I don't have the new equipment, and don't have a channel 96 in my guide. I thought I'd give it a try since everything in the 90's on D* has traditionally been the old MPEG2 format. I thought they might make up a new range of channel numbers for MPEG4 stuff but maybe not...

It's my understanding that 96 has been set aside for the new MPEG4 local RSNs. So, if you had that and you're in Cleveland, you'd get STO there...in Detroit, HD out of FSN Detroit, etc...

I asked this earlier in the week so here it goes again i have DTV HD with the locals in HD i had the WJW audio problem not sure if thats gone. But the problem i have had since day one is WKYC HD and now STO HD channel 96 seems like its in slow motion is anyone else having that problem with either channel?? i have the H20 and the 5 lnb dish

It does sound like they're working on some glitches in the MPEG4 HD locals.

You are getting STO, then? (Even with problems...)

Both are 1080i, if that means anything.

Oh it looks great even for DTV but it just seems wierd its almost like you are watching a replay instead of live tv and i know its on DTVs end since WKYC does it too and STO broadcasts from WKYC guess i shouldnt complain i didnt expect STO HD for 3-5 yrs the way DTV rolls things out

Oh it looks great even for DTV but it just seems wierd its almost like you are watching a replay instead of live tv and i know its on DTVs end since WKYC does it too and STO broadcasts from WKYC guess i shouldnt complain i didnt expect STO HD for 3-5 yrs the way DTV rolls things out

You really should call DirecTV and tell a CSR about the glitches. They probably still need input.

I don't think the problem has anything to do with the fact that STO uses WKYC's technical facilities, but I could be wrong. My guess is that it's some 1080i-related issue. 5 and 8 are both 720p.

I live in Louisville (East of Canton) and am trying to pull down KDKA(ch2) out of Pittsburgh and/or WTRF(ch9) in Wheeling and am not having much luck. Is there anyone close to me that is able to pull these channels clearly?

Also, I am using a preamp that came from my old house that was installed by the cable company for cable. It definitely helps the reception but could a different preamp make more of a difference? Would I be better served with a preamp that is more designed for OTA or are they simular?

I have a good (I think) CM model 4228 8 bay UHF antenna along with a combo U/V/FM antenna. Can I mount them both and "splice" them together? Will that make for better reception?

Any advice/critism is appreciated! Thanks.

Sigh, let's try this again.

STO would only be in HD (if it's up) on channel 96 (NOT 95!). No MLB EI subscription should be needed.

It would only show up if you have the newer MPEG4 HD equipment, the same equipment that now feeds HD LIL (local-into-local) channels like 3, 5 and 8 (19 whenever they get off their butts and agree to it).

If you don't have the new equipment and don't get 3/5/8 in HD from DirecTV's satellites, this message isn't for you...but I thought we had at least a couple of folks with the new HD stuff in here, which is why I asked.

By what you are saying, I must have the 5 LNB dish?
I have the H20 receiver with 3 LNB dish.
I did not receive 95 on my Samsung 160.
Is 96 on the new satellites that requires the 5 LNB dish?
That would explain a lot.
I was told by DTV that only locals would be on the newer satellites; nothing else.
that is why I do not have the new dish.
If I am missing something, then that changes things
thanks

I live in Louisville (East of Canton) and am trying to pull down KDKA(ch2) out of Pittsburgh and/or WTRF(ch9) in Wheeling and am not having much luck. Is there anyone close to me that is able to pull these channels clearly?

Also, I am using a preamp that came from my old house that was installed by the cable company for cable. It definitely helps the reception but could a different preamp make more of a difference? Would I be better served with a preamp that is more designed for OTA or are they simular?

I have a good (I think) CM model 4228 8 bay UHF antenna along with a combo U/V/FM antenna. Can I mount them both and "splice" them together? Will that make for better reception?

Any advice/critism is appreciated! Thanks.I presume you are trying to get the digital signals from KDKA and WTRF. KDKA is digital on ch 25. If you can receive the analog WVIZ at your location forget KDKA. You may be out of luck for the analog as well, since WKYC is digital on ch 2.


If it's an alternate CBS you are looking for try WKBN-DT out of Youngstown: analog 27, digital 41. Their digital signal has a very large coverage area, Louisville is definitly inside the circle for WKBN-DT. As a bonus WKBN-DT has a subchannel carrying the SD channel WYFX-LP which is a FOX affilliate. Come football season you can get all the available OTA games off one signal!

BTW: Forget the preamp! If a cable company installed it, it may only amplify VHF and the cable band channels. Unless your cable system had 125 analog channels this preamp will not help any UHF signals, in fact it may make them worse!

The 8-bay UHF antenna is a good choice for digital reception. DO NOT ADD the "combo" antenna! Insted find a good VHF only antenna and use a VHF/UHF coupler, rather than a generic splitter. The advantage with seperate VHF & UHF antennas is you can aim the 2 antennas in different directions without needing a rotor (if all your VHF signals came from one direction) The 8-bay UHF antenna is virtually bi-directional, that is it can pick-up signals clearly from 2 directions at the same time. Aim the "back side" towards the strongest station(s) and thr front towards the weakest. That combo antenna probably is much more directional, you would need a rotor for best results.

I live in Louisville (East of Canton) and am trying to pull down KDKA(ch2) out of Pittsburgh and/or WTRF(ch9) in Wheeling and am not having much luck. Is there anyone close to me that is able to pull these channels clearly?

Also, I am using a preamp that came from my old house that was installed by the cable company for cable. It definitely helps the reception but could a different preamp make more of a difference? Would I be better served with a preamp that is more designed for OTA or are they simular?

I have a good (I think) CM model 4228 8 bay UHF antenna along with a combo U/V/FM antenna. Can I mount them both and "splice" them together? Will that make for better reception?

Any advice/critism is appreciated! Thanks.

I live in SW part of Canton. Using a Winegard PR-7037 VHF/UHF/FM antenna and preamplifier, rotator and a 50' tower, I can usually get KDKA (ch 2) only marginally, sometimes a little better when conditions are right. I suspect this may be at least in part due to the fact that WKYC-DT in Cleveland is also on channel 2. (KDKA probably is also responsible for some of the problems with WKYC-DT).

Reception from WTOV (ch 9) and WTOV-DT (ch 57) from Steubenville is quite good. Reception from WTRF (ch 7) in Wheeling WV is fair to good depending upon reception conditions. The WTRF-DT (ch 32) signal level is too low for a lock but this is to be expected as they are still on very low power. (They've been saying since last year that a power increase is coming "soon").

Pittsburgh stations received here most consistently are WPXI (ch 11) and WPGH (ch 53). I'm not sure why this is so. During the summer months, I also get WPXI-DT (ch 48) and WPMY-DT (ch 42) with long periods of strong reception (especially at night) and all the other Pittsburgh DT stations frequently. KDKA-DT and WPGH-DT may be the most difficult as they share their channels with Cleveland analog stations on chs 25 and 43 respectively.

I would think that a preamp designed for over-the-air use would do a better job than one intended for cable TV but I can't speak as an expert on that. A good VHF/UHF would probably be the best as Pittsburgh and Wheeling-Steubenville stations are operating in both those ranges. I think that splicing the two antennas together might be tricky to get optimum results but maybe some others in this group could speak on that.

Hope this has been of some help to you. :)

I was told by DTV that only locals would be on the newer satellites; nothing else.
that is why I do not have the new dish.


I believe that is correct. You have the right receiver, from what I've read, but you do need the new dish to get not only the locals, but SportsTime Ohio in HD. Consider it as just another "HD local" and you'll get the picture. (Literally, if you got the new dish. :D)

If you don't get 3/5/8 in HD now from DirecTV's satellites, you won't get STO.

By what you are saying, I must have the 5 LNB dish?
I have the H20 receiver with 3 LNB dish.
I did not receive 95 on my Samsung 160.
Is 96 on the new satellites that requires the 5 LNB dish?
That would explain a lot.
I was told by DTV that only locals would be on the newer satellites; nothing else.
that is why I do not have the new dish.
If I am missing something, then that change things
thanks

Yes you must have the A9 5LNB dish. With the H20 as is you will only see the current HD not the local into local (3, 5, 8, 19 claims they are negotiating and hope to have a deal by the start of the NFL season.) 96 is ONLY on found with the new dish. You should still see Channel 95 with your current setup and old boxes though but be blacked up to tonight. As far as being told that only locals and nothing else will be on the new satellites that is FALSE. D* has plans to have all future HD channels appear as MPEG4 only meaning they wont work with the older setups. That will take time though to achieve.

Looks like Food Network HD is not working on WOW tonight. Channel 217 exists in the guide, but no call letters are visible and it says "box not authorized" when I try to tune to it.

Looks like Food Network HD is not working on WOW tonight. Channel 217 exists in the guide, but no call letters are visible and it says "box not authorized" when I try to tune to it.

If Adelphia gave me The Food Network in HD I think I'd actually be p.o'd. Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of getting as much HD as possible but come on, The Food Network? Do the dishes look better in HD? Watching the knife action much clearer?

Sorry, I just don't get it but to each his own.

Another totally useless HD channel that Adelphia does offer is The NFL Network, which from what I've seen has absolutely no HD programing (at least at the times I've glanced at it). That's a real shame, because there is a channel that could make some great use of HD.

But as I said, to each his own. :)

NFL Network's "Game of the Week" is in HD. In the fall, you'll see much more, especially when they start showing live games later in the season.

If Adelphia gave me The Food Network in HD I think I'd actually be p.o'd. Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of getting as much HD as possible but come on, The Food Network? Do the dishes look better in HD? Watching the knife action much clearer?

Sorry, I just don't get it but to each his own.

Another totally useless HD channel that Adelphia does offer is The NFL Network, which from what I've seen has absolutely no HD programing (at least at the times I've glanced at it). That's a real shame, because there is a channel that could make some great use of HD.

But as I said, to each his own. :)

I'm not watching Food-HD 24/7 myself, but posted to find out if any other WOW people are having the same problems. As of now, WOW is sending out a tech tomorrow because of my STOHD problem the other night. I'm sure it's nothing wrong on my end, but they insist on sending a tech out... Maybe I can convince the guy to give me a SA8300HD instead of this SA8000HD.

Food Network HD goes to some interesting travel destinations as well, so you get some Discovery-HD quality travel programming. And yes, the food DOES look better in 1080i! :D

I know it's been asked again and again. I know WVIZ was having issues. Are we now looking at Full Power transmission in Fall/Winter of 2006/2007?

I wanna get WVIZ in digital. It's the only thing I really can't get yet. Sadly, I can't get the local Akron PBS because of the direction it is broadcasted from.

NFL Network's "Game of the Week" is in HD. In the fall, you'll see much more, especially when they start showing live games later in the season.

I think I saw that they had the quiz games with the NHL stars in HD. As far as the "game of the week" I'm not interested in watching old games. So taking the whole HD productions into consideration how much HD is that on a yearly basis? I don't think it adds up to much.

I'd rather see USA, TNT, or FX in HD. I'll watch my football on the networks in the fall on Sunday, thank you. :)

I know it's been asked again and again. I know WVIZ was having issues. Are we now looking at Full Power transmission in Fall/Winter of 2006/2007?

I wanna get WVIZ in digital. It's the only thing I really can't get yet. Sadly, I can't get the local Akron PBS because of the direction it is broadcasted from.

Sadly, even if you could receive WEAO-DT (PBS) out of Akron, you wouldn't get HD PBS. They no longer transmit HDTV programming. WEAO-DT has equipment problems which prevents them from transmitting HDTV as they planned from 7pm to midnight.

Tough to receive OTA PBS HD in the Akron area, what a shame, since PBS HD shows some , what I think, is great programming.

Sadly, even if you could receive WEAO-DT (PBS) out of Akron, you wouldn't get HD PBS. They no longer transmit HDTV programming. WEAO-DT has equipment problems which prevents them from transmitting HDTV as they planned from 7pm to midnight.Oh... that's right... that was the Akron PBS station with those issues....

Tough to receive OTA PBS HD in the Akron area, what a shame, since PBS HD shows some , what I think, is great programming.
I wouldn't be able to receive it in HD, but the DTV feed would be swell. So if it's the Akron station with the issues, what is holding WVIZ back or are they still on schedule. I need my Ideastream *dum dum dum*!
:)

Clarifications here:

* Re: WEAO - 45/49's Don Freeman posted in this very thread that they have had various equipment issues that prevent them from doing HD on WNEO-DT/WEAO-DT. They are in the process of resolving those issues and do intend to bring back PBS HD.

* WVIZ/25 reportedly had still more issues to solve beside the ones we'd heard they'd taken care of last year (in specific, the construction at the WVIZ analog site that had been held up in a legal dispute with CBS Radio, which owns and operates the site for WNCX/98.5). I don't know what those new issues are, but they were presumably were hoping to be on sometime this summer at full power...

* The NFL Game of the Week on NFL Network HD is not necessarily old games during the season. They'll run a condensed 60 minute presentation of one of the big games from the previous week. (Off-season, they'll run a number of different games.) I don't know if this changes with the actual game broadcasts being available this season, though I know they'll only do those live games the last few weeks of the season.

NFL Network HD also did a lot of pre-season HD games last year, including the Browns/Giants game that aired here only in SD on WOIO/19. The HD feed of that game, obviously, was out of the Big Apple...

This may not be pertinent to yespage's situation...I don't know where he's located...but if you're in the Akron-Canton area, another good possibility for PBS-HD is WOUC-DT, ch 35 in Cambridge OH. They boom into Canton with a signal just as strong or stronger than PBS in Akron. PBS-HD is on 35-1 and WOUB/WOUC regular programming on 35-2. Their transmitter site is actually several miles NE of the city of Cambridge not too far from Fairview OH. That area is S-SW from the Akron-Canton general area.

I am running basic analog cable from Adelphia (Lorain Branch) to my Samsung DLP via coax. I am able to get HD stations 3-1, 5-1, 19-1, 25-1 ?, 776, and one other which is HDBonus 796 or something like that. However, I do not get Fox HD. Just 480i DTV Fox. Any ideas? Should I be also getting "HD" stations for CBS, UPN, etc? I get digital stations but no HD ones for these..

UPN is not available on Adelphia in HD.

I do not have a clue as to how your getting all that other stuff.

I am running basic analog cable from Adelphia (Lorain Branch) to my Samsung DLP via coax. I am able to get HD stations 3-1, 5-1, 19-1, 25-1 ?, 776, and one other which is HDBonus 796 or something like that. However, I do not get Fox HD. Just 480i DTV Fox. Any ideas? Should I be also getting "HD" stations for CBS, UPN, etc? I get digital stations but no HD ones for these..
"25-1 ?" It would be hard for a Lorain cable system to receive the WVIZ HD signal since they are transmitting with only 1 kw from a very short tower (99' :eek: )on Brookpark Road. I can just barely get it here in Parma, only around 2 miles from the transmitter! Perhaps they are giving you a "digitized" version of the analog "25-0". If the programming on your version of 25 matches the TV Guide then it's the analog feed.

WVIZ, unlike WEAO does not broadcast a digital version of the main analog channel.

