MSNBC will go HD on Monday June 29. Considering we have FAUX, CNN and CNBC, it only makes sense that we should get MSNBC as well.

Thing is now that a new channel launched, we have to deal with the usual red tape of TWC "making a deal" with the provider. Word is only Dish Network will carry MSNBC HD from the start on 6/29. MSNBC is supposed to be a known done deal with TWC, but I haven't heard anything about it launching anywhere soon. TWC has several channels on their current done deal list that are available in limited areas.
BBC America was promoting its HD feed that is scheduled to start July 20. I wonder how long it will take for us to get it???

BBC America was promoting its HD feed that is scheduled to start July 20. I wonder how long it will take for us to get it???

Time Warner in Austin, Texas has had SDV for at least 2 years now. I took a look at their guide to see how different they were then us. According to their guide they have less HD then we do now.

Do I believe what I see? No. I think their guide needs updating, just like our guide needs updating. Just like our guide needs updating. They still have HDnet on our guide on the internet.

I just think based on what I see Columbus has that it isn't going to be that soon that we see additional HD channels.

And come on TW, why don't you update the internet guide? Wouldn't that be a key source to people who are looking maybe for either a cable or satellite provider?

Btw, just thought I'd let you know: You can now keep running tabs on the programming notices page over here: http://www.changedetection.com/log/timewarnercable/programmingnotices_log.html

When TWC decides to update it, that page should start running a changelog of updates starting today and can also email you when it sees any changes.

For those anal types amongst us. ;)

If your old rooftop TV antenna is still in good electrical condition, it will easily outperform any indoor antenna. And don't fall for the "HDTV antenna" crapola. Where you are in Akron will determine whether or not you'll be able to receive WKBN and WFMJ. Regardless, it is improbable that you'll receive the Youngstown stations with an indoor antenna unless you're on high ground with an unobstructed eastward view.I just stopped by the "original forum" to see how the cable guys are doing and lo and behold the first post I see is about OTA!

The trick to getting Youngstown stations from Akron, or anywhere else in N.E. Ohio is the height of your antenna. While I'm in a different area (Parma) the technique should be the same if you are on high ground. I'm 1100' above sea level and get WKBN/WYFX 24/7 with an indoor Silver Sensor (no amplifier!). That's 57 miles from the transmitter. I don't have the same luck with WFMJ, since their coverage area falls short of this area, and WYTV, well let's just say it's a very good day when that one pops in (a very rare occurrence). I also have an outdoor UHF corner reflector that was aimed at Youngstown, but that did not get me WFMJ on a regular basis (Ironically I did get the analog WFMJ on a regular basis, snowy but watchable, it was the best of the analog Youngstown stations for me).

Here is WKBN/WYFX's coverage area. (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT603946.html) If you are inside the circle, and on high ground you should get the signal reliably. If you are too low an investment in a 40' town may make the difference. The key is to be INSIDE the circle! (Checkout that coverage area - besides Youngstown it covers a large part of the Cleveland, Steubenville, Pittsburgh and Erie markets!)

If you can't get WOIO and/or WJW this signal is worth the effort to get! Even if you do get WOIO & WJW if you are a football fan you will snag a few more NFL games on any given Sunday. And now that WYFX is in HD on 27-2 nearly every game will be in HD!

I just stopped by the "original forum" to see how the cable guys are doing and lo and behold the first post I see is about OTA!


It's funny because since you guys all left we've quieted down significantly. This is because just about everybody now has SDV and the HD channels are all distributed. Oh we gripe and moan about service but no way have we been as active as we use to be. Matter of fact we are so desperate for something to talk about my internet service became a hot topic for a bit.

Drop by anytime.:) Thanks for the link and the info.

I just stopped by the "original forum" to see how the cable guys are doing and lo and behold the first post I see is about OTA!

The trick to getting Youngstown stations from Akron, or anywhere else in N.E. Ohio is the height of your antenna. While I'm in a different area (Parma) the technique should be the same if you are on high ground. I'm 1100' above sea level and get WKBN/WYFX 24/7 with an indoor Silver Sensor (no amplifier!). That's 57 miles from the transmitter. I don't have the same luck with WFMJ, since their coverage area falls short of this area, and WYTV, well let's just say it's a very good day when that one pops in (a very rare occurrence). I also have an outdoor UHF corner reflector that was aimed at Youngstown, but that did not get me WFMJ on a regular basis (Ironically I did get the analog WFMJ on a regular basis, snowy but watchable, it was the best of the analog Youngstown stations for me).

Here is WKBN/WYFX's coverage area. (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT603946.html) If you are inside the circle, and on high ground you should get the signal reliably. If you are too low an investment in a 40' town may make the difference. The key is to be INSIDE the circle! (Checkout that coverage area - besides Youngstown it covers a large part of the Cleveland, Steubenville, Pittsburgh and Erie markets!)

If you can't get WOIO and/or WJW this signal is worth the effort to get! Even if you do get WOIO & WJW if you are a football fan you will snag a few more NFL games on any given Sunday. And now that WYFX is in HD on 27-2 nearly every game will be in HD!

http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_tv_service_areas/maps/DT603946.jpg

I'm more than inside that circle, so why can't I get WKBN? I thought Akron would be on the edge of the coverage area but it looks like goes into Medina county. I know I never had luck getting WKBN analog, but I could get WFMJ analog the best, although it had lots of fuzz on it.

Outdoor antennas are out of the question for me, as I'd only spend that much to have a big one installed if I was absolutely dumping TWC(which is not happening, yet;)). Right now I have rabbit ears that consist of two sticks connected to the TV with a 300 ohm line coming out of them and an adapter on the end. If I were to buy a modern set of rabbit ears, specifically one that is VHF/UHF and has the the ring or loop on it, would that give me a better chance of getting WKBN?

If you have to go with an indoor antenna you'll want to try the the Silver Sensor. (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PM-HDTV1-Silver-Sensor-Antenna/dp/B00022O9VM) Place it as high as you can get it facing out an East-facing window (no screens, just glass). Unless you are at the bottom of a valley or have other obstructions you should have a good chance at getting WKBN-DT.

If you have to go with an indoor antenna you'll want to try the the Silver Sensor. (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PM-HDTV1-Silver-Sensor-Antenna/dp/B00022O9VM) Place it as high as you can get it facing out an East-facing window (no screens, just glass). Unless you are at the bottom of a valley or have other obstructions you should have a good chance at getting WKBN-DT.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Ut that silver sensor appears to be UHF only. Don't you need rabbit ears for VHF?

Correct me if I'm wrong. Ut that silver sensor appears to be UHF only. Don't you need rabbit ears for VHF?

If you can get WKBN then you don't need VHF. Only CBS and FOX are VHF, and WKBN is CBS and FOX.

To hell with WJW and WOIO. They're both on the impossible to receive VHF side.

And I know why I can't get WJW. I've been reading the various articles at OMW and other places about VHF. The articles talk about interference and signals being reflected-causing the ghosting on analog channels. Whenever I had my current rabbit ears connected to an analog set, I never had a good picture on VHF analog 8. It had horizontal lines and ghosting. Now VHF digital 8 is unwatchable as well.

I'll never understand what was going through their minds when they made that decision. To be on a powerful UHF channel and throw that away to be lost in VHF neverland. So good. I hope WKBN gets more viewers on CBS and FOX.

Got a message on my TiVo HD. 326 MLBnet is back on the guide for you Inundated. And you're welcome.:)

Nickdawg, the service contour map shows the theoretical limits a station's coverage area. Even though you may be within the those limits, whether or not you receive a station is also dependent on your elevation and any obstructions between you and the transmitter. Michael's advice about the Silver Sensor is on the money; however, you still may not receive WKBN due to other factors.

Michael, while contour maps are a good indicator of one's chances of receiving a particular station, they are not absolute. I am outside of the contour lines of WOIO, WUAB, WOUC and several other stations, yet I receive them 24/7.

Got a message on my TiVo HD. 326 MLBnet is back on the guide for you Inundated. And you're welcome.:)

Yes, you read that right hookdog. After a few weeks of taping Rescue Me and saying "I'll watch it tomorrow", I had to dispose of a few weeks worth of Rescue Me episodes as the 8300 was approaching the full mark and I want to record a few movies in the coming days. So yes, right about now I am very jealous of those Tivos like hook's that have more than a puny 20 hour hard drive.

Wish I could archive a whole season of Castle.:rolleyes:

Oh well, I guess Rescue Me will be on in reruns...:cool:

Yes, you read that right hookdog. After a few weeks of taping Rescue Me and saying "I'll watch it tomorrow", I had to dispose of a few weeks worth of Rescue Me episodes as the 8300 was approaching the full mark and I want to record a few movies in the coming days. So yes, right about now I am very jealous of those Tivos like hook's that have more than a puny 20 hour hard drive.

DWish I could archive a whole season of Castle.:rolleyes:

Oh well, I guess Rescue Me will be on in reruns...:cool:
I know you don't like to spend money on equipment and I've told you this just the other day. TiVo HD only has a 200gb hard driv and the S3 has a 250gb hard drive.

You can purchase an additional eSata drive for your SA 8300. Matter of fact I have a 300gb eSATA somewhere around here designed specifically for the SA8300. If I can find it I will GIVE it to you. That will bump you an additional 30 hours of HD storage. All I ask is you come get it.

All this is subject to me finding it but I think I got an idea where it might be. If you're interested let me know.

Thanks Hook, but I can't. One of the reasons for hating Navigator is the lack of eSATA drive support. With the latest version of Navigator, the eSATA drives have not been working properly. Since there is nothing that says TWC MUST provide that feature, their software support is flaky. People have had more problems with the external drives connected, so until the software is fixed, it's something I'd rather not get into.

Thanks Hook, but I can't. One of the reasons for hating Navigator is the lack of eSATA drive support. With the latest version of Navigator, the eSATA drives have not been working properly. Since there is nothing that says TWC MUST provide that feature, their software support is flaky. People have had more problems with the external drives connected, so until the software is fixed, it's something I'd rather not get into.

I suspected that the eSATA was a major cause of my partial recordings issue. Matter of fact I "proved" it when I disconnected it in the last weeks of Summer 3 years ago. No partials. But I had too much to record so I rolled the dice again and hooked it back up. This was just before the S3 came out and by that time as you know I was fed up.

OK nickdawg, that will save me the trouble of trying to find the darn thing.

Hook,
I'd be willing to give it a try and at least see if the latest SA8300 software may have fixed the eSATA problem or not!

Hook,
I'd be willing to give it a try and at least see if the latest SA8300 software may have fixed the eSATA problem or not!

I just spent about an hour looking for the darn thing. I can't find it.

Either I sold it on ebay (wife may have), it may be in a box somewhere in the basement or I may have even trashed it. Just don't know I haven't seen it in 2 and a half years. Sorry.

It's funny because since you guys all left we've quieted down significantly. This is because just about everybody now has SDV and the HD channels are all distributed. Oh we gripe and moan about service but no way have we been as active as we use to be. Matter of fact we are so desperate for something to talk about my internet service became a hot topic for a bit.

Drop by anytime.:) Thanks for the link and the info.

Everbody except for the Elyria/Mentor area (old comcast). We just keep waiting and waiting and waiting.

Everbody except for the Elyria/Mentor area (old comcast). We just keep waiting and waiting and waiting.

Well, she did say "mid summer." I would take that to say no later then mid August, giving some lead way.

Yeah, you guys sure are getting the shaft. No much you can do except change provider, and that may not be an option.

Nickdawg, the service contour map shows the theoretical limits a station's coverage area. Even though you may be within the those limits, whether or not you receive a station is also dependent on your elevation and any obstructions between you and the transmitter. Michael's advice about the Silver Sensor is on the money; however, you still may not receive WKBN due to other factors.

If I remember where nickdawg lives, he's just up from the Merriman Valley in Akron. That's a tricky area for reception. I live further east from him, not that far away, and I have tried roughly 10 indoor antennas that don't reliably get WKBN-DT. I have some terrain obstructions and problems. It shows up on my signal meter, but not enough to lock.

Meanwhile, I drove in my car just a few miles further east, in the parking lot of a fast food restaurant, and got WKBN-DT with a mag mount rod antenna attached to my portable digital TV, with no difficulty :D

I suspect if I put up a decent outdoor UHF antenna, WKBN would come in regularly. I really can't, logistics wise, here. Maybe if I bought a 2-bay or 4-bay and stuck it in my back second-floor window...

Got a message on my TiVo HD. 326 MLBnet is back on the guide for you Inundated. And you're welcome.:)

Thank you :) Though I did put in my own report from TiVo's website, so we probably both nudged 'em...

If you look at the TiVo data for Fox Sports Ohio on TWC, the name of the channel even says "Cleveland feed" - which is the terminology I used when I told 'em about the fact that they had listings for the Cincinnati feed (including Reds games!) until it was fixed.

Yes, you read that right hookdog. After a few weeks of taping Rescue Me and saying "I'll watch it tomorrow", I had to dispose of a few weeks worth of Rescue Me episodes as the 8300 was approaching the full mark and I want to record a few movies in the coming days. So yes, right about now I am very jealous of those Tivos like hook's that have more than a puny 20 hour hard drive.

Wish I could archive a whole season of Castle.:rolleyes:

Oh well, I guess Rescue Me will be on in reruns...:cool:

I just got a Seagate 1.5 TB EHD for my 622. I'm filling it up with HD movies off HBO and Starz during my 3 months free preview. Plus I already have virtually every episode of a 6 year long series my wife likes. (in SD, it was from the 90's and has been in reruns on several different networks recently) I still have 1.1 TB free as of today.

Dish initially stated the maximum HD size supported was only 750 GB. As long as it's a single platter drive it will work. After formatting I had about 1.33 TB of space (it was measured in gigs as 1333 GB). A 1 TB drive after formatting gets you 930 GB. What's the maximum size drive supported by the various DVR's you guys have?

Nickdawg, the service contour map shows the theoretical limits a station's coverage area. Even though you may be within the those limits, whether or not you receive a station is also dependent on your elevation and any obstructions between you and the transmitter. Michael's advice about the Silver Sensor is on the money; however, you still may not receive WKBN due to other factors.

Michael, while contour maps are a good indicator of one's chances of receiving a particular station, they are not absolute. I am outside of the contour lines of WOIO, WUAB, WOUC and several other stations, yet I receive them 24/7.
Do you get these outside of the contour line stations 24/7 or only when the atmosphere cooperates? Are you on high ground and/or do you have a 40' tower for your antenna?

All I was saying is if you can get your antenna high enough up, if you are inside the contour line you have a better chance of getting the station. Anything outside the lines is gravy.

Do you get these outside of the contour line stations 24/7 or only when the atmosphere cooperates? Are you on high ground and/or do you have a 40' tower for your antenna?

All I was saying is if you can get your antenna high enough up, if you are inside the contour line you have a better chance of getting the station. Anything outside the lines is gravy.

Yes, as I stated, I receive the stations that I mentioned outside of the contour lines 24/7. Yes, I'm on high ground at 1250' above sea level. My antenna tower is 55' tall. I use an old style Channel Master 4228 for UHF stations. It is superior to the new version of the 4228 unless one chooses to modify the new style 4228. I also use a Winegard YA-1713 for high band VHF stations. Both antennas are fed to a Channel Master 7777 preamplifier. I receive stations from Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, Pittsburgh, Cambridge, Steubenville and Wheeling. I've attached a Word document of the stations I receive 24/7 along with a view of my home from bing.com. The antennas are fuzzy but visible near the center top of the picture.

More about my antenna. I put my same old crappy rabbit ears in the front window of my house, connected to the TV with a longer coax cable. After a rescan, I lost 5.1 but I now get 19.1 and 8.1 solid. 19.1 only has about 25-30 signal but the picture is mostly breakup free. 8.1 has about 40 signal and the picture there is solid too. WKYC which was usually around 60-69 is all the way up to 75-80. I can't believe I lost 5.1.

Maybe if the weather is nice tomorrow I'll break out the really long coax cable and try the rabbit ears in the back(east facing) window.

I rescanned later tonight. 5.1 is back and I also have 50% on 8.1. WOIO is still hanging in there at 23%, but it acts up if you walk to heavy in the room.

Hey Hookbill: try putting your antenna next to the window and scanning for channels. Maybe the bird's TV will get WJW back. Of course it probably helps that I have a northwest facing window. Antennaweb shows the signals from Cleveland coming diagonal at my house but the west facing window seems to work well.

I just spent about an hour looking for the darn thing. I can't find it.

Either I sold it on ebay (wife may have), it may be in a box somewhere in the basement or I may have even trashed it. Just don't know I haven't seen it in 2 and a half years. Sorry.
No problem! Been there, done that toooo many times! Seems I spend half my life looking for things I can't find.... Thanks for looking!

great. new HD channels finally and get my bill today and sure enough, it went up 5 bucks. thanks TW, what a swell bunch of people.

great. new HD channels finally and get my bill today and sure enough, it went up 5 bucks. thanks TW, what a swell bunch of people.

Now you just listen here mister. Did you really believe that the bill wouldn't go up after Crime Warner added all those HD channels? You really didn't think they were serious when they said free HD now did you?

I'll tell you what you're going to do. You're going to pay your 5 bucks and be thankful they didn't make it ten. People like you are nothing but in grates.

What's that? You say you will leave? Oh ok here's 20 bucks which they will get back from you in four months. And just for complaining no HD for another four months. They need time to raise rates again.

