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Inundated

08-12-05, 12:04 AM

To clarify...on MY OTA receiver, WEAO shows up as 50-1/50-2 only. It sounds like there's some internal mapping in DirecTV's guide that has it showing up as 49-1 for you, unless that's the analog side. When you go to 49-1, is it the PBS HD schedule or the regular WNEO/WEAO schedule?

About FOX HD NY, there should be NO waiver at all, with WJW being an owned and operated station. Go here, and read the thing at the bottom to the DirecTV phone rep:

http://www.directv.com/see/landing/fox_hd.html

I've quoted it below:

The FOX HDTV programming currently available for eligible customers is from either WNYW (New York) or KTTV (Los Angeles), depending upon your geographic location. The select markets where eligible customers may receive the feeds are: New York, NY, Los Angeles, CA, Chicago, IL, Philadelphia, PA, Boston, MA, Dallas, TX, Washington D.C., Minneapolis, MN, Detroit, MI, Atlanta, GA, Houston, TX, Tampa Bay, FL, Orlando, FL, Cleveland, OH, Phoenix, AZ, Denver, CO, St. Louis, MO, Milwaukee, WI, Kansas City, MO, Salt Lake City, UT, Birmingham, AL, Memphis, TN, Greensboro, NC, and Austin, TX.

Now, it does mention about other FOX stations in nearby areas maybe requiring a waiver, but as far as I know, no FOX affiliate anywhere near Cleveland puts enough of a signal into this market to cause any such problems. WPGH/Pittsburgh, WFXP/Erie, WJBK/Detroit, WUPW/Toledo and WTTE/Columbus would be the only nearby full-power FOX stations, and all three are some 100 miles away. (And WJBK is an O&O, too.) The FOX affiliate in Youngstown is actually a pair of low-power stations, neither of which can be received anywhere NEAR here.

rlockshin

08-12-05, 06:42 AM

To clarify...on MY OTA receiver, WEAO shows up as 50-1/50-2 only. It sounds like there's some internal mapping in DirecTV's guide that has it showing up as 49-1 for you, unless that's the analog side. When you go to 49-1, is it the PBS HD schedule or the regular WNEO/WEAO schedule?

About FOX HD NY, there should be NO waiver at all, with WJW being an owned and operated station. Go here, and read the thing at the bottom to the DirecTV phone rep:

http://www.directv.com/see/landing/fox_hd.html

I've quoted it below:

Now, it does mention about other FOX stations in nearby areas maybe requiring a waiver, but as far as I know, no FOX affiliate anywhere near Cleveland puts enough of a signal into this market to cause any such problems. WPGH/Pittsburgh, WFXP/Erie, WJBK/Detroit, WUPW/Toledo and WTTE/Columbus would be the only nearby full-power FOX stations, and all three are some 100 miles away. (And WJBK is an O&O, too.) The FOX affiliate in Youngstown is actually a pair of low-power stations, neither of which can be received anywhere NEAR here.

It shows up in HD on 49-1 nad 50-1.SD feed is on both 49-2 and 50-2. DTV guide shows programs under49-1 and 2. I live near he tower maybe that is why I get it on both channels. I have discussed this with the station and they have no idea why I get 49-1 wih program listings

kosar1985

08-12-05, 06:58 AM

It shows up in HD on 49-1 nad 50-1.SD feed is on both 49-2 and 50-2. DTV guide shows programs under49-1 and 2. I live near he tower maybe that is why I get it on both channels. I have discussed this with the station and they have no idea why I get 49-1 wih program listings
has anyone actually been given the rights to watch local channels from the waivers

EricG

08-12-05, 02:18 PM

Do you only get guide data on Ch49 like I do? I spoke with engineering over at the station yesterday. There not sure why I'm seeing this, but they're going to look into it and make some tweaks, So I gather things aren't exactly right.
BTW, where does the Guide Data come from? The local channels or DirecTV? If from the locals, why do I get Guide Data on CH46 Digital when I cannot get a picture and sound, but I get no Guide Data on CH 50 where I get a great signal?

It shows up in HD on 49-1 nad 50-1.SD feed is on both 49-2 and 50-2. DTV guide shows programs under49-1 and 2. I live near he tower maybe that is why I get it on both channels. I have discussed this with the station and they have no idea why I get 49-1 wih program listings

Inundated

08-12-05, 06:16 PM

Do you only get guide data on Ch49 like I do? I spoke with engineering over at the station yesterday. There not sure why I'm seeing this, but they're going to look into it and make some tweaks, So I gather things aren't exactly right.

It sounds like something DirecTV has to fix in their guide. Part of it may be due to the fact that WEAO is the only local station that doesn't remap to its OTA analog number (49) on the DT channel.

rlockshin

08-12-05, 07:01 PM

I do not know how it works but I watch on 49-1 in HD and it is the same as 50-1. 49-1 gives me guide data;50-1 does not. I guess I am lucky that I get guide data at all

EricG

08-13-05, 11:47 AM

I'm not sure that's true. According to TitanTV.com, WNEO is on 46 while WEAO is on 50. But AntennaWeb only lists WEAO ch 50. Who knows??
It sounds like something DirecTV has to fix in their guide. Part of it may be due to the fact that WEAO is the only local station that doesn't remap to its OTA analog number (49) on the DT channel.

Rob Ables

08-13-05, 06:47 PM

Anyone know if the Browns game is in HD tonight on WOIO?

hookbill

08-13-05, 07:03 PM

From what I read in previous discussions, it isn't. :)

jtscherne

08-14-05, 03:15 AM

And maybe it was just as well. Do we really need to see Bob Golic in HD? That was one of the most PAINFUL broadcasts of a sporting event I've ever heard. Not that I watched much of the delay, but listening to them try to fill that hour made me want to find a blackboard for my fingernails. I have no idea who at the Browns or WOIO who thought that Golic could do play by play!

Anyway, let's state it again: NONE of the Browns pre-season games this year will be in HD. They are all locally produced and WOIO is not doing any local HD production.

Rijax

08-14-05, 09:00 AM

Do we really need to see Bob Golic in HD? That was one of the most PAINFUL broadcasts of a sporting event I've ever heard. And THAT's the truth. I like Bob. He's a very nice guy. But, that was the WORST I've ever heard anyone do. Brian Brennan and Reggie Rucker did much better, but in fairness, Golic had the heavier responsibility. I gotta go see what the PD has to say about it. This could be brutal. :eek:

ted_b

08-14-05, 05:19 PM

And THAT's the truth. I like Bob. He's a very nice guy. But, that was the WORST I've ever heard anyone do. Brian Brennan and Reggie Rucker did much better, but in fairness, Golic had the heavier responsibility. I gotta go see what the PD has to say about it. This could be brutal. :eek:

Very painful to sit through. When I heard them struggling for comments BEFORE the lightning delay, and then to think that they'd have to fill time....oh my God! If I heard Brian Brennan say "The Browns are going to be exciting, with lots of new players" one more time! The banter was such that it seemed they had little if any time to rehearse. It was pathetic. Reggie Rucker was ok, but that's not saying much.

I'll spend a few minutes reviewing the HD broadcast tape delay tonight on NFL Network HD. Can't imagine the NY local coverage could be anywhere near the level of banality as was the WOIO crew.

Ted

Inundated

08-14-05, 07:39 PM

I'm not sure that's true. According to TitanTV.com, WNEO is on 46 while WEAO is on 50. But AntennaWeb only lists WEAO ch 50. Who knows??

We're both right. WNEO/WEAO broadcasts on the following channels:

WNEO/45 (analog)
WNEO-DT/46-1, 2 (digital)
WEAO/49 (analog)
WEAO-DT/50-1, 2 (digital)

Both WEAO signals are simulcasts of the WNEO signals, analog and digital respectively. The DT signals are PBS HD (46-1 and 50-1) and a simulcast of the analog signal (46-2 and 50-2).

46 is mainly receivable in the Youngstown market...it doesn't really make it to even Akron, which of course is not necessary due to the presence of 50.

Inundated

08-14-05, 07:41 PM

And THAT's the truth. I like Bob. He's a very nice guy. But, that was the WORST I've ever heard anyone do. Brian Brennan and Reggie Rucker did much better, but in fairness, Golic had the heavier responsibility. I gotta go see what the PD has to say about it. This could be brutal. :eek:

I like Bob, too. He's a friendly guy and well-liked in the community. But that was awful. Part of the problem is that I don't think he's ever DONE play by play before, but has done commentary. Much of the time, it sounded like he was waiting for the PBP guy to talk...and he realized he was only waiting for himself.

Oh, and the game was not in HD on WOIO-DT, as expected. And the rest of the pre-season games probably will not be in HD as well. First Browns HD game locally will be week one vs. Cincinnati, unless CBS deems that not worthy...

ted_b

08-15-05, 12:26 AM

SteveC

08-15-05, 10:41 AM

If any of you guys are at home now, could you check to see if WOIO is showing the conclusion of the PGA Championship golf tournament in HD? I set my DVR to record it starting at 10 AM. I just wanted to make sure they knew to flip the switch so I won't be watching the SD feed tonight after I get home from work. If it is SD, let me know and I'll call them.
Thanks,
Steve

TV21CHIEF

08-15-05, 11:40 AM

hookbill

08-15-05, 11:49 AM

Shark73

08-15-05, 11:50 AM

Right now "The Price is Right" is on WOIO, Steve.

It wasn't scheduled at 10:00 am either. :confused: :confused:

The PGA Championship was over by 11am.

ted_b

08-15-05, 11:55 AM

SteveC

08-15-05, 01:08 PM

The morning HD broadcast (at least on WOW cable) took a couple of minutes to come on, and then had some difficulty until about 10:05am. After that it was fine (although only a few HD cameras remained, or so it seemed).

Ted

Great. Sounds like WOIO was on their toes and I will be watching it in HD this evening. Thanks for the reply.
Steve

Cleveland Plasma

08-15-05, 07:00 PM

Well the Browns game again was in SD. When will we ever see a home game in HD. I have never seen a home game in HD.

jtscherne

08-15-05, 07:24 PM

Well the Browns game again was in SD. When will we ever see a home game in HD. I have never seen a home game in HD.

NONE of the pre-season games will be on local HD and the NFL Network HD schedule shows no more out-of-town HD broadcasts that feature the Browns.

Looking at the regular season schedule, three games have the best chance of being in HD:

Sunday, November 13 at Pittsburgh is the ESPN Sunday Night Game - DEFINITELY IN HD, although an away game

Sunday, October 9 versus the Chicago Bears - At home on FOX, most likely an HD game

Sunday, October 23 versus the Detroit Lions - At home on FOX, most likely an HD game

Fox showed nearly all games last year in HD, although there were a couple of weeks where one game on a weekend might not have been in HD

Other than that, we won't know whether any regular season CBS games will be in HD until we get closer to the season.

hookbill

08-16-05, 07:29 AM

I'm not much on business but since Time Warner is suppose to be purchasing this area's Adelphia Cable maybe someone who has business savy can elaborate.

The link is here. (http://www.suntimes.com/output/business/cst-fin-icahn16.html)

Business
Icahn advocates Time Warner cable spin-off

August 16, 2005

BY SETH SUTEL

NEW YORK -- Financier Carl Icahn disclosed Monday that he and a group of investors will press Time Warner to shed its cable TV unit and embark on an aggressive buyback of $20 billion of its own shares.

Icahn, who is known for taking stakes in companies and agitating for strategic changes, said he and three other investors have amassed more than 120 million shares of Time Warner, or about 2.6 percent of the giant media conglomerate, which owns CNN, HBO, Warner Bros. and the country's second-largest cable TV provider.

Earlier this month, Time Warner said it planned to repurchase $3 billion of its own shares over the next two years in a bid to raise the company's sagging stock price, but Icahn and his partners believe Time Warner can afford much more dramatic steps to boost the shares.

Icahn said Monday that while he felt Time Warner has done a "commendable job" managing each of its businesses and announced steps to increase shareholder value, "it has not moved quickly enough and it has not proposed measures which would enhance values to the degree necessary to realize the inherent value" of its assets.

Separation of the cable unit as well as an immediate repurchase of $20 billion in Time Warner shares would push up the price to a level that reflected fair value, Icahn said. His investor group includes Franklin Mutual Advisors, JANA Partners and S.A.C. Capital Investors. The group's 120 million shares are worth about $2.2 billion.

Icahn said he had contacted Time Warner CEO Dick Parsons and planned to meet with him this week to discuss his views. He said he and his partners also planned to discuss their plans with other large shareholders in the company.

Mia Carbonell, a Time Warner spokeswoman, said: "Our board and our management are committed to creating long-term value for all shareholders, and we have been on a course that demonstrates that commitment."

Time Warner has already said it intends to spin off part of its cable company to shareholders as part of a three-way deal with Comcast Corp., the leading cable company, to acquire the assets of the bankrupt cable provider Adelphia Communications.

Time Warner's units would be worth a total of at least $27 a share if they were split up, according to valuations by analysts including Michael Kupinski at AG Edwards & Sons.

Time Warner's shares rose 26 cents, or 1.42 percent, to $18.50, Monday. The shares rose about 4 percent earlier this month after reports emerged of Icahn's interest, but the stock is still down about 5 percent overall this year, and has been stuck below $20 since April 2002.

Reception to Icahn's push has been mixed.

"They're heading in the direction that Icahn is advocating," said Henry Ellenbogen, a fund manager at T. Rowe Price Group Inc. Rowe held 62 million shares of New York-based Time Warner, or 1.3 percent of the stock, as of March. "The difference is the pace."

Ellenbogen is among at least four Time Warner investors who said they are happy with Parsons' leadership since he took the helm in May 2002.

Parsons has settled lawsuits related to the 2001 merger with America Online, approved the company's first stock buyback in four years and paid its first dividend since 2001.

