All true2way sets and devices will require a cable card 2.0 or M spec. These cards have been around now for over a year.

That's what I had suspected. So one way or another the customer must rent a device (CableCard, M-card, STB) from the cable provider to utilize Tru2Way features. ;)

Disclaimer: I'm an OTA viewer, I know nothing of cable and its ways. But I just had to say something here. I had opinions on the rest of the post, but I didn't feel like typing it all out; this is one point I felt necessary to make.

Only? $7 * 12 months is $96. Now I don't know about you, but to me, $96 is a lot of money. And that doesn't even pay for the programming. Which has commercials in it.

- Trip

Ditto Trip, If Cable is what you all enjoy, so be it. I only had this service a bit over a year when it was forced to me in an apartment. I've only had OTA myself, if that somehow vanished, I'd likely just watch DVD's or rent movies... better yet the Library is free! :)

I'm sure many of you remember in the back of your mind TELEVISION IS NOT A UTILITY!! The original concept of subscription TV was a) to bring TV service into areas that had no service b) to provide COMMERCIAL FREE TV for a price.

I also do without a Cell phone or DSL for that matter (& bottled water too). & YES $96 a month is a lot to me also. All fine & good if you are doing well, but I've learned over time that the 'Great Job' that pays for all this neat stuff may not be there tomorrow.


Is that $7/month per box? If people are paying that kind of money just to watch TV, no wonder we're in a financial crisis!

- Trip

The partial reason of this financial crisis, is that people over that past few decades have been 'brainwashed' to believe they 'need' all these innecessities they have done without for years, & are living well beyond their means & 2 weeks away from bankruptcy.... sad. :(

$96 is $96. That $96 could go into a savings account or a CD or some other investment to bring a return.
- Trip

Unfurtunately, the banks currently pay VERY little in return, almost wonder why they are in trouble, defaulted loans?

Ouch!!! Lets now return to Cable TV Banter :), a few of my neighbors are still insisting that TWC is charging them for a box just to get ANY HD, period, including the locals.

Unfurtunately, the banks currently pay VERY little in return, almost wonder why they are in trouble, defaulted loans?

Ouch!!! Lets now return to Cable TV Banter :), a few of my neighbors are still insisting that TWC is charging them for a box just to get ANY HD, period, including the locals.

If they don't have a QAM tuner this is true. Or, they have a QAM tuner and either don't know they have it or don't know how to use it. :)

Unfurtunately, the banks currently pay VERY little in return, almost wonder why they are in trouble, defaulted loans?

Ouch!!! Lets now return to Cable TV Banter :), a few of my neighbors are still insisting that TWC is charging them for a box just to get ANY HD, period, including the locals.

Technically they are. Unless you want to play around with the freeloader method of using the ATSC tuner to get the channels. I like the cable box. I turn it on and watch TV. No need to worry if a channel is moved or deleted and you have to re-scan to find it. Plus I have a 7 day grid guide and a banner that tells me what's on, every channel all the time. Local newspapers don't even publish the schedule anymore and TV guide only shows network TV primetime and cable.

I've tried it all. I accidentally discovered the "in the clear" channels and used them in between boxes, but I could not stand the weird numbers. I like the current 400 numbering over the weird positions like 104-2 etc. Also, the SD digital picture on the under 100 channels is far superior to the analog garbage I get without a box. The grain/interference/fuzz was unwatchable after seeing the HD channels and even the few odd SD digital channels thrown in.

I've also tried OTA. Not as a primary source, but on the side. I live in an old house and it has the antenna on the roof and the wiring inside. I was able to get 5, 19, 43, 45, 55, 61 and 67. 3 and 25 NEVER came in. But they usually don't. 19 was kinda buggy.

I've also tried OTA. Not as a primary source, but on the side. I live in an old house and it has the antenna on the roof and the wiring inside. I was able to get 5, 19, 43, 45, 55, 61 and 67. 3 and 25 NEVER came in. But they usually don't. 19 was kinda buggy.

That's because you live in Akron, not Parma or Seven Hills. :D

Presumably, that'll change when 3/25 go full power from their new tower, and 3 moves to DT 17...

OK, I just got done with everything. I got an 26LG30 for the wife. I hooked it up and tried using just qam. Well, it took me a bit to figure it out and I thought, "geeze, my wife won't be able to use this." And since all the jewlery channels are on that list of SDV I say the heck with it and off I go to TW Macedonia.

It took her 20 minutes and several p.o.'d people left because she was having trouble adding showtime. I mention the SDV coming and she says she hasn't heard a thing about it. I said, your kidding, people are getting this in the mail. Nope, she says doesn't know anything about SDV coming soon. She checks with her manager and he says "not around here."

So I come home and I say, "Hey, this is a better TV then the one hooked up in the bedroom so I'll use the HDMI on this." I do and I kind of calibrate it and I go back to hook up the TiVo to the components.

But TiVo says no, we are not using components or I'll give you this funny looking picture. Well, either TiVo or the television said it so I switched back.

Then I went and set up the remote which was an adventure as there was only one code for LG and it was wrong. So I try the auto thing and I'll be darned if it isn't like the fifth one it tries. But I'm tired and slow and I can't figure out how to set it up. Finally I read the directions again and after about, oh another 1/2 an hour that's done.

So I'm going to order an HDMI cable for this thing and hopefully find a good calibration. I kind of used the one on my 37LG30 and it seems to at least be close. For some reason it won't let me use the "Just Fit" but that may because it's on component.

Anyway, SDV? Nobody knows nothing. I haven't got a letter, the jewlery channels come in fine.

I think you guys are making all this stuff up.:p

I lug the old 19" television down to the basement and let me tell you, that sucker was heavy.

That's what I had suspected. So one way or another the customer must rent a device (CableCard, M-card, STB) from the cable provider to utilize Tru2Way features. ;)

Yes, I pay about 7 dollars a month for 2 cablecards. Worth it to me not to have the set-top box, and also to have the TV decode the signal. Mitsubishi puts out several largers sets that have the orginal cable cards. Pretty good sets and one of them has a soundbar. I would pick one up if I didn't think tru2way was so close. I might pick one up anyways if the price goes down some more, if only we knew for sure when SDV is coming to NEO.

Yes, I pay about 7 dollars a month for 2 cablecards. Worth it to me not to have the set-top box, and also to have the TV decode the signal. Mitsubishi puts out several largers sets that have the orginal cable cards. Pretty good sets and one of them has a soundbar. I would pick one up if I didn't think tru2way was so close. I might pick one up anyways if the price goes down some more, if only we knew for sure when SDV is coming to NEO.

But those sets with cable cards will not work with Tru2Way. The hardware is not capable of two way communications.

You'll end up getting a box for your current set, unless you have TiVo.

Yes, I pay about 7 dollars a month for 2 cablecards. Worth it to me not to have the set-top box, and also to have the TV decode the signal. Mitsubishi puts out several largers sets that have the orginal cable cards. Pretty good sets and one of them has a soundbar. I would pick one up if I didn't think tru2way was so close. I might pick one up anyways if the price goes down some more, if only we knew for sure when SDV is coming to NEO.

Oh I understand the value and benefits of CableCards, wasn't questioning that aspect. There seems to be confusion out there (again) regarding Tru2Way and whether or not CableCards are needed with it.

The few articles I've read regarding Tru2Way make it very clear "no STB needed" ...... but then either completely neglect to mention the need for the CableCards or bury that info deep in the article. Even the CNet reviewer got it wrong. :confused:

Now that I've had a chance to play around with this I have to give this STB a complete thumbs up. The remote that comes with it has some additional features I haven't seen before, like a one push favorite button, but more importantly this STB has HDMI.

Of course TW doesn't give you the HDMI cable, because since they think like you, they want you to have to deal with 5 cables instead of just 1.

I guess the argument on this would be older models of HD televisions may not have HDMI.

Now I had mentioned that they took a long time getting the STB to add Showtime. When I looked at it last night did add Showtime. Along with HBO, Starz, and Cinemax.

But only on that television. My TiVo's are not receiving that.

Still I didn't want any unexpected surprises so I just called TW and I told them what was going on and he said the he just shows me being billed for Showtime.

I said that's all I wanted to know, I kind of heard a smile in his voice and he said you have a great day sir. :)

One other thing. I mentioned that I was having difficulty with a setting on the 26LG30 called "Just Fit" which set's it for the program that is coming through. I called LG and the guy said it was the cable box and of course he was right, I didn't set it for pass thru. Once I did that the problem was fixed.

While I had him there I asked if he had any specs for callibration and his response was, "You should not change those. I know many people think they need to do this but this will cause software problems."

In all the years I've dealt with HDTV's I haven't heard that. Also the callibration for my LG3730 was from CNET!

I think this guy is just a CSR (not in America) and probably just being told to tell people this. Anybody else ever hear of anything like this?

The few articles I've read regarding Tru2Way make it very clear "no STB needed" ...... but then either completely neglect to mention the need for the CableCards or bury that info deep in the article. Even the CNet reviewer got it wrong. :confused:

No STB will be needed so long as you have a cable card and the Tru2Way hardware. If you don't, then you will need a STB or DVR.

Now I had mentioned that they took a long time getting the STB to add Showtime. When I looked at it last night did add Showtime. Along with HBO, Starz, and Cinemax.

But only on that television. My TiVo's are not receiving that.

Still I didn't want any unexpected surprises so I just called TW and I told them what was going on and he said the he just shows me being billed for Showtime.


I don't remember if this was discussed in this thread or in another, but it's likely that your STB isn't fully registered on the network. Can you use any of the PPV/OnDemand features of the box (for PPV can you tune to a PPV channel and get the message that says you can buy the program)?

It will be interesting to see how cable companys treat tru2way rolls. Its the same cable card that needs to be installed in the TV; but now the cable company gets all the benefits of a set top box (PPV, Guide, SDV), without actually having one there. I have a feeling that suddenly all the problems that they had installing cable cards will vanish.

I lug the old 19" television down to the basement and let me tell you, that sucker was heavy.

I had a 32" Sony I 'inherated' that was sitting in storage for 8 months before I finally got help from 2 others to move this finally last month. This was a 3 person operation, as one person has to keep it from tipping forward over the weight of the tube.... now THAT was heavy! it actually started to bend a 2 wheeler that was rated for 350 lbs due to its uneven weight & shape.

Oh yes, I finally found the 27" Console a good home, that had such a good picture I hated to part with it.

Technically they are. Unless you want to play around with the freeloader method of using the ATSC tuner to get the channels. I like the cable box. I turn it on and watch TV. No need to worry if a channel is moved or deleted and you have to re-scan to find it. Plus I have a 7 day grid guide and a banner that tells me what's on, every channel all the time. Local newspapers don't even publish the schedule anymore and TV guide only shows network TV primetime and cable.

I've tried it all. I accidentally discovered the "in the clear" channels and used them in between boxes, but I could not stand the weird numbers. I like the current 400 numbering over the weird positions like 104-2 etc. Also, the SD digital picture on the under 100 channels is far superior to the analog garbage I get without a box. The grain/interference/fuzz was unwatchable after seeing the HD channels and even the few odd SD digital channels thrown in.

I've also tried OTA. Not as a primary source, but on the side. I live in an old house and it has the antenna on the roof and the wiring inside. I was able to get 5, 19, 43, 45, 55, 61 and 67. 3 and 25 NEVER came in. But they usually don't. 19 was kinda buggy.
I used to have to program the Ex GF's about once every 6 weeks & write down where the Local HD's were, but now she said she could no longer find them after TWC called & told her she now needed to rent a box for this. She also had a few extra HD channel's like GSN & a few others but it was purely random, in fact they were testing some channels once when I was reprogramming this, they were showing Borat & Happy Feet, just after they were available on DVD, but not yet on the premiums.

I had a 32" Sony I 'inherated' that was sitting in storage for 8 months before I finally got help from 2 others to move this finally last month. This was a 3 person operation, as one person has to keep it from tipping forward over the weight of the tube.... now THAT was heavy! it actually started to bend a 2 wheeler that was rated for 350 lbs due to its uneven weight & shape.

Oh yes, I finally found the 27" Console a good home, that had such a good picture I hated to part with it.

That's funny, because I have a Philips 30" HD set that is in my bedroom. Last year I brought up the stairs by myself and on to the top of our dresser in the bedroom. That was not very smart, because my back has not been the same since. I had back problems even before that, so it was dumb on all kinds of levels. :rolleyes::)

I've got a 32" Toshiba tube set that's still sitting where I had it. I just put the LCD in front of it.

:D

I've got a 32" Toshiba tube set that's still sitting where I had it. I just put the LCD in front of it.

:D

Put a piece of plywood on top of it and throw a table cloth over it :D.

Seriously though, if you (and anyone else) don't want it anymore, you should get at least a couple hundred bucks for it off Ebay. ...or even Craigslist, which is free to use.

Seriously though, if you (and anyone else) don't want it anymore, you should get at least a couple hundred bucks for it off Ebay. ...or even Craigslist, which is free to use.

Only if I can convince someone to schlep here and carry it out from my second floor loft. I don't think I'd get $100 for it, though, as it's an old analog set I paid $399 for a few years ago. I'm assuming analog sets aren't exactly in demand as we approach 2009, though it does have component inputs.

When I get tired of staring at it, then I'll probably do something.

^My bad, was thinking it was an HD CRT set. I gave my old anlog 32" to my sister... she loves it :).

Only if I can convince someone to schlep here and carry it out from my second floor loft. I don't think I'd get $100 for it, though, as it's an old analog set I paid $399 for a few years ago. I'm assuming analog sets aren't exactly in demand as we approach 2009, though it does have component inputs.

When I get tired of staring at it, then I'll probably do something.

I saw 2 console TV's sitting on the tree lawn in my subdivision. They put a sign on them "Free TV". I wonder if they had any takers?

I saw 2 console TV's sitting on the tree lawn in my subdivision. They put a sign on them "Free TV". I wonder if they had any takers?

If it's free, and it works, someone is going to take it... wether it's a tv or whatever.

It will be interesting to see how cable companys treat tru2way rolls. Its the same cable card that needs to be installed in the TV; but now the cable company gets all the benefits of a set top box (PPV, Guide, SDV), without actually having one there. I have a feeling that suddenly all the problems that they had installing cable cards will vanish.

Be careful about what you hear about cablecards; there's an awful lot of misinformation about them out there. Whenever I run across a question about them, I always go straight to CableLabs (http://www.opencable.com/primer/cablecard_primer.html), the standards body that wrote the specs for cablecards. They have the entire spec available for download, including a snyopsis of what happens when a card is plugged into a host device, all described in exquisite detail. Here you'll find the answers to all of your Tru2Way questions.

I've got a 32" Toshiba tube set that's still sitting where I had it. I just put the LCD in front of it.

:D

I don't know if anyone remembers but I gave away my old Sony 32" HD CRT. It weighed 200 lbs.

Inundated, you've got to be single to get away with that!;) I still have the step ladder upstairs where the new HDTV is. And it's going to stay there until the HDMI cord arrives! If my wife complains I'll tell her fine, you move it and you bring it back.

Actually 205 lbs.
JJK

I don't remember if this was discussed in this thread or in another, but it's likely that your STB isn't fully registered on the network. Can you use any of the PPV/OnDemand features of the box (for PPV can you tune to a PPV channel and get the message that says you can buy the program)?

Well, it gets more bazzar. I can get HBO and Cinemax on Demand, but I can't get Showtime (which I do pay for), Starz, or The Movie Channel on Demand. However I get all their channels.

I don't know, wife says don't do anything but I'm afraid this is going to bite me on the butt sometime. I may call my headend contact.

Inundated, you've got to be single to get away with that!;) I still have the step ladder upstairs where the new HDTV is. And it's going to stay there until the HDMI cord arrives! If my wife complains I'll tell her fine, you move it and you bring it back.

Terminally single, as I say. The first step is to get women to stop running away...

No, seriously, my Toshiba isn't even an HD set. It's a standard, 4:3 CRT. You remember it - I was watching downconverted HD programming on it for years, and you kept razzing me about it.

I should be so lucky that someone would come in here and take it away, even for free, assuming I'd feel safe inviting someone into the house...

Terminally single, as I say. The first step is to get women to stop running away...

Just when you get to the point of acceptance, that's when something will happen. Just keep that in mind when it does.;)

No, seriously, my Toshiba isn't even an HD set. It's a standard, 4:3 CRT. You remember it - I was watching downconverted HD programming on it for years, and you kept razzing me about it.

I should be so lucky that someone would come in here and take it away, even for free, assuming I'd feel safe inviting someone into the house...

