Hey. I'm not disagreeing with that point one bit. But you have to realize that 1: This is currently just a test and 2: This is a special case because the Youngstown market currently doesn't have a Fox HD feed OTA and WKBN owns WYFX. Add in the fact that they probably don't have the budget for a second digital transmitter/license/etc..

Exactly. I don't see a lot of traction to double-up the HD feeds for stations that aren't trying to deliver two major networks on that one channel.

And I don't even believe most of those new "subchannel networks" have HD feeds - maybe This TV does, but RTN will never have one...their programming is is mostly not in HD to begin with, for obvious reasons!

That ".2 Network" out of Columbus was supposed to have an HD feed, but right now, it's having trouble putting on its regular feed. As far as I know, it isn't up yet, and the longer they wait, the more likely This TV and RTN are going to squeeze them off the "diginet" map for good.

The upshot with WKBN-DT? It's just another experiment to see if two HD channels can live together on the same bandwidth.

Hey. I'm not disagreeing with that point one bit. But you have to realize that 1: This is currently just a test and 2: This is a special case because the Youngstown market currently doesn't have a Fox HD feed OTA and WKBN owns WYFX. Add in the fact that they probably don't have the budget for a second digital transmitter/license/etc..

So? Of all networks out there, I hardly consider FOX worthy of trashing another HD network feed. I already don't like FOX very much. This would be the thing to make me hate them even more.

See, if they own WYFX, then why not upgrade WYFX to a full power HD station?

The CW is a good network on Thursday nights, but that wouldn't mean I'd want WFMJ to downrez NBC programming just for the CW.

nickdawg, please re-read my post. WKBN (or their parent company. I dunno how that's set up but just know WKBN and WYFX are the same blood) probably doesn't have the budget to run 2 individual HD broadcasts and transmitters like most of the Youngstown broadcast market. Why do you suspect that none of them can even do locally originated HD programming like the news programming and such? BUDGET. It is MUCH easier and MUCH cheaper to just run it as a subchannel as it just means taking the feed they already have for WYFX and slip it into the MPEG container being sent through the air through the muxer.

And just because YOU find nothing interesting about Fox doesn't mean everyone else does. Given if I was stuck with just OTA tv and couldn't get cable or satellite, I'd be pretty darn happy that Fox was finally given to us in HD at the expense of a slightly degraded CBS channel. Even though the only show I watch there is House, it's enough to make me desire it. And I'm sure many people like more of the programming on Fox than either of us.

And WFMJ would be a prime example of another station who could just as easily do this for CW if they wanted. But CW isn't as much a top-tier network as CBS, ABC, NBC, or Fox and wouldn't have priority.

Exactly. I don't see a lot of traction to double-up the HD feeds for stations that aren't trying to deliver two major networks on that one channel.

And I don't even believe most of those new "subchannel networks" have HD feeds - maybe This TV does, but RTN will never have one...their programming is is mostly not in HD to begin with, for obvious reasons!

This TV isn't in HD and it is my understanding will not be.

See, if they own WYFX, then why not upgrade WYFX to a full power HD station?

Ownership limits.

The wise thing to do would be to put up a 15 kW LP signal from near the top of their current tower. It'd cover pretty darn well.

- Trip

OMG. Why can't we get USAHD like right this second? :mad: L&O:SVU marathon from 6AM to 6PM tomorrow.

Hey! Look here mister! You will take what TW gives you. TW thinks like you do! :)

nickdawg, please re-read my post. WKBN (or their parent company. I dunno how that's set up but just know WKBN and WYFX are the same blood) probably doesn't have the budget to run 2 individual HD broadcasts and transmitters like most of the Youngstown broadcast market. Why do you suspect that none of them can even do locally originated HD programming like the news programming and such? BUDGET. It is MUCH easier and MUCH cheaper to just run it as a subchannel as it just means taking the feed they already have for WYFX and slip it into the MPEG container being sent through the air through the muxer.

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Isn't WKBN/WYTV some kind of partnership now? If they want a FOX HD, it would make more sense to transfer FOX to WYTV who has ABC at the native 720p. And then move the My Network TV to WKBN as SD only. That way you still have a full HD CBS station with one SD sub and two native 720p channels together. That would be a bit more tolerable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYTV

And just because YOU find nothing interesting about Fox doesn't mean everyone else does. Given if I was stuck with just OTA tv and couldn't get cable or satellite, I'd be pretty darn happy that Fox was finally given to us in HD at the expense of a slightly degraded CBS channel. Even though the only show I watch there is House, it's enough to make me desire it. And I'm sure many people like more of the programming on Fox than either of us.

You only watch "House"? I watch House along with Prison Break, Bones, Hell's Kitchen/Kitchen Nightmares, KOTH, Family Guy, Simpsons, American Dad plus other events like MLB and NFL. I still wouldn't want to sell out the PQ on CBS just for a few shows in HD on FOX. Also, I'd hate to see the result on a Sunday when games are running side by side on FOX and CBS. Regardless of what they say, I'm highly doubtful that a downrezzed, bandwidth squeezed program will look as good as it would native with one 480i sub.

And WFMJ would be a prime example of another station who could just as easily do this for CW if they wanted. But CW isn't as much a top-tier network as CBS, ABC, NBC, or Fox and wouldn't have priority.
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Just as easily? I'm sorry but I don't see degrading the quality of two beautiful 1080i HD networks as 'easy'.:rolleyes:

I think the mistake here is that I am surprised. I shouldn't be surprised that today's TV stations(read:institutions of greed) are looking for every possible way to squeeze more money out of their broadcast. Just wait, someone is going to try two or three subchannels plus the HD channel.

OMG. Why can't we get USAHD like right this second? :mad: L&O:SVU marathon from 6AM to 6PM tomorrow.

I know. Why do we have to wait until March 15?

It must be SDV or else they'd add it NOWWW!!!

Isn't WKBN/WYTV some kind of partnership now? If they want a FOX HD, it would make more sense to transfer FOX to WYTV who has ABC at the native 720p. And then move the My Network TV to WKBN as SD only. That way you still have a full HD CBS station with one SD sub and two native 720p channels together. That would be a bit more tolerable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYTV
That says they are only managed by the same parent company so logistics would probably be an issue with the relative owners. BUT, moving WYFX to WYTV/33 as a subchannel and doing dual HD would be more preferable for the fact that no resolution changes are made. But like I said: Logistics may be an issues as they aren't owned by the same company, only managed according to the wikipedia article. And I'd much rather see WYTV get their Tx power increased first or else it's all a major waste of resources.

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Just as easily? I'm sorry but I don't see degrading the quality of two beautiful 1080i HD networks as 'easy'.:rolleyes:

Easy as in they own WBCB and it's already a subchannel. Would be a cakewalk to bump WBCB to HD given WFMJ has the equipment to downres their main channel or wanted to risk starving it for bandwidth at 1080i. Identical situation as WKBN/WYFX. But again, it's not as high a priority as the likes of NBC or CBS.

Both Youngstown market engineers who have posted on AVS Forum have repeatedly said it: THERE IS NO ROOM for a new full-power digital signal in the market. Period.

I haven't checked recently, but I believe WYFX has a CP or application for 35, now for low-power digital. I have no idea if New Vision intends to construct that facility, but that would presumably be the likely course. 35 is the displacement for out-of-core 62, I believe.

The digital LPTVer wouldn't count in ownership limits, much like WYFX-LP/WFXI-CA don't now.

IMHO it isn't a downgrade to convert 1080i to720p. Just like it is not a downgrade to go from 1080i to720p. Everything that comes thru to my tv is converted to720p anyway. What difference does it make if I do it or if it is done at the station?

I think some people make to much of a big deal over subs. So long as it isn't in HD it looks fine. I think CSI Miami is THE best looking show in HD. On WOIO

I think CSI Miami is THE best looking show in HD. On WOIO

It looks even better on Pittsburgh's KDKA. KDKA doesn't have any subchannels.

Just remember that some people have no problem watching SDTV content stretched to fill a 16x9 screen.

Just because you can pull the wool over the eyes of the masses doesn't mean you should do it.

I also want to point out that I now have Chiller here. And yes, Sleuth has been around for ages.

Now I don't know about certain parties here, but Sleuth would be a worthwhile channel in HD. Last I recall reading about it the situation was that since 99% of the programming there is all originally on film, NBC U re-digitized it all for HD distribution so it's on par with native HD programming nowadays.

Though Chiller on the other hand I'm not too sure about. Everything on there is like Heinz 59 variety. Dunno what you're gonna get.

Just remember that some people have no problem watching SDTV content stretched to fill a 16x9 screen.

Just because you can pull the wool over the eyes of the masses doesn't mean you should do it.

No matter what you say there is no way that stretch SD competes with HD. I don't care how many subs there are. YMMV!

No matter what you say there is no way that stretch SD competes with HD. I don't care how many subs there are. YMMV!
Well, I'll be a third party on this subject and interject this: The way the SD channels are compressed to hell and back they look absolutely awful on any HD set, period.

Now stuff that is not horribly compressed like some VOD (mostly high quality content like the On Demand Movies) and DVD's will look miles better than your garden variety SD digital channels. And depending on your set, the image processor will do a fine job upscaling to near-HD quality.

On a side note, this is one reason why I, personally, prefer HD channels for even SD content. Even though they are knowingly compressed, the artifacts are much less noticable and affecting on image scalers than the compression pushed on 480i channels. And as someone who has done tv capturing for scene/torrent releases in the past, I'd much sooner use an HD channel where available just to avoid fighting with reducing/removing the original artifacts and having the final encoding run waste bitrate on said artifacting.

EDIT: While the thought is in my head, I'm wondering if it's at all worthwhile to start a broad database of known channels in the NEO area? Past, Present, Future. SDV, non-SDV. HD format. Etc.

On a side note, this is one reason why I, personally, prefer HD channels for even SD content. Even though they are knowingly compressed, the artifacts are much less noticable and affecting on image scalers than the compression pushed on 480i channels. And as someone who has done tv capturing for scene/torrent releases in the past, I'd much sooner use an HD channel where available just to avoid fighting with reducing/removing the original artifacts and having the final encoding run waste bitrate on said artifacting.

EDIT: While the thought is in my head, I'm wondering if it's at all worthwhile to start a broad database of known channels in the NEO area? Past, Present, Future. SDV, non-SDV. HD format. Etc.

Absolutely, I watch Amazing Race on WOIO HD for the Dolby 5.1 and much, much cleaner picture. Remember, in my area we don't have true digital locals they are upgraded from analog. And WOIO looks like garbage on SD.

I'll put up with the bars as opposed to having even the slightest distorted feature. It's an upgrade, I don't care how you look at it. Again as in nickdawgs case (what side of the fence is he on today?;))YMMV. That boils down to an opinion not a definite right or wrong.

I just spoke with my TW contact. She said she is not directly involved with SDV, she gets her hands on it sometime. She has no idea as to when we will be on SDV in this area, there is no date set. She also said she doesn't know if it will be required for us to go from SARA to Navigator.

She agreed with me that SARA is perfectly capable of doing SDV, but no work is being done on it now and she doesn't know if/when there will be.

She said she too is excited about the new HD channels coming but again the date is "on or after" March 15.

So I didn't get much from her. Other then the fact that nothing is being done in our area. She confirmed that legacy TW is on SDV now.

Hookbill:
CSI Miami has too much film grain in it, and I don't like the "slanty head guy" and the "tweety bird broad". This show doesn't relate at all to me---forensic expert women wearing high heels to work?---give me a break.
JJK

Hookbill:
CSI Miami has too much film grain in it, and I don't like the "slanty head guy" and the "tweety bird broad". This show doesn't relate at all to me---forensic expert women wearing high heels to work?---give me a break.
JJK

Quite honestly I'm surprised by your post. Usually you have something intelligent to say, but this time you decided to criticize my taste in television.

Grain? Sorry, on my set it's crystal clear and just because you see it on your set doesn't mean it's that way on everyone's. That takes care of the "intelligent" part of your post.

Forensic women wearing high heals: absolutely dumb but no more dumb then every other crime show which showcases their good looking women one way or another. How many female cops do you know that have low rise pants? Unrealistic, but it's television. You can't expect it to be perfect.

CSI: Miami is not one of my favorite shows, I said it was the best looking show on television (outside of football.) Lost, IMHO is a close second. I also believe CBS Dolby 5.1 is the best in television too. Most of the shows I watch are on CBS.

Well, I'll be a third party on this subject and interject this: The way the SD channels are compressed to hell and back they look absolutely awful on any HD set, period.

Now stuff that is not horribly compressed like some VOD (mostly high quality content like the On Demand Movies) and DVD's will look miles better than your garden variety SD digital channels. And depending on your set, the image processor will do a fine job upscaling to near-HD quality..

I agree. I can't even stand to look at the USA on channel 201. However, I was watching Psych on USA on Demand, and with it blown up to full 16:9 rather than windowbox, I almost thought that episode of Psych was HDTV. The sound was better too, and I was only getting L/R 2 channel digital.

Even Bit Torrents look better than SDTV cable. I'll be watching Rescue Me via BT if we do not have F/X by then. :D

Absolutely, I watch Amazing Race on WOIO HD for the Dolby 5.1 and much, much cleaner picture. Remember, in my area we don't have true digital locals they are upgraded from analog. And WOIO looks like garbage on SD.

The 5.1 audio on WOIO? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: WOIO has the worst audio in Cleveland. In fact, they're tied with WBNX. I always hate the audio on WOIO BECAUSE IT IS SO DAMN LOUD!! EVERY TIME A COMMERCIAL COMES ON OR SWITCHES BETWEEN LOCAL AND NETWORK, MY EARS ARE MOLESTED BY THE BLASTING SOUND!!

I wouldn't be lying if I said I have watched WOIO SD just to get away from the horrible sound.

Wow, I'm so glad the HD version of this never launched. In the 5 minutes I watched it, I didn't like it.

I don't even know if I like it or hate it. I just don't know. There's no way to know what's on, as the guide says "data not available".

Thanks TWC, you really think like I think. :p:p:p

"Let's ass a new channel with no guide data, just like the combo of WVIZ multicast services."

The 5.1 audio on WOIO? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: WOIO has the worst audio in Cleveland. In fact, they're tied with WBNX. I always hate the audio on WOIO BECAUSE IT IS SO DAMN LOUD!! EVERY TIME A COMMERCIAL COMES ON OR SWITCHES BETWEEN LOCAL AND NETWORK, MY EARS ARE MOLESTED BY THE BLASTING SOUND!!

I wouldn't be lying if I said I have watched WOIO SD just to get away from the horrible sound.

Turn your volume down, to a sound check on your speakers and calibrate them accordingly. CBS provides the great sound. I wouldn't know about commercials since I record everything I use 30 second skip and tick to go through them.

Fox has good sound too.

Wow, I'm so glad the HD version of this never launched. In the 5 minutes I watched it, I didn't like it.

I don't even know if I like it or hate it. I just don't know. There's no way to know what's on, as the guide says "data not available".

Thanks TWC, you really think like I think. :p:p:p

"Let's ass a new channel with no guide data, just like the combo of WVIZ multicast services."

That is a Navigator issue. SARA has guide data.:p:p:p

That is a Navigator issue. SARA has guide data.:p:p:p

SEE!! I TOLD you IT was BETTER!!!! :p:p:p:p:p

SEE!! I TOLD you IT was BETTER!!!! :p:p:p:p:p

No, remember we get our guide data from a different source then you do.:)

The WKYC website mentioned they were moving to digital 17 after midnight on 2-17-09(and someone talked about it here too) but this morning it appears they're still broadcasting on digital 2.

43-2 "this Cleveland" banner is up over black...

The WKYC website mentioned they were moving to digital 17 after midnight on 2-17-09(and someone talked about it here too) but this morning it appears they're still broadcasting on digital 2.

According to what I heard on the news the only areas that are going forward with the switch on schedule are smaller cities (Like Youngstown). Large cities are staying analog until the June date.

The 5.1 audio on WOIO? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: WOIO has the worst audio in Cleveland. In fact, they're tied with WBNX. I always hate the audio on WOIO BECAUSE IT IS SO DAMN LOUD!! EVERY TIME A COMMERCIAL COMES ON OR SWITCHES BETWEEN LOCAL AND NETWORK, MY EARS ARE MOLESTED BY THE BLASTING SOUND!!

