It seems that WOIO's having audio problems on their digital channel. I'm watching the local news and the anchor voices are inaudible, while the tape and remote broadcasts are fine. Frankly, I wonder if they even know it!

good. action news is terrible.

good. action news is terrible.

Bah, Humbug! :D

Merry Christmas, everyone.*

* Or whatever holiday you choose.

Merry Christmas, everyone.*

* Or whatever holiday you choose.


Indeed. Merry Christmas all you Cleveland HDTV'ers.

Remember NBA on ABC and NFL on Fox and ESPN today for your HD viewing pleasure.

The full deal has been announced on the Indians website. The story indicates that they have already signed the deal with Time Warner and that negotiations will begin to offer the games to other cable operators and the satellite companies. Below is a link for the FAQ:

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279184&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle

The key part is that they hope to eventually have all games in HD, but at this point, only the WKYC games are definitely set for 2006 in HD.

Some speculation on it here:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2005/12/breaking-news-other-indians-tv-shoe.html

Note that WKYC will be producing the games even on cable/satellite, so I suppose some cable games would be expected...even if not right away. TWC certainly has HD capability, and WKYC is producing all their over-air games in HD.

Does anyone have any info when channel 55,23 Cleveland-Akron and 27 Y-town will be going to digital?

This morning's Plain Dealer article had a couple of interesting points, quoted below. I guess I wonder how difficult it will be to get another cable or satellite company to take just the games and have to devote space to a part-time channel. It was also interesting that the Plain Dealer completely ignored the HD information in the news release. I guess that means they figure that nobody cares...

ARTICLE QUOTED:

Dolan said the team and Time Warner now hope to quickly negotiate distribution deals with other cable systems - as well as satellite-TV giants DirecTV and Dish Network - allowing them to also carry the Indians' network to their subscribers throughout Ohio. Dolan admitted he could not guarantee all deals will be completed before the Indians begin their season April 2.

"I'm confident we will have . . . made a fair effort to make these games available," Dolan said.

AND

The network won't debut as a 24-hour outlet and will start out airing the Indians games (with pre- and post-game shows) and two other team programs - one airing weekly, the other quarterly. Dolan said the Indians eventually want the network to be "a full-time [regional sports network], with full-time programming."

Does anyone have any info when channel 55,23 Cleveland-Akron and 27 Y-town will be going to digital?

I was just poking around on the WBNX website and found a statement as to when they plan on going digital. Here is a link: http://www.wbnx.com/trends.htm In short, it says they are shooting for July 2006.

This morning's Plain Dealer article had a couple of interesting points, quoted below. I guess I wonder how difficult it will be to get another cable or satellite company to take just the games and have to devote space to a part-time channel. It was also interesting that the Plain Dealer completely ignored the HD information in the news release. I guess that means they figure that nobody cares...

ARTICLE QUOTED:

Dolan said the team and Time Warner now hope to quickly negotiate distribution deals with other cable systems - as well as satellite-TV giants DirecTV and Dish Network - allowing them to also carry the Indians' network to their subscribers throughout Ohio. Dolan admitted he could not guarantee all deals will be completed before the Indians begin their season April 2.

"I'm confident we will have . . . made a fair effort to make these games available," Dolan said.

AND

The network won't debut as a 24-hour outlet and will start out airing the Indians games (with pre- and post-game shows) and two other team programs - one airing weekly, the other quarterly. Dolan said the Indians eventually want the network to be "a full-time [regional sports network], with full-time programming."

I don't quite carry the concern you have on this one. I figure since Adelphia is in buy out process they will probably be "asked" (or in reallity told) by TWC to carry the station.

Now if your with a satallite company I can see your concern. Jtscherne if I remember when you moved to switched to one of those companies. Who knows how that will go?

Anyone losing OTA HDTV via Dish 6000 receiver? I can't receive ABC at all. NBC is strong, WVIz is nada. TNT is good. Seem to be losing locals OTA.

First off, TNT isn't OTA and WVIZ is running extremely low power so it is very difficult to get them. Otherwise, it all depends on your antenna setup. I have a 942 and living in South Euclid I'm able to pick up NBC, ABC, CBS very well and Fox reasonably well.


Anyone losing OTA HDTV via Dish 6000 receiver? I can't receive ABC at all. NBC is strong, WVIz is nada. TNT is good. Seem to be losing locals OTA.

I see channel 17.5 is now on line. Although not a rabid viewer of same.

JJK

Anybody have the lowdown on Adelphia in Bath,Copley Oh.
I wonder how much it will cost plus also high speed iternet and HD

Anybody have the lowdown on Adelphia in Bath,Copley Oh.
I wonder how much it will cost plus also high speed iternet and HD

Believe it or not I actually think if you call Adelphia they will give you a good answer on this question. :)

Here's the number: 1-888-683-1000

Hi all!
First of all, you are going to have to excuse me because I am very new to the HDTV scene (Hence my reason for posting) My husband and I recently purchased a Samsung 61" HDready TV. We are current subscribers of Dish Network and thus far I have been very happy with the signal and picture quality on our tube TVs, but unsatisfied with their customer service regarding HD.

I called up about a week ago to let them know about our new purchase and specifically asked how we could get our local HD channels (We want to be able to view Browns games, local newscasts, etc.) They told me that they would be sending someone out to upgrade us to an HD receiver and that there would be a $100 non-refundable installation charge for this. I grumbled and asked if we could just pick up the box and install it ourselves, but this was not an option.

So, the gentleman came out this week and installed the new receiver. Much to my dismay, we realized that we did NOT get local channels through this - only the ones that Dish Network offers like ESPN, TNT, Discovery, etc. There are about 5 total and here we are paying an extra $10 per month for this! I was very upset and asked about locals and the installer said that we would need an off-air antenna for this and said they were about $30 at Best Buy and looked like rabbit ears.

I was upset that we were not told this up front, but went out and purchased the rabbit ears. With these, we are able to get in Fox 8 very well and also some local "bible channels" - but we don't seem to be able to tune into CBS, ABC, etc - this is what we really want so that we can watch Browns games and the Fiesta Bowl!!

I called Dish Network back even more upset that we were so misled! I asked SPECIFICALLY about LOCAL HD channels and they pretty much just told us what we wanted to hear to get the sale - I went through about 4 levels of management and got nowhere. I will continue to work on getting a refund.

However - in the meantime, I demanded that someone come out and do their best to help us tune in the locals - a local man came out and he was VERY nice. He was very honest and said that he saw this a lot. He explained that:

We don't even need the HD receiver to get LOCAL HD channels.
We will probably need to get an "on the roof antenna" to get things like CBS and
ABC
By 2007, stations will be required to broadcast in HD so we're in a "Transition
period"
Dish Network has the most HD channels available right now of all the satellite
companies that he has seen.

My questions for all of you are:
Is he telling the truth?

What kind of "on the roof" antenna do you think that we are going to need? We live in Tallmadge, OH which is basically a suburb of Akron. Will we even be able to tune in the channels that I am interested in?

How much will something like this cost? Is it easy to install yourself? If you get it
installed, what will someone charge for this?

Would I be better off ditching the dish and going with a cable company for now?
We used to have Time Warner, but they were SO expensive. We were paying
$79.99 per month for regular digital cable with NO special channels - how much
would it cost us per month to get HD channels through them? I am paying $50
per month for Dish Network including the HD channels.

On a separate note - I do understand that having a 61" TV does result in
a "grainier" picture when you're not watching an HD signal. However, before we
ad our HD receiver, the picture would take up the whole 16x9 screen - it wasn't
the best possible picture, but it wasn't too bad and it wasn't stretched out or
zoomed or anything. Now that we have this new receiver, there seems to be NO
WAY to get it to fill the whole screen without either stretching it or "zooming",
which looks even worse. It automatically defaults to a 4x3 compressed image
with black bars on the side. I actually liked it better BEFORE we had the HD
receiver. I have tried to play with both settings on the Satellite remote and our
TV remote with no luck. Any hints???


Sorry about this long winded message, but you all seem to be very helpful! If it would be easier to email me an answer, please feel free to do so. Thanks in advance and I hope everyone has a great new year!

Lots of stuff, including some mistakes, so I'll start and see what others add.

If it's an HD READY TV, you still need an HD tuner to get the signals into the TV. If it's an HD TV (with an HD tuner built in) then you don't need the tuner. Since you indicated HD ready, you would still need some kind of tuner, even if you were going to just go over the air.

2007 is when TV stations must go DIGITAL (as opposed to analog, which is what it is now). That's not the same as high definition. For your purposes, your TV is ready to go.

As for receiving local stations over the air (abbreviated as OTA in most places), you need to use some sort of antenna. I don't know about the Tallmadge area, but given the distance from Cleveland, you probably will need a roof antenna to get everything (and you still might not get them all).

As for the Browns, only a few of their games this year were in HD, and tomorrow's game won't be anyway. Supposedly CBS will go all HD next year for NFL, but we'll see...

Finally, check and see if TWC has a broadcast basic package that would get you only the basic local channels, plus HD. Adelphia has a package like this which is very inexpensive. It only includes the first 20 or so regular channels, plus a few bucks for the HD box. Make sure you tell them that you only want HD locals, so get the cheapest you can.

Dish will be offering locals eventually, but it won't be for awhile in Cleveland and will probably require a new HD receiver. I know you trusted a salesperson, so it's good to continue to ask questions here before spending any more money. Good luck getting a refund though. They'll probably say they told you, since their website mentions how they handle local HD channels.

Sorry for your problems with them.

Oh yes, about your picture. HD signals come through as 16X9 (widescreen), while the standard TV is 4:3 (more square). The only way to view a standard image on a widescreen TV is to either stretch it to fit the whole screen or use the bars on the sides. The bars will give you a better picture because you won't have to stretch the image. I think you'll find that given time, you'll get used to the standard image for standard definition. I don't know which DISH receiver you have, but my remote has a "format" button on it. It's the "*" key in the lower left corner. When I hit it, a standard screen fills the screen a number of different ways.

Dish Network has the most HD channels available right now of all the satellite
companies that he has seen.

My questions for all of you are:
Is he telling the truth?



I do cable and from what I read in this forum it appears to me that the antenna thing is easy for some and not so easy for others. It kind of depends on where you live and what you got that might block signals

He is correct in saying Dish has more HD then any "other" satellite company, but keep in mind the only other company is Direct TV.

If I didn't have HD I'd prefer satellite. But where the sat companies are at now with HD it's my opinion that cable is better. I looked at what Dish is offering on the Voom plan and quite honestly I don't see myself watching a great deal of those channels. Cable offers 4 premium HD channels (at least Adelphia does) plus your locals without the hassle of the antenna. For me I'm sure the antenna would be a nightmare, I'm surrounded by hills and woods. There are a couple people in this forum who do both cable and OTA (over the air). Also Adelphia offers INHD, INHD2 (which does carry MLB) HDnet and HDnet Movies. PBS, Discovery, ESPN, ESPN2, and the NFL Network are also available.

The most important thing as far as I'm concerned is local stations and since Adelphia carries ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX in HD that's the important ones. And no antenna required.

You can stick with Dish Network and just put an antenna on your roof. I have used Cleveland Antenna Service and have been VERY HAPPY with them. I have referred others to them and they have also been pleased. Assuming no major problems, cost will be around $300-$350.
They do very professional work. If you use a rotor , you should be able to pull in Youngstown channels also. Cost will be a litle higher. Call Jim West at 440.237.6888. Tell him that I sent you. You will be pleased. They can also check your dish alignment. I had mine put in by a Direct Tv installer and Jim West readjusted it and the signal was MUCH stronger.
I have had big and little satellite for over 15 years and it is hard to find a good installer.
Jim and his son Joel are excellent.
Hope this helps

One more thing:

To get the best picture possible, you should check your video settings (contrast, brightness, etc.) Most big TVs come from the store with the contrast way too high, as well as other problems. There are a couple of DVDs out there that can help with this. There are also people who will come in and do it for you, but try to adjust it yourself first.

Wow!
Thank you so much for your quick replies! They have been truly helpful!
Actually, we do have an HDTV, it's not HD-Ready. This means that we don't really need the HD receiver for locals right?

Also, thank you for the antenna recommendation - it helps to know that you are in the Akron area and are able to get the Cleveland Local stations!

I appreciate all the feedback!

A couple of other things to add.

First, you may want to check http://www.antennaweb.org, as that will give you the recommendations for what type of antenna you need based on your specific address. This will be good info to be armed with if you do choose to have someone install the antenna for you. It will also show you what channels you may expect to receive with an antenna to begin with.

Second, even though you're entrenched in the Dish satellite service, DirecTV will begin offering local channels in HD after the first of the year. It will require a new receiver box than what is available now, but it will also usher in an expected 10 to 20 new HD channels by the end of 2006. If you're looking to switch from Dish, it may be worth it to head over to the HD Programming forum on here to look around.

In the mean time, if you're looking for the Fiesta Bowl by Monday, you may want to just find a Radio Shack and purchase a large outdoor antenna and a stick. Check their return policy, as some won't let you take back an antenna. But if they do, it might be good enough to just run a wire to your TV for Monday's game.

Anyway, good luck!

Hi, I'm in Cleveland Height, adelphia subscriber and Browns fan. But my son-in-law is from Pitts. Is it possible to watch steelers game here tomorrow? It will be on Fox at 1:00pm, not on adelphia in this area. I have a roof-top antenna, remnant of voom, and not used a year. Can get the signal by OTA? I'd like to be with my grandson one more day. Thanks much.

One more thing:

To get the best picture possible, you should check your video settings (contrast, brightness, etc.) Most big TVs come from the store with the contrast way too high, as well as other problems. There are a couple of DVDs out there that can help with this. There are also people who will come in and do it for you, but try to adjust it yourself first.

I might add on this statement that both INHD and HDnet (available only on cable) :) have test patterns available for you to do this. They work much better then the DVD's.

If you do hire a professional get recommendations. There's probably someone in this forum who has a name for you .

I live in Twinsburg with a 177" antenna and 3.1, 3.2, 5.1, 8.1, 19.1, 43.1,43.2, 61.1 come in pretty good and steady. 17.1, 17.2, 17.3 17.4 17.5, , 50.1 (no signal) 50.2, 50.3, 50.4 seem to be at low power and usually fade in and out which totally drives the viewer nuts.

JJK

Has their transmitter been fixed so that they are transmitting at full power? I'm having problems receiving their signal tonight.

I live in Twinsburg with a 177" antenna and 3.1, 3.2, 5.1, 8.1, 19.1, 43.1,43.2, 61.1 come in pretty good and steady. 17.1, 17.2, 17.3 17.4 17.5, , 50.1 (no signal) 50.2, 50.3, 50.4 seem to be at low power and usually fade in and out which totally drives the viewer nuts.

JJK

Hmm...this is interesting because here in Tallmadge, 17 and 50 are the only ones that we get well along with an occasional good signal with Fox so far :) I definitely gotta get that antenna up on the roof!

Hi guys! I'm new to this and have some questions for all you experts... I have a large antenna on the side of my house on a 30' tower- on top of that the antenna is on a rotor with an additional 5 ft mast... we've had the antenna for approx 6 or 7 years but it has been disconnected for quite some time (since dish got cleveland locals). anyway we recently got a new tv and i'm wondering if it would be worth it to buy an hd receiver (probably a used one off ebay- i'm cheap) i am located in Huron (zip 44839) and the antenna itself is a directional antenna i would estimate to be 8-10ft long- would this antenna work and would i get a decent enough signal here? antenna web puts me at around 44-45miles to each of the stations

Thanks!

Lab Rat

LabRat-

Try http://www.antennaweb.org. I think this may answer your questions based upon your specific address.

Also, WalMart has a cheap HD receiver that is only good for getting locals. I think it runs about $100. Perhaps you could try it with that receiver and return it if you either can't get the locals or the box stinks.

