When is E* going to get STO-HD? I am so jealous of you folks who do get it. Watching the Tribe in lowly SD is almost unbearable. :(

Have you sent e-mail to E*? Here is their address: ceo@echostar.com

BTW: STO on E* in SD is worse than "lowly". I don't even have an HDTV set yet and on the days when there are many games going on simultaneosly they have to crank the stat-mux (digital video compression) so high the SD picture is as bad as your average streaming video feed form 5 years ago :p

How good is the STO in SD on D* or cable?

Hey, WBNX is back on the air! With 2 sub channels! Nothing broadcasting on 55.2 or 55.3 though.

55.1 is now labled as WBNX-HD
55.2 is WBNX-DT
55.3 is WBNX-3

Signal strength down here in Orrville is pretty solid from almost 40 miles away.

Have you sent e-mail to E*? Here is their address: ceo@echostar.com

Yes. I was told last October, that by the first quarter of 2007 LIL's and RSN's in Cleveland should be up. I have since followed up and received no response.

BTW: STO on E* in SD is worse than "lowly".

I agree. During last night's game, I could barely make out the score at the bottom right hand corner of the screen. Unacceptable.

I was disappointed that tonights Cavs game was not on HD. Well, It was, but it was on NBA TV. I tuned into inHD, which carries the HD feed for NBA TV, and was happy to see the pregame in HD. Then at 8:00, TWC flipped the switch, and that was the end of that. FSN Ohio doesnt have the game in HD either. I find that surprising because the playoffs are in full swing...

I dont care what channel it is on, I just wan't to watch the Cavs in HD!

Hey, WBNX is back on the air! With 2 sub channels! Nothing broadcasting on 55.2 or 55.3 though.

55.1 is now labled as WBNX-HD
55.2 is WBNX-DT
55.3 is WBNX-3

Signal strength down here in Orrville is pretty solid from almost 40 miles away.

I was also picking up a solid signal for WBNX here in North Canton last night just using my indoor amplified rabbit ears. Can't wait to see Veronica Mars in HD.

Can't wait to see Veronica Mars in HD.

This is the smartest thing I have EVER read in this forum!!! :D :D :D

The EPG in my Dish receiver 622 does not show the programming data for WBNX-DT as it does for the other OTA stations. Does anyone else have this problem? I called DiSH about the lack of EPG guide info on WBNX-DT and they said it was their first complaint.

CW prime time shows available in High Def:

Gilmore Girls - HD-Stereo
Veronica Mars – HD & 5.1 :D
One Tree Hill – HD & 5.1
Smallville - HD-Stereo
Supernatural – HD &5.1
Everybody Hates Chris – HD & 5.1
All of Us - HD & Stereo
Girlfriends – HD & 5.1
The Game – HD & 5.1

The EPG in my Dish receiver 622 does not show the programming data for WBNX-DT as it does for the other OTA stations. Does anyone else have this problem? I called DiSH about the lack of EPG guide info on WBNX-DT and they said it was their first complaint.

Noticed the same thing last night. Must be because the channel is new.

CW prime time shows available in High Def:

Gilmore Girls - HD-Stereo
Veronica Mars – HD & 5.1 :D
One Tree Hill – HD & 5.1
Smallville - HD-Stereo
Supernatural – HD &5.1
Everybody Hates Chris – HD & 5.1
All of Us - HD & Stereo
Girlfriends – HD & 5.1
The Game – HD & 5.1

Let's hope they feed us the HD broadcast. Their last test of OTA a few weeks ago only got us the SD feed upconverted to 1080i.

Perhaps now that the PSIP for WBNX lists 55.1 as WBNX-HD, we will actually get the broadcast in HD.

I agree, it would be awesome to see Veronica Mars in HD for the first time.

Veronica returns next week May 1st. I don't watch any other CW programming, but I may have to start... I do watch a lot of Smallville reruns on HDNet. Everybody Hates Chris is supposed to be good.

As far the program guide info on E*, it should update in a day or two as it does guide updates.

Veronica returns next week May 1st. I don't watch any other CW programming, but I may have to start... I do watch a lot of Smallville reruns on HDNet. Everybody Hates Chris is supposed to be good.

As far the program guide info on E*, it should update in a day or two as it does guide updates.

I never got into Veronica. I suppose she's legal now but come on, she still just a little girl.

Smallville continues to be good.

Everybody Hates Chris the only sitcom I watch. Always funny.

Is anybody else getting intermittent sound stutters on STO-HD? Symptomatically, it'll be like a half second of no sound, followed by normal sound, then a 1/2 second of stutter. It seems to be happening once every 2-3 minutes.

I'm not seeing this on any other channels. I'm on Cox with an SA8300.

Yes - I think they must be having HD problems on STO. Sound last night was just so-so and so was the picture. I am in Amherst, OH, which is the old Comcast, but now TWC network.

This may have also been posted, but why did TWC remove Fox Sports Net HD channel. I thought it used to be where they just put ESPN2 HD, but now no FSNHD, which would rather have. I think the conversion from comcast to TWC has been terrible. HD lineup is pretty sad too, sure wish it would get better.

According to the radio-info boards, WOAC's sister station KCNS has added 3 hours of Chinese language programming in Mandarin, under the "Sino TV" (華語電視) banner daily from 7 PM to 10 PM.

This is from multicultural's offical website: With the newly acquired television stations by MRBI’s television group, Sino Television is expanding its broadcast coverage to reach Chinese television program audience in the major U.S. cities.

In addition WOAC, has changed its line up a bit. New zoo revue airs MON-FRI at 7:00 AM and on Mon ask Gilby is on ar 7:30 AM and public affairs airs Tues at 7:30 AM. They also added shepard's chapel MON-FRI at 6 AM (according to titan tv). Prior to a few weeks ago, they had a new zoo revue/ask gilby/ public affairs marathon Wed from 7 to 10:30 AM.Could we be seeing a home-shopper/paid program/infomerical/ethic station on 67 in the coming weeks?




http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,69488.0.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCNS-TV

http://www.mrbi.net/tvgroup.htm

http://www.mrbi.net/sinotv.htm

http://www.mingpaosf.com/htm/News/20070406/sf1a.htm

Translation of above page:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mingpaosf.com%2Fhtm%2FNews%2F20070406 %2Fsf1a.htm&lp=zt_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

Hey, WBNX is back on the air! With 2 sub channels! Nothing broadcasting on 55.2 or 55.3 though.

55.1 is now labled as WBNX-HD
55.2 is WBNX-DT
55.3 is WBNX-3

Signal strength down here in Orrville is pretty solid from almost 40 miles away.

Could retro television network be in the sub channels future? RTN, which is owned by Equity Broadcasting is going national on July 7th with at least 55 hours of programming from CBS. Their network website redirects to WNGS in Buffalo and last fall WNGS streamed their station on-line inculding Indian's games from Ch3/STO in which they are the Buffalo station that carries it. They have gotten rid of the stream and from what I have seen it is a pretty good station.

The programming fits WBNX since in the past they aired show of the shows RTN is planning to air and it gives them a second demo to go after (cw younger,RTN older) and since from my understanding RTN is barter, it would be alot cheaper than going out and buying the rights on an individual basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro_Television_Network

http://rtn11.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_Broadcasting

http://www.ebcorp.net/press/6596117.html

According to the radio-info boards, WOAC's sister station KCNS has added 3 hours of Chinese language programming in Mandarin, under the "Sino TV" (華語電視) banner daily from 7 PM to 10 PM.

This is from multicultural's offical website: With the newly acquired television stations by MRBI’s television group, Sino Television is expanding its broadcast coverage to reach Chinese television program audience in the major U.S. cities.

In addition WOAC, has changed its line up a bit. New zoo revue airs MON-FRI at 7:00 AM and on Tues Zebby's Zoo is on ar 7:30 AM and public affirs airs Weds at 7:30 AM. They also added shepard's chapel MON-FRI at 6 AM (according to titan tv). Could we be seeing a home-shopper/paid program/infomerical/ethic station on 67 in the coming weeks?

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,69488.0.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCNS-TV

http://www.mrbi.net/tvgroup.htm

http://www.mrbi.net/sinotv.htm

I know we get off topic from time to time but does this have anything remotely to do with HD, cable or satellite?

I know we get off topic from time to time but does this have anything remotely to do with HD, cable or satellite?

If multicultural does HD then soon there will be a new HD player in town then yes it does and if they don't do HD, then CABLE/SAT PROVIDERS WILL FIND A REASON TO DROP IT SINCE IT DOES NOT SERVE THE COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION SINCE CABLE OPERATORS CARRY WOAC AND WE TALK ABOUT CABLE, IT THEN WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CABLE CHANNEL, SO IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A TOPIC.

Since WOAC is carried on most CABLE/SATELLITE SYSTEMS DUE TO MUST CARRY, AND THEY ARE ABLE TO TRANSMITT A HD SIGNAL AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE OWNERS FEELS IS BEST, THEY MAY ACTUALLY DO SO. UNTIL THEIR FINAL PLANS ARE ACTUALLY KNOWN ABOUT WHAT AND IN WHAT METHOD THEY WILL TRANSMITT (HD,SD) IT IS A FAIR DISCUSSION TOPIC SINCE THEY MAY DECIDE IT IS A NEED AND COST EFFECTIVE TO TRANSMITT WOAC'S PROGRAMS IN HD.

BESIDES WOAC AND THERE PENDING PROGRAMMING CHANGE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE AND SINCE IT DOES INVOLVE DIGITAL TELEVISION (HIGH DEF IS AN ENHANCED VARIATION OF DIUGITAL TELEVISION) IT FITS.

If multicultural does HD then soon there will be a new HD player in town then yes it does and if they don't do HD, then CABLE/SAT PROVIDERS WILL FIND A REASON TO DROP IT SINCE IT DOES NOT SERVE THE COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION SINCE CABLE OPERATORS CARRY WOAC AND WE TALK ABOUT CABLE, IT THEN WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CABLE CHANNEL, SO IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A TOPIC.

Since WOAC is carried on most CABLE/SATELLITE SYSTEMS DUE TO MUST CARRY, AND THEY ARE ABLE TO TRANSMITT A HD SIGNAL AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE OWNERS FEELS IS BEST, THEY MAY ACTUALLY DO SO. UNTIL THEIR FINAL PLANS ARE ACTUALLY KNOWN ABOUT WHAT AND IN WHAT METHOD THEY WILL TRANSMITT (HD,SD) IT IS A FAIR DISCUSSION TOPIC SINCE THEY MAY DECIDE IT IS A NEED AND COST EFFECTIVE TO TRANSMITT WOAC'S PROGRAMS IN HD.

BESIDES WOAC AND THERE PENDING PROGRAMMING CHANGE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE AND SINCE IT DOES INVOLVE DIGITAL TELEVISION (HIGH DEF IS AN ENHANCED VARIATION OF DIUGITAL TELEVISION) IT FITS.

Wow, it seems like I really struck a nerve. Since I am totally unfamiliar with this channel I took a look at my guide to see what exactly I was missing. It appears at least at this time that it carrys infomercials until around midnight then they have some sort of jewlery display which I'm sure my wife would be interested in.

I want to thank you for setting me straight and for giving me this important information as to why you brought this up and we are discussing it now. You're absolutely right any station that "may" become multicultural and "may someday" go digital and even HD is important information.

Do you have a manefest you want us to read too?

Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask but I need help... I started trying to upgrade to HD cable with Time Warner in the Cleveland suburbs (former Adelphia area) in early February and was put on a waiting list for an HD DVR and told two to three weeks. I'm *still* on the list after two and half months. Anyone else in the same situation? Any suggestions on how I can expedite the process? I've called a couple of times, but they don't know anything and won't give me the number of the department that handles the waiting list. Is there a local office I can call?

Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask but I need help... I started trying to upgrade to HD cable with Time Warner in the Cleveland suburbs (former Adelphia area) in early February and was put on a waiting list for an HD DVR and told two to three weeks. I'm *still* on the list after two and half months. Anyone else in the same situation? Any suggestions on how I can expedite the process? I've called a couple of times, but they don't know anything and won't give me the number of the department that handles the waiting list. Is there a local office I can call?

I don't know what area you're in but there are several offices in the area where you can pick one up. Click here (http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/PaymentCenter/TWCPaymentCenters.ashx) and punch in your zip code. :)

I know we get off topic from time to time but does this have anything remotely to do with HD, cable or satellite?

Yes, some of us use this thread to get information about our local OTA HD broadcasting because we don't have cable or satellite. WOAC has a lot of potential, and it is indeed an important issue to discuss.

Moving on to the possibilities for WBNX's subchannels, the Retro TV network would be an excellent option for WBNX in my opinion. I personally think that this would be good programming for those of us who are tired of watching the hours of repetitive news broadcasts every evening. I often get tired of watching the news every night and end up turning to something else that won't get me depressed.

Hookbill:
It does interest me,to see what WOAC might put on the digital channels eventually, since the station is "local" to me though I am sure Mav didnt have to use all caps in his response..

Hookbill:
It does interest me,to see what WOAC might put on the digital channels eventually, since the station is "local" to me though I am sure Mav didnt have to use all caps in his response..

That was an accident I did not know the caps lock was on my bad. I did not mean anything by it sorry.

Is anybody else getting intermittent sound stutters on STO-HD? Symptomatically, it'll be like a half second of no sound, followed by normal sound, then a 1/2 second of stutter. It seems to be happening once every 2-3 minutes.

I'm not seeing this on any other channels. I'm on Cox with an SA8300.

I've got DirecTV and STO-HD had audio dropouts when I was watching the game.
Also, I've noticed horrible macroblocking during transitions from replays to live and also on camera pans. Has to be the worst HD feed that I've seen.

I see the audio problem isn't unique to DirecTV. Does anybody else see the video issues with STO?

WBNX-DT is transmitting Smallville in HDTV. Looks good to me, so far no breakups and a strong steady signal in my area.

WBNX-DT is transmitting Smallville in HDTV. Looks good to me, so far no breakups and a strong steady signal in my area.

Do they provide CW HD in other markets?

I see the audio problem isn't unique to DirecTV. Does anybody else see the video issues with STO?
I didn't notice any video issues on Cox, just the audio ones.

Do they provide CW HD in other markets?

As for direct tv, good question. If WBNX can come to an agreement then yes.

WBNX is dead air for me right now, perhaps I just don't get a strong enough signal.

Thanks Bill.... that's exactly what I was looking for. I will see if the local office will help me!

WBNX-DT is transmitting Smallville in HDTV. Looks good to me, so far no breakups and a strong steady signal in my area.

FYI - I noticed that they were also transmitting DD 5.1 last night. Come on Raycom - you are the only major commercial broadcaster in Cleveland now not sending DD 5.1.

I too had trouble with Wednesdays' Indians vs Rangers game. I have TWC and I had no sound at all. The picture was OK, at least as good as I recall from last year. I tried to tune the game sound in on my receiver at 1100 AM but I live up by the lake and its impossible to pick up WTAM. I looked in the paper for the local AM station and found out the game was on WMMS FM since the Cavs playoff game was on WTAM. Problem solved although Tom Hamilton was about 1-2 seconds ahead of the video action. It was like watching continuous replays.

I e-mailed both STO and TWC. I received this back from STO.

> From: "General Mailbox" <generalmailbox@SPORTSTIMEOHIO.COM>
>
> Thank you for your email. We are aware that there was an issue with
> the HD telecast of last night's Indians-Rangers game. The problem was
> with HTN and their uplink to the satellite to distribute the game, we
> are working with them to fix the problem. We apologize and thank you
> for watching SportsTime Ohio!!

