KennedyJ,

Are you getting 55-1 OTA?

Ben Music

Yes. I can pull in 55-1 at 78% on both the Tivo S3 and Tivo HD. I had a problem with it early on, but I think I did a new OTA channel scan and that fixed the problem. Are you struggling with signal lock, or just getting nothing?

Jason,

I don't get any signal at all on 55-1. I do get a grainy picture on analog 55. I do get 49-1 & 49-2 (WEAO-DT) with a slight turn of the ant rotor. I see that TWC has added WVIZ-HD (ch-25) to our line up on channel 214. I also noticed that they added ch-224 to the line up on the S-3. It's called HD Showcase On Demand, but it doesn't seem to have any signal yet. It also doesn't show up in the Moto cable box guide yet. I wonder what thats going to be all about.

Ben Music

Jason,

I don't get any signal at all on 55-1. I do get a grainy picture on analog 55. I do get 49-1 & 49-2 (WEAO-DT) with a slight turn of the ant rotor. I see that TWC has added WVIZ-HD (ch-25) to our line up on channel 214. I also noticed that they added ch-224 to the line up on the S-3. It's called HD Showcase On Demand, but it doesn't seem to have any signal yet. It also doesn't show up in the Moto cable box guide yet. I wonder what thats going to be all about.

Ben Music
That sure is strange as we don't live all that far apart. Have you tried to re-run the OTA channel scan? I can't explain how that helped me, but I think that's what did the trick.

I don't have a rotor on the antenna. I just have it aimed towards Parma and can reliably pickup all the locals. I get nothing at all for WEAO.

Regarding the new channel additions, unfortunately I cannot enjoy them. TWC billing really pissed me off over some bogus cablecard charges and I ended up dropping the digital package over the dispute.

Regarding the new channel additions, unfortunately I cannot enjoy them. TWC billing really pissed me off over some bogus cablecard charges and I ended up dropping the digital package over the dispute.

You know they tried the same thing with me. They were charging me for additional receivers saying that was my cable cards. I called the person I knew in head end and she had a "customer resolution specialist" take care of it. Fixed all my pricing and my bill went from 192.00 to 168.00 per month, including high speed internet.

Next month it will be cheaper because I just made my final payment for MLB so it will come down another 39 bucks.

Jason,

I too had cable card problems. It took them 3 trips before a tech was finally able to get both cards working. No functional problems since. As far as billing goes, they have been all over the map. On the first bill since the install, they they tried to charge me for 2 additional converter boxes and 2 extra remotes instead of just 2 cable cards. After an hour on the phone they finally gave me credit for the boxes and remotes that were never installed, and added two cards @ $2.50 each.

What they never tell you up front is they also charge an extra $2.00 for digital service on each card. The same as if you got 2 xtra boxes.

By the way, I did a new scan on the S-3, several times in fact, but no help for 55-1. Still no signal on cable, S-3, or Sat box.

Ben Music

Ben, you do know that 55-1 is actually on rf ch 30?

If your reception of analog 55 is grainy than your antenna is not aimed correctly.
Despite WBNX being licensed to Akron, their transmitter site is the farthest north of all the Cleveland sticks (right next to WOIO and 2 sticks down from WKYC). If you are aiming farther south for Akron that may be why you are having problems.

Hey Hook,

You and I must of had the same CSR working on our bills.

Also, back in June I received a letter from TWC, signed by Stephen R Fry (President of NEO Divison of TWC) that showed price changes effective on
July 1, 2007. It showed that the expanded basic would increase (no surprise here)
from $37.52 to $40.02. The same price list shows cable cards effective 7/1/07 @$1.75 each. I showed the letter to the CSR's at my Elyria TWC office and no one there knows anything about it or who to contact. What an outfit. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

Ben Music

Hey Hook,

You and I must of had the same CSR working on our bills.

Also, back in June I received a letter from TWC, signed by Stephen R Fry (President of NEO Divison of TWC) that showed price changes effective on
July 1, 2007. It showed that the expanded basic would increase (no surprise here)
from $37.52 to $40.02. The same price list shows cable cards effective 7/1/07 @$1.75 each. I showed the letter to the CSR's at my Elyria TWC office and no one there knows anything about it or who to contact. What an outfit. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

Ben Music

The letter I got on cable card prices said 3.00 for the first and 5.00 for the second. What they are actually charging me now is 2.50 each. :confused:

Oh and they are not suppose to charge you for "additional digital outlet" per card. That I know for a fact.

I had been running perfectly fine for two months with dual cable cards in my S3. Suddenly, the Cablecard in slot two stopped receiving digital signals so I had a tech come out. He worked with someone on the phone to troubleshoot the problem. They said that there was something wrong with how my account was setup and that they’d have me up and running shortly. After a few hits of the card, everything looked good and I sent the tech on his way. A few weeks later my bill comes and it is $20 bucks higher than the previous two months. A bunch of Digital Outlet and Digital Access fees had been added. My DVR service fee even increased $5. And ALL of these account changes occurred on the day that I had the tech out to my house. I spent two hours on the phone with TWC trying to get things straightened out to no avail.

I had spent a great deal of time negotiating an upgrade price on Digital cable a few months ago. The pricing I agreed to was promised to me for one year. Then along comes “Super CableCard Tech” who in one stroke reverses everything to “Fix” the problem. Terrible, terrible service. So now it’s analog and OTA for me…

FYI
Ok, here in Canton / N.Canton 44721, I am now receiving WVIZ-HD via QAM on channel 123-1.

I had been running perfectly fine for two months with dual cable cards in my S3. Suddenly, the Cablecard in slot two stopped receiving digital signals so I had a tech come out. He worked with someone on the phone to troubleshoot the problem. They said that there was something wrong with how my account was setup and that they’d have me up and running shortly. After a few hits of the card, everything looked good and I sent the tech on his way. A few weeks later my bill comes and it is $20 bucks higher than the previous two months. A bunch of Digital Outlet and Digital Access fees had been added. My DVR service fee even increased $5. And ALL of these account changes occurred on the day that I had the tech out to my house. I spent two hours on the phone with TWC trying to get things straightened out to no avail.

I had spent a great deal of time negotiating an upgrade price on Digital cable a few months ago. The pricing I agreed to was promised to me for one year. Then along comes “Super CableCard Tech” who in one stroke reverses everything to “Fix” the problem. Terrible, terrible service. So now it’s analog and OTA for me…

The problem is that Time Warner people don't understand their own billing system in relationship to ex Adelphia and Comcast customers. I had a thread I did a while back detailing all my troubles with this until I finally called the lady I know at head end. Then she got in touch with a Supervisor who took my account to the account specialist and he finally straightened everything out. For two days I was not getting some channels, then they would fix that and other channels diappeared. It was a nightmare. Had I not known someone in head end I don't think it ever would have been resolved.

Oh and this problem was started with one of their HD STB's. Basically, my S3 did OK through most of the problems except when I lost all my digital channels.

They kept telling me my HD STB was a DVR. :eek: Idiots.

Is anyone having problems with WKYC HD tonight? On MY direcTV system the channel disappeared earlier today. I have all the other HD locals and WKYC SD.

Is anyone having problems with WKYC HD tonight? On MY direcTV system the channel disappeared earlier today. I have all the other HD locals and WKYC SD.

OK here as of 9:00pm

Been ok here too but I'm getting it via QAM

Is anyone having problems with WKYC HD tonight? On MY direcTV system the channel disappeared earlier today. I have all the other HD locals and WKYC SD.

Yes! The first half of "The Office" was just not there at all. The half that was recorded was all pixelated and practically unwatchable. \

I tried watching WKYC later in the evening (live) and the same pixelation and artifacts were present. I'll have to check my recording of The Tonight Show to see if it was still happening after I fell asleep.

I was watching via Directv's MPEG-4 feed. I tried to get WKYC OTA but was unable to lock onto 3-1. For some reason, 3-2 (weather) was coming in just fine.

Hello fellow NE Ohio neighbors. I recently move out to Sheffield Village and wan considering putting up an antenna in the attic. I was considering the SquareShooter to receive OTA. Anyone have experience with this antenna on the west side? Any suggestions? I have a lot of space so there really is not restrictions except putting it outside.

http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm

Anyone sign up for AT&T U-Verse? Got tired of dealing with Time Warner, didn't feel like shelling out $400 to get Direct TV, and Dish doesn't have locals in HD. U-Verse has a ton of HD channels, and a bunch of channels that my TWC doesn't carry, example NFL Network, ESPN U, and my wife wants Soapnet (which the Adelphia and TWC people have, but not the former Comcast TWC people like me).

Any impressions? I'm really thinking about making the switch.

It is my understanding that you can only have one HD stream at a time (which should translate to a single HD tuner DVR). I've also heard the PQ is pretty lousy, but I've never seen it for myself so don't take my word for it.

Anyone sign up for AT&T U-Verse? Got tired of dealing with Time Warner, didn't feel like shelling out $400 to get Direct TV, and Dish doesn't have locals in HD. U-Verse has a ton of HD channels, and a bunch of channels that my TWC doesn't carry, example NFL Network, ESPN U, and my wife wants Soapnet (which the Adelphia and TWC people have, but not the former Comcast TWC people like me).

Any impressions? I'm really thinking about making the switch.

I agree with Terry, I really haven't heard anything good about U-Verse. Also anything that we have (Adelphia) you will get eventually.

To try to keep this on topic this Friday night try and look for me during the Yankees/Indians game. I'll be rooting against the Evil Empire and I'll be sitting in the Loge section where all the food and soft drinks are free. My wife just got tickets from her company.

OK, nobody knows what I look like and I'm just bragging. Still this should be fun. :)

I agree with Terry, I really haven't heard anything good about U-Verse. Also anything that we have (Adelphia) you will get eventually.
I understand that, but the switch was made about a year ago. We've gained nothing and lost channels. I can live without NFL Network, but I know my wife would love Soapnet (sad that it's the main channel I need and TWC can't give it to me). Not to mention my boxes suck, we don't even get On Demand really anymore because according to the CSR "TWC doesn't support the Motorola DVR boxes anymore". Well, great, can I get the updated boxes? I was told not till later in the year or early next year.

The former Comcast people are treated like crap from TWC and I've grown very tired of it.

I understand that, but the switch was made about a year ago. We've gained nothing and lost channels. I can live without NFL Network, but I know my wife would love Soapnet (sad that it's the main channel I need and TWC can't give it to me). Not to mention my boxes suck, we don't even get On Demand really anymore because according to the CSR "TWC doesn't support the Motorola DVR boxes anymore". Well, great, can I get the updated boxes? I was told not till later in the year or early next year.

The former Comcast people are treated like crap from TWC and I've grown very tired of it.


Really? Didn't you just get ESPN 2 and UHD? Also I understand you just got WVIZ-HD.

Well, give it a try and let us know how it works. I saw they had all kinds of packages for all kinds of different prices.

Really? Didn't you just get ESPN 2 and UHD? Also I understand you just got WVIZ-HD.

Well, give it a try and let us know how it works. I saw they had all kinds of packages for all kinds of different prices.
Yeah, I guess I'm just frustrated after being told my boxes are out of date and they aren't supporting them. We have gained ESPN2 HD, UHD, but still lacking channels that former Adelphia people have currently.

It just seems like they could care less about our little area, and took care of the Adelphia people right away. Our bills are even more expensive than Adelphia people.

Hey is anyone actually receiving WUAB-HD though TW yet? I was wondering why I'm now receiving WVIZ-HD but WUAB-HD is still nowhere to be found via QAM at least.

Hey is anyone actually receiving WUAB-HD though TW yet? I was wondering why I'm now receiving WVIZ-HD but WUAB-HD is still nowhere to be found via QAM at least.

I've been receiving WUAB-HD since the first day TW took over. You mean you can't receive it at all?

Ok, I called and went off on TWC. They are sending out 2 of the new boxes (whatever those are) tomorrow. I'm assuming the SA 8300, but trust me, anything is better than those POS Motorola DVR's.

I've been receiving WUAB-HD since the first day TW took over. You mean you can't receive it at all?

No, Not via QAM. I get it on SD channel 4, but can't find it in HD. WVIZ-HD just showed up yesterday.

Ok, I called and went off on TWC. They are sending out 2 of the new boxes (whatever those are) tomorrow. I'm assuming the SA 8300, but trust me, anything is better than those POS Motorola DVR's.

Good for you :). TW customer service sucks and the only way to get anything done is to stand up for your rights. POWER TO THE PEOPLE! :D
Good luck.

Ok, I called and went off on TWC. They are sending out 2 of the new boxes (whatever those are) tomorrow. I'm assuming the SA 8300, but trust me, anything is better than those POS Motorola DVR's.

I just wonder if it might be the SA 8300 HDC Those are the ones with cable cards in them. Haven't heard of anyone in our area getting them yet but I know that supply of the SA 8300 is low or none existent at this point and I think they got a shipment in recently.

I wouldn't bet the house you'll like it any better then your Moto box. But to be fair I've heard good stories about the Moto box just like I hear good stories about the SA 8300. Read my sig and you'll know how I feel about them. :rolleyes:

I just wonder if it might be the SA 8300 HDC Those are the ones with cable cards in them. Haven't heard of anyone in our area getting them yet but I know that supply of the SA 8300 is low or none existent at this point and I think they got a shipment in recently.

I wouldn't bet the house you'll like it any better then your Moto box. But to be fair I've heard good stories about the Moto box just like I hear good stories about the SA 8300. Read my sig and you'll know how I feel about them. :rolleyes:
She said it has a cable card in it, and they just got them in. I've never used the SA box, we've always had the Moto's.

In 4 years of having Comcast and TWC Moto's....we have always had 2 HD-DVR's. Our living room has had 18, yes, 18 boxes. Family room is on box #7.

Most common problem is it stops recording. It'll say it recorded the show, you get the first minute, then if fast forwards to the last minute, recording over. We had that happen on 16 of the 25 boxes. The other 7 issues (2 boxes still work that we have now) have been anywhere from it just not turning on anymore, to it recording everything pixelated.

So yes, anything, even a VCR is better at this point.

Most common problem is it stops recording. It'll say it recorded the show, you get the first minute, then if fast forwards to the last minute, recording over. We had that happen on 16 of the 25 boxes. The other 7 issues (2 boxes still work that we have now) have been anywhere from it just not turning on anymore, to it recording everything pixelated.

So yes, anything, even a VCR is better at this point.

Well, the most common problem I had with the SA 8300 was partial recordings as well. It would say it was recording, the light was on, but when you went to play back you may have only 20 minutes recorded. This happened at least 3 times a week.

That's why I got the TiVo S3. Now I'm not saying you should purchase one too, matter of fact if you do consider purchasing another DVR I recommend the new TiVo HD which has a msrp of 299.00.

You can always get a HD STB if you want On Demand.

Anyone else having trouble with 49-1 and 2
I cant get on 3 different devices

According to hdsportsguide.com, it would appear the Browns first preseason game at home vs. the Chiefs on WKYC will be in HD ! Mark your calendars for Saturday August 11. :D

According to hdsportsguide.com, it would appear the Browns first preseason game at home vs. the Chiefs on WKYC will be in HD ! Mark your calendars for Saturday August 11. :D

Look dude. My Dodgers are fighting for their division. The Tribe is also tyring to win a spot in the playoffs. Since when does a preseason football game with a team that still doesn't have much potential deserve a mark on the calendar.

Football starts 9/12 and I really give the best wishes to the Browns and also my Oakland Raiders. But for right now we've got bigger fish to fry. :)

To try to keep this on topic this Friday night try and look for me during the Yankees/Indians game. I'll be rooting against the Evil Empire and I'll be sitting in the Loge section where all the food and soft drinks are free. My wife just got tickets from her company.

OK, nobody knows what I look like and I'm just bragging. Still this should be fun. :)
Just bring one of your parrots on your shoulder :D
Is that a picture of you on your avatar (yes I know there are no avatars now, but I do remember seeing one in the past associated with your posts)?

I understand that, but the switch was made about a year ago. We've gained nothing and lost channels. I can live without NFL Network, but I know my wife would love Soapnet (sad that it's the main channel I need and TWC can't give it to me). Not to mention my boxes suck, we don't even get On Demand really anymore because according to the CSR "TWC doesn't support the Motorola DVR boxes anymore". Well, great, can I get the updated boxes? I was told not till later in the year or early next year.