I don't think Goodwill picks up anymore, but call and see. If not, you can't donate it to some other charity? Nobody will help you at least get in in the car so you can go to Goodwill and drop it off?

And that television sounds like a 200.00 tax write off to me. If you itemize.

I agree on the tax write off. We do the max every year.
I don't know about Goodwill, but Amvets comes by my house every month for a pickup.

Terminally single, as I say. The first step is to get women to stop running away...

No, seriously, my Toshiba isn't even an HD set. It's a standard, 4:3 CRT. You remember it - I was watching downconverted HD programming on it for years, and you kept razzing me about it.

I should be so lucky that someone would come in here and take it away, even for free, assuming I'd feel safe inviting someone into the house...

As a measure of last resort you can always try http://www.freecycle.org/
I've successfully gotten rid of nonworking computers, snow blowers and a 30 year old lawnmower. Two simple rules: giver cannot charge any money, receiver must pick it up.

Of course this involves letting someone in your house. Maybe you'll get a date out of it??? :cool:

One mans trash is another mans treasure.

Inundated, the part about not wanting somebody coming in your house....I hope that's just because you're a typical slob and not paranoid of people.

I have people come by from Sears, plumbers, people who do my yard, and I'm not afraid to open the door unless they have a bible or baseball bat in their hand.:D

I gave my old anlog 32" to my sister... she loves it :).
I moved mine to the basement and hooked it up to a Wii. It's perfect for that.

That's funny, because I have a Philips 30" HD set that is in my bedroom. Last year I brought up the stairs by myself and on to the top of our dresser in the bedroom. That was not very smart, because my back has not been the same since. I had back problems even before that, so it was dumb on all kinds of levels. :rolleyes::)

According to the manual the Sony 32 weighs in @ 158#, even with longer arms I could not get a grip on this & if I did I'd probably topple over carrying it.

If it's free, and it works, someone is going to take it... wether it's a tv or whatever.

Just when you get to the point of acceptance, that's when something will happen. Just keep that in mind when it does.;)



I don't think Goodwill picks up anymore, but call and see. If not, you can't donate it to some other charity? Nobody will help you at least get in in the car so you can go to Goodwill and drop it off?

And that television sounds like a 200.00 tax write off to me. If you itemize.

Goodwill, Purple Hearts or St Vincent DePaul did not want the console TV, although this console was made in '92, but sold new in '94, had AV in & out & PIP, & cable ready.... like new.

Didn't want to put this on the lawn as I was brought up to run things to the ground or sell them, I sold it for $25, I believe it was a good deal for what he was going to use it for, plus it was lightly used (I got it in '98), it'll probably go another 10 years.

Speaking of which I also have a 1978 black & white, plus a 1984 19" Zenith (Identical to the one used in the Old Spice Commercial) that both work great. :)

Didn't want to put this on the lawn as I was brought up to run things to the ground or sell them, I sold it for $25, I believe it was a good deal for what he was going to use it for, plus it was lightly used (I got it in '98), it'll probably go another 10 years.

Speaking of which I also have a 1978 black & white, plus a 1984 19" Zenith (Identical to the one used in the Old Spice Commercial) that both work great. :)

Reminds me of the article in Wall Street Journal the other day about our homes becoming like landfills, since we hate to throw anything away!

I guess I AM a little paranoid, but it's mostly just never getting around to putting up an ad or a Craigslist or eBay listing. I don't think I'd get much for it, and I don't know how much I'd list it for - if I even decided to try to actually sell it.

Be careful about what you hear about cablecards; there's an awful lot of misinformation about them out there. Whenever I run across a question about them, I always go straight to CableLabs (http://www.opencable.com/primer/cablecard_primer.html), the standards body that wrote the specs for cablecards. They have the entire spec available for download, including a snyopsis of what happens when a card is plugged into a host device, all described in exquisite detail. Here you'll find the answers to all of your Tru2Way questions.

Thanks, been following the tru2way info for the last year now. Have re-read all the info on Cablelabs site and many others. My comment is how I think the cable company's song about cable cards will change one tru2way is rolled out.

I guess I AM a little paranoid, but it's mostly just never getting around to putting up an ad or a Craigslist or eBay listing. I don't think I'd get much for it, and I don't know how much I'd list it for - if I even decided to try to actually sell it.

I'm probably going to trash my 19" next week.

I contacted my headend person today, left a voice mail and when I got home she left me instructions on how to get into the diagnostics and what to do if it wasn't set at a specific number on the On Demand diagnostic screen. The number was correct so I suspect she did something on her end. Also all my other premium channels are gone, which is fine with me.

I found it was interesting that it uses SARA software. Fine, so long as it's not in a DVR.

Also I noticed it has a M card in it and I saw the SDV screen diagnostics. There are about 3 pages of those. I don't know how many pages there was on the cable card but there sure was a whole heck of a lot of those.

I remember some people saying they couldn't get STB's. Anyone still having that problem? Because they had them brand new at the Macedonia office, even peeled the plastic off the front of the display.

Also I noticed it has a M card in it and I saw the SDV screen diagnostics. There are about 3 pages of those. I don't know how many pages there was on the cable card but there sure was a whole heck of a lot of those.



So the box you got has a cable card in it? Did it say OCAP on the front time display when you plugged it in?

If it does use cable card, good luck. :) Wouldn't want to be you, though:p!

Also I noticed it has a M card in it and I saw the SDV screen diagnostics. There are about 3 pages of those. I don't know how many pages there was on the cable card but there sure was a whole heck of a lot of those.

I remember some people saying they couldn't get STB's. Anyone still having that problem? Because they had them brand new at the Macedonia office, even peeled the plastic off the front of the display.

Welcome to the 8300HDC crew fine sir. I'll keep a seat open in the Insane Asylum for you. :D

And I don't think the problem is getting /A/ box, but getting the RIGHT box. I know around here, the HDC's are coming out their ears. Every tech has a mess of them brand new in the box on their trucks, plenty at the offices, etc..

Welcome to the 8300HDC crew fine sir. I'll keep a seat open in the Insane Asylum for you. :D

And I don't think the problem is getting /A/ box, but getting the RIGHT box. I know around here, the HDC's are coming out their ears. Every tech has a mess of them brand new in the box on their trucks, plenty at the offices, etc..

No, it's not Navigator software. It's SARA. And it's not a DVR, just an STB.

But I will say this: If SDV works anything at all like On Demand, then it is slow, slow, slow.

So the box you got has a cable card in it? Did it say OCAP on the front time display when you plugged it in?

If it does use cable card, good luck. :) Wouldn't want to be you, though:p!

No, it doesn't say OCAP on the front time display and did you miss the part where I said it uses SARA? That means that the M card will work with SARA.

My question is why does a STB use a cable card? If they didn't in the past, why now?

And from what I see there isn't a heck of a lot going on with that cable card. In the DVR world the M card allows you to record or receive multiple channels, but that would be useless in a STB unless that is what is providing the PIP. And I doubt that. Since you can only tune one channel at a time, what's the point?

My question is why does a STB use a cable card? If they didn't in the past, why now?

And from what I see there isn't a heck of a lot going on with that cable card. In the DVR world the M card allows you to record or receive multiple channels, but that would be useless in a STB unless that is what is providing the PIP. And I doubt that. Since you can only tune one channel at a time, what's the point?

Starting last July (http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/04/17/set-top-box-makers-ramp-up-cablecard-units/) cable operators weren't supposed to be shipping boxes with built in security, hence cable cards in their own boxes.

Are you sure the cable box doesn't provide a dual tuner PiP?

My question is why does a STB use a cable card? If they didn't in the past, why now?

As of last July, the FCC required cable operators to provide boxes with separable security. (http://broadcastengineering.com/news/separable-security-mandate-0702/) That means that the box acts like a plain vanilla tuner without any crypto, meaning that a customer can theoretically purchase one at a retail store and use it anywhere in the country as long as they get the appropriate cablecard from their local operator. Once the card has been installed, it's a full-blown 2-way addressable unit.

There are a couple of non-SA CE manufacturers that have announced their own version of an OCAP box. I have yet to see one in a store, but I've heard that Samsung was working on one. And while the MSOs have been complying with the requirements, I don't think the idea has really taken off yet in terms of retail sales, possibly because of all the attention being focused on the DTV transition right now.

Are you sure the cable box doesn't provide a dual tuner PiP?

Nope. Don't know how I could tell.

As of last July, the FCC required cable operators to provide boxes with separable security. (http://broadcastengineering.com/news/separable-security-mandate-0702/) That means that the box acts like a plain vanilla tuner without any crypto, meaning that a customer can theoretically purchase one at a retail store and use it anywhere in the country as long as they get the appropriate cablecard from their local operator. Once the card has been installed, it's a full-blown 2-way addressable unit.

There are a couple of non-SA CE manufacturers that have announced their own version of an OCAP box. I have yet to see one in a store, but I've heard that Samsung was working on one. And while the MSOs have been complying with the requirements, I don't think the idea has really taken off yet in terms of retail sales, possibly because of all the attention being focused on the DTV transition right now.

That article also mentiioned copy protection, but again why worry about that in an STB? Unless the purpose is to keep you from copying more then once to a DVD. You can run component out from the box to a DVD, and possibly a DVR. At least I think you can.

I'll have to look a bit closer at this.

Reminds me of the article in Wall Street Journal the other day about our homes becoming like landfills, since we hate to throw anything away!

& Garages too... sheesh, I have 2 vehicles in need of repair, I just know I'll get only scrap metal price on these in a trade it, & the fact my job can disappear next week don't make matters any better.

I was told by my homeowners association here to scrap my entire basement after the flooding in late July 2006, including a Lathe, 2 cast Iron Table saws, a $1400 washer & dryer pair, & a load of tools that just needed a dryout & oiling... most of this I couldn't remove myself... most of my neighbors did just this, even stuff moved to the lawns for dryout seemed to dissappear by the scrap rummagers.

I still miss that video stabilizer I think went missing because of this :(

I always find out I need what I get rid of, & what I keep, just collects dust.

I guess I AM a little paranoid, but it's mostly just never getting around to putting up an ad or a Craigslist or eBay listing. I don't think I'd get much for it, and I don't know how much I'd list it for - if I even decided to try to actually sell it.

Not to get off the TV topic I put up a Fridge for 20 dollars on CL that was working, no responses, lowered it to 10, still no responses, put it for free, I had 33 responses the first day.... yes, one mans junk is anothers treasure, anyone need any lights or light rope for the holidays?? :) LOL!

Not to get off the TV topic I put up a Fridge for 20 dollars on CL that was working, no responses, lowered it to 10, still no responses, put it for free, I had 33 responses the first day.... yes, one mans junk is anothers treasure, anyone need any lights or light rope for the holidays?? :) LOL!

You have to be tricky sometimes to make a buck. The reason you got so many responses on the "free" ad, is because those people only look at the "free" ads, and not the others.
I would have put an ad in the FREE section saying... "$35 or best offer, if someone doesn't want it within 3 days, I'll put it out on the curb."
I bet you would have gotten $20 out of it then. :)

FWIW I suppose when I get HDMI I could use the Components to go to a DVD? Or will it only work with S Video and composite?

I'm talking about my SA 4250 box.

FWIW I suppose when I get HDMI I could use the Components to go to a DVD? Or will it only work with S Video and composite?

I'm talking about my SA 4250 box.

If the DVD player has component outputs, you can connect it to the component input on the TV. If the DVD player only has a S-Video output, then you'll have to use that. When I went HD, everything got an upgrade. My SA cable box is connected using the Component input and the DVD player is connected using the S-Video. I do have two component inputs(actually three if you count the inconvenient ones on the side). But the DVD player only has S Video and composite.

Your dvd player doesn't even have component output :eek:. When the heck did you get it... 1992?... WOW!

Your dvd player doesn't even have component output :eek:. When the heck did you get it... 1992?... WOW!

2000 or 2001. Back when they were really new and really expensive(I think it was over $150). Before DVD players became mainstreamed and now they have crummy, crappy ones at Walmart and Target for $25 around the holidays.

I don't want to replace it because it is good quality(a larger unit compared to the smaller, flimsy ones I've seen now) and it's a name brand(GE) not some unknown Japanese brand.

And they didn't even have DVDs in 1992. :p:p:p

2000 or 2001. Back when they were really new and really expensive(I think it was over $150). Before DVD players became mainstreamed and now they have crummy, crappy ones at Walmart and Target for $25 around the holidays.

I don't want to replace it because it is good quality(a larger unit compared to the smaller, flimsy ones I've seen now) and it's a name brand(GE) not some unknown Japanese brand.

And they didn't even have DVDs in 1992. :p:p:p

I know they didn't have dvds in '92, I was just trying to exagerate a bit. :D

If you have an HD display, you owe it to yourself to get a better player. It doesn't have to cost a lot of money either.
The player you have may be "high quality", but the hardware inside is extremely outdated. Upgrading that player will GREATLY improve the picture quality of your dvds.

Since HDMI is all the craze, and if your display is not HDMI compliant, then you could probably pick up a used high end player for very cheap. Some people paid hundreds for those players just several years ago, and now lust for the new stuff and sell their old stuff for cheap.
Please realize, when I say cheap, I mean $100 or more for a player that may have retailed for like $799.
If that's not your cup of tea, there are still some quality players out there that can be had for less than $100, but then you get what you pay for too... and $100 doesn't buy much now_a_days :).

FWIW Armstrong answered part of my prayer and added FNC-HD over the weekend. All I need is TWC, NHL and CNBC and I'll be all set! :)

You can check off one more. Armstrong just added NHL-HD.

Still got my fingers crossed for Big 10 one of these days!

If the DVD player has component outputs, you can connect it to the component input on the TV. If the DVD player only has a S-Video output, then you'll have to use that. When I went HD, everything got an upgrade. My SA cable box is connected using the Component input and the DVD player is connected using the S-Video. I do have two component inputs(actually three if you count the inconvenient ones on the side). But the DVD player only has S Video and composite.

Thanks, but that wasn't what I was asking.

What I was asking is can hook up the component outputs of the box to the component input of a DVD recorder, while I use the HDMI to go from box to television. I would then use component from DVD back to television.

And Smarty Pants is absolutely right. You don't have to purchase a Blu-Ray player but at least get a DVD that has component and Progressive capability. Also you can tell the DVD that you have a 16x9 screen and DVD's that are capable of being shown on 16x9 without being HD will show on 480P and they look fantastic.

I've never seen a blu-ray and I imagine it is better but I think the pq of 480P on a 16x9 television is fantastic. There is no stretching so it looks almost as good as HD IMHO.

Now if you have to stretch it or watch it in letterbox that takes away from the quality but most DVD's today are set to play on 16x9 format if your DVD player knows you have 16X9 television.

You can check off one more. Armstrong just added NHL-HD.

Still got my fingers crossed for Big 10 one of these days!

And they are adding all this without SDV.

As far as the content they are adding, I'm happy for you but I'm not a hockey fan. And I still don't see the big deal about Big 10, there are a million college games on ESPN and other networks.

FWIW I suppose when I get HDMI I could use the Components to go to a DVD? Or will it only work with S Video and composite?

I'm talking about my SA 4250 box.

Typically an active HDMI connection takes over the whole device and the other outputs (except for digital audio) are turned off. This is not a defect; it's an intentional result of the copyright restrictions on digital outputs. The other outputs remain off until the HDMI connection is removed or otherwise deactivated (some input selectors on TVs deactivate them when not in use).

As far as the content they are adding, I'm happy for you but I'm not a hockey fan. And I still don't see the big deal about Big 10, there are a million college games on ESPN and other networks.

We're all entitled to our wants. Since I grew up in Big 10 country, it would be great to have. I imagine that my feeling toward Big 10 would be kind of like if there was a channel that had nothing but shows about birds in Dodger uniforms for you. ;)

But, you're right. No SDV. And from the sounds of it, I'm glad. Phone, 133 SD channels with most mirrored on QAM, 37 HD channels (excluding the premiums), 2 DVRs, and a 5 Mbps internet pipe for $110 per month -- regular price. I'm not complaining.

And, yes, I like to rub things in now and then. :D

WOW has recently added some new channels to their HD line up:

http://www1.wowway.com/?event=chanline.print&region=CLE

I think the new adds were FX, Fox News, Nat Geo and 1 or 2 others.

They've also doubled internet speeds for all customers, at no additional charge. My 6/1 plan is now bumped up to 15/2.

Edit: WOW did not add any new channels, I misread the bill I got. They moved these channels to the standard Digital Cable tier.

Typically an active HDMI connection takes over the whole device and the other outputs (except for digital audio) are turned off. This is not a defect; it's an intentional result of the copyright restrictions on digital outputs. The other outputs remain off until the HDMI connection is removed or otherwise deactivated (some input selectors on TVs deactivate them when not in use).

