Originally posted by paule123


I would think 19/43's "Let's turn the contrast up to 11!" newscast would be a great example of what *not* to do in broadcast engineering school. Absolute worst PQ. [/B]


Yeah, thats nasty looking.

Originally posted by handsworth
The pass thru option is a setting that automatically formats the picture size on your TV. No need to go into the settings when switching back and forth from 480 to 720 to 1080. Full screen automatically. The 8000hd has a DVI output which is inactive now. The 8300HD does not have a DVI. It has the HDMI output in which an adapter is needed to connect to the TV's DVI. I was not sure that the VCR out plugs were enabled on the 800HD. I was told that there were software issues still.

OK, thanks for the info on the pass thru. I can tell you for certain that the VCR outplugs do work on the 8000hd. I've used it several times now. You still did not mention if you were certain the HDMI output is active on your 8300HD. If it is please let us know that certainly is something I'd be interested in.

Originally posted by paule123
I would think 19/43's "Let's turn the contrast up to 11!" newscast would be a great example of what *not* to do in broadcast engineering school. Absolute worst PQ.

Oh, agreed!! Absolutely awful PQ to go with an awful on-air product. Kinda fits, doesn't it?

3, 5 and 8 all look pretty good for SD quality. If any of 'em do news in HD, keep in mind that they'd either A) have to put in HD field cams or B) upconvert the SD cams.

OK, so finding out that Adelphia does have the 8300 available in our area I called customer service this morning to find out about availability. Once I explained what it was I was looking for she said she wanted to check, came back to the phone and said she would call the Macedonia office for me.

After a bit of a wait she returned to the phone and said she called Macedonia and they had them in stock I could go down and pick one up.

I went into the Macedonia office and explained why I was there. I told them that CS had called them and they confirmed they had them in stock. The lady at the front desk said no one had called them. I said well, perhaps they didn't speak with you but they spoke with somebody here. She called back to her warehouse and of course, nobody had spoken to anybody. They couldn't help me.

This is the third time this has happened to me. I completely lost it and told them that their customer service sucked, why would someone lie to me? It didn't make sense. I began to use a couple of "G.D.s" in the course of my tirade (carefully avoiding all other types of language, but I was pissed and I wanted them to know it) when some guy behind me told me to watch my language. Well, then he got some language (called him an a## wipe) and told him to mind his own business. At this point some lady came from somewhere because him and I were heating it up and mentioned calling the cops if we didn't calm down. I said you probably have it on your speed dial with the kind of service this company gives, but I did cool it by then and she made a call and told me that she will have a unit for me there by tomorrow in the afternoon.

You know this could be so avoidable if we simply could call the local office ourselves. I don't believe the girl I talked to at CS lied to me and I don't think anyone at their office lied but the miscommunication at this place is unbelievable.

Well, I'll probably go pick up the 8300 tomorrow. The only reason I want it is because from what I'm reading on SA's web site is the HDMI appears to be active. In a way the delay is good because it will give me a chance to archive some of my shows so I don't loose everything.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Oh, the last words I said to them as I left was it's no wonder this company is being bought out.:)

Originally posted by hookbill
I completely lost it

Not that unusual! My final insult from Adelphia was when I went to the Severance office to return my cable box (changing from Adelphia to WOW). Maybe 2 people in line in front of me. I stood there for a good half hour I would guess. Most of the delay was due to an elderly russian gentleman who had completely lost it on the stone-faced CSR behind the counter. The police almost had to be called on that one too.

Did anyone have a problem picking up Channel 3's OTA digital signal last night? I got a new LG OTA tuner/receiver and couldn't pick it up at all. I don't know if it's the tuner or if it was the station.

My neighbor has TWC and his volume can't be turned up loud enough for him to hear very well. He has an HDTV digital cable box and uses the tv's speakers. Does anyone know if the box has an internal volume that might solve his problem?

Thx,
Tom

Originally posted by Tom in OH
My neighbor has TWC and his volume can't be turned up loud enough for him to hear very well. He has an HDTV digital cable box and uses the tv's speakers. Does anyone know if the box has an internal volume that might solve his problem?

Thx,
Tom

On my box the level is fixed. There is no option for volume. Tom, without knowing the TV it's difficult to say what else he can do. Buying a home theater helps.:) But if that isn't an option maybe something he can switch in his TV options. My Sony has several different options for sound that make it sound louder (and better).

Well, when I'm wrong I'll admit it. After I posted the above I started thinking about it and I wasn't sure about the "fixed" volume in the box.

Yes there should be something in his settings to adjust the volume. He can change it from fixed to variable. Now on my box there is an arrow key on the front panel that will allow you to raise the level. It goes up to 30 (which is where mine was). Have your friend give that a try.

Originally posted by hookbill
On my box the level is fixed. There is no option for volume. Tom, without knowing the TV it's difficult to say what else he can do. Buying a home theater helps.:) But if that isn't an option maybe something he can switch in his TV options. My Sony has several different options for sound that make it sound louder (and better).

This was my first thought as well, that he should find a digital receiver and hook up external speakers but he just isn't into it. He called the cable company and they had no clue why the volume was so low. They replaced the box which made no difference. We have a Sony also and at night it can be heard without a problem using only 2 or 3 pegs of volume.

I'll check his Mitsubishi's sound options as you suggest and see if that helps.

Thx, Tom

Originally posted by hookbill
Well, when I'm wrong I'll admit it. After I posted the above I started thinking about it and I wasn't sure about the "fixed" volume in the box.

Yes there should be something in his settings to adjust the volume. He can change it from fixed to variable. Now on my box there is an arrow key on the front panel that will allow you to raise the level. It goes up to 30 (which is where mine was). Have your friend give that a try.

Hi,
just found your next post. This is what I'm hoping for - somewhere on the box that will raise or lower the sound level before it reaches the tv. I suspect the internal volume is set low due to most people using the digital optical output on digital HD cable boxes. My neighbor's using the analog outs directly to the Mitsi.

Thx again, I'll post any good news.

Tom

Originally posted by bslep
Did anyone have a problem picking up Channel 3's OTA digital signal last night? I got a new LG OTA tuner/receiver and couldn't pick it up at all. I don't know if it's the tuner or if it was the station.

It's been troublesome here also for about a month. You may be right that the LG has a different sensitivity than another HD tuner. How was your reception from 3-1 before instaling the LG?

I'm having trouble picking up WKYC-DT even in the usual places I've been able to get it (like on a ladder in the middle of my condo's loft).

WKYC-DT and WOIO-DT are the two weakest stations in the market, likely owing to their VHF placements.

Tom, I have no trouble picking up Channel 3 with my Zenith HD 520. The signal is actually good and I rarely experience drop-outs. It's so puzzling. With the LG, the signal is next to nothing. The seller of the LG was good enough to let me try it before I bought it, so I'm sticking with the Zenith. I'm so disappointed because I really wanted an HD DVR recorder.

We have the Zenith SAT-520 also and discovered the sensitivity closely matches the Directv HR10-250 DVR.

You must get good reception then. I am using mine for OTA only and bought it second hand because of all of the positive things I read about the sensitivity of the tuner. I was not disappointed. It does the best job of pulling in signals of any tuner I've had and it also has the best picture.

Originally posted by handsworth
Adelphia (Cleveland area), is releasing the new SA8300HD STB now. It is not available at all payment windows yet but give them a few days. It has a new smaller design with better HD and DVR functions. I picked one up Friday and am giving it a workout.

1. the pass thru function is back
2. the remote sucks
3. transfer to VCR is enabled
4. 8300HD has HDMI, optical, coax, sata and EEE1394 ports. ( I can only verify the coax output as operational at this time).
5. delivers both SD and HD simultaneously
6. front LED displays time, format and "HDTV" signal
7. front composite inputs but not active yet.
8. cannot confirm if multi room features are enabled.

I swapped my 8000hd for this one strictly for the pass -thru option. I do have one complaint though. You can set the box up in HD mode by pressing the guide and info buttons and going through the wizard, however when you turn off the box for about 1/2 hour, it reverts back to SD mode. Does anyone know how to permanently keep it HD mode? I will keep you informed on the status of the ports as I find out.



I just picked this box up and first let me tell everyonethe the HDMI connection is working!

Even the standard definition channels look much cleaner.

When I did the set up it did not give me the pass thru option because I hooked up the HDMI. It instead it gives an Auto HDMI/DVI option. I haven't turned off my set long enough to find out if it stays active, I'll follow up on this.

OK, don't everybody run out and get this thing yet. I'm having the same problem handsworth was having. When you shut it off it defaults to 480i and you have to reprogram it. Even when you don't program it for 480i.

My box is working fine now, It stays in HD mode. I believe I might have gotten a download sometime saturday night or early sunday morning. My software ver. is SARA 1.85.14.a2

Originally posted by handsworth
My box is working fine now, It stays in HD mode. I believe I might have gotten a download sometime saturday night or early sunday morning. My software ver. is SARA 1.85.14.a2

Yes, my version is 1.85.14.2. Seems like I don't have that "A" grade.

Other observations. If I switch viewing (TV 1, 2 etc.) screens the box defaults back to 480i. I've noticed that if I shut it off at the machine instead of using the remote control it does NOT default back to 480i. I haven't tried this for an extended period of time.

I hope it comes soon. It's a bit of a pain right now, and I'm not a very patient person.:) I've even had thoughts about calling Adelphia about this but then I thought about what kind of trouble and grief that will cause me so I'll just wait.:)

FYI, my SA8000HD on WOW has developed a chronic audio dropout problem on all the channels in the HD tier (the 200 series channels). I've had sporadic audio dropouts before, mostly Fox DD5.1, but this is on all HD channels across the board and very regular, like every second tick tick tick dropouts. The HD's have been unwatchable the past couple days. Analog channels 1-99 and the SD digitals 300 and up audio is fine.

Time to call WOW and get this thing swapped out (at least I can bug them for a 160GB model, this one is a lame 80GB anyway)

I didn't know there were two different hd in the 8000. Definitly sounds like a box issue though.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hookbill
[B]I just picked this box up and first let me tell everyone the HDMI connection is working!

Hi, sorry to bother with novice question.
What is the difference between DVI and HDMI? I have DVI connection cable but not HDMI. Fortunately, my TV has both connections. Do I need a new cable for enabling HD8300 HDMI connection?

DVI is for Digital Video Interface for connecting analog to digital. HDMI is high definition multimedia interface and it provides an interface to both audio and video sources. To use this port on the HD 8300 you will need a HDMI to HDMI cable. If you have an HDMI port on your tv that should be all you need. It won't hook up to a DVI port.

You can also purchase a HDMI to DVI adapter at any reputable A/V retailer for about $30. But hold onto your cash until that port is active. Talked to SA today and they said it would be active with update SARA 1.85.3.1. No ETA as of now.

Hey Guys,

Could you please tell me when the SA 8000HD boxes DVI output will be activated for Time Warner in Columbia SC?

Thanks,
Mark

Given that this is a thread for Cleveland, Ohio, I don't think we would have any way to know that.

oh, Duh... I got in the wrong post...sorry...lol

Watched Smallville last night on channel 20-2 from Youngstown. PQ was very good - much better than what I can get from analog channel 55 in Cleveland. Also since my antenna was pointed in that direction I recorded Lost from channel 36-1. When I played it back I noticed that the sound is Dolby Digital 5.1. Looks like there is not much reason to watch 15-1 in Cleveland anymore. They seem to have no interest in upgrading their audio to 5.1. Anyone know when the CBS affiliate in Youngstown will start broadcasting digitally? Hopefully they will have 5.1 audio also.
Steve

handsworth, I would like to get in touch with SA. My software version is the same as yours and I'm still having stabelization problems. Can you either pm or e mail me at hookbill@adelphia.net with the info?

I think its time for us to all call WEWS and WOIO and ask when they will upgrade to 5.1 sound.
I gave up hope long ago about WBNX. Have they ever even gone to MTS stereo? They were (and might still be) the only area station broadcasting in mono.

I've noticed that the signal strength of WEWS-DT has decreased significantly in the last few days here in Canton, OH. Does anyone know why?

Originally posted by TLaz
I've noticed that the signal strength of WEWS-DT has decreased significantly in the last few days here in Canton, OH. Does anyone know why?

I just managed to get a lock on WEWS-DT on my indoor antenna in northwest Akron. I don't know for sure, but it seems that the highest signal I'm getting is reduced from what I can normally squeeze out of WEWS-DT. My STB doesn't have a percentage indicator, but the signal indicator bar for WEWS-DT 15 is normally closer to full. Still, it's a solid enough signal for a full lock, at least here.

Update: TitanTV is now listing WVIZ-DT in Adelphia's HD lineup, on channel 710.

Of course, it isn't actually LIVE yet, but they apparently think it's coming.

Finally got Comcast HDTV box (Motorola 6208) last week. Pretty much blown away -- first experience with HDTV. Everything else just seems so ordinary.

Right now I am running the cable box to Z2 projector thru component. Would DVI cable be an improvement? The cable guy said it would but I'd be more interested in what the folks on this board think.