The former Comcast people are treated like crap from TWC and I've grown very tired of it.
I get both of those channels now on the middle tier of E* (I think they call it Top-200 now, the number keeps growing).

Hello fellow NE Ohio neighbors. I recently move out to Sheffield Village and wan considering putting up an antenna in the attic. I was considering the SquareShooter to receive OTA. Anyone have experience with this antenna on the west side? Any suggestions? I have a lot of space so there really is not restrictions except putting it outside.

http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htmAttac installations are subject to interference from anything ferrous (aluminum foil on insulation for example). It's worse for indoor antennas, especially if you have aluminum siding.

The higher you can get the antenna the better. Trees will mess with the signals, so a good omni on a tall pole works well. Even tough the antenna may be omni or bi-directional you still need to do some tweaking for the "sweet spot" where all the channels come in the best.

It's actually easier to set it up using the analog signals, since digital is either perfect or nothing. With a digital signal you may think it's coming in perfectly, only to find out later that you get dropouts in the signal. Watching the analog would have revealed ghosts that are the kiss of death to digital (multipath causes ghosts on analog and dropouts on digital).

If you know which channel is the weakest try to get the best signal possible on that channel and hope the stronger signals are not adversely affected when the antenna is tweaked for the weakest signal.

DO NOT USE AN AMPLIFIED ANTENNA unless you are in the deep fringe areas (no strong signals in the area). It only takes one strong signal to overload the amp.

Just bring one of your parrots on your shoulder :D
Is that a picture of you on your avatar (yes I know there are no avatars now, but I do remember seeing one in the past associated with your posts)?

There is a picture of me over on the TiVo forum, but quite honestly it makes me look younger and thinner then I am. :o

As far as the bird idea goes I might have tried that about 10 years ago when I use to take a few of my birds out with me but now everyone stays inside all the time and I think they would freak out at a ball park (going, going, GONE!) :)

Just for an interest point I will tell you that when I drove from California to Kentucky my Sun Conure (http://www.pbase.com/robert/image/26867106) Sunny did ride on my shoulder the entire trip out (3 days). It made it real intersting when she got bored and decided to climb on my glasses while I was driving 65 mph. Toll boths were fun too, something a little different for them they always had questions.

Well, Time Warner showed up, and refused to give me a SA box. Saying that until my Motorola boxes die, they only give them to new customers and he's not allowed to give them to anyone else. I told him I'm about to switch to AT&T U-Verse, and this is his response "I would, it keeps getting worse and worse here, don't ever expect NFL Network with TWC". My wife's jaw dropped to the floor.

The single feed of HD with U-Verse scares me, so I'm looking at Direct TV, just hate paying the start up costs that comes with it.

Well, Time Warner showed up, and refused to give me a SA box. Saying that until my Motorola boxes die, they only give them to new customers and he's not allowed to give them to anyone else. I told him I'm about to switch to AT&T U-Verse, and this is his response "I would, it keeps getting worse and worse here, don't ever expect NFL Network with TWC". My wife's jaw dropped to the floor.

The single feed of HD with U-Verse scares me, so I'm looking at Direct TV, just hate paying the start up costs that comes with it.

Unbe**ckinglievable!

Here's what I would do. I'd drive down to the local office, box in hand and tell them either give me a new box or I will cancel my account and go to U-Verse. That tech was totally out of line with that response. Specially since the rep told you you would get new boxes!

Another thing, did you sign the paper work? I hope you didn't, I've sent them on their way when I wasn't satisfied. Usually results in a supervisor calling.

Toll boths were fun too, something a little different for them they always had questions.

The birds had questions about the toll booths? What did they want to know? :)

I live in Lisbon and have TWC. I know this is a Cleveland Board but I thought I would share

in order:
89-1: My Y TV (WYTV's Subchannel for My Network TV)
89-2: WYFX HD (Youngstown FOX)
89-3: WYTV HD (Youngstown ABC)
90-1: Music Choice Opera
90-2: Music Choice Pop Latino
94-1: WPGH SD (Pittsburgh FOX)
94-2: WYTV SD (Youngstown ABC)

101-1: WUAB HD: (Cleveland MYT) this is Youngstown DMA feed do to that they black out some of the syd shows

101-2 WKYC Weather Plus
101-3 WKYC HD (Cleveland NBC)
102-1 WFMJ HD (Youngstown NBC)
102-2 WKBN HD (Youngstown CBS)
104-1 WJW HD (Cleveland FOX)
104-2 WOIO Weather Now
104-3 WEWS HD (Cleveland ABC)
107-1 Game Show Network SD
108-1 WOIO HD (Cleveland CBS)
108-2 WUAB HD Cleveland MYT) The non black out feed for Cleveland DMA
108-3 The Tube Music Network

110-1 LFC
123-1 WVIZ HD (Cleveland PBS) Just showed as of 8/4/07 on my scan
123-2 WIVN LP Canton
124-1 On Demand Preview
124-2 Digital Cable Preview with no SOUND
124-3 Previews
124-4 On Demand Previews

Unbe**ckinglievable!

Here's what I would do. I'd drive down to the local office, box in hand and tell them either give me a new box or I will cancel my account and go to U-Verse. That tech was totally out of line with that response. Specially since the rep told you you would get new boxes!

Another thing, did you sign the paper work? I hope you didn't, I've sent them on their way when I wasn't satisfied. Usually results in a supervisor calling.
Nope, I refused to sign them. Called U-Verse, and they are coming for the install on the 14th. I called TWC to let them know about the installer and their track record, the lady could have cared less. So once the U-Verse is in, that day I'll take my 2 DVR's, cable modem, and my $120 cable bill up to their office and drop it on their doorstep with my cancel notice.

At least now my wife will have Soapnet, I'll have NFL Network HD, as well as about 11 other HD channels I currently don't have National Geographic HD, HD Net, HD Net movies, etc. Actually pretty excited for the change. My neighbor had it installed this morning, just came back from checking it out, and it's pretty nice. I couldn't notice any signal change in his HD locals and mine. ESPN U was cool to see, as I've never had that one either. The non digital channels killed in quality from what I was getting from TWC, also the internet speeds, upload at least, was a lot higher than TWC's. Overall, I think I'll be happy to get out from under TWC.

I live in Lisbon and have TWC. I know this is a Cleveland Board but I thought I would share

in order:

110-1 LFC
123-1 WVIZ HD (Cleveland PBS) Just showed as of 8/4/07 on my scan
123-2 WIVN LP Canton


:eek: :eek: :eek:
How in the world can TWC get WVIZ-HD out to Lisbon when the OTA signal can barely cover Parma?
Ditto for WIVN LP (except put "Canton" in place of "Parma").

With the addition of WVIZ-HD to cable systems far and wide, I wondered if WVIZ-DT had finally moved to it's permanent home atop the WNCX tower in North Royalton.

I went to the WVIZ web page but found no announcements. I clicked on "Digital TV" and found this tidbit:

Q: Where is WVIZ/PBS’s digital transmitter located?
A: WVIZ/PBS’s digital transmitter is temporarily installed at its studio location on Brookpark road. It is currently operating at low power meaning that some areas will have difficulty receiving WVIZ-DT over the air. Transmitting tower issues at the main transmitter site in North Royalton need to be resolved before a permanent, full power DTV transmission system can be installed at that location. WVIZ/PBS continues to pursue the resolution of its tower issues and hopes to build its permanent transmission plant in Spring/Summer of 2007.
I'm gonna have to try to rescan rf 26 to see if the signal is any stronger.

This brings up another question:
Will the HD side of WVIZ and WNEO/WEAO ever differentiate? I mean why should TWC in Lisbon go through the trouble of importing WVIZ-HD when WNEO-HD is much closer, stronger and (currently, anyway) carries the exact same feed 24/7?

This would almost be as useless as a cable system carrying a separate feed of WNEO and WEAO just because the 2 signals overlap.

I can see why the analog/SD feeds of WVIZ and WNEO/WEAO would be carried since their schedules diversify quite a bit from each other, but so far that has not beenthe case with PBS-HD.

:eek: :eek: :eek:
How in the world can TWC get WVIZ-HD out to Lisbon when the OTA signal can barely cover Parma?
Ditto for WIVN LP (except put "Canton" in place of "Parma").

Fiber transport.

Fiber transport.

Right now TWC only carries WJW and WUAB HD/SD feeds on my system cause of WJW being sig viewed and WUAB is grandfathered in our system...


I like that I can get WKYC and WEWS to watch them in HD... I would rather watch WJW and WKYC cause they have a good HD product.

As for WVIZ TWC picks up and send via clear to all areas. One time I heard that WTOV Steubenville was in clear in Canton area on TWC

Fiber transport.

That's what I was gonna say. Once they pick up the signal in Brookpark, they can feed it to all the other headends through their internal hardwired network, no ?

That's what I was gonna say. Once they pick up the signal in Brookpark, they can feed it to all the other headends through their internal hardwired network, no ?

Yes, photons can travel farther than electrons. :D

[QUOTE=hookbill]I just wonder if it might be the SA 8300 HDC Those are the ones with cable cards in them. Haven't heard of anyone in our area getting them yet but I know that supply of the SA 8300 is low or none existent at this point and I think they got a shipment in recently.

I can confirm that it is the 8300HDC.

New install yesterday.

HDMI output working flawlessly so far.

--M--

Hello fellow NE Ohio neighbors. I recently move out to Sheffield Village and wan considering putting up an antenna in the attic. I was considering the SquareShooter to receive OTA. Anyone have experience with this antenna on the west side? Any suggestions? I have a lot of space so there really is not restrictions except putting it outside.

http://www.winegard.com/offair/squareshooter.htm


I don't use an antenna but reception is usually good around here. Wish I could help! Anyways, hope you enjoy living here. People say the cops like to give out lots of speeding tickets but I don't seem to have a problem - figure I help pay their wages so they leave me alone.

I don't use an antenna but reception is usually good around here. Wish I could help! Anyways, hope you enjoy living here. People say the cops like to give out lots of speeding tickets but I don't seem to have a problem - figure I help pay their wages so they leave me alone.

P@55word:
Don't "skimp" on size or price. Get the best stuff you can get including the cable and splitters. You can't have enough signal from the antenna for HDTV. Nut then again I haven't had any channels over 98% in Twinsburg.
JJK

According to hdsportsguide.com, it would appear the Browns first preseason game at home vs. the Chiefs on WKYC will be in HD ! Mark your calendars for Saturday August 11. :D

FYI, WKYC Programming Dept just emailed me back and said all the Browns preseason games will be in HD.

FYI, WKYC Programming Dept just emailed me back and said all the Browns preseason games will be in HD.

The question is....does anybody really want to watch this in HD? ;)

Hey guys I've go no room to talk. I'm a Raider fan. but at least we did get to the Super Bowl once in the 21st Century. :p

It's good to hear all the "Pre-Season" games are in HD. Let's see where the Cleveland market stands when looking for regular season games in HD.

Ray

It's good to hear all the "Pre-Season" games are in HD. Let's see where the Cleveland market stands when looking for regular season games in HD.

Ray

CBS said they are going to do more than the typical 3 games a week in HD this year, so we can hope :D

Link to "CBS up to 6 games a week in HD in 2007" :
http://www.tvpredictions.com/cbshd042307.htm

Link to WKYC press release regarding Browns preseason in HD:
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=66273

Ok, now here in Canton, I've got WNEO/WEAO HD on TW via QAM channel 101.3

Ok, now here in Canton, I've got WNEO/WEAO HD on TW via QAM channel 101.3

My S3 has had a spot on the guide, channel 715 WNEO from the day I first got it. However when I tune to it I get a message "channel not available." When I press the info key however it does have guide data.

Checking my upstairs HD STB I do not see it on the guide yet.

This evening when I got home I noticed that WUAB on TWC Channel 6 and the HD feed is gone on. The text on screen say's "WUAB 43 is no longer avab in your area to view My Network TV programming tune to Ch 534 or 734.

There wasn't any kind of notice in our local papers saying on this date WUAB will no longer carried. I thought they have to give 30 Days Notice..

I am also getting WNEO HD on Ch 549 and WNEO DT on Channel 550

101-1 Is NOW WNEO HD
101-4 IS NOW WNEO DT
123-1 IS WVIZ HD

I am still getting WUAB in the Clear on 108-2
TUBE is still on Ch 545 and 108-3

Hmm,

Still have TWC WUAB on 6 and WUAB HD on 544 here in Akron. Also see they added WNEO HD on 549 and WNEO DT on 550 - don't remember seeing those yesterday.

Hmm,

Still have TWC WUAB on 6 and WUAB HD on 544 here in Akron. Also see they added WNEO HD on 549 and WNEO DT on 550 - don't remember seeing those yesterday.
Of course you still have WUAB - Akron is in the Cleveland DMA - Youngstown is not. Youngstown has it's own My Network TV affiliate (a digital - only subchannel 33.2 on their ABC affiliate WYTV-DT). BTW they also have a CW affiliate as a subchannel of their NBC affiliate WFMJ-DT 21.2). These subchannels even have thier own identities "My Y TV" and "WBCB". BTW they even have a FOX subchannel on their CBS affiliate WKBN-DT 27.2 - that one at least is OTA analog as an LPTV station WYFX-LP.

As long as the DMA has their own affiliate (even if it's digital only) they can bump off the distant signals from cable (unless significantly-viewed status can be established). WUAB was "grandfathered" in Youngstown, other more well established Cleveland stations such as WJW may still have significantly viewed status, however their syndicated programming has to be blacked out if requested by a local station carrying the same program.

When I tuned into channel 3 this evening to watch the news, their analog transmitter was not operating. Instead, I picked up KIII analog channel 3 from Corpus Christi, Texas. For those who are interested, here is a picture...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/thereallefank/KIII-3002.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/thereallefank/3news.jpg

When I tuned into channel 3 this evening to watch the news, their analog transmitter was not operating. Instead, I picked up KIII analog channel 3 from Corpus Christi, Texas. For those who are interested, here is a picture...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/thereallefank/KIII-3002.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/thereallefank/3news.jpg

Wow strong antenna.

When I tuned into channel 3 this evening to watch the news, their analog transmitter was not operating. Instead, I picked up KIII analog channel 3 from Corpus Christi, Texas.

Congrats! That's a nice DX catch.

Attac (sic) installations are subject to interference from anything ferrous (aluminum foil on insulation for example). It's worse for indoor antennas, especially if you have aluminum siding.

You're a little confused here, Michael. Something that is ferrous (like steel) must contain iron. Aluminum and copper, for example, are nonferrous metals.


DO NOT USE AN AMPLIFIED ANTENNA unless you are in the deep fringe areas (no strong signals in the area). It only takes one strong signal to overload the amp.

This isn't necessarily true. The quality of the amplifier is important. I use a Channel Master 7777 mast mounted amplifier in my antenna system, and I am three miles from WNEO's transmitter. The mast mounted amplifier is absolutely necessary for me to pick up the Cleveland and Pittsburgh digital stations. The amplifier is not overloading; however, its output is too strong for the front end of my ViP 622 receiver. Depending on the station, I use anywhere from 8 to 12 dB of attenuation between the amp's power supply output and the 622's input to reduce the level of the signal. I receive more stations by reducing the level of the signal at the receiver's input.

You're a little confused here, Michael. Something that is ferrous (like steel) must contain iron. Aluminum and copper, for example, are nonferrous metals.

Aluminum may be nonferrous, but it sure screws up my reception. I can see the towers out my back doors & windows, if I put up any indoor antenna by a wall I get garbage, however place the indoor antenna by a window facing the transmitters and I get great reception.

You would think being in the antenna farm that the walls would not attenuate (and distort) the signals as much as they do, but they do have a profound affect on my reception.

This is why I caution the use of amplifiers:
Were I used to live (only 2.5 miles from here) I had an amplified omnidirectional antenna on my roof. I had to unplug the power adder, otherwise I got fuzzy copies of VHF stations on the UHF band and visa-versa. I also heard FM stations (even with the FM trap).

