If by "STB" you mean coupon-eligible converter boxes, there are a handful of them that have "analog passthrough" to allow tuning low power analog TV stations after the 2009 cutoff date.

Exactly, a suit was filed last week to stop the sale of boxes without this feature.

I would think they would be like a VCR, when the power goes off on the STB the analog signal passes through the box & the TV functions normally... not so, I have to reconnect the cables to return to analog... what a pain. With the STB I've been missing my PBS on 25.. plus when 19 goes down I miss that too.

Over in dbstalk, someone who usually is in the know is stating that the first HD game on D* won't be until April 11th. It is supposedly a technical issue (something about faulty decoders, whatever that means). I still think we got the shaft, but it's obvious that D* isn't going to do anything about it now.


Here's the response I just got:

"Thanks for writing us about the SportsTime Ohio being available in HD. I know that HD programming is important to you and we're committed to offering the best possible HD experience to you.

With respect to your inquiry, we would love to provide SportsTime Ohio but satellite capacity doesn't allow us to do that yet. However, we continue to expand our HD capacity and hope to offer more HD in your area in the near future. "

Finally Tribe is coming in HD on TW channel 251. What a difference in picture and sound!


I live in the Amherst TW area (old Comcast) and today STOHD showed on 251, which used to be the station where Cavs, Blue Jackets and Indians HD was shown. Problem is it shows not authorized, so nothing is coming in. Called TW and they said it was because of digital realignment and it should correct itself in next few days and switch to 435. Anyone else having this issue? Geez why did they have to do it for tonights Tribe game. Really wanted to watch Carmona in HD and can't stand watching it in SD.

Over in dbstalk, someone who usually is in the know is stating that the first HD game on D* won't be until April 11th. It is supposedly a technical issue (something about faulty decoders, whatever that means). I still think we got the shaft, but it's obvious that D* isn't going to do anything about it now.

Technical issues sound more believable. Trying to use "lack of bandwidth" as an excuse for tomorrow's afternoon game like you said earlier makes no sense.

Technical issues sound more believable. Trying to use "lack of bandwidth" as an excuse for tomorrow's afternoon game like you said earlier makes no sense.

I think customers like myself would have been much more understanding if they would just come right out and tell us the truth, if in fact a piece of equipment is broken. Think of all the man-hours the call center at DirecTV wasted tonight telling people to reboot their boxes, or telling people the game is blacked out and all kind of other crazy stuff, when the channel was never there to begin with.

I had a CSR tell me that the game might not be shown because it wasn't sold out...

Fox 8 HD news at 5:00 pm was unwatchable last night.
Lots of freeze, sound issues.
Other stations were fine.
I will quit watching fox 8 soon if this is not fixed.

Fox 8 HD news at 5:00 pm was unwatchable last night.
Lots of freeze, sound issues.
Other stations were fine.
I will quit watching fox 8 soon if this is not fixed.


Can I ask how you watch? Was it OTA, cable or Sat?

Also I noticed you said 5:00. The one I recorded was at 6 so that means it went on for two hours! Not good.

I have it on this morning and no problems, that's why I ask how you watched. If it's just happening on cable then maybe TWC is screwing things up with this channel alignment.

The problem is at channel 8. Both the DirecTV feed and the OTA feed had this problem. The SD signal was fine but the HD signal was full of pixel breakups, freezes and sound problems. It went on thru the night and luckly we get the FOX HD feed from New York City on DirecTV so my wife was able to watch American Idol without all these issues.

The problem is at channel 8. Both the DirecTV feed and the OTA feed had this problem. The SD signal was fine but the HD signal was full of pixel breakups, freezes and sound problems. It went on thru the night and luckly we get the FOX HD feed from New York City on DirecTV so my wife was able to watch American Idol without all these issues.


Now you have me really curious (also a bit jealous). When I had D* pre HD back in Northern Kentucky I got the locals and West and East Coast feeds of broadcast. I use to watch the Raiders on the Los Angeles feed.

But I thought they cut that off with HD. So how do you get the HD feed from NY.

Also fwiw, I'm happy for your wife however I have to point out that American Idol is the part of the downfall of music in this country. That along with commercial radio. I never watch the show but who has to since it's reviewed so much on every network.

I was watching it on OTA signal and the meter was steady, but the picuture kept freezing.

But I thought they cut that off with HD. So how do you get the HD feed from NY.

hook, I also get the FOXE feed on D*. I've had it for a few years now, and maybe I'm grandfathered in under an older Total Choice plan, but it was no big deal, I just had to ask for it.

Now I heard in the last couple weeks D* went to MPEG4 on all the west coast major network DNS feeds and that a bunch of people were being cut off, so maybe that will happen to the east coast DNS feeds soon.

It has something to do with if the local is owned by the network they will unblock the national feed out of NY (or LA). FOX 8 is the only Cleveland local owned by the network so they lift the blackout on the NYC feed for that one only in the Cleve market.

I was at the game last night (and froze my Pronk off), so I didn't realize D* had screwed this up. I just sent them an e-mail as well, we'll see how it goes.

I hate to post twice in a row, but I already received a "response" from DirecTV. needless to say, it wasn't exactly helpful:

As soon as we have determined the Standard and High Definition programming schedule for any of our sports subscriptions, we post it at directv.com/sports. If a schedule isn't posted, that means we haven't received it yet from the league(s).

A reply to their e-mail asking for more details has already been sent. Stay tuned.

FOX 8 News was messed up again by the time I left the house this morning!

I wonder what the problem is?

Now you have me really curious (also a bit jealous). When I had D* pre HD back in Northern Kentucky I got the locals and West and East Coast feeds of broadcast. I use to watch the Raiders on the Los Angeles feed.

But I thought they cut that off with HD. So how do you get the HD feed from NY.

Also fwiw, I'm happy for your wife however I have to point out that American Idol is the part of the downfall of music in this country. That along with commercial radio. I never watch the show but who has to since it's reviewed so much on every network.


Time Warner I use QAM tuner on my TV .
I starting watching the 5:00 news on 8.1 then switched to ch 5.1 which was fine (no issues).
I went back to 8.1 a couple of time but it was bad each time.

I imagine Fox 8 will see their HD viewers decrease if this continues.

Oh, just looked, and the Cavs aren't listed in HD tonight. There are two more HD games on FSN Ohio - the 9th and the 14th. They play tomorrow, but on TNT.

Thank goodness they will be on TNT. Are other people as tired as I am of hearing Austin Carr say the same phrases over and over every game: "The L-Train...puts the hammer down...coming down the lane, the L-Train....The new guys will do fine when they learn the system," interspersed with his constant lecturing, "The team needs to...." "They need to provide better defense." "They should practice their..." etc. etc. I'm sure he was a fine basketball player, but I wish they'd get someone else. In addition, he and his partner focus 90% of their comments on the Cleveland players. The network announcing teams generally do a more balanced, variegated commentary.

Time Warner I use QAM tuner on my TV .
I starting watching the 5:00 news on 8.1 then switched to ch 5.1 which was fine (no issues).
I went back to 8.1 a couple of time but it was bad each time.

I imagine Fox 8 will see their HD viewers decrease if this continues.

OTA has been the same for 8.1 recently. Audio drops and digital artifacts.

Time Warner has updated their Programming Notices page. Instead of March 4th for the line-up change for former Adelphia and Comcast customers, it now just says soon. So its anyone's guess as to when the line-up change will happen for the rest of us.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NortheastOhio/programming/Legal_notices2.html

Time Warner I use QAM tuner on my TV .
I starting watching the 5:00 news on 8.1 then switched to ch 5.1 which was fine (no issues).
I went back to 8.1 a couple of time but it was bad each time.

I imagine Fox 8 will see their HD viewers decrease if this continues.

I had the same problem In University Heights last night. Fox 8.1 was terrible. NBC 3.1 didn't come in except for the sound and ABC 5.1 was also a little dicey. MOstly sound issues. Discovery Theater 86-3 was fine and STO 106-1 also had sound issues. PBS 25-1 was also ok.

Our friend over at dbstalk (who I beleive works for DirecTV) said the Indians games on STO HD should start April 4th (tomorrow), not April 11th as he had previously mentioned.

Well, spoke to Mr Davis again. he sorted out my billing problems. On the copy protection, he believes that setting "copy once" (0x02) protection on digital tier channels is consistent with TWC policy and FCC regulations. I am very dubious about this, as it means that digital tier channels now have the same protection level as premiums like HBO, and I am not at all sure this is consistent with the regulations, which say that cable providers must allow "at least one generation of copies" for "pay television, non-premium subscription television, and free conditional access" programming,

It is also very clear that setting the CCI flag to anything other than 0x00 on any unencrypted channel is in breach of the regulations. Unfortunately I couldn't tackle him on this as I don't yet have the new line-up so no direct evidence of what is going on.

If you are still seeing CCI=0x02 on the digital version of any broadcast, basic or expanded basic channel under the new line-up, that is a breach of the regulations and I'd be happy to give you Mr Davis' details off-forum if you want to take this up with him. Or complain to the FCC here: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475.cfm

The digital basic line-up situation is less clear - I'm going to try and get some advice from the EFF on this,
and/or wait for an answer from the BBC, to see whether it is worth an FCC complaint. In the meantime I appear to be stuck with my converter+Series2 if I want to copy anything digital to my laptop :-(

Thank goodness they will be on TNT. Are other people as tired as I am of hearing Austin Carr say the same phrases over and over every game: "The L-Train...puts the hammer down...coming down the lane, the L-Train....The new guys will do fine when they learn the system," interspersed with his constant lecturing, "The team needs to...." "They need to provide better defense." "They should practice their..." etc. etc. I'm sure he was a fine basketball player, but I wish they'd get someone else. In addition, he and his partner focus 90% of their comments on the Cleveland players. The network announcing teams generally do a more balanced, variegated commentary.

Personally I'm just as sick of that new play x play guy from Detroit (Fred McCloud). Until Michal Reghi was replaced by this hack, I never realized how great Reghi was. I miss Reghi and believe it or not, watch the TV games a lot less simply because of McCloud. Maybe it's the combination, but I really didn't mind when Austin Carr was with Reghi.

Hey Hook,

This freeze up and audio drop problem has been going on for about 3 to 4 weeks. It seems to be getting worse as the weeks go by. Last night on the 6:00 pm Fox news it got so bad that I almost changed the channel. I checked OTA, TWC, and Directv, and the same freezes and audio drops were on all three. I did notice that on shorter freezes the audio was ok, but on longer ones (5 to 10 sec or more) the audio would would also drop.

Does anyone know a tech at Fox 8? It acts like a loose cable, or perhaps a decoder starting to go bad.

Ben Music

To play devil's advocate here, the following two statements sound strikingly similar.
On the copy protection, he believes that setting "copy once" (0x02) protection on digital tier channels is consistent with TWC policy and FCC regulations.
cable providers must allow "at least one generation of copies" for "pay television, non-premium subscription television, and free conditional access" programming,

Maybe when the stream is copied to the drive it has spent its one copy. This idea seems consistent with the "Copy Never" 0x03 flag used for VOD/PPV content you can't record. If it would be different if they set the digital basic channels to 0x03 and you couldn't put this on your DVR, but they're not.

I just got an email response from Directv that says the same thing.

Our friend over at dbstalk (who I beleive works for DirecTV) said the Indians games on STO HD should start April 4th (tomorrow), not April 11th as he had previously mentioned.

Maybe when the stream is copied to the drive it has spent its one copy. This idea seems consistent with the "Copy Never" 0x03 flag used for VOD/PPV content you can't record. If it would be different if they set the digital basic channels to 0x03 and you couldn't put this on your DVR, but they're not.

Talking to the EFF guy, it seems the whole topic is very murky. There are no clear regulations on what CCI settings are appropriate for digital tier programming.

I've seen some material which suggests that "copy once" should allow both a recording, and for that recording to be copied to another TiVo/PC, at which point the flag gets reset to "copy no more" (0x01), preventing further copies. It seems however the TiVo HD implementation makes no distinction between 0x01 and 0x02, and it's not at all obvious why :-(

However, it looks like there is no analog macrovision protection being applied, so maybe one way to make copyable (SD-only) recordings is to run the composite output from my HD to my Series 2. Will investigate this as a way of getting rid of my converter....

Just got my email response from DirecTV regarding the STO-HD debacle...

Dear Mr.....

Thanks for writing. I understand how important the Indians are to you and we are working to bring you their games in high definition as soon as possible. We expect to start showing games in HD this weekend.

Sincerely,

Allen C.
Employee ID 100139001
DIRECTV Customer Service

Is the issue with Fox-8 News isolated to the 5pm edition?

Typically I try and avoid the local news as it has become all too sensational. Local news has turned into an extended advertisement and entertainment form instead of actually reporting on real news, but that is besides the point......

Anyways, I tuned in for about 10 minutes of the 6pm edition to see what all the talk was about and didn't notice anything wrong with audio/video dropouts.

Is the issue with Fox-8 News isolated to the 5pm edition?

Typically I try and avoid the local news as it has become all too sensational. Local news has turned into an extended advertisement and entertainment form instead of actually reporting on real news, but that is besides the point......

Anyways, I tuned in for about 10 minutes of the 6pm edition to see what all the talk was about and didn't notice anything wrong with audio/video dropouts.

Nope, if you look at my post I mentioned it was going on as I was leaving this morning. So far tonight so good on my recording.

To play devil's advocate here, the following two statements sound strikingly similar.



Maybe when the stream is copied to the drive it has spent its one copy. This idea seems consistent with the "Copy Never" 0x03 flag used for VOD/PPV content you can't record. If it would be different if they set the digital basic channels to 0x03 and you couldn't put this on your DVR, but they're not.

Never copy PPV? Is that how TW does it? I honestly don't know, I've never bought a PPV from TW but that doesn't make any sense. When I had D* we could record PPV.

I've got a feeling that this copy protection thing is TW's way of screwing people who use other DVR's. I've never really believed in a "conspiracy" theory on cable companies but it makes absolutely no sense to put a copy once on a digital stream. PPV, ok I understand. Premium channels, fine.

But even the TBS, TNT, and ESPN channels should be copy freely simply because their analog counterparts are.

Never copy PPV? Is that how TW does it? I honestly don't know, I've never bought a PPV from TW but that doesn't make any sense. When I had D* we could record PPV.

I've got a feeling that this copy protection thing is TW's way of screwing people who use other DVR's. I've never really believed in a "conspiracy" theory on cable companies but it makes absolutely no sense to put a copy once on a digital stream. PPV, ok I understand. Premium channels, fine.