Also someone has to pay for my TiVo's tuning adapter.;)

^^^ (sigh) :(

Screw this TWC talk, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz back to OTA talk!!

Today with a little more adjustment I actually got a spike in the signal on WOIO, up to 45%!! And before that it was nonexistent(probably the weather). Also WJW has been rock solid today at about 40%. "WOIO viewing position" also brought me 75% signal on WEWS and an end to the macroblocking on WVPX.

I gotta say, this OTA thing is more and more tempting by the day!!! And it works better than SDV ever has!! :D:D

You'll never do it. No USA and WWE. No FX. No CNN or MSNBC. No Faux News. If Tribe ever does well no STO. OK quit laughing. :)

You'll pay your extra 5 bucks just like the rest of us sheep.

Oh btw Tyler only has a window that faces southeast.

You'll never do it. No USA and WWE. No FX. No CNN or MSNBC. No Faux News. If Tribe ever does well no STO. OK quit laughing. :)

You'll pay your extra 5 bucks just like the rest of us sheep.

I think you're right. As much as I hate the picture quality, there are too many good shows on cable for me to miss completely. I like tho think I could do it, but I NEED Psych, In Plain Sight, Monk, MSNBC, CNN. And it makes the TWC bill hurt even more because I am getting 100% better PQ for 100% less money than I pay TWC. Cable digital SD or HD looks like ass. And SDV channels are even worse. Over compressed packed in QAM channels should be illegal.

Oh btw Tyler only has a window that faces southeast.

Try it anyway. Especially VHF signals have a harder time penetrating walls so if it is by a window, you may get better results. If I can get watchable picture on 3kW WOIO in Akron, you should be able to get something further north.

I watching Malcolm in the Middle on WJW right now with a solid breakup free picture with a 34% signal. With the antenna repositioned, I can get close to 50(which I had during the 6pm news). This is with standard "stick" rabbit ears. If you have one of those triangular antennas or a rabbit ears with UHF ring antenna, that should work even better. But I'm still holding out hope that WJW will move back to UHF 31, permanently.

Now you just listen here mister. Did you really believe that the bill wouldn't go up after Crime Warner added all those HD channels? You really didn't think they were serious when they said free HD now did you?

I'll tell you what you're going to do. You're going to pay your 5 bucks and be thankful they didn't make it ten. People like you are nothing but in grates.

What's that? You say you will leave? Oh ok here's 20 bucks which they will get back from you in four months. And just for complaining no HD for another four months. They need time to raise rates again.

Also someone has to pay for my TiVo's tuning adapter.;)
I guess I should be happy they only raised my franchise fee 63 cents, ha! Maybe it's time to check into how much it will cost to cut down all these tree around my house so I can get satellite. I suppose I could drop my internet to the cheaper price and save $5 bucks. oh so many options.

I guess I should be happy they only raised my franchise fee 63 cents, ha! Maybe it's time to check into how much it will cost to cut down all these tree around my house so I can get satellite. I suppose I could drop my internet to the cheaper price and save $5 bucks. oh so many options.

Try DSL. If AT&T is in your area, they're good and you can get it for $19.95. TWC is overpriced and the service they provide is not worth it. And now that I've seen over the air HDTV, I'm starting to think their TV service isn't worth the money either.

Satellite is no better than cable. Once the insanely cheap introductory rates end, they are as expensive or more than TWC. Plus customer service is worse. More like nonexistent. And of course the signal dropouts in rain/snow/clouds.

Since last night TWC broadcast has been dropping (TV screen goes black for a second every now and again); when I rewind DVR to place where TV screen goes black, the playback freezes/pixillates for a second in the same exact spot. 2nd, non-digital box/TV seems OK. Still doing it this morning.

I know it's not TV as a BR disc plays w/ no drops. Whatcha think, TWC transmission problem or is DVR (SA8300) fritzing out? Cables, etc. all checked and OK.

I'm thinking the DVR is the culprit. :(

Since last night TWC broadcast has been dropping (TV screen goes black for a second every now and again); when I rewind DVR to place where TV screen goes black, the playback freezes/pixillates for a second in the same exact spot. 2nd, non-digital box/TV seems OK. Still doing it this morning.

I know it's not TV as a BR disc plays w/ no drops. Whatcha think, TWC transmission problem or is DVR (SA8300) fritzing out? Cables, etc. all checked and OK.

I'm thinking the DVR is the culprit. :(

I don't think it's the DVR. What channel where you watching? If it was on a SDV channel I'd say SDV is the culprit. If you were on a non SDV HD channel it could have been a broadcast issue.

SA8300 is a pos but in live mode it does a decent job of delivering the picture. The fact that you rewound and found pixelation in the area if anything shows the DVR was doing it's job.

Drop outs like you describe happen from time to time, however if it happens consistently all the time then you may want to consider trading in the DVR. But I wouldn't let one incident cause you to be alarmed.

I don't think it's the DVR. What channel where you watching? If it was on a SDV channel I'd say SDV is the culprit. If you were on a non SDV HD channel it could have been a broadcast issue.

SA8300 is a pos but in live mode it does a decent job of delivering the picture. The fact that you rewound and found pixelation in the area if anything shows the DVR was doing it's job.

Drop outs like you describe happen from time to time, however if it happens consistently all the time then you may want to consider trading in the DVR. But I wouldn't let one incident cause you to be alarmed.

Well, this is just peachy. TWC rep had me reset the boxes (both basic and HD DVR) and after reboot:

- No time info displays on box, only channel
- Channels very limited, ie. No HD channels, just misc channels like History, PBS, 200's & 300's mostly. No locals.
- No guide information
- Hitting info button brings up "Advanced Services are still not available" message
- Service rep cannot send signal to either box
- "We can have a service rep out by Tuesday night"

Wonder if it's my external line? They can't seem to get info to the boxes.

Arghhhhhh....

Well, this is just peachy. TWC rep had me reset the boxes (both basic and HD DVR) and after reboot:

- No time info displays on box, only channel
- Channels very limited, ie. No HD channels, just misc channels like History, PBS, 200's & 300's mostly. No locals.
- No guide information
- Hitting info button brings up "Advanced Services are still not available" message
- Service rep cannot send signal to either box
- "We can have a service rep out by Tuesday night"

Wonder if it's my external line? They can't seem to get info to the boxes.

Arghhhhhh....

I told you not to press the panic button. Now looked what happened.;)

Do you have a regular SA 8300 or HDC?

Your box is dead. I had a similar problem with my 8300HD where it would not load the software and it would come on with only the channels under 100 and no DVR or guide. Sometimes the digital services would return soon other times it would sit there with the boot screen on forever and not load for hours or days.

That box is done, you'll have to replace it.

*sigh*

It's just temporary. Try rebooting the box again til it comes back up and don't bother with the idiot techs and for the love of god, do NOT touch any buttons on the box or the remote until the Mystro boot sequence finishes.

If it still continues to do this after a couple reboot attempts, then I would begin by looking at the incoming line as a culprit before assuming the box is dead.

Guys I'm showing no guide data for 6/9 on the SA 8300. The date is there but data empty. Anyone have guide data for 6/9 on any SA box?

Last time this happened I had to go to the Macedonia office and force them to turn on their tv to prove there was no data. I can probably fix it with a phone call on Monday if necessary but I have to know if it is just my box.

I have guise data on both of my boxes.

Have you had any mail from TWC other than a bill lately? According to SatchMan on the Navigator page, one of the signs that Navigator is coming soon is a lack of guide data far out in the week.

And if it does not do that, you could have Navigator sooner rather than later. Actually, about 2-3 weeks before we got Navigator, I do remember the box advancing only one or two days with repeated regularity. If the box is not generating Passport/SARA data after a certain day, following a reboot, you could be hit with Navigator at any time. Even if seven days of program advancing comes back after the reboot, you could still be hit with Navigator soon. Watch for things like:

Being able to only browse only one or two days ahead repeatedly.

Unexpected pixiation in the picture, especially on digital stations.

Your box rebooting several times a day.

Info in the mail about Navigator, Phone calls, E-mails, or a combination of these things.

Large traffic about Navigator on the Navigator boards and cities where a roll-out is expected.

If you have 3 or more of those things happening, you could almost expect Navigator within days to two weeks maximum.

Jack

Are you having any of those problems beside the guise data? Navigator might be coming. :(

Not to my knowledge nickdawg. But I hardly use this box, my wife wanted to program Big Brother and that's when I saw the guide data issue.

We will wait until tomorrow and if no guide data I will reboot the box. If still no data on Monday i'll give my TW contact a call.

Guys I'm showing no guide data for 6/9 on the SA 8300. The date is there but data empty. Anyone have guide data for 6/9 on any SA box?

Last time this happened I had to go to the Macedonia office and force them to turn on their tv to prove there was no data. I can probably fix it with a phone call on Monday if necessary but I have to know if it is just my box.

I am having the same issues here too but my guide data is not shown from 7/8 wednesday through friday 7/10 :confused:

I am having the same issues here too but my guide data is not shown from 7/8 wednesday through friday 7/10 :confused:

I have guide data on 7/8, just not 7/9. I haven't looked today to see about 7/10. Since you are ex Adelphia you probably have SARA. It's odd that you would be missing a date that I actually have since we both use the same guide.

nickdawg I believe the data you get for Navigator is different then the one SARA has. If I see no data for 7/10 I may give a call in today. You never know she may be there, she's been there before on holidays so I wouldn't be totally surprised.

I'm a little paranoid about rebooting the box myself since I originally had isssues with the install, however I know it rebooted when we had a power outage last week. It had to of even though I have a generator it doesn't come on for like about 15 seconds after the power goes out.

I'll check the box in a bit to see what's up with 7/10 data. If it's still the same I'll place a call in to head end and see if they can't fix it. This may not happen until Monday if my contact is not in.

Any other ex Adelphia people having issues with the guide data beyond 7/8?

Correction: I do not have guide data for 7/8. My wife had the remote when she showed me I ASS u Me d that she had checked the 8th too.

no guide data here either
former adelphia
and I wanted to setup for the new shows next week

no guide data here either
former adelphia
and I wanted to setup for the new shows next week

Yep, I've already placed a call into head end. Hopefully she will not be on an extended holiday, otherwise this could be a bit of a battle.

I think she checks her voice mail even when she's not there so hopefully someone will take care of this soon.

Another reason why I hate TW DVR's. At least when I have a problem with guide data with my TiVo it's usually just one channel and probably something I don't record anyway. Plus TiVo's guide data goes out almost two weeks.

I feel like I've been sucked into the SA 8300 nightmare again.

OK all you people with missing guide data I just heard back from my contact at TW and it is a known issue. Guide data should be back soon, no eta but they are working on it.:)

I told you not to press the panic button. Now looked what happened.;)

Do you have a regular SA 8300 or HDC?

Your box is dead. I had a similar problem with my 8300HD where it would not load the software and it would come on with only the channels under 100 and no DVR or guide. Sometimes the digital services would return soon other times it would sit there with the boot screen on forever and not load for hours or days.

That box is done, you'll have to replace it.

*sigh*

It's just temporary. Try rebooting the box again til it comes back up and don't bother with the idiot techs and for the love of god, do NOT touch any buttons on the box or the remote until the Mystro boot sequence finishes.

If it still continues to do this after a couple reboot attempts, then I would begin by looking at the incoming line as a culprit before assuming the box is dead.

I should just duct tape my hands together and have someone tie me to a chair when stuff happens, own worst enemy.

Went out last night, ate some ribs, came home 5 hours later and all was back to normal. I guess it just fixed itself.

thanks for all the input, i'll lock the boxes in a glass case where I can't get at 'em. :D

Guide data is up in my area now.

guide her now too
set dvr to record Warehouse 13 and Eureka
former adelphia

and I wanted to setup for the new shows next week

New shows? :confused::confused::confused: It's summer...

Guide data is up in my area now.

Too bad. I was hoping TWC would punish you guys with Navigator too. :(

Went out last night, ate some ribs, came home 5 hours later and all was back to normal. I guess it just fixed itself.

Well, duh.... Everything's better after ribs...

Once again NBC programming took the back seat was strapped to the roof of the car so the Indians could be shown in prime time. At least this time the TV schedule correctly listed what was going to be shown latenight. One of these shows is the NBC fireworks special from New York. Of course this is in high definition and since WKYC has recorded HD in the past(Chuck as well as daily syndicated programming), I figured the latenight shows would be HD as well. I was wrong. At 2 I turned on "Lings" and what did I find? A effing windowboxed nightmare!! Why, oh why did the tard that pressed "record" tonight have to record the effing ANALOG FEED??? :mad: And to add insults to injury a HIGH DEFINITION Romona Robinson commercial aired during the SD episode of Kings. Obviously you can record HD, so why not record NBC programming in HD?? Chuck was perfect presented in HD in April. But no, not only was what would be a stunning event in HD not shown when it was intended, but now it is going to be shown in standard definition and make my TV screen a few sizes smaller.

I thought this transition was going to make things better. It would seem that no longer having two channels to work with would simplify things. Tape it in HD and the SD viewers get it with the sides cropped off. What could be easier than that? But no, the HD viewers get pissed on and the SD viewers get the same thing that used to be on the analog OTA channel. Did I forget to mention THE HD VIEWERS GET PISSED ON!!

But I guess it is no surprise. "Cleveland #1 Newscast" (as the HD promo points out) has been seriously slipping at the hands of Gannet's morons lately. Single anchor newscasts, layoffs/firings, paid programming in primetime. The numbers may say 1st place, but the product I view appears to be closer to WOIO, if you know what I mean. BoBo the chimp who works the control room should be sent to bed without dessert tonight for not recording the HD channel.

It's times like this I really miss WFMJ...

If it helps keep the argument going, I absolutely HATE that WFMJ now does centercut on the analog channel with primetime programming. Thank god for WKYC keeping every piece of the picture intact and running it letterboxed. :D

If it helps keep the argument going, I absolutely HATE that WFMJ now does centercut on the analog channel with primetime programming. Thank god for WKYC keeping every piece of the picture intact and ruining it letterboxed. :D

Fixed it. (wink) ;)

Wow, you just made me love WFMJ even more. I despise letterbox and I was looking forward to its demise after the analog 3 went away. But no, those @$$holes are repackaging their OTA analog feed for TWC. So the viewer loses twice: A sh-tty analog source feed converted to digital and a jacked up letterbox presentation. I no longer watch WKYC on any TV other than my HD set. I love center cut and I think I'm going to get a converter just for that.

Correction: The SD Viewer loses THREE TIMES:
1. Crappy analog source feed
2. Ugly ass letterbox picture
3. No time/temperature bug on the Today show

WOIO Weather Now (channel 371) is now my go to weather channel in the morning.

anything new from TW on when the next Release of HD channels will be ..and what they might be..

See this is why I prefer O&O stations then network stations. At least in L.A. we never had a problem with sports interfering with local network broadcasting.

anything new from TW on when the next Release of HD channels will be ..and what they might be..

The answer is no, you won't be getting any this month. Enjoy your rate increase.:p;)

If this has been posted already I apologize but I think it's important for the Elyria/Mentor area:

The launch of these HD services is postponed and no new date is available for some areas: Standard HD: Bravo, CNBC, The Learning Channel, Animal Planet, ABC Family.
Digital Basic Tier HD: ESPN News and MLB
On or after June 15, the following services will be added in many areas:
Standard HD: Bravo, CNBC, The Learning Channel, Animal Planet, ABC Family, Lifetime Movie Network, Travel, AMC, Golf, FX, Fox News, CNN.
Digital Basic Tier HD: ESPN News, MLB, National Geographic and Science Channel, Versus, Speed, ESPNU.
On or after June 15th: the following services will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier on a community by community basis in the greater Cleveland area: Versus, Speed, ESPNU.
On or after June 15th: the following services will be added to HD for customers subscribing to the MLB Extra Innings or NHL Center Ice packages on a community by community basis in the greater Cleveland area: Game HD.
On or after July 15, the following services will be added to Standard HD in the Elyria area: Lifetime Movie Network, Travel, AMC.
On or after July 15 WNWO HD will be added to the standard HD tier in areas where this is carried as a broadcast channel.
On or after July 15, the following services will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier in the Elyria area: Versus, Speed, ESPNU.
On or after July 15, the following services will be added to HD for customers subscribing to the MLB Extra Innings or NHL Center Ice packages in the Elyria area: Game HD
On or after June 26, Smithsonian HD on Demand will be added.
On or after July 15, WNEO Fusion and WNEO MHz Worldview will be added to Digital Access in some areas. In other areas WVIZ Ohio and WVIZ World will be added to Digital Access.
On or after July 13, 2009 the following changes will take place: Jewelry TV will be dropped from expanded basic and our digital level of service and ONTV will be added to expanded basic and our digital level of service; Shopping Plus will be dropped from our digital level of service and Liquidation will be added to our digital level of service.
On or after July 25, 2009, LoMejor On Demand will be added and SportsTime Ohio On Demand carriage will be resumed.

Familyland Network is ceasing operations and will be dropped from our Digital Choice Package.

See this is why I prefer O&O stations then network stations. At least in L.A. we never had a problem with sports interfering with local network broadcasting.

Tell me about it. I used to hate WEWS with a burning passion because of their antics(dumping network programming or movies for local s--t), but recently they've really changed their ways and become a decent station. Also WOIO isn't doing a repeat performance of the infomercials in CBS primetime. Must've been slammed with emails, I know I sent one.

