Don't we have a semi-regular in here from the Euclid area?

For the most part, Euclid and South Euclid aren't very close to each other. They may touch along a small part of their respective borders, but most of Euclid is in the lower elevation area along Lake Erie, while most of South Euclid is in the middle of the Heights area - surrounded by Cleveland Heights, University Heights, Lyndhurst, and Highland Heights. So they are not only apart geographically, but also have rather different terrain.

When I lived in South Euclid, I got great analog reception from a simple stationary antenna on my roof. I suspect that jtscherne will find that his antenna pulls in all of the Cleveland locals except for WVIZDT.

For how long? I had a period over a three-day holiday weekend that I got WKYC with a pretty strong, steady signal, but the following Tuesday, it went away. As noted, DT channel 2 is very susceptible to electrical interference, and I often suspect that as businesses/industrial firms power up for the workweek, it hurts the signal.It was a little here and there during a small stretch when ABC was in and out too, but overall, WKYC is a consistent 5 to 6 bar reception now. I'll get a little artifacting now and then, but regardless of time of day, it's 5 to 6 bar. I use an indoor Terk HDTVi with a 10 dB amplifier, which without I can't get WKYC. And yeah, I'm at the very bottom of the valley, but have a decent view towards the northern horizon. I can't get any local Akron stations because of my location with respect to the hills. My receiver can just barely notice WVIZ, but I can't come close to reception. That'll have to wait.

For the most part, Euclid and South Euclid aren't very close to each other. They may touch along a small part of their respective borders, but most of Euclid is in the lower elevation area along Lake Erie, while most of South Euclid is in the middle of the Heights area - surrounded by Cleveland Heights, University Heights, Lyndhurst, and Highland Heights. So they are not only apart geographically, but also have rather different terrain.

When I lived in South Euclid, I got great analog reception from a simple stationary antenna on my roof. I suspect that jtscherne will find that his antenna pulls in all of the Cleveland locals except for WVIZDT.

I live in Lyndhurst, and I can confirm that your suspicions are true, at least for me.

It seems like last year WVIZ was saying June of 2005 for getting the full power antenna up in North Royalton. Any news on this front? The website says spring/summer 2005.

Well, we'll see this afternoon. I'm getting the antenna re-attached today. I expect to be able to get Fox, WUAB, and ABC for sure (I was able to get them in Shaker Heights with an indoor antenna).

Well, we'll see this afternoon. I'm getting the antenna re-attached today. I expect to be able to get Fox, WUAB, and ABC for sure (I was able to get them in Shaker Heights with an indoor antenna).

I'd be surprised if you didn't get everyone save for WVIZ, and perhaps WKYC.

BTW, re: WVIZ's full power installation - didn't someone just note that they're aiming for the end of the summer? That would seem to make sense. There are no more obstacles that I know of, and last we heard from Gary at WVIZ, they were actually planning the facility (late last year).

Re: Euclid vs. South Euclid - thanks for the update. I don't get up there much, and to someone down here in Akron, they may as well be next door ;)

It was a little here and there during a small stretch when ABC was in and out too, but overall, WKYC is a consistent 5 to 6 bar reception now. I'll get a little artifacting now and then, but regardless of time of day, it's 5 to 6 bar. I use an indoor Terk HDTVi with a 10 dB amplifier, which without I can't get WKYC. And yeah, I'm at the very bottom of the valley, but have a decent view towards the northern horizon. I can't get any local Akron stations because of my location with respect to the hills. My receiver can just barely notice WVIZ, but I can't come close to reception. That'll have to wait.

I have to turn OFF my indoor antenna's amplification, or I'll lose all the other locals. And turning it on with WKYC doesn't seem to change the situation - lots of multipathing, and not even close to a solid lock most of the time. My antenna isn't as high in the house as yours, but I'm physically much higher up than you are. Also, I have nearby trees that could be causing problems, though they don't with the other DT stations in the market.

Also, I pick up absolutely no signal on DT 26 (WVIZ), amplified or no. It doesn't even move the meter. I don't expect much out of that small stick on Brookpark Road, tho. ;)

I have to turn OFF my indoor antenna's amplification, or I'll lose all the other locals. And turning it on with WKYC doesn't seem to change the situation - lots of multipathing, and not even close to a solid lock most of the time. Funny you mention that. When I was trying the $50 Radio Shack indoor antenna, if I amplified fully in order to get WKYC, I'd lose WJW (Fox). I don't think ABC was up and running at that point yet, as it was down when I first hooked up to the HDTV signal. CBS came in still.

My antenna isn't as high in the house as yours, but I'm physically much higher up than you are. Also, I have nearby trees that could be causing problems, though they don't with the other DT stations in the market.I have a tree right in front my house. That kept me from getting a consistent lock on FOX and ABC. They'd come in, but would break up here and there. I lifted my antenna up higher, about 3 feet and all of a sudden I'm getting NBC, at night with some locking up. But Fox and ABC would artifact too much for my taste. So I moved to the other side of the house without the tree and locked all stations but WKYC and WVIZ. I think I lost all of WKYC due to cable length. When I then moved the antenna up into the attic, I was finally able to get a consistent signal for WKYC. If you can, I'd try elevating the antenna more. It's crazy but less than 8 feet made the difference of no WKYC and consistent WKYC. It isn't perfect, but it breaks up at a rate that I can accept, maybe once or twice during a one hour program, at most.

Also, I pick up absolutely no signal on DT 26 (WVIZ), amplified or no. It doesn't even move the meter. I don't expect much out of that small stick on Brookpark Road, tho. ;)When I map the channels, the receiver stays on WVIZ for a bit longer, but in the end it says NOPE.

I'd be surprised if you didn't get everyone save for WVIZ, and perhaps WKYC.


It was pretty much a wasted afternoon. The guy ran a new cable from the antenna into a side window so we could check. When I ran a scan, I only got two channels: WKYC and WOIO (both VERY strong), but none of the UHF stations... He worked with some other antennas, but we never were able to get any others.

There's a pretty big tree right in the sight line of the antenna, but I was disappointed that I couldn't get anything else and I didn't have him run the line permanently. Unfortunately, it didn't help that I knew more about digital signals than the installer did.

So basically, I didn't do anything more. I still am surprised about the lack of UHF signals, but I'm going to let it go for now. I may see about finding another technician who might be better able to help, or even run the line myself.

Call Cleveland Antenna Service 440-237-6888. Jim West will answer and send his son Joel. If problem is fixable;he will do it. Highly recommend this company. I am very fussy with my TV reception, and they did well by me. Let me know how they do for you.
Other readers with antenna problems, call JIm

So basically, I didn't do anything more. I still am surprised about the lack of UHF signals, but I'm going to let it go for now. I may see about finding another technician who might be better able to help, or even run the line myself.

That is surprising. What kind of antenna are we talking here? Maybe it's VHF only?

Still, you shouldn't have any problems with the UHF signals if you're getting WKYC and WOIO that strong. They're all in the same area, antenna-wise! Every Cleveland market DT station (save for the temporary WVIZ setup and Akron's WEAO/Canton's WDLI) is within a couple miles or so of each other in the Parma area.

Good luck to you in getting someone more qualified to help ya out. I'd be surprised if you aren't able to get the rest of 'em at some point.

WEWS-DT was off for a while earlier this evening, but it's back now. It also kicked off for about 5 minutes during last night's NBA Championship game.

Thanks for the referral rlockshin.

I also think if I had taken more time to look for the channels, rather than just autoscanning, I might have found more. I'm going to keep trying.

You are very welome. Joe will check signal strength with a special instrument that measures digital signal strength. Then you go in the house and he makes minor adjustments as you look for the picture

It was pretty much a wasted afternoon. The guy ran a new cable from the antenna into a side window so we could check. When I ran a scan, I only got two channels: WKYC and WOIO (both VERY strong), but none of the UHF stations... He worked with some other antennas, but we never were able to get any others.

So basically, I didn't do anything more. I still am surprised about the lack of UHF signals, but I'm going to let it go for now. I may see about finding another technician who might be better able to help, or even run the line myself.
So you got the two lowest frequency broadcasts, but none of the UHF ones? That sure sounds suspicious. I'd try it again with a known quality VHF/UHF antenna and a good piece of RG6 cable. Some of those old South Euclid antennas may reach all the way back to the days before UHF was on the air.

Is anyone else noticing a problem in WEWS's upconverting and stretching equipment?

Any upconverting/stretching they do, I'm getting a black bar on the right side of the 16:9 screen. It's like they're not filling the entire widescreen with the upconvert. It fills out to the left OK.

I notice this on both my SA 8000HD cable box and my US Digital OTA box.

Of course, as I'm sure Hookbill will point out ( :) ), I am downconverting both boxes to 480i and displaying it on my (still pretty good) Toshiba analog 32" set. But I do not believe the set or the 480i downconvert has anything to do with it. WEWS didn't have this problem before the past couple or three days, and WKYC does not have the same problem when it upconverts and stretches material on both of the same boxes.

Anyone else notice this?

Is anyone else noticing a problem in WEWS's upconverting and stretching equipment?

Any upconverting/stretching they do, I'm getting a black bar on the right side of the 16:9 screen. It's like they're not filling the entire widescreen with the upconvert. It fills out to the left OK.

I notice this on both my SA 8000HD cable box and my US Digital OTA box.

Of course, as I'm sure Hookbill will point out ( :) ), I am downconverting both boxes to 480i and displaying it on my (still pretty good) Toshiba analog 32" set. But I do not believe the set or the 480i downconvert has anything to do with it. WEWS didn't have this problem before the past couple or three days, and WKYC does not have the same problem when it upconverts and stretches material on both of the same boxes.

Anyone else notice this?

I've just taken a look at "Good Morning America" on WEWS HD and I'm seeing a thin bar on each side of the screen. I actually prefer this as the people arn't appearing as fat.

Hope you feel better. :)

just depends how much overscan you have on your set, it is clearly different from the way it used to be, its definately less stretched, i have bars on both sides of the screen, you have more overscan so you only have a bar on the right.

WEWS doesn't know what they are doing. First they had this horrible stretch, that left about an inch on each side blank, on my set anyway. Then they took off the stretch, which is they way it should have stayed. Now they are using this half stretch. Why can't they just make up their mind.

It's probably the scanning on my set that makes it appear mostly on the right, but it is most assuredly there. And as such, when I kick the cable box into "stretch" (which actually squishes 16:9 to 4:3!), it makes the picture look a little skinnier than it should. Though, it's not as bad as if I use "stretch" (squish, as it were) on a true 16:9 HD picture.

And yes, the bars make the widescreen picture look less "squatty" in letterbox mode. I can almost live with that, though the 16:9 to 4:3 squeeze looked pretty good when the stretch is done "right".

I wrote WEWS about this, but they haven't responded. I guess I'll live with it. I agree that they should just turn off stretch-o-vision entirely.

Any Adelphia subs having problems with ESPNHD or StarzHD? All the other channels are fine but those two keep breaking up.

Thanks,

JP

[And yes, the bars make the widescreen picture look less "squatty" in letterbox mode. I can almost live with that, though the 16:9 to 4:3 squeeze looked pretty good when the stretch is done "right".]


I have the same issue here in Portage Co. Trust me, they never respond to anything. Their CE ignors every letter. They get that way you know.

On another note: I have lost WUAB=DT OTA entirely; now that Enterprise is gone I don't care too much, but it used to come in wall to wall. Are they "upgrading"?

I was in email contact with the station manager at WEWS. He said he would look into the stretch issue about 2 months ago or so. I guess this is what they came up with.

On another note: I have lost WUAB=DT OTA entirely; now that Enterprise is gone I don't care too much, but it used to come in wall to wall. Are they "upgrading"?

It appears WUAB is adding a sub-channel, a music channel I think. They probably just screwed something up, I'd try re-scanning tomorrow.

Any Adelphia subs having problems with ESPNHD or StarzHD? All the other channels are fine but those two keep breaking up.


I haven't seen any problems on ESPNHD. I don't get Starz...

It appears WUAB is adding a sub-channel, a music channel I think. They probably just screwed something up, I'd try re-scanning tomorrow.

You're right, it think its called FUSE, which I already get on Directv.

I haven't seen any problems on ESPNHD. I don't get Starz...

Thanks...the problem cleared up around 8pm.

To throw my two cents in on the the antennae thing...had an old one in the attic and ran a line for it to where my Dish receiver currently is. I live in western North Olmsted and could barely pull 2 or 3 stations. I had previously purchased the HDTV from Terk and had it pulling in the same amount of stations having it positioned behind the tv. I put the TERK in the attic and hooked up the line and BINGO!!! I get 3.1, 3.2, 5.1, 8.1, 19.1, 43.1 and 2 and 61.1 all with over 90% signal.
Just some info for anyone wondering. I was as surprised as anyone that the TERK WAY outperformed the older bigger aerial, but facts are facts and now i can finally watch TV the way it supposed to be watched!!

You're right, it think its called FUSE, which I already get on Directv.

No, it's "The Tube". Still just testing with color bars. IMO, the color bars will probably be preferable to the rock/pop music they're supposed to carry as programming. :(

Just some info for anyone wondering. I was as surprised as anyone that the TERK WAY outperformed the older bigger aerial, but facts are facts and now i can finally watch TV the way it supposed to be watched!!

Which Terk model was this? Is it the HDTVi? (Silver Sensor clone with VHF rabbit ears) Sounds like it, if you had it by the TV.

I don't know which old antenna you had up there, and I'm not an antenna expert, so I can't say why it happened for you that way. Generally speaking, Terk antennas aren't worth the cardboard boxes they're packaged in. (With one exception - the Terk rebranded version of the SquareShooter...but even then, you pay $50 extra for the ability to pick it up at Best Buy.)

Which Terk model was this? Is it the HDTVi? (Silver Sensor clone with VHF rabbit ears) Sounds like it, if you had it by the TV.

