Adam

Your tuner adapter simply needs to pick up the new channels. Plug it back in and hook up the USB. Then go to messages & settings navigate to cards & devices then select tuner adapter. It should say it needs to get channel info. Select continue and then go to live tv. You should get a receiving channels press TiVo. Do that wait about 2 minutes then try live tv again. Your channels should all be there.

I did that several times, but no dice. I was gone for the weekend, so I'm hoping some stuff was able to resolve itself. I still can't figure out why I lost all of my standard def programming.

I did that several times, but no dice. I was gone for the weekend, so I'm hoping some stuff was able to resolve itself. I still can't figure out why I lost all of my standard def programming.

OK, so are you getting digital channels, just analog? What exactly are you getting?

If you are getting digital channels and some HD channels but not the new ones, that is a tuner adapter issue. Are you sure you went to the menu and let it find programming?

If you're not getting digital channels then they need to rehit your card, and the best way to do that is to have them hit it while you are rebooting.

Nothing with TiVo gets resolved on its own, usually it requires the cable company to do something. If it ever did "resolve" on it's own then probably somebody somewhere sent you a hit and you wern't aware of it.

Right, I was getting no analog channels, and not all of my HD channels either (no 403, 405, or 407). I was still getting stuff like ESPN, TNT, TBS, and that sort of thing.

I just had someone hit the card but its still not working, and the green light on the tuning adapter won't stay solidly lit...it keeps flashing. It goes to the "Acquiring channel information" screen for a minute or so, but nothing new shows up.

Right, I was getting no analog channels, and not all of my HD channels either (no 403, 405, or 407). I was still getting stuff like ESPN, TNT, TBS, and that sort of thing.

I just had someone hit the card but its still not working, and the green light on the tuning adapter won't stay solidly lit...it keeps flashing. It goes to the "Acquiring channel information" screen for a minute or so, but nothing new shows up.

Well, that's what it should do. Except the green light is suppose to stop flashing.

So let me see if I understand. At this time you are getting analog channels 2-99 right?

You are also getting your digital channels over 100?

The only HD channels missing as of now are the SDV ones?

Is that a good summary or am I missing something?

This is the cable card hotline 866.532.2598. Just tell them customer serviced patched you through to them. I think they can get you squared away if it isn't a bad tuner adapter.

Let me know how that works for you.

No, I am getting no channels between 2 and 99 except for 22. The rest give me a grey screen and "Channel not available" or just a grey screen.

Ditto most of the channels over 100. It looks like I'm getting one of the kids' channels, and Animal Planet on 133. I also appear to be getting a few in the 130s and 150s except for the SDV channels. I am getting 188 which is an SDV channel according to the list I got from TWC with the tuning adapter.

In the 400s I am missing 403, 405, 407, 408, 435, 436, and the new channels like MLB, ESPNews, USAHD, etc.

The guy I was chatting with online thought it might be a faulty tuning adapter, and that they were showing a good connection with my cablecard.

No, I am getting no channels between 2 and 99 except for 22. The rest give me a grey screen and "Channel not available" or just a grey screen.

Ditto most of the channels over 100. It looks like I'm getting one of the kids' channels, and Animal Planet on 133. I also appear to be getting a few in the 130s and 150s except for the SDV channels. I am getting 188 which is an SDV channel according to the list I got from TWC with the tuning adapter.

In the 400s I am missing 403, 405, 407, 408, 435, 436, and the new channels like MLB, ESPNews, USAHD, etc.

The guy I was chatting with online thought it might be a faulty tuning adapter, and that they were showing a good connection with my cablecard.

Did you tell me that when you removed the tuner adapter that those other channels returned? I thought you did. If that's the case it's gotta be the tuner adapter then.

No, the only thing that changed when I removed the tuning adapter is that under the "DVR Diagnostics" menu it went from showing "bad tune state" for the Cablecard to showing that it was functioning properly.

With the tuning adapter connect, if I go to the Tuning Adapter menu and then to Tuning Adapter Diagnostics menu, and scroll down to "SWITCHED DIGITAL VIDEO" it shows Authorized: Yes and SDV Channels: 103. But if I back out of that menu and then go to "Test Channels using CableCARD 1" in the Tuning Adapter menu it says "No channels available. Press Clear to exit."

I'm beginning to think that it is a tuning adapter issue, which would make the new problem going about getting a new one.

Tonight's the night---maybe? Or is it? We might see new channels, or not.

Tomorrow might be the day HD Net is dropped from the lineup? Or not? I'll bet that one happens in all areas, TWC loves taking stuff away from us! :p

You think right now I'm the least bit concerned about additional channels? The only thing I care about is 5/27 and how much problem SDV is going to cause my Tivo. I may have to take some xanex to relieve my anxieety
Now I understand not everyone wit Tivo had a problem but it would just be my luck to have an issue. I wouldn't be surprised if I stayed up late just to monitor what happends on the morning.

I. Will worry about the other HD channels once I cross that first bridge.

im happy about the new hd, hope its tomorrow but im sure gonna miss my hdnet movies

You think right now I'm the least bit concerned about additional channels? The only thing I care about is 5/27 and how much problem SDV is going to cause my Tivo. I may have to take some xanex to relieve my anxieety
Now I understand not everyone wit Tivo had a problem but it would just be my luck to have an issue. I wouldn't be surprised if I stayed up late just to monitor what happends on the morning.

I. Will worry about the other HD channels once I cross that first bridge.

lol..i hope u dont go through what i did...but it was all worth it now that everything works!

You think right now I'm the least bit concerned about additional channels? The only thing I care about is 5/27 and how much problem SDV is going to cause my Tivo. I may have to take some xanex to relieve my anxieety
Now I understand not everyone wit Tivo had a problem but it would just be my luck to have an issue. I wouldn't be surprised if I stayed up late just to monitor what happends on the morning.

I. Will worry about the other HD channels once I cross that first bridge.

I hope everything works out for you. I feel bad for all the Tito owners who put out huge bucks to buy fancy recording machines only to have them turned to crap by incompetent cable providers.

I'll bet you will have some problems, as they seem to universal with each batch of new added channels. I can't even begin to wrap my mind around the cable card issues. Lucky for you you have that excellent TWC contact. I KNOW he/she ;) will be able to fix any problem you have!

im happy about the new hd, hope its tomorrow but im sure gonna miss my hdnet movies

I know. It was the most disappointing news. I don't watch that channel all the time, but it was nice to find a good movie there occasionally, especially since they are HD, usually OAR and with no commercials or crap on screen.

Smithsonian and "mav tv" will in no way replace the HD Net channels.

I know. It was the most disappointing news. I don't watch that channel all the time, but it was nice to find a good movie there occasionally, especially since they are HD, usually OAR and with no commercials or crap on screen.

Smithsonian and "mav tv" will in no way replace the HD Net channels.

ya i also didnt watch it regularly, but i would always find a movie thats never on other channels in hd.. oh well what ya gonna do...

sightings yet ????

Has anyone in Twinsburg had any luck doing a rescan to find the new QAM channel locations. I just got back from a few days out of town, and I am rescanning now. What a PITA.

Oh yeah, still no new HD channels in Twinsburg.

Orange - Have found everything but WKYC 3-1. There is a 480i version at 91-3 but still have not found the HD version of channel 3 (even after numerous resets and rescans). I thought TWC was required to supply a clear QAM version of all the locals?

TWC has reached a multiyear distribution deal with RFD-TV, which I assume is National..While they have a lot of agricultural/farm shows, they also have some Classic Country Music Shows..hosted by Ex-TNN personalities..Has anyone heard whether TWC/NEO (specifically Akron-Canton) might add this sometime?

http://www.rfdtv.com/Press/Releases/HTML/Time_Deal.asp

sightings yet ????

no new hd here in sharon,pa.. hoping they would be up this am..

FYI

4 new channels showed up here this morning in N. Olmsted.

439 Golf HD
451 Science HD
453 Nat Geographic HD
483 CNN HD

FYI

4 new channels showed up here this morning in N. Olmsted.

439 Golf HD
451 Science HD
453 Nat Geographic HD
483 CNN HD

was this all we were suppost to get this time around ??

Would have been nice if they added Verus now instead of later..so we could watch NHL Playoffs in HD...

Remember a few days ago I told you guys that TW was going to lay a thicker underground cable for me from my house to the box? They are here doing it now.

That took all of 1 week, not bad IMHO.:)

Now lets hope he doesn't hit the power lines, lol. If he does I got a generator but neighbors may not be happy.:p;)

BTW, it's a subcontractor.

lol..i hope u dont go through what i did...but it was all worth it now that everything works!

From what I can see the tuner adapters are working and I've got a good idea how they work so I think if anything occures, I'll be able to deal with it.

BTW, it's a subcontractor.

I think TWC employs several people who basically act as flak-catchers when the subcontractors screw up. Their main job is to express horror and disbelief at the shoddy workshop of subcontractors. Their secondary job (and they are good at this) is to fix the hardware problem as it should have been done in the first place while letting the customer think they are getting special treatment.

FYI

4 new channels showed up here this morning in N. Olmsted.

439 Golf HD
451 Science HD
453 Nat Geographic HD
483 CNN HD

We now have all the above channels along with

478 FX
485 Fox News

channels are up for me and working good.. looks like ill be watching a lot more tv.. nice job tw!

We now have all the above channels along with

478 FX
485 Fox News

:)

Even though I don't have it I'm thrilled to see FX showing up on your guide. Hopefully I'll be able to record next weeks Rescue Me in HD. Heck I know it recorded it last night but maybe I can pick it up later in the week.

channels are up for me and working good.. looks like ill be watching a lot more tv.. nice job tw!

Really glad to hear that about yours specially since you have TiVo.

I honestly believe I know how to bypass that issue you had with yours. We will see if I'm right tomorrow. That is if it is an issue. Not everyone with a TA had an issue.

I wonder whatever happened to Ed, last I heard he was still having issues with his TiVo.

Really glad to hear that about yours specially since you have TiVo.

I honestly believe I know how to bypass that issue you had with yours. We will see if I'm right tomorrow. That is if it is an issue. Not everyone with a TA had an issue.

I wonder whatever happened to Ed, last I heard he was still having issues with his TiVo.

i dont have tivo, in the earlier post i was talking about the launch of sdv and how it was a mess for me.. sorry for the confusion

i dont have tivo, in the earlier post i was talking about the launch of sdv and how it was a mess for me.. sorry for the confusion

Oh that's ok, I can't remember who does and doesn't. As I said I'll find out how I come out of this tomorrow.

All the new channels listed above are active here in Columbia Station, ex-Adelphia area.

:)

Even though I don't have it I'm thrilled to see FX showing up on your guide. Hopefully I'll be able to record next weeks Rescue Me in HD. Heck I know it recorded it last night but maybe I can pick it up later in the week.

I get to watch Rescue Me on F/X HD tonight! :p

Nickdawg's movin on up! I hope you join us in the HD channel club next week!

BTW, it's a subcontractor.

It usually is a subcontractor. Both times I had techs out, they had TWC vans. The guy who did the rewiring was a subcontractor. I guess they don't think it's worth wasting their own people on wiring.

They can always schedule another service call to fix what the last person screwed up! ;)

Got all the new HD channels listed above,looks good. Located in the New Erie area(Port Clinton).Old Adelphia User.Anyone in this area know why we have never gotten NBC in HD?? Not even listed in the guide with the other networks.Nice forum, been a lurker for awhile,always find out more about TW problems from here then anywhere else. TY

Koonzee,

I'm also in the Port Clinton (old Adelphia) area. I contacted Time Warner last September about NBC (WNWODT). I was told they were in negotiations with WNWO and our area should receive the channel by the end of the year (2008).
We don't have it yet, so I don't know what the holdup is.

I wonder whatever happened to Ed, last I heard he was still having issues with his TiVo.

I'm still here. Sorry I've been so quiet. A few weeks ago when I was having TA issues I was told I had the wrong box for my area(??) I should've had one with a orange sticker on the side. So I tried to go to the office to switch boxes and of course they didn't have any and said I'd have to go online to be put on a waiting list to be called back. :mad:

I got home and left the TA in the box for a week and then said what the heck and re-attached to the TiVo. Well, viola! All the HD I channels I'm supposed to be getting are coming in now!:eek: So that's where we stand right now. I'll have to see what's happening with the new batch tonight when I get home.

Hey hook, did TiVo add guide info for today's new HD offerings yet?

So far I'm unimpressed with these new channels. I looked at the listings for Golf, most of it is Paid Programming and the rest is more boring than the paid programs-GOLF!! What a waste! I've been watching CNNHD all day, the only thing in HD is the damn commercials!! CNN Newsroom and now The Situation Room just have generic red "HD" bars on the side. Though I suppose it could be worse, at least it is not stretchovision!

Reminder, tonight at 8, 5 will be airing a special about Ted Henry's retirement.

I'm still here. Sorry I've been so quiet. A few weeks ago when I was having TA issues I was told I had the wrong box for my area(??) I should've had one with a orange sticker on the side. So I tried to go to the office to switch boxes and of course they didn't have any and said I'd have to go online to be put on a waiting list to be called back. :mad:

I got home and left the TA in the box for a week and then said what the heck and re-attached to the TiVo. Well, viola! All the HD I channels I'm supposed to be getting are coming in now!:eek: So that's where we stand right now. I'll have to see what's happening with the new batch tonight when I get home.

Hey hook, did TiVo add guide info for today's new HD offerings yet?
I know my HD TiVo got it so I forced a connection with my S3. Info coming in as I type this.

I know you probably tried it but I think the connection solution is unplug tuner adapter, plug it back in then unplug USB and plug back. Continue on to the tuner adapter diagnostic screen. If you can see diagnostics go to live tv and you should see a receiving channels message.

That's what I think lol. I will find out tomorrow.

I know my HD TiVo got it so I forced a connection with my S3. Info coming in as I type this.

I know you probably tried it but I think the connection solution is unplug tuner adapter, plug it back in then unplug USB and plug back. Continue on to the tuner adapter diagnostic screen. If you can see diagnostics go to live tv and you should see a receiving channels message.

