Hook, you and I are in the same spot on Life on Mars (3 weeks behind). I still want to know what's up with the Russian bug crawling in and out of people! I understand the show's not doing well in the ratings, but I find the story somehow captivating. I have a feeling that it's going to be dropped before we can see it to conclusion, though. I guess there's always the British version, and from what I've heard it's better than the US show.

hmmm....for a show that doesn't do well how come there is like four of us here watching.

I hate ratings. They are never accurate. I wish they would use data from our recordings and apply that to ratings.

When the show ends, I hit stop and delete just as the credits come up. I never read the credits.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek:
Ohhhhhhh noooooooo!!!! For me, I DESPISE those network credit banners with the garbage ads above. I absolutely love seeing the "real" studio credits of a show, usually with the theme song replayed and the credits in the font of the show. When watching a show, the show is NOT OVER until the credits have run and the vanity cards are shown.

I hate it when networks follow your philosophy and ruin the ends of shows for ads or even to start another show! :mad::mad::mad:

If it only happened during the commercials, what are you complaining about? Geeze.

No, it wasn't just during commercials. It was also during coming in from commercials. Sometimes the picture would appear to "freeze" before and after breaks. And since I saw part of the "ABC filler" material that is shown when affiliates cut to local inserted spots, I assumed that the timing would be off, cutting off part of the show. I have seen that happen before. Usually on a network named after a small, woodland creature;).

I don't understand. How could you say the premise is trite if you only watched one show?

Since I'm 3 weeks behind maybe I don't get it. I did notice on the last show they didn't go into the future at all. Still was a watchable show with good actors and characters.

I LOVE this show. Too bad I only started watching it back in January after Lost. And thanks to DAMN ABC for putting it up against the final season of ER in the fall. :mad::mad::mad:

But at least on TBS watching some of the older sitcoms the stretching sure looks linear to me. If it's not, they at least hide it fairly damn well.

That would be Seinfeld, which has been transfered to HD.

I just got off the phone with TW. My contact in head end returned my call(s). She told me they are still trying to figure out what the problem is with TiVo and 223 (chiller), then she said she did have some news for me. The Tuner Adapters for TiVo have arrived at the warehouse. They will be giving their techs training and then will start distribution.

I pushed for the answer on the SARA and Navigator thing and she said that is still to be determined. She again confirmed there is no reason why they can't use SARA.

If they have the tuning adapters now then I got to think they will launch SDV within a short period. I've said Fall all along but now I may have to rethink that.

I will give TWNeo credit for getting the Tuner Adapters here before the launch of SDV. Other areas have not been so fortunate, and in some cases it was simply a case of they hadn't come up with them yet.

The big question still remains: Are they going to hold up until they convert SARA to Navigator or will they go with two platforms? I would think with the tuner adapters here that they will go ahead with SARA. That would make sense. What doesn't make sense is the lack of evidence of any testing what so ever.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek:
Ohhhhhhh noooooooo!!!! For me, I DESPISE those network credit banners with the garbage ads above. I absolutely love seeing the "real" studio credits of a show, usually with the theme song replayed and the credits in the font of the show. When watching a show, the show is NOT OVER until the credits have run and the vanity cards are shown.

I hate it when networks follow your philosophy and ruin the ends of shows for ads or even to start another show! :mad::mad::mad:


Philosophy???? What philosophy, it's just a decision not to read the credits. The show ends, it's time to move to the next show. I don't have the time for commercials or credits. That's why I'm 3 weeks behind.

How you read these things into a post nickdawg is incredible!:confused::confused::confused:

The big question still remains: Are they going to hold up until they convert SARA to Navigator or will they go with two platforms? I would think with the tuner adapters here that they will go ahead with SARA. That would make sense. What doesn't make sense is the lack of evidence of any testing what so ever.

Yes they will. I have been discussing this with other areas and several Navigator/SARA systems exist. With SDV/HD channels fully deployed. Also, the only UI that sucks is Passport. SARA is capable of running "extensions" like StartOver, Enhanced TV, Caller ID and other TWC features. Navigator is not even necessary.

Maybe it doesn't have to be "tested". Once they got things going here, they were able to start switching channels. And Chiller was added without a "test" period at all. For all we know, those 5 ne HD services may be among the first SDV channels in Adelphia areas.

See, it looks like they might meet that March deadline after all. I know something is coming, as they are also set to reorganize the VOD channels in Adelphia land.

Philosophy???? What philosophy, it's just a decision not to read the credits. The show ends, it's time to move to the next show. I don't have the time for commercials or credits. That's why I'm 3 weeks behind.

How you read these things into a post nickdawg is incredible!:confused::confused::confused:

Yes it is a philosophy. Call it the Church of TNTology!! :rolleyes:;):p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Yes it is a philosophy. Call it the Church of TNTology!! :rolleyes:;):p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Why do I try to understand this guy?

They say insanity is taking the same action and having the same results. I gotta be insane to try to understand nickdawg.:D

Why do I try to understand this guy?

They say insanity is taking the same action and having the same results. I gotta be insane to try to understand nickdawg.:D

You skip over my other, serious post and respond to the joke? :confused::confused::confused:

Nothing to understand, just humour!! :D

You skip over my other, serious post and respond to the joke? :confused::confused::confused:

Nothing to understand, just humour!! :D

I had nothing to say about the serious post. Did you see the big grin? I got the joke. Sort of.

You have a strange set of humor.;)

Sorry but never heard of Life On Mars. Lost is just a souped up daytime soap, so I lost it.

That would be Seinfeld, which has been transfered to HD.

No. I'm mostly referring to some of the other weekday afternoon reruns like Yes Dear, Just Shoot Me, Home Improvement. Shows that I doubt were neither shot in 16:9 nor would they want to bother transferring them to HD. And in reply to another poster: No, they aren't cut off. They are very much stretched. I'm only saying that the stretching looks very much linear even in panning shots so if they are doing some kind of fisheye job, they are certainly hiding it damn well.

Chiller, 223 is now up on both tivos in my house. Kind of unexpected but appreciated. Last week Joann, my contact called me at 9:00 pm.

Tivo people check t out. I will call tomorrow about guide data.

About WEWHD: Tongight during 20/20, it briefly did what I described during Lost/Life On Mars, but this time in the middle of the show. :confused:

Chiller, 223 is now up on both tivos in my house. Kind of unexpected but appreciated. Last week Joann, my contact called me at 9:00 pm.

Tivo people check t out. I will call tomorrow about guide data.

Tell me hookdog, does Joann know anything about Navigator? According to TWC website, navigator is being upgraded during the month of February. The 8300HD got it a few weeks back. The 4250HD has yet to see any update. I know there's the difference between the OCAP/non-OCAP boxes. But why aren't they upgrading ALL of their Navigator boxes, especially since the OCAP one is worse? And Feb is over tomorrow! :mad:

Tell me hookdog, does Joann know anything about Navigator? According to TWC website, navigator is being upgraded during the month of February. The 8300HD got it a few weeks back. The 4250HD has yet to see any update. I know there's the difference between the OCAP/non-OCAP boxes. But why aren't they upgrading ALL of their Navigator boxes, especially since the OCAP one is worse? And Feb is over tomorrow! :mad:

I get the feeling that she is not involved in any of the changes going on with Navigator. I understand she has been on "loan" to headens for the past couple of years.

She is kind of a problem solver for unique issues. I saw her once about a year ago on ASK TIME WARNER. She was plugging the Voip. So she probably has her hands on several things. But she either doesn't get involved with the planning or she just can't tell me.

Maybe someone will come around with more info and can answer your questions. I just don't know. It just seems TW doesn't want to show their hand.

Yes it is a philosophy. Call it the Church of TNTology!! :rolleyes:;):p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
That joke only works with the Sci-Fi channel.

I don't understand. How could you say the premise is trite if you only watched one show?
Just seems like there are a ton of shows out there where someone gets some sort of "otherworldly" help in solving crimes. Let's see: Numbers, Medium, Life on Mars, and several more forgettable ones. What was that one last year about the guy who kept going back into the past? Or what about the one this year where the guy has two identities? How about Monk? And even the first season of Heroes had an element of it (Matt, the cop who could read minds). It's just been way overdone.

I don't watch that many shows. I find almost all TV comedies impossible to watch - they just insult my intelligence. There are a few dramas that have drawn me in, and most of those have a sci-fi element, Lost and Heroes for example.

I also watch Fringe, but I see it mostly as a comedy. :) It's like a cross between the XFiles and the old Outer Limits show. The plots they come up with are so bizarre that they make me laugh.

And I always watch 24. I have to time shift it, though, since it's on opposite Heroes. But that's about it. The only other things that I'll watch are an occasional music show, movie, or sporting event.

And, btw, my wife thinks I watch WAY too much television. :rolleyes:

Most of the shows that I like best get canceled after one season. (Jericho, Commander In Chief, Invasion, for recent examples).

Television is not in it's "golden era" right now and reality shows and production cost seem to be the main reason. Look at what NBC plans to do with Leno and moving the Tonight show into primetime (not with Leno).

I only watch 2 reality shows with any interest and one of them not that much. That would be Survivor and Amazing Race. I was watching an interview with Tom Selick the other day and he was saying the same thing. He also says something I've suspected for a long time: Reality shows arn't real.

Television is not in it's "golden era" right now and reality shows and production cost seem to be the main reason. Look at what NBC plans to do with Leno and moving the Tonight show into primetime (not with Leno).

I only watch 2 reality shows with any interest and one of them not that much. That would be Survivor and Amazing Race. I was watching an interview with Tom Selick the other day and he was saying the same thing. He also says something I've suspected for a long time: Reality shows arn't real.{off-topic}Reality shows are professional wrestling programs... just without the wrestling. It has never been "real". Even the gameshows are staged to get some dumb people onto it that honestly think, "I know I've got the case!" :rolleyes:

About WEWHD: Tongight during 20/20, it briefly did what I described during Lost/Life On Mars, but this time in the middle of the show. :confused:
I believe WEWSHD may be having problems with their digital transmission. I see the same problems you mention on my Dish Network feed. I also can switch to the OTA feed on the same E* DVR and usually the problem is there too.

Speaking of ch 5, yesterday I had the noon news on when Pres. Obama began his speech to the troops. Newschannel 5 went live to the speech which, at first, was in 16 X 9 (I presume it was true HD because it had none of the artifacts usualy seen with "stretch-o-vision").

As the speech began, suddely ch 5 puts up sidebars :confused::rolleyes::mad:. Why couldn't they leave it alone?

BTW: I'm a "Life On Mars" fan too, except I keep forgetting it's on in it's new day and time until it's almost over. I should DVR it but I need to archive my hard drive first. I believe "Life on Mars" is targeted to a certain audience: younger Baby Boomers, especially those who graduated from High School in the early 70's. The soundtrack is full of songs I haven't heard since I was in school, and they don't limit the selections to the big hits. On one of the early episodes I caught an obscure Turtles album track ("I'm Chief Kamanawanalea (We're the Royal Macadamia Nuts)") being played during a "disco" scene (keep in mind that music played in a "disco" in the early '70 bore no resemblence to the music that was to become synonymous with discos of the mid to late 70's). I was floored when I heard that one! Even the title of the show is based on a David Bowie song from the Ziggy Stardust album.

I LOVE this show. Too bad I only started watching it back in January after Lost. And thanks to DAMN ABC for putting it up against the final season of ER in the fall. :mad::mad::mad:
My wife and I got hooked on the original version (on BBC-America). I think they are both very comparable. YMMV!

Just seems like there are a ton of shows out there where someone gets some sort of "otherworldly" help in solving crimes. Let's see: Numbers, Medium, Life on Mars, and several more forgettable ones. What was that one last year about the guy who kept going back into the past? Or what about the one this year where the guy has two identities? How about Monk? And even the first season of Heroes had an element of it (Matt, the cop who could read minds). It's just been way overdone....................

Sadly their seems to be a lot of copy-cat writing going on. Whether it's the writers getting inspired by a particular theme or the "suits" seeing something working and demanding the writers come up with something similar I dunno. Probably more the later. :p

But it's nothing new. Remember the bunch of movies that came out with the "asteroid is headed towards earth" theme? Or the "stranded on another planet" theme? Alien themes after the movie Aliens was such a hit? For a while about the only network themes were hospitals and cop shows. Now it's psychics and reality shows.

One hit theme and there is almost always copy-cat followers. :eek:

Sadly their seems to be a lot of copy-cat writing going on. Whether it's the writers getting inspired by a particular theme or the "suits" seeing something working and demanding the writers come up with something similar I dunno. Probably more the later. :p

But it's nothing new. Remember the bunch of movies that came out with the "asteroid is headed towards earth" theme? Or the "stranded on another planet" theme? Alien themes after the movie Aliens was such a hit? For a while about the only network themes were hospitals and cop shows. Now it's psychics and reality shows.

One hit theme and there is almost always copy-cat followers. :eek:

As you said the copycat writing is nothing new. Been going on since The Adams Family and The Munsters. Probably before that.

But now what they are doing is taking the psyche shows and mixing them with cops, like the Metalist which IMHO is a horrible show. Then there is Psyche on USA that pokes fun of the idea. Mentioned earlier "Fringe" "Medium" combine both cops and the supernatural. Oh, lets not forget "Supernatural." And the "11th Hour" which takes cops and doctors.

All of topic for sure but fun to discuss

As you said the copycat writing is nothing new. Been going on since The Adams Family and The Munsters. Probably before that.

But now what they are doing is taking the psyche shows and mixing them with cops, like the Metalist which IMHO is a horrible show. Then there is Psyche on USA that pokes fun of the idea. Mentioned earlier "Fringe" "Medium" combine both cops and the supernatural. Oh, lets not forget "Supernatural." And the "11th Hour" which takes cops and doctors.

All of topic for sure but fun to discuss

I agree. I cannot stand "The Mentalist". It's like they took "Monk" and "Psych" and mashed them together, removing everything that makes each show good in the process. He uses his powers of observation, except without the OCD, which makes Monk a better show. He pretends to be a psychic like Psych, except without the personality of Shawn Spencer and the sidekick Gus. That Mentalist guy has less of a personality than a roll of paper towels.

Tell me hookdog, does Joann know anything about Navigator? According to TWC website, navigator is being upgraded during the month of February. The 8300HD got it a few weeks back. The 4250HD has yet to see any update. I know there's the difference between the OCAP/non-OCAP boxes. But why aren't they upgrading ALL of their Navigator boxes, especially since the OCAP one is worse? And Feb is over tomorrow! :mad:


Just as an FYI my 4250HD got an update earlier this week ( monday night?)
in the former comcast west zone

Just as an FYI my 4250HD got an update earlier this week ( monday night?)
in the former comcast west zone

Does it still have the "electric blue" guide color scheme or the dark blue/black/gold color scheme?

Just as an FYI my 4250HD got an update earlier this week ( monday night?)
in the former comcast west zone

What are you running out there? SARA or Navigator? Or did you switch from SARA to Navigator?

Any activity on your diagnostic screen? To get to your diagnostic screen press and hold select then when you see the little envelope press info. All of this is done on the box. When you're in the diagnostic screen press the up and down key on the right of the remote by the center. That should bring you to the SDV screens. See if you notice any activity.

cant get to the box right at the moment. I'll check.
is the new update the dk blue/gold?

cant get to the box right at the moment. I'll check.
is the new update the dk blue/gold?
It really depends on what you have, SARA or Navigator.

What time did you get the update?

cant get to the box right at the moment. I'll check.
is the new update the dk blue/gold?

Dark blue/gold---that's the new Navigator.

Does it still have the "electric blue" guide color scheme or the dark blue/black/gold color scheme?

I live in Amherst also and I have the "electric blue" guide on the 4250HD box. I tried using Hookbills instructions in get into the diagnostic screen with no luck. I push and held the select button and got the letter symbol, but when I pushed info all I got was the info for the channel that was on. Sorry

The easiest way to check is to simply unplug the box and plug it back in, leaving the tv on, and see what the boot screen displays. You'll either get the big blue 'Mystro' boot screen (HDC box it's OCAP, otherwise it's non-OCAP native box code), Aptiv Passport (non-DVR boxes), Aptiv Passport Echo (DVR boxes), or SARA (no clue on that one. Never used it. Never will.)

I live in Amherst also and I have the "electric blue" guide on the 4250HD box. I tried using Hookbills instructions in get into the diagnostic screen with no luck. I push and held the select button and got the letter symbol, but when I pushed info all I got was the info for the channel that was on. Sorry

Push and hold "Select". When the letter symbol flahses, press (arrow) DOWN on the remote or CHANNEL DOWN on the front of the box.

For some reason, INFO doesn't work on ODN(HDC) boxes. But it does work on MDN boxes, like my 8300HD.

Also nickdawg, the diag screen you get varies between of pressing the down button on the remote and the one on the box at least for the HDC's. On the remote you only get the 'software' diag with the translucent background. Mostly stuff like SDV info, Caller ID onscreen status, junk like that. On the box itself you get into the more low level hardware stuff like cablecard info, tuner status, signal levels, OCAP services, etc.. It all depends on what info you are after as to what screen you should go to.

It may be different for you with the 8300HD and IIRC using my aunt's 8000HD with MDN, it compiles all the diagnostics into the single screen like Passport so it doesn't matter whether you activate it through the remote or the front panel of the box.

Push and hold "Select". When the letter symbol flahses, press (arrow) DOWN on the remote or CHANNEL DOWN on the front of the box.

For some reason, INFO doesn't work on ODN(HDC) boxes. But it does work on MDN boxes, like my 8300HD.

Here are a few lines from the SDV page.

