I have a feeling that the new digital packages that TW is making is going to cost more to get the same channels that I do now.

Probably if you have basic cable plus it will eventually. For right now if you have digital it shouldn't.

However as we head down the road things may get interesting. As you can see the NFL Network is listed on the "sports tier." So if you want that you will have to purchase the sports tier. Funny, this is the first time that I've known about it that they worked that out.

Although they may try I don't think ESPN or Fox Sports will agree to that, but time will tell. We may have to purchase the "sports tier" for those channels eventually. Time will tell.

When does all this take effect?

Aw, come on. You don't really expect a definite date do you?;)

The letter said "around March 4."

That's NHL Network not NFL Network.

That's NHL Network not NFL Network.

I thought that was strange. I looked at that thing several times too and everytime I thought it said NFL.

I could blame it on the small adobe screen, but I did expand it a bit.

Or I could just admit that I misread it. Either way you're correct.

I'm test driving a Magnavox, its actually made by Funi (as I thought) rather than Philips as reported somewhere.

The Zenith box is 59.99 @ Circuit City.

STB (Set Top Box) as Magnavox calls them.

Back panel:
Ant in & RF out, selectable 3/4 via the remote (default is 3), one set of AV jacks, audio out can be set to either the RF or RCS's via the setup menu (it would be nice to be able to use both at the same time)

Front panel:
LED Green=on Yellow=Standby, on/off switch on the right side.
Without the remote the box is worthless... remote seems a bit unsure at times though I'm using used batteries in it for now.

Programming guide per channel for up to 1-5 programs ahead depending on channel. Display also gives you the Channel/Signal strength.

I have not been able to get any info off of 55 WBNX, to its virtual channel, it programmed itself to 30.1 & that's what it displays.

picked up on my outdoor antenna 3.1, 3.2, 5.1, 8.1, 19.1, 19.2, 30.1, 43.1, 43.2, 61.1.

Attic antenna: 5.1, 8.1, 43.1, 43.2, 61.1 (3.1 a pixalated mess, with some scanning was able to pick up 19.1, & 19.2 but often freezes & pixelates)

I have a feeling that the new digital packages that TW is making is going to cost more to get the same channels that I do now.

I would have the feeling you are right. Pay more to get the same thing... or even less. :(

I have a feeling that the new digital packages that TW is making is going to cost more to get the same channels that I do now.

Notice on the lineup there are more $5.00 charges. The "Digital Tier", the "Choice Tier", the "Sports Tier", "Movie Tier". What kind of clip joint are they running? Looks like we'll have to pay more for stuff we used to get.

.......I have not been able to get any info off of 55 WBNX, to its virtual channel, it programmed itself to 30.1 & that's what it displays.
Attic antenna: 5.1, 8.1, 43.1, 43.2, 61.1 (3.1 a pixalated mess, with some scanning was able to pick up 19.1, & 19.2 but often freezes & pixelates)

I had the exact same results when using an amplified, directional attic antenna and a very good HDTV stb tuner (all digital stations came in fine except 3 & 19 which were hit and miss, pixelated, weak signal). When I went to a much smaller, outdoor, non-directional antenna I now get all channels without issue. Obviously I still don't get WVIZ. :mad:

I've yet to see 55 WBNX ever display any OTA data whatsoever, but it did properly map to 55-1.

Notice on the lineup there are more $5.00 charges. The "Digital Tier", the "Choice Tier", the "Sports Tier", "Movie Tier". What kind of clip joint are they running? Looks like we'll have to pay more for stuff we used to get.

Kind of but then they are giving some stuff that we had to pay extra for on the digital tier.

132 Science Channel
136 History International
139 Investigation Discovery
140 Biography
228 Fox Reality
275 ReelzChannel

There are a couple of others. But you are correct you will pay more for the Sports Tier for some stuff. Fortunately I don't watch it so I don't care.:)

Well, we're about 12 hours away from the "big day". I'm not expecting a channel reorganization tonight since they have never mailed the next letter with the lineup out yet. I still wonder about the other changes. Will channels that are supposed to be dropped/added (according to the Legal Notices (http://www.timewarnercable.com/NortheastOhio/programming/Legal_notices2.html)) be dropped or added tonight? It sounds like it has to do with contracts, so if a contract is up on March 4th, the channel should disappear. Also, channels should be added, like when TWC said TBS HD was going live on October 1st. I really don't know what to expect, although since this morning I've had lots of macroblocking on WEW HD and WJW HD. They both share a QAM(104.2; 104.3) so it seemed like they are doing something at the head end.

Well, we're about 12 hours away from the "big day". I'm not expecting a channel reorganization tonight since they have never mailed the next letter with the lineup out yet. I still wonder about the other changes. Will channels that are supposed to be dropped/added (according to the Legal Notices (http://www.timewarnercable.com/NortheastOhio/programming/Legal_notices2.html)) be dropped or added tonight? It sounds like it has to do with contracts, so if a contract is up on March 4th, the channel should disappear. Also, channels should be added, like when TWC said TBS HD was going live on October 1st. I really don't know what to expect, although since this morning I've had lots of macroblocking on WEWS HD and WJW HD. They both share a QAM(104.2; 104.3) so it seemed like they are doing something at the head end.

I'm not seeing any macroblocking. I looked as soon as you posted. Now I'm not going to stare at Tyra Banks Show for too long however I can look at the view.

Moving on they did not say in the letter that the channels will appear on 3/4 they said on or around 3/4. And the channels that they said contracts would be ending doesn't mean they won't show those channels, only the channels that they said they were dropping will be removed. The legal thing about contracts expiring appears all the time, you can see it in the Plain Dealer. It's just a legal requirement, usually they work it out.

But they did name some specific channels that would be dropped and they probably will be once the line up change goes into effect. It will probably happen tonight, they like to do things on Tuesdays for some reason but maybe not in all areas.

I'm not seeing any macroblocking. I looked as soon as you posted. Now I'm not going to stare at Tyra Banks Show for too long however I can look at the view.

Moving on they did not say in the letter that the channels will appear on 3/4 they said on or around 3/4. And the channels that they said contracts would be ending doesn't mean they won't show those channels, only the channels that they said they were dropping will be removed. The legal thing about contracts expiring appears all the time, you can see it in the Plain Dealer. It's just a legal requirement, usually they work it out.

But they did name some specific channels that would be dropped and they probably will be once the line up change goes into effect. It will probably happen tonight, they like to do things on Tuesdays for some reason but maybe not in all areas.

I think this is all just a govt. distraction conspiracy so people don't pay attention to the election/primary.

Just like when the govt. rolls out another *wacky* Michael Jackson story right in the middle of an investigation into govt. wrong doing. :D

Is CavaliersHD supposed to be FSN HD? Or do they only turn it on when the Cavs are playing?

FSN only does the Cavaliers, and the Columbus Blue Jackets, in HD. It doesn't feed 24/7. We've gotten the Blue Jackets games here, on former Adelphia 798 ("HD Bonus")...I don't know if the other new systems, or the "legacy" TWC Akron/Canton system, have gotten the Blue Jackets on that channel.

STO is going 24/7 HD shortly, which is why that was probably labeled so. They apparently upgraded their studios to HD (at WKYC, which makes sense) and will run all the regular season games in HD this year, including the replays.

It will probably happen tonight, they like to do things on Tuesdays for some reason but maybe not in all areas.

When they changed us to digital simulcast on channels under 100 they changed a few channels every Tuesday night. I also noticed some of my channels not working over 100 on Tuesday nights recently. It seemed like they went by QAM b/c about 5 channels would be changed at a time.

The change probably will happen tonight--EVERYWHERE!

An item at Ohio Media Watch (http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2008/03/another-sign-twc-lineup-changes-are.html) as well as WKYC's Directors Cut Blog (http://www.wkyc.com/weblog/directors_cut/2008/02/directors-alert-weather-plus-moving-to.html) says Weather Plus will be moving to channel 372 on ALL Time Warner systems effective March 4.

Also, OMW picked up on WBNS being added at 407.

Got my NEW channel line up along with explanation letter in the mail today.

Got my NEW channel line up along with explanation letter in the mail today.

Where you at?

Canton/N.Canton

The change probably will happen tonight--EVERYWHERE!


All I can say is that the only person who ever really knew what date or at least close to what date these things would happen is handsworth. And he hasn't been around in a long time.

If it happens tomorrow quite honestly I will be very surprised. And I'll try to be the first to point it out to you if it doesn't.;)

To be fair, if it does happen tomorrow I'll try to be the first to admit your right.

I hope your taking your blood pressure meds, you sure are excited about this.:p

I hope your taking your blood pressure meds, you sure are excited about this.:p

I've been waiting for WBNX-DT since the summer of 2006 when I went HD. Couldn't wait to see "Supernatural" in HD. :D Then I was pi$$ed when the CW didn't go to WUAB(who had HD at the time). Now, I've been waiting ever since WBNX lit up in April '07.

Plus, I'm excited about the FOUR other chanels. They are probably the only ones we'll get this year. Look at last year, all we got was ESPN2 HD.
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Also, now 19 and 5 have weather graphics over HD. Now 3 out of 4 stations are able to do this.

Plus, I'm excited about the FOUR other chanels. They are probably the only ones we'll get this year. Look at last year, all we got was ESPN2 HD.
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Not to brag but we've had ESPN2 HD for two years. We also got TBSHD this year and UniversalHD as well.

And there will be much more to come because now that they have got the ball rolling on the channel alignments they can start working on SDV.

But the point is it really doesn't matter how many new HD channels they get. It's quality of programming and HD. History HD channel? Um, I don't think you will see much "HD" on that.

We also got TBSHD this year and UniversalHD as well.

Now you know how much I hate TBS! :D It's mis-labeled. It SHOULD be TBS Stretchovision Nightmare. Even a waterboarding wouldn't get me to call that HD! :p

I really don't care for Universal HD. I don't get that channel. Again, they really didn't add anything special by adding that channel. I'd rather have the HD simulcast of USA. At least USA has some good programming(WWE, Monk, Psych, L&O, movies)


But the point is it really doesn't matter how many new HD channels they get. It's quality of programming and HD. History HD channel? Um, I don't think you will see much "HD" on that.

At least History and A&E have SOME HD content. That's more than can be said about that waste of bandwidth TBS. They should dump that crap. TBS: Very Funny Looking Picture

With the new digital TWC lineups coming out, I thought I'd do a recheck of my QAM digital tuner (JVC 30" TV)

The Cleveland Channels now show up on their regular numbers
3-1 WKYC-HD
3-2 Weather Plus
5-1 WEWS
8-1 WJW
19-1 WOIO
19-2 Weather Now
43-1 WUAB
49-1 WEAO-HD
49-2 WEAO-SD

Beyond regular channel numbers:
94-2 WTOV Steubenville
94-6 Versus
100-2 WEWS-HD
123-1 WVIZ
123-2 WVIZ-2
123-5 WIVM
124 area (forget the exact channel numbers) Sprout and Reelz

also, on 94-1 I am getting a Local Bulletin Board for the Norton, Ohio area..Other new channels are Peace TV and La Familia..

Tim, mine have been that way for a several weeks now. Although I've got several other channels in the 94s. Like TBS, E!, Discovery.
I couldn't believe it when I saw them mapped correctly IE: 3.1 and it actually says WKYC-HD. Now I don't have to hear my wife say "What channel is it on again...?".
:)
No 55.1 though... yet.:D

EDIT--- Also Tim, what is WVIZ-2?? Is that just the regular WVIZ-DT (non HD)? I wish I got that. My kids watch WVIZ every morning and to have it in digital would be nice.

Tim, mine have been that way for a several weeks now. Although I've got several other channels in the 94s. Like TBS, E!, Discovery.
I couldn't believe it when I saw them mapped correctly IE: 3.1 and it actually says WKYC-HD. Now I don't have to hear my wife say "What channel is it on again...?".
:)
No 55.1 though... yet.:D

EDIT--- Also Tim, what is WVIZ-2?? Is that just the regular WVIZ-DT (non HD)? I wish I got that. My kids watch WVIZ every morning and to have it in digital would be nice.


It might well be, though I am not sure..It is diffferent programming from VIZ-1..I do most of my TV watching on Dish Network,,Most of the other cable channels you mention have been around awhile in the Qam lineup..I still think its odd about the Norton Bulletin Board though

It might well be, though I am not sure..It is diffferent programming from VIZ-1..I do most of my TV watching on Dish Network,,Most of the other cable channels you mention have been around awhile in the Qam lineup..I still think its odd about the Norton Bulletin Board though

Yah that "norton" feed is SOOO crappy. I think it's suposed to be some kind of local channel or something, but that "norton" is coming through because of them working on the system getting ready for the big change... I guess :confused:(shrug):rolleyes:.

WVIZ-2 is "The Ohio Channel". WVIZ-1 is PBS HD, independent of the regular PBS.

WNEO-2 is a digital version of the SD feed.

Anybody have any changes yet??

Oh, ok. I get THE OHIO CHANNEL, just not WVIZ-dt. I did a rescan about an hour and a half ago and no change for me, but I am not much help since I only subscribe to LIFELINE BASIC.

TBS will have its Sunday afternoon baseball series starting in April. At least that game will be in HD!

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080227&content_id=2391731&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb



Now you know how much I hate TBS! :D It's mis-labeled. It SHOULD be TBS Stretchovision Nightmare. Even a waterboarding wouldn't get me to call that HD! :p

I really don't care for Universal HD. I don't get that channel. Again, they really didn't add anything special by adding that channel. I'd rather have the HD simulcast of USA. At least USA has some good programming(WWE, Monk, Psych, L&O, movies)



At least History and A&E have SOME HD content. That's more than can be said about that waste of bandwidth TBS. They should dump that crap. TBS: Very Funny Looking Picture

6:30 am. Wife gets up to turn off alarm. I reach for remote control.
6:31 am. I press 708. Fox News 8 in HD is on.
6:52 am. nickdawg, you were wrong.