That's what I think lol. I will find out tomorrow.

TiVoHD in Sheffield

Channels haven't hit the TiVo guide yet, but I am able to access all the new ones except for Fox News HD, CNN HD, and Golf HD by entering the channel number. These channels get "This channel is temporarily unavailable".

May try to force a connection in a bit.

TiVoHD in Sheffield

Channels haven't hit the TiVo guide yet, but I am able to access all the new ones except for Fox News HD, CNN HD, and Golf HD by entering the channel number. These channels get "This channel is temporarily unavailable".

May try to force a connection in a bit.

Forced a connection. Looks like "SMTHHD" (471) and "MAVTVHD" (472) were added to the guide. SMTHHD doesn't work right now but MAVTVHD does. I believe both of these are new to me.

FX, Golf, CNN, etc still not added to the guide.

Forced a connection. Looks like "SMTHHD" (471) and "MAVTVHD" (472) were added to the guide. SMTHHD doesn't work right now but MAVTVHD does. I believe both of these are new to me.

FX, Golf, CNN, etc still not added to the guide.

If new guide data isn't there by tomorrow I will report it provided I have the channels.:). If I don't one of you lucky people can phone it in.

If new guide data isn't there by tomorrow I will report it provided I have the channels.:). If I don't one of you lucky people can phone it in.

Yeah I'm getting Mav and Smithsonian data too but not the actual channels yet. The new batch of HD have the correct ID's on the channels but no guide data.

Who do we phone it in to?

Yeah I'm getting Mav and Smithsonian data too but not the actual channels yet. The new batch of HD have the correct ID's on the channels but no guide data.

Who do we phone it in to?

TiVo. Call them with the channel numbers and name of channels. MAKE SURE YOU GET A CASE NUMBER.

You could also contact Tribune Media www.zap2it.com. If it isn't available by tomorrow everyone should call . There is power in numbers.

Now if only TWC would get rid of the g-damn VOD portal channels on 479, 480 and 484. I hate those things! It impedes channel surfing because it takes so long for the data to load.

Although I do find int ironic and comical that FAUX News and Adult HD(aka P0RN HD) are right next to each other. Two channels that should never be viewed by children with impressionable minds! ;)

Is this the last round of high def channels or are we getting more at the end of June? If we are, does anyone know what the next round in June is suppose to be?

Is this the last round of high def channels or are we getting more at the end of June? If we are, does anyone know what the next round in June is suppose to be?

June 15th.

LMN
Travel
AMC
Verses
Speed
ESPNU
MLB Extra Innings Hd

As Cathode Kid predicted, I woke to find all kinds of new HD channels. However I did not get FX or any of the new ones that came out yesterday.

Perhaps later in the day I will see it.

I checked my HD TiVo first and it went off without a hitch MLB Network, CNBC Animal Planet, TLC the whole gang showed up at my door today.

It went almost without a hitch. Tuner Adapters immediately recognized the SDV on both TiVo's but typical of TW they didn't send a hit to one of my TiVo's. I had to call in, once I got a hit I was in business.

Again it's just so much easier if you write down the cable card number. I can't stress that enough when dealing with TW and it allows you to take control of the television.

Of course I double checked the 4250 and none of the new channels from yesterday are there either. Box had to have rebooted as I now notice it starts at channel 1 instead of 23, that will confuse the crap out of my wife when she returns.;)

So hopefully I will have the other new channels later in the day. At least I have most of them.

Apparently I am receiving all the new channels with the exception of Mav & Smith. I assume you guys are receiving those.

Manually punching in the channels brought it up but I have no guide data on the TiVos for GOLF, SCIENCE, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, FX AND FOX NEWS (all HD) I double checked the 4250 and guide data is there but 471 and 472 do not have MAV and SMITH listed, they are still HDnet and HDnet Movies.

Don't know if you reported getting those yesterday but they appear to be part of the new premium tier.:rolleyes:. Good luck getting me to pay 6 bucks for that.

And just for nickdawgs benefit, I will see Resuce Me in HD, I set up an 11 pm manual recording on Friday.;) I wouldn't be watching for a while anyway.

Now as part of my duties today I will call TiVo and get a ticket number for the channels we did not receive guide data for. Strangely enough they have FXHD listed as Big Ten On Demand.

So SDV has arrived, and it's looking good (so far). Thanks to Cathode Kid for the tip off on the exact day.

I think it works faster to get guide data change if more then one person calls in. Number to call is 877.367.8486. Channels we need are 439 Golf HD, 451 Science HD, 453 National Geographic HD, and 485 Fox News HD. We also need to report that channel 478 is incorrectly listed as Big10HD on Demand and is actually 478 FX. When you call make sure you get a ticket number. This will benefit all of us. Thanks in advance.

I think it works faster to get guide data change if more then one person calls in. Number to call is 877.367.8486. Channels we need are 439 Golf HD, 451 Science HD, 453 National Geographic HD, and 485 Fox News HD. We also need to report that channel 478 is incorrectly listed as Big10HD on Demand and is actually 478 FX. When you call make sure you get a ticket number. This will benefit all of us. Thanks in advance.

Done! Have a ticket number in hand. Also indicated 483 was CNN HD. He did note this was initially reported this morning (Hook!) I'd never called TiVo CS before, they seemed fast and efficient and knew what they were takling about (yeah, I'm lookin' at you TW!):rolleyes:

He did say it might take 5-7 days for the changes to go through...

got mavtv and smith today..no more hdnets booo lol..also no guide data on them yet on 8300hdc

Done! Have a ticket number in hand. Also indicated 483 was CNN HD. He did note this was initially reported this morning (Hook!) I'd never called TiVo CS before, they seemed fast and efficient and knew what they were takling about (yeah, I'm lookin' at you TW!):rolleyes:

He did say it might take 5-7 days for the changes to go through...

Thanks for the back up, Ed I missed CNN on 483. I missed that one on the list of new channels, didn't even search for it myself. Will take a look at that in a few minutes.

I just had the TW cable guy at my home(low signal, every time the temperature goes over 75 degrees I lost 3 or 4 HD channels.
But anyway I ask him about the SDV in the Amherst/Elyria area. He said that they had to switch out all the Motorola boxes in the area and they were shooting for the end of June.

got mavtv and smith today..no more hdnets booo lol..also no guide data on them yet on 8300hdc

Yeah, I saw they were on the guide with no data on the 4250. Those appear to be replacements for the upper tier as I got a "contact customer service" for these channels message on the 4250.

I still have grid/banner ID "HDNET", "HDNMV" on 471 and 472. However, 471 now has a "Smithsonian HD" logo in the corner and I saw a "MAV TV" commercial on 472. Now it looks like TWC will torture us by showing us what we could be watching on HD NET/Movies.

Hey Hookbill, are you still getting UHD as a part of the Basic Tier or did they move it to the HDTV Tier, where it belongs?

*But really, it belongs in the basic tier so I can dump the HD Tier with the crappy new channels.

I checked, I have all the new HD channels including that Mav channel. Cool stuff, keep em rolling in.

I checked, I have all the new HD channels including that Mav channel. Cool stuff, keep em rolling in.

Just wait, we are now only 18 days away from 6 more channels. On June 15: ESPNU, Speed, Versus, Travel Channel, Lifetime Movie, AMC.

Now I want to know where This TV is? According to the same HD page, This TV was supposed to be added on May 15 in areas with WUAB.

EDIT: On box, I now have "SMTHD" and "MAVHD" on 471 and 472, but with no guide data.

just for the sake of us lurkers and infrequent posters AND technically challenged HD lovers, do we need to do anything special to make sure these channels STAY in our lineup? I started seeing the new channels last night (boy, does the MLB baseball HD station look awesome on my new panasonic plasma) and was just wondering if we have to save them or anything. thanks for the help. by the way, no 471 or 472 and FXHD is only on for a moment then says I have to call about receiving this channel. oh well.

Disappointed. Lose HDNet and HDNet Movies and we still have not gotten any of the new channels. When will TWC bring HD to the City. Have 3 tuning adapters doing absolutely nothing. Called Customer Care tonight and they have no idea what SDV even is let alone whether we are supposed to receive the channels or not. Rebooted two boxes and Three Tivos and nothing.

:mad:

one other interesting thing. I just bought a new 32 LCD HDTV for my bedroom and set it up yesterday. just auto programmed it (basic cable, no box, just cable straight into tv) and tonight I have four local HD stations (8.1, 19.1, 43.1, 49.1) playing on it, plus 43.2 THIS TV. not sure if TWC is running some special I hadn't heard about but what makes it strange is that these channels do not show up on my HDTV in the living room, even after I tried auto programming it.

Hey Hookbill, are you still getting UHD as a part of the Basic Tier or did they move it to the HDTV Tier, where it belongs?

*But really, it belongs in the basic tier so I can dump the HD Tier with the crappy new channels.
Guess what? They took Universal away from me. Oh well I never look at it anyway.

Guess what? They took Universal away from me. Oh well I never look at it anyway.

GOOD! At least now TWC is being FAIR.

But seriously, I wish TWC would move it to Basic Tier for EVERYONE. Since this channel has advertisements, there's no reason why it should be a PAY channel. If they did, I'd probably dump the HDTV Tier. Haven't had a chance to look at the "new" channels SMTHD and MAVHD, but I assume they suck. Still no guide data. The 4250 still tells me hwhat's on HDNET and HDNMV. Which is a motherf---ing shame, since Big Fish is on HDNET Movies tonight and when I tune the channels I get f---ing MAV HD. :mad::mad::mad:

Crime Warner Cable: The Power To Screw YOU

BTW, did you see that I downgraded the "fail" of SDV today? ;)

Yep. No positive changes here. HDNets gone, Smithsonian and Mav in. I'll give them a call tomorrow to cancel the HD tier and complain a bit. Once the NBA postseason is over I can cancel cable altogether and probably not feel too bad about it.

I have yet to get CNN HD 483 and Fox HD 485-I have the "call to receive channel message, though as far as I know, I have the HD package..

I had a few minutes this morning so I decided to see what nickdawg was gripping about with CNN HD. He's right. It's SD surrounded by some fancy bars that have weather info when I saw it. Commercials are in glorious HD.:rolleyes:

I can remember a time in this forum when people were complaining about commercials not being in HD.;)

I also looked, with great trepidation, at FOX NEWS and they actually had HD going on, although there was a lot of mixed SD with that. Good job of mixing the two, I felt. Problem is I'll never look at it since FOX is so unfair and unbalanced.

Why not MSNBC instead of CNBC? Just my opinion, I'd rather see another shot at decent news then a bunch of financial mumble jumble 1/2 of which I don't understand.

Animal Planet I looked at yesterday and that was gorgeous. They should have more shows about parrots however. Does anybody really care about dogs? Oh, you guys do. Sorry.:o

SDV in general looked pretty good, I'm not a videophile but it may have some effect on the quality of what I was seeing while watching the Dodgers, the team with the best record in baseball, on MLB Extra Innings. Or maybe it was the weather, lots of break up and sound drop offs but it seemed to be happening during thunderstorm. I don't know if it's related. Most of the game was good and of course the Dodgers won.

And I can't leave without letting everyone know that for what I believe is the first time in 10 years FOX is actually going to show the Dodgers in this area on Saturday against the Cubs. After watching the Tribe all season, tune in you will get to see a quality baseball team in HD. Am I rubbing it in? You bet I am.:p

Still no guide data. The 4250 still tells me hwhat's on HDNET and HDNMV. Which is a motherf---ing shame, since Big Fish is on HDNET Movies tonight and when I tune the channels I get f---ing MAV HD. :mad::mad::mad:



Now I do have guide data for those two stations on my TiVo. But I already unchecked the box on one of my TiVos for those stations and will do the same with the other. I need guide data for the channels I receive.

I also noticed that there were other errors in Tribune Medias guide but hey, it's on demand channels so I don't care.

I just had the TW cable guy at my home(low signal, every time the temperature goes over 75 degrees I lost 3 or 4 HD channels.
But anyway I ask him about the SDV in the Amherst/Elyria area. He said that they had to switch out all the Motorola boxes in the area and they were shooting for the end of June.


In Mentor we have MAVHD and SmithsonianHD in the old HDNet and HDNet Movies locations. My old Motorolla DVR box has up to date guide info for the new replacment channels but my bedroom SA4250 does not have any guide data as of last night. If it is not there when I get home this evening I will reboot the reciever.

Schandorsky,
I assume we will get get the SDV conversion at the same time since we are in the same old Comcast boat. If they are planning on replacing the Motorolla boxes I would guess Motorolla box users should be recieving some sort of letter about this. I have been planning to swap my Motorolla DVR box out anyways since its been showing a stuttering image on various channels on and off. My SA4250 does not have this stuttering problem and its on a longer cable run so I am assuming its not the signal.

ray

I also looked, with great trepidation, at FOX NEWS and they actually had HD going on, although there was a lot of mixed SD with that. Good job of mixing the two, I felt. Problem is I'll never look at it since FOX is so unfair and unbalanced.

Why not MSNBC instead of CNBC? Just my opinion, I'd rather see another shot at decent news then a bunch of financial mumble jumble 1/2 of which I don't understand.


Hookbill, I think your politics are showing.:rolleyes:

As far as MSNBC goes, according to the Nielsen ratings they are ranked 24th among basic cable channels. By comparison Fox News is ranked 2nd.:p

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=US:NWS&feed=BW&date=20090331&id=9746020

Hookbill, I think your politics are showing.:rolleyes:

As far as MSNBC goes, according to the Nielsen ratings they are ranked 24th among basic cable channels. By comparison Fox News is ranked 2nd.:p

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Sorry about the political comment.

I did give them credit for their broadcast pq.

And ratings don't always tell the real story. I'd like to know the demographics of those Neilsen ratings. I'll bet that would tell a story in itself.

