I haven't seen any more notices of additional channels past June 15th. Any ideas?

That's the end. No more additional channels until the next rate hike.;)

That's the end. No more additional channels until the next rate hike.;)

Oh boy. Lotta people here going to have coronaries over this one. Better put Mr. Jasso under witness protection. ;)

So, who's ready to start watching analog OTA go bye bye? I am. I can't wait!! :D:D:D:D:D

I'm very disappointed in our local stations tonight. I was hoping they were going to run persistent overlays stating: THIS CHANNEL ENDS TOMORROW AT 10AM to make sure the morons who still are clueless finally get a clue. From my observations, it still looks like business as usual over on the analog side...

I'm very disappointed in our local stations tonight. I was hoping they were going to run persistent overlays stating: THIS CHANNEL ENDS TOMORROW AT 10AM to make sure the morons who still are clueless finally get a clue. From my observations, it still looks like business as usual over on the analog side...

Did you not read my short rant on the overkill of information for these people? They have hot lines set up at the stations. FCC is available. Heck in one town the friggin fire department is helping people install the darn converter boxes.

Not only that in commercials TW is offering free install. If they haven't got the message by now tough titty said rhe kitty when the milk runs dry at 10 am tomorrow.

Did you not read my short rant on the overkill of information for these people? They have hot lines set up at the stations. FCC is available. Heck in one town the friggin fire department is helping people install the darn converter boxes.

Not only that in commercials TW is offering free install. If they haven't got the message by now tough titty said rhe kitty when the milk runs dry at 10 am tomorrow.

I want that just on the analog channels, mostly in the name of harassing the s--t out of the people not ready. I was the head guy at WEWS. I'd be running a HUGE banner over the basketball game on 5 analog OTA only. 15(5) HDTV would be crap free, as a reward to those who are ready. ;);)

In other news, WKYC ran a Hurricane Warning at 8:34 pm for Columbiana county.

http://www.cleveland.com/forums/television/

I want that just on the analog channels, mostly in the name of harassing the s--t out of the people not ready. I was the head guy at WEWS. I'd be running a HUGE banner over the basketball game on 5 analog OTA only. 15(5) HDTV would be crap free, as a reward to those who are ready. ;);)

In other news, WKYC ran a Hurricane Warning at 8:34 pm for Columbiana county.

http://www.cleveland.com/forums/television/

How about a count down bug? "Your TV will end" and above it the bug.:)

How about a count down bug? "Your TV will end" and above it the bug.:)

Cool Idea!! "You TV will self destruct in: ..." ;);) :p

I saw someone post somewhere about tailgating a Best Buy parking lot watching all the clueless people run in and out with brand new flat screens because 'their tv broke'.

I saw someone post somewhere about tailgating a Best Buy parking lot watching all the clueless people run in and out with brand new flat screens because 'their tv broke'.

HA! :p

I love watching clueless people in a panic, though from a safe distance. :D

Hrm. Can someone here with the skills help me confirm some suspicisions?

All of a sudden I have noticed a lot of channels that used to be marked copy freely are now marked copy once. This includes channels like Palladia (understandable if they just caught it and being MTV owned), Weather Channel (on the fence), and Discovery (SHOULD be open as Discovery has a mandate to keep their channels copy freely last I recall). Locals are still copy freely, but the cable networks that used to be copy freely now seem to all be locked down.

Just curious if it is me, my box, or more widespread around here?

F--K you TWC!! Looks like their $h!tty, bandwidth wasting analog service won't be going away any time soon. All I see on local TV lately is ads about "no converter boxes" and "use your same remote". They claim you can get a "clear, reliable picture". But in reality you are paying TWC $9.95 a month(For 12 Months) just to get the same fuzzy analog garbage you used to get OTA.

Just in case it is not already known, OTA DIGITAL TV IS FAR SUPERIOR TO ANALOG CABLE!!

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TWC calls it a "complicated converter box". Yeah, you know how complicated those IN FROM ANT/OUT TO TV connections are! :rolleyes: It's like a 1980s/1990s VHS machine. I'm not surprised that people are incorrectly watching HD sets with cable boxes. If they can't get the idea of IN/OUT, how would they ever understand Y/Pr/Pb; L/R; COAX, OPTICAL, etc... I'm sure some of these cavemen would probably screw up a HDMI connection :p

Nick,
Cool it. We all know how you feel and your incessant rants here aren't going to change TWC's business model. You're ranting to the "choir"!!!

F--K you TWC!! Looks like their $h!tty, bandwidth wasting analog service won't be going away any time soon. All I see on local TV lately is ads about "no converter boxes" and "use your same remote". They claim you can get a "clear, reliable picture". But in reality you are paying TWC $9.95 a month(For 12 Months) just to get the same fuzzy analog garbage you used to get OTA.

Just in case it is not already known, OTA DIGITAL TV IS FAR SUPERIOR TO ANALOG CABLE!!

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One Correction:

TWC calls it a "complicated converter box". Yeah, you know how complicated those IN FROM ANT/OUT TO TV connections are! :rolleyes: It's like a 1980s/1990s VHS machine. I'm not surprised that people are incorrectly watching HD sets with cable boxes. If they can't get the idea of IN/OUT, how would they ever understand Y/Pr/Pb; L/R; COAX, OPTICAL, etc... I'm sure some of these cavemen would probably screw up a HDMI connection :p


The FCC has mandated that they continue to provide analog service for, at least, the local stations for 3 years.

WEWS "unofficially" shut off at 9:50 by running a DTV Test message stating that "WEWS will be shutting off analog at 10AM" and listing their phone number and website.

The FCC has mandated that they continue to provide analog service for, at least, the local stations for 3 years.

I hope you're kidding, because that is simply not true.

OK here we go. WBNX is still coming in from TW as an analog channel. All the others are showing digital, but judging from pq it still looks like converted digital.

WBNX is showing PCM 48. How is this possible if they are all broadcasting in analog. Be back after I check something.

Let's all give the engineers at WJW a standing ovation. At 10:00 I noticed on my TV connected to TWC that the picture on 8 went dark. Within a minute and a half, they were back on the air(presumably on their new RF-8). I'm very impressed.

OK here we go. WBNX is still coming in from TW as an analog channel. All the others are showing digital, but judging from pq it still looks like converted digital.

WBNX is showing PCM 48. How is this possible if they are all broadcasting in analog. Be back after I check something.

It's probably digital converted to analog. If the channel is still encoded as an analog channel, it will remain analog. The only thing that changed is the source.

Let's all give the engineers at WJW a standing ovation. At 10:00 I noticed on my TV connected to TWC that the picture on 8 went dark. Within a minute and a half, they were back on the air(presumably on their new RF-8). I'm very impressed.

I can't get FOX 8 OTA anymore, and that was my strongest signal. I can get WKYC, it's now my strongest signal. This is all via rabbit ears, apparently their VHF signal is not strong enough for me to receive. My cockatoo is screaming, he's highly upset that his FOX programs arn't on.

I can't get FOX 8 OTA anymore, and that was my strongest signal. I can get WKYC, it's now my strongest signal. This is all via rabbit ears, apparently their VHF signal is not strong enough for me to receive. My cockatoo is screaming, he's highly upset that his FOX programs arn't on.

Same situation here...WJW has moved from a blowtorch to a Bic lighter for me, digital signal wise...and WKYC is the blowtorch now!

I did manage to lock on WJW here. But it's not nearly the signal it was (internal/rabbit ears here, too) on 31.

I hope you're kidding, because that is simply not true.


I stand corrected.

Oh, forgot I was on the TWC board.

WBNX analog is gone, so TWC must be picking up from digital OTA. I'm pretty sure WBNX doesn't have fiber to the cable company.

Oh, forgot I was on the TWC board.

WBNX analog is gone, so TWC must be picking up from digital OTA. I'm pretty sure WBNX doesn't have fiber to the cable company.

Well, it still showing up as analog on the cable. So they are down converting if that's the case.

I have been able to relocate at 111-1 on my QAM tuner with a TWC feed. 111-2 is the WKYC weather station and 111-3 is the local PBS station.

I recently moved to QAM from OTA and noticed a substantial degradation in picture quality. Seems to me the color, clarity and vibrance of the OTA picture is unparalleled. I don't think most people know what they are missing with cable or satellite HD reception.

Obviously, biggest problem with OTA (particularly using rabbit ears) is that not all local channels come in all the time, and often planes or high winds interrupt signal. Perhaps would be better with rooftop antenna, but neighborhood restrictions preclude use thereof.


Thanks. I did scan and find WKYC at 111-X on my LG 3510A, but still nothing on the Vizio. And you're right, the OTA feed looks much better anyway (seemingly even more so this week, both HD and SD channels are looking terrible on TWC). I'll be rescanning everything tomorrow (both OTA and QAM), guess I'll see what I can find then.

Hrm. Can someone here with the skills help me confirm some suspicisions?

All of a sudden I have noticed a lot of channels that used to be marked copy freely are now marked copy once. This includes channels like Palladia (understandable if they just caught it and being MTV owned), Weather Channel (on the fence), and Discovery (SHOULD be open as Discovery has a mandate to keep their channels copy freely last I recall). Locals are still copy freely, but the cable networks that used to be copy freely now seem to all be locked down.

Just curious if it is me, my box, or more widespread around here?

Discovery HD? Nope that's not copy freely. TW policy is suppose to be any analog, copy freely any local HD, copy freely. All other HD and digital is copy once.

Regular Discovery channel if it's still on analog would be copy freely. If they moved it to digital then you're out of luck.

Discovery HD? Nope that's not copy freely. TW policy is suppose to be any analog, copy freely any local HD, copy freely. All other HD and digital is copy once.

Regular Discovery channel if it's still on analog would be copy freely. If they moved it to digital then you're out of luck.

Are you 100% certain cause I could have swore Discovery had made it a part of the carriage contract that all their owned networks had to be in the clear?

Remember that all channels are digital here even the SD ones down in 2-99 (and are dupes of the ones on 100+. Same QAM location, different displayed channel #). Weather Channel SD, Discovery SD and HD, and Palladia HD have been 3 channels outside of the locals that have always worked here. And considering they quickly caught on with channels like Disney and USA when they first came in as HD and flipped them to copy once, it's kinda odd that after a couple months they NOW decide to flip it over.

I'm just curious to see if anyone else is getting 0x02 Copy Once on these channels or not since they WERE 0x00 Copy Freely just as recently as the night before last.

I just checked. There is no cci byte for Discovery Analog and Discovery HD is showing 0x02. I can tell you that this is one of my major beefs with TW that there is no restriction on the analog channels but they do restrict on all digital channels (over channel 100 for me) are 0x02. Now how they handle your digitals under 100 I have no idea of course.

Well when you are talking TRUE analog (where your Tivo or STB are taking in the analog cable signal and encoding it themselves) it is kinda hard to add any copy protection to it. ;) But once in that digital domain where TWC has more control over it, the transport stream has facilities for said copy protection.

That is weird though that they changed that. I'll have to try going through more channels and see if any others are newly locked out.

I stand corrected.

Clevemkt, you were correct. The FCC is requiring cable operators to provide analog signals through 2012, either directly or via set-top boxes for all subscribers. FCC document here (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-276576A1.pdf) (pdf).

Clevemkt, you were correct. The FCC is requiring cable operators to provide analog signals through 2012, either directly or via set-top boxes for all subscribers. FCC document here (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-276576A1.pdf) (pdf).

OK I will stand corrected as I thought Clevemkt was referring to broadcast television. You are correct about the FCC and analog cable.

This however confuses me even further as to what goes on in native TW land. Are all the analog channels we have upgraded digital? Do you need a box to get basic plus?

I'm really also confused why WBNX has never been upgraded to digital in my area.

I'm really also confused why WBNX has never been upgraded to digital in my area.

Analog VHF signals may be duplicated in digital format by a cable company in order to combat ingress and deliver a better picture. When a cable-ready set is tuned to a VHF broadcast station that's carried "on channel," i.e. 3 is on cable 3, 5 is on cable 5, etc, there's the possibility that the tv set will receive a broadcast station via the cable signal and via the airwaves at the same time due to a loose fitting, poor shielding in the set or other reasons. When this happens, the same picture arrives at the tv set twice, separated by a few microseconds or so. This causes a ghost in the image. By offering the VHF broadcast channels in digital format for STBs and cablecard-equipped sets, the ingress problem is neatly solved.

The UHF broadcasters aren't carried "on-channel," since cable channel 55 is an entirely different frequency than UHF channel 55, and it's the same for the other UHF stations, so there's no ingress issue to work around.

Now the way that a cable company transports the broadcast channel between the headend and the neighborhood can be analog, digital or some combination of both methods depending on the requirements of the system.

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And this "analog cable carriage" of local broadcast stations on cable, even now that analog is gone, will continue as posted above.

Cable systems can only ditch the analog carriage of the over-air stations if they switch entirely to digital, like Massillon Cable is doing.

About 2 minutes before midnight I noticed my TV without a TWC box stopped working. My digital boxes work fine, but the one with just the cable line has fuzz on every channel.

About 2 minutes before midnight I noticed my TV without a TWC box stopped working. My digital boxes work fine, but the one with just the cable line has fuzz on every channel.
just noticed that also, though only stations from 19.2-41.0 are the only stations missing on both my cable only TV's. tried rescanning and nothing.

actually that problem is only on my new LCD with a QAM tuner in the bedroom. on my living set I only have 15, 18 and 41-77.

and when I put the LCD on air and scanned no channels 2-14, just 14-26, no 22 though. pretty strange. hopefully things will be normal in the morning.

well, it's around 1:20am and things seem to be back to normal. got all my stations back.

Well, the DTV transition is over. TWC is finally adding HD channels. Guess that explains why this place is so silent.

What should we discuss here now? Sports, Music, Movies, TV Shows, Current Events? :p

Nah, we can start bitching that the June 15th wave of TWC HD channels won't show up exactly at 12:01 AM that day. :D

I want to bitch about the fact that analog recordings take more disk space on my DVR then digital SD. This unfortunately leads me to the fact that all, and I do mean all the analog channels I recorded on are now in HD which takes even more disk space. And since TW, in its infinite wisdom has decided to make all non local HD channels copy protected I can't move them from my DVR to my computer or the other DVR to make room. Thats what I'll bitch about.

Now I could still record these shows in analog still which takes up 1/2 the disk space of HD but who's going to do that? Whats so stupid about TW's decision is all these shows are not copy protected (in my area) since they are not digital.

And this isn't TW's fault but the only reason I'm sitting here bitching at all is because my Dodger game is delayed due to the fact that Texas Rangers apparently cannot pay their lighting bill or have engineers who don't know what they are doing.

Why is my name in brown now? nickdawgs was for a while but I figured maybe he did that on purpose. Am I in trouble again?

Did a re-scan of my digital TVs and Sony HD DVRs (with TW cable, all cable ready, no set top box) Nothing different I could see. All tune in same basic channels + all clear QAM digital SD and High-Def locals. The DTV transition - a non-issue for me. Hope it went smoothly for everyone else.

I really, really, really, really hope the TWC cable never goes out now. If it does, the only thing I''ll be able to watch is the WKYC nightlight channel. A quick trip through the TV channels with just an antenna connected, ass I get is WKYC analog. Everything else is fuzz. Wow, I can't believe it is gone.

Does anyone with a DiSH 722/622 receiver pick up the audio on WEAO subchannel 3 (49.3) via OTA? I can get the video but not the audio, the other subchannels video and audio come in fine.

Why is my name in brown now? nickdawgs was for a while but I figured maybe he did that on purpose. Am I in trouble again?

Maybe mine was brown because they think I am full of s---!! ;) :p:p:p

hookbill: It's been covered before and while TWC definitely NEEDS to get on the ball in your area (considering I am fairly sure your 2-99 channels are being fed digitally up there in the system but just not in the channel listings pushed to the STBs. If they weren't, they'd have a helluva lot more bandwidth on their hands than they claim.) and start sending those channels digitally to those with boxes. It is just rediculous. Here in legacy territory we have had 2-99 fed as digital for a long while with the only exception being a few local access channels and even those have went digital recently.

The reason why the analogs take up so much space is kind of a total hammering on the Tivo or even TW's own STBs. The mpeg2 encoder chips in those boxes aren't of terribly high quality so will use more bitrate than needed for decent quality compared to higher quality encoders employed by TW at their headends. Combine in all the interference from the analog signal to exacerbate that. And compare that to the 4-5 figure encoders TW employs with minimal or no interference and then added compression to get the bitrates down and you can start to see the connection.

Of course this has all been discussed and beat to death before. ;) Maybe you can just put a bug in the ear of your headend contact there or at least see if there's a given reason why they haven't started feeding you guys those channels digitally yet?

Also, berenga: This is one of the things all these transition ads were trying to clear up. You aren't going to see a change if you are viewing these channels through cable since the transition doesn't affect them. It only affects you if you are receiving them through an antenna. Example here being I used to pull in 21,21-1,21-2,27,27-1,27-2, and 33 with the non-dash channels being the analogs. Now I only get 21-1, 21-2, 27-1, and 27-2. Those analogs are byebye for good and in their place nice crips high-def digital broadcasts often beating the pants off of what is coming across on cable.

Edit: Hopefully if I get up early enough I can finally get around to wiring my outdoor antenna back up and do a rescan and see what I can pick up this time around. Would love to pull in some cleveland stations but doubt it without a good directional+amp. ;)

hookbill: It's been covered before and while TWC definitely NEEDS to get on the ball in your area (considering I am fairly sure your 2-99 channels are being fed digitally up there in the system but just not in the channel listings pushed to the STBs. If they weren't, they'd have a helluva lot more bandwidth on their hands than they claim.) and start sending those channels digitally to those with boxes. It is just rediculous. Here in legacy territory we have had 2-99 fed as digital for a long while with the only exception being a few local access channels and even those have went digital recently.

The reason why the analogs take up so much space is kind of a total hammering on the Tivo or even TW's own STBs. The mpeg2 encoder chips in those boxes aren't of terribly high quality so will use more bitrate than needed for decent quality compared to higher quality encoders employed by TW at their headends. Combine in all the interference from the analog signal to exacerbate that. And compare that to the 4-5 figure encoders TW employs with minimal or no interference and then added compression to get the bitrates down and you can start to see the connection.