Of course you still have WUAB - Akron is in the Cleveland DMA - Youngstown is not. Youngstown has it's own My Network TV affiliate (a digital - only subchannel 33.2 on their ABC affiliate WYTV-DT). BTW they also have a CW affiliate as a subchannel of their NBC affiliate WFMJ-DT 21.2). These subchannels even have thier own identities "My Y TV" and "WBCB". BTW they even have a FOX subchannel on their CBS affiliate WKBN-DT 27.2 - that one at least is OTA analog as an LPTV station WYFX-LP.

As long as the DMA has their own affiliate (even if it's digital only) they can bump off the distant signals from cable (unless significantly-viewed status can be established). WUAB was "grandfathered" in Youngstown, other more well established Cleveland stations such as WJW may still have significantly viewed status, however their syndicated programming has to be blacked out if requested by a local station carrying the same program.

For Youngstown/Mahoning county, both WUAB and WOIO have significantly-viewed status. WUAB was grandfathered in and WOIO earned it from their days as being a FOX affiliate that was carried on cable in Youngstown since Youngstown did not have a local FOX station . I do believe that Time Warner in the city itself still has both WOIO (ch 10) and WUAB (ch 6) on the basic tier.

Armstrong cable that serves the population base of Mahoning county (Austintown,Boardman,Canfield,Campell) dropped WOIO for FOXNet satelite network, then WJW which they dropped for the FOXNet again and they replaced it with WYFX in 1998.

After the big switch of 1994, WYTV took FOX on as a secondary affiliate airing NFL football and a select amount of primetime shows (Melrose Place, X files, COPS, and Power Rangers) while on cable the now defunct FOXNet was on local cable systems. BY 1997, all that was left was the football and the next year, WYFX/62 and WFXI/40 signed on.

Right now TWC only carries WJW and WUAB HD/SD feeds on my system cause of WJW being sig viewed and WUAB is grandfathered in our system...


I like that I can get WKYC and WEWS to watch them in HD... I would rather watch WJW and WKYC cause they have a good HD product.

As for WVIZ TWC picks up and send via clear to all areas. One time I heard that WTOV-9 Steubenville was in clear in Canton area on TWC

I havent checked recently, but I mentioned awhile back getting WTOV Steubenvulle on Channel 94-2 in Canton, I also get WYFX Youngstown on 94-9 and WTVG-13 (ABC) Toledo on 100-1

Ok, thinking about switching to D*. Local NE Ohio D* subs please help me out.....

I noticed the RSN's (FSN-OH and STO-HD) are listed in the D*'s Sport's Pack on their web site. I guess I just assumed that by subscribing to the Plus HD package that I would get my local RSN's in HD. Can anyone confirm that I would have to additionally subscribe to the Sport's Pack for an additional ($12?) a month fee on top of the standard Plus HD package in order to get these 2 channels?

What about NFL Network- HD? D* currently has that channel as part of the Plus HD package, right? Or is it part of the channels rumored to be added in September?

Their website is worthless, so I figured I'd ask local subscribers themselves.

Thanks in advance for your help........

Right now, the only thing D* offers are the actual HD games shown on each channel (Indians, Cavs, etc). NFL Network is supposed to go full time HD on D* in September. I don't think STO or FSN have any other HD content other than the games, so they might not. There is no additional charge to get these channels as part of your local package. The sports package only gets you the other RSNs, but most games (MLB, NBA, etc.) are blacked out.

This link contains a great deal of useful information about what's about to happen:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=87235

Hope this helps.

Right now, the only thing D* offers are the actual HD games shown on each channel (Indians, Cavs, etc). NFL Network is supposed to go full time HD on D* in September. I don't think STO or FSN have any other HD content other than the games, so they might not. There is no additional charge to get these channels as part of your local package. The sports package only gets you the other RSNs, but most games (MLB, NBA, etc.) are blacked out.

This link contains a great deal of useful information about what's about to happen:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=87235

Hope this helps.

It helps a great deal. That's a lot for your help neighbor......

I need some advice from you fellows.
I have Time Warner cable in the Elyria/Mentor area and own a Sony KDF50WE655, a LCD 50 inch rear projection TV.
What gives the better picture quality, a cablecard or there Motorola DVR?

An AT&T rep just stopped by my house today (North Royalton) touting the advantages of their Internet + TV solution over my current WOW cable. Now, I'm not one to sign anything immediately without researching, so I politely turned him down and hit these boards. I haven't visited this particular Cleveland thread in awhile (though I'm on AVS daily).

I'm pretty happy with my WOW cable and getting at least the clear channels in QAM is a bonus for me since I use SageTV to record them. Based on the 10 minutes of research I did, it appears AT&T uses a proprietary method of IP transport using MPEG4 compression and it only works with their provided PVR's. Is that correct? Any reason to go with these guys over my existing WOW cable? Which, by the way, if I do say so myself, is one of the best cable companies in the country. :D

I think the biggest problem for me doing any satellite, or this AT&T service, is the loss of recording functionality I currently have with my own server based SageTV solution. Although it looks like my chance of getting any encrypted SD/HD digital to work in the future may require me to throw in the towel and follow the masses.

-Robert

Right now, the only thing D* offers are the actual HD games shown on each channel (Indians, Cavs, etc). NFL Network is supposed to go full time HD on D* in September. I don't think STO or FSN have any other HD content other than the games, so they might not. There is no additional charge to get these channels as part of your local package. The sports package only gets you the other RSNs, but most games (MLB, NBA, etc.) are blacked out.

This link contains a great deal of useful information about what's about to happen:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=87235

Hope this helps.

They are saying all 11 Fox Sports Networks go HD this Fall. Presume FS Ohio will have additional HD.

I need some advice from you fellows.
I have Time Warner cable in the Elyria/Mentor area and own a Sony KDF50WE655, a LCD 50 inch rear projection TV.
What gives the better picture quality, a cablecard or there Motorola DVR?

In theory a CableCard will produce a better picture than an external tuner because there are fewer stages of video processing involved. A shorter video path is usually better. Like everything in life though, it's a compromise. CableCard hosts (TV sets) are currently one-way devices, so you lose any functions that require two-way communication with the headend, i.e. program guide, VOD and impulse PPV. Whether that matters to you depends on your own viewing habits.

BTW, the Moto box will eventually be replaced by the SA-8300.

Waiting for Hookbill to jump in and recommend Tivo in 3... 2... 1... ;)

In theory a CableCard will produce a better picture than an external tuner because there are fewer stages of video processing involved. A shorter video path is usually better. Like everything in life though, it's a compromise. CableCard hosts (TV sets) are currently one-way devices, so you lose any functions that require two-way communication with the headend, i.e. program guide, VOD and impulse PPV. Whether that matters to you depends on your own viewing habits.

BTW, the Moto box will eventually be replaced by the SA-8300.

Waiting for Hookbill to jump in and recommend Tivo in 3... 2... 1... ;)
Thanks

Waiting for Hookbill to jump in and recommend Tivo in 3... 2... 1... ;)

Lord knows I hate to disappoint. :D

Seriously if you are nre to HD and the SA 8300 works fine for you, groovy, enjoy.

However if you get the pos SA 8300's that I hve had, kindly drag them down to your cable company, preferably tied with a chain to your bumper, and return those pos so you can enjoy true DVR the way it was suppose to be.

An AT&T rep just stopped by my house today (North Royalton) touting the advantages of their Internet + TV solution over my current WOW cable. Now, I'm not one to sign anything immediately without researching, so I politely turned him down and hit these boards. I haven't visited this particular Cleveland thread in awhile (though I'm on AVS daily).

I'm pretty happy with my WOW cable and getting at least the clear channels in QAM is a bonus for me since I use SageTV to record them. Based on the 10 minutes of research I did, it appears AT&T uses a proprietary method of IP transport using MPEG4 compression and it only works with their provided PVR's. Is that correct? Any reason to go with these guys over my existing WOW cable? Which, by the way, if I do say so myself, is one of the best cable companies in the country. :D

I think the biggest problem for me doing any satellite, or this AT&T service, is the loss of recording functionality I currently have with my own server based SageTV solution. Although it looks like my chance of getting any encrypted SD/HD digital to work in the future may require me to throw in the towel and follow the masses.

-Robert

From a fellow North Royalton resident, the following is the AT&T Uverse forums which are mostly filled by "bitches" about quality, etc.:
http://www.uverseusers.com/

I was reading their material until a couple months ago. Main reasons I decided against Uverse was their current HD quality and the fact that their DVR was only capable of recording one program at a time.

I was reading about all options because I knew my HD Tivo would become obsolete in the next year or two (not MPEG4 capable) and I wasn't happy with D*'s HD lite.

After deciding that all other providers had something I didn't want (model of DVR, number of HD channels, bad SD channel quality, etc.), I upgraded to two of D*'s new HR20's despite their bad press.

Actually, I've been very pleased with the HR20s; especially with their MPEG4 HD locals that are equal in quality to my OTA versions of the same channels. I actually believe they are an overall increase in quality over my "loved" HD Tivo. Plus, they are now "rentals" and the initial cost is low.

D* put up another satellite this summer; and starting next month they are adding MPEG4 HD stations which will bring them to over 50. Plus, they say they will have over 100 national HD stations by the end of this year. These will be MPEG4 and all indications they will be excellent quality and not like their current MPEG2 cousins on D*. Another satellite goes up early next year which will give them the capability of up to 150 national HD stations.

I've been with D* for around 8 of the last 11 years. I've complained about their quality for the last 5 years (after I got my first HD set). However, I believe they have turned the corner and that's where I'm staying after 5 months of researching all options.

Thanks for the reply. I'll stick with what I have for now and forget AT&T.

I don't know how good WOW's digital/HD service is since I don't have it yet, but I'm inclined to try it out because I really do need a good Internet service and WOW is rock solid. I'm sure if I ordered AT&T DSL separately (and got D*) it might be just as good, but I'd rather not rock the boat.

Robert

Thanks for the reply. I'll stick with what I have for now and forget AT&T.

I don't know how good WOW's digital/HD service is since I don't have it yet, but I'm inclined to try it out because I really do need a good Internet service and WOW is rock solid. I'm sure if I ordered AT&T DSL separately (and got D*) it might be just as good, but I'd rather not rock the boat.

Robert

I use D* for video; but use TWC/roadrunner for internet broadband; so you would always have the option to continue WOW internet and go to D* for video.

One of the reasons I was interested in AT&T Uverse was that I knew it would be cheaper to use one provider for multiple services. Unfortunately, I didn't believe I would be satisfied with any "one provider" and therefore I'm continuing to split my business and pay a premium.

While I don't support U-Verse myself I would be a bit more open minded. Reason being - Have you ever seen a forum that wasn't full of bitching and complaining about the product? If I had seen the Vonage Forum before I bought my Vonage phones and service I would have never used Vonage. The fact is it works great for me.

The same thing apllies to the TiVo S3. People constantly complaining, and while I will admit to having an issue or two myself overall it was well worth the money I paid to get rid of the SA 8300.

Point is if you make the change do they make you sign a contract? If not, why not try it if you're not happy with what you have now. D* will be happy to take you back.

The point of Uverse, from what I've read, is they take the original source given to them by the station and recompress it to MPEG4. Since it was already a compressed feed (MPEG2 or whatever) originally, it can never look as good. It might come close, but it's impossible. And from what I've read on the Uverse forums, there is some degredation noticed by some subscribers.

Add to that my internal QAM/ATSC/NTSC tuner becomes useless and I must use their box to tune anything is an annoyance, epecially since those DVR's aren't perfect.

Assuming any of that is true, I'd be better off sticking with ATSC or QAM. Its certainly possible for my cable company to recompress the original ATSC stream, but I can't notice it.

Now, the model that they use (multicast over IP) is very cool since it saves bandwidth instead of broadcasting down every channel simultaneously. I expect with more bandwidth in the future, it will be the killer way of doing TV.

Robert

While I don't support U-Verse myself I would be a bit more open minded. Reason being - Have you ever seen a forum that wasn't full of bitching and complaining about the product? If I had seen the Vonage Forum before I bought my Vonage phones and service I would have never used Vonage. The fact is it works great for me.

The same thing apllies to the TiVo S3. People constantly complaining, and while I will admit to having an issue or two myself overall it was well worth the money I paid to get rid of the SA 8300.

Point is if you make the change do they make you sign a contract? If not, why not try it if you're not happy with what you have now. D* will be happy to take you back.

I read their forum daily for a couple months. After 5 years with these forums, I think I've developed a pretty good feel of "normal bitching" versus "consistent bitching" with no one sticking up for the product. However, the real "killer" for me is that their current bandwidth into the home won't support more than one HD channel at a time (i.e., can't record two at a time or even record one and watch another real time). That's not for me; and I doubt it's for you either.

I am currently content with D* and especially where it will be after the next couple months. How's this for a high definition lineup?

Current HD Channels

Discovery HD Theater
ESPN
ESPN 2
HDNet
HDNet Movies
TNT
Universal HD
HBO-E
SHO-E

Announced HD Additions
* = not a simulcast of the SD channel (if available), programming will vary.

September 2007

A&E
Animal Planet
Big Ten Network
CNN
Discovery
Food Network*
HGTV*
History Channel
MHD (MTV brand channel)
National Geographic
NFL Network
The Science Channel
TBS
TLC
Versus
Weather Channel
Cinemax-E
Cinemax-W
MoreMax
HBO-W
HBO2-E
HBO2-W
HBO Family-E
HBO Family-W
HBO Signature
The Movie Channel
SHO-W
STARZ-E
STARZ-W
STARZ-Edge
STARZ-Comedy
STARZ-Kids
Fall 2007
Bravo
Cartoon Network
Chiller
CNBC
FX
SciFi Channel
Sleuth
Speed
USA Network
December 2007
The Tennis Channel
Spring 2008
ABC Family
Disney Channel
ESPN News
MGM
Toon Disney

Regional Sports Networks
Available nationally, but local blackout rules still apply.
Fall 2007
Altitude
Comcast SportsNet Chicago
Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic
FSN Arizona
FSN Bay Area
FSN Detroit
FSN Florida
FSN New England
FSN North
FSN Northwest
FSN Ohio
FSN Prime Ticket
FSN Rocky Mountain
FSN South
FSN Southwest
FSN West
New England Sports Network
SportsNet New York
SportsSouth
Sun Sports
YES

Foreign Language Channels

HBO Latino - 9/07

I However, the real "killer" for me is that their current bandwidth into the home won't support more than one HD channel at a time (i.e., can't record two at a time or even record one and watch another real time). That's not for me; and I doubt it's for you either.



Yep, that would kill the deal for me for sure. And I don't think I could use my S3 with it but if I didn't have the S3 I sure as hell wouldn't want to only be able to record one HD channel at a time.

The thing about it is that I can see a whole bunch of people buying into this thing. The majority of people I talk to out on the street have absolutely no idea of what HD is or even what a DVR is. So I can see if promoted properly a good number of people who are sick of the cable company jumping on board.

In theory a CableCard will produce a better picture than an external tuner because there are fewer stages of video processing involved. A shorter video path is usually better. Like everything in life though, it's a compromise.

For digital, 'better' also means smoothly extracting the stream, decrypting it, and decoding it for display. You particular TV + cablecard may be less reliable at this than an external tuner that more tighly integrates everything and which they've had more experience with.

For digital, 'better' also means smoothly extracting the stream, decrypting it, and decoding it for display. You particular TV + cablecard may be less reliable at this than an external tuner that more tighly integrates everything and which they've had more experience with.

That's a valid point, vman. Not all mpeg decoders are the same, and the ones that are built into CC-ready TV sets might not be built to the same tolerances that external devices are.

Thanks for the reply. I'll stick with what I have for now and forget AT&T.

I don't know how good WOW's digital/HD service is since I don't have it yet, but I'm inclined to try it out because I really do need a good Internet service and WOW is rock solid. I'm sure if I ordered AT&T DSL separately (and got D*) it might be just as good, but I'd rather not rock the boat.

Robert

A couple months ago I dumped by ATT (SBC) DSL and added 4Mbps internet to my WOW cable. Bundled with my existing WOW cable services, the 4Mbps amounts to an additional $25/mo on my bill. If I were to go back to ATT, I would have to get "naked" DSL at "up to" 3Mbps for $29/mo. Because of the old copper infrastructure here, I was never able to get more than 2Mbps out of ATT.

