I've just had a problem with FOX 8. But as was mentioned earlier, word is the change is going to happen either Tuesday or Wednesday.

I can see the headlight now. Looking through my binoculars, I think I can make out some jumbled numbers on the boxcars, as well as one with lettering of some sort... let's see... looks like... n...a...v...

I can see the headlight now. Looking through my binoculars, I think I can make out some jumbled numbers on the boxcars, as well as one with lettering of some sort... let's see... looks like... n...a...v...

lol, maybe for some people but not me.;)

My main concern is how fast they implement SDV. From what I see in the TiVo Forums (whoops, I mean what somebody told me) it seems to be moving at a steady pace but not that fast.

I can see the headlight now. Looking through my binoculars, I think I can make out some jumbled numbers on the boxcars, as well as one with lettering of some sort... let's see... looks like... n...a...v...

My 8300HD made it through another night without the awful navigator gremlins attacking it. :D

My 8300HD made it through another night without the awful navigator gremlins attacking it. :D

As long as you never feed it after midnight, then you should be ok... :D

My 8300HD made it through another night without the awful navigator gremlins attacking it. :D

Nickdawg, I'm not sure which system you're fed from but it's the "A" train that arrives tonight.

I've just had a problem with FOX 8.

This comes up here alot. It's not Time Warner's fault for once. FOX News is garbage in more ways than one(content as well as technical). Flipping through the channels I've seen FOX force their local news into SD. Something's seriously up if they have to force SD on their own damn show. I stick with 19 Action News, not as many technical problems.

Nickdawg, I'm not sure which system you're fed from but it's the "A" train that arrives tonight.

I'm on the Akron system. I am expecting it tonight because it is Tuesday(they usually do work on Tuesday).

As long as you never feed it after midnight, then you should be ok... :D

That movie never did mention what time of the day it was ok to feed them again. :rolleyes:

This morning both of my HDTV's had frozen pictures! One was stuck on Mash and the other something else and FOX 8 has been freezing up all morning.

I went to my music channel (413) and there was a gray screen there so I thought, it must of happened (the lineup realign). But a few seconds later I found that wasn't the case.

Nickdawg, I'm not sure which system you're fed from but it's the "A" train that arrives tonight.

Well, if the train arrived it didn't show up here. Strike one.

You said Tuesday or Wednesday. So you're still at the plate.

I'd keep an eye open for the old TW curve ball.:D

Well in Brecksville today at lunch and the bar there had STO relocated to channel 76 on analog .. and as of last night it was still on 17 .. so maybe the train did roll through these parts last night / this morning.

I'm done with Time Warner. After it took 4 times to get my cable card installed on my TiVoHD (4 different days from 4 different cable guys over 2-3 weeks time), they now are trying to bill me 25% more than the amount that I negotiated with them when I threatened to go to DirecTV.

I encourage anyone that lives in North Ridgeville to write to the mayor’s office and/or city council requesting that we get a cable competitor in here. My fiancé already read somewhere in the local paper that many residents are complaining about Time Warner to the city of North Ridgeville. I just filled a complaint with the Better Business Bureau too.

I really feel sorry for TiVo since TiVo has to count on these local cable companies to get subscriptions.

I encourage anyone that lives in North Ridgeville to write to the mayor’s office and/or city council requesting that we get a cable competitor in here. My fiancé already read somewhere in the local paper that many residents are complaining about Time Warner to the city of North Ridgeville. I just filled a complaint with the Better Business Bureau too.

I really feel sorry for TiVo since TiVo has to count on these local cable companies to get subscriptions.


Just to let you know cities and townships no longer control cable companies. It was changed to state regulated a few months back. This was pushed by AT&T so they could have their service in areas where deals were made by companies with communities.

Hello All:

Have any of the TWC 8300HD users ever have any problems with the 8300HD going haywire and switching between sending a 1080i and 480i signal through component video? I was helping a friend set up his new projector... it works great w/ DVD via component but as far as I can tell (deductive testing) the 8300HD keeps sending different signals via component to his projector (panny pt-ax200). I went into the advanced menu and tried selecting/de-selecting outputs and couldn't resolve the problem. I've helped multiple friends set up their 8300HD and never encountered this issue.

Thanks.

No new lineup love in the Bath/Copley end of the TWC ex-Adelphia system this morning, though STO did change (as someone mentioned) from 17 to 76 on the analog side.

Is that train coming through tonight?

If anyone DID get the digital lineup change last night (not just STO moving on analog), can you post here?

Just to let you know cities and townships no longer control cable companies. It was changed to state regulated a few months back. This was pushed by AT&T so they could have their service in areas where deals were made by companies with communities.

Thanks. I was just told the same thing by the department in North Ridgeville that handles complaints about Time Warner. She did take my name and number though, and said she would forward my complaints to the contact at Time Warner that the city of North Ridgeville has. The lady at Dennis Johnson's office, the Safety Service Director, told me that my complaints are nothing new about Time Warner. Apparently she hears them quite a bit about Time Warner.

I'm going to hit Time Warner from all angles until something is done about this. I'm still waiting for a Time Warner supervisor to call me back. A lot of people at our condo association meeting last week voiced their displeasure with Time Warner as well.

Thanks. I was just told the same thing by the department in North Ridgeville that handles complaints about Time Warner. She did take my name and number though, and said she would forward my complaints to the contact at Time Warner that the city of North Ridgeville has. The lady at Dennis Johnson's office, the Safety Service Director, told me that my complaints are nothing new about Time Warner. Apparently she hears them quite a bit about Time Warner.

I'm going to hit Time Warner from all angles until something is done about this. I'm still waiting for a Time Warner supervisor to call me back. A lot of people at our condo association meeting last week voiced their displeasure with Time Warner as well.

steve.fry@twcable.com

If he can't do anything, than nothing can be done!

Thanks. I was just told the same thing by the department in North Ridgeville that handles complaints about Time Warner. She did take my name and number though, and said she would forward my complaints to the contact at Time Warner that the city of North Ridgeville has. The lady at Dennis Johnson's office, the Safety Service Director, told me that my complaints are nothing new about Time Warner. Apparently she hears them quite a bit about Time Warner.

I'm going to hit Time Warner from all angles until something is done about this. I'm still waiting for a Time Warner supervisor to call me back. A lot of people at our condo association meeting last week voiced their displeasure with Time Warner as well.

If you want something done at TW you need to email the boss.

steve.fry@twcable.com

It works for many. Do a search and you'll find many people who had problems got them taken care of. He is President of TW NEO.

If you want something done at TW you need to email the boss.

steve.fry@twcable.com

It works for many. Do a search and you'll find many people who had problems got them taken care of. He is President of TW NEO.

At this point it's a "he said, she said" thing so I'm not too optimistic this will get resolved. I will hit them from this angle though as well.

At this point it's a "he said, she said" thing so I'm not too optimistic this will get resolved. I will hit them from this angle though as well.

I promise it will get resolved. Just watch.:)

The supervisor from Time Warner just called me back and everything is fine now. Too bad I had to waste 10+ hours of my time over several weeks just to get digital cable service with 2 working STB's, and one cable card at the price I was told I would be paying back in early March. Oh well, life goes on and it could be worse. :)

Now I just hope they add a couple of more HD channels like A & E and FX otherwise i'll be switching to DirecTV this fall.

The supervisor from Time Warner just called me back and everything is fine now. Too bad I had to waste 10+ hours of my time over several weeks just to get digital cable service with 2 working STB's, and one cable card at the price I was told I would be paying back in early March. Oh well, life goes on and it could be worse. :)

Now I just hope they add a couple of more HD channels like A & E and FX otherwise i'll be switching to DirecTV this fall.

We already have A&E HD. Did you get the new lineup? If you haven't, A&E HD comes with the new lineup...

We already have A&E HD. Did you get the new lineup? If you haven't, A&E HD comes with the new lineup...

That's cool but I'm not sure if I'll get it with the stripped down plan I have. I don't get all the HD channels like UHD and Mojo.

No new lineup love in the Bath/Copley end of the TWC ex-Adelphia system this morning, though STO did change (as someone mentioned) from 17 to 76 on the analog side.

Is that train coming through tonight?

The caboose hasn't rolled by yet. Patience, grasshopper. ;)

The caboose hasn't rolled by yet. Patience, grasshopper. ;)

You do realize you're credibility will suffer if it doesn't happen. Not to mention the fact that I'm standing by licking my chops waiting to go after you.;):D

That's cool but I'm not sure if I'll get it with the stripped down plan I have. I don't get all the HD channels like UHD and Mojo.

Those channels are in the basic plan. The only channels that arn't are MOJO, HDnet, HDnet Movies and Universal HD.

You do realize you're credibility will suffer if it doesn't happen. Not to mention the fact that I'm standing by licking my chops waiting to go after you.;):D

Be my guest. I've already seen some of the changes. :)

The caboose hasn't rolled by yet. Patience, grasshopper. ;)

As long as it's taking for the thing to finally hit the ex-Adelphia areas, I think the caboose is being PULLED by a grasshopper.

:D

As long as it's taking for the thing to finally hit the ex-Adelphia areas, I think the caboose is being PULLED by a grasshopper.

:D

Considering the complexity of the move, it's understandable that it's taking some time. Ultimately though it takes less time to do it right than to do it over! ;)

Be my guest. I've already seen some of the changes. :)

Oh really. You want to share those changes with the rest of us? Or is it you're pleasure to have us go through the remote.

I've got my guide printed up for the new channels upstairs. I'll have a look.

Now if this is completed by the time I wake up on Thursday morning I will say nice call.

If it isn't, then you're info wasn't as good as you thought.

I think you're pretty confident. That's usually the sign of someone who either really knows something.

If everything is the same tomorrow when I get up, it's strike 2.:)

Oh really. You want to share those changes with the rest of us? Or is it you're pleasure to have us go through the remote.

I've got my guide printed up for the new channels upstairs. I'll have a look.

Now if this is completed by the time I wake up on Thursday morning I will say nice call.

If it isn't, then you're info wasn't as good as you thought.

I think you're pretty confident. That's usually the sign of someone who either really knows something.

If everything is the same tomorrow when I get up, it's strike 2.:)

I'm not anywhere near a digital box at the moment, but I can see from a cable-ready TV that CMT was replaced by one of the MTV channels, which is part of the move. IMO that's at least a bunt. ;)

TWC University Heights - STO Channel 17 is now 76. Channel 40 is now Hallmark. All Analog channels are very grainy tonight. It appears the changes have started to take place. My QAM tuner went from 75 analog/75 digital to 77/77 of each.

TWC University Heights - STO Channel 17 is now 76. Channel 40 is now Hallmark. All Analog channels are very grainy tonight. It appears the changes have started to take place. My QAM tuner went from 75 analog/75 digital to 77/77 of each.

When I went to bed last night at the same time you posted I checked all digital channels and at taht time they were all the same.

I'm talking about the digital realignment, and while analog channels are a smal part of the move the big change doesn't come until I see the new digital channel alignment. Going to turn TV on now, trying to let the wife get in a few minutes extra sleep.

I'm not anywhere near a digital box at the moment, but I can see from a cable-ready TV that CMT was replaced by one of the MTV channels, which is part of the move. IMO that's at least a bunt. ;)

I see the ump is telling you to come back to the plate. That last pitch you did look for the curve but TW came up with a slider, low and in and you fouled it off.

I checked and yes indeed you are correct partially, CMT is now Turner Movies in my area and that aligns with my channel change. However there has not been a single digital move as of this morning, at least that I'm aware of.

I am troubled for the second time I turned on my television and found a frozend picture, this time on Jimmy Kimbell Live and that isn't a FOX Channel so probably they are attempting somethings.

And all these duplicate channels on digital and analog. What's up with that? Perhaps a plan in the future to remove these channels from analog so that people who wanted to watch them will have to purchase a digital box? Oh, that's right it's free you just pay for the service. Then they charge you for the DVR after one year even though you didn't request the DVR to start.

Time Warner. They think liike single men. They f*** you and then don't even kiss you.:D;)

The count is 0 and 2. Make sure you get at least a piece of this next pitch. Analog does not count.

Well here in Copley I caught the box in the middle of the lineup change. As of 7am all I have now is analog stations and no guide. I hope it works when I get home.
Dave

Well here in Copley I caught the box in the middle of the lineup change. As of 7am all I have now is analog stations and no guide. I hope it works when I get home.