Of course this has all been discussed and beat to death before. ;) Maybe you can just put a bug in the ear of your headend contact there or at least see if there's a given reason why they haven't started feeding you guys those channels digitally yet?



You forgot to include the picture of the guy beating a dead horse. That's hilarious if anybody has it repost it.

And yeah I'm beating a dead horse but I wanted to bitch and complain and hey why not something that still irritates the crap out of me?:D;)

What TWC needs to do and what will never be done is take copy protection of channels that really don't need or want it, not just put it on every channel they please. I wish I knew somebody down in native TW land who had a TiVo, I'd love to see if those "digital" channels you receive in the 2-99 area are actually 0X01. Under TW's theory of "protect anything digital" they would not be.

I don't know if satellite has any home media offerings or if the new TiVo they have will even provide that (the old D-TiVo's did not). Any Satellite people around with a DVR? Does it have home media, in other words the ability to transfer to a computer? And if so can you do that with all channels?

If satellite offers this that IMHO is a huge advantage over cable. Just give me a clear signal and the end of my service contract on my TiVos and I'm gone.

Except one of my TiVo's is lifetime. Crap. Well it will break someday in the next 20 years.:D

I wish I knew somebody down in native TW land who had a TiVo, I'd love to see if those "digital" channels you receive in the 2-99 area are actually 0X01. Under TW's theory of "protect anything digital" they would not be.
Actually, they are all 0x02 outside the locals (and even a few locals that I spotted last night are marked 0x02 for some reason which is a big no-no). Weather Channel and Discovery used to be copy freely in there but they are no 0x02 along with everything else. Yeah, it's terribly stupid. Need to get a boot up someone's arse at TWC.

I don't know if satellite has any home media offerings or if the new TiVo they have will even provide that (the old D-TiVo's did not). Any Satellite people around with a DVR? Does it have home media, in other words the ability to transfer to a computer? And if so can you do that with all channels?
I dunno tbh. Last I recall though with the original mpeg2 D-Tivo's that were just as easy to hack as the standalone series1 and series2 models you could copy just about everything over without any home media option whatsoever. But they were essentially clones of the standalone boxes with the DTV hardware added.

Though that says nothing about their 1st party DVRs or even when they decide to come out with the new Tivo boxes. My only guess is they naturally have everything locked down in that respect too. It's more down to the entertainment industry and the content providers on how much they want to put the screws down on the copy protection BS.

Though that says nothing about their 1st party DVRs or even when they decide to come out with the new Tivo boxes. My only guess is they naturally have everything locked down in that respect too. It's more down to the entertainment industry and the content providers on how much they want to put the screws down on the copy protection BS.

Mark Cuban came out and said he wanted HDnet and HDnet movies to be copy freely. We know that didn't happen at TW.

I guess I could have just as easily asked if anybody who has a TiVo with another cable company seems the same type of copy protection.

So you cannot copy freely on 2-99, huh? Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised but I am.

http://coreygilmore.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg

^^At this whole "copying" dialogue. Am I the only one who really doesn't give a crap? :confused:

I'm just disturbed by the fact there are no new channels listed for the end of June. What's going on? I remember that the man said they would be coming every month until the end of the year. Why stop now?

And since TW, in its infinite wisdom has decided to make all non local HD channels copy protected I can't move them from my DVR to my computer or the other DVR to make room. Thats what I'll bitch about.

Now I could still record these shows in analog still which takes up 1/2 the disk space of HD but who's going to do that? Whats so stupid about TW's decision is all these shows are not copy protected (in my area) since they are not digital.


Why do you thjink this is just a TW decision.the content producers are the one who choose to enforce copy privilages and it makes perfect sense if you were a content producer to prohibit digital copying of their material so they can get you to buy THEIR season 2 DVD box set of whatever.

if ya wanna bitch, bitch in the right direction

Why do you thjink this is just a TW decision.the content producers are the one who choose to enforce copy privilages and it makes perfect sense if you were a content producer to prohibit digital copying of their material so they can get you to buy THEIR season 2 DVD box set of whatever.

if ya wanna bitch, bitch in the right direction

I dunno who to actually blame though because a number of these channels have been open to copy for a while and only recently did they switch them. So is it TWC being a pain in the arse or the content providers catching up to them?

And there are other providers in certain areas that are copy freely all across the board except maybe some extreme cases like the movie channel premiums (HBO, Showtime, etc.).

Mark Cuban came out and said he wanted HDnet and HDnet movies to be copy freely. We know that didn't happen at TW.

I guess I could have just as easily asked if anybody who has a TiVo with another cable company seems the same type of copy protection.

So you cannot copy freely on 2-99, huh? Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised but I am.

Cuban can come out and say all he wants BUT if he isnt the content producer ( yes I know some of it he was) he really has no say in it.

I doubt TW or anyone else for that matter is going to have people standing by to change copy privilages for his produced shows and then switch back.

I dunno who to actually blame though because a number of these channels have been open to copy for a while and only recently did they switch them. So is it TWC being a pain in the arse or the content providers catching up to them?

And there are other providers in certain areas that are copy freely all across the board except maybe some extreme cases like the movie channel premiums (HBO, Showtime, etc.).

I would suspect you'll start to see that change as everyone tries to squeeze more blood from the rock.

<edit>I think the reasons have been because of uncertainity in the rules. look at the issues with blocking a majority of commercials on streaming audio. that happen becuae of issues with the actors unions demanding a piece of the pie for streaming the commercial ( like radio stations are making much of anything for their streaming feeds)

Why do you thjink this is just a TW decision.the content producers are the one who choose to enforce copy privilages and it makes perfect sense if you were a content producer to prohibit digital copying of their material so they can get you to buy THEIR season 2 DVD box set of whatever.

if ya wanna bitch, bitch in the right direction
You ought to do your home work bud. What channels get copy protected at the discretion of the cable provider. I've fought this months ago appealing to the President of Time Warner and I'm not talking Steve Fry. It is completely up to the cable company.

Now usually I will accept what somebody else might say like Vchat or Cathode Kid but I have thoroughly researched this. So don't come in here being disrespectful.

You ought to do your home work bud. What channels get copy protected at the discretion of the cable provider. I've fought this months ago appealing to the President of Time Warner and I'm not talking Steve Fry. It is completely up to the cable company.

Now usually I will accept what somebody else might say like Vchat or Cathode Kid but I have thoroughly researched this. So don't come in here being disrespectful.

copy protection is at the discresasion of the cable company?
source please...

copy protection is at the discresasion of the cable company?
source please...

You want the source? I just told you the source. I'm the source. I researched from FCC filings to CableLabs. The only thing it says is that it is entirely up to the cable companies as to what gets copy protection.

Now I can't tell you exactly where I went because I've known this for over 6 months so you do your own research. That's why I called the President's office to complain about their policy. All they told me was that is their policy and here's 20 bucks have a good day.

Now I want you to apply a little common sense here if you would be so kind. HBO, any of the premium services yes, they should be copy protected. But who really cares about copy protection on an old American Wrestling Association program. Nobody. Yet that gets copy protected. That is a result of policy, not the content provider.

All I can tell you in summary is I did my homework and I have no case. I do know who is responsible and it's Time Warner. Other cable companies do not carry the same policy. Did you not see where I said Mark Cuban wanted HDnet to be copy free, yet TW refused because of their "all digital 0x02" policy.

This wasn't always the case. This came about oh I say a year ago. Digital channels were 0x01 but TW changed all that over night. No mandate forced them to. It was done simply to cover their buts at the expense of people like me who spent a whole bunch of money so we could have equipment that would allow us to copy from our TiVos to our computers or to another TiVo. They simply didn't care.

Common sense. I can copy freely a baseball game on ESPN but I can't copy it on ESPNHD. If ESPN had something to say about it they wouldn't allow copy at all on ESPN. But if you can do it on analog, why the heck not on HD. And if you can do it on analog then why should TW natives be forced to not have the ability to use their equipment to transfer shows that are exactly the same except they have it in it's digital form.

No sir, this is strictly TW policy and there isn't a damn thing I can do about it.

Except bitch. And I'm done bitching tonight. You can feel free to see if I'm wrong, you spend months looking for a way around it. There is none. Up to the cable provider, bottom line.

And while I'm at it nickdawg, quit your complaining about copy protection there are apparently some others who do care. Just because you don't doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it. Now in the words of Mick Foley, who I can only copy on SPIKE TV analog, HAVE A NICE DAY!:D:p

Believe me hookbill. I'm on the same side as you on that rant. Just like your Tivo, me being able to transfer DVR'd recordings over firewire completely relies on those copy protection flags. Copy Never and Copy Once mean the incoming firewire signal is corrupted/encrypted (even though I still see ~15m/s on HD in VLC) and Copy Freely of course gives a working feed.

It's extremely frustrating as it is having so few channels open even really lowly channels at that. But TWC going all out and wiping out just about everything is just total nonsense and BS.

Especially when it comes to SD 480i channels. I mean, what's the deal? Especially with how compressed to sh*t they are.

I can just as easily get by their copy protection if I want using either a SD capture card via S-Video and lossless video or Hauppage's HD capture box. But it's more hassle than just letting the box do the work and just transfer the original format across as they feed it through the cable.

I will admit that I am just about clueless on this issue, but I'll offer my take on it. Whatever TWC is doing, there has to be a reason for it. I highly doubt this copy protection is a "OOPSIES, we forgot to press a button/flip a switch" kind of thing. Cable companies must be getting some heat from content providers/media companies. You mention that SD is compressed to death; look at You Tube. That is the very definition of compressed to death, yet we still hear about videos being pulled for "copyright reasons". They don't care whether or not the video is barely watchable, they still pull it. I've seen some music videos on YT where you can barely make out who is in it, but the content still gets the attention of the media companies.

My point is why get your panties in a wad over such a small, minor issue? If the program cannot be copied, don't copy it!! Whoopee. What possible reason for copying can there be? Oh wait; ARRRRGGH, matey!! :p

Which pisses me off when people pirate movies because then I have to sit through and unfast-forwardable commercial on DVDs I rent/buy comparing some puke computer hacker to a crook stealing DVDs from a store. Which is a bulls**t analogy think that the content should be unrestricted. Which then leads back to the movie companies being pissed and punishing us with ads, which makes me want all content protected..............................

Repeat the above a few dozen times before I throw my hands up in the air and say whatever. Life's too short to bicker about a non-issue.

Hook: just put that clown you argued with on the Ignore list. I won't even waste my time engaging them.

Anyway, back to a good topic. How about those new HD channels tomorrow?

I don't know whether your attribution of wanting to copy these shows to pirating was a joke or not but for the sake of argument lets say you were being serious for a second: There are TONS of reasons for wanting to copy it. Hookbill has a very damned good reason being that he can transfer them from a tivo in one room to one in another and watch it WHERE he wants. That's not pirating, that's just fair use.

Me? I have a little less use for such a thing that falls under "fair use", I will give you that. A lot of my use of it a couple weeks ago was taking a handful of music videos off Palladia and uploading them to YT in 720p (though YT and the labels are making money off these with their 'content ID' system and inserting relevant ads for the music labels and links to buy the music). But there are some cases of this use that is perfectly legit. Such as taking shows I want to watch and copy them to the laptop so I can watch them if I go out of town. I did this with Mythbusters for a couple episodes in HD as well as some L&O:SVU episodes.

Not everyone is out to screw the content providers intentionally. We just want to be given more fair use rights to the content rather than being treated like we're cold blooded murderers.

I also want to add that one major wtf I am seeing here is on my 8240HDC there are quite a lot of programs/channels where it will only let me set a reminder and not record. And I mean a LOT. And these are just standard broadcast channels.

Absolutely no idea what smart-alecs at TWC screwed up this time.

Hookbill has a very damned good reason being that he can transfer them from a tivo in one room to one in another and watch it WHERE he wants. That's not pirating, that's just fair use.

I think you should be able to watch DVR shows on another TV with a box. I wish TWC had that feature. But if TWC doesn't have that feature on their own boxes, I don't see why they should support it for a competitor's equipment. Just think how you would feel if you were running the company and you were losing $12 a month to people getting Tivos. ;)

Me? I have a little less use for such a thing that falls under "fair use", I will give you that. A lot of my use of it a couple weeks ago was taking a handful of music videos off Palladia and uploading them to YT in 720p (though YT and the labels are making money off these with their 'content ID' system and inserting relevant ads for the music labels and links to buy the music).

How long did they last before they were pulled? I know YT goes after videos that are not posted by "official" users like Universal and other companies.

But there are some cases of this use that is perfectly legit. Such as taking shows I want to watch and copy them to the laptop so I can watch them if I go out of town. I did this with Mythbusters for a couple episodes in HD as well as some L&O:SVU episodes.

Sounds like too much trouble. I just watch everything I record on TV. Besides, I got a big HDTV. I'm not about to give myself a downgrade like that. :rolleyes:

I also want to add that one major wtf I am seeing here is on my 8240HDC there are quite a lot of programs/channels where it will only let me set a reminder and not record. And I mean a LOT. And these are just standard broadcast channels.

Absolutely no idea what smart-alecs at TWC screwed up this time.

There are HD channels about to come very soon. Maybe something was messed up during that process?

And where are the next HD channels? I noticed that TWC is not listing the next batch of HD channels after June 15. What happened to "we're always adding new HD channels" and adding them all year?

I think you should be able to watch DVR shows on another TV with a box. I wish TWC had that feature. But if TWC doesn't have that feature on their own boxes, I don't see why they should support it for a competitor's equipment. Just think how you would feel if you were running the company and you were losing $12 a month to people getting Tivos. ;)
Wow. Elitist much? They aren't losing THAT much considering the cost of cablecards they are gouging people.

How long did they last before they were pulled? I know YT goes after videos that are not posted by "official" users like Universal and other companies.
Actually they are still there. If you read my post: They have gotten more smart and if their tools see it has copyrighted music in it, they'll attribute it to the proper copyright owners and add in ads and purchase links on the page. Rather than taking the old draconian routes.

Here is what I am talking about: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C68351B597550F3E

Sounds like too much trouble. I just watch everything I record on TV. Besides, I got a big HDTV. I'm not about to give myself a downgrade like that. :rolleyes:
Maybe some of us aren't couch potatoes and have places to be and stuff to do once in a while? What if I had a laptop with HDMI and a good HD set where I was going to? Would I be any less allowed to placeshift those recordings to watch them where I want?

I'm not gonna jump to total conclusions but that post made my 'Alphabet-soup-co-o-meter' tweak a little.

Wow. Elitist much? They aren't losing THAT much considering the cost of cablecards they are gouging people.

Nope. Not elitist. I hate paying the cable bill as much as the next guy, but I can understand that they want to make money.

Actually they are still there. If you read my post: They have gotten more smart and if their tools see it has copyrighted music in it, they'll attribute it to the proper copyright owners and add in ads and purchase links on the page. Rather than taking the old draconian routes.

Here is what I am talking about: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C68351B597550F3E

Good for You Tube!! It's about time they stop their ridiculous nonsense. I've seen/heard a few cases where they mute the sound on people's videos if they have 'copyright' music in them.

Also, in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJg7EtdKo-0&feature=PlayList&p=C68351B597550F3E&index=11) I see you have the same problem as I do(the picture broke up briefly at the beginning). Also, is YT stretching videos or is that how you uploaded it?

Maybe some of us aren't couch potatoes and have places to be and stuff to do once in a while? What if I had a laptop with HDMI and a good HD set where I was going to? Would I be any less allowed to placeshift those recordings to watch them where I want?

When I go out, I "go out", minus being tethered to modern electronic devices. I like to be outside for the sake of being outside, last thing I want is to bring the boob tube with me. I seem to be a minority in my generation when it comes to this. :(

Sounds alot like taking a detour between point A and B. If the shows are already on the DVR, why send them to the computer then back to the TV? I like keeping it simple. ;)

Nope. Not elitist. I hate paying the cable bill as much as the next guy, but I can understand that they want to make money.
*shrug* As far as I am concerned they are getting just about the same profits from Tivo/Cablecard customers after all the hidden bean-counter costs and fees are taken into account. Granted they have no chance of getting PPV/VOD purchases, but some people with their boxes don't even go those routes (VOD movies are a very rare thing these days in this household now that I have found out how to flawlessly play 1080p bluray's on my computer with a remote out to HDMI to the tv. Purchase the discs then download the rips and convert them to mpeg2 -sameq in ffmpeg. No loss.)

But this is all semantecs since I doubt this was the particular reason they did what they did with this copy protection business. If it was, it would raise quite a stink with a lot of different parties and put them in a legal/PR bind.



Good for You Tube!! It's about time they stop their ridiculous nonsense. I've seen/heard a few cases where they mute the sound on people's videos if they have 'copyright' music in them.I have heard of that too and had it happen on one of my older uploads. I think it only applied to stuff uploaded a long while ago rather than recent stuff.

Also, in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJg7EtdKo-0&feature=PlayList&p=C68351B597550F3E&index=11) I see you have the same problem as I do(the picture broke up briefly at the beginning). Also, is YT stretching videos or is that how you uploaded it? Just converted over to 720p keeping 16:9 and YT's player fills out as it is 16:9 already. That particular video I think had a narrower aspect. Like 2.35:1 or something.

When I go out, I "go out", minus being tethered to modern electronic devices. I like to be outside for the sake of being outside, last thing I want is to bring the boob tube with me. I seem to be a minority in my generation when it comes to this. :(

Sounds alot like taking a detour between point A and B. If the shows are already on the DVR, why send them to the computer then back to the TV? I like keeping it simple. ;)

Well in this particular case it was visiting my brother for a week in Columbus and having some last minute new episodes that recorded that I wanted to catch. Yeah, I could have waited til I got back or something. But I was gonna have the computer with me anyway so why not?

Just converted over to 720p keeping 16:9 and YT's player fills out as it is 16:9 already. That particular video I think had a narrower aspect. Like 2.35:1 or something.

I should probably also add a footnote that on playback on the box there are no such glitches whatsoever. Only after it is transferred over firewire. I have always attributed it to the cpu power and bogging down with Navigator on the box as the glitches improved slightly when the ODN v3 upgrade came in and SD 480i is nearly spotless.

Though hardware accel'd decoders like Nvidia's Purevideo software and GPU features and some software decoders like the one built into ffmpeg and other software based on the same opensource code handle the glitches much better. All those videos would probably be completely unwatchable otherwise.

