Ok after reading through probably 700 posts (480 of which had to be Indians/Browns talk :) ) I have some of the answers I was looking for. But I still have a few questions:


1.) currently there is not plans for WOIO to move there channel to uhf or increase there wattage? I live in Shaker Heights in an apartment and can get every channel but WOIO and WKYC?

2.) When does WKYC plan to move is it before 2009 or do we have to wait? Will it be to uhf or vhf still?

3.) When WJW switches over will we see a decrease in signal like the other VHF channels?

It really sucks because my list of shows I watch is almost entirely on WOIO or WKYC. Almost all the major 20 cities are in uhf for digital, why are these stations still toying with vhf?

As some of you already know, D* made a huge step in their efforts to add more HD channels, with 21 new additions this morning. For those of you who are subs to D*'s competitors, this can only mean good things for the future of HD as competition is typically good for the consumer.

As more folks jump on the HD bandwagon, I felt we should have a comprehensive list to distinguish between the 5 main providers in the area. (D*, E*, TW, WOW! and at&t U-verse). I made an effort to construct an excel spreadsheet that clearly identifies which channels are available in our Cleveland market among these providers.

I hope this list serves as a helpful tool to those who consider HD to be at the top of their list of factors in deciding between providers.

*As a side note, I excluded Pay Per View HD, On-Demand HD, DSN HD and RSN HD channels not relevant to our local Cleveland market. If there is any errors or omissions, please PM me so I can correct them.

*Edit. I recently made the Excel Spreadsheet available through a dedicated web page via Google Docs. See link for the Holy Grail listing of D*, E*, TW, WOW! and at&t U-verse HD channels available in our market: HERE. (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pI9yd6lJxEOtgyXz6BaZTeg)

As some of you already know, D* made a huge step in their efforts to add more HD channels, with 21 new additions this morning. For those of you who are subs to D*'s competitors, this can only mean good things for the future of HD as competition is typically good for the consumer.

As more folks jump on the HD bandwagon, I felt we should have a comprehensive list to distinguish between the 3 main providers in the area. (D*, E* and TW). I made an effort to construct an excel spreadsheet that clearly identifies which channels are available in our Cleveland market among these providers.

I hope this list serves as a helpful tool to those who consider HD to be at the top of their list of factors in deciding between providers.

*As a side note, I excluded pay-per view and/or on-demand HD channels. If there is any errors or omissions, please PM me so I can correct them.

See attached zipped excel spreadsheet for the Holy Grail listing of D*, E* and TW HD channels available in our market.......

90502

Since I have a line of sight problem, I don't even want to look.:) But I'm sure everyone will appreciate your effort.

Be forewarned however: Rumor has it TW is going to make a move on 10/1.

Ok after reading through probably 700 posts (480 of which had to be Indians/Browns talk :) ) I have some of the answers I was looking for. But I still have a few questions:


1.) currently there is not plans for WOIO to move there channel to uhf or increase there wattage? I live in Shaker Heights in an apartment and can get every channel but WOIO and WKYC?

2.) When does WKYC plan to move is it before 2009 or do we have to wait? Will it be to uhf or vhf still?

3.) When WJW switches over will we see a decrease in signal like the other VHF channels?

It really sucks because my list of shows I watch is almost entirely on WOIO or WKYC. Almost all the major 20 cities are in uhf for digital, why are these stations still toying with vhf?

Because you are new I didn't want you to feel ignored, so welcome to this thread. So how far do you think the Tribe will go in the playoffs?:D

Seriously we're all pretty much friends here so sometimes we do go off track. Since I don't get my HD OTA I can't help you with your questions.

Be forewarned however: Rumor has it TW is going to make a move on 10/1.


What's gonna happen, Bill?

Since I have a line of sight problem, I don't even want to look.:) But I'm sure everyone will appreciate your effort.

Be forewarned however: Rumor has it TW is going to make a move on 10/1.

A little birdy also told me that D* isn't done yet either! Anyways, I will happily make addendum's to the list as additions/changes occur. Feel free to mark the post # and check back as updates occur.......

What's gonna happen, Bill?


First, a slap upside your head for calling me Bill (see sig).

From HD MM:

Originally Posted by HD MM
Time Warner is rumored to be in the process of adding more HD channels in October. No official announcement has been made, but here is a link with the scoop.....

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/24...ober/#comments

First, a slap upside your head for calling me Bill (see sig).

From HD MM:

Originally Posted by HD MM
Time Warner is rumored to be in the process of adding more HD channels in October. No official announcement has been made, but here is a link with the scoop.....

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/24...ober/#comments

That link takes you to Engadget's main page. Here's what you're looking for Hook: http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/24/time-warner-cables-new-hd-channels-in-october/

Not to give you more work, but...:)

I think you should consider adding uVerse and WOW, since in some areas they are alternatives to the other three. I know in South Euclid I've seen AT&T trucks all over the place...


As some of you already know, D* made a huge step in their efforts to add more HD channels, with 21 new additions this morning. For those of you who are subs to D*'s competitors, this can only mean good things for the future of HD as competition is typically good for the consumer.

As more folks jump on the HD bandwagon, I felt we should have a comprehensive list to distinguish between the 3 main providers in the area. (D*, E* and TW). I made an effort to construct an excel spreadsheet that clearly identifies which channels are available in our Cleveland market among these providers.

I hope this list serves as a helpful tool to those who consider HD to be at the top of their list of factors in deciding between providers.

*As a side note, I excluded pay-per view and/or on-demand HD channels. If there is any errors or omissions, please PM me so I can correct them.

See attached zipped excel spreadsheet for the Holy Grail listing of D*, E* and TW HD channels available in our market.......

90502

Not to give you more work, but...:)

I think you should consider adding uVerse and WOW, since in some areas they are alternatives to the other three. I know in South Euclid I've seen AT&T trucks all over the place...

If someone can provide me a list of which HD channels are available on those providers, I will consider a revision. Please include RSN's, locals and national HD channels as well.....

Bill,

Does TW offer the CW (WBNX-HD 55.1) in HD?

Thanks.

Bill,

Does TW offer the CW (WBNX-HD 55.1) in HD?

Thanks.

no

Post # 9752 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752) which contains the "Cleveland, OH- HD Channel List" was revised to add STO-HD to TW. An asterisk was also added next to TW to caution the variance of HD channels which is dependent on where in NE Ohio your service would be located.

Anyone find it kind of odd that Time Warner owns CNN, yet no CNN HD for the CNN HD roll out here in Northeast Ohio?

Anyone find it kind of odd that Time Warner owns CNN, yet no CNN HD for the CNN HD roll out here in Northeast Ohio?

Maybe in a week... we'll see.

If someone can provide me a list of which HD channels are available on those providers, I will consider a revision. Please include RSN's, locals and national HD channels as well.....

Here's the list for WOW: (scroll to bottom of page for the HD channels)

http://www1.wowway.com/cable/cable.aspx?ConIdent=10&RCView=Nothing

Here's the list for U-Verse:

http://www.att.com/Common/files/pdf/Cleveland_Channel_Lineup.pdf

paule123.......

Post #9752 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752)

containing "Cleveland, OH- HD Channel List by Provider" was updated to include WOW! and at&t U-verse HD channels........

HD MM - thanks for the time and effort in pulling this info together. What a great resource!

Another question that gets asked is which stations are available via clear QAM. Maybe you could highlight those in bold?

For WOW, the clear QAM HD channels are:

WKYC- NBC HD
WEWS- ABC HD
WJW- FOX HD
WOIO- CBS HD
WUAB- My Network TV HD

While not HD, other digital stations available via clear QAM are:

Weather Plus (WOIO)
Weather Now (WKYC)
The Tube (WUAB)
Music Choice (around 40 channels)

Thanks again!

Eh, I wouldn't bother keeping up with the list of clear QAMs. If the cable company has their system configured properly, they should all have the local OTA digitals in the clear, and everything else should be encrypted. Anything beyond the local digitals in the clear is a lucky bonus and shouldn't be relied upon to be there forever. They could disappear at any moment. JMHO...

Eh, I wouldn't bother keeping up with the list of clear QAMs. If the cable company has their system configured properly, they should all have the local OTA digitals in the clear, and everything else should be encrypted. Anything beyond the local digitals in the clear is a lucky bonus and shouldn't be relied upon to be there forever. They could disappear at any moment. JMHO...

I more then agree. And in my opinion HD MM did everyone a huge favor. I can understand a couple of things being requested but listing QAMS seems a bit unreasonable. Give him a break.

Eh, I wouldn't bother keeping up with the list of clear QAMs. If the cable company has their system configured properly, they should all have the local OTA digitals in the clear, and everything else should be encrypted. Anything beyond the local digitals in the clear is a lucky bonus and shouldn't be relied upon to be there forever. They could disappear at any moment. JMHO...

I more then agree. And in my opinion HD MM did everyone a huge favor. I can understand a couple of things being requested but listing QAMS seems a bit unreasonable. Give him a break.

Sorry for asking. Didn't mean to be in bad form or come across as unreasonable. I'm a little out of practice asking for help around here as the vast majority of my posts on AVS are to help others. Thought that thanking HD MM twice and acknowledging his efforts in my post/request was appropriate.

Sorry for asking. Didn't mean to be in bad form or come across as unreasonable. I'm a little out of practice asking for help around here as the vast majority of my posts on AVS are to help others. Thought that thanking HD MM twice and acknowledging his efforts in my post/request was appropriate.

Yeah, I kind of came down on you a bit hard I guess. Paule123 did a good job of answering you and I should have just stayed out of it. I like this thread and I don't want you feeling bad so my apology right back to you.

i live on da eastside of cleveland....less than 10 miles from the antenna farm

i tried extendin the rabbit ears out to as far as they can go but i can never hold the picture on wkyc. i heard most people cant get it since its on a very low frequency (61.25 MHz)

i dont have any windows by my computer so i cant put it by a window and i cant have an outdoor antenna due to living situation
It's not the low frequency that is hindering some people from getting WKYC-DT, it's the fact that you need a large antenna to properly receive the signal and outlying areas get more interference on 2 - 6 than the higher channels.

Can you get an antenna in the attic? That is the next best choice after an outdoor antenna (presuming the attic is not full of aluminum clad insulation).

Ok after reading through probably 700 posts (480 of which had to be Indians/Browns talk :) ) I have some of the answers I was looking for. But I still have a few questions:


1.) currently there is not plans for WOIO to move there channel to uhf or increase there wattage? I live in Shaker Heights in an apartment and can get every channel but WOIO and WKYC?

2.) When does WKYC plan to move is it before 2009 or do we have to wait? Will it be to uhf or vhf still?

3.) When WJW switches over will we see a decrease in signal like the other VHF channels?

It really sucks because my list of shows I watch is almost entirely on WOIO or WKYC. Almost all the major 20 cities are in uhf for digital, why are these stations still toying with vhf?

1.) WOIO wants to stay on VHF, unfortunately the "high" VHF channels are the only ones worth keeping (too much interference on 2-6 plus you need an 8' element to get ch 2). Ch 10 (WOIO's current digital frequency) has a Canadian analog station it has to protect, even after the U.S. switches off analog Canadian analogs will still be on for a few more years due to Canada's late start in the digital conversion process. There really isn't any high VHF channels free, no matter which Hi VHF channel they try there will be a nearby market with a station operating that has to be protected.

2.) WKYC will be moving to UHF ch 17 once WDLI-TV in Canton shuts down. WDLI-DT is on ch 39 and can be received well here in Parma (WDLI-17 was nearly impossible to get).

3.) Since WJW-DT will return to it's legacy ch 8 the signal should be excellent for everyone. Since there is no other ch 8 within 200 miles they will not suffer the same problems WOIO-Dt has with ch 10. I predict WJW-DT on 8 will rival WKBN-DT's coverage!

I predict WJW-DT on 8 will rival WKBN-DT's coverage!

This may very well be true. With 15.7 kW on channel 8, that's a big difference compared to what WOIO-DT is currently putting out on channel 10 at 3.5 kW.

When the analog channels go off the air, does anyone think that this will improve digital reception by minimizing interference? Will this make any drastic difference to the channels we are currently having difficulty with OTA?

CBS released their HD plans for the NFL up through Week 7.

Here's a brief outline of our beloved Brownie's and how they fared....

Week 4: Sunday, Sept. 30- Baltimore @ Cleveland, 1:00 p.m. (CBS SD) :mad:
Week 5: Sunday, Oct. 7- Cleveland @ New England, 1:00 p.m. (CBS HD) :D
Week 6: Sunday, Oct. 14- Miami @ Cleveland, 1:00 p.m. (CBS SD) :mad:
Week 7: Sunday, Oct. 21- BYE WEEK for Cleveland :p

For all other CBS covered teams please visit.....

http://www.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl

HD MM - thanks for the time and effort in pulling this info together. What a great resource!

Another question that gets asked is which stations are available via clear QAM. Maybe you could highlight those in bold?

Thanks again!

ajstan99,

Thank you for the suggestion, however I decided to keep it as is. Reason being is that this list was meant to be just that; a list of HD channels available to each provider. Chances are that if the provider of choice (applies to cable only) carries a local HD channel to begin with, it may very well also be available in the clear. The problem is that these QAM in the clear's aren't a given and shouldn't be depended on as they can disappear at any given moment.

For the rest of you who are subs to any of these providers (D*, E*, TW, Wow! or at&t U-verse) please feel free to update me as new HD channels are added. I will try to keep everything as up-to-date as possible as changes/additions are made.