Thanks,

CWZ

I haven't noticed a problem with WEWS, but I have lost Fox 8 for the last few days -- missed the first half of The O.C. because my Tivo recorded five minues of scattered pixels and then "looking for signal."
Has anyone had a problem with Fox 8 via OTA, or is it just me?
I thought that when the leaves fell off the trees the OTA signal was supposed to get better, not worse. I've been using OTA since April, but I didn't have a problem with Fox 8 until the World Series, when I started to see some pixelation and skipping. For the last few days it won't come in at all (just in time for their fall season to start). I haven't seen any change in the other OTA channels I receive.
Jim

Originally posted by gnalmij
I haven't noticed a problem with WEWS, but I have lost Fox 8 for the last few days -- missed the first half of The O.C. because my Tivo recorded five minues of scattered pixels and then "looking for signal."
Has anyone had a problem with Fox 8 via OTA, or is it just me?
I thought that when the leaves fell off the trees the OTA signal was supposed to get better, not worse. I've been using OTA since April, but I didn't have a problem with Fox 8 until the World Series, when I started to see some pixelation and skipping. For the last few days it won't come in at all (just in time for their fall season to start). I haven't seen any change in the other OTA channels I receive.
Jim


No problems with WJW, same strength OTA here in Canton.

No problems getting locks on WJW-DT or WOIO-DT, but I have to move the antenna for some reason! I lost my lock on WOIO-DT when I moved the antenna around for WJW (mixed VHF/UHF amplified indoor), and could not duplicate the former position, but moved the antenna on top of my couch (!) and get nearly a full signal on WOIO-DT.

I can't get anything out of WEWS-DT this afternoon. It must be fully down, as there's now nothing on Adelphia's feed on 705 either.

I may be moving next year, and one possible location is Streetsboro. As far as I can tell, they're covered by Time Warner Cable.

Anyone here subscribe to TWC? What are your opinions of their HD service?

Thanks in advance!

I don't have it, but TWC is supposedly pretty good. I have seen their HD service at the houses of my sisters (both have it, one sister's husband works for TWCNEO!) and it looked OK to me, but I didn't go through the lineup or anything.

Somewhere earlier on this thread, there's a comparison between the TWCNEO lineup and Adelphia's. I think they were basically even, now that TWC nationwide has added ESPNHD.

Oh, BTW....WEWS-DT is back both OTA and on Adelphia.

Originally posted by Inundated
Update: TitanTV is now listing WVIZ-DT in Adelphia's HD lineup, on channel 710.

Of course, it isn't actually LIVE yet, but they apparently think it's coming.

I spotted that a few days ago, but they still haven't got local hd channels listed yet. I sent an email to them about it and they said it should be on there in about a week.

I thought I'd give you guys another update on the performance of the 8300.

First, it apparently has received some sort of update because it does not revert back to 480i. The auto feature with HDMI is working fine. It chooses the proper HD signals automatically.

I've noticed when I put on any of the music channels it is choosing 480p, which makes sense because the picture on these channels are sort of like slides.

The notice that a recording is going to take place is much shorter then on the 8000 hd. I lke this as I thougt it was annoying to have it on there for such a long time.

Although I haven't had it for a full week yet it appears that this unit is more reliable at holding on to "record each episode" info. On my 8000 HD it would seem to drop certain shows for no apparent reason. I constantly had to double check it.

All and all this machine is much better then the 8000 HD (except the first couple of days while waiting the update). For those of you in the area I recommend calling Adelphia and see about switching to one of these.

Originally posted by hookbill
I thought I'd give you guys another update on the performance of the 8300.

First, it apparently has received some sort of update because it does not revert back to 480i. The auto feature with HDMI is working fine. It chooses the proper HD signals automatically.

I've noticed when I put on any of the music channels it is choosing 480p, which makes sense because the picture on these channels are sort of like slides.

The notice that a recording is going to take place is much shorter then on the 8000 hd. I lke this as I thougt it was annoying to have it on there for such a long time.

Although I haven't had it for a full week yet it appears that this unit is more reliable at holding on to "record each episode" info. On my 8000 HD it would seem to drop certain shows for no apparent reason. I constantly had to double check it.

All and all this machine is much better then the 8000 HD (except the first couple of days while waiting the update). For those of you in the area I recommend calling Adelphia and see about switching to one of these.

Thank you for the update. I've changed to 8300 on Thursday, connected with HDMI-DVI cable, and played around several days. It still goes back to 480i in the morning. Using "setting", it no longer shows choices of 1080i or 480i. Second window of "setting" has choices of auto, fixed, upconvert 1 & 2. I tried auto and fixed, but still goes back to 480i next morning. What shall I do? I don't know if the software is updated.
PQ in FOX-HD football game (Pitt vs. Phylly) was quite grainy, but Brown's game was great. Is it because FOX uses 720p format or sunlight effect?
I'm waiting for HDMI - HDMI cable. Does it help PQ and audio quality?
Thank you again.

Originally posted by oldavnut
Thank you for the update. I've changed to 8300 on Thursday, connected with HDMI-DVI cable, and played around several days. It still goes back to 480i in the morning. Using "setting", it no longer shows choices of 1080i or 480i. Second window of "setting" has choices of auto, fixed, upconvert 1 & 2. I tried auto and fixed, but still goes back to 480i next morning. What shall I do? I don't know if the software is updated.
PQ in FOX-HD football game (Pitt vs. Phylly) was quite grainy, but Brown's game was great. Is it because FOX uses 720p format or sunlight effect?
I'm waiting for HDMI - HDMI cable. Does it help PQ and audio quality?
Thank you again.

The reason it goes back to 480i is because your still waiting for a firmware update. Just what that update is I'm not sure because I don't see any changes in the actual SARA software, but on Friday afternoon my box stabalized. Just be patient it should fix itself. I spoke with a rep at Scientific Atlanta and they told me about the firmeware update. In the meantime you will need each morning to do the setup. You don't have to go through every screen just do the first screen and it should work. Also don't use your remote to turn it on turn it on at the machine.

You don't need to get an HDMI - HDMI cable unless you want your sound going through the same cable and coming out of your TV, and even then only if your TV is Dolby ready. Mine isn't but I don't have a DVI on my TV just HDMI.

I watched Pittsburg vs Philadelphia on Sunday and my pq was excellent. Both FOX and ESPN use 720p so that shouldn't make any difference so I can't tell you what was up with that. ABC also uses 720p.

Don't bother calling Adelphia, as they will have no idea what your talking about and send someone out who will probably just change your box.

Originally posted by Chip Z
Finally got Comcast HDTV box (Motorola 6208) last week. Pretty much blown away -- first experience with HDTV. Everything else just seems so ordinary.

Right now I am running the cable box to Z2 projector thru component. Would DVI cable be an improvement? The cable guy said it would but I'd be more interested in what the folks on this board think.

Thanks,

CWZ

The answer re DVI being an improvement is "maybe". I've seen other people complain the DVI was actually worse than component, colors washed out, etc. I think it depends on the STB and display combo.

I for one will never know since my NEC 42VP4 ED plasma (all of a year old) isn't HDCP compliant and won't display an HD res DVI input. I guess the geniuses at NEC figured since an ED plasma technically can't display full HD resolution, why bother adding another $5 of electronics to a $3000 display to make it HDCP compatible. I beleive this is true of most if not all ED displays from other manufacturers as well. Oh well....

Does anybody know of a good component switch that works. I have an AA1154 but I keep loosing the HD signals from the Comcast cable box. It won't auto switch between my Sony OTA box and the Comcast DVR box. At times the Comcast DVR box signal just goes black. Connecting the Comcast box directly to the TV works ok. Unfortunately I only have one HD component input on the TV and need a switch that works. Any Suggestions..

wfwiles,

Try INDAY.COM
I've have their 4 in 1 out component switcher with remote control, and it works great. It has very high bandwith and no visiable picture loss. I'm in my third year with this unit, and never a problem.

Hope this helpes,
Ben Music

I spoke with WEWS engineering and their exciter has been broken for about a week. They said the exciter drives the amplifier tubes and that could be why signal strength is down. Mine went from 100 to 63-77. I live in Bath. Does this make sense.

Originally posted by Inundated
Update: TitanTV is now listing WVIZ-DT in Adelphia's HD lineup, on channel 710.

Of course, it isn't actually LIVE yet, but they apparently think it's coming.

WVIZ #710 and Discovery Theater #776 debuts 11/29. My sources also say that Adelphia is in serious negotiations with Bravo and TNT. ESPN2HD is slated for 2005. Nothing new on CBS

Bravo is re-organizing their HD channel:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/variety/20041109/va_tv_ne/nbc_u_s_titles_fill_hd_web_1

Originally posted by handsworth
WVIZ #710 and Discovery Theater #776 debuts 11/29. My sources also say that Adelphia is in serious negotiations with Bravo and TNT. ESPN2HD is slated for 2005. Nothing new on CBS

And as much as I love to blame Adelphia, this doesn't appear to be their fault (re: WOIO). I wish someone would buy WOIO/WUAB from Raycom!

Originally posted by Inundated
And as much as I love to blame Adelphia, this doesn't appear to be their fault (re: WOIO). I wish someone would buy WOIO/WUAB from Raycom!

I blame them anyways.:) Just out of curiosity I took a look at the listings for the area I use to live in (Northern KY) to see what was available on Insight Cable. Sure enough Raycom, which owns FOX 19 in that area is not listed on the HD channels.

WoW however does carry WOIO. So if they can why not Adelphia?

I don't know if this is redundant info, and my apologies if it is. But here are the stations I was able to pull in off of Time Warner NEO's (Canton/Stark County) cable system last night on my Samsung SIR-T451:

Station/Network/Channel#(signal type)

WKYC/NBC/80.1 (HD) 80.2 (SD) 80.3 (Weather Radar)
WEAO-WNEO/PBS/80.4 (HD) 80.5 (SD)
WEWS/ABC/104.1 (HD)
WJW/FOX/104.2 (HD)
NA/HDNET/111.1 (HD)
NA/HDNET Movies 111.2 (HD)
NA/INHD/114.1 (HD)
NA/INHD2/114.2 (HD)
NA/FUEL/115.2 (SD)
NA/DISCOVERY HD/117.2 (HD)
NA/TNT HD/120.2 (HD)

I'm a standard package subscriber, so I literally just put the STB in the cable loop and started searching. There were a couple of other channels I found but deleted (like a shopping channel and an NBA Pass preview channel). All the signals are good, with the exception of TNT and HDNET. HDNET seems to pixilate quite a bit before 8PM, and TNT HD has been in and out (but it seems to be a coding issue, not a signal strength issue).

I found the same signals plus a few more preview channels earlier in the week using an LG LST-3510. However, the LG would not pass audio on TNT or Fuel, and it frequently pixilated on all channels (the signal strength would drop off and return quickly, on all channels).

Welcome to the board grayta! I still haven't received my 4200A yet :(

grayta,
Re the SIR-T451 -- according to the specs it only has 1 RF input? So you have to swap coax cables to switch between cable QAM and OTA ?

Where did you buy it at?

Is the Samsung better at OTA reception than the LG ?

Thanks.

Originally posted by paule123
grayta,
Re the SIR-T451 -- according to the specs it only has 1 RF input? So you have to swap coax cables to switch between cable QAM and OTA ?

Where did you buy it at?

Is the Samsung better at OTA reception than the LG ?

Thanks.

One RF input, so you'll have to either swap cables or put a splitter in front of it.

Buy.com, $242 delivered (edit: looks like they are out of stock now).

I haven't tried OTA yet (that's a project for this weekend), sorry.

Yesterday I went to tvguide.com to see how their listings look. They have a link on the page for HD only.

While this link will show everything that is broadcast on HD channels it will show what shows are really on HD and what isn't. For me this is the best, complete and accurate listing that I have found so far.

Idiots at WUAB did not flip the HD switch until 36 minutes in to the broadcast of Star Trek Enterprise tonight.

Originally posted by hookbill
Yesterday I went to tvguide.com to see how their listings look. They have a link on the page for HD only.

While this link will show everything that is broadcast on HD channels it will show what shows are really on HD and what isn't. For me this is the best, complete and accurate listing that I have found so far.

Try this site
http://ilovehdtv.com/currentissue.html

Originally posted by bubblegum1647
Try this site
http://ilovehdtv.com/currentissue.html Bubblegum, Thank you so much for turning me on to that site. It's FABULOUS. I customized my schedule to my stations, named them what I wanted, put them in the order I wanted, and put an icon on my desktop that with one click takes me right to my schedule. I LOVE IT! :D Thanks again.

I agree...that site is great!

The only fault I can find so far - it isn't listing the Sunday afternoon NFL games as being on HD on the local stations...i.e. this afternoon's Browns/Steelers game on WOIO/19.1, which is in HD as far as I know (and is listed on DirecTV's NFL Sunday Ticket, on the same site, as being in HD). But that's a minor nitpick...it seems to be "on target" otherwise!

Was anyone able to receive WOIO yesterday afternoon or this afternoon either through cable or especially OTA? I was looking forward to the SEC game yesterday (that was supposedly beautiful) and the Browns game this afternoon. But here in Medina, I could only manage about 10% signal strength, and that could just be background noise.

It's so hit and miss here on that channel. One day the signal strength is about 90% and the next it's next to nil. Is it just me?

Originally posted by Inundated
I agree...that site is great!

The only fault I can find so far - it isn't listing the Sunday afternoon NFL games as being on HD on the local stations...i.e. this afternoon's Browns/Steelers game on WOIO/19.1, which is in HD as far as I know (and is listed on DirecTV's NFL Sunday Ticket, on the same site, as being in HD). But that's a minor nitpick...it seems to be "on target" otherwise!

Thank you very much for the link bubblegum, and I'm glad all of you like the site.

I just wanted to take a quick second to address the NFL HD issue: The problem here originates with our data provider and their software's lack of ability to assign the "HDTV flag" to regionally broadcast NFL games. I contacted them about this several weeks back, and I just received word this past week that a fix will be in place by early December. Rather late in the season, yes ... but it's coming :-)

Again, I'm glad you like the site. Please let me know if you have any ideas for improving it ...