Now WKYC is sliding down the pooper. Apparently this isn't something unusual, as Gannet as a whore is making cutbacks in their TV station and newspaper divisions. Of course that's going to affect what we see. Single anchor shows, incompetent people doing jobs; in other words: WOIO.

If this has been posted already
[...]
Familyland Network is ceasing operations and will be dropped from our Digital Choice Package.

In other words, TWC is adding and deleting a bunch of worthless garbage channels. Familyland? Never knew what it is or that we had it. Won't miss it. The new crap added, who cares.

I want MSNBC HD, Spike HD, Weather Channel HD, WGN HD, Style HD.

The answer is no, you won't be getting any this month. Enjoy your rate increase.:p;)

for nothing...

Ops..I should have said...Thanks TW for nothing...lol

Once again NBC programming took the back seat was strapped to the roof of the car so the Indians could be shown in prime time. At least this time the TV schedule correctly listed what was going to be shown latenight. One of these shows is the NBC fireworks special from New York. Of course this is in high definition and since WKYC has recorded HD in the past(Chuck as well as daily syndicated programming), I figured the latenight shows would be HD as well. I was wrong. At 2 I turned on "Lings" and what did I find? A effing windowboxed nightmare!! Why, oh why did the tard that pressed "record" tonight have to record the effing ANALOG FEED??? :mad: And to add insults to injury a HIGH DEFINITION Romona Robinson commercial aired during the SD episode of Kings. Obviously you can record HD, so why not record NBC programming in HD?? Chuck was perfect presented in HD in April. But no, not only was what would be a stunning event in HD not shown when it was intended, but now it is going to be shown in standard definition and make my TV screen a few sizes smaller.

I thought this transition was going to make things better. It would seem that no longer having two channels to work with would simplify things. Tape it in HD and the SD viewers get it with the sides cropped off. What could be easier than that? But no, the HD viewers get pissed on and the SD viewers get the same thing that used to be on the analog OTA channel. Did I forget to mention THE HD VIEWERS GET PISSED ON!!

But I guess it is no surprise. "Cleveland #1 Newscast" (as the HD promo points out) has been seriously slipping at the hands of Gannet's morons lately. Single anchor newscasts, layoffs/firings, paid programming in primetime. The numbers may say 1st place, but the product I view appears to be closer to WOIO, if you know what I mean. BoBo the chimp who works the control room should be sent to bed without dessert tonight for not recording the HD channel.

It's times like this I really miss WFMJ...Don't be so quick to blame WKYC. We watched the CBS fireworks show "live" and it too was in SD 4X3. I even had a 2nd CBS feed to double check (my favorite CBS station WKBN) and it too was in 4X3. Ironically some commercials were in 16 x 9 HD but the actual event was SD. Maybe it was because Craig Ferguson was the host (his Late Night show is still in SD), or perhaps these fireworks were a rerun from a previous year?!? This is 2009. C'mon CBS get with it! Who wants to see fireworks in SD in this day and age.

If this has been posted already I apologize but I think it's important for the Elyria/Mentor area:


On or after July 15 WNWO HD will be added to the standard HD tier in areas where this is carried as a broadcast channel.


I don't believe the WNWO addition was meant for the former Comcast zone

Don't be so quick to blame WKYC. We watched the CBS fireworks show "live" and it too was in SD 4X3. I even had a 2nd CBS feed to double check (my favorite CBS station WKBN) and it too was in 4X3. Ironically some commercials were in 16 x 9 HD but the actual event was SD. Maybe it was because Craig Ferguson was the host (his Late Night show is still in SD), or perhaps these fireworks were a rerun from a previous year?!? This is 2009. C'mon CBS get with it! Who wants to see fireworks in SD in this day and age.

NBC was WKYC's fault. According to the topic on the HDTV Programming topic, NBC had their show in HD this year and in years past. CBS was SD from the network this year.

What WKYC did was inexcusable because they have shown Chuck and Friday Night Lights in HD in the past. It makes no sense why they would record the analog feed now, when analog TV is over and they have HD recording equipment.

Don't be so quick to blame WKYC. We watched the CBS fireworks show "live" and it too was in SD 4X3. I even had a 2nd CBS feed to double check (my favorite CBS station WKBN) and it too was in 4X3. Ironically some commercials were in 16 x 9 HD but the actual event was SD. Maybe it was because Craig Ferguson was the host (his Late Night show is still in SD), or perhaps these fireworks were a rerun from a previous year?!? This is 2009. C'mon CBS get with it! Who wants to see fireworks in SD in this day and age.
I guess I'll have to get the HD footage my son-in-law took from Hoboken where he watched it live on Saturday night! He said it came out spectacular, much better than he had ever expected. I was happy with my front-row seat at the Solon fireworks... it was a great show!

There is no longer any mention of the Elyria/Mentor area about getting any of the new HD channels(SDV):



Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, and carriage of programming services is discontinued only in rare circumstances. The following agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future.

WBNX, WAOH, WIVM, WOHZ, WYFX HD, WYTV, WKBN HD, WTVG, Lifeskool On Demand, Lifetime, Great American Country, GSN, BBC America On Demand, Inspirational Life, FSN Pittsburgh, NBA TV, E!, ShopNBC, Logo, Style, Weather Channel.
On or after June 15th: the following services will be added to Standard HD on a community by community basis in the greater Cleveland area: Lifetime Movie Network, Travel, and AMC.
On or after June 15th: the following services will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier on a community by community basis in the greater Cleveland area: Versus, Speed, ESPNU.
On or after June 15th: the following services will be added to HD for customers subscribing to the MLB Extra Innings or NHL Center Ice packages on a community by community basis in the greater Cleveland area: Game HD.
On July 1, 2009, Familyland Network ceased operation and is no longer available on the Digital Choice Tier.
On or after July 13, 2009 the following changes will take place: Jewelry TV will be dropped from expanded basic and our digital level of service and ONTV will be added to expanded basic and our digital level of service; Shopping Plus will be dropped from our digital level of service and Liquidation will be added to our digital level of service. WVIZ Ohio and WVIZ World will be added to Digital Access.
On or after June 15, the following services will be added in many areas:
Standard HD: Bravo, CNBC, The Learning Channel, Animal Planet, ABC Family, Lifetime Movie Network, Travel, AMC, Golf, FX, Fox News, CNN.
Digital Basic Tier HD: ESPN News, MLB, National Geographic and Science Channel, Versus, Speed, ESPNU.
On or after June 15th: the following services will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier on a community by community basis in the greater Cleveland area: Versus, Speed, ESPNU.
On or after June 15th: the following services will be added to HD for customers subscribing to the MLB Extra Innings or NHL Center Ice packages on a community by community basis in the greater Cleveland area: Game HD.
On or after July 15, WNEO Fusion and WNEO MHz Worldview will be added to Digital Access.
On or after July 15 WNWO HD will be added to the standard HD tier in areas where the broadcast channel is carried.
On or after July 25, 2009, LoMejor On Demand will be added and SportsTime Ohio On Demand carriage will be resumed.
In the Cadiz area on or after August11, 2009, the following networks will be added to the Lifeline Basic level of service: WTRF/ABC Multicast and WTRF/FOX Multicast.
In the Hopedale area on or after August11, 2009, the following changes will take place: WVPX/Ind will be dropped from the Lifeline Basic level of service and WTRF/ABC Multicast and WTRF/FOX Multicast will be added to the Lifeline Basic level of service. HBO will move from position 6 to position 36.
In the Jewett area on or after August11, 2009, the following changes will take place: WVPX/Ind and WYTV/ABC will be dropped from the Lifeline Basic level of service and WTRF/ABC Multicast and WTRF/FOX Multicast will be added to the Lifeline Basic level of service.
In the Scio area on or after August11, 2009, the following changes will take place: WVPX/Ind and WYTV/ABC will be dropped from the Lifeline Basic level of service and WTRF/ABC Multicast and WTRF/FOX Multicast will be added to the Lifeline Basic level of service.
From time to time, we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned: RFT TV, Military History Channel and Crime & Investigation Network may be added to the Digital Choice Package on or after August 15, 2009. Daystar will be added to the Digital Basic Tier.

* Changes will vary by service area. Not all services available in all areas.


Carriage level varies by area.

Two quick questions, are the networks starting to use blu-ray for their movie presentations? I just flipped on Legally Blonde 2 on Fox and man is that picture amazing even on my 32 inch Dynex. With that much detail, I figured it had to be blu-ray but I wasn't sure if they were or could use them. Also, what's up with MSNBC in HD? I thought we were going to get that station added with the last bunch of channels. thanks.

Two quick questions, are the networks starting to use blu-ray for their movie presentations? I just flipped on Legally Blonde 2 on Fox and man is that picture amazing even on my 32 inch Dynex. With that much detail, I figured it had to be blu-ray but I wasn't sure if they were or could use them. Also, what's up with MSNBC in HD? I thought we were going to get that station added with the last bunch of channels. thanks.

Blu-ray is 1080p. Networks broadcast in 1080i and 720p only. As far as MSNBC goes, I'm not even sure it's available in HD yet. And TW has not announced any additional HD channels, see the post above yours.

Blu-ray is 1080p. Networks broadcast in 1080i and 720p only. As far as MSNBC goes, I'm not even sure it's available in HD yet. And TW has not announced any additional HD channels, see the post above yours.

MSNBC HD is available now. It launched on Monday 6/29. No word on when it is coming to TWC, except corporate has said it would be added in July.

From time to time, we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned: RFT TV, Military History Channel and Crime & Investigation Network may be added to the Digital Choice Package on or after August 15, 2009. Daystar will be added to the Digital Basic Tier.

* Changes will vary by service area. Not all services available in all areas.


Carriage level varies by area.

The "RFT TV" mentioned above, might that be a typo and they meant RFD-TV?..If so, That will be a great addition for those that miss the Old TNN-Nashville Network..RFD-TV did sign a national agreement with Time Warner recently

The "RFT TV" mentioned above, might that be a typo and they meant RFD-TV?..If so, That will be a great addition for those that miss the Old TNN-Nashville Network..RFD-TV did sign a national agreement with Time Warner recently
I get RFD-TV on Dish Network. Outside of Don Imus the rest of the programming is geared towards farmers. The music is no comparison to TNN, as they feature only "classic" country music i.e. old Porter Wagner and Dolly Parton shows (at least these shows are in color, probably the oldest color TV productions still being broadcast today) and polka shows.

This network is considered a "public interest" channel on Dish. Amazingly they were able to get Don Imus after his fall from grace. Outside of his hat he really does not belong on RFD. Don Imus is RFD-TV's "ace up their sleeve" to get carriage on systems that otherwise would never consider carrying this network.

Ohhhh boy!! I can't wait till we get RFD TV. Just what we need, another channel with a racist, bigot talk show host on it. And y'all know how much I love country music!! :p:p:p:p:p

I also have had RFD-TV on Dish Network. The reason I compare it to the old TNN is that Ralph Emery and Crook and Chase, both formerly of TNN. have shows on there now..There's also a series of Country Music Specials from the 1980's, many of which were on TNN at one time.While it is definitely a rural based channel, there are actually some people that like that sort of thing..For the record, I didnt like them picking up Imus, but that will end at some point..

After rescanning for channels yesterday, I noticed there is now a channel 47.2, that is broadcasting in HD. I remember someone saying a cable system(not TWC) added a WOAC HD channel a few months back. Now one really exists OTA.

I could care less about all these useless channels that I'm not going to now or never in the future watch. I got so much crap to watch just from FX and USA going HD I got enough to last me until the next Fall season starts.

TW adding some hillbilly channel doesn't surprise me, I mean look at the amount of wasted space they use already. I swear to God I have no idea what's on digital television anymore and with all the new HD the only analog I record are The Peoples Court and TNA Wrestling. I have no reason to look at WGN, don't care if they go HD or not. The rest of these "digital" channels are for people who do nothing else but watch television. It's got to be. Heaven knows I watch enough myself but I really don't know whats on my digital tier.

And Mr. Nappy Haired Imus the only reason I ever heard of him period was he was on the news for making that comment. Maybe once or twice I heard Howard Stearn mention him but I don't even listen to Howard anymore either.

One of the big surprises for me out of all the new HD channels is Palladia. They have some really friggen excellent concerts/shows on there from time to time. Unfortunately due to SDV there are all kinds of break ups and stuff but hey, it's better then nothing. I can live with it.

Speaking about SDV and since I'm going all over the place right now I want to talk about the MLB Extra Innings HD channel. Now I'm probably the only one on this thread who subscribes but I thought you'd be interested in hearing about this.

When a game isn't on there is a screen that shows what game(s) are broadcast that day and the time they will be broadcast. This is all done with some background music in Dolby 5.1.

But as soon as the game begins, off goes the Dolby 5.1 and on comes Dolby 2.0.:mad: I can't tell you how disappointed I was when I first saw this, and why have on a menu screen with Dolby 5.1 just to switch the actual friggen game back to Dolby 2.0?

Well, at least I'm getting what I paid for now. And for the people in the Elyria/Mentor area, wow are you guys getting the royal shaft or what? Putting that mid July statement in there and then pulling it out just blows wads. I can understand the moto box issues but at least turn it on for the people who do have SA boxes. It's totally unfair, I'd be asking each month for a 20.00 credit.

Channels wanted in HD: SPIKE and MSNBC

OK I'll stop my ranting now. Have a good day guys.

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But as soon as the game begins, off goes the Dolby 5.1 and on comes Dolby 2.0.:mad: I can't tell you how disappointed I was when I first saw this, and why have on a menu screen with Dolby 5.1 just to switch the actual friggen game back to Dolby 2.0?
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You may have already set your receiver to do so, but an often overlooked DSP setting for 2 ch audio is decoding to ProLogic II instead of the old standard ProLogic.

PLII is a world of difference over plain old PL. ;)

You may have already set your receiver to do so, but an often overlooked DSP setting for 2 ch audio is decoding to ProLogic II instead of the old standard ProLogic.

PLII is a world of difference over plain old PL. ;)

I'm well aware of PLII. It's decent but not as nice as true Dolby 5.1.;)

I'm well aware of PLII. It's decent but not as nice as true Dolby 5.1.;)

I figured you did. :)

I, like you, much prefer straight DD 5.1 when offered. But many prefer PLII for all low res input (2 ch, 4 ch, 5.1 ch, 7.1 ch in PLIIx).

I figured you did. :)

I, like you, much prefer straight DD 5.1 when offered. But many prefer PLII for all low res input (2 ch, 4 ch, 5.1 ch, 7.1 ch in PLIIx).

I can't recall a single time I ever felt PLIIx was better then 5.1. No matter what the input was. I think that quality of sound depends on the show not the station. For example lets take Law & Order. That show seems to be 3.1 not 5.1 no matter what. Nothing or little of nothing seems to pop out of the rear speakers. But take a show like Heroes, same channel and you have a completely different quality of sound.

PL-11c on my 7.1 system pretty well blocks the rear speakers and makes the center channel jump out at you with adequate levels from the side speakers.
JJK

After rescanning for channels yesterday, I noticed there is now a channel 47.2, that is broadcasting in HD. I remember someone saying a cable system(not TWC) added a WOAC HD channel a few months back. Now one really exists OTA.

This was covered in OMW a couple of weeks ago. Radiant Life Ministries runs all of their stations in HD and an SD simucast. I guess they managed to get all the HD equipment installed quickly for them to be broadcasting already.

BTW until they fired up this new subchannel, WOAC/WRLM never existed in high definition. Perhaps what you seen was someone talking about the post in OMW.

I can't recall a single time I ever felt PLIIx was better then 5.1. No matter what the input was. I think that quality of sound depends on the show not the station. For example lets take Law & Order. That show seems to be 3.1 not 5.1 no matter what. Nothing or little of nothing seems to pop out of the rear speakers. But take a show like Heroes, same channel and you have a completely different quality of sound.

"x" would be if you had a 7.1 system with presence our surround back speakers, so there would be no audible difference feeding "x" to a 5.1 system.

I totally agree on the source material being a major factor. The one area where I use PLII on a 5.1 source is when the 5.1 audio is botched sending false signals of silence to the rears. Luckily it seems like a rare occurrence. :cool:

I could care less about all these useless channels that I'm not going to now or never in the future watch. I got so much crap to watch just from FX and USA going HD I got enough to last me until the next Fall season starts.

TW adding some hillbilly channel doesn't surprise me, I mean look at the amount of wasted space they use already. I swear to God I have no idea what's on digital television anymore and with all the new HD the only analog I record are The Peoples Court and TNA Wrestling. I have no reason to look at WGN, don't care if they go HD or not. The rest of these "digital" channels are for people who do nothing else but watch television. It's got to be. Heaven knows I watch enough myself but I really don't know whats on my digital tier.

Nickdawg, is that you? :p:p;)

And Mr. Nappy Haired Imus the only reason I ever heard of him period was he was on the news for making that comment. Maybe once or twice I heard Howard Stearn mention him but I don't even listen to Howard anymore either.

Other than that, the only thing I know about Imus is he used to be on MSNBC. And I was glad when he was fired. At least we won't have to see his "worn out leather glove" face in HD on MSNBC! :p

One of the big surprises for me out of all the new HD channels is Palladia. They have some really friggen excellent concerts/shows on there from time to time. Unfortunately due to SDV there are all kinds of break ups and stuff but hey, it's better then nothing. I can live with it.