Eh, I wouldn't bother keeping up with the list of clear QAMs. If the cable company has their system configured properly, they should all have the local OTA digitals in the clear, and everything else should be encrypted. Anything beyond the local digitals in the clear is a lucky bonus and shouldn't be relied upon to be there forever. They could disappear at any moment. JMHO...
That's not necessarily true. In Time Warner's case, they seem to have a policy that sends HD channels in the clear if they are part of the basic T/W package, and encrypts them if they are part of the add-on HD tier. As a result, they send a number of unencrypted channels that are NOT local, like TNTHD and Discovery HD. That doesn't seem to be a mistake.

This may very well be true. With 15.7 kW on channel 8, that's a big difference compared to what WOIO-DT is currently putting out on channel 10 at 3.5 kW.

When the analog channels go off the air, does anyone think that this will improve digital reception by minimizing interference? Will this make any drastic difference to the channels we are currently having difficulty with OTA?

When the analog stations go black that should help some. Do a Google search for "FCC white space" and read about the additional threats to DTV. If allowed, the "white spaces" (unused channels) between the stations will be used for wireless devices. It sounds simple enough until you start seeing the interference issues created. We all know how sensitive digital is to interference. It could really be a problem.

That's not necessarily true. In Time Warner's case, they seem to have a policy that sends HD channels in the clear if they are part of the basic T/W package, and encrypts them if they are part of the add-on HD tier. As a result, they send a number of unencrypted channels that are NOT local, like TNTHD and Discovery HD. That doesn't seem to be a mistake.


FACT: If anyone (with TW) is receiving anything but local tv stations in HD/DT, then those stations that are "in addition to" the local channels, could be taken away without recorse at any time.


I watch my HD via QAM right now, and I do NOT receive DiscoveryHD or TNTHD. The only HD channels I get are ABC. NBC, CBS, WUAB, FOX, and PBS. Now I do get some other digital channels, but they're not HD. My situation is the perfect example of why you can't group everyone together and say THIS is what you get via QAM. It just varies too much.

My provider told me if the channel is on their basic tier and that channel has an HD channel they provide it, and in my case that includes TNT,ESPN and ESPN2.

I received a replacement HR20-100 yesterday & got it installed. Oddly enough the D* installer had just dropped it off by my front door - worked out well for me as I'd prefer to install it myself anyway & I had a tight schedule yesterday so that made it easy. Although I think D* told him it was a morning appointment while I was expecting afternoon & thus he just dropped it off when no one was home.

The new HR20 did not have the audio dropouts of the other one. It still does not receive 3-1 (or 3-2) OTA, but does receive them via MPEG4 HD locals over the satellite so it's frankly not a big deal to me, but it seems consistent that no HR20-100's running firmware 18A receive 3-1 OTA.

Was also pleased to note that the long waited for initial rollout of more HD occurred on D* sometime yesterday. A&E, Golf Channel, Animal Planet, CNN, History Channel (I think), TBS (just in time for the playoffs), Starz and some others are now available in HD. Looked pretty good at a glance, but I didn't do an exhaustive study...

ajstan99, Thank you for the suggestion, however I decided to keep it as is.
That's cool. Appreciate all your work in pulling the info together.

The new HR20 did not have the audio dropouts of the other one. It still does not receive 3-1 (or 3-2) OTA, but does receive them via MPEG4 HD locals over the satellite so it's frankly not a big deal to me, but it seems consistent that no HR20-100's running firmware 18A receive 3-1 OTA.


That doesn't sound good for the HR20 receiving 3-1 if your 2nd unit didn't either. Our HR20s will be here on Tuesday and will be interesting to see what happens. thx for the update.

HD MM - excellent comparison list!

One note: TWC (I believe all areas) also does carry FSN Ohio HD. On the former Adelphia systems, it shares 798 with STO HD. I believe in the TWC "legacy" systems (Akron/Canton/etc.), it may have a separate channel.

HD MM - excellent comparison list!

One note: TWC (I believe all areas) also does carry FSN Ohio HD. On the former Adelphia systems, it shares 798 with STO HD. I believe in the TWC "legacy" systems (Akron/Canton/etc.), it may have a separate channel.

Excellent. Thanks for the tip. I will make the appropriate changes.

FACT: If anyone (with TW) is receiving anything but local tv stations in HD/DT, then those stations that are "in addition to" the local channels, could be taken away without recorse at any time.
Of course. They can change their policy whenever they like. There's no legal requirement for them to provide these. My only point is that they are not provided "by accident".

Emailed and received a worthy response from Pat Weed:
Thank you for your interest in our programming.

Yes, we are aware of the audio drops on the HD programming. The encoder we are using was state-of-the-art in 2003 (at a cost of $350K) when we began digital transmission. Recently, PBS began transmitting the signal to us via satellite using a slightly updated data stream. The encoder is not capable of handling the signal well, and that causes the occasional “hiccups”. We have a new encoder in the works and hope to have it in place by the end of the year. We are sorry for the inconvenience, but this digital transmission is still in its infancy. It is well worth the effort however!

Thanks again for watching PBS 45 & 49.

End of the year isn't so bad, considering we're half way through September ;)

:(Well, I have been attempting to watch "The War" on 49.1. It's been very rough trying to make it through all the audio "hiccups" when watching the HD feed. The pictures looks awesome! The audio... not so much.

Oh well. Hopefully they can get their issue fixed by the end of the year as your post indicates. PBS HD usually rebroadcasts this stuff for a while.

When I watch PBS-HD on TW via QAM, the hiccups are there on WNEO/WEAO-HD, but when I watch WVIZ-HD, the hiccups are not there.

WOW! will be carrying BTN starting this weekend:
http://www1.wowway.com/cable/cable.aspx?ConIdent=2006&RCView=Main

WOW! will be carrying BTN starting this weekend:
http://www1.wowway.com/cable/cable.aspx?ConIdent=2006&RCView=Main

Sure am glad I'm not a WOW customer. I'd hate for them to waste my money on that crap. TW does a good job wasting my money as it is.:)

WOW! will be carrying BTN starting this weekend:
http://www1.wowway.com/cable/cable.aspx?ConIdent=2006&RCView=Main

Great news terryforster. I don't see any mention of BTN being in HD through WOW! though. Let me know if or when that happens and I will add it to the list.

Sure am glad I'm not a WOW customer. I'd hate for them to waste my money on that crap. TW does a good job wasting my money as it is.:)

Well, who knows how much they're requiring per customer and your cable rates are going to go up anyway. Don't you want something for your money?

Well, who knows how much they're requiring per customer and your cable rates are going to go up anyway. Don't you want something for your money?

Absolutely. I want FXHD. USAHD. TBSHD. SCIFIHD

Big 10 Network is nowhere on my radar.

I understand everyone has different likes. I can't believe how many people want the Food Network in HD. It boggles my mind!

Different strokes for different folks.

What if Time Warner offered a new Dodgers HD channel? Would you want that??

:D

What if Time Warner offered a new Dodgers HD channel? Would you want that??

:D

That's a loaded question right now, since they have been eliminated.:o

But seriously I would like to know why other subscribers to MLB Extra Innings have access to HD games and we don't.

Good question. I know on DirecTV they've really loaded up these last few weeks. Last night they had four HD games (although one of them was the Indians blacked out). It's very likely that with their HD expansion progressing, they may offer all available HD games every day next year.

Of course, I'd like to see STO go all HD too. If Yes and NESN can do it, so can STO.

That's a loaded question right now, since they have been eliminated.:o

But seriously I would like to know why other subscribers to MLB Extra Innings have access to HD games and we don't.

I can't believe how many people want the Food Network in HD. It boggles my mind!

Different strokes for different folks.

Apparently you've never seen Everyday Italian with Giada De Laurentiis! :eek: Food-HD is the channel I miss most since switching from E* to D*. From what I hear though, the wait won't be much longer as the next HD tidal wave is coming in October!

Apparently you've never seen Everyday Italian with Giada De Laurentiis! :eek: Food-HD is the channel I miss most since switching from E* to D*. From what I hear though, the wait won't be much longer as the next HD tidal wave is coming in October!

I wouldn't even THINK of tuning in the food channel. I'll take your word that it's entertaining, but at this time of year my SP is just about full (seaon pass) and I have 3 hours a night, maybe, to watch TV.

A more cooking science and food history show that I really enjoy is Good Eats. Here's the Wiki article opening:

Good Eats is a television cooking show created and hosted by Alton Brown that airs in North America on Food Network. Likened to television science educators Mr. Wizard and Bill Nye, Brown explores the science and technique behind the cooking, the history of different foods, and the advantages of different kinds of cooking equipment. The show tends to focus on familiar dishes that can easily be made at home, and also features segments on choosing the right appliances, and getting the most out of inexpensive, multi-purpose tools. Each episode of Good Eats has a distinct theme, which is typically an ingredient or a certain cooking technique, but may also be a more general theme such as Thanksgiving, or "man food."

It's not what I would call your standard cooking show where they toss ingredients together. Alton explains why these ingredients work together with skits.

Watching Tailgate 19 this morning on WOIO - how do they manage to get that analog-ghosting-watching-with-tinfoil-on-rabbit-ears look on their DIGITAL channel ? The shots from the muni lot, inside Scorchers, and the prerecorded stuff all look terrible.

I hope the game doesn't look that bad.

3.) Since WJW-DT will return to it's legacy ch 8 the signal should be excellent for everyone. Since there is no other ch 8 within 200 miles they will not suffer the same problems WOIO-Dt has with ch 10. I predict WJW-DT on 8 will rival WKBN-DT's coverage!

WWCP out of Johnstown, PA is aiming to go back to their legacy channel 8. There will spots at the deep fringe between them that experience trouble.

WJW will have a stronger transmitter, but WWCP has a height advantage.

Ditto on that, Paul. It looked AWFUL here. It looks as bad as the last SD game did, so I don't expect the actual game to look any better.

Can we revoke WOIO's license for failure to perform?

;)

Whoa - when NFL Today went to Rich Gannon at Cleveland Browns Stadium for the game preview he was in HD !! So the equipment is there and the game is being produced in HD ... :confused: :confused:


... and at 12:55pm the NFL Today returns from commercial break in 4:3 SD and the game is in SD. Bleh.

The PQ on the Browns game is unbelievably TERRIBLE. I've never seen it this bad.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

The PQ on the Browns game is unbelievably TERRIBLE. I've never seen it this bad.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I've already shot my yearly b!tch-out email to the NFL and CBS. The NFL is the most popular sport in the country and we have to settle for this crap?!?!

During the first quarter, they finally did get the pic clearer/more in focus, but it still looks like a run-of-the-mill crappy SD pic.

I've already shot my yearly b!tch-out email to the NFL and CBS. The NFL is the most popular sport in the country and we have to settle for this crap?!?!

Looking at the game on an SD set and it seems that the video depth of modulation is a bit low compared to other channels. The program looks a little washed out.

Not trying to bash anybody here; I think this could be fixed with the twist of a screw and $0 capital outlay.

At end of game they went to Raiders/Miami which is suppose to be in HD. Not for us though. I'll bet when the Pittsburgh game starts they won't throw the switch!

Where should we send an e-mail to CBS to voice our displeasure about this? Thanks!

Congratulations goes out to the Central Division Champion; Cleveland Indians, as they close out their spectacular regular season and look forward to a promising entry into the upcoming MLB playoffs.

Here is a tentative TV schedule for the Tribe and the Yankees. Start times are to be determined, but an ideal eastern primetime schedule can be expected due to our media darling opponents; The New York Yankees. All first round games are expected to be available on TBS-HD.

Game 1: Yankees at Indians- Thurs., Oct. 4- TBS
Game 2: Yankees at Indians- Fri., Oct. 5- TBS
Game 3: Indians at Yankees- Sun., Oct. 7- TBS/TNT
Game 4: (if necessary) Indians at Yankees- Mon., Oct. 8- TBS
Game 5: (if necessary) Yankees at Indians- Wed., Oct. 10- TBS

For the rest of the MLB, please follow this link (http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps_07.jsp) to view the rest of the postseason schedule.

Well, will TW implement TBS-HD into their line-up in the next couple days?
Hmmmm? :)

Well, will TW implement TBS-HD into their line-up in the next couple days?
Hmmmm? :)

Probably because I'm going out of town.:D

I read at least one article out of New York that TWC had reached agreement to start TBS-HD starting tomorrow, but the article didn't indicate that it was nationwide.

Highlights of the Browns game were in HD on NBC's Football Night in America. So the game was produced in HD, despite what WOIO's little scrolling ticker said. :mad:

Highlights of the Browns game were in HD on NBC's Football Night in America. So the game was produced in HD, despite what WOIO's little scrolling ticker said. :mad:

I don't believe so. For one thing it wasn't scheduled to be HD per CBS, and if you watched the graphics on the Pittsburgh game it constantly menitoned "HD" throughout the game.

I, too, have been dissappointed at the poor quaity of the browns football transmission. Are they not transmitting it in HD on purpose in the local area? All the away games are in HD.

I don't believe so. For one thing it wasn't scheduled to be HD per CBS, and if you watched the graphics on the Pittsburgh game it constantly menitoned "HD" throughout the game.

I know it wasn't scheduled to be HD per CBS. Apparently they can record the thing in HD for NBC's highlights later, but they don't have the capacity to broadcast it live in HD.

It's just irritating to see pregame in HD, the highlights in HD later in the night, but watch a horrible composite upconvert for the live game. They had all the HD equipment there, but couldn't provide a decent digital transmission for the SD broadcast. It's like they connected a million dollars worth of HD all digital equipment to a $19 Radio Shack RF modulator for analog broadcast to WOIO. And it looked like more than a few Browns fans pissed on the composite cable running through the sewer. :D

I know it wasn't scheduled to be HD per CBS. Apparently they can record the thing in HD for NBC's highlights later, but they don't have the capacity to broadcast it live in HD.

