Hello All,

I would love to turn off the TWC box and go to an OTA setup and have been trying to get a good setup.. I installed a rooftop antenna, went to Antenna Web etc. Some of
the channels come in fine but others have severe dropouts and cannot get signal lock.

WJW-DT (FOX), WEWS (ABC) and WBNX are our favorites and they are the problem ones.

Will this get better when the stations shut off their Analog broadcasting?

Why are you such a buzzkill, Hookbill? Don't always take those online sources as 100% accurate. Titan TV thinks TWC Akron is still on the old lineup. None of the new channels are there. Navigator gives me USA HD listings through this week. Only the Olympic channels say "Sign Off". And Universal HD channel is still turned on.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong. But here's the thing. Tribune Media is the source of what is listed on my TiVo. The fact that the channel disappears completely on Monday leads me to believe that TWNEO has informed them that it won't be on.

I'm glad to hear however that your schedule indicates something different! I can only go by what I see. So here's hoping you're schedule is correct!

I'm more inclined to go with what you see since it's more of a direct source, but we won't know until tomorrow. And it may be when I look at zap2it.com, or even my schedule upstairs maybe I'll see additonal programming.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong. But here's the thing. Tribune Media is the source of what is listed on my TiVo. The fact that the channel disappears completely on Monday leads me to believe that TWNEO has informed them that it won't be on.

I'm glad to hear however that your schedule indicates something different! I can only go by what I see. So here's hoping you're schedule is correct!

I'm more inclined to go with what you see since it's more of a direct source, but we won't know until tomorrow. And it may be when I look at zap2it.com, or even my schedule upstairs maybe I'll see additonal programming.

Check your on-screen guide on Tivo. My SA box let me schedule recordings for Becker at 6AM and a remonder for WWE Raw. I'm really scared tonight. :(:confused:

Also, USA HD is showing HD right now. I checked a while back and the L&O was HD. They did the same thing with the CI episodes Saturday afternoon. Don't know why. I've already made peace with USA HD and the fact this may be the last time I ever get to see Monk, Psych, L&O and Burn Notice in HD. Oh well, back to ignoring ANY channel over 435 ;) :D

Check your on-screen guide on Tivo. My SA box let me schedule recordings for Becker at 6AM and a remonder for WWE Raw. I'm really scared tonight. :(:confused:

I checked my guide screen. Now let me explain, as I said TiVo gets it's guide data from Tribune Media (zap2it.com).

However after looking at the guide itself, I'm happy to tell you that I see USAHD all the way out to 9/5!

It's not the first time the two guides haven't exactly matched up, so I am willing to bet that TW worked something out with USA HD.

I hope so. I checked the HDTV page, nobody's updated the "More News About HD on TWC" thread recently. I know TWC is a bunch of evil bastards, but I don't think they could be that evil! Could they? I've already changed all my recordings for USA to channel 450(from 201). The only downside of more HD is hard drive space. My SA box is almost full. (insert stock "Tivo's hard drive is massive and crushes SA" phrase here:p)

Will this get better when the stations shut off their Analog broadcasting?
Unfortunately I think the answer is no. This is the big problem with digital. If you get a poor signal OTA, you get nothing. Analog, on the other hand you can at least get a fuzzy picture. This will be the problem with OTA and play right into the cable mongers hands after the cutoff. People will be so dissapointed with the "quality" of their digital signal OTA they'll have to get cable. I've tried to do digital stations only OTA, but every once in a while, the signal is so bad, I just have to revert to watching the analog signal just to get something decent. Once that's not there, "Get cable" will be the cry from the wife and kids. Not something I want to do after hearing all the stories about TWC.

Unfortunately I think the answer is no. This is the big problem with digital. If you get a poor signal OTA, you get nothing. Analog, on the other hand you can at least get a fuzzy picture.

Hookbill and I have gone around about this, and I'l still disappointed in the lack of information on those national DTV spots about the need for a good antenna - maybe even a rooftop antenna with an antenna rotor.

Dateline: 12:53 AM, August 25, 2008: The mother****ers at Time Warner shut off USA. Right in the middle of ****ing Law & Order Criminal Intent. Seven minutes were left and I didn't get to see them. I know they came for USA because every other worthless sh*t channel around it still works. Just not USA. Thanks a lot!!! Thanks you worthless bastards!!! I think it's time to cancel TWC...

And one more thing,
UNIVERSAL HD IS STILL ON!!! TURN IT OFF!!!! THANK YOU!!

Prompt little f*ckers, aren't they?

Who knows, maybe it's just a glitch and will be back? Cause all I get is a blank screen and not a telltale message like 'this channel is unavailable' or 'tune to the SD channel' or something of that sort. Though that gets filed under W for Wishful Thinking around these parts.

Prompt little f*ckers, aren't they?

Who knows, maybe it's just a glitch and will be back? Cause all I get is a blank screen and not a telltale message like 'this channel is unavailable' or 'tune to the SD channel' or something of that sort. Though that gets filed under W for Wishful Thinking around these parts.

Are you former Adelphia or original Time Warner? I too hope it's a mistake. The one Olympic channel (451) is still on but Soccer on 452 is off. I'm hoping they really meant to turn off 451 and 452 but got 450 by mistake.

Original TW here. I haven't checked the other channels they added. I only wandered to USAHD and immediately flipped out once I saw what I was fearing.

I loved that channel!! It was the only cable HD channel I watched other than ESPN or STO. I don't care about TNT or TBS at all. Same goes for HGTV. I've only watched CSI: Miami a few times on A&E. I did like History and Food until they stopped identifying HD programs in the guide. Plus History has a bad habit of stretching and letterboxing shows that are supposed to be HD. And I can count the number of times I've watched Discovery HDT in two years on one hand. The same worthless shows on a loop. I'd rather have the simulcast of regular Discovery in HD. One thing I've noticed is TWC loves channels that stretch content. I hate that. So much for thinking like I think. :rolleyes:

Seriously. USA and Discovery are about the only two channels that have REALLY good original programming. USA has Monk, Psych, In Plain Sight, Burn Notice, Starter Wife. Then you have the L&O series in all it's OAR glory which would still be considered 'original' programming under it's parent company. And Discovery has stuff like Mythbusters, Dirty Jobs, and Deadliest Catch to name a few. Mind you EVERY one of these shows are native OAR HD.

Then you have channels like TNT, TBS, and A&E which usually end up 'round the clock reruns of old syndicated garbage in gloriuos stretch-o-vision. About the only times I give leeway is when either TBS or TNT have movies running which are usually good about either being native HD or a REAL good dvd upscale.

Then again, I guess I shouldn't be too upset. My brother in Columbus on WOW has a buttload of HD channels, but still no Discovery or USA there either.

Sucks when you don't get something that you think you deserve eh? :D

Sucks when you don't get something that you think you deserve eh? :D

Don't even start, little dude! :mad: I'm in no mood.

Don't even start, little dude! :mad: I'm in no mood.

Just walk on right past the pigpen, nick. ;)

About the only times I give leeway is when either TBS or TNT have movies running which are usually good about either being native HD or a REAL good dvd upscale.


The only good movie shown by TNT was the old "Wizard of Oz", which they surprisingly showed in 4:3 OAR. Who would've thunk TNT could do 4:3? Of course commercials were still stretched and the bug was hanging out of the 4:3 window, but still, truly shocked they didn't trash a classic.

The rest of the movies are 16:9 cut bastardized movies. They still crop the upper and lower bars off 2.35:1 films. I do give TNT a look during BNA season since NBA on TNT is correct HD. Although I think the graphics are stretched 4:3 graphics on the HD channel since the scoreboard and other graphics are outside the 4:3 area. That's a good indicator of stretchovision.

As of right now, 3:05 AM, USA and the two Olympic channels are gone. POOF!! Nowhere to be found. It's like they never existed. All my recordings in the DVR menu now say "USAHD●65535". No recorded shows were deleted and no series recordings were canceled, even though the channel no longer exists. I can't wait to see what happens tomorrow. The ****'s gonna hit the fan!!

Also, I just took the (excruciating) time to reboot the box here and, indeed, USAHD and the 2 Olympics channels are gone from the guide. :/

EDIT: nick beat me to it by a whole minute. ;)

Hello All,

I would love to turn off the TWC box and go to an OTA setup and have been trying to get a good setup.. I installed a rooftop antenna, went to Antenna Web etc. Some of
the channels come in fine but others have severe dropouts and cannot get signal lock.

WJW-DT (FOX), WEWS (ABC) and WBNX are our favorites and they are the problem ones.

Will this get better when the stations shut off their Analog broadcasting?

I live 55 miles from the Cleveland transmitters and receive all of the digital full power Cleveland stations. WOIO drops out occasionally. I receive the rest 24/7 with no problems. Ironically, WJW-DT and WEWS-DT are my two strongest Cleveland stations. You should be able to receive the full power Cleveland stations with no problems. What antenna are you using? Are you using a preamplifier? Please describe your complete setup including the number of televisions and the length of your cable runs.

Hello All,

I would love to turn off the TWC box and go to an OTA setup and have been trying to get a good setup.. I installed a rooftop antenna, went to Antenna Web etc. Some of
the channels come in fine but others have severe dropouts and cannot get signal lock.

WJW-DT (FOX), WEWS (ABC) and WBNX are our favorites and they are the problem ones.

Will this get better when the stations shut off their Analog broadcasting?

Are you currently receiving (utilizing) the analog or digital OTA broadcasts?

As has been mentioned, a better description of your equipment and location would better enable forum members to post more concise answers. :)

I just checked and I still have USA HD.

Oh wait... I have Directv. Never mind...

:p

(Sorry, I had to do it!)

As of right now, 3:05 AM, USA and the two Olympic channels are gone. POOF!! Nowhere to be found. It's like they never existed. All my recordings in the DVR menu now say "USAHD●65535". No recorded shows were deleted and no series recordings were canceled, even though the channel no longer exists. I can't wait to see what happens tomorrow. The ****'s gonna hit the fan!!

Remember nickdawg when I told you that zap2it.com is more then just an online guide for me. It's directly where TiVo gets it's program guide information.

I was hoping when I got up this morning I wouldn't see what I saw, but there it was: as soon as I hit the TiVo button a message popped up saying "A change in your channel line up has occurred. USA HD - DELETED.

However on my TiVo it is still there. Try manually punching in the channel. If I get it you should too. But I do not have guide data anymore so I don't know what to do. It's 9:00 am now.

I sent that email to Steve Fry. I guess I could try calling customer service to see if there is some type of "Official Word."

I might try one other thing as well.

I just checked and I still have USA HD.

Oh wait... I have Directv. Never mind...

:p

(Sorry, I had to do it!)

I just saw that one.:D

Technically as of this moment I do too.

TWC: Can you give me your phone number
hook: 555 TW Sucks
TWC: Can you verify your address
hook: 1000 Times I get Screwed by TW Rd.
TWC: Thank you, can I further verify by getting the last 4 of your social?
hook: 000 00 0000
TWC: How can I help you?
hook: Well, I notice that USA HD is no longer available on the guide.
CLUELESS TWC: Let me check the channel line up in your area.
hook thinking: You dumb s##t I just asked about USA HD and you don't have a clue it was ever on!
DUMB TWC: I see that USA is on channel 46 in your area, sir.
hook: So was it only on channel 450 for the Olympics?
CLUELESS TWC: That's correct sir (with a tone like "huh").
hook: OK, thank you
NOW GETTING RIDICULOUS TWC: I see it's also available on channel 201.
hook: Yes, I know that. Thank you. hang up

Trying to explain everything to this guy would have led to a long and painfull conversation. I'm going to leave a message for my source and see what she says.

I don't think it will be good news.

In the meantime, try punching in 450 manually and see if you still get it. Just because I have TiVo shouldn't make a difference (I don't think). You will have to set up manual recordings until or if they put it back on the line up.

Unless they did something to those SA 8300 boxes to keep you from getting to that channel.

At the risk of getting flamed...

Wasn't USA HD added to TWC on a temporary basis just for the Olympics? If so, how can you be angry that it might be gone? I understand disappointment, but don't act like Time Warner is doing something wrong. They promised something, they did it, and now they're done. You can ask them to add it permanently, but who knows how long that will take? I don't see that you have any other choice though.

At the risk of getting flamed...

Wasn't USA HD added to TWC on a temporary basis just for the Olympics? If so, how can you be angry that it might be gone? I understand disappointment, but don't act like Time Warner is doing something wrong. They promised something, they did it, and now they're done. You can ask them to add it permanently, but who knows how long that will take? I don't see that you have any other choice though.

I'm not going to flame you. You see there has been some talk on the web about TW adding this on at sometime. And it's a bit of a tease when we are able to record some HD shows and then we can't.

Has TW done anything wrong? Not really, but adding a channel for a brief period and a few others shows that the only reason they arn't adding more channels isn't because of lack of bandwith. It's because they are cheap and I think that's why most people are upset.

I would love to see the 4400 in HD.

I also noticed that apparently you guys cannot receive it at all from what I read. So how is it I can? It doesn't make sense, unless they can filter that box somehow and can't do that to my TiVo.

I just checked and I still have USA HD.

Oh wait... I have Directv. Never mind...

:p

(Sorry, I had to do it!)

:D... I like you!:)

I called my contact at TW headend, left a message. A half hour later I put on channel 450, and guess what? I got a nice grey screen!:(:o

I wonder if they got my message and said, "oh yeah, we gotta get those TiVo people too."?

Point is I saw it on there at 9:00 am so we know that they had it and may still have it.

Maybe someday.:(

TWC made it rather clear that USA HD was only for the Olympics. They darn near shouted it from the rooftops, and there's no indication that a permanent carriage was in the works.

Why's everyone surprised? :D

Re: our new Akron resident talking about having troubles receiving the DT stations, what part of town are you in? How far are you from the Parma antenna farm?

I see Time Warner Cable and the Big Ten are arguing again.

Even though I am an Ohio State fan, I would rather Time Warner Cable not add the Big Ten HD Channel at this time. I wouldn't want to waste the bandwidth, at least until they implement SDV. I would much rather Time Warner make a deal for USA HD and SciFi HD.

In the meantime, try punching in 450 manually and see if you still get it. Just because I have TiVo shouldn't make a difference (I don't think). You will have to set up manual recordings until or if they put it back on the line up.

Unless they did something to those SA 8300 boxes to keep you from getting to that channel.

Tivo beats us at that too!! With SA boxes, you cannot tune any channel that's not mapped to a source. 4-5-0 does nothing, just flashing question marks. If I still had Passport and knew the frequency of the channel I could probably manually tune it from the diagnostic screen, but they took that away! I'm not surprised the worthless lump of flesh, err, umm, I mean "TWC CSR", didn't know about USA HD. It was never advertised by TWC. I wonder how manyy HD viewers didn't even know they had it available? Here we get a massage on channels like ESPN and STO that say "Press Select For Enhanced" that brings up a box with the option to tune to the HD channel. I believe that's also the interface for features like StartOver as well. But forget about that, they can't even ass new HD channels :p

I see Time Warner Cable and the Big Ten are arguing again.

Even though I am an Ohio State fan, I would rather Time Warner Cable not add the Big Ten HD Channel at this time. I wouldn't want to waste the bandwidth, at least until they implement SDV. I would much rather Time Warner make a deal for USA HD and SciFi HD.

I know they are suppose to be in talks again..along with the NFL Network.

I wonder if they will add the ML Network when it starts on 01/01/09

Probably not...lol

I see Time Warner Cable and the Big Ten are arguing again.

Even though I am an Ohio State fan, I would rather Time Warner Cable not add the Big Ten HD Channel at this time. I wouldn't want to waste the bandwidth, at least until they implement SDV. I would much rather Time Warner make a deal for USA HD and SciFi HD.