I wouldn't be lying if I said I have watched WOIO SD just to get away from the horrible sound.

I think I have a good idea for your next upgrade...

an AVR with Audyssey's Dynamic Volume. Works perfectly for instances as you describe above.

The WKYC website mentioned they were moving to digital 17 after midnight on 2-17-09(and someone talked about it here too) but this morning it appears they're still broadcasting on digital 2.

All Cleveland market stations save for WOAC in Canton are staying in analog until the new transition date (6/12). WOAC shut off analog 67 last night.

As last I read/heard, WKYC's new tower that'll hold its digital 17 facility is not even remotely close to being completed...and the current occupant of analog 17, WDLI in Canton, is also waiting until June. Channel 3 can't light up that new digital 17 until WDLI goes off the air, for obvious reasons.

I checked out the diagnostics on my TWC SA 4250 STB and it seems I have SARA and a whole bunch of zeros for SDV, and SDV Authorized: No.........

Does that mean I won't be able to get any of the new SDV channels that TWC are promising? Is it possible to get the SARA STB updated to Navigator software?

It feels like I am missing out on the cool stuff :(

I checked out the diagnostics on my TWC SA 4250 STB and it seems I have SARA and a whole bunch of zeros for SDV, and SDV Authorized: No.........

It sounds like you're in the ex-Adelphia Cleveland area, no?

Folks, when you post about cable-related issues here, PLEASE tell us which system, and where you are located. (General city area, not your home address :D)

If you know it, please tell us if you're a former Adelphia or Comcast subscriber.

Well, WBNX-HD went live on WOW yesterday - no big deal there - but in scanning to update the QAM tuners, I saw that SD channels were available through the digital tuner.

114-xxx 11 SD channels
115-xxx 9 SD Channels
116-xxx 4 SD Channels plus WBNX-HD

Seems odd that an HD channel would share with SD channels that are unrelated (C-SPAN, C-SPAN2, Game Show Network, Cartoon Network), so maybe additional channel shuffling is pending.

Also, regarding SDV, while I get the OnDemand stations, I guess those aren't SDV. Here's what's on my SA8300-HDC:

SARA Version: 1.90.5.a110
Switched Digital Video (page 28/63)
CLIENT - Authorized: No
SERVER - Status: Pending

I checked out the diagnostics on my TWC SA 4250 STB and it seems I have SARA and a whole bunch of zeros for SDV, and SDV Authorized: No.........

Does that mean I won't be able to get any of the new SDV channels that TWC are promising? Is it possible to get the SARA STB updated to Navigator software?

It feels like I am missing out on the cool stuff :(

Here in ex Adelphia land we do not have SDV yet.

Sometime or another we will. But what's involved with it is anyone's guess. I spoke with a person today at headend and she told me she didn't know if we were going to convert to Navigator. She said that SARA is perfectly capable of SDV.

It's anybody's guess when we will get it. But don't worry you won't miss out on any HD offerings from TW. A spokesperson for them has already come out and said that legacy TW will not have more HD then we do, it wouldn't be right so they are stuck.

I'm predicting fall for SDV. Supposedly we will have a few new HD channels on or after March 15.

I say don't hold your breath.:)

It sounds like you're in the ex-Adelphia Cleveland area, no?

Folks, when you post about cable-related issues here, PLEASE tell us which system, and where you are located. (General city area, not your home address :D)

If you know it, please tell us if you're a former Adelphia or Comcast subscriber.
Oops sorry! Yes, I am ex-Adelphia in Avon....

Well, WBNX-HD went live on WOW yesterday - no big deal there - but in scanning to update the QAM tuners, I saw that SD channels were available through the digital tuner.

114-xxx 11 SD channels
115-xxx 9 SD Channels
116-xxx 4 SD Channels plus WBNX-HD

Seems odd that an HD channel would share with SD channels that are unrelated (C-SPAN, C-SPAN2, Game Show Network, Cartoon Network), so maybe additional channel shuffling is pending.

Also, regarding SDV, while I get the OnDemand stations, I guess those aren't SDV. Here's what's on my SA8300-HDC:

SARA Version: 1.90.5.a110
Switched Digital Video (page 28/63)
CLIENT - Authorized: No
SERVER - Status: Pending

Welcome to 2007!!!!:D

If you are new you should understand that SDV does not mean "SDV channels." It is simply placing current/new channels on in a manner where you STB or DVR will request these channels, thus saving bandwith.

The basic plan is to take the least popular channels and put them on SDV. Like the Jewlery Channel. nickdawg has a good idea of what channels are currently on SDV so when he pops in maybe he can fill you in on what channels are currently on SDV. You are not missing anything but not having SDV.

Legacy TW may currently have a different line up then we do, with some channels we don't have. Follow the link below and you can see what line up other areas have, if you are curious. I'm not.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NortheastOhio/

No, remember we get our guide data from a different source then you do.:)

No you don't. In that photo posted the other day, I saw a TV Guide logo on your SARA box. There's also a TV Guide logo on the Navigator guide. Plus it was on Passport.

No you don't. In that photo posted the other day, I saw a TV Guide logo on your SARA box. There's also a TV Guide logo on the Navigator guide. Plus it was on Passport.

nickdawg, I've told you at least 1/2 a dozen times that the guide DOES NOT SHOW FIRST RUN!!!! That's why people here cannot record first run with SARA. SARA is perfectly capable of it but only if it is in the guide.

It may look the same but it isn't.

Also, Primetime On Demand is up on channel 516. Currently almost all CBS shows are listed, plus F/X shows!!!

The F/X shows are "currently unavailable". But I played a CSI:NY episode. The SD PQ on this On Demand channel kicks the ASS of WOIO SD channel.

CBS shows are 4x3 with a bug, but no ads. And if you watch CBS, you know what kind of sadistic torture device their popup ads are. Especially during dark scenes of dark shows like CSI or Ghost Whisperer.

I assume that the F/X shows will be shown in 16x9, as that is how they are shown on the regular F/X channel.

I assume that the F/X shows will be shown in 16x9, as that is how they are shown on the regular F/X channel.

No FX does not show in 16X9. It is letterboxed!!!!!

The only way you get 16x9 is HD. That's it.

No FX does not show in 16X9. It is letterboxed!!!!!

The only way you get 16x9 is HD. That's it.

That's what I mean, it is shown in 16x9 letterbox. Thus, if you watch it on a HDTV set, you can 'expand' it to full 16x9.

USA on Demand also shows content 16x9. It would be 16x9 the way it originates for a 4x3 TV. But expanding the picture gives a full 16x9 picture on a 16x9 TV.

Welcome to 2007!!!!:D
OK, that was funny. Surprised you gave credit for 2007. :D

If you are new you should understand that SDV does not mean "SDV channels." It is simply placing current/new channels on in a manner where you STB or DVR will request these channels, thus saving bandwith.
Ah, thanks. Found this article, which was helpful.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/switched-digital-video.htm

nickdawg, I've told you at least 1/2 a dozen times that the guide DOES NOT SHOW FIRST RUN!!!! That's why people here cannot record first run with SARA. SARA is perfectly capable of it but only if it is in the guide.
Since I have the "New" flag in the program guide of my SARA box, I have the option to record "first run only". Interesting that such readily available data would not be included in every data feed. Isn't this function one of the major benefits of a DVR/STB? Heck, even free sites like TitanTV.com flag first-run episodes.

That's what I mean, it is shown in 16x9 letterbox. Thus, if you watch it on a HDTV set, you can 'expand' it to full 16x9.

USA on Demand also shows content 16x9. It would be 16x9 the way it originates for a 4x3 TV. But expanding the picture gives a full 16x9 picture on a 16x9 TV.
Here's a good article explaining aspect ratios:

http://www.dishuser.org/aspect.php

Since I have the "New" flag in the program guide of my SARA box, I have the option to record "first run only". Interesting that such readily available data would not be included in every data feed. Isn't this function one of the major benefits of a DVR/STB? Heck, even free sites like TitanTV.com flag first-run episodes.


If that's so then I would say we do have the same guide as nickdawg. I thought I would see that on the STB, guess I was wrong.

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Also, regarding SDV, while I get the OnDemand stations, I guess those aren't SDV. Here's what's on my SA8300-HDC:

SARA Version: 1.90.5.a110
Switched Digital Video (page 28/63)
CLIENT - Authorized: No
SERVER - Status: Pending

I think our WOW boxes are ready and capable for SDV but it has not been implemented yet. That's how I read the diag screens anyway.

I didn't see the comment about On Demand. On Demand in all essence IS SDV - but not really.:confused::)

OK, SDV works kind of like On Demand. You request the channel, it sends it to you. That's how SDV works. Only SDV works seamlessly, you won't see the delay like you do with On Demand.

TWC was hard at work today. I saw two of their trucks parked in the Crazy Horse lot this afternoon. :D

TWC was hard at work today. I saw two of their trucks parked in the Crazy Horse lot this afternoon. :D

Where SDV is just another STD. :eek:

I didn't see the comment about On Demand. On Demand in all essence IS SDV - but not really.:confused::)

OK, SDV works kind of like On Demand. You request the channel, it sends it to you. That's how SDV works. Only SDV works seamlessly, you won't see the delay like you do with On Demand.

Yep!! The channels work jus like any other cable channel. Well, if you have a SA STB, that is! :p Only once have I seen a "Please Wait" message on a live SDV channel. And that was after a reboot.

Yep!! The channels work jus like any other cable channel. Well, if you have a SA STB, that is! :p Only once have I seen a "Please Wait" message on a live SDV channel. And that was after a reboot.

Translation: His 8600 crashed.:D;)

Or was that your STB?

I dunno if anyone has mentioned it yet, but Chiller is also marked as SDV on this end in legacy territory. Pretty much guessing most new channels added are gonna be put into the SDV list.

I dunno if anyone has mentioned it yet, but Chiller is also marked as SDV on this end in legacy territory. Pretty much guessing most new channels added are gonna be put into the SDV list.

Considering all the popular channels are already available I would tend to agree. And you can expect to see more channels going over there, including new HD channels. Eventually. If they ever really get here!;)

Any TiVo people out there getting this? My headend person says she was able to get it on their TiVo but I seem to be having issues. One of my TiVo's acknowledges the existance of the channel, the other is not even seeing it. I've done guided set ups but that didn't help. My headend person is still working on it, probably something in the stream again.

If I never get it doesn't matter. I'll never look at it anyway.

I wonder why the Cavs are not in HD tonight. The schedule says they should be on TW FSNHD, but instead there is a Hockey game????

Now it is on. What a difference the Cavs in HD makes!

I wonder why the Cavs are not in HD tonight. The schedule says they should be on TW FSNHD, but instead there is a Hockey game????

I have E* and the Cavs are in HD on FSN Ohio.

Here in ex Adelphia land we do not have SDV yet.

Sometime or another we will. But what's involved with it is anyone's guess. I spoke with a person today at headend and she told me she didn't know if we were going to convert to Navigator. She said that SARA is perfectly capable of SDV.

It's anybody's guess when we will get it. But don't worry you won't miss out on any HD offerings from TW. A spokesperson for them has already come out and said that legacy TW will not have more HD then we do, it wouldn't be right so they are stuck.

I'm predicting fall for SDV. Supposedly we will have a few new HD channels on or after March 15.

I say don't hold your breath.:)

Hookbill, I notice on the TWC notices page that some Adelphia areas are having many changes on March 1st. Is this your area? Maybe this is tied with the SDV.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/learn/programming/whatsontv/programmingnotices.html

Hookbill, I notice on the TWC notices page that some Adelphia areas are having many changes on March 1st. Is this your area? Maybe this is tied with the SDV.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/learn/programming/whatsontv/programmingnotices.html

The vast majority of that had to do with On Demand. On Demand has nothing to do with SDV. Also was the usual advisory that some service may not renewal that is required when a contract ends. Those channels will more then likely renew.

The vast majority of that had to do with On Demand. On Demand has nothing to do with SDV. Also was the usual advisory that some service may not renewal that is required when a contract ends. Those channels will more then likely renew.

I wouldn't be too sure. If they are adding vod services, it might be part of a bandwith expansion in the area which could be a result of sdv releasing dedicated bandwith allocations.

I wouldn't be too sure. If they are adding vod services, it might be part of a bandwith expansion in the area which could be a result of sdv releasing dedicated bandwith allocations.

Rick, respectfully I say to you that you really need to understand SDV a little better.

I've been following the progress of SDV for over 2 and a half years, I started getting into it as a result of wanting to purchase my TiVo. I understand EXACTLY how it works. And On Demand is not part of it.

On Demand is not part of any effort to conserve bandwith, that is simply a benefit of cable. Many people love On Demand so Time Warner is simply meeting customer needs.

While the two may sound similar they are in fact as different as night and day. When you take channels that are broadcasting live and put them on SDV, that is conserving bandwith. The technology is totally different.

Think about it a few seconds. With On Demand you are not removing existing channels off the cable you are just making programming more convenient. SDV is calling up the live programming on a one to one basis. Totally different.

Cox Cleveland in it's infinite wisdom just added WOAC-HD !
Now, I don't think that WOAC has any real programs let alone high def programs.

Rick, respectfully I say to you that you really need to understand SDV a little better.

I've been following the progress of SDV for over 2 and a half years, I started getting into it as a result of wanting to purchase my TiVo. I understand EXACTLY how it works. And On Demand is not part of it.

On Demand is not part of any effort to conserve bandwith, that is simply a benefit of cable. Many people love On Demand so Time Warner is simply meeting customer needs.

While the two may sound similar they are in fact as different as night and day. When you take channels that are broadcasting live and put them on SDV, that is conserving bandwith. The technology is totally different.

Think about it a few seconds. With On Demand you are not removing existing channels off the cable you are just making programming more convenient. SDV is calling up the live programming on a one to one basis. Totally different.

I saw that VOD channel thing. Actually, that might have more to do with Navigator, which is indirectly tied to SDV.

On Navigator, we've had the VOD channels like that since the beginning. What that Programming Notice says is those services will be added as individual channels. Which sounds like they're taking the VOD programs off channel 1 and moving them into the 500s range.

Cox Cleveland in it's infinite wisdom just added WOAC-HD !
Now, I don't think that WOAC has any real programs let alone high def programs.

Is it really at a HD resolution (720p/1080i) or is it just digital and called "HD"?

Mistake or attempt to increase HD channel numbers?? ;);)

Rick, respectfully I say to you that you really need to understand SDV a little better.

I've been following the progress of SDV for over 2 and a half years, I started getting into it as a result of wanting to purchase my TiVo. I understand EXACTLY how it works. And On Demand is not part of it.

On Demand is not part of any effort to conserve bandwith, that is simply a benefit of cable. Many people love On Demand so Time Warner is simply meeting customer needs.

While the two may sound similar they are in fact as different as night and day. When you take channels that are broadcasting live and put them on SDV, that is conserving bandwith. The technology is totally different.

Think about it a few seconds. With On Demand you are not removing existing channels off the cable you are just making programming more convenient. SDV is calling up the live programming on a one to one basis. Totally different.


Actually Hookbill, on demand technology is very close to sdv. They both only consume bandwidth when someone uses them. Also they both need dedicated frequencys that are shared by all of the on demands/sdv channels. :)

I saw that VOD channel thing. Actually, that might have more to do with Navigator, which is indirectly tied to SDV.

On Navigator, we've had the VOD channels like that since the beginning. What that Programming Notice says is those services will be added as individual channels. Which sounds like they're taking the VOD programs off channel 1 and moving them into the 500s range.

:confused::confused:

nickdawg we have a great deal of On Demand right now. They probably are just getting us caught up.

I checked out the diagnostics on my TWC SA 4250 STB and it seems I have SARA and a whole bunch of zeros for SDV, and SDV Authorized: No.........

Does that mean I won't be able to get any of the new SDV channels that TWC are promising? Is it possible to get the SARA STB updated to Navigator software?