Wow!
Thank you so much for your quick replies! They have been truly helpful!
Actually, we do have an HDTV, it's not HD-Ready. This means that we don't really need the HD receiver for locals right?

Also, thank you for the antenna recommendation - it helps to know that you are in the Akron area and are able to get the Cleveland Local stations!

I appreciate all the feedback!I'm a longtime Dish Network subscriber, I got it in Feb. '97. Back in those days there were no local channels at all. The only way top get the broadcast networks was to subscribe to the NYC and or LA stations. You had to qualify in order to get the networks, since there is a law that you cannot subscribe to "distant" stations if you could receive a local affilliate of that same network over the air. Some subscribers gave fake addresses to get the networks and eventually both E* (the abbr. for Dish Network) and D* (abbr. for DirecTv) as well a company called "Prime Time 24" which had a similar service on the "big dish" using stations form several different markets to make up a set of east and west coast feeds of the big 4 networks (actually E* used Prime Time 24's stations at first) were sued by the NAB and the big 4 networks to stop selling distants to unqualified subscribers.

Long story short - I don't subscribe to the Cleveland locals from E*, I get them OTA. First in analog and now I get the digital OTA stations using an E* 921 DVR.

All E* HD recveivers are capable of receiving OTA stations, however you need a good rooftop antenna to get the signals (unless you live in the Parma antenna farm which is the only area where rabbit ears work well enough for digital signals).

The model 811 receiver, while not a DVR, is probably your best choice, as the local stations will have their program information in the electronic program guide even if you do not subscribe to the satellite-delivered Cleveland locals.

If I had to do it all over again I'd get the 811, E*'s DVR's are buggy :p

I live in Twinsburg with a 177" antenna and 3.1, 3.2, 5.1, 8.1, 19.1, 43.1,43.2, 61.1 come in pretty good and steady. 17.1, 17.2, 17.3 17.4 17.5, , 50.1 (no signal) 50.2, 50.3, 50.4 seem to be at low power and usually fade in and out which totally drives the viewer nuts.

JJK
I live about 45 miles south of Cleveland and get some HD stations with my old antenna on a 30'tower. Looking to get a new system. What kind of antenna and pre-amp antenna do you have ( make and antenna #). This maybe what I am looking for. I don't get anywhere as many HD channels as you do.

Is 5.1 and 19.1 having issues? For the past couple of weeks I've been having problems getting 5.1 and 19.1 OTA. What's odd is that 3.1 and 3.2 are coming in just fine, suggesting it may not be me, and 5.1 has always been strong for me. WEWS seems strong, but it'll cut out on me, being near full strength and then nothing. Very annoying.

I know WOIO-DT is a pesky channel for me to get because it is very touchy with the antenna, but I'd think if WOIO-DT went out, so would WKYC.

What's the story with 3-1? It is lower power than normal, and the signal keeps pixelating.

What's the story with 3-1? It is lower power than normal, and the signal keeps pixelating.

Given that the game isn't broadcast in HD, what difference does it make? Seriously, I'm getting a strong signal OTA and it's about the same strength as usual.

A couple of notes here for our newcomer from Tallmadge:

I live in northwest Akron - old Northampton Township area, about 20 miles from the Parma antenna farm, and with an indoor antenna, I get nearly all the locals with strong signals out my second story loft window. And I even have some trees around. But, I suspect you'd need a little more antenna firepower out in Tallmadge.

I'd strongly advise putting up a roof antenna if you can, there. For a few reasons - it'll make you less susceptible to signal strength, and with a rotor or it pointed the right way, you could even get stations from the Youngstown market. Right now, only WFMJ/21 (NBC) and WYTV/33 (ABC) are up in digital form...WKBN/27 (CBS) is a straggler for some reason. But they'd provide you with alternate network affiliates if you have problems out of Cleveland, or if they pre-empt network shows in Cleveland.

You should have little problem getting at very least WFMJ-DT out of Tallmadge with a rooftop antenna pointed the right direction (and no obstructions out to the east). WYTV-DT isn't as powerful, and WKBN-DT isn't on yet. WNEO-DT out of Salem gets you the identical feed to WEAO-DT (PBS) out of Akron.

If you're happy with satellite, and just not happy with how you got mislead by the Dish salesman, you might wanna look into DirecTV, which will reportedly have HD "local into local" for the Cleveland market soon. That means they'll actually use your satellite system to send down the local HDTV network affiliates (DT versions of NBC/3, ABC/5, FOX/8 and CBS/19) and you wouldn't even need the antenna. This won't happen until possibly spring or early summer, so you might wanna go ahead and get the antenna anyway.

hdtv4prs:
The antenna is a Discovery D-9000 available at MCM Electronics part #30-1075.
Cost is $90.00 and is shippable via UPS. I assume there are better ones available.
I tried three different pre-amps but they all attenuated the signal worse than the hdtv tuner front end. Ended up without any pre-amps. I am presently using the LG 3510a tuner with the DVD drive.

JJK

I live in Kent, OH so my tunign environment isn't all that different than Tallmadge. Additionally, I live in a valley with lots of trees and a large watertower nearby. I've got a difficult tuning environment, but I get FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS (The digital channels) with no problems. I can even grab the Youngstown UHF channels without rotating my antenna, because I use an omnidirectional UHF.

It took a lot of time, energy and money to get htings working right, but I documented it pretty well in the HTPC forum. The following link is HTPC and HDTV Tuner card centric, but there are links to the antennas I use and a pretty long description of my problems. I hope it helps some people here.

I link to Solid Signal for the Antennas, I got free shipping and since they came from Michigan, I had them in one day. I highly recommend them. The problem with OTA HDTV in the Cleveland are is that a couple of stations are VHF and the Others are UHF. Regarding the UHF channels, I couldn't get a strong enough signal due to my location (i.e. trees, valley, watertower) with the Channel Master combo antenna. I needed an omnidirectional with more gain. In case it is not clear, I removed the UHF protion (Yagi) of my Channel Master combo antenna, and mounted the Omnidirectional UHF above the VHF portion of the Channel Master, and then ran separate coaxial cable baluns from each one--I combined the signal with a standard Rat Shack combiner and then ran ~ 80' off the roof and down into my living room. The signal is srtong enough that I can split it there and run it to 2 separate TV Tuner cards without a problem.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=606857&highlight=multipathing

Anybody else noticing the vertical banding and ghosting on the SD feed (regular analog channel 5) of the Ohio State/ND game? The HD looks excellent but the SD looks pretty bad, just like some previous ABC college football games....

Anyone else lose the HD feed with 20 sec to go in the Fiesta Bowl. It don't get back on till about 9:15 and has been in and out ever since. My reception on all other OTA HD looks great. I'm even getting 8-1, which I rareley get.

Anyone else lose the HD feed with 20 sec to go in the Fiesta Bowl. It don't get back on till about 9:15 and has been in and out ever since. My reception on all other OTA HD looks great. I'm even getting 8-1, which I rareley get.

Reception of WEWS-DT has be more difficult than usual in the last few weeks for me. Thankfully the signal did not drop out during the game for me.

I asked earlier if WEWS' transmitter problems had been fixed and they were transmitting at full power, does anyone know?

All channels were coming in OK with the exception of WEWS tonight. Luckily I found an antenna position that worked for most of the game. Now, I can't get WEWS in at all.

Anyone else lose the HD feed with 20 sec to go in the Fiesta Bowl. It don't get back on till about 9:15 and has been in and out ever since. My reception on all other OTA HD looks great. I'm even getting 8-1, which I rareley get.

I watched the game in HD until the end on WOW cable and had no drop outs.

I watched the game in HD until the end on WOW cable and had no drop outs.


Yeah, I watched it on HD on Cox cable and had no drop outs but from about mid thru the 3rd Quarter to the end of the game it got real blocky almost like it was losing every other frame.

Thanks for the additional tips, everyone!!

I asked earlier if WEWS' transmitter problems had been fixed and they were transmitting at full power, does anyone know?I've had the same issue. I'm at 80 to 100% then 0%. Gets annoying. Hope it's fixed by Saturday at 8 PM.

WEWS Bucks game ?

Hey Everyone, My first post in along time, Welcome to all the new members.
I went over my budd's house to watch the bucks game yesterday on his HD Ready Rear
projection set with a Samsung SIRT450 /451? Cant recall but whenever that big
spinning ABC logo would come on his screen would go black for a few seconds, like
it was "buffering up" . There were no other issues with the broadcast Except that.
After we drank all his beer I came home and watched the Tenn. georgia Game on my
F38310 with no issues at all. the pix looked fantastic!. We both get 15 OTA. He
is comming out of the STB via component.


My Question is: Can these STB's handle a full Bandwidth Pix OK? Seemed like if the background was a helmet or the field it was ok but if the background was the fans in the
stands it would black out everytime. Damn annoying, they shot that graphic up before
every replay and by the time the thing started working again the replay was about over.
Audio was ok through all this "Thank God!" and the beer was good and cold.

On a totally unrelated topic CC called my house today and I renewed my protection
plan on my RCA F38310 for another year. That thing has been working flawlessly for
4 years now! I cant recall how to check that hour meter thing in it but we use it all
the time.

The wife and I were talking about when we first got the set the other day, back
when the only HD was the ABC Sunday night movie that may or may not have had any
audio, and some NBC stuff. How far we've come!

Well again Welcome to all the new members and Hey to all the Old Timers!
Happy New Year

The Ohio State game was flawless on my setup with the LG-3510a tuner. Signal strength usually sits around 3/4 to 7/8 of max. I did have a Samsung T165 tuner but it smoked, then I got another one and the 4 x 3 analog was always distorted in the horizontal direction by about 10% causing people to look fat so I gave it to my guru buddy last year and he hasn't hooked it up yet.

JJK

Is anyone else having problems with WEAO? Yesterday, they seemed to have 6 subchannels (with nothing on any of them) instead of the usual 4, and today they seem to be off the air completely.

Is anyone else having problems with WEAO? Yesterday, they seemed to have 6 subchannels (with nothing on any of them) instead of the usual 4, and today they seem to be off the air completely.

Same here.

(I tried searching for this topic but couldn't find anything)

Who's fault is it that Surface is broadcast with the wrong aspect ratio. I want to think its NBC itself since the stupid ads at the bottom that occasionally pop up seem to be correct, but the rest of the show is squeezed. Unfortunately, my TV locks zoom modes when fed a 720/1080 signal, so there's nothing I can do except hear my wife bitch about it and then give her the same story that it's NBCs fault. Can this be corrected by our local affiliate?

I'm getting Signal from 0 to 11 to 20 to 7 to 10 to 0 on WEWS-DT right now. I'd like to watch the Rose Bowl. C'mon Channel 5, get with it!

(I tried searching for this topic but couldn't find anything)

Who's fault is it that Surface is broadcast with the wrong aspect ratio. I want to think its NBC itself since the stupid ads at the bottom that occasionally pop up seem to be correct, but the rest of the show is squeezed. Unfortunately, my TV locks zoom modes when fed a 720/1080 signal, so there's nothing I can do except hear my wife bitch about it and then give her the same story that it's NBCs fault. Can this be corrected by our local affiliate?

This should probably be in the Cleveland local thread...

The problem was that WKYC forgot to flip the HD switch during the show, so you were watching the (letterboxed) SD feed upconverted to 1080i HD and stretched to fill the screen. You won't see any pop-up ads on the real HD feed.

Isn't WKYC still owned by NBC?

So they messed up on their own O&Os on Monday night in Cleveland and Chicago......why shouldnt I be surprised.

(I tried searching for this topic but couldn't find anything)

Who's fault is it that Surface is broadcast with the wrong aspect ratio. I want to think its NBC itself since the stupid ads at the bottom that occasionally pop up seem to be correct, but the rest of the show is squeezed. Unfortunately, my TV locks zoom modes when fed a 720/1080 signal, so there's nothing I can do except hear my wife bitch about it and then give her the same story that it's NBCs fault. Can this be corrected by our local affiliate?

I'm wondering the same thing. It should be in HD but the last few episodes have been in 480i widescreen and when I record it on my DVR it looks like crap.

I'm going to try and get hold of WKYC and see if I can get an answer on this. It looks like somebody isn't throwing a switch, but Las Vegas, which follows is just fine.

Isn't WKYC still owned by NBC?

According to Wkyc.com they are owned by Gannett Broadcasting.

I have heard a few past HD surface episodes were not delivered in time for broadcast. The episode Monday was broadcast in HD in Cincinnati.

Took the plunge, ordered Adelphia digital cable, high speed internet and even the HD.

Took the plunge, ordered Adelphia digital cable, high speed internet and even the HD.

Did you get a DVR? If you did make sure they give you an 8300 and not the 8000.

yes on DVR
they offered no option on model but I'm getting HD too

RE: Samsung SIRT-451

FWIW my buddy exchanged his Samsung STB at CC and no problems with the other Bowl
games on WEWS.

Yes I got the 8300 box
very nice !

Yes I got the 8300 box
very nice !

OK, now you may want to go here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=471859) there's some good information available for you about tricks and short cuts. Also you might want to go to the Scientific Atlanta (http://www.scientificatlanta.com/explorerclub/default.asp) web site where you can learn some other stuff.

Most of the time the cable company does not set the box up correctly so you want to make sure you have at least 1080i, 720p, and 480i set up on your receiver. When they set mine up they put it on 1080i only and that really does not give you maximum beneifit.

Also FYI I have mine set at 1080i, 720p, and 480p....I heard that setting it at 480p will give a better picture on the analogs, but I can't say for sure that is true. The only time the 8300 uses 480p is if you tune to the music stations.

And one more thing too. You may have to wait to get a software update so it might not be active right now but the SATA port is now active in our area. You can attach an external hard drive to expand your recording memory capability.

BB wl _ame a ddiioo s x's tonight!

Local crap seems fine

Cool thanks
Already have the link to the SA web site
Also the installer was good and enabled all the RES's my plasma supports.

Hi everyone. I am new to the forum and and would like some advise please. Just purhased a CM 3020 antenna and CM7777 amplifier to receive local HD. I also current have Dishnetwork. After I install my antenna, should I connect the cable directly to my HD Tv, or run the line into my Dishnetwork box? The DN box has an antenna input. I am wondering since I do subscribe to the locals with DN will the box broadcast HD OTA or dish signal to my TV? Also I am thinking about running the OTA signal to my computer so I can record shows. Will a splitter effect the picture quality? Sorry for all the questions but I am defiantly a greenhorn on this!!! Thanks in advance.

Bob

Hi everyone. I am new to the forum and and would like some advise please. Just purhased a CM 3020 antenna and CM7777 amplifier to receive local HD. I also current have Dishnetwork. After I install my antenna, should I connect the cable directly to my HD Tv, or run the line into my Dishnetwork box? The DN box has an antenna input. I am wondering since I do subscribe to the locals with DN will the box broadcast HD OTA or dish signal to my TV?

You should connect the antenna to the antenna input on the Dish HD receiver. Since you subscribe to locals, you should get the guide data for the HD channels via satellite, but the actual HD signals will come in via the antenna (since Dish does not have HD locals via satellite at this time).

BTW, I assume that you have an HD Receiver from Dish Network. A standard Dish receiver will not receive any HD channels (satellite or OTA). I only point this out because you do not indicate what Dish receiver you are using.

Disclaimer: I have DirecTV, not Dish, but believe it works the same way.

EDIT: If Dish is like DirecTV, you should see the OTA HD channels integrated with the satellite channels (i.e., same Guide, no need to change inputs, etc.)

Also I am thinking about running the OTA signal to my computer so I can record shows. Will a splitter effect the picture quality? Sorry for all the questions but I am defiantly a greenhorn on this!!! Thanks in advance.

Bob

Unless your signals are marginal, you should be able to split the signal and run it to your computer. I split my OTA signal 3 ways with no problems. YMMV.