It's just irritating to see pregame in HD, the highlights in HD later in the night, but watch a horrible composite upconvert for the live game. They had all the HD equipment there, but couldn't provide a decent digital transmission for the SD broadcast. It's like they connected a million dollars worth of HD all digital equipment to a $19 Radio Shack RF modulator for analog broadcast to WOIO. And it looked like more than a few Browns fans pissed on the composite cable running through the sewer. :D

Funny thing is, I actually do have a $19 Radio Shack RF modulator hooked up to the tv in my kids playroom. Most of the time, the picture produced through that setup looks wayyyy better than the Browns game did :). Of course mine isn't running through the sewer though :D.

WKYC Browns Tonight is showing a bunch of 480p widescreen coverage of the game. Looks like mostly sideline/ground level coverage. Looks like they do their own coverage and don't use the CBS video?

FWIW, ESPN SportsCenter had the Browns game highlights in that crappy composite SD video. So I guess they didn't pay as much as NBC Football Night in America who had the highlights in HD. :D

TBS HD was added this morning to our lineup in Northeast Ohio (TW).

rich490
Where are you located? I am hoping TWC in Mentor has TBS HD by Thursday for the the Tribe/Yankee serieis. I am going to be at the first game but I have no tickets for any other games.
Ray

TBS HD was added this morning to our lineup in Northeast Ohio (TW).

And which lineup is that? We're not seeing it here.

And since your login has no indication of where you live...

Please, folks, don't just say "TW has added it". TWC has at least three separate major systems in this region. "Here" for me is the former Adelphia/Cleveland system, and there's also the long-time Akron/Canton system that has a different lineup. And then, there's the ex-Comcast folks...

I live in New Philadelphia. Our system was acquired from Adelphia last year.

I'm out here in Lorain County which is a ex-Comcast system, and I found
TBS-HD this morning on ch-250.

Hope this helps,
Ben Music

Hookbill, can you confirm a TBS-HD addition to TW's Eastside coverage area?

I, too, have been dissappointed at the poor quaity of the browns football transmission. Are they not transmitting it in HD on purpose in the local area? All the away games are in HD.

Last week's Oakland game was not in HD. All AFC, except two, are broadcast in HD each week. Unfortunately, Browns are at the bottom of the ladder for national interest unless they are playing a team that generates a lot of interest (e.g., Patriots next week).

I've read that they still have some kind of capacity issue (amount of equipment or satellite, forget which) this year; but as of next year all NFL games will be available in HD.

I live in Stow (on the Akron channel lineup I believe), and I have 2 TWC boxes. One is the SA8300HD, and one is just a regular digital (non-HD) converter box. On my regular digital box, I am showing that I get TBS-HD on channel 546. However, on my SA8300HD, the channel does not appear on the guide and if I try to tune it in manually, I just get flashing question marks where it shows the channel being entered. I assume that they are just getting it up and running now, but I thought that was a little strange.

EDIT::: I just rebooted my HD box and now I am getting TBS-HD. Lucky for us, it is showing a movie in the same lovely stretch-o-vision as TNT-HD. Oh well, they can show whatever they want as long as we are getting the Indians playoff games in HD.

I think I know why WOIO has been making a big deal about games not in HD from CBS. I happened to listen to Tony Rizzo on WKNR and they were making a big deal about the Browns not being in HD.

I think I know why WOIO has been making a big deal about games not in HD from CBS. I happened to listen to Tony Rizzo on WKNR and they were making a big deal about the Browns not being in HD.

That and I'm sure WOIO receives a ton of calls each week complaing, especially since every other NFL game is broadcast in HD. (NBC, FOX, ESPN)......

I bet they can't wait till next season when CBS promises "all" games to be in HD. Now if they can start getting to work on Dolby Digital 5.1.......... but that's another thing.

Is anybody getting TBS-HD via TWC QAM (SE Side) by any chance? THAT would be awesome, otherwise I don't get to watch the Tribe... :(

Last week's Oakland game was not in HD. All AFC, except two, are broadcast in HD each week. Unfortunately, Browns are at the bottom of the ladder for national interest unless they are playing a team that generates a lot of interest (e.g., Patriots next week).

I've read that they still have some kind of capacity issue (amount of equipment or satellite, forget which) this year; but as of next year all NFL games will be available in HD.

Over in yesterday's CBS NFL thread it was explained that CBS doesn't have enough "master control rooms" to do more than 5 games in HD on a doubleheader day, and 6 games in HD on a non-doubleheader day.

Oh, and no TBS-HD here on WOW cable. :(

Is anybody getting TBS-HD via TWC QAM (SE Side) by any chance? THAT would be awesome, otherwise I don't get to watch the Tribe... :(

I am in Canton and am not getting it via QAM. I was hoping for a long shot as well. However I do get TBS-SD via QAM, so that's better than having to go watch all the games elsewhere. I have no idea though if TBS-HD has even made it's way into the TW system here at all yet.

Hey guys, for those of you who do have TBS-HD... Padres vs. Rockies is on tonight. There can be only one!

I am in Canton and am not getting it via QAM. I was hoping for a long shot as well. However I do get TBS-SD via QAM...

What tier are you subscribed to? Lifeline or Extended Basic or ...?

I saw TBS-HD this morning on channel 546 on TWC (near Kent). It was also on 560 I beleive. When I tuned into it, it looked like it was an SD upconvert. Maybe it was just the programming, a movie was on I think. They may have been still implementing it, because there shouldnt be 2 channels that say "TBS-HD".

I am in Canton and am not getting it via QAM. I was hoping for a long shot as well. However I do get TBS-SD via QAM, so that's better than having to go watch all the games elsewhere. I have no idea though if TBS-HD has even made it's way into the TW system here at all yet.

Well you are a step above me if you are getting tbs via QAM. I have lifeline so I do not get tbs period.

I haven't been home to check Ch 43.2 (The Tube). But this is now posted on their website at http://www.thetubetv.com/ :

Dear friend of THE TUBE Music Network,

We regret to inform you of the fate that has befallen The Tube Music Network. October 1, 2007 The Tube ceased its national broadcast.

Viewers, Artists, Music Companies, Investors, Business Partners, TV stations, Cable companies, Advertisers , Friends and our creative partners @Radical Media - your support of The Tube has always been highly valued and appreciated. The collective efforts of this team, fueled by the letters we received from viewers, sustained THE TUBE as it struggled through the financial limitations that ultimately contributed to its incapacitated state.

Thank you for inviting The Tube Music Network into your life.

Sincerely,

The Tube Music Network staff


I actually watched The Tube quite a bit. It was nice to have this on as background music while doing other things. They had a nice mix of older/newer stuff.......

I wonder what WUAB will put on in its place?

I haven't been home to check Ch 43.2 (The Tube). But this is now posted on their website at http://www.thetubetv.com/ :

Dear friend of THE TUBE Music Network,

We regret to inform you of the fate that has befallen The Tube Music Network. October 1, 2007 The Tube ceased its national broadcast.

Viewers, Artists, Music Companies, Investors, Business Partners, TV stations, Cable companies, Advertisers , Friends and our creative partners @Radical Media - your support of The Tube has always been highly valued and appreciated. The collective efforts of this team, fueled by the letters we received from viewers, sustained THE TUBE as it struggled through the financial limitations that ultimately contributed to its incapacitated state.

Thank you for inviting The Tube Music Network into your life.

Sincerely,

The Tube Music Network staff


I actually watched The Tube quite a bit. It was nice to have this on as background music while doing other things. They had a nice mix of older/newer stuff.......

I wonder what WUAB will put on in its place?


Yes. There is a message on the screen when you tune to the channel where The Tube was on. Noticed it this morning.

I haven't been home to check Ch 43.2 (The Tube). But this is now posted on their website at http://www.thetubetv.com/ :

Dear friend of THE TUBE Music Network,

We regret to inform you of the fate that has befallen The Tube Music Network. October 1, 2007 The Tube ceased its national broadcast.

Viewers, Artists, Music Companies, Investors, Business Partners, TV stations, Cable companies, Advertisers , Friends and our creative partners @Radical Media - your support of The Tube has always been highly valued and appreciated. The collective efforts of this team, fueled by the letters we received from viewers, sustained THE TUBE as it struggled through the financial limitations that ultimately contributed to its incapacitated state.

Thank you for inviting The Tube Music Network into your life.

Sincerely,

The Tube Music Network staff


I actually watched The Tube quite a bit. It was nice to have this on as background music while doing other things. They had a nice mix of older/newer stuff.......

I wonder what WUAB will put on in its place?


Did they really think this was going to work? For the first few months (or hell maybe it was a year), the poor thing had almost no bandwidth allocated to it and the picture was completely unwatchable. Not to mention about .001 percent of the Cleveland population had OTA DTV tuners.

As far as background music, there's like 30 channels of Music Choice most people get with their cable. D* has XM Radio included in their midlevel packages. D* is about to launch MHD, MTV HD, etc. Plenty of way better options for music, than "The Tube"

As far as background music, there's like 30 channels of Music Choice most people get with their cable. D* has XM Radio included in their midlevel packages. D* is about to launch MHD, MTV HD, etc. Plenty of way better options for music, than "The Tube"

I'll agree with you on XM/Music Choice/Sirius, but MHD and MTV HD? They don't play music let alone a variety :)

Sure the picture wasn't that great, but they did have a very wide selection of music which was nice.

I just sent an email to local TWC folks, inquiring as to the status of more HD programming. I am in Aurora, which was formerly Adelphia. It will be interesting to see their reply. I will post any news that I recieve... :)

Game times for the Indians/Yankees ALDS have been announced:

Game 1 October 4 HOME GAME 1 JACOBS FIELD TBS 6:30PM
LHP C.C. Sabathia vs. RHP Chien-Ming Wang

Game 2 October 5 HOME GAME 2 JACOBS FIELD TBS 5:00PM
RHP Fausto Carmona vs. LHP Andy Pettitte

Game 3 October 7 YANKEE STADIUM TBS 6:30PM
RHP Jake Westbrook vs. TBD

*Game 4 October 8 YANKEE STADIUM TBS 6:00PM
RHP Paul Byrd vs. TBD

*Game 5 October 10 HOME GAME 3 JACOBS FIELD TBS 5:00PM
LHP C.C. Sabathia vs. TBD *if necessary

It's seems to me that this would be the perfect time for TWC to add
WBNX-HD, to replace the Tube spot. We should start some kind of
petition or e-mail blitz to get them moving on this.

Ben Music

Watching Tailgate 19 this morning on WOIO - how do they manage to get that analog-ghosting-watching-with-tinfoil-on-rabbit-ears look on their DIGITAL channel ? The shots from the muni lot, inside Scorchers, and the prerecorded stuff all look terrible.

I hope the game doesn't look that bad.

I believe the ghosting you see is from their remote truck link back to the station. That equipment is still analog so ghosting is possible. I see the same thing all the time on WEWS news during live shots, especially ones that originate downtown (when reporters stand outside the Justice Center). They use an analog microwave signal that is prone to multipath from all the tall buildings.

It's seems to me that this would be the perfect time for TWC to add
WBNX-HD, to replace the Tube spot. We should start some kind of
petition or e-mail blitz to get them moving on this.

Ben Music

Heh, it's sad that we have to beg for one more HD channel. TWC and WOW will need to add about 40 HD channels by year's end, or DirecTV (and U-Verse) is going to eat both of them for lunch.

Heh, it's sad that we have to beg for one more HD channel.

Huh? You just GOT another HD channel... WTBS-HD. And without even asking, much less begging!

Huh? You just GOT another HD channel... WTBS-HD. And without even asking, much less begging!

No TBS-HD on WOW cable yet.

Much of TBS's current programming is old sitcoms that haven't been converted to HD, so you're going to see a lot of upconverting. During the weekend they were showing some movies that were in HD...


I saw TBS-HD this morning on channel 546 on TWC (near Kent). It was also on 560 I beleive. When I tuned into it, it looked like it was an SD upconvert. Maybe it was just the programming, a movie was on I think. They may have been still implementing it, because there shouldnt be 2 channels that say "TBS-HD".

TBS-HD is on, with the NL Wildcard One Game Playoff, on TWC Cleveland 778.

Post #9752 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752) was updated to add TBS-HD to TW's HD list.

TW is now matching WoW! with 21 HD offerings.

As of now, locally, the only options in seeing the first round of the MLB Playoffs on TBS-HD would be through providers D* or TW.

Quick Browns Update:
At NE 10/7, Vs. Mia 10/14, at Pitt 11/11 confirmed HD Broadcasts.
Probable HD: Seattle on 11/4.

Finally some HD love.

Go tribe!

Quick Browns Update:
At NE 10/7, Vs. Mia 10/14, at Pitt 11/11 confirmed HD Broadcasts.
Probable HD: Seattle on 11/4.

Finally some HD love.

Go tribe!

Where did you hear that? Link?

I already posted the CBS-HD games through week 7 and the only Brown's game confirmed to be in HD was this week's (Week 5) game at NE. Week 6 against Miami was designated as a SD game and Week 7 is a bye.

See link here:


http://www.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl (http://www.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl)

Seattle is a Fox game, so is likely to be in HD.

Seattle is a Fox game, so is likely to be in HD.

Yeah, it's a given all NFC games will be on Fox and subsequently in HD, but he said the Miami game on 10/14 and Pitt game on 11/11 was to be in HD. That's the part that I'm unsure of.......