It feels like I am missing out on the cool stuff :(

Trust me, you do not WANT Navigator on that 4250 STB. Any of the HDC boxes(4250,8300) are horrible with Navigator. Like elecrticity and water, bad combination.

Many times I've dreamed of hitting that box with a sledge hammer for an hour!:D

:confused::confused:

nickdawg we have a great deal of On Demand right now. They probably are just getting us caught up.

Oh good, you're here.

Where are your VOD Channels? Are they on channel 1 or in the 500s? Do-
you have Entertainment On Demand on channel 512? News and World on 514? Cutting Edge On Demand on 515?

Also, speaking of TWC, those Jass-holes ;) still haven't added Primetime On Demand on the 4250HDC. Thanks alot!! When a VOD channel I finally want comes out, they choose not to add it to the OCAP boxes. :mad:

Oh good, you're here.

Where are your VOD Channels? Are they on channel 1 or in the 500s? Do-
you have Entertainment On Demand on channel 512? News and World on 514? Cutting Edge On Demand on 515?

Also, speaking of TWC, those Jass-holes ;) still haven't added Primetime On Demand on the 4250HDC. Thanks alot!! When a VOD channel I finally want comes out, they choose not to add it to the OCAP boxes. :mad:

I'm not sure because really I'm not an On Demand person, the wife is. I brought her to it and showed her how it works. I think the way it works now is you go to channel 1 and you access everything from there. I know The Reality Channel is one of them, and there is a bunch more but sorry, I can't tell you exactly what they all are. And since I'm a TiVo person my box doesn't access On Demand, which to me is no lost since I don't use it anyway.

Is it really at a HD resolution (720p/1080i) or is it just digital and called "HD"?

Mistake or attempt to increase HD channel numbers?? ;);)

I don't know if WOAC is broadcasting at 720p/1080i (I'll check later)
But, COX sends all channels in digital, with analog copies for channels 2 to 99.
This is ch. 712 labeled WOAC-DT like a lot of other HD stations and is in the HD tier.

I don't see any HD for that channel. It looks like it's an OTA shopping channel from what I gather.

They have shut down their analog signal from what I read. And they are owned by Scripts.

Oh good, you're here.

Where are your VOD Channels? Are they on channel 1 or in the 500s? Do-
you have Entertainment On Demand on channel 512? News and World on 514? Cutting Edge On Demand on 515?

Also, speaking of TWC, those Jass-holes ;) still haven't added Primetime On Demand on the 4250HDC. Thanks alot!! When a VOD channel I finally want comes out, they choose not to add it to the OCAP boxes. :mad:

Nickdawg, do you have both type boxes? hd and hdc? I'm surprised it would work on one but not the other. I looked at Primetime On Demand last night and I saw there were a bunch of CBS shows, but only a couple NBC shows I think. I didn't try watching any of them so I don't know if they worked or not. I also noticed that some Scifi Channel stuff was on Cutting Edge. I would use them more often if they were in HD.

Scripps sold WOAC-67 and its other former Shop at Home stations to Multicultural Broadcasting, who eventually plans to program the stations with Asian-language fare. Not sure how successful that'd be on WOAC or WRAY, but...

And I've seen nothing to suggest that 67-1 is in HD, given that none of the other Multicultural Broadcasting stations are in HD.

- Trip

I'm not sure because really I'm not an On Demand person, the wife is. I brought her to it and showed her how it works. I think the way it works now is you go to channel 1 and you access everything from there. I know The Reality Channel is one of them, and there is a bunch more but sorry, I can't tell you exactly what they all are. And since I'm a TiVo person my box doesn't access On Demand, which to me is no lost since I don't use it anyway.

I'm just the opposite. :D I LOVE VOD!

It's a great way to watch shows from Discovery Ch, A&E, C-SPAN, History Ch, Nat. Geographic, TLC, Science Ch, Travel Ch, HGTV, etc..., plus VOD for any premium ch's you might subscribe too (HBO, TMC, Starz, Cinemax, Showtime, etc..).

- missed non-premium shows
- missed news shows
- premium ch movies
- premium ch series
- premium ch specials

Great example: I turned my parents onto the Tudors series on Showtime. But they started in season two. I just pointed them to their Showtime VOD service and right there was "Tudors season one" all in one remote click. :)

They have an entire Kids VOD ch as well. No idea what is on there but that sure would be nice for those with kids.

WOAC has mostly Infomercials with the occasional brokered local show or religious program. I wouldnt expect them to do an Asian/Ethnic format if they havent done so in the last 3 years..

I'm just the opposite. :D I LOVE VOD!

It's a great way to watch shows from Discovery Ch, A&E, C-SPAN, History Ch, Nat. Geographic, TLC, Science Ch, Travel Ch, HGTV, etc..., plus VOD for any premium ch's you might subscribe too (HBO, TMC, Starz, Cinemax, Showtime, etc..).

- missed non-premium shows
- missed news shows
- premium ch movies
- premium ch series
- premium ch specials

Great example: I turned my parents onto the Tudors series on Showtime. But they started in season two. I just pointed them to their Showtime VOD service and right there was "Tudors season one" all in one remote click. :)

They have an entire Kids VOD ch as well. No idea what is on there but that sure would be nice for those with kids.

Yeah, lots of people love it. Well, if we all liked the same thing the world would be a boring place. Of course sometimes boredom may be more welcome then pulling my hair out dealing with some people in this forum.

I'll leave you to speculate who that is. It shouldn't take you long to figure out.:D

Edit: Did you see the Tudors in HD?

Nickdawg, do you have both type boxes? hd and hdc? I'm surprised it would work on one but not the other. I looked at Primetime On Demand last night and I saw there were a bunch of CBS shows, but only a couple NBC shows I think. I didn't try watching any of them so I don't know if they worked or not. I also noticed that some Scifi Channel stuff was on Cutting Edge. I would use them more often if they were in HD.

HD vs. HDC are two entirely different animals. They use different software and even different software programming. That's why the HD box is better than the HDC box. The HD box has always worked, from Passport to both versions of Navigator. The HDC box has never worked. I had one in the fall of 2007 that sucked, the one I have since January 2009 still sucks the same way. They have not updated software in a year and a half.

OCAP is the work of SATAN!!! :D:D:D:D

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-So78iy2MFI/SLDAKQxz-EI/AAAAAAAAAXw/H5_uJ-7xdXI/s400/church_lady.jpg

I'm starting to warm up to VOD. I used to think it was a waste of space, but now that they add shows I like, I'm starting to like it.

It doesn't have to be HD. If you watch shows on USA (Entertainment 512) or Scifi (Cutting Edge 515 ?) the picture quality is better than watching the actual USA or Scifi channel. And look at the CBS shows in SD on Primetime On Demand, the picture quality is better than anything I've ever seen on WOIO SD.

I don't really care about HD. I'll take good quality SD as well. The episode of Psych I watched last Saturday on 512 looked about as good as HD, in 480i 'zoomed' to 16:9.

HD vs. HDC are two entirely different animals. They use different software and even different software programming. That's why the HD box is better than the HDC box. The HD box has always worked, from Passport to both versions of Navigator. The HDC box has never worked. I had one in the fall of 2007 that sucked, the one I have since January 2009 still sucks the same way. They have not updated software in a year and a half.

OCAP is the work of SATAN!!! :D:D:D:D

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-So78iy2MFI/SLDAKQxz-EI/AAAAAAAAAXw/H5_uJ-7xdXI/s400/church_lady.jpg

I'm starting to warm up to VOD. I used to think it was a waste of space, but now that they add shows I like, I'm starting to like it.

It doesn't have to be HD. If you watch shows on USA (Entertainment 512) or Scifi (Cutting Edge 515 ?) the picture quality is better than watching the actual USA or Scifi channel. And look at the CBS shows in SD on Primetime On Demand, the picture quality is better than anything I've ever seen on WOIO SD.

I don't really care about HD. I'll take good quality SD as well. The episode of Psych I watched last Saturday on 512 looked about as good as HD, in 480i 'zoomed' to 16:9.

What channel is Primetime on Demand on? Was it just added?

I'm just the opposite. :D I LOVE VOD!

It's a great way to watch shows from Discovery Ch, A&E, C-SPAN, History Ch, Nat. Geographic, TLC, Science Ch, Travel Ch, HGTV, etc..., plus VOD for any premium ch's you might subscribe too (HBO, TMC, Starz, Cinemax, Showtime, etc..).

- missed non-premium shows
- missed news shows
- premium ch movies
- premium ch series
- premium ch specials

Great example: I turned my parents onto the Tudors series on Showtime. But they started in season two. I just pointed them to their Showtime VOD service and right there was "Tudors season one" all in one remote click. :)

They have an entire Kids VOD ch as well. No idea what is on there but that sure would be nice for those with kids.

I'm warming up to it now. At first, it was just premium channels and movies only. I like the other content they are adding, like USA, SCIFI and now CBS and NBC. Also Primetime On Demand has access to F/X, so I hope Rescue Me will be there once that premieres. Saves me the trouble of having to download BTs every week;). The F/X shows now work on the MDN box, I briefly looked at an episode of Nip/Tuck. Far superior to what you would see on the regular TV version.

Now if only ABC would add content too, so I don't have to worry about recording 'Lost' anymore! :D

What channel is Primetime on Demand on? Was it just added?

If you have Navigator, it should be on channel 516. Right now it has programming from CBS, some from NBC and some from F/X.

Now if only ABC would add content too, so I don't have to worry about recording 'Lost' anymore! :D

For your sake I certainly hope they do. I sure wouldn't want to rely on that DVR.:p:p:p

Sorry, you kind of left yourself open. I couldn't resist.;)

Scripps sold WOAC-67 and its other former Shop at Home stations to Multicultural Broadcasting, who eventually plans to program the stations with Asian-language fare. Not sure how successful that'd be on WOAC or WRAY, but...

And I've seen nothing to suggest that 67-1 is in HD, given that none of the other Multicultural Broadcasting stations are in HD.

- TripI've been getting WOAC-DT OTA on my E*622. It's the same as WQHS-DT, one SD digital feed, period. No HD, no subchannels.

(maybe they should lend some of their wasted bandwidth to WKBN-DT :D )

For your sake I certainly hope they do. I sure wouldn't want to rely on that DVR.:p:p:p

Sorry, you kind of left yourself open. I couldn't resist.;)

PFFFFFT!!! :p:p:p

On another good note, mark your calendars for Sunday April 19. The new season of "In Plain Sight" premieres at 10pm on USA HD.

I'm so glad it is Sunday at 10pm, since there is NOTHING at all on Sunday nights. No need to worrk about DVR sapce for that show, I can watch it live!!!:D:D YES!! YES!!:D

PFFFFFT!!! :p:p:p

On another good note, mark your calendars for Sunday April 19. The new season of "In Plain Sight" premieres at 10pm on USA HD.

I'm so glad it is Sunday at 10pm, since there is NOTHING at all on Sunday nights. No need to worrk about DVR sapce for that show, I can watch it live!!!:D:D YES!! YES!!:D

Didn't that get cancelled? Are you sure they are new ones?

And don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Yeah, lots of people love it. Well, if we all liked the same thing the world would be a boring place. Of course sometimes boredom may be more welcome then pulling my hair out dealing with some people in this forum.

I'll leave you to speculate who that is. It shouldn't take you long to figure out.:D

Edit: Did you see the Tudors in HD?

;)

I don't know if the Tudors are offered in HD via cable. There is a separate HD VOD service which costs extra, dunno if it would be on there. The Showtime VOD, through their own VOD ch and the Premium VOD ch, are all just digital cable. Like all of the movie ch's there is a single HD ch, a duplicate of their primary digital ch.

I didn't get HD cable service till last summer (which is why I've had my OTA tuner) and was well after the season for the Tudors. It may well be offered on the Showtime HD ch, I'll let you know in April. :D

The Premium VOD ch is just a duplicate of all of the subscription movie ch's, but in a one ch location for ease of use I guess. :confused:

Didn't that get cancelled? Are you sure they are new ones?

And don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Yes, they are new ones. I saw a commercial the other day. Ironically, I see the ads on Universal HD. Every time I watch that channel, I'm harassed by ads for shows on a channel I don't get: USA HD. AAAARRRRRGHH!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

And no, "it didn't get cancelled". It was one of cable's best new shows last summer. If you haven't watched it, DO IT NOW!! It is fantastic.

Mary Shannon is like the "Anti-Closer". She's hot, she kicks ass and she's awesome!! It's about the witness protection program and their agents.

Plus Mary McCormack (the star) is hot. Definitely a "Mrs. Nickdawg"!! :D;)

Yes, they are new ones. I saw a commercial the other day. Ironically, I see the ads on Universal HD. Every time I watch that channel, I'm harassed by ads for shows on a channel I don't get: USA HD. AAAARRRRRGHH!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

And no, "it didn't get cancelled". It was one of cable's best new shows last summer. If you haven't watched it, DO IT NOW!! It is fantastic.

Mary Shannon is like the "Anti-Closer". She's hot, she kicks ass and she's awesome!! It's about the witness protection program and their agents.

Plus Mary McCormack (the star) is hot. Definitely a "Mrs. Nickdawg"!! :D;)

If it was on USA I probably have a Season Pass. I thought it was NBC. I'll double check it in April. Thanks for the heads up.

;)

I don't know if the Tudors are offered in HD via cable. There is a separate HD VOD service which costs extra, dunno if it would be on there. The Showtime VOD, through their own VOD ch and the Premium VOD ch, are all just digital cable. Like all of the movie ch's there is a single HD ch, a duplicate of their primary digital ch.

I didn't get HD cable service till last summer (which is why I've had my OTA tuner) and was well after the season for the Tudors. It may well be offered on the Showtime HD ch, I'll let you know in April. :D

The Premium VOD is just a duplicate of all of the subscription movie ch's, but in a one ch location for ease of use I guess. :confused:

Speaking og movie channels and HD, I have an idea I want to run past the "audience".

I hate that the only way to get an HD channel, like Starz HD, is to pay $12 a month for 8 or 10 channels I don't care for. The only channels I really would have an interest in are the HD versions of each premium service. So what I would like to see is an HD-only package that includes HBO HD, Showtime HD, Cinemax HD and Starx HD, for one price. This way you get more HD channels, less expense and a better selection of HD movies. Also, there are original series among these networks. I liked Dexter when it was on CBS last year, but I won't watch it on Showtime, since it would mean adding another huge expense ($12) on top of what I pay for HBO. Sorry Dexter, Bill Maher wins, everytime! :D

I don't like the current channels because one show may be on the main HD channel one day, then the same damn thing is on another flavor of that service the next day. So I have to watch repeats of something from HBO HD on HBO Comedy, or whatever.

Speaking og movie channels and HD, I have an idea I want to run past the "audience".

I hate that the only way to get an HD channel, like Starz HD, is to pay $12 a month for 8 or 10 channels I don't care for. The only channels I really would have an interest in are the HD versions of each premium service. So what I would like to see is an HD-only package that includes HBO HD, Showtime HD, Cinemax HD and Starx HD, for one price. This way you get more HD channels, less expense and a better selection of HD movies. Also, there are original series among these networks. I liked Dexter when it was on CBS last year, but I won't watch it on Showtime, since it would mean adding another huge expense ($12) on top of what I pay for HBO. Sorry Dexter, Bill Maher wins, everytime! :D

I don't like the current channels because one show may be on the main HD channel one day, then the same damn thing is on another flavor of that service the next day. So I have to watch repeats of something from HBO HD on HBO Comedy, or whatever.

Love the idea, but not likely. Anything *HD* is going to be sold as an added premium for the foreseeable future. So they will all want you to buy the HBO Pkg., then "add" the HBO HD feed for extra. I don't think al-a-carte will ever fly with cable or sat providers.

Why sell you HBO HD for $3 when they can sell you 8 HBO ch's and HBO HD for $12. ;)

If you have Navigator, it should be on channel 516. Right now it has programming from CBS, some from NBC and some from F/X.

Nothing on 516 in Erie, PA. When was it added in Cleveland?

Love the idea, but not likely. Anything *HD* is going to be sold as an added premium for the foreseeable future. So they will all want you to buy the HBO Pkg., then "add" the HBO HD feed for extra. I don't think al-a-carte will ever fly with cable or sat providers.