Schandorsky,
I assume we will get get the SDV conversion at the same time since we are in the same old Comcast boat. If they are planning on replacing the Motorolla boxes I would guess Motorolla box users should be recieving some sort of letter about this. I have been planning to swap my Motorolla DVR box out anyways since its been showing a stuttering image on various channels on and off. My SA4250 does not have this stuttering problem and its on a longer cable run so I am assuming its not the signal.

ray

If I were in the old Comcast area I'd switch my box. You're going to have to anyway eventually.

If anyone else noticed I think the WJW-8 feed to TWC is back to being a straight digital simulcast. Noticed the 8-1 bug being cut off last night watching Seinfeld.

In Mentor we have MAVHD and SmithsonianHD in the old HDNet and HDNet Movies locations. My old Motorolla DVR box has up to date guide info for the new replacment channels but my bedroom SA4250 does not have any guide data as of last night. If it is not there when I get home this evening I will reboot the reciever.

Schandorsky,
I assume we will get get the SDV conversion at the same time since we are in the same old Comcast boat. If they are planning on replacing the Motorolla boxes I would guess Motorolla box users should be recieving some sort of letter about this. I have been planning to swap my Motorolla DVR box out anyways since its been showing a stuttering image on various channels on and off. My SA4250 does not have this stuttering problem and its on a longer cable run so I am assuming its not the signal.

ray

I got the update info for MAVHD and Smithsonian this morning on my 4250 box.

Yes we are in the same area (Old Comcast) Which include Amherst, Amherst Twp, Avon, Avonlake, Bay Village, Carlisle Twp, Concord, Eastlake, Eaton Twp, Elyria, Elyria Twp, Fairport Harbor,Grand River, Lakeline, Mentor, New Russia Twp, North Ridgeville, Painsville, South Amherst, Timberlake, Wickcliffe, Willoughby, and Willoughby Hills.

I have been planning to swap my Motorolla DVR box out anyways since its been showing a stuttering image on various channels on and off. My SA4250 does not have this stuttering problem and its on a longer cable run so I am assuming its not the signal.

ray Ray, My SA8300HD was doing the stuttering thing too off and on for weeks. Was ready to exchange it then decided to reboot it. Now it appears to be fine for two days now. Very steady pic. You may want to try this first. As always, YMMV.

Ray, My SA8300HD was doing the stuttering thing too off and on for weeks. Was ready to exchange it then decided to reboot it. Now it appears to be fine for two days now. Very steady pic. You may want to try this first. As always, YMMV.

The point is however that Rbuchina he has a moto box, not an SA 8300. Now maybe rebooting his moto will help, I don't know but it's best just to get a new SA box and get on the TW bandwagon. I believe they are going to have to do that eventually anyway.;)

The point is however that Rbuchina he has a moto box, not an SA 8300. Now maybe rebooting his moto will help, I don't know but it's best just to get a new SA box and get on the TW bandwagon. I believe they are going to have to do that eventually anyway.;) Yeah, your probably right.:)

The point is however that Rbuchina he has a moto box, not an SA 8300. Now maybe rebooting his moto will help, I don't know but it's best just to get a new SA box and get on the TW bandwagon. I believe they are going to have to do that eventually anyway.;)

Has anyone been able to program the SA 8300 box to do a 30 second skip? This is the one thing I'll miss the most if I have to trade in my Moto box for an SA. Still no SVA on the Elyria (Old Comcast) system. Also, no matter how many times I call TWC for a hit on my Tivo S3, I can't get the first wave of new HD chans that came around March 31, like Sci Fi, Disney, and USA. They are all listed in the Tivo guide with Info, but no picture or sound. The Moto box has them, and they all work fine.

Any ideas?

Ben Music

Sorry about the political comment.

I did give them credit for their broadcast pq.

And ratings don't always tell the real story. I'd like to know the demographics of those Neilsen ratings. I'll bet that would tell a story in itself.

Ahhh, who cares!! I never pay attention to ratings. Ratings are not a good indicator of quality. More people watch American Idol than a documentary on PBS, but does that mean American Idol is automatically the better program because more people watch it?

In the three days I've had these new channels, I've watched FAUX News for a total of 30 seconds. Which is more than last month. It's tacky, flashy obnoxious trash. It gets ratings because braindead dolts buy into their crappy slogans(one of which is the total opposite of how the channel really is) and because there are bright colors and 'hot' chicks. The American public is surprisingly dumb, and it shows in the television shows we have today, REALITY SHOWS!! Can anyone say Wipeout(jumping on big red balls), I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here, So You Think You Can Dance. :D

Ahhhhh, I love a good rant! ;)

If anyone else noticed I think the WJW-8 feed to TWC is back to being a straight digital simulcast. Noticed the 8-1 bug being cut off last night watching Seinfeld.

Yes. These local stations must have their heads up their butts, because I was watching the ABC World News on the kitchen TV and I noticed that when the "Power of 5" weather crawl came on, it was cropped off. The map itself was almost completely off screen, thanks to CRT overscan and the bug on the right said "Pow". Also, the ABC network bug on shows that are HD now says "ab" or just "a" on the old set in my bedroom.

I've seen the same thing with the totally cut off weather map on WOIO as well as a legal ID/bug flirting with the edge of the screen.

Has anyone been able to program the SA 8300 box to do a 30 second skip? This is the one thing I'll miss the most if I have to trade in my Moto box for an SA. Still no SVA on the Elyria (Old Comcast) system. Also, no matter how many times I call TWC for a hit on my Tivo S3, I can't get the first wave of new HD chans that came around March 31, like Sci Fi, Disney, and USA. They are all listed in the Tivo guide with Info, but no picture or sound. The Moto box has them, and they all work fine.

Any ideas?

Ben Music

You should at least have the first wave, everybody got that.

The only thing you can do is have them send a truck out. Something is terribly wrong if you're not getting those channels.

I have another oddity to add to the discussion here. Today I noticed the "480i" light was on the front of my SA 4250. Which is odd because I never, ever, ever, ever, ever use 480i, as that output makes the picture look horrible. So I turn on the TV set and there is a TWC screensaver with the time on screen. Pushing a button dismisses that and I find a "To receive this channel, call Customer Care" message on the screen. Except the channel was WEWHD 405. I go up a few more channels and it is on WBNXHD 407 too. It's on every channel. The box rebooted itself last night, and now it says that. Odd.

I have another oddity to add to the discussion here. Today I noticed the "480i" light was on the front of my SA 4250. Which is odd because I never, ever, ever, ever, ever use 480i, as that output makes the picture look horrible. So I turn on the TV set and there is a TWC screensaver with the time on screen. Pushing a button dismisses that and I find a "To receive this channel, call Customer Care" message on the screen. Except the channel was WEWHD 405. I go up a few more channels and it is on WBNXHD 407 too. It's on every channel. The box rebooted itself last night, and now it says that. Odd.

Yes it is odd. And it sounds to me like a cable card issue, which you're not suppose to have.

Phone it in and have them hit your box nickdawg. That should clear it up.

Still can't get that damn green light to stop flashing. Oh well...got a truck roll coming in the morning. I just hope they can get it working.

Heh - my green light has been flashing for the last week, just haven't had time to work on it. The weird bit is I was able to get USAHD the other day, even though the light was flashing.

Does anybody really care about dogs? Oh, you guys do. Sorry.:o

That's funny, I don't remember buying my dog a new stuffed parrot. Where did these feathers come from? Wait a minute......

:)

Mentor/Kirtland area, old Aldelphia customer out of Concord (I'm guessing).

Noticed Smithsonian and MAV on the guide last night, still none of the most recent batch of HD channels though. :(

Apparently I am receiving all the new channels with the exception of Mav & Smith. I assume you guys are receiving those.

So SDV has arrived, and it's looking good (so far). Thanks to Cathode Kid for the tip off on the exact day.
I wish it was "looking good" here. I've got tons of new channels showing up, but they don't actually "show up". When I try to tune (almost) any of the new channels, the box tells me "This channel is currently not available. Please try again later." I get that message on 438, 443, and every channel from 450-478 except 456, 473, and 476.

On the other hand, suddenly the VOD channels actually have content available. That's never happened before.

Anyway, I'm not impressed.

Heh - my green light has been flashing for the last week, just haven't had time to work on it. The weird bit is I was able to get USAHD the other day, even though the light was flashing.

Try just unplugging the tuner adapter and then plugging it back in after 30 seconds. After you plug it back in unplug the USB and plug that back in. It should blink a little then get solid.

If it doesn't, you have a bad tuner adapter. Get it replaced.

I wish it was "looking good" here. I've got tons of new channels showing up, but they don't actually "show up". When I try to tune (almost) any of the new channels, the box tells me "This channel is currently not available. Please try again later." I get that message on 438, 443, and every channel from 450-478 except 456, 473, and 476.

On the other hand, suddenly the VOD channels actually have content available. That's never happened before.

Anyway, I'm not impressed.

I'm pretty certain you and I are on the same head end. And my thoughts of the SA 8300 are more then well documented.;)

I'm thinking if I can get the channels with my TiVo you should be able to with your SA 8300. Sounds like you should get a truck roll, or call customer service and see what they can do for you. Strange that your On Demand (And I saw a whole bunch of those that seemed to be added) works but the HD channels arn't.

I wish it was "looking good" here. I've got tons of new channels showing up, but they don't actually "show up". When I try to tune (almost) any of the new channels, the box tells me "This channel is currently not available. Please try again later." I get that message on 438, 443, and every channel from 450-478 except 456, 473, and 476.

On the other hand, suddenly the VOD channels actually have content available. That's never happened before.

Anyway, I'm not impressed.

dont worry..a lot of us had the same problem when we first got all the new hd but after a week or so the problems went away..just give it a little time

dont worry..a lot of us had the same problem when we first got all the new hd but after a week or so the problems went away..just give it a little timeThanks, guys. At this point, I don't mind giving it some time. I don't have time right now to screw around with T/W anyway, so I won't be calling them any time soon. And there's nothing on TV that I want to watch right now anyway. (Except maybe the Cavs game tomorrow.) If the situation doesn't change, I'll eventually call them.

Thanks, guys. At this point, I don't mind giving it some time. I don't have time right now to screw around with T/W anyway, so I won't be calling them any time soon. And there's nothing on TV that I want to watch right now anyway. (Except maybe the Cavs game tomorrow.) If the situation doesn't change, I'll eventually call them.

When I read things like this it makes me realize just how impatient I am. I'd be screaming at TW. But that's me. Good luck Jim, hope it fixes itself.

TW came yesterday and installed new SA 8300HDC boxes to replace our older Motorola boxes. So far, I think I prefer the older Motorola box tv guide, unless I just have not figured out the SA 8300HDC's guide. On the Motorola guide, movies, sports, kids shows were blocked off in different colors making them easy to identify. On the SA guide they are all the same color. Is there a way to change this?

Also, in the Motorola guide you could go to categories, choose kids shows and it would bring the guide up with all the kids shows currently playing. The SA box partially has this function, but it is not as clean looking and harder to get too.

So, am is there anything I can do to improve the above? They were going to swap a Samsung box instead, but the tech forgot to bring that one. But he said the software would be exactly the same.

Thanks for the help.

Ahhh, who cares!! I never pay attention to ratings. Ratings are not a good indicator of quality. More people watch American Idol than a documentary on PBS, but does that mean American Idol is automatically the better program because more people watch it?

In the three days I've had these new channels, I've watched FAUX News for a total of 30 seconds. Which is more than last month. It's tacky, flashy obnoxious trash. It gets ratings because braindead dolts buy into their crappy slogans(one of which is the total opposite of how the channel really is) and because there are bright colors and 'hot' chicks. The American public is surprisingly dumb, and it shows in the television shows we have today, REALITY SHOWS!! Can anyone say Wipeout(jumping on big red balls), I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here, So You Think You Can Dance. :D

Ahhhhh, I love a good rant! ;)


Yea Nickdawg. You are right and the rest of America is wrong. Sounds like the guy that thought he was Napoleon. Your rant loses a lot though since you've mentioned you like msnbc. :rolleyes:

Yea Nickdawg. You are right and the rest of America is wrong. Sounds like the guy that thought he was Napoleon. Your rant loses a lot though since you've mentioned you like msnbc. :rolleyes:

Wow, that's a pretty bad comeback to a good argument nickdawg made. I guess you like to "stay the coarse and keep beating that dead old horse." Like those guys on FOX News.

And your mention of MSNBC, doesn't that show your politics?;):D:p

Wow, that's a pretty bad comeback to a good argument nickdawg made. I guess you like to "stay the coarse and keep beating that dead old horse." Like those guys on FOX News.

And your mention of MSNBC, doesn't that show your politics?;):D:p

Yea, sorry I couldn't resist. But my point was it's TV. It's all about entertainment. Nickdawg was ragging on what others find entertaining but suggesting what he found as entertaining was somehow superior.

Maybe we should just move on and leave this political junk. Nothing good will come out of it.:)

Yea, sorry I couldn't resist. But my point was it's TV. It's all about entertainment. Nickdawg was ragging on what others find entertaining but suggesting what he found as entertaining was somehow superior.

Maybe we should just move on and leave this political junk. Nothing good will come out of it.:)

Well, from an HD standpoint IMHO Fox wins over CNN. I may not like the politics but taking that out and staying on track they do have more HD.

My real point for mentioning MSNBC was I simply want to see what they provide as HD content. You can call a station HD all you want but if they don't have HD content then it's just upgraded SD, be it news, entertainment, etc.

As far as nickdawg acting superior, hey, I'm the king of that. I look down at anyone who even thinks at looking at American Idol.;) I'm a real snob when it comes to most reality shows.

Hook, hook, hook... first dogs, now American Idol... <sigh> ;)

BTW... Everytime the Tivo calls in for an update I "lose" the latest HD channels from my guide. I have to go back into settings each time and re-add them as channels I receive. Is the same thing happening to you? I assume it's because we're not getting guide data for them yet. It's getting annoying to do this every other day...

Hook, hook, hook... first dogs, now American Idol... <sigh> ;)

BTW... Everytime the Tivo calls in for an update I "lose" the latest HD channels from my guide. I have to go back into settings each time and re-add them as channels I receive. Is the same thing happening to you? I assume it's because we're not getting guide data for them yet. It's getting annoying to do this every other day...