As for why you cant get FOX, CBS or UPN ask your cable system. They are on the air - but want extra $$$ from the cable companies to carry the digital signals (at least I know it's true for the Raycom stations WOIO and WUAB. As for WJW that is a surprise. I believe WJW is on other cable systems)

"25-1 ?" It would be hard for a Lorain cable system to receive the WVIZ HD signal since they are transmitting with only 1 kw from a very short tower (99' :eek: )on Brookpark Road. I can just barely get it here in Parma, only around 2 miles from the transmitter! Perhaps they are giving you a "digitized" version of the analog "25-0". If the programming on your version of 25 matches the TV Guide then it's the analog feed.

WVIZ, unlike WEAO does not broadcast a digital version of the main analog channel.

As for why you cant get FOX, CBS or UPN ask your cable system. They are on the air - but want extra $$$ from the cable companies to carry the digital signals (at least I know it's true for the Raycom stations WOIO and WUAB. As for WJW that is a surprise. I believe WJW is on other cable systems)


25-1 (PBS) that I'm receiving is clearly 1080i, judging from what is listed on the TV menu screen as well as how it actually looks (16:9, PBS HD logo). Is it possible that it's analog but still 1080i? As for what you are saying in your third paragraph, perhaps that is why I can get Fox DTV 480i but not Fox HD? Sounds pretty stupid that they'd allow me to receive all those other HD stations but not Fox. I'm surprised that I'm receiving DiscoveryHD when it's listed as part of the HD-Plus Tier.

The MLB All-Star game is coming up and I want to watch it :(

The MLB All-Star game is coming up and I want to watch it :(

hmmm, anyone know what channel that's on for D* in HD?? ^_^

Adelphia in NE Ohio does carry WVIZ-DT's HD feed in full 1080i, and has for some time. It has nothing to do with the distance from WVIZ's temporary DT transmitter...it's picked up in downtown Cleveland and fed out via Adelphia's own systems.

It sounds like you do have a QAM tuner, or you wouldn't be getting 776 (DISC HD) and 798 (HDBON - aka the HD channel for STO and FSN Ohio).

With that, you should be getting WJW's HD feed. I don't know why it is not coming through...it rides on a channel with one or two of the other network affiliates, so if you get them, you should get WJW-DT (the HD version, not the digital simulcast of the analog signal).

Don't lose too much sleep about the All-Star Game, though...there's no indication FOX will cover it in HD. Check the "HDTV Programming" area for any thread on this. They may do it, but I haven't checked...if not, it'll be in 480p upconverted to 720p as "FOX Widescreen".

One thought - on my Fusion QAM tuner (USB HDTV5), WJW shows up with an odd channel number - "1051" (presumably a conversion of its presence on QAM channel 105, sub 1 or 2).

All the other digital local stations, including the analog simulcasts in HD, are properly mapped to the channel number. "1051" does have the WJW HD identifier, though.

Every TV ad for the All Star Game states that it will be in HD (as was last year's)

Every TV ad for the All Star Game states that it will be in HD (as was last year's)

Oh, that's right...they DO do the All-Star game in HD. Just none of the other games until the playoffs. :D

Every TV ad for the All Star Game states that it will be in HD (as was last year's)"I'm sittin' on top of the world..." :D
I've must have seen that promo dozens of times, even on STO!

I will say that my tuner recognized likely hundreds of digital stations, almost all of them having black screens with no sound (yet resolution and audio for the station are listed). I can't click from channel to channel from 98 to 798...it takes forever. I did try it once and found these channels:

85-12 Japanese channel?
110-8 WJW Fox (480i)
157 Logo (480i)
181 Ohio (480i)
183 WKYC-3 (480i)
300 Bark (480i)


plus 776 as 798 as mentioned before.

I will try ch. 1051 tomorrow and see if anything shows up. It didn't program when I used "auto program".

Oh, that's right...they DO do the All-Star game in HD. Just none of the other games until the playoffs. :D

Fox network can't seem to make money off of baseball to save their lives. So, in order to save a whole bunch of money on HD transmission and trucks, they go El-Cheapo for the Saturday afternoon games. Which as we all know just look like garbage, especially when the home TV normally presents in HD, they take a game away!

OK, here's your list:


85-12 Japanese channel?


I'm not sure what that channel is, but I've seen it. :D


110-8 WJW Fox (480i)


This is the digital simulcast of analog WJW. It's what a cable box puts out when you tune to "8". Adelphia does this "digital substitution" with all the local stations except for 23/49/55/61/67.


157 Logo (480i)


Gay and lesbian themed digital channel. I have no idea why this is in the clear, but I get it, too.


181 Ohio (480i)


"The Ohio Channel", statewide public affairs channel out of Columbus (state legislature, other public affairs programming). It comes into Adelphia as a subchannel of WVIZ-DT, and is on digital cable channel 181.


183 WKYC-3 (480i)


That's WKYC's "NBC Weather Plus" feed, not the main channel. Also on digital 183. (Notice that some of these numbers are matching. :D)


300 Bark (480i)


All dogs, all the time. Woof! No, just kidding. It's the "BARKER" channel for pay per view movies (i.e. commercial previews intended to try to get you to buy PPV). I believe this is also on digital cable 300, another PSIP match.


plus 776 as 798 as mentioned before.


Also matched to their numbers on the digital boxes, BTW.


I will try ch. 1051 tomorrow and see if anything shows up. It didn't program when I used "auto program".

It would actually be cable channel 105, if you want to manually scan it. I'm not sure it's on subchannel 1 or 2, but that won't matter if you can pick it up on the scan.

As I said, I believe that Adelphia isn't properly adding PSIP information to the channel, so your tuner may be missing it...but you do get that foreign language channel, which I don't think has PSIP either.

85-12 Japanese channel?


TVJAPAN is in the clear? That channel costs $25.00 a month. I study Japanese, i mighthave to get a QAM tuner so i could check that channel out.

Fox network can't seem to make money off of baseball to save their lives. So, in order to save a whole bunch of money on HD transmission and trucks, they go El-Cheapo for the Saturday afternoon games. Which as we all know just look like garbage, especially when the home TV normally presents in HD, they take a game away!

I hope when this contract is up someone else gets baseball. The only games you see outside of Chicago are Boston or New York.

I think ESPN would be good for Saturday baseball, they do a great job on the evening games. I'm not certain baseball is ready to give up the idea of OTA broadcasting, it's suppose to be the "affordable" pro sport so they want to make sure they hit low income houses.

But as I see it looking at the really dilapidated houses along I 77 the other day they all get ESPN. True, they don't have windows and bed sheets hung up but they all had satellite dishes. It's a site to see, head North from 480 and you see them on the right.

Update: Tried 1051, 105-1, 105-2...no success.

Update: Tried 1051, 105-1, 105-2...no success.

I don't know what to tell you, then.

WJW-DT sits on QAM channel 105 with WEWS-DT. If you get WEWS's HD feed, you should get WJW's. Maybe the PSIP being messed up on WJW is preventing your tuner from filing it in the channel list? Have you tried scanning again?

For that matter, I don't believe we know what tuner you have.

It's whatever tuner is in a Samsung HL-S5088W. I tried a new scan for stations and the end result was the same.

It's whatever tuner is in a Samsung HL-S5088W. I tried a new scan for stations and the end result was the same.

QAM is kinda finicky in general.

It looks like whatever Adelphia has put in the WJW-DT PSIP is incompatible with your set's tuner.

And that's about the end of this one...because unless Adelphia fixes that PSIP to look like the other channels that you DO get, you may not ever get this on your set. And most cable companies (including Adelphia) are not at all willing to help you with this... fully 90% of the CSRs don't even know what QAM tuning IS, let alone are they willing to help you with it.

The only suggestion I have at this point is to call 'em and play CSR roulette... maybe you'll get lucky. I would not be at all surprised if you get a brick wall, though.

QAM is kinda finicky in general.

It looks like whatever Adelphia has put in the WJW-DT PSIP is incompatible with your set's tuner.

And that's about the end of this one...because unless Adelphia fixes that PSIP to look like the other channels that you DO get, you may not ever get this on your set. And most cable companies (including Adelphia) are not at all willing to help you with this... fully 90% of the CSRs don't even know what QAM tuning IS, let alone are they willing to help you with it.

The only suggestion I have at this point is to call 'em and play CSR roulette... maybe you'll get lucky. I would not be at all surprised if you get a brick wall, though.


If I were to get a CableCARD or STB would it likely work?

If I were to get a CableCARD or STB would it likely work?

The STB, definitely. That's what they support. :) If you got an HD STB or DVR, WJW-DT in HD is on channel 708. WKYC-DT is 703, WEWS-DT is 705, WOIO-DT is 704, and WVIZ-DT is 710.

I assume a cable card would work as well, or at least it's supposed to work. I have no experience with cable card w/Adelphia, though...and haven't heard of anyone here using it for HDTV.

QAM tuning is basically "unsupported" by the cable companies.

If I were to get a CableCARD or STB would it likely work?

If you got a STB, guaranteed it would work because you wouldn't be using your TV's tuner anymore.

CableCard would be a good solution, if you don't order PPV and can live without the cable company on screen guide. Current cable card implementation is only one-way. CableCard *should* work, but I've read threads on AVS about compatibility issues with different models of TV, and also competence issues (or should I say lack thereof) on the cable company's part getting the CableCard to work.

Current cable card implementation is only one-way. CableCard *should* work, but I've read threads on AVS about compatibility issues with different models of TV, and also competence issues (or should I say lack thereof) on the cable company's part getting the CableCard to work.

It's almost like they want you to spend the extra bucks and rent the STB, which would be at least $3-4 more a month.

Nahhhhhhh...that couldn't be it. ;)

As far as CableCard vs STB, with CableCard I wouldn't be able to do PPV (which I never do anyways) but I also would not be able to use VOD. Is there a difference between "On Demand" and "In Demand"? I plan to get the HD Plus Tier at some point, just not now, and it has two stations which are "In Demand HD" 1 and 2. If CableCard won't get these two HD stations, the entire package would only give me 5 more stations (NFL HD, HDNET, HDNET Movies, ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD).

I have TVGOS so if that works properly, the Adelphia interactive programming guide wouldn't be much of a concern to me.

What I find strange is that on the Adelphia channel listing online, the local HD stations are 703-710 and listed as "Broadcast HD", and I get nothing there. Meanwhile I can tune into 776 and 798 fine. 798 is also listed as "Broadcast HD" for them like the locals, but 776 is listed as a premium station and part of the HD Plus Tier. I'm guessing they have this channel screwed up and I shouldn't really be receiving DiscoveryHD at all.

Of course, I can access the locals at 3-1, 5-1, 19-1, 25-1 though...except FOX. :(

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/cabletv/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002801330

hmmm, anyone know what channel that's on for D* in HD?? ^_^

Either 8-1 over OTA or Channel 88 from FoxNY since Fox8 is O&O. That is unless you have the MPEG4 equipment already in that case its on Channel 8.

As far as CableCard vs STB, with CableCard I wouldn't be able to do PPV (which I never do anyways) but I also would not be able to use VOD. Is there a difference between "On Demand" and "In Demand"? I plan to get the HD Plus Tier at some point, just not now, and it has two stations which are "In Demand HD" 1 and 2. If CableCard won't get these two HD stations, the entire package would only give me 5 more stations (NFL HD, HDNET, HDNET Movies, ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD).

I have TVGOS so if that works properly, the Adelphia interactive programming guide wouldn't be much of a concern to me.



From what you're saying, I would give the CableCard a try, with the understanding that you won't be able to order PPV movies through the remote.

InDemand aka "INHD" is similar to HDNet, just another regular HD channel. With a CableCard you should be able to receive it just fine along with the rest of the HD Plus tier.

I finally put up an outdoor antenna aimed at Youngstown. Previously I used a Silver Sensor indoor antenna and got WKBN-DT usually at night only.

My new antenna is a Radio Shack U-75R. I'm getting an average of 103 for WKBN-DT on the signal meter on my E* 921. Previously I was lucky to break a 70, and I experienced many break-ups. Now my reception is solid 24/7.

The U-75R is extremely directional, so much so that it picks up very little from the back end. I had though it would pick up WJW-DT 31 since their tower is almost a perfect 180 degrees from WKBN. Insted I don't get a lockable signal on WJW and I'm only.8 of a mile from their tower (that's no typo folks, I mean eight tenths of a mile).

Ironically it does pick up WOIO-DT 10 at almost 90 degrees off axis (actually I think it's becuse UHF-only antennas can pick-up the VHF high signals but less directional)
None of the other Cleveland stations will lock, however (and they all are almost as close as WJW).

I only wish I could get a lock on WFMJ-DT. I see a signal on the meter, but it still is not quite enough to lock. Arn't they and WYTV due for a power increase soon?

I'm all set for football season now!

What I find strange is that on the Adelphia channel listing online, the local HD stations are 703-710 and listed as "Broadcast HD", and I get nothing there. Meanwhile I can tune into 776 and 798 fine. 798 is also listed as "Broadcast HD" for them like the locals, but 776 is listed as a premium station and part of the HD Plus Tier. I'm guessing they have this channel screwed up and I shouldn't really be receiving DiscoveryHD at all.


On my lineup online, it says this:


776
DISC HD Discovery HD Broadcast HD (High Definition)


I don't know if this varies by the different pieces of Adelphia, or what, if any changes Time Warner's presence will make. (It'll probably be a few months after the merger before they even start thinking of shuffling things around.)

And the reason you get the locals as 3-1, etc., is because of the PSIP...as mentioned, WJW-DT's PSIP data is not the same.

What I find strange is that on the Adelphia channel listing online, the local HD stations are 703-710 and listed as "Broadcast HD", and I get nothing there. Meanwhile I can tune into 776 and 798 fine. 798 is also listed as "Broadcast HD" for them like the locals, but 776 is listed as a premium station and part of the HD Plus Tier. I'm guessing they have this channel screwed up and I shouldn't really be receiving DiscoveryHD at all.

Of course, I can access the locals at 3-1, 5-1, 19-1, 25-1 though...except FOX. :(

I have Adelphia also (near the Cleveland Heights office) and I am unable to get 3, 5, 8, 19, 25 through QAM in HD. The two channels I can receive in HD through QAM are the same ones others are reporting: 776 (Discovery HD) and 798 (Adelphia's bonus channel for Tribe/Cavs). I think Adelphia moved 776 (Discovery HD) into the "Broadcast HD tier" a while ago. I can also get some of the digital channels that other's have reported "free and clear" including 157, 183, etc. But just can't seem to find 3-5-8-etc.

One suggestion I received earlier is to run the cable directly into the TV (right now I had it split--one to the box, the other to the TV.) Unfortunately that didn't work. I just can't seem to find the HD locals. Which is disappointing because I had considered getting a smaller LCD HDTV for the bedroom, and was hoping to use it without the cable box.

Is there a difference between "On Demand" and "In Demand"? I plan to get the HD Plus Tier at some point, just not now, and it has two stations which are "In Demand HD" 1 and 2. If CableCard won't get these two HD stations, the entire package would only give me 5 more stations (NFL HD, HDNET, HDNET Movies, ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD).
:(

Brian81: I think you may be confusing "InDemand" the pay-per-view company with InHD and InHD2, which are two of the channels in the HD tier on Adelphia. They are not PPV or "on-demand" channels, they are merely two additional HD networks. You can check out the programming at inhd.com.