Yes, I kind of thought that was the way it would work. And for exactly the reasons you mention.

Well, I wasn't intending to use a DVD recorder but I have one sitting around right now and it's now sitting on a shelf, only about a year old. It's strictly a recorder/player and it does not have a television tuner in it so I've had no use for it. No place to even run a cable coax cord in it, just component, composite, S Video.

Goes back to what we talking about earlier. Here I got all this stuff and it's sitting on shelves and such.

WOW has recently added some new channels to their HD line up:

http://www1.wowway.com/?event=chanline.print&region=CLE

I think the new adds were FX, Fox News, Nat Geo and 1 or 2 others.

They've also doubled internet speeds for all customers, at no additional charge. My 6/1 plan is now bumped up to 15/2.

Edit: WOW did not add any new channels, I misread the bill I got. They moved these channels to the standard Digital Cable tier.

And they've added a bunch of VOD ch's/services in last few months. :cool:
I'm on the lower speed internet pkg so my "bump" was only from 6mbps to 8mbps.

I've been looking for updates from those people who reported receiving letters that TW was going to implement SDV apparently only in some local areas. I just wanted to see how that was working for you, did they actually do it on 10/20, or is this just another TW smoke screen?

I'm also curious in that letter that you received did it say why they were implementing SDV? The reason I ask that is my thinking would be the letter would go out in an attempt to assure people who use HD that they would be getting more bandwith for the use of HD. By doing that it might delay customer decisions to want to stick one of those dishes on their roof.

My only concern about SDV at this point upon seeing the channels they intend to put on there and the fact that eventually the Tuner Resolver will be available for us TiVo owners is how it will work. As I mentioned previously just bringing up On Demand is extremely slow and if this is the same basis of SDV, you probably have to tune in your television about 5 minutes early if you're using a DVR. Now I realize it doesn't take 5 minutes but it doesn't take 30 seconds either. It takes too long.

So how about some reports? Has it been implemented? Is it working if it has been?

Or is it like the people at the Macedonia office seem to think: "SDV, we haven't heard anything about SDV.":D;)

I would not for one minute put it past Time Warner to attempt to launch a campaign based of false promises in an attempt for customer retention, and it's interesting that those letters seemed to be in primarily the old Comcast area.

If TW would simply quit being so cheap we should be having new HD channels now! I think they are treating us like garbage and the nerve they have to charge 5.00 extra for a HD tier that has 3 stations is crazy.

Your turn, nickdawg.:)

coming next week.

Fox Ohio in HD will be added again just in time for Cavs season..

so there !!!...another FREE..hd channel from Time Warner...lol

Hi Hook,

Even though I received the letter here in NR, the 20th came and went with no SDV. A few days later I spotted a TWC truck doing an install across the street and went over to chat him up. I asked him about new generation dvr box's, new HD channels, and SDV. He didn't seem to know much about anything (no suprise here) but he did say that he heard that SDV had been postponed.

Ben Music

Last few days 25.1 has been locked in solid OTA, as good as all the big guys.
JJK

Last few days 25.1 has been locked in solid OTA, as good as all the big guys.
JJK

JJK,

I was very suprised when I discovered that 25-1, 25-2,
25-3, and 25-4 OTA were all coming in loud and clear, all
the way out here in North Ridgeville. When I checked this
morning, 25-1 had on a HD kids show that was as clear as a bell.

Ben Music

coming next week.

Fox Ohio in HD will be added again just in time for Cavs season..

so there !!!...another FREE..hd channel from Time Warner...lol

Not exactly...It's been on the TW Channel guide for sometime.

It's just going to be active now.

Yes, I kind of thought that was the way it would work. And for exactly the reasons you mention.

Well, I wasn't intending to use a DVD recorder but I have one sitting around right now and it's now sitting on a shelf, only about a year old. It's strictly a recorder/player and it does not have a television tuner in it so I've had no use for it. No place to even run a cable coax cord in it, just component, composite, S Video.

Goes back to what we talking about earlier. Here I got all this stuff and it's sitting on shelves and such.
Are you sure that the component jacks are inputs? Since DVD is an SD format it could not record anytning higher than 480. Most of the DVD recorders I have seen has composite and S-video inputs and component, composite and S-video outputs. Some DVD recorders can output upconverted to higher resolutions but I have yet to see one that takes an HD input.

Not exactly...It's been on the TW Channel guide for sometime.

It's just going to be active now.

And if you really wanna get technical about it, the "FSN Ohio/Cavs HD" channel is basically just the old "HD Bonus" (798) channel moved into the new lineup for us former Adelphia types...and it's the old "Cavaliers HD" channel for legacy TWC types. :D

They're even using the same character generator they used on "HD Bonus" between events. The only difference now is that there is no Indians overlap, due to STO HD being up, and of course, the Indians season being over anyway.

I still want to know when they're going 24/7 on FSN Ohio HD. I'm assuming that's in the works.

Are you sure that the component jacks are inputs? Since DVD is an SD format it could not record anytning higher than 480. Most of the DVD recorders I have seen has composite and S-video inputs and component, composite and S-video outputs. Some DVD recorders can output upconverted to higher resolutions but I have yet to see one that takes an HD input.

I hadn't looked at it for a while but you are correct, it has only one sort of input and that is composite.

But what's weird (I think) with this DVD player is it does not have any other input source. It has a coaxial output but no input. It also has an HDMI output.:confused: Why in the world would you need that with just composite.

I don't think I looked very hard at this thing when I bought it, at the time I was using SA DVR and I think my idea was I was going to replace the DVR recorder for the television but instead I got this thing and didn't realize it didn't have a tuner. So I brought it upstairs to use with my old STB and then once I got my HD TiVo I retired it.

I think I recorded maybe 5 dvd's on it.:o

I still want to know when they're going 24/7 on FSN Ohio HD. I'm assuming that's in the works.

Of course it is! If you call customer service they will tell you they are in negotiations. Go ahead, give them a call and get back to me.:D

Of course it is! If you call customer service they will tell you they are in negotiations. Go ahead, give them a call and get back to me.:D

No, we already know FSN's regionals will go 24/7...TWC customer service isn't involved here.

I hadn't looked at it for a while but you are correct, it has only one sort of input and that is composite.

But what's weird (I think) with this DVD player is it does not have any other input source. It has a coaxial output but no input. It also has an HDMI output.:confused: Why in the world would you need that with just composite.

I don't think I looked very hard at this thing when I bought it, at the time I was using SA DVR and I think my idea was I was going to replace the DVR recorder for the television but instead I got this thing and didn't realize it didn't have a tuner. So I brought it upstairs to use with my old STB and then once I got my HD TiVo I retired it.

I think I recorded maybe 5 dvd's on it.:o

Hook, look again. It's got to have more than just a composite input. There has to be a way for it to record the sound. (no audio over composite, just video)
What is the make and model of the unit?

Hook, look again. It's got to have more than just a composite input. There has to be a way for it to record the sound. (no audio over composite, just video)
What is the make and model of the unit?

Well of course it has sound input. I didn't think I had to spell that one out to you.;)

It has composite and sound. It also has S video in. That's it.

When have you ever seen a composite set up that didn't have audio? You got your yellow for video and red and white for audio.

Ouput has composite (and sound) S video (and sound) component, and HDMI.

I suppose the HDMI is there for high def televisions because it does have a screen setting on it for 16x9, and as pointed out previously component.

Just no tv tuner.

No, we already know FSN's regionals will go 24/7...TWC customer service isn't involved here.

Customer Service isn't involved with TWC period.:rolleyes:

What makes you think that TWC NEO is going to carry it 24/7?

I just spoke with Time Warner retention and there is no news on SDV.

They still only have the 2 for 1 special on movie channels (HBO and Cinemax).

I upgraded to Turbo Internet Access and I'm now getting 6-7 Mega Bits Per Second but I do have a VUDU attached to my network.

Well of course it has sound input. I didn't think I had to spell that one out to you.;)

It has composite and sound. It also has S video in. That's it.

When have you ever seen a composite set up that didn't have audio? You got your yellow for video and red and white for audio.

Ouput has composite (and sound) S video (and sound) component, and HDMI.

I suppose the HDMI is there for high def televisions because it does have a screen setting on it for 16x9, and as pointed out previously component.

Just no tv tuner.

Well, I knew that it did have an audio input, just wondered what it was to try and help you out. Of course you know to use the s-vid and not the composite if you can ;).
The only reason you'd have an HDMI output (since the input is limited to 480p, and there is no internal tuner) is if the player actually upconverts dvds to 720p/1080i/1080p... because you can not output those resolutions over component (unless you strip the HDCP), and s-vid is limited to 480p.

I think I heard that some of the newer recorders will accept and record an HD signal. Don't hold me to that though, it's been quite a while since I looked at dvd recorders.

anyone else have really crappy sound coming out of their sub when watching ABC? I have ABC through Directv and my Subwoofer when people talk sound really really bad....so far only on ABC that I can tell, and I am hoping its a ABC thing and not a SubWoofer going bad thing :)

I had the same problem the other day with ABC on TWC.

anyone else have really crappy sound coming out of their sub when watching ABC? I have ABC through Directv and my Subwoofer when people talk sound really really bad....so far only on ABC that I can tell, and I am hoping its a ABC thing and not a SubWoofer going bad thing :)

I have noticed this recently too. I hear it OTA and via TWC. It sounds like a low frequency over compressed pop only audible in the sub-woofer. Very annoying.

Ray

yeah I actually unplugged my Sub when playing back Pusing Daisies....it got annoying quick, and I just flipped to some football it was there again, so I turned on the perfect storm on HBO and it sounded great.

WEWS

Here are three consecutive posts about a sound problem. Does your engineer wear a hearing aid?

Ray

I hope it doesn't screw up the game tonight :eek::(.

I will just unplug my Sub again, I mean really there isnt alot of lows other then voice which come through, but the gentle hum of a sub really adds to a game, of course right now, the nasty pop/buzz of my sub is killing me right now.

WEWS

Here are three consecutive posts about a sound problem. Does your engineer wear a hearing aid?

Ray

Just to play devils advocate, because I really don't care about the game tonight how do you know this is WEWS problem? It could be a network issue.

And since it's Saturday I got a feeling that WEWS engineer probably is a. not at the studio and b. doesn't even look at this forum.

How about posing the question of the woofer over on this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1078620)since it concerns broadcast of the ABC games today?

Just to play devils advocate, because I really don't care about the game tonight how do you know this is WEWS problem? It could be a network issue.

And since it's Saturday I got a feeling that WEWS engineer probably is a. not at the studio and b. doesn't even look at this forum.

How about posing the question of the woofer over on this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1078620)since it concerns broadcast of the ABC games today?

Well its the only channel I have heard it on, and its been going on all week.

just checked again, checked channel 19 and it sounded great, back to channel 5 and there it is (dont really know how to describe it.)

Well its the only channel I have heard it on, and its been going on all week.

just checked again, checked channel 19 and it sounded great, back to channel 5 and there it is (dont really know how to describe it.)

Heh heh. Just out of curiosity I got up to put the television on WEWS and I didn't realize it but it already is on WEWS. It almost sounds like wind blowing, that's how I would describe it.

But interestingly enough I don't hear it on the commercials. And the commercials appear to be local, so I suspect the network.

Customer Service isn't involved with TWC period.:rolleyes:

What makes you think that TWC NEO is going to carry it 24/7?

I just now realized that they don't actually have even that placeholder channel they used to have at 436. It's totally off the guide.

I have no idea. Screw 'em.

I've been looking for updates from those people who reported receiving letters that TW was going to implement SDV apparently only in some local areas. I just wanted to see how that was working for you, did they actually do it on 10/20, or is this just another TW smoke screen?

I was able to tune in HBO-West on my Tivo earlier today, and this is one of the channels that was supposed to be moved to SDV on 10/20. It seems this hasn't happened yet. (Been out of town the past week, so I'm catching up....)


I'm also curious in that letter that you received did it say why they were implementing SDV? The reason I ask that is my thinking would be the letter would go out in an attempt to assure people who use HD that they would be getting more bandwith for the use of HD. By doing that it might delay customer decisions to want to stick one of those dishes on their roof.

"SDV is a particularly exciting bandwidth-management breakthrough that makes it possible for us to offer many additional services. SDV allows us to provide these additional services, while at the same time continuing to offer existing services, because channels delivered using SDV are transmitted over the cable system only on an as-needed basis. As a result, SDV uses system capacity more efficiently than the traditional, always-on method."

I was able to tune in HBO-West on my Tivo earlier today, and this is one of the channels that was supposed to be moved to SDV on 10/20. It seems this hasn't happened yet. (Been out of town the past week, so I'm catching up....)[/quit]

Thanks. Not surprising, as I said before TW never does anything when they say they will.

[QUOTE=mnowlin;14943568]"SDV is a particularly exciting bandwidth-management breakthrough that makes it possible for us to offer many additional services. SDV allows us to provide these additional services, while at the same time continuing to offer existing services, because channels delivered using SDV are transmitted over the cable system only on an as-needed basis. As a result, SDV uses system capacity more efficiently than the traditional, always-on method."

Again thanks for taking the time and trouble to print that out word for word.

Now if you were your average cable user who didn't talk in forums and fully understand what SDV is would this mean anything to you? Think about it. Most people are not as up to date on these matters as we are. I would probably read this and start hearing the "Charlie Brown" noise.:D Wah, wah, wha, wha,.........

Probably what the OTA people think if they get this far.:)

It really baffles me why they would send out letters to only a certain segment of the TW area and not even inform their own employees about the possibility of the word spreading around.

It will get here eventually, no doubt. But it's still not an excuse for them not to be adding HD channels right now.

Just my opinion. YMMV

No, it's not Navigator software. It's SARA. And it's not a DVR, just an STB.

But I will say this: If SDV works anything at all like On Demand, then it is slow, slow, slow.

If you don't mind me asking, exactly what model STB DO you have at this point? I was only aware of one cablecard box (should be suffixed with HDC afaik. May be wrong.) and that is the 8300HDC.

EDIT: Nvm. I see SA finally updated their website recently and have the 4250's in HDC form. Joooooooys. Another performance lousy box to deal with.

And yes, others have confirmed just what I stated earlier on. The FCC put in that regulation requiring cable companies to buy NEW boxes (when they needed to, not on the FCC's command.) with the separated crypto functions meaning it's sent out to the cablecard slot instead of using an internal chip to do it. WHY they are doing this when you can't even buy the SA STB's as a consumer, I have no friggin' idea. All customer available 'cable devices', be it tv's, dvr's, whathaveyou, already have some form of cablecard interface to begin with (mind you, current tv's do not. But tru2way coming will bring them back. And if you are really hard up for it, you can get a set a few generations back with a cablecard interface).

EDIT: Nvm. I see SA finally updated their website recently and have the 4250's in HDC form. Joooooooys. Another performance lousy box to deal with.



Dead wrong there. This STB works just fine. And I if you look back at my post you will see I put the model number in the title.

I think comparing the 4250 with the SA 8300 HDC is totally off base. Again it uses SARA, not Navigator software. You can simply punch in a channel with the key pad on the remote and get there. As I understand it with Navigator you have to use the guide.

Really the only difference I see in this STB and the old one is that it does have a cable card in it and it has an HDMI output that's active. And the HDMI output is a plus.

This is a nice STB, it seems to deliver a good quality analog picture as well. All this and the SARA software I knocked so frequently. But then again it is not a DVR.:) Perhaps SARA works better in STB's then DVR's.

The last time I came in here and started ripping the Browns for interferring with the NLCS, they beat the World Champion Giants much to my amazement! I kept my mouth shut last week and look what happened.

So I'll try it again.

Thanks, CBS for putting the Brownies on at 4:00 pm instead of having them at 1:00 pm. Since you don't have the double header that means that this big bunch of losers are going to make all my HD shows on CBS record in SD while taking up the same amount of space as a regular HD show!

This I have to put up with while we count the penalties and watch DA take 3 quarters before he gets his arm warmed up. Then when he does hit his mark Edwards will drop it. And not to mention that big mouth KW2 has been benched.

Let's see how have the Titans been playing. Why it appears they have been fantastic. 6 wins, no losses. Whoops I mean 7 wins, might as well say it now and get it over with.

And now that Brady Quinn has shown his support for John McCain, is there any question as to why his head coach doesn't play him? I mean do you think Romeo will vote for McCain?

OK, that's about as hard as I can rip them. I am serious about not watching my shows in HD.:mad:

And before someone ask, yes I can cancel the recordings and put in on TW converted digital:rolleyes: instead but at least I can still get Dolby 5.1 sound.