Not all the channels but some of them, yes I think so but I didn't realize it until your post.

But it's not just HD channels. I noticed all my MLB channels were unchecked the other day. And I thought I checked CNN, matter of fact I'm sure I did and listed it as a favorite but it was unchecked on my S3 only. On my HD TiVo everything is fine.

I'll have it do an update again and get back to you. Who knows, maybe the new guide is available now?

Ed, I did a check on my S3 and it did a call in last night around 3:30 am. No channels are missing that I had checked off.

Maybe it was a random occurrence.

Sorry in advance if this has been asked before as it has been a while since I have posted
here. Does anyone know if there is any HD DVR out in the market (either still available or discontinued) other than the SONY DHG-HDD500 that is capable of receiving guide info for clear QAM channels? I am aware that no TIVO is capable of doing this if I am not mistaken.

TW came yesterday and installed new SA 8300HDC boxes to replace our older Motorola boxes. So far, I think I prefer the older Motorola box tv guide, unless I just have not figured out the SA 8300HDC's guide. On the Motorola guide, movies, sports, kids shows were blocked off in different colors making them easy to identify. On the SA guide they are all the same color. Is there a way to change this?

Also, in the Motorola guide you could go to categories, choose kids shows and it would bring the guide up with all the kids shows currently playing. The SA box partially has this function, but it is not as clean looking and harder to get too.

So, am is there anything I can do to improve the above? They were going to swap a Samsung box instead, but the tech forgot to bring that one. But he said the software would be exactly the same.

Thanks for the help.

If you press the "A" button on the remote, it brings up the Access Menu. Under this menu, you can find shows that are currently on by categories: HDTV, Sports and Kids. Also the 8300HDC has improved search features by pressing the "B" button.

Yea, sorry I couldn't resist. But my point was it's TV. It's all about entertainment. Nickdawg was ragging on what others find entertaining but suggesting what he found as entertaining was somehow superior.

Maybe we should just move on and leave this political junk. Nothing good will come out of it.:)

No, it's not what I think is entertaining. It is what is better because it is educational. It's hard to argue that the show that gave us Sanjaya, William Hung and Clay Aiken is "better" than anything. And maybe if more Americans turned off the reality show crap and LEARNED something or READ a book, they would also turn off FAUX because they realize they were being duped by biased "reporters".

Well, from an HD standpoint IMHO Fox wins over CNN. I may not like the politics but taking that out and staying on track they do have more HD.

Well, luckily we don't judge the quality of a program based on HD alone. I've watched FAUX HD for a total of 45 seconds. I've grown to love the big red HD on the sides of CNN. It's cool! ;)

My real point for mentioning MSNBC was I simply want to see what they provide as HD content. You can call a station HD all you want but if they don't have HD content then it's just upgraded SD, be it news, entertainment, etc.

I think MSNBC will have more HD. NBC News already broadcasts in HD for all of their shows except Dateline and Meet the Press. Nightly News and Today have many filed cameras in HD and most of the studios are upgraded. I'd expect to see the evening shows as well as the newsroom coverage in the afternoon in HD. Plus many of the documentaries they show on weekends are 16:9, probably SD, but still 16:9. I think the mistake NBC made was putting CNBC in HD before MSNBC. CNBC is a pointless niche channel, but MSNBC could have beaten the pants off CNN and FAUX because FAUX didn't launch until May 2008 and CNN was in the fall of 2007.

As far as nickdawg acting superior, hey, I'm the king of that. I look down at anyone who even thinks at looking at American Idol.;) I'm a real snob when it comes to most reality shows.

I agree. I hate reality TV. Defending FAUX and reality TV are two things that really make an argument laughable. ;)

Sorry in advance if this has been asked before as it has been a while since I have posted
here. Does anyone know if there is any HD DVR out in the market (either still available or discontinued) other than the SONY DHG-HDD500 that is capable of receiving guide info for clear QAM channels? I am aware that no TIVO is capable of doing this if I am not mistaken.

If there is another DVR that does that it wouldn't do you much good. The reason I say that is none of TW's SDV channels will appear in the clear, which means you will only get the locals. TW is famous for moving things around on clear in the qam as well so I don't know how much good it would do for you.

You're better off either settling for the SA 8300 HDC or purchasing the TiVo. Sorry.

I have to agree with hookbill. Especially if you live in this area too. TWC has pretty much taken all but the locals off Clear QAM and even half the locals have their PSIP data stripped.

Basically all that I have seen come up on my set outside of tons of blank/encrypted QAMs are all the local channels (3, 5, 19, 21, 27, 33, 45/49, WBNX, the cleveland PBS station on the west side whom I forget their callsign, and subchannels for those that have their PSIP data intact) and a few non-descript garbage channels mostly being the PPV/Ondemand previews loops. I don't even pick up the music choice channels anymore let alone anything else decent.

The only plus side to going the Clear QAM route is if you wanted the OTA channels but didn't want the fuss of having an antenna that could pick it all up. Though you guys up in cleveland I don't think get the youngstown market so even a meager antenna would pick up all you could get anyway. YMMV of course.

Thanks for the responses. It doesn't matter that TW moves the clear QAM channels around. The SONY has the ability to remap the digital display HD local channels with their guide data to any QAM channel. Although I can get a cablecard, I use my units without a cablecard and the cable hooked directly into my HD DVR unit, and I am really only interested in the HD locals so SDV chanels don't affect me. I have been looking for another unit for another family member that can perform the same way, as the SONYs are becoming increasingly difficult to find.

I should have added that the data I get is not PSIP but the TVGOSG program guide, so even though yes, PSIP data might be stripped on locals, it doesn't affect the free electronic program guide my units receive. Thanks again.

Well, like you said: These units are becoming extremely hard to come by as, I assume, they are long discontinued and only lasting on resale.

There really are no other units that have this kind of functionality out there. Closest thing are VCR-like boxes that you just set a specific channel/QAM for a desired time and it records to whatever medium it is capable of. Beyond that, either a Tivo or TWC's own boxes and subscribing to digital cable service.

Well, like you said: These units are becoming extremely hard to come by as, I assume, they are long discontinued and only lasting on resale.

There really are no other units that have this kind of functionality out there. Closest thing are VCR-like boxes that you just set a specific channel/QAM for a desired time and it records to whatever medium it is capable of. Beyond that, either a Tivo or TWC's own boxes and subscribing to digital cable service.
I could have sworn there was another DVR out there this year. I remember posting a link about it. I think it was a Sammy and not the TW one.

I could have sworn there was another DVR out there this year. I remember posting a link about it. I think it was a Sammy and not the TW one.

No. The Sammy- SMT 3090 is a TWC owned box. The only difference is that it is not a SA box, but another company's OCAP box that can run ODN.

No. The Sammy- SMT 3090 is a TWC owned box. The only difference is that it is not a SA box, but another company's OCAP box that can run ODN.

I might have the brand wrong but I distinctly remember posting a link for an alternative DVR the TiVo that was new. It had nice features and no service charge. And it was HD capable.

There are other DVRs, but they are for OTA only. I know there is a Dish DVR for OTA.

And regardless if there is another DVR, it is worthless unless it is a Tivo. AFAIK, the tuning adapters only work with Tivos.

There are other DVRs, but they are for OTA only. I know there is a Dish DVR for OTA.

And regardless if there is another DVR, it is worthless unless it is a Tivo. AFAIK, the tuning adapters only work with Tivos.

If the DVR hardware is 2 way capable a tuner adapter would not be necessary.

Orange - Have found everything but WKYC 3-1. There is a 480i version at 91-3 but still have not found the HD version of channel 3 (even after numerous resets and rescans). I thought TWC was required to supply a clear QAM version of all the locals?

Same issue here in N. Canton. WKYC hi def QAM is MIA. I have hi def QAM for WEWS (5-1), WJW (8-1), WOIO (19-1), WUAB (43-1) and WNEO (49-1). Numerous rescans on my Vizio VW37L and nothing. Was too lazy to get out the antenna last night so I had to watch Jay's farewell in SD. Bummer.

I'm just going to use some common sense here. TW offers free HD with digital service. Why do you think your entitled to HD locals that the rest of us pay for? TW is only required to give you local channels. They are not required to allow you to bypass paying for digital just because you have QAM.

Now having said that apparently Vchat20 can receive local HD in the clear. He also pays for digital service. I don't think that has anything to do with why he receives it. I can say since you don't pay for digital I'm glad you can't find it because IMHO its not fair to the rest of us who do pay for digital.

I want you guys to notice I'm not accusing you of stealing. I'm simply giving an opinion.

I'm just going to use some common sense here. TW offers free HD with digital service. Why do you think your entitled to HD locals that the rest of us pay for? TW is only required to give you local channels. They are not required to allow you to bypass paying for digital just because you have QAM.

Now having said that apparently Vchat20 can receive local HD in the clear. He also pays for digital service. I don't think that has anything to do with why he receives it. I can say since you don't pay for digital I'm glad you can't find it because IMHO its not fair to the rest of us who do pay for digital.

I want you guys to notice I'm not accusing you of stealing. I'm simply giving an opinion.

Careful Hookdog! Or you might awaken a certain pair of Clever Trousers who will talk your ear off about why he thinks he is entitled to get USAHD without paying for a box/higher service. ;)

Same issue here in N. Canton. WKYC hi def QAM is MIA. I have hi def QAM for WEWS (5-1), WJW (8-1), WOIO (19-1), WUAB (43-1) and WNEO (49-1). Numerous rescans on my Vizio VW37L and nothing. Was too lazy to get out the antenna last night so I had to watch Jay's farewell in SD. Bummer.

I noticed the same thing and just thought it was my set. It just randomly disappeared. I haven't checked though to see if it came in on the box (though I'd hope it would still be there? oO). I don't even get digital SD's in the clear so the only other option is the analog feed on position 3 here.

I really do think TW would do good if they did something like kill off all the analogs and put their digital SD versions in the clear with intact PSIP data (well, that'd probably be asking a bit much. But it'd be a plus). That way those who have basic service can pull it in on QAM capable sets (most digital OTA sets can AFAIK and they've been mandatorily manufactured over the past couple years for this transition crap) and then provide basic dumbed down boxes for everyone else either free or like $.50/mo per or something.

Take advantage of the tons of sets out there already that can tune in crystal clear digital channels and make it a huge marketing standpoint. 'CRYSTAL CLEAR DIGITAL WITHOUT THE BOX!' Hell, if I knew they went this route, I'd HAPPILY take the basic cable connected tv's in my house and pay a small premium to get newer tv's capable. (though, tbh, this is exactly what TWC would want to avoid and would rather part you with more money paying for their equipment. >>)

Just curious. Anyone who has ever leased an OOOOOLD basic cable converter from TWC, do you recall what the lease fee was monthly for it? Unfortunately the last time that was for me was over a decade ago. x.x

to be Added ??

Any idea whats left to be added ??? at the end of June or July and August.

I'm just going to use some common sense here. TW offers free HD with digital service. Why do you think your entitled to HD locals that the rest of us pay for? TW is only required to give you local channels. They are not required to allow you to bypass paying for digital just because you have QAM.

Now having said that apparently Vchat20 can receive local HD in the clear. He also pays for digital service. I don't think that has anything to do with why he receives it. I can say since you don't pay for digital I'm glad you can't find it because IMHO its not fair to the rest of us who do pay for digital.

I want you guys to notice I'm not accusing you of stealing. I'm simply giving an opinion.

Why would I pay for something I can get free OTA?!! It was nice to have it on my QAM so I could avoid having to go through the laborious, time-consuming and incredibly dangerous task of using my finger to move the switch on my A/B selector to "antenna." :)

Glad you like paying for it. Me? I think 99% of what TWC shoves through copper is worthless dreck... with commercials. I'll pass on paying for digital stuff-ever. If all the over compressed, local QAM disappeared tomorrow I'd be a bit bummed-but no where near bummed enough to consider devoting any more of my budget into paying TWC another dime. :D

Why would I pay for something I can get free OTA?!! It was nice to have it on my QAM so I could avoid having to go through the laborious, time-consuming and incredibly dangerous task of using my finger to move the switch on my A/B selector to "antenna." :)

Glad you like paying for it. Me? I think 99% of what TWC shoves through copper is worthless dreck... with commercials. I'll pass on paying for digital stuff-ever. If all the over compressed, local QAM disappeared tomorrow I'd be a bit bummed-but no where near bummed enough to consider devoting any more of my budget into paying TWC another dime. :D

But you see you are in an area where you can receive it OTA. I am not, I would have to purchase an expensive antenna and quite honestly I don't want to put one on my roof. I'm in a heavily wooded area and reception is difficult.

Nobody said I liked paying for anything, I'm simply pointing out that there should be no expectation of QAM for free even for local HD. TW doesn't have to provide it for anyone. All they really need to provide is SD locals. And I feel it's not fair for people who have QAM to be able to access something that the majority of us pay for. So I'm glad you're having issues getting the QAM mapped channels. I'm also glad you have an antenna that you can switch to. I don't want to see you lose out on free HD. And you're absolutely correct, if you don't want the additional HD channels then don't pay a dime more. Just rely on your antenna for your HD channels. Not TW.

... I'm simply pointing out that there should be no expectation of QAM for free even for local HD. TW doesn't have to provide it for anyone. All they really need to provide is SD locals. And I feel it's not fair for people who have QAM to be able to access something that the majority of us pay for. So I'm glad you're having issues getting the QAM mapped channels. I'm also glad you have an antenna that you can switch to. I don't want to see you lose out on free HD. And you're absolutely correct, if you don't want the additional HD channels then don't pay a dime more. Just rely on your antenna for your HD channels. Not TW.

Hmmmm... I'm going to have to read FCC Sec. 76.630 and CFR Title 47, §76.901(a) a little more closely to determine what format (i.e. digital SD, 480p, etc), if any, is prescribed, but as far as I know they DO have to provide a QAM feed for locals.