(NOTE: After I posted this I saw on Adelphia's website the two channels are listed as "inDemand HD". They are mislabeled there...hence the confusion!)

Brian81: I think you may be confusing "InDemand" the pay-per-view company with InHD and InHD2, which are two of the channels in the HD tier on Adelphia. They are not PPV or "on-demand" channels, they are merely two additional HD networks. You can check out the programming at inhd.com.

(NOTE: After I posted this I saw on Adelphia's website the two channels are listed as "inDemand HD". They are mislabeled there...hence the confusion!)

But isn't that Adelphia at it's best? :D

Brian81: I think you may be confusing "InDemand" the pay-per-view company with InHD and InHD2, which are two of the channels in the HD tier on Adelphia. They are not PPV or "on-demand" channels, they are merely two additional HD networks. You can check out the programming at inhd.com.

(NOTE: After I posted this I saw on Adelphia's website the two channels are listed as "inDemand HD". They are mislabeled there...hence the confusion!)

No confusion or mislabeling there. INHD and INHD2 are both networks provided by iN DEMAND Networks. You are correct that they are not "on-demand" nor PPV channels like most of the rest of iN DEMAND's networks.

About INHD (http://www.inhd.com/about.jsp)

I hope when this contract is up someone else gets baseball. The only games you see outside of Chicago are Boston or New York.



No such luck. Fox just re-upped for seven more years.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13819843/

No confusion or mislabeling there. INHD and INHD2 are both networks provided by iN DEMAND Networks. You are correct that they are not "on-demand" nor PPV channels like most of the rest of iN DEMAND's networks.

About INHD (http://www.inhd.com/about.jsp)


Thanks to all who have clarified the INHD confusion for me. :)

okay everyone I need help here :) I just got my HR10-250 up and running, everything is great and looks great! except I cant get cbs, I get all other stations, all at about 70-75, I currently have a radio shack 80 mile anntena with one Rg6 run from my attic to my basement, up the wall to my living room, like I said all one run, no breaks.....now here is my question, should I add a amp to my setup to maybe help with cbs (its at 35 without a amp) if so what should I get and where should I put it? I was thinking a inline amp that dosent need power that way I dont have to mess with power in the attic, or should I just get a amp and plug it in in the living room and plug the antenna into the amp, and the amp into the HR10-250? also would this kill my other stations, or just give them better signal (since they are all at low to mid 70's anyways!) thanks everyone in advance!

No such luck. Fox just re-upped for seven more years.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13819843/

Well, that's bad news in more then one way. Not a word is mentioned in that article about ESPN and since TBS is getting Sunday Night Baseball I guess that means they are out of the picture?

TBS to me means less games in HD. :mad:

I found some more on the deal at mlb's site (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060711&content_id=1552548&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb) . Apparently FOX will have the game of the week starting in April, but no mention of HD at all.

I suggest we write FOX: Congrats on your new contract, now how about showing the games in HD.....

Actually ESPN signed their contract last September. The TBS package is for an afternoon game, so ESPN will still be doing the evening game.

okay everyone I need help here :) I just got my HR10-250 up and running, everything is great and looks great! except I cant get cbs, I get all other stations, all at about 70-75, I currently have a radio shack 80 mile anntena with one Rg6 run from my attic to my basement, up the wall to my living room, like I said all one run, no breaks.....now here is my question, should I add a amp to my setup to maybe help with cbs (its at 35 without a amp) if so what should I get and where should I put it? I was thinking a inline amp that dosent need power that way I dont have to mess with power in the attic, or should I just get a amp and plug it in in the living room and plug the antenna into the amp, and the amp into the HR10-250? also would this kill my other stations, or just give them better signal (since they are all at low to mid 70's anyways!) thanks everyone in advance!
IMO I would get a powered amp in the living room. I need it to get NBC to come in.

Actually ESPN signed their contract last September. The TBS package is for an afternoon game, so ESPN will still be doing the evening game.

Thanks, funny no mention of that until I got to ESPN's page. :rolleyes: I'm glad their deal will continue, but I'm still a bit confused. TBS is getting a Sunday afternoon game, not Sunday Night Baseball? I don't mind that but I hope they don't use the black out rule because that would eliminate me watching the Dodgers on the only day that I get to see a full game because of time difference on MLB Extra Innings.

TBS wants a national package because they will be getting away from the Braves. 2007 will be the last year they show them nationally.

There's nothing in anything indicating that the Sunday game is exclusive (where ESPN's deal specifically states it with their Sunday night game). Note also that the TBS Sunday game doesn't start until 2008.


Thanks, funny no mention of that until I got to ESPN's page. :rolleyes: I'm glad their deal will continue, but I'm still a bit confused. TBS is getting a Sunday afternoon game, not Sunday Night Baseball? I don't mind that but I hope they don't use the black out rule because that would eliminate me watching the Dodgers on the only day that I get to see a full game because of time difference on MLB Extra Innings.

okay everyone I need help here :) I just got my HR10-250 up and running, everything is great and looks great! except I cant get cbs, I get all other stations, all at about 70-75, I currently have a radio shack 80 mile anntena with one Rg6 run from my attic to my basement, up the wall to my living room, like I said all one run, no breaks.....now here is my question, should I add a amp to my setup to maybe help with cbs (its at 35 without a amp) if so what should I get and where should I put it? I was thinking a inline amp that dosent need power that way I dont have to mess with power in the attic, or should I just get a amp and plug it in in the living room and plug the antenna into the amp, and the amp into the HR10-250? also would this kill my other stations, or just give them better signal (since they are all at low to mid 70's anyways!) thanks everyone in advance!

You can find a good selection of high quality preamps here: http://www.starkelectronic.com/allamps.htm
They all have two pieces - one piece that mounts on the antenna mast and the other that is next to your receiver. I believe the piece that mounts on your mast receives power through the coax from the piece that is next to your receiver. If your antenna has 300 ohm flat lead terminals, get an amp that has the 300 ohm input. As you can see, the amps get more expensive as the gain figures go up. You'll have to decide how much you want to spend.

Either 8-1 over OTA or Channel 88 from FoxNY since Fox8 is O&O. That is unless you have the MPEG4 equipment already in that case its on Channel 8.

ok, thx for responding. I was expecting it to be on some HD STO station via D* which I can't seem to receive. It showed up in the guide on channel 96 one day but no picture.

Is anyone still receiving channel 88? D* told me they can't send it anymore(even though it's o&o) because they're offering Cleveland HD locals.

ok, thx for responding. I was expecting it to be on some HD STO station via D* which I can't seem to receive. It showed up in the guide on channel 96 one day but no picture.

You won't get STO in HD on D*, on that channel 96, unless you have the equipment for HD LILs.

96 is a special event HD channel. Why would someone need the 5 lnb dish to receive STO? You might be right, I'm just curious.

News flash: At 3:30 today the FCC finally aproved the sale of Adelphia cable to Comcast/Time Warner. More info to follow when released.

Ben Music

Well, that's bad news in more then one way. Not a word is mentioned in that article about ESPN and since TBS is getting Sunday Night Baseball I guess that means they are out of the picture?

TBS to me means less games in HD. :mad:

I found some more on the deal at mlb's site (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060711&content_id=1552548&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb) . Apparently FOX will have the game of the week starting in April, but no mention of HD at all.

I suggest we write FOX: Congrats on your new contract, now how about showing the games in HD.....

IIRC, the new deal Fox signed was a more profitable one than the existing contract so maybe they will be motivated to give us some HD.

I get TNT-HD on WOW -- since that is a Turner property I wonder if that would be an outlet for TBS games in HD? Probably not, that would make too much sense. I'm sure we'll have to beg and plead and wait a full year to get TBS HD on our various cable/sat systems.

At 9:00 pm we do not have analog channels, digital are working.
We are in Burton - anyone else have this?

Thanks, JoeySR

Anyone know pricing of the advantagepaks (Digital Cable + Internet)? Curious as to how much the "Ultimatepak" (which includes all 4 Premium stations) + HD Plus Tier would cost per month? They don't provide pricing online.

We should start a poll.
Once TW takes over how much will you tolerate their rate increase before dumping them.
10 percent, 20 percent ?

At 9:00 pm we do not have analog channels, digital are working.
We are in Burton - anyone else have this?

Thanks, JoeySR

I didn't see this until this morning but what exactly were you saying? You mean all of the analog stations like TBS, FX, were out? Or where you refering to the channels on the 800 tier?

Channels in my area (Bainbridge) are digital with a converter box on 2,4,5,6, and 8. If you are watching without a converter box these channels are analog and you see them on the 800 tier with a digital box.

As of this morning everything is working in my area.

We should start a poll.
Once TW takes over how much will you tolerate their rate increase before dumping them.
10 percent, 20 percent ?

I don't think I can dump them. I still don't see any alternative for me to receive HD through any other means then cable, due to location (trees) phone service and such.

Who's to say it will cost more? And I won't mind paying a bit more if they increase HD content and quality of existing service.

I have Adelphia also (near the Cleveland Heights office) and I am unable to get 3, 5, 8, 19, 25 through QAM in HD. The two channels I can receive in HD through QAM are the same ones others are reporting: 776 (Discovery HD) and 798 (Adelphia's bonus channel for Tribe/Cavs). I think Adelphia moved 776 (Discovery HD) into the "Broadcast HD tier" a while ago. I can also get some of the digital channels that other's have reported "free and clear" including 157, 183, etc. But just can't seem to find 3-5-8-etc.

One suggestion I received earlier is to run the cable directly into the TV (right now I had it split--one to the box, the other to the TV.) Unfortunately that didn't work. I just can't seem to find the HD locals. Which is disappointing because I had considered getting a smaller LCD HDTV for the bedroom, and was hoping to use it without the cable box.


Pucky, those channels are transmitted in the clear. I suspect that you either don't have enough signal level and/or there's ingress or distortion on your line that's affecting those frequencies. I can receive 3, 5, 8 in HD with a DCR set (QAM tuner) with no trouble.

We should start a poll.
Once TW takes over how much will you tolerate their rate increase before dumping them.
10 percent, 20 percent ?Due to a lack of interest in cable, I don't even bother getting it. News? If it's important enough, it'll be OTA. Sports? There are enough options OTA and streamed online. Programs? The only thing I miss out on, but don't miss out on. I can buy DVD's to watch reruns.

Time Warner is terribly expensive. And Satelite is following close behind now. Enough people, almost everyone, seems addicted to cable though... and will pay whatever to get it. At $50 a month, that's 75 used movies you could buy a year! You could rent online all the HBO series and whatever else you'd want for under half the $50 a month. If you are willing to wait long enough, you can even get the stuff for free from the Library.

I don't understand why people pay so much to get the little they want.

alright sorry it took so long to update, I have been messing with this antenna, trying to build a new deck, keep the garden cleaned out, all on top of my regular household chores (owning a house is alot of fun, but man the work is a pain sometimes!) anyways, I put a amp on my line, and it kills my NBC signal down to 55-65, also my fox and abc go down to 70, and cbs goes up maybe 10 points :( I went over to my grandmas house who lives maybe 5 minutes from me, she just got a samsung Hdtv with a internal tuner, I reran her ground wire, and ran new Rg6 from her antenna (hers is on her roof, mine in my attic) to the tv, and she gets all Locals with all just at or about 85-90 signal (yes including NBC and CBS which I find AMAZING) she doesnt have a problem picking up anything, and has such a high signal she should have a problem even in heavy rain storms.......anyways, the point of this post (tired of reading yet? if you are even still reading) is to get my antenna outside somehow and make it look nice, wether it be through a pole mount or band it to my chimmeny, I think that is my only option, unless you guys can thnink of something else, I am out of ideas!

I don't understand why people pay so much to get the little they want.

I agree, it's expensive and if your willing to wait some times as long as 3 years you can probably get everything on DVD cheaper. But from what I see in this forum with the problems people are having receiving OTA HD, I'd rather have it delivered on cable. In addition with my DVR I watch when I want to watch, not when the networks tell me to.

If I were to get a CableCARD or STB would it likely work?

I have a cablecard with Adelpha and it works great! I do not have the HD tier, but I do get all HD locals, HD Disc and STO. Other nice thing about the cablecard is that all the channel numbers are correct.

Hookbill - It was all the analogs on my cablebox 3,4,5,6,8 and the 700"s
were ok. They were out for about 20 minutes. They came back shortly after
I posted. I thought perhaps TW had already taken over :) . Actually I was
hoping when they came back on that they would all be digital and the
analogs would be over on the 800 channels. No such luck.

BTW - Adelphia told me today that TWC will take over on August 1st and new offerings of HSI should be out by 9.15.2006.

JoeySR

Hookbill - It was all the analogs on my cablebox 3,4,5,6,8 and the 700"s
were ok. BTW - Adelphia told me today that TWC will take over on August 1st and new offerings of HSI should be out by 9.15.2006.

JoeySR

JoeySR, just so you understand channels 3,4,5,6,and 8 on the cable box ARE digital, not analog. I know it's a bit confusing but we've discussed this quite a bit here and the channels on the 800's are actually the analog ones. It works like this which is kind of strange but let's say you don't have a digital box and you hook up to Adelphia. What you would see on 3,4,5,6, and 8 is actually 803, 804, 805, 806, and 808. The proof of this is if you have a home theater system hooked up you will notice that you get a Dolby 2.0 signal from 3,4 etc. and you get a PCM signal from the 800 channels. Plus if you switch back and forth there is a the 3-8 channels and you should be able to see a difference in PQ. I do.

However if you ask a CSR at Adelphia, they will say it's opposite. Ask a tech that comes out and they will confirm what I said.

Which get's back to never believing anything a CSR tells you :) . Hope your correct about the 9/15/06 thing.

okay another update, and you guys I need a little input

This is weird, but I was up in the attic messing with the antenna, and I flipped it over,(amp attached downstairs still) and heard my Cbs go a little higher pitched, so I pointed the antenna best I could, got out of the attic ran downstairs, adn I now have NBc in at 60, Abc in at 80, Fox in at 80, cbs in at 68, Youngstown cbs/fox in at 59-61 all good pictures with no pixleation, so my antenna is upside down (yes I know which way is right side up) and I gined the Cbs (which now has weather when did that happen) and youngstown

so should I be happy and leave it as is? also anyone with the HR10-250, how low on signal do you go before losing picture, at 60 I am getting a great picture!

96 is a special event HD channel. Why would someone need the 5 lnb dish to receive STO? You might be right, I'm just curious.

I don't know DirecTV all that well, but I'm pretty sure that's correct - they're using channel 96 on the new equipment to send out the local RSN in HD.

It is not seen on the old equipment. It's a regional spot beam that uses the same facilities as the local HD LILs...if you get those, you get STO in HD. If you don't have the equipment to get those, you don't.

I don't know how that relates to D* using 96 for non-MPEG4 HD special events. Maybe they can even do both, and the new receiver maps 96 to the local RSN in HD.