SDV Authorized: True
SDV Service Registration: State Pending
SDV Service Group:0

If you want more info just let me know.

Here are a few lines from the SDV page.

SDV Authorized: True
SDV Service Registration: State Pending
SDV Service Group:0

If you want more info just let me know.

Try going to one of the known SDV channels (like STOHD or Chiller) and check back and see what the 'Tuner status' lines on the SDV page read.

Push and hold "Select". When the letter symbol flahses, press (arrow) DOWN on the remote or CHANNEL DOWN on the front of the box.

For some reason, INFO doesn't work on ODN(HDC) boxes. But it does work on MDN boxes, like my 8300HD.
That has to be Navigator. My 4250 works the way I described.

I just got a call from Joann at TW. She is telling me that nobody in my area with cads was getting 223. They did not send the hit out to us. They "forgot."

Also nickdawg, the diag screen you get varies between of pressing the down button on the remote and the one on the box at least for the HDC's. On the remote you only get the 'software' diag with the translucent background. Mostly stuff like SDV info, Caller ID onscreen status, junk like that. On the box itself you get into the more low level hardware stuff like cablecard info, tuner status, signal levels, OCAP services, etc.. It all depends on what info you are after as to what screen you should go to.

It may be different for you with the 8300HD and IIRC using my aunt's 8000HD with MDN, it compiles all the diagnostics into the single screen like Passport so it doesn't matter whether you activate it through the remote or the front panel of the box.

On MDN, the diagnostic screen is almost 30 pages(screens) long. On ODN, I get a 9 page long screen.

Try going to one of the known SDV channels (like STOHD or Chiller) and check back and see what the 'Tuner status' lines on the SDV page read.

Both Primary and Secondary Tuner Status are inactive for the Chiller Channel.

On MDN, the diagnostic screen is almost 30 pages(screens) long. On ODN, I get a 9 page long screen.

Exactly. Like I said, ODN has the 'hardware' and 'software' diag screens separated. Probably more related to the fact that you have the universal Java code that Navigator is written in and the OCAP Java VM interacts directly with the box hardware. So the 'hardware' diag screen that you get through the down button on the front of the box is fed by OCAP while the screen via the remote is fed by Navigator. But for the MDN boxes which don't have OCAP but have the Navigator code interacting directly with the hardware, everything is consolidated into one chunk.

On a side note, went to the local Circuit City here in Niles to see what they had left (boy are they CLEANED OUT. Almost looks like the place was robbed.). Had a Tivo HD for $150 sitting there on the corner of a shelf in the back. Was SOOOO tempted to grab it if I had the funds. :(

Here are a few lines from the SDV page.

SDV Authorized: True
SDV Service Registration: State Pending
SDV Service Group:0

If you want more info just let me know.

That's from a SARA unit. Look at he rest of the pages they should say no or 0. You only read the first page.

Vchat was that a HD Tivo?

Vchat was that a HD Tivo?

Pretty sure. This is the one I saw specifically: http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-video-recorders-dvrs/tivo-hd-dvr-20/4505-6474_7-32511935.html

http://rebornonline.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/tivo-hd-dvr.jpg

Exactly. Like I said, ODN has the 'hardware' and 'software' diag screens separated. Probably more related to the fact that you have the universal Java code that Navigator is written in and the OCAP Java VM interacts directly with the box hardware. So the 'hardware' diag screen that you get through the down button on the front of the box is fed by OCAP while the screen via the remote is fed by Navigator. But for the MDN boxes which don't have OCAP but have the Navigator code interacting directly with the hardware, everything is consolidated into one chunk.

On a side note, went to the local Circuit City here in Niles to see what they had left (boy are they CLEANED OUT. Almost looks like the place was robbed.). Had a Tivo HD for $150 sitting there on the corner of a shelf in the back. Was SOOOO tempted to grab it if I had the funds. :(

The front of the box does NOTHING!!! I tried pushing all the buttons, nothing happened. Well, except now my TV is set to hideous stretch and the resolution light says "480i", instead of the 1080i the box is ALWAYS set to.

I had to set it back to 1080i. Wow, 480i output looks terrible!! It looks best set to 720p or 1080i.

Do you have the HDC or HD box? Like I said, the front panel diag bit I think only works on the HDC boxes. Just press both the volume up and volume down buttons on the front of the box simultaneously. Certain segments of the character display may disappear (this is good). Hold it till the mail light comes on. Let go of those two buttons then press the down/channel down button on the front of the box. Should work. If not, you must have a really whacked out box. Has worked for me every time on my 8300HDC through all known updates.

That's from a SARA unit. Look at he rest of the pages they should say no or 0. You only read the first page.

That's good news. SDV might finally be ready to go in SARA areas. And it's almost March. We might make that march date afterall. Maybe the JASS-HOLE spoke the truth after all! ;)

That's from a SARA unit. Look at he rest of the pages they should say no or 0. You only read the first page.

Yes there were 0 and not available. Can't check now because the wife is watching H&G.

Do you have the HDC or HD box? Like I said, the front panel diag bit I think only works on the HDC boxes. Just press both the volume up and volume down buttons on the front of the box simultaneously. Certain segments of the character display may disappear (this is good). Hold it till the mail light comes on. Let go of those two buttons then press the down/channel down button on the front of the box. Should work. If not, you must have a really whacked out box. Has worked for me every time on my 8300HDC through all known updates.

HDC.

I was able to get the different screen. Hold down Vol +/-. When the envelope light flashes, press Select.

That's good news. SDV might finally be ready to go in SARA areas. And it's almost March. We might make that march date afterall. Maybe the JASS-HOLE spoke the truth after all! ;)

No its not good news. This is the way its always been. Don't get excited all other pages have no data. There has been no change.

If anything the good news is the arrival of the tuner adapters. That's a positive indicator.

Exactly. If anyone is thinking that they are going to do ANYTHING with SARA aside from chucking it into the bit-bucket, you are sorely mistaken. I have said it all along: TWC's primary focus at least here in our area is to unify everyone onto a single system. And when you are dealing with such a wide demographic of customers, they also have to take the set-top UI into account. Anyone who has dealt with joe-schmoe consumer knows exactly how big of help it can be to have a unified interface to walk people through. Navigator is their focus. They're going to have everyone including SARA people moved to it and I'll bet anyone here that it's going to be sooner rather than later. May not be before SDV is finished and additional channels start creeping in, but it'll definitely be soon.

Exactly. If anyone is thinking that they are going to do ANYTHING with SARA aside from chucking it into the bit-bucket, you are sorely mistaken. I have said it all along: TWC's primary focus at least here in our area is to unify everyone onto a single system. And when you are dealing with such a wide demographic of customers, they also have to take the set-top UI into account. Anyone who has dealt with joe-schmoe consumer knows exactly how big of help it can be to have a unified interface to walk people through. Navigator is their focus. They're going to have everyone including SARA people moved to it and I'll bet anyone here that it's going to be sooner rather than later. May not be before SDV is finished and additional channels start creeping in, but it'll definitely be soon.

You make sense with the one system theory. There has to be a reason why they haven't done it yet. Passport was converted quickly. Not just in our area other areas as well. But SARA. That's a different ballgame. Jascoe said there was an issue with the systems. I am convinced that difference lies soley with the inability to safely convert SARA.

Again. I ask show me anywhere that SARA was converted.

I live in Avon, and wdnt to the TWC office in North Olmsted to pick up a 8300HD box. I asked if they had any with Navigator software, and the lady replied that only SARA works in our area, and she thinks that Navigator may only be coming in about 6 months :eek: I am not sure how much technical insight she has, but I was not encouraged.......

I'm not saying it has, but it will. The big question is when? You are right. They probably haven't found a way to safely convert it over yet or else it would have been off those boxes just as quick as Passport was. But it doesn't mean it's not possible. And at this point they really have 3 choices:

1) Find a way to safely convert SARA to Navigator.
2) Leave SARA and live with it.
3) Do an en masse box replacement with boxes that are pre-loaded with Navigator (more than likely the 8300HDC)

2 is obviously out of the question. 3 would be damn near impossible and a logistics/PR nightmare, though a remote possibility as an absolute last resort. 1 is really their only choice.

Like I said, the ultimate question for all of this is WHEN. We all know what TWC is up to and what their real plans are. But it's a guessing game as to when it's all gonna get done. It's why we have these bets going on, right? ;)

I live in Avon, and wdnt to the TWC office in North Olmsted to pick up a 8300HD box. I asked if they had any with Navigator software, and the lady replied that only SARA works in our area, and she thinks that Navigator may only be coming in about 6 months :eek: I am not sure how much technical insight she has, but I was not encouraged.......

Generally CSRs and 'Payment Center' reps have very little knowledge of the technical side of things going on. I wouldn't really trust that info too much.

You make sense with the one system theory. There has to be a reason why they haven't done it yet. Passport was converted quickly. Not just in our area other areas as well. But SARA. That's a different ballgame. Jascoe said there was an issue with the systems. I am convinced that difference lies soley with the inability to safely convert SARA.

Again. I ask show me anywhere that SARA was converted.

It is not an issue. The reason why Passport was changed is simple, IT'S CRAP!! They cannot do the things they want to do with it. SARA is the superior system, as it is capable of TWC's add ons, like Start Over and SDV.

I'm not saying it has, but it will. The big question is when? You are right. They probably haven't found a way to safely convert it over yet or else it would have been off those boxes just as quick as Passport was. But it doesn't mean it's not possible. And at this point they really have 3 choices:

1) Find a way to safely convert SARA to Navigator.
2) Leave SARA and live with it.
3) Do an en masse box replacement with boxes that are pre-loaded with Navigator (more than likely the 8300HDC)

2 is obviously out of the question. 3 would be damn near impossible and a logistics/PR nightmare, though a remote possibility as an absolute last resort. 1 is really their only choice.

Like I said, the ultimate question for all of this is WHEN. We all know what TWC is up to and what their real plans are. But it's a guessing game as to when it's all gonna get done. It's why we have these bets going on, right? ;)

No, 2 is NOT out of the question. 2 is what TWC has done in areas like NC. Anywhere that had Passport got Navigator and SARA areas remained the same. Then, both areas got SDV and new HD channels. They also have features like Start Over, Enhanced TV and Caller ID. On both SARA and Navigator.

Really, if anything here at all is unnecessary, it is Navigator. SARA can do all the things Navigator can do. They could use the SARA interface everywhere with StartOver and Enhanced TV as an add-on. I really wish they would have gone that route. :(

Uhhh. I call bullsh*t. Passport is PERFECTLY capable of SDV, Startover, and plenty of other addons. I dunno what you're smoking but it is at the very least light years ahead of SARA and Navigator combined. Passport had the Caller ID app, a bill payment app. A long time ago TWC even had advertised an ebay and 'Mosaic' app for Passport.

nickdawg, your ideals DO NOT line up with TWC's business. EVER. And if you'd actually read everything going on, you'd realize that.

Tell me this much: If both SARA and Passport are capable of SDV, Startover, and everything else TWC wants to implement. WHY do we have Navigator then? And don't give me the BS that Passport is not capable because it IS. Do some friggin' research. TWC wants a unified set-top system and plant network. Not to even bring in the fact that has been stated time and time again that with SARA and Passport, TWC has to outsource to their respective owners for updates and wait ages for those updates to get to them. With Navigator, all this work is done in-house and is much easier to control and get updates out quicker.

Generally CSRs and 'Payment Center' reps have very little knowledge of the technical side of things going on. I wouldn't really trust that info too much.

Last week I went to the local TWC place to pay the bill. Decided I would wait and see a counter person. When I asked her if any new HD channels were coming(I already knew thanks to their website) she said "I haven't heard anything about new HD". So their website knows more than their employees!!

Hookdog, consider yourself lucky you know one person that has a brain at TWC.

Also something interesting, I pulled up that "new menu" with vot+/- channel ^ and I found something interesting under XAIT INFORMATION.

17155 0 0034_4303_TWC_SARA_TO_ODN_1_0_4

Also:

25210 0 034_627A_TWC_ODN_3_1_0_11
25131 0 034_622B_TWC_ODN_2_4_10_11

There appears to be something about SARA to ODN as well as two different listings of ODN. 2_4_10_11 is the current verison and I believe the new version is supposed to be 3-something. I wonder what that is about??

Go back a number of pages. This is something that I have found myself and has started this huge discussion in the first place primarily with hookbill. Like I said, SARA /IS/ going to Navigator. ****, I'll bet my life savings on it. Just don't know when.

And while I'm here, WTF?? Am I the only person here who watches Lost and Life on Mars? I posted a comment about the problems on WEWHD, and nobody says anything. I thought Lost was more popular than that!

Wanted to actually watch Lost before I responded.... :)

Sat through the entire episode tonight (including commercials), and didn't see anything wrong with it. No breakups, no green flashes, nothing out of the ordinary.

I remember that. That's why I posted it. You said something about SARA to ODN, which I didn't see before discovering this "new" menu. Now I see it too.

I have no doubt that TWC will change SARA one day, but I'm highly doubtful that day will be any time soon. And certainly not before SDV and new HD programming. Like I said, SARA can run all the extras Navigator can. As long as they can get away with not doing a time consuming change, TWC will.

Wanted to actually watch Lost before I responded.... :)

Sat through the entire episode tonight (including commercials), and didn't see anything wrong with it. No breakups, no green flashes, nothing out of the ordinary.

IIRC, you have a Tivo, right?

Have you noticed anything different with channels over the past few weeks? TWC started moving channels to SDV. Right now, STOHD, HDNet/HDnet Movies are SDV. Also, Chiller was added(in SD) on channel 223 and it is SDV as well. G4 on 329 is also SDV. I don't know if you get any of the foreign/sports package channels, but they are also all SDV.

IIRC, you have a Tivo, right?

Have you noticed anything different with channels over the past few weeks? TWC started moving channels to SDV. Right now, STOHD, HDNet/HDnet Movies are SDV. Also, Chiller was added(in SD) on channel 223 and it is SDV as well. G4 on 329 is also SDV. I don't know if you get any of the foreign/sports package channels, but they are also all SDV.

Correct - Tivo HD. I don't get any of the foreign channels or extra sports packages, but I do have most of the premium movie channels. A decent chunk of them (West coast feeds, mostly) are no longer working on the Tivo - guessing these are now SDV.

Correct - Tivo HD. I don't get any of the foreign channels or extra sports packages, but I do have most of the premium movie channels. A decent chunk of them (West coast feeds, mostly) are no longer working on the Tivo - guessing these are now SDV.

Which ones? I only get HBO and from the diganostics screen it is clear they are NON SDV, even the west coast channels. Also, Showtime, Cinemax and STARZ do not have west coast feeds.

Go back a number of pages. This is something that I have found myself and has started this huge discussion in the first place primarily with hookbill. Like I said, SARA /IS/ going to Navigator. ****, I'll bet my life savings on it. Just don't know when.
Wow, lots of conversation on this after i went to sleep.

I think there are a couple different things that we have to look at here. The first thing is the HD coming in 2 weeks, hopefully.

I don't think it's that much extra that it requires SDV. So I believe we will probably see those channels at least by 4/1. SDV? That's another ball game entirely.

Now we know that Passport was capable of SDV as is SARA. Vchat20's arguement about a unified TW makes sense. And having control of what your system can and can't do technology wise makes sense as well. That's what Murdock did over at D* when he gave TiVo the boot (which the new owners found out only pissed people off - that why they have a new agreement with TiVo now).

In a sense Passport and SARA, bad as they both are, seem to be better then Navigator. However TW wants just one system and they want to own it. So it makes perfect sense that they go with Navigator. The problem, as I stated so many times is SARA otherwise it would have happened ages ago.

Now I don't know what exactly that problem is. If they install Navigator is that going to wipe other peoples DVR's? Man, if you've gotta eSATA hooked up to that thing and a months load of programming that's going to piss off a lot of folks.

Or is it another problem? Is it that they can't do it without causing the whole machine to go belly up? That would mean a huge, huge switch out to Navigator HDC and I know they don't want to go there. And don't give me the argument about doing it with Passport and no problem, I say apples and oranges.

We will see the new channels added on, but who knows about the SDV thing? All I know it is definitely not around the majority of ex Adelphia land. Those new HD channels should be arriving as anticipated, Joann even told me she was looking forward to Discovery HD. But all the rest of the SDV issue is speculation.

I doubt if even Steve Fry knows the answer. Somebody must, maybe Joann does and she ain't talking. I don't get that feeling really, she seems just as mystified by this as we are. Time will tell, and only time.

I don't think it's that much extra that it requires SDV. So I believe we will probably see those channels at least by 4/1. SDV? That's another ball game entirely.


:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

What? You mean USA, SCIFI, Discovery... coming by 4/1? Or some other entirely different channels?

The channels listed for the 3/15 date will be here ON 3/15. Just like when Chiller was scheduled for 2/18, it arrived ON 2/18. I highly doubt that date is up in the air.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

What? You mean USA, SCIFI, Discovery... coming by 4/1? Or some other entirely different channels?

The channels listed for the 3/15 date will be here ON 3/15. Just like when Chiller was scheduled for 2/18, it arrived ON 2/18. I highly doubt that date is up in the air.

On or after, March 15, 2009, the following services will be added to Standard HD: Palladia HD, Discovery HD, USA HD, Sci-Fi HD, and Disney HD.

What part of that did you not understand? I'm confident no later then 4/1. I wouldn't bet the house it happens on 3/15.

Where do you see Chiller being added 2/18? Here's the whole notice:


Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, and carriage of programming services is discontinued only in rare circumstances. The following agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future.