Or at least add SD digital. I agree, TWC NEO is not in the position to add HD specialty channels without SDV.

but whats going to keep people from switching from TW to Dish/Direct.

getting big 10 network and NFL channel..then just keeping USA in HD or adding a few other channels..

I am sure they get more phone calls saying i am switching because I can't get the sports channels I want..then anything else..

I could be all wrong..won't be the first time.

Sure.
I have a rooftop Antenna I purchased from Lowes..
(there are trees in my line of site and my house is downhill from Cleveland where the broadcasts are I am trying to receive)
I mounted it on the roof with a 5 foot tripod and a 10 foot mast.
I have a 100ft cable (RG 6 Coax Cable)
I don't have it split at all. It goes directly into my home built PVR.
My PVR is mythtv and has a KWorld 115 ATSC capture card.

I am talking only about Digital stations... The strength of fox is around 90-93%. But still get those dropouts that make it un-watchable...
BTW - I don't have an pre-amp..

Sure.
I have a rooftop Antenna I purchased from Lowes..
(there are trees in my line of site and my house is downhill from Cleveland where the broadcasts are I am trying to receive)
I mounted it on the roof with a 5 foot tripod and a 10 foot mast.
I have a 100ft cable (RG 6 Coax Cable)
I don't have it split at all. It goes directly into my home built PVR.
My PVR is mythtv and has a KWorld 115 ATSC capture card.

It might help to post a more specific location as others familiar with Akron may know the area/terrain and then be able to offer more specific solutions.

I am talking only about Digital stations... The strength of fox is around 90-93%. But still get those dropouts that make it un-watchable...
BTW - I don't have an pre-amp..

That seems odd. If my signal strength is above 75% it's a pretty solid digital signal. Might be a tuner issue?

If not a major inconvenience: Any way to temporarily go direct from your OTA cable direct to your TV? Check for drop outs then? Maybe the PC tuner card is too finicky and requires a 100% rock solid signal? (I know nothing about PC tuner cards)

Or at least add SD digital. I agree, TWC NEO is not in the position to add HD specialty channels without SDV.

Now I've seen you say a great deal of things that doesn't make sense, however this tops them all. Seriously.

How in the heck could you come to that conclusion? They just proved they could do it. They are not out of bandwith. That's bull.

They are not in the position to add 100 channels or anything like that. But they showed they can easily add 3 more channels.

I called my contact at TW headend, left a message. A half hour later I put on channel 450, and guess what? I got a nice grey screen!:(:o

I wonder if they got my message and said, "oh yeah, we gotta get those TiVo people too."?

Point is I saw it on there at 9:00 am so we know that they had it and may still have it.

Maybe someday.:(

I don't think you jinxed anything, Hookbill. They said it was going to be temporary, and they're probably meeting some contractual obligations to maintain that promise.

I don't think you jinxed anything, Hookbill. They said it was going to be temporary, and they're probably meeting some contractual obligations to maintain that promise.

Oh I know that. It would have happened anyway.

But at least I had it longer then nickdawg!;):D

This of course is directed to my favorite sparring partner, nickdawg.

I keep telling you that SDV is not spreading at the rate you seem to think it is. Now the FCC has fined Hawaii, one of the first to go all SDV.

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=162284

Notice how the article says "a small group" in regards to how many actually are using SDV.

This of course is directed to my favorite sparring partner, nickdawg.

I keep telling you that SDV is not spreading at the rate you seem to think it is. Now the FCC has fined Hawaii, one of the first to go all SDV.

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=162284

Notice how the article says "a small group" in regards to how many actually are using SDV.

I actually read that over on DSLR and I have to agree with one of the commentors that said that it really should be Tivo's fault for not coming out with a method to support SDV themselves. The whole idea and technical implementation of SDV has been around for a while just waiting for cableco's to put it in. Tivo TECHNICALLY is an unsupported platform on cable networks just like routers are for HSI.

Though on the other hand I do admit that Hawaii TW should have at least waited till the tuning resolvers were available. But these people essentially praising Tivo and thinking they are the holy messiah in all this and going after TW with torches and pitchforks for actually trying to UPGRADE their network for more capacity need to get a freakin' grip.

I actually read that over on DSLR and I have to agree with one of the commentors that said that it really should be Tivo's fault for not coming out with a method to support SDV themselves. The whole idea and technical implementation of SDV has been around for a while just waiting for cableco's to put it in. Tivo TECHNICALLY is an unsupported platform on cable networks just like routers are for HSI.


How could it possibly be TiVo's fault when at the time of the design of the S3 cablelabs and the FCC had not come to an agreement. And since cable companies designed the cable cards TiVo can't design something that they have no access to.

And further, this isn't just TiVo. This affects any other potential competitor who wants to make their own DVR. The rule to implement the digital converter was not just for TiVo, but for others as well.

I will admit however, that TiVo is the primary DVR manufacturer next to and Motorola, who's DVR's are really a POS compared to a TiVo.

Now I've seen you say a great deal of things that doesn't make sense, however this tops them all. Seriously.

How in the heck could you come to that conclusion? They just proved they could do it. They are not out of bandwith. That's bull.

They are not in the position to add 100 channels or anything like that. But they showed they can easily add 3 more channels.

No, you just misunderstood. What I meant is TWC is in no position to add SPECIALTY NETWORKS (permanently) like Big Ten, NFL, Golf or Soccer. The discussion was about adding the Big Ten network. It wouldn't be in their best interest to use the limited bandwidth to add that as a full time HD network when they could add USA HD and SCIFI HD instead. What I would like to see if hell froze over and TWC added NFL/Big Ten is the HD versions of those games picked up in HD Bonus Land. I think the worthless drooling losers, err umm I mean "talented qualified techs" at TWC could pull that off! I thought about that b/c I've read other TWC areas added golf in HD. F**king GOLF in HD!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: C'mon!!! We don't want that!

No, you just misunderstood. What I meant is TWC is in no position to add SPECIALTY NETWORKS (permanently) like Big Ten, NFL, Golf or Soccer. The discussion was about adding the Big Ten network. It wouldn't be in their best interest to use the limited bandwidth to add that as a full time HD network when they could add USA HD and SCIFI HD instead. What I would like to see if hell froze over and TWC added NFL/Big Ten is the HD versions of those games picked up in HD Bonus Land. I think the worthless drooling losers, err umm I mean "talented qualified techs" at TWC could pull that off! I thought about that b/c I've read other TWC areas added golf in HD. F**king GOLF in HD!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: C'mon!!! We don't want that!

Golf in HD would look very nice! Of course the fact that it would put you to sleep in 10 minutes, well, that's a side effect.:rolleyes:

OK, I gotcha. So let me ask you something else. Why in the hell do you stay with TW?

Oh, I forgot, you don't want to shell out the 279.00 for the D* DVR. So instead you put up with being irritated to holy crap by TW.:confused:

I know that the DVR that D* provides isn't as good as a TiVo, but I also know it's a heck of alot better then the SA 8300. Sometimes you gotta shell out some money to get something better. Which is why I put out all this money on the TiVo, but believe me if I had a line of site I would not have gone that route. They still had TiVo DVR's at the time I looked into them but they needed a land line phone to call in at least once. I would have taken it over to my neighbors house to do the call in. Now that's no longer available.

SDV is not going to be here soon. And when it does get here who knows how many problems that will bring with it for both you and me.

If you've got a line of site, and you can shell out the 300 bucks do yourself a favor and go satellite. Heck you'e leasing the box and if it goes bad, you get another one, no charge. I have extended warranties on my TiVo's but many people don't and the hard drive goes and boom, there goes all their recordings.

Well, I guess that can happen with any DVR. And no eSATA for the D* so that's another issue.

As Inundated pointed out, and a couple of others TW didn't lie to us. They said "temporary" and that's exactly what they did. But if I was as unhappy about it as you are, I'd switch. Do they have U-Verse in your area? It's got limitations too but more HD, you just can't record two HD channels at one time.

Then again if you did solve these issues you wouldn't have anything to come in here and gripe about, love one minute, hate the next. You know the routine.;)

Nickdawg, you are a trip. And if you ever get to the point where you do want tor return that lovely SA 8300 with it's Navigator software that DOES NOT ALLOW you to push the channels in (totally ridiculous) I'll bring the chain over so you can tie it to the bumper of your car and drag it to your nearest TW office.:)

Personally? The only reason at this point that I haven't switched to D* is the whole contracts deal. I got burned on that BS with Embarq/Sprint with DSL a while ago that ended up with a ~$500 accumulation of ETF/reconnect fees that would have taken an act of god to correct in our favor.

The less contracts I have to deal with and walk on thin ice during the length of said contract, the better.

Otherwise, I'd have made a beeline to D* the moment they pulled this BS with the 'Olympics Exclusive' channels.

How could it possibly be TiVo's fault when at the time of the design of the S3 cablelabs and the FCC had not come to an agreement. And since cable companies designed the cable cards TiVo can't design something that they have no access to.

And further, this isn't just TiVo. This affects any other potential competitor who wants to make their own DVR. The rule to implement the digital converter was not just for TiVo, but for others as well.

I will admit however, that TiVo is the primary DVR manufacturer next to and Motorola, who's DVR's are really a POS compared to a TiVo.

I think hook is correct. Hell, the cable companies themselves could not get CableCards to work correctly in the early days on their own boxes, let alone a 3rd party competitor like Tivo that has to work with hundreds of cable systems across the country. And that was with the so-called CableLabs "standard" in place. Damn impressive that Tivo has been able to get the S3 to work at all, if you ask me. They must lose a lot of $$ per box in customer support, phone calls, etc. The amount of time I've seen the cable company and customers spend on getting these cablecards to work is unbelievable. All for something that should be "plug and play". And it's not just Tivo, it's all the brands of CableCard ready TV's that are screwed up too.

First, I would have to say that Hook's right. Since you're just finally seeing the digital simulcasts that TWC Cincinnati has had for a couple years now, you'll probably see SDV after they do as well.

Second, much to the delight of some and the shock of others, TWC and BTN have reached an agreement (so much for not adding specialty channels):

http://www.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUSN2628831820080826

And it's not just Tivo, it's all the brands of CableCard ready TV's that are screwed up too.

Have you noticed that CableCard ready TVs have disappeared? They're incorporating QAM demodulators, but have dropped CableCard.

Have you noticed that CableCard ready TVs have disappeared? They're incorporating QAM demodulators, but have dropped CableCard.

The original cable cards were a joke. No two way communication, vast incompatibilities among hardware mfr's and cable co's, very glitchy.

By the time the 2nd generation cable cards came out with two way communication the consumer was so fed up (or had heard so many bad stories) they didn't want them. Many consumers that would have given 2nd gen cards a chance could not even try them as their TV's had only 1st gen card compatibility.

Very poorly implemented concept from the beginning. :(

The original cable cards were a joke. No two way communication, vast incompatibilities among hardware mfr's and cable co's, very glitchy.

By the time the 2nd generation cable cards came out with two way communication the consumer was so fed up (or had heard so many bad stories) they didn't want them. Many consumers that would have given 2nd gen cards a chance could not even try them as their TV's had only 1st gen card compatibility.

Very poorly implemented concept from the beginning. :(

I agree with all of you guys on the cable card thing but I singled out toby10 because whether you realize it or not there will still be a cable card used in the true2way technology. And from what I've heard so far all is not moving that smoothly on that front either! Lot's of things to work out there as well.

Terryforter, I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I heard they were going to start SDV in Cincinnatti and you said you hadn't heard anything but you knew about Columbus, which I didn't. It would seem to me that you still have to have 2 way communication to make SDV work, which would mean you have to have a cable card. I don't understand. But I'm pretty dumb about QAM anyway so sorry if this is a stupid question.

Also read the reuters link on BTN. Not too much detail on how they plan to implement this. Personally I don't care but if they are going to put BTN HD instead of USA or FX, I say waste of bandwith.

Just my opinion. I would like to know if they agreed to go into that Sports Package thing. That would be a convenient way to squeeze another 5 bucks out of you guys.

And as far as the contract thing, I've posted this before and many of you laughed it off, but it does work. You need to get out of the contract? You simply "die". Somebody on the TiVo forum told me about how he did it a while back. I had to pm him to get the info but he simply called, identified himself as his brother and said "my brother got into a car accident and got killed. I'm handling his affairs, and there is no need for satellite services."

Sorry to hear that sir, of course we will stop service. No death certificate required.;)

Of course getting service started up again might be a problem. A wife could do that. There is only one person that I know of who rose from the dead. Well two if you count Lazarus. I'm not a religious person but that's all I've ever heard about.:)

According to this morning's Plain Dealer, Time Warner reached agreement for the Big Ten Network:

http://www.cleveland.com/buckeyeblog/index.ssf/2008/08/ohio_state_football_time_warne_1.html

The article doesn't mention high definition broadcasts.

According to this morning's Plain Dealer, Time Warner reached agreement for the Big Ten Network:

http://www.cleveland.com/buckeyeblog/index.ssf/2008/08/ohio_state_football_time_warne_1.html

The article doesn't mention high definition broadcasts.

terryfoster beat you to the punch look about 4 post up and on the post I made as you wer posting I asked about the HD thing too.

I would love to see the the Golf Channel in HD, more so than USAHD ScifiHD, etc... So glad they added the Big Ten Network in HD, now bring on the NFL NetworkHD.


No, you just misunderstood. What I meant is TWC is in no position to add SPECIALTY NETWORKS (permanently) like Big Ten, NFL, Golf or Soccer. The discussion was about adding the Big Ten network. It wouldn't be in their best interest to use the limited bandwidth to add that as a full time HD network when they could add USA HD and SCIFI HD instead. What I would like to see if hell froze over and TWC added NFL/Big Ten is the HD versions of those games picked up in HD Bonus Land. I think the worthless drooling losers, err umm I mean "talented qualified techs" at TWC could pull that off! I thought about that b/c I've read other TWC areas added golf in HD. F**king GOLF in HD!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: C'mon!!! We don't want that!

terryfoster beat you to the punch look about 4 post up and on the post I made as you wer posting I asked about the HD thing too.

Here's the BTN posting which says yes to HD:
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/Time-Warner-Cable-Statement.asp

The Reuter's article says BTN will be available as an expanded basic channel. So you're adding an analog channel and a HD channel, that ought to make everyone happy. ;)

Actually, BTN also has alternate networks to show other games on Saturday afternoons, but I'm sure TWC won't be picking those up!

Here's the BTN posting which says yes to HD:
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/Time-Warner-Cable-Statement.asp

The Reuter's article says BTN will be available as an expanded basic channel. So you're adding an analog channel and a HD channel, that ought to make everyone happy. ;)

Here's the BTN posting which says yes to HD:
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/Time-Warner-Cable-Statement.asp

The Reuter's article says BTN will be available as an expanded basic channel. So you're adding an analog channel and a HD channel, that ought to make everyone happy. ;)

FOX 8 News is reporting that it will be shown here in Cleveland on Expanded Basic. Which is just what terryfoster said.

I really have to read the posts I'm quoting.:o

Actually, BTN also has alternate networks to show other games on Saturday afternoons, but I'm sure TWC won't be picking those up!

You mean like the way it's owner/partner FOXSPORTS NET is set up? Probably not unless they set up a sports tier like satellite has had for years and based upon their current situation with HD, bandwith, etc. I don't see that happening.

I don't think all of the details of the deal have yet been published. I think I also ran across an article that said the VOD content would also be made available.

I wouldn't be surprised if this deal doesn't end up sounding like Comcast deal. I also wouldn't be surprised to hear the the overflow channels are available to digital customers like they supposedly will be for Comcast customers.