Palladia blows! From the repetitive programming and the unnecessary censorship. Yes, they censor 24 hours a day when: 1. They are not a basic cable channel and 2. Viacom owned Comedy Central shows uncensored programming after 1AM. I watched Lisa Lampanelli the other day on CC and heard the f-word, c-word, etc. And the picture is horrendous. Almost every live concert is trashed by picture breakup. Last week I was excited to see Green Day on Palladia. Let's just say that went to the delete pile in record time. Between the censorship and the fact I had been watching OTA HD for two days before it, the picture (lack of)quality was painful to watch.

Speaking about SDV and since I'm going all over the place right now I want to talk about the MLB Extra Innings HD channel. Now I'm probably the only one on this thread who subscribes but I thought you'd be interested in hearing about this.

When a game isn't on there is a screen that shows what game(s) are broadcast that day and the time they will be broadcast. This is all done with some background music in Dolby 5.1.

But as soon as the game begins, off goes the Dolby 5.1 and on comes Dolby 2.0.:mad: I can't tell you how disappointed I was when I first saw this, and why have on a menu screen with Dolby 5.1 just to switch the actual friggen game back to Dolby 2.0?

That probably has nothing to do with SDV. Depending on the source of the game, it may originate in 2.0. I don't see the big deal. I have 5.1 and 2.0 programming. I don't change it, if it is 2 channel, that's how I watch it. If it is 5 channel, that's how I watch it.

Well, at least I'm getting what I paid for now. And for the people in the Elyria/Mentor area, wow are you guys getting the royal shaft or what? Putting that mid July statement in there and then pulling it out just blows wads. I can understand the moto box issues but at least turn it on for the people who do have SA boxes. It's totally unfair, I'd be asking each month for a 20.00 credit.

Channels wanted in HD: SPIKE and MSNBC

OK I'll stop my ranting now. Have a good day guys.

Ahhhh, who cares!! Elyria/Mentor: Life is not much better on the SDV side of the street. Between the toilet quality picture and the other "Problems" that go along with it, I miss the way things used to be. This whole thing has been a disaster and I feel even more stupid for ever thinking this would go well. Hookbill was right, he always is. TWC is incompetent. And the new channels blow.

This was covered in OMW a couple of weeks ago. Radiant Life Ministries runs all of their stations in HD and an SD simucast. I guess they managed to get all the HD equipment installed quickly for them to be broadcasting already.

I remember seeing that there was a HD version available, but I never expected we would see it that soon. Just like how ION has a HD channel, but it isn't here yet.

BTW until they fired up this new subchannel, WOAC/WRLM never existed in high definition. Perhaps what you seen was someone talking about the post in OMW.

Here it is:

Cox Cleveland in it's infinite wisdom just added WOAC-HD !
Now, I don't think that WOAC has any real programs let alone high def programs.

The post was on 2/19/09, after WOAC shut off on the original DTV date. Maybe that's why COX thought they needed to add the (nonexistent) HD channel. :D

I caught the WRLM-2 channel last night. I dont think its as much an HD channel as a channel for more programs and time shifting of regular shows on the main channel..When I tuned in, they were showing the old "Robin Hood" series from the 1950's..Part of a block that Included

8:30 Beverly Hillbillies (Likely Public Domain)
9PM Dusty's Trail (1972-Gilligan out West)
9:30 Robin Hood

That's all I could find in the way of secular programs on the channel..

I caught the WRLM-2 channel last night. I dont think its as much an HD channel as a channel for more programs and time shifting of regular shows on the main channel..When I tuned in, they were showing the old "Robin Hood" series from the 1950's..Part of a block that Included

8:30 Beverly Hillbillies (Likely Public Domain)
9PM Dusty's Trail (1972-Gilligan out West)
9:30 Robin Hood

That's all I could find in the way of secular programs on the channel..

The on screen data is wrong. Both channels say "Paid Programming" all day. Even Titan TV (http://titantv.com/) has paid programming listed for both channels. Of course the the generic program descriptions when you change channels on the digital TV are usually inaccurate. I'm watching Samantha Who on ABC and it is listed as "In the Motherhood". Wherever the DTV PSIP data comes from is not correct.

And Mr. Nappy Haired Imus the only reason I ever heard of him period was he was on the news for making that comment. Maybe once or twice I heard Howard Stearn mention him but I don't even listen to Howard anymore either.

Other than that, the only thing I know about Imus is he used to be on MSNBC. And I was glad when he was fired.

Geez, neither of you guys remembers Don Imus from his days on WGAR and WHK? He was an idiot back then, too (1970s), but nowhere near as bad as he's become in recent years. But he began making his name right here in CLE.

In many ways, he was the inspiration for Howard Stern. They're cut from the same cloth.

Geez, neither of you guys remembers Don Imus from his days on WGAR and WHK? He was an idiot back then, too (1970s), but nowhere near as bad as he's become in recent years. But he began making his name right here in CLE.

In many ways, he was the inspiration for Howard Stern. They're cut from the same cloth.

I didn't get to Cleveland until 2004. And he wasn't on Los Angeles radio, at least to the best of my knowledge.

Before my time sadly by a decade or so. ;) But I've occasionally surfed past his program when it was on tv in he wee hours of the morning and he seemed like a pompous 'clean' Stern to me so never took interest.

Am I the only one who thinks the pq of not only their regular broadcasts (excluding old footage) but their baseball games is just outstanding.

I'd like to know what they are broadcasting in. I'm willing to bet it's 720p.

If you haven't given a look you ought to. I feel it blows away ESPN and STO. PQ wise STO may be equal but when it comes to their sound MLBnet just rocks. Plus you get Bob Costas who in my book is one of the best play by play men in baseball.

It's on Thursday and Saturday nights.

Am I the only one who thinks the pq of not only their regular broadcasts (excluding old footage) but their baseball games is just outstanding.

I'd like to know what they are broadcasting in. I'm willing to bet it's 720p.

If you haven't given a look you ought to. I feel it blows away ESPN and STO. PQ wise STO may be equal but when it comes to their sound MLBnet just rocks. Plus you get Bob Costas who in my book is one of the best play by play men in baseball.

It's on Thursday and Saturday nights.

Yes it is 720p. It probably looks better than STO because STO is 1080i, like the NBC station they are affiliated with. MLB does look really good compared to the other 720p I can think of: FOX.

This may be unpopular, but I wish more networks would go 720p. Cable and broadcast are both bad. On the broadcast side you have subchannels and on cable it is worse with the squeezing channels in 3 or 4 per QAM. And the 1080i ones seem to suffer more. Part of the reason why I'm so desperate to see WKBN is I want to know how the CBS channel looks at 720p. Even through OTA, I still find the picture less than stellar on WOIO(thanks to that weather bullsh!t). OTOH, I think WEWS is the best looking broadcast channel in the market. WJW is a close second, on local news HD, not primetime(since FOX pre-starves their HD feed).

nick, you do realize that WKBN is also running WYFX at 720p as 21-2? So in that regard your point would be moot (even though the WKBN engineer has worked some major miracles to keep the PQ as optimum as possible on both channels in the limited 18mbit window).

SDV sucks. Half of the time, like right now currently I get the dreaded message "not available at this time, please try again" I am really sick and tired of paying premium money for less than premium service. The boxes 8240HDC and 4250 have to be rebooted at least twice a week. Signal level is fine +5 and +4 S/N 34db. And whats really annoying is the stuttering and pixel breakup right in the middle of what your watching. Technician is coming tommorrow, but this just might the straw. @135.00 a month there gone!

OTA 3, 19, 49, 43, 55, & 25 have the best HD PQ in my area. 8 is a bit on the mushy side like old VHS, just a tiny bit. 5 used to be bad but they have made drastic improvements and they are very close to 3, 19, and 25. 5 had the gamma, contrast and brightness out of wack for a long time but they look pretty good now. 8 seems like they are cheating on the bitrate. These are all local live news evaluations on my part with the exception of 55. Tough to make evaluations when they show films with judder (24P), aspect changes from 2.35 x 1 to 16.x 9 and stretchovision as so wonderfully demonstrated on 47.2.
JJK

OTA 3, 19, 49, 43, 55, & 25 have the best HD PQ in my area. 8 is a bit on the mushy side like old VHS, just a tiny bit. 5 used to be bad but they have made drastic improvements and they are very close to 3, 19, and 25. 5 had the gamma, contrast and brightness out of wack for a long time but they look pretty good now. 8 seems like they are cheating on the bitrate. These are all local live news evaluations on my part with the exception of 55. Tough to make evaluations when they show films with judder (24P), aspect changes from 2.35 x 1 to 16.x 9 and stretchovision as so wonderfully demonstrated on 47.2.
JJK

Wait, so 5's PQ is getting worse? I find channel 19 to be one of the worst channels I've seen OTA. On CSI:NY the other day, fast action scenes were a bit blurry. I've heard about the sharp PQ through CBS O&Os, we definitely do not have that thanks to Raycheap and their weather channel. WKYC ain't pretty either.

SDV sucks. Half of the time, like right now currently I get the dreaded message "not available at this time, please try again" I am really sick and tired of paying premium money for less than premium service. The boxes 8240HDC and 4250 have to be rebooted at least twice a week. Signal level is fine +5 and +4 S/N 34db. And whats really annoying is the stuttering and pixel breakup right in the middle of what your watching. Technician is coming tommorrow, but this just might the straw. @135.00 a month there gone!

I hate to say it, but that service call will likely not fix the problem. All the problems I had in the past were never fixed by the in house technician. It was a problem higher up in distribution. THREE techs came and went before I learned from the last one "there was a problem in the area" since all my signal levels were perfect. And still to this day I have problems on some channels. I can't tell you how many shows I've had ruined on F/X because the first minute and a half were breaking up picture/dropping out audio.

For me, I have picture break up and audio dropout at the top and bottom of every hour, like clockwork. And the breakup lasts for a minute/minute and a half. And I've lost countless recordings because the channel decides to become unavailable.

I hate to say it, but that service call will likely not fix the problem. All the problems I had in the past were never fixed by the in house technician. It was a problem higher up in distribution. THREE techs came and went before I learned from the last one "there was a problem in the area" since all my signal levels were perfect. And still to this day I have problems on some channels. I can't tell you how many shows I've had ruined on F/X because the first minute and a half were breaking up picture/dropping out audio.

For me, I have picture break up and audio dropout at the top and bottom of every hour, like clockwork. And the breakup lasts for a minute/minute and a half. And I've lost countless recordings because the channel decides to become unavailable.

Glad to hear I'm not alone with the picture breakups on the hour and half hour. We get this on STO in Erie, and have for months. STO tried to work with TW techs here, but finally gave up. Guess we're screwed.......

Re: Don Imus...in his WFAN/Westwood One incarnation, WKNR-then-1220 carried him in morning drive. That's when sports stations would basically copy WFAN if they aired duck noises.

Plus, 'KNR was certainly aware of Imus' history in the Cleveland market. When he "screwed up" at WNBC/660 in NYC, he was, well, "exiled" to Cleveland. Of course, WNBC became WFAN, and Imus ran in morning drive there until that recent controversy.

Re: WRLM/WOAC - I get the idea that the "HD" subchannel does run at least some TCT-produced programming in HD...probably including their "TCT Today" talk show. Like most channels labeled "HD", you can probably find lots of upconverted junk as well.

Re: Don Imus...in his WFAN/Westwood One incarnation, WKNR-then-1220 carried him in morning drive. That's when sports stations would basically copy WFAN if they aired duck noises.

Plus, 'KNR was certainly aware of Imus' history in the Cleveland market. When he "screwed up" at WNBC/660 in NYC, he was, well, "exiled" to Cleveland. Of course, WNBC became WFAN, and Imus ran in morning drive there until that recent controversy.

Re: WRLM/WOAC - I get the idea that the "HD" subchannel does run at least some TCT-produced programming in HD...probably including their "TCT Today" talk show. Like most channels labeled "HD", you can probably find lots of upconverted junk as well.re: Don Imus:
I was in high school when Don Imus was on WGAR (it was AM 1220 back then). He used to do stunts like calling a local McDonald's saying he was a general in the "International Guard". He would order 10,000 Big Macs some with ketchup, some with mustard etc. then kept changing how many got ketchup etc. He predates Howard Stern by around 10 years. Don Imus was one of the original "shock jocks" before Stern and without using sex to be outrageous.

re: WOAC/WRLM:
If you see "Paid Program" that's left-over guide data from the time that Multicultural owned WOAC. The correct guide data just started displaying on Dish Network (and they still have the call letters wrong!). I noticed that this incorrect, leftover guide data was being sent over their OTA PSIP data early on. Dish carries 47.1 on the satellite so that data also shows up on the OTA version. When I rescanned I see WRLM 47.1 and 47.2 (no guide data for the HD feed). The same programs as the OTA 47.1 are listed as WOAC 47.0 for the satellite feed.

The first program I saw on 47.2 was "TCT Today" in true HD, not stretchovision. I did catch a daytime program in stretchovision.

What channel (47.1 or 47.2) carried the classic "secular" shows? I would hope that they don't put these shows in stretchovision.

On OTA 47.2 Beverly Hillbillies was stretched along with all the others. Even when they show an HD program it isn't quite right, they are somewhat squeezed vertically. On 47.1 they show the correct 4 x 3 aspect part of the time and slightly horizontally squeezed 4 x 3 at other times.
JJK

Am I the only one who thinks the pq of not only their regular broadcasts (excluding old footage) but their baseball games is just outstanding.

I'd like to know what they are broadcasting in. I'm willing to bet it's 720p.

If you haven't given a look you ought to. I feel it blows away ESPN and STO. PQ wise STO may be equal but when it comes to their sound MLBnet just rocks. Plus you get Bob Costas who in my book is one of the best play by play men in baseball.

It's on Thursday and Saturday nights.
I heartily agree with you. This was one of the first of the new HD stations I looked at after getting my new 65" plasma calibrated and it looks amazing. way better than STO.

Did anybody with a TiVo notice that change in the line up the other day adding ONTV4U channel 180. Well, that was incorrect and Tribune Media in it's own guide has it listed twice, once at 180 and once at 187.

Channel 180 is a mirror channel of the Jewlery channel, analog in my area. Tribune Media, what are you doing?

Isn't it sad when the only thing I can talk about in this forum currently is about an infomercial channel and an error that affects only TiVos?

Took a look at the TW notifications page. No changes that I noticed, still no love for Elyria/Mentor although there is still the vague reference to something possibly happening on July 15. Guess you will find out tomorrow.

Did anybody with a TiVo notice that change in the line up the other day adding ONTV4U channel 180. Well, that was incorrect and Tribune Media in it's own guide has it listed twice, once at 180 and once at 187.

Channel 180 is a mirror channel of the Jewlery channel, analog in my area. Tribune Media, what are you doing?

Isn't it sad when the only thing I can talk about in this forum currently is about an infomercial channel and an error that affects only TiVos?

Took a look at the TW notifications page. No changes that I noticed, still no love for Elyria/Mentor although there is still the vague reference to something possibly happening on July 15. Guess you will find out tomorrow.You are not alone. Tribune screws up the listings on my Dish Network DVR too. I guess when a company (Tribune) the only game in town (i.e. no competition for the service provided) they can screw-up with impunity. :mad:

You are not alone. Tribune screws up the listings on my Dish Network DVR too. I guess when a company (Tribune) the only game in town (i.e. no competition for the service provided) they can screw-up with impunity. :mad:

I didn't know Tribune Media did Dish but it figures they have to do somebody other then just TiVo.

July 15th is here in Amherst (part of the Elyria/Mentor area) and still no SDV or the new HD channels that everybody else in northeast Ohio is enjoying.

July 15th is here in Amherst (part of the Elyria/Mentor area) and still no SDV or the new HD channels that everybody else in northeast Ohio is enjoying.

I have no idea what their plan is. Maybe they want all the Moto boxes back first. But if that was the case they would have announced a plan to have people turn them in.

I'll bet only a handful of people are really aware that other areas get more HD then they do. Still they risk losing customers to D* or E* by not providing the new channels.

I'd pound out another email to Steve Fry asking for a definite date. This is absolute BS.

I have no idea what their plan is. Maybe they want all the Moto boxes back first. But if that was the case they would have announced a plan to have people turn them in.

I'll bet only a handful of people are really aware that other areas get more HD then they do. Still they risk losing customers to D* or E* by not providing the new channels.

I'd pound out another email to Steve Fry asking for a definite date. This is absolute BS.


About three weeks ago I took a day off work and I made the mistake of swapping out my old Motorola DVR box in anticipation of the July 15th SDV turn on. The SA8300 DVR is terrible compared to the old Motorola box. There is a long delay for the picture to come up when changing channels. Its real annoying. I was thinking it may be and HDMI issue but I was using the HDMI on the Moto box. The DVR leaves lots to be be desired too. It may be that I just need to change the way I used to set up recordings though. If the SDV was not comming I would have been more than happy to keep my old box. I wil be calling to to see if I can get a discount on monthly rate until we get brought up to the level of other TWC location in NEO. If not It may be back to DISH for me.

Ray

July 15th is here in Amherst (part of the Elyria/Mentor area) and still no SDV or the new HD channels that everybody else in northeast Ohio is enjoying.
I'm in the mentor area, I'll be checking asap when I get home from work.