Hope this helps.

What's going on with WEWS-DT's OTA transmission. WEWS used to be one of the strongest stations I received. In the last few weeks I have only intermittantly be able to receive it. Is anyone else having problems?

What's going on with WEWS-DT's OTA transmission. WEWS used to be one of the strongest stations I received. In the last few weeks I have only intermittantly be able to receive it. Is anyone else having problems?
I am having the same problem 8 and 43 are sronger signal.

I am getting them just fine on my 811, but they are at the 50 percent range, which is weird because anything below 65 and my 811 wont show video or audio but this channel works great!

Is anyone else having problems with WEAO? Yesterday, they seemed to have 6 subchannels (with nothing on any of them) instead of the usual 4, and today they seem to be off the air completely.

Still off the air for me :(( ...Maybe they getting the "legal issues" cleared up :eek:

What's going on with WEWS-DT's OTA transmission. WEWS used to be one of the strongest stations I received. In the last few weeks I have only intermittantly be able to receive it. Is anyone else having problems?

I watched a recording of "In Justice" on my DVR from Friday (Adelphia). It looked pretty bad, sound break ups and pq was not the best. Looked like there was some kind of problem to me.

I'll probably look at Desperate Housewives tonight so I'll see if it was still a problem later.

You should connect the antenna to the antenna input on the Dish HD receiver. Since you subscribe to locals, you should get the guide data for the HD channels via satellite, but the actual HD signals will come in via the antenna (since Dish does not have HD locals via satellite at this time).

BTW, I assume that you have an HD Receiver from Dish Network. A standard Dish receiver will not receive any HD channels (satellite or OTA). I only point this out because you do not indicate what Dish receiver you are using.

Disclaimer: I have DirecTV, not Dish, but believe it works the same way.

EDIT: If Dish is like DirecTV, you should see the OTA HD channels integrated with the satellite channels (i.e., same Guide, no need to change inputs, etc.)



Unless your signals are marginal, you should be able to split the signal and run it to your computer. I split my OTA signal 3 ways with no problems. YMMV.

Hope this helps.

Thanks Flatiron for the reply. That clears things up a bit!

Still off the air for me :(( ...Maybe they getting the "legal issues" cleared up :eek:

Today they're back with 4 subchannels, only now there are color bars on 50.1.

What's going on with WEWS-DT's OTA transmission. WEWS used to be one of the strongest stations I received. In the last few weeks I have only intermittantly be able to receive it. Is anyone else having problems?

Same here today - WEWS only 70-75% (good enough for a solid lock, though). Any other time they would be 100%. They are normally my strongest signal here.

I just got off the phone with someone at WKYC who actually returned my voice mail concerning the fact that Surface hasn't been in HD the last couple of weeks. He's blaming it on a transmitter problem saying he needs to receive the part from NBC in New York....however I told him that's odd because Las Vegas and other shows following Surface were fine.

He said he would take a look tonight, hopefully it will be in HD. If not he will look into it further. He did seem concerned that there was a problem with the HD transmission and apologized, but it seemed his answer was a bit stange to me.

I mentioned the AVS forum and told him to feel free to drop a comment, as other engineers from other stations have from time to time.

Same here today - WEWS only 70-75% (good enough for a solid lock, though). Any other time they would be 100%. They are normally my strongest signal here.

Tonight, I had the HD tuner going and WEWS was much weaker than it normally is here. With a properly aimed indoor antenna, it usually blows the doors off the signal meter...but tonight on my Fusion5HDTV USB unit, WEWS-DT was only at about 65-70%.

I had no problem getting a solid lock, either, even when it dropped to 62% once or twice...but there is clearly a problem with WEWS-DT. Can anyone find out? I've written them E-Mail before, but they apparently ignore those.

WJW is also weak.They lost one of their transmitters. I am also receving a low signal strength on WEWS.36-50 and signal is still there. What does their engineers say?

Just spoke with engineering at WEWS. One side of their transmitter is down that is why signal strength is low. Good news, they have received their dolby digital decoding equipment from ABC and it should be up and running soon. That leaves only WOIO without it

I noticed WEWS was weaker than usual as well this past weekend. During the NFL Playoffs, I would get macroblokcing and a sound dropouts now and again.

I hope they get it resolved before the Superbowl, (ABC has the Superbowl, don't they?)

I hope they get it resolved before the Superbowl, (ABC has the Superbowl, don't they?)

Indeed, they do...and it's ABC's last NFL game, as MNF moves to ESPN, and NBC joins up for Sunday nights next season.

More sports news... a popular local media blog spotted an item in the Pittsburgh newspaper, of all places, that says 6 Cavs games are going to be in HDTV the remainder of this NBA season:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2006/01/breaking-news-cavaliers-next-hdtv.html

I wish I could sign up for jsut ESPN and whatever channel most of the Indians games will be on. We don't have cable or Satellite and we don't really watch much TV...but not haveing Monday Night Football isn't going to be cool.

Indeed, they do...and it's ABC's last NFL game, as MNF moves to ESPN, and NBC joins up for Sunday nights next season.

More sports news... a popular local media blog spotted an item in the Pittsburgh newspaper, of all places, that says 6 Cavs games are going to be in HDTV the remainder of this NBA season:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2006/01/breaking-news-cavaliers-next-hdtv.html

Is it possible that these would be on WUAB? This would be cool, although not likely with Raycom owning the station.

Is it possible that these would be on WUAB? This would be cool, although not likely with Raycom owning the station.

They're FSN Ohio games, so if they do show up in HD here, they'd have to be on FSN Ohio. Now, of course, there's no FSN Ohio HD, so the blog post is probably a good guess...that they'd run on InHD or InHD2, which are basically set up to handle local sports HD broadcasts to preempt other programming.

Hey guys! good humpday afternoon too you! I am hoping that tiffany or someone in the know from time warner northeast ohio is on here....There are reports and solid reports over at satguys in the time warner forum that ESPN2HD has a test channel up on time warner's system, and they are working on a contract now, and that also National Geographic will be up, as I am guessing they will have a contract already worked out!

Also as a side note if someone is interested in this (Free plug for time warner here so remember me Tiffany!) if you are wanting to do what I am doing, and it may be permanent, but with all the hoopla over Mpeg4 from both sat companies I am going to give them some time to figure out what they are doing ( and I am glad I am-read on) I called time warner and for 99 a month I am getting a HD-Dvr, another Digital box ( I upgraded for another 4.99) HBo, HBO on demand, Digital cable, Road runner with aol, and also Their phone service, all that for 99 for 18 months, which I am very happy about! I have also added the HD tier for another 7 dollars, but with that all I am adding is INhd, INhd2, ESPNHD, HDnet, HDnetmovie, as locals are already for free with digital cable! Also National Geographic and Discovery Hd channels are free with a HD box, and of course ESPN2HD will be added without a raise in fees! (okay me working for time warner is over now) I think this is a great deal, and I look forward to them going ahead with Switch Video broadcasting (does anyone know when they are starting here?) and also the take over of adelphia! I hope you guys enjoy time warner! I cant wait to get my HD DVR tommorow! I am pumped!

Just spoke with engineering at WEWS. One side of their transmitter is down that is why signal strength is low. Good news, they have received their dolby digital decoding equipment from ABC and it should be up and running soon. That leaves only WOIO without it
"Soon?" Super Bowl XL soon or Super Bowl XLI soon? ;)

More sports news... a popular local media blog spotted an item in the Pittsburgh newspaper, of all places, that says 6 Cavs games are going to be in HDTV the remainder of this NBA season:Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't the Cavs v Bucks game in HD on WUAB-DT? I know the screen was atleast broadcasted widescreen.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't the Cavs v Bucks game in HD on WUAB-DT? I know the screen was atleast broadcasted widescreen.

WUAB-DT defaults to upconverted SD widescreen on all local programs, as does WOIO-DT. I'm 99% sure it wasn't in HD.

The item mentioned above only deals with FSN anyway.

Anyone else getting thin green lines on top of WJW-DT's picture?

Upconverted SD material only. It doesn't show up on FOX 8 News in HD.

Inundated:
Mine is fine with 8 SD or HD.

JJK

Inundated:
Mine is fine with 8 SD or HD.

JJK

Did you check when they were running upconverted SD on the DTV signal? I'm getting the lines right now on "Seinfeld" (and in commercials!).

I'm watching via Adelphia 708. I'll check my DTV tuner in a bit...

Nope, I'm not going crazy. It's on the OTA DTV signal as well on my Fusion5HDTV USB tuner. And just to prove I'm not seeing things, here's a screen capture from the end of "Seinfeld":

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f253/Inundated/wjwdtproblem.jpg

The problem is only on locally upconverted SD content. They just went to "That 70's Show" from the network at 8, which is not in HD, but looks fine. You won't see the problem again until a local commercial break.

Nope, I'm not going crazy. It's on the OTA DTV signal as well on my Fusion5HDTV USB tuner. And just to prove I'm not seeing things, here's a screen capture from the end of "Seinfeld":

The problem is only on locally upconverted SD content. They just went to "That 70's Show" from the network at 8, which is not in HD, but looks fine. You won't see the problem again until a local commercial break.

I'm not seeing anything like that on either the Fusion 5 or DiSH 921 (both OTA). My picture looks normal.

I'm not seeing anything like that on either the Fusion 5 or DiSH 921 (both OTA). My picture looks normal.

OK, one more time, with feeling...

1) Are you watching the DT signal (WJW-DT)?
2) Are you watching during local commercial breaks? You won't see it in FOX network programming. You also won't see it during WJW's own HD feed of the newscast. It's only the upconverted SD WJW produces itself.

I'm beginning to think I'm crazy or something, even though I have a screen capture to prove it. :D Look! Look up there! :D

(I'm not by my HD stuff right now, so it could be fixed by now.)

It CAN'T be just me. The problem appear(ed) on both Adelphia cable, downconverted to 480i by my SA8000HD cable box, and on my Fusion unit OTA (720p on the laptop screen). Neither of the two sources are related at all.

OK, one more time, with feeling...

1) Are you watching the DT signal (WJW-DT)?
2) Are you watching during local commercial breaks? You won't see it in FOX network programming. You also won't see it during WJW's own HD feed of the newscast. It's only the upconverted SD WJW produces itself.

I'm beginning to think I'm crazy or something, even though I have a screen capture to prove it. :D Look! Look up there! :D

(I'm not by my HD stuff right now, so it could be fixed by now.)

It CAN'T be just me. The problem appear(ed) on both Adelphia cable, downconverted to 480i by my SA8000HD cable box, and on my Fusion unit OTA (720p on the laptop screen). Neither of the two sources are related at all.

I saw some of the green stripes last night, just as you mentioned. I spoke too soon. I saw the stripes on the three tuners I own, FusionHDTV5, DiSH 921 and Accurian HDTV receivers.

I'm getting the stripes on WJW-DT also. I have a Dish 921 hooked to an analog Sony Trinitron via S-Video. At first I thought that a commercial was made to look like it was on old film, as this artifact appears like scratches on film. But when 3 commercials in a row had the same artifact I got suspicious. Thaks to all for reporting this issue. It's good to know (for once) it's not just a 921 issue. (BTW: I also checked analog ch 8 to see if the scratches appeared there - they did not)

By the way, for those of you who have a 921, in addition to these scratches do you also get pulsing chroma on WOIO-DT? It's most noticable when there is a lot of red or other colors that use red (orange or even the blue-green "Capital One" logo). Like the scratches on WJW's local commercials, this may be limited to the downconverted analog output. Fortunately this artifact does not record, delaying WOIO by 3 seconds gets rid of the pulsing. I only see it in real time. (a thought: I'll have to try delaying WJW-DT to see if the scratches go away just like the pulsing chroma does on WOIO - since both issues appear to be limited to 480i downconverted outputs)

One last observation: On WEWS I've noticed that they stopped using that lousy 15X9 stretch (yea!). I can also confirm that WEWS is still on low power. I get 70% and I'm only a little over 1 mile from the transmitter.

I wish all the local stations would get together and have one standard for 4X3 content on the digital feeds. A standard is needed once the transition is over for all those viewers using converter boxes. right now I'm constantlhy changing my view form letterbox (for true 16X9 HD content), stretch (for 4X3 content that was stretched by the broadcaster, I want to view that content in 4X3) and Zoom (for 4X3 content that was left in 4X3 by the broadcaster).

As I saw in their website, for abc HD, fox HD ..... etc direct tv uses off air antenna.
Right?

Then I guess the signal would not as good as Adelphia cable.

My RCA indoor amlifying antenna is not so good. Please give me any advice
for HD beginner. I live in Shaker HTS.

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If you want antenna advice, call Jim West at Cleveland Antenna at 440.237.6888 His son will come out and get locals for you. They are graet and others on this forum have used them,

I'm sure he does a great job, but there are other resources that don't cost anything. Now I'm not an OTA person but I've seen many recommend www.antenna.org as a great place to start for your HD needs.

Guys, if I'm incorrect on that website please correct me.

Very True, but if you do not feel like screwing around with the antenna, Cleveland Antenna is an easy way to go. No, I do not get anything for recommending them. I just want to help out people who have problems.

As I saw in their website, for abc HD, fox HD ..... etc direct tv uses off air antenna.
Right?

Then I guess the signal would not as good as Adelphia cable.

My RCA indoor amlifying antenna is not so good. Please give me any advice
for HD beginner. I live in Shaker HTS.

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Adelphia gets the local networks the same way an HD satellite receiver would - from off-air antennas. In the future that will change (as far as satellite goes) however don't knock off air reception. Unless you live too far away or in a valley, you should be able to get a great picture off air! Remember with digital, you either get a perfect picture or garbage. There is no in-between as there was with analog recetion. Cable has no real advantage unless they get the local stations via a direct connection with the TV stations. Perhaps COX Cable has that today, since that system's lines pass along the antenna farm (in fact I have seen cables run directly to the transmitter buildings for WJW & WKYC). I'm not saying it's a for-sure thing, however why else would COX run a cable to the towers (after all there are no other customers along the roadways leading the the tower shacks).

If you can receive a lockable signal, OTA beats cable and satellite for locals. Satellite is great for the fringe areas, as the quality of picture is equal everywhere within the footprint of the satellite signal. Analog cable in the fringe areas usually suck, but the trade off is multiple channels of the same networks (great for football fans) i.e. in Rock Creek you get both Cleveland and Erie stations (and if you put up an off-air antenna you can also get Youngstown probably with better PQ than cable's reception of Cleve. & Erie). But the PQ is only as good as the analog signals get at that distance. I'm not sure if any digital signals reach that far yet. At least with satellite you get a decent SD picture. The satellite companies get their signals either direct from the stations or via OTA antennas (the smaller stations use OTA and I could see the difference on WB 55 and WNEO for the short time I had E*'s Cleveland LIL's).

Haven't watched 8 SD that much but it is clean today and I have not noticed any green lines. My video editing friends suggest it is possibly a codec problem.

JJK

Haven't watched 8 SD that much but it is clean today and I have not noticed any green lines. My video editing friends suggest it is possibly a codec problem.


At least others have now reported seeing it. I thought I was getting secret messages or something :D When I saw it on both my cable setup (downconverted to 480i) and my Fusion USB tuner (true HD on my laptop), I knew something was going on.

It only happened on the DT signal, not on analog WJW/8, and only when they were running upconverted SD content locally. I kept saying that, but people kept tuning to the station during other times... I'm not in the market right now, so I don't know if it's been fixed or not.

I sent a note to WJW through their website. I have no idea if they got it, or if they ever respond, or if they cared. I've sent stuff that way before, and it got to the intended destination, so I thought I'd give it another shot.

Adelphia gets the local networks the same way an HD satellite receiver would - from off-air antennas.