Just to play devils advocate, because I really don't care about the game tonight how do you know this is WEWS problem? It could be a network issue.

And since it's Saturday I got a feeling that WEWS engineer probably is a. not at the studio and b. doesn't even look at this forum.

How about posing the question of the woofer over on this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1078620)since it concerns broadcast of the ABC games today?

You are right, it could be a network issue too. I'm Sorry. I thought this was a thread for discussing local reception issues. EXCUUUSE MEEEE!

Ray

You are right, it could be a network issue too. I'm Sorry. I thought this was a thread for discussing local reception issues. EXCUUUSE MEEEE!

Ray

You mistook what I was trying to say. I didn't mean it like "take your silly little problem over to this thread." I was actually trying to be helpfull by suggesting if you posted over there to see if anyone else was having problems as well.

I apologize if you thought I meant it in a rude way. That was not my intent.

OK, that's about as hard as I can rip them. I am serious about not watching my shows in HD.:mad:

And before someone ask, yes I can cancel the recordings and put in on TW converted digital:rolleyes: instead but at least I can still get Dolby 5.1 sound.

I'm not sure you can blame CBS here. Aren't the regular schedules set up by the NFL? CBS pretty much has to air them as scheduled.

NBC has the "flexible" Sunday night scheduling later in the season, but I think that's basically the only time any network has input into this.

Go ahead and blame WOIO for not having HD recording equipment to delay the shows in HD. That's easy enough to do, since it's WOIO we're talking about here.

This isn't a big deal to me, as the only way it affects me is having to add an hour padding to my recording of "The Amazing Race" - which is not in HD, anyway.

Here is the Time Warner request form for the SDV Tuning Adapter for TiVo:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/Products/Cable/sdv/order_sdv.html

OK, before I start screaming at TWC...

Does anyone in the former Adelphia area, with HD service, have 436 ("Cavaliers HD")?

Since we talked about it here, I went to the guide on my SA8000HD, and there is indeed no placeholder for 436. (I know it was there when they first merged the lineups.)

I contacted TWC CS via their website, and we've been E-Mailing back and forth. They suggested a box reboot, which I did, and no 436. Their next move was to automatically schedule a technician visit for Monday, which I have to reschedule. (How in the world could a truck roll fix this, anyway?)

So, I'm wondering if any ex-Adelphia types have 436 in the HD lineup, even if it's just blank with a display screen right now.

If no one in the ex-Adelphia area has 436 right now, I'll E-Mail them back and tell 'em not to waste their time trying to solve it with me, alone. (I believe the "legacy" TWC folks out of Akron have it.)

Here is the Time Warner request form for the SDV Tuning Adapter for TiVo:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/Products/Cable/sdv/order_sdv.html

Thank You very much!!!!!!:)

They should have had quantity needed however on the form.

How come nobody called me out on Browns not playing the Titans. They are playing Jacksonville!

Oh well, right now they are winning. I just missed by a couple of states or so.:o

OK, before I start screaming at TWC...

Does anyone in the former Adelphia area, with HD service, have 436 ("Cavaliers HD")?

Since we talked about it here, I went to the guide on my SA8000HD, and there is indeed no placeholder for 436. (I know it was there when they first merged the lineups.)

I contacted TWC CS via their website, and we've been E-Mailing back and forth. They suggested a box reboot, which I did, and no 436. Their next move was to automatically schedule a technician visit for Monday, which I have to reschedule. (How in the world could a truck roll fix this, anyway?)

So, I'm wondering if any ex-Adelphia types have 436 in the HD lineup, even if it's just blank with a display screen right now.

If no one in the ex-Adelphia area has 436 right now, I'll E-Mail them back and tell 'em not to waste their time trying to solve it with me, alone. (I believe the "legacy" TWC folks out of Akron have it.)

No, it's not there. I looked on my TiVo guide and it has 436 listed as "local sports" same as 437. But the guide on the 4250 doesn't have it at all.

Screwed you again, didn't they?

You mistook what I was trying to say. I didn't mean it like "take your silly little problem over to this thread." I was actually trying to be helpfull by suggesting if you posted over there to see if anyone else was having problems as well.

I apologize if you thought I meant it in a rude way. That was not my intent.

Well nowhere on the national thread did they mention it. But i agree that it was somewhere between ABC and WEWS-DT cuz local ad spots weren't affected but national ones were. Then why did no one else nationally complain. Hmm.

Yes, it sounded like a compression artifact, but only under 80hz or so. It was VERY annoying; I turned down the sub channel trim and had to remember to reset it.

Nice Browns win....what a Jekyll/Hyde team.

No, it's not there. I looked on my TiVo guide and it has 436 listed as "local sports" same as 437. But the guide on the 4250 doesn't have it at all.


That's what I thought. I did manage to cancel the visit tomorrow, though with my luck, I'll be waist high in packing and they'll show up anyway. What in the world would a tech do? Replace my box?

Nope, if you're not getting it on your 4250, that means it hasn't been turned on here in former Adelphia-land yet. Someone in the Erie thread said they have 436, but they're in on the city system, which I'm pretty sure is the legacy TWC system.

I'm actually kind of impressed with the E-Mail customer service, though I'm wondering if it's done here...or if it's not outsourced, by people here with a tortured writing style. :D

How come nobody called me out on Browns not playing the Titans. They are playing Jacksonville!

I saw that, but thought you also followed the Titans for some reason. Everything south of Cincinnati kinda runs together for me, anyway. ;)

They should have had quantity needed however on the form.

I just filled out the form, but I have this feeling that it was something whipped together to address some complaints and the data may never see the light of day... The form looked like a "proof of concept" thing that I would throw together in about five minutes.

Time will tell...

I know this has been covered elsewhere in the 500+ pages of this forum (I'm too lazy to look it up) but could the OTA crowd please advise me on whether or not we'll still have a digital local broadcasting in the VHF range after the February conversion date in '09?

OK, before I start screaming at TWC...

Does anyone in the former Adelphia area, with HD service, have 436 ("Cavaliers HD")?


Fox Sports HD (436) had been off the guide for a couple months I think, but it just showed up again Saturday night in this area.

I know this has been covered elsewhere in the 500+ pages of this forum (I'm too lazy to look it up) but could the OTA crowd please advise me on whether or not we'll still have a digital local broadcasting in the VHF range after the February conversion date in '09?

I think 19 WOIO stays on VHF and 8 WJW is moving to VHF.

But then, at my age, my mind is as unreliable as my WVIZ reception. :rolleyes:

Thanks, CBS for putting the Brownies on at 4:00 pm instead of having them at 1:00 pm. Since you don't have the double header that means that this big bunch of losers are going to make all my HD shows on CBS record in SD while taking up the same amount of space as a regular HD show!

I am serious about not watching my shows in HD.:mad:

And before someone ask, yes I can cancel the recordings and put in on TW converted digital:rolleyes: instead but at least I can still get Dolby 5.1 sound.
Hook, yesterday they were delayed only 5 minutes and they were on in HD. In fact, this season, all the CBS delayed shows on Sunday have been in HD... even 60 minutes. I usually try to record Cold Case and The Unit and I use the "clock" on 60 minutes to tell me how much to delay the recording times.... The ones I remembered to record have all been in HD, even the half-hour delay of last week....

Hook, yesterday they were delayed only 5 minutes and they were on in HD. In fact, this season, all the CBS delayed shows on Sunday have been in HD... even 60 minutes. I usually try to record Cold Case and The Unit and I use the "clock" on 60 minutes to tell me how much to delay the recording times.... The ones I remembered to record have all been in HD, even the half-hour delay of last week....

Yep, I checked at 7:05 and 60 minutes was just starting up, and it was in HD so I figured they would be. I added 5 minutes on to The Unit, that should cover it.

In regards to every show being in HD this season I think that was more luck then anything else. A couple of times the Browns either had a bye, Monday Night Football, or the double header was on Fox and didn't affect CBS because the Browns because they were on FOX.

I just sat down to mention that, you beat me to the punch. ;)
And didn't they have one Sunday Night Football game?

I think 19 WOIO stays on VHF and 8 WJW is moving to VHF.

But then, at my age, my mind is as unreliable as my WVIZ reception. :rolleyes:

No, you are correct...WJW moves to VHF 8 digital at the transition, and WOIO will stay on VHF 10, with a slight power upgrade after the transition.

In regards to CBS' Sunday night schedule...I think it's mostly controlled at the network level in regards to the late game ends, not locally like I mentioned before. The problem may not be WOIO delaying, but CBS not delaying the feed in HD.

I'm guessing this only happens when there are more than a certain number of games, if CBS was indeed in HD for prime time on Sunday. (As mentioned, the show I watch isn't in HD, so I didn't notice it, but I did catch the last few minutes of "60 Minutes" and now remember it was HD...)

I have another issue regarding last night's CBS programming here in Cleveland. I noticed that "The Unit" was not in Dolby Digital 5.1 (my pre/pro had shifted from DD and was using Neural THX (I use it for two channel instead of DPL IIx)). I checked further on the pre/pro and confirmed I was receiving only FR and FL audio. I was using OTA; but checked and confirmed that the D* MPEG4 feed was the same. I didn't have any DD issues on other channels.

Is anyone else aware of WOIO have DD issues. It took them so long to implement DD, I sure hope any issue is of a short duration.

Anyone else notice that on Saturdays FOX-8 News is in 4X3 instead of 16X9? I wonder why? Is it possible that the master controll staff that works on Saturdays doesn't know how to switch to HD?

I hope someone from the station reads this. It really looks bad to run "FOX-8 News in HD" on the graphics and not actually be in HD. It also looks bad when they show a 4 X 3 clip because I can see a small portion of the side bars.

Anyone else notice that on Saturdays FOX-8 News is in 4X3 instead of 16X9? I wonder why? Is it possible that the master controll staff that works on Saturdays doesn't know how to switch to HD?

I hope someone from the station reads this. It really looks bad to run "FOX-8 News in HD" on the graphics and not actually be in HD. It also looks bad when they show a 4 X 3 clip because I can see a small portion of the side bars.

I would be that's just temporary. Maybe they were working on something.

I have another issue regarding last night's CBS programming here in Cleveland. I noticed that "The Unit" was not in Dolby Digital 5.1 (my pre/pro had shifted from DD and was using Neural THX (I use it for two channel instead of DPL IIx)). I checked further on the pre/pro and confirmed I was receiving only FR and FL audio. I was using OTA; but checked and confirmed that the D* MPEG4 feed was the same. I didn't have any DD issues on other channels.

Is anyone else aware of WOIO have DD issues. It took them so long to implement DD, I sure hope any issue is of a short duration.

It will take me about two weeks for me to answer that.:) I'm a bit behind on my viewing. But thanks for the heads up. I hope everyone else was on Dolby 5.1.

Speaking of Dolby 5.1, I've sent an email to the CW main email line about no rear speakers. I told them that I downloaded one from another station and it seems to be a WBNX problem. I also made sure that I told them I had destroyed the copy and not distributed it.

I also left the head engineer a voice mail. We will see if I get a response.

I would be that's just temporary. Maybe they were working on something.

If it's temporary, why do I see it so often? It seems to happen every time I get to watch a Saturday FOX 8 newscast. I have seen it now on both the 1/2 hour 6:00 PM newscast as well as the 10 PM hour-long newscast (yes I realize there have been sports preemptions). The point is, from my observation, if it's a Saturday the news is SD.

If they are "working on something" why don't they do the work during the times the program is off the air? It's my impression as a viewer that their Saturday technical staff does not know how to switch the HD on or that they are not permitted by the "regular crew" to switch the HD on. In either case it looks bad for them to promote themselves as the first news in HD while in 4X3.

BTW: this observation began while they were still a FOX O&O and continues now that the station has been sold.

EDIT: I just posted this question on FOX-8's "Sound Off". We'll see what happens.

If it's temporary, why do I see it so often? It seems to happen every time I get to watch a Saturday FOX 8 newscast. I have seen it now on both the 1/2 hour 6:00 PM newscast as well as the 10 PM hour-long newscast (yes I realize there have been sports preemptions). The point is, from my observation, if it's a Saturday the news is SD.

If they are "working on something" why don't they do the work during the times the program is off the air? It's my impression as a viewer that their Saturday technical staff does not know how to switch the HD on or that they are not permitted by the "regular crew" to switch the HD on. In either case it looks bad for them to promote themselves as the first news in HD while in 4X3.

BTW: this observation began while they were still a FOX O&O and continues now that the station has been sold.

EDIT: I just posted this question on FOX-8's "Sound Off". We'll see what happens.

You know when you posted that something went off in the back of my mind, "Did I see that a while back?"

Seems dumb, but they got new owners now, you know?

Thank god I'm not the only one with the WEWS LFE problems... I first noticed it on Saturday during the Buckeyes game. Then again tonight while my wife watched Desperate Housewives... I don't know if it is fixed yet, but it was a problem as of 10pm Sunday night. I almost yelled at her for blowing the sub! I don't see how this can be going on for this many days without them fixing it... Do they not even know??? It's definitely a local problem as it was there on my Dish, Stuarts DirecTV, TWC and OTA...

Thank god I'm not the only one with the WEWS LFE problems... I first noticed it on Saturday during the Buckeyes game. Then again tonight while my wife watched Desperate Housewives... I don't know if it is fixed yet, but it was a problem as of 10pm Sunday night. I almost yelled at her for blowing the sub! I don't see how this can be going on for this many days without them fixing it... Do they not even know??? It's definitely a local problem as it was there on my Dish, Stuarts DirecTV, TWC and OTA...

I don't know why you are so certain it's a local problem. Probably it is but I know when I was watching during the commercials on Saturday that were local the problem was not there. And every show described is a network show.

But let's say it is a local problem. Or even if it isn't what can you do? I'm more upset about CW and no sound from the rear speakers and I've called, emailed, and so far have got nothing.

Maybe WEWS will be more responsive. Call them, it's not hard to find the number and tell them. Email them. Heck, email ABC or Scripts Broadcasting.

I'm sure they are aware because they do have sound engineers.

Fortunately for me since I'm about a week and a half behind on viewing I haven't ran into this problem yet. But if I do, I'll change my sound to Dolby to PCM and then run my amp at Dolby II Movie to get around it.

And that's something you can do to get around it yourselves. I know TW's box let's you do it, I'm not sure about the Sats. or OTA. TiVo also allows this.

......... But if I do, I'll change my sound to Dolby to PCM and then run my amp at Dolby II Movie to get around it.

And that's something you can do to get around it yourselves. I know TW's box let's you do it, I'm not sure about the Sats. or OTA. TiVo also allows this.

Yes, any 2 ch audio can be "matrixed" into Dolby PL or PLII from any source, assuming you are inputting that audio into a DD capable box (usually done through an AVR).

When I lived in Northern Kentucky around the 4th of July we had a wind storm come through and it knocked out power. It was very hot and no a/c.

This happened about 10:00 pm. By the next morning power was still out. Neighbors were out complaining about it. Finally around 12:00 noon I call Cinergy.

Well, it seems that nobody reported it! so we had a certain area without power simply because no one bothered to call in and notify them.

Within 2 hours a crew was there and power restored.

My point is if you don't tell them, don't assume they know.

I just got this response from WBNX:

Hi HOOK,
Thank you for your feedback. I spoke with our engineering department concerning Dolby 5.1 and they are checking into what the problem may be. Again thank you for bringing it to our attention and I will email you as soon as I have more information.
Thank you for watching WBNX, The CW.

Now I would assume that sound engineers would be aware, and maybe they are but if no one complains, it doesn't get fixed. And if I'm the only one complaining I doubt it will get fixed despite this message.

So I'll make you guys a deal: I'll complain to WEWS if you complain about WBNX.

Maybe we can get the problem resolved.

Hey Hook when that new tivo comes out on Directv, would you consider switching again? I know you had Line of Site problems before, but they are using smaller dishes that would be easier to get some sats as it only neeeds 3 Lnbs and not the 5. I ask becuase I talked to you about getting the tivo series 3 and staying with cable, but I now have 3 tivos in my house with Directv and cant wait for the new Directivo to be released next year.

Hey Hook when that new tivo comes out on Directv, would you consider switching again? I know you had Line of Site problems before, but they are using smaller dishes that would be easier to get some sats as it only neeeds 3 Lnbs and not the 5. I ask becuase I talked to you about getting the tivo series 3 and staying with cable, but I now have 3 tivos in my house with Directv and cant wait for the new Directivo to be released next year.

I still think I would have a line of site problem, in addition I don't know what features they will offer with the new D-TiVo.

Plus I have a lifetime sub for my HD TiVo.

