Adelphia backed the update out because with Fox8HD there were problems when they went to commecials or non-hd content the SA8300 would stop recording and then sometimes restart. It ended up breaking a show up into segments.
I haven recorded Fox8HD since the update to see if the problem is still there.

This was traced to an MPEG continuity issue in a piece of equipment at Fox8. It has long since been corrected by them.

Are you sure that this particular update is what casued that? I'm not sure why but I thought that the issue with FOX and segmented recording was a problem for longer than the day and a half that Adelphia left the update in force. Maybe I'm not remembering it correctly and that problem was only for a day or two? Seems longer when I think back. I remember many saying they didn't really know why the update was pulled other than the 4X speed was too fast.

Actually, your correct. It really didn't have anything to do with the update it was more or less a case of Adelphia panicking and pushing everything back. The problem was really on FOX's end. Since then they haven't had the cajones to try it again.

Of course I really don't know what the have on the SA 8300 anymore since I drug mine via chain and rope tied back to my car to them after purchasing my TiVo S3. :)

Of course I really don't know what the have on the SA 8300 anymore
The 4x speed is back, so I assume that the rest of the upgrade is in place as well. It appears that the update took place yesterday (on my system anyway). I say that because my DVR was down when I got home at about 9PM last night. Every time I pushed the "List" button, it told me that my DVR function was being tested, please wait. After about 15 minutes of waiting, I got impatient and pulled the plug on the DVR (mine is an 8000, btw). It took a long time to reboot completely (another 15 minutes or so), and then everything worked correctly again - but with the new software in place. I didn't check the actual version number. And I don't really notice any significant new features either, just some font changes and a few small details. But if they fixed the problem where the playback craps out when the show ends, I'll be happy.

Actually, your correct. It really didn't have anything to do with the update it was more or less a case of Adelphia panicking and pushing everything back. The problem was really on FOX's end. Since then they haven't had the cajones to try it again.

Of course I really don't know what the have on the SA 8300 anymore since I drug mine via chain and rope tied back to my car to them after purchasing my TiVo S3. :)

Adelphia updated yesterday too! I wonder if this sudden activity has something to do with the change in daylight savings time.

Maybe I can finally hook it up to my receiver via HDMI. I also noticed that the Day + and Day - commands that my Harmony remote has now work in the program guide.

Every time I pushed the "List" button, it told me that my DVR function was being tested, please wait. After about 15 minutes of waiting, I got impatient and pulled the plug on the DVR (mine is an 8000, btw). It took a long time to reboot completely (another 15 minutes or so), and then everything worked correctly again - but with the new software in place.

My 8000 is doing the same thing since that update that went though on Wednesday morning. I can't access my recorded programs, nor can I record anything. Says the same Error message. I will do what you did, and pull the plug...and see if the reboot corrects the problem..like it did for you.

Adelphia updated yesterday too! I wonder if this sudden activity has something to do with the change in daylight savings time.

Maybe I can finally hook it up to my receiver via HDMI. I also noticed that the Day + and Day - commands that my Harmony remote has now work in the program guide.

The SA 8300 always worked with HDMI. It shouldn't take an update for that to work for you.

My 8000 is doing the same thing since that update that went though on Wednesday morning. I can't access my recorded programs, nor can I record anything. Says the same Error message. I will do what you did, and pull the plug...and see if the reboot corrects the problem..like it did for you.

I called Time Warner about a billing error this morning and the hold time was incredibly long. Since nothing ever gets done with one phone call with these people on the second call they had a message saying "blah blah, if your machine is not working, reboot by unplugging."

Apparently they didn't send out the signal to reboot like they were suppose to. :rolleyes:

The SA 8300 always worked with HDMI. It shouldn't take an update for that to work for you.


It has always worked when hooked directly to the TV. When hooked up through a receiver (which is considered a repeater), the HDCP handshaking fails. This was fixed about a year and a half ago by SA, but the firmware Adelphia was using was from before the fix.

It has always worked when hooked directly to the TV. When hooked up through a receiver (which is considered a repeater), the HDCP handshaking fails. This was fixed about a year and a half ago by SA, but the firmware Adelphia was using was from before the fix.

I spoke to someone yesterday who tried it through a repeater and it worked fine. Give it a go.

I can swear that wind really affects the DTV OTA signal. Today, I've been having a flakey and highly fluctuating signal, and it has been a gusty day. It seems like everytime it's windy, this happens.

The 4x speed is back, so I assume that the rest of the upgrade is in place as well. It appears that the update took place yesterday (on my system anyway). I say that because my DVR was down when I got home at about 9PM last night. Every time I pushed the "List" button, it told me that my DVR function was being tested, please wait. After about 15 minutes of waiting, I got impatient and pulled the plug on the DVR (mine is an 8000, btw). It took a long time to reboot completely (another 15 minutes or so), and then everything worked correctly again - but with the new software in place. I didn't check the actual version number. And I don't really notice any significant new features either, just some font changes and a few small details. But if they fixed the problem where the playback craps out when the show ends, I'll be happy.

The major part of the update is that you can now watch a recording program from the beginning instead of having to rewind with your eyes closed so you don't see the entire show backwards! :p To me this is HUGE as I often want to start watching in the middle of a recording program but in the past have found myself just waiting until it was over. The option to start at the beginning solves that issue for me and I was really ticked when they teased us with it last year! When the update was put in last year for a day, it also prevented the show from kicking out if it ended while you were watching it delayed. I haven't tested that yet, but I'm assuming that's in this fix as well. I sure hope so.

One thing I do not like about this fix is that program rating (PG, MA, etc.) that was added to the scrolling window. Previously it was the review rating (ie 2 1/2 stars, 4 stars, etc...). Now you can't see that unless you to to the guide and hit info. I like the old way better.

One other thing to look out for is that the update reset the audio volume setting back to variable so you'll need to change it back to fixed.

The major part of the update is that you can now watch a recording program from the beginning instead of having to rewind with your eyes closed so you don't see the entire show backwards! :p To me this is HUGE as I often want to start watching in the middle of a recording program but in the past have found myself just waiting until it was over. The option to start at the beginning solves that issue for me and I was really ticked when they teased us with it last year! When the update was put in last year for a day, it also prevented the show from kicking out if it ended while you were watching it delayed. I haven't tested that yet, but I'm assuming that's in this fix as well. I sure hope so.


One thing I do not like about this fix is that program rating (PG, MA, etc.) that was added to the scrolling window. Previously it was the review rating (ie 2 1/2 stars, 4 stars, etc...). Now you can't see that unless you to to the guide and hit info. I like the old way better.

One other thing to look out for is that the update reset the audio volume setting back to variable so you'll need to change it back to fixed.

So I was right about the start from the beginning thing. It had been a while.

That is a convinent feature. Of course since I have a TiVo S3 I've had that for a while. Not to mention a relible DVR, that doesn't do partial recordings (SA 8300 did at least two partials for weeks) and one with a good search feature, a real season pass manager.......

I could go on and on but then you would all think I'm bragging.....lol....and I am. :D

I just noticed another new feature. When selecting to record a program multiple times, it now adds the option to record this channel, this time and THIS DAY instead of just any day or any time. Definately something that has long been needed. I'm sick of recording ROME 4 times per week since they show it at 9:00 PM so many times.

Still it's a far cry from TiVo S3, but at least some needed features are being added...and I didn't drop $800 for it or pay $12.95 a month. ;) ...but yeah, I get that it's great. I know you had huge issues with your 8300hd so I'm glad the new TiVo is working out for you. Funny thing is that I've rarely had an issue with my 8300's (I have 3 of them). I heard that Comcast is in talks to add TiVo functionality. It would be great if TW did the same.

UPDATE - Just noticed another feature. If watching 4:3 SD and output at 1080i or 720p 16:9, the side bars are now grey instead of black. That'll help with uneven wear for those with CRT or Plasma (and even LCD in some cases with retention).

UPDATE - Just noticed another feature. If watching 4:3 SD and output at 1080i or 720p 16:9, the side bars are now grey instead of black. That'll help with uneven wear for those with CRT or Plasma (and even LCD in some cases with retention).

The shade of the blank pillarbox or letterbox bars is user-adjustable from the settings menu. I believe the default setting is grey and you can change it to white or black depending on your preferences. Grey is the best setting though in terms of evening out the wear on the phosphors.

The shade of the blank pillarbox or letterbox bars is user-adjustable from the settings menu. I believe the default setting is grey and you can change it to white or black depending on your preferences. Grey is the best setting though in terms of evening out the wear on the phosphors.

Assuming you have phosphors. :p

When the box reset with the software updated the other day, it must have gone back to the default of grey. Strangly, all three of my SA8300HD's came with the bars set to black. I never realized that the setting called 'TV borders' (or something close to that) was really the pillarbox settings. It always irked me that SA would have the bars black which is the worst for CRT's and Plasmas. I just didn't know what that was for. You'd figure SA would make it a little more clear than just TV borders. ha!

Speaking of black bars...my buddy just told me his Diamond series Mitsubishi has burn-in now (uneven wear) because of those black bars. Not sure why he was watching so much pillarboxed 4:3 but those grey bars would have helped him.

Speaking of black bars...my buddy just told me his Diamond series Mitsubishi has burn-in now (uneven wear) because of those black bars. Not sure why he was watching so much pillarboxed 4:3 but those grey bars would have helped him.

He might be able to reverse this by changing the pillarbox borders to white for awhile. That'll allow the phosphors at the edges to catch up with the wear in the center.

I just noticed another new feature. When selecting to record a program multiple times, it now adds the option to record this channel, this time and THIS DAY instead of just any day or any time. Definately something that has long been needed. I'm sick of recording ROME 4 times per week since they show it at 9:00 PM so many times.

Still it's a far cry from TiVo S3, but at least some needed features are being added...and I didn't drop $800 for it or pay $12.95 a month. ;) ...but yeah, I get that it's great. I know you had huge issues with your 8300hd so I'm glad the new TiVo is working out for you. Funny thing is that I've rarely had an issue with my 8300's (I have 3 of them). I heard that Comcast is in talks to add TiVo functionality. It would be great if TW did the same.

UPDATE - Just noticed another feature. If watching 4:3 SD and output at 1080i or 720p 16:9, the side bars are now grey instead of black. That'll help with uneven wear for those with CRT or Plasma (and even LCD in some cases with retention).

I noticed the update on Time Warner this week also. Ironic that Cox and Time Warner both update. The "play from beginning" alone is about a 200% improvement in my opinion. Especially handy when watching sports...you can watch a TNT Cavaliers game in about 1/3 of the time, thanks to their super long halftime and extraordinary number of commercials...

I noticed the update on Time Warner this week also. Ironic that Cox and Time Warner both update. The "play from beginning" alone is about a 200% improvement in my opinion. Especially handy when watching sports...you can watch a TNT Cavaliers game in about 1/3 of the time, thanks to their super long halftime and extraordinary number of commercials...

So you can see the Cavs lose sooner :) LOL

So you can see the Cavs lose sooner :) LOL

Ummm, don't they have like the 7th or 8th best W-L record in the entire NBA, and second place in their division right now?
I haven't seen any games or scores for a while. Are they on a losing streak or something??

Not really- I'm just a Piston fan and couldn't pass that up.

2nd best in the east and 4 GB Detroit.

I emailed STO and got a response back that their Indians away games will not be in HD this year. That's disappointing. IIRC, last year STO said in 2007 they would be equipped to have the away games in HD in addition to the home games.

I see WKYC has their 20 games again - I assume they will have both home and away coverage in HD, like last year.

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/cle/schedule/broadcast.jsp

I also notice no Fox (Saturday) or ESPN (Sunday night) games are listed on the schedule, but I guess they make those decisions later?

Whooo, you scarred me for a bit. I thought you said NO Indians games in HD at first. So it will be like last year, all home games.

Sure I'd like to see road games too, but that's still a heck of alot of baseball in HD.

hookbill,

I read the same thing on paule123's post. Almost fell out of my chair. But you are right, half the season is still very nice and better than we are getting from our other sports teams.

Here's the big question. Is FOX going to show Saturday games in HD this year? It seems about time.

Here's the big question. Is FOX going to show Saturday games in HD this year? It seems about time.

Yep, this was announced a few months ago. Fox Saturday games in HD this year.

MLB on FOX (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=804367&highlight=FOX)

Here's the big question. Is FOX going to show Saturday games in HD this year? It seems about time.

HD Sports Guide (http://www.hdsportsguide.com/singleNews.php?page=309) reports that all regular season games will be in HD.

EDIT: I guess I need to be slightly faster.

Thanks guys. That made my day! :)

WEAO-DT should be back to normal... VRM replaced. 49-1, 49-2, 49-3.

I can swear that wind really affects the DTV OTA signal. Today, I've been having a flakey and highly fluctuating signal, and it has been a gusty day. It seems like everytime it's windy, this happens.

I have noticed the same thing. I live in North Canton and get all my HD programming OTA via an amplified indoor rabbit ears antenna and ATSC tuner. I have strong reception except on those days when the winds are kicking up. For some stations, the airplanes going over my house on their way to land at Akron-Canton Airport also disrupt the signal. Does anyone know if wind or planes would afffect reception from an outdoor antenna ?

I have noticed the same thing. I live in North Canton and get all my HD programming OTA via an amplified indoor rabbit ears antenna and ATSC tuner. I have strong reception except on those days when the winds are kicking up. For some stations, the airplanes going over my house on their way to land at Akron-Canton Airport also disrupt the signal. Does anyone know if wind or planes would afffect reception from an outdoor antenna ?

From what I've learned about a digital signal compared to analog, it is highly suceptible when it comes to the analog equivalent of ghosting. If you have this problem of ghosting, then chances are, your digital OTA signal will be crappy with high fluctuations or whatever. This was a problem I have experienced when I lived in a different part of Akron, where analogs were ghosty. A directional antenna will help reduce this effect, but on windy days (and even planes flying over), the moving trees may cause the signal to bounce in weird and unpredictable directions. The only solution I can think of, is for the antenna to be high enough above all of these obstructions to minimize this effect.

It's good to see some fellow North Canton area folks on here! I too have noticed fluctuations and wondered how much interference can be attributed to the airport. I'm actually north of North Canton along one of the main flight paths. Somedays I get good reception and others it is greatly reduced. I'm usually OK with CH 21 out of Y-town but could barely get a watchable signal last night. Not sure if this is from interference or a station problem. I know part of my problem is that my antennas are in the attic. I don't know if this adds multi-path. I have a VHF/UHF pointed toward Cleveland and a UHF pointed toward Y-Town. Both are combined then amplified. I know an outdoor antenna would be best but we're not "supposed" to have them and the wife doesn't want a big growth off the roof! Has anyone here tried the Winegard MS2000 omni antenna or similar. I could probably get away with this mounted to my old dish mast. Denny from dennysantennaservice web site claims this antenna would work well at this location but I'm skeptical. His site shows many happy people and will do a full refund including shipping. Any input before I give it a try?
Thanks!

Has anyone here tried the Winegard MS2000 omni antenna or similar. I could probably get away with this mounted to my old dish mast. Denny from dennysantennaservice web site claims this antenna would work well at this location but I'm skeptical. His site shows many happy people and will do a full refund including shipping. Any input before I give it a try?
Thanks!
This fall I mounted a Winegard Sensar III (GS2200) on my 2 story roof with a short mast. I also looked at the Square Shooter, but found it was weak in the VHF range. I get decent reception with it even though I have a line of very tall trees (20 ft taller than the antenna) about 30ft from the house in the direction of the Parma antenna farm. I usually get digital from 3, 5, 19, but 8, and 43 are spotty day to day (weather affects OTA reception too). Youngstown is spotty since I don't have the antenna pointed that way. 45/49 comes in great. I'm sure my reception will get worse as the leaves grow this spring. All this to say that your surrounding landscape is more critical to your reception than your antenna type, as long as your using one made for the range you're at from the towers (check antennaweb.org). I have heard an omni directional antenna such as the MS2000 is not as good as a directional antenna when you are battling multi-path issues such as reflected signal from buildings, towers, and even perhaps planes. It would help you pick up the Cleveland and Y-town markets without rotating the antenna though. The Sensar is a wing style that isn't too obtrusive up on top of the roof. What ever you choose, do get an amplified antenna and maybe even a rotor.