I'm in the same general area (western Summit County) and I got nothing overnight. Well, maybe the analog stuff mentioned earlier - I haven't checked for CMT, for example - but the digital channels are still in the old places.

OK, spent way too much time looking for CMT (I'm no fan, so I had no idea what channel), and indeed, analog 73 is now Turner Classic Movies instead of CMT.

Well here in Copley I caught the box in the middle of the lineup change. As of 7am all I have now is analog stations and no guide. I hope it works when I get home.

Maybe another thought - you didn't catch it in the middle of a lineup change, but rather in the middle of the Navigator thing? Two separate processes. They can update the Navigator thing without changing the lineup, though they are linked time-wise in this move, apparently.

We'll probably be the last area to get the change. They've ignored the Bath/Copley/Northampton section of the system going back to the old Cablevision days!

Went home for lunch .. and still no change in Brecksville / Broadview Hts area. Just the analog updates, no digital revisions yet.

I just hope my digital channels are back tonite !
Dave

I just hope my digital channels are back tonite !

See my above.

Do you have more than one digital box? (Doesn't sound like it, but I thought I'd ask.)

I get the idea that we are talking about two separate processes here - the Navigator box update, and the digital realignment. Maybe you picked up a bad Navigator update.

Page 420!! :D:D ;)

No change here in Columbia Station, except for the STO move. Ex-Adelphia house.

Just one box. Only worked on the analog stuff early this morning.
Dave

Just one box. Only worked on the analog stuff early this morning.
Dave

If digital channels arn't there, reboot. First rule in anything dealing with computers. :)

Nothing new here in Twinsburg to report.

Are we sure this is ever going to happen?




:D

You TWC guys are funny. Us DirecTV people are just sitting back and waiting for our new satellite to get in it's parking spot in a couple of weeks and light up hundreds of new HD channels. :D

You TWC guys are funny. Us DirecTV people are just sitting back and waiting for our new satellite to get in it's parking spot in a couple of weeks and light up hundreds of new HD channels. :D

You DirecTV guys are funny. We'll be standing on good ol' terra firma while you're crawling around on the roof fixing the antennas after the next big wind. ;)

Are we sure this is ever going to happen?


:D

No, and Cathode Kid that's strike 3. You're out.:p


Since I've been in this forum I've only seen one person even come close to true prediction of events and that was hansom (I think that was his name) .

Now that doesn't it won't happen sometime soon and I'm really not out to get you. I'm sure they are "working" on it as they have been for over a month but when that train really arrives I wouldn't be suprised if anybody can actually say.

Put my ear to the track this morning. Didn't hear a thing.

Perhaps the train took another track? Or maybe being as it's dealing with old Adelphia it got derrailed?:eek:

I recieved a call from my brother last night. He lives with my dad in Richmond Hts where we grew up. They recieved the new lineup yesturday. He called me around 5:30 PM. They were Adelphia before TWC took over. I am in Mentor and still nothing here. I think its time to take bets as to who will the last system to get the reallignment. I bet Mentor will be last.

Ray

I haven't posted here in a really long time. I have just this morning been upgraded (?) to Navigator. I have an 8300HD. For some reason, I have no DVR functions. The guide still shows programs in red that are scheduled to record. I can't use pause, record, list, rewind. I can't select any new programs from the guide to record.

Is anyone else seeing this?

-- Frank

I haven't posted here in a really long time. I have just this morning been upgraded (?) to Navigator. I have an 8300HD. For some reason, I have no DVR functions. The guide still shows programs in red that are scheduled to record. I can't use pause, record, list, rewind. I can't select any new programs from the guide to record.

Is anyone else seeing this?

-- Frank

Interesting... I'm also in Akron and I still have Passport. Also on the 8300HD.

I know they did push Navigator through for 8300SD DVRs last week as well as some non-DVR boxes. I guess Time Warner is strange like that :confused:

I DVRed a movie in HD overnight and it is all there.

Sorry guys, false alarm, got home last night and the box was back to normal.No lineup change or Navigator software.
Dave

I live Sagamore Hills (old Adelphia area). Still no changes here.

nickdawg.....gotta compliment you on the signature. I've seen AI as the downfall of music for many years.

And the reason you don't get navigator is TW fears you.:D

Yep, that's what it said when I got home yesterday. Seems I had a "partial months charge from last month" of 241.00.

I call TW and press billing. Now I have to say everytime I have tried to talk to billing they are the most useless people in the world. No matter what it is they say they have to transfer me to customer service. What the hell are they?

So this monkey first ask me if I moved recently. I tell him no. He says one moment. Then he says he's looking at the bill. Then he ask me if I moved recently. I tell him you already asked me that and I answred it. No. Then he tells me that I ordered Major League Baseball last month. I said no, I had it last year and even then they divided the payments up and I didn't want it this year. He insist that someone called from my home. I said it's just me and my wife and nobody ordered it, give me a credit.

He says he can't. It's too much money for him to refund. He has to transfer me to (guess where) customer service.

So he transfers me and I hear the TW recordings and then I get the infamously loud busy signal.

So I call again this time pressing the "technical video" line because I know that's the real customer service only to get a guy who tells me I need to speak to billing. I told him billing transfered me to customer service, arn't you customer service? He says yes. He's flustered and doesn't know what to do so I ask for a customer service specialist.

I get transferred successfully this time and talk to Sabrina. Sabrina is sympathetic and says absolutely she will take care of this and tells me she will remove the cost of MLB plus the tax. I ask her for any other info like an employee number, extension. She tells me that she is the only Sabrina who works at TW customer service.

Well, Sabrina the teen age witch she certainly wasn't because next day I looke at the internet and there is no credit. I call TW customer service and talk to someone else. She says she see's the notes but Sabrina could not give the credit. It would have to be done by her manager. I say so this will happen? She says yes definitely. I say thanks and hang up.

Then I start thinking. How many times have I been told something is going to a manager and nothing happens?

I decide why not. Why waste time. So I draft up a letter and finish it off at work and zap it off to steve.fry@twcable.com.

At lunch I have a voice mail from someone in their local office. She wants to talk to me. I call her at her extension and amazingly she answers. I tell her who I am and she apologizes all over the place and yes she has the letter I sent to Steve Fry and not only is she refunding my money, she's not charging me for my cable card install or my two new cable cards. She tells me to pay 129.87 and not a penny more. She says she "rounded off" a couple of other charges so that's all I need to pay.

It seems like TW customer service is just as bad as Adelphia. But once again going to the top gets thing done.

My wife just checked. The adjustment is there!:)

steve.fry@twcable.com.

He's the man.

I'm tempted to drop a Steve Fry note asking when the freakin' channel alignment is going to finally take place, but I don't wanna abuse the Power of the Fry Force.

:D

The old Adelphia used to have a channel 1 message that they could put stuff like this up. No longer.

I don't mind the "wait", but I'd like some advance notice.

Fry Force should only be used in case of emergency help. :D
Please don't abuse it. If we start useing it for trivial purposes, we may lose it. ;)

.......... He insist that someone called from my home. I said it's just me and my wife and nobody ordered it, give me a credit......

Are you certain your birds were in their cages when TW claims this phone call came from your home??? :eek::eek::eek:

Then he tells me that I ordered Major League Baseball last month. I said no, I had it last year and even then they divided the payments up and I didn't want it this year.

I think these PPV packages are generally set up for auto-renewal which is what may have caused you problems. Did you ever call back last year to cancel MLB:EI for next year? I am not by any means condoning this practice, only trying to come up with a reasonable explanation for the MLB:EI order.

They've always been auto-renewal with the satellite companies, but in the past, they weren't with the cable companies. In addition, I always receive correspondence from Directv in advance reminding me of the subscription, so I can cancel if I want.


I think these PPV packages are generally set up for auto-renewal which is what may have caused you problems. Did you ever call back last year to cancel MLB:EI for next year? I am not by any means condoning this practice, only trying to come up with a reasonable explanation for the MLB:EI order.

Are you certain your birds were in their cages when TW claims this phone call came from your home??? :eek::eek::eek:

I knew someone was going to say this. Well it's true some of them are fans of out of town teams like the Cardinals and there are a few Orioles fans. However I checked to see if anybody had a hidden cell phone and I couldn't find one so I don't think they did it.;)

I think these PPV packages are generally set up for auto-renewal which is what may have caused you problems. Did you ever call back last year to cancel MLB:EI for next year? I am not by any means condoning this practice, only trying to come up with a reasonable explanation for the MLB:EI order.

I asked that question specifically last year and I was told no, but then again it was a CSR I spoke with.:rolleyes:

I know that D* use to do that but I would see it starting to show up a couple of months before the season started so no problem stopping it.

And even if they did an auto renewal, hit me with one payment when I made 3 last year? They've always had the 3 payment option, why would that change?

Fry Force should only be used in case of emergency help. :D
Please don't abuse it. If we start useing it for trivial purposes, we may lose it. ;)

Yeah pushing the Fry button on the change issue won't do much good. As I said earlier I doubt anybody really knows exactly what day the change will happen. It probably goes on a day by day basis at this point.

I see there does not appear to be any new channel reallaignments reported this morning. I thought after I heard Richmond Hts (old Adelphia) changed on Wednesday we would begin to see one or two non-legacy systems a day getting realligned. I will be visiting my dad's on Saturday and I will at least get a look at his new lineup when there.

Ray

Yeah pushing the Fry button on the change issue won't do much good. As I said earlier I doubt anybody really knows exactly what day the change will happen. It probably goes on a day by day basis at this point.

Oh, I know. I'm mostly teasing. I would like to know, though, why this is all hush hush, and there's no notification of when it's going to happen.

Oh, I know. I'm mostly teasing. I would like to know, though, why this is all hush hush, and there's no notification of when it's going to happen.

Dude, it's because they don't know what's going on either.:)

I'm telling you that this has become a day by day thing and we already know it's moving much slower then they hoped. I'm not surprised. Adelphia never did what they should have done in the first place and now TW is stuck with putting the pieces together.

The other day when I called customer service there was a message saying at the beginning that "people within the Cleveland Suburb Area will only be able to receive analog channels tonight."

Well, that wasn't true but obviously they had planned to try to pull something off and it didn't work.

It's a shame we can't start a pool on this. Be interesting to see who'd win. I think I would draw the pool all the way out to the end of May.

For at least the past 3 days the audio has been badly out of sync on WVIZ 25 via D*. Wondering if this is a D* problem or a WVIZ problem. I'm too lazy to hook up the antenna and drag out a TV with an analog tuner to find out. :D

I'll have to agree that something apparently went wrong with the realignment. Maybe they'll come out one day and say "sorry, we tried, but it won't work".

:D

I did get one of those coupons for the converter boxes. Or card, or whatever you called it. Picked up the Insignia (Zenith) for the downstairs analog TV in the office. Did the scanning up here, and pick up the usual except for 3/19 for the obvious reasons.

I could probably mess with the antenna for 19. Both show signal, just not good enough to lock, at least in my moves of the antenna up here.

Former Adelphia Customers: do you currently have digital simulcast? Example: CNN is on an analog channel on TVs without a box but it is digital on the same channel number on TVs with a STB.

Our Time Warner did a digital conversion about two years ago. If these channels are not available in digital yet, that may be what is holding it up. They have to upgrade to digital channels to map them with the other channels. Plus, they have to do this anyway with 2/17/09 coming up soon.

Former Adelphia Customers: do you currently have digital simulcast? Example: CNN is on an analog channel on TVs without a box but it is digital on the same channel number on TVs with a STB.

Our Time Warner did a digital conversion about two years ago. If these channels are not available in digital yet, that may be what is holding it up. They have to upgrade to digital channels to map them with the other channels. Plus, they have to do this anyway with 2/17/09 coming up soon.

The analog broadcast cut-off is irrelevant in regards to cable's digital simulcast.

Ex-Adelphians have the four major broadcast network affiliates (3/5/8/19) in digital simulcast mode. Very few, if any, of the "analog cable channels" are.

I'm sure this is part of the process, as many of the analog expanded basic cable channels have digital mirrors in the new lineup.

Ex-Adelphians have the four major broadcast network affiliates (3/5/8/19) in digital simulcast mode. Very few, if any, of the "analog cable channels" are.

I'm sure this is part of the process, as many of the analog expanded basic cable channels have digital mirrors in the new lineup.