Here, here's the scoop direct (ha) from a D* press release:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=127160&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=880397&highlight=

Customers who live within the RSN team territory and the spot beam area will also be required to have the H20 (MPEG4 compatible) HD receiver along with a five LNB dish to receive the RSN's HD programming. The HD games will be available on viewer channel 96 or 97 in each market, and the 24/7 RSNs will be seen on a separate channel that will have the same viewer channel number as their standard definition feed. For customers outside the spot beam, select HD games may be available on channel 95.

So it appears they are mapping the "game only" RSNs as a HD "special event" on the same channel you see MPEG2 special events on, only on the MPEG4 stuff as described above. If/when STO ever goes 24/7 with enough HD to justify DirecTV carrying it full time, it'll be on 657 on the new receivers, in HD.

I see that 19.2 is on line but not transmitting anything OTA. Anybody know what it will be?
JJK

Stewart628:
While I question the accuracy of the signal strength meters in my tuner I have had some just barely showing in the bottom 1/16th of the scale and received an excellent picture. The meter in my tuner is highly damped so you can't see quick fades which cause the dropouts. I have never seen a signal higher than about 80% on the meter.
As far as the antenna being upside down---whatever works works. Some knowledgeable people have told me antenna design is a crapshoot. They try something and if it works they then write the theory. If it doesn't work they try something else. Probably the ultimate would be a special designed rotating house with one wall a "30 ft parabolic design" and a bank of parametric amplifier front ends, one for each channel. You could augment this with another like designed house 100 ft away and 50 ft behind with the same setup and combine the two signals for space diversity if you don't mind the staggering cost. Enough fun for today.
JJK

okay another update, and you guys I need a little input

This is weird, but I was up in the attic messing with the antenna, and I flipped it over,(amp attached downstairs still) and heard my Cbs go a little higher pitched, so I pointed the antenna best I could, got out of the attic ran downstairs, adn I now have NBc in at 60, Abc in at 80, Fox in at 80, cbs in at 68, Youngstown cbs/fox in at 59-61 all good pictures with no pixleation, so my antenna is upside down (yes I know which way is right side up) and I gined the Cbs (which now has weather when did that happen) and youngstown

so should I be happy and leave it as is? also anyone with the HR10-250, how low on signal do you go before losing picture, at 60 I am getting a great picture!
Being in an attic, your antenna is subject to interference from anything metallic (foil on insulation, material used on your roof {vents}, aluminium siding on gables etc.) You just happened to stumble upon a "sweet spot" when you turned your antenna over. I bet if you hooked that antenna to an analog receiver the pictures would still look bad (not that it matters in digital, however it's not the best situation to leave your antenna). I strongly suggest that you get your antenna mounted outside.

As for how strong a signal, on my receiver (a Dish Network 921) it needs a steady 66 - 70 for a lock, YYMV with a DirecTV box. The lowest my 921 ever locked was 62, but there was alot of breakup at that level.

BTW: Did you actually see a weather program on 19-2, or was it just identified as weather in the guide? I'll have to rescan. Ever since WKBN-DT came on (and I put up an antenna on my roof aimed that way) I've been watching most of my CBS a'la Youngstown. BTW2: Did you see 27-2? That's a SD FOX channel WYFX. Come football season that channel may bring us diffent games than WJW (varies week to week). Enjoy the wonderful world of digital OTA reception!

BTW: Did you actually see a weather program on 19-2, or was it just identified as weather in the guide?

Yeah, I saw 19-2 last night also. Just a blank carrier - no picture or sound. This was probably after 10:00 last night.

I also noticed that WQHS-DT was having problems last night. I could not get a lock on their signal and the signal strength meter was bouncing like crazy up and down. No big deal - I don't speak Spanish and the World Cup is over. :D

Thanks everybody, I was actually fine tuning my antenna and one of the (I dont know what they are called, but I call them ribs for the Vhf side of channels Fell off, lol so now I cant lock cbs nbc no matter what as it isnt a balanced antenna! off to radio shack for another) anyways yeah its going to be a weather channel, showed up as woio-we on my gandmas tv, I rescanned and it popped up on mine, also the youngstown fox, no matter if youngstown cbs is kinda screwy (lighting would pixelate it) Fox was always on!

Thanks everybody, I was actually fine tuning my antenna and one of the (I dont know what they are called, but I call them ribs for the Vhf side of channels Fell off, lol so now I cant lock cbs nbc no matter what as it isnt a balanced antenna!

same thing happened to us with our RS vu-120. The longest VHF elements fell off after ice and wind and lost most of it's signal. Hopefully RS will replace your's. If not, u might wanna try Winegard. The design seems a little more solid(build & signal). It must be a real blessing having a big attic to put the antenna where it's not subject to weather. It's kinda fun messing with antennas, trying to get the best signal. It's even more fun when it works... ^_^

Here, here's the scoop direct (ha) from a D* press release:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=127160&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=880397&highlight=



So it appears they are mapping the "game only" RSNs as a HD "special event" on the same channel you see MPEG2 special events on, only on the MPEG4 stuff as described above. If/when STO ever goes 24/7 with enough HD to justify DirecTV carrying it full time, it'll be on 657 on the new receivers, in HD.

Inundated,
thx for the article link. I've been saying a long time that D* needs to offer more HD channels in MPeg4 to give customers the incentive to switch(from the 3lnb dish). It appears it's finally happening. Of course we'll want to record in HD as well..... But thx again for the article and info. You were right as rain... ^_^

Anyone else notice that the sound is off synch on WEWS-DT? For the past few weeks I've been watching Kyle XY and The Evidence and each time I've watched I've seen a problem.

I watch these shows on my SA 8300 DVR, so I'm wondering if anyone else who has seen this either during the broadcast or recorded has noticed it as well.

Not getting channels 49 1-3
Are they off the air?

Not getting channels 49 1-3
Are they off the air?

OK here, normal signal strength and receiving normal programming.

Anyone else notice that the sound is off synch on WEWS-DT? For the past few weeks I've been watching Kyle XY and The Evidence and each time I've watched I've seen a problem.

I watch these shows on my SA 8300 DVR, so I'm wondering if anyone else who has seen this either during the broadcast or recorded has noticed it as well.
I've had sporadic problems with WEWS-DT's audio sync, this is OTA via an E* 921.

Last week I was watching another channel OTA when the sound went off totaly for a second or so while the picture stayed on. There was a terrible out-of-sync condition when that happened. I "rewound" the DVR to see if the sound was out-of-sync before the audio dropped out. Suere enough it was in perfect sync before the dropout. So out-of-sync condition can happen at any time on any channel. It's not the fault of your receiver or the cable company. Digital broadcasting is still in its infancy.

I've had sporadic problems with WEWS-DT's audio sync, this is OTA via an E* 921.

Last week I was watching another channel OTA when the sound went off totaly for a second or so while the picture stayed on. There was a terrible out-of-sync condition when that happened. I "rewound" the DVR to see if the sound was out-of-sync before the audio dropped out. Suere enough it was in perfect sync before the dropout. So out-of-sync condition can happen at any time on any channel. It's not the fault of your receiver or the cable company. Digital broadcasting is still in its infancy.

Thanks for the response. The degree that these shows are out of synch vary, sometimes they are way off and others just slightly. It even appears to change as the show goes on, sometimes getting farther off then others not so off.

Strange also that it's only on WEWS. You would think they would have fixed this by now.

Thanks for the response. The degree that these shows are out of synch vary, sometimes they are way off and others just slightly. It even appears to change as the show goes on, sometimes getting farther off then others not so off.

Strange also that it's only on WEWS. You would think they would have fixed this by now.

WEWS-DT seems to have the most issues of the local broadcasters with video/audio sync. I have seen times where the sync is so bad, it is downright distracting and annoying.

And doing a fine job helping out the station :cool: .

From today's Plain Deceiver:

"Less than a month before their first preseason game, the Browns are looking for a new television partner after terminating their relationship with WOIO Channel 19.

The Browns notified the station of their intention on Thursday, three days after Channel 19 aired the 911 tape of Nancy Fisher, sister of Browns owner Randy Lerner, finding her 6-year-old daughter drowned in a creek on family property in Mantua.

Channel 19 was the only station to air the gruesome portion of Fisher's emergency call.

Bill Bonsiewicz, Browns spokesman, confirmed the team is looking for a new station to air its four preseason games and other programming throughout the season. He declined to elaborate on the reason for the abrupt switch.

The Browns were entering the second year of a three-year agreement with Channel 19.

A source said Channel 19 paid $2 million a year for the Browns' TV rights in a deal negotiated by former club president John Collins. WKYC Channel 3 had been the team's local flagship station from the expansion year of 1999 through 2004.

Bill Applegate, WOIO's general manager, could not be reached for comment. A message for news director Dan Salamone was not returned.

The airing of the 911 call was the last straw in a relationship that was rocky from the start.

Last year the Browns were at odds with the station over an on-air interview with Braylon Edwards that left the rookie receiver and his mother uncomfortable and complaining to team officials. Neither the team nor the station was satisfied with local ratings of programming supplied by the Browns on Saturday and Monday nights.

The Browns might choose to air their midweek programming on cable outlets Fox Sports Net Ohio or SportsTime Ohio. But they are obligated to televise all preseason games on an over-the-air station.

The first exhibition game is Aug. 10 in Philadelphia against the Eagles."






Will this be the final nail in 19's Tabloid News' coffin?

Probably not.

Hopefully the preseason will be picked up by one of the better local HD stations ... 3 or 8 (please not 5)

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Hopefully the preseason will be picked up by one of the better local HD stations ... 3 or 8 (please not 5)

Wonder why Channel 5 can't get their act together.

I VOTE FOR WKYC TO PICK UP THE GAMES, I Think they have the best HD signal (VHF)

I vote for any combination of 3, 8 and STO. That would give us a remote possibility, time and money permitting, of Browns pre-season HD.

Management at WOIO should get the idiot-of-the-year award for screwing their own paying customer, the Browns, by exploiting a personal tragedy.

To quote Don Henley:

"We got the bubbleheaded bleach-blonde, comes on at 5
She can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry"

I VOTE FOR WKYC TO PICK UP THE GAMES, I Think they have the best HD signal (VHF)
Maybe for you, however there are many here who have major problems with WKYC-DT. Part of the problem is that VHF signal is on ch 2 where there are 2 analog stations right next door in Detroit and Pittsburgh. This screws potential viewers of both WKYC-DT and the 2 analog stations in places like Sandusky and Alliance (both towns in the Cleveland DMA but far enough out to be affected by neighoring signals). Even viewers closer in town have serious issues with WKYC-DT.

In theory the best frequency to be on is VHF High (chs. 7 through 13). WOIO-DT is on ch 10, however there is an analog station on ch 10 in London Ontario which used to come in like a local station in Lake and Ashtabula Counties. Additionally Columbus has an analog on 10 as well which wacks Mansfield's reception of WOIO-DT.

It looks like WJW, wisely, wants to revert to ch 8 for their permanent digital channel. I wish WOIO would revert to 19. WOIO managed to block WBNS in Columbus from reverting to ch 10. WBNS was on the air for decades before WOIO, why should they get ch 10? It is dumb move on WOIO's part, not just for WBNS but also for the Canadian station - which will probably be on the air for many years after the U.S. transition is over. Fortunately WKBN-DT in Youngstown has a signal that is blanketing northeast Ohio and western PA whith a signal that reaches from the shores of Lake Erie in the city of Cleveland (no other Youngstown station reaches the lake) all the way to Pittsburgh! I'm wathcing WKBN for my CBS today here in Parma, in the shadow of the WOIO tower. :p WOIO's digital picture stinks (chroma pulsation).

Couple this technical blunder with the blunder their news department did to the Learner family (look above several posts up) and you will see WOIO digging themselves in a deep, deep hole.

Kind of a noob question, but here goes.

I'm in Cleveland Heights, about 12 - 14 miles from the main antenna farm in Parma. All the stations I really care about receiving are in that farm, within 4 deg of each other. I can elevate an antenna in my (100% wood) attic to almost 30 ft.

Anyone have an antenna recommendation? Antennaweb.org shows pretty much the entire antenna farm in the "red" zone, except for WJW-DT which is the first station shown in purple. Can I get away with a Silver Sensor or will I need something more substantial?

Kind of a noob question, but here goes.

I'm in Cleveland Heights, about 12 - 14 miles from the main antenna farm in Parma. All the stations I really care about receiving are in that farm, within 4 deg of each other. I can elevate an antenna in my (100% wood) attic to almost 30 ft.

Anyone have an antenna recommendation? Antennaweb.org shows pretty much the entire antenna farm in the "red" zone, except for WJW-DT which is the first station shown in purple. Can I get away with a Silver Sensor or will I need something more substantial?

I'm in Shaker Heights, and have one of these:
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=AD-SR15
mounted outside a 3rd floor window aimed at Parma, and I pick up all the Cleveland locals including WKYC (even though the antenna is UHF only). I have a straight coax run down to a Samsung SIR-T165 on the 1st floor, no splitters, no amps. It's a nice compact little antenna -- I didn't want to strap a big monstrosity to my chimney, nor did I want to kill myself on the ladder installing it. The specs say it's 35" long - but I think that is a typo. Maybe more like 24" long.

I did use the Silver Sensor inside the 3rd floor window for many years, but it was always a bit flaky, and WKYC was marginal.

I did not have good luck with an antenna inside the attic - I tried a medium size Radio Shack UHF/VHF outdoor antenna in the attic and it did not work for me.

Also note my Samsung SIR-T165 is a first generation HDTV tuner, so newer tuners may do much much better with a smaller antenna.

Couple this technical blunder with the blunder their news department did to the Learner family (look above several posts up) and you will see WOIO digging themselves in a deep, deep hole.

I suspect that WOIO made the decision to stay on RF channel 10 after analog shutdown for one reason - MONEY. It takes a lot less electricity to broadcast at RF channel 10 than it does at RF channel 19 and cover the same area. We are, after all, talking about Raycom! :D

If Raycom wants to save even more money, they should just shut down that sorry excuse for a news department. These stations are an embarassment to NE Ohio.

If Raycom wants to save even more money, they should just shut down that sorry excuse for a news department. These stations are an embarassment to NE Ohio.

Well, let's see. They have an anchor that likes to attend nude events. A weather guy that colors his hair. Some of the ugliest people I've ever seen on television.

I think they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel on cost with their news as it stands. :)

Although you gotta love a guy that has a name like "Harry Boomer." :D

Doesn't the NFL have a say on who broadcasts what? I mean in the sense that FOX channels do NFC and CBS does AFC? Or is it really just how the contract is worded. I somehow can't see our Local Fox 8 doing both NFC and AFC on the same day.

Doesn't the NFL have a say on who broadcasts what? I mean in the sense that FOX channels do NFC and CBS does AFC? Or is it really just how the contract is worded. I somehow can't see our Local Fox 8 doing both NFC and AFC on the same day.

I think FOX 8 is just doing the pregames, as WOIO blew it out it's butt with their comments. Also they will be the so called "Browns Station" like WOIO was.

When the season rolls out Browns games will be primarily on CBS, aka WOIO.