FYI - I noticed that they were also transmitting DD 5.1 last night. Come on Raycom - you are the only major commercial broadcaster in Cleveland now not sending DD 5.1.

Hmm...makes me tempted to sneak out and get a small indoor antenna to see if I can pick it up. Or I can wait and hope TW starts broadcasting it soon.

I never got into Veronica. I suppose she's legal now but come on, she still just a little girl.




She was born the same year as me... she's been legal since the show began. But I'm happily married as well! :) It is a really cool show. Great wise-cracking dialogue...

I never got into Veronica. I suppose she's legal now but come on, she still just a little girl.

She's 27. The show was better the first year.

Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask but I need help... I started trying to upgrade to HD cable with Time Warner in the Cleveland suburbs (former Adelphia area) in early February and was put on a waiting list for an HD DVR and told two to three weeks. I'm *still* on the list after two and half months. Anyone else in the same situation? Any suggestions on how I can expedite the process? I've called a couple of times, but they don't know anything and won't give me the number of the department that handles the waiting list. Is there a local office I can call?

I've had the same problem as well. I've been on the main list for 12 weeeks. I tried stopping by a local office (Macedonia) and have been on their list for a couple of weeks. If you stop by there, be warned that they are switching to TW hours beginning in early May (9-4:30pm M-F, closed from 1-2).

At this point, I'm just hoping to get one (well, two actually) by the time football season starts :(

She's 27. The show was better the first year.
27? I could sworn the first year of the show she was a teenager. Well, that's television for you. ;)

I've had the same problem as well. I've been on the main list for 12 weeeks. I tried stopping by a local office (Macedonia) and have been on their list for a couple of weeks. If you stop by there, be warned that they are switching to TW hours beginning in early May (9-4:30pm M-F, closed from 1-2).

At this point, I'm just hoping to get one (well, two actually) by the time football season starts :(


Wow, they wouldn't let you have on at the Macedonia office? Bummer.

I bought my Samsung 19" HD a few months ago and had no problem getting a HD STB.

If you click here (http://www.tivo.com/0.11.welcomeback.asp ) you can find out how to get an S3 TiVo for 499.00 plus a free wireless adapter. You will have to commit for a minimum of 1 year but there are several plans.

It's more expensive then any STB or DVR that TW is offering but at least you can get going and not be on some wait list. By the way that price is 300 bucks less then mine. 350.00 if you count the wireless adapter.

My brother has TW in Dayton and was having some problems with his DVR. He was told that he could either exchange it for a standard STB or be put on a waiting list for the DVR.

27? I could sworn the first year of the show she was a teenager. Well, that's television for you. ;)

I imagine a lot of that has to do with the work rules for minors.

I imagine a lot of that has to do with the work rules for minors.

When I say teenager I mean 18. If she was suppose to be 15 at that time that to me seems like something she could get away with. But she would have been 24 at the start of the show (I think).

I have caught a glimpse or two of the show and kind of thought she was looking hot but I also felt quite guilty about that. ;) Good to see my instincts wern't way off base. :)

I really want to support WEWS in their transition to HD news. Truly I do. But again today the voice was so out of synche with the picture it was unwatchable.

Gary16, what in the heck is going on over there? Do they have to have a custom made part to fix this problem? That would be the only reason I can see for this to keep on happening.

Also if the problem is caused by the Dolby 5.1 why not just shut the Dolby 5.1 down during the news and bring it back up when Wheel comes on. This plain doesn't make sense.

I was forced to turn to FOX and no sooner did I switch, there it was, another story about A.I. I'm seriously thinking about tuning to non hd WOIO things are getting that bad! :(

55.1 coming in loud and clear OTA.

JJK

My brother has TW in Dayton and was having some problems with his DVR. He was told that he could either exchange it for a standard STB or be put on a waiting list for the DVR.

There is a backlog of DVRs nationally; it's not just TWC. The main reasons for the backlog are the popularity of the devices as well as the manufacturers having to retool their assembly lines for production of the new FCC-required separable security (http://www.cable360.net/ct/video/20254.html) units.

There is a backlog of DVRs nationally; it's not just TWC. The main reasons for the backlog are the popularity of the devices as well as the manufacturers having to retool their assembly lines for production of the new FCC-required separable security (http://www.cable360.net/ct/video/20254.html) units.

When I first heard about this backlog that's what I figured it was. CableCards. They have probably stopped production of DVR's like the SA 8300 and are relying on the SA 9000 to take it's place. But who know's what stage of development that is in or whether or not it will be available by the deadline in the article on the link.

Sorry if this has been asked before. I check this thread occasionally, but it's extremely active.

WUAB-DT broadcasts in 720p, but which shows are in HD? I thought it was a lack of content but last week the cavs game was in SD on WUAB and HD on FSN. Why is this? Did WUAB say anything about moving their cavs broadcasts to HD?

Sorry if this has been asked before. I check this thread occasionally, but it's extremely active.

WUAB-DT broadcasts in 720p, but which shows are in HD? I thought it was a lack of content but last week the cavs game was in SD on WUAB and HD on FSN. Why is this? Did WUAB say anything about moving their cavs broadcasts to HD?

I don't think WUAB has *ever* had an HD Cavs game. Two different sets of cameras, two different productions. Remember WUAB is owned by Raycom, the same cheap bastards that took away the DD 5.1 audio decoder the week after the Super Bowl. I wouldn't hold my breath on them providing HD sports anytime soon. I also wouldn't be surprised if FSN's contract with the Cavs said that WUAB can't be in HD, so as to keep FSN the "superior" product.

I am confused. when I had TWC in Columbus all NBATV games in HD on InHD were broadcast. In Cleveland not only are the Cavs blocked out but all NBATVHD games are. This is confusing to me. i pay an additional fee to get NBATV as it is I believe and now I can't watch Cavs playoffs in HD? Is there anywhere anyone knows of on TWC where we can watch Mondays game in HD? Man is Fiber going to push these guys out in months afters its release which could not come soon enough!

Has anyone noticed that Time Warner has shifted their image down about 2%? I have a Westinghouse 1080p LCD that does 1:1 with no overscan as well as a Sanyo projector set to 0% overscan and now when I look at the overscan page from HDnet Tuneup, I show 2% overscan on the bottom and a black bar ABOVE the 0% on top. TNT-HD now has a sizeable black bar on top and ESPN-HD has garbage on the top of the screen when they are showing 4:3 with sidebars and a thin black bar with HD content where there was none before. Even Discovery-HD now has a thin black line on the top of their image. Of of these use to fill the screen completely even with 0 overscan. This seemed to have happened some time in the last week or so. The first Cavs playoff game on TNT-HD didn't have the black bar on top (it's about 1/2 inch on my 37" Westy) but all the games and other content since has had varying sized bars on top.

I've verified that others with Time Warner see this same thing as well. I wonder why they have done that? Now their picture is not centered. I'd call their support line, but I'm guessing they'll have no clue what I'm talking about and just disregard the call. In the end, I guess it doesn't matter for those using at least 3% overscan since you'll never see it, but I'd like to have it back the way it was.

You guys need to stop dreaming about fiber. It's just not going to happen in the Cleveland area. FIOS is a Verizon product and only available where Verizon is the local telephone company. In Ohio/Michigan/Illinois AT&T/SBC/Ameritech local phone service territory, the best ATT is gonna do is U-Verse which is crappy old copper to your house. 25Mbps average. That's it.

Has anyone noticed that Time Warner has shifted their image down about 2%? I have a Westinghouse 1080p LCD that does 1:1 with no overscan as well as a Sanyo projector set to 0% overscan and now when I look at the overscan page from HDnet Tuneup, I show 2% overscan on the bottom and a black bar ABOVE the 0% on top. TNT-HD now has a sizeable black bar on top and ESPN-HD has garbage on the top of the screen when they are showing 4:3 with sidebars and a thin black bar with HD content where there was none before. Even Discovery-HD now has a thin black line on the top of their image. Of of these use to fill the screen completely even with 0 overscan. This seemed to have happened some time in the last week or so. The first Cavs playoff game on TNT-HD didn't have the black bar on top (it's about 1/2 inch on my 37" Westy) but all the games and other content since has had varying sized bars on top.

I don't think there's anything in a typical cable headend that CAN shrink the digital picture by a certain percentage. Bandwidth is managed by controlling GOP, symbol rate, that kind of stuff. They don't selectively discard individual scan lines.

Is there any chance that the warmer weather is causing an air conditioner to kick in, causing a drop in line voltage in your home?

I've verified that others with Time Warner see this same thing as well. I wonder why they have done that? Now their picture is not centered. I'd call their support line, but I'm guessing they'll have no clue what I'm talking about and just disregard the call. In the end, I guess it doesn't matter for those using at least 3% overscan since you'll never see it, but I'd like to have it back the way it was.

Sorry, TW customer here and I don't see it. Everything looks the same to me. :)

Also TWC, also noticing no scan line differences, and my Westy pretty much goes out to the edges.

Re: Verizon FIOS - Verizon IS the local phone company in the old GTE territories (i.e. Medina). But I'm guessing Medina, even being part of a reasonably large media market, will get FIOS as late as they'll roll it out...

Re: Cavs in HD. WUAB actually takes the FSN Ohio feed, and for whatever reason, FSN Ohio doesn't do the playoffs in HD. (And even if they did, I don't know if WUAB/Raycom has the proper equipment to transmit the FSN Ohio HD feed.)

And I have no idea where, if anywhere, TWC Cleveland can offer the NBATV HD feed for those who have it in SD digital. I'd also presume InHD, but I don't think that's ever been done. Remember, the former Adelphia system didn't even have NBATV for any price.

I'm not getting Channel 3 WKYC-DT on Time Warner Canton right now. Any one else having a similar problem ? Also, does anyone know if TW is carrying the digital signal of WBNX Ch. 55 now that it has started broadcasting in hi-def ?

I'm not getting Channel 3 WKYC-DT on Time Warner Canton right now. Any one else having a similar problem ? Also, does anyone know if TW is carrying the digital signal of WBNX Ch. 55 now that it has started broadcasting in hi-def ?
Have you watched anytime in the last few days? I couldn't get it either a couple days ago through my external QAM tuner, so I did a re-scan of the channels and it came in on a different channel.

I don't think there's anything in a typical cable headend that CAN shrink the digital picture by a certain percentage. Bandwidth is managed by controlling GOP, symbol rate, that kind of stuff. They don't selectively discard individual scan lines.

Is there any chance that the warmer weather is causing an air conditioner to kick in, causing a drop in line voltage in your home?

I never said they 'shrunk' the picture a certain percentage and it has nothing at all to do with bandwidth. Nor was I implying that they selectively discarded lines. Their image has shifted down by 2%. I'm positive of it. I've used HDNet's tuneup multiple times on it to check the overscan over the past 4 months that I've owned the TV. I even posted my results in the Westinghouse LCD thread. It was 0% on all 4 sides on Standard mode and about 6%-7% all around with the 'FILL' setting. Now on Standard I get 2% overscan on the bottom and a thin black bar above the test pattern on the top. 3 other people with TV's that can do 0% overscan have also noted the same exact results.....it's not my air conditioner which isn't even on. That's kinda funny actually. If you have a typical HDTV that has about 5% - 7% overscan you will not notice this change. The only way you'll notice it is if you have 0% overscan.

For those that have 0% overscan and have Time Warner and have TNT-HD, watch the NBA Playoffs tonight. I would be shocked if you don't see a black bar on the top of the screen. It's something you'll have to look for. There isn't 2% of the picture 'missing' on the top, it's the bottom that's just a little bit off the screen. It's in the 'extra' area that isn't intended to be seen anyway so it's not like anything important is chopped off. The problem is, that the Westinghouse 1080p LCD has two modes...0% overscan and about 7% overscan. Before the shift, many channels filled the screen even with 1:1. Some channels did still have garbage on the top of the picture or on the side (ie NBC has an orange line on the left side believe it or not...you just don't normally see it.)

Also TWC, also noticing no scan line differences, and my Westy pretty much goes out to the edges.



Does your Westy have overscan or can it do 0% (ie 1:1)? If so, watch TNT-HD tonight during the playoff games...if you have TMC I'm betting you'll see the black bar. If your TV is even 2 or 3% overscan, you won't see it. It's not something on my end, I can guarantee that. It's been reported by 3 other people independently. I also see it on my Sanyo Z4 projector in addition to my 1080p Westinghouse LCD, so I know it's not an issue with my TV.

For some unknown reason INHD is gray on my S3. I don't know what the problem is yet but I know I'm getting it on my upstairs STB so it's probably cable card related. I'll bet they blacked something out and then when they turned it back on they didn't hit the cable cards.

I talk to a customer service rep and I guess Sunday is idiot day. No one knew what an S3 was and the first thing that came out of their mouths were "We don't have anything to do with other DVR's other then our own." One I spoke with told me that there is no way I can have any DVR other then theirs and I started speaking over her and said "Do you see that I have two cable cards?" "Yes." "What do you think those cable cards do?"

It looks like I'll be calling my person at head end again.

Does your Westy have overscan or can it do 0% (ie 1:1)? If so, watch TNT-HD tonight during the playoff games...if you have TMC I'm betting you'll see the black bar. If your TV is even 2 or 3% overscan, you won't see it. It's not something on my end, I can guarantee that. It's been reported by 3 other people independently. I also see it on my Sanyo Z4 projector in addition to my 1080p Westinghouse LCD, so I know it's not an issue with my TV.
I have the same monitor (Westinghouse LVM-37w3) and cable box (SA8300HD) as Dweezilz. TW did one of their updates to my box (not sure if it affected everyone in NE Ohio market) about 2 weeks ago and I've had the exact same issue. TNTHD is showing Dallas/Golden State playoff basketball right now and the roughly 1/2" black line exists at the top of the monitor; commercials display this as well. NBCHD fully fills the monitor resolution. ABCHD has a thinner black line at the top, as does WUABHD. FOXHD has a larger black line on the news currently, with weird red/blue garbage. PBSHD has no black line. HBOHD has a 1/4" black line at the top. On HDNET, it's probably 1/8". And so on.

Same thing with 4:3 content on ESPNHD: I now see garbage lines at the top. Ditto the orange line on NBCHD, although that's always been there on this monitor.

None of this was this way before TW's recent "update". Every HD station filled the monitor's 1:1 pitch fully. They've definitely caused the image to shift, at least on many of the HD stations, be it in the box or elsewhere. It's not the monitor and it's not line voltage; it's been independently verified.

Also since the update, I get occasional "DVI/HDMI disabled" messages from the SA8300HD when first powering up. These resolve themselves in about 5 seconds and the image displays normally, although with the above-mentioned apparent image shift.

I never claimed the TWC or Adelphia in Cleveland showed the NBATVHD games on inHD on the ocntrary there were always blacked out here but on inHD in Columbus they always came through on twc. It makes no sense now to black them out while nbatv is on a freeview.

Away from that cavs.com is saying game 4 will be available on FSN Ohio HD. Neither the guide or the channel confirm this. Tuning the HDBonus it says next event is the Indians game on Tues. Can anyone confirm that the game will be on the HDBonus channel mon night in HD? Thank you to anyone with any information!

BTW anyone looking for the HDBonus channel using QAM should be aware that it recently moved to qam256:106 (687000000) / Program: 1 that information is the correct format for the hdhomerun_bda.remap file for those of you watching through mce.

Great to see that that we finally have The CW in HD.

Hey guy's read about 70 out of the 200+ pages in this thread but didn't find my answer for my area.