Did any of you happen to watch College Football on ABC last Saturday? Anyone continue to notice the ever growing problem with ABC's HD feed?.....

The problem that I'm referring to is the stuttering of the HD cameras. It almost seems as if the cameras can't keep up with the action or something as the picture doesn't flow smooth and instead sputters through motion. If you haven't seen this, it is really indescribable. I find this very annoying and as a result try to avoid College Football on ABC-HD because of this.

I posed this question to a viewer on the west-cost and he didn't see the same flaw. Is it possible that this is a local issue?

For the record I am viewing ABC-HD through D*'s HR20. I have also noticed this when I used to be an E* sub, running the OTA through my ViP622.

Did any of you happen to watch College Football on ABC last Saturday? Anyone continue to notice the ever growing problem with ABC's HD feed?.....

The problem that I'm referring to is the stuttering of the HD cameras. It almost seems as if the cameras can't keep up with the action or something as the picture doesn't flow smooth and instead sputters through motion. If you haven't seen this, it is really indescribable. I find this very annoying and as a result try to avoid College Football on ABC-HD because of this.

I posed this question to a viewer on the west-cost and he didn't see the same flaw. Is it possible that this is a local issue?

For the record I am viewing ABC-HD through D*'s HR20. I have also noticed this when I used to be an E* sub, running the OTA through my ViP622.

I remember seeing that last week during a football game. Can't remember if it was Sat or Sun or which game. The pic looked good until there was fast motion then the pic would get blurry during the motion. I'm watching on TW in Canton.

Where did you hear that? Link?

I already posted the CBS-HD games through week 7 and the only Brown's game confirmed to be in HD was this week's (Week 5) game at NE. Week 6 against Miami was designated as a SD game and Week 7 is a bye.

See link here:


http://www.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl (http://www.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl)

Hmmm.

Seems to be a conflict between CBS and HDSports Guide. According to HDSports Guide, the Oct. 14th game is to be in HD. CBS still hasn't declared it an HD game though.

See link here:

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/

Yeah, it's a given all NFC games will be on Fox and subsequently in HD, but he said the Miami game on 10/14 and Pitt game on 11/11 was to be in HD. That's the part that I'm unsure of.......

not all fox games are in HD

not all fox games are in HD

I've read somewhere that all anti-conference games (ie. NFC vs. AFC) will be on Fox and subsequently in HD. I can't remember seeing a non-HD NFL game in quite some time.......

I wonder if Cox-Cleveland will show the Indians play-off games in HD on one of their unused HD channels? (STO & FoxHD)

I've read somewhere that all anti-conference games (ie. NFC vs. AFC) will be on Fox and subsequently in HD. I can't remember seeing a non-HD NFL game in quite some time.......
re: "anti-conference" games
What governs which network carries inter-conference games is the AWAY TEAM's network. i.e if an NFC team plays the Browns in Cleveland it will be carried by FOX, OTOH if the Browns travel to an NFC team's stadium that game will be on CBS.

So the statement "all anti-conference games will be on FOX" is not a true statement. When the Browns play the Giants is that an away game? If so it will be on CBS.

I wonder if Cox-Cleveland will show the Indians play-off games in HD on one of their unused HD channels? (STO & FoxHD)
I'd called and asked one of their CSR's. She said they hadn't received any information on it. Which, of course, really could mean anything. :confused:

For those of you who live on the east-side and don't have access to the Tribe games in HD, The Boneyard in Mayfield Hts is a great place to watch a game. Not to mention they have 7 huge projection screens with the main one being over 20' diagonal! They have a D* feed to all of the HD projectors, so TBS-HD and the Tribe will surely be shown......

For those of you who care, I posted a week or two back concerning a problem with my local OTA HD stations via Dish Network's VIP622 (my antenna was plugged into the back of the unit and suddenly stopped finding all local HD content after nine months of working fine). The helpful people who use this forum gave a couple of great suggestions. It turned out that the ATSC tuner in my VIP622 was broke.

Here's where the story gets interesting (at least to me): After spending an hour and half on the phone with Dish Networks' "customer service," I was finally able to get a new VIP622 sent to me free of charge. But at first they claimed the problem was OTA and they had no responsibility to send me a new receiver (this was after I explained that I had bought a new antenna and was having the same problem with the new antenna). I asked them why they have an input on the back of THEIR receiver that says, "Local OTA Antenna" if they didn't take any responsibility for OTA problems with their receiver. They couldn't quite answer that, but instead tried to convince me that I was doing something wrong. I told them several times that when I plugged the antenna into the TV, it worked fine. As soon as it was plugged into the VIP receiver it did not work.

Finally, about an hour into the call, they said that they would send me a new receiver but that I would have to pay the shipping since the 3 month (!) warranty had expired. First off, what the...? A 3 month warranty??? How can you call 3 months a warranty? Its more like a return policy. Anyway, of course they only offered overnight or two day delivery so I would have to pay a minimum of $15 for this "convenience." I told them to ship it UPS Ground and the supervisor I was speaking to managed to say (without laughting) that their shipping department couldn't ship UPS Ground only two-day or overnight. Well, I flatly refused to pay for anything since the VIP receiver had only lasted 9 months. After another half-hour of negotiating, I finally convinced the third person I spoke with that loosing a $1000 per year customer wasn't worth the $15 charge they were trying to make me pay for shipping.

Sorry, I just needed to vent and get that off my chest. Unbelievable that these companies can stay in business with customer service like that.

In conclusion, I wanted to thank those on this forum that pointed a newbie in the right direction. It was much appreciated. I am now able to get local HD stations once again through my VIP622 receiver.

Regards,
Scott

Also, I spoke with a Dish Network represenative that indicated that they had no plans to offer TBS for the Major League Baseball Division Series...


Regards,
Scott

I've been a Dish Network customer for 10 years. My current receiver is the buggy old DVR921. It had a 1 year warranty, however the tech dept. never hesitated in extending the warranty. I'm on my 10th 921 and there is still problems. I believe it's the current software version. The software version that was in use last year (L278) worked great. Ten the change in the start date for Daylight Savings Time happened so new software (L330) was pushed to the receiver. Some customers had new bugs so tey quickly rolled out L331. Some still had problems so one more time they did a quick change to the current L332. Now this is when my problems began. L332 is still the current s/w version and I have to do reboots every day (sometimes the 921 reboots itself). I had several replacements all with L332. Every one of them started experiencing the same bugs within 24-48 hours after installation.

I don't want the 622 or 722 yet because I do not yet have an HD set to hook it to, the newest MPEG4 receivers come with a $6 "HD enabling fee" for anyone not subbing to the HD channels (why should I my TV is SD). I got the 921 to "future proof" my set-up. Silly me. At the time the 921 came out there were knowledgeable posters on the DBS sites who said MPEG 4 would not work in real time. I drank that kool aid :( now I'm stuck with an obsolete, buggy box.

Huh? You just GOT another HD channel... WTBS-HD. And without even asking, much less begging!

Yet they still can't be bothered to add the local CW station (WBNX-HD) that other carriers have had for months...

Dissapointing news, guys. I'm in L.A. right now and I watched the game between San Diego and Colorado on TW and it was in HD!

I was hoping to see everyone say that TW had not only added TBS but a few more stations.

Playoffs begin tomorrow. I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope you guys give me some good news.

Dissapointing news, guys. I'm in L.A. right now and I watched the game between San Diego and Colorado on TW and it was in HD!

I was hoping to see everyone say that TW had not only added TBS but a few more stations.

Playoffs begin tomorrow. I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope you guys give me some good news.

I don't know about other stations, but it has been confirmed by several posters including Inundated in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11784185&postcount=9851) that TW added TBS-HD in the Cleveland market. So at least you can take solace in being with 1 of the 2 providers in our market that actually carries TBS-HD, with the other being D*.

I've read somewhere that all anti-conference games (ie. NFC vs. AFC) will be on Fox and subsequently in HD. I can't remember seeing a non-HD NFL game in quite some time.......

Fox carries NFC away games, CBS carries AFC away games. So the only 2 games the Browns will have on Fox will be when an NFC team plays in Cleveland.

But I'll say it again, not all Fox games are in HD.

Well folks, D* has done it again. For the following Wednesday in a row, subs woke up to 11 new HD channels. Of these additions, 5 are RSN's and 3 are Premiums.

1. Comcast SportsNet Chicago HD (Channel 640)
2. Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic HD (Channel 629)
3. New England Sports Network/NESN HD(Channel 623)
4. SportsNet New York HD (Channel 625)
5. YES HD (Channel 622)
6. Cinemax East (Channel 512)
7. Cinemax West (Channel 514)
8. HBO West (Channel 504)
9. Bravo (Channel 273)
10. SciFi Channel (Channel 244)
11. USA Network (Channel 242)

Even more HD channels are expected later this month. According to the D* website, the following are still to be added later this month:

Cartoon-HD
CNBC- HD
Food- HD
Fox Business- HD
Fuel- HD
FX- HD
HGTV- HD
MGM- HD
MHD
NBA- HD
NGC- HD
Speed- HD

Also, with these additions,
post# 9752 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752) was amended to add these HD additions.

I was flipping through channels last night and noticed TBS HD was on channel 778 and a channel in the 600s. Is this happening to any one else. BTW I live in Bedford, OH, an old Adelphia system.

I know you can't add it to the list yet, but they also tested Food HD last night. Unfortunately, it didn't arrive this morning.

Just wanted to keep hookbill updated. :D

Well folks, D* has done it again. For the following Wednesday in a row, subs woke up to 11 new HD channels. Of these additions, 5 are RSN's and 3 are Premiums.

I was flipping through channels last night and noticed TBS HD was on channel 778 and a channel in the 600s. Is this happening to any one else. BTW I live in Bedford, OH, an old Adelphia system.

I checked last night and it is up in Solon....

Now, if I could only stay in town long enough to watch it!

Great faux quote in the sports pickle.... (http://www.sportspickle.com/)

Game not played in high-def

Sunday’s Browns-Ravens game disappointed many fans of both teams when CBS did not broadcast it in high-definition, but the network claims an HD broadcast was not possible because the game was not played in high-def.

“I knew something seemed a little off,” said Ravens quarterback Steve McNair. “I thought maybe I had a problem with my eyes, but I didn’t want to mention it to anyone because they already think I’m a bit of a hypochondriac.”

Browns coach Romeo Crennel says it was fitting Cleveland’s upset win was fuzzy. “When I saw what was happening on the field, I thought someone had spiked my pre-game milkshake. I thought I was drunk,” said Crennel. “But then I realized the game wasn’t in high-def. Except for Brady Quinn, of course. He always looks perfect.”

Received the new 5lnb dish and 2 HR20-100s yesterday. The ota tuner is more sensitive/stronger for UHF signals than any previous HD receiver. The bad news is neither HR20 can lock-on to 3-1 or 3-2 as seen by others. WOIO(19-1, 19-2) are fine but not WKYC. Hopefully this is something they can fix with an update.

I was flipping through channels last night and noticed TBS HD was on channel 778 and a channel in the 600s. Is this happening to any one else. BTW I live in Bedford, OH, an old Adelphia system.

I thought TWC was supposed to be adding a bunch of new HD channels on October 1. Besides WTBS-HD, has anyone noticed any new HD offerings in the Akron/Canton area ? Any available via QAM ?

I thought TWC was supposed to be adding a bunch of new HD channels on October 1. Besides WTBS-HD, has anyone noticed any new HD offerings in the Akron/Canton area ? Any available via QAM ?

According to this article the rest will be added on the 15th

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/24/time-warner-cables-new-hd-channels-in-october/

This is the e-mail reply that I recieved from TWC today about adding more HD channels:

Dear Mr. Barr:
Thank you for your email. We always appreciate the opportunity to respond to our customers.
Thank you for contacting our office regarding HDTV networks. We do anticipate in the future, when a larger group of programmers and a wider scale of programming options are available in the HDTV format, that Time Warner will be offering more HD service. Time Warner Cable would like to provide all of the HDTV signals available. We are currently negotiating with several networks and hope to have an agreement in the very near future. This HD programming is being positioned as pay programming and Time Warner Cable wants to make sure that we negotiate the best possible rate for those of our customers who want to subscribe to this. We are however, hopeful that an agreement will be reached soon. We hope to carry these new and exciting channels soon and in the meantime we hope you will enjoy all the cutting edge services such as I Control that we already offer. Should you have any further questions or concerns please do not hesitate to contact our office.
I hope that this information is helpful to you. Thank you for the opportunity to serve you. The cornerstone of our philosophy has always been to provide "excellence in customer service" and we will continue to provide the high quality of service you expect and deserve from Time Warner Cable.
Sincerely,
Aaron
Your On-Line Time Warner Cable Representative :mad:

tbs now in HD on cox cable, channel 716.

WOW sucks. TBS SD is an ok SD picture, but c'mon!!

I'm also seeing TBSHD on 600, in addition to 778. Is this a mirror of some sort? It didn't seem to affect the picture at all when "changing channels" to 600. Not even a hiccup. There's also a blank "TW609" channel in the guide at channel 609.

No other HD added. But boy, that "Tube" message looks clear on 720!

;)

WOW sucks. TBS SD is an ok SD picture, but c'mon!!

I love WOW for the great customer service and the great HD PQ that they have, but my trigger finger is ever closer to giving all my business to D*. I don't see how the cable companies can accomodate this fire hose of new HD channels without going to SDV or ditching the analogs.