But even the TBS, TNT, and ESPN channels should be copy freely simply because their analog counterparts are.

Yes you can DVR PPV. I've recorded the past couple World Series of Poker final tables.

Is the issue with Fox-8 News isolated to the 5pm edition?

Typically I try and avoid the local news as it has become all too sensational. Local news has turned into an extended advertisement and entertainment form instead of actually reporting on real news, but that is besides the point......

Anyways, I tuned in for about 10 minutes of the 6pm edition to see what all the talk was about and didn't notice anything wrong with audio/video dropouts.

I had to re-load all my channels yesterday. 3.1, 5.1, 8.1 were all gone..I didn't check if they other HD channels were gone too. They came back again in the same spot and all work.

For you D* subscribers out there:

657-1 (STO HD) showed up in the guide this morning. We won't get the whole channel at this point, just the games. Tonight's game is shown for HD.

For you D* subscribers out there:

657-1 (STO HD) showed up in the guide this morning. We won't get the whole channel at this point, just the games. Tonight's game is shown for HD.

Woah. This is great news jtscherne! I would imagine the 24/7 version of this HD channel would go live once DirecTV 11 is up and running in the summer. But for now, I am happy knowing that there is an HD channel reserved for the games.

And just so everyone knows, according to STO's site: (http://www.sportstimeohio.com/)

"The Cleveland Indians at Oakland A’s 4:00pmET game on Saturday April 5 will not be televised because it is scheduled during FOX’s exclusive Saturday window. STO is prohibited from airing a MLB game during this window and FOX chose not to air it as their game of the week. We apologize for the inconvenience, but it is currently the only 2008 game that will not be televised."

Isn't this great news! We still have restricted channels and no additional HD in our area. I'm happy to share this with all of the TW subs out there.

Still no word from my headend person about the restricted digital. This doesn't look good.:mad:

Isn't this great news! We still have restricted channels and no additional HD in our area. I'm happy to share this with all of the TW subs out there.

Still no word from my headend person about the restricted digital. This doesn't look good.:mad:
Hook, I am becoming quite confused over this digital channel copying issue. I just bought a (Toshiba) DVD recorder and have been able to copy a bunch of Fit-TV Shimmy episodes using the "copy to VCR" function and Output 2 of my SA8300. I was also able to copy a "That's Life" episode recorded off 8.1. (In fact, I was quite surprised/pleased that I could "copy to VCR", watch a recorded HD show and record another HD show at the same time.)

What copying is being restricted by the setting of the 0x.0y bits?

Also, I was finally able to watch Channel 8 news at 5 in its entirety yesterday with no break-ups.

AFAICT the copy-protection measures only seem to affect TiVo HD users. If you have a TWC/SA converter, recording from the analog outputs of that (to e.g.a TiVo Series 2 or DVD recorder) does not appear restricted (though this is unlikely for DVI/HDMI outputs and unclear for IEEE 1394).

My program to get rid of my converter box suffered another blow yesterday when my cablecard stopped working again - looks like they deleted the wrong thing when fixing my billing problem. Grrr. What a mess.

Has anyone heard the lastest on AT & T Uverse in Lorain County? I'm about ready to pull the plug on Time Warner even it if means just using my TiVoHD for OTA. My internet access is acting up again and I had to have 2 or 3 cable guys out last time to fix it back in November.

Saturday may be do or die day for TimeWarner for me when they come out for a 3rd time to install the M-Card. I have to call them tonight and let them know my internet access has been acting up all week too. They already came out on Tuesday for yet another call to check the connection outside. Fortunately I did not have to be there.

AFAICT the copy-protection measures only seem to affect TiVo HD users. If you have a TWC/SA converter, recording from the analog outputs of that (to e.g.a TiVo Series 2 or DVD recorder) does not appear restricted (though this is unlikely for DVI/HDMI outputs and unclear for IEEE 1394).




No you guys don't get it. We can record the programs just fine. The problem is that we can't move them from one TiVo to another or store them in our computers.

Sorry, I should have said that recordings made via analog from a converter box to a Series2 do not have the restriction that prevents them being copied to other TiVos/computers.

After yet another call to Mr Davis my cablecard is working again, for now.

No you guys don't get it. We can record the programs just fine. The problem is that we can't move them from one TiVo to another or store them in our computers.

Which, from only what I've read in this thread, appears to be within the rights of the cable co. The only way around these kinds of limitations is the typical "analog hole".

Which, from only what I've read in this thread, appears to be within the rights of the cable co. The only way around these kinds of limitations is the typical "analog hole".

Yeah, it does seem to be within their rights at this time. What irritates me is TiVo seems to have no interest in helping with this. At least at the customer service level.

I put in a call to my contact at headend today. I'll find out tonight if there is any response.

Looks like there is something Tivo can't do! :D:D:D:D:D

I hear a tiny violin! ;)

We had a cleaning person at our house today and she told me that a TW truck stopped by (probably to give me another box). Here is the thing: I had no idea they were coming today. No call. Nothing.

WTF?

We had a cleaning person at our house today and she told me that a TW truck stopped by (probably to give me another box). Here is the thing: I had no idea they were coming today. No call. Nothing.

WTF?

Did you ever order another box or are they swapping them out? I really hope they swap out ALL the Pioneer boxes. The one in my bedroom has been a POS since the Navigator downgrade. About the only thing those Pioneer boxes are good for is target practice :D

I compiled a list of most channels and their CCI byte info. This is for the Canton area, "Post-rebuild" (new lineup), your mileage may vary and it may change at anytime. The data is attached in a pdf. I was not able to complete this for EVERY channel, but I got most of them. It is color coded and sorted per their new lineup info.

Remember 0x00 means programs can be freely transferred between other TiVos and PC's on your network. They can also be archived digitally via PC. 0x02 means programs can be recorded and played back, but cannot be transferred to another TiVo or PC.

For the most part, channels on the digital tier that do not have an analog counterpart are 0x02. There are some anomalies such as:

ABC Family, Hallmark, TV Land, TV ONE, MTV2 and Headline News all have analog channels, but their digital channels are 0x02.

The following channels have analog channels, 0x00 digital counterparts, but their HD channels are 0x02:
History, HGTV, Food, TBS, TNT, A&E, ESPN, ESPN2, STO. That means that TiVos can transfer and digitally copy these channels on analog and digital, but not on their HD feeds.

There is some good news-- all broadcast HD feeds are 0x00, but probably only because the FCC says so.

If you have any questions about the post-rebuild lineup or anything else just let me know. If you want the original Excel file PM me. Thanks.

Did you ever order another box or are they swapping them out? I really hope they swap out ALL the Pioneer boxes. The one in my bedroom has been a POS since the Navigator downgrade. About the only thing those Pioneer boxes are good for is target practice :D

We have an SD Pioneer box as well. It has actually worked great. It was faster than the SA8300HD we have, and although the Navigator "upgrade" slowed it down it still runs pretty well. I find it to be a good SDTV box.

The TW guy was coming to add a new non-DVR HD box. It is not replacing anything that we currently have. I just like how I have no 'effing idea that they are coming out. I was pretty much dumbfounded. I called them, and said I would rather install it myself. The rep told me that even though they are telling everybody that they are "out" of the non-DVR HD boxes, that they will have one to give me at a local store (supposedly because I am on "the list"). We'll see. Ill be pissed if I drive out to the store again and get turned down by another rude rep.

Looks like there is something Tivo can't do! :D:D:D:D:D

I hear a tiny violin! ;)

You know what sometimes I like you but sometimes you really piss me off and now is one of them. Did you not see that the guys don't want us to go through this pissing match.

Be an adult, if you can and knock it off.

Just a fyi for any1 w/ Armstrong cable.
I noticed they moved the local HD channels.
103.1 FOX
103.2 ABC
104.1 NBC
104.3 CBS

You know what sometimes I like you but sometimes you really piss me off and now is one of them. Did you not see that the guys don't want us to go through this pissing match.

Be an adult, if you can and knock it off.

:rolleyes:

I wonder if I could bet any money on the digital realignment never coming to the old Adelphia systems...

:D

I wonder if I could bet any money on the digital realignment never coming to the old Adelphia systems...

:D

It wouldn't suprise me.

It wouldn't suprise me.

Oh, I'm mostly being sarcastic...they have taken a "pause" between the legacy systems and the old Adelphia systems, probably for good technical reasons.

I just wish they'd be better at communicating when the changes are coming. I will have to run Guided Setup on my TiVo S2 again to get a regular digital cable recording on track whenever it happens!

I will have to run Guided Setup on my TiVo S2 again to get a regular digital cable recording on track whenever it happens!

I've noticed an interesting side-effect of the new lineup on my Tivo. When the switch happened, I ran Guided Setup to point to the new lineup, but aborted the rest of GS. Everything seemed to work, so I didn't worry about it.

Here's the interesting part: When viewing the Season Pass list, it shows the channel number from the old lineup, yet it records the matching programs using the new channel number. Ex: "Real Time with Bill Maher" is in the SP list on channel 301, yet it correctly recorded tonight on channel 603.

Still debating if this is a good or bad thing - could be a glitch in TiVo, or could be an indication that the TiVo software is smart enough to work around cable companies changing things. Leaning more towards the good side - as long as the shows are recorded, I really don't care what channel the SP list shows.

Side note: since HBO recently started filming Real Time in true 16:9 HD instead of 4:3 HD w/black bars, I just deleted and re-subscribed to the show on HBO-HD. The season pass now indicates the correct channel 602.

I've noticed an interesting side-effect of the new lineup on my Tivo. When the switch happened, I ran Guided Setup to point to the new lineup, but aborted the rest of GS. Everything seemed to work, so I didn't worry about it.

Here's the interesting part: When viewing the Season Pass list, it shows the channel number from the old lineup, yet it records the matching programs using the new channel number. Ex: "Real Time with Bill Maher" is in the SP list on channel 301, yet it correctly recorded tonight on channel 603.

Still debating if this is a good or bad thing - could be a glitch in TiVo, or could be an indication that the TiVo software is smart enough to work around cable companies changing things. Leaning more towards the good side - as long as the shows are recorded, I really don't care what channel the SP list shows.

Side note: since HBO recently started filming Real Time in true 16:9 HD instead of 4:3 HD w/black bars, I just deleted and re-subscribed to the show on HBO-HD. The season pass now indicates the correct channel 602.

It's up to you. Many people don't like it so they redo their season passes. The problem with that is if you have 70 season passes on two TiVos, that can take some time.

But whether you do it or not it will still work correctly. It would be nice if that could be aligned automatically.

Does this issue actually go away at some point?

My guess is that it shows up with the old channel since the SPs have already been "populated" in the recording list. If this theory is correct, it would start populating the list with listings with the new channel from that day on (2 weeks down the road).

Does this issue actually go away at some point?

My guess is that it shows up with the old channel since the SPs have already been "populated" in the recording list. If this theory is correct, it would start populating the list with listings with the new channel from that day on (2 weeks down the road).

To be honest, I don't know. I've only read that some people just arn't comfortable with it and would rather have it taken care of on it's own. My guess? It probably doesn't change until you change it.

Hey Hook,

This freeze up and audio drop problem has been going on for about 3 to 4 weeks. It seems to be getting worse as the weeks go by. Last night on the 6:00 pm Fox news it got so bad that I almost changed the channel. I checked OTA, TWC, and Directv, and the same freezes and audio drops were on all three. I did notice that on shorter freezes the audio was ok, but on longer ones (5 to 10 sec or more) the audio would would also drop.

Does anyone know a tech at Fox 8? It acts like a loose cable, or perhaps a decoder starting to go bad.

Ben MusicI don't know a tech, however there has been a car parked outside the FOX 8 transmitter building on Pleasant Valley with amateur radio call license plates on a nearly daily basis lately. I'm willing to bet that's the chief engineer's car. I drive past there every day, there usually is nobody parked there. I'm willing to bet the engineer has his hands full at the moment.

Thanks for the PDF list of the CCI setting for the new channel line-up. While having my cablecard service restored (again) yesterday, I got a visit from TWC's local ace cablecard tech. He said two things of interest:

- The TWC policy is that any channel which is transmitted encrypted will have CCI set to 0x02.
This looks consistent with your line-up listing, as the 0x02 channels are mostly either digital tier or non-broadcast HD offerings. While I don't agree with this excessive copy-protection (and apparently Comcast don't do this), it would not appear to be in direct breach of FCC regulations :-(

- That they _plan_ to have the new line-up completed by end April, including the non-legacy Cleveland suburbs.

To be honest, I don't know. I've only read that some people just arn't comfortable with it and would rather have it taken care of on it's own. My guess? It probably doesn't change until you change it.

Thought about this for a while today from a programmer's perspective. I haven't dug into the TiVo internals much, but I'm guessing they use some sort of "channel ID" that's independent of the channel number and callsign. The SP list is probably made up of channel ID and series ID. In MythTV terms, The Weather Channel has XMLID (channel ID) 11187, and their "Weather Now" program has series ID EP00811246. With those two bits of information, the SP scheduler could record the right channel/show even if the channel lineup changes and easily handle things like "record The Simpsons (series ID EP00018693) on any channel at any time". The SP channel number is stuck into a table when the SP is created - that's what shows on your screen, but the actual trigger is channel/series ID. When a recording kicks off, the Now Showing list has an entry added that shows which channel the show was recorded on.

That's just a guess, but that's how I would do it. If I'm right, this would explain this SP magic I'm seeing.

Anybody confused? :)

I don't know a tech, however there has been a car parked outside the FOX 8 transmitter building on Pleasant Valley with amateur radio call license plates on a nearly daily basis lately. I'm willing to bet that's the chief engineer's car. I drive past there every day, there usually is nobody parked there. I'm willing to bet the engineer has his hands full at the moment.

If you think about it, jot down the callsign from the license plate. I'd be interested in looking it up.

I'm not getting any sound from my dolby on WKYC. At first I thought maybe something wrong with my TiVo because the upstairs TiVo was fine, but the upstairs TiVo uses analog sound cables. I switched the downstairs to PCM and there is the sound.

Can one of you guys with Dolby 5.1 take a look and let me know if you're getting digital sound from whatever you use?

Hook, I don't have the projector on right now, but I turned on my STB and receiver, and all 6 channels are lit up on my receiver. So it seems as if I AM receiving surround, but when I put my ears up to the speakers there seems to only be sound coming from the front L and R channels. This is channel 3.1 on TW via QAM in Canton.
Hope this helps and good luck.