FYI - WOW just added Big Ten HD on channel 219 of the basic HD tier.

While it's a May 2007 press release, it looks like the network is committed to providing lots of HD content as well:
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/PR5707b.asp

"The Big Ten Network will produce more than 350 events, totaling more than 1,000 hours of original high definition (HD) content within its first year.

The network will also produce all studio programming in HD and will be the most prolific producer of original HD content of any new network in television history.

The Big Ten Network plans to capture virtually its entire slate of high-profile men's football and basketball games in HD, beginning in August with the new 2007 season.

It will similarly produce women's basketball and softball in HD and plans to do the same across many other conference events such as baseball, soccer, swimming, track and field, tennis, gymnastics, volleyball, wrestling and other popular NCAA action.

The Big Ten Network is also providing campus content drawn from its 11 Big Ten university programs and is currently exploring HD opportunities for future campus-based series and specials."

6:30 am. Wife gets up to turn off alarm. I reach for remote control.
6:31 am. I press 708. Fox News 8 in HD is on.
6:52 am. nickdawg, you were wrong.

He has till midnight, THEN we string him up...:D.

It's a great addition, although with basketball season just about over, it'll be interesting to see what other sports programming they'll have until football. They've been showing tons of HD college basketball and had at least 2 HD football games every week last fall.

FYI - WOW just added Big Ten HD on channel 219 of the basic HD tier.

I can get channel 399 now on my STB. I couldn't get in on my S3. I'm doing a channel rescan now.

Line up however has not changed still.

He has till midnight, THEN we string him up...:D.

If they do a line up change in the middle of the day that would be pretty amazing, but maybe not all that bad of an idea. Isn't everyone at work during the day including the big shots?

Still you'd have to reboot the boxes and that wouldn't happen until probably let's say 12:01. So I say we string him up now. :)

Heck, last time thay did a channel realighnment on my system, they did it just as LOST was starting. 15 seconds into the show... BAM! I was pretty pissed to say the least. It takes like a half hour or more for my tv to do a complete scan, so I had to watch the show in SD. So they have done it before...

Heck, last time thay did a channel realighnment on my system, they did it just as LOST was starting. 15 seconds into the show... BAM! I was pretty pissed to say the least. It takes like a half hour or more for my tv to do a complete scan, so I had to watch the show in SD. So they have done it before...

Geeze, that sucks. I hope they don't try that today.

Doesn't anyone know a TWC insider they could call to find out what's going on?

Ben Music

Doesn't anyone know a TWC insider they could call to find out what's going on?

Ben Music

I'll make a call. I don't know if I'll even get a response but I will try.

Go Hook go..:D

OK, I got a response back from my headend contact. Here's what's going to happen and this is all she can really say at this point. They are going to change the "Time Warner Area" customers first. That means that they are going to move the people in the original TW areas digital alignnments. If that goes well they will go from there.

Now where they go next is anyones guess but this will not, and hear me loud and clear nickdawg, going to happen to everyone at one time. Who will be next is anyone's guess and how soon it will happen is also anyones guess. If things go smoothly with the first try they will move on to the another area.

Now she knows I'm in the "Adelphia" area so it's not going to be me right away or probably any other ex Adelphia customers. So if it's Comcast next or Adelphia, part of Adelphia....who knows.

But she did say Time Warner Area tonight.

Now being an S3 owner I asked about how that is going to work with Tribune Media who does our guide and she assures me that they will be in contact with them to let them know when any changes are made so you should see them as soon as they happen if you own a TiVo.

So sit tight, relax, and let it play out.

WVIZ having problems with the 6pm Newshour feed. Audio is fine but the picture has this whacky scrolling thing going on. Watching via D*.

Edit: Looks fine on 7pm Newshour via PBS 49.

The 7pm Nightly Business Report on WVIZ is also screwed up. WVIZ must be having some major equipment issues.

Hey everyone,

Just found the forum a few days ago. Lots of good info here.

I too had a few questions for Time Warner, so I decided to call them today. Lucked out and got a extremely helpful and informative CSR (that's not always the case. :-) Anyhow she said "the realignment has begun" and I can confirm what Hook said in that "Time Warner's native areas would be done first" namely Akron/Canton system tonight (5th) "If all goes well". I figured as much since it's close to TW's central hub in Canton. (Yea for me, I live in Akron.) There were a lot of "if's" in her statements and it seemed to me that the techs tonight will be collectively holding their breath to see if this goes well. If it does, the roll-out will continue as planned, area by area. If not, expect delays. By the way, the recording when I called said, "if you're calling about channel realignment occuring in March and April..." so they've already built in a large window for this.

Hopefully we'll have something to report tomorrow...

-Ed

Hey everyone,

Just found the forum a few days ago. Lots of good info here.

I too had a few questions for Time Warner, so I decided to call them today. Lucked out and got a extremely helpful and informative CSR (that's not always the case. :-) Anyhow she said "the realignment has begun" and I can confirm what Hook said in that "Time Warner's native areas would be done first" namely Akron/Canton system tonight (5th) "If all goes well". I figured as much since it's close to TW's central hub in Canton. (Yea for me, I live in Akron.) There were a lot of "if's" in her statements and it seemed to me that the techs tonight will be collectively holding their breath to see if this goes well. If it does, the roll-out will continue as planned, area by area. If not, expect delays. By the way, the recording when I called said, "if you're calling about channel realignment occuring in March and April..." so they've already built in a large window for this.

Hopefully we'll have something to report tomorrow...

-Ed

GOOD INFO! Thanks and welcome to AVS :).

By the way, the recording when I called said, "if you're calling about channel realignment occuring in March and April..." so they've already built in a large window for this.-Ed


Hi Ed, and welcome to the forum. Since you confirmed what I found out I'll spare you from my "never believe anything customer service says" speach. Anyway, you seem to be aware of that already.;)

In that recording you mentioned about "March and April" - did they specify a year?:D

One thing that I have noticed that others may want to check...

The TWC "My Account" feature on channel 100 no longer works for me (I don't use it regularly so it could have been out a while), and a couple higher channels, like HIST International just show a black screen.

Anybody else with these problems?

One thing that I have noticed that others may want to check...

The TWC "My Account" feature on channel 100 no longer works for me (I don't use it regularly so it could have been out a while), and a couple higher channels, like HIST International just show a black screen.

Anybody else with these problems?

Kind of sounds like you've got RF problems. Any feature that interacts with a back office system (like an account feature) has to involve a functioning upstream path as well as the downstream RF. Can you check your connectors, maybe eliminate any splitters in the path to pick up a few db?

Kind of sounds like you've got RF problems. Any feature that interacts with a back office system (like an account feature) has to involve a functioning upstream path as well as the downstream RF. Can you check your connectors, maybe eliminate any splitters in the path to pick up a few db?

Perhaps. We have 7 TVs (only 2 with boxes). 2 splitters that everything goes through. I may have to play with our setup or get some amplification.

Perhaps. We have 7 TVs (only 2 with boxes). 2 splitters that everything goes through. I may have to play with our setup or get some amplification.

Try the passives first, with amplification as a last resort. And if you do choose to amp it, make sure you get an amp that's two-way. A two-way amp contains diplexing filters that separate the forward and reverse bands and send each one in the appropriate direction.

Good luck and let us know how it works out.

Disney West is gone. As noted in the original programming notices, Disney west was one of the channels that was being removed on or around March 4th.

Now where they go next is anyones guess but this will not, and hear me loud and clear nickdawg, going to happen to everyone at one time. Who will be next is anyone's guess and how soon it will happen is also anyones guess. If things go smoothly with the first try they will move on to the another area.



Why do you single ME out, hookbill? Don't sahoot the messenger! I just reported what I read from OMW and WKYC. I'd expect Frank Macek to know what he is talking about since WKYC has close contact with TW through the Akron-Canton news.

It's 12:30am and WVIZ is still hosed - showing their bug but a black screen.

Also getting a fuzzy screen on PBS 49 - looks like it's from the source - started about the time the ice storm came in, but all the other locals look good.

Watching on D*

I don't know if they'll be doing the new line-up tonight. The ice here in Canto is HERENDOUS to say the least. My wife was driving through Canton coming home around 10:00 and she said there were power lines down, large tree limbs, fire trucks and police everywhere trying to help. They may just not want to have to deal with all that if cable lines are down too. We shall see...

I live in Southwest Canton, about a block from Aultman Hospital, and our power was out from just before 10-just after midnight..In calling AEP, there were scattered weather related outages throughout Canton..

MTV2 Analog has been added for me on Channel 34. No digital changes yet. TNT channel 41 is frozen along with channel 71. Channels 77, 78, and 79 have also been removed on the analog lineup.

Good morning!

Thanks for the welcome guys (and girls, if there are any here...)

Woke up, turned on the TV and... no change. But with the weather and all, I'm just glad I had ANY signal at all. ;) Weather may have been a factor. There was a lot going on last night with that alone.

Well we'll see if, as Rod Stewart says, "Tonight's the night..."

-Ed

There was a story in the News Harald this morning about the TWC channel shuffle going on. It stated that the Akron/Canton area would see the changes first with cleveland and suburbs seeing the changes between the second and last week of March.

Ray

Why do you single ME out, hookbill? Don't sahoot the messenger! I just reported what I read from OMW and WKYC. I'd expect Frank Macek to know what he is talking about since WKYC has close contact with TW through the Akron-Canton news.

nickdawg, no harm meant really. I picked on you because you were so intense on the whole thing yesterday. Which caused me to get intense. And a couple of others as well. So after I made the phone call and got the straight story I decided to point to you. It really wasn't meant to be mean but I could see how when you read it you would think that. I should have put an emotion up there.

I apologize for picking on you. And I accept your apology for getting me all worked up.

Oh, wait. You haven't had the opportunity to do that yet. Well, now you don't have to bother because I've already accepted it.:)

BTW, OMW is a great source and I use them all the time too. That's why I believed you when you said it would happen all at once.

Sorry it took so long to get this to you. I had it all written out and the cable went down.

WOW, HELL of a channel realignment Time Warner!! :D:D:D

Let's see, every channel is the same excepr that WE and Oxygen are moved. I aslo am getting MTV2 on the analog side. Still isn't mapped to digital 34.

Time Warner = DIRTY F***ING LIARS!!!

Last time I checked a dictionary, "On or About" gives you some leeway.


WOW, HELL of a channel realignment Time Warner!! :D:D:D

Let's see, every channel is the same excepr that WE and Oxygen are moved. I aslo am getting MTV2 on the analog side. Still isn't mapped to digital 34.

Time Warner = DIRTY F***ING LIARS!!!

WOW, HELL of a channel realignment Time Warner!! :D:D:D

Let's see, every channel is the same excepr that WE and Oxygen are moved. I aslo am getting MTV2 on the analog side. Still isn't mapped to digital 34.

Time Warner = DIRTY F***ING LIARS!!!

I hate coming to any cable companies defense but first we had this little thing called an ice storm to deal with. It knocked out power at my house at around 1:00 am. Then, just as I was writing my apology to you the cable went down.

This is not going to be an easy thing to pull off. And you know when they change the message to "March-April" in cable terminology that could include May and June.:)

I beleive today's 1pm game is the first Indians preseason game televised on STO - anybody know if it's supposed to be in HD - and if it is, why DirecTV has not added a 657-1 HD channel to the lineup ? Every other RSN in the country has their HD channel mapped out in the guide except for of course, Cleveland :mad:

I beleive today's 1pm game is the first Indians preseason game televised on STO - anybody know if it's supposed to be in HD - and if it is, why DirecTV has not added a 657-1 HD channel to the lineup ? Every other RSN in the country has their HD channel mapped out in the guide except for of course, Cleveland :mad:

I don't think the pre season games are in HD. Sorry.

I don't think the pre season games are in HD. Sorry.

Ooops, guess you're right...

Tuesday, February 19, 2008
STO in HD....
This will be the season for us to transition into high definition television for the entire regular season. (Don't try to adjust your set during spring training - those games will still be in standard definition.)

http://www.wkyc.com/weblog/from_the_truck/2008/02/sto-in-hd.html

GAC analog channel 47 now has color bars on it. This was one of the channels slated to be moved to digital. TW may be taking care of the analog channels first before moving to the digital lineup.

Ooops, guess you're right...




Finally for the first time in weeks I got something right!:o

Actually, the Indians will be in HD on Friday, but on ESPN vs. the Mets.

But no HD on STO until the regular season.

5 paragraphs down:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/dhall030508.htm

Try the passives first, with amplification as a last resort. And if you do choose to amp it, make sure you get an amp that's two-way. A two-way amp contains diplexing filters that separate the forward and reverse bands and send each one in the appropriate direction.

Good luck and let us know how it works out.

Question...

If I have say a 4 way splitter that only has 3 cables plugged into it, would it affect performance rather than using a 3 way splitter?

Question...

If I have say a 4 way splitter that only has 3 cables plugged into it, would it affect performance rather than using a 3 way splitter?

The passive splitters I have seen have higher levels of dB loss the more outputs they have, so get a splitter with the minimum number of outputs needed.

My numbers are not exact, but it's something like this:
2 way splitter - 3.5db loss
3 way splitter - 5.5db loss
4 way splitter - 7db loss

For example check the list here:
http://www.cabletvamps.com/splitters.htm

The passive splitters I have seen have higher levels of dB loss the more outputs they have, so get a splitter with the minimum number of outputs needed.