I was wondering if anyone here is getting NBC in HD in my area and with what antenna? Are you getting ABC, CBS and FOX as well? I have been looking into DirecTV or Dish as well. Does anyone know if the antennas that you hook onto those dish's work well? I been looking at getting the Dish but they don't have my Local in HD according to there site so would need the OTA antenna.

On a side note anyone know why Dish doesn't? DirecTV says they offer them in HD. But Dish's offer is much cheaper per month and they throw in a HDDVR free where as DirecTV wants 200 bucks for one. So yeah any info or advice for a Massillon man would be appreciated.

Hey guy's read about 70 out of the 200+ pages in this thread but didn't find my answer for my area.

I was wondering if anyone here is getting NBC in HD in my area and with what antenna? Are you getting ABC, CBS and FOX as well?

You read 70 pages of this thread and didn't find one mention of what a PITA receiving WKYC-DT is? :D

Here in N. Canton, WKYC-DT is my most difficult OTA channel. It will be missing for weeks at a time. The problem in a nutshell: they broadcast digitally on ch. 2 with fairly low power. Low VHF is prone to all kinds of interference which makes digital reception very difficult. You also need to be sure that you are using a VHF antenna to receive them - UHF-only antennas generally will not work. You may have a shot at another NBC station - WFMJ-DT in Youngstown.

I receive all other OTA Cleveland market stations, although WOIO-DT gives me occasional problems. Again, a Youngstown station is my backup - WKBN-DT. WOIO-DT is another VHF station (ch 10) and they also broadcast at a low power level.

Here in N. Canton, WKYC-DT is my most difficult OTA channel. It will be missing for weeks at a time.
Very much related to the antenna. I personally get 3.1 the best out of all the digital stations here in Kent (although I do have some trees that hinder my signal reception from the Parma farm). I can usually get 5.1, but 8.1 and 19.1 are more off than on for me. I'm using a Winegard Sensar III which is stronger in the VHF range than other "stealth" antennae and its amplified. DWJ, depending on how far you are from the transmitters and your line of sight, will dictate what type of antenna you need (and how high to put it). Hopefully you did read in the 70 pages, antennaweb.org is a good place to start.

Dweezilz:
I have a Sony LCD 46XBR2 with 2.5% overscan (Avia test disc) and do not see the black line on top of the SD picture (OTA) unless I set the TV to full pixel, then I will see the black line on the SD only but not on HD. There does seem to be some variation from channel to channel but not much.
JJK

It seems the issue is more obvious on the non-OTA channels like TNT-HD and ESPN-HD although depending on what's being broadcast, a few of the locals have more garbage on top. It's always been there on the top of the SD just not on the HD. It doesn't surprize me that you don't see it via OTA HD as I'm sure it's not an issue with the networks since it spans several of them. Oh well, not much we can do. I know this is an issue with TW since I've now spoken to 3 other people who have independently seen the same issue over the last 2 weeks. I hate seeing the junk on the top of the HD stations. Bad enough to see it on the SD versions. At this point, I'll have to use the 'FILL' option on my TV and go to 7% overscan. Too much, but at least I won't see the extras. The only really annoying channel is TNT-HD during the NBA playoffs. I noticed that during Law & Order the black bar wasn't quite as big, but during the NBA game, it's pretty significant. Even with 2% overscan set on my Sanyo Z4 projector, I see it.

Anyone gotten the EPG data for WBNX-DT on DiSH's EPG ?

The guide data isn't showing on D* for WBNX-DT 30. Is anyone receiving this channel ota? Nothing here on 30-1 or 55-1.

Anyone gotten the EPG data for WBNX-DT on DiSH's EPG ?

The guide data isn't showing on D* for WBNX-DT 30. Is anyone receiving this channel ota? Nothing here on 30-1 or 55-1.

I get WBNX OTA on 55-1, pretty strong at "85%". I also see 30.2, 30.3, and 30.4 but no programming. This is direct to the sony TV. I know the tuner in my vip622 isn't quite as good as my sony so I didn't test it with WBNX yet.

I get WBNX OTA on 55-1, pretty strong at "85%". I also see 30.2, 30.3, and 30.4 but no programming. This is direct to the sony TV. I know the tuner in my vip622 isn't quite as good as my sony so I didn't test it with WBNX yet.

Hopefully they haven't gone full power yet. I'm glad to hear someone's receiving it.
thx, Tom

I'm receiving 55.1 in the Massillon area at 72-73% strength OTA. I'm also seeing a guide.

I have a hard time receiving WKYC also, but it does come in for the most part.

WOIO is a bit more reliable.

Everything else comes in perfectly at 80%+

I've just looked at the specs on the S2000 and S2010 and they only mention an ATSC tuner for HD. This will not pick up cable's QAM signals; it will only pick up broadcast HD with an antenna.

You can always use it with an external set-top box or Tivo S3 for cable HD reception.

Sorry been away a while. Didn't see this reply.

These do have clear QAM tuners. It's listed in the manual.

I think I figured it out though.

Thanks!

Pogamoggan

I think I'm seeing that small top line issue on my Westinghouse LVM32-w6, as described by Dweezilz and others here.

I say "I think" because I didn't really notice it until I started looking for it.

I have no idea if the TWC DVR (SA8000HD) is responsible, or even how it could be.

BTW, the Cavs playoff game is indeed on FSN Ohio HD, on TWC/Cleveland "HDBONUS" channel 798.

Wow the Cavs playoff game tonight in HD was the sorriest excuse for an HD broadcast I have ever seen! Did anyone else notice the distortion and pixalation as baddly as I did. when they changed frequencies they must have lowered the packets/power. Looks awful

I think I'm seeing that small top line issue on my Westinghouse LVM32-w6, as described by Dweezilz and others here.

I say "I think" because I didn't really notice it until I started looking for it.

I have no idea if the TWC DVR (SA8000HD) is responsible, or even how it could be.

Maybe that's why I don't see it is because I have the S3. But even then I don't see any difference on my 19" LCD with the standard SA STB. But then I haven't looked for it up there either.

The guide data isn't showing on D* for WBNX-DT 30. Is anyone receiving this channel ota? Nothing here on 30-1 or 55-1.
I don't know whether I'm getting now OTA, but I had been, pretty well too. But it looks like Veronica Mars may be on the chopping block which would take any reason for watching it away.

Just wanted to give an update on my previously mentioned troubles in getting an HD DVR from TW. I stopped by the Kent office yesterday and the very helpful folks there told me that they had just received the ok to start handing them out. So I swapped our two DVRs for two HD DVRs and our 13 week wait is over. :)

On another note, I have a black line on certain channels (all channels < 100) on the left of the screen between the picture and the grey sidebar. All other channels look great. Its similar in size to the previously mentioned black bar someone else was having across the top of the picture.

dan

OK, on my 30" Sony Wega I see a black line on top and one on both sides and bottom when watching HD live. I can't honestly say this is different but I assume it could be.

No lines at all however watching HD on the 19" Sanyo HD LCD.

I don't know whether I'm getting now OTA, but I had been, pretty well too. But it looks like Veronica Mars may be on the chopping block which would take any reason for watching it away.

Even if it were, why would you not continue to finish this season if you like the show? :confused:

No word on whether it will or won't be back until the end of May.

OK, on my 30" Sony Wega I see a black line on top and one on both sides and bottom when watching HD live. I can't honestly say this is different but I assume it could be.

No lines at all however watching HD on the 19" Sanyo HD LCD.

I sure wish my 37" LVM-37w3 Westinghouse had more screen format options. I guess that's why a 1080p LCD costs only $1000! :) My only choices are no overscan or FILL which is 7%. With no overscan, these bars become pretty obvious up close but still, from a distance it's not as noticable. How much overscan do you have set on that 30" Sony? Prob. around 7% I'd guess. I can deal with 7% should the bar or garbage on top ever become bothersome. When there's garbage on top though, it's definately bothersome. The bar isn't too bad from a distance of 7 or 8 feet. I just wish I knew why this is happening. I'm starting to think that it has something to do with the software update on the SA box as Brett had mentioned. Maybe if they put the new update back on the box it'll fix this issue.

Any word on the antenna problems with WVIZ-DT or equipment upgrades for WEAO-DT. I'd like to see PBS HDTV programming widely available in NE Ohio.

Any word on the antenna problems with WVIZ-DT or equipment upgrades for WEAO-DT. I'd like to see PBS HDTV programming widely available in NE Ohio.

They don't have their tower issue resolved yet.

This didn't come as a big surprise, it was mentioned when INHD2 went off the air.

INHD is now called MOJO. Not a big deal, but I did like using their "Tune Up" for adjusting my HDTV. They only give the schedule for a week at a time, I hope they haven't abandoned this for their new format.

This didn't come as a big surprise, it was mentioned when INHD2 went off the air.

INHD is now called MOJO. Not a big deal, but I did like using their "Tune Up" for adjusting my HDTV. They only give the schedule for a week at a time, I hope they haven't abandoned this for their new format.

Old news. I talked about this back in December.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9291855&&#post9291855

Old news. I talked about this back in December.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9291855&&#post9291855

Ummmm...I didn't say it was news. I said it was no surprise, it had been talked about.

What I was wondering was if they were going to continue their HD Tune up. I guess you missed the point of my post. :)

Ummmm...I didn't say it was news. I said it was no surprise, it had been talked about.

What I was wondering was if they were going to continue their HD Tune up. I guess you missed the point of my post. :)

HDNet still supplies a test pattern sequence, 6:50AM on Sunday. I have used both in the past, not sure which one I preferred more, since it has been a while.

HDNet still supplies a test pattern sequence, 6:50AM on Sunday. I have used both in the past, not sure which one I preferred more, since it has been a while.

You could DVR the test patterns for future reference. It's not a perfect solution but it's darned close.

You could DVR the test patterns for future reference. It's not a perfect solution but it's darned close.
If your DVR is a DBS receiver (E* or D*) that would be a perfect solution. This is because the DBS DVR's record the digital signal without D/A and/or A/D converters. The recorded signal is exactly what was received live.

I fixed your statement for you:

If your DVR records a digital signal without D/A and/or A/D conversion then it is the perfect solution. The recorded signal is exactly what was received live.

I fixed your statement for you:
Thanks. Are there any DVR's that record direct to digital besides the DBS boxes?

I really want to support WEWS in their transition to HD news. Truly I do. But again today the voice was so out of synche with the picture it was unwatchable.

Gary16, what in the heck is going on over there? Do they have to have a custom made part to fix this problem? That would be the only reason I can see for this to keep on happening.

Also if the problem is caused by the Dolby 5.1 why not just shut the Dolby 5.1 down during the news and bring it back up when Wheel comes on. This plain doesn't make sense.

I was forced to turn to FOX and no sooner did I switch, there it was, another story about A.I. I'm seriously thinking about tuning to non hd WOIO things are getting that bad! :(

Same problem hear. I noticed again last night during Boston Legal that they have major audio sync problems. Why can't the people at WEWS get their act together?

Thanks. Are there any DVR's that record direct to digital besides the DBS boxes?


Sure, I bet there are even some home brew ones that use ATSC tuner cards besides the obvious TiVo Series 3 and other cable company provided DVRs like ones from Scientific Atlanta, Motorola, and others.

Pretty much any ATSC, digital cable, or DBS DVR has the ability to capture the direct digital stream.

Pretty much any ATSC, digital cable, or DBS DVR has the ability to capture the direct digital stream.

Yep. And when you're watching your content through a set-top DVR, you're already watching it through the entire processing chain including the read-write process on the hard drive. Thus a DVR playback of a test pattern will look the same as it did "live" while watching it through the HD buffer process. When you calibrate your set using playback, you'll see the same results as you would if calibrating live through the DVR.

Yep. And when you're watching your content through a set-top DVR, you're already watching it through the entire processing chain including the read-write process on the hard drive. Thus a DVR playback of a test pattern will look the same as it did "live" while watching it through the HD buffer process. When you calibrate your set using playback, you'll see the same results as you would if calibrating live through the DVR.

I've always done it that way. My "failure" is I erase the test patterns after I'm finished. I'm always concerned about disk space and since these things last 10-15 minutes it's really silly not to save them. I like to pause them and concentrate on specific patterns to make sure I've got it right.

The reality of it is if you are watching "live" and using the test patterns through any DVR you arn't really watching live. Everything is recorded first.

The WEWS news technique of 1/3rd center at 4 x 3 and 1/3rd right/1/3rd left at zoomed/combined on their mobile shots is God awful. Why don't they use the side bars like all the other 4 x 3 news shots?
JJK

Hey hookbill,

After months of reading about how much you love your Tivo s3, I finally bit the bullet on the 499 deal. I must say that evrything you have said about the s3 is true. This unit is a real thing of beauty.
I live in Lorain County where we have TWC (Former Comcast). I stopped in to my closest TWC office (Elyria) to inquire about cable cards, and they quoted me $5.95 x 2 per month. Does that sound right to you? Almost $12.00 per mo. for the pair seemed a little high to me.
Do you know anything about the new multi-stream cable cards? Are they out yet, or maybe coming soon? I thought I read someplace that if you use the multi-stream card you would only need one in slot 1 to make both tuners active. Any advice on this?

Thanks,
Ben Music

Hey hookbill,

After months of reading about how much you love your Tivo s3, I finally bit the bullet on the 499 deal. I must say that evrything you have said about the s3 is true. This unit is a real thing of beauty.
I live in Lorain County where we have TWC (Former Comcast). I stopped in to my closest TWC office (Elyria) to inquire about cable cards, and they quoted me $5.95 x 2 per month. Does that sound right to you? Almost $12.00 per mo. for the pair seemed a little high to me.
Do you know anything about the new multi-stream cable cards? Are they out yet, or maybe coming soon? I thought I read someplace that if you use the multi-stream card you would only need one in slot 1 to make both tuners active. Any advice on this?

Thanks,
Ben Music

Hey, I'm the Radio Shack of TiVo. You got questions? I've got answers. Some that may disappoint.

OK, cable card prices vary even within the companies throughout the country. I think my cable card price is 2.99 for the first and 4.99 for the second. Not as much as yours and they just went up about two months ago. Coincidence? I think not. The price of their pos SA 8300 went down a buck. Also I have read that some Comcast areas actually charge for an additional tuner! Outrageous.

OK your talking about the two way cable card that will be used in all future DVR boxes, both cable's and TiVo's. That card will work with your TiVo but you will still need two of them and unfortunately they will not work two way. The S3's hardware is designed only to work one way so no matter what software they put in it there will be no way to use "on demand" features.

However you still may be able to order ppv and such by phone. I don't use it but you might. I say "might" because some areas say yes, others no. I think we can because I ordered MLB and I get that just fine on the S3.

Now I don't know if you've had your cable cards installed yet or if they will let you do it yourself. This varys from office to office as well. But if you have an installer out make sure he follows the instructions EXACTLY like they say on the sheet. I don't care if you gotta threaten him with a baseball bat. No variation. They are easy instructions and if you let them know how serious you are they will probably just hand the cards to you. That's fine, they can do the call in. :)

Anyway you got a great deal and I'm totally jealous as I paid the whole 800 bucks for mine, but I would still do it again as I feel it was worth every penny to get rid of that SA 8300.

Enjoy!

Added: We are currently receiving an update to version 8.3. It seems to be a bit of a slow roll out but it will have search by HD categories. I've received mine already and it's really cool. Plus the guide is much faster and program search is fater too.

If your still running 8.00 or 8.01 have it do a couple of calls to get it to catch up. If you see "pending restart" on you system info screen then do a restart so you can get the update installed. If you don't it will restart itself around 3:00 am.