From Roger Brown's (Plain Dealer) column today:

"Word is WOIO

Channel 19 General Manager Bill Applegate has been seeking a meeting with Norma Lerner, mother of Browns owner Randy Lerner, in hopes of getting the Browns to reverse their sudden decision to end their local TV contract with Channel 19 (with two seasons remaining). The Browns dumped Channel 19 shortly after the station aired a 911 call made by Nancy Fisher, Randy Lerner's sister, when she discovered her daughter had drowned on the family's Mantua property.

Channel 19 has hinted it will take legal action to keep the Browns from ending their contract, which covers team preseason games and other programming. Regardless of whether it loses the Browns deal, WOIO still will air most of the team's regular-season games in 2006. Those games are aired by CBS, and Channel 19 is that network's local affiliate.

Norma Lerner is the widow of Al Lerner, the late Browns owner.

Channel 19 and Browns contract, part 2:

Word is at least two of Channel 19's big advertisers, furious that the station may lose the Browns TV deal, have been burning up Channel 19's phone lines this week, demanding answers."





The first part is laughable. Kind of reminds me of when you're a kid and the snivling spoiled brat in the neighborhood would always say "I'm gonna go tell your Mom what you did!"

The second part is the real problem for WOIO (What Our Idiots Offer). Money talks! I wonder who's going to get the ax on this one. News Director? Producer?

Doesn't the NFL have a say on who broadcasts what? I mean in the sense that FOX channels do NFC and CBS does AFC? Or is it really just how the contract is worded. I somehow can't see our Local Fox 8 doing both NFC and AFC on the same day.

I think for preseason, the NFL may not care what local station broadcasts the games. Last season I thought it was kind of an odd choice that WKYC (NBC) was doing the preseason, at the time NBC wasn't carrying any regular season NFL games at all.

The NFL has no say in stations' sale of pre-season rights. The Browns can sell to any over-air outlet in the market...it has nothing to do with the in-season broadcasts.

The vast majority of in-season games will indeed be on WOIO, no matter what happens with this situation. There's nothing the Browns can do about that part, since they're a CBS affiliate and CBS broadcasts AFC football (when the away team in the game is in the AFC).

The NFL has no say in stations' sale of pre-season rights. The Browns can sell to any over-air outlet in the market...it has nothing to do with the in-season broadcasts.

The vast majority of in-season games will indeed be on WOIO, no matter what happens with this situation. There's nothing the Browns can do about that part, since they're a CBS affiliate and CBS broadcasts AFC football (when the home team in the game is in the AFC).
Actually it's the away team that determines which network gets to carry the game.

Whenever the Browns visited an NFC team it was on CBS. Whenever an NFC team played here in Cleveland, it was on FOX. Check the schedule for yourself.

Here is all of last year: http://www.gribblenation.net/personal/jp/2005maps.html

Actually it's the away team that determines which network gets to carry the game.

Whenever the Browns visited an NFC team it was on CBS. Whenever an NFC team played here in Cleveland, it was on FOX. Check the schedule for yourself.

Here is all of last year: http://www.gribblenation.net/personal/jp/2005maps.html

You are correct. I was focusing on the phrase "home team" because the Browns are our local team, and since the games are sold out here, we always see those as well. :D

O.T. Interconnect Cables
I'll post this here, because the stores are only in N.E. Ohio.
Marc's Drug Stores have some very nice RCA brand interconnect cables.
6 foot Component Video & Stereo Audio Cable #PD6DCSA for $5.99.
3 foot Composite Video & Stereo Audio Cable #PD3SAV for $3.99.
They also have other lenghts and "S" Video cables.

Noticed that the OTA sound on 43.2 took a huge drop in level recently, kind of matching that of 3.1. I would think there is some kind of level that should be adheard too. None of the channels has the same level and the difference between the commercials and the movies is huge, maybe close to 15db. What ever happened to first carrier dropout for reference?

JJK

I was wondering if anyone outside of Massillon Cable had trouble with the HD broadcast of the Tribes game on Saturday night?

Just wanted to mention that WBNX's "Trends" page has a new updated date of Sept. 2006 for the projected launch date for the digital broadcast. Not sure that means much since only the date changed with the rest of the page remaining the same, but nonetheless it is an update.

Is the Time Warner takeover of Comcast/Adelphia still on for 8/1/06?

Ben Music

Is the Time Warner takeover of Comcast/Adelphia still on for 8/1/06?

Ben Music

It should be a go. Last I heard the only stopping it was the FCC hearing on July 13. (http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/tw-comcast_adelphia.html) As the link shows, it was approved

I lost 19-2 . I knownothing was on it.
What is going to be on it and when

I am on Massillon Cable and I was wondering if anyone else ( not on MCTV) is having problems with drop outs on the Indians HD broadcast on STO ?

Looks like the Adelphia/TWC thing is on target:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business/115381648392530.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

Though it looks like TWC will take over August 1st (a week from today!), it'll take much longer to merge the Adelphia/Comcast systems into the TWC fold...technically and all that.

I am on Massillon Cable and I was wondering if anyone else ( not on MCTV) is having problems with drop outs on the Indians HD broadcast on STO ?

When did Massillon Cable start carrying the STO HD feed? I thought they only had the analog channel.

Looks like the Adelphia/TWC thing is on target:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business/115381648392530.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

Though it looks like TWC will take over August 1st (a week from today!), it'll take much longer to merge the Adelphia/Comcast systems into the TWC fold...technically and all that.

Well, I already said it. ;) But it's nice to see it in the PD as well. Good to see they will hold prices for a bit. Hope it's not too much of an adventure.

Do they offer any HD programing that we (Adelphia)don't get?

Well, I already said it. ;) But it's nice to see it in the PD as well. Good to see they will hold prices for a bit. Hope it's not too much of an adventure.

Do they offer any HD programing that we (Adelphia)don't get?

TWC has TNT HD, and locally, WUAB in HD. Also, TWC has WNEO/WEAO while Adelphia has WVIZ. (I don't know if WNEO/WEAO's PBS HD schedule is still airing at all on cable while they work on it OTA....if so, it's basically the same feed as WVIZ-DT's on Adelphia.)

On the other hand, Adelphia has ESPN2HD, and TWC does not (though there's apparently an agreement to carry it, so that shouldn't be a big deal).

WUAB shouldn't be a problem to spread to the former Adelphia systems, since they already carry sister WOIO-DT.

I'm wondering how much of this, if any, gets done before channel lineups consolidate, and if TWC will spread WKYC's "Akron/Canton News" to Adelphia/Comcast as soon as next week. That would just require airing it on existing Adelphia local channels.

When did Massillon Cable start carrying the STO HD feed? I thought they only had the analog channel.

I am not sure it has been on since I joined the here.
Its Channel 82.2

I am not sure it has been on since I joined the here.
Its Channel 82.2

Oh, so they must be airing it as a QAM channel at least now. That might mean it's not ready for "prime time" and they still need to work on it before releasing it.

(Adelphia did the same here with Fox Sports Net Ohio's HD Cavs telecasts earlier this year.)

STO's new website still only lists the analog games on Massillon Cable 11:

http://sportstimeohio.com/sto411.php

Massillon Cable's website says the same, and does not yet list STO in HD:

http://www.massilloncabletv.com/hdtv1.html

Oh crap, they are going to switch the domain names to roadrunner.com. It will take a while it says but that answers another question about the take over. Comcast people also will have domain name changes.

Oh crap, they are going to switch the domain names to roadrunner.com.

Actually, the default for current TWC Roadrunner folks in Northeast Ohio is:

username@neo.rr.com

My sister has an account. :D

Seems like AT&T (SBC) is quickly deploying their VRAD (Project Lightspeed) boxes around here (east side). I've seen some existing VRAD boxes for a few months now, but in the last couple weeks I've passed two new sites on the way to work pouring concrete pads and digging trenches to install equipment.

Should make for an interesting Christmas season if AT&T lights up their IPTV cable service by the end of the year. The new competition might keep those existing cable prices from going up...

I lost 19-2 . I knownothing was on it.
What is going to be on it and when

Yeah, the blank feed on 19-2 disappeared for me too. I remember reading somewhere that WOIO-DT was planning a digital subchannel for sometime in the future - maybe it was Ohio Media Watch? :D

Seems like AT&T (SBC) is quickly deploying their VRAD (Project Lightspeed) boxes around here (east side). I've seen some existing VRAD boxes for a few months now, but in the last couple weeks I've passed two new sites on the way to work pouring concrete pads and digging trenches to install equipment.

Should make for an interesting Christmas season if AT&T lights up their IPTV cable service by the end of the year. The new competition might keep those existing cable prices from going up...

Just did a bit of research on Project Lightspeed. Sounds impressive but it appears since it's AT&T it will come over telephone wire. I've had broadband before and I find cable more reliable, but that was in Cincinnati.

And I would assume since I live in an "Alltel" area I would not be able to get it at all. I don't even have land line service anymore they were so bad I went with Vonage.

San Antonio Texas appears to be the only area in the country that has Lightspeed.

Edited to add: In the demos that I looked at there was not one mention of HD. They take you through a great little time capsule of communications and electronic events but nothing at all about HD.

Just did a bit of research on Project Lightspeed. Sounds impressive but it appears since it's AT&T it will come over telephone wire. I've had broadband before and I find cable more reliable, but that was in Cincinnati.

And I would assume since I live in an "Alltel" area I would not be able to get it at all. I don't even have land line service anymore they were so bad I went with Vonage.

San Antonio Texas appears to be the only area in the country that has Lightspeed.

Edited to add: In the demos that I looked at there was not one mention of HD. They take you through a great little time capsule of communications and electronic events but nothing at all about HD.

I beleive they are starting HD service in San Antonio around September timeframe, then starting to offer U-Verse in other areas this fall (I suspect Ohio, Michigan and Illinois would be high on the list). I am real curious to hear the feedback on the HD from real users. Personally I don't see how they are going to put high quality HD through that small a pipe (I've read 8Mbps will be for HD video, 6Mbps for internet data, and the rest of a 25Mbps pipe for SD channels) We shall see. Keep an eye on www.uverseusers.com, that seems to be where the real users are.

I have had Alltel DSL 1.5 meg installed last week with one master filter on the outside of the house on a conventional land line. The service so far has been flawless---no dumps, no freezes, no spam, no slow online attempts, no slow speed attempts, no aborts on attempts, no aborts during processes, and it is fast. For 5 more bucks per month I can get 3 meg and for 15 more bucks per month I can get 6 meg speed. Well anyway right now I am real happy with it. I have 9 phones, 2 security systems, 1 answer machine. If you want to send a fax message then of course the phone line is occupied but the DSL still will work OK.
The outside filter feeds the other two wires that are not used for phones and is split off to feed the DSL modem.
JJK

Oh crap, they are going to switch the domain names to roadrunner.com. It will take a while it says but that answers another question about the take over. Comcast people also will have domain name changes.

Since your email address is going to change anyway, you should make the change to a superior web based system like Google's Gmail. You can then access your mail from any location that has internet access(you can still use a POP3 client like Outlook Express if you like). It's free and they give you 2 GB of storage. I've been using it for about a year and a half and have been very satisfied. Now I can change my ISP whenever I like and never have to worry about changing my email address. Let me know if you would like me to email you an invite(currently the only way to sign up).

Well I've spouted off about this here before.
But
I'd bet big money I drop TWC within 6 months of conversion.
I've been very happy with Adelphia service, channel lineup, price, the 8310 DVR.
I have too many coworkers that tell me how screwed up TWC is.
Heck they cant even make the 8310 work properly on their network assuming they even let me use one.
Dave

I've been with TWC for a little over a year and have had no complaints(was a Voom customer previously). I wish they had a few more HD channels(like ESPN2 and Cinemax) but other than that they have been very solid. I have the 8300 HD DVR and it has worked very well for me. I also have Roadrunner and it also has been flawless. Maybe I've just been lucky. I don't see the small dish companies as a viable alternative until they completely convert to MPEG4 and improve their PQ and number of HD channels. I also have no desire to buy my own HD DVR for hundreds of dollars.

I've also been pricing their packages and it looks like its going to be about 20 percent higher in price.
Dave

I've also been pricing their packages and it looks like its going to be about 20 percent higher in price.
Dave

TWC ain't cheap - I'll give you that. What alternatives are you considering?

Ugh, I hate Adelphia I'm so glad to see them go I'll think I'll throw a party. :)

The first time a tech came out to my house to install the SA 8300 he couldn't figure it out. He left, I went on the internet and set it up. He did come back the next day with the same printed instructions I found on SA's web site, but come on.

CSR's at Adelphia are the most clueless mass of idiots. Most people in this forum have a better idea of how their system works then they do.

Over the past two years I've been with them I've had to go to their office more then once to show them they have a problem because no one at customer service believed me.

Now I will give you that over the past 6 months things have been pretty good. But then again they haven't made any updates to the SA 8300 in a while, the one time they did things got so botched up they pulled it and went back to the other version.

I welcome TW with open arms.

Bassguitarman, what is the 8310, is it a converter box or DVR? If it's a DVR then you won't use it with the switchover, everything I've read in concern with this type of change indicates that the 8300 will still be the DVR with SARA software.

I lost 19-2 . I knownothing was on it.
What is going to be on it and when
I was getting somethig on 19-2, the SD version of WOIO. It was a true SD feed, not just a downrezzed version of the HD feed. Besides the obvious 4X3 aspect ratio I can tell by the location and size of the CBS eye bug (a downrezzed version would have the bug almost totally off the screen). This reminded me of what WKYC used to do a couple of years ago.

A few weeks ago i posted a problem with WKYC 3 on DTV LIL hd. The problem was the picture seemed to be in slow motion well now on DTV channel 96 hd which is STO all the games seem to be in slow motion on there too. I spoke with a DTV CSR today who said they have no other complaints logged but will send this problem to the engineers if you have this problem please call DTV and report it the CSR said if they get a few complaints they will take care of the problem asap. I know this isnt just my problem because i have two friends who are having the same problem.

Ugh, I hate Adelphia I'm so glad to see them go I'll think I'll throw a party. :)

The first time a tech came out to my house to install the SA 8300 he couldn't figure it out. He left, I went on the internet and set it up. He did come back the next day with the same printed instructions I found on SA's web site, but come on.

CSR's at Adelphia are the most clueless mass of idiots. Most people in this forum have a better idea of how their system works then they do.

Over the past two years I've been with them I've had to go to their office more then once to show them they have a problem because no one at customer service believed me.

Now I will give you that over the past 6 months things have been pretty good. But then again they haven't made any updates to the SA 8300 in a while, the one time they did things got so botched up they pulled it and went back to the other version.

Don't expect these things to change much. Clueless CSRs & Install techs are common across the board no matter your TV service provider. The thing I have been happiest about with TWC is the fact that I can exchange my own equipment at an office. I don't have to set aside 4 hours of time in my day waiting for the tech to arrive.

No provider does it right. The question is, what crap are you willing to accept from them before switching services?

Don't expect these things to change much. Clueless CSRs & Install techs are common across the board no matter your TV service provider. The thing I have been happiest about with TWC is the fact that I can exchange my own equipment at an office. I don't have to set aside 4 hours of time in my day waiting for the tech to arrive.