Why sell you HBO HD for $3 when they can sell you 8 HBO ch's and HBO HD for $12. ;)

Make the "HDTV Tier: Part Two" cost $16 a month. That way they are selling you FOUR channels for 16 bucks!!! That's an even better inflated price than 8 channels for $12!!! :D:D:D

Nothing on 516 in Erie, PA. When was it added in Cleveland?

Do you have Navigator?

Do you have a cable box where the model number ends in "HDC"?
ex. 8300HDC, 4250HDC

Nothing on 516 in Erie, PA. When was it added in Cleveland?

nickdawg isn't in the Cleveland exAdelphia area. He is legacy TW, wherever that is.

Make the "HDTV Tier: Part Two" cost $16 a month. That way they are selling you FOUR channels for 16 bucks!!! That's an even better inflated price than 8 channels for $12!!! :D:D:D



Do you have Navigator?

Do you have a cable box where the model number ends in "HDC"?
ex. 8300HDC, 4250HDC

I have Navigator and an 8300HDC box. I haven't checked on my other 8300HD box with the new Navigator. Why should it matter which box?

I have Navigator and an 8300HDC box. I haven't checked on my other 8300HD box with the new Navigator. Why should it matter which box?

HDC boxes are crap. Navigator for OCAP sucks. OCAP in general is garbage. Those boxes are prone to scew ups and are usually behind the regular boxes. If you have both, you should be seeing a night and day difference between the two, especially the 8300HDC. It is the worst of the worst!

Like the other day when Chiller was added. My 8300HD got the channel in the morning. The 4250HDC didn't get it until that evening.

With Primetime OD, the 8300HD has had it since yesterday. Still not there on the 4250. I'm trying to reboot it now to 'help' it along. I'll let you know the results of that reboot in about 4 or 5 days when the boot cycle is complete.;) :p:p :D:D:D

This is yet another problem that has not been fixed in almost two years. I had another HDC box(which I no longer have :D) back in 2007 around the time TBS HD was added. My old Pioneer SD box(on Passport at the time) had the channel it could not process and display TWO DAYS before the HDC box had it. :mad:

Did I ever mention I hate OCAP? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

UPDATE: After the reboot, the channel shows up on 516. I guess this POS box did need to be 'helped'!

nickdawg isn't in the Cleveland exAdelphia area. He is legacy TW, wherever that is.

I'll tell you where it is: an area larger than former Adelphia. Let's see: Akron, Canton, Kent, Youngstown, New Philadelphia, Erie. While they're not all legacy TWC, they all have Navigator. And that's just the areas we know about.

Sounds like it is time for some new HD SDV channels, you know, to better serve the MAJORITY of their customers! ;);););) :p:p:p

I'll tell you where it is: an area larger than former Adelphia. Let's see: Akron, Canton, Kent, Youngstown, New Philadelphia, Erie. While they're not all legacy TWC, they all have Navigator. And that's just the areas we know about.

Sounds like it is time for some new HD SDV channels, you know, to better serve the MAJORITY of their customers! ;);););) :p:p:p

Parts of Kent are in ex Adelphia. And I believe Erie is ex Adelphia, they were running Passport over there. I could be wrong on that but that's what I remember. It doesn't make a difference that area is not as large population wise as ex Adelphia. Who ever told you Youngstown was legacy TW, I don't think so.

Parts of Kent are in ex Adelphia. And I believe Erie is ex Adelphia, they were running Passport over there. I could be wrong on that but that's what I remember. It doesn't make a difference that area is not as large population wise as ex Adelphia. Who ever told you Youngstown was legacy TW, I don't think so.

Youngstown has the VOD channels on separate channels in the 500s. Ex-Adelphia areas not on Navigator use the VOD Portal channel on channel 1.

http://www.twclineup.com/lineups0208/TWNEO5935YoungstownMigrationLU021908.pdf

Still, that makes my case stronger. Even former Adelphia(maybe Comcast) have Navigator and SDV. It sounds like all Navigator areas have SDV. If Mr. JASS-HOLE doesn't want to lose his customers, it would be very wise of him to stop pissing on all the viewers who have SDV.

Who cares if Cleveland/suburban Cleveland has more people? It should go by areas that have more HD VIEWERS. It's pathetic we have to wait until the slums of east Cleveland can watch the HD channels too, even though there may be little or no HD viewers there.

Youngstown has the VOD channels on separate channels in the 500s. Ex-Adelphia areas not on Navigator use the VOD Portal channel on channel 1.

http://www.twclineup.com/lineups0208/TWNEO5935YoungstownMigrationLU021908.pdf

Still, that makes my case stronger. Even former Adelphia(maybe Comcast) have Navigator and SDV. It sounds like all Navigator areas have SDV. If Mr. JASS-HOLE doesn't want to lose his customers, it would be very wise of him to stop pissing on all the viewers who have SDV.

Who cares if Cleveland/suburban Cleveland has more people? It should go by areas that have more HD VIEWERS. It's pathetic we have to wait until the slums of east Cleveland can watch the HD channels too, even though there may be little or no HD viewers there.

If they are using Navigator of course. That doesn't mean they were part of TW Legacy.

I believe all the areas you describe in the South like New Philadelphia, but you're wrong about the Eastern areas.

If they are using Navigator of course. That doesn't mean they were part of TW Legacy.

I believe all the areas you describe in the South like New Philadelphia, but you're wrong about the Eastern areas.

Look at the expanded basic lineup of Youngstown. Everything from 19 to 99 is identical to Akron, Canton, Kent, etc. Anywhere that had that lineup is ex-TWC. Unlike Adelphia, TWC had a consistent lineup, other than the 2-18 channels.

HDC boxes are crap. Navigator for OCAP sucks. OCAP in general is garbage. Those boxes are prone to scew ups and are usually behind the regular boxes. If you have both, you should be seeing a night and day difference between the two, especially the 8300HDC. It is the worst of the worst!

Like the other day when Chiller was added. My 8300HD got the channel in the morning. The 4250HDC didn't get it until that evening.

With Primetime OD, the 8300HD has had it since yesterday. Still not there on the 4250. I'm trying to reboot it now to 'help' it along. I'll let you know the results of that reboot in about 4 or 5 days when the boot cycle is complete.;) :p:p :D:D:D

This is yet another problem that has not been fixed in almost two years. I had another HDC box(which I no longer have :D) back in 2007 around the time TBS HD was added. My old Pioneer SD box(on Passport at the time) had the channel it could not process and display TWO DAYS before the HDC box had it. :mad:

Did I ever mention I hate OCAP? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

UPDATE: After the reboot, the channel shows up on 516. I guess this POS box did need to be 'helped'!

I don't have it on either box on 516 so far. Typically in our area the new channels do show up on both boxes at the same time.

I don't have it on either box on 516 so far. Typically in our area the new channels do show up on both boxes at the same time.


Are you exAdelphia?

Are you exAdelphia?

Sure are.

Sure are.

See nickdawg! I told you so. TW has a small area of legacy in the South. The majority area is ADELPHIA. And as I told you they had many different systems. That's why there was passport on some of the old systems. And those passport systems are now navigator. They must not be able to convert SARA.

Nothing on 516 in Erie, PA. When was it added in Cleveland?

I don't think those 500-series channels have been added yet in the former Adelphia areas (including Cleveland - nickdawg is on the legacy Akron system).

I just found Primetime on Demand the old way, via the On Demand portal on channel 1.

OK, near as I can figure:

"Legacy" TWC (pre-merger): Akron, Canton, Warren, Youngstown, Erie (city system only)

Ex-Adelphia: Cleveland/suburbs, western Summit County (Copley/Bath/Richfield/former Northampton Twp.), northern Summit County (Macedonia/Hudson/etc.), Dover/New Philadelphia, Erie (county system only)

Ex-Comcast: Elyria, Mentor

I don't think those 500-series channels have been added yet in the former Adelphia areas (including Cleveland - nickdawg is on the legacy Akron system).

I just found Primetime on Demand the old way, via the On Demand portal on channel 1.

We don't have Channel 1 either?

OK, near as I can figure:

"Legacy" TWC (pre-merger): Akron, Canton, Warren, Youngstown, Erie (city system only)

Ex-Adelphia: Cleveland/suburbs, western Summit County (Copley/Bath/Richfield/former Northampton Twp.), northern Summit County (Macedonia/Hudson/etc.), Dover/New Philadelphia, Erie (county system only)

Ex-Comcast: Elyria, Mentor

Yeah, that's what I kind of thought too but I thought New Philadelphia was a bit closer to the South.

Anyway the point is that TW "legacy" is no where near population wise the size of exAdelphia which is exactly why they are holding up on their HD delivery. And I'll bet this next addition of TW HD will not be on SDV either - If it actually gets here by 4/1.

On, or after, March 15, 2009, the following services will be added to Standard HD: Palladia HD, Discovery HD, USA HD, Sci-Fi HD, and Disney HD.

5 HD channels in all. Current system can handle that, no SDV required. And Palladia HD. What is this, Los Angeles? I can see adding it if we had a high Latino population. If they are so interested in serving minority or people of color why not BETHD? Blacks far outnumber Latinos in this area. And Disney HD. I suppose that's not too bad but I'd have preferred FXHD.

We don't have Channel 1 either?

Where do you get On Demand?

I don't have it on either box on 516 so far. Typically in our area the new channels do show up on both boxes at the same time.

This might apply to you. It's from the TWC website.

Effective on, or after, March 1, 2009, the following services will be added to the Digital line-up as separate On Demand channels in the former Adelphia service area;

Video On Demand Information, HD Showcase On Demand, Local On Demand, Kent State On Demand, Kids On Demand-Preschool, Kids On Demand, Sportskool On Demand, Exercise On Demand, Sports On Demand, Entertainment On Demand, Lifestyle On Demand, News & World On Demand, Cutting Edge On Demand, Primetime On Demand, Music On Demand, TV Guide Network On Demand, Free Movies On Demand, A&E/Biography On Demand, Oxygen On Demand, BBC America On Demand, LifeSkool On Demand, Big Ten Network On Demand SportsTime Ohio On Demand, Big Ten Network On Demand HD, HD Showcase, HD Movies On Demand, Movies On Demand Espanol, International Movies On Demand, Outrageous On Demand, Events On Demand, Movies On Demand Previews, Movies On Demand, Free Movies On Demand, Virtual Video Store Kids, Virtual Video Store Classics, Virtual Video Store Action, Virtual Video Store Comedy, Virtual Video Store Drama, Virtual Video Store Thrillers, Automotive On Demand, Find It On Demand, Movie Trailers On Demand, My Life On Demand, Journey TV On Demand, Spice On Demand, Erotic On Demand, Movies On Demand HD, Movie Feature Channels 1 through 10, HD Movies On Demand, Adult On Demand, Playboy On Demand, Adult On Demand HD, Here TV On Demand, Too Much For TV On Demand, Howard TV On Demand, PhotoShow TV, HBO ON Demand, Cinemax On Demand, Showtime On Demand, TMC On Demand, Starz! On Demand, Events On Demand, Disney On Demand,

Hey Hookbill, do you like F/X?

Would you like F/X in HDTV?

Guess what TWC added!! :p:p

On HD Showcase on Demand, there is now a category for F/X. Currently two episodes of Nip/Tuck are available and two movies. I hope TWC continues adding series to this category. Looks like viewing of Rescue Me just got a huge upgrade.

Thanks to TWC and Scientific Atlanta! :p ;):D:D

Hey Hookbill, do you like F/X?

Would you like F/X in HDTV?

Guess what TWC added!! :p:p

On HD Showcase on Demand, there is now a category for F/X. Currently two episodes of Nip/Tuck are available and two movies. I hope TWC continues adding series to this category. Looks like viewing of Rescue Me just got a huge upgrade.

Thanks to TWC and Scientific Atlanta! :p ;):D:D

WTF, they will show it OD but not regular!

Are they old episodes or current. Since it just started recently I imagine this year.

Just to pick on you it's FX, not F/X you've got Nip/Tuck on the brain.:)

I'm not sure because really I'm not an On Demand person, the wife is. I brought her to it and showed her how it works. I think the way it works now is you go to channel 1 and you access everything from there. I know The Reality Channel is one of them, and there is a bunch more but sorry, I can't tell you exactly what they all are. And since I'm a TiVo person my box doesn't access On Demand, which to me is no lost since I don't use it anyway.
Nick, I was going through the lineup the other day and there were a lot of new On-Demands in the 500's. TW has been advertising to go to channel 1 or channel 555 for VOD. Both work for me (in Solon - I believe Hook and I are on the same system).

Nick, I was going through the lineup the other day and there were a lot of new On-Demands in the 500's. TW has been advertising to go to channel 1 or channel 555 for VOD. Both work for me (in Solon - I believe Hook and I are on the same system).

Yep, but I would have to use my other HD television to watch them and quite honestly I got back dated episodes to catch up on. Where my wife's tv is located at is more of a "casual glancing" as opposed to serious watching area. That's why I stuck her with that mickey mouse SARA box.

She asked me for a DVR once and I said hell no.:D;)

WTF, they will show it OD but not regular!

Are they old episodes or current. Since it just started recently I imagine this year.

Just to pick on you it's FX, not F/X you've got Nip/Tuck on the brain.:)

I feel like TWC almost listened to me last month. We wanted USA, SCIFI and Discovery-and we're getting them. We wanted F/X too, but for whatever reason it's not being added. But at least it's On Demand.

I'm sure F/X or FX has more HD content than Disney :mad:, and definitely has more meaningful content than Palladia(which is a music channel).

I haven't watched the current season, as I die a little inside every time I see the horrible PQ on those channels. :rolleyes: :( But they appear to be the last two episodes. That's how all the On Demand channels recently added work. I hope they do the same with Rescue Me.

I almost feel sorry for calling him Mr. Jass-hole. Almost! :p:p:p

Nick, I was going through the lineup the other day and there were a lot of new On-Demands in the 500's. TW has been advertising to go to channel 1 or channel 555 for VOD. Both work for me (in Solon - I believe Hook and I are on the same system).

That's good news. Once that change is complete, it sounds like you guys are at the top of the list for the upgrades. Maybe you'll get SDV first too.

Yep, but I would have to use my other HD television to watch them and quite honestly I got back dated episodes to catch up on. Where my wife's tv is located at is more of a "casual glancing" as opposed to serious watching area. That's why I stuck her with that mickey mouse SARA box.

She asked me for a DVR once and I said hell no.:D;)

I was thinking wifey would be getting a Tivo for her TV! ;);)

That's good news. Once that change is complete, it sounds like you guys are at the top of the list for the upgrades. Maybe you'll get SDV first too.



I was thinking wifey would be getting a Tivo for her TV! ;);)

Hey man, I love TiVo but I'm not rich!

I just reminded her about the problems and the interface and she said, "Oh yeah, forget it."

That's good news. Once that change is complete, it sounds like you guys are at the top of the list for the upgrades. Maybe you'll get SDV first too.
I wouldn't bet money on it!

I'd probably check VOD more often if its interface wasn't so hokey...It seems to take forever to load and the nested menu system is terrible. Definately not "wife friendly!" Of course, that's SARA that we have here. Maybe Navigator is better?

I wouldn't bet money on it!

I'd probably check VOD more often if its interface wasn't so hokey...It seems to take forever to load and the nested menu system is terrible. Definately not "wife friendly!" Of course, that's SARA that we have here. Maybe Navigator is better?

VOD can be *quirky* on my WOW Cable system. Sometimes it loads immediately, sometimes it takes 30 seconds or so. On a few occasions it won't load at all saying "sorry, service not available at this time, please try your selection later........". I'm guessing that particular VOD stream is temporarily in high demand and the system can't handle that many VOD requests. Just a guess. :cool:

I wouldn't bet money on it!

I'd probably check VOD more often if its interface wasn't so hokey...It seems to take forever to load and the nested menu system is terrible. Definately not "wife friendly!" Of course, that's SARA that we have here. Maybe Navigator is better?

Yeah, SARA sucks and Navigator isn't much better from nickdawgs description. I still think they are planning on making everyone Navigator in order to bring everything together, but I think there is a problem changing SARA to Navigator. SARA on it's own is perfectly capable of doing SDV, but who knows if Passport was? Why did they change from Passport to Navigator? Everyone seems to hate it.