With Time Warner, Icahn "faces a way different beast," said Tuna Amobi, a media analyst at Standard & Poor's in New York, who rates the shares "buy" and doesn't own them. At Time Warner, "most investors are solidly behind the management team," Amobi said.

Many investors have soured on the stocks of major media conglomerates recently as hopes of synergies between the far-flung media properties fade and on concerns about technological challenges like digital piracy and ad-skipping technology.

Viacom, another major media company that owns CBS and MTV, is trying to revive its own flagging share price with a plan to split itself into two separate entities, one based on CBS, the other centered on MTV and other cable channels including VH1 and Nickelodeon. But so far its shares haven't seen a big boost.

News Corp., the media conglomerate controlled by Rupert Murdoch, has also announced a $3 billion share buyback.

EricHarrison

08-16-05, 03:58 PM

rocatman

08-16-05, 04:56 PM

Anyone using this for OTA reception? I just got one yesterday, and I cannot pull in WKYC now. Do they (WKYC) have PSIP issues since this is a very picky HD receiver? I have had no problems with my Voom, and old Zenith HD receivers in the past picking up WKYC

I use a Dish 811 in Lagrange which is about 23 miles from the towers. I use an amplified indoor antenna in my garage attic. I have the VHF rabbit ears basically horizontal since WKYC is on channel 2, a low frequency, large wavelength channel. I use to have frequent reception problems but I have had very few the last couple of months.

EricHarrison

08-16-05, 05:22 PM

I use a Dish 811 in Lagrange which is about 23 miles from the towers. I use an amplified indoor antenna in my garage attic. I have the VHF rabbit ears basically horizontal since WKYC is on channel 2, a low frequency, large wavelength channel. I use to have frequent reception problems but I have had very few the last couple of months.

I am in Wellington, so I am not that far from you. I have a ratshack rooftop antenna, so I should be pulling this in. I dont understand the problem......
What is the last software update that you have?

kosar1985

08-16-05, 06:15 PM

I called D* the other day about getting Fox in HD in my area(pulling from NY), the said I needed a waiver for it, but a post earlier said that they didn't need one, also i have a phillips silver sensor indoor antenna and I cant pick up channel 3 with it. Do I need a better indoor antenna or just get a small outdoor. I can get the other stations at about 93% (channels 5.1 &8.1) channel 19.1 comes in at about 63-69%.

gnalmij

08-16-05, 10:40 PM

Kosar-
Directv's business model is to always have an idiot answer the first you time you call. It's a test to see if you really, really want what you want. The first time I called to get the NY Fox feed, I fought with the CSR for 15 minutes, read the Directv website to her, explained that Fox in Cleveland is O&O so I'm entitled to the Fox NY feed without a waiver, and all I got from her was disdain. Eventually she transferred me to the HD group, and a very nice gentleman turned on the NY Fox in about 30 seconds after checking my zip code. You must really want it in order to get it. Call back, and don't give up. The key is that Cleveland is Owned and Operated so a waiver is not needed, and ask for a transfer to someone that knows HD. The front-line CSRs work off a script that is wrong, but it's all they know.
Good luck-
Gnalmij

Tom in OH

08-17-05, 12:17 AM

Eventually she transferred me to the HD group, and a very nice gentleman turned on the NY Fox in about 30 seconds after checking my zip code.
Good luck-
Gnalmij

Hi Gnalmij,
just curious, does your DirecTv sub include Cleveland locals?

thx,
Tom

kosar1985

08-17-05, 08:57 AM

paule123

08-17-05, 12:33 PM

Hi Gnalmij,
just curious, does your DirecTv sub include Cleveland locals?

thx,
Tom

I'll jump in and say I've got DirecTV with the HD package and the Cleveland locals, and I was able to get the Fox East HD feed turned on without a waiver. It shows up as a line item on your D* bill, for no charge. So when the CSR says "it will appear on your next bill", do not be alarmed, there's no fee for it.

Note that after I got it turned on, it worked for a couple weeks, then went out for a while. I had to call back to get the box "hit" again. I assumed it's because this O&O not-really-a-waiver Fox East request is not that common an item and their system is a bit flaky as far as enabling the boxes.

-- Paul

paule123

08-17-05, 12:39 PM

NY's HD broadcast of the Browns/Giants (tape delayed and shown Sun night @ 11pm on NFL Network) was quite nice, with several HD cameras. The pq was very good, and the local NY crew was pretty good, albeit Giant biased, of course.

Ted

I just got back from a road trip and checked out a bit of the NFL Network / NBC NY game recorded on my WOW SA8000HD and it looked really good. There was one SD camera in the mix, but they didn't use it much. The broadcast was 1080i and had an HDNet quality about it, but that may have been because it didn't have all the extra graphics, music and additional "production" that goes into a regular season game from the main networks. It wasn't DD5.1 but there were some surround effects going on as I could hear people in the stands in the rear channels.

kosar1985

08-17-05, 12:59 PM

kosar1985

08-17-05, 01:00 PM

this is getting to be b.s. with these people

Tom in OH

08-17-05, 03:28 PM

I'll jump in and say I've got DirecTV with the HD package and the Cleveland locals, and I was able to get the Fox East HD feed turned on without a waiver. It shows up as a line item on your D* bill, for no charge. So when the CSR says "it will appear on your next bill", do not be alarmed, there's no fee for it.

Note that after I got it turned on, it worked for a couple weeks, then went out for a while. I had to call back to get the box "hit" again. I assumed it's because this O&O not-really-a-waiver Fox East request is not that common an item and their system is a bit flaky as far as enabling the boxes.

-- Paul

Thx Paul,
I wondered if DirecTv is requiring the Cleveland local sub before they'd turn on Fox HD NY(88). Supposedly a revision in Shvera is requiring a sub to SD locals before they'll turn on any DNS HD channel.

Tom

hookbill

08-17-05, 04:11 PM

they keep on saying that if you had it longer then 6 months ago you didnt need a waiver, but as of now i need a waiver

So get a waiver then. It's no big deal. I got one when I was with D* down in Cincinnati and I knew for a fact that I could get local reception. They should put the request in for you and you call them back in a certain amount of time and that is it.

DaMavs

08-17-05, 05:38 PM

I just called DirecTV about a couple other things (HD Tivo offer & NFL ST Superfan) and also asked about getting Fox activated. Apparently due to the law change in March, they now require a waiver even if it is an O&O station. So they submitted waivers for all 4 for me & I just need to wait on a letter saying approved (or not) for it to activate. I only expect Fox to say yes obviously, but they wanted to ask all 4, so why not?

Bottom line is I think prior to March, you could have called and activated it with a phone call (as many here did), but now you have to go through the waiver procedure (which is no work for you). Shame I was so good at procrastinating that I put off the phone call for so long...

gnalmij

08-17-05, 05:40 PM

I have the HD package and local channels, but I do not believe that either is required in order to get Fox on D* Channel 88. Only a TOTAL CHOICE package is required, according to D*'s own website (see below). The website mentions a waiver from a "non-local Fox affiliate", which I think means a non-O&O affiliate that is not local but is close enough (say Toledo, for example) to have a say on whether you receive the NY feed. There is no conflict that I know of for Cleveland.

The CSRs will always say you need a waiver because they only know about DNS, not about receiving the HD feed when you are in an O&O market.

Kosar - try calling the HD Eligibility Group of D* at 1-800-263-0028.

From the D* website:

There are three ways to receive FOX HDTV programming:

1. FOX HDTV programming may be available in select markets to some DIRECTV customers who have HD equipment and a TOTAL CHOICE® programming package or the DIRECTV HD Package. The FOX HDTV programming currently available for eligible customers is from either WNYW (New York) or KTTV (Los Angeles), depending upon your geographic location. The select markets where eligible customers may receive the feeds are: New York, NY, Los Angeles, CA, Chicago, IL, Philadelphia, PA, Boston, MA, Dallas, TX, Washington D.C., Minneapolis, MN, Detroit, MI, Atlanta, GA, Houston, TX, Tampa Bay, FL, Orlando, FL, Cleveland, OH, Phoenix, AZ, Denver, CO, St. Louis, MO, Milwaukee, WI, Kansas City, MO, Salt Lake City, UT, Birmingham, AL, Memphis, TN, Greensboro, NC, and Austin, TX. If you cannot see a picture on channel 88 or 89, and you live in one of these markets, you may need to obtain a waiver from one or more non-local FOX affiliates. This can take up to 45 days to process.

Please note, that in the near future, DIRECTV will be launching new state-of-the-art satellites to deliver HD local channel feeds from additional markets. When local HD channels launch in your market, you may no longer be able to see the New York and Los Angeles programming feeds, and a new dish and HD receiver will be required to see your local market HD channels.

2. Customers eligible for Distant Network Services who have HD equipment may receive FOX HDTV as part of their DNS subscription.
Find out if you qualify.

3. You may also access FOX HDTV via off-air antenna in many markets where DIRECTV doesn't offer access via satellite.

WHAT EQUIPMENT DO I NEED?

To start enjoying the benefits of high-definition programming from
DIRECTV, you'll need the following equipment:

1. HD-Capable TV Set
2. DIRECTV HD Receiver
3. Triple LNB Multi-Satellite Dish
4. Off-Air Antenna (Optional)

WHAT CHANNEL IS FOX HDTV PROGRAMMING ON?

Customers in the Central and Eastern Time zones receive FOX HDTV programming on channel 88 (WNYW, New York).

DaMavs

08-17-05, 05:58 PM

The CSRs will always say you need a waiver because they only know about DNS, not about receiving the HD feed when you are in an O&O market.

Kosar - try calling the HD Eligibility Group of D* at 1-800-263-0028.

FWIW I was transferred to the HD group from "retention" to discuss adding Fox and the answer I got was the same - that waivers are required now. When I quizzed her as to why now & not in the past she claimed the March law change.

Could be bad info, but unless someone has gotten Fox 88 added since March w/o a waiver, I remain unconvinced. Anyone add the Fox East coast feed recently?

gnalmij

08-17-05, 06:00 PM

Looking at an FCC fact sheet on the Satellite Home Viewer Extension and
Reauthorization Act of 2004 (SHVERA), it does discuss that you will have to subscribe to locals in order to get distant feeds. There's also some BS allowance for distant channels that are "significantly viewed" in your area (on cable?) that the satellite company may provide if you subscribe to locals. TBS Superstation maybe? This is all analog, however. With regard to digital, the fact sheet says this:

Distant Digital Signals
In general, if a satellite carrier offers
local-into-local digital signals in your area, it is
not allowed to offer you distant digital signals,
unless you were receiving distant digital
signals as of December 8, 2004. At this time,
no satellite carriers are offering local-into-local
digital signals.
Subscribers who are “unserved” with respect
to analog service are eligible for distant digital
signals. Satellite carriers are not required to
offer distant digital signals.

I read this to mean that once D* offers local-to-local HD, which is the future plan via MPEG4, it will not be able to offer the NY feeds unless you received it as of 12-8-04. But D* isn't offering local-to-local HD yet.

EricG

08-17-05, 06:20 PM

I too can get nowwhere with the HD qualification specialists. It looks as though we all need waivers. So they sent all 4 in for me as well. Now I'm just waiting.

Tom in OH

08-18-05, 04:01 PM

I too can get nowwhere with the HD qualification specialists. It looks as though we all need waivers. So they sent all 4 in for me as well. Now I'm just waiting.

Hi Eric,
Did they specify the waivers they put in were for HD DNS (opposed to SD DNS)?

Tom

Michael P 2341

08-18-05, 04:59 PM

For those of you that watch us:

Our studio took a pretty good power hit this morning that blew up our upconverter. I'm supposed to have a loaner here tomorrow, but until then we will be SD 480i only both OTA and cable.
Thanks for the heads-up Robert.

Just in case you are interested: I live in Parma, I can see most of the Cleveland towers out my back window (due north) and get WFMJ some Summer evenings after 10 PM with a Silver Sensor. I did catch The Tonight Show in SD and was wondering what was going on. Now that it's getting cooler outside I'm going to try to put up an outdoor antenna aimed at Youngstown. Your "WBCB" is the only digital WB in northern Ohio at this time.

Do you know what's up with WKBN? When will they put up their DT signal? I've seen some blips on my signal meter for ch 41, however that could be Detroit's WXYZ and not WKBN.

paule123

08-18-05, 08:52 PM

I checked my DirecTV bill history, and this is the line item on my bill:

08/16/05 09/15/05 HD Package Monthly 10.99
08/16/05 09/15/05 TOTAL CHOICE Monthly 41.99
08/16/05 09/15/05 Network: FOX HD Available w/Local or HD Pkg 0.00

Note it says "with Local *or* HD package", so I guess you need one of those to get FOX HD.

My FOX HD was activated before the March law change, so I'm lucky I guess.

-- Paul

Felony44

08-19-05, 12:21 AM

intermod

08-19-05, 07:23 AM

Do you know what's up with WKBN? When will they put up their DT signal? I've seen some blips on my signal meter for ch 41, however that could be Detroit's WXYZ and not WKBN.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like your near me. WXYZ has 2 sub-channels. One with Det. radar and another with
a towercam.. Maybe that info will help you ID the station. BTW. I have never locked on ANY eastern
digital stations, erie, Y-town or pitts. Some of the analogs come in fine. I have a long UHF Yagi
w/ rotator and am thinking about putting my old channelmaster 3018 VHF/UHF combo back up
but mounted below the rotator and pointed at 3/19 towers. Just need to figure out a vhf/Uhf
combiner.

Good luck

TV21CHIEF

08-19-05, 08:42 AM

Thanks for the heads-up Robert.

Do you know what's up with WKBN? When will they put up their DT signal? I've seen some blips on my signal meter for ch 41, however that could be Detroit's WXYZ and not WKBN.

WKBN is not on the air yet. They've had a lot of problems with getting a construction permit and getting the people that own their towers to make modifications so they can mount equipment.