I don't think they can pass the signal straight through. OTA is 8VSB, and Cable is QAM. Besides the possible losses during conversion, I believe the Cable company has the option of allocating less bandwith to the channel, or applying additional compression to the signal.

I have no idea exactly what happens when a Cable company rebroadcasts an OTA HD signal. I can say that for Adelphia in Cleveland, I can see the difference between OTA and Cable, and I prefer OTA. YMMV.

A little help here please. Just installed my channel master deep fringe antenna. Tried using the CM 7777 amp but received NO reception from any channels. I disconnected the amp and am getting a pretty good signal now. Do these amps work, or do I just have a defective amp? Also Tthe only digital channel I cannot receive is channel 3. The anaolg channel is very weak also. I have a rotar and that does not help either. Any suggestions? I live about 7 miles south of downtown Akron in Uniontown. Thanks.
Bob

A little help here please. Just installed my channel master deep fringe antenna. Tried using the CM 7777 amp but received NO reception from any channels. I disconnected the amp and am getting a pretty good signal now. Do these amps work, or do I just have a defective amp? Also Tthe only digital channel I cannot receive is channel 3. The anaolg channel is very weak also. I have a rotar and that does not help either. Any suggestions? I live about 7 miles south of downtown Akron in Uniontown. Thanks.
Bob

Bob i am in mogadore, right next to you, I get all digital channels with a fairly good reading....with that being said though its different for everybody, in this area channel 3 is the hardest to get, that and woio! is your antenna outside or in?

Bullsquid:
I have tried several amps with poor results. Some worked, some didn't. The ones that worked had a poorer signal than the OTA HD tuner (LG 3510a). My antenna lead in is about 50 ft. and I also have the MY-HD-120 HDTV tuner card which has about the same noise figure as the LG.

JJK

A little help here please. Just installed my channel master deep fringe antenna. Tried using the CM 7777 amp but received NO reception from any channels. I disconnected the amp and am getting a pretty good signal now. Do these amps work, or do I just have a defective amp? Also Tthe only digital channel I cannot receive is channel 3. The anaolg channel is very weak also. I have a rotar and that does not help either. Any suggestions? I live about 7 miles south of downtown Akron in Uniontown. Thanks.
Bob

There may be two potential problems that common to mind. If multipath is the problem causing proper reception, an amp may make the multipath problem worse and cause even worse reception. If the OTA signal is strong, the amp may overload the tuner and again cause worse reception. I have had both of these problems in my OTA reception adventures.

Also remember that WKYC-DT in a low frequency VHF RF channel and you need an antenna designed to receive VHF-low frequencies.

Most amplifiers were designed for analog signals, using them for digital usually only makes the matter worse. WKYC is on the worst frequency for digital (at least until the transition is over). There are analog channel 2's in both Pittsburg and Detroit (and additional interference from more distant channel 2's that will skip in from time to time). WKYC has to keep their power low to protect the analog stations.

BTW: WKYC has asked to be relocated to ch 17 once the transition is over (and WDLI vacates 17 for 39). If this is approved you shoud get WKYC-DT as well as you would get WEWS-DT which is on 15.

There is one other issue regarding WKYC. You say that the analoc ch 3 is weak too. that is not a good sign. There may be a terrestrial obstruction between Uniontown and the WKYC tower, which is on Broadview Rd at the northeastern edge of the antenna farm. I used to live in Seven Hills which is literally across Broadview Rd. from the WKYC tower. I had a terrible time getting WVPX and WEAO. The reason for this is Richfield, which is 200' higher than where I was, casting a shadow on the Akron area signals. I had no trouble getting WOAC (whoopie, a shopping channel) because their transmitter is actually in the Kent - Portage County area. I have since moved 2 miles southwest and now get gangbuster reception of WVPX and WEAO, so I'm out of the "Richfield shadow".

It's possible, due to WKYC's tower location that higher terrain is obstructing their signal to Uniontown. The rest of the Cleveland towers are just tenths of a mile west of WKYC, but that difference may take them out of the shadow. When I was in Seven Hills I could get a half decent picture on WVPX by moving my antenna to a different location - far from perfect but much better than the picture I was getting from my chimney-mounted antenna. As for WEAO I actually got a better picture from WNEO in Salem/Alliance!

As always YMMV, so try moving your antenna to a different location - a few feet one way or the other may make a big difference.

I am STILL having signal strenght problems with WEWS, it fluctuates from 0 to 40 and everywhere in between. It's hard to track it happens do fast. How do I contact someone at WEWS?. Their website is all about news and doesn't even mention the fact that they are a TELEVISION station let alone any indication of their HD broadcast capabilities. It'd be nice to at least know that they are aware of the problems in som FAQ ore something. The Scripts Howard site doesn't even list a GM for WEWS so I don't know who to call or e-mail.
The Superbowl is coming up soon. This proble need to be corrected so the quality can return to Pre Jan 1 service. MNF loooked great most of the season.
Just spoke with engineering at WEWS. One side of their transmitter is down that is why signal strength is low. Good news, they have received their dolby digital decoding equipment from ABC and it should be up and running soon. That leaves only WOIO without it

Eric,
What are you using for an antenna to receive WEWS? Their transmitter is running at half-power. I'm about 1 mile from the transmitter and I'm only getting 70% signal using an indoor antenna. From Twinsburg you would probably need a good highly directional outdoor antena precisely aimed at the tower, at least until they fix the transmitter problem.

WEWS' office phone number is 216-431-5555. Call 'em during the week and ask for either engineering or the GM's office. It sounds like they're aware of the problem, tho.

I'm in northwest Akron (old Northampton Twp. area that was annexed to Akron before the Falls got to it) and I can still get WEWS with my indoor antenna pointed out the second floor loft window towards Parma. It's about 70%-ish, where it's normally full signal. It locks pretty much all the time even now.

I haven't had too many problems with WEWS since August when I got my DirecTVHR10-250. It's only been the past few weeks that the signal has gone to crap. I've got a medium multidirectional antenna on the chimney that works fine for almost all channels. I cannot get WVIZ, but I get a beautiful signal from WNEO in Akron. I also cannot get WJW, but I get FOX from DirecTV because WJW is O&O.

Eric,
What are you using for an antenna to receive WEWS? Their transmitter is running at half-power. I'm about 1 mile from the transmitter and I'm only getting 70% signal using an indoor antenna. From Twinsburg you would probably need a good highly directional outdoor antena precisely aimed at the tower, at least until they fix the transmitter problem.

Stuart628,
My antenna is mounted outside about 9 feet above my 1.5 story house. I am using the CM 3020 deep fringe antenna. I wonder, is this antenna able to pick up low frequency channels? We did have a pretty hard rain last night when I was trying my new OTA system. All other digital channels came in very strong with the exception of WKYC. Thanks for all the input from everyone!!
Bob

Stuart628,
My antenna is mounted outside about 9 feet above my 1.5 story house. I am using the CM 3020 deep fringe antenna. I wonder, is this antenna able to pick up low frequency channels? We did have a pretty hard rain last night when I was trying my new OTA system. All other digital channels came in very strong with the exception of WKYC. Thanks for all the input from everyone!!
Bob

That antenna should be good for about 100 miles on the VHF, if your analog signal is weak, then I would tend to agree with Micheal, there is def. something causing you interference between you and the tower......someone else might want to chime in though, but like I said I got WKYC and I am right next to you, I am on martin road here in its actually suffield, so I wouldnt see why you are having a problem, unless its something DIrectly in line with you and that tower./

Looks like WOIO/WUAB, as well as WEWS, have all done away with the stretch on their local SD upconvert, which IMHO looks much better. WOIO's SD PQ also seems to be a little better (although their local news still looks terrible) - their previous stretched upconvert was practically unwatchable. Hope this lasts.

That leaves only WKYC with a stretch.

I cannot get the Pitts/Indy game OTA from WOIO....are they down?

I just finished watching it. No problems via Adelphia. Good game. Pittsburgh deserved the win. It shouldn't have been as close as it was, that reverse on the interception call was a bad call.

Looks like WOIO/WUAB, as well as WEWS, have all done away with the stretch on their local SD upconvert, which IMHO looks much better. WOIO's SD PQ also seems to be a little better (although their local news still looks terrible) - their previous stretched upconvert was practically unwatchable. Hope this lasts.

That leaves only WKYC with a stretch.


Yea the Cavs game last night still looked horrible but at least it wasnt stretched.

At least others have now reported seeing it. I thought I was getting secret messages or something :D When I saw it on both my cable setup (downconverted to 480i) and my Fusion USB tuner (true HD on my laptop), I knew something was going on.

It only happened on the DT signal, not on analog WJW/8, and only when they were running upconverted SD content locally. I kept saying that, but people kept tuning to the station during other times... I'm not in the market right now, so I don't know if it's been fixed or not.

I sent a note to WJW through their website. I have no idea if they got it, or if they ever respond, or if they cared. I've sent stuff that way before, and it got to the intended destination, so I thought I'd give it another shot.

Turns out the noise was being generated by a 480i to 720p upconverter used for syndicated programming and commercials.

Well it looks like I am going to have to keep my subcription to my Dishnetwork locals. All because I cannot receive WKYC via OTA. I receive all the othe DT channls very well. That is the station I watch the most! My CM 7777 preamp was useless for my set-up. Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve WKYC reception without having to move my antenna all over my roof to find the sweet spot? Perhaps a secondary antenna? I now have the CM 3020 with a rotar installed. Any sugestions would be grateful. Thanks.

That's really goofy because channel 3 digital is channel 2 VHF and it should be booming in.

JJK

Well it looks like I am going to have to keep my subcription to my Dishnetwork locals. All because I cannot receive WKYC via OTA. I receive all the othe DT channls very well. That is the station I watch the most! My CM 7777 preamp was useless for my set-up. Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve WKYC reception without having to move my antenna all over my roof to find the sweet spot? Perhaps a secondary antenna? I now have the CM 3020 with a rotar installed. Any sugestions would be grateful. Thanks.

Again, my recommendation is to call a professional installer. By the time you screw around buying different equipment and moving things around, a pro can fix it. I know that it will cost some money,but I feel that it would be worth it. Your problem can be solved.
i have mentioned a company in earlier posts,call it

How does analog channel 3 come in? Its on the same tower, just a different antenna. You may have a shorted/kinked cable somewhere in your system which could affect VHF channels 2/3 but not UHF.

Turns out the noise was being generated by a 480i to 720p upconverter used for syndicated programming and commercials.

Glad you found and fixed it! I was a little antsy about it here because people kept saying they didn't see it, when it turned out (despite the fact I made it clear about 5 times before) that it only showed up during locally originated upconverts. :D

That's really goofy because channel 3 digital is channel 2 VHF and it should be booming in.

Yet another thing that's been posted here - sometimes I think I'm posting messages to myself. :D

As has been said many, many times both here and in other AVSForum threads, low-VHF channels are subject to much more electrical interference, and are much tougher for many people to pull in. WKYC-DT is on channel 2, as you correctly note above, and it's not that it doesn't have enough signal...it's the fact that electrical interference makes it a much tougher catch than the other local DT channels.

Theoretically, a high antenna aimed in the right direction within reasonable distance of the tower should make picking up even WKYC-DT easier than, say, an indoor antenna. But the same electrical noise that you see on the Channel 3 analog picture - which shows up as little "sparklies" - can cause you to be unable to get a lock on the DT picture on channel 2.

My advice - adjust that antenna so analog 3 has the best possible picture, with the fewest "sparklies", and go from there.

Looks like WOIO/WUAB, as well as WEWS, have all done away with the stretch on their local SD upconvert, which IMHO looks much better. WOIO's SD PQ also seems to be a little better (although their local news still looks terrible) - their previous stretched upconvert was practically unwatchable. Hope this lasts.

I wonder if there's a reason that both WOIO/WUAB and WEWS killed the stretch at roughly the same time? WEWS' "not quite full" 14:9ish stretch was particularly annoying.

As for WOIO/WUAB, as far as I know, they both have NO digital equipment in that basement at Reserve Square in downtown Cleveland. Well, no digital equipment besides the upconverter and the digital transmitter. The analog video looks crummy... the upconversion doesn't help. WKYC has its "digital broadcast center" (circa 2000 or so, I believe), so they don't have the same problem.

Well it looks like I am going to have to keep my subcription to my Dishnetwork locals. All because I cannot receive WKYC via OTA. I receive all the othe DT channls very well. That is the station I watch the most! My CM 7777 preamp was useless for my set-up. Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve WKYC reception without having to move my antenna all over my roof to find the sweet spot? Perhaps a secondary antenna? I now have the CM 3020 with a rotar installed. Any sugestions would be grateful. Thanks.

I'm just a little north of you off of Canton Road and I'm able to pick up channel 3-DT with no problem. I have a similar sized antenna also on a rotor and a preamp. This website will give you the exact compass heading to the tower so you will know you have it pointed in the right direction: http://antennaweb.org

Rarely do I have issues with 3DT. I'm over in Suffield; with an attenna in the 2nd floor attic. ONly WEWS has issues which we all know about.

I can tell you having been in the wireless world for years that U-Town has always been an issue for cell phone operators because of the terrian.

How does analog channel 3 come in? Its on the same tower, just a different antenna. You may have a shorted/kinked cable somewhere in your system which could affect VHF channels 2/3 but not UHF.

Channel 3 is weak but visible. It does have some kind of interference effecting it though. It is not the normal snow you see on a weak channel. Someone suggested maybe electrical interference. I do have my coaxle line resting on some live electrical wires in my basement. Could that be a cause? I am going to seperate the them and see if that helps.

Channel 3 is weak but visible. It does have some kind of interference effecting it though. It is not the normal snow you see on a weak channel. Someone suggested maybe electrical interference. I do have my coaxle line resting on some live electrical wires in my basement. Could that be a cause? I am going to seperate the them and see if that helps.

I'd do that pronto. I can't assure you that it's the cause, but it certainly can't be helping matters!

The interference you see is known as "sparklies", little tiny lines of interference all over a picture that would ordinarily be at least somewhat watchable. That's what's translating into your problems with the digital side of WKYC (DT 2). Clear those up as much as you can, and I'll bet you have a better shot at it.

Sorry about this request, it's a bit late. I just wanted to know if anyone else had the same issue I had. Two Thursdays ago (1/5), during "The Office" on Adelphia 703 (WKYC-HD), about halfway through the recording on my Adelphia DVR, the program went all black and no sound. I didn't know what happened. The weird thing is, the commercials came through just fine. (i.e. it was black, then a 2 minute commercial break including a Channel 3 News teaser, then back to black for the rest of the half hour. ) I was watching this on the DVR, but since this is the first and only time it has happened, I figured it was something with the station. Did anyone else have this problem?

Thanks for any help.

Sounds like they were having trouble with their HD. I get mine through Adelphia and I never watch live tv, but The Office isn't something I watch. the fact that everything in SD came through ok (commercials, promos) then I have to think they were having transmitting problems.

Channel 3 is weak but visible. It does have some kind of interference effecting it though. It is not the normal snow you see on a weak channel. Someone suggested maybe electrical interference. I do have my coaxle line resting on some live electrical wires in my basement. Could that be a cause? I am going to seperate the them and see if that helps.

I believe the digital transmitter is putting out less power and its antenna is lower on the tower than the analog station. If channel 3 analog is weak, you are probably SOL. Now its possible the interference you are seeing is coming from a computer or some computer-based system. This is very common at low VHF.

I do have my coaxle line resting on some live electrical wires in my basement. Could that be a cause? BINGO! Low band VHF will be affected by such a situation. I know coax is supposed to be sheilded, however the sheilding is no match for a live electrical line at the VHF LO frequencies. I'm willing to bet your analog reception of ch 5 is also affected, you just don't realize it because you are watching WEWS-DT on UHF 15.