WBNX, WAOH, WOHZ, WIVM, WYFX HD, WTRF, Lifeskool On Demand, Great American Country, GSN, BBC America On Demand, FSN Pittsburgh, Inspirational Life, Outdoor Channel, NBA TV, E!, Logo, ShopNBC, Style, Weather Channel, HD Net, HD Net Movies.



Primetime On Demand will be added to the line-up on, or after, February 18, 2009. On 3/5/09 National Geographic On Demand will cease to exist as a separate channel. Its programming will move to News & World On Demand. On or after, March 15, 2009, the following services will be added to Standard HD: Palladia HD, Discovery HD, USA HD, Sci-Fi HD, and Disney HD.


WQLN/PBS/54 will be added as a Digital Access channel 0n 2/18/09 in some areas. On 3/31/09, WDLI/TBN/17 will be added to Basic Service in these same areas.


Where it is carried, MoviePlex will be dropped from the Expanded Basic line-up on, or after 3/15/09. At that same time, RetroPlex will be added to the line-up on the Movie Tier.



The following changes will take place on, or after, 3/15/09: In the Cadiz, Hopedale, Jewett, and Scio systems, MoviePlex will be dropped from the Expanded Basic Line-up. In Cadiz, RetroPlex will be added to Digital Basic.



* Changes will vary by service area. Not all services available in all areas.

Look at all the wiggle room they left. And nowhere did it say Chiller by 2/18.

You have quite an imagination, nickdawg.:D

They have changed that page since 2/18. Before that it said the usual "on or after" February 18, 2009 CNBC World will be dropped from digital service and Chiller will be added.

It said "on or after" and the channel was there on 2/18, A little "after" for cable card viewers.

Primetime On Demand. It also showed up when they said it would. A little later for some, but that's not the point.

Sometimes I think you say these things on purpose, just to get a response. Just to get me going! ;)

No. I'm mostly referring to some of the other weekday afternoon reruns like Yes Dear, Just Shoot Me, Home Improvement. Shows that I doubt were neither shot in 16:9 nor would they want to bother transferring them to HD.
Some of those (Yes Dear, Just Shoot Me) were originally in HD in first run network showings, I don't know if TBS has HD versions.

Some of those (Yes Dear, Just Shoot Me) were originally in HD in first run network showings, I don't know if TBS has HD versions.

Yes Dear might have been HD since it was on CBS from 2000-2006. And most of those shows(Raymond, Becker, King Of Queens) were HD back then. I don't think TBS shows the HD versions, as I've seen that King Of Queens is stretched.

Just Shoot Me was on NBC from 1997-2003, I don't think that one was HD. Even Will & Grace was not HD when it ended in 2006.

TBS still has a pretty small HD sitcom lineup: Seinfeld, Raymond, The Office(tuesdays) and original programming.

They have changed that page since 2/18. Before that it said the usual "on or after" February 18, 2009 CNBC World will be dropped from digital service and Chiller will be added.

It said "on or after" and the channel was there on 2/18, A little "after" for cable card viewers.

Sure it did nickdawg! I believe that like I believe in Santa Clause. TW is not, repeat, not known for updating their web sites. Chiller still isn't even listed on their channel guide.




Sometimes I think you say these things on purpose, just to get a response. Just to get me going! ;)

I have no idea what gets you going. Sometimes I think I do but then you don't respond. That's usually when your wrong which happens quite a bit.:D;)

I'm just really pessimistic when it comes to cable companies, and I admit I may be a little harder on TW then I should be. Look at all the loop holes they put in that statement. You could drive a Mac Truck through them.

Here's what I think happened. We had a forum member mention that a CSR rep told him that day that Chiller was going to be available on HD. You hit the ceiling, remember that? I think that since that time you got it in your head that it said it was adding Chiller.

Matter of fact, I know that's what happened. Take a look here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15809040&postcount=17146). This is the original post. No mention of Chiller!!!

Sure it did nickdawg! I believe that like I believe in Santa Clause. TW is not, repeat, not known for updating their web sites. Chiller still isn't even listed on their channel guide.

Yes it is. I looked at both of my guides, both have the channel and program data.

I have no idea what gets you going. Sometimes I think I do but then you don't respond. That's usually when your wrong which happens quite a bit.:D;)

I'm just really pessimistic when it comes to cable companies, and I admit I may be a little harder on TW then I should be. Look at all the loop holes they put in that statement. You could drive a Mac Truck through them.

Here's what I think happened. We had a forum member mention that a CSR rep told him that day that Chiller was going to be available on HD. You hit the ceiling, remember that? I think that since that time you got it in your head that it said it was adding Chiller.

Matter of fact, I know that's what happened. Take a look here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15809040&postcount=17146). This is the original post. No mention of Chiller!!!

On 2/17/09, CNBC World will be dropped from the line-up, and replaced with Chiller.

Umm, I see a mention of Chiller right there. How is that NOT mentioning Chiller when they say CNBC world is being replaced with Chiller? On 2/17. So I was one day off.

I never understand that. You do want new HD, right? But you seem to be talking against TWC and "that's not going to happen". Why not? They said they were replacing CNBC World with Chiller on 2/17, and they replaced CBNC World with Chiller on 2/17.

You altered that post! :o. I don't know how I missed it.

I'm telling you 223 is not on the guide. Look at City of Cleveland.

I never understand that. You do want new HD, right? But you seem to be talking against TWC and "that's not going to happen". Why not? They said they were replacing CNBC World with Chiller on 2/17, and they replaced CBNC World with Chiller on 2/17.

Maybe he's just trying to be realistic and not blissfully ignorant? ;) Hell, I would love to own a Lamborghini but I know I'll never own one in my lifetime. Am I being hypocritical? No, just realistic. :P

You altered that post! :o. I don't know how I missed it.

I'm telling you 223 is not on the guide. Look at City of Cleveland.

How do I go about doing that? I don't live in the City of Cleveland! :p

Maybe he's just trying to be realistic and not blissfully ignorant? ;) Hell, I would love to own a Lamborghini but I know I'll never own one in my lifetime. Am I being hypocritical? No, just realistic. :P

Well, it keeps me going and makes me happy now that it is March. Tomorrow morning, I can cross off the calendar and have on 13 days until new HD!! :D:D:D:D

How do I go about doing that? I don't live in the City of Cleveland! :p

You go to the guide, pick Geauga County and choose Bainbridge. That's where I live.

You go to the guide, pick Geauga County and choose Bainbridge. That's where I live.

Ohhhh, the Channel Guides at twcguide.

Akron:

http://www.twclineup.com/lineups0208/TWNEO5935AkronMigrationLU021908.pdf

Bainbridge:

http://www.twclineup.com/lineups0208/TWNEO5935SuburbanCleveland3MigrationLU022008.pdf

Cleveland:

http://www.twclineup.com/lineups0208/TWNEO5935CityofClevelandMigrationLU021908.pdf

Nobody has it listed yet.

I think we will find out on 3/15 won't we?;):D

Hey. If I wake up 3/15 and see Discovery HD, I'll be extremely happy. Mythbusters is starting the new season soon. :D

But yes, we'll wait and see.

I just hate to see someone get their hopes up only to be shot down by evil cable.:)

This was posted on the Erie, PA Forum about new HD channels being added by Time Waner NE Ohio/NW PA..


"We will be adding the following HD channels in late March -
Discovery
USA
Sci Fi
Disney
Palladis (MTV music video programming)

Tentatively in late April:
Bravo
CNBC
TLC
Animal Planet
ABC Family
ESPN News
MLB"

Hey. If I wake up 3/15 and see Discovery HD, I'll be extremely happy. Mythbusters is starting the new season soon. :D


I'm interested in seeing what those small, less expensive HD cameras look like on the air. I've caught what looks like a mix of 3-chip and single-chip HD cameras being used, probably something like the Panasonic HVX series among others. HD is becoming far less expensive to produce than it used to be, so we're seeing a plethora of small handheld cameras being used on remotes.

I'm interested in seeing what those small, less expensive HD cameras look like on the air. I've caught what looks like a mix of 3-chip and single-chip HD cameras being used, probably something like the Panasonic HVX series among others. HD is becoming far less expensive to produce than it used to be, so we're seeing a plethora of small handheld cameras being used on remotes.

Well, my brother in Columbus has Discovery HD and a native 1920x1080 50" plasma and I have watched a number of episodes of both Mythbusters and Dirty Jobs in segments where those types of cameras have been used (more specifically the consumer level AVCHD flash based cameras in select shots on Dirty Jobs) and it doesn't look all that bad really. Not as sharp as the more high end cameras, but surprisingly decent. But considering it's AVC mpeg4 based, that's to be expected.

WVIZ is on it's fundraising kick again, and the geniuses there have preempted the intelligent conversation of Charlie Rose in exchange for Suze Orman's infomercial "Women & Money" and "Finding Your Own True Love with Dr. Diana". My god. :shudder:

Fortunately we have a PBS alternative. I'm watching Charlie Rose on WEAO instead.

Fortunately we have a PBS alternative. I'm watching Charlie Rose on WEAO instead.

Is it shown correctly or is it in WNEO's super special "Expando Vision"? :D

I was just looking at nickdawgs location. You know if that merge hadn't occurred you would have had SDV by now and probably all the channels Columbus has.

I'll bet you feel anamosity towards ex Adelphia because they are holding youu back from getting your SDV and HD lineups. Hence all the frequent hostility in your posts. But keep in mind Navigator was a piece of garbage TW was going to send to you anyway. That had nothing to do with the Adelphia acquisition. Also keep in mind that some people, myself in particular, do take a certain amount of perverted joy in watching you got stir crazy over all of these matters that you can't control.

Have a nice day nickdawg.:)

I was just looking at nickdawgs location. You know if that merge hadn't occurred you would have had SDV by now and probably all the channels Columbus has.

I'll bet you feel anamosity towards ex Adelphia because they are holding youu back from getting your SDV and HD lineups. Hence all the frequent hostility in your posts. But keep in mind Navigator was a piece of garbage TW was going to send to you anyway. That had nothing to do with the Adelphia acquisition. Also keep in mind that some people, myself in particular, do take a certain amount of perverted joy in watching you got stir crazy over all of these matters that you can't control.

Have a nice day nickdawg.:)

That was odd.

And hells yeah I feel animosity. It's not about Navigator. Notice my new line "I WANT ODN 3". ODN 3 is the newer, updated version of Navigator for OCAP boxes. From what I've heard it is supposed to be far superior to the current version. I've made my peace with Navigator, as sooner or later EVERYONE will get it. Even SARA areas if/when the 'new' DVRs are deployed.

My anger is not so much at the customers, we're all the same, a cheap, pathetic company dragging us around by the balls. It's all you, TWC. I disagree with their policy and their suit, aka the JASS-HOLE. I disagree with this "one world, unified system". They're not the same!! Some areas still have VOD on channel 1, some areas have individual channels. Why they hell aren't they waiting to add VOD channels until "all systems are the same"? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

What the JASS-HOLE is forgetting as that there are many people in the original TWC area who have been customers for years. Now I'm kinda young so I don't really apply to that situation as much. But my parents have had cable since the 80s. I'm sure many mature members here have also been long-time TWC subscribers in the original areas. All these years we have been paying their salaries. We have been paying to fund these upgrades. And what do we get for all this money: A system with SDV active, except the only SDV channels are sports tier, foreign language and the horror movie version of TV Land. Oh yeah, and the Indians channel HD Net and HD Net Movies. WHOOPEE!!!! WE pay all this money for this crappy service, expecting new HD channels. They claim to "not have the capacity". Bull F***ing S***.

At least they are throwing us a bone with a few new channels on March 15. That's only 12 days away. :D

But remember, this dawg is a Pitbull. Once the "march 15 distraction" wears off, I'll be back, barking louder than before!

That was odd.

And hells yeah I feel animosity. It's not about Navigator. Notice my new line "I WANT ODN 3". ODN 3 is the newer, updated version of Navigator for OCAP boxes. From what I've heard it is supposed to be far superior to the current version. I've made my peace with Navigator, as sooner or later EVERYONE will get it. Even SARA areas if/when the 'new' DVRs are deployed.

My anger is not so much at the customers, we're all the same, a cheap, pathetic company dragging us around by the balls. It's all you, TWC. I disagree with their policy and their suit, aka the JASS-HOLE. I disagree with this "one world, unified system". They're not the same!! Some areas still have VOD on channel 1, some areas have individual channels. Why they hell aren't they waiting to add VOD channels until "all systems are the same"? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

What the JASS-HOLE is forgetting as that there are many people in the original TWC area who have been customers for years. Now I'm kinda young so I don't really apply to that situation as much. But my parents have had cable since the 80s. I'm sure many mature members here have also been long-time TWC subscribers in the original areas. All these years we have been paying their salaries. We have been paying to fund these upgrades. And what do we get for all this money: A system with SDV active, except the only SDV channels are sports tier, foreign language and the horror movie version of TV Land. Oh yeah, and the Indians channel HD Net and HD Net Movies. WHOOPEE!!!! WE pay all this money for this crappy service, expecting new HD channels. They claim to "not have the capacity". Bull F***ing S***.

Eventually all the PPV channels, everything will be the same.
At least they are throwing us a bone with a few new channels on March 15. That's only 12 days away. :D

But remember, this dawg is a Pitbull. Once the "march 15 distraction" wears off, I'll be back, barking louder than before!

Heh heh heh.....I love it when a plan comes together!:D;)

See nickdawg you are a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with TWC. One moment you love them, the next you hate them. That's why people say you keep changing your position on things all the time.

OK, enough of jerking your tail. The point is they want everybody to have all these things but they have to pull the system together to do it. It's not impossible, just difficult. And because of US (ex Adelphia) YOU have to wait, as Jascoe said.

Eventually those On Demand channels, which I don't care about anyway will be on the same channels. When they do that and somehow put SARA on Navigator that's when SDV will be deployed.

I'm starting to think Fall again.

Hey, did you see the post about the Erie People? They may have SDV before us because they are in a different state?

WVIZ is on it's fundraising kick again, and the geniuses there have preempted the intelligent conversation of Charlie Rose in exchange for Suze Orman's infomercial "Women & Money" and "Finding Your Own True Love with Dr. Diana". My god. :shudder:

Fortunately we have a PBS alternative. I'm watching Charlie Rose on WEAO instead.

PBS?? What's that... oh yeah I have to watch that in analog... (sipping from my WVIZ coffee mug) :)

You have a PBS alternative, I don't :(

Where's THIS!??? I'll be watching that banner I suspect till August?

& who's this Sara chick you guys keep talking about!? ;)

Hey, did you see the post about the Erie People? They may have SDV before us because they are in a different state?

They don't have SDV "before us" because I have SDV right now. They also can't have any more channels because they are part of TWC NEO. And "that's not fair to other customers". ;);););)

Or maybe the JASS-HOLE will add more channels, in areas with SDV. Erie has SDV, Akron has SDV, Canton has SDV and original TWC in Y-Town has SDV. Oh yeah, and New Philadelphia. If they try to add any channels in that SDV area, they'd have to do the same in our SDV areas.

I saw it on the Erie thread. Very doubtful though, as somebod claims it is from an email. Like TWC has been truthful about HD channels in emails or on the phone before! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I DO believe that we wills ee 5 new channels on March 15, as it is an official press release/legal notice.

The Channels coming in April :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: to TWC:
(from the Erie thread)

Tentatively in late April:
Bravo
CNBC
TLC
Animal Planet
ABC Family
ESPN News
MLB

I'm with Hookbill for once. I'm calling BS. Plus, I HOPE it is not true. All of those channels except for MLB I'd NEVER want to see on my lineup. They can't add F/X but they can add that crap!!

They don't have SDV "before us" because I have SDV right now. They also can't have any more channels because they are part of TWC NEO. And "that's not fair to other customers". ;);););)

Or maybe the JASS-HOLE will add more channels, in areas with SDV. Erie has SDV, Akron has SDV, Canton has SDV and original TWC in Y-Town has SDV. Oh yeah, and New Philadelphia. If they try to add any channels in that SDV area, they'd have to do the same in our SDV areas.

I saw it on the Erie thread. Very doubtful though, as somebod claims it is from an email. Like TWC has been truthful about HD channels in emails or on the phone before! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I DO believe that we wills ee 5 new channels on March 15, as it is an official press release/legal notice.

Well, you got SDV true but they are not putting it to any practical use in regards to what it's suppose to be for, and that is providing more "Quality" HD channels.

And don't forget that notice said "On or after."

Geeze, nickdawg, I just don't want to get up on 3/16 and see you with 15 posts all saying ***** TW ***** J******* ******!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

The Channels coming in April :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: to TWC:
(from the Erie thread)

Tentatively in late April:
Bravo
CNBC
TLC
Animal Planet
ABC Family
ESPN News
MLB

I'm with Hookbill for once. I'm calling BS. Plus, I HOPE it is not true. All of those channels except for MLB I'd NEVER want to see on my lineup. They can't add F/X but they can add that crap!!

Yeah, well I saw an asterisk next to MLB and I wonder if that's MLB EXTRA INNINGS, not MLB Network.

I'm thinking about MLB Extra Innings, but if they still want 175 bucks on it they must be high. Don't they know there's a recession going on?

I don't think MLB Network is part of that package. But it could be...

Recently there was a "free preview" of NHL Center Ice on TWC. At the same time, NHLNET on channel 325 was also on. Usually that channel has the call cable number on screen. So I think that might be part of some package. But how douchey of TWC woud that be to put MLB in some "tier" or "package".

I hate that! Flip through the 100, 200, 300s and you'll see that some channels just do not come in. They have the "Call Cable" phone number on screen because they are part of some BS tier. That's crap, as much as we pay , ALL channels outside of PPV, premium and sports packages should be watchable.