I filled in the form requesting an SDV adapter that was posted here the other day (thanks !). It is interesting that it's the same form that was available for zipcodes in other TWC areas, but for NE OH until a few days the URL posted just redirected you to the generic TWCNEO home page. Anyway, I just got an acknowledgement e-mail back from "D. Jacobs, Corporate Tuning Adapter Desk", acknowledging my request, saying it is not available to the public yet, and that they will get back to me when a release date has been set.

So at least we are on the radar.

Since various updates my TiVo HD has been working pretty well now, and I was on the point of ditching my mostly not used SA 3250HD box, though I'm now a bit nervous of doing this until the whole SDV thing is sorted. I'm not seeing any evidence of SDV being live in my area so far (ex-Adelphia, "Cleveland Suburbs 2").

The idea that SDV is needed for "more bandwidth" is of course complete rubbish - they could add loads more digital/HD channels if they would stop burning capacity on 80+ analog channels. I'm getting very annoyed by the "now available in HD" banners I see on the SciFi and Weather channels when I still have to watch in wobbly analog :-(

I filled in the form requesting an SDV adapter that was posted here the other day (thanks !). It is interesting that it's the same form that was available for zipcodes in other TWC areas, but for NE OH until a few days the URL posted just redirected you to the generic TWCNEO home page. Anyway, I just got an acknowledgement e-mail back from "D. Jacobs, Corporate Tuning Adapter Desk", acknowledging my request, saying it is not available to the public yet, and that they will get back to me when a release date has been set.

So at least we are on the radar.

Yes, I got one too. Notice the part where they say they are still "testing it to make sure it meets quality standards?" It's been tested for a couple of months now.

Since various updates my TiVo HD has been working pretty well now, and I was on the point of ditching my mostly not used SA 3250HD box, though I'm now a bit nervous of doing this until the whole SDV thing is sorted. I'm not seeing any evidence of SDV being live in my area so far (ex-Adelphia, "Cleveland Suburbs 2").

The idea that SDV is needed for "more bandwidth" is of course complete rubbish - they could add loads more digital/HD channels if they would stop burning capacity on 80+ analog channels. I'm getting very annoyed by the "now available in HD" banners I see on the SciFi and Weather channels when I still have to watch in wobbly analog :-([/QUOTE]

Heh Heh....Well, let me tell you you're in for a long period of aggrivation.

They do need more bandwith for additional HD, but that doesn't mean they couldn't if they wanted to even now add another 2 or 3 HD channels. The only reason they haven't is because they are CHEAP.

TW Austin (http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=231&Zip=&Image1.x=17&Image1.y=4)has been full blown SDV for some time. They have about 50 HD channels and many of those are for premium channels.

CableCard Viewable High Definition Basic Digital Tier Standard Premium Mas Canales MOD & Pay-Per-View Sports Package Digital Free On Demand HDTV Tier Movie Pak Sports Pak

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30 E! Entertainment Television 68 FX
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35 TLC: The Learning Channel 73 BET: Black Entertainment Television
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38 ION 76 Galavision
39 Hallmark Channel 77 TWC Local Programming
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180 Hallmark Channel 324 TXCN
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219 Style 381 C-SPAN 2
220 FIT TV 382 C-SPAN 3
225 Discovery Health Channel 408 News 8 Non-Stop Sports
230 The Discovery Channel 410 ESPN
232 National Geographic Channel 411 ESPN-2
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246 The History Channel 433 Fox College Sports Pacific
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255 KLRU-2 436 ESPNU
258 Travel Channel 438 CBS College Sports Network
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270 QVC: Quality Value Convenience Network 471 Versus/Golf Channel HD
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274 TV Superstore 501 TBS Superstation
275 Shop NBC 504 USA
276 Cornerstore 510 TNT
277 Gems TV 515 FX
278 Shop Latino 518 Spike TV
284 Jewelry Channel 520 TV Land
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530 Comedy Central 710 HBO Signature West
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565 Lifetime Movie Network 716 More Max
570 MTV 717 Action Max
571 MTV2 718 Thriller Max
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621 History en Espanol 753 Starz! Kids and Family
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636 Mun2 East - TV / Canal 768 WAM!
637 MTV TR3S 770 Fox Movie Channel
640 Cine Latino Espanol 774 Independent Film Channel (IFC)
644 Discovery en Español 778 Sundance Channel
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649 EWTNESP 802 Music Choice: Today's Country
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702 HBO 2 804 Music Choice: Bluegrass
703 HBO Signature 805 Music Choice: Hip-Hop and R&B
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707 HBO Latino 809 Music Choice: Rap
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819 Music Choice: Lite Hits 1093 Outrageous On Demand
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830 Music Choice: Jazz 1305 Movie Trailers On Demand
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834 Music Choice: Easy Listening 1401 PhotoShow TV
835 Music Choice: Big Band & Swing 1407 TV Guide Spot On Demand
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837 Music Choice: Show Tunes 1409 News & World On Demand
838 Music Choice: Contemporary Christian 1411 Kids On Demand Preschool
839 Music Choice: Gospel 1412 Kids On Demand
840 Music Choice: Classical Masterpieces 1414 Lifestyle On Demand
841 Music Choice: Light Classical 1422 Homes @ Home
842 Music Choice: Pop Latino 1428 Oxygen On Demand
843 Music Choice: Musica Urbana 1431 Exercise TV On Demand
844 Music Choice: Salsa y Merengue 1432 On Demand Health Solutions
845 Music Choice: Mexicana 1434 National Geographic On Demand
846 Music Choice: Rock En Espanol 1440 A&E On Demand
847 Music Choice: Americana 1445 BBC America On Demand
848 Music Choice: Opera 1460 Sports On Demand
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940 Playboy 1479 HD Showcase
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943 TEN Clips 1487 Music Choice On Demand 2
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1001 HD Video On Demand 1512 KVUE 2
1002 Free Movies On Demand 1531 KEYE HD
1003 Events On Demand 1541 KLRU HD
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1620 National Geographic HD 1659 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
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1636 ESPN2 High Definition 1687 MOJO
1637 ESPN News HD 1692 HD Net
1639 Fox Sports - HD 1693 HD Net Movies
1640 Big Ten HD 1698 HD Showcase
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Is anyone else as unimpressed as I am? No FX. No USA.

And they have a channel that shares with Golf, a religious channel?

Give me a break.

Sorry about the way it looks, click on the link for a better view.

When is A T & T Uverse coming to Lorain County? They are adding a lot of hi-def channels.

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=26238 (http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=26238)

When is A T & T Uverse coming to Lorain County? They are adding a lot of hi-def channels.

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=26238 (http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=26238)

Call them and ask. I've heard many people can't get an answer out of them, even those who already have the boxes on their street.

Call them and ask. I've heard many people can't get an answer out of them, even those who already have the boxes on their street.

This is true. They are wacked in the head when it comes to where they do and don't install.
Where my brother lives, to the right 3000 ft down the road, they have U-verse. To the left 2000 ft down the road they have U-verse. The people who live directly behind him (their backyards touch), they have U-verse. However, he keeps asking AT&T when he will have access to U-verse, they keep telling him NEXT YEAR :eek:. I know that doesn't seem far away now, but this is how it's been since spring time.
Here's the topper on the cake... he is a tech supervisor for AT&T, so his answers are coming straight from the horses mouth.

I'll tell you another thing too. In this area (and probably everywhere), Time Warner is losing thousands of customers to U-verse. That's how much they are undercutting TW. They are relentless with their marketing campaign too once they do come to your neighborhood. Back to the old fashioned cold-calling. They knocked on my door at least 4 times over a few weeks time. I guess they thought I was lieing the first 3 times I said no :rolleyes: :D.

When is A T & T Uverse coming to Lorain County? They are adding a lot of hi-def channels.

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=26238 (http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=26238)
The day after they start providing LOCAL phone service in Lorain County!

In other words forgetaboutit! If you are in Windstream territory you can get Dish Networtk (actually anybody can get Dish but if you want "bundled service" check out the old green pickup truck). If you are in Century territory forgetaboutit. If you are in Verizion someday you may have FIOS. But at&t will never be in Lorain County.

OTA 55-1 WBNX had some serious *echo* in their audio feed last night.
Just using 2 ch audio to TV speakers at the time.

Anyone else catch this?

OTA 55-1 WBNX had some serious *echo* in their audio feed last night.
Just using 2 ch audio to TV speakers at the time.

Anyone else catch this?

They had it on cable also.

They had it on cable also.

They may be trying to fix the Dolby 5.1 problem I told them about.

Just a guess.

They may be trying to fix the Dolby 5.1 problem I told them about.

Just a guess.

So, YET AGAIN, we have hookbill to thank for this mess!

Thanks a lot! :D

So, YET AGAIN, we have hookbill to thank for this mess!

Thanks a lot! :D

Oh your quite welcome. After all, they are here to provide me good television.

I got an idea. Get a home theater. The fact that it cost you money, that's your problem. And it's being a good American, the economy is hurting!:D:p;)

Oh your quite welcome. After all, they are here to provide me good television.

I got an idea. Get a home theater. The fact that it cost you money, that's your problem. And it's being a good American, the economy is hurting!:D:p;)

Oh, trust me, I have a very nice home theatre setup. ;)

Generally I just don't bother with turning on a 980 watt amplifier for surround audio when viewing news or sitcoms or general program offerings.
Sports and movies get the full treatment. :)

WKYC Sound Issue: I also had the WEWS LFE noise last week and weekend. Additionally, did anyone notice an occasional "pop" or "crackle" noise when watching "Law and Order SVU" last night. I recorded the show and was able to listen to the noise... It sounds like static, coming through the center channel and occasionally front L/R. I think I remember noticing this over the weekend also with a recording of last weeks "The Office"

Any help is surely appreciated. This only appears to be occuring on Channel 3. All the other stations sound good.

Oh, trust me, I have a very nice home theatre setup. ;)

Generally I just don't bother with turning on a 980 watt amplifier for surround audio when viewing news or sitcoms or general program offerings.
Sports and movies get the full treatment. :)

Bragger!;)

Bragger!;)

Nah. It's a 140 watt x 7 ch AVR. Total watts is just mediocre for HTR usage. The real HTR buffs with dedicated HTR rooms will output watts into the 1,000's to push big speaker systems.

But for my room & setup it's quite incredible at DD and DTS reproduction. With the addition of HD-DVD and Blu-ray this year (see, I am helping the economy :cool:) the HD audio is truly amazing even on my mediocre setup.

But, again, unless it's a movie or sports, I generally don't bother with it.
This is how I justify to my Lib friends that I am "green". :p

I don't know if this has been discussed before. This thread must be by far the most active local thread.

I did a digital channel search last night trying to find 25.1 but instead found 2.1 and 2.2, both of which are duplicates of WKYC 3.1 and 3.2. Are these permanent homes for WKYC, or some unintentional duplication?

It's probably just a glitch with your set and I'd try to rescan it. The actual frequency WKYC is on currently is in channel 2 and is later going to move, but should always stay at 3.1 and 3.2 as the 'visible' channel number as dictated by the PSIP data.

Not sure if this is a DirecTV problem or a WVIZ problem - it's 6pm ET and I should be seeing The Newshour on channel CL25, however I'm getting a 4:3 center-cut of a 16:9 nature program (Desert Speaks) (presumably on one of WVIZ's HD subchannels)

Edit: I think D* has their local tuner tuned to the wrong subchannel. Maybe this is a good sign of soon getting WVIZ HD via DirecTV ...

Thought just occurred to me - why does WVIZ have a different schedule for analog 25 than the main 25.1 HD subchannel? This is going to be a problem for providers like DirecTV - how the heck are they supposed to know when to start using the digital sub for regular programming instead of the analog? As it is now, the guides don't match up.

Speaking of PBS digital transition, has anyone noticed PBS 45/49 apparently is doing their digital transition early, in November? They've been running a spot about it in between programs, kind of long and complicated explanation of the timeline (http://www.pbs4549.org/dtv4pbs/wneo.htm), not sure how many people will understand.

Not sure if this is a DirecTV problem or a WVIZ problem - it's 6pm ET and I should be seeing The Newshour on channel CL25, however I'm getting a 4:3 center-cut of a 16:9 nature program (Desert Speaks) (presumably on one of WVIZ's HD subchannels)

Edit: I think D* has their local tuner tuned to the wrong subchannel. Maybe this is a good sign of soon getting WVIZ HD via DirecTV ...

Thought just occurred to me - why does WVIZ have a different schedule for analog 25 than the main 25.1 HD subchannel? This is going to be a problem for providers like DirecTV - how the heck are they supposed to know when to start using the digital sub for regular programming instead of the analog? As it is now, the guides don't match up.

WVIZ, like many PBS stations, is airing the 24/7 PBS-HD feed on their main channel. That feed goes away on 02/17/09, so I'd guess that they'll begin upconverting SD and showing HD when available (like the network stations) in the near future.

Speaking of PBS digital transition, has anyone noticed PBS 45/49 apparently is doing their digital transition early, in November? They've been running a spot about it in between programs, kind of long and complicated explanation of the timeline (http://www.pbs4549.org/dtv4pbs/wneo.htm), not sure how many people will understand.

Only 45. WNEO-DT is currently on channel 46, but they want to be on channel 45 after the transition, I'd guess due to interference concerns with WOAC-DT 47. Rather than do the tower work in the middle of the winter, they are doing the transition there early.

WEAO 49 (DT 50) is unaffected.

- Trip

Not sure if this is a DirecTV problem or a WVIZ problem - it's 6pm ET and I should be seeing The Newshour on channel CL25, however I'm getting a 4:3 center-cut of a 16:9 nature program (Desert Speaks) (presumably on one of WVIZ's HD subchannels)

Edit: I think D* has their local tuner tuned to the wrong subchannel. Maybe this is a good sign of soon getting WVIZ HD via DirecTV ...

Thought just occurred to me - why does WVIZ have a different schedule for analog 25 than the main 25.1 HD subchannel? This is going to be a problem for providers like DirecTV - how the heck are they supposed to know when to start using the digital sub for regular programming instead of the analog? As it is now, the guides don't match up.

Speaking of PBS digital transition, has anyone noticed PBS 45/49 apparently is doing their digital transition early, in November? They've been running a spot about it in between programs, kind of long and complicated explanation of the timeline (http://www.pbs4549.org/dtv4pbs/wneo.htm), not sure how many people will understand.

WVIZ and WNEO/WEAO are doing the digital diferently. On WNEO/WEAO the "main analog channel" can be found on their .2 subchannel. WVIZ OTOH does not carry their main analog chanel anywhere on their digital transmission! Sometimes the analog and PBS HD match, but not 24/7. On Dish Network they erroniously mirror the analog schedule on 25.4, however that guide is totally wrong. as 25.4 is "Create". Fortunatley I get 25.0 off the satellite, those with only ATSC and no NTSC miss the analog feed alltogether.

On Dish Network they erroniously mirror the analog schedule on 25.4, however that guide is totally wrong. as 25.4 is "Create". Fortunatley I get 25.0 off the satellite, those with only ATSC and no NTSC miss the analog feed alltogether.

DirecTV is doing the same screwy thing with the guide for 25.4. Shows the analog schedule, but it's actually Create. This is pissing me off. How does this go by for hours unnoticed by WVIZ or DirecTV ? Time to make some calls and give these people a clue... Meanwhile it's back over to PBS 49 where they have the analog and digital schedule in sync...

Edit: Just got off the phone with DirecTV. If I beleive what the CSR is saying, apparently they are picking up the digital signal for PBS 25 as of yesterday. I told her about WVIZ's "unique" situation of not mirroring the analog with a digital schedule. She made a "notation in the account" for engineering to "look at it". Next call, WVIZ.

Edit: Just got off the phone with DirecTV. If I beleive what the CSR is saying, apparently they are picking up the digital signal for PBS 25 as of yesterday. I told her about WVIZ's "unique" situation of not mirroring the analog with a digital schedule. She made a "notation in the account" for engineering to "look at it". Next call, WVIZ.

A. Do you think she honsestly understood what you were talking about?

B. Yeah, right, sure she did.:)

DirecTV is doing the same screwy thing with the guide for 25.4. Shows the analog schedule, but it's actually Create. This is pissing me off. How does this go by for hours unnoticed by WVIZ or DirecTV ? Time to make some calls and give these people a clue... Meanwhile it's back over to PBS 49 where they have the analog and digital schedule in sync...

Edit: Just got off the phone with DirecTV. If I beleive what the CSR is saying, apparently they are picking up the digital signal for PBS 25 as of yesterday. I told her about WVIZ's "unique" situation of not mirroring the analog with a digital schedule. She made a "notation in the account" for engineering to "look at it". Next call, WVIZ.