I don't know which old antenna you had up there, and I'm not an antenna expert, so I can't say why it happened for you that way. Generally speaking, Terk antennas aren't worth the cardboard boxes they're packaged in. (With one exception - the Terk rebranded version of the SquareShooter...but even then, you pay $50 extra for the ability to pick it up at Best Buy.)I agree for the most part, though with my HDTVi, I'm picking up WKYC. ;) *nudge nudge* :D

Well, Joel West came out on Friday and took his meter up on the roof. Basically, he stated that I SHOULD be able to pick up everything with little trouble, yet his meter indicated sporadic signals, indicating interference from someplace. He was able to get good signals, but had to move tha antenna around to do it. He suggested a new antenna with a rotor. I'm going to go ahead and do it, since there's no way of telling when Dish Network will get the HD locals (they're claiming early next year, but who knows what that means?)

I am glad that you were pleased with Joe ; I thought he knew what he was doing. Please keep us posted on the new antenna and rotor. Hopefully, it will solve your problems.

Well, Joel West came out on Friday and took his meter up on the roof. Basically, he stated that I SHOULD be able to pick up everything with little trouble, yet his meter indicated sporadic signals, indicating interference from someplace. He was able to get good signals, but had to move tha antenna around to do it. He suggested a new antenna with a rotor. I'm going to go ahead and do it, since there's no way of telling when Dish Network will get the HD locals (they're claiming early next year, but who knows what that means?)

I'm just curious jtscherne. Why did you pick Dish? I would have choosen D*.

I agree for the most part, though with my HDTVi, I'm picking up WKYC. ;) *nudge nudge* :D

At this rate, I'm almost gonna pick one up just to see if I can get WKYC regularly. :D It might be worth it, as the rest of the antenna would have to be pretty bad not to get the UHF DT locals here. I get a really strong signal out of the DT versions of 5, 8, 43, 49 and 61, and generally have no problems with the DT side of 19.

I can always return it if I don't get WKYC.

Oh, and good luck to you on that antenna, jts! It would almost have to be some sort of interference or pointing issue. I bet whoever had that up there before didn't do a lot of pointing for the analog stations.

Anyone else lose 5-1 around 11:30 during the NBA finals? I get mine OTA & was wondering if it was their problem or mine. Looks like a short glitch as after going to non-HD 5 for a few minutes the signal was back at the next TO...

I tuned in just past that point, so I must have missed it. But WEWS-DT did go off the air for about 5 minutes during a previous NBA Finals game, at around the same-ish time, oddly enough.

I tuned in just past that point, so I must have missed it. But WEWS-DT did go off the air for about 5 minutes during a previous NBA Finals game, at around the same-ish time, oddly enough.

It was fairly short - I got a picture freeze, huge pixellation & a very slowly changing picture, before switching to analog 5. First time I came back, I got a "signal not found", but the next commercial it was all good. 5 minutes tops, likely less.

I wonder if around 11:30 something is set to switch over automatically which gives their NBA feed trouble? Kinda' like how they'd switch to stretch-SD for Monday night football around midnight during a lot of games. 'Course killing your HD feed is a far cry from an auto-switch to stretch SD...

Overall the finals have looked very nice in HD though.

I get short, sporadic drop-outs on WEWS. I think they are having problems at the transmitter. I'm only ~3 miles from their State Rd. site, and I did not have any problems for the first few months I had a 921. All the problems began when they changed their PSIP data back around March (when they temporally lost the mapping to 5.1).

Anyone else having problems with audio on 61.1? I realize few here speak Spanish, but the audio on 61.1 is broken up, I only hear sound 1/3 of the time. Been that way for some time now, perhaps a week or two.

Anyone else having problems with audio on 61.1? I realize few here speak Spanish, but the audio on 61.1 is broken up, I only hear sound 1/3 of the time. Been that way for some time now, perhaps a week or two.
Yeah, it seems to be on-off-on-off and certainly not watchable. Univision is my soccer channel, but that is about it.

WQHS-DT's audio has always been MUCH louder than any other digital station on my STB. I have to dive for the volume control every time I tune past them!

Since I also don't speak Espanol, I haven't paid much attention to whether their audio has problems or not. But the fact it is always significantly louder than all the other local DT stations may mean something.

I'm just curious jtscherne. Why did you pick Dish? I would have choosen D*.

Sorry about the delay. Didn't get any emails, so I didn't know there were responses!

The main reason I chose Dish is because they picked up Voom. They have basically the same other HD channels (Dish has TNT, D* has Universal). The only other thing that D* has is NFL Sunday Ticket, which doesn't interest me (I'm seldom home on Sundays so wouldn't get much out of it).

Antenna installation is Friday afternoon, so hopefully the saga will end soon!

Keep us posted on the antenna. I only refer good people and Joe West knows his stuff
You should be happy.

Looks like The Tube is broadcasting. Not the greatest music, but it's something for up OTA people. :)

Well, I'm now getting all locals over the air, with the exception of WVIZ. I'm also not able to get PBS out of Akron, but I didn't expect that.

All coming in at good strength (with WJW the lowest, although still good signal).

Installation went smoothly. so all is well...

End of Saga!!

Well, I'm now getting all locals over the air, with the exception of WVIZ. I'm also not able to get PBS out of Akron, but I didn't expect that.

All coming in at good strength (with WJW the lowest, although still good signal).

Installation went smoothly. so all is well...

End of Saga!!
So Joe West came thru for you. I am very happy for you. I thought that if anybody could fix your problem, he was the one. I also was very pleased with his work. He adjusted my satellite and OTA antennas. We are lucky to have someone of that caliber available to us.

Looks like The Tube is broadcasting. Not the greatest music, but it's something for up OTA people. :)

Yep, it's up and running on 43-2. I really notice the compression artifacts, it seems worse on older filmed concert footage. If I had a traditional old CRT TV, I might not notice the compression as much -- but then I probably wouldn't own a digital OTA receiver, either... :rolleyes:

So Joe West came thru for you. I am very happy for you. I thought that if anybody could fix your problem, he was the one. I also was very pleased with his work. He adjusted my satellite and OTA antennas. We are lucky to have someone of that caliber available to us.

The nice thing about the antenna is that because of the rotor I can scan for other channels. I moved it slightly to improve WJW (which wasn't holding steady) and picked up PBS out of Akron very strongly (high 60's) and it's coming in great!

The only channel with problems is 61 (but I don't speak Spanish anyway!). The signal is strong, but there's major audio breakup that doesn't seem to want to clear, and I don't plan on moving the antenna to do anything about it...

The only channel with problems is 61 (but I don't speak Spanish anyway!). The signal is strong, but there's major audio breakup that doesn't seem to want to clear, and I don't plan on moving the antenna to do anything about it...
The audio on 61 is on their end. The audio has been messed up for well over a week now.

The audio on 61 is on their end. The audio has been messed up for well over a week now.

That's good to know, especially since the signal strength was so good.

I'm getting great signals on WTOL (CBS out of Toledo) and WJBK (Fox out of Detroit). In fact, my Detroit signal is holding better than Fox from Cleveland!

Of course, these distants might be because of atmospheric conditions, so I'll have to see if they continue...

I have the 8300 HD DVR from Adelphia. The box was installed about two weeks ago and I have seen a lot of video breakups on the HD channels...particularly, ESPN and Starz HD. Could the hard drive in the unit be going or is it something on Adelphia's end? Any help from those of you with Adelphia would be greatly appreciated. I was with D* and never had the amount of signal problems with ESPN HD that I'm having with Adelphia.....I'm not sure what's going on!

Thanks,

JP

I have the 8300 HD DVR from Adelphia. The box was installed about two weeks ago and I have seen a lot of video breakups on the HD channels...particularly, ESPN and Starz HD. Could the hard drive in the unit be going or is it something on Adelphia's end? Any help from those of you with Adelphia would be greatly appreciated. I was with D* and never had the amount of signal problems with ESPN HD that I'm having with Adelphia.....I'm not sure what's going on!

Thanks,

JP

It may be your machine does not have the latest firmware. It would be helpful if you could go to the diagnostic screen and see what version of SARA your running. If it's an older version then you should be getting an upgrade soon. Off the top of my head I can't remember what the exact version I'm running but I believe it's SARA 1.17.XX.X. iF YOU HAVE 1.14.XX.X then you simply have to wait to get an update.

Having said that don't expect too great of things from this box. It's not TiVo and you basically get what you pay for. I personally don't have STARS but I do have ESPN and I haven't noticed anything when I've looked at it. I don't believe it has anything to do with Adelphia, it's either the signal or the box.

It may be your machine does not have the latest firmware. It would be helpful if you could go to the diagnostic screen and see what version of SARA your running. If it's an older version then you should be getting an upgrade soon. Off the top of my head I can't remember what the exact version I'm running but I believe it's SARA 1.17.XX.X. iF YOU HAVE 1.14.XX.X then you simply have to wait to get an update.

Having said that don't expect too great of things from this box. It's not TiVo and you basically get what you pay for. I personally don't have STARS but I do have ESPN and I haven't noticed anything when I've looked at it. I don't believe it has anything to do with Adelphia, it's either the signal or the box.

Thanks for the info...looks like I have v. 1.87.16.1

I'll have to do some reading in the DVR forum about that version. I've had this problem with ESPNHD since the install. I wanted to make sure it's not a system wide problem here in Cleveland. I'll call and see what Adelphia says.

Thanks again!

JP

That's good to know, especially since the signal strength was so good.

I'm getting great signals on WTOL (CBS out of Toledo) and WJBK (Fox out of Detroit). In fact, my Detroit signal is holding better than Fox from Cleveland!

Of course, these distants might be because of atmospheric conditions, so I'll have to see if they continue...


There's been a lot of strong "skip" reception lately due to atmospheric conditions. I've been receiving digital stations from Pittsburgh, Columbus, Toledo, Erie, Zanesville, Johnstown/Altoona, Mansfield quite often. Summer is the time this kind of thing is most frequently noticed. Just scan the dial, turn your rotator to the right direction and you'll be surprised what shows up every now and then. :) I've been seeing a lot of other analog stations here in Canton from all over Ohio and parts of West Virginia and Pennsylvania. I keep hoping for some of the really long distance reception I used to see when I was a kid...from places like Texas, Oklahoma, Ontario and once one even coming in from Havana, Cuba! It was/is great fun. :)

I hope I hold onto the Detroit Fox station for awhile; WJW-DT is not holding well, and I've been experimenting with the rotor to find a good spot.

I hope I hold onto the Detroit Fox station for awhile; WJW-DT is not holding well, and I've been experimenting with the rotor to find a good spot.

Glad you get things cleared up! I generally have little problems with WJW-DT here with my indoor antenna in northwest Akron. I figure you'll find a way to fish them out there.

Re: The Tube...just turned it on now. And I DO have my STB feeding into an "old analog CRT", as many of you know. The pixellation is definitely awful on my CRT. Either they're gonna adjust up the bandwidth for 43-2, or they figure people don't really care as long as something's on the screen and the music is pumping out...

Shark73,
If you go into the diagnostic screen and look for the dBm signal level coming in, and it's in orange (red), the signal is below the threshold that the box likes. The number should be "white". On my SA8000HD with Wide Open West, in the spring when the ice melts, I get bad dB levels on the incoming signal. If I disconnect the other TVs in the house from the splitter at the house entrance, the problem goes away. (disconnecting the other TVs makes up for the loss at the tap on the pole)

Shark73,
If you go into the diagnostic screen and look for the dBm signal level coming in, and it's in orange (red), the signal is below the threshold that the box likes. The number should be "white". On my SA8000HD with Wide Open West, in the spring when the ice melts, I get bad dB levels on the incoming signal. If I disconnect the other TVs in the house from the splitter at the house entrance, the problem goes away. (disconnecting the other TVs makes up for the loss at the tap on the pole)

So how do you get to the diagnostic screen?
Thanks,
Steve

So how do you get to the diagnostic screen?
Thanks,
Steve

- turn the box on
- on the front panel, press and hold the big "+" button in the middle of the navigation buttons for 5 seconds until the Mail light comes on (that button is also called Enter/Select)
- let go of the big button and press the Info button
- use the front panel up/down navigation buttons to change channels, and the left/right buttons to scroll through the diagnostic screens. If you press the big "+" button again it changes the transparency of the diagnostics so you can see the video while viewing the diagnostic info.

You should see the dB reading change on "Tuner 1" as you go from channel to channel. For example my ESPN on WOW is at 751Mhz and reads -10dB (in the red, but still viewable picture). When I change to another channel carried on 651Mhz the dB reading jumps to +3dB (in white)

If I remember correctly I start losing my HD channels below about -17 to -20dB.

Re: The Tube...just turned it on now. And I DO have my STB feeding into an "old analog CRT", as many of you know. The pixellation is definitely awful on my CRT. Either they're gonna adjust up the bandwidth for 43-2, or they figure people don't really care as long as something's on the screen and the music is pumping out...I have the same setup, and it doesn't look pretty. I can only imagine what it'd look like on an expensive set. :eek: The audio itself isn't too clean either. Hopefully it's a work in progress.

I have the same setup, and it doesn't look pretty. I can only imagine what it'd look like on an expensive set. :eek: The audio itself isn't too clean either. Hopefully it's a work in progress.

Considering that I don't think I'll spend any time with "The Tube" anyway, they could have the worst picture and sound and I wouldn't really care :D

The problem is noticeable even to the untrained eye, especially when the music video has a lot of motion or quick camera cuts.

Anyone notice 25-2 now?? I did a scan on my HDTivo last night and it came up. Of course I get no signal yet. C'mon WVIZ finish your antenna already!!

- turn the box on
- on the front panel, press and hold the big "+" button in the middle of the navigation buttons for 5 seconds until the Mail light comes on (that button is also called Enter/Select)
- let go of the big button and press the Info button
- use the front panel up/down navigation buttons to change channels, and the left/right buttons to scroll through the diagnostic screens. If you press the big "+" button again it changes the transparency of the diagnostics so you can see the video while viewing the diagnostic info.

You should see the dB reading change on "Tuner 1" as you go from channel to channel. For example my ESPN on WOW is at 751Mhz and reads -10dB (in the red, but still viewable picture). When I change to another channel carried on 651Mhz the dB reading jumps to +3dB (in white)

If I remember correctly I start losing my HD channels below about -17 to -20dB.

Ok, ESPN HD from Adelphia reads 645 MHz and -12dBmV...currently I have no picture at all. Starz HD is at 645 MHZ and -12 dBmV as well....again with no picture. The other HD channels are fine...with HDNet reading at 687 and -11

I've also lost all signals for the SD HBO channels in the 200 range. They read 561 MHz and -15 dBmV.