(Hopefully Hookbill and others with Tivo will be able to comment to this...)

Alright, here goes... A few weeks ago we got a TivoHD box and had TW install a cablecard. The install went suprisingly well, they brought out an M card and all channels came in great and all was right with the world (well, at least in my living room.) :)

Last weekend we moved (from East Akron to Copley-Fairlawn area) and that's when the problems began. Aside from missing an install time, the contractor-installer finally showed up Monday afternoon. While he was there, he apparently had never seen a Tivo box before and went so far as to say "is that thing legal?" Hmmm. (I was unfortunately not there for the actual install.) It was explained to him that we were using a "c-a-b-l-e-c-a-r-d". Anyway they hooked up and left.

So I get home that night, turn on the tv, and started to notice that some of the channels were missing (showing on guide, but when tuned, were blank). First thing I thought was that the new account was not permissioned properly so I call customer service. Sweet girl, first thing of course was "let me send you a signal". Alright. Now turn your Tivo and TV off. Okay. Turn it back on. Same channels missing.

"Let me send you to our cablecard department". (Which was apparantly out of the area with a different telephone number.) Next lady who asks me my zip code promptly tells me my area now has switched digital video and I'll be requiring the tuning adaptor. She said either go to TW's website to go on a waiting list or go to the office and pick one up at the counter.

I go to the office today and ask for the (golden) tuning adapter. Of course they don't have any. She said all the screen is telling her is that they are "coming soon." :confused: So I ask, "now what do I do? I'm missing a good percentage of my channels and no way to get them because SDV has been implemented but without the proper equipment for me to see it". So she spoke to her supervisor and they came up with the plan that they'll give me an HD DVR for free for two months and by that time the tuning adaptor "should" be available.

She also did admit she's getting more and more questions from Tivo customers lately...

It's been a fun past couple of days. :rolleyes:

Don't be angry at all. The fact your area has SDV is a GOOD THING. SDV will (eventually) mean more HDTV channels will be added to the lineup.

Oh I know in the end it's a good thing. It's just getting there is the hard part, AND they gave me a 8300 HDC. The same crappy box I got rid of to get Tivo. Oh well...

(Hopefully Hookbill and others with Tivo will be able to comment to this...)

Alright, here goes... A few weeks ago we got a TivoHD box and had TW install a cablecard. The install went suprisingly well, they brought out an M card and all channels came in great and all was right with the world (well, at least in my living room.) :)

Last weekend we moved (from East Akron to Copley-Fairlawn area) and that's when the problems began. Aside from missing an install time, the contractor-installer finally showed up Monday afternoon. While he was there, he apparently had never seen a Tivo box before and went so far as to say "is that thing legal?" Hmmm. (I was unfortunately not there for the actual install.) It was explained to him that we were using a "c-a-b-l-e-c-a-r-d". Anyway they hooked up and left.

So I get home that night, turn on the tv, and started to notice that some of the channels were missing (showing on guide, but when tuned, were blank). First thing I thought was that the new account was not permissioned properly so I call customer service. Sweet girl, first thing of course was "let me send you a signal". Alright. Now turn your Tivo and TV off. Okay. Turn it back on. Same channels missing.

"Let me send you to our cablecard department". (Which was apparantly out of the area with a different telephone number.) Next lady who asks me my zip code promptly tells me my area now has switched digital video and I'll be requiring the tuning adaptor. She said either go to TW's website to go on a waiting list or go to the office and pick one up at the counter.

I go to the office today and ask for the (golden) tuning adapter. Of course they don't have any. She said all the screen is telling her is that they are "coming soon." :confused: So I ask, "now what do I do? I'm missing a good percentage of my channels and no way to get them because SDV has been implemented but without the proper equipment for me to see it". So she spoke to her supervisor and they came up with the plan that they'll give me an HD DVR for free for two months and by that time the tuning adaptor "should" be available.

She also did admit she's getting more and more questions from Tivo customers lately...

It's been a fun past couple of days. :rolleyes:

Well the good news is that TW does have the tuning adapters and they should be handing them out soon.

I posted about this a little while back. I got a call from a contact I have in head end on another issue I was having and she told me the tuning adapters had arrived, and were in the warehouse. Distribution should start after the techs get training.

You just had a bad tech. Most of them know about TiVo now. He probably made a call while he was at your house otherwise he wouldn't have been able to start the unit.

The bad news is for you SDV has already started in your area and indeed your choices are limited at this point. My suggestion is that you go to your local office in person and have them look into it. Let them know that you know for a fact that they have arrived in the warehouse. They should at least look into it for you and tell you if they can give you one or give you a time frame when you should get it.

What channels are you missing? The only channels currently on SDV that everyone gets are:

185-194 Shopping channels
223 Chiller
329-G4
330-Outdoor channel
435-STO HD
471-HD Net
472-HD Net Movies

The rest of the SDV channels are foreign language and sports tier channels in the 700s. That's hardly a "good percentage".

Do you subscribe to any sports channels in the 700s? If you do, I'd try to get a refund for that.

Hookbill, I might try that. I work down the street from the North Canton office. I would think out of ALL of offices that warehouse would have them. Interesting to know they are in their hands. That's promising...

What channels are you missing? The only channels currently on SDV that everyone gets are:

185-194 Shopping channels
223 Chiller
329-G4
330-Outdoor channel
435-STO HD
471-HD Net
472-HD Net Movies

The rest of the SDV channels are foreign language and sports tier channels in the 700s. That's hardly a "good percentage".

Do you subscribe to any sports channels in the 700s? If you do, I'd try to get a refund for that.

Oh, that's less channels then what I thought at this point. Kind of indicates at least to me that they are testing live more then implementation.

Hookbill, I might try that. I work down the street from the North Canton office. I would think out of ALL of offices that warehouse would have them. Interesting to know they are in their hands. That's promising...

Well, keep in mind what I find out more or less is the area in ex Adelphia land. I can't say for certain they are in your area.

You would think they should be since they are already using SDV. There is also a link you can go to to request a tuning adapter, I think nickdawg knows where that is but personally I doubt it will get one to you any faster.

The squeaky wheel gets greased!:)

Nickdawg, I don't recall specifics, but the missing channels were scattered through the 100's, 200's, 300's and 400's. I subscribe to the digital package and the basic level HD tier. No extra pays. I'll check and get you a full list of MIA's when I get home tonight. Thanks...

Nickdawg, I don't recall specifics, but the missing channels were scattered through the 100's, 200's, 300's and 400's. I subscribe to the digital package and the basic level HD tier. No extra pays. I'll check and get you a full list of MIA's when I get home tonight. Thanks...

If you're missing more that that, something else might be wrong. Also, how does Tivo handle "unsubscribed" channels? Is there any kind of message or just a blank screen?

Some of those missing channels may be ones you don't subscribe to. Not that many channels are on SDV. It's been that way since they began the project. See the attached list of SDV channels. The ones with the * are currently SDV.

Here's the form for the FREE:mad: Tuning Adapter.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/learn/cable/sdv/ordersdv.html

I don't think these things should be free. More like $29.95! :p

If you're missing more that that, something else might be wrong. Also, how does Tivo handle "unsubscribed" channels? Is there any kind of message or just a blank screen?

Some of those missing channels may be ones you don't subscribe to. Not that many channels are on SDV. It's been that way since they began the project. See the attached list of SDV channels. The ones with the * are currently SDV.

Looking at that list I see quite a few channels that I believe are analog in our area. Analog channels would not be subject to SDV since well, they are not digital.:)

I know you have all digital in your area 'dawg, are any of those channels mirror and if they are, wouldn't they be SDV too?

185 Access TV*
186 Shopping*
187 Cable Response TV*
188 Gems TV*
189 America's Auction Network*
190 Hollywood Celebrity Products*
191 Celebrity Shopping*
192 TV Superstore*
193 The Jewelry Channel*
194 Shoping*
281 Sundance
282 Flix*
290 Encore*
291 Encore Love*
292 Encore Mysteries*
293 Encore Drama*
294 Encore WAM!*
295 Encore Westerns*
296 Encore Action*
319 FCS Atlantic*
320 FCS Central*
321 FCS Pacific*
322 College Sports TV*
324 NHL Network*
325 NBA TV*
327 Tennis Channel
328 Fuel TV*
329 G4*
330 Outdoor Channel*
350 CNN
351 Headline News
352 Fox News
354 MSNBC
355 CNBC
370 Weather Channel
385 EWTN
399 TWC Infomercials
435 STOHD*
436 FSN HD
470 Universal HD
471 HDNet*
472 HDNet Movies*
473 Mojo
610 HBO W
611 HBO2 W
612 HBO Signature W
613 HBO Family W
614 HBO Comedy W
615 HBO Zone W
710 HD PPV Events*
741-754 NHL Center Ice/MLB*
761-770 NBA/MLS Sport Packages*
781-786 ESPN GamePlan / Full Court*
801 GalaVision*
805 mun2*
806 Canal Sur*
807 Cnn en Espanol*
808 History en Espanol*
809 Discover en Espanol*
810 La Familia*
811 Toon Disney en Espanol*
812 Boomerang en Espanol*
813 ESPN Deportes*
814 Fox Sports en Espanol*
815 MTV Tr3s*
816 CineLatino*
850 International MOD
851 ART Arabic*
852 RAI International*
853 TV Asia*
854 DW TV
855 Zee TV
857 Filipino Channel
858 TV5Monde
859 TV Japan
860 TV Russia

The only thing that would concern me on that list is STOHD without a tuner adapter. Cutting off HD baseball would get me p.o.'d.

And as far as your thoughts on "cost" it's none of your concern. FCC said they have to distribute them and TW, being customer friendly in this rare case is distributing them freely.

We thought they would charge us originally around 8 bucks a month.:eek:

What are the asterisks for? Some of these channels on steroids?:D:D

The news channels that are "mirror" channels are still NON SDV. I hope they stay that way too. It was a really stupid move to put those channels on SDV.

As far as the adapters, I think TWC should charge for them. Luckily they already charge for cable cards. But it would be nice for tuning adapters too!! :D:D:D:D

What are the asterisks for? Some of these channels on steroids?:D:D

No, all the ones with asterisks are currently in SDv. The ones without asterisks are not on SDV, but were originally announde that they were going SDV.

We need some steroids for TWC NEO. Maybe it would help give them the "capacity" to add channels. :D:D:D:D:D

You see TW is not doing their customers any favor by putting some of those channels on SDV without distributing the tuner adapter. What if you are a hockey or NBA fan and you subscribed for the season. Well now you're sol because they put them on SDV and I'll bet you they will not refund the money. If that's the case that just isn't right.

And why do you want to charge for something that we pay for anyway and they simply are taking away our ability to receive the channel. They should give those tuning adapters away.

You're evil, nickdawg.:p

..Because I don't think I should have to pay for THEIR adapters. These people can spend HUNDREDS on equipment and extra service, then whine about having to pay $8? :confused: Normally I'm not a supporter of big business, but I am in this case. If I have to pay TWC tons for their $H!TTY service, so does everyone else!! :p

..Because I don't think I should have to pay for THEIR adapters. These people can spend HUNDREDS on equipment and extra service, then whine about having to pay $8? :confused: Normally I'm not a supporter of big business, but I am in this case. If I have to pay TWC tons for their $H!TTY service, so does everyone else!! :p

FYI: They get their 28 bucks for install of cable card. I didn't pay because I complained to Fry. Feel better now? G)

Great, another usual melange of guessing, speculation and sniping about SDV, backed by nearly no facts, with an impatient person using profanity to refer to people.

What fun!

Ah, just the usual here. :D

After tonight, only one more week of Dirty Jobs in analog. :D:D:D:D:D

Last weekend we moved (from East Akron to Copley-Fairlawn area) and that's when the problems began.

Hmm. Where in that area? Do you know if you're in the former Adelphia area or in the "legacy" TWC area?

I think Fairlawn is the latter, and Copley is the former...

You can quickly tell by seeing what's on analog channel 2...if it's WVIZ, you're ex-Adelphia. If it's WKYC, you're legacy TWC...

Great, another usual melange of guessing, speculation and sniping about SDV, backed by nearly no facts, with an impatient person using profanity to refer to people.

What fun!

Ah, just the usual here. :D

You show a smile but I sense a frown.

Our discussion, while it does have the usual banter and nickdawgs disregard for others feelings, hasn't been based upon ignorance of SDV.

Nickdawg is actually giving us some useful info showing us those channels.

Nickdawg is actually giving us some useful info showing us those channels.

Quite frankly, I don't know if it means anything...it certainly doesn't here in the old Adelphia side of things.

And I'm tiring of his act, frankly.

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel! :p

Thanks for the enlightment inundated, I'm in Copley and yes WVIZ is indeed on channel 2 now. Where I was, position 2 was WKYC. I was wondering why some of the lower channels had moved their positions. So I'm ex-Adelphia now. Well the news just keeps getting better! :D

Here's my list of missing channels:

102 Toon Disney
104 Nick Toons
105 The N
107 Noggin
108 PBS Kids Sprout
109 Boomerang
110 Nick Too
111 Discovery Kids
115 American Life
132 Science Channel
134 Nat'l Geograpic
136 History International
137 Military Channel
139 Investigation Discovery
140 BIO
152 Discovery Health
153 Fit TV
156 Planet Green
157 DIY
158 Fine Living
177 Shop NBC
194 Shopping Plus
210 Ovation
213 SoapNet
214 WE
218 Villiage TV
219 GSN
225 BBC America
226 Current TV
227 LOGO
228 Fox Reality
254 CMT
255 GAC
256 BET Jazz
257 Gospel Music Channel
258 Fuse
259 MTV Jams
278 Lifetime Movie Network
279 Fox Movie Channel
303 ESPN U
304 ESPN Classic
305 ESPNews
323 Versus
328 Fuel TV
329 G4
330 Outdoor Channel
353 Fox Business
356 Bloomberg
357 CNN International
360 CSPAN2
361 CSPAN3
362 Ohio News Network
391 TBN
430 ESPN HD
431 ESPN2 HD
433 Big Ten Network HD
435 SportsTime Ohio HD
436 Cavaliers HD
437 HD Sports
441 TNT HD
442 TBS HD
444 A&E HD
445 HGTV HD
446 Food HD
447 History HD
448 HD Theater

I did sign up on TW website for the tuning adapter and I agree Hookbill, that it probably won't make it appear any sooner. ;) And no, Nickdawg, we shouldn't have to pay for it. :rolleyes: The people with Tivo's are a very small percentage of Time Warner's total customer base, and it's just good PR and customer service!

Thanks for the enlightment inundated, I'm in Copley and yes WVIZ is indeed on channel 2 now. Where I was, position 2 was WKYC. I was wondering why some of the lower channels had moved their positions. So I'm ex-Adelphia now. Well the news just keeps getting better! :D

I would rather doubt then that SDV is the problem. Most ex Adelphia areas are on SARA and have not converted to SDV.

Do you have any other sets that are hooked up to a regular converter box? Because it sounds to me like your cable card is not hooked up correctly if you're not getting those channels. If you have a regular cable box check the diagnostic screen to see what type of software they are running. SARA is not on SDV. They have not made a decision on what they are going to to with SARA as of last I heard on Saturday night.

If you have a 4250 box you should be able to access your diagnostic screen by pressing on the box the select key until the envelope appears then press info. If that doesn't work you probably have navigator and you press the down arrow instead.

If you don't have a box I don't know what to tell you. You got to be able to see that diagnostic screen to see if you have SDV. Or compare it to the list that was sent out earlier.

A bad cable card install could be the reason why you are not getting all your channels as well. That's why I say have them stay there and go through all the channels with you.

Here's my list of missing channels:

102 Toon Disney
104 Nick Toons
105 The N
107 Noggin
108 PBS Kids Sprout
109 Boomerang
110 Nick Too
111 Discovery Kids
115 American Life
132 Science Channel
134 Nat'l Geograpic
136 History International
137 Military Channel
139 Investigation Discovery
140 BIO
152 Discovery Health
153 Fit TV
156 Planet Green
157 DIY
158 Fine Living
177 Shop NBC
194 Shopping Plus
210 Ovation
213 SoapNet
214 WE
218 Villiage TV
219 GSN
225 BBC America
226 Current TV
227 LOGO
228 Fox Reality
254 CMT
255 GAC
256 BET Jazz
257 Gospel Music Channel
258 Fuse
259 MTV Jams
278 Lifetime Movie Network
279 Fox Movie Channel
303 ESPN U
304 ESPN Classic
305 ESPNews
323 Versus
328 Fuel TV
329 G4
330 Outdoor Channel
353 Fox Business
356 Bloomberg
357 CNN International
360 CSPAN2
361 CSPAN3
362 Ohio News Network
391 TBN
430 ESPN HD
431 ESPN2 HD
433 Big Ten Network HD
435 SportsTime Ohio HD
436 Cavaliers HD
437 HD Sports
441 TNT HD
442 TBS HD
444 A&E HD
445 HGTV HD
446 Food HD
447 History HD
448 HD Theater

I did sign up on TW website for the tuning adapter and I agree Hookbill, that it probably won't make it appear any sooner. ;) And no, Nickdawg, we shouldn't have to pay for it. :rolleyes: The people with Tivo's are a very small percentage of Time Warner's total customer base, and it's just good PR and customer service!


That's got to be a bad install. Those channels are not all on SDV.

Ed, do you have a home theater? If you are getting PCM 48 on the lower 100 channels that is analog and you definitely are not on SDV.