While that maybe true and they are carrying 25-1 they need to correct the EPG and secondly throw the switch as currently the HD feed is airing in 480i/SD and is super stretched to the max, ugly as all hell. I'm not sure about the rest as I don't have an OTA plugged into my box but they are definitely airing the HD feed in super stretch SD mode.

while you might not be impressed by it..I would take that right now..as its more then what we have coming from TW in NE Ohio

I wonder how many channels are FREE compared to paid (not talking the HBO type of channels)

why can't we get something like this in NE Ohio...its the same Time Warner Corp..isn't it ???


702 WGRZ NBC HD

703 WNED PBS HD

704 WIVB CBS HD

706 WUTV FOX HD

707 WKBW ABC HD

708 MyTV Buffalo HD

715 HGTV HD

716 Food Network HD

719 Fox Business Network

721 CNN HD

723 TBS in HD

724 TNT HD

725 ESPNU HD

726 ESPN-HD

727 ESPN2 HD

728 ESPN News HD

729 NHL Network HD

730 MSG HD

731 SportsNet NY HD

732 The Tennis Channel

733 Outdoor Channel HD

734 National Geographic HD

735 Travel Channel HD

736 TLC HD

737 Science Channel HD

738 Discovery Channel HD

739 Animal Planet HD

740 Discovery HD Theater

741 Planet Green HD

742 A&E HD

743 BIO HD

744 History in HD

748 Toon Disney HD

749 ABC Family HD

750 Disney HD

751 Lifetime Movie Network HD

760 Palladia

770 YES HD

771 Versus/Golf Channel HD

780 HBO HD

781 Showtime HD

782 Starz HD

783 Cinemax HD

790 Universal HD

791 HD Net

792 HDNET Movies

793 MOJO

WVIZ and WNEO/WEAO are doing the digital diferently. On WNEO/WEAO the "main analog channel" can be found on their .2 subchannel. WVIZ OTOH does not carry their main analog chanel anywhere on their digital transmission! Sometimes the analog and PBS HD match, but not 24/7. On Dish Network they erroniously mirror the analog schedule on 25.4, however that guide is totally wrong. as 25.4 is "Create". Fortunatley I get 25.0 off the satellite, those with only ATSC and no NTSC miss the analog feed alltogether.

WNEO/WEAO will begin programming xx.1 as an HD stream of their analog program schedule (native and upconverted) on Friday October 31... sometime late in the day. (We received a notice from them) This duplication will continue until Feb 2009 at which time xx.1 will remain primary and they will add other programming on the sub channels,
WNEO is running an early shutdown notice (complicated) per FCC rules. FCC pretty much dictates what must be said.
The transition in Salem will put their digital signal into their current (45) analog antenna at the top of the tower. It is an omnidirectional antenna and far higher than the current directional digital (46) that is located on the side of the tower. I am told that the original plans included tower work and crews for the change-over were scheduled in advance (big demand for crews at this time)... to avoid winter weather delays as Trip in VA says.

while you might not be impressed by it..I would take that right now..as its more then what we have coming from TW in NE Ohio

I wonder how many channels are FREE compared to paid (not talking the HBO type of channels)

I put a link on there so you should be able to see the actual site.

ErieMarty, as opposed of copying your list I thought I would just comment on it. Again I'm not seeing what I want and the problem is that what I want I could get on satellite.

They simply are not offering enough channels. Specially compared to Austin TX.

ErieMarty, as opposed of copying your list I thought I would just comment on it. Again I'm not seeing what I want and the problem is that what I want I could get on satellite.

They simply are not offering enough channels. Specially compared to Austin TX.


what channels are you looking for thats not being offered by TW in both of those locations

Yes..Buffalo and Austin is less then you can probably get on Dish/Direct..but its a lot more then what we are getting from TW in NE Ohio right now..and thats my point

why can those places have them and we can't.

does each region have to Negotiate there own cost for the different Channels or is it all handled from Time Warner Nationally

hope you understand what I am trying to say or ask

what channels are you looking for thats not being offered by TW in both of those locations

Yes..Buffalo and Austin is less then you can probably get on Dish/Direct..but its a lot more then what we are getting from TW in NE Ohio right now..and thats my point

why can those places have them and we can't.

does each region have to Negotiate there own cost for the different Channels or is it all handled from Time Warner Nationally

hope you understand what I am trying to say or ask

Yes I understand. It does vary from region to region. For what reason, I don't know. Unlike Satellite they do not offer the same programming for everyone.

The most important ones to me that arn't on the list are USA and FX. I basically watch a great deal of dramas and FX IMHO is the best in providing quality dramas that are equal or better then the ones that are offerred by Showtime and HBO.

Rescue Me in HD, The Shield (which unfortunately is ending) and several others that I consider pretty darn good we will not get.

Now excuse me, I have to figure out why my television just cut off.

Nevermind back on.

Go to that link one or two pages back and the green colored channels are the high tier.

I asked about WVIZ/DirecTV over on DBSTalk, and someone posted a link to a timetable for Dish and DirecTV transitioning all their local feeds from analog to digital. Dish and DirecTV are doing their digital transition this week (10/27) - that explains the WVIZ issue.

http://mstv.org/docs/satschedalpha.pdf

While that maybe true and they are carrying 25-1 they need to correct the EPG and secondly throw the switch as currently the HD feed is airing in 480i/SD and is super stretched to the max, ugly as all hell. I'm not sure about the rest as I don't have an OTA plugged into my box but they are definitely airing the HD feed in super stretch SD mode.

I am not getting a stretch on WVIZ D* CL25. Something on your box must be doing that.

Just got an email, they are raising my rates for the second time since taking over Adelphia. This looks like it could be as much as 10 bux a month, and still no new HD content.
This may be the "straw" that forces me to look into satelite closer.
Dave

Just got an email, they are raising my rates for the second time since taking over Adelphia. This looks like it could be as much as 10 bux a month, and still no new HD content.
This may be the "straw" that forces me to look into satelite closer.
Dave

Interesting. I have not received a rate increase at all, matter of fact because of my constant complaining to Steve Fry my bill is now lower then it ever was.

Last month I contacted the main office that was posted in this forum earlier. I complained about digital channels being copy once. I didn't get my way, but I got 20.00 off my bill last month.

I think they raised Showtime to 12.00 because now it's "Showtime with On Demand."

I am not getting a stretch on WVIZ D* CL25. Something on your box must be doing that.

Been emailing WIZ about this and here is their response:

You are correct. They started yesterday airing channel 25.1, but down-converting to a standard definition signal. We have no idea why they are down-converting the signal since it is an HD signal. Apparently their on-screen guide still shows the content of WVIZ analog.



We were unaware that they made the switch yesterday, and our engineers are getting in contact with them today.



Audience Services

I've noticed that whenever I tune into a classical music program on WVIZ-HD via TWC NEO (channel 411), the sound is messed up. My receiver shows that it's Dolby PLII rather than Dolby Digital, the volume level is 10 dB or more lower than every other channel, and high frequencies are extremely muffled even when I turn up the volume. I noticed this on all of the "Keeping the Score" broadcasts, all of the Metopera presentations, and last night's all-Bernstein Carnegie Hall opener. The sound on the regular WVIZ channel was just fine (although Dolby PLII). Anybody else notice this? I have emailed WVIZ twice and never received an answer, and I can't determine whether this problem is their fault or TWC's... The sound on other WVIZ-HD programs is just fine, and the PQ is excellent.

Looks like DirecTV switched back to the WVIZ analog feed.

Now we wait and see how soon WVIZ steps up to the plate and gets their local programming schedule on one of their digital subchannels...

Yeah it was strange that even WVIZ wasn't aware that Directv had down converted their HD signal on the regular Channel 25.

I've noticed that whenever I tune into a classical music program on WVIZ-HD via TWC NEO (channel 411), the sound is messed up. My receiver shows that it's Dolby PLII rather than Dolby Digital, the volume level is 10 dB or more lower than every other channel, and high frequencies are extremely muffled even when I turn up the volume. I noticed this on all of the "Keeping the Score" broadcasts, all of the Metopera presentations, and last night's all-Bernstein Carnegie Hall opener. The sound on the regular WVIZ channel was just fine (although Dolby PLII). Anybody else notice this? I have emailed WVIZ twice and never received an answer, and I can't determine whether this problem is their fault or TWC's... The sound on other WVIZ-HD programs is just fine, and the PQ is excellent.

WVIZ does not broadcast in DD. They only send stereo. Your reciever makes it PL. The level is low too.

Ray

Looks like DirecTV switched back to the WVIZ analog feed.

Now we wait and see how soon WVIZ steps up to the plate and gets their local programming schedule on one of their digital subchannels...

Final word from WVIZ I just got this email:

Dan,



No, they weren’t testing…they just screwed up.



They were not supposed to switch to our HD feed until we had finished converting all of our analog programming to the HD channel so that the analog and HD channels would carry identical programming.



When they made the switch prematurely (we weren’t aware of the switch until you e-mailed us), we got in contact with them to explain the error. As of 8:30 last night, they had switched back to our analog signal.



They will not be going to our HD signal until we have completed our conversion of analog programming. This will probably not happen until after the 1st of the year.



Thanks for your diligence in keeping us informed!



Jerry Kest

Audience Services

I finally have my first complaint about Armstrong. They added QVC-HD today... :rolleyes:

Anyone have any ideas on how to get a price break from TWC? I know that in itself is laughable, but... I have HDTV and a couple DVR boxes with them and also have RR with the 7mb DL speeds. Would I tell a big diff going to 1.5 mb DL speeds? Would that effect gaming? I dont think I can even "threaten" them with other offers from Dish companies. I am not sure if this is the right area for these questions, but it seems like people in here know their stuff. If anyone has any trick/tips/other info please let me know. Thanks!
mgd

Anyone have any ideas on how to get a price break from TWC? I know that in itself is laughable, but... I have HDTV and a couple DVR boxes with them and also have RR with the 7mb DL speeds. Would I tell a big diff going to 1.5 mb DL speeds? Would that effect gaming? I dont think I can even "threaten" them with other offers from Dish companies. I am not sure if this is the right area for these questions, but it seems like people in here know their stuff. If anyone has any trick/tips/other info please let me know. Thanks!
mgd

Ask the CSR "How do I cancel my TWC service? By phone? Online?" When the CSR asks why tell them you are thinking of switching to ATT Uverse cuz their prices are much lower (assuming they are).

TWC CSR may just offer a deduct off of your bill. Then again, maybe not.

Little dishonest, but hey........so is telling all of you TWC customers you are getting SDV by Oct. 10th. :D

Worth a shot.

I finally have my first complaint about Armstrong. They added QVC-HD today... :rolleyes:

Believe it or not I would like for TW to add that. My wife watches that all the time and it pisses me off that I bought her a HD television and all she does is look at those shopping channels.

Believe it or not I would like for TW to add that. My wife watches that all the time and it pisses me off that I bought her a HD television and all she does is look at those shopping channels.

Hmm, imagine that. A wife pissing off a husband. :p Maybe if you had bought it FROM QVC...

Hey, at least yours watches TV. Mine would rather not even have one in the house. Too many things (for me) to do. :D

Believe it or not I would like for TW to add that. My wife watches that all the time and it pisses me off that I bought her a HD television and all she does is look at those shopping channels.

Hey, the less it *glitters* the less she'll spend. ;)

Wait till nickdawg sees that you want to take up valuable bandwidth with QVC in HD. He'll have a heart attack! :eek:

WVIZ does not broadcast in DD. They only send stereo. Your reciever makes it PL. The level is low too.

Ray

I think there is more to this than low-level. This situation only happens on classical music programming, and the sound is not only MUCH lower in level than all other channels, but also muffled in the highs and very distorted. I just checked, and right now the HD channel's sound level is not significantly different than any of the other channels on my cable box--but they are playing the News Hour.

What do you guys think of Dish Net? We're thinking of making the switch from Time Warner. We're probable going to go with 250+ HD (55 channels) package with DVR. Time Warner is raising thier price on the DVR service, so it won't be that much more expensive to switch. Its just, I don't know anyone with Dish Network. Thanks in advanced.

What do you guys think of Dish Net? We're thinking of making the switch from Time Warner. We're probable going to go with 250+ HD (55 channels) package with DVR. Time Warner is raising thier price on the DVR service, so it won't be that much more expensive to switch. Its just, I don't know anyone with Dish Network. Thanks in advanced.
I've been with them for 11 years. Overall I am quite happy with their service. The only problem I had was with a now defunct HD DVR model (921). They gave me one of the current HD DVR models (622) and now I'm quite happy. The 622 does not have any of the bugs that the older DVR's had.

All E* HD receivers have a built-in ATSC OTA tuner, so it's like getting the best of both worlds. I get my locals both via satellite and OTA so if there is ever a problem I have another source for the local channels. Additionally I get all the subchanels via OTA that aren't carried on satellite, plus I also get some of the Youngstown stations (WKBN/WYFX) OTA that E* is not legaly able to sell in the Cleveland market. I get extra NFL games some weekends due to being able to access the Youngstown stations. For example this weekend the Cleveland market loses half of the FOX double header due to the Browns being at home (no "competing" game can be carried at the same time that the home team plays at home). I'll be able to see that additional FOX game via WYFX.

Looks like they stopped showing the 24/7 national HD feed. Instead it's now a mirror channel of the analog channel. But what really pissed me off is it appears they're not showing HD at all anymore. The commercials were shown in 4:3 OAR and at 4pm when "Nature" came on the "this program is available in high definition" message was on screen, except the show is STRETCHED and LETTERBOXED!!!! Can somebody tell me why the hell they are stretching programs to fill the 16x9 aspect ratio when they had real HD on yesterday? Is this supposed to be for the 2/17/09 transition? Does that mean we won't be seeing any more real HD? What a step backwards!! Also, there is a smaller bug that appears to be 4x3 safe. How is this going to be 4:3 safe if it is stretched letterbox? It's really going to look awful on SDTV, part of the show is cut off and it's letterboxed.

Listen up, WNEO. This is what you do. Show a full screen 16x9 on the HD channel(no letterbox bars). Then, cut that picture for 4x3. That way 4x3 viewers have a full screen 4x3 picture and 16x9 viewers have a full screen 16x9 picture. And NOTHING ever gets stretched!! 4x3 content is supposed to have bars on the side.

They did this to you because I complained about the fact that WNEO has Dolby 5.1 and WVIZ doesn't. So they said, "OK hook, will make our picture look like crap to make it even.:p

Yes, this really sucks WNEO.
My 2 kids have been watching the PBS cartoons on WNEO-HD on Saturday mornings for quite some time. Now they are GONE :(.
My 4 yr old cried to the point of "uncontrollable sniffles" when I told him there was no Word World on in HD this morning :eek:. Taking away childrens programming for no reason is a new low WNEO. BAD FORM...:mad:.

49.1 is doing the stretching. I just go to 25.1 which is solid as a rock lately OTA.
JJK

Yes, this really sucks WNEO.
My 2 kids have been watching the PBS cartoons on WNEO-HD on Saturday mornings for quite some time. Now they are GONE :(.
My 4 yr old cried to the point of "uncontrollable sniffles" when I told him there was no Word World on in HD this morning :eek:. Taking away childrens programming for no reason is a new low WNEO. BAD FORM...:mad:.

Unbelievable. Can you get WVIZ-DT? It appears to still have the national network feed. I'm crying to the point of "uncontrollable sniffles" when I see what should be a beautiful HD presentation in stretched letterbox. And the bastards show all their commercials and advertising in 4:3 the correct way and they stretch all programming.

I just can't get over how stupid they are. What would possess them to stretch letterbox programming? The reason it is letterbox is because it is 16x9. Why are they stretching a 16x9 presentation on a 16x9 channel? This is the kind of stupidity we see on cable channels like History and A&E(you're not missing much by not having those channels).

I hope WNEO loses serious ca$h over this. The thing I always liked about PBS HD was not having to see the local inserted garbage. This goes for both channels, the local crap sucks and it was nice to have a pure HD channel, even if it was on a loop. That seemed to be the way of the future-no more mixing HD and SD sources together. Now they're taking steps back by stretching SD programming.

49.1 is doing the stretching. I just go to 25.1 which is solid as a rock lately OTA.
JJK

Believe it or not, I'm going to be watching WVIZ more now(despite the lack of 5.1) just because it is all HD. Well, until they start this foolishness too. :mad:

And what else doesn't make sense is that they are not sending the downconvert HD feed of WNEO down for SD cable. The SD channel still looks like crap. I find it unwatchable.