Cheers,

- M. Shane Sturgeon

Shane,

HDTV Magazine is an Ohio production? Cool!

It is my intention to make a donation. I believe in supporting sites and programs that I find really do provide a worthwhile service. My first impression is that HDTV Mag is one of those sites. I'd just like to wait a few weeks to be sure the site lives up to that first impression.

Thank you for explaining the problem with NFL games' HDTV flag. Hopefully it will be resolved on schedule.

Thanks again, and kudos for a very helpful site.

Originally posted by Rijax

HDTV Magazine is an Ohio production? Cool!


HDTV Magazine is actually the brainchild of Dale Cripps, who has run the publication from Alsea, Oregon for many, many years. He's regarded by many to be one of the founding fathers of HDTV here in the U.S. I had the pleasure to work with him over the past couple years putting together this program guide.

So while HDTV Magazine is not an Ohio production, the Program Guide (aka Grid Guide) most certainly is, at least from a development standpoint.

Your support is definitely appreciated.

- M. Shane Sturgeon

Oh well. The magazine may not be an Ohio production, but apparently YOU are. ;)

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
Was anyone able to receive WOIO yesterday afternoon or this afternoon either through cable or especially OTA? I was looking forward to the SEC game yesterday (that was supposedly beautiful) and the Browns game this afternoon. But here in Medina, I could only manage about 10% signal strength, and that could just be background noise.

It's so hit and miss here on that channel. One day the signal strength is about 90% and the next it's next to nil. Is it just me?

I watched the Auburn-Georgia game on Saturday and the Brown-Steelers game yesterday with no problem(OTA). Since I'm much further away(SE of Akron) than you, I suggest you check your equipment and wiring. Unless you live in a deep valley or have severe multipath issues, you should be getting a solid signal with just a small antenna on the roof.
Steve

Originally posted by SteveC
I watched the Auburn-Georgia game on Saturday and the Brown-Steelers game yesterday with no problem(OTA). Since I'm much further away(SE of Akron) than you, I suggest you check your equipment and wiring. Unless you live in a deep valley or have severe multipath issues, you should be getting a solid signal with just a small antenna on the roof.
Steve

Same here, in northwest Akron... no problems with WOIO-DT's OTA signal either on Saturday or Sunday. The Browns game was a bit painful to watch, but that had nothing to do with signal or picture quality ;)

If anything, WOIO-DT seems a bit stronger in the past week or so. I know they were doing work to their antenna...maybe it really has improved. I'm just using an indoor antenna. Of course, since it's VHF, it requires a bit of moving of the aerials, but I have no problem getting it in the proper position. (Adelphia! Raycom! Get it in gear already!)

Shane, thanks for showing up here! I will let you know if there are any improvements I can think of...but right now, it's fantastic. Thanks for addressing the NFL games issue and letting us know a "fix is on the way".

I was able to pick up WOIO yesterday using an indoor amplified VHF antenna (Jensen 930), so the signal must have been pretty strong. However, I wish TWC NEO would work things out with Ratcom and pick up WOIO so I don't have to stick an antenna up to get the AFC games!!

Thanks for all the replies. It's definitely a problem on my end based on the comments. I've had an antenna over my attic for almost two years now, and other than the crappy Channel 3 signal that everyone complains about, WOIO has been the only one that gives me problems. I can pull in all the other Cleveland DT stations with 85-90% strength, but WOIO fluctuates between 90% and 0% all the time.

The strange thing is that it's not a quick flutter of signal strength. It's a day by day thing. Some days and times the signal is extremely watchable and others it's zero all day. I had always just chalked it up to a poor station that wasn't broadcasting all the time.

The tower is in the same general location of all the other Cleveland stations, right? It's over by the Parma farm, I think. I've been able to just leave the antenna pointed northeast from here since day 1 without any other problems. Any suggestions as to what could cause this type of signal fluctuation?

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
The tower is in the same general location of all the other Cleveland stations, right? It's over by the Parma farm, I think. I've been able to just leave the antenna pointed northeast from here since day 1 without any other problems. Any suggestions as to what could cause this type of signal fluctuation?

I'd like to introduce one piece of information that might be vital here: WOIO-DT, like WKYC-DT, is on the VHF band. WOIO's digital channel is 10, and WKYC's is 2. 10 is a better channel for digital broadcasting than 2, by far, but it still means you're using the VHF elements of your antenna instead of the UHF ones you're using for the other stations in the market.

So, when you're doing your moving and adjusting, pay attention to the VHF elements...if you can adjust or move them separately, somehow, it might get you WOIO with better clarity. To get WOIO-DT with my indoor amplified antenna, I have to move the VHF aerials into a specific configuration that basically gets more visibility out my loft windows.

Originally posted by grayta
I was able to pick up WOIO yesterday using an indoor amplified VHF antenna (Jensen 930), so the signal must have been pretty strong. However, I wish TWC NEO would work things out with Ratcom and pick up WOIO so I don't have to stick an antenna up to get the AFC games!!

Is WOW (Wild Open West) the only multichannel provider in the market that has an agreement with WOIO/WUAB?

I know for sure Adelphia and Time Warner do not, and I'm pretty sure Cox and Comcast, the other two major cable operators in the Cleveland/Akron/Canton TV market, do not as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by "multichannel provider," but I have Cox HD, and I get both WOIO and WUAB HD.

"Multichannel provider" is a broader term than just "cable company", it includes such things as "in-house" cable companies in large apartment complexes, campus cable systems and microwave companies that provide cable channels via over-air antennas. (Whew!)

OK, Cox carries 19/43...Comcast?

Originally posted by Inundated
"Multichannel provider" is a broader term than just "cable company", it includes such things as "in-house" cable companies in large apartment complexes, campus cable systems and microwave companies that provide cable channels via over-air antennas. (Whew!)

OK, Cox carries 19/43...Comcast?

Comcast---No 19/43

Originally posted by Inundated
WOIO's digital channel is 10, and WKYC's is 2. 10 is a better channel for digital broadcasting than 2, by far, but it still means you're using the VHF elements of your antenna instead of the UHF ones you're using for the other stations in the market.


But are the antennae in the same general location? I get WKYC ok with the existing setup. I would think that if I can get channel 2, which is weaker and lower, I should be able to get channel 10 with the same arrangement assuming that the towers are in the same general location.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
But are the antennae in the same general location? I get WKYC ok with the existing setup. I would think that if I can get channel 2, which is weaker and lower, I should be able to get channel 10 with the same arrangement assuming that the towers are in the same general location.

antennaweb.org will answer all of your questions. Just type in your address and you'll get compass headings, distance, and signal strength of every channel. It is a great resource. It could be you have a multipath problem. If you switch over to analog channel 19(transmitter in same location), do you have a ghost in the image? If so, that could well be your problem.
Steve

I just got a fusin QAM card and I'm trying to get it going. I tried using it with wowway and it picked up a number of stations, but without showing video. One preview station did work properly. Is anyone using a non-wowway provided box to pick up HD stations? If so, what are you able to get?

I'm not getting WNEW in HD on Adelphia. You guys with OTA, are you seeing any problems?

Came back on a couple of minutes ago. Good thing, Lost is on tonight.

Unfortunately, you called it WNEW, so we wouldn't have been much help anyway...

Since he said "Lost", I assume he means WEWS. ;)

Originally posted by Inundated
Since he said "Lost", I assume he means WEWS. ;)

Yeah, channel 5. Geez all these call letters I can't remember.:)

If all I have is a DVI Input on my TV, will a HDMI - DVI kit work at this time for the 8300? Is the recording time the same on both units? Overall is it worth myh time to switch?

Thanks

Originally posted by cristo28
If all I have is a DVI Input on my TV, will a HDMI - DVI kit work at this time for the 8300? Is the recording time the same on both units? Overall is it worth myh time to switch?

Thanks

Question 1: Yes.

Question 2: Yes.

Question 3: I think so. I've heard that if you have a CRT television that you won't see much difference between component and HDMI which is a digital sound and picture, but I have a CRT television and I felt that not only did my HD channels looked better, my channels that are analog also looked better. Also assuming you have an 8000 unit I find that scheduled recordings are more reliable then then 8000 unit. Finally, and I think this is the biggest selling point you can set the 8300 to Auto/HDMI and it will pick the correct format. Just when you set it up choose the advance set up and select all formats. That way when you change channels you won't have to manually change formats.

Keep in mind that when you first get the 8300 you may have to wait a few days for an update. While waiting you will have to do the set up each time you turn the unit off. If you leave the unit on it will shut off in the middle of the night anyway. It took about 4 days for me to get this update. Be patient, it's worth it.

Originally posted by SteveC
antennaweb.org will answer all of your questions. Just type in your address and you'll get compass headings, distance, and signal strength of every channel. It is a great resource. It could be you have a multipath problem. If you switch over to analog channel 19(transmitter in same location), do you have a ghost in the image? If so, that could well be your problem.
Steve

Thanks for the advice. Antennaweb lists Channel 19 (10) the same as all the others in Cleveland. It should be coming in just fine. So I checked for ghosting, and yes, there is a slight ghosting of the image. Otherwise, it's pretty clear. Makes me think, though, that you're right about the multipath issues. That would explain why it comes in at 90% some days and 10% others.

But what can I do to correct it? The antenna is in the attic over my garage, and it would be an almost impossible task to do any large-scale adjustment. Are there any simple tricks to try?

Thanks for the help.

Is anyone able to receive the CRRS audio-only feed on WVIZ?

Thanks HB, does anyone know where I can buy locally the DVI - HDMI conversition piece? And has most local Adelphia stores have them I am in the North Olmsted area?

Thanks

Originally posted by cristo28
Thanks HB, does anyone know where I can buy locally the DVI - HDMI conversition piece? And has most local Adelphia stores have them I am in the North Olmsted area?

Thanks

I don't know of any local stores that carry an inexpesive one, perhaps someone else does. But it just so happens I have one and I'd be willing to talk about giving you a deal on it. PM me if interested. I'm not a dealer, I bought one a while ago for my 8000 in the false assumption that they were going to turn that port on soon.

Best Buy and CC have Monster Cables for 119.00. Ebay is where I got mine. They are around 15 to 20 bucks there.

As far as whether an Adelphia near you has them, that is where the adventure begins.:)

I spent ATLEAST 4 hours on the phone today attempting to get an HDTV box with active firewire ports. First, I talked to 2 people who insisted there was no such thing. Argued with me. I told them its also referred to as IEEE1394. Argued some more.

Finally, tried another area. Same scenario.

Asked for management.

Same.

Finally they said, sorry, can't give it to you. Doesn't exist. I pointed out that by law, it does exist, and they had to give me one. They said, no, that law was reapealed. I directed them to the FCC website. They read the law. Said they'd call me back.

2 hours later, i got a call, and suddenly, they had the box, and are bringing it out next week.

Lol, it should NOT be this hard to deal with someone in a FIELD they are supposed to be dealing in!

Blah

Just a stupid rant... finally got an SA3250HD on the way.

Lol

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
But what can I do to correct it? The antenna is in the attic over my garage, and it would be an almost impossible task to do any large-scale adjustment. Are there any simple tricks to try?

Good question. I'm guessing that if you could move the antenna around in the attic, you might be able to find a "sweet spot". And what might be a silly question: have you tried hooking up an indoor antenna? I'm serious... rabbit ears or amplified rabbit ears. I don't know if it would do ANY good, but maybe you have a spot downstairs - aimed out a window aiming roughly northeast from you towards Parma - that would have less multipath interference.

You aren't THAT much farther from Parma than I am in northwest Akron, and I'm getting 19 with a second-floor window shot with an indoor antenna. I wouldn't spend a lot of time or money on this, but if you have one lying around, it can't hurt if maybe a different angle would help you.

Originally posted by Gbluhm
Is anyone able to receive the CRRS audio-only feed on WVIZ?

Is this on the analog SAP channel or somewhere else? My TV won't let me go into SAP with 25...

Update: I used "Enable SAP" with my Adelphia remote on the 8000HD (Settings button), and sure enough, there's what I assume is CRRS! Sounds like someone in a radio reading service at any rate...

Originally posted by Inundated
have you tried hooking up an indoor antenna?

He, he. I'm chuckling to myself because two years ago when I moved in here, I tried about 10 different indoor antennas. I'm sure my wife would love the opportunity to remind me about all of them including the one we affectionately called the "grasshopper." Well, at least it was affectionate for me.

I was unable to get anything other than passing signals with any form of indoor antenna. I eventually settled for the 120" Radio Shack monster over the garage. That made my wife happy, and it made me happy that I didn't have to adjust the dad-gum thing every time I wanted to change channels.

I'm actually on the southern-most border of the city of Medina. I'm not sure how many miles as the crow flies I am from the towers, but it's just far enough that the indoor ones don't work.

If I had about two more feet between the rafters I would love to mount the antenna upside down in the attic with a rotor. From here I should be able to get the Mansfield station and a couple of others. But, as it is, I'll probably climb up there again one of these days and just move the thing a couple of inches. Hopefully that will help.

Thanks again for the help.

Originally posted by Gbluhm
Is anyone able to receive the CRRS audio-only feed on WVIZ?

Yes. I'm getting it on the SAP channel of the OTA analog 25.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
I'm actually on the southern-most border of the city of Medina. I'm not sure how many miles as the crow flies I am from the towers, but it's just far enough that the indoor ones don't work.

Yep, it also sounds like you're somewhat further away from the Parma antenna farm than I am, and you probably have some terrain issues going there, too! I get all the major Cleveland/Akron market stations with a decent, clear picture OTA with an analog set (except for 3, but that's another story) and an indoor antenna, so I probably have a better shot at Parma than you do.