Looks like I need to call Adelphia to see what's wrong. Does anyone have a contact at Adelphia? I no the CSR will tell me to uplug the box and that's about all they will be able to do.

Thanks,

Jim

It has been scanning for about 6 months now. If PBS is important to you , try Ch 50-1 in Akron. You could put up a small antenna to receive it aimed south. I have it and there really is not that much that I watch on it

Ok, ESPN HD from Adelphia reads 645 MHz and -12dBmV...currently I have no picture at all. Starz HD is at 645 MHZ and -12 dBmV as well....again with no picture. The other HD channels are fine...with HDNet reading at 687 and -11

I've also lost all signals for the SD HBO channels in the 200 range. They read 561 MHz and -15 dBmV.

Looks like I need to call Adelphia to see what's wrong. Does anyone have a contact at Adelphia? I no the CSR will tell me to uplug the box and that's about all they will be able to do.

Thanks,

Jim


Jim, I have both ESPN HD AND ESPN2 HD right now no problem. Picture and sound.

I think you should have someone come out to look at it. And I usually don't make that recommendation unless it's a last resort. :)

Anyone notice 25-2 now?? I did a scan on my HDTivo last night and it came up. Of course I get no signal yet. C'mon WVIZ finish your antenna already!!

Verrry interesting - I checked the titantv.com listings and we now have:

WVIZDT1
PBS 25.1 (standard WVIZ schedule)

WVIZDT3
PBS 25.2 "Ohio Channel" whatever that is

WVIZDT2
PBS 25.10 "programming unavailable"

Is this channel lineup new, or has it been this way since they've been broadcasting from the little antenna? I honestly haven't paid attention since I can't pick up their signal anyway...

WEWS 5.1 Where art thou ? It seems to be dead again. Anyone else have it MIA ?

WEWS 5.1 Where art thou ? It seems to be dead again. Anyone else have it MIA ?

It's not coming in OTA for me.

Glad to hear that it is not me. What is wrong with the engineers at WEWS ? Their signal is down more than all of the other channels combined.
Also when are WEWS and WOIO going to broadcast in 5.1

Verrry interesting - I checked the titantv.com listings and we now have:

WVIZDT1
PBS 25.1 (standard WVIZ schedule)

WVIZDT3
PBS 25.2 "Ohio Channel" whatever that is

WVIZDT2
PBS 25.10 "programming unavailable"

Is this channel lineup new, or has it been this way since they've been broadcasting from the little antenna? I honestly haven't paid attention since I can't pick up their signal anyway...

Seems the programming on 25-2 is from 9am to 5pm not sure if its new as I just did my rescan about a week ago and saw it there....Not picking up a 25-3 here on another rescan but Im like you cant pick up the signal yet.

Verrry interesting - I checked the titantv.com listings and we now have:

WVIZDT1
PBS 25.1 (standard WVIZ schedule)

I'm not sure, seems like they switch to PBS-HD around 10AM while VIZ keeps playing
Childrens shows .

WVIZDT3
PBS 25.2 "Ohio Channel" whatever that is

They play a lot of ststewide "Metropolitan Club" meetings and such. On weekends
sometimes they have tourist attractions in ohio. A lot of Ohio History Also

WVIZDT2
PBS 25.10 "programming unavailable"

This maps out to 25-9 on my DTC100 and is CRRS "Cleveland reads". Volenteers I assume read articles from the PD, New York times, etc. According to the ATSB Standard
Channels XX-01 to -09 are reserved for programming and channels XX-10 to -99 are for
Data. There is no video on this channel.



Is this channel lineup new, or has it been this way since they've been broadcasting from the little antenna? I honestly haven't paid attention since I can't pick up their signal anyway...

I can't recall If this has been "The standard" since they began "Broadcasting" last August
From Brookpark RD. I think the Ohio Channel is "New" as of last December. or so.

Channel 26 is a solid 60+ here but I still get a lot of dropouts on CRRS..

As far as WEWS goes I agree, they are having a lot of trouble keeping that thing on the air.
but WXYZ -HD comes in solid here right now its at 45 and steady.. Give it a try. When I
re-scan while pointed at 26 my set loads up with a bunch of Detroit and Canadian stations
WDIV, WJBK,WXYZ. WXYZ has a couple of subchannels local radar, and a towercam.

/Dan

The CRRS feed at least used to be on the analog WVIZ/25 SAP. I say "at least used to be" because I couldn't get it last time I tried...

I haven't been able to get WEWS Channel 5.1 OTA for three weeks. The weird part is that my OTA receiver shows the signal at 88% with no picture. What's up with that? I also have cable HD and it comes in fine there. Glad to see that it's their problem and not mine - I think.

I haven't been able to get WEWS Channel 5.1 OTA for three weeks. The weird part is that my OTA receiver shows the signal at 88% with no picture. What's up with that? I also have cable HD and it comes in fine there. Glad to see that it's their problem and not mine - I think.

I'm not much on OTA receivers, but common sense tells me that if you can get it on cable and not OTA, then I don't think it's their problem. I think it's your receiver or antennae.

Again, I'm not an OTA person.....This is just what makes sense.

I haven't been able to get WEWS Channel 5.1 OTA for three weeks. The weird part is that my OTA receiver shows the signal at 88% with no picture. What's up with that? I also have cable HD and it comes in fine there. Glad to see that it's their problem and not mine - I think.

I'm getting it OTA with no problem. It was off a few days back, but only briefly.

I watched Empire last night on WEWS-DT(via TWC). Other than a couple momentary drop outs, it was fine. I did not check the OTA signal though.
Steve

I'm not much on OTA receivers, but common sense tells me that if you can get it on cable and not OTA, then I don't think it's their problem. I think it's your receiver or antennae.

Again, I'm not an OTA person.....This is just what makes sense.

That would be one possible logical conclusion. Another would be that the feed to the cable provider is OK but there is some issue with the OTA transmitter (assuming the cable providers don't get their signal from the OTA transmitter, of course). :)

WEWS-DT is easily the most problematic OTA station for me and, like bslep, I have had more trouble than usual pulling it in over the last few weeks. 3, 8, 19, and 43 have been relatively stable.

Fox 8 is still elusive for me. I get a more stable signal from the Fox station in Detroit, especially when I turn the antenna west. I have yet to find a good spot to get a consistent signal from WJW. Of course, if I thought I'd continue to get Detroit Fox, I wouldn't care, so time will tell. WOIO is also somewhat tricky. WEWS is ok, although I'm still working on finding the best antenna spot for it...

Fox 8 is still elusive for me. I get a more stable signal from the Fox station in Detroit, especially when I turn the antenna west. I have yet to find a good spot to get a consistent signal from WJW. Of course, if I thought I'd continue to get Detroit Fox, I wouldn't care, so time will tell. WOIO is also somewhat tricky. WEWS is ok, although I'm still working on finding the best antenna spot for it...

I live in Canton ohio 38 miles from the towers and fox 8 has been rock solid ever since i have been using OTA(1YR) Rock solid signal and excellent picture quality with max reliability. ABC WEWS 5.1 USED to be very stable for me for a while but now it is a pleasant surprise if i can get it. I am getting used to living without it since it is so inconsistent. Hopefully it will be fixed by the time the football season begins!!

Vivek

Hookbill, you may be right. I did get a new OTA receiver last month, but initially I was getting WEWS with no problems whatsoever. I think I'm going to have to play with the antenna a bit. I've been waiting for this heat spell to pass before I go up into the attic, though. Bob

Well, I recorded "Empire" the other day on WEWS and watched it last night. I have to admit I did see a lot of gliches. Pixelation. Frozen pictures. Sound drop off.

Does seem they have some transmission problems.

Looks like Channel 61-DT finally fixed their audio. Just FYI.

Also, this morning, Fox was coming in like gangbusters! I wish I knew what was making the difference...

Fox 8 is still elusive for me. I get a more stable signal from the Fox station in Detroit, especially when I turn the antenna west. I have yet to find a good spot to get a consistent signal from WJW. Of course, if I thought I'd continue to get Detroit Fox, I wouldn't care, so time will tell. WOIO is also somewhat tricky. WEWS is ok, although I'm still working on finding the best antenna spot for it...

Fox 8 also has been my problem channel since going OTA over 1 year ago. I thought I was the only one. I'm probably just a bit south of you in U Heights. While many have complained about picking up the local NBC or CBS affiliates, they've always worked for me. Fox 8 works sometimes, but is unwatchable most of the time. I don't miss it because I have Directv and get the Fox HD feed from NY. As with others, I've also had the occasional pixelation with WEWS over the last few months, although it was rock solid when I started watching. I may try tweaking my antenna direction at some point.

Also, this morning, Fox was coming in like gangbusters! I wish I knew what was making the difference...

It might have something to do with today being the FCC's deadline for digital stations to start transmitting at full power. :D

(No, I can't pick up any Ohio stations where I am. I'm just looking in to see what's happening "back home." I grew up in NE Ohio a few decades ago.)

Of course, now this afternoon Fox is spotty again and WEWS is booming in! I must be in the twilight zone...

I'm pretty sure FOX 8 has been at full power on DT 31 for months, ditto with WEWS on DT 15.

The WEWS problems seem to be ongoing with their equipment.

As for me, though I usually watch the DT stations on Adelphia, I rarely have problems with WJW-DT 31. My only major OTA problem child is WKYC-DT 2 for obvious reasons.

Indoor antenna aiming out a large 2nd floor loft window, just under 20 miles from the Parma antenna farm.

BTW, I'm pretty sure Adelphia picks up the DT stations directly from the OTA signal. WEWS is always down on Adelphia when it's down OTA, and WVIZ's engineering staff tells me that Adelphia picks up even the low-power signal on DT 26 from OTA. (It helps when they have those Really Big Cable TV Receiving Antennas at the headend!)

According to the TitanTV schedule, WVIZ has it in HD on the weenie transmitter (which I can't pick it up) and WEAO (which I can get OTA) is putting it on their SD subchannel, not the HD subchannel. Aaargh.

Any chance WEAO might change their minds and put this on the HD channel Monday night? It really would be a wonderful HD showcase.

I'd guess TitanTV is wrong here.

As far as I know, WEAO runs the 24/7 national PBS HD feed on 50.1. And I'll assume that PBS itself is putting the event on that feed. So, I'd be surprised if WEAO was NOT running that on 50.1 tomorrow night...

I'd guess TitanTV is wrong here.

As far as I know, WEAO runs the 24/7 national PBS HD feed on 50.1. And I'll assume that PBS itself is putting the event on that feed. So, I'd be surprised if WEAO was NOT running that on 50.1 tomorrow night...

I just checked the pbs.org schedule directly and you're right, they will be carrying the fireworks at 8pm on WEAO's HD channel:

http://www.pbs.org/tvschedules/index.html?display_date=2005-07-04&display_time=20:00:00&feeds=2568,16085&station=WNEO&zipcode=44120&transport=&provider=

It's too bad TitanTV can't get better guide data than showing "Annenberg CPB Channel" 24/7 every day of the week...

KDKA CBS 2 Pittsburgh, has been a mess since WKYC DT 2 signed on. Time Warner Cable carries KDKA on our system. TWC told me that they are trying to get direct feed from KDKA . I think they only way they can get that is from Adelphia or Comcast in Western PA.

Any problems of KDKA's HD signal effecting WVIZ PBS?
Also WPGH FOX 53 Pittsburgh, has their HD on Channel 43. Any effects on WUAB up in the Cleveland area?

Currently TWC carries the follow HD channels in Columbiana County OH
502. KDKA (OTA channel 25 HD)
508. WJW (OTA channel 31 HD)
524. WFMJ (OTA channel 20 HD) they carry WBCB WB on 21.2
533. WYTV (OTA channel 36)
544. WUAB (OTA channel 28)
549. WNEO HD (OTA channel 46)
550. WNEO Digital

Of course, now this afternoon Fox is spotty again and WEWS is booming in! I must be in the twilight zone...

I just got my antenna hooked up and I can get just about everything but ABC 5-1 OTA. But reading about the station's issues, I'm not sure if it's my setup or them.

I'm in Strongsville and my antenna points more towards North than it does towards Parma (wanted to try to keep it on the out-of-sight side of the house).

Since I'm getting all the other networks, I'm inclined to believe it's not my setup since they're all in the same direction (and presumably if one is not being received, more would have an issue), but who knows.

Worse comes to worse, I can always move my antenna to the 'proper' side of the house, but I hate to get back up on the ladder if I don't need to!

Terk TV-55 piped directly into my HD-Tivo.

Thanks!

Not getting WEWS DT over WOW cable either. It looks like a station issue.

I'm getting audio for WEWS-DT OTA, but no video! (10:20 p.m.)

OTA on 5.1 is dead again. Why cant they fix their problem once and for all. When it is on I get 93% strength. They owe us dolby digital sound for all of their continued problems. Anyone know how soon ABC and CBS will give us 5.1 sound? Other smaller towns have it.

I have audio also,no video. Audio just popped on. Are you still happy with Joe West?

I'm in Strongsville and my antenna points more towards North than it does towards Parma (wanted to try to keep it on the out-of-sight side of the house).

Worse comes to worse, I can always move my antenna to the 'proper' side of the house, but I hate to get back up on the ladder if I don't need to!

Thanks!

Before you get back up on the ladder, I'm not sure which part of S'ville you're in, but I live near the center of town and get 3, 5, 8, 19, 43, and 61 full-strength with an indoor Zenith Silver Sensor antenna pointed out the window towards Parma. You may want to pick one up at Sears and give it a try if you have issues with your outdoor antenna and its orientation.

Before you get back up on the ladder, I'm not sure which part of S'ville you're in, but I live near the center of town and get 3, 5, 8, 19, 43, and 61 full-strength with an indoor Zenith Silver Sensor antenna pointed out the window towards Parma. You may want to pick one up at Sears and give it a try if you have issues with your outdoor antenna and its orientation.

I have a Silver Sensor hooked-up to an Echostar 921. It works well if you have a window to aim out, however if you have to aim through a wall the results are spotty at best. Both my old and new houses have aluminum siding so I attribute the siding to the spotty results.