So far the WOW cable internet has been reliable, with one exception last week on the first really hot night of the year (no storms), about 6000 Shaker Heights homes in the area lost power. (The power around here is worse than Baghdad, and has been that way for some years now) I keep my cable modem on a UPS and noticed the cable modem immediately lost carrier. I wasn't too thrilled with that since I'm also using VOIP for my home phone now.

The UVerse reviews for NE Ohio seem mixed, there were a couple people on the west side that seemed happy, and a couple people on the east side that weren't.

Personally I'm waiting to see what D* does later this year and see if WOW keeps up with the new HD channel rollouts.

A couple months ago I dumped by ATT (SBC) DSL and added 4Mbps internet to my WOW cable. Bundled with my existing WOW cable services, the 4Mbps amounts to an additional $25/mo on my bill. If I were to go back to ATT, I would have to get "naked" DSL at "up to" 3Mbps for $29/mo. Because of the old copper infrastructure here, I was never able to get more than 2Mbps out of ATT.

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Road Runner H.S. Internet goes 4.5 Mbps for down speed and 760.8 Kbps for up speed. Another problem with DSL is the farther away you are from the source the slower it is.

I've heard that the number of people on line can affect cable speed but my numbers in all my test are consistant.

And as far as Voip, yes you will lose it if you lose power. Which is why everybody should own a natural gas powered generator. Well worth the money.

And as far as Voip, yes you will lose it if you lose power. Which is why everybody should own a natural gas powered generator. Well worth the money.

Just to be clear, it is quite likely that even if you can sustain power in your home, you'll still loose your internet connection and cable television since those generally run on the same power grid that services your house (as paule123 experienced).

Just to be clear, it is quite likely that even if you can sustain power in your home, you'll still loose your internet connection and cable television since those generally run on the same power grid that services your house (as paule123 experienced).

Nope, when I lose power once my generator kicks in everything still works.

Nope, when I lose power once my generator kicks in everything still works.

Every cable company that's serious about high speed data and VOIP has battery-backed power supplies in the field, and a data center grade power backup system in the headend. That's why your system still works during a blackout.

The last lengthy blackout at my place, the then-Adelphia HSI still worked fine long after the power went out. Since my cable modem and router are on a UPS, I was surfing from my battery-powered laptop till it lost all the juice in the battery.

Every cable company that's serious about high speed data and VOIP has battery-backed power supplies in the field, and a data center grade power backup system in the headend. That's why your system still works during a blackout.

Yes, I beleive those green "Lectro" boxes you see up on the poles are the UPSes for the cable system. Apparently WOW's weren't working real well that night...

Yes, I beleive those green "Lectro" boxes you see up on the poles are the UPSes for the cable system. Apparently WOW's weren't working real well that night...

I don't know how it works in my area. All the wires, cable included are underground but there is this rather large box, about a third of the size as the U-Verse box that sits between the property lines. I have no idea what's in that thing but I do know that when they check signal stregth that's where they go.

Yes, I beleive those green "Lectro" boxes you see up on the poles are the UPSes for the cable system.

Yeppers. The batteries are in the lower portion of the box.

I have TWC Kent area service. I see that a lot of you are able to get a lot of out of area stations via cable QAM. I tried this last night and I was only able to pick up the Cleveland locals (couldn't get WJW for some reason), 2 music choice channels, GSN, The Outdoor Channel, some Spanish channel, and some PPV preview channels. Does what services you have affect what you can get via QAM? Thanks.

I have TWC Kent area service. I see that a lot of you are able to get a lot of out of area stations via cable QAM. I tried this last night and I was only able to pick up the Cleveland locals (couldn't get WJW for some reason), 2 music choice channels, GSN, The Outdoor Channel, some Spanish channel, and some PPV preview channels. Does what services you have affect what you can get via QAM? Thanks.
The services you have don't really effect what channels you get via QAM, as long as you are subcribing to something of Warner's services. Every area is different though, sort-of a pot-luck-pick... maybe you'll get this channel, and maybe you won't.

I have TWC Kent area service. I see that a lot of you are able to get a lot of out of area stations via cable QAM. I tried this last night and I was only able to pick up the Cleveland locals (couldn't get WJW for some reason), 2 music choice channels, GSN, The Outdoor Channel, some Spanish channel, and some PPV preview channels. Does what services you have affect what you can get via QAM? Thanks.

Try getting your QAM tuner as close as possible to the "pure" cable feed coming in the house without splitters/amplifiers in the path, and see what you get. My experience has been that the QAM tuners in the consumer grade stuff (TVs and PC tuners) are very picky about signal strength.

Time Warner in North Ridgeville - I just started seeing WVIZD on channel 214 in the guide, but I'm not able to actually watch it. The rep says they must be testing, but didn't seem to know what was going on.

Anyone have any insight into this?

Dave

Time Warner in North Ridgeville - I just started seeing WVIZD on channel 214 in the guide, but I'm not able to actually watch it. The rep says they must be testing, but didn't seem to know what was going on.

Anyone have any insight into this?

Dave

The rep is probably right, as all of us old Adelphia people have had WVIZHD for years now.

Hey guys just wondered if anyone else noticed that Time Warner now has HD on demand content on channel 777. Currently not too much content but at least we know they can pull it off!

I live in North Ridgeville, and WVIZ-HD (ch 214) has been working fine 24/7 since it started around 2 weeks ago. It looks great in HD.

Have any of you TWC insiders in Lorain County heard any news of the upcoming channel realignment? I'm anxious to get HDNET & HDNET movies, and any other HD channels that the main NEO systems get.
Also, when is the box switchout going to happen?

Ben Music

Hey guys just wondered if anyone else noticed that Time Warner now has HD on demand content on channel 777. Currently not too much content but at least we know they can pull it off!

Yeah it's been there for months now. Do they actually have any content on it now?

Yeah it's been there for months now. Do they actually have any content on it now?

I tried it last night and not only was there no content, it crashed my SA8000HD something fierce! We're talking total box shutdown.

Maybe it's just a glitch...and I have seen the HD content hiding under menus on the regular MOD channel. As said, not much.

I tried it last night and not only was there no content, it crashed my SA8000HD something fierce! We're talking total box shutdown.

Maybe it's just a glitch...and I have seen the HD content hiding under menus on the regular MOD channel. As said, not much.

Inundated, you should consider swapping for an 8300. I have yet to crash an 8300 that's running current firmware.

Got my U-Verse installed. After one day, I love it. 100X better than the crap I had with TWC. The HD looks the same to me, if it's more compressed, I can't notice it on either of my HDTV's. The one feed of HD sucks, but it's not that often that I would use 2 tv's at the same time with different HD feeds. I've heard from both installers and 2 CSR's that the HD feeds will be upped to 4 by the end of the year, about the same time they roll out the multi TV DVR. Right now the DVR records 4 things at one time, but can only be watched on that TV. Soon you'll be able to watch it on any tv in the house, which is cool.

A lot more channels than I had before, but one thing I noticed last night, no PPV. They have on demand movies, like 300, TMNT, etc on that service, but I didn't see anywhere for say a boxing fight, UFC or WWE. Maybe it appears day of, I'll have to check. I never order PPV anyway, if there's something I want to watch I'll head to BW-3's. So it's no loss for me.

Overall, I'm extremely happy and never had so much pleasure taking my 2 HD DVR's back to TWC doorstep last night and canceling. Felt really good, to see my DVR's stacked on top of about 7 other ones, and the lady at the counter telling me I was the 10th person to cancel today for AT&T. :)

What is a good external QAM/ATSC tuner for non-digital T.V.'s?

I'm thinking about getting one, and don't want it to be too pricey...

The one feed of HD sucks, but it's not that often that I would use 2 tv's at the same time with different HD feeds. I've heard from both installers and 2 CSR's that the HD feeds will be upped to 4 by the end of the year, about the same time they roll out the multi TV DVR. Right now the DVR records 4 things at one time, but can only be watched on that TV.

Your explanation is interesting and I have some followup/clarification questions. You mention that you cannot have 2 TVs watching 2 different HD feeds but then go on to mention that you can record 4 things on one DVR. Does that mean you can record 4 HD feeds at once currently, or can you only record 1 HD feed and 3 additional SD feeds?

BTW, one other reason people may be dropping TWC for AT&T would be due to AT&T's agreement to carry the Big Ten Network.

Your explanation is interesting and I have some followup/clarification questions. You mention that you cannot have 2 TVs watching 2 different HD feeds but then go on to mention that you can record 4 things on one DVR. Does that mean you can record 4 HD feeds at once currently, or can you only record 1 HD feed and 3 additional SD feeds?

BTW, one other reason people may be dropping TWC for AT&T would be due to AT&T's agreement to carry the Big Ten Network.
1 HD and 3 SD feeds, or 4 SD feeds. You can only have 1 HD feed in your house at one time period. Sucks, but that's what it is. I didn't get a chance to fully test it, but the same HD signal can be on seperate TV's though. So if the Super Bowl is on, you could have it on every HDTV in the house since it's the same feed. I'll test that more tonight.

Yeah, them and Direct TV are the only ones to sign on with Big 10.

1 HD and 3 SD feeds, or 4 SD feeds. You can only have 1 HD feed in your house at one time period. Sucks, but that's what it is. I didn't get a chance to fully test it, but the same HD signal can be on seperate TV's though. So if the Super Bowl is on, you could have it on every HDTV in the house since it's the same feed. I'll test that more tonight.

Yeah, them and Direct TV are the only ones to sign on with Big 10.

Well, that would not be acceptable to me. I want to record 2 HD shows at one time, specially during the fall and while this might be "available in the future" I would wait until that future arrived before I would switch. Anyway I can currently have 3 HD feeds in my house with my S3 and my HD STB upstairs.

Superbowl on every TV in HD? I can do that now. I have a HD STB in my bedroom and my S3 in my Family Room.

Here's a couple of other things I don't like. You're still stuck with their line in through the wall phone service at their higher prices (no Voip). Plus AT&T has done nothing over the years to show me they are not just as evil as a cable company.

Anyway don't you know that the copper wire that they use in those boxes are fire hazards? :p

Just kidding, but some of the cable companies were portraying them that way.

Well, that would not be acceptable to me. I want to record 2 HD shows at one time, specially during the fall and while this might be "available in the future" I would wait until that future arrived before I would switch. Anyway I can currently have 3 HD feeds in my house with my S3 and my HD STB upstairs.

Superbowl on every TV in HD? I can do that now. I have a HD STB in my bedroom and my S3 in my Family Room.

Here's a couple of other things I don't like. You're still stuck with their line in through the wall phone service at their higher prices (no Voip). Plus AT&T has done nothing over the years to show me they are not just as evil as a cable company.

Anyway don't you know that the copper wire that they use in those boxes are fire hazards? :p

Just kidding, but some of the cable companies were portraying them that way.
Eh, I'm home at night, and there's not a ton of TV that I watch that I won't be home to tape. If I have to tape one show in SD every now and then, oh well. No big loss to me.

We only have 2 HDTV's, one in our living room and one in our family room, so it's not like it'll be used that often.

I pay $32 for my phone line, I have unlimited long distance, call waiting, voice mail, 3 way calling, caller ID etc. So I don't feel I'm "stuck". I've paid pretty much that same amount for almost 3 years now.

I have no idea about copper wiring, they used CAT 5 for the install.

What is a good external QAM/ATSC tuner for non-digital T.V.'s?

I'm thinking about getting one, and don't want it to be too pricey...

When you find one, let me know, LOL. I haven't seen one for less than about $150 and even those don't necessarily have QAM. You would think with the analog shutoff getting closer, we'd see a lot more of these. Instead it seems like there's fewer options than ever before. BB and CC only have one Samsung unit @ $179. Radio Shack used to have an Accurian brand, but that looks like it's discontinued. USDTV sold a cheap one at WalMart but they went out of business... It's just pathetic.

When you find one, let me know, LOL. I haven't seen one for less than about $150 and even those don't necessarily have QAM. You would think with the analog shutoff getting closer, we'd see a lot more of these. Instead it seems like there's fewer options than ever before. BB and CC only have one Samsung unit @ $179. Radio Shack used to have an Accurian brand, but that looks like it's discontinued. USDTV sold a cheap one at WalMart but they went out of business... It's just pathetic.
I've got a Samsung model (gosh been 2 or 3 years now?). It isn't anything special but it works well. You can probably find the USDTV at eBay, but it doesn't have Dolby Digital!

Of course, you won't find many of these <<<< $1000 boxes in the stores. The stores want you to buy a new HDTV for $1000+++, which ironically, may not even have an HD tuner!

Eh, I'm home at night, and there's not a ton of TV that I watch that I won't be home to tape. If I have to tape one show in SD every now and then, oh well. No big loss to me.

We don't "tape", we "record." :)

So time shifting doesn't interest you? What happens when two programs you like come on at the same time? And you actually watch commercials? The only thing I watch live is news and football. Occasionally baseball.

I pay $32 for my phone line, I have unlimited long distance, call waiting, voice mail, 3 way calling, caller ID etc. So I don't feel I'm "stuck". I've paid pretty much that same amount for almost 3 years now.

With Vonage I pay 15.95 per month. I get 500 outgoing calls per month, more then I ever need, unlimited long distance, vm, call waiting, caller ID, and 3 way calling. Also if I have a VM vonage lets me know by email. 800 numbers I dial out to don't count against my calls, neither do incoming calls. I also think there is some free international calls but I don't use that. Also we now have e911.

And you still have to pay extra for local area toll calls right? If you phone within a certain localized area don't they add that on?

We don't "tape", we "record." :)

So time shifting doesn't interest you? What happens when two programs you like come on at the same time? And you actually watch commercials? The only thing I watch live is news and football. Occasionally baseball.



With Vonage I pay 15.95 per month. I get 500 outgoing calls per month, more then I ever need, unlimited long distance, vm, call waiting, caller ID, and 3 way calling. Also if I have a VM vonage lets me know by email. 800 numbers I dial out to don't count against my calls, neither do incoming calls. I also think there is some free international calls but I don't use that. Also we now have e911.

And you still have to pay extra for local area toll calls right? If you phone within a certain localized area don't they add that on?
If I'm home, I watch the show live 95% of the time. Just the way the wife and I have always done it. We "record" shows, but only if it's something that interests us. We usually have 1-2 shows a night tops that we watch, and maybe 3 shows a week that are "can't miss TV". With the Internet, anything I miss is easily caught up on later.

Having the Big 10 Network and NFL Network were much more important to me than having one of TWC's DVR's in my house.

I pay nothing extra on my phone, make a ton of calls every month. I'd never use Voneage, but that's me. I also wouldn't ever touch TWC's cable Internet again either. Everyone has different experiences though.

If I'm home, I watch the show live 95% of the time. Just the way the wife and I have always done it. We "record" shows, but only if it's something that interests us. We usually have 1-2 shows a night tops that we watch, and maybe 3 shows a week that are "can't miss TV". With the Internet, anything I miss is easily caught up on later.

Having the Big 10 Network and NFL Network were much more important to me than having one of TWC's DVR's in my house.

I pay nothing extra on my phone, make a ton of calls every month. I'd never use Voneage, but that's me. I also wouldn't ever touch TWC's cable Internet again either. Everyone has different experiences though.

I can easily see now why U-Verse is something you would want. I could care less about The Big 10 or NFL Network, so you've certainly made your point.

As far as TWC's internet all I can say it is way better then the phone company I used before (Cincinnati Bell) but as you said different strokes. Glad your happy with what you've got. :)

I can easily see now why U-Verse is something you would want. I could care less about The Big 10 or NFL Network, so you've certainly made your point.

As far as TWC's internet all I can say it is way better then the phone company I used before (Cincinnati Bell) but as you said different strokes. Glad your happy with what you've got. :)
What's sad, I was very happy with Comcast. Their Internet was fantastic, once TWC came out, we would lose service once a week. After 3 months of that, I canceled and gave up.

And I think I've lost service once, briefly, since TWC took over Adelphia. I'm still very happy with it.

Now, if the competitor were Verizon's FiOS instead of AT&T's U-verse (do I have all the styles right? :D), I might be interested. Fiber to the premises, with MUCH higher Internet speeds available.

And I think I've lost service once, briefly, since TWC took over Adelphia. I'm still very happy with it.



Yes, initially when they first took over there were a couple of outages. Since then however, things have been very stable. Their promised increase in speed however never really materialized. If anything I'm getting a bit slower up load speed.