Good luck! Maybe if you get 19 moved enough to overcome ghosting, DT 10 will have less multipathing. One other option could be in your future - supposedly the newer 5th generation OTA digital receivers are MUCH better at dealing with multipath interference. They aren't out yet, but could be by the end of the year or early 2005.

Originally posted by Inundated
One other option could be in your future - supposedly the newer 5th generation OTA digital receivers are MUCH better at dealing with multipath interference. They aren't out yet, but could be by the end of the year or early 2005.

Perhaps if they put one in a DirecTiVO.... :D

quote:Originally posted by Gbluhm
Is anyone able to receive the CRRS audio-only feed on WVIZ?

YES!!! On my set it maps out as 26-10. It used to say CRRS on call sign block but I noticed today that now its just empty. I get WVIZ-DT at a solid
60 here.

Welcome to the group.

Dan

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
Perhaps if they put one in a DirecTiVO.... :D

Ah, that might be your problem right there. The HD DTivo is a marvelous piece of work, but the OTA tuner in it is not known for its reception. I've seen dozens of messages from folks who have complained that they are no longer able to receive DT stations they could receive with other STBs they had before.

Then, I guess, your hope is that Hughes/TiVo/D* puts a 5th generation receiver in a future HD DTivo. ;)

Originally posted by intermod
YES!!! On my set it maps out as 26-10. It used to say CRRS on call sign block but I noticed today that now its just empty. I get WVIZ-DT at a solid 60 here.

They map out the CRRS audio feed as a DT subchannel? What's on the video for it?

And you do realize you're one of a handful of people who can get the current top-of-the-building WVIZ-DT signal with any strength, right? ;) I wonder how close they are to going on their existing tower, in the battle with Infinity. And as noted up here, we'll be getting WVIZ-DT on Adelphia in the next week and a half or so...

(Adelphia subscribers, note: you CAN get the CRRS audio feed on the SAP side of WVIZ's analog cable channel, 2...you have to go into Settings on the cable box and enable SAP. Trying to enable it on your TV will do no good.)

Originally posted by Inundated
They map out the CRRS audio feed as a DT subchannel? What's on the video for it?

>>>>>>>>> Nothing, Nice black screen.

And you do realize you're one of a handful of people who can get the current top-of-the-building WVIZ-DT signal with any strength, right? ;) I wonder how close they are to going on their existing tower, in the battle with Infinity. And as noted up here, we'll be getting WVIZ-DT on Adelphia in the next week and a half or so...

>>>>> Yes!! Since I first noticed it back in August They have been solid.
The CRRS audio is in dolby on 26-10, Maybe they could slap some music
on that for the holidays, provided it wouldnt degrade the video on 26-1
which is Awesome.

(Adelphia subscribers, note: you CAN get the CRRS audio feed on the SAP side of WVIZ's analog cable channel, 2...you have to go into Settings on the cable box and enable SAP. Trying to enable it on your TV will do no good.)

Originally posted by Inundated
Ah, that might be your problem right there.

Then, I guess, your hope is that Hughes/TiVo/D* puts a 5th generation receiver in a future HD DTivo. ;)

Wish it was my problem. I couldn't find a drooling smiley on here.

My trust-old HD200 has been working fine, and honestly its reception is above midpack, I believe.

But, you're right. My hope is that they put the new tuner in a future DirecTiVO. Or maybe I should say my dream.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
Thanks for the advice. Antennaweb lists Channel 19 (10) the same as all the others in Cleveland. It should be coming in just fine. So I checked for ghosting, and yes, there is a slight ghosting of the image. Otherwise, it's pretty clear. Makes me think, though, that you're right about the multipath issues. That would explain why it comes in at 90% some days and 10% others.

But what can I do to correct it? The antenna is in the attic over my garage, and it would be an almost impossible task to do any large-scale adjustment. Are there any simple tricks to try?

Thanks for the help.

Zman,
Your problem might be that you have too large an antenna. Since larger antennas are more sensitive they pick up the weaker multipath signals much better than smaller antennas. Larger antennas are usually much more directional than smaller antennas and often require a rotor because of that fact. If I were you I would try and find the smallest antenna that gets the job done. Bigger is definitely not always better when it comes to an antenna.
Steve

Originally posted by SteveC
Zman,
Your problem might be that you have too large an antenna. Since larger antennas are more sensitive they pick up the weaker multipath signals much better than smaller antennas. Larger antennas are usually much more directional than smaller antennas and often require a rotor because of that fact. If I were you I would try and find the smallest antenna that gets the job done. Bigger is definitely not always better when it comes to an antenna.
Steve

Yeah, maybe you're right. But the good news is that I get Channel 3 at about 85 to 90% in Medina. ;)

Overall, I'm relatively happy with the antenna. I suppose if I have to sacrifice a channel, I can live without 19. I think I might just poke my head up into the attic one of these days, though. I'm hoping that just a slight adjustment will help.

Thanks, everybody. Something tells me we're on to something here.

If you just have the tip of a reflector (the longest element at the back of
the yagi) snagging a joist, just bend the thing as required for clearance.

Antenna's in general have NO resale value and many Yagi designs don't
even have a reflector. Boom length and directors are where its at with Yagi's.
Plus with the influence of attic stuff you really have no idea where the main lobe is pointing. They get SKeWED by attic junk. You could probably just cut it off and not notice much differance.

You can bend the director back or down to get he job done. As long as it's in your attic no one will laugh.

Dan

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
Yeah, maybe you're right. But the good news is that I get Channel 3 at about 85 to 90% in Medina. ;)

I live in Medina too, and I just have a small (65" boom length) antenna in the attic. All Cleveland digital stations come in at 100% except 3, which is at about 90, and of course 25, which is transmitting at only 1kW with essentially no antenna height. I have a second cheap UHF-only antenna pointed at Akron to pick up 49.

Those are phenominal signal strengths. I'm only a few miles away and I'm not getting anything close to that. I get 80+ if I find my sweet spot with my indoor antenna. I may have to eventually do an attic mount.

I generally put on Fox News in the mornings. This morning I noticed it was in high def. I'm not sure if the entire broadcast was, I noticed around 7:45 that their in studio shots were in HD. When they were broadcasting taped pieces they had bars on the side, similar to what ESPN does.

Hope this is the start of something. Hopefully channel 3 and 5 will follow. Since I get my HD from Adelphia I have no idea about channel 19.

Channel 3? The one that's "first in HDTV" according to their screen bug? The one that had an all-HD ad promoting their newsteam during the Olympics but no HD in the studio? ROFLMAO.

Judging by the PQ of 19/43's newscast, they look like a low budget operation, I wouldn't be too hopeful. The one with Tiffany what's-her-name's blondeness just blaring on the screen. I can't stay on that news program too long for fear of burning in my plasma.

Yep, the Fox Noon news is hi-def (at least in studio). They're doing a nice job of mixing the 4:3 material in.

Way to go Fox / WJW !!

Does anyone have Cox cable? If you do have it, is the DVI port active on the HD boxes?

Thanks for the help!

Jim

Originally posted by paule123
Yep, the Fox Noon news is hi-def (at least in studio). They're doing a nice job of mixing the 4:3 material in.

Way to go Fox / WJW !!

Their on location shots were also HD this morning. Segments like Kicking it with Kenny and other on location shots were in HD.

And I agree they diid a good job of mixing too.

Yeah, Fox looked pretty good this morning. I'm impressed. Anybody know if this was the first day for it? I never get to turn on anything but the bedroom TV in the morning. The HD set is usually showing PBSKids until long after I'm at work.

Also, anybody else notice the audio mix being a little off? Seemed like some stuff was significantly louder than others. And the band they had closing out the show could've used a better mix!

I have it on every morning so if it was HD prior I would have noticed. I'm doing stuff in the morning so I couldn't really "study" it, but from my point of view everything appeared fine.

I'm watching Fox 8 now, and it does appear they're officially in HD in the studio. They looked pretty good even in SD before, but it's nice to see a local station finally doing news in HD!

In the 4:3 material, Fox 8 has a bar on each side with the station name on one side, and "HD" in the other...ala ESPN-HD.

At least on my (actually SD) set, Fox 8 has been the best looking digital signal in local programming, even before turning on HD in the studio. 3 and 5 are a notch lower, about equal, and we've already dumped on 19/43...

It turns out Fox 8 bought 3 720p HD studio cameras back in 2001:

http://www.ikegami.com/press/press94.html

And they just bought an HD graphics system from Chyron back in October of this year, which was probably the reason they can now go HD on the newscasts...

http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?CategoryID=67&ArticleID=8984

Same problems with Comcast in NorCal. Which FCC reg. did you quote?

Originally posted by Bill Harrison
Lol, it should NOT be this hard to deal with someone in a FIELD they are supposed to be dealing in!

Congratulations to you!

TWC NEO hasn't usually had a reputation for being clueless. I'm with Adelphia, and I'd almost give my first born (if I had one) to switch to TWC if I could.

If the above conversation were with Adelphia, they'd have cut off your service because they didn't like you. ;)

What happend to 31-1 is it now 8-1HD?

Fox 8 has always been 8-1 to me...my STB has passed PSIP from it from the day I brought it home. I haven't seen 31-1 anywhere...

Just a reminder....in 4 days Adelphia is delivering 2 more HD channels. At least that's the rumor, PBS and Discovery.

And the PBS will be WVIZ-DT 26, which will be a second PBS for me (I get WEAO-DT 50 over the air). I assume Adelphia will only be carrying the HD feed on 710 (channel number they'll use, I believe).

Does WVIZ put out anything else besides the HD feed, an SD simulcast and the CRRS audio on DT 26? I'll assume I'll be able to get that whenever they manage to get permission to move it to the main WVIZ analog tower...

Well, its not over till the fat lady sings apparently. Got a call wed morning from the "head of operations" at time warner NE Ohio. Tells me, sorry, we can't give you that box, because you don't have a tv with firewire ports. I said I am going to be using the firewire ports to connect to my DVR (AKA PC, but will be using it as a DVR) and he said thats not possible, and i can't get the box. I explained to him the FCC Regulation on the subject, and he said that TWC makes its own rules concerning those items. Last time i checked the fcc regulated, not the other way around! Well, needless to say, I contacted the FCC, who pointed out that Time warner was obligated to give me that box AT MY REQUEST, irregardless of my usage, per the law. Unfortunately they said they have little in the way of enforcement, and that was up to my local franchising authority, who in the case is the Akron Mayors office (akron ohio).


I have a call into them, and talked with a gentleman who said in reality they have little in the way of actual sanctions to MAKE them do as they should, but that he would contact them and atleast put some pressure on them. He said if they still refuse, while they will be in violation, there is little that can actually be done.

HERE is my rant: TWC says they have the box, but they are being ABSOLUTELY beligerant about giving it to me. Why is this? I am very curious. I can't imagine it costs alot more than a 3150 which is what they want to give me. So I doubt price is a factor. Last time I checked, customer service was important? They have the box, I am specifically asking for it, so why not give it too me? I have shown them that they are legally obligated too, yet they still just say sorry, cant bring it out unless you have a tv with firewire.

I will keep everyone posted as to how this unfolds.... Now its to the point where its less the actual fact i wanted the box, and now more about the principal! They have been particularly rude to me, and I just don't quite get why, as I have been very nice on the phone, explaining what I needed and why. I am VERY tempted to call and have all my service turned off, unfortunately I am tied to roadrunner :(

Originally posted by alfbinet
What happend to 31-1 is it now 8-1HD?

Fox in Cleveland uses the digital position "31" and is remapped by most ota receivers as 8-1.

Threads Merged.

As noted by hookbill in the NFL on FOX thread:

Adelphia cable is having major problems with the three local network affiliates HD feeds it carries (WKYC/WEWS/WJW). I'm getting anything from no picture (grey screen) to black splotched incomplete pictures. Sound, oddly enough, even with the grey screen, is fine.

The OTA HD feeds from all three stations are fine. It's only Adelphia.

The non-pay channels right next to 3/5/8's HD feeds - HDNet and HDMovies - are seen, but having significant breakup problems. ESPNHD (772) and any channels above 772 are fine, with no breakups.

It's long been rumored that Adelphia is adding WVIZ-DT's HD feed tomorrow on channel 710...it would not be a stretch to wonder if this is related.

Ditto on the major HD problems yesterday. Also, confirmed okay on OTA. You mention one additional HD service possibly coming today. Any news on additional stations? (especially CBS) Thanks for any info.

I was disappointed to see no WVIZ as of yet. The other station rumoured to be coming on today is Discovery HD.

I've noticed in the past that this usually happens on the first of the month.

As far as CBS goes....don't hold your breath.:mad:

Originally posted by hookbill
I was disappointed to see no WVIZ as of yet. The other station rumoured to be coming on today is Discovery HD.

I've noticed in the past that this usually happens on the first of the month.

As far as CBS goes....don't hold your breath.:mad:

I'm guessing that it didn't happen today (WVIZ/Discovery) because they haven't figured out how to do it without screwing up 3/5/8 and HDNet/HDMovies yet. ;)

Looks like they're coming... Both appeared in the program guide in the last few minutes...

Originally posted by jtscherne
Looks like they're coming... Both appeared in the program guide in the last few minutes...

Yep, looks like it. Nothing actually being broadcast as of now, I'm just getting the gray screen. Looks like it is going to happen soon though.

They're on!

No guide data, but yes they certainly are on. And wow, that Discovery HD sure looked good! Looks like they had some kind of date/reality show on and pq was dazziling.

I'm now officially getting both of 'em on Adelphia:

710 - PBSHD (WVIZ-DT)
776 - DSCHD (Discovery HD Theater)

Both are looking really good on this end! I do have guide data on both.

