Any chance of getting any support from Adelphia on this? Any hints on how to phrase the question?

How's your signal strength, particularly on 105? It's hard to determine what the actual signal strength is on the Fusion on QAM tuning, as it almost always shows above 90% if there's anything there.

I had a problem with some of the QAM channels until I realized that I'd inadvertently put an EXTRA splitter in the line between the other room and here. Removing that got me a perfectly strong signal and cleared up my QAM difficulties. And I'm running a 25 foot cable between the living room and here!

When I did have the problems, the signal strength was close to 90% on the Fusion on those channels. After removing the extra splitter, the signal strength shows 97-100%.

How do you work Adelphia support on this? Good question. If you notice any snow or any other problems that are not related to QAM tuning, maybe you can work that angle. Do you have any analog channels that are particularly "not clear"?

I just heard on the Mike Trivisonno show on 1100 WTAM that SportsTime Ohio has finally struck a deal with DirecTV!

There is only one hitch on the DirecTv deal, only the "inner ring" of the Indians market will get the games. Elligible zip codes will be posted on the STO site.

EDIT: I found the elligible zip codes:
http://www.mooheadradio.com/2.0/index.php

BTW: This "inner ring" is not geographic. For example Youngstown 443 will get the games while Warren 444 will not. There are many more screwy situations where a farther zip gets the games while the closer does not.

Many of us have come to expect such a deal from Dish Network, however this time it's DirecTV that has come up with a "Cheepo..." deal. Go figure!

Michael, are you getting STO in your Dish program guide? I don't see it and I've read on dbstalk that it should be there. I don't want to call if there's something obvious that I'm not seeing...

BTW: This "inner ring" is not geographic. For example Youngstown 443 will get the games while Warren 444 will not. There are many more screwy situations where a farther zip gets the games while the closer does not.

Youngstown is actually 445--...443-- is the Akron area...but you're right, Youngstown area ZIP codes are on the list, and Warren ZIP codes are not. This is one of the oddest things I've ever seen in sports TV.

The list is officially on the STO site.

Columbus ZIP codes are on the list, but Warren is not. What's with that?

The only thing I can say...maybe the fact there is a deal overall would make it easier to correct these problems.

Argh. I tested some more and I don't even get a lock on 105, much less PSIP data. I also just got the same tuner you have and it ALSO doesn't get a lock or see anything on 105.

Do you have any basic-only traps on your line? Are the connectors outside your home in good shape and water tight? Good quality 1ghz splitters and digital-rated RF connectors? (the kind that are installed with a piston-style compression tool, not a crimper).

I've noticed that time and program guide info for all the local OTA stations has not been updated to Daylight Savings Time yet. I checked them all - except for WKYC-DT, which is not coming in for me right now - and WEAO-DT is still having the same problem with their time being a few hours and change off.

Columbus ZIP codes are on the list, but Warren is not. What's with that?

The only thing I can say...maybe the fact there is a deal overall would make it easier to correct these problems.


I'll bet D* got a bunch of request for STO from Columbus, but not so many from Warren. Probably it's due to population.

I wonder if Columbus also gets FOX Sports Ohio, Cincinnati? They are right in the middle. I also wonder if we won't see some Reds games on Fox Sports Ohio since they are no longer covering the Tribe?

I'm thinking about ordering MLB Extra Innings this year, but I don't see any additional HD games if I do that. Yesterday I looked at the PQ between ESPN HD and whatever channel was used on MLB EI for the Mets-National game (it's free the first week if you didn't know). I thought there was something wrong with my eyes, the pq difference was so noticeable that it was almost blurry to me. :)

I'm thinking about ordering MLB Extra Innings this year, but I don't see any additional HD games if I do that. Yesterday I looked at the PQ between ESPN HD and whatever channel was used on MLB EI for the Mets-National game (it's free the first week if you didn't know). I thought there was something wrong with my eyes, the pq difference was so noticeable that it was almost blurry to me. :)

(confused) - are you saying the game on MLB EI was HD and the PQ sucked, or the ESPN HD PQ sucks?

(confused) - are you saying the game on MLB EI was HD and the PQ sucked, or the ESPN HD PQ sucks?

I'm saying ESPN HD was great and MLB EI sucked in comparison.

However, if I hadn't been able to compare the two I might not have felt so strongly.

I'm not seeing channel 657 (STO) in my D* guide this morning... I wonder if I have to call D* and tell them to hit the box?

I am in one of the "approved" zip codes.

TWC NEO has added/duplicated channel 117 plus a whole bunch (not at home to give details) of channels in the 700 series of numbers.

I believe Channel 55 is either moving to 117 or will be duplicated there. Also the FOOD Netwark channel 43 is now also at 714.

If you go to TWC's web site their is NO reference to the new 700 series of numbers.

Is this part of the Adelphia buy out and changing ALL stations around here in NEO land?

Is this part of the Adelphia buy out and changing ALL stations around here in NEO land?

I don't think so. Adelphia uses the 700's for their HD tier.

I wonder if Columbus also gets FOX Sports Ohio, Cincinnati? They are right in the middle. I also wonder if we won't see some Reds games on Fox Sports Ohio since they are no longer covering the Tribe?



Yes, Columbus gets both Fox Sports channels from Ohio. I lived in Columbus for about 13 years, and I had D* for the last couple. It was great. I'm a big BlueJackets fan, and when the Cleveland station was showing the Cavs, the Cincinnati station would have the hockey game. Or if the Cincy station had a Xavier game, the Cleveland regional would usually be showing hockey.

When I moved to Cleveland a few years ago, I lost out on the Cincinnati feed of the games, and quite a few hockey games became unavailable. I *almost* ordered the Center Ice package until I figured out that because we're in the BlueJackets' market here in Cleveland, I could get the Cincinnati feed of the game unblocked by ordering the sports package on D*. It's roughly the same cost as the Center Ice package (about $140 per year - $12 or so a month), but with the sports package I get all of the regional sports channels. So now in addition to almost every BlueJackets game, I get to watch women's curling from South Dakota! :p

And as for seeing the Reds, I doubt it. D* blocks all out-of-region baseball games on the regionals unless you order the Extra Innings package. We're clearly out of the Reds' market.

Oh, and one other thing. For those with D* and the regional sports package, we're also in the Penguins' market. The games shown on Fox Sports Pittsburgh come through in the clear.

Well, they have to fill the time they would use to broadcast Indian games with something substantial, one would think. So I would say either the Reds, or possibly the Pirates.

One can only take so much of Sumo Wrestling and extreme skateboarding. :)

I'm not seeing channel 657 (STO) in my D* guide this morning... I wonder if I have to call D* and tell them to hit the box?

I am in one of the "approved" zip codes.

Well, I have Dish and just spent over an hour on the phone with a technician who had me go through a bunch of useless tests to prove that everything is working properly. He then said he'd send a signal and if that didn't work they'd have to send a technician. Made me think I was dealing with Adelphia customer service!

Anyway, as of now, I'm still not seeing STO in my guide listing and from what I've read on DBStalk.com, it should be there...

Well, they have to fill the time they would use to broadcast Indian games with something substantial, one would think. So I would say either the Reds, or possibly the Pirates.

One can only take so much of Sumo Wrestling and extreme skateboarding. :)

I assume we're talking about Fox Sports, right? Because we're out of the Reds market, and Fox Sports Pittsburgh (I'm sure) has the broadcast rights to the Pirates, I doubt we'll be seeing either on Fox Sports Ohio here in Cleveland. The Pirates' website shows only FSP as the TV home. The Reds' site does show Fox Sports Ohio, but again, I think that because we're out of the market we probably won't get them here.

My guess is that we'll just see more reruns of the Best Damn Sports Show.

Well, now I have an answer from a different Dish technician. I have an open installation order for next Tuesday to upgrade my HD receiver. Dish tech support just told me that since I have an open order, nothing can be changed on my programming, meaning that since the order was opened before Dish added the station, it can't be added without cancelling the order!

Argh!!!!!


Well, I have Dish and just spent over an hour on the phone with a technician who had me go through a bunch of useless tests to prove that everything is working properly. He then said he'd send a signal and if that didn't work they'd have to send a technician. Made me think I was dealing with Adelphia customer service!

Anyway, as of now, I'm still not seeing STO in my guide listing and from what I've read on DBStalk.com, it should be there...

Well, now I have an answer from a different Dish technician. I have an open installation order for next Tuesday to upgrade my HD receiver. Dish tech support just told me that since I have an open order, nothing can be changed on my programming, meaning that since the order was opened before Dish added the station, it can't be added without cancelling the order!

Argh!!!!!

Wow. Did Adelphia buy out Dish? :D

Channel 657 STO is in the D* guide now. Today's game at 2:05 is not indicated though, it just says "Regular Schedule" for all 24 hours.

(FYI, I did not call D* to hit the box, it just automagically appeared within the last couple hours)

Pretty much what I thought...


Wow. Did Adelphia buy out Dish? :D

I see 657 in my Direct Tv guide. Where is the HD broadcast of the game located?
Should be in the 90's I don't see it in the guide
Thanks

I see 657 in my Direct Tv guide. Where is the HD broadcast of the game located?
Should be in the 90's I don't see it in the guide
Thanks

I don't think D* is carrying the HD channel yet. There's no channel number for DirecTV HD mentioned at www.sportstimeohio.com

IMO, we won't see STO HD until some time after they start doing the Cleveland locals with the new MPEG4 gear.

Channel 657 STO is in the D* guide now. Today's game at 2:05 is not indicated though, it just says "Regular Schedule" for all 24 hours.

(FYI, I did not call D* to hit the box, it just automagically appeared within the last couple hours)

Looks like we've got some teething problems here - now the D* IPG is showing the proper STO schedule - pre-game show is supposedly on now at 1:30pm - but I'm getting a black screen and a call ext 721 for ordering information message. Bah.

Looks like we've got some teething problems here - now the D* IPG is showing the proper STO schedule - pre-game show is supposedly on now at 1:30pm - but I'm getting a black screen and a call ext 721 for ordering information message. Bah.

Coming in here just fine in Medina. Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I have the sports package. It'll be interesting to see if the game kicks on for you at 2.

Coming in here just fine in Medina. Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I have the sports package. It'll be interesting to see if the game kicks on for you at 2.

On channel 179 Indians pre game is suppose to be on but I got a grey screen.

First HD game I believe is this Friday. However Adelphia does not have that listed on 798.

Does any1 know what games will be avail. in hd on sto?
A schedule would be appreciated.

Coming in here just fine in Medina. Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I have the sports package. It'll be interesting to see if the game kicks on for you at 2.

STO is up and running now on D* - I'm Shaker Heights 44120 - I suspect the box was waiting for the zipcode authorization data to come down from the satellite.

BTW, I have Total Choice Plus and the Cleveland Locals. No special sports packages or anything.

Hookbill,

How did you find out that Adelphia would not be doing HD till Friday. I set up to record the 2-6pm block on 798 (adelphia-macedonia) hoping to see todays game when I get home tonight.

Very exciting times!

Does any1 know what games will be avail. in hd on sto?
A schedule would be appreciated.

Here's the schedule:
http://www.sportstimeohio.com/schedule.jsp

All the STO and WKYC home games are in HD. I'm not sure about the away games.

Will this game today be on Dish Network?

Hookbill,

How did you find out that Adelphia would not be doing HD till Friday. I set up to record the 2-6pm block on 798 (adelphia-macedonia) hoping to see todays game when I get home tonight.

Very exciting times!

Hate to disappoint you but you won't be seeing the game today on 798.

Actually the game will be on WKYC in HD on Friday. There is a schedule available at www.sportstimeohio.com. If I recall correctly ALL televised home games will be in HD.

Hate to disappoint you but you won't be seeing the game today on 798.

Actually the game will be on WKYC in HD on Friday. There is a schedule available at STO. If I recall correctly ALL televised home games will be in HD.

Thanks. I miss read the schedule they had on wkyc's site. Though the away games would be HD also.

Wow. Did Adelphia buy out Dish? :D

Been suffering with Dish support for a while. I'm sure I've posted many times blasting them as well and saying they were not much better than the support I get from Adelphia. Everyone's support stinks! ha! :p

HD games -

63 STO games (home only)
20 WKYC games (home and away)

I emailed WKYC Programming Dept. and they said ALL their games will be HD, both home and away.

Quote:
"At this time, all the games that air on WKYC will be in HD. We will air 20 games.
Next season, all games on WKYC and SportsTime Ohio will be in HD."

Edit: Inundated beat me to it :D

Hmmph. During the postgame interview (4:47pm) , D* screen went black and displaying "call ext. 721 to order" message now. Oh well, hopefully they'll flip the switch on again before the next game.

Any one having issues with ota channel 10 woio? I have a dish 811 and when ever I try to watch channel 10 the receiver reboots. Before the reboot it does show that I am getting abour 78-85% signal. I posted over at the DBSTalk site and they said to check over here to see if anyone else was having issues with ota 10.

Thanks for any info.

Brian

Hmmph. During the postgame interview (4:47pm) , D* screen went black and displaying "call ext. 721 to order" message now. Oh well, hopefully they'll flip the switch on again before the next game.

Sounds like someone is confused. When I had MLB Extra Innings on D* that's pretty much what happened when the game ended. No post game, sometimes the third out and wham!

Maybe whomever throws the switch for our area doesn't realize it's a regular channel. Or D* is just choosing to show Indian games and no additional programming.