Here's BTN's "Fast Facts" and FAQ on the Comcast Deal as a frame of reference until all details are published:
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/Comcast-FAQ.asp

Sure.
I have a rooftop Antenna I purchased from Lowes..
(there are trees in my line of site and my house is downhill from Cleveland where the broadcasts are I am trying to receive)
I mounted it on the roof with a 5 foot tripod and a 10 foot mast.
I have a 100ft cable (RG 6 Coax Cable)
I don't have it split at all. It goes directly into my home built PVR.
My PVR is mythtv and has a KWorld 115 ATSC capture card.

It would really help if you would state the brand and model number of your antenna. How large are the trunks of your trees? How far are they from your antenna setup? Are they conifers or deciduous trees? Is your antenna pointed directly at the trunks of close trees?

Here are some potential issues:

1.) There is multipath interference.
2.) Your tuner card's front end is being overload because of high signal strengths.
3.) There is FM or other interference.
4.) The signal is blocked by obstructions.

I doubt the last one because your signal strength is jumping into the 90%+ range before dropping out. My preliminary guess is that you're dealing with multipath or FM interference.

The original cable cards were a joke. No two way communication, vast incompatibilities among hardware mfr's and cable co's, very glitchy.

By the time the 2nd generation cable cards came out with two way communication the consumer was so fed up (or had heard so many bad stories) they didn't want them. Many consumers that would have given 2nd gen cards a chance could not even try them as their TV's had only 1st gen card compatibility.

Very poorly implemented concept from the beginning. :(

I'm really tired of seeing people bashing cablecards on the baseless claim that they are not two-way capable. PLEASE read up on the technology before you go claiming this all as fact.

Cablecards have always been two-way capable, it's just up to the tv/set-top manufacturers to build in bi-directional capable tuners which they have obviously been lazy in doing.

The ONLY thing cablecards actually offer is the system to decrypt/encrypt the non-clear QAM channels coming across the system. There is no tuner hardware in these cards. Otherwise, you'd see a honking F connector sitting on the back of it to hook up yet ANOTHER cable line.

(I am in no way defending cablecards here, but just trying to clear up this misconception yet again. Always pisses me off when people pull the 'cablecards-are-not-two-way-capable' BS.)

I'm really tired of seeing people bashing cablecards on the baseless claim that they are not two-way capable. PLEASE read up on the technology before you go claiming this all as fact.Cablecards have always been two-way capable, it's just up to the tv/set-top manufacturers to build in bi-directional capable tuners which they have obviously been lazy in doing.

The ONLY thing cablecards actually offer is the system to decrypt/encrypt the non-clear QAM channels coming across the system. There is no tuner hardware in these cards. Otherwise, you'd see a honking F connector sitting on the back of it to hook up yet ANOTHER cable line.

(I am in no way defending cablecards here, but just trying to clear up this misconception yet again. Always pisses me off when people pull the 'cablecards-are-not-two-way-capable' BS.)

Highlighted paragraph: You are absolutely correct. It's the equipment that needs to be two way capable.

However the problems with cable cards go beyond that fact. Compatability problems are a major problem, i.e. M cards vs S cards. Now in most areas you will have no problem if you have a TiVo HD and use a single M card. However if you use two M cards in an S3, I've seen numerous people who've had problems with that.

Now if M cards were designed after the S3 came out then that issue should have been taken into consideration, and in fact probably was. But the design of an M card doesn't necessarily mean that the cable systems equipment will work properly with two M cards in the S3.

So not only is it the manufacturer but also the cable company as well that needs to be able to make their equipment work with these cards. Also the very poor training of their techs, and people who work in headend in some areas have a great deal to do with this problem.

Then we have the human factor. The installer reads the number off correctly but the person doing the input makes a typo. In my last install for my TiVo HD I caught the installer reading the numbers back incorrectly.

I could go on and on but I'll stop here. I just hope that they get tru2way right, but who knows? And there will be a cable card involved in that as well.

I'm really tired of seeing people bashing cablecards on the baseless claim that they are not two-way capable. PLEASE read up on the technology before you go claiming this all as fact.

Cablecards have always been two-way capable, it's just up to the tv/set-top manufacturers to build in bi-directional capable tuners which they have obviously been lazy in doing.

The ONLY thing cablecards actually offer is the system to decrypt/encrypt the non-clear QAM channels coming across the system. There is no tuner hardware in these cards. Otherwise, you'd see a honking F connector sitting on the back of it to hook up yet ANOTHER cable line.

(I am in no way defending cablecards here, but just trying to clear up this misconception yet again. Always pisses me off when people pull the 'cablecards-are-not-two-way-capable' BS.)

Well pardon me for not fully understanding the botched implementation of this technology. I was only detailing what I was told by several retailers and two cable co's.

Wiki:
"Two proposals exist for enhancing the CableCARD standard. Both are designed to add support for two-way features whose operation details the CE and cable company representatives could not agree on in time for inclusion in the CableCARD 1.0 specification. These two-way features include ordering pay-per-view via remote, Video On Demand, advanced electronic programming guide information, and Switched Video services. These features are not supported by CableCARD 1.0, and so are not available with current CableCARD-enabled products."

Blame who you wish. :D

Pisses me off when some techno-dweeb gets on his high horse and gets all *snippy* in a forum to exchange information, help others and learn. ;)

How about a more friendly "I think you may have a misunderstanding about cable card technology.........."? :cool:

Wiki:
"Two proposals exist for enhancing the CableCARD standard. Both are designed to add support for two-way features whose operation details the CE and cable company representatives could not agree on in time for inclusion in the CableCARD 1.0 specification. These two-way features include ordering pay-per-view via remote, Video On Demand, advanced electronic programming guide information, and Switched Video services. These features are not supported by CableCARD 1.0, and so are not available with current CableCARD-enabled products."

Blame who you wish.

Here's another quote from the opening of the same Wiki article:
"Use of the term CableCARD can be confusing, because some technologies refer not to the physical card, but to a device ("Host") that uses the card. Some CableCARD technologies can be used with devices that have no physical CableCARDs."

Isn't it interesting the way people perceive things they read in these forums!;)

Anyway, I just thought I'd mention that despite the fact that I told my contact at headend not to worry about my call, she called me back anyway. She didn't tell me anything we don't already know but she also said they are in negotiations with USA HD.

Like I said, nothing new, she did mention that she spent some effort to get as much info as she could for me but no time frame.

Here's another quote from the opening of the same Wiki article:
"Use of the term CableCARD can be confusing, because some technologies refer not to the physical card, but to a device ("Host") that uses the card. Some CableCARD technologies can be used with devices that have no physical CableCARDs."

Exactly! ;)

And further complicating things are the cable co specific cards designed to work/interface with their unique system. When the Adelphia tech showed up to install the card he said "oh...a Panasonic TV.....this may be a problem". He went on to explain that the supplied cards are very "hit and miss" with Panny TV's and that it may not function at all. He further explained that at his previous cable co (another state) their cards worked flawlessly with any Panny they plugged a card into and that it was the Sony brand that were "not so compatible" with that cable co's supplied cards.

It took well over an hour of the card "installing itself" on my Panny to get it to function, but it eventually did work. But absent the channel guide and other features I went back to the big 'ole box!

Again, place the blame where you wish, but the entire implementation was flawed and quirky resulting in MANY consumers (like myself) to have little interest in the technology (as is apparently evident by fewer models even offering the cable card option).

I am talking only about Digital stations... The strength of fox is around 90-93%. But still get those dropouts that make it un-watchable...
BTW - I don't have an pre-amp..

With 100 ft. of RG-6, you might want to invest in a preamp. To do any good, it has to be mounted at the antenna. Radio Shack has one that looke like a small balun/transformer and is powered through the cable from inside the house.

Exactly! ;)

He further explained that at his previous cable co (another state) their cards worked flawlessly with any Panny they plugged a card into and that it was the Sony brand that were "not so compatible" with that cable co's supplied cards.



That says it all right there! And that's exactly what's happened, same card, different cable company and you have problems.:rolleyes:

So when is the BTN going to officially going to launch?

So when is the BTN going to officially going to launch?

In 10, 9, 8, 7.....:)

No offense guy, but geeze, we all just found out they signed today. If I had to guess however, I would say pretty soon. I wouldn't even be surprised if you see it right after labor day.

Now I'm basing this thought on how Adelphia use to launch HD, usually at the beginning of the month. With TW, who really knows?

The first game is Saturday and they've indicated that they will be showing it, so it would have to be before Labor Day...


In 10, 9, 8, 7.....:)

No offense guy, but geeze, we all just found out they signed today. If I had to guess however, I would say pretty soon. I wouldn't even be surprised if you see it right after labor day.

Now I'm basing this thought on how Adelphia use to launch HD, usually at the beginning of the month. With TW, who really knows?

The first game is Saturday and they've indicated that they will be showing it, so it would have to be before Labor Day...

Your right. I think we'll see it by Friday. Time Warner Cable Columbus is already showing the channel numbers. One for sd and one for hd.

The first game is Saturday and they've indicated that they will be showing it, so it would have to be before Labor Day...

Not that I want to rain on your parade, nor the fact that I'm pissed because they put this crap on instead of something I care about but I took another look at the article and it says MOST TW people in the midwest should get the first game.

Now to me that's probably a good bet that may include us but it might not. Cincinnatti and Columbus may get it before we do.

ESPNU goes HD on Thursday. Time Warner already has an agreement to carry the new HD channel. What if Friday, we got two new HD channels. Two sports channels. Yea or Nea? Kent State could be in HD Saturday night.

Isn't it interesting the way people perceive things they read in these forums!;)

Anyway, I just thought I'd mention that despite the fact that I told my contact at headend not to worry about my call, she called me back anyway. She didn't tell me anything we don't already know but she also said they are in negotiations with USA HD.

Like I said, nothing new, she did mention that she spent some effort to get as much info as she could for me but no time frame.

I know how you feel about what CSRs say, but I read on the More News About TWC HD thread that someone in another market heard from a CSR that USA HD is being added on September 10. Although that was debunked, some more are being added in California, including ESPN News. Think we might see ESPNU as well?


MyTV Channel 13 HD
ABC Family HD
Disney Channel HD
Food Network HD
HGTV HD
TLC HD
Golf HD
Espn News
A&E HD
History HD
CNN HD
Discovery HD
National Graphics HD



They appear to be a bit behind since they are adding HGTV, Food, History and A&E now.

Here's another quote from the opening of the same Wiki article:
"Use of the term CableCARD can be confusing, because some technologies refer not to the physical card, but to a device ("Host") that uses the card. Some CableCARD technologies can be used with devices that have no physical CableCARDs."

And There Is no Spoon. ;) Actually there is a version of cablecard-style technology where the CE manufacturer bakes the decryption and conditional access circuitry right into the set. Samsung has a working demo of this, but it has yet to see the light of day in the retail market.

I know how you feel about what CSRs say, but I read on the More News About TWC HD thread that someone in another market heard from a CSR that USA HD is being added on September 10. Although that was debunked, some more are being added in California, including ESPN News. Think we might see ESPNU as well?



I don't know if you saw where I had posted earlier that my headend person called me today and said that they were in negotiations but no date set as to when it will start for USA HD.

BIG 10 fans, FOX 8 just announced that this Saturdays game will be available.

Not to rain on YOUR parade, but I don't really care whether it's on TWC or not. I have Directv. I wish that Directv would add ESPNUHD on its first day (Thursday) so that I can see BC/Kent State in HD on Saturday. But you know what? Even if they don't I suspect I'll still be alive on Sunday.


Not that I want to rain on your parade, nor the fact that I'm pissed because they put this crap on instead of something I care about but I took another look at the article and it says MOST TW people in the midwest should get the first game.

Now to me that's probably a good bet that may include us but it might not. Cincinnatti and Columbus may get it before we do.

Not to rain on YOUR parade, but I don't really care whether it's on TWC or not. I have Directv. I wish that Directv would add ESPNUHD on its first day (Thursday) so that I can see BC/Kent State in HD on Saturday. But you know what? Even if they don't I suspect I'll still be alive on Sunday.

BOO!!!! I was waiting for the Directv hot shot to start taking shots at TWC.

Enjoy Planet Gren HD and ABC Family HD and Lifetime Movies and Hallmark HD! :p:p:p:p

We'll get these channels over time. It's only TV! C'mon! :p

Feel better now?

Feel better now?

Just a word to the wise. I didn't mean anything insulting when I said "I don't want to rain on your parade." And I really don't care how you get your HD, I've got nothing against Direct TV or any satellite company.

I truly didn't realize at the time of my statement that you were not a TW subscriber so if you took offense for my statement I apologize. But you are new to this area and most of us are pretty good friends. I'd like for you to be a friend as well, and welcome you. But you're not making a good start.

So it's not necessary to have the last word. Just let whatever it is that is bothering you go. We like to keep things peacefull around here with some occasional good ribbing, OK?

It's an understandable assumption. This forum is mostly cable customers, right? TWC seems to be topic #1 here.

from Time Warner Cable NEO Web page:

Standard definition channels on our Expanded Basic and Digital Cable service levels will launch in time for the Saturday, August 30 game. High definition and Video On Demand services will be added at a later time.

Big Ten Network will be available in most areas on channel 77, or Digital Cable position 333. Digital customers will also have the advantage of an alternate feed for more Big Ten excitement, on channel position 334.

Customers in the Franklin, PA area will see Big Ten on channel 28, and portions of the Erie, PA area will see the channel on position 31.

Now do YOU feel better?

If you noticed, I registered in 2004. I've bee reading for years, but only post sparingly, which will end right now. You guys need to go and watch TV and stop complaining about everything that doesn't go your way.

Bye Bye!


Just a word to the wise. I didn't mean anything insulting when I said "I don't want to rain on your parade." And I really don't care how you get your HD, I've got nothing against Direct TV or any satellite company.

I truly didn't realize at the time of my statement that you were not a TW subscriber so if you took offense for my statement I apologize. But you are new to this area and most of us are pretty good friends. I'd like for you to be a friend as well, and welcome you. But you're not making a good start.

So it's not necessary to have the last word. Just let whatever it is that is bothering you go. We like to keep things peacefull around here with some occasional good ribbing, OK?

Nothing about HD. I was disappointed to see that it's going to be on analog 77. Just what we need, MORE analog garbage. This would be the perfect opportunity to get customers to upgrade to digital. "Want Big Ten, buy a cable box". Perfect. And TWC blew it. I'll bet the bandwidth that would be used for B10 HD is being wasted on an analog version for cheap asses.

Nothing about HD. I was disappointed to see that it's going to be on analog 77. Just what we need, MORE analog garbage. This would be the perfect opportunity to get customers to upgrade to digital. "Want Big Ten, buy a cable box". Perfect. And TWC blew it. I'll bet the bandwidth that would be used for B10 HD is being wasted on an analog version for cheap asses.

Like I said earlier, you'll be getting the HD version on top of the analog SD version. Knowing TWC you'll also get the digital simulcast too.

They didn't advertise a channel number online. But then again, TWC has a ad habit in NE Ohio of not advertising HDTV. They never even advertised that they had USA.

Now do YOU feel better?

If you noticed, I registered in 2004. I've bee reading for years, but only post sparingly, which will end right now. You guys need to go and watch TV and stop complaining about everything that doesn't go your way.

Bye Bye!



I tried to offer an olive branch to you and this is you're reaction? Regardless if you've been registered since 2004, or 1964, you're still new to posting with this group of current people.