My numbers are not exact, but it's something like this:
2 way splitter - 3.5db loss
3 way splitter - 5.5db loss
4 way splitter - 7db loss

For example check the list here:
http://www.cabletvamps.com/splitters.htm

What Paule123 said. :)

Can someone tell me if the latest hi-def, non-dvr, cable box from TimeWarner has a firewire port? I'm on the West Side of Cleveland.

Last time I checked a dictionary, "On or About" gives you some leeway.

In Columbus, TW has been moving AZN and Jewelry TV to the 100+s for "On or About" the last 5 months. To date neither has budged. In fact, the last announcement in our paper changed to keeping AZN until April - when it would be dropped altogether - and announced 4 new HD channels will be coming "On or About" 3/20, 1 of which - STO - we have already had for a couple of years. I'm not holding my breath.

- I refuse to put much stock in TW's announcements. If I didn't have such a tremendous deal from them, I would have jumped ship a long time ago.

Can someone tell me if the latest hi-def, non-dvr, cable box from TimeWarner has a firewire port? I'm on the West Side of Cleveland.

Don't know the answer to your question, but what are you hooking it up to? Firewire support is terrible. When I had the SA8300HD from WOW, even though firewire was enabled, it does not work with a Windows XP PC (only a Mac). Connected to my JVC DVHS deck all the recordings were filled with glitches. Then there's the issue of the copy protection flags being implemented properly. In short, firewire as currently implemented by the cable companies is a complete disaster.

For pissing me off to no end. I finally got to watch the latest episode on my DVR tonight. Not only are there precious few episodes of Jericho left, but you managed to ruin one of them. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Learn how to overlay election/weather graphics without switching off your HD feed. It was funny (not funny haha, but funny lame) to see the SD feed (on an HD channel) overlaid with election results graphics that said "19 Action News HD". What part of that was HD? Answer: none of it. And to top it all off, when CBS had it's own graphic overlay, it scrunched the picture even more. Election graphics within election graphics within an SD feed. Screw you.

You have no business randomly switching off the HD feed to show stupid crap like election graphics (Anyone interested would be watching CNN or reading about local results in the morning). Or stupid crap like weather warnings that permanently require an SD feed throughout a show. Chances are, if someone is watching Jericho, you don't have to keep the graphics on the whole time. Once after every commercial break would suffice. The graphics must not be important enough if you don't scrunch advertisers' commercials. Obviously we know what's more important to you.

Seriously, get new technology and don't flip on the SD feed for every freaking school closing/weather warning/election result. Other stations are doing it, so should you. Way to piss me off. Don't do it again during the last three episodes. You have been warned.

:mad:

Can someone tell me if the latest hi-def, non-dvr, cable box from TimeWarner has a firewire port? I'm on the West Side of Cleveland.

TW no longer issues non dvr HD boxes. They only offer the HDDVR at no additional cost. I don't know how the firewire port works on those but since they are the SA 8300 HDC I can tell you that they are not good machines.

My advice is to get either a TiVo S3 or TiVo HD. That way you can communicate with your computer either through USB or Wireless network.

I have a HD STB on one of my HDTV's and I plan on replaceing it with a TiVo HD. They offered me a free DVR recently but my experience with the SA 8300 is so bad I would never consider it.

TW no longer issues non dvr HD boxes. They only offer the HDDVR at no additional cost. I don't know how the firewire port works on those but since they are the SA 8300 HDC I can tell you that they are not good machines.

My advice is to get either a TiVo S3 or TiVo HD. That way you can communicate with your computer either through USB or Wireless network.

I have a HD STB on one of my HDTV's and I plan on replaceing it with a TiVo HD. They offered me a free DVR recently but my experience with the SA 8300 is so bad I would never consider it.

Actually I was able to get a refurbed TiVoHD for $185 delivered with 3 free months of service, and TimeWarner finally game me a decent deal on Digital cable with no movie channels. Timewarner is giving me two STB's without the PVR service with the deal that I got. Now I just pray I can get an M-Card with the installation!

Regarding the Firewire, I just want to be able to hook it up through my JVC D-VHS (like I used to with my Motorola 6412) and watch the Time Warner STB through that. That sucks about the copyright protection though. I always heard that about the 6412 though, and I had no problems with the copyright protection flag with the one I had.

Also, does the TiVoHD come with a regular network port? I never bothered to check the specs. I just assumed that it did.

TW no longer issues non dvr HD boxes. They only offer the HDDVR at no additional cost.


I've had an SA8300HD box from Adelphia/TWC for well over a year. I needed it only as an HDTV converter. The DVR features are turned off and I haven't paid the extra $7 a month for them. I pay $7.65 for the HDTV converter and 31 cents for its remote control.

Today I get a letter from Steven Fry telling me that TWC has neglected to charge me for the DVR that I have and will now add that charge to my bill, meanwhile sending me coupons for a discount(!) over the next three months. There is no mention of turning on the DVR feature, which I've never wanted.

So I called customer service and got "Tyrone" in the Dayton office, who had no knowledge of the SA8300HD--he didn't know it was a combined DVR/HDTV converter and insisted I must have gotten two pieces of equipment and hadn't been paying for one of them. He also didn't know anything about the new cable lineup (I had a pricing question) and couldn't find anything about it. When I asked to talk to a supervisor, Tyrone said he would take my phone number, but then he told me that the supervisor wouldn't call me back. Soon after that, he hung up on me.

I wrote this up and emailed it to Steve Fry (thanks to whoever posted his email address here a few days ago). We'll see if he can resolve this without my having to make a needless trip to a TWC service center.

Well, it's 11:35. Think it will happen tonight? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Timewarner is giving me two STB's without the PVR service with the deal that I got. Now I just pray I can get an M-Card with the installation!


I might be reading into this a bit too much, but are you hoping to move the card from the STB to the Tivo? I'm about 99% sure this won't work w/o TWC's blessing - the card serial numbers have to match with the STB or Tivo serial number in TWC's computers. I have two S-cards in my TivoHD, and even just swapping them makes everything break.


Also, does the TiVoHD come with a regular network port? I never bothered to check the specs. I just assumed that it did.

It does have an ethernet port on it - I believe it's 10/100.

I wrote this up and emailed it to Steve Fry (thanks to whoever posted his email address here a few days ago). We'll see if he can resolve this without my having to make a needless trip to a TWC service center.

Hey if you guys keep this up, there won't be any CSR's left at TWC to answer your questions. :D

Be sure to thank Stevie fo being so helpful in telling us when this transition will happen!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Also, we are getting Navigator. Whenever your channel lineup card comes, the letter with it says the guide will be changing soon and more info will be sent.

I'm hoping for a BEST CASE SCENARIO and the "change" will be to SARA. :D:D:D:D:D

I might be reading into this a bit too much, but are you hoping to move the card from the STB to the Tivo? I'm about 99% sure this won't work w/o TWC's blessing - the card serial numbers have to match with the STB or Tivo serial number in TWC's computers. I have two S-cards in my TivoHD, and even just swapping them makes everything break.

You are reading into this too much.

It does have an ethernet port on it - I believe it's 10/100.

Thank you.

I've had an SA8300HD box from Adelphia/TWC for well over a year. I needed it only as an HDTV converter. The DVR features are turned off and I haven't paid the extra $7 a month for them. I pay $7.65 for the HDTV converter and 31 cents for its remote control.

Today I get a letter from Steven Fry telling me that TWC has neglected to charge me for the DVR that I have and will now add that charge to my bill, meanwhile sending me coupons for a discount(!) over the next three months. There is no mention of turning on the DVR feature, which I've never wanted.

So I called customer service and got "Tyrone" in the Dayton office, who had no knowledge of the SA8300HD--he didn't know it was a combined DVR/HDTV converter and insisted I must have gotten two pieces of equipment and hadn't been paying for one of them. He also didn't know anything about the new cable lineup (I had a pricing question) and couldn't find anything about it. When I asked to talk to a supervisor, Tyrone said he would take my phone number, but then he told me that the supervisor wouldn't call me back. Soon after that, he hung up on me.

I wrote this up and emailed it to Steve Fry (thanks to whoever posted his email address here a few days ago). We'll see if he can resolve this without my having to make a needless trip to a TWC service center.


If you can call customer service today and get a different rep. This dude doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. If you've had the DVR for a year, even without the service they will charge you for the rental of the box anyway. That's how TW rips people off.

You probably won't get a response from Mr. Fry but his secretary will shoot it out to whomever is suppose to handle it. They may offer you free DVR service but if you don't want to pay for it in a year, then don't accept it.

As I mentioned earlier they tried to get me to turn in my HDSTB for a DVR (with service "free") but I'm not going to do that. Once my income tax comes in I'll get a TiVo HD to replace it.

[QUOTE=nickdawg;13306642]Also, we are getting Navigator. Whenever your channel lineup card comes, the letter with it says the guide will be changing soon and more info will be sent.

I'm hoping for a BEST CASE SCENARIO and the "change" will be to SARA. :D:D:D:D:D[/QUOT

I don't understand. Are they telling you now you have to turn in your passport box?

There is a decent article about the TWC change today on www.ohio.com.

Here is part of what the article said.

"The changes will be gradual and continue into late March and early April, depending on where you live.

First up for change were the city of Green, New Franklin, Clinton and small parts of Barberton on Wednesday.

Kent, Rittman and Wadsworth are next, probably the week of March 10, when the cities of Akron and Canton should also see changes."

I appreciate all of your suggestions! I did email Steve Fry last night at the email address you provided, so I'll wait a day or two and see what happens next before trying one of the other ideas.

There is a decent article about the TWC change today on www.ohio.com.

Here is part of what the article said.

"The changes will be gradual and continue into late March and early April, depending on where you live.

First up for change were the city of Green, New Franklin, Clinton and small parts of Barberton on Wednesday.

Kent, Rittman and Wadsworth are next, probably the week of March 10, when the cities of Akron and Canton should also see changes."


Thanks for the info. First let me put a direct link so you don't have to search here (http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/16325291.html).

The article ends a bit disturbing. It talks about possible loss of pre recorded shows and recommends backing up to VHS or DVD. While back up is always a good idea in anything that has to do with digital or computer equipment, I wouldn't worry a great deal about that. However if you feel differently that's up to you.

Anyway do you really want to back up your HD shows to VHS?:eek:

WQHS's top tower light is out again! Who did you call last time?

Well I live in green, so I guess I will be the first to report when this happens, so far nothing, but I am hoping for tommorow!

[QUOTE=nickdawg;13306642]Also, we are getting Navigator. Whenever your channel lineup card comes, the letter with it says the guide will be changing soon and more info will be sent.

I'm hoping for a BEST CASE SCENARIO and the "change" will be to SARA. :D:D:D:D:D[/QUOT

I don't understand. Are they telling you now you have to turn in your passport box?

No. There is a version of Navigator that can be downloaded on the existing boxes. One version-ODN(OCAP Digital Navigator) has used for the new OCAP boxes since last July. Another version-MDN(Mystro Digital Navigator) is used on the "legacy" non-OCAP boxes.

Unless TW ever decides to do a MAJOR upgrade to the system(like going MPEG4), they won't recall the boxes. Any box originally issued/activaed before 7/1/07 can still be used. Just new non-OCAP boxes can be manufactured or issued.:mad:

[QUOTE=hookbill;13307435]

No. There is a version of Navigator that can be downloaded on the existing boxes. One version-ODN(OCAP Digital Navigator) has used for the new OCAP boxes since last July. Another version-MDN(Mystro Digital Navigator) is used on the "legacy" non-OCAP boxes.

Unless TW ever decides to do a MAJOR upgrade to the system(like going MPEG4), they won't recall the boxes. Any box originally issued/activaed before 7/1/07 can still be used. Just new non-OCAP boxes can be manufactured or issued.:mad:

Oh god, that sucks big time. Sorry to hear that nickdawg. But don't forget you can defeat the evil cable company with that TiVo HD ;).

The passive splitters I have seen have higher levels of dB loss the more outputs they have, so get a splitter with the minimum number of outputs needed.

My numbers are not exact, but it's something like this:
2 way splitter - 3.5db loss
3 way splitter - 5.5db loss
4 way splitter - 7db loss

For example check the list here:
http://www.cabletvamps.com/splitters.htm

I've often picked a few of these up bad out of the box (wonder why, all made in china if that matters), reason I'm hesitant on splitting my roof antenna since it is servicing 6 other units, smaller antenna & it still gets the job done, I'm split somewhere internally also. I figured it would be the end on 19 If I split it, my place is still internally wired with RG59.

Might want to add, watch the Frequency range on these splitters, & terminate unused branches with a terminator.

I had the exact same results when using an amplified, directional attic antenna and a very good HDTV stb tuner (all digital stations came in fine except 3 & 19 which were hit and miss, pixelated, weak signal). When I went to a much smaller, outdoor, non-directional antenna I now get all channels without issue. Obviously I still don't get WVIZ. :mad:

I've yet to see 55 WBNX ever display any OTA data whatsoever, but it did properly map to 55-1.

Funny when I tested an Insignia TV it did Map & gave info, but a Sony wouldn't. I've deleted it & rescanned, but still won't map it to 55.1... flaws in the system, On the station end or my STB I wonder?

I currently am a digital subscriber and I use the QAM tuner in my TV for local HD channels and TNT, HD Theater, and HD Bonus. I was waiting to get the non-DVR box (because it would be free) but that is looking like it will never happen. I spoke with a sales person and she said that when i get the non-dvr box or even a dvr box i would get more HD channels as in ESPN,ESPN2, TBS etc for no additional cost. Is this true that there is no fee for those HD channels?

I guess i was under the impression that it cost extra for those channels but since it doesn't it somewhat justifies me getting the DVR box since I thought i would have to pay for the additional channels.