It looks like I won't have a replacement upconverter until beginning of next week now. The good news is it's the latest and greatest so it should improve our SD upconverted PQ.

SteveC

08-19-05, 10:17 AM

Thanks for the updates Robert. We appreciate your participation in this forum very much.
Steve

SteveC

08-19-05, 10:29 AM

Hey guys im new to hd and need anntenna help i too am waitn on DTV to send me confirmation to get local hds but in mean time im tryn to get over air to work i have a rca 3810 "the problem hd tv" but its been restored and works great. i live in Eastlake what size antenna do i need if i go with a roof mount? whats a good brand and what if any extras do i need and when i get it to work how do i get the hd channels to come in is fox like 8.1 and nbc 3.1 ?

thanks

Go to this site: http://antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx to help determine the size of antenna you need. The only "extras" you might need besides the coax cable and connectors are an amp and rotor. Your local Radio Shack should be able to help you out or you could try these other websites for equipment:
http://starkelectronic.com/
http://www.solidsignal.com/
Steve

paule123

08-19-05, 11:27 AM

FYI, CBS has posted the HD schedule for the first four weeks of the regular NFL season.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl

So far Week #2, Cleveland @ Green Bay is the only HD Browns game (as far as CBS is concerned)

And to repeat as others have said there is a near 100% chance we'll get any Browns games on Fox in HD (there's two of them), and 100% chance we get the one ESPN Sunday night game in HD.

handsworth

08-19-05, 07:52 PM

Hello All,

No new info since I last posted way back but I found this sports TV guide which was very informative and up to date for all sports in HD. http://www.hdsportsguide.com

Also I heard from a source that Cleveland area ABC (WEWS HD ch 705) was going black for a few days for equipment replacement and or upgrades. I think they said 8/23 thru 8/26. Adelphia has already alerted their CSR team.

kosar1985

08-20-05, 12:15 PM

what is going on with the browns pre-game

paule123

08-20-05, 01:17 PM

I know this is not an HD game, but the PQ on this Browns/Lions game on WOIO is really really bad. Maybe I am spoiled by HD football, but this seems really awful to me. NFL Network is simulcasting the Detroit UPN feed and the PQ is not much better there.

stuart628

08-20-05, 01:44 PM

yeah, this broadcast is horrible, it is full of sound breakups and everything on my end (could just be my 811) but I am at 70% and the feed is NASTY, picture quality is bad as well. I am telling you what this is going to tick me off if this is what football season is going ot be like, CBS is def a problem station. Are they broadcasting at full power? its just weird, I love my OTA, I get everything at 80% including nbc now that I have a good antenna, cbs comes in at 70% and is full of breakups and the sound coming in and out, I am just hoping its this broadcast. Usually csi is good for me so I am leaning towards it being something in the air today, but I hope this dosent go on all season.

kosar1985

08-20-05, 04:24 PM

hookbill

08-20-05, 06:18 PM

yeah the PQ was real aweful for this game, but CBS didn't run the game WOIO did. Does anyone know a number to call and complain about WOIO PQ

Heh Heh....try 1-800-4getaboutit. :)

Seriously you can get a number from WOIO's website, but I doubt it will do any good at all to complain. The company that owns them is Raycom and from what I've seen from others who have tried to contact them to complain about something there is no response.

Inundated thinks very highly of this channel. I'm sure he can give you some advice if he see's this post. :D :D :D

jtscherne

08-21-05, 08:01 AM

The question I have is: how was the broadcast for people watching it over cable? Were there breakups on the cable HD channel broadcast? (I know it wasn't high definition) I know Channel 19 is claiming that weather was a problem (there were some major storms going on between Detroit and Cleveland).

I think Channel 19 is having major growing pains with broadcasting live sports. The Golic replacement is the most obvious example.

I know I still have problems picking up the HD station OTA (Friday night I watched the CBS HD game from Toledo because it came in stronger!)

paule123

08-21-05, 10:47 AM

I watched the game on WOW cable and didn't have any breakups, but I must admit I switched to the analog channel about 10 minutes into the game because the picture quality was more acceptable to me than the digital broadcast. (it wasn't really better, I think it's because my brain can process a crappy picture on a known crappy analog channel better than it can process a crappy picture on a digital channel)

kosar1985

08-21-05, 11:06 PM

rlockshin

08-22-05, 06:42 AM

yeah, the pq on the digital channel was really horriable. Also, with the superfan package does that increase my odds to see the Browns in HD
No it does not. You will see the whatever ch19 gives you for the browns. Nothing more as far as the browns are concerned

Tom in OH

08-23-05, 10:43 AM

yeah, the pq on the digital channel was really horriable. Also, with the superfan package does that increase my odds to see the Browns in HD

...what prevents me from ordering NFL ST or Superfan is that all local games are blacked out.

Gary16

08-23-05, 02:20 PM

In case you missed this announcement elsewhere, please note the following from ABC regarding HD telecasts this week (this applies nationwide):

Attention HDTV Affiliates - No HDTV Feed 8/23/05 to 8/26/05

ABC will be upgrading its HDTV release facility including a replacement of the HD router. In order to accomplish this work in a timely manner, a four (4) day shutdown of the HD release facility will be required.

Accordingly, beginning Tuesday 8/23/2005 and continuing through Friday 8/26/2005, ABC will not offer an HDTV feed for either ECM or PT feeds. In addition, an upconverted SD feed will not be transmitted either. No HDTV transmission will take place in prime time, because doing so requires the use of the HDTV router and the release facility. During this time, stations are urged to upconvert the normal network SD feed, as many do now for non-primetime network and for local programming.

Inundated

08-23-05, 03:17 PM

Michael P 2341

08-24-05, 05:03 PM

Sounds like your near me. WXYZ has 2 sub-channels. One with Det. radar and another with
a towercam.. Maybe that info will help you ID the station. BTW. I have never locked on ANY eastern
digital stations, erie, Y-town or pitts. Some of the analogs come in fine. I have a long UHF Yagi
w/ rotator and am thinking about putting my old channelmaster 3018 VHF/UHF combo back up
but mounted below the rotator and pointed at 3/19 towers. Just need to figure out a vhf/Uhf
combiner.

Good luck

Howdy neighbor!

I'm up near Hoertz & Sprague, the "Ridgewood antenna-mile" is virtually due north of me. I get the Youngstown DT's when the skip is up (usually during the 11 PM news) using a Silver Sensor indoor antenna. I just moved here from Seven Hills, where I logged WPXI-DT (Pittsburgh NBC w/"Weather Plus") in addition to the Youngstown NBC & ABC DT's. I never got a lock on WXYZ. I'm hoping to do better once I can get on the roof with an outdoor antenna.

Sounds like you need a higher antenna if you want to lock onto anything to the east or southeast. I'm over 1100' above sea level here (I was 1060' at Seven Hills). The high point is in Broadview Hts. (a little over 1200') so that blocks the signal to just about everyone else in Cuyahoga County (It's why ch 23 was so hard to tune in, they used to be an ABC and had to "protect" WEWS's exclusivity to ABC in Cleveland).

Michael P 2341

08-24-05, 05:09 PM

So when will WBNX & WVPX begin digital broadcasting? At the rate they are going the transition will be over before they even begin to be in DT.

Also what will happen to the LPTV & Class A stations after the transition? I know most of them are not worth worrying over, however I do watch "The Cat" from time to time. That is the only LP station here that is doing what the FCC wanted for the LP service (as opposed to rebroadcsting a national satellite shopping or religious feed 24/7).

kosar1985

08-24-05, 08:33 PM

kosar1985

08-24-05, 08:35 PM

I forgot to mention that i can't pick up channel 3.1 3.2 or 3.3 at all. Also, I got a waiver from fox to get the NY feed, but not anything else yet.

Tom in OH

08-25-05, 12:58 AM

I forgot to mention that i can't pick up channel 3.1 3.2 or 3.3 at all. Also, I got a waiver from fox to get the NY feed, but not anything else yet.

That's Great!....glad to hear u got it. Did they require Cleveland locals before they'd turn on 88?

Congrats!
Tom

kosar1985

08-25-05, 09:02 AM

[QUOTE=Tom in OH]That's Great!....glad to hear u got it. Did they require Cleveland locals before they'd turn on 88?

They said that since I have my locals, thhat I wouldnt probaly be gettin the NY feed. Everyone in the forum has said that WJW is O&O by fox and that is why people are most likely to get the Fox feed from NY

hookbill

08-25-05, 12:30 PM

flatiron

08-25-05, 12:41 PM

So when will WBNX & WVPX begin digital broadcasting? At the rate they are going the transition will be over before they even begin to be in DT.

Both are being held up by Canada, due to interference to Canadian allocations on WBNX's and WVPX's DT channel assignents, and the FCC has not granted DT construction permits.

WVPX supposedly has Canadian coordination/interference issues on both its DT allocation(59) and its analog (and post-transition digital) allocation (23).

In the third round of channel elections (which I believe is scheduled for next year), stations whose DT's are being held up due to international coordination issues will be able to request another post-transition digital channel

So it's possible that neither of them will be broadcasting digitally until analog shutdown happens.

Also what will happen to the LPTV & Class A stations after the transition? I know most of them are not worth worrying over, however I do watch "The Cat" from time to time. That is the only LP station here that is doing what the FCC wanted for the LP service (as opposed to rebroadcsting a national satellite shopping or religious feed 24/7).

I am curious about the LPTV's as well. I assume that they will "flash convert" near the end of the digital transition.

Michael P 2341

08-25-05, 01:12 PM

does anyone know where the towers are located, is there a website I can go to see where they are. Also looking for a outdoor antenna, I have the silver sensor indoor. I can get: 5.1 , 8.1 (at about 93%) channel 19.1 is about 63-69%. I'm thinking all i need is a small or medium size antenna. I've already been the the antenna.org website, but i wanted to know what antennas people who live in Medina are using. I live on 57 south about 2 minutes from the square.

If you know your exact latitude & longitude coordinates (and compass offset) I have another site that will give you more accurate compass headings down to the degree:

http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp

As far as what antennas people are using in Medina, I would have to guess that a moderate sized VHF/UHF combo would work. If you were interested in the Akron/Canton stations you would need a rotor, otherwise I'd just aim it in the general direction of Parma (or at the compass coordinate of the weakest station WKYC).

If you wanted to know the location of all the Cleveland transmitters I can tell you since I'm virtually surrounded by them, the tower lights illuminate my back yard :).

WJW is at the corner of State Rd. & Pleasant Valley Rd. WEWS is north of WJW on State, WUAB is next door to WEWS. The following are all on Ridgewood between State & Broadview (in order fron west to east) WQHS, WBNX (and all the LPTV's on the WBNX tower), WOIO. WKYC is on Broadview just south of WOIO.

WVIZ's analog tower is in North Royalton west of Ridge near Wallings Rd. Their temporary digital transmitter is located at their studios on Brookpark Rd. just west of state (on a 99' tower with 1kw of power). I could not get a lock on WVIZ's digital signal in Seven Hills, but I do now since I moved 2 miles west (and 100' higher) in Parma.

BTW: WKYC no longer has a subchannel on 3.3 since "Weather Plus" began on 3.2

Just for fun, check out this site: http://www.fybush.com/sites/2004/site-040212.html

Inundated

08-25-05, 02:51 PM

Complicating things even more for WVPX going digital - the precarious financial position of their parent company, PAX (now broadcasting as "i"). It's quite possible that by the time they clear up all the Canadian-related problems, Paxson Communications won't even own the station. Since they don't do HD (or for that matter, the local news programming anymore), I'm not losing sleep over it.

The LPTVs and Class A's, like WAOH-LP/W35AX, will likely flash cut over. There are a handful of digital only LPs, mostly translators, many of them in the Norfolk, VA area. Judging by my knowledge of 29/35's ownership, they'll probably convert at the last possible moment, and certainly will not feature HD programming of any sort. Anyone who's been to their studios (with co-owned WNIR/100.1) on Rt. 59 would confirm this.

I'm still wondering if WVIZ is on target to go full power out of North Royalton soon, or as someone suggested on this thread (but did not elaborate or provide actual evidence about) they have more problems.

jtscherne

08-25-05, 04:19 PM

ESPN has scheduled the Indians/Twins Sunday game on September 11th as their Sunday night game. Unfortunately, this is the first weekend that the game moves from ESPN to ESPN2 because of football. While ESPN has national rights for Sunday, this game might not be in HD (the same situation happened last year and the game was in SD).

Just a heads-up!

kosar1985

08-25-05, 05:07 PM

i don't like the Indians but I was reading on a website http://www.hdsportsguide.com/, that espn2 will be in HD starting September 9th

Inundated

08-25-05, 06:07 PM

ESPN2 has BEEN in HD for months now. And those of us who have Adelphia in the Cleveland area have had it for most of that time...the September 9th date is the day that DirecTV is supposed to add ESPN2HD.

This page on that HDTV Sports Guide site confirms that the ESPN2 game will be in HD. As of the listing for September 11th, the teams are listed as "TBD" (to be determined).

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/mlb.php

jtscherne

08-26-05, 04:55 AM

ESPN's website now lists the game as definitely being in HD on ESPN2. The good thing is that the Sunday night game is never blacked out, so anyone with access to ESPN2HD will be able to see the game.

Inundated

08-26-05, 09:42 PM

Phoenix2088

08-26-05, 10:12 PM

Inundated

08-26-05, 10:22 PM

Check the game again...it's happening again. OTA, as well.

paule123

08-26-05, 11:09 PM

Yeah, they've got something weird going on the digital side. Freeze frame / stutter frame sort of effect. I switched to analog to avoid a headache, the digital feed is unwatchable. They've got the contrast turned all the way up, typical of their garish newscasts. The PQ (analog) is particularly bad tonight, worse than last week.

It's just amazing that they let this sh*t go out over the air without any quality control.