I believe the digital transmitter is putting out less power and its antenna is lower on the tower than the analog station. If channel 3 analog is weak, you are probably SOL. Now its possible the interference you are seeing is coming from a computer or some computer-based system. This is very common at low VHF.
The power that WKYC-DT is putting out looks low on paper but I'm told that digital transmitters do not need as much power as their analog counterparts to achieve the same coverage. I looked up WKYC and found that the digital is transmitting at 8kw, with a tower height of 296.1 meters. The analog ch 3 is transmitting at 93.3kw with a tower height of 312 m. So analog is 16 meters higher that digital, with a big differece in power, but again the effective power is greatly different in digital.

I wouldn't put 296.1m in a "low tower" classifiacation, the only local broadcaster with a truely "low tower" is WVIZ at 99' and 1 kw.

BINGO! Low band VHF will be affected by such a situation. I know coax is supposed to be sheilded, however the sheilding is no match for a live electrical line at the VHF LO frequencies. I'm willing to bet your analog reception of ch 5 is also affected, you just don't realize it because you are watching WEWS-DT on UHF 15.
Well, I removed the coaxal from the electrical wires and that did not seem to help. Looks like I am getting an outside inerference from somewhere. I am only getting a 10% reading on WKYC digital and no picture. As stated in an ealrier post of mine, I tried using the CM7777 pre-amp and no picture from any channels. I guess it amplified the signals to much? Is`nt there an anntuator(SP)? that I can install to bring the signal down a bit? I get all of the local digitals except WKKC. I really hate to call a TV man in and pay him to just receive that one channel! Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. This is great forum!!

Is it possible there's an electric motor running that might be causing the interference? We lose WKYC for a few seconds everytime the refrigerator turns on(and off) and also when the furnace turns on. Ch 3 is also very sensitive to the vacuum cleaner and disappears while it's running and pops back in the second the vacuum shuts off.

Well, we need more info---What kind of lead-in? How long? Did you install the connectors? Do you have the correct transformer matching device at the antenna? Are there any splitters installed? Are there any distribution devices installed? Is your lead-in connected to the correct antenna input jack? Is there a VCR involved? What channel is your VCR set too if you have one? Do you have Tivo? Do you have any isolation devices installed in your lead-in? Ground breakers? How does analog channel 3 come in? Do you have anything else hooked to the lead-in---double terminated? Any "kinks" or "knot pulls" when installing the lead-in? How old is the lead-in? Is the antenna grounded according to instructions? Are all of the antenna elements snapped into the proper position? Is the antenna pointed in the proper direction---small end toward the tv station? How old is the antenna? Are the lead-in connections on the anrtenna corroded? Are your HD components ground-looping? (Some HD tuners will do this) (rolling picture, unstable, lines, etc.)

JJK

Sorry about this request, it's a bit late. I just wanted to know if anyone else had the same issue I had. Two Thursdays ago (1/5), during "The Office" on Adelphia 703 (WKYC-HD), about halfway through the recording on my Adelphia DVR, the program went all black and no sound. I didn't know what happened. The weird thing is, the commercials came through just fine. (i.e. it was black, then a 2 minute commercial break including a Channel 3 News teaser, then back to black for the rest of the half hour. )
I experienced the exact same thing. OTA feed into an HD Tivo. I watched it a few days late & the 2nd half of the show was exactly how you experienced it - black except for the commercials.

I'd checked here, saw no note of it & figured since it was a few days past, it might have been my setup (or no one else was watching the Office in HD). Glad to hear it was WKYC's issue - although it is annoying to watch half a show & have it go dark due to a technical problem.

I'm using my LG LST-4200A QAM receiver to grab the clear HD TV stations off of Time Warner and have noticed some audio dropout issues, in particular while watching 24 on Fox (104-3) Monday night, I was getting 2 second drops about every 2-3 minutes.

The picture didn't get disrupted. My HK receiver didn't display anything on the OSD to indicate a significant break in the digital audio stream. It just seemed to have 'muted' itself and then back in business.

Does anyone using a QAM tuner noticed the same thing? I hope it isn't a problem with my LG. :confused:

Ron

I'm using my LG LST-4200A QAM receiver to grab the clear HD TV stations off of Time Warner and have noticed some audio dropout issues, in particular while watching 24 on Fox (104-3) Monday night, I was getting 2 second drops about every 2-3 minutes.

The picture didn't get disrupted. My HK receiver didn't display anything on the OSD to indicate a significant break in the digital audio stream. It just seemed to have 'muted' itself and then back in business.

Does anyone using a QAM tuner noticed the same thing? I hope it isn't a problem with my LG. :confused:

Ron

Don't use a QAM tuner but I recorded all 4 hours in glorious HD Dolby 5.1 on my SA 8300 via Adelphia. and it was good. There may have been a couple of sound break ups, nothing significant that I can recall. I just remember that I really enjoyed it.

There's something about Fox's 5.1 audio that has never been quite right, IMHO. My SA8000HD (on WOW cable) will get occasional audio dropouts during Fox's live football games. It used to be REALLY bad last season, but seems better this season.

Fox drives me crazy all the time. I get it OTA and it's the only local that I don't get in perfectly. It seems to come in reasonably strong (75%), but it never holds. The funny thing is that I got it without dropouts on Saturday and most of Sunday (halfway through the second hour of 24!). Then it went back to normal and was basically unwatchable. It's definitely frustrating.

Another possible problem with the Adelphia sale:

Media groups unite to oppose Adelphia deal (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/breaking_news/13654489.htm)

Another possible problem with the Adelphia sale:

Media groups unite to oppose Adelphia deal (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/breaking_news/13654489.htm)

You know I don't want to put the whammy on things but truthfully things on Adelphia have been pretty damn good over the past 6 months. Oh they still have a bunch of nonsense stations and such, but the service has actually been pretty good.

Maybe it won't be such a bad idea if the sale doesn't go through?

Well, we need more info---What kind of lead-in? How long? Did you install the connectors? Do you have the correct transformer matching device at the antenna? Are there any splitters installed? Are there any distribution devices installed? Is your lead-in connected to the correct antenna input jack? Is there a VCR involved? What channel is your VCR set too if you have one? Do you have Tivo? Do you have any isolation devices installed in your lead-in? Ground breakers? How does analog channel 3 come in? Do you have anything else hooked to the lead-in---double terminated? Any "kinks" or "knot pulls" when installing the lead-in? How old is the lead-in? Is the antenna grounded according to instructions? Are all of the antenna elements snapped into the proper position? Is the antenna pointed in the proper direction---small end toward the tv station? How old is the antenna? Are the lead-in connections on the anrtenna corroded? Are your HD components ground-looping? (Some HD tuners will do this) (rolling picture, unstable, lines, etc.)

JJK
OK. I am using a coaxal lead and it is about 70' long. I used the crimp syle connecters. I have the snap on types but need to get the correct tool to install them. there are no distribution devices in the line. No splitters, and it is connected directly to the TV. No devices installed on the lead cable. I had the CM 7777 Pre-amp installed but no reception at all! Now I diconnected the pre-amp and am getting all stations in the local area except channel 3 digital. Channel 3 analog is very weak and seems to come in and out at times. This happens more so when I activate my rotor. There are no kinks or loops in the line. Antenna is grounded properly, using a #6 copper wire. All antenna elements are in position. Antenna is facing the correct way for Cleveland stations. The antenna is a CM 3020 and is new. All connections are new. My TV is a 42" Hitachi with a HD tuner built in. I just want to know why the pre-amp is useless for my application? Solid signal suggested this set-up for my viewing area. I may try the amp again and re-check my connections when the weather breaks. All is great except for channel 3. I also see little sparkles on the screen when veiwing channel 3.

How does analog channel 3 come in? Its on the same tower, just a different antenna. You may have a shorted/kinked cable somewhere in your system which could affect VHF channels 2/3 but not UHF.
I just tried WKYC tonight and low and behold analog 3 was very strong with no visible interference!! I then tried the digital channels and what do ya know. All coming in very well about 56%. I did not know there is a 3.2. Good to local weather because my dish does not offer this!! I did absolutely nothing to my system today and now everything is great in Uniontown!! The only thing I can think of is due to the high winds today, I may have a bad connection at the antenna that some how righted itself due to the winds. I am going to check it out once the roof melts to see if there is a bad connection. I am just keeping fingers crossed on this one. Thanks again for the suggestions and tips from everyone.

I am a noob at OTA HD so I need advice. Is anyone in cleveland (or Chagrin Falls) using this Terk antenna? I used antennaweb.org to find what is right for me and I need a code RED UHF/VHF antenna. Will this work. I really want to have 3, 5, 8, 19, and 43 in HD! here's the link.

http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=14122&langId=-1

You know I don't want to put the whammy on things but truthfully things on Adelphia have been pretty damn good over the past 6 months. Oh they still have a bunch of nonsense stations and such, but the service has actually been pretty good.

Maybe it won't be such a bad idea if the sale doesn't go through?

Well, the Indians contract might be held up, for one thing. I also wonder what kind of technical updates are being postponed...

HI guys! I just got my ota HD receiver today- I got an old voom receiver off ebay and it works great! But- I found out I have a problem- I went to turn my antenna and the controller didn't sound quite right and the antenna didn't move... This was working just fine last week when I tested it. I'd say it's about 8 yrs old and hasn't been used in several years. Anyway I climbed up the antenna tower to see if the rotor was trying to do anything and I could hear it humming slightly but it wouldn't move. I then came back inside and disconnected the wires from the controller and when I turn the knob the indicator doesn't even move (should that still move even when it's not connected to the rotor motor?) Does this sound to you guys like a problem with the controller (it's a manual archerotor controller) or the rotor motor itself? I really hope it's the controller cause I don't know how in the world I could change the rotor- I was scared to death up there (35 or so feet up).

I'm in Huron and it just so happens that the antenna was pointed somewhere in the general direction of cleveland- I have channel 8 coming in with a 98 signal strength and 43 is about the same. I am also getting channel 5 pretty well but I cannot get 3 or 19. I'm sure the antenna isn't aimed perfectly at the moment, but do you guys think if I can fix the rotor problem I'll be able to pick up 3 & 19 out here in Huron?

Thanks (and sorry for the long winded post!)

Lab Rat

Bullsquid:
I have tried several amps with the same problem with adjustable gains and I believe it may be inherent with the design. I had three different amps, two worked but provided a weaker signal than my LG-3510A tuner hooked direct to the antenna. So I tossed all three amps which were over 100 bucks each. The trick here is the front end noise figure rating of the amps. Then again the amps might be notoriously junk. My antenna does not rotate so I do have problems with PBS and the channel 17 stuff. I just keep it pointed toward Cleveland. A 70 ft. lead-in is starting to creep into some major losses at 900 megs but the channel 3 thing should not be affected by this. Sometimes a ground shield not positioned perfectly around the connector will create dips in the bandpass of the cable which can be observed with a sweep generator and sufficient padding in the setup. The big guy's with money try to have a signal strength 20 db over what they need then they install a 20 db pad in the front end to reduce noise, interference, VSWR to almost nothing, and allow for impedance differences. With a fat input signal you can see red shifts in the picture when removing/installing the pad. If you have money to burn, try the 1/2" styroflex. The loss at 1000megs is .3 db and they use special connectors that will break the bank.

JJK

I took someone's advice and did contact Cleveland Antenna Service recently, within two weeks i had them come out, see what i needed and install the correct items. I'm not an antennna wiz, but the old Radio Shack antenna the previous owner had was 15 years old. I live east of Bainbridge (Geauga County) and wanted to pick up Cleveland the Youngstown stations. Very happy with the results. Only problem i have is during the day, my wife's soap opera;s fade on 5.1 otherwise everything else looks great. But since someone stated that 5.1 might be having transmitter problems, that would explain it.

HI guys! I just got my ota HD receiver today- I got an old voom receiver off ebay and it works great! But- I found out I have a problem- I went to turn my antenna and the controller didn't sound quite right and the antenna didn't move... This was working just fine last week when I tested it. I'd say it's about 8 yrs old and hasn't been used in several years. Anyway I climbed up the antenna tower to see if the rotor was trying to do anything and I could hear it humming slightly but it wouldn't move. I then came back inside and disconnected the wires from the controller and when I turn the knob the indicator doesn't even move (should that still move even when it's not connected to the rotor motor?) Does this sound to you guys like a problem with the controller (it's a manual archerotor controller) or the rotor motor itself? I really hope it's the controller cause I don't know how in the world I could change the rotor- I was scared to death up there (35 or so feet up).

I'm in Huron and it just so happens that the antenna was pointed somewhere in the general direction of cleveland- I have channel 8 coming in with a 98 signal strength and 43 is about the same. I am also getting channel 5 pretty well but I cannot get 3 or 19. I'm sure the antenna isn't aimed perfectly at the moment, but do you guys think if I can fix the rotor problem I'll be able to pick up 3 & 19 out here in Huron?

Thanks (and sorry for the long winded post!)

Lab Rat
If you are getting a 98 on WJW you should be aimed just fine for Cleveland. The reason 3 & 19 are a no-go is because their digital signals are on VHF 2 & 10.
Is your antenna for both VHF & UHF?

Being in Huron you are probably too close to the analog ch 2 WJBK out of Detroit and the analog ch 10 out of London Ontario. Those 2 assignments made no sense at all. I always wondered what folkes in the fringe areas got on these two stations.

I took someone's advice and did contact Cleveland Antenna Service recently, within two weeks i had them come out, see what i needed and install the correct items. I'm not an antennna wiz, but the old Radio Shack antenna the previous owner had was 15 years old. I live east of Bainbridge (Geauga County) and wanted to pick up Cleveland the Youngstown stations. Very happy with the results. Only problem i have is during the day, my wife's soap opera;s fade on 5.1 otherwise everything else looks great. But since someone stated that 5.1 might be having transmitter problems, that would explain it.

I am that someone and am glad that you are happy with Cleveland Antenna. We are very lucky to have a quality company like that available to us. I am also not an antenna wiz and did not want to climb on the roof. I have had satllelite for over 20 years and have dealt with many fly by night outfits;Cleveland Antenna is not like that.

Thanks Michael! My antenna is like this one (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103087&cp=&pg=2&kw=antenna&parentPage=search) . when I go to the aim antenna section on the voom receiver i am getting just around 80 on 2 and 10 so I thought if I could get my antenna to move a little I may get them to lock in- I think i'm aimed just a hair too south as it is because I am getting weao out of akron just fine too... When I do a scan for locals it pauses a while on 2 & 10 but it won't lock them in (though it actually did detect woio early this morning, but it hasn't since) and I don't have a picture on either channel. :confused:

Thanks Michael! My antenna is like this one (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103087&cp=&pg=2&kw=antenna&parentPage=search) . when I go to the aim antenna section on the voom receiver i am getting just around 80 on 2 and 10 so I thought if I could get my antenna to move a little I may get them to lock in- I think i'm aimed just a hair too south as it is because I am getting weao out of akron just fine too... When I do a scan for locals it pauses a while on 2 & 10 but it won't lock them in (though it actually did detect woio early this morning, but it hasn't since) and I don't have a picture on either channel. :confused:

This antenna is definitely good for VHF - as Michael P says, WKYC is likely being trashed by the Detroit CH2. As for WOIO, they run only 3.5kw and are directional - most of their power goes south, I believe. That, plus any interference from the London, ON CH10

Any chance you can get WTOL (digital on CH17) and WNWO (digital on CH 49) from Toledo? This would give you CBS and NBC, but you would most likely need a rotor if you want to get the Cleveland stations as well.

EDIT:

WTOL-DT (Toledo CBS) coverage map: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DS601801.html

WNWO-DT (Toledo NBC) coverage map: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=TV56561.html

Looks like you are just inside the coverage areas for both stations.

FYI:

WKYC: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT599350.html

WOIO: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT428322.html

While it appears that you are just inside the coverage for both stations, these maps do not take into account interference from other stations on the same channel.