And if that's your attitude, your a jerk and don't let the door hit you on the way out. nickdawg, wait until he leaves and trip him as he exits.:p

They didn't advertise a channel number online. But then again, TWC has a ad habit in NE Ohio of not advertising HDTV. They never even advertised that they had USA.

terryfoster is right, it will be in HD. They said so on FOX 8.

Howdy folks, first time poster here in this thread.

I'm a Time Warner Cable subscriber in Concord (44077), and was just wondering if any of you might be familiar with a channel glitch I'm seeing in my new Windows Vista Media Center PC.

I have a QAM tuner in it and for some reason after it scans for available channels it lists in its guide channel 5.1 WEWSDT (ABC), but the actual channel that comes on when tuning to that channel is 8.1 WJWDT (FOX). Also, the actual 5.1 WEWSDT signal is not picked up at all on any channel that I have been able to find using my PC. Even adding it manually doesn't tune it in. I DO get 5.1 using the QAM tuner in my HDTV, but it's not seen at all through my Vista HTPC. Does anyone here know if this is already a known mistake?

Also, can someone tell me who's responsible for providing the channel line-up and making corrections? My guess is that Zap2It.com is providing the info that they've been given by TWC. I don't think Microsoft is involved in actually providing guide/channel data to Windows PCs, but of course I could be wrong about that.

TIA for any insight.

Do you think IT is coming tongight?? :D:D:D:D:D

Anybody else get bad macroblocking and drop outs tonight in general on TWC? I watched Ch. 43 for half an hour, and CBS for about an hour and it was bad on both. TWC via QAM.

Howdy folks, first time poster here in this thread.

I'm a Time Warner Cable subscriber in Concord (44077), and was just wondering if any of you might be familiar with a channel glitch I'm seeing in my new Windows Vista Media Center PC.

I have a QAM tuner in it and for some reason after it scans for available channels it lists in its guide channel 5.1 WEWSDT (ABC), but the actual channel that comes on when tuning to that channel is 8.1 WJWDT (FOX). Also, the actual 5.1 WEWSDT signal is not picked up at all on any channel that I have been able to find using my PC. Even adding it manually doesn't tune it in. I DO get 5.1 using the QAM tuner in my HDTV, but it's not seen at all through my Vista HTPC. Does anyone here know if this is already a known mistake?

Also, can someone tell me who's responsible for providing the channel line-up and making corrections? My guess is that Zap2It.com is providing the info that they've been given by TWC. I don't think Microsoft is involved in actually providing guide/channel data to Windows PCs, but of course I could be wrong about that.

TIA for any insight.

First off, welcome to the thread!

I think I read about this before around here, unfortunently I don't remember what became of it. In your Media Center, can you actually edit the channel list (ie, see the physical and virtual channels)? I can't look it up right now, but you'll want to make sure your physical and virtual channels are correct for ABC and FOX. Hopefully someone else can post those channel numbers if I can't get to it soon. I could be completely off, but we can start there.

I just found this website. Its about XP Media Center, but most of it probably applies.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/mce/expert/elsbree_dec2004.mspx

And as far as I've found out with a little googling, zap2it does provide the guide data, and is owned by Tribune Media, not microsoft (yet :rolleyes:)

Anybody else get bad macroblocking and drop outs tonight in general on TWC? I watched Ch. 43 for half an hour, and CBS for about an hour and it was bad on both. TWC via QAM.

I was watching the DNC on WOIO and there were a lot of dropouts (OTA and via D* locals). I had to switch away to CNNHD / PBS 49-1 for it to be watchable. No problems there.

Noticed the dropouts during Letterman. Didn't see it during the DNC as I was watching a combination of WNEO-DT and MSNBC.

The PBS feed on WNEO-DT was far superior to any other station. Everyone else talked over speeches, CNN was one of the worst offenders. The "Big Three" broadcast networks were even worse. PBS did a better job of showing all the speeches but the downside on PBS was the commentators. Some guy and chick who were waaay to stuffy for my tastes. That's why I watched MSNBC, I love Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann. Plus they have Tom Brokaw Chris Matthews and Brian Williams. Just seems so strange to be watching the conventions and not seeing Tim Russert. :(

Of course the downside to MSNBC is they have Pat Buchanan. :eek: :mad: :PUKINGMYGUTSOUTATTHETHOUGHTOFTHATNAZIBASTARD:

is TW just giving us the Ohio State game this weekend or all the big ten games played on Saturday ??

Just curious

Howdy folks, first time poster here in this thread.

I'm a Time Warner Cable subscriber in Concord (44077), and was just wondering if any of you might be familiar with a channel glitch I'm seeing in my new Windows Vista Media Center PC.

I have a QAM tuner in it and for some reason after it scans for available channels it lists in its guide channel 5.1 WEWSDT (ABC), but the actual channel that comes on when tuning to that channel is 8.1 WJWDT (FOX). Also, the actual 5.1 WEWSDT signal is not picked up at all on any channel that I have been able to find using my PC. Even adding it manually doesn't tune it in. I DO get 5.1 using the QAM tuner in my HDTV, but it's not seen at all through my Vista HTPC. Does anyone here know if this is already a known mistake?

Also, can someone tell me who's responsible for providing the channel line-up and making corrections? My guess is that Zap2It.com is providing the info that they've been given by TWC. I don't think Microsoft is involved in actually providing guide/channel data to Windows PCs, but of course I could be wrong about that.

TIA for any insight.

I have a Windows Media Player, XP and I know nothing about it.:o

But I do know that TW does not get it's data from zap2it.com. That is Tribune Media and they provide data for TiVo.

Now your next question might be "Couldn't they provide data for TW as well?"

I don't believe so, however things may have changed since the last time I saw data and they were still Adelphia. Communication with TW and Tribune Media had been poor in the early going, even after TW took over however the fact that people are seeing guide data for BTN on their DVR's and I don't see it on TiVo indicates to me that they probably are using different sources. And based upon the fact that the original TW area was able to schedule "record first run only" and we were not indicates there may have been two different data sources.

Original TW used Passport back then and ex Adelphia is still using SARA, but the type of software on the DVR did not matter in this case. SARA was also capable of running first run only if the data was provided by the provider. It wasn't.

Thanks for the reply. I don't know the brand or model of the antena. I got if from Lowes a few years ago. It is approx 6 ft long and has 6 'branches' coming out of it.

The trees are next door to us so about 50-70 feet away. The roof is on the 2nd story roof. I don't know what type trees... I am pointing a few degrees to one side of the trees.
How do I address multipath interference or FM interference?

The fact that people are seeing guide data for BTN on their DVR's and I don't see it on TiVo indicates to me that they probably are using different sources.

WHAT!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Hookbill must be pulling a nickdawg today(you know, saying something that makes absolutely no sense :p). Who's seeing BTN? I checked in the 300s and the HD range. No BTN listed anywhere.

WHAT!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Hookbill must be pulling a nickdawg today(you know, saying something that makes absolutely no sense :p). Who's seeing BTN? I checked in the 300s and the HD range. No BTN listed anywhere.

I could have sworn someone said they saw it listed in their guide, but upon further review, sad as it may seem, I am apparrently just as human as you are.

The problem as you have indicated is I'm doing it more frequently.:o

I have yet another new navigator problem. Yesterday I set the DVR to record "Clean House" at 6pm. When I just now checked the DVR, I get the message that it wasn't recorded "because the service no longer exists". The "service" I am talking about is Style network on channel 159. I turned on the channel and it was fine. It' was just the fscking Navigator that didn't want to record.

I could have sworn someone said they saw it listed in their guide, but upon further review, sad as it may seem, I am apparrently just as human as you are.

The problem as you have indicated is I'm doing it more frequently.:o

For the record, no BTN yet on either of my boxes, or analog cable 77, here in former Adelphia/TWC Cleveland land...

Cox Cleveland just add Big 10 HD to the list. It's up and running showing an old game with sidebars.

I could have sworn someone said they saw it listed in their guide, but upon further review, sad as it may seem, I am apparrently just as human as you are.


It was on the guide for a short while yesterday afternoon. By the evening it had disappeared. Before it disappeared Channel 77 had a blank screen and 333 had a message about subscribing to it.

Now do YOU feel better?

If you noticed, I registered in 2004. I've bee reading for years, but only post sparingly, which will end right now. You guys need to go and watch TV and stop complaining about everything that doesn't go your way.

Bye Bye!

Lets see.. In four years, You make only 13 posts, 12 of which have been in the last two weeks, and we're supposed to take you seriously?

sign says...
Don't feed the trolls!
:D

I'll follow that advice and not respond to the post above mine!! :p:p:p

How's that Navigator software workin for ya Nick? :cool::D

How's that Navigator software workin for ya Nick? :cool::D

:D:D:D:D:D

ROFLOL!!!!!

TW....They think like you do. I, unfortunately don't think like TW which is why I use TiVo.:p

:D:D:D:D:D

ROFLOL!!!!!

TW....They think like you do. I, unfortunately don't think like TW which is why I use TiVo.:p

New slogan ad campaign:

Tivo: Leave the thinking to us!! :p

(since it "reads your mind" and decides what to record)

How's that Navigator software workin for ya Nick? :cool::D

Better than a TV set without a cable box! :p

The one HUGE thing I hate about Navigator so far and this has actually come up this evening is that it absolutely requires a connection to the headend to even boot. At least with Passport, you could run it without a cable hookup and manually skip the boot sequence and still have access to analog cable channels, manual timed recordings, and previously recorded shows.

We're out of town this week and I have a handful of HD movies on my navigator box at home and it'd be REAL nice to have access to those here.

New slogan ad campaign:

Tivo: Leave the thinking to us!! :p

(since it "reads your mind" and decides what to record)

I actually had Direct TV with their Tivo a few years ago. While there were a lot of things about the Tivo I liked, the idea of their "suggesting" programs for me kind of creeped me out, so I turned that feature off after a while..

The one HUGE thing I hate about Navigator so far and this has actually come up this evening is that it absolutely requires a connection to the headend to even boot. At least with Passport, you could run it without a cable hookup and manually skip the boot sequence and still have access to analog cable channels, manual timed recordings, and previously recorded shows.

We're out of town this week and I have a handful of HD movies on my navigator box at home and it'd be REAL nice to have access to those here.

I know. I think it actually downloads data each time it boots. I get the feeling this in some way ties into SDV where data is sent for each "stream".

My box rebooted this afternoon. Took forever because it came up wrong. The guide and DVR list did not work at all. I just has analog channels(I was able to watch Racheal Ray on channel 3 but not 403). Eventually it went back to normal, but it was strange.

If you were able to watch analog cable, why won't this Navigator box boot? Unless where you are doesn't use Navigator?

If you were able to watch analog cable, why won't this Navigator box boot? Unless where you are doesn't use Navigator?

Actually, at the time that I had tried this, which was only once, it was one of those rarities where all QAM services (digital cable, HSI, etc..) were dead but analog channels were still coming in fine and I had rebooted the box in an attempt to fix it. About the time I noticed the progress bar was stuck on passport, I hit exit and it kicked over to a watered down passport interface with a guide with no data, channel labels, logos, etc. It would only let me enter double digit channels and it'd tune into those analogs.

You can do almost the same with navigator, though I don't think the OCAP section will boot without a headend signal. And even then, once it gets to booting Mystro and you hit exit, it REALLY dumbs down to just about nothing. Real basic 80s era gui constantly saying 'this function not available' or some junk on every button press. no dvr functions, recordings locked out...

And actually, where I'm at now doesn't even have cable hookup available or else I would have definitely brought it along to try. :P

Cox Cleveland just add Big 10 HD to the list. It's up and running showing an old game with sidebars.


Just got home and saw that. I didn't even know Cox made a deal
Its Channel 62 on Sd and 724 on HD

Just in time for the season

Actually, at the time that I had tried this, which was only once, it was one of those rarities where all QAM services (digital cable, HSI, etc..) were dead but analog channels were still coming in fine and I had rebooted the box in an attempt to fix it. About the time I noticed the progress bar was stuck on passport, I hit exit and it kicked over to a watered down passport interface with a guide with no data, channel labels, logos, etc. It would only let me enter double digit channels and it'd tune into those analogs.

You can do almost the same with navigator, though I don't think the OCAP section will boot without a headend signal. And even then, once it gets to booting Mystro and you hit exit, it REALLY dumbs down to just about nothing. Real basic 80s era gui. no dvr functions, recordings locked out...

And actually, where I'm at now doesn't even have cable hookup available.

Ahhhh, I get it. I've done that to since I discovered it. Sometimes just the digital services wouldn't work so I found it easier to just hit Vol+/-*INFO on the front of the box and hit EXIT at the Passport screen. Much better than unhooking/rehooking everything up.

This probably wouldn't work at all on some of the newer OCAP HDC boxes, since they do not have the analog tuning component. Many of the new boxes are now made without analog tuning capabilities(which makes them less expensive). Since those of us in existing TWC areas have all-digital cable they could use those boxes. And OCAP is a major PITA! :mad::mad: I had the displeasure of using an OCRAP box for a few weeks last year and that was one of the problems-it wouldn't boot past the OCAP screen(usually with OCAP or E-13 on front). Anyway, that box went back(chained to my bumper[for hookbill]:p) and I was able to get one of the last new 8300HD boxes(without OCAP).

I had the dumbed down Mystro(jeez, if Mystro Navigator were any dumber it would have to wear a helmet 24/7 in a padded room :D) with just analog channels, but it came back about 10 minutes later.

I find the "old" font funny especially on the older Pioneer boxes. The IPG/UI looks like an old 80s video game.

Remember what I said about airing the Olympics on WKYC-DT2 during the browns game last weekend? WOIO is doing it this Saturday for Tennis since they are airing a Stephanie Tubbs Jones funeral from 11-1pm. I find it odd that they are dumping Tennis to their 24 HOUR NEWS AND WEATHER CHANNEL. I'd think that it would make more sense to air the funeral on WOIO-2.

Yeah. I'm EXTREMELY tempted to try and swap my 8300HDC for an 8300HD once I can get the dvr list dwindled to expendable shows. My aunt's still got her 8300(SD) with Mystro and it runs circles around the HDC in speed and it so far seems to not be ball-and-chained by the OCAP garbage.

Just got home and saw that. I didn't even know Cox made a deal
Its Channel 62 on Sd and 724 on HD

Just in time for the season

Still no appearance on TWC. I'd say it will come later tonight. They added USA HD (RIP) on a Friday morning as well.

Thanks for the reply. I don't know the brand or model of the antena. I got if from Lowes a few years ago. It is approx 6 ft long and has 6 'branches' coming out of it.

The trees are next door to us so about 50-70 feet away. The roof is on the 2nd story roof. I don't know what type trees... I am pointing a few degrees to one side of the trees.
How do I address multipath interference or FM interference?
Multipath intereference is mainly controled by having a non-omnidirectional antenna. Also as the antenna probably has different directional sensitivities for different channels, the rotor may help tweak each channel with the multipath issue. A pre-amp, which you said you don't have, usually has an FM trap on it, plus it will improve your signal, so maybe you should look into one.

New slogan ad campaign:

Tivo: Leave the thinking to us!! :p

(since it "reads your mind" and decides what to record)

Isn't that the same as TW thinks like you do?:)

I agree, I never use it but many people love it. It's suppose to be "intuitive" but the fact is that it just "categorizes" your ratings and anything you give a thumbs up to, it will record.

TiVo actually allows you to rate how much you like a program by giving int 1,2, or 3 thumbs up. Now every once in a while I'll take a look at what is on the suggestions list and if I see something interesting I may record it.

Yeah. I'm EXTREMELY tempted to try and swap my 8300HDC for an 8300HD once I can get the dvr list dwindled to expendable shows. My aunt's still got her 8300(SD) with Mystro and it runs circles around the HDC in speed and it so far seems to not be ball-and-chained by the OCAP garbage.