No provider does it right. The question is, what crap are you willing to accept from them before switching services?

We can exchange our equipment with Adelphia now. I agree that most CSR's are bad but in my experience over the past 20 years in dealing with these companies no ones is as bad as Adelphia.

I don't know about now but in the years I had Direct TV I was very pleased with them. Prior to D* it was Prime Star and I liked that very much as well.

Anyone have a definitive list or expectation of the actual HD programming which will be available with TW? Is it true we former Adelphians will lose Cinemax? What, if anything, will be added or improved as far as HD programs?

There is no way to know anything yet. TWC is supposedly working to get things lined up with channels that are not common to both Adelphia and Time Warner. They have already indicated that some "minor" programming may be lost.

Frankly I think the biggest issue may be ESPN2HD, given that Time Warner stilll doesn't offer it elsewhere. Of course, Adelphia doesn't offer TNTHD, etc.

There is no way to know anything yet. TWC is supposedly working to get things lined up with channels that are not common to both Adelphia and Time Warner. They have already indicated that some "minor" programming may be lost.

Frankly I think the biggest issue may be ESPN2HD, given that Time Warner stilll doesn't offer it elsewhere. Of course, Adelphia doesn't offer TNTHD, etc.

I don't see them taking ESPN2HD away for two reasons. The first is as Inundated pointed out, there is an agreement in place. This is a buy out and agreements that exist simply can't go away.

I'm not an attorney but that seems like common sense to me.

Also I don't think they can take it away because every HD customer now expects it as part of it's package. They are not stupid, they know everyone will complain if they did. I'm willing to bet the the vast majority of people who subscribe to their HD are male. Men watch sports (the majority of us).

And as you pointed out minor programming so I imagine maybe liftetime movies or some crap like that. :)

They ain't touching our sports. :D

Haven't posted in months probably cause no new channels were coming, however with the TW change in expected Tuesday , I got wind of the programming adds and deletes. I don't know of the exact dates, but here's the skinny.

The interactive TV guide will change to the TW format. Go to TW's site to see it.

For NE Ohio here are the deletes: ESPN U., NFL Network, Weatherscan, PCNC,(?)
DMX Spanish Music Audio

Adds: CSPAN3, WUAB HD, THE TUBE, NBA TV, TNT HD.

WILL POST AS NEW INFO IS RELAYED..

Haven't posted in months probably cause no new channels were coming, however with the TW change in expected Tuesday , I got wind of the programming adds and deletes. I don't know of the exact dates, but here's the skinny.

The interactive TV guide will change to the TW format. Go to TW's site to see it.

For NE Ohio here are the deletes: ESPN U., NFL Network, Weatherscan, PCNC,(?)
DMX Spanish Music Audio

Adds: CSPAN3, WUAB HD, THE TUBE, NBA TV, TNT HD.

WILL POST AS NEW INFO IS RELAYED..

Thanks handsworth, always nice to hear from you. For those of you who may not have been around here that long handsworth's info is always on the money. Sometimes he's a day or so off on timing but you can count on it if he says it's going to happen, it happens.

Oh crap, they are going to switch the domain names to roadrunner.com. It will take a while it says

Where did you find this information about the domain name change for adelphia.net?

Where did you find this information about the domain name change for adelphia.net?

Originally posted by Inundated it was in an article about the take over in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. I tried to copy the URL but it didn't take me there.


If you read up a few posts Inundated says it's going to change but not to roadrunner.com. It should be username@neo.rr.com

Since your email address is going to change anyway, you should make the change to a superior web based system like Google's Gmail. You can then access your mail from any location that has internet access(you can still use a POP3 client like Outlook Express if you like). It's free and they give you 2 GB of storage. I've been using it for about a year and a half and have been very satisfied. Now I can change my ISP whenever I like and never have to worry about changing my email address. Let me know if you would like me to email you an invite(currently the only way to sign up).

That's the plan I've had an account for about a year now. I just never use it but I will now.

O.T. Interconnect Cables
I'll post this here, because the stores are only in N.E. Ohio.
Marc's Drug Stores have some very nice RCA brand interconnect cables.
6 foot Component Video & Stereo Audio Cable #PD6DCSA for $5.99.
3 foot Composite Video & Stereo Audio Cable #PD3SAV for $3.99.
They also have other lenghts and "S" Video cables.

I appreciate the info. I need to get me some (just got a new TV). I bought a bunch of cables from monoprice that is highly touted here but I need something for now.

Without reading a gazillion posts in this thread, can someone recommend indoor/outdoor antenna's for OTA reception for the main Cleveland stations?

Unfortunately they did touch sports. ESPNU isn't such a big deal, but losing the NFL Network just before pre-season (which includes some HD games) is not good, especially since they'll be showing real games later this season (in HD).


I don't see them taking ESPN2HD away for two reasons. The first is as Inundated pointed out, there is an agreement in place. This is a buy out and agreements that exist simply can't go away.

I'm not an attorney but that seems like common sense to me.

Also I don't think they can take it away because every HD customer now expects it as part of it's package. They are not stupid, they know everyone will complain if they did. I'm willing to bet the the vast majority of people who subscribe to their HD are male. Men watch sports (the majority of us).

And as you pointed out minor programming so I imagine maybe liftetime movies or some crap like that. :)

They ain't touching our sports. :D

Unfortunately they did touch sports. ESPNU isn't such a big deal, but losing the NFL Network just before pre-season (which includes some HD games) is not good, especially since they'll be showing real games later this season (in HD).

Heh heh, I knew someone would call me on that. As I'm sure your aware I am not a fan of The NFL network so no big deal to me. How many HD games are we going to miss, more the 4?

I'm quite pleased so far. :)

Other than the ESPN stations, NFL Network is really one of the HD Tier stations I wanted. :mad:


Games to be lost... :(

Thursday, Nov. 23 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Broncos vs. Chiefs

Thursday, Nov. 30 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Ravens vs. Bengals

Thursday, Dec. 7 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Browns vs. Steelers

Thursday, Dec. 14 / 8:00 p.m. ET
49ers vs. Seahawks

Saturday, Dec. 16 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Cowboys vs. Falcons

Thursday, Dec. 21 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Vikings vs. Packers

Saturday, Dec. 23 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Chiefs vs. Raiders

Saturday, Dec. 30 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Giants vs. Redskins

And I would assume since I live in an "Alltel" area I would not be able to get it at all. I don't even have land line service anymore they were so bad I went with Vonage.

You're likely correct...as far as I know both AT&T/SBC and Verizon are rolling out the services in their existing telephone footprint. I could be wrong. I'd also expect it to be some time before the Verizon landline folks in Northeast Ohio (i.e. Medina, etc.) see it, since that is the former GTE rural cluster and is not really attached to Cleveland or Akron, both SBC territory.

Or AT&T. Or whatever the heck they call themselves now...


Haven't posted in months probably cause no new channels were coming, however with the TW change in expected Tuesday , I got wind of the programming adds and deletes. I don't know of the exact dates, but here's the skinny.


Is ANY of this happening as soon as Tuesday, or within days/weeks? I know you said you don't have exact dates, but I'm curious if this is imminent or down the road. And do you know if the actual lineups are going to change anytime soon?

PCNC is a Pittsburgh-based cable news channel run by WPXI/11. Us Cleveland/Akron folks don't get it, obviously.

I would be surprised if TWC didn't come up with a system-wide agreement with NFL Network at some point in the near future. With the actual in-season games showing up later in the NFL season, it'll probably be pushed up to a greater priority.

If you read up a few posts Inundated says it's going to change but not to roadrunner.com. It should be username@neo.rr.com

That is correct. My sister is (firstinitiallast name)@neo.rr.com and has been since she signed up for RR.

A Google search for "@neo.rr.com" comes up with a bazillion other TWC users. :D

I actually hub everything through Gmail now, and have a long-standing non-ISP address forwarding there. I have an adelphia.net address, but hardly ever use it.

Adds: CSPAN3, WUAB HD, THE TUBE, NBA TV, TNT HD


No Boomerang?

They're showing 52 pre-season games, of which 15 or so will be in HD. Most if not all of the HD games won't be live though (most of the games they are showing are on tape delay).


Other than the ESPN stations, NFL Network is really one of the HD Tier stations I wanted. :mad:


Games to be lost... :(

Thursday, Nov. 23 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Broncos vs. Chiefs

Thursday, Nov. 30 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Ravens vs. Bengals

Thursday, Dec. 7 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Browns vs. Steelers

Thursday, Dec. 14 / 8:00 p.m. ET
49ers vs. Seahawks

Saturday, Dec. 16 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Cowboys vs. Falcons

Thursday, Dec. 21 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Vikings vs. Packers

Saturday, Dec. 23 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Chiefs vs. Raiders

Saturday, Dec. 30 / 8:00 p.m. ET
Giants vs. Redskins

I meant the 8300. Hookbill if you think Adelphia tech's are bad wait till you start dealing with TWC. I work in the middle of their coverage area and the horror stories are legendary. And if its possbile RR is even worse. Many of my coworkers have gone to dsl since RR is so bad.

I meant the 8300. Hookbill if you think Adelphia tech's are bad wait till you start dealing with TWC. I work in the middle of their coverage area and the horror stories are legendary. And if its possbile RR is even worse. Many of my coworkers have gone to dsl since RR is so bad.

Heh Heh.....My cable company is worst then your cable company. :p

Only time will tell I suppose. Since I have dealt with Adelphia I'm of the opinion that it can only get better.

Since I don't have a phone line it will be rr no matter what. I will say that if there is one thing that is good about Adelphia it is their internet service. Little or no problems. Now when I compare that to what I experienced with Cincinnati Bell and their DSL they are far superior then DSL.

I was originally going to go with Altell DSL when I first moved here 2 years ago but they couldn't get a modem out to me for weeks. With Adelphia they had a modem to me in like two days.

We can exchange our equipment with Adelphia now. I agree that most CSR's are bad but in my experience over the past 20 years in dealing with these companies no ones is as bad as Adelphia.

I don't know about now but in the years I had Direct TV I was very pleased with them. Prior to D* it was Prime Star and I liked that very much as well.

When I was in Rocky River I was incredibly impressed with the professional attitude, flawless installation, and near 100% uptime of my TV and HSI with Cox. Furthermore, I was able to purchase and install my own Scientific Atlanta 3270HD STB (anyone interested in buying in, let me know! I think you need to be on Cox, though).

I long for those days every time my Adelphia cablemodem's Cable LED starts blinking (which is a couple times per day).

Just my two cents..

I'm not panicking just yet, since this report comes out of Raleigh, but apparently TWC has denied some customers CableCARDs for use in their Tivos --

"Time Warner Cable of Raleigh does not provide support for or allow TiVo devices on our cable network...CableCARDS will only be installed on cable-ready, CableCARD-slot-available television sets."

This would be a terrible let down for me.. I've really REALLY been looking forward to snatching up a Series 3 Tivo once they're released to replace the anemic SARA SA8300HD DVR I've been leasing (my hopes of being upgraded to Passport on the 8300 with the TWC acquisition were dashed long ago).

Here's the link to the full article (http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/26/time-warner-wont-provide-cablecards-for-series-3-tivos/)

I'm not panicking just yet, since this report comes out of Raleigh, but apparently TWC has denied some customers CableCARDs for use in their Tivos --

"Time Warner Cable of Raleigh does not provide support for or allow TiVo devices on our cable network...CableCARDS will only be installed on cable-ready, CableCARD-slot-available television sets."

This would be a terrible let down for me.. I've really REALLY been looking forward to snatching up a Series 3 Tivo once they're released to replace the anemic SARA SA8300HD DVR I've been leasing (my hopes of being upgraded to Passport on the 8300 with the TWC acquisition were dashed long ago).

Here's the link to the full article (http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/26/time-warner-wont-provide-cablecards-for-series-3-tivos/)

To the best of my knowledge they HAVE to provide the cards, if they don't arn't they violating the Cable Communications Act?

Maybe some blow hard at TW just ran his mouth off without knowing the facts.

Honestly, don't read too much into that TWC article. Since the S3 hasn't even been released to the public yet I wouldn't worry about this.

So, those of you in TWC-NEO land using HDMI->HDMI on the SA8300HD, have you been experiencing HDCP problems recently? My parents complained that they have been rebooting the box to resolve this issue the past few nights. Anybody have any suggestions on how to resolve this issue beyond rebooting or exchanging the box?

I have my cable and internet service through Adelphia (N.E. Ohio), and yesterday I got a form letter from TWC about the takeover, effective August 1. The letter refers to a website that answers questions about the changeover: http://www.twcusoon.com/. After entering your zip code, you get to a page with a link to FAQ's. The FAQ page for Cleveland indicates that the internet service will eventually change to Road Runner, but that email addresses will stay the same "at this time." Rates will not change as a result of the transition, but will be periodically "reviewed" as they are now. Concerning cable channel lineup: "You will continue to receive most of the channels you receive today. Time Warner Cable will notify you in advance of any changes to your channel line-up."

In summary, nothing's changing today, but anything may change in the future whenever they feel like it<g>.

They have an ad in the Plain Dealer this morning, mentioning the website. It also indicates the channel changes. (Page A10)

Also, USA Today has TWO articles about how the NFL Network will be pushing hard to sign with Time Warner, especially given their games starting in November.



I have my cable and internet service through Adelphia (N.E. Ohio), and yesterday I got a form letter from TWC about the takeover, effective August 1. The letter refers to a website that answers questions about the changeover: http://www.twcusoon.com/. After entering your zip code, you get to a page with a link to FAQ's. The FAQ page for Cleveland indicates that the internet service will eventually change to Road Runner, but that email addresses will stay the same "at this time." Rates will not change as a result of the transition, but will be periodically "reviewed" as they are now. Concerning cable channel lineup: "You will continue to receive most of the channels you receive today. Time Warner Cable will notify you in advance of any changes to your channel line-up."

In summary, nothing's changing today, but anything may change in the future whenever they feel like it<g>.

I caught the tail end on "Ask Adelphia" on channel 15 this morning. It will show again at 7:30 this evening.

The spokesperson said the SAME techs will be coming to your door. She also said the SAME local CSR'S will be taking your calls.

I only caught about two minutes so I didn't hear anything else. I'll try and watch tonight to see if anything else is mentioned. She did also mention that the transition shouldn't be any different from what it was when Adelphia took over, the bills will change, trucks will change. She said TW will do more aggresive door to door and phone marketing.

Allrighty, it's time for WVIZ to get their ass in gear. Tired of watching 16:9 crapovision letterboxed programming on the SD channel. I'm a big supporter of public television but they're not getting another dime from me until WVIZ goes full power with the HD.

Allrighty, it's time for WVIZ to get their ass in gear. Tired of watching 16:9 crapovision letterboxed programming on the SD channel. I'm a big supporter of public television but they're not getting another dime from me until WVIZ goes full power with the HD.
Since WVIZ does not own the tower where their full-power antenna resides, they are at the mercy of that tower's owner (I belileve it's CBS, INC/WNCX).