I currently am a digital subscriber and I use the QAM tuner in my TV for local HD channels and TNT, HD Theater, and HD Bonus. I was waiting to get the non-DVR box (because it would be free) but that is looking like it will never happen. I spoke with a sales person and she said that when i get the non-dvr box or even a dvr box i would get more HD channels as in ESPN,ESPN2, TBS etc for no additional cost. Is this true that there is no fee for those HD channels?

I guess i was under the impression that it cost extra for those channels but since it doesn't it somewhat justifies me getting the DVR box since I thought i would have to pay for the additional channels.

The only channels you pay additional for on HD anymore is HDnet, HDmovies, Mojo, and Universal. Those channels are 5 bucks more. All other HD channels are free.

The only channels you pay additional for on HD anymore is HDnet, HDmovies, Mojo, and Universal. Those channels are 5 bucks more. All other HD channels are free.

Thanks for the quick response. Man I'm used to the old days where ESPN was extra. I can't wait for the girlfriend to come home and tell her we can get DVR and more HD channels for only $7 (cost of the DVR). I don't need to mention the channels are free, do I? :)

Hello all I just purchase a RCA indoor HDTV antenna and I must say it works really well I receive channel 5 & 8 in perfect HD, but I cannot get channel 3 at all on HD. Is there something going on with their HD signal. Thanks for any info. I live 25 to 30 miles west of Cleveland.

Hello all I just purchase a RCA indoor HDTV antenna and I must say it works really well I receive channel 5 & 8 in perfect HD, but I cannot get channel 3 at all on HD. Is there something going on with their HD signal. Thanks for any info. I live 25 to 30 miles west of Cleveland.

I don't know much about OTA but take a look at www.antennaeweb.org. They will give you some idea of what your reception chances are. And there are lots of guys who can tell you about different antennaes and stuff. Just not me.

Thanks for the quick response. Man I'm used to the old days where ESPN was extra. I can't wait for the girlfriend to come home and tell her we can get DVR and more HD channels for only $7 (cost of the DVR). I don't need to mention the channels are free, do I? :)

I always feel it's my duty to inform people that the DVR that TW gives is a real pos and this new software they are using called navigator is not getting any rave reviews.

However if you've never had a DVR before you may think it's sweet. If it works OK for you, records like it's suppose to, and you don't notice that your picture now is full of pixelation and macroblocking then you will be very happy. But there are better things available (see my signature).

I always feel it's my duty to inform people that the DVR that TW gives is a real pos and this new software they are using called navigator is not getting any rave reviews.

However if you've never had a DVR before you may think it's sweet. If it works OK for you, records like it's suppose to, and you don't notice that your picture now is full of pixelation and macroblocking then you will be very happy. But there are better things available (see my signature).

I have followed this thread for a little bit now and have noticed where you stand. Actually i have question about that. Say i were to switch to Tivo. Would you be able to tell me off hand how much it would cost a month to use it as my DVR and get those ESPN channels and what not? I understand that there is the initial cost of the box which i dont mind.

I have followed this thread for a little bit now and have noticed where you stand. Actually i have question about that. Say i were to switch to Tivo. Would you be able to tell me off hand how much it would cost a month to use it as my DVR and get those ESPN channels and what not? I understand that there is the initial cost of the box which i dont mind.

When you think of buying a TiVo you have to look at the big picture. Advantages and disadvantages. First lets talk about SDV. That's what cable will be using to add HD channels so they can compete with D*. TiVo's hardware is not capable of two way communication, however cable companies and TiVo are working to produce a USB device that will plug into your TiVo so that you can use SDV. This is suppose to be available second quarter of this year. What the cable company charges for it is anyones guess but figure 7 bucks. I don't know if you will be able to use on demand, but I don't see why not.

Right now however in our area there is no SDV and I don't think there will be for a while so hopefully the USB device will be available by that time. Either way not all HD channels, or digital channels for that matter will all be SDV when it does happen. And you will get every channel that you get with the cable DVR. That's by law, so if something doesn't work they got to fix it. Unless of course you have a bad TiVo but generally it's the cable company's fault.

NowTiVo wants to give you a free DVR but the truth is they will in one year start charging you for using that DVR 7.00. The same as the USB.:) Also you don't pay for the DVR service because it's not your DVR that you are using.

You will pay for the cable cards. Mine are suppose to be 3.50 each however at one time they were suppose to be 1.99 for the one and 4.99 for the second one. Right around 7 dollars. TW likes that number. But they only charge me 2.50 each. This seems to change with other people who have TW so I can't tell you what that will cost for sure.

Then you have to pay for TiVo Service. I bought a 3 year package for 299.00. You can also pay by the month but I'm not sure what that is.

What you get for your service is a much better interface, better search features, TiVo to Go (watch on another device) Tivo to Come Back (like AVI films). If you have a wireless network you can move your shows from your DVR to your Computer or any other TiVo. If you have a laptop you can run a USB to your laptop and have TiVo use the internet to get your guide. You can program on line. You can set up "Season Passes" with choices of "first run only, or first run and repeats." You can download movies from Amazon.com directly to your TiVo. You can set up a "wishlist" to either find programs that arn't currently available and auto record them or maybe if like me you like to watch concerts you can scroll through "HD Music" and pick what you like to record.

There are lots of other bells and whistles but the main reason for my buying a TiVo is reliability. With the SA 8300 I would get partial recordings, no recordings, massive macroblocking and sound drop offs. Heck I didn't know what good HD was until I got my TiVo. You get a longer guide. More disk space. It makes you bacon and eggs in the morning. Well, OK that's not true.:p

People in the TiVo forum actually say it pays for itself in the long run. I never did the math so I can't say that. All I know is TiVo is so much more then just a DVR. I play my music that I have on my computer through it via optical digital to my amplifier.

You can probably demo a TiVo at a big box store. If you do and you get the SA 8300 you will send it packing so fast. Just trying to find a show is a major headache.

I will also tell you that many people have the SA 8300 and tell me they never experienced the problems I did as far as recordings. However many have also told me they have.

You want great HD, a reliable DVR. Get a TiVo. I'm partial to the S3 but the TiVo HD is a great box for the money.

Thanks for the quick response. Man I'm used to the old days where ESPN was extra. I can't wait for the girlfriend to come home and tell her we can get DVR and more HD channels for only $7 (cost of the DVR). I don't need to mention the channels are free, do I? :)

They are charging $7.96 a month for the SA8300HD, which is a combination HD converter and DVR, PLUS there is an additional $6.95 a month for having the DVR feature in operation.

Today a customer service rep told me that anybody who has the SA8300HD will have their DVR service turned on soon, whether they want it or not, and they will have to pay the $6.95 a month. TWNEO does offer a converter that doesn't have a DVR built in; they will be happy to rent you one of those, but there is a three-month waiting list for them, and meanwhile they intend to charge the $6.95 a month for the DVR service that you may or may not want, on top of the $7.96 charge for the HD converter.

They are charging $7.96 a month for the SA8300HD, which is a combination HD converter and DVR, PLUS there is an additional $6.95 a month for having the DVR feature in operation.

Today a customer service rep told me that anybody who has the SA8300HD will have their DVR service turned on soon, whether they want it or not, and they will have to pay the $6.95 a month. TWNEO does offer a converter that doesn't have a DVR built in; they will be happy to rent you one of those, but there is a three-month waiting list for them, and meanwhile they intend to charge the $6.95 a month for the DVR service that you may or may not want, on top of the $7.96 charge for the HD converter.

Yeah, that's why they sent me the letter saying they wanted to "upgrade" me to a DVR service because I do have a HD STB. Actually the DVR would have been free....for a while though they don't say that. And then they would hit you with the DVR charge.

Tax refunds are coming and when they get here I will give them their STB back. Of course I will replace it with an HD TiVo.:)

They are charging $7.96 a month for the SA8300HD, which is a combination HD converter and DVR, PLUS there is an additional $6.95 a month for having the DVR feature in operation.

Today a customer service rep told me that anybody who has the SA8300HD will have their DVR service turned on soon, whether they want it or not, and they will have to pay the $6.95 a month. TWNEO does offer a converter that doesn't have a DVR built in; they will be happy to rent you one of those, but there is a three-month waiting list for them, and meanwhile they intend to charge the $6.95 a month for the DVR service that you may or may not want, on top of the $7.96 charge for the HD converter.

See the lady i spoke with was saying my bill would only increase $7.20 if i got the dvr box (could have been hiding something). Now I will ask again when i go to get the DVR box though. From my understanding though the non-dvr box is free.

The thing is i dont even know if its worth discussing because the numbers she gave me differ completely from what is on the flier i got yesterday. It is all just so comical. I will let you guys know what happens tomorrow after i stop by TW.

Thanks Hook for the Tivo/TW DVR information. I will have to digest it for a night or two and certainly do some research of my own. For the time being i will test out the SA 8300 and see if it meets my needs, while looking for the cons you spoke about.

Thanks Hook for the Tivo/TW DVR information. I will have to digest it for a night or two and certainly do some research of my own. For the time being i will test out the SA 8300 and see if it meets my needs, while looking for the cons you spoke about.

You never know what your missing if you don't actually use it. That's why many people don't question the cable DVR, many even call it a TiVo.

I say hey, if you like it and it suits your purposes then go for it.

One of the reasons I was so displeased with it to start was I had been using D* prior to moving to NEO and it had TiVo software. So when I saw the SA 8300 it was kind of like driving a BMW and now here's this Pinto. Still I would have kept it if not for the recording issues. I thought all that macroblocking and pixelation was just normal for HD.

Kent, Rittman and Wadsworth are next, probably the week of March 10, when the cities of Akron and Canton should also see changes."

No No No!!! :)

I'm dreading this here in Wadsworth Township. TWC seems unable to keep the basic service operational compared to my previous providers. We went through a month of signal quality issues that they couldn't figure out even with multiple supervisors visiting.

I'll set my expectations low...perhaps they'll exceed them for once. :)

If anyone hasn't noticed already, WOIO is finally using HD graphics overlay unstead of SD'ing everything. They were using tonight during Letterman.

Just got off the phone with Time Warner CSR......Was informed by her the realignment has not started anywhere yet.....She wasn't sure why........looks like more false promises from TWC........now their talking about this taking all the way into late April........If I have to wait till the end of April for these new HD channels that will be the last straw for me.......Good Bye TWC.........

Thanks Hook for the Tivo/TW DVR information. I will have to digest it for a night or two and certainly do some research of my own. For the time being i will test out the SA 8300 and see if it meets my needs, while looking for the cons you spoke about.

As an abridged side comment, let me say....

I have an SD SA8300, replaced a goofy SA8300HD with a TivoHD several months ago, and by far prefer the Tivo's interface and reliablity to either of the SA boxes. The 8300HD was horrible, the SD 8300 is borderline "acceptable". The Tivo blows the pants off both of them.

Hello all I just purchase a RCA indoor HDTV antenna and I must say it works really well I receive channel 5 & 8 in perfect HD, but I cannot get channel 3 at all on HD. Is there something going on with their HD signal. Thanks for any info. I live 25 to 30 miles west of Cleveland.

Channel 3 broadcasts on VHF 2 which will be extremely difficult to pull in with an indoor antenna at your location. If you bought a UHF only antenna it will be next to impossible to pull in VHF 2. Don't forget that there is no such thing as a "HDTV antenna" since digital television is broadcast on the good ol' fashioned VHF and UHF. As hookbill said, check out antennaweb.org or http://www.tvfool.com/

Just got off the phone with Time Warner CSR......Was informed by her the realignment has not started anywhere yet.....She wasn't sure why........looks like more false promises from TWC........now their talking about this taking all the way into late April........If I have to wait till the end of April for these new HD channels that will be the last straw for me.......Good Bye TWC.........

Well, that's just not true. And never believe anything that at CSR at TW tells you. They basically blow smoke because they don't know anything.

Your new around here so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.:)

Just because you don't see it happening doesn't mean it isn't going on behind the scenes. I've got good contacts at TW and the realignment has started. That doesn't mean they haven't ran into issues.

It will start with the old original TWC areas first and move on from there. Now as to whether or not you want to change TW for another company that's up to you. I'd suggest D*.

Also if it's because you're waiting on these few new channels they are offering and that's got you upset I can tell you right now that you will not see a great deal of HD programming on The History Channel. I mean think about it, it's the HISTORY channel. How much HD can you expect from a channel that deals with items from the past, before there was HD. Would you like ESPN Classic in HD? Nothing like watching an old baseball game that has two cameras in black and white in HD. The CW? That one I want but they still haven't started any new shows for Supernatural. And Food and H&G I just could care less.

Oh and my contact at TW told me your area is the last one they will do. Should happen on April 30th.

Naw, Just kidding.:D

Before I lost my common sense on 3/4/08 I had a good idea that the realignment would not happen at one time, probably take much longer then they said it would and with all the different areas that Adelphia never unified in the first place would make it like "mission impossible."

No this post will not self destruct.:cool:

Anyway if any of you are unhappy about this transition like gregshoh is then by all means fire TW. I would if I didn't have a line of site problem. I'd keep their cable internet however.

Direct TV has a good DVR, more HD, and TW simply can't compete with them.

U-Verse would be OK if you don't mind getting just one HD signal at a time. I do.

But TW will go as slow as they want in adding HD channels until they lose customers. So since I'm stuck with them and I can't do anything about it please fire TW. Do it for me. I want more HD too.

And no you can't come over and cut down the trees. Well, you can try but don't expect me to pay your medical bills when my wife finds out about it (and I will tell, because I'm not taking the blame) and takes a chain saw to your limbs.