I'm not debating the likelihood of the digital simulcast as being part of the realignment process, just that digital simulcast has nothing to do with the analog broadcast cutoff.

Our Time Warner did a digital conversion about two years ago. If these channels are not available in digital yet, that may be what is holding it up. They have to upgrade to digital channels to map them with the other channels. Plus, they have to do this anyway with 2/17/09 coming up soon.

Aw, horse manure. These channels have been available for years in digital broadcast. D* and E* have been bringing them in just fine and not upgraded analog either.

The only reason TW is putting them on digital and analog is because in the evil twisted thinking they are eventually going to pull these channels off of analog and say, gee sorry but we need to get the most out of what we have available and these channels just take up so much bandwith so we had to put them on digitital at all time. However you can get a free digital box at any of our locations (for 1 year) if you still want to receive these channels. You will be charged for digital service. And then after the year goes by we will screw you with the charge for the DVR as well.

Oh, you say you didn't want the DVR. Gosh, we are sorry but that's all we have anymore.

Time Warner is having problems because they have a screwed up deal left over from Adelphia. I still think they will pull it off because they have no choice, D* and E* will run them out of town, not to mention AT&T. But how long it will take is anybody's guess.

Has anyone noticed that Cathode Kid has disappeared since for the last couple of days?:)

The only reason TW is putting them on digital and analog is because in the evil twisted thinking they are eventually going to pull these channels off of analog and say, gee sorry but we need to get the most out of what we have available and these channels just take up so much bandwith so we had to put them on digitital at all time. However you can get a free digital box at any of our locations (for 1 year) if you still want to receive these channels. You will be charged for digital service. And then after the year goes by we will screw you with the charge for the DVR as well.



God, how I really wish they would do that!! This analog bulls*** needs to go. It should have been gone yesterday. Figure for each NTSC analog channel Time Warner has, two or three HDTV or seven SD digital channels could occupy that space. Time Warner is hemorrhaging in wasting bandwidth and they keep clawing at their wounds the longer they keep this garbage on analog.

Just keep the required local broadcast and DUMP THE REST OF THE CRAP!!

The only reason TW is putting them on digital and analog is because in the evil twisted thinking they are eventually going to pull these channels off of analog and say, gee sorry but we need to get the most out of what we have available and these channels just take up so much bandwith so we had to put them on digitital at all time.

Man, you are one cynical person, Hookbill. They've been saying publicly for a long time rhat all of the analog broadcast channels will still be available in analog format after the DTV cutoff.

Has anyone noticed that Cathode Kid has disappeared since for the last couple of days?:)

No, I haven't noticed that. :p I've been reading and thinking about the issue at hand.

The analog broadcast cut-off is irrelevant in regards to cable's digital simulcast.

My sister has cable using the analog tuner in the SD tv(no cable box). After the switch will she still be able to use the tv tuner or will she need to add a cable box to continue using the same tv?

Thx,
Tom

Man, you are one cynical person, Hookbill. They've been saying publicly for a long time rhat all of the analog broadcast channels will still be available in analog format after the DTV cutoff.

I think yoou missed my point. I understand that analog will be available. I have no doubt.

But why create a digital and analog version of the same channel? With the exception of locals this doesn't make sense.

Now it COULD be that they need these versions in digital so they can go HD eventually. I didn't think about that until just now.

Time will tell. But thanks for at least getting me to think of another reason why they might do this. I'll try not to be to cynical. Of Time Warner. The same Time Warner that just tried to overcharge me 250.00. and didn't provide me with the proper services for high speed internet until I complained to Steve Fry.

After all....Time Warner - We think like you do!:rolleyes:

Whoops got a little cynical again. Or is it sarcastic....:D

My sister has cable using the analog tuner in the SD tv(no cable box). After the switch will she still be able to use the tv tuner or will she need to add a cable box to continue using the same tv?

Thx,
Tom

Yes, she will have no problem at all.

I think that is definately cynical and not sarcastic Hook. Take it from me, I'm an expert at both. Although with TW, it's only common sense that you definately have a right to be cynical. :D

I think that is definately cynical and not sarcastic Hook. Take it from me, I'm an expert at both. Although with TW, it's only common sense that you definately have a right to be cynical. :D

Thanks for your expert opinion on that. I always have trouble distinguishing between sarcasm and cynicism.;)

I'm trying to help someone from brecksville find their QAM channels. Are the locals still 3-1, 5-1, 8-1, and 19-1 for TWC?

I'm trying to help someone from brecksville find their QAM channels. Are the locals still 3-1, 5-1, 8-1, and 19-1 for TWC?

Yes, but those numbers don't reflect the actual frequencies. The channel numbers are contained within the PSIP (http://www.psip.org/) data for the channel, in an area called the Virtual Channel Table. This enables a broadcaster or cable company to move a program to any frequency and still have it show up to the user as 3-1, 5-1 etc.

Re-scan the TV et and the set will make a list of which frequencies correspond with which VCTs.

We kicked this around before. Cable companies are required to provide analog versions of the local broadcast channels (downconverted) as long as they provide analog service of any form.

What eventually could happen, but I'm guessing not soon, would be that TWC could provide analog only as "lifeline basic", with the broadcast channels and not a lot else (say, sub 20, analog), and then offer everything else in digital only.

The new lineup would allow for that whenever they decide to do that...but I'm guessing it won't be for a few years out.

I've been reading and thinking about the issue at hand.

...and?

:D

We kicked this around before. Cable companies are required to provide analog versions of the local broadcast channels (downconverted) as long as they provide analog service of any form.

What eventually could happen, but I'm guessing not soon, would be that TWC could provide analog only as "lifeline basic", with the broadcast channels and not a lot else (say, sub 20, analog), and then offer everything else in digital only.

Keep in mind that the cable companies still need to be competitive in certain markets in regard to the "extra" analog channels they provide. Not so much in Akron/Canton, but imagine what would happen if TWC announced that their basic/analog Parma offerings would only include the local channels. Without the non-broadcast analogs, everyone in that area would jump ship and buy a pair of rabbit ears... Why pay TWC $25/month when they could get the same channels for a one-time purchase? That's probably a huge number of subscribers...

So far the ABC pregame and the first few minutes of the broadcast has been unwatchable (TWC, Mayfield Hts). Freezing every 15-20 seconds for 1-2 minutes at a time. When it does have picture AND sound, it's mostly artifacts. Anyone else having problems?

The game isn't blacked out on D*. It looks terrible! Way too hot...

The game isn't blacked out on D*. It looks terrible! Way too hot...

You could just watch it on WKYC :)

Earlier we discussed what the differences might be between the two. Obviously you either missed the discussion or didn't care.

You could just watch it on WKYC :)

No Tribe game on WKYC for my cockatoo. He got his digital receiver today but I could only bring in 3 channels, 8.1, 5.1 and se habla espanol.1.

But he never watches anything but FOX 8 anyway so he should be fine. First time he's ever had a clean picture.

No Tribe game on WKYC for my cockatoo. He got his digital receiver today but I could only bring in 3 channels, 8.1, 5.1 and se habla espanol.1.

But he never watches anything but FOX 8 anyway so he should be fine. First time he's ever had a clean picture.

Well, he did try to call TW to help his cause, but even though that didn't work out for him, at least he got the ball rolling in his favor.;)

I assume you are trying OTA?... if so why not just hook up the cable and get the QAMs?

Earlier we discussed what the differences might be between the two. Obviously you either missed the discussion or didn't care.

What the heck are you talking about??? You say TBS looks like crap, and KYC looks good... what, the commentators?... I don't understand what major "differences" there could be.

Keep in mind that the cable companies still need to be competitive in certain markets in regard to the "extra" analog channels they provide. Not so much in Akron/Canton, but imagine what would happen if TWC announced that their basic/analog Parma offerings would only include the local channels. Without the non-broadcast analogs, everyone in that area would jump ship and buy a pair of rabbit ears... Why pay TWC $25/month when they could get the same channels for a one-time purchase? That's probably a huge number of subscribers...

See this is what I don't understand. I went through the entire lineup and I only saw two stations that arn't replicated in digital, excluding community access. WGN and Hallmark are the only one's I don't see on the digital list.

Part of the problem with "just putting up a pair of rabbit ears" is it just in't that simple. Basically that's what I did for my bird and I can just barely drag in 3 clear signals. And those rabbit ears I bought were listed at 39.95 with a 35% discount because I bought the converter box with my coupon at rat shack.

They don't have the Zenith boxes anymore. Sold out. They only had one, Digital Stream. 59.00. I figured with the 35% discount on the antenna it was a deal so I'd give it a try.

I am quite impressed by the picture. Tyler (my cockatoo) has stopped screaming now so he must be enjoying it.:)

No, I haven't noticed that. :p I've been reading and thinking about the issue at hand.

...and?

:D


Yeah, what's up with that little cryptic statement. Would YOU happen to be the source? Why else would you be reading and thinking about the "issue at hand." What issue? Gotta little problem you'd like to talk to us about?

The game isn't blacked out on D*. It looks terrible! Way too hot...

Thanks for reminding. I almost forgot about this opportunity to compare. Yeah, TBS has this chronic problem with the reds just blaring. I see it on every weekend baseball game with them. Also the green grass looks artifically green. I guess that goes under your technical term "too hot" :D

WKYC (STO) has a much more natural look to it.

Keep in mind that the cable companies still need to be competitive in certain markets in regard to the "extra" analog channels they provide. Not so much in Akron/Canton, but imagine what would happen if TWC announced that their basic/analog Parma offerings would only include the local channels. Without the non-broadcast analogs, everyone in that area would jump ship and buy a pair of rabbit ears... Why pay TWC $25/month when they could get the same channels for a one-time purchase? That's probably a huge number of subscribers...

Same problem in Canton (Plain Township) area.

Opps - replied to wrong message - Cavs game in Canton is also almost unwatchable due to freezeups every couple of minutes.

Well, he did try to call TW to help his cause, but even though that didn't work out for him, at least he got the ball rolling in his favor.;)

I assume you are trying OTA?... if so why not just hook up the cable and get the QAMs?

He has no cable outlet in his room. But I just did a rescan since I was getting some decent signals and now I got a bunch more channels including our favorite WOIO and of course it's substation 19.2 which has that thing on it about not being available. I didn't get 19.3 but WOIO was weak and I would have had to move the antenna around to dial it in. Since he is happy with Fox 8 I didn't want to bother, anyway I really prefer he doesn't watch "Action News."

I also pulled in My 43 nice and clean as well. Another channel he doesn't need to look at.

Now get this. The bird gets a nice clear picture of WBNX while I'm still stuck with analog TW WBNX, until they do the channel line up change. Which is going to happen starting in March. Or March thru April. Or last Tuesday or Wednesday. Or maybe in May. But I dont want to sound cynical or anything.;)

So far the ABC pregame and the first few minutes of the broadcast has been unwatchable (TWC, Mayfield Hts). Freezing every 15-20 seconds for 1-2 minutes at a time. When it does have picture AND sound, it's mostly artifacts. Anyone else having problems?

I guess I'm the only one? Was ok for half the second quarter, now it's back to unwatchable... :mad:

WEW-HD on Time Warner Akron is also acting up. I don't get the channel at all. I just had a blank, grey screen and had to switch to the SD version. Way to go Time WArner!

I was watching this channel in the late night hours last night and noticed it was freezing every few minutes.

EDIT: I just filpped over to WEW HD and had picture and sound, for a few seconds. Then it went grey again.

Anybody getting a "jittery" picture on the Cavs game on WEWSDT? It looks like it's displaying every other frame or so. Watching on Armstrong Cable in Medina.

Thanks.

Cavs game on the HD channel is unwatchable in Canton. Keeps freezing. I have to watch the game on the SD channel. Im glad I have this nice HD TV to watch the game in SD :rolleyes:

WEW-HD on Time Warner Akron is also acting up. I don't get the channel at all. I just had a blank, grey screen and had to switch to the SD version. Way to go Time WArner!

I was watching this channel in the late night hours last night and noticed it was freezing every few minutes.

EDIT: I just filpped over to WEW HD and had picture and sound, for a few seconds. Then it went grey again.

I just checked. It looks good on TW in my area in HD. It also looked good in digital OTA in the birds room.:eek:

Edit: Someone just reported it's freezing OTA so it's a broadcast issue. Freezing and flipping back would cause the grey screen. Most of the time these things are not TW, they are the station.