Hook, I don't have the projector on right now, but I turned on my STB and receiver, and all 6 channels are lit up on my receiver. So it seems as if I AM receiving surround, but when I put my ears up to the speakers there seems to only be sound coming from the front L and R channels. This is channel 3.1 on TW via QAM in Canton.
Hope this helps and good luck.


Operator error:o

It seems that if you don't turn on the speakers they don't work. With my computer crashing I had to go to the Harmony site which decided to reprogram my remote, incorrectly I might add. I couldn't adjust sound to my rear speakers.

So I stayed up until 2:00 am trying to figure out how to put it back the way it was. I did but earlier in the evening I turned off the front speakers and didn't turn them back on. So the Center speaker wasn't working as well.

All is working fine now. Thanks for the help.

Operator error:o

It seems that if you don't turn on the speakers they don't work. With my computer crashing I had to go to the Harmony site which decided to reprogram my remote, incorrectly I might add. I couldn't adjust sound to my rear speakers.

So I stayed up until 2:00 am trying to figure out how to put it back the way it was. I did but earlier in the evening I turned off the front speakers and didn't turn them back on. So the Center speaker wasn't working as well.

All is working fine now. Thanks for the help.

Glad to hear you got it working ok.:)
BTW, if you'd stop visiting "those sites", then you computer will stop crashing all the time...:p:D.

Hook, I don't have the projector on right now, but I turned on my STB and receiver, and all 6 channels are lit up on my receiver. So it seems as if I AM receiving surround, but when I put my ears up to the speakers there seems to only be sound coming from the front L and R channels. This is channel 3.1 on TW via QAM in Canton.
Hope this helps and good luck.

That's a bad habit most of the Cleveland stations seem to have. WOIO, WEWS and WUAB are always flagged as 3/2.1 and they do an awful upconversion to surround sound. That "fake surround" is :eek:. WKYC is always flagged as 3/2.1, but there is only surround on NBC Dolby Digital porgramming. WBNX is also 3/2.1, but they seem to have a fron 3.1 thing going on. I don't think I've ever heard anything out of the rear speakers on WBNX, even shows identified as Dolby Digital.

The only station that does it "right" is WJW. They are 2/0 anytime non-network programming is on. They switch to 3/2.1 for HD/network programming.
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Speaking of WKYC, I find it interesting that shows like Leno and Conan are liste in the guide as Dolby Digital are not. I only get L and R on Leno and Conan. But the REAL irritating thing is they actually send many HD commercials through in 5.1!! A few days ago my ears were assaulted by that g**damn Volkswagen car alarm commercial in 5.1 at 1:23AM:mad::mad::mad:

I always et my receiver to force 2 channel when leno starts... to be safe;)

Anyone else having macroblocking/freezing issues on WOIO/WUAB? WOIO was OK during "Dexter" tonight, but it was freezing during the local news.

Now I'm getting it on WUAB during "South Park". The first half hour at midnight was OK, but now it's acting up more.

OK guys, I gotta question. I know both of you have pretty good DVR's and I know you don't have to worry about cable cards. Is there any copy restriction? Can you do multi room viewing? Can you use eSATA? And finally can you store to your computer?

I'm not trying to start a battle here, I'm going to war with TW and I want my facts straight.

Thanks. I'd like to hear from a Dish and D* person.

D* person...

At this point no multi room viewing, no computer storing, no way to copy digitally. You CAN use eSATA, but not in addition to the drive in the DVR (it's one or the other).


OK guys, I gotta question. I know both of you have pretty good DVR's and I know you don't have to worry about cable cards. Is there any copy restriction? Can you do multi room viewing? Can you use eSATA? And finally can you store to your computer?

I'm not trying to start a battle here, I'm going to war with TW and I want my facts straight.

Thanks. I'd like to hear from a Dish and D* person.

D* person...

At this point no multi room viewing, no computer storing, no way to copy digitally. You CAN use eSATA, but not in addition to the drive in the DVR (it's one or the other).

It should also be noted that the D* HR-20 can play video, music, and photos stored on a networked PC in the house. I doubt if you'll *ever* see a cable company box with that capability.

There is also the HDPC-20, a D* tuner for the PC which is currently in trials.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=115136&highlight=hdpc-20

By the end of the year the array of hardware and software possibilities with D* is going to be mighty hard to beat.

Edit:
- Remote booking - scheduling a recording from anywhere via the D* website portal - also something I doubt you'll ever see from the cable company.

- The D* Single Wire Multiswitch is out now, lets you run one cable to your D* tuners.

- The AM21 is an ATSC OTA tuner that plugs into the D* HR21 receiver USB port for OTA support

Actually Tivo allows remote booking and it should not make a difference who is providing the signal for them.

It should also be noted that the D* HR-20 can play video, music, and photos stored on a networked PC in the house. I doubt if you'll *ever* see a cable company box with that capability.

There is also the HDPC-20, a D* tuner for the PC which is currently in trials.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=115136&highlight=hdpc-20

By the end of the year the array of hardware and software possibilities with D* is going to be mighty hard to beat.

Edit:
- Remote booking - scheduling a recording from anywhere via the D* website portal - also something I doubt you'll ever see from the cable company.

- The D* Single Wire Multiswitch is out now, lets you run one cable to your D* tuners.

- The AM21 is an ATSC OTA tuner that plugs into the D* HR21 receiver USB port for OTA support

Well, what I'm looking for here is if you can transfer digital channels, why can't we? Now I'm talking about actually transfering the whole file, not streaming.

Well, what I'm looking for here is if you can transfer digital channels, why can't we? Now I'm talking about actually transfering the whole file, not streaming.

I believe some cable boxes are the only ones that allow the capturing of the transport stream through Firewire. There is too much fear of high quality pirating if you allow the digital transfer of these programs off of the hard drive.

I'm an Armstrong subscriber in Medina using a Motorola DVR. I've read some things about the Pace Tahoe DVR which I see Armstrong has listed on their site. Does anyone have a Pace Tahoe DVR with Armstrong? Any opinions on whether it's better than the Motorola? The Tahoe looks like a step up and from what I've read, I could hook up an external drive via an e-SATA cable to increase my HD capacity. I'm very happy with Armstrong but not loving the Motorola. Always looking for something better I guess.

I'm an Armstrong subscriber in Medina using a Motorola DVR. I've read some things about the Pace Tahoe DVR which I see Armstrong has listed on their site. Does anyone have a Pace Tahoe DVR with Armstrong? Any opinions on whether it's better than the Motorola? The Tahoe looks like a step up and from what I've read, I could hook up an external drive via an e-SATA cable to increase my HD capacity. I'm very happy with Armstrong but not loving the Motorola. Always looking for something better I guess.

I have the PACE at home and it is a very good STB. Unfortunately from what I understand the software on the PACE won't support the eSATA connection.

I have the PACE at home and it is a very good STB. Unfortunately from what I understand the software on the PACE won't support the eSATA connection.

Did you have a Motorola before getting the PACE box? If so, what do you like better about the new one? Any downside?

Also, I've been meaning to PM you. I know you have Armstrong and are "in the know." What's the connection between Armstrong and Comcast? I had always suspected that there was some commonality by the fact that Armstrong uses the exact same boxes as Comcast. And the other day I noticed on Channel 888 a Comcast-sponsored on-demand thing that looks like it plays commercials. I haven't been able to find anything else linking the two, though, and Armstrong definitely bills itself as being a stand-alone company.

Thanks.

Did you have a Motorola before getting the PACE box? If so, what do you like better about the new one? Any downside?

Also, I've been meaning to PM you. I know you have Armstrong and are "in the know." What's the connection between Armstrong and Comcast? I had always suspected that there was some commonality by the fact that Armstrong uses the exact same boxes as Comcast. And the other day I noticed on Channel 888 a Comcast-sponsored on-demand thing that looks like it plays commercials. I haven't been able to find anything else linking the two, though, and Armstrong definitely bills itself as being a stand-alone company.

Thanks.

I have family in the Y-Town area that have that STB I think. Works okay, looks nice. The only thing I found annoying is that there was a banner ad in the EPG, a real downer if you ask me.

I recently sent Steve Fry an email about my endeavor to get a non-DVR HD box. I sent him an email last night. And we received apologetic calls this morning and a box was at my doorstep when I came home from work. Jim Long from the Kent office (where the box must have come from) left his business card with the box.

I hate to go to the big guys on top but sometimes you have to in order to get things done!

And, Steve certainly did that.

When I set it up it immediately downloaded the "Mystro" software, which could run better on this HD box (Pioneer), in my opinion. But what do you expect...

My SA8300HD still has Passport on it and is the only box in my house that has not been "Mystro'd" yet.

I recently sent Steve Fry an email about my endeavor to get a non-DVR HD box. I sent him an email last night. And we received apologetic calls this morning and a box was at my doorstep when I came home from work. Jim Long from the Kent office (where the box must have come from) left his business card with the box.

I hate to go to the big guys on top but sometimes you have to in order to get things done!

And, Steve certainly did that.

When I set it up it immediately downloaded the "Mystro" software, which could run better on this HD box (Pioneer), in my opinion. But what do you expect...

My SA8300HD still has Passport on it and is the only box in my house that has not been "Mystro'd" yet.


I don't know if Steve Fry actually looks at those emails, maybe he has an assistant or maybe he does. No one ever really gets an email back from him, but one thing is certain whatever your complaint was it does get addressed and with authority.

I have family in the Y-Town area that have that STB I think. Works okay, looks nice. The only thing I found annoying is that there was a banner ad in the EPG, a real downer if you ask me.

The moto boxes have them too. They suck, but you get used to it.

I believe some cable boxes are the only ones that allow the capturing of the transport stream through Firewire. There is too much fear of high quality pirating if you allow the digital transfer of these programs off of the hard drive.

The firewire port carries 5C content protection, just like HDMI carries HDCP.

Am I the only person in North East Ohio that is unable to watch a freakin TV show without signal problems... I have had it with Time Warner. I am 45 minutes into "New Amsterdam" and the signal is just cutting out and pausing and dropping for no reason. ARGH!!!!!

I live in a 5 year old house, with structured RG6 quad shield wiring, in a new development. If I hear one more time from Time Warner that it is not there problem, I am going to scream.

Thanks for listening... Rant Over :)

-Scott

Am I the only person in North East Ohio that is unable to watch a freakin TV show without signal problems... I have had it with Time Warner. I am 45 minutes into "New Amsterdam" and the signal is just cutting out and pausing and dropping for no reason. ARGH!!!!!

I live in a 5 year old house, with structured RG6 quad shield wiring, in a new development. If I hear one more time from Time Warner that it is not there problem, I am going to scream.

Thanks for listening... Rant Over :)

-Scott

Scott....We've been talking about this for some time now. Fox 8 is having problems. It's not TW. OTA people see it and everyone else.

So point your frustration at FOX 8.

Funny how we always think first "it's the provider" then "it's my equipment" and last "it's the broadcaster."

It's not just Fox 8. The NCAA game on CBS HD is unwatchable due to continuous freeze ups. I am watching it ok on TW Channel 9 (SD), but it sure looks better in HD. SD is not what I paid for - TW is really screwed up tonight, at least in the Canton area.

Scott....We've been talking about this for some time now. Fox 8 is having problems. It's not TW. OTA people see it and everyone else.

So point your frustration at FOX 8.

Funny how we always think first "it's the provider" then "it's my equipment" and last "it's the broadcaster."

Hook, Thanks for the heads up.. I am just frustrated with TWC because I am on my 3rd SA8300 HDC, and this one is going back on Thursday. The hard drive fried on box 1, box 2 only recorded what it wanted to, and this box won't output in HD unless I run the setup wizard every time I power up.

I apologize that I haven't been keeping up with the forums lately. As usual, you folks have the answers. Thank you agian for the info

--Scott

It's not just Fox 8. The NCAA game on CBS HD is unwatchable due to continuous freeze ups. I am watching it ok on TW Channel 9 (SD), but it sure looks better in HD. SD is not what I paid for - TW is really screwed up tonight, at least in the Canton area.

Here in Amherst we have trouble with all the HD local channels, which seems like every other day. One or all will go out at any given time. One time there is no signal other times my TV shows audio only (with no sound). I don't have any trouble with the rest of the HD channels, only the local. I have Time Warner with cablecard.

It's not just Fox 8. The NCAA game on CBS HD is unwatchable due to continuous freeze ups. I am watching it ok on TW Channel 9 (SD), but it sure looks better in HD. SD is not what I paid for - TW is really screwed up tonight, at least in the Canton area.

Me too in N. Canton. My buddy in Cuyahoga Falls is seeing the same thing. I hate the fact I have to watch in SD. :mad:

TWC is having issues tonight here in Streetsboro as well. Several of the HD channels are freezing up and RR seems a bit flakey tonight. (I verified Fox, CBS, CW, WUAB). I checked that the same issues are on both of our TVs and SA8300s. I tried calling the 800 number, but I get a busy signal .... not even put on hold. I haven't seen any issues with the Indians on STOHD.

edit: STOHD is having a few issues but not nearly as bad as CBS or Fox.

TWC is having issues tonight here in Streetsboro as well. Several of the HD channels are freezing up and RR seems a bit flakey tonight. (I verified Fox, CBS, CW, WUAB). I checked that the same issues are on both of our TVs and SA8300s. I tried calling the 800 number, but I get a busy signal .... not even put on hold. I haven't seen any issues with the Indians on STOHD.

edit: STOHD is having a few issues but not nearly as bad as CBS or Fox.

ABC (Channel 5.1 ) had issues as well (I am also Time Warner)

ABC (Channel 5.1 ) had issues as well (I am also Time Warner)
My wife was commenting on these problems as well. She observed them on a number of different channels last night. I watched only briefly last night, but I did note that Wheel of Fortune locked up long enough to miss the entire "bonus round" puzzle. And for a little while, we were getting audio along with a blank gray screen.

Did you have a Motorola before getting the PACE box? If so, what do you like better about the new one? Any downside?

Also, I've been meaning to PM you. I know you have Armstrong and are "in the know." What's the connection between Armstrong and Comcast? I had always suspected that there was some commonality by the fact that Armstrong uses the exact same boxes as Comcast. And the other day I noticed on Channel 888 a Comcast-sponsored on-demand thing that looks like it plays commercials. I haven't been able to find anything else linking the two, though, and Armstrong definitely bills itself as being a stand-alone company.

Thanks.

This comes from being "in the know" about the eSATA port:

"You can hook up an external hard drive, but the DCT will format it to the DCT. It will not allow you to record to a specific HD and you cannot take that drive and hook it to another DCT or to a PC. All it does is increase capacity on the particular box it is mated to."