About three weeks ago I took a day off work and I made the mistake of swapping out my old Motorola DVR box in anticipation of the July 15th SDV turn on. The SA8300 DVR is terrible compared to the old Motorola box. There is a long delay for the picture to come up when changing channels. Its real annoying. I was thinking it may be and HDMI issue but I was using the HDMI on the Moto box. The DVR leaves lots to be be desired too. It may be that I just need to change the way I used to set up recordings though. If the SDV was not comming I would have been more than happy to keep my old box. I wil be calling to to see if I can get a discount on monthly rate until we get brought up to the level of other TWC location in NEO. If not It may be back to DISH for me.

Ray

Let me know how that works for you. The decent thing for them to do is to give you the newbie discount for at least two months. They may offer you a 20.00 refund.

About three weeks ago I took a day off work and I made the mistake of swapping out my old Motorola DVR box in anticipation of the July 15th SDV turn on. The SA8300 DVR is terrible compared to the old Motorola box. There is a long delay for the picture to come up when changing channels. Its real annoying. I was thinking it may be and HDMI issue but I was using the HDMI on the Moto box. The DVR leaves lots to be be desired too. It may be that I just need to change the way I used to set up recordings though. If the SDV was not comming I would have been more than happy to keep my old box. I wil be calling to to see if I can get a discount on monthly rate until we get brought up to the level of other TWC location in NEO. If not It may be back to DISH for me.

Ray
I've only ever had the SA8300 hd dvr, about 3 of them.

They all do the "delay" when switching channels, because of the auto setup on the box in regards to resolution, i.e 1080i, 720p, 480i, etc.. Which is the best way and only way to set up the box. The "delay" you're seeing is when you flip between a 1080i station to a 720p station, the screen flickers twice and then shows the program.

There is a way to avoid that. If you have a 1080i/p TV, set the SA box to output 1080i all the time. Or if you have a 720p TV, set it to 720p only. Mine is set to 1080i all the time and I have no channel change delays at all.

My SA8000HD is set up to output 1080i all the time to my 720p LCD HDTV. It looks better than matching the resolution in the output.

My SA8000HD is set up to output 1080i all the time to my 720p LCD HDTV. It looks better than matching the resolution in the output.

My LCD TV is 720p native. I have TiVo set to that input except SD channels, they are set for 480p.

In a totally unrelated matter, TiVo decided to reboot for reasons unknown to me. It did this shortly after I requested to record Letterman tonight off the guide.

When it rebooted I noticed the green light on the tuner adapter stayed solid. That's not what you want on a reboot, you want it blinking for a while I think it's 6 blinks and a pause. I disconnected the USB on the back and still no connection.

I did get it back. I powered down the tuner adapter and did another reboot. This time I got the blinking light and it downloaded the SDV channels.

Hmmm, that interesting that 1080i setting looks good on a 720p set too. For outputs, I'd never use the 480i or p. I've tried it before and could not believe the horrible result it produced. It was equivalent to using the S Video input on my HDTV(because that's what it is: a 480i input). SD channels look better on 1080i. Plus I cannot stand the screen flickering when it changes. Makes me think that would break the TV, it doesn't seem normal.

A lot depends upon the TV. When I installed my set (over 4 years ago now!) I experimented with different output resolution settings and found my Panny had best overall performance on both HD and SD with it fixed at 720p.

I've only ever had the SA8300 hd dvr, about 3 of them.

They all do the "delay" when switching channels, because of the auto setup on the box in regards to resolution, i.e 1080i, 720p, 480i, etc.. Which is the best way and only way to set up the box.

It's not the only way to set up the box, since you can set the 8300HD to output everything at FIXED resolution (either 720p or 1080i) via HDMI. Then there is no delay. Whether it's the best way or not depends on your display. I have a 720p plasma display, and by trial and error I discovered that setting the box to 1080i FIXED does not give me better results than allowing the 8300HD to send the unscaled video signal to my display. So I don't have to deal with that annoying delay. (your mileage may vary<g>).

Yeah I should've said the only way to constantly accept the changing resolutions for channels, watch them in native for the channel/station and nothing else needed todo by me.

I have it set that way, so I can take advantage of 1080i on hbo and 720p on espn, for example, the flickering is a pain but I'm used to it for so long. To be honest, I really haven't even messed with only accepting 720p, I'll try that out and see how I like it. I have a 720p TV, prefer 720p over 1080i actually.

and still no new hd channel additions in the mentor area.

I watch everything at 1080i, including ESPN and other 720p channels. I've tried using 720p all the time and I didn't notice anything better or worse about it. And the new SDV channels, I've tried those at all resolutions and they still suck. Even at 480i Palladia looks blurry/blocky during fast motion. I'm watching WOIO through OTA right now, and it looks better than anything on cable.

Time Warner looks at HD troubles

Published: July 15. 2009 1:15AM

Time Warner Cable is adding more high-definition channels in its western Pennsylvania and northeast Ohio division, with a goal of 100 by the end of the year.

But some cable subscribers aren't getting the whole picture.

Some of the recently added HD channels aren't always available -- a problem that the cable company said it is working to fix.

Time Warner spokesman Travis Reynolds said the problem isn't widespread, but he could not estimate how many customers are being affected.

He called it an "intermittent problem'' where some channels go out at different times of the day.

"We have had customers communicate to us issues with certain HD channels. It's not a significant amount of phone calls, but enough that we are currently working on a resolution,'' he said.

Reynolds said he did not know what is causing the problem, reported throughout its service division. "It's just kind of a hit-or-miss thing,'' he said.

In Erie and Erie County, Time Warner Cable now offers more than 40 HD channels, Reynolds said. That's double the number of HD channels since March, when it started to add at least five channels a month as it competes with satellite TV for the HD market.

Time Warner does not charge extra for its HD stations, aside from four channels on a special HD tier that costs $6.95 a month, Reynolds said. Those who pay extra for premium channels such as HBO, don't pay more for those same premium channels in HD, he said.

Some upcoming free programming additions to the HD schedule, subject to change, could include the Cartoon Network, Weather Channel, Biography, Outdoor, Fox Business and Planet Green.

The Times Publishing Company, which publishes the Erie Times-News, is part owner of Erie Telecommunications, which is part of the Time Warner Cable television group and serves the city of Erie and parts of Erie County.

HD CHANNELS
Free HD channels added by Time Warner Cable this year:
-ESPN News HD
-Major League Baseball HD
-Golf HD
-USA HD
-Discovery Channel HD
-TLC HD
-Science HD
-Animal Planet HD
-National Geographic HD
-Disney HD
-ABC Family HD
-Lifetime Movie HD
-Bravo HD
-Palladia HD
-SCI FI HD
-FX HD
-CNN HD
-Fox News HD
-CNBC HD

Source: Time Warner Cable

http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...WS02/307159950

I had two shows that were partial recordings. Probably the HD channel going down. Using BT to get one back the other was just short 2 minutes. Both on the same night one on a SDV channel one not.

I'm still of the idea that they need to just drop all their analogs but the must-carry local channels and go all digital the rest of the way. And while doing that, drop SDV. Will save them tons of headaches and we can start getting a lot more HD channels without fighting with 'Ok, which is more important to add NOW? Do we need to add another SDV slot? etc. etc.'

As I have been researching lately, apparently it is not the FCC locking them into this mess. There may be some franchising agreement stipulations (which are always a PITA. Crybabies who want to keep all their analogs and a ton of digital and HD channels too while running it all on the existing ancient HFC plant. Sorry, not gonna work.), but otherwise is all up to the cableco beancounters and execs. I guess this is one reason why Comcast has been able to get away with it in some regions. Franchise agreements and the like working in their favor.

Read my lips Mr. Jassoe, Mr. Fry, and the other executives there in Canton: Analog is going away. We are in the 21st century. Get with the times.

What is even more pathetic is cable is making people PAY for analog. Even free TV is no longer analog. With a CECB, you'll get a picture 100% better than cable. That's why I'm getting converter box, I hate the garbage analog cable on my TV without the box.

Blueprint for losing cable customers (http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/50894507.html)

Isn't the Beacon Journal great? They've been the best weapon against TWC lately. I've enjoyed reading Betty Lin Fisher's article about their pricing the last two weeks. And then this week I get a card about a $5 increase.

EDIT: Tonight during Craig Ferguson those tossers at TWC really said something that pissed me off. "Enjoy a clear, full screen picture, not a boxed in one". Sounds like they are talking about how a HD channel has bars on all four sides on a SDTV set. There's a very simple fix to that: SET THE CONVERTER BOX TO ZOOM!! It makes a fullscreen 4:3 picture. TWC is truly desperate if they have to use things like that and the ability to use your same TV remote with analog cable. TWC should be in prison for scamming customers. They're making people pay for service that is inferior to over the air DTV.

Anybody get this fun letter in the mail this week?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=147900&stc=1&d=1247721954

Gee only a 10 percent increase
they are unbelievable

There is a way to avoid that. If you have a 1080i/p TV, set the SA box to output 1080i all the time. Or if you have a 720p TV, set it to 720p only. Mine is set to 1080i all the time and I have no channel change delays at all.


thanks Nickdawg.
I printed out the instructions to set this up from the HDTV recorder forum and I will set mine to 1080i tonight.
Ray

as we all know we will all be happier with our high priced bills and garbage picture quality HD channels.
SDV doesn't look like its going to be fixed soon and its halfway through the year they better be releasing 7-10 HD channels per month in August and September to get that 100 HD Channel mark that we were promised

As far as the price increase goes, I haven't seen it yet but it's been talked about for several weeks.

As far as TW goes, hey pick your poison, Comcrap, Crime Warner, they all are bad.

Now if you truly believe that TW is going to have 100 HD channels by end of year, I think you got to be kidding yourself. Of course If you'd ask me in February if we'd have 40 channels I would have said the same thing.

What really pisses me off is in the channels that were mentioned no SPIKE TV. Cartoon network? I've never understood that. What kid honestly cares if his cartoons are in HD or not?

SDV has been a pleasant surprise to me. Pleasant in the fact that not only is it giving TiVo people a bad time, it's doing it to SA people too.

Thank you TW. Can I have another?

What really pisses me off is in the channels that were mentioned no SPIKE TV. Cartoon network? I've never understood that. What kid honestly cares if his cartoons are in HD or not?

More a nitpick, but: Maybe people who aren't kids and care about quality?

Though the way they are going these days with all the garbage and more 'reality shows' than real cartoons and the lack of actual HD content even when the shows are produced as such, I can't even see any kids with a modest set of brains caring for the channel. Used to watch the channel regularly when some decent 'toons were on, but not anymore.

Same goes for Nickelodeon though that transition happened a LONG time ago...

Cartoon Network is GARBAGE. It is a Turner owned network and you know what that means: STRETCHOVISION!! Even stuff that is shown in 16:9, like Aqua Teen Hunger Force is stretched letterbox on CN HD. The only real HD they've had so far is the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon last year. Nickelodeon is a Viacom network so they follow the MTV model: SD programming with sidebars on the "HD" channel.

As far as the price increase goes, I haven't seen it yet but it's been talked about for several weeks.

As far as TW goes, hey pick your poison, Comcrap, Crime Warner, they all are bad.

Now if you truly believe that TW is going to have 100 HD channels by end of year, I think you got to be kidding yourself. Of course If you'd ask me in February if we'd have 40 channels I would have said the same thing.

What really pisses me off is in the channels that were mentioned no SPIKE TV. Cartoon network? I've never understood that. What kid honestly cares if his cartoons are in HD or not?

SDV has been a pleasant surprise to me. Pleasant in the fact that not only is it giving TiVo people a bad time, it's doing it to SA people too.

Thank you TW. Can I have another?

Oh there's no way. I think we will still have 40 HD channels at the end of the year. It seems like TWC quit adding channels. I'll bet it has something to do with SDV. Maybe adding more SDV slots would cause problems(more than we currently have) or they need to rape some more WORKING channels to convert to SDV. If they start putting basic tier channels on SDV, I'm dumping TWC. At least I can watch the analog versions of F/X, CNN, USA, etc. If those meet the same fate as SDV, I'm done. I'm not paying $5 more for channels that are "Not Available". Life is looking better on the OTA side of the street. I watched WOIO HD for three hours last night with no problems at all. The picture was blocky with sound intact once or twice. That is still better than the SDV picture breakup every half hour.

Oh there's no way. I think we will still have 40 HD channels at the end of the year. It seems like TWC quit adding channels. I'll bet it has something to do with SDV. Maybe adding more SDV slots would cause problems(more than we currently have) or they need to rape some more WORKING channels to convert to SDV. If they start putting basic tier channels on SDV, I'm dumping TWC. At least I can watch the analog versions of F/X, CNN, USA, etc. If those meet the same fate as SDV, I'm done. I'm not paying $5 more for channels that are "Not Available". Life is looking better on the OTA side of the street. I watched WOIO HD for three hours last night with no problems at all. The picture was blocky with sound intact once or twice. That is still better than the SDV picture breakup every half hour.

They won't put any of the local HD channels on SDV. That much I can promise you. The rest is anybodies guess.

They need to get rid of analog all together, then put all those ridiculous cable channels that nobody watches on SDV. Of course they CAN'T get rid of analog, at least not for a while but they can take every digital channel and put that on SDV. At least that would free up more space.

Funny, I'm going to disagree with you nickdawg on the HD channel thing. I think they will add more. Probably 6 as opposed to 60 but I think there will still be more added.

They won't put any of the local HD channels on SDV. That much I can promise you. The rest is anybodies guess.

They need to get rid of analog all together, then put all those ridiculous cable channels that nobody watches on SDV. Of course they CAN'T get rid of analog, at least not for a while but they can take every digital channel and put that on SDV. At least that would free up more space.

Funny, I'm going to disagree with you nickdawg on the HD channel thing. I think they will add more. Probably 6 as opposed to 60 but I think there will still be more added.

If they dumped all analog channels except those from 2-15, there would be no reason to keep using SDV. TWC in New York City has more 'must carry' local channels on analog. NYC dumped all the cable analog channels and had enough bandwidth to add 100 HD channels, with room still left!! If they would dump analog, there would be no need to use the faulty SDV technology, there would be enough room to be competitive with satellite.

Here's really the way it should go:

1) Dump all the analogs but the must carries.
2) Make the rest digital only channels and either provide low cost or free 'basic tuners' like Comcast@Chicago uses or send out the old Pioneer boxes or some other neutered equipment for basic subscribers.
3) Put low view channels like the shopping networks, religious channels, and some other channels that are in the expanded digital package between 100-399 here all in the SDV pool
4) If more room is needed (although I highly doubt it), simply start going down the list of channels by viewership and put the least viewed channels in SDV as well.

5) OPTIONAL: Make what channels were 2-99 analogs all ClearQAM for people with capable tv's to continue to watch them without an extra box. The horrid quality after compression is gonna kill any 'copyright' (Feh! *spits*) concerns anyway.

See? Really how hard is that? SIMPLE! 2 is pretty damn easy around here and most other places as TWC already has these channels simulcast digitally (I'm sure even you guys in Cleveland and Akron where they are shitting on you even have the digital simulcasts in the system, TWC just doesn't have them in the channel tables. If anyone still has a Passport box around, go into the diag and do a manual tune and just scan all over. Sure you'll find your expanded basic lineup in digital glory). 5 would certainly be a nice bonus especially with proper PSIP data, but not holding my breath for that.


Now if you REALLY want a radical plan? Either use Docsis 3.0 with some major channel bonding of the whole 5-~800mhz spectrum and make the whole network including TV IP based. Or stretch out the fiber plant the very small distance to the residences and provide FTTH. Can't be THAT much distance to cover as Coax is pretty lossy anyways. The nodes aren't gonna be that far from your home and sometimes right around the corner.

I like 1 - 4. I don't like 5, but I like 1-4.

Just curious why you don't like 5? And I want an actual decent explanation. I am honestly curious here. Making more channels ClearQAM where possible should be a no brainer. Relieves the need for a box if you have a capable tv or other consumer owned device (like an HDHomerun for example) with a QAM tuner but no cablecard slot.

Well like it or not I can still record channels 2 - 99. So if you have a Media Recorder computer or a TiVo but you live South of exAdelphia land you can't record it.

That's not fair and don't even get me started with you nickdawg. Your reason for why you don't want people who do have the equipment not to be able to is pure jealousy.

And not only should those channels be copy freely their HD counterparts should too.

Oh yes. I forgot his hatred of people finding a way to escape from TWC kidnapping and raping them with ever increasing fees. Right.... :rolleyes:

figured I'd give an update about my "channel unavailable" issue I posted about a month ago since we are talking about SDV issues. Well, TWC has been out twice now (gonna be three soon) and the last time out, the tech actually knew something. He was actually pretty knowledgeable it seemed comparatively to the standard dolt they send out. He said my house was about the 10th he'd visited in the last few days with the same problem. He says it's indeed an SDV issue and they don't know exactly how to fix it now but they are taking down memory & QAM stats from the box on those channels and reporting them back. In some areas (ie my neighborhood) it has an issue placing the channel in the digital range it thinks it's should and so the channel comes up saying channel unavailable try again later. He says channels don't go in the same digital slot each time and that's where the issue is happening. If you go to other HD channels that are SDV that happen to be working at that moment and let them sit there for a while, then scroll channel by channel (ie not directly) it'll sometimes fixes the issue for a short time. Indeed he was right. Doesn't work all the time, but at least 50% of the time it does. Medina is another area around here that is having issues as well besides parts of Twinsburg.