Speaking of which, Adelphia has fixed the guide data for WKYC's HD feed on 703...it was listing "Off Air" for any shows that were not from the NBC network. I can take credit for it, as I nudged Channel 3's Mike Szabo in engineering, and he talked to 'em today :)

Originally posted by Inundated
I'm now officially getting both of 'em on Adelphia:

710 - PBSHD (WVIZ-DT)
776 - DSCHD (Discovery HD Theater)

Both are looking really good on this end! I do have guide data on both.

Speaking of which, Adelphia has fixed the guide data for WKYC's HD feed on 703...it was listing "Off Air" for any shows that were not from the NBC network. I can take credit for it, as I nudged Channel 3's Mike Szabo in engineering, and he talked to 'em today :)

Yes, I see the guide data on channel 703! It's about time. However I'm still not receiving guide data for 710 or 776. In addition, I have no new guide data for Sunday evening or Monday. I've even rebooted my machine and still no data.

Is everyone else getting their data ok?

I'm in Shaker Heights and I'm not getting guide data for the new HD channels either.

Originally posted by jtscherne
I'm in Shaker Heights and I'm not getting guide data for the new HD channels either.

How about your future data on all channels? I'm not seeing anything beyond Sunday 7:00 pm?

I've reported it to Adelphia, but an additional call probably wouldn't hurt. Also the data for HD NET has been incorrect during the day.

I'm getting guide data for the two new HD channels with no problem. I'm not sure it matters for this, but I'm in northwest Akron.

I have guide data out to Monday night/Tuesday morning (12/6-12/7) at midnight. I don't know how far it's supposed to go out...

Originally posted by Inundated
I'm getting guide data for the two new HD channels with no problem. I'm not sure it matters for this, but I'm in northwest Akron.

I have guide data out to Monday night/Tuesday morning (12/6-12/7) at midnight. I don't know how far it's supposed to go out...

I went to Adelphia in Macedonia because I was pretty sure I was going to get a run around on this. On their sets the guide data was only up until Sunday. They said they would call someone.

Also I sent an email to someone in Adelphia who helped before and she said she would forward it to the proper people. But for now the problem is not fixed. Looks like your getting different guide data, probably because your cable line up is a little different.

Hi,

I live in Twinsburg, Wineguard 7032 Antenna in the attic, 15 db preamp, RG6 in, 2 set spletter with a MYHD 120 HD PC card and a Sony SAT HD300.


I cannot recieve 8.1 on a regular basis on the SAT HD300. All other channels including Akron come in fine. My sig on the HD Cleveland stations is 70% on 3 to 92 on 5.1

My HD 120 shows a signal strength of 60-65% on 8.1.

On the HD300 it goes from a "good" signal to no signal

I have done resets, NVRAM resets, changed cabeling, no luck.

Any ideas?? Anyone else having this problem??

Thanks in advance for any responses

Originally posted by hookbill
Also I sent an email to someone in Adelphia who helped before and she said she would forward it to the proper people. But for now the problem is not fixed. Looks like your getting different guide data, probably because your cable line up is a little different.

I was under the impression that all of Adelphia/NE Ohio was on the same lineup now. I could be wrong. I know at one time, the Adelphia section served out of that Macedonia office (the old Western Reserve system) had a radically different lineup...

Originally posted by Rich Klim
I cannot recieve 8.1 on a regular basis on the SAT HD300. All other channels including Akron come in fine. My sig on the HD Cleveland stations is 70% on 3 to 92 on 5.1

That's quite odd. WJW-DT is not usually a problem child OTA. WKYC-DT is, and as you see, it's lower than the others.

I could only suggest nudging the antenna around a little. I seem to remember that WEWS-DT and WJW-DT are at slightly different directions for my indoor antenna. Most of the stations are in the "Parma Antenna Farm", but we're talking an occasional nudge an inch or two one direction or another when I've had to do it.

One other note, if it matters: WKYC-DT is on VHF, as is WOIO-DT...everybody else in the market is on UHF. Keep this in mind when adjusting your antenna.

Adelphia's lineup is still different from place to place. For example, CBS is channel 4 in Cleveland Heights, but channel 10 in Twinsburg. There are other differences too.

Has anyone noticed that NEOH TWC in Canton has now scrambled some HD channels that were not scrambled before- liked HDNET and TNT-HD? Noticed this today.

Scott

My annonymous but reliable source has told me that the SA8300HD will be getting a software upgrade shortly, possibly tonite(11/30). SARA ver. 1.85.3.1 All I know is that the HDMI will be enabled. Unfortunately they could not get the HDMI to DVI adapter to work. Also on this box the components go dead when HDMI is in use. Rf and composites are OK.

BTW, I continue to thank them for the accurate inside tips. (PBS and Discovery)

Going forward, NBC Universal (Bravo), TNT, and NBA Network are on the table. ESPN2HD should be a done deal. That was done with the original contract. Only God knows what the deal is with CBS. I also got wind that Regional Sports Networks talking to Adelphia. Hopefully by end of 1st quarter 2005, this will be one hell of a HD lineup. :)

Also, Adelphia northeastern Ohio has 11 different lineups

Originally posted by handsworth
Going forward, NBC Universal (Bravo), TNT, and NBA Network are on the table. ESPN2HD should be a done deal. That was done with the original contract. Only God knows what the deal is with CBS. I also got wind that Regional Sports Networks talking to Adelphia. Hopefully by end of 1st quarter 2005, this will be one hell of a HD lineup. :)

Wow! That's all good news, and all what I was looking for. NBA Network means the HD games that get blacked out currently on INHD, right? And it's good to see TNT, ESPN2 and Bravo/NBC Universal, too.

Is the RSN Fox Sports Ohio? I haven't gotten wind that they're doing any games in HD yet...would be nice if they could somehow put up some Cavs games the rest of this season in HD...

Also, Adelphia northeastern Ohio has 11 different lineups

I did not know that. I believe they at least did some consolidation within the Cleveland market proper - the former Cablevision systems and the Western Reserve systems up by Macedonia. For one, the local programming channel used to be 35, and now it's 15 everywhere...

I'm on the former Cablevision system in western Summit County.

I noticed NCIS wasnt HD last night. More problems for WOIO

Originally posted by handsworth
My annonymous but reliable source has told me that the SA8300HD will be getting a software upgrade shortly, possibly tonite(11/30). SARA ver. 1.85.3.1 All I know is that the HDMI will be enabled. Unfortunately they could not get the HDMI to DVI adapter to work. Also on this box the components go dead when HDMI is in use. Rf and composites are OK.


The HDMI is already enabled as I have reported on these boards in the past.

In chatting with someone in another area he mentioned some differences on his settings, so perhaps that is what is coming.

Still no new program data!! Now I have no data for Sun evening, Monday or Tuesday.

Originally posted by Inundated
I did not know that. I believe they at least did some consolidation within the Cleveland market proper - the former Cablevision systems and the Western Reserve systems up by Macedonia. For one, the local programming channel used to be 35, and now it's 15 everywhere...

I'm on the former Cablevision system in western Summit County.

Well, that makes two of us. I knew there were some differences because when you punch in my zip, 44202 on Titan it automatically brings up Adelphia, Macedonia line up. However If I use Chagrin Falls zip, 44023 I get the proper line up for where I live (Bainbridge).

On the Adelphia, Macedonia lineup channel 19, WOIO is ON channel 10. On my cable it's on channel 4. You would think they would want to make it simple and get everyone on the same page.

Naw, this is Adelphia...that would make too much sense.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by bassguitarman
I noticed NCIS wasnt HD last night. More problems for WOIO
It was HD the last 10 or 15 minutes. My guess is they were probably having problems with their encoder. It appeared that were trying to get it working during the course of the program without any success till almost the end.

Originally posted by hookbill
The HDMI is already enabled as I have reported on these boards in the past.

I kept seeing your posts, but have not talked to anyone that has it enabled. Not even at my house. My person also took a box to a local retailer and tried it on 3 different sets and got nada. Are you Adelphia? If so what SARA version does your box have. They tested the new version yesterday and it finally worked for them.

Originally posted by handsworth
I kept seeing your posts, but have not talked to anyone that has it enabled. Not even at my house. My person also took a box to a local retailer and tried it on 3 different sets and got nada. Are you Adelphia? If so what SARA version does your box have. They tested the new version yesterday and it finally worked for them.

Well, if your looking at my posts you know that I'm with Adelphia. I complain about them constantly.:) As I have responded back to YOU in the past I have Sara 1.85.14.2. I picked up the 8300 shortly after YOUR post when you told us that it had an HDMI port. I went down to Adelphia and picked one up a couple of days after that and hooked up my HDMI port. It worked from day 1.

I can't explain about what you observed. And as I reported earlier today my Sara has not changed, although it appeared something may have been downloaded as my screen started on the Adelphia Information Channel (1) this morning, however that could also be attributed to the power outage we had and a reboot.

Also you said that there was a problem with DVI TO HDMI. Is that what they were hooking up? Because the back of my set is HDMI so I use a regular HDMI connector. It doesn't make sense that a DVI to HDMI adapter wouldn't work but I'll take your word for it. Please take mine. I have no reason to fib.:)

Thanks hookbill,
no reason to doubt you, but can't figure out why ours does not work with the same version.. I will be taking a box over to the retailer (Audio Cr**t )tommorrow to try it again.

Living in Rocky River with Cox, we have all the networks - except Fox. We also receive UPN HD (I believe in name only) ESPNHD, INHD, Discovery HD, PBS HD, Bravo HD, and HBO HD (I don't subscribe to Showtime). Appears NBC is the leader in volume of HD programing with CBS followed by ABC.

Fox was to have started on 12/1 after their showing most of the playoffs and all of the World Series. Now nothing, but as a national network, does Fox even braodcast that much in HD - aside from 24? On 12/15, Starz and Cinemax HD will be added to the lineup.

We have a 4:3 32 inch Wega HD and the picture is very, very crisp for HD programming - its in our bedroom. Haven't hooked the 5.1 up yet as wife is doing a push-back on the subwoofer lurking near the ficus tree. Glad I don't have to fight the OTA battles you guys do. What a painful and frustrating life that must be.

It is true that Sam Adams does appear to taste better while watching HD football on ESPN Sunday evening.

duckdogger said,

" Glad I don't have to fight the OTA battles you guys do. What a painful and frustrating life that must be."


Yikes!!! It's not all that bad.

Welcome to the group.

/Dan

hookbill - for what it's worth, the same lineup problem happens when you plug those ZIP Codes into Adelphia's very own channel lineup page:

http://www.adelphia.com/cable_entertainment/channel_line_ups.cfm

44202 pulls up what I assume is the Adelphia Macedonia lineup. Among other things, it adds three local channels that we don't have: WDLI/17 and WOAC/67 out of Canton (nominally), religious/TBN and Shop at Home respectively, and LPTVer WAOH-LP 29 out of Akron, which it lists under the old W29AI calls and says "formerly WAOH", which is actually the other way around!

It also has Univision's WQHS/61 on cable channel 2, where our system has WVIZ/25 on 2. Most of the other channels are scattered in different places, as well. I believe all the digital stuff, above 100, is the same on both systems.

I can tell the 44202 lineup is the old Western Reserve one...it has cable channel 9 as an access channel, which it's been ever since the days I almost did a show on it...

Talk to a CSR at Adelphia this morning. She told me that the guide data issue is "Adelphia Wide" (except at Inundated's house).:)

She said it is being handled by their "headend" and they are working on it Monday thru Friday. This was also confirmed by an email I received from someone who was foolish enough to give me their real e-mail address at Adelphia.

I suppose that could mean this coming Monday thru Friday. I assume it means this week. I just hope that's not a warning that if it isn't fixed by Friday night, don't expect it to be fixed until next week.

Thanks again hookbill, I tried the HDMI connection on my set tonite and I'll be dammed, it works. I must have missed something from the day I got it till I got my 48 hr upgrade. My apologies.

On the other hand, I have an internal document in hand from SA that says this feature will not function until SARA 1.85.3.1. This is the type of misinformation that gets passed along. You should be a beta tester for these people. :o

Originally posted by handsworth
Thanks again hookbill, I tried the HDMI connection on my set tonite and I'll be dammed, it works. I must have missed something from the day I got it till I got my 48 hr upgrade. My apologies.

On the other hand, I have an internal document in hand from SA that says this feature will not function until SARA 1.85.3.1. This is the type of misinformation that gets passed along. You should be a beta tester for these people. :o

No apology necessary! I'm happy that it works. Ahhh, these little mysteries we encounter in the electronic world.:)

Originally posted by hookbill
Talk to a CSR at Adelphia this morning. She told me that the guide data issue is "Adelphia Wide" (except at Inundated's house).:)

Yes, I have the only perfect Adelphia cable box guide in the system! ;)

No, I have problems, too. Not with the missing or mismatched stuff I've seen reported here, but my guide data only goes out to next Tuesday. So, I'd imagine they have to get that fixed (I can't remember how far it's supposed to go out on the DVRs).

For that matter, there may be mismatched stuff on some channels (HDNet was mentioned) - I just haven't noticed it.

Originally posted by duckdogger


Fox was to have started on 12/1 after their showing most of the playoffs and all of the World Series. Now nothing, but as a national network, does Fox even braodcast that much in HD - aside from 24?


Fox did not broadcast in HD at all until September 15th (So 24 has never been broadcast in HD). Since then, almost all of their NFL games have been in HD. In addition, much of their regular programming is in HD. In fact, WJW recently began broadcasting their local news in HD. So I'd say you're missing quite a bit of HD content (especially as it compares to UPN!)

