For what it's worth a lead tech told me that right now it looks like late November for the Time Warner SDV HD channels for North Ridgeville. We are the last to get them because we have the most Comcast equipment.

This problem is still going on (had it happen several times since I got home tonight) and of course the guy I talked to Sunday night at TW had no idea what was up, even when my internet connection shut down as he was running diagnostics. Service call thursday. wonder what those TW workmen WERE doing Friday on the pole in my backyard?

Sounds like there's some line maintainence going on with the short outages ( which the people in the call ctrs usually don't know anything about because the outages are short durations)

I don't understand how that tech wasn't able to help subavision212. I wonder if he was contracted. When the techs came out to my house they truly tried to help. They ordered thicker cable to be laid from box to my house, made adjustments. True they didn't fix it the first two times and the guy who really fixed it was out to work on my SA 8300 but when I mentioned still having problems he's the one who found the problem splitter and made the adjustment.

.......My Question is how does PS3 and Blue Ray player compare in picture Quality ..

I have a big screen plasma and want the best picture I can get...didn't know which gives you the better picture

The PS3 is one of the best BD players on the market.
With it's networking interface (also available on other BD players) it is a great addition to any home theatre system. Download videos, home movies, pics, music, etc.. It doesn't do the networking things remarkably well, but it is useful. BD & DVD it does great! I'm not a gamer so I can only guess it does this well. :)

You might want to look into other BD players as well. Many have the same networking functionality plus some extras like the Netflix download service, etc.. Any name brand BD player should do BD and DVD well.

tried but the link won't open. (sorry hookbill, didn't realize you were posting a reply to me.)

192.168.x.x is an internal i.p. address (VLAN), you can't post it on the internet and expect anyone outside your local area network to see it. A screen shot would work, however.

What kind of modem do you have? There was a time when RR was asking people to switch out their old modems to ones that work with RR.

That link should work. Maybe you have something set up in your firewall preventing it? Try turning off your firewall and try it again.
I checked my system profiler and under firewall there is nothing listed. I've never installed one either. It is a Toshiba modem that I think is designed for use with Macs. says Mac:00-90-83--89-43-07. I haven't done one thing to this computer since I started getting RR lite so this is why it's been puzzling to suddenly have this problem AFTER those guys were working on whatever it was they were doing. no problem with cable, though.

Sounds like there's some line maintainence going on with the short outages ( which the people in the call ctrs usually don't know anything about because the outages are short durations)
this is what I think is happening so I guess I will just have to put up with the stops and starts until the tech comes tomorrow. still, kind of a pain, thought the rep I talked to said they would credit me if they find the problem.

this is the info on my mac:
no biggie to try and figure this out, though thanks to everyone who has looked at this. hopefully I'll find out tomorrow.

this is the info on my mac:
no biggie to try and figure this out, though thanks to everyone who has looked at this. hopefully I'll find out tomorrow. Apparently your modem isn't a Moto - there are some brands that offer their status page at that IP address and others that don't. At any rate they can also read your levels remotely at their offices (as long as the modem is online, of course). A call to customer service can reveal any signal level issues.

At any rate good luck tomorrow.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress...

Well, it seems my assumption that Mentor was now on SDV was...ummm....wr...wr....wrong.:o

According to Ohio Media Watch Mentor people are indeed getting more HD channels without SDV. From OMW:

OMW does hear that for whatever reason, former Comcasters on the other side of Greater Cleveland may have better luck...we're told that 15 HDTV channels have been added there, with more to come.

We're told the ex-Comcast subscribers in the Mentor area have a lineup fairly close to the rest of the Time Warner Cable Northeast Ohio empire, without the addition - yet - of SDV or "Switched Digital Video"...the electronic magic that has fueled HD channel additions in the rest of the region. No, we don't know how.

I can only speculate of course but it seems to me that more bandwith has to be available then what we previously thought. In other words SDV may not even be necessary at this time with the HD channels that are existing, but SDV we got anyway.

So TWC continues to baffle us. Every time we speculate something or reasons of why something is being done they throw us a curve.:confused:

Then there is this little peace about bringing God to nickdawgs house:

We also hear that TWC has quietly added the HD feed of Tri-State Christian Television's WRLM/47 Canton (the former WOAC/67) to its "legacy" systems in the Akron/Canton area - on cable channel 413. It's the same feed which appears over-air on WRLM's 47.2 subchannel.

WRLM HD does not appear in the former Adelphia/Cleveland-based TWC lineup, but for whatever reason, has been added to the former Comcast system in Elyria. WRLM does appear in SD in all the areas covered by FCC "must carry" guidelines...

Obviously bringing God to nickdawgs house in HD however is a very wise decision and I can only speculate how happy he will be to hear this. If he reads it.:D

After that I kind of lost interest so if you want to read it all as usual here is the link : http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/.

Hook,

This is as I initially thought. I tune to different channels and look at diagnostics page 8 of 14 and I see no big changes when tuning to any channels.

Ray

Well, it seems my assumption that Mentor was now on SDV was...ummm....wr...wr....wrong.:o

According to Ohio Media Watch Mentor people are indeed getting more HD channels without SDV. From OMW:

OMW does hear that for whatever reason, former Comcasters on the other side of Greater Cleveland may have better luck...we're told that 15 HDTV channels have been added there, with more to come.