Doesn't Rupert Murdock own Direct TV and Fox Sports Net? :)

Well, now I have an answer from a different Dish technician. I have an open installation order for next Tuesday to upgrade my HD receiver. Dish tech support just told me that since I have an open order, nothing can be changed on my programming, meaning that since the order was opened before Dish added the station, it can't be added without cancelling the order!

Argh!!!!!
That is total CSR Bull@#*. You are not adding an addional service to your account. STO is a part of your "AT-60+ and above" package, as long as you live in the correct zip code. There is no reason for the CSR to not give you service. I'd play "CSR roulette". Call back and get another CSR, ask for a supevisor if the 2nd CSR turns out to be another yahoo.

Michael, are you getting STO in your Dish program guide? I don't see it and I've read on dbstalk that it should be there. I don't want to call if there's something obvious that I'm not seeing...
BTW: are you looking for the correct channel? It's 431 (right next to FSNO). STO has been in my EPG since yesterday. Today's game appears twice - live at 1:30 and I presume a repeat in prime-time. Oddly tomorrow's game is not yet in the EPG (this was as of last night). I see that the repeat has already started (I'm watching on COX at the moment).

Hmmph. During the postgame interview (4:47pm) , D* screen went black and displaying "call ext. 721 to order" message now. Oh well, hopefully they'll flip the switch on again before the next game.
On COX the game has already started over! (perhaps a bonus because we whipped the Sox 8-2) On E* the game is shown in the EPG to run again in prime-time. Something is wrong with D*. Wait, could it be that the "deal" D* struck excludes rebroadcasts?

If I were a D* customer. I'd call and ask why they cut off the post game show and why they are not showing the rebroadcast.

I just turned on STO on D* CH657, the game is being rebrodcast.

Four things:

1) I believe the DirecTV contract includes not only pre-game and post-game, but whatever other programming STO puts out. DirecTV was actually concerned, if you believe the various press reports, that STO didn't have enough programming to justify the amount of money that was being asked.

2) Adelphia replayed the game on 179, but not on 17...

3) First HD STO game should be Saturday at 5:05 PM against the Twins. As noted here, WKYC/3 has the home opener on Friday (and in HD on WKYC-DT).

4) A friend of mine is getting the run around about Warren, which is not on the STO ZIP code list. A DirecTV CSR answered E-Mail saying Warren should be an STO ZIP code (!??!). I haven't heard if they got the game over there today or not.

That is total CSR Bull@#*. You are not adding an addional service to your account. STO is a part of your "AT-60+ and above" package, as long as you live in the correct zip code. There is no reason for the CSR to not give you service. I'd play "CSR roulette". Call back and get another CSR, ask for a supevisor if the 2nd CSR turns out to be another yahoo.

BTW: are you looking for the correct channel? It's 431 (right next to FSNO). STO has been in my EPG since yesterday. Today's game appears twice - live at 1:30 and I presume a repeat in prime-time. Oddly tomorrow's game is not yet in the EPG (this was as of last night). I see that the repeat has already started (I'm watching on COX at the moment).

I knew the correct channel number; it just doesn't appear in my program guide...

This was the second CSR that told me this. She stated that if ANY new channel would be added during the period that the order was open I would not get it until the order was completed.

The first CSR just had me do a bunch of tests and resets and then suggested that a technician might have to come out (thus the Adelphia crack from earlier!) I was gone all day and it still isn't there. I'll probably call again tomorrow to see if I can get any other excuse.

431 first appeared in my guide when my dish got blown out of alignment. My guide had no channels until I reaimed the dish. When it reloaded there was STO!

Did the first CSR have you disconnect the satellite dish input (while leaving the IRD plugged in for several hours)? It's an extreme method, perhaps it only works with the 921. Anyway it was totally by accident (and mother nature beating up my pole mounted dish).

I thought the STO broadcast looked really sharp, can't wait to see HD this week.

The graphics look great and the broadcast was done really well, compared to other team broadcasts. Though they're not quite YES Network, they're definitely not as obnoxious as Fox.

Wondering when my TiVo will update the guide to add STO to Adelphia 179, currently I have to manually hit it.

Wondering when my TiVo will update the guide to add STO to Adelphia 179, currently I have to manually hit it.

Someone told me a long time ago that Zap2it.com uses the same information on it's guide that TiVo uses (probably Inundated). I've noticed that channel 179 is not listed on that guide either.

STO Channel 657 has disappeared from the guide this morning on D* ....

*sigh*

Someone told me a long time ago that Zap2it.com uses the same information on it's guide that TiVo uses (probably Inundated). I've noticed that channel 179 is not listed on that guide either.

That is correct, and yes, it was me :)

TiVo uses Tribune Media Services - you'll see that copyright information at the bottom of every TiVo listing's "info" screen when you're in a show - and so does Zap2It.

A check this morning shows no 179/SPTOH yet, but they did add WKYC's Weather Plus (183) in both places a while ago...

STO Channel 657 has disappeared from the guide this morning on D* ....

*sigh*

Maybe they're gonna keep pushing it out and putting it back in since it's an occasional feed? :D Maybe it'll show up again tonight before the game...

Anybody else getting the "channel not purchased message" on Directv 657 right now during the pregame? I watched part of the rebroadcast of yesterdays game last night and it worked fine.

Thanks.

Channel popped on right 2:00pm. Missed the pregame but it looks like I'll get to watch the game itself. Teething problem with Directv I guess.

TimeWarner in Akron, has Channel 23 blacked out. Have to watch it on WGN instead.

TimeWarner in Akron, has Channel 23 blacked out. Have to watch it on WGN instead.

You have to call them. There's no way that should happen, as TWC is STO's main carrier!

Adelphia had todays pregame but DirecTV seems not to be carrying the pregame. I wonder why??

Adelphia had todays pregame but DirecTV seems not to be carrying the pregame. I wonder why??

Still some glitches, it appears, all the way around on DirecTV with STO. It'll probably take them a week or two to get it right.

Is D* carrying the game itself? I know Adelphia is, as I'm watching it in another window here :)

I'm repeating myself but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the way D* works it. Not the correct way, but it seems that they are treating it like they do their MLB Extra innings. Game only, no pregame and no post game.

WKYC'S Pregame starts tomorrow 2 hours before the game. I don't know if that is going to be in HD but the game is suppose to. Adelphia does not have the "HD" symbol in their description, but they miss that frequently.

Added: Zap2it.com doesn't list it as a HD game either on WKYC-DT. I have been listening for a mention of it being in HD during the promos when the announcers have talked about it but they haven't mentioned it either.

I know WKYC has confirmed all home games and away games in HD, but it's funny that neither guide has it listed that way and that the announcers arn't talking about it.

Hope we're not in for a disappointment.

I'm repeating myself but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the way D* works it. Not the correct way, but it seems that they are treating it like they do their MLB Extra innings. Game only, no pregame and no post game.

As mentioned before, D* was quite adamant in the discussions with STO that there should be more than Indians' programming. Though it may not be showing up now, at some point, they will HAVE to have the pre-game and post-game.

The release about D* signing up with STO references the network's upcoming future non-game programming being seen on the service, so why would pre-game/post-game not be? I think it's just a "first week glitch".


WKYC'S Pregame starts tomorrow 2 hours before the game. I don't know if that is going to be in HD but the game is suppose to. Adelphia does not have the "HD" symbol in their description, but they miss that frequently.


None of the NBC HD programming on WKYC-DT 703 has "HD" in the description. I once blamed myself for this, as I'm the one who alerted them when WKYC-DT first showed up with NO programming in the guide, and told them that they could just copy channel 3 :D

But if Zap2It and other services don't have it, this is just a glitch.


I know WKYC has confirmed all home games and away games in HD, but it's funny that neither guide has it listed that way and that the announcers arn't talking about it.

Hope we're not in for a disappointment.

All the WKYC games will be in HD. Wanna bet a dinner or something on it? ;)

As for Dish, they are now claiming technical problems as to why I'm not getting STO at this point. Of course, I haven't heard of anyone else not able to get the channel via DISH!

As for Dish, they are now claiming technical problems as to why I'm not getting STO at this point. Of course, I haven't heard of anyone else not able to get the channel via DISH!

It appears Dish Network is just one big technical problem. :D

Adelphia Bankruptcy Vote Delayed

By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 4/5/2006 11:36:00 AM

A U.S. bankruptcy court has moved the deadline for a vote on cable operator Adelphia's bankruptcy reorganization to 4 p.m. May 14.

The date had been Friday, April 6, for the vote.

The FCC is still reviewing the proposed divvying up of Adelphia between Time Warner and Comcast. All of those parties have talked with the FCC about coordinating its consideration of the deal with the bankruptcy process.

All the WKYC games will be in HD. Wanna bet a dinner or something on it?

No, I think they will show it in HD too. I just wanted to get a little action going in here. Get a few folks fired up. Cause a little controversy.

But no, you gotta come along and spoil it for me.;)

But no, you gotta come along and spoil it for me.;)

You pot-stirrer, you.... :D

All the WKYC games will be in HD. Wanna bet a dinner or something on it? ;)

All of the home games will be in HD, be it on WKYC or STO. They're shooting with Sony HDC-910s. (http://www.sonybiz.net/b2b/sony-business-de/16103-sony-deutschland-new-sony-high-definition-studio-camera-offers-value-added-alternative-to-standard-definition-cameras.html)

All of the home games will be in HD, be it on WKYC or STO. They're shooting with Sony HDC-910s. (http://www.sonybiz.net/b2b/sony-business-de/16103-sony-deutschland-new-sony-high-definition-studio-camera-offers-value-added-alternative-to-standard-definition-cameras.html)


So, being the greedy bastards we HDTVers are, I had to wonder, how can WKYC do all those away games on their schedule, in various cities, and have HD facilities available, and STO cannot? i.e., why are we not going to see *any* away games in HD on STO?

In other words, I would think the expense WKYC would outlay over a mere 20 games, each game in a different city, setting up and tearing down for one game a week would be a much lower ROI than STO setting up for a 3 or 4 game series in a given town....

Yeah, I knew that...I was just clarifying Hookbill's concern about Friday's home opener. :D



Well, they are predicting rain tomorrow. It doesn't look like it will get rained out at this point but there may be a delay.

But if the game does get rained out, they wouldn't be showing it in HD now, would they?

Maybe I should take Inundated up on the bet after all. :D :D :D

What's going on with this board? How could I quote Inundated and have my post appear before his?

The time says Inundated posted at 4:22 pm TODAY. Impossible!

So, being the greedy bastards we HDTVers are, I had to wonder, how can WKYC do all those away games on their schedule, in various cities, and have HD facilities available, and STO cannot? i.e., why are we not going to see *any* away games in HD on STO?

In other words, I would think the expense WKYC would outlay over a mere 20 games, each game in a different city, setting up and tearing down for one game a week would be a much lower ROI than STO setting up for a 3 or 4 game series in a given town....
They are probably taking advantage of the HD cameras they know are aready installed in those locations (most MLB ballparks had HD for at least part of last season, based on the games I was able to view on InHD.) They can put their own graphics over the raw game feed and, if a second control room is available, they can even mix their own feed from the available cameras.

The sound on the Indians STO game in NEO land was broken last night.

I called TWC this morning and they told me they had or were fixing it :rolleyes:

I asked them about channel 55 going to 117 and they said it was staying at 55 but you may still see it at 117.

TWC has duplicated channels in the 700 - 714 range. The tech support person said they are planning a "family package" to be offered soon.

Finally I asked about software updates to my 8300 HD. I mentioned that Raleigh, NC TWC had new stuff. She said that "Raleigh is a first roll out for new software for NEO land". So, Raleigh find those bugs and lets get moving on the SATA PASSPORT software soon. :)

Let me edit this message with an "offical" e-mail response from TWC NEO rep:

"1. Animal Planet may be being aired on 117. A last minute decision was made not to move Animal Planet from our Expanded Basic tier to the Digital service, but our technical group had already put the change in motion and it was, for a period of time, physically moved. This has since been moved back to its original location, but may still be airing on the secondary channel. Animal Planet will officially remain on its old channel, so nothing is or will be officially on 117 at this time.

When I stated that there was no scheduled "replacement" on the Expanded service for Animal Planet, I meant that no other channel was taking its place when it moved. I am sorry you misunderstood this, and, fortunately, the move was avoided by a last minute deal so there was no need for a replacement channel.

2. The channels in the 700 series are part of our "Family Choice Tier". Family Choice is a new level of service which we are launching this spring. More information on Family Choice is available on our website at http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/familychoice.html.

3. These are simulcasts of channels we already carry in other places...grouped together so we may offer them in the Family Choice Tier. As you've obviously proven, all our regular digital customers can see these channels, but they are not there as part of the digital service and would not be listed on our regular lineups. If you wish to view those channels on the 700 series position that is fine, or you could also view them--fully digital--in their regular positions as well.

4. I apologize that the website has not been updated, but it is in process and we expect all of the lineups to be updated soon. The most up-to-date lineups, and the ones easiest to print, would be the pdf versions of our printed price and channel brochures, found on the "pricing and packaging" web page, at http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/customer/pricing.html. "

What's going on with this board? How could I quote Inundated and have my post appear before his?