Added: We are currently receiving an update to version 8.3. It seems to be a bit of a slow roll out but it will have search by HD categories. I've received mine already and it's really cool. Plus the guide is much faster and program search is faster too.

Do you know if this addresses the rumored bugs with MPEG PIDs?

Hey hookbill,

After months of reading about how much you love your Tivo s3, I finally bit the bullet on the 499 deal. I must say that evrything you have said about the s3 is true. This unit is a real thing of beauty.
I live in Lorain County where we have TWC (Former Comcast). I stopped in to my closest TWC office (Elyria) to inquire about cable cards, and they quoted me $5.95 x 2 per month. Does that sound right to you? Almost $12.00 per mo. for the pair seemed a little high to me.
Do you know anything about the new multi-stream cable cards? Are they out yet, or maybe coming soon? I thought I read someplace that if you use the multi-stream card you would only need one in slot 1 to make both tuners active. Any advice on this?

Thanks,
Ben Music
Congrats on making the jump to an S3! I'm in North Ridgeville too and TWC quoted me $2.99 x 2 for the Cablecards for my S3. I haven't seen my first bill from them yet, so we'll see what they actually charge.

Do you know if this addresses the rumored bugs with MPEG PIDs?

8.1 addressed that problem. However.....I had a situation with MOJO, formerly INHD where I couldn't receive it. Working with my contact at head end at TW it turned out that a secondary audio track was causing that problem. Once they pulled that stream, no more problem. I did not ask what kind of audio track it was.

This happened before the update to 8.3. Right after they solved the problem I received the update but I have no idea if it would have helped.

The odd thing about this was when it was INHD I never had a problem with it.

Congrats on making the jump to an S3! I'm in North Ridgeville too and TWC quoted me $2.99 x 2 for the Cablecards for my S3. I haven't seen my first bill from them yet, so we'll see what they actually charge.

It will probably be what they quoted. That's what I was saying that whomever is your head end all seems to have different prices. Doesn't make sense and I gotta wonder if it's even legal. But then again if Shell can charge 3.59 in California and 3.19 out here for regular maybe it is.

Still, we're suppose to all be TW NEO. I vote we take KennedyJ's price and make them give that to all of us. :)

8.1 addressed that problem. However.....I had a situation with MOJO, formerly INHD where I couldn't receive it. Working with my contact at head end at TW it turned out that a secondary audio track was causing that problem. Once they pulled that stream, no more problem. I did not ask what kind of audio track it was.

This happened before the update to 8.3. Right after they solved the problem I received the update but I have no idea if it would have helped.

The odd thing about this was when it was INHD I never had a problem with it.

Does Tivo provide their users with a bugfix list with new releases of firmware? It would be nice to know what (if anything) has been improved beyond the features and cosmetic stuff.

Does Tivo provide their users with a bugfix list with new releases of firmware? It would be nice to know what (if anything) has been improved beyond the features and cosmetic stuff.

It sure would. :) When TiVo does an update you usually get a message telling you the primary reason for that update. However I don't recall see anything in that message related to bugs. I could be wrong about that, I'm just not sure.

There is always the TiVo Forum where you can get more information on "bugs" and fixes. One thing I noticed was that wasn't mentioned on the last update was how much faster they made the guide. Usually over in the TiVo Forum one of the guys who work at TiVo will actually tell you what bugs they fixed as well.

As far as "bugs" go the only one I can absolutely say I know about is the audio stream bug you talked about earlier. People talk about all kinds of other "bugs" but if you don't get them yourself are they really bugs? My S3 hasn't really bugged me other then that audio stream thing and TW fixed that for me so they really have some capability to deal with these situations IF you know who to talk to.

One thing I noticed was that wasn't mentioned on the last update was how much faster they made the guide. Usually over in the TiVo Forum one of the guys who work at TiVo will actually tell you what bugs they fixed as well.

Thanks. Glad to hear that they made some functional improvements, Hookbill.

KennedyJ, Ben Music, and other S3 owners: A friend of mine at th TiVo forum just emailed me with some exciting news. It is now possible to activate the eSATA port. For instructions go to the Tivo Forum S3 and look for the link dealing with this.

Same problem hear. I noticed again last night during Boston Legal that they have major audio sync problems. Why can't the people at WEWS get their act together?
It's not the "people" it's the equipment. The "people" you need to bash are the equipment manufacturers. The poor engineers at WEWS have their hands full with all the buggy equipment. Yes, it's not just the consumer who ends up with buggy DVR's - the broadcasters also get their share of the the grief! Share the joy!

KennedyJ, Ben Music, and other S3 owners: A friend of mine at th TiVo forum just emailed me with some exciting news. It is now possible to activate the eSATA port. For instructions go to the Tivo Forum S3 and look for the link dealing with this.
That is indeed exciting news Hookbill! Thanks for the heads up. :D

Do you know anything about the new multi-stream cable cards? Are they out yet, or maybe coming soon? I thought I read someplace that if you use the multi-stream card you would only need one in slot 1 to make both tuners active. Any advice on this?

OK your talking about the two way cable card that will be used in all future DVR boxes, both cable's and TiVo's. That card will work with your TiVo but you will still need two of them and unfortunately they will not work two way. The S3's hardware is designed only to work one way so no matter what software they put in it there will be no way to use "on demand" features.

Multi-stream cards are different than "two way" or "interactive" cards. If you can get one multi-stream card then you're all set on a S3, otherwise you need two regular cable cards. It sounds like these cards are still not yet on the market, but they may be soon.

Multi-stream cards are different than "two way" or "interactive" cards. If you can get one multi-stream card then you're all set on a S3, otherwise you need two regular cable cards. It sounds like these cards are still not yet on the market, but they may be soon.


I didn't know about that. Thanks for correcting me. :)

That is indeed exciting news Hookbill! Thanks for the heads up. :D

Your welcome. And it works, I now have 98 hours HD and 927 SD with the Seagate 500GB eSATA I added. This is just great!

I live in Akron, and have just purchased an HDTV and installed a new rooftop antenna. For the last couple of nights, the signal strength on the cleveland stations drops from the high 80's or low 90's during the day into the 50's and 60's. weather conditions haven't been bad. Just wondered if anyone else has had this happened and had any info. Thanks for any help.

Multi-stream cards are different than "two way" or "interactive" cards. If you can get one multi-stream card then you're all set on a S3, otherwise you need two regular cable cards. It sounds like these cards are still not yet on the market, but they may be soon.

Both the "M" card and the original "S" card are capable of two-way operation if the host device contains the needed hardware. According to the specs, the card queries the host device to see whether it contains a return path transmitter for two-way operation. If the host device says no, the card then kicks into one-way mode. This capability was built into the cards from day one.

Keep in mind that the host device is responsible for 100% of the RF processing, both downstream and upstream. The cablecard only does conditional access and crypto; it operates at baseband and is thus agnostic in terms of one-way or two-way hosts.

WOW is on the move again - pushed out another SARA update on my SA8300HD to version 1.89.20.1

What tipped me off is the word "NEW" appears next to first run shows in the EPG, as well as a star rating for movies. I don't think that was there before.

Checked the diagnostics are there are new screens for SWITCHED DIGITAL VIDEO ! Verrry interesting.

Passthrough mode has also returned. I don't have to keep the SA8300HD locked into 1080i mode anymore or manually switch to 720p for optimum viewing of 720p channels. Somewhere in a previous update 480i channels got screwed up with passthrough, (or did passthrough go completely away?) so I had to force 1080i or 720p to be able to watch TV on the standard def channels.

WOW is on the move again - pushed out another SARA update on my SA8300HD to version 1.89.20.1

What tipped me off is the word "NEW" appears next to first run shows in the EPG, as well as a star rating for movies. I don't think that was there before.

Checked the diagnostics are there are new screens for SWITCHED DIGITAL VIDEO ! Verrry interesting.

Passthrough mode has also returned. I don't have to keep the SA8300HD locked into 1080i mode anymore or manually switch to 720p for optimum viewing of 720p channels. Somewhere in a previous update 480i channels got screwed up with passthrough, (or did passthrough go completely away?) so I had to force 1080i or 720p to be able to watch TV on the standard def channels.

SA is one of the major players in SDV, so implementation of that in a version of their firmware isn't surprising. It doesn't mean that WOW is considering it or even thinking about going there.....yet. If they do, they would be the first in our area.

Your welcome. And it works, I now have 98 hours HD and 927 SD with the Seagate 500GB eSATA I added. This is just great!
So much to watch, so little time!!! I have it hard enough trying to find enough time to watch what is recorded on my 8300....

I live in Akron, and have just purchased an HDTV and installed a new rooftop antenna. For the last couple of nights, the signal strength on the cleveland stations drops from the high 80's or low 90's during the day into the 50's and 60's. weather conditions haven't been bad. Just wondered if anyone else has had this happened and had any info. Thanks for any help.

I live in Akron and haven't noticed any change. I checked the signal levels, and they appear the same.

However, I've noticed a lot of pixelation on WBNX-DT. Has anyone else noticed this?

So much to watch, so little time!!! I have it hard enough trying to find enough time to watch what is recorded on my 8300....

Well, Summer is coming and I really wish I could have had this at the start of the Fall Season. It's nice to have shows that you can kind of stack up for the season.

You mean to say you don't have a eSATA on your SA 8300? You should get one, the Maxtor Quickview is the one I used made specially for it. 20 hours of HD in a week is not much.

[QUOTE=Andrew K]I live in Akron and haven't noticed any change. I checked the signal levels, and they appear the same.

However, I've noticed a lot of pixelation on WBNX-DT. Has anyone else noticed this?[/QUOTE

Yes me too. I've also noticed significant changes is signal strength of WJW-DT at night. It appears to be related to multipath as the signal fluctuates wildly.

[QUOTE=Andrew K]I live in Akron and haven't noticed any change. I checked the signal levels, and they appear the same.

However, I've noticed a lot of pixelation on WBNX-DT. Has anyone else noticed this?[/QUOTE

Yes me too. I've also noticed significant changes is signal strength of WJW-DT at night. It appears to be related to multipath as the signal fluctuates wildly.

I had no errors with WJW until recently. The past two weeks have had occational errors for some reason, normally every 10-20 minutes or so. It is a strong signal from where I live and my antenna is hard wired in the attic, so I know it's not an antenna problem. WJW made some change recently?

I didn't notice problems with WBNX, but I haven't watched it for long periods yet.

I live in Akron and haven't noticed any change. I checked the signal levels, and they appear the same.

However, I've noticed a lot of pixelation on WBNX-DT. Has anyone else noticed this?

WBNX is quite pixelated for me as well, only getting a low 70 signal thru the DISH receiver. My Toshiba 57hm167 can't lock a signal on it at all. Channels 3-1 and 19-1 "faded away" around 8pm tonight.

OTA 55.1 has been booming in in this area as also 67.1. Also analog 11 & 13 Toledo. No problem with any of the others.

JJK

I live in North Olmsted in a high rise on Columbia Rd. just south of I480. 7th floor apartment, living room exterior wall faces south, bedrooms face East. I have clear line of sight south and east from my balcony.

With an indoor Terk HDTVa, I get 5, 8, 19, 25 (with quite a bit of dropout), 43 (most of the time), 49 and 55 (just started getting this recently and there's some dropout). I also get, but don't care about 17. Am considering an RCA indoor/outdoor amplified antenna from WalMart. If it doesn't do any better inside, I can probably run a cable across the room and out through the hole in the wall where the A/C is mounted to get it outdoors on the balcony. I'd like to eliminate the dropouts as much as possible, and hopefully, be able to pull in 3.

Anyone have any opinions?

I live in North Olmsted in a high rise on Columbia Rd. just south of I480. 7th floor apartment, living room exterior wall faces south, bedrooms face East. I have clear line of sight south and east from my balcony.

With an indoor Terk HDTVa, I get 5, 8, 19, 25 (with quite a bit of dropout), 43 (most of the time), 49 and 55 (just started getting this recently and there's some dropout). I also get, but don't care about 17. Am considering an RCA indoor/outdoor amplified antenna from WalMart. If it doesn't do any better inside, I can probably run a cable across the room and out through the hole in the wall where the A/C is mounted to get it outdoors on the balcony. I'd like to eliminate the dropouts as much as possible, and hopefully, be able to pull in 3.

Anyone have any opinions?

I also have the Terk HDTVa antenna, and I've found this to be among the best of the indoor antennas. I purchased a RadioShack U-75R outdoor UHF-only antenna, and it works slightly better but it's much bulkier and requires enough outdoor space for placement. It fits on my balcony, but I can't move it very much, and that spot doesn't have the best reception for me. Therefore, I use the Terk since it's smaller, and I can move it to wherever it picks up the desired channel.

I was looking at some detailed coverage maps. I checked the exact location that you've given me, and you should easily be able to get the following digitals: 5, 8, 3, 61, 43, 55, 19, 17, 49, and 25 (in order from strongest signal to lowest). I've found that 3 and 19 are a bit tricky since those are VHF channels. For me, it's just a matter of finding the right place for my rabbit ears that can pick up both channels.

Since you're on the 7th level and facing southeast, have you tried the Youngstown digitals WKBN-DT on rf 41 and WFMJ-DT on rf 20? I doubt that you'll get enough signal, but it's worth a shot. WOAC-DT on rf 47 is also a maybe, but that's just 24/7 infomercials. Other than that, I can't think of any other channels available for you.

3 is the only thing I just haven't been able to get at all. Since it's on digital VHF 2, I'm not surprised. I picked up the RCA indoor/outdoor at WalMart today. If it's not an improvement, I'll return it. I'm hoping that I can end up picking up NBC with it. That's the only thing I lack totally. The analog signal sucks as well where I'm at.

I hadn't tried the Youngstown stations. Might be worth trying since I'm so high up. I'll let you know what the results are. I have to think that, with the antenna on the balcony facing the way it does, I should be pretty good. I blame most of the problems I have now on 1970's building materials. Brick isn't the greatest thing in the world for allowing signals to pass.

I live in North Olmsted in a high rise on Columbia Rd. just south of I480. 7th floor apartment, living room exterior wall faces south, bedrooms face East. I have clear line of sight south and east from my balcony.

With an indoor Terk HDTVa, I get 5, 8, 19, 25 (with quite a bit of dropout), 43 (most of the time), 49 and 55 (just started getting this recently and there's some dropout). I also get, but don't care about 17. Am considering an RCA indoor/outdoor amplified antenna from WalMart. If it doesn't do any better inside, I can probably run a cable across the room and out through the hole in the wall where the A/C is mounted to get it outdoors on the balcony. I'd like to eliminate the dropouts as much as possible, and hopefully, be able to pull in 3.

Anyone have any opinions?What you need is a window facing towards the transmitters. Being outside on the balcony is a plus, however aiming through glass (but not through a screen) is almost as good. Aiming through brick & mortar OTOH will cause dropouts.

[QUOTE=TLaz]

I had no errors with WJW until recently. The past two weeks have had occational errors for some reason, normally every 10-20 minutes or so. It is a strong signal from where I live and my antenna is hard wired in the attic, so I know it's not an antenna problem. WJW made some change recently?

I didn't notice problems with WBNX, but I haven't watched it for long periods yet.
The increase in foliage may be the culprit, especially on UHF stations (which includes WJW-DT on rf 31).

Hey TimSH, I would have to agree with Michael. You're only 11.25 miles from the transmitter for WKYC-DT and you're on the 7th floor, so you shouldn't have any problems. Just make sure you have an appropriate low VHF antenna that isn't near any devices that can cause interference. Moving your antenna to the balcony should also help by cutting through the building material. The Cleveland transmitters are all east of your location. I'm in a low elevation at 18.7 miles from those transmitters, and I still can get all of the Cleveland locals very well.