8300 SD? No such animal. You mean she has the SA 8300 but just doesn't have HD service, correct?

And what is Mystro? I'm not familiar with that.

8300 SD? No such animal. You mean she has the SA 8300 but just doesn't have HD service, correct?

And what is Mystro? I'm not familiar with that.

Yes. That is why I put the (SD) in parenthesis to differentiate that. ;)

Where's the Big Ten Network? It's not on digital 333 or 77. And analog TVs without the box just show fuzz snow on channel 77.

Why do I get the feeling this is another temporary channel? TWC did the same thing with USA. It was added when it HAD to be and it looks like they are doing the same with BTN.

Where's the Big Ten Network? It's not on digital 333 or 77. And analog TVs without the box just show fuzz snow on channel 77.

Why do I get the feeling this is another temporary channel? TWC did the same thing with USA. It was added when it HAD to be and it looks like they are doing the same with BTN.

Quit being so paranoid. TWC did not do the same thing with USA. They said it was temporary for the Olympics, we just HOPED it wasn't. From hope it became permanent.

You know nickdawg I'm not going to defend TWC but dude, calm down, you're like a kid sitting in front of the package he can't open until the next day.

You will get it tomorrow. In the meantime have a beer, valium, or something to calm yourself down.;)

They said it will be available in time for the start of the Buckeyes game on Saturday.

You know nickdawg I'm not going to defend TWC but dude, calm down, you're like a kid sitting in front of the package he can't open until the next day.

You will get it tomorrow. In the meantime have a beer, valium, or something to calm yourself down.;)

You know me better than I thought, a bit creepy. Like Tivo knowing what to record by itself :p! Must be rubbing off on its users or something...

I am excited. Not just for Ohio State but for the Zips on the secondary channel(334). You see I'm also a Zips fan so I'll have to find something to delete so I can DVR the second game. And when are they going to add this channel? At 6AM again? 15 minutes before the game? These boxes are funny and they don't always take changes right away. When they added another channel only one of my boxes got it right away. The older one in the bedroom didn't.

You know me better than I thought, a bit creepy. Like Tivo knowing what to record by itself :p! Must be rubbing off on its users or something...

I am excited. Not just for Ohio State but for the Zips on the secondary channel(334). You see I'm also a Zips fan so I'll have to find something to delete so I can DVR the second game. And when are they going to add this channel? At 6AM again? 15 minutes before the game? These boxes are funny and they don't always take changes right away. When they added another channel only one of my boxes got it right away. The older one in the bedroom didn't.

They have to send a hit out to the cable card (s). That happened with the CW, my TiVo HD got it but my S3 didn't. And when they added USA HD I didn't get it until I called and had them hit my cards.

Fortunately I have that contact at headend. That's a big help when stuff like that happens.

They have to send a hit out to the cable card (s). That happened with the CW, my TiVo HD got it but my S3 didn't. And when they added USA HD I didn't get it until I called and had them hit my cards.

Fortunately I have that contact at headend. That's a big help when stuff like that happens.

Yah, that OCAP box I had last year was like that too. Whenever they added any channels or changed something, I'd have to reboot it to get the changes. Each time it booted it connected to the head end so it would usually get the changes. Although I had to wait a day for TBS before the Indians game for the channel to be added. Non-OCAP Navigator has worked OK, the changes for USA came overnight and the channel was removed without rebooting.

You see I'm also a Zips fan so I'll have to find something to delete so I can DVR the second game. And when are they going to add this channel? At 6AM again? 15 minutes before the game? These boxes are funny and they don't always take changes right away. When they added another channel only one of my boxes got it right away. The older one in the bedroom didn't.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what the heck is a Zip?

(SIGH) :hand on forehead:

http://www.feartheroo.net/rooimg.jpg

A Zip is the University of Akron's football (http://www.gozips.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10800&KEY=&SPID=4319&SPSID=47122) team. Actually I should say all the athletics teams, not just football. The mascot, Zippy the Kangaroo, was the Capital One Mascot of the Year earlier this year. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS48598+01-Jan-2008+BW20080101

http://media.ohio.com/images/270*413/zippy.jpg

http://media.ohio.com/images/270*250/zippy11.jpg

http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/ncaa_logos/akron_logo_2003.gif

CRAP!! That post would be so much better if my pictures had actually shown up instead of just being links. :mad:

(SIGH) :hand on forehead:

http://www.feartheroo.net/rooimg.jpg

A Zip is the University of Akron's football (http://www.gozips.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10800&KEY=&SPID=4319&SPSID=47122) team. Actually I should say all the athletics teams, not just football. The mascot, Zippy the Kangaroo, was the Capital One Mascot of the Year earlier this year. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS48598+01-Jan-2008+BW20080101

http://media.ohio.com/images/270*413/zippy.jpg

http://media.ohio.com/images/270*250/zippy11.jpg

http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/ncaa_logos/akron_logo_2003.gif


Oh. Now I see why you're so excited. I mean, who wouldn't want to miss the Capitol One Mascot of the Year!!!:rolleyes:

What's in YOUR wallet!?!
Is that a Kangaroo in your pocket, or...

:D

Akron, OH (AUGUST 2008) – Time Warner Cable customers will be able to watch this Saturday’s Ohio State University football game in high-definition on channel 433. This announcement follows yesterday’s news that Time Warner Cable will carry the Big Ten Network in standard-definition on channel 77 and 333.

Time Warner Cable will also offer customers an additional Big Ten Network channel that will air out-of-market games when an in-market game is on at the same time. That channel will be located at 334. This Saturday, the out-of-market game will be the University of Akron versus the University of Wisconsin, at 12 noon, the same time as the Ohio State game.

More information on channel lineups can be found at www.twcguide.com or through the on-screen guide.

In addition to this weekend’s Ohio State University game versus Youngstown State, Big Ten Network is also scheduled to broadcast the September 20th Buckeyes game against Troy University.

For more information about Time Warner Cable, please visit www.twcneo.com.

Channel 433(interesting that 432 is still open, ESPNU-HD anyone?). I wish there would be a channel 434 so I could see the Zips in HD as well. But I'm just glad I get to see it at all, unlike last year.

Channel 433(interesting that 432 is still open, ESPNU-HD anyone?). I wish there would be a channel 434 so I could see the Zips in HD as well. But I'm just glad I get to see it at all, unlike last year.

zzzzzzzz.......zzzzzzz........zzzzzzz

Someone please wake me if nickdawg says something interesting. Like USAHD on 450, FXHD on 451.

For all you guys, TiVo informed me that it had detected a new channel, BIGOHIO, channel 333 but my guide has it listed on 333 and 334, and all I have is a gray screen.

There is no listing for an HD channel at this time. Other box/DVR owneres YMMV.

For all you guys, TiVo informed me that it had detected a new channel, BIGOHIO, channel 333 but my guide has it listed on 333 and 334, and all I have is a gray screen.

There is no listing for an HD channel at this time. Other box/DVR owneres YMMV.


I am getting Big Ten Network on Channel 77 on analog, but only by inputing 7-7 on my TV..

I am getting Big Ten Network on Channel 77 on analog, but only by inputing 7-7 on my TV..

So am I. Getting it fine via analog. Nothing on any of our boxes yet for digital.

I have the BTN on 77 and 433, but no 333 or 334.

My upstairs TV (TiVo HD) now has 333, 334, and 434. My downstairs TiVo does not have anything.

My guide does not show 434, I punched it in and it's there.

And fwiw my Guide still shows USA HD on 450, no data and no picture but it's still on the guide.

No Tribe game on TV today? I thought it was a Fox Saturday game given the time is 3:55pm ET, but it's not on Fox (Fox is showing Phillies/Cubs at an unusual start time of 3:30pm ET). Not showing in the guide for STO, either.

Herrrrrrrrreeee come the BUCKEYES!:D
As for the Tribe, I looked on their website, and there is no televised affiliate mentioned in the schedule. So maybe it's not on tv at all? Weird...

Showing up on channel 77...

Channels 333 (PSU) and 334 (OSU)

and 433 (OSU in HD)..

guess we don't get ALL the games being show in big 10..but at least its something.

Herrrrrrrrreeee come the BUCKEYES!:D
As for the Tribe, I looked on their website, and there is no televised affiliate mentioned in the schedule. So maybe it's not on tv at all? Weird...

was suppose to be part of Fox National game of the week.as the 2 power houses Seattle and Tribe square off..but something happened once the season started and STO or any local channels can't show the game..and Fox isn't showing it either

if they could have moved it to 7pm then..STO would have been able to show it

Herrrrrrrrreeee come the BUCKEYES!:D
As for the Tribe, I looked on their website, and there is no televised affiliate mentioned in the schedule. So maybe it's not on tv at all? Weird...

Does MLB have the "sell out" rule? Game must be sold out to air locally? With the Tribe in the tank maybe they are not selling all seats.

I don't follow baseball so I have no clue what the rules are (on the field and off). :D

No Tribe game on TV today? I thought it was a Fox Saturday game given the time is 3:55pm ET, but it's not on Fox (Fox is showing Phillies/Cubs at an unusual start time of 3:30pm ET). Not showing in the guide for STO, either.

This nonsense with the Fox exclusive window on Saturday has got to stop. From what I understand the Fox scumbags intentionally start the games 5 minutes to 4pm (at 3:55) so they also screw the 1pm - 4pm "window" games from being telecast on MLB Extra Innings.

Does MLB have the "sell out" rule? Game must be sold out to air locally? With the Tribe in the tank maybe they are not selling all seats.

I don't follow baseball so I have no clue what the rules are (on the field and off). :D

No MLB does not have the sell out rule. As ErieMarty has said, I'm sure it's because of this stupid exclusive window Fox has with MLB on Saturday afternoons. There's a window from 1-4pm and another at 4pm - 7pm. So Fox cleverly schedules their games at 3:55pm to cover both.

Maybe it's changed but when I had an MLB.TV subscription to watch games online, Fox even blacked THOSE games out. Thus I cancelled my MLB.TV subscription.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what the heck is a Zip?

Nickdawg didn't go into the history behind Zips, Zippy, Kangaroo etc. Akron was the "birthplace" of vulcanized rubber and the tire companies. The staduim were the U of A football team plays (until the new one is built right on the university) is know as the rubber bowl. While I don't know all the history behind it; rubber/bouncy, kangaroo/bouncy, is how the mascott came about I think. Now don't ask me how we got the Akron Aeros!

No MLB does not have the sell out rule. As ErieMarty has said, I'm sure it's because of this stupid exclusive window Fox has with MLB on Saturday afternoons. There's a window from 1-4pm and another at 4pm - 7pm. So Fox cleverly schedules their games at 3:55pm to cover both.

Maybe it's changed but when I had an MLB.TV subscription to watch games online, Fox even blacked THOSE games out. Thus I cancelled my MLB.TV subscription.

According to the tribes website (http://mlb.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=cle) the game will be on MLB TV. Due to the FOX telecast, no regular television.

Nickdawg didn't go into the history behind Zips, Zippy, Kangaroo etc. Akron was the "birthplace" of vulcanized rubber and the tire companies. The staduim were the U of A football team plays (until the new one is built right on the university) is know as the rubber bowl. While I don't know all the history behind it; rubber/bouncy, kangaroo/bouncy, is how the mascott came about I think. Now don't ask me how we got the Akron Aeros!

Rubber Bowl? lol. A picture of a bowl full of condoms comes to mind.:D

I don't know if that term is still used but when I was a kid condoms were called rubbers.

Anyway, unfortunately for nickdawg he will just get his digital version of the Akron game, which to me looks like great pq.

No Dolby 5.1? That sucks.

Football is really great in HD, and even though I'm not a college fan I will watch but 5.1 really makes you feel you're at the game. Come on B10HD, get with it.

The Akron game from earlier is on in HD now. Is it just me or is the PQ total ass on this channel? I'd swear I was watching 16:9 digital rather than HD. It's blurry swampy looking and there's mad macroblocking on action(which is every other shot). TWC's overcompressing of HD channels to pack them in is really showing. Maybe they shouldn't have added channel 77 for the analog only a--holes :mad:

The Akron game from earlier is on in HD now. Is it just me or is the PQ total ass on this channel? I'd swear I was watching 16:9 digital rather than HD. It's blurry swampy looking and there's mad macroblocking on action(which is every other shot). TWC's overcompressing of HD channels to pack them in is really showing. Maybe they shouldn't have added channel 77 for the analog only a--holes :mad:

I was watching the OSU game earlier in the day and the HD Quality looked good to me.

Maybe the Akron game wasn't shot in HD but Big 10 Network is still showing it on their HD channel

Just a thought

I was watching the OSU game earlier in the day and the HD Quality looked good to me.

Maybe the Akron game wasn't shot in HD but Big 10 Network is still showing it on their HD channel

Just a thought

If that was the case it would have looked like stretch o vision or had bars. nickdawg, did you catch the Akron game live on digital? I thought the pq was outstanding and you could really see the difference in pq on the OSU digital vs the analog version (which you don't get anyway.)

My complaint of course is no Dolby 5.1. To me that is such a huge part of the Football experience.

No MLB does not have the sell out rule. As ErieMarty has said, I'm sure it's because of this stupid exclusive window Fox has with MLB on Saturday afternoons. There's a window from 1-4pm and another at 4pm - 7pm. So Fox cleverly schedules their games at 3:55pm to cover both.


Clever indeed, but not for the reasons you suspect.

Being a former L.A. person those games coming on at 1:00 are much better then at 10:00 am.

One of the things that I really don't like about living out here is the fact that when you have major sports events, things I want to watch live is they start so darn late to accomodate the West Coast. Like the All Star Game, or World Series. It doesn't get started until almost 9:00 pm out here, but at 6:00 pm on the West Coast you have enough time out there to get home from work, turn the game on and watch the whole thing. Even if it goes into extra innings you still will get to bed by 11:00 pm. And don't even think about recording it out here, someone or somehow you will find out the score before you get to it.

Watching football out there is better as well, you get up at 9:00 you got your pregame on, game starts at 10:00 am, next game at 1:30 pm and if you want you can catch Sunday night football at 5:30 pm. That still leaves time for prime time shows which all start on time.

IMHO major networks would do themselves a favor if they started these games at 7:00 pm.est. Yes you would lose a small portion of the viewers from the West Coast for an hour or so, but many will leave early and everyone tunes in around 6:00 out there. With the games so late out here I don't bother to tune in at all.

Question for the people with Dish Network:
On non-HD channels do you get the little black lines inbetween the bars on the side and the picture of the program I am asking because my dad and I have the same CRT-RPTV and he has direct tv and those black lines caused screen burn in.

If that was the case it would have looked like stretch o vision or had bars. nickdawg, did you catch the Akron game live on digital? I thought the pq was outstanding and you could really see the difference in pq on the OSU digital vs the analog version (which you don't get anyway.)

My complaint of course is no Dolby 5.1. To me that is such a huge part of the Football experience.

The replay on the HD channel was not stretched or bars, everything looked 16:9(even the graphics were towards the middle to be 4:3 safe). The picture looked blurry and there was macroblocking(breaking up into squares) whenever there is any action or even when graphics were flashy.

It's on again tomorrow at 1PM.

So hook, you're getting a digital and analog version? That's good news, maybe they're starting digital simulcast.

So hook, you're getting a digital and analog version? That's good news, maybe they're starting digital simulcast.

Channel 77 is analog here, I assumed since you say all your channels are digital if you do get 77 then it would be the same as 333.

They said all along that it would be on expanded basic so for those people in your area that don't have digital capability they must be seeing analog. If your seeing it it's probably upgraded analog to digital. 333 is not a mirror of 77, it's dolby 2.0. and pq indicates better quality so I think it's a seperate signal.