VOD can be *quirky* on my WOW Cable system. Sometimes it loads immediately, sometimes it takes 30 seconds or so. On a few occasions it won't load at all saying "sorry, service not available at this time, please try your selection later........". I'm guessing that particular VOD stream is temporarily in high demand and the system can't handle that many VOD requests. Just a guess. :cool:

I'll bet that depends on how busy the system is. I've seen it before and it can be agonizingly slow.

Hey man, I love TiVo but I'm not rich!

I just reminded her about the problems and the interface and she said, "Oh yeah, forget it."

I wouldn't bet money on it!

No, I meant you'd be dumping the Tivo on the wife in favor of the SA box that gets VOD! ;);)

I'd probably check VOD more often if its interface wasn't so hokey...It seems to take forever to load and the nested menu system is terrible. Definately not "wife friendly!" Of course, that's SARA that we have here. Maybe Navigator is better?

It depends. MDN on the 8300HD works almost flawlessly. Only once or twice does an error message come up. Last time that happened, I fixed it by changing the channel and changing right back. ODN on the 4250HD is hit or miss. Sometimes the lists doesn't update when channels are added. The ODN interface in general is slower and clunkier than MDN. I'd even say Navigator for OCAP(ODN) is worse than SARA and Passport.

I think it will get better when everything is not on one single channel anymore. When it's broken down by themes, it's easier to find shows.

Yeah, SARA sucks and Navigator isn't much better from nickdawgs description. I still think they are planning on making everyone Navigator in order to bring everything together, but I think there is a problem changing SARA to Navigator. SARA on it's own is perfectly capable of doing SDV, but who knows if Passport was? Why did they change from Passport to Navigator? Everyone seems to hate it.

Passport was dumped because of SDV. TWC just doesn't want to use it anymore for whatever reasons. I still think Navigator is a mistake, especially on OCAP boxes, where it sucks. They could have easily switched all the Passport boxes to SARA. But no, they want their own thing, for other crap like Start Over.

Passport was dumped because of SDV. TWC just doesn't want to use it anymore for whatever reasons. I still think Navigator is a mistake, especially on OCAP boxes, where it sucks. They could have easily switched all the Passport boxes to SARA. But no, they want their own thing, for other crap like Start Over.

I don't know,nickdawg. I kind of think that SA had a say in all this because it's not just TW it seems that everyone with a SA box and SDV have Navigator.

Passport was dumped because of SDV. TWC just doesn't want to use it anymore for whatever reasons. I still think Navigator is a mistake, especially on OCAP boxes, where it sucks. They could have easily switched all the Passport boxes to SARA. But no, they want their own thing, for other crap like Start Over.


That may have been part of the reason, but Passport could have been patched. The real reason is that TWC did not write Passport and had to pay royalties for it to another company. They own Navigator and pay no royalties. It is always about the money.

That may have been part of the reason, but Passport could have been patched. The real reason is that TWC did not write Passport and had to pay royalties for it to another company. They own Navigator and pay no royalties. It is always about the money.

Well not only that, but for a number of other reasons. They weren't the only cableco running Passport. Anytime they wanted changes they had to wait in line for Pioneer/Aptiv to work on them and release them. And then of course there's the money aspect. With Navigator, TWC has full control over it and also something to differentiate themselves with competitors.

Both Passport and SARA have been capable of SDV. But the issues stated above are the exact reason why TWC wants to make the switch to Navigator since it will put them in 100% control of their systems. The set-top software and interface is and will become a large factor in the cable tv experience over time and TWC is making sure they can hit the ground running so-to-speak with Navigator.

And I dunno why you keep saying, hookbill, that a SARA to Navigator switch is impossible. Then why do I see that particular application sitting on my box here? Would be kinda stupid just to be there to look pretty and not have something in mind for it. My guess is they are working out the kinks and bugs involved with getting the SARA equipment seamlessly converted to Navigator. You have to remember that they also have to get the user data written to the box by SARA like season recording info, channel favorites, upcoming recordings, etc. converted over into data that Navigator can read or in some way program Navigator to be able to read it. They can't just say 'Oh well. Wipe it. Start fresh. Live with it.'

And I dunno why you keep saying, hookbill, that a SARA to Navigator switch is impossible. Then why do I see that particular application sitting on my box here? Would be kinda stupid just to be there to look pretty and not have something in mind for it. My guess is they are working out the kinks and bugs involved with getting the SARA equipment seamlessly converted to Navigator. You have to remember that they also have to get the user data written to the box by SARA like season recording info, channel favorites, upcoming recordings, etc. converted over into data that Navigator can read or in some way program Navigator to be able to read it. They can't just say 'Oh well. Wipe it. Start fresh. Live with it.'

I was under the impression that you were in TW Native and I understand about the statement in your box, but I am telling you that did not occure due to a switch. You yourself said it's been Navigator since day one. I stand by what I said.

Fine me an example, anywhere of somebody who HAD SARA (you didn't) and had it switched over. You never saw SARA on your system since day 1.

That is true, but still the case is WHY would it be there then? Obviously TWC has something in mind with it or else it wouldn't be there. See what I'm driving at here?

Considering how many customers TWC has in the ex-Adelphia/Comcast areas and then the large majority there still running on SARA afaik, it'd be really stupid to try and do door-to-door box swapouts with new OCAP boxes. Add in the fact that they ARE going to move every single person to Navigator as that has been their plan all along. Case-in-point they are gonna have to find some way to switch SARA boxes seamlessly to Navigator without a swapout and I think that is exactly what they are working on. Granted it may only be in employee testing at this point in time.

That is true, but still the case is WHY would it be there then? Obviously TWC has something in mind with it or else it wouldn't be there. See what I'm driving at here?

Considering how many customers TWC has in the ex-Adelphia/Comcast areas and then the large majority there still running on SARA afaik, it'd be really stupid to try and do door-to-door box swapouts with new OCAP boxes. Add in the fact that they ARE going to move every single person to Navigator as that has been their plan all along. Case-in-point they are gonna have to find some way to switch SARA boxes seamlessly to Navigator without a swapout and I think that is exactly what they are working on. Granted it may only be in employee testing at this point in time.

Everything you say makes perfect sense. I think the problem is with existing SA 8300's that do not have that ability.

Now the 42500 may be capable, that came later. I don't know. But as you say they can't switch everybody out.

I think the comment made previously about money and Navigator is extremely interesting. If TW owns Navigator software then yes they would absolutely want a total switch. My argument is: If it's that easy to do, why haven't they done it. I point out to you Jascoe's statement about incompatible systems. IMHO, and that's key, I think it's a problem with SARA.

Now if I'm correct or not I don't know. My headend person doesn't seem to know the TW plan and she flat out states SARA can do SDV. Yet they have done no testing that I can see and they have not activated SDV in ex Adelphia area.

I could be flat out wrong on all of this, I'm speculating. It is interesting that your SA 8300 HDC has the statement you found. But it really doesn't mean that they can just switch it over that easy.

I'll ask my headend person on Monday. Hopefully she will give me a direct answer, the question will be "Can SARA be switched out to Navigator?"

Any TiVo people out there getting this? My headend person says she was able to get it on their TiVo but I seem to be having issues. One of my TiVo's acknowledges the existance of the channel, the other is not even seeing it. I've done guided set ups but that didn't help. My headend person is still working on it, probably something in the stream again.

If I never get it doesn't matter. I'll never look at it anyway.


I don't get it either even re-ran guided setup. Don't care about this channel but I will complain about it so when those other channels (HD) come in that I will care about it might get straightened out a little sooner.

I don't get it either even re-ran guided setup. Don't care about this channel but I will complain about it so when those other channels (HD) come in that I will care about it might get straightened out a little sooner.

Thanks. I will let her know another tivo person can't receive it either.

What's up with that?

Sorry to inturupt Pay TV & Cable Chat! ;)

What's up with that?

Sorry to inturupt Pay TV & Cable Chat! ;)
Hey. We like you OTA people. Place wouldn't be the same without you.:)

Hey. We like you OTA people. Place wouldn't be the same without you.:)

Aww, what about OTA people from hundreds of miles away? :D

- Trip

Hey. We like you OTA people. Place wouldn't be the same without you.:)

YTY, :) I'd answer my own questions but 43's website won't light up on my dialup this evening!

Just a blank screen, with a new logo on 43-2 for THIS!

Columbus gets Retro TV on their subs & all we get is another year of the E-Check Program! :(

From OMW....

Cleveland TV station has ended the longest-running video slide apologizing for missing programming in TV history.

When "The Tube Music Network" shut down operations on October 1, 2007, Raycom Media's WUAB/43 in the Cleveland market put up an electronic slide on digital subchannel 43.2 - telling viewers that the network had been pulled off the air, and asking them to refrain from calling either the station or their local cable operator.

That slide appeared on WUAB-DT/43.2 for over a year and four months, until finally coming down this week.

In its place is a new banner - with the legend "This Cleveland".

"This", as reported here earlier, is "This TV" - the MGM-backed programming service that is coming to WUAB and other Raycom stations soon in a nationwide deal between the "diginet" channel and the Alabama-based owner of WUAB and CBS affiliate WOIO/19.

No, we don't know when the subchannel will light up with actual programming, but we'd put a bet on it happening fairly soon.

What will you see on "This TV"? The channel is mainly programmed with MGM-owned movies of some vintage, along with a couple of sitcoms (we recall seeing "Mr. Ed" on the schedule).

We haven't broken out the "MGM Movie List", but we suspect you'll see the studio's movies with rights that haven't previously been sold to another broadcaster or cable/satellite outlet. Any "big name" MGM movies are probably in someone else's library.

But it's another "different" programming choice for area digital TV viewers.

We don't know for sure, but we suspect that sometime after "This TV" lights up on 43.2, it'll show up somewhere in the Time Warner Cable digital cable lineup...probably up there around where WOIO's "WeatherNow" is in the 370s.

We seem to recall that TWC did indeed carry "The Tube", but at some point decided it didn't want to waste even digital cable bandwidth for a message that the service had ended...

Aww, what about OTA people from hundreds of miles away? :D

- Trip

Trip, I like anybody who takes a shot at nickdawg.;)

Trip, I like anybody who takes a shot at nickdawg.;)

Went back a few pages I was surprised that Trip hadn't already posted this, but I could be wrong, I thought the Tube still had their slide on yesterday.

Now where is Retro TV??

Went back a few pages I was surprised that Trip hadn't already posted this, but I could be wrong, I thought the Tube still had their slide on yesterday.

I actually didn't know. I figured there'd be posts here when it showed up. :D

EDIT: Unless you meant I didn't post that it'd be on at all. Which I thought someone else had, or I had, or there was otherwise information on it somewhere around here. I knew it was coming, didn't know there was a slide up.

- Trip

Went back a few pages I was surprised that Trip hadn't already posted this, but I could be wrong, I thought the Tube still had their slide on yesterday.

Now where is Retro TV??

You know I remember hearing something about this tv or something like that a few days ago. Don't know who was talking about it. I may have read it on OMW.

They can't just say 'Oh well. Wipe it. Start fresh. Live with it.'

OH YES THEY CAN!!

If that is what's standing in the way of more HD channels, then I want to meet TWC in a dark alley! :mad::mad::mad:

When we got the Navigator, they gave the disclaimer legal notice that you ***MAY*** lose your settings and recordings. I didn't lose any recordings, but some people may have lost it.

BFD = Big F**king Deal.

Is it the end of the world to lose your DVR shows? No. You'll live. And when I hear s**t like favorite channels, I really say BFD.

Then if TWC took your advice and actually did start with a clean slate, I'm sure a large majority of the NEO customer base would love to meet YOU in a dark alley. :D

Fact is, it's technology. There are always problems whether they are critical or just tiny bugs. It's why they have disclaimers like that. But it doesn't mean they aren't attempting to make it a clean transition with everything intact. They just can't account for EVERY possible scenario. Ever beta tested software before? Bingo. But in TWC's case, they can only do very limited beta tests through employees and hope for the best after that.

Now if you would quit reading between the lines and taking things out of context, I said this is one of MANY reasons that is holding them back from moving things forward. Retaining customer data is just a small factor in many that is preventing them from moving SARA equipment to Navigator and then you have the situation of getting the cable plants in check, headends matched up, etc..

Nickdawg: They are working on it. Give them time for chrissakes. Rome wasn't built in a day you know?

You know nickdawg I like you. I enjoy our banter but when you make comments like that it makes you look selfish. I don't think you really are that way. I think you let your emotions get out.

I understand how you feel but your just going to have to wait. It will happen. Hey we are going to have some cool HDchannels soon. The SDV thing may take a bit.

Fell sounds about right.:)

You know nickdawg I like you. I enjoy our banter but when you make comments like that it makes you look selfish. I don't think you really are that way. I think you let your emotions get out.

I understand how you feel but your just going to have to wait. It will happen. Hey we are going to have some cool HDchannels soon. The SDV thing may take a bit.

Fell sounds about right.:)

Oh yeah, I'm "selfish" because I don't give a rat's ass about favorite channel settings. Like it is so f**king hard to reprogram that! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Like I said, when they did it here, they told us ahead of time to save anything you want from DVR to VHS. If the only way I could get more HD channels was to nuke every recording on my DVR, I'd push the button, pull the plug, flip the switch myself. It is a small, tiny, meaningless price to pay for something better.

And I'm insulted that comment is coming from you of all people. The self-proclaimed "8300 hater". You of all people should be at the head of the line to nuke those boxes. "Shoulda had a Tivo" :p:p:p:p:p

"Cool HD channels"? Oh yeah, I'm gonna have warm fuzzy thoughts about the JASS-HOLE when I'm watching Disney and Palladia in HD. Yippee!!!!

Maybe Hanna Montana will be , like, in HD! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nickdawg: They are working on it. Give them time for chrissakes. Rome wasn't built in a day you know?

"give them time"? I've given them time. They've had total control over NE Ohio for almost THREE YEARS now. There's no excuse it took until 2008 to standardize the channel lineup. That should have been accomplished in early 2007.

Then, around the fall of 2007 when D* began lighting up 4 or 5 HD channels a week, the ground work for SDV should have began. Navigator should have been implemented in late 2007/earlier 2008. SDV should have began in the Navigator areas in early 2008. SARA customers hould have had their boxes totally nuked and replaced with Navigator in summer 2008. SDV in ex-Adelphia areas by fall 2008. Early 2009: Deployment of 25 new HD channels in NE Ohio, across all systems.

See, that's the problem. Like any big coroporation, there's too much bureaucracy and horses..t behind the scenes. That's why things suck. And on top of that, we have people like the JASS-HOLE who want to please all of the people all of the time, even if it means pissing off people in the process. What a Bass-Ackwards philosophy.

TWC should merge with Congress, both want to bend over backwards to cater to the lowest of the low. Doesn't matter what you do, 100% of the people will never be ready for any change.

Oh yeah, I'm "selfish" because I don't give a rat's ass about favorite channel settings. Like it is so f**king hard to reprogram that! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

SLike I said, when they did it here, they told us ahead of time to save anything you want from DVR to VHS. If the only way I could get more HD channels was to nuke every recording on my DVR, I'd push the button, pull the plug, flip the switch myself. It is a small, tiny, meaningless price to pay for something better.

And I'm insulted that comment is coming from you of all people. The self-proclaimed "8300 hater". You of all people should be at the head of the line to nuke those boxes. "Shoulda had a Tivo" :p:p:p:p:p

"Cool HD channels"? Oh yeah, I'm gonna have warm fuzzy thoughts about the JASS-HOLE when I'm watching Disney and Palladia in HD. Yippee!!!!

Maybe Hanna Montana will be , like, in HD! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I apologize. I tried my best to word that so you did not feel that way.

I am talking about people loosing up to a month of programs. Favorites? I agree that is unimportant.

I am talking about people loosing up to a month of programs. Favorites? I agree that is unimportant.

Exactly. Hence my 'reading between the lines'/'taking things out of context' comment.

