I deleted the post. Clearly I didn't know that I wasn't supposed to receive those channels, I just thought it was OTA broadcast. Sorry if I caused trouble.

If you truly didn't understand what was going on then that's OK. I guess my response is because I do pay a great deal of money for cable/HD and I get a bit irritated when I see someone talking about how they get HD off the cable for free. Even if you pay for high speed internet that still doesn't give you the right to tap into the cable and get their unencrypted stations. Just because they are unencrypted doesn't mean you're still not stealing cable.

Just my opinion and I probably feel that way not so much from a "moral" perspective but by the simple fact that I don't like to see someone get for free what I pay for. It happens all the time. You really didn't need to delete the post I was just giving you something to think about in my usual sarcastic manner. :)

I get a bit irritated when I see someone talking about how they get HD off the cable for free.
Do you really think they would have unencrypted HD channels floating around on their system? While I don't subscribe to cable (Time Warner in my area), I know the HD channels are like the top shelf, premium of the premium plans. I would figure just SD local channels (basic "lifeline" package) are what they leave out there unencrypted. Am I wrong?

Ya, gimmie a break. TW really doesn't give a crap about you watching their unencrypted local tv channels. They make hundreds of millions of dollars from people with their monopoly on cable tv. If anything, it'll probably give people a taste of what HD really is and will make them want more, so then they'll call Warner and order a nice HD package and rent a bunch of boxes for a total of $200 a month for the rest of their lives.

Do you really think they would have unencrypted HD channels floating around on their system? While I don't subscribe to cable (Time Warner in my area), I know the HD channels are like the top shelf, premium of the premium plans. I would figure just SD local channels (basic "lifeline" package) are what they leave out there unencrypted. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. TWC usually have the local digital broadcast channels that they carry (read as local HD channels) unencrypted in their stream along with some channels they sometimes don't intend to leave unencrypted. This is pretty common practice among the big cable operators (TWC, Comcast, etc).

Do you really think they would have unencrypted HD channels floating around on their system? While I don't subscribe to cable (Time Warner in my area), I know the HD channels are like the top shelf, premium of the premium plans. I would figure just SD local channels (basic "lifeline" package) are what they leave out there unencrypted. Am I wrong?

To follow up on what TerryFoster said, when I first got my S3 without cable cards I was able to get unencrypted HD channels, along with some other unecrypted digital channels (like the music channels). The only one I couldn't get was FOX for some reason.

Ya, gimmie a break. TW really doesn't give a crap about you watching their unencrypted local tv channels. They make hundreds of millions of dollars from people with their monopoly on cable tv. If anything, it'll probably give people a taste of what HD really is and will make them want more, so then they'll call Warner and order a nice HD package and rent a bunch of boxes for a total of $200 a month for the rest of their lives.

Well, Smarty-pants (I've been dying to say that) :) yes I think TW does care if you're stealing cable. If you don't think so and you're doing it pm me your address and I'll drop a dime on you. Then we will see how much they care. ;)

Well, Smarty-pants (I've been dying to say that) :) yes I think TW does care if you're stealing cable. If you don't think so and you're doing it pm me your address and I'll drop a dime on you. Then we will see how much they care. ;)

I pay for basic cable Bill so... no theiving goin' on here. I never said they didn't care if you're stealing cable.

There is a reason it's called unencrypted. I guess if someone was not a cable subscriber and was receiving cable and watching it, that could be concidered stealing in the eyes of an ultra-concervative do-gooder.

There is a common term associated with a certain amount of lost revanue taht companies refer to as "shrink". A certain amount of product is going to be used/consumed/stolen and the profit potential for that action is lost. Just like any other company, warner has a shink value figured into their profit margins.
Do they care that they are not squeezing every red cent out of all their customers? I'm sure they do, but let's keep it real. They could really care less in general wether some people are get a few unencrypted channels without bill-pay, because at the end of the day, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

There are many ways you could view this type of situation. One could have the opinion that warner has left their cable attached to the house, so if they want to send any information through that line free of charge then that is on them. If warner doesn't want me to use that line, then they should disconnect it from the house.
To me, that is a viable arguement.
One could also say that warner could put the proper filters on the line, but it's their fault for not doing so.

My brother used to work for TW for many years. They say they audit the lines, but they don't... ever. When it comes down to it, they really DON'T care.

My brother used to work for TW for many years. They say they audit the lines, but they don't... ever. When it comes down to it, they really DON'T care.

When you say your brother worked for TW was it really TW? Or Adelphia? Reason I ask is shortly after Adelphia got taken over by TW they launched a media campaign saying they were going to audit. Now that could have been bs for all I know, but I never saw Adelphia doing that.

When you say your brother worked for TW was it really TW? Or Adelphia? Reason I ask is shortly after Adelphia got taken over by TW they launched a media campaign saying they were going to audit. Now that could have been bs for all I know, but I never saw Adelphia doing that.

It was TW (Canton/Akron). He left maybe about 4-5 years ago. TW actually used to put commercials on tv saying that they were auditing the lines and that if you had an ilegal connection, you could turn yourself in and there would be no penalty or action taken against you. It was toal BS and they never audited the lines.

It was TW (Canton/Akron). He left maybe about 4-5 years ago. TW actually used to put commercials on tv saying that they were auditing the lines and that if you had an ilegal connection, you could turn yourself in and there would be no penalty or action taken against you. It was toal BS and they never audited the lines.

I personally know that a crew is auditing in the NEO area as I type this.

I have a TiVo S3 so maybe I can put an indoor antenna and pick it up that way. Anyone else in Chagrin Falls area able to get it OTA with an indoor antenna?

WBNX-DT is up in the Parma antenna farm with all the other TV stations, and I believe they are running maximum power on their digital station. If you can get digital 3/5/8/19/43, you should get 55 in DT form.

(Well, 3 and 19 are sometimes problem children because they're on the VHF band DT-wise, but 5, 8, 43, 55 and 61 are on UHF digitally.)

I don't recall anyone on here from Chagrin Falls, but an indoor antenna might not be enough from that far out - for any of the Cleveland market stations.

I don't recall anyone on here from Chagrin Falls, but an indoor antenna might not be enough from that far out - for any of the Cleveland market stations.I'm in South Russell, just barely outside of Chagrin Falls. I put up a rooftop antenna to get my local HD. I briefly tried an indoor antenna and found that it didn't pull in any of them reliably, and some of them didn't show up at all.

Has anybody heard anything new with AT&T U-verse in our area?

You may have noticed new ATT "reinventing television" billboards around town... This just in -

Upcoming U-verse rollout dates, from Uverseusers.com:

Los Angeles May 1
Detroit May 21
San Diego June 4
Cleveland June 18
Oklahoma City Aug 6
Sacramento Aug 20
St. Louis Nov 5
Austin Nov 19
Columbus Dec 24
I can't find dates anywhere. Where did you find that? :)

I don't recall anyone on here from Chagrin Falls, but an indoor antenna might not be enough from that far out - for any of the Cleveland market stations.

I am in Chagrin Falls (306 and Bainbridge). I tried an indoor antenna and also a small antenna outside a window. I got most of the UHF channels from Cleveland and Youngstown in the 60% range. VHF was much more hit and miss with the smaller/indoor antennas.

My best results were from a deep fringe (extra large) antenna with amplifier in the attic. I pointed the "UHF" part of the antenna to get Youngstown and the "VHF" part to get the best out of Cleveland. I can now get all of Cleveland, Akron, and Youngstown between 75%-95% strength.

Thanks for the help guys. Seems like some real good people here.

I'm only interested in the one channel since I get the rest of the locals from cable, so I will wait until Fall. If TW doesn't have WBNX by then I'll start with an indoor antenna then maybe think about something else if that doesn't work.

I have a feeling I'll get lucky with the indoor antenna since it's just one station, but who knows? Again thanks for the suggestions.

I live in the Mentor Area. In the last several weeks I have had problems picking up WOIO 19-1 and 19-2 Signal is bouncing 0 to 60.. also 8-1 is getting bad. I have been getting them for the last several years ok What has changed in the last several weeks

Thanks for the help guys. Seems like some real good people here.

I'm only interested in the one channel since I get the rest of the locals from cable, so I will wait until Fall. If TW doesn't have WBNX by then I'll start with an indoor antenna then maybe think about something else if that doesn't work.

I have a feeling I'll get lucky with the indoor antenna since it's just one station, but who knows? Again thanks for the suggestions.


First, welcome to the forum. You're not far away from where I live, but I have no knowledge of the antenna world (long story). However I am also an S3 owner and I too have thought about adding a small antenna in the fall for WBNX. Really there are only two shows I watch on this channel, Smallville and Supernatural and due to conflicts I've been kind of forced to put Supernatural on my DVD recorder. I sure would like to see both of these shows in HD.

If you get an indoor antenna, please post how it works out for you.

Has anybody heard anything new with AT&T U-verse in our area?

Isn't that the thing that's now with the legislature? I mean isn't it part of it?

I know the Senate passed the bill and it appears to me that people are supporting the idea. I know the majority here think it's a bad idea and I'm not trying to stir up political controversy again but they seem to have all the cards on their side in their marketing, and of course that's because they have all the money.

I guess we will find out soon. I do have to say the townships that are opposing this seem to be more concerned about revenue then what is best for their people, even if this is a bad idea.

Isn't that the thing that's now with the legislature? I mean isn't it part of it?

I know the Senate passed the bill and it appears to me that people are supporting the idea. I know the majority here think it's a bad idea and I'm not trying to stir up political controversy again but they seem to have all the cards on their side in their marketing, and of course that's because they have all the money.

I guess we will find out soon. I do have to say the townships that are opposing this seem to be more concerned about revenue then what is best for their people, even if this is a bad idea.
Is u-verse a bad idea?

Look..I pay for Digital Phone and Roadrunner..The QAM tuner is there, people are going to discover it and watch the channels on it. I am not "stealing" anything. As far as audits, I was audited for TWC's FM package years ago..Not sure if its changed much but I am sure they are still auditing customers..As I have said before..If I am not supposed to have the unencrypted channels, they can turn them off..

Look..I pay for Digital Phone and Roadrunner..The QAM tuner is there, people are going to discover it and watch the channels on it. I am not "stealing" anything. As far as audits, I was audited for TWC's FM package years ago..Not sure if its changed much but I am sure they are still auditing customers..As I have said before..If I am not supposed to have the unencrypted channels, they can turn them off..

They can't turn them off- the HD channels have to use the high band that roadrunner and the digital phone also uses.

Look..I pay for Digital Phone and Roadrunner..The QAM tuner is there, people are going to discover it and watch the channels on it. I am not "stealing" anything.

So, let me get this straight. You're using a service that costs money, you're not paying for it, and TWC hasn't authorized you to get it for free.

How is that not stealing? It's like finding a house with the door wide open, it doesn't mean you have the right to walk right in and take whatever you want because you think they should have closed and locked the door to prevent you from doing it. At least have the decency to own up to your actions or be smart enough not to talk about them on an open forum.

I know I have cable tv service running into my house and if I wanted I could be watching it, but since I don't pay for it I have decided to leave it connected only to my cable modem.

So, let me get this straight. You're using a service that costs money, you're not paying for it, and TWC hasn't authorized you to get it for free.

How is that not stealing? It's like finding a house with the door wide open, it doesn't mean you have the right to walk right in and take whatever you want because you think they should have closed and locked the door to prevent you from doing it. At least have the decency to own up to your actions or be smart enough not to talk about them on an open forum.

I know I have cable tv service running into my house and if I wanted I could be watching it, but since I don't pay for it I have decided to leave it connected only to my cable modem.

I really don't think that's a fair analogy. They're piping the signal into your home, you're not going into someone else's home and taking what's theirs.

The burden should be on TWC to at least make some minimal effort to see to it that they're not piping something you should be paying for into your home without your paying for it. Heck, I didn't even realize it was possible to subscribe to their Internet service without also subscribing to at least some level of Cable TV service as well. When I last checked (last fall when I moved), I was told I couldn't have high speed Internet without subscribing to Cable TV.

I really don't think that's a fair analogy. They're piping the signal into your home, you're not going into someone else's home and taking what's theirs.
That's what I was going to say too.

Was anyone pissed like I was that WEWS 5.1 (or the ABC national feed) switched from HD to SD for the last 10 minutes of the Lost season finale??? Way to drop the ball...

Not to mention that American Idle ran late and my wife missed the final minute of the show on the DVR recording. Months of her watching the show and it cuts off when Ryan Toolcrest said "and the winner is..." As much as I hate the show, I felt bad for her... especially since it was her birthday!

Was anyone pissed like I was that WEWS 5.1 (or the ABC national feed) switched from HD to SD for the last 10 minutes of the Lost season finale??? Way to drop the ball...
Yeah that bummed me out too. They appeared to have some audio issues as well. What a GREAT episode though. One of the best season finales I have seen in a while.

American Idle ran late and my wife missed the final minute of the show on the DVR recording. Months of her watching the show and it cuts off when Ryan Toolcrest said "and the winner is..."
That would really suck. I hope she didn't blame you... But that's live TV for ya.

Look..I pay for Digital Phone and Roadrunner..The QAM tuner is there, people are going to discover it and watch the channels on it. I am not "stealing" anything. As far as audits, I was audited for TWC's FM package years ago..Not sure if its changed much but I am sure they are still auditing customers..As I have said before..If I am not supposed to have the unencrypted channels, they can turn them off..

Hey. If you don't feel you're doing anything wrong then that's fine. I could understand that, I'm not perfect many times I've received something for nothing and not said anything about it.

But the fact that you are using a QAM tuner to pick up a signal that you don't pay for still makes it stealing. Even if it's being piped into you're house. You can justify it anyway you like but it still doesn't take away the fact that you are receiving something that others have to pay for.

And if it makes you feel any better I'm pretty sure I would do the same thing to and wouldn't feel the least bit guilty. But I would still know it was stealing.

Was anyone pissed like I was that WEWS 5.1 (or the ABC national feed) switched from HD to SD for the last 10 minutes of the Lost season finale??? Way to drop the ball...

Yes I was really ticked off about it. There have been at least 5 episodes of Lost this season where WEWS screwed up the HD broadcast. I have never seen it happen on any other network, not even once. I blame Ted Henry.

Yes I was really ticked off about it. There have been at least 5 episodes of Lost this season where WEWS screwed up the HD broadcast. I have never seen it happen on any other network, not even once. I blame Ted Henry.

Well, that gives me something to look forward too when I get around to watching that episode. :( Oh well, I'd rather know about it ahead of time that way I won't get too excited when it happens.

I blame Ted Henry.

That was my initial reaction.

I really don't think that's a fair analogy. They're piping the signal into your home, you're not going into someone else's home and taking what's theirs.

I certainly is a fair analogy. Just be cause you have the opportunity and you can justify it by saying they should have shut and locked the door, doesn't mean it's legal to take what you want.

I'll try this one then. It's like using someone else's wireless internet from inside your home just because they don't encrypt the access. It's still illegal (at least in some places), but just because it's there and available doesn't mean it's right to use it.

Like hookbill said, any way you justify it, it's still stealing. You may or may not feel guilty about it, I certainly know I wouldn't have at some points in my life.

TAG-TEAM SOAP-BOX DERBY :rolleyes:

I certainly is a fair analogy. Just be cause you have the opportunity and you can justify it by saying they should have shut and locked the door, doesn't mean it's legal to take what you want.

I'll try this one then. It's like using someone else's wireless internet from inside your home just because they don't encrypt the access. It's still illegal (at least in some places), but just because it's there and available doesn't mean it's right to use it.