One more added this morning:

MHD (MTV HD) at Channel 332


Well folks, D* has done it again. For the following Wednesday in a row, subs woke up to 11 new HD channels. Of these additions, 5 are RSN's and 3 are Premiums.

1. Comcast SportsNet Chicago HD (Channel 640)
2. Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic HD (Channel 629)
3. New England Sports Network/NESN HD(Channel 623)
4. SportsNet New York HD (Channel 625)
5. YES HD (Channel 622)
6. Cinemax East (Channel 512)
7. Cinemax West (Channel 514)
8. HBO West (Channel 504)
9. Bravo (Channel 273)
10. SciFi Channel (Channel 244)
11. USA Network (Channel 242)

One more added this morning:

MHD (MTV HD) at Channel 332

Actually, it's not a "ghost" of MTV. They have their own programming. Picture is great on some of it. I'm not into music channels; but this looks very nice and the sound is excellent. I've scheduled recording of a 6:30 joint performance by Reba and Kelly Clarkson.

Talking about that timeslot; luckily, D* also added TBSHD last week. So, we get the Indians in HD tonight.

One further subject. I added an e-SATA drive (750 Gig) to my HR20 last week. Cost less than $200 and works great. Will hold over 100 hours of MPEG4 HD.

I set up the Bruce Springsteen and Dixie Chicks Storytellers shows today.

I haven't even tried to add an extra drive yet. I barely have time to watch what I'm already recording!

This is the e-mail reply that I recieved from TWC today about adding more HD channels:

Dear Mr. Barr:
Thank you for your email. We always appreciate the opportunity to respond to our customers.
Thank you for contacting our office regarding HDTV networks. We do anticipate in the future, when a larger group of programmers and a wider scale of programming options are available in the HDTV format, that Time Warner will be offering more HD service. Time Warner Cable would like to provide all of the HDTV signals available. We are currently negotiating with several networks and hope to have an agreement in the very near future. This HD programming is being positioned as pay programming and Time Warner Cable wants to make sure that we negotiate the best possible rate for those of our customers who want to subscribe to this. We are however, hopeful that an agreement will be reached soon. We hope to carry these new and exciting channels soon and in the meantime we hope you will enjoy all the cutting edge services such as I Control that we already offer. Should you have any further questions or concerns please do not hesitate to contact our office.
I hope that this information is helpful to you. Thank you for the opportunity to serve you. The cornerstone of our philosophy has always been to provide "excellence in customer service" and we will continue to provide the high quality of service you expect and deserve from Time Warner Cable.
Sincerely,
Aaron
Your On-Line Time Warner Cable Representative :mad:


My guess is that this is a canned response and probably has nothing to do with the new HD channels that are supposed to be arriving in the next two weeks (on the 15th). It actually sounds like a response given to a friend in regards to a Big-Ten HD network inquiry. The issue with that contract is that TW wanted to make it a pay channel and Big Ten said their network could not be a single pay channel. TW asked them to lower the price in that case but Big Ten would not do so. I'm guessing they were ok with it being included in the $5 HD package (or whatever it is they charge for the HD tier now) but TW wanted it to be an extra charge outside of that tier.

Anyway, this is just a guess about this e-mail but I sure hope I'm right. It doesn't make any sense in the context of the 5 new HD channels to say "when a larger group of programmers and a wider scale of programming options are available in the HDTV format". It does makes sense if they are talking about just the Big Ten network but 5 channels added would definitely be a larger group of programmers offering HD content.

I guess we'll see!! Keep yer fingers crossed!

Great faux quote in the sports pickle.... (http://www.sportspickle.com/)

Game not played in high-def

Sunday’s Browns-Ravens game disappointed many fans of both teams when CBS did not broadcast it in high-definition, but the network claims an HD broadcast was not possible because the game was not played in high-def.

“I knew something seemed a little off,” said Ravens quarterback Steve McNair. “I thought maybe I had a problem with my eyes, but I didn’t want to mention it to anyone because they already think I’m a bit of a hypochondriac.”

Browns coach Romeo Crennel says it was fitting Cleveland’s upset win was fuzzy. “When I saw what was happening on the field, I thought someone had spiked my pre-game milkshake. I thought I was drunk,” said Crennel. “But then I realized the game wasn’t in high-def. Except for Brady Quinn, of course. He always looks perfect.”

I hope this doesn't happen to the Indians, I've got tickets for tonight's game. They are playing the Yankees, so it should be OK... ;)

....the new HD channels that are supposed to be arriving in the next two weeks (on the 15th)....

Do we know what the new channels are yet?


Thanks.

TBS HD, The History Channel HD, CNN HD, Lifetime Movies HD, and Food Network HD. TBS-HD was scheduled to arrive Oct. 1st and it did. Let's hope the rest arrive on the 15th as reported.

TBS-HD was scheduled to arrive Oct. 1st and it did.

Unfortunately, the channel is showing SD programs in "sports-bar" (i.e., stretched) mode, which is an atrocity whose only possible purpose is to fill every available pixel of a 16:9 screen, even if the image looks bizarre.

The TBS-HD problem isn't TWC's fault--but what about the so-called HD version of WUAB, which has yet to show a hi-rez program?

One more added this morning:

MHD (MTV HD) at Channel 332

Thanks,

HD List Updated (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752)

Unfortunately, the channel is showing SD programs in "sports-bar" (i.e., stretched) mode, which is an atrocity whose only possible purpose is to fill every available pixel of a 16:9 screen, even if the image looks bizarre.

The TBS-HD problem isn't TWC's fault--but what about the so-called HD version of WUAB, which has yet to show a hi-rez program?

Yeah I noticed most of their programming looks stretched and pretty bad. The baseball game last night however looked very good I thought even on my 106" screen....and really...that's all I care about as far as this channel goes. The Tribe game will look good. If they show nice HD sporting events I'm fine with it. We'll have to see if any of their other content is worth watching or not.

Unfortunately, the channel is showing SD programs in "sports-bar" (i.e., stretched) mode, which is an atrocity whose only possible purpose is to fill every available pixel of a 16:9 screen, even if the image looks bizarre.

The TBS-HD problem isn't TWC's fault--but what about the so-called HD version of WUAB, which has yet to show a hi-rez program?

It's worse than that. If they just stretched it, my TV could squeeze it again. They actually stretch the sides more than the center, and there is no way to correct that.

Why don't they just leave the aspect ratio alone, and let people stretch it on their own TV if they want?

Is anyone getting WTBS-HD on QAM fromTime Warner Cable ? The regular digital feed of WTBS is available on QAM but the HD version is probably scrambled I'm guessing.

Where are you, and what TWC channel are you getting it on via QAM?

Where are you, and what TWC channel are you getting it on via QAM?

Canton and I think it comes in on 94-31.

Does anyone know for sure???

Watching the TRIBE beat the YANKS on Channel 20 is less than satisfying.
Dying to get the HD Feed...

Thanks!!

TRIBE SPANKS the bombers !!! Loved every minute of it!

Now I hated watching that stupid scrolling add across the bottom of the screen on TBS-SD. Laughable that in the same phrase it says that TW is the home of FREE HD, but of course you have to PAY for their expensive expanded monthly service AND pay for thier HD cable box to get the FREE TBS-HD.

I was in the Club Lounge at the Jake tonight and noticed TBS was 16:9 but sure didn't look HD on the plasmas in there. Looked like 480p widescreen, I could see interlacing artifacts. They were playing the WTAM audio instead of TBS audio. Anybody know what was the deal on that?

Any opinions on D* MPEG4 TBS-HD PQ vs. STO ?

I say STO wins... This Cubs/DBacks game looks a bit soft on 247.

Oh, and by the way my daily playoffs reminder -- WIDE OPEN WEST DOES NOT HAVE TBS-HD.

TW feed of the game on TBS HD was very good quality

I was in the Club Lounge at the Jake tonight and noticed TBS was 16:9 but sure didn't look HD on the plasmas in there. Looked like 480p widescreen, I could see interlacing artifacts. They were playing the WTAM audio instead of TBS audio. Anybody know what was the deal on that?

Any opinions on D* MPEG4 TBS-HD PQ vs. STO ?

I say STO wins... This Cubs/DBacks game looks a bit soft on 247.

Oh, and by the way my daily playoffs reminder -- WIDE OPEN WEST DOES NOT HAVE TBS-HD.

I thought the game on TBS-HD looked excellent. No noticeable artifacts. The only thing that annoyed me was the constant plugs for "Frank TV".

Viewed on a 92" screen through a 720p projector via D* MPEG 4 feed.

Go Tribe!

Real dumb question. Why no Tribe game OTA? I had to turn on the radio, one of those old timer things.
JJK

I was at the game too. Me and three friends got in on a luxury suite with a larger group of fans. It was great except for the fact that some Yankee fans from NY were two suites over. We had fun with them all game but they took it in stride and still think NY has a chance. Ignorance is bliss.

I belive the feed at Jacobs field is a closed circuit production for Luxury suites, Club seats, and conssesion stands. They probably do not yet have the capability to produce in HD.

Ray

Not the first time. ESPN used to have rights to playoff games and they weren't shown OTA either. This is the first time that NONE of the first round games haven't been shown OTA though (Fox used to show first round games).


Real dumb question. Why no Tribe game OTA? I had to turn on the radio, one of those old timer things.
JJK

Real dumb question. Why no Tribe game OTA? I had to turn on the radio, one of those old timer things.
JJK

I was wondering if a local would pick it up or not off the air too. I seem to remember football games being picked up locally when the Borwns were on ESPN years ago. Perhaps they feel a large enough number of homes have cable or satallite its not worth it.

Ray

I was in the Club Lounge at the Jake tonight and noticed TBS was 16:9 but sure didn't look HD on the plasmas in there. Looked like 480p widescreen, I could see interlacing artifacts. They were playing the WTAM audio instead of TBS audio. Anybody know what was the deal on that?

Any opinions on D* MPEG4 TBS-HD PQ vs. STO ?

I say STO wins... This Cubs/DBacks game looks a bit soft on 247.

Oh, and by the way my daily playoffs reminder -- WIDE OPEN WEST DOES NOT HAVE TBS-HD.
Hard to say what feed they were using or what the display was doing. It's possible they weren't feeding 1080i or that the signal was getting distributed too far and too much. My TBS-HD on TW looked every bit as good as STO...if not better. I found it to be razor sharp, colorful and I saw no interlacing artifacts. Looked great on a 51" Sony CRT based TV, 106" screen w/720p LCD projector, and 37" 1080p LCD. :) Thought the same of the Cubs/DBack game as well, although I will say the feed did look slightly softer than that tribe game yet still looked excellent. So many factors that could come into play with that one as well.

I have a question. My cable system was an ex-Adelphia system acquired last year by TWC. We have recently been upgraded to the SDV and have acquired some new HD channels, (CBS-HD, Fox-HD, ESPN2, On-Demand, etc). We do not yet receive Fox Sports HD or Sports Time Ohio-HD). Does the rest of TWC NEO receive them?

Thanks

My cable system was an ex-Adelphia system acquired last year by TWC. We have recently been upgraded to the SDV and have acquired some new HD channels, (CBS-HD, Fox-HD, ESPN2, On-Demand, etc).

HD MM has done a great job putting the current HD list together for our local providers. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752

This is the first I have heard of SDV in our area. As a TiVo user, I have been dreading this news. Can anyone who uses a TiVo Series3/HD or other CableCard device chime in on whether or not you can tune into TBSHD on TWC?

I have a question. My cable system was an ex-Adelphia system acquired last year by TWC. We have recently been upgraded to the SDV and have acquired some new HD channels, (CBS-HD, Fox-HD, ESPN2, On-Demand, etc). We do not yet receive Fox Sports HD or Sports Time Ohio-HD). Does the rest of TWC NEO receive them?

Thanks

Yeah, I'm TWC NEO and we get STO-HD. We don't get Fox Sports HD.

Yeah, I'm TWC NEO and we get STO-HD. We don't get Fox Sports HD.

That is contradicting other reports. Apparently in some TW markets, FSN-OH HD shares channel 798 with STO-HD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11750570&postcount=9786

When I turn to 798, I either see a blue screen that says when the next 'special' event will be (usually a Cavs or Indians game) or I see a Cavs or Indians game. I guess it's just considered a special sports event HD channel and I forgot that the Cavs broadcast is technically Fox Sport HD and Tribe games are STO. STO does have some additional programming from time to time after the Indians games such as 'All Bets Are Off' with Bruce Drennan, but I don't recall seeing much Fox Sports HD programming outside of the Cavs. Maybe they had a Bluejackets game too but I can't recall. So it's not like it's Fox for a certain percentage and STO for another...they just show the games on 798 for the Cavs and Indians via their respective networks.

Rick's initial question seemed like he was asking if there were two separate channels so that's where my thought was on only getting STO. I guess if it was Cavs season I would have said we only get Fox HD and not STO. ha! ;) For sure it's not two separate channels, so in reality, the question is, do we get that one channel and the answer is yes.

Thanks. My main reason asking was I'm interested in Cavs Hd and Indians Hd. A shared channel would work just fine.

I was at the game too. Me and three friends got in on a luxury suite with a larger group of fans. It was great except for the fact that some Yankee fans from NY were two suites over. We had fun with them all game but they took it in stride and still think NY has a chance. Ignorance is bliss.

I belive the feed at Jacobs field is a closed circuit production for Luxury suites, Club seats, and conssesion stands. They probably do not yet have the capability to produce in HD.

Ray

Yes, it's a special closed-circuit feed. They don't produce in HD yet internally but they can normally insert HD feeds from other sources. They were having an issue which limited them to showing an SD feed of the broadcast.