This gives me a great idea for a new addition to my signature.:)

This gives me a great idea for a new addition to my signature.:)
Well, what's you new signature addition? Do we have to wait until next month for you to roll it out?:)

Well, what's you new signature addition? Do we have to wait until next month for you to roll it out?:)

I didn't say when I would change it.;)

Actually I tired and it won't let me change. Perhaps I'm not allowed to say TW or something on the signature.

I was going to add: Get me more HD. Fire TW today!

just in case you were on the edge of your seats nothing yet....remember I am in green so I should be first....and with 12-17 inches of snow coming, I dont think its going to be this weekend, maybe next week?

just in case you were on the edge of your seats nothing yet....remember I am in green so I should be first....and with 12-17 inches of snow coming, I dont think its going to be this weekend, maybe next week?

Stuart628, first I'm not the brightest bulb in the socket but you could be a little more clear. On your previous post I didn't know what the heck you were talking about. I thought you were talking about the light being out on the tower. Now on the post you just quoted I realized you were talking about the lineup change.

I figured it out because I looked at the thread I had reposted and saw that there is a City of Green or twp or something. Anyway I had no idea what you were saying when you said you were in "green". And not using caps on a city makes it a bit more confusing.

Help and old man out. Quote something or make it just a bit more clear. :)

*Programming Note:

Program: History of the Cleveland Browns: Profile of the first 50 years of the Browns franchise with Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Otto Graham and Marion Motley.
Channel: NFL Network HD
Date: Today (3/7/08)
Time: 4:30pm-5:30pm

I just set my DVR to record via DirecTV's new online DVR scheduler. Just in case I am stuck in snow and don't make it home from work on time tonight, I will rest easy knowing that this will be waiting for me when I get home.

Go Browns!

uh oh....

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/07/digital-realignment-in-ohio-could-wreak-havoc-on-twc-dvrs/

uh oh....

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/07/digital-realignment-in-ohio-could-wreak-havoc-on-twc-dvrs/


Already discussed in a previous thread. As I said earlier back up is always a good idea on anything electronic but I doubt it's going to "delete" recorded shows. TW is doing the right thing in advsing people to back up just in case. It will cause all kinds of problems for recording shows.

Now if you own a TiVo the best way to avoid this is to take your season passes and make them into Wishlist. Wishlist are not channel specific. Also if your a TiVo owner and your concerned about loss of programs you can back them over to your computer unless they are protected. I have one show that is protected, and thats a hd calibration show that is shown on HDnet every two weeks. Anyway right now I only have 28 recordings and out of those the only ones I really care about are Jericho and Lost. I've got quite a few Big Brother and Survivor but those are the wife's shows and geeze, I'd be really sorry if I lost those.:rolleyes:

Now my Judge Judy recordings. I may have to consider transfering those along with my Jericho and Lost. Oh I see Dirt is on there too. I may transfer that one too.

Stuart628, first I'm not the brightest bulb in the socket but you could be a little more clear. On your previous post I didn't know what the heck you were talking about. I thought you were talking about the light being out on the tower. Now on the post you just quoted I realized you were talking about the lineup change.

I figured it out because I looked at the thread I had reposted and saw that there is a City of Green or twp or something. Anyway I had no idea what you were saying when you said you were in "green". And not using caps on a city makes it a bit more confusing.

Help and old man out. Quote something or make it just a bit more clear. :)

Sorry Hook!! I was talking about the digital channel Realignment. I was running out the door to try and get to work, so I was in a bit of a rush. I have seen no movement on the channel realignment, and dont think they will do this over the weekend/in a storm. I am willing to bet the first we see any movement now is next monday night.

Time Warner Cable-Northeast Ohio-Akron/Legacy System
Changes as of 3/7/08:

Added:
*399 TWCNEO-Channel lineup change information
*17 ACCESS (24/7 Paid Programming)

Deleted:
*150 Disney Channel West Coast feed
*358-365 Showtime West Coast Feeds
*372 TMC West
*373 TMC2 West
*460 PUMA(Spanish language)
*463 Sopresa(Spanish language)
*71 Inspirational (MIA)
*99(STB only) Was ACCESS network-Paid Program channel moved to 17
*79(non-STB only) Another location of ACCESS network
*47 GAC Analog channel showing color bars

Moved:
Digital==>Analog:
*MTV2: Currently on Digital 126 and Analog 34
*Jewlery TV: Still on Digital 158; also on Analog 75(w/o STB only)
75 w/STB is TV Guide channel

Change in position only:
*Oxygen: Moved from Analog 78 to Analog 71(formerly Inspirational)
*WE: Moved from Analog 77 to Analog 70(formerly CSPAN2)

"Dead" Channels:
1 Time Warner ONE: Green screen
180 FOX Ohio: color bars
1500 Sports Time Ohio On Demand *FREE* Barker channel with message
to tune to channel 1111

I would have assumed that one of the first things we would notice when the change is getting close, is the addition of WBNX HD. Probably on QAM channel 55-1. It should be in the clear since it's local, and it should probably be on everyone's line-up. I haven't seen anything yet. Anyone else?

Now if you own a TiVo the best way to avoid this is to take your season passes and make them into Wishlist. Wishlist are not channel specific.
Hey hookbill,

On the TiVo, I don't think you have to worry about channel changes at all. It "automagically" takes care of it for you. For example, I had a bunch of season passes setup when I subscribed to TW digital cable. When I cancelled Digital cable and setup OTA, the season passes continued to work without any action on my part. To this day they still reference the old channel number in the decription, but they record on the new OTA channels. I think TiVo references something in the program description to record rather than the channel number.

Will they be changing the physical channels of the current digital channels?

I only use clear QAM services via a PC (because my TV sucks at 480i/1080i input and because I spend most of my time watching broadcast content).

Hey hookbill,

On the TiVo, I don't think you have to worry about channel changes at all. It "automagically" takes care of it for you. For example, I had a bunch of season passes setup when I subscribed to TW digital cable. When I cancelled Digital cable and setup OTA, the season passes continued to work without any action on my part. To this day they still reference the old channel number in the decription, but they record on the new OTA channels. I think TiVo references something in the program description to record rather than the channel number.

I was thinking the same thing. I think the SPs are tied to the "call letters" rather than the channel number. This only becomes problematic if you move to a market with different locals. I turned to wish lists for local programs when I was moving from school and back to get around this "limitation".

Hey hookbill,

On the TiVo, I don't think you have to worry about channel changes at all. It "automagically" takes care of it for you. For example, I had a bunch of season passes setup when I subscribed to TW digital cable. When I cancelled Digital cable and setup OTA, the season passes continued to work without any action on my part. To this day they still reference the old channel number in the decription, but they record on the new OTA channels. I think TiVo references something in the program description to record rather than the channel number.

Really! You never set up new SP's for the OTA's and it still recorded them for you. Wow, isn't TiVo amazing.

As far as I know SP's are channel specific so I don't know how that could be possible. But obviously it must be true. I'll have to research that a bit more. Perhaps because the call letters were the same? If it's based on that then no change would be necessary.

Edit: terryfoster beat me to the punch.

Now isn't TiVo just amazing. Have fun making all those recording changes SA 8300 people!

I would have assumed that one of the first things we would notice when the change is getting close, is the addition of WBNX HD. Probably on QAM channel 55-1. It should be in the clear since it's local, and it should probably be on everyone's line-up. I haven't seen anything yet. Anyone else?

I was thinking the same thing re: WBNX-HD. I watch my HD via QAM on TW in Canton. I have an ATSC/QAM stb hooked up to the tv in my kids play room. It does a channel scan very quickly, about 5 minutes I think. So, at least once a day, usually around 12am-2am, I just have that tuner do a rescan. Nothing yet, but I'll be sure to post as soon as I see anything.

I was thinking the same thing re: WBNX-HD. I watch my HD via QAM on TW in Canton. I have an ATSC/QAM stb hooked up to the tv in my kids play room. It does a channel scan very quickly, about 5 minutes I think. So, at least once a day, usually around 12am-2am, I just have that tuner do a rescan. Nothing yet, but I'll be sure to post as soon as I see anything.

I have to admit I don't know rick490 quite as well as you but you of all people should know that the aim of any cable company is not to make you a happy customer but to make as much money as they can at your expense.;)

I would agree that if it shows up at all you guys with the qam will see it first so keep an eye open.

I would have assumed that one of the first things we would notice when the change is getting close, is the addition of WBNX HD. Probably on QAM channel 55-1. It should be in the clear since it's local, and it should probably be on everyone's line-up. I haven't seen anything yet. Anyone else?

That assumes they pass or use the PSIP data to remap the channel and program id TWC distributes WBNX-DT. You may have better luck running a channel scan and then performing a visual scan for the channel.

Laugh all you want, but at least I'm not going to be stuck with a $900 outdated piece of crap in a few years.

Can anyone say Tivo Series 4????

Can anyone say MPEG4??

It's coming. I saw a new Scientific Atlanta STB that is MPEG4 capable.

Laugh all you want, but at least I'm not going to be stuck with a $900 outdated piece of crap in a few years.

Can anyone say Tivo Series 4????

Can anyone say MPEG4??

It's coming. I saw a new Scientific Atlanta STB that is MPEG4 capable.

nickdawg, why do you keep saying 900.00? The TiVo HD is 250.00 and the S3 I've seen around 400.00. Do you feel so inferior with that piece of garbage your stuck with now that you have to make up stories about TiVo's price that are misleading?

The only outdated piece of crap on the market now is the SA 8300. And just because you've seen a new SA STB that's MPEG4 capable gives me absolutely no confidence that it will be any better then any other piece of crap they have offered up in the past.

And as far as the TiVo Series 4 I'm just hearing about that now. Since we don't use mpeg 4 on our cable system I'm not concerned. Heck they can't even do a cable lineup change over, what makes you think that mpeg 4 is right around the corner.

I think MPEG4 would probably be the most costly route for cable to go right now. Their equipment in the field supports SDV which would be the most economical move for them to make right now. I'm guessing cable will do as little as possible to keep as many subscribers as they can (not that this strategy is different from any other business out in the market).

The MPEG4 equipment from SA looks like it's being adopted by IPTV along with cable in the UK (from my very brief Google search).

So if cable does consider rolling out MPEG4, they'll first start by phasing in the MPEG4 equipment as equipment is upgraded/replaced. Once they get enough participation on the MPEG4 equipment, then they'll probably start switching over to MPEG4.

By the time cable makes this move, replacing a S3 or TiVo HD won't be such a bad thing as the equipment will likely be ~4-5 years old at that point....

Sorry Hook!! I was talking about the digital channel Realignment. I was running out the door to try and get to work, so I was in a bit of a rush. I have seen no movement on the channel realignment, and dont think they will do this over the weekend/in a storm. I am willing to bet the first we see any movement now is next monday night.

Just something I just noticed. You see I never heard of the City of Green. Except in your post, and wouldn't you know it they are talking about it on FOX 8 HD news as I write this.

Unfortunately, it appears the reason they are talking about them is your city is out of salt. But your not the only one.

I think MPEG4 would probably be the most costly route for cable to go right now. Their equipment in the field supports SDV which would be the most economical move for them to make right now. I'm guessing cable will do as little as possible to keep as many subscribers as they can (not that this strategy is different from any other business out in the market).

The MPEG4 equipment from SA looks like it's being adopted by IPTV along with cable in the UK (from my very brief Google search).

So if cable does consider rolling out MPEG4, they'll first start by phasing in the MPEG4 equipment as equipment is upgraded/replaced. Once they get enough participation on the MPEG4 equipment, then they'll probably start switching over to MPEG4.

By the time cable makes this move, replacing a S3 or TiVo HD won't be such a bad thing as the equipment will likely be ~4-5 years old at that point....

Thanks for that response. I certainly didn't see it happening anytime soon.

And I'll bet you won't see a certain person who started this respond either.

You know there are people out there that still use there Series 1 TiVos. Just because something new comes along doesn't mean your S3 or TiVo HD will become a door stop.

Of course they were saying that when the S3 came out long before the USB dongle was discussed. They complained that on the S3 you couldn't search for HD shows. You can now. They also said the S3 would never have TiVo to Go. Or be capable of eSATA. Or multi room viewing. The fact is that it not only can do all those things now and a heck of alot more.

Unfortunately yes, you do need to pay for these features. And I would never have spent the money I spent on the TiVo if the SA 8300 would only do one thing. Record what I wanted, when I wanted it too and not have it look like a bunch of gobly gook messed up digital signals.

Oh. I guess that's 3 things. Well then lets just say if the SA 8300 worked correctly.

My TiVo Series One that I bought from UBid in early 2001 is still huming along!

The city of Green is the old Green Township, down in southern Summit County. I think it managed to swallow the old village (?) of Greensburg, but not Greentown, which is nearby but in Stark County.

When it started growing like weeds...they had to make it a city.

OT: The TWC outpost there is the former Marks Cablevision.

OT: The TWC outpost there is the former Marks Cablevision.


Correct me if I'm wrong but when TW got involved in that area they actually went through the trouble of aligning the channels with other companies they acquired. Which is why they want to start this at their base facility.

As we all know Adelphia did absolutely nothing to properly align channels. Well, they may have assigned some HD tiers to the same numbers but that was it.

Acquired Comcast to the best of my knowledge had their channel line up the same.

So TW is faced still with a very tough task. I'm sure they will pull it off but April makes more sense to me, specially for Adelphia folks then March.

One other comment: Old Comcast customers seem very unhappy with TW. While I never think any cable company is really a "good" company I think TW has done a pretty decent job all and all since it acquired Adelphia, whom I thought had the worst customer service I have ever seen.