Yes, this really sucks WNEO.
My 2 kids have been watching the PBS cartoons on WNEO-HD on Saturday mornings for quite some time. Now they are GONE :(.
My 4 yr old cried to the point of "uncontrollable sniffles" when I told him there was no Word World on in HD this morning :eek:. Taking away childrens programming for no reason is a new low WNEO. BAD FORM...:mad:.

Well it isn't just WNEO. Nobody has Saturday morning cartoons.

When I was a kid every Saturday there were so many cartoons on.

Now I hate to hear about your child crying but isn't there like a half a dozen channels that have cartoons on them?

I guess "Western Reserve PBS" is only pissing on PBS network programming. Right now, some "Our Ohio" spit is on and it is letterboxed and unstretched on WNEO-DT. There are bars on all 4 sides of the screen. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of HDTV and 16x9 TV screens? Why have an "HD" channel when it's just going to be a mirror image of the SD channel, and windowboxed. I liked the old way WNEO did it, with the regular HD channel on 45.1 and a "DT" SD digital channel(same as analog) on 45.2. Why didn't they just keep it that way and feed 45.2 to TWC for Standard Definition digital?

What is "legitimate cable"? I subscribe to and pay for Time Warner Lifeline Basic. That package gives me channels 2-20 analog, plus all of the local digital/HD channels via QAM. It costs me less than $15 a month. We sink more of our entertainment wants into the theater, including high_end hardware and HD movies. I enjoy that much more than television, so having another 100+ channels to watch is really not that appealing to me. Of the few shows I do watch, I catch those in HD primetime on the channels I do get.

As far as Saturday morning cartoons are concerned, we do not have the high tier cable channels like Disney, Nickleodian, and Boomerang.
My kids (2 yrs old and 4 yrs old) get a steady diet of PBS educational programming on the PBS channels, and then we also have a library of many different educational and fun_to_watch movies on dvd.

For a long time now, WNEO/WVIZ national HD feed has had PBS educational cartoons playing on Saturday morning until 12:00pm. My kids love the shows, and the animation looks really nice in HD too. The other cartoons on "free tv" (which there are VERY few anymore on Saturday morning anyway)... those shows are the extreme violent type that turn children into criminals, so I do not let them watch that crap.

We actually used to get WNEO-DT and WVIZ-DT, but a couple of months ago they decided to take away WVIZ-DT for some reason. Now we have both in analog, and WNEO-DT. The kids also watch the PBS kids shows on WVIZ-SD Monday-Friday. Saturday is the only day that WNEO-DT has the PBS cartoons on in HD... and now that is gone too.:(

It appears that WVIZ-DT will be doing the same soon look at the email I posted yesterday. They'll be replacing the national feed with a local HD feed as soon as they are able to convert their local programming. Sometime around January 1.

I checked WNEO-DT now and they're showing the program in the proper aspect ratio. It's not full screen 16x9 but at leas there is no more stretching. The windowboxed(bars on all sides) picture is a step up above stretched.

You can complain all you want about WNEO/WEAO dumping the 24/7 PBS HD feed... but as far as I know, that feed is actually going away period, nationally.

At some point, WVIZ will have to do the same with 25.1 - switching it to a combined upconverted/HD feed like all the other (commercial) networks do now. WNEO/WEAO just made the switch early.

Ouch. So touchy. What I meant is a real CATV package(ie digital) that contains more channels, including an entire tier of kids programming(some that run all day and night like Noggin and Disney) and access to WVIZ DT.

I don't get it. Why invest money in HT equipment when you're using an awful source? Basic(analog) cable without a digital box is an awful source. I had technical difficulties the other day that forced me into analog on the TV and it was awful. Analog is unwatchable on a HDTV set.

Ouch. So touchy. What I meant is a real CATV package(ie digital) that contains more channels, including an entire tier of kids programming(some that run all day and night like Noggin and Disney) and access to WVIZ DT.

I don't get it. Why invest money in HT equipment when you're using an awful source? Basic(analog) cable without a digital box is an awful source. I had technical difficulties the other day that forced me into analog on the TV and it was awful. Analog is unwatchable on a HDTV set.

I'm not being touchy. You said my cable was not "legitimate", which could be interpreted as many things. Just setting the record straight, that's all.

I have an HD set in my living room, which is where most of the analog viewing is done. It most certainly is not a beautiful picture, but it's not unwatchable.

I personally don't watch a lot of television. Just a few shows here and there. Those are usually prime-time shows in HD, so those look good on any tv in the house (don't forget, I do have all my locals in digital/HD), and even in the theater where I have a large projection set_up.
So the "HT equipment" is for use with primarily HD and dvd sources. Like HD television as already mentioned, HD-DVD and Blu-ray movies, dvd movies, and HD audio.

I'm not being touchy. You said my cable was not "legitimate", which could be interpreted as many things. Just setting the record straight, that's all./[/quit]

Yeah, he's calling you a thief. Matter of fact I think he was indicating in that statement that your desire not to see your child cry indicates perhaps some kind of sick thing inside you.

nickdawg, you should be ashamed.:p;)

[QUOTE=Smarty-pants;14988955]I have an HD set in my living room, which is where most of the analog viewing is done. It most certainly is not a beautiful picture, but it's not unwatchable.

That's what I thought about my wife's TV, but she started complaining about these "flashes" and picture problems.

Flashes are probably because she just turned 41.:eek: The rest I'm quite sure was because she got use to looking at flat screen, mostly in HD downstairs.

I personally don't watch a lot of television. Just a few shows here and there. Those are usually prime-time shows in HD, so those look good on any tv in the house (don't forget, I do have all my locals in digital/HD), and even in the theater where I have a large projection set_up.
So the "HT equipment" is for use with primarily HD and dvd sources. Like HD television as already mentioned, HD-DVD and Blu-ray movies, dvd movies, and HD audio.

Now there is a side of you we never see. First, who'd of thought you even had kids and if you got a family that limits your time to watch. Trust me between my 10 birds and cats it is time consuming and I know kids take more time.

By the way I hope they don't turn out like you. There's enough wise guys in this world as there is.

What, you looking at me?;):D

You can complain all you want about WNEO/WEAO dumping the 24/7 PBS HD feed... but as far as I know, that feed is actually going away period, nationally.

At some point, WVIZ will have to do the same with 25.1 - switching it to a combined upconverted/HD feed like all the other (commercial) networks do now. WNEO/WEAO just made the switch early.

Innundated is 100% correct. Every PBS station has to drop the national PBS-HD feed by 02/17/09 because it will be going away on that date. Most are doing so early, to reduce confusion among converter box users, and because the PBS-HD feed is being transitioned to a new satellite some time in the next 30 days or so. (From AMC3 to AMC21)

If I had to guess, I'd say the reason there's no HD is because they're waiting to have the satellite dish moved, and can't receive the HD off the new satellite until that happens. I can't say that with any kind of certainty, but it makes sense in my mind.

- Trip

If I had to guess, I'd say the reason there's no HD is because they're waiting to have the satellite dish moved, and can't receive the HD off the new satellite until that happens. I can't say that with any kind of certainty, but it makes sense in my mind.

I was under the impression that the 45.1/49.1 feed now carries whatever PBS does make available in HD among their regular programming (NewsHour, prime time shows in HD, etc.). Is this not the case?

I'd assume so, if only because there would be no reason to keep 45.2/49.2 as the SD simulcast!

I was under the impression that the 45.1/49.1 feed now carries whatever PBS does make available in HD among their regular programming (NewsHour, prime time shows in HD, etc.). Is this not the case?

I'd assume so, if only because there would be no reason to keep 45.2/49.2 as the SD simulcast!

You didn't read the complaints up the page of no PBS-HD on 45/49?

I'm not there to see 45/49 for myself, but I thought that's what nickdawg said.

- Trip

You can complain all you want about WNEO/WEAO dumping the 24/7 PBS HD feed... but as far as I know, that feed is actually going away period, nationally.

At some point, WVIZ will have to do the same with 25.1 - switching it to a combined upconverted/HD feed like all the other (commercial) networks do now. WNEO/WEAO just made the switch early.

True and as I stated per WVIZ that work should be done on or around January 1, 2009. They are in the process of converting their local stuff to HD and it won't be completed until around that time. After that date as you dated 25.1 will be a combined feed and the 24/7 PBS HD national feed goes bye bye.

True and as I stated per WVIZ that work should be done on or around January 1, 2009. They are in the process of converting their local stuff to HD and it won't be completed until around that time. After that date as you dated 25.1 will be a combined feed and the 24/7 PBS HD national feed goes bye bye.

I believe their studio cameras are already HD capable. It's probably just a matter of upgrading the rest of the infrastructure. This is hardly a trivial job, but they do have a start.

Now they're showing correct aspect ratio again on 45-1. Antiques Roadshow is on. I'll have to wait until primetime to see how programming is shown. I know "Nature" is on tonight and that's usually HD. I think the "block" here is WNEO doesn't have HDTV recording abilities like WEWS or WKYC, so they have to show all their programming in SDTV when it's not directly from the network. But what angered me is the way widescreen programs were being shown. Why stretch letterbox programs? Just pass them through with bars on all 4 sides. I'll just grudgingly have to watch it, similar to cable networks like USA and Discovery channel that give me beautiful, squashed pictures with a nice frame around them!!!! :D:D :eek: ;) :mad: :D

WVIZ is converting local stuff to HD? OMFG!!!! Are they going to do some awful stretchovision thing too? I'm very disappointed, PBS is supposed to be a quality network but they're acting really dumb lately.

I can't wait to see how this will translate for SD viewers. How do you crop the sides off a stretched picture for 4x3?

You didn't read the complaints up the page of no PBS-HD on 45/49?

I'm not there to see 45/49 for myself, but I thought that's what nickdawg said.


No, I'm not talking about "PBS HD" (the 24/7 feed). I know that's gone, and I see it is no longer OTA on WEAO now myself.

I was wondering aloud if the change now means that occasional PBS shows that are in HD, i.e. "NewsHour", various prime-time HD shows, will now be seen on 49.1 alongside the upconverted regular schedule. Not the full-time feed, but as part of the regular channel like the commercial stations do (when it's HD, it's HD, when it's not, it's upconverted).

I will have to tune into 49.1 when a show should be HD (i.e. NewsHour) and see.

I know "Nature" is on tonight and that's usually HD. I think the "block" here is WNEO doesn't have HDTV recording abilities like WEWS or WKYC, so they have to show all their programming in SDTV when it's not directly from the network.

I'm guessing you are 100% correct here.

I don't know PBS well enough to know if they feed live HD shows in set time slots in prime time.

I know there's a common schedule of shows that is supposed to be carried at a certain time - you can tell those shows by their appearance in the same time slot on both WNEO/WEAO and WVIZ. I'm guessing those shows get fed live in HD down the satellite from PBS, and in theory, should be in HD in the newly reconfigured version of 45.1/49.1.

So far what I've seen on WNEO-DT is many shows that should be HD are being shown in letterbox and stretched. Then I've seen other shows in 4:3 that are being shown 4:3 with sidebars(the correct way). It seems for some reason they like to stretch letterbox programs. They should be shown FULL SCREEN 16:9, NOT stretched.

What doesn't make sense is why they stretch it? If they can't do 16:9 HD, then couldn't they at least give us 16:9 480i? That would be better than a squashed picture with bars on two or four sides of the screen.

And what's going to happen when cable and satellite pulls the trigget on analog and uses HD for downconversion? How will a stretched show translate to 4:3 SD? They need to keep everything OAR to make cable's center cut downconverison easier.

Also noteworthy: VERSUS is now only available on Digital channel 323. On analog channel 66 there is just a slate stating that it has moved to digital. Yippee!! Maybe TWC will keep up their moving 2 or 3 channels a year to digital. Analog should be gone in about 10 years or more! :rolleyes:

What doesn't make sense is why they stretch it? If they can't do 16:9 HD, then couldn't they at least give us 16:9 480i? That would be better than a squashed picture with bars on two or four sides of the screen.


In my brief viewing of WEAO-DT Sunday, it looked to me like they weren't stretching 4:3 stuff. I'll have to look again.

I believe the *intent* by WNEO/WEAO is to air the HD programming in pattern from PBS on 45.1/49.1 whenever they are able to do so. Maybe they're working out the kinks. Maybe, as noted, they can't record HD shows. Maybe we're just guessing.


And what's going to happen when cable and satellite pulls the trigget on analog and uses HD for downconversion? How will a stretched show translate to 4:3 SD? They need to keep everything OAR to make cable's center cut downconverison easier.

I'm pretty sure DirecTV is already doing this in the Cleveland market, as of last week. Isn't that what caused the problems with WVIZ on DirecTV, the fact that they don't have a regular PBS feed on their DT?

Also noteworthy: VERSUS is now only available on Digital channel 323. On analog channel 66 there is just a slate stating that it has moved to digital. Yippee!! Maybe TWC will keep up their moving 2 or 3 channels a year to digital. Analog should be gone in about 10 years or more! :rolleyes:

You really think they'd want to go hog wild on analog elimination with all the must-haves types around here? Please...

"You may be able to please some of the people all of the time, and you may be able to please all of the people some of the time, but you'll never be able to please all of the people all of the time." ~Some wise man centuries ahead of his time.

I'm pretty sure DirecTV is already doing this in the Cleveland market, as of last week. Isn't that what caused the problems with WVIZ on DirecTV, the fact that they don't have a regular PBS feed on their DT?

Are they doing it on channels like WKYC and WEWS yet? Or is it just PBS so far? I can't wait until TWC starts this so WBNX will look better on non-HD and so NBC will finally look normal again. SD WKYC looks incredibly stupid when NBC programming is on because they have the bug in a funky place on letterboxed shows. Once they start downconverting HD, we'll finally have a normal 4:3 picture on the SD channel.

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I think they would please ALL of the people here ALL of the time if they completely killed analog. And anyone that doesn't like it can just shut up.

I think they would please ALL of the people here ALL of the time if they completely killed analog. And anyone that doesn't like it can just shut up.

Don't get me wrong. I'm with you. I'd LOVE to see Analog permanently eliminated and more effort put into more digital/HD channels as a result. Even something perfectly achievable they can: 1) Kill off all analog and provide customers the now available small footprint tuner boxes for free for every analog outlet, 2) Continue to provide premium set-tops for paying digital access customers, 3) Reduce all in-the-field set-tops to ONLY HD set-tops and cut out SD channels that have HD simulcast equivalents, 4) and of course offer working SDV hardware for third party products EVEN THOUGH the third party CE manufacturers should have been prepared long ago for this...

Fact though is, like I said, you are always going to have those who are stuck in the 80s who are going to do everything in their power to hinder progress for the rest of us and it's made oh so much easier due to Cable's shackles to aging analog technology courtesy of our lovely Govt and Telco-bedmate-FCC.

I noticed that Fox Ohio in HD was caring the Kansas/Kansas State Football game in HD on Saturday..

sure better then a blank station when there are no Cavs Games in HD To show

isn't the Fox Regional Sports channels suppose to be going 24/7 HD some time soon..

In my brief viewing of WEAO-DT Sunday, it looked to me like they weren't stretching 4:3 stuff. I'll have to look again.

I believe the *intent* by WNEO/WEAO is to air the HD programming in pattern from PBS on 45.1/49.1 whenever they are able to do so. Maybe they're working out the kinks. Maybe, as noted, they can't record HD shows. Maybe we're just guessing.



I'm pretty sure DirecTV is already doing this in the Cleveland market, as of last week. Isn't that what caused the problems with WVIZ on DirecTV, the fact that they don't have a regular PBS feed on their DT?

"...they're working the kinks out." That would be my guess. Seems to me all the other stations went through the same growing pains. I think the News Hour is in HD... let's see what happens tonight. Down with "stretch-o-vision".. if we want to expand our picture, let us do it at home. I think it was Channel 5 that finally stopped doing it. Time will tell.

"...they're working the kinks out." That would be my guess. Seems to me all the other stations went through the same growing pains. I think the News Hour is in HD... let's see what happens tonight. Down with "stretch-o-vision".. if we want to expand our picture, let us do it at home. I think it was Channel 5 that finally stopped doing it. Time will tell.

As I said earlier, I'm pretty sure it's 45/49...er...Western Reserve PBS'...intent to go that route, with 45.1/49.1 carrying stuff in HD surrounded by the rest of the upconverted schedule.

Fact though is, like I said, you are always going to have those who are stuck in the 80s who are going to do everything in their power to hinder progress for the rest of us and it's made oh so much easier due to Cable's shackles to aging analog technology courtesy of our lovely Govt and Telco-bedmate-FCC.

As I said over in the Y-Town thread, unless forced to do so, analog stations won't shut down early...and on the cable side, the cable companies actually want to continue to offer analog for the "lifeline basic" customers...and are actively marketing to them.