I live in North Ridgeville, and WVIZ-HD (ch 214) has been working fine 24/7 since it started around 2 weeks ago. It looks great in HD.
Ben Music

Thanks Ben! I guess they must have me locked out with my basic service. It seems that I read somewhere that cable companies were required to have PBS stations in the clear - something to do with our tax money paying for them. Anyone have a reference to that so I have a little more ammo?

Thanks, Dave

Thanks Ben! I guess they must have me locked out with my basic service. It seems that I read somewhere that cable companies were required to have PBS stations in the clear - something to do with our tax money paying for them. Anyone have a reference to that so I have a little more ammo?

Thanks, Dave

Not every area is the same. It's possible that you local division doesn't have it implemented into your system yet.
It's also possible that may may have the channels that PBS is on accidentally blocked out. Have you tried to do a rescan?

Dave,
If you only have basic service,(ch 2-23) or expanded basic, (ch 2-99) then WVIZ-25 will only come in on your ch 10. If you have digital and HD service, then WVIZ-25 HD will be on ch 214 on your digital hd box along with the rest of our HD locals like 3,5,8,19,43 etc. If you live in NR. as I do, then we both get our TWC signals from the same head end office in Elyria.

Hope this helps,
Ben Music

File this under the "for what it's worth" section. Time Warner has finally updated their on line guide to accurately reflect what they offer. Well, almost accurate.

It seems they are still listing WNEO-HD on channel 715 which has been on there for some time now. So I still assume at some time that has to happen.

They've made all the changes for channels they've moved and for channels like INHD, now MOJO and got rid of INHD2. Universal channel also appears.

Can't say this applies to everyone. YMMV :)

I currently only have basic/expanded basic (not digital) through TW. Anyone know if I can just sign up for the HD package without also upgrading to digital? WIth my HDTVs QAM tuner would I need a converter box to get those stations I don't get in the clear (ESPN, etc)?

I currently only have basic/expanded basic (not digital) through TW. Anyone know if I can just sign up for the HD package without also upgrading to digital? WIth my HDTVs QAM tuner would I need a converter box to get those stations I don't get in the clear (ESPN, etc)?

These kind of questions get asked here frequently and I honestly don't remember the answer and in no way am I trying to be mean by saying this but wouldn't the best way to find out an answer for a question like this be call customer service? Yes, I realize they are all idiots but on this type of question I think they are the ones who can answer it best for you. :)

These kind of questions get asked here frequently and I honestly don't remember the answer and in no way am I trying to be mean by saying this but wouldn't the best way to find out an answer for a question like this be call customer service? Yes, I realize they are all idiots but on this type of question I think they are the ones who can answer it best for you. :)

I called twice and got the same answer: I have to upgrade to digital cable and buy the HD tier and rent the converter box. I am finding this hard to believe and I think they are just trying to charge me another $28/mo for a bunch of crap I don't want! I don't want digital - I just want the HD channels I don't get in the clear. I'd like to hear from someone on here that might have this setup or experience that it will not work.

I have followed this thread and read just about every post the years and I have not seen this exact question asked (unless my mind is failing me). Certainly many that were similar.

I currently only have basic/expanded basic (not digital) through TW. Anyone know if I can just sign up for the HD package without also upgrading to digital? WIth my HDTVs QAM tuner would I need a converter box to get those stations I don't get in the clear (ESPN, etc)?

I'm pretty sure digital service is required to get HD (assuming you want anything that is encrypted). You can save yourself some money and go with a cable card instead of a rental box since it sounds like you've got a cable card slot in your TV.

You can argue price with them, before I left TWC I was getting ~15% off my DigiPic package.

If any of you are paying full price to TWC, call them and say you feel you're paying too much for service and you're considering switching. They'll likely switch you to retention where (at least in the Cincinnati area) gladly knock off ~15% for 12 months. Then just call again in 12 months.

I'm pretty sure digital service is required to get HD (assuming you want anything that is encrypted). You can save yourself some money and go with a cable card instead of a rental box since it sounds like you've got a cable card slot in your TV.

You can argue price with them, before I left TWC I was getting ~15% off my DigiPic package.

If any of you are paying full price to TWC, call them and say you feel you're paying too much for service and you're considering switching. They'll likely switch you to retention where (at least in the Cincinnati area) gladly knock off ~15% for 12 months. Then just call again in 12 months.

They kicked me back once for 3 months. I tried it again and they said no. :(

They've made all the changes for channels they've moved and for channels like INHD, now MOJO and got rid of INHD2. Universal channel also appears.

Can't say this applies to everyone. YMMV :)

BTW, they have added the Cleveland Suburbs and other non-legacy TWC lineups into the regular lineup dialog as well, only that one misses the "HDTV Tier" channels for some reason (HDNet/HDNet Movies/Universal HD/Mojo). And it mistakenly lists ESPN2 analog on 29 as ESPN2 HD, though the actual HD ESPN2 channel is properly listed at 773...

http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=944&Zip=&Image1.x=27&Image1.y=7&Image1=submit

WOW a new look !
Nobody has anything to say about it?

WOW a new look !
Nobody has anything to say about it?


I didn't know where I was the first time I came here because I clicked on a subscription link. I was worried something was wrong with my computer.:)

Looks nice and fresh. I wish they would have stuck some thumbs up and down over in the smileys area (not the post icon area). I like to use those from time to time.

Wow, there's something else new too. hookbill has an avatar! Looks like an axe-murderer if I ever did see one :)(just kidding). I would've expected maybe a TivoS3 logo instead of a portrait. :)

I currently only have basic/expanded basic (not digital) through TW. Anyone know if I can just sign up for the HD package without also upgrading to digital? WIth my HDTVs QAM tuner would I need a converter box to get those stations I don't get in the clear (ESPN, etc)?

Since you mention ESPN specifically, yes you will need a converter box (or CableCard in your TV) for that. The cable company is not going to send out ESPNHD "in-the-clear" for anyone with a QAM tuner to pick up. AFAIK, ESPN charges the cable company a lot of money per subscriber for ESPN and ESPN2 HD.

If you are just interested in the local HD channels (ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/PBS) you should be able to get those "in-the-clear" on your QAM tuner equipped TV without signing up for any additional HD package or digital cable package.

Wow, there's something else new too. hookbill has an avatar! Looks like an axe-murderer if I ever did see one :)(just kidding). I would've expected maybe a TivoS3 logo instead of a portrait. :)

That picture has been there for years. I removed it from appearing in the threads but for some reason I can't get it out of my personal profile.

Anyway, no matter because that picture makes me look thinner and younger then I really am.:p

WOW a new look !
Nobody has anything to say about it?

the new look is excatly like satelliteguys.us which is where I spend most of my time....I do enjoy it, but think they should have done something a little different, oh well its better then black :)

the new look is excatly like satelliteguys.us which is where I spend most of my time....I do enjoy it, but think they should have done something a little different, oh well its better then black :)

I believe you could have changed it to white before in the user CP. Now you can choose between black, white, and retro.

I believe you could have changed it to white before in the user CP. Now you can choose between black, white, and retro.

I picked the black. I think it gives a good background. The retro was pukey and I'm glad we can change it. And I'm not sure if you're talking to me again about the avatar but I tried to change it in the user CP. It showing that nothing is there.:confused:

Hook, I can't see the avatar now. So if you wanted it gone, it's gone.

Hook, I can't see the avatar now. So if you wanted it gone, it's gone.

You mean you could see it on the thread? Wow, that shouldn't have happened at all. Must have been some kind of error for that to have happened.

post#9382 I could see it below your name, that was the only time I saw it. now it's gone.

Does anybody know if WOW cable is going to add more HD channels or WVIZ to there line up?

Does anybody know if WOW cable is going to add more HD channels or WVIZ to there line up?


Sure. WOW knows or at least somebody at WOW knows but just like any other cable company that knowledge is kept locked up pretty tight.

You could try calling them and see what their response is. I understand that they are different form TWC so maybe you will get an honest answer.;)

Does anybody know if WOW cable is going to add more HD channels or WVIZ to there line up?

I emailed them when WNEO got their HD running recently, asking if and when they'd add WNEO to the HD lineup. Unfortunately they misinterpreted my email to think I was talking about WVIZ which of course still has the milliwatt transmitter. I never heard back.

All I gotta say is when D* starts doing their MPEG4 HD thing this fall, WOW needs to keep pace. We've been waiting for ESPN2HD forever. No MHD or UHD. And I'm curious to see if they paid for the NFL Network live games when the regular season starts.

We must be on the same wavelength. I just wrote WOW (again) about the WVIZ or WNEO/WEAO. Here's the response I received:

"I am not aware of immediate plans to offer WVIZ, or WNEO/WEAO at this time. WOW! adds channels based on channel requests and requests from our customers. The more request we recieve, the better chance the channel has being added to our line up."

So, I guess our only option is to keep calling/writing. Of course, other than this issue, WOW has been virtually flawless for me and I wouldn't even think of changing providers.

I currently only have basic/expanded basic (not digital) through TW. Anyone know if I can just sign up for the HD package without also upgrading to digital? WIth my HDTVs QAM tuner would I need a converter box to get those stations I don't get in the clear (ESPN, etc)?

In order to get the HD stations you don't get "in the clear", you need a tuner supplied by the cable company, or a device that takes a cable card.

This is just a guess, but I would suspect that once you have a tuner for HD, there is no way for the cable company to turn off the other digital channels. If there was physically a way to do it, I am sure they would be happy to take your money. :D

This is just a guess, but I would suspect that once you have a tuner for HD, there is no way for the cable company to turn off the other digital channels. If there was physically a way to do it, I am sure they would be happy to take your money. :D

First, I don't think you can get HD without the digital tier. Second, if you could what makes you think they couldn't turn off the digital stations? You do realize TW has two tiers of digital. I only subscribe to one and thats all I get.

I don't subscribe to anything digital. I pay TW for their Lifeline Basic package which is channels 2-22. Now, via QAM I receive all the local channels in HD. Including,
ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS x2(WNEO and WVIZ), WUAB... but I also get digital channels of "The Tube", WNEO, ABC, CBS, NBC, E!, FoodNetwork, DiscoveryHealth, Discovery, FitTV, and several others. I don't think TW just WANTS to give me those channels. I think because of maybe some bandwidth restriction or something like that, that they can't block those those channels from being viewed. I know others in my area also receive the same thing.

First, I don't think you can get HD without the digital tier. Second, if you could what makes you think they couldn't turn off the digital stations? You do realize TW has two tiers of digital. I only subscribe to one and thats all I get.

It's like someone who has broadcast basic asking for HBO. The cable company will tell you that family cable is "required" before you can subscribe to a movie channel, but what they really mean is that if they gave you the hardware to receive HBO, they couldn't stop you from receiving TNT or USA.

Until they have the ability to filter individual channels on a house by house basis, I suspect there are dependencies like this that they market as "requirements".

It's like someone who has broadcast basic asking for HBO. The cable company will tell you that family cable is "required" before you can subscribe to a movie channel, but what they really mean is that if they gave you the hardware to receive HBO, they couldn't stop you from receiving TNT or USA.

Until they have the ability to filter individual channels on a house by house basis, I suspect there are dependencies like this that they market as "requirements".

I'm not sure that you made a good comparison because the two stations you mention are analog, not encrypted digital.

Now here's a good question - If you purchase basic cable do you need to purchase basic cable plus in order to receive USA and TNT? I don't think you would so long as your television is capable of receiving the standard 125 analog channels.

The question you should ask is "is someone who pays for basic cable able to get HBO without being required to pay for digital as they would receive channels like National Geographic and The Hallmark channel without paying the digital fee?"

I'm not sure that you made a good comparison because the two stations you mention are analog, not encrypted digital.

Now here's a good question - If you purchase basic cable do you need to purchase basic cable plus in order to receive USA and TNT? I don't think you would so long as your television is capable of receiving the standard 125 analog channels.

The question you should ask is "is someone who pays for basic cable able to get HBO without being required to pay for digital as they would receive channels like National Geographic and The Hallmark channel without paying the digital fee?"

I'm not sure I follow you. The only point I was trying to make is that the cable company does not have the ability to turn on or off individual channels for each customer. As long as a request to access any one channel grants access to the entire block, there will be purchase "requirements".

The lowest block is called "Broadcast Basic", or "Lifeline", usually meaning you get over the cable only those channels that you would otherwise get via an antenna. The next block is "Family Cable", meaning the full analog cable that any cable ready tv can receive. The next block is "Digital Basic", which requires a digital cable box or cablecard. They can then offer bundles of digital channels such as sports, foreign language, or HD.

So, let's say you want to buy the HD block. To view these channels, they have to give you an HD capable digital box. Once you plug it in, they can't stop you from watching the "Family Cable" or "Digital Basic" channels, so you are required to buy those packages first if you want HD.

You're right, it is highly likely that you should be required to subscribe to all analog packages to subscribe to a digital package. The difference is once you start talking about digital programming, you can actually provide a true 'a la carte' programming system. This is handled through data encryption and each box can be authorized to decrypt a certain number of channels.

TWC has just decided to make a policy to require a basic digital package to gain access to other digital programming.

You're right, it is highly likely that you should be required to subscribe to all analog packages to subscribe to a digital package. The difference is once you start talking about digital programming, you can actually provide a true 'a la carte' programming system. This is handled through data encryption and each box can be authorized to decrypt a certain number of channels.

TWC has just decided to make a policy to require a basic digital package to gain access to other digital programming.

Other than local channels of course, since that would be illegal... unless they are doing away with analog all together. :)

This is off topic, I suppose, and 'Allo to all here..

I just received the 8300hdc, and I'm in the Ohio city area..it has the SARA UI, which, imo, is terrible..cruddy graphics, and no options for first run/reruns on season passes..bleh..

Anyone know if they're going to be upgrading this area to passport, if there's a way I can get my hands on a box with passport on it?

Anyone know if they're going to be upgrading this area to passport, if there's a way I can get my hands on a box with passport on it?

Whenever they launch a new UI, it will be pushed into all of the boxes automagically.

There's no such thing as a Passport box vs a Sara box; whenever the headend is ready to support a particular UI, everyone will have it, but not until. That's because there's a lot of stuff that has to happen on the back end for any given UI. In other words, even if you got hold of a box that was running Passport and placed it on your Sara system, it either (1) wouldn't work or (2) would pull down a new copy of Sara and overwrite the old stuff.

Patience, grasshopper. :D

This is off topic, I suppose, and 'Allo to all here..

I just received the 8300hdc, and I'm in the Ohio city area..it has the SARA UI, which, imo, is terrible..cruddy graphics, and no options for first run/reruns on season passes..bleh..

Anyone know if they're going to be upgrading this area to passport, if there's a way I can get my hands on a box with passport on it?

Also, do you think if I were to take my HD-DVR into a time warner location and ask for one with passport, they'd 1) Know what I'm talking about, and 2) give me one?

Whenever they launch a new UI, it will be pushed into all of the boxes automagically.

There's no such thing as a Passport box vs a Sara box; whenever the headend is ready to support a particular UI, everyone will have it, but not until. That's because there's a lot of stuff that has to happen on the back end for any given UI. In other words, even if you got hold of a box that was running Passport and placed it on your Sara system, it either (1) wouldn't work or (2) would pull down a new copy of Sara and overwrite the old stuff.

Patience, grasshopper. :D

Wrote my last post before I saw this one :D. So, that makes sense, I think. Essentially, I'm stuck with the crappy SARA interface..but it's not just me, it's everyone in that area, right?

As long as I'm suffering en masse, while my akron friends enjoy passport, I'll feel a bit better. ;)

First, automagically?... I've never heard that... that's funny. :)
Second, welcome to AVS chriztofur. :)
Third, he don't know Time Warner very well do he?
No, they would laugh, only out of embarassment of their ignorance. Then you will walk out shaking your head in disbelief. :)

First, automagically?... I've never heard that... that's funny. :)
Second, welcome to AVS chriztofur. :)
Third, he don't know Time Warner very well do he?
No, they would laugh, only out of embarassment of their ignorance. Then you will walk out shaking your head in disbelief. :)

HAH! Disbelief about Time Warners ignorance..

Three weeks ago, my gf and I moved to ohio city, and put in a request to transfer service, so disconnect old place, install new place with HD-DVR..