If I was a Comcast customer and got acquired by TW I know I would have been really p.o.'d. After all, they are getting TiVo software for their DVR boxes. Now they have to put up with this Navigator crap. Sad.:(

Correct me if I'm wrong but when TW got involved in that area they actually went through the trouble of aligning the channels with other companies they acquired. Which is why they want to start this at their base facility.

CableOne was in there somewhere, but overall, I think you're right...they (mostly) aligned the former Marks system with either Akron or Canton. There are some differences, but not many. I'll have to ask a relative of mine who works for TWC, who came in via CableOne...

I think TWC wants, eventually, to have the Lakeside (Cleveland-ex-Adelphia) facility to be the "hub" system, but since Akron/Canton is the "legacy" system as they call it, it's easier to make the changes there first, then migrate them to the merged systems...I'm assuming.

Well, that's just not true. And never believe anything that at CSR at TW tells you. They basically blow smoke because they don't know anything.

Your new around here so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.:)

Just because you don't see it happening doesn't mean it isn't going on behind the scenes. I've got good contacts at TW and the realignment has started. That doesn't mean they haven't ran into issues.

It will start with the old original TWC areas first and move on from there. Now as to whether or not you want to change TW for another company that's up to you. I'd suggest D*.

Also if it's because you're waiting on these few new channels they are offering and that's got you upset I can tell you right now that you will not see a great deal of HD programming on The History Channel. I mean think about it, it's the HISTORY channel. How much HD can you expect from a channel that deals with items from the past, before there was HD. Would you like ESPN Classic in HD? Nothing like watching an old baseball game that has two cameras in black and white in HD. The CW? That one I want but they still haven't started any new shows for Supernatural. And Food and H&G I just could care less.

Oh and my contact at TW told me your area is the last one they will do. Should happen on April 30th.

Naw, Just kidding.:D

Just because that was my first post doesn't mean I am new around here.......been reading these forums for over 2 years.........I also know the games TWC plays...........these good contacts might be just repeating to you
the lies they have heard from other TWC people...........as far as behind the scenes........what do they do behind the scenes before we see something?.......I don't want you to think I am upset with you......:)......I just don't believe it.........If I had proof that this has started I would probably be a little more patient.......another thing........correct me if I am wrong......what does 20 inches of snow got to do with anything? :confused:

Just because that was my first post doesn't mean I am new around here.......been reading these forums for over 2 years.........I also know the games TWC plays...........these good contacts might be just repeating to you
the lies they have heard from other TWC people...........as far as behind the scenes........what do they do behind the scenes before we see something?.......I don't want you to think I am upset with you......:)......I just don't believe it.........If I had proof that this has started I would probably be a little more patient.......another thing........correct me if I am wrong......what does 20 inches of snow got to do with anything? :confused:

First, your tone is polite so there is no reason for me to be upset. But the one contact that I have in headend doesn't lie to me. Now you can choose not to believe me that is up to you. This person doesn't tell me things that they either can't tell or does not know the answer to.

I guess the wording of my post led you to believe that I was told things were going on behind the scene. I wasn't. That was an assumption and a logical one at that, there is planning, testing etc. that has to or at least should occurre.

Oh my god it is snowing outside!:eek: I never even thought that would have anything to do with it, or that ice storm on Tuesday when the whole thing was suppose to start!;)

Of course I realize this is problem and I have mentioned Tuesdays ice storm in at least one post.

One other thing: it's not an insult to be called new. I don't care if you've been lurking for 5 years you only have made a couple of post so you"re new. It's not big deal.

I see gregshoh's point about the snow. It's not like TWC has to climb poles outside to make the mostly programming changes. Assuming there isn't power problems to the equipment, the weather shouldn't affect the switch-over that much. TWC published a schedule to the Akron-Beacon Journal and Ohio.com, which was posted here. If they ran into problems which would delay the switch, why not publish it.

I see gregshoh's point about the snow. It's not like TWC has to climb poles outside to make the mostly programming changes. Assuming there isn't power problems to the equipment, the weather shouldn't affect the switch-over that much. TWC published a schedule to the Akron-Beacon Journal and Ohio.com, which was posted here. If they ran into problems which would delay the switch, why not publish it.

How about the problem of people getting to work at TW? It still takes people to do the things that need to be done and if I could use a sick leave day, I wouldn't go in.:)

The one reason i could think of why the snow would cause a delay in this would be an increase of calls because of outages. When they do the channel realignment they are bound to get a lot of calls from people that haven't read the paper work or are not tech savy. So if they didnt delay their thinking might be that they wouldnt be able to handle all the calls from the outages due to snow/ice and the calls from the channel moves.

How about the problem of people getting to work at TW? It still takes people to do the things that need to be done and if I could use a sick leave day, I wouldn't go in.:)

When i picked up my box yesterday they were closing the building down early (Severance Circle).

The one reason i could think of why the snow would cause a delay in this would be an increase of calls because of outages. When they do the channel realignment they are bound to get a lot of calls from people that haven't read the paper work or are not tech savy. So if they didnt delay their thinking might be that they wouldnt be able to handle all the calls from the outages due to snow/ice and the calls from the channel moves.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking...:)

Cable One was green I believe (I think thats who we had when we moved here anyways)

Cable One was green I believe (I think thats who we had when we moved here anyways)

Yeah, that's the system that started as Marks Cablevision. I don't know what, if any, other companies intervened...I think it went Marks > CableOne > TWC directly.

When i picked up my box yesterday they were closing the building down early (Severance Circle).

Not to get OT, but I have a real appreciation for those who have to go out and work on outside plant during this kind of weather. They get called out when the weather is at it's absolute worst and have to work up in the air under the worst of conditions just so the rest of us will have power, phone, water and tv service. My hat is off to them.

I guess the wording of my post led you to believe that I was told things were going on behind the scene. I wasn't. That was an assumption and a logical one at that, there is planning, testing etc. that has to or at least should occurre.


I understand your point........but my assumption would be that the planning and testing, ect. would be done prior to March 4.........they release info to the press
saying people should start seeing changes on or around March 4 and just go into
blind........:eek:

I understand your point........but my assumption would be that the planning and testing, ect. would be done prior to March 4.........they release info to the press
saying people should start seeing changes on or around March 4 and just go into
blind........:eek:

Hey, I'm not going to defend the evil cable company. But the reality is that everyone of them does crap like this. Just like Comcast telling people they would have TiVo software in 2007. Not everyone has it.

And the funny part of this is they make their own headaches by doing crap like this. It increases phone calls, get's people p.o.'d. There's a certain person in this forum who is so upset I'm a bit concerned he may go over to a local office and start shooting the place up.:eek:

But I'm ok now, I took my meds.....I mean, I'm sure he won't.:D

You wern't serious about cable companies planning and testing ahead of time.....were you?;)

You wern't serious about cable companies planning and testing ahead of time.....were you?;)

:eek:......good point.....must have been half asleep......:p

While most of my frustration is with TWC.......I should say TWC NE Ohio........because I see
other states are different.........check out TWC in Texas.........they have a pretty nice line-up of HD channels and their prices are comparable to ours...........

While most of my frustration is with TWC.......I should say TWC NE Ohio........because I see
other states are different.........check out TWC in Texas.........they have a pretty nice line-up of HD channels and their prices are comparable to ours...........

And the reason they have such a nice line up is because in Austin and a couple other cities they are using full blown SDV. Now we can't have SDV until they align the cable channels. To start. Also they were the first to get SDV.

Again I don't want to defend the cable company but comparing TWC NEO with them is really apples and oranges. TW has only taken over all these companies for one year. Now while you may have been with TW longer, this is a complicated process.

So either you can be patient, get Direct TV, or move to Texas. Your choice.:)

Edit: Rochester NY also has a great deal of SDV. That's a bit closer.

Hey, I'm not going to defend the evil cable company. But the reality is that everyone of them does crap like this. Just like Comcast telling people they would have TiVo software in 2007. Not everyone has it........

Cable tv co's are like cell phone co's: They all SUCK, some just suck more than others! :D

It's sad when we consumers don't have a choice of "which is better" but rather a choice of "which one sucks less". ;)

WVIZ is screwed up again, doing that goofy scrolling thing with the video.

Please send your contributions so they can buy better equipment! :p

WVIZ is screwed up again, doing that goofy scrolling thing with the video.

Please send your contributions so they can buy better equipment! :p

I know your joking but I will never send another dime to a PBS station. After one contribution they started sending me mail that looked more like a bill then a request for a contribution. I began to expect a collection agency to start calling.:mad:

Plus I just got done spending 2 hours moving all that friggin snow off my driveway and I got a thousand other things to do, my wife is in NJ pissed at me because I told her "go ahead, change your flight for today" yesterday in the morning and I've already lost an hour because of this stupid daylight savings time, I'm tired, cold, dirty, and I'm starting a new job tomorrow. I have to go to the grocery store, vacuum the upstairs, downstairs, clean the cat boxes, clean the 10 bird cages. That should allow me enough time to watch one Judge Judy recording and go to bed.

And that's not even in HD but I tried to get back on topic....:(

WVIZ is STILL screwed up, it's been like this all afternoon, and the irony is they are doing their "PBS Cooks" fundraising show right now. It's totally unwatchable. I guess the engineer there takes Sundays off...

I know your joking but I will never send another dime to a PBS station. After one contribution they started sending me mail that looked more like a bill then a request for a contribution. I began to expect a collection agency to start calling.:mad:

Plus I just got done spending 2 hours moving all that friggin snow off my driveway and I got a thousand other things to do, my wife is in NJ pissed at me because I told her "go ahead, change your flight for today" yesterday in the morning and I've already lost an hour because of this stupid daylight savings time, I'm tired, cold, dirty, and I'm starting a new job tomorrow. I have to go to the grocery store, vacuum the upstairs, downstairs, clean the cat boxes, clean the 10 bird cages. That should allow me enough time to watch one Judge Judy recording and go to bed.


Well, it appears somebody needs an attitude adjustment.... :)

Looks like the Time Warner channel removal, err I mean REALIGNMENT is continuing today. Discovery Health, Fit TV and GAC are now gone. VC 47 (GAC) is completely gone, 68(Discovery Health) is now VH1 Classic and 72(Fit TV) is now Discovery Science. I don't really give a crap baout GAC(glad the stupid country music is gone, waste of bandwidth) or Fit TV(usually showed programs about yoga. That's why they have DVDs, waste of bandwidth) but I was pissed as f*** to see my Discovery Health gone. It doesn't make sense why that channel disappeared. The logical thing to do would be to map VH1 Classic to 68 and re-map Disc Health to 132(where VH1C used to be). I thought Time Warner was supposed to Think Like I Think!:rolleyes:

Although now all the channels that were supposed to move to the digital extra tier are there and all the channels that are supposed to move to the basic tier are in their positions as well. Maybe that big move is coming VERY soon?

For those of you interested in Food Network and HGTV, see the following:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080310/20080310005151.html?.v=1

For those not in the know, up until now, Food Network and HGTV ran separate HD channels with repetitive programming. Starting March 31st, the HD channels will be simulcasts of the main channels. Since not all older content is in HD, it'll be like National Geographic HD and other similar HD channels.

Thanks Nickdawg, keep us posted please. It'll be interesting to see what version of Navigator we'll receive as the lineup evolves.

For those of you interested in Food Network and HGTV, see the following:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080310/20080310005151.html?.v=1

For those not in the know, up until now, Food Network and HGTV ran separate HD channels with repetitive programming. Starting March 31st, the HD channels will be simulcasts of the main channels. Since not all older content is in HD, it'll be like National Geographic HD and other similar HD channels.

Now I need to actually get those channels. I believe that is pending the channel realignment. :(

For those of you interested in Food Network and HGTV, see the following:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080310/20080310005151.html?.v=1

For those not in the know, up until now, Food Network and HGTV ran separate HD channels with repetitive programming. Starting March 31st, the HD channels will be simulcasts of the main channels. Since not all older content is in HD, it'll be like National Geographic HD and other similar HD channels.

Ugh. I don't know if this is good news or bad news for those who get the separate full time HD channels. Are there many shows on the full time HD channels that aren't on the (soon to be replaced) main channels? What will we be missing out on?

For those of you interested in Food Network and HGTV, see the following:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080310/20080310005151.html?.v=1

For those not in the know, up until now, Food Network and HGTV ran separate HD channels with repetitive programming. Starting March 31st, the HD channels will be simulcasts of the main channels. Since not all older content is in HD, it'll be like National Geographic HD and other similar HD channels.

What do y'all think: 4:3 OAR or stretchovision? I've heard that A&E and History use some stretchovision. I really hope Food keeps OAR. Could you imagine cookies, pizzas, pies and other round foods in stretchovision?:eek::eek:

Ugh. I don't know if this is good news or bad news for those who get the separate full time HD channels. Are there many shows on the full time HD channels that aren't on the (soon to be replaced) main channels? What will we be missing out on?

Sounds like they have the same stuff on a loop, like HDT(Discovery #554) or WNEO-DT's PBS HD feed. Many times the programming on the dedicated HD channel is better than the main feed, but there are times I'd like the main Discovery HD simulcast(like when "Dirty jobs" says it's in HD).

Although I do like the idea of a simulcast. One less channel I have to watch with my cable box's hideous GREY sidebars:D:D:D:D:D

Way too many repeats for me. Right now there's a four hour block that changes every day at 7:00 p.m. and repeats during the day (with infomercials in the middle of the night). Most of the newer regular shows do appear on the HD channel, but I don't know how many specific episodes were actually filmed in HD.

Sounds like they have the same stuff on a loop, like HDT(Discovery #554) or WNEO-DT's PBS HD feed. Many times the programming on the dedicated HD channel is better than the main feed, but there are times I'd like the main Discovery HD simulcast(like when "Dirty jobs" says it's in HD).