Yeah. Favorite channels? Meh. Set recordings and series recordings? Not detrimental. But the actual recorded programming already on the box? Losing that is not gonna fly. #1: With the capacities of these boxes, your talking a large number of VHS tapes and a LONG wait time for it all to record and manpower at that. Not even to mention HD recordings which are stuck on the box no matter what attempt you make.

But like stated: This is exactly what TWC is trying to take care of is getting this stuff seamlessly transferred. But with any large profile company, they have to cover their ass.

I apologize. I tried my best to word that so you did not feel that way.

I am talking about people loosing up to a month of programs. Favorites? I agree that is unimportant.

I see. But it seems odd you took that position. See, maybe it's not "always nickdawg" starting the commotion. :p

Exactly. Hence my 'reading between the lines'/'taking things out of context' comment.

Yeah. Favorite channels? Meh. Set recordings and series recordings? Not detrimental. But the actual recorded programming already on the box? Losing that is not gonna fly. #1: With the capacities of these boxes, your talking a large number of VHS tapes and a LONG wait time for it all to record and manpower at that. Not even to mention HD recordings which are stuck on the box no matter what attempt you make.

But like stated: This is exactly what TWC is trying to take care of is getting this stuff seamlessly transferred. But with any large profile company, they have to cover their ass.

THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS!

I have two HD movies as well as the last three episodes of "In Plain Sight" from USA HD last August still saved. If I had to permanently lose those shows forever in order to get new HD channels, it would be no contest. I'd manually delete the shows myself it they asked me to!

If this is the true issue, I think it is a sad, sad, sad social commentary about the state of America that people are chained by the ankles to their TV. Sure, I like my shows, but I'm not gonna start a war over losing a few recordings.

I actually didn't know. I figured there'd be posts here when it showed up. :D

EDIT: Unless you meant I didn't post that it'd be on at all. Which I thought someone else had, or I had, or there was otherwise information on it somewhere around here. I knew it was coming, didn't know there was a slide up.

- Trip

Ah Trip these threads go so fast with Cable banter, :) I only looked as far back as Thursday morning, As stated in the OMW article that I'm getting the banner with no activity. Must be something new since unknown what the content is. You mean we are getting something that Columbus & Cincy don't already have?

Ah Trip these threads go so fast with Cable banter, :) I only looked as far back as Thursday morning, As stated in the OMW article that I'm getting the banner with no activity. Must be something new since unknown what the content is. You mean we are getting something that Columbus & Cincy don't already have?

Cinci already has This via WXIX-DT 19-2.

But Columbus doesn't have it yet. :D

- Trip

VOD can be *quirky* on my WOW Cable system. Sometimes it loads immediately, sometimes it takes 30 seconds or so. On a few occasions it won't load at all saying "sorry, service not available at this time, please try your selection later........". I'm guessing that particular VOD stream is temporarily in high demand and the system can't handle that many VOD requests. Just a guess. :cool:

I'm thinking there's something more on a lower level with VOD than just the viewer load. A month or two ago, I tried over several hours to start a VOD of Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and kept getting the "service not available" message. Pretty sure this movie wasn't in high demand... Other VOD attempts also failed. Restarting the box didn't help. A day or two later, it came up lightning-quick.

mike

I'm thinking there's something more on a lower level with VOD than just the viewer load. A month or two ago, I tried over several hours to start a VOD of Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and kept getting the "service not available" message. Pretty sure this movie wasn't in high demand... Other VOD attempts also failed. Restarting the box didn't help. A day or two later, it came up lightning-quick.

mike

Quite possible. Maybe the entire VOD system or that VOD assigned ch was over loaded with requests. :confused:

But it sure is nice the 90% of the time it works. ;)

What's up with that?

Sorry to inturupt Pay TV & Cable Chat! ;)

Don't kid yourself, we all *pay* for OTA. Oh god do we PAY! :D

The way the VOD system works is there are a limited selection of QAM frequencies delegated to the VOD channels per node (or individual headend. I forget.). Now those QAM's are much less in count than the available VOD channels given. Much like SDV, it relies on the fact that not everyone is going to be watching every known channel simultaneously. The primary difference between SDV and VOD though is there is only one allowed viewer per running VOD feed. And while not related to the subject, VOD acts just as if they had a VHS deck at the headend feeding to you through the cable system and your remote had a direct line back to control the tape playback. Pretty much all it is, but in digital and with a specialized VOD playback server.

Long story made short, accessibility depends completely on how many in your are are viewing other VOD programming at that moment. If all those QAM's are full, you get the equivalent of an access denied message until a slot opens up.

I think that 43-2 providing a unique channel, kind of like cables TV Land is exactly what they should use the sub stations for, create more channels like on cable. While I'm not a big fan of "retro" television, many are. I'll look forward to seeing on how this devlops.

And OK, Bismark. One shot off the bow on the cable talk is cool. Two is tolerable. But a third and you may be starting another OTA vs Cable war.

Anyone notice that satellite people never cause any trouble?:)

Cinci already has This via WXIX-DT 19-2.

But Columbus doesn't have it yet. :D

- Trip
Are you saying "This TV" is live on the air on WXIX-DT2, or just a slide like WUAB?

Are you saying "This TV" is live on the air on WXIX-DT2, or just a slide like WUAB?

It's live on the air.

- Trip

Are you saying "This TV" is live on the air on WXIX-DT2, or just a slide like WUAB?

It's live on the air.

- Trip
As of 11am, I'm not seeing any programming, just an orange bar across the bottom of the screen with the "This TV" logo and WUAB 43.2. The rest of the screen is black. Were they running some programming earlier?

As of 11am, I'm not seeing any programming, just an orange bar across the bottom of the screen with the "This TV" logo and WUAB 43.2. The rest of the screen is black. Were they running some programming earlier?

Reread what I was responding to. WXIX is running This, WUAB is still on the slide. :)

- Trip

Reread what I was responding to. WXIX is running This, WUAB is still on the slide. :)

- Trip
:o

I see. But it seems odd you took that position. See, maybe it's not "always nickdawg" starting the commotion. :p


In the words of Richard Nixon:eek: "Let me be perfectly clear." It's a lot easier to explain when I'm typing on a computer as opposed to my blackberry.

I'm not defending the SA 8300, and quite honestly I'd be surprised if that thing could record a months worth of programming successfully (that's with a 1 month lag time). I'm saying that if I lost my recordings of all my shows I made and I had one of those so called DVR's, I'd be pretty darn upset.

Now Vchat mentioned transfer to VHS, but the reality is you can transfer to a recordable DVD, although the pq will look like crap and your chance of a true successful transfer is 50/50. I did this whenever I took an SA 8300 back (3 times, remember):) and I found out that sometimes in the middle of the show the voice track went to what I had on live television for no reason.

In this case I just don't think "the end justify's the means" and I say the only reason you feel that way is because you do not record the majority of your programs, just ones where there are conflicts.

Reread what I was responding to. WXIX is running This, WUAB is still on the slide. :)

- Trip

I thought we were talking about 43.2. Isn't that WBNX?:confused::confused:

I thought we were talking about 43.2. Isn't that WBNX?:confused::confused:
I was talking about WUAB 43.2. Trip was talking about WXIX (in his area) which is also getting This TV. WBNX is 55.1.

... I think.

I was talking about WUAB 43.2. Trip was talking about WXIX (in his area) which is also getting This TV. WBNX is 55.1.

... I think.

WXIX isn't in my area, but the rest of that sentence is right. :D

- Trip

I was talking about WUAB 43.2. Trip was talking about WXIX (in his area) which is also getting This TV. WBNX is 55.1.

... I think.

I meant WUAB. It was some station that began with a "W".

Last night Armstrong in Medina added HGTV-HD and Food-HD to the HD lineup. This brings the total number up to 39 HD channels. All we need is Weather and Speed and I'll be happy!

Well, you finally got your wish. Your post was from 5/31/08, but last night I noticed that Armstrong added Speed-HD.

And the hits keep on coming!

Speaking of coming, the only one I'm jonesing for now is Big-10! I wish they could just come to an agreement on that one. Anybody know if Big-10 is still holding their draconian demands over carriers' heads? I thought it might stop once Comcast came to an agreement with them last year, and it sounded like there were some compromises made.

Well, you finally got your wish. Your post was from 5/31/08, but last night I noticed that Armstrong added Speed-HD.

And the hits keep on coming!

Speaking of coming, the only one I'm jonesing for now is Big-10! I wish they could just come to an agreement on that one. Anybody know if Big-10 is still holding their draconian demands over carriers' heads? I thought it might stop once Comcast came to an agreement with them last year, and it sounded like there were some compromises made.

You bastard! :D

I'll trade you my Big-10 HD for your SPEED-HD!

I WANT SPEED HD

Speaking of coming, the only one I'm jonesing for now is Big-10! I wish they could just come to an agreement on that one. Anybody know if Big-10 is still holding their draconian demands over carriers' heads? I thought it might stop once Comcast came to an agreement with them last year, and it sounded like there were some compromises made.

That must be just over your head. We've had Big 10 HD at TW for sometime now.

I think it started in September 2007. Or this past September. I never watch so I don't remember.

You bastard! :D

I'll trade you my Big-10 HD for your SPEED-HD!

I WANT SPEED HD

I want SPEED dropped. I removed it from my channel list.:p If they gave it in HD I say waste of bandwith.

I want SPEED dropped. I removed it from my channel list.:p If they gave it in HD I say waste of bandwith.

.....as is the MLB ch. ;)

Speaking of coming, the only one I'm jonesing for now is Big-10! I wish they could just come to an agreement on that one. Anybody know if Big-10 is still holding their draconian demands over carriers' heads? I thought it might stop once Comcast came to an agreement with them last year, and it sounded like there were some compromises made.

I'll trade you Big Ten HD for the Paint Drying HD channel or QVC HD. At least Hookbill's wife would like QVC and Paint Drying HD would be HD all the time, unlike Big Ten.

Seriously. Outside of game days, that channel is equivalent to ESPN Classic. I remember one day seeing a game from 2000 on BTN HD, and it had their damn bright blue patterned sidebars on the screen:eek:.

Now I don't know about you, but to me that made the channel an even bigger waste. Who wants to watch a show with bright, pattern bars on the side? I prefer plain black bars on the sied, that are not distracting.

My verdict on this channel: If you have bandwidth to burn, add it! If you're limited in bandwidth, only carry it during live games on the Bonus channel (437). The channel currently occupied by BTN would be better used for F/X.

You bastard! :D



Wow, I didn't know my wife was on here! :p

.....as is the MLB ch. ;)

Blasphemy!!!!! But point taken.:)

Now (and I know nickdawgs going to get fired up on this) I would like to see MLB network in HD. They are just starting the World Baseball Classic March 3 (I think) and they have "greatest games." The other day I had the pleasure of watching a 2 year old game between the Dodgers and Padres. Dodgers down 4-0 came back and tied it. Padres go 5-4, Dodgers Tie. T'hen Padres are up by 4 with their closer in the ninth. 4 times in a row, whack whack whack whack consecutive home runs. Tied in the 10th. Bottom of the 10th with one on Nomar Garciaparra hits a 2 run walk off.

I started jumping up and down, it didn't matter that the game was 2 years old. My birds were cheering! They do that when I get excited. Whistiling and yelling - or was that the surround - nope that was off. Anyway that's what I would like to see.



Now that's a friggin' ball game.

What really needs to be done now and maybe someone can put a bug in Jasco's or Fry's ear about this is that all these channels that constantly go 'off air' for large chunks of time should be put on SDV ASAP to cut back on bandwidth usage. Since obviously no one is watching them during that time, just turn em off.

Wow, I didn't know my wife was on here! :p

HA! :D:cool::D

I'm coming over to your house for F1 in HD! Season opener is Sunday March 29th in Australia. So expect me around 4 am that Sunday morning.

Shall I bring donuts??

Now I don't know about you, but to me that made the channel an even bigger waste. Who wants to watch a show with bright, pattern bars on the side? I prefer plain black bars on the sied, that are not distracting.


For me it's about the content and not necessarily the presentation. I couldn't give two rat's hineys for Weather, QVC, USA, TBS, TNT, and several others because I just don't watch them. Actualy, I wouldn't even care if Big-10 was added in analog only. I just want to be able to watch the games of the various sports, as I'm a huge Big-10 fan.

I certainly understand all the debate on here about the technical aspects of the channels and which ones look better or worse in HD. This is, after all, AVS Forum where all of us geeks hang out, and the nature of the forum is about our beloved high-tech gear. But it bugs me sometimes how some people attach other's viewpoints about what channel is worth more simply by the nature of what is being shown and not HOW it's shown. I'm not picking on you at all (actually, I found your post interesting, because I've never been able to watch Big-10 to know how much HD they offer). I'm just making a general statement overall that to me value is completely in the eye of the beholder.

HA! :D:cool::D

I'm coming over to your house for F1 in HD! Season opener is Sunday March 29th in Australia. So expect me around 4 am that Sunday morning.

Shall I bring donuts??

Sounds good to me! Too bad Zanardi's not still racing. Now those are donuts I wouldn't mind seeing in HD!

But I like the ones with chocolate icing and creme filling, too. :D

What it boils down to is really program content and what you like vs. what I like and Toby10 hit the nail on the head.

Even though I'm not a race fan I do understand why race fans would want Speed in HD. It's "interesting" to glance at even from my perspective. But I'm not getting into it. I don't even consider it a sport, but hey, everyone else does so my opinion doesn't mean diddly.

I do find some things interesting to look at in HD that are sports I don't follow. I watched downhill snow skiing last week. And women's beach volley ball. I enjoy that.;)

Blasphemy!!!!! But point taken.:)

Now (and I know nickdawgs going to get fired up on this) I would like to see MLB network in HD. .

Well, when your area has SDV, then "you can has MLB HD"! :p:p:p

I think that 43-2 providing a unique channel, kind of like cables TV Land is exactly what they should use the sub stations for, create more channels like on cable. While I'm not a big fan of "retro" television, many are. I'll look forward to seeing on how this devlops.

And OK, Bismark. One shot off the bow on the cable talk is cool. Two is tolerable. But a third and you may be starting another OTA vs Cable war.

Anyone notice that satellite people never cause any trouble?:)

Ah, don't need 100 channels, but since I don't have a secondary metro like most of you have access to Akron & Y-Town, it's nice to have a bit more than 3, 5, & 8 since DTV is suppose to be better & wonderful! :)

Remember the Northeast viewing area is pretty much ignored, & Erie's stations are lower power & don't reach here as a secondary market.

Alright I'll quit my whining & pop in a DVD. :D

For me it's about the content and not necessarily the presentation. I couldn't give two rat's hineys for Weather, QVC, USA, TBS, TNT, and several others because I just don't watch them. Actualy, I wouldn't even care if Big-10 was added in analog only. I just want to be able to watch the games of the various sports, as I'm a huge Big-10 fan.

I certainly understand all the debate on here about the technical aspects of the channels and which ones look better or worse in HD. This is, after all, AVS Forum where all of us geeks hang out, and the nature of the forum is about our beloved high-tech gear. But it bugs me sometimes how some people attach other's viewpoints about what channel is worth more simply by the nature of what is being shown and not HOW it's shown. I'm not picking on you at all (actually, I found your post interesting, because I've never been able to watch Big-10 to know how much HD they offer). I'm just making a general statement overall that to me value is completely in the eye of the beholder.

For me, it's all about content and presentation when HD is added. Right now we have 10 national HD channels, 7 of them stretch SD content. Many show little HD content, or even content worth watching(can anyone say HGTV HD or Discovery HDT?). At the same time, there are channels out there with tons of HD content: USA HD, F/X HD, Spike TV HD, National Geographic HD, and so on. USA HD and F/X HD both have all HD original programming(some of the best on TV), repeats of other shows in HD and movies. Plus they keep SD material in its original aspect ratio. That counts too, as channels like TNT and TBS are WORTHLESS when SD programming is stretched. Spike TV has UFC, plus movies and repeats of CSI. In HD. Plus, they also respect OAR. National Geographic also presents most of its content in HD.

Reread what I was responding to. WXIX is running This, WUAB is still on the slide. :)

- Trip

If it's running, why the speculation on OMW on what the programming may be?

If it's running, why the speculation on OMW on what the programming may be?