As for being "glad" I'm having mapping issues, that's kinda red-ass. Am I "glad" you live in the sticks and can't get OTA? Nope. That would be rude of me to say. ;)

Hmmmm... I'm going to have to read FCC Sec. 76.630 and CFR Title 47, §76.901(a) a little more closely to determine what format (i.e. digital SD, 480p, etc), if any, is prescribed, but as far as I know they DO have to provide a QAM feed for locals.

Please do. And if I'm wrong post the link so I can read it myself, I'll gladly retract any statement I made about you not being able to get HD with an apology

As for being "glad" I'm having mapping issues, that's kinda red-ass. Am I "glad" you live in the sticks and can't get OTA? Nope. That would be rude of me to say. ;)

I could handle that. I don't think my saying what I said was rude as opposed to being a personal opinion. You may disagree with that if you chose, it may get you blood running a bit but nevertheless that is how I feel.

As I stated in previous paragraph show me I'm wrong about TWC having to give you HD in the clear and I'll apologize.

Hmmmm... I'm going to have to read FCC Sec. 76.630 and CFR Title 47, §76.901(a) a little more closely to determine what format (i.e. digital SD, 480p, etc), if any, is prescribed, but as far as I know they DO have to provide a QAM feed for locals.

As for being "glad" I'm having mapping issues, that's kinda red-ass. Am I "glad" you live in the sticks and can't get OTA? Nope. That would be rude of me to say. ;)

If you are really going to look into the FCC rules & regs I'd be interested to know what it says as well. There seems to be a lot of confusion on what the cable co's must carry in regards to locals in HD via QAM. God knows I'm confused about it! But then I'm confused how to text from my phone. :p

I've heard some say they are only required to carry the locals in SD but throw the HD's out there cuz it's simpler or the cable co's are just as confused about the FCC regs as we are so they are covering their ass, others say they must carry what the broadcaster offers (i.e. if local ABC is broadcasting in 720p then the cable co must rebroadcast it in 720p).

Then there is the "must carry locals in analog" for the older sets out there, but then they are NOT obligated to carry the locals in analog if their entire cable distribution is all digital?? Or something like that. :confused:

As far as paying for locals in HD I guess it comes down to features. If you want program data, channel guides, channels that don't move around, etc... then you pay for it. That and not all TV's and boxes have QAM tuners so it becomes device specific and you must have/buy the proper equipment to get the "free" local HD's. :)

Your point is useless Hooky:

Question:
If I have a cable-ready HDTV set, do I need a CableCARD or special HD set-top box to view HD programming?
Answer:
An HDTV with a built-in QAM tuner does not require a set-top box to receive the HD signals of over-the-air broadcast stations. To receive your favorite cable and premium channels in high-definition, you will need to lease from Time Warner Cable an HD set-top box, unless you have a CableCARD-equipped Tru2Way™ device or UDCP. Please note that some HD programming is delivered using Switched Digital Video (SDV), an interactive technology, and therefore cannot be accessed on a UDCP.

This is from TWC NE OH's website. You pay for cable- you get the OTA channels on QAM- end of story.

Hmmmm... I'm going to have to read FCC Sec. 76.630 and CFR Title 47, §76.901(a) a little more closely to determine what format (i.e. digital SD, 480p, etc), if any, is prescribed, but as far as I know they DO have to provide a QAM feed for locals.

As for being "glad" I'm having mapping issues, that's kinda red-ass. Am I "glad" you live in the sticks and can't get OTA? Nope. That would be rude of me to say. ;)

Here in Amherst my wife's Toshiba(after a firmware upgrade) Can pickup NBC HD, UPN HD, OHIO CHANNEL, CBS HD, WVIZ WORLD, WVIZ HD, TBS HD, 3 WEATHER, FIRST ALERT WEATHER, FOX HD, ABC HD AND CW HD.

But on my Pioneer TV from the above list I can not pickup NBC HD or 3 Weather.

Question:
If I have a cable-ready HDTV set, do I need a CableCARD or special HD set-top box to view HD programming?
Answer:
An HDTV with a built-in QAM tuner does not require a set-top box to receive the HD signals of over-the-air broadcast stations. To receive your favorite cable and premium channels in high-definition, you will need to lease from Time Warner Cable an HD set-top box, unless you have a CableCARD-equipped Tru2Way™ device or UDCP. Please note that some HD programming is delivered using Switched Digital Video (SDV), an interactive technology, and therefore cannot be accessed on a UDCP.

This is from TWC NE OH's website. You pay for cable- you get the OTA channels on QAM- end of story.

That about sums it up. With cable, and subscribing to a basic or expanded package (non-digital) on my Sony TV and Sony HD DVR (both with QAM tuners)I can tune and record the aforementioned analog and all the local SD and HD digital passed through cable with a full TV Guide on screen guide (built in the HD DVR with no fee) for the QAM chanels remapped which for me is enough. Don't ever want to get a STB from TW.

That about sums it up. With cable, and subscribing to a basic or expanded package (non-digital) on my Sony TV and Sony HD DVR (both with QAM tuners)I can tune and record the aforementioned analog and all the local SD and HD digital passed through cable with a full TV Guide on screen guide (built in the HD DVR with no fee) for the QAM chanels remapped which for me is enough. Don't ever want to get a STB from TW.

The quote specifically states that you need cable cards. Cable cards mean purchasing their digital service as well.

If your just using QAM it may very well be that you might not be able to find it by remapping all the time. TW wants you to pay.

I have never had a problem finding the local QAM channels and for the most part they are the same as the OTA digital channels you would pick up with an antenna. As for electronic program guide data I have only had to remap the major locals once. After inputting my zip code in the Sony HD DVR, I choose the full digital lineup available for my area, as if I had a STB or cablecard and then remap the local digital data to QAM. Works well for me.

I have never had a problem finding the local QAM channels and for the most part they are the same as the OTA digital channels you would pick up with an antenna. As for electronic program guide data I have only had to remap the major locals once. After inputting my zip code in the Sony HD DVR, I choose the full digital lineup available for my area, as if I had a STB or cablecard and then remap the local digital data to QAM. Works well for me.

I presume Sony is using an internet based system for guide data and your two Sony devices are part of your home network?

If so, that is sweet and seems to be the direction the mfrs are headed.

I presume Sony is using an internet based system for guide data and your two Sony devices are part of your home network?

If so, that is sweet and seems to be the direction the mfrs are headed.

Still need something for SDV unless the Sony hardware is 2 way capable.

Still need something for SDV unless the Sony hardware is 2 way capable.

Yes, I'm just referring to the networking and online content aspects.
I suppose a proper cable card slot in the TV and/or DVR would would be needed for cable descrambling and SDV.

Why would I pay for something I can get free OTA?!! It was nice to have it on my QAM so I could avoid having to go through the laborious, time-consuming and incredibly dangerous task of using my finger to move the switch on my A/B selector to "antenna." :)

Glad you like paying for it. Me? I think 99% of what TWC shoves through copper is worthless dreck... with commercials. I'll pass on paying for digital stuff-ever. If all the over compressed, local QAM disappeared tomorrow I'd be a bit bummed-but no where near bummed enough to consider devoting any more of my budget into paying TWC another dime. :D

Sounds like you are the perfect candidate for OTA. All the uncompresed HD you can want, without paying TWC or messing with them changing/dropping channels.

Cleveland, Ohio - OTA (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1139546&highlight=cleveland+ota)

Now, to quote an old SNL skit: "buh-bye"!!

Yes, I'm just referring to the networking and online content aspects.
I suppose a proper cable card slot in the TV and/or DVR would would be needed for cable descrambling and SDV.

Nope, actually being two way has nothing to do with the cable card. It's the hardware that makes it two way, like tru2way devices although they use cable cards the hardware makes them 2 way.

Many people thought TiVo put out the S3 and TiVo HD with no thinking of SDV. I contend that the thought was always there to come up with something to make it compatible with SDV. It was however the cable companies desire to work with TiVo that produced the tuner adapter, thus making TiVo's one way hardware 2 way capable.

So if this Sony box we are talking about is 2 way capable it would have no problem or need for a tuner adapter. It would still need a cable card to get non QAM available channels to work.

I know there was an older Sony DVR that was made buy I don't think that was capable of HD. Maybe this is the same one and it is capable but it would not be able to do 2 way communication.

Nope, actually being two way has nothing to do with the cable card. It's the hardware that makes it two way, like tru2way devices although they use cable cards the hardware makes them 2 way.....

Yes, hence why I said "I suppose a proper cable card slot in the TV and/or DVR ". ;)

So if this Sony box we are talking about is 2 way capable it would have no problem or need for a tuner adapter. It would still need a cable card to get non QAM available channels to work.

I know there was an older Sony DVR that was made buy I don't think that was capable of HD. Maybe this is the same one and it is capable but it would not be able to do 2 way communication.

It is not 2 way capable and cannot access SDV channels. The tuning adapter
that allows the TIVO to do this is not possible on the Sony Hi-Def DVR. I used to have a cablecard in it to get all the encrypted digital channels when I had digital service, but I knew that SDV would not work with this unit, so I gave up the cablecard and digital service just prior to implementation of SDV in the area and just use it now for digital Hi-def clear QAM channels through the cable.

My Sony DVR was and still is the only one Sony ever produced for the American market that was a HD DVR single tuner 500GB with cablecard slot and free TV Guide On-Screen Program guide. It came out prior to the TIVO S3 at the end of 2005. The interactive program guide was recently taken over by Macrovision which has continued with the free service.

I presume Sony is using an internet based system for guide data and your two Sony devices are part of your home network?


The Sony HI-DEF DVR doesn't connect to a computer or the internet. It gets its TV listings through the cable according to zip code of locale. Different lineups are offered for the area, so I chose the fully loaded digital line up that TW offers in my area which has the same channels that the STB would have, and then remap the digital STB HI Def local channels with program info to the QAM equivalent.

The Sony HI-DEF DVR doesn't connect to a computer or the internet. It gets its TV listings through the cable according to zip code of locale. Different lineups are offered for the area, so I chose the fully loaded digital line up that TW offers in my area which has the same channels that the STB would have, and then remap the digital STB HI Def local channels with program info to the QAM equivalent.

OIC, is this an open standard where cable co's must allow their system to be accessible to third party ch guides? I had not heard of that.
I figured cable co's would only allow their own or paid ch guides on their system. :confused:

Here's another HD DVR from Toshiba (http://www.dvd-recordable.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3548).

OIC, is this an open standard where cable co's must allow their system to be accessible to third party ch guides? I had not heard of that.
I figured cable co's would only allow their own or paid ch guides on their system. :confused:

As I understand it, and my knowledge is limited at best, is that Cable companies - TW, Comcast, Cox, Cablevision etc. have agreements with
Macrovision to allow the TVGOS to be carried on their cable systems. On my unit, after you enter your zip code, you are presented with about 4-7 channel
lineups in the area by different providers, and you pick the lineup that you want from your provider. The unit's software then pinpoints a host channel. In my case it's the CBS affiliate which passes along 8 days of program info. I can't explain it any other way. Sorry.

As I understand it, and my knowledge is limited at best, is that Cable companies - TW, Comcast, Cox, Cablevision etc. have agreements with
Macrovision to allow the TVGOS to be carried on their cable systems. On my unit, after you enter your zip code, you are presented with about 4-7 channel
lineups in the area by different providers, and you pick the lineup that you want from your provider. The unit's software then pinpoints a host channel. In my case it's the CBS affiliate which passes along 8 days of program info. I can't explain it any other way. Sorry.

You nailed it, berenga - that's how it works. The data is carried in the vertical blanking interval of affiliated stations. The data is tucked away in an area of the signal fairly close to where the closed-caption data resides.

I think this bit says a lot:

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title47/47-4.0.1.1.4.14.3.1.html

(a) Basic service. The basic service tier shall, at a minimum, include all signals of domestic television broadcast stations provided to any subscriber (except a signal secondarily transmitted by satellite carrier beyond the local service area of such station, regardless of how such signal is ultimately received by the cable system) any public, educational, and governmental programming required by the franchise to be carried on the basic tier, and any additional video programming signals a service added to the basic tier by the cable operator.


That basically says that if a broadcast station is carried on a cable network and the HD version of that station is provided to any subscriber, it must be provided to all (including basic service) subscribers. The quoted bit in parenthesis says that our local channels are not exempt from this requirement - they're not sent out of the area as far as I know.

As far as encrypting channels on the basic tier, which per the above reg includes local HD channels - http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2003/octqtr/47cfr76.630.htm

Sec. 76.630 Compatibility with consumer electronics equipment.

(a) Cable system operators shall not scramble or otherwise encrypt signals carried on the basic service tier. Requests for waivers of this prohibition must demonstrate either a substantial problem with theft of basic tier service or a strong need to scramble basic signals for other reasons.


Also of interest from http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/2001/fcc01022.txt

47 U.S.C. §336(b)(3).
See 47 C.F.R. §76.62(e).
A broadcaster’s over-the-air HDTV signal, for example, requires 19.4 mbps, which accounts for both the programming or data, as well as an overhead data stream that includes error correction. When a cable system carries this HDTV signal using QAM modulation, it removes the broadcaster’s overhead data stream and replaces it with the overheada stream appropriate for the specific cable system. Generally the resulting bit rate is somewhat less than 19.4. This reduction in bit rate does not affect picture quality and is not considered material degradation.


The first full paragraph on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_tuner spells out the requirements and loopholes with references. Of course, it's Wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth...

Heh - while I'm looking at cable company requirements, here's a good one that TWC needs to read a few times:

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title47/47-4.0.1.1.4.html#47:4.0.1.1.4.8.3.1



(ii) Under normal operating conditions, telephone answer time by a customer representative, including wait time, shall not exceed thirty (30) seconds when the connection is made. If the call needs to be transferred, transfer time shall not exceed thirty (30) seconds. These standards shall be met no less than ninety (90) percent of the time under normal operating conditions, measured on a quarterly basis.