I got an email address I can give you but lets see what's going on with your status and SDV. I think that cable card specialist may have been wrong, just going by zip codes. Some areas may have SDV, others may not.

Do you have any other sets that are hooked up to a regular converter box? Because it sounds to me like your cable card is not hooked up correctly if you're not getting those channels. If you have a regular cable box check the diagnostic screen to see what type of software they are running. SARA is not on SDV. They have not made a decision on what they are going to to with SARA as of last I heard on Saturday night.

A bad cable card install could be the reason why you are not getting all your channels as well. That's why I say have them stay there and go through all the channels with you.

No not yet. Like I said earlier, they gave me an 8300 HDC box yesterday and I am going to try to hook it up tonight. On that box, do you know how I get to diagnostics and what should I be looking for?


I got an email address I can give you but lets see what's going on with your status and SDV. I think that cable card specialist may have been wrong, just going by zip codes. Some areas may have SDV, others may not.

That's what I'm beginning to think too; bad cablecard setup. Especially going from Legacy TWC to ex-Adelphia. Wouldn't the cablecard need to be reconfigured? And if so, can they do it with me over the phone, or would that require a truck roll? They are coming back Monday to finish the upstairs outlets...

Thanks for all the troubleshooting guys is really appreciated. It's ashame I can't get the same service from TW themselves. :confused:

Ed, do you have a home theater? If you are getting PCM 48 on the lower 100 channels that is analog and you definitely are not on SDV.


No, but that's on my "toys to get" list. :D Can't wait to have great sound to match the great HD picture! Right now I have a pretty crappy Samsung Theater in a Box.

No not yet. Like I said earlier, they gave me an 8300 HDC box yesterday and I am going to try to hook it up tonight. On that box, do you know how I get to diagnostics and what should I be looking for?


I got an email address I can give you but lets see what's going on with your status and SDV. I think that cable card specialist may have been wrong, just going by zip codes. Some areas may have SDV, others may not.

That's what I'm beginning to think too; bad cablecard setup. Especially going from Legacy TWC to ex-Adelphia. Wouldn't the cablecard need to be reconfigured? And if so, can they do it with me over the phone, or would that require a truck roll? They are coming back Monday to finish the upstairs outlets...

Thanks for all the troubleshooting guys is really appreciated. It's ashame I can't get the same service from TW themselves. :confused:

Same instructions as for the box. If you are running Navigator in your area chances are you have SDV.

No, but that's on my "toys to get" list. :D Can't wait to have great sound to match the great HD picture! Right now I have a pretty crappy Samsung Theater in a Box.
No wonder it sounds crappy. You have to take it out of the box! :D

No wonder it sounds crappy. You have to take it out of the box! :D

There's one in every crowd.:)

No wonder it sounds crappy. You have to take it out of the box! :D

Lol, so that's why! :D

Of course, because of the move, most everything is in a box right now...

Here's my list of missing channels:

102 Toon Disney
104 Nick Toons
105 The N
107 Noggin
108 PBS Kids Sprout
109 Boomerang
110 Nick Too
111 Discovery Kids
115 American Life
132 Science Channel
134 Nat'l Geograpic
136 History International
137 Military Channel
139 Investigation Discovery
140 BIO
152 Discovery Health
153 Fit TV
156 Planet Green
157 DIY
158 Fine Living
177 Shop NBC
194 Shopping Plus
210 Ovation
213 SoapNet
214 WE
218 Villiage TV
219 GSN
225 BBC America
226 Current TV
227 LOGO
228 Fox Reality
254 CMT
255 GAC
256 BET Jazz
257 Gospel Music Channel
258 Fuse
259 MTV Jams
278 Lifetime Movie Network
279 Fox Movie Channel
303 ESPN U
304 ESPN Classic
305 ESPNews
323 Versus
328 Fuel TV
329 G4
330 Outdoor Channel
353 Fox Business
356 Bloomberg
357 CNN International
360 CSPAN2
361 CSPAN3
362 Ohio News Network
391 TBN
430 ESPN HD
431 ESPN2 HD
433 Big Ten Network HD
435 SportsTime Ohio HD
436 Cavaliers HD
437 HD Sports
441 TNT HD
442 TBS HD
444 A&E HD
445 HGTV HD
446 Food HD
447 History HD
448 HD Theater



Something's wrong with your level of service. The channels you listed are above the basic service tier. Some are Digital Tier, Sports Tier or Choice Tier. Those HDTV channels are supposed to be included at no additional charge.

The HDTV channels should be working. Anything else you listed costs extra. I only have the channels in red as a part of the Digital Tier I have always had. I refuse to pay for the green and cyan channels that are part of the "Choice Tier" and "Sports Tier". Each one is $5.

No, but that's on my "toys to get" list. :D Can't wait to have great sound to match the great HD picture! Right now I have a pretty crappy Samsung Theater in a Box.

No wonder it sounds crappy. You have to take it out of the box! :D

It's like having a CD changer and subwoofers in your trunk. Who the hell wants to listen to music in the trunk? :rolleyes: :p:p:p:p:p:p:p :D

Something's wrong with your level of service. The channels you listed are above the basic service tier. Some are Digital Tier, Sports Tier or Choice Tier. Those HDTV channels are supposed to be included at no additional charge.

The HDTV channels should be working. Anything else you listed costs extra. I only have the channels in red as a part of the Digital Tier I have always had. I refuse to pay for the green and cyan channels that are part of the "Choice Tier" and "Sports Tier". Each one is $5.


Yes, understood. I'm not paying extra for those "specialty" tiers either, I added those in the list by accident. BUT, I do have the digital tier and especially I'm missing those HD channels, that's what I upset about. I see now where it's probably a cablecard config issue. I'm gonna try to call them tonight about it now that I'm better informed and see what they say. ;)

Yes, understood. I'm not paying extra for those "specialty" tiers either, I added those in the list by accident. BUT, I do have the digital tier and especially I'm missing those HD channels, that's what I upset about. I see now where it's probably a cablecard config issue. I'm gonna try to call them tonight about it now that I'm better informed and see what they say. ;)

If you're paying for the Digital Tier, you should be getting every channel I have listed in red. Also, just the fact that you have either a TWC box or a Tivo with the cards means you should be getting all those HD channels you listed as not working.

I just threw that in as a better understanding of the different tiers.

The cool(maybe sad) thing is I color-coded that list all from my memory. I have that crap memorized!! Yay!! :D

Yes, understood. I'm not paying extra for those "specialty" tiers either, I added those in the list by accident. BUT, I do have the digital tier and especially I'm missing those HD channels, that's what I upset about. I see now where it's probably a cablecard config issue. I'm gonna try to call them tonight about it now that I'm better informed and see what they say. ;)

It's a good possibility that you may not even be in a SDV area. That's what you really need to find out. When you call tonight if you don't get satisfaction from the CSR tell them you want to speak to a Customer Service Specialist - Don't ask for a Supervisor, that will not happen. If they tell you they will call you back then don't hesitate. Email steve.fry@twcable.com. He's the president of TWNEO. Now he won't reply personally but what will happen is your email will get forwarded to the manager in your area. Make sure you give them your phone number so they can either call you or look up your account when you send the email. I promise you will see results, but only email Mr. Fry if you have exhausted the previous suggestions.

It's a good possibility that you may not even be in a SDV area. That's what you really need to find out. When you call tonight if you don't get satisfaction from the CSR tell them you want to speak to a Customer Service Specialist - Don't ask for a Supervisor, that will not happen. If they tell you they will call you back then don't hesitate. Email steve.fry@twcable.com. He's the president of TWNEO. Now he won't reply personally but what will happen is your email will get forwarded to the manager in your area. Make sure you give them your phone number so they can either call you or look up your account when you send the email. I promise you will see results, but only email Mr. Fry if you have exhausted the previous suggestions.

Yes I understand The Power of Fry is not to be taken lightly and to be used only for good. :) Actually I met him briefly when I worked for Time Warner about 10 years ago. He seemed like a genuinely nice man. I worked as a CSR at the Canton hub for about a year. Yes I was one of those guys. It was a good company to work for and they treat their employees really well.

Yes I understand The Power of Fry is not to be taken lightly and to be used only for good. :) Actually I met him briefly when I worked for Time Warner about 10 years ago. He seemed like a genuinely nice man. I worked as a CSR at the Canton hub for about a year. Yes I was one of those guys. It was a good company to work for and they treat their employees really well.

Well, there is nothing I can tell you that you probably don't know then. You probably understand the procedures better then any of us do as well.

You should be able to handle this, no problem.;)

Now don't get me started on the CSR's.....I got my own opinion about that because I've done CSR work in the past and....let me just stop there now.:D

Interesting...

Interesting to know how Mr. Fry is in person. I always imagined him as someone who makes a coat out of puppies. And throws rocks at kids. And trips old people. :D

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They already are bailing from their 3/15 date on HD. Not surprising.

lets make bets April 29th will be delayed to may

lets make bets April 29th will be delayed to may

In a previous post I predicted 4/1 as the start date for the first batch of HD. They will have to set up SDV I would think to add additional channels 4/29,


May 15 sounds about right.:)

Ya know...One thing just crossed my mind...

Do you by any chance have relatives in Palmdale, CA nickdawg? Anyone by the name of 'punker'? All of a sudden you bear a striking resemblance to this one dude....

WHY THE HELL ARE THEY ADDING THESE BOTTOM FEEDER CHANNELS AHEAD OF THINGS LIKE F/X!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

OTA is starting to look better and better every second...:D
Good luck with that. FXHD doesn't come in all that well OTA. ;)

FX is just as much a "bottom feeder" as SciFi, Bravo, ABC Family, Disney, and Animal Planet.

Good luck with that. FXHD doesn't come in all that well OTA. ;)

FX is just as much a "bottom feeder" as SciFi, Bravo, ABC Family, Disney, and Animal Planet.

Oh, you are just so wrong about that. FX provides some of the highest quality dramas on television, even as good as Showtime or HBO.

However I share your sentiments about nickdawg and going to OTA. Maybe he will try E'* this time. :)

Ya know...One thing just crossed my mind...

Do you by any chance have relatives in Palmdale, CA nickdawg? Anyone by the name of 'punker'? All of a sudden you bear a striking resemblance to this one dude....

You know we tried to warn him. We did everything we could and he should have known better not to get your hopes up when dealing with a cable company. Specially when they "proclaim" something with all kinds of loopholes.

And you notice they left the same loopholes for the 3/31 date as well. This is called marketing, they are promising something without making a firm commitment. We may not see any of this until as you predicted earlier until Summer.

Maybe I should go back to my Fall prediction for SDV. Heck if I'm wrong it will probably be because it didn't start until Winter.:D And that means using SDV to provide more HD service, not just turning the stupid thing on and not doing anything with it.

nickdawg, you never should have left satellite.

FX is just as much a "bottom feeder" as SciFi, Bravo, ABC Family, Disney, and Animal Planet.

I agree with you. Moreover, I am not picky. I will gladly take whatever they give.

I agree with you. Moreover, I am not picky. I will gladly take whatever they give.

So you will watch anything just so it's in HD? That doesn't make sense to me, particularly since I tried it myself when I first got HD. I ended up falling asleep.

Boring is boring whether it's in HD or SD.:) I want quality not quantity. As it stands right now I already have more then enough shows to record, it's just a matter of getting USA, FX, and maybe one or two others I might be interested in that have original programming.

When you buy concert tickets do you care what artist you are seeing, or do you just go to the concert to go to a concert?

Well I called TW last night. CSR tried to hit the box. Nothing. Remove and re-insert cablecard. Nothing. "Ok, well we're gonna have to get someone out there for you. How about next Wednesday?" :mad: So, my call got escalated and I got to talk to a very apologetic supervisor who flagged my account to priority status and said someone will be out to correct the situation within 24 hours. Promptly at 8:30 this morning I get a call from TW confirming a "all day" service call. So hopefully we'll have success today... and all without using The Power of Fry.


Now you know those other channels may be coming as well, can they give us anything that's more bottom of the barrel type HD?



I'm personally waiting for TV Land in HD. Good Times is gonna look "DY-NO-MITE!" :D

Well I called TW last night. CSR tried to hit the box. Nothing. Remove and re-insert cablecard. Nothing. "Ok, well we're gonna have to get someone out there for you. How about next Wednesday?" :mad: So, my call got escalated and I got to talk to a very apologetic supervisor who flagged my account to priority status and said someone will be out to correct the situation within 24 hours. Promptly at 8:30 this morning I get a call from TW confirming a "all day" service call. So hopefully we'll have success today... and all without using The Power of Fry.

I feel kind of dumb telling this to you to be honest but please make the first question out of your mouth "is this area affected by SDV?" If he says yes then tell him you are missing too many channels. If he says no or more likely looks like you like your an alien from outer space then just have him fix it. Make sure he calls head end for assistance.

I still think since you're ex Adelphia there is no SDV in your area. The only way that would happen is if Adelphia happen to run Passport before the buyout, but for the most part it should be the old SARA software.

Now a couple of words that I tell anybody during install.

Do NOT let them touch the remote. You handle everything. You may want to familiarize yourself with the cable card screens. Make sure they run a signal check on every cable connection in your house, don't go by TiVo's signal that's not accurate enough. And don't let them leave until you check every channel. That may get them upset but hey, you're the customer.

Also write down the number of your cable card (s). Are they using one M card or two S cards? Double check them when they call in the number to make sure they got it right, I caught them making a mistake.

Good luck and let us know what happens. Hopefully they will show, I hate those "all day appointments." If they don't show, you know what to do.

Oh, you are just so wrong about that. FX provides some of the highest quality dramas on television, even as good as Showtime or HBO.Well, I've been wrong before, nothing new there (except that it's usually my wife who lets me know). :)

But I do know that my TV spends a lot more time on Animal Planet and ABC Family than any of those other channels, at least when my kids are home. So maybe T/W is on to something. Then again, my kids don't really care whether or not a show is in HD.

Well, I've been wrong before, nothing new there (except that it's usually my wife who lets me know). :)

But I do know that my TV spends a lot more time on Animal Planet and ABC Family than any of those other channels, at least when my kids are home. So maybe T/W is on to something. Then again, my kids don't really care whether or not a show is in HD.

I watch Kyle XY and it was great when it was on HD. Now it's become kind of a routine, teenage crush type show but I'm stuck with that because wife likes it.

It will be better to watch in HD. But that's a ways away.

Don't feel dumb at all... those are some great tips!

Also write down the number of your cable card (s). Are they using one M card or two S cards? Double check them when they call in the number to make sure they got it right, I caught them making a mistake.

Yeah, that why I insisted on an M-Card. I figured with one card versus two, there's a 50% better chance of getting it right.

If they don't show, you know what to do.

You betcha'!

Maybe I should go back to my Fall prediction for SDV. Heck if I'm wrong it will probably be because it didn't start until Winter.:D And that means using SDV to provide more HD service, not just turning the stupid thing on and not doing anything with it.

I'm going to throw in MY prediction date. I think those channels are coming on March 15.


March 15, 2010!! :p:p:p

I'm going to throw in MY prediction date. I think those channels are coming on March 15.


March 15, 2010!! :p:p:p

I was going to say your as stubborn as a mule.:D

I probably got this number for TW in this forum as well. This is to TW's main customer service center. 203-351-2221.

http://consumerist.com/5013973/reach-time-warner-cable-executive-customer-service

I called this number to complain about TW blocking all digital channels from copy freely. Did it get me anywhere? No. But they did knock 20 bucks off my bill to try to pacify me.

Anytime somebody gives me 20 bucks I take it.;)

Anytime somebody gives me 20 bucks I take it.;)

Heck, yeah!

Now for today's episode of "As The Cable Unwinds"...:D

When last we left...

So the tech arrived and did confirm rather confidently that SDV "has not been deployed in this area yet." Called in read some numbers everything checked okay. Cable card good. Box good. Tv good. Fireplace good. Signal strength... uh oh. So now a new drop is required and new cabling to the house. Says should completed within 24 to 48 hours. Wow, now they suddenly have a fire lit under them. I wonder why? :p

You know, several weeks ago when I first called in to transfer service, I specifically told the CSR, "it's an old house. Please have them set aside enough time. I think alot of it will have to be rewired." But, you know, don't listen to me. What do I know. :rolleyes:

Heck, yeah!

Now for today's episode of "As The Cable Unwinds"...:D

When last we left...

So the tech arrived and did confirm rather confidently that SDV "has not been deployed in this area yet." Called in read some numbers everything checked okay. Cable card good. Box good. Tv good. Fireplace good. Signal strength... uh oh. So now a new drop is required and new cabling to the house. Says should completed within 24 to 48 hours. Wow, now they suddenly have a fire lit under them. I wonder why? :p

You know, several weeks ago when I first called in to transfer service, I specifically told the CSR, "it's an old house. Please have them set aside enough time. I think alot of it will have to be rewired." But, you know, don't listen to me. What do I know. :rolleyes:

I had a feeling it was signal strength. It fit the pattern perfectly, some channels you were getting, some you wern't.

So are they going to refund you some money for your "inconvenience." I think a call to that other number I provided (not the cable card number) and the story you just mentioned about having told them in advance that's worth a 20.00 refund.;)

A number of ..well.. unnecessary posts have been removed. Stay on topic, please. Keep your rants to yourselves. Failure to do so will result in being banned from further participation in this thread. And no dessert for a month!

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I'm no fan of cable companies. I think they are all evil hence my quote: "consider the cable companies as a group of terrorists".

Now having said that I see more communication coming out of TW then I ever saw come out of Adelphia. True, they change what they say within 48 to 72 hours after they publish it but at least they are updating info.