I posted about this over in the main forum and I heard that they didn't have the HD truck for the Akron/Wisconsin game. It was 16:9 digital, which explains everything. The game on now looks fantastic.

That's good news that they're using that digital feed. Sounds like they might not have everything set up for digital simulcast so they're still sending analog on 77. Here they're using the digital feed for both and converting it for analog.

I've noticed over time that I've lost that "wow" feeling that HD gave me the first time I saw it. I got it again when I got my LG720 LCD 37" display but as time has gone on I just kind of stopped thinking about it.

So today, with no other sporting events on that I'm interested in I turn on WGN which is on analog channel 13.

Oh my God what a horrible picture. Can this be what is was like before? I watch other analog channels like FX and USA but this, is horrible!

Did I really watch TV that looked like this?

nickdawg, check it out on the digital upgrade. What have you got?

Can this be what is was like before?
Did I really watch TV that looked like this?


I think analog signals look worse on digital Tv's than on analog TV's. Something to do with the contrast and brightness settings I would guess. After all they were made to display digital signals. I bet if I pulled out my old 27" RCA console that is still tucked away in the basement, it would look better than the analog signal on my new Phillips. Unfortunately, the RCA (20 years old) would have probably outlasted the Phillips (3 years old), and cost half as much too:rolleyes:.

I think analog signals look worse on digital Tv's than on analog TV's. Something to do with the contrast and brightness settings I would guess. After all they were made to display digital signals. I bet if I pulled out my old 27" RCA console that is still tucked away in the basement, it would look better than the analog signal on my new Phillips. Unfortunately, the RCA (20 years old) would have probably outlasted the Phillips (3 years old), and cost half as much too:rolleyes:.

Two points. First, if you recall in my post I said other analog channels didn't look that bad. And basically what happens is my TiVo converts the signal to digital 480p otherwise HDMI would hardly be affective.

I notice during the commercials it didn't appear as bad as the actual game so I don't know. All I do know is that game looked awful.

Anybody else had a lot of break-up and glitches from channel 19 HD the last few days? I get it through Cox, the STB has a lot of stutter and the TV tuner can't always find a signal.

Using the Zenith DTT900 and the Terk HDTVa Indoor antenna, I pulled in Columbus for the first time this morning..WBNS-10, WTTE-28 and WSFJ-51 all came in for awhile, as well as KDKA-2 and WPMY-22 Pittsburgh and WTOV-9 Steubenville..

Using the Zenith DTT900 and the Terk HDTVa Indoor antenna, I pulled in Columbus for the first time this morning..WBNS-10, WTTE-28 and WSFJ-51 all came in for awhile, as well as KDKA-2 and WPMY-22 Pittsburgh and WTOV-9 Steubenville..

wow! if you don't mind me asking:
where in your house is the antenna, how well do you receive the Cleveland stations, and where are you located in Canton?

This Saturday, the out-of-market game will be the University of Akron versus the University of Wisconsin, at 12 noon, the same time as the Ohio State game.Kinda ironic that an Akron game is considered "out of market". Only one BTN "alt. channel" on cable!?! With satellite, you get all the BTN feeds in SD & HD on alternate channels.

I have the hicups too with a signal strength of 98 but it is a hugely rapid fade that causes the not quite dropout but sometimes loose everything. Speculating antenna trouble or transmitter trouble as everybody else is OK. Then again this is the fab digital age. This is with a Sony 46XBR2 side by side with a Sony 37XBR6.
JJK

I've noticed over time that I've lost that "wow" feeling that HD gave me the first time I saw it. I got it again when I got my LG720 LCD 37" display but as time has gone on I just kind of stopped thinking about it.

So today, with no other sporting events on that I'm interested in I turn on WGN which is on analog channel 13.

Oh my God what a horrible picture. Can this be what is was like before? I watch other analog channels like FX and USA but this, is horrible!

Did I really watch TV that looked like this?

nickdawg, check it out on the digital upgrade. What have you got?

Everything over 15 looks better. Everything under 15 looks like ass. The "digital" locals are the worst. I recorded Prison Break on WJW SD last night and it looked about the quality of You Tube. The colors didn't even look right. The regular analog channel without the box actually looks better. Plus FOX started letterboxing like NBC and blowing it up to fit 16:9 made it even worse.

WORST:
1. WBNX
2. Ch 29/35 (low power independent-cable 14)
3. WJW
4. WNEO
5. WVIZ
6. WLDI

The cable networks look better. I think TWC is getting digital feeds for many of them now or else they're outputting better than the locals. Although some tend to look a bit overcompressed(I noticed it alot on FSN).

2. Ch 29/35 (low power independent-cable 14)


Don't be so quick to blame TWC on this one. I'm pretty sure "The CAT" gets its video equipment from the Radio Shack across the street from their radio studios (WNIR). OK, so maybe they don't, but it's close.


6. WLDI


That's WDLI/17 Canton, which shouldn't be technically deficient, and TWC can use (if they care) its DT signal at 4:3...

The WOW Basic HD lineup is adding six channels on 9/16. Moving down from the "HD Pak" tier are Food Network HD, HGTV HD, and National Geographic HD. New channels include FX HD, Fox News HD, and History Channel HD.

No announcements regarding the HD Pak tier, other than the price going down to $7.99/mo. All that appears to be left are HDNet, HD Theater, HDNet Movies, Wealth TV HD, and NFL Network HD (does not include games).

The WOW Basic HD lineup is adding six channels on 9/16. Moving down from the "HD Pak" tier are Food Network HD, HGTV HD, and National Geographic HD. New channels include FX HD, Fox News HD, and History Channel HD.

No announcements regarding the HD Pak tier, other than the price going down to $7.99/mo. All that appears to be left are HDNet, HD Theater, HDNet Movies, Wealth TV HD, and NFL Network HD (does not include games).

TW's HD Tier Pack is a total of 4 stations, Mojo, Hdnet, Hdnet Movies, and Discovery HD.

And you're getting FXHD just in time for the Shield! Why don't you just open the wound and pour salt in it.

I hate you.:p

Not really, just jealous.;)

wow! if you don't mind me asking:
where in your house is the antenna, how well do you receive the Cleveland stations, and where are you located in Canton?

I am located in the Wertz/9th Street Southwest neighborhood roughly in between Aultman Hospital and Giant Eagle/Raff Road. I have a 12 year old Sharp 13 inch TV in my computer room with the antenna in front of a North facing window..The most consistent digital signals..

17 WDLI Canton (39)
21 WFMJ Youngstown (20)
27 WKBN Youngstown (41)
49 WEAO Akron (50)
67 WOAC Canton (47)

Cleveland is pretty much hit or miss for me. At various times, I receive

5 WEWS (15)
8 WJW (31)
55 WBNX (30)
61 WQHS (34)

43 WUAB (28) Ive seen once

Never have I seen

3 WKYC (2-Which is why I never see 3 because of their current digital allocation)

19 WOIO (10-Again-VHF and weak signal)

25 WVIZ (26) Flea Powered

One other channel I get fairly consistently is WOUC-44 (35) PBS in Cambridge, though not every night.

I also can get WNEO-45 (46) depending on antenna placement

If I get anything out of the area its usually early morning or late night.

Don't be so quick to blame TWC on this one. I'm pretty sure "The CAT" gets its video equipment from the Radio Shack across the street from their radio studios (WNIR). OK, so maybe they don't, but it's close.

The lousy analog picture is no doubt the station's fault. But TWC makes it worse by "converting" that awful analog signal to digital. The analog signal is bad enough looking with interference and horizontal lines in the picture. Then they make it fake digital which usually leads to pixellation. Plus the picture tends to have a "flickery" effect to it.

I was looking forward to the DTV transition since it originally meant certain death to low power TV stations. No such luck, as they get an extension...

That's WDLI/17 Canton, which shouldn't be technically deficient, and TWC can use (if they care) its DT signal at 4:3...

As of right now, TWC is still using SD fiber feeds from the stations. I don't think they have switched to downconverting and center cutting the HD feeds yet. Only some satellite providers are currently doing that. My guess is TWC will wait until the evening of February 16, 2009 to make the switch to downconvert HD broadcasting. :p

And you're getting FXHD just in time for the Shield! Why don't you just open the wound and pour salt in it.


Ehh, the Shield is still the same old SD as always anyway. It was actually kind of hard to watch tonight. But mainly because -- even though it's been the best show on TV for years -- I no longer care. They've just waited too long. :mad:

The WOW Basic HD lineup is adding six channels on 9/16. Moving down from the "HD Pak" tier are Food Network HD, HGTV HD, and National Geographic HD. New channels include FX HD, Fox News HD, and History Channel HD.

No announcements regarding the HD Pak tier, other than the price going down to $7.99/mo. All that appears to be left are HDNet, HD Theater, HDNet Movies, Wealth TV HD, and NFL Network HD (does not include games).

TWC is the scum of the earth!!!!

Seriously. I bet if Adelphia still existed today they would be smoking TWC in the number of HD channels.

But on the other hand, WOW really sucks since they are charging $8 for those stupid channels. That HD Ripoff Tier is about $6.95 on TWC. That much for four sucky channels, no thanks.

As of right now, TWC is still using SD fiber feeds from the stations. I don't think they have switched to downconverting and center cutting the HD feeds yet. Only some satellite providers are currently doing that. My guess is TWC will wait until the evening of February 16, 2009 to make the switch to downconvert HD broadcasting. :p

In the case of WDLI/17, it doesn't matter, at least now. WDLI's main TBN feed (17-1) is already in 4:3 480i...though I think the TBN folks do plan an HD feed at SOME point, I'm pretty sure it isn't up yet (I don't really spend any time watching it).

I doubt there's a fiber feed from WDLI's digital facility near Akron's Rolling Acres Mall to TWC. The bad analog picture is likely a direct pickup from the analog OTA Channel 17 transmitter, which I believe is still out in Louisville.

Even if I'm wrong in that guess, analog 17 goes away at the transition.

In the case of WDLI/17, it doesn't matter, at least now. WDLI's main TBN feed (17-1) is already in 4:3 480i...though I think the TBN folks do plan an HD feed at SOME point, I'm pretty sure it isn't up yet (I don't really spend any time watching it).

I doubt there's a fiber feed from WDLI's digital facility near Akron's Rolling Acres Mall to TWC. The bad analog picture is likely a direct pickup from the analog OTA Channel 17 transmitter, which I believe is still out in Louisville.

Even if I'm wrong in that guess, analog 17 goes away at the transition.

Correct. WDLI will be on their new digital channel(39 I believe) after the transition. WKYC will be moving to digital 17. If they do ever plan an HD feed(I don't know why it would matter for that channel, but it could happen) the HD end will look like crap. I've pulled 17 in OTA and they have four multicast channels plus the regular feed on DT1.

I think you're right about how they receive it. I don't watch this channel ever but flipping through I've seen WDLI "out" as in a black screen with static noise. Seems like that would be an OTA thing. I just flipped over now. Terrible PQ. Ghosting on text and even faces. Then I went to channel 391(TWC added TBN cable feed) and it's night and day. Eventually TWC will have to switch to a downconversion of digital(or in this case, pass the digital 4:3 through untouched) since those analog channels will be going away, especially if they're getting it OTA. I think it's only the bigger networks that get direct feeds, or are they OTA as well?

I doubt there's a fiber feed from WDLI's digital facility near Akron's Rolling Acres Mall to TWC. The bad analog picture is likely a direct pickup from the analog OTA Channel 17 transmitter, which I believe is still out in Louisville.


Out of curiosity, does anyone know the current operating status of the WDLI facility out on Route 62? I drive by the place fairly often, and it looks like a deserted transmitter site - the "WDLI Channel 17" sign has been removed, and there are rarely cars in the parking lot.

Eventually TWC will have to switch to a downconversion of digital(or in this case, pass the digital 4:3 through untouched) since those analog channels will be going away, especially if they're getting it OTA. I think it's only the bigger networks that get direct feeds, or are they OTA as well?

Most of the major local stations have a direct fiber feed to the big local cable systems. This gives them A) more flexibility, and B) the ability to stay "on the air" on cable even if the transmitter has problems. I'm pretty sure 3/5/8 are fed this way, and I'm not sure about 19/43.

Others, the cable system picks up off the air. I'm pretty sure stations like WBNX are picked up off air. And I know somewhere in here, we determined that the former Adelphia-now-TWC Cleveland was even picking up the puny signal of WVIZ-DT off air...using those big antennas they have at the headend, of course :)

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the current operating status of the WDLI facility out on Route 62? I drive by the place fairly often, and it looks like a deserted transmitter site - the "WDLI Channel 17" sign has been removed, and there are rarely cars in the parking lot.

As far as I know, it's basically an unattended transmitter site now, being operated out of TBN/WDLI's new local studio complex on Rt. 261, just north of Rolling Acres Mall.

Take I-77, get off at Vernon Odom Blvd. (Wooster Road), go up the hill, turn right at 261, and it's about a mile or less down the road on the left. The place looks like a palace from the outside, and is very clearly marked with Trinity's name. It's at the foot of their own tower, which is massive.

I'm assuming they remote control the 17 transmitter from there. I know WDLI had an application to move analog 17 to that site, but it's basically a moot point now.

DIRECTV and TiVo to Launch New HD DIRECTV DVR with TiVo Service
Wednesday September 3, 7:00 am ET

EL SEGUNDO and ALVISO, Calif., Sept. 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- DIRECTV, Inc. (Nasdaq: DTV - News), the nation's leading satellite television service provider, and TiVo Inc. (Nasdaq: TIVO - News), the creator of and a leader in television services for digital video recorders (DVR), announced today that they have extended their current agreement, which includes the development, marketing and distribution of a new HD DIRECTV DVR featuring the TiVo® service, as well as the extension of mutual intellectual property arrangements.


http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=138443

Most of the major local stations have a direct fiber feed to the big local cable systems. This gives them A) more flexibility, and B) the ability to stay "on the air" on cable even if the transmitter has problems. I'm pretty sure 3/5/8 are fed this way, and I'm not sure about 19/43.

Others, the cable system picks up off the air. I'm pretty sure stations like WBNX are picked up off air. And I know somewhere in here, we determined that the former Adelphia-now-TWC Cleveland was even picking up the puny signal of WVIZ-DT off air...using those big antennas they have at the headend, of course :)

Makes sense that the "big three" stations are fiber feed. I remember reading here that WEWS was having problems and it only happened on TWC and someone even commented that WEWS was fixing the problems with the HD feed to TWC. It's been working great since then.

I think WVIZ still may be OTA. Flipping through I've seen WVIZ and it's multicast channels "out". WNEO usually works fine although it used to have some stuttering/freezing problems. WBNX is a toss up. I've seen freezing, stuttering and pixelation some times, mostly when it was first added. WBNX may be a direct fiber feed since back in the fall of 2006 they said something about having a HD feed on cable before it would be available OTA. But of course that never happened...

DIRECTV and TiVo to Launch New HD DIRECTV DVR with TiVo Service
Wednesday September 3, 7:00 am ET

EL SEGUNDO and ALVISO, Calif., Sept. 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- DIRECTV, Inc. (Nasdaq: DTV - News), the nation's leading satellite television service provider, and TiVo Inc. (Nasdaq: TIVO - News), the creator of and a leader in television services for digital video recorders (DVR), announced today that they have extended their current agreement, which includes the development, marketing and distribution of a new HD DIRECTV DVR featuring the TiVo® service, as well as the extension of mutual intellectual property arrangements.


http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=138443

That should make a whole lot of DTV people very happy.:)

TW's HD Tier Pack is a total of 4 stations, Mojo, Hdnet, Hdnet Movies, and Discovery HD.