I was able to lock onto WFMJ-DT 20 from Youngstown at my old house in Seven Hills occasionally, and got the analog 21 every day. When the "skip" was up I locked onto WPXI-DT 48 (analog 11 NBC from Pittsburgh). All this through a window.

In case anyone was wondering, Browns pre-season games on WOIO will not be HD. I emailed the programming department yesterday and that was the response.

Does anyone know from other threads here whether CBS is stepping up to the plate for the regular season and having more than 3 games a week in HD? or are we AFC fans still second class citizens?

i live in Dover, about 80 miles south of CLE - am eligible for HD locals for everyone but CBS - WOIO denied the waiver -

1)Can I even get an HD signal OTA 80 miles away?

2)How would I go about appealing the denied waiver?

3) With NFL/NCAA coming up, I want to be sure to get the Browns and SEC in HD this fall - what avenues are available if CBS plays hardball? Do I have any legal standing (i.e. they are breaking the law by not granting me a waiver?)

Any info appreciated!

80 miles is way beyond the "grade B" contour for the analog signal, as for the digital I'm not sure what,if any, criteria they use.

Have you tried to get the digital CBS signal from Pittsburgh or Steubenville/Wheeling? I know their analog signals reach Dover, I picked them up around the Leesville Lake area with a portable TV years ago.

I did a little research for you. The closest CBS affiliate to Dover is not WOIO, but WTRF-7 from Wheeling/Steubenville. The transmitter is located on the Ohio side of the river just north of Bellaire, OH (64 highway miles from Dover). Here is a coverage map for their digital signal on rf ch-32: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DS616487.html

While Dover is just beyond the contour on the map, if you are on high ground you shoud be able to lock onto the signal with a good directional UHF antenna. For example I am ~57 air miles from the Youngstown transmitters and can get a lock occasionally on WFMJ-DT and WYTV-DT (using an indoor antenna through a window). I'm sure that once I get an outside antenna these stations should come in daily (I can see their analogs daily). WKBN-DT is not yet on the air, when they do that would be another CBS you can try for (however it's 80 highway miles from Dover so WTRF still would be the closest)

Pittsburg's CBS KDKA-digital uses rf ch 25, so there may be some interference with WVIZ-TV analog. You could try it as an alternate, but WTRF seems to be your best bet.

FYI: Here is WOIO-DT's coverage map: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT428322.html
You might be able to use this map to prove you are outside WOIO's coverage area. Send this link to your DBS provider's waiver dept. to see if it will help you get CBS-HD. WOIO-DT uses rf ch-10. There is a channel 10 in both London, Ontario and Columbus that nips away at their signal on the fringes (Columbus would affect you, while those on the south shore of Lake Erie will have issues with the Canadian signal).

BTW: I can see WOIO's tower from my backyard. They have a crappy picture on their digital signal even from here at "ground zero". (the color has a pulsation that I can only get rid of by delaying the signal a few seconds via my DVR). This pulsation may only be a problem if you are watching WOIO-DT downconverted to standard definition. A poster on http://www.dbstalk.com/index.php once indicated a similar problem with WDIV in Detroit. Both that poster and I are watching the digital signals over S-Video connections. The DVR delay fixed the problem for the poster in Detroit. True HDTV sets supposedly do not see the pulsation.

Is anyone else having a WKYC issue right now? I moved my antenna a little and WKYC is lost. :eek:

I'm getting it pretty much per normal (very strong).

I'm getting it pretty much per normal (very strong).
DOH!

DOH!
There we go. What seems to be the biggest problem was having another cable running near it. Removed that and it got better. *phew* :)

Re: Dover - one of the local radio stations down there has forecasts from WTOV/9 (NBC), so the Wheeling/Steubenville TV market makes at least some attempt to serve Dover/New Philadelphia...

Re: Dover - one of the local radio stations down there has forecasts from WTOV/9 (NBC), so the Wheeling/Steubenville TV market makes at least some attempt to serve Dover/New Philadelphia...

However, keep in mind that WTRF-DT is still in the "construction" phase and is on very low power with reception reported only around the Wheeling/immediate river valley area only. WTOV-DT from Steubenville has a signal of about 80% here in Canton but there's not a trace of WTRF-DT on ch. 32. When DT reception is good from the PA area, there's often a weak, unlockable signal on ch.32 but I suspect it is from another station on that channel in the Johnstown/Altoona region.

Has anyone tried the LG LST-4200A ATSC/NTSC/Clear QAM Tuner with WOW cable? I was wondering if the standard HDTV channels were picked up by the QAM tuner, and also how the upscaler worked with the NTSC chanels. TIA for any info.


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Hey gang, I've experienced my first "Lip Sync" issue I've read about. The last couple of days its been pretty noticable on comcast's hd abc/wews. Here in Mentor it's channel 111.10. It just started doing this a few days ago. Is this something I should be concerened about? It's only happening on abc/wews hd, the regular non-hd broadcast is fine. Could this be a problem with my tv (new sony wega 50" lcd)? Thanks in advance for any replies.

Steve

Hey gang, I've experienced my first "Lip Sync" issue I've read about. The last couple of days its been pretty noticable on comcast's hd abc/wews. Here in Mentor it's channel 111.10. It just started doing this a few days ago. Is this something I should be concerened about? It's only happening on abc/wews hd, the regular non-hd broadcast is fine. Could this be a problem with my tv (new sony wega 50" lcd)? Thanks in advance for any replies.

Steve

It's not your Wega.

Good deal, thanks for the reply.

Steve

Hey gang, I've experienced my first "Lip Sync" issue I've read about. The last couple of days its been pretty noticable on comcast's hd abc/wews.

Noticed the sound sync issue on WEWS HD on WOW Cable when I tried to watch Meet The Parents. It is a station issue, WEWS really sucks at DT/HD. They always have equipment problems and will probably keep having issues until they get new equipment.

My wife researched this because we were having some problems keeping up with all the shows we recorded last year in HD. This is an external 300 gb unit and it is being discussed elsewhere in the AVS forum, but I wanted to let folks in our area with Adelphia know that is does work with the Explorer 8300. Set up was easy, just don't plug the power into the back of the unit. 300 GB more disk space. I went from 44% to 14%. The name of the unit is Maxtor 300 GB Quick View Expander.

This is ONLY for the 8300, you cannot use it with the 8000. She ordered it yesterday regular shipping and it was delivered today. Apparently they are in Pennsylvania.

Noticed the sound sync issue on WEWS HD on WOW Cable when I tried to watch Meet The Parents. It is a station issue, WEWS really sucks at DT/HD. They always have equipment problems and will probably keep having issues until they get new equipment.
I caught the lyp sync issue on WEWS OTA last night during Nightline. The sound was noticabley ahead of the video. The other channel that has this problem from time to time is WEAO-DT, on their "main" channel which is subchannel -02.

okay guys, if someone could help me that would be apperciated, I live in mogadore (actually suffield, right off of 224/martin road) I am in a two story house, and have a amplified indoor antenna (jensen) up in the attic, what channels should I be able to pick up, the only thing so far is fox hd and of course the church channels, let me know what you guys get in my area so I know to tweek this or not!thanks, oh and I have a dish 811, the most I get on channel 3 is 49 percent same with cbs and abc!

okay guys, if someone could help me that would be apperciated, I live in mogadore (actually suffield, right off of 224/martin road) I am in a two story house, and have a amplified indoor antenna (jensen) up in the attic, what channels should I be able to pick up, the only thing so far is fox hd and of course the church channels, let me know what you guys get in my area so I know to tweek this or not!thanks, oh and I have a dish 811, the most I get on channel 3 is 49 percent same with cbs and abc!
I know in NW akron, the reception is very variable to small adjustments to the rabbit ears. The position of those will determine whether I can or can't get NBC and CBS. Also, try to make sure that the line of sight from the antenna to the northish direction is as clear as possible.

As for antenna, I didn't try the Jensen. I've tried many... about 4 of them. The Terk HDTVi, the antenna the world hates, I get the best reception overall. I'm shocked you can't get Univision or UPN. I got those two channels regardless the antenna... regardless the antenna location.

i did get uni and upn, actually get those nice, the ones I cant get and after backreading dont look like I am going to get is nbc and cbs, cbs I get 0 reading maybe 25 at the most, nbc gets 54 but no lock, and abc is nada also, I would love to get my cbs nbc fox abc and wuab in high def, I am goign to keep trying, just thought maybe there was hope, thanks yespage, and do you live in the valley? I grew up in merriman valley, right on north portage path

i did get uni and upn, actually get those nice, the ones I cant get and after backreading dont look like I am going to get is nbc and cbs, cbs I get 0 reading maybe 25 at the most, nbc gets 54 but no lock, and abc is nada also, I would love to get my cbs nbc fox abc and wuab in high def, I am goign to keep trying, just thought maybe there was hope, thanks yespage, and do you live in the valley? I grew up in merriman valley, right on north portage path

I have the exact same setup with the jensen antenna in my garage attic and the Dish 811 although I live in Lagrange in Lorain county about 22 miles from the towers. Realize that the NBC and CBS HD station are on VHF, channels 2 and 10 respectively which utilize the long rabbit ears as opposed to the UHF center disk. Channel 2 was always my problem channel so I have the rabbit ears in basically the horizontal position since the lower the frequency the larger the wavelength. I never have a signal over about 75 - 78 on NBC. Realize also that with the Dish 811, if you don't get a signal over about 65 consistently, you will have picture breakups. This is because the signal strength meter is actually a signal to noise ratio and not just a signal strength. I also get the best UHF reception with the center disk pointed slightly away from the towers ( in my case to the east) and slightly upwards. By the way if you do get the CBS channel 10 (19), there appears to be a PSIP problem and the 811 won't map it to channel 19. I hope this helps.

okay guys, if someone could help me that would be apperciated, I live in mogadore (actually suffield, right off of 224/martin road) I am in a two story house, and have a amplified indoor antenna (jensen) up in the attic, what channels should I be able to pick up, the only thing so far is fox hd and of course the church channels, let me know what you guys get in my area so I know to tweek this or not!thanks, oh and I have a dish 811, the most I get on channel 3 is 49 percent same with cbs and abc!

I'm just a couple miles away from you in Springfield Twp. I can get all Cleveland, Akron, and Youngstown channels with no problem. I have an antenna on the roof with a rotor and amp.
Steve

And I live basically down the road from Yespage (northwest Akron area) and get everybody except for WKYC full-time, second floor loft, indoor non-amplified antenna aiming at Parma roughly 20 miles away.

Here's a thought...can you turn OFF the amplification in that Jensen? If I turn my amplified indoor antenna on, it kills most of the signals.

And I live basically down the road from Yespage (northwest Akron area) and get everybody except for WKYC full-time, second floor loft, indoor non-amplified antenna aiming at Parma roughly 20 miles away.

Here's a thought...can you turn OFF the amplification in that Jensen? If I turn my amplified indoor antenna on, it kills most of the signals.

no killing the amp kills the antenna, what I might do is get a silver sensor, everyone raves about those, I guess I am on a antenna search now, is a indoor antenna a bad thing for me, I am under 30 miles from the towers so I thought I was good, I see now it really does matter what antenna you have, dang dish network why cant they hurry with their mpeg4 :) I will get a silver sensor tomorrow, unless someone has another one they want me to try, give me some suggestions, I will make a best buy run soon!

no killing the amp kills the antenna, what I might do is get a silver sensor, everyone raves about those, I guess I am on a antenna search now, is a indoor antenna a bad thing for me, I am under 30 miles from the towers so I thought I was good, I see now it really does matter what antenna you have, dang dish network why cant they hurry with their mpeg4 :) I will get a silver sensor tomorrow, unless someone has another one they want me to try, give me some suggestions, I will make a best buy run soon!
I'd recommend... if you can, to buy a few antennas and spend the day getting the best signal reception. It took me a while (over a month!) to be able to get everything but the Akron stations with my antenna, but about an evening to get most of the channels.

I'm the only person who says the Terl HDTVi works. I also tried the Terk TV5 (waste of my time), Radio Shacks' 15-1880 (about the best, but to get weak NBC I'd lose Fox and ABC), Philips SAC050 (worked well like the HDTVi but was amplified... harder to put in attic). I'd recommend trying a bunch because tv reception is very individualized in a place like NE Ohio with the Valleys and the Heights. For one thing, I'm at the bottom of the valley, Inudated is higher, yet I can get a consistent NBC signal.

A couple other things I've experienced, the longer the cable the worse you are office with NBC. As I noted CBS is very touchy with the rabbit ears it seems to nearly be all or nothing with it. I did get an amplifier (radio shack one) that I have downstream by the HD receiver. Without it, NBC starts to become scattered. I've had the amplifier further upstream, but it didn't seem to matter.

Has anyone tried the LG LST-4200A ATSC/NTSC/Clear QAM Tuner with WOW cable? I was wondering if the standard HDTV channels were picked up by the QAM tuner, and also how the upscaler worked with the NTSC chanels. TIA for any info.




I have the LG LST-3510A and Adelphia cable. It's the one with the DVD player, but no NTSC support.

The LG tuner does a great job with OTA and Clear QAM. You will need to find someone with WOW to find out which channels, if any, they broadcast in the clear.

The DVD's look fantastic via DVI scaled up to 720p. Adelphia broadcasts the locals via QAM in SD as well as HD, and these look better than the analog cable channel, but not as nice as a DVD.

well I got the terk hdtvi. and I can now get all stations, well sorta, I amd tweaking tonight, and I am getting ready to go buy an amplifier at radio shack, I went to best buy and traded in the jensen for the hdtvi and this thing is a beauty! I cant wait to get my locals in Hd, I seriously feel like a school kid, I am all excited, I didnt know it was this easy!

:)

any tips you can give me yespage will be much apperciated for gettnig wkyc and woio in,I have fox in at 81% and abc in at 79% they look fantastic, now wkyc and cbs get stuck at 49% does the amp make that big of a difference for those two channels, any help anyone can give me would be apperciated as I really really want cbs in, I have abc for the buckeyes but cbs for my nfl would be GREAT! I am really really struggling here with this any tips anyone can give me is very very much apperciated!

If I thought the HDTVi could get me WKYC on a regular basis, I'd get it...other than that, I don't need it...

Someone, stop me from hitting the store! LOL!