We should start a 50" plasma fund for these networks so they can see the crap they are spewing forth. We should start with Rupert Murdoch.

kosar1985

08-26-05, 11:57 PM

the pq is really bad for WOIO. Does anyone know a number to complain about it.

Inundated

08-27-05, 01:32 AM

the pq is really bad for WOIO. Does anyone know a number to complain about it.

Oh, you could call them, but they won't listen. :D Last I remembered, the number (down here) is 877-929-1943 or something of the ilk.

The only way we'll get better PQ out of WOIO is if Raycom sells the place to a real broadcast company.

Cleveland Plasma

08-27-05, 11:43 AM

Anyone watching the Browns game on WOIO-DT tonight? (Obviously not HD, of course...)

Why Is this? They can not afford HD cameras? I take it non of the home games will be in HD? I do not know if you noticed, just like always the Steelers game was in HD last night. (Note I run with Adelphia also.)

Phoenix2088

08-27-05, 12:35 PM

Here is a list of all the e-mail addresses I found at WOIO/WUAB's website. Please e-mail them about the issue, someone is bound to read it.

jsmith@raycommedia.com, sdoerr@raycommedia.com, communityaffairs@raycommedia.com, lnicholls@raycommedia.com, rboenau@raycommedia.com, tachladis@raycommedia.com, lmcmanus@raycommedia.com, 19tips@woio.com, 43tips@wuab.com

paule123

08-27-05, 03:13 PM

Why Is this? They can not afford HD cameras? I take it non of the home games will be in HD? I do not know if you noticed, just like always the Steelers game was in HD last night. (Note I run with Adelphia also.)

Well this dead horse is almost beat, but if you look further back in the thread you'll find that:

- None of the preseason Browns games are in HD. Preseason games are WOIO's responsibility, and no, they are not going to invest in millions of dollars of HD equipment for four meaningless preseason games. Technically speaking, the Browns/Giants game was HD on NBC4 NY to the New York viewers, because NBC4 NY spent the bucks to do it. It was also viewable on NFL Network HD on cable.

- For the regular season, CBS is limited to 3 HD games per Sunday, supposedly because they are limited by their satellite capability and number of HD production trucks. So the 3 HD games per week on CBS will go to the teams with the largest markets and best matchups. You can bet Browns/Bengals will not be one of them.

- CBS announces on their website about 3-4 weeks ahead of time which 3 games will be in HD for the next 3-4 weeks. They have already announced what's going to be in HD in weeks 1 through 4.

Inundated

08-27-05, 08:21 PM

- None of the preseason Browns games are in HD. Preseason games are WOIO's responsibility, and no, they are not going to invest in millions of dollars of HD equipment for four meaningless preseason games.

While I actually can't fault WOIO for that, it's still frustrating that we have NO local sports events in HD in the Cleveland market. Period.

Other markets even have HD versions of their RSN, but not Fox Sports Net Ohio. I realize this is still growing, but it doesn't seem to be happening here.

If WOIO was able to get the equipment needed to do the Browns games in HD (by leasing the HD production truck, etc.), they could also do the same for the Cavs games on co-owned WUAB/43. But it doesn't appear to be happening. I'd like to see it start, but it isn't likely in the next year, at least.

hookbill

08-27-05, 08:56 PM

Although Cleveland is not as small of a market as let's say Cincinnati, it's still not a big time city. There are only a few of those. Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago.

And to think, L.A. DOESN'T have a football team.

But I'll bet they get every football game in HD, because it's a huge market and it's CBS station is company owned.

Cleveland Plasma

08-27-05, 09:53 PM

hookbill

08-27-05, 09:59 PM

Well Pittsburg is not a huge city but almost every game I have seen including the preseason game yesterday was in HD. I figured they would have this fixed this year. Looks like Cleveland is not important enough I take it? Will there be any home games in HD? Watching a game in SD is a waste of time after seeing a game in HD!!

CBS as reported earlier has made the decision to only show 3 HD games a week. So far only one of the Browns games are scheduled. Since CBS shows most of the Browns games, you can only hope they will show more.

Inundated

08-28-05, 08:15 PM

I'm with Chris on this one. Not all markets that have HD local sports are the huge ones. The Steelers' preseason games have been in HD for a couple of years now. Cox Cable in San Diego has an HD channel for the Padres, and SD is (I believe) a smaller market than Cleveland/Akron.

The market size thing explains SOME of it...but part of it is because Raycom owns WOIO/WUAB, and those two stations have the over-air sports rights for the Cavs and Browns. And as for FSN Ohio, they don't even program any local shows aside from Cavs and Indians games and pre/post-games.

Phoenix2088

08-29-05, 02:18 PM

Unless you live down the street from WVIZ or have Adelphia, PBS HD will not be coming until early 2006. As someone mentioned earlier about the rumor that the tower issues are not over is correct.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately we were not able to work out our tower issues as quickly
as we had hoped. It now appears that we will not be up to full power
this year. Our current assumption is that we will be operating our full
power DTV transmitter early in 2006.

Gary

Gary Bluhm
Director of Engineering
WVIZ/PBS, 90.3 WCPN
ideastream Cleveland

jtscherne

08-29-05, 05:20 PM

While I actually can't fault WOIO for that, it's still frustrating that we have NO local sports events in HD in the Cleveland market. Period.

Other markets even have HD versions of their RSN, but not Fox Sports Net Ohio. I realize this is still growing, but it doesn't seem to be happening here.

I would suggest that people start pushing FSN Ohio to consider HD broadcasting, but right now the Indians contract with them is up at the end of the season and I haven't read anything recently about the status of negotiations.

Michael P 2341

08-29-05, 05:29 PM

Anyone watching the Browns game on WOIO-DT tonight? (Obviously not HD, of course...) I'm watching it on Adelphia 704.

Am I the only one noticing that the feed on the digital channel appears to be running at a weird frame rate? It looks like the game is being shown on film, vs. live! The same effect is not seen on the analog version of WOIO (digitally fed on Adelphia 4).

I haven't checked the OTA feed of WOIO-DT to see if it has the same problem. The "19 Action News" halftime cut-in did not have this problem on WOIO-DT...odd.

EDIT: Odd, it's not looking the same way in the second half. Maybe they tweaked something?
I noticed it too. It looked like streaming video off the internet. I was watching OTA using an Echostar 921. I switched to the analog 19 and there was no "jitter".

WOIO has the worst over-the-air digital picture of all the Cleveland digital stations. On the 921 the chroma pulses (I'm watching via the S-video/SD output). From what I understand this issue is limited to the SD output only. Delaying the program by 3 seconds fixes the chroma pulsing problem, still why is it only with WOIO? It's not an issue of signal strength, as I am closer to WJW (.8 of a mile) and do not have an issue with that siganl, nor any other signal including Raycom's other station (they could give a little more bandwidth to "The Tube" however).

I believe the jitter problem is limited to locally originated programs only. I do not see the jitter on CBS programming, however I did see the jitter on 19 Action News. I used to think they were doing the jitter on puropse, as I have seen it used as an (annoying) effect on other programs (usually youth-oriented, someone must think the jitter is hip).

Inundated

08-29-05, 06:29 PM

Thanks, Phoenix, for the update from Mr. Bluhm. I wonder what issues he's talking about? When I E-Mailed him late last year, I was under the impression that the legal issues with Infinity were settled. Maybe there are some other technical issues.

Oh, well, as I mentioned, I get WVIZ's version of PBS HD on Adelphia, and WEAO's OTA, so I'm not terribly concerned. I'm just curious.

I would suggest that people start pushing FSN Ohio to consider HD broadcasting, but right now the Indians contract with them is up at the end of the season and I haven't read anything recently about the status of negotiations.

Unfortunately, FSN having an exclusive on TV games is part of the problem here, though it wouldn't get any better if 19/43 had any over air games, and none of the market's other operators are doing local HD...aside from WJW's newscasts.

I believe the jitter problem is limited to locally originated programs only. I do not see the jitter on CBS programming, however I did see the jitter on 19 Action News. I used to think they were doing the jitter on puropse, as I have seen it used as an (annoying) effect on other programs (usually youth-oriented, someone must think the jitter is hip).

But the jitter comes and goes, and doesn't have any rhyme or reason behind it. Other than that, I wouldn't put it past them. ;)

You're correct...it's only on the local upconvert by WOIO. Anything CBS sends, even in SD digital, is fine. WOIO is basically a waste of TV airspace, and I wouldn't watch it if it were not a network affiliate, and the home of the Browns.

frank10

08-31-05, 12:20 PM

will the bucks' game against miami be in HD on wews?

SteveC

08-31-05, 01:29 PM

Gary16

08-31-05, 02:07 PM

will the bucks' game against miami be in HD on wews?

Based on current information from ABC, only prime time college games will be in HD.

joepic

08-31-05, 02:26 PM

Looks like Time Warner Cable has added the Universal HD channel to their HD lineup. I was watching the U.S. Open tennis tournament last night in beautiful HD. Perfect timing. Thanks TWC. Hopefully it will be stay around after the tournament is over. I never did see an official announcement for this.
Steve

What TWC location are you? I am in Canton, OH.

I am not familiar with the "Universal HD channel".

We have INHD & INHD2. Is this what you are talking about?

frank10

08-31-05, 03:25 PM

Based on current information from ABC, only prime time college games will be in HD.

not good. i also checked titantv and the game is not HD. even the game against texas is listed as non HD

SteveC

08-31-05, 05:18 PM

What TWC location are you? I am in Canton, OH.

I am not familiar with the "Universal HD channel".

We have INHD & INHD2. Is this what you are talking about?

I'm in Springfield Township which is just southeast of Akron. Universal HD used to be called Bravo HD but was renamed a year or so ago. I believe it is owned by NBC and is currently one of the HD channels carried by DirecTV. Here is a link to their website where you can check their schedule: http://www.universalhd.com/
Steve

ZManCartFan

08-31-05, 07:13 PM

even the game against texas is listed as non HD

I would be surprised if that one's not an HD game. It's scheduled for 8 pm, and it's one of the most anticipated college football games of the year. In fact, SI online just rated it as THE college game not to miss this year. If that's not motivation for ABC to drive the trucks to Columbus, I don't know what is.

As far as the other Buckeyes' games go, most of them are produced regionally by ESPN+. It seems like they barely have the resources to pay an announcing team. I wouldn't expect them to be able to do HD too. :rolleyes:

joepic

09-01-05, 08:56 AM

I'm in Springfield Township which is just southeast of Akron. Universal HD used to be called Bravo HD but was renamed a year or so ago. I believe it is owned by NBC and is currently one of the HD channels carried by DirecTV. Here is a link to their website where you can check their schedule: http://www.universalhd.com/
Steve

Thanks Steve.

I see you are on DirecTV while I am on Time Warner Cable :)

That's why I did not understand your channel selection.

Inundated

09-01-05, 10:25 AM

Thanks Steve.

I see you are on DirecTV while I am on Time Warner Cable :)

No, look here:

Looks like Time Warner Cable has added the Universal HD channel to their HD lineup.

It's not "universal" as in the descriptive word, it's "Universal" as in the corporation which owns it (NBC Universal).

kosar1985

09-01-05, 10:49 AM

does anyone have anything good to say about the vu-75xr antenna. It would help if you are from Medina

SteveC

09-01-05, 11:24 AM

Thanks Steve.

I see you are on DirecTV while I am on Time Warner Cable :)

That's why I did not understand your channel selection.

Just to confirm, I'm on Time Warner Cable. I only used DirecTV as an example of someone that I knew that currently carried the channel. In my guide it shows up as UHD. The channel number on my system is 560. I went to the TWC website at: http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/ and looked at the channel lineup for Akron. The UHD channel is not listed. So hopefully it is just a matter of them not yet getting around to updating their website.
Steve

joepic

09-01-05, 02:46 PM

Just to confirm, I'm on Time Warner Cable. I only used DirecTV as an example of someone that I knew that currently carried the channel. In my guide it shows up as UHD. The channel number on my system is 560. I went to the TWC website at: http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/ and looked at the channel lineup for Akron. The UHD channel is not listed. So hopefully it is just a matter of them not yet getting around to updating their website.
Steve

Thanks Steve,

I will check channel 560 tonight. I am on TWC from Canton. Our numbers are a little different from Akron.

intermod

09-01-05, 05:00 PM

does anyone have anything good to say about the vu-75xr antenna. It would help if you are from Medina

"Well it looks like it is a little better than Rabbit ears if that helps :) "

At just over 5db gain on VHF 50 ft of old RG-6 and a couple of rusty
connectors you probably get very little gain out of the sytem. We can only
hope that its not in your attic!

look here:www.hdtvprimer.com see antenna comparisons

good luck

stuart628

09-01-05, 05:01 PM

Twc northeast ohio does have UNiversal HD but from everything I have been told, its just till the open is done, there is no long term contract in place, so This channel will leave us after the us open, that is why TWCNEO.com does not have it listed, but it has been up and running I think for 3-4 days

Michael P 2341

09-01-05, 08:14 PM

Just in case anybody cares, "The Late Show with David Letterman" is now in HD. I caught it in HD for the first time last night (Wednesday Aug. 31).

thorton22

09-02-05, 09:22 AM

Is there any indication when WKBN will start broadcasting in HD? The football season is starting next weekend!

TV21CHIEF

09-02-05, 10:51 AM

Is there any indication when WKBN will start broadcasting in HD? The football season is starting next weekend!

They have no antenna on the tower yet. Since they don't own the tower, it's out of their control. I don't want to speak for another station in town, but I don't think they'll have anything up by the start of football. I think they have a crew coming in this month, but you should really check with them for the full details.

jtscherne

09-02-05, 07:18 PM

Based on information, supposedly the only HD ABC college football games are the BCS bowl games in January.