Did anyone get the new channels yet? I just checked and I see nothing. I guess they're really using the "on of after" this time around!! ;)

Did anyone get the new channels yet? I just checked and I see nothing. I guess they're really using the "on of after" this time around!! ;)

I thought it was tomorrow..June 16

On now in N. Olmsted

Travel 454
Lifetime Movies 463
AMC 464
Speed 480
ESPNU 434
VS.HD 440

Wow, 51 total HD channels now.

My Tivo just got the updated guide data in Green but the channels don't work yet:

Added:
434 ESPNUHD
440 VSHD
454 TRAVHD
463 LMNHD
464 AMCHD
469 BIOHD
480 SPEEDHD
740 GAMEHD

Deleted:
469 PLDHD
480 HDMVDM


Are we losing Palladia?

After a reboot, the new channels are here. I'm happy that they decided to get rid of the VOD portal on 480 and replace it with Speed HD. I hope there's plans to get rid of the portal on 479 as well, since it slows down channel surfing.

No, I still have PALHD on 469. It must be a Tivo thing. ;) :rolleyes:

Also, I noticed they removed 436 and 437. I guess that 24/7 simulcast of FSN isn't coming anytime soon. :rolleyes: Now pressing either one of those channel numbers takes me to 438.

Nickdawg you will be happy to hear that TVs copy restriction really doesn't affect me as much as you think.

Its simply a matter of freedom to use my equipment to full capacity. But since TW cannot restrict local broadcast including HD and I do the vast majority of recording off the networks I'm still able to transfer from TiVo to TiVo or computer. And with my eSata drives having disk space is really not a problem.

I'm really surprised at your attitude towards copy restriction. You come off as saying " Well if I can't do it nobody should."

Like I said there is nothing I can do about it. I just have to think ahead as to where we watch things. Matter of fact I record quite a few things on Showtime and HBO and I agree that should be restricted.

Nickdawg you will be happy to hear that TVs copy restriction really doesn't affect me as much as you think.

Its simply a matter of freedom to use my equipment to full capacity. But since TW cannot restrict local broadcast including HD and I do the vast majority of recording off the networks I'm still able to transfer from TiVo to TiVo or computer. And with my eSata drives having disk space is really not a problem.

I'm really surprised at your attitude towards copy restriction. You come off as saying " Well if I can't do it nobody should."

Like I said there is nothing I can do about it. I just have to think ahead as to where we watch things. Matter of fact I record quite a few things on Showtime and HBO and I agree that should be restricted.

That's right. If TWC won't allow multi-room viewing for their customers with TWC equipment, why would you think I'd want TWC to support it for customers with other equipment?

That's right. If TWC won't allow multi-room viewing for their customers with TWC equipment, why would you think I'd want TWC to support it for customers with other equipment?

I hope you didn't miss my point. I can indeed not only transfer from DVR to DVR, I can also transfer to my computer any analog and all locals.

The reason you can't do it is because your DVR is not capable of doing it.

Its not that TW wants to restrict TiVo users. Its a matter of how they decided to cover there ass. I honestly don't think its a method of retaining their customers.

I want to remind you that most people are happy with the SA8300. Most people are like you except you are more knowledgeable about DVRs. TiVo is for people like me who want more then a very basic DVR. So copy restriction really doesn't affect the base customer. Unless someone can afford the initial cost they would not jump to a TiVo. And remember we have to pay for cable cards. So its not like they lose that much money on equipment rental.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Unless its purely selfish.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Unless its purely selfish.

This gets my vote.

After a reboot, the new channels are here. I'm happy that they decided to get rid of the VOD portal on 480 and replace it with Speed HD. I hope there's plans to get rid of the portal on 479 as well, since it slows down channel surfing.

No, I still have PALHD on 469. It must be a Tivo thing. ;) :rolleyes:

Yep Tribune Media blew it out its butt. I will call it in.

This gets my vote.

You sir, are correct.

What really gets me about the whole multi-room viewing thing is it IS possible. These SA boxes and the SARA software are capable of multi-room playback. But TWC chooses not to implement it. I've heard that it was beta tested in one or two markets and they had "problems" with it:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:. Yeah right. Like "problems" stopped it. How many other things has TWC released that are full of problems? There's gotta be some huge, underlying problem why they aren't using it, just like the SARA to Navigator conversion.

But in the mean time, I get to be taunted by the AT&T commercials about "watching shows on any TV in the house". I am the guy with the TV cart chained to my ankle! ;);) :rolleyes: :p:p

Hey nickdawg do you need a little slack? ;)

I basically use the transfer for conflicting shows on local network channels. Irs livable the way it is.

I don't really think you're selfish. Maybe a bit jealous.:)

Hey nickdawg do you need a little slack? ;)

I basically use the transfer for conflicting shows on local network channels. Irs livable the way it is.

I don't really think you're selfish. Maybe a bit jealous.:)

Hey, I criticize Tivo. But I never said I wasn't jealous of some Tivo features. :o:o:o:o:o

I think all of the internet/online features are stupid, but I do like the keyword search(instead of just title search) as well as the multi-room viewing. But the down side is you have to have another Tivo box. That means two $500 boxes plus $24 a month on service. And I have Three TVs. And I'd still have to pay the TWC bill.

NE Ohio Macedonia area, new channels are available and working. Sweet!

I know this isnt exactly on topic...

But I'm in cleveland...

Any experiance with a reputable Hiatachi service center?

Where who?

42hdt79 cycles on and of and on and off

My Tivo just got the updated guide data in Green but the channels don't work yet:

Added:
434 ESPNUHD
440 VSHD
454 TRAVHD
463 LMNHD
464 AMCHD
469 BIOHD
480 SPEEDHD
740 GAMEHD

Deleted:
469 PLDHD
480 HDMVDM


Are we losing Palladia?

Noticed 'em last night, NE Ohio, Lake County, Kirtland/Willoughby area; liking the Speed Channel HD

I know this isnt exactly on topic...

But I'm in cleveland...

Any experiance with a reputable Hiatachi service center?

Where who?

42hdt79 cycles on and of and on and off

First welcome to the forum and this thread. Yeah, it's really a HD TV topic but we don't mind drifting off from time to time.

I did a quick google to see what you were talking about. I noticed I saw 42hdt79 firmware was one of the topics. Perhaps there has been a firmware upgrade? You may want to google your model number and investigate.

Other then that I can't make any recommendations. If it isn't firmware the general rule of thumb these days is if it's broken, replace it. I know plasmas are expensive but who knows what the repair cost would be.

Good luck, if anybody else has a recommendation for Hitachi Service can you help this fellow?

As I promised I phoned in to TiVo about Tribune Medias error on 469 Palladia. I am once again asking other TiVo people to phone it in as well. Get a ticket number.

They seemed really confused as the channels just got changed but I told them what was on and confirmed via my 4250. I always think it's a good idea to have a few people call, seems to get things done faster.

It will take 10 minutes of your time. TiVo Customer Service is 877.367.8486. Just follow the instructions and select HD problems. They will do a little research while on your on the phone which is why it takes 10 minutes but the last time Ed called in with me we got a whole line up changed within a week. It's worth the time.

Besides Elvis Costello was on Palladia last night! Had I have known I would have recorded.:cool:

Edit: I keep TiVo customer service on my speed dial. It's easier then searching around on their web for it. Just a thought.

In regard to the new channels they all arrived fine at my house. Simply amazing. And the guide data was there on all equipment, didn't have to reboot or call TW for a hit to my cable cards. The only snag was the Palladia channel and that's Tribune Medias fault.

I have to say I'm pretty impressed by SDV and by how many HD channels TW has added on in such a short time. I haven't had any problems with SDV to the best of my knowledge. I've had some pixelation and sound drop offs on my MLB Extra Innings channels that may, and I emphasize the word "may" be a result of SDV but I saw that happening before SDV was implemented in my area so I'm not certain.

As far as I'm concerned if TW doesn't add anymore HD channels for a while I'm OK with it, out of the last batch I don't see myself watching any of them.

One last thing. Everybody missed one HD channel. Channel 740 MLB Extra Innings HD is here! Now I'm getting what I paid for with my package.

Anyone hear any news about when SDV is coming to the Elyria/Mentor area? (old Comcast) We must be last on the list. I called the SDV hotline to get my tuning adapter. It's all hooked up and ready to go, but so far, no joy.

Ben Music

Anyone hear any news about when SDV is coming to the Elyria/Mentor area? (old Comcast) We must be last on the list. I called the SDV hotline to get my tuning adapter. It's all hooked up and ready to go, but so far, no joy.

Ben Music

Ben I believe I heard everything is suppose to be completed by end of June. Cathode Kid may have some info for you if he checks in, he seems to be the best source.

Anyone hear any news about when SDV is coming to the Elyria/Mentor area? (old Comcast) We must be last on the list. I called the SDV hotline to get my tuning adapter. It's all hooked up and ready to go, but so far, no joy.

Ben Music

If the Motorola boxes are in fact incompatible with SDV I would have expected to have heard about a change-out program for Motorola boxes to SA boxes by now. I will not be holding my breath until the new channels and SDV arrives in old Comcast area.

Ray

If the Motorola boxes are in fact incompatible with SDV I would have expected to have heard about a change-out program for Motorola boxes to SA boxes by now. I will not be holding my breath until the new channels and SDV arrives in old Comcast area.

Ray

I know that Comcast uses SDV. It may be that they can't get the system to work with those moto boxes.

In any case it's unfair. Now that's not to say I think they should take away the HD channels from us, it should be that they give you a price break since you're not getting full service.

This is exactly the kind of thing that Mr. Jassoe said they didn't want to happen, but they let it happen anyway.

Edit: Can you guys get the On Demand features with those Moto boxes?

I know that Comcast uses SDV. It may be that they can't get the system to work with those moto boxes.

In any case it's unfair. Now that's not to say I think they should take away the HD channels from us, it should be that they give you a price break since you're not getting full service.

This is exactly the kind of thing that Mr. Jassoe said they didn't want to happen, but they let it happen anyway.

Edit: Can you guys get the On Demand features with those Moto boxes?

No On Demand on the Moto boxes.

Ben Music

No On Demand on the Moto boxes.

Ben Music

Wow, talk about being treated as second class citizens! Guess either you're stuck or you don't want Satellite. Do they offer AT&T Uverse? I'll bet that's all Windstream like it is down here.

Edit: Can you guys get the On Demand features with those Moto boxes?


Ben and I seem to be on different old Comcast systems. I CAN get On-Demand with my Motorola box.

Ray

As I promised I phoned in to TiVo about Tribune Medias error on 469 Palladia. I am once again asking other TiVo people to phone it in as well. Get a ticket number.

They will do a little research while on your on the phone which is why it takes 10 minutes but the last time Ed called in with me we got a whole line up changed within a week. It's worth the time.


Yes I called too. This is not normal for TiVo/Tribune is it? Maybe it's because of the quantity of new channels in the past few months? I thought they were usually on the ball about updating the guide.

Yes I called too. This is not normal for TiVo/Tribune is it? Maybe it's because of the quantity of new channels in the past few months? I thought they were usually on the ball about updating the guide.

They have done pretty good, better then last year but overall I think Tribune Media sucks. I'm surprised TiVo hasn't fired them. I could tell you horror stories some people have had trying to get guide data fixed. We've been lucky.

Ben and I seem to be on different old Comcast systems. I CAN get On-Demand with my Motorola box.

Ray

Hi Ray,

I'm out here in North Ridgeville which was part of the old Comcast Elyria/Mentor system. We haven't had any of the in or on demand channels for over 3+ years. Actually they show up in the guide, but when you click on one, nothing happens. Does your area have SDV yet? We are still waiting.

Ben Music

As I promised I phoned in to TiVo about Tribune Medias error on 469 Palladia. I am once again asking other TiVo people to phone it in as well. Get a ticket number.

They seemed really confused as the channels just got changed but I told them what was on and confirmed via my 4250. I always think it's a good idea to have a few people call, seems to get things done faster.

It will take 10 minutes of your time. TiVo Customer Service is 877.367.8486. Just follow the instructions and select HD problems. They will do a little research while on your on the phone which is why it takes 10 minutes but the last time Ed called in with me we got a whole line up changed within a week. It's worth the time.

Besides Elvis Costello was on Palladia last night! Had I have known I would have recorded.:cool:

Edit: I keep TiVo customer service on my speed dial. It's easier then searching around on their web for it. Just a thought.

Now, I'm not so jealous of Tivo anymore. ;)

I'm getting the new channels, but I'm still getting Palladia on 469 even though my Guide info shows BioHD.

I'm also not getting MAVHD, SMITHHD or MGMHD. Just a grey screen.

I'm getting the new channels, but I'm still getting Palladia on 469 even though my Guide info shows BioHD.

I'm also not getting MAVHD, SMITHHD or MGMHD. Just a grey screen.

MAVHD and the others are an additional charge. And BIOHD is an error.

I requested TiVo people to call TiVo customer service to report it. We are suppose to have Palladia. Please look back a few post I provided Tivo number to report the guide error.

Ok, that's what I suspected. I never cared enough to see if they were included in my programming.

this comes from ohio media watch, there will be more hd

Our sources at TWC say there are still more channels scheduled to be added between now and the end of the year, and we should learn more about the post-June list soon...

this comes from ohio media watch, there will be more hd

Our sources at TWC say there are still more channels scheduled to be added between now and the end of the year, and we should learn more about the post-June list soon...

There was a lot more to that then just what lewis1982 posted here. This is one of the reason I always think that it's a good idea to post a link to the page you are referring to.

Also on that page is some mention about the SDV transition still not being completed. Apparently Elyria and Mentor are still not even on the drawing board, at least thats what I came away from reading it. You can look (http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/) here yourself.

Also of mention an OTA issue that was talked about when we were one so to speak. The fact that FOX 8 has been unobtainable over so much of the area. The link starts off with that story. Apparently WJW isn't putting out the power that we all thought they were. Interesting reading take a look if you have an opportunity.

Have a good day gentlemen. You too, nickdawg.:D:p

Hi Ray,

I'm out here in North Ridgeville which was part of the old Comcast Elyria/Mentor system. We haven't had any of the in or on demand channels for over 3+ years. Actually they show up in the guide, but when you click on one, nothing happens. Does your area have SDV yet? We are still waiting.

Ben Music

I'm in Mentor. My OnDemand works fine. There have been occasions when the system would not let me view something but after a few minutes it would work. I usually only look at free stuff but last New Years Eve we had a few friends over for the evening and we wanted to watch Batman The Dark Knight. When I went to order it, it would not work. I called and they had a recorded message that they were working on the problem. After 30 minutes I tried again and it worked fine.

I dont think I have SDV yet. I looked at that link posted a few weeks back to find your "headend" and it showed no SDV. I have a Moto box HD DVR and a HD SA4250. I do not have any of the new channels in the last two updates. The last batch I recieved was the USA, History, DHD, DiscoverHD, PalHD.

I think we just need to be patient and place bets on weather Elyria or Mentor gets SDV and the new channels first. Since Mentor has OnDemand working I bet Mentor gets it before Elyria. Hopefully they turn us bothe on together and soon.

Ray

I'm in Mentor. My OnDemand works fine. There have been occasions when the system would not let me view something but after a few minutes it would work. I usually only look at free stuff but last New Years Eve we had a few friends over for the evening and we wanted to watch Batman The Dark Knight. When I went to order it, it would not work. I called and they had a recorded message that they were working on the problem. After 30 minutes I tried again and it worked fine.

I dont think I have SDV yet. I looked at that link posted a few weeks back to find your "headend" and it showed no SDV. I have a Moto box HD DVR and a HD SA4250. I do not have any of the new channels in the last two updates. The last batch I recieved was the USA, History, DHD, DiscoverHD, PalHD.

I think we just need to be patient and place bets on weather Elyria or Mentor gets SDV and the new channels first. Since Mentor has OnDemand working I bet Mentor gets it before Elyria. Hopefully they turn us bothe on together and soon.

Ray

Here in Amherst we are in the same situation as you are. Our on demand works, but slowly and no SDV. I talk to a Time Warner employee a couple of weeks ago that they had to switch out all the Moto boxes with SA's. He said they hoping for the end of June, knowing Time Warner I suspect more like the end of July.

Here in Amherst we are in the same situation as you are. Our on demand works, but slowly and no SDV. I talk to a Time Warner employee a couple of weeks ago that they had to switch out all the Moto boxes with SA's. He said they hoping for the end of June, knowing Time Warner I suspect more like the end of July.

This is the first time I heard that they indeed have to switch out the boxes. I always suspected as much.

I don't think they can pull that off by the end of June either, but who knows?

Here in Amherst we are in the same situation as you are. Our on demand works, but slowly and no SDV. I talk to a Time Warner employee a couple of weeks ago that they had to switch out all the Moto boxes with SA's. He said they hoping for the end of June, knowing Time Warner I suspect more like the end of July.

As I mentiond on one of my earlier post, If in fact they need to replace Moto Boxes I would think we would have gotten some sort of notice or letter about the indent to do so. This will take weeks if they expect to "truck roll" the change out. The next weekday I'm off work I will swap mine out myself. I have been having some problems with the controls being unresponsive at times.

Ray

This is the first time I heard that they indeed have to switch out the boxes. I always suspected as much.

I don't think they can pull that off by the end of June either, but who knows?

You would have thought that it would just as cheap for Time Warner to give all the people who have analog only, boxes for digital, do away with analog and not do the SDV. With all that bandwidth we could still have all the HD channels we wanted.
My son has it that way in Washington DC with his cable company, not Time Warner, and he has the same Moto box that we have here and he has more HD channels that we ever will have.

You would have thought that it would just as cheap for Time Warner to give all the people who have analog only, boxes for digital, do away with analog and not do the SDV. With all that bandwidth we could still have all the HD channels we wanted.
My son has it that way in Washington DC with his cable company, not Time Warner, and he has the same Moto box that we have here and he has more HD channels that we ever will have.

Yes, we have talked about that. Only problem I can see is with basic cable. Can they limit those boxes to just receiving basic lifeline cable? If not they would charge for digital service and expanded basic. That I believe is probably where the problem lies.

One other thing I kind of doubt they will do a truck roll switch out. I'm willing to bet they FEDEX the boxes to you and have you either ship them back at their cost or bring them in. It's cheaper for them to do it that way.