A similar issue hapened to WKBN in Youngstown. They eventually got that issue resolved. Today WKBN-DT has the best coverage area of any "DT" in NE Ohio! I'm not saying WVIZ will fare as well, but good things come to those that wait. ;)

BTW: WVIZ has chosen not to run their "regular" channel in digital. The schedule for WVIZ HD it totally different, and the subchannels are only "The Ohio Channel" (or as I like to call it CSPAN of Columbus) and the "CRRS" audio-only feed (The Society of the Blind's service where they read the PD and other publications). Perhaps this is due to the temproary transmitter situation. At least WEAO runs their main channel on an SD subchannel. I can record on my DVR only from a digital source (HD or SD), so anythime there is something on PBS I want to record, I hope and pray WEAO carrys that program.

Allrighty, it's time for WVIZ to get their ass in gear. Tired of watching 16:9 crapovision letterboxed programming on the SD channel. I'm a big supporter of public television but they're not getting another dime from me until WVIZ goes full power with the HD.

I share your frustration. NE Ohio PBS stations are cursed with digital broadcast issues. I have been waiting since I bought my HD TV back in November to see some fantastic HD PBS programming like Nature, Nova, etc. WVIZ, of course, has their tower issue, which is beyond their control. WEAO has equipment and funding issues. I am still not sure whose HD signal I will see first. WVIZ was hoping to have their tower issue resolved sometime this summer. I have not heard any updates on that. WEAO was hoping to have their equipment and funding resolved months ago. We are still waiting on that. Maybe Don Freeman has an update for us?

I share your frustration. NE Ohio PBS stations are cursed with digital broadcast issues. I have been waiting since I bought my HD TV back in November to see some fantastic HD PBS programming like Nature, Nova, etc. WVIZ, of course, has their tower issue, which is beyond their control. WEAO has equipment and funding issues. I am still not sure whose HD signal I will see first. WVIZ was hoping to have their tower issue resolved sometime this summer. I have not heard any updates on that. WEAO was hoping to have their equipment and funding resolved months ago. We are still waiting on that. Maybe Don Freeman has an update for us?

TheBlackKnight, have you tried to receive WOUC-DT, PBS from Cambridge OH? They have a very strong signal here in Canton, so you should also get them there in North Canton. Point your antenna S-SW. They have PBS-HD on 35-1 and WOUB/WOUC (ch 44) programming on 35-2. Subchannels 35-3, 4, 5 show up but there's no programmming on them.

I share your frustration. NE Ohio PBS stations are cursed with digital broadcast issues. I have been waiting since I bought my HD TV back in November to see some fantastic HD PBS programming like Nature, Nova, etc. WVIZ, of course, has their tower issue, which is beyond their control. WEAO has equipment and funding issues. I am still not sure whose HD signal I will see first. WVIZ was hoping to have their tower issue resolved sometime this summer. I have not heard any updates on that. WEAO was hoping to have their equipment and funding resolved months ago. We are still waiting on that. Maybe Don Freeman has an update for us?
While there is certainly excellent HD programming on PBS-HD, much of it is still widescreen SD, even some Nova programs.

I got a letter from Time Warner informing me that they will be replacing Adelphia as my cable provider. :eek:

One line cracked me up; They looked forward to bringing NEW features such as HDTV, Digital Video Recording and High Speed Internet Service. How exciting. :rolleyes:

Does anybody read these things before they mail them?

They also give the www.twcusoon.com address that jtscherne gave us already.

Does TWC downrez HD material? I saw the "STOP HD LITE" website and they are listed there. Frightening...

It's a generic letter that they're using nationwide. Believe it or not, Adelphia didn't offer HD and DVRs everywhere..

I got a letter from Time Warner informing me that they will be replacing Adelphia as my cable provider. :eek:

One line cracked me up; They looked forward to bringing NEW features such as HDTV, Digital Video Recording and High Speed Internet Service. How exciting. :rolleyes:

Does anybody read these things before they mail them?

They also give the www.twcusoon.com address that jtscherne gave us already.

Tomorrow night's ESPN game features Cleveland at Boston. It doesn't look like it will blacked out here, so you'll be able to watch the HD broadcast if you have ESPN HD.

Also, Tuesday's game is on WKYC so it will be in HD too...

(That's assuming anyone is watching the Indians anymore!!!)

I heard an ad on WTAM this afternoon urging people to call an 800 number and "demand" that TWC carry the NFL Network. It sounded like a political ad full of doom and gloom that you're going to miss a bunch of Browns coverage if they don't put the channel back...

up at the tribe game today (umm along with all the sweaty people) were flyers saying twc is going to ruin your football season, and to call this number, I tried to grab one on the way out but forgot.

I'm new to this website, but I've found some interesting information about local digital broadcasts in my area (I live in north Akron). I've been looking at the FCC's database, and I've noticed that their estimation of the coverage areas of local digital broadcasts seems to be a stretch. I have two digital receivers that pick up OTA broadcasts. One is an HDV420, and the other is built-in to my Phillips 26" TV. With those, I can receive digital broadcasts from channels 3, 5, 8, 17, 19 (although crappy signal), 43, 49, 61, and 67 (if I point my directional silver sensor in the right direction). Are there receivers that perform considerably better than others?? I've been trying for almost a year to receive Youngstown DTs 20, WKBN's new 41, and WNEO 46 in Salem, but I haven't gotten even a budge on the signal indicator. I've tried pointing the silver sensor directly toward Youngstown in different locations, but I have the disadvantage of having a small hill blocking my view toward Youngstown. I can still receive analog 21 and 27, although it's a bit snowy.

Is there anyone who lives near my location in north Akron who has had better luck, or are there any suggestions for me?? Does anyone know anything about when WBNX, WVIZ, or WVPX will be on digitally??

I heard an ad on WTAM this afternoon urging people to call an 800 number and "demand" that TWC carry the NFL Network. It sounded like a political ad full of doom and gloom that you're going to miss a bunch of Browns coverage if they don't put the channel back...


Can we call the same number in support of keeping NFL Network off TWC? :)

How about retaining ESPN2HD? :D

NFL Network was saying today that the Turkey Day game is exclusive to the NFL Network.... So I guess I won't be watching any football that day.. :( They should have gotten rid of a channel like Oxygen instead.

Is there anyone who lives near my location in north Akron who has had better luck, or are there any suggestions for me?? Does anyone know anything about when WBNX, WVIZ, or WVPX will be on digitally??

Welcome, Andrew!

First things first...your problem may not be your receiver, but your antenna.

The Silver Sensor is a fine, non-amplified indoor antenna. It's just not really what you should be using to try to snare the Youngstown stations.

I live not far from you, probably a little further northwest, and I can get WKBN-DT reasonably well with an indoor antenna aimed just at the right clearing through nearby tall trees. But...it's an amplified antenna, and the placement is rather touchy. (I tried getting WKBN-DT with my own Silver Sensor, and nada.)

I can't get an ounce of signal with any indoor antenna out of WFMJ-DT, or WNEO-DT. Like you, I have little problem with the Cleveland market DTs.

The general rule with antennas is "outside and as high as possible". If you want *reliable* reception of the Youngstown DT stations over here, you'll probably have to get an outdoor antenna. There's an entire thread up in this section about antennas...you will learn a lot by reading it.

As far as the stragglers locally:

* WBNX is reportedly under construction, hoping for a September debut for WBNX-DT. Their website has more in the "Trends" section, though it does need to be updated for the fact that they have actually received their FCC construction permit.

* WVIZ-DT is reportedly still working on problems with its transmitter site, which is shared with (and owned by) CBS Radio and its WNCX/98.5. We haven't had an update on that in a long while. They continue to operate a low-powered STA off of their former studio building on Brookpark Road, but that signal is but a rumor to much of the Akron area.

* WVPX-DT has not had its construction permit approved yet by the FCC. It has had similar problems as WBNX had - coordination with Canadian authorities over signal protection of a station up there. Unlike WBNX-DT, WVPX-DT hasn't gotten out of the "application" stage yet.

There you go...hope this helps!

NFL Network was saying today that the Turkey Day game is exclusive to the NFL Network.... So I guess I won't be watching any football that day.. :( They should have gotten rid of a channel like Oxygen instead.

I don't believe they have the ONLY Thanksgiving game...there are traditionally two of them, and I think the NFL Network now has a new, third game.

I'm not sure which one they have, though.

Is there anyone who lives near my location in north Akron who has had better luck, or are there any suggestions for me?? Does anyone know anything about when WBNX, WVIZ, or WVPX will be on digitally??

Welcome!

Innundated covered the situation pretty well. Just a note about WNEO-DT: they have a highly directional, fairly weak signal. If you look at the coverage map in the FCC database, they throw most of their signal from their transmitter near Salem to the northeast towards Y-town. No matter, anyway. They are the second half of the WEAO/WNEO (PBS45/49) public braodcasting pair. Everything that is broadcast on WNEO is simulcast on WEAO, and WEAO-DT should be an easy catch for you from North Akron. I believe their transmitter is in the same area as WVPX.

The NFL added an evening game on Thanksgiving. If you look some messages back, someone posted the entire NFL Network schedule, which doesn't start until Thanksgiving. The Browns will play Pittsburgh as part of the package, but it will be shown locally by Channel 8 (I think!). Of course, it won't be in HD on WJW...


I don't believe they have the ONLY Thanksgiving game...there are traditionally two of them, and I think the NFL Network now has a new, third game.

I'm not sure which one they have, though.

Does TWC downrez HD material? I saw the "STOP HD LITE" website and they are listed there. Frightening...

Simple answer, no. More complicated answer, as far as Stop HD Lite says TWC lowers the bitrate of some of the stations in a limited number of cities. I'm pretty sure this isn't happening currently in NEO, Dayton, or Cinci.

NFL Network was saying today that the Turkey Day game is exclusive to the NFL Network.... So I guess I won't be watching any football that day.. :( They should have gotten rid of a channel like Oxygen instead.
:D :D :D

Just to make things clear: here is the Thanksgiving schedule

Miami at Detroit 12:30 p.m. - CBS
Tampa Bay at Dallas 4:15 p.m. - Fox
Denver at Kansas City 8:00 p.m. - NFL Network

Time Warner will be holding a press conference tomorrow at the Jacobs Field Terrace Club, at which they are expected to reveal more information about their plans for Northeast Ohio.

After today's transfer, NE Ohio will become the third-largest market for the company. There's an article about the transfer in today's Crain's Cleveland Business (which is not available to non-subscribers on their web site).

Hey Inundated, Thanks for the advice. I used to be able to receive WFMJ-DT with my silver sensor when I lived in Akron just west of the Chapel Hill Mall, but now I live at the edge of the Merriman Valley (just a bit down Portage Trail). Now this terrain is what I believe is the primary cause for the weakened Youngstown signals. My problem is that I can't have an outdoor antenna because of my apartment, but I'll be moving to where I will have some decent attic space to work with.

I wanted to ask what anyone would recommend for outdoor antennas (for an attic). I have a powerful Radio Shack amplifier that I have yet to experiment with.

I've just moved back to the area from Arizona and am wondering about the state of 5C encryption on TWC's network as well as the STBs in use and their firewire status. I previously was on the Cox/Phoenix network recording to my mythtv box via an SA3250 with no serious problems.

Is anybody recording the non-premium digital channels and HDTV tier via 1394 on TWC? That's the one killer feature that made me go the cable route in Phoenix. I'm hoping it works as nice in this area. I'd hate to have to give up timeshifting ESPNHD on my myth box. :o

They're putting in some culverts on my street and wouldn't you know it they hit a cable. I called it in and said it probably was reported already. The CSR checked and said no it wasn't and "someone will be out there today" as they did have an opening. :confused: I explained that this was a major underground cable and I may not be home. She said that's fine and asked me who cut the cable. I said I assumed Township workers.

10 minutes later I was taking my cat to the vet and there was an Adelphia truck out there working on it. By the time I got home it was fixed.

The left hand still doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

Hey Inundated, Thanks for the advice. I used to be able to receive WFMJ-DT with my silver sensor when I lived in Akron just west of the Chapel Hill Mall, but now I live at the edge of the Merriman Valley (just a bit down Portage Trail). Now this terrain is what I believe is the primary cause for the weakened Youngstown signals. My problem is that I can't have an outdoor antenna because of my apartment, but I'll be moving to where I will have some decent attic space to work with.

I wanted to ask what anyone would recommend for outdoor antennas (for an attic). I have a powerful Radio Shack amplifier that I have yet to experiment with.

Hey andrew do you live in the appartments behind where wildlife gardens, and Bobs video galore was?

Hey andrew do you live in the appartments behind where wildlife gardens, and Bobs video galore was?

Are you talking about where I used to live behind the Chapel Hill Plaza?? That was Jean Ave. where I used to live.

I live in the Timber Top apartments now. They're right off Portage trail before you go down in the valley. I haven't heard of any wildlife gardens.

By the way, I wanted to say that I tried my silver sensor with an amplifier, and I was able to get the signal indicator the budge just a bit for WKBN-DT 41. I might have enough to work with here if I go for an outdoor antenna. I have to say that I was quite surprised to get anything since I thought the terrain would make it impossible.

I live in the Timber Top apartments now. They're right off Portage trail before you go down in the valley. I haven't heard of any wildlife gardens.

By the way, I wanted to say that I tried my silver sensor with an amplifier, and I was able to get the signal indicator the budge just a bit for WKBN-DT 41. I might have enough to work with here.

oh okay right by papa joes, I probably haves asked you that question before, I just wondered as thats where I grew up, down in the heart of the valley (1344 N.Portage Path). good luck andrew as I always enjoyed that channel as a backup for when woio would be out for me!

oh okay right by papa joes, I probably haves asked you that question before, I just wondered as thats where I grew up, down in the heart of the valley (1344 N.Portage Path). good luck andrew as I always enjoyed that channel as a backup for when woio would be out for me!

Yes, I live on Snowfall Spur. It's not in the valley, but it's not at the top of the hill either. Where are you picking up this WKBN-DT at??

Mogadore, with this antenna
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103085&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032205&allCount=15&fbn=Price%2F%2450.00+-+%2499.99&fbc=1&fr=StorePrice%2FRSK%2F00005000%2F00009999&parentPage=family

its laying in my attic, and I get a pretty decent signal from WKBN with a amp. took me awhile to get everything figured out with some questions posted on here, but I am good to go.

Hey Inundated, Thanks for the advice. I used to be able to receive WFMJ-DT with my silver sensor when I lived in Akron just west of the Chapel Hill Mall, but now I live at the edge of the Merriman Valley (just a bit down Portage Trail). Now this terrain is what I believe is the primary cause for the weakened Youngstown signals. My problem is that I can't have an outdoor antenna because of my apartment, but I'll be moving to where I will have some decent attic space to work with.Good luck with that. I'm down at the bottom of the valley and Youngstown is utterly out of reach for me, though I get all of Cleveland, except WVIZ rather reliably with my HDTVI, though it was a rough time of it to get WKYC and WOIO at the same time.

Oddly, my receiver has been getting just a slight edge of WEAO, which I found odd, seeing it is at a much different angle than my antenna is pointing.

If anyone was wondering, this is what I was told about why PBS 45/49 doesn't have their HD channel now.