The quote specifically states that you need cable cards.
Read it again, Hook. It does not say that. It says "An HDTV with a built-in QAM tuner...". You don't need a cable card unless you want to get cable-only content.

I have a T/W box (DVR) on the TV in my family room. But for the bigger plasma set in my basement, I have only QAM. I use it mostly for DVD and BD, so I'm not worried about getting more than the locals in HD on it. It was nice when T/W used to give us a few of the basic cable HD channels in unencrypted form, but those days seem to be over.

I think this bit says a lot:

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title47/47-4.0.1.1.4.14.3.1.html


That basically says that if a broadcast station is carried on a cable network and the HD version of that station is provided to any subscriber, it must be provided to all (including basic service) subscribers. The quoted bit in parenthesis says that our local channels are not exempt from this requirement - they're not sent out of the area as far as I know.

Huh? This is what I read:

a) Basic service. The basic service tier shall, at a minimum, include all signals of domestic television broadcast stations provided to any subscriber (except a signal secondarily transmitted by satellite carrier beyond the local service area of such station, regardless of how such signal is ultimately received by the cable system) any public, educational, and governmental programming required by the franchise to be carried on the basic tier, and any additional video programming signals a service added to the basic tier by the cable operator.


Also quoting from any area with less then .gov (such as .com) immediately rises my suspicions as to credibility of source. But lets say it is credible. I don't see anything in that paragraph that remotely refers to HD and your interpretation of it isn't the way I interpret it.

Read it again, Hook. It does not say that. It says "An HDTV with a built-in QAM tuner...". You don't need a cable card unless you want to get cable-only content.

I have a T/W box (DVR) on the TV in my family room. But for the bigger plasma set in my basement, I have only QAM. I use it mostly for DVD and BD, so I'm not worried about getting more than the locals in HD on it. It was nice when T/W used to give us a few of the basic cable HD channels in unencrypted form, but those days seem to be over.

I said you could get television with QAM. I'm saying that TW does not have to provide HD channels on clear in the QAM. I said that in the same quote you quoted me on Jim.

I grow weary of this debate. I still think TW does not have to provide HD channels clear in the QAM. Since apparently they are not doing that then either I am wrong or TW is breaking the law.

So go sue TW. Do a class action law suit. I hope everyone gets a 5.00 check in the mail.:rolleyes: I'm done talking about it.

Thanks for the help Nickdawg. Even with your help, I still think the older Motorola guide was much more user friendly. Seems like TW took a step backwards and I am even considering going to Satellite just to get a better guide. Another thing the Motorola could do is when your pressed info for a description of what was on, you could also find when the show is on again very easily. Something that is not easy to do with the SA 5300HDC. Everything with this new DVR involves extra steps. Still can't believe they don't color code the guide for movies, sports, etc...

My wife and son really dislike it. Wish I would have kept one of the Motorola boxes.

If you press the "A" button on the remote, it brings up the Access Menu. Under this menu, you can find shows that are currently on by categories: HDTV, Sports and Kids. Also the 8300HDC has improved search features by pressing the "B" button.

Huh? This is what I read:

a) Basic service. The basic service tier shall, at a minimum, include all signals of domestic television broadcast stations provided to any subscriber (except a signal secondarily transmitted by satellite carrier beyond the local service area of such station, regardless of how such signal is ultimately received by the cable system) any public, educational, and governmental programming required by the franchise to be carried on the basic tier, and any additional video programming signals a service added to the basic tier by the cable operator.


Also quoting from any area with less then .gov (such as .com) immediately rises my suspicions as to credibility of source. But lets say it is credible. I don't see anything in that paragraph that remotely refers to HD and your interpretation of it isn't the way I interpret it.
Hook, I think the key words are "all signals." The rules don't differentiate between the different programs carried on the "signal", which after June 12 will only be digital...

Watching MLB extra innings Dodgers I'm getting some very annoying sound drop offs and pixelation. SDV?

Watching MLB extra innings Dodgers I'm getting some very annoying sound drop offs and pixelation. SDV?

Probably. My SDV channels took a dump earlier tonight. I know because Monday Night RAW only recorded from 9 - 10:28. At that time I checked and all the channels in the 400s had "not available" messages. Wonder if it had anything to do with the weather?

Nice to see TWC not caring for us here in Conneaut.
Nothing new.

Hook, I think the key words are "all signals." The rules don't differentiate between the different programs carried on the "signal", which after June 12 will only be digital...

That's what I zeroed in on as well. I found nothing in the subsequent rules that limited the meaning of "all signals", digital or otherwise.

Nice to see TWC not caring for us here in Conneaut.
Nothing new.

I think they are suppose to finish by mid June.

That's what I zeroed in on as well. I found nothing in the subsequent rules that limited the meaning of "all signals", digital or otherwise.

Me too.

Those of you who have been waiting on This TV, it's appearing on the TW line up as channel 248. I don't think it's been discussed and I just thought I'd pass it along. Read this today in Ohio Media Watch.

I think all you should have to do is a call in to get all the new guide data, but I received it when I did a guided set up. I'm calling in now on my other TiVo and it's taking a long, long time so I think it was just a coincidence.

Try a call in first, if that doesn't work then try guided set up.:)

All new channels are listed except the one I reported earlier, channel 248. I placed a call in on that one but I didn't write down the ticket number. Someone else may want to follow up.

Isn't Tivo just great? ;);) :p

Isn't Tivo just great? ;);) :p

Hey, they had the vast majority of the new channels listed before they were even active. I phoned this in on Wendesday and by Tuesday evening they had it available. Pretty great if you ask me. We would have had it sooner if someone had taken a few minutes to call it in who already had the channels. On the first round of HD additions we had it by the evening of the update.

And yes, TiVo is great.:D

I've been away from this page for a long time. It really took a dump in the last few days! The way the discussion was going, I was just waiting for someone to post instructions on how to steal cable TV service!! ;)

I was a bit pissed off by the conversation...

anybody got any news on new hd channels after june 15th??

June 15:
Travel Channel HD
ESPNU HD
Speed Channel HD
Versus HD
AMC HD
Lifetime Movie HD


Not a very impressive batch this time around... :(

June 15:
Travel Channel HD
ESPNU HD
Speed Channel HD
Versus HD
AMC HD
Lifetime Movie HD


Not a very impressive batch this time around... :(


ya ill take em tho.. just curious of whats coming after them

Also, one thing I noticed recently: During DVR playback I don't have the usual playback position bar on the info banner. It just shows me what show is on that channel at this exact second and below the show title is the start and end times for said show. Nothing to say of the actual program being played back.

Anyone else with ODN seeing this? Or just a personal glitch? I'm having an odd feeling it might be resultant of some rewiring a tech came out and did last week and the box attempted to boot a few times while the drop was being finagled. But if anyone else has this bug...

New (Old for most of you) HD channels showed up this morning in Kirtland/Lake County:

Golf Channel, CNN, FX, Fox News Network, Science Channel

No SDV on one of my sets. The HD TiVo I have in the bedroom may be moving to wife's area while I use the 4250 either temporarily or permanently. I had an issue with TiVo and while fixing that problem I started getting blinking light syndrome.

I tried TiVo customer support before calling the cable company but I may have just as well called the cable company. Wasn't much they could do over the phone but it was more then TW does.

I'm hoping by disconnecting and reconnecting I might get some luck and get this thing going again. Going to place a call to my contact at TW, although I don't know if they can help me or not.

This is the sucky side of SDV.:(

Can anyone explain why things like Home & Garden Network Shop NBC and all that other shopping crap she watches is not in SDV?:confused:

I'm still getting constant blinking light on my tuning adapter. I've called TW's "Tuning adapter hotline" a couple times and they've sent hits out to my TA, but it's done no good.

I am getting all my channels between 3 and 100 now, and most of my HD channels as well, but still none of the channels that just rolled out in the last couple weeks. The ones I am getting are coming in without the tuning adapter, too.

TW said they were sending a new TA out to me but I haven't gotten it yet. I talked to them on Friday, so hopefully it will get here soon if it ever does at all.

I'm still getting constant blinking light on my tuning adapter. I've called TW's "Tuning adapter hotline" a couple times and they've sent hits out to my TA, but it's done no good.

I am getting all my channels between 3 and 100 now, and most of my HD channels as well, but still none of the channels that just rolled out in the last couple weeks. The ones I am getting are coming in without the tuning adapter, too.

TW said they were sending a new TA out to me but I haven't gotten it yet. I talked to them on Friday, so hopefully it will get here soon if it ever does at all.

Adam, I just got mine fixed. I wish I could give you my contacts name but I can't do that.

I can tell you what she did to fix mine. I read off the serial number on the back of the tuner adapter and she reinitialized it. After that it powered off. I waited approximately 60 seconds and turned it back on. The light blinked 3 times then went steady green.

Switching to live television I got the "acquiring channels" message and about 2 minutes later everything was back.

This is the unfortunate thing about TW. It seems that you have to know somebody to get things done, and at that you gotta know the right person.

You really should write steve.fry.@twcable.com and get him to get somebody to resolve this for you. It's taken way to long. And it's just not right.

Nice to see TWC not caring for us here in Conneaut.
Nothing new.

Check again tomorrow morning ;)

Check again tomorrow morning ;)

If he says it you'd better believe it!:);)

I do.

Adam, I just got mine fixed. I wish I could give you my contacts name but I can't do that.

I can tell you what she did to fix mine. I read off the serial number on the back of the tuner adapter and she reinitialized it. After that it powered off. I waited approximately 60 seconds and turned it back on. The light blinked 3 times then went steady green.

Switching to live television I got the "acquiring channels" message and about 2 minutes later everything was back.

This is the unfortunate thing about TW. It seems that you have to know somebody to get things done, and at that you gotta know the right person.

You really should write steve.fry.@twcable.com and get him to get somebody to resolve this for you. It's taken way to long. And it's just not right.

Thanks. It may come to that. I just placed another call with the TA Hotline (you leave a message and they call you back), and the person I've dealt with there before seems friendly and knowledgeable, so I might bring up the re-initialization thing to her. I have the afternoon free today, so hopefully I'll be able to put some time into this.

At least I'm getting 90% of my channels now. I've got a list of 25 or so HD channels that I'm still not getting, and they all appear to be the most recently rolled out channels. The oddest part is that I'm still getting plenty of channels that TWC listed as being SDV on the paperwork included with the TA, like Food HD, HGTV HD, and Big Ten Network HD.

Check again tomorrow morning ;)

Will this be true for Mentor (old Comcast) too?

Or will TWC continue to treat us lower than dirt?

Ray

Thanks. It may come to that. I just placed another call with the TA Hotline (you leave a message and they call you back), and the person I've dealt with there before seems friendly and knowledgeable, so I might bring up the re-initialization thing to her. I have the afternoon free today, so hopefully I'll be able to put some time into this.

At least I'm getting 90% of my channels now. I've got a list of 25 or so HD channels that I'm still not getting, and they all appear to be the most recently rolled out channels. The oddest part is that I'm still getting plenty of channels that TWC listed as being SDV on the paperwork included with the TA, like Food HD, HGTV HD, and Big Ten Network HD.

They may have been on the list but I don't think they are actually SDV.

Still I wish you luck. You've got far more patience then I have.:)

Eh, its got less to do with patience and more to do with the fact that most of what I'm missing out on right now is stuff that I'll probably watch only periodically. I've got the networks, ESPN, and TNT, so I'm pretty good.

Edit: I just got off the phone with a guy out of South Carolina and everything is showing up now. Finally!

Eh, its got less to do with patience and more to do with the fact that most of what I'm missing out on right now is stuff that I'll probably watch only periodically. I've got the networks, ESPN, and TNT, so I'm pretty good.

Edit: I just got off the phone with a guy out of South Carolina and everything is showing up now. Finally!

Cool. I'm glad you got it taken care of. Did he reinitialize the tuner adapter? lol you probably don't care.:)

I asked him what was causing the issue and I believe he said the tuning adapter was never properly set up when it was sent to me (surprise surprise), and that he or someone else just had to execute a command line at the head end.

I actually happened to be sitting on my couch with my laptop and glanced at the TA and noticed the light was solid, and about a minute later the phone rang with the guy calling me. All I had to do was disconnect and reconnect the USB cable at the TiVo's end, we verified some things in the Tuning Adapter Diagnostics, and it was all there.

Everyone was really helpful. If anyone else is having TiVo/TA issues, I'd highly recommend speaking with Jeanie (sp?) at the Tuning Adapter Hotline, and having her forward your info to South Carolina if she can't help you resolve the problem.

I asked him what was causing the issue and I believe he said the tuning adapter was never properly set up when it was sent to me (surprise surprise), and that he or someone else just had to execute a command line at the head end.

I actually happened to be sitting on my couch with my laptop and glanced at the TA and noticed the light was solid, and about a minute later the phone rang with the guy calling me. All I had to do was disconnect and reconnect the USB cable at the TiVo's end, we verified some things in the Tuning Adapter Diagnostics, and it was all there.

Yeah, he reinitialized it. And they sent you all the way to S.C. for something that nobody in Cleveland could do for you. Ridiculous.

I suspect that the initialization it's the root of all problems with the TA. And if it losses it's initialization like mine did you can have problems. You should also by now have the new guide data with FOX HD, FOX NEWS HD, CNN etc. on it.

So at about 1:05AM, all three SA boxes in my apartment rebooted, and my TA. Anyone else have this happen?

I was kind of hoping that it meant they were finally going to update from this awful SARA software... but everything is back up, and nothing has changed... except now my tuning adapter isn't working, even after power cycling. I guess I'll have to take care of that in the morning.

We're in Twinsburg - so I'm guessing we're attached to the Macedonia headend.

So at about 1:05AM, all three SA boxes in my apartment rebooted, and my TA. Anyone else have this happen?

I was kind of hoping that it meant they were finally going to update from this awful SARA software... but everything is back up, and nothing has changed... except now my tuning adapter isn't working, even after power cycling. I guess I'll have to take care of that in the morning.

We're in Twinsburg - so I'm guessing we're attached to the Macedonia headend.