At this point, the only definite OTA HD college football games are:

CBS SEC game of the week
NBC Notre Dame home games (announced earlier this summer).

That's it, that's the list!

I would be surprised if that one's not an HD game. It's scheduled for 8 pm, and it's one of the most anticipated college football games of the year. In fact, SI online just rated it as THE college game not to miss this year. If that's not motivation for ABC to drive the trucks to Columbus, I don't know what is.

As far as the other Buckeyes' games go, most of them are produced regionally by ESPN+. It seems like they barely have the resources to pay an announcing team. I wouldn't expect them to be able to do HD too. :rolleyes:

Inundated

09-02-05, 08:01 PM

Thanks Steve,

I will check channel 560 tonight. I am on TWC from Canton. Our numbers are a little different from Akron.

I believe everything above a certain channel number is the same throughout Northeast Ohio (like, above the locals).

Oh, and Canton has local LPTVer WIVM/52 up in the 500's (SD, not HD), but that's about it.

I don't know if the channel is temporary, as another poster here says.

Michael P 2341

09-03-05, 11:11 AM

The last preseason Browns game appeared to be in HD on WOIO! (At least it was broadcast in 16 X 9). Even the commercials stayed in 16 X9! I wonder if e-mails from members of this board helped to sway them to at least give HD a try?

I only have a SD set with an HD PVR (Dish 921), so I could not tell you if it was true HD or just "EDTV" like FOX used to do. There were no tell-tale signs of an upconvert (seeing "dashes" on the top of the widescreen picture when viewed on a 4 X 3 screen letterboxed). Anyone else with a real HD set notice if the game was in true HD?

ajstan99

09-03-05, 11:17 AM

The Browns game was in stretch-o-vision. I wish the broadcasters would just leave 4:3 at 4:3 and let me decide if I want it streched and distorted to get a bigger picture.

Inundated

09-03-05, 02:58 PM

I missed it locally, but I doubt very seriously the Browns game was in HD. I'm surprised that they apparently stretched the upconvert, because I've never seen 19 do that with SD programming...

E-Mails from people won't convince them to do games in HD when the games have already started...for one, those decisions have to be made months in advance! (Due to equipment/truck procurement, etc.)

Michael P 2341

09-03-05, 03:52 PM

The little bit I saw of WOIO-DT that evening (My 921's hard drive was literally on it's deathbed during the game) it appeard that the "stretch-o-vision" was not the same stretch-o-vision I've seen elsewhere. Usually I stretch "stretch-O-vision" broadcasts to full screen. They look more natural in full screen. The game acually looked better in letterbox. Also, as I posted above, the annoying "dashes" were not there (whenever I see dashes, I immediately stretch to full screen and every time the picture is closer to normal). True HD has no dashes and neither did the game.

NOTE: The "dashes" are bits of data sent in the black bar (VBI?) of an NTSC video frame. The dashes are visible on 4 X 3 screens when in letterbox format. Most believe it's closed captioning, others believe its SMPTE time code. In any event it looks terrible in letterbox on a SD set (more like "squish-o-vision").

Examples: On my 4 X 3 SD tube WEWS local news has the dashes, WJW does not. WEWS looks better stretched to full screen 4 X 3, while WJW looks better letterboxed.

kosar1985

09-03-05, 04:06 PM

Shark73

09-03-05, 09:07 PM

Based on information, supposedly the only HD ABC college football games are the BCS bowl games in January.

At this point, the only definite OTA HD college football games are:

CBS SEC game of the week
NBC Notre Dame home games (announced earlier this summer).

That's it, that's the list!

Actually, ABC will do the Miami v. Florida State game in HD on 9/5. That's the only confirmed game on ABC this year expect for the Bowl games.

Just in case you guys have not seen this site here's a link....they list all sporting events in HD and is usually up to date.

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/cfb.php

Shark73

09-03-05, 09:09 PM

Has anyone heard if Adelphia plans to update the software on the SA 8300? I've read that the box is capable of much more than what Adelphia is providing to us....not that I'm real surprised by what they offer....I just want more!!!

Tom in OH

09-03-05, 10:39 PM

i got a question... do you need to ground an antenna if you are running it through a power surge protector. When i bought my TV i bought this power strip for about $150, you can plug sat and phone lines into it

All the stuff I've read on installing antennas recommends an 8ft. copper rod for a ground fastened, by the shortest distance possible, to the mount of the antenna with grounding cable and also a separate grounding cable to the rod for the RG-6 cable(using a grd. block). It's easy if your antenna is close to where your electric is grounded.

grd. block:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?CAT=Grounding&PROD=GRB2S

Good idea on the power strip. Those things do a lot for a little money(u must have the cadillac... ^_^ ). It could probably handle a full lightning strike but with a copper rod outside to absorb most of the energy, your system will be safer.

pupper

09-05-05, 10:23 PM

kosar1985

09-06-05, 09:41 AM

WOIO went down for me, had a 93% now it's at 63-69%

flatiron

09-06-05, 10:27 AM

Has anyone heard anything about WKYC having signal problems. I had 70% signal last week and now I can't get a blip on the receiver. I know 3 is hard to get, but I am just wondering if anybody can shed some light.

Thanks

This is likely is tropo/skip, where some distant channel 2 is skipping in on top of WKYC-DT on Ch 2 (there are channel 2's in Detroit and Pittsburgh), which will increase the bit-error-rate, and may wipe it out if the distant station signal is coming in strong enough (note that DTV signal percentages indicate bit errors or signal-to-noise, rather than raw signal strength) . This happens a lot during the summer, especially on VHF frequencies. You can verify this if you have an analog tuner connected to your antenna - you'll be seeing a lot of out-of-town stations under these conditions.

ZManCartFan

09-06-05, 01:07 PM

There's a thread going on in Programming that is promising that the OSU/Texas game will be HD on Saturday:

Click here for thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=577435)

It does, indeed, show on the main ABC page that Saturday night's game will be in HDTV.

rluyster

09-07-05, 12:35 PM

This is likely is tropo/skip, where some distant channel 2 is skipping in on top of WKYC-DT on Ch 2 (there are channel 2's in Detroit and Pittsburgh), which will increase the bit-error-rate, and may wipe it out if the distant station signal is coming in strong enough (note that DTV signal percentages indicate bit errors or signal-to-noise, rather than raw signal strength) . This happens a lot during the summer, especially on VHF frequencies. You can verify this if you have an analog tuner connected to your antenna - you'll be seeing a lot of out-of-town stations under these conditions.

I think this is what makes reception of WKYC-DT problematic here in Canton at times. Pittsburgh stations are received here quite often, sometimes with very strong signals and I know KDKA on channel two has to be having an effect. All this summer reception of Pittsburgh DT stations has been occurring almost nightly with WIIC-DT being the most consistent. All the analog stations there are received quite often with varying strength also. Others seen quite often include stations in
Toledo, Dayton, Columbus, Erie, Johnstown, Morgantown etc., so there's lots of skip around that might complicate local reception, especially DT.

kosar1985

09-07-05, 10:53 PM

"Lost" was supposed to be in HD tonight and it wasn't. Does anyone know why, and if I could've called and had them switch it to HD.

Inundated

09-07-05, 11:28 PM

"Lost" was supposed to be in HD tonight and it wasn't. Does anyone know why, and if I could've called and had them switch it to HD.

Don't know why, but any time a local TV station doesn't flip the right switch (when you're reasonably sure the show should be in HD), call their newsroom...which is answered 24 hours. WEWS/5's newsroom number is 216-431-3700.

These folks are sometimes quite busy working on, well, newscasts...so be quick and polite and ask to be transferred to engineering, if possible. If not, quickly tell them the problem and ask them to notify engineering. Don't rant and rave at them! They're doing you a favor.

BTW, I'd check the HDTV Programming boards here before I call the station, to make sure it's not a national problem.

mobgre

09-08-05, 10:54 AM

"Lost" was supposed to be in HD tonight and it wasn't. Does anyone know why, and if I could've called and had them switch it to HD.
I don't know about any one else, but here in N. Olmsted on Adelphia there has been no ABCHD for 2 evenings now. Did not check OTA but hope it is up before tonights football game.

hookbill

09-08-05, 11:47 AM

I don't know about any one else, but here in N. Olmsted on Adelphia there has been no ABCHD for 2 evenings now. Did not check OTA but hope it is up before tonights football game.

I just checked, WEWS-DT is coming in fine here via Adelphia. I'm in Bainbridge.

mobgre

09-08-05, 12:06 PM

I just checked, WEWS-DT is coming in fine here via Adelphia. I'm in Bainbridge.
Let me clarify. I am getting WEWS-DT. What I have not got the last 2 nights is the HD feed for the primetime shows, George Lopez, Rodney, Boston Public, Lost etc. What I am getting is the channel 705 stretchovision upconvert for these shows. No HD.

frank10

09-08-05, 12:32 PM

hookbill

09-08-05, 01:04 PM

Let me clarify. I am getting WEWS-DT. What I have not got the last 2 nights is the HD feed for the primetime shows, George Lopez, Rodney, Boston Public, Lost etc. What I am getting is the channel 705 stretchovision upconvert for these shows. No HD.

OK, I gotcha. Then if they are showing it in lovely stretch o vision then it's probably either nobody threw the switch, or, once again, they are waiting for a part to be delivered.

Apparently WEWS gets it shipments from the Pony Express.

Gary16

09-08-05, 05:14 PM

frank10

09-08-05, 05:22 PM

disappointing!

Michael P 2341

09-08-05, 06:07 PM

I think this is what makes reception of WKYC-DT problematic here in Canton at times. Pittsburgh stations are received here quite often, sometimes with very strong signals and I know KDKA on channel two has to be having an effect. All this summer reception of Pittsburgh DT stations has been occurring almost nightly with WIIC-DT being the most consistent. All the analog stations there are received quite often with varying strength also. Others seen quite often include stations in
Toledo, Dayton, Columbus, Erie, Johnstown, Morgantown etc., so there's lots of skip around that might complicate local reception, especially DT.

FYI: WIIC-DT does not exist. What you are probably getting is WPXI-DT (11.1, rf 48). Pittsburg's NBC used to be WIIC years ago. Since that time a low-power station has snagged the classic cal letters, but they are not "DT" they are WIIC-LP. I got WPXI-DT when I lived in Seven Hills for a short time. I even have a recording of a news break and a snip of their "Weather Plus" on 11.2

hookbill

09-08-05, 06:27 PM

Unfortunately, due to problems with the ABC digital receiver at the station, WEWS has been unable to broadcast any ABC HD programming in HD for the past two nights. Although replacement equipment is due in Friday morning, it means that tonight's NFL game will also not be in HD.

There's this new thing called overnight shipping! :rolleyes: Yes! Everyone uses it. HD football is IMPORTANT.

Anybody got the number for FED EX?

Phoenix2088

09-08-05, 06:43 PM

Every month something seems to breaks at WEWS.

stuart628

09-08-05, 06:46 PM

kosar1985

09-08-05, 07:35 PM

for steelers fans,
no time soon

Michael P 2341

09-08-05, 07:51 PM

hey does anyone know about youngstown cbs? I get their analog station (kinda crappy like) but their digital is what I am after as it has (sorry in advance) steelers football on it, does anyone know when they go live?
I asked the same thing to "TV21Cheif" several pages back. Here is the post:

Originally Posted by Michael P 2341
Thanks for the heads-up Robert.

Do you know what's up with WKBN? When will they put up their DT signal? I've seen some blips on my signal meter for ch 41, however that could be Detroit's WXYZ and not WKBN.

WKBN is not on the air yet. They've had a lot of problems with getting a construction permit and getting the people that own their towers to make modifications so they can mount equipment.

It looks like I won't have a replacement upconverter until beginning of next week now. The good news is it's the latest and greatest so it should improve our SD upconverted PQ.

__________________
Robert J. Flis
Chief Engineer
WFMJ-DT 20/WFMJ-TV 21/WBCB
Youngstown, OH

stuart628

09-08-05, 07:53 PM

lol I figured, I use to be a Browns fan, and if they every bring back BROWNS football I have no problem watching them, but until my smash mouth football comes back, and they get rid of this crap west coast style football, I have no interest in them, if they had a bernie style quarterback, well that would make my year, until then I watch the team that has no problem being a smash mouth team nad that is the steelers. enjoy the game tonight, even though its not going to be in HD

Q of BanditZ

09-08-05, 07:55 PM

Just read the title of this thread. That should underscore for you how senseless this truly is and stick in your craw a little bit.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=578509

A trashy game like that gets HD tonight but we can't see two top five teams go at it in HD on ABC, ESPN, or ANYWHERE else come Saturday night?

Ridiculous. Senseless.

jdswimm

09-08-05, 08:03 PM

stuart628

09-08-05, 09:02 PM

the game is on and IN beautiful hd! there transmitter must not be broken!!! I am loving it!

Q of BanditZ

09-08-05, 09:47 PM

HD on ABC sure looks nice for MNF doesn't it? Too bad we won't be seeing this on Saturday for a HUGE college football game between two top five teams.

Gary16

09-09-05, 09:08 AM

Miracles do happen. The broken/intermittent ABC HD receiver decided it wanted to work last night so the NFL game was, in fact, transmitted in HD on WEWS.

Tom in OH

09-09-05, 10:44 AM

thx Gary! good work

rluyster

09-09-05, 12:08 PM

FYI: WIIC-DT does not exist. What you are probably getting is WPXI-DT (11.1, rf 48). Pittsburg's NBC used to be WIIC years ago. Since that time a low-power station has snagged the classic cal letters, but they are not "DT" they are WIIC-LP. I got WPXI-DT when I lived in Seven Hills for a short time. I even have a recording of a news break and a snip of their "Weather Plus" on 11.2

You're correct...sorry, I think my brain has been in a time-warp lately, going back to when I watched WIIC-TV as a teenager in Belmont county :)...I meant WPXI-DT. I'm aware of WIIC-LP but have never seen it. WPXI-DT is received here almost nightly and I've been curious as to why this is the case when at the same time the other Pittsburgh DT stations are at a level too low to lock in on my LG receiver.