Like hookbill said, any way you justify it, it's still stealing. You may or may not feel guilty about it, I certainly know I wouldn't have at some points in my life.

Your point about wireless is valid. And it is illegal in some areas. In others (and in some cases, even where it is illegal) though, the owner is legally responsible for what happens on their network unless they've at least made some rudimentary effort (MAC address filtering or basic encryption for example) to restrict access. If it's left wide open, the owner is complicit in whatever crime might be committed using that network.

(I know this is getting off topic)

It's all a matter of perspective, I suppose. Though I think that TWC would have a hard time if they wanted to press the issue claiming that you should have paid for something they were pumping into your home "without your consent" to begin with. Seems like negligence on their part to me.

I'm sure this could keep a barrel of lawyers busy for quite some time.

Was anyone pissed like I was that WEWS 5.1 (or the ABC national feed) switched from HD to SD for the last 10 minutes of the Lost season finale??? Way to drop the ball...

Not to mention that American Idle ran late and my wife missed the final minute of the show on the DVR recording. Months of her watching the show and it cuts off when Ryan Toolcrest said "and the winner is..." As much as I hate the show, I felt bad for her... especially since it was her birthday!

FYI --- The WEWS feed OTA was just fine. It did not switch to SD at any time during the Lost finale. Believe me... I would have been pissed off too if that happened. There were a few audio troubles. But that seems to be the norm during Lost.

Perhaps the feed to the cable company got screwed up????

FYI --- The WEWS feed OTA was just fine. It did not switch to SD at any time during the Lost finale. Believe me... I would have been pissed off too if that happened. There were a few audio troubles. But that seems to be the norm during Lost.

Perhaps the feed to the cable company got screwed up????

Cable gets it OTA just like everyone else. :confused:

Well, when I get around to watching it I'll guess I'll find out.

Legally, TWC cannot encrypt local channels that are for free over the air. If you have high speed internet access- there is really nothing they can do- you can't block the HD QAM channels without blocking your internet access- both function on the high band. I have had internet through TWC without TV service since I moved to this area in 2002. Maybe they changed the policy since then. I use Directv for my tv.

Legally, TWC cannot encrypt local channels that are for free over the air

There's alot of confusion surrounding this topic and I'm pretty sure they can encrypt local digital channels. Cable operators are required to provide a version of the local channels they carry on the most basic tier of service. That requirement is currently covered by the analog channels. It may be a different story come 2009, but until then most cable operators are offering digital locals unencrypted either as a requirement of the retransmission agreement, generosity, or a number of other reasons.

Here's an excerpt from a FCC document (http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/2001/fcc01022.pdf)discussing the cable carriage of DTV broadcasts:

Begin quote :

132. As discussed above, Section 623(b)(7)(A) of the Act requires that the basic tier on a rate regulated system include all signals carried to fulfill the must carry requirements of Sections 614 and 615 and “any signal of any television broadcast station that is provided by the cable operator to any subscriber. . .”384 We believe that it would facilitate the digital transition to permit cable operators that are carrying a broadcast station’s analog signal on the basic tier to carry that broadcast station’s digital signal on a digital tier pursuant to retransmission consent.

:end quote

I live in the Mentor Area. In the last several weeks I have had problems picking up WOIO 19-1 and 19-2 Signal is bouncing 0 to 60.. also 8-1 is getting bad. I have been getting them for the last several years ok What has changed in the last several weeks
What has changed is the atmosphere. Your WOIO-DT signal is probably getting interference form the analog CFPL-TV in London Ontario. WOIO-DT is transmitted on rf channel 10 which is the same channel as CFPL-TV. I used to live in Euclid, CFPL used to come in nearly as clear as a local channel every summer when the atmospheric conditions allowed the signal to skip across the lake.

Why WOIO wants to be on ch 10 is beyond me. Canadian analog TV will still be on the air long after the U.S. ends the transition to digital.

Your problem with WJW may be due to another Canadian station on ch 31 which is an analog CITY-TV repeater and/or an Ann Arbor ch 31 that I also used to get in Euclid.

To fight the interference you would need a highly directional antenna precisely aimed at the Parma antenna farm.

I ran into a at&t road work crew today at wendy's in Rocky River and asked him if he knew about u-verse and he said that they are installing it today and they have been for a while.He said they are trying a mid-june go live date. I am pretty excited about this because it seems like a good idea and it will save me $50 a month and I will get more service.

Waht exactly is U-verse and where can I learn more?

Waht exactly is U-verse and where can I learn more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Verse

Why WOIO wants to be on ch 10 is beyond me.

It's simple. Raycom, the owner of WOIO, is cheap. WOIO-DT operates its transmitter at 3.5 kW ERP. If WOIO-DT were in the UHF band, it would require far more power to broadcast its signal. By staying on RF channel 10, WOIO-DT will have a low electric bill.

It's simple. Raycom, the owner of WOIO, is cheap. WOIO-DT operates its transmitter at 3.5 kW ERP. If WOIO-DT were in the UHF band, it would require far more power to broadcast its signal. By staying on RF channel 10, WOIO-DT will have a low electric bill.

I don't know if you've seen this in the previous pages, but here is WOIO's digital coverage...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/thereallefank/WOIO-DT.jpg

As you can see, it sucks. The red area doesn't cover much land. Compare it to the coverage for WEWS-DT, which actually has a workable signal over much of the populated area...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/thereallefank/WEWS-DT.jpg

It's simple. Raycom, the owner of WOIO, is cheap. WOIO-DT operates its transmitter at 3.5 kW ERP. If WOIO-DT were in the UHF band, it would require far more power to broadcast its signal. By staying on RF channel 10, WOIO-DT will have a low electric bill.
What good is a low electric bill if they can't get a good signal out to their entire market area? They are counting on cable to fill-in the gaps in their signal which is not a good idea. Right now they have unofficial competition from WKBN-DT which is putting out a fantastic signal which overlaps a good portion of the WOIO viewing area. Unfortunately the WKBN-DT signal is blocked from Lake County by terrain. That area probably has the hardest time getting WOIO-DT due to the skip of CFPL-TV across the lake.

I only wish someone from Raycom could read these facts and change their minds regarding their final digital assignment. The Cleveland market would be best served If they were to go back to ch 19 as digital. Then we would have 15, 17, & 19 as our "big 3" affiliates. A special UHF antenna could be cut to maximize reception on this portion of the UHF band. Since the 3 stations' towers are very close to each other most viewers would see all 3 from the same location.

I only wish someone from Raycom could read these facts and change their minds regarding their final digital assignment. The Cleveland market would be best served If they were to go back to ch 19 as digital. Then we would have 15, 17, & 19 as our "big 3" affiliates. A special UHF antenna could be cut to maximize reception on this portion of the UHF band. Since the 3 stations' towers are very close to each other most viewers would see all 3 from the same location.


Raycom management has "stubborn mule" mentality, similar to a certain occupant of the White House....but I digress.

They are fully aware of their coverage area but they obviously don't think the market at this time for HDTV is still that big. The fact that they set up 5.1 equipment and sent it back right after the Super Bowl is proof positive they do not intend to move to quickly to HD. The only reason they have any HD right now is because the network (CBS) forces them to.

So the only true solution for this is either cable or satellite. Because otherwise nothing is going to change, now or in the future.

I would guess they'll care about WOIO-DT's coverage in 2009, but until then their bread and butter is still WOIO-TV.

The only reason they have any HD right now is because the network (CBS) forces them to.



Thank goodness cuz Jennifer Lov... I mean, the show "Ghost Whisperer" looks great in HD ^_^.

Waht exactly is U-verse and where can I learn more?

http://uverse.att.com

http://www.uverseusers.com

I thought I'd be one of the first guinea pigs to try U-Verse, but the HD quality gets bad reviews. The Microsoft set top box software also seems to be flaky. Since the only thing I watch anymore is HD, U-Verse is a non-starter for me until they fix their issues.

http://uverse.att.com

http://www.uverseusers.com

I thought I'd be one of the first guinea pigs to try U-Verse, but the HD quality gets bad reviews. The Microsoft set top box software also seems to be flaky. Since the only thing I watch anymore is HD, U-Verse is a non-starter for me until they fix their issues.
I think I will still try it because they are giving two months free so I will just keep my cable for two months and cancel whichever is worst.

Yes. I have lifeline basic... in Canton though. ... but good luck in your endevor. IT WORKS! I bought a Silicon Dust HD Homerun box. With Lifeline service and Roadrunner service, I get the following channels unencrypted:
90/21=Music Choice?
101/1=WKYC NBC (3)
101/2=WKYC Weather
101/3=WUAB (43)
104/2=WEWS ABC (5)
104/3=WJW FOX (8)
104/8=WOIO Weather
107/11=GSN
108/1=WOIO CBS (19)
108/2=WUAB (43- twice?)
108/3="The Tube"

I don't get all the channels Tim Lones was mentioning, but maybe more of them are encrypted now. The only ones I'm missing are WBNX (55) and all of the PBS channels (25,45/49), but I get those in analog and rarely watch them anyway.

I think this means the antenna can come down. I'll leave it there for a while just in case, but it won't be connected to my media center anymore. Now, I have to decide whether I need another HD Homerun... :)

In Russell, OH on my Vizio w/ QAM tuner I'm getting less channels than I did in December when I was last home with my TV.

I get NBCHD, CBSHD, FOXHD, ABCHD, Channel 43 HD, WVIZHD and TNTHD, the HD Bonus channel and a ton of music channels.

Gone is Discovery HD Theater. This stinks.

In Russell, OH on my Vizio w/ QAM tuner I'm getting less channels than I did in December when I was last home with my TV.

I get NBCHD, CBSHD, FOXHD, ABCHD, Channel 43 HD, WVIZHD and TNTHD, the HD Bonus channel and a ton of music channels.

Gone is Discovery HD Theater. This stinks.

I have an LG QAM tuner, and was frustrated because everyone but me seemed to be getting Discovery HD in the clear. I have my cable signal split to send to other devices (TV's DVR's etc.). One day I tried taking the cable straight from the wall and into the tuner, and TADA, I got Discovery HD.

After slowly adding the splitter and cables back into my system, I found out that one cable, on another device, had a loose end connector. When I replaced the cable everything was fine.

I have an LG QAM tuner, and was frustrated because everyone but me seemed to be getting Discovery HD in the clear. I have my cable signal split to send to other devices (TV's DVR's etc.). One day I tried taking the cable straight from the wall and into the tuner, and TADA, I got Discovery HD.

After slowly adding the splitter and cables back into my system, I found out that one cable, on another device, had a loose end connector. When I replaced the cable everything was fine.

I have one splitter coming from the basement to this thing all on RG6, compared to the one splitter coming from an RG59 cable all the way outside up to the second floor, this connection should be much better since I moved the TV downstairs rather than being upstairs in my room with a terrible connection that had trouble picking up 19-1 and 25-1 via QAM and occasionally would have trouble with everything except TNTHD. My signal is much better down here, everything is fine, but still no signs of Discovery HD Theater.

I hear about the goodies that some people seem to be getting via QAM (ESPN2HD I think I heard someone say?), no dice for me.

Are QAM tuners more fickle than, say, cable boxes?

If not, this will cause a TON of headaches if/when TWC tries to force All Digital down our throats.

Actually, if that happens, I'm switching to DirecTV and have them re-wire this house optimally for free installation.

Daaag gone... I'm gonna try disconecting my splitters and run a direct line to my TV w/QAM and see if I pick up any more channels. I DO NOT get Discovery HD (though I do get a standard digital version of it), nor do I get TNT HD, or even PBS HD. So keeping fingers crossed and will probably try it tonight whenever the wife is done watching TV.

Looks like 55 has been bouncing up and down again. Here one minute, completely gone the next, then back without correct channel identification, then gone, then back... oh well. It's a good think I get the analog feed for it OK. I only watch (well, record actually) one or two programs from them, mainly stuff my 15 year old likes, anyway.

Are they even officially live yet when it comes to their digital feed? or are they still just testing?

Looks like 55 has been bouncing up and down again. Here one minute, completely gone the next, then back without correct channel identification, then gone, then back... oh well. It's a good think I get the analog feed for it OK. I only watch (well, record actually) one or two programs from them, mainly stuff my 15 year old likes, anyway.

Are they even officially live yet when it comes to their digital feed? or are they still just testing?

No problems with reception here.

Some Interesting DX on my JVC HD this morning..Using a Philips Amplified MANT510 Indoor antenna. My number of "signals" Usually top out at 25-28 depending on how the antenna is placed. Today I was getting 40-43 consistently..Including

4-1 WTAE Pittsburgh ABC
4-2 WTAE Weather Channel
8-1 WWCP Altoona FOX (Blacked out WJW-TV)
8-2 WATM Altoona ABC
9-1 WTOV Steubenville NBC
9-2 WTOV Weather Plus
11-1 WPXI NBC Pittsburgh
11-2 WPXI Weather Plus
13-1 WQED Pittsburgh PBS
13-2 WQED-Digital 2
16 WQEX Pittsburgh
22 WPMY Analog
22-1 WPMY Pittsburgh MyTV
22-2 WPMY (duplicate of 22-1)
40 WPCB Pittsburgh
40-1 WPCB Digital
44-2 WOUC-Unlimited-Cambridge, Ohio..(simulcast of WOUB-Athens, Ohio Ohio University)
44-3 WOUC-News
44-4 WOUC-Makes
44-5 WOUC On Stage
53 WPGH Fox Pittsburgh

I'd been waiting for a morning like this. The other night i was getting WHIZ analog 18 Zanesville and a weak picture on WNPB-24 analog Morgantown, WVa.

Are QAM tuners more fickle than, say, cable boxes?

The cable boxes seem to be able to pick up the QAM signals much better than the typical TV QAM tuner. I've tried different tuners in different houses on different cable systems, splitters, no splitters, with amp, without amp, etc. and it's always a mixed bag.

Some Interesting DX on my JVC HD this morning..Using a Philips Amplified MANT510 Indoor antenna. My number of "signals" Usually top out at 25-28 depending on how the antenna is placed. Today I was getting 40-43 consistently..Including

4-1 WTAE Pittsburgh ABC
4-2 WTAE Weather Channel
8-1 WWCP Altoona FOX (Blacked out WJW-TV)
8-2 WATM Altoona ABC
9-1 WTOV Steubenville NBC
9-2 WTOV Weather Plus
11-1 WPXI NBC Pittsburgh
11-2 WPXI Weather Plus
13-1 WQED Pittsburgh PBS
13-2 WQED-Digital 2
16 WQEX Pittsburgh
22 WPMY Analog
22-1 WPMY Pittsburgh MyTV
22-2 WPMY (duplicate of 22-1)
40 WPCB Pittsburgh
40-1 WPCB Digital
44-2 WOUC-Unlimited-Cambridge, Ohio..(simulcast of WOUB-Athens, Ohio Ohio University)
44-3 WOUC-News
44-4 WOUC-Makes
44-5 WOUC On Stage
53 WPGH Fox Pittsburgh

I'd been waiting for a morning like this. The other night i was getting WHIZ analog 18 Zanesville and a weak picture on WNPB-24 analog Morgantown, WVa.

HOLY CRAP! With an indoor antenna none-the-less. You must be on the highest peak in Canton. Do you mind if I ask your specific location?