Nobody with SARA is changing software. That only happened to those who had Passport.

Check your guide you may have additional HD channels. I know they were launching SDV in some areas. SDV allows TW to deliver more HD while reducing bandwidth but it will still be SARA.

So at about 1:05AM, all three SA boxes in my apartment rebooted, and my TA. Anyone else have this happen?

I was kind of hoping that it meant they were finally going to update from this awful SARA software... but everything is back up, and nothing has changed... except now my tuning adapter isn't working, even after power cycling. I guess I'll have to take care of that in the morning.

We're in Twinsburg - so I'm guessing we're attached to the Macedonia headend.

I already had all the HD channels and SDV and my box also rebooted. I don't see any difference though.

So at about 1:05AM, all three SA boxes in my apartment rebooted, and my TA. Anyone else have this happen?

I was kind of hoping that it meant they were finally going to update from this awful SARA software... but everything is back up, and nothing has changed... except now my tuning adapter isn't working, even after power cycling. I guess I'll have to take care of that in the morning.

We're in Twinsburg - so I'm guessing we're attached to the Macedonia headend.

I'm sorry I responded off my Blackberry this morning when I was half asleep. Your TA has to be reinitialized and that isn't going to be done easily. Adam P and myself were just discussing this, TW reps will attempt to help but unless you get real lucky expect disappointment.

Tell them the TA has to be reinitialized and get the serial number off the back of it. Once they have that it may be helpful. It's nothing that requires a truck roll, insist that they forward you to their cable card service area. You should have better luck there.

Also you can try calling (330) 572 4116 the tuner adapter hotline and let them know you need it reinitialized. That may expedite it faster then customer service.

Is it possible you guys experienced a power outage? If nothing happened and that tuner adapter lost initialization that may have been the culprit.

Good luck.

Definitely call the tuning adapter hotline. They're the only people that were able to help me at all. When you call you'll have to leave a voicemail, so give them your name, address and phone number (like they ask for) so they'll be able to access your account info, and then explain in the message that you need the TA reinitialized. They should give you a call back and take care of it for you.

TiVo's latest channel update brought me 248 (WUABDT2/This TV), and all the other new HD channels in the guide...of course, I have an S2, so I had to tick off the new HD channels. :D

TiVo's latest channel update brought me 248 (WUABDT2/This TV), and all the other new HD channels in the guide...of course, I have an S2, so I had to tick off the new HD channels. :D

I got the HD guide separately, and I got 248 on it's own today. Odd.

Sorry if I am breaking any forum rules by posting this... (Mods please delete if that's the case)

I am reluctantly getting out of the HD TiVo game. My two units will be going up on craigslist shortly, but I wanted to give you all first crack at them. If interested, please PM me with offers for 1 stock TiVo HD and 1 TiVo Series 3 (Oled screen, THX, etc.). I also have 1 TiVo 500GB WD DVR Expander and 1 TiVo Wireless adapter. I'm in North Ridgeville.

Nobody with SARA is changing software. That only happened to those who had Passport.

Check your guide you may have additional HD channels. I know they were launching SDV in some areas. SDV allows TW to deliver more HD while reducing bandwidth but it will still be SARA.

Ah well. Yeah, we got SDV a few weeks ago. Can't remember the exact date, but if I recall correctly, it was turned on around the same time we got the first wave of new HD channels.

June 15:
Travel Channel HD
ESPNU HD
Speed Channel HD
Versus HD
AMC HD
Lifetime Movie HD


Not a very impressive batch this time around... :(

after the Stanley Cup is over..it should have been added at the end of April or end of May at the Latest

what channels are still out there that can be added to the HD Lineup.

Left off that "impressive" list:rolleyes: of HD channels coming June 15 was one that is impressive for us that subscribe to MLB Extra Innings is the HD channel that will come with the package. Finally.:)

what ever happened to Regional Fox Channels showing everything 24/7 in HD..

Right now with the Cavs season over they should just take that station off the list..as nothing will be shown on there..

Left off that "impressive" list:rolleyes: of HD channels coming June 15 was one that is impressive for us that subscribe to MLB Extra Innings is the HD channel that will come with the package. Finally.:)

Whoopee!! The last thing TWC should do is add pay channels in HD. Especially when we don't have: Spike HD, Comedy HD, MSNBC HD, WGN HD.

what ever happened to Regional Fox Channels showing everything 24/7 in HD..

Right now with the Cavs season over they should just take that station off the list..as nothing will be shown on there..

FSN's networks will go 24/7 HD...sometime. Somewhere.

But FSOhio/FSPittsburgh/etc. have never been more than game only channels up to this point.

They said FSN was going HD simulcast this year(2008-2009). That never happened. :(

Is that why this place is so quiet lately? It's the calm before the storm of June 12 and June 15. ;)

Whoopee!! The last thing TWC should do is add pay channels in HD. Especially when we don't have: Spike HD, Comedy HD, MSNBC HD, WGN HD.


Let me explain why you're wrong on this. This is a premium service. They give HD channels for HBO etc. What's different about this?

Further these HD channels are suppose to be part of the package I paid for. Actually its just 1 designated channel that shows maybe 2 games on a day if you're lucky. And since irs SDV its not taking up unnecessary bandwidth. If anything I should have got it as soon as SDV became available.

Whoopee!! The last thing TWC should do is add pay channels in HD. Especially when we don't have: Spike HD, Comedy HD, MSNBC HD, WGN HD.

nick, just an FYI, MSNBC-HD isn't available yet. It launches June 29th
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/msnbc_to_go_hd_on_june_29.php

nick, just an FYI, MSNBC-HD isn't available yet. It launches June 29th
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/msnbc_to_go_hd_on_june_29.php

I know. And June 29th is exactly the time TWC should be launching the next batch of HD channels. I hope MSNBC is coming soon after it is launched.

As these pages get longer & longer to load because of the ad's, I seldom check in .....

I find it hard to believe you can get 53 & 65 but not 35. 35 is the strongest of the 3 (and the highest on the tower too IIRC). I can see the tower from my back door and 65 is very snowy (let it snow, it's only HSC).

Some, if not all the above have applied for DTV channels (one is on 44 IIRC). In any event, those who only have analog equipment will still be able to watch these 3 stations after June 12th, at least for awhile. Ultimately 65 has to move (perhaps they are the one with a ch 44 application) and 53 too. 35 can stay where they are, as that is still in the "core" of TV channels, 53 just missed the cut by one channel (52 is the highest "core" channel).

65 is the strongest by far (a bit snowy), followed by 53, but usually no sign of a picture on 35 (which I read is Retro TV now).

Actually this was the most consice answer as I know the FCC is ansy to sell off the upper channels... though I thought 51 was going to be the higest broadcast, not 52. I'm pretty sure that is correct, 65 has applied for 44 & 53 has applied for 7.

I think you're talking about "broadcasting" on D* and that probably is true, however I'm referring to the local broadcast. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TBS_(TV_channel)):

TBS is a national cable channel, available throughout the entire United States. Until October 1, 2007, the national TBS feed could not be viewed within its home market of the Atlanta Metropolitan Area, due to the over-the-air presence of WTBS, which carried a nearly identical schedule, plus the required public affairs programming and E/I programming for children.
The operations of WTBS (channel 17) and TBS Superstation were split in October 2007, with the over-the-air channel becoming WPCH-TV, a general-entertainment independent station focused on the Atlanta area only. For the first time, the national TBS feed is available to cable and satellite subscribers within channel 17's viewing area.
Due to a technicality, cable and satellite companies in Canada are only permitted to carry the over-the-air Atlanta station, and therefore most now carry WPCH ("Peachtree TV") instead of the nationwide TBS channel that other American viewers receive.[1] This dated back to prior to the change, when TBS programming was offered to Canadian viewers through WTBS, not the national cable channel. Many cable companies were apparently unaware of the changeover until after it occurred.[2] As a result, should Canadian cable companies wish to air "cable" TBS, it will be several months before the necessary approvals are received.

Read & learned, but the 17 allocation still exists in Atlanta.. this is quite recent, last I checked WTBS's programming mirrored the national programming with the exception of Sunday Mornings.

Wow time has flown by.


Howowners associations cannot by law not allow you to have a television antenna on your home. .

Cluster home, although they have laxed dish rules, the antennas are controled & maintained by the association, since 95% don't need an antenna I'm sure it will be struck from the bylaws soon.

BTW, is this strictly a cable forum now? My apologies if it is!

BTW, is this strictly a cable forum now? My apologies if it is!

There is an OTA thread now for local Cleveland. I guess satellite people are there too, don't see anything anymore here but TW.

I wouldn't say it's strictly a "cable only" thread. I don't discriminate so if some OTA talk happens here, I won't complain! ;)

(OTA beats the hell out of the cable theft talk that was here last week!!) ;);)

Just wondered, is the Elyria/Mentor (old Comcast) area the only ones left without SDV? The only new HD channels we have so far, are the first batch ( SCI-FI, USA, DISNEY etc) that came out at the end of March. Do I assume the rest of the new additions since
then are all SDV? I keep waiting for something to happen, but it never does. The SDV adapter boxes have never shown up, even though I answered all the confermation e-mails for my Tivo S3.

Anyone hear any news as to when this will all happen?

Ben Music

Just wondered, is the Elyria/Mentor (old Comcast) area the only ones left without SDV? The only new HD channels we have so far, are the first batch ( SCI-FI, USA, DISNEY etc) that came out at the end of March. Do I assume the rest of the new additions since
then are all SDV? I keep waiting for something to happen, but it never does. The SDV adapter boxes have never shown up, even though I answered all the confermation e-mails for my Tivo S3.

Anyone hear any news as to when this will all happen?

Ben Music

Call the tuner adapter hot line at (330) 572 4116. Tell them you haven't received your TA, they will overnight it to you. At least they should.

As to when you get SDV, Cathode Kid do you have any idea?

Just wondered, is the Elyria/Mentor (old Comcast) area the only ones left without SDV? The only new HD channels we have so far, are the first batch ( SCI-FI, USA, DISNEY etc) that came out at the end of March.
Ben Music

Out here in Kirtland (right next to Mentor) the following showed up last week:

Golf Channel HD
CNN HD
FX HD
Fox News Network HD
Science Channel HD

Out here in Kirtland (right next to Mentor) the following showed up last week:

Golf Channel HD
CNN HD
FX HD
Fox News Network HD
Science Channel HD

I'm not certain but I think Ben Music is strictly TiVo and if that's the case without a tuner adapter he'd have no idea about new channels.

Out here in Kirtland (right next to Mentor) the following showed up last week:

Golf Channel HD
CNN HD
FX HD
Fox News Network HD
Science Channel HD


The Elyria/Mentor Area includes Amherst, Amherst Twp, Avon, Avonlake, Bay Village, Carlisle Twp, Concord, Eastlake, Eaton Twp, Elyria, Elyria Twp, Fairport Harbor,Grand River, Lakeline, Mentor, New Russia Twp, North Ridgeville, Painsville, South Amherst, Timberlake, Wickcliffe, Willoughby, and Willoughby Hills.

I BELIEVE, but don't know for sure, that Kirtland is a part of the former Adelphia system...

The Mentor/Elyria area is ex Comcast, is it not?

The Mentor/Elyria area is ex Comcast, is it not?

That is correct.

I'm not certain but I think Ben Music is strictly TiVo and if that's the case without a tuner adapter he'd have no idea about new channels.

Actually, it's OTA, TWC (MOTO), TIVO S3, and DIRECTV.
The TIVO S3 shows guide info for the new HD channels, but no picture or sound. Just current program info at the top of the screen when I click on any of the new HD chan's. I still find it strange that all the new HD chan's are SDV, while most of the SD chan's are not. I would have thought it would be the other way around.

I know that sooner or later I'm going to have to trade my MOTO box, for a SA box. I'm suprised that TWC hasn't sent me a letter or e-mail about that yet. Has anyone figured out how to program a SA box to do a 30 sec skip?

Ben Music

(OTA beats the hell out of the cable theft talk that was here last week!!) ;);)

I am happy to let Nickdawg and Hookbill know that all the local channels are back free and clear in HD via QAM!!!;););)

I am happy to let Nickdawg and Hookbill know that all the local channels are back free and clear in HD via QAM!!!;););)

Lol no skin off my back.:) How many days were they not available?

I really don't consider getting something off QAM stealing and if you get it more power to you. I just questioned if locals had to be clear in QAM. Now how nickdawg feels about it may be another matter.

I do think TW wants you to pay. Don't be surprised if they disappear again.

I'm running for chairman of the FCC. First rule: abolishing analog broadcast and SDV. Everyone gets a cable box with full bandwidth HDTV. ;)

Next job after that: 1080p OTA and cable/satellite!! :D

Anyone else's channels between 430 and 500 just go out all of a sudden?

I'm running for chairman of the FCC. First rule: abolishing analog broadcast and SDV.

Well, you're a little late on abolishing analog broadcast. Little birdie told me that's going to happen in a few days.... :)

Anyone else's channels between 430 and 500 just go out all of a sudden?

Yes, last night they said they are temporarily unavailable for some reason.

I'm running for chairman of the FCC. First rule: abolishing analog broadcast and SDV. Everyone gets a cable box with full bandwidth HDTV. ;)

Next job after that: 1080p OTA and cable/satellite!! :D

OK, Mr. Chairman so what does the cable companies do about creating more bandwith for more HD channels if you ablolish SDV.

Also SDV is working fine in my area. Maybe it's a problem working it with that Navigator software you have. Or, perhaps it's that wonderful DVR you use.

Yes, last night they said they are temporarily unavailable for some reason.

Cool, just making sure it wasn't an issue on my end. Everything is back to normal now.

Well if they can cut out 90% of all the 70+ analog channels and only keep the must-carry's (something like 2-15 give or take), there'd be ample bandwidth for a large number of HD channels (say 75 existing channels minus 15, there is 60 analog channels. at 3 HD channels that is 180 ADDITIONAL channels, not even considering what is on now either in SDV or non-SDV. They wouldn't ever even need to use SDV for future channels unless they started capping out after adding 150+ HD channels (are there even that much yet?) and then it'd be a piece of cake to start moving existing channels to SDV oe by one.