Watching (or trying to) NASCAR on TWC (8.1) but it kept locking up every few minutes or so... switched to the antenna... all OK. (In Cuyahoga Falls). WEWS was doing that the other night.

Didn't get a chance to watch the Cavs game on WEWS in HD...just caught the last few minutes in analog form.

But it sounds like a WEWS problem, given that folks on different cable systems reported it as well as OTA.


Now get this. The bird gets a nice clear picture of WBNX while I'm still stuck with analog TW WBNX, until they do the channel line up change. Which is going to happen starting in March. Or March thru April. Or last Tuesday or Wednesday. Or maybe in May. But I dont want to sound cynical or anything.


Heh.

Just for kicks and grins, I tuned the digital cable box to 399, the ongoing loop of information about the realignment. When I watched it, they were featuring the "Ask Time Warner" segment between Don V. and TWC's marketing guy.

The show, which I think started airing in late February or early March, said the process would go "neighborhood by neighborhood" and take place over 30 days. The promos they were running also said "March 2008". It's nearly May. :D

SOMETHING WENT WRONG. That has to be it. And I can understand if our resident "source" here doesn't wanna talk about it. I just wish someone at TWC would provide more specific information to the ex-Adelphia/Cleveland types who are still waiting.

Anybody getting a "jittery" picture on the Cavs game on WEWSDT? It looks like it's displaying every other frame or so. Watching on Armstrong Cable in Medina.

Thanks.
I was checking in here to ask the very same question. On WOW cable, it looked like a webcast at times.

2Heh.

Just for kicks and grins, I tuned the digital cable box to 399, the ongoing loop of information about the realignment. When I watched it, they were featuring the "Ask Time Warner" segment between Don V. and TWC's marketing guy.

The show, which I think started airing in late February or early March, said the process would go "neighborhood by neighborhood" and take place over 30 days. The promos they were running also said "March 2008". It's nearly May. :D

SOMETHING WENT WRONG. That has to be it. And I can understand if our resident "source" here doesn't wanna talk about it. I just wish someone at TWC would provide more specific information to the ex-Adelphia/Cleveland types who are still waiting.

Not so much last week but the week before I woke up and found my tv sets both with frozen pictures on them from late night shows. I think that's when TW started to see this might not be as easy to do as they thought.

Matter of fact they probably knew it wouldn't be easy to do anyway, came up with a plan tried to implement it and something went wrong. So now they are trying to figure out what to do. For all we know they may be starting from scratch as far as the old Cleveland Adelphia areas go.

I really don't fault TW on this and I'm not upset that they haven't pulled it off. It was my thinking all along that it would be a major challenge to do it which is why I purchased the S3 and TiVo HD. I figured it would take a while just to do channel realignment and I "hoped" that something would come around by the time SDV actually got here. So this delay is just fine with me.

I do fault TW however for their ridiculous idea of putting copy protection on all digital channels. That simply doesn't make sense.

For those of you who may not understand what I meant in that statement, TW will allow you to copy a digital program however they have put a lock on it so you can't move it from one DVR to another or to your computer. This affects TiVo people.

Yeah, it looks like a WEWS problem since OTA and other cable has commented here. What a shock, technical difficulties on 5's HD channel:rolleyes:

I have anohter one: while watching "Grey's Anatomy" and "Lost" on Thursday there was a black bar on the bottom of the screen. It wasn't covering anything, it looked like someone/something at WEWS was scresed up and the overscan/screen position settings were wrong. The whole picture looked as if it were higher on the screen(the bug was too high). WEWS usually irritates me since their picture is too far up from the bottom, but on Thursday it was really wrong.

I think the Cavs game issues were a TW problem. I got pissed with the cable so I plugged in some rabbit ears to my TV and the gave came in fine on WEWS OTA. If anything it looked like a few frames were dropping out but it was sure a whole hell of a lot more watchable that TW.

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one experiencing problems with WEWS during the game...

Yeah, what's up with that little cryptic statement. Would YOU happen to be the source? Why else would you be reading and thinking about the "issue at hand." What issue? Gotta little problem you'd like to talk to us about?

"Cryptic?" All I'm trying to do is to think and chew gum at the same time. Somedays I have trouble with this concept. ;)

But I'm also thinking about the conversion. Every version of set-top box has it's own hardware and firmware version, plus all of the middleware that has to run on top of it. They're all a little different. It's like rolling out a new version of Windows across multiple corporations - depending on the software that's already installed, the new OS may or may not play well with the legacy apps. To further complicate matters, there are apps running in the CE devices (such as Tivo) which can be affected by firmware changes. And there are some DCR TV sets that are notorious for firmware issues.

It's not your father's TV technology anymore. Whenever an operator is faced with making sweeping changes, they have to plan for all of the dominoes that will fall, including those that won't fall in the expected direction.

If I was making the changes, I would do them in carefully measured steps to insure the least amount of disruption. Which appears to be what they're doing.

I think the Cavs game issues were a TW problem. I got pissed with the cable so I plugged in some rabbit ears to my TV and the gave came in fine on WEWS OTA. If anything it looked like a few frames were dropping out but it was sure a whole hell of a lot more watchable that TW.

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one experiencing problems with WEWS during the game...

Well, somebody at Armstrong cable said the same thing that they were having problems. I still vote broadcast issue.

[QUOTE=Cathode Kid;If I was making the changes, I would do them in carefully measured steps to insure the least amount of disruption. Which appears to be what they're doing.[/QUOTE]

We're both on the same page. That's exactly what I think is going on.

But I'm also thinking about the conversion. Every version of set-top box has it's own hardware and firmware version, plus all of the middleware that has to run on top of it. They're all a little different. It's like rolling out a new version of Windows across multiple corporations - depending on the software that's already installed, the new OS may or may not play well with the legacy apps. To further complicate matters, there are apps running in the CE devices (such as Tivo) which can be affected by firmware changes. And there are some DCR TV sets that are notorious for firmware issues.

Absolutely none of this has to do with the changing of a channel lineup. It has to do with the Navigator conversion, which for some odd reason TWC decided to do in the same window as the lineup changes.

TWC could separate the processes, no? They could do the channel lineup changes without doing Navigator, no? Or, vice versa.

There may be a very good technical reason they decided to do it "all at once". But they can move around channels without changing the box firmware, unless there's a point in here I don't know (technically)...which there may be.

It just got me that the process seems to have come to a screeching halt once they hit the former Adelphia systems. Maybe there's a lot more behind that than changing the "legacy" systems, as they call them.

It just got me that the process seems to have come to a screeching halt once they hit the former Adelphia systems. Maybe there's a lot more behind that than changing the "legacy" systems, as they call them.

Of course. And that's probably why Adelphia never did it either. And I'll bet when the sale was made nobody decided to say anything.:D

Well, somebody at Armstrong cable said the same thing that they were having problems. I still vote broadcast issue.

The frame rate issues are WEWS issue(I've seen that problem before). The dropout/blank screen is Time Warner. I still cannot get WUAB-DT(it was breaking up/frezing earlier). Guess that means "south park" on WUAB analog tonight:(:mad:

I saved myself the aggrivation and watched everything in SD tonight(my box rebooted from flipping through the channels-must've been confused). So far, WEWS has not been freezing every few seconds. Everything else is now OK, except for WUAB. WJW was gone earlier:D:D:D:D, now it's back.:(

The frame rate issues are WEWS issue(I've seen that problem before). The dropout/blank screen is Time Warner. I still cannot get WUAB-DT(it was breaking up/frezing earlier). Guess that means "south park" on WUAB analog tonight:(:mad:

I saved myself the aggrivation and watched everything in SD tonight(my box rebooted from flipping through the channels-must've been confused). So far, WEWS has not been freezing every few seconds. Everything else is now OK, except for WUAB. WJW was gone earlier:D:D:D:D, now it's back.:(

Wow, I watched the news last night on WUAB and I didn't have a single problem from 10:00 pm to 11:00 pm. Yes, I do watch Action News everyonce in a while so I don't have to hear about American Idol.:)

Maybe the problem is the the SA 83....

Whoops, sorry. That was a slip up. Really.:D

I was watching Cav's also on 5.1 OTA in Geauga, and having same frame problems myself.

Steve

Well, the clued-up TWC tech who finally sorted my cablecard install said the switch-over would happen by the end of the month, so I guess we still have one Tue/Wed window to go... Hmm.

Probably they have hit some kind of show-stopper on the conversion. I would hope that if this was major show-stopper, they would come clean and admit they'll have to try again in a few months. More likely it is a minor issue, and they are having to put things off on a week-by-week basis, aiming towards the next Tue/Wed maintenance slot. I'd like to think at least that degree of planning and leadership is going on internally, though it's hard to tell.

Where I think TWC have really dropped the ball is on communication. It would not be hard to have provided a web page listing each service area together with an expected conversion date, updated weekly.
I'm about to spend much of the next month traveling, and it would be nice not to potentially miss shows because I wasn't around to re-do the guided setup on my Tivos.


[Just listened to the WCPN program on Digital TV, but no information there that'd be new to folks here.]

No issues whatsoever during the Cav's HD Broadcast. Watched via D*........

Probably they have hit some kind of show-stopper on the conversion. I would hope that if this was major show-stopper, they would come clean and admit they'll have to try again in a few months. More likely it is a minor issue, and they are having to put things off on a week-by-week basis, aiming towards the next Tue/Wed maintenance slot. I'd like to think at least that degree of planning and leadership is going on internally, though it's hard to tell.


Thank you. That's the first time I've laughed all day.:)

I saved myself the aggrivation and watched everything in SD tonight(my box rebooted from flipping through the channels-must've been confused). So far, WEWS has not been freezing every few seconds. Everything else is now OK, except for WUAB. WJW was gone earlier:D:D:D:D, now it's back.:(

The head of engineering at WEWS spoke with Time Warner and they admitted to having problems with the WEWS HD signal especially during Sunday's game. They say they are in the process of correcting the problem.

The head of engineering at WEWS spoke with Time Warner and they admitted to having problems with the WEWS HD signal especially during Sunday's game. They say they are in the process of correcting the problem.

I didn't have the time to write this up yesterday. I called in about this as well. After speaking with a tech, they sent a signal to my box & the stuttering/freezing stopped. However, after that the picture looked crappy. Looked like lower frame rate. After awhile it fixed itself.

One thing of note though. At one point while speaking to the tech, she called some guy at the head end and inquired about when the issue was going to be fixed. She mentioned to him about the low frame rates. Head end guy goes "tell him he can still watch the game on the SD channel." I realize this is par for the course, but come on. I spend a lot of money each month on this crap & the last thing they should be telling a customer is "tough." I am this close to calling D* and finding out if I can get it. The only thing holding me back is the hassle associated with setting up an appointment and waiting then being told LOS is an issue.

TWC, your service is garbage.

The head of engineering at WEWS spoke with Time Warner and they admitted to having problems with the WEWS HD signal especially during Sunday's game. They say they are in the process of correcting the problem.

WEWS has really had some problems, especially with frame rate and out of position picture. Glad to hear they are doing something about it. :D

Keep in mind that the cable companies still need to be competitive in certain markets in regard to the "extra" analog channels they provide. Not so much in Akron/Canton, but imagine what would happen if TWC announced that their basic/analog Parma offerings would only include the local channels. Without the non-broadcast analogs, everyone in that area would jump ship and buy a pair of rabbit ears... Why pay TWC $25/month when they could get the same channels for a one-time purchase? That's probably a huge number of subscribers...
Except that Parma is one of a few select communities in NE Ohio without TWC as a choice for cable! (if you want cable you have the choice of Cox, Cox or Cox. Life is wonderful in the Peoples Republic of Parma). We missed out on WOW thanks to the 216 area code split. The person who was mayor at the time would not agree to negotiate with Ameritech (the original builder of what is now WOW) without first agreeing to not split-up Parma into 2 different area codes. The a/c split was drawn up by an independent committee not associated with any phone company. Judging by how they drew the line, I believe they all lived in Hunting Valley (since that distant 'burb stayed in 216 while closer blue-collar 'burbs like Parma got split-up).

BTW: If you happen to drive down Sprague Rd. between Broadview and State look up at the cable lines that run along the north side of the street. You will see a rare sight - 3 separate cable systems on the same poles: COX for the houses on the Parma side of the street, and TWC + WOW for the North Royalton side (and perhaps Broadview Hts. too, although I'm not certain WOW is in BVH).