Over the past few months usually arround 7 - 8am and now lately in the
early evening I am experiencing a signal loss. All digital channels start to tile
and eventually go blank. Analog channels have lots of snow. This goes away after
about an hour. Called Adelphia and they are going to come out. My question is that I was wondering if anyone esle is experiencing this as my first thought is this is a system problem and not a problem on my end as it happens on all my TV's with or without cable boxes.

Thanks, Joey SR

I have the LG LST-3510A and Adelphia cable. It's the one with the DVD player, but no NTSC support.

The LG tuner does a great job with OTA and Clear QAM. You will need to find someone with WOW to find out which channels, if any, they broadcast in the clear.

The DVD's look fantastic via DVI scaled up to 720p. Adelphia broadcasts the locals via QAM in SD as well as HD, and these look better than the analog cable channel, but not as nice as a DVD.

Thanks for the info, Chris. If I think that I won't use NTSC that much, I may go for the 3510 instead of the 4200. If LG would only add NTSC to the 3510, I'd get it in a heartbeat.

If I thought the HDTVi could get me WKYC on a regular basis, I'd get it...other than that, I don't need it...

Someone, stop me from hitting the store! LOL!

I'll stop you. Unless your going to actually PURCHASE an HDTV. :)

What are we going on 2 years of posting in this forum and still no HDTV? :D :D

I'll stop you. Unless your going to actually PURCHASE an HDTV. :)

What are we going on 2 years of posting in this forum and still no HDTV? :D :DBut why get the HDTV? You'd have a point if he was using composite connections on his mono audio, but with the HDTV receiver you'll get widescreen and 5.1 channel. I like such a setup, besides, the audio is the most important thing, not visual... not yet. And anyone with the HD receiver could watch the better NCAA games, as happened by coincidence this year in the NCAA Tourney.

any tips you can give me yespage will be much apperciated for gettnig wkyc and woio in,I have fox in at 81% and abc in at 79% they look fantastic, now wkyc and cbs get stuck at 49% does the amp make that big of a difference for those two channels, any help anyone can give me would be apperciated as I really really want cbs in, I have abc for the buckeyes but cbs for my nfl would be GREAT! I am really really struggling here with this any tips anyone can give me is very very much apperciated!
As I noted before, CBS (atleast in my home) is very touchy on the rabbit ears. ABC and FOX are givens. They are full blast for me most of the time.

One other thing to check out is whether there are any wires running near your antenna. This could be having an effect on the signal.

As for the amp, it's the difference between having and not having NBC... in my house with an indoor antenna. And I think the amp is more to compensate for the cable. Oh yeah, make sure you are using good cable! And just make sure of the return policy in case it ends up not working.

As for other advice, tweek tweek tweek away. Make sure you have as free a line to the horizon as possible and have as much elevation possible for the antenna. 2 vertical feet can make a huge difference in certain situations.

Hate to break in on the antennna/reception party, heh.

I was just wondering if you guys think it would help if we complained to the FCC about WBNX doing nothing at all about going digital/HD. Or would it just be wasted time?

Hate to break in on the antennna/reception party, heh.

I was just wondering if you guys think it would help if we complained to the FCC about WBNX doing nothing at all about going digital/HD. Or would it just be wasted time?I thought BNX was making with the HD quickly now that some agreement was made... I could be wrong.

Besides, the FCC is too busy checking television for nipples to care about a WB station in Cleveland. :D

But why get the HDTV? You'd have a point if he was using composite connections on his mono audio, but with the HDTV receiver you'll get widescreen and 5.1 channel. I like such a setup, besides, the audio is the most important thing, not visual... not yet. And anyone with the HD receiver could watch the better NCAA games, as happened by coincidence this year in the NCAA Tourney.

It's kind of a running joke between me and Hookbill. :D

For the record, for about the 20th time, I have my SA8000HD and US Digital OTA STB feeding component video to my Toshiba 32" analog set, and it looks great with HD content. It's downconverted to 480i, of course, but the quality difference is noticeable from SD content, even SD digital stuff.

Now, Hookbill, my birthday is August 12th, so if you want to buy me a "true HD" set...

:)

I talked to the guy at WOIO-19 on the waiver issue and he explained that WOIO-19 CBS made a business decision to deny HD waivers to ANYONE who qualifies for Cleveland locals via D*, even if they are outside the OTA circle. He also referenced the SHIVRA(?) law that states waiver are lifetime, so if WOIO were to issue one, that they would lose that customer for life for HD.

I guess my beef is this - I am too far away to get an HD signal, yet cannot get one via D* - so now will not get the SEC/NCAA football in HD this fall.....there HAS to be a way around this.....

update, I am getting fox, abc, wuab all at 85% power, NBC will lock in but stay at 56% and cbs stays at 49%, its killing me because I am so close, and I am making little little adjustments! but for everyone reading this and not sure of if they can do this or not, DO it, its is really easy, and the benefits are incredible!

okay guys one more update, and one more question, I went and bought a new antenna
it was 60 bucks, but man oh man anyways first here it is

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F003%5F001%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D2152

I know get high 80's on all channels including cbs, nbc, abc, fox, wuab and 5 others, gonna flip through those tonight, anyways my question is cbs is listed as 10, it does not remap to channel 19, any know why this is or should i call someone or do something to get it to remap? Thanks yespage for all your help, total setup cost for me was 72 dollars to enjoy 72 dollar OTA for the rest of my life, I am excited! to say the least! thanks you guys for everything, and please let me know about my question, I am off to go look at my new setup!

edit: when csi came on, cbs remapped itself to 19-01, I really want to thank you guys, I really wanted OTA, that makes my HD channels complete (well espn2 would be great, but I am happy) thanks guys again, and I cant wait to be a active part of this forum.

as of 9:30 tonight WEWS has no HD video only audio. What is wrong with them ? They have the most problems. I am watcxhing it OTA. For all of their problems they should give us DD 5.1 Hopefully by MNFootball

as of 9:30 tonight WEWS has no HD video only audio. What is wrong with them ? They have the most problems. I am watcxhing it OTA. For all of their problems they should give us DD 5.1 Hopefully by MNFootball

Comin' in fine for me OTA in Medina at 11:06. It's not HD, though. Might've been an HD problem earlier that's been "corrected" with their stretch-o-vision.

I'm watching their version of the local news right now because of you. I think I might sue. :p ;)

I think it was their HD. At 10:15 I saw 20/20 with bars on the sides . Non HD material. Before then, there was no picture on HD comedy shows

are they a station that has a lot of problems, I noticed yesterday from about 2-5 I could only get about 55% of their signal, then it went straight to 80%, even then still had some pixilation and garbled audio

as of 9:30 tonight WEWS has no HD video only audio. What is wrong with them ? They have the most problems. I am watcxhing it OTA. For all of their problems they should give us DD 5.1 Hopefully by MNFootball

Noticed the same thing. Unfortunately these problems will continue. IMO they probably have to bring in new equipment.

as of 9:30 tonight WEWS has no HD video only audio. What is wrong with them ? They have the most problems. I am watcxhing it OTA. For all of their problems they should give us DD 5.1 Hopefully by MNFootball
Isn't that going to ESPN soon?

Besides, are any of these channels required to have 5.1 or HD content? Isn't it just digital requirements?

I think it was their HD. At 10:15 I saw 20/20 with bars on the sides . Non HD material. Before then, there was no picture on HD comedy shows
I watch WEWS 11:00 PM news just about every evening. I tune in at 10:58 and see ABC programming in 4X3, then before the credits finish rolling, someone flips a switch and viola! they are broadcasting the ABC feed in 16 X 9 for the lone promo before they cut-away for the 11:00 PM news. Amazingly "Nightline" is always in 16 X 9. :rolleyes:

It used to be worse - at 11:00 PM I'd see the start of the ABC program that was on at 8:00 PM (must be the west-coast feed using the same satelite feed that the east-coast feed just ended on) before someone realized that they didn't switch over the digital feed in time.

To the WEWS engineers: Yes someone IS watching WEWS-DT. You do stretch your local newscasts, why not ABC in Primetime? Are you only stretching your newscasts to compete with WJW? Don't bother - WJW has true HD cameras in their studio - yours is stretchd SD. I can tell the difference even on my analog set in 480i :eek: Also are you aware of the occasional lyp-sync problems on your digital signal?

To the forum: Now that we know that WEWS has the ability to broadcast SD ABC programming in 16 X 9 (albeit in stretch mode) would you rather they broadcast the true 4 X 3 feed (and let the viewer's equipment handle the stretch) or give us the 16 X 9 OTA?

Isn't that going to ESPN soon?

Besides, are any of these channels required to have 5.1 or HD content? Isn't it just digital requirements?

MNF goes to ESPN next season; this will be the last year on ABC.

To the forum: Now that we know that WEWS has the ability to broadcast SD ABC programming in 16 X 9 (albeit in stretch mode) would you rather they broadcast the true 4 X 3 feed (and let the viewer's equipment handle the stretch) or give us the 16 X 9 OTA?

I'll be interested to hear the responses here. I'm torn. First of all, I'd prefer HD 16x9, but since we're talking about upconverted SD(480i) to HD(720p), it's easier on an HD16x9 tv if it doesn't show bars on either side.

Most tvs won't stretch a 4x3 HD signal to 16x9. That's a prob, but seeing a 4x3 shape on an HD channel used to be a good way to identify an upconvert(opposed to true HD).

The stretched 4x3 might be more acceptable if it reached to both sides evenly without the bowed edges. When eveything's HD 16x9, this won't be a prob.

To the forum: Now that we know that WEWS has the ability to broadcast SD ABC programming in 16 X 9 (albeit in stretch mode) would you rather they broadcast the true 4 X 3 feed (and let the viewer's equipment handle the stretch) or give us the 16 X 9 OTA?

Most people said a few pages back that WEWS should just stick with 4:3 for SD. I talked to the station manager, they said they would look into it. Then for a good week it was 4:3, then they switched to a slight stretch, and now it is back to the "almost" 16:9 stretch.

WEWS is the worst station for providing reliable DT/HD in the Cleveland market. It's pretty pathetic when the UPN affiliate can do it no problem, although their SD quality is horrible.

To the forum: Now that we know that WEWS has the ability to broadcast SD ABC programming in 16 X 9 (albeit in stretch mode) would you rather they broadcast the true 4 X 3 feed (and let the viewer's equipment handle the stretch) or give us the 16 X 9 OTA?Is that a trick question? Stretch-o-vision is as great as pan and scan... that isn't a compliment!

Is that a trick question? Stretch-o-vision is as great as pan and scan... that isn't a compliment!

Yes, my feelings too. If I want to stretch the picture I'll do it on my own. Channel 3's stretch o vision is the worst.

OTA people, can you not stretch a SD program? I can't with my tv but I can stretch it with the SA 8300.

wews is out tonight, no signal at all, I was really wanting to watch princess diaries with my wife too, dang it! lol anyone else getting anything, I have full 80's usually with wews, and I must tell you I am getting disapointed as my buckeyes will be on this station I believe and there will be some phone calls made!

As of 11:30 WEWS was back on 5-1 (OTA), FWIW. News in stretched HD.

Overall I'm relatively indifferent to SD in 4x3 or stretched to 16x9. I'm very unlikely to watch a program that's not HD unless it's something I really like & if it is, I can handle either mode. Generally I guess non-stretched typically looks better as the stretching seemingly adds some distorition, although perhaps that's WEWS poor equipment.

okay question, does wews go out like this often, in the prime time? is there someone we can call about this, or reasons they have these outages? thanks in advance

It does go out quite often. As for who to call, I would ask for chief engineer. When you speak to him push 5.1 DD sound, too. I cant believe that WEWS cannot offer that to us. Smaller markets have it. It is a major improvement over dolby pro logic

I was in contact with Mr. Stark the station manager over at WEWS in the past. If we can all come together and explain we want 4:3 for SD, and DD 5.1 in a nice letter I will send it off. Hopefully we have an english buff that can whip up something nice and convincing. ;)

Hell maybe we can get WKYC to turn off their stretch garbage too, but atleast they have DD 5.1.

You know all this time I've been wondering about baseball on WJW. It has the signs of HD but last weeks telecast was horrible.

On Tuesday when I watched the All Star Game I got that "Wow" effect. Now someone on the TiVo boards says they are broadcasting a 480i signal "upgraded" to 720p!

What a rip off. No wonder it looked so different.

Yes, they are not broadcasting HD for the regular Saturday games, just their upconverted stuff. We probably won't get HD baseball from Fox again until the playoffs. They obviously feel that football is much more important.

You know all this time I've been wondering about baseball on WJW. It has the signs of HD but last weeks telecast was horrible.

On Tuesday when I watched the All Star Game I got that "Wow" effect. Now someone on the TiVo boards says they are broadcasting a 480i signal "upgraded" to 720p!

What a rip off. No wonder it looked so different.

I don't know that it's even "upgraded". I noticed that lately Fox Saturday baseball has been a lot of widescreen SD (unless of course the game has anything to do with the Yankees (barf))

My theory was they had their HD equipment tied up on the NASCAR weekends, and that was more important to them.

FOX baseball is Widescreen SD, and will continue to be until the playoffs. The All-Star Game was in HD, and looked pretty good. FOX has obviously been working on it.

I don't know that it's even "upgraded". I noticed that lately Fox Saturday baseball has been a lot of widescreen SD (unless of course the game has anything to do with the Yankees (barf))

My theory was they had their HD equipment tied up on the NASCAR weekends, and that was more important to them.

So basically they can cover 6 football games every weekend during NFL season, but can't cover a few baseball games. They don't even have NASCAR coverage every week (TNT had the race this weekend).

I know; I'm just ranting...

NBC and TNT has NASCAR coverage the second half of the year. Fox and FX do not.

Hookbill, where did you purchase your Maxtor external drive for the SA8300HD? I can't find one anywhere.
Thanks
Handsworth

Wife bought it she said she got it from www. maxstore.com. Quick delivery, just get standard delivery they are in PA.

Hookbill, where did you purchase your Maxtor external drive for the SA8300HD? I can't find one anywhere.
Thanks
Handsworth

If you you google the part number J08M300, you will be able to find some places that sell it for less than buying it from Maxtor.
Steve

If you you google the part number J08M300, you will be able to find some places that sell it for less than buying it from Maxtor.
Steve

I don't think she bought it from Maxtor. Its www.maxstore.com. Now if Maxtor owns that I don't know.