Michael P 2341

09-10-05, 09:29 AM

You're correct...sorry, I think my brain has been in a time-warp lately, going back to when I watched WIIC-TV as a teenager in Belmont county :)...I meant WPXI-DT. I'm aware of WIIC-LP but have never seen it. WPXI-DT is received here almost nightly and I've been curious as to why this is the case when at the same time the other Pittsburgh DT stations are at a level too low to lock in on my LG receiver.
I just snagged WPXI again last night (first time@ my new home). I also snagged some PSIP data from a digital ch 38. It's either WQED or WOSU. The lock did not stay on long enough to grab the call letters, however it did put 4 subchannels into my EPG (38.1, 38.2, 38.3, 38.4) Seeing how both DT 38's are PBS may explain the abundance of subchannels.

As a kid I traveled through Western PA and remember seeing a sign along US 422 in Kittanning, PA "A WIIC Community". The "II" in that call might have been inspired by the channel number "11" (this was long before low-power TV calls with the channel number imbedded). Their current call WPXI makes more sense: "P"ittsburg's "XI" roman numerals for 11.

Michael P 2341

09-10-05, 09:37 AM

from what I heard WKBN's owner hasn't worked any plans to start HD. Piedmont TV out of NC owns WKBN and their Low Power FOX WYFX. If you have Time Warner Cable they carried WOIO HD on channel 541 in Warren and Youngstown. IF you live in western PA or Columbiana County OH, you will get KDKA HD on 502. I think it will be long time before WKBN TV gets their HD or digital signal running.

I spoke with the GM at WFMJ. He said WFMJ will not be bringing Weather Plus to 21-3. Because they don not have enough bandwidth at this time.

I have moved to New Philadelphia OH. Adelphia is the cable here. Currently, the only local broadcast HD is WKYC and WEWS. On the basic cable service we get WCMH NBC 4 Columbus, and I don't know why.Maybe because of the OSU games?We also get WTOV NBC 9 out of Steubenville OH. Also we get WTRF CBS 7 out of Wheeling WV . I looked at the FCC website and WCMH is not significantly viewed in Tuscarawas County OH.. WTOV and WTRF are....It's not the FCC that determines significantly viewed status. Neilson Reserch determines the DMA's based on their surveys. The FCC uses Neilson's data, so the FCC's website is not up-to-date. BTW: September is the month when DMA's get "tweaked". Several years ago that tweaking took Lawrence County, PA out of the Youngstown DMA and into the Pittsburgh DMA. :rolleyes: As close as New Castle is to Yongstown it's hard to believe that more people there are watching Pittsburgh. Thanks to cable such swings are possible. If most viewers had to use OTA, Youngstown would have won over Pittsburgh.

Michael P 2341

09-10-05, 11:29 AM

I spoke with the GM at WFMJ. He said WFMJ will not be bringing Weather Plus to 21-3. Because they don not have enough bandwidth at this time. It's just as well, WBCB is a better use of the bandwidth. It appears that they are giving a decent amount of bandwidth to WBCB, I don't see the nasty pixilation that insufficient bandwidth allocation causes. I wish WUAB would give "The Tube" more bandwidth. Right now they give it so little that the artifacts make the picture almost unwatchable on scenes with rapid movement.

BTW: I find it interesting that WFMJ's GM would make a statement that they don't have enough bandwidth "at this time". Hello... The bandwidth is fixed for every digital station, it will never increase. The only way for WFMJ to get the bandwidth for Weather Plus without dropping WBCB's bandwidth would be to not carry any HD programming from NBC. We don't want them to ever consider that! We are lucky that they are able to get WBCB out at the same time WFMJ has HD programming.

As for WKBN, when they do go digital, I hope they piggyback WYFX on a subchannel in the same way that WFMJ does WBCB.

jdswimm

09-10-05, 06:16 PM

thanks for the info on sig viewed. Tusc County is under the Cleveland DMA. I guess I will have to wait and see what Nelison comes up with. Even Adelphia doesn't know why they carry WCMH Columbus.

Time Warner carries the Tube on 546, the picture on there doesn't look to bad. I spoke with Tech at WNWO in Toldeo. They carry Weather Plus on 24-3, and The Tube on 24-2. They have about 15 Mpgs. Most goes to HD of course. 2 mpgs for Wx Plus and The Tube. You are right about WFMJ northeast ohio can't afford to loose another NBC HD. WKYC is always having those problems with Channel 2. TWCable has always had a hard time to pick up KDKA CH 2, because of KYC's digital effecting the signal. I think WKBN will carry WYFX as subchannel. The only problem with that would be no FOX HD in Y-Town. Or course you can get WJW or WPGH.

firemantom26

09-10-05, 09:04 PM

I just snagged WPXI again last night (first time@ my new home). I also snagged some PSIP data from a digital ch 38. It's either WQED or WOSU. The lock did not stay on long enough to grab the call letters, however it did put 4 subchannels into my EPG (38.1, 38.2, 38.3, 38.4) Seeing how both DT 38's are PBS may explain the abundance of subchannels.

As a kid I traveled through Western PA and remember seeing a sign along US 422 in Kittanning, PA "A WIIC Community". The "II" in that call might have been inspired by the channel number "11" (this was long before low-power TV calls with the channel number imbedded). Their current call WPXI makes more sense: "P"ittsburg's "XI" roman numerals for 11.

WQED is 38 out of Pittsburgh.

thorton22

09-12-05, 10:06 AM

TV21CHIEF

09-12-05, 11:12 AM

To add to the headaches of waiting for WKBN to go HD, I tuned into the analog signal Sunday about 1PM and found something real disturbing........the Cleveland Browns! I thought WKBN carried the Steelers as their local game. I've emailed people at WKBN at least 4 times over the last month with questions but have yet to get a response. They did carry the Steeler preseason games, though. Does anyone get a CBS station outside of KDKA in Pittsburgh that shows the Steelers as the local game? I am from the Canton area.

I worked at that station for 20 years. Unless the Browns & Steelers play in different time slots, WKBN will always have the Browns. Even though the viewership in Y-town is a 50/50 mix as far as football goes, we are considered a Cleveland city for sports. The preseason games are broadcast on an independent basis. One of the local stations (KDKA in this case) will acquire the rights for the preseason games from the NFL and offer it to other stations out of the market, like WKBN.

paule123

09-12-05, 12:35 PM

hookbill

09-12-05, 01:34 PM

Are there any Cleveland Wide Open West customers with an SA8300HD ?
I've got the SA8000HD and I want to swap it out for an 8300 since I hear that has better PQ on the analog channels (I'll do anything to improve WOIO's horrible picture on the non-HD Browns games)

I called WOW customer service, they say they are still only supplying the SA8000HD.

If that's all they have, then that's it. But if it makes you feel any better, I never saw a great deal of pq difference of analog between the 8000 and 8300. Now when Adelphia may their local stations available in digital, then you could see the difference

Inundated

09-13-05, 05:44 PM

To add to the headaches of waiting for WKBN to go HD, I tuned into the analog signal Sunday about 1PM and found something real disturbing........the Cleveland Browns!

I'm a Browns fan, and I found it disturbing, too. :D

FWIW, WKBN will carry the Steelers if the Browns aren't on, and if for some reason, they stop selling out Cleveland Browns Stadium. Of course, that hasn't happened since the team came back in 1999.

flatiron

09-13-05, 11:42 PM

Does anyone know whats up with WOIO? has been stretchovision upconvert all evening - no HD on NCIS or Letterman?

ZManCartFan

09-14-05, 01:00 PM

It's been a while since this has been discussed on here (I think during the Olympics), and besides - I finally got rid of my old Pro Logic receiver and moved up to a DD / DTS one.

What's the current status of any locals broadcasting Dolby Digital audio? It looks like Fox 8 is the only one currently offering anything, but it also looks like it's limited to network-feed material. Are any of their shows actually recorded in 5.1?

And what about any of the others? Anybody know of any plans to upgrade to 5.1 audio?

flatiron

09-14-05, 01:13 PM

Rijax

09-14-05, 02:43 PM

CH 5 and 19 don't. Drives me nuts. How can you send out Hi Def video without Hi Def audio. AAARRRRRGGGGHHHH! :confused:

Ben Music

09-14-05, 04:11 PM

To all Cleveland Comcast users w/Mot 6412 HD boxes:

Has anyone receieved in the last few days an upgrade to the IGuide? It is a much improved version with more features and information on which movies and shows are being shown in HD. I was told that it has already been sent out to all Comcast HD boxes, but I have yet to see any change on my box.

Let me know if anybody has seen this upgrade yet.

Thanks,
Ben Music

ZManCartFan

09-14-05, 04:33 PM

CH 3 and CH 8 pass network DD 5.1. CH 5 and 19 don't. Fox football, as well as many network shows, broadcast in 5.1

I noticed that the football game on Sunday was in 5.1 on Fox. Sounded pretty good, as a matter of fact.

But every time I've flipped by CH 3, the broadcast has not been in 5.1. At best it's DD 2.0.

Are there any guides anywhere that let us know what shows are broadcast in 5.1?

hookbill

09-14-05, 05:10 PM

I noticed that the football game on Sunday was in 5.1 on Fox. Sounded pretty good, as a matter of fact.

But every time I've flipped by CH 3, the broadcast has not been in 5.1. At best it's DD 2.0.

Are there any guides anywhere that let us know what shows are broadcast in 5.1?

To the best of my knowledge all FOX HD shows, including the formentioned football game are broadcast in Dolby 5.1. Their Saturday baseball which is not in HD is also in 5.1.

Same thing with NBC. But they don't have football or baseball. :)

jtscherne

09-14-05, 05:25 PM

Actually NBC has HD Notre Dame football, so it will be interesting to see if we get 5.1 for the first game....

flatiron

09-14-05, 08:35 PM

Drives me nuts. How can you send out Hi Def video without Hi Def audio. AAARRRRRGGGGHHHH! :confused:

My understanding is that NBC, ABC, CBS, and UPN (and probably the WB) send a high-bitrate signal (>>19.2MB/sec) to their affiliates, which must be re-encoded to the 19.2 MB/sec (or less if the station multicasts) ATSC signal transmitted. Because of this re-encoding, in order to transmit the audio in 5.1, the station must purchase an (expensive) encoder from Dolby. Locally, only WKYC has done this.

FOX, on the other hand, uses the splicer technology, so the signal sent to their affiliates is already ATSC format and does not require any re-encoding. Thus all FOX HD stations are 5.1, I believe.

BTW, still no HD on WOIO. I haven't seen any HD there for at least 2 days.

akkou

09-14-05, 11:44 PM

I've just come to cleveland from Korea

And I am curious about how I can enjoy HDTV here.

Do you think that I can have a good HDTV with only antenna here?

Is signal good here?

Or should I contact to direct TV or Adelphia? What choice is cheap for HDTV?

I live in Fairhill, Shaker Heights (near Case Univ.)

Please repy to me

rlb

09-14-05, 11:56 PM

Akkou,

With an antenna, you can get all the network programs that are broadcast in HDTV. That is a majority of primetime (7:00-11:00 PM) shows on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, and also some on WB.

I use both an antenna and Direct TV. DirectTV provides HBO, Showtime, ESPN, and 3 or four other HD dedicated/specialty channels (e.g. Discovery).

Cable is probably the easiest alternative. It provides the networks and HBO, Showtime, ESPN and small assortment of specialty HD channels.

Good luck. Hope you enjoy Cleveland and the available HD.

rlb

09-15-05, 12:00 AM

akkou

09-15-05, 10:18 AM

Akkou,

Forgot your question regarding price. Antenna is obviously free after installation. Cable will probably run $80-$100 per month depending upon how many premium channels you get. Direct TV is also around $80-$100 per month; but you must purchase your receiver; while cable allows you to "rent" the receiver for around $5.00 per month.

Thanks for your reply

I guess I can test the signal after buying Zennith antenna.

I just don't know where the broadcasting tower of Cleveland is and

whether the signal is good in Shaker Heights.

SteveC

09-15-05, 11:57 AM

Akkou,

Forgot your question regarding price. Antenna is obviously free after installation.

If your display unit does not have an ATSC(HiDef) tuner built in(most have only an analog NTSC(not HiDef) tuner) then you would also need to buy a separate ATSC tuner for $250-$350 if you do not go with cable or DirecTV. If you are thinking about DirecTV, I suggest you wait until at least November when they are supposed to come out with their new MPEG4 capable receivers. This will eventually allow you to get the HD local channels over the dish instead of an antenna and have access to many more national HD channels(Cinemax HD, Starz HD, etc.) that they don't carry now. To get more information on selecting an antenna and what direction to point it, check out this website: http://antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

Steve

Michael P 2341

09-15-05, 12:54 PM

akkou,

Welcome to Cleveland!

Chech out this thread: http://www.dbsforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45307
Close out - only $89.00.

As far as where to aim your antenna from Fairhill, the transmitters are Southwest of Cleveland in the suburb of Parma. You will need an antenna that picks up both VHF & UHF. The digital channels currently on the air are: 2, 10, 15, 26 (low power, may be tough to pick up on the east side), 28, 31, and 34. There are also 2 from the Akron/canton area: 39 and 50. 26 & 50 are PBS, both have subchannels. the main feed is PBS HD which is a different schedule than what the analog station carries.

Also the WB is not yet on the air in digital in Cleveland. You will have to watch analog ch 55.

akkou

09-15-05, 01:51 PM

You will need an antenna that picks up both VHF & UHF. The digital channels currently on the air are: 2, 10, 15, 26 (low power, may be tough to pick up on the east side), 28, 31, and 34. There are also 2 from the Akron/canton area: 39 and 50. 26 & 50 are PBS, both have subchannels. the main feed is PBS HD which is a different schedule than what the analog station carries.