The last I knew, Comcast was still the ad rep for Armstrong. I believe Comcast handles traffic for Armstrong's local commercials.

The only thing I noticed between the PACE and Motorola was the PQ was much better on the DVI connector. I ended up using the component cables on the Motorola because the picture looked washed out. The PACE looked good over DVI. Also the PACE has more storage.

The firewire port carries 5C content protection, just like HDMI carries HDCP.

That's true, but at least there's a manageable content stream available from that port. Neither D* or E* even offer that type of connectivity, which I believe was getting to the root of Hook's question.

My wife was commenting on these problems as well. She observed them on a number of different channels last night. I watched only briefly last night, but I did note that Wheel of Fortune locked up long enough to miss the entire "bonus round" puzzle. And for a little while, we were getting audio along with a blank gray screen.

Well, maybe it is TW but I do know that the Fox 8 issue was everywhere.

Since I don't watch hardly anything live it's hard for me to say, but I do know that last night or the night before I had turned on the news upstairs after it froze on FOX HD. It was working fine then and I had to change channels to get my downstairs tv back up to where they were currently.

Now I hate to defend a cable company but lets face it this conversion stuff is on going and it's going to cause some problems. No doubt if it is TW, that's the reason.

Remember 0x00 means programs can be freely transferred between other TiVos and PC's on your network. They can also be archived digitally via PC. 0x02 means programs can be recorded and played back, but cannot be transferred to another TiVo or PC.

There is some good news-- all broadcast HD feeds are 0x00, but probably only because the FCC says so.

If you have any questions about the post-rebuild lineup or anything else just let me know. If you want the original Excel file PM me. Thanks.

MO,

A couple of questions from a new guy .. I've read through a bunch of this thread, and I think I understand things .. but just to be sure before I take the plunge completely (looking to build out mythtv throughout the house):

Is it a correct assumption that 0x00 channels should be available as firewire feeds on a FW enabled STB? Is that the breakdown .. 0x00 through firewire, but 0x02 not?

Also, it's my understanding that 0x00 does NOT equate to QAM in the clear. In otherwords, I shouldn't expect to pull all these 0x00 directly with a QAM tuner (say HDHomerun) without a STB. Is this right? Or can I QAM the 0x00 directly?

Thanks for your time, effort and help.

edit: STOHD is having a few issues but not nearly as bad as CBS or Fox.

Well the Indians game was all I was watching last night (SD via E*) and they cut away to Cheif Wahoo logo flanked by "HD" side-boxdes at least twice (and the audio dropped down to telco qualilty). The gremlins must have been out in force last night. There was a lot of pixillation and audio drop-outs (however the commercials wee 100% fine). They even announced that the "guys in the truck" were having some technical problems. It appeard to me that the problem was between the stadium and the STO master control, so I presume those of you watching on cable or D* saw the same thing.

Well the Indians game was all I was watching last night (SD via E*) and they cut away to Cheif Wahoo logo flanked by "HD" side-boxdes at least twice (and the audio dropped down to telco qualilty). The gremlins must have been out in force last night. There was a lot of pixillation and audio drop-outs (however the commercials wee 100% fine). They even announced that the "guys in the truck" were having some technical problems. It appeard to me that the problem was between the stadium and the STO master control, so I presume those of you watching on cable or D* saw the same thing.

The cameras are backhauled over fiber to WKYC where the program is switched for STO. I'm guessing they had trouble with the fiber backhaul.

The cameras are backhauled over fiber to WKYC where the program is switched for STO. I'm guessing they had trouble with the fiber backhaul.

They fibered the cameras from Los Angeles to Cleveland ?

They fibered the cameras from Los Angeles to Cleveland ?

DOH! I forgot it was an away game. :o Never mind.:)

They fibered the cameras from Los Angeles to Cleveland ?

Wow, that would be one hell of a cable. And can you imagine what would happen if someone cut it accidentally?:)

This comes from being "in the know" about the eSATA port:

"You can hook up an external hard drive, but the DCT will format it to the DCT. It will not allow you to record to a specific HD and you cannot take that drive and hook it to another DCT or to a PC. All it does is increase capacity on the particular box it is mated to."

The last I knew, Comcast was still the ad rep for Armstrong. I believe Comcast handles traffic for Armstrong's local commercials.

The only thing I noticed between the PACE and Motorola was the PQ was much better on the DVI connector. I ended up using the component cables on the Motorola because the picture looked washed out. The PACE looked good over DVI. Also the PACE has more storage.

Thank you for the reply. So the eSata port IS active? Cool.

What's the size of the PACE box? It doesn't say on Armstrong's site. And are the DVR functions similar? I know the Moto box has a lot of enemies, but since it's really the only DVR I've ever known (I've purposefully stayed away from the TiVO because I don't know what I'm missing), I've been OK with it. But if the size is bigger, the eSata is active, and it's better from a functional standpoint, I may have to develop a "problem" with one of the Moto boxes and ask for an exchange... ;)

Thank you for the reply. So the eSata port IS active? Cool.

What's the size of the PACE box? It doesn't say on Armstrong's site. And are the DVR functions similar? I know the Moto box has a lot of enemies, but since it's really the only DVR I've ever known (I've purposefully stayed away from the TiVO because I don't know what I'm missing), I've been OK with it. But if the size is bigger, the eSata is active, and it's better from a functional standpoint, I may have to develop a "problem" with one of the Moto boxes and ask for an exchange... ;)

e-Sata works with TW SA 8300, however when I used it I noticed it was what was responsible for my getting partial recordings. When disconnected I didn't have that problem.

But who can live with only 20 hours HD time?

I used the then "approved" Matrex 300gb box for the SA 8300.

Thank you for the reply. So the eSata port IS active? Cool.

What's the size of the PACE box? It doesn't say on Armstrong's site. And are the DVR functions similar? I know the Moto box has a lot of enemies, but since it's really the only DVR I've ever known (I've purposefully stayed away from the TiVO because I don't know what I'm missing), I've been OK with it. But if the size is bigger, the eSata is active, and it's better from a functional standpoint, I may have to develop a "problem" with one of the Moto boxes and ask for an exchange... ;)

It has the same footprint as the Motorola. Maybe a little thinner.

Lost ABC 5.1 (QAM tuner) last night (TWC in Twinsburg) and still not back this morning. 5.1 is missing from the channel list. Anyone else have this happen to them? I have been having the same problems as everyone else with the local HD channels ( Lock-ups, pixillation, and audio drop-outs).

While we're on the STO subject, I just got TWC to credit me a significant chunk of this months bill, because STOHD took over channel 798, where the Cavs are normally broadcast in HD. That means, I got screwed out of the last 3 FSO HD Cavs games of the season.

Freaking TWC. :\

We got the new lineup today in New Phila. There are a couple issues, though. WBNX-HD is missing from the guide on 407. Our TV Land is showing color bars. Also, checking on the the diagnostics screen 1611, our new "repeat of analog" channels like sci-fi (51) and sci-fi (224) are both analog.

While we're on the STO subject, I just got TWC to credit me a significant chunk of this months bill, because STOHD took over channel 798, where the Cavs are normally broadcast in HD. That means, I got screwed out of the last 3 FSO HD Cavs games of the season.

Freaking TWC. :\


I think they did you a favor.:p

I think they did you a favor.:p

if by favor, you mean a $30 credit, then yes... But since I rarely watch anything but the Cavs and Tribe, I still feel I got screwed... If they would have realigned the channels before the start of the baseball season, this wouldn't be an issue.... :rolleyes:

if by favor, you mean a $30 credit, then yes... But since I rarely watch anything but the Cavs and Tribe, I still feel I got screwed... If they would have realigned the channels before the start of the baseball season, this wouldn't be an issue.... :rolleyes:

Actually I'm very surprised they did that. Now maybe I'm upset too and I'll give them a call.;)

Yeah, but you're upset because they're not putting the Dodgers on the channel!

:-~

Hook,

You seem to have the best grasp of dealing with TWC in the thread. Can you recommend the best course of action for someone looking to obtain a Firewire enabled box, per FCC regs?

I swapped out last weekend by picking up at Garfield Heights, and they told me that they thought this was a firewire enabled box .. but it's all disabled.

SA8300HDC, HD DVR.

Thanks for your recommendation!

Not sure if this belongs in this thread. I was driving home today and saw that Armstrong is pulling fiber ALL OVER Medina. They are doing the pulls now by the break-out-boxes that convert the fiber to copper. Could this be the beginning of Armstrong's copper-over-glass campaign in Medina?

Here is the news all E* subs have been waiting for:
(from DBS Talk (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=125259))

HD Locals Launching in Cleveland, OH
Programming Changes/Additions: 4/7/2008 5:16 PM
Effective Thursday, April 10, 2008 by 6:00 a.m. ET, DISH Network will launch the ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX in high definition (HD) into the Cleveland, OH locals package at no additional programming charge.

Customers must subscribe to a dishHD programming package or pay the HD enabling fee in order to receive the HD local channels as a part of their local programming package. Additionally, customers must have a dishHD receiver and an antenna pointed at the 61.5 orbital location.

Station Affiliation DISH Network Chnl # Local Chnl # Satellite
WEWS ABC 5200 5 61.5
WOIO CBS 5201 19 61.5
WKYC NBC 5202 3 61.5
WJW FOX 5203 8 61.5

Lost ABC 5.1 (QAM tuner) last night (TWC in Twinsburg) and still not back this morning. 5.1 is missing from the channel list. Anyone else have this happen to them? I have been having the same problems as everyone else with the local HD channels ( Lock-ups, pixillation, and audio drop-outs).
5.1 is also lost in Burton as of last night.....

I swapped out last weekend by picking up at Garfield Heights, and they told me that they thought this was a firewire enabled box .. but it's all disabled.

SA8300HDC, HD DVR.

What are you plugging the firewire port into? I've used firewire on 8300HD boxes.

I am in same boat - no more Cavs in HD, because Amherst has not had the realignment yet. I don't want a credit, just the Cavs in HD. TW is on the their last leg with me and I can't believe that I have stayed with them this long. Few HD channels and screw ups like this. They could care less about their customer base. TW is pathetic!


While we're on the STO subject, I just got TWC to credit me a significant chunk of this months bill, because STOHD took over channel 798, where the Cavs are normally broadcast in HD. That means, I got screwed out of the last 3 FSO HD Cavs games of the season.

Freaking TWC. :\

yep head on over to satelliteguys.us and you will see in the uplink report Cleveland HD locals became available through Dish Network....you need a 61.5 satellite, and subscribe to a HD package, by the way I have them up with OTA and cable and they look great, no difference that I have seen yet. All colors look good, picture is really sharp with no audio delay or lip sync issues (usually plags HD locals when they go up)

Hook,

You seem to have the best grasp of dealing with TWC in the thread. Can you recommend the best course of action for someone looking to obtain a Firewire enabled box, per FCC regs?

I swapped out last weekend by picking up at Garfield Heights, and they told me that they thought this was a firewire enabled box .. but it's all disabled.

SA8300HDC, HD DVR.

Thanks for your recommendation!

Sorry, can't help you on that. I've never dealt with firewire enabled boxes.

I

What are you plugging the firewire port into? I've used firewire on 8300HD boxes.

Mythtv.

Per FCC regulations, cable company must supply Firewire-enabled STB upon request, and such STB must make mpeg streams available to the firewire port for certain content. There ARE limits to it .. but I believe the firewire streaming should provide all channels that are CCI 0x00.

Another big reason to use firewire enabled STB is that it enables mythtv to switch the channels on the STB without an IR blaster. So even when capturing off say the S-Video port (SD only) .. you can use the firewire to switch the channels.

With the 5c stuff .. it's all a little limited, as you can't yet capture HD signals off component sources .. but at a minimum the local HD channels that can be grabbed OTA MUST BE AVAILABLE via the firewire port .. per FCC regs.

Sorry, can't help you on that. I've never dealt with firewire enabled boxes.

I

Would you say that the customer service contact you have is a good place to start in getting past the folks reading the standard call sheets at the 800 number?

It's a thing where I can't get past the new guy at the desk because they simply don't understand what I'm asking for.

Mythtv.

Per FCC regulations, cable company must supply Firewire-enabled STB upon request, and such STB must make mpeg streams available to the firewire port for certain content. There ARE limits to it .. but I believe the firewire streaming should provide all channels that are CCI 0x00.

Another big reason to use firewire enabled STB is that it enables mythtv to switch the channels on the STB without an IR blaster. So even when capturing off say the S-Video port (SD only) .. you can use the firewire to switch the channels.

With the 5c stuff .. it's all a little limited, as you can't yet capture HD signals off component sources .. but at a minimum the local HD channels that can be grabbed OTA MUST BE AVAILABLE via the firewire port .. per FCC regs.

Or you could get a HD TiVo and you would be able to move those local HD channels via ethernet or wireless network.

Or you could get a HD TiVo and you would be able to move those local HD channels via ethernet or wireless network.

Yes .. but my objective is a little more real-time and progressive than just being able to move recordings onto other PC's.

It remains to be seen if it is in fact feasible, but what I'm trying to do is set up a core mythtv server that all TV's in the house use. Every TV in the house would share the same DVR .. so you can record from anyone of the sets .. and all of the sets can playback the recordings .. so if you're in the basement watching a show and want to retire to the bedroom, you can pick it up there because the whole house is on one big (TB or more storage) DVR.

The other benefit of a system like mythtv is that you can integrate your entire digital library with it .. so all of your movies are available at any set with the push of a button on the remote .. in the house VOD I guess.

It's a tinkerer's project at this point. That much I've learned already. In about 2 months there will be an HD capable capture card that can grab the HD signals off of component inputs. Priced about where the TiVO HD would be .. and can feed into the mythtv system.

Cost wise, the firewire ports seem to me to be the best option if I can squeeze an FCC compliant STB or two from TWC.

It has the same footprint as the Motorola. Maybe a little thinner.

:p I guess I should have been more precise. I meant, what's the size of the hard drive in the Pace box?

MO,

A couple of questions from a new guy .. I've read through a bunch of this thread, and I think I understand things .. but just to be sure before I take the plunge completely (looking to build out mythtv throughout the house):

Is it a correct assumption that 0x00 channels should be available as firewire feeds on a FW enabled STB? Is that the breakdown .. 0x00 through firewire, but 0x02 not?

Also, it's my understanding that 0x00 does NOT equate to QAM in the clear. In otherwords, I shouldn't expect to pull all these 0x00 directly with a QAM tuner (say HDHomerun) without a STB. Is this right? Or can I QAM the 0x00 directly?