Hope this helps.

Read that article about the opposition to the Adelphia sale again. Half of the "groups" involved are direct competitors (DirecTV, Dish, RCN) or programmers trying to get on (CSTV).

The Adelphia sale *has* to happen. Now, it doesn't *have* to happen in the current form (TWC/Comcast), but the company is bankrupt and at some point, it'll either have to be sold or divvied up *somehow*.

As far as the Indians deal goes...I actually asked TWC's Bill Jasso about it, and he said they have no control/input over what Adelphia does before the planned acquisition. Or for that matter, what the Indians do. I haven't heard anything to suggest that Adelphia would somehow pick up the games before it would get merged into TWC, but there'll be a lot of upset Cleveland cable subscribers if they don't.

Since I subscribe to DISH, I'm also concerned about the Indians negotiations. One of my fears is that since there won't be 24 hour programming at first, Dish actually has to set aside channel space for the games, rather than devoting a regular channel. I intend to start emailing them on a regular basis to see if they are working on it. Since they plan on televising a number of pre-season games, this gives them about six weeks to get it done for the initial broadcasts.

Next Monday or Tuesday (1/23), WJW is hoping to install a replacement 3rd UHF tube in it's DTV transmitter. We've been on running on only two tubes for many weeks now, making only about 63% power. This third tube installed will allow us to make full power. If this increase of power is noticeable in some way at your location, we would be very much interested in hearing about it on this thread. I'll post again here when the installation is finished. Thanks all........

If you are getting a 98 on WJW you should be aimed just fine for Cleveland. The reason 3 & 19 are a no-go is because their digital signals are on VHF 2 & 10.

I've searched through this thread, and I didn't see the answer, so forgive me if I am asking an obvious question...

What is the chance that 3 & 19 will jump to UHF when analog goes dead?

WJW:
Your signal is coming in strong and steady here. About 3/4 on the strength scale whatever that means.

JJK

Since I subscribe to DISH, I'm also concerned about the Indians negotiations. One of my fears is that since there won't be 24 hour programming at first, Dish actually has to set aside channel space for the games, rather than devoting a regular channel. I intend to start emailing them on a regular basis to see if they are working on it. Since they plan on televising a number of pre-season games, this gives them about six weeks to get it done for the initial broadcasts.

I also subscribe to Dish and I am also concerned about Dish carrying the Indians. The big concern is that Fox Sports Ohio has indicated that they don't think they should give a discount to the satellite/cable providers even without the Indians because they have 24 hour programming and I am not sure Dish will pay for both the Indians and Fox Sports Ohio. My take is that I would rather have Dish carry the Indians station part time then keep Fox Sports Ohio. I am not the biggest basketball fan and the number of Cavaliers games on channel 43 and shown on national networks is enough for me. The lack of 24 hour programming for the Indians channel actually is not a problem for Dish because they are already carry games for their MLB package on a part time channel usage basis. It may actually help in terms of Dish bandwidth limitations although I would be great if this new Indians channel is in HD. I believe some if not all of the games on WKYC will be in HD.

Next Monday or Tuesday (1/23), WJW is hoping to install a replacement 3rd UHF tube in it's DTV transmitter. We've been on running on only two tubes for many weeks now, making only about 63% power. This third tube installed will allow us to make full power. If this increase of power is noticeable in some way at your location, we would be very much interested in hearing about it on this thread. I'll post again here when the installation is finished. Thanks all........
I am getting a 70% signal strength in Uniontown OH. I will update after your update!!

mike888 - I just happened to be looking this afternoon at a thread on the tivo community site that links to this document:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publ...A-05-2649A2.pdf

This supposedly shows "DTV Tentative Channel Designations for the First Round of DTV Channel Elections". WKYC (3) is missing from the list. It shows WOIO as staying on 10. Most surprising, it shows WJW-8 moving from 31 down to 8.

vhf is not going away in Cleveland.

mike888 - I just happened to be looking this afternoon at a thread on the tivo community site that links to this document:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publ...A-05-2649A2.pdf

This supposedly shows "DTV Tentative Channel Designations for the First Round of DTV Channel Elections". WKYC (3) is missing from the list. It shows WOIO as staying on 10. Most surprising, it shows WJW-8 moving from 31 down to 8.

vhf is not going away in Cleveland.

WKYC-DT is choosing either channel 17 or 32 in the 2nd round of DTV channel elections.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=591927

While we will have 2 stations on VHF, Channels 8 and 10, there will not be any in the most problematic VHF-lo band, once the DTV transition is complete. Thank goodness WKYC-DT is abandoning channel 2.

I can't believe WOIO wants to hang onto ch 10! Unless CFPL abandons ch 10 (not likely) it's absurd for WOIO to stay on that channel. CFPL used to come in like gangbusters when I lived in Euclid, and it was even stronger the farther northeast you go up the I-90 corridor towards Ashtabula. It was a local station in Conneaut back in the early 60's when I had family up there.

The only reason I see for WOIO to stay on 10 is for CBS to reclaim VHF in Cleveland from FOX. If they want to stay on VHF at the expense of signal coverage it's pure vanity and insanity. Look for Ashtabula county to flip to the Erie DMA over this decision.

As for WKYC, I heard they want to move to ch 17 once WDLI abandons their analog signal in favor of their digital 39. That would put them right next to WEWS frequency wise. WOIO should keep 19 insted, that way the "big 3" networks would be on 15, 17, & 19. A neat package for anyone trying to get the Cleveland stations OTA.

Anyone from Raycom reading this?

I also subscribe to Dish and I am also concerned about Dish carrying the Indians. The big concern is that Fox Sports Ohio has indicated that they don't think they should give a discount to the satellite/cable providers even without the Indians because they have 24 hour programming and I am not sure Dish will pay for both the Indians and Fox Sports Ohio. My take is that I would rather have Dish carry the Indians station part time then keep Fox Sports Ohio. I am not the biggest basketball fan and the number of Cavaliers games on channel 43 and shown on national networks is enough for me. The lack of 24 hour programming for the Indians channel actually is not a problem for Dish because they are already carry games for their MLB package on a part time channel usage basis. It may actually help in terms of Dish bandwidth limitations although I would be great if this new Indians channel is in HD. I believe some if not all of the games on WKYC will be in HD.


Does anyone know where I can find information regarding which providers will carry the Indians this year? I'm new to the HD world and would like to get DirectTV, but carrying the Indians will be a must for whoever I go with.

This discussion brings another issue to mind. When the analog signals are abandoned what will happen to the identy of the stations that will abandon their old channels? i.e. will WKYC still be 3-1 when they move to 17? It appears that WJW is the only station keeping their old channel after the transition is over (well, not exactly, it appears that WVPX 23 will have to flip from analog to digital overnight like the LPTV's are reported to do since their digital assignment (59) is a part of the UHF band that is being auctioned away after the transition).

Does anyone know where I can find information regarding which providers will carry the Indians this year? I'm new to the HD world and would like to get DirectTV, but carrying the Indians will be a must for whoever I go with.
As a Dish subscriber I can tell you honestly - go with direcTV if the Indians are a must. Dish still does not carry the "YES" network for the Yankees (however they do carry MASN, the part-time network for the Washington Nationals). Several years ago we Dish subs lost half of the FSN Indians games for one whole season (we only got 70 out of 140 games) due to a contract price squabble. Dish lost many subs that year.

Based on what Inundated reported about Adelphia still doing what they want it might be a good idea at this point to hit the phones and emails demanding they carry the Indians. Just to be safe.

Next Monday or Tuesday (1/23), WJW is hoping to install a replacement 3rd UHF tube in it's DTV transmitter. We've been on running on only two tubes for many weeks now, making only about 63% power. This third tube installed will allow us to make full power. If this increase of power is noticeable in some way at your location, we would be very much interested in hearing about it on this thread. I'll post again here when the installation is finished. Thanks all.........
I'm looking forward to that. I cannot get a lock on WJW, the signal fluctuates from 0 to 25 or so all the time. I get a lock on the other locals with a strength avg. of about 70 on my HR10-250

As a Dish subscriber I can tell you honestly - go with direcTV if the Indians are a must. Dish still does not carry the "YES" network for the Yankees (however they do carry MASN, the part-time network for the Washington Nationals). Several years ago we Dish subs lost half of the FSN Indians games for one whole season (we only got 70 out of 140 games) due to a contract price squabble. Dish lost many subs that year.

actually, unless things have changed, only time warner has the indians as of right now, that MAY change in the future but its not a for sure thing!

Well, I guess its a good thing WJW is improving signal, but here in SW Portage Co, I never had a problem with WJW. WEWS on the other hand....

Well, I guess its a good thing WJW is improving signal, but here in SW Portage Co, I never had a problem with WJW. WEWS on the other hand....
WEWS has been back up to full power for about a week or so. If you are still having trouble it might be your antenna. Over all, WEWS has the best frequency for their digital signal. I say that based on the fact that there are no analog ch 15 operating anywhere near the Cleveland market. Just about every other digital channel in town has an analog operating on that channel in a nearby market. Transition or no transition, there is no logical reason for some of the DT channel assignmnets. I have DX'ed analog signals on just about every other channel used for DT in Cleveland today:

ch 2 WJBK Detroit & KDKA Pittsburgh

ch 10 CFPL London, Ontario (and I bet WBNS in Columbus gives WOIO-DT viewers troubles down in the Mansfield/Asland area).

ch 28 I believe there is a Columbus station on 28, I DX'ed once a long time ago.

ch 31 The PAX afilliate in Ann Arbor/Detroit and CITY-TV in Ontario

ch 50 WKBD Detroit

Additionally some nearby markets have their DT's on our analog channels, most notably KDKA-DT on ch 25.

I can't believe WOIO wants to hang onto ch 10! Unless CFPL abandons ch 10 (not likely) it's absurd for WOIO to stay on that channel. CFPL used to come in like gangbusters when I lived in Euclid, and it was even stronger the farther northeast you go up the I-90 corridor towards Ashtabula. It was a local station in Conneaut back in the early 60's when I had family up there.

The only reason I see for WOIO to stay on 10 is for CBS to reclaim VHF in Cleveland from FOX. If they want to stay on VHF at the expense of signal coverage it's pure vanity and insanity. Look for Ashtabula county to flip to the Erie DMA over this decision.

As for WKYC, I heard they want to move to ch 17 once WDLI abandons their analog signal in favor of their digital 39. That would put them right next to WEWS frequency wise. WOIO should keep 19 insted, that way the "big 3" networks would be on 15, 17, & 19. A neat package for anyone trying to get the Cleveland stations OTA.

Anyone from Raycom reading this?

My guess is that they figure the much lower operating cost on VHF is worth the loss of coverage in the far NE counties.

Altthough they are likely to be able to increase their power above their currenly paltry 3.5kw once WBNS in Columbus abandons CH 10 for 21, they will still need a big null to the north to protect CFPL.

Based on what Inundated reported about Adelphia still doing what they want it might be a good idea at this point to hit the phones and emails demanding they carry the Indians. Just to be safe.

The upshot, according to Mr. Jasso (TWC's spokesman, basically), is that TWC really can't control any decisions Adelphia makes until they take them over. But...well, let me just quote him: "Regarding carriage before the deal closes, you would have to talk to Adelphia and Comcast, but I can't honestly imagine that the two biggest Cleveland area cable systems won't be carrying the Cleveland Indians."

I would assume it'd be relatively trivial for Adelphia to come up with a short term deal to carry the Indians games on channel 15 or something, until the system is controlled by TWC.

The problem, as I told Bill Jasso, is that I haven't heard any noise out of Adelphia about them actually doing so, and I don't trust Adelphia as far as I can throw them. :D

Hookbill, why don't you call 'em and ask them? Don't you already have a contact down there?

My guess is that they figure the much lower operating cost on VHF is worth the loss of coverage in the far NE counties.

This is the biggest reason WJW wants to stay on 8 and WOIO on 10...the power bill is a LOT lower on VHF, considering the power needed to keep the same coverage area.

And there aren't a lot of choices on high VHF that don't have similar problems for WOIO:

6 - WSYX/Columbus analog
7 - WTRF/Wheeling analog
8 - WJW's current analog and future digital, of course
9 - WTOV/Steubenville analog
10 - The aforementioned CFPL problem
11 - WPXI/Pittsburgh analog
12 - WICU/Erie analog
13 - WTVG/Toledo analog

This is the biggest reason WJW wants to stay on 8 and WOIO on 10...the power bill is a LOT lower on VHF, considering the power needed to keep the same coverage area.

And there aren't a lot of choices on high VHF that don't have similar problems for WOIO:

6 - WSYX/Columbus analog


Just a nitpick - Ch6 is low-VHF :D


7 - WTRF/Wheeling analog
8 - WJW's current analog and future digital, of course
9 - WTOV/Steubenville analog
10 - The aforementioned CFPL problem
11 - WPXI/Pittsburgh analog
12 - WICU/Erie analog
13 - WTVG/Toledo analog

I also believe most, if not all, of these stations will stick with their analog VHF allocations for digital when analog shuts down.

Just a nitpick - Ch6 is low-VHF :D



I also believe most, if not all, of these stations will stick with their analog VHF allocations for digital when analog shuts down.


So what you are saying all this money I have spent for UHF antennas and amps and now they are going to switch back to VHF? :mad:

Just a nitpick - Ch6 is low-VHF :D



I also believe most, if not all, of these stations will stick with their analog VHF allocations for digital when analog shuts down.

I thought I saw that they were in there second round of channel elections, but here a PDF File that shows the 1st round of channel elections.

1st round of channel elections also you can go here if you have excel. 1ST round channel elections (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-1743A2.xls)

So what you are saying all this money I have spent for UHF antennas and amps and now they are going to switch back to VHF? :mad:

In most areas you will need to be able to receive hi-band VHF in addition to UHF. The majority of hi-VHF analog stations (CH 7-13) with UHF digital assigments will return to their old VHF assignments when analog shuts down (much lower power required to cover the same area than on UHF). Those with lo-VHF analog assigmenets, on the other hand, will almost always stick with their UHF digital assigments, due to all the problems with digital lo-VHF.

IIRC, the Wheeling/Stubenville stations will return to 7 and 9.

Fortunately, many UHF antennas will work acceptably on hi-VHF.

Fortunately, many UHF antennas will work acceptably on hi-VHF.

I dunno why I had channel 6 stuck in my head with the hi-VHF channels. Maybe because we have 3 and 5 here.

I'll be happy to send an email to any station or cable system requesting the Indians even though I am not a baseball fan. Where should they be sent? I am not sure what the Adelphia sale will mean for HD here in Cleveland, I am really enjoying the Adelphia HD and hope the HD offerings will grow and not be more limited if/when they are sold. I'm sure this in not a new comment for the forum but the GIGANTIC LOGO on WVIZ DT is even more ugly and annoying than it used to be (I was not sure that was even possible)! I am also stunned that an otherwise classy station like INHD2 is ruining their upscale programming like IMAX films and even Kurasawa for gosh sakes with their irritating logo which never goes away. Don't these people get it? How can they invest and work this hard to send out a beautiful picture and buy meaningful content-driven shows and then plaster a LOGO all over it? Make it small and transparent, or better yet, program it to show up every ten minutes for twelve seconds and then disappear, or best case leave it off entirely. I have sent an email to INHD (ignored of course) and would be happy to lead a email campaign to WVIZ and any others. Does anyone have any ideas how we could do something to be effective at this? Perhaps it does not bug anyone else and I should just stop ranting and change the channel.

So what you are saying all this money I have spent for UHF antennas and amps and now they are going to switch back to VHF? :mad:


How is the reception of WKYC & WOIO with a UHF-Only Antenna? I have heard a lot of good things about the ChannelMaster 4228 AND it is cheaper than another UHF/VHF antenna. However, if I can't get NBC & CBS, it's not going to work for me. (My antenna had a tree fall on it.)

