adelphia types may be either on Time Warner or Comcast somewhere in the next year or so. The Adelphia board has reportedly agreed in principle to the joint TWC/Comcast bid. I don't know if they know at this point where the Cleveland systems go...since both TWC and Comcast have Northeast Ohio operations.

Originally posted by Inundated
Sigh, do we have to go through this again? :D

I think someone's telling me I should get off Internet message boards. I seem to have a target on my back lately.

My earlier message was an assumption, based on knowledge of Raycom and WOIO, not based on the actual programming. The later message was posted by me, when I actually watched what they did, on their HD feed. Now, if you wanna come over here and measure pixels on my screen...be my guest!!! ;)

The incorrect assumption had nothing to do with the resolution of my screen, which can display downcoverted - but still good looking HD programming - both on cable and OTA. :D And as I've said about 20 times, though it is certainly not "full resolution HD", it's quite easy to tell if programming is in HD or not on my set. Harumph. :D

Now, on other matters...we Adelphia types may be either on Time Warner or Comcast somewhere in the next year or so. The Adelphia board has reportedly agreed in principle to the joint TWC/Comcast bid. I don't know if they know at this point where the Cleveland systems go...since both TWC and Comcast have Northeast Ohio operations.

Yes we have to go through this again. And again. Until you get a HD set.

What in the world could you have more important to do with your money then get an HD set? C'mon, Inundated. It reminds me of when I was a kid and all the other kids had Schwinn Stingrays and I had a cheapo imatation.

Inundated, cross the line. You can do it. The time is now.:)

I hope this is good news. I wonder what we'll get here in Twinsburg, Comcast or TM?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050408/ap_on_bi_ge/adelphia_sale

I'm not to sure I want Comcast. Yes, I like the TiVo coming and from what I read their DVR as it stands now is superior to what we have, but I have heard from some Comcast people that their customer service is as bad as Adelphia. I think their cost is high too.

Still I have to believe no matter who takes it over it has got to be better then Adelphia.