Thanks for your time, effort and help.

I wish I could help you out with some of your questions however I can only guess about FireWire/QAM with the CCI byte. 0x00 should be able to pass through the FireWire with no problems. 0x02 will most likely not. As far as the QAM, there is a list floating around here that gives the channels available on TW and their cooresponding numbers. From what I remember, every 0x00 channel does not have a QAM channel. Sorry I can't give you any solid info!

Just as an FYI, this is what I'm chasing here.

The FCC has passed a regulation that if you are in the united states,
and you have a HD subscription and a HD cable box, they have to on your
request replace or upgrade your cable box with working FireWire.

See: URL:http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-03-225A1.pdf

Page 50, section 4
(4) Cable operators shall:
(i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any
leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional
IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394
interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other
means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional."

Seems like an easy request to comply to, I would think .. I just need to find the right tech support individual to make it happen.

^ Just call TWC and have them bring out every HD box model they carry so you can find the box with the active firewire port. It sounds easy, but while HD is a small subset of their customers, ones that want an active firewire port can likely be counted on one hand. So knowledgeable staff is even more difficult to find on this subject.

Your best chance is to call TWC during the day. Insist they escalate your call to a second level tech or better to discuss the firewire port. The techs you want to talk to usually work the 8-5 hours (from my experience).

Good luck sabhain. Even if you find a HD box with a firewire port chances are it will have video and audio dropouts. I just swapped out a 8300 STB that had constant audio and video dropouts every 5-10 seconds for another 8300 STB that does it every 20-30 seconds. I use to have the same problems with the Motorola Boxes too from Comcast and Time Warner. I think out of about 6 boxes I've tried overall, only one or two didn't have constant audio and video dropouts. I've only used one device connected via firewire, a JVC 40000 DVHS, but I doubt that device is the reason for the video and audio dropouts. I may try using my HTPC to be sure.

Just as an FYI, this is what I'm chasing here.

The FCC has passed a regulation that if you are in the united states,
and you have a HD subscription and a HD cable box, they have to on your
request replace or upgrade your cable box with working FireWire.

See: URL:http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-03-225A1.pdf

Page 50, section 4
(4) Cable operators shall:
(i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any
leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional
IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394
interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other
means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional."

Seems like an easy request to comply to, I would think .. I just need to find the right tech support individual to make it happen.


Perfect. Now is the time to play the Steve Fry card. Send a professional letter (Dear Mr. Fry,

According to FCC regulations your company is required....etc. etc (then show link and copy of the actual law) and they have not provided this to me despite my request.)

Send this link to stev.fry@twcable.com I guarantee you will get what you want.

Goodbye TWC and back to DISH Network for me. I have been waiting for the HD locals to make it to Cleveland Dish Network so I could drop my TWC sevice down to cable modem only. I would have moved to D* but I have friends who have had some trouble with CS. I was originally an E* subscriber going back to when E* had less than 50,000 subs. I was always happy with the service and only moved to TWC (Comcast at the time) to get high speed cable modem in the house.

Ray


Here is the news all E* subs have been waiting for:
(from DBS Talk)

HD Locals Launching in Cleveland, OH
Programming Changes/Additions: 4/7/2008 5:16 PM
Effective Thursday, April 10, 2008 by 6:00 a.m. ET, DISH Network will launch the ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX in high definition (HD) into the Cleveland, OH locals package at no additional programming charge.

Customers must subscribe to a dishHD programming package or pay the HD enabling fee in order to receive the HD local channels as a part of their local programming package. Additionally, customers must have a dishHD receiver and an antenna pointed at the 61.5 orbital location.

Station Affiliation DISH Network Chnl # Local Chnl # Satellite
WEWS ABC 5200 5 61.5
WOIO CBS 5201 19 61.5
WKYC NBC 5202 3 61.5
WJW FOX 5203 8 61.5

Perfect. Now is the time to play the Steve Fry card. Send a professional letter (Dear Mr. Fry,

According to FCC regulations your company is required....etc. etc (then show link and copy of the actual law) and they have not provided this to me despite my request.)

Send this link to stev.fry@twcable.com I guarantee you will get what you want.

Thanks for that. I've made one last inquiry directly through CS, and then I'll play the Fry card tomorrow if nothing changes. I'll keep you posted.

For anyone looking to kill time, here's a link that demonstrates the kind of setup that I'm after here long term. The MCE end of things is secondary .. I'm mainly working on best utilizing the TWC feeds into MythTV at the moment:

http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Screenshots

I am in the Canton area and last night the game was listed on channel 436 which is FSNHD. I went there to watch the game and the channel said "the Blujackets game is blacked out due to NHL blackout rules" or something to that effect. So I called TWC CS and he said he went to a tv in the place and its on there. I told him what my screen was saying and he said "Well that is weird". I was like yeah.. it is. I was able to watch the cavs game in HD before the channel realignment, i wonder if this has something to the that?? Does anyone else in the Canton area have issues with watching the cavs game on channel 436? Thanks!
mgd

Lost ABC 5.1 (QAM tuner) last night (TWC in Twinsburg) and still not back this morning. 5.1 is missing from the channel list. Anyone else have this happen to them? I have been having the same problems as everyone else with the local HD channels ( Lock-ups, pixillation, and audio drop-outs).

Lost it in University Heights as well. Wife called and told me that std def 5 looks terrible as well. Also said that CBS std def (4) is bad but HD (19-1) is ok. Same on Channel 3. HD is ok Std is poor. I don't know about Fox.

I'm not in the Canton area, but I'm close in New Phila, and we had the game on 436, just fine. I would say there's a glitch in the programming for the Canton area.

Directv has added WBNX-DT to its locals. I just discovered it by accident tonight and I haven't seen it mentioned anyplace else. I've got Smallville on right now and it looks great!


Channel 43 is not yet available in HD from D*.

If you think about it, jot down the callsign from the license plate. I'd be interested in looking it up.
Wouldn't you know, right after I posted that car was not seen again...until today. "K8MR"

BTW: FOX 8 had troubles again last night during the 10 PM news. This time I believe I caught wat is going on. PSIP data errors! Everything was fine until I switched the channel during a commercial, when I went back "8-1 not found". Even though I had 125 signal strength. I tried a rescan on rf ch 31, it found the signal but no PSIP data.

Wouldn't you know, right after I posted that car was not seen again...until today. "K8MR"

BTW: FOX 8 had troubles again last night during the 10 PM news. This time I believe I caught wat is going on. PSIP data errors! Everything was fine until I switched the channel during a commercial, when I went back "8-1 not found". Even though I had 125 signal strength. I tried a rescan on rf ch 31, it found the signal but no PSIP data.

It happened this morning as well. Temporary freeze up. They do seem to be having some problems. Anyone tried to shoot out an email their way? I'll give it a go.

Here is the news all E* subs have been waiting for:

HD Locals Launching in Cleveland, OH
Programming Changes/Additions: 4/7/2008 5:16 PM
Effective Thursday, April 10, 2008 by 6:00 a.m. ET, DISH Network will launch the ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX in high definition (HD) into the Cleveland, OH locals package at no additional programming charge.

Customers must subscribe to a dishHD programming package or pay the HD enabling fee in order to receive the HD local channels as a part of their local programming package. Additionally, customers must have a dishHD receiver and an antenna pointed at the 61.5 orbital location.

Station Affiliation DISH Network Chnl # Local Chnl # Satellite
WEWS ABC 5200 5 61.5
WOIO CBS 5201 19 61.5
WKYC NBC 5202 3 61.5
WJW FOX 5203 8 61.5

I'm not very up-to-date on all the satellite connections, so I was wondering if anyone could help me sort out this locals in HD business.

Now I see that Cleveland just got 3, 5, 8, and 19 out into HD, but even after a reboot I'm not seeing them in HD, just grainy SD still.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2015/2405277388_95af278975_m.jpg
[apple commercial, in proper 4:3 on my widescreen so that the black bars are on the side. that background should be as black as the sides. local channel 19; craptasticly downgraded from HD. this is why i want my locals in HD, stat, lol.]


I have the E* ViP722 HD DVR, I believe a DISH1000 dish with 3 receiver nodes on it, and I believe I'm pointed at 110 & 119 for SD and 129 for HD. I just got E* at the tail end of '07, probably around October. Also, I am paying the extra 5 a month to get the locals 'cause I don't get any OTA reception here in Kent.

So I guess what I'm getting at is two things:

Is 61.5 a satellite I need to be pointed at to get the locals in HD?
(I believe this is the case)

And if so, is E* going to be putting the local HDs onto 129 so that I can actually see it?, or am I supposed to be doing something to get pointed at 61.5 (which I can only assume is an older satellite or part of an older system)?

Any help or advice is much appreciated.

I'm not very up-to-date on all the satellite connections, so I was wondering if anyone could help me sort out this locals in HD business.

Now I see that Cleveland just got 3, 5, 8, and 19 out into HD, but even after a reboot I'm not seeing them in HD, just grainy SD still.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2015/2405277388_95af278975_m.jpg
[apple commercial, in proper 4:3 on my widescreen so that the black bars are on the side. that background should be as black as the sides. local channel 19; craptasticly downgraded from HD. this is why i want my locals in HD, stat, lol.]


I have the E* ViP722 HD DVR, I believe a DISH1000 dish with 3 receiver nodes on it, and I believe I'm pointed at 110 & 119 for SD and 129 for HD. I just got E* at the tail end of '07, probably around October. Also, I am paying the extra 5 a month to get the locals 'cause I don't get any OTA reception here in Kent.

So I guess what I'm getting at is two things:

Is 61.5 a satellite I need to be pointed at to get the locals in HD?
(I believe this is the case)

And if so, is E* going to be putting the local HDs onto 129 so that I can actually see it?, or am I supposed to be doing something to get pointed at 61.5 (which I can only assume is an older satellite or part of an older system)?

Any help or advice is much appreciated.

The new Cleveland Local's that E* added yesterday can only be seen on satellite 61.5.

If you want to see them, you will have to get another dish on your roof in addition to what you already have. 61.5 is apx 70° apart from the other satellite locations and the LNB's on your existing dish most likely won't be able to pickup 61.5.

Typically an install includes pointing at either 129 or 61.5 and not both as most channels that are on 129 are on 61.5 also. That is except Lil's's and RSN's. Local's are on 61.5 and 129! Meaning that if you want to maintain the RSN's, (STO and FSN) you need to have 129 operational too. I believe it's in E*s future plans to move or mirror the RSN's on 61.5, but as of now they are only shown on 129.

You will have to consult the Dish Forums for detailed future plans, but this is my best interpretation of what's going on.

Thanks for that. I've made one last inquiry directly through CS, and then I'll play the Fry card tomorrow if nothing changes. I'll keep you posted.


Update: I've been pursuing this through the email CS, and some progress has been made. I did a reboot of the box, an when it came back up, some of the 1394 settings were changed from DISABLED to {whatever} .. but not all. So it would appear that I'm in contact with someone that knows a little about this. Working through whether or not the FW feed is really there now ..

On a related note, do we know for certain that TWC will be updating the STB software to something other than SARA with the lineup change? I've searched through this, and there appears to be some indication that they will be pushing Mystro down to the STB's .. does anyone have a firm understanding of what will happen to the SA8300HDC's with the lineup change .. they must update the software to some degree, right?

This will help me decide how much to fiddle with this now, vs waiting a {few days / weeks} for the {rumored} reconfiguration. BTW, I'm in Cleveland Suburbs 1.

Thanks.

Update: I've been pursuing this through the email CS, and some progress has been made. I did a reboot of the box, an when it came back up, some of the 1394 settings were changed from DISABLED to {whatever} .. but not all. So it would appear that I'm in contact with someone that knows a little about this. Working through whether or not the FW feed is really there now ..

On a related note, do we know for certain that TWC will be updating the STB software to something other than SARA with the lineup change? I've searched through this, and there appears to be some indication that they will be pushing Mystro down to the STB's .. does anyone have a firm understanding of what will happen to the SA8300HDC's with the lineup change .. they must update the software to some degree, right?

This will help me decide how much to fiddle with this now, vs waiting a {few days / weeks} for the {rumored} reconfiguration. BTW, I'm in Cleveland Suburbs 1.

Thanks.

I think they are doing the lineups separately from the software. I have the new lineup, have had it for a few weeks now, and our SA8300HD is still running Navigator. The other non-HD pioneer boxes both have Mystro though.

Congratulations goes out to E* for finally getting their HD Cleveland locals. (WKYC, WEWS, WJW and WOIO). This is great news for Cleveland and HD subs in general.

I've also added WBNX-HD to the D* HD list.

See revised Cleveland HD Channel List by Provider Link in my signature below.

An alternative to firewire for getting clear QAM channels into a MythTV box would be an HD-Homerun box or similar, which can pump them out as streams on Ethernet. This does not of course help for encrypted channels.

If I've understood correctly, STBs should treat encrypted QAM channels with CCI=0x00 the same as clear QAM channels in terms of what they output via their digital (firewire/HDMI/ether/etc) port(s), but just because TWC always set CCI=0x02 for encrypted channels does not mean that other combinations of encrypted/clear and CCI values are impossible.

If only Homerun/MythTV boxes would take cablecards...

An alternative to firewire for getting clear QAM channels into a MythTV box would be an HD-Homerun box or similar, which can pump them out as streams on Ethernet. This does not of course help for encrypted channels.
In my master plan, I'm going to add an HDHomerun to double up on the OTA / HD channels that are available. Next week, I'm borrowing a friend's QAM tuner card to get an idea of what if any of the SD digitals are clear QAM. I'm not optimistic.

If I've understood correctly, STBs should treat encrypted QAM channels with CCI=0x00 the same as clear QAM channels in terms of what they output via their digital (firewire/HDMI/ether/etc) port(s), but just because TWC always set CCI=0x02 for encrypted channels does not mean that other combinations of encrypted/clear and CCI values are impossible.
Right .. I think the STB via 1394 should output all 0x00 channels to the port. The benefit here is that the PVR doesn't need to encode the signals .. they are native MPEG streams that can just be copied to the HD/Raid directly.

The other real benefit of the 1394 setup is the ability to change channels on the STB and control the STB directly from the PC. Then you're not fighting IR blasters .. the latency is a bit better .. etc. If you can get control of the box, at a minimum, you can capture the S-Video out and you'll get all the channels. For the non-HD digitals, this should be pretty good.

If only Homerun/MythTV boxes would take cablecards...