I used to use a Radio Shack Omni at my old house. I put it on a 20' mast (2 10' sections) it never fell as it's weight an profile was not subject to swaying. I foud that rotating it ever so slightly makes a big difference (even though they claim it's omnidirectional, it not perfectly omni).

The bottom line with omni's is finding the "sweet spot" where all desired stations come in 100% of the time. The best way to do this is by watching your weakest station while tweaking the rotation. Even which side of your chimney the mast is mounted on may make a big difference.

Thanks for the replies! I'm getting pretty good reception today, go figure. I think my terrain is OK. I've got nothing toward Youngstown and just the tops of trees about 200' from my house in line with Cleveland. The Winegard MS2000 is an amplified omni but the directions do state that it needs rotated to find the best reception. The info on Dennys Antenna Sevice web site shows results from different areas based on your state. Again it seems like he's had a high success rate with this antenna even for distances beyond its rating. I'm not plugging his business but he had some good info and gave me a good reply to some questions. Any other experiences from this antenna or similar ones?
Thanks

Sound question.

While watching WEWS HD in Massillon
I noticed how bad the sound track was off
This was during Jimmy Kimmel live and again to day with Reggis and Kelly

It becomes very hard to watch as it seems to get worse as the show go on.
Anyone else notice this?



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I have not noticed WEWS being out of sync lately (the news was in sync), however another local station was way out-of sync last night: WEAO. They seem to have this problam on a regular basis. It had this problem over 2 years ago when I first got an ATSC tuner. Last night during The Nightly Business report (after midnight) it was painful to watch - it was well over a second out of sync.

Wide Open West pushed out an update for the SA8300HD boxes (it's about time!)

Now running SARA 1.88.22.1. It's a May 2006 release... only took 'em 10 months to push it to the customers, LOL. The FF 4X is there, the Video Source (Aux) button on the remote now works, there's more Firewire and in-home server (multi room view) stuff on the diagnostics screens. Not sure if firewire has been enabled, though.

Wide Open West pushed out an update for the SA8300HD boxes (it's about time!)

Now running SARA 1.88.22.1. It's a May 2006 release... only took 'em 10 months to push it to the customers, LOL. The FF 4X is there, the Video Source (Aux) button on the remote now works, there's more Firewire and in-home server (multi room view) stuff on the diagnostics screens. Not sure if firewire has been enabled, though.

Someone told me that the firewire was enabled on 1.87.xx.x but they never got back to me as to what they were able to do with it.

When you say MRV are you able to do that with all content? Do you have two DVR's to try it?

Just curious, we can't do that with the S2 because of CableLabs hasn't resolved their issues with TiVo.

I have not noticed WEWS being out of sync lately (the news was in sync), however another local station was way out-of sync last night: WEAO. They seem to have this problam on a regular basis.

I have noticed both of these stations having audio-video sync issues within the past week. WEWS-DT was pre-empting ABC programming one night and showing Billy Graham and they had the sync problem then. I also noticed the sync problem one night last week on WEAO-DT during one of their pledge drive breaks. These two stations seem to have the most problems with this in our market, although I have not noticed it on WEWS-DT as much lately. It used to be a frequent problem on their Saturday night ABC movie.

For some stations, the airplanes going over my house on their way to land at Akron-Canton Airport also disrupt the signal. Does anyone know if wind or planes would afffect reception from an outdoor antenna ?

Do you ever get the Life Flight or Air National Guard helicopters flying over your house? Those will disrupt the signal briefly also. At times, they will fly DIRECTLY over my house - rattling windows and all. More than likely, multipath interference. Large metal object appears in the sky and reflects RF signals in unexpected ways. Fortunately, the phenomenon is brief - the aircraft passes over and it is gone. Just be thankful that we are not living in a flight path to O'Hare in Chicago - those folks probably have constant OTA reception issues.

Someone told me that the firewire was enabled on 1.87.xx.x but they never got back to me as to what they were able to do with it.

When you say MRV are you able to do that with all content? Do you have two DVR's to try it?

Just curious, we can't do that with the S2 because of CableLabs hasn't resolved their issues with TiVo.

I said I saw the MRV stuff in the diagnostics screens, I didn't say it actually worked :D I would expect it to work sometime shortly after hell freezes over. I haven't seen any mentions of SA enabling MRV anywhere.

With 1.87.16, firewire did nothing when plugged into a windows XP PC. Last night after the 1.88.22 upgrade, I plugged it into my laptop and it started detecting the SA8300HD AVC device, etc etc. Of course, this leads you to a nightmare of driver installation and software configuration, none of which is officially supported or well documented. It'll take me a week just to find the right thread here on AVS that steps me through getting firewire and the SA8300HD working with XP. :D

I have noticed both of these stations having audio-video sync issues within the past week. WEWS-DT was pre-empting ABC programming one night and showing Billy Graham and they had the sync problem then. I also noticed the sync problem one night last week on WEAO-DT during one of their pledge drive breaks. These two stations seem to have the most problems with this in our market, although I have not noticed it on WEWS-DT as much lately. It used to be a frequent problem on their Saturday night ABC movie.


Here I thought it was a cable problem.
Sometimes it is hard to watch it is so far off.


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Do you ever get the Life Flight or Air National Guard helicopters flying over your house? Those will disrupt the signal briefly also. At times, they will fly DIRECTLY over my house - rattling windows and all.

The choppers do fly DIRECTLY over my house. I love the big Chinooks. I can't tell if they cause any reception problems because my vision gets distorted from the teeth rattling in my head! :eek:

Do you ever get the Life Flight or Air National Guard helicopters flying over your house? Those will disrupt the signal briefly also.

I'm due south of the Akron-Canton airport, planes fly
directly overhead at about 1000 ft... I usually get
2 or 3 freezes when the planes fly over... when they're
stacked up it gets annoying... on the spectrum
analyzer the normally flat waveform develops a sinewave
varying in frequency as the plane moves over...

Ed...

I got a chuckle this morning when scrolling through my channel guide on WOW. There's a channel (995?) that's an on-screen Caller-ID service. If you have WOW phone (VOIP) and their cable TV service, for a mere additional $2 a month, they'll activate Caller ID through the SA8300HD. :rolleyes:

Anyway to squeeze another nickel out of the customers, I guess.

I'm due south of the Akron-Canton airport, planes fly
directly overhead at about 1000 ft... I usually get
2 or 3 freezes when the planes fly over... when they're
stacked up it gets annoying... on the spectrum
analyzer the normally flat waveform develops a sinewave
varying in frequency as the plane moves over...

Ed...Have you tried putting up a taller fence to keep the planes out of your property? :D

I'm due south of the Akron-Canton airport, planes fly
directly overhead at about 1000 ft... I usually get
2 or 3 freezes when the planes fly over... when they're
stacked up it gets annoying... on the spectrum
analyzer the normally flat waveform develops a sinewave
varying in frequency as the plane moves over...

Ed...
If you've got a spectrum analyzer and you know what frequencies the planes are transmitting on, then maybe you could use a notch or band-stop filter to get rid of the interference.

Best regards,
Andy

If you've got a spectrum analyzer and you know what frequencies the planes are transmitting on, then maybe you could use a notch or band-stop filter to get rid of the interference.

Best regards,
Andy

Methinks he's seeing phase cancellation setting itself up from the reflections from the plane's body. That must be an interesting looking waveform.

If you've got a spectrum analyzer and you know what frequencies the planes are transmitting on, then maybe you could use a notch or band-stop filter to get rid of the interference.

Agree with Cathode Kid...
I'm guessing its the sum of the direct and
reflected signals as the aircraft reflected
signal changes in amplitude and phase...
Ed...

Does anyone know if CBS plans to show all the NCAA Tournament games in hi def or just some ?

Does anyone know if CBS plans to show all the NCAA Tournament games in hi def or just some ?

All the games:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=817525

Edit: I should correct that to say CBS (the network) will cover all the games in HD, but whether or not your affiliate shows the HD version or an SD version is another story. Here's the programming notes for March Madness on www.woio.com :

http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=1176429&nav=menu68_7

"HD coverage plans will be announced shortly."

If I understand this "constant coverage" thing correctly, it looks like the Ohio State game on Thursday night will be SD. How stupid is that?

Does anyone know if CBS plans to show all the NCAA Tournament games in hi def or just some ?

The promos I seen for the games all said in HD.

The promos I seen for the games all said in HD.

Did you bother to read the two links in the post above yours? The only hope will be if WOIO puts one of the four flex HD feeds on its on its digital channel instead of upconverting the constant Ohio State SD feed. And even if they did that, the most HD you probably would see of the Ohio State game would be the highlights. Even so, I hope they do that to give us the most viewing flexability. I know I'm dreaming though.

Did you bother to read the two links in the post above yours? The only hope will be if WOIO puts one of the four flex HD feeds on its on its digital channel instead of upconverting the constant Ohio State SD feed. And even if they did that, the most HD you probably would see of the Ohio State game would be the highlights. Even so, I hope they do that to give us the most viewing flexability. I know I'm dreaming though.


If you mean this post which is 2 above mine YES :

>>Does anyone know if CBS plans to show all the NCAA Tournament games in hi def or just some ?<<

If you mean this post which is 2 above mine YES :

>>Does anyone know if CBS plans to show all the NCAA Tournament games in hi def or just some ?<<

You obviously did not read the NCAA thread because your question is answered in detail there. But if all you want a simplistic answer, that doesn't accurately describe what is really going on, it is: Just some.

WOIO has updated their March Madness programming notes page to include the Friday schedule as well as the Thursday schedule:

http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=1176429&nav=menu68_7

They don't make absolutely clear whether Ohio State is HD or not...

"The CBS network will be broadcasting an HD feed from all of the sites for the first and second-round games. NOTE that all of the HD feeds will be "flex" feeds that are switched between venues throughout each day. WOIO-DT will broadcast the games in HD as fed by CBS."

They don't make absolutely clear whether Ohio State is HD or not...

"The CBS network will be broadcasting an HD feed from all of the sites for the first and second-round games. NOTE that all of the HD feeds will be "flex" feeds that are switched between venues throughout each day. WOIO-DT will broadcast the games in HD as fed by CBS."

Based on the following excerpt from another thread, it appears eveything is HD except for the OSU game Thursday night:

"For each “Window” or Time Slot:
- If the local affiliate is in a Flex Region, they will broadcast the game is HD.

- If the local affiliate is in a Constant Region, they will upconvert the SD Constant Feed."

WOIO has an asterisk next to the OSU game denoting it as a "constant" designation, thus no HD. What sense does that make ?

The best that we can hope for is that they put one of the four HD flex feeds on the digital channel. My guess though is that they will mindlessly just upconvert the SD Ohio State constant feed and put that on the digital channel giving us no options. I could see though how that would be much simpler for them from the standpoint of inserting their local commercials. They probably would not even want to think about having to keep track of two different feeds.

So how bad was everyone's drop outs last night with all the weather? My OTA has been surprisingly reliable for the last 3-4 months until last night. It was so bad on CBS (Jericho) I had to watch SD on my Dish as the signal nearly locked up completely for a few minutes.

I was recording Crossing Jordan and Bones at the same time. My wife called me from New Jersey because she heard about the tornado and asked me if I knew anything. I went to live TV and while I had no news for her I did observe that Crossing Jordan was experiencing pixelation and sound drop offs. Bones looked like it was coming in fine.

WOIO has updated their March Madness programming notes page to include the Friday schedule as well as the Thursday schedule:

http://www.woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=1176429&nav=menu68_7

They don't make absolutely clear whether Ohio State is HD or not...

"The CBS network will be broadcasting an HD feed from all of the sites for the first and second-round games. NOTE that all of the HD feeds will be "flex" feeds that are switched between venues throughout each day. WOIO-DT will broadcast the games in HD as fed by CBS."


Damn Im getting the Blue bars on the Butler game they say HD but its not in HD on WOIO-DT. Too bad D* is blacking out the MMM feeds that are on the local CBS station even the HD feeds. The SD upconvert looks like crap too.

Damn Im getting the Blue bars on the Butler game they say HD but its not in HD on WOIO-DT. Too bad D* is blacking out the MMM feeds that are on the local CBS station even the HD feeds. The SD upconvert looks like crap too.

WOIO probably forgot to flip the switch. All the games on WOIO today except Ohio State should be HD, regardless of the D* MMM deal. I just tuned in at 3:45pm and I'm getting ORA/WASH in HD on WOIO OTA. The PQ isn't the greatest, but it's HD.

Edit: Old Dominion/Butler is on now, and it's HD.

So how bad was everyone's drop outs last night with all the weather? My OTA has been surprisingly reliable for the last 3-4 months until last night. It was so bad on CBS (Jericho) I had to watch SD on my Dish as the signal nearly locked up completely for a few minutes.

I'm pretty sure it was an issue with the CBS-HD feed being received by WOIO and not reception, as the SD upconvert (for the weather graphic overlays) during the first 1/2 of the show was perfect, and the dropouts and freezes only started when they switched to the HD feed.

After all that brouhaha about constant vs. flex feeds, I'm pleasantly surprised the Ohio State game is HD !

Hopefully they don't cut away early and go SD...

Edit: Ohio State game is SD now. Sigh.

too late its sd :(

So how bad was everyone's drop outs last night with all the weather? My OTA has been surprisingly reliable for the last 3-4 months until last night. It was so bad on CBS (Jericho) I had to watch SD on my Dish as the signal nearly locked up completely for a few minutes.

I don't think I had WOIO-DT on Wed night. But Thur night, I was trying to watch the Buckeyes game and the breakups and freezes were so bad, I had to switch over to WKBN-DT, which was showing the constant coverage SD feed. Oh well, from what I read above, WOIO-DT didn't stay with the HD flex feed for long. I did switch back over to WOIO-DT for the Duke-VCU game and reception was somewhat better - it was at least watchable.

My WOIO-DT reception has been less dependable lately, and I'm not sure why. Anybody else having more problems with OTA reception of WOIO-DT?

I'm pretty sure it was an issue with the CBS-HD feed being received by WOIO and not reception, as the SD upconvert (for the weather graphic overlays) during the first 1/2 of the show was perfect, and the dropouts and freezes only started when they switched to the HD feed.


Excellent observation... I didn't even think about that! I guess I have another reason to complain about WOIO.

Cheers.

I don't think I had WOIO-DT on Wed night. But Thur night, I was trying to watch the Buckeyes game and the breakups and freezes were so bad, I had to switch over to WKBN-DT, which was showing the constant coverage SD feed. Oh well, from what I read above, WOIO-DT didn't stay with the HD flex feed for long. I did switch back over to WOIO-DT for the Duke-VCU game and reception was somewhat better - it was at least watchable.

My WOIO-DT reception has been less dependable lately, and I'm not sure why. Anybody else having more problems with OTA reception of WOIO-DT?

WKBN reports that the rest of their NCAA schedule should be flex games meaning they should all be HD broadcasts. I hope they are right. The WKBN games following the OSU contest last night were all HD and looked great.

TW Cleveland channel 774 iNHD rarely works for me. Tonight it shows NBA basketball (Detroit Pistons at Phoenix Suns) and since that game has playoff implications for the Cavs I figured I'd watch some of it. No deal; it's a black screen. I've noticed this a lot lately. Does anyone else on TW Cleveland have that problem? Also, I've read here about Fox Sports Ohio and Sports Time Ohio being available HD, but apparently TWC isn't providing them, at least not to me. Are TW Cleveland customers supposed to get those two crucial sports channels in HD?

Edit: I think I figured out that STO uses 798 for HD, but what about FSO? I'm tired of watching the Cavs in SD; is there any HD Cavs coverage?

TW Cleveland channel 774 iNHD rarely works for me. Tonight it shows NBA basketball (Detroit Pistons at Phoenix Suns) and since that game has playoff implications for the Cavs I figured I'd watch some of it. No deal; it's a black screen. I've noticed this a lot lately. Does anyone else on TW Cleveland have that problem? Also, I've read here about Fox Sports Ohio and Sports Time Ohio being available HD, but apparently TWC isn't providing them, at least not to me. Are TW Cleveland customers supposed to get those two crucial sports channels in HD?

Edit: I think I figured out that STO uses 798 for HD, but what about FSO? I'm tired of watching the Cavs in SD; is there any HD Cavs coverage?