At any rate, I sure hope they figure it out soon because it's infuriating to randomly not be able to tune in 1/3 of the new HD channels. He said if I called they'd credit me for channels I said were missing, but I'm not sure how they can do that since it's random from day to day. I can guarentee this is part of the reason they aren't adding new HD channels right now. Adding fuel to the fire if they did probably.

figured I'd give an update about my "channel unavailable" issue I posted about a month ago since we are talking about SDV issues. Well, TWC has been out twice now (gonna be three soon) and the last time out, the tech actually knew something. He was actually pretty knowledgeable it seemed comparatively to the standard dolt they send out. He said my house was about the 10th he'd visited in the last few days with the same problem. He says it's indeed an SDV issue and they don't know exactly how to fix it now but they are taking down memory & QAM stats from the box on those channels and reporting them back. In some areas (ie my neighborhood) it has an issue placing the channel in the digital range it thinks it's should and so the channel comes up saying channel unavailable try again later. He says channels don't go in the same digital slot each time and that's where the issue is happening. If you go to other HD channels that are SDV that happen to be working at that moment and let them sit there for a while, then scroll channel by channel (ie not directly) it'll sometimes fixes the issue for a short time. Indeed he was right. Doesn't work all the time, but at least 50% of the time it does. Medina is another area around here that is having issues as well besides parts of Twinsburg.

At any rate, I sure hope they figure it out soon because it's infuriating to randomly not be able to tune in 1/3 of the new HD channels. He said if I called they'd credit me for channels I said were missing, but I'm not sure how they can do that since it's random from day to day. I can guarentee this is part of the reason they aren't adding new HD channels right now. Adding fuel to the fire if they did probably.


The only time I've got a channel unavailable message was when there was a problem with the tuner adapter. I have tuned to a channel and got a gray screen, but the fix for that I've been told is to scroll two channels up and then back to your channel. Works every time. But those occasions when that has happened are rare.

As far as your refund goes, usually they toss 20 bucks your way as a credit to keep you happy. I remember Adelphia broke it down for me once and it was like .75 a day or some ridiculously low rate that didn't make it worth it for 1 channel.

And for what it's worth yesterday I had another flashing light on my TiVoHD tuner adapter. Unplugging the USB and plugging it back in fixed it. I had to wait a few minutes while it uploaded the SDV channels again. Fortunately the game wasn't beginning for another 10 minutes. TiVo owners note this time it flashed 6 times with a pause. The only time I can't seem to fix it is if I get the 8 flashes, that means it's bricked and you need a signal sent.

I think TiVo is doing something to make the boxes reboot, thus causing the tuner adapters to have issues. I can't prove this other then observing the one reboot day before yesterday, but I suspect it.

At any rate, I sure hope they figure it out soon because it's infuriating to randomly not be able to tune in 1/3 of the new HD channels. He said if I called they'd credit me for channels I said were missing, but I'm not sure how they can do that since it's random from day to day. I can guarentee this is part of the reason they aren't adding new HD channels right now. Adding fuel to the fire if they did probably.
At least you have new HD channels :eek:

figured I'd give an update about my "channel unavailable" issue I posted about a month ago since we are talking about SDV issues.
I've had the same problem here ever since they went to SDV. I haven't bothered to call them - it's pretty obvious that it's a pervasive problem. I do hope they get it fixed, though - seems kinda silly to tell us that we have all these new channels when only a handful of them actually come through.

I've had the same problem here ever since they went to SDV. I haven't bothered to call them - it's pretty obvious that it's a pervasive problem. I do hope they get it fixed, though - seems kinda silly to tell us that we have all these new channels when only a handful of them actually come through.

I'm not having this issue, really. Maybe it's because I don't watch all the new HD channels, but I certainly watch quite a few SDV channels.

All the MLB Extra Innings channels are in SDV. Problems? You bet, freeze ups and grey channels. But fixing can be done simply by changing the channel, wait a couple seconds and changing back. You're usually good to go at that point.

Last night on just about every MLB Extra Inning channel I went to I had to use this method to get a steady picture.

I'm not a cable sub, but I had an idea. For those of you sporadically losing SDV channels: What if you tuned into your favorite SDV channel and left it on 24/7 when you are not watching other channels (your cable box, not your TV)? I wonder if in some way that would make that channel more available until the cableco gets the bugs out of SDV?

I'm not a cable sub, but I had an idea. For those of you sporadically losing SDV channels: What if you tuned into your favorite SDV channel and left it on 24/7 when you are not watching other channels (your cable box, not your TV)? I wonder if in some way that would make that channel more available until the cableco gets the bugs out of SDV?

A couple of things will or could happen. Since I own a TiVo and never power off I'm a good person to answer.

I leave mine a lot on the MLB Extra Inning channels or CNN HD. Sometimes I'll come back to a gray screen. Sometimes it will still be showing programs. Sometimes I have a frozen picture.

Most of us have seen at one time or another if you leave your tv on an SDV channel a message pop up asking if you are still watching this channel. If not the message says, it may not be available and to push select to continue watching. I imagine when I'm sleeping that message pops up and of course I don't respond, hence the grey screen.

A couple of things will or could happen. Since I own a TiVo and never power off I'm a good person to answer.

I leave mine a lot on the MLB Extra Inning channels or CNN HD. Sometimes I'll come back to a gray screen. Sometimes it will still be showing programs. Sometimes I have a frozen picture.

Most of us have seen at one time or another if you leave your tv on an SDV channel a message pop up asking if you are still watching this channel. If not the message says, it may not be available and to push select to continue watching. I imagine when I'm sleeping that message pops up and of course I don't respond, hence the grey screen.
MLB Extra innings channels might not be the best on to try this on because,I presume, they are not programmed 24/7. A similar thing happens with STO HD on Dish Network. Even though STO HD is 24/7 Dish currently only carries the games (and sometime misses a few when there are too many HD games. This is the satellite equivalent to SDV, only it is totally controlled from the "head end" (the uplink center) and not at the receiver. Once they shut off the feed at the uplink center a slide comes on saying "check back often to see if your team is playing in HD". If I happen to be near the DVR when the slide first pops on I can rewind the live buffer back into whatever was shown last up to an hour back. However if I try to rewind even one minute later the live buffer loses the game. The slide is coming from a different transponder and once the "mapping" changes it's the same as changing the channel (i.e. losing the live buffer).

MLB Extra innings channels might not be the best on to try this on because,I presume, they are not programmed 24/7.

Tis better to presume then to ASS U ME.:D;)

OK here's on it works. When a broadcast of a live ball game ends a "Good Night" banner appears. Generally that will stay there about 15 minutes then either the schedule for the rest of the games or the next days game schedule appears. It doesn't have taped broadcast or anything like that just the banner.

MLB Extra Innings is the perfect thing to experiment with SDV. I'd say 50% of the time I return to a gray screen, the other 50% I will see the banner. If I have the gray screen I simply channel up and channel down and the banner will appear IF they are broadcasting a banner at that time. Sometimes they will not show a banner at all.

Remember when I said I never saw the "This channel is not available" message except when I had a problem with the tuner adapter? This morning no tuner adapter problem but no sound on CNN. I channeled up then down and I saw the message saying try later. I simply hit enter and went to my previous channel again and then back to CNN and it is still on as I type this.

For those in North Royalton or other WOW areas, I started receiving some new digital channels. They are pretty much duplicates of some of the analog cable channels, like TNT, MTV, etc. I use SageTV though and want to incorporate these channels into my EPG, but I don't know their "official" station identity.

This is as much a Sage/EPG question as a WOW question, so I'm starting here.

For those in North Royalton or other WOW areas, I started receiving some new digital channels (http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:44133#lineup_425930). They are pretty much duplicates of some of the analog cable channels, like TNT, MTV, etc. I use SageTV though and want to incorporate these channels into my EPG, but I don't know their "official" station identity.

This is as much a Sage/EPG question as a WOW question, so I'm starting here.

Check that out WOW even gives out QAM listings! See how TW likes to keep your nuts in a vice? I wish we had WOW and they don't have SDV yet either. I think we do have more HD. When it works.

As of 8:00PM Tuesday 8/21, my guide for SYFY and SYFYHD is completely blank for the rest of next week. Every other channel is fine, and multiple resets have had no effect. I am actually watching two shows on that stupidly renamed channel (Warehouse 13 and Eureka), and I'm getting a little worried. I kept thinking it would fix itself, but it has been blank since Tuesday the 21st first became available on the guide this past Wednesday and now it is only 2 days away.

Does anyone else have guide data after Tuesday for SYFY?

(I'm in Avon)

As of 8:00PM Tuesday 8/21, my guide for SYFY and SYFYHD is completely blank for the rest of next week. Every other channel is fine, and multiple resets have had no effect. I am actually watching two shows on that stupidly renamed channel (Warehouse 13 and Eureka), and I'm getting a little worried. I kept thinking it would fix itself, but it has been blank since Tuesday the 21st first became available on the guide this past Wednesday and now it is only 2 days away.

Does anyone else have guide data after Tuesday for SYFY?

(I'm in Avon)

Nope, not on the SA 8300 no guide data for SciFi HD.

I have guide data on SCIFI and SCIFI HD.

I have guide data on SCIFI and SCIFI HD.

As do I right now. Just for clarification, do you have it for after Tuesday at 8PM?

As do I right now. Just for clarification, do you have it for after Tuesday at 8PM?

Yes. I was able to see that Warehouse 13, Eureka and ECW are on Tuesday night.

I believe it has been established that SARA and Navigator have different guides.

At least you have new HD channels :eek:

doesn't help much if I can't tune them in... :rolleyes:

As a side note, I'm not sure why but this weekend seemed to be much better in regards to this SDV issue. I only got the channel unavailable message once on Friday night and after I went to another channel and went back it seemed much better. Hope this continues!! Maybe they fixed it...we'll see tonight.

More SDV for all you folks who just can't get enough!:rolleyes:

More SDV for all you folks who just can't get enough!:rolleyes:

OH HELL NO!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad: This SDV s--t is spreading like a virus. That looks like almost all the Digital Tier channels. What's next, Basic Tier like CNN, USA, F/X? I hope not. Soon we'll have 250+ cable channels that cost a $$$load of money and only work when THEY want to. :rolleyes:

SDV...
so does this mean new HD channels in September

SDV...
so does this mean new HD channels in September
Possibly. For more info go to Wikipedia and do a search.:)

Well, I just connected a new Zenith DTV converter box today. So far I am more impressed with this box than I ever have been with TWC.

Well, I just connected a new Zenith DTV converter box today. So far I am more impressed with this box than I ever have been with TWC.Not bad for ten bucks! (Plus 40% tax, of course. :))

OH HELL NO!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad: This SDV s--t is spreading like a virus. That looks like almost all the Digital Tier channels. What's next, Basic Tier like CNN, USA, F/X? I hope not. Soon we'll have 250+ cable channels that cost a $$$load of money and only work when THEY want to. :rolleyes:

What surprised me was that they are taking Premium channels, like Starz HD and putting that on SDV. Also they are moving some of Showtime and HBO lineup to SDV.

I noticed that with Showtime and HBO they did not include the main channels in SDV and that has to make sense. Lots of people out there with cable cards in their sets would be p.o.'d losing the top dogs of the premium groups. Putting Starz HD on there however is a bold move. Specially since the technology is faulty, at best.

As far as basic tier channels as everyone is well aware they already have their HD counterparts on SDV.

I would presume (I so much like that word now) that the additional channels being added to SDV are to provide more bandwith for additional HD. Which will also now be on SDV from this point on as well.

Once again it all boils down to those stupid analog channels. If we didn't have those we would have no need for SDV, tuner adapters, bad signals etc.

Still missing the SyFy guide data last night
I wonder if the name change has messed it up
Dave

Still missing the SyFy guide data last night
I wonder if the name change has messed it up
Dave

What name change are you talking about?

Even if there was a name change that should have been caught by whomever TW farms out their guide data to.

I just checked the 8300 and it has guide data on SciFi both analog and HD. Are you saying you don't have guide data now?

Didnt have the guide data last night
Will check again tonite

Well, I just connected a new Zenith DTV converter box today. So far I am more impressed with this box than I ever have been with TWC.

Where did you find one of those? I've been looking everywhere for one, they get very good reviews.

Where did you find one of those? I've been looking everywhere for one, they get very good reviews.

Sears and Kmart supposedly have the Zenith DTT901 converter box.

Where did you find one of those? I've been looking everywhere for one, they get very good reviews.

I went to the Sears in Akron Ohio and they had a few of them left. I'd look at Sears or Kmart. If you don't have a coupon, you could order at sears.com.

What surprised me was that they are taking Premium channels, like Starz HD and putting that on SDV. Also they are moving some of Showtime and HBO lineup to SDV.

I noticed that with Showtime and HBO they did not include the main channels in SDV and that has to make sense. Lots of people out there with cable cards in their sets would be p.o.'d losing the top dogs of the premium groups. Putting Starz HD on there however is a bold move. Specially since the technology is faulty, at best.

As far as basic tier channels as everyone is well aware they already have their HD counterparts on SDV.

I would presume (I so much like that word now) that the additional channels being added to SDV are to provide more bandwith for additional HD. Which will also now be on SDV from this point on as well.

Once again it all boils down to those stupid analog channels. If we didn't have those we would have no need for SDV, tuner adapters, bad signals etc.

I didn't even see those listed. That pisses me off even more that TWC is putting channels that cost $12 a month on ASSDV. Sorry, you cannot watch the channels you pay $12 for anymore. Now you can only watch them when WE tell you! Because We Think Like You Think:p. And "We" Think you like to have your movie interrupted for one minute every half hour. That's OK, it's not the important part. And if you don't TOO BAD!!! We're installing our ASSDV system whether you like it or not and we're making you pay extra for channels that don't always work.

What name change are you talking about?

Even if there was a name change that should have been caught by whomever TW farms out their guide data to.

I just checked the 8300 and it has guide data on SciFi both analog and HD. Are you saying you don't have guide data now?

The station changed it's name from SciFi to Syfy on the 7th. The guide data reflected that change at that time, so it should not be related to the problems now... the change was already made and reflected.

I still have no guide data for either the HD or SD feeds from 8PM tonight through the end of the week. Not pleased...

The station changed it's name from SciFi to Syfy on the 7th. The guide data reflected that change at that time, so it should not be related to the problems now... the change was already made and reflected.

I still have no guide data for either the HD or SD feeds from 8PM tonight through the end of the week. Not pleased...

To the best of my knowledge there is 2 guides. Possibly 3 for the moto boxes. If I have data and nickdawg has data you should have data too unless you have the moto box.

This is very strange.

To the best of my knowledge there is 2 guides. Possibly 3 for the moto boxes. If I have data and nickdawg has data you should have data too unless you have the moto box.

This is very strange.

Nope, still nothing on either of mine. I have SARA with one 8300HD and one 8300HDC.

Has anyone with TWC SDV (using a TiVo or 8300 or otherwise) experienced the following?

You tune to a SDV channel.
You cross your fingers and pray that it works.
The channel tunes in and you rejoice.
After approx. 5 seconds, the channel is no longer available. Pressing "select" does not work.

FWIW I have a TiVo S3, TA, 2 S-Cards, in North Canton.

Has anyone with TWC SDV (using a TiVo or 8300 or otherwise) experienced the following?

Happens more than I'd like on my Tivo HD...

Didnt have the guide data last night
Will check again tonite

I do not have guide data for Sci-Fi HD starting last night (Tuesday) and nothing for an entire week. Just says unavailable. It was there Monday night and until 7:00 PM Tuesday. Starting at 8 PM last night it shows not available. Weird, and pisses me off, I couldn't record Warehouse 13.

Has anyone with TWC SDV (using a TiVo or 8300 or otherwise) experienced the following?

You tune to a SDV channel.
You cross your fingers and pray that it works.
The channel tunes in and you rejoice.
After approx. 5 seconds, the channel is no longer available. Pressing "select" does not work.

FWIW I have a TiVo S3, TA, 2 S-Cards, in North Canton.

Yes, it's happening on every friggen SDV channel that I tuned in this morning. This is the first time I've really experienced it, every other time I could just channel up and back down.

Checked tuner adapter on diagnostic page and it is working just fine. This blows, I was so looking forward to watching Quick Pitch this morning in HD to see the recap of how the Dodgers blew the Reds away last night 12-3.

Fortunately MLBnet is still available in SD so I guess it hasn't been set up on SDV just yet.

This just sucks.

I do not have guide data for Sci-Fi HD starting last night (Tuesday) and nothing for an entire week. Just says unavailable. It was there Monday night and until 7:00 PM Tuesday. Starting at 8 PM last night it shows not available. Weird, and pisses me off, I couldn't record Warehouse 13.

Let me ask you guys something. What are you going to do about it?

Seriously. Are you going to just sit in the forum and gripe or are one of you gonna get a pair, drive down to your local TW office and tell them there is no guide data. Make them turn the TV on and show them. I'm telling you when I did that they wern't even aware there was a problem.

I have guide data I have no idea why you guys don't. So one of you take some action because sitting on your hands isn't going to get sh!t accomplished if they don't know there is a problem.

Well still no syfy guide data for me
Former Adelphia
8300HD, box rebooted 3 times
I guess I'll email them today since I dont have the time to sit on phone for 2 hours
oh yeh I recorded Warehouse 13 manually, what a concept

Well still no syfy guide data for me
Former Adelphia
8300HD, box rebooted 3 times
I guess I'll email them today since I dont have the time to sit on phone for 2 hours
oh yeh I recorded Warehouse 13 manually, what a concept

Well, that's better then doing nothing. TiVo recorded Warehouse 13 just fine for me, it too has data.