Now truthfully if they hadn't changed that one post to "on or after March 31" certain people would be looking for that date. Now at least you know that it's not going to happen on 3/15. And yes, they left the door open to change it again.

But at least they are saying something! Compared to what we got with Adelphia that's like major league communication.

That's all I have to say on that. Now I gotta get a Mack truck so I can drive through all those loopholes.:D

See you in September!;):D

Apologies accepted. Ok, back on topic. Thanks!

Interesting...

Interesting to know how Mr. Fry is in person. I always imagined him as someone who makes a coat out of puppies. And throws rocks at kids. And trips old people. :D

Nickdawg, I'll be sending you a bill from my dry cleaner. This comment made me spit out my coffee laughing. Good stuff. :D

I don't know about you guys but I think it's going to be real fun watching the The Tribe beat the Tigers this season in HD. You remember them, super team, going to do it all, fell on their faces. It was all in HD as you recall.

Not that the Tribe did so well either but this is a new season and I'm confident with the pitching staff they now have they are going to be a force to reckon with. And since it is all in HD on STO we will be able to enjoy all of it.

I'm not a huge basketball fan but I did notice that the Cavs kicked the Pistons tail sideways this season in HD. Anytime we can enjoy watching a Detroit team of any kind get it's butt kicked in HD is a good thing. And how about those Detroit Lions? Were they even shown in HD at all this year? Man, you talk about some bad football.

All of the above was kept on topic. I was discussing a local teams and HD television. The fact that I chose Detroit as my punching bag and that the mod who came in here recently happens to be from Detroit is purely coincidental! Really. We love people from Detroit. And Pittsburgh. Great people, all of them.:D;)

In an effort to move forward in a new direction, I thought I'd start us off with a positive post about a local TV station. Watching Jeopardy tonight on WEWHD I noticed that the hideous "faux sourround sound" they once used is now gone.

Instead, sound is only coming out of the L and R front channels. Even though the channel is still flagged as "Dolby Digital 3/2.1", the center, SL, SR channels are quiet on non-5.1 programming(in the same style as WKYCHD). I like it! I like the way WKYCHD does Digital Audio and I'm glad WEWHD finally stopped doing that fake surround. It's like using a Pro Logic setting, only worse. Personally, I prefer to use the A.F.D. Auto setting on my home theater. 2 channel is passed as 2 channel, 5.1 as 5.1 and 1 channel as 1 channel(yes, surprisingly a few 1 channel only channels exist on TWC!).

As of right now:
WKYCHD:|3/2.1-local & non 5.1 programming as 2-channel
WEWHD: |3/2.1-local & non 5.1 programming as 2-channel
WJWHD:|2/0 for non-FOX programming, 3/2.1 for primetime thru the splicer, non-5.1 upconverted by network
WOIOHD:|3/2.1 all the time, network proper 5.1(although a bit TOO LOUD), local/non 5.1 in fake surround(hideous)
WVIZHD:|2/0 all the time
WUABHD:|3/2.1 all the time, network(?), everything upconverted to fake surround
WNEOHD:|3/2.1 all the time, network 5.1 correctly, other programming varies
WBNXHD:|3/2.1 all the time, network programming sometimes correct(getting better) local/non-5.1 in 2 channel

Now available on TiVo. That is if you're not in SDV land, then of course you arn't seeing anything on that channel.

Hopefully they will get the tuning adapters out to you folks soon. It be nice if we had them installed before SDV even begins over here.

I'm only posting this because I kind of thought that MLBnetwork would be carrying the majority of the games. While they will be carrying some games it appears that ESPN and ESPN2 are currently carrying games. USA in HD on ESPN at 2:00 pm today.

i found something odd while watching UFC 96 at a friends house it seems that all SARA Boxes in Erie are SDV Enabled so soon TWC will be done with that project

i found something odd while watching UFC 96 at a friends house it seems that all SARA Boxes in Erie are SDV Enabled so soon TWC will be done with that project

Shooter, I really don't want to have to go through all this again. I know what you saw on the diagnostic screen. We have talked about this until we are blue in the face.

Yes, it does say "enableled" but that is only on page 1. As you go through the rest of the diagnostic screens it's either n/a, 0, or no. It simply means that SARA is capable of doing SDV which if you read this thread on a regular basis we've known for sometime now.

Time Warner apparently wants everybody on Navigator so that they can have financial and technical control of the software. This is not certain but appears to be what the delay has been.

I'm not saying I know for certain what TW is going to do but what you saw is nothing new. It's been that way for probably at least a year now.

well the more i learn i was just confused because the box was a 4200HD from 5 years ago and couldn't believe it was SDV enabled

well the more i learn i was just confused because the box was a 4200HD from 5 years ago and couldn't believe it was SDV enabled

Understandable. You're looking as I said earlier at the diagnostic screens first page. But if you went into the other 3 pages you would see it's quite inactive.

Yes, It's enabled, but no, it's not active.:)

Hope that doesn't confuse you further.

There is no reason why they can't use SARA and never has been. They could have used Passport as well but they chose Navigator, Passport was capable of SDV as well. That's why I'm of the opinion that the game plan is to make it all Navigator. They would not have control over the software if they leave it with SARA.

There was a discussion about the quality of HD broadcast in the area. I have a Windows program called TiVo Playlist that actually shows the quality of each show.

The lower the number, the better the quality. And that should also relate to a larger file. Now unfortunately I could not copy these numbers directly from the program but I will give a few with local network programing and cable programming. I think some of you may be surprised:

Big Love - Rough Edges 4.50 gb recording quality 0.22 (HD) HBO
The Unit - Hero 6.67 gb quality 0.15 (HD) WOIO
Desperate Housewives - Crime Doesn't Pay 7.27 gb quality 0.14 (HD) WEWS
NIP/TUCK - Giselle Blaylocka and Legend Chandler 3.46 GB quality 0.30 F/X analog cable (using TiVo's "'Best" setting)
Medium - A Taste or Her Own Medicine 4.66 gb quality .21 (HD)WEWS
24 Day 7: 5:00 PM-6:00pm 4.92 gb quality .020 (HD) WJW


I tried to use an "average" show sampling. As you can see WOIO did quite well despite sub channels, almost as good as WEWS. WJW on the other hand didn't hold up as well. They did do much better on Terminator and Flashpoint but I wanted to get "average" readings.

And just look how much disk space that analog show takes up on my DVR. Half of what it takes for a HD show. I don't record any digital channel shows so I wasn't able to give any numbers for those.

WKYC is pretty consistent at showing the lower numbers for HD.

These are just my facts and figures. As usual, YMMV.

I tried to use an "average" show sampling. As you can see WOIO did quite well despite sub channels, almost as good as WEWS. WJW on the other hand didn't hold up as well. They did do much better on Terminator and Flashpoint but I wanted to get "average" readings.

And just look how takes up on my DVR. Half of what it takes for a HD show. I don't record any digital channel shows so I wasn't able to give any numbers for those.

The PQ on WJW is probably getting a worse reading because FOX "pre-degrades" it at the source. Remember awhile back when we were discussing the FOX splicer? Well, FOX sends their programs through the splicer at a lower rate than other networks. It's like there is a ghost subchannel, even if your affiliate does not have one.

I'm shocked by WOIO. Although I haven't watched CBS at all(outside of sports or news), maybe they adjusted some things to lower bandwidth to the weather channel.

Not surprised about ABC. I've always said that the channel with the best PQ(to me) is ABC/5.

Did anyone else notice the wierd audio at times on last night's Chuck? Especially when they were talking to the "General" the audio had a distinct echo. I heard it in some other scenes as well, but it wasn't as bad....

Well not much has been happening lately with the TW situation. Until today. A line supervisor showed up and after examining the wires, they've determined that the initial installers hooked me up to the wrong region. I'm connected to the Copley-Fairlawn-Macedonia system where I should be connected to the Akron-Canton system. Hence the missing channels. So they will be running correct lines to the house and all should be well. I must be really close to the territory line, no? And does this mean I'm going from ex-Adelphia land back to legacy TW?

Well not much has been happening lately with the TW situation. Until today. A line supervisor showed up and after examining the wires, they've determined that the initial installers hooked me up to the wrong region. I'm connected to the Copley-Fairlawn-Macedonia system where I should be connected to the Akron-Canton system. Hence the missing channels. So they will be running correct lines to the house and all should be well. I must be really close to the territory line, no? And does this mean I'm going from ex-Adelphia land back to legacy TW?

OMG, what a nightmare! How could that one tech tell you that you are not on SDV yet this supervisor comes out and says Akron-Canton. I would think it sounds like legacy land and if that's the case you will have to deal with the SDV issue but maybe I'm wrong.

Whatta mess! Did you get your 20 bucks yet?;)

Well not much has been happening lately with the TW situation. Until today. A line supervisor showed up and after examining the wires, they've determined that the initial installers hooked me up to the wrong region. I'm connected to the Copley-Fairlawn-Macedonia system where I should be connected to the Akron-Canton system. Hence the missing channels. So they will be running correct lines to the house and all should be well. I must be really close to the territory line, no? And does this mean I'm going from ex-Adelphia land back to legacy TW?

Maybe that's why they originally said you were SDV the first time you called. :confused:

Life will be much better on the Akron/Canton system, we're already SDV and all the channels under 100 are digital.

Maybe that's why they originally said you were SDV the first time you called. :confused:

Life will be much better on the Akron/Canton system, we're already SDV and all the channels under 100 are digital.

Yeah, I just took a look at the SDV channels and basically so long as he gets his converter by opening day for baseball he's OK. If he's not a baseball fan he may not care.

You don't subscribe to the higher digital tier, do you Ed? If you do you won't get that because of SDV. That is until you get your tuner converter.

Yeah, I just took a look at the SDV channels and basically so long as he gets his converter by opening day for baseball he's OK. If he's not a baseball fan he may not care.

You don't subscribe to the higher digital tier, do you Ed? If you do you won't get that because of SDV. That is until you get your tuner converter.

I do subscribe to the digital tier. What is the higher digital tier?

BTW hookbill, do you have a tuning adapter?

I do subscribe to the digital tier. What is the higher digital tier?

BTW hookbill, do you have a tuning adapter?

Higher digital tier includes channels in the Sports Tier, Choice Tier, Movie Tier and HDTV Tier. Many of those channels are the ones that are being converted to SDV.

I do subscribe to the digital tier. What is the higher digital tier?

BTW hookbill, do you have a tuning adapter?

What I should have said was do you subscribe to the higher HD tier which I think is 6 bucks more a month. It includes MGM, HDnet, Hdnet Movies, and I think Universal unless that has changed. I've been getting Universal without the sub, nickdawg said he had to subscribe.

No, I don't have the tuner adapters and probably nobody does yet. My understanding is TW has them in their warehouse and will be distributing them after training their techs.

That's kind of laughable because all you gotta do is just plug it in between the wall and your TiVo, but that's what my headend person told me just about a week and a half ago.

If you are in SDV land I wouldn't hesitate to let them know that you know they have them in their warehouse. I'll bet that they distribute in legacy before they do up here considering SDV is already active, but hey who knows? If you do subscribe to those other HD channels just drop them until you get your tuner adapter.

What I should have said was do you subscribe to the higher HD tier which I think is 6 bucks more a month. It includes MGM, HDnet, Hdnet Movies, and I think Universal unless that has changed. I've been getting Universal without the sub, nickdawg said he had to subscribe.


No I don't have that tier... but it would be nice to get Universal HD ;)

No, I don't have the tuner adapters and probably nobody does yet. My understanding is TW has them in their warehouse and will be distributing them after training their techs.

That's kind of laughable because all you gotta do is just plug it in between the wall and your TiVo, but that's what my headend person told me just about a week and a half ago.

Yes, training to plug things in...:rolleyes:

If you are in SDV land I wouldn't hesitate to let them know that you know they have them in their warehouse. I'll bet that they distribute in legacy before they do up here considering SDV is already active, but hey who knows? If you do subscribe to those other HD channels just drop them until you get your tuner adapter.

I might try that...

No I don't have that tier... but it would be nice to get Universal HD ;)

As of right now, Universal HD and MGM HD are not SDV. ONly HD Net and HD Net Movies.

That's kind of laughable because all you gotta do is just plug it in between the wall and your TiVo, but that's what my headend person told me just about a week and a half ago.

The simplicity of an interface at the set-top likely conceals a significant amount of complexity at the back end systems. Training would be necessary for an entire workforce, from headend to installers to CSRs and beyond. They will need to learn how the device is represented in their back office displays, how it's configured, how to access and interpret the diagnostics, and how to articulate all of this to customers and co-workers.

A SDV launch is hardly a trivial project; you could fill pages and pages of paper with an explanation of how the simple act of pressing the "Channel Up" button on the viewer's remote control causes a channel to change in an SDV system.

Training is a good thing. ;)

The simplicity of an interface at the set-top likely conceals a significant amount of complexity at the back end systems. Training would be necessary for an entire workforce, from headend to installers to CSRs and beyond. They will need to learn how the device is represented in their back office displays, how it's configured, how to access and interpret the diagnostics, and how to articulate all of this to customers and co-workers.

A SDV launch is hardly a trivial project; you could fill pages and pages of paper with an explanation of how the simple act of pressing the "Channel Up" button on the viewer's remote control causes a channel to change in an SDV system.

Training is a good thing. ;)

Your absolutely right, my problem however is that there simply doesn't seem to be enough training with TW and it's staff. I'm not talking just about the techs, I'm talking about the CSR's. Rarely do I find one that is knowledgeable enough to help me with any issue I have hence my constantly bothering Joann when I have problems.

But you are spot on about how complex the whole thing is. Imagine coming up with a device to work on SDV for all cable systems. The thing that is cool about it was the Cable industry showed a willingness to work with TiVo on this. For that I am grateful. Otherwise I would basically have worthless boxes, which many told me I was going to have - but they were all wrong.;)

I still say Tivo should have been forward thinking and put in bi-directional tuners with their digital cable capable boxes considering 2-way cable services have been in the works LONG before Tivo ever thought of offering digital cable dvr's.

But hey, as long as some kind of solution is made and not outrageously prohibitive...

I still say Tivo should have been forward thinking and put in bi-directional tuners with their digital cable capable boxes considering 2-way cable services have been in the works LONG before Tivo ever thought of offering digital cable dvr's.

But hey, as long as some kind of solution is made and not outrageously prohibitive...

I agree to a certain extent but I'm not sure that tivo perceived th aggrssve wayTW and other cable co.. Were going to ensue it, and it still would have required teamwork to make it happen.

Watching the news on channle 5 tonight, I see that the black line is back on the bottom of the screen. Except this time it is not seen on ABC HD programming, just local HD(the news) and local SD upconvert commercials. If you're a regular reader, you know this is my "peeve" with WEWS. Every few months or so, this happens. Usually it is fixed. But now, it is really irritating to see that line down there. Especially on the news when you're seeing different video with unclean edges and graphics that do not go all the way to the bottom.

5 is very strange. Either the picture is pushed too far UP and we get that black line at the bottom of the screen or the picture is pushed down and we can see the blanking lines at the top of SD upconvert. Personally, I'd rather see the blanking lines at the top of the screen instead of the black bar.

I still say Tivo should have been forward thinking and put in bi-directional tuners with their digital cable capable boxes considering 2-way cable services have been in the works LONG before Tivo ever thought of offering digital cable dvr's.

But hey, as long as some kind of solution is made and not outrageously prohibitive...

Remember, Tivo is a business. They're all about that "planned obsolescence". At least they were kind enough to help people who already spent tons on these boxes to continue using them, rather than making them buy a new one. Right now would be the perfect time for Tivo to roll out that new S4, that is two-way capable. :D:D

Did anyone else notice the wierd audio at times on last night's Chuck? Especially when they were talking to the "General" the audio had a distinct echo. I heard it in some other scenes as well, but it wasn't as bad....

I noticed it - pretty annoying. Same thing happened on Heroes, almost to a point where it was hard to understand what was being said.

I noticed later that night the audio was out of sync with the video on Leno - dunno if that's related.

We all love cable-tv advances in the areas of digital, HD, SDV, VOD, etc... but with the yin comes the yang! :(

With their "new and improved" technology the cable co's can now bother us on every damn channel across the board with the silly warnings and alerts. Cable was my safe harbor to get away from these intrusive and unnecessary ramblings, but no more. :mad:

In each of the last five days my viewing has been disrupted with this needless crap! Three weather warnings, two Amber alerts.

I don't give a damn that it's going to rain, snow or flood, it does not affect me nor my plans. I'm sorry your kid went missing but I (and 99.999999 % of the viewing public) haven't seen the little runt, so please stop bothering me!

If I'm concerned about the weather I'll watch the locals or the Weather Ch., if I want to hear about missing kids I'll watch Nancy Grace.

Cable Co's: For the love of GOD, with all of your new found "technology", give us the option to turn this needless crap OFF!!!!

We all love cable-tv advances in the areas of digital, HD, SDV, VOD, etc... but with the yin comes the yang! :(

With their "new and improved" technology the cable co's can now bother us on every damn channel across the board with the silly warnings and alerts. Cable was my safe harbor to get away from these intrusive and unnecessary ramblings, but no more. :mad:

In each of the last five days my viewing has been disrupted with this needless crap! Three weather warnings, two Amber alerts.

I don't give a damn that it's going to rain, snow or flood, it does not affect me nor my plans. I'm sorry your kid went missing but I (and 99.999999 % of the viewing public) haven't seen the little runt, so please stop bothering me!

If I'm concerned about the weather I'll watch the locals or the Weather Ch., if I want to hear about missing kids I'll watch Nancy Grace.