Right you are. The ATI thing is the only cablecard tuner device currently available, but it shackles you to a specific M$ winblows vista box in order to use it. No hope for Sage / Mythtv.

I'd be happy if I could just go out and buy my own non-DVR HD set top box and then lease the cablecard. This was the FCC's intent when they forced the cable companies to use cablecard .. but the manufacturers of the boxes have colluded w/ the providers to prevent us from obtaining them.

The pain about all this is that it's setup to prevent piracy, moneymaking schemes .. etc. But the end effect of it is that it's holding the rest of us back from having REALLY cool home media setups without spending a fortune.

There may be good news coming soon on the HD end of things: Hauppage is supposedly preparing to market an HD-PVR capture card that captures HD streams off of component inputs. Still no DVI / HDMI .. but it's a step in the right direction. I'll be interested in seeing if it actually happens or not.

Anybody else on D* getting the Tribe game in HD? I don't have a 657-1 in my guide, and tuning 657 gives me a 4:3 SD picture on my HR20.

Edit: Nevermind, I got it. Wasn't in my favorites list yet. :o

Has WKYC joined the sad fraternity of stations such as WEWS with bad lip sync?

Seems like this past week has been really really bad. :(

Has WKYC joined the sad fraternity of stations such as WEWS with bad lip sync?

Seems like this past week has been really really bad. :(

I haven't noticed that yet but still no High Def WEWS. Anybody know anything?..I'm using a QAM tuner.

Has WKYC joined the sad fraternity of stations such as WEWS with bad lip sync?

Seems like this past week has been really really bad. :(

WEWS is a tech nightmare. Tonight's Wheel and Jeopardy on HD were a disaster. It looks like they had that frame rate problem again, causing a jerky/choppy flickering effect. It almost looked like an old film. Then I switched to SD and it was bad too. There was a popping sound in the background and shaky picture. This only happened during the show, NOT the commercials. What, are they recording their syndicated shows on a Betamax machine with a used, 30 year old tape? :rolleyes:

In my master plan, I'm going to add an HDHomerun to double up on the OTA / HD channels that are available. Next week, I'm borrowing a friend's QAM tuner card to get an idea of what if any of the SD digitals are clear QAM. I'm not optimistic.

I have a pcHDTV HD5500 card in my Myth box - can get a decent chunk of the unencrypted QAM channels, but it took a lot of fiddling to figure out where all of the channels were. (Diagnostics screen on my SA8300 helped a lot.) I hear the newest MythTV version makes this a bit easier to figure out. I haven't messed with it since the channel layout changed, but I need to update the software anyway...

Right .. I think the STB via 1394 should output all 0x00 channels to the port. The benefit here is that the PVR doesn't need to encode the signals .. they are native MPEG streams that can just be copied to the HD/Raid directly.

There are other ways to get basically the same result. The HD5500 dumps the ATSC or QAM stream right onto the PCI bus, which shows up as (IIRC) /dev/dvb/something that can be written directly to disk after it's tuned in. I also have a Hauppauge WinPVR-150 card that dumps out an MPEG stream from an analog channel, and an Air2PC card that only handles OTA ATSC. I can record two HD channels and one analog at the same time, and the box barely flinches.

There may be good news coming soon on the HD end of things: Hauppage is supposedly preparing to market an HD-PVR capture card that captures HD streams off of component inputs. Still no DVI / HDMI .. but it's a step in the right direction. I'll be interested in seeing if it actually happens or not.

I can see a component capture card hitting the market, but it better be well-designed... Hardware combination/compression is almost a requirement - spitting out separate raw RGB streams would be asking for trouble. I don't expect a consumer-grade HDMI capture card any time soon - it would need to be HDCP-compliant to be of much use (most STB HDMI ports only work when HDCP is detected), and that introduces all kinds of issues for Linux users.

I'm going to be turning on the news at WKYC HD in a few minutes. I honestly haven't seen any problems with any HD channels other then FOX 8 but then again FOX 8 is usually the only one I watch live.

It seems awful weird that all of a sudden all these channels are having problems and are being reported by not just TW but also OTA people as well.

I don't expect a consumer-grade HDMI capture card any time soon - it would need to be HDCP-compliant to be of much use (most STB HDMI ports only work when HDCP is detected), and that introduces all kinds of issues for Linux users.

Makes me wonder if you could hook such a tuner up by using an hdmi splitter (may have to make your own?? .. or maybe Mouser has them) so that the STB senses the TV on one end of the splitter and then dumps the data out ...

The linux crowd will figure it out eventually .. but it's probably about 3+ years out.

Thanks for your reply .. sounds good to know that you were able to find the unencrypted QAM w/ a tuner card & no STB. That simplifies things a little for me.

WEWS is a tech nightmare. Tonight's Wheel and Jeopardy on HD were a disaster. It looks like they had that frame rate problem again, causing a jerky/choppy flickering effect. It almost looked like an old film. Then I switched to SD and it was bad too. There was a popping sound in the background and shaky picture. This only happened during the show, NOT the commercials. What, are they recording their syndicated shows on a Betamax machine with a used, 30 year old tape? :rolleyes:The SD feed of WEWS on E*'s LIL's were a disaster too. THe audio was fine, but the video kept dropping frames so the picture would freeze-up every few seconds (this was observed during 20/20). HD OTA feed was fine (I don't have the correct HD receiver (MPEG 4) to get the new HD LIL's however I do have the correct 61.5 dish).

Has WKYC joined the sad fraternity of stations such as WEWS with bad lip sync?

Seems like this past week has been really really bad. :(

This morning the news on WKYC HD was a lipsync mess. Still don't have WEWS in HD but I haven't re-scanned either. Every tme I re-scan I get so many channels I don't want, then I have to go through each one and delete it. (Shopping and music channels) My scan typically comes up with 75 digital and 75 analog channels. I sometimes get Comedy Central PPV (79-16?) with my QAM tuner. After a few seconds and sometimes minutes it shuts off and sends me to channel 2. I have 2 STO channels now. One is the old 106-1 in HD and is on all the time now the other is 109-7 with the blue screen showing the Cavs will be playing on 4/14.

This morning the news on WKYC HD was a lipsync mess. Still don't have WEWS in HD but I haven't re-scanned either. Every tme I re-scan I get so many channels I don't want, then I have to go through each one and delete it. (Shopping and music channels) My scan typically comes up with 75 digital and 75 analog channels. I sometimes get Comedy Central PPV (79-16?) with my QAM tuner. After a few seconds and sometimes minutes it shuts off and sends me to channel 2. I have 2 STO channels now. One is the old 106-1 in HD and is on all the time now the other is 109-7 with the blue screen showing the Cavs will be playing on 4/14.

OK I paid attention and actually watched and everything looked fine on WKYC HD via TWC. So either I'm getting to old to recognize that the lips arn't keeping up with the sound, OR, when I did watch I caught it at a good time.

Does anyone actually sit down and watch the local news? I never do I'm always doing something else. Now if I hear something that catches my interest I'll go and back it up and watch but other then that I've got better things to do, like posting on the AVS boards.:D

This morning the news on WKYC HD was a lipsync mess.

I noticed the same thing. WKYC HD's news had a HORRIBLE lipsync problem. I have TWC out of N. Canton.

Makes me wonder if you could hook such a tuner up by using an hdmi splitter (may have to make your own?? .. or maybe Mouser has them) so that the STB senses the TV on one end of the splitter and then dumps the data out ...

There is an HDMI capture card out there, but it does not do HDCP:
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/

You may also find this device of interest:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7238

Well i got an email today from Dishnetwork informing me that my local channels are now available in HD and to call and get them setup for free. So I called and they have to install a new dish because of the satellite position. So I will finally have my locals in HD on April 23rd.

Well i got an email today from Dishnetwork informing me that my local channels are now available in HD and to call and get them setup for free. So I called and they have to install a new dish because of the satellite position. So I will finally have my locals in HD on April 23rd.

When they say "locals" does that include CW and My43?

Not that My43 matters they don't have any HD as far as I know. I'm surprised that they haven't done something with that network, it can't be getting any kind of decent ratings.

For some reason it went to SD for a while. I see it's back in HD.

When they say "locals" does that include CW and My43?

Not that My43 matters they don't have any HD as far as I know. I'm surprised that they haven't done something with that network, it can't be getting any kind of decent ratings.

The email stated ABCHD, FoxHD NBCHD and CBSHD

The email stated ABCHD, FoxHD NBCHD and CBSHD

IMHO E* has taken way too long to do this and then they are short changing you. As I said My43 is no big deal but they should offer the CW in HD. In the Time Warner realignment, which seems to have gone to a snails pace they are now offering the CW in HD.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that TW is better, it's just that E* should give you all locals in HD. I believe D* is doing this now.

And speaking of the realignment, here we are in mid April just about and I can't help but notice that the old Adelphia areas still haven't been changed in the "Cleveland Suburbs" area. And I'm not seeing anyone reporting that realingment is happening anywhere.

Inundated, have they got to your area yet?

Ah, this is poppycock. I was all excited tonight to finally see the Tribe in HD on STO, only to learn that STO and STO-HD weren't being carried on my D* "Choice" HD package. What a bummer - Does anyone have the "Choice" package are able to pick up STO? I think I might have to upgrade to the 'Xtra' package to catch the Tribe this season...

The linux crowd will figure it out eventually .. but it's probably about 3+ years out.

Unfortunately, it's not software or hardware design that will keep this (a Linux-friendly HDCP-compliant HDMI capture care) from showing up on the market - those parts are easy - it's the legal issues involved. If a company announced such a card, the MPAA would jump up and down, threatening to hold their breath until they turn blue, screaming that the card is in violation of the DMCA. Even reverse-engineering the ATI TV Wonder device to develop a Linux driver could land you in a court room. Until this stupid law is reversed, I don't have much hope...

Yes Hook,

We are also waiting out here in N. Ridgeville (Former Comcast) for the channel realignment. Also, Directv has added WBNX-HD (The CW-55) to their lineup, with 2 PBS-HD's soon to follow.

Ben Music

OTA W/Roter
TWC W/MOTO 2 tuner HD Box (still working great)
Tivo S3 with lots of problems
Directv HR-20 (2 HD tuner MEPG-4)
Directv HR- 10-250 (2 HD tuner MEPG-2)

Ah, this is poppycock. I was all excited tonight to finally see the Tribe in HD on STO, only to learn that STO and STO-HD weren't being carried on my D* "Choice" HD package. What a bummer - Does anyone have the "Choice" package are able to pick up STO? I think I might have to upgrade to the 'Xtra' package to catch the Tribe this season...

When D* made it's deal with STO there were several areas that they would not carry it in. I don't remember if Rupert Murdock was in charge then but he probably was. Call D* and complain maybe the new owners will rethink this.

This is out-of-date. All Directv subscribers in the northern Ohio area can get STO. Unfortunately, you have to have one of the upper packages to get it:

With the Choice Xtra package you also get:


Sports Time Ohio (Ch. 657)
# Indians (HD Available)


When D* made it's deal with STO there were several areas that they would not carry it in. I don't remember if Rupert Murdock was in charge then but he probably was. Call D* and complain maybe the new owners will rethink this.

... and he has to pay an additional $9.99 month for "HD Access" to get the 657-1 STO HD.

I'm back and forth between the Tribe and the Cubs/Phillies game on TBS HD. Quality of the picture on TBS HD is blowing away the pq on WKYC HD. However the Dolby 5.1 sound is strange on TBS HD. It sounds like they got everything going through all 5 speakers so it doesn't sound like true Dolby 5.1.

WKYC HD, as usual needs the back speakers boosted up.

Edit: I could just delete this post but I know some of you read it by email. Here's what happened. Hookbill, the idiot, saw on his channel guide that the tribe was on channel 3 which on my guide is just a few bars down from TBSHD. So I went there. And the picture was horrible. As it should be since I was looking at the analog converted to digital picture of WKYC, channel 3.

Upon discovering my error I then noticed that the sound was better and pq looked pretty much the same. Now I will find a rock and go crawl under it.:o

I'm back and forth between the Tribe and the Cubs/Phillies game on TBS HD. Quality of the picture on TBS HD is blowing away the pq on WKYC HD. However the Dolby 5.1 sound is strange on TBS HD. It sounds like they got everything going through all 5 speakers so it doesn't sound like true Dolby 5.1.

WKYC HD, as usual needs the back speakers boosted up.

I have to say I disagree on the PQ. (watching via D* HR20 on a 50" 1080p plasma) As far as detail, I give a slight nod to STO. The TBS looks worse to me because the reds are not correct - too bright or something. That and there's a really annoying low bass rumble from a microphone on the TBS feed.

Last night's STO game looked quite a bit softer than this game on WKYC right now.

On my 20" Vizio (using the built in stereo speakers) I can barely hear any commentary on the TBS game - as if the center channel were shut off in a 5.1 system. Edit: now the commentary is back.

I have to say I disagree on the PQ. (watching via D* HR20 on a 50" 1080p plasma) As far as detail, I give a slight nod to STO. The TBS looks worse to me because the reds are not correct - too bright or something. That and there's a really annoying low bass rumble from a microphone on the TBS feed.

Last night's STO game looked quite a bit softer than this game on WKYC right now.

On my 20" Vizio (using the built in stereo speakers) I can barely hear any commentary on the TBS game - as if the center channel were shut off in a 5.1 system. Edit: now the commentary is back.

Take a look at my edited post.:o

Now I'm getting sound drop offs and freeze up on TBS via TW. Going to stay with the Tribe game.

This is out-of-date. All Directv subscribers in the northern Ohio area can get STO. Unfortunately, you have to have one of the upper packages to get it:

With the Choice Xtra package you also get:


Sports Time Ohio (Ch. 657)
# Indians (HD Available)

... and he has to pay an additional $9.99 month for "HD Access" to get the 657-1 STO HD.

Yea, I've got the Choice package with HD access. The CSR told me I had to buy the MLB extra innings package, but I just checked the D* site and I would have to upgrade to Choice XTRA to catch the Tribe games on STO....what a juke....

I don't like golf but the Masters on CBS in HD outstanding!..

Edit: TIme Warner Univ Hts. QAM Tuner Channel 19-1

Noticed over the weekend that Armstrong in Medina added FX-HD on channel 133. I continue to be impressed with their HD lineup and willingness to expand. Can't beat watching Batman Begins in HD! Anyone have any inside scoop into what Armstrong is working on adding next? I was hoping for some VS. HD to catch the Stanley Cup Playoffs but I think that's a long shot.