I really don't understand how I can have data and you guys don't. It's got to be something coming out of the head end.

doesn't help much if I can't tune them in... :rolleyes:

As a side note, I'm not sure why but this weekend seemed to be much better in regards to this SDV issue. I only got the channel unavailable message once on Friday night and after I went to another channel and went back it seemed much better. Hope this continues!! Maybe they fixed it...we'll see tonight.

Update - Looks like (fingers & toes crossed) TWC might have fixed the issue in my development as all channels have been available every night since Friday. Haven't seen the channel unavailable on Travel or AP which seemed to always be unavailable at night. I had placed a call last Tuesday indicating it was still a big issue and they said they would escalate the issue up and see what they could do. Hopefully they fixed it and it's not just a temp thing. I'll report back if the issue happens again, but so far so good.

Update - Looks like (fingers & toes crossed) TWC might have fixed the issue in my development as all channels have been available every night since Friday. Haven't seen the channel unavailable on Travel or AP which seemed to always be unavailable at night. I had placed a call last Tuesday indicating it was still a big issue and they said they would escalate the issue up and see what they could do. Hopefully they fixed it and it's not just a temp thing. I'll report back if the issue happens again, but so far so good.

Thanks, now apparently it's my issue.:mad:

Since the start of the SDV fiasco, has anyone else lost the ability to receive closed captions on any channels ? BBC America/225 appears to be on SDV, and since early June I've stopped being able to get captions on this. After doing the rounds with the BBC not getting back to me about whether they were still captioning, and TWCNEO claiming that they had stopped, I've confirmed on a BBC America viewer forum that people in other cable areas and on DirecTV can still get BBC/A captions okay.

As I didn't watch too closely which channels were captioning before SDV, I'm not sure if this is a channel-specific problem - certainly captions still work for all the non-SDV channels

Nor is this an equipment issue - neither my HD Tivo nor my SA3250HD get the captions.

I've asked them to look into and fix this, but, well, here we go again...
Sure hope I don't have to remind Mr Fry of FCC regulation 47 C.F.R. § 79.1 (c).

Since the start of the SDV fiasco, has anyone else lost the ability to receive closed captions on any channels ? BBC America/225 appears to be on SDV, and since early June I've stopped being able to get captions on this. After doing the rounds with the BBC not getting back to me about whether they were still captioning, and TWCNEO claiming that they had stopped, I've confirmed on a BBC America viewer forum that people in other cable areas and on DirecTV can still get BBC/A captions okay.

As I didn't watch too closely which channels were captioning before SDV, I'm not sure if this is a channel-specific problem - certainly captions still work for all the non-SDV channels

Nor is this an equipment issue - neither my HD Tivo nor my SA3250HD get the captions.

I've asked them to look into and fix this, but, well, here we go again...
Sure hope I don't have to remind Mr Fry of FCC regulation 47 C.F.R. § 79.1 (c).

I live in Amherst, part of Time Warner's Elyria/Mentor area of Northeast Ohio, we do not have SDV yet. I watch Torchwood on BBC America last night with closed captions. Time Warner is lying to you.

I live in Amherst, part of Time Warner's Elyria/Mentor area of Northeast Ohio, we do not have SDV yet. I watch Torchwood on BBC America last night with closed captions. Time Warner is lying to you.:eek::eek::eek:

Ya think????;)

Going on 5 hours now, and I sent an email to TW about the SDV channels not appearing. They've set someone to come out to my house this afternoon. I've also contacted my person at head end and she is trying to work on it too.

I have no SDV stations at all on neither TiVo or SA 8300. I just get a message that says the same on both, channel is not available please try again later. Um, no because your technology is messed up doesn't mean I sit on my hands and do nothing about it.

Somebody is going to fix this today, I guarantee it. I have a Dodger game later on tonight to watch at 10:00 pm. I also have shows scheduled to record.

Talk to my contact at TW. We went through diagnostic screens on both the SA 8300 and TiVo. Everything looks normal. She sent a tech out to the hub where I think the real problem is and a tech is coming to my house as well.

I asked her if she thought it was some type of outage, since you guys have reported this stuff to me. She said they are not hearing anything from anybody.

See the problem is customer service. If you call customer service they will send you a hit and send a tech out and that's that. I doubt there is any logging about SDV problems at all, hence she doesn't "hear" about it. So even if you call it in I doubt it would do good. Probably the way Dweezilz's problem got fixed was somebody got persistent with them. I'll bet a thousand bucks this problem is at the hub. Heck I was watching SDV at 1:15 am this morning, 5 hours later no SDV.

Now I wait on this tech. If he's late, that's another 20.00 credit I'll take. :)

Going on 5 hours now, and I sent an email to TW about the SDV channels not appearing. They've set someone to come out to my house this afternoon. I've also contacted my person at head end and she is trying to work on it too.

I have no SDV stations at all on neither TiVo or SA 8300. I just get a message that says the same on both, channel is not available please try again later. Um, no because your technology is messed up doesn't mean I sit on my hands and do nothing about it.

Somebody is going to fix this today, I guarantee it. I have a Dodger game later on tonight to watch at 10:00 pm. I also have shows scheduled to record.

Maybe we are lucky in the Elyria/Mentor are not to have SDV.
Sounds like a disease anyway.

Maybe we are lucky in the Elyria/Mentor are not to have SDV.
Sounds like a disease anyway.

It's a constant headache. I can't believe other TiVo people say they don't mind SDV.

Maybe it's just because we have this old system that Adelphia gave TW that's causing issues. I don't know, all I know is right now I'm not happy about it.

Not to mention the degradation in pq, constant break ups, sound drop offs. No, we were better off without it.

Maybe we are lucky in the Elyria/Mentor are not to have SDV.
Sounds like a disease anyway.

I had my wife call to see about an "adjustment" to my bill in Mentor until our lineup is brought up to the level of the mojority of the NEO TWC lineups. She was told we are getting everything we are suppose to by the CSR. After seeing all the most recent SDV problems I too feel we may be better off.

Ray

They found my problem, it's at the hub so they are calling off the technician. I asked eta for repair and I didn't get one. I may not have all channels available tonight after all.:( Or it could get fixed anytime.:rolleyes:

Yes, it's happening on every friggen SDV channel that I tuned in this morning. This is the first time I've really experienced it, every other time I could just channel up and back down.

Checked tuner adapter on diagnostic page and it is working just fine. This blows, I was so looking forward to watching Quick Pitch this morning in HD to see the recap of how the Dodgers blew the Reds away last night 12-3.

Fortunately MLBnet is still available in SD so I guess it hasn't been set up on SDV just yet.

This just sucks.

I know you have the letter so you probably already know, but MLB will be going SDV soon. The SD channel. That really sucks! :mad: At least now we have the SD channels to use if the HD channels don't work.

Anyone having troubles with the SDV channels today? It's usually just fine around here but today every channel is dead. I've went through all the known SDV channels and I am getting the retarded unavailable message. This means I have had to fall back to the SD channels for STO and USA just to watch SOMETHING. x.x

Anyone having troubles with the SDV channels today? It's usually just fine around here but today every channel is dead. I've went through all the known SDV channels and I am getting the retarded unavailable message. This means I have had to fall back to the SD channels for STO and USA just to watch SOMETHING. x.x

Am I on your ignore list? I gave detailed posts of what's going on. There is a problem at the hub in my area. I don't know what's going on in your area but I would suggest you call TW and let them know you have an issue. I'm not getting any SDV either.

SDV sucks.

Sorry, I haven't been keeping a real close read on this thread and from the way I was reading you guys were still on the Guide data issue. I guess I will have to call them up if it's more widespread.

I'm not sure if this helps anyone, but I've been digging around in the TA diagnostics. I'm on a TiVo, but maybe this stuff is available to you 8300 guys too.

Navigate to Messages & Settings-->Account & System Information-->Tuning Adapter-->Tuning Adapter Diagnostics

Look for a menu called Tuning Resolver. Mine was on page 2. Anyways, after clicking Next Page in this menu, I found some headings called "Session Info LTS0" and "Session Info LTS1." Assuming one for each of my S-cards.

Each heading has:
Request Time (time you successfully tuned the channel)
Chan/Src/CA (the channel you tuned/?/?)
LastErr (why it failed last time)
LastErrTime (the time it failed)

I previously posted about successfully tuning, then having the screen go blank after 5 seconds. It is happening a lot today. After each time, this menu states LastErr: ChanNotAvail.

My conclusion? TWC's faulty SDV equipment is tuning the channel for five seconds, then telling my TA that the channel is not available. I'm also wondering if anyone else is getting other errors. By the way, I don't seem to be having complete SDV outages as some of you others have reported. Just tuning them in initially, at random times.

Well, I got through to a tech who was actually on the ball. Their IVR system had areas like yours listed hook as being a known outage and I told the tech we were also effected here and he'd escalate the problem and note our area in the report as well.

So cross fingers something gets done in short order. Kinda weird though it's effecting us as well. Shouldn't be doing that for SDV unless it's some other problem upstream.

Message at TW's number says outages in Bainbridge, PT Clinton & surrounding areas.

Yeah. I got that as well. As far as I know we aren't considered a 'surrounding area' to Bainbridge. Checking google maps we are about 30 miles from you straight down Route 422. And Port Clinton is on the opposite side of the state and really in the 'Western Ohio' TWC footprint (unless they changed it over the past 2-3 years since I was up there on vacation).

They've pulled the message but I still don't have SDV channels. Guess no baseball for me tonight. Heck I can't even get the Tribe.:(

I just checked and STOHD is back up for me here (though you aren't missing much. Cleveland gave up 2 3-run homers and then some to Toronto). Maybe try rebooting your TA's if it continues? *shrug* I dunno how the Tivo/TA diagnostic procedure goes.

I will check the SA8300 in a few minutes. Hopefully it will be on up there and i'll reboot the tivos if necessary.

Now there is a message saying that "If you are calling about an HD channel and getting an error message, we are aware of it and are working on resolving." They also say "this problem is intermittent" and then advise you to watch on Standard Definition.

Ummm, hello TW it's not just HD channels that are the problem. It's all of SDV.

I think. I haven't tried any of the SD MLB Extra Innings channels. hmmm....

BTW it's free preview week on MLB Extra Innings. It's free if you can get it that is.

Edit: Nope, can't get the SD channel either.

Now there is a message saying that "If you are calling about an HD channel and getting an error message, we are aware of it and are working on resolving." They also say "this problem is intermittent" and then advise you to watch on Standard Definition.

Ummm, hello TW it's not just HD channels that are the problem. It's all of SDV.

I think. I haven't tried any of the SD MLB Extra Innings channels. hmmm....

BTW it's free preview week on MLB Extra Innings. It's free if you can get it that is.

Edit: Nope, can't get the SD channel either.

How will their "problem solving" method work once they put digital basic and expanded basic channels on SDV? Soon there will be no "standard definition" to watch. This company keeps becoming a bigger joke every day. I really miss the days of not being able to watch HD channels because they didn't exist.

Let me ask you guys something. What are you going to do about it?

Seriously. Are you going to just sit in the forum and gripe or are one of you gonna get a pair, drive down to your local TW office and tell them there is no guide data. Make them turn the TV on and show them. I'm telling you when I did that they wern't even aware there was a problem.

I have guide data I have no idea why you guys don't. So one of you take some action because sitting on your hands isn't going to get sh!t accomplished if they don't know there is a problem.

I called them, they said they were aware of the problem and it would be fixed soon.

As of this morning, the guide data is back.

My guide data was back for SyFy last night.
The response from TWC technician was that they refreshed that data.

or should that be GYde data
Dave

I checked my SyFy data last night and it went out a week.

I have to say that I have seen no real problems with SDV in Solon on my 8300HD. I've never seen the "unavailable" message and the only difference I notice is a half-second or so more delay in getting the picture. Last weekend I did notice an intermittent break-up on SyFy-HD so I finished watching on the SD channel. But I can't really say if that had anything to do with SDV... I've missed no recordings on SyFy, TNT, USA (all HD) or BBC-America. Maybe I'm just lucky?

First, everything is well over here in hookbill land. I had to reboot the SA 8300 and have a hit sent out to my TiVo's because STO was still giving me a bad time but that is now resolved.

For those of you who care, my broiler died in my oven last night. Just slightly off topic but hey, if you're going to have a bad night....

And wouldn't you know that the Dodger game I wanted to watch was on HD so I missed that, and also miss Manny being Manny hitting a pinch hit grand slam home run which won the game.

Now that I'm done with all the BS you could care less about, lets talk about something you guys do care about. I mentioned in my conversation with my contact at TW that SDV is going over about as well as hearing about another company being shut down and gee wouldn't it be great to get rid of analog all together then there wouldn't be a need for SDV. She agreed, but said too many analog customers. I said OK, then hand out boxes. Cost, she said, not feasible. I said just limit the number of channels they receive. She said that wouldn't work.

And the reason it wouldn't work is something we never think about. When you stay in a hotel you usually don't get any premium channels. Well sometimes HBO I've seen but that's about it. There are no boxes. They have those things hooked up right to the cable. And that's the problem. All the hotels have their room televisions hooked up to analog cable.

So I don't know if we will ever see the end of analog cable.

And the reason it wouldn't work is something we never think about. When you stay in a hotel you usually don't get any premium channels. Well sometimes HBO I've seen but that's about it. There are no boxes. They have those things hooked up right to the cable. And that's the problem. All the hotels have their room televisions hooked up to analog cable.

So I don't know if we will ever see the end of analog cable.

Hook,

Will new TVs even come with analog tuners now that we have changed over to digital? If newer TVs only come with digital tuners in the future cable companies will need to provide a digital transmission to accomodate hotels. This will take a few years though for hotels to upgrade their rooms as needed. Would a digital transmission of these channels save any bandwidth?

Ray

Hook,

Will new TVs even come with analog tuners now that we have changed over to digital? If newer TVs only come with digital tuners in the future cable companies will need to provide a digital transmission to accomodate hotels. This will take a few years though for hotels to upgrade their rooms as needed. Would a digital transmission of these channels save any bandwidth?

Ray

Nice theory but the problem is that these televisions still require a box for digital cable. Remember, the new televisions do not have cable cards. And so long as TW requires a cable box for digital television it's a problem.

Another thing too many hotels are now going to flat screens, hooking them right up to the wall and having the cable come directly from the wall so you don't even see it. Where would you put the box? Hotels don't want the box...or the expense.

My caption problem got resolved, thanks again for those who confirmed this was a problem specific to me and not BBC America. TWC sent hits to my kit, this restored captions for this channel on both boxes after reboots. So it is yet another cablecard/SDV snafu, who knows exactly what went wrong where, but I must say it only affecting captions on only one channel is a new variant of this flakiness to me...

(Eve Myles is hot and I can even understand her Welsh accent now :-)

On the "hotel" justification for keeping the analog channels, this is pretty weak:
- I've stayed in hotels where they have digital TVs tuning into clear digital cable
(e.g. Comcast in San Mateo CA)
- I've stayed in hotels where digital satellite and terrestrial channels are converted
to analog RF to feed the in-room TVs (mostly in Europe)
- I've stayed in hotels where they have a shiny new HDTV-capable flat screen in every
room, on which they have carefully blocked off every HD input on so they can lock
it into a crappy RF-fed SDTV signal from a pay-TV box bolted onto the back (sigh)
All these are possible - TWC's excuses for not becoming part of the 21st century just don't stack up...

Another thing too many hotels are now going to flat screens, hooking them right up to the wall and having the cable come directly from the wall so you don't even see it. Where would you put the box? Hotels don't want the box...or the expense.

It is a conundrum. There might be some solutions down the road, after Tru2Way becomes a mature product, but then existing hotels that have just purchased their flat screens will want to get their full depreciation before reinvesting. And even in a Tru2Way environment, those hotels and MDUs will have to have a squeaky clean internal system, without rougue devices injecting interference in the upstream return path.

There is also a movement to produce less expensive QAM encoder/modulator combinations for this market. Place a stack of demods/decoders/QAM remods in the hotel's comm room and away you go, but this is still an emerging technology for in-house bulk DTV redistribution.

In short, I don't see an analog sunset for some time yet.

One thing that I actually like about analog tv is that it doesn't have any baggage. The tv set doesn't care about IPs, MPEG PIDs, PCR jitter, etc. Feed it some video with sync pulses and it just works every time. There's a subtle elegance to that legacy system of broadcasting.

My caption problem got resolved, thanks again for those who confirmed this was a problem specific to me and not BBC America. TWC sent hits to my kit, this restored captions for this channel on both boxes after reboots. So it is yet another cablecard/SDV snafu, who knows exactly what went wrong where, but I must say it only affecting captions on only one channel is a new variant of this flakiness to me...

(Eve Myles is hot and I can even understand her Welsh accent now :-)

On the "hotel" justification for keeping the analog channels, this is pretty weak:
- I've stayed in hotels where they have digital TVs tuning into clear digital cable
(e.g. Comcast in San Mateo CA)
- I've stayed in hotels where digital satellite and terrestrial channels are converted
to analog RF to feed the in-room TVs (mostly in Europe)
- I've stayed in hotels where they have a shiny new HDTV-capable flat screen in every
room, on which they have carefully blocked off every HD input on so they can lock
it into a crappy RF-fed SDTV signal from a pay-TV box bolted onto the back (sigh)
All these are possible - TWC's excuses for not becoming part of the 21st century just don't stack up...