HOLY CRAP! With an indoor antenna none-the-less. You must be on the highest peak in Canton. Do you mind if I ask your specific location?
I am at about Ninth St. and Wertz Avenue Southwest..A block or so from Aultman Hospital. I normally get nohing from VHF and 17, 23, 45, and 67 (with digitals) The strongest with 21, 27 and 49 (and digitals) coming in as well depending on antenna placement..I am on a small hill, but notthing especially high..

The cable boxes seem to be able to pick up the QAM signals much better than the typical TV QAM tuner. I've tried different tuners in different houses on different cable systems, splitters, no splitters, with amp, without amp, etc. and it's always a mixed bag.

It makes sense. There are relatively few models of cable boxes compared to CE devices out there, and they receive much more scrutiny in terms of meeting industry performance specifications. Set top boxes are typically tested by the labs that certify these devices for use in cable systems, while CE devices are allowed to have "self-certification" performed by their manufacturers.

Item #1.

The TWC guy from the Elyria office was here the other day to install cable cards in my Tivo S3. The card in slot 2 seems to work fine, but card in slot 1 doesn't work. I can only get Ch 2 thru 99. When looking at the test and card info screens, I noticed that the 2 (Motorola) cards had different version numbers. The card that doesn't work (slot 1) is version 405. The card that works (slot 2) is version 421. Does any know if both cards need the same version number to be able to work togther in the same box?

Item #2

Out here in North Ridgeville I'm still having problems picking up WBNX-55hd. I get perfect reception on every other digital/HD channel, except of course WVIZ-25hd. I have a very large OTA UHF/VHF outdoor antenna with roter. I have an Tivo S3, a Directv Tivo 10-250, and Moto cable box.
Both Tivo boxes show guide Info, but no signal at all. Is their tower at the Parma antenna farm, or located someplace else?

Item #3

When the TWC card guy was here the other day, I asked him if he had heard any news about when the Moto to SA cable box switchout was going to start in Lorain Co., and other former Comcast areas. He shocked me when he said that TWC has decided not to use the OLD SA boxes, but replace them with brand new Samsung HDTV/DVR units. Great news if you ask me. Has anyone else heard
about this? If there is any TWC insiders out there, can you find out when this might start? (My guess July 07) Also, could you find out the Samsung model # so we can start checking out specs, features, hard drive space, etc.

Thanks and have great holiday.

Ben Music

Item #3

When the TWC card guy was here the other day, I asked him if he had heard any news about when the Moto to SA cable box switchout was going to start in Lorain Co., and other former Comcast areas. He shocked me when he said that TWC has decided not to use the OLD SA boxes, but replace them with brand new Samsung HDTV/DVR units. Great news if you ask me. Has anyone else heard
about this? If there is any TWC insiders out there, can you find out when this might start? (My guess July 07) Also, could you find out the Samsung model # so we can start checking out specs, features, hard drive space, etc.



AFAIK S/A is producing a new version of the 8300 which is compliant with the new FCC rule that kicks in on July 1st. My guess is that you'll get whichever box is available at the time.

As for the firmware issue, send me a PM with info. I have some friends in the industry... ;)

Item #1.

The TWC guy from the Elyria office was here the other day to install cable cards in my Tivo S3. The card in slot 2 seems to work fine, but card in slot 1 doesn't work. I can only get Ch 2 thru 99. When looking at the test and card info screens, I noticed that the 2 (Motorola) cards had different version numbers. The card that doesn't work (slot 1) is version 405. The card that works (slot 2) is version 421. Does any know if both cards need the same version number to be able to work togther in the same box?


Thanks and have great holiday.

Ben Music

Cable cards must be the same version or you will have problems. Dumb cable guy! And if he was following insturctions he shouldn't be activating slot 2 until slot 1 becomes active.

You have a nice holiday too Ben. :)

Some Interesting DX on my JVC HD this morning..Using a Philips Amplified MANT510 Indoor antenna. My number of "signals" Usually top out at 25-28 depending on how the antenna is placed. Today I was getting 40-43 consistently..Including

4-1 WTAE Pittsburgh ABC
4-2 WTAE Weather Channel
8-1 WWCP Altoona FOX (Blacked out WJW-TV)
8-2 WATM Altoona ABC
9-1 WTOV Steubenville NBC
9-2 WTOV Weather Plus
11-1 WPXI NBC Pittsburgh
11-2 WPXI Weather Plus
13-1 WQED Pittsburgh PBS
13-2 WQED-Digital 2
16 WQEX Pittsburgh
22 WPMY Analog
22-1 WPMY Pittsburgh MyTV
22-2 WPMY (duplicate of 22-1)
40 WPCB Pittsburgh
40-1 WPCB Digital
44-2 WOUC-Unlimited-Cambridge, Ohio..(simulcast of WOUB-Athens, Ohio Ohio University)
44-3 WOUC-News
44-4 WOUC-Makes
44-5 WOUC On Stage
53 WPGH Fox Pittsburgh

I'd been waiting for a morning like this. The other night i was getting WHIZ analog 18 Zanesville and a weak picture on WNPB-24 analog Morgantown, WVa.

Tim, those are some nice catches via tropospheric ducting. It looks like there will be some activity in northeast Ohio on Tuesday:

http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html

EPG Guide Data is finally active on E* for WBNX 55.1.

EPG Guide Data is finally active on E* for WBNX 55.1.

And just in time for recording 'Hidden Palms" in HD. Will it be the next OC??

cneubert,
has your 55.1 guide data shown up yet?

8-1 WWCP Altoona FOX (Blacked out WJW-TV)
That is highly unusual, seeing how WWCP-DT is on rf 29 and WJW-DT is on rf 31.

Your ASTC tuner probably did not know how to handle two channels with the same "8-1" virtual channel. You probably will want to scan again if you want to see WJW-DT. I bet your receiver will now ignore WJW-DT until you rescan. Can you selectively scan channels (i.e. tell your receiver to try to get a lock on rf ch 31)?

Here in the antenna farm I was able to watch WPXI-DT 11-1 & 11-2 and WQED-DT 13-1 & 13-2. Also the 3 Youngstown stations were in (I do get one 24/7 but the other 2 joined the party). The "opening" started to close in the middle of the 11 PM newscasts (which happens to be the most interesting time to get skip since at other times the distants all carry the same network programs).

And just in time for recording 'Hidden Palms" in HD. Will it be the next OC??

cneubert,
has your 55.1 guide data shown up yet?

Is WBNX broadcasting in Dolby 5.1?

Is WBNX broadcasting in Dolby 5.1?

Yes it does.

That is highly unusual, seeing how WWCP-DT is on rf 29 and WJW-DT is on rf 31.

Your ASTC tuner probably did not know how to handle two channels with the same "8-1" virtual channel. You probably will want to scan again if you want to see WJW-DT. I bet your receiver will now ignore WJW-DT until you rescan. Can you selectively scan channels (i.e. tell your receiver to try to get a lock on rf ch 31)?

Here in the antenna farm I was able to watch WPXI-DT 11-1 & 11-2 and WQED-DT 13-1 & 13-2. Also the 3 Youngstown stations were in (I do get one 24/7 but the other 2 joined the party). The "opening" started to close in the middle of the 11 PM newscasts (which happens to be the most interesting time to get skip since at other times the distants all carry the same network programs).

Michael:
I havent tried to use selective scan as yet..Under normal circumstances, I don't get VHF channels at all (except 8 and 9 occasionally)..So, to get Channel 8 from anywhere, let alone Altoona rather than Cleveland, is actually a bonus.

I went to Rat Shack to go look at an antenna for the S3. Trouble was, Rat Shack was no longer there! So I went to Wal-Mart and armed with the info from antenna.org I looked for the color coding suggested so I can get WBNX. Of course none of them had that. :confused:

So I wanted to keep it simple so I bought the absolute cheapest Phillips indoor antenna I can and will point it South. The S3 is doing it's thing so I don't know if it will work or not but hey, it was 10 bucks, worth a try to add another HD station while TW sits on their hands.

I'll follow up later.

Well, that didn't work. I just wanted the one channel but I couldn't get a signal out of anything. It shouldn't surprise me, my VHF and UHF signals have been terrible since I first got here.

I've got too many trees and to the south and east I have a huge hill side and there is a deep ravine between that and my house. Well, at least I finally gave it a shot.

And the wife didn't know a thing. :D

Who can we contact at Woio about there signal? I have a outdoor antenna about 8' long with a rotator. Plus I bought a boost to see if it would help. Today the sky was clear and my signal highest strength in HD was 55%. I live in Lake County by the lake.

Michael:
I havent tried to use selective scan as yet..Under normal circumstances, I don't get VHF channels at all (except 8 and 9 occasionally)..So, to get Channel 8 from anywhere, let alone Altoona rather than Cleveland, is actually a bonus.

Tim,
When you see "8-1" that is a virtual channel. The actual rf channel for WJW-DT is 31 which is UHF (as is WWCP from Johnstown on rf ch 29). Ch 8 is their analog assigned channel. After the transition (scheduled for February 2009) WJW-DT will move to rf ch 8. As for WOIO-DT their digital signal is ion rf ch 10 which is VHF. They want to stay on ch 10 after the transition which is a big mistake IMHO, but that's another post.

Well, that didn't work. I just wanted the one channel but I couldn't get a signal out of anything. It shouldn't surprise me, my VHF and UHF signals have been terrible since I first got here.

I've got too many trees and to the south and east I have a huge hill side and there is a deep ravine between that and my house. Well, at least I finally gave it a shot.

And the wife didn't know a thing. :D

What? Hook give up so easily? maybe it's the heat. You wouldn't have to go with a big outdoor job. One of those hi-powered alligator jaw types with a long tongue designed just for UHF would work great I bet - even thru all those trees. They're also small and look hi-tech. Wingard HD9085P & HD9095P or similar.

Wouldn't it be cool to compare the HD network signals for cable vs. ota? You'd also have a backup for(5,8,43 & maybe 19) if cable was out for some reason. But best of all, the S3 would be blessed with 55.1.

Nope, I gave it one quick shot and that's it. I'll just wait for it to come to TWC. Sorry if I disappointed you. :)

I don't think Tom in OH was directing that comment to you, since I don't think any part of your nick contains the word "hook."

Who can we contact at Woio about there signal? I have a outdoor antenna about 8' long with a rotator. Plus I bought a boost to see if it would help. Today the sky was clear and my signal highest strength in HD was 55%. I live in Lake County by the lake.

spot70,

Good luck. The OTA signal in Lake County by the lake has been a problem for the 22 years I've lived there. I have always had a large fringe type antenna, amp, and rotor on the roof. I was hoping the move to a digital signal would be the fix but the digital signal is just as bad.

Ray

I don't think Tom in OH was directing that comment to you, since I don't think any part of your nick contains the word "hook."

I deleted my post. I just assumed since I mentioned an indoor antenna he was talking to me. :o Sorry about that, I'll be more carefull in the future.

I deleted my post. I just assumed since I mentioned an indoor antenna he was talking to me. :o Sorry about that, I'll be more carefull in the future.

Hey, don't worry about it. I made a mistake once and answered someone else's post too. Things happen.

Basically Tom because the wife is so dead set against antennas I don't want to put anything that looks like an "aligator" on the entertainment center. And also I don't want to stress out over it that much because as it stands right now there are only two possible shows I would watch in HD on WBNX.

As far as comparisons go it's tempting but I know I would drive myself right up a wall doing that. I think I'll just stay happy in my little cable HD world. :)

Does anyone in the TimeWarner Elyria/Mentor area get channel 215 WNEO HD?
It is listed in their channel guide.
Also if you do, what channel would that be on QAM tuner?

Thanks

Why would WBNX-DT need to have a SD channel on 55-2 if other channels don't have it? That sounds like an extremely stupid idea in that it would waste valuable space for HD content.

Whatever they decide to do as far as multicasting, I hope that they put some decent programming on their other channel. Someone had mentioned retro programming, which I would really like, but I don't know how anyone would've gotten this idea or if that speculation has any merit.

From what I could best figure out, retro tv shows would fit since at one time they did air retro programs such as I love lucy, Andy Griffith, and Gomer Pyle USMC. That and the fact that Equity broadcasting is taking its retro television network national in July it would make sense. I mean unless they plan on double running all of the programs they have the rights to or airing the 90 @ 9 club 24/7 what would they air?

They could move 4 kids over to the new channel, maybe do some HS sports, but outside of that classic tv shows are really the only that is left? More and more stations are adding retro channels to their subcarriers so it could be a good possibility that it could work for them. Unless they go out and try to find some cartoons so their kids club can be expanded or give Ronnie Duncan a sports show since he does do the sports work for them, I don't have a clue of what they could air.

I recall on an old airing of their heart to heart program, they brought up digital television and they had on as their guest their atty and they hinted that with multicasting they could air programs that was targeted for a specific portion of the market such as programs for Cleveland on 1 channel and programs for Canton on another at the same time. This was from about three years ago so I don't know if their feeling has changed.

When RTN goes national, from what I understand it will be a barter deal, in which the station airing the programming will get programs for less as long as they air the ad spots when they are told to. This would fit best for WBNX. Considering the tube network is taken, what could they really do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro_Television_Network

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070320/cltu183.html?.v=7

Does anyone in the TimeWarner Elyria/Mentor area get channel 215 WNEO HD?


I'd assume that TWC hasn't put on WNEO HD because, well, it doesn't exist right now.

The 45/49 folks have even posted here that they're still working on getting the HD version of the station on the air again. There are a myriad of financial and technical issues, though I seem to remember it's basically down to getting and installing the equipment at this point. Search earlier in the thread for messages posted by "PBS4549", I believe it is.

In the meantime, the entire PBS HD 24/7 schedule is on many of the TWC systems via WVIZ's HD signal, a puny thing which can be picked up outside Parma only with a large antenna at a cable headend.

I don't know if the former Comcast system has carried WVIZ-HD, though the ex-Adelphia system does.

Right now, WNEO/WEAO's DT-1 subchannel is the PBS-run network "Create" in SD.

In the meantime, the entire PBS HD 24/7 schedule is on many of the TWC systems via WVIZ's HD signal, a puny thing which can be picked up outside Parma only with a large antenna at a cable headend.

I don't know if the former Comcast system has carried WVIZ-HD, though the ex-Adelphia system does.


... and Wide Open West *still* doesn't carry WVIZ-HD on their cable system. I assume because thier headend (North Olmsted?) is too far away from WVIZ's wimpy little transmitter to pick up the signal.

... and Wide Open West *still* doesn't carry WVIZ-HD on their cable system. I assume because thier headend (North Olmsted?) is too far away from WVIZ's wimpy little transmitter to pick up the signal.

I dunno. I know that TWC's headend on Lakeside Avenue downtown supposedly picks up the WVIZ-DT signal off air...

Does anyone in the TimeWarner Elyria/Mentor area get channel 215 WNEO HD?
It is listed in their channel guide.
Also if you do, what channel would that be on QAM tuner?

Thanks


I'm not in your area but I have the same situation. In my area they have channel 715 assigned to WNEO HD and it's been in the listing for some time. You can see the channel lineup for my area here (http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/1/Content%20Management/Customer%20Service/documents/ADCCChannels8106/TWCCWK-5013%20NEO%20IP%20LU-ClevSub_072006c.pdf) .

It's quite inaccurate, they still list INHD1 and INHD2 for example. Other channels they have moved around like Ohio News Network arn't updated. When I questioned if we would be receiving WNEOHD soon (in November) I got the "we can't comment on that" statement. I asked how come it was on the line up and they said they didn't know. :confused:

June is almost here. I wouldn't be surprised to see a major shake up very soon in the line up for us former Comcast/Adelphia people. And that's going to cause the people who own TiVo S3's some major headaches because of the fact that they do not update their guide info on line.