I haven't heard anything at all about FSO in HD. Right now for some reason TW doesn't seem to want to add anything.

The source for what's coming is a guy named hansen and the last I heard from him was that we were suppose to get Universal HD and another PBS staion in HD. But that was back around October and nothing happened.

This dude never missed prior to this so I don't know but I have a feeling that TW wants to complete the merger of Adelphia to TW lineup and I heard the goal for that is June. So I wouldn't hold my breath until then for any additional HD channels. I talked to someone at head end and they couldn't tell me anything either.

I have no idea why it was blacked out on INHD but I can't confirm because I am not a basketball fan and I wasn't looking.

I haven't heard anything at all about FSO in HD. Right now for some reason TW doesn't seem to want to add anything.

The source for what's coming is a guy named hansen and the last I heard from him was that we were suppose to get Universal HD and another PBS staion in HD. But that was back around October and nothing happened.

This dude never missed prior to this so I don't know but I have a feeling that TW wants to complete the merger of Adelphia to TW lineup and I heard the goal for that is June. So I wouldn't hold my breath until then for any additional HD channels. I talked to someone at head end and they couldn't tell me anything either.

I have no idea why it was blacked out on INHD but I can't confirm because I am not a basketball fan and I wasn't looking.
I did find this (http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5894594) regarding this season of Cavaliers basketball in HD on FSO, apparently on channel 531, although I can't seem to verify that.

iNHD seems to be a black screen a large majority of the time. I'm not sure why that is, but they always show programming info and then when I tune in there's nothing there. Just wondering if that's happening with everyone else on TW in Cleveland with an 8300HD.

I did find this (http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5894594) regarding this season of Cavaliers basketball in HD on FSO, apparently on channel 531, although I can't seem to verify that.

iNHD seems to be a black screen a large majority of the time. I'm not sure why that is, but they always show programming info and then when I tune in there's nothing there. Just wondering if that's happening with everyone else on TW in Cleveland with an 8300HD.


The last time I checked INHD was working just fine. I have a TiVo S3 but if it works on mine it should work on yours.

Now this may seem like a real dumb question but you do realize that INHD is part of the HD Plus package? If you just have standard HD you don't get INHD.

The homeowners association cannot prevent you from putting up an antenna. The fact that you have cable has nothing to do with it. Their restriction is unenforceable. If you want to put up an antenna, you may. See the following FCC ruling for full information:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/consumerdish.html

Interesting link, however....

In the case of condominiums, cooperatives, and rental properties, the rules apply to “exclusive use” areas, like terraces, balconies, or patios. “Exclusive use” means an area of the property that only you and people you permit may enter and use. If the area is shared with others or accessible without your permission, it is not considered.

OTARD rules do not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium owners. These common areas may include the roof or exterior walls of a multiple dwelling unit.

I just stumbled across this from the Canadian's equivelent of the FCC:
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2007/pb2007-14.htm#5
A new analog station is being proposed for ch 26 in London, Ontario.

Maybe WVIZ should consider staying on ch 25 at the end of the transition.

Or they can stay at 26 & use a milliwatt transmitter like 19 is going to do. :D

The last time I checked INHD was working just fine. I have a TiVo S3 but if it works on mine it should work on yours.

Now this may seem like a real dumb question but you do realize that INHD is part of the HD Plus package? If you just have standard HD you don't get INHD.
When I signed up for HD on the phone I told them to give me all of the stations except premiums, which I believe was a slight upcharge (haven't gotten the bill yet).

The channel guide they gave me with the 8300HD shows two sections of HD: HDTV (channels 703/4/5/6/8/10/15/50/51/52/53/76/79/98/99) and HDTV Tier (channels 770/71/72/73/74). I have all those stations except the premiums (HBO, ST, Starz, Cinemax), including the ones they list in HDTV Tier (HDNets, ESPNs, iNHD). In any event, iNHD is on right now with "Olympic Treasures" and works fine. I don't get why sometimes it's a black screen, even when the PG lists a program, and sometimes it works fine.

Anyone else have this problem? I don't like that it shows a basketball game I'd like to watch and all I get is a black screen. :confused:

The inHD basketball games are in conjunction with NBA TV. Adelphia didn't (and presumably Time Warner doesn't) have a contract with NBA TV and therefore must blackout all NBA games on inHD.

In any event, iNHD is on right now with "Olympic Treasures" and works fine. I don't get why sometimes it's a black screen, even when the PG lists a program, and sometimes it works fine.

Anyone else have this problem? I don't like that it shows a basketball game I'd like to watch and all I get is a black screen. :confused:

InHD is an "all or nothing" channel; you either get it 24/7 or you don't. You might have a problem with low levels or ingress on that QAM. If there's a splitter upstream of the box or Tivo, try bypassing it to get 3db more signal to that outlet.

The inHD basketball games are in conjunction with NBA TV. Adelphia didn't (and presumably Time Warner doesn't) have a contract with NBA TV and therefore must blackout all NBA games on inHD.
Aha! I thought it might be something like that, because now that I think about it it's almost always NBA basketball that this happens with. I think that's what it must be. Although I'm still surprised the PG shows the basketball game that's scheduled if they aren't able to show it.

InHD is an "all or nothing" channel; you either get it 24/7 or you don't. You might have a problem with low levels or ingress on that QAM. If there's a splitter upstream of the box or Tivo, try bypassing it to get 3db more signal to that outlet.
It's cable, and it comes directly into the house from the pole outside to the 8300HD. I know because I watched the installer run the cable. So, no splitters, at least not on this box. Thanks though; I think what jtscherne said explains it.

The inHD basketball games are in conjunction with NBA TV. Adelphia didn't (and presumably Time Warner doesn't) have a contract with NBA TV and therefore must blackout all NBA games on inHD.

I think your close but not quite there. TW does have NBA TV, it's on channel 168 and you need to purchase their digital plus package to receive this. So it would appear to me that they black out the game because they want you to watch it on digital 168. And of course that still is not HD. So it's probably in their contract with NBA TV that they can't show the INHD version. Which sucks if your a basketball fan IMHO.

I think your close but not quite there. TW does have NBA TV, it's on channel 168 and you need to purchase their digital plus package to receive this. So it would appear to me that they black out the game because they want you to watch it on digital 168. And of course that still is not HD. So it's probably in their contract with NBA TV that they can't show the INHD version. Which sucks if your a basketball fan IMHO.

Weird, they didn't blackout the games here in Cincinnati when I had TWC. Is it possible the game was it a Cavs game or do they black out all the games?

Weird, they didn't blackout the games here in Cincinnati when I had TWC. Is it possible the game was it a Cavs game or do they black out all the games?

Again I'm not into basketball, but I suppose if the Cavs were playing on FSO there could have been a black out rule.

Aha! I thought it might be something like that, because now that I think about it it's almost always NBA basketball that this happens with. I think that's what it must be. Although I'm still surprised the PG shows the basketball game that's scheduled if they aren't able to show it.


It's cable, and it comes directly into the house from the pole outside to the 8300HD. I know because I watched the installer run the cable. So, no splitters, at least not on this box. Thanks though; I think what jtscherne said explains it.

That's probably right. I'm not a sports fan so I don't keep track of blackout rules. Whenever I see a black screen my immediate instinct is to jump out of the chair and troubleshoot! :rolleyes:

Went to Channel 3 to get my Saturday fix of Law and Order and found an old Matlock on .

Anyone know why Law and Order is being aired at
3 and 4 am ?

OK, answering all the open questions:

* TWC Cleveland (ex-Adelphia) does show FSN Ohio's HD games, including the Cavs and the Columbus Blue Jackets, on channel 798. It's called "HD Bonus", and has been that way since Adelphia started it.

I don't know what'll happen if STO's HD Indians games, and FSN Ohio's HD telecasts, overlap.

531 is a channel on the "legacy" TWC (Akron/Canton) system. It doesn't exist on the former Adelphia system. The legacy system carries all its HD content in the 5xx range, and the former Adelphia side uses the 7xx numbering.

* InHD/774 plays the same role that InHD2/775 did before. InHD2 was frequently pre-empted for HD simulcasts of sports programming on other networks. That was one reason it even existed.

When InHD2 died, they moved this activity to the main InHD channel.

TWC does carry NBA TV, but I have no idea if they "turn on" InHD if you do subscribe to the Digital Plus tier that has NBA TV. I would guess that there's no provision to link the Digital Plus subscription to the InHD carriage of the NBA TV game in HD.

Oddly enough, they don't shut out Versus (ex-OLN) coverage of the NHL in HD on InHD. I get it even though I don't subscribe to Digital Plus.

Weird, they didn't blackout the games here in Cincinnati when I had TWC. Is it possible the game was it a Cavs game or do they black out all the games?
It was Pistons at Suns, so no blackout rule that I know of would apply. Reading all the replies, I'm thinking it's because I don't have Digital Plus (or I guess I don't; I pay $75 a month with no premiums so I'm surprised I don't). It's weird that when you call them they don't even seem to know all the programming tiers they offer. I basically wanted everything but premiums (HBO, ST, Max, Starz) and I guess I didn't get it all anyway.

It was Pistons at Suns, so no blackout rule that I know of would apply. Reading all the replies, I'm thinking it's because I don't have Digital Plus (or I guess I don't; I pay $75 a month with no premiums so I'm surprised I don't).

Once again, if you don't have NBA TV (in the 1xx digital channels), you don't have Digital Plus.

But I'm only assuming this is the case - they may still blackout the InHD games even if you did get the channel. They shouldn't, but Adelphia blacked it out as a rule because Adelphia didn't carry NBA TV at all on any tier.

The only thing you can do if this is important to you is call up and turn on Digital Plus, then see if they clear the game on InHD...

The only thing you can do if this is important to you is call up and turn on Digital Plus, then see if they clear the game on InHD...

I strongly doubt that will happen. It sucks but that's probably the set up they got with the NBA.

im new to OTA HDTV and need some help

i just set everything up and only get 3 channels (abc, fox, univision) using my hauppauge hvr-950's antenna that it came with. is this just a case of the antenna not being very good? im probably less than 10 miles from all the major networks so i should receive them.

here's the info i get from antennaweb.org:

DTV Antenna Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live
Date Compass Orientation Miles From Frequency
Assignment
* yellow - uhf WEWS-DT 5.1 ABC CLEVELAND OH 233° 9.9 15
* yellow - uhf WUAB-DT 43.1 MNT LORAIN OH 235° 9.7 28
* yellow - uhf WQHS-DT 61.1 UNI Cleveland OH 232° 8.9 34
* yellow - uhf WJW-DT 8.1 FOX CLEVELAND OH 230° 10.4 31
* yellow - uhf WBNX-DT 55.1 CW AKRON OH 231° 8.6 30
* green - vhf WKYC-DT 3.1 NBC CLEVELAND OH 230° 8.3 2
* red - uhf WDLI-DT 39.1 TBN CANTON OH 189° 29.0 39
* red - uhf WEAO-DT 50.1 PBS AKRON OH 193° 27.2 50
* red - vhf WOIO-DT 19.1 CBS SHAKER HEIGHTS OH 232° 8.4 10
* red - uhf WVPX-DT 59 ION AKRON OH TBD 188° 28.3 59
* blue - uhf WVIZ-DT 25.1 PBS CLEVELAND OH 229° 12.4 26


can anyone recmmend me a cheap uhf/vhf indoor antenna that will allow me to receive all the digital channels listed on titantv? im mainly lookin to get cbs for the ncaa tournament

thanks

can anyone recmmend me a cheap uhf/vhf indoor antenna that will allow me to receive all the digital channels listed on titantv? im mainly lookin to get cbs for the ncaa tournament

thanks

At 10 miles, most decent indoor antennas should get you most of those stations. Judging from the headings in your list, it sounds like you are somewhere northeast of Parma. Do you have a clear line of sight in that direction? It would really help if you had a window in that direction that you could place the antenna at. I use a Philips indoor antenna to pull in a couple of Youngstown stations from North Canton - a little over 40 miles, I think. It does have a built-in amplifier. If you do get an antenna with an amplifier, try it with the amplifier off first (there is typically a switch that will turn the amplifier on or off). You are so close that the amplifier may hinder your reception.

The bad news is that you may have more difficulty with the two VHFs - WKYC-DT and WOIO-DT (which is CBS). These two signals are lower power and notoriously difficult to receive.

The good news is that you may have a shot at WKBN-DT in Y-town (27.1 digital, rf channel 41) if you have a good line of sight towards Y-town. WKBN-DT has a very strong signal and operates on UHF. If you have trouble with WOIO-DT, swing the antenna around and dial up UHF 41 on the tuner.

I'm approximately the same distance away and this antenna works for me. Typically can get all the following channels without having to move the antenna: 3-1, 3-2, 5-1, 8-1, 19-1, 19-2, 43-1, 43-2, 61-1.

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PHDTV1-Digital-HDTV-UHF-Antenna/dp/B0007XDI54/sr=8-2/qid=1172332238/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-0528057-3110541?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

thanks for the response

yea im northeast of parma. i dont have any windows in my room facin that direction...the 2 windows in my room face north and west

is that antenna available at radio shack? some of the reviews are bad but i'll trust you guys. TheBlackKnight which model philips are you usin to receive WKBN-DT?

ive heard that a regular uhf/vhf radioshack antenna works just as good as all these expensive "hdtv" antennas bein marketed now. ill spend a couple extra bucks if need be but if a radioshack antenna works the same as somethin more expensive its not worth it. i want to receive all the digital channels listed under titantv (my zip is 44120)

Hey gang, for some reason I've lost the following hd channels on my sony:
WOIO 111.3
WUAB 118.1
NBC 118.3
ABC 111.10

Fox8 (83.2) still works.

I use the tv's built in tuner..anyone else notice this? Thanks in advance.

Steve

Went to Channel 3 to get my Saturday fix of Law and Order and found an old Matlock on .

Anyone know why Law and Order is being aired at
3 and 4 am ?
Call WKYC and ask the management why they think that they would get more viewers for Matlock than the true NBC program feed. WEWS also runs some Matlock during primetime.

Saturday nights is the worst night for network program ratings, so many affilliates tend to dump the network on that evening's prime-time. This is a big pet peeve of mine.

I guess if the local station thinks that the network programming stinks for that evening, they pull it and get to sell every commercial break (i.e. they don't get as much $$$ from the network ads that they do by pushing this stale crap that belongs on channel 99 & not a major market network affilliate).

This is why they don't want you to watch out-of-market stations. Too bad WFMJ and WYTV's digital signals dont reach as far as WKBN's or many of us would get to see what the network was actually showing.

Another dirty little secret about network pre-emptions - if a program was in HD onthe network, the 2 AM delayed broadcast will be in SD since the local station has no way to record HD for later rebroadcast.

Anyone else having issues with WJW 8.1 OTA???? It normally is rock solid for me. I never lost the signal before. But today it is just not there. WJW analog comes in CRYSTAL clear, but not the digital. All my other Cleveland OTA stations are coming in just fine.

Okay. I am in the massillon area and I can only get Massillon Cable. The service is not bad and the price is right. However, I am in dire need of getting more HD. I really want my STO in HD again (previously I had TWC but had to move) and I'd love to get Fox SPorts Ohio in HD. So what is the scoop? Is the picture quality really that bad? I understand that Direct TV has smaller bandwidth on many HD programs.....but how bad is it really?

Also, can someone who has Direct TV HD package tell me what I will actually get if I sign up? CBS out of Cleveland? STO in HD? Really? Fox Sports Ohio in HD? What else? Unfortunately Direct TV is so huge and services so many areas that I cannot get consistent reliable info from the sales reps or online. I do know that in August of last year they did not offer CBS. It appears that is worked out now...right?

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

Peace!

I'm pretty sure these two links are accurate:
Locals for Zip (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packProg/localChannels.jsp?assetId=900018)
Prosports for Zip (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=P3000004)

Right now your RSNs will be sometimes available on a single channel in the 90s. When D* new satellites go up and become available by sometime late this year, the RSNs will have their own channel and should be available all the time.

My parents live in the Akron area and get the channels listed on those two links and haven't complained to me about any missing channels.