You're pointing the finger at TW but really and if I've said this once I've said it a million times all this mess is not TW's fault.

Adelphia is truly the one to blame. They took a bunch of mom and pop cable companies and never took the time to make them truly one company. When TW and Comcast bought Adelphia, they agreed to split certain territories to make it one. So in fact TW not only inherited Adelphia's mess, they inherited Comcast too.

Now this kind of mess takes time to fix. And to be fair TW has made some good strides in trying to fix this but the failure to launch Navigator area wide surely is a setback. Until everyone is on one firmware they can't really have one system area wide.

To the best of my knowledge all channels are now aligned. I think, if they arn't then that's part of the problem right there. Tru2Way is what we need to clean this mess up.

Ha Ha, I just read on my blackberry that Cathode Kid responded on this issue as well and he mentions Tru2Way. And he's right it's going to take time to put all this stuff together. I see what he's saying about analog too, that I don't necessarily agree with, yes it's simple but the pq of analog, at least as far as TW is concerned is very bad.

One thing that I actually like about analog tv is that it doesn't have any baggage. The tv set doesn't care about IPs, MPEG PIDs, PCR jitter, etc. Feed it some video with sync pulses and it just works every time. There's a subtle elegance to that legacy system of broadcasting.

I agree with you 100% on this.

On the "hotel" justification for keeping the analog channels, this is pretty weak:
- I've stayed in hotels where they have digital TVs tuning into clear digital cable
(e.g. Comcast in San Mateo CA)
- I've stayed in hotels where digital satellite and terrestrial channels are converted
to analog RF to feed the in-room TVs (mostly in Europe)
- I've stayed in hotels where they have a shiny new HDTV-capable flat screen in every
room, on which they have carefully blocked off every HD input on so they can lock
it into a crappy RF-fed SDTV signal from a pay-TV box bolted onto the back (sigh)
All these are possible - TWC's excuses for not becoming part of the 21st century just don't stack up...

smoti, first of all nobody said that these are "TWC's excuses." These are industry-wide issues. And neither Hookbill nor I are speaking on TW's behalf; this is merely food for thought. And there's still a very large universe of cable-ready analog-only sets in consumers' homes.

Second, you proved the point yourself when you mentioned the HD sets with all of the HD inputs blocked off. There's a good technical reason why they had to resort to that box that's bolted onto the set. It's hardly an ideal solution and one that the hospitality industry would like to move away from.

Third, at that hotel where you were watching clear-QAM cable channels - I'm betting that all of the HD channels were broadcasters, which are typically carried in the clear natively.

Don't be so quick to judge, smoti. All of these issues are being worked on by engineers with very sharp pencils. Which is why they need those pocket protectors, after all. ;)

I have to call the biggest bull s--t ever on the TWC contact about analog. There is NO EXCUSE. If the government could get people who use free OTA TV to purchase equipment to keep getting those signals, there is NO REASON, NO REASON why TWC CANNOT make people who PAY for the PRIVILEGE to watch cable get a cable box. Don't give me any of those LIES or EXCUSES that "people don't like cable boxes" or "they don't want extra equipment". F--K that. If they did away with analog, everyone wouldn't need a box because every channel would be a real, linear channel again and the cable card system could be completely utilized. New TVs could come standard with cable card slots and the TV that used to have cable w/o the box could have a cable card.

TWC is a joke. They're full of crap. All they ever have is an excuse or a lie for something simple and easy to fix. They just don't want to do it.

One thing that I actually like about analog tv is that it doesn't have any baggage. The tv set doesn't care about IPs, MPEG PIDs, PCR jitter, etc. Feed it some video with sync pulses and it just works every time. There's a subtle elegance to that legacy system of broadcasting.

I agree. I'd rather have the old analog only TWC box from the 90s. At least that thing always worked and did not need to be rebooted. This new technology is garbage and it is not getting any better. Even the simpler technology like OTA DTV works better than cable.

Apparently there was an SDV outage yesterday. I had no clue as I have not watched SDV in several days. In fact yesterday I was watching the President followed by two crime dramas on CBS, through OTA on WOIO. Not one problem at all. And this was on a converter box that cost me $10 connected to a 7 year old Sonny CRT.

TWC is on its way out of the Dawg house. I'm finding it harder to justify paying close to $110 a month for sub par service that is trumped by a free converter box and a set of rabbit ears.

That was a well thought out counterpoint nickdawg.:rolleyes:

If you do decide to go OTA please leave your key at the forum door. ;)

Doe anyone know why on the guide for the SA 8300 (SARA) channel 404 is listed as CBSHD instead of WOIOHD?

Because 404 is CBS in high definition? ;)

has anyone noticed that the picture quality of the game in Toronto have been outstanding.

not sure if they have better Camera's up in Toronto or better lighting since they play inside a Dome...but the Quality and sharpness of the HD picture has been better then what I remember seeing while watching indians games.

Maybe TW did something to make quality of picture better or ..my Eyes are getting better with age..lol

just wondered if anyone else noticed it..

Because 404 is CBS in high definition? ;)
Actuallyi think I may have figured it out. Over in the Erie area is your locals from Cleveland? Maybe they have a different source for CBS. Because all the other stations in HD have their call letters next to them.

Actuallyi think I may have figured it out. Over in the Erie area is your locals from Cleveland? Maybe they have a different source for CBS. Because all the other stations in HD have their call letters next to them.

Here we have:

WKYCHD
WOIOHD
WEWHD
WUABHD
WBNXHD
WJWHD
WNEOHD
WVIZHD

That's the standard NE Ohio HD lineup. I think Erie has different stations on theirs. Maybe someone was lazy during the channel change and decided to generically tag some of the channels. That's why we have stuff like SCIFI HD labeled as "SCIFH" in the guide. :rolleyes:

If they did away with analog, everyone wouldn't need a box because every channel would be a real, linear channel again and the cable card system could be completely utilized.

I agree. I'd rather have the old analog only TWC box from the 90s. At least that thing always worked and did not need to be rebooted. This new technology is garbage and it is not getting any better.

Now you're just trying to confuse me... :)

Just like the other morning when I woke up all the SDV channels are down! Have left message with my contact at TW.

If you're new and don't know what to check look at channel 435. If you get a message saying "channel not available you are affected and should report it to TWC.

Edit: Appears that everything is back up a few minutes later. Man, SDV sure does suck.

I'm now understand the frustration people were having with SDV. Several times this morning I've seen the channels clicked off and got the message that the channel is not available. Right now they are currently not working.

Totally unacceptable, I've placed a call in. This is horrible service.

Just a note of interest. The TWC Elyria office is now giving out the new Samsung 3090 dvr hd boxes. They look very nice in all black. With SDV coming sooner or later, I knew i had to let go of my beloved Moto box w/ 30 second skip. I miss it already. I recorded about 5 different shows over the last couple of days, and all is well as far as I can tell. I like the guide which is full screen.

Can anyone that already has a 3090, tell me how to figure out what size hard drive I have? I understand that the 3090 comes with 2 different sizes.

Ben Music

smoti, first of all nobody said that these are "TWC's excuses." These are industry-wide issues.

Indeed, they are US-industry-wide issues..

Third, at that hotel where you were watching clear-QAM cable channels - I'm betting that all of the HD channels were broadcasters, which are typically carried in the clear natively.

If I recall correctly there was more than just broadcast in there. But why cablecos think it is necessary to encrypt channels in digital that are currently in the clear in analog is beyond me.

Don't be so quick to judge, smoti. All of these issues are being worked on by engineers with very sharp pencils. Which is why they need those pocket protectors, after all. ;)

I'm a network operations engineer myself (though with most of the rest of the Internet industry I moved on from the pencils some decades ago :-) but when I see what a tangled over-complicated technology/policy mess the cable industry here has painted itself into I get very frustrated indeed.
Technological fixes (like SDV) to business/regulatory problems are generally very ugly :-(

Keith

One thing that I actually like about analog tv is that it doesn't have any baggage. The tv set doesn't care about IPs, MPEG PIDs, PCR jitter, etc. Feed it some video with sync pulses and it just works every time. There's a subtle elegance to that legacy system of broadcasting.

Indeed :-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8159406.stm

I loved the way this old 1930s 405-line TV ("Lo-Def" ?) was being fed a digital signal via two converters...

Just a note of interest. The TWC Elyria office is now giving out the new Samsung 3090 dvr hd boxes. They look very nice in all black. With SDV coming sooner or later, I knew i had to let go of my beloved Moto box w/ 30 second skip. I miss it already. I recorded about 5 different shows over the last couple of days, and all is well as far as I can tell. I like the guide which is full screen.

Can anyone that already has a 3090, tell me how to figure out what size hard drive I have? I understand that the 3090 comes with 2 different sizes.

Ben Music

And they are handing out their cheap, 3 legged 8300's to the rest of us. At least you got something new, but I wouldn't get too excited about SDV. It is a totaL FAIL.

Edit: Did I say 8300? Because I had to request that what they are handing out are SA 8000. :rolleyes:

Apparently they have tracked down the source of my issue and they are going to fix this intermittent SDV problem. When will it get fixed? That's anyones guess.

My contact at TW said she arranged 4 days credit for me. I wonder what that amounts to? I'll bet it's 20 bucks. I told her I really don't want credit I want what I pay for to work.

And what would have happened if I didn't have somebody at head end to contact? It would have been a wasted service call followed by who knows how long before it got to head end to get tracked down. This is just terrible, I feel for all you guys who complained about SDV. I have to admit that I really didn't believe the problems were as bad as you described but they indeed are.

I'm trying to be understanding here, I know they are using a new technology on an archaic system but it's just so flawed I don't see how they can proceed to put more channels on SDV. One good thing about that plan. When all those digital channels go SDV they will get plenty of calls. Maybe then they will realize their error but by then it may be too late.

I am Having SDV issues
(get the please wait screen, then a message that it can't deliver the station)
on one of my 2 Time Warner boxes
(2nd. box works fine gets al the channels)
after a couple of calls they scheduled a service guy (next week).
PS. they offered me a $7.70 credit.....
I am former Adelphia, Northern Medina county
,

I am Having SDV issues
(get the please wait screen, then a message that it can't deliver the station)
on one of my 2 Time Warner boxes
(2nd. box works fine gets al the channels)
after a couple of calls they scheduled a service guy (next week).
PS. they offered me a $7.70 credit.....
I am former Adelphia, Northern Medina county
,

Wow, that's weird that sounds more like a box issue. If you get it on one box you should get it on the other.

Last I looked it was back on but I don't know how long for. Maybe it's fixed.

I am Having SDV issues
(get the please wait screen, then a message that it can't deliver the station)
on one of my 2 Time Warner boxes
(2nd. box works fine gets al the channels)
after a couple of calls they scheduled a service guy (next week).
PS. they offered me a $7.70 credit.....
I am former Adelphia, Northern Medina county
,

Could be a box problem or signal level issues. It also might be missing it's service group. Go to the remote for that box and hold down the yellow "A" key for a little more than 10 seconds; this will instruct it to re-request it's service group.

Could be a box problem or signal level issues. It also might be missing it's service group. Go to the remote for that box and hold down the yellow "A" key for a little more than 10 seconds; this will instruct it to re-request it's service group.

I just found out about that on Wednesday. The wealth of your knowledge is truly remarkable.

I will bet that solves his problem.

The wealth of your knowledge is truly remarkable.

Cathode Kid really doesn't exist. He is a prototype of an A.I. interface we snagged from Planet Zargon, who's population exists solely to monitor and tease with bits of trivia other species that are finally starting to get a clue about what's technically possible...

what ever happen to getting 4 or 5 next HD channels every month for the rest of the year..

any idea when the new batch will be added....

was May the last month we got new HD channels ???

Cathode Kid really doesn't exist. He is a prototype of an A.I. interface we snagged from Planet Zargon, who's population exists solely to monitor and tease with bits of trivia other species that are finally starting to get a clue about what's technically possible...
Explains everything!

what ever happen to getting 4 or 5 next HD channels every month for the rest of the year..

any idea when the new batch will be added....

was May the last month we got new HD channels ???

Crime Warner lied to you. ;)

Cathode Kid really doesn't exist. He is a prototype of an A.I. interface we snagged from Planet Zargon, who's population exists solely to monitor and tease with bits of trivia other species that are finally starting to get a clue about what's technically possible...

Dang, my cover has been blown... :p

I got a call yesterday from my contact at TW saying my issue had been fix, check and see if SDV channels were available. Well, they were available from time to time during the day so I told her as far as I can tell they are on now, but who knows in a half hour or so.

So last night I'm watching the Fish beat up the Dodgers and somewhere around midnight or so I fell asleep. Woke at 1:15 am and what do I see? A frozen picture!

So I hit enter and there's the nasty "channel not available" message. I flipped to STO but that's coming in clear as a bell. I go back to the Dodger game and the last out is being played when wham, frozen picture again. This time I hit 450, no problem with TLC. Back to Dodger game and the "Game Over" is displayed.

So either that was flipping on and off, or some other issue exist. I checked this morning and one channel the downstairs tv was left on was displaying "channel not available." I hit select and the message disappeared.

What a mess this stuff is. In all essence SDV is going to make my TiVo as reliable as a SA 8300, and I consider that totally unreliable.

I had it on CNN this morning and no problems. So it's anybodies guess at this point.

Several times I got grey screens this morning with no message on MLBnet. Probably a totally different issue, but aggravating.

I'd call TWC NOW!! There's no way in hell you should have to pay a single penny for that MLB Extra Innings service. I know that usually costs over $100 and it is pathetic to think TWC would charge people who pay that much for something that does not even work all the time. If my $100 baseball game had a frozen picture on screen, I'd be calling the FCC and the BBB. Maybe even one of those obnoxious consumer reporters from the local TV stations. That level of service is unacceptable. And once they put all the HBOs on SDV, I'm canceling that too. If they put the digital tier on SDV, I cancel that too.

I'd call TWC NOW!! There's no way in hell you should have to pay a single penny for that MLB Extra Innings service. I know that usually costs over $100 and it is pathetic to think TWC would charge people who pay that much for something that does not even work all the time. If my $100 baseball game had a frozen picture on screen, I'd be calling the FCC and the BBB. Maybe even one of those obnoxious consumer reporters from the local TV stations. That level of service is unacceptable. And once they put all the HBOs on SDV, I'm canceling that too. If they put the digital tier on SDV, I cancel that too.

If you purchased MLB Extra Innings during the first week it was 179.00. After that it's 199.00. If you buy now it's 139.00. 3 years ago that's how much I paid for an entire season.

Yes, I'm pissed off about it. On Wednesday when we had the huge outage (in my area) the game I wanted to watch was even available in HD. I got nothing. My brother, who has Comcrap in Tennessee got to watch the game. I didn't. And he doesn't even have MLB extra innings. Where he lives he gets Reds games on Fox Sports Net.

Since they credited me for 4 days service I'm kind of caught between a rock and a hard place. I can't complain to BBS because they refunded my money. And I don't know what good it would do to call FCC. That's a huge bureaucracy.

I just took a look at my brothers line up in Nashville area. He has 30 HD channels. Bet there is no SDV. How many do we have now, 40? It appears to me that his entire line up is digital!

FWIW every time I've checked today SDV has been up.

I'll have to say that I am starting to agree that this SDV stuff is getting rediculous. I normally don't have any problems with it but I have had these few issues the past couple days (even having the channel go to '<blah> is unavailable. Press A to try again' in the middle of a tuned program'). If they can actually FIX it, it wouldn't be an issue. But if it keeps up like this, they can shove it.

Even my mom has comaplined when it's done it. 'For how much we are paying each month this **** better work, not half-assed.'

I'll have to say that I am starting to agree that this SDV stuff is getting rediculous. I normally don't have any problems with it but I have had these few issues the past couple days (even having the channel go to '<blah> is unavailable. Press A to try again' in the middle of a tuned program'). If they can actually FIX it, it wouldn't be an issue. But if it keeps up like this, they can shove it.

Even my mom has comaplined when it's done it. 'For how much we are paying each month this **** better work, not half-assed.'

I wonder how a DVR perceives this? I had a couple partials recorded on my TiVo and I couldn't understand why. Now I think I know.

It may just give up the first try and not bother. I dunno. Kinda hard to actually see when it does it.

DVR cuts off whenever there is a "Press A" message. It used to happen with shows I've recorded and when I watched it live the Press A message appeared around the time the recording used to cut off.

On the positive side, my DVR is 7%, yes 7% full. There's now a total of FOUR shows saved, no scheduled recordings. I had 5 or 6 episodes of Rescue Me I didn't watch so I just trashed them. And it's a good thing I didn't want to watch them because I checked them for fun and each day F/X was set to record, the picture was breaking up and stuttering on all but one. You see, I don't save lots of TV shows to watch. Usually if there are two or more episodes recorded, that means I'm never going to watch it. And this time there was no way I could watch it even if I wanted to. +

I haven't watched or recorded a SDV channel in almost two weeks. I was really surprised and clueless when I was reading all the posts last week about the SDV problems. Guess it's a good thing I missed that!! I've been too busy with my converter box and falling in love with my old Sony CRT again. ;)

At 10:45 am on ESPNHD we have a gray screen. This is not an SDV channel, of course. Maybe it's spreading, who knows.

11:27 still a grey screen on ESPN! TW is now getting to move closer to Adelphia for worst cable ever.