Well this Fox SD "widescreen" Cleveland-Mariners game is "interesting" Looks like the center field cam and maybe one other are true 16:9. Fox is stretching all the other cams to fit the widescreen format. PQ pretty sucky as well.

Well this Fox SD "widescreen" Cleveland-Mariners game is "interesting" Looks like the center field cam and maybe one other are true 16:9. Fox is stretching all the other cams to fit the widescreen format. PQ pretty sucky as well.

I agree with all that.

And yet I congratulate channel 8 for using the equipment they have available. I salute them for making progress toward full HDTV.

I'm very new to the HDTV scene and have a few questions that I hope someone can answer. I'm currently with Dish Network.

1. I'm in Wooster. Is it possible to get HD broadcasts OTA from Cleveland and Akron, or am I too far away? About a month ago, I tried an indoor antenna with no success (when scanning, it only picked up one channel, but couldn't hold the signal). Would an outdoor directional antenna work?

2. Are Browns and/or Indians games broadcast in HD?

Thanks,
Coop

John,
I'm Southeast of Akron about 27 miles from the transmitters and get all the channels with no problem. I have a antenna on the roof with a rotor. I suggest you visit this website to determine your distance from the transmitters and the size of the antenna you will need: http://antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

As far as the Browns games, if the game is on Fox it will probably be in HD. If it is on CBS, it will only be in HD if it is one of the two national games. No Indians games are in HD unless it is a national game on Fox or ESPN. FSN Ohio does not do HD.

Steve

Anyone notice WOIO picture breaking up on Sunday night ? I was watching OTA at 8-9 and had much pixelation.
Thanks for your input

John,
No Indians games are in HD unless it is a national game on Fox or ESPN. FSN Ohio does not do HD.

Steve

Unless the tribe goes to the playoffs, the only place you will see them on HD is ESPN. Fox national game is not HD.

I'm very new to the HDTV scene and have a few questions that I hope someone can answer. I'm currently with Dish Network.

1. I'm in Wooster. Is it possible to get HD broadcasts OTA from Cleveland and Akron, or am I too far away? About a month ago, I tried an indoor antenna with no success (when scanning, it only picked up one channel, but couldn't hold the signal). Would an outdoor directional antenna work?

2. Are Browns and/or Indians games broadcast in HD?

Thanks,
Coop
An outdoor antenna is a must from your area. The closest OTA digital transmitter to you may be WMFD-DT 12, followed by the Akron/Canton stations WEAO-DT 50, WDLI-DT 39, and WOAC-DT 47. The one station that appeared but did not lock may be one of the above.

As for the Cleveland stations, you would need to get both VHF & UHF since WKYC and WOIO are digital in the VHF band.

CHANNEL 19/DT 10 has been solid for me for a long time. I'm <1 mi from the transmitter
signal strength is a solid 70 + but its breaking up real bad. Anyone else having issues?
thanks

Dan

CHANNEL 19/DT 10 has been solid for me for a long time. I'm <1 mi from the transmitter
signal strength is a solid 70 + but its breaking up real bad. Anyone else having issues?
thanks

Dan

I had bad breakups during King Of Queens.

"I had bad breakups during King Of Queens. "

Yeah, thats when I was posting. I switched to SD on 19 and they were still poor.
Other stations seem ok. Thanks, glad to know it wasent just me!

CHANNEL 19/DT 10 has been solid for me for a long time. I'm <1 mi from the transmitter
signal strength is a solid 70 + but its breaking up real bad. Anyone else having issues?
thanks

Dan

Tropo seems fairly strong on the upper VHF band tonight, so WBNS in Columbus or CFPL in London, ON (both on CH 10) may be skipping on top of WOIO-DT and causing the reception problems. I'm getting about 70-75% on WOIO where I usually get 100%. However, I'm getting around 45% (still not enought for a lock though) on WMFD-DT Mansfield on CH 12 where I usually get nothing from them.

EDIT: Likely WBNS, since WSYX-6 (ABC Columbus) analog coming in strong now.

CHANNEL 19/DT 10 has been solid for me for a long time. I'm <1 mi from the transmitter
signal strength is a solid 70 + but its breaking up real bad. Anyone else having issues?
thanks

Dan
I'm due south of Normandy HS, I get a solid 125 on WOIO-DT on my 921 (on E* {Dish Network}receivers the scale has an extra 25 points). I get pulsing chroma every day (had the same problem when I lived in Seven Hills). The fix is to delay the program by 2 - 3 seconds. Supposedly only a problem if you are watching in SD mode. I realize that is no help if you are using an STB that is not a DVR.

WOIO's analog signal interferes with WFMJ's signal both analog 21 and digital 20 (I'm so high up that I get the Youngstown stations virtually every day).

Why they put WOIO-DT on 10 is a mystery to me. Perhaps it was an attempt to put CBS back on a VHF frequency in Cleveland :p Bad choice, very bad! I'm willing to bet WOIO-DT is unreceivalbe the farther NE you go into Lake, Geauga and especially Ashtabula counties. CFPL used to come in nearly as strong as a local station there for years.

I'm very new to the HDTV scene and have a few questions that I hope someone can answer. I'm currently with Dish Network.

1. I'm in Wooster. Is it possible to get HD broadcasts OTA from Cleveland and Akron, or am I too far away? About a month ago, I tried an indoor antenna with no success (when scanning, it only picked up one channel, but couldn't hold the signal). Would an outdoor directional antenna work?

2. Are Browns and/or Indians games broadcast in HD?

Thanks,
Coop

I live in Eastlake,OH. About 30 miles from Transmiter in Parma. Reception of a good digital signal is not just distance. The main problem is multipath. If you can't lock on to a "clean" signal You get nothing or breakups. With analog you would get a ghost. If clouds are moving on a windy day, forget it. I live less than a thousand feet from the lake and I get Detroit ( at times ) better than Cleveland channels. It all depends on the sky and objects that reflect the signal to create multipath. I got cable even though I have a digital receiver in my hdtv. I am happier that way. And local digital stations breaks up on cable at times,too.

No audio on WVIZ-DT tonight. 26.1

please explain what pulsing chroma is and what it looks like. My ch 19-1 signal breaks up quite often in the evenings around 8-9 pm. Seems to happen more often in summer. Can anyone explain. I put on a bigger antenna and it did not help.

please explain what pulsing chroma is and what it looks like. My ch 19-1 signal breaks up quite often in the evenings around 8-9 pm. Seems to happen more often in summer. Can anyone explain. I put on a bigger antenna and it did not help.
Pulsing chroma is where some of the colors change in intensity. The more red in the picture the more I see it. So far it has only affected Dish Network 921 DVR and only on the SD outputs. In Cleveland WOIO is the only station with this problem. I tried attenuators and DC blocks but they did not solve the problem. A 921 owner in Detroit had the same problem with WDIV. The fix is to watch the digital program with a 2-3 second delay. The pulsing is not recorded on the HD of the DVR.

Rumor has it that WOIO purchased the wrong antenna when they put their "DT" station on the air.

Your problem more than likely is related to "skip" from out-of-town analog signals on ch 10. As I already stated above, ch 10 was a poor choice due to CFPL in London Ontario and WBNS in Columbus. A bigger antenna will only make the interfering station(s) come in stronger. A more directional antenna might help. You may need to aim away from the offending signal's direction by 90 degrees.

I can see WOIO's tower out my back window, so the skip is overdriven by WOIO's signal here.

Is Adelphia working for anyone tonight? I've got no digital channels at all coming in, and the analog ones have so much snow that they are unwatchable. My internet connection has been down, too, but it seems to have come back at the moment - at least briefly. I tried calling the Adelphia 888 number and it told me that I couldn't report my problem because their system was too busy. Guess I'd better get this post done quickly before it dies again.

At the moment, the internet is working and the TV signals have come back to normal. But that happened a little while ago, too, and it didn't last. We'll see what happens this time.

I've had my tv on Fox HD (708) and although I have not been watching it because I've been busy hooking up a new computer, I have looked at it from time to time and everything looked good for me.

No problems with analog, digital, HD or Internet down here in Northwest Akron, the forgotten stepchild of the Adelphia family. ;)

Sounds like you've got a local problem there...

Is Adelphia working for anyone tonight? I've got no digital channels at all coming in, and the analog ones have so much snow that they are unwatchable. My internet connection has been down, too, but it seems to have come back at the moment - at least briefly. I tried calling the Adelphia 888 number and it told me that I couldn't report my problem because their system was too busy. Guess I'd better get this post done quickly before it dies again.

At the moment, the internet is working and the TV signals have come back to normal. But that happened a little while ago, too, and it didn't last. We'll see what happens this time.


I had this same problem in Burton a few weeks ago and it took me 2 weeks and 4 service calls before I could finally convince Adelphia they had a system problem.
A week ago they finally fixed it on a pole down the street. Have your neighbors also call in the problem that was the only way I could convince them that it was their problem.

Joey

I had this same problem in Burton a few weeks ago and it took me 2 weeks and 4 service calls before I could finally convince Adelphia they had a system problem.
A week ago they finally fixed it on a pole down the street. Have your neighbors also call in the problem that was the only way I could convince them that it was their problem.

It's been working mostly since my post the other night, but it's not at all reliable. I haven't watched much TV over the past couple of months (there's really nothing on worth watching this summer), but last night I tried to watch All The President's Men on HDNet Movies. The signal would be fine for five to ten minutes at a time, then it would die for about 10 to 15 seconds, then it would come back and be good again for five to ten minutes. This cycle repeated itself all the way through the film.

When I tried to call Adelphia the other night, their automated phone system told me that it was too busy to connect me to a real person.

I run Adelphia for my HD programming and I am rather happy compared to other options out there. I have been pondering the thought of getting an HD antenna but for the four extra channels it does not seem worth it. Is this the current list for our area. I live in Maple Hts:

Cleveland, OH - abc (5) - cbs (19) - FOX (8) - NBC (3) - pbs (49) - upn (43) - pbs (25)

Any one heard of a company having more than a few more HD channels compared to what I am getting through Adelphia?

Thanks in advance.

If you mean "local" HD channels, the only one missing from the Adelphia list is WUAB/43. Oh, and WEAO/49, but they have PBS with 25.

The only other channel that would be HD if they were up, would be WB's WBNX/55. But that digital channel isn't on the air at all, due to technical issues with Canada.

I think the WOW (Wide Open West) folks may have 43, but I don't know what areas they serve, or if there's any overlap with Adelphia. WOW doesn't do Akron.

I run Adelphia for my HD programming and I am rather happy compared to other options out there. I have been pondering the thought of getting an HD antenna but for the four extra channels it does not seem worth it. Is this the current list for our area. I live in Maple Hts:

Cleveland, OH - abc (5) - cbs (19) - FOX (8) - NBC (3) - pbs (49) - upn (43) - pbs (25)

Any one heard of a company having more than a few more HD channels compared to what I am getting through Adelphia?

Thanks in advance.Over the air I get the following didital channels:

WKYC-DT 2 (3.1 & 3.2) 3.2 = "Weather Plus"
WEWS-DT 15 (5.1)
WJW-DT 31 (8.1)
WDLI-DT 39 (17.1, 17.2, 17.3, 17.4) TBN, Church Channel, JCTV, Enlace TBN
WOIO-DT 10 (19.1)
WVIZ-DT 26 (25.1, 25.2, 25.9) PBS-HD, "The Ohio Channel", CRRS (audio only)
WUAB-DT 28 (43.1, 43.2) 42.2 = "The Tube" (music videos 24x7 no commercials!)
WEAO-DT 50 (50.1, 50.2) PBS-HD, WEAO "main channel" (dup. of analog 49)
WQHS-DT 34 (61.1)

I also get 2 out-of-market channels from Youngstown:
WFMJ-DT 20 (21.1, 21.2) NBC, WB
WYTV-DT 36 (33.1) ABC

I'm located on high ground just south of the antenna farm near the point where Parma, Broadview Hts., and North Royalton meet, so YMMV.

I think the WOW (Wide Open West) folks may have 43, but I don't know what areas they serve, or if there's any overlap with Adelphia. WOW doesn't do Akron.

WOW does have WUAB-HD (UPN), but does not have the PBS-HD channels yet. Here is the list:

WKYC-HD (NBC) and Weather Plus
WOIO-HD (CBS)
WEWS-HD (ABC)
WUAB-HD (UPN)
WJW-HD (FOX)

They will be adding WVIZ-HD once their new signal is up at the end of the summer/fall. It appears from WOW's website that service is available in Maple Heights (44137).

WB's WBNX/55. But that digital channel isn't on the air at all, due to technical issues with Canada.
I thought that the Canada issues had all been worked out. Somewhere back in this thread, I thought someone mentioned that WB would be coming on line for the fall 2005 season.

Has anyone heard anything more recent about this? I wrote the station an email last week, but I haven't gotten a reply yet.

I thought that the Canada issues had all been worked out. Somewhere back in this thread, I thought someone mentioned that WB would be coming on line for the fall 2005 season.

Has anyone heard anything more recent about this? I wrote the station an email last week, but I haven't gotten a reply yet.

WBNX has shown the FCC that the interference issue has been cleared, but the FCC has not yet issued a construction permit. I got conflicting answers from WBNX, but the station manager told me they will not be broadcasting digitally, and more importantly in HD, before the 05-06 season starts. I will e-mail her again for an update.

It's been working mostly since my post the other night, but it's not at all reliable. I haven't watched much TV over the past couple of months (there's really nothing on worth watching this summer), but last night I tried to watch All The President's Men on HDNet Movies. The signal would be fine for five to ten minutes at a time, then it would die for about 10 to 15 seconds, then it would come back and be good again for five to ten minutes. This cycle repeated itself all the way through the film.

When I tried to call Adelphia the other night, their automated phone system told me that it was too busy to connect me to a real person.

When these type of things occure sometimes the ONLY way to get them to acknowledge the problem is to have someone come out. Or go down to an office of Adelphia and have them turn on their set and look.

For the record, I haven't noticed any problems in my area.

For the record, WBNX's modified application for a construction permit has still not been approved by the FCC.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=72958

They can do a lot of things without it - buy and install in-studio equipment, even buy and ready a digital transmitter - but they can't do anything that would move towards being "on air" with WBNX-DT until this is approved.