In Cox's defense they run a decent operation, for a cable company. It was companies like Cablevision and Adelphia that gave cable a bad name. When I moved out here (from the Cablevision mammoth eastern suburbs system) in the mid 90's I got Dish and haven't looked back.

LOL, I certainly wish that had the choice to choose a different cable company OTHER THAN tw... :D

WEWS has really had some problems, especially with frame rate and out of position picture. Glad to hear they are doing something about it. :D

And you were so quick to blame TW!;)

I don't blame you. They are getting on top of my sh*t list. Them and Chase Bank.

Except that Parma is one of a few select communities in NE Ohio without TWC as a choice for cable! (if you want cable you have the choice of Cox, Cox or Cox. Life is wonderful in the Peoples Republic of Parma). We missed out on WOW thanks to the 216 area code split. The person who was mayor at the time would not agree to negotiate with Ameritech (the original builder of what is now WOW) without first agreeing to not split-up Parma into 2 different area codes. The a/c split was drawn up by an independent committee not associated with any phone company. Judging by how they drew the line, I believe they all lived in Hunting Valley (since that distant 'burb stayed in 216 while closer blue-collar 'burbs like Parma got split-up).



Not just Parma. Bainbridge and I'll bet Solon too. If you're in Windstream area you won't see AT&T so that's out, not that I would take it if I could.

Actually if I didn't have all these trees I would have Direct TV. In my cafeteria at work we have large flat screen LCD HD TV. It's Direct TV so I get to play with the remote and use the menus. I really like it alot. I like the ease of picking things by sports or entertainment or news menus.

I always liked Direct TV. Any cable company is a bad cable company, except maybe Armstrong. Maybe.

Chase bank DOES suck. I've had problems with them in the past. Plus, last December I applied for a credit card through them and they totally lost my app :rolleyes:... didn't bother re-applying.
Also, TW sucks too.

I always liked Direct TV. Any cable company is a bad cable company, except maybe Armstrong. Maybe.

I ended up switching from D* to Armstrong. Kind of like trading in an SUV for a minivan. They both can carry a lot of stuff, but you get what you pay for. I just so happen to be getting better gas mileage (i.e. lower monthly) from the minivan. But the SUV still has a better "bad4ss" factor associated with it.

There are times I do miss D*, but I just sit back and smile at all of the TW and Cox issues I read about. As far as cable companies go, Armstrong really is great.

And you were so quick to blame TW!;)

I don't blame you. They are getting on top of my sh*t list. Them and Chase Bank.

I like to think that EVERYBODY(even WEWS with all their problems) cares more about their customers/viewers than Time Warner.

I always liked Direct TV. Any cable company is a bad cable company, except maybe Armstrong. Maybe.

I had Directv a few years ago. BIGGEST mistake ever!! If they didn't have that "one year you're stuck with us" clause, I would have gone back to TW much sooner. I HATE Time Warner, but not that much.

First of all, the "rain fade" is a pain in the @$$. Several times during heavy snow the damn TV didn't work. I got to watch a pixelated mess. Also when the terrorist weatherman comes on, the TV usually goes out(you better have OTA just in case).

Now onto the UI. Maybe it was an older firmware a few years ago, but the Directv guide/UI sucked monkey balls. The Time Warner guide is 100% better(although D* did have the keyboard search that is no on Passport Echo). The guide was overall more confusing and the colors were just drab and dark, similar to Navigator.

I had Directv a few years ago. BIGGEST mistake ever!! If they didn't have that "one year you're stuck with us" clause, I would have gone back to TW much sooner. I HATE Time Warner, but not that much.

First of all, the "rain fade" is a pain in the @$$. Several times during heavy snow the damn TV didn't work. I got to watch a pixelated mess. Also when the terrorist weatherman comes on, the TV usually goes out(you better have OTA just in case).

Now onto the UI. Maybe it was an older firmware a few years ago, but the Directv guide/UI sucked monkey balls. The Time Warner guide is 100% better(although D* did have the keyboard search that is no on Passport Echo). The guide was overall more confusing and the colors were just drab and dark, similar to Navigator.


Oh no, you know nothing what D*'s guide is like now. It's really nice, easy to use and categorized.

I lived in Northern Kentucky when I had D* and I feel we got a lot more rain down there then we do here. Rain fade can be an issue but not much, matter of fact using the SA 8300 I had more problems with sound drop offs and macroblocking then I ever had with rain fade.

I liked the keyboard search too. I don't know if that's still used but the guide I use in the cafeteria is just so simple. You really need to check it out if you haven't seen it.

We have D* at work, and get rainfade during heavy thunderstorms...not all that often, really. Enough to be annoying when it happens, but not a huge deal.

Oops, gotta go back and get another...

Well, the clued-up TWC tech who finally sorted my cablecard install said the switch-over would happen by the end of the month, so I guess we still have one Tue/Wed window to go... Hmm.

We already knew this, supposedly, from a TWC suit a week or two back quoted online. They're running out of "end of the month" fast.


Probably they have hit some kind of show-stopper on the conversion.


Exactly my thought. I don't have much confidence that they'll figure this out, at least the way they think they're doing it now.


Where I think TWC have really dropped the ball is on communication. It would not be hard to have provided a web page listing each service area together with an expected conversion date, updated weekly.


You've now made two people laugh. :D

It wouldn't be such a big deal for me if A) I wasn't told repeatedly it's coming soon, and B) they didn't pepper the entire area (including ex-Adelphia sections) with billboards about it.

Oh, and C) if they weren't so secretive. :D


I'm about to spend much of the next month traveling, and it would be nice not to potentially miss shows because I wasn't around to re-do the guided setup on my Tivos.


Exactly my concern, too, aside from the fact I'm probably not traveling as much as you are. But I just wanna get that bleeping Guided Setup done and forget it.

OK, now I'm ticked at TWC for a DIFFERENT reason. :D

For whatever reason, my SA3100 (SD digital cable) box decided to shut off all by itself at 4:33 this afternoon. I know the exact time because my TiVo was dutifully recording an hour long show at 4 when the screen went to black.

I just noticed that the SA3100 had power off, and turned it back on again.

My first thought, though I considered it unlikely at that hour, is that maybe it's related to the realignment - but no, no changes, and the SA8000HD in the main viewing area, hooked to my LCD HDTV, did not turn off or change.

It would have to happen on the one night that I record a bunch of shows, which turns out to be a bunch of black screen.

Well, I just got F**KED by Time Warner!! Passport is officially dead at the nickdawg house. Right now I'm waiting for the piece of s*** to convert settings and recordings to a "new format".

OK, now I'm ticked at TWC for a DIFFERENT reason. :D

For whatever reason, my SA3100 (SD digital cable) box decided to shut off all by itself at 4:33 this afternoon. I know the exact time because my TiVo was dutifully recording an hour long show at 4 when the screen went to black.

I just noticed that the SA3100 had power off, and turned it back on again.



What the heck is your house, a museum? SA3100. SA8000. I know you got at least one TiVo Series 2 proabably have a Series 1 as well.;)

Well, I just got F**KED by Time Warner!! Passport is officially dead at the nickdawg house. Right now I'm waiting for the piece of s*** to convert settings and recordings to a "new format".

Don't worry nickdawg. TW says that Navigator is wonderful. I saw a commercial on it! It is going to bring television into the 21st Century.

And you know TW would never lie to us.:rolleyes:

I know I could ask this over in another forum but I know some of you guys are pretty smart so I thought I'd ask here.

My Sony Wega after 3 years is starting to lose a bit of picture. I know this because I can see it whenever I do a calibration, and it's very hard to tell that way but it's very obvious when I see programs that have the logos in the corner.

For example I use to be able to see the entire "eye" on the CBS logo. Now I piece of it is missing.

FOX HD I've only seen their logo completely when I first got my set. Now I see about 7/8 of the logo. Maybe less. So I think the picture is "shriniking" and the black area is expanding.

There are no adjustment for this. verticle and angle I can do, up and sideways no.

So I'm thinking about using my economic stimulus money to purchase a 32" LCD to replace it. Darn thing is a CRT and wheighs 200 pounds.

I see that some tv's it says "response time 6 mms" and some "8mms". I assume less is better but what is "mms"?

And do you agree that the Sony Wega may be losing it's picture?

Hook-

I've got a 4:3 Wega, and I have a bit of the same issue (although mine is 5 or 6 years old now). I was able to overcome some of the overscan through certain service menu adjustments. You might want to do a Google search with your particular model number to see if there is anything that can help in that arena.

By the way, "mms" is miliseconds.

Hook-

I've got a 4:3 Wega, and I have a bit of the same issue (although mine is 5 or 6 years old now). I was able to overcome some of the overscan through certain service menu adjustments. You might want to do a Google search with your particular model number to see if there is anything that can help in that arena.

By the way, "mms" is miliseconds.

I'll look but I'm pretty familiar with the menu and what it will do. Thanks for the suggestion. And the answer

Don't worry nickdawg. TW says that Navigator is wonderful. I saw a commercial on it! It is going to bring television into the 21st Century.

And you know TW would never lie to us.:rolleyes:

They did ONE thing right, the hideous grey sidebars are gone!! :D:D The new OS has black sidebars on every channel(like it should be).

Unfortunately that is the only thing they did right. My DVR shows are gone!! Not just the shows are gone, but the whole DVR is gone. The DVR functions(FF, pause, record) do not work and the list does not show up. Last night I had a DVR. This morning I have an overpriced digital cable box. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I know I could ask this over in another forum but I know some of you guys are pretty smart so I thought I'd ask here.

My Sony Wega after 3 years is starting to lose a bit of picture. I know this because I can see it whenever I do a calibration, and it's very hard to tell that way but it's very obvious when I see programs that have the logos in the corner.

For example I use to be able to see the entire "eye" on the CBS logo. Now I piece of it is missing.

FOX HD I've only seen their logo completely when I first got my set. Now I see about 7/8 of the logo. Maybe less. So I think the picture is "shriniking" and the black area is expanding.

There are no adjustment for this. verticle and angle I can do, up and sideways no.

So I'm thinking about using my economic stimulus money to purchase a 32" LCD to replace it. Darn thing is a CRT and wheighs 200 pounds.

I see that some tv's it says "response time 6 mms" and some "8mms". I assume less is better but what is "mms"?

And do you agree that the Sony Wega may be losing it's picture?

Cart is correct, and yes the lower the number the better (faster). Historically, large panel LCD's (greater than 40") had major issues with this speed rating, as well as refresh rate, which caused a "swoosh mark" affect on fast moving objects (like baseballs and race cars). This will not be a major issue on a 32" screen.

The newer LCD's have largely overcome these issues (as well as improved contrast ratio, color saturation, etc..) where the plasmas have done better in these specs in the past. In many cases the larger panel LCD's have far surpassed the plasmas with these specs. So much so that plasmas are not expected to even be manufactured beyond a few more years.

Like anything: shop, compare, buy a quality name brand, compare specs. There are numerous online "LCD panel buying guides" that will help you a great deal. Just do your research and buy quality! I have a friend who bought a 46" Westinghouse 1080p LCD set recently for around $1,100 and the PQ is horrendous! My 2+ year old 720p plasma has a far better PQ than his 1080p, but I did my research and bought quality, he went solely on price. :(

Our 8300HD's were Navigator'd in New Phila last night to Nickdawg, but my DVR is fully functional, only conversion messup I saw was that my Law & Order series was changed to Law & Order:SVU.

Anyone know where to find version number of Navigator? I will have to go to another thread and poke around.

3 reboots later... nothing...

Looks like my shows/DVR have been nuked to hell. Maybe they can say HI to Mr. Fry, I believe he has a home down there :rolleyes:

I'm getting closer to considering tivo.

We woke up today to Navigator, here in New Phila. So far I actually like it. I have an 8300HD. It's very responsive, to commands and I like a couple features I saw like conflict resolution, and it displays the % of space used on the dvr. I only played with it for about 10 minutes, so I haven't explored everything, but I liked the search feature. All my recordings made it through along with the series manager and scheduled programs. Now if it doesn't do crazy things like rebooting and locking up, I think I'll get along with it.

I see that some tv's it says "response time 6 mms" and some "8mms". I assume less is better but what is "mms"?

Who's listing the response time as "mms"? It sounds like a typo since they should be listed as "ms" as ZManCartFan said, means milliseconds.