Yes, we have talked about that. Only problem I can see is with basic cable. Can they limit those boxes to just receiving basic lifeline cable? If not they would charge for digital service and expanded basic. That I believe is probably where the problem lies.

One other thing I kind of doubt they will do a truck roll switch out. I'm willing to bet they FEDEX the boxes to you and have you either ship them back at their cost or bring them in. It's cheaper for them to do it that way.


That makes sence. I never considered a delivery swap out. After the dissapointing ernings Fed Ex released this morning they will probably appreciate the extra work.

Ray

I've been having sporadic cable outages over the last hour or so, there's heavy thunderstorms. So the TV finally came back on. I was on channel 3, standard definition. I see there is a banner at the bottom of the screen about a Tornado Warning for Tuscarawas. When I flipped over to WKYC HD, there's nothing. No banner at the bottom of the screen. WTF? It looks like WKYC is still sending their old analog OTA channel to TWC as a fiber feed. Why? How pointless is that to send the analog version to TWC and only have the Tornado Warning banner on the analog channel? Anybody else without cable won't be able to see it. Since OTA viewers are using the HDTV channel, they're missing the warning. Only cable/satellite viewers with fiber feeds can see it. Also, I checked the analog "nightlight" channel, and it has the same weather map as the SD version on cable.

I've been having sporadic cable outages over the last hour or so, there's heavy thunderstorms. So the TV finally came back on. I was on channel 3, standard definition. I see there is a banner at the bottom of the screen about a Tornado Warning for Tuscarawas. When I flipped over to WKYC HD, there's nothing. No banner at the bottom of the screen. WTF? It looks like WKYC is still sending their old analog OTA channel to TWC as a fiber feed. Why? How pointless is that to send the analog version to TWC and only have the Tornado Warning banner on the analog channel? Anybody else without cable won't be able to see it. Since OTA viewers are using the HDTV channel, they're missing the warning. Only cable/satellite viewers with fiber feeds can see it. Also, I checked the analog "nightlight" channel, and it has the same weather map as the SD version on cable.

Hell, I could have told you that. There's no doubt that what they give us on all those channels is analog upgraded to digital. I mean have you ever seen a digital picture as bad as the ones on WOIO, and yeah I know don't get you started on them but I think that's the trick.

They send all this crap directly to TW via cable feed and upgrade it to digital. I've never seen your non locals but I'll bet they are upgraded to digital too. You ought to see what FX looks like in analog, it looks like a zebra theres so many stripes in it. I can't wait until I get to my HD recordings of Rescue Me.

I'm starting to rant now so I'll stop.

Hell, I could have told you that. There's no doubt that what they give us on all those channels is analog upgraded to digital. I mean have you ever seen a digital picture as bad as the ones on WOIO, and yeah I know don't get you started on them but I think that's the trick.

You see Hookbill, since all my channels are digital, the locals have never looked better, except for WKYC. Since every other channel is using a digital/HD downconversion for SD, the picture has never looked better on WOIO, WJW, WBNX, WVIZ, WNEO, WEWS, etc. But WKYC still looks like crap. I couldn't figure it out, but now I know why. WKYC is still sending their ANALOG signal to TWC. Since every other channel is DIGITAL downconverted to ANALOG, it looks better. But WKYC is still an analog source, so it looks terrible.

Since TWC is now using digital sources to feed SD cable, I can't believe they didn't re-encode the SDTV local channels in digital for areas that don't have them yet. I've never seen SD PQ look better. It is the perfect storm of using digital sources as well as the elimination of analog SD channels 3, 5 and 8 that could cause interference.

I knew something was up at WKYC, since I watch Today in the morning on my SDTV in the bedroom and there is no time/temperature bug. But I can see it on WKYC HD on my living room flatscreen. Every other channel downconverts HD for SD. All the bugs/weather warnings are present on the SD channel as well. Plus the picture is better. This really bugs me that they are still using a crappy picture.

They send all this crap directly to TW via cable feed and upgrade it to digital. I've never seen your non locals but I'll bet they are upgraded to digital too. You ought to see what FX looks like in analog, it looks like a zebra theres so many stripes in it. I can't wait until I get to my HD recordings of Rescue Me.

I'm starting to rant now so I'll stop.

I have a TV without a box in an extra bedroom. I've noticed all the channels around F/X have stripes on them. Every channel looks bad, but some like F/X look even worse. I can't even imagine how awful that looks.

How many analog episodes do you still have? If I were you, I would delete those analog episodes and use the "wife's" TV to watch HD On Demand. The episodes are there in HD.

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You see Hookbill, since all my channels are digital, the locals have never looked better, except for WKYC. Since every other channel is using a digital/HD downconversion for SD, the picture has never looked better on WOIO, WJW, WBNX, WVIZ, WNEO, WEWS, etc. But WKYC still looks like crap. I couldn't figure it out, but now I know why. WKYC is still sending their ANALOG signal to TWC. Since every other channel is DIGITAL downconverted to ANALOG, it looks better. But WKYC is still an analog source, so it looks terrible.

Since TWC is now using digital sources to feed SD cable, I can't believe they didn't re-encode the SDTV local channels in digital for areas that don't have them yet. I've never seen SD PQ look better. It is the perfect storm of using digital sources as well as the elimination of analog SD channels 3, 5 and 8 that could cause interference.

I knew something was up at WKYC, since I watch Today in the morning on my SDTV in the bedroom and there is no time/temperature bug. But I can see it on WKYC HD on my living room flatscreen. Every other channel downconverts HD for SD. All the bugs/weather warnings are present on the SD channel as well. Plus the picture is better. This really bugs me that they are still using a crappy picture.

Well then maybe the other non-legacy systems get a different digital SD feed, because I can tell you that the local SD's still look like crap on the legacy systems. I can clearly tell that they are analog signals that are digitally converted. WOIO, WNEO, WUAB, and WKYC all look like garbage still. I wish they would just down convert the HD feeds.

Well then maybe the other non-legacy systems get a different digital SD feed, because I can tell you that the local SD's still look like crap on the legacy systems. I can clearly tell that they are analog signals that are digitally converted. WOIO, WNEO, WUAB, and WKYC all look like garbage still. I wish they would just down convert the HD feeds.

I agree with what you said but you kind of lost me on that last sentence. Why would you want to downgrade HD feeds?

To the best of my knowledge and from my own personal trials TW passes on the HD signal without any compression, at least thats true with OTA channels.

I use a program that actually measures the quality of signals and in a nutshell best is WEWS, worst is kind of a tie between WJW and WKYC. Our cable HD channels all show pretty much outstanding quality, even the SDV ones.

So why downgrade HD?

I see that others were/are having issues with the new HD channels and getting 'Channel Unavilable' messages, but is everyone still getting this problem every single day even after rebooting the box multiple times? I have 3 TWC boxes and all have this problem every day. It seems it's just with the new HD channels that were added over the last 4 weeks. Some will be unavilable one minute and then if I scroll to a few good HD channels and then scroll back, they will sometimes tune in properly and sometimes not. Then all of a sudden randomly they all come in fine again. Then they might be unavailable again 20 minutes later...not good at all. Is this standard fare at this point or should I have them come out to take a look? I called TWC and their CSR's told me that they haven't heard of this issue and the only way to fix it would be to have someone come out to investigate.

With my luck, they'd come out and all the channels would be working at that moment. I'm sure that's what will happen!

I agree with what you said but you kind of lost me on that last sentence. Why would you want to downgrade HD feeds?

To the best of my knowledge and from my own personal trials TW passes on the HD signal without any compression, at least thats true with OTA channels.

I use a program that actually measures the quality of signals and in a nutshell best is WEWS, worst is kind of a tie between WJW and WKYC. Our cable HD channels all show pretty much outstanding quality, even the SDV ones.

So why downgrade HD?

Sorry I may not have made it clear...

I was referring to downconverting the HD feeds for use on the SD channels (which look like crap).

...The HD feeds are compressed enough already!

You see Hookbill, since all my channels are digital, the locals have never looked better, except for WKYC. Since every other channel is using a digital/HD downconversion for SD, the picture has never looked better on WOIO, WJW, WBNX, WVIZ, WNEO, WEWS, etc. But WKYC still looks like crap. I couldn't figure it out, but now I know why. WKYC is still sending their ANALOG signal to TWC. Since every other channel is DIGITAL downconverted to ANALOG, it looks better. But WKYC is still an analog source, so it looks terrible.

Since TWC is now using digital sources to feed SD cable, I can't believe they didn't re-encode the SDTV local channels in digital for areas that don't have them yet. I've never seen SD PQ look better. It is the perfect storm of using digital sources as well as the elimination of analog SD channels 3, 5 and 8 that could cause interference.

I knew something was up at WKYC, since I watch Today in the morning on my SDTV in the bedroom and there is no time/temperature bug. But I can see it on WKYC HD on my living room flatscreen. Every other channel downconverts HD for SD. All the bugs/weather warnings are present on the SD channel as well. Plus the picture is better. This really bugs me that they are still using a crappy picture.



I have a TV without a box in an extra bedroom. I've noticed all the channels around F/X have stripes on them. Every channel looks bad, but some like F/X look even worse. I can't even imagine how awful that looks.

How many analog episodes do you still have? If I were you, I would delete those analog episodes and use the "wife's" TV to watch HD On Demand. The episodes are there in HD.

Nick, what system are you on? Legacy or non-legacy? Because I am in a legacy area and although my SD locals are technically "digital", they still don't look as good as most of the cable channels, and look like the crappy old analog signal just ''digitized''. I'll give an exception for WJW, which does look like the true digital feed...

Nick, what system are you on? Legacy or non-legacy? Because I am in a legacy area and although my SD locals are technically "digital", they still don't look as good as most of the cable channels, and look like the crappy old analog signal just ''digitized''. I'll give an exception for WJW, which does look like the true digital feed...

I'm on legacy TWC. Maybe it is an area by area thing(I see you are near Kent, I'm in Akron), but I've noticed that the picture is better. Not fantastic, but better(which I'll have to take as a win with TWC!). WOIO SD digital used to look terrible. It was dark looking and blurry. Now, it looks much better than how it was. WVIZ used to look fuzzy even though it is 'digital', but now that one looks clear as well. Of course watching a SDTV show on WJW SD digital still doesn't look as good as watching the same SDTV show on WJW HD, but at least the SD channels are not godawful and hideous.

The SD channels are being fed from HDTV channels. What happens to them before they reach out TV sets is anyone's guess. I remember Hookbill thinking they convert (HD) digital to analog and back to digital. Sounds like some logic defying act of insanity TWC would do. ;)

The one thing I do know is WKYC is the worst of the worst. It looks fuzzy and blurry, plus as I mentioned earlier it lacks the time/temperature bug on the Today show.

One thing I did notice is that the graphic appearances on "3" on TWC is tied to graphic appearance on analog nightlight channel 3. When 3 had the weather map on screen, the same map was on the nightlight channel. When the news was on with a bottom of screen banner about the tornado warnings, the map was removed and it was also missing from the nightlight channel. I'm hoping once they shut off the analog nightlight channel they'll finally migrate over to all digital broadcasting.

...I was on channel 3, standard definition. I see there is a banner at the bottom of the screen about a Tornado Warning for Tuscarawas. When I flipped over to WKYC HD, there's nothing. No banner at the bottom of the screen. WTF? It looks like WKYC is still sending their old analog OTA channel to TWC as a fiber feed. Why? How pointless is that to send the analog version to TWC and only have the Tornado Warning banner on the analog channel?

This was a glitch at WKYC and they corrected it in time for subsequent newscasts.

I'm on legacy TWC. Maybe it is an area by area thing(I see you are near Kent, I'm in Akron), but I've noticed that the picture is better. Not fantastic, but better(which I'll have to take as a win with TWC!). WOIO SD digital used to look terrible. It was dark looking and blurry. Now, it looks much better than how it was. WVIZ used to look fuzzy even though it is 'digital', but now that one looks clear as well. Of course watching a SDTV show on WJW SD digital still doesn't look as good as watching the same SDTV show on WJW HD, but at least the SD channels are not godawful and hideous.

The SD channels are being fed from HDTV channels. What happens to them before they reach out TV sets is anyone's guess. I remember Hookbill thinking they convert (HD) digital to analog and back to digital. Sounds like some logic defying act of insanity TWC would do. ;)

The one thing I do know is WKYC is the worst of the worst. It looks fuzzy and blurry, plus as I mentioned earlier it lacks the time/temperature bug on the Today show.

One thing I did notice is that the graphic appearances on "3" on TWC is tied to graphic appearance on analog nightlight channel 3. When 3 had the weather map on screen, the same map was on the nightlight channel. When the news was on with a bottom of screen banner about the tornado warnings, the map was removed and it was also missing from the nightlight channel. I'm hoping once they shut off the analog nightlight channel they'll finally migrate over to all digital broadcasting.

Do you have any analog sets at your house? Have you seen any improvement in PQ (local analog SD channels)? Assuming you even have any analog sets in your house...

This was a glitch at WKYC and they corrected it in time for subsequent newscasts.

I noticed that at 7. They had a different looking banner on the HD newscast. But they still haven't fixed the fact they're still using the crappie analog feed on TWC. :(

Do you have any analog sets at your house? Have you seen any improvement in PQ (local analog SD channels)? Assuming you even have any analog sets in your house...

I have a set connected without a box. All the channels still look the same: like crap. I haven't noticed any difference in the cable channels, but OTA wouldn't affect those since a channel like 55 cable wouldn't be affected by OTA 55. The locals do look better, since the source is digital. WKYC still looks bad like it used to though.

I see that others were/are having issues with the new HD channels and getting 'Channel Unavilable' messages, but is everyone still getting this problem every single day even after rebooting the box multiple times? I have 3 TWC boxes and all have this problem every day. It seems it's just with the new HD channels that were added over the last 4 weeks. Some will be unavilable one minute and then if I scroll to a few good HD channels and then scroll back, they will sometimes tune in properly and sometimes not. Then all of a sudden randomly they all come in fine again. Then they might be unavailable again 20 minutes later...not good at all. Is this standard fare at this point or should I have them come out to take a look? I called TWC and their CSR's told me that they haven't heard of this issue and the only way to fix it would be to have someone come out to investigate.

With my luck, they'd come out and all the channels would be working at that moment. I'm sure that's what will happen!

I don't know if anybody responded to you or not but I have seen what you describe happen once since SDV started on 5/27.

It could very well be you're having a signal issue. I'd let them do a truck roll.

Going back to the copy protection garbage for a second I went through and extensively looked at the channels here and what 5C flags they had (while they are perfectly capable of doing it per-program, I doubt TWC would bother and the only other option is if the flags came from further upstream at the content providers).

All the HD Locals seem to come in copy freely: WKYC-403, WOIO-404, WEWS-405, WJW-408, WNEO-410, WFMJ-421, WYTV-422, WYFX-423, and WKBN-424

SD locals are odd though. 2-WNEO, 3-WKYC, 5-WEWS, 8-WJW, 10-WYFX, 11-WOIO are all copy freely. 4-WFMJ, 6-WKBN, and 7-WYTV are copy once.

Outside of the locals the only network channels set copy freely that I see here are 12-TV Guide, 18-Shop NBC, 75-Jewelry TV, 99-TV Guide (dupe of 12), 317-Speed, 357-CNNI, 373-myYTV, and 391-TBN . All the rest are copy once.

:confused: As I always say, TWCNEO has monkeys running the works. Nothing at all makes sense.

Going back to the copy protection garbage for a second I went through and extensively looked at the channels here and what 5C flags they had (while they are perfectly capable of doing it per-program, I doubt TWC would bother and the only other option is if the flags came from further upstream at the content providers).

All the HD Locals seem to come in copy freely: WKYC-403, WOIO-404, WEWS-405, WJW-408, WNEO-410, WFMJ-421, WYTV-422, WYFX-423, and WKBN-424

SD locals are odd though. 2-WNEO, 3-WKYC, 5-WEWS, 8-WJW, 10-WYFX, 11-WOIO are all copy freely. 4-WFMJ, 6-WKBN, and 7-WYTV are copy once.

Outside of the locals the only network channels set copy freely that I see here are 12-TV Guide, 18-Shop NBC, 75-Jewelry TV, 99-TV Guide (dupe of 12), 317-Speed, 357-CNNI, 373-myYTV, and 391-TBN . All the rest are copy once.

:confused: As I always say, TWCNEO has monkeys running the works. Nothing at all makes sense.

Well, leagally they are not suppose to copy protect locals so if they are doing that to you I'd contact them and let them know. I think that's an error.

It wouldn't be the first time. Remember the old Mojo? They had that set to copy NEVER and I called and had them fix that situation. Don't remember who I talked to, however, may have been my contact.

Of course here in ExAdelphia land where it is all analog all the time we don't have that issue.:rolleyes:

Had a problem with the tuner adapter. Called regular customer service and they didn't hesitate, sent me right through to the cable card hot line. Had I'd of known they were going to do that I would have called myself.:)

Long story short they sent a hit out and fixed it, but it is the second time I've had a problem one on each tuner adapter. I have the feeling it won't be the last time. He said after we fixed it that the way it came back it looked like it was bricked some how.:eek: Said maybe they did an update but I said well why wouldn't the other tuner adapter have bricked? No explanation of course and quite honestly I didn't care.

Interesting that I've had problems twice now. From what I see on the two TiVo threads it's not a common problem with the tuner adapter, yet then again they all don't have TWNEO do they?:rolleyes:;)

I don't know if anybody responded to you or not but I have seen what you describe happen once since SDV started on 5/27.

It could very well be you're having a signal issue. I'd let them do a truck roll.


thanks for the reply Hook. I'll have them come out and poke around. I suspect though it's more than just an issue with my signal because I have a buddy who lives in Media who has the same exact issue as well as another family that lives on my street too. I fear this might turn into a long drawn out issue that'll involve replacing all my boxes for no reason and being frustrated with no love from TWC. I guess we'll see...calling them now.

thanks for the reply Hook. I'll have them come out and poke around. I suspect though it's more than just an issue with my signal because I have a buddy who lives in Media who has the same exact issue as well as another family that lives on my street too. I fear this might turn into a long drawn out issue that'll involve replacing all my boxes for no reason and being frustrated with no love from TWC. I guess we'll see...calling them now.

I think nickdawg has referred to this issue several times as well. It seems to be an area thing.