Cable Co's: For the love of GOD, with all of your new found "technology", give us the option to turn this needless crap OFF!!!!


Amen! I agree with you 100%!

Remember, Tivo is a business. They're all about that "planned obsolescence". At least they were kind enough to help people who already spent tons on these boxes to continue using them, rather than making them buy a new one. Right now would be the perfect time for Tivo to roll out that new S4, that is two-way capable. :D:D

nickdawg, you have absolutely no idea about what TiVo is about in regards to commitment to it's customers. They still even support Direct TiVo's although they do not offer the latest in software. The "Series 1" TiVo will still get support if you have an issue with it regardless of how old it is, they just don't provide the advanced technology because the hardware is not capable of receiving it. This theory you have of rolling out a S4 right now is not what is in the game plan, they just rolled out another version of the TiVo HD. Don't make up things as you go along. Will there be an S4? Probably but I don't see it happening in the next year or so. I heard nothing about it at the Vegas convention.

Because I knew TiVo wouldn't let it's customers just sink and give a box that wasn't capable of SDV I took the chance on their reputations and I was right. Their reputation for standing by their products is quite good.

We all love cable-tv advances in the areas of digital, HD, SDV, VOD, etc... but with the yin comes the yang! :(

With their "new and improved" technology the cable co's can now bother us on every damn channel across the board with the silly warnings and alerts. Cable was my safe harbor to get away from these intrusive and unnecessary ramblings, but no more. :mad:

In each of the last five days my viewing has been disrupted with this needless crap! Three weather warnings, two Amber alerts.

I don't give a damn that it's going to rain, snow or flood, it does not affect me nor my plans. I'm sorry your kid went missing but I (and 99.999999 % of the viewing public) haven't seen the little runt, so please stop bothering me!

If I'm concerned about the weather I'll watch the locals or the Weather Ch., if I want to hear about missing kids I'll watch Nancy Grace.

Cable Co's: For the love of GOD, with all of your new found "technology", give us the option to turn this needless crap OFF!!!!
I believe this was forced upon them by the Feds....

I believe this was forced upon them by the Feds....

Oh I'm sure of that. ;)

More government interrupting our lives, trying to save us from ourselves. It is truly amazing human beings had survived for so long prior to the FEDS watching over us. Guess we were just lucky. :p

I just received the following email from TW: April 1 is the day, no fooling!:)


Dear Valued Customer,

We would like to thank you once again for choosing Time Warner Cable as your cable service provider. According to our records, you have pre-ordered a Tuning Adapter via our website (www.timewarnercable.com/tuningadapter). We are happy to announce that Tuning Adapters will be available in your area after April 1, 2009.

Below you will find additional information about the Tuning Adapter, which will allow you to access services delivered using switched digital video (“SDV”) technology using your CableCARD™-equipped TiVo® Series3, TiVo HD, or TiVo HD XL digital video recorder (“DVR”).

As you know, we have begun to deliver certain channels using SDV, a two-way technology that makes it possible for us to offer many additional services, including new HD channels and HD versions of popular existing channels, to our customers.

As we have described to you before, the current generation of CableCARD-compatible devices sold at retail, which includes HD TiVo DVRs, is only capable of accessing our one-way services. The Tuning Adapter is designed to work in conjunction with your CableCARD-equipped HD TiVo DVR to allow you to receive programming delivered using SDV technology (but not our other interactive features) while you continue to enjoy all the features of your TiVo. TiVo Tuning Adapters will be available after April 1, 2009.

Upon request, we will provide you with a Tuning Adapter for each of your CableCARD-equipped HD TiVo DVRs at no charge.You will continue to pay the standard lease rate for your CableCARD(s).Over the next few weeks, we’ll be contacting you via e-mail and/or telephone to arrange for free FedEx® shipping of your Tuning Adapter(s).

The tuning adapters will be available after April 1, 2009. Should you have questions in the interim,please e-mail us at customerupdate@neo.rr.com or call 330.572.4116.


Time Warner Cable is constantly looking for ways to serve you better. We thank you for your continued support.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Liz Watson

Director of Marketing
Time Warner Cable

I just received the following email from TW: April 1 is the day, no fooling!:)


Dear Valued Customer,

We would like to thank you once again for choosing Time Warner Cable as your cable service provider. According to our records, you have pre-ordered a Tuning Adapter via our website (www.timewarnercable.com/tuningadapter). We are happy to announce that Tuning Adapters will be available in your area after April 1, 2009.

Below you will find additional information about the Tuning Adapter, which will allow you to access services delivered using switched digital video (“SDV”) technology using your CableCARD™-equipped TiVo® Series3, TiVo HD, or TiVo HD XL digital video recorder (“DVR”).

As you know, we have begun to deliver certain channels using SDV, a two-way technology that makes it possible for us to offer many additional services, including new HD channels and HD versions of popular existing channels, to our customers.

As we have described to you before, the current generation of CableCARD-compatible devices sold at retail, which includes HD TiVo DVRs, is only capable of accessing our one-way services. The Tuning Adapter is designed to work in conjunction with your CableCARD-equipped HD TiVo DVR to allow you to receive programming delivered using SDV technology (but not our other interactive features) while you continue to enjoy all the features of your TiVo. TiVo Tuning Adapters will be available after April 1, 2009.

Upon request, we will provide you with a Tuning Adapter for each of your CableCARD-equipped HD TiVo DVRs at no charge.You will continue to pay the standard lease rate for your CableCARD(s).Over the next few weeks, we’ll be contacting you via e-mail and/or telephone to arrange for free FedEx® shipping of your Tuning Adapter(s).

The tuning adapters will be available after April 1, 2009. Should you have questions in the interim,please e-mail us at customerupdate@neo.rr.com or call 330.572.4116.


Time Warner Cable is constantly looking for ways to serve you better. We thank you for your continued support.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Liz Watson

Director of Marketing
Time Warner Cable


niiice!

Now I only hope my other <ahem> problems will be resolved before then...:D

niiice!

Now I only hope my other <ahem> problems will be resolved before then...:D

I sent an email requesting 2, gave name, phone, cell, acct #, dob, number of wives....;)

Because I knew TiVo wouldn't let it's customers just sink and give a box that wasn't capable of SDV I took the chance on their reputations and I was right. Their reputation for standing by their products is quite good.

Agreed. I had a DirecTV Tivo and that's when I fell in love with the simplicity and interface and relibility that the box provided. Then I went to the cable co. and greatly missed all that with their boxes. So when a good deal on an HD tivo came up I jumped on it. Yes it is a pricey alternative, but the quality of the product and the commitment to it's customers is well worth it. The joint commitment of cable and Tivo to offer a tuning adapter is just another example. Obsolescence? Quite the contrary.

I just received the following email from TW: April 1 is the day, no fooling!:)



Hey hook, just got that e-mail too! :D

Hey hook, just got that e-mail too! :D

I got a direct response from clicking on that email link when I requested 2 within minutes.

Is this really a cable company?:)

Watching the news on channel 5 tonight, I see that the black line is back on the bottom of the screen. Except this time it is not seen on ABC HD programming, just local HD(the news) and local SD upconvert commercials. If you're a regular reader, you know this is my "peeve" with WEWS. Every few months or so, this happens. Usually it is fixed. But now, it is really irritating to see that line down there. Especially on the news when you're seeing different video with unclean edges and graphics that do not go all the way to the bottom.

5 is very strange. Either the picture is pushed too far UP and we get that black line at the bottom of the screen or the picture is pushed down and we can see the blanking lines at the top of SD upconvert. Personally, I'd rather see the blanking lines at the top of the screen instead of the black bar.On my TV I only see the blanking lines on top. I never saw this black line on the bottom. BTW: when you do see blanking lines it means that the source is not true HD. This is how I can tell which camera they used in news gathering. Even if it's in 16X9, I can see a partial blanking line on the top left hand side of the 16X9 picture. It goes away when the shot changes.

Agreed. I had a DirecTV Tivo and that's when I fell in love with the simplicity and interface and relibility that the box provided. Then I went to the cable co. and greatly missed all that with their boxes. So when a good deal on an HD tivo came up I jumped on it. Yes it is a pricey alternative, but the quality of the product and the commitment to it's customers is well worth it. The joint commitment of cable and Tivo to offer a tuning adapter is just another example. Obsolescence? Quite the contrary.

Did you ever have Passport on TWC? :confused::confused:

When I had D*, I didn't have a DVR. But the UI on their regular, non-DVR boxes was horrible. It was so confusing and had too many menus. Passport was much more user friendly than non-Tivo DirecTV. The first DVR I used was from TWC with SA and Passport. I fell in love with the Passport system(since I considered the Passport guide on non-DVR boxes to be the BEST). And since it was the same, it worked for me. Now with Navigator I am starting to fall in love. The most recent upgrade on MDN gives it a new color scheme that is similar to Passport. Also, it is a much more stable DVR than it has been in the past.

On my TV I only see the blanking lines on top. I never saw this black line on the bottom. BTW: when you do see blanking lines it means that the source is not true HD. This is how I can tell which camera they used in news gathering. Even if it's in 16X9, I can see a partial blanking line on the top left hand side of the 16X9 picture. It goes away when the shot changes.

Have you looked at it recently? When I was watching last night, on all local content(outside of ABC programming) didn't have the top of screen blanking. But it did have a black line on the bottom of the screen.

I usually don't see the blanking lines at all on news, except for SD video used. But last night at 11 there was a solid black line at the bottom of the screen.

If you look at WEWS right now, you can see the black line since the afternoon ABC soaps are SD upconvert.

I just received the following email from TW: April 1 is the day, no fooling!:)


Dear Valued Customer,

We would like to thank you once again for choosing Time Warner Cable as your cable service provider. According to our records, you have pre-ordered a Tuning Adapter via our website (www.timewarnercable.com/tuningadapter). We are happy to announce that Tuning Adapters will be available in your area after April 1, 2009.

Below you will find additional information about the Tuning Adapter, which will allow you to access services delivered using switched digital video (“SDV”) technology using your CableCARD™-equipped TiVo® Series3, TiVo HD, or TiVo HD XL digital video recorder (“DVR”).

As you know, we have begun to deliver certain channels using SDV, a two-way technology that makes it possible for us to offer many additional services, including new HD channels and HD versions of popular existing channels, to our customers.

As we have described to you before, the current generation of CableCARD-compatible devices sold at retail, which includes HD TiVo DVRs, is only capable of accessing our one-way services. The Tuning Adapter is designed to work in conjunction with your CableCARD-equipped HD TiVo DVR to allow you to receive programming delivered using SDV technology (but not our other interactive features) while you continue to enjoy all the features of your TiVo. TiVo Tuning Adapters will be available after April 1, 2009.

Upon request, we will provide you with a Tuning Adapter for each of your CableCARD-equipped HD TiVo DVRs at no charge.You will continue to pay the standard lease rate for your CableCARD(s).Over the next few weeks, we’ll be contacting you via e-mail and/or telephone to arrange for free FedEx® shipping of your Tuning Adapter(s).

The tuning adapters will be available after April 1, 2009. Should you have questions in the interim,please e-mail us at customerupdate@neo.rr.com or call 330.572.4116.


Time Warner Cable is constantly looking for ways to serve you better. We thank you for your continued support.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Liz Watson

Director of Marketing
Time Warner Cable

See, maybe, just maybe, SDV will go as Mr. Jascoe said it was planned. I think it's very promising that they are sending a letter about SDV Tuning Adapters to someone in the Adelphia area. I'm gonna take that to mean that SDV is in the works there as we speak. Somebody posted the other day that a SARA box said SDV Enabled: True. Just because there are no numbers or data on that screen doesn't rule out SDV. When it started here, it was enabled bu inactive for a LONG time. Although I assume they have things going better now than when they first started.

See, maybe, just maybe, SDV will go as Mr. Jascoe said it was planned. I think it's very promising that they are sending a letter about SDV Tuning Adapters to someone in the Adelphia area. I'm gonna take that to mean that SDV is in the works there as we speak. Somebody posted the other day that a SARA box said SDV Enabled: True. Just because there are no numbers or data on that screen doesn't rule out SDV. When it started here, it was enabled bu inactive for a LONG time. Although I assume they have things going better now than when they first started.

What they said was SDV ENABLED: READY. I just checked today and everything is exactly the same. All other pages say no, N/A or 0. Cable cards interestingly enough arn't even active on the box.

I think it's great that the boxes are here, I think it's a good sign that SDV will be available sooner then I thought, I still say it won't be on SARA. It just doesn't make sense. You want to unify the system not divide it and TW would not have control over the software if it stays with SARA. It has to change to Navigator and I still see that as some type of problem.

What they said was SDV ENABLED: READY. I just checked today and everything is exactly the same. All other pages say no, N/A or 0. Cable cards interestingly enough arn't even active on the box.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Either you're reading it wrong or that box is seriously screwed up. The cable card HAS to be active or else it wouldn't work. Like a Tivo the HDC boxes use the cable card for the POD ID#.

As for SDV, it can be enabled but still have no other data. There usually isn't data until channels are actually deployed on SDV.

I think it's great that the boxes are here, I think it's a good sign that SDV will be available sooner then I thought, I still say it won't be on SARA. It just doesn't make sense. You want to unify the system not divide it and TW would not have control over the software if it stays with SARA. It has to change to Navigator and I still see that as some type of problem.

And I still say it doesn't! Like I've said before, there are other systems in the same situation that use both software. A system in NC is running SDV and more HD channels across both systems. **SARA IS CAPABLE OF TWC ADD-ONS LIKE START OVER, CALLER ID, ETC!!**

Even your contact said she is unsure if/when they will do Navigator. Navigator takes some time. They still haven't even updated the OCAP boxes here yet. OCAP boxes are still running the "old" Navigator. I doubt that TWC would make such a ballzy statement about adding channels in April(the website and a direct email in the Erie thread confirm this) if they were not going to have SDV active in all areas.

I'm not saying that I 100% believe TWC but I also don't think they would make such a big statement they might have to take back. There's supposed to be 7 or 8 channels added at the end of April.

You can think and believe whatever you want nickdawg. I don't know how to read the diagnostic screen? I'm mistaken about the cable cards?

I guess you can read the data right off my box, right?

I tell you what I see. The cable cards show inactive. Not like my TiVo cable cards. And why the hell does that box have two cable cards in it? It can only show one channel at a time.

When I check that card data I put it on STO to make sure I'm on a known SDV channel in your area. Regardless of whether it's on STO or any other channel the SDV data is the same.

And again it doesn't make sense to have SARA and Navigator because TW cannot control SARA, that comes from SA. Now that doesn't mean it won't happen, it just doesn't make sense.

We don't have SDV in this area. I'll let you know when we do. Hopefully it's not until after I get my tuner adapters.;)

SARA/ODN have different screens than Tivo. Maybe it is listed differently? You probably know too much about Tivo, as I'd be confused to death if I had to use a Tivo! :o

On ODN, the cable card screens are Enabled and have numbers associated with it.

SARA/ODN have different screens than Tivo. Maybe it is listed differently? You probably know too much about Tivo, as I'd be confused to death if I had to use a Tivo! :o

On ODN, the cable card screens are Enabled and have numbers associated with it.

Now I don't know too much about TiVo? :D:D

Look I tell you what the cards say, and they say they are inactive. How much clearer can I make it to you?:confused:

Cable Co's: For the love of GOD, with all of your new found "technology", give us the option to turn this needless crap OFF!!!!

Toby, EAS is an FCC Requirement.
(http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/eas.html)

Now I don't know too much about TiVo? :D:D

Look I tell you what the cards say, and they say they are inactive. How much clearer can I make it to you?:confused:

NO! You know TOO MUCH about Tivo. As in you are fixated on it and know all the menus and cable card settings. It must be hard to adapt to primitive machines like 8300HDC and 4250HDC! :p:p:p

I know more about TWC equipment than any normal person should! :o

nickdawg & hookbill, please... just get a room. This whole TWC thing has gotten very very old. Can we please keep on topic?

nickdawg & hookbill, please... just get a room. This whole TWC thing has gotten very very old. Can we please keep on topic?

Let me explain something to YOU. We are discussing the changes in the way television HD is going to be made in our area. If you don't like it, go to another forum. It is relevant to the title of the thread.

I've stuck up for you a couple of times, how dare you come down on me.

Maybe nickdawg is right and you are a troll.

*snip*Cable cards interestingly enough arn't even active on the box.*snip*

No offense hookbill, but I am with nickdawg on this one. There is absolutely no way that the cablecard can be inactive in these HDC boxes or else you would have no service.

With the HDC boxes, the whole idea was to be compliant to that one stupid regulation made by the FCC some time ago where the security functions in these boxes could no longer be embedded and unremovable so it was then parted out to cablecards just like every other cablecard device on the planet. The HDC boxes don't have any facilities outside of the cablecard to talk to and authenticate to the headend and get your service.

Just like your tivo; Without a cablecard you aren't getting any channels, period. (Well, with the tivo you might be able to do Clear QAM channels, but that's another story)

(EDIT: I also understand this OCAP garbage is another reason for these HDC boxes being developed, but it's just another 'tick on the todo list for engineering these things)

No offense hookbill, but I am with nickdawg on this one. There is absolutely no way that the cablecard can be inactive in these HDC boxes or else you would have no service.

With the HDC boxes, the whole idea was to be compliant to that one stupid regulation made by the FCC some time ago where the security functions in these boxes could no longer be embedded and unremovable so it was then parted out to cablecards just like every other cablecard device on the planet. The HDC boxes don't have any facilities outside of the cablecard to talk to and authenticate to the headend and get your service.