What the heck is your house, a museum? SA3100. SA8000. I know you got at least one TiVo Series 2 proabably have a Series 1 as well.;)

Heh!

I do have an S2, but no S1. TiVo had already jettisoned the S1s when I bought the S2 in 2003.

The SA3100 is the same box they installed in late 2003 as well. I just haven't bothered to update it, since it's a standard digital cable SD box.

If I thought an update to a newer box would fix the flakiness, I'd do it.


Unfortunately that is the only thing they did right. My DVR shows are gone!! Not just the shows are gone, but the whole DVR is gone. The DVR functions(FF, pause, record) do not work and the list does not show up. Last night I had a DVR. This morning I have an overpriced digital cable box. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

You gotta go sit in the TWC Akron office and take a cue from hookbill. Demand answers. Get thrown out. Etc...

It looks like they are treating the New Philly folks as an extension of Canton now. We still don't have Navigator, new lineup or anything in my old Adelphia world, and New Philly was ex-Adelphia, right? They got stuff around the same time Canton (legacy) did...

Heh!

You gotta go sit in the TWC Akron office and take a cue from hookbill. Demand answers. Get thrown out. Etc...


That was a while back so many people probably don't know. And let's clarify.

I went in to get a SA 8300 and turn in my SA 8000. They didn't have any after Customer Service said they were available. That was the second time something like that happened to me.

So I got kind of hot and used the GD words a couple of times. That's when the lady said that if I didn't calm down she would call the cops. While that was going on some jerk decided to stick his nose into my business and told me to watch my language (the GD thing). I turned around and told him it would be in his best interest to stay out of my business....more or less.

Anyway I got the SA 8300 the next day and the rest is history. The problems, partial programs, missed recordings, etc.

I was probably better off with the SA 8000.:)

Nobody was thrown out. No cops were called. No punches were thrown.

This was at the Twinsburg office.

This was at the Twinsburg office.


I used to live out that way and went to the Adelphia/Twinsburg office a number of times. The desk people were friendly, efficient, and competent--a complete contrast to the Cleveland Heights office. The dialup TWC customer service people are useless, misleading, and often unwilling to admit when they don't know what's causing a problem or how to fix something.

BTW, the desk people at the TWC Lakeside office in downtown Cleveland have been unfailingly helpful and friendly to deal with, given the limitations of their company--e.g., lack of equipment availability.

Nobody was thrown out. No cops were called. No punches were thrown.

This was at the Twinsburg office.

Well, you were a lot closer to being thrown out than I've ever been at a cable company office. :D

If our poster here has a non-working DVR after today, he should go in and demand a fix. Squeaky wheel and all that. It's clear that whatever's left in the Navigator conversion isn't going to fix his box getting screwed up.

The New Philly thing is bothering me. Weren't they on the same underlying equipment as we were, due to being an old Adelphia system?

That would tend to work against some sort of inherent Adelphia-old-system related problem causing the delays in changes to the Cleveland-based system.

I come home... and got zapped to Navigator on my SA8300HD!! I am in Louisville near Canton. My worst nightmare has come try. I just screamed when I saw it and my wife asked what was wrong... I told her she wouldnt understand... its kind of like losing your best friend!! I cant wait to try out all the innovative new feature on this POS!!

In the former Adelphia area if you do a QAM search you will see several new channels including History HD. The other are new spanish channels and Sprout.

A guy just came to my house selling AT&T U-Verse (yep, door-to-door sales in 2008). I told him I probably already would have switched from TW except that two of our favorite channels aren't available on U-Verse: WVIZ-HD and STO-HD.

The salesman's claim was that they already have STO-HD and that TW is going to drop it very soon. He claims to have heard this from another TW customer as well as from his AT&T bosses.

I confess to some skepticism. The U-Verse channel lineup does NOT list STO-HD at all.

Is there anyone here who can substantiate the rumor? TW dropping STO?

U-Verse does not currently offer STO-HD, which makes me doubt everything else this person said...

TW dropping STO-HD??? I'd think I'd lay dow $100 bucks to bet that is NOT true :rolleyes:.

That was a while back so many people probably don't know. And let's clarify.

I went in to get a SA 8300 and turn in my SA 8000. They didn't have any after Customer Service said they were available. That was the second time something like that happened to me.

So I got kind of hot and used the GD words a couple of times. That's when the lady said that if I didn't calm down she would call the cops. While that was going on some jerk decided to stick his nose into my business and told me to watch my language (the GD thing). I turned around and told him it would be in his best interest to stay out of my business....more or less.

Anyway I got the SA 8300 the next day and the rest is history. The problems, partial programs, missed recordings, etc.

I was probably better off with the SA 8000.:)

Nobody was thrown out. No cops were called. No punches were thrown.

This was at the Twinsburg office.

Hook, That makes me laugh so hard. I was just in that office yesterday. I had to wait in the parking lot until 2:07 pm, because the service rep is at lunch from 1:00-2:00. Oh, I'm sorry 1:00-2:07. Anyway, I wanted to exchange my 8300 HDC because everytime I power it off, it reverts to 480i. (using HDMI). The loud mouth woman at the counter told me that she would not exchange the box. She stated, " they only gaurenteed the box to work at 480i, and that I did not understand how to setup the boc properly." It was at this point that I informed her this POS box was not working correctly. Needless to say, she threatened to call the police. HAH!!!!! I am the police. Anyway, she gave me a new box, and I left.

I feel that it is important to mention that at no time did I raise my voice or use any profanity. After she advised me that I had "no clue" how to properly setup the box, I did become a bit agitated.

On another note, things still have not been updated here in Twinsburg, and my crap 8300 HDC still reverts to 480i on power off. Funny, my old box (2 boxes ago) did not do this, and I have not changed anything.

Got Navigatored here today as well. I got home, turned the box on and it started doing it's "transferring settings and recordings" thing. It took forever. It rebooted numerious times, and I went out for dinner, the damn thing was still transferring. So I thought something was wrong and reached for the phone. TW's telephone number must be stuffed! It was busy every time I called.

The box eventually finished whatever and I am now watching T.V. again, through navigator. It actually is not too bad on the 8300 HD. I will bring up any problems I have with it.

Does anybody know if navigator supports the 16x9 guide and graphics?
So far everything is still in 4x3.

orange5814,
Are you serious :D?
You're a cop?... and when she threated to call the police, did you whip out your badge?
You know that $100 I was gonna lay down on that bet a few posts ago? I think I'd rather pay that money just to see the look on her face :D:D:D.

Does anybody know if navigator supports the 16x9 guide and graphics?
So far everything is still in 4x3.

I also got Navigatored here today. Everything is intact (no recordings lost etc.) but I also can't figure out how to get 16x9 guide/osd. It seems like the display and aspect settings are specific to just video.

orange5814,
Are you serious :D?
You're a cop?... and when she threated to call the police, did you whip out your badge?
You know that $100 I was gonna lay down on that bet a few posts ago? I think I'd rather pay that money just to see the look on her face :D:D:D.


Honest to goodness. That is a true story. I've been a cop since 2000. I did not show her my badge, but I did tell her to , "call 'em and see what happens." I don't like to lose my cool, but she was a royal PITA.

I also got Navigatored here today. Everything is intact (no recordings lost etc.) but I also can't figure out how to get 16x9 guide/osd. It seems like the display and aspect settings are specific to just video.

Yeah, I saw those settings as well. They do not apply to the OSD/Guide. I would have sworn that somebody told me that the Nav. software is capable of doing 16x9...

TW dropping STO-HD??? I'd think I'd lay dow $100 bucks to bet that is NOT true :rolleyes:.

Let's see here...TWC has even deployed the 24/7 STO HD channel on the old 798 (ex-Adelphia) BEFORE the lineup change (whenever the heck that'll ever happen).

Oh, and TWC is STO's primary television partner.

Sounds like a bunchacrap out of the AT&T guy.

Can we find anyone to take our bets on this one? Easy money!

:D

In the former Adelphia area if you do a QAM search you will see several new channels including History HD. The other are new spanish channels and Sprout.

Time to take my USB tuner downstairs...

The salesman's claim was that they already have STO-HD and that TW is going to drop it very soon.

I wouldn't put any money on that.

Also, I'm hearing another train... could it be digital realignment for Cleveland tonight? ;)

Here we go again. The term "cry wolf" comes to mind... just kidding ;):D.

My main 8300hd got zapped with navigator last night. It goes into a constant reboot loop and appears fried. We called TWC after work and the earliest they can get anyone out is May 9. The worst part is the I have an external hard drive with probably 60 hours recorded and it will all be lost if they replace the cable box.

The non-hd box in the den was updated several weeks ago and it sucks. Just one example. When going through a recorded program there is no easy time indicator to go to an exact spot in the recording and when trying to speed through a recording you can no longer hit the right or left arrow to zip 15 minutes at a time. You just have to go at 2 or 3 times fast forward or reverse to slowly go to a spot. It can take minutes to find the right spot.

I feel that it is important to mention that at no time did I raise my voice or use any profanity. After she advised me that I had "no clue" how to properly setup the box, I did become a bit agitated.

On another note, things still have not been updated here in Twinsburg, and my crap 8300 HDC still reverts to 480i on power off. Funny, my old box (2 boxes ago) did not do this, and I have not changed anything.


There was a trick I had to pull one time when I had that problem. Let me ask you this. Have you got anything hooked up to your TV besides the SA8300? Like maybe a S video cable?

I found out that I had to set the program on that to "pass through" on that video hook up and once I did that it stopped reverting to 480i.

Let's see here...TWC has even deployed the 24/7 STO HD channel on the old 798 (ex-Adelphia) BEFORE the lineup change (whenever the heck that'll ever happen).

Oh, and TWC is STO's primary television partner.

Sounds like a bunchacrap out of the AT&T guy.

Can we find anyone to take our bets on this one? Easy money!

:D

Yep, my first thought after reading that. Boy, what sales people won't do to make a sale.

My main 8300hd got zapped with navigator last night. It goes into a constant reboot loop and appears fried. We called TWC after work and the earliest they can get anyone out is May 9. The worst part is the I have an external hard drive with probably 60 hours recorded and it will all be lost if they replace the cable box.

The non-hd box in the den was updated several weeks ago and it sucks. Just one example. When going through a recorded program there is no easy time indicator to go to an exact spot in the recording and when trying to speed through a recording you can no longer hit the right or left arrow to zip 15 minutes at a time. You just have to go at 2 or 3 times fast forward or reverse to slowly go to a spot. It can take minutes to find the right spot.

Geeze, doesn't sound like this whole navigator thing is working out quite the way TW wanted it to. I'm absolutely shocked! And I was just beginning to think that maybe I made a mistake by purchasing two TiVo's when I could enjoy the benefits of this fine Navigator that they talked about in the commercial.:eek:

There was a trick I had to pull one time when I had that problem. Let me ask you this. Have you got anything hooked up to your TV besides the SA8300? Like maybe a S video cable?

I found out that I had to set the program on that to "pass through" on that video hook up and once I did that it stopped reverting to 480i.

My 8300 runs to an Onkyo 805 and then to a Panny Plasma. All via HDMI. When I turn off the 8300 or switch inputs on the Onkyo, the output reverts to 480i. This never used to happen. I will give the pass through setting a try though. What is really odd is that my first 8300HDC and my 8300HD before that were hooked up in the same manner, and everything worked great.

I went though the whole HD setup wizard, saved my settings, and it still reverts to 480i. I will give pass through a try and see what happens. Thanks.

Also, I'm hearing another train... could it be digital realignment for Cleveland tonight? ;)

CK, you know we like ya here...but if that train doesn't come through, we're putting you on the tracks next Tuesday night. :D

I did take my USB DT/QAM tuner stick downstairs, and I don't see labels for anything except the OTA channels. So, unless someone tells me a QAM channel for HistoryHD...etc...

It did scan in a boatload more QAM channels than I seem to remember from last time (many of them encrypted, of course). And I did, through random QAM channel hopping, find Sprout - which I'm pretty sure isn't in the previous TWC/ex-Adelphia lineup anywhere.

We'll see...

Guys, I might be ready to pull the trigger on purchasing the Samsung LN32A550 LCD 32" TiVo. The 3 year protection plan is 149.00 bucks. Do you think I should get the protection plan?