It allows them to position themselves as the "easy alternative" to getting an OTA converter box, and allows them to eventually upsell the folks who sign up for a lifeline basic package.

I noticed that Fox Ohio in HD was caring the Kansas/Kansas State Football game in HD on Saturday..

sure better then a blank station when there are no Cavs Games in HD To show

isn't the Fox Regional Sports channels suppose to be going 24/7 HD some time soon..

They usually show football every saturday, altho its never in the guide.

I just noticed Cox added the CW-HD now on channel 707. Odd tho that only 1 channel is added. Usually when we get more HD its 3 or 4

Are they doing it on channels like WKYC and WEWS yet? Or is it just PBS so far? I can't wait until TWC starts this so WBNX will look better on non-HD and so NBC will finally look normal again. SD WKYC looks incredibly stupid when NBC programming is on because they have the bug in a funky place on letterboxed shows. Once they start downconverting HD, we'll finally have a normal 4:3 picture on the SD channel.

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I think they would please ALL of the people here ALL of the time if they completely killed analog. And anyone that doesn't like it can just shut up.

I posted this a few days ago here - last week DirecTV made the transition in the Cleveland market locals from analog to digital.

http://mstv.org/docs/satschedalpha.pdf

This is why WVIZ got caught with their pants down and we D* people lost WVIZ's local programming for a day or two.

I can't tell, since I am not set up to get WEAO in HD right now, but it looks from my analog CECBs that they're running "NewsHour" in proper 16:9 on 49.1 tonight.

It could be HD, but it's hard to tell on this small set in the kitchen :) My LCD upstairs is being fed by Time Warner Cable's SA8000HD DVR, and we don't get WEAO-DT/HD here.

I can't tell, since I am not set up to get WEAO in HD right now, but it looks from my analog CECBs that they're running "NewsHour" in proper 16:9 on 49.1 tonight.

It could be HD, but it's hard to tell on this small set in the kitchen :) My LCD upstairs is being fed by Time Warner Cable's SA8000HD DVR, and we don't get WEAO-DT/HD here.

Right now Antiques roadshow is on both stations in 4:3. But I don't think that one has ever been HD. Frontline is on at 9, I'll have to check that one. Also, I noticed WNEO-DT is now broadcasting 2.0, no more 5.1:(. What's the point of even having this channel HD? Especially if they plan on lighting up more MC services, they might as well make 45-1 480i(they already downrezzed it to 720p).

All I can say is what a mess. Some things stretched, some OAR and no HD. Seems like this DTV transition is making things worse:eek:

Frontline is on now in correct 16x9 on WNEO-DT.

I was wondering if anyone was knowledgeable enough to help with antenna selection for ota hdtv. I live in sheffield lake and have an old antenna that is falling apart. I need to replace it. Plus I need to inprove the reception also. Get 5,8,43, and 61 well. 19,3,55, and 25 give me problems. One story house. I'm not sure what type to buy. Thanks
Jerry

I was wondering if anyone was knowledgeable enough to help with antenna selection for ota hdtv. I live in sheffield lake and have an old antenna that is falling apart. I need to replace it. Plus I need to inprove the reception also. Get 5,8,43, and 61 well. 19,3,55, and 25 give me problems. One story house. I'm not sure what type to buy. Thanks
Jerry

I'd start with www.antennaweb.org, type in your address, see what it says.

I was wondering if anyone was knowledgeable enough to help with antenna selection for ota hdtv. I live in sheffield lake and have an old antenna that is falling apart. I need to replace it. Plus I need to inprove the reception also. Get 5,8,43, and 61 well. 19,3,55, and 25 give me problems. One story house. I'm not sure what type to buy. Thanks
Jerry

Since you are not too far from the antenna farm, antennaweb will probably reccommend a short to medium range antenna. What you can also consider is an amplified antenna. This can improve the reception. Both Winegard and Channelmaster make a wide variety of antennae sold at Radio Shack, Lowe's, Home Depot. Do not buy an omni directional. A rotor may come in handy too if you want to try to get other areas.

Over in the U-Verse thread they are reporting that 30 new HD channels were added today, including FSN Ohio HD and STO HD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15004714#post15004714

MCM Electronics also has antennas. My guru buddy who lives in Sheffield Lake says OTA is a problem. I would use the biggest baddest antenna available as they are only $90.00.
JJK

MCM Electronics also has antennas. My guru buddy who lives in Sheffield Lake says OTA is a problem. I would use the biggest baddest antenna available as they are only $90.00.
JJKOTA may be a problem due to terrain, in which case "the biggest baddest antenna" won't help. However height will help! You may need a modest antenna mounted on a tower to get over the terrain obstructions.

From 7:01 to 7:05, a ticker on the bottom of WKYCDT (currently showing NBC News election coverage) had this message:
WE ARE HAVING AUDIO DIFFICULTIES ON OUR WKYC HD FEED. PLEASE TUNE TO YOUR REGULAR CHANNEL 3 WKYC FEED ON CABLE, SATELLITE, OR OVER THE AIR...

Everything sounded OK to me...

At 7:05 the message changed to:
THE TRANSITION FROM ANALOG TO DIGITAL TELEVISION WILL OCCUR FEBRUARY 17, 2009. ARE YOU READY? GO TO WWW.WKYC.COM/DTV OR CALL 1-888-DTV-2009 FOR MORE INFORMATION

This message didn't show up on WKYC analog.

By 7:06 the message is gone...

7:14 - the audio message is back...

I was watching KYC for a while, but had to turn the sound ALL THE WAY UP on my tv to hear it. The volume was at 100, but I normally watch at a volume of 35-40.

We just lost WKYC 3.1 on QAM on TWC. One minute it was there, the next minute it froze and then disappeared....

I'm experiencing all kinds of glitches now on WKYCDT via TWC (or my TV is breaking...) The screen has been going black completely for 1/4 sec or so.
sounds ha been going out for .5-5 seconds at a time. When they cut to local broadcast, there was no audio at all on WKYCDT (but they did have 1080i graphics...)

Also, after lots of motion, the picture gets blurry for a short while...

From 7:01 to 7:05, a ticker on the bottom of WKYCDT (currently showing NBC News election coverage) had this message:
WE ARE HAVING AUDIO DIFFICULTIES ON OUR WKYC HD FEED. PLEASE TUNE TO YOUR REGULAR CHANNEL 3 WKYC FEED ON CABLE, SATELLITE, OR OVER THE AIR...

Everything sounded OK to me...

At 7:05 the message changed to:
THE TRANSITION FROM ANALOG TO DIGITAL TELEVISION WILL OCCUR FEBRUARY 17, 2009. ARE YOU READY? GO TO WWW.WKYC.COM/DTV OR CALL 1-888-DTV-2009 FOR MORE INFORMATION

This message didn't show up on WKYC analog.

By 7:06 the message is gone...

7:14 - the audio message is back...

haha!!:D:D One minute they're saying the audio doesn't work on WKYC DT, then they're ask us if we're ready for the transition? When THEY are not ready for it!!

We just lost WKYC 3.1 on QAM on TWC. One minute it was there, the next minute it froze and then disappeared....

They do that because they want you to buy a box.:)

TW and all cable companies are evil.

WKYC must have had a serious meltdown b/c they're now passing Dolby 2/0 audio.

Honestly I hope they keep it in 2/0. This is the best WKYC has sounded in a long time. Since it is being passed 2-channel from the source, Pro Logic works and I am getting audio out of the center channel.

Indeed Nick. I have been watching it for the past 30 minutes or so, and didn't even notice it being 2 channel. My receiver automatically mixes the sound into a nice THX DSP, and it does sound good as is.

Indeed Nick. I have been watching it for the past 30 minutes or so, and didn't even notice it being 2 channel. My receiver automatically mixes the sound into a nice THX DSP, and it does sound good as is.

WKYC usually uses an incorrect false-tagged 3/2.1 which only uses the L and R channels. There's no way to change that since it thinks a 5.1 source is present. The current set up sounds better and I'd guess even network programming may sound better. NBC's 5.1 isn't as good as CBS or ABC.

Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, and carriage of programming services is discontinued only in rare circumstances. The following agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future.

WKYC HD, WKYC Weather Plus, WAOH, WIVM, WOHZ, WKBN, WYFX, WYTV, WTRF, Starz/Encore, Lifeskool On Demand, Sleuth, Universal HD, USA, Great American Country, Flix, GSN, Showtime/ The Movie Channel, Oxygen On Demand, BBC America On Demand, Inspirational Life, Fuel TV, Sci-Fi Channel, Outdoor Channel, NHL Network, NBA TV.

MOJO will be dropped from the line-up on December 1, 2008, and replaced with MGM HD. Effective December 8, 2008, Outdoor Channel will be available on both the Digital Basic Tier and Digital Sports Tier. In suburban Erie, Outdoor Channel will move from Digital Plus Tier down to Digital Basic Tier.


* Changes will vary by service area. Not all services available in all areas.

From 7:01 to 7:05, a ticker on the bottom of WKYCDT (currently showing NBC News election coverage) had this message:
WE ARE HAVING AUDIO DIFFICULTIES ON OUR WKYC HD FEED. PLEASE TUNE TO YOUR REGULAR CHANNEL 3 WKYC FEED ON CABLE, SATELLITE, OR OVER THE AIR...

Everything sounded OK to me...

At 7:05 the message changed to:
THE TRANSITION FROM ANALOG TO DIGITAL TELEVISION WILL OCCUR FEBRUARY 17, 2009. ARE YOU READY? GO TO WWW.WKYC.COM/DTV OR CALL 1-888-DTV-2009 FOR MORE INFORMATION

This message didn't show up on WKYC analog.

By 7:06 the message is gone...

7:14 - the audio message is back...

This is interesting. I was watching WEWS on TWC and at approx. 7:00 PM, they started having intermittent hits in both video and audio.. it became so bad that we switched to analog. It eventually cleared up. At approx. 10:30, the entire signal just went away... picture froze then to black. It came back in 10 seconds or so. ABC was also having issues with their remotes... video but no audio throughout the night. Sometimes I wonder why they move into a new studio and try to do all of this complicated interconnections in an under-tested facility.

All of them worked OK last night. WEWS and WKYC had audio drop out earlier in the day, but during election coverage everything looked fine.

MCM Electronics also has antennas. My guru buddy who lives in Sheffield Lake says OTA is a problem. I would use the biggest baddest antenna available as they are only $90.00.
JJK

What is the problem with OTA in Sheffield Lake?

I'm able to get all the digital Cleveland and Toledo stations, and some of the Detroit. I get a ton of analog Canadian stations. This is all without any preamp, and a $50 antenna

mmadd29:
I don't know. I was just repeating what he said. He had satellite then switched to Time/Warnercable/phone/internet with the fibreoptic cable to the house.
JJK

mmadd29:
I don't know. I was just repeating what he said. He had satellite then switched to Time/Warnercable/phone/internet with the fibreoptic cable to the house.
JJK

TWC uses fibre optic to the house??? :confused:

Yes, He says they insist on it. They will not use the old phone lines. I believe his DSL is 7 megs. They also check your 120volt receptacles for the proper grounds (no loops) and tell you if it isn't right to have it fixed. They will not install until the grounds are fixed.
JJK

Yes, He says they insist on it. They will not use the old phone lines.
JJK

I'd guess he means VOIP service cannot go over the old phone lines.
VOIP Phone, High Speed Internet, Digital Cable TV service are all on one feed (which is how they can "bundle" these services), but it's still a copper cable.

I may be wrong but I just find it highly unlikely any local NEO cable co. has actual fiber optic from the local home service station right up to the house. :) Also, if it were truly fiper optic why would he still have DSL which is also copper cable?

Residences in DT Manhattan don't have direct fiber optic yet. ;)

Cable has been using fiber optic lines for years, but not to the home. Here in COX territory they have fiber to coax converters strategically placed to feed neighborhoods.

All I know is he told me they ran a special optical fibre cable to the house. I don't know what you call his intenet connection but I call everything DSL. His old phone line is not in use. Also the person who did the install was a pretty high mucky-muck and is his best friend.
JJK

Cable has been using fiber optic lines for years, but not to the home. Here in COX territory they have fiber to coax converters strategically placed to feed neighborhoods.

Yes, that I am aware of. At some point in the system, using internet or even old landline phones, there is a very good chance we are using fiber optic. But no actual fiber optic to the home/residence in this area.

I know some big office complex buildings (but very few) have direct fiber optic. I think there *may* be a very small residential test of fiber optic in TX somewhere.

Hey folks, general question here. I'm advising a friend on a tv purchase. I DO know my tvs but am not too hip to this qam tuner/cable thing. Hes in Lorain and has the basic/lifeline TW service. What digital channels will he be able to decode? Anything? Anybody know??
Thanks

All I know is he told me they ran a special optical fibre cable to the house. I don't know what you call his intenet connection but I call everything DSL. His old phone line is not in use. Also the person who did the install was a pretty high mucky-muck and is his best friend.
JJK

I'm only asking cuz it intrigues me, I'm not trying to challenge you. :D
I'd love to hear that residential fiber optic is in use in NEO. That would be incredible.

I think if there were true residential fiber optic to the actual home there would be much more fan fare about it and the media would be all over it.

Most installs of the new cable bundle offerings (VOIP Phone, High Speed Internet, Digital Cable) does require a new cable feed to the home, just as they did in my yard. ;)
It's just a bigger, thicker, better shielded copper cable designed for better bandwidth usage and less signal bleed.

DSL does require line testing as you must be within xx distance of the phone line hub or else the DSL becomes unstable. This may well be the testing that your buddy had completed by the DSL provider or an independent contractor hired by the DSL provider. Whether this involves electrical ground testing I dunno. But again, it's a copper cable. :)

EDIT: Looks like your buddy may well have fiber optic if he uses the FiOS system. I thought the FiOS was an expanded version of the cable bundle technology. Interesting............. :)

Hey folks, general question here. I'm advising a friend on a tv purchase. I DO know my tvs but am not too hip to this qam tuner/cable thing. Hes in Lorain and has the basic/lifeline TW service. What digital channels will he be able to decode? Anything? Anybody know??
Thanks

Very basic intro to QAM:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14908569&postcount=14993

What actual QAM ch's are on TWC in Lorain I do not know. :)

Thanks toby thats a start. He'll at least have locals from what I saw in the link. But, they'll move around ???

Thanks toby thats a start. He'll at least have locals from what I saw in the link. But, they'll move around ???

They may or may not move around. He may well get full program data or none at all. It varies from system to system and region to region.
Generally they make QAM as basic as they are allowed to as an incentive to subscribe and rent a box. ;)

Hey folks, general question here. I'm advising a friend on a tv purchase. I DO know my tvs but am not too hip to this qam tuner/cable thing. Hes in Lorain and has the basic/lifeline TW service. What digital channels will he be able to decode? Anything? Anybody know??
Thanks

Just tell him to get off his wallet and get an HDTV cable box. In the long run, he'll be happier. "clear" QAM is a PITA even for tech savvy AVS members, with the adding and dropping of services plus moving channels. With a box, you have a set lineup, a program guide and better PQ on SD channels.

Just tell him to get off his wallet and get an HDTV cable box. In the long run, he'll be happier. "clear" QAM is a PITA even for tech savvy AVS members, with the adding and dropping of services plus moving channels. With a box, you have a set lineup, a program guide and better PQ on SD channels.

Yup. ;)

Yes, that I am aware of. At some point in the system, using internet or even old landline phones, there is a very good chance we are using fiber optic. But no actual fiber optic to the home/residence in this area.

I know some big office complex buildings (but very few) have direct fiber optic. I think there *may* be a very small residential test of fiber optic in TX somewhere.

Yes, it's fiber to the neighborhood node, then co-ax for the last part of the leg that feeds the home. It's entirely possible that the neighborhood's fiber node is located on the pole outside of his home, but it's copper from there to the house.

All of the major MSOs offer direct fiber connections for medium-to-large businesses; that's an entirely different market segment and usually includes veri high speed data, voice and video services.

The QAM and analog-only tier is crap. Seriously. I wouldn't pay $5 for it. You'd get a much better product and result to invest in OTA by getting a good antenna. The OTA HD and SD digital PQ blows analog cable out of the water. Especially when you're using a high-resolution screen like an HDTV, it looks really, really bad. It should be a crime that they make people pay for that.

Nick, what are you talking about? QAM IS digital. It's the same pic everyone else gets who subscribes to TW HD.
I only subscribe to TW analog Lifeline Basic package (no digital, no HD), BUT, via QAM I get all of my local channels in HIGH DEFINITION when available.
Of course you have to have a proper QAM tuner and an HDTV to take advantage of it.