Just like your tivo; Without a cablecard you aren't getting any channels, period. (Well, with the tivo you might be able to do Clear QAM channels, but that's another story)

(EDIT: I also understand this OCAP garbage is another reason for these HDC boxes being developed, but it's just another 'tick on the todo list for engineering these things)

I am replying via blackberry I am sitting in front of diagnostics screen. Page 1 key val: success m card I'd:nonehost auth: none authorization state: DISABLED. HOST AUTH: NONE

Every spot on the next 2 pages is no none n/a or none.

I don't understand it. I agree with you. I'm just telling you what it says.

nickdawg & hookbill, please... just get a room. This whole TWC thing has gotten very very old. Can we please keep on topic?

Umm, what do you think we're discussing here? The latest fashion? :p:rolleyes::rolleyes: NO! We're talking about HDTV on the Cleveland Ohio HDTV Forum.

What is it with the drive by insults at the regulars? :confused::confused:

Toby, EAS is an FCC Requirement.
(http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/eas.html)

I'm aware of EAS. :)

from your FCC link:
"...to offer to the President the communications capability to address the American public during a national emergency. The system also may be used by state and local authorities to deliver important emergency information such as AMBER (missing children) alerts and emergency weather information targeted to a specific area."

National Emergency I completely understand. By all means, interrupt my Cartoon Network program to inform me the Russians have launched 420 ICBM's and we are instructed to put our heads between our legs and kiss our collective asses goodbye. No problem with that. :D

My problem is with the over intrusive usage of this EAS (which the FCC statement claims is optional, not mandated) for NON EMERGENCY Weather and Amber alerts. Put a little "W" or "A" in the upper left hand corner of the screen. If you are the paranoid type you can tune to ch 15 and read all the details of the impending "catastrophic, end of the world" thunderstorm headed your way. But then the rest of us, less worried about imminent death and destruction, can go about our lives and enjoy our program.

What is not needed is the big ass red bar, across the entire screen, scrolling print about the storm, ending with "turn to ch 15 for more details". This is especially intrusive when the world is only coming to an end in Huron County. Why does the entire system have to be informed of a thunderstorm in Huron? It doesn't even affect 95% of the viewers? They can target market commercials down to a few zip codes, they can't do the same with these silly warnings??

I've made it this far not wearing seat belts and no helmet on my motorcycle. My hobbies include skydiving, bungee jumping, whitewater rafting, and playing "cat & mouse" with the State Troopers on the Turnpike. I've never run to the basement due to tornado warnings. So I like my odds with snow and thunderstorms, and I really don't need the nanny-state to protect me, especially in such a silly, unnecessary and overly intrusive manner. ;)

By all means, interrupt my Cartoon Network program to inform me the Russians have launched 420 ICBM's and we are instructed to put our heads between our legs and kiss our collective asses goodbye. No problem with that. :D ;)
Personally, I'm a lot more worried about the Canadians. They're getting too close.

Umm, what do you think we're discussing here? The latest fashion? :p:rolleyes::rolleyes: NO! We're talking about HDTV on the Cleveland Ohio HDTV Forum.

What is it with the drive by insults at the regulars? :confused::confused:

His pattern is come in, take a shot, then disappear for a while. I've noticed that.

Personally, I'm a lot more worried about the Canadians. They're getting too close.

HA! LOL :D

And I lose just as much sleep over a Canadian or Russian attack/invasion as I do about impending weather problems. :p

I am replying via blackberry I am sitting in front of diagnostics screen. Page 1 key val: success m card I'd:nonehost auth: none authorization state: DISABLED. HOST AUTH: NONE

Every spot on the next 2 pages is no none n/a or none.

I don't understand it. I agree with you. I'm just telling you what it says.

Well, I just double checked my 8300HDC just now and aside from page 15 (second from last) which indeed has a lot of N/A or None status messages, all of the other cablecard related pages have the expected working status messages. So honestly I have no clue either. Not busting your chops or anything, but it would be a huge feat for the box to work without the cablecard. But as with everything else on these HDC boxes, who the h*ll knows. ;)

Well, I just double checked my 8300HDC just now and aside from page 15 (second from last) which indeed has a lot of N/A or None status messages, all of the other cablecard related pages have the expected working status messages. So honestly I have no clue either. Not busting your chops or anything, but it would be a huge feat for the box to work without the cablecard. But as with everything else on these HDC boxes, who the h*ll knows. ;)

See I only have 3 pages of cable card info. That's it. I have about 3 pages of SDV info. I understand your not busting my chops, I don't get it either.

I was probably wrong about 2 cards, obviously it has an M card in it so it wouldn't show any activity on slot 2, but it isn't showing anything in slot 1.

I don't know how this damn thing works! :o That's SA for you.:D

Also, on the subject of the EAS messages: I am gonna play devils advocate here and say I think it's a GREAT feature. Though here in legacy territory it's been greatly underused at least in comparison to what it seems from the claims of those here who are mostly congregated around Adelphia territory.

Basically the feature allows TWC to get an alert out: EAS, Amber alert, or otherwise along with a channel of audio to anyone with a set-top and have it display on any channel including playback of previously recorded programs, on demand programming, or even special application channels once those start coming back to us.

The only reason it may seem intrusive is the fact that we really have not had much happen in this area in quite a long while that has dictated use of the EAS system to a wide degree. I haven't seen any really life threatening storms here in quite some years. But it doesn't mean it's not possible and is one EXTREMELY good reason to have this feature especially if it happens to come to having a sudden breakout of tornadoes or such.

I remember way back when I still had Passport on both one of the single tuner DCT Pioneer boxes and the SA8000 DVR where when the feature was used it would even turn the box on to display it and the scrolling message would even use the Passport 'infobar' UI and scroll the text in a vertical fashion along with superimposing the classic EAS warning message and tones over the audio of whatever channel was on. The pioneer box was in my bedroom and the tv was powered and switched through the box so when it came on, so did the tv and I'd hear it and even wake up for it. This was always something I liked so god forbid something really bad happened in the middle of the night while fast asleep, I'd still have a chance of knowing about it.

Yeah, Northern Ohio is a bit of a boring area when it comes to this stuff. But EAS is a national thing and FCC mandated. It's a good thing for better or worse. I'd much rather have it and live with a little bit of extraneous use than get rid of it.

toby: I have no idea why they are displaying weather alerts for the whole region rather than specific headends. The only thing that comes to mind is maybe the alert message itself was not specific or the headends were laid out just precisely where each one fell under the coverage of that message so it seemed like it went out to everyone and not narrowed down? You have to remember that these systems are automated and have to be for their focus. Not like they have someone on the payroll in a cramped and pitch black 5'x5' room with a computer sitting there 24/7 and his job description is to meticulously say which specific boxes out of the thousands out there in the region should get the alert.

The EAS crap being overdone is just another reason people are abandoning "old media" . I totally agree the whole amber alert thing is totally overdone. Heck if their local cops who are supposed to be looking for "them" cant find them I'm sure not getting off my couch to look.

The EAS crap being overdone is just another reason people are abandoning "old media" .
Uhhh? You think THIS is a reason people are abandoning "old media" as you call it? That's a pretty huge claim. I would much sooner bet on stuff like the economy, increasing rates, f*cked up content providers jacking up their rates and increasing ad time, ever decreasing fair use rights...

Heck if their local cops who are supposed to be looking for "them" cant find them I'm sure not getting off my couch to look.

But what if you happened to just be out somewhere and happened to spot something relevant to the alert? Would you not care then? Yeah, sitting at home is another story. But it's not unbelievable to see something outside the house. Especially something such as a specific make and color of a car which is often a normal detail to see in these amber alerts especially for kidnappings. And it's not like they can have cops watching every single square inch of the area especially when the person may even be on the move (kidnapped or otherwise).

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Yeah, Northern Ohio is a bit of a boring area when it comes to this stuff. But EAS is a national thing and FCC mandated. It's a good thing for better or worse. I'd much rather have it and live with a little bit of extraneous use than get rid of it.

toby: I have no idea why they are displaying weather alerts for the whole region rather than specific headends. The only thing that comes to mind is maybe the alert message itself was not specific or the headends were laid out just precisely where each one fell under the coverage of that message so it seemed like it went out to everyone and not narrowed down? You have to remember that these systems are automated and have to be for their focus. Not like they have someone on the payroll in a cramped and pitch black 5'x5' room with a computer sitting there 24/7 and his job description is to meticulously say which specific boxes out of the thousands out there in the region should get the alert.

And that's all well and good for true "life threatening" events. NOT every damn thunderstorm that comes within 100 miles of me! ;)

How about just putting it on only during commercials? Add a "W-15" to stations without commercials. If it is so damn necessary and so needed why have they not implemented a program to dial EVERY phone number within the "affected" area with a weather warning message?

I guess those watching a DVD or not watching TV at all are not worth saving? :eek:

How about giving me the option to dismiss the warning once presented like I can dismiss my caller ID on my TV? "Ok, thank you for informing me of snow fall in January in NEO. You have yet again saved my life. But I'm informed now and require no further updates on this storm."

It's silly, not implemented in a common sense manor, and is WAY overused for basic weather events.

Uhhh? You think THIS is a reason people are abandoning "old media" as you call it? That's a pretty huge claim. I would much sooner bet on stuff like the economy, increasing rates, f*cked up content providers jacking up their rates and increasing ad time, ever decreasing fair use rights...



But what if you happened to just be out somewhere and happened to spot something relevant to the alert? Would you not care then? Yeah, sitting at home is another story. But it's not unbelievable to see something outside the house. Especially something such as a specific make and color of a car which is often a normal detail to see in these amber alerts especially for kidnappings. And it's not like they can have cops watching every single square inch of the area especially when the person may even be on the move (kidnapped or otherwise).

Again, that all sounds warm and cozy. But if an Amber alert was implemented cuz a kid goes missing in Mentor why am I being bothered in Strongsville?

It's SILLY.

They keep doing these Amber alert things, too often and constantly bothering people WAY far away from the actual problem area and NOONE will pay attention to them. Cry wolf???

Like I said, I have no idea how the Adelphia/Comcast areas up that way have the whole thing set up. And I agree if it is being so widely and haphazardly used like you claim, it is a bit much.

What I do know though is that it is used much more sparingly and more tactly down here in legacy territory. In fact, the only time I have seen it run for a number of years now is just for an EAS test message which is run maybe once every 3 or 4 months.

Like I said, I have no idea how the Adelphia/Comcast areas up that way have the whole thing set up. And I agree if it is being so widely and haphazardly used like you claim, it is a bit much.

What I do know though is that it is used much more sparingly and more tactly down here in legacy territory. In fact, the only time I have seen it run for a number of years now is just for an EAS test message which is run maybe once every 3 or 4 months.

I'm on WOW. But I'd bet if your TV viewing were interrupted as I originally described (5 evenings IN A ROW, big ass RED banner across the screen) you might feel a little differently. :)

Just received this e-mail this morning:

Good Morning-

If I got a box to you prior to April 1, would you be a 'tester' to see if our instructions for installation make sense?

Thank you--Jeanie

so... apparently I may be a beta tester for the tuning adapter. :) We'll see.

EAS and Amber alert:

First, EAS. I'm not so mad at the banner on screen. I MORE Pissed at the g-damn noise that accompanies the banner. I watch TV at night, that's usually when it happens. BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPP!!!! BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPP!! BBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPP!! BEEEEEEP BEEEEEEEEEEEPP BEEEEEEEEEPP!!!

Sorry about that, my post was interrupted by an EAS test!! :o :p:p:p Whenever that happens, instead of reading their damn message I'm busy trying every button to DISMISS that banner. How about doing away with the loud, abrasive beeping? Or using a shorter, less obnoxious one?

The other thing I cannot stand is when they play an audio track. I heard this one time during a tornado warning. These assclowns had some kind of garbled, police scanner sounding audio. It sounded like the NWS or someone reading the weather warning---through a CB radio. Couldn't understand a word! Thanks for blocking the audio on my show for that s---! :mad:

Now, the Amber Alert system, don't even get me started on that POS. It started out with good intentions. A way to notify the public when there is a kidnapping. But of all the times I've seen it used, it was used for no reason or it was not effective.

The damn Amber Alert should be called a Jerry Springer Alert. I get tired very fast of seeing messages interrupting my shows just to tell me that a child was kidnapped, BY HER DAD!! That's right, people's dysfunctional custodial bulls... causes me to miss my shows. I'll tell you what, when a kid is kidnapped by a STRANGER or some pervert, THEN you can interrupt my show! :rolleyes:

Also, it is usually ineffective. One night while watching Jay Leno they had that AA bulls... on the screen. They're telling us to be ON THE LOOKOUT for a person and a vehicle at 12:20 AFTER MIDNIGHT!!! Oh yes, we're all gonna be able to see a person and a car they mentioned from our houses. POINTLESS!!

Like I said, I have no idea how the Adelphia/Comcast areas up that way have the whole thing set up. And I agree if it is being so widely and haphazardly used like you claim, it is a bit much.

What I do know though is that it is used much more sparingly and more tactly down here in legacy territory. In fact, the only time I have seen it run for a number of years now is just for an EAS test message which is run maybe once every 3 or 4 months.

More like 3 or 4 times every month! :p I've seen it several times a month, at different times. Sometimes at night, sometimes in the morning, maybe even afternoon:eek:. The strangest time was when it came on right before Good Company. Then WKYC ran their own EAS test too.

But what if you happened to just be out somewhere and happened to spot something relevant to the alert? Would you not care then? Yeah, sitting at home is another story. But it's not unbelievable to see something outside the house. Especially something such as a specific make and color of a car which is often a normal detail to see in these amber alerts especially for kidnappings. And it's not like they can have cops watching every single square inch of the area especially when the person may even be on the move (kidnapped or otherwise).[/QUOTE]

I dont watch TV in my car
So again how relevant is it to me sitting in my living room
NOT
Funny thing is I do listen to the car radio and seldom hear amber alerts.
So that speaks to the discussion, come on cable operators, instead of broadcasting every EAS bulletin from a 12 county area lets limit it to my city !

More like 3 or 4 times every month! :p I've seen it several times a month, at different times. Sometimes at night, sometimes in the morning, maybe even afternoon:eek:. The strangest time was when it came on right before Good Company. Then WKYC ran their own EAS test too.

I generally appreciate those EAS alerts. Yes, it might be annoying to have my favorite show interrupted, but when it happens, it means that Real Life is knocking at the door, and I'd much rather know what's up so I can make my own decisions about it's potential impact on myself and my family.

But what if you happened to just be out somewhere and happened to spot something relevant to the alert? Would you not care then? Yeah, sitting at home is another story. But it's not unbelievable to see something outside the house. Especially something such as a specific make and color of a car which is often a normal detail to see in these amber alerts especially for kidnappings. And it's not like they can have cops watching every single square inch of the area especially when the person may even be on the move (kidnapped or otherwise).

I dont watch TV in my car
So again how relevant is it to me sitting in my living room
NOT
Funny thing is I do listen to the car radio and seldom hear amber alerts.
So that speaks to the discussion, come on cable operators, instead of broadcasting every EAS bulletin from a 12 county area lets limit it to my city ![/QUOTE]
Back in the day, when I was in L.A. and listened to 94.7 KMET the disk jockeys would say before an Emergency Broadcast System alert "In order to keep the paranoia at a proper level"...........:D

I don't see all these alerts. I just see the ones the stations use. I think I've seen maybe 2 cable alerts when I was watching my DVR.

Let me state first that I do not watch WOIO "Action News," but because I record Judge Judy and there simply isn't anything else I remotely want on the television I put it on as background noise.

I may start watching Oprah, or Ellen, or something. Anything.

At 6:17 pm while I was eating dinner, as I'm sure many others in Northeast Ohio were doing they ran a story about a law the Cleveland City Council was going to consider on, get this, and stop reading if you are eating, drinking urine. They proceeded to then go into detail about some clown who was shutting off the water in some toilets somewhere and then after people got done doing their thing this clown drank the urine.

Gross. I mean major gross, unnecessary and what timing. The on air people are laughing saying "hope you wern't eating during that story." WTF do people do around 6 to 7 pm? OMG, I hear they are on twitter I'm gonna look them up and post on it if I can find them. Outrageous.

If they didn't have the majority of the shows I watch I would boycott CBS. I might write CBS. Something, that was just too much.

Why not just watch "Judge Judy" live? :p

Why not just watch "Judge Judy" live? :p

Because I want to actually "watch" her and I can't do that when I'm running around the house. Anyway this happened at 6:00 news I could have changed the channel, I just have it on I don't think about it.

I blasted channel 19 on twitter, I don't expect a response from them.

Because I want to actually "watch" her and I can't do that when I'm running around the house. Anyway this happened at 6:00 news I could have changed the channel, I just have it on I don't think about it.

Ohhh, I see. Court shows really are shows you have to "watch". Especially Judy. I like what she says.

For 6pm TV, I recommend Channel 3 News.

Ohhh, I see. Court shows really are shows you have to "watch". Especially Judy. I like what she says.

For 6pm TV, I recommend Channel 3 News.

Next time you get sarcastic remember to use the rolleyes.:p

Thanks for your advise nickdawg.:rolleyes:

I generally appreciate those EAS alerts. Yes, it might be annoying to have my favorite show interrupted, but when it happens, it means that Real Life is knocking at the door, and I'd much rather know what's up so I can make my own decisions about it's potential impact on myself and my family.

Agreed. Not to mention that if you have a DVR, it's easier to rewind what you missed after it's over with since the on-box alerts aren't captured in the recording. At least you DO have that option.

Hey, I really do like Judge Judy and other court shows. That wasn't sarcastic!