The time says Inundated posted at 4:22 pm TODAY. Impossible!
I wondered the same thing. This morning after I posted my message, I noticed another message posted below it on the same topic with a posting time of Today at 4:22 p.m., almost 6 hours into the future! Now that message has disappeared... will it show up again after 4:22 p.m.?? Strange!

I wondered the same thing. This morning after I posted my message, I noticed another message posted below it on the same topic with a posting time of Today at 4:22 p.m., almost 6 hours into the future! Now that message has disappeared... will it show up again after 4:22 p.m.?? Strange!

I "reported" it and apparently they deleted Inundateds message. Either that or Inundated deleted it himself.

Wide Open West is not showing the STO HD channel 221 in the guide yet...

I am getting the analog STO channel 72 - just a black screen with STO's satellite feed "no signal" message on it. I wonder if this is why D* flips the switch before and after the game, so they don't get confused calls from customers thinking the "no signal" is a D* problem when it's really an STO issue...

E* puts up the "Season Ticket" card whenever there is no feed from STO. Tuesday evening they made a special card up becuase the EPG showed that there was a replay of the afternoon game during prime time, but it was unavailable. STO ran the replay immediately after the postgame show (saw it on COX), so it was over by 8 PM (the time that the replay was scheduled to START in the E* EPG).

OOPS "What we have here is failure to communicate."

I "reported" it and apparently they deleted Inundateds message. Either that or Inundated deleted it himself.

Don't you realize yet that I'm all powerful and can travel ahead in time? ;)

No, actually, look up at the top of each forum, for a message in huge subject print by David Bott, the owner of AVS Forum. One of his servers got out of sync and he had to delete a few hundred "future" messages (like mine)...

They are probably taking advantage of the HD cameras they know are aready installed in those locations (most MLB ballparks had HD for at least part of last season, based on the games I was able to view on InHD.) They can put their own graphics over the raw game feed and, if a second control room is available, they can even mix their own feed from the available cameras.

And much to the same effect, STO's HD cameras at Jacobs Field this year help other broadcasters offer away games with the Indians in HD.

That still doesn't explain the Royals and Devil Rays being on WKYC's away schedule in HD, but they could just bring in cameras for a handful of games.

So, being the greedy bastards we HDTVers are, I had to wonder, how can WKYC do all those away games on their schedule, in various cities, and have HD facilities available, and STO cannot? i.e., why are we not going to see *any* away games in HD on STO?

My understanding is that the only games which will be in HD are the home games, regardless of whether they're STO or 'KYC games.

I'm not sure WHAT DirecTV paid for STO, but IF they only show a FEW games a week, with NO other programming, than The Indians should have PAID DirecTV !!
Four things:

1) I believe the DirecTV contract includes not only pre-game and post-game, but whatever other programming STO puts out. DirecTV was actually concerned, if you believe the various press reports, that STO didn't have enough programming to justify the amount of money that was being asked.

My understanding is that the only games which will be in HD are the home games, regardless of whether they're STO or 'KYC games.

WKYC has frequently said that all 20 of its games will be in HD.

http://www.wkyc.com/sports/sports_article.aspx?storyid=50225


All 20 games on WKYC and the "over the air" network will be available in High Definition (HD) and feature a 30-minute pregame show and a post-game show immediately following each game.


Though oddly enough, this quote is not actually 100% accurate...as the non-WKYC over-air affiliates (WYFX/WLIO/WWHO/WICU-WSEE) won't be able to run the games in HD. WYFX/WKBN's engineer said that the feed to the affiliates via satellite will be only in SD.

But WKYC itself will air the games in HD.

My understanding is that the only games which will be in HD are the home games, regardless of whether they're STO or 'KYC games.

As Inundated stated WKYC is showing all games on HD home or away. There just isn't a whole bunch of games away.

So your understanding is incorrect. :)

I'm not sure WHAT DirecTV paid for STO, but IF they only show a FEW games a week, with NO other programming, than The Indians should have PAID DirecTV !!

If I were a DTV subscriber I'd be calling them and asking wtf is up? Sometimes it's difficult to get them to recognize a problem. You don't like what the CSR says? Speak to a supervisor.

As Inundated stated WKYC is showing all games on HD home or away. There just isn't a whole bunch of games away.

So your understanding is incorrect. :)

As expected, the Indians pre-game is in HD. Screen caps to follow.

(The 90 minute "special" before pre-game was not in HD, and was in WKYC's glorious stretch-o-vision...)

Dugout shot, pre-game:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f253/Inundated/indianshd1.jpg

American flag unfurled onto the field, pre-game:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f253/Inundated/indianshd2.jpg

I'm getting only 5.0 Dolby Digital (no .1 subwoofer).

By the way, I noticed that Channel 798 on Adelphia shows the April 10th Cavs game as the next HD event, not mentioning Saturday's Indians game.

And much to the same effect, STO's HD cameras at Jacobs Field this year help other broadcasters offer away games with the Indians in HD.

That still doesn't explain the Royals and Devil Rays being on WKYC's away schedule in HD, but they could just bring in cameras for a handful of games.


Not if they don't have those feeds available. Let alone cross conversion from 1080i to 720p.

It's not just bringing in a bunch of cameras. It's bringing in more expensive HD truck, HD transmission (sat truck), possibly renting an HD Tanberg encoder (fiber or satellite), etc...

Not if they don't have those feeds available. Let alone cross conversion from 1080i to 720p.

It's not just bringing in a bunch of cameras. It's bringing in more expensive HD truck, HD transmission (sat truck), possibly renting an HD Tanberg encoder (fiber or satellite), etc...

Well, as I said, I don't know what's all involved...I was just speculating that the presence of built-in HD cameras and some infrastructure helps in making away games easier to put on.

That said, it appears that whatever else needs to be done (as you describe), WKYC has committed to do this year for the away games.

By the way, I noticed that Channel 798 on Adelphia shows the April 10th Cavs game as the next HD event, not mentioning Saturday's Indians game.

Well, for what it's worth, Adelphia 798 is replaying the WKYC game from earlier today...the pre-game's on now, and it's in HD. So I assume it's just that they haven't updated that text.

Well, as I said, I don't know what's all involved...I was just speculating that the presence of built-in HD cameras and some infrastructure helps in making away games easier to put on.

That said, it appears that whatever else needs to be done (as you describe), WKYC has committed to do this year for the away games.

They pulled it off, but it certainly didn't make it any easier for the Minnesota (SD) feed, or anyone else coming in there.

Does Adelphia just go to black/grey during local commercial breaks on STO HD? I thought I lost my signal, then turned to 179 and found it in SD, then when the game came back from break it was on the HD channel.

As Inundated stated WKYC is showing all games on HD home or away. There just isn't a whole bunch of games away.

So your understanding is incorrect. :)

Thank you, Phil. Gonna go back to my source again and ask for more details.

CK

Does Adelphia just go to black/grey during local commercial breaks on STO HD? I thought I lost my signal, then turned to 179 and found it in SD, then when the game came back from break it was on the HD channel.

STO HD on 798 has been showing the game complete with breaks - I assume the same spots that ran on WKYC earlier, though I haven't kept track.

Unless it ran earlier this evening, 17 is not running the game...only 179 and 598.

They pulled it off, but it certainly didn't make it any easier for the Minnesota (SD) feed, or anyone else coming in there.

You've kinda danced around this, but I'd like the answer to a question -

Does the fact that Jacobs Field is set up for HD in-house (for STO and WKYC) make it easier for other broadcasters doing HD feeds? Not the SD stuff, but the HD. Conversely, is it easier for WKYC to do an HD away game when going into Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park, where the local broadcaster can do HD?

i.e. - can they pick up camera feeds, etc.?

I realize that WKYC and other incoming away broadcasters may need to bring in HD production trucks and the like...I just wonder if the other stuff (built-in HD cameras, feeds that could be shared) makes any difference for an away TV broadcast team coming into an HD-equipped ballpark.

I won't bring it up again, because I'm starting to look like an idiot on this topic. :D

While we're talking about the Indians' replay (WKYC HD replay on STO) - I'm noticing both on my Fusion tuner and upstairs that the sound is about a half-second ahead of the picture.

I'm not noticing the sound problem on Adelphia 179 (digital SD), and didn't notice it on WKYC-DT in HD live earlier today. Only on 798's replay...

After all was said in done would you believe I hardly saw any of the game? I decided to teach my wife a lesson so I went out and bought some new sound equipment. I was so busy setting that up and trying to get my Harmony remote to work with it I hardly even got to look at the actual game.

I did however get to watch the Dodgers and Phillies on MLB Extra Innings and I'm quite please with my improved sound set up.

Oh, and as far as my wife goes? Well apparently she set up some type of email notice if anything over 200 bucks goes on the debit card and she busted me about 45 minutes after I got home.

Now I love technology as much as the next guy, but shouldn't this be illegal? ;)

Did anyone else have any audio problems on OTA WKYC tonight? During Las Vegas I was picking up another audio feed under the show audio. It ended up being the audio from the Cleveland Indians game. I turned another tv to STO and the crowd audio on STO matched perfectly to the background audio I was getting on WKYC.

STO HD on 798 has been showing the game complete with breaks - I assume the same spots that ran on WKYC earlier, though I haven't kept track.

Unless it ran earlier this evening, 17 is not running the game...only 179 and 598.



You've kinda danced around this, but I'd like the answer to a question -

Does the fact that Jacobs Field is set up for HD in-house (for STO and WKYC) make it easier for other broadcasters doing HD feeds? Not the SD stuff, but the HD. Conversely, is it easier for WKYC to do an HD away game when going into Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park, where the local broadcaster can do HD?

i.e. - can they pick up camera feeds, etc.?

I realize that WKYC and other incoming away broadcasters may need to bring in HD production trucks and the like...I just wonder if the other stuff (built-in HD cameras, feeds that could be shared) makes any difference for an away TV broadcast team coming into an HD-equipped ballpark.

I won't bring it up again, because I'm starting to look like an idiot on this topic. :D

True, Jacob's Field is better for HD broadcasters in the sense that the home show offers several share cameras in HD, and yes even the cross conversion to an ESPN show or other 720p show still looks great. So what's this mean to us at home? If ESPN comes in and say hires five camera operators, but they can share several of the basic angles, it opens up broadcasters, both home, away and network to more angles. Like a cool low home, or tight center. Personally, I love the addition of the camera on the edge of the Pepsi Porch on the left field foul pole looking in.

Is Jacob's Field now wired better? They're really using the same wires they've used since the ballpark opened in 1994, just pumping an HD signal down it to a tiny truck that then fibers those signals back to WKYC. So it's not that the stadium now offers any extra wiring.

Yes, it maybe easier to do a Fenway/Yankee show because they offer more shares of HD cameras, but that really only helps the tape room, because you're so afraid of getting whipped pan by the other broadcaster when you take their camera live. So in one respect it can hinder the show, because now they have so many cams, and not enough tape to isolate it to, that you may lose a great replay of action because the producer wanted to try some toy robo camera just because they don't normally have it.

What I love about all this is that it's just another broadcaster added to the list that's all HD (at home), and it sends the message throughout that league that it's time to do HD. Look at how FSN Ohio scrambled to put HD games on the Cavs after the Indians owner said he was never able to see his team in HD (though I think he forgot the handful of times ESPN HD was in town) :)

Message to cseajs - So that's what that was! I heard it coming out of my rear speakers (even on commercials) and thought it was supposed to be people "buzz" in the casino, I had no idea it was actually people "buzz" at a baseball game! Vegas is usually a very nice and discrete 5.1 mix with dialog dead on center, music L and R, and atmosphere in the surrounds. Now I know they somehow legalized Vegas gambling at Jacobs Field.
Message to Hookbill- So woddya get?

Watching the Indians OTA in HD was just fine except for the maybe 8 db low volume compared to the other channels. The Masters was perfect.

JJK

Message to Hookbill- So woddya get?

I picked up a pair of Polk R20 speakers for 50 bucks and bought a new amplifier, a Sony STR-De698. My Pioneer was a "complete" home theater system but it didn't have enough juice. I can rock the house no with this puppy. Plus it really compliments my Acoustic Research Wireless Speakers, I get a great deal less noise because it's powerful enough that I don't have to crank the speakers up as high to get a decent volume.

Anybody else notice that the HD feed was sans-commercials? :D At least during the 8th and 9th innings when I got home (I saw the beginning of the game in glorius analog SD in a waiting room). There were commercials on the analog channel 3, but I saw none on the digital. For those of you who watched the entire game on WKYC-DT was the entire game like this?

When I got home and fired up the 921 the first thing I saw was a SportsTime Ohio logo and the live audio from Jacobs Field. I saw this happen at least twice during the breaks between the top and bottom of the 8th and the top of the 9th.

I did catch the SD replay on E* ch 421 (and recorded it on the 921) :)

True, Jacob's Field is better for HD broadcasters in the sense that the home show offers several share cameras in HD, and yes even the cross conversion to an ESPN show or other 720p show still looks great. So what's this mean to us at home? If ESPN comes in and say hires five camera operators, but they can share several of the basic angles, it opens up broadcasters, both home, away and network to more angles. Like a cool low home, or tight center. Personally, I love the addition of the camera on the edge of the Pepsi Porch on the left field foul pole looking in.

Is Jacob's Field now wired better? They're really using the same wires they've used since the ballpark opened in 1994, just pumping an HD signal down it to a tiny truck that then fibers those signals back to WKYC. So it's not that the stadium now offers any extra wiring.