Here is a color-coded coverage map for WKYC-DT in your area. I've drawn a straight line from the transmitter to your location.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/thereallefank/WKYC-DT-1.jpg

Interesting results with the RCA antenna so far. I'm going to have to try the Terk in the same location.

I tried it out on the balcony and had better luck with 3. 19, on the other hand, decided it was going to be problematic that way.

Inside, in the Soutwest corner of the living room (exterior wall on south, facing next apartment on west) element positioned roughly in a line from SE to NW, I get 3, 5, 8, 19, 43 and 49. Can't get 25 or 55, which I could get before. I can if I fiddle with it, but that wipes out 19 and 3. I'd rather get the major networks I suppose.

I'll try the Terk in the same location tomorrow (recording Heroes tonight, so not going to mess with it any more right now). At least I proved I can get it. If I would have realized that the opposite corner of the room would work better, I would have just bought a 25' cable earlier and given it a try... oh well. If the Terk picks up just as well in that position, I'll just return the RCA and save the $60. If not, I'll keep it and just remind myself how much I enjoy not paying $40 a month for lousy cable service.

Interesting results with the RCA antenna so far. I'm going to have to try the Terk in the same location.

I tried it out on the balcony and had better luck with 3. 19, on the other hand, decided it was going to be problematic that way.

Inside, in the Soutwest corner of the living room (exterior wall on south, facing next apartment on west) element positioned roughly in a line from SE to NW, I get 3, 5, 8, 19, 43 and 49. Can't get 25 or 55, which I could get before. I can if I fiddle with it, but that wipes out 19 and 3. I'd rather get the major networks I suppose.

I'll try the Terk in the same location tomorrow (recording Heroes tonight, so not going to mess with it any more right now). At least I proved I can get it. If I would have realized that the opposite corner of the room would work better, I would have just bought a 25' cable earlier and given it a try... oh well. If the Terk picks up just as well in that position, I'll just return the RCA and save the $60. If not, I'll keep it and just remind myself how much I enjoy not paying $40 a month for lousy cable service.

Your situation is very similar to mine. Just go with the 25' cable like I did, and that will allow you to place your Terk wherever it works best. For me, the outdoor antenna was too bulky for my balcony, and the very very slightly better performance wasn't worth it. If you play around with your Terk by putting it in various locations, you may be able to find the location where you can receive all channels at once. It took me a while, but I found a spot in my apartment storage room where I can get everything and not have to see the antenna. The Terk is a very compact and good antenna for an indoor. I can now get WOIO and WKYC with no problem here in Akron. Good luck!!

I would also like to say that I wish I could get WVIZ-DT. Their power is not much more than that of a light bulb. I get absolutely nothing from their signal, not even any indication that it's existent. I want to see some PBS HD, so hopefully they'll go full power soon.

I did a little experimenting this morning with the Terk in the same location as the RCA. No joy. Worse performance than where it was before. I will have to do some more playing with them, but it's looking like the RCA is going to be the only thing I've got that works for 3 where I'm at. The Terk is great for the UHF stuff, but with 3 being on VHF, it's just not cutting it. Slightly weaker performance on UHF for the RCA, but maybe 25 will boost their power at some point in the next year and a half. Also, was getting 55 with the Terk. Not with the RCA, but since I don't have small children at home and I'm not into wrasslin, it's not a big deal. Truth be told, I couldn't name a single program on 55.

Still no EPG for WBNX 55.1 on E*. It's been up for a few weeks now. What's the deal? :confused:

I did a little experimenting this morning with the Terk in the same location as the RCA. No joy. Worse performance than where it was before. I will have to do some more playing with them, but it's looking like the RCA is going to be the only thing I've got that works for 3 where I'm at. The Terk is great for the UHF stuff, but with 3 being on VHF, it's just not cutting it. Slightly weaker performance on UHF for the RCA, but maybe 25 will boost their power at some point in the next year and a half. Also, was getting 55 with the Terk. Not with the RCA, but since I don't have small children at home and I'm not into wrasslin, it's not a big deal. Truth be told, I couldn't name a single program on 55.

Hey TimSH, I forgot to mention that I'm also using a separate RadioShack amplifier with the Terk HDTVa. It helps for me, so you might want to give that a try. You mentioned that the RCA antenna had an amplifier, so that might be a reason that it's working better than the Terk.

Be careful with amplified antennas, they tend to overload on strong signals. You should not need an amplifier at 11 miles.

A high gain antenna without amplification will do better than a average antenna with amplification.

What happened WOIO? 50 minutes into 'NCIS', 19-1 disappeared ota.

What happened WOIO? 50 minutes into 'NCIS', 19-1 disappeared ota.

No idea, but it went back up shortly thereafter.

No idea, but it went back up shortly thereafter.

It's fine here now too,
thx.

The reception from 19 & 3 has been better than average the last month or so, (except last week during those storms). That is, of course, if the refrigerator isn't turning on or off, and no one is microwaving or vacuuming... ^_^

What happened WOIO? 50 minutes into 'NCIS', 19-1 disappeared ota.

I'm almost glad to hear it wasn't just me. With all the experimenting with the new antenna, I thought it might be a problem on my end.

OTA with 19.1----Occasionally there are anomolies in the world of electronics.

JJK

I'm almost glad to hear it wasn't just me. With all the experimenting with the new antenna, I thought it might be a problem on my end.

Early in my HDTV days I remember beating my head against the wall one Sunday morning trying to dial in 19-1 for the Browns game. It was snowing outside... Could it be the snow? Different antennas, different cables. Nothing worked.

Then all of a sudden, 19-1 was on the air. Back then WOIO didn't turn the digital transmitter on until noon. Doh.

What happened WOIO? 50 minutes into 'NCIS', 19-1 disappeared ota.

Thanks for the heads up Tom. I checked my recordings on the S3 and sure enough 10 minutes missing from NCIS and 15 minutes missing from The Unit.

I was able to get NCIS from Amazon Unbox which will load directly to my S3. The Unit however I will have to obtain from, well let's just say "other" sources. :)

The Unit however I will have to obtain from, well let's just say "other" sources. :)

By "other" sources I'm sure you mean the free and legal path of watching the full episode on the "innerTube." Which is likely faster viewing than from any "other" source. :)

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/the_unit/

By "other" sources I'm sure you mean the free and legal path of watching the full episode on the "innerTube." Which is likely faster viewing than from any "other" source. :)

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/the_unit/

Of course. Yes. Absolutely. Nothing better then sitting down to watch a television show with your wife on your computer monitor. ;)

I saw a HDTV program between 9am and 10am today on WEAO-DT. There was even a local weather alert superimposed on the picture. Hopefully this means that many who live in NE Ohio will finally have access to OTA PBS HDTV programming soon.

Of course. Yes. Absolutely. Nothing better then sitting down to watch a television show with your wife on your computer monitor. ;)

Wouldn't you need to watch a video obtained from other sources on a monitor/display connected to a computer or are you waiting for the DVD? I'm confused since if I need to watch a television show from the internet regardless of source I usually connect it to my TV.

Off-Topic here..But I started a blog in Late March dealing with Classic or Nostalgic Radio/TV in Cleveland and NE Ohio, along with occasional thoughts on current broadcasting topics..it's called Cleveland Classic Media..

http://clevelandclassicmedia.blogspot.com/

Writing isnt terribly deep or scholarly..just trying to make sure the facts I have are correct and having fun with something I enjoy a lot..

Off-Topic here..But I started a blog in Late March dealing with Classic or Nostalgic Radio/TV in Cleveland and NE Ohio, along with occasional thoughts on current broadcasting topics..it's called Cleveland Classic Media..

http://clevelandclassicmedia.blogspot.com/

Writing isnt terribly deep or scholarly..just trying to make sure the facts I have are correct and having fun with something I enjoy a lot..
I saw your blog mentioned on the Ohio Media Watch blog. I saw your name and I thought to myself I "know" Tim from the DBS Forums and the AVS forums :)

Best of luck with your new blog!

Still no EPG for WBNX 55.1 on E*. It's been up for a few weeks now. What's the deal? :confused:


I thought this was automatic through the download. WBNX say they have guide data on the channel, E* says they don't. I told a "level 2 tech" (I say this because they had to transfer me to someone else in the tech dept!) about the issue and he submitted something to the engineering department.

It's just a waiting game now. It really makes it a pain to record anything. I set up a manual timer for Veronica Mars. It was REALLY bad with pixelation though. I think I read others had troubles as well....

Veronica Mars is getting dumped. Don't know when.
JJK

Just an FYI,

I'm getting OTA guide info for WBNX-DT from DirecTV.

I'm getting a very good signal in South Euclid.



I thought this was automatic through the download. WBNX say they have guide data on the channel, E* says they don't. I told a "level 2 tech" (I say this because they had to transfer me to someone else in the tech dept!) about the issue and he submitted something to the engineering department.

It's just a waiting game now. It really makes it a pain to record anything. I set up a manual timer for Veronica Mars. It was REALLY bad with pixelation though. I think I read others had troubles as well....

Out here in North Ridgeville I have the guide info for 55-1 on the Tivo s3, but not Directv. However, I'm not getting any signal on either one. The s3 sent me an auto message the other day that it had found a new OTA station. When I checked it was indeed 55-1, but no picture or sound. The strange thing about this is that when they did there first test using a color bar only screen, it came in fine. I wonder if they are now on the air with low power. Does anyone out here in Lorain Co. receive it with good picture and sound? If not, maybe TWC will add it to their lineup. One could only hope.

Ben Music

Just an FYI,

I'm getting OTA guide info for WBNX-DT from DirecTV.

I'm getting a very good signal in South Euclid.

Hot Dogs! 55-1 is on the guide here too(thx jtscherne). And guess what? I have a signal and it's pretty darn strong. "Reba" is on and just a few minor sparkles so far. Although the show is an upconvert with bars on lt & rt. and most of you know this makes me sad cuz there's no way to stretch an hd signal.

Anyway, I'm glad to see it show up. Nice job WBNX.

I'm also seeing OTA guide info for WBNX-DT...which I don't think I saw the last time I checked.

I was seeing occasional non-signal-related pixellation the other day, but haven't seen it yet on Smallville tonight.

Maybe they've got this nailed down!

Oh, I'm sure WBNX will be on TWC at some point. Heck, they thought cable would be their only feed back in October!

Same here. I was able to watch Smallville in HD last night on WBNX for the first time. I tried last Thursday but all I could pull in was a signal that was wildly varying in strength and was unwatchable. Last night the signal was pretty steady. I only had a couple dropouts during the entire show. It's been a long wait.

Has channel 5 changed anything lately regarding their HD broadcast? I have Massillon cable TV and I can usually bypass the converter box and tune in all the broadcast channels using the QAM tuner in my TV. All of a sudden channel 5.1 is gone. I can tune in all other locals but not 5.1.

I do receive it on my Digital Cable box however. So.....what's up? Anything?

Thanks.

Has channel 5 changed anything lately regarding their HD broadcast? I have Massillon cable TV and I can usually bypass the converter box and tune in all the broadcast channels using the QAM tuner in my TV. All of a sudden channel 5.1 is gone. I can tune in all other locals but not 5.1.

I do receive it on my Digital Cable box however. So.....what's up? Anything?

Thanks.



The WEWS broadcast on 5.1 has been gone for about 6 weeks
As WKYC's 3.1

We now get some great RAP music on 5.1 LOL
And the Animal Channel on 3.1 Bravo on 3.2

Has channel 5 changed anything lately regarding their HD broadcast? I have Massillon cable TV and I can usually bypass the converter box and tune in all the broadcast channels using the QAM tuner in my TV. All of a sudden channel 5.1 is gone. I can tune in all other locals but not 5.1.

I do receive it on my Digital Cable box however. So.....what's up? Anything?

Thanks.

Massillon Cable probably shuffled those missing channels to another QAM frequency, so you'll need to tell your tuner to rescan and reaquire those channels.
If you still can't pick them up after rescanning, then Massillon probably encrypted them by mistake, and you should call their customer service and explain that your local channels should all be "in-the-clear" and unencrypted.

Be careful with amplified antennas, they tend to overload on strong signals. You should not need an amplifier at 11 miles.

A high gain antenna without amplification will do better than a average antenna with amplification.

Antennas and amplifiers are not an exact science. In general it is better to get a large antenna, and a variable amplifier with FM trap. That way you can turn the amplifier up and down and turn the FM trap on and off. You can even get a "UHF" antenna and "VHF" antenna and only amplify one of the two depending on what works better.

Antennas, amplifiers, and traps all involve the acceptance of some frequencies and rejection of other frequencies. A small change in any one of them (including turning/tilting the antenna) can make a big difference in signal quality.

Massillon Cable probably shuffled those missing channels to another QAM frequency, so you'll need to tell your tuner to rescan and reaquire those channels.
If you still can't pick them up after rescanning, then Massillon probably encrypted them by mistake, and you should call their customer service and explain that your local channels should all be "in-the-clear" and unencrypted.



Did it weeks ago

WEWS is on 113.5
WKYC is on 112.1

Antennas and amplifiers are not an exact science. In general it is better to get a large antenna, and a variable amplifier with FM trap. That way you can turn the amplifier up and down and turn the FM trap on and off. You can even get a "UHF" antenna and "VHF" antenna and only amplify one of the two depending on what works better.

Antennas, amplifiers, and traps all involve the acceptance of some frequencies and rejection of other frequencies. A small change in any one of them (including turning/tilting the antenna) can make a big difference in signal quality.
Unfortunately you can't tune an amplifier to only amplify a specific channel. As long as there is one strong channel in the same band it will overload an amplifier, and an attenuator will not help since when you turn the amp down you are also further weakening the channel you want to boost.

OTOH a high-gain antenna can be cut to frequency. You can amplify that antenna separately, if necessary, however it would be better to stack several high gain antennas (precisely spaced). This is how professional installations are done (such as cable head ends or MATV systems found on apartment complexes).

And it is difficult to find an amp with a noise figure as good as the tuner in your new TV. You can tell when you hook up the amp and the picture is worse.
JJK

Did it weeks ago

WEWS is on 113.5
WKYC is on 112.1

Any chance you can point me to any of the other channels? I did rescan the channels and I still can't find some of the other HDs that I used to get. ESPN, ESPN2 and TNT.....are these out there anywhere? Good to see someone else who is on Massillon Cable who know a good amount about this also.

Thanks.

Any chance you can point me to any of the other channels? I did rescan the channels and I still can't find some of the other HDs that I used to get. ESPN, ESPN2 and TNT.....are these out there anywhere? Good to see someone else who is on Massillon Cable who know a good amount about this also.

Thanks.
.

Veronica Mars is getting dumped. Don't know when.
JJK

I wouldn't say for sure....

http://www.tv.com/veronica-mars/show/24272/story/9507.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=headlinessh&tag=headlines;title;0om_act=convert&om_clk=headlinessh

Any chance you can point me to any of the other channels? I did rescan the channels and I still can't find some of the other HDs that I used to get. ESPN, ESPN2 and TNT.....are these out there anywhere? Good to see someone else who is on Massillon Cable who know a good amount about this also.

Thanks.

This could be a PSIP issue with Massilon Cable. There might be a missing CVCT table in the mpeg PIDs for those qams.

Any chance you can point me to any of the other channels? I did rescan the channels and I still can't find some of the other HDs that I used to get. ESPN, ESPN2 and TNT.....are these out there anywhere? Good to see someone else who is on Massillon Cable who know a good amount about this also.