I had received an email way-back-when from them first announcing their plans to expand over time. I remember seeing HGTV-HD and Food-HD for sure. It seems like thier timeline is to release one a month or so always on a Friday night.

They've also added a couple of SD channels, too, and they've been kind of glossed over in my mind. They've now got CHILL and ID and a couple of others.

I'm still hoping for Big-10 HD, though. Of courses Versus HD would be good, too.

I noticed freeze ups again this morning. I sent an email off to them along with a link to our forum asking for the engineer to explain (yeah, that will happen):rolleyes:. I told them that everyone seems to be experiencing these problems (OTA, SAT, TW). I said that I'm sure they were aware of the problem. I did that last week, let's see if I get a response.

I don't like golf but the Masters on CBS in HD outstanding!..

Edit: TIme Warner Univ Hts. QAM Tuner Channel 19-1

Agreed. Kudos to CBS and D* Master's Mix Channel. The PQ was indeed pristine. It was also a nice change of pace to not have a distracting station logo in the corner. This was probably a request by Augusta National. Augusta has always wanted The Masters to be as free from advertisers, network affiliation and commercials as possible.

I live in Louisville, Oh (near Canton) and I turned on the TV this am... and BOOM... NAVIGATOR!!! What a way to start Monday morning. This is on my SA8300 non-HD box. I didn't check my SA8300HD to see if it switched over. Hopefully it didn't because I don't think I could live with 2 pieces of bad news on this Monday!! :D

I am tempted to put a list together of the Pros (if any) and Cons of navigator when I'm bored just for fun. I wasn't impressed at all with my 1st encounter with navigator on a SA8300HDC. Maybe they fixed some of the issues... but I'm betting they haven't.
mgd

I live in Louisville, Oh (near Canton) and I turned on the TV this am... and BOOM... NAVIGATOR!!! What a way to start Monday morning. This is on my SA8300 non-HD box. I didn't check my SA8300HD to see if it switched over. Hopefully it didn't because I don't think I could live with 2 pieces of bad news on this Monday!! :D

I am tempted to put a list together of the Pros (if any) and Cons of navigator when I'm bored just for fun. I wasn't impressed at all with my 1st encounter with navigator on a SA8300HDC. Maybe they fixed some of the issues... but I'm betting they haven't.
mgd

The SA8300HD didn't "get it" yet!! I've also heard from a SA8300 owner in Akron that Navigator came. They must be doing them by box model separately(the HD boxes must need extra/different data files downloaded). I get the feeling Passport will be leaving me tonight. I've already said goodbye. Time to get used to a DVR that is a POS.

EDIT: I did hear that all recordings did carry over to the new OS. I'm really surprised, considering that has been one of the things they've discussed since the realignmnet was announced.

I live in Louisville, Oh (near Canton) and I turned on the TV this am... and BOOM... NAVIGATOR!!! What a way to start Monday morning. This is on my SA8300 non-HD box. I didn't check my SA8300HD to see if it switched over. Hopefully it didn't because I don't think I could live with 2 pieces of bad news on this Monday!! :D

I am tempted to put a list together of the Pros (if any) and Cons of navigator when I'm bored just for fun. I wasn't impressed at all with my 1st encounter with navigator on a SA8300HDC. Maybe they fixed some of the issues... but I'm betting they haven't.
mgd

I saw a TW commercial on Navigator and they made it look wonderful. Do you mean they are not telling the truth?:eek:

I saw a TW commercial on Navigator and they made it look wonderful. Do you mean they are not telling the truth?:eek:

TWC would NEVER lie to us would they?? :p:D I also received literature in the mail saying this is the "easiest" and most "innovative" thing for the customer!! If by "easiest" they meant POS then they are right on!!

I just found out today that I may have options if Navigator on my HD box is as bad of a nightmare as the 1st time around. My issue was if I switched to Direct TV or any other satelite provider, I would have to buy a bunch of extra boxes to support all 6 of my TV's (only 1 high def). I guess they now make dual and tri band boxes so one box could support 3 different tvs. I may have to check that out if its true!

TWC on QAM tuner - 5-1 ABC HD is back on the air.

Didn't notice any lipsync issues for once...

I also so Armstrong added FX HD this weekend. I'm hoping they continue this roll out too. I'd really like to see Weather Channel HD, Fox Business (Which is almost a given since FX has made it on) and Food. I wish they'd add Mojo too. I always liked their concerts, though MHD does a pretty good job of making up for that.

I also so Armstrong added FX HD this weekend. I'm hoping they continue this roll out too. I'd really like to see Weather Channel HD, Fox Business (Which is almost a given since FX has made it on) and Food. I wish they'd add Mojo too. I always liked their concerts, though MHD does a pretty good job of making up for that.

Man, I'm really jealous. If I could have one pick it would be FX! Damn you TW!

FOX Business? I would SERIOUSLY cancel Time Warner if they added that waste of bandwidth instead of a more worthy channel like USA HD. It already pains me enough that some of my money is going to the FOX Noise crooks. :mad::mad:

Navigator hit my SA8300 some time in the last 48 hours... I did notice a few changes in the software from when I had my 8300HDC in the five minutes I played with it tonight, but don't expect miracles.

Did tell my wife that she needs to make sure all of her stuff is scheduled on the TiVo as well, just in case the Navigator problems rear up again. (I would have been nice and done it for her, but I just can't bring myself to scheduling season passes for things like Keeping up with the Kardashians (?) or any of the other dumb shows she watches... Bad enough they're going to be on *my* TiVo... :) )

FOX Business? I would SERIOUSLY cancel Time Warner if they added that waste of bandwidth instead of a more worthy channel like USA HD. It already pains me enough that some of my money is going to the FOX Noise crooks. :mad::mad:

nickdawg, calm down. We said FX not Fox Business. Unless you're talking about another thread and I looked back and I didn't see that. FX has great shows, much better IMHO then USA and I do like some USA shows. FX has The Shield, Dirt, The Riches, Nip/Tuck.

So if you're talking about something else I didn't see it.:)

Dude, you crack me up.....sometimes.:D (oh I used an old expression. Crack me up = makes me laugh - has nothing to do with the drug).

Sorry, Hook. You're incorrect. The original poster WAS asking for Fox Business Network.

Actually, while I don't watch Fox News (or CNN that much), I do think that Fox Business Network is very watchable at times. I think the business graphics are useful and the on-air talent tends to be, how can we say this, "easy on the eyes."

Also, Dave Ramsey is one of the few personal finance guys that I trust and he's on in the evenings.

I agree would love to see Fox Business HD. Everyone has different opinions as I would never watch USA :)

Sure hope TW gets NFL Network HD by the time the Browns game airs here this year. Probably doubtful though.


Sorry, Hook. You're incorrect. The original poster WAS asking for Fox Business Network.

Actually, while I don't watch Fox News (or CNN that much), I do think that Fox Business Network is very watchable at times. I think the business graphics are useful and the on-air talent tends to be, how can we say this, "easy on the eyes."

Also, Dave Ramsey is one of the few personal finance guys that I trust and he's on in the evenings.

I agree would love to see Fox Business HD. Everyone has different opinions as I would never watch USA :)

Sure hope TW gets NFL Network HD by the time the Browns game airs here this year. Probably doubtful though.

We will be able to watch the Browns game on NFLN regardless of whether TW has NFLN or not. NFL mandates that the games be on free TV in the local markets of the two teams. So one of the local channels will pick up the game.

We will be able to watch the Browns game on NFLN regardless of whether TW has NFLN or not. NFL mandates that the games be on free TV in the local markets of the two teams. So one of the local channels will pick up the game.

And one of the local affiliates will also pick up the three (!) ESPN Monday Night Football games, and the Sunday Night NBC game will be on Channel 3, of course.

I presume that the four cable/satellite games will air on whatever local affiliate carries them, locally in HD.

Sorry, Hook. You're incorrect. The original poster WAS asking for Fox Business Network.

Actually, while I don't watch Fox News (or CNN that much), I do think that Fox Business Network is very watchable at times. I think the business graphics are useful and the on-air talent tends to be, how can we say this, "easy on the eyes."

Also, Dave Ramsey is one of the few personal finance guys that I trust and he's on in the evenings.

Oh, I see. I got so excited about the FX I didn't even see the Fox Bus HD.

Apologies nickdawg.

FOX Business? I would SERIOUSLY cancel Time Warner if they added that waste of bandwidth instead of a more worthy channel like USA HD. It already pains me enough that some of my money is going to the FOX Noise crooks. :mad::mad:

Well... When you're in Medina, and will soon have fiber to the curb and SDV within 6 months, they can use all the bandwidth they want. Sorry to rub it in guys.

Noticed over the weekend that Armstrong in Medina added FX-HD on channel 133. I continue to be impressed with their HD lineup and willingness to expand. Can't beat watching Batman Begins in HD! Anyone have any inside scoop into what Armstrong is working on adding next? I was hoping for some VS. HD to catch the Stanley Cup Playoffs but I think that's a long shot.

Looks like your wish came true! VS HD got added last night ch 172. Way to go Armstrong!!

Well... When you're in Medina, and will soon have fiber to the curb and SDV within 6 months, they can use all the bandwidth they want. Sorry to rub it in guys.



ROFLOL. I don't know who told you that but I'm sure it will take longer then that. TW has huge areas all on the same system that still isn't SDV. What makes you think Medina is special?

ROFLOL. I don't know who told you that but I'm sure it will take longer then that. TW has huge areas all on the same system that still isn't SDV. What makes you think Medina is special?

I have a pretty good source. It's a guy who works with Armstrong on their phone backend network.

Main fiber runs have been there for 5 years. Just have to pull the arterial runs to premises. Supposedly they're going to do that on a per-account basis.

ROFLOL. I don't know who told you that but I'm sure it will take longer then that. TW has huge areas all on the same system that still isn't SDV. What makes you think Medina is special?

These smaller cable systems may actually end up being better than larger systems like Time Warner. The legacy Time Warner area in NE Ohio is already big enough. Now, Time Warner has several other areas added to that and they still haven't even changed the lineups in those areas. Once that's done, they can begin the SDV transition.

A system like Armstrong in Medina is smaller, making it cheaper and easier to install SDV(CHEAP being the key word there).

I get the feeling SDV is not too far down the road. While playing around with the Navigator diagnostics screens, I noticed several items about SDV. It said SDV was not enabled, but Navigator is the firmware that supports SDV. Once these lineup changes are done and the rest of the boxes are "Navigatored":(, SDV might not be far off.:D

I have a pretty good source. It's a guy who works with Armstrong on their phone backend network.

Main fiber runs have been there for 5 years. Just have to pull the arterial runs to premises. Supposedly they're going to do that on a per-account basis.

Oh, Armstrong. OK, highly possible they are on the move. Sorry, I thought you were talking about TW.

Oh, Armstrong. OK, highly possible they are on the move. Sorry, I thought you were talking about TW.

Haha no... What do u think I'm crazy? They can't even get a business class cable modem configured correctly at one of my client sites. I have no confidence in them as a company, on any front.

Haha no... What do u think I'm crazy? They can't even get a business class cable modem configured correctly at one of my client sites. I have no confidence in them as a company, on any front.

Well, then you certainly understood why I made my comment.:)

Armstrong looks like they are on the move. Funny I never heard about them until recently. Enjoy!

I got the update last night. I think. Usually the channels go to the same when the reboot occurres.

Or maybe I got it last week, because I thought that the channels were both the same last week sometime. But I looked at the software version and I thought it was the old one. Maybe I've had 9.3 for at least a week!

If that's true I haven't even noticed anything different.:eek:

Oh well, I'll try and play around this weekend.

Looks like your wish came true! VS HD got added last night ch 172. Way to go Armstrong!!

Yeah, I saw that when I got home last night! VS HD and I also swapped my failing Moto for the Pace Tahoe. Life is good in Medina with Armstrong. Maybe I just need to keep wishing for channels on this forum. Let's see... how about HGTV HD for the wife. :)

Yeah, I saw that when I got home last night! VS HD and I also swapped my failing Moto for the Pace Tahoe. Life is good in Medina with Armstrong. Maybe I just need to keep wishing for channels on this forum. Let's see... how about HGTV HD for the wife. :)

How ironic... HGTV HD is one of the FEW high def stations that TWC has graced us with. Well, that is if you have been realigned. You are right though--Armstrong's channel lineup is impressive. TWC not so much.

No, no new digital llneup here yet...and no Navigator, either. (TWC/ex-Adelphia Cleveland system, in case anyone forgot :D)

But my TiVo removed the AZNTV channel from the lineup today. I seem to recall that was one of the channels actually going away with the realignment, no? :)

But my TiVo removed the AZNTV channel from the lineup today. I seem to recall that was one of the channels actually going away with the realignment, no? :)

I got that message this morning on both of my TiVo's.

I'm wondering when TWC will roll out Navigator in this region for the 8300HD. Has anyone heard anything? Looking at other threads, it seems Navigator might be improving, at least for the 8300HD. Some users even like it. I hope that's the good news.

I'm wondering when TWC will roll out Navigator in this region for the 8300HD. Has anyone heard anything? Looking at other threads, it seems Navigator might be improving, at least for the 8300HD. Some users even like it. I hope that's the good news.

You must be new to this thread. The reviews on Navigator has not been good. Most SA 8300 prefer even the SARA version which IMHO was terrible.

I've heard some good things about Passport, but they are changing that as well.

My opinion is stated in my signature.:)

You must be new to this thread. The reviews on Navigator has not been good. Most SA 8300 prefer even the SARA version which IMHO was terrible.

No, I've read them all, but it seems that in some of the later posts users are much less negative, and in some cases positive, with the 8300HD. Now the 8300HDC, that's another thing :)

CNN HD, Sci-Fi HD and USA HD added to Dish Network's HD count.

Another week, another no conversion for TW in the Amherst area. They have to be the worst - if I was not so lazy I would have already switched to satellite by now.

New York 1 News has been added to digital cable on channel 384. (at least in areas with the new lineup).

Just so everyone knows, STO broadcaster Matt Underwood acknowledged the issue with tonight's Indians broadcast that is not in HD. He said during the game (in between pitches) that STO realizes that tonights and every upcoming game on STO is supposed to be in HD and the engineers are working on resolving this issue ASAP.

Kudos to STO for at least keeping the viewers informed and acknowledging the problem.

Just so everyone knows, STO broadcaster Matt Underwood acknowledged the issue with tonight's Indians broadcast that is not in HD. He said during the game (in between pitches) that STO realizes that tonights and every upcoming game on STO is supposed to be in HD and the engineers are working on resolving this issue ASAP.