Not that anyone was watching it, but tonight on Fox Sports Net HD Ohio was a HD Columbus Hockey Game. From time to time FSN HD plays something, but it's never listed on the Cox Program Guide.

I've seen FSN Ohio do the Bluejackets in HD, and TWC's 798 "HD Bonus" channel has carried them. If they did tonight, I missed it.

798 can be either STO-HD or FSN Ohio-HD, depending on what TWC pumps through. I believe in the Akron/Canton "legacy" TWC markets, both channels have their own positions, though I'm pretty sure they don't upconvert non-HD programming on those HD channels.

And to further confuse EVERYONE, STO lives in another digital place on TWC/former Adelphia systems out of Cleveland - 179! That channel runs 24/7, as does analog 17, but 179 is only SD digital.

FYI, Dish Network carried last night's baseball playoffs in HD mapped down to channel 139 HD, next to 139 SD. I also read that the HD feed is also temporarily on channel 542, and as of 10/10/07 will be on 9499.

Was this just my system or did anybody else notice all the glitching in the TBS feed from the Jake during both ALDS games? I had audio dropouts and video jitters. I have E* and was watching the SD feed of TBS. It only happened during the game, never during the commercials.

Was this just my system or did anybody else notice all the glitching in the TBS feed from the Jake during both ALDS games? I had audio dropouts and video jitters. I have E* and was watching the SD feed of TBS. It only happened during the game, never during the commercials.

Yes, I also noticed the same problems on the E* HD feed.

HD MM has done a great job putting the current HD list together for our local providers. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752

This is the first I have heard of SDV in our area. As a TiVo user, I have been dreading this news. Can anyone who uses a TiVo Series3/HD or other CableCard device chime in on whether or not you can tune into TBSHD on TWC?

There is no guide data but the channel is available on the S3. Just manually punch in in the station it's suppose to be on in your area. You will need to look at a non TiVo device to figure that out.

You can also go to your channel line up and peruse through there. You can check it off as an available channel. I have reported it to TiVo, suggest you do the same.

Was this just my system or did anybody else notice all the glitching in the TBS feed from the Jake during both ALDS games? I had audio dropouts and video jitters. I have E* and was watching the SD feed of TBS. It only happened during the game, never during the commercials.

I noticed that also. It seemed to be triggered by fast lateral motion such as camera pans. I think there was some bandwidth starvation going on in the backhaul feed.

STO-HD(523) and analog channels 17 and 96 are gone on Time Warner Akron. Maybe TW is freeing up bandwidth for more HD channels? Let's hope WBNX is on it's way!

STO-HD(523) and analog channels 17 and 96 are gone on Time Warner Akron. Maybe TW is freeing up bandwidth for more HD channels? Let's hope WBNX is on it's way!

17 & 96 have been gone for a while now.

17 & 96 have been gone for a while now.

I wasn't aware of that. So next year if you want the tribe it will be on 179. Which means digital, not analog so people will have to shell out money that don't have digital channels.

By the way, for HD MM's list, Dish Network just added WTBS-HD. So I guess that leaves WOW as the only local system without it.

Luckily FOX has the American League Championship Series (and the World Series) for Indians fans.

By the way, for HD MM's list, Dish Network just added WTBS-HD. So I guess that leaves WOW as the only local system without it.



Armstrong in Medina doesn't have it either.

But we did just get the 30-second skip feature activated on the Motorola DVR boxes! :p

STO-HD(523) and analog channels 17 and 96 are gone on Time Warner Akron. Maybe TW is freeing up bandwidth for more HD channels? Let's hope WBNX is on it's way!

TW better scramble to get WBNX HD channel before they start losing CW fans to AT&T. AT&T is canvasing northeast Ohio with their reps promoting the HD channels they have that Warner does not. They know the Smallville fans want to see Clark in HD. In my case I want to see Lois in HD. What a babe! See you later TW! AT&T gave me a better deal, more local HD channels and their customer service so far is big improvement over the 15 minute wait time I usually endure with TW customer service. TW is too slow to get WBNX HD on. They've been broadcasting in HD since spring, so TW has no excuse! Like I said, see ya TW and hello AT&T!

Like I said, see ya TW and hello AT&T!

Hmm. One post, sounding like basically an AT&T commercial...

You don't think...nah. I won't ask him what he does for AT&T... :)

As far as STO and TWC goes, it's still on analog 17 on the former Adephia system. Though they've "gone dark" right now with just a graphic that says "Go Tribe", and directing people to TBS to watch the game - promising a post-game show afterwards.

I happen to tune in to ABC before lights out and noticed not sound. Checked my recording of Desperate Housewives and no sound their either.

I guess I can watch through closed captioning.

As far as STO and TWC goes, it's still on analog 17 on the former Adephia system.

STO-SD(channel 76 on TW Akron)is still on the air. The HD version(523) had a STO screen when games were not HD. The whole channel is gone now, I guess since the season is over and games are at TBS and FOX now. AS for 17 and 96: both of these channels were Digital Cable preview channels, just a waste of bandwidth, especially since they were analog.

As for WBNX, thanks Time Warner for showing how PATHETIC you are! WBNX announced that their HD feed would be on cable last fall, but ti never happened. The HD OTA feed went live in April and they couldn't add it in 6 months.

I happen to tune in to ABC before lights out and noticed not sound. Checked my recording of Desperate Housewives and no sound their either.

I guess I can watch through closed captioning.

What happened? Was this tonight? I was watching the Indians, not ABC.
News Channle 5 at 11 is OK, the sound is fine.

What happened? Was this tonight? I was watching the Indians, not ABC.
News Channle 5 at 11 is OK, the sound is fine.

This turned out to be a cable card problem S3. Sorry if I worried anyone. I was able to fix the problem however the show I recorded still does not have sound.:(.

By the way, for HD MM's list, Dish Network just added WTBS-HD. So I guess that leaves WOW as the only local system without it.

Luckily FOX has the American League Championship Series (and the World Series) for Indians fans.

Sorry if this is getting repetitive, but as more HD keeps being added, I'd just like to keep everyone up to date with any changes/additions.....

Modified the list (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752) to add TBS-HD to E* and at&t U-verse. As jtscherne said, that leaves just WoW! (of the 5 local providers we're tracking) in not having access to HD playoff baseball..... errrrr TBS-HD.

[QUOTE=Inundated;11841910]Hmm. One post, sounding like basically an AT&T commercial...

You don't think...nah. I won't ask him what he does for AT&T... :)

No, I don't work for AT&T and never have or will. In fact, I used to loath them for their long distance service charges. But, now that they're providing some much needed competition for Time Warner, I'm happy. Sorry that I sounded like a commercial. I'm just fed up with Time Warner. It could've been any other company that was giving TW competition and I would've sounded like a commercial for them too.

No, I don't work for AT&T and never have or will. In fact, I used to loath them for their long distance service charges. But, now that they're providing some much needed competition for Time Warner, I'm happy. Sorry that I sounded like a commercial. I'm just fed up with Time Warner. It could've been any other company that was giving TW competition and I would've sounded like a commercial for them too.

OK, understandable. I just got a little suspicious with the "sales reps out in force" line - that sounded like it came from a company manual. :D

I'm still wondering if I'll ever switch, though. I am not that upset with TWC, and the Internet service would be a downgrade from TWC's 15Mbps Roadrunner Turbo.

I'm still "in play", though...whenever U-verse starts selling in my area, I'll at least look at it.

I just checked their website and my address is still shown as not being available, even though I know someone nearby has it. I watched in interest over several days as AT&T worked to get it installed. Of course, the other reason I know it is that somebody's router is broadcasting an SSID of UVERSE001. Luckily it's secured...


OK, understandable. I just got a little suspicious with the "sales reps out in force" line - that sounded like it came from a company manual. :D

I'm still wondering if I'll ever switch, though. I am not that upset with TWC, and the Internet service would be a downgrade from TWC's 15Mbps Roadrunner Turbo.

I'm still "in play", though...whenever U-verse starts selling in my area, I'll at least look at it.

I just checked their website and my address is still shown as not being available, even though I know someone nearby has it. I watched in interest over several days as AT&T worked to get it installed. Of course, the other reason I know it is that somebody's router is broadcasting an SSID of UVERSE001. Luckily it's secured...


Their website still shows my address as not available for their service too, but its because AT&T is not keeping up with updating their website with the new areas that they're installing. My neighborhood is ready now and that's why their sales reps are going door to door. If they hadn't come to my door I still wouldn't have known. I even signed up with AT&T's email notification service, but never got anything from them. I even called and was told my area wasn't yet equiped. So, obviously their departments aren't quite keeping up with the changes.

They offered me all TV's hooked up free, DVR (up to 4 shows can be recorded at same time), 400 channels free the first month, and I'm signing up for the broadband Express Pro which is their middle range one for $24.99/month (perm. rate/not introductory). It should be similar in speed to my Roadrunner now (I pay $29/month first 6 months then it goes up to about $40 (not their fastest). The clincher for me was the cheaper internet yet still fast enough and more local HD channels. I've never got to see The CW in HD, so I'm looking forward to it (I have a 42" JVC Plasma). I almost went to buy an antenna because I got tired of waiting for Time Warner, but my neighborhood does not allow antennas on roofs.

Time Warner will have to eventially make room for ALL local HD channels by law, so why don't they just do it already?

I almost went to buy an antenna because I got tired of waiting for Time Warner, but my neighborhood does not allow antennas on roofs.


Deed restrictions and/or neighborhood bylaws prohibiting rooftop antennas or satellite dishes are no longer enforceable pursuant to federal regulations enacted several years ago. You can put up anything you want to get TV reception now.

I almost went to buy an antenna because I got tired of waiting for Time Warner, but my neighborhood does not allow antennas on roofs.


Deed restrictions and/or neighborhood bylaws prohibiting rooftop antennas or satellite dishes are no longer enforceable pursuant to federal regulations enacted several years ago. You can put up anything you want to get TV reception now.

If the first paragraph was a quote, please state who originally posted that statement. That person needs to visit:
otard (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html)

I'm loving U-Verse. Had it 2 months now, no real issues, and nothing but enjoyment from it. 100X better than TWC. The DVR is nice, pretty cool to set things up to record from anywhere in the world, or delete shows from anywhere.

TBS HD was added today before the Indians game, so at least I get to see one game in HD on TBS. CNN HD is by the end of the month. Tons of stations, and it's cheaper than what I had with TWC, minus the hassles. My internet connection has been so much faster, and I had the TWC turbo. I mainly game online, and yeah TWC's download was faster, but it never seemed like I got any files faster. U-Verse's upload speed smokes what I got with TWC. I get about 950 with U, and I was getting 3-400 with TWC. Not even close.

And TBS HD looks incredible, my God!

My internet connection has been so much faster, and I had the TWC turbo. I mainly game online, and yeah TWC's download was faster, but it never seemed like I got any files faster.

Curious - how high was TWC Roadrunner Turbo up that way? I had 6 MBps with Adelphia, and that recently got bumped up to 15 MBps (!!) with no extra cost.

I am pretty sure U-verse/AT&T can't get close to that. It's a fairer fight at 6, though. It's one issue that keeps me from considering U-verse.

And TBS HD looks incredible, my God!

Even on TWC. It looks great. At least the baseball does. Can't speak for the rest of the TBS-HD "Stretch-O-Vision", tho. ;)

Curious - how high was TWC Roadrunner Turbo up that way? I had 6 MBps with Adelphia, and that recently got bumped up to 15 MBps (!!) with no extra cost.

I am pretty sure U-verse/AT&T can't get close to that. It's a fairer fight at 6, though. It's one issue that keeps me from considering U-verse.



Even on TWC. It looks great. At least the baseball does. Can't speak for the rest of the TBS-HD "Stretch-O-Vision", tho. ;)
Yeah, were 6 down, 1 up. I had the 15 down with TWC, yeah, I would get 12-13 on speed tests, but when I download a file now, it's as fast as I ever was with TWC. I can't explain it, have no clue, it just is. My upload speed is anywhere from 2-3 times faster though, that's the bigger deal to me actually.

conratulations To The
cleveland Indians

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

congratulations To The
cleveland Indians

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Hitting a bit of the bubbly yourself when you did this?:D I corrected.

lol. I'm the worst speller but that one stuck out like a sore thumb.:)

Totally off subject, but I thought you guys might be interested in this. This is from Filip Bondy of the NY Daily News:

The Yankees didn't win their division, and then they dropped their third straight, first-round series to a club with no pedigree, racist caps and a $50 million payroll.

Pretty insulting IMHO.

You can read the whole article here (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_questions_loom_for_yanks_after_another_e.html).

A-Rod- 2 for 15, 1 RBI ($27.7 million/year)
Giambi- 1 for 4, 0 RBI ($23.4 million/year)
Jeter- 3 for 17, 1 RBI ($21.6 million/year)
Abreu- 4 for 15, 2 RBI ($15.6 million/year)
Matsui- 2 for 11, 0 RBI ($13 million/year)

NYY's top 5 offensive players with the highest annual salary collectively going 12 for 62 with only 4 RBI, ($101.3 million) while losing to the Cleveland Indians in the ALDS........... PRICELESS!!!

Ohhhh, PRICELESS! That is too funny! :D

Hook, yes, I had a few in me when I posted that :).
And as far as any "comments" that don't give the Tribe their just deserves?... don't expect anything less. I forgive Bondy because he is heartbroken and not to mention EXTREMELY embarassed that the bombers got ROUTED through and through by a team full of talent as opposed to erogance and greed. The is the beginning of the end for the Yankees. They will now have to mostly dismantle and rebuild. No diheartenment from me though. I would love for someone to create a pic of Joe and A-Rod standing in the unemployment line. That would be too funny.
The Indians won't get much love still until they beat Boston, and even then they'll say what was wrong with those Boston players :).