Thanks.

You really shouldn't be getting ESPN, ESPN2 and TNT "in-the-clear" - they are usually encrypted and part of a premium HD tier. Sorry, no more free lunch. :D

You really shouldn't be getting ESPN, ESPN2 and TNT "in-the-clear" - they are usually encrypted and part of a premium HD tier. Sorry, no more free lunch. :D


Those are not part of the premuim tier.

Is anyone in Lorain County able to receive WBNX-HD (CH 55.1) OTA?

Ben Music

You really shouldn't be getting ESPN, ESPN2 and TNT "in-the-clear" - they are usually encrypted and part of a premium HD tier. Sorry, no more free lunch. :D

Well Since I am paying for them I wouldn't say it's a free lunch. On rare occassions I have been recording 2 channels on my DVR and I would switch to my QAM tuner to watch a third. So....it is not like I am doing anything illegal.

Besides I just checked and they are included as part of their HD package at no additional charge. So they aren't actually premium channels. The premiums have never come in over QAM anyway.

Well Since I am paying for them I wouldn't say it's a free lunch. On rare occassions I have been recording 2 channels on my DVR and I would switch to my QAM tuner to watch a third. So....it is not like I am doing anything illegal.

Besides I just checked and they are included as part of their HD package at no additional charge. So they aren't actually premium channels. The premiums have never come in over QAM anyway.

What I'm saying is it would not be wise of the cable company to have ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD, etc. "in-the-clear" because anyone could go buy a TV with a QAM tuner and plug it in the wall, and get those channels without necessarily subscribing to a more expensive digital cable package. The HD package is a "premium" tier so to speak -- in other words you pay extra to get a bunch of HD channels. Now if you had a cablecard equipped TV, and got it authorized by the cable company, then you would be able to pick up ESPNHD, etc. without a set top box. Without a cablecard in your TV, the cable company has no way to "address" your TV and tell it that icicle22 already pays for these channels, so give him his ESPN HD, etc.

Beats me. All I know is "I" pay for it and I am used to it. Whenever they take something away from you it is never good!

Peace!


What I'm saying is it would not be wise of the cable company to have ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD, etc. "in-the-clear" because anyone could go buy a TV with a QAM tuner and plug it in the wall, and get those channels without necessarily subscribing to a more expensive digital cable package. The HD package is a "premium" tier so to speak -- in other words you pay extra to get a bunch of HD channels. Now if you had a cablecard equipped TV, and got it authorized by the cable company, then you would be able to pick up ESPNHD, etc. without a set top box. Without a cablecard in your TV, the cable company has no way to "address" your TV and tell it that icicle22 already pays for these channels, so give him his ESPN HD, etc.

Since I just finished figuring this out on an Olevia 537H, I thought somebody else might find it useful:

81-108 WEAO
81-112 WVIZ
85-101 WVPX
90-1 WOIO-HD
90-2 WUAB-HD
90-6 The Tube
115-3 WKYC-HD
115-4 WEWS-HD
115-5 WeatherPlus
116-1 PBS-HD
116-2 WJW-HD

Hmmm, does anyone have the listing of channels via QAM for Time Warner?? It would be very useful for me if someone could please post it or PM me please.
zip = 44721 (Canton/N.Canton)

Since I just finished figuring this out on an Olevia 537H, I thought somebody else might find it useful:

81-108 WEAO
81-112 WVIZ
85-101 WVPX
90-1 WOIO-HD
90-2 WUAB-HD
90-6 The Tube
115-3 WKYC-HD
115-4 WEWS-HD
115-5 WeatherPlus
116-1 PBS-HD
116-2 WJW-HD

Massillon cable guys: as you can see, Cox has their sh*t together and aren't leaking anything other than Cleveland locals QAM in-the-clear. The lineup above is really all you can expect. Anything else is gravy.

Massillon cable guys: as you can see, Cox has their sh*t together and aren't leaking anything other than Cleveland locals QAM in-the-clear. The lineup above is really all you can expect. Anything else is gravy.


I get all of those except 85-101 WVPX

The others I get are part of the expanded Basic service
At least that is what I was told by MCTV

To make it simple if it is on Basic and Expended Basic we are getting it.

On that Weather Plus I take it that is WKYC we also get WOIO Weather

Here is what I was getting a couple of months ago on my JVC 30" HDTV Tuner with Time Warner..My main TV watching is on Dish Network , but I do have Digital Phone and Roadrunner.

80-1 WKYC 3 NBC Cleveland (Now 101-1)
80-2 WKYC Weather Plus (Now 101.2)
80-3, 108.2 WUAB 43 Cleveland Now (101.3)
94-1 Bravo
94-2 WTOV 9 NBC Steubenville, Oh.
94-9 WYFX 17/62 FOX Youngstown
100-1 WTVG 13 ABC Toledo
100-2, 104-3 WEWS 5 ABC Cleveland
100-3 Discovery
100-4 Food Network
100-5 E!
104-1 WJW 8 FOX Cleveland
104-2 WOIO 19 Weather Now
*107.5 Game Show Network (Recently added)
108-1 WOIO 19 CBS Cleveland
108-3 WUAB 43-2 "The Tube" Cleveland
122-6 NBA League Pass Preview
123-5 WIVM-LP 52 Canton, Ohio
124-1, 124-12 On Demand Previews
124-4 Biography Channel
124-9 Time Warner Cable Ad Channel

124-4 appears to be a rotating "sampling" of various networks..TBS and I think TNT have shown up recently but I am not sure what numbers they are on. Also, Numbers may be different in other TWC areas or even other TV's

Here is what I was getting a couple of months ago on my JVC 30" HDTV Tuner with Time Warner..My main TV watching is on Dish Network , but I do have Digital Phone and Roadrunner.

80-1 WKYC 3 NBC Cleveland (Now 101-1)
80-2 WKYC Weather Plus (Now 101.2)
80-3, 108.2 WUAB 43 Cleveland Now (101.3)
94-1 Bravo
94-2 WTOV 9 NBC Steubenville, Oh.
94-9 WYFX 17/62 FOX Youngstown
100-1 WTVG 13 ABC Toledo
100-2, 104-3 WEWS 5 ABC Cleveland
100-3 Discovery
100-4 Food Network
100-5 E!
104-1 WJW 8 FOX Cleveland
104-2 WOIO 19 Weather Now
*107.5 Game Show Network (Recently added)
108-1 WOIO 19 CBS Cleveland
108-3 WUAB 43-2 "The Tube" Cleveland
122-6 NBA League Pass Preview
123-5 WIVM-LP 52 Canton, Ohio
124-1, 124-12 On Demand Previews
124-4 Biography Channel
124-9 Time Warner Cable Ad Channel

124-4 appears to be a rotating "sampling" of various networks..TBS and I think TNT have shown up recently but I am not sure what numbers they are on. Also, Numbers may be different in other TWC areas or even other TV's

Thanks Tim, I appreciate it. That's pretty much what I am getting too. I subscribe only to analog BASIC lifeline service for like $13/month so...

I was surprised when I was getting Bravo, Discovery, E, etc... Wanted to see if I was suposed to get those in the clear or if I was just lucky. I also wanted to know if I should be getting PBS-HD or even TNT-HD. Guess not.

Some of those channels have been moved though in the last several weeks, so if need be, you may want to do a rescan.

I wonder if I would be able to add any more HD channels via cable-card without subscribing to to their pricey "expanded basic" service. Do you know, or does anyone here know if that's possible?

Anyone else have a problem with WJW FOX 8.1 OTA last night?

I was watching the Cav's live on TNT-HD. Following the game I attempted to watch 24, which I DVR'd. It was completely unwatchable with all of the breakups. :mad: The weather conditions were perfect last night and I very rarely have troubles with this channel. What was the deal?

Wondering if anyone can advise reagarding QAM tuning. My TV does not seem to want to go higher that 110. I am not able to get to anything above that and it appears that is where several of the channels have been moved to. When setting up my autoscan I can choose:

Cable (standard)(IRC)(HRC)

WHich one of these is the best to use with Massillon cable? Standard doesn't return squat. I have found that (HRC) seems to get mose of the digital channels but I end up with dozens and dozens of stations in the 90 range that have nothing on them.

Any help would be great. I tried to go to 112.xx last might to see if I can get WEWS 5.1 out of Cleveland and I can't.

Thanks!

Anyone else have a problem with WJW FOX 8.1 OTA last night?

I was watching the Cav's live on TNT-HD. Following the game I attempted to watch 24, which I DVR'd. It was completely unwatchable with all of the breakups. :mad: The weather conditions were perfect last night and I very rarely have troubles with this channel. What was the deal?


Did not have one break-up out in Twinsburg. Watched it back on my ViP622 without a problem. A lot of times, nicer weather can lead to a worse signal than bad weather. I could be wrong, but I think I have heard that an overcast day is better than a clear day as the signals tend to bounce on the clouds.

Anyone else have a problem with WJW FOX 8.1 OTA last night?

I was watching the Cav's live on TNT-HD. Following the game I attempted to watch 24, which I DVR'd. It was completely unwatchable with all of the breakups. :mad: The weather conditions were perfect last night and I very rarely have troubles with this channel. What was the deal?

Confirming what ClevelandRob says recorded on my S3 via TW, looked perfect.

Screw it. :confused: This season of 24 has been awful anyways.....

Screw it. :confused: This season of 24 has been awful anyways.....

Did you use the SA 8300? Until I got the S3 I thought most of those problems were broadcast related.

Wondering if anyone can advise reagarding QAM tuning. My TV does not seem to want to go higher that 110. I am not able to get to anything above that and it appears that is where several of the channels have been moved to. When setting up my autoscan I can choose:

Cable (standard)(IRC)(HRC)

WHich one of these is the best to use with Massillon cable? Standard doesn't return squat. I have found that (HRC) seems to get mose of the digital channels but I end up with dozens and dozens of stations in the 90 range that have nothing on them.

Any help would be great. I tried to go to 112.xx last might to see if I can get WEWS 5.1 out of Cleveland and I can't.

Thanks!

With my TV, (with TWC) "standard" setting gets me about 400 "signals" but among the "signals" are a few standard cable stations (Channel 71-76) and the digital, as listed above (previous post) HRC and IRC dont seem to work as well..but i'll try them again tonight just to see..

Is anyone in Lorain County able to receive WBNX-HD (CH 55.1) OTA?

Ben Music
Hi Ben,

I am also unable to receive WBNX-HD on the S3 in North Ridgeville. When they first brought the channel up a few weeks ago it came in pretty good OTA. Now, there is nothing. I wonder if Tivo has the frequency wrong in the channel information? There have been reports of this happening in other parts of the country. I'll have to try to hook the antenna up directly to the TV to see if there's signal or not.

Did you use the SA 8300? Until I got the S3 I thought most of those problems were broadcast related.

No, cable is for the birds. I used my trusty ViP622. The problem was with the OTA reception not the DVR.

I have my OTA connected 2 ways. #1: a direct connection to my TV's input. #2: a connection to the DVR input. This allows me to periodically monitor the difference, if any, between a "direct connection" and a connection that is filtered through my 622. (There was drop-outs with the direct-connection also).

Must have had something to do with the lack of clouds yesterday, like Rob said. :D

With my TV, (with TWC) "standard" setting gets me about 400 "signals" but among the "signals" are a few standard cable stations (Channel 71-76) and the digital, as listed above (previous post) HRC and IRC dont seem to work as well..but i'll try them again tonight just to see..

I believe TWC is IRC. Nowadays most TVs and cable boxes just detect the proper version automaticly.

Hi Ben,

I am also unable to receive WBNX-HD on the S3 in North Ridgeville. When they first brought the channel up a few weeks ago it came in pretty good OTA. Now, there is nothing. I wonder if Tivo has the frequency wrong in the channel information? There have been reports of this happening in other parts of the country. I'll have to try to hook the antenna up directly to the TV to see if there's signal or not.

Don't know if it's changed frequencies... I do know it was up then down, then up, then down, then up again.

Every time it disappeared, I deleted the channel, so it may have changed and re-added when I re-scanned a few days later.

As long as there is one strong channel in the same band it will overload an amplifier, and an attenuator will not help since when you turn the amp down you are also further weakening the channel you want to boost.

I must disagree with this assessment. I live three miles from WNEO's transmitter in Salem, OH. I'm about 55 miles from the Cleveland transmitters and about 55 miles from most of the Pittsburgh transmitters. I was unable to receive some Cleveland and Pittsburgh stations that I felt I should receive with my CM 4228 antenna. I decided to install a CM Titan II 7777 mast mounted amplifier. I knew that WNEO would probably overload the front end of my Dish 622 receiver but it was worth taking the risk. The 7777 provides 26 dB of low distortion amplification in the UHF band.

I was able to receive some additional stations, but I was still not getting all that I thought I should. I was sure the front end of the receiver was being overloaded. The station I really wanted to receive was WQED, the full time HD PBS affiliate in Pittsburgh, and it was not coming in. As an experiment, I placed the 10 dB attenuator that was provided with the 622 receiver between the 7777 amplifier power supply and the input of the 622. That did it! I received WQED with a rock solid signal strength of 75 on the 622. I also received the stations I thought I should receive that I could not tune in previously.

I have since refined the attenuation needed for each channel by using a Kay Elemetrics step attenuator that I purchased on eBay. I've attached a picture of the attenuator.

Sorry to keep asking little pesky things but.....did anyone have trouble with WKYC 3.1 last evening between 10-11pm during law and order SVU? I recently swapped out my old Motorola 6412 phase III DVR with a Motorola 3416 because is has a higher capacity. I am concerned it is my cable box.

During SVU (which I watched delayed between 11-12pm) there were hundreds of dropouts. Some were minor, annoying blocks on the screen but audio continued while others were major and the picture would digitally breakup for 4-5 seconds at a time, making me miss important dialogue and plot points. Also, there seemed to be something wrong with the audio. It sounded like a transistor radio behind a blanket. The commercials were normal however so I am wondering if there was a problem with the program feed.

Thanks in advance.

Sorry to keep asking little pesky things but.....did anyone have trouble with WKYC 3.1 last evening between 10-11pm during law and order SVU? I recently swapped out my old Motorola 6412 phase III DVR with a Motorola 3416 because is has a higher capacity. I am concerned it is my cable box.
Thanks in advance.

We had WKYC on last night for a short time and it was full of dropouts. I tried to watch 3-2 for a weather update but it was unwatchable. I think it was due to the storms. Everything is fine now.

Thanks! I feel better.


We had WKYC on last night for a short time and it was full of dropouts. I tried to watch 3-2 for a weather update but it was unwatchable. I think it was due to the storms. Everything is fine now.

Thanks! I feel better.

Not to make you feel bad but I have to tell you I went through my recording of L&O SUV and CI for good measure and I didn't see any break up or hear any sound problems. Of course I did FF through it but the type of break ups your talking about I would have seen. TW cable via TiVo S3.

I must disagree with this assessment. I live three miles from WNEO's transmitter in Salem, OH. I'm about 55 miles from the Cleveland transmitters and about 55 miles from most of the Pittsburgh transmitters. I was unable to receive some Cleveland and Pittsburgh stations that I felt I should receive with my CM 4228 antenna. I decided to install a CM Titan II 7777 mast mounted amplifier. I knew that WNEO would probably overload the front end of my Dish 622 receiver but it was worth taking the risk. The 7777 provides 26 dB of low distortion amplification in the UHF band.