We're told the ex-Comcast subscribers in the Mentor area have a lineup fairly close to the rest of the Time Warner Cable Northeast Ohio empire, without the addition - yet - of SDV or "Switched Digital Video"...the electronic magic that has fueled HD channel additions in the rest of the region. No, we don't know how.

I can only speculate of course but it seems to me that more bandwith has to be available then what we previously thought. In other words SDV may not even be necessary at this time with the HD channels that are existing, but SDV we got anyway.

So TWC continues to baffle us. Every time we speculate something or reasons of why something is being done they throw us a curve.:confused:

Then there is this little peace about bringing God to nickdawgs house:

We also hear that TWC has quietly added the HD feed of Tri-State Christian Television's WRLM/47 Canton (the former WOAC/67) to its "legacy" systems in the Akron/Canton area - on cable channel 413. It's the same feed which appears over-air on WRLM's 47.2 subchannel.

WRLM HD does not appear in the former Adelphia/Cleveland-based TWC lineup, but for whatever reason, has been added to the former Comcast system in Elyria. WRLM does appear in SD in all the areas covered by FCC "must carry" guidelines...

Obviously bringing God to nickdawgs house in HD however is a very wise decision and I can only speculate how happy he will be to hear this. If he reads it.:D

After that I kind of lost interest so if you want to read it all as usual here is the link : http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/.

.....
[i]we also hear that twc has quietly added the hd feed of tri-state christian television's wrlm/47 canton ......


Amen!

well just to put an ending on my RR saga, I have to admit that sometimes TW can be okay because they do hire some people that are very good. turns out that my modem was over 6 years old and my tech was surprised to see it and swapped it out for a brand new motorola. of course, no one from TW mentioned that I might want to get the new modem, no calls, emails or anything from the company. I also had several bad connectors which my tech replaced telling me that these introduce noise into the signal (must be true since I no longer have a film of grain on the SciFi channel, actually looks nice) and told me not to plug the power cord for my modem into a power strip because this, too, can cause noise in the signal. He then proceeded to check my numbers and said everything looked great. He also said that every now and then I should just unplug my digital box for a few seconds and then plug it back in just to help "clean" things up and keep everything working fine. I give him credit, he was very nice and knowledgeable and things are working top notch.

The only thing about the tech that I do not completely agree with is the 'not plugging the modem into a powerstrip' bit. While it is certainly possible for it to introduce noise in some way I guess, any new noise would be miniscule at best and not harmful to your connection unless you're already marginal. I have my SA Voice/HSI modem hooked up to a powerstrip in addition to the electrical in this house being absolute sh*t to begin with and my signal has always been great and never a problem.

Everything else though sounds good. The combination of stuff did (new modem, replaced coax connections, etc.) should have helped a good deal.

TW did contact me via letter saying they needed to change my modem for Road Runner, but I had to email them to get them to actually come out. I agree with Vchat I have my modem plugged into a UPS they never said squat to me about it.

I'm pretty certain you must have missed my post. I think I said that when Road Runner came around they switched my modem.

Anyway glad they got you up and running good.

well just to put an ending on my RR saga, I have to admit that sometimes TW can be okay because they do hire some people that are very good. turns out that my modem was over 6 years old and my tech was surprised to see it and swapped it out for a brand new motorola. of course, no one from TW mentioned that I might want to get the new modem, no calls, emails or anything from the company. I also had several bad connectors which my tech replaced telling me that these introduce noise into the signal (must be true since I no longer have a film of grain on the SciFi channel, actually looks nice) and told me not to plug the power cord for my modem into a power strip because this, too, can cause noise in the signal. He then proceeded to check my numbers and said everything looked great. He also said that every now and then I should just unplug my digital box for a few seconds and then plug it back in just to help "clean" things up and keep everything working fine. I give him credit, he was very nice and knowledgeable and things are working top notch.

This also means your internal status page should be working now. Try that IP address again in your browser.

This also means your internal status page should be working now. Try that IP address again in your browser.
yes, it does work so now I just need to take a few months and figure out what it all means. and yes, I probably missed your post, hookbill, so I will try and be more attentive. but it is nice to have things working again. it is strange that you will get different advice from different techs at different times which only confuses the issue. I guess they can say whatever they want as long as I'm connected and having no issues. (and besides, that's what this forum is for, getting the REAL truth.)

Did anyone try to watch that alleged Cleveland market CBS affiliate tonight? Hey jerkoffs!! Just because this area allegedly has a high number of cable subscribers doesn't mean you can get away with a piss poor signal. How do you think that cable company gets your signal?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!! :rolleyes:

That's why tonight as I was watching The Mentalist on WOIO-SD TWC the picture froze and broke up too many times to count. And WUAB isn't much better either. Watching channel 6 the other day the picture froze a couple times and the screen even turned yellow. Never seen that one before. Can they do anything right??

check the link they list the already known october 15th additions as well as november 4ths
http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/learn/programming/whatsontv/programmingnotices.html

I don't understand what they mean but "basic digital tier." Don't you need that just to get HD in the first place? It sounds like they are saying it's only for certain people but there is no "free HD" without a digital basic.