In a case like this I will agree with nickdawg and have plenty of times. Cableco's are getting the shaft by the FCC and can't cut out their analog's and build their digital lineups because of the grandfathered tech and backlash and lawsuits from consumers. Comcast has really been the only one successful with such a thing so far through a scorched earth policy and I don't even recall how well it has went so far.

Drop all but the must carry analog channels and increase that available QAM bandwidth and then offer crippled DCTs for like $1-$2/mo per tv to continue receiving the expanded basic programming.

Bandwith isn't only a cable issue. D* handled it by launching more satellites and if I recall they switched to mpeg 4 on many of their transmissions. I think at that time it was referred to as "HD Light."

Anyone else who subscribes to this thread having problems getting emails on updates? Seems to be happening a lot to me.

Cool, just making sure it wasn't an issue on my end. Everything is back to normal now.

So long as that light stays green, you're fine. One of my TiVo's rebooted on me and all I could do was stare at the blinking light. As soon as it fully rebooted light stopped blinking.

Reason my TiVo rebooted? I hit pause and it wouldn't so I hit pause a few more times and pissed it off. I guess.

As much as I knock SA machines I will say I've never had the amount of reboots from them as I do on my TiVos. Fortunately these reboots never happen during a recording.

Once this whole SDV thing works with my TiVo for about a month with no hiccups then I'll rest easy. Until then I'm going to be suspicious about everything.

And yet, I'm still considering getting a second TiVo to replace the SA 4250.

Once this whole SDV thing works with my TiVo for about a month with no hiccups then I'll rest easy. Until then I'm going to be suspicious about everything.

And yet, I'm still considering getting a second TiVo to replace the SA 4250.

I just got something from them in my email. TiVo HD with free service. You may want to look now that's a deal and a half.

Bandwith isn't only a cable issue. D* handled it by launching more satellites and if I recall they switched to mpeg 4 on many of their transmissions. I think at that time it was referred to as "HD Light."

Yes, but they don't have nearly the amount of forced limitations, restrictions, and other garbage that cable has to deal with.

Cable has a given limit on available bandwidth. They can't just launch another satellite and bam. And mpeg4 is a bit difficult considering there is equipment out there not owned by them which is mpeg2 only (your Tivos are a great example) so either they do part mpeg4 on a tier of channels and have people bitch or wait till everyone gets up to speed (possibly never).

Hell, I'd much rather them go all fiber and IPTV and not have these problems to begin with, but we know that's a fat chance on a cold day in hell in the dog days of summer. At least the option of killing the analogs is more within their reach given other cableco's like comcast have done it with little changes other than providing neutered/low end DCTs to basic subscribers.

I like your idea, Vchat. And I think I found a way for TWC to save money. Replace all the old Pioneer BD-V1000 boxes with new SA boxes. Then take the old Pioneer boxes, download a very minimal OS on them(one that makes the SARA boxes look like Tivos) and use those for customers who do not want extra features. And sell the outdated Pioneer boxes for $1 or $2 a month.

I think we've discussed this before, but it is a load of crap what the cable companies have to do. Out of all the TV options: Cable, Satellite, IPTV, OTA; only cable will still be broadcasting in analog next week! :p

I think we've discussed this before, but it is a load of crap what the cable companies have to do. Out of all the TV options: Cable, Satellite, IPTV, OTA; only cable will still be broadcasting in analog next week! :p

So how exactly is that going to work. Lets say they have a fiber feed directly form local stations, I think that's safe to assume. Now are they sending an analog signal on that feed? I didn't think that was possible I thought it had to be digital. And if it is digital then what TW is doing, to the best of my knowledge, is taking the digital feed, converting it to analog, and then converting it back to digital again?

That doesn't make sense. Anybody got a clue?

So how exactly is that going to work. Lets say they have a fiber feed directly form local stations, I think that's safe to assume. Now are they sending an analog signal on that feed? I didn't think that was possible I thought it had to be digital. And if it is digital then what TW is doing, to the best of my knowledge, is taking the digital feed, converting it to analog, and then converting it back to digital again?

That doesn't make sense. Anybody got a clue?

Right now they are sending an analog signal, for the SD channel. That signal is converted to a digital channel for TVs with digital STB. It's analog on TVs just connected to the cable line. But once the analog channels go away(on Friday!!) TWC will be using a digital signal, which should be sent in digital for TVs with a STB and converted to analog for the infidels who won't buy a cable box(or a Tivo!) ;).

I think if the signal coming in from fiber or OTA is digital, it is probably going through as digital. I don't see why it would be converted from digital to analog back to digital. The easiest route would be to convert from digital to analog.

Right now they are sending an analog signal, for the SD channel. That signal is converted to a digital channel for TVs with digital STB. It's analog on TVs just connected to the cable line. But once the analog channels go away(on Friday!!) TWC will be using a digital signal, which should be sent in digital for TVs with a STB and converted to analog for the infidels who won't buy a cable box(or a Tivo!) ;).

Right. But can you send an analog signal on fiber optic line? Maybe it isn't a fiber optic line maybe we just a ss u me that. :)


I think if the signal coming in from fiber or OTA is digital, it is probably going through as digital. I don't see why it would be converted from digital to analog back to digital. The easiest route would be to convert from digital to analog.

Yes exactly. Are we using too much common sense?;)

Right. But can you send an analog signal on fiber optic line? Maybe it isn't a fiber optic line maybe we just a ss u me that.

Yes. Telephone, internet, TV signals can all be sent on fiber optic lines. I don't see why analog couldn't be sent. It would be lower quality, but it can be done.

Yes exactly. Are we using too much common sense?;)

I think so. Remember TWC thinks like we think. And apparently TWC thinks we are all bass ackwards like they are. ;)

How do you think TWC sends the analog channels to you being a hybrid fiber coax plant? It's just RF modulated as an optical carrier. Doesn't care what's being carried across that RF whether it's analog NTSC or QAM. I'm pretty sure there are some high profile live event production trucks that feed analog HD from multiple cameras on a single fiber (we're talking many gigabits per camera for example).

I'm pretty sure there are some high profile live event production trucks that feed analog HD from multiple cameras on a single fiber (we're talking many gigabits per camera for example).
:D If it's measured in "gigabits", then it's not analog. ;)

:D If it's measured in "gigabits", then it's not analog. ;)

My bad. My thinking was off. Regardless, the point stands that fiber is fiber and doesn't care what is being transmitted across it. Just like how we have coax now which can carry anything with the right modulation and equipment. Cableco's already do this kind of thing and transmit the analogs from the headend to your local nodes over fiber in the analog space.

I may have been thinking of HD-SDI which is uncompressed digital video streams and runs like ~1.5gb/s for 1080i and while is designed for an electrical 'serial' interface, I'm sure is run over fiber by some especially for long runs where an electrical signal is much less efficient with length losses than an optical transmission.

Anybody else think that the amount of information about the digital switch is overkill? I mean how difficult can this possibly be to understand?

Once this whole SDV thing works with my TiVo for about a month with no hiccups then I'll rest easy. Until then I'm going to be suspicious about everything.

And yet, I'm still considering getting a second TiVo to replace the SA 4250.

That would be great...I seem to be rebooting my Tivo/Tuning Adapter once every 4-5 days because it will just randomly stop tuning SDV channels.

That's just plain crazy. TiVo itself has nothing to do with decoding the SDV channels that is done by the tuner adapter. You must have a defective one. Quit rebooting TiVo and replace the tuner adapter.

I lost a few SDV channels the other night again, but only for about 5-10 minutes. Other than that, no SDV/tuning adapter issues since I got everything up and running.

Regardless, the point stands that fiber is fiber and doesn't care what is being transmitted across it.Agreed. That's why I clipped that part from the quote - I didn't intend my quip to stand against it. I was just amused at the disconnect.

I lost a few SDV channels the other night again, but only for about 5-10 minutes. Other than that, no SDV/tuning adapter issues since I got everything up and running.

I noticed that MLBnetwork HD was down for about 5 minutes the other day. Now whether this is SDV related or not I don't know. It seems whenever TW adds new HD channels there is a bit of a "problem period" they go through.

In any case I don't believe that has anything to do with the tuner adapter. As long as the light is green we are fine. I think non TiVo people probably experienced it as well. The outage was so brief I didn't have time to check my 4250, next time I will.

I have noticed several stations being down at various times (all were HD) each a few minutes.
I have 2 different hd cable boxes, I do not have tivo.
The problems started after sdv.

On or after May 26, 2009, ten Movies On Demand HD services will be added to positions 980-989 in some areas.
May 26th Ha
they just showed up yesterday on my box

May 26th Ha
they just showed up yesterday on my box

On or after. It's after. Whatta ya complaining about?;):D

I just hope it doesnt go 15 days after the next batch of HD channels

May 26th Ha
they just showed up yesterday on my box

I just hope it doesnt go 15 days after the next batch of HD channels

Stop your Whining. In the lower than dirt old Comcast area (Mentor anyways) we still do not have SDV or the last batch of HD channels.

I want an adjustment to my bill. If it was not such a painful experience to call TWC I'd call and ask for an adjustment until SDV and new HD channels appear.

Ray

I want an adjustment to my bill. If it was not such a painful experience to call TWC I'd call and ask for an adjustment until SDV and new HD channels appear.

Ray

Heh heh and if everybody did it maybe you'd see some action. But so long as everybody feels like you do about it why should they?;)

It's not that painful. They will give you 20 bucks just to get you off their backs.

I just saw a message pop up on my screen. I think this was a TiVo/Tuner Adapter thing but I could be wrong.

Message said "If you are still watching this channel press select. Otherwise this channel may temporarily discontinue."

I pressed select and message went away. I was watching CNN HD at the time the message popped up, a SDV channel. I've had it on since 9:00 this morning.

Now what I find interesting about this is I've left my TiVo's on an SDV channel for over 24 hours and never have seen that message. We don't "turn off" the TiVo's although some may put them on standby. I wonder if it does turn off the broadcast when I'm not watching and turn it back on again? And how about you guys with STB's and DVR's have you ever seen this?

Ohio Media Watch is reporting that WKYC is now broadcasting on 17.1. I did a rescan of my cockatoos television and sure enough for the first time ever I'm getting a signal, though it may be week from WKYC. I've never been able to get that channel prior to this.

Heres the link to OMW.

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2009/06/breaking-news-full-power-wkyc-dt-on-air.html

I just saw a message pop up on my screen. I think this was a TiVo/Tuner Adapter thing but I could be wrong.

Message said "If you are still watching this channel press select. Otherwise this channel may temporarily discontinue."

I pressed select and message went away. I was watching CNN HD at the time the message popped up, a SDV channel. I've had it on since 9:00 this morning.

Now what I find interesting about this is I've left my TiVo's on an SDV channel for over 24 hours and never have seen that message. We don't "turn off" the TiVo's although some may put them on standby. I wonder if it does turn off the broadcast when I'm not watching and turn it back on again? And how about you guys with STB's and DVR's have you ever seen this?

I have that with the TWC box too. The other day I was watching CNNHD for several hours and by 5 hours it said "To Continue Watching This Channel, Press Any Button". The equipment has a timeout feature for SDV so if a channel is tuned for a long time and not viewed/recorded, the resources are not wasted. If all the slots are full because people have their TV left on a SDV channel, others might see the Not Available message. I usually don't have this problem with the DVR because I always turn it off(to save the hard drive), so the channel isn't tuned plus I'm usually flipping through the guide or something, so I don't get the Continue Watching message or the DVR Sleep Mode message often.

I noticed that MLBnetwork HD was down for about 5 minutes the other day. Now whether this is SDV related or not I don't know. It seems whenever TW adds new HD channels there is a bit of a "problem period" they go through.

In any case I don't believe that has anything to do with the tuner adapter. As long as the light is green we are fine. I think non TiVo people probably experienced it as well. The outage was so brief I didn't have time to check my 4250, next time I will.

It's probably SDV related. That happens sometimes. Other channels work fine but SDV channels are "Not Available". Happened to me Monday during Monday Night RAW. Really pissed me off. :mad:

Same issue here in N. Canton. WKYC hi def QAM is MIA. I have hi def QAM for WEWS (5-1), WJW (8-1), WOIO (19-1), WUAB (43-1) and WNEO (49-1). Numerous rescans on my Vizio VW37L and nothing. Was too lazy to get out the antenna last night so I had to watch Jay's farewell in SD. Bummer.

I have been able to relocate at 111-1 on my QAM tuner with a TWC feed. 111-2 is the WKYC weather station and 111-3 is the local PBS station.

I recently moved to QAM from OTA and noticed a substantial degradation in picture quality. Seems to me the color, clarity and vibrance of the OTA picture is unparalleled. I don't think most people know what they are missing with cable or satellite HD reception.

Obviously, biggest problem with OTA (particularly using rabbit ears) is that not all local channels come in all the time, and often planes or high winds interrupt signal. Perhaps would be better with rooftop antenna, but neighborhood restrictions preclude use thereof.

Ohio Media Watch is reporting that WKYC is now broadcasting on 17.1. I did a rescan of my cockatoos television and sure enough for the first time ever I'm getting a signal, though it may be week from WKYC. I've never been able to get that channel prior to this.

Heres the link to OMW.

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2009/06/breaking-news-full-power-wkyc-dt-on-air.html

Just tried a scan where I am in Akron, and came up empty on WKYC. I will try again but I have a feeling they took it down.

Ohio Media Watch is reporting that WKYC is now broadcasting on 17.1. I did a rescan of my cockatoos television and sure enough for the first time ever I'm getting a signal, though it may be week from WKYC. I've never been able to get that channel prior to this.

Your cockatoo doesn't know how to rescan it by himself yet? You've got to train him better. :)

Look for WKYC-DT 17 to be on the air for good starting this evening, with the "official" launch tomorrow morning.

I haven't seen any more notices of additional channels past June 15th. Any ideas?