I was able to receive some additional stations, but I was still not getting all that I thought I should. I was sure the front end of the receiver was being overloaded. The station I really wanted to receive was WQED, the full time HD PBS affiliate in Pittsburgh, and it was not coming in. As an experiment, I placed the 10 dB attenuator that was provided with the 622 receiver between the 7777 amplifier power supply and the input of the 622. That did it! I received WQED with a rock solid signal strength of 75 on the 622. I also received the stations I thought I should receive that I could not tune in previously.

I have since refined the attenuation needed for each channel by using a Kay Elemetrics step attenuator that I purchased on eBay. I've attached a picture of the attenuator.

That is a perfect example of how the combination of antenna/pointing, amplifier, and attenuator can work together to get the signal you are looking for. Keep in mind however, that if the amplifier was not adjustable then the adjustable attenuator may have just been negating a portion of the amplification. Like 3 steps forward - 2 steps back.

But the process can be further fine tuned if you have two different antennas of different sizes, different types, pointed differently, and/or amplified differently. You could end up with one that receives Cleveland great, one that receives Pittsburgh great, and by summing them together get one signal that is acceptable for both.

Don't know if it's changed frequencies... I do know it was up then down, then up, then down, then up again.

Every time it disappeared, I deleted the channel, so it may have changed and re-added when I re-scanned a few days later.

Last night I checked and still had no signal on 55-1. I re-ran a channel scan on the S3 and then checked for signal strength a second time. It didn't tell me that it changed anything with WBNXDT, but it now showed up with a pretty decent 80% lock. Thanks for the tip!

Just an FYI,

I'm getting OTA guide info for WBNX-DT from DirecTV.

I'm getting a very good signal in South Euclid.

I'm not getting the guide data for 55-1 from DirecTV. Is there something I can do to get it? What receiver do you have? I'm using the HR10-250.

I'm using the HR-20. It just showed up one day, so I don't know why you aren't getting the data.

Just tuned into WBNX-DT OTA here, with no problem... I haven't noticed it being down. It also has the PSIP-based guide data, and has for a week or two...

I'm not getting the guide data for 55-1 from DirecTV. Is there something I can do to get it? What receiver do you have? I'm using the HR10-250.

Still no guide data from E* either, using ViP622. There is obviously a problem here and it is getting pretty inexcusable at this point. :mad:

Good thing I don't watch anything on the WB anyways. :D And by not having the guide available it sure doesn't help the cause.

BTW, what is the point of 55.1, 55.2, 55.3? All simultaneously broadcasting the same thing on all three channels. What a waste!

Still no guide data from E* either, using ViP622. There is obviously a problem here and getting pretty inexcusable at this point. :mad:

I've called DiSH several times about the matter. They say they are looking into it.

I'm not getting the guide data for 55-1 from DirecTV. Is there something I can do to get it? What receiver do you have? I'm using the HR10-250.

I just checked and I'm getting the guide data on my HR20 for 55 and 55-1. Maybe you need to unplug the receiver/cold boot to force it to redownload the guide data?

cneubert,
the guide data for 55-1 is showing on the hr10-250 (but not 55.2,55.3). Are u receiving data for the other Cleveland channels(3-1,8-1,19-1...)?

I'm a few days late to the party, but my SA8300HD DVR'd 24 on FOX with no issues at all.

Also, Time Warner updated the software again yesterday. At first I thought there was something wrong with my box because the picture kept going in and out on HDMI with the unauhtorized message, but after I rebooted, it was fine and it was then that I discovered that it had the new software. Looks like we didn't have to wait over a year this time...let's how they finally keep it!!

Anyone ever been to the Mayfield Hts. Boneyard yet?

I have been there a few times to eat and went last night to specifically watch the Cav's game and throw down a few adult beverages. Upon leaving I can honestly say it is without a doubt one of the best places to watch a sporting event!

The reason.... There is 5 large 16:9 projection screens that you can see from anywhere in the bar/eating area. All are powered by HD projectors and are capable of showing different games on each screen. 4 smaller screens (150" each) flank the main screen in the middle. The main screen is 300" (25 foot) diagonal! :eek: Are you kidding me?! This has got to be the largest public HD screen in the nation! Another thing is that they unplug the jukebox at the start of a game and broadcast the play-by-play through the bar's speakers.

They have quite a thing going here. I can't imagine going to another bar and watching a game on a 4:3 SD TV anymore. Anyone have any other experiences of HD at bars?

Anyone ever been to the Mayfield Hts. Boneyard yet?

I have been there a few times to eat and went last night to specifically watch the Cav's game and throw down a few adult beverages. Upon leaving I can honestly say it is without a doubt one of the best places to watch a sporting event!


I have to agree. It is awesome for that reason alone...

One tip, though, if you plan to eat a meal... eat someplace else first. Stick to snacks and your favorite adult beverage there (with a designated driver, of course). The food is less than spectacular in my opinion.

Keep in mind however, that if the amplifier was not adjustable then the adjustable attenuator may have just been negating a portion of the amplification.

The 7777 amplifier is not adjustable. It provides 26 dB of amplification in the UHF band full time.

I took some screen shots of the digital stations I receive early yesterday evening.
Here's the link to 'em:

http://picasaweb.google.com/salemtubes/Screen_Shots_051607?authkey=UWlXghA-GmI

I do not receive channel 4 full time. Its transmitter is 70 miles away, just southeast of Pittsburgh.

Anyone ever been to the Mayfield Hts. Boneyard yet?

I have been there a few times to eat and went last night to specifically watch the Cav's game and throw down a few adult beverages. Upon leaving I can honestly say it is without a doubt one of the best places to watch a sporting event!

The reason.... There is 5 large 16:9 projection screens that you can see from anywhere in the bar/eating area. All are powered by HD projectors and are capable of showing different games on each screen. 4 smaller screens (150" each) flank the main screen in the middle. The main screen is 300" (25 foot) diagonal! :eek: Are you kidding me?! This has got to be the largest public HD screen in the nation! Another thing is that they unplug the jukebox at the start of a game and broadcast the play-by-play through the bar's speakers.

They have quite a thing going here. I can't imagine going to another bar and watching a game on a 4:3 SD TV anymore. Anyone have any other experiences of HD at bars?
Thanks for the review! I have decided to not renew my NFL Sunday Ticket this year and have been looking for a great place to go see my Bengals. :D I will definitely go check it out. I can't wait for football!

Thanks for the review! I have decided to not renew my NFL Sunday Ticket this year and have been looking for a great place to go see my Bengals. :D I will definitely go check it out. I can't wait for football!

The Bungles? Are you kidding me? This is Brown's town!

BTW, thanks for Steinbach. He will look real nice in Brown and Orange, lined up next to J.Thomas!

I have to agree. It is awesome for that reason alone...

One tip, though, if you plan to eat a meal... eat someplace else first. Stick to snacks and your favorite adult beverage there (with a designated driver, of course). The food is less than spectacular in my opinion.

I agree it's no Morton's Steak-House, but I will have to say the food is above average for a bar.

The 7777 amplifier is not adjustable. It provides 26 dB of amplification in the UHF band full time.

Your improved reception with these components has intrigued me, unfortunately, I am a little lost as to the mechanics (well actually electronics) of how this works. I looked up the 7777 amp on the CM website and it did say it amplifies VHF and UHF separately (therefore adjustable?). But what is it that the attenuator does? I do have an amplified antenna, but I just can't keep a lock on the majority of the digitals (I'm 23 miles from the antenna farm). Do you dial in this step attenuator everytime you change a channel? Is it powered? Are regular attenuators something I can get at Radio Shack just to see if it improves my reception? Like I said, just trying to understand this in the hopes I could benefit from it as well.

cneubert,
the guide data for 55-1 is showing on the hr10-250 (but not 55.2,55.3). Are u receiving data for the other Cleveland channels(3-1,8-1,19-1...)?

I get guide data for all of the other Cleveland Channels. I have tried re-scanning for Channels and rebooting and still no luck. I have 2 HR10's and neither is getting the guide data for 55-1. The DirecTV low-def 55 DOES have guide data.

Did enyoneone else have trouble with NBC-HD on TW last night? Ready to watch ER then at exactly 10:00 it went black and my tv said "channel not available". Had to watch the season finale in SD :(. I went to bed at 12:30 and it was still not there. This morning at 8:30 I decided to check it and it was back on. Does anyone know waht happened? This is Time Warner QAM channel 101.1

I have to agree. It is awesome for that reason alone...

One tip, though, if you plan to eat a meal... eat someplace else first. Stick to snacks and your favorite adult beverage there (with a designated driver, of course). The food is less than spectacular in my opinion.

One more thing about the Boneyard - when the weather is nice, they have an outdoor patio facing Mayfield Rd. with a few Panny 42" plasmas out there. They had ESPN in actual HD instead of SD stretch like so many bars do. The patio is covered so you can be out there even if it rains.

Not sure if it's been mentioned here, but I found this sticky yesterday:

"CBS Doubles HD Coverage Of NFL
The network says it will show five or six games each week in high-def. "

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=838266

So the chances of seeing our Browns in HD has greatly improved !

The Bungles? Are you kidding me? This is Brown's town!

BTW, thanks for Steinbach. He will look real nice in Brown and Orange, lined up next to J.Thomas!
Whodey! The Bungles died four years ago. It could be worse. At least I’m not a Steeler fan!

No doubt about it, the Browns have had an amazing off-season. Steinbach was a great pickup. He will be sorely missed by the Bengals. I’m looking forward to a couple of real slug fests in the battle of Ohio this year.

Did enyoneone else have trouble with NBC-HD on TW last night? Ready to watch ER then at exactly 10:00 it went black and my tv said "channel not available".
It must have been a Time Warner thing as I was tuned into 3-1 around 10 PM last night and ER was on. D* HR-20 MPEG4 Local Feed - that at least means that 3-1 was broadcasting OTA OK.

Given I DVR most shows, I can't even go back and watch SD once I realize there was a problem with the HD feed. Fortunately HD is much more stable around here than it used to be...

I noticed on my SA HD STB that in the guide there is no data for Mojo (774) last night. Checked again today and still no guide data. Any other TW people see this?

Data on my S3 is fine, but that comes from a different source.

I have a problem with my HDTV antenna that started a week or so ago. When the leaves seemed to fill in. I have a Winegard 7080p and every station comes in at almost 100% except fox 8.1. It comes in between 70-80. The problem I have is that Fox 8.1 doesn't seem to be a stable signal, it bounces up down from 0-85 and makes it unwatchable. Before the leaves grew in I did not have this problem. What is causing this only on this station? The leaves? I am in the Bainbridge area. Thanks!

I noticed on my SA HD STB that in the guide there is no data for Mojo (774) last night. Checked again today and still no guide data. Any other TW people see this?

Data on my S3 is fine, but that comes from a different source.

Mojo guild information has been off for a few days on my SA8300. The shows are there, just no guide info. TW cable.

Mojo guild information has been off for a few days on my SA8300. The shows are there, just no guide info. TW cable.

I just called customer service. Of course no one has called to inform them this. :rolleyes: They wanted me to reboot my computer, etc. followed by a truck roll. I told them just to contact head end.

If it doesn't get fixed in a few days I'll call my contact at head end and give them a heads up.

Fox 8.1 doesn't seem to be a stable signal, it bounces up down from 0-85 and makes it unwatchable. Before the leaves grew in I did not have this problem.
While the folks at Winegard told me leaves drastically reduce OTA reception, I have been so far surprised that since I installed my Sensar III last fall I have not seen a dramatic drop off of reception of the digital stations as I have very tall cherry trees less than 30' from my antenna. That said, though, I do not get very good reception out of 5.1 or 8.1. 3.1 on the other hand has been rock solid. I have not seen any major difference in my reception over the past month as the leaves have grown in either. So what I'm tending to believe that weather and other obstructions play just as important a part of reception as trees and leaves do. Some days I get 8.1 good enough to watch, other days, its unwatchable. Your antenna is only rated for 15 miles. I would check with antennaweb.org to see how far you are from the transmitters. You might do better with a pre-amp (or amplified) antenna.

While the folks at Winegard told me leaves drastically reduce OTA reception, I have been so far surprised that since I installed my Sensar III last fall I have not seen a dramatic drop off of reception of the digital stations as I have very tall cherry trees less than 30' from my antenna. That said, though, I do not get very good reception out of 5.1 or 8.1. 3.1 on the other hand has been rock solid. I have not seen any major difference in my reception over the past month as the leaves have grown in either. So what I'm tending to believe that weather and other obstructions play just as important a part of reception as trees and leaves do. Some days I get 8.1 good enough to watch, other days, its unwatchable. Your antenna is only rated for 15 miles. I would check with antennaweb.org to see how far you are from the transmitters. You might do better with a pre-amp (or amplified) antenna.

It is also a good idea to check with the antennaweb website for distance, position, and frequency. From your short list, 3.1 is VHF and 5.1/8.1 are UHF. If your antenna (based on size, position, construction) is better for VHF, you may fix this particular problem by adding an antenna made for UHF.

Your improved reception with these components has intrigued me, unfortunately, I am a little lost as to the mechanics (well actually electronics) of how this works. I looked up the 7777 amp on the CM website and it did say it amplifies VHF and UHF separately (therefore adjustable?). But what is it that the attenuator does? I do have an amplified antenna, but I just can't keep a lock on the majority of the digitals (I'm 23 miles from the antenna farm). Do you dial in this step attenuator everytime you change a channel? Is it powered? Are regular attenuators something I can get at Radio Shack just to see if it improves my reception? Like I said, just trying to understand this in the hopes I could benefit from it as well.

I believe what is happening is that the 7777 amp boosts all UHF and/or VHF signals by 26dB. This is rather on the high side, so it may have also boosted unwanted noise. Then by adding the adjustable attenuator (normally not powered), the UHF (and maybe VHF) signals are reduced by a smaller amount, say 10dB. The result may have left some channels boosted by 16dB (26-10), some at 26dB, some (hopefully noise) at -10dB, and some untouched.

These sorts of parts do not have to be changed for every channel. You just have to play a little on several different channel types to find out what combination works for your setup and location.

I have a problem with my HDTV antenna that started a week or so ago. When the leaves seemed to fill in. I have a Winegard 7080p and every station comes in at almost 100% except fox 8.1. It comes in between 70-80. The problem I have is that Fox 8.1 doesn't seem to be a stable signal, it bounces up down from 0-85 and makes it unwatchable. Before the leaves grew in I did not have this problem. What is causing this only on this station? The leaves? I am in the Bainbridge area. Thanks!
I'd guess the bouncing is a multi-path problem that you're seeing now due to the leaves that you didn't have before.

I run a Weingard Square Shooter w/pre-amp and have had some issues with 5.1 bouncing like that. I've been able to adjust the tilt & skew (for lack of a better word) of the antenna when 5.1 was bouncing to get it to stabilize. The trick is then to dial in an antenna position where 5.1 doesn't bounce, but the other channels aren't down to much that it causes reception problems. For my 5.1 issues it seemed to be just certain days/environmental conditions and wasn't a constant factor like leaves.

Next time 8-1 is bouncing for you it might be worth the effort to bring a signal strength meter up on the TV and try adjusting the antenna to see if there's a magic point that works for you & gets rid of the bounce. Your antenna is much different than mine though so you may see less results adjusting, but it can't hurt to try. At least presuming your antenna is accessible.

Actually the range is listed at 35 - 60 miles. Like I said the other stations come in at almost 100% now and before the leaves. 3.1,5.1,19.1 are never a problem and remain stable without any fluctuation in the signal. I just wondered if in fact was the trees while only one station is being effected. I will have to try to go on the roof and see if i can find a sweet spot to keep it from bouncing around. I was originally told that I should have a preamp installed according to antennaweb. I don't because at the time of install everything was coming in fine and the installer and I didn't see the need for it. Does anyone think it would help with this problem and if so what type of preamp should I get. Thanks..