A week later they come by, and install the DVR after missing one appointment. Whatever, I was happy, it was working. I leave at 6PM that day, come back at 7, and NOTHING works. Road runner, cable(through the box, or the tv), anything. I had a gut feeling they disconnected our new address instead of the previous, but they denied it. The soonest they'd be able to get anyone out, was that sunday.

Sunday finally rolls around, and the TWC dude comes and fixes the issue. The problem? They HAD came around the SAME DAY they installed it, and disconnected it again, at the interface box!

Guh. hehe.

Other than local channels of course, since that would be illegal... unless they are doing away with analog all together. :)

Not sure what you're getting at here.

This is off topic, I suppose, and 'Allo to all here..

I just received the 8300hdc, and I'm in the Ohio city area..it has the SARA UI, which, imo, is terrible..cruddy graphics, and no options for first run/reruns on season passes..bleh..

Anyone know if they're going to be upgrading this area to passport, if there's a way I can get my hands on a box with passport on it?

As they pointed out to you you're stuck with SARA unless you go to you're nearby CC, Best Buy, or on line and purchase the new TiVo HD for 299.00. You will have to pay for you're own DVR but you will be much happier.

As they pointed out to you you're stuck with SARA unless you go to you're nearby CC, Best Buy, or on line and purchase the new TiVo HD for 299.00. You will have to pay for you're own DVR but you will be much happier.
yeah, that's probably the way to go..i used tivo for a year until we "upgraded" to the 8300hdc..bleh.i just don't want to pay that much.

Not sure what you're getting at here.

Since I subscribe to their basic service, by law thay have to make available to me, the local digital channels in HD via QAM. They can not make me pay for a digital package to receive those channels... unless all they have available is digital, which means they would have to do away with analog in order to implement that.

Since I subscribe to their basic service, by law thay have to make available to me, the local digital channels in HD via QAM. They can not make me pay for a digital package to receive those channels... unless all they have available is digital, which means they would have to do away with analog in order to implement that.

That is a common misunderstanding. It's actually the reverse. If they get rid of the analog locals, then the digital locals must be offered unencrypted and/or they must provide a cable box for every television in the home.

This is the most applicable quote:
We believe that it would facilitate the digital transition to permit cable operators that are carrying a broadcast station’s analog signal on the basic tier to carry that broadcast station’s digital signal on a digital tier pursuant to retransmission consent.

Most cable providers, as a courtesy or in accordance with their retransmission agreement, transmit the local digitals in the clear.

Here's the full document which is a pretty informative read:
http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/2001/fcc01022.pdf

Agree to disagree on how the law is interpreted.
I do know several people who work for TW and my brother worked for them like 15 years. So I do know that TW does not give things to their customers as a courtesy. If they didn't have to provide certain channels to people without "paying" for them, then they wouldn't. They're all about the all-mighty dollar. So IF the law is being misinterpreted, it is by TW as well. They only provide those "additional" channels to customers because they believe they have to.
Like I said though, agree to disagree as I'm not trying to "start anything":).

I have Time Warner in the Elyria/Mentor area. The hd channels we have in the clear are the Cleveland local ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, UPN and we just got WVIZ, plus two local SD weather channels. When we had comcast we also could receive "The Tube", but we can't now. We can not pick up any other digital channels without a box or cablecard.

Like I said though, agree to disagree as I'm not trying to "start anything":).

No, anyone with a name like "Smarty-pants" would ever do anything like that.:D

No, anyone with a name like "Smarty-pants" would ever do anything like that.:D

;)

FWIW, I have WOW Basic service (no digital or movie channels). Back when WOW did not offer the local stations via clear QAM, I called customer service and they gave me a cable box that gets the following channels:

200 - ABCHD
201 - CBSHD
202 - FOXHD
203 - NBCHD
204 - MyNetworkTV HD
218 - A&E HD
220 - Fox Sports Ohio HD
221 - SportsTime Ohio HD
493 - Starz HD
500 - 546 Music Choice

Now that they offer some clear QAM channels, I can get 200-204, the Music Choice stations, as well as the Tube, Weather Plus, and Weather Now, but no A&E, FSO, STO, or Starz. (I still get to keep the HD box at no charge.)

If I want the "HD Pak" with an additional 9 channels like ESPN, TNT, Discovery HD Theater, etc., they tell me that I would have to first upgrade to Digital Cable.

CBS released their HD schedule for weeks 1 and 2 of the regular season. Browns will be HD both weeks. I think a pig just flew by the window...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=892890

Ooops - make that week 1 in HD against the Steelers. Not week 2.

Seuuuuuweei!

CBS released their HD schedule for weeks 1 and 2 of the regular season. Browns will be HD both weeks. I think a pig just flew by the window...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=892890

Ooops - make that week 1 in HD against the Steelers. Not week 2.

So....did you see a pig fly or not?:D

Agree to disagree on how the law is interpreted.

I would still recommend you read the FCC document as it does provide some insight.

CBS released their HD schedule for weeks 1 and 2 of the regular season. Browns will be HD both weeks. I think a pig just flew by the window...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=892890

Ooops - make that week 1 in HD against the Steelers. Not week 2.

Great news! CBS did say earlier this year they are going to broadcast 5-6 games a week in HD. (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/07/cbs-to-offer-more-hd-nfl-all-games-in-hd-by-2008/)

If that holds true, we should see most all of the Browns games in HD once the bye weeks and Thursday games roll around.....

I would still recommend you read the FCC document as it does provide some insight.

I have already. Thanks.

I did a quick search in this thread but didn't have any luck... I'm in downtown Akron, with an powered indoor Antenna next to my TV. I receive Fox and ABC in high definition, but I cannot pick up NBC or CBS. Has anyone else had a similar problem?

Some channels are more difficult to get than others. Some channels are UHF, some are VHF, and some antennas don't do both real well. If your TV and indoor antenna aren't on an upper floor and near a window, you may have trouble.

I recommend getting the biggest antenna you can, putting it as high up as you can, as outside as you can, and have an amplifier as close to it as you can. The more of these you can do, the more luck I think you'll have.

Some channels are more difficult to get than others. Some channels are UHF, some are VHF, and some antennas don't do both real well. If your TV and indoor antenna aren't on an upper floor and near a window, you may have trouble.

I recommend getting the biggest antenna you can, putting it as high up as you can, as outside as you can, and have an amplifier as close to it as you can. The more of these you can do, the more luck I think you'll have.

I have a Terk HDTVa Indoor antenna with a Samsung 5265f. I live in a condo (first floor) with tall buildings around me. Are there any other options that you can think of? Should I stop hoping and switch to TWC?

I have a Terk HDTVa Indoor antenna with a Samsung 5265f. I live in a condo (first floor) with tall buildings around me. Are there any other options that you can think of? Should I stop hoping and switch to TWC?

Just my opinion, which I've expressed many times but all these problems with antennas and where the towers are seem to be a big pia, and you can get more HD with cable or satellite.

However I will grant you that if you can find something that works for you and you don't mind missing great HD series on TNT like The Closer and such, not to mention the excellent programming that FX gives which again IMHO is better then HBO then go with the antenna.

BTW, we don't have FX in HD - yet. Hopefully, one day.

Is it possible that CBS and NBC don't have strong output? ABC and Fox are 23 miles away and about 348 degrees per antennaweb.org. CBS and NBC are about the same compass and distance!!! I really want football in HD this fall.

I did a quick search in this thread but didn't have any luck... I'm in downtown Akron, with an powered indoor Antenna next to my TV. I receive Fox and ABC in high definition, but I cannot pick up NBC or CBS. Has anyone else had a similar problem?

Does your TV have a QAM tuner? If so, you could just subscribe to the lifeline basic($10.74/mo.) package and get all the local HD channels plus a few national HD channels that are in the clear.

I have a Terk HDTVa Indoor antenna with a Samsung 5265f. I live in a condo (first floor) with tall buildings around me. Are there any other options that you can think of? Should I stop hoping and switch to TWC?

I don't think you'll have much luck with that scanario. But to answer the question of why bother? there are many great reasons to invest time and money in antennas.

o It's free, after purchasing the antenna
o It's another option if the sat/cable goes down or you're taping other things
o There are many more channels and subchannels available than offered by sat/cable
o The quality is (typically) better than sat/cable
o In many cases like mine, I can get multiple NBCs, CBSs, FOXs, .... When something is preempted or blacked out you can always go between Cleveland, Youngstown, Akron, Pittsburgh, or whatever you are able to reach.

I don't think you'll have much luck with that scanario. But to answer the question of why bother? there are many great reasons to invest time and money in antennas.

o The quality is (typically) better than sat/cable


You qualified this by saying "typically" but everything I've read over the last 3 years indicates that is highly debatable. Several factors come into play including what type of television you have.

I'm inclined to say that there is no difference to "most" of your average viewers. A true videofile may see a difference. Further, TW doesn't compress their signal so there really shouldn't be any difference. Even people with D* which does compress locals have indicated that their picture is excellent.

My Samsung TV does have a QAM tuner, but I don't watch my television, I mainly want to receive HDTV Football. The TV is mostly for movies and games. Any other ideas?

You qualified this by saying "typically" but everything I've read over the last 3 years indicates that is highly debatable. Several factors come into play including what type of television you have.

I'm inclined to say that there is no difference to "most" of your average viewers. A true videofile may see a difference. Further, TW doesn't compress their signal so there really shouldn't be any difference. Even people with D* which does compress locals have indicated that their picture is excellent.

Of course what you see depends on the TV and viewer's ability to pick out detail. I've seen D*'s locals for Cleveland and they do look excellent, but when switching to the antenna it looks better.

I'm not knocking any solution for local channels. Only stating that for the time/money I spent on the antenna and save by not paying for a local package, it's hard to beat 40+ free digital channels.

I'm not knocking any solution for local channels. Only stating that for the time/money I spent on the antenna and save by not paying for a local package, it's hard to beat 40+ free digital channels.

I knew that you can pick up OTA other cities channels and their subs but that's a heck of a lot of channels. I don't want you to go through the trouble of listing all you receive but can you give me an idea of what you get that would be different?

Of course what you see depends on the TV and viewer's ability to pick out detail. I've seen D*'s locals for Cleveland and they do look excellent, but when switching to the antenna it looks better.

I'm not knocking any solution for local channels. Only stating that for the time/money I spent on the antenna and save by not paying for a local package, it's hard to beat 40+ free digital channels.

I have a rooftop antenna with excellent reception (we're around six miles south of the antenna farm). Plus I have D* and a couple HR-20's with MPEG4 locals. There is no way I can imagine any difference on the 32" Samsung LCD flatscreen in the den. Even on the 60" SXRD in the family room, I really can't tell any qualitative difference. Only real advantage of the antenna is that I don't get any "rain fade" in a storm.

I installed the antenna around 6 years ago with my first HD TV. I would not bother today with D*'s MPEG4 technology and 50 HD stations by end of year (over 100 by end of next year).

I would not bother today with D*'s MPEG4 technology and 50 HD stations by end of year (over 100 by end of next year).

Ugh, don't get me started on that. OK you already did.;)

I don't know what D* has in mind but there is no way they will have "up to 150" legitimate different HD channels by end of this year or next year. I suspect many of those channels will be "on demand" type channels.

Ugh, don't get me started on that. OK you already did.;)

I don't know what D* has in mind but there is no way they will have "up to 150" legitimate different HD channels by end of this year or next year. I suspect many of those channels will be "on demand" type channels.

I've read about their creative channel counting. If they have 1 "on demand" channel from which you can choose from a list of 20 free movies in HD, that counts as 20 channels. Go figure.

I knew that you can pick up OTA other cities channels and their subs but that's a heck of a lot of channels. I don't want you to go through the trouble of listing all you receive but can you give me an idea of what you get that would be different?

Essentially there is NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, PBS, Religious, Shopping, Spanish, and WE-type networks (43, 55, etc). They come in for me from Cleve, Akron, and Youngstown - most with subchannels. I think the last scan I did turned up 42 or so.

There's nothing different necessarily (especially if you turn off the 10 religious/shopping/spanish channels) but the repeated networks give more options during football season, if a channel goes down, different news, and weather subchannels. This is just not possible with sat/cable.

I have a rooftop antenna with excellent reception (we're around six miles south of the antenna farm). Plus I have D* and a couple HR-20's with MPEG4 locals. There is no way I can imagine any difference on the 32" Samsung LCD flatscreen in the den. Even on the 60" SXRD in the family room, I really can't tell any qualitative difference. Only real advantage of the antenna is that I don't get any "rain fade" in a storm.


Really? Not even with the SXRD? That's the TV I was using (60A2020). Please try it sometime during a baseball game or something. Do an A-B comparison, ask yourself if you can tell which one your on.

Let me summarize:

Receive 3.1 + 5.1 (crystal clear)
Do not receive 3.1, 3, 19.1, 19 (no picture at all)

Could it be a tuner (Samsung LNT5265f) or antenna (TERK HDTVa) issue? Or is this a broadcasting issue?

I receive PBS and the TN station no problem.

Ugh, don't get me started on that. OK you already did.;)

I don't know what D* has in mind but there is no way they will have "up to 150" legitimate different HD channels by end of this year or next year. I suspect many of those channels will be "on demand" type channels.

What they've said is that they will "have room" for 150 HD nationals before end of next year (i.e., after they launch the next satellite). They have published their 50 plus available by the end of this year (they add most of them in September). Believe I've seen a list projecting 100 by end of next year and that does include their normal number of "on demand" channels. But the key is that they will not be bandwidth constrained (they can pick up anything as it becomes available) and their MPEG4 quality is great.

Is it possible that CBS and NBC don't have strong output? ABC and Fox are 23 miles away and about 348 degrees per antennaweb.org. CBS and NBC are about the same compass and distance!!! I really want football in HD this fall.

*IF* you can use an outdoor antenna, you will have better luck. Indoor antennae just don't cut it, especially when your building has alot of metal in and on it.

Your second strike is you are low in the building. If you look out the window, there are hills, trees and other larger buildings in your line of sight. If you use the map accurately on antennaweb, you can ballpark the direction you must "see" in.

I'm going to assume (yeah i know, i know...) that you are in the new condos on Northside. Regardless of where you are, if your antenna isn't in a window on the north side of the building, you're done.

I'm in Highland Square, and just got my first HDTV. I planned on an antenna as a backup to TWC being TWC, and was considering placement in my northern eave of the attic, as I have a 3 story house, including the attic.

Fortunately, TWC broadcasts many if not all of the local HD channels in the clear. I have only the Lifeline Basic, which is the bottom 23 channels, and the HD clear channels which are positioned in the low RF 100s. My TV just doesn't label them properly, and I can't seem to override it.

*IF* you can use an outdoor antenna, you will have better luck. Indoor antennae just don't cut it, especially when your building has alot of metal in and on it.

Your second strike is you are low in the building. If you look out the window, there are hills, trees and other larger buildings in your line of sight. If you use the map accurately on antennaweb, you can ballpark the direction you must "see" in.

I'm going to assume (yeah i know, i know...) that you are in the new condos on Northside. Regardless of where you are, if your antenna isn't in a window on the north side of the building, you're done.

I'm in Highland Square, and just got my first HDTV. I planned on an antenna as a backup to TWC being TWC, and was considering placement in my northern eave of the attic, as I have a 3 story house, including the attic.

Fortunately, TWC broadcasts many if not all of the local HD channels in the clear. I have only the Lifeline Basic, which is the bottom 23 channels, and the HD clear channels which are positioned in the low RF 100s. My TV just doesn't label them properly, and I can't seem to override it.


I'm actually at the Landings near downtown Akron. Unfortunately, an outoor antenna is not an option. The big question I have, is that all of the major local stations are exactly the same distance and same compass and I only receive 2 out of 4??????????

Channel 3.x broadcast digitally on VHF 2, a known flaw, especially when in the low end of the band. 19.1 is also on VHF, but at 10.

Supposedly, WKYC will be bumping up to UHF in the near future. Something to do with licensing and/or equipment. I can't remember exactly.

Channel 3.x broadcast digitally on VHF 2, a known flaw, especially when in the low end of the band. 19.1 is also on VHF, but at 10.

Supposedly, WKYC will be bumping up to UHF in the near future. Something to do with licensing and/or equipment. I can't remember exactly.