As far as PQ goes, I think it looks good. D* does provide 1920x1080i channels in 1440x1080i or 1280x1080i and the box outputs those channels at the proper format so you won't have compatibility issue, but this does effectively lower the quality of the image. The local channels are in MPEG4 so they use less bandwidth than the MPEG2 counterpart. This additional compression could result in lower quality. I struggle to see the difference on my 720p HDTV compared to the PQ I was getting from TWC.

I recommend that you find a friend or a store that can show you what D* looks like on their equipment and see if it looks good to you.

icicle22, this link may be of interest to you re STO and DirecTV's relationship:
http://www.sportstimeohio.com/directv411.php

is that antenna available at radio shack? some of the reviews are bad but i'll trust you guys. TheBlackKnight which model philips are you usin to receive WKBN-DT?


godshammgod-
To tell you the truth, I'm not sure what model the antenna is. It is actually marked "Philips Magnavox". It was given to me so I don't know where it was purchased or for how much. I would think that it is not too different from any other indoor amplified antenna on the market. It has the telescoping rabbit ears for VHF and the loop (actually more of a dish) for UHF.

icicle22, this link may be of interest to you re STO and DirecTV's relationship:
http://www.sportstimeohio.com/directv411.php

Thanks for the link but still, there is no direct answers as to wether STO is available in HD. I was hooping someone, anyone who has it, can verify that the Indians are broadcast in HD on D*.

After reading the thread on the poor quality of HD over Satelite in general I am leaning away from it again.

Peace!

After reading the thread on the poor quality of HD over Satellite in general I am leaning away from it again.

Don't just take people's word for it on the internet. There are too many fanboys and nit-picky people on the internet that may exaggerate problems/differences in service. After learning as many pros and cons about a product/service as you can, you need to experience them yourself with a in store demo or at a friend/relative's house and see if the pros outweigh the cons for your personal needs.

Thanks for the link but still, there is no direct answers as to wether STO is available in HD. I was hooping someone, anyone who has it, can verify that the Indians are broadcast in HD on D*.

After reading the thread on the poor quality of HD over Satelite in general I am leaning away from it again.

Peace!

What you need to do is call D* and simply ask them. If it's available in your area, they will let you know. D* did not agree to cover all the areas that cable covers so that would be your only source.

As far as quality of HD on D*, I hear the main problem was with locals and I think that has been resolved.

Hey gang, for some reason I've lost the following hd channels on my sony:
WOIO 111.3
WUAB 118.1
NBC 118.3
ABC 111.10

Fox8 (83.2) still works.

I use the tv's built in tuner..anyone else notice this? Thanks in advance.

Steve

Steve, yes....

TWC was in the neighborhood yesterday, although I don't have cable, I had to go over & re-program my neighbors set (Westinghouse), the locals are on 83, 84, & 85 subs now, don't remember exactly but they are on sub numbers 10 & below... strange though another WUAB HD (with info) autoprogrammed itself on 270, Audio but no video & The Tube repeats itself on 500... The Music is on 80 & 93's subs. Before the Auto Program 3 was on 84-53 & 5 was on 84-51

Strange so many scrambled digitals programmed them self in on the auto program... it will take hours to delete them only for TWC to come back & change them.... :confused:

& you PAY good money for this aggravation? :p

Edit: I found my list I scratched out...

83-2 (Fox 8)
84-3 (43)
84-10 ABC 5)
85-1 (CBS 19)
85-3 (NBC 3)
Music Choice 80-21 to 40 & 93-nn

The Techs at TWC also took the liberties to cut her incoming Dish cables installed by the previous owner rendering them useless.... smart business sense I guess! :).

At 10 miles, most decent indoor antennas should get you most of those stations. Judging from the headings in your list, it sounds like you are somewhere northeast of Parma. Do you have a clear line of sight in that direction? It would really help if you had a window in that direction that you could place the antenna at. I use a Philips indoor antenna to pull in a couple of Youngstown stations from North Canton - a little over 40 miles, I think. It does have a built-in amplifier. If you do get an antenna with an amplifier, try it with the amplifier off first (there is typically a switch that will turn the amplifier on or off). You are so close that the amplifier may hinder your reception.

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Is that the Phillips MANT310 410 or 510?

I'm currently using the 410, the amp for the UHF is actually weaker than the VHF, I can't really pick up any of the DT's with it regularly & snow on analog with the exception of 8 & 19 Analog which are close to near perfect.... too bad I'll lose 19 completely after the change over.

I'm 28 miles from the farm, I believe.

Iccicle 22-
FYI-D* does have STO in HD. Of course this is available only when you get outfitted with their new 5 lnb setup with either an H20 or HR20 rec'vr. As far as the quality, I receive digital locals both ways (OTA and D*supplied) and cannot truly tell the difference. My display may be a bit dated (Sony 51" Rear proj. CRT) but I'm pleased with the results.

Iccicle 22-
FYI-D* does have STO in HD. Of course this is available only when you get outfitted with their new 5 lnb setup with either an H20 or HR20 rec'vr. As far as the quality, I receive digital locals both ways (OTA and D*supplied) and cannot truly tell the difference. My display may be a bit dated (Sony 51" Rear proj. CRT) but I'm pleased with the results.

That still depends on where you live. There are certain areas that cable broadcast STO in that D* does not. In the immediate Cleveland area everyone gets it. As you move farther away it depends.......

Is that the Phillips MANT310 410 or 510?

I'm currently using the 410, the amp for the UHF is actually weaker than the VHF, I can't really pick up any of the DT's with it regularly & snow on analog with the exception of 8 & 19 Analog which are close to near perfect.... too bad I'll lose 19 completely after the change over.

I'm 28 miles from the farm, I believe.Why do you say you'll lose 19 after the change over? Is it because you presume they will revert to 19 for their digital signal?

19 wants to say on rf 10 after the changover (despite the interference they will coutinue to get from CFPL-TV which, I presume, will still be on the air in analog long after the U.S. ends the transition).

If your answer is "yes" to the above questions, you must be the only one who actually has no problems with the current WOIO-DT signal (outside of us 'tenna farmers :D )

Why do you say you'll lose 19 after the change over? Is it because you presume they will revert to 19 for their digital signal?

19 wants to say on rf 10 after the changover (despite the interference they will coutinue to get from CFPL-TV which, I presume, will still be on the air in analog long after the U.S. ends the transition).

If your answer is "yes" to the above questions, you must be the only one who actually has no problems with the current WOIO-DT signal (outside of us 'tenna farmers :D )

No exactly the opposite, I'm in the RF hole in Lake County, my strongest signals are currently Analog 8 & 19. Now with the Amplified MANT410 I cannot hold any digital signal even on the 2nd floor, my roof is sufficent except for Digital 10, & all the analogs which will eventually go by the wayside.

I have not purchased a DTV yet, but borrowed one for testing purposes.

What you need to do is call D* and simply ask them. If it's available in your area, they will let you know. D* did not agree to cover all the areas that cable covers so that would be your only source.

As far as quality of HD on D*, I hear the main problem was with locals and I think that has been resolved.

D*... does that mean dish?

D*... does that mean dish?

D*=Direct TV E*=Dish. :)

E* is used for Dish Network because the parent company that owns Dish Network is "Echostar", hence "E*". The D* is used for DirecTv. The shorthand originated at the DBS discussion boards. There used to be others, "A*" Alphastar and "P*" Primestar.

E* is used for Dish Network because the parent company that owns Dish Network is "Echostar", hence "E*". The D* is used for DirecTv. The shorthand originated at the DBS discussion boards. There used to be others, "A*" Alphastar and "P*" Primestar.

The things you learn here! Also if I recall correctly there was a time either here or at the TiVo Community Forum where something was going on and we were not suppose to mention Direct TV. Now why that was or is, I have no idea but I could have sworn I remember reading something like that. It may have not been true.

This may be a little off topic for this group...but I'm curious if anyone in the Akron/Canton area who was able to receive WTOV-DT (ch 57) in Steubenville is now suddenly unable to do so? I have always been able to receive them well but suddenly lost them about a week ago. There is a low level signal there but too low to lock. I've been exchanging emails with their engineer and he is puzzled also as he knows of nothing they have done at the station that would cause this. My reception from other areas seems to be the same so I don't think I'm having any kind of equipment malfunction. The poor reception is the same on two different receivers I'm using. Anyone else notice this or have any ideas as to why a station I've received well for the last two years would suddenly become unreceivable?

so can anyone recommend me a specific uhf/vhf antenna..... i.e brand and model #?

still cant get any channels with the included antenna...i get:

5-1 WEWS-DT
8-1 WJWDT
17-1 WDLI DIGITAL CH17-1
17-2 Church Channel
17-3 JCTV
17-4 Enlace
17-5 Smile of a Child
43-1 WUAB-DT
43-2 WUAB-DT The Tube
61-1 WQHS DT

all the 17 channels theres no signal...cant even see them listed on titantv. for abc, fox, wuab, the tube, and univision i only get around 60% signal strength.

i need an antenna that will get me WOIODT (19.1) CBS and WKBNDT1 (27.1) CBS. gonna stop by radioshack today so id like to know what i should look for. will any uhf/vhf amplified indoor antenna do the trick? dont wanna spend 20-30 bucks and find out it doesnt work.

my zip is 44120.....im less than 10 miles from all the major networks

I have a pretty funny story involving a D* salesman that came to my door last night. (Boy, did this guy come to the wrong door! :D )……

6pm doorbell rings. It went something like this:

D*- Hello sir, I am with D* and I was wondering which current provider you have?
Me- Well, I previously had D*, however I cancelled them and went with E*.
D*- Why?
Me- More HD channels (among other things).
D*- I think E* deceived you because “D* is the leader in HD!”
Me- Now, that my friend is deceiving!
D*- How many HD channels do you get?
Me- Somewhere around 31.
D*- Wow, I didn’t even know there was 31 HD channels out there.
Me- Trust me. I am very informed about this subject and know what I'm talking about. (I could tell on his smug little face he didn’t believe me).
D*- Well, D* is expected to add over 100+ HD channels by next month.
Me- Wow, next month huh? Another reason I left D* is because they have been talking about adding additional HD channels for years with no significant results. I don’t believe your far fetched claim at all.
D*- Well do you have a DVR? How many?
Me- Yes. 1 that controls 2 TV’s.
D*- Well that DVR isn’t HD and it is impossible that it controls 2 TV’s. You need a box to access the DVR at every TV.
Me- Well, believe it or not it is true. And my DVR is actually the Vip622 and it is an HD DVR. (Again, the smug little bastard thought I was lying to him and had no idea of the existence or technology of this wonderful machine).
D*- How much is your monthly bill?
Me- I answered him.
D*- Sounds like you have a good deal sir. Have a nice day.
Me- Curse words under my breath. :eek:

With all biases aside, I just thought it would be helpful for us consumers to be aware of the hugely misinformed sales representatives out there who have absolutely no knowledge of their product or their competitors and will try to make false claims just to make a sale. As a former sales guy, I find this appalling. Buyer beware!

hehehehe... Why don't I ever get that lucky?! I would have had fun with that! You should have told him your DVR makes cappacinos too!

Hell, I've got the ViP622 hooked up to TWO HDTVs so I can access all my recordings in two places! Not to bash D* but it is sad that this kid blatantly told you that they are going to have over 100 HD channels by next month when their aren't even that many HD Channels available! He even said he didn't think there were 30 HD channels "out there". Does he think that 70 new HD networks will be available in the next 4 weeks?!?!?! Funny. There are just as many uneducated E* and cable company CSRs though.

The real question is "how long did it take the kid to cancel his D* for E*?"!

Thanks for the link but still, there is no direct answers as to wether STO is available in HD. I was hooping someone, anyone who has it, can verify that the Indians are broadcast in HD on D*.
D* definitely offers the Indians in HD on STO. It's broadcast on Ch. 95 & you'll need an MPEG 4 receiver and the big 5 feedhorn dish to receive it, but it is there. Presuming STO is available on D* in Massilon, you'll get it in HD. There was some controversy last year as D* offered STO to a lot smaller area than the Indians wanted & there were some issues on getting it activated early in the season. I had to call D* to get everything set right. I presume Massilon is w/i the area that will get STO, but that's a presumption on my part.

After reading the thread on the poor quality of HD over Satelite in general I am leaning away from it again.
It's not that bad. I have an HR20 & HD Tivo on the same TV & can't tell a dramatic difference at all between the OTA locals & the MPEG signal from D* (which may in part be a condemnation of NBC & CBS multicasting locally perhaps). I will say the HD "cable" channels likely aren't as crisp now as they once were & that's due to bandwidth constraints on the MPEG2 channels. At some point w/i the next year that should get changed, but I'm not sure I'd buy into D* presuming that today instead of waiting until it actually happens.

The other thing to consider is what kind of TV you have. If it's 720P, you likely won't notice any signal degradation. 1080i or 1080P and you're local cable MAY be better on the "cable" channels like HD Discovery, ESPN HD etc. at least for now.

D* definitely offers the Indians in HD on STO. It's broadcast on Ch. 95 & you'll need an MPEG 4 receiver and the big 5 feedhorn dish to receive it, but it is there. Presuming STO is available on D* in Massilon, you'll get it in HD. There was some controversy last year as D* offered STO to a lot smaller area than the Indians wanted & there were some issues on getting it activated early in the season. I had to call D* to get everything set right. I presume Massilon is w/i the area that will get STO, but that's a presumption on my part.



From Ohio Meida Watch:

Wednesday, March 21, 2007

More STO, And DirecTV


In our rush to put up the item on the new SportsTime Ohio show to be fronted by local sports personality Bruce Drennan, we didn't outline some of the other changes at the network which adopts "full-time" status on April 1.

Among them: three new shows.

Former WKYC and FSN Ohio staffer Andy Baskin's "Totally Tribe" will be on the STO schedule. As reported earlier, Baskin is producing the show from his own new production shingle, Over The Falls Productions.

Veteran local sports voice Al Pawlowski (Cleveland State Vikings radio play-by-play) joins up with former Indians player Brian Anderson for "The Tribe Report", and the network also announced a new show called "The High School Sports Insider".

Going beyond STO's press release, Akron Beacon Journal sportswriter George M. Thomas shares what seems to be a policy change for SportsTime Ohio in an article in Wednesday's newspaper.

STO chief Jim Liberatore tells Thomas that the network will start airing some minor league baseball broadcasts. They'll apparently start at the top, with the Indians' top minor league club, the AAA Buffalo Bisons, along with coverage of the AAA Columbus Clippers (an affiliate of the Washington Nationals these days, it would appear).

Future telecasts of the two immediately local minor league clubs - the double-A Akron Aeros and the single-A Lake County Captains - are also possible.

We call it a "policy change" because Liberatore downplayed the possibility of these kinds of games airing on the network when STO first started, saying the network would certainly cover the Indians' farm teams, but wasn't likely to air full games.

But you can only play repeats of "classic games", earlier live games and other shows so often for a 24/7 schedule, we guess.

Oh, and about DirecTV.

OMW stumbled upon this massive update (for 2007) of SportsTime Ohio's "411" about the satellite provider.

And the "update" is actually "no change". Again this year, the network will not be carried on DirecTV in outer areas of the Indians' TV territory. Quoting:

DirecTV has informed SportsTime Ohio that they will once again limit our coverage area. Nothing has changed since the 2006 baseball season, which had many Cleveland Indians baseball fans living without STO and our Cleveland Indians telecasts. DirecTV will only offer STO in the Cleveland, Columbus and Youngstown areas.

This means DirecTV viewers outside of Northeast Ohio or the Columbus area, but still considered in part of the Indians' territory by Major League Baseball, will again not get the team's games on STO. As in 2006, Dish Network will air STO to the entire Indians region, as will the cable systems that have signed up for the channel.

On the "411" page, STO says it's had "continuous discussions" about the stance over the past year...but apparently, with no fruit. It also helpfully gives links to Dish Network, and participating STO cable affiliates in the affected areas.

Given this voluminous page, it appears unlikely that DirecTV subscribers outside of Northeast Ohio will get STO again in 2007...nor will customers who sign up for out-of-market regional sports network packages to get companion sports programming.

And like last year, DirecTV customers in those affected areas will also be blacked out of Indians games on Major League Baseball's "Extra Innings" package...