What speculation?

- Trip

What it boils down to is really program content and what you like vs. what I like and Toby10 hit the nail on the head.

Even though I'm not a race fan I do understand why race fans would want Speed in HD. It's "interesting" to glance at even from my perspective. But I'm not getting into it. I don't even consider it a sport, but hey, everyone else does so my opinion doesn't mean diddly.

I do find some things interesting to look at in HD that are sports I don't follow. I watched downhill snow skiing last week. And women's beach volley ball. I enjoy that.;)

Hey Hook, I always say about NASCAR: Go watch traffic!! If you want to see it in HD, just watch FOX 8's HD traffic cam. Same thing!! :p:p:p:p

I love Beach Volleyball. One of the best events of the Olympics. Until it was the men's turn!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Nickdawg stole my signature!!!!!

:mad:

Nickdawg stole my signature!!!!!

:mad:

:p:p:p:p:p

Hey Hook, I always say about NASCAR: Go watch traffic!! If you want to see it in HD, just watch FOX 8's HD traffic cam. Same thing!! :p:p:p:p

I love Beach Volleyball. One of the best events of the Olympics. Until it was the men's turn!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

NASCAR I agree, I don't watch it. F1, Indy, GP, GTP, SCCA is another story. ;)

NASCAR I agree, I don't watch it. F1, Indy, GP, GTP, SCCA is another story. ;)

F1=Formula 1, Indy, GP Those I know. The other two, I have no idea.

I like demolition derby and bumper cars.:D Don't want them in HD, however.

Although I'm not into it I kind of like watching motorcycle racing. It's like Roller Derby on Motorcycles. Those things don't have breaks and they actually try to knock each other down. I've met one or two of the riders and they are definitely insane.

Now that would be fun to watch in HD. I'll bet that's on Speed.

Although I'm not into it I kind of like watching motorcycle racing. It's like Roller Derby on Motorcycles. Those things don't have breaks and they actually try to knock each other down. I've met one or two of the riders and they are definitely insane.

Now that would be fun to watch in HD. I'll bet that's on Speed.

Oh yeah, and quite popular. I have a sport bike myself, but those guys racing are indeed NUTZ! In Superbike Races they take turns at 100+ mph, leaning the bike WAY over, with their knee just touching the pavement, and a competitor three inches away along side of them. :eek:

One of your sneakers (not a pair, a single sneaker) has more road contact surface area than both of their bike tires combined!

Although I'm not into it I kind of like watching motorcycle racing. It's like Roller Derby on Motorcycles. Those things don't have breaks and they actually try to knock each other down. I've met one or two of the riders and they are definitely insane.

Now that would be fun to watch in HD. I'll bet that's on Speed.

Me too!! I also like to watch motocross when that's on in the summer. Usually on ABC or ESPN during the X Games. And it does look fantastic in HD.

I like Universal HD as they show some replays of the summer Dew Tour(which I didn't get to see the USA parts in HD) and they currently show the winter events.

On HD On Demand, there is a category called "F/X" that has two episodes of Nip/Tuck and two movies. I'm assuming once Rescue Me starts, they'll post episodes to that channel. Which works for me, I don't have to worry about hard drive space recording it or conflicts watching it live, depending what day the show is on.

And I was right: the audio on WOIO is garbage. But Hookbill was right that CBS has good digital audio. There is an episode of Survivor on HD On Demand. First of all, the picture quality is far superior to WOIO. I've seen it on WOIO and didn't think much of it. When I saw it on HD OD, I was like "Holy Crap!". Also, the audio sounds better too. At the same volume level, it would sound awful on WOIO. Between commercials and even in the show, there would be abrasive "blasts" of sound. But on demand, it sounded balanced and professional. But then again, we are talking WOIO :rolleyes:.

Also, what the F--K is wrong with WBNX? They sound worse than WOIO. The bass is so f'ing bloated it is obnoxious. Everything is set, every channel sounds fine. But as I was watching Drew Carey, the opening theme and even the damn commercials sounded like I was in a night club. Something is not right, I can hear rumbling from the sub when the people are talking:confused:. Then I leave the room and I hear a horrible noise, like a train or a car with a bad audio system. I come back in the room and it's the beginning of Jericho in HD. Sounds like ass too! :mad: I have this weeks episode fo Supernatural, I'll have to listen to that too. But I haven't even watched that one lately either, due to the crappy sound.

WBNX has improved their sound a great deal since they went 5.1, but not as good as it should be. With WKYC they have good sound accept with Law & Order. They don't make good use of rear channels. WJW is good specially 24. I thin WEWS can be a bit week on the rear speakers.

WBNX has improved their sound a great deal since they went 5.1, but not as good as it should be. With WKYC they have good sound accept with Law & Order. They don't make good use of rear channels. WJW is good specially 24. I thin WEWS can be a bit week on the rear speakers.

WKYC and WEWS are perfect for me. ABC and NBC HD primetime sound the best to me. I have issues with WJW too, they're too loud. Watching Hell's Kitchen, I've switched to 2 Channel only just to kill the rears, too much BS noise coming out the back. I hate that.

WKYC and WEWS are perfect for me. ABC and NBC HD primetime sound the best to me. I have issues with WJW too, they're too loud. Watching Hell's Kitchen, I've switched to 2 Channel only just to kill the rears, too much BS noise coming out the back. I hate that.


Actually I agree with you about the volume. But I prefer it loud. I like the rear speakers and that volume let's you hear the distinctive separation of the back speakers. Hells Kitchen is loud by design to empathize Ramsey's yelling. :)

Actually I agree with you about the volume. But I prefer it loud. I like the rear speakers and that volume let's you hear the distinctive separation of the back speakers. Hells Kitchen is loud by design to empathize Ramsey's yelling. :)

I disagree about Hells Kitchen because it is not HD. It is not supposed to be surround sound. FOX upconverts all SD programming to surround on their digital feed. FG and American Dad on Sundays sound bad too because of the upconversion. That's why I usually tape them on 8 instead, so I can have the 2 channel digital audio.

I don't like upconvert. I prefer to have it in the original format.

I disagree about Hells Kitchen because it is not HD. It is not supposed to be surround sound. FOX upconverts all SD programming to surround on their digital feed. FG and American Dad on Sundays sound bad too because of the upconversion. That's why I usually tape them on 8 instead, so I can have the 2 channel digital audio.

I don't like upconvert. I prefer to have it in the original format.

Just because its SD doesn't mean its up converted. And for someone who doesn't like bars you would think FOX wide screen would be perfect for you.

But then again this is nickdawg, who had to keep going until a disagreement started:rolleyes:.

Also be well advised that HD and surround sound have absolutely nothing in relation to each other. Now if you are talking about analog SD feeds (which would be the case for you cleveland folk when talking about locals) that is one thing. But for real digital feeds, it is just as easy to feed a 5.1 384kbps AC3 audio feed in a digital 480i channel as it is in either a 720p or 1080i feed.

Though with that out of the way, I have absolutely no clue what is what as far as audio is concerned between of the OTA stations around here, the links to TWC, and the final run to your set-top and whether those 5.1 signals are retained or downconverted anywhere along the line. I still am running off the basic 2 channel audio out of my tv fed by HDMI. Even a real low budget surround sound system that I can feed via optical or coaxial is out of my reach for the time being.

Just because its SD doesn't mean its up converted. And for someone who doesn't like bars you would think FOX wide screen would be perfect for you.

But then again this is nickdawg, who had to keep going until a disagreement started:rolleyes:.

No, I'm talking about audio. FOX upconverts the audio on the digital side.

And yes, I like digital widescreen (480i). I wish more channels would choose to broadcast in that format.

No, I'm talking about audio. FOX upconverts the audio on the digital side.

And yes, I like digital widescreen (480i). I wish more channels would choose to broadcast in that format.


Tell you what. I'm not certain and since you don't watch on 408 I will pay closer attention next show. If I hear separation in the rear speakers that woul be proof of true surround.

My observations of "faux" surround is sound from the front only except commercials. I will get back to you on this.

Tell you what. I'm not certain and since you don't watch on 408 I will pay closer attention next show. If I hear separation in the rear speakers that woul be proof of true surround.

My observations of "faux" surround is sound from the front only except commercials. I will get back to you on this.

If it is real surround, then it is poorly made. Right now, the awards show is on ABC HD. It sounds perfect. Flip over there now to see! You can hear applause out the rear, but it is not overwhelming. FOX always has overwhelming rear sound. And WOIO is the worst of all. On non-HD programming you can her the fake surround, the center is too LOUD. Also, there are random bursts out of the rears.

If it is real surround, then it is poorly made. Right now, the awards show is on ABC HD. It sounds perfect. Flip over there now to see! You can hear applause out the rear, but it is not overwhelming. FOX always has overwhelming rear sound. And WOIO is the worst of all. On non-HD programming you can her the fake surround, the center is too LOUD. Also, there are random bursts out of the rears.
I agree the sound is louder in the rear on WJW and WOIO. I don't hear these "burst" you mention unless its by design.

We are running in circles. And I don't watch oscars. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. I will bet this once again will come down to what you prefer vs what I prefer.

Isn't that what it always comes down to? :)

Does anyone in TW NEOhio have Primetime on Demand yet? If so, what channel? I wish they would do a better job keeping us up-to-date on channel changes.

Does anyone in TW NEOhio have Primetime on Demand yet? If so, what channel? I wish they would do a better job keeping us up-to-date on channel changes.

YES. It's channel 516.

YES. It's channel 516.

I asked here about a week ago too, and no, it's still not on 516 in Erie. Wonder what's up with this?

It's already bad enough they cannot show 16:9 programming in 16:9 full screen. And it sucks that the HD feed of all HD programming is gone.

But now they're showing 4:3 programming shrunk inside the 4:3 window. So on an HDTV set, you get the normal bars on the left and right PLUS a smaller picture surrounded by black INSIDE the 4:3 area. On a SDTV set viewing the SD channel, you'd see a small black frame around the picture.

It makes no sense why 4:3 material is being windowboxed inside the 4:3 safe area. :confused::confused::confused:

I asked here about a week ago too, and no, it's still not on 516 in Erie. Wonder what's up with this?

If you have an OCAP box, press Vol+ , Vol-, INFO on the front of the box to reboot it and see if it shows up then.

It's already bad enough they cannot show 16:9 programming in 16:9 full screen. And it sucks that the HD feed of all HD programming is gone.

But now they're showing 4:3 programming shrunk inside the 4:3 window. So on an HDTV set, you get the normal bars on the left and right PLUS a smaller picture surrounded by black INSIDE the 4:3 area. On a SDTV set viewing the SD channel, you'd see a small black frame around the picture.

It makes no sense why 4:3 material is being windowboxed inside the 4:3 safe area. :confused::confused::confused:

What are you talking about? I've had the news on since 4:00 and the only thing I've seen is stretch o vision when they go to an interview or out of the studio.

What are you talking about? I've had the news on since 4:00 and the only thing I've seen is stretch o vision when they go to an interview or out of the studio.

What? WNEO has news at 4pm now?? :p:p

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

I asked here about a week ago too, and no, it's still not on 516 in Erie. Wonder what's up with this?

You are not on the same line up at nickdawg, I would guess.

TW's website, which is not up to date shows you have On Demand on channel 1. I believe you said that was incorrect, but if not that's where it should be.

What? WNEO has news at 4pm now?? :p:p

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

I could have sworn you said WOIO. My bad, I don't even get WNEO.:o

You are not on the same line up at nickdawg, I would guess.

TW's website, which is not up to date shows you have On Demand on channel 1. I believe you said that was incorrect, but if not that's where it should be.

That's changing next week. On March 1st, On Demand channels are being added in the 500s as individual channels.

That's changing next week. On March 1st, On Demand channels are being added in the 500s as individual channels.

Yeah, sure it is. And we are getting more HD on March 15.:rolleyes:

nickdawg I have some Ocean Front property in Arizona that has a clear signal to WNEO HD. And all the programs are really in HD! You interested?:D;)

Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, and carriage of programming services is discontinued only in rare circumstances. The following agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future.
WBNX, WAOH, WOHZ, WIVM, WYFX HD, WTRF, Lifeskool On Demand, Great American Country, GSN, BBC America On Demand, FSN Pittsburgh, Inspirational Life, Outdoor Channel, NBA TV, E!, Logo, ShopNBC, Style, Weather Channel, HD Net, HD Net Movies.
Primetime On Demand will be added to the line-up on, or after, February 18, 2009. On 3/5/09 National Geographic On Demand will cease to exist as a separate channel. Its programming will move to News & World On Demand. On or after, March 15, 2009, the following services will be added to Standard HD: Palladia HD, Discovery HD, USA HD, Sci-Fi HD, and Disney HD.
WQLN/PBS/54 will be added as a Digital Access channel 0n 2/18/09 in some areas. On 3/31/09, WDLI/TBN/17 will be added to Basic Service in these same areas.
Where it is carried, MoviePlex will be dropped from the Expanded Basic line-up on, or after 3/15/09. At that same time, RetroPlex will be added to the line-up on the Movie Tier.
The following changes will take place on, or after, 3/15/09: In the Cadiz, Hopedale, Jewett, and Scio systems, MoviePlex will be dropped from the Expanded Basic Line-up. In Cadiz, RetroPlex will be added to Digital Basic.
* Changes will vary by service area. Not all services available in all areas.

Looks like on Demand Channels aren't going to be individual channels yay for Erie Suburbs that already have On-Demand Channels in the 500s and still no Primetime on Demand

Hey nickdawg. Give me it straight. Do you prefer 16:9 or 4:3? I'm getting really confused. One day you are singing the praises of centercut programming yet the next you absolutely love seeing 16:9 programming. Which is it? :confused:

Hey nickdawg. Give me it straight. Do you prefer 16:9 or 4:3? I'm getting really confused. One day you are singing the praises of centercut programming yet the next you absolutely love seeing 16:9 programming. Which is it? :confused:

Well, *this* should be fun... :)

is available in the City of Erie right now..

shows available are from CBS, FX, NBC and a couple more..I don't remember seeing ABC or FOX...

Hey nickdawg. Give me it straight. Do you prefer 16:9 or 4:3? I'm getting really confused. One day you are singing the praises of centercut programming yet the next you absolutely love seeing 16:9 programming. Which is it? :confused:

Believe it or not, I kind of understand nickdawg on this. Allow me to give it a go.

nickdawg prefers 16X9. He doesn't like bars and will stretch to get rid of them. The reason you are confused as to what he likes and doesn't like is his constant insisting that he would prefer to watch certain channels in SD. However he can stretch those SD channels. Many times that reason is a bug that appears in the middle of the HD screen. There are others more confusing then that but that's an example.

Nickdawg will swear up and down that pq on digital SD is as good as HD which is another reason he will take SD. This applies to channels that has substations, which he hates. He doesn't like fast action blurred and this only happens according to nickdawg in HD and on channels with subs.

So it's not that he prefers 4:3, he doesn't. He just is picky about his HD. Now the FACT that any HD beats the pants of any digital SD, that does not apply in nickdawg world.;)

Take it away, nickdawg.......I think I covered it though.

Believe it or not, I kind of understand nickdawg on this. Allow me to give it a go.

nickdawg prefers 16X9. He doesn't like bars and will stretch to get rid of them. The reason you are confused as to what he likes and doesn't like is his constant insisting that he would prefer to watch certain channels in SD. However he can stretch those SD channels. Many times that reason is a bug that appears in the middle of the HD screen. There are others more confusing then that but that's an example.

Nickdawg will swear up and down that pq on digital SD is as good as HD which is another reason he will take SD. This applies to channels that has substations, which he hates. He doesn't like fast action blurred and this only happens according to nickdawg in HD and on channels with subs.

So it's not that he prefers 4:3, he doesn't. He just is picky about his HD. Now the FACT that any HD beats the pants of any digital SD, that does not apply in nickdawg world.;)

Take it away, nickdawg.......I think I covered it though.
I believe I understand, too, and feel the same way. My viewing preferences in order of priority:

1. 16x9 HD (I have a 720p set, so whether it's 720p or 1080i really doesn't matter to me...)