As you can see from my previous post I have my own issues with SDV and their tuner adapter, but when it works which is most of the time it works well.

hmmmm I was sitting there watching Palladia when my little green light started blinking. Apparently this isn't the equipment causing this, it's just SDV FAIL! It came back on it's own which leads me to think there very well may be a problem with SDV.

Not to mention the fact that the concert I was watching was full of pixelation and sound drop offs. I think you ought to get that SDV FAIL thing going again nickdawg.

Edit: I just got a call from TW apparently the reason my box started blinking again was because my contact sent me out another hit. But that still doesn't explain all the pixelation and drop offs I got from Palladia today.

hmmmm I was sitting there watching Palladia when my little green light started blinking. Apparently this isn't the equipment causing this, it's just SDV FAIL! It came back on it's own which leads me to think there very well may be a problem with SDV.

Not to mention the fact that the concert I was watching was full of pixelation and sound drop offs. I think you ought to get that SDV FAIL thing going again nickdawg.

Edit: I just got a call from TW apparently the reason my box started blinking again was because my contact sent me out another hit. But that still doesn't explain all the pixelation and drop offs I got from Palladia today.

Welcome to the Wonderful World Of SDV!! :p I've had issues like that. Currently, some channels will have picture break up and no sound every hour or so. It seems to be a regular thing. I doubt it is your equipment.

hmmmm I was sitting there watching Palladia when my little green light started blinking. Apparently this isn't the equipment causing this, it's just SDV FAIL! It came back on it's own which leads me to think there very well may be a problem with SDV.

Not to mention the fact that the concert I was watching was full of pixelation and sound drop offs. I think you ought to get that SDV FAIL thing going again nickdawg.

Edit: I just got a call from TW apparently the reason my box started blinking again was because my contact sent me out another hit. But that still doesn't explain all the pixelation and drop offs I got from Palladia today.

Yes woke up to the dreaded green blinking light on the TA this morning. Trying to reboot it myself. I'm dreading calling a TW tech. Want to avoid that if I can...:rolleyes:

Yes woke up to the dreaded green blinking light on the TA this morning. Trying to reboot it myself. I'm dreading calling a TW tech. Want to avoid that if I can...:rolleyes:

No way should you have to call a tech. Just call customer service and tell them you have a TiVo and a tuner adapter and asked to be transfered to their cable card assistance department. They should be able to fix it for you.

One thing I've learned Ed is DO NOT play with that thing when you have the blinking light. You will just brick it. Watch the blinking light if it's doing 8 blinks and a pause then you need to call but if it's just plain blinking and not pausing wait it out, it should come back around.

I think it's doing that when TW's SDV goes down, which from what I read here seems to happen a great deal.

I think your problems are because SDV is "down". That seems to happen quite a bit, I hope it is because SDV is new and it won't a regular thing. The Tivo and the extra box connected to it must make things even worse.

SDV goes down more than a cheap hooker. ;)

I never met a cable company I've liked. TW is no exception.

Can a week go by - no make that a day, when they don't cause me a problem? This time its the internet. Went out for about 45 minutes today and right after I called in and found out I couldn't get anybody out until Tuesday the Internet came back up. So it works until around 8:00 tonight then out it goes again. I'm on hold on my cell for 20 minutes when I get a rep who says now they can't get anybody out until Wednesday! WTF we use the internet for business not just pleasure.

Just about 4 weeks ago they brought a new modem out. I got worried as soon as I saw Scientific Atlanta on it. Considering that we just got new cable dropped in and tv is working what else can it be?

In all the time I had Adelphia I never had a cable problem. Since having Roadrunner nothing but problems. And since I have VoiP I ha e just my cell phone. Fortunately Vonage will forward calls but what a pia.

Hopefully its the modem but I will still have them out on Wednesday one way or another.

i don't know if it is your modem, i went to walmart and bought another modem a few months ago and the internet is still bad ever since they switched me from adelphia to roardunner

i don't know if it is your modem, i went to walmart and bought another modem a few months ago and the internet is still bad ever since they switched me from adelphia to roardunner

You bought a modem? I didn't know you could even do that. I thought you had to use cable company equipment.

Interesting because that's what my wife wanted to do. I agree either the modem goes or it doesn't, but if you don't mind my asking how much did you pay for that? And what did you do just phone in the Mac number? Last question is why did you buy one when you can just pop over to TW and pick one up for free?

You bought a modem? I didn't know you could even do that. I thought you had to use cable company equipment.

Interesting because that's what my wife wanted to do. I agree either the modem goes or it doesn't, but if you don't mind my asking how much did you pay for that? And what did you do just phone in the Mac number? Last question is why did you buy one when you can just pop over to TW and pick one up for free?

Yeah, why the hell would anyone choose to BUY equipment? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Especially like with TWC, where it is the service that is at fault, not the equipment.

Is you internet still down? I'm sorry to hear you have so many problems with them. Hookbill's experience with TWC's internet sounds exactly like how I thought it would be. And it costs so damn much. I've looked at their prices and all of them are almost twice what I pay. And it's even worse to pay $34 or $44 a month for unreliable service.

It's funny because TWC sent me a letter last week about "saving" money by buying more of their services and some kind of a two year price guarantee. Of course I laughed at that, like I, I want any more of their services(as you know how I feel about their cable service;)) and like I'd want a contract for two years with them. This is the closest I have ever been to wanting to cancel them forever.

And Hook,I hate to do it but I have to. I'll bet you're reconsidering that high rating you gave the crappie internet phone service, since it has to run through that awful TWC internet connection. I couldn't imagine having the phone down all the time the internet is down. Now excuse me, I have to go listen to the dial tone! :p ;)

First my internet his been working since I made my post. Total down time is like 3 hours.

I still will the cable over DSL anyway. I had more problems with DSL then I ever had with cable.

And the cost when you combine them with premium channels is less then DSK
I've explained to you many times now that Voyage forwards calls to your cell. You don't miss a call. I place all outgoing calls with my cell anyway. I your lifetime you will see all landline phones disapeae

First my internet his been working since I made my post. Total down time is like 3 hours.

I still will the cable over DSL anyway. I had more problems with DSL then I ever had with cable.

3 hours? I've only had a problem like that once with DSL. I just left everything turned off overnight and it came back. Another time it was down until I realized I had to enter the IP address on the modem to re-enter my email/password to reconnect.

3 hours? I've only had a problem like that once with DSL. I just left everything turned off overnight and it came back. Another time it was down until I realized I had to enter the IP address on the modem to re-enter my email/password to reconnect.

That would be a total of three hours, 2 hours in the evening 1 hour at during the day.

I think it's RR. Never had these problems with Adelphia. Wife and I agree if modem is going to go it goes, it doesn't come on and go off for no reason at all.

My experience with phone company DSL is that the closer you are to the company the faster the signal. Now when this thing runs I will blow DSL off the map as far as speed, no question. It's just I don't need it breaking down for unknown reasons.

Does anybody have the web address again so I can check my modem? I would appreciate it.

Okay guys, do we have another round of HD channels coming in July?

Okay guys, do we have another round of HD channels coming in July?

Ohio Media Watch unofficially said more is coming but we don't know when. There is nothing listed on TW's page, that's where you have to look for the announcement. I checked yesterday.

I only have 1 or 2 left I would like to see, one being SPIKE.

According to TWC we were supposed to receive the SDV HD Channels today. However as of Noon we still have nothing. This is very discouraging.

According to TWC we were supposed to receive the SDV HD Channels today. However as of Noon we still have nothing. This is very discouraging.

Who told you that you were going to have SDV today? You would need that of course to get the channels.

Does anybody have the web address again so I can check my modem? I would appreciate it.

Many modems have a status page available at http://192.168.100.1

Many modems have a status page available at http://192.168.100.1

Thanks kid.

I'm showing receive power level of -2.9 dBmV and Transmit Power Level 50.3 dBmV. IIRC that transmit level is OK but I don't know about the receive level. Any ideas?

Just a little info I thought I would pass on. This is the first opportunity I've had to watch a game on my LG 37" set on Game HD in the MLB Extra Innings package.

I kind of expected that there would be no Dolby 5.1, but I didn't expect the bad pq. Now I've glimpsed at a game here and there on the 19" Sammy on that channel and I've seen better, so maybe it's just the transmission today. Game is coming from NESN. Picture looks washed out, very poor quality for HD.

Thanks kid.

I'm showing receive power level of -2.9 dBmV and Transmit Power Level 50.3 dBmV. IIRC that transmit level is OK but I don't know about the receive level. Any ideas?

Hookbill, the receive power sounds just a tad low, and when Rx power is low, it causes the modem to boost it's Tx power a little bit to compensate for the loss, thus your Tx power is correspondingly just a tad high.

Industry specs call for DOCSIS modems to be able to work with a receive level as low as -10 to -15dbmv, but it's the goal of most companies to hit the modem with something closer to 0 dbmv to allow for some margin.

I don't think that a level of -2.9 is going to cause reboots though. You should be able to see the modem's boot log from the status page, and that might offer some clues. Also check the simple stuff - make sure it's not plugged into a power strip outlet where the blades are a little corroded or bent and intermittent.

Ohio Media Watch unofficially said more is coming but we don't know when. There is nothing listed on TW's page, that's where you have to look for the announcement. I checked yesterday.

I only have 1 or 2 left I would like to see, one being SPIKE.

I hope something is coming at the end of June. Spike is one, I'd also like to see MSNBC when it goes live on June 29. We have CNN :D, Fixed Noise :mad: and CNBC :rolleyes:; we better have MSNBC too!

Hookbill, the receive power sounds just a tad low, and when Rx power is low, it causes the modem to boost it's Tx power a little bit to compensate for the loss, thus your Tx power is correspondingly just a tad high.

Industry specs call for DOCSIS modems to be able to work with a receive level as low as -10 to -15dbmv, but it's the goal of most companies to hit the modem with something closer to 0 dbmv to allow for some margin.

I don't think that a level of -2.9 is going to cause reboots though. You should be able to see the modem's boot log from the status page, and that might offer some clues. Also check the simple stuff - make sure it's not plugged into a power strip outlet where the blades are a little corroded or bent and intermittent.

I have it plugged into a UPS and blades are straight. Currently its gone to -3.1 dbmv however the T level is showing now at 49.0 and I can't recall if the tech told me it should be around 50 or 45. In any case there seems like there is a lot of breathing room before it maxes out even to -10dbmv. You think that change from 50.3 to 49 is anything significant?

I can't access the log, I can only get to this page. According to the tech with these modems you can't see the log page.

I have it plugged into a UPS and blades are straight. Currently its gone to -3.1 dbmv however the T level is showing now at 49.0 and I can't recall if the tech told me it should be around 50 or 45. In any case there seems like there is a lot of breathing room before it maxes out even to -10dbmv. You think that change from 50.3 to 49 is anything significant?

I can't access the log, I can only get to this page. According to the tech with these modems you can't see the log page.

+45dbmv is a good Tx level. Your Rx level can vary a little bit with no problems. It's common for levels to drift a db or so as the automatic gain controls in the trunk amplifiers do their thing. And if your receive level is anywhere from -5 to +5 you're in pretty good shape, and ther problem is likely elsewhere.

When the modem goes offline, do you lose the "cable" or "sync" light?

+45dbmv is a good Tx level. Your Rx level can vary a little bit with no problems. It's common for levels to drift a db or so as the automatic gain controls in the trunk amplifiers do their thing. And if your receive level is anywhere from -5 to +5 you're in pretty good shape, and ther problem is likely elsewhere.

When the modem goes offline, do you lose the "cable" or "sync" light?

Yes, exactly. Cable light starts blinking. TW says they see the modem as non operational.

Now my wife had a different issue earlier today where the cable light was solid but no pages were loading. She reset the modem and that fixed the problem. Other then that things have been good today.

I'm reading where some people who have bought their own modems are putting the knock on TW and Road Runner technology as being a problem specially in areas where and existing cable company had been there before. That sure sounds like me, I was fine with the old Adelphia system.

Also the version on this modem is 2.1 and I understand that 3.0 is available but may not work with all TW systems.

I'm over my head on this. I'll definitely keep the appointment with the tech this week.

You bought a modem? I didn't know you could even do that. I thought you had to use cable company equipment.

Interesting because that's what my wife wanted to do. I agree either the modem goes or it doesn't, but if you don't mind my asking how much did you pay for that? And what did you do just phone in the Mac number? Last question is why did you buy one when you can just pop over to TW and pick one up for free?

Hookbill: You can buy cable modems at BestBuy or other bigbox stores, or online. They are $80 or less. Yes, you call tech support and give them the MAC number. Unless TWC has changed their policy since I dropped them, they aren't free--there is a monthly rental charge for the cable modem.

Hookbill: You can buy cable modems at BestBuy or other bigbox stores, or online. They are $80 or less. Yes, you call tech support and give them the MAC number. Unless TWC has changed their policy since I dropped them, they aren't free--there is a monthly rental charge for the cable modem.

We looked at our bill and we don't see the charge for the modem. Finding a modem that works with Road Runner from our research may not be as simple as walking into a store and buying one. I'm going to stay with the free one.

We have a lot of stuff with TW, it could explain why we don't get charged. It may be a hidden charge but I think by law they have to show you what you're being charged for.

It could also be my wife missed it but I kind of doubt it.

Yes, exactly. Cable light starts blinking. TW says they see the modem as non operational.


A blinking cable light means that it can't sync up to the CMTS in the headend.


Also the version on this modem is 2.1 and I understand that 3.0 is available but may not work with all TW systems.

I'm over my head on this. I'll definitely keep the appointment with the tech this week.

If your modem is running DOCSIS 2.1 then you're current. Whenever DOCSIS 3.0 launches it will be backward compatible with 2.x so your modem will continue to work.

If the modem is losing sync when it has adequate signal, there could be RFI present that's interfering with the modem's carrier.

Anyway good luch with the tech visit. We now return you to the discussion of video topics, already in progress...

My experience with phone company DSL is that the closer you are to the company the faster the signal. Now when this thing runs I will blow DSL off the map as far as speed, no question. It's just I don't need it breaking down for unknown reasons.

That's the nature of DSL - performance is highly affected by "line-feet", the term the telco uses for the length of the phone line between you and the DSLAM.

I have AT&T consumer-grade ADSL, Megapath commercial-grade SDSL, and consumer TW RoadRunner here at my house. They vary widely when comparing speed, reliability, and general quality. RoadRunner is my connection of choice - very fast (8+ Mb/sec sustained) and reliable. ADSL is more of a backup connection in the rare case RR goes down - at 13,000 line-feet (max is around 18,000) I get around 3Mb/sec, up to 6Mb/sec when the planets line up. However, when comparing sustained throughput between RR and ADSL, RR blows ADSL away - ADSL is very bursty and the speed varies all over the place when doing large transfers, while RR gives consistent download rates. The SDSL line is used for business purposes. Very reliable, but quite expensive. However, having a guaranteed upload speed is worth the money.

:eek: Not my choice but wife wants to watch Big Brother, a show I'm not fond of but have tolerated in the past but this year I just have so much stuff on my DVR I don't want to record it. So to resolve the issue she's requested a DVR. In the email she wanted to know if there would be any problem downloading the shows to her laptop.:rolleyes::rolleyes:;):D

'nuff said. She blew the opportunity to get a TiVo on sale on Saturday. I'll pick it up for her, hope it actually works.

We looked at our bill and we don't see the charge for the modem. Finding a modem that works with Road Runner from our research may not be as simple as walking into a store and buying one. I'm going to stay with the free one.

We have a lot of stuff with TW, it could explain why we don't get charged. It may be a hidden charge but I think by law they have to show you what you're being charged for.

It could also be my wife missed it but I kind of doubt it.

I don't know what's on your bill. I can tell you that getting a cable modem that works with their equipment is simple. I bought a Motorola SurfBoard cable modem perhaps five years ago for $70 and it worked fine (now I have DSL).

:eek: Not my choice but wife wants to watch Big Brother, a show I'm not fond of but have tolerated in the past but this year I just have so much stuff on my DVR I don't want to record it. So to resolve the issue she's requested a DVR. In the email she wanted to know if there would be any problem downloading the shows to her laptop.:rolleyes::rolleyes:;):D

'nuff said. She blew the opportunity to get a TiVo on sale on Saturday. I'll pick it up for her, hope it actually works.

Well at least you have this years wedding anniversary present taken care of!
Isn't this the SA8300 year? Or is this the "silver" year?
Well the SA8300 is silver, so you are covered! :D

My elderly mother just notified me that she can no longer get the locals on her TV. She has Time Warner (Brooklyn) with no settop box and has the cable hooking directly into the back of the TV. When asked how long this has been going on she informed me "about a week and a half" ... basically since the switch-over.

She can get channels above 13 but not the usual locals nor 25 WVIZ. I'm going to head over to check it out myself before I give TW a call. Her TV's not that old but perhaps it's not digital ready? A channel setting within the TV (tube JVC) setup?

Nothing crankier than an 85 y.o. woman who can't get Lawrence Welk reruns. Any thoughts appreciated.

My elderly mother just notified me that she can no longer get the locals on her TV. She has Time Warner (Brooklyn) with no settop box and has the cable hooking directly into the back of the TV. When asked how long this has been going on she informed me "about a week and a half" ... basically since the switch-over.

She can get channels above 13 but not the usual locals nor 25 WVIZ. I'm going to head over to check it out myself before I give TW a call. Her TV's not that old but perhaps it's not digital ready? A channel setting within the TV (tube JVC) setup?

Nothing crankier than an 85 y.o. woman who can't get Lawrence Welk reruns. Any thoughts appreciated.

The only thought I have is the digital switch out shouldn't have affected her at all.

Carry on soldier.:) You're going to have to check this out for yourself. She should get her analog channels with no problem. If she doesn't follow part two of your plan, call TW.

I get pretty cranky when I can't my reruns from the old champaign music maker myself too.:D;)

So I emailed Brian Frederick the president at the local office in Erie about new HD Channels and looks like a grim summer.


I don't see any July or August HD channel additions on the launch schedule. I believe the next round of HD additions will be happening in the Fall and I don't have any details on those additions.

Sorry I can't be more specific.

Thank You
Brian

So I emailed Brian Frederick the president at the local office in Erie about new HD Channels and looks like a grim summer.
What are you doing watching TV in the summer anyway? When you're not out at Presque Isle or Waldameer or Glenwood park, you should be cutting the grass or watering the garden! When it rains, well, that's what Milcreek Mall is for. You don't need no stinking TV in Erie!!