I deleted my post. I just assumed since I mentioned an indoor antenna he was talking to me. :o Sorry about that, I'll be more carefull in the future.

no harm done, I'm glad to hear someone reads my posts... ^_^ welcome to the forum.

Basically Tom because the wife is so dead set against antennas I don't want to put anything that looks like an "aligator" on the entertainment center. And also I don't want to stress out over it that much because as it stands right now there are only two possible shows I would watch in HD on WBNX.

:)

I figured ykw might nix the project but wanted to give it a shot :) ... I really meant on the roof anyway, but that probably wouldn't go over any easier... ^_^

Any word/update on the resolution of the legal problems holding up full power HDTV transmission from WVIZ-DT?

I'd assume that TWC hasn't put on WNEO HD because, well, it doesn't exist right now.

The 45/49 folks have even posted here that they're still working on getting the HD version of the station on the air again. There are a myriad of financial and technical issues, though I seem to remember it's basically down to getting and installing the equipment at this point. Search earlier in the thread for messages posted by "PBS4549", I believe it is.


Yes, there will will be a PBS 45 & 49 HD service... and it will begin on or before July 1 (we thought it would be a great way to celebrate the Fourth of July, and see some awesome fireworks on the Capital Fourth special, too). We've resolved many of our technical issues and allocated from other areas the financial resources needed to begin the PBS HD feeds. Cable systems throughout Northeast Ohio will be notified next week that our digital broadcast line-up will change by the end of June. Since there is no 'must carry' requirement for digital TV signals, I hope you'll help us convince them to carry our broadcasts on their HD tiers.
When we start the HD broadcast on or before July 1 it will be on 45.1 and 49.1. The SD rebroadcast of our analog main service will continue on 45.2 and 49.2. Our current digital encoder only allows us to broadcast 1 SD channel when we add HD. So Create! and The Ohio Channel will not be broadcast for the next many months. We are scheduled to purchase a new encoder along with new control room equipment and automation software in December. When that happens we will add more SD channels, but just which channels will be added hasn't been decided yet.
This process has taken a very long time. We've heard from you that having the HD service will be useful, and we're very glad to bring it to you. Thanks for your patience. Now, let me know how it looks and sounds once it's on-the-air so we can make whatever improvements our service may need.

Don Freeman
Chief Operating Officer
PBS 45 & 49

Yes, there will will be a PBS 45 & 49 HD service... and it will begin on or before July 1 (we thought it would be a great way to celebrate the Fourth of July, and see some awesome fireworks on the Capital Fourth special, too). We've resolved many of our technical issues and allocated from other areas the financial resources needed to begin the PBS HD feeds. Cable systems throughout Northeast Ohio will be notified next week that our digital broadcast line-up will change by the end of June. Since there is no 'must carry' requirement for digital TV signals, I hope you'll help us convince them to carry our broadcasts on their HD tiers.
When we start the HD broadcast on or before July 1 it will be on 45.1 and 49.1. The SD rebroadcast of our analog main service will continue on 45.2 and 49.2. Our current digital encoder only allows us to broadcast 1 SD channel when we add HD. So Create! and The Ohio Channel will not be broadcast for the next many months. We are scheduled to purchase a new encoder along with new control room equipment and automation software in December. When that happens we will add more SD channels, but just which channels will be added hasn't been decided yet.
This process has taken a very long time. We've heard from you that having the HD service will be useful, and we're very glad to bring it to you. Thanks for your patience. Now, let me know how it looks and sounds once it's on-the-air so we can make whatever improvements our service may need.

Don Freeman
Chief Operating Officer
PBS 45 & 49


Nice to get it from the Chief himself. Hope TW starts carrying you soon as well, since they have had you listed for quite some time now. :)

That's great news.

JJK

Last week WVIZ broadcast the Michael Tilson-Thomas program "Keeping Score: Copland and Stravinsky." I receive this program via Time Warner Cable. Visually it was great, but there was something horribly wrong with the audio. The volume levels were way lower than any other station. I listen via a 5.1 audio receiver and anything on the center channel (like the announcer or the narrator, Tilson-Thomas) had an echo. The music sounded awful. I know it's not the source material, since I'd seen the program before on WVIZ-HD and the sound was excellent. I hope WVIZ shows it again--or makes sure that they have the audio right on their programs!

Nice to get it from the Chief himself. Hope TW starts carrying you soon as well, since they have had you listed for quite some time now. :)

My guess is that those forum folks that are not members of 45/49 will be sending in their memberships now!

Count me among your new members! I'm in North Olmsted. Unfortunately, 25s signal is extremely poor (over the air) where I'm at. I can receive 49.1, 2 and 3 wonderfully, though. I've very glad to hear that you'll be in HD soon!

a TWC Northern Ohio tech support person told me yesterday that they are "pushing" a firmware upgrade tonight for SA8300HD boxes. He believes that this latest update will resolve the problem which causes the boxes to reset themselves to 480i whenever the user switches their TV display to some other input.

He also said that the ongoing problems with accessing On Demand services are the result of trying to integrate Comcast and Adelphia stuff with TWC's, and that technicians are "working on the master control unit." He acknowledged that this problem is not the result of a defective cable box. A previous tech told me that replacing the cable box would solve the problem. However, because they have a shortage of boxes, she could not guarantee that the tech would arrive for the appointment with a replacement for my allegedly defective SA8300HD.

Yes, there will will be a PBS 45 & 49 HD service...
When we start the HD broadcast on or before July 1 it will be on 45.1 and 49.1.
Chief Operating Officer
PBS 45 & 49

...if possible we Will be watching via ota, thx for the update.

a TWC Northern Ohio tech support person told me yesterday that they are "pushing" a firmware upgrade tonight for SA8300HD boxes. He believes that this latest update will resolve the problem which causes the boxes to reset themselves to 480i whenever the user switches their TV display to some other input.

He also said that the ongoing problems with accessing On Demand services are the result of trying to integrate Comcast and Adelphia stuff with TWC's, and that technicians are "working on the master control unit." He acknowledged that this problem is not the result of a defective cable box. A previous tech told me that replacing the cable box would solve the problem. However, because they have a shortage of boxes, she could not guarantee that the tech would arrive for the appointment with a replacement for my allegedly defective SA8300HD.

That's probably the same firmware they have pushed out twice so far and took back. Well, you know what they say. The third time is a charm. :rolleyes:

I knew it wouldn't last. I had hopes. I thought maybe now we have a decent cable company.

The fact is they all suck. Each and every one of them. They should all burn in hell.

My wifegave me the bill today to look over. I spotted that they were charging me for two HD receivers. I only have one and my S3. So I called, pushed the billing number and got a very polite woman on the phone who put me on hold several times (I assumed to double check things) and agreed that yes indeed I was overcharged. However, in order to get a refund I would have to talk to Customer Service. Please hold.

I get "all lines are busy. We will call you back in 1 hour." Ordinarily that is fine but I didn't know exactly where I would be in the next hour.

So after picking up the pizza I called back and was told I had to wait only 54 minutes for a call back. I go upstairs to the bedroom and notice they had disconnected my HD STB! :mad:

At this point I'm using all kinds of foul language and my wife is looking for a place to hide. Even my birds are looking at me funny and I'm hoping none of them are paying close attention to what I'm saying.

Anyway I get the call and the rep tells me he sees no notes about anything but does see a refund. :confused: I tell him about my box being shut off and he tells me that I don't have an HD STB, I have a regular SD DVR! I read the serial number off the back and he says right, that's a DVR. I read the model number with the HD in it for the SA box. Now he's all confused. Puts me on hold. Anyway after about another half an hour he somehow figures it out and gets my box back on. He says he will inform the wherehouse the correct info but who knows if that is actually followed up on.

Adelphia...TW....Comcast...all of them.....they all suck.

I'm just happy they didn't do the channel switch today as I'm recording all 6 episodes of Star Wars on HBO tonight in HD. Unless they flip the switch at midnight...no...I don't even want to go there.

Oh and I noticed guide infor for Mojo is there now. I don't know if that had anything to do with my box being turned off and on or not.

The fact is they all suck. Each and every one of them. They should all burn in hell.

I don't know about *all* of them. I actually like Wide Open West :D

And my buddy at work, the twentysomething hardcore gamer, loves Cox internet.

I'm mostly happy with TWC. Very few problems here, though they did once turn off one of my STBs because they confused it with another. Didn't take as long for me to solve as our good friend hookbill had to contend with. :D

And thanks, Don, for checking back in and answering my question. It'll be nice to have the HD back on 45/49/46/50 :) And just for that, I'll look into becoming a member of your fine station.

I knew it wouldn't last. I had hopes. I thought maybe now we have a decent cable company.

The fact is they all suck. Each and every one of them. They should all burn in hell.
....
Buzz saw time?
If those trees were history would you prefer E* or D*?

Buzz saw time?
If those trees were history would you prefer E* or D*?


Well, since my S3 won't work with either of them I have to say no thanks. Also I have a very wonderful wife and even though what I say goes those trees wouldn't. Some kind of veto clause on the marriage license, so she says. She never has let me look at that damn thing. :) But let's say I didn't have an S3 and I cut down the trees. When I had D* when I lived in Northern Kentucky I was very happy with them. They never gave me problems. Everything worked great. But I'm not certain I'd be very happy with their current HD DVR however I could deal with it if it has eSATA.

E* just seems to drag their feet on everything. I'm not much interested in them.

But I'm not certain I'd be very happy with their current HD DVR however I could deal with it if it has eSATA.

It does have eSATA. http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=88376

Hookbill:
Now you know why I use OTA. I also have tons of huge trees and really cannot correlate the signal strength without leaves (SSWL) verses the signal strength with leaves. (SSWL). There are times when the signal strength varies in both situations and it usually corresponds with warm/cold weather fronts moving by. I used to get less signal strength in the summertime but not anymore. Toledo usually comes in (11 & 13) when there is a huge front in place. You will notice the double meaning of SSWL. There are also weather conditons that create a lot of "path intermod" that will unlock the digital signal even when there is adequate signal, at least that is with the monitor circuit in the tv. Maybe a super monitor would show a rapid signal dropout whereas the tv monitor would damp it down a bit. A good thunderstorm doesn't help at all. Digital dropouts are annoying compared to slow analog fades. I don't get any dropouts on the main channels but occasionally PBS, 17, 67. Channels 55 and 61 hang in pretty good.
In regards to cable my uncle used to go round and round with those people. He made out on the latest deal with Time Warner upgrading his system to digital cable and HD $2.00 cheaper than his old analog deal. They probably made a mistake. The HD looks pretty good on his set.
JJK

Hey guys I just thought I'd pass on a little info I picked up watching My Los Angeles Dodgers defeating the Pittsburgh Pirates last night. The announcers were talking about their HD telecast this year and how they were happy to let the viewers know that they would get 36 games in HD. The Pirates are on Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

What a joke, huh? All Tribe home games are in HD and many road games are in HD via WKYC. Sounds like we got it much better over here! :)

A while back, I was trying to find a perfect spot for my indoor antenna. Well, I found a very good place that was able to minimize the problems caused by the building materials, which I ended up placing the antenna in a large closet. That was back around March, and I haven't moved the antenna since. I literally live in an area almost completely surrounded by woods. Obviously the leaves have fully grown since then, and I haven't noticed much of a difference in reception. It may be slight, but almost undetectable.

The only major problem I have is when my digital signals fluctuate, and I miss some interesting programs. This is highly annoying compared to an analog signal. But I've noticed that this seems to occur whenever it's windy. I swear that this is definitely the problem. If I see these fluctuations, then I just look out the window and see the large trees gently swaying in the wind, and I know that this is the culprit. Today it's calm, so I don't have ANY problems.

What is the current listing for HD stations available through Time Warner for the Cleveland (Lorain) area? I did a search of TWC's Northeast Ohio website and for the premiums, only HBO and SHOWTIME "HD" stations are listed. Did they get rid of CINEMAX HD and STARZ HD (or others)? I know there is no INHD2 anymore, but what about ESPN2 HD?

What is the current listing for HD stations available through Time Warner for the Cleveland (Lorain) area? I did a search of TWC's Northeast Ohio website and for the premiums, only HBO and SHOWTIME "HD" stations are listed. Did they get rid of CINEMAX HD and STARZ HD (or others)? I know there is no INHD2 anymore, but what about ESPN2 HD?

As I stated in a post made a couple of days ago, (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10665357&&#post10665357) their information on these websites are totally incorrect. Cinemax and StarzHD are both available as is ESPN2 HD. WVIZ, locals except WBNX, TNT, Universal, and Discovery all availble in HD.

TW responded to me that since the take over with so many differnt channel line ups it is not that easy to make the changes. :rolleyes: The fact is they know they are going to roll the lineups into one so they don't have any desire to make the changes. That is if they can actually pull it off. The last I heard it was suppose to be this month but who knows when it will really happen.

GO CA-AVS... GO CA-AVS... GO CA-AVS...
Rise Up northeast Ohio!!
!!!CAVS ARE GOIN TO THE BIG SHOW!!!

As I stated in a post made a couple of days ago, (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10665357&&#post10665357) their information on these websites are totally incorrect.

It's really pathetic that Adelphia and Comcast seem to think this info is top secret. Of course they want you to call a CSR and get talked into some promotional package with a price that will skyrocket in 3 or 6 months. I always thought the Adelphia postcard mailings were bordering on false advertising. You can get cable TV and internet "for as low as" $xx but there was never any mention in the fine print of what you actually got, what the term was, or what the full price was at the end of the term.

My experience with Comcast in Florida was also less than stellar. Their billing is completely screwed. I get my service cut off every 6 months because they can't figure out how to properly bill an out of state customer. Activating internet service was a mini-nightmare riddled with broken websites and outdated software. If you have to talk to their national call center in Louisiana (or is it Georgia) god help you. If you can manage to outsmart the phone tree and get connected to a person in the local office, they are quite helpful.

WOW has always had a very straight up package pricing tool on their website, and I've ordered cable and internet service completely via their website (gasp) without any phone calls. That's the way it should be in 2007, for chrissakes. Especially since all these cable companies tout themselves as technology companies. WOW also keeps their channel lineups up to date with an easily downloadable PDF for each service area.

Oh yeah, and, GO CAVS !

GO CA-AVS... GO CA-AVS... GO CA-AVS...
Rise Up northeast Ohio!!
!!!CAVS ARE GOIN TO THE BIG SHOW!!!


Congrats to the Cavs, they put a whooping on those demons from Detroit. I loved seeing Rasheed Wallace getting the toss in HD. (by adding that comment it justifys it being in the local HD thread). ;)

;) :D

Hookbill:
I also have tons of huge trees and really cannot correlate the signal strength without leaves (SSWL) verses the signal strength with leaves. (SSWL). There are times when the signal strength varies in both situations and it usually corresponds with warm/cold weather fronts moving by.
JJK
I'm with you on this one. I have a large cluster of tall cherry trees 30ft from and 20ft taller than my antenna and I get about the same, sometimes spotty, reception now (with leaves) than when I put the antenna in last fall (no leaves). I do think its weather related too. I usually get 3.1 in rock solid no matter what (maybe my Sensar III has better VHF?) and trade off days of good reception out of 5.1 and 8.1. 19.1 just hasn't been coming in very well for months. Thinking about upgrading the antenna and adding a rotor. In the mean time I'll have to start tracking the channel reception and weather correlation (keep an eye on the tropospheric ducting forecast too).