Yes, it maybe easier to do a Fenway/Yankee show because they offer more shares of HD cameras, but that really only helps the tape room, because you're so afraid of getting whipped pan by the other broadcaster when you take their camera live. So in one respect it can hinder the show, because now they have so many cams, and not enough tape to isolate it to, that you may lose a great replay of action because the producer wanted to try some toy robo camera just because they don't normally have it.

What I love about all this is that it's just another broadcaster added to the list that's all HD (at home), and it sends the message throughout that league that it's time to do HD. Look at how FSN Ohio scrambled to put HD games on the Cavs after the Indians owner said he was never able to see his team in HD (though I think he forgot the handful of times ESPN HD was in town) :)


I don't believe there is much sharing between RSN's and ESPN of stadium cameras. Anybody who has been to a game at Jacobs Field should notice that there are always two cameras in each camera bay. I believe the reason for this is due to the fact that each network has their own director who calls the shots. Say that network A's director asked the 3 base camera to do a wide shot down the foul line while network B's director wants a close up of an outfielder. If the camera was shared that would be impossible. "No cameraman can serve two masters" :D There are probably union restrictions as well.

Now that HD has arrived, all the camera bays have to be outfitted with a pair of HD cameras (just as today there are a pair of SD cameras).

If WKYC carries an away game in HD then STO should be able to carry the rest of that series in HD as well. I havn't seen the schedule (to see when and where WKYC will carry an away game), however I'm willing to bet that STO might be willing to take that option with the rest of a series. If Fridays become the WKYC nite, then forget STO carrying the rest of that series, if the Saturday game is in the afternoon (if we can get it at all) it will be on FOX.

After watching the home opener, it appears that the WKYC games will have an identical look and feel to the "cable" games (same graphics, same announcers etc.).

Except that Jim Donovan won't be doing any cable STO games.

WEWS chief engineer is John Workman.

John Workman no longer works at WEWS. Neither does Jim B. They have been gone for a year or so.
:(

Is Jacob's Field now wired better? They're really using the same wires they've used since the ballpark opened in 1994, just pumping an HD signal down it to a tiny truck that then fibers those signals back to WKYC. So it's not that the stadium now offers any extra wiring.


They pulled a mess of new fibers and other cabling from the camera positions to the aggregation point. I do not believe these are intended to be pool cameras.

I'm getting only 5.0 Dolby Digital (no .1 subwoofer).

My new receiver is showing me 3/2....or 5.0, I'm not seeing the .1 either.

Anyone else notice the intermittent loss of audio (sync?) followed by a funky digital noise after resumption of audio? Didn't yet check to see if it is also happening on the SD feed or not...

Anyone else notice the intermittent loss of audio (sync?) followed by a funky digital noise after resumption of audio? Didn't yet check to see if it is also happening on the SD feed or not...

Yes, it's very annoying!

D* has screwed up this afternoon's game. Just tuned in to see STO Channel 657 is there, but blacked out and has "call ext. 721 to order message", dammit...

Anyone else notice the intermittent loss of audio (sync?) followed by a funky digital noise after resumption of audio? Didn't yet check to see if it is also happening on the SD feed or not... Irritating isn't it. :(

Just going by memory, it seems to me that the STO HD feed looks better (a bit sharper with truer colors) than yesterday's WKYC HD. A side by side comparison could easily prove me wrong, but that's my impression.

D* has screwed up this afternoon's game. Just tuned in to see STO Channel 657 is there, but blacked out and has "call ext. 721 to order message", dammit...

Tell them that if they keep screwing up you will switch to cable. Tell them all about the Series 3 TiVo coming out soon.

They probably will at least give you a credit or something. :)

Can someone please explain fusion and QAM tuner.
Are you saying to take QAM tuner and hook Adelphia feed to it and I will pick uo HD channels?
I watch HD thru DTV
Thanks

I'm also getting the very occasional one second audio breaks on STO's HD feed (Adelphia 798). Just happened again in a commercial break. It shows up about once every 2-3 minutes or so (guess). I hear no odd noises when it resumes, it just resumes.

Can someone please explain fusion and QAM tuner.
Are you saying to take QAM tuner and hook Adelphia feed to it and I will pick uo HD channels?


The Fusion tuner cards for PC and the USB version (which I have) have QAM tuning, which means they pick up the standard cable companies use. A lot of stuff is encrypted, so you won't see it (including channels in the HD tier like ESPNHD/ESPN2HD), but a number of things are in the open.

Among them - all the network affiliate HD feeds that Adelphia carries (NBC/ABC/FOX/CBS/PBS, i.e. the HD/DT versions of 3/5/8/19/25), and some surprises, like Discovery HD and the "HD Bonus" channel (local sports like STO's Indians games and FSN Ohio HD's Cavs games).

It can't really be guaranteed that you'll always get that stuff in the clear, but the channels are listed as "Broadcast HD" for now. Reportedly, federal law requires Adelphia to send the DT versions of 3/5/8/19/25 in the clear, but I've never seen the cite for that...

You pick up all this stuff even with the most basic Adelphia subscription, as far as I know... it doesn't require an HD Pack subscription. But then again, with an HD box, you should pick it up without that, either...(3/5/8/19/25, Discovery HD, HD Bonus)

Those getting the one second audio breaks on STO's HD feed - are you all Adelphia folks? Or is it on other systems?

And this may be on my end, but the sound synchronization is still a BIT off...not as bad as the STO replay of the WKYC game Friday night, but about a fraction of a second off.

Anyone else notice the intermittent loss of audio (sync?) followed by a funky digital noise after resumption of audio? Didn't yet check to see if it is also happening on the SD feed or not...

Glad to know I am not the only one who heard this. I thought the problem might be my setup. I don't subscribe to digital cable, I'm using an LG QAM tuner.

The good news is that STO HD is "in the clear", at least for now. I hope they can clean up the audio. I tried listening to WTAM while watching, but the video was too far behind the audio. I couldn't deal with the announcer calling the strikeout before the ball made it to the plate.

Those getting the one second audio breaks on STO's HD feed - are you all Adelphia folks? Or is it on other systems?

And this may be on my end, but the sound synchronization is still a BIT off...not as bad as the STO replay of the WKYC game Friday night, but about a fraction of a second off.

Yes, Adelphia in Lyndhurst.

Glad to know I am not the only one who heard this. I thought the problem might be my setup. I don't subscribe to digital cable, I'm using an LG QAM tuner.

I'm using a Fusion USB QAM tuner, but I also hear the sound problem upstairs off of my SA8300 HD DVR.

And it appears 798 is designed to be "in the clear"...Adelphia's lineup lists it as "Broadcast HD", along with Discovery HD (also in the clear) and the network affiliates:


798
HD BONUS FEATURES HD Bonus Features Broadcast HD (High Definition)


Who knows if this will change whenever TWC takes us over, tho...

D* has screwed up this afternoon's game. Just tuned in to see STO Channel 657 is there, but blacked out and has "call ext. 721 to order message", dammit...

I spent about 30 minutes on the phone with D* this afternoon. I went thru the usual "unplug the receiver..plug it back in....do you see the channel now?" routine. They finally got it to show up on one of my three receivers.Then they bumped me up to level 2 where they tried to convince me that it was supposed to be blacked out and that I wasnt supposed to be getting the game on the one receiver that I was receiving it on.

I asked them why STO would even turn on the cameras if the game was blacked out to the only area that STO reaches. They really didn't have an answer for that one.

To make matters worse, I had to call them back as 2 of my three receivers weren't getting any channels after I got off the phone with them. :mad:

They seem to be treating it like a MLB EI game. Cutting off the pre and post game and blacking out the game in the home markets. Hopefully they'll figure this out pretty quick. This was the second time I've called them about this problem.

I'm also getting the very occasional one second audio breaks on STO's HD feed (Adelphia 798). Just happened again in a commercial break. It shows up about once every 2-3 minutes or so (guess). I hear no odd noises when it resumes, it just resumes.



The Fusion tuner cards for PC and the USB version (which I have) have QAM tuning, which means they pick up the standard cable companies use. A lot of stuff is encrypted, so you won't see it (including channels in the HD tier like ESPNHD/ESPN2HD), but a number of things are in the open.

Among them - all the network affiliate HD feeds that Adelphia carries (NBC/ABC/FOX/CBS/PBS, i.e. the HD/DT versions of 3/5/8/19/25), and some surprises, like Discovery HD and the "HD Bonus" channel (local sports like STO's Indians games and FSN Ohio HD's Cavs games).

It can't really be guaranteed that you'll always get that stuff in the clear, but the channels are listed as "Broadcast HD" for now. Reportedly, federal law requires Adelphia to send the DT versions of 3/5/8/19/25 in the clear, but I've never seen the cite for that...

You pick up all this stuff even with the most basic Adelphia subscription, as far as I know... it doesn't require an HD Pack subscription. But then again, with an HD box, you should pick it up without that, either...(3/5/8/19/25, Discovery HD, HD Bonus)


Is there a box that just takes the cable feed and plugs into a HD ready tv and where do you buy it?
Thanks

I apologize if someone has answered this - -but this is a long thread and i dont want to sit down and read the whole thing

has DIRECTV announced the day the us clevelanders will get our LOCAL HD channels?? i heard it was this month -- but no definitive date?/ can anyone shed some light??

has DIRECTV announced the day the us clevelanders will get our LOCAL HD channels?? i heard it was this month -- but no definitive date?/ can anyone shed some light??

Not that I've seen. The last thing I heard was the next group of markets were supposed to roll out in the April to June time frame. I hadn't heard that were were actually supposed to be in April, just that we were in the next group.

I may wait for the next gen "slimline" dish anyway. The current mpeg4 dish doesn't really blend in that well and I can get all the channel ota anyway.

Sorry, this probably doesn't help much.

Is there a box that just takes the cable feed and plugs into a HD ready tv and where do you buy it?
Thanks

I believe some of the LG external tuners do QAM.

Look for some examples here:

http://us.lge.com/products/category/list/tv|audio|video_digital%20video.jhtml

Here's an example of one, the 4200:

http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/tv|audio|video_digital%20video__LST-4200A.jhtml

I have no idea who sells them, tho.

Curious - are there any of you DirecTV folks in the heart of the market (Cleveland/Akron, etc.) who COULD watch the Indians on STO this afternoon without invoking customer service?

Curious - are there any of you DirecTV folks in the heart of the market (Cleveland/Akron, etc.) who COULD watch the Indians on STO this afternoon without invoking customer service?


Live in Bath and game was there with no calls to customer service. Same for other games

Live in Bath and game was there with no calls to customer service. Same for other games

Really...that's interesting. I think you may be farther away from Cleveland than I am and it sure didn't show up in Aurora...at least not at my house. :confused:

I don't believe there is much sharing between RSN's and ESPN of stadium cameras. Anybody who has been to a game at Jacobs Field should notice that there are always two cameras in each camera bay. I believe the reason for this is due to the fact that each network has their own director who calls the shots. Say that network A's director asked the 3 base camera to do a wide shot down the foul line while network B's director wants a close up of an outfielder. If the camera was shared that would be impossible. "No cameraman can serve two masters" :D There are probably union restrictions as well.

Now that HD has arrived, all the camera bays have to be outfitted with a pair of HD cameras (just as today there are a pair of SD cameras).


Since I work as a technical director for ESPN I can vouch that there are times we share feeds, all that means is that the RSN's video signal comes into the truck, tape room and switcher, with no communications with the operator, you take what you get, and there's no dueling directors. The FSN RSN's are doing these "dual feeds" where they share many more resources all out of one truck, and there's still not dueling communications, but there are green tally lights to the shared camera that says the other feed is using your images.

Some side-by-side cameras are Jumbotron. Other times you'll still take a feed to get a look from the camera closest to the dugout since the league regulates who gets those camera positions.

The camera bays didn't have to be outfitted for HD because most trucks use the same triax cable to provide an SD or HD signal to a truck.

There are no union restrictions to shared feeds, because the networks work that into their contract. Also, ESPN is non-union as are STO and FSN here in Cleveland. Union contracts in sports TV deal more with healthcare, overtime, pay for running extra equipment or working a pre and post game show.

They seem to be treating it like a MLB EI game. Cutting off the pre and post game and blacking out the game in the home markets. Hopefully they'll figure this out pretty quick. This was the second time I've called them about this problem.

Hmmmm...seems I remember someone else saying that very same thing....... ;)

Really...that's interesting. I think you may be farther away from Cleveland than I am and it sure didn't show up in Aurora...at least not at my house. :confused:

Wow. I'm right on the Aurora/Bainbridge border and I got the whole game, bad sound and all.

Of course I use cable, not Direct TV. And I would NEVER suggest switching to Adelphia, but all that crap they gave you would certainly get me thinking.

Has anyone tried to contact SPORTSTIME OHIO about this DIRECTV thing? No pre/post game and then no Saturday game carried. What the heck is going on?
If not for TIVO I would bolt to ADELPHIA in a second.

Has anyone tried to contact SPORTSTIME OHIO about this DIRECTV thing? No pre/post game and then no Saturday game carried. What the heck is going on?
If not for TIVO I would bolt to ADELPHIA in a second.

I came here just to say this and you beat me to the punch. :)

Yes contact STO and do it before todays game. Why get cheated again? If they are not showing the games they are in breach of contract. Let STO take care of this.