I'll stop there since this is way off topic. GO TRIBE!

I don't often get bothered by these things, but Sportscenter immediately after the baseball game devoted over 15 minutes to the game and barely mentioned the Indians. It was all about the Yankees and what will happen to them. They played Torre's press conference, but had nothing from the Indians. They remedied this a little for the later show, but even so...

Here is the broadcast schedule for the Indian's ALCS.........

Friday, October 12 @ Red Sox 7:00 PM FOX
Saturday, October 13 @ Red Sox 8:00 PM FOX
Monday, October 15 vs Red Sox 7:00 PM FOX
Tuesday, October 16 vs Red Sox 8:00 PM FOX
Thursday, October 18 vs Red Sox 8:00 PM FOX
Saturday, October 20 @ Red Sox TBD FOX
Sunday, October 21 @ Red Sox TBD FOX

All games to be broadcast in HD, albeit 720p. If the trend continues from what I've seen in the regular season, fans that were used the superiority of STO and TBS's HD may be disappointed in the difference in what we're normally accustomed to.....

All games to be broadcast in HD, albeit 720p. If the trend continues from what I've seen in the regular season, fans that were used the superiority of STO and TBS's HD may be disappointed in the difference in what we're normally accustomed to.....

Well, that might depend on whether your TV is 720p native or 1080i/p native.

My upstairs small HD set is 720p but I can't honestly say if I notice a huge difference in quality of the TBS broadcast. I did see quite a bit of sound drop off and what I suppose was macro blocking last night on the 720p.

However my 1080i Sony Wega delivers 720p just as crystal clear as you'd want. I love FOX baseball in 720p.

Well, that might depend on whether your TV is 720p native or 1080i/p native.

My upstairs small HD set is 720p but I can't honestly say if I notice a huge difference in quality of the TBS broadcast. I did see quite a bit of sound drop off and what I suppose was macro blocking last night on the 720p.

However my 1080i Sony Wega delivers 720p just as crystal clear as you'd want. I love FOX baseball in 720p.

I have a 1080i 42" Plasma and a 720p 92" Screen/Projector. I viewed games on both TBS/STO and on Fox and I consider STO/TBS to be ahead in PQ than Fox. However this is only my humble opinion and other eyes may see differently. ;)

On another note, I did notice the sound drop offs on TBS throughout the series. Completely unacceptable, as was the biased media in the broadcast booth....

Thanks goodness the next series is on FOX. First of all, I don't have TBS-HD, only SD since I'm only doing QAM reception right now. So I'm sure the pic will look 100x better for me this time around :).

I think the best thing though, is that I don't have to see any more stupid ads for Frank TV. At first I thought I'd check it out when it airs because his impressions were pretty good, but now?... I'm so sick of seeing those ads that I never want to see or hear of Frank TV ever again.

HD, I agree about the sound... unacceptable. As far as the biased media?... don't get your hopes up about it getting any better. From what I here, the commentators for the ALCS are even worse. So don't expect any love for the Tribe this time around either. For me though, that'll make it all that much sweeter when we spank the RedSox.:)

I did see quite a bit of sound drop off and what I suppose was macro blocking last night on the 720p.I noticed this too on the SD feed (via E*). The macro blocking got worse when they switched to a wireless camera on the field. At one point the base runner broke up into a mess of pixels with the background still in tact. I hope FOX does a better job than TBS. I'm glad our championship series in on FOX as opposed to TBS.

Too bad you guys didn't get it in HD. I thought TBSHD's PQ was actually very good...if not exceptionally good. I turned the channel to 720p ESPN Monday Night Football during commericial breaks and the PQ was obviously softer and not nearly as good. 720p should look great on my 720p projector, but the 1080i on TBSHD was clearly better, no pun intended. Fox is much the same...PQ is not as good as what I saw on TBS (or STO for that matter). I also thought their camera angles and closeups were very good as well. Everyone that watched in my theater commented about what a great job TBS did...too bad their SD was so disappointing for you guys. There were no breakups, artifacts, or major sound issues of note either on Time Warner. There were a few sound skips at the beginning last night but nothing after that.

No doubt the SD was horrible for you guys, but I couldn't have been more pleased with the HD presentation from WTBS. I'd be more than happy to watch more sporting events on their network if they do as nice a job as they did with the divisional series.

Too bad you guys didn't get it in HD. I thought TBSHD's PQ was actually very good...if not exceptionally good. I turned the channel to 720p ESPN Monday Night Football during commericial breaks and the PQ was obviously softer and not nearly as good. 720p should look great on my 720p projector, but the 1080i on TBSHD was clearly better, no pun intended. Fox is much the same...PQ is not as good as what I saw on TBS (or STO for that matter). I also thought their camera angles and closeups were very good as well. Everyone that watched in my theater commented about what a great job TBS did...too bad their SD was so disappointing for you guys. There were no breakups, artifacts, or major sound issues of note either on Time Warner. There were a few sound skips at the beginning last night but nothing after that.

No doubt the SD was horrible for you guys, but I couldn't have been more pleased with the HD presentation from WTBS. I'd be more than happy to watch more sporting events on their network if they do as nice a job as they did with the divisional series.


I can't relly comment on the PQ of TBS-HD because all I have is SD right now and couldn't go anywhere to watch the ALDS in HD because I have my kids to take care of. Anyway, dude, do you work for WTBS??:D

Too bad you guys didn't get it in HD. I thought TBSHD's PQ was actually very good...if not exceptionally good. I turned the channel to 720p ESPN Monday Night Football during commericial breaks and the PQ was obviously softer and not nearly as good. 720p should look great on my 720p projector, but the 1080i on TBSHD was clearly better, no pun intended. Fox is much the same...PQ is not as good as what I saw on TBS (or STO for that matter). I also thought their camera angles and closeups were very good as well. Everyone that watched in my theater commented about what a great job TBS did...too bad their SD was so disappointing for you guys. There were no breakups, artifacts, or major sound issues of note either on Time Warner. There were a few sound skips at the beginning last night but nothing after that.

No doubt the SD was horrible for you guys, but I couldn't have been more pleased with the HD presentation from WTBS. I'd be more than happy to watch more sporting events on their network if they do as nice a job as they did with the divisional series.


Huh? Who says they didn't get it in HD? The only one I saw was Smarty-Pants. The rest of us were talking about it in HD.

I'm one who did not get the game in HD. While I have an HD DVR, it's MPEG-2 so I'm limited to the OTA's and now Showtime in HD downconverted to 480i.

The macroblocking I saw I attributed to a wireless camera that was just outside the infield.
The audio problem was off and on throughout the entire series, sometimes there would be video glitching along with the audio dropouts. Perhaps it was an anomaly on the SD side, however at least some with HD also caught the audio dropouts.

I'm one who did not get the game in HD. While I have an HD DVR, it's MPEG-2 so I'm limited to the OTA's and now Showtime in HD downconverted to 480i.

The macroblocking I saw I attributed to a wireless camera that was just outside the infield.
The audio problem was off and on throughout the entire series, sometimes there would be video glitching along with the audio dropouts. Perhaps it was an anomaly on the SD side, however at least some with HD also caught the audio dropouts.

Actually after I posted I did go back over and saw your post. As most everyone else confirmed, sound drop offs were common in HD. But if they can't even get the SD decent, geeze.

I mean it's not like this station has never done baseball. They've been doing it at least since 1980, maybe even before that.

Well, that might depend on whether your TV is 720p native or 1080i/p native.

However my 1080i Sony Wega delivers 720p just as crystal clear as you'd want. I love FOX baseball in 720p.

Does the Wega display 720P or accept 720P and convert to 1080i?

Does the Wega display 720P or accept 720P and convert to 1080i?

I don't really know. All I know is it's native 1080i, and it shows 720p perfectly. I would guess it converts.

I don't really know. All I know is it's native 1080i, and it shows 720p perfectly. I would guess it converts.

-just curious. Our Sony rptv accepts and converts 720P to 1080i and looks very good too. I think the Sony's have superior scaling in the TV. I just wondered if the Wega was different and displayed 720P.

Just for HD MM's list:

DirecTV added four more HD channels today:

MGMHD
National Geographic HD
Food Network HD
CNBC HD

Just for HD MM's list:

DirecTV added four more HD channels today:

MGMHD
National Geographic HD
Food Network HD
CNBC HD

Thank you.

With these additions, D* just took the lead in total HD channel offerings with 45.

HD channel list updated. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11732143&postcount=9752)

I almost went to buy an antenna because I got tired of waiting for Time Warner, but my neighborhood does not allow antennas on roofs.


Deed restrictions and/or neighborhood bylaws prohibiting rooftop antennas or satellite dishes are no longer enforceable pursuant to federal regulations enacted several years ago. You can put up anything you want to get TV reception now.

It doesn't matter to me that I can now legally put up an antenna in my neighborhood because I don't want to be the only one. I'd stand out like an idiot in my neighborhood. The homes around me are all 9 years old or less, between $320,000 and $1,750,000, and one antenna on my roof would really look bad. Yes, I've considered it, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. So, U-Verse it is for now.

I also heard of people getting a very good HD signal with just an indoor antenna. Is it true that if you get the signal at all the picture will be perfect, but if it isn't strong enough then your screen is blank? From what I've heard, it's not like an analog signal in that the old way you could get a fuzzy signal and see it. Any comments?

I also heard of people getting a very good HD signal with just an indoor antenna. Is it true that if you get the signal at all the picture will be perfect, but if it isn't strong enough then your screen is blank? From what I've heard, it's not like an analog signal in that the old way you could get a fuzzy signal and see it. Any comments?
Essentially this is true - w/digital you either get it, or you don't.

But while the old analog signal would be fuzzy, a digital signal w/issues (poor reception or multipath) will result in dropouts & pixellation which frankly can be worse than a fuzzy picture as the audio will be mangled as well.

An indoor may work for you, at least on some channels - 3 & 19 (Digital 2 & 10 respectively) won't be easy w/an indoor. A lot depends on where you are relative to the Parma antenna tours, what your elevation is & if you can point out a window towards the towers rather than through a wall which will attenuate your signal. Check out www.antennaweb.org to figure out how far you are from the digital towers & where they are precisely.

Another option would be to do a big antenna in the attic - not as good as outside, but perhaps your best compromise.

Huh? Who says they didn't get it in HD? The only one I saw was Smarty-Pants. The rest of us were talking about it in HD.

Hook, I was replying to the two posts previous to my post (Michael P 2341 and Smarty-Pants) who seemed to get it in SD only. If you got it in HD and it looked bad to you, then you have some other issues going on. You live close to me...come on over for the next TBSHD game and compare to what you are seeing. :) Seriously though, I've been viewing HDTV since 1999 and I can tell you it looked excellent on Time Warner in Twinsburg. I know all the typical HDTV PQ issues and overall, it was very good. FAR better than the PQ that I saw on ESPN's football predsentation. TBSHD was clear and crisp on my 106" theater screen, 51" Sony HDTV and 37" Wesy 1080p LCD.

Not sure what you were seeing if you thought otherwise...I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder then.

Hook, I was replying to the two posts previous to my post (Michael P 2341 and Smarty-Pants) who seemed to get it in SD only. If you got it in HD and it looked bad to you, then you have some other issues going on. You live close to me...come on over for the next TBSHD game and compare to what you are seeing. :) Seriously though, I've been viewing HDTV since 1999 and I can tell you it looked excellent on Time Warner in Twinsburg. I know all the typical HDTV PQ issues and overall, it was very good. FAR better than the PQ that I saw on ESPN's football predsentation. TBSHD was clear and crisp on my 106" theater screen, 51" Sony HDTV and 37" Wesy 1080p LCD.

Not sure what you were seeing if you thought otherwise...I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder then.

I thought the picture for the most part was great. I did see a bit, just a bit of macroblocking. Maybe you got up to get a sandwich.:) Without a doubt I heard sound drop offs and they were frequent. And that wasn't through dolby 5.1, just off my 19" LCD. Others have said they heard it as well.

Other then that I was fine with it.

I thought the picture for the most part was great. I did see a bit, just a bit of macroblocking. Maybe you got up to get a sandwich.:) Without a doubt I heard sound drop offs and they were frequent. And that wasn't through dolby 5.1, just off my 19" LCD. Others have said they heard it as well.

Other then that I was fine with it.

I also saw the macroblocking/minor breakups on the portable field cams. (Often used to shoot the players that trotted around the bases following a homerun). I and others have also noticed the audio dropouts. They usually came in about 3 quick stutters in audio every once in a while throughout the game. Except for those flaws, the picture itself was pretty great......

I also saw the macroblocking/minor breakups on the portable field cams. (Often used to shoot the players that trotted around the bases following a homerun). I and others have also noticed the audio dropouts. They usually came in about 3 quick stutters in audio every once in a while throughout the game. Except for those flaws, the picture itself was pretty great......

Yep, I'm really only talking about the PQ (hence saying the PQ was great. :D ). I heard the sound drop-offs in the beginning 3 or 4 innings and then not much after that. They did come in quick little stutters. Fox also is notorious for crappy sound so compared to that it was not too horrible. As for PQ, I was really surprised how good it was. I swear when I turned on the football game on ESPN, it was like night and day. ESPN looked softer and washed out in comparison. I guess it could be different lighting situations to some degree.