2. 16x9 Digital SD which is usually shown as Letterbox (black bars on 4 sides.) I can easily zoom this and it fills up the screen and most (true) digital channels on TW actually look pretty good this way.

3. 16x9 Analog SD, shown as above. The quality here is highly dependant upon the channel and its transmission quality from the head end. Some, like Sci-Fi aren't too bad; others are barely watchable.

4. 4x3 - I have a 44-in screen and hate when the transmission media turns it into a 36-in! However I hate stretch-o-vision and zooming the picture to fill the screen often leaves out a lot, depending on the program.

RJ

Believe it or not, I kind of understand nickdawg on this. Allow me to give it a go.

nickdawg prefers 16X9. He doesn't like bars and will stretch to get rid of them.

WRONG!! Couldn't be any more wrong that that. As I have said before, I despise "stretch-o-vision" and will not watch HD channels with stretcehd programming. What I want is either full screen 16:9 on programming that is 16:9 OR 4:3 programming shown in 4:3. The only bars I hate are the horizontal ones because there is no reason to show a 16:9 picture INSIDE a 16:9 screen with black space on all four sides.

However he can stretch those SD channels. Many times that reason is a bug that appears in the middle of the HD screen. There are others more confusing then that but that's an example.

WRONG AGAIN!! The reason why I watch SD versions of HD channels is to get AWAY from stretching. I won't watch TBS HD if the program is stretched. I deleted an entire series from History HD because the program was always shown stretched.

Nickdawg will swear up and down that pq on digital SD is as good as HD which is another reason he will take SD. This applies to channels that has substations, which he hates. He doesn't like fast action blurred and this only happens according to nickdawg in HD and on channels with subs.

WRONG AGAIN!! (good quality)Digital SDTV can look almost as good as HDTV. When you compare a digital source like VOD to the regular analog channel of USA, the program from the VOD channel DOES look better because it is no analog or starved digital.

And yes, subchannels are awful. If you don't believe me, go watch ZVIZ World and WVIZ Create channels 364 and 365 and see what a compressed to death mess they are.

So it's not that he prefers 4:3, he doesn't. He just is picky about his HD. Now the FACT that any HD beats the pants of any digital SD, that does not apply in nickdawg world.;)

Take it away, nickdawg.......I think I covered it though.

threee strikes, as they would say on MLB HD :p, YOU'RE OUT!!!

I am very picky, whether it is HD or SD digital, I WANT THE BEST QUALITY. And crap like having three subchannels of PBS reruns and a boring CSPAN type thing or downrezzing CBS to 720p :p is NOT the best quality.

And no, it's not "any HD beats the pants off SD". Stretched SD programming upconverted to HD resolution is NOT better. It's garbage. Take a look at TBS or any of the other $h!t channels in the 440s.

I really don't see why nickdawg doesn't have a C-band dish so he can just watch the raw network feeds at ~30 Mbps. :D

- Trip

WRONG!! Couldn't be any more wrong that that. As I have said before, I despise "stretch-o-vision" and will not watch HD channels with stretcehd programming. What I want is either full screen 16:9 on programming that is 16:9 OR 4:3 programming shown in 4:3. The only bars I hate are the horizontal ones because there is no reason to show a 16:9 picture INSIDE a 16:9 screen with black space on all four sides.



WRONG AGAIN!! The reason why I watch SD versions of HD channels is to get AWAY from stretching. I won't watch TBS HD if the program is stretched. I deleted an entire series from History HD because the program was always shown stretched.



WRONG AGAIN!! (good quality)Digital SDTV can look almost as good as HDTV. When you compare a digital source like VOD to the regular analog channel of USA, the program from the VOD channel DOES look better because it is no analog or starved digital.

And yes, subchannels are awful. If you don't believe me, go watch ZVIZ World and WVIZ Create channels 364 and 365 and see what a compressed to death mess they are.



threee strikes, as they would say on MLB HD :p, YOU'RE OUT!!!


I am very picky, whether it is HD or SD digital, I WANT THE BEST QUALITY. And crap like having three subchannels of PBS reruns and a boring CSPAN type thing or downrezzing CBS to 720p :p is NOT the best quality.

And no, it's not "any HD beats the pants off SD". Stretched SD programming upconverted to HD resolution is NOT better. It's garbage. Take a look at TBS or any of the other $h!t channels in the 440s.
This is why nobody understands you.

Also nickdawg, I wanna know who you think stretches SD programming anymore. To be quite honest, I haven't seen much to that effect. The only offenders I have known have been like HGTV and and Food network and they've done a decent job of getting most of their aired programming bumped to Native HD. TNT and TBS do stretched programming but it's linear so it's an easy fix with the aspect modes on the set-top or on the tv. Everyone else seems to keep true to OAR from what I have seen. Or the very least they have letterboxed programming that they can cleanly upscale to 16:9 HD.

Also nickdawg, I wanna know who you think stretches SD programming anymore. To be quite honest, I haven't seen much to that effect. The only offenders I have known have been like HGTV and and Food network and they've done a decent job of getting most of their aired programming bumped to Native HD. TNT and TBS do stretched programming but it's linear so it's an easy fix with the aspect modes on the set-top or on the tv. Everyone else seems to keep true to OAR from what I have seen. Or the very least they have letterboxed programming that they can cleanly upscale to 16:9 HD.

Not to be rude, as it sounds in typing. But are you seeing the same channels I am? TNT/TBS are NOT fixable, they are funhouse mirror effect where the sides are distorted and the middle remains relatively the same. When you squeeze it, the middle looks funny. It's a non-linear stretch. A&E networks and FDHD/HGTV also appear to use the similar methods.

History HD stretches new letterboxed programming. While one instance of the show may be proper HD, another is SD and stretched letterbox. I was watching Racheal Ray on Food, and the stretching gave her a flat, moon face. I don't watch A&E or HGTV, but when I looked at them they were bad.

I can tell you right now that 441-447 DO NOT keep true OAR.

You just had to get him going.;)

If anything he said today resembles anything he said in the part, its purely coincidental.

Primetime On Demand is now on 516 in Erie County, PA. I had to contact our local manager, and he got it on the next day. Pretty good service.

Tribe vs hated evil SF Giants on STO right now in HD.

Tribe vs hated evil SF Giants on STO right now in HD.
Same game is also supposed to be on MLB Network, but it's blacked out on TW. Wonder how often that will happen? It would be nice to have MLB in HD too.

Same game is also supposed to be on MLB Network, but it's blacked out on TW. Wonder how often that will happen? It would be nice to have MLB in HD too.


It was on MLB Network first inning. That's how I spotted it. And I agree 100% it would be great to have MLB Network in HD.

Why? If it is on STO, then it's probably HD.

I would take MLB HD on ONE condition: it MUST REPLACE either HGTV HD(445) or Discovery HDT(448).

Oh and that stupid channel(s) called FSN HD(that show the stupid FSN Ohio blue screen crap 95% of the time) has to be moved to SDV only.

Why? If it is on STO, then it's probably HD.

I would take MLB HD on ONE condition: it MUST REPLACE either HGTV HD(445) or Discovery HDT(448).

For one, the World Baseball Classic is starting. I know we won't have MLB Network HD but that would be the way I prefer to watch it.

Second, so we could see more games other then Cleveland. MLB Network is going to televise spring training games and regular season as well. That's why. Plus their programming has been pretty good IMHO. Although I don't get too much of a chance to actually watch it I would like to see it in HD.

If they can have BIG10HD, why not MLB Network HD? I never look at Big10 I could care less.

Oh and that stupid channel(s) called FSN HD(that show the stupid FSN Ohio blue screen crap 95% of the time) has to be moved to SDV only.

That makes perfect sense. A good decision.

For one, the World Baseball Classic is starting. I know we won't have MLB Network HD but that would be the way I prefer to watch it.

Second, so we could see more games other then Cleveland. MLB Network is going to televise spring training games and regular season as well. That's why. Plus their programming has been pretty good IMHO. Although I don't get too much of a chance to actually watch it I would like to see it in HD.

If they can have BIG10HD, why not MLB Network HD? I never look at Big10 I could care less.


Why not switch out BIG10HD for MLB? Football season is over. Basketball season will be over shortly(it is almost March). What is the purpose of having this channel between late March/April-late August?

Once March Madness is over, B10 will just be non-mainstream sports/events, in studio reports and "classic" games. Most of the "classic" stuff is SDTV with patterned side panels.

Add MLB HD in time for the beginning of baseball season. At least it would be a NEW programming choice. Plus, TWC should have SDV and more channels added by August so Big Ten can be added again.

Why not switch out BIG10HD for MLB? Football season is over. Basketball season will be over shortly(it is almost March). What is the purpose of having this channel between late March/April-late August?

Once March Madness is over, B10 will just be non-mainstream sports/events, in studio reports and "classic" games. Most of the "classic" stuff is SDTV with patterned side panels.

Add MLB HD in time for the beginning of baseball season. At least it would be a NEW programming choice. Plus, TWC should have SDV and more channels added by August so Big Ten can be added again.

As I was reading your response on my Blackberry I found myself saying, "My God. He just made total sense.":)

By the time I got to my computer however I changed my mind. No need really to split them, with SDV they should be able to do both with no problem.

However as it stands right now, you're idea is a good one. To bad Time Warner doesn't think like nickdawg thinks.;)

I didn't actually say that, did I?:D

Tonight during "Lost" and earlier during the local news I noticed that the picture is acting funny on WEWHD. Going between commercials as well as between the show and commercials, the picture freezes, breaks up and there was even a bright flash of green as Lost returned from break.

As far as I can see, the problem is only on WEWHD. I also watched UHD at 7pm and that was normal. But WEWHD at 4 for Oprah, during the news and now Lost has problems.

The problems became less by the time "Life On Mars" started at 10. Although there still were a few hiccups around the end during the previews.

This is hilarious
And definitely not suitable for work
and probably the wrong forum
but #7 is the norton furniture ad from Cleveland
http://www.cracked.com/article_17093_10-awesome-ads-traumatizing-children.html

Dave

And while I'm here, WTF?? Am I the only person here who watches Lost and Life on Mars? I posted a comment about the problems on WEWHD, and nobody says anything. I thought Lost was more popular than that!

I can talk to you in about 3 weeks. I recorded both.

Life on Mars is a great show. I'm surprised it hasn't been canceled.

Also nickdawg, I wanna know who you think stretches SD programming anymore. To be quite honest, I haven't seen much to that effect. The only offenders I have known have been like HGTV and and Food network and they've done a decent job of getting most of their aired programming bumped to Native HD.Stretches/Zooms/Crops non-HD, grouped by corporate ownership:

A&E Television Networks
A&E HD, Biography HD, History Channel HD, Crime and Investigation HD

Rainbow Media Holdings
AMC

Discovery Communications
Animal Planet HD, Science HD, TLC HD, Discovery HD, Planet Green HD

Turner Broadcasting System
Cartoon Network HD, TBS HD, TNT HD

Scripps Networks
Food Network HD, HGTV HD

Lifetime Networks
Lifetime HD, Lifetime Movie Network HD

Cox Communications
Travel Channel HD



TNT and TBS do stretched programming but it's linear so it's an easy fix with the aspect modes on the set-top or on the tv.No, you can't fix TBS & TNT when they aren't showing HD, since the image is not a linear stretch; it's a panoramic stretch, with the middle of the image relatively not changed and the sides stretched drastically.

I think that a few of the zooms are OK (well a lot better than what the SA8300HD does) if they start with a high quality 4:3 SD image and only zoom to about 14:9 (not filling the full screen). It's not perfect but it's OK.

No, you can't fix TBS & TNT when they aren't showing HD, since the image is not a linear stretch; it's a panoramic stretch, with the middle of the image relatively not changed and the sides stretched drastically.

Are you absolutely certain? I KNOW the likes of Food network and HGTV do the 'fisheye' stretch or the panoramic stretch as you call it. Try watching Good Eats when they do their horizontal pans. It'll give anyone a massive headache. x.x

But at least on TBS watching some of the older sitcoms the stretching sure looks linear to me. If it's not, they at least hide it fairly damn well.

No, you can't fix TBS & TNT when they aren't showing HD, since the image is not a linear stretch; it's a panoramic stretch, with the middle of the image relatively not changed and the sides stretched drastically.

I've seen that anamorphia stretch on some HD sets and it 's rather disorienting at times. It's especially weird looking during a crawl. I would much rather see a linear stretch.

Dude, if Ken H says that's how it is then that's how it is. He's the man on HD in this forum.

Are you absolutely certain? I KNOW the likes of Food network and HGTV do the 'fisheye' stretch or the panoramic stretch as you call it. Try watching Good Eats when they do their horizontal pans. It'll give anyone a massive headache. x.x

But at least on TBS watching some of the older sitcoms the stretching sure looks linear to me. If it's not, they at least hide it fairly damn well.

I've seen that anamorphia stretch on some HD sets and it 's rather disorienting at times. It's especially weird looking during a crawl. I would much rather see a linear stretch.

I would much rather see OAR with bars on the side! :p

I know what you mean about the crawls. It makes me physically ill watching stretched programming.

Are you absolutely certain?
Yes.

And while I'm here, WTF?? Am I the only person here who watches Lost and Life on Mars? I posted a comment about the problems on WEWHD, and nobody says anything. I thought Lost was more popular than that!
I watched my recording of Life on Mars last night and saw no problems with it at all.

I watched my recording of Life on Mars last night and saw no problems with it at all.

When nickdawg mentioned a flashing green screen my thought was that sounds like a problem with his DVR. I almost went and skimmed through the two shows just to see if I noticed anything.

nickdawg, were you watching on your HDC or SA 8300 HD? Reason I ask is HDC as you know uses cable cards, maybe that is an issue.

And while I'm here, WTF?? Am I the only person here who watches Lost and Life on Mars? I posted a comment about the problems on WEWHD, and nobody says anything. I thought Lost was more popular than that!
I watch Lost every week. I didn't notice any problems. That doesn't mean they weren't there, but nothing caught my attention.

I have my own problems with WEWS (and the PS3), but no problem with live TV.

And I did watch Life On Mars after Lost, though after that one time I doubt that I'll be watching it again. The show was bad, and the whole premise is pretty trite at this point.

I've got Lost on my hard drive. If you can tell me exactly where you spotted the problem(s), I'll go back and look.

I was watching it live on the HDC box. Where I saw it mostly was during commercials, between commercials and switching from local crap back to network HD. It was doing the same thing earlier that day as well. Only on channel 5. I watched WKYC and WJW last night, both worked fine.

If you still have Life on Mars one part to watch is the closing credits where they show the previews. There was a freeze up at the end before switching to the news promo.

If you still have Life on Mars one part to watch is the closing credits where they show the previews. There was a freeze up at the end before switching to the news promo.

When the show ends, I hit stop and delete just as the credits come up. I never read the credits.

If it only happened during the commercials, what are you complaining about? Geeze.

I watch Lost every week. I didn't notice any problems. That doesn't mean they weren't there, but nothing caught my attention.

I have my own problems with WEWS (and the PS3), but no problem with live TV.

And I did watch Life On Mars after Lost, though after that one time I doubt that I'll be watching it again. The show was bad, and the whole premise is pretty trite at this point.

I've got Lost on my hard drive. If you can tell me exactly where you spotted the problem(s), I'll go back and look.

I don't understand. How could you say the premise is trite if you only watched one show?

Since I'm 3 weeks behind maybe I don't get it. I did notice on the last show they didn't go into the future at all. Still was a watchable show with good actors and characters.

But at least on TBS watching some of the older sitcoms the stretching sure looks linear to me. If it's not, they at least hide it fairly damn well.

It looks good because it isn't stretched. Instead, they are cropping off scenes at the top or bottom to produce a 16:9 image.

Since I'm 3 weeks behind maybe I don't get it. I did notice on the last show they didn't go into the future at all. Still was a watchable show with good actors and characters.

Hook, you and I are in the same spot on Life on Mars (3 weeks behind). I still want to know what's up with the Russian bug crawling in and out of people! I understand the show's not doing well in the ratings, but I find the story somehow captivating. I have a feeling that it's going to be dropped before we can see it to conclusion, though. I guess there's always the British version, and from what I've heard it's better than the US show.