Has anyone tried to contact SPORTSTIME OHIO about this DIRECTV thing? No pre/post game and then no Saturday game carried. What the heck is going on?
If not for TIVO I would bolt to ADELPHIA in a second.

Here's the problem - there is NO contact for STO - I can't find one. Hell, I can't even find a media contact on the official indians.com website. No front office email contacts of any kind. STO has a generic email form connected to the "Ask STO" button here:
http://www.sportstimeohio.com/index.jsp

... but it's the crappy form that MLB.com uses to enter sweepstakes and such (i.e., why do they need to know my birthdate??)

Update: I just called the Indians front office, and talked to a very nice gentleman there who is VERY aware of the DirecTV problem. He said yesterday was not a good day for them -- they got a number of calls yesterday complaining about the D* screwup. He urged us to call DirecTV and complain. I got the impression D* is playing the blame game and saying it was STO's fault when in fact it was not.

Just talked to D*. Customer Service rep said I should have received the game. She said they probably had some problem. But, also got good news. She read all of her internal e-mails regarding STO and said beginning May we would get the Indian games in HD. She didn't know what channel would be used for carrying the HD. Hope she is right!

Not that I've seen. The last thing I heard was the next group of markets were supposed to roll out in the April to June time frame. I hadn't heard that were were actually supposed to be in April, just that we were in the next group.

I may wait for the next gen "slimline" dish anyway. The current mpeg4 dish doesn't really blend in that well and I can get all the channel ota anyway.

Sorry, this probably doesn't help much.

I've previously heard that it would happen in May.

She didn't know what channel would be used for carrying the HD. Hope she is right!

Probably when they start the local's in HD. So we'll be able to get them in HD on KYC, but it will require $500+ in equipment upgrades. :rolleyes:

Not that I think about it, you are probably right about HD being available when we get locals HD via D*. What they will do is make a "spot beam" available for the local market (STO) like they do for the other HD locals (i.e., 3-1, 5-1, 19-1, etc.). From what I've read though, it won't cost $500. You will be able to trade-in your current STB and have the new dish installed for something like $99. I'll do that for the small HD set in the den; however, until they have a replacement for the HD-Tivo I won't swap STB/PVR that supports the 60" SXRD in the family room.

Update: I just called the Indians front office, and talked to a very nice gentleman there who is VERY aware of the DirecTV problem. He said yesterday was not a good day for them -- they got a number of calls yesterday complaining about the D* screwup. He urged us to call DirecTV and complain. I got the impression D* is playing the blame game and saying it was STO's fault when in fact it was not.

But you've done that! So why don't they do something. They should want you to receive the game as much as you want it.

If it happens again today I call the Tribes front office again and let them know that DTV is not taking care of business. Tell them you've done what you can, they need to get involved.

Did anyone else have any audio problems on OTA WKYC tonight? During Las Vegas I was picking up another audio feed under the show audio. It ended up being the audio from the Cleveland Indians game. I turned another tv to STO and the crowd audio on STO matched perfectly to the background audio I was getting on WKYC.


Yes I have Adelphia and had the same problem. I also noticed it last night while watching conviction. It would have to be a WKYC problem if you are getting it over the air and I am getting it from Adelphia. It was driving me nuts.

Well, it looks like all our ranting yesterday at Directv must have done some good. I am getting the game now as well as the pregame show earlier on channel 657 as advertised.

Go Tribe!

STO-HD on Adelphia came on 10 minutes into the pre-game. Audio dropouts are still happening, plus it's still only 5.0, instead of 5.1.

The sound is good though. Listen carefully when they introduce Grady Sizemore. The higher-pitched cheering that usually comes with him is very clear... :-)

Just talked to D*. Customer Service rep said I should have received the game. She said they probably had some problem. But, also got good news. She read all of her internal e-mails regarding STO and said beginning May we would get the Indian games in HD. She didn't know what channel would be used for carrying the HD. Hope she is right!

You must have spoke to the same D* rep I spoke with. I originally called because, as others, I was not receiving the STO signal at all. After resetting my receiver manually at the box, and D* resetting it at their end, STO came in. I only missed the 1st inning.

While on the phone, I asked why I was not receiving the STO HD feed. The rep then read me the STO/D* press release. After I asked the question again, she put me on hold for a minute and came back with the answer "sometime in May." I asked if it coincided with the launch of HD locals in the Cleveland market, after she checked around for another minute she responded with "no, HD locals in Cleveland are scheduled for June 26."

I explained to this rep that I could switch to cable today and watch STO is HD immediately. She responded with "yeah, but satellite is better then cable." After I responded with "Not if you're a Cleveland Indians fan looking for customer support," I decided to come on here and see if anyone else heard of the "May" availability of STO/HD and June 26th date for HD locals. I didn't have the energy to argue anymore, but it looks like I'll have to call back since no one seems to have a straight answer.

I've only been with D* a month and they've frustrated me more in this time then 10+ years worth of cable service.

Well, it looks like all our ranting yesterday at Directv must have done some good. I am getting the game now as well as the pregame show earlier on channel 657 as advertised.

Go Tribe!

It's still blacked out for me. Time to make ANOTHER phone call to D*...

Nothing on DirecTV here. I called and they tell me only zip codes that start 441 are valid EVENTHOUGH Sportstime Ohio lists mine 44266 (Ravenna) as valid What a F%^$#$ mess. We have no number to call Sportstime ohio to find what the heck is up. We get Cleveland locals via DTV live only 25 or so miles out of Cleveland and cannot get the games?

A relative of mine in suburban Akron with DirecTV got yesterday's game, but is not getting today...and he got the whole "ZIP code" list thing...the CSR said the "list of ZIP codes is opposite from what it should be", which is a pile of doggie doo.

If a 442xx ZIP code can't see it, not to mention Paule123's in Shaker Heights, who can!??!

I wish I could do more for him...I just told him to keep calling and playing "CSR roulette"... hopefully he'll find one who will activate it for him.

For what it's worth, it's coming in just fine here in Medina (44256).

Just got off the phone with the Indians ticket office (216-420-HITS). The young man who answered the phone there, when I asked him if they were aware of the problem, said, and I quote, "oh, yeah! We are"...

He says they've gotten hundreds of calls from folks within the region that should be getting Indians games. He said Jim Liberatore (STO boss) was actually standing in the phone banks just a few minutes ago and he's well aware of the incoming calls and the fact that DirecTV has apparently screwed up...

I called D* and after a good 10 minute wait (hit "0" to bypass the stupid voice activated attendant) and spoke with a CSR who seemed pretty sharp. He was quite aware of STO problems (I wonder if all the anrgy Clevelanders are clogging up the phone lines :D )

He did some typing on his end (maybe he "hit" the box) and then he suggested pulling the access card and letting the box reset and wait for the channels to reload. Unfortunately I am watching remotely from my Slingbox and am not physically there to pull the card...

My Indians' fan relative in the Akron area just hit the right number in CSR Roulette, and he has the game now at home...though he has to now figure out if his business is getting it!

I don't think he said he had to pull the card, physically...

STO was down for me on D* as well today so I called & after talking with the first two reps was actually contemplating Adelphia as the first one told me that I had to get the $99 premium package to get STO (which their web site agrees with) when I started to complain she transferred me to programming. They claimed that I couldn't get it at all, despite being in Bainbridge. I quickly got fed up with her & asked for retention figuring that they could at least compensate me for my anger & that they tend to have a clue.

The retention guy assures me that I should be getting it and that they're having difficulties because it's a new channel and their system was having issues today. He was able to reset everything remotely & get it up and running in ~5 minutes and I didn't even have to reboot either HD-Tivo which takes forever.

So my advice is just call retention immediately or transfer there quickly - they're at least competent unlike the other CSRs I talked with.

After we got the STO up and running, I asked about HD and he indicated May as well. He seemed to think they'd be on in the 90s, but I did lead him into that answer...

Another problem...has anyone with DirecTV seen this?

My relative not only has DirecTV at home, he's got it at his business. The people who work there tell him that STO/657 is showing up with "Searching for satellite" on the screen.

However, the receivers at his business are otherwise getting all the other channels with no problem.

Is it even POSSIBLE for one channel to be this way and the others not? He says he has the same kind of dish at work as he does at home (which is now getting STO). I haven't been able to figure out which satellite STO is on, vs. other channels, and have no idea why he'd have this problem at the business.

Tom Hamilton just announced on the radio that the Indians are aware of the DirecTV problem and they are working on it. Good to know there are so so many faithful tribe fans out there!

The only time I can recall seeing "Searching for Satellite" on one channel while I'm getting others is if it's rain fade where I'll lose some nationals, but the locals will still come in as they're spot-beamed and are the last to fade. Obviously not analogous to this issue though.

Anyone else seeing the "poor quality signal" graphic on STO during the commercial break just before the top of the 7th? It seemed to be on the regular feed rather than a D* thing, but...

The only time I can recall seeing "Searching for Satellite" on one channel while I'm getting others is if it's rain fade where I'll lose some nationals, but the locals will still come in as they're spot-beamed and are the last to fade. Obviously not analogous to this issue though.

Anyone else seeing the "poor quality signal" graphic on STO during the commercial break just before the top of the 7th? It seemed to be on the regular feed rather than a D* thing, but...

Yeah, I'm seeing it too. I agree, looks like STO message, not a D* message

I guess I shouldn't complain at all but the sound break ups all through the game are still annoying. So I have two questions:

1. Is this just an Adelphia issue or is it a STO problem?
2. Where is the .1? What's going on with that? Is that the cause of the sound drop off?

OK, more then two questions, but two issues. ;)

Sound issues were on D* too

Sound issues were on D* too

On the SD broadcast on 657? Did you hear the one second drop? I didn't hear it on either the analog Adelphia feed (17) or SD digital cable feed (179), only on 798 in HD.

Looks like WKYC/3 may become the second HD news operation in Cleveland, and soon:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2006/04/next-news-in-hdtv-wkyc.html

Looks like WKYC/3 may become the second HD news operation in Cleveland, and soon:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2006/04/next-news-in-hdtv-wkyc.html

I like WKYC news, so this is good "news" for me. I can't stand FOX's news which really has become nothing more then a place to talk about American Idol.

Added: I'm looking at WKYC news right now and if that isn't HD then I need an eye exam. Looks good to me, not stretch o vision.

Added: I'm looking at WKYC news right now and if that isn't HD then I need an eye exam. Looks good to me, not stretch o vision.

Go get that exam, then...it's in stretch-o-vision. :D

If I dump into 4:3 mode on my Fusion box, it fits perfectly and the picture is not QUITE HD. It's pretty good for SD, and some of the video looks very clear (in particular, the interviews with the Indians players/manager), but it's not HD yet.

Watching on WKYC-DT via Adelphia.

Looks like WKYC/3 may become the second HD news operation in Cleveland, and soon:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2006/04/next-news-in-hdtv-wkyc.html


I too have heard that an HD upgrade is in the works for WKYC news. They should be on the air in May (just in time for sweeps). Not sure how extensive, but I know that a big push for it came from STO, and them wanting to do the their pregame show in full HD out of WKYC's studios.

I'd love to see HD news gathering. Fox 8's HD is nice, but it's really only the studio cameras.

Go get that exam, then...it's in stretch-o-vision. :D

If I dump into 4:3 mode on my Fusion box, it fits perfectly and the picture is not QUITE HD. It's pretty good for SD, and some of the video looks very clear (in particular, the interviews with the Indians players/manager), but it's not HD yet.

Watching on WKYC-DT via Adelphia.

I went out on a limb with that comment. After I said it I started second guessing myself.

Give me a break, I'm 53 years old. :o

It's pretty good for SD, and some of the video looks very clear (in particular, the interviews with the Indians players/manager), but it's not HD yet.


if it was shot at the stadium with their HD cameras, it makes sense that it would look clearer, even when viewed in SD. The SD image is effectively being oversampled and that's a good thing - less aliasing and visual twittering.

I too have heard that an HD upgrade is in the works for WKYC news. They should be on the air in May (just in time for sweeps). Not sure how extensive, but I know that a big push for it came from STO, and them wanting to do the their pregame show in full HD out of WKYC's studios.

I'd love to see HD news gathering. Fox 8's HD is nice, but it's really only the studio cameras.

There was an interview in a trade magazine with an engineering type at WJW (I don't know if it's the same guy who's posted a couple of times here)...they're eventually going to go "whole hog" with HD, right down to the commercial production and SkyFOX.

I saw WKYC's Andy Baskin (ex-FSN Ohio type) doing a studio pregame for today's STO game, but unfortunately didn't get to see if it was in HD. The article linked in the blog entry above says the entire STO operation (including games) is being switched out of a dedicated HD control room at WKYC, and that the cameras are being backhauled to WKYC via fiber.

if it was shot at the stadium with their HD cameras, it makes sense that it would look clearer, even when viewed in SD. The SD image is effectively being oversampled and that's a good thing - less aliasing and visual twittering.

To me, it looked much like FOX 8's pre-HD period...their in-studio shots always looked really good even before they went HD, because they had those HD studio cameras a full TWO YEARS before they made the on-air conversion to HD in the news studio.

Oddly enough, the footage shot at Jacobs Field in the locker room looked clearer than WKYC's studio. This is all on WKYC-DT.

I went out on a limb with that comment. After I said it I started second guessing myself.