"Unfortunately, we need additional equipment to be able to broadcast in high def and right now our budget won't stretch that far. And we cannot just broadcast what PBS feeds, without our own breaks, without paying a lot of money in licensing fees.

I'm sorry that I still don't have good news for you. We are planning on broadcasting in High Definition again, but we just aren't sure when we will be able to afford to.

Thanks again for your patience.

Pat Weed"

Andrew, hi, neighbor! :D

I'm not far from you, but on the other side of the hill in the Falls. Thus, I don't have that hill as an obstruction between me and Youngstown...but I still have to position the amplified antenna properly and the tuner barely hangs onto a signal re: WKBN-DT.

Andrew, hi, neighbor! :D

I'm not far from you, but on the other side of the hill in the Falls. Thus, I don't have that hill as an obstruction between me and Youngstown...but I still have to position the amplified antenna properly and the tuner barely hangs onto a signal re: WKBN-DT.

What kind of antenna setup did you say that you were using?? I was thinking of using my amplifier with this antenna-

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088&cp=&pg=1&origkw=outdoor+antenna&kw=outdoor+antenna&parentPage=search

I'm not sure how much different this would be compared to the silver sensor, but I like the fact that it's for UHF only, and I wouldn't have to worry about the bulky VHF part. Does anyone know anything about this or bigger antennas that are identical?

What kind of antenna setup did you say that you were using?? I was thinking of using my amplifier with this antenna-

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088&cp=&pg=1&origkw=outdoor+antenna&kw=outdoor+antenna&parentPage=search

I'm not sure how much different this would be compared to the silver sensor, but I like the fact that it's for UHF only, and I wouldn't have to worry about the bulky VHF part. Does anyone know anything about this or bigger antennas that are identical?

thats the same end I have on my antenna I showed you earlier, and at one time I got youngstown in at 80, with clevelands coming in at 95 here in mogadore.

STO has a newly redesigned website, additional programming and a discussion forum now. Doesn't look like their new shows are in HD, though...

http://www.sportstimeohio.com/whatson.php

thats the same end I have on my antenna I showed you earlier, and at one time I got youngstown in at 80, with clevelands coming in at 95 here in mogadore.

When you use 80 and 95, what do those numbers represent as far as the signal??

those are on a scale of 100 on the HR10-250, thats the quality of signal, anything below I think 55 i have heard is too low for picture/audio.

STO has a newly redesigned website, additional programming and a discussion forum now. Doesn't look like their new shows are in HD, though...

http://www.sportstimeohio.com/whatson.php

At this point, only the Indians games will be in HD. The equipment/cameras/etc. are all there at Jacobs Field, and back at the WKYC HD control room. (That's what let them do that high school baseball game there once in HD.)

WUAB-DT, the 1080i version, is showing up on my Fusion HDTV card on Adelphia-becoming-TWC at this hour...this is a different feed than the 480i digital substitution channel 6, and is showing 1080i on my software...though it's obviously an upconvert outside of UPN programming.

TNTHD . the tube, WUAB HD , NBATV added on SA 8300 , message about NFL network wanting more money on that channel

TWC is updating Adelphia quickly.

HD Channels added so far:TNT,UPN

SD Channels: TUBE,CURRENT,CSPAN3

Also they have changed the guide logo to TWC and added a bunch of new VOD content

I emailed Les yesterday about the status of his Adelphia show. He stated that he won't know anything about its future for a few weeks.

Wow, just saw a commercial on WJW from Time Warner a two part statement. Adelphia is now Time Warner, Comcast is now Time Warner.

I see TNT HD on the list but when I tune it it's a gray screen showing 480i on my SA 8300. Can anyone actually view this? Also what the heck is The Tube doing in the 700's, it's not in HD?

I couldn't even find NFL and NBA was a dark screen.

Also what the heck is The Tube doing in the 700's, it's not in HD?

Are your local digital broadcast stations in the 700s? TWC groups all the sub channels with the main channel. So we have our Weather Plus channel listed right after our NBC affiliate, our Tube listed right after our Fox affiliate, etc.

Are your local digital broadcast stations in the 700s? TWC groups all the sub channels with the main channel. So we have our Weather Plus channel listed right after our NBC affiliate, our Tube listed right after our Fox affiliate, etc.

No, HD stations are in the 700's. It get's a bit tricky after that, digital broadcast for local stations are on the actual channel - but if you don't have a converter and your coming straight off the cable you actually view stations in the 800's.

The Tube is on 720, PBS is between FOX HD (708) and The Tube.

No, HD stations are in the 700's. It get's a bit tricky after that, digital broadcast for local stations are on the actual channel - but if you don't have a converter and your coming straight off the cable you actually view stations in the 800's.

The Tube is on 720, PBS is between FOX HD (708) and The Tube.

Sorry I wasn't clear. So the local digital broadcasts carried by TWC, the ones that will be alive after 2009 (not to be confused with digital simulcasts that replace their analog counterparts), are available in the 700s?

Is 709 occupied by PBS? Then it makes sense that they would put the tube somewhere in the 700s until they can move PBS to place it at 709 (if they decide to move PBS).

Sorry I wasn't clear. So the local digital broadcasts carried by TWC, the ones that will be alive after 2009 (not to be confused with digital simulcasts that replace their analog counterparts), are available in the 700s?

Is 709 occupied by PBS? Then it makes sense that they would put the tube somewhere in the 700s until they can move PBS to place it at 709 (if they decide to move PBS).

I think your correct. PBS is on 710, so I think 709 should be available now. I don't know why they stuck The Tube on 720. Our digital NBC is 703 but Weather Plus is on 183.

Anyone locally getting TNT HD yet? I still have a gray screen.

TNT-HD was on for like 10 minutes at 1 am this morning haven't seen since :(


I'm impressed they've done this so quickly

It's official boys we are twc in the inland empire in southern california as of 2:00 a.m tuesday morning
have added more hd channels and more vod content and for the next week more spanish channels and will re-arrange channel line up for the entire foot print. was a employee of adelphia but now twc employee which i'm lookinf forward driving new van within 30-60 from now!! :)

First she got it right, welcome to Time Warner Cable. I gave my info. I asked if TNT HD would be available today. She said, "Sir right now we have made no changes to our line up. You will be notified when we do and what changes are available." So being the sensative guy that I am I POLITELY pointed out to her that there were no programs both standard and HD that were available today. She said, "Yes sir, but we have still not made any changes yet." :confused:

I said, "So even though I see new things officially nothing has change." She said correct.

She then asked if there was anything else she could do. I said no thank you. She then said, "Thank you for calling Adelphia, have a good day." :D :D

Pete Townsend: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Now that the Detroit HD locals are on Dish, does anybody know when Cleveland goes HD. I can't get a reply from Dish.

I hope it doesn't go on 119k when it happens.

What kind of antenna setup did you say that you were using?? I was thinking of using my amplifier with this antenna-

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088&cp=&pg=1&origkw=outdoor+antenna&kw=outdoor+antenna&parentPage=search

I'm not sure how much different this would be compared to the silver sensor, but I like the fact that it's for UHF only, and I wouldn't have to worry about the bulky VHF part. Does anyone know anything about this or bigger antennas that are identical?
I just put up one of those Radio Shack Model: U-75R Catalog #: 15-2160 UHF-only antennas and now get WKBN-DT 24/7 from Southeast Parma without any amplification!. I previously used a Silver Sensor but only got WKBN-DT in the evening.

The other day I was watching digital TV stations from Pittsburgh: WPXI, WQED, and WPMY on top of all four Youngstown stations. (Ironicaly when all these stations came in, WKBN was weaker). I'm still tweaking the location of the antenna, I'm shooting through some distant trees. WYTV is the weakest Youngstown station, however WKBN-DT is the most desirable come football season.

I see TNT HD on the list but when I tune it it's a gray screen showing 480i on my SA 8300. Can anyone actually view this? Also what the heck is The Tube doing in the 700's, it's not in HD?

I couldn't even find NFL and NBA was a dark screen.
The Tube in HD :rotfl: Heck that network is barely SD :p
I did get to see a few minutes of the Tube from Pitsburg's WPMY, there appeared to be less pixillation, although I still think the source for the tube is a video server designed for streaming video over the internet (i.e. not broadcast quality). It sure looks like streaming video on WUAB-DT2.

The Tube in HD :rotfl: Heck that network is barely SD :p
I did get to see a few minutes of the Tube from Pitsburg's WPMY, there appeared to be less pixillation, although I still think the source for the tube is a video server designed for streaming video over the internet (i.e. not broadcast quality). It sure looks like streaming video on WUAB-DT2.

Oh, I know it's not in HD. I was asking what the heck it was doing in the HD tier.

Dish Network keeps this information close to the vest. For one thing they have to sign new contracts with local broadcasters before they can pass along the HD signals.


Now that the Detroit HD locals are on Dish, does anybody know when Cleveland goes HD. I can't get a reply from Dish.

I hope it doesn't go on 119k when it happens.

Dish Network keeps this information close to the vest. For one thing they have to sign new contracts with local broadcasters before they can pass along the HD signals.

also they say to contact your local engineers as they are the people they will be working with, BUT!!!! there are alot of reports saying the engineers were blindsided and didnt even know they were on DIsh.

WOIO lost it's court case. No word yet on who will get the Browns.

http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/pdsports/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_pdsports/archives/2006_08.html#167483

WOIO lost it's court case. No word yet on who will get the Browns.

http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/pdsports/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_pdsports/archives/2006_08.html#167483

From the link, above:
McMonagle said he considered the station's request and determined it wasn't warranted. He said his decision did not address the standing of the remainder of the lawsuit, in which Channel 19 seeks compensatory and punitive damages exceeding $25,000. $25,000 is a drop-in-the-bucket for the Browns to rid themselves of WOIO. Too bad they can't change divisions so that FOX gets the majority of the regular season Browns games :D

Does anyone who lives in the Medina area have armstrong because I am thinking of switching.

From the link, above:
$25,000 is a drop-in-the-bucket for the Browns to rid themselves of WOIO. Too bad they can't change divisions so that FOX gets the majority of the regular season Browns games :D

I don't know about that...it will taken nearly to the 9:00 mark in the first quarter of the first game for the dawg pound beer sales to make a $25,000 profit! :)

Anybody actually getting TNTHD yet or just black screen?

Anybody actually getting TNTHD yet or just black screen?

I still got the blank screen and I'm anxious to get this. The Closer is on tonight and I want to see what it looks like in HD. It's a repeat of yesterday so I already have it recorded but who wants to watch SD if HD is available.

When Adelphia was running the show the blank screen usually meant it was ready to start broadcasting. They already have screen guide info.

C'mon TW. Quit teasing! I've already got shows scheduled for recording. :)

i was flipping through the HD channels and i noticed on ch 798HDBON, TNTHD is on there

i was flipping through the HD channels and i noticed on ch 798HDBON, TNTHD is on there

Yeah, it sure as heck is! They may just be testing it there, I noticed the sound is out of synch with the picture.

Strange that it's on that channel though. I guess since the Tribe is on WKYC they felt that's a good place to test it, but why not just put it on the channel it's suppose to be on?

TNTHD is on in my neck of the woods now (ashtabula county)

TNTHD is on in my neck of the woods now (ashtabula county)

Yeah, I saw it on HD BON and the picture froze. Just checked it again and it's on here too, in Bainbridge.

Apparently they will add WNEO HD soon, its listed as CH715 on their new channel lineup page

http://www.timewarnercable.com/corporate/channellineups.html

BTW, the Browns also came to an agreement with WOIO to pay them off, so the hunt's on for a new pre-season station.

Of course, the pre-season games are unlikely to be in HD, no matter who gets them.

A few weeks ago i posted a problem with WKYC 3 on DTV LIL hd. The problem was the picture seemed to be in slow motion well now on DTV channel 96 hd which is STO all the games seem to be in slow motion on there too. I spoke with a DTV CSR today who said they have no other complaints logged but will send this problem to the engineers if you have this problem please call DTV and report it the CSR said if they get a few complaints they will take care of the problem asap. I know this isnt just my problem because i have two friends who are having the same problem.

I called yesterday and reported it as well. The CSR said he had no other reports. Go Figure.

BTW, the Browns also came to an agreement with WOIO to pay them off, so the hunt's on for a new pre-season station.

Of course, the pre-season games are unlikely to be in HD, no matter who gets them.

Inundated, you really have got to read some of the posts ahead of yours. :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8120208&&#post8120208

I'm an Actual Tech over here in the inland empire in southern california. most of the area that have bandwith available in ths system will have tnt hd and other hd.
I heard tnt hd on mid states in the u.s and puerto rico have issues with bandwith and trying to re-arrange or remove other channels to put those hd channels in place, in some cases systems that have 550 system need to upgrade to at least 750 or 860!!

Inundated, you really have got to read some of the posts ahead of yours. :)

Not really, I was updating the story to note that after the court ruling, WOIO and the Browns came to a settlement (financial) and officially terminated the contract. The court ruling against 19 did not do that, but did pave the way for that...

More TWC stuff - as someone noted above, the OnDemand listing has indeed been beefed up by TWC on the ex-Adelphia system, especially in the "Free" area. MANY more OnDemand offerings from various cable channels are now available. It's about 3 times what Adelphia had there.

Re: Adelphia/TWC and Les Levine's show - tonight, he thanked Time Warner for "letting us continue" the show. As far as I know, it is only continuing on the ex-Adelphia 15, and isn't going on any other TWC systems. Like the rest of the former Adelphia graphics, his show now sports the TWC logos...

Woke up this morning in Copley and surprise surprise no cable or internet.

Woke up this morning in Copley and surprise surprise no cable or internet.

Same here in Bainbridge. Well, I actually saw it crash I had the news on. Called TW and message was already there saying they knew there was a problem.

As or right now most everything is back up, a few HD channels are still not on. Oddly TNT HD is up, I'm showing all local HD, HBO HD ESPN and both INHD's are down. ESPN2 is up.

Incidently the quality of the analog channels is VERY POOR compared to Adelphia. My ota antenna is better on the locals and I notice poor quality on Speed, SCI-FI etc.

Incidently the quality of the analog channels is VERY POOR compared to Adelphia. My ota antenna is better on the locals and I notice poor quality on Speed, SCI-FI etc.

I don't think they have changed any of the equipment, and I believe the same people are still at the helm. However, I thought I noticed an IMPROVEMENT on the Indians sound quality in Dolby on channel 3. It seemed alot more surround like. I haven't seen any difference in analog quality.

I'm still not getting HD locals, ESPN, PBS, and both INHD's. Anybody else receiving these?

I live in Erie, PA (about 90 miles from Cleve). Do you think I would be able to receive the Cleve channels via Directv (both SD and HD) if I used an Cleve or Ashtabula address?

All HD channels in my area on TW are now back up. :)

Does anyone know what would happen if you hooked up an external QAM tuner to an analog television set through component video cables ? I know that, unlike an HDTV monitor, it would not pick up unscrambled hi-def programming, but what about unscrambled standard digital channels ? I know that many people send their digital satellite signals into an analog TV and still get a better (if not a true digital) picture. Would not the same concept apply here ?