Although I do like the idea of a simulcast. One less channel I have to watch with my cable box's hideous GREY sidebars:D:D:D:D:D

Doesn't surprise me. TW gave us some real sh*t HD channels. I want FX, USA, and SCI FI.

Quality, not qunatity.

I would like to see Discovery HD (simulcast of the Discovery Channel).

What do y'all think: 4:3 OAR or stretchovision? I've heard that A&E and History use some stretchovision. I really hope Food keeps OAR. Could you imagine cookies, pizzas, pies and other round foods in stretchovision?:eek::eek:

I recall in a Good Eats episode a few years ago (looks like 2005), Alton Brown made a comment that the network decided to move to true HD production of the show. Related info at http://www.biscardicreative.com/article.php?ret=archive&newsid=46 - that article makes me think they're putting some effort into getting it right.

With any luck, this may indicate that Food Network plans to do HD without screwing around.

One less channel I have to watch with my cable box's hideous GREY sidebars:D:D:D:D:D

Hmm - I remember being seriously annoyed by this when I had a Navigator 8300HDC, but I'm pretty sure there was a way (although very hidden) to change to black sidebars. Which box are you running?

Hmm - I remember being seriously annoyed by this when I had a Navigator 8300HDC, but I'm pretty sure there was a way (although very hidden) to change to black sidebars.


He could purchase an S3 ot TiVo HD.:D

Just kidding nickdawg. I know, 900.00, door stop, I get it.:p

Hmm - I remember being seriously annoyed by this when I had a Navigator 8300HDC, but I'm pretty sure there was a way (although very hidden) to change to black sidebars. Which box are you running?

I believe you go into the guide and click settings on the remote. In one of the sections there you change the color of the sidebars i believe.

I believe you go into the guide and click settings on the remote. In one of the sections there you change the color of the sidebars i believe.

Wouldn't that be done in set up? You would select 480i along with 1080i and 720p. At least I would, you could probably just set up just one of the HD channels.

Wouldn't that be done in set up? You would select 480i along with 1080i and 720p. At least I would, you could probably just set up just one of the HD channels.

I dont have it in front of me but i believe clicking the settings button takes you to the "setup". I am picturing a list of things on the left and when you are over one you get to change its attribute to the right (ie aspect ratio 480i, 720p, or audio output etc). Not 100% here so i will check when i get home tonight.

http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/consumers/new_explorer8300HD.htm
there are guides for all SA products...

http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/consumers/new_explorer8300HD.htm
there are guides for all SA products...

The tricky part is not all SA products run the same firmware.

well I got my New Channel lineup and rate card in the mail today (didnt look at it as I was just passing through home to drop off lunch for my wife in between stores) but I wonder if it will be this week...heres to hoping its soon!

well I got my New Channel lineup and rate card in the mail today (didnt look at it as I was just passing through home to drop off lunch for my wife in between stores) but I wonder if it will be this week...heres to hoping its soon!

I got mine yesterday. It's for Cleveland Suburb Area 1 but I'm in Cleveland Suburb Area 3. I think it's the same line up.

WVIZ is STILL screwed up, it's been like this all afternoon, and the irony is they are doing their "PBS Cooks" fundraising show right now. It's totally unwatchable. I guess the engineer there takes Sundays off...

How are you getting WVIZ (Cable, satellite, or OTA)? About a week ago WVIZ via Dish Network was doing exactly what you described, however the analog OTA signal was fine.

hey just here to let everyone know that my channels were changed to the new lineup this morning.

came to update this thread with other info as well, Dish network has uplinked Cleveland locals to the 61.5 dish! should be turned on in a couple weeks!!!!

hey just here to let everyone know that my channels were changed to the new lineup this morning.

Where do you live?

hey just here to let everyone know that my channels were changed to the new lineup this morning.

1. Where do you live?

2. Was your program guide/DVR menu changed at all?

i live in green

as far as the guide there are no new features just the channels are different.

i live in green

as far as the guide there are no new features just the channels are different.


They use a provider that only delivers so much info for the guide. That's why you have to go through all the channel changes on the DVR and there is no "record new only". Other areas of TW however are not like that.

They use a provider that only delivers so much info for the guide. That's why you have to go through all the channel changes on the DVR and there is no "record new only". Other areas of TW however are not like that.

WRONG! PASSPORT hs options to record "First Run Only" or "First Run & Repeats". Also you can choose one channel only(like WOIOHD only or all channels the show is on). Also, you can choose only a certain time or all times. There's also setting to choose how many show you want to keep and to save until manually erased.

Areas that have/will have Navigator don't have these options.

Is anyone watching WEWS-DT? The picture during Wheel and Jeopardy looks kind of jerky/choppy. As the camera moves, it doesn't look smooth and natural. Maybe something with frame rates and output formats?

WRONG! PASSPORT hs options to record "First Run Only" or "First Run & Repeats". Also you can choose one channel only(like WOIOHD only or all channels the show is on). Also, you can choose only a certain time or all times. There's also setting to choose how many show you want to keep and to save until manually erased.

Areas that have/will have Navigator don't have these options.

Well, I've asked you in the past if that option was available for you with passport and you never responded. I do know that it is available with SARA but only if the guide that is being used delivers that information.

So I wouldn't count out that you may lose that feature with Navigator and I know that's a biggie, but you are following this much closer then I am so perhaps Navigator doesn't support that.

Is anyone watching WEWS-DT? The picture during Wheel and Jeopardy looks kind of jerky/choppy. As the camera moves, it doesn't look smooth and natural. Maybe something with frame rates and output formats?

I was watching earlier and had no problems. It's the SA 8300. It's a horrible piece of equipment. I don't care what software is in it.

Is anyone watching WEWS-DT? The picture during Wheel and Jeopardy looks kind of jerky/choppy. As the camera moves, it doesn't look smooth and natural. Maybe something with frame rates and output formats?

Yes, I saw the same thing and I have a cablecard.

Watch out for "dead channels". As they move channels around, there are some vacant virtual channels left that screw up the tuner. As I went to watch "Rob & Big" on MTV2, 126 is just a blank screen and my box screwed up(don't even think about it hookbill:D) requiring a reboot. Apparently the MTV2 is only on #34 now.

I really hope this change happens in Akron soon. I'm sick of this eff'd up lineup and the missing channels like Discovery Health. If they already did Green, that's a good sign it's going to be soon! :D

Watch out for "dead channels". As they move channels around, there are some vacant virtual channels left that screw up the tuner. As I went to watch "Rob & Big" on MTV2, 126 is just a blank screen and my box screwed up(don't even think about it hookbill:D) requiring a reboot. Apparently the MTV2 is only on #34 now.



Naw, I can't get you on that one. It would appear the lineup change is moving OK now that the real bad weather has passed. Maybe that was the problem?

I've heard from a friend in Green that his dvr recordings were still there after the changeover.

I've heard from a friend in Green that his dvr recordings were still there after the changeover.

Great news to hear. I didn't think there would be because I couldn't see how that would cause recordings to be deleted but never the less thanks for passing that information on.

I have the new channel lineup just south of Kent. Nice to see 4 new HD channels. One other thing, STO says "Off Air" in the EPG but "All Bets Are Off" WAS in HD tonight. I don't know if All Bets Are Off is in HD every night or not, but everything is there. It looks like I still get all of the same channels that I did before, even though they are placed in different tiers.

Great news to hear. I didn't think there would be because I couldn't see how that would cause recordings to be deleted but never the less thanks for passing that information on.

If you've been using an external SATA drive with a DVR and it's about to be upgraded with new navigator firmware, make sure the drive remains connected during the transition so the recordings on the external drive will still be visible to the machine after the upgrade.

Just sayin' ;)

I have the new channel lineup just south of Kent. Nice to see 4 new HD channels. One other thing, STO says "Off Air" in the EPG but "All Bets Are Off" WAS in HD tonight. I don't know if All Bets Are Off is in HD every night or not, but everything is there. It looks like I still get all of the same channels that I did before, even though they are placed in different tiers.

Did it happen today? Yesterday it was Green, now Kent. Hope i'm next :D

Did it happen today? Yesterday it was Green, now Kent. Hope i'm next :D

Must have happened some time today, as it was not like this last night. Still color bars on analog 47 though.

If you've been using an external SATA drive with a DVR and it's about to be upgraded with new navigator firmware, make sure the drive remains connected during the transition so the recordings on the external drive will still be visible to the machine after the upgrade.

Just sayin' ;)

To disconnect a eSata drive would in all esscence "divorce" it from the internal hard drive in any situation, that is if you powered on with it disconnected so absolutely you would not want to have your eSATA disconnected.

Still color bars on analog 47 though.

Analog 47 is coming in again? My box skips from 46 to 48. It only works on my non-STB TVs.

Also, is Discovery Health back? I know it's supposed to be somewhere in the 150s on the new lineup.

Analog 47 is coming in again? My box skips from 46 to 48. It only works on my non-STB TVs.

Also, is Discovery Health back? I know it's supposed to be somewhere in the 150s on the new lineup.

DISC Health is on the new digital lineup. The digital boxes currently skip channel 47 but analog TV's show color bars. I beleive 47 should be TVOne.

Still no changes here in the old eastern Cleveland Adelphia Suburb area.

Quite honestly they arn't offering me anything I just gotta have so I'm in no hurry.

Still no changes here in the old eastern Cleveland Adelphia Suburb area.

Quite honestly they arn't offering me anything I just gotta have so I'm in no hurry.

They are probably taking care of the legacy systems before they hit the Adelphia/Comcast regions anyway.

Quite honestly they arn't offering me anything I just gotta have so I'm in no hurry.

I want to watch Smackdown in HD tonight!! That's not going to happen:(:(:mad::mad:

Supernatural is also starting new episodes soon. It better be up by then!
It's looking like Akron will be next week.

Supernatural is also starting new episodes soon. It better be up by then!
It's looking like Akron will be next week.

Yeah buddy, that's what I want too.

As far as wrestling goes, I stopped watching two years after WCW went down. Now however I have been watching Total Nonstop Action. I like the people on that one.

I stopped watching fake wrestling when I was 12 yrs old... :D;)

I stopped watching fake wrestling when I was 12 yrs old... :D;)

So did I. Then I started again when I was around 38 and stopped about 5 years ago. With not that much good stuff on TV I started watching again. I don't know how long I'll continue to do it but it's entertaining.

I would rather watch wrestling then something like golf or fishing. And whether you want to admit it or not, alot of those guys are good athletes. Well, yeah the steroids but everyone else was useing them to.

Time Warner Cable-Northeast Ohio-Akron/Legacy System
Changes as of 3/14/08:

Added:
*511 Sports On Demand *FREE*

Deleted:
*68 Discovery Health---MIA/will reappear at position 152 after the lineup change
*72 Fit TV---MIA/will reappear at position 153 after the lineup change
*47 GAC---MIA/will reappear at position 255 after the lineup change
*113 Discovery Science---deleted from lineup/moved to Analog 72
*1 Time Warner ONE---Showing channel change info
*591 Showtime West HD---Showtime West Coast feeds discontinued
*581 HBO West HD---MIA/should reappear on 495 after lineup change
*79 Access TV---Paid Program Channel

Moved:
Analog==>Digital:
*Discovery Health---Currently MIA(152)
*Fit TV---Currently MIA(153)
*GAC---Currently MIA(255)

Digital==>Analog:
*Discovery Science---moved to analog 72 Also still on digital at 705
*VH1 Classic---moved from Digital 132 to Analog 68
*TV One---Will move to Analog 47(Change pending)

"Dead" Channels:
*126 MTV2---Moved to Analog 34; no longer on 126, just blank screen
*180 FOX Ohio: color bars
*1500 Sports Time Ohio On Demand *FREE* Barker channel with message
to tune to channel 1111

New Lineup CONFIRMED:
*Green
*Kent

How are you getting WVIZ (Cable, satellite, or OTA)? About a week ago WVIZ via Dish Network was doing exactly what you described, however the analog OTA signal was fine.

The WVIZ screwups were via D*.

When WVIZ has this goofy scrolling screen thing going on, a screen of color bars with the words to the effect of "WVIZ technical difficulties please stand by" flashes every couple seconds -- that made me think it was a WVIZ source problem instead of a D* problem.

I didn't even think to check WVIZ analog OTA - I'm so used to thinking about their impossible to receive DT channel that I forgot there is still an analog 25 going full power.

Dish Network adding Cleveland HD locals (as well as many other HD channels) in April:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006263

The WVIZ screwups were via D*.

When WVIZ has this goofy scrolling screen thing going on, a screen of color bars with the words to the effect of "WVIZ technical difficulties please stand by" flashes every couple seconds -- that made me think it was a WVIZ source problem instead of a D* problem.

I didn't even think to check WVIZ analog OTA - I'm so used to thinking about their impossible to receive DT channel that I forgot there is still an analog 25 going full power.
On E* I got sound and a rolling picture that switched between the color bars you mentioned and the actual program.

paule I already posted that back a page, also that might be delayed a bit, and when I say a bit, I mean well we dont know how long right now :) the amc-14 satellite which dish was leasing (being launched this last friday) had a bit of trouble and is a little ways off of its proper orbit, they are going to move it to its proper orbit (no matter what you read they are) and this could take a month or more to do, but the as of now the cleveland locals are uplinked onto the 61.5 bird right now, heres to hoping they turn them on!

New HD TiVo is up and running! Got the lifetime membership with this one. Did the sign in by phone to make sure I got the lifetime and everything was linked when I went to the web site.

TW coming out with cable cards on 4/5. The CSR said she doesn't know about the M cards so she's requesting what I have in my S3, two S cards.