I did take my USB DT/QAM tuner stick downstairs, and I don't see labels for anything except the OTA channels. So, unless someone tells me a QAM channel for HistoryHD...etc...

Which USB stick do you have? I recently purchased a KWorld Plus-TV (only $50) and it seems to work well for the price. Trying to get it to play nice with TS-Reader though, and not having a lot of success.

81 Digital and 77 Analog in Univ Hts. Sprout is on 81-4. 81-5 is Reelz. Couldn't find History HD yet. Sprout and Reelz are 480I.

Well, I'm glad to hear these other problems with navigator. I pulled up the diagnostic screen and found the problem-an error code. Under connections and tiers it says
"DVR Mode: 10(Disabled)" I don't know why the hell it would think the DVR is not enabled, it was last night. I'm really hoping this is a software issue that can be solved by one call, not a hardware issue. There's no way I'm getting another HDC box. I cancel and go OTA before I get another one of those POS.

mr bill you are the man!!! Someone needs to cut those snotty bitches at their office down a notch. I once had one with an attitude slamming equipment around and acting rude.

81 Digital and 77 Analog in Univ Hts. Sprout is on 81-4. 81-5 is Reelz. Couldn't find History HD yet. Sprout and Reelz are 480I.

Those are the two I found as well. I believe they are 480i in general (no HD versions).

Which USB stick do you have? I recently purchased a KWorld Plus-TV (only $50) and it seems to work well for the price. Trying to get it to play nice with TS-Reader though, and not having a lot of success.

I have the common Pinnacle one that's in all the BB stores. I only got it since it was basically free for me after a flurry of BB giftcards at Christmas. :D

It's not that bad...it has its quirks, and the QAM support is in beta. They are also coming out with a next generation of them that supposedly has the LG 5th Gen tuner in it.

Since I have a faster laptop than the one I'd mentioned here, it has no problems with speed.

If I were buying it with my own money somewhere other than BB, I have always looked at the OnAirGT as an option. I had the Fusion5USB HDTV, but it died on me - for the second time, but out of warranty, this time.

Guys, I might be ready to pull the trigger on purchasing the Samsung LN32A550 LCD 32" TiVo. The 3 year protection plan is 149.00 bucks. Do you think I should get the protection plan?

;) When everything you buy becomes a TiVo, it's time to lay off the Kool-Aid.

Personally I think protection plans are a waste of money. I've heard cases where you can ask for a deal on the protection plan which they'll actually drop the cost of the product over reducing the protection plan. Then you can return/cancel the protection plan and keep the savings on the product.

Consumer Reports: Why you don't need an extended warranty (http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/money/news/november-2006/why-you-dont-need-an-extended-warranty-11-06/overview/extended-warranty-11-06.htm?resultPageIndex=1&resultIndex=1&searchTerm=extended%20warranty)

Woke up today to a channel realignment. I am in Mayfield Heights. It has the "new" HD channels (HGTV, History, etc) but I can't view them. Are these an additional fee or does TWC need to reset my box or something?

Guys, I might be ready to pull the trigger on purchasing the Samsung LN32A550 LCD 32" TiVo. The 3 year protection plan is 149.00 bucks. Do you think I should get the protection plan?

Personally, I would save the money. Just be sure to inspect the entire TV and check every input before your 30 day return window is up. Plus, I'm sure it comes with a standard manufacturer warranty.

Well we finally got the digital realignment last night.

AEHD and HistoryHD are a blank screen. HGTVHD had on infomericials this morning(so its working). I have Lifeline plus the HD package. I thought I would get the new HD channels since I have received all the HD channels in the past.(except the premium HD channels of course)

Good to here some are seeing the same thing then. Hope they get it worked out soon.

Truescostman

Has anyone in the Mayfield Heights area found that when tuning into Fox HD via ATSC decoder that 8.001 is bringing up WJW HD?

;) When everything you buy becomes a TiVo, it's time to lay off the Kool-Aid.

Personally I think protection plans are a waste of money. I've heard cases where you can ask for a deal on the protection plan which they'll actually drop the cost of the product over reducing the protection plan. Then you can return/cancel the protection plan and keep the savings on the product.

Heh heh heh. About an hour before I wrote that I took a prescription sleep aid. That's my excuse but I've caught myself doing that previously and changed it to TV.

At this point I've removed the protection plan. I still havn't pulled the trigger on it. Here's the situation:


1. The Wega is not malfunctioning, it still gives a great picture and I'm not certain that my complain about seeing only part of the X on the FOX logal is legitimate enough to purchase a new TV Only a little piece of the eye on the CBS logo is cut off. And in calibration it just barely passes. I can only see part of the number but I can see it.

2. What the heck do I do with it? I can't throw it out, it's still too good to toss. And who the heck would purchase a non digital (remember it's "HD Ready") television. I don't think the tuner is digital And it weighs 200 lbs!

If any of you guys want it I'll give it too you. PM me. We'll make arrangements for a pick up. Inundated, this has gotta be an offer you can't refuse.;)

edit: This offer may be subject to change if I decide not to purchase. Still if you're interested, let me know. :)

Maybe you have a relative you'd like to give it to. All you have to do is pick it up. I'll help carry to your SUV or truck. If you bring a car, forget it. I live in Bainbridge real close to Geauga Lake.

3. The real reason I want to do the conversion is ultimately now that they have solved the blu-ray vs HDTV DVD thing I'm also interested in purchasing a Blu-Ray DVD player. The Samsung LN32A550 is 1080p so it would give everything I would need. Also I'd be able to dust and clean in that back area I can't reach.

So there you have it. Any takers please let me know.

Almost May and still no digital realignment for Amherst, OH. Unbelievable how poor TW is. The sad thing is I am excited just to get a few more HD channels when they should be offering much more.

Got the channel realignment in Copley overnite. For sure this time. DVR functions havent returned to my 8300HD yet though.

It's all over the business pages that Time Warner plans to spin off their TWC division.

I live in Northfield, an ex-adelphia area and found out this morning that my HD8300 was updated overnight. All my recordings are gone and my DVR is not working. I notice others have had the same problem. Were any of you able to get your recordings back or get the DVR function working on your own or with a call to TW? I have a feeling this may turn in to a huge headache.:mad:

The lineup is in here in ex-Adelphia land in western Summit County. I haven't checked for any missing channels yet...

And hookbill? I HAVE an HD set now. :D But thanks for your generous offer.

Almost May and still no digital realignment for Amherst, OH. Unbelievable how poor TW is. The sad thing is I am excited just to get a few more HD channels when they should be offering much more.

I agree 100% !!!

Guys, I might be ready to pull the trigger on purchasing the Samsung LN32A550 LCD 32" TiVo. The 3 year protection plan is 149.00 bucks. Do you think I should get the protection plan?

Hook,
Forget the protection plan and use that money to upgrade to the Series 6 version of that model: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00141AYR8?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Higher contrast ratio and quicker response time.

It's all over the business pages that Time Warner plans to spin off their TWC division.

I wonder what this means for TWC. I wonder if Adelphia will buy TWC :p and then develope new innovative software for their cable boxes and do channel realignments :D

I wonder what this means for TWC. I wonder if Adelphia will buy TWC :p and then develope new innovative software for their cable boxes and do channel realignments :D

Given that "Adelphia" is now a skeleton crew dealing with their remaining bankruptcy issues and has no corporate assets, and given the fact that a number of Adelphia executives are in Federal prisons, I am not holding my breath for this...

No Navigator update for either of my boxes...but the lineup is in both.

I can't get CNN International - it puts up a "call" message. And WBNX-HD is in the lineup, but didn't have any signal when I checked right before I left home at 9:30 or so.

They moved Hallmark from 121 to channel 60. This is real interesting to me because my TiVo recognized the channel even though it had no guide data.

Usually when this happens TiVo will pick up the channel but no know what the channel is. They will probably add guide data soon.

Edit: I just looked at zap2it.com, they have data on both 121 and 60 for hallmark however there was nothing on 121 this morning.

Usually when this happens TiVo will pick up the channel but no know what the channel is. They will probably add guide data soon.

I have stuff recording on Hallmark, but not today. A recording on GSN happened with no problems at 1 PM on the changed 219.

Did you run Guided Setup this morning? I did, and though I had to do it remotely after going to work, it worked...not without one hiccup, though.

When I first bought the TiVo, I was living in ZIP code 44321, and for whatever reason, I decided to change that to my current ZIP code.

Bad news, because unlike Zap2It, the TiVo guide only shows one TWC system for the ZIP code - the legacy Akron TWC system. It doesn't show the Cleveland-based system.

Changing back to 44321 fixed it, but not before I had to go do a dance with "does your system have X on this channel" a few times. I also had to reenter my wireless networking information, complete with WPA password.

So anyone taking bets on Navigator this evening... "End of the month" here we come :)

Got the new lineup here in Lyndhurst, but no Navigator yet.

The HD channels for A&E, HGTV, Food, and History all say call to subscribe. Are they being added to the HD tier only?

If I remember my quick jaunt through the HD channels before I left home, A&E, HGTV and Food HD were all there on my box...I don't recall finding/viewing History HD.

On the SD side, CNN International and Biography both have "call to subscribe" messages... though I should get them as a Digital Basic subscriber (and get everything else in red on the channel lineup PDF).

I only have the Slingbox on the TiVo S2, so I can't check the HD stuff until tonight.

Oh, I do have the tier, but those four channels are not in the HD Tier color on the channel lineup. I believe they're supposed to be included with the basic HD stuff.

Got the new lineup here in Lyndhurst, but no Navigator yet.

The HD channels for A&E, HGTV, Food, and History all say call to subscribe. Are they being added to the HD tier only?

They're supposed to be free. From http://www.timewarnercable.com/NortheastOhio/programming/Legal_notices2.html

added to FREE HD – A&E HD, Food Network HD, HGTV HD and History HD

Thanks paulmike3. I thought so, but I could not remember where I read it.

I'll give it a few days and see if it straightens itself out.

Thanks paulmike3. I thought so, but I could not remember where I read it.

I'll give it a few days and see if it straightens itself out.

No prob... Didn't get a chance this morning to check if we got the realignment (Mayfield Hts). Hopefully it's not screwed up too bad.

CK, you know we like ya here...but if that train doesn't come through, we're putting you on the tracks next Tuesday night. :D


So it looks like I've been spared from the railroad tracks, hmm? :D

Well, the train hasn't come thru the Elyria/Mentor (former Comcast)
area yet. Maybe I should throw myself on the tracks. Are we last on the list? I'm really tired of waiting. Any word on when?

Go Cavs,
Ben Music

So it looks like I've been spared from the railroad tracks, hmm? :D

Yeah and moving a channel from a digital spot to an analog spot doesn't quite convince me that much is going on in my area. It does appear that some things are moving but very, very slowly.

Well, the train hasn't come thru the Elyria/Mentor (former Comcast)
area yet. Maybe I should throw myself on the tracks. Are we last on the list? I'm really tired of waiting. Any word on when?

Go Cavs,
Ben Music

I believe yours is a hybrid area where both Moto and SA boxes exist on the same plant. This likely has to be done in phases, once for each of the different models as they would be controlled by different systems. At least it's only two systems; I can remember when there was GI, Motorola and two entirely different types of Zenith boxes in the area. And GI had a dizzying array of model numbers. The situation is better nowadays.

Hang in there... it shouldn't be long. Listening to the rails again...

Twinsburg is still a "legacy" system as of this evening. Let's see maybe navigator and the new channel alignment by AM. Yeah, we'll see. I would have better luck betting on the Cavs.

New line up in Shaker (44120) last night too. My SA3250HD was happy from the off, has everything where it should be, but CNNI and CNBC World are likewise showing as not in my package when all the literature says they should. My TiVo Series3 with M cablecard initially showed a blank screen for all channels. Neither my S2 nor S3 gave an option for "digital rebuild" during guided setup, going through it seemed to pick up the correct channel listing anyway.

After guided setup on the S3, what channels were displayed for the channel number seemed to be messed up, and some just gave a blank screen. So I did a restart of the box. After the restart I got an "acquiring channels" message, and then a firmware upgrade to the cablecard for a nail-biting 20 mins, followed by a worrying "cannot find any channels for live TV", but after all that all my channels seem to be present and correct.

Also did a channel scan on my QAM-capable DVD recorder, it's giving me 78 analog and 98 digital, which is definitely a lot more digital, but I'll need to find time to pick through them to see which are new clear vs encrypted.