Kudos to STO for at least keeping the viewers informed and acknowledging the problem.

Yeah, it's gotta be interesting going into a new road city every few days and having to do an HD setup for the first time. Somethin' tells me the "facilities" in the old Hubert Humphrey dome are not state of the art :D

Putting my ear to the rail, I hear a distant train that should arrive in Cleveland in the Tuesday-Wednesday morning timeframe. ;)

Putting my ear to the rail, I hear a distant train that should arrive in Cleveland in the Tuesday-Wednesday morning timeframe. ;)

OK, I probably will believe that because for some reason TW/Adelphia always liked Tuesdays to do things. I don't know if anyone else ever noticed that.

But please get your head off the rail. You might get ran over with bad info.:D

Whose your source?

OK, I probably will believe that because for some reason TW/Adelphia always liked Tuesdays to do things. I don't know if anyone else ever noticed that.

But please get your head off the rail. You might get ran over with bad info.:D

Whose your source?

A very, very good one. Can't say any more. :)

A very, very good one. Can't say any more. :)

Now you don't have to say who it is. Just where do they work. Headend? A tech friend? You talked to a CSR?

The reason I ask is because I have a source and I've mentioned many times in headend. Now I haven't asked about this because I bug her too much about other stuff.

Of course if it's a CSR you get a big zero.:) But if it's someone else, come on, give a clue.

Oh and techs get a big zeor as well.

If you still want to stand on the Fifth that is your right.

Now you don't have to say who it is. Just where do they work. Headend? A tech friend? You talked to a CSR?

The reason I ask is because I have a source and I've mentioned many times in headend. Now I haven't asked about this because I bug her too much about other stuff.

Of course if it's a CSR you get a big zero.:) But if it's someone else, come on, give a clue.

Oh and techs get a big zeor as well.

If you still want to stand on the Fifth that is your right.

It's somebody who knows the nuts & bolts behind the move. Good enough? ;) Now 'scuse me while I step off the tracks. I think I hear the horn...

Yeah, it's gotta be interesting going into a new road city every few days and having to do an HD setup for the first time. Somethin' tells me the "facilities" in the old Hubert Humphrey dome are not state of the art :D
STO had problems in Anaheim too. I wouldn't blame the facilities (that is the stadiums). Every time something goes wrong, Matt mentions the "guys in the truck". So it's the mobile "master control" that may be at fault. I doubt they use the same truck everywhere, the "truck" more than likely is a regional video production company hired out for each series.

If it was the cameras and/or wiring inside the stadiums than both teams feeds should get equally hosed when one of these glitches comes along. Thee is no way to prove this unless you somehow have access to the other team's RSN (if this was hockey that would actually be possible as NHL CI gives you both teams RSN if available).

I'm getting all kinds of break ups via TW.

STO had problems in Anaheim too. I wouldn't blame the facilities (that is the stadiums). Every time something goes wrong, Matt mentions the "guys in the truck". So it's the mobile "master control" that may be at fault. I doubt they use the same truck everywhere, the "truck" more than likely is a regional video production company hired out for each series.

The "guys in the truck" are the most visible aspect of the broadcast team (next to the camera operators) and when stuff like this happens, it's a real pressure cooker for them, especially when the event is live. A problem like this could happen anywhere in the signal chain, from the truck to the backhaul fiber provider (or satellite uplink/downlink) to the station or network's master control.
When he makes reference to the guys in the truck, it puts a human face onto a long chain of transmission points, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's their fault. I feel bad for those guys when they get blamed for stuff when they're usually working their butts off to bring us the game.

Am I the only one experiencing these freezes during the tribe game? I hear sound drop offs as I'm typing this.

OTA, Sat people are you seeing problems?

Hook-

I only had it on for probably an inning and a half, and I was doing other things in the same room than just watching the game. But I never saw any kind of freezing through Armstrong in Medina.

Hook -
I had it on the D* SD channel 8, mostly with volume turned down doing other stuff, but when I did pay attention I did not see any freezing or hear any audio problems.

Putting my ear to the rail, I hear a distant train that should arrive in Cleveland in the Tuesday-Wednesday morning timeframe. ;)

Well, that'd sure fit with a recent statement supposedly made by Mr. Jasso...

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2008/04/twc-digital-realignment-update.html


TWC's Bill Jasso tells OMW that the cable operator expects to complete the digital channel moves in the Greater Cleveland area by the end of this month.

Am I the only one experiencing these freezes during the tribe game? I hear sound drop offs as I'm typing this.

OTA, Sat people are you seeing problems?

I watched on D* channel 8-1 (Fox HD) from the 6th inning on and didn't notice any issues besides the announcers who were awful.

I watched on D* channel 8-1 (Fox HD) from the 6th inning on and didn't notice any issues besides the announcers who were awful.

OK, I saw the issues during the pregame, at the start of the game and during the bottom of the 9th. I also heard some problems when they switched to the alternate game.

It's kind of sad that everyone is so busy (me too) that we can't even sit down to watch a ball game on a Saturday!

Is anyone else still getting lipsync problems on WKYC? I thought it got better this last week but now I think they have regressed...

I watched on D* channel 8-1 (Fox HD) from the 6th inning on and didn't notice any issues besides the announcers who were awful.

I beleive one of them was Josh Lewin, who I can't stand. He likes to bring up controversial topics in what should be an otherwise relaxing baseball game. He's also got that annoying "Kent Brockman" over the top style of delivery.

Is anyone else still getting lipsync problems on WKYC? I thought it got better this last week but now I think they have regressed...

This is really getting strange. I have not had any problems with the lipsync on WKYC but I'm the only one who had a problem with the Fox game yesterday.

It's kind of sad that everyone is so busy (me too) that we can't even sit down to watch a ball game on a Saturday!

I was just thinking kind of the opposite. I was surprised at the number of people here who at least watched some of it. How many 75+ degree Saturdays have we had this year so far? Especially when we knew rain was on the way. And the Tribe was losing so early. And it was in Minnesota...

Ok, I know this isn't the best forum for this, but you guys are always very helpful. This is a simple question, I think, but I'm looking for a quick pointer.

I have a coax cable running from an antenna in the attic over my garage and through the rafters of my basement. The basement was recently finished off, so the cable now runs through an enclosed ceiling. Sadly, I don't know what the contractors did with the open end of the cable, as I had unhooked it after I got cable. Anyway, there is an exposed run in the unfinished space, and I would like to be able to splice into it and run it both to the OTA input of my new plasma and the FM in of a receiver.

Does anyone have any ponters as to the best way to cut this cable and splice into it? How hard is it to crimp new ends onto it? Any particular crimpers that work well?

(How's that for getting back on topic? :p)

Thanks.

Is anyone else still getting lipsync problems on WKYC? I thought it got better this last week but now I think they have regressed...

Watching the Weather guy with the dogs on the WKYC morning show right now and if there's a lip sync problem, I'm not really seeing it.

Watching via D* MPEG4 locals.

Edit: Ok, now I'm seeing a lip sync problem on the Tim Beres Between the Lines segment (which is SD widescreen)

Checked OTA and also lip sync problem there too.

Edit: Now that the Tom Beres SD segment is over, they went to commercial, and they are back in HD at the anchor desk, the lip sync problem seems to have gone away.

Hello. Have any of you in the old Adelphia system started losing channels? I live in Mayfield Heights and I no longer get Starz HD, ESPN HD, Discovery Home, etc... I've also noticed some of my other non-hd channels have become very poor with picture quality. TLC has noise intermittently and channel 15 is really bad with noise. I called TWC and they thought it was the beginning of the channel lineup re-arrangement... until i mentioned the poor quality. Now they want to send a tech over to look at the signal. On top of this my in-laws live 1 block away and they are getting channels that we do not get any longer.

Thanks in advance.

I'm watching right now OTA (Directv receiver) and I'm getting the lipsync issue during the pregame. It's not terrible, but it's still noticeable.

Hello. Have any of you in the old Adelphia system started losing channels? I live in Mayfield Heights and I no longer get Starz HD, ESPN HD, Discovery Home, etc... I've also noticed some of my other non-hd channels have become very poor with picture quality. TLC has noise intermittently and channel 15 is really bad with noise. I called TWC and they thought it was the beginning of the channel lineup re-arrangement... until i mentioned the poor quality. Now they want to send a tech over to look at the signal. On top of this my in-laws live 1 block away and they are getting channels that we do not get any longer.

Thanks in advance.

I've just had a problem with FOX 8. But as was mentioned earlier, word is the change is going to happen either Tuesday or Wednesday.

Hello. Have any of you in the old Adelphia system started losing channels? I live in Mayfield Heights and I no longer get Starz HD, ESPN HD, Discovery Home, etc... I've also noticed some of my other non-hd channels have become very poor with picture quality. TLC has noise intermittently and channel 15 is really bad with noise. I called TWC and they thought it was the beginning of the channel lineup re-arrangement... until i mentioned the poor quality. Now they want to send a tech over to look at the signal. On top of this my in-laws live 1 block away and they are getting channels that we do not get any longer.

Thanks in advance.

You need a service call for poor signal. If you're missing channels now, you'll still be missing them after the realignment.

I have a coax cable running from an antenna in the attic over my garage and through the rafters of my basement. The basement was recently finished off, so the cable now runs through an enclosed ceiling. Sadly, I don't know what the contractors did with the open end of the cable, as I had unhooked it after I got cable. Anyway, there is an exposed run in the unfinished space, and I would like to be able to splice into it and run it both to the OTA input of my new plasma and the FM in of a receiver.

Does anyone have any ponters as to the best way to cut this cable and splice into it? How hard is it to crimp new ends onto it? Any particular crimpers that work well?

It's not hard with the right tools and connectors made for those tools. First you'll need to determine the type of cable (RG-6, RG-59) - the connectors are different for each one. Home Depot, Lowe's and similar places sell the current version of co-ax strippers and crimpers. Look for the kind that use the new compression connector. The compression connectors look different from the old-style crimp connectors - they have a colored plastic band on the connector which denotes the type. The crimper squeezes the connector from end to end, "squashing" it, rather than crimping it around the middle. This makes for a much better connection than the old style crimp-ons.

Anybody know if TBSHD is going to show next Sunday's (4/27) Indians game alongside WKYC's coverage of the same game? or will it be blacked out on TBS in this market? My D* guide has a blank spot for the 1:00 - 4:00pm time slot on TBSHD next Sunday.

Would be a nice opportunity for side by side HD PQ comparison...

TBS games are blacked out for home markets.

See the press release below:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080227&content_id=2391731&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Anybody know if TBSHD is going to show next Sunday's (4/27) Indians game alongside WKYC's coverage of the same game? or will it be blacked out on TBS in this market? My D* guide has a blank spot for the 1:00 - 4:00pm time slot on TBSHD next Sunday.

Would be a nice opportunity for side by side HD PQ comparison...

I'm not certain but my bet is it will be blacked out. Then again I do remember seeing Dodger games in L.A. televised while also appearing on TBS.

How are you going to do a "side by side" comparison. Are you going to put two HD TV's next to each other?:confused:

TBS games are blacked out for home markets.

See the press release below:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080227&content_id=2391731&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Well, once again beaten to the punch by jtscherne.:)

Cathode-

Thanks for the tips. I'll check out Home Depot next time I'm in there.

How are you going to do a "side by side" comparison. Are you going to put two HD TV's next to each other?:confused:

DVR them both at the same time on the same D* HR20.

I see Monday night 4/28 Yankees game is on STO and ESPN at the same time -- will ESPN be blacked out here in Cleveland ?

I'm not sure of the current ESPN blackout rules. Last Monday's Bos/Cle game was not blacked out on ESPN and it was a home game for Cleveland. I attempted to add a recording for it and it was added, but I don't think this really proves anything.

DVR them both at the same time on the same D* HR20.

I see Monday night 4/28 Yankees game is on STO and ESPN at the same time -- will ESPN be blacked out here in Cleveland ?

I think the general rule is if it's being shown on a local station that it won't be shown on national television. The lifting of the black out rule on ESPN had to do with home teams being televised while they were in town. Again going back to me L.A. days it use to be that while the Dodgers were in town ESPN would not show their games. But back in those days we had very few home games televised. The Dodgers were very stingy about that and it didn't change until the 90's.

It's not hard with the right tools and connectors made for those tools. First you'll need to determine the type of cable (RG-6, RG-59) - the connectors are different for each one. Home Depot, Lowe's and similar places sell the current version of co-ax strippers and crimpers. Look for the kind that use the new compression connector. The compression connectors look different from the old-style crimp connectors - they have a colored plastic band on the connector which denotes the type. The crimper squeezes the connector from end to end, "squashing" it, rather than crimping it around the middle. This makes for a much better connection than the old style crimp-ons.

You may not want to shell out the bucks for the stripping and crimping tool if you don't plan to do much more coax work. It is possible to carefully strip the cable with a sharp knife. Cut through only the outer sleeve and wire mesh, then just barely through the inner insulation to expose the middle wire about 3/8". Be very careful not to nick or cut the middle wire as that can effect your signal. Make sure there is no frayed wire mesh to fold outside or inside of the connector. The compression connector can be applied by carefully positioning two sets of vise grips on the top and bottom edges of the fitting 180 deg opposite one another and slowly and evenly squeezing to fully compress the fitting. You can then add a splitter to route to both your TV and radio. Hope this helps.

Cathode-

Thanks for the tips. I'll check out Home Depot next time I'm in there.

I have these tools and connectors and I live very close to you (Strongsville). If you would like to just borrow mine and save the expense of buying these tools and connectors just let me know. I also have a lot of new RG59 cable (Beldon QuadShield) if you need it.

They are very handy when needed, but for the typical homeowner they are *rarely* used.

Just let me know. :)

I was just thinking kind of the opposite. I was surprised at the number of people here who at least watched some of it. How many 75+ degree Saturdays have we had this year so far? Especially when we knew rain was on the way. And the Tribe was losing so early. And it was in Minnesota...

:p)

Thanks.

Yup. Wasn't Saturday nice! I love spring! I am an early riser, so I got to enjoy the nice weather while I labored outside all morning/afternoon. In the time I was outside, I washed the cars, watered the lawn, edged all the beds, turned up the mulch in the beds and cleaned out the gutters. By the time I got in, the Cav's playoff game was over, but I did get to catch the end of the 3-0 Tribe loss.

BTW, the game looked decent on FOX. ;)

Just let me know. :)

Toby-

I PM'd you. Thanks for the offer!!

Toby-

I PM'd you. Thanks for the offer!!

Not a problem. There are few things I can help with, this is one of those few. :D