New HD TiVo is up and running! Got the lifetime membership with this one. Did the sign in by phone to make sure I got the lifetime and everything was linked when I went to the web site.

TW coming out with cable cards on 4/5. The CSR said she doesn't know about the M cards so she's requesting what I have in my S3, two S cards.

What's an S card?... what's an M card?

The CSR said she doesn't know about the M cards so she's requesting what I have in my S3, two S cards.

Does the Tivo have two card slots(one for each tuner)? You probably would need one S card for each slot. The M-card is the newer card used in the SA HDC DVRs with dual tuners.

The Lifetime Commitment? Will they replace that box when it is outdated? Still liking my 8300HD:D

What's an S card?... what's an M card?

S card = Single Stream (decodes one stream from a single tuner)

M card = Multi Stream (a single card can decode streams from multiple tuners)

Note: BOTH types of cards are two-way capable. What makes a setup one-way or two-way is the host, not the card. The host device requires a reverse-path transmitter for two-way operation.

Does the Tivo have two card slots(one for each tuner)? You probably would need one S card for each slot. The M-card is the newer card used in the SA HDC DVRs with dual tuners.

The TiVo HD only needs one M card even with two slots for dual tuning.


The Lifetime Commitment? Will they replace that box when it is outdated? Still liking my 8300HD:D

Lifetime commitment: getting married.

Lifetime Service: Pay once, never pay again. However you are correct that goes for the HD TiVo only. However, TiVo has allowed people to transfer their lifetime service from time to time with a puchase of a new model. They did it with the S3 when it first came out. And it was for a limited time.

Did that make it easy for you to understand?

God, your a troublemaker!:p

And talk about outdated? You're SA8300 is so far out dated I'd rather use a VCR.

Guys I need a HDMI to DVI cable. Can anyone recommend someone to me?

Guys I need a HDMI to DVI cable. Can anyone recommend someone to me?

Are you serious?... Monoprice.com

Are you serious?... Monoprice.com

Yeah, I just haven't bought anything and I forgot. Thanks.

Yeah, I just haven't bought anything and I forgot. Thanks.

;)

New HD TiVo is up and running!

Congrats... When you get enough time with the HD, I'd like to know if you find any notable differences between it and the S3. (Ignoring the THX and drive size differences.)

I've read that the HD UI acts a little sluggish compared to the S3, but I've never had a problem with it.

The guy next door had AT&T Uverse installed today. Took them over eight hours and three truck rolls - the last truck finally left just before 10 PM. He only has one computer and three TVs (two on the first floor), and I know it's not difficult to pull wires in the place.

I need to ask him in the next few days what they did (and play with the service), but I just don't understand why it took so long and so many people to install the thing...

And talk about outdated? You're SA8300 is so far out dated I'd rather use a VCR.

I know you're probably joking, but I've got to call BS on that one. :)

MOTHERF*****!!!!! Around 3:50-3:55AM the box in my bedroom shut off and rebooted. Then there was a series of letters/numbers on the front panel. At first I was excited, the new channels are coming!! Nope. Instead, I get the Blue Screen of Death. The @$$ ugly "Mystro" screen popped up.:mad::mad:

By 4:09 it was up and running. Same hideous UI as the OCAP version, except slightly different. Since it is an older, non-OCAP box this must be the MDN-Mystro Digital Navigator version. It looks like they are only doing certain boxes at a time. My 8300HD is still on Passport Echo(for now).

Around 4:56 the new channels appeared. My lineup has been changed and the new HD channels added!! So far I'm not liking the new HD nationals. Paid Programming is on and they're stretchovision:mad: WBNX is OAR and 5.1

Interestingly, the new channels are not appearing on the Navigatored box yet.:confused::confused::confused:

BTW: to give a general idea of where I am, I'm in North Akron.

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Also, the numbers on my DVR changed to reflect the channel changes. Example: An episode of "Rob & Big" recorded on 3/1 on MTV2(which was #126) now says MTV2 251(the new channel). Also, one scheduled recording for an HD channel tomorrow changed with the lineup. It changed from 541 to 404

Will Tivo do that? :p

Sports Time Ohio is coming through as "Indians in HD" in the IPG and says Off Air for the whole day. WBNX-HD is not officially flagged as HD by the STB. The "HDTV" light isn't lit up.

None of the WBNX program descriptions include "HDTV" or "Dolby Digital". i checked "One Tree Hill" and "Smallville".

After a manual reboot, the Navigatored box took the changes. Kinda weird, but now it outputs RF on channel 4 :confused::confused::confused:

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Sorry if I turned this into the nickdawg show.:D Doing my duty to keep everyone informed. :D

MOTHERF*****!!!!! Around 3:50-3:55AM the box in my bedroom shut off and rebooted.


heh heh heh heh heh. It's going to be a good day!

I know you're probably joking, but I've got to call BS on that one. :)

Yeah, nickdawg is always pulling my chain but now his has been pulled. Bye Bye passport....:p

Congrats... When you get enough time with the HD, I'd like to know if you find any notable differences between it and the S3. (Ignoring the THX and drive size differences.)

I've read that the HD UI acts a little sluggish compared to the S3, but I've never had a problem with it.

Well, I noticed after the update that the software platform is S3. I'm having a bit of a problem when I first turn on the TV I get a greeninsh picture. When I turn it off and turn it on it's fine, but I shouldn't have to do that. I've ordered a HDMI-DVI cable and I'll experiment with the settings. Right now I'm back on native, I was on 720p hybrid but when I used the TiVo STB I believe it was on native.

Other then that I have to admit it looks just like the S3, with the exception of the front panel. And what a great idea to put the cable cards in the FRONT instead of the back!

I also notice no cable card install instructions came with this. Did I miss something?

MOTHERF*****!!!!! Around 3:50-3:55AM the box in my bedroom shut off and rebooted. Then there was a series of letters/numbers on the front panel. At first I was excited, the new channels are coming!! Nope. Instead, I get the Blue Screen of Death. The @$$ ugly "Mystro" screen popped up.:mad::mad:

By 4:09 it was up and running. Same hideous UI as the OCAP version, except slightly different. Since it is an older, non-OCAP box this must be the MDN-Mystro Digital Navigator version. It looks like they are only doing certain boxes at a time. My 8300HD is still on Passport Echo(for now).

Do you think everyone will get navigator? I do not know much about this kinda stuff. Is the UI different? How do I check to see if I have navigator? What is the difference between Navigator and Passport?

I live in Doylestown and just noticed the new channel lineup is installed today. I checked out the scheduled recordings in series manager and they already have the new channel location adjusted. That had been a concern for me since I an heading out of town on Thursday.

Oh, but I forgot to add, the previous lineup had channel 611 as an unmarked info channel for your diagnostic of the converter or dvr box. It is now gone or moved. Anyone know where?

Nickdawg, you gotta get a tivo or Satellite, you are driving yourself loony with all of this, I got my satellite back up and running (cost me ANOTHER pretty penny, but I am still ahead of where I would be with cables FULL price) I got it right after green got hit with the channel lineup as my box started driving me crazy again.

Nickdawg, you gotta get a tivo or Satellite, you are driving yourself loony with all of this, I got my satellite back up and running (cost me ANOTHER pretty penny, but I am still ahead of where I would be with cables FULL price) I got it right after green got hit with the channel lineup as my box started driving me crazy again.

Naw, let him go. I'm enjoying this.:D

nickdawg will never get a TiVo. Satellite is possible but TiVo? No way.

He doesn't like spending any extra money, even though with my new TiVo HD my bill went from 137.00 to 128.00.;)

That's the way TiVo pays for itself, nickdawg.

I'm new to this forum, and relatively new to the area & cable, so my apologies if this has been covered already. Currently have a SA Explorer 3250HD on TWC Digital tier, in Suburban Cleveland 2, so no line-up change yet.

I have just got a TiVo HD, and TWC claim they are sending someone to install an M cablecard this Friday (21st). Took 4 phone call attempts to order - I'll let people know how I get on. Annoying that the receivable clear QAM channels don't appear in the TiVo guide meantime.

There's a couple of questions that have been bugging me:
- with the line-up change, it looks like the 60-odd expanded basic channels previously only available in glorious 1980s analog are additionally being transmitted in digital. Is this correct, and if so where is the extra capacity coming from ?
- why doesn't the local WVIZ/PBS HD feed transmit the News Hour ?

Keith
[Trying not to feel too nostalgic for my previous DVB-S setup..]

Legacy Time Warner networks have been simulcasting analog channels in digital for about 2 years

Oh, but I forgot to add, the previous lineup had channel 611 as an unmarked info channel for your diagnostic of the converter or dvr box. It is now gone or moved. Anyone know where?

Once the box gets Navigator this channel goes away. To get the diagnostics on Navigator, you have to hold SELECT until the Message light on the front of the box comes on, the press the right arrow >.

On boxes with Passport still, the Diagnostic channel moved to 1611.
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I'm now taking the Navigator box for a test drive and it really sucks so far. The UI moves so slow. A keyboard search was added but it is useless b/c once you type in a show name, you have to wait for the data to load and the show in the quarter screen video window blacks out. No more program searching while I'm watching a show :mad:.

I can't wait to see how the DVR is going to work. I noticed that shows are incorrectly labeled as "New". EVERY "Rob & Big" episode "Vegas" on MTV-250 is labeled as "New" between tonight and 3/23. On the Passport box, only the 10:30 first run eppy is labeled New. It will be interesting to watch this one play out, especially with series recordings for new episodes.

The Navigator guide has LESS information about each show. Most movies only have one actor listed and show descriptions are shorter. Also, helpful information like "Dolby Digital" "Letterbox" and "HDTV" are no longer present. Maybe b/c it is an SD box, but that info was there on Passport, even though it wasn't capable of tuning those channels.

Channel changing is a pain in the arse. There is now a longer delay btw punching in numbers and the channel changing. It's the same in the guide. Also, it acts up punching in numbers. The channel banner gets "confused" and has blinking question marks????

- why doesn't the local WVIZ/PBS HD feed transmit the News Hour ?
Because the HD feeds on both of our PBS stations run PBS HD 24/7 as opposed to a true HD feed of the main channel (i.e. the analog off-air programs).

Why PBS does not run the News Hour on PBS HD is beyond me. All I can think of as a reason is that there are not enough "members" to pony up the cost to run the program.

Just wanted to throw in that I now have the complete channel revision including the new HD channels (HGTV, Food, AE, and History) in their correct positions. Happened some time between 2 and 5am this morning. I live in Akron, west of downtown between Akron and Fairlawn.

Welcome to AVS blinkcowz182!! What Time Warner equipment do you have? Any change in the appearance of your program guide? Believe me, you'll notice when you get navigator :D

Is there anyway to have the EPG and all other on screen graphics on my SA8300HD show up in wide screen instead of 4:3 SD?

[QUOTE=nickdawg;13410955]Once the box gets Navigator this channel goes away. To get the diagnostics on Navigator, you have to hold SELECT until the Message light on the front of the box comes on, the press the right arrow >.

On boxes with Passport still, the Diagnostic channel moved to 1611.
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Thanks - 1611 works fine.

I still have Passport with no real complaints. No chance of my moving to sat because of neighbor's trees blocking the South view.

with my new TiVo HD my bill went from 137.00 to 128.00.;)



Does the $128 include the fee you pay to Tivo?

Welcome to AVS blinkcowz182!! What Time Warner equipment do you have? Any change in the appearance of your program guide? Believe me, you'll notice when you get navigator :D

He said he had a Tivo HD and he's waiting for card install. Do you read anything before you post?

I'm new to this forum, and relatively new to the area & cable, so my apologies if this has been covered already. Currently have a SA Explorer 3250HD on TWC Digital tier, in Suburban Cleveland 2, so no line-up change yet.

I have just got a TiVo HD, and TWC claim they are sending someone to install an M cablecard this Friday (21st). Took 4 phone call attempts to order - I'll let people know how I get on. Annoying that the receivable clear QAM channels don't appear in the TiVo guide meantime.

There's a couple of questions that have been bugging me:
- with the line-up change, it looks like the 60-odd expanded basic channels previously only available in glorious 1980s analog are additionally being transmitted in digital. Is this correct, and if so where is the extra capacity coming from ?
- why doesn't the local WVIZ/PBS HD feed transmit the News Hour ?

Keith
[Trying not to feel too nostalgic for my previous DVB-S setup..]

First, relax. I just got a TiVo HD and I have a S3. If you live in the old Adelphia area make sure they bring out two cards. I don't think they have M cards here yet and if they bring you one S card you won't be happy.

Since I have an S3 the rep told me "I'll just send out two of the same cards as on your other TiVo.

Tips.

Install one card first. Make sure it initiallizes. Make sure the tech reads the numbers corrctly to headend. It will take up to 10 minutes for the second card to initialize. Make sure that they understand that these cards have to be "married", united, whatever because they are in the same machine.

If they only bring you out one M card you should be OK. I just don't think they have them yet. And do not let them leave unless all your channels are working. If they arn't and they say "they will start working in a bit" you say bull ****, call tell them to call back headend and tell them it's not working.

Where do you live? Are you in native TW land, Old Comcast or Old Adelphia.

And don't listen to nickdawg.

He said he had a Tivo HD and he's waiting for card install. Do you read anything before you post?

I think we should just rent out a boxing ring and give you two each a pair of those GIGANTIC boxing gloves and let you duke it out... :D.

Does the $128 include the fee you pay to Tivo?

No it doesn't Steve, because I don't pay 128.00 a month for my TiVo service. I paid 299.00 for 3 years on my S3 and 399.00 for lifetime service for my TiVo HD. Now I've never done the math but others have and they say over time not having to pay for your DVR service and DVR itself pays at least one of them off.

I can't really say about both of them.