Hey guys I just thought I'd pass on a little info I picked up watching My Los Angeles Dodgers defeating the Pittsburgh Pirates last night. The announcers were talking about their HD telecast this year and how they were happy to let the viewers know that they would get 36 games in HD. The Pirates are on Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

What a joke, huh? All Tribe home games are in HD and many road games are in HD via WKYC. Sounds like we got it much better over here! :)

With the way the Pirates play they should be thankful they are on TV at all. We don't need to see them suck in HD :D. They already got a stadium they didn't deserve.

With the way the Pirates play they should be thankful they are on TV at all. We don't need to see them suck in HD :D. They already got a stadium they didn't deserve.

Good point. Here's hoping they suck again tonight too. ;) :D

Good point. Here's hoping they suck again tonight too. ;) :D

I think that is a safe bet.

Sorry as this is off topic

But I know someone will have an answer for my daughter
She has a Sony Bravia and her 2 years daughter threw something at the Unit and it left a mark on or in the screen my question is what cleaning tips any of you might have.

Thanks

What a joke, huh? All Tribe home games are in HD and many road games are in HD via WKYC. Sounds like we got it much better over here! :)

From nothing to all home games in one year. The thumbs up, of course, goes to both STO and WKYC - the latter being the technical brains for STO. If the rights were still with FSN Ohio, we'd be hearing about 30 or so games in HD each year.

It was forward thinking for WKYC to build the infrastructure and run the fiber a few blocks from Jacobs Field to their place on Lakeside Avenue. As a result of that, WKYC reaps the benefits year round...using the high-placed HD camera at Jacobs Field 7 days a week as an HD skycam!

Sorry as this is off topic

But I know someone will have an answer for my daughter
She has a Sony Bravia and her 2 years daughter threw something at the Unit and it left a mark on or in the screen my question is what cleaning tips any of you might have.

Thanks


I believe this is an LCD screen. Your question is difficult to answer because if it's just on the screen it would be helpful to know what exactly it is. If it's in the screen then sorry, nothing you can do on an LCD.

For most on screen dirt there is a blue cloth you can purchase from BB, CC etc. You can wet it and take it off (gently). My LCD came with one of these cloths bigger then the screen itself, pehaps she has one already.

Sorry I can't offer any other suggestions.

Ognir:
The manual has very explicit instructions on how to clean the screen and also warnings of the chemicals that will exit if the pixels are punctured. Not a good read.
JJK

Ognir:
The manual has very explicit instructions on how to clean the screen and also warnings of the chemicals that will exit if the pixels are punctured. Not a good read.
JJK


The Sony Manual has only one line about it .

I am now wondering if she doesn't have bad pixals

She said it was not 10inches long !

Since it has color coming through I think it is a LCD's stuck pixels

Any clues how to UN stick them?

Since it has color coming through I think it is a LCD's stuck pixels

Any clues how to UN stick them?

Kids + electronics where they can get to = broken equipment.

I think she needs a new TV and a shelf that the kids can't reach up to.

Kids + electronics where they can get to = broken equipment.

I think she needs a new TV and a shelf that the kids can't reach up to.

The good news is
the stucked pixels can be free'd up
I seem to have gotten about 70 percent back
but it takes albow grease ! Actually Denatured Alcohol and distilled water

The good news is
the stucked pixels can be free'd up
I seem to have gotten about 70 percent back
but it takes albow grease ! Actually Denatured Alcohol and distilled water

Ummmm OK. If it's working fine. But in all the years I've been around computers I've never and I mean never heard that it was a good idea to push on an LCD screen (elbow greese).

I truly doubt you'll be able to get the screen back 100% but good luck.

Does anybody know what happened to WKYC-HD and their weather channel in the Akron/Canton Time Warner market? I was receiving it on 80.1, then it moved to 101.1, now I don't get it again.

Thanks,
Brian

Does anybody know what happened to WKYC-HD and their weather channel in the Akron/Canton Time Warner market? I was receiving it on 80.1, then it moved to 101.1, now I don't get it again.

Thanks,
Brian

I know that WKYC is experiencing technical problems with their local Weather+ equipment; could it be that some PSIPs have changed as a result?
:confused:

I know that WKYC is experiencing technical problems with their local Weather+ equipment; could it be that some PSIPs have changed as a result?
:confused:
Last time I checked Weather Plus was fine OTA.

Last time I checked Weather Plus was fine OTA.

Were you seeing the local forecast data or the national feed? They were passing the national feed along in lieu of the locally generated content.

***EDIT*** The station's website is reporting that it was fixed today. :)

Are you guys getting about a 10 pixel black bar across the bottom of the screen on WEWS NBA Finals? I'm getting a little white garbage down there every now and then. My plasma is set to 1:1 pixel ratio, no overscan.

The audio just sucks, it's like the Indy 500 audio.

Paul, I've gotten that bar/underscan on any ABC HD programming for the past couple of weeks on WEWS.

It does not appear on WEWS' locally-originated HD programming, including the news and "Jeopardy". Only ABC HD stuff.

Westy 32 inch LCD set here.

So when (on ABC-HD / Time Warner) there are black bars at the top AND bottom of the screen, the bar at the bottom is bigger. Is this what you guys are seeing?!? I was going to call in on my warrantee thinking that something is wrong with my tv. Please confirm.
Thanks

So when (on ABC-HD / Time Warner) there are black bars at the top AND bottom of the screen, the bar at the bottom is bigger. Is this what you guys are seeing?!? I was going to call in on my warrantee thinking that something is wrong with my tv. Please confirm.
Thanks

Yes, the bar at the bottom is bigger. Nothing wrong with your TV.

If you flip over to Fox or ESPNHD (also 720p), you'll see that the "extra" black bar goes away.

thanks

Last nights Cav's game on ABC (OTA) looked & sounded pretty bad. I would really expect more from an ESPN joint venture with ABC. Actually I thought I read that ABC had spent quite a bit on new HD cameras for football season...maybe they haven't been integrated yet.

the sound last night was driving me crazy. i could not believe how many times i had to adjust the volume because every segment they showed was set at a different level.

the sound last night was driving me crazy. i could not believe how many times i had to adjust the volume because every segment they showed was set at a different level.

I only watched a bit of the game on my HDTV where my home theater was set up. It sounded fine to me, however I wouldn't be surprised if there may have been problems like you describe. I noticed in watching episodes of "Lost" that I recorded that the sound sometimes seems like it turns off and on in between dialog. It's just a bit weird but noticeable.

I'm not certain but I wonder if WEWS is still not having some equipment problems with their Dolby 5.1.

I watched the game (OTA) HD for about 15 minutes and everything seemed fine. Using the TV speakers and not the humongous system however.

JJK

The audio and PQ of the Cavs game was widely criticized around the country over on the official NBA Finals on ABC (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858303&goto=newpost) thread .

It would have sounded ok with standard TV stereo speakers, but pump that crap through a surround system and it's awful. The commercials were 5.1, then the graphic segment between commercial and game sounded like a mono AM radio. The game itself was sort of a middling FM radio quality stereo.

From what I gather in the game thread, ESPN provides "fake" 5.1 (aka "Circle Surround") from the source, so it's not likely a local issue with the audio.

Where is TWC Lake county hiding the local HD these days, Although I don't have cable myself, I completely give up programming my neighbors set every month.

Found 3 on 83-3 & 5 on 83-5... can't find the others.

Are they using True North as a reference point, or Magnetic North (Compass North)?

Thanks.

Who can we contact at Woio about there signal? I have a outdoor antenna about 8' long with a rotator. Plus I bought a boost to see if it would help. Today the sky was clear and my signal highest strength in HD was 55%. I live in Lake County by the lake.
Good luck, I'm experiencing the same problems in Mentor with WOIO & with WKYC also.

Frequent dropouts.... 55% seems pretty good, I'm down in the 30's most of the time on those.

Any luck with the Erie Digitals?

That is highly unusual, seeing how WWCP-DT is on rf 29 and WJW-DT is on rf 31.

Your ASTC tuner probably did not know how to handle two channels with the same "8-1" virtual channel. You probably will want to scan again if you want to see WJW-DT. I bet your receiver will now ignore WJW-DT until you rescan. Can you selectively scan channels (i.e. tell your receiver to try to get a lock on rf ch 31)?

Here in the antenna farm I was able to watch WPXI-DT 11-1 & 11-2 and WQED-DT 13-1 & 13-2. Also the 3 Youngstown stations were in (I do get one 24/7 but the other 2 joined the party). The "opening" started to close in the middle of the 11 PM newscasts (which happens to be the most interesting time to get skip since at other times the distants all carry the same network programs).

I understand the concept of the Virtual channels, but after 2009 are they going to be gone?... I can see the conflict here, now just how would any sets tuner be able to handle this?.... I'm occasionally (usually in June also), able to pull a few stations up from Texas, Oklahoma & Lousiania during band openings. Since the same is happening with digital, I'm wondering if this will be a weak signal, or blocky frozen picture... becoming an annoyance instead of a novelty.

If anyone goes to watch game 2 of the Cavs game at the Quicken Loans Arena how about a critique on how the High-Def 3D thing looks? This is supposed to be spectacular with a separate 3D closed feed using Pace dual lens cameras with separate HD/SDI feeds being developed by the NBA of all people. (yes, with glasses)

JJK

Are they using True North as a reference point, or Magnetic North (Compass North)?

Thanks.


When I looked last week it appeared they were giving compass coordinates so I would say magnetic North.

I understand the concept of the Virtual channels, but after 2009 are they going to be gone?... I can see the conflict here, now just how would any sets tuner be able to handle this?.... I'm occasionally (usually in June also), able to pull a few stations up from Texas, Oklahoma & Lousiania during band openings. Since the same is happening with digital, I'm wondering if this will be a weak signal, or blocky frozen picture... becoming an annoyance instead of a novelty.
After 2009 some stations will be staying on their "digital" assigned channel, others will revert to their original channel (i.e. move the digital to the original analog channel). WJW plans on keeping ch 8 as their digital channel at the end of the transition period. I'm not sure what WWCP has in mind, but the information is available at the FCC site.

It's not clear yet weather the stations who chose a different channel after the transition will still use the "virtual" channel number (i.e. will WOIO still be known as "19" if and when they sign off the analog signal).

Virtual channels are here to stay. One possibility may be that every network affilliate will someday carry the same virtural channel number (NBC on 4 for example). So no matter where you are if you want to watch NBC tune to virtual ch 4 (even though the actual rf channel is probably in the UHF range in every case).

Were you seeing the local forecast data or the national feed? They were passing the national feed along in lieu of the locally generated content.

***EDIT*** The station's website is reporting that it was fixed today. :)
The only abnormality I noticed was that the 5-day forecast was stuck on Detroit for quite awhile. After that I did notice the "national" feed, as I saw 5-day forecasts for cities all over the country, not just this region (unless that was a normal occurrence for the time I tuned in which was Friday morning, a time I rarely watch TV).

Since we are talking a bit about Weather Plus, IMHO and please don't throw any rotten tomatoes at me, WOIO's Weathern Now is better. If I'm getting dressed and I'm trying to decide what to wear and put on Weather Plus it takes forever before they get around to local stuff. WOIO is all local all the time.

Just my opinion. YMMV :)

Virtual channels are here to stay....

Yep. I've found that when some sets discover duplicate VCT assignments, they toss all of the duplicate channels into a "Channel 0" zone, where you can wind up seeing several channel zeroes in a row. This is probably better than simply giving up on a channel and refusing to tune it. The ability to handle this depends on the design of the firmware in the set.

Has anyone else in Beachwood, Ohio found it nearly impossible to establish new service with Time Warner Cable if you want to get Digital Cable with Premium service but want 2 Cablecards for your new Vista MCE Machine?

I have spent 4 days on the phone trying to get this done at my apartment and have finally called their corporate office in New York and still am not any closer to getting cable or cable with cable cards.

It would seem the only way I can get cable is to take it on their terms and get a package with a DVR and a second box then call back days later to change my plan and then have to return the boxes myself to a local payment office. Then wait 5+ days to get a call from the company who deals with the cablecard on TWC's behalf to schedule an appointment for another install, after they order in cablecards!

Why don't they have this stuff on hand? Why can't ordering cable be simple?

Does this seem insane to anyone else?

If there is someone who can help me out in getting new TWC service established with Digital Cable HDTV Tier, HBO, SHOWTIME, CINEMAX and 2 CableCards, it would be greatly appreciated.

You would think TWC would want my business, but I guess not and I don't have it in me to talk to the supposed "Customer Service Reps" on the phone anymore.

Thank You!

P.S.

AT&T U-verse is now welcome in my neighborhood! I will take it even with the refrigerator size street boxes because TWC is awful.

Monopoly of the cable co is the reason these issues exist, no competition = crap service on all levels!

Has anyone else in Beachwood, Ohio found it nearly impossible to establish new service with Time Warner Cable if you want to get Digital Cable with Premium service but want 2 Cablecards for your new Vista MCE Machine?




I'm not in your are, but when I first got my S3 back in September I had a bit of a problem with the two cable card thing. So I lied and said it was for two HD TV's. They gave me an install date.

However as a result of their customer service not knowing sh*t from shinola I sent off an email sounding them about their lack of knowledge of new technology.

The day of my install I got a call from a supervisor. He advised me that he and two lead techs would be out to install my cards for my S3. I said great, but how did he know it was for the S3? He said my email got forwarded to his boss and then sent to him.

Now with the Vista thing and cable cards this will be interesting indeed. Oh and if you do sign with AT&T that doesn't mean they will put the box in front of your house. Just somewhere on the street.

Let us know how it goes.

Virtual channels are here to stay. One possibility may be that every network affilliate will someday carry the same virtural channel number (NBC on 4 for example). So no matter where you are if you want to watch NBC tune to virtual ch 4 (even though the actual rf channel is probably in the UHF range in every case).

I think this would be an absolute nightmare. After the transition in 2009, I'll be able to receive four NBC stations (WFMJ-DT, Youngstown; WTOV-DT, Steubenville; WKYC-DT, Cleveland and WPXI-DT, Pittsburgh). Which one would my TV tune to? Will it be user selectable? If my assigned NBC station is having a technical problem, will I be able to tune to an alternate NBC affiliate?

After 2009 some stations will be staying on their "digital" assigned channel, others will revert to their original channel (i.e. move the digital to the original analog channel). WJW plans on keeping ch 8 as their digital channel at the end of the transition period. I'm not sure what WWCP has in mind, but the information is available at the FCC site.

They plan on going back to 8. I think I've been getting a little interference from WJW since that front pushed through.

It's not clear yet weather the stations who chose a different channel after the transition will still use the "virtual" channel number (i.e. will WOIO still be known as "19" if and when they sign off the analog signal).

The reason for PSIP is so stations can continue to be known by their channel position if it really isn't the frequency on which they are broadcasting. At least this will be one less headache for those, such as senior citizens, who rely primarily on OTA for television and would have to learn their favorite shows that were on channel 7 will be on channel 33.

Virtual channels are here to stay. One possibility may be that every network affilliate will someday carry the same virtural channel number (NBC on 4 for example). So no matter where you are if you want to watch NBC tune to virtual ch 4 (even though the actual rf channel is probably in the UHF range in every case).

It's not going to be like XM or Sirius where you know CNN is on channel ### in Montana, or Texas, or etc. Each station wants to keep their channel branding, and since most people use cable or satellite, it doesn't much matter since the providers select where stations are placed in their tiers.