How is the reception of WKYC & WOIO with a UHF-Only Antenna? I have heard a lot of good things about the ChannelMaster 4228 AND it is cheaper than another UHF/VHF antenna. However, if I can't get NBC & CBS, it's not going to work for me. (My antenna had a tree fall on it.)


The CM 4228 will receive channel 10 (WOIO-DT) OK but not channel 2 (WKYC-DT).

This discussion brings another issue to mind. When the analog signals are abandoned what will happen to the identy of the stations that will abandon their old channels? i.e. will WKYC still be 3-1 when they move to 17?

I believe the FCC stipulates that the stations identify with their "old" channel number even though they are transmitting on another channel. After all the years of promoting their NTSC channel/identity, it would be a shame to start over... Everyone but WEAO seem to be doing that... they are saying 50??? Their digital in Youngstown will be 45 (moving from 46) and staying on 50 in Akron... but should be 49-1, 49-2...etc...?

Years from now some poor newbie will try in vain to tune in WKYC if all they know is "3.1". The identy of stations in the future will have to change from a "channel centric" to a call letter and/or network centric identity.

Reports say that WOIO wants to stay on 10 after the transition is over. If all other analog stations abandon 10 (i.e. WBNS in Columbus and CFPL in London Ontario) no problem. However Canada is years behind the U.S. in digital OTA, so I believe CFPL is staying put. I also believe WBNS will want to stay on 10.

The Canadians are playing hardball with other channels that arn't even on the air yet (which is why WBNX has yet to sign on ch 30). Bottom line WOIO will have a hard time if they try to hang onto 10. Just ask anyone with an OTA digital receiver along the I-90 East corridor in Lake & Ashtabula counties.

BTW: clevemkt, please learn how to use the quote feature! I believe the FCC stipulates that the stations identify with their "old" channel number even though they are transmitting on another channel. After all the years of promoting their NTSC channel/identity, it would be a shame to start over... Everyone but WEAO seem to be doing that... they are saying 50??? Their digital in Youngstown will be 45 (moving from 46) and staying on 50 in Akron... but should be 49-1, 49-2...etc...Thanks.

How is the reception of WKYC & WOIO with a UHF-Only Antenna? I have heard a lot of good things about the ChannelMaster 4228 AND it is cheaper than another UHF/VHF antenna. However, if I can't get NBC & CBS, it's not going to work for me. (My antenna had a tree fall on it.)
I have a Silver Sensor (indoor/UHF only). WKYC is non existant on it, I can see the tower from my back window! WOIO does cone in, however it works best at a 90 degree angle from the WOIO tower (WOIO's tower is virtually next door to WKYC's)

If I'm having problems with VHF on a UHF only antenna at my virtual ground zero location than I'm willing to bet those farther away will not have much luck getting VHF off a UHF only antenna. My reception of WKYC came off the coax cable the Silver Sensor was attached to, as the station would come and go based on how the cable was laying. I have since added an old set of rabbit ears and a UHF/VHF combiner. I use the Silver Sensor to get WEAO-DT & WDLI-DT and WVPX-TV, I have an A/B switch between the Silver Sensor and the UHF/VHF combiner with rabbit ears on the VHF input and a UHF loop antenna on the UHF side of the combiner. This gets me all the Cleveland UHF & VHF stations with 100+ signal strength (125 on WOIO).

Reports say that WOIO wants to stay on 10 after the transition is over. If all other analog stations abandon 10 (i.e. WBNS in Columbus and CFPL in London Ontario) no problem. However Canada is years behind the U.S. in digital OTA, so I believe CFPL is staying put. I also believe WBNS will want to stay on 10.

The Canadians are playing hardball with other channels that arn't even on the air yet (which is why WBNX has yet to sign on ch 30). Bottom line WOIO will have a hard time if they try to hang onto 10. Just ask anyone with an OTA digital receiver along the I-90 East corridor in Lake & Ashtabula counties.


WBNS selected 10 in the first round channel election, but it was rejected likely because WOIO had selected 10, and digital stations have priority when there is a conflict. Thus, WBNS will have to choose Ch 21 for digital.

FCC Conflict Decision Form: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101075396&formid=383&fac_num=71217

OTOH, as you point out CFPL analog will likely be on CH 10 for years to come, so WOIO-DT on Ch10 will still be toast out to the northeast.

That stinks! A station that spent decades on a channel (WBNS 10) has to abandon the channel because a newcomer (WOIO 19) pulld some strings to get a digital assignment on their VHF channel. You would think that senority would also come into play. WOIO has ony been on the air since the 80's, WBNS however probably was on ch 10 since the 50's.

I bet this means that WVIZ has to stay on 26 because KDKA will want to stay on 25 (KDKA's analog channel is 2 - we all know what a problem that channel has been for WKYC-DT).

Another issue, if WBNX is stuck on 21 then WFMJ is stuck on 20. This is a domino-effect!

At least the stations whose "legacy" channel was UHF will stay in the same range (21 to 20) however Columbus gets the short end of the stick (10 to 21) and WOIO gets away with putting CBS back on VHF. Shoot, if they want a VHF make 'em take 5 when WEWS abandons 5 for 15 :p

You know all these discussions about OTA and antennas and what channel who is on just makes me that much happier I never bought OTA equipment.

Notice I didn't say I'm that much happier with Adelphia. :) But it does seem like it's much less headache.

Of course Adelphia still doesn't have UPN on HD, so I am missing out on that one.

Another issue, if WBNX is stuck on 21 then WFMJ is stuck on 20. This is a domino-effect!

I assume you mean WBNS as above. WBNX has its own set of problems. :D

Of course Adelphia still doesn't have UPN on HD, so I am missing out on that one.

Yeah, though that'll probably come whenever TWC takes over Adelphia (and rejiggers the lineups). Whenever that is.

I gotta agree with you, though...Adelphia's been relatively trouble-free lately. I have brought my USB HDTV tuner downstairs to my Dell PC, and it looks great on this LCD FP monitor. The latest Fusion software grabs, and keeps, all the QAM channels from Adelphia. It is even picking up the SD digital versions of 3/5/8/19/43 now!

One oddity I forgot to note - not only does TWC carry WUAB in HD, but it also carries "The Tube", that awful WUAB-DT music subchannel. Since TWC also carries WKYC's Weather Plus, maybe that was a part of the deal.

WJW-DT was looking pretty good just after midnight...
changed from a 60/16dB SNR to 74/23dB SNR...
hope it holds!
inside 4 bowtie array w/preamp...
Accurian STB...

Ed...
North Canton

If this increase of power is noticeable in some way at your location, we would be very much interested in hearing about it on this thread. I'll post again here when the installation is finished. Thanks all........

Another issue, if WBNX is stuck on 21 then WFMJ is stuck on 20. This is a domino-effect!

At least the stations whose "legacy" channel was UHF will stay in the same range (21 to 20) however Columbus gets the short end of the stick (10 to 21) and WOIO gets away with putting CBS back on VHF.

WFMJ is going with 20 anyway, and WVIZ with 26. I believe that just about all stations in the area where both the analog and digital are UHF, stations are sticking with the digital allocation to avoid the cost of setting up a digital signal on channel X during the transition, and then having to set up another digital signal on channel Y (i.e., the old analog channel) when analog shuts down. Exceptions to this are when the digital allocation is "out-of-core", i.e., above Ch 51, such as WVPX.

I agree that it is screwy that the digital stations have priority over the analogs, leading to the bizarre WBNS/WOIO situation. It makes more sense for it to be the other way around.

Shoot, if they want a VHF make 'em take 5 when WEWS abandons 5 for 15 :p

I doubt that even the wonderful company that owns 19 would pick a low-VHF, but you never know. At least the power bill would probably be even cheaper than on Ch10. :D

I guess this solves the problem of WBNX not being able to broadcast HD :D :)

http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/24/news/companies/cbs_warner/index.htm?cnn=yes

I guess this solves the problem of WBNX not being able to broadcast HD :D :)

http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/24/news/companies/cbs_warner/index.htm?cnn=yes

Interesting news. Now the question is what ota channel will CW be on. Let's hope they don't take over channel 2. ^_^

As much as I despise WUAB (WUAB/WOIO in general), I hope they affiliate with "The CW" instead of WBNX getting it. I doubt WBNX will be going in HD for the 06-07 season.

Interesting news. Now the question is what ota channel will CW be on. Let's hope they don't take over channel 2. ^_^

I would hope that CW would affiliate with WUAB, because who knows when WBNX will be broadcasting digitally & passing HD.

Yeah, I have to lean with digital WUAB. I don't care much for that company either.

As much as I despise WUAB (WUAB/WOIO in general), I hope they affiliate with "The CW" instead of WBNX getting it. I doubt WBNX will be going in HD for the 06-07 season.

It's possilbe that WBNX won't be on in digital until analog shutdown, when they can get another channel besides 30. There has been no FCC activity that I can see in 2 years concerning WBNX's digital application on CH30.

Maybe we should all send an e-mail to WBNX and plead for them not to try and get the affiliation with CW and just let WUAB get it.

Maybe we should all send an e-mail to WBNX and plead for them not to try and get the affiliation with CW and just let WUAB get it.

That really won't do anything. If they want to get it, they will try.

The biggest factor might be the fact that WBNX is a one-owner station (Rev. Angley) and WOIO/WUAB are owned by mid-sized group Raycom. Raycom has a few other UPN affiliates, and even one WB affiliate, in other markets.

Next Monday or Tuesday (1/23), WJW is hoping to install a replacement 3rd UHF tube in it's DTV transmitter. We've been on running on only two tubes for many weeks now, making only about 63% power. This third tube installed will allow us to make full power. If this increase of power is noticeable in some way at your location, we would be very much interested in hearing about it on this thread. I'll post again here when the installation is finished. Thanks all........
To all - on Tuesday 1/24 at 3pm, WJW-DT was brought back up to full power. Again, comments about noticable effects at your location will be appreciated. Thanks.

Hi there WJW Engineer-
I am still getting the exact same signal as before the 3rd tube was on. Fluctuations from 0 to 20.

I'm looking forward to that. I cannot get a lock on WJW, the signal fluctuates from 0 to 25 or so all the time. I get a lock on the other locals with a strength avg. of about 70 on my HR10-250.

To all - on Tuesday 1/24 at 3pm, WJW-DT was brought back up to full power. Again, comments about noticable effects at your location will be appreciated. Thanks.
Location - Avon
Antenna - Terk TV5 Indoor Horizontal Antenna
Signal - 80's to 85's with persistent signal dropouts every 20 to 30 seconds (very annoying)

That really won't do anything. If they want to get it, they will try.

The biggest factor might be the fact that WBNX is a one-owner station (Rev. Angley) and WOIO/WUAB are owned by mid-sized group Raycom. Raycom has a few other UPN affiliates, and even one WB affiliate, in other markets.

Heh, I know it was a joke. Looks like WBNX will be loosing out.

That really won't do anything. If they want to get it, they will try.

The biggest factor might be the fact that WBNX is a one-owner station (Rev. Angley) and WOIO/WUAB are owned by mid-sized group Raycom. Raycom has a few other UPN affiliates, and even one WB affiliate, in other markets.

So are you suggesting that Raycom will get it? Or are you saying WBNX has a better chance because it's small? :confused:

I think he's suggesting that Raycom (WUAB) will get the affiliation. They will have more leverage over WBNX's owner because they (Raycom) already have a CBS affiliate (WOIO) in the Cleveland market and I would assume more money. Plus they already are broadcasting digitally and in HD.

Yes, though there are some that think WBNX will make a play for it, the group ownership by Raycom (6 UPN affiliates, 1 WB, plus a bunch of CBS affils) would seem to almost guarantee it for WUAB.

WJW Engineer:
Signal is rock steady at about 3/4 on the scale. No dropouts. I do notice on some of your remote transmissions (mobile) that there are sometimes about 10 ghost images starting from left to right on the principles face but ending from half the face to the right. Sure doesn't look like High Def to me when you switch to remote.

JJK

WJW Engineer:
Signal is rock steady at about 3/4 on the scale. No dropouts. I do notice on some of your remote transmissions (mobile) that there are sometimes about 10 ghost images starting from left to right on the principles face but ending from half the face to the right. Sure doesn't look like High Def to me when you switch to remote.


It isn't. :D

The field live shots on FOX 8 News are done in SD, using 16:9 framing. (Taped stuff is still 4:3 SD.) Only stuff originating live from the FOX 8 studio on South Marginal Road is in 16:9 HD.

Somewhere a few weeks ago on this thread, there's a link posted to an interview with WJW's engineering folks...in which they indicate that HD will be added to other parts of the local production (live shots, SkyFOX, commercial production) at some point in the future.

Just spoke with WEWS engineering. 5.1 sound racks and satellites are there, but ABC has not given them an install date. This means that DD 5.1 will not be available in time for the super bowl. They hope to have it installed in the next month or so.
Does anyone have any clout with ABC network?
That will be the only way we will have OTA 5.1 in time

Just spoke with WEWS engineering. 5.1 sound racks and satellites are there, but ABC has not given them an install date. This means that DD 5.1 will not be available in time for the super bowl. They hope to have it installed in the next month or so.
Does anyone have any clout with ABC network?
That will be the only way we will have OTA 5.1 in time

I would rather have the "fake" surround than take a chance screwing up the SB on some newbie equipment turned on the day before the game... :D

Anybody know if the Daytona 500 will be in HD? Who's airing it?

Just spoke with WEWS engineering. 5.1 sound racks and satellites are there, but ABC has not given them an install date. This means that DD 5.1 will not be available in time for the super bowl. They hope to have it installed in the next month or so.
Does anyone have any clout with ABC network?
That will be the only way we will have OTA 5.1 in time

I'll settle for a solid signal on WEWS that doesn't drop out on a regular basis for SB-XL. Boston Legal was unwatchable last night, but the other stations (3, 8, 19, 43, 61) were rock solid.

A few pages ago, someone mentioned that the transmitter was running on low power, but I never saw a post saying that the issue was fixed. Any word on when the signal will be back to full strength, or are they waiting to fix it along with the DD 5.1 install?

To all - on Tuesday 1/24 at 3pm, WJW-DT was brought back up to full power. Again, comments about noticable effects at your location will be appreciated. Thanks.
I am still geting the same signal strength as before the upgrade. About 70%. I am getting many drop outs for some reason now.

In the "continuing WEWS-DT problems, non-signal division" tonight - I managed to get two screenshots of an ongoing problem, the poor upconverting of ABC's SD material.

After the 10 PM show went to SD near the end, to allow the local news promo for 11, I snapped this:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f253/Inundated/wews1.jpg

Notice how blurry the ABC show's text is, under Ted Henry.

After ABC was done, I captured this:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f253/Inundated/wews2.jpg

Notice...no more blurry text. It's as clear as SD can be, and it's local.

Many of us noticed this problem during the upconverts of SD college football games in the fall. It apparently continues to go unnoticed by WEWS. Of course, they may have larger digital problems (signal) right now.

Anybody know if the Daytona 500 will be in HD? Who's airing it?

NBC has the Daytona 500 and NBC aired all/majority of their coverage in HD last year. I would imagine the biggest event in auto racing would be covered in HD. Fox has a deal with NASCAR that covers the 2007 through 2014 Daytona 500.

I noticed yesterday on 19 that started out in HD, applied a weather warning crawl which took the program out of HD into SD, then they forgot to flip the switch and left it in SD for awhile then went back to HD after a commercial break. This really ticks me off. Do they have to flip a switch or what?

JJK

I have a few questions:

1) If I have adelphia cable (basic) and have a HDTV with Digital tuner built in/or a HTPC with a QAM digital tuner ( like the M, will I be able to view HD from the standard networks (eg CBS, NBC, Fox etc). OR, are these HD channels encrypted, requiring the use of THEIR cable box to decode them?