So it is broadcasting! Thanks Rambozo. Do you have any idea when they will be upgrading? Also, have any Akron residents been able to get Youngstown stations?

On a side note, what does the lifeline TWC cost?

Lifeline basic (channels 2-22) should cost somewhere between $12-$15 per month depending on what area you live in. Mine costs less that $13 per month after all taxes and fees etc...
If you have a QAM tuner, you should be able to receive all the "local" channels in HD with that package.

On a side note, what does the lifeline TWC cost?

As an Akron resident, I'm paying $11.54 including taxes, etc.

Do you have any idea when they will be upgrading?

Well it may be outdated info. Backtracking my steps, I found a couple mentions of WKYC moving to UHF 17 in 2009, but the FCC pages don't reflect that. At one time, they supposedly did.

One good thing about cable is a consistent experience without the antenna hassle.

So it is broadcasting! Thanks Rambozo. Do you have any idea when they will be upgrading? Also, have any Akron residents been able to get Youngstown stations?
Well maybe not totally broadcasting but maybe more reception - of your antenna. I live in Kent and get channel 3.1, 3.2 rock solid, better than any other station. I am using a Winegard Sensor II amplified antenna. It is supposedly strong in the VHF range. I don't get 19.1 very well, but I hear they don't transmit strongly either. Most Channelmaster and Winegard antenna spec sheets will give you a sensitivity plot for a particular antenna. So what you may only need is a different (or additional) antenna. Although I do not have a rotor I can pick up Youngstown stations despite being pointed towards Parma.

Here is the "final" table of allocations for stations in the area (FCC mid August 2007). It also lists "DTV ERP"... the effective output from the antenna. "HAAT" is essentially how high the antenna is.
The DTV channels were, for the most part, elected by the stations. The FCC originally assigned channels, but later allowed the stations to select the assigned channel, their NTSC channel, or negotiate a different channel.
Most stations ran from the low-VHF channels... prone to multi-path, man-made interference, etc. Stations tried to keep away from adjacent channels that might interfere with them. (As it turns out, 2nd adjacents may cause more interference than first adjacents.)
DTV tuners have very poor selectivity. Instead of being double-conversion, they are being built cheap... single-conversion. All of this interference can cause a station's signal to be un-decodable.
WKYC's current ERP on CH2 is 8 kW... but notice they are going to CH 17 at 1000 kW on Feb 17, 2009. That should be a big help. WOIO is on CH 10 now at 3.5 kW. Is that a Canadian issue (protecting a station in Canada on 10)?
WYTV at 50 kW.
Unless the FCC allows waivers, the stations are locked into these until after 2009.

Sorry this chart doesn't lineup as it does when composing... NTSC ch is first, DTV is second, ERP third, HAAT is last...

State and City NTSC DTV
Chan Chan ERP (kW) HAAT (m)
OH AKRON 23 23 317 296
OH AKRON 55 30 1000 334
OH AKRON 49 50 180 305
OH ALLIANCE 45 45 388 223
OH CANTON 17 39 200 292
OH CANTON 67 47 1000 134
OH CLEVE 8 8 15.7 305
OH CLEVEL 5 15 1000 311
OH CLEVEL 3 17 1000 296
OH CLEVEL 25 26 100 313
OH CLEVEL 61 34 525 334
OH LORAIN 43 28 200 337
OH SHAKER 19 10 3.5 304
OH YOUNGS 21 20 460 295
OH YOUNGS 33 36 50 148
OH YOUNGS 27 41 700 418

Well maybe not totally broadcasting but maybe more reception - of your antenna. I live in Kent and get channel 3.1, 3.2 rock solid, better than any other station. I am using a Winegard Sensor II amplified antenna. It is supposedly strong in the VHF range. I don't get 19.1 very well, but I hear they don't transmit strongly either. Most Channelmaster and Winegard antenna spec sheets will give you a sensitivity plot for a particular antenna. So what you may only need is a different (or additional) antenna. Although I do not have a rotor I can pick up Youngstown stations despite being pointed towards Parma.

The TERK HDTVa claims to have both UHF and VHF, but I'm guessing it doesn't pick up the VHF well? Is there another Indoor atenna that receives both UHF and VHF well?

Your biggest obstacle is being forced indoors with your antenna. Your second obstacle is altitude. You are in a lower lying area (relatively speaking), on the ground floor. Go outside and look towards a little left of due north. If you can't see clearly for miles, neither can your antenna. Maybe you can relocate your indoor antenna higher in the building?

Be sure to thoroughly read the antennaweb.org FAQ (http://antennaweb.org/aw/info.aspx?page=FAQ).

You may be happier with TWC's Lifeline Basic. Just don't mention HDTV or they'll hard sell you into Digital+HDTV for way too much money.

All I did was connect my existing cable to the TV, and scanned for cable digital channels, then for the analog channels.

anyone notice that time warner changed the fox sports ohio channel to just read ohio? at least they did on my mystro box (several things are different on this box including movies that show up on HBO on demand)

To bring up a past issue, when I lived in dayton, TWC did NOT carry the NBC affiliate's DTV broadcast via QAM, in the clear or otherwise. If you wanted WDTN-DT you had to get it OTA. Everybody on this forum said some legal mumbo jumbo, and they (TWC and NBC) won't come to an agreement. (Who knows what will happen in Feb '09 though.)

Here is the "final" table of allocations for stations in the area (FCC mid August 2007). It also lists "DTV ERP"... the effective output from the antenna. "HAAT" is essentially how high the antenna is.
The DTV channels were, for the most part, elected by the stations. The FCC originally assigned channels, but later allowed the stations to select the assigned channel, their NTSC channel, or negotiate a different channel.
Most stations ran from the low-VHF channels... prone to multi-path, man-made interference, etc. Stations tried to keep away from adjacent channels that might interfere with them. (As it turns out, 2nd adjacents may cause more interference than first adjacents.)
DTV tuners have very poor selectivity. Instead of being double-conversion, they are being built cheap... single-conversion. All of this interference can cause a station's signal to be un-decodable.
WKYC's current ERP on CH2 is 8 kW... but notice they are going to CH 17 at 1000 kW on Feb 17, 2009. That should be a big help. WOIO is on CH 10 now at 3.5 kW. Is that a Canadian issue (protecting a station in Canada on 10)?
WYTV at 50 kW.
Unless the FCC allows waivers, the stations are locked into these until after 2009.

Sorry this chart doesn't lineup as it does when composing... NTSC ch is first, DTV is second, ERP third, HAAT is last...

State and City NTSC DTV
Chan Chan ERP (kW) HAAT (m)
OH AKRON 23 23 317 296
OH AKRON 55 30 1000 334
OH AKRON 49 50 180 305
OH ALLIANCE 45 45 388 223
OH CANTON 17 39 200 292
OH CANTON 67 47 1000 134
OH CLEVE 8 8 15.7 305
OH CLEVEL 5 15 1000 311
OH CLEVEL 3 17 1000 296
OH CLEVEL 25 26 100 313
OH CLEVEL 61 34 525 334
OH LORAIN 43 28 200 337
OH SHAKER 19 10 3.5 304
OH YOUNGS 21 20 460 295
OH YOUNGS 33 36 50 148
OH YOUNGS 27 41 700 418

You would have thought that WOIO would have requested a move to a channel that allowed them to use more power.

But wait, would that not cost them more money for electricity; and aren't they the one major affiliate in Cleveland that won't budget a few thousand to provide Dolby Digital audio?

Do I sense a common denominator here? It's called CHEAP!

Do I sense a common denominator here? It's called CHEAP!

Actually for the Superbowl last year they "magically" acquired Dolby 5.1 then the next week they killed it with some bull s**t reason.

Yes, we all know they are the cheapest of the cheap.:)

Hey all I live in shaker heights in an apartment on the 2nd floor. I recently just bought a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 tuner for a computer I'm building.

The issue is I need a good indoor antenna to pick up the OTA signal, unfortunately the windows of my apartment face at around 100°-170° and most of the channels in Cleveland from my apartment are at around 240°.

Reference from http://www.antennaweb.org

DTV Call Sign Channel Compass Miles

WEWS 5 243° 11.5
* WEWS-DT 5.1 243° 11.4
WOIO 9 243° 9.9
* WOIO-DT19.1 243° 9.9
WUAB 43 245° 11.4
* WUAB-DT 43.1 245° 11.4
WQHS 61 243° 10.4
* WQHS-DT61.1 243° 10.4
WKYC 3 242° 9.8
* WKYC-DT 3.1 242° 9.8
WVIZ 25 238° 13.7
WJW 8 240° 11.8
* WJW-DT 8.1 240° 11.8
WBNX 55 242° 10.1
* WBNX-DT 55.1 242° 10.1
WCDN-LP 53 242° 10.1
W35AX 35] 242° 10.1
* WVIZ-DT 25.1 238° 13.8
WVPX 23 193° 28.1
WEAO 49 198° 27.2
W51BI 51 99° 12.6
WOAC 67 165° 27.0
WGGN 52 274° 65.2

Really? Not even with the SXRD? That's the TV I was using (60A2020). Please try it sometime during a baseball game or something. Do an A-B comparison, ask yourself if you can tell which one your on.

Gotta chime in on this. I'm VERY picky about my live sports and haven't picked up on any difference between the mpeg4 locals on D* and OTA. Other than the usual disadvantage of 1080i following fast action they appear to be identical to me with an SXRD tv. About a year ago there were some frightful growing pains when the D* digital locals were first unveiled but this has been all cleaned up.

Gotta chime in on this. I'm VERY picky about my live sports and haven't picked up on any difference between the mpeg4 locals on D* and OTA. Other than the usual disadvantage of 1080i following fast action they appear to be identical to me with an SXRD tv. About a year ago there were some frightful growing pains when the D* digital locals were first unveiled but this has been all cleaned up.

Glad to hear some reassurance. I am finally making the switch from E* to D* with a scheduled installation tomorrow morning. One of the main deciding factors was to be able to access dependable locals and be on board with the Big Ten Network!

What they've said is that they will "have room" for 150 HD nationals before end of next year (i.e., after they launch the next satellite). They have published their 50 plus available by the end of this year (they add most of them in September). Believe I've seen a list projecting 100 by end of next year and that does include their normal number of "on demand" channels. But the key is that they will not be bandwidth constrained (they can pick up anything as it becomes available) and their MPEG4 quality is great.

Whether or not they have room for 150 channels in my opinion is not the issue. The issue is they are using deceptive advertising on their commercials.

Now I don't want to say that what they are doing is much more different then cable does ("You can have digital TV for only 39.95 - if you bundle") but the assurance of a promise seems to be more apparent to me.

Still, buyer beware. I know and you know that they arn't going to have that many channels but I'll bet that many people have switched just due to that advertisement.

Gotta chime in on this. I'm VERY picky about my live sports and haven't picked up on any difference between the mpeg4 locals on D* and OTA. Other than the usual disadvantage of 1080i following fast action they appear to be identical to me with an SXRD tv. About a year ago there were some frightful growing pains when the D* digital locals were first unveiled but this has been all cleaned up.

I agree. I'm VERY picky myself :D , Panny 50" 1080p plasma. Really can't tell the difference between the D* MPEG4 locals on the HR20 vs. OTA or WOW cable.

WOIO and WKYC could have perfect 1080i PQ like STO if only they'd stop multicasting.

I agree. I'm VERY picky myself :D , Panny 50" 1080p plasma. Really can't tell the difference between the D* MPEG4 locals on the HR20 vs. OTA or WOW cable.

WOIO and WKYC could have perfect 1080i PQ like STO if only they'd stop multicasting.


This is exactly what I've heard not only here but at other areas in the AVS Forum. That's why I said it is "highly debatable" about OTA being better then either cable or D*.

Whether or not they have room for 150 channels in my opinion is not the issue. The issue is they are using deceptive advertising on their commercials.

Now I don't want to say that what they are doing is much more different then cable does ("You can have digital TV for only 39.95 - if you bundle") but the assurance of a promise seems to be more apparent to me.

Still, buyer beware. I know and you know that they arn't going to have that many channels but I'll bet that many people have switched just due to that advertisement.

I don't pay attention to their advertising. I have read their applicable press releases and they are addressing capacity when detailing any numbers after this year.

D* has been an easy target for years. I've complained as much as any about their HD Lite. But I considered their programming plus the HD Tivo as the best option available at that time.

In the last year I again evaluated all my options. At the end of the process, I surprised myself by deciding that D* was still the best for me. I've switched to the HR20s and they are now a better platform that my old HD Tivo, which is now boxed and sitting in my basement's graveyard for old audio/video components.

D*'s primary plus for me was the HR20, quality of MPEG4 (i.e., end of HD lite), and an architecture to provide pretty much an unlimited number of future national HD stations.

Everything that we normally watch, except FNC, will be available HD within the next couple months. That includes my wife's HGTV and Food network.

In the last year I again evaluated all my options. At the end of the process, I surprised myself by deciding that D* was still the best for me. I've switched to the HR20s and they are now a better platform that my old HD Tivo, which is now boxed and sitting in my basement's graveyard for old audio/video components.



I haven't seen the HR20 so it would be unfair to compare it to the old Direct TV TiVo based DVR which is what you are talking about. But let's make sure that IS what you are talking about because if you think the HR20 is better then my S3, or even the new HD TiVo (cable + ota) then pardon me while I walk on outside to have a laughing fit. All the additional features that the TiVo's have IMHO make them the better unit.

I will grant you that as strictly a DVR if you are able to get stations like FX and USA on HD now, hats off to D*.

I don't know anything about the S3 Tivo, but I'll take the larger HD capacity D* will have over a specific DVR. When I first switched from E* earlier this year, the HR20 unit was pretty lackluster, but it continues to get better.

However you want to count the number of actual HD channels D* will have, it will still be more than E* or U* (I guess that's what we'll call U-Verse!). And it will definitely be more than any of the cable companies. Literally the only thing that I miss about Time Warner is the lack of WVIZ-DT. Frankly if they ever get their antenna up that will be a moot point too.

I haven't seen the HR20 so it would be unfair to compare it to the old Direct TV TiVo based DVR which is what you are talking about. But let's make sure that IS what you are talking about because if you think the HR20 is better then my S3, or even the new HD TiVo (cable + ota) then pardon me while I walk on outside to have a laughing fit. All the additional features that the TiVo's have IMHO make them the better unit.

I will grant you that as strictly a DVR if you are able to get stations like FX and USA on HD now, hats off to D*.

I was talking about the HR10-250. Strange that you say since you haven't seen the HR20 you can't compare it to the old HD Tivo; but you turn around and compare it to the S3.

If your "laughing fit" is over, how about naming a few of those "additional features" the Tivo's have.

Reason that I decided against the S3 was purchase cost, they are used with bandwidth constrained cable, and the only way they can significantly increase bandwidth is to implement SDV which will cripple the S3 (yes it will somewhat work; but definitely not as designed).

I've never said the HR20 is better than the S3. But my above paragraph now says why I decided it was better for me.

I've never said the HR20 is better than the S3. But my above paragraph now says why I decided it was better for me.

I'm not ignoring you're request for additional features of the S3 vs. HR20 but since there is an "HD TiVo" now I wanted to point out that you were indeed talking about the HR10-250. Sorry about the laughing comment, that was uncalled for.

OK, some of the things you can do with the S3 that you can't do with HR20 is you can purchase or rent movies from Amazon.com and have it downloaded directly to your TiVo. I acknowledge you have pay per view but you can't actually purchase a movie. I don't believe D* offers specials on there ppv for 99 cents, Amazon does.

A new feature just recently added was Universal Swivel Search. Let's say you like a particular actor, Swivel Search will find not only current shows on cable but also movies available at Amazon. Swivel also allows you to kind of "bounce around" where you start with maybe a terminology and it will take you to various things. It's a bit difficult for me to describe but it really is a cool feature.

You can download podcast to your S3 and even if it isn't listed on TiVos podcast if you have a URL you can punch that in and it will get it for you. I recently did this with John Lennons "Rolling Stone" interview which was in 5 parts. Pretty awesome.

I don't know if the HR20 allows you to have eSATA, you can with the S3. With my eSATA I have 98 hours HD and 992 hours standard definition.

TiVo Cast - a variety of things from news to comedy you can get directly from TiVo's site to your S3.