Sorry though if I wasn't clear...I was only speaking of the video quality, not sound. I didn't see much of the macroblocking (maybe a couple times at most)...not as much as I see on other networks such as NBC etc... The only other gripe I have with their presentation was the 'score bar' on top. I hated it...too low...too big...too much useless information on it. Did we really need to be reminded it was GAME 4 in the bar or have the Divisional Series logo on the bar? Less is better.

Hi there,

I have a CBS (WOIO-DT) problem since my antenna is not getting the signal at all, but I can get harder signals so there may be another problem.

Please see the attached image and help me fill these values for my program.

I think I got the first 3 values OK but I could not find Service ID or Transport Stream ID which is essential to watch.

I am using Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick with bundled software (Pinnacle TVCenter Pro) and can get all digital channels for my area except WOIO-DT

Thanks.

Searched this thread, but no results...

For the general Chardon location, really Auburn Rd. south of Mayfield, is there any indoor antenna (small amp'd model like Silver Sensor) that will pull in all the stations? Darn near line of sight to horizon in the W/SW direction.

I'm doing some leg work for my parents (I live in NC) who don't yet have an HD set (until I buy one for them! :)).

They do have a large antenna on a mast with rotor and amp, but that drop feed is close to 80' or so from where I want to put the new TV. I really don't want to mess with running coax, a small local antenna by the set would be sooo much easier.

Anyone with direct experience that lives in that general area?

Please don't refer me to antennaweb.org, I've already got the printouts of distance to xmitter antennas, and I've been doing OTA HD for years, just want hard evidence for that location.

Particularly concerned about the low power for CBS (WOIO 3.5kW ERP), even though their service contour map extends well beyond Chardon...

Thanks!

Searched this thread, but no results...

For the general Chardon location, really Auburn Rd. south of Mayfield, is there any indoor antenna (small amp'd model like Silver Sensor) that will pull in all the stations? Darn near line of sight to horizon in the W/SW direction.

I'm doing some leg work for my parents (I live in NC) who don't yet have an HD set (until I buy one for them! :)).

They do have a large antenna on a mast with rotor and amp, but that drop feed is close to 80' or so from where I want to put the new TV. I really don't want to mess with running coax, a small local antenna by the set would be sooo much easier.

Anyone with direct experience that lives in that general area?

Please don't refer me to antennaweb.org, I've already got the printouts of distance to xmitter antennas, and I've been doing OTA HD for years, just want hard evidence for that location.

Particularly concerned about the low power for CBS (WOIO 3.5kW ERP), even though their service contour map extends well beyond Chardon...

Thanks!
I don't live there but I may be able to give you some insight. I have the Silver Sensor. You can't go wrong with it as long as you can live with a few things.

1.) The SS is extremely directional, you may have to reaim it for some stations (although from your location that should not be necessary since the minor differences between the Parma towers come into a single focus by the time you reach the far east-side).

2.) The SS is not a powered antenna! However that is actually a plus since amplified antennas amplify everything - the signal you want and the noise you don't want. I use my SS to pickup the Akron stations which are 25 miles away with little problem.

3.) Any indoor antenna works best when placed in a window facing the transmitters. Building materials tend to distort the signals while glass (with no screen) is more or less transparent. I do not have the luxury of a south-facing window for the Akron stations. I can get a lock with an 85-87 strength signal through a wall and my garage door. If I had a window I bet I'd get a 125 (the highest my E* 921 goes).

You appear to be in a great location - very little ground clutter between you and the towers. Good luck!

I don't live there but...

Someone from Parma giving advice......? :D:D LOL (couldn't resist)

Been a long time since I lived up that way, but back then (60s, early 70s), Parma sure did take a lot of crap...

The Silver Sensor is only UHF... and aren't a couple of the Cleveland stations VHF-DT?

I might try a small combo antenna with an amp to see how it works, much easier than running all that coax.....

Thanks...

They do have a large antenna on a mast with rotor and amp, but that drop feed is close to 80' or so from where I want to put the new TV. I really don't want to mess with running coax, a small local antenna by the set would be sooo much easier.

I'm in Geauga county in a similar terrain (a bit south of their location), and I found a rooftop antenna necessary to get reliable coverage of all the local channels.

So I say that you should run the coax. And just think of how many other stations (non-local) they'll be able to pull in with that tall antenna and rotor. It would seem a shame to waste that capability. If I had that antenna, I'd definitely want to use it.

Jim, sent you a PM...

Well... maybe I'll just spend the time I'd be messing with a settop antenna, and run the coax... I'm sure that's the best solution, just not the easiest...

Michael, are you old enough to remember the Ghoulardi show??? :) (re: Parma jokes, etc...)

And for those of you who are too young: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoulardi

PARMA?????

To this day I can't look at a pink flamingo or chrome ball yard ornament without smiling and thinking of his shows. Not to mention white socks and perogis (although I do love perogis, yum :rolleyes:)

PARMA?????

To this day I can't look at a pink flamingo or chrome ball yard ornament without smiling and thinking of his shows. Not to mention white socks and perogis (although I do love perogis, yum :rolleyes:)

Does this board go to Parma? ;) Now I've got "Who Stole the Keeshka" running in my head again... :p

As a person who didn't grow up in this area I have no idea what in the heck you guys are talking about. Parma, as I understand it is some kind of a joke. Kind of like the way New Yorkers talk about people from New Jersey?

Ghoulardi with Big Chuck and later Little John with their kind of "Polish" based humor had some hilarious skits---like Big Chuck walking along the beach and seeing a beautiful Big Mack sitting on a rock then taking a bite out of the burger and getting hooked and swiftly dragged into the water---caught by a big fish.
JJK

The "Parma" Schtick actually began on the Ghoulardi Show when show director Chuck Schodowski (Big Chuck) Moved to a home in Parma. Ernie Anderson (Ghoulardi) constantly ribbed him about white socks, pink flamingos, etc..The Height of all this was a series of skits called "Parma Place" ..It was Ghouldardi himself who said, "Does this program go to Parma?"

nice website for fans of Big Chuck and Lil John with lots of history, pictures, forums, etc..They also cover Hoolihan and the Ghoulardi years..


http://www.bigchuckandliljohn.com/

Is the Kent State vs. OSU game being broadcast by anyone tomorrow?

I'm currently watching WKYC-DT via QAM, and am only getting a 480i signal. Really looks like crap. Anybody else seeing this?

Is the Kent State vs. OSU game being broadcast by anyone tomorrow?

Just on the big ten network from what I can find...

Fink! Knif! Amrap! Stay sick! Turn blue! Cool it! Dorothy!

Some Ghoulardi links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e52cXCrmauc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoulardi

http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/5035/

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3257/Ghoulardi.html

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e4iQfVC4V-Y&mode=related&search=


http://members.tripod.com/~Ghoulardi/ (http://members.tripod.com/~Ghoulardi/)

It was Ghouldardi himself who said, "Does this program go to Parma?"Not only did the show go to Parma, it was transmitted form there!

Michael, are you old enough to remember the Ghoulardi show??? (re: Parma jokes, etc...) You bet!

I'd love to see the short film they used to show on Ghoulardi where they showed an aerial view of Parma while playing the folk song "Little Boxes". I live near the subdivision where all the streets are named after Florida cities. Rumor has it that the pink flamingos where brought to Parma by "snow birds" who took 3-month vacations in Florida during the winter. They loved Florida so much that they wanted to bring some of that sunshine up here, hence we got the pink flamingos and streets named "Coral Gables" and "Hialeah" (I'm still looking for the race track there :D ).

Just to set the record straight - I'm not a Parma native. I'm originally from Euclid where CFPL used to come in occasionally like a local station every summer until WOIO-DT came along.

Fink! Knif! Amrap! Stay sick! Turn blue! Cool it! Dorothy!

Some Ghoulardi links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e52cXCrmauc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoulardi

http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/5035/

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3257/Ghoulardi.html

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e4iQfVC4V-Y&mode=related&search=


http://members.tripod.com/~Ghoulardi/ (http://members.tripod.com/~Ghoulardi/)

Good stuff, Salemtubes. Thanks for the links, you purple knif! :)

BTW, I remember when they started brodcasting Ghoulardi in color. I still remember Anderson joking that they didn't have a color monitor in the studio because "they only figured out how to transmit it - they haven't figured out how to receive it yet!"

There's a definite age/generation gap in Cleveland based on whatever Channel 8 ran late weekend nights.

I'm too young to remember Ghoulardi (though I certainly know of him, and his post-Ghoulardi career with that booming voice).

But I grew up watching Hoolihan and Big Chuck...which likely predates some of our younger folks here.

Jeez man! When did this become the old fart thread? :)

Hi there,

I have a CBS (WOIO-DT) problem since my antenna is not getting the signal at all, but I can get harder signals so there may be another problem.

Please see the attached image and help me fill these values for my program.

I think I got the first 3 values OK but I could not find Service ID or Transport Stream ID which is essential to watch.

I am using Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick with bundled software (Pinnacle TVCenter Pro) and can get all digital channels for my area except WOIO-DT

Thanks.

You shouldn't have to enter values like that to pick up an over the air station. Maybe if you were trying to tune a QAM cable channel, but not OTA. Really bad software design. May I humbly suggest you return that thing and buy an AutumnWave OnAir USB GT. They have a thread going here on AVS with great support. I use one when travelling and it's great.

www.autumnwave.com

I bought mine from www.copperbox.com

Again CBS refuses to carry the Browns in HD. I hate CBS i dont watch any shows that they have on but im forced to watch sub par tv on Sundays does anyone know when CBS loses the NFL? I know the NFL mandated that all games be in HD next year but i dont want to watch CBS if i dont have to as far as i am concerned CBS can go off the air forever and i wont miss them one bit!

Again CBS refuses to carry the Browns in HD. I hate CBS i dont watch any shows that they have on but im forced to watch sub par tv on Sundays does anyone know when CBS loses the NFL? I know the NFL mandated that all games be in HD next year but i dont want to watch CBS if i dont have to as far as i am concerned CBS can go off the air forever and i wont miss them one bit!

AFAIK, CBS doesn't lose the NFL anytime soon. However rumor is all their games will be HD next season. I beleive the NFL mandate is every game in HD in the 2009 season, not the 2008 season.

Please take a moment and let all three of these organizations know your displeasure with CBS not showing the Browns' games in HD.

http://www.nfl.com/contact-us

http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.shtml

Call (440) 824-6284 for feedback to the Browns. I don't see any email address or feedback form on their site.

Again CBS refuses to carry the Browns in HD. I hate CBS i dont watch any shows that they have on but im forced to watch sub par tv on Sundays does anyone know when CBS loses the NFL? I know the NFL mandated that all games be in HD next year but i dont want to watch CBS if i dont have to as far as i am concerned CBS can go off the air forever and i wont miss them one bit!

The truth of the matter is CBS does not care about Cleveland, they are not what they consider an important team and they probably don't like Raycom anymore then we do:). So therefore unless they are playing someone considers important like Steelers, Patriots, they are the last ones to get HD.

However as Paule123 points out next year all games are mandated to be in HD.

And as I pointed out before, who the heck cares about the Browns. Go Tribe. I'm actually rooting for them to beat the Red Sox, the team I followed since I was 16. I figure since the Red Sox have won it once, it's Tribe Time baby.

GO TRIBE !!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I was sooo tiired last night staying up to watch the end of that game. Now I am sooo tired having to get up with the kids at 6am this morning. Now I have to get ready to go in to work for a few hours and I'm gonna be sooo tired. Ya know what though, I WAS WORTH IT INDEED. To see the Indians wallop the Sox in the 11th was so awesome. Now they're back in Ohio baby and it's time for Cleveland to ROCK! :)

I'm currently watching WKYC-DT via QAM, and am only getting a 480i signal. Really looks like crap. Anybody else seeing this?

Ok am I really the only person having this problem? I've discovered I'm actually getting a 480i feed on nbc-dt, fox-dt and abc-dt. CBS-dt is still 1080i, but whoop-de-do, the browns game isn't in hd so who cares.... Anywho, rant over about cbs, but why am I not getting hd feeds?!

Like I mentioned TWC QAM, and it worked fine a couple days ago.

But I grew up watching Hoolihan and Big Chuck...which likely predates some of our younger folks here.

Oh the memories... We used to watch Hoolihan&BC too and switched over to channel 61 now and then hoping to catch 'The Ghoul' blowing up car models with firecrackers...

Oh the memories... We used to watch Hoolihan&BC too and switched over to channel 61 now and then hoping to catch 'The Ghoul' blowing up car models with firecrackers...

Hoolihan and Chuck were good in a different way from Ghoulardi. I watched them both but I enjoyed Ghoulardi the most. He was the first local tv host to take things out of the box. When you think about how formal and stuffy television programming was in those days, his attitude was groundbreaking.

I spoke to someone the other day who has a friend that used to live in one of his houses, and she said he was a pretty wild guy. Yes, he really did ride his motorcycle through the hallways of the station.

Ok am I really the only person having this problem? I've discovered I'm actually getting a 480i feed on nbc-dt, fox-dt and abc-dt. CBS-dt is still 1080i, but whoop-de-do, the browns game isn't in hd so who cares.... Anywho, rant over about cbs, but why am I not getting hd feeds?!

Like I mentioned TWC QAM, and it worked fine a couple days ago.

You do realize there is a regular digital 480i feed on TW for WKYC, correct? There is an analog feed(803), a digital feed in 480i (3) and the HD feed (703). I watched the channel 3 news this morning on 703 and I can confirm that was in HD. So maybe you need to search around a bit with your QAM tuner.