Also the WB is not yet on the air in digital in Cleveland. You will have to watch analog ch 55.

Thanks, guys !! You are really helping me.

one more question is...

Are analog NBC, CBS (Actually, I don't even know how do you say these normal chanels. "network?") UHF or VHF?
If UHF, I think I can buy HDTV/UHF antenna.

;)

SteveC

09-15-05, 02:02 PM

The Antennaweb site I mentioned lists all the channel numbers(analog and digital) for our area. No reason to list them all here. Channel 2-13 is VHF, 14 and up is UHF.

Michael P 2341

09-15-05, 02:16 PM

What gets confusing is the analog channel numbers have been around for many years, so when you watch a digital channel they still use the ananlog channel number in their i.d.'s. After the transition most of these channels should go back to the original frequencies, just now in digital.

akkou, Since you are new to the area I don't mind providing the list:

NBC is WKYC, analog 3, digital 2
ABC is WEWS, analog 5, digital 15
FOX is WJW, analog 8, digital 31
CBS is WOIO, analog 19, digital 10
PBS is WVIZ, analog 25, digital 26 (note that analog 25's programs differ for anything on 26 at this time)
UPN is WUAB, analog 43, digital 28 (has a subchannel called "the Tube" all music videos)
Univision (Spanish network) is WQHS, analog 61, digital 34

There are a few more stations considered local to Cleveland, but transmitted inthe Akron/Canton area:
TBN (Christian) is analog 17 (in Canton - not receivable in Cleveland) digital 39 (does come in well, at least here in Parma) There are 4 subchannels, no HD programming
PBS WEAO, analog 49, digital 50 (note this station does carry it's analog program on a subchannel while the main feed is PBS HD identical to WVIZ).

Mitch1300

09-15-05, 10:21 PM

I live in Kingwood TX and my antenna used to get all local channels but now I only seem to get UPN and the channels above 49. I noticed that I get all the channels with a 204 compass and non of the 203's. Is it possible something moved my antenna slightly and I need to move it back?? This is what the antenna website said about my address.
* red - uhf KHOU-DT 11.1 CBS HOUSTON TX 203° 38.5 31
* red - uhf KHWB-DT 39.1 WB HOUSTON TX 203° 38.0 38
* red - uhf KETH-DT 24 TBN HOUSTON TX 204° 38.7 24
* red - uhf KTRK-DT 13.1 ABC HOUSTON TX 203° 37.5 32
* red - uhf KPRC-DT 2.1 NBC HOUSTON TX 203° 38.0 35
* red - vhf KPXB-DT 49.1 PAX CONROE TX 204° 38.2 5
* red - uhf KRIV-DT 26.1 FOX HOUSTON TX 203° 37.5 27
* red - uhf KTXH-DT 20.1 UPN HOUSTON TX 204° 38.7 19
* red - uhf KAZH-DT 57.1 AZA BAYTOWN TX 204° 38.2 41
* red - uhf KXLN-DT 45.1 UNI ROSENBERG TX 204° 38.7 46
* red - uhf KZJL-DT 44 SAH HOUSTON TX TBD 203° 38.8 44
* blue - vhf KUHT-DT 8.1 PBS HOUSTON TX 203° 37.5 9

Thanks for any help you guys can offer me.

JoeySR

09-15-05, 10:50 PM

pizza

09-16-05, 09:55 PM

Michael P 2341

09-17-05, 08:43 AM

I can't believe it, after a year of struggling to get the local over-the-air hd channels I've finally found solid success. I've tried several different antennas and found a cumbersome solution a few months back combining a terk with a radio shack, switching between the two because each got channels the other couldn't. This week the wife and I rearranged the front room and when I placed the radio shack (which is the better antenna from my experience) in a new spot, it picked everything up. :) It's not 100% perfect, I'll have to tweak it occassionally (usually for 19 or 3) but the stations will come in. Right now I can get 3, 5, 8, 15, 19, 25 (I live down the road from WVIZ and it looks great), 26, 28, 43 (and their music channel) and 61. Any other channels I should be looking for?Try 50 (WEAO-DT) which is channel 49. The main feed is identical to WVIZ's 25-1, however there is one subchannel 50-2 that is the digital version of ch 49 (i.e. the analog PBS feed digitized). WVIZ is not offering a digital subchannel of the analog PBS feed at this time, so ch 50 may me the way to go especialy for those PBS programs not in HD (like the BBC World news, Nightly Business Report etc.).

Another one to try is 39. That one has 4 subchannels, all SD, from Trinity Broadcasting Network.

Both 39 & 50 are in Akron.

Michael P 2341

09-17-05, 08:47 AM

Michael P 2341

09-17-05, 08:54 AM

My son lives in Lakewood and he has installed the Direct TV HD local antenna recently and he gets 3,5 and 8 real good. However 19 is very marginal. Is thier signal on low power? If so when does the FCC say they have to be at full power. According to the website he is only 8.5 miles from their transmission tower so I can't figure why he can't get it better. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, JoeySR19's digital signal is on VHF channel 10 - a poor choice on the part of whoever made the channel assignments. There is an analog chanel 10 in London Ontario that used to come booming in every summer. If you live anywhere near the lake that analog signal could be causing interferennce. If you live in the southwestern end of the Cleveland DMA (Mansfield, Ashland etc.) then there is an analog ch 10 in Columbus that may be causing interference.

Dittos for WKYC-DT on ch 2. There is no room on the VHF band around Cleveland yet two digital transition signals were placed there. So on top of having to get a broadband antenna (VHF/UHF combination) there are analog stations operating just outside the Cleveland DMA on those channels (ch 2 in both Detroit and Pittsburgh).

If you are getting ch 3 o.k. you should also be getting 19. 3 is on the lowest VHF channel and is one of the lowest power of all the digital transmitters in Cleveland (not counting WVIZ 25 which is running a temporary transmitter from their studio on BrookPark Rd. at 1 kw). The direction for both are the same (I can see the towers out my back window).

stuart628

09-17-05, 11:40 AM

flatiron

09-17-05, 12:57 PM

anyone else getting a green grid overlay every 2-3 secods on cbs, and in general really really bad picture quality? or is it just my 811 acting up again, this is really really really bad and annoying! let me know before I go take away and add cbs again

Yes, seeing the same on WOIO-DT OTA (Fusion HD card): green overlay plus the edges of the picure jumping back and forth on screen. It's on the local commericals as well as the ESPN-Plus feed. The analog feed is fine.

Also, WEWS-DT appears to be off the air.

ZManCartFan

09-17-05, 01:04 PM

Yes, seeing the same on WOIO-DT OTA (Fusion HD card): green overlay plus the edges of the picure jumping back and forth on screen. It's on the local commericals as well as the ESPN-Plus feed. The analog feed is fine.

Also, WEWS-DT appears to be off the air.

Same here in Medina. Although even with the bad picture, it is kind of fun watching Michigan beat up an ostrich or llama or something.

Oh yeah, an EMU. That's it.

Michael P 2341

09-17-05, 01:42 PM

anyone else getting a green grid overlay every 2-3 secods on cbs, and in general really really bad picture quality? or is it just my 811 acting up again, this is really really really bad and annoying! let me know before I go take away and add cbs again
I have had problems with WOIO OTA ever since I got my 921. I havn't seen the "green grid overlay" for quite some time. It used to happen more often late last year. My constant problem with WOIO has been "chroma pulsation". Anything with red pulses. With a 921 I found a fix (unfotunately this won't help with an 811 - it's a PVR trick). I delay WOIO by 3 seconds, watching the delayed playback strips the crud out of WOIO's picture. Suppopsedly the chroma pulsation only affects the SD outputs. Since I don't have an HD set yet I can't confirm or deny that fact. I frequent DBS Talk where there is both an 921 and 811 support forum. Someone in Detroit had the same problem with WDIV and the delay trick worked. That station is NBC, not CBS so any PQ issues are with the local broadcster, not the network,

stuart628

09-17-05, 04:51 PM

cbs problem fixed for me right now, dont know if it will last, must be something on their end as my setup has not been touched, also wews is on for me, its 4:50 right now, so I dont know if it was off earlier, but it is up at 92% here in mogadore! enjoy

Mike_Stuewe

09-18-05, 09:15 AM

hopefully CBS doesn't do anything stupid and screw up the Browns game today.

hookbill

09-18-05, 09:47 AM

hopefully CBS doesn't do anything stupid and screw up the Browns game today.

I just checked, it is in HD. I wouldn't worry so much about CBS as I would the Browns themselves. :)

Off topic guys, but I don't understand the mad passion towards the Browns. You've got the Tribe in a pennant race but nobody in the area seems to care.

Not being a native of this area, I'm just a bit confused. :)

ZManCartFan

09-18-05, 09:57 AM

Off topic guys, but I don't understand the mad passion towards the Browns. You've got the Tribe in a pennant race but nobody in the area seems to care.

I tend to agree. But since it's a foregone conclusion that we won't see the Indians in HD until after the regular season (except for maybe a one-off ESPN game), there's not much reason to discuss it here.

Being from Columbus, though, I just wish I could get the Blue Jackets in HD! I had the whole evening scheduled two years ago when HDNet had 'em on. But then those darn blackout rules kicked in. ARRGGHH!

paule123

09-18-05, 12:25 PM

You've got the Tribe in a pennant race but nobody in the area seems to care.

Not even Fox seems to care - the Tribe game today is not going to be televised on FSN ! My theory is the greedy bastards at Fox decided to make the NFL the priority today. Ridiculous.

paule123

09-18-05, 12:32 PM

hookbill

09-18-05, 01:17 PM

I'm in Cleveland and we have a 1pm Indians game today, normally shown on FSN Ohio. But today the game is not going to be televised. Is this Fox's lame attempt to push more viewers to watch the Fox NFL game at 1pm?

BTW, the Browns game doesn't start until 4pm and it's on CBS, so the Browns wouldn't be losing any local viewers to the Tribe game...

:mad:

Well, they don't want you to miss the Vikings and Bengals game! How ungrateful can you be that you would prefer to watch your home Baseball team that's in a middle of a pennant race.

You just don't understand Fox's priorities! :rolleyes:

Inundated

09-18-05, 04:20 PM

Interesting now: WOIO-DT just switched from a badly upconverted SD feed of NE/CAR to the HD feed of the same game, at 4:15, assuming, I guess, the Browns game would be there.

But CBS can't run those three games at the same time, so the feed has been NE/CAR on WOIO-DT, now in HD, while analog 19 is with the Browns!

The NE/CAR game just ended, and they're running spots on WOIO-DT (!!!!). I guess if they want HD on that game, they have to wait until CBS "joins it". But when CBS does, it'll be there.

IMHO, they should have upconverted the SD feed (as bad as it looks) until the HD feed had the Browns, but I just flipped back to analog 4 for the game.

Inundated

09-18-05, 04:21 PM

WOIO-DT is now with the HD feed of Browns/Packers.

Inundated

09-18-05, 04:23 PM

Well, they don't want you to miss the Vikings and Bengals game! How ungrateful can you be that you would prefer to watch your home Baseball team that's in a middle of a pennant race.

You just don't understand Fox's priorities! :rolleyes:

I generally agree, by the way...I can't believe FSN didn't run today's game. It would have been a great one, because the Indians won 11 to 0! FSN does not run all Indians games...they do like 150 out of the 162.

But this IS a Browns Town...no matter how bad they currently are this year. (As I write this, GB has just burned them for a TD pass.)

paule123

09-18-05, 04:24 PM

I was just about to say what the f*** is going on here. I missed the first 5 minutes of the game because I had the HDTV tuned to WOIO-DT and the Pats game was on. Idiots.

Edit: But not to worry - next year CBS will have all the games in HD so we don't have these sorts of problems. But then again Les Moonbeam will be multicasting 5 subchannels so the picture will suck!

ted_b

09-18-05, 04:54 PM

Well, it's my seventh year of watching NFL in HD on my system and this picture is up there with the best of them, IMO. The yellow flags are soooo bright and vibrant! (What a sloppy game).

Ted

hookbill

09-18-05, 05:35 PM

FWIW, I turned on the game at 4:30 and it was in glorious HD. And as of right now the Browns are winning and driving. Refs blew a fumble call, so maybe they'll be lucky again. Whoops, check that, they just hit a field goal.

Inundated

09-18-05, 07:32 PM

Browns win! :D

ted_b

09-18-05, 07:41 PM

Browns win! :D

Actually, pretty impressive. Good clock mgmt, they got some decent breaks, great play calling in the second half, kept the penalties to something resonable (after the first period), and they didn't panic late...in the house that Vince built. Great win, even though the Pack ain't what they used to be...they're still a quality NFl team.

CBS did a nice job in HD again. Aside from the pre-multicasting and pre-bandwidth limited days of early MNF HD (the best, IMO) this had very good pq.

Michael P 2341

09-18-05, 08:39 PM

First they mess up the beginning of the Browns game on the HD feed, then when the game was over we were treated to ~45 minutes of color bars insted of the 60 Minutes updated interview with Ricky Williams.

The color bars were labeled: "BOC-NY HD TEST BARS"

I can't believe it took WOIO's staff nearly 45 minutes to catch this error. They must think nobody is watching their HD feed (well it's true, nobody in the WOIO control room is watching :mad: )

I wish they had a hot line that viewers could call to alert the staff. If I has that number I would have called at 4:15 when theyhad the wrong game on the HD feed.

Michael P 2341

09-18-05, 08:47 PM

Don't blame FOX for not carrying the game today. The Indians TV schedule was made out before the start of the season. They had no way of knowing that the Indians would be a contender or what impact baseball would have on Football games on at the same time.