Just got a notice from Time Warner Cable that they are raising my rates $5 a month and we don't have the numerous HD channels in Amherst that most of you have been enjoying for the past few weeks. Isn't that a kick in the butt?

TiVo is in talks with Time Warner. Hmmm...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601204&sid=a2d0e1TXcCuc

TiVo is in talks with Time Warner. Hmmm...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601204&sid=a2d0e1TXcCuc

Interesting, I don't know much about the Comcast box at all. I just know it's been around for a while.

If something like that happens it will take a while for people to get TiVo boxes. I don't think home media option would be included, but who knows? Definitely would be a big improvement on what they currently have.

She can get channels above 13 but not the usual locals nor 25 WVIZ

This sounds like a set with separate VHF and UHF inputs, and the VHF cable popped off for some reason.

TiVo is in talks with Time Warner. Hmmm...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601204&sid=a2d0e1TXcCuc

Ohhhh, great! :rolleyes:

That just ruined my day. ;)

Interesting, I don't know much about the Comcast box at all. I just know it's been around for a while.

If something like that happens it will take a while for people to get TiVo boxes. I don't think home media option would be included, but who knows? Definitely would be a big improvement on what they currently have.

No. It definitely would blow chunks compared to what they have now. SARA is probably the most stable OS TWC has(now that Passport is being phased out in NYC). SARA has been developed by professionals and in used for several years. Navigator is also OK. Now that it has been updated it is far more stable than the original version unleashed in 2007. The box and the software are finally agreeing with each other. This is obvious with new Samsung boxes, where Navigator is full of problems. Once the "bugs" are worked out, it is decent. Now they're gonna throw this Tivo software into the picture. I'll bet that takes another two years before they can make the Tivo software work with the TWC boxes. No thanks! Never thought I would say it, but I'll keep my Navigator box. :cool:

I know this isnt exactly on topic...

But I'm in cleveland...

Any experiance with a reputable Hiatachi service center?

Where who?

42hdt79 cycles on and of and on and off

I'm not in Cleveland, but I had that problem and it was a pinched ribbon cable shorting against the back on the unit. It took a lot of testing and anguish to find it.

OK, I have just returned my second DVR to TW. The first one had a picture that looked like sh*t and the second one keeps giving me a "not authorized" message.

Spent 20 minutes on the phone with customer service and she couldn't fix it so now I have a tech scheduled to come out between 4 and 6 tomorrow.

I'm so fed up with TW now. I can't even get their own equipment working. nickdawg you don't know what a pos SARA is, how can you comment on it? I've lived with it for years, I'm sure it doesn't do well with SDV it can't even activate one of it's own boxes. I mean if my STB was working fine there, whats the friggen problem?

And btw the first box the gave me was a SA 8000 which was fine with me since it's going to wife but that thing was such a pos couldn't deliver a decent picture. The 4250 was fine. I don't get it.

SARA sucks, TiVo knows how to make cable work once they get rid of SARA and move on to TiVo they will finally have good software. That's years away but that's what its going to take. If it happens.

Oh and my appointment for tomorrow was cancelled as it appears they did have an internet outage in my area that caused the problem after all. Nobody bothered to tell me it was cancelled however, I would have been waiting at 10:00 am.

Time Warner really blows, but then again all cable companies do. And SARA still sux.

OK, I have just returned my second DVR to TW. The first one had a picture that looked like sh*t and the second one keeps giving me a "not authorized" message.

Spent 20 minutes on the phone with customer service and she couldn't fix it so now I have a tech scheduled to come out between 4 and 6 tomorrow.

I'm so fed up with TW now. I can't even get their own equipment working. nickdawg you don't know what a pos SARA is, how can you comment on it? I've lived with it for years, I'm sure it doesn't do well with SDV it can't even activate one of it's own boxes. I mean if my STB was working fine there, whats the friggen problem?

And btw the first box the gave me was a SA 8000 which was fine with me since it's going to wife but that thing was such a pos couldn't deliver a decent pictu50 was fine. I don't get it.

SARA sucks, TiVo knows how to make cable work once they get rid of SARA and move on to TiVo they will finally have good software. That's years away but that's what its going to take. If it happens.

Oh and my appointment for tomorrow was cancelled as it appears they did have an internet outage in my area that caused the problem after all. Nobody bothered to tell me it was cancelled however, I would have been waiting at 10:00 am.

Time Warner really blows, but then again all cable companies do. And SARA still sux.

Hook: THAT'S NOT A SARA PROBLEM!!! How can I know that? Because I've gone through exactly what you did with Passport. Back in 2007 when I decided to upgrade:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: to a DVR for HD, they gave me an old SA 8000 with Passport. One of them did not work at all. The second one they gave me died after an hour. I had tow wait a week for a service call because I was done with the garbage they have in the cabinet there.

Direct your anger where it belongs: at TWC. The very fact they gave you a SA 8000 in the year 2009 speaks to what a joke their operation is. How can they be recycling garbage equipment? And if that 8000 is running SARA, it probably works better than if it were running Navigator(the old boxes choke on Navigator). Even with Passport, I was never happy when I had the 8000. The boxes are old, so it is no surprise that the picture doesn't look as great. Should have tried recording something. I'll bet the analog to digital converter sucks too.

Welcome to Time Warner Cable. It's like a scratch and dent sale!! ;)

Hook: THAT'S NOT A SARA PROBLEM!!! How can I know that? Because I've gone through exactly what you did with Passport. Back in 2007 when I decided to upgrade:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: to a DVR for HD, they gave me an old SA 8000 with Passport. One of them did not work at all. The second one they gave me died after an hour. I had tow wait a week for a service call because I was done with the garbage they have in the cabinet there.

Direct your anger where it belongs: at TWC. The very fact they gave you a SA 8000 in the year 2009 speaks to what a joke their operation is. How can they be recycling garbage equipment? And if that 8000 is running SARA, it probably works better than if it were running Navigator(the old boxes choke on Navigator). Even with Passport, I was never happy when I had the 8000. The boxes are old, so it is no surprise that the picture doesn't look as great. Should have tried recording something. I'll bet the analog to digital converter sucks too.

Welcome to Time Warner Cable. It's like a scratch and dent sale!! ;)

I'm not certain it isn't due to SARA's crummy software. You know I wouldn't give up and allow a service call without talking to you know who. She tried doing several things to get this thing going and IT IS NOT THE BOX!!! The problem is that they can't get an IP address out of the darn thing. That according to her is going to have to be addressed by the tech.

Now I don't have any idea if SARA is to blame or not and you're absolutely right about directing my anger at TW for offering up a SA 8000. When I came back and told them I wanted an SA 8300 first thing she said was that they didn't have any but when she looked, guess what, she found one.

Not only that but I couldn't get anything out of HDMI. I have it hooked up with component just to have the screen saying This Box is NOT AUTHORIZED, like I'm some kind of thief or something.

So now I have to waste more of my time with TW and this tech tomorrow. How much more time do I have to waste dealing with TW.

They got me by the short and curlies otherwise I'd dump this cable company in a heartbeat. I can't say they are worst then Adelphia, don't know if anybody could be but they certainly are up there with crummy equipment, lousy software, and bad customer service. Just think they are charging me today for use of this box even though I'm not able to use it.

Rant over.

It's official there is no new HD Channels for the month of July.

What I would do is ask for a NEW box in a crate: 8240HDC or 8300HDC. I know they have them, I got one from the Midway Plaza location. Only problem is the new boxes might be only for Navigator, as SARA will be going away in the near future. Plus the new boxes run Navigator better, so they might be pushing all of the old 8000 boxes on the SARA areas :(.

Is the unauthorized box a HDC box? If so, it might be a cable card issue. I've seen a "Call Customer Care to Receive This Channel" message on local channels before and a reboot fixed it. If that's not working they might have to replace the cable card or the box. If they replace it be sure you get a new one, or at least a 8300HD. The 8000 boxes are trash and I wouldn't recommend them even for a TV in a dog's house.

But wow, I can't believe they are still giving out those old boxes(that date back to 2004!). Like I said, it must be because they don't want to deploy any new OCAP equipment with SARA. I've heard that once Navigator is complete in the last Passport market: NYC, they are supposed to start rolling out Navigator in SARA markets.

What I would do is ask for a NEW box in a crate: 8240HDC or 8300HDC. I know they have them, I got one from the Midway Plaza location. Only problem is the new boxes might be only for Navigator, as SARA will be going away in the near future. Plus the new boxes run Navigator better, so they might be pushing all of the old 8000 boxes on the SARA areas :(.

Is the unauthorized box a HDC box? If so, it might be a cable card issue. I've seen a "Call Customer Care to Receive This Channel" message on local channels before and a reboot fixed it. If that's not working they might have to replace the cable card or the box. If they replace it be sure you get a new one, or at least a 8300HD. The 8000 boxes are trash and I wouldn't recommend them even for a TV in a dog's house.

But wow, I can't believe they are still giving out those old boxes(that date back to 2004!). Like I said, it must be because they don't want to deploy any new OCAP equipment with SARA. I've heard that once Navigator is complete in the last Passport market: NYC, they are supposed to start rolling out Navigator in SARA markets.

Nope, not an HDC and according to my source it's not the box. The box is reporting in telling her exactly what my services is.

I think they are dumping the 8000 on SARA people.

Hey I got a funny story to tell:

This guy is at the TW office today having a fit. Why? Because he can't receive his channels in 1080p. The guy was livid at TW saying he wasn't getting real HD because his set is a 1080p and he sees that the signals are either 1080i or 720p. Further he talked to someone at tech support so he knows there is a box that will give him 1080p.

The guy taking care of him was as patient as he could be but this clown just kept going on and on. I even told him hey buddy, they don't broadcast in 1080p. The guy at TW explained to him that 1080p is only available On Blu-ray DVD but no matter what he said he kept saying "You mean this guy at your tech support told me incorrectly that I needed my box upgraded?" ROFLOL

I believe some idiot did tell him that so I can understand why the guy was p.o.'d but come on. I think this guy working at TW showed far greater patience then I could have.

Maybe you had to be there but it was funny.

I'm not certain it isn't due to SARA's crummy software. You know I wouldn't give up and allow a service call without talking to you know who. She tried doing several things to get this thing going and IT IS NOT THE BOX!!! The problem is that they can't get an IP address out of the darn thing. That according to her is going to have to be addressed by the tech.


When a box can't obtain an IP address, it's usually a "layer 1" problem (to use networking terminology). In other words it's likely an RF issue, where the box's DHCP request isn't received by the headend. There could be excessive attenuation in the return path somewhere.

A DHCP failure is agnostic in terms of operating systems - it wouldn't matter whether it was SARA, PASSPORT, MDN/ODN or something else - if you can't get an IP address you can't communicate. All cable companies with two-way systems operate in the same way. In that sense, cable modems are very similar to two-way STBs - they both need to establish an upstream and a downstream path to the headend.

Good luck with the tech visit. They'll have a nifty little gizmo that can simulate a two-way device and measure upstream (QPSK) and downstream (QAM) carriers and display the relative health of each path.

When a box can't obtain an IP address, it's usually a "layer 1" problem (to use networking terminology). In other words it's likely an RF issue, where the box's DHCP request isn't received by the headend. There could be excessive attenuation in the return path somewhere.

A DHCP failure is agnostic in terms of operating systems - it wouldn't matter whether it was SARA, PASSPORT, MDN/ODN or something else - if you can't get an IP address you can't communicate. All cable companies with two-way systems operate in the same way. In that sense, cable modems are very similar to two-way STBs - they both need to establish an upstream and a downstream path to the headend.

Good luck with the tech visit. They'll have a nifty little gizmo that can simulate a two-way device and measure upstream (QPSK) and downstream (QAM) carriers and display the relative health of each path.

Do all techs jave this gizmo? You know more about the situation then he does. Got a gizmo and some spare time tomorrow?;)

I just don't understand why this problem occurred. If I have a STB or a DVR what's the difference?

Wow. Somehow I stopped receiving reply notifications for the past couple days. oO Got a lot of threads here to manually check up on. >< Errrrgh...

On a related note, looks like a few new entries on TWC's programming notices page:
On or after July 15, the following services will be added to Standard HD in the Elyria area: Lifetime Movie Network, Travel, AMC.

On or after July 15 WNWO HD will be added to the standard HD tier in areas where this is carried as a broadcast channel.

On or after July 15, the following services will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier in the Elyria area: Versus, Speed, ESPNU.

On or after July 15, the following services will be added to HD for customers subscribing to the MLB Extra Innings or NHL Center Ice packages in the Elyria area: Game HD

On or after June 26, Smithsonian HD on Demand will be added.

On or after July 15, WNEO Fusion and WNEO MHz Worldview will be added to Digital Access in some areas. In other areas WVIZ Ohio and WVIZ World will be added to Digital Access.

On or after July 13, 2009 the following changes will take place: Jewelry TV will be dropped from expanded basic and our digital level of service and ONTV will be added to expanded basic and our digital level of service; Shopping Plus will be dropped from our digital level of service and Liquidation will be added to our digital level of service.

On or after July 25, 2009, LoMejor On Demand will be added and SportsTime Ohio On Demand carriage will be resumed.

Or in other words: Elyria gets the June 15th channels a month late, WNWO will be added in HD to it's market on July 15th, Smithsonian HD on demand in 2 days from now, WNEO and WVIZ's OTA subchannels will be added to the digital tier on July 15th, some retarded shopping channels will be changed around which we don't give a rats ass about, STOHD ondemand will return and LoMejor on demand wil be added on July 25th.

So for the rest of us, nothing to write home about for the next month apparently unless they change something.

Here comes TWC's legalease rearing it's ugly head again. Their '5 HD channels a month' is probably getting satisfied by Elyria getting these channels they should have had earlier this month or the on demand channels probably. I'm hoping I am wrong on this, but meh...I was kinda hoping to see MSNBC in HD once they went live. :/

The Lakeside Headend has finally implemented SDV and the City of Cleveland served from Lakeside has received the new HD Channels as of this morning. In addition it appears we have finally gotten rid of the Awful Adelphia On Demand portal. Things are looking up for TWC.

The Lakeside Headend has finally implemented SDV and the City of Cleveland served from Lakeside has received the new HD Channels as of this morning. In addition it appears we have finally gotten rid of the Awful Adelphia On Demand portal. Things are looking up for TWC.

Let's give it a few days and we will see. I continue to have problems with the internet intermittently. Still glad you got your channels.:)

Wow. Somehow I stopped receiving reply notifications for the past couple days. oO Got a lot of threads here to manually check up on. >< Errrrgh...

On a related note, looks like a few new entries on TWC's programming notices page:


Or in other words: Elyria gets the June 15th channels a month late, WNWO will be added in HD to it's market on July 15th, Smithsonian HD on demand in 2 days from now, WNEO and WVIZ's OTA subchannels will be added to the digital tier on July 15th, some retarded shopping channels will be changed around which we don't give a rats ass about, STOHD ondemand will return and LoMejor on demand wil be added on July 25th.

So for the rest of us, nothing to write home about for the next month apparently unless they change something.

Here comes TWC's legalease rearing it's ugly head again. Their '5 HD channels a month' is probably getting satisfied by Elyria getting these channels they should have had earlier this month or the on demand channels probably. I'm hoping I am wrong on this, but meh...I was kinda hoping to see MSNBC in HD once they went live. :/


Where's the other HD channels like: Bravo, CNBC, TLC and many others that the other areas got.

Where's the other HD channels like: Bravo, CNBC, TLC and many others that the other areas got.

Even though they didn't specify it I'll bet you get those on 7/15 as well.

Let's give it a few days and we will see. I continue to have problems with the internet intermittently. Still glad you got your channels.:)
Hook, I'll bet your internet and SA8300 problems are related. Last year I had a similar issue and it turned out to be an intermittent connection in a tap that was added up the street.

I know your pain with the SA8000! That was the first DVR i got when I lived near Buffalo. It responded soooo slowly! I thought I died and went to heaven when they replaced it with the SA8300... all SARA software, of course.

I've used Navigator on my daughter's 8300 un upstate NY and really don't see any significant difference between it and SARA, except for a couple of recording features. SARA here finally implemented the "first time on this channel" option for series recording. Also, if you stop playback and go away (watch live TV or turn the set off), when you go back to view the recording it gives the option of resuming where you left off. I don't remember having that before.

Hook, I'll bet your internet and SA8300 problems are related. Last year I had a similar issue and it turned out to be an intermittent connection in a tap that was added up the street.

I know your pain with the SA8000! That was the first DVR i got when I lived near Buffalo. It responded soooo slowly! I thought I died and went to heaven when they replaced it with the SA8300... all SARA software, of course.

I've used Navigator on my daughter's 8300 un upstate NY and really don't see any significant difference between it and SARA, except for a couple of recording features. SARA here finally implemented the "first time on this channel" option for series recording. Also, if you stop playback and go away (watch live TV or turn the set off), when you go back to view the recording it gives the option of resuming where you left off. I don't remember having that before.

It's just strange that I had no problem with the STB and the moment I go to the SA 8300 I get a problem. I have had two techs come out for the internet issue and now one coming out for the DVR today, will mention intermittent internet problems as well. I've been told they are trained on both.

I really just want to get the darn thing running. It's my wife's headache after that. I mean I'll have to program it for her and all but if her shows don't record, don't blame me. :)

My elderly mother just notified me that she can no longer get the locals on her TV. She has Time Warner (Brooklyn) with no settop box and has the cable hooking directly into the back of the TV. When asked how long this has been going on she informed me "about a week and a half" ... basically since the switch-over.

She can get channels above 13 but not the usual locals nor 25 WVIZ. I'm going to head over to check it out myself before I give TW a call. Her TV's not that old but perhaps it's not digital ready? A channel setting within the TV (tube JVC) setup?

Nothing crankier than an 85 y.o. woman who can't get Lawrence Welk reruns. Any thoughts appreciated.

Fixed:D

Don't know how it happened but the "lower channels" (12 and below) were locked out or deselected within the TV's setup. I re-enabled them and viola, "da bubble machine" will be playing once again for my Mom.:rolleyes:

The Lakeside Headend has finally implemented SDV and the City of Cleveland served from Lakeside has received the new HD Channels as of this morning.