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/

so can anyone recommend me a specific uhf/vhf antenna..... i.e brand and model #?

still cant get any channels with the included antenna...i get:

5-1 WEWS-DT
8-1 WJWDT
17-1 WDLI DIGITAL CH17-1
17-2 Church Channel
17-3 JCTV
17-4 Enlace
17-5 Smile of a Child
43-1 WUAB-DT
43-2 WUAB-DT The Tube
61-1 WQHS DT

all the 17 channels theres no signal...cant even see them listed on titantv. for abc, fox, wuab, the tube, and univision i only get around 60% signal strength.

i need an antenna that will get me WOIODT (19.1) CBS and WKBNDT1 (27.1) CBS. gonna stop by radioshack today so id like to know what i should look for. will any uhf/vhf amplified indoor antenna do the trick? dont wanna spend 20-30 bucks and find out it doesnt work.

my zip is 44120.....im less than 10 miles from all the major networks

I have the Phillips MANT-510-Rabbit ears with a square UHF Amplified antenna in the middle. I am in Southwest Canton and get these channels fairly regualrly:

17 analog, 17-1 Through 17-5 WDLI Canton

23 WVPX Akron (digital not transmitting)

27-1 and 2 WKBN, WYFX Youngstown (27 analog is iffy)

45 analog, 45-1 through 45.3 WNEO Alliance

49 Analog 49-1 through 49.3 WEAO Akron

67 analog, 67.1 WOAC Canton

Low Power 52, Channels 19, 43, 55 and 61 have snowy pictures depending on where the antenna is angled

I sometimes get 21 analog and 21-1 and 2 depending on time of day and antenna placement..

I get "signals" but no Picture on 33 Youngstown and 44 Cambridge

Almost never anything on VHF except for occassional black screens on 2, 7, 8 and 9..

In spite of everything, I am getting what I should probably get considering I am 60 Miles south of Cleveland..The antenna works good for what it is..You should do much better being closer to the stations.. I got this antenna for around 30 bucks at Wal-Mart.good luck..

ugh! this is frustrating......

so i stopped by radioshack since its up the road and looked at their antennas. they only had radioshack brand and there was one that was amplified uhf/vhf but it was over 30 bucks. i decided to buy the cheapest uhf/vhf antenna for 10.99. it is model 15-1874 and says it should receive all local channels in metropolitan areas. find out it works the same as my hauppauge's included antenna so i just wasted 11 bucks. actually...it works worse. i got 10 channels last night with that while doin an auto-scan i only receive 5 channels (5-1, 8-1, 43-1, 43-2, 61-1).

the signal strength is still only 50-70% with the radioshack antenna and theres heavy pixelation sometimes. that could just be my CPU not able to handle it...content is scaled down on hd but it looks good. maybe i have too much electronic stuff around the tuner/antenna? could be interferin with the frequencies who knows.

does anyone in here receive cbs woio-dt????

i dont understand this....im so close to the towers. does it hurt if you live in a high density area with lots of buildings around? i would think livin in the city would be better for this kinda stuff

think im gonna have to go get the philips MANT510, do they sell those at compusa? i dont live near a wal-mart and dont support that place anyhow.

looks like i wont be able to watch the tarheels in hd tonight :(

A lot of the Phillips product is also at Circuit City..The MANT 510 is currently 39.99..A little high but it is amplified and it should work better for you. Cheaper Non amplified is not going to work as well..You should be able to take the one you got back..

From looking at CompUSA's website, it appears they do not sell TV antennas

ugh! this is frustrating......

does anyone in here receive cbs woio-dt????
:(

I do. But I subscribe to cable. :)

You may have noticed new ATT "reinventing television" billboards around town... This just in -

Upcoming U-verse rollout dates, from Uverseusers.com:

Los Angeles May 1
Detroit May 21
San Diego June 4
Cleveland June 18
Oklahoma City Aug 6
Sacramento Aug 20
St. Louis Nov 5
Austin Nov 19
Columbus Dec 24

I picked up that MANT510 the other night to replace an aging RS amplified antenna that A) isn't being sold anymore and B) had one of the VHF elements accidentally broken off halfway down.

It works pretty good - at least equivalent to the ol' RS one, which was one of their better ones (1880, I think).

I get everything I got before, and found a way to contort the antenna to get WOIO-DT on pretty much a full lock. I still haven't figured the position for WKYC-DT, and am not expecting to get that regularly due to issues already posted here a million times.

BTW, I don't believe Massillon Cable picks up the SportsTime Ohio HD feed. I know they didn't last year...just the analog feed.

You may have noticed new ATT "reinventing television" billboards around town... This just in -

Upcoming U-verse rollout dates, from Uverseusers.com:

Los Angeles May 1
Detroit May 21
San Diego June 4
Cleveland June 18
Oklahoma City Aug 6
Sacramento Aug 20
St. Louis Nov 5
Austin Nov 19
Columbus Dec 24

And I might just be interested in that but I live in Windstream territory, so no AT&T for me. I still don't understand this territory stuff, I thought they had deregulated this for competition.

From the TiVo boards it seems like the TiVo S3 works well with FIOS but they do not support it.

I'm not surprised about that date. The AT&T boxes have been popping up all over for the past few months...we even have one at the end of my street now.

And I might just be interested in that but I live in Windstream territory, so no AT&T for me. I still don't understand this territory stuff, I thought they had deregulated this for competition.

From the TiVo boards it seems like the TiVo S3 works well with FIOS but they do not support it.The "competition" in the telco industry was aimed at the old Bell System. Windstream et. al. areas were never in the "Bell System" to begin with, so the competition rules for those areas are drasticaly different. For example I, as a resident in an old Bell System exchange, has the option of choosing a different local telco (not just a different long distance carrier). The "new" at&t still has to maintain the lines, but my bill comes from Sage Telecom. It's sort of like the gas & electric alt. providers, except I don't get a bill from at&t (unlike the gas & electric companies who bill for the alt. supplier).

I would not put it past Windsteream to someday get into FIOS, after all they are reselling Dish Network just like at&t does today. A telco reselling satellite is a stepping stone into FIOS. They can test the video services waters by reselling satellite before making a major comittment (read: investment) into FIOS.

My 8300 for the past 2 - 3 weeks has been unable to get VOD. I get an error code CL-16. The tech came out today and told me that every 8300 from Ashtabula to Cleveland has this issue. He said be patient and they will get it fixed soon. Does anyone else with a 8300 having this same problem?

Also at 3:30 pm today they are starting to transition cable modems to the RR system he said.

Joey Sr

My 8300 for the past 2 - 3 weeks has been unable to get VOD. I get an error code CL-16. The tech came out today and told me that every 8300 from Ashtabula to Cleveland has this issue. He said be patient and they will get it fixed soon. Does anyone else with a 8300 having this same problem?

Also at 3:30 pm today they are starting to transition cable modems to the RR system he said.

Joey Sr


Earlier this afternoon we had an outage for a bit (old adelphia). I think they would need to let us know that they are converting to RR, unless for a while we continue to use our adelphia.net emails.

I wouldn't know about the VOD since I have a TiVo S3 and don't get that anyway.

Earlier this afternoon we had an outage for a bit (old adelphia). I think they would need to let us know that they are converting to RR, unless for a while we continue to use our adelphia.net emails.

When I talked to a TWC (old Adelphia in Cleveland suburbs) tech last week, he told me that the CL-16 Video on Demand error would probably recur for the next two weeks while they are "making changes." He also said that subscribers with adelphia.net email addresses would be converting, probably to Roadrunner.com email addresses, beginning at that time. We will get emails concerning the change. The current adelphia.net email addresses will remain active, he said, for a year after the changeover.

Another tech asked me if I owned my own cable modem. When I said yes, she told me that they would probably be replacing it with their own cable modem. However, since she gave me some inaccurate information about other things, I don't know if this is correct or not.

i got WOIO-HD tuned with the radioshack by movin it a bit.....its not perfect but good for now, memphis/osu game looks great. go tigers!

Thanks for the info pbarach. I've wondered about the modem thing as well. I guess we will find out soon enough.

... He also said that subscribers with adelphia.net email addresses would be converting, probably to Roadrunner.com email addresses, beginning at that time. We will get emails concerning the change. The current adelphia.net email addresses will remain active, he said, for a year after the changeover.
Actually, the yourname@roadrunner.com addresses have been aliased to the adelphia.net addresses since September. Try sending yourself an e-mail @roadrunner.com and it will come through your normal account seamlessly.

Can someone explain what AT&T U-verse is? From their obtuse website, it looks like it's a DSL internet service that also carries TV, including HDTV.

Has anyone heard about how much compression they have on HD channels/ Picture quality? Reliability? Whether the TV signal affects the speed of the internet connection?

Can someone explain what AT&T U-verse is? From their obtuse website, it looks like it's a DSL internet service that also carries TV, including HDTV.

Has anyone heard about how much compression they have on HD channels/ Picture quality? Reliability? Whether the TV signal affects the speed of the internet connection?

I'm probably going to get a few details wrong, but basically it's a VDSL connection over existing copper wire to your house running at about 25Mbps. 6Mbps is dedicated to internet, the rest for video. The "VRAD" beige boxes that have been popping up all over neighborhoods are fed with fiber so that the copper wire loops to your home are much shorter than they would normally be going back to the central office. There is also talk they could upgrade to VDSL2 technology over the same wire and/or do "pair bonding" - adding another pair of wire to your house - to get more bandwidth (like 50Mbps+)

www.uverseusers.com is the most active forum for U-Verse discussion right now. Users claim ATT's MPEG4 compression looks the same or better than their cable service. So far I've only seen TWC in San Antonio being compared, and I haven't seen a critical PQ review of the likes of the typical AVSForum HD enthusiast.

Currently you can only watch 1 HD stream at a time. ATT says by the end of 2007 watching more HD streams simultaneously will be possible. You can currently watch multiple SD streams. They launched with an impressive lineup of HD channels. I beleive they are pricing it less than cable competitors in the same market.

Their DVR sounds pretty cool, but alas, it is running a spanking new Microsoft IPTV operating system and there have been a lot of teething pains with it. You can record something like 4 programs at once, and I think they have multi-room DVR working, but not 100% sure on that.

When they launched in San Antonio, I beleive they offered 3 months of service for like $15 a month, no contracts or obligation. If they do that here, I might give it a try. I sure wouldn't want to pay full price to be a Microsoft IPTV beta tester. :D

That outage Saturday was indeed the switch to Roadrunner for us ex-Adelphia types.

I found out the hard way when I couldn't use my DNS redirect, and went to fix it...and an entirely new IP address showed up for my cable modem. It's in the 24.xxx.xxx.xxx range, where my old one was a 68.xxx.xxx.xxx one.

I used "LogMeIn", which can access my other PC from the laptop, and the resolution of the new IP address is at rr.com instead of adelphia.net.

I have no idea about the E-Mail. I have an adelphia.net address somewhere, but never, ever use it!

But during the switchover when it went away - for about 20 minutes or so - I called TWC's tech support. They were very helpful, but didn't have the simple answer I needed - "we're changing you over to Roadrunner, and it'll be back up soon". Odd that something that important was not communicated to them...

Can someone explain what AT&T U-verse is? From their obtuse website, it looks like it's a DSL internet service that also carries TV, including HDTV.

Has anyone heard about how much compression they have on HD channels/ Picture quality? Reliability? Whether the TV signal affects the speed of the internet connection?
Another thing to further bog my PC down... My dialup is slow enough, yet phone lines can also multitask TV signals?

D*=Direct TV E*=Dish. :)

E* is used for Dish Network because the parent company that owns Dish Network is "Echostar", hence "E*". The D* is used for DirecTv. The shorthand originated at the DBS discussion boards. There used to be others, "A*" Alphastar and "P*" Primestar.

TY all, I was thinking it was a company, proper name or something censored by the legal gods. :)

I'm probably going to get a few details wrong, but basically it's a VDSL connection over existing copper wire to your house running at about 25Mbps. 6Mbps is dedicated to internet, the rest for video.

Thanks for this detailed information. I live not far from you. While I've been quite happy with the Adelphia internet service, their HDTV cable leaves a lot to be desired, with not many HD channels available, poor PQ on some of the existing HD channels, terrible tech support, those miserable SA 8300HD boxes. I only have one HDTV set, so the ability to watch multiple HD streams isn't important to me. If the price is right, I may switch.

I don't know about the reliability of that Microsoft operating system you mentioned, but I wonder how it could possibly be any worse than the 8300HD that TWC rents to us (when they actually have any to rent).

Can someone explain what AT&T U-verse is? From their obtuse website, it looks like it's a DSL internet service that also carries TV, including HDTV.

Has anyone heard about how much compression they have on HD channels/ Picture quality? Reliability? Whether the TV signal affects the speed of the internet connection?
It's AT&T's answer to Verizon's FIOS (fiber to the house) system. Whether or not they are using the legacy twisted-pair for the last block or two is really dependant upon the quality of whats in the ground or overhead. I know that's what they'd like to do!

That outage Saturday was indeed the switch to Roadrunner for us ex-Adelphia types.

I found out the hard way when I couldn't use my DNS redirect, and went to fix it...and an entirely new IP address showed up for my cable modem. It's in the 24.xxx.xxx.xxx range, where my old one was a 68.xxx.xxx.xxx one.

I used "LogMeIn", which can access my other PC from the laptop, and the resolution of the new IP address is at rr.com instead of adelphia.net.

I have no idea about the E-Mail. I have an adelphia.net address somewhere, but never, ever use it!

But during the switchover when it went away - for about 20 minutes or so - I called TWC's tech support. They were very helpful, but didn't have the simple answer I needed - "we're changing you over to Roadrunner, and it'll be back up soon". Odd that something that important was not communicated to them...


Yep, I see the new IP address as well. I sent my wife an email name@roadrunner.com and she received it. Usually we use gmail so I'll try to send an Adelphia one. It still should work.

You would think that they would have sent the email out to us by now notifying us of the switch. I'll bet we see something either Monday or Tuesday.

I know we're getting of track here with this talk about the RoadRunner, but so many of us are old Adelphia customers. Here's something else I discovered: While you can get mail to name@roadrunner.com, you cannot use their regular mailing address which I believe is name@rr.com. It doesn't work. Or maybe we will all have to type out the roadrunner name.

Inundated pointed out that his IP showed @rr.com.

I know we're getting of track here with this talk about the RoadRunner, but so many of us are old Adelphia customers. Here's something else I discovered: While you can get mail to name@roadrunner.com, you cannot use their regular mailing address which I believe is name@rr.com. It doesn't work. Or maybe we will all have to type out the roadrunner name.

Inundated pointed out that his IP showed @rr.com.

I thought it was name@neo.rr.com...

Not 100% sure though.

I thought it was name@neo.rr.com...

Not 100% sure though.


I'll try that one too. Thanks.

I know we're getting of track here with this talk about the RoadRunner, but so many of us are old Adelphia customers. Here's something else I discovered: While you can get mail to name@roadrunner.com, you cannot use their regular mailing address which I believe is name@rr.com. It doesn't work. Or maybe we will all have to type out the roadrunner name.
I thought it was name@neo.rr.com.
It would make sense for T/W to use a unique domain name for the customers who are moving over from Adelphia. Otherwise, they would have to deal with all of the synonym names that would conflict. I'm sure that many, and perhaps most, of us are using "username"@adelphia.net where "username" is the same as a name that is already in use in the Roadrunner domain. So they either have to use a different email domain for us, or they have to force us all to select new email names (which would probably piss off a lot of people).

In any event, I've tested mine on the "roadrunner.com" domain, and it works correctly. I wish they could just maintain the Adelphia name, but I guess that won't work because not all of Adelphia came over to T/W - some went to Comcast.

With the recent STO discussion I thought I should pass this discussion thread on. It appears that STO has been added to the Sports Pack on D* and may be available to more people than it was before. I don't know if the Sports Pack is required to pick up STO in areas it wasn't availble before, but with people picking it up in SE Virginia it certainly doesn't sound like a spot beam to me.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=83231

It would make sense for T/W to use a unique domain name for the customers who are moving over from Adelphia. Otherwise, they would have to deal with all of the synonym names that would conflict. I'm sure that many, and perhaps most, of us are using "username"@adelphia.net where "username" is the same as a name that is already in use in the Roadrunner domain. So they either have to use a different email domain for us, or they have to force us all to select new email names (which would probably piss off a lot of people).