By contract FSN Ohio carrys a specific number of games, 140 out of 161. I wish they would pass on carrying the same game that ESPN carrys on Wednesdays (and lift the local balckout). That would allow more games on TV overall.

Inundated

09-18-05, 11:06 PM

That's not the first time I've seen WOIO not switch back OUT of the HD feed. I'm assuming that's because the HD/digital feed for CBS' prime time programming is somewhere else, on another transponder than the NFL stuff. Oops!

And as far as FSN Ohio is concerned - yes, the games are slotted out well in advance. (BTW, I believe it's 150 of 162 games. I know for sure there are 162 games in a year. :D) But I thought there may be some flexibility to add or move games. I guess maybe not, this late in the season. All but 12 games a year are on FSN Ohio, so you expect the game to be on TV all the time.

BTW, there are rumors that WJW FOX 8 may carry (can we say it yet?) Indians playoff games, assuming they continue their current drive and make it into the playoffs. Apparently, MLB requires that playoff games are made available OTA.

I'll make the broad assumption that any games on FOX 8 won't be in HD, unless they come out of the network (FOX broadcast, not FSN Ohio).

pizza

09-18-05, 11:37 PM

Another one to try is 39. That one has 4 subchannels, all SD, from Trinity Broadcasting Network.

Both 39 & 50 are in Akron.

Sadly, no luck on either. Still plenty of juice from 25 and 26 with a couple of channels from each as well as an audio only channel so I don't think I'll miss 49 too much. Thanks anyway. :D

Tom in OH

09-18-05, 11:46 PM

Something curious about PBS HD. Several months ago PBS HD showed on the HDTivo at ch. 50-1. For months now it just says "searching for signal". Just tried 50-3 and there it is. The SD PBS with diff. programs is 50-2. Maybe everyone knew about this...

Is everyone receiving PBS in HD?

Tom

mwagner9

09-18-05, 11:54 PM

kosar1985

09-19-05, 12:02 AM

mwagner9

09-19-05, 12:14 AM

i think if you are looking for an antenna, go with an outdoor one. My personal view of Terks is that they are junk. I would recommend you go to RadioShack, Find out if the are part of the franchise, or independently owned. The difference is you can return a lot more items at the one that is owned indepently. Start with the cheapest antenna. I bought the $50 and get 3-1, 3-2, 5-1, 8-1, 19-1, 43-1, 43-2, and a couple of crappy channels I never watch.

I'm not the most antenna literate, but do I need to get anything else besides the antenna? Like a rotating mast, amplifier? And is it worthwhile to have the thing installed or just do it myself?

Thanks for the input!

Mike

rlockshin

09-19-05, 06:53 AM

Just call Cleveland Antenna Service and speak with Jim West. He will do it all for you. Why aggravate yourself. Tell him you got his name from this forum. Phone 440-237-6888. He will send out his son Joel and he will solve you problems

Michael P 2341

09-19-05, 12:34 PM

Greetings all!
I'm a long time lurker of the forums here at AVS, and need some advice. I've searched around the HDTV forums here, and noticed that not too many people seem to be in Chardon. Well, I'm here, and trying to get HD OTA :) I have a couple of questions about the channels in our area that I can't seem to get an answer to, and some hard ware questions too - please bear with me :)

1.) I'm currently using a Terk HDTVa antenna (indoor) and get decent reception. The channels I get are a little strange though. I get Cleveland ABC (5-1) and youngstown's NBC and WB (20-1 and 20-2) I also get 43-1 and 43-2, plus 61. I'm trying to figure out what kind of antenna setup will get me more of the cleveland local channels (In particular CBS ) Anyone near my area like to post some advice?

2.) Where can I find a list of ALL the channels broadcasting in our area? Antenna web just lists 5 channels, but I get more than that.

3.) I'm actually happy with the OTA so far, but is it a big improvement to get cable?We have adelphia in our area, and lets just say I'm not impressed with their pricing for even regular cable. They don't seem to offer too many more channels beyond what I can get for free. Is cable more reliable/ better quality?

Sorry for the long post, thanks for bearing with me, and hopefully someone else from around my area can shed some light on my situation!

Thanks in advance,
Mike

The digital signals for WOIO & WKYC are both VHF. Unless your TERK handles both VHF & UHF that is your first problem. Chardon is on high ground, so you shoud be able to get just about everything that is being transmitted form here on the Parma ridge. You should not need a rotor, all the transmitters are grouped close together (except for the few Akron/Canton stations). You should definitly get an outdoor antenna aimed just a little south of due west.

WOIO digital is on channel 10. There is an analog ch 10 from London, Ontario that used to come in as clear as local all over the northeast side of Greater Cleveland every summer. The presence of that analog signal will affect your reception of WOIO. WKYC is digital on ch 2, there are analog ch 2's from Detroit & Pittsburg which may interfere from time to time. Fortunately you are getting WFMJ-DT, that gives you the WB on a subchannel. The Cleveland WB is not yet digital.

You need to know the digital channel number, not just the "mapped" channel number (i.e. 3.1 and 3.2 are actually ch 2, 5.1 is actually ch 15).

These are the actual channel numbers of the digital signals:
2 - WKYC-DT
10 - WOIO-DT
15 - WEWS-DT
20 - WFMJ-DT (Youngstown - included because you indicated that you are getting it)
26 - WVIZ-DT (note: transmitting temporally from BrookPark Rd. studio with only 1 kw of power on a 99' tower)
28 - WUAB-DT
31 - WJW-DT
34 - WQHS-DT
36 - WYTV-DT (Youngstown's ABC, the signal is weaker than WFMJ)
39 - WDLI-DT (Akron/Canton has 4 subchannels from Trinity Broadcasting 17.1-.4)
47 - WOAC-DT (Canton "Shop at Home" I have not been able to lock onto this signal, I see it on the signal meter but there is too much drop-out to lock)
50 - WEAO-DT (Akron's PBS w/2 subchannels one HD the other SD)

taj2

09-19-05, 09:25 PM

Inundated

09-19-05, 09:30 PM

I am new to this forum and new to HD. I am having an issue getting a consistent signal from WOIO. I seem to get a pretty strong signal from the other major networks including WKYC. My DirecTV reciever shows a signal from WKYC of about 85. My WOIO runs between 20 and 75. From what I read here if I get WKYC than I should get WOIO. I have no idea what attenna I have as it came with my DirecTV HD Tivo. I live in SW Lakewood (right on the border of Rocky River). Could this issue be the interference from the Ontario station? Will it improve it fall/winter? I am hoping to get Browns games in HD (when broadcast) and since NFL ST blacksout Browns OTA is my only bet. Thanks.

Welcome!

If you're up by the lake, it could very well be CFPL up in London causing you grief. Or not. Is your WKYC signal pretty steady, or does it fluctuate over days?

What are you using for an antenna?

One thing you might wanna try - try picking up analog 10 with the same antenna. If you're getting anything resembling a viewable picture there...that could be a problem.

taj2

09-19-05, 09:49 PM

I have noticed no issues with WKYC. I have tried searching the web to find the attenna that is on my roof with no luck. All I know is it has these little arms that can be bent/adjusted.
May sound like a stupid question but how do I test analog 10? My OTA goes through my DTV reciever.

Tom in OH

09-19-05, 10:32 PM

Hi,
some DTV receivers have analog tuners and some don't. You could try connecting your ota antenna coax to a vcr "antenna in" or directly to a tv's "antenna in" to check analog 10.
It might be labeled "VHF/UHF".

kosar1985

09-20-05, 08:09 AM

who cares about the Indians... it's Football and Hockey season. The Indians can move out of Cleveland and I wouldn't miss them one bit. To many bandwagon fans for my taste. They sucked for so long, then everybody loved them in 95-2000. THEN

Mike_Stuewe

09-20-05, 09:50 AM

who cares about the Indians?

why care about the Browns? they have one winning season in the last 10 years? why should we support that team?

by the way Im a Browns season ticket holder.

paule123

09-20-05, 10:41 AM

Michael P 2341

09-20-05, 02:53 PM

Very soon it will be LeBron season. Anybody know if Dan Gilbert and WUAB have done any work on getting HD Cavs games this upcoming season? I thought there was a rumor/statement made right after Gilbert bought the team that he was going to sink some money into HD ala Mark Cuban?

:wishfulthinking:

I notice on the Cavs schedule they don't have a network listed for "local TV":
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/schedule/

Could it be that there is no deal signed yet for the local broadcasts?
I noticed that too (been to the Cavs site looking for the TV schedule). Seeing how WUAB is operated by the same company as WOIO I would not hold my breath re: HD. If anything they would just give us "stretch-o-vision" like they did for the last Browns preseason game. I noticed that 19 Action news is now in stretch-o-vision on 19 but on 43 it's still 4 X 3.

mwagner9

09-20-05, 05:28 PM

Michael,
Thanks for the detailed channel info - that information is surprisingly hard to find all in one place.

All,

I guess no it comes down to what antenna I should get that gets both good VHF and UHF reception. I know from reading the forums that the channel master 42XX antennas are good - but they are only UHF from what I understand. Anyone have a recommendation for an antenna for our area?

I also happen to "have" an antenna from my sister-in-laws house, however, when I hooked up my receiver to it I got zippo reception. It is a fairly large antenna, but I have no way to identify what the heck it is. As far as I can tell, it is a LPDA antenna, and towards the front, it has a vee or corner reflector. I think it must be a VHF antenna. Is that correct?

Michael P 2341

09-20-05, 07:34 PM

mwagner9

09-20-05, 08:02 PM

I did a Google search on LPDA antennas. It appears that stands for "Log Periodic Dipole Array". The first example of a LPDA antenna was for a wireless microphone, the rest were for short-wave radio used by amateurs. I could not find one TV application for LPDA.

Well, guess that shows that I don't have much of an idea what I'm talking about.

I'll keep researching this - its good to know that some of the channels are VHF, since I was just planing on getting a UHF antenna.

Thanks!
Mike

Inundated

09-20-05, 11:09 PM

With WOIO/WUAB, we're lucky to get the games in color.

:D

Michael P 2341

09-21-05, 03:03 PM

With WOIO/WUAB, we're lucky to get the games in color.

:D
:rotfl:
I wish someone from Raycom actually read these comments. Maybe they do seeing how they added the stretch-o-vision to the last Browns presseason game in a feeble attempt to fake us out.

I don't even have an HDTV screen (just an STB) and I can tell the difference.

Inundated

09-22-05, 06:07 PM

At times, it feels that Raycom is "faking out" being a TV station.

I will give them props - they GENERALLY don't seem to mess up CBS or UPN HD programming. Well, aside from sliding out of it too late on Sunday nights...

Felony44

09-22-05, 10:51 PM

I have a question i hope i can get a answer to. I just bought a VU-120XR from the shack i live in Eastlake and im having trouble getting 10 (CBS) and 31 (FOX) everything else is good my signal on 10,31 is around 28-50 and when it gets up hi enough the picture comes in. i have tired rotating the the 120 and the signal doesnt change much. Is there anything else to try or do i need a pre-amp?

Thanks

Felony44

09-23-05, 04:46 PM

Ok i fixed the channel 10 woio problem by adding a pre-amp signal is around 67-70 but i still have a problem with Fox 31 any other suggestions the signal is bouncing from 28-78

paule123

09-23-05, 05:12 PM

Ok i fixed the channel 10 woio problem by adding a pre-amp signal is around 67-70 but i still have a problem with Fox 31 any other suggestions the signal is bouncing from 28-78

Do you have a continuous length of good RG/6 coax (not RG/59) direct from the antenna to the receiver, and not going through any splitters?

Is the antenna pointed the right way -- the "tip of the arrow" should point away from Parma. I only ask because when I installed mine I thought the "arrow" should point towards the transmitters -- until I read those pesky instructions, LOL.

hookbill

09-23-05, 06:02 PM

who cares about the Indians... it's Football and Hockey season.

Oh Hockey....the profesional sport that wasn't played last year.

Nope, didn't miss that one at all.

And what local hockey team is there here? Is it in the NHL? These are serious questions, I don't ever recall hearing about a Cleveland hockey team.

Felony44

09-23-05, 09:43 PM

paule123, yes ihave the arrow pointing away and yes on the R6 and no splitters but i do have the RS pre-amp. which really helped with channel 10 WOIO but channel 31 Fox is bouncing bad going from 80 down to no signal at all its unwatchable. the best signal i get is the spanish channel at 88 the rest are 70-80s which from reading here doesnt seem to good. are there any tweaks i can try? was thinking of changing to a 10 ft mast instead of the 5ft one i use now.

kosar1985

09-23-05, 10:27 PM

And what local hockey team is there here? Is it in the NHL? These are serious questions, I don't ever recall hearing about a Cleveland hockey team.[/QUOTE]
Columbus has one, but I don't follow them. I follow the Philadelphia Flyers. Anyways, Indians fans are not loyal to the team, if people loved them so much, the the old stadium would've had more then 5,000 fans a night. CLEVELAND WILL ALWAYS BE A BROWNS TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

taj2

09-23-05, 11:27 PM

I am still having trouble with OTA locals from DirecTV. They installed a pretty cheap antenna (so I am told) a couple weeks ago and I have had very poor reception since then (ie unable to watch Browns in HD last weekend, WKYC faded in and out all night last night). I live in Lakewood about 8 miles from the various towers. I have been told that with "rabbit ears" I would get better HD reception than with the antenna I have. I am not sure the make/model but have been told that it is a pretty old model that is ineffective. My question: does anyone on this forum use an internal antenna and what is the success? I figure with my current set-up I have a couple of things working against me: 1) a bad antenna and 2) my OTA goes through a DirecTV diplexer (although I heard this has minimal effect on my HD signal). I am not sure how much money and effort I want to spend on this as I have heard that DirecTV will begin offering HD locals either late 2005 or by April 2006. Any help on how I can watch local HD until then is appreciated - I primarily want to watch the Browns when they are in HD.