I can play my entire library of music from my computer through my S3.

We are waiting still for Multi Room Viewing and TiVo to go. Rumor has it however that HD will not be available for that.

You can actually send home movies to someone elses computer with the S3. That's a service, cost a few bucks. I don't use it.

There may be more but that's all that comes to mind.

Now if I didn't have trees that block my view from receiving D* I probably would have gone with the HR20. At that time I had no idea of D*'s HD plans. I think D* is a good deal, and my understanding of the HR20 is it is a good DVR. But overall I think the S3 with it's internet capabilities makes it a better DVR.

I'm not ignoring you're request for additional features of the S3 vs. HR20 but since there is an "HD TiVo" now I wanted to point out that you were indeed talking about the HR10-250. Sorry about the laughing comment, that was uncalled for.

OK, some of the things you can do with the S3 that you can't do with HR20 is you can purchase or rent movies from Amazon.com and have it downloaded directly to your TiVo. I acknowledge you have pay per view but you can't actually purchase a movie. I don't believe D* offers specials on there ppv for 99 cents, Amazon does.

A new feature just recently added was Universal Swivel Search. Let's say you like a particular actor, Swivel Search will find not only current shows on cable but also movies available at Amazon. Swivel also allows you to kind of "bounce around" where you start with maybe a terminology and it will take you to various things. It's a bit difficult for me to describe but it really is a cool feature.

You can download podcast to your S3 and even if it isn't listed on TiVos podcast if you have a URL you can punch that in and it will get it for you. I recently did this with John Lennons "Rolling Stone" interview which was in 5 parts. Pretty awesome.

I don't know if the HR20 allows you to have eSATA, you can with the S3. With my eSATA I have 98 hours HD and 992 hours standard definition.

TiVo Cast - a variety of things from news to comedy you can get directly from TiVo's site to your S3.

I can play my entire library of music from my computer through my S3.

We are waiting still for Multi Room Viewing and TiVo to go. Rumor has it however that HD will not be available for that.

You can actually send home movies to someone elses computer with the S3. That's a service, cost a few bucks. I don't use it.

There may be more but that's all that comes to mind.

Now if I didn't have trees that block my view from receiving D* I probably would have gone with the HR20. At that time I had no idea of D*'s HD plans. I think D* is a good deal, and my understanding of the HR20 is it is a good DVR. But overall I think the S3 with it's internet capabilities makes it a better DVR.

Thanks for the excellent, informative response.

I agree that the S3 has excellent features. That's their current niche. We ordered the HR10-250 "pre-release" and loved it for the entire time it was in our family room. We gave it up only to get ready for D*'s MPEG4 nationals.

The HR20 does have a couple of the more valuable (my subjective opinion) features you cite for the S3. It does have e-SATA capability and networking/media center functionality (e.g., can play music from your pc files). I may implement the e-SATA functionality; but at the moment am not "thrilled" by the fact that the files are available only for that specific HR20 (i.e., if you must replace your HR20--you lose all your e-SATA files). I don't use the networking features because I prefer the increased functionality and much better performance specs available in my PS3.

I agree that the S3 is maybe a better DVR today and I would have chosen it, if it could have been used with D*. But, the HR20 firmware is updated pretty much every month and has improved significantly even in the couple months I've used it. It's the combination of the HR20 and D*'s major MPEG4 expansion that drove my decision to stay with D*. I do live on the north side of an east-west street and have a clean line of sight south-west opening for maybe 500-600 feet before I get to the heavy trees in the neighbors back yard.

Anyway, good luck with the S3 and your cable company. Hopefully, all our various providers and components will give good service.

I'm not sure if this is a stupid question or not. I live in Stow and just had Time Warner cable installed. Everything is working fine, except all of the On-Demand channels say "On-Demand is not available at this time." Is this a problem for anyone else, or do I need to call TWC and see if it is on my end?

I'm not sure if this is a stupid question or not. I live in Stow and just had Time Warner cable installed. Everything is working fine, except all of the On-Demand channels say "On-Demand is not available at this time." Is this a problem for anyone else, or do I need to call TWC and see if it is on my end?

Works fine for me. I'm in Bainbridge former Adelphia. I have heard some former Comcast customers say they cannot receive On Demand.

Call them.

I'm not sure if this is a stupid question or not. I live in Stow and just had Time Warner cable installed. Everything is working fine, except all of the On-Demand channels say "On-Demand is not available at this time." Is this a problem for anyone else, or do I need to call TWC and see if it is on my end?

It's not a stupid question at all. It's probably one of two things; either your box hasn't established it's two-way path and gotten an IP address yet or the system is temporarily offline at their headend. I agree with Hookbill - call them and ask.

I agree. I'm VERY picky myself :D , Panny 50" 1080p plasma. Really can't tell the difference between the D* MPEG4 locals on the HR20 vs. OTA or WOW cable.

WOIO and WKYC could have perfect 1080i PQ like STO if only they'd stop multicasting.

Well, the D* installation went smooth on Saturday. It only took the guy 3 1/2 hours to hookup an HR20, H20 and a SD receiver! That 5LNB satellite on my roof is HUGE! :eek: Anyways, just like to confirm that I also noticed no difference between the OTA HD's and the D* HD Locals. What a relief! Not to mention, there is now a huge monkey off my back now that I no longer have to worry about clouds, no clouds, snow, rain, wind, trees in full bloom and other interferences in achieving an uninterrupted HD signal! I am ready to start enjoying the upcoming fall network programing and NFL season in HD with no more annoying dropouts.

Well, the D* installation went smooth on Saturday. It only took the guy 3 1/2 hours to hookup an HR20, H20 and a SD receiver! That 5LNB satellite on my roof is HUGE! :eek: Anyways, just like to confirm that I also noticed no difference between the OTA HD's and the D* HD Locals. What a relief! Not to mention, there is now a huge monkey off my back now that I no longer have to worry about clouds, no clouds, snow, rain, wind, trees in full bloom and other interferences in achieving an uninterrupted HD signal! I am ready to start enjoying the upcoming fall network programing and NFL season in HD with no more annoying dropouts.

Welcome to the HR20 group. Did you get the HR20-100? If so, and if your antenna is still connected, can you get channel 3-1 OTA with your HR20-100. I can't get it and believe it is a firmware issue (i.e., low vhf channels). Thanks.

Welcome to the HR20 group. Did you get the HR20-100? If so, and if your antenna is still connected, can you get channel 3-1 OTA with your HR20-100. I can't get it and believe it is a firmware issue (i.e., low vhf channels). Thanks.

Not sure if it's the HR20-100 or 700. I will have to look when I get home. What is the advantage of connecting the OTA to the HR20? To create the ability to record 3 programs at once instead of 2?

Not sure if it's the HR20-100 or 700. I will have to look when I get home. What is the advantage of connecting the OTA to the HR20? To create the ability to record 3 programs at once instead of 2?

Connecting an antenna gives you access to your DTV subchannels not carried by D*, DTV channels not carried by D* like PBS (in most areas), and a backup in case your satellite signal is interrupted.

Does anybody use the Samsung DTB-H260F external HDTV tuner and how do you like it?

Has anyone else in Medina on Armstrong (Digital) seen that they have removed 3,5,8,17,18,31 from the SD digital lineup on HD boxes? Also, all of my HD channels now display as Dolby D EX on my receiver (JVC RX-DP15). I'm assuming they were freeing up more bandwidth?

Does anyone know of any upcoming changes to Armstrong's lineup?

As a side note, I watched my first Tribe game on STO-HD last night on D*. (Was never able to get STO-HD on E* because I couldn't access satellite 129, and was setup for 61.5 instead.)

After reading all of the dirty rumors knocking STO, I was expecting lousy PQ. And boy, was I wrong! I actually thought the STO-HD broadcast was absolutely stunning. I will even go as far to say that I thought it was better than the WKYC-HD Tribe broadcasts that I've seen in the past.

The best thing about last night's broadcast included a triple play in HD! Wow, was that sweet! :eek: I'm gonna love watching these ever important home games next month all in glorious HD. Go Tribe!

For the record, I was viewing on a 42" 1080i Plasma.

As a side note, I watched my first Tribe game on STO-HD last night on D*. (Was never able to get STO-HD on E* because I couldn't access satellite 129, and was setup for 61.5 instead.)

After reading all of the dirty rumors knocking STO, I was expecting lousy PQ. And boy, was I wrong! I actually thought the STO-HD broadcast was absolutely stunning. I will even go as far to say that I thought it was better than the WKYC-HD Tribe broadcasts that I've seen in the past.

The best thing about last night's broadcast included a triple play in HD! Wow, was that sweet! :eek: I'm gonna love watching these ever important home games next month all in glorious HD. Go Tribe!

For the record, I was viewing on a 42" 1080i Plasma.

I totally agree with you! I think the STO-HD broadcasts have looked amazing!

After reading all of the dirty rumors knocking STO, I was expecting lousy PQ. And boy, was I wrong! I actually thought the STO-HD broadcast was absolutely stunning. I will even go as far to say that I thought it was better than the WKYC-HD Tribe broadcasts that I've seen in the past.



When STO started last year they had a few hurtles to clear before they got it right. But I haven't heard anyone complain about STO's PQ in sometime. Don't know where you're getting that from.

As far as "better" then WKYC-HD, to me it's one and the same. But they do show more HD games on STO then on WKYC so enjoy!:)

It was great to go from MIN/CLE, NYY/DET, to CIN/ATL Football, all in great HD. I've been around here for many years and I remember what it was like when we were lucky to get Monday Night Football in HD!

As far as "better" then WKYC-HD, to me it's one and the same. But they do show more HD games on STO then on WKYC so enjoy!:)

STO seems a bit better because they don't have the bandwidth stealing WeatherPlus that WKYC does. I notice a little bit of macroblocking on WKYC's graphics going in and out and on a very few select closeup, high motion plays during the baseball game. But I would say it's 95% of the STO PQ and can't really complain.

In either case, the PQ is spectacular compared to baseball in 720p on Fox or ESPN.

The best thing about last night's broadcast included a triple play in HD! Wow, was that sweet! :eek: I'm gonna love watching these ever important home games next month all in glorious HD. Go Tribe!

That was freakin' awesome :D. My wife was coming into the room as it was happening and I stood up and yelled "YES, OH MY GOD. THAT WAS AWESOME" and she looks at me and said what's wrong with you? I said did you see that?... do you know how rare that is?... And she goes, "whatever". :)

That was freakin' awesome :D. My wife was coming into the room as it was happening and I stood up and yelled "YES, OH MY GOD. THAT WAS AWESOME" and she looks at me and said what's wrong with you? I said did you see that?... do you know how rare that is?... And she goes, "whatever". :)

Yeah, I went bananas when it happened too. My wife missed the "live" version as she was nose deep in a book. I ended up replaying it about 6 times so she ended up seeing it anyways. I told her that she needs to remember where she was and what date this happened so she could reference this great and super rare achievement as we may never witness a triple play in our lives again.

Yeah, I went bananas when it happened too. My wife missed the "live" version as she was nose deep in a book. I ended up replaying it about 6 times so she ended up seeing it anyways. I told her that she needs to remember where she was and what date this happened so she could reference this great and super rare achievement as we may never witness a triple play in our lives again.

Thankfully I was watching it on the DVR. I rewound it and hit record.

But they do show more HD games on STO then on WKYC so enjoy! HUH? Every Indians game on WKYC is in HD, unlike STO where only the home games are in HD. The only away games in HD this year were all on WKYC. True STO has many more games overall, but for the games scheduled it's WKYC 100% HD, while STO is only 50% or so HD.

It makes me wonder why STO can't do some away games in HD if WKYC is carrying one of the games from the series (i.e. the HD is already set-up for WKYC).

Well they televise more home games then WKYC does home and away games. WKYC only does 20 games a year, the rest are on STO and if they are home they are in HD.

I don't see the confusion......:confused:

Apologies to any females who check in here while we do a little guy talk.

Guys, has anybody else noticed that a little change in her hair style and my wife says some make up change and Melissa Mack on FOX 8 news has gone from just a "average cute" weather girl to "hot looking woman."

Hey, I'm 54 but I'm not dead.;)

Oh ya! She's a hottie:)

I noticed that Best Buy is now carrying a 5" portable LCD TV equiped with an ATSC and analog tuner. I couldn't resist the temptation, so I bought it yesterday. The built-in analog tuner is kind of crappy, but the digital tuner is decent. The attached whip antenna isn't really meant to receive the digital stations very well, but the tv performs nicely when I attach an external antenna. It's nice that digital TV is finally portable, but the downside is that the tv cannot be moved much without a break in the picture.

I noticed that Best Buy is now carrying a 5" portable LCD TV equiped with an ATSC and analog tuner. I couldn't resist the temptation, so I bought it yesterday. The built-in analog tuner is kind of crappy, but the digital tuner is decent. The attached whip antenna isn't really meant to receive the digital stations very well, but the tv performs nicely when I attach an external antenna. It's nice that digital TV is finally portable, but the downside is that the tv cannot be moved much without a break in the picture.

I suspect that the smaller cheapie tv sets aren't using the latest 5th generation ATSC tuners. Even the best tuner will never be able to completely deal with multipath, the worst enemy of ATSC-8VSB, the latest tuners have made strides towards this.

I noticed that Best Buy is now carrying a 5" portable LCD TV equiped with an ATSC and analog tuner. I couldn't resist the temptation, so I bought it yesterday. The built-in analog tuner is kind of crappy, but the digital tuner is decent. The attached whip antenna isn't really meant to receive the digital stations very well, but the tv performs nicely when I attach an external antenna. It's nice that digital TV is finally portable, but the downside is that the tv cannot be moved much without a break in the picture.

Hmmm, good take along for a Tribe and/or Browns game?:)

Has anybody heard anything about any of the Cleveland Cable providers picking up WBNX-HD? The fall season's coming fast, and I really want to see Smallville and Supernatural in HD. I've contacted Cox several times, but haven't gotten any meaningful response.

Has anybody heard anything about any of the Cleveland Cable providers picking up WBNX-HD? The fall season's coming fast, and I really want to see Smallville and Supernatural in HD. I've contacted Cox several times, but haven't gotten any meaningful response.

You would have to talk to a cable insider to get any kind of meaningful answer to that question. Trying to get that kind of information from a CSR would be a complete waste of time. I think it took over a year to get WVIZ added to TWC in Akron. The WBNX website at one time talked about providing a feed of their signal to the cable companies, way back before they even completed building their new transmitter, and that never happened. I want to see them get picked up by cable too, but luckily I can get them via OTA.

Has anybody heard anything about any of the Cleveland Cable providers picking up WBNX-HD? The fall season's coming fast, and I really want to see Smallville and Supernatural in HD. I've contacted Cox several times, but haven't gotten any meaningful response.

I agree talking to a CSR won't help, but emails may. Of course they will send back the standard "we're working on it" reply but if you keep bugging them they get p.o'd and they will actually respond, or take notice.

I'm going to send one now.

Here's what I just sent them:

WBNX has been in HD since last Spring. The new Fall season is almost here and yet you have not added it to your HD line up. What's the hang up?

And please don't send me your "standard" reply i.e. "we are negotiating with them". You said that last May when I asked.

I agree talking to a CSR won't help, but emails may. Of course they will send back the standard "we're working on it" reply but if you keep bugging them they get p.o'd and they will actually respond, or take notice.

I'm going to send one now.

Here's what I just sent them:

WBNX has been in HD since last Spring. The new Fall season is almost here and yet you have not added it to your HD line up. What's the hang up?

And please don't send me your "standard" reply i.e. "we are negotiating with them". You said that last May when I asked.

nice:)

In theory WBNX-HD would be broadcast QAM in the clear too right?

Let us know what (if) they say.

Just so you know, that 5" portable tv has a rather decent ATSC tuner. I traveled to northern Michigan today (Grayling), and it can still pick up several digitals here in the middle of nowhere. I still have to attach the silver sensor antenna, but it seems to perform equally as well as other digital tuners I've seen. The built-in whip antenna does not seem to do much, but I wouldn't expect it to do much with digital anyways.

Is this the one, Andrew?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8275993&type=product&id=1171058029451

The online check doesn't show it available at any local BB I can find...if that's wrong, I might run by a BB on the way home from work tomorrow.