It's been sitting in the hopper since February, 2004.

For the record, WBNX's modified application for a construction permit has still not been approved by the FCC.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=72958

They can do a lot of things without it - buy and install in-studio equipment, even buy and ready a digital transmitter - but they can't do anything that would move towards being "on air" with WBNX-DT until this is approved.

It's been sitting in the hopper since February, 2004.

I was told a few months back that all the equipment has already been bought but they are still waiting on the construction permit. I wonder what is taking the FCC so long? Does it really take more than a year to approve this?

So is WVIZ now transmitting OTA HD?

Thanks,
Robert

I live in Medina about two minutes from the square. I have tried numerous indoor antennas and i could only get channels 5.1 8.1 and 43.1 and some other crappy stations. So after trying two different indoor antennas (rca 30db0 and some crappy phillips i decided to go with a terk pro for outside. So after wasting about three hrs on sunday I could get channel 3.1 and 19.1 to come in at about 30%. All my other stations were at 93-100%(channels 5.1 &8.1). Different people have told me different types of antennas, so i'm confused about which one i should get. If there is any one who lives by Route 57 in Medina please let me know what you are using.

I was told a few months back that all the equipment has already been bought but they are still waiting on the construction permit. I wonder what is taking the FCC so long? Does it really take more than a year to approve this?

It's presumably still hung up with Industry Canada (the arm of the Canadian government roughly equivalent to the FCC in terms of broadcast licenses).

They must not like WBNX's proposal, and must not feel it protects their country's station enough, though I can't see why all this is taking a year and a half to accept or deny.

So is WVIZ now transmitting OTA HD?

Presumably as they have been, low-power off their studio building on Brookpark Road. If the full-power facility in North Royalton is up, I'm not getting any signal out of it down in Akron. It'll likely be sometime in the next month or two...

So after wasting about three hrs on sunday I could get channel 3.1 and 19.1 to come in at about 30%. All my other stations were at 93-100%(channels 5.1 &8.1). Different people have told me different types of antennas, so i'm confused about which one i should get.

The difference above is that 3-1 and 19-1 are actually DT VHF 2 (3) and 10 (19), which is VHF and much more difficult to get, especially if your antenna isn't meant to get VHF.

Get a good, decent sized OUTDOOR antenna that does both VHF and UHF. I don't know which Terk you have, but they're nearly always junk. I'll leave it to the other folks here to make specific brand recommendations (since I don't have one myself), but Channel Master usually gets recommended.

Wide Open West has added channel 215 NFLHD "NFL Network" to the HD tier. It's 4:3 video with gray sidebars. I took a quick look through the EPG and didn't see any programming with the HD indicator, so I'm not sure exactly what this channel will have in HD -- hopefully some preseason games will be in HD (realizing that NFL Network stuff is mostly replays and not live...)

-- Paul

Edit: ahhh, here we go, the HD schedule:
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8664135

Browns in HD Sunday Aug 14 at 11:00pm (replay)
Now the obvious question is if this is being replayed in HD, why in the world can't WOIO show it in HD live ??

Because it's almost certainly the Giants broadcast being replayed in HD & not WOIO's. I doubt 19 has invested in HD trucks - would they carry any other local events other than the Browns pre-season?

It would be nice if they'd just snag the Giants HD feed, but I doubt they want to use NY announcers nor incur the costs in trying to do a voice overlay of the local guys on the HD video.

DaMavs,
It's Giants at Cleveland, so that implies somebody is going to have HD cameras in Cleveland. I don't think the Giants fans in NY are going to see the same game in HD live?

Maybe the only HD cameras there will be the "NFL Films" type guys, and the broadcast networks can't tap into that for a live game...

-- Paul

WOIO/WUAB is second rate. Their sports coverage picture quality, even for SD is terrible. There is no way that the HD will originate from them.

I live in Medina about two minutes from the square. I have tried numerous indoor antennas and i could only get channels 5.1 8.1 and 43.1 and some other crappy stations. So after trying two different indoor antennas (rca 30db0 and some crappy phillips i decided to go with a terk pro for outside. So after wasting about three hrs on sunday I could get channel 3.1 and 19.1 to come in at about 30%. All my other stations were at 93-100%(channels 5.1 &8.1). Different people have told me different types of antennas, so i'm confused about which one i should get. If there is any one who lives by Route 57 in Medina please let me know what you are using.


I'm a little farther south than you (in the Highpoint development south of the Stop 'N Go on Route 3), but not by much. I've got a 120" Radio Shack UHF / VHF monster in the attic over my garage, and I'm able to pick up 3, 5, 8, 17, 19, 43, 50, and 61 at 80+ strength. Three and 19 are the problem children, as they broadcast on low VHF frequencies and are prone to dropouts. Nineteen is also hit and (mostly) miss for me, but I think I'm getting a lot of multipath from the location of the antenna. Something tells me that a small nudge in direction will bring that one in at 90+% consistently.

The good news is that all of the transmitters for these stations (with the exception of 17 and 50) are in the same general direction and about 18-20 miles away. Unless you want to try for some of the fringe stations (Youngstown, Toledo, Mansfield, etc.), there's no need for a rotor should you choose a directional antenna. The two Akron stations are so close (the transmitters are in Copley) that they come in at about 99% for me even though the antenna is about 45% off from ideal.

So is WVIZ now transmitting OTA HD?

Thanks,
Robert
I finally got a lock on WVIZ-HD once I moved 2 miles SW and 100' higher than my previous home in Seven Hills. According to WVIZ's web site they have been broadcasting in HD since April '04 @ 1 Kw from a 99' tower at their Brookpark Rd. studios.

Unlike WEAO, WVIZ-DT does not broadcast the full analog channel as a subchannel. Insted the subchannels are "The Ohio Channel" and "CRRS". The Ohio channel carrys programming like PUCO board meetings and conferences. CRRS is an audio channel where volunteers read newspapers etc. for the blind. Supposedly this service is, or was formerly, available on the analog channel's SAP channel.

The main feed is PBS-HD, apparently 100% identical to WEAO's main feed (except for the "bug" in the lower right-hand corner :rolleyes: I say "apparently because I have not been home to monitor the channel in the morning.

It's Giants at Cleveland, so that implies somebody is going to have HD cameras in Cleveland. I don't think the Giants fans in NY are going to see the same game in HD live?
I had presumed the NY market would get the game in HD, them being NYC and all, but checking out WNBC's schedule page it does not show the game in HD either.

Maybe the only HD cameras there will be the "NFL Films" type guys, and the broadcast networks can't tap into that for a live game...

Yes it appears so, just the NFL channel will have the HD. Kinda' sad that NFL TV is going to the trouble of doing the game in HD, but no one can watch it live in HD. You'd think they'd offer up the HD feed to at least one of the markets. I guess this means they'll have their own announcers too so that 3 sets of announcers will be doing TV for the exhibition game? Odd.

I finally got a lock on WVIZ-HD once I moved 2 miles SW and 100' higher than my previous home in Seven Hills. According to WVIZ's web site they have been broadcasting in HD since April '04 @ 1 Kw from a 99' tower at their Brookpark Rd. studios.

Unlike WEAO, WVIZ-DT does not broadcast the full analog channel as a subchannel. Insted the subchannels are "The Ohio Channel" and "CRRS". The Ohio channel carrys programming like PUCO board meetings and conferences. CRRS is an audio channel where volunteers read newspapers etc. for the blind. Supposedly this service is, or was formerly, available on the analog channel's SAP channel.

The main feed is PBS-HD, apparently 100% identical to WEAO's main feed (except for the "bug" in the lower right-hand corner :rolleyes: I say "apparently because I have not been home to monitor the channel in the morning.

When will WVIZ-HD go full power. Anyone have any info on this?

WVIZ-DT will be at full power by the end of summer.

WVIZ-DT will be at full power by the end of summer.


Thanks for the info

That Browns/Giants game, from what I understand in another thread, will be on in NYC in HD. It won't be on here in HD, I'd bet on it.

I'm a little farther south than you (in the Highpoint development south of the Stop 'N Go on Route 3), but not by much. I've got a 120" Radio Shack UHF / VHF monster in the attic over my garage, and I'm able to pick up 3, 5, 8, 17, 19, 43, 50, and 61 at 80+ strength. Three and 19 are the problem children, as they broadcast on low VHF frequencies and are prone to dropouts. Nineteen is also hit and (mostly) miss for me, but I think I'm getting a lot of multipath from the location of the antenna. Something tells me that a small nudge in direction will bring that one in at 90+% consistently.

The good news is that all of the transmitters for these stations (with the exception of 17 and 50) are in the same general direction and about 18-20 miles away. Unless you want to try for some of the fringe stations (Youngstown, Toledo, Mansfield, etc.), there's no need for a rotor should you choose a directional antenna. The two Akron stations are so close (the transmitters are in Copley) that they come in at about 99% for me even though the antenna is about 45% off from ideal.

Do you think i need that big of an anteena, i'll be mounting it on my roof top of my condo. I was thinking of getting a $60 or $40 antenna from radio shack. All i want is to pick up my locals in HD. I really want CBS for the Browns games. I'm tired of by antennas that dont work so thats why i trying to decide if I need a big antenna or like a medium size since i'll have it on my roof with nothing in the way

Do you think i need that big of an anteena, i'll be mounting it on my roof top of my condo. I was thinking of getting a $60 or $40 antenna from radio shack. All i want is to pick up my locals in HD. I really want CBS for the Browns games. I'm tired of by antennas that dont work so thats why i trying to decide if I need a big antenna or like a medium size since i'll have it on my roof with nothing in the way

I would check out http://www.antennaweb.org for the recommendations from there based on your specific location. My guess is that you will not need something as big as I have if you're putting it outside. I'm hampered by the fact that I wanted one in my attic, and I was willing to go with a bigger antenna to overcome the attenuation of the siding.

I think, though, the biggest secret is to get one that does both UHF and VHF well, as NBC and CBS both broadcast on low VHF frequencies (channels 2 and 10, respectively). I think a lot of people get less than optimal reception simply because most of the antennas that are marketed as "HD" ones only focus on the VHF frequencies since the vast majority of the country doesn't have digital signals being broadcast down in the VHF range.

I went through 4 or 5 indoor antennas that wouldn't get squat before I finally bit the bullet and went with the big one. Personally I'm glad that I did. But, again, if you're going outside with yours, you probably don't need 120" of reception power.

Why dont you call Jim West of Cleveland antenna service. he will send his son Joel out and solve your pronlem. Quit screwing around on yor own. Number is 440 237 6888. They are the best in this area. They have helped many people from this forum. Good luck

Hey everyone. I just called adelphia (2 week wait) to come out and install a HDbox for a newly purchased Sharp 37G4U LCD television (has separate AVC box). I had a couple of questions before they came out, but no-one at the adelphia has a clue about.

Is there a difference between the SA8300HD and SD8000HD boxes? I am assuming that Adelphia is using the 8000 boxes in Cleveland (downtown), right? If the 8300 is "better" is it possible to request that instead?

As far as other hookups, this is what I was plannning....does it make sense or is there a better option to "optimize" the picture? We mostly watch TV and occasionally a DVD.

Adelphia HD Box --> Aquos 37 box by HDMI
Media Center PC --> Aquos 37 box by DVI-I
DVD player --> Aquos 37 G4U by component cables

Thanks in advance for the replies..I really appreciate your help!

Hey everyone. I just called adelphia (2 week wait) to come out and install a HDbox for a newly purchased Sharp 37G4U LCD television (has separate AVC box). I had a couple of questions before they came out, but no-one at the adelphia has a clue about.

Is there a difference between the SA8300HD and SD8000HD boxes? I am assuming that Adelphia is using the 8000 boxes in Cleveland (downtown), right? If the 8300 is "better" is it possible to request that instead?

As far as other hookups, this is what I was plannning....does it make sense or is there a better option to "optimize" the picture? We mostly watch TV and occasionally a DVD.

Adelphia HD Box --> Aquos 37 box by HDMI
Media Center PC --> Aquos 37 box by DVI-I
DVD player --> Aquos 37 G4U by component cables

Thanks in advance for the replies..I really appreciate your help!

First welcome to the forum. Second, Adelphia doesn't have a clue about anything.

Fortunately, some of us do. :)

I would consider the 8300 to be a superior box. The reason I say that is because it has an HDMI that is active (if you have DVI you can purchase a converter on ebay for about 20 bucks). Also the 8300 has a "pass thru" mode or actually it can select what the proper format is for the channel your on, provided your set up allows for multiple screens such as 720 p, 1080i, and 480i.

In addition the 8300 has an active sata port to allow you to hook up an additional hard drive to allow greater capacity. If your planning on recording a good deal of HD this may be important to you.

Other then that I can't think of too many differences between the 8300 and the 8000. It has been said that the 8300 is more "reliable"; however I think that is a matter of opinion. You should be able to get the 8300 upon request. If they come by with an 8000 or if you already have it then take it in to a local office and request an 8300. Make sure they have one in stock first.

Then again, they told me they had one in stock the first time I went to get one. But that's another Adelphia story. :rolleyes:

WVIZ digital OTA will not be on the air until spring. I was told that by someone at the station

WVIZ digital OTA will not be on the air until spring. I was told that by someone at the station

Hopefully that is not true. WVIZ seemed pretty sure they would get their new signal up and running by the summer, and at the latest at the end of the summer. I did e-mail WVIZ for an update about a week back, hopefully someone there will get around to responding to it.

FWIW, we got screwed out of an HD Indians/Yankees game last night thanks to those wonderful blackout rules. It was on ESPNHD but we Clevelanders had to settle for FSN's mediocre PQ.

I actually got it on ESPNHD on my SA8000HD for a couple minutes, until the box got the message from the headend and blanked the screen. Grrrrr....

They are having trouble with the transmitting tower rights. Do not look for it soon. My source is high up at the station. Get a rotor and pick up same HD PBS programming from Ch 50-1 in Akron. Tower is in NW Akron. Use Cleveland antenna and they will fix you right up

They are having trouble with the transmitting tower rights. Do not look for it soon. My source is high up at the station. Get a rotor and pick up same HD PBS programming from Ch 50-1 in Akron. Tower is in NW Akron. Use Cleveland antenna and they will fix you right up

Umm, how new is your "inside" information?