In any event, I've tested mine on the "roadrunner.com" domain, and it works correctly. I wish they could just maintain the Adelphia name, but I guess that won't work because not all of Adelphia came over to T/W - some went to Comcast.


I was thinking pretty much the same thing. I tried using the username@neo.rr.com and that doesn't work. And your logic as to why that wouldn't work makes perfect sense. So it looks like for us it will be username@roadrunner.com. I can live with that.

Ours have always been @neo.rr.com but there were serveral combos that worked(or used to). I don't know if this applies to anyone but last Monday, my email wouldn't download (kept asking for password).

I had to access the emails acct management from TW's website http://www.help.rr.com and 'reenable' the sub accts. before they would work again. They all got turned off for some reason.

Tom

I thought it was name@neo.rr.com...

Not 100% sure though.

Ours have always been @neo.rr.com but there were serveral combos that worked(or used to). I don't know if this applies to anyone but last Monday, my email wouldn't download (kept asking for password).

I had to access the emails acct management from TW's website http://www.help.rr.com and 'reenable' the sub accts. before they would work again. They all got turned off for some reason.

Tom

When I go to the page you listed it has a link for former Adelphia customers and basically says are emal address is the same excep it is @roadrunner.com, so I guess that pretty much solves that. It had a link on it to changer your password but it brought me back to the page I started.

So I guess we really don't have to do anything ourselves. I got a letter in the mail saying something about those who rented their modems from Adelphia and their would be more info on that later.

When I go to the page you listed it has a link for former Adelphia customers and basically says are emal address is the same excep it is @roadrunner.com, so I guess that pretty much solves that. It had a link on it to changer your password but it brought me back to the page I started.

I don't see that page, though I did see a Webmail login that sets you up for former Adelphia E-Mail.

I can't get it to work, though, as I never use my adelphia.net address and can't even remotely remember the password. ;)

If you go here (http://www.rr.com/flash/index.cfm?startView=DOWNLOAD) you should get to the main page for roadrunner. If you click the login tab it will come up with a "forgot password" and then ask a few questions and email your password to you. I saw a link that said "forgot password?" so I suppose that's how it will work.

Then you can dump all the Adelphia stuff. If you want you can access the RR security they provide for free (I use Zone Alarm for everything) but to each their own. Also they offer Road Runner Medic which can check your internet connection and even allow you to change your ip address if you feel so inclined.

I haven't checked out everything, it's similar to Adelphia's page but much nicer looking.

Then you can dump all the Adelphia stuff.

Any info about what settings to use for roadrunner.com mail servers and news servers?

I just signed up with TWC to get their HD services. I have the SA 8300 HD and my wife and I are already struggling over who is "King of the Remote". Does anyone know of a good source for either a duplicate AT8850 or a suitable replacement?
Thanks.

I just signed up with TWC to get their HD services. I have the SA 8300 HD and my wife and I are already struggling over who is "King of the Remote". Does anyone know of a good source for either a duplicate AT8850 or a suitable replacement?
Thanks.


As the flock leader in my house, I am king of the remote. If your mate has a problem with that and she desires to be flock leader, handle it like parrots and have a fight to the death. Whomever wins, is the new flock leader and therefore gets the remote.

Seriously, I'm assume your talking about a duplicate remote. I highly recommend the Harmony 680 or just about any of the other Harmony remotes. They will allow you to program everything, easily by setting it up on the internet.

I also recommend you drag the SA 8300 back to TW and get a TiVo S3. More expensive but the SA 8300 is nothing more then a glorified VCR. I had more problems with it then I'm going to recount here, suffice to say I went through 3 of them in 2 years time and was willing to shell out a grand for the S3. You can get them now for about 600 bucks.

Any info about what settings to use for roadrunner.com mail servers and news servers?

All that info is available at the link I posted. Search around a bit.

I changed my mail server to name.roadrunner.com on my Outlook Express but it is still delivering my Adelphia.net email.

Today I received an empty envelope from TWC labeled, "Important Information inside." When I called them, first I was told that I was being transferred to a new number, and then I got a tape that said they were too busy to transfer the call right now; then they hung up.

So: For those of you who got The Envelope with something inside, please let us Empty Envelope recipients in on the important secret!

I also recommend you drag the SA 8300 back to TW and get a TiVo S3. More expensive but the SA 8300 is nothing more then a glorified VCR. I had more problems with it then I'm going to recount here, suffice to say I went through 3 of them in 2 years time and was willing to shell out a grand for the S3. You can get them now for about 600 bucks.

In the interest of fairness Hookbill, I believe you retired your 8300 prior to the latest firmware release. Give him a chance to try it out with current f/w and come to a conclusion afterwards.

Today I received an empty envelope from TWC labeled, "Important Information inside." When I called them, first I was told that I was being transferred to a new number, and then I got a tape that said they were too busy to transfer the call right now; then they hung up.

So: For those of you who got The Envelope with something inside, please let us Empty Envelope recipients in on the important secret!

ROFLOL. I got it yesterday and there was a letter basically saying that TW will now be sending your bill instead of Adelphia. Most important thing I saw was that your billing date may change.

Also mentioned was the switch to Road Runner. The letter said that if you owned your modem there would be no problem. Those that rented their modems would be addressed "if necessary". I'm paraphrasing so don't hold me exactly to those words.

BTW, my wife receives the bill on line and said it's been coming from TW for the past few months.

In the interest of fairness Hookbill, I believe you retired your 8300 prior to the latest firmware release. Give him a chance to try it out with current f/w and come to a conclusion afterwards.

I got the upgrade to that for a few days back when they had the problem with FOX (Adelphia) and went back to the previous version.. It still was missing recordings with that update. I doubt if addressed that issue to this day.

I had the SA 8300 through many updates and not once did any of them resolve the issue of missing recordings and partial recordings. I don't feel I'm giving anyone bad advice by telling them that the S3 is a far better DVR then the SA 8300 no matter what it's running.

I will say this: Not everyone experienced the same problems I did. However some did, matter of fact one member in our area took my advice and is overjoyed that he got rid of the SA 8300 for the S3.

That's about as fair as I can get in regards to that machine.

ROFLOL. I got it yesterday and there was a letter basically saying that TW will now be sending your bill instead of Adelphia. Most important thing I saw was that your billing date may change.

Also mentioned was the switch to Road Runner. The letter said that if you owned your modem there would be no problem. Those that rented their modems would be addressed "if necessary". I'm paraphrasing so don't hold me exactly to those words.

BTW, my wife receives the bill on line and said it's been coming from TW for the past few months.

There was a second letter shortly after this one. It said that your account number will change, so be sure to notify any "bill-payer" services of the new number when you get your first bill.

I got the upgrade to that for a few days back when they had the problem with FOX (Adelphia) and went back to the previous version.. It still was missing recordings with that update. I doubt if addressed that issue to this day.

I had the SA 8300 through many updates and not once did any of them resolve the issue of missing recordings and partial recordings. I don't feel I'm giving anyone bad advice by telling them that the S3 is a far better DVR then the SA 8300 no matter what it's running.

I will say this: Not everyone experienced the same problems I did. However some did, matter of fact one member in our area took my advice and is overjoyed that he got rid of the SA 8300 for the S3.

That's about as fair as I can get in regards to that machine.

I have never had the kind of trouble with mine that you have had. However, even if it worked perfectly, the 8300 is a poor substitute for a Tivo. I went from a DirecTV HD-Tivo to the 8300 and was amazed at the lack of features and poor user friendliness. Anyone who has had a Tivo in the past and now has the 8300 can attest to what a piece of junk it is.

Has anyone heard any new news about when WBNX will go OTA? And what about WVIZ going full power? Last I heard, WBNX was scheduled for April, and WVIZ was sometime in the spring/summer. Is the FCC going to finally get tough on WBNX and get them up and running soon? I'm tired of waiting :confused: .

Has anyone heard any new news about when WBNX will go OTA? And what about WVIZ going full power? Last I heard, WBNX was scheduled for April, and WVIZ was sometime in the spring/summer. Is the FCC going to finally get tough on WBNX and get them up and running soon? I'm tired of waiting :confused: .

Originally WBNX was suppose to be available via cable in HD in November. That never happened. I haven't seen anything on WVIZ or any changes on WBNX. My suggestion: Don't hold your breath on either. :)

Has anyone heard any new news about when WBNX will go OTA? And what about WVIZ going full power? Last I heard, WBNX was scheduled for April, and WVIZ was sometime in the spring/summer. Is the FCC going to finally get tough on WBNX and get them up and running soon? I'm tired of waiting :confused: .

WVIZ has been telling us "next summer" since I joined AVS, about 5 years ago. :rolleyes:

What is with WKBN in Youngstown? I got a qam tuner and can't seem to find it on Comcast cable at all but CAN find 21 and 33 in HD. Not even a SD version of 27 however....not to mention FOX/62. Is this an oversight by Comcast? Is Comcast just encrypting both of these? Anyone know? Thanks.

Has anyone heard any new news about when WBNX will go OTA? And what about WVIZ going full power? Last I heard, WBNX was scheduled for April, and WVIZ was sometime in the spring/summer. Is the FCC going to finally get tough on WBNX and get them up and running soon? I'm tired of waiting :confused: .


Rumor is that Thomson (Thales) was in Parma on Tuesday installing a Paragon digital transmitter for WBNX... watch for testing.

I live in North Olmsted. I own a Mitsubishi TV model wd-52525.
I want to receive the local HD channels. I have purchased an indoor antenna from Radio Shack.
My questions are, how do I install the indoor antenna to receive local HD channels? What are the steps involved?
Also, how will I know I am receiving the local HD channels?

I live in North Olmsted. I own a Mitsubishi TV model wd-52525.
I want to receive the local HD channels. I have purchased an indoor antenna from Radio Shack.
My questions are, how do I install the indoor antenna to receive local HD channels? What are the steps involved?
Also, how will I know I am receiving the local HD channels?


A quick search on google shows that your television has an built in HD tuner. You should be all set to go, just hook up the antenna to the proper connection in the back. Follow the manual instructions which probably will run a set up to search for channels. You'll be able to see what channels are HD very easily for example FOX channel 8 will be 8.1 over the air on your television.

The hardest part for you may be setting up your indoor antenna to receive properly. There is help on the web at http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx.

Also upon reading some more about your set you will probably need to have it professionally calibrated so you can get the most out of your HDTV.

Rumor is that Thomson (Thales) was in Parma on Tuesday installing a Paragon digital transmitter for WBNX... watch for testing.

That's certainly good news. Now WVPX also needs to get on the ball here. I'm surprised that the FCC hasn't required them to be up and running yet, even if they just have a STA. I've seen most Ion affiliates multicast several channels, so I'm sure that they'll have something to watch.

I live in North Olmsted. I own a Mitsubishi TV model wd-52525.
I want to receive the local HD channels. I have purchased an indoor antenna from Radio Shack.
My questions are, how do I install the indoor antenna to receive local HD channels? What are the steps involved?
Also, how will I know I am receiving the local HD channels?
Do you have aluminum siding? If so the only way an indoor antenna will work is to place it by a window that faces the transmitters. I live 1 mile from the transmitters (the tower lights illuminate my neighborhood) I got lousy results with an indoor antenna until I aimed the antenna out a window.

I've got a grey screen on ESPN2 for the Cubs/Reds games via TW on both my HD box and TiVo S3. Anybody else having problems?

I've got a grey screen on ESPN2 for the Cubs/Reds games via TW on both my HD box and TiVo S3. Anybody else having problems?

ESPN2HD is fine via D*

I've got a grey screen on ESPN2 for the Cubs/Reds games via TW on both my HD box and TiVo S3. Anybody else having problems?

TWC could be incorrectly blacking you out since you're not in the Reds local market.

TWC could be incorrectly blacking you out since you're not in the Reds local market.

I talked to someone who works in head end at TW and she said it was blacked out. I told her then how come it's being shown on ESPN2 analog and she said don't know, she checked and the whole area was blacked out.

But I'm sure your right, some idiot at TW doesn't understand that Cincinnati is not Cleveland. :rolleyes:

ESPN2HD is fine via D*

Thanks, I figured as much. Real stupid.

Newbie (to HDTV programming) here, and I need some help please.
Is there a list somewhere of all the TW channels that are offered free via QAM? Also any listlings of the programs and what time they're on, which one's are in HD, etc..?
zip=44721

Thanks in advance for anyone kind enough.

Anybody else blacked out of yesterday's Cavs vs. Celtics game? It was blacked out on E* ch 425 FSN Ohio for me here in Parma. I called E*, after a long wait they told me that another FSN network (one not carried on E* - that FSN Digital cable network) bought the rights to the game and that the game was balcked out for a 100 mile radius of the Q.

I think someone made a big mistake. There is no excuse for this game tohave been blacked out. After all every home game, let alone road game, has been available somewhere on the local dial up till now.

If you did see the game, please list the provider (i.e cable or satellite co.) and your distance from the Q.

Thanks!

Newbie (to HDTV programming) here, and I need some help please.
Is there a list somewhere of all the TW channels that are offered free via QAM? Also any listlings of the programs and what time they're on, which one's are in HD, etc..?
zip=44721

Thanks in advance for anyone kind enough.

If you go to http://www.timewarnercable.com and enter your zip code, you end up at a webpage where you can click to get a PDF file showing their cable lineups and prices. The digital cable channels you get depend on which package you buy. Without a converter box or CableCard, you can only get through channel 99. To get the HD channels via cable, you pay extra for the HD tier and you have to pay a monthly fee for an HD converter box. If you also pay for a premium channel (which requires either a cable converter box or a CableCard) you do get the premium channel's corresponding HD channel (e.g., HBO-HD) at no additional cost.

To view program listings and see what's being broadcast in HD, without a cable box you are stuck with the slowly scrolling listings built-in to the TV, unless your TV set has the excellent TV Guide feature. With a cable box, there's an online guide built-in.

Online, I know of 3 different websites that have good listings that you customize according to your cable lineup:
http://www.titantv.com
http://www.meevee.com
http://www.tvguide.com.

They all work well (meevee.com doesn't work with Firefox, for me, tho).

BEWARE: Some of the HD channels you pay for don't actually broadcast in HD. For example, the ESPN and ESPN-2 channels are frequently not in widescreen (there are vertical pillars on each side of the picture). Much of what appears on the HD version of the local Cleveland channels is the same as the regular cable version (i.e., 4:3 picture). Even worse, TNT-HD is always widescreen, but much of its program material is actually NOT widescreen, but stretched horizontally (i.e., "sports-bar mode").

As a result, on my TWC (former Adelphia customer) the only HD channels that are always showing HD material are InHD, HDNet, HDMovies, and Discovery-HD, plus the HD version of a premium channel, if I pay for one.

Anybody else blacked out of yesterday's Cavs vs. Celtics game? It was blacked out on E* ch 425 FSN Ohio for me here in Parma. I called E*, after a long wait they told me that another FSN network (one not carried on E* - that FSN Digital cable network) bought the rights to the game and that the game was balcked out for a 100 mile radius of the Q.

I think someone made a big mistake. There is no excuse for this game tohave been blacked out. After all every home game, let alone road game, has been available somewhere on the local dial up till now.

If you did see the game, please list the provider (i.e cable or satellite co.) and your distance from the Q.

Thanks!

I watched it at my relatives house on just TWC analog. Worked fine. She lives in Cuy. Falls.

I don't get it. What is wrong with these cable/sat companies that they pull the switch at the wrong time. And if you try to convince them they are wrong, forget it!

I don't get it. What is wrong with these cable/sat companies that they pull the switch at the wrong time. And if you try to convince them they are wrong, forget it!

The satellite program providers can selectively black out areas by controlling the authorization status of the receivers. The 'guy with the switch' isn't always where you think he is. ;)

Newbie (to HDTV programming) here, and I need some help please.
Is there a list somewhere of all the TW channels that are offered free via QAM? Also any listlings of the programs and what time they're on, which one's are in HD, etc..?
zip=44721

Thanks in advance for anyone kind enough.
The results will be different in different T/W systems, and 44721 is quite far from me, so you may get different channels than I do. But on my system the clear QAMs include all the locals (both SD and HD), Discovery HD, TNT HD, and the HD "Bonus channel" that T/W uses for special features. There may be one or two others (like the pay per view previews and the weather subchannels, etc.)