Give me a break, I'm 53 years old. :o

Well, as noted, the in-locker room interview footage looked pretty good, so I don't blame you. :D

I saw WKYC's Andy Baskin (ex-FSN Ohio type) doing a studio pregame for today's STO game, but unfortunately didn't get to see if it was in HD. The article linked in the blog entry above says the entire STO operation (including games) is being switched out of a dedicated HD control room at WKYC, and that the cameras are being backhauled to WKYC via fiber.

Baskin was in SD with HD pillars. All the highlights were edited in the SD world with side pillars too. Only HD elements in the STO pregame were graphics and any live shots they took from the Jake. Still pretty cool how they integrate the HD and SD worlds pretty seamlessly.

Baskin was in SD with HD pillars. All the highlights were edited in the SD world with side pillars too. Only HD elements in the STO pregame were graphics and any live shots they took from the Jake. Still pretty cool how they integrate the HD and SD worlds pretty seamlessly.

I suspect a lot of this will change when they get the news operation up in HD...and the pre-game and highlights will be in HD. The in-game replays are already in HD, and they come out of the WKYC-based remote control room for STO...

I suspect a lot of this will change when they get the news operation up in HD...and the pre-game and highlights will be in HD. The in-game replays are already in HD, and they come out of the WKYC-based remote control room for STO...

Yeah, WKYC's stuck with about a third in HD and the other two thirds in SD, but compared to all the other stations in town, they're way ahead of the game for complete HD conversion. When they go online I suspect they'll eclipse Fox 8 HD.

I'd love to see how long it'll take WEWS, and maybe someday probably never, WOIO.

I had a lot of OTA dropouts on WOIO channel 19 during the Masters yesterday

i also had a lot of drop outs, but about 4:30 seemed fine. at one point 19-1 had a frozen picture of the hole 12 on the screen, while Directv 19 was going normal. Bainbridge area.

Anyone else seeing the "poor quality signal" graphic on STO during the commercial break just before the top of the 7th? It seemed to be on the regular feed rather than a D* thing, but... I saw this too - on Dish Network. every time there was an audio dropout, the "poor quality signal" message came up. I know that was not a message from my E* 921 because the 921's error messages are formatted differently.

BTW: the very first STO gam I saw was via COX Cable. guess what? I saw that same "Poor signal quality" message pop up!

STO must be having problems uplinking their signal, for virtually every provider has been having problems with audio dropout.

Just got this email from STO (I assume because I'm on their mailing list through MLB.com or from my feedback form to STO):


*********
Dear xxx,

As many of you are aware, SportsTime Ohio is now on Direct TV. We want to thank all of you for your patience throughout this process and thank you for participating by contacting Direct TV and letting them know you want Indians baseball.

However, some of you may not be getting SportsTime Ohio on Channel 657. Direct TV has decided not to offer SportsTime Ohio to the outer regions of the Indians market. This also means you cannot access Indians baseball via the MLB Outer Market package as well. We are very aware there are several thousand Indians fans affected by the decision of their Los Angeles office. Therefore, we encourage you to call Direct TV at 800-494-4388 or email them at www.directv.com/email.

As far as those of you who are supposed to be receiving SportsTime Ohio on Direct TV. We know you have been hearing several explanations including:


You have to purchase an additional "Sports Pack"
The game wasn't sold out so we had to black it out
The Dolans told Direct TV to black it out
Only away games are being televised
If you are in a zip code starting with 44 you will not get the game
Please be assured that there is no truth to these explanations. All you need is the Total Choice basic package. We have been assured by their executives that the issue has been resolved and you should see the Indians and Mariners tomorrow night starting at 6:30pm. If you do not receive the game please call Direct TV.

We apologize for this incredible inconvenience when the Indians are playing as well as they are.

Sincerely,

SportsTime Ohio

Wow. Just wow. Direct TV use to be known for such great customer service. They've really dropped the ball on this. And the excuse list is just sad.

Then the Tribe fans that are in distant areas but near enough to be considered in the area don't get anything?

I'd dump them just on principle.

Also, this interview with STO's Jim Liberatore is interesting reading...much of the same as in the letter above, but a little more:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2006/04/our-chat-with-stos-jim-liberatore.html

Something I've seen nowhere else yet - they are aware of the audio glitches, especially on the HD feed, and they're supposedly fixed for Tuesday night's Indians-Mariners game on STO.

Wow. Just wow. Direct TV use to be known for such great customer service. They've really dropped the ball on this. And the excuse list is just sad.

My father got one of the excuses on Saturday, before he kept calling back until he got someone to activate him. :D


Then the Tribe fans that are in distant areas but near enough to be considered in the area don't get anything?

I'd dump them just on principle.

The thing is, as Jim Liberatore points out in the story above, the folks in places like Erie, Toledo and whatnot can't get the Indians games AT ANY PRICE. They will still be blacked out of the Indians games STO carries in "Extra Innings", and will not be able to see the games that are the reason "EI" is blacked out! Is this any way to run a satellite company?

It's almost like DirecTV is saying - "You wanna watch the Indians in Lima? You'll watch the 20 over-air games on WLIO, and whatever ESPN and FOX TV air nationally, and LIKE IT!"

Also, this interview with STO's Jim Liberatore is interesting reading...much of the same as in the letter above, but a little more:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2006/04/our-chat-with-stos-jim-liberatore.html

Something I've seen nowhere else yet - they are aware of the audio glitches, especially on the HD feed, and they're supposedly fixed for Tuesday night's Indians-Mariners game on STO.

That's good to hear. I hope they get the .1 in there as well. It's odd seeing just 5.0, though I don't know if I could really hear any difference.

That's good to hear. I hope they get the .1 in there as well. It's odd seeing just 5.0, though I don't know if I could really hear any difference.

I don't have a 5.1 system, but my Fusion tuner software behaves oddly during STO's HD games on 798...it doesn't display DD2CH or DD5.1 in the box that says what kind of audio there is, it just sits there with "AC3" (the audio designation that displays when there is no audio actually coming through).

This tells me that they're not sending down the proper information to tell the AC3 decoder that it's 5.1. FSN Ohio's Cavaliers HD games display "DD5.1" on 798...as I confirmed by a quick check of tonight's game right now.

My receiver specifically shows which speakers are getting active sound with a digital signal. It clearly shows only five speakers - the front three and the two rear ones. The subwoofer does not light up and there is definitely no change at all throughout the game.

My receiver specifically shows which speakers are getting active sound with a digital signal. It clearly shows only five speakers - the front three and the two rear ones. The subwoofer does not light up and there is definitely no change at all throughout the game.

Keep an eye on it on Tuesday night, and let us know if that's the same. They apparently did some work on the sound.

Keep an eye on it on Tuesday night, and let us know if that's the same. They apparently did some work on the sound.

My receiver does the same as jtscherne's. I won't be able to watch the whole game tonight but I'll take a peek at it to see what the reading is.

I don't have a 5.1 system, but my Fusion tuner software behaves oddly during STO's HD games on 798...it doesn't display DD2CH or DD5.1 in the box that says what kind of audio there is, it just sits there with "AC3" (the audio designation that displays when there is no audio actually coming through).

This tells me that they're not sending down the proper information to tell the AC3 decoder that it's 5.1. FSN Ohio's Cavaliers HD games display "DD5.1" on 798...as I confirmed by a quick check of tonight's game right now.

Strangly, the sound for the Cavs game last night didn't seem right on my Yamaha receiver. It seemed like the same sound was coming out of all 5 speakers. The announcer's voices came from all speakers & it definately wasn't 5.1 for me. I forgot to look on the receiver to see what speakers it showed though as I got side tracked watching 24. I'll have to look next game if it's bad again for me. Indians games came through as 5.1 though. Anyone else have this issue?

My father got one of the excuses on Saturday, before he kept calling back until he got someone to activate him. :D



The thing is, as Jim Liberatore points out in the story above, the folks in places like Erie, Toledo and whatnot can't get the Indians games AT ANY PRICE. They will still be blacked out of the Indians games STO carries in "Extra Innings", and will not be able to see the games that are the reason "EI" is blacked out! Is this any way to run a satellite company?

It's almost like DirecTV is saying - "You wanna watch the Indians in Lima? You'll watch the 20 over-air games on WLIO, and whatever ESPN and FOX TV air nationally, and LIKE IT!"
No DirecTV is saying, if you want STO in Lima, Get Dish Network.
Several years ago the shoe was on the other foot, Dish Network subs got screwed out of half the "cable" games on FSNO. So now it's Direc TV's turn. It's unfortunate for D* subs, but for once E* did something right concerning a new RSN.

Is anyone else experienceing problems with CBS 19-1?

I haven't been able to pull this channel in for a week or so.

Please let me know if you are having problems. Thanks in advance for any feedback,


Fred

No problems with WOIO-DT OTA here in Parma.

Looks like D* got their s**t together for tonight's Indians game on STO, at least for me. Pregame show was on, as well as the game currently in progress. It's still a little disturbing how they drop channel 657 from the guide on off days and times (channel 657 was missing from my guide earlier, but magically appeared later in the day).

Im watching the game on DTV 657 and it looks ok but i dont think its HD is DTV offering it in HD?

Sound on 798 Adelphia still coming in 3/2. Still no channel for the subwolfer.

I only looked in for a couple of seconds. How does it actually sound?

No audio dropouts on Cox cable tonight (thankfully), but my receiver is still saying Dolby D 3/2. No LFE. PQ is fabulous. So is the score, 6-0 :D

Neither satellite company is currently offering STO in HD.


Im watching the game on DTV 657 and it looks ok but i dont think its HD is DTV offering it in HD?

Even without the subwoofer the sound is great. Quite lifelike without going overboard with the surround sound (can we say Fox Sports?)

Also, the picture is gorgeous. I think nighttime is the best time for HD sports because you don't have to deal with the sun and the overall lighting tends to be more consistent.


Sound on 798 Adelphia still coming in 3/2. Still no channel for the subwolfer.

I only looked in for a couple of seconds. How does it actually sound?

Just wanted to pop in and see if any of you have checked out the Area Meets Section lately.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=662380

Just looking for interest.

Sound on 798 Adelphia still coming in 3/2. Still no channel for the subwolfer.

I only looked in for a couple of seconds. How does it actually sound?

I noticed that my subwoofer was "woofing" away during the game, but it may have been just the ProLogic in my receiver (it has a mind of its own, depending upon the program material!) I did not notice any sound coming from my rear speakers, however. No sound drop-outs and the PQ was excellent.

I was doing some PiP comparison Sunday between Adelphia's 798, 17 and 179. 179 was delayed a good 3-4 seconds behind 798 which is delayed maybe 1 second or so behind 17. I was surprised at the long delay on 179....

I noticed that my subwoofer was "woofing" away during the game, but it may have been just the ProLogic in my receiver (it has a mind of its own, depending upon the program material!) I did not notice any sound coming from my rear speakers, however. No sound drop-outs and the PQ was excellent.

I was doing some PiP comparison Sunday between Adelphia's 798, 17 and 179. 179 was delayed a good 3-4 seconds behind 798 which is delayed maybe 1 second or so behind 17. I was surprised at the long delay on 179....

Yes, I hear my subwolfer too, however I also hear my rear speakers, though it isn't as "centered" as I feel it should be. I can control that a bit by simply boosting the signal to my rear speakers or turning up the volume knob on the speakers themselves. But if I started doing that I'd be adjusting everytime I changed a channel. :eek:

I was comparing signals when I let my receiver on self adjusting and switching to pro logic II. I heard no difference. I also have pro logic IIx and there were no indications that other speakers were made available. My receiver seemed determined to treat it as 5.1 even though only 5.0 showed.

Neither satellite company is currently offering STO in HD.
Although D* CSRs are claiming STO in HD in May allegedly. My bet would be on an occasional game on 95 (or thereabouts), but we'll have to cross our fingers and wait. Given Cleveland locals are not slated to be available in MPEG4 until June, it wouldn't seem likely that they're depending on spot-beaming it to provide it in HD, but given we're talking D* CSR provided info, who really knows?

I noticed that my subwoofer was "woofing" away during the game, but it may have been just the ProLogic in my receiver (it has a mind of its own, depending upon the program material!) I did not notice any sound coming from my rear speakers, however. No sound drop-outs and the PQ was excellent.

I was doing some PiP comparison Sunday between Adelphia's 798, 17 and 179. 179 was delayed a good 3-4 seconds behind 798 which is delayed maybe 1 second or so behind 17. I was surprised at the long delay on 179....
There will always be a delay when compairing an analog feed (17) with either of the digital feeds (179 SD and 798 HD). When a digital signal is received it has already been delayed as it is digitized and then again as it is decoded for viewing. Since the analog signal does not need to be decoded (D/A conversion) it will always be ahead of any digital feed.

BTW if you happen to have multiple digital receivers tuned to the same channel, you may detect a time difference as each receiver's D/A converter decodes the signal.

Although D* CSRs are claiming STO in HD in May allegedly. My bet would be on an occasional game on 95 (or thereabouts), but we'll have to cross our fingers and wait. Given Cleveland locals are not slated to be available in MPEG4 until June, it wouldn't seem likely that they're depending on spot-beaming it to provide it in HD, but given we're talking D* CSR provided info, who really knows?D* should give their subs the HD version of STO if for no other reason than to make up for the mistakes made getting this channel launched on their service.