I think this would be an absolute nightmare. After the transition in 2009, I'll be able to receive four NBC stations (WFMJ-DT, Youngstown; WTOV-DT, Steubenville; WKYC-DT, Cleveland and WPXI-DT, Pittsburgh). Which one would my TV tune to? Will it be user selectable? If my assigned NBC station is having a technical problem, will I be able to tune to an alternate NBC affiliate?

It won't be any different that it is now. The post-transition channels will be WFMJ-20, WTOV-9, WKYC-17, and WPXI-48, so your TV won't have a problem locking in each just as currently it would pick them up on 21, 9, 3, and 11 respectively. If the NBC affiliate in your market is having technically difficulties, and you can get one, two, three, etc. other NBC stations, you'll be free to turn the channel as you are now.

Indians baseball looks great on channel 3.

If anyone goes to watch game 2 of the Cavs game at the Quicken Loans Arena how about a critique on how the High-Def 3D thing looks? This is supposed to be spectacular with a separate 3D closed feed using Pace dual lens cameras with separate HD/SDI feeds being developed by the NBA of all people. (yes, with glasses)

JJK

I was there today while they were tweaking it. They're using polarized passive glasses, so the 3D is in normal color. The effect is quite strong on close shots, less dramatic on wide shots. Overall it looks good and anyone who goes there will enjoy it. :cool:

BTW they were tweaking the intraocular distance on one of the dual camera's two lenses while I was watching. Think about seeing the effect of crossing your eyes without actually crossing them! Yikes. :p

Has anyone else in Beachwood, Ohio found it nearly impossible to establish new service with Time Warner Cable if you want to get Digital Cable with Premium service but want 2 Cablecards for your new Vista MCE Machine?

I have spent 4 days on the phone trying to get this done at my apartment and have finally called their corporate office in New York and still am not any closer to getting cable or cable with cable cards.

It would seem the only way I can get cable is to take it on their terms and get a package with a DVR and a second box then call back days later to change my plan and then have to return the boxes myself to a local payment office. Then wait 5+ days to get a call from the company who deals with the cablecard on TWC's behalf to schedule an appointment for another install, after they order in cablecards!

Why don't they have this stuff on hand? Why can't ordering cable be simple?

Does this seem insane to anyone else?

If there is someone who can help me out in getting new TWC service established with Digital Cable HDTV Tier, HBO, SHOWTIME, CINEMAX and 2 CableCards, it would be greatly appreciated.

You would think TWC would want my business, but I guess not and I don't have it in me to talk to the supposed "Customer Service Reps" on the phone anymore.

Thank You!

P.S.

AT&T U-verse is now welcome in my neighborhood! I will take it even with the refrigerator size street boxes because TWC is awful.

Monopoly of the cable co is the reason these issues exist, no competition = crap service on all levels!

You are certainly on the bleeding edge. I read a PC Magazine columnist talking about trying to get the new MCE PC's with CableCard up and running in NYC, and he basically said forget it, not ready for primetime. Too many issues between the software and the cableco.

UVerse should be here on June 18. Only problem is cablecard won't do you any good, ATT's is an all IPTV system...

I was there today while they were tweaking it. They're using polarized passive glasses, so the 3D is in normal color. The effect is quite strong on close shots, less dramatic on wide shots. Overall it looks good and anyone who goes there will enjoy it. :cool:

BTW they were tweaking the intraocular distance on one of the dual camera's two lenses while I was watching. Think about seeing the effect of crossing your eyes without actually crossing them! Yikes. :p

What does the screen look like without the glasses? Is it that weird unwatchable blue/red shift?

Too bad we can't watch this feed instead of the crappy 720p ABC feed...

Indians baseball looks great on channel 3.

Yep, looks fantastic. I love HD games on STO and WKYC. Blows the doors off ESPN/ABC/Fox. Makes me glad I bought this 1080p plasma. :D

What does the screen look like without the glasses? Is it that weird unwatchable blue/red shift?

They're not using the blue/red anaglyph system at all, so there's no weird color fringing. The picture looked slightly blurred without glasses, but then they were still playing with the optics on the cameras, the frame synchronization and miscellaneous other alignments at the time so I didn't see the final, fully calibrated results. The final results should look quite good.

Oh, and they also had a really cool animated 3-D test pattern for alignment.

Yep, looks fantastic. I love HD games on STO and WKYC. Blows the doors off ESPN/ABC/Fox. Makes me glad I bought this 1080p plasma. :D

Personally I think baseball looks great on FOX. I give STO points for improving their sound to the rear speakers this year, but I still wonder how come it reads "Dolby 3/2"? on my amp. Where is the "1"?

It won't be any different that it is now. The post-transition channels will be WFMJ-20, WTOV-9, WKYC-17, and WPXI-48, so your TV won't have a problem locking in each just as currently it would pick them up on 21, 9, 3, and 11 respectively. If the NBC affiliate in your market is having technically difficulties, and you can get one, two, three, etc. other NBC stations, you'll be free to turn the channel as you are now.

Yes, I know. What Michael is saying is that, hypothetically, ALL NBC stations would be assigned to THE SAME virtual channel. Let's assume that NBC is assigned virtual channel 4 nationwide. In that event, how am I going to be able to receive all four NBC stations that I can receive if they're all assigned to virtual channel 4? Isn't my receiver going to be confused?

I like the idea of a virtual channel, although I don't know if it affects me since I have cable. But this is what I like about it. CBS CHANNEL 2, NBC, CHANNEL 4, ABC CHANNEL 7 AND FOX ? (It's 5 in NY and 11 in LA).

So the wife flies to some other part of the country and ask me what's on tv tonight? I tell her "Survivor". She says "What channel?" I say channel 2. Nice and easy wherever she is. She doesn't understand network talk, just channels. :D

One other thing. If virtual channels exist wouldn't by law the real channel and call letters have to be shown for station identification at the top of the hour, if just briefly?

Yes, I know. What Michael is saying is that, hypothetically, ALL NBC stations would be assigned to THE SAME virtual channel. Let's assume that NBC is assigned virtual channel 4 nationwide. In that event, how am I going to be able to receive all four NBC stations that I can receive if they're all assigned to virtual channel 4? Isn't my receiver going to be confused?

I don't think that the broadcasters will jump off that cliff. Local market branding is still worth a great deal to the stations. They need to hang on to their identity to differentiate themselves from the network affiliates in other cities.

Yes, I know. What Michael is saying is that, hypothetically, ALL NBC stations would be assigned to THE SAME virtual channel. Let's assume that NBC is assigned virtual channel 4 nationwide. In that event, how am I going to be able to receive all four NBC stations that I can receive if they're all assigned to virtual channel 4? Isn't my receiver going to be confused?

In that case there might be some confusion, but I can't say for sure since I don't know how a receiver would react to finding multiple channel 4-1s.

As I mentioned in my reply to him, the reason PSIP (virtual channels) was created was so stations could keep their current channel branding past February 2009 no matter on what channel they are actually broadcasting. I doubt many NBC affiliates on channels other than 4 would want to jump on board to this "same network/same channel" system and lose their localized brand they've worked for 50 some years to achieve.

Is anybody else hearing an information commercial bleeding through on STO right now? I'm getting it on both channel 179 and 17 via TW cable.

The game is getting ready to start soon. Whom do we contact? Or is this a TW thing?

I like the idea of a virtual channel, although I don't know if it affects me since I have cable. But this is what I like about it. CBS CHANNEL 2, NBC, CHANNEL 4, ABC CHANNEL 7 AND FOX ? (It's 5 in NY and 11 in LA).


I had an old Magnavox Touch Tune back in the late 70's, & in the set up you could do just what you are talking about ... I could set my NBC to 4 ABC to 7 etc.

Again though not no more when I lived further South, I still picked up 23 ABC out of Akron, along with 5, ... (hmmm 7-1, & 7-2) & I believe my location in Utah near SLC warranted me 2 PBS affiliates.

I don't think that the broadcasters will jump off that cliff. Local market branding is still worth a great deal to the stations. They need to hang on to their identity to differentiate themselves from the network affiliates in other cities.

My prefrence would be after 2009 to do away with the VC, & go back to whatever allocation they are using... ie: WKYC 17, WEWS 15. Didn't see why all the channels couldn't return to their original slots, but again I may be missing the big picture.... Idealy assinging the cities in blocks with a 1 channel spacing in between might be the way to go... 15, 17, 19, ...ect

This just gets as confusing (but not as much) as what NANPA is doing with the area codes, I don't believe in overlays, however the phone companies are all for these, as it will drive up many bills not knowing exactly where you are calling. The industries basic plot is to get me to get a cell phone or buy a long distance plan... (If you are familiar with the calling area of Mentor I only have a 8 mile calling radius, a very restrictive area imposed on us by Ohio Bell decades ago, & were never changed).. OK, off topic there but you get the idea! :D

This just gets as confusing (but not as much) as what NANPA is doing with the area codes, I don't believe in overlays, however the phone companies are all for these, as it will drive up many bills not knowing exactly where you are calling. The industries basic plot is to get me to get a cell phone or buy a long distance plan... (If you are familiar with the calling area of Mentor I only have a 8 mile calling radius, a very restrictive area imposed on us by Ohio Bell decades ago, & were never changed).. OK, off topic there but you get the idea! :D


One word, also off topic: VONAGE ;)

Paper this morning said the HD-3D thing at the Quicken Arena was wonderfull. Although the Spurs made the Cavs look like a high-school team. (IMHO).

JJK

Personally I think baseball looks great on FOX. I give STO points for improving their sound to the rear speakers this year, but I still wonder how come it reads "Dolby 3/2"? on my amp. Where is the "1"?

I love 5.1 audio done this way. I can turn off all the jabbering by turning off the center channel and just hear ambient sound...sprinkle a little imagination and you are there at the game.

Paper this morning said the HD-3D thing at the Quicken Arena was wonderfull. Although the Spurs made the Cavs look like a high-school team. (IMHO).

JJK

a friend of mine who went said it was terrible and left at half time. poor picture quality, poor views of the court, people getting in the way of the picture, etc.

Personally I think baseball looks great on FOX. I give STO points for improving their sound to the rear speakers this year, but I still wonder how come it reads "Dolby 3/2"? on my amp. Where is the "1"?

There is no "1" because STO is not sending a signal for a subwoofer.

I doubt many NBC affiliates on channels other than 4 would want to jump on board to this "same network/same channel" system and lose their localized brand they've worked for 50 some years to achieve.

I agree with you. I sincerely doubt that the scenario Michael referred to will take place because of all of the problems it would engender.

There is no "1" because STO is not sending a signal for a subwoofer.

But I hear the subwolfer booming. Or am I just hearing things?

But I hear the sub woofer booming. Or am I just hearing things?

Since DD5.1 includes 5 channels of 20Hz to 20,000Hz and one channel of 20Hz to 120Hz for LFE, you can have low frequencies coming out of any speaker in the system. To prevent damage to smaller speakers most receivers have the option to direct the lower frequencies to the subwoofer if present.

So, if you have configured your receiver to note you have "small" speakers in your system, it will direct some of the low frequencies to your sub woofer.

Is anybody else hearing an information commercial bleeding through on STO right now? I'm getting it on both channel 179 and 17 via TW cable.

The game is getting ready to start soon. Whom do we contact? Or is this a TW thing?

I noticed that too when I tuned in with the game in progress. I turned off the TV sound and went with audio from WTAM-1100. I never went back to see if/when the infomercial audio went away.

I noticed that too when I tuned in with the game in progress. I turned off the TV sound and went with audio from WTAM-1100. I never went back to see if/when the infomercial audio went away.


Thanks for your reply. A bit late now but I began to wonder what the heck was going on.

I just went to another baseball game and checked back around the 6th inning. I think they had it straightened out by then but man, what an engineering screw up!

Regarding that infomercial I I heard on Sunday I while trying to watch the Tribes game got a message back from STO.

Dear Time Warner Cable Subscribers,



Thanks for taking the time to email SportsTime Ohio.



We were unaware of the audio problem on Time Warner Cable during our telecast on Sunday June 10th. Unfortunately, the problem did not originate from STO. If it did, our master control operators would have corrected the problem immediately. I contacted the chief engineer at TWC, and here is his response:



The headend in Cleveland reported the problem, caused by a cross talk issue with the main video routing switcher. It would have affected customers in the Macedonia and Bainbridge areas of Cleveland only. According to our log, the problem was resolved during the third inning of the game. Sorry for the issue.



Please feel free to contact me in the future if you encounter any problems with STO.



Ed Niemi

Vice President,

Affiliate Relations & Distribution

SportsTime Ohio

25 Prospect, Suite 1700 Republic

Cleveland, OH 44115

216-736-4451 direct

216-736-4414 fax

eniemi@sportstimeohio.com

www.sportstimeohio.com

It appears soon Cleveland will have no O&O network stations. WJW is being put up for sale. Read about it here (http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/) and let's all pray that Raycom doesn't buy it.

It appears soon Cleveland will have no O&O network stations. WJW is being put up for sale. Read about it here and let's all pray that Raycom doesn't buy it.

O&O ??

O&O ??

Owned and Operated by the network(in the case of WJW that would be Fox). I think the implication is that O&O's may have somewhat more liberal budgets when it comes to buying new equipment and keeping up with the latest technology. As Hookbill has often remarked, Raycom owned affiliates are often reputed to be at the opposite end of that spectrum.

Please visit hxxp://www.timewarnercablesucks.info and PM me if you have any interest in getting involved!

Nothing will ever get solved unless we organize under a united front!

Please visit hxxp://www.timewarnercablesucks.info and PM me if you have any interest in getting involved!

Nothing will ever get solved unless we organize under a united front!

roflol....wtf is this, some kind of spam? And even then this guy, after editing didn't get the website right.

Well, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. It looks like a brand new message board for people who want to b**ch about TWC. It's got like 3 post total on it. Don't waste your time.

As Hookbill has often remarked, Raycom owned affiliates are often reputed to be at the opposite end of that spectrum.

My good friend Inundated also points this out frequently. :) Other speculations are Sinclair may want to get into the market. But could you imagine 3 Cleveland stations with "Action News". Horrifying.

Fox OTA 8.1 HD for some reason on the live news the background behind the news anchors has a lot noise the last few weeks. It is only on the news anchors desk set and nowhere else. Signal strength is 98 and the signal to noise is 32 db.
JJK

Yes it is a new forum, it is not spam. If enough people get together to complain about Time Warner Cable perhaps our state and local representatives will be able to help us.

If we all just sit complacent and do nothing then Time Warner wins and we, the consumers have to just take it.

The site is new, and was just registered the other day by a friend of mine who just wasted 2 weeks of his life dealing with TWC in north east ohio.

AVS is great, the local forums have been helpful but this topic is pretty all over the place.

I applaud the effort to get people together on a unified front to fight a monopoly.

Give it a chance a forum needs to start somewhere!

www.timewarnercablesucks.info

Not trying to steal users or thunder from AVS just trying to expose TWC for what it really is.

Thank You!

The site is new, and was just registered the other day by a friend of mine who just wasted 2 weeks of his life dealing with TWC in north east ohio.


By a friend of yours, eh? Burning bridges is not a good way to get ahead in life.

Have you ever heard the phrase "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar?"

By a friend of yours, eh? Burning bridges is not a good way to get ahead in life.

Have you ever heard the phrase "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar?"

I agree in most cases you get more done by being nice and friendly, but in this case dealing with TWC at least here in NE Ohio is virtually impossible.