I use TitanTV.com as a guide, or the CWEPG utility that has been developed for MyHD on this board.

I am switching from D* to TWC on Friday and I wanted to know how the quality of their picture is. I am a little bit nervous going from directv to cable. D* has been frustrating me lately, so I decided to switch to cable. Two things I do like is that there is no commitment on the cable, and I finally can get Howard on Demand! If anyone is in my area, please let me know how their picture quality is.

It'll be interesting to hear your impressions of HD provided by TWC. Your memory of D*'s picture will be fresh and I'm anxious to hear if there's much if any diff. Directv(in my view) should've made more effort to keep E & W networks in HD. This has caused a gigantic rift that hasn't settled yet(even though they're providing Cleveland HD). Choice will always be king.

Keep us posted.

Thx, Tom

I am switching from D* to TWC on Friday and I wanted to know how the quality of their picture is. I am a little bit nervous going from directv to cable. D* has been frustrating me lately, so I decided to switch to cable. Two things I do like is that there is no commitment on the cable, and I finally can get Howard on Demand! If anyone is in my area, please let me know how their picture quality is.

I am switching from D* to TWC on Friday and I wanted to know how the quality of their picture is. I am a little bit nervous going from directv to cable. D* has been frustrating me lately, so I decided to switch to cable. Two things I do like is that there is no commitment on the cable, and I finally can get Howard on Demand! If anyone is in my area, please let me know how their picture quality is.


Kind of like Tom my memory of how good the digital picture of D* was over TW has been clouded, but mostly because of the fact that I have HD and when I had D* I didn't. I can tell you that TW looks good on digital channels, fantastic in HD.

Now analog is another story. Many things come into play there. I feel that if you get the SA 8300 you will not be happy with the quality of analog channels while a TiVo S3 brings them in much, much better. However I have just a TW HD box upstairs in the bedroom and they don't look too bad on that box on that television.

Good luck, it took me a bit to get over D* but now I'm pretty much a happy camper with TW.

I am switching from D* to TWC on Friday and I wanted to know how the quality of their picture is. I am a little bit nervous going from directv to cable. D* has been frustrating me lately, so I decided to switch to cable. Two things I do like is that there is no commitment on the cable, and I finally can get Howard on Demand! If anyone is in my area, please let me know how their picture quality is.

I think the P/Q on TWC is quite good. The HD services are awesome as Hookbill said. And the quality is MUCH better that D* during a heavy rainstorm.
;)

TWC (northeast Ohio) offers no-extra-charge "on demand" viewing for subscribers who have cable boxes, as well as pay-per-use on-demand movies and sporting events. Many people have had trouble, they tell me, with their on demand system in the last few months because they are still "changing over" from Adelphia. Looking through the on-demand listings, the screen freezes and you eventually get a CL-16 error telling you to contact your cable operator at a fake 555 phone number.

They will be happy to arrange a needless service call where they will do nothing more than switch out your cable box for another one that will have the same errors. They may also tell you to come in and change your cable box. Neither solution will fix the problem, which they have admitted to me is in their system. No "fix" date has been set.

Unfortunately, TWC didn't admit that the problem was not in my cable box until after I had to visit two of their locations yesterday, at their request, to get a new 8300HD box that still gives the same CL-16 error message.

Unfortunately, TWC didn't admit that the problem was not in my cable box until after I had to visit two of their locations yesterday, at their request, to get a new 8300HD box that still gives the same CL-16 error message.


Excuse me while I get on the pedestal. :cool:

I know people seem to like On Demand but it's an absolute mystery why you need On Demand when you have a DVR. If you want to watch something have your DVR record it. Even when I had the SA 8300 I never used it, and the times I did fool around with it I found it to be a pia. Long waits on the menu changes, etc.

Now the SA 8300 as it stands IMHO is an unreliable POS which is why you might want On Demand because Lord only knows if it will actually record for you.

Which is why I recommend the TiVo S3. You don't get On Demand with the TiVo S3 but you do get quality, reliable recordings. Better analog recordings as you can choose the quality of your recordings. And it's THX Certified for HD. You can get one at either the TiVo Forum or at Costco and you can get it for about 600 bucks. I prefer Costco because of their lifetime warranty.

Hey, I don't work for TiVo but I just feel it's that much better. Really. If you want the best out of HD and DVR it's the way to go. Of course if your a new TW customer you probably will be tempted to take their DVR deal but you get what you pay for!

Stepping off of pedestal now. :)

Good to hear the S3 is working well. This gives D* lots of incentive to keep their dvrs up to snuff. When I first heard someone describe 'on demand', I said it sounded better than a dvr. If 'on demand' can offer all episodes, whenever there wouldn't be any need to record (but I'd miss setting up my Season Pass. ^_^ )

Geez Hook, it sounds like even if we cut all those trees down, we'd never get u over to D*...

cheers, Tom

Excuse me while I get on the pedestal. :cool:

I know people seem to like On Demand but it's an absolute mystery why you need On Demand when you have a DVR. If you want to watch something have your DVR record it. Even when I had the SA 8300 I never used it, and the times I did fool around with it I found it to be a pia. Long waits on the menu changes, etc.
Hey, I don't work for TiVo but I just feel it's that much better. Really. If you want the best out of HD and DVR it's the way to go. Of course if your a new TW customer you probably will be tempted to take their DVR deal but you get what you pay for!

Stepping off of pedestal now. :)

Don't forget Tom....Comcast boxes will be receiving the TiVo software this year, HD capable. It won't have all the bells and whistles of the S3 but it will be much better then what they have now.

That will put pressure on D* as well. :)

I think the P/Q on TWC is quite good. The HD services are awesome as Hookbill said. And the quality is MUCH better that D* during a heavy rainstorm.
;)
Last night when it was really windy it recorded Driving Force and Deadliest Catch, but I could not watch them because they were all tiley. After that I am convinced that I will like TWC. Now, is the picture about the same as D* for the SD channels? I remember how bad cable used to be, but I would hope after 8 years it has gotten better. Do I need to request the better box, or is it standard for HD DVR service?

Last night when it was really windy it recorded Driving Force and Deadliest Catch, but I could not watch them because they were all tiley. After that I am convinced that I will like TWC. Now, is the picture about the same as D* for the SD channels? I remember how bad cable used to be, but I would hope after 8 years it has gotten better. Do I need to request the better box, or is it standard for HD DVR service?

PQ for SD digital is compatable. However you have to understand that "digital cable" is not "all digital" Matter of fact the majority of cable stations you most likely would watch are in analog. After channel 100 they are digital.

I'm not trying to confuse you but I should mention that local channels, except for channel 7 are digital, and you can get them in analog as well. Plus locals that are available in HD have excellent pq.

Still TW offers ESPN, ESPN2, Discovery HD, TNT HD and INHD plus whatever premiums you order. If you don't want a DVR then get the standard HD box. IMHO it delivers better pq for analog then does the DVR.

Again I mention if you want a quality DVR purchase the TiVo S3. You won't get On Demand but you will get the best DVR for cable out there.

Do I need to request the better box, or is it standard for HD DVR service?

Make sure you get the SA8300HD. If they bring out an SA8000HD, send them back to get the 8300. The 8000 is an obsolete, slow, buggy POS.

Make sure you get the SA8300HD. If they bring out an SA8000HD, send them back to get the 8300. The 8000 is an obsolete, slow, buggy POS.

I don't think they give out the 8000 anymore. But either way they are both pos IMHO.

Get the TiVo S3. :) You'll never accept crap again.

Excuse me while I get on the pedestal. :cool:

I know people seem to like On Demand but it's an absolute mystery why you need On Demand when you have a DVR. If you want to watch something have your DVR record it. Even when I had the SA 8300 I never used it, and the times I did fool around with it I found it to be a pia. Long waits on the menu changes, etc.

Now the SA 8300 as it stands IMHO is an unreliable POS which is why you might want On Demand because Lord only knows if it will actually record for you.

Which is why I recommend the TiVo S3. You don't get On Demand with the TiVo S3 but you do get quality, reliable recordings. Better analog recordings as you can choose the quality of your recordings. And it's THX Certified for HD. You can get one at either the TiVo Forum or at Costco and you can get it for about 600 bucks. I prefer Costco because of their lifetime warranty.

Hey, I don't work for TiVo but I just feel it's that much better. Really. If you want the best out of HD and DVR it's the way to go. Of course if your a new TW customer you probably will be tempted to take their DVR deal but you get what you pay for!

Stepping off of pedestal now. :)

Hmmm... All I can say is your experience is different from mine. I don't doubt the best Tivo is better than the 8300HD, but mine has worked perfectly for over a year. Recordings are always on time and reliable and I can barely tell the difference in quality from recorded HD vs. live. I've also added a 400gig external drive with no problems.

I didn't check back too far, so I'm sorry if this is already known...

WEWS is Dolby Digital 5.1 tonight....

Hmmm... All I can say is your experience is different from mine. I don't doubt the best Tivo is better than the 8300HD, but mine has worked perfectly for over a year. Recordings are always on time and reliable and I can barely tell the difference in quality from recorded HD vs. live. I've also added a 400gig external drive with no problems.

I don't use the DVR features (but online threads here on AVS testify to the problems that others have had with the 8300HD's DVR featurss.

The cable box also has a frequently noted problem with its HDMI implementation, in that it reverts to 480i whenever its turns off, or, on some machines, whenever the display input has been changed to something other than the cable box's HDMI connection (such as watching a DVD).

I didn't check back too far, so I'm sorry if this is already known...

WEWS is Dolby Digital 5.1 tonight....

I'm getting WEWS-DT in DD 5.1 at about 9:30PM. I also noticed problems with the transmission before 9:30. It broke up a few times and video was lost for a minute or so. Signal was still strong - there must have been some equipment problem at the station. Maybe they are still figuring out the new encoder?

Well WOIO-DT, we are still waiting for you. They are now the only one of the Big 4 in the market that is not broadcasting DD 5.1 and not doing local news in HD.

I didn't check back too far, so I'm sorry if this is already known...

WEWS is Dolby Digital 5.1 tonight....

Excellent news! Thanks.

Wide Open West has added A&E HD to the lineup on channel 218. Unfortunately they are currently showing the Sopranos in 4:3 SD :(

WOW also started offering On Demand service on Channel 1 a couple weeks ago. I assume that was enabled when they recently pushed the SARA 1.89.22.1 software upgrade.

Gforaker,

What HD did you use to extent the capacity. I'd love to have a few extra GB. I'm in the same boat as you. The 8300 has worked for me with no problems since I received it. I do agree with Hookbill that some of the features leave a lot to be desired. But for basic daily recording - I'm happy!

Gforaker,

What HD did you use to extent the capacity. I'd love to have a few extra GB. I'm in the same boat as you. The 8300 has worked for me with no problems since I received it. I do agree that some of the features leave a lot to be desired. But for basic daily recording - I'm happy!

There is a quite long thread here -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=516559
The thread discusses SARA software (especially in the first part) and Passport software which is used by Time Warner in Akron Canton and I think also in Cleveland. Passport software did not support an external drive until summer or so of last year.

Recordings are always on time and reliable and I can barely tell the difference in quality from recorded HD vs. live.

HD is digital and is recorded exactly as it was originally broadcast. It should always look exactly like the "Live" broadcast unless you have a DVR/TIVO that is converting it to another format.

Analog channels need to be encoded to a digital format for storage, so they usually suffer the most. There is an obvious loss in quality here. However the HD channels should be bit for bit identical to the original HD broadcast.

Peace!

I've spotted WBNX-DT 30 on the air for the first time today!! The signal seems to be good, although fluctuating a bit here in Akron. I'll have to play around with my antenna, but chances are, they're probably testing right now.

Slightly OT - does anyone have experience with Wide Open West's HSI and VOIP phone service? I'm fed up with AT&T's annual DSL scam, and thinking of switching to WOW. Every year AT&T lets the $24.95/mo "promotional rate" expire without notice, and they make it extremely difficult for existing customers to renew at the promo rate again. The normal ripoff rate is $39/mo for "up to" 3Mbps, and in reality the old copper coming into my house does 2Mbps at best. Last year I spent over an hour on the phone talking to 4 or 5 different reps to renew at the reasonable rate. The required basic POTS service to go with the DSL w/voice mail and caller ID is now up to $67/mo after taxes!

I've spotted WBNX-DT 30 on the air for the first time today!! The signal seems to be good, although fluctuating a bit here in Akron. I'll have to play around with my antenna, but chances are, they're probably testing right now.
Why doesn't WVIZ just raid the WBNX site and take their antenna? I'd watch WVIZ more than WBNX anyway. :)

Slightly OT - does anyone have experience with Wide Open West's HSI and VOIP phone service? I'm fed up with AT&T's annual DSL scam, and thinking of switching to WOW. Every year AT&T lets the $24.95/mo "promotional rate" expire without notice, and they make it extremely difficult for existing customers to renew at the promo rate again. The normal ripoff rate is $39/mo for "up to" 3Mbps, and in reality the old copper coming into my house does 2Mbps at best. Last year I spent over an hour on the phone talking to 4 or 5 different reps to renew at the reasonable rate. The required basic POTS service to go with the DSL w/voice mail and caller ID is now up to $67/mo after taxes!

Paul, can I put in a pitch for Vonage? I've had them for over a year now, excellent VOIP and I believe you will get more features for the money. You can purcahse a 500 call package for 14.95 or unlimited for 24.95. I use the 500 call package, incoming calls are free, 800 numbers are free so it works great for me.
Features include call waiting, call forwarding, caller ID and if your internet goes out you can program it to ring to your cell.

Inundated also uses Vonage. If he see's this I'm sure he will give you a thumbs up too. Also they do have e911 actvated in the area. And you can probably keep your same number.

As far as WOW that I don't know about but it's been my experience that cable is better for HSI then telephone broadband.

Slightly OT - does anyone have experience with Wide Open West's HSI and VOIP phone service?

Personally I would tell you to go with a different VoIP provider if people agree that WOW provides reliable HSI. Vonage, AT&T, Packet8, or Sunrocket would probably work out to be a cheaper and as reliable (if not more reliable) VoIP option than WOW.

I am indeed a happy Vonage customer. I don't use it a LOT, but I can't remember even the last glitch I had...maybe 2 years ago!

My only concern is Vonage's on-going status re: the Verizon patent lawsuit and its financial status. As long as they hang in there, so will I.

Oh, and I haven't been able to check, but I hear WBNX-DT may finally be up!

I am indeed a happy Vonage customer. I don't use it a LOT, but I can't remember even the last glitch I had...maybe 2 years ago!

My only concern is Vonage's on-going status re: the Verizon patent lawsuit and its financial status. As long as they hang in there, so will I.

Oh, and I haven't been able to check, but I hear WBNX-DT may finally be up!

Yes, WBNX-DT is indeed up and running as of the moment I write this. They seem to have a highly fluctuating signal here in Akron, and I'm assuming that this is because they're testing. Sometimes the signal is very high, but other times it doesn't even pass the threshold for me to get a picture. I'm sure that this will all be worked out eventually.

Oh, and I haven't been able to check, but I hear WBNX-DT may finally be up!

If true, that would be the best news I've heard on this forum for a while. Can't wait to see if I can watch Smallville tonight in HD. Been a long time coming. Thank you WBNX.

PQ for SD digital is compatable. However you have to understand that "digital cable" is not "all digital" Matter of fact the majority of cable stations you most likely would watch are in analog. After channel 100 they are digital.

I'm not trying to confuse you but I should mention that local channels, except for channel 7 are digital, and you can get them in analog as well. Plus locals that are available in HD have excellent pq....
Kosar1985: SD picture quality can vary widely depending upon the interface used and up/down conversion and the particular TV being used. I experimented with the different conversions/video resolutions available out of my 8300 and found that I got the best consistant quality when I "locked" the output of the 8300 to 720P, which is the native resolution of my Panasonic RP-LCD. Evidently the 8300 does a better job of SD up-conversion than the set. I have to say that all the SD channels (that I watch) on TWC (formerly Adelphia in Solon) are outstanding and I often enlarge them to fill the screen without severe tiling effects. Probably the worst in this regard, but not really bad, is Sci-Fi. But don't be afraid to experiment with different settings....