And you're getting FXHD just in time for the Shield! Why don't you just open the wound and pour salt in it.

I hate you.:p

Not really, just jealous.;)
If it makes you feel any better, I'll be watching it on an 8300HDC SARA box. :)

If it makes you feel any better, I'll be watching it on an 8300HDC SARA box. :)

You have a box with SARA!!! Why don't you just open the wound and pour salt in it.

Now I hate you. :p

Not really, just jealous. ;)

You're lucky it's not Navigator. I WISH we had SARA!!

But I wouldn't take a HDC box if it was the last box on earth. ;):p

You have a box with SARA!!! Why don't you just open the wound and pour salt in it.

Now I hate you. :p

Not really, just jealous. ;)

You're lucky it's not Navigator. I WISH we had SARA!!

But I wouldn't take a HDC box if it was the last box on earth. ;):p

I'd open up the SARA box and pour salt in the worthless pos.

And in an HDC box? Maybe it works in those boxes.:D

nickdawg you should be jealous of me. I have a TiVo S3 and a TiVo HD.

Did you not see the post about Direct TV signing up with TiVo? Do you know why? Because despite the fact that they have all the HD service in the world they have a huge bunch of customers, I was one of them, who had Direct-TiVos who got p.o.'d and went to CABLE so they could have a TiVo!

Not only that, this time they are going to give it full TiVo features. When I had it in 2004 the charge for their TiVo DVR was 4.00 a month and had dual recording features! With cable it was 12.00 and at that time TiVo on cable could only record one show at a time. Then along came Rupert Murdock who just about ruined the company, almost sold it to Dish, and dumped TiVo.

If I only had a line of site......Naw, the wife would kill me. Then divorce me.

I'd open up the SARA box and pour salt in the worthless pos.

And in an HDC box? Maybe it works in those boxes.:D

nickdawg you should be jealous of me. I have a TiVo S3 and a TiVo HD.

Did you not see the post about Direct TV signing up with TiVo? Do you know why? Because despite the fact that they have all the HD service in the world they have a huge bunch of customers, I was one of them, who had Direct-TiVos who got p.o.'d and went to CABLE so they could have a TiVo!

Not only that, this time they are going to give it full TiVo features. When I had it in 2004 the charge for their TiVo DVR was 4.00 a month and had dual recording features! With cable it was 12.00 and at that time TiVo on cable could only record one show at a time. Then along came Rupert Murdock who just about ruined the company, almost sold it to Dish, and dumped TiVo.

If I only had a line of site......Naw, the wife would kill me. Then divorce me.

What a shock!!! Mr. Rupert (ARRRR) Murdoch ruined things. :rolleyes: He's bastard, for reasons other than this.

Moving on, in 2004 I had a DVR for $4.95 complete with dual tuning recording.

Right now I'd be willing to have my entire hard drive nuked if it was necessary to install SARA. :p

Hey Guys - all kidding aside, what's the genesis of the beef with the HDC and SARA? For an extra $5 per month over the cost of an HD tuner box, I get dual tuners, simple program recording (including first run-only for TV series) decent upscaling of 480i content for non-HD channels, and very good HD quality. I can even add an external HDD if I want to increase recording capacity.

For the first couple of weeks I had it, playback was sometimes choppy on some recorded HD programs making them either annoying or unwatchable, but since then, it's been virtually flawless.

This is my first DVR, so I'm sure there's a lot to learn. What am I missing by not upgrading to something different/better?

Hey Guys - all kidding aside, what's the genesis of the beef with the HDC and SARA? For an extra $5 per month over the cost of an HD tuner box, I get dual tuners, simple program recording (including first run-only for TV series) decent upscaling of 480i content for non-HD channels, and very good HD quality. I can even add an external HDD if I want to increase recording capacity.

For the first couple of weeks I had it, playback was sometimes choppy on some recorded HD programs making them either annoying or unwatchable, but since then, it's been virtually flawless.

This is my first DVR, so I'm sure there's a lot to learn. What am I missing by not upgrading to something different/better?

I've never owned a Mercedes, BMW, or a Cadillac. No Lexus, Rolls Royce, nothing like that.

I drive a 2009 Toyota Corolla. I've always just drove pretty basic cars. So I don't know all the things I'm missing.

I like my Corolla. It gets 34.6 miles per gallon on average. No 4 wheel drive but it does have anti lock breaks, something I never had before. It also has defrosting mirrors.

A TiVo is the same thing. Easier search features, Guide Guru's (I don't use them) Multi room viewing, you can download avi files and play them on your TiVo. Tivo has a "wishlist" for perhaps a movie that you would like to record in HD but isn't playing now, however should it come around TiVo will record it for you.

There are so many things that TiVo does that a cable DVR doesn't I really don't have the time to go into every detail. I just touched on the basics.

Now here is the other side of the coin: If you are happy with the DVR you have, it works dependably for you, and you've gotten use to navigating with it then maybe you don't need a TiVo. Kind of like my Corolla.:)

To be honest if the SA 8300 I had, and I had 3 of them would have worked properly I wouldn't have invested in the TiVo. However I started with TiVo with Direct TV so I knew how much better it was in the first place. Add that to the fact that my wife loved TiVo and hated the SA 8300 for me I had no choice.

My SA 8300 did not work properly. None of them did. It failed to record shows I requested frequently. There was no way to see certain types of conflicts. I constantly got only partial recordings, though I will admit that happened after I hooked up my SA 8300 approved eSATA.

Now if my Corolla acted up like that I'd get rid of it. And that's what I did as soon as TiVo came out with an HD model.

There is a bit of an illusion that you pay more by purchasing a TiVo, but as time goes on it does pay for itself, including the service charge. My DVR was 7.00 per month and my DVR service was 8.00 per month. I don't pay those anymore. I pay 6.00 a month for my two cable cards, well I guess 12.00 because I have two TiVos.

nickdawg and I do a great deal of kidding each other, but he knows really what the better DVR is. He just doesn't want to shell out the money for it. And the point is, or was until Navigator rolled around he was happy with his DVR. And I say to anyone if your DVR works well and you don't experience the type of problems I did, keep what you got.

I can tell you that there are many people out there who experienced the same problems I did. Yet some, even in my area still use the SA 8300 and don't have any problems.

I honestly thought that the warped pictures and macroblocking I was observing were broadcast related until I got my S3.:o

So I'm happy with my Corolla. I don't need a Mercedes. If you're happy with your DVR, same thing applies.:)

Thanks, Hook. Great summary. Really appreciate the time you took to respond. The multi-room viewing would be great, but I guess I'll stick with the "Corolla" for now.

nickdawg and I do a great deal of kidding each other, but he knows really what the better DVR is. He just doesn't want to shell out the money for it. And the point is, or was until Navigator rolled around he was happy with his DVR. And I say to anyone if your DVR works well and you don't experience the type of problems I did, keep what you got.


I say we take up a collection to buy a TiVo HD for nickdawg. I'll throw in the first $10.... If we get enough, we can even cover the first year of TiVo service, but it's up to him to handle the CableCard charges.....

:)

I think WVIZ still may be OTA. Flipping through I've seen WVIZ and it's multicast channels "out". WNEO usually works fine although it used to have some stuttering/freezing problems. WBNX is a toss up. I've seen freezing, stuttering and pixelation some times, mostly when it was first added. WBNX may be a direct fiber feed since back in the fall of 2006 they said something about having a HD feed on cable before it would be available OTA. But of course that never happened...

I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that anything outside 3/5/8 is being picked up OTA, including WBNX. They never did establish the cable-only HD feed, and only appeared on TWC long after they'd lit up the OTA WBNX-DT signal.

Is there any good place in Cleveland for antennas and such for OTA, or should I just go order online?

Also interested to hear about experiences and equipment used for those close to the city, particularly the near west side. Thanks.

Pretty hard to find nice big antennas in stock and if you order from a brick retailer they will nail you with shipping oversize. I ordered mine from MCM Electronics and they ship UPS even with huge ones.
JJK

I'm not sure what caliber of antenna you're looking for, but Radio Shack used to have a pretty good selection at most of their stores. I picked up a 160" antenna for use over my garage in Medina at RS three or four years ago for a pretty good price. According to their website, it's still in stock.

But you didn't say if you were looking for an indoor or outdoor antenna. I'm sure people here could give you advice either way. I would imagine from the near west side, you'd do better with an outdoor antenna if you could get away with it since most of the Cleveland OTAs are coming from the Parma antenna farm.

Have you checked out antennaweb.org for your specific address? It might give you a pretty good feel for what you'll need.

Nice - sounds like most of the greater Cleveland area, at least Amherst TW cable service is down. Consipracy theory - they planned it during the Republican Prime Time convention address :)

TW is so unreliable!

I'm just curious if anyone has the 'dyslexic guide' glitch today in NEO TW territory?

TNTHD(ch441) views STOHD and STOHD(ch435) views TNTHD. Dunno if it's yet another mystro bug or a headend mixup. In the legacy TW area over here in Warren. Must be fun for people with lots of scheduled recordings on those channels. 'Charmed' fans get a boring Indians daygame. :D

I'm just curious if anyone has the 'dyslexic guide' glitch today in NEO TW territory?

TNTHD(ch441) views STOHD and STOHD(ch435) views TNTHD. Dunno if it's yet another mystro bug or a headend mixup. In the legacy TW area over here in Warren. Must be fun for people with lots of scheduled recordings on those channels. 'Charmed' fans get a boring Indians daygame. :D

I'm not sure if TW is on the same page concerning the guides still. Inundated could probably speak on that better then I can.

As I understand it original TW people who use to have passport had a guide that allowed you to pick first run only. Inundated and I did not have that type of guide and even though we had SARA software it was capable of allowing you to chose that option IF the guide had it.

So for a while we were probably on 2, maybe 3 guides if you count the former Comcast people and the moto box.

Anyway if there was a glitch in your guide that's the vendors problem. Cable companies outsource their guides to vendors.

BTW do you have SARA or Navigator. And please don't say Passport, nickdawg will go nuts.:D;) You don't need a DVR to find this out you can go to the SA Webpage (http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/consumers/new_consumers.htm) and look up your box. It will give you instructions on how to bring up your diagnostic screen.

Of course with TiVo we don't have to jump up and push buttons and use remotes at the same time to access diagnostic screen. It's simply TiVo/Settings/System Information/Diagnostics. Right from the remote.;)

What was with the WKYC broadcast of the Giants/Redskins game last night. Some of the HD seemed very poor almost like they didnt have enough light for the cameras.
Dave

I'm not sure if TW is on the same page concerning the guides still. Inundated could probably speak on that better then I can.

I think you about covered it. I'm still with SARA on both my aging boxes, my SD box and the 8000HD DVR. Nothing has changed.

And here in the former Adelphia region, Bath/Copley offshoot, I'm getting STOHD on 435 and TNTHD on 441, as it should be. Well, at least I think that's STOHD on 435...they're in their infomercials.

I'm pretty sure everyone's now aligned with TWC in the digital cable range...that the process is long complete.

BTW, Big Ten's HD channel is all HD as far as I can tell, give or take old/upconverted sources.

I had no trouble with the game on 3.1 OTA.
JJK

Is there any good place in Cleveland for antennas and such for OTA, or should I just go order online?

Also interested to hear about experiences and equipment used for those close to the city, particularly the near west side. Thanks.

You might try "Philcap Electronic Suppliers" in Akron.
330.253.2109
www.philcap.com

I don't know if they are still open, but they may be the last of the local stores. I have purchased TV antennas from them in the past.

What's the deal with TWC in NE Ohio and the HD Sports channel that has a blue screen and all you see is HD Sports. There is a complete program listing for this channel but you can't watch anything..maybe this was covered before and I missed it..

What's the deal with TWC in NE Ohio and the HD Sports channel that has a blue screen and all you see is HD Sports. There is a complete program listing for this channel but you can't watch anything..maybe this was covered before and I missed it..

If that's Fox Sports Net HD, I don't think that they have had any programing since the basketball season ended.

IIRC FSN Ohio HD is a "game only" type of a channel regardless of your provider due to a limitation on FSN's distribution system. This is currently being resolved and we may soon see FSN Ohio HD as a full time simulcast of FSN Ohio.

IIRC FSN Ohio HD is a "game only" type of a channel regardless of your provider due to a limitation on FSN's distribution system. This is currently being resolved and we may soon see FSN Ohio HD as a full time simulcast of FSN Ohio.

Yes..it was FSN Ohio...Thanks for the info..I thought I might have been missing out on something.

Ok..next question..TWC in Northeast Ohio and I have the Scientific Atlanta HD DVR 8300? Why doesn't pay per view or on demand work???

Ok..next question..TWC in Northeast Ohio and I have the Scientific Atlanta HD DVR 8300? Why doesn't pay per view or on demand work???

Because you have a SA HD DVR 8300. They really suck.

Because you have a SA HD DVR 8300. They really suck.

I expected an answer like that from you... Are you telling me it won't work with that unit at all? Do I need to call and get something else? How can they advertise the service if it isn't attainable with their equipment? For those of you that can use On Demand and Pay Per View what box do you have? Must be HD!!!

Ok..next question..TWC in Northeast Ohio and I have the Scientific Atlanta HD DVR 8300? Why doesn't pay per view or on demand work???

Don't listen to Mr. Hookbill. He'll probably suggest you go buy a Tivo S3HD(which doesn't support PPV or VOD) :p

First thing I would try is unplugging the box. Check cable connections to make sure they're secure. Plug it back in and see if the reboot fixed it.

If not, a call to customer service is needed. Maybe they can fix it over the phone. If that won't work, they'll order a truck roll since something may be wrong with your wiring or outside. Signal levels may not be strong enough.

The worst case scenario would be the box has to be replaced. That's not good. The new boxes used by TWC for HD are the SA 8300HDC boxes, which use multi-stream cable card and OCAP. Plus these boxes use the new OCAP version of Navigator, which is full of bugs.

Don't listen to Mr. Hookbill. He'll probably suggest you go buy a Tivo S3HD(which doesn't support PPV or VOD) :p

First thing I would try is unplugging the box. Check cable connections to make sure they're secure. Plug it back in and see if the reboot fixed it.

If not, a call to customer service is needed. Maybe they can fix it over the phone. If that won't work, they'll order a truck roll since something may be wrong with your wiring or outside. Signal levels may not be strong enough.

The worst case scenario would be the box has to be replaced. That's not good. The new boxes used by TWC for HD are the SA 8300HDC boxes, which use multi-stream cable card and OCAP. Plus these boxes use the new OCAP version of Navigator, which is full of bugs.

Signal strength may be an issue...my local analog stations are fuzzy coming through the cable.

Signal strength may be an issue...my local analog stations are fuzzy coming through the cable.

That's definitely a sign of weak signal. After I had service awhile back, I noticed the PQ on the TV I have connected to analog only improved, especially the locals. If you check the diagnostics screen you'll see the QAM SNR number, which should be in the upper 30s. When I had trouble it was around 30 and fluctuating. VOD didn't work and even digital would drop out and break up. TWC pulled a new line from the street and replaced the drop. PQ improved and the SNR is now around 35-37. VOD has also worked OK.

Ok..next question..TWC in Northeast Ohio and I have the Scientific Atlanta HD DVR 8300? Why doesn't pay per view or on demand work???

Are you getting premium channels that you're not paying for (i.e. HBO, Starz, etc)? If so then your box isn't fully "authorized" or something like that so you get a bunch of cool channels, but PPV and VOD is broken.

I'm not sure if TW is on the same page concerning the guides still. Inundated could probably speak on that better then I can.