Originally posted by Inundated
Yes, I have the only perfect Adelphia cable box guide in the system! ;)

No, I have problems, too. Not with the missing or mismatched stuff I've seen reported here, but my guide data only goes out to next Tuesday. So, I'd imagine they have to get that fixed (I can't remember how far it's supposed to go out on the DVRs).

For that matter, there may be mismatched stuff on some channels (HDNet was mentioned) - I just haven't noticed it.

If what your seeing on your screen has complete data out until Tuesday, (today it should be Wednesday) then you are getting your updated data ok. Adelphia goes only 7 days out, unlike TiVo which goes I believe 28 days if I remember right.

What I am seeing on my screen is data guide out to Wednesday....but there is no data on the screen starting on Sunday night going through Wednesday. Just the channels listed and no programing.

So you see, you may well have the only perfect box on Adelphia.:)

For those of us who have been having problems, Adelphia has informed me that the guide data is fixed. I checked and it's working in my area.

You know, I never DID actually check the data past Sunday...I just noticed the date (when you go to change it) went past Sunday. Maybe there was nothing there. :)

I noticed late last night that the guide data when I was changing channels was blank for a while. But it seems to be OK now.

Thanks for getting on 'em about it, hookbill!

WJW/8 went into its beautiful new HD newscast at 5 PM tonight, with no sound. :o (The sound was fine until the newscast started.)

I called up their newsroom, and after I got off hold, the guy asked "have you checked your SAP setting?" After telling him I was talking about the HD signal, I just told them to tell the control room that there was "no sound on the HD newscast".

About 20 seconds after I hung up the phone...boom, there was sound! :D

Oh, wait...now they're back to no sound. Arrgh!

Can someone ELSE call up FOX 8 and tell them their HD newscast is silent? I don't wanna be a pest...

216-431-8888, select the option for the newsroom and then "news tips"

Inundated....at the time of this posting it's loud and clear.

Two suggestions: Check volume and mute.:)

No, it was definitely going on and off. Commercials were coming through loud and clear, but then no sound for the actual news broadcast.

I think they've fixed it for now.

Originally posted by jtscherne
No, it was definitely going on and off. Commercials were coming through loud and clear, but then no sound for the actual news broadcast.

I think they've fixed it for now.

Thanks for the confirmation! hookbill must think I'm nuts or something. :D

Yes, they fixed it at about 10 till 6, I think it was.

West Wing HD was silent too. The opening music theme was cool then the sounds of silence. Finally they switched the feed to a non-HD stretched and the sound was back.

I'll have to check out fox now that Cox started carrying the feed yesterday.

You just knew things couldn't continue working without a hitch for Adelphia.

All the lower HD channels have taken a no-signal dive tonight, including 703/705/708/710 (WKYC/WEWS/WJW/WVIZ) and HDNet and HDMovies (770/771). NBGS. (Nothing but grey screen.) It's very similar to what we saw on Sunday night, before WVIZ joined the HD lineup. Just checked, and the OTA 3/5/8 DT equivalents are fine. WVIZ, of course, is an OTA no-show down here in Akron due to its pipsqueak-on-top-of-the-roof antenna.

Channels above 772 are fine (ESPNHD and above). I don't know if the HD movie channels between are affected, as I don't have them.

This is as of this writing at 11:15 PM, in case hookbill thinks I'm nuts. ;)

What happened to the 5.1 on WKYC? I noticed last nights Joey was not in 5.1 and it usually is. ALso the audio mix on the HD signal was all fubar. The center/voice channel was mutted while the audience laugh track and musical tracks were very loud.

Originally posted by Inundated
You just knew things couldn't continue working without a hitch for Adelphia.

All the lower HD channels have taken a no-signal dive tonight, including 703/705/708/710 (WKYC/WEWS/WJW/WVIZ) and HDNet and HDMovies (770/771). NBGS. (Nothing but grey screen.) It's very similar to what we saw on Sunday night, before WVIZ joined the HD lineup. Just checked, and the OTA 3/5/8 DT equivalents are fine. WVIZ, of course, is an OTA no-show down here in Akron due to its pipsqueak-on-top-of-the-roof antenna.

Channels above 772 are fine (ESPNHD and above). I don't know if the HD movie channels between are affected, as I don't have them.

This is as of this writing at 11:15 PM, in case hookbill thinks I'm nuts. ;)

Now this type of thing I would never doubt your word on. Fortunately for me I didn't suffer through this aggrivation as I went to bed at 11:00 and my hd set was turned off at 10:00 last night. I'm happy to report it appears it's back up this morning.

Well, things went without a hitch for them for a whole what 15 hours?

Originally posted by Inundated
WJW/8 went into its beautiful new HD newscast at 5 PM tonight, with no sound. :o (The sound was fine until the newscast started.)

I called up their newsroom, and after I got off hold, the guy asked "have you checked your SAP setting?" After telling him I was talking about the HD signal, I just told them to tell the control room that there was "no sound on the HD newscast".

About 20 seconds after I hung up the phone...boom, there was sound! :D

Oh, wait...now they're back to no sound. Arrgh!


I started watching the morning newscast when I saw the post about their broadcasting in HD. I have found the sound during the newscast to be much too loud, to the point of clipping. When I turn it down to a low enough volume to listen to the news, the commercials are almost silent.

Maybe they just need to average the volume over the morning and evening news....:D

It's funny, because I seem to remember the HD volume being much lower than the SD volume, at least via Adelphia. And I have the cable box kicked up to full volume within it.

I don't know how they're doing now, because I'm not at home. I'm taking a little road trip and taking an OTA box and a TV tuner for the laptop with me. I saw the Youngstown stations while driving east - at least the two that are lit up, WFMJ-DT and WYTV-DT. (And of course, WFMJ's WB sister station "WBCB" on 20-2...) Yes, that was me at an Ohio Turnpike rest stop with amplified rabbit ears and a HDTV box on the dash!

Originally posted by Inundated
I don't know how they're doing now, because I'm not at home. I'm taking a little road trip and taking an OTA box and a TV tuner for the laptop with me. I saw the Youngstown stations while driving east - at least the two that are lit up, WFMJ-DT and WYTV-DT. (And of course, WFMJ's WB sister station "WBCB" on 20-2...) Yes, that was me at an Ohio Turnpike rest stop with amplified rabbit ears and a HDTV box on the dash!

My first thought was, "Man, you really need to get a hobby." But then I realized what I was saying. :)

Thanks for the visual.

And wait a minute. Something else just hit me. You're my new hero. Portable HDTV and portable internet. Does it get any better? :D

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
And wait a minute. Something else just hit me. You're my new hero. Portable HDTV and portable internet. Does it get any better? :D

Ah, though I can certainly do wireless Internet...I'm settled down for the moment inside four walls. :D

I'll take the moment not moving to share some screenshots from Y-Town, captured off my WinTV USB while I was in the car at the Turnpike rest stop:

http://www.nowbie.net/wbcbid.jpg

http://www.nowbie.net/wfmjnews.jpg

http://www.nowbie.net/wytvid.jpg

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
My first thought was, "Man, you really need to get a hobby." But then I realized what I was saying. :)

Thanks for the visual.

And wait a minute. Something else just hit me. You're my new hero. Portable HDTV and portable internet. Does it get any better? :D

Apparently I'm not quite smart enough to understand. I'm still lingering with the first thought. Man, this dude is into this stuff.:) I don't quite get it but I'm sure he will enlighten me.

Originally posted by hookbill
Apparently I'm not quite smart enough to understand. I'm still lingering with the first thought. Man, this dude is into this stuff.:) I don't quite get it but I'm sure he will enlighten me.

Hey, man...

I have a car.

I have an AC converter that powers AC from my cigarette lighter ("power port" these days).

I have a laptop computer with a USB TV box attached.

See above screenshots, captured from a parking lot along the Ohio Turnpike. ;)

I'm a man on misssssion. And I haven't figured out where I'm going next, tomorrow!

Originally posted by duckdogger
West Wing HD was silent too. The opening music theme was cool then the sounds of silence. Finally they switched the feed to a non-HD stretched and the sound was back.

I'll have to check out fox now that Cox started carrying the feed yesterday.

God, what a bad night Wed was for NBC. Not only WW but L&O too. They gave it to us in some kind stretched out 480i. They tried to go back to HD but they still didn't have sound.

I just don't understand this. These things are taped. Why can't they present them in the type of technology they promise?

Originally posted by hookbill
Apparently I'm not quite smart enough to understand. I'm still lingering with the first thought. Man, this dude is into this stuff.:) I don't quite get it but I'm sure he will enlighten me.

I just meant that the phrase "you need to get a hobby" was a little redundant in that he obviously had one already. And a pretty serious one at that by the sound of it.

And now I'm questioning myself. How can it be a little redundant? It either is or it isn't, right?

Hey, where's the cruising AVSforum while intoxicated thread? ;)

Just kidding, by the way. About the last part. I'm just damaged from a hard week.

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
Hey, where's the cruising AVSforum while intoxicated thread? ;)


Well, pull up a chair, bud and let's knock a few down. I'm working on my second glass of merlot, not to mention the couple of Lorazepam I took oh and and ambian to make sure I sleep well........

Oh God, isn't XM deep tracks just the best thing since 70's fm radio!

Hi,

Anyone see the signal strenght on 3.1, it is in the high 70's for me, up from mid 30's

I can receive all the Cleveland HD stations with excelent signal strength, including 50.1 from Akron

I live in Twinsburg, have a Wingaurd 7032 antenna in the attic with a 15 db preamp. Currently I rarely get a signal on WJW 8.1. Several weeks ago all was fine. Any ideas, has anything changed??

Thanks in advance

WJW changed something in thier PSIP recently as it always showed as channel 31 for me untill a few weeks ago. You could try re-scanning for channels that often fixes thing s for me.

/Dan

Originally posted by Rich Klim
Anyone see the signal strenght on 3.1, it is in the high 70's for me, up from mid 30's


I flipped on some Discovery Kids show on 3.1 about 11:40, and the signal strength was good at about 90% for me. Solid signal. As soon as that show was over and the noon news started, the signal strength dropped to about 30% and there were constant dropouts.

Don't know if it was a coincidence or not, but something sure seemed solid at about 11:40.

Originally posted by hookbill
Well, pull up a chair, bud and let's knock a few down.

Hmm, didn't I see that you are from Medina also? What's that line from that old movie? "This could be the beginning of a completely detrimental friendship." Or something like that..... ;)

Originally posted by ZManCartFan
Don't know if it was a coincidence or not, but something sure seemed solid at about 11:40.

And it's been falling ever since. Down to about 5% currently.

Not that there's been anything that I've wanted to watch, but I'm wondering what's going on. Is this an atmospheric thing, or is somebody really trying to get me to go up in my doggone attic to nudge the Rat-Shack antenna?

Originally posted by Inundated
Hey, man...

I have a car.

I have an AC converter that powers AC from my cigarette lighter ("power port" these days).

I have a laptop computer with a USB TV box attached.

See above screenshots, captured from a parking lot along the Ohio Turnpike. ;)

I'm a man on misssssion. And I haven't figured out where I'm going next, tomorrow!

OK, so your mission is to drive from town to town check out the HD reception and send screen shots back to us. That's great dude.

While your out there see if you happen to find some women. You know, maybe at a place you eat at or if you go for an evening adult beverage. Then send some hd shots of that action and send it back to us as well.:D

Wide Open West has added "Wealth TV" to the HD lineup. It's sort of an over-the-top travel channel for rich people. Someone in marketing must figure those of us with enough money to buy an HD set also can afford liesurely $100K golf outings to St. Andrews.

Now if WOW can work on some priorities like WVIZ, TNT, Bravo and InHD, they won't lose the HD arms race with Adelphia...

Anyone see the signal strenght on 3.1, it is in the high 70's for me, up from mid 30's
I saw that yesterday. I'm normally at 40% and now its 85% or so. I wonder what they did?

Robert

Originally posted by Valnar
I saw that yesterday. I'm normally at 40% and now its 85% or so. I wonder what they did?

Robert

I'm wondering if it's an atmospheric thing, because 3.1 is about 95% for me right now (the best it's ever been). And 19.1, which has been a problem child for me with (presumably) multi-path issues, is coming in at 90%.

Whatever it is, I hope it lasts!

Couple quick things.

I just upgraded to an Adelphia HD-DVR. Previousely I had Adelphia Digital with a Digital DVR. The signle on the SD channels is HORRIBLE. If I run the Coax from the wall directly into the back of the HD_TV the SD channels look "ok", but through the HD Receiver/DVR it looks terrible. You can toggle back and forth with the inputs on the TV and there's a noticable differnce. The HD channels look amazing as expected, so this is ONLY with the SD channels. One of the folks here in the office suggested checking "sharpness" setting on the TV itself and make sure it's set all the way down/off. Anyone else have any other information.

Also, I made up this list while looking around figured I'd post it and share..