2) How is the OTA coverage in cleveland? If I go to Radioshack and buy a small OTA antenna and place it near a window will I be able to pick up the major Networks? ( I'm located in Shaker Heights), but is there a good rule of thumb for all of Cleveland?

Thanks in advance!

If I have adelphia cable (basic) and have a HDTV with Digital tuner built in/or a HTPC with a QAM digital tuner ( like the M, will I be able to view HD from the standard networks (eg CBS, NBC, Fox etc). OR, are these HD channels encrypted, requiring the use of THEIR cable box to decode them?

If you have a QAM tuner then you should be able to tune in your local digital stations over your cable IF they are "in the clear" and your cable company carries the channel.

Check out this discussion reguarding FCC regulations on digital local broadcasts THREAD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6114384&&#post6114384)

If you cannot tune in the local digital stations that are available from your provider, call them and complain. Keep in mind, generally, the first level of support you reach will have no idea what your talking about. Be persistent and ask for a higher level of support.

I noticed yesterday on 19 that started out in HD, applied a weather warning crawl which took the program out of HD into SD, then they forgot to flip the switch and left it in SD for awhile then went back to HD after a commercial break. This really ticks me off. Do they have to flip a switch or what?

JJK

Yes, there is a switch between the local SD upconvert and the network HD feed that they must flip on all local breaks (so that you see the local commercials on the digital signal instead of whatever the network is sending out on the HD feed), and since they don't have the necessary equipment to insert weather graphics over the HD feed, they must drop back to the SD upconvert to do this. They should have switched back to HD after the crawl was done, but someone must have messed up.

WOIO is the worst offender locally - often a segment of an HD program following a local break is in SD, and they don't catch it until the next local break. WEWS was guilty of this as well in the past, but they have been pretty good this season. WKYC rarely messes up, unless there is an NBC HD network problem.

WJW, OTOH, uses the FOX splicer system, where the switching is controllled by the network, so this problem never happens - at least not that I have ever seen.

I would rather have the "fake" surround than take a chance screwing up the SB on some newbie equipment turned on the day before the game... :D

Ditto. When WKYC first got their 5.1 equipment, NBC shows there would frequently air with sound effects and music, but no dialogue (no center channel?)

This is apparently another switch that must be flipped in addition to the HD/SD switch, and we all know how often certain local stations mess that up.

2) How is the OTA coverage in cleveland? If I go to Radioshack and buy a small OTA antenna and place it near a window will I be able to pick up the major Networks? ( I'm located in Shaker Heights), but is there a good rule of thumb for all of Cleveland?

Thanks in advance!

I can't answer your cable questions, but I suspect that you should be able to get all the Cleveland digital stations except WKYC/NBC-3 OTA with an indoor antenna from Shaker Heights. All of the transmitters are only a few miles to your SW, in Parma

WKYC, unfortunately, is on low-VHF channel 2, which will require a large, probably outdoor antenna.

WOIO/19-CBS is also on VHF, but on Channel 10, so small rabbit ears should work. All the rest (WEWS/ABC, WJW/Fox, WUAB/UPN) are UHF and should be very easy to pick up. WVIZ/PBS is temporarily low power/low transmitter height and is probably a tough catch from Shaker Heights. It hopefully will be full power before too long.

If you are on high ground, you might have a shot at WEAO/50-PBS from Akron (although they are currently not carrying PBS-HD, but should be at some point in the future).

I'll settle for a solid signal on WEWS that doesn't drop out on a regular basis for SB-XL. Boston Legal was unwatchable last night, but the other stations (3, 8, 19, 43, 61) were rock solid.


I thought I would just let you know. I watched Boston Legal recorded on my DVR player via Adelphia. It was darn near perfect. In the last 20 seconds someone flipped the switch to SD. Other then that, no picture problems or sound gliches.

If you have a QAM tuner then you should be able to tune in your local digital stations over your cable IF they are "in the clear" and your cable company carries the channel.

Just checking in here:

I have Adelphia and my USB HDTV tuner that does QAM, DOES pick up all of Adelphia's local HD stations (WKYC/WEWS/WJW/WOIO/WVIZ) with no problem. They're "in the clear".

It also, in recent weeks, has picked up the SD digital versions of those stations...along with WUAB. These are the digital OTA SD versions that get moved down to 3/4/5/6/8 on digital cable boxes to replace the analog versions.

No problem on any of 'em.

Of course, you aren't getting ESPNHD, etc. this way, but the OTA digital/HD stations are clear on Adelphia.

I thought I would just let you know. I watched Boston Legal recorded on my DVR player via Adelphia. It was darn near perfect. In the last 20 seconds someone flipped the switch to SD. Other then that, no picture problems or sound gliches.

That was the same show that was running before the screen shots I put up earlier in this thread. It was in HD all the way, until that last segment...which they have to switch so WEWS can throw in the pictured promo for the 11 PM news.

As far as the WOIO storm graphics are concerned...they don't have HD-capable graphics, so they have to do the switch (or not display the graphics on the digital feed). Only WJW can do it in HD locally.

Just checking in here:

I have Adelphia and my USB HDTV tuner that does QAM, DOES pick up all of Adelphia's local HD stations (WKYC/WEWS/WJW/WOIO/WVIZ) with no problem. They're "in the clear".



Have you, or anyone with a QAM tuner noticed any movement at all by Adelphia in replacing all the remaining analog stations to digital? They've had those those test channels up for months now. I was hoping we would see something by start of the year, but here it is January 27 and nothing has happened.

While going through the program guide, I spotted some new channels in the 340s. In particular, channel 349 is labelled HSOD, but has no information yet. I have no other information, but I suspect that it might be "Howard Stern On Demand". I know that some of his newer things are being taped in HD....

I live in North Canton and can get HDTV on channels 5-1, 8-1, the 17s, the 43s, 47-1 and the 50s on just an amplified rabbit ears and a Sylvania HD tuner. I have never been able to get 3-1 (WKYC-DT)or 19-1(WOIO-DT). If anyone out there living in North Canton or Green has any suggestions (i.e. type of rooftop antenna to get), I would appreciate hearing them. Also, is anyone living in North Canton or Green able to pick up the digital Youngstown stations ?

I live in North Canton and can get HDTV on channels 5-1, 8-1, the 17s, the 43s, 47-1 and the 50s on just an amplified rabbit ears and a Sylvania HD tuner. I have never been able to get 3-1 (WKYC-DT)or 19-1(WOIO-DT). If anyone out there living in North Canton or Green has any suggestions (i.e. type of rooftop antenna to get), I would appreciate hearing them. Also, is anyone living in North Canton or Green able to pick up the digital Youngstown stations ?

I lived in Jackson Twp. With a CM4228 in the attic, I was able to get all of the channels you mentioned, including the Youngstown stations, except WkYC. I would have to repoint the antenna to receive the Youngstown stations.

WOIO-DT is on channel 10, which the CM4228 does pick up well, even though it is a UHF antenna.

Just spoke with Engineering at CBS channel 19 WOIO; dolby digital 5.1 sound is not even on the horizon for them. Reason is owner,Raycom, is too cheap to spend the $4-5000 on necessary equipment. He suggested that we FLOOD the station with complaints. Smaller markets have this dynamic sound and Cleveland does not. Call 216.771.1943 and ask for programming. You can also ask for the general manager.
Who is with me? Maybe we can get them to do something for us consumers.
Thanks

Just spoke with Engineering at CBS channel 19 WOIO; dolby digital 5.1 sound is not even on the horizon for them. Reason is owner,Raycom, is too cheap to spend the $4-5000 on necessary equipment. He suggested that we FLOOD the station with complaints. Smaller markets have this dynamic sound and Cleveland does not. Call 216.771.1943 and ask for programming. You can also ask for the general manager.
Who is with me? Maybe we can get them to do something for us consumers.
Thanks

I just went to the Channel 19 web site, got their GM's e-mail address and sent him a message at the following:
jsmith@raycommedia.com

Told him CBS had the best HD programming, and I appreciated their efforts; but they could improve by adding DD (explained smaller markets have it and soon they will be the only major in Cleveland without). Also mentioned that they fairly frequently fail to start with HD at the beginning of the show.

Thanks. Thats a start. Email address is appreciated. Lets all email or call. Power of the people!!

Just spoke with Engineering at CBS channel 19 WOIO; dolby digital 5.1 sound is not even on the horizon for them. Reason is owner,Raycom, is too cheap to spend the $4-5000 on necessary equipment. He suggested that we FLOOD the station with complaints. Smaller markets have this dynamic sound and Cleveland does not. Call 216.771.1943 and ask for programming. You can also ask for the general manager.
Who is with me? Maybe we can get them to do something for us consumers.
Thanks

I'm totally on your side. But.....I have sent many unanswered emails stating just as you say how much I love CBS and how they really need Dolby 5.1.

I wonder with Raycom being so tight with their wallets if their the one we should put the pressure on. Maybe a better idea would be go to the network.

If CBS gets flooded with complaints they may very well put some muscle on Raycom. They could tell Raycom that if they don't offer the Dolby 5.1 per the peoples request they could change affiliates.

Just a thought. Maybe not a great one. I just don't see Raycom as someone who "responds to the will" of the people.

You are correct about Raycom. The engineer told me that if CBS wants Raycom to have DD 5.1, CBS should supply it to Raycom for FREE

Wait, the DD equipment is only $4k to $5k?

Maybe we could hold a bake sale or car wash or something.... :rolleyes:

Them're some cheap-a** bastages.

It could be worse...19/43 could be owned by Sinclair or (gulp) NexStar.

Have you, or anyone with a QAM tuner noticed any movement at all by Adelphia in replacing all the remaining analog stations to digital? They've had those those test channels up for months now. I was hoping we would see something by start of the year, but here it is January 27 and nothing has happened.

Nope, the only SD DT channels showing up on QAM are the current ones - the digital SD versions of 3, 5, 8, 19 and 43. There are some other SD DT channels now - the "Ohio Channel" feed off of WVIZ-DT, which is being carried by Adelphia in the digital tier, for example. But there are no more digital SD replacement channels yet.

(I was actually surprised to see the existing ones, actually! I didn't know they showed up "in the clear".)

I recently purchased a new TV with a built in HD tuner and started off with an indoor antenna but it wasn't picking up all of the locals. I then moved up to a Terk HDTV-S outdoor, which according to Antennaweb should have worked fine. However, I could never get NBC and would sometimes have trouble staying locked on CBS--I live in North Ridgeville. Anyway, I found this site and antennaweb to be very helpful so I wanted to post my results. I have Comcast basic cable throughout my home since I use them for my highspeed internet and it's the same price if you throw in basic. Anyway, not pleased with not being able to pick up NBC I decided to hook up my basic cable directly to the TV . I am able to receive NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox in HD. The TV does have a QAM tuner if that helps anyone. Hopefully, this will help someone out there who is new to HD. I wish I would have tried the cable first rather than spending the $150.00+ for the antenna/hardware--not to mention the time I spent on my roof aiming the thing. Hope this can help someone out there.....

Picture is terrible for the Cavs game on ABC this afternoon. I know its not HD obviously, but the picture still suffers from the problem WEWS had during the college football season. Theres ghosting lines on each side of everything. WEWS should be ashamed of themselves.

Picture is terrible for the Cavs game on ABC this afternoon. I know its not HD obviously, but the picture still suffers from the problem WEWS had during the college football season. Theres ghosting lines on each side of everything. WEWS should be ashamed of themselves.

I have sent a long, detailed E-Mail to WEWS' engineering department with a lot of information about this. I'm not sure if it'll get to them, as I guessed at an address :) But if I don't hear back, I'll call. This is getting ridiculous.

The problem is clearly on WEWS' end. How do I know? When ABC as a network lost the HD feed from the second game, they had to revert to SD until they fixed it...and the SD feed directly from the network looked flawless.

Somewhere, WEWS' local upconversion is causing it. Maybe there's something inherent in their analog signal that gets mangled, because it looked nearly as bad even on Adelphia 5 (Adelphia's digital version of WEWS' analog feed).

If I do not hear back, I will call. This has to stop. It appears if WEWS didn't just simply upconvert ABC SD programming again, it would go away.

I'm not sure if they take it live or record it, but tonight's ABC World News Tonight showed none of the picture problems described above.

in geauga county, i kept losing the Cavs feed. was at 90% then down to zero, then back up again. it is like the transmitter just quits transmitting or something. even when picture was there it was horrible. (Directv signal meter)

The Cav's game quality was pretty bad SD wise but I watched it anyway. I think their analog is better than the SD.
JJK

Did anybody get the golf on WOIO 19 to fill their screen on channel 19-1 HD ??

Well, I knew it had to end sooner or later. I took my DVR back for replacement because it was missing complete recording of shows (SA 8300). Got a replacement, no problem.

Hooked it up and did a check on channel reception. I noticed that I wasn't receiving many of the music channels which I don't listen to anyway. Then I started checking out other channels.

It seems I'm not getting HBO E but I get HBO HD. I'm also not receiving a couple of other HBO stations I use to get. It gets weird. ESPN Classic is not coming in. And some other digital channel.

Anyway I called them and someones coming out on Friday evening but I'm thinking that it's a head end problem because ESPN Classic came in for a few seconds and went away.

How about some of you other Adelphia guys? Can you take a look and see if your OK? Inundated, I know everthing is working fine for you. :)

The golf on channel 19 was in SD only as far as OTA goes.

JJK

How about some of you other Adelphia guys? Can you take a look and see if your OK? Inundated, I know everthing is working fine for you. :)

I'm having a similar problem.. I'm missing HBO 201-204 and Cinemax 213-215. The other HBO & Cinemax channels work fine (including HBO-HD and On Demand). I had hoped it would just "fix itself" like when the On Demand does when it goes on the fritz, but so far no luck. Please let me know if you have any luck hookbill.

I'm having a similar problem.. I'm missing HBO 201-204 and Cinemax 213-215. The other HBO & Cinemax channels work fine (including HBO-HD and On Demand). I had hoped it would just "fix itself" like when the On Demand does when it goes on the fritz, but so far no luck. Please let me know if you have any luck hookbill.

Call it into them. Looks like there is no appointments until Friday and if they start getting the calls they will fix it. It's probably in the head end. I'm missing the same HBO you are. I don't get Cinemax.

How about some of you other Adelphia guys? Can you take a look and see if your OK? Inundated, I know everthing is working fine for you. :)

How'd you guess? :D

No problems here. I'm getting all the 200 series SD digital HBOs. No problem with HBO HD on 750. All the music channels are there, and ESPN Classic and the other digital ESPNs (ESPNU, ESPNEWS) are fine.

I have the perfect Adelphia system. ;)

Seriously, we talk about this when there are problems on occasion, but you and I may be on different headends. I can't remember if you have the regular Adelphia Cleveland lineup (with WVIZ on 2, for example) or the Western Reserve lineup (MTV on 2). Even so, you may be fed out of there anyway.

I'm curious where ClevelandJax is, as far as on the Adelphia system. I know where you are. For his reference, I'm on the Copley/Bath/Summit County end of things for Adelphia.

No problems for me either, I'm in Gates Mills

No problems for me either, I'm in Gates Mills

Your not too far from me, I'm in Bainbridge. Well, we will see. I sent an email to my contact at Adelphia (If she's still there, I haven't talked to her in over a year) and I've got an appointment for Friday evening. Problems continued this morning.

I'm curious where ClevelandJax is, as far as on the Adelphia system. I know where you are. For his reference, I'm on the Copley/Bath/Summit County end of things for Adelphia.

I'm in downtown Cleveland, with WZIV on channel 2. I should mention that I'm also missing the music channels as well as ESPNN and ESPNC (channels 123 and 124 respectively). Oddly I'm getting On Demand channels I shouldn't be (Showtime and Starz), how about you hookbill?