I don't know anything about the Lakeside tech people, but the customer service people at the desk have been consistently accommodating, helpful, friendly every time I have gone in about a billing issue or to exchange equipment. It's a huge improvement over the way they treat customers in in the Cleveland Heights (Severance Center) office, where they are irritable, nasty, and usually communicate a who-cares attitude.

I don't know anything about the Lakeside tech people, but the customer service people at the desk have been consistently accommodating, helpful, friendly every time I have gone in about a billing issue or to exchange equipment. It's a huge improvement over the way they treat customers in in the Cleveland Heights (Severance Center) office, where they are irritable, nasty, and usually communicate a who-cares attitude.

The reason you have that happening is because at one time all of these offices had different managers at one time. One of the old Adelphia managers explained it to me. If you had an office that delivered good service and you went to another you may very well see exactly what you spoke about.

The idea now is to turn that around so that all TW offices act the same way. I can't say for certain if that has happened. When was the last time you were in the Cleveland Heights office?

My 4-6 pm time slot for a service call has come and gone, and I'm going to make sure I get my 20.00 credit.

I had to call the manager of the Concord office. He's got a tech coming out and the guy really didn't have any idea what he's coming out for, I had to clue him in.

Nice job TW. Once again just to get the service I'm suppose to get I had to call a special number because your regular customer service didn't work.

My 4-6 pm time slot for a service call has come and gone, and I'm going to make sure I get my 20.00 credit.

I had to call the manager of the Concord office. He's got a tech coming out and the guy really didn't have any idea what he's coming out for, I had to clue him in.

Nice job TW. Once again just to get the service I'm suppose to get I had to call a special number because your regular customer service didn't work.

Welcome to TWC!! We think like you think. We're the Power of You. :p:p:p

Now you can see why I've always wanted to have Adeplhia as my cable company. I can't think of anyone with worse service than TWC. Except maybe Directv.

Email I received back today from Time Warner cable questioning when the Elyria/ Mentor area would receive HD channels others are already receiving in most areas in Northeast Ohio:

Thank you for your recent email note to Steve Fry. I have some
information about the timing of HD channel additions in your area. In
the Cleveland area, we have been launching new HD channels on a
community by community basis. The area in which you live is expected to
be able to launch the channels mid summer. The reason for the
'rolling' nature of the launches is engineering related but we expect
the areas formerly served by Comcast to have all the necessary
Engineering and Operations work completed so that these channels will be
available to customers with our SA - Scientific Atlanta -- HD settop
boxes. In reviewing your account, I believe you have that version of
equipment so you should be in good shape. Listed below are the
channels you can expect to see.


Bravo CNBC
TLC - Learning Channel Animal Planet
ABC Family ESPN News
MLB - Major League Baseball Golf
National Geographic Science
FX Fox News
CNN Lifetime Movie Network
Versus Speed
Travel AMC (American Movie Classic)
ESPNU Game HD - for customers
subscribing to either MLB Extra Innings season package or NHL Center Ice
season package

I will gladly keep you updated on the timing of the launches - I
understand 'mid-summer' is not as definitive as I would like, but given
there is Engineering and Operations work that needs to be completed and
tested, I am unable to give you an absolute date certain. Also, once
launched, the channel positions can be found in the 400 series -- our
channel line up website www.twcguide.com -- has the most current
information available on channel positions and the various programming
tiers these new HD channels are included on.

Please keep my contact information handy. If there is anything else you
need us to know about your service or if there are any questions I can
answer, please feel free to call or email me. Thank you again for being
a Time Warner Cable customer.


Liz Watson
Director of Marketing
Northeast Ohio Division
PH: 330.630.6423
FX: 330.633.7970
CL: 330.957.3175

liz.watson@twcable.com

Welcome to TWC!! We think like you think. We're the Power of You. :p:p:p

Now you can see why I've always wanted to have Adeplhia as my cable company. I can't think of anyone with worse service than TWC. Except maybe Directv.

Well to be honest TW IMHO still hasn't shown itself to be worst then Adelphia. Out of all the cable companies I've dealt with they still get my "worst" rating.

Tech fixed the SA8300. Kind of. Its missing a foot so it wobbles and the HDMI doesn't work. Don't know if it can record a program. I hope it can. Tech discovered a splitter that may have been an issue. After he changed it numbers went from 53 to 43.7. Not the goal of 45 but I suppose that's better.

Well to be honest TW IMHO still hasn't shown itself to be worst then Adelphia. Out of all the cable companies I've dealt with they still get my "worst" rating.

Tech fixed the SA8300. Kind of. Its missing a foot so it wobbles and the HDMI doesn't work. Don't know if it can record a program. I hope it can. Tech discovered a splitter that may have been an issue. After he changed it numbers went from 53 to 43.7. Not the goal of 45 but I suppose that's better.

What numbers are you talking about? :confused::confused::confused:

Just kidding. But when I got home after the quick check this morning I did have the deadly 8 Blinks on one of my 4 tuning adapters. My Series 3 was blinking 8 times on its tuning adapter. Surprisingly however when I called customer care they were quickly able to identify the problem and re-balance my account. Light stopped flashing and all was good. So you were right but they were quickly able to address it. Tivo HD's worked fine from the beginning. I think it has to do with the balancing of the two s-cards that the series 3 needs to use. Knock on wood picture and sound have been stable all evening.

I agree the Agents at Lakeside are awesome. They are nice and helpful.

What numbers are you talking about? :confused::confused::confused:

Dbmv

Just kidding. But when I got home after the quick check this morning I did have the deadly 8 Blinks on one of my 4 tuning adapters. My Series 3 was blinking 8 times on its tuning adapter. Surprisingly however when I called customer care they were quickly able to identify the problem and re-balance my account. Light stopped flashing and all was good. So you were right but they were quickly able to address it. Tivo HD's worked fine from the beginning. I think it has to do with the balancing of the two s-cards that the series 3 needs to use. Knock on wood picture and sound have been stable all evening.

I agree the Agents at Lakeside are awesome. They are nice and helpful.

They did this without transferring you to cable card services? That's amazing!

I agree. It is the first time I have called in and have not had to ask them to look at he notes on my account that have the Cablecard Hotline number stored in them. It is also the first time that when a frontline agent has touched my account that they have not taken other services out. Needless to say with 5 Cablecards and two HDC Boxes the regular agents usually just get scared :) and transfer me. I was impressed.

Just kidding. But when I got home after the quick check this morning I did have the deadly 8 Blinks on one of my 4 tuning adapters.

4 tuning adapters? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

You're probably aware that the tech changed a splitter on my cable in the basement and this drastically changed the numbers on my cable modem. I'm wondering now whether this is going to far the other way.

Now I'm showing 40dbmv on transmit and 4.0dbmv on receive. Just to clarify yesterday I was showing 53 dbmv on transmit and -3.1dbmv. Notice the receive has gone from a negative to a positive.

I don't understand what this drastic change means, can you break it down for me?

And FWIW we still had to reset the modem last night, although I have a feeling if my wife would have been a little patient it would have come around on its own.

It appears that whomever provides data for TW does now have a first run code so you can record first run only. SARA has always been able to do this but when I had this unit that feature was not available.

Search features are tremendously horrible still. And still only a 7 day window for looking up programs? Well, you get what you pay for. I'm just happy that Big Brother will not be a part of my television viewing displeasure for this year.;)

And I think since she won't ask it to record one or two programs we shouldn't have the missed/partial program problem which was so prevalent when I had used it in the past. No eSATA hook up should also help.

*snip* After he changed it numbers went from 53 to 43.7. Not the goal of 45 but I suppose that's better.

Actually, that 43.7 is GREAT. With the transmit power, lower is better. 45 is not necessarily the best. So your 43.7 is a major improvement over the previous 53 and the tech actually did something right. ;)

What was the receive like before though? Though +3 or +4 isn't bad and still well within spec, if it was previously less than that I'm curious as to why it'd end up like that.

I know about this same time a year back my transmit level was up around +55 on this SciAtl modem (though, FWIW, never had any issues whatsoever. I understand some brands work better than others with marginal signal, but SciAtl stuff as far as modems are not total crap unless you have lousy cabling) and like -5 on the receive. Between of some unknown change elsewhere in the neighborhood and possibly oter unseen changes, it came down to like +47 on the transmit and -1 to +1 on the receive. A tech recently replaced our drop here a few weeks ago and it further tweaked to a steady 0db on the receive and 45 steady on the transmit.

Actually, that 43.7 is GREAT. With the transmit power, lower is better. 45 is not necessarily the best. So your 43.7 is a major improvement over the previous 53 and the tech actually did something right. ;)

What was the receive like before though? Though +3 or +4 isn't bad and still well within spec, if it was previously less than that I'm curious as to why it'd end up like that.

I know about this same time a year back my transmit level was up around +55 on this SciAtl modem (though, FWIW, never had any issues whatsoever. I understand some brands work better than others with marginal signal, but SciAtl stuff as far as modems are not total crap unless you have lousy cabling) and like -5 on the receive. Between of some unknown change elsewhere in the neighborhood and possibly oter unseen changes, it came down to like +47 on the transmit and -1 to +1 on the receive. A tech recently replaced our drop here a few weeks ago and it further tweaked to a steady 0db on the receive and 45 steady on the transmit.

Receive was -3. Now it's +4.0. I guess he did the right thing then.:)

Receive was -3. Now it's +4.0. I guess he did the right thing then.:)
Hook, he did very good! A 10 dB improvement is HUGE.... almost equivalent to removing 2 4-way splitters! I would not expect any more blinking lights on your modem.

I'm with you with the "search" (or really lack of) capability on the SA. It's worthless.

Hook, he did very good! A 10 dB improvement is HUGE.... almost equivalent to removing 2 4-way splitters! I would not expect any more blinking lights on your modem.

I'm with you with the "search" (or really lack of) capability on the SA. It's worthless.

Yes I know it looks good but I still have to reboot modem from time to time. Cable light is steady but I can see internet down because my Vongage light goes orange and I can't access web. Now this is a brand new, out of the box modem that was replaced a month ago. My wife is really p.o.'d I have thrown my hands up. It doesn't bug me to reboot the modem it's right by my desk and I'm tired of dealing with it.

Unlike the 3 legged not out of the box SA 8300 with a dead HDMI. Oh well, that's her problem too.:D

Yes I know it looks good but I still have to reboot modem from time to time. Cable light is steady but I can see internet down because my Vongage light goes orange and I can't access web. Now this is a brand new, out of the box modem that was replaced a month ago. My wife is really p.o.'d I have thrown my hands up. It doesn't bug me to reboot the modem it's right by my desk and I'm tired of dealing with it.
I've seen a couple of internet outages this week as well, so it may have nothing to do with your recent service call. In general, T/W's internet service has been extremely reliable over the past 12-24 months, so I was surprised to run into this. Still, the problem was brief - less than an hour in the worst case.

Same symptom - cable modem appears to be connected, but no URLs can be resolved. Maybe a DNS problem, maybe a routing problem. I didn't dig deep enough to try to sort it out.

I've seen a couple of internet outages this week as well, so it may have nothing to do with your recent service call. In general, T/W's internet service has been extremely reliable over the past 12-24 months, so I was surprised to run into this. Still, the problem was brief - less than an hour in the worst case.

Same symptom - cable modem appears to be connected, but no URLs can be resolved. Maybe a DNS problem, maybe a routing problem. I didn't dig deep enough to try to sort it out.

See here's what I don't get. Our problem started on Sunday with the cable light going out. I call in and the rep says it can't be an outage if my cable television is working so she sets up a Wednesday appointment.

Cable internet light came back up in two hours went out 5 hours later for about 15 minutes then stayed up. It went out again on Monday briefly and returned.

Now apparently on Monday they did indeed have an internet outage, because when I called to confirm my appointment the CSR told me I didn't have one because it was determined my problem was because of the outage. I said fine and hopped in my car to pick up DVR for wife. Problem with that so that's why I had the tech at least look at the internet.

It's hard to fix something that doesn't look broken. He made the change on the splitter and since then we still have had two occasions now which had the problems I described earlier, cable connection light on, internet addresses cannot be resolved. Resetting modem fixes. This is back to the same problem we had with the old modem.

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the modem. What's going on, I don't have a clue. But it's bugging the crap out of my wife and now she's looking at ways to fix it.

I have a feeling she wants to buy a new modem but we will see. I'm just going to go with the flow.

I just noticed that my cable light is out on my SA modem, but everything seems to be working fine. Phone, Cable, and Internet all OK.

Ben Music

Hookbill, I wonder if the new SA8300 could be interfering with the internet modem. Since the new cable boxes communicate back to home office.

Hookbill, I wonder if the new SA8300 could be interfering with the internet modem. Since the new cable boxes communicate back to home office.

Nah, highly doubtful this problem started before that piece of...I mean that DVR even entered my house.:D;)

The TiVo's use the internet as well to call home, get updated guide data and all that stuff. But they only call in once every day or two. Since the reset this morning all is well AFAIK.

Wife started having some difficulties with wireless network just when this problem returned, but I can't see how the wireless network would interfere with the internet. It's a pretty new router and all.

Nah, highly doubtful this problem started before that piece of...I mean that DVR even entered my house.:D;)

The TiVo's use the internet as well to call home, get updated guide data and all that stuff. But they only call in once every day or two. Since the reset this morning all is well AFAIK.

Wife started having some difficulties with wireless network just when this problem returned, but I can't see how the wireless network would interfere with the internet. It's a pretty new router and all.



How close together are the cable modem and wireless router? If they are close together, the wireless router may be interfering with the cable modem. If I put my router closer than about 2-3 ft from the modem, I start to have problems (modem losing sync, speed decrease, etc)

It appears that whomever provides data for TW does now have a first run code so you can record first run only. SARA has always been able to do this but when I had this unit that feature was not available.

Well, software does get upgraded over the years. :rolleyes:

Search features are tremendously horrible still. And still only a 7 day window for looking up programs? Well, you get what you pay for. I'm just happy that Big Brother will not be a part of my television viewing displeasure for this year.;)

Navigator and Passport also have a 7 day guide data. 7 days is standard, if something has more, that is unusual.

Big Brother? :eek::eek::eek: I really hope that's not in HD. :(

Well, software does get upgraded over the years. :rolleyes:



Navigator and Passport also have a 7 day guide data. 7 days is standard, if something has more, that is unusual.

Big Brother? :eek::eek::eek: I really hope that's not in HD. :(

TiVo's guide goes to 7-8. Big Brother is not in HD, at least it wasn't last year and I won't have to look at it this year.;)

How close together are the cable modem and wireless router? If they are close together, the wireless router may be interfering with the cable modem. If I put my router closer than about 2-3 ft from the modem, I start to have problems (modem losing sync, speed decrease, etc)

3 feet but that really shouldn't make a difference it's been in the same spot for about 4 years and we never had a problem with it.

My signal is fine right now. And to the best of my knowledge internet has held up all day. It's only when wife uses it that it fails.:D

Receive was -3. Now it's +4.0. I guess he did the right thing then.:)

Yes he did. A higher receive level usually produces a lower transmit level as the modem has less trouble pushing through the attenuation to communicate with the headend, so it doesn't have to "shout" to be heard. Every time you boot a modem it goes though a ranging process where it adjusts it's transmit level based on a signal from the headend that tells it how well it's being heard.

Hook, Are there any other wireless networks in your area that you can see when you search for networks? If so you may want to figure out what channel they are on since these networks can cause enough interference for you to lose your connection. Also make sure that if you have any 2.4 GHZ products like Wireless Cameras, Sonos, Bose wireless Audio etc. that they re also set to the furthest channel from the one you are using on your wireless network. If you are still having issues PM me and I can get you the name of someone at TWC who helped me correct some similar issues. However getting your signal correct is a good start.

Guys...thanks for helping me understand how the modem works and what the signal strength numbers mean I appreciate it.

As of the last two days no more issues. Wife used her wireless laptop flawlessly and I haven't seen anymore outages. I think we're good at this point.

I guess since we don't have any new HD coming in we don't have much else to talk about. I did get a message on my TiVo about a new On Demand channel which is interesting since I can't get On Demand through TiVo. Still it added it to the channel line up. Maybe some other channels got added too, not sure.

Hook, Are there any other wireless networks in your area that you can see when you search for networks? If so you may want to figure out what channel they are on since these networks can cause enough interference for you to lose your connection. Also make sure that if you have any 2.4 GHZ products like Wireless Cameras, Sonos, Bose wireless Audio etc. that they re also set to the furthest channel from the one you are using on your wireless network. If you are still having issues PM me and I can get you the name of someone at TWC who helped me correct some similar issues. However getting your signal correct is a good start.

Also note that Ch 1-6 are in the amateur radio band and hams can be legally using considerable power there. Best to stay on the channels above that.

Here in North Canton I cannot get WKYC, WOIO or FOX-8 OTA with my rabbit ears. Used to get FOX-8 before the digital transition. I can however now pick up KDKA out of Pittsburgh as well as channels 21-1, 21-2, 27-1 and 27-2 out of Youngstown which get me my CBS, NBC, FOX and CW shows in HD.

Shame on the Cleveland stations for not even getting to Stark County in digital. Used to get them all easily in analog.

Always suspected the "digital switch" was a conspiracy by the cable and satellite providers to pick up all remaining viewers.

Here in North Canton I cannot get WKYC, WOIO or FOX-8 OTA with my rabbit ears. Used to get FOX-8 before the digital transition. I can however now pick up KDKA out of Pittsburgh as well as channels 21-1, 21-2, 27-1 and 27-2 out of Youngstown which get me my CBS, NBC, FOX and CW shows in HD.

Shame on the Cleveland stations for not even getting to Stark County in digital. Used to get them all easily in analog.

Always suspected the "digital switch" was a conspiracy by the cable and satellite providers to pick up all remaining viewers.

The fact that you can't pick up WOIO and WJW is not surprising as they are VHS. I'm a little surprised you can't get WKYC.

So long as you can get the 4 networks though what does it matter if it's Cleveland or Youngstown. Heck I think I'd prefer Youngstown.:)

Thanks to that damn DTV transition, I can no longer get WFMJ 21 with my rabbit ears. This sucks tonight because NBC is rebroadcasting the show about Farrah Fawcett and WKYC is showing the phucking Idiots Indians game. The same g-damn game that is on STO is on WKYC. For the first time I am realizing how miserable life is without having the option of that fuzzy NBC station from Y-Town.