High Definition Television
(Cleveland area Cable TV Options)

Wide Open West (WOW)
[list=1]
200 WEWS/ABC HD
201 WOIO/CBS HD
202 WJW/FOX HD
203 WKYC/NBC HD
204 WUAB/UPN HD
410 HBO HD
471 MAX HD
493 STARZ! HD
** ($10 monthly extra HD Pak)**
210 Discovery HD Theater
211 ESPN HD
212 HDNet
213 HDNet Movies
214 Wealth TV HD
[/list=1]
Adelphia
[list=1]
703 WKYC/NBC HD
705 WEWS/ABC HD
708 WJW/FOX HD
710 WVIZ/PBS HD
750 HBO HD
751 Showtime HD
752 Starz HD
753 Cinemax HD
** ($5 monthly extra HD Plus Tier)**
770 HD NET
771 HD NET MOVIES
772 ESPN HD
776 Discovery HD
774 iNDemand HD
775 iNDemand HD 2
799 HD PPV Events
[/list=1]
COX
[list=1]
702 WVIZ/PBS HD
703 WKYC/NBC HD
704 WOIO/CBS HD
705 WEWS/ABC HD
706 WUAB/UPN HD
730 Discovery HD
740 HBO HD
742 Showtime HD
710 Bravo HD+
711 ESPN HD
720 iNHD
721 iNHD2
[/list=1]

Most noticable in these listing are the following "Missing" channels from the lineups..

Wide Open West (WOW) is missing - PBS (Oh well)
Adelphia is missing - CBS (I.E. Sunday Football and Survivor)
Cox is missing - FOX (I.E. Sunday Football and oh say, THE SUPERBOWL)

-G

Cox was scheduled to add Fox-HD on Dec 1st.

I don't know if they did or not, but I pulled the listings off their site this afternoon.

-G

Originally posted by Groupal
Couple quick things.

I just upgraded to an Adelphia HD-DVR. Previousely I had Adelphia Digital with a Digital DVR. The signle on the SD channels is HORRIBLE. If I run the Coax from the wall directly into the back of the HD_TV the SD channels look "ok", but through the HD Receiver/DVR it looks terrible. You can toggle back and forth with the inputs on the TV and there's a noticable differnce. The HD channels look amazing as expected, so this is ONLY with the SD channels. One of the folks here in the office suggested checking "sharpness" setting on the TV itself and make sure it's set all the way down/off. Anyone else have any other information.



Did they give you a SA 8000 or SA 8300? If they gave you a SA 8300 and you are hooked up with composite try going to the HDMI port on the back.
I found that analog broadcasts looked better that way. Here's another point however: Once you've seen HD and you look at analog it's going to look much worst no matter what. One other thing. Make sure you claibrate your HD set so you can get the best possible picture. This may help on the analog stations as well, I found it did. You can have your tv calibrated by having a professional do it, purchasing a DVD from Digital Video Essentials (25.00 on ebay) or if you know anything about calibration yourself you can tune to HDNet and they have test patterns at 1080i that you can use.

The "sharpness" should probably be turned off instead of up. If you get the DVE disk it will teach you about these things. Good luck

Thanks, I'll look into the Digital Video Essentials DvD. The problem isn't from HD to SD. It's the SD feed from the DvR to the Set (via component cables) vs a direct coax line into the antenna jack. The coax looks better then the component.

P.S. it's an SA 8300 box.

thanks,

-G

So what your saying is you get a better picture going straight from the cable into the set as opposed to what you see coming out of the box. That is probably correct, to the best of my knowledge you will get a better picture that way. What I am saying to you is that if you replace the component hookup with a hdmi connector (either hdmi/dvi or dvi/dvi) you may see an improvement. Emphasizing the "may". But whatever you see it probably will not be as good as the direct cable hook up, all of SA's boxes seem to diminish analog pictures.

Fox HD is active on COX channel 708. Wish they'd add HDNet and HDNet Movies.

Well, ESPN2 has announced its initial schedule, starting on January 6th. Wonder which local cable company will be first?

Originally posted by jtscherne
Well, ESPN2 has announced its initial schedule, starting on January 6th. Wonder which local cable company will be first?

Hmm, January 6th? Let's see, that's after the NFL season and the Sunday Ticket on DirecTV. So D* should have the bandwidth available. Given their propensity for sports.... Ok, I really need that drooling smiley now.

Here's the link. It's all college basketball to start with (obviously)

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tvlistings/espnhd/index

In addition to the recent pick up of WVIZ's PBS HD feed by Adelphia, it appears we're not that far away from the OTA full-power WVIZ-DT signal.

I E-Mailed the station's chief engineer, asking about the status, and he reports back that the issues with Infinity have been solved, and that they're in the process of designing the system. After it's all brought in, put together and installed, they hope to be up on full power from North Royalton sometime in the spring or summer of 2005.

I was surprised by WVIZ's HD schedule. It has totally different programing then WVIZ. Same thing with Discovery HD.

I'm not saying it's bad, I just kind of thought it would be like network programing.

Has anyone noticed how WJW is really sounding the bell (as they should) about their HD newscast? I guess they kind of beta tested it the first couple of weeks before talking about it.

I've also noticed in a couple of newscasts that they are pushing the idea to get HDTV and also giving reasons as to why it is superior. They were talking about HD for Christmas. Unfortunately the sets they talked about were all in the high price area. There were no mention of the lower cost CRT models available.

They also did a "tour" the other day of their new control room. That was done in HD but really other then showing it there were no details.

Yes, I've noticed WJW finally talking about their HD newscasts. I haven't seen any explanation yet, though, as to why pre-taped local material is in SD ;)

(I'm assuming a good part of it is that if it wasn't... they'd be unable to share their news video with non-HD outlets.)

In regards to WVIZ and PBS HD, it's what all the PBS outlets are doing. If I understand correctly, the 24/7 PBS HD channel shows prime-time shows in tandem with the regular feed, if they're in HD. Otherwise, it'd be just an SD upconvert like the other networks, and presumably they it wanted to be a 24/7 service (like, say, Discovery HD).

WNEO/WEAO runs the same feed down here.

I've noticed WJW's HD newscasts, too. I'd been watching their "HD" feeds (8-1) previously but there was precious little to see other than a few primetime shows until recently.

And regarding WVIZ.....their HD signal is useless, I guess my sponsorship dollars are not being used for their HD antenna! I live in Bedford Heights and can barely get their SD channel. If it weren't for DirecTV carrying their SD signal, I would barely know WVIZ existed. WNEO/WEAO I can get quite well with my indoor antennae.

You know it couldn't last forever. Guide data now is missing from Wednesday evening Dec 15 at 7:00 pm.

Inundated, please check the actual data so we can be sure your not on that special cable link.:)

Originally posted by hookbill
You know it couldn't last forever. Guide data now is missing from Wednesday evening Dec 15 at 7:00 pm.

Inundated, please check the actual data so we can be sure your not on that special cable link.:)

Hah!

I have guide data through 12/15 at midnight. It won't go to 12/16.

How many days are supposed to be in there? Can you get this fixed? ;)

Originally posted by neuronbob
And regarding WVIZ.....their HD signal is useless, I guess my sponsorship dollars are not being used for their HD antenna! I live in Bedford Heights and can barely get their SD channel. If it weren't for DirecTV carrying their SD signal, I would barely know WVIZ existed. WNEO/WEAO I can get quite well with my indoor antennae.

Let the good folks at WVIZ off the hook on this one...their full-power DT installation has been delayed entirely due to a legal dispute with Infinity Broadcasting, which owns the North Royalton site where their analog transmitter and antenna resides. (It's also the home of Infinity's WNCX/98.5 and Radio One's WERE/1300, Infinity owns the site.)

WVIZ's engineering folks tell me that the dispute has been resolved, and they're designing a DT setup to the specifications agreed to in that settlement of the dispute. Add in the time needed to order and install equipment to those specs, and WVIZ-DT 26 should be at full power sometime in the summer.

(Oh, for what it's worth, WVIZ's chief engineer says Adelphia IS picking up a "city grade" signal off WVIZ-DT at its Lakeside Road facility near downtown Cleveland. Of course, they have much bigger receive antennas than we do. ;) )

Now, I'm having WKYC-DT problems again. The clear, strong signal I enjoyed from them is now gone. Atmospherics? I know many others on this thread reported a sudden increase in WKYC-DT's signal around the same time I did, but it all fell apart yesterday for me.

I've checked their FCC records, and it doesn't appear they've increased power beyond the 8KW in their license...or even filed to do so.

Of course, I can get WKYC's HD feed on Adelphia, but not having a reliable OTA signal out of them means I'll probably delay moving to a dish...

Originally posted by Inundated
Hah!

I have guide data through 12/15 at midnight. It won't go to 12/16.

How many days are supposed to be in there? Can you get this fixed? ;)



See. There it is, your's is working fine. It only goes 7 days so 12/15 is as far as it goes.

Hey, this isn't TiVo!

Originally posted by hookbill
See. There it is, your's is working fine. It only goes 7 days so 12/15 is as far as it goes.

Hey, this isn't TiVo!

LOL!

Well, I don't notice anything missing anywhere between 7 and midnight on the 15th.

Yeah, I've checked my guide several times since your post. I sent an email out to my contact at Adelphia and she said she would contact headend.

Hmmm...what EXACTLY is headend....does that mean their head is up their ***?:)

Maybe this time it's just me! Anyone else missing data on next Wed. evening?

A headend is the cable company's "home base" for tech operations...it's where they send out all those neat channels. ;)

They can also receive the incoming channels there, though I know at least one or two cases where they import other channels from other facilities.

Thanks for the information, I didn't know that! So they paid my sponsorship dollars to their lawyers. :) I'm glad it paid off and I'll be glad to see channel 26-1 next summer.

Originally posted by Inundated
Let the good folks at WVIZ off the hook on this one...their full-power DT installation has been delayed entirely due to a legal dispute with Infinity Broadcasting, which owns the North Royalton site where their analog transmitter and antenna resides. (It's also the home of Infinity's WNCX/98.5 and Radio One's WERE/1300, Infinity owns the site.)[/B]

It's funny...because normally TV and radio engineers cooperate a LOT with each other, and broadcasters do as well.

Infinity must have been concerned that the new DTV equipment would somehow mess up their signal on 98.5 FM. Anyway, they have it all figured out, so by the time all the snow melts...it won't be that long! :D

Thanks for all your suggestions...

Just thought I'd follow up with everyone on the problem I was having. I switched to Wide Open West (WOW) as my provider. I have NO issues what-so-ever with any channel in their lineup. Same hookup as before. Nothing's changed. The line going to my HD Set is (and was) a direct line from the outside hookup box. Every channel comes in perfect.

The only bummer is that WOW gave me an SA 8000 DVR insted of an 8300 like I had with Adelphia. The installer said to put in an e-mail to their office and asked to be upgraded when they start to release them.

I'm going to chalk this one up to Adelphia living up (or down) to it's reputation.

-G

Originally posted by Groupal
Thanks for all your suggestions...

Just thought I'd follow up with everyone on the problem I was having. I switched to Wide Open West (WOW) as my provider. I have NO issues what-so-ever with any channel in their lineup. Same hookup as before. Nothing's changed. The line going to my HD Set is (and was) a direct line from the outside hookup box. Every channel comes in perfect.

The only bummer is that WOW gave me an SA 8000 DVR insted of an 8300 like I had with Adelphia. The installer said to put in an e-mail to their office and asked to be upgraded when they start to release them.

I'm going to chalk this one up to Adelphia living up (or down) to it's reputation.

-G

You mean you have a choice of cable providers? That's amazing!

I got an update from my source at Adelphia about the missing data. At first they claimed there wasn't a problem. I then gave them a DETAILED explanation suggesting that they actually plug Thursday and look to see if they actually saw anything. They came back and acknowledged a problem and they said that national headquarters was now aware of it and they were going to monitor it locally as well as it may be a problem with the manufacturer's equipment. I don't know if it's as widespread as the last time as once again the only other person I've heard from is Inundated and he doesn't have any problems with Adelphia.:)

What can I say, I lead a charmed life? ;)

BTW, I just checked, and I have what appears to be complete guide info through Thursday night, 12/16. Maybe if you tell me what's missing (what channel/time) I can spot it?

And to that guy having problems with the PQ on the SD channels on Adelphia, who moved to Wide Open West...you're right. Adelphia's PQ stinks on the SD channels. Horribly. At least here, at any rate. And if you're running it through the DVR, it's even worse!

I have a SD set running with the 8000HD box outputting 480i component video. The HD stuff looks VERY good, probably about as good as you can expect with a non-HD Ready set. The combination of Adelphia's poor PQ on analog channels to begin with, added to whatever they use to run the analog channels through the 8000HD, makes it look horrible.

Originally posted by Inundated
What can I say, I lead a charmed life? ;)

BTW, I just checked, and I have what appears to be complete guide info through Thursday night, 12/16. Maybe if you tell me what's missing (what channel/time) I can spot it?



What's missing? EVERYTHING!! There is no data at all from Wednesday night 7:00 pm through Thursday. I have data from right now up until Wednesday night.

A CSR once told me the headend works Mon. thru Fri., so I doubt if my situation will be cleared up until Monday at the earliest.

You just get your feed from another area. Apparently the one with good equipment.:)

Originally posted by hookbill
You just get your feed from another area. Apparently the one with good equipment.:)

Perhaps! :D

I have full guide data on all channels through Thursday night, as I said. I thought you and I were fed out of the same headend, but I guess not...

This morning I checked the data guide and all data is in there up until next Saturday. Either it fixed itself or headend does work weekends.

Oddly enough I noticed as well when I turned on my 8300 it didn't start on channel 1 which is what it has been doing for the past couple of weeks. It was on INHD2 which was the last live tv I watched yesterday.

Where are you located Hookbill? What service do you have, twc or adelphia? I would like to get an 8300, but i was told there are none in this area (TWC NEO)

Good to hear you have fixed guide data again. If you talk to your Adelphia E-Mail contact again, ask her if you and I are on the same headend...I'm curious why I didn't have a problem and you did. (I'm on the old Cablevision "Cuyahoga Valley" system, which serves areas like Bath, Copley and the old Northampton Township, now the north/western end of Cuyahoga Falls.)