As I understand it original TW people who use to have passport had a guide that allowed you to pick first run only. Inundated and I did not have that type of guide and even though we had SARA software it was capable of allowing you to chose that option IF the guide had it.

So for a while we were probably on 2, maybe 3 guides if you count the former Comcast people and the moto box.

Anyway if there was a glitch in your guide that's the vendors problem. Cable companies outsource their guides to vendors.

BTW do you have SARA or Navigator. And please don't say Passport, nickdawg will go nuts.:D;) You don't need a DVR to find this out you can go to the SA Webpage (http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/consumers/new_consumers.htm) and look up your box. It will give you instructions on how to bring up your diagnostic screen.

Of course with TiVo we don't have to jump up and push buttons and use remotes at the same time to access diagnostic screen. It's simply TiVo/Settings/System Information/Diagnostics. Right from the remote.;)

Sorry for my vocabulary. Mystro=Navigator. Same old SA8300HDC. These channels have been the way they should be for ages and the guide lineup has not changed one bit.

The problem is when you select TNTHD(ch441) from the guide, it'll tune, the actual info bar will still read TNTHD and whatever should be on at that time, but the actual video/audio is STOHD. The reverse is the same for STOHD. That channel in the guide will bring in the video/audio of TNTHD.

Though I haven't had a chance to see if it has been fixed or not today.

I expected an answer like that from you

I'm glad I didn't disappoint you!:D;)

Don't listen to Mr. Hookbill. He'll probably suggest you go buy a Tivo S3HD(which doesn't support PPV or VOD) :p


Now nickdawg this really upsets me. I would never suggest somebody get a TiVo for VOD. Matter of fact you know darn good and well I tell people that if you are satisfied with the cable company DVR then stay with it. If you want something that runs circles around the cable DVR, then you get a TiVo.

I also don't understand why you need VOD if you have a DVR. I never used it when I had the SA 8300, except for a few times when it missed something I wanted to record as it did so many times. Back then it was so slow loading it was ridiculous.

I have heard from may people who were former Comcast people that they couldn't get VOD for a while but I haven't heard any complaints lately so maybe they fixed that.

Anyway to get VOD you don't need a DVR. I tried it about 6 months ago befoe I got my TiVo HD and had the SA regular box. Just as bad, and there were no HD channels.

I figured there would be a Tivo plug coming after that comment. Stating that the SA8300 sucks is not an answer to the question.

I almost never use VOD either. Honestly I find it a pointless, useless feature and I hate how TWC shoves it down our throats and even claims to have more HD because of VOD. They should invest that time and effort into getting more watchable HD channels. And it was very slow at the beginning. Sometimes it would cause my Pioneer box to reboot. As bad as that SA box may have been, it is nowhere near as bad as a Pioneer box. A complete piece of #$%&. And the Pioneer box doesn't get HD channels either.

I figured there would be a Tivo plug coming after that comment. Stating that the SA8300 sucks is not an answer to the question.


You are right. It wasn't the answer to his question and I guess I shouldn't have done that.

Still doesn't change the fact that the SA 8300 sucks. Who was it who said the other day "Hey, nickdawg, hows that Navigator software treating you?"

Oh, I remember - It was Smarty - Pants.:D

You are right. It wasn't the answer to his question and I guess I shouldn't have done that.

Still doesn't change the fact that the SA 8300 sucks. Who was it who said the other day "Hey, nickdawg, hows that Navigator software treating you?"

Oh, I remember - It was Smarty - Pants.:D

Notice that is NAVIGATOR, not the SA 8300HD. I've had SA 8300 and 8300HD since 2006. It was never a problem until this April. Before that I had the 8000 SDTV DVR, now THAT was a POS. A big, oversized POS.

Let's not feed the trolls. :p

Who was it who said the other day "Hey, nickdawg, hows that Navigator software treating you?"

Oh, I remember - It was Smarty - Pants.:D

Why you gotta be involving me in this fiasco? :D
So I've still got no box, so nothing to complain about my STB, since I don't have one. Sometimes simple is better :).
So are you guys enjoying the new USA HD channel??

Let's not feed the trolls. :p


Smarty-Pants is not a troll! He's, well, you know what he is. Let's just say trouble maker.

Then again so am I. And you are too.:p

Why you gotta be involving me in this fiasco? :D
So are you guys enjoying the new USA HD channel??

First, you said it, don't deny it, so nobody brought you in this but you.

Second, on my guide USA HD is still listed on channel 450. The fact that the screen is grey, that's TW's fault.

And right back at you.:p

Tribe not in HD tonight from Kansas City? STOHD looks like 16:9 480p here on D* channel 662-1.

I remember this happening before on a game from KC.

Tribe not in HD tonight from Kansas City? STOHD looks like 16:9 480p here on D* channel 662-1.

I remember this happening before on a game from KC.

Sure looks like 480p to me here, on TWC.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got messed up at the KC end again.

Ok..next question..TWC in Northeast Ohio and I have the Scientific Atlanta HD DVR 8300? Why doesn't pay per view or on demand work???

If you're in University Heights, you should be the former Adelphia region, no?

Just checked VOD on my SA8000HD DVR, and no problems in either SD or HD. I refuse to pay for a PPV just to see if it works.

:D

Oh, Philcap is still open, last I drove by there (East Market Street in downtown Akron) at any rate. The Mr. Hero across the street has been razed, but Philcap is still standing. I can't speak to their antenna stock, though, as I didn't know they carried TV antennas...

A reminder to everyone posting problems about TWC here, and asking for help:

PLEASE tell us which part of the TWC system you're on, if it's not obvious by your Location tag (i.e. above).

Despite efforts to unify TWC, there are still the remnants of three distinct systems - legacy TWC (Akron, Canton, Youngstown/Warren, etc.), former Adelphia (much of the Cleveland area, Bath/Copley/Northampton and Macedonia/Western Reserve) and former Comcast (Elyria, Mentor).

G3VIZIO was not difficult to figure out, since his location listing says "University Heights", but please, future posters...keep this in mind when you ask about TWC. If it doesn't say where you are in your profile, tell us!

So are you guys enjoying the new USA HD channel??

It's working just fine, dude!! I called Steve Fry and told him how I liked USA HD and since I have an HDTV cable box he agreed to send me the signal, along with SCIFI HD and FX HD. Gotta keep it on the down low because it was just for me! Yeah, I have about 85 HD channels right now.

If you're in University Heights, you should be the former Adelphia region, no?

Just checked VOD on my SA8000HD DVR, and no problems in either SD or HD. I refuse to pay for a PPV just to see if it works.

The OP of that question needs to call customer service. Since it is working OK for you, it must be a wiring or signal strength problem that needs a truck roll.

The OP of that question needs to call customer service. Since it is working OK for you, it must be a wiring or signal strength problem that needs a truck roll.

Yeah, if he has bad looking/snowy analog channels, that's probably it. I just hate suggesting a truck roll if it's something that can be fixed at the TWC end, but I'm guessing you're right here.

Yeah, if he has bad looking/snowy analog channels, that's probably it. I just hate suggesting a truck roll if it's something that can be fixed at the TWC end, but I'm guessing you're right here.

I'll go along and agree with Inundated but dude, please keep in mind that the person you just said was right about something also just said this about USA HD:

It's working just fine, dude!! I called Steve Fry and told him how I liked USA HD and since I have an HDTV cable box he agreed to send me the signal, along with SCIFI HD and FX HD. Gotta keep it on the down low because it was just for me! Yeah, I have about 85 HD channels right now.

nickdawg read the bottle and take the medication only as prescribed.:D

You gotta love tab browsing! Makes doing things like this so easy.;)

..........nickdawg read the bottle and take the medication only as prescribed.:D.................

Well whatever nickdawg is smoking/popping I WANT SOME!

The world is not enough! (unless it's in HD) :cool:

does anyone know how many hours of HD programing you can keep on their.

I tried to find the answer in the paper work they gave me when I got it but couldn't find anything

thanks..

I would also like some of whatever Nick is "on". Seems like good stuff if it makes everything look HD. :rolleyes::D

IIRC FSN Ohio HD is a "game only" type of a channel regardless of your provider due to a limitation on FSN's distribution system. This is currently being resolved and we may soon see FSN Ohio HD as a full time simulcast of FSN Ohio.

Do you know when this is happening? I hade WOW and I cancelled after the Cavs season and now I have OTA. I am thinking of getting the E* turboHD but they do not include the standered channels with the package so I will miss half the games. Right?

does anyone know how many hours of HD programing you can keep on their.

I tried to find the answer in the paper work they gave me when I got it but couldn't find anything

thanks..

This goes back to what Inundated was talking about. Assuming you have the SA 8300 you can record 20 hours. You can purchase an eSATA for additional recording time, but I caution you when I did that it caused me to have partial recordings. YMMV

FWIW the TiVo S3 records 32 hours. And now there is this (https://www3.tivo.com/store/boxdetails.do?boxName=tivohdxl&boxsku=R65800):

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Works with digital and analog cable; digital and analog antenna.

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Play music from your computer or the Internet.

Display only the programs and channels that you pre-approve for your kids with TiVo KidZone.

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Digital audio: Connects to your home theater system for digital sound using an optical digital audio cable. (Sold separately)

S-Video out: Connects to a TV for a high-quality standard definition picture. It does not support high definition. Requires connecting a separate cable for audio.

Component video out: Connects to a TV for a high definition picture. Requires connecting a separate cable for audio.

Composite video and stereo out: Connects to a TV for a standard definition picture. Use only the white and red cables if all you need is audio for a different video source, like S-Video or Component video.

HDMI out: Connects to a TV, A/V receiver, or home theater system for a pure digital connection that provides HD video and digital audio all in one cable.

Ethernet: Connects to an Ethernet cable to allow your DVR to access your home network and your broadband Internet connection.

2 USB ports: Connects to the TiVo wireless adapter if you want to wirelessly connect to your home network and broadband internet connection.

E-SATA: Connects to the My DVR Expander to increase recording capacity.

Cable In: Connects to the coaxial cable in your wall that provides your cable TV programming.Antenna in:

Connects to the coaxial cable from a TV antenna in order to receive analog and digital broadcasts (including HD programming) over the air.

I know, geeze Hookbill.....And no I don't have stock in the company. I just love TiVo.:) I like to keep people fully informed.:D

Do you know when this is happening? I hade WOW and I cancelled after the Cavs season and now I have OTA. I am thinking of getting the E* turboHD but they do not include the standered channels with the package so I will miss half the games. Right?

I would have to go looking through the HDTV Programming area to where I saw it, but I believe the local FSNs will be 24/7 HD (mostly upconvert, I assume, aside from more game programming being added) by the end of the year.

It's a control room/behind the scenes issue, I believe. Right now, FSN Ohio and the other FSN HDs are not switched 24/7 in HD/digital, like STO is as of this year.

First off, I thought you'd love that one Smarty-Pants. Not so fun when someone else plays the role of smart-&## is it? And I knew hook would love it because I played the "ultimate Steve Fry card". No, I have the same garbage channels everyone else has. Wishful thinking...

Second, FSN is not currently broadcasting in HD. When I tuned in to channel 309 today for the Zips game, I got the "Press Select For Enhanced" message that takes you to the HD bonus channel, which consists of a blank screen. Well at least they removed that channel from the guide so there isn't a 'dead' channel to have to flip through.

And third, I would never subscribe to an "HD Only" package. One big reason: STRETCHOVISION. Networks like TNT and TBS as well as FOOD, History and A&E stretch all 4:3 content to make it fill the 16:9 screen. I'm not watching that $#*&. Whenever a stretched show comes on, I'm back to the SD channel immediately. The thought of not having that option scares me. Heh, maybe I'd watch less TV, since most of what's on TWC's fantastic HD channels is stretched bulls...!!

Second, FSN is not currently broadcasting in HD. When I tuned in to channel 309 today for the Zips game, I got the "Press Select For Enhanced" message that takes you to the HD bonus channel, which consists of a blank screen. Well at least they removed that channel from the guide so there isn't a 'dead' channel to have to flip through.


Over here, they've also removed the errant FSNHD from the guide (TWC/former Adelphia-Cleveland, I believe it was 436, and it was showing the same "HD Bonus" screen instead of programming, anyway).

I presume they'll return it in time for the first Cavaliers HD game this coming basketball season, and whenever FSN Ohio HD launches 24/7.

Over here, they've also removed the errant FSNHD from the guide (TWC/former Adelphia-Cleveland, I believe it was 436, and it was showing the same "HD Bonus" screen instead of programming, anyway).

I presume they'll return it in time for the first Cavaliers HD game this coming basketball season, and whenever FSN Ohio HD launches 24/7.

That's the one, 436. For awhile that channel used to play some theatrical music and the blue screen just said "HD Sports". Looked like a generic power point slide.l And I always got a laugh out of how it was listed in the guide. HD Promo, which looked like "HD Porno" when I first saw it. :D:):p:p

And I always got a laugh out of how it was listed in the guide. HD Promo, which looked like "HD Porno" when I first saw it. :D:):p:p

Sounds like more wishfull thinking.:p

I didn't get the comment about Smarty-Pants. He can take it as well as dish it out.

And you're just as big of a smart @@@ as he is. I, on the other hand keep both of you in line.:rolleyes:

Thank God Inundated and a few others around here take this thread seriously. I've noticed a great deal of the regulars who use to post don't come around as much. Probably because of the three of us going at it all the time.

Are you getting premium channels that you're not paying for (i.e. HBO, Starz, etc)? If so then your box isn't fully "authorized" or something like that so you get a bunch of cool channels, but PPV and VOD is broken.

I just re-booted my box as suggested. I now get all the premium channels and really don't care about PPV or On Demand...I'm not complaining..if this is broken, i don't want it fixed...

I just re-booted my box as suggested. I now get all the premium channels and really don't care about PPV or On Demand...I'm not complaining..if this is broken, i don't want it fixed...

It'll be gone soon enough. Just get as much recorded from those channels while you can. ;)

Had the same happen when we first got the 8300HDC here as a first time HD owner and got quite a few HD movies recorded from the big 3 premium movie providers.

I didn't get the comment about Smarty-Pants. He can take it as well as dish it out.

And you're just as big of a smart @@@ as he is. I, on the other hand keep both of you in line.:rolleyes:

Thank God Inundated and a few others around here take this thread seriously. I've noticed a great deal of the regulars who use to post don't come around as much. Probably because of the three of us going at it all the time.

Hey now. I'm NOT Smarty-Pants. Mr. Pants has derailed this thread several times. I, on the other hand take this tread seriously and provide good advice. Did you not read what I wrote yesterday about the broken cable box?

I just re-booted my box as suggested. I now get all the premium channels and really don't care about PPV or On Demand...I'm not complaining..if this is broken, i don't want it fixed...

Is it a box that you just got from TWC? I've had this happen when I get a new box. All the HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc channels are on. I once had everything for almost a year.

Is it a box that you just got from TWC? I've had this happen when I get a new box. All the HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc channels are on. I once had everything for almost a year.

I did too. During the first year. It was part of the promotional package.:rolleyes:

Don't they still give that to everyone for one year? Then in hopes that you will forget, which I didn't, they send you this humongous bill that has been know to cause heart attacks and strokes in customers.

And you want to know what else those crooks did to me? Because I realized that the time was up (I had 3 weeks left) I called to cancel the additional channels. Since I "cancelled my promo early", I was charged for 1 week for all additional channels.:mad:

To be fair that was the old crooks, Adelphia. Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss - Pete Townsend (The Who)

Edit: I just hit post 3400!

Also since Navigator has turned out to be such a big hit :rolleyes:, I've gone back to my old signature.