Slightly OT - does anyone have experience with Wide Open West's HSI and VOIP phone service? I'm fed up with AT&T's annual DSL scam, and thinking of switching to WOW. Every year AT&T lets the $24.95/mo "promotional rate" expire without notice, and they make it extremely difficult for existing customers to renew at the promo rate again. The normal ripoff rate is $39/mo for "up to" 3Mbps, and in reality the old copper coming into my house does 2Mbps at best. Last year I spent over an hour on the phone talking to 4 or 5 different reps to renew at the reasonable rate. The required basic POTS service to go with the DSL w/voice mail and caller ID is now up to $67/mo after taxes!

I'm a Vonage "500" user as of Wednesday. Maybe it's coincidental, but I have one computer in the house that gets disconnected from the internet once or twice a day since install. I'm using my existing Linksys router and other than adding the Vonage interface nothing has changed, but too soon to tell if it's related. The calls that were made on Vonage were great.

My only concern is Vonage's on-going status re: the Verizon patent lawsuit and its financial status.

That was my concern re Vonage... I really have no use for a land line anymore. What I really need is a service that would port my existing home phone number into cyberspace and forward calls to my Verizon cell phone... Not sure if such an animal exists.

Well, check this option out: AT&T Softphone (http://www.usa.att.com/callvantage/softphone/index.jsp). This service still includes the "Locate Me" feature which can forward calls to your cellphone along with allowing you to make calls from "Cyberspace." Vonage has a softphone service, but it looks like you need to have a regular Vonage account to add the service to.

That was my concern re Vonage... I really have no use for a land line anymore. What I really need is a service that would port my existing home phone number into cyberspace and forward calls to my Verizon cell phone... Not sure if such an animal exists.

You certainly can do that with Vonage. I wasn't aware of any law suits going on, this is news to me. I'm not concerned about it as these things work themselves out or go on for eternity. Look at the TiVo/Echostar suite. :)

You certainly can do that with Vonage.

Yeah, but then he ends up with equipment/cost/features he doesn't need for the service he's looking for.

Yeah, but then he ends up with equipment/cost/features he doesn't need for the service he's looking for.

Maybe I don't understand. You simply have to forward your phone to your cell. I imagine your speaking about softphone, and I'm not knowledgeable about that. Is that what your referring to?

I don't know if everyone is aware or not but MLB and In Demand came to an agreement to broadcast Extra Innings on cable. It's a 7 year deal and includes the baseball channel.

This is the free week and games are available today. :) E*, as usual is dragging their behinds, still no agreement with them.

Maybe I don't understand. You simply have to forward your phone to your cell. I imagine your speaking about softphone, and I'm not knowledgeable about that. Is that what your referring to?

Yes I am referring to the softphone I mentioned in my earlier post.

Yeah, but then he ends up with equipment/cost/features he doesn't need for the service he's looking for.

I think hookbill might've sold me on Vonage. For $4 more a month with Vonage, I can keep my physical phones in the house, and get 200 more minutes a month (not that I'd use them). The Vonage package I would get is $14.99/mo, whereas ATT SoftPhone is $10.99/mo. I also like the idea of getting away from ATT, and who knows what kind of taxes they will tack on to the bill. Vonage clearly spells out all the taxes on their website, and the total is $19.16/mo.


WOW's VOIP package works out to about $25/mo no voice mail and about $35/mo with voice mail. Can't really tell the true price though because it's bundled with the HSI and the Digital Cable.

Anyway, back to the subject of TV, anybody notice STO channel 657 on D* flaking out during the Tribe game today? The screen was blanking out every other second.

I think it's only fair to warn you about one thing in dealing with Vonage. If you do experience a problem their customer service is horrible. However, the Vonage Forum (http://www.vonage-forum.com/forums.html) is extremely helpful with some real knowledgeable people in it.

I personally have not had a problem but I've monitored that forum and I see people who do. They get a good deal of help when they have a problem, provided they don't come in and say "Vonage is a piece of sh*t."

Not trying to discourage you, just want you to have the facts upfront.

I don't think anybody has good customer service. You're best off calling when you actually know the cause of the problem and you know what they need to do to fix it.

Has anyone else been having difficulty receiving WBNX-DT over-the-air? Their signal fluctuates up and down way too much. I'm wondering why this is happening.

Andrew, I'm not far from you and watching it with a solid signal this evening...no fluctuations. You're down in the Valley, right?

Assumig that whatever CW show is on now is in HD, WBNX isn't passing HD yet. Just 1080i upconverted.

I assume this is on their list - it's still very early in testing, and the program guide info now says "Winston Broadcasting, Event 21", etc.!

WBNX-DT does seem to be suffering from occasional video dropouts, which is the only way I can describe it. But it doesn't appear related to the signal on this end...which seems as strong as all the other locals in the Parma farm.

Andrew, I'm not far from you and watching it with a solid signal this evening...no fluctuations. You're down in the Valley, right?

Assumig that whatever CW show is on now is in HD, WBNX isn't passing HD yet. Just 1080i upconverted.

I assume this is on their list - it's still very early in testing, and the program guide info now says "Winston Broadcasting, Event 21", etc.!

I'm not in the valley, but I'm not really at the top of the valley either. While I was watching a program on WBNX-DT, the signal would be in the excellent range, and then it would go down to very poor (which isn't viewable). It would keep fluctuating like this at different intervals of time no matter where I seemed to place the antenna. So, I moved my antenna into another room, and this problem has stopped for the most part but not completely. I couldn't really figure out why I would be having problems with a signal that's the most powerful one in Cleveland at 1000kw and 334m. After all, I get excellent signals from 5, 8, 43, and 61, which are all UHF at a lower power. That is why I figured that they were having testing problems. I also wanted to say that I saw some HD content for about 1/2 hour from 8-8:30 pm, but it stopped after that.

im receivin WBNX-DT now....its in dolby digital 5.1 too. signal seems to be fine

I've spotted WBNX-DT 30 on the air for the first time today!! The signal seems to be good, although fluctuating a bit here in Akron. I'll have to play around with my antenna, but chances are, they're probably testing right now.

I'm getting a signal in the mid 80s on my Dish 622 DVR here in Salem; however, the picture is not stable. Associated equipment: CM 4228 antenna on a 55 foot tower (my location is 1250 feet above sea level), antenna rotor, CM 7777 preamp and a 10 dB attenuator between the 7777 power supply and the 622. I use the attenuator because I'm three miles from WNEO's transmitter.

Well, I got screwed by TWC today. They came here today and told me they did not have any HD DVR, HD recievers, or just regular DVR. I told them to just go then. I am not to happy with TWC right now.

Well, I got screwed by TWC today. They came here today and told me they did not have any HD DVR, HD recievers, or just regular DVR. I told them to just go then. I am not to happy with TWC right now.

What kind of bs is that? Of course they have them, the idiot on the truck just didn't bring anything with them.

Call them back, tell them what happened and demand a credit for your time.

You DID tell them you wanted an HD DVR did you not? If you just called for an install then you screwed yourself.

Well, I got screwed by TWC today. They came here today and told me they did not have any HD DVR, HD recievers, or just regular DVR. I told them to just go then. I am not to happy with TWC right now.

They "did" me earlier in the week. They told me that I needed to exchange my 8300HD box in order to correct the problems I've been having with On Demand service. They asked me to set up a service call. So I asked, "Is the service person going to do anything else here except exchange my converter?" When they said no, I told them it would be easier for me to pick one up. I then asked if they had any 8300HD boxes at the Lakeside office; the rep checked and said they did, and they would set one aside with my name on it.

....which they didn't do. Lakeside had none. So I had to go to the Cleveland Heights office, where they did have one.

When I got it home, the On Demand error was still happening, so I called TWC again. This time, they told me the problem was system-wide and they were working on it. In other words, they nearly wasted my time and a technician's with a needless home visit, and they definitely wasted 90 minutes of my time to exchange a cable box that wasn't the source of the problem.

What kind of bs is that? Of course they have them, the idiot on the truck just didn't bring anything with them.

Call them back, tell them what happened and demand a credit for your time.

You DID tell them you wanted an HD DVR did you not? If you just called for an install then you screwed yourself.

I definitely told them I wanted the HD DVR. At first they told me there was a waiting period, then I got placed on hold for twenty minutes. And of course the phone got disconnected. I called back and got a different person and he told me they are available and set up an appointment for today. I called and complain and all I got was a twenty dollar credit on my bill. I told the lady I had a bad feeling about cable already and this did nothing but add to it. So now I am still with D*. I like D*, but I wanted to try something different. I do not know if I will try TWC again.

Find one of the Time Warner locations and just pick up a box, I found that to be SO much easier!

No signal for WBNX-DT here in Canton at all..Indoor Phillips Mant-510. Is their Transmitter more in Cleveland than Akron?..Also, WOAC-DT 67-1 seems much more stable in the last day or two.

No signal for WBNX-DT here in Canton at all..Indoor Phillips Mant-510. Is their Transmitter more in Cleveland than Akron?..Also, WOAC-DT 67-1 seems much more stable in the last day or two.

WOAC's transmitter is right down the road from me, there is usually cars at the site. I dont know what they have planned for the future...

Is the CW channel 30-1? If it is I'm getting nothing - not even a blip. It's not showing up in the HD Tivo D* guide either. Maybe they haven't gone full power yet.

Hello,

Could someone with Time Warner cable service please let me know what the make/model is of the current HD STB (not the DVR). I have an installation scheduled next week and want to know whether I should be prepared with component cables or HDMI/DVI.

They are also going to attempt to setup my S3 with a couple of Cable Cards. Hopefully some of the earlier setup bugs that I've read about have been resolved.

Thanks!

Hello,

Could someone with Time Warner cable service please let me know what the make/model is of the current HD STB (not the DVR). I have an installation scheduled next week and want to know whether I should be prepared with component cables or HDMI/DVI.

They are also going to attempt to setup my S3 with a couple of Cable Cards. Hopefully some of the earlier setup bugs that I've read about have been resolved.

Thanks!

I don't know how "current" it is but I have a Scientific Atlanta 3250 HD STB.
It works better then the SA 8300. It doesn't record anything but then neither did the SA 8300. :D :D :D

Gawd, I hated that machine.

I don't know how "current" it is but I have a Scientific Atlanta 3250 HD STB.
It works better then the SA 8300. It doesn't record anything but then neither did the SA 8300. :D :D :D

Gawd, I hated that machine.

Thanks HookBill! Looks like component cables should do the trick.

Is the CW channel 30-1? If it is I'm getting nothing - not even a blip. It's not showing up in the HD Tivo D* guide either. Maybe they haven't gone full power yet.

I was receiving WBNX-DT last night without issue. Today it isn't showing up at all. I'd bet they are just not broadcasting right now. Perhaps they will light up the signal again this evening.

I don't know how "current" it is but I have a Scientific Atlanta 3250 HD STB.

I concur with Hookbill; the 3250HD is the current non-DVR model. It has analog component YPbPr outputs as well as DVI.

Hi,
were u manually punching in 30-1 or is it showing in your guide?

I'll check again tonight for a signal(nothing right now at 7:51pm).

It's great to hear WBNX-DT is working on going live. When they do we'll be here and we'll be watching!

And when the signal is perfect (or not) you'll be sure to hear from us... ^_^



I was receiving WBNX-DT last night without issue. Today it isn't showing up at all. I'd bet they are just not broadcasting right now. Perhaps they will light up the signal again this evening.

I was receiving WBNX-DT last night without issue. Today it isn't showing up at all. I'd bet they are just not broadcasting right now. Perhaps they will light up the signal again this evening.

Yes, this is true. The first day that I saw them OTA, they had the test pattern on for a few hours, and I figured that this was just testing. I also saw that the picture contained a lot of pixelation and many drop-outs in the signal. I'm sure that they'll be on soon, and these problems will be taken care of.

I'm also wondering if they'll have a subchannel, which was discussed previously in this forum.

I was looking forward to seeing the highlights of today's snow fiasco at the Jake in HD on WKYC 11pm news -- but all the highlights were 16:9 SD -- did WKYC not broadcast this game in HD today ??

I'll also put in a plug for Wide Open West - I went online to my WOW account manager yesterday and ordered the high speed internet package. The website asked me to schedule a visit, so I set up a date for next week. I already have a cable modem, so I figured I'd call them up and just give them the MAC address and have them activate it. I called about 11:30pm last night, selected the option for internet technical support, and the phone was answered immediately by an english speaking tech that wasn't a script reading drone. I told him what I wanted to do, he said sure no problem. He punched the MAC address into their system, I watched the modem reset itself, and wham, I'm on the net. Total time on the phone about 5 minutes. No need for the truck roll next week. That's what I call service !

Ya Paule, HD from 3:30 to 8:30 or 9 or whenever they finally called off the game. Don't know why the highlights were in SD. That is strange, and so was that game... to be continued tomorrow (Sat.) at 1:00.

Off topic (per usual) :) but how in the hell they were going to play that game didn't make any sense to me. I was laughing looking out my window....PLAY BALL! How the hell do you even see the ball with huge snowflakes falling?

I know there isn't much hope for improvement so I understand why. But they caused me a great deal of stress wondering what they were going to do about my scheduled NBC shows. Hat's off to them for making the right decision in starting in progress with whatever that game show was and showing both Raines and L&O in HD.

Ya Paule, HD from 3:30 to 8:30 or 9 or whenever they finally called off the game. Don't know why the highlights were in SD. That is strange, and so was that game... to be continued tomorrow (Sat.) at 1:00.
The live broadcast was in true HD, however anything prerecorded was in SD, either strethced or boxed.

I don't beleive any local station has the equipment to record in broadcast quality HD.
Whenever WEWS preempts ABC programs or Wheel of Fortune the delayed broadcast is always in SD. Whenever WKYC has a segment that was pretaped (such as the political discussion segment on the Sunday AM newscast) those segments are in boxed SD.

Is the CW channel 30-1? If it is I'm getting nothing - not even a blip. It's not showing up in the HD Tivo D* guide either. Maybe they haven't gone full power yet.
Well you can't get much closer to the WBNX tower than I am. The tower lights literally refelect off the house across the street!

There was no signal yesterday. I confirmed that there was no RF on ch 30 on my "add DTV" screen after 55.1 could not be found. Thursday I was able to add WBNX and it showed up as 55.1. The picture was SD upconverted (even though the CW network feed was in HD). There were occasional glitches in the picture, despite the 125 signal (the highest the meter goes on E* equipment). Before you say the glitches were from too strong a signal, I also get 125 for several other stations here in the 'tenna farm and none of them have glitches like I've seen on WBNX.

If I'm seeing some glitches, everyone is getting them. They obviously are still getting things adjusted. The time to uncork the bubbly is when we all see true HD insted of upconverted SD. I'm surprised someone reported DD 5.1, was it just a pilot light on your DD decoder, or did you actually hear a distinct 5.1 soundtrack?

I concur with Hookbill; the 3250HD is the current non-DVR model. It has analog component YPbPr outputs as well as DVI.

In regards to my smart mouth remark of comparison to the SA 8300, I may have to take it back.

Yesterday at the last minute I decided to cancel MLBTV from the computer and order MLB EXTRA INNINGS. I have a HD set upstairs in the "guest" room (where my wife sends me to watch games while she sleeps) and I was looking forward to the Dodgers and Giants at 10:15 pm.

With beer in hand I went upstairs and turned on my TV and SA 3250HD. And I get a message: Service is not authorized for this unit. I reboot the box and get the same message. I call TW :eek: and after a good 15 minutes on hold a very nice rep gets on the phone. She says it shows active on her end. {I'm now starting to pound that beer). We do the reboot thing and she sends the signal. A message pops up: "Loading Guide Data". YES! Followed by another message: Service is not authorized for this unit. I finish the beer and have an all day appointment on Monday. She swears activating MLB Extra Innings had nothing to do with this.

Disappointed, I went down stairs, grabbed another beer and went to mlb.com. I signed in and my password worked. I clicked the 700k stream and there it was, Dodgers and Giants thrid inning no score. I watched the remainder of the game and had a good evening, and a few more beers. :)

So after this long story, I just want to retract what I said about the SA 8300 not being as good as the SA3250. I guess being a POS just runs in the family. :mad:

P.S. Excellent ball game Dodgers won 2-1. It was hillarious to hear the announcers talking about how cold it was in San Fransisco after watching the Tribe earlier.