As far as the channel start...good question. Most of the time, my 8000 after its automatic overnight shutoff, ends up on 1. I think it has to do with Adelphia doing work overnight...?

Bill - hookbill and I are on Adelphia. I don't know if TWC NEO has the 8300 or not...

Originally posted by Inundated


As far as the channel start...good question. Most of the time, my 8000 after its automatic overnight shutoff, ends up on 1. I think it has to do with Adelphia doing work overnight...?



That's why I said "oddly enough". You would think if they did some work it would start on channel 1. It would be interesting to take a tour of there operations to get an idea how they work.

For those that are interested, here is what channels I get with a Dvico Fusion HDTV3-T PCI card in my HTPC.

North Canton, OH Time Warner

80-1 or -2 = NBC @1080i NBC looks good
80-3 = Channel 3 weather?
80-4 = Channel 45-49 HD PBS
80-5 = Channel 45-49 digital ?
82-1 = CN I have no idea what CN is, its not CNN either "Disappeared, can't view anymore"
83-2 = PBS @ 480i "Disappeared, can't view anymore"
85-6 = ***Crashes***
90-1 = ***Crashes***
93-1 = Showtime Preview Channel
94-1 = HBO Preview Channel
104-1 = ABC @ 720p
104-2 = Fox @ 720p Football looks great
107-1 = ***Crashes***
112-1 = ***Crashes***
112-5 = ***Crashes***
115-1 = ***Crashes***
117-1 = Have no idea
117-3 = QVC
118 = Audio but no video


Anyone know of any other channels that may be lurking out there on North East Oho TWC?

Hello,

My Adelphia friends, anyone have problems with losing sound last night. Everytime I would go from hd channel to one of non digital channel I would lose the sound until I re-booted my box. Strange anyone heard of this. I have an 8300 box.

Thanks

john

Originally posted by linearxs
For those that are interested, here is what channels I get with a Dvico Fusion HDTV3-T PCI card in my HTPC.

North Canton, OH Time Warner

80-1 or -2 = NBC @1080i NBC looks good
80-3 = Channel 3 weather?
80-4 = Channel 45-49 HD PBS
80-5 = Channel 45-49 digital ?
82-1 = CN I have no idea what CN is, its not CNN either "Disappeared, can't view anymore"
83-2 = PBS @ 480i "Disappeared, can't view anymore"
85-6 = ***Crashes***
90-1 = ***Crashes***
93-1 = Showtime Preview Channel
94-1 = HBO Preview Channel
104-1 = ABC @ 720p
104-2 = Fox @ 720p Football looks great
107-1 = ***Crashes***
112-1 = ***Crashes***
112-5 = ***Crashes***
115-1 = ***Crashes***
117-1 = Have no idea
117-3 = QVC
118 = Audio but no video


Anyone know of any other channels that may be lurking out there on North East Oho TWC?

There were more, but about two weeks ago TWC scrambled them. Now the only thing you can get are the NBC, PBS, ABC and Fox feeds (plus a couple of SD channels, FUEL and a Canton indy channel).

I e-mailed TWC today and asked if Ch 19 will be available in HiDef soon-- we'll see if I get a response. The cable channels do look great, but I still find the OTA high def to be better than the QAM feed. Inhd, Inhd2, DiscoveryHD, TNT HD, and Discovery Theater were all unscrambled until a few weeks ago. I really can't complain though since I am only a cable modem subscriber to TWC :)

Gotta agree with you, SKoprowski-the OTA stuff is a bit better!

And if the Silver Sensor just got WKYC we'd really be in business and in no need of TWC!

Originally posted by cristo28
Hello,

My Adelphia friends, anyone have problems with losing sound last night. Everytime I would go from hd channel to one of non digital channel I would lose the sound until I re-booted my box. Strange anyone heard of this. I have an 8300 box.

Thanks

john

Can't say I've experienced that ever! How do you have your sound coming through? Is it DVI/HDMI and through TV or HDMI through TV? Or are you coming out of the box with digital cable?

Cable into 8300, sound out digital optically into Receiver, HDMI out with and DVI input into my tv. Everytime I go to HD and then back to non HD I have to re-boot the 8300. Very strange, last night was the first time I noticed it. Thanks hope all is well with those parrots. Happy Holidays.

John

Originally posted by cristo28
Cable into 8300, sound out digital optically into Receiver, HDMI out with and DVI input into my tv. Everytime I go to HD and then back to non HD I have to re-boot the 8300. Very strange, last night was the first time I noticed it. Thanks hope all is well with those parrots. Happy Holidays.

John

I'd say it sounds like a box problem, but check it out tonight and see what it's like. You shouldn't have to reboot everytime you switch channels. John, assuming you have home theater system for your double check your settings there as well. You really shouldn't loose all sound. Here's a link with some helpful info on these boards as well for you. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=471859

DoubleDAZ put together a pretty neat short cut sheet there you might be interested in.

Here's a weird sound problem (non-HD related):

I'm not getting any sound through my 8300HD on ONE channel: Channel 15 (the local Adelphia channel here in the Shaker Heights area). I get sound with a direct connection to the TV and through a non-HD non-DVR digital cable box, but not the HD box. And as far as I can tell, it's the only station that is causing me problems! (And I watch Les Levine's show, in case you're wondering why I'm watch the channel!)

I guess I can call CS, but I can't imagine what they're likely to be able to do...

Originally posted by linearxs
For those that are interested, here is what channels I get with a Dvico Fusion HDTV3-T PCI card in my HTPC.

OK, let's go through them ;) Or at least the ones I can figure out...

80-1 or -2 = NBC @1080i NBC looks good

Is 80-2 in HD, or SD? WKYC-DT runs HD on 3-1 OTA, and an SD simulcast on 3-2 OTA.

80-3 = Channel 3 weather?

Channel 3 puts up a live color radar on 3-3 OTA.

80-4 = Channel 45-49 HD PBS
80-5 = Channel 45-49 digital ?

Like with Channel 3, the folks at PBS 45/49 run an SD simulcast on their second sub-channel. The first is actually a 24/7 feed of the PBS HD channel. This is common among PBS affiliates...WVIZ does the same thing. Adelphia now picks up WVIZ's 26-1 PBS HD feed - with local IDs - off of the station's anemic temporary 1KW setup atop its building. (Look above for the status of the full-power upgrade for WVIZ-DT.)

83-2 = PBS @ 480i "Disappeared, can't view anymore"

No idea if this is a sub-channel of WVIZ or not, for example. Did you see a "PBS Kids" or some other different PBS superimposed ID?

On other topics - I have no audio problems switching between HD and SD channels on Adelphia. And I just switched to 15 to see how the sound was, and it's fine. (They're running the "Midnight Movie" show now.)

And the "Canton indy" greyta mentioned would likely be local LPTV station WIVM-LP 52. It shows up normally on TWC NEO's Canton lineup at digital channel 585 (!!), which is maybe why it's in there with the HD channels...even though it's most assuredly SD.

Forgot to mention, about the sound problem...that I have an 8000HD feeding just two regular on-board TV speakers. No DD5.1 here. Maybe that's part of your problem...some sort of incompatible setup thing with surround speakers?

And I'm generally happy with Adelphia's HD offerings - aside from, of course, the absence of WOIO-DT (sneering in the general direction of Raycom). But even on my little 32" SD set, the OTA via my own STB looks a little crisper...and the STB is feeding the TV via S-Video, where the 8000HD is feeding it via component video.

It's not that the Adelphia HD channels look BAD at all, but the local network affiliates, to my eyes, look better HD OTA...just slightly.

People must have lit up the phones at WEWS tonight. I was navigating the voice mail menu at WEWS ready to scream at somebody there for flipping the HD switch off at midnight on a great MNF game when it magically switched back to HD... It still amazes me that there's actually a human "switch flipper" on all these HD feeds.

I E-Mailed them about this. The "switch the game to SD at midnight" thing...I've seen at least two times before on MNF. They do usually flip it back, after a commercial break...I think it's just part of the process of switching back in and out of network HD/local SD upconvert/network HD during commercials.

I don't understand why they would switch the game. Is it cost saving for them? Is HDTV second class citizen for them?

Well, I'm never up that late but if they keep it up I'd let them know I intened to contact their sponsors about it (or the network).

Is 80-2 in HD, or SD? WKYC-DT runs HD on 3-1 OTA, and an SD simulcast on 3-2 OTA.

I'll have to check that again. Could it be that one is a digital channel and the other is a high definition channel? I would concider SD a standard definition channel that would be at 3-0 rather than a subchannel like 3-1 or 3-2.

Did you see a "PBS Kids" or some other different PBS superimposed ID?

I was scanning through the channels and I saw a kids program so I made the assumption that it was some sort of PBS channel. I saw something similar with the other channel that I can no longer view which had a symbol on the program with the letters "CN"

Originally posted by hookbill
I don't understand why they would switch the game. Is it cost saving for them? Is HDTV second class citizen for them?

I assume that they have the digital transmitters on a timer set to turn on at noon(?) and off at midnight automatically to save money on electricity and not having a human engineer there to do it every day. I think they just forget during special events or if some live event messes up the schedule. I have seen CBS and NBC have this problem too. WOIO did it last week with NCIS - I forget why but some live event pushed NCIS's end time past 11pm and bang right at 11pm the picture went from HD to SD.

The irony is from what I read on other engineering related threads the digital transmitters cost far less to operate than the old analog pigs.

The NFL Network is now on Adelphia channel 17 in analog. This is a free preview. January 17 the SD channel will be on Ch 178 as part of the digital basic. The HD Ch will be on Ch 778 as part of the HD PLus.
Additional info: You can find the preview on ch 17,37,23,75 or 71 depending on what your local community channel is.

Whatever it is, it sure seems like they have HD stuff on a timer. Why, especially since it's well known that Monday Night Football often pushes past midnight, I don't know. My E-Mail to WEWS came back with a "I don't know the answer, I'll pass it along" response.

I'm finding the NFL Network on Adelphia 17 right now. I wonder if this means NBA TV will follow? That would get actual basketball games, and presumably open up the INHD/INHD2 simulcasts of NBA TV's games in HD, which are blocked now on Adelphia...

NFL Network, as far as I know, doesn't broadcast any live football games in either SD or HD, though they may have a replay or two.

Question for others with Adelphia HD service. Anybody else getting Channels 805 and 808? They are SD versions of Channel 705 and 708.
Don't know why I need 3 channels of both ABC and FOX?

They do have occasional HD content:

(From the NFL Network website)
In Game of the Week, which airs Wednesdays and Thursday nights at 9 p.m. ET, you will see the two most interesting games from the previous Sunday -- but in a one-hour condensed version. Featuring unique camera angles, sideline sound and you will get the story you didn't see during Sunday's broadcast. Available in High Definition!

Unfortunately, by the time the HD channel starts, the regular season will be over, so I don't know if there will be HD content then or not...

I'm not complaining though; NFL network is a good addition to the overall cable lineup.

Originally posted by DBarros
Question for others with Adelphia HD service. Anybody else getting Channels 805 and 808? They are SD versions of Channel 705 and 708.
Don't know why I need 3 channels of both ABC and FOX?

Not getting them in the Shaker Heights area...

Originally posted by DBarros
Question for others with Adelphia HD service. Anybody else getting Channels 805 and 808? They are SD versions of Channel 705 and 708.
Don't know why I need 3 channels of both ABC and FOX?

Not getting 'em here in the Akron area. Where is the headend for Milan? (i.e. Adelphia's main service building) Sandusky?

Maybe they're testing the digital simulcasts of the analog channels.... for better PQ on non-HD channels. I know some systems are doing this. If it is successful, your box would tune to the analog channel numbers you had now, but you'd get this SD digital version instead of the analog version, on the non-HD channels.

Dan,

Can you actually hear the audio okay on 26-10? I realize CRRS is also on the analog SAP channel but my question relates specifically to the audio on 26-10.

Thanks

Gary


Originally posted by intermod
quote:Originally posted by Gbluhm
Is anyone able to receive the CRRS audio-only feed on WVIZ?

YES!!! On my set it maps out as 26-10. It used to say CRRS on call sign block but I noticed today that now its just empty. I get WVIZ-DT at a solid
60 here.

Welcome to the group.

Dan

Hey Gary,

Yes! I know its is a little intermittent. I think they use volenteers to read
the newspaper but there is audio on it right now. Sounds like a radio show,
male and female voice bantering about sports.My Info banner says New York Times and they are speaking about the Mets... When there is audio on it
it has always sounded fine.

Looks like dolby 2.0 Signal strenght almost 60. actually it is just as strong as WNEO just not a favorable direction for me to pick up other stations
but I have logged a few Detroit stations with the Yagi (Jerrold Sharpshooter)
pointed up that way.

Keep up the good work. The video on 26-1 is really great!

Dan

Are any other local newscasts than channel 8 done in actual HD? Or is channel 8 just the one crowing the most? Just curious.

Originally posted by neuronbob
Are any other local newscasts than channel 8 done in actual HD? Or is channel 8 just the one crowing the most? Just curious.

Fox 8 is the only one.

In case you didn't notice, as of wed 12/15/04 Comcast turned on HD PPV in the On Demand section listed under movies. In Jan 05, INHD is going to start a free On Demand HD service. We may get that also.

My contact at the Comcast head end dept also said that CBSHD is coming very soon.
That should be great news for all.

Ben Music

I thought CBS's pregame show was usually in HD? If not someone needs to call 19 and tell them to flip the switch. Hope they remeber to flip it at 1:30PM.

Go Steelers!!

CBS pregame is never in HD. Neither is Fox's (480p widescreen)

Steelers game coming in fine in HD on Wide Open West.