I get guide data for all of the other Cleveland Channels. I have tried re-scanning for Channels and rebooting and still no luck. I have 2 HR10's and neither is getting the guide data for 55-1. The DirecTV low-def 55 DOES have guide data.

I think it's because D* hasn't updated your receivers yet. It's probably the same way they do the firmware upgrades - by receiver #. We have 2 also and they received the upgrades 3 wks. apart(connected to same phone line).

The day 55-1 showed up in the guide, the tuner had been changed to channel 201 during the night, which meant some sort of upgrade took place. Hopefully your guide info will showup soon. Keep us posted.

That's pretty much what I am getting too. I subscribe only to analog BASIC lifeline service for like $13/month so...

Am I understanding you correctly- are you saying that with Time Warner (Akron?) Lifeline cable, I can get unencrypted QAM signals for all the local channels? If there's a reasonable chance of that, I'll have to experiment. I have a Media Center system with a pair of Cat's Eye 150 digital tuners, and I'm pretty sure the software that comes with them can do QAM (although media center can't). But if that works, I'll dump the 150's and get one of those Silicon Dust dual tuners that supposedly remaps QAM to make it work with MC.

The Bungles? Are you kidding me? This is Brown's town!

BTW, thanks for Steinbach. He will look real nice in Brown and Orange, lined up next to J.Thomas!

I have to agree with this guy. Joe Thomas AND Brady Quinn, how awesome is that?

I'll check out the Boneyard when I'm 21...my fake doesn't work outside of Athens. Oh well, 8 months to go.

On a sidenote: Courtside in Athens (the best bar in Athens) shows ESPNHD and other HD channels. Other bars show stretched SD on their flatpanels.

I have to agree with this guy. Joe Thomas AND Brady Quinn, how awesome is that?

I'll check out the Boneyard when I'm 21...my fake doesn't work outside of Athens. Oh well, 8 months to go.

On a sidenote: Courtside in Athens (the best bar in Athens) shows ESPNHD and other HD channels. Other bars show stretched SD on their flatpanels.

You mean to say that you're a minor and you break the law by drinking alcohol with a fake ID. Let me tell you something. When I was a minor there were no fake ID's so we had to find clever ways to break the law on our own.

Kids today. Worthless. :D

Your improved reception with these components has intrigued me, unfortunately, I am a little lost as to the mechanics (well actually electronics) of how this works. I looked up the 7777 amp on the CM website and it did say it amplifies VHF and UHF separately (therefore adjustable?). But what is it that the attenuator does? I do have an amplified antenna, but I just can't keep a lock on the majority of the digitals (I'm 23 miles from the antenna farm). Do you dial in this step attenuator everytime you change a channel? Is it powered? Are regular attenuators something I can get at Radio Shack just to see if it improves my reception? Like I said, just trying to understand this in the hopes I could benefit from it as well.

PTXer, kinglerch's explanation is essentially what I believe is happening. The attenuator may also be helping with some multipath issues. There is a cell tower about a city block away from my home. He wrote:


I believe what is happening is that the 7777 amp boosts all UHF and/or VHF signals by 26dB. This is rather on the high side, so it may have also boosted unwanted noise. Then by adding the adjustable attenuator (normally not powered), the UHF (and maybe VHF) signals are reduced by a smaller amount, say 10dB. The result may have left some channels boosted by 16dB (26-10), some at 26dB, some (hopefully noise) at -10dB, and some untouched.

These sorts of parts do not have to be changed for every channel. You just have to play a little on several different channel types to find out what combination works for your setup and location.

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An attenuator reduces the signal strength. The Kay Elemetrics step attenuator is not powered; it is a passive device. You can buy attenuators at Solid Signal. Here's a link to a variable one that they offer: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=1296F

The 7777 has two inputs, one for a VHF only antenna and one for a combination VHF/UHF or UHF only antenna. Each input is amplified separately. The 7777 amplifiers are not adjustable. I have an FM band Yagi antenna connected to the VHF input, but it does not have enough gain for me to receive WOIO-DT (RF 10). I doubt I could receive WKYC-DT (RF 2) even with enough gain because of interference from KDKA in Pittsburgh. KDKA's analog broadcast is on channel 2. The noise figure for the 7777 is 2 dB, which is the lowest noise consumer amplifier that I know of. There are expensive professional amplifiers that have lower noise figures.

I usually leave the attenuator at 10 dB, but I need to reduce that to 7 dB for Pittsburgh channel WQED, and I need to increase it to 13 dB for WPGH-DT, channel 53 of Pittsburgh, which broadcasts on RF channel 43. I'm probably getting some interference from WUAB's analog broadcast on channel 43.

I know of no reason that you shouldn't be able to receive all of the Cleveland, Akron and Youngstown stations with the proper setup unless there is a hill or other obstruction between you and the stations you are trying to receive. If I were in your location, I would probably try a large combination VHF/UHF antenna along with a rotator. I would not use an amplifier. Foliage alone should not be enough to cause you to be unable to receive the Cleveland stations. It is also possible that you are experiencing multipath, in which case a rotator will be of great benefit.

I'm going to add a high band (VHF channels 7-13) Yagi antenna in the future. I hope to pick up WOIO-DT (RF 10) with it. I'll also need it when the analog shut off occurs in February of 2009. WOIO plans to stay on RF channel 10. WJW, WTOV and WQED plan to move from their current digital channels to their analog frequencies at that time.

Am I understanding you correctly- are you saying that with Time Warner (Akron?) Lifeline cable, I can get unencrypted QAM signals for all the local channels? If there's a reasonable chance of that, I'll have to experiment. I have a Media Center system with a pair of Cat's Eye 150 digital tuners, and I'm pretty sure the software that comes with them can do QAM (although media center can't). But if that works, I'll dump the 150's and get one of those Silicon Dust dual tuners that supposedly remaps QAM to make it work with MC.

Yes. I have lifeline basic... in Canton though. I was having trouble getting a good signal when I first tried and almost gave up, till I decided to add a PCT amplifier/splitter to the line and low and behold I now get the QAM signals. Sometimes I get breakups on the signal and don't know if that's normal with cable or if it's because I'm barely getting a signal due to the fact that I shouldn't be. I really don't know, but good luck in your endevor.

An attenuator reduces the signal strength. The Kay Elemetrics step attenuator is not powered; it is a passive device. You can buy attenuators at Solid Signal.
Salemtube, Thanks for the explanation. This seems like something I should experiment around with. It does appear from my analog stations that I do have some multi-path issues. While I do have tall trees and a medium hill in my way, I do get most of the Cleveland digitals off and on depending on the day (or weather). The small stealth antenna that I have may not be the best for my situation, but the wife didn't want a big antenna on top of the house :) . Once the analog transmissions go away and the spotty digital reception gets to be annoying, maybe she'll let me try a bigger antenna (and a rotor too). Again thanks for the details. The theory of reducing amplification may be what I need since I am right on the fringe area of short distance antenna and medium to long distance antenna.

BTW, what is the point of 55.1, 55.2, 55.3? All simultaneously broadcasting the same thing on all three channels. What a waste!

It would appear that the plan is:

55.1 - WBNX-HD (CW HD in primetime, SD upconverted to 1080i)
55.2 - WBNX-DT (SD 480i, I'm presuming, meant to feed cable systems a 24/7 SD feed)
55.3 - WBNX-3 (perhaps the long-rumored "second channel", SD 480i, to do such things as run Rev. Angley's TV shows and other programming...this got brought up on his "Ninety and Nine Club" a ways back, in part in response to the main channel moving the show out of prime time to run "Friends" reruns)

I suspect at one point, WBNX-DT 55.2 will go away. Remember, WKYC did this on 3.2 before WeatherPlus showed up.

Oh, and WBNX isn't a WB affiliate anymore, since the network doesn't exist :D It's The CW now, of course, which really isn't any more relevant to me after the name change...

I have a problem with my HDTV antenna that started a week or so ago. When the leaves seemed to fill in. I have a Winegard 7080p and every station comes in at almost 100% except fox 8.1. It comes in between 70-80. The problem I have is that Fox 8.1 doesn't seem to be a stable signal, it bounces up down from 0-85 and makes it unwatchable. Before the leaves grew in I did not have this problem. What is causing this only on this station? The leaves? I am in the Bainbridge area. Thanks!

I used to have problems with a certain channel bouncing up and down too. It turned out to be that the signal was too strong. I got a variable attenuator from Radio Shack and dialed it down a bit and that stabilized it. The fact that you are getting 100% on all other channels makes me think that this could be your problem as well and it probably wouldn't hurt those channels if you reduced the signal strength a bit. Maybe the weather is giving you better reception or fox's signal output has been changed to make the signal stronger than it was before.

It would appear that the plan is:

Oh, and WBNX isn't a WB affiliate anymore, since the network doesn't exist :D It's The CW now, of course, which really isn't any more relevant to me after the name change...

Well, not exactly.

Warner Brothers still has an interest in it, along with CBS. Hence the CW name. :)

It would appear that the plan is:

55.1 - WBNX-HD (CW HD in primetime, SD upconverted to 1080i)
55.2 - WBNX-DT (SD 480i, I'm presuming, meant to feed cable systems a 24/7 SD feed)
55.3 - WBNX-3 (perhaps the long-rumored "second channel", SD 480i, to do such things as run Rev. Angley's TV shows and other programming...this got brought up on his "Ninety and Nine Club" a ways back, in part in response to the main channel moving the show out of prime time to run "Friends" reruns)

I suspect at one point, WBNX-DT 55.2 will go away. Remember, WKYC did this on 3.2 before WeatherPlus showed up.

Oh, and WBNX isn't a WB affiliate anymore, since the network doesn't exist :D It's The CW now, of course, which really isn't any more relevant to me after the name change...

Why would WBNX-DT need to have a SD channel on 55-2 if other channels don't have it? That sounds like an extremely stupid idea in that it would waste valuable space for HD content.

Whatever they decide to do as far as multicasting, I hope that they put some decent programming on their other channel. Someone had mentioned retro programming, which I would really like, but I don't know how anyone would've gotten this idea or if that speculation has any merit.

I went to a website to check the specs for the 7777 and they indeed stated 2.0 db noise figure. This would in practicality put your receiver in the -100 dbm range for 20 db quieting. (900 mghz) This would compare with a $100,000.00 parametric amplifier in the same frequency range. I would have to test that baby myself to see if they are maybe pulling my leg a little bit. A noise figure of 6 or 8 db would put you around -85 dbm for 20 db quieting. Well what the hell, I'll buy it anyway.
JJK

Is it my receiver's problem or is WQHS-DT off air?

Is it my receiver's problem or is WQHS-DT off air?

We weren't getting the digital version(61-1) last night but the analog was up. I just checked and 61-1 is still out. The only good news -- it's not Tony's receiver... ^_^

Hi guys, I'm new in the area and this forum came up in a search. I'm a Time Warner customer and I was wondering if there were any rumors concerning CW in HD via TW.

It's a large thread so if it's already been asked, I apologize in advance. :)

Hi guys, I'm new in the area and this forum came up in a search. I'm a Time Warner customer and I was wondering if there were any rumors concerning CW in HD via TW.

It's a large thread so if it's already been asked, I apologize in advance. :)

As of yet I haven't heard anything. Maybe if they don't have it by next fall I may attempt to put a small antenna on my S3 just for that one station. That is if I can convince my wife. :)

Why would WBNX-DT need to have a SD channel on 55-2 if other channels don't have it? That sounds like an extremely stupid idea in that it would waste valuable space for HD content.


Back In The Day (HDTV-wise), WKYC used to waste 3-2 for an SD 480i feed, and used the same excuse about feeding cable systems with it.

At the time, their third subchannel was a low-bitrate weather radar feed.

Somewhere around the time that they added WeatherPlus, they dumped the SD subchannel feed.

Note that nowhere has WBNX announced or even hinted that there will be an SD feed on 55-2. That's just a semi-educated guess on my part, based on the above history, the fact WBNX doesn't have news/weather/etc. to refeed (let alone their own radar), and the labeling of the new 55-3 subchannel as WBNX-3 on the PSIP.

It may not mean anything. They may even put the "extra channel" on 2 and something else on 3. But if they're only adding one subchannel, why 55-3, labeled WBNX-3? That's not a mistake...they had to actively label it that in the PSIP ("WBNX-3").

Hi guys, I'm new in the area and this forum came up in a search. I'm a Time Warner customer and I was wondering if there were any rumors concerning CW in HD via TW.

As I mentioned a few messages back, WBNX had originally expected to ONLY be on cable/satellite (in HD) starting back in October. That never happened, and the on-air DT went up first recently.

It would be a safe presumption that they'll be on TWC eventually, based on the above. But I haven't heard anything, either.

Back In The Day (HDTV-wise), WKYC used to waste 3-2 for an SD 480i feed, and used the same excuse about feeding cable systems with it.

At the time, their third subchannel was a low-bitrate weather radar feed.

Somewhere around the time that they added WeatherPlus, they dumped the SD subchannel feed.

Note that nowhere has WBNX announced or even hinted that there will be an SD feed on 55-2. That's just a semi-educated guess on my part, based on the above history, the fact WBNX doesn't have news/weather/etc. to refeed (let alone their own radar), and the labeling of the new 55-3 subchannel as WBNX-3 on the PSIP.

It may not mean anything. They may even put the "extra channel" on 2 and something else on 3. But if they're only adding one subchannel, why 55-3, labeled WBNX-3? That's not a mistake...they had to actively label it that in the PSIP ("WBNX-3").

Here's a question, what happens when everything goes digital for those without an HDTV if there's no SD subchannel?

This is assuming someone has a digital SDTV.

Here's a question, what happens when everything goes digital for those without an HDTV if there's no SD subchannel?

This is assuming someone has a digital SDTV.

The government is going to give every household two $40 coupons to help pay for the cost of an OTA converter box. I assume the box will have the option to letterbox or crop the main HD 16:9 channel on the old 4:3 SDTV.

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/index.html

As I mentioned a few messages back, WBNX had originally expected to ONLY be on cable/satellite (in HD) starting back in October. That never happened, and the on-air DT went up first recently.

It would be a safe presumption that they'll be on TWC eventually, based on the above. But I haven't heard anything, either.

Well then hopefully by next fall. Thanks for the reply.

I have a TiVo S3 so maybe I can put an indoor antenna and pick it up that way. Anyone else in Chagrin Falls area able to get it OTA with an indoor antenna?

Can someone explain why the numbering is messed up, and how I can fix it?

The channels you're receiving are not the broadcasted channels, but are the QAM ATSC channels that Cox provides unencrypted. There's nothing you can do about the numbering except for getting a cable card from Cox which will map them to where they can be found on the Cox channel lineup.

This all seems pretty strange since you don't subscribe to cable service.

The channels you're receiving are not the broadcasted channels, but are the QAM ATSC channels that Cox provides unencrypted. There's nothing you can do about the numbering except for getting a cable card from Cox which will map them to where they can be found on the Cox channel lineup.

This all seems pretty strange since you don't subscribe to cable service.

Get a cable card? Why that would mean he would have to pay for something! Where's your head at? :rolleyes:

Get a cable card? Why that would mean he would have to pay for something! Where's your head at? :rolleyes:

I deleted the post. Clearly I didn't know that I wasn't supposed to receive those channels, I just thought it was OTA broadcast. Sorry if I caused trouble.