Although D* CSRs are claiming STO in HD in May allegedly. My bet would be on an occasional game on 95 (or thereabouts), but we'll have to cross our fingers and wait. Given Cleveland locals are not slated to be available in MPEG4 until June, it wouldn't seem likely that they're depending on spot-beaming it to provide it in HD, but given we're talking D* CSR provided info, who really knows?

Did they claim that STO specifically would be available in HD? Or did they just claim that the Indians games would be available in HD? I would bet on the latter, as I would give D* only enough credit that they're relying on KYC to be available then. That's how I see D* delivering the Indians in HD.

"Yes, you can get it. But only when KYC has it. By the way, can I interest you in a $99 upgrade special? All you have to do is to commit to 4 more years of DirecTV!"

:rolleyes:

Never believe anything ANY csr says.

It's the golden rule. :)

The audio dropouts are back. EVERY 45 SECONDS! AAAARRRRGGHH! :mad:

I'm not getting any dropouts (Adelphia HD). Of course, I'm also still not getting the subwoofer, even though they put up a quick note in the upper right soon after the game started indicating HD 5.1.

Yes, I'm getting rear sound, but it's very light, mostly a little bit of cheering occasionally.

Yes, I'm getting rear sound, but it's very light, mostly a little bit of cheering occasionally.

I watched some of the Yankees and Royals on ESPN-HD today and the ONLY time I heard my rear speakers was when a commercial came on. :rolleyes:

The audio dropouts are back. EVERY 45 SECONDS! AAAARRRRGGHH! :mad:

Not hearing the dropouts here on Adelphia HD 798.

What service and which channel number are you watching?

Cox Cable, Hi Def channel 758, digital coaxial from cable box to receiver. They are EXACTLY every 45 seconds. I can call 'em by watching the clock. Weird! I was just upstairs taking a shower, and while doing my post shower ablutions (shaving, etc.), I was watching on SD channel 58 and didn't notice any dropouts. HMMM? :confused:

Just switched my Hi Def set over to the SD feed on Ch. 58, and no dropouts. :(

Adelphia HD audio is fine today, minus the subwoofer that is. No pauses or audio interuptions. Don't know why but the other day I wasn't getting 5.1 - sub, I was getting the same audio from all speakers. Today it's back to 5.1 - sub. The sound itself is very good with the crack of the bat sounding very crisp & loud as well as the snap of the ball hitting the catchers mit. Not much rear sound aside from the very very light cheering sounds from time to time as was mentioned. It's very strange that they are missing the LFE. I've never seen my Yamaha receiver show that configuration before!

Heh Heh! Now I've got no feed at all. Neither the HD or SD feed is working. Just a black screen and dead silence. Nice! :(

Heh Heh! Now I've got no feed at all. Neither the HD or SD feed is working. Just a black screen and dead silence. Nice! :(

Sounds like Cox is having some problems. It's been flawless here in Adelphia land...

BTW, STO has shown up in my TiVo's program guide, as of today.

Oops. Spoke too soon. Adelphia is dead on both 17 and 798. Green screen on 17, blank screen on 798. (I'll assume 179 is down, too.) Now green blank screen on 798 as well, duplicating 17.

Oops. Spoke too soon. Adelphia is dead on both 17 and 798. Green screen on 17, blank screen on 798. (I'll assume 179 is down, too.) Now green blank screen on 798 as well, duplicating 17.

It's a problem with a switching system feeding the uplink. Sit tight, they're working on it.

It's a problem with a switching system feeding the uplink. Sit tight, they're working on it.

Figured so...the 5th inning is a bit early to say "screw it, this isn't working, let's go home". :D

Thank you for the update!

Still out as of last check a moment ago. I'm kickin' old style with Tom Hamilton for now...

STO 657 on D* dead here - showing a DirecTV logo'ed "technical difficulties" screen at the moment... I was getting pregame and game earlier tonight...

STO 657 on D* dead here - showing a DirecTV logo'ed "technical difficulties" screen at the moment... I was getting pregame and game earlier tonight...

SD feed is back. HD feed has video but no audio yet...

Same here, but CRAP! it's 10 to 5. Time to go watch a movie. ;)

Adelphia - SD and HD video back, no audio or commercials for that matter.

Sound just came back in a replay sequence, during what would have been a commercial break.

Did they claim that STO specifically would be available in HD? Or did they just claim that the Indians games would be available in HD? I would bet on the latter, as I would give D* only enough credit that they're relying on KYC to be available then. That's how I see D* delivering the Indians in HD.

Now that's an amusing thought - 'course that presumes the CSR would have to be knowledgeable enough to KNOW the Tribe was going to be on WKYC this year and in Hi-Def no less. What are the odds? 'Course if they were going to be that shifty, I'd expect them to claim they already have the Tribe in HD on D* - the opener was on ESPN-HD in April after all.

Besides they claimed May and don't plan on offering 3-1 until June anyway.

I'm not exactly holding my breath about seeing the Tribe in HD in May on D*, but it's nice to hope...Realistically I'm hoping STO will be MPEG4 in '07 and D* will have a stable enough MPEG4 DVR I'll actually want to consider giving up the HD-Tivo. Any Tribe HD we see in '06 on D* in MPEG2 will just be a bonus from my perspective...

Considering D* and E* haven't added any HD programming in the last year or two (aside from E* adding the Voom bird), I would have been shocked if they added the games on STO-HD. I had just assumed it was the SD version only that they would add. I have Adelphia so I didn't look into it much though. ha!! :)

If they don't have the space right now for other national HD networks (pure HD channels, not locals), I wouldn't think they'd do the Tribe in HD aside from what you can get OTA from WKYC. When they turn to MPEG4, MAYBE they will add it, but even then, I wouldn't hold my breath either. :)

Considering D* and E* haven't added any HD programming in the last year or two (aside from E* adding the Voom bird),
That's not really true. D* has added ESPN2-HD & TNT-HD in '05 & '06 respectively. E* has added programming as well including, as you note, all the Voom channels, which is a decent number of channels - not sure what else E* has added beyond VOOM though.

If they don't have the space right now for other national HD networks (pure HD channels, not locals), I wouldn't think they'd do the Tribe in HD aside from what you can get OTA from WKYC. When they turn to MPEG4, MAYBE they will add it, but even then, I wouldn't hold my breath either. :)
One thing that may allow D* and/or E* to carry some Tribe games is they're not adding a full channel - they're committing to 3 or 4 hours of HD bandwidth about 4 times a week on average (considering not all STO games are offered in HD) which is far different than needing the bandwidth 24/7. D* does this now offering some baseball and NBA games on 95 - there's no reason the Tribe can't be part of that mix this year - just don't expect them to be on every night.

Now I'm certainly not expecting to see all Tribe games in HD in '06 & will be pleasantly surprised to see some on D* this season. Once MPEG4 is rolled out though, D* would be foolish to not offer as many RSNs in HD as possible. They realize that sports availability drives a ton of their business & will act accordingly - witness how many folks stick w/D* due solely to NFL Sunday Ticket availability. Given they already have STO up and running in SD, there's no reason they wouldn't add the HD version once they have bandwidth available via a spot beam w/the other locals.

E* added ESPN2HD and Universal HD, although both require an MPEG4 receiver, along with additional VOOM channels.

It's a problem with a switching system feeding the uplink. Sit tight, they're working on it.Guess that is why we didn't get Tribe highlights--or lowlights?--in HD from STO on SportsCenter last night and were reduced to seeing them from FSN NW's feed in SD. Good to see Cleveland stepping up in the HD area with the likes of the Bostons and the New Yorks.

Guess that is why we didn't get Tribe highlights--or lowlights?--in HD from STO on SportsCenter last night and were reduced to seeing them from FSN NW's feed in SD. Good to see Cleveland stepping up in the HD area with the likes of the Bostons and the New Yorks.

From watching MLB-EI and seeing NESN their not quite up there with Boston. NESN is showing EVERY game in HD.

But I the understand the Tribe may do the same by next year.

Finally home from a long road trip to check out STO in HD on Wide Open West channel 221. Looks pretty good, nice surround mix except for the audio dropouts occurring a little too often. But there's a 50/50 chance that the audio problem is really an SA8000HD problem, heard it before with other channels (namely Fox NFL live HD games) Doesn't sound like my subwoofer is getting any action (compared to the Cavs game over on TNT-HD)

The Tribe uniform whites are really blasting on the contrast.

I noticed more sound coming out of the rear speakers at times last night. For example, when Betancourt struck out the player with the bases loaded in the fifth, the cheers suddenly came out quite loudly.

I noticed more sound coming out of the rear speakers at times last night. For example, when Betancourt struck out the player with the bases loaded in the fifth, the cheers suddenly came out quite loudly.

Yes, they really need to direct more sound to those rear speakers.

Overall I'm not very satisfied with the way 5.1 is distributed by television. IMHO Fox does the best job on shows like 24 and also on it's football. I agree they go a bit overboard with the sound effects but they have the best feel for being in the middle of the crowd.

I would like for it to sound more like it sounds on a DVD. I don't know why they don't pay more attention to the sound if they are going to use 5.1.

That's not really true. D* has added ESPN2-HD & TNT-HD in '05 & '06 respectively. E* has added programming as well including, as you note, all the Voom channels, which is a decent number of channels - not sure what else E* has added beyond VOOM though.


One thing that may allow D* and/or E* to carry some Tribe games is they're not adding a full channel - they're committing to 3 or 4 hours of HD bandwidth about 4 times a week on average (considering not all STO games are offered in HD) which is far different than needing the bandwidth 24/7. D* does this now offering some baseball and NBA games on 95 - there's no reason the Tribe can't be part of that mix this year - just don't expect them to be on every night.

Now I'm certainly not expecting to see all Tribe games in HD in '06 & will be pleasantly surprised to see some on D* this season. Once MPEG4 is rolled out though, D* would be foolish to not offer as many RSNs in HD as possible. They realize that sports availability drives a ton of their business & will act accordingly - witness how many folks stick w/D* due solely to NFL Sunday Ticket availability. Given they already have STO up and running in SD, there's no reason they wouldn't add the HD version once they have bandwidth available via a spot beam w/the other locals.

Really I was only talking about what people expected right now...not debating at all what they will do in the future. I agree with you. I guess the point I was trying to make is that obviously they have been very very slow in adding HD content. Adding one or two channels in a two year period is not what I would consider quick expantion of their HD programming and adding a local HD sports channel before adding things like national HD locals or more national HD content, doesn't sound like something I would have expected them to do. Plus, think about how many other cities they would have to add local HD sports channels for. Every city that has their local games in HD would want the same & they obviously aren't ready quite yet for local sports HD's. That's not to say they won't in the future once the local network HD's roll out, but what I was talking about was only pertaining to the disappointment people had with them for not having the HD Tribe right now. It's been like pulling teeth to get DirectTV (and to a lesser extent Dish) to add HD content so I don't know why anyone expected them to do STO-HD for this season. Who knows, maybe they'll suprise you DirectTV guys & throw in a few HD games at some point soon.

Dish offers a few HD games a week on the Extra Innings package. I don't know if D* does this too.

Up until now, both companies basically indicated that they didn't have the bandwidth to offer too much more. With the switch to MPEG4 and additional satellites, they are now getting HD locals up.

Dish has specifically indicated that they don't plan on working on HD regional sports networks for now. They have promised both Food Network HD and Home & Garden HD soon.

I thought when STO was formed they announced it would be a partnership with the team, WKYC and Time-Warner cable. So that makes me wonder...what motivation would they have to be on any of the satellite providers in HD, when Time-Warner would have the potential of selling more HD boxes?

Also, if STO's in a partnership with TWC, what motivation would the sats have to put any more premium showings of STO on their system other than the basic SD feed just to satisfy Tribe fans?


Is Time-Warner a partner in all of this? If so, they seem the most quiet of the three.

I thought when STO was formed they announced it would be a partnership with the team, WKYC and Time-Warner cable. So that makes me wonder...what motivation would they have to be on any of the satellite providers in HD, when Time-Warner would have the potential of selling more HD boxes?

Also, if STO's in a partnership with TWC, what motivation would the sats have to put any more premium showings of STO on their system other than the basic SD feed just to satisfy Tribe fans?


Is Time-Warner a partner in all of this? If so, they seem the most quiet of the three.


I don't think so. They were one of the main players as far as signing on, but that's about it.

From STO's Website (http://www.sportstimeohio.com/about.jsp) :

About SportsTime Ohio
SportsTime Ohio is an innovative TV network designed to offer a variety of sports programming, with its initial venture being the largest television package in Indians team history (158 games to be broadcast in 2006). The schedule calls for SportsTime Ohio to air 130 regular season games and eight spring training games on cable and satellite television. SportsTime Ohio will also broadcast an additional 20 games on WKYC-TV (Cleveland) and other over-the-air local television stations in key Indians television markets. Plans are being developed to offer additional programming, geared specifically toward Ohio-area sports fans and the passion that makes the region a great sports community, to complement this expanded baseball schedule throughout the year.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279170&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle

A bit off topic but a funny observation from my daughter about the beloved TimeWarner cable company. (I'm a Dish abused customer, so I get my hair-pulling frustrations from them)

She has moved into an aprtment prior to her June wedding and is setting up the essentials ... among them cable and a cable modem. She called me yesterday with questions on her computer's network settings because she could not connect. After walking her through a few different setups still no go. She said, "I guess I'll call their help desk."