Got there eventually !

Wbnx-hd In Univ Hts On Qam Tuner 102-1..new Channel

All the HD channels are in, including the four new ones (HistoryHD included), and WBNX-HD is now present.

Still getting the "subscribe" message on CNNInternational and Biography.

So it looks like I've been spared from the railroad tracks, hmm? :D

Lucky you! :D Though the Comcast folks may be next...

I can't wait for everyone else to get "navigatored".

I can't wait for everyone else to get "navigatored".

One of the guys over on the AVS TiVo thread refers to it as the "Crapagator.":)

All the HD channels are in, including the four new ones (HistoryHD included), and WBNX-HD is now present.

Still getting the "subscribe" message on CNNInternational and Biography.

How are you seeing this? Via Qam? My HD channels are still in the 700's and my music channels are still in the 400's.

How are you seeing this? Via Qam? My HD channels are still in the 700's and my music channels are still in the 400's.

Oh, you don't have the new lineup?

Seriously.

Sagamore Hills still has the old lineup. I'm betting we're going to be the last & it's still going to take another month. I really hate TWC.

Got the new lineup in Columbia Station. Can someone tell me how to get into the diagnostic menus of the SA8300HD DVR so I can check things out?

Thanks.

New lineup here in North Olmsted yesterday. All new HD channels coming in fine.

Got the new lineup in Columbia Station. Can someone tell me how to get into the diagnostic menus of the SA8300HD DVR so I can check things out?

Thanks.
Hold the pause on the remote until the DVR starts flashing. Then use +- button in upper right corner of the remote to view the different screens.

Twinsburg still has the old lineup. TWC sucks. Plain and simple. I wish at my job, when I said April it was OK if it meant May, or who knows, June.

There is no accountablility. I guess I will just vote with my wallet. I am moving to my new house (only 1 mile away) in 3 weeks and was going to keep TWC, but maybe D* isn't such a bad idea.

Twinsburg still has the old lineup. TWC sucks. Plain and simple. I wish at my job, when I said April it was OK if it meant May, or who knows, June.

There is no accountablility. I guess I will just vote with my wallet. I am moving to my new house (only 1 mile away) in 3 weeks and was going to keep TWC, but maybe D* isn't such a bad idea.

Yes, TWC does suck. I just bought a house a couple miles away from where I live and I will be going to D* as soon as I move in in July. Can't wait to get rid of TWC and their rediculous handful of HD channels and garbage internet service that cuts out every hour for 5-10 minutes. :mad:

On a side note, we just got the realignment in Mayfield Hts. All the new HD channels come in with the exception of FSOHD. Anyone else just have a black screen? The channel guide has program info.

Are you all seeing the new HD channels through the box or the QAM tuner in the TV?

Can't wait to get rid of TWC and their rediculous handful of HD channels and garbage internet service that cuts out every hour for 5-10 minutes. :mad:

Does any one else have this problem? I thought it was my three year old wireless router. Seems like every day I have to go upstairs and unplug the modem & router and restart. Is this really the TWC connection? Even more fuel for my fire.

Oh, you don't have the new lineup?

Seriously.

No. I don't have the new lineup.

Are you all seeing the new HD channels through the box or the QAM tuner in the TV?

Through the box.

Does any one else have this problem? I thought it was my three year old wireless router. Seems like every day I have to go upstairs and unplug the modem & router and restart. Is this really the TWC connection? Even more fuel for my fire.

It's not my router, and it's not the modem (had it swapped out). It *could* be the wiring at my apartment bldg, but they supposedly checked it. Once they checked it, it stopped for about a week. Now it's been on and off - some days are good, others it's unusable.

Edit - When the problem occurs, the modem cable light is lit, but the receive light is off. The transmit light blinks a bit, but it's clear that there is no transmission going on.

I get the feeling SDV is not too far down the road. While playing around with the Navigator diagnostics screens, I noticed several items about SDV. It said SDV was not enabled, but Navigator is the firmware that supports SDV. Once these lineup changes are done and the rest of the boxes are "Navigatored":(, SDV might not be far off.:D

Interesting. And not great news for me. In a sense.

Basically I only use broadcast networks for my HD recordings. The ones that are still in analog I watch are FX, USA. I do record TNT HD in the summer.

I know that not all channels will go to SDV and I'm sure that the broadcast HD channels won't. But TNT might.

Thanks Nickdawg, I know I can always count on you with "good news.":p:rolleyes:

Edit - When the problem occurs, the modem cable light is lit, but the receive light is off. The transmit light blinks a bit, but it's clear that there is no transmission going on.

Same here. It's really annoying. Where I live I don't have an alternative. My telco is Windstream and their options are slower than cable. I don't want to downgrade.

Does any one else have this problem? I thought it was my three year old wireless router. Seems like every day I have to go upstairs and unplug the modem & router and restart. Is this really the TWC connection? Even more fuel for my fire.

I don't have this issue in Twinsburg. Internet hasn't gone out for a very long time. I download huge files all the time every day and if the internet does go out, it times out. That rarely happens and I honestly can't recall when the last time it did. Sounds like something in your specific building or block.

Does any one else have this problem? I thought it was my three year old wireless router. Seems like every day I have to go upstairs and unplug the modem & router and restart. Is this really the TWC connection? Even more fuel for my fire.

No issues for me from TWC internet. I've had to reboot the modem and router maybe twice in 2 years.

It is so frickin funny how when we were on Adelphia everybody complained how Adelphia sucked and you couldn't wait for the savior TWC. Now that they are here everyone is saying how TWC sucks. Too funny!:rolleyes:

Looks like you ATT UVerse people may be getting 2 HD streams soon ... rolling it out in St. Louis ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13771923#post13771923

From Multi Channel News........ (http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6556085.html?desc=topstory)

It's official: Time Warner Cable will be spun off from the parent company, Time Warner Inc. CEO Jeff Bewkes announced on Wednesday, although he said the details of the spinoff have yet to be determined.

“We’ve decided that a complete structural separation of Time Warner Cable, under the right circumstances, is in the best interests of both companies’ shareholders," Bewkes said, in a statement. "We’re working hard on an agreement with Time Warner Cable, which we expect to finalize soon. At the same time, we’ll continue to pursue the rest of our aggressive agenda that we believe will deliver increasing value to our shareholders.”

Does any one else have this problem? I thought it was my three year old wireless router. Seems like every day I have to go upstairs and unplug the modem & router and restart. Is this really the TWC connection? Even more fuel for my fire.

- Depending on the modem, unplugging it may not re-set it. If the modem has a battery, unplugging it will do nothing. Try pressing and holding the re-set button.

- Are you sure the problem is not your wireless connection with your router? Are wired devices also losing internet connection?

- DHCP working properly?

This routine usually clears up connection issues (if it is not a signal problem from your ISP):

1. Disconnect any/all devices from router (wired and wireless)
2. Unplug router power cord, leave unplugged
3. Press and hold (10 seconds) RE-SET on you cable modem
4. Wait till cable modem COMPLETELY recycles itself
5. Plug router power cord back in
6. Wait till router COMPLETELY recycles itself
7. Re-connect all devices (wired and wireless)

On a side note, we just got the realignment in Mayfield Hts. All the new HD channels come in with the exception of FSOHD. Anyone else just have a black screen? The channel guide has program info.

There is no such thing as "FSN Ohio HD" 24/7, unlike the recently changed SportsTime Ohio HD.

FSN doesn't send upconverted SD programming on this channel, so it'll be blank unless the Cavaliers or Blue Jackets have an HD game. (And since the Cavaliers HD games are being handled by the national networks, and since the Blue Jackets are also over for this season, that'll be roughly October. :D)

Oh, wait, there are some national FSN HD games, like some college football in the fall...

No. I don't have the new lineup.

I didn't realize that.

I guess the ex-Adelphia systems out of Macedonia weren't converted!

No problems in Columbia Station with TWC internet. I've rebooted my modem maybe 2 times in 5 years.

There is no such thing as "FSN Ohio HD" 24/7, unlike the recently changed SportsTime Ohio HD.

That's what I figured, but I find it weird that there's program info for the whole day on the new HD channel (unlike the old channel 798 where it just said "No Info" in the guide), just no picture or sound.

I guess it will just be another channel to skip over on the list. There's like 4 HD Showcase channels and a couple others not in use. Strange.

Has the TWC channel reorg caused any changes in the QAM lineup for the Canton area ? I haven't noticed any new channels or channel numbers.

Has the TWC channel reorg caused any changes in the QAM lineup for the Canton area ? I haven't noticed any new channels or channel numbers.

Do you have WBNX-HD? I'm in the Canton/N.Canton area nad have had different new HD channels off and on over the last couple months, but they're here fore one day then gone the next. I thought we were set a few weeks ago when WB-HD came in for 2 days and then it was gone. Still waiting here for things to settle I guess.
I've been wondering if something was wrong with my line, since others in Canton had reported getting WB-HD. How 'bout u?

When the problem occurs, the modem cable light is lit, but the receive light is off. The transmit light blinks a bit, but it's clear that there is no transmission going on.

If the receive light is off, you've lost block sync. This is usually an RF issue, due to either low levels, high levels or interference from another device.

If it's a Motorola modem, wait till it comes online, then go to 192.168.100.1 and look at the Signal page. Your receive signal (downstream, shown at the top of the page if I recall) should be between +15 to -15dbmv. That's the SCTE spec. If it's out of that range, you've got RF issues. It could be as simple as a loose fitting, squirrel damage on the outdoor drop, etc.

If you're living in an apartment building, it's also possible that someone might have been tampering with the wiring in the distribution box.

Either way, if you've got a signal that's out of whack, call them and tell them what you found from the modem's diag pages. They'll come out and fix it.

I didn't realize that.

I guess the ex-Adelphia systems out of Macedonia weren't converted!

We are no longer out of Macedonia. We are out of Concord now.

Well the train came through Solon sometime since Monday (I just flew back from Atlanta and my wife is still out of town until tomorrow, so I don't know exactly when the whistle blew...) I have all the new HD content on the 400-channels as well as most of the digital channels on the printed channel guide. Biography channel is still on the digital+ tier so there's still some adjustments to be made, but everything looks normal except for some blank program guide info on a couple of the new channels. My 8300HD is still running SARA and my recordings are intact. I did notice, however, that nothing was recorded last night... I thought I had set up CSI-NY.

We are no longer out of Macedonia. We are out of Concord now.

Oh, well, wherever that hub/headend is, it isn't converted, but the ones up out of Cleveland (Lakeside) are. I have it clear over here out of the Bath/Copley/Northampton branch!

Maybe I'm confused. I think we determined once that you DON'T have the old Western Reserve lineup.

Oh, well, wherever that hub/headend is, it isn't converted, but the ones up out of Cleveland (Lakeside) are. I have it clear over here out of the Bath/Copley/Northampton branch!

Maybe I'm confused. I think we determined once that you DON'T have the old Western Reserve lineup.

The home office for the field techs is a different issue from the originating point of the feed. I think Hookbill is on the Macedonia feed. There's an easy way to verify this, Hookbill - tune to Channel 9. If you see "Cable 9" Public Access, you're fed from Macedonia.
Just a guess, of course. ;)

Oh, well, wherever that hub/headend is, it isn't converted, but the ones up out of Cleveland (Lakeside) are. I have it clear over here out of the Bath/Copley/Northampton branch!

Maybe I'm confused. I think we determined once that you DON'T have the old Western Reserve lineup.

No, we determined I did. Remember WOIO is on 704 here.

No, we determined I did. Remember WOIO is on 704 here.

List your first 15 analog channels...

Oh, and I think I figured something out.

The new 100-plus channels that are mirrors of the analog channels are indeed just that - mirrors.

You can tell when you tune to, say, 350 (CNN)...it doesn't take the added second or so to decode a digital video signal. And if you flip between both channels - 34 and 350 - the box doesn't even try retuning!

So, it would appear at least for now, "digital cable" needs an asterisk for the mirrored analog channels. :D

One of the guys over on the AVS TiVo thread refers to it as the "Crapagator.":)

Crapigator is an understatement! ******* steaming pile of horse **** is a more accurate description. :D

Another thing I've discovered that I HATE is now the titles of on demand crap are included in the title search. Rather than just seeing shows on live TV, I'm now forced to scroll through pages of on demand shows. :mad::(