WVIZ's engineer posted IN THIS VERY THREAD that those rights issues were resolved (re: Infinity Radio), and that they were moving ahead on designing and building the full-power facility in North Royalton, with ETA sometime this summer.

Let me go find the message...

OK, my confusion, the information above wasn't posted by WVIZ's engineer (who came on here for 3 messages unrelated to this issue), but by me, quoting an E-Mail he'd sent me late last year.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4786653&&#post4786653

Let the good folks at WVIZ off the hook on this one...their full-power DT installation has been delayed entirely due to a legal dispute with Infinity Broadcasting, which owns the North Royalton site where their analog transmitter and antenna resides. (It's also the home of Infinity's WNCX/98.5 and Radio One's WERE/1300, Infinity owns the site.)

WVIZ's engineering folks tell me that the dispute has been resolved, and they're designing a DT setup to the specifications agreed to in that settlement of the dispute. Add in the time needed to order and install equipment to those specs, and WVIZ-DT 26 should be at full power sometime in the summer.

Do you have newer information than this?

My information came from their engineering dept on Thursday 8/4

Well I just hope they can get another antenna rather than pull the one off the side
of the studio.

My information came from their engineering dept on Thursday 8/4

Well, I don't understand it, since as far as we knew a few months ago, "rights issues" were all negotiated and solved. Something else must have popped up, either with Infinity or otherwise.

Oh, well. It's not like I need it, anyway.

So looks like the reason I wasn't getting WVIZ-DT was not because of my receiver. I was worried about my STB because no matter how much I play with the rooftop antenna I can only get, according to the STB, about 50% reading on channels I can receive.

It's presumably still hung up with Industry Canada (the arm of the Canadian government roughly equivalent to the FCC in terms of broadcast licenses).

They must not like WBNX's proposal, and must not feel it protects their country's station enough, though I can't see why all this is taking a year and a half to accept or deny.



Presumably as they have been, low-power off their studio building on Brookpark Road. If the full-power facility in North Royalton is up, I'm not getting any signal out of it down in Akron. It'll likely be sometime in the next month or two...



The difference above is that 3-1 and 19-1 are actually DT VHF 2 (3) and 10 (19), which is VHF and much more difficult to get, especially if your antenna isn't meant to get VHF.

Get a good, decent sized OUTDOOR antenna that does both VHF and UHF. I don't know which Terk you have, but they're nearly always junk. I'll leave it to the other folks here to make specific brand recommendations (since I don't have one myself), but Channel Master usually gets recommended.


I finally used the rabbit ears on my antenna that came with the phillips hd antenna(indoor) and i can now get cbs to come in at 69%. If i get a small to medium outside antenna do you think I could pull in nbc with it and get a better signal with cbs. Right now i cant get nbc. Also does anyone know if they broadcast the Browns games in HD. I hope so because this is why i'm fooling around with this antenna in the first place!

I finally used the rabbit ears on my antenna that came with the phillips hd antenna(indoor) and i can now get cbs to come in at 69%. If i get a small to medium outside antenna do you think I could pull in nbc with it and get a better signal with cbs. Right now i cant get nbc. Also does anyone know if they broadcast the Browns games in HD. I hope so because this is why i'm fooling around with this antenna in the first place!

The only chance of seeing the Browns in HD would be a national game. WOIO does not broadcast regular games in HD.

The only chance of seeing the Browns in HD would be a national game. WOIO does not broadcast regular games in HD.
is that just locally or around the U.S. because i have the nfl package and the always say watch the games in HD

Yes, even though the NFL is increasing its HD presence this year, it doesn't say you can watch EVERY game in HD. I think Phoenix is right; unless the game is a national "game of the week," your chances of seeing it in HD are slim to none.

And the preseason games are produced by the local market's affiliate, of not necessarily the same network as the network that carries the regular season games. It's been like that in Cleveland, where WKYC/3 (NBC) locally produced preseason games, but CBS had the regular season.

This year, CBS affiliate WOIO/19 is producing and airing the preseason games. But, again, it's separate from the network feeds in the regular season - WOIO does not produce those, it just carries them from CBS.

And Cleveland's no-local-HD-sports tradition continues. Oddly enough, the Browns/Giants preseason game this year IS being produced in HD, but only by the New York City station running the Giants this preseason. As far as I know, that feed won't be aired on WOIO-DT, since they're producing their own SD show.

NFL Network HD is carrying the game in HD (presumably with NYC announcers), but on delay. I don't know if they'll air that locally on NFL Network HD (Adelphia carries it).

I finally used the rabbit ears on my antenna that came with the phillips hd antenna(indoor) and i can now get cbs to come in at 69%. If i get a small to medium outside antenna do you think I could pull in nbc with it and get a better signal with cbs. Right now i cant get nbc.

Yes, you'd likely have a better shot with an outdoor antenna in any case.

BTW, both WOIO/19 (CBS) and WKYC/3 (NBC) are VHF stations. WOIO is on DT 10 and WKYC is on DT 3. The rabbit ears are likely not getting WKYC because it's a very tough catch on an indoor antenna, in most of the area.

And the preseason games are produced by the local market's affiliate, of not necessarily the same network as the network that carries the regular season games. It's been like that in Cleveland, where WKYC/3 (NBC) locally produced preseason games, but CBS had the regular season.

This year, CBS affiliate WOIO/19 is producing and airing the preseason games. But, again, it's separate from the network feeds in the regular season - WOIO does not produce those, it just carries them from CBS.

And Cleveland's no-local-HD-sports tradition continues. Oddly enough, the Browns/Giants preseason game this year IS being produced in HD, but only by the New York City station running the Giants this preseason. As far as I know, that feed won't be aired on WOIO-DT, since they're producing their own SD show.

NFL Network HD is carrying the game in HD (presumably with NYC announcers), but on delay. I don't know if they'll air that locally on NFL Network HD (Adelphia carries it).

Last year since I didn't have CBS in hd I didn't watch that many Browns games. Are you saying the majority of Browns games were NOT broadcast in hd?

WKYC-DT is on the lowest VHF channel ch 2. The lower the channel number the larger the antenna elements have to get a good signal.

For chanel 2 you need an 8' "wingspan". Even if the rabbit ears does fine for WOIO, they are on ch 10 which is a much shorter wavelength than 2. Some UHF-only antennas will get ch 10 but you don't stand a chance of geting ch 2 with that kind of antenna.

I've seen some Silver Sensors with rabbit ears added. You migh want to try oneof these. Radio Shack may have them (although they may not be called "Silver Sensor" at RatShack).

Here is what it looks like: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/silver.html If you see one with the rabbit ears added on the back that's the one to try.

Last year since I didn't have CBS in hd I didn't watch that many Browns games. Are you saying the majority of Browns games were NOT broadcast in hd?

Oh, no...I mean none of the preseason ones were, or will be.

In the regular season itself, WOIO carries whatever HD games CBS sends, that are appropriate for its market. So, if the Browns game is in HD, they'll have it. If another non-Browns game is in HD, and is available to it, they'll have it. They will run whatever game(s) they run on the analog channel...there's no splitting of games separately on the DT side. But if that game on the analog channel happens to be in HD, it'll be in HD on WOIO-DT.

This is all about regular season. The preseason runs under local broadcast rights rules.

The problem last year, of course, was that as the Browns started stinking up the place, CBS had less incentive to add the Browns games in HD. I don't know when they make the decision to send the HD truck, but I don't seem to recall many HD Browns games after about mid-season... If the Browns are playing a major market team (NYC, etc.), or a very good team in a major market (New England, etc.), that increases the chances of an HD game, especially if it's being broadcast back to that market.

The other problem here is that CBS only does (even this year) 3 HD games a week. If FOX covers the game, it'd likely be in HD, as they do nearly all of theirs in HD. So, when the Redskins came to town last year, it was on FOX 8 in HD.

Usual TV rules apply...the road team's conference determines who does the game. All Browns regular season road games are on CBS (WOIO). Home games can be on CBS, if the Browns play an AFC team, or on FOX, if they play an NFC team.

is there a number we can call to complain about the games not being in HD. Also I think it's stupid we even have to mess with an antenna to get the local channels in HD with satellite

The basic excuse from the satellite companies is that they don't have the bandwidth to push local HD channels. Both Dish and DirecTV are adding more capacity and have promised HD locals reasonably soon.

As to HD pre-season games, the only local station to spend any real HD money has been WJW, although the only local HD programming they have is the news. WKYC did a few local commercials a while back that they showed during the Olympics last year. Otherwise, I suspect you can complain to WOIO, but I doubt they'll listen very much.

Attention Cleveland DTV watchers using OTA STB's - At about 1pm on Wednesday, 8/10 WJW will be making some changes to it's DTV stream - which, depending on your STB, may or may not require you to re-scan in order to receive WJW 8-1. We'll be contacting the cable head ends (that we know about) ahead of time, so there should be minimum loss of service to most cable customers. Thanks!

Attention Cleveland DTV watchers using OTA STB's - At about 1pm on Wednesday, 8/10 WJW will be making some changes to it's DTV stream - which, depending on your STB, may or may not require you to re-scan in order to receive WJW 8-1. We'll be contacting the cable head ends (that we know about) ahead of time, so there should be minimum loss of service to most cable customers. Thanks!
Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully Adelphia is one of your cable companies you will notify.

WJW will be making some changes to it's DTV stream....
Very nice of you to drop in and let everyone know. Thanks!

Well THAT was a thoughtful thing to do. BRAVO!

Very good, and thanks to WJW's engineering staff for letting us know! It's a simple thing - getting on here and posting a message - but it'll probably help assuage some calls later. :D

I'm guessing that WJW is finally fixing its PSIP to include program listings?

And I sure HOPE they notify Adelphia, considering it's one of the big providers locally... of course, knowing Adelphia, they'll probably have a phone operator write it down and use the message to eat lunch on!

Is WEWS at it again ? I turned on Boston Legal and nothing on 5.1. Seems like every week they have an outage. Signal strength is 77 on my Samsung DTV 160. I assume it is them because all other channels are fine

WEWS - I'm getting 84/100 signal but no picture or sound.

Is WEWS at it again ? I turned on Boston Legal and nothing on 5.1. Seems like every week they have an outage. Signal strength is 77 on my Samsung DTV 160. I assume it is them because all other channels are fine

No Signal OTA here - they were OK earlier today

Correction: 100% signal, but black screen. ID's as "WEWS-DT" so PSIP must be there.

Same here - came down & turned on the TV to a solid black picture on ABC - signal is there, but no sound or pic. Checked from 10 on w/the recording & there was a closing credit from the 9PM show to start the recording (like a second's worth) and then blank for the next 30 minutes. How can they be that consistently awful?

OTA reception BTW.

Is WEWS at it again ? I turned on Boston Legal and nothing on 5.1. Seems like every week they have an outage. Signal strength is 77 on my Samsung DTV 160. I assume it is them because all other channels are fine
I had 116 - 120 signal strength (off the OTA tuner of my E* 921) on WEWS-DT but no picture or sound at 8:00 PM last night. Someone must have been asleep at the wheel and failed to switch over the DT feed, which is becoming clear to me that is a seperate act on the part of the station's master control.

Here is another example of master control being asleep at the wheel: The night before I was picking up WYTV-DT the ABC affilliate out of Youngstown. When the Hall of Fame game was over the screen went black for several seconds then I saw a picture of the Space Shuttle launch, the audio was an engineer testing DD 5.1 ("Left front, center, right front, right rear...) the ABC logo/bug was in the lower right corner. This had to be the HD feed from ABC during the time the late local news was supposed to be on, never meant to be seen OTA. (btw: I did check the analog WYTV 33 and they did have the late local news on). I was able to save this tidbit on the 921's hard drive, if for nothing else than a DD 5.1 test.

is there a number we can call to complain about the games not being in HD.

Complain to the programming department:
lmcmanus@raycommedia.com

and/or the station manager:
jsmith@raycommedia.com

Contact numbers and email addresses listed here:
http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=152814&nav=WgbT10jP

There's not much the local station people can do, but hopefully they are putting increasing pressure on the network to fix this situation for next season. It's too bad CBS went from first to worst in NFL HD coverage.

CBS announces which games will be in HD on their website. Last year they announced which 3 games of the week would be HD in 3 week blocks, about 3 weeks(?) ahead of time.

(side note: it seems my forum notifications have gone flaky again...)

I've given up on regular notifications. It is extremely spotty.

The HOF game Monday night had some problems, though I don't know if it was network or local. I'm guessing network, because in some of the breakups, they switched to an upconverted SD signal fairly quickly, and the HD ABC bug was still up in the lower right corner (along with the SD ABC bug in the lower right of the SD frame!).

I'm pretty sure that unlike FOX and its splicer, the ABC HD bug is added at the network level.

Has anyone checked WJW DT to see if today's change at 1 pm made them lose the channel and make a rescan necessary. I will check mine tonight

8-1 works but I noticed a couple seconds delay. It was not there before. Nothing that bad and not a reason for action. Anyone else see the slight delay ?

I get WJW-HD from Adelphia and I watched the news this evening and everything was fine. I never knew it went down (if it did). :)

Last year since I didn't have CBS in hd I didn't watch that many Browns games. Are you saying the majority of Browns games were NOT broadcast in hd?

Now that the local WOW Cable is carrying NFL Network HD (Channel 215) I'm gonna ssume the NY-produced Giants/Browns HD tape delay at 11pm Saturday WILL be shown here on Wow Cable HD. Will report back.

(Edit: Sorry...Paule123 covered this scheduled tape delay last week, but since so many have asked about Browns and HD I thought I'd keep this here and report back if it was truly on and in HD).

Ted

Hi all

I'm new to the HD stuff here. I finally went out and got the DirecTV DVR. The sat HD feeds look really nice. i can get most of the locals but WJW. I get about 70-80 on all the other locals but only about a 20 signal strength with FOX. I'm in Twinsburg. Any ideas?

Also I'm having some guide problems on WNEO ch 50. No guide data comes in. I get great signal on ch 50 but no guide data. I am getting guide data on Ch 45/49 but no signal. I really need the guide to make my HD TiVo work well.

Thanks