You had PM'd me about getting me help to get service and CableCards for a machine I was ordering through VelocityMicro after my friend ordered his.

After his debockle I experienced nearly the same thing. Your contact at TWC that you said you communicated with never contacted me and after a while I gave up on getting new technology.

If you have had a good TWC experience we would love to hear it too. Maybe it will help those of us who have not gotten the same quality service you have to get better results.

I value your opinion and those of everyone on AVS, this site has been very valuable to me.

Thank You For Your Input.

I agree in most cases you get more done by being nice and friendly, but in this case dealing with TWC at least here in NE Ohio is virtually impossible.

You had PM'd me about getting me help to get service and CableCards for a machine I was ordering through VelocityMicro after my friend ordered his.

After his debockle I experienced nearly the same thing. Your contact at TWC that you said you communicated with never contacted me and after a while I gave up on getting new technology.

If you have had a good TWC experience we would love to hear it too. Maybe it will help those of us who have not gotten the same quality service you have to get better results.

I value your opinion and those of everyone on AVS, this site has been very valuable to me.

Thank You For Your Input.

TWC is still, for all intesive purposes Adelphia at heart. It's pretty much the same people, except for customer service which now for some reason in my area comes out of North Canton. These reps seem more knowledgeable then the old ones, a little better trained but still not perfect.

TWC is no better or worst then most of the other cable companies I have experienced. I don't really see how having a site that has a name of "timewarnercable sucks" is going to do much to change anything. Even if you are offering people to share good experiences, which I have had a few, it's own name is going to draw mostly people complaining. And how this is going to "change" things I simply don't understand. It's just another message board where people can complain. TW will never look at it and I doubt anyone else of any prominence will either.

Still as a sign of good faith to another member of this Forum I will be happy to post a comment over there. Good luck.

By a friend of yours, eh? Burning bridges is not a good way to get ahead in life.

Have you ever heard the phrase "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar?"

Really. What was that, the ultimate TWC horror story? Intentional give the CSR wrong information then cry about it when it backfires on you.

he gave them the real story and no one wanted to support the device, and he did tell the vp at twc corporate as well and it still was not resolved.

I agree in most cases you get more done by being nice and friendly, but in this case dealing with TWC at least here in NE Ohio is virtually impossible.

Although I agree that dealing with TWC here in NE Ohio is often impossible, there is no benefit to be gained by losing your temper, since being angry at someone does not cause them to become more competent than they were when you were being friendly.

IMO it's a waste of your energy to yell at people who would solve your problem if they knew how, but don't know how. I've never actually talked to anyone at TWC (or at Adelphia) who was purposely being difficult. If something wasn't getting solved, either they didn't understand my problem or they didn't know how to fix it and tried their best. Yelling at them might let you blow off steam, but it doesn't usually result in a solution to the problem.


The current batch of technical reps is variable in quality. I have had a couple of knowledgeable people and a couple of others who were not. In the latter class were two people who said that they could fix my problems with getting On Demand services by sending someone out to replace my SA8300HD cable box. When I asked them if they could guarantee that the tech would have a replacement for this scarce (to them!) item on the truck, they said that they could not guarantee it. The source of the problem was actually in their system, the **next** tech representative told me when I called back. He told me they were working on it, and in fact the problem was fixed several days later.

I do suppose the name was created out of over all anger and rage and perhaps you are right it should be changed.

It only cost my friend $0.99 cents to register.

I will discuss getting the name changed if it would help our cause in gathering valuable consumer information regarding Time Warner cable

In an attempt to be more "political" we have just registered www.timewarnercableinfo.com

The site will be geared toward all information that may help TWC customers.

Although I agree that dealing with TWC here in NE Ohio is often impossible, there is no benefit to be gained by losing your temper, since being angry at someone does not cause them to become more competent than they were when you were being friendly.

IMO it's a waste of your energy to yell at people who would solve your problem if they knew how, but don't know how. I've never actually talked to anyone at TWC (or at Adelphia) who was purposely being difficult. If something wasn't getting solved, either they didn't understand my problem or they didn't know how to fix it and tried their best. Yelling at them might let you blow off steam, but it doesn't usually result in a solution to the problem.


The current batch of technical reps is variable in quality. I have had a couple of knowledgeable people and a couple of others who were not. In the latter class were two people who said that they could fix my problems with getting On Demand services by sending someone out to replace my SA8300HD cable box. When I asked them if they could guarantee that the tech would have a replacement for this scarce (to them!) item on the truck, they said that they could not guarantee it. The source of the problem was actually in their system, the **next** tech representative told me when I called back. He told me they were working on it, and in fact the problem was fixed several days later.

The main issues seem to stem from lack of training from the top of the company down.
I agree that it is usually not the CSRs fault per say. If there was better training then yes I would agree most issues would be eliminated.

However there does not seem to be much in the way of training, or even a standardized support script they should be following to attempt to help you.

They also seem very disorganized with regards to having equipment, sending that equipment out with truck rolls and general internal communication between departments.

All of these things lead to a less than desirable outcome for most customers/potential customers.

In all my dealing with TWC I have never yelled at anyone, I am from the school of "kill them with kindness" but if the person on the phone has no idea what you are talking about, or has not been trained in any way, beaming sunshine and rainbows at them on the phone is still not going to help.

The concept of our new site www.timewarnercableinfo.com (to be more political and unbiased) is aimed at gathering as much information as possible on TWC to help other customers or potential customers make informed purchasing decisions.

We also hope to gather enough information to present a case against TWC to the PUCO, BBB and our state and local representatives for help in getting something done to better the overall situation.

I welcome all of your comments but I do not think this is the proper venue. If you have comments on TWC, your positive or negative experience please post them on www.timewarnercableinfo.com

I do not wish to take up any more of this threads time.

Thank You All

It seems to me that FOX has completely backed down on it's promise to bring "most" games in HD. It looks like they choose one feed out of the three each week now. I noticed the only game in HD this week is Los Angeles vs Anaheim.

I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about it on this board. Tribe game is in upgraded 480i, which is OK but not HD. Anyone else aware of this?

It seems to me that FOX has completely backed down on it's promise to bring "most" games in HD. It looks like they choose one feed out of the three each week now. I noticed the only game in HD this week is Los Angeles vs Anaheim.

I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about it on this board. Tribe game is in upgraded 480i, which is OK but not HD. Anyone else aware of this?

I don't think we talk about it here in the Cleveland thread because Fox prefers to put anything Yankees/Red Sox in HD, and screw everything else.

It has however been discussed over in the HDTV Programming thread. Fox has only had one game a week in HD so far this year. At least they have improved the quality of the 480 widescreen over previous years. One excuse I heard was Fox isn't done with their main HD ready network center in Houston(?) so they don't have the capacity to do more than 1 game. Seems like baloney considering they do 6 NFL games in HD every Sunday...

I have a samsung sir-t151, and fox 8 seems to be glitching, dropping sound for a quarter second every 20-30 seconds. Is anyone else with this receiver having this problem? I'm trying to narrow it down between the receiver firmware and my reception.

I don't think we talk about it here in the Cleveland thread because Fox prefers to put anything Yankees/Red Sox in HD, and screw everything else.

It has however been discussed over in the HDTV Programming thread. Fox has only had one game a week in HD so far this year. At least they have improved the quality of the 480 widescreen over previous years. One excuse I heard was Fox isn't done with their main HD ready network center in Houston(?) so they don't have the capacity to do more than 1 game. Seems like baloney considering they do 6 NFL games in HD every Sunday...

Of course it's baloney. And they did say they would televise "most" games in HD. How in the heck is one out of 3 "most".

I do agree however, their 480 widescreen quality is much better. Still, not HD.

Apparently they don't want to upset the huge Southern California audience as that game is in HD today.

If you're on TWC-ex-Adelphia and had Adelphia's higher-speed Internet service, listen up.

Check your bill and see if TWC is billing you for Road Runner Premium ($17/mo. extra).

I am usually the type to pay the bill and not look at the details, if it's not exceedingly high. Noticing that my last bill was higher than I expected, I looked, and saw this item.

After going through two CSRs - including one who told me "oh, I have to transfer you to Customer Service to fix that" (umm, who are YOU?) - they finally figured out that there was a billing coding error in the transition.

Road Runner Turbo is, at least in the Cleveland ex-Adelphia market, $9.95 a month on top of the standard service. If you go to twcneo.com and find the former Adelphia/Comcast channel lineups, all of them have the current pricing, and that's there in the Cleveland-area lineups.

(The second rep tried to tell me that Turbo is indeed "priced differently in your area" [??], which I disproved by leading her to the company's own Cleveland lineup card.)

Anyway, there's a chance you could be affected by this, and I have no idea if they've fixed the problem for everyone who might be affected.

(This isn't HDTV related, of course, but I know we have a lot of TWC/ex-Adelphia customers here.)

Since when the heck does RR only cost $10 a month?!? I thought is was like $30?

Read this again in my message:

Road Runner Turbo is, at least in the Cleveland ex-Adelphia market, $9.95 a month on top of the standard service.

The standard RR is something around $45. "Turbo" is $9.95 extra.

If you're on TWC-ex-Adelphia and had Adelphia's higher-speed Internet service, listen up.

Check your bill and see if TWC is billing you for Road Runner Premium ($17/mo. extra).

I am usually the type to pay the bill and not look at the details, if it's not exceedingly high. Noticing that my last bill was higher than I expected, I looked, and saw this item.

After going through two CSRs - including one who told me "oh, I have to transfer you to Customer Service to fix that" (umm, who are YOU?) - they finally figured out that there was a billing coding error in the transition.

Road Runner Turbo is, at least in the Cleveland ex-Adelphia market, $9.95 a month on top of the standard service. If you go to twcneo.com and find the former Adelphia/Comcast channel lineups, all of them have the current pricing, and that's there in the Cleveland-area lineups.

(The second rep tried to tell me that Turbo is indeed "priced differently in your area" [??], which I disproved by leading her to the company's own Cleveland lineup card.)

Anyway, there's a chance you could be affected by this, and I have no idea if they've fixed the problem for everyone who might be affected.

(This isn't HDTV related, of course, but I know we have a lot of TWC/ex-Adelphia customers here.)

Yeah, the theiving crooks got me too. ;) I got it taken care of.

Just a hint for anyone else who calls. If you have a billing problem DO NOT press the billing key. Press repair instead so you don't get to explain your problem to one person and get "transfered" to customer service. I had that happen to me a couple of weeks ago so now I just press "repair" and they can take care of everything.

It appears soon Cleveland will have no O&O network stations. WJW is being put up for sale. Read about it here (http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/) and let's all pray that Raycom doesn't buy it.

Depends on how you look at the term O&O. If you define the 6 major networks then yes Cleveland will be with out an O&O, but if you count Spanish, Christian, and other networks, then no Cleveland will still have an O&O.

WQHS-61 = Univision owner Univision communications
WDLI-17 = TBN owner Trinity Broadcasting
WVPX-23 = ION owner ION media

If you read the comments section of the entry, everything has been placed out there from investment bankers, to equity firms, to raycheap (raycom), to sincrap (sinclair), to CBS, to tribune, to somehow Gannet who owns ch 3 getting involved and even a suggestion that somehow Fox is going to sell ch 8 and buy ch 19 and 43 so they can have a duopoly. So I quess until the sale closes eveything is on the table at this point.

If you go over to Frank Macek from ch 3's blog, in his entry concerning the sale of ch 8 he brings up the idea of Gannet getting involved and how in Cleveland, Denver, St. Louis & Greensboro, both Fox and Gannet have stations. There is no way where Gannet can own both ch 3 and 8 since they are both considered 2 of the top four stations in town and a VHF duopoly is not allowed in a market of Cleveland's size, but what would his suggestion be?

http://www.wkyc.com/weblog/directors_cut/2007/06/directors-alert-wjw-being-sold-by-fox.html

http://www.wkyc.com/weblog/directors_cut/

I still think there indeed is an angle to this story that when it comes out, Cleveland will have one of the 6 major networks (ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,CW,MY TV) owning a station in the market. Granted the market is slipping in population and market size but it is still a top 20 market so I don't see Cleveland not having on of the major players owning a station here.

I sure hope it's not Sinclair. I've read nothing but really really bad things about them here on AVS.

I sure hope it's not Sinclair. I've read nothing but really really bad things about them here on AVS.

Well deserved, too. Just ask the folks down in Columbus, who have to deal with them owning the ABC and FOX affiliates (WSYX/6 and WTTE/28, respectively).

Last I'd heard, they were in a dispute with TWC about carriage.

ETA: Apparently, that was solved earlier this year:

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9547251&&#post9547251

Now, it's not that TWC doesn't have other carriage issues, but it's a hallmark of Sinclair - they want to squeeze every penny out of the thing that they can, and they're a leader in the "get cable to pay us cash money" sweepstakes.

Their news operations are usually the third-rated in any market they're in. Their Sacramento CBS affiliate was the joke of the market for years, until they sold it to CBS.

If Sinclair bids for WJW/8, and is successful...ouch.

Anyone know the status of CW HD on TWC? I'm stuck with a QAM tuner for now so I'll take all the local HD I can get.

And when ABC's gonna fix that sound/video problem.

Anyone know the status of CW HD on TWC? I'm stuck with a QAM tuner for now so I'll take all the local HD I can get.

And when ABC's gonna fix that sound/video problem.
Or on WOW?

I have a samsung sir-t151, and fox 8 seems to be glitching, dropping sound for a quarter second every 20-30 seconds. Is anyone else with this receiver having this problem? I'm trying to narrow it down between the receiver firmware and my reception.

Due to repeats I can't confirm your exact timings, but I had a similar problem with fox 8 last week for the few minutes I was watching. This was OTA through my TV.

It appears soon Cleveland will have no O&O network stations. WJW is being put up for sale. Read about it here (http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/) and let's all pray that Raycom doesn't buy it.
Why then is FOX remodeling the WJW news set (so it matches the "FOX" news look)? If CBS buys WJW then we would still have an O&O, just a different network's O&O. This would move the majority of the regular-season Browns games to WJW (that would be just fine with the Lerner family BTW).

I sure hope it's not Sinclair. I've read nothing but really really bad things about them here on AVS.

I can attest to that. I used to get The Tube on their one station's subchannel here until January 1, then they replaced it with a useless SD feed of the main channel just like their other station has on theirs.

Pray to the HDTV gods that they don't get involved, or they too will give you useless SD simulcast subchannels!

I just got an e-mail from the marketing department at WEAO-DT/WNEO-DT. They plan on starting HDTV transmissions on Tuesday 6/26 at 9am on channel 49.1 and 45.1 respectively.

I'm looking forward to being able to access PBS-HD programming in NE Ohio again.

So I see from Inundated that TW is ripping me off. Charging too much for Road Runner Zoom. So I call Customer Service and say what's the deal. Apology comes and a refund is promised along with lower prices.

She also decided to turn off my HD box. :eek:

I call cs and they explain to me that I do not have an HD box I have a DVR, non HD (here we go again). I say no and after much ado the box is turned on.

Except there is no High Tier HD.

I call again and go through all the stuff again and they fix the High Tier HD.

Except they turned off my digital tier.

I call about the digital tier and they fix that again. But the High Tier HD is off again.

I call again and get a CSR who tells me that they have to do a truck roll. :confused:

I say, thank you, apparently you haven't worked here long.

I call again and a CSR desperately tries to help me but then says I got to call back on Monday because unless the wherehouse has the right numbers for my box this is never going to get straightened out. (Remember, it was fine until I called about my internet bill.)