Ha ha, I'm still running through May's season finales. And I haven't even looked at the whole season of Castle yet.

Remember what a big deal I made about SDV and STO? I haven't even watched a whole Tribe game they stink that bad.

:confused::confused::confused:

Why am I not surprised that confuses you.;)

I thought you were saying you had nothing to watch. I was saying I have too much to watch.

Why am I not surprised that confuses you.;)

I thought you were saying you had nothing to watch. I was saying I have too much to watch.

Ohhh, I see. I was wondering what Castle had to do with Farrah and WKYC. Just another chance to flaunt that Tivo and its big hard drive! :rolleyes:

So I won't get to see Farrah. I'll probably watch MSNBC or CNN coverage of Michael Jackson. Or FOX if Shepard Smith is on. Plus I can continue watching the MJ videos on MTV. That's right! MTV was showing music videos last night and today! Wow, who would've thought it was a good idea for Music Television to show videos! ;)

Ohhh, I see. I was wondering what Castle had to do with Farrah and WKYC. Just another chance to flaunt that Tivo and its big hard drive! :rolleyes:

So I won't get to see Farrah. I'll probably watch MSNBC or CNN coverage of Michael Jackson. Or FOX if Shepard Smith is on. Plus I can continue watching the MJ videos on MTV. That's right! MTV was showing music videos last night and today! Wow, who would've thought it was a good idea for Music Television to show videos! ;)

Geeze nickdawg I'm not flaunting about TiVo. IIRC SA 8300 has 20 hours HD recording. That's the same as my TiVo HD. What's to flaunt about?

Geeze nickdawg I'm not flaunting about TiVo. IIRC SA 8300 has 20 hours HD recording. That's the same as my TiVo HD. What's to flaunt about?

Then how do you have the entire Castle season recorded? It was 13 episodes(I think) so that would mean 13 hours on the DVR. You'd be almost out of room. But you also have Rescue Me and other shows recorded.

I thought Tivo had a bigger hard drive. :confused::confused::confused:

Then how do you have the entire Castle season recorded? It was 13 episodes(I think) so that would mean 13 hours on the DVR. You'd be almost out of room. But you also have Rescue Me and other shows recorded.

I thought Tivo had a bigger hard drive. :confused::confused::confused:

The S3 does have a bigger hard drive but only 50 gb more. I have eSATAs on both TiVos for an additional 500 gb each. This is something the SA 8300 is perfectly capable of. No advantage there really.

The way I do it isn't because of extra disk space. That's helpful of course but for the amount of shows I have I'd still run out of disk space. Its the ability to move the shows to my Macs 1tb hard drive that makes it possible.

I use a software called Toast that has the capability to automatically move shows from TiVo to the Mac. All episodes of Castle were set to auto transfer after being recorded. And that's where all 10 episodes are at. Short season for Castle I guess.

Eventually using the Toast and Tivo I will move them back to Tivos hard drive probably one episode at a time.

Yes he did. A higher receive level usually produces a lower transmit level as the modem has less trouble pushing through the attenuation to communicate with the headend, so it doesn't have to "shout" to be heard. Every time you boot a modem it goes though a ranging process where it adjusts it's transmit level based on a signal from the headend that tells it how well it's being heard.
So, if my receive power level is -8.5, and my transmit power level is 34.5 and everything seems to be working OK, should I be concerned and have TWC come out to check things out?

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure WFMJ and WKBN are still operating exactly at the level they were before June 12th.

I think one or both will move the antenna off the side and to the top, but A) I'm not sure about that and B) if they will, it hasn't happened yet.

Meanwhile, TiVo/Tribune Media Services decided I don't get to watch MLB Network anymore on SD 326. How does this stuff happen?

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure WFMJ and WKBN are still operating exactly at the level they were before June 12th.

I think one or both will move the antenna off the side and to the top, but A) I'm not sure about that and B) if they will, it hasn't happened yet.

Meanwhile, TiVo/Tribune Media Services decided I don't get to watch MLB Network anymore on SD 326. How does this stuff happen?
Incompetent. How did Tribune Media decide that Palladia was replaced by Biography HD?

I will call it in tomorrow. I wonder if they changed anything else?

Come to think about it I called in on MLB net when it first came on 326. I hate this crap.

UNBELIEVABLE!!! I was just about to say I do not have a digital tuner. Just for s--ts and giggles I decided to try scanning the tuner on my HDTV. I connected a cheapy pair of rabbit ears from an old TV(the kind that have the little post on the bottom that mounts on the back of the TV). After the scan I can now get WKYC 3.1 3.2, WEWS 5.1, WDLI 17.1 17.2 17.3 17.4, WVPX 23.1 23.2 23.3, WVIZ 25.1 25.2 25.3, WEAO 49.1 49.2 49.3, WBNX 55.1, WQHS 61.1 all with the rabbit ears. Picture is choppy on some channels(as I only have 50-60 signal strength). But I was able to pull 75% on WEWS. I'll have to try the line from my old roof antenna to see how that works out.

Maybe I'll go buy an indoor HDTV antenna!! I'm very excited now!! :D:D:D

I had already written off my TV tuner as not working at all.

I can't get 8 or 19, which doesn't surprise me. I also can't get 43.1 or the "new" channel 47.1 which did surprise me.

Does anyone think it would be possible to get WFMJ or WKBN with an indoor antenna in Akron? I know WKBN is supposed to be strong, as I've read comments at OMW from those who cannot get WOIO but can get WKBN.

So, if my receive power level is -8.5, and my transmit power level is 34.5 and everything seems to be working OK, should I be concerned and have TWC come out to check things out?

-8.5 on the receive side sounds a tad low. It's still well within industry specs but you don't have much fade margin there.

I adjusted my antenna and rescanned. I now get WJW, WUAB and WRLM?. Still no WOIO, but I don't think I'll ever get that-makes me very happy!!

Some thoughts: I'm impressed with the picture quality. The OTA picture really does look better than the cable. I'd have to watch a program with lots of fast action to be 100% sure but the picture looks much more clear.

Can there be any more fncking religion channels? Seriously, channel 17 has 5 subchannels, plus theres one on WVPX AND that WRLM channel is another religious channel. I think that sends a very bad message about our TV market. :eek:

WJW needs to move back to RF 31, NOW!!!!! That VHF stuff is s--t. I have to stand on my head with the antenna in my mouth to get a watchable signal on that channel. I'd really like to know why WJW committed DTV suicide by going back to VHF. We've always made fun of WOIO for being on VHF, why would anyone choose that downgrade?

Shame on the Cleveland stations for not even getting to Stark County in digital. Used to get them all easily in analog.

Using a preamp?
I'm in North Canton and get all the UHF Cleveland stations most of the time...
lower level apartment with an amplified antenna inside shooting thru a northern brick wall... weak signals and lots of multipath at this location, most of the analogs were unwatchable but the digitals work pretty good... -Ed

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The fact that you can't pick up WOIO and WJW is not surprising as they are VHS.

Wait a minute, you mean WOIO and WJW are now broadcasting on analog videotape? :p:p Now I'm not surprised I can't get them! ;)

I'm a little surprised you can't get WKYC.

I can get WKYC in Akron at ~ 70% signal strength with cheapo rabbit ears and a rusty rooftop antenna.

WKYC and WEWS are both very solid at about 60-70 signal strength. Both PBS work great, WBNX is a little more trouble.

The thing that really pisses me off is WVPX is macroblocking like hell at 60-70. On 23.2 I had macroblocking and freezing at 78%. I'm in Akron and the damn tower for WVPX is in Akron!! :mad::mad::mad:

So long as you can get the 4 networks though what does it matter if it's Cleveland or Youngstown. Heck I think I'd prefer Youngstown.:)

I wish I could get Youngstown channels. The NBC station would have been great tonight plus I don't think I will ever see WJW or WOIO OTA ever---WKBN takes care of both right there.

So long as you can get the 4 networks though what does it matter if it's Cleveland or Youngstown. Heck I think I'd prefer Youngstown.:)

There are some key differences depending on the networks that could give a preference to one DMA over another. For me it is the following:

NBC for example; During primetime shows on WFMJ when they needed to run any overlay it would automatically cut back to windowboxed SD crap. This used to be a terribly regular occurence every single week earlier on in the year. WKYC has the equipment and budget to keep it on the HD realm.

WKYC does the occasional cleveland indians game in HD OTA.

WJW seems to be a hit or miss thing so many people even farther west towards Akron and western cleveland would prefer getting 27DT just to have fox even if their DMA is technically cleveland.

It's all really a personal preference as it has always been even before the DTV transition mess. I still primarily record all my local programming on the cleveland stations. Especially WKYC for the first note above. Even if they run like weather alerts and crawls, it's a small price to pay not to have the programming sent back to ugly 480i land.

You're forgetting one thing Chat: Youngstown doesn't have the same weather people Cleveland does. That alone would make me prefer WYTV over WEWS. There's even times I wish we still had WAKC just to avoid WEWS and their stupid weather man and stupid local programming.

WFMJ wins over WKYC any day. WFMJ respects NBC programming and doesn't dump it in favor of the Indians or other crap.

WKBN wins over WOIO just for the fact it is not WOIO.

UNBELIEVABLE!!! I was just about to say I do not have a digital tuner. Just for s--ts and giggles I decided to try scanning the tuner on my HDTV. I connected a cheapy pair of rabbit ears from an old TV(the kind that have the little post on the bottom that mounts on the back of the TV). After the scan I can now get WKYC 3.1 3.2, WEWS 5.1, WDLI 17.1 17.2 17.3 17.4, WVPX 23.1 23.2 23.3, WVIZ 25.1 25.2 25.3, WEAO 49.1 49.2 49.3, WBNX 55.1, WQHS 61.1 all with the rabbit ears. Picture is choppy on some channels(as I only have 50-60 signal strength). But I was able to pull 75% on WEWS. I'll have to try the line from my old roof antenna to see how that works out.

Maybe I'll go buy an indoor HDTV antenna!! I'm very excited now!! :D:D:D

I had already written off my TV tuner as not working at all.

I can't get 8 or 19, which doesn't surprise me. I also can't get 43.1 or the "new" channel 47.1 which did surprise me.

Does anyone think it would be possible to get WFMJ or WKBN with an indoor antenna in Akron? I know WKBN is supposed to be strong, as I've read comments at OMW from those who cannot get WOIO but can get WKBN.

If your old rooftop TV antenna is still in good electrical condition, it will easily outperform any indoor antenna. And don't fall for the "HDTV antenna" crapola. Where you are in Akron will determine whether or not you'll be able to receive WKBN and WFMJ. Regardless, it is improbable that you'll receive the Youngstown stations with an indoor antenna unless you're on high ground with an unobstructed eastward view.

I have to agree with salemtubes. With the right conditions I can pull in WKYC here in Warren with just this old 20+ year old outdoor UHF/VHF antenna good enough that I have a stable picture some times. And that is with my dandy splicing job and old RG59 with small nicks in the outer shield at a few spots. I even get enough of a blip from WJW for it to at least pop up in the channel list during scans. I even get 52 analog out of Toledo enough to be watchable with moderate static. And anyone who lives here knows what a beating these things will be taking over the years from all the weather. Even the UHF/VHF combiner at the tip of the tower is really rusted with the screw connections wide open to the elements. I consider this quite a feat really considering what I have to deal with.

WKBN/WYFX you should be able to pull in easy with enough signal for a stable lock. They are the major powerhouse here (ever since my antenna upgrade, I'm a solid 100% 24/7 even through changing weather conditions.). WFMJ so-so. Try your luck. 33 of course is dead to everyone except those living in downtown Y-town until they finally get around to bumping up their Tx power.

I'm surprised though you don't pick up 45 currently there. Or did you just omit that in light of WEAO? Unless I am mistaken you should be sitting right on top of it there. Or at the very least have a better shot at it than, say, I would?

anything new on any new HD Channels being added at the end of June or sometime in July...

or are we done for a while ???

trying to think of whats left out there to be added...

anything new on any new HD Channels being added at the end of June or sometime in July...

or are we done for a while ???

trying to think of whats left out there to be added...

Well the actual promise we got was at least 5 HD channels every month through 2009. While I am not holding my breath with concerns to the recent news (nothing being added through Jul 25th), there are a lot of wording loopholes TWC has here. Number one: By 'every month' they mean a literal month where they have satisfied the additions for June and now have July to worry about and could add new channels anytime up to the 31st. Secondly between of carriage negotiations and contracts, there may not be anything posted till the very last minute.

Overall: We can't really tell. Though given the past and with the selection of channels we have currently, I'm not getting too worried. About the only channels off the top of my head I could really care for now are MSNBC and the Weather Channel both in HD.

Well the actual promise we got was at least 5 HD channels every month through 2009. While I am not holding my breath with concerns to the recent news (nothing being added through Jul 25th), there are a lot of wording loopholes TWC has here. Number one: By 'every month' they mean a literal month where they have satisfied the additions for June and now have July to worry about and could add new channels anytime up to the 31st. Secondly between of carriage negotiations and contracts, there may not be anything posted till the very last minute.

Overall: We can't really tell. Though given the past and with the selection of channels we have currently, I'm not getting too worried. About the only channels off the top of my head I could really care for now are MSNBC and the Weather Channel both in HD.

I'd like to know where this supposed promise was made? Who made it, Mr. Jassoe? I don't think he meant 5 channels a month forever.

I think TW will add on some additional channels as soon as they raise our rates first for justifications.

How are we doing compared to Columbus, does anybody know?

TWC MidOhio aka Columbus has 42 HD Channels minus Premiums and locals
in case you were wondering only HBO HD Starz HD Cinemax HD and Showtime HD so they are basically like TWCNEO


714 CNN HD
715 Fox News Channel HD
717 CNBC HD
722 ESPN News HD
723 ESPNU HD
725 MLB Network HD
740 Travel Channel HD
743 BIO HD
744 Bravo HD
747 FX HD
748 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
749 LMN HD
750 HD Theater
751 TNT HD
752 Sports Time Ohio HD
753 FSN Ohio HD
754 Versus HD
755 FSN Ohio HD Alternate
756 SPEED HD
757 Big Ten Network HD
758 The Golf Channel HD
759 TBS in HD
760 USA HD
761 National Geographic HD
762 Discovery Channel HD
763 Science Channel HD
764 Food Network HD
765 TLC HD
766 A&E HD
767 History HD
768 HGTV HD
769 Animal Planet HD
770 Disney HD
771 Disney XD HD
772 ABC Family HD
773 Sci Fi HD
774 Palladia HD
775 MGM HD
780 Universal HD
781 Smithsonian Channel HD
782 MavTV HD
785 ESPN-HD
786 ESPN2 HD

Doesn't look a whole heck of a lot different then what we currently get. I saw an extra Disney channel and Biography. That appears to be the only difference really unless I missed something.

I think that's about all we're going to get people. Geeze, no Spike HD? MSNBC, are they even broadcasting in HD?

I didn't think they were going HD until End of June or July...can't remember where I heard it from ..

maybe someone else has more information on this channel

MSNBC will go HD on Monday June 29. Considering we have FAUX, CNN and CNBC, it only makes sense that we should get MSNBC as well.

Thing is now that a new channel launched, we have to deal with the usual red tape of TWC "making a deal" with the provider. Word is only Dish Network will carry MSNBC HD from the start on 6/29. MSNBC is supposed to be a known done deal with TWC, but I haven't heard anything about it launching anywhere soon. TWC has several channels on their current done deal list that are available in limited areas.

If your old rooftop TV antenna is still in good electrical condition, it will easily outperform any indoor antenna. And don't fall for the "HDTV antenna" crapola. Where you are in Akron will determine whether or not you'll be able to receive WKBN and WFMJ. Regardless, it is improbable that you'll receive the Youngstown stations with an indoor antenna unless you're on high ground with an unobstructed eastward view.

I'm in the northern part of town. I used to be able to get 21 with fuzzy picture and 27, although not as well as 21. 33 never came in, ever.

My rooftop antenna is a piece of crap, many of the metal pieces have fallen off over the years and it is very rusty. I've had better luck with the rabbit ears than the rooftop. That's about all I know about it as I'm not daring enough to climb up and look at it. ;) I'm not very optimistic about the Youngstown stations since my TV is on the west side of the house, nowhere near the windows on the east side.

I have to agree with salemtubes. With the right conditions I can pull in WKYC here in Warren with just this old 20+ year old outdoor UHF/VHF antenna good enough that I have a stable picture some times. And that is with my dandy splicing job and old RG59 with small nicks in the outer shield at a few spots. I even get enough of a blip from WJW for it to at least pop up in the channel list during scans.

I couldn't get WJW when I scanned with the antenna, but with the rabbit ears in one position I had the channel 8-1 in the channel list, although it never worked. WOIO has been missing always.

Sad thing is my inside wiring is in better shape. There are two boxes with terminals in the basement for the VHF and UHF wires. There I have a 75/300 ohm balun with a single coax cable coming out of it to the TV. I might try a different cable line since I'm currently using an old TWC line.

I even get 52 analog out of Toledo enough to be watchable with moderate static. And anyone who lives here knows what a beating these things will be taking over the years from all the weather. Even the UHF/VHF combiner at the tip of the tower is really rusted with the screw connections wide open to the elements. I consider this quite a feat really considering what I have to deal with.

WKBN/WYFX you should be able to pull in easy with enough signal for a stable lock. They are the major powerhouse here (ever since my antenna upgrade, I'm a solid 100% 24/7 even through changing weather conditions.). WFMJ so-so. Try your luck. 33 of course is dead to everyone except those living in downtown Y-town until they finally get around to bumping up their Tx power.

Your antenna must be in better shape. Mine has had pieces falling off in the occasional summer wind storms. I've found metal rods laying by the side of the house a few times.

I'm surprised though you don't pick up 45 currently there. Or did you just omit that in light of WEAO? Unless I am mistaken you should be sitting right on top of it there. Or at the very least have a better shot at it than, say, I would?

I didn't get WNEO. Tonight I did another rescan and WJW and WOIO showed up in my list, but I lost WVIZ. WJW had a watchable picture momentarily, until I slightly moved the antenna while looking at WOIO, which never worked. WKYC and WEWS have been my strongest channels. WVPX is my worst, which is surprising considering the tower is so close. Even with a signal of 57 - 61(out of 100) I don;t have a watchable picture. It even jumped to 61 and it was still a mess.