Long story short ... I saw her online on AOL Instant Mess and asked how it went and what had been wrong with the cable internet. Her reply ...

"It's a long story, I'll tell you later. Basically, Time Warner are a bunch of idiots."

Ahh, another young adult indoctrinated into the world of subscription TV and its wonderful customer service.

Cable or Satellite? Grass is always greener on the other side except once you hop the fence you usually land in a cow patty.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279170&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle

billodom if your going to post a link can you make a comment as well so we don't misunderstand your point?

I'm assuming from the link your posting that what your saying is there is a partnership between Time Warner and STO. If so, I disagree. The story says that STO and TW have signed a long term non exclusive deal to show Indians games. It doesn't say anyting about a partnership.

Also the date on that link is 12/26/2005, long before anyone else signed.

If that wasn't the point of posting the link, then I'm confused. What was the point?

Here's the paragraph probably in question in that story:


Where those networks didn't come through -- and where the Indians expect to succeed -- is in securing cable outlets to provide the channel to a broad base of fans. The Indians have taken the first step toward avoiding that problem by signing a non-exclusive, long-term distribution agreement with Time Warner Cable, Ohio's largest cable system operator.


So, you're right and I'm right. Actually, TWC is just one (but a key) part of the equation. The STO folks are far more tangled up with WKYC/3, which provides production services for the games themselves.

billodom if your going to post a link can you make a comment as well so we don't misunderstand your point?

What was the point?Didn't intend to be vague. Here was the post I intended to respond to with the link.I thought when STO was formed they announced it would be a partnership with the team, WKYC and Time-Warner cable. So that makes me wonder...what motivation would they have to be on any of the satellite providers in HD, when Time-Warner would have the potential of selling more HD boxes?

Also, if STO's in a partnership with TWC, what motivation would the sats have to put any more premium showings of STO on their system other than the basic SD feed just to satisfy Tribe fans?


Is Time-Warner a partner in all of this? If so, they seem the most quiet of the three.My point was it does not appear that the satellite providers are prejudiced in the least by the Tribe's new sports network since TWC has no ownership stake. I'm sure D* and Dish would love to carry the games in HD, if only they had the capacity. Thanks for the feedback.

Just so I know I'm not crazy, didn't I read somewhere recently that the Indians replay of their home opener was creeping into the back speakers of WKYC's shows Las Vegas and Conviction? I finally got around to watching those and wow, it was weird. Ball game crowd in the back speakers and show on the front speakers.

How the heck could that happen?

Thanks for clearing that up. I read that wrong as Time Warner having an ownership part of the deal. All makes sense now.

In the MLB.com release Dolan was quoted as saying they've already factored in 2006 revenues from the network into team payroll. Wondering if the four sponsors of Red Roof Inn, Hummer, McDonald's and Subway can support that? :)

What's the matter Hookbill? You don't like Jacobs Field in your casino?

Thanks for clearing that up. I read that wrong as Time Warner having an ownership part of the deal. All makes sense now.

In the MLB.com release Dolan was quoted as saying they've already factored in 2006 revenues from the network into team payroll. Wondering if the four sponsors of Red Roof Inn, Hummer, McDonald's and Subway can support that? :)
Only 4 sponsors? Perhaps that is why there have been several cases on STO (and even at the end of the home operner on WKYC-DT) where there were no commercials during the commercial breks. I posted this several pages back and no one else noticed. I thought there were technical issues since it appeard to be a "raw feed" (i.e. the feed from the Jake that is meant to be sent only to the place where they add in the commercials). I presumed that there were comercials on the analog side between the 8th and 9th inning until someone at work who was watching the analog side said they too saw the commercial free breaks.

What's the matter Hookbill? You don't like Jacobs Field in your casino?
Could be a sign of things to come (an "Indian" casino next to the Jake). ;)

I still don't get it. Actually I didn't realize it was the Jake in the background for a while. I thought it was Casino noise. I even recall a sporting event on a tv in the background during the show.

But when they got in a room and later in the woods, I realized something was wrong. I just don't understand how the feed came through. STO was doing a replay at the time of airing of Vegas and Convictions, I remember that but it wasn't on the same station. Did they go straight from WKYC's studios with the feed?

When these things happen it makes me look like an idiot in front of my wife who thinks all this HD stuff is a lot of macho chest beating.

I just happened to notice that ZAP2IT.com is now listing channel 17 on Adelhia Suburbs as STO. It's also listing channel 179 as well as STO.

The big surprise however is it has channel 798 listed as STO and shows the game being broadcast there as well today. I thought that was going to be used for HD only.

Maybe an error in the guide?

Hey Folks,

When I used to be with Cox before moving to an Adelphia region, I purchased one of the Scientific-Atlanta 3270HD boxes that were available at the very onset of their HD rollout (before they were leasing them). Now I'm stuck with the box and wondering if anyone has successfully used it on Adelphia's system? Adelphia's customer service replied with a non-chalant "No" with no further explanation as to why not when I asked, but past experiences have lead me to conclude the typical Adelphia CSR knows next to nothing and just give you the answers most likely to get you off the phone quickest.

So.. Anyone know if you can migrate a Cox SA3270HD to Adelphia's system? Nothing on the unit specifically brands it as being "Cox" proprietary that I can see.

When Adelphia authorizes a box to work it does so by entering specifics about that receiver. But since TiVo works and I don't believe they need Adelphia authorization, I'm not certain.

I would plug it in and see what happens. Worst case is it doesn't work. Then maybe go to the AVS forum areas where they discuss that model for additional advice.

Hey Folks,

When I used to be with Cox before moving to an Adelphia region, I purchased one of the Scientific-Atlanta 3270HD boxes that were available at the very onset of their HD rollout (before they were leasing them). Now I'm stuck with the box and wondering if anyone has successfully used it on Adelphia's system? Adelphia's customer service replied with a non-chalant "No" with no further explanation as to why not when I asked, but past experiences have lead me to conclude the typical Adelphia CSR knows next to nothing and just give you the answers most likely to get you off the phone quickest.

So.. Anyone know if you can migrate a Cox SA3270HD to Adelphia's system? Nothing on the unit specifically brands it as being "Cox" proprietary that I can see.

Try the Adelphia HSI forum on Broadband Reports forum...

http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/adelphia

How's your signal strength, particularly on 105? It's hard to determine what the actual signal strength is on the Fusion on QAM tuning, as it almost always shows above 90% if there's anything there.

I had a problem with some of the QAM channels until I realized that I'd inadvertently put an EXTRA splitter in the line between the other room and here. Removing that got me a perfectly strong signal and cleared up my QAM difficulties. And I'm running a 25 foot cable between the living room and here!

When I did have the problems, the signal strength was close to 90% on the Fusion on those channels. After removing the extra splitter, the signal strength shows 97-100%.


So, following the splitter angle, I started trying various combinations. Turns out that my coax surge protector built into my Belkin power strip blocks out QAM channel 105. Doesn't seem to affect the cable modem or any other channels. Even swapped out the Belkin with another APC surge protector that I had in, and it too blocks the same channel. Ruled out other sources such as splitters by going direct, as well, and it's the surge protectors.

So, does anybody receive channel 105 on Adelphia QAM *AND* use a coax surge protector?
If so, what brand/model #?

Anybody else ever experience a problem with QAM and surge protectors?

I just happened to notice that ZAP2IT.com is now listing channel 17 on Adelhia Suburbs as STO. It's also listing channel 179 as well as STO.

And since TiVo uses the same source (Tribune Media Services), it is also now listing channel 17 as STO (as well as 179). More specifically, it has two listings for 17, one the Community Channel and one STO. Presumably, this won't make a difference...whichever you choose to record from, it'll still record 17 at those hours/times.

My TiVo also took listings for 798 as STO, though I turned it off in the list due to the fact I don't have an HDTivo.

As far as that Cox SA box - I imagine it wouldn't work unless Adelphia provisions it. It'll be interesting to see if they will. Adelphia does support SA equipment, of course, so who knows how difficult it will be?

Anybody else ever experience a problem with QAM and surge protectors?

The splitter I described in the first reply to you was actually a surge protector. I wasn't being clear when I wrote it :) The cable is already split at the wall from the need to feed both the TV line and the cable modem. The surge protector acted as a second splitter would, as far as a reduction in signal strength.

I'm not entirely clear if it was the fact that the surge protector was a surge protector blocking frequencies, or if it was just that it was further reducing signal strength and THEN causing problems. Either way, the signal strength went up dramatically when I took the SP out of the mix.

I don't recall if any QAM channels were actually not working before - I believe they were, just at a much lower signal strength. I don't recall either of the QAM channels carrying the local HD affiliates not working fully...just the ones that had 90% strength and were flaky before I removed the surge protector from the circuit, which jumped to near 100% after that.

I'm on WOW and noticed that during today's Indians/Tigers game on STO, the audio on the digital channel 221 was slightly out of sync, while there was no audio sync problem on the analog channel 72. It also seems to me that on the digital channel there was some slight "frame strobing" aka "I can see the individual frames" when you looked directly at the baseball when thrown or looked closely at the bat when the bat was swung. (today's game was in SD, not HD) Anybody else notice this on the other systems?

I'm on WOW and noticed that during today's Indians/Tigers game on STO, the audio on the digital channel 221 was slightly out of sync, while there was no audio sync problem on the analog channel 72. It also seems to me that on the digital channel there was some slight "frame strobing" aka "I can see the individual frames" when you looked directly at the baseball when thrown or looked closely at the bat when the bat was swung. (today's game was in SD, not HD) Anybody else notice this on the other systems?

No, on Adelphia everything appeared normal. The only thing I noticed was during some of the commercials there was some static to my rear speakers (pro logic II).

Outside of that a very boring game with a bad ending. :)

I'm on WOW and noticed that during today's Indians/Tigers game on STO, the audio on the digital channel 221 was slightly out of sync, while there was no audio sync problem on the analog channel 72.

221 is where they put the HD games, right?

On Adelphia, they don't even populate 798 if the game is not in HD, like this one. Of course, Adelphia has the existing digital SD channel 179, and both it and analog 17 were fine here today.

It must be something in how WOW upconverted it to 221 or something.

221 is where they put the HD games, right?

On Adelphia, they don't even populate 798 if the game is not in HD, like this one. Of course, Adelphia has the existing digital SD channel 179, and both it and analog 17 were fine here today.

It must be something in how WOW upconverted it to 221 or something.

Yes, 221 is where WOW puts the HD games. It's hard to tell that the audio was out of sync since you typically don't see the faces of the announcers speaking during the game, but it was quite apparent when the commercials came on. It's also out of sync on the replay tonight.

The splitter I described in the first reply to you was actually a surge protector. I wasn't being clear when I wrote it :) The cable is already split at the wall from the need to feed both the TV line and the cable modem. The surge protector acted as a second splitter would, as far as a reduction in signal strength.

I'm not entirely clear if it was the fact that the surge protector was a surge protector blocking frequencies, or if it was just that it was further reducing signal strength and THEN causing problems. Either way, the signal strength went up dramatically when I took the SP out of the mix.

I don't recall if any QAM channels were actually not working before - I believe they were, just at a much lower signal strength. I don't recall either of the QAM channels carrying the local HD affiliates not working fully...just the ones that had 90% strength and were flaky before I removed the surge protector from the circuit, which jumped to near 100% after that.
So, if I understand this correctly, you are not surge-protecting the input to your QAM card? I guess it just seemed to me to defeat the purpose of the surge protectors for the rest of the PC if lightning would just follow the path through the cable to the card...

In my tests, I removed all "regular" splitters and just had the surge protector in-line. Still had the issue. I don't know if there's such a thing as a "high-quality, low-level signal loss" surge protector out there, does anyone?

So, if I understand this correctly, you are not surge-protecting the input to your QAM card? I guess it just seemed to me to defeat the purpose of the surge protectors for the rest of the PC if lightning would just follow the path through the cable to the card...

Correct, I am not. I am not happy about it, but I can't use the tuner to its fullest otherwise.

In effect, I'm crossing my fingers. Though if it gets particularly bad thunderstorm wise, I just disconnect the thing...


In my tests, I removed all "regular" splitters and just had the surge protector in-line. Still had the issue. I don't know if there's such a thing as a "high-quality, low-level signal loss" surge protector out there, does anyone?

Wish I knew...I'm in the same boat.

I've got several different types of surge protection for my electronics. When I bought my generator I noticed that the ones that controled my SA 8300 and computer became "unstable" when my generator came on. The UPS would click on and off constantly. An electrician explained it had to do with the "noise" the generator put out.

I then purchased an APC XS 1500. I did a "test outage" and this unit handled the change in power with no problem. It has a "stabelizer" built in it to handle these type of things.

Guys, I don't know if this relates really to what your talking about but it kind of sounds like it might.

I don't know if there's such a thing as a "high-quality, low-level signal loss" surge protector out there, does anyone?Not sure if this qualifies, but my electrician installed a Whole-House surge protector from SquareD. It installs between the feed and the panel and the model I got had inputs for Coax as well. When Adelphia came out to do the initial setup, they measured the signal before and after hooking it up to the surge protector. I don't know what measurement device they were using, but I recall it being 106 before and 103 after. Once it goes through my surge protector, it then gets spilt in two, one for Internet, one for TV, which then gets split 6 ways for the house. Two of those 6 are going into HD-DVRs and I've never had a problem with signal, that I can tell anyway.