So it's a new day and I call TW. The CSR tells me that I need a truck roll to confirm what I am saying. I say thank you, I don't think you know what you're talking about. I call back. I get a very nice rep who calls the wherehouse, leaves a vm with the supervisor and promtply puts my hd stations back.

Except the digital tier is gone (again).

I call again and get the same rep I talked to the first time so she decides to show me and after I give her my number she says one moment....and dumps me back into the que.

I call my contact an head end and leave her a message.

I call again and I am then told that the only way to resolve this is to bring the box down to TW or roll a truck.

I get in my car and go to TW.

They are closed from 1:00 to 2:00. That's ok, I've only got 5 minutes to wait in the 95 degree heat.

I bring the box in and the rep says no, the box is listed correctly and proceeds to program it with all my stuff. We go through everything. I think.

When I get home I plug it in, boot it up and it works fine.

Except there is no HBO. :mad:

I call Customer Service again and say I have no HBO. The CSR mumbles a bit and says "My supervisor will have to do this. We will have it on for you in 15 minutes.

True to her work 15 minutes later HBO is back on.

Except my HD Higher Tier is not working.

I call again and a very nice rep says we will get it working right! She fixes the HD Higher Tier. And promptly looses my digital tier.

Call waiting rings, it's my contact at head end. She says go on with the rep and if that doesn't work call her back.

The rep then looses all my digital channels. All I have is analog. No HD. Nothing. She says, "Oh my, I don't know what tod do."

Thanks, I have to go. I call my contact at head end.

2 hours go by and she calls me back. She says she's not at a terminal but has a supervisor working on it.

At 6:00 pm I got a call from a "resolution specialist". Finally it's fixed. Everything.

The End.

Thanks a bunch, Inundated! :p

Holy ****!

Today (June 18) was supposed to be launch day for UVerse in Cleveland...

So I see from Inundated that TW is ripping me off. Charging too much for Road Runner Zoom. So I call Customer Service and say what's the deal. Apology comes and a refund is promised along with lower prices.

Yow.... I would write a letter and demand a free month's service in exchange for the trouble they put you through. I laughed out loud when I read your post...until I had the thought that my cable box could be next :eek: :eek: :eek:

UuuVerse?... UuuVerse?... Uuuverse?... Uuuverse?...

I just got an e-mail from the marketing department at WEAO-DT/WNEO-DT. They plan on starting HDTV transmissions on Tuesday 6/26 at 9am on channel 49.1 and 45.1 respectively.

I'm looking forward to being able to access PBS-HD programming in NE Ohio again.
Great News! I've never seen PBS-HD programming. I can't wait!

Great News! I've never seen PBS-HD programming. I can't wait!

Russ, if they do it as well as WQED, Pittsburgh, you're in for a treat!

If you're on TWC-ex-Adelphia and had Adelphia's higher-speed Internet service, listen up.

Check your bill and see if TWC is billing you for Road Runner Premium ($17/mo. extra).

Road Runner Turbo is, at least in the Cleveland ex-Adelphia market, $9.95 a month on top of the standard service. If you go to twcneo.com and find the former Adelphia/Comcast channel lineups, all of them have the current pricing, and that's there in the Cleveland-area lineups.
Thanks for the tip. I checked my bill, and it turns out that they are billing me correctly (amazing, no?). But since I have no idea what these various options are, I thought I'd ask. I'm fairly confident that I'll get more accurate info here than I would by asking anyone at TWC.

I seem to have Road Runner Standard, which costs me $42.95 per month (since I own my modem). I seem to have several other options: 1) Road Runner Basic, which appears to cost about $18/month less than what I'm paying now, 2) Road Runner Turbo, which seems to cost an additional $10/month, and 3) Road Runner Premium, which apparently costs even more (though it's not listed on the rate card).

As far as I can tell, the Premium package just gives me membership in some dubious websites that are of no value to me.

The Turbo package claims speeds of up to 15mbps for download. Does anyone have any real world tests to back that up? And what is the corresponding upload speed? That might be worth paying an extra $10.

And what is the Basic package? Just how crippled is it?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows.

Thanks for the tip. I checked my bill, and it turns out that they are billing me correctly (amazing, no?). But since I have no idea what these various options are, I thought I'd ask. I'm fairly confident that I'll get more accurate info here than I would by asking anyone at TWC.

I seem to have Road Runner Standard, which costs me $42.95 per month (since I own my modem). I seem to have several other options: 1) Road Runner Basic, which appears to cost about $18/month less than what I'm paying now, 2) Road Runner Turbo, which seems to cost an additional $10/month, and 3) Road Runner Premium, which apparently costs even more (though it's not listed on the rate card).

As far as I can tell, the Premium package just gives me membership in some dubious websites that are of no value to me.

The Turbo package claims speeds of up to 15mbps for download. Does anyone have any real world tests to back that up? And what is the corresponding upload speed? That might be worth paying an extra $10.

And what is the Basic package? Just how crippled is it?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows.

There are plenty of places to check your internet speed. I like this (http://www.auditmypc.com/internet-speed-test.asp) one. I think it's worth the extra 10 bucks because I use Voip and my wife I both play games from time to time on the internet.

Does anyone know where they got moved to? I live out of akron ohio and the service around here are time warner cable. I used to get NBC on channel 80-1, ABC 104-1 without using their digital box. But now for some reason NBC is gone, must have been moved. I cant seem to find it when I do a serch on my tv, does anyone know where they moved the channel to?

Thanks for the tip. I checked my bill, and it turns out that they are billing me correctly (amazing, no?). But since I have no idea what these various options are, I thought I'd ask. I'm fairly confident that I'll get more accurate info here than I would by asking anyone at TWC.

I seem to have Road Runner Standard, which costs me $42.95 per month (since I own my modem). I seem to have several other options: 1) Road Runner Basic, which appears to cost about $18/month less than what I'm paying now, 2) Road Runner Turbo, which seems to cost an additional $10/month, and 3) Road Runner Premium, which apparently costs even more (though it's not listed on the rate card).



The Turbo package claims speeds of up to 15mbps for download. Does anyone have any real world tests to back that up? And what is the corresponding upload speed? That might be worth paying an extra $10.
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Massillon Cable employees claims to use
http://performance.toast.net/

Some of my faves (all free) :

http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

http://helpme.att.net/dsl/speedtest/

http://speedtest.dslreports.com

http://www.internetfrog.com/mypc/speedtest/

Jim Gillliland:
Just make sure you use a router switch instead of a hub if you have multiple computers in the house. A hub will cut the speed in half depending on the number of machines whereas a router switch will not affect speed. I personally use Windstream at 1.5 meg and it is right on the money. Once in a while it will be slow depending on the website you are on. As for cable all the people I know say if it is busy it is slowed down substantially but that is just what they say.
JJK

Does anyone know where they got moved to? I live out of akron ohio and the service around here are time warner cable. I used to get NBC on channel 80-1, ABC 104-1 without using their digital box. But now for some reason NBC is gone, must have been moved. I cant seem to find it when I do a serch on my tv, does anyone know where they moved the channel to?

You must not watch much tv... ever :). NBC QAM was moved to 101.1 and 101.2 a couple of months ago.

There are plenty of places to check your internet speed.

I'm not worried about testing MY speed - I've done that plenty of times. What I want to know is what to expect from those other alternatives - the "Basic" service or the "Turbo" service.

So how much slower is the "Basic" service, and how much faster is the "Turbo" service? And what about the "Premium" service - is that faster than the "Turbo" service, or is it the same? Anyone know? If TWC is offering four different levels of internet service, there must be some differences among them.

Does the "Turbo" service really deliver 15mbps down? That would be quite a bit faster than their standard service. It would probably be worth an extra ten bucks/month if that claim isn't exaggerated.

(I just reread my earlier note, and I'm not sure why anyone thought that I was asking about the speed of my existing service. There must be some ambiguity in my words that I'm just not seeing.)

Just make sure you use a router switch instead of a hub if you have multiple computers in the house. A hub will cut the speed in half depending on the number of machines whereas a router switch will not affect speed.
Unless you're getting a much faster connection from TWC than I am, I can't imagine that making any difference. With 100 megabits (wired) or even 54 megabits (wifi), you could easily cut it in half and still have a home network that runs much faster than the TWC connection.

My network is wired with several switches. But even if I put in hubs, it wouldn't slow things down anywhere near the TWC speed. The cable modem is the bottleneck, not the hub or the switch.

I'm not worried about testing MY speed - I've done that plenty of times. What I want to know is what to expect from those other alternatives - the "Basic" service or the "Turbo" service.

So how much slower is the "Basic" service, and how much faster is the "Turbo" service? And what about the "Premium" service - is that faster than the "Turbo" service, or is it the same? Anyone know? If TWC is offering four different levels of internet service, there must be some differences among them.

Does the "Turbo" service really deliver 15mbps down? That would be quite a bit faster than their standard service. It would probably be worth an extra ten bucks/month if that claim isn't exaggerated.

(I just reread my earlier note, and I'm not sure why anyone thought that I was asking about the speed of my existing service. There must be some ambiguity in my words that I'm just not seeing.)

I don't know how TWC "turbo" works, but I've read where other cable providers boost the initial download speed, then it tapers off to something less. Something like your download will start at 15Mbps for a few minutes, then gradually get reduced down to a standard 6Mbps for the rest of the download. I guess the objective being people who only do short downloads will notice a speed increase, but the bandwidth hog movie downloaders won't cripple the network.

I don't know how TWC "turbo" works, but I've read where other cable providers boost the initial download speed, then it tapers off to something less. Something like your download will start at 15Mbps for a few minutes, then gradually get reduced down to a standard 6Mbps for the rest of the download. I guess the objective being people who only do short downloads will notice a speed increase, but the bandwidth hog movie downloaders won't cripple the network.Interesting, thanks. Of course, even 6mbps would be a bit faster than the 4 or so that I see now. But a slow-down approach like that would make it a lot less interesting. The only time you really need the speed is when you're downloading something quite large. Otherwise, the standard speed is plenty.

(I just reread my earlier note, and I'm not sure why anyone thought that I was asking about the speed of my existing service. There must be some ambiguity in my words that I'm just not seeing.)

I understood what you were asking. I just thought I'd provide the link in case you didn't have any idea what your current speed was. Unfortunately I couldn't answer your questions. I even just searched Road Runner to see if there were comparison speeds.

Sorry if I didn't meet the expectations you desired.

I still think someone is messing around engineering wise at 8.1 OTA. The local live news main desk set is noisy and lower resolution than other sets which are just fine. All the network stuff is the same quality as before. The sparkle in their eyes is gone as a lot of the facial zits and it is just on that set's cameras. When they switch to a different location on the set everything is fine. The difference is extremely noticeable. Signal strength is 98. This is on my 1080P set.
JJK

I still think someone is messing around engineering wise at 8.1 OTA. The local live news main desk set is noisy and lower resolution than other sets which are just fine. All the network stuff is the same quality as before. The sparkle in their eyes is gone as a lot of the facial zits and it is just on that set's cameras. When they switch to a different location on the set everything is fine. The difference is extremely noticeable. Signal strength is 98. This is on my 1080P set.
JJK
I heard that FOX 8 is remodeling their news set. They moved the old set to another studio, so there may be a difference in the lighting which might be causing the differences you are seeing.

I understood what you were asking. I just thought I'd provide the link in case you didn't have any idea what your current speed was. Unfortunately I couldn't answer your questions. I even just searched Road Runner to see if there were comparison speeds. Sorry if I didn't meet the expectations you desired.
Thanks for attempting the research. I wasn't able to find anything when I did it either. With so many responses about speed testing, I just thought that I'd been misunderstood.

I heard that FOX 8 is remodeling their news set. They moved the old set to another studio, so there may be a difference in the lighting which might be causing the differences you are seeing.

Yes, they're remodeling right now. I'm sure this explains the differences in appearance.

Yes, they're remodeling right now. I'm sure this explains the differences in appearance.

Which makes this whole "sale" thing so strange because they are suppose to have a set that looks similar to FOX News. :confused:

Seems like a waste of money if you're putting the station up for sale, but what the heck do I know. :)

hookbill, I'm sorry you went through all that, though I'm not responsible :D

Heck, even with what I went through, I kept all the services I had!

BTW, I do believe "Premium" at $17/mo. includes all those various website memberships, and that "Turbo"'s speed - they told me - is supposed to be 8Mbps. It checks out with my own speed tests. It's the same speed Adelphia bumped me up to, when I first signed up for it under their ownership.

You must not watch much tv... ever :). NBC QAM was moved to 101.1 and 101.2 a couple of months ago.

What is the difference between QAM & ATSC tuners?? is the QAM for cable?

One word, also off topic: VONAGE ;)
TY bill... but no HS internet yet, I'm still on dialup....

but for $22/mo total for ALL my communications... I guess I can't complain that loud. :)

That vonage actually work? I got a voice optiion with my isp I leave it off, it's terrible sound , choppy, drops out & crashes the pc.

What is the difference between QAM & ATSC tuners?? is the QAM for cable?

QAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM) is a modulation scheme cable uses for ATSC signals. 8VSB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8VSB) is the modulation scheme used for OTA transmissions of ATSC signals. Generally if you find a tuner that is only an "ATSC" tuner, then it will only do 8VSB demodulation. If you find one that also supports QAM, then you have found one that can do 8VSB and QAM demodulation.

I'm not worried about testing MY speed - I've done that plenty of times. What I want to know is what to expect from those other alternatives - the "Basic" service or the "Turbo" service.

So how much slower is the "Basic" service, and how much faster is the "Turbo" service? And what about the "Premium" service - is that faster than the "Turbo" service, or is it the same? Anyone know? If TWC is offering four different levels of internet service, there must be some differences among them.

Does the "Turbo" service really deliver 15mbps down? That would be quite a bit faster than their standard service. It would probably be worth an extra ten bucks/month if that claim isn't exaggerated.

(I just reread my earlier note, and I'm not sure why anyone thought that I was asking about the speed of my existing service. There must be some ambiguity in my words that I'm just not seeing.)

Jim,

TWC is running commercials for $24.95 internet service. I assume this is their "Basic" service. The fine print on the commercial says 768kbps.

Chris.

TWC is running commercials for $24.95 internet service. I assume this is their "Basic" service. The fine print on the commercial says 768kbps.

That makes sense. Positions them to compete with dial-up and even some DSL. I don't think I'd want to live with that data rate, though. <g> Thanks.

TY bill... but no HS internet yet, I'm still on dialup....

but for $22/mo total for ALL my communications... I guess I can't complain that loud. :)

That vonage actually work? I got a voice optiion with my isp I leave it off, it's terrible sound , choppy, drops out & crashes the pc.If you are using a dialup that's why it sounds choppy and crashes the PC. That same service on a true broadband connection should work fine.

I just got an e-mail from the marketing department at WEAO-DT/WNEO-DT. They plan on starting HDTV transmissions on Tuesday 6/26 at 9am on channel 49.1 and 45.1 respectively.

I'm looking forward to being able to access PBS-HD programming in NE Ohio again.

I was just wondering last night if WEAO/WNEO would come through with their 'on or before July 1st' statement. This is great news. I'll make sure to check them out tomorrow night to see what they are broadcasting. I've yet to see PBS HD yet, so I'm really looking forward to this.

UuuVerse?... UuuVerse?... Uuuverse?... Uuuverse?...

It debuts today in SOME NE Ohio communities.

Good luck getting information on it out of AT&T though.