The following channels will be added to standard HD: Cartoon HD, TCM HD, HLN HD, E! HD;
The following channels will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier: Biography HD, Disney SX HD, Outdoor HD, Fox Business News HD, Style HD, Hallmark Movies HD

And I don't know why but the thought of them moving stuff around kind of scares me, even if affects only one of the channels I receive:

The following channels will be relocated to new channel positions: On standard HD, Palladia HD from 469 to 470. On the HD Tier: Universal HD from 470 to 496; Smithsonian HD from 471 to 497; Mav TV HD from 472 to 498 and MGM HD from 473 to 499.

Then there is these wonderful channels:

The Weather Channel HD will be added to standard HD.
The following channels will be added to HD with carriage level varying by area: WE HD and TV One HD.:rolleyes:
The following channels will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier: Planet Green HD, IFC HD and Fuse HD.
The following channels will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Sports Tier: NHL Network HD, Tennis Channel HD and CBS College Sports HD.

When did they make up the Sports Tier? I knew it was coming but I didn't know it was here.

That sports tier lacks an important channel but that is different story and its nice to see TWC trying to promise 100 HD channels by years end

I'm glad they finally are adding the Weather Channel HD. The rest of that November 4th list? Meh.

What's missing now? MSNBC HD? We're starting to run out of "high profile" HD channels to add...

Oh, there IS NFL Network HD, but I'll be 100 by the time that Time Warner carries it in any definition. :D

Oh, there IS NFL Network HD, but I'll be 100 by the time that Time Warner carries it in any definition. :D

Yep, they are sticking to their guns on wanting that on the Sports Tier anyway. Remember we had it for a short time with the old Adelphia and TW kept it for a bit but then dumped it.

It was in HD too but they didn't show any games in HD!!!

I'm glad they finally are adding the Weather Channel HD. The rest of that November 4th list? Meh.

What's missing now? MSNBC HD? We're starting to run out of "high profile" HD channels to add...

About DAMN time. Now just to wait for the HD 'Stars to come to fruition for the 'local on the 8s' to come in HD.

And I wholeheartedly agree. Come on guys, every cable system has MSNBCHD even in other TWC regions but us. Just one extra channel that I am absolutely certain you guys have carriage rights to.

After the weather channel, all you guys have to do is offer up MSNBC in HD and I will be a happy man. Just make the network work without glitches and system outages every other week and you won't hear a single peep from me.

At this rate though with household finances being really tight, I am seriously looking at the option of going to Dish. ~$160/mo for just basic digital service and one DVR, standard phone package, and the lite RR service seems to be real high especially when the serviceis half-assed (I'll admit the RR and Phone service is top notch. It's the digital cable which is horrid.)

Seriously? Please tell me that is a joke. Please. They're adding the fncking Weather Channel? And WE(whatever that is)? And no MSNBC? This has gotta be a joke.

How much more HD can WE:rolleyes: or the Weather Channel:rolleyes: have than MSNBC? I'd bet MSNBC has more HD than CNN. All of MSNBC's 5-9pm pundit shows are HD. Daytime news coverage utilizes the entire HD screen. MSNBC HD has graphics in the style of ESPN News where there is extra info in a "side panel", which beats the hell out of CNN's red HD sidebars on all coverage out of Atlanta. Which is the entire day from American Morning until the Situation Room.

What TWC needs to add in the HD department is HD equivalents of USA programming on VOD. I'm trying to get caught up on the last four episodes of Monk. It really sucks balls that the shows are in that windowbox format.:mad:

I wouldn't have a problem with the fact that it's SD if at least they were shown in normal 4:3. But the windowbox thing pisses me off most. The NBC programming sucks too. At leas when you watch the regular NBC channel you get the normal 4:3 picture. But the VOD channel is windowbox.:mad:

I checked my system profiler and under firewall there is nothing listed. I've never installed one either. It is a Toshiba modem that I think is designed for use with Macs. says Mac:00-90-83--89-43-07. ...A MAC address (Media Access Control) is on every network device. It does not mean your modem was designed for a Macintosh brand computer. "Macs" have a MAC address and so do PC's. A MAC address is a unique identifier for network communication devices. Think of it as a serial number.

BTW: If this MAC address is for a wireless device you might not want to publish that number on the web, protect it like you do your SSN.

BTW: If this MAC address is for a wireless device you might not want to publish that number on the web, protect it like you do your SSN.

Well, I wouldn't go that far... Other than letting someone figure out what brand of network device you have, there's not a whole lot someone can get from a MAC address... True, it would make it a little easier to zero in on a particular wireless network, but a person would need to be in range of the network in the first place - not an easy thing to do unless a street address is obtained, and you still have to deal with whatever security is set up on the wireless device.

The biggest "gotcha" here is that some devices use the MAC address as a default password. If you advertise your MAC, if you tell people where it is, if you have weak wireless security, and if you don't change the default password, well, you have other things to worry about.

It's probably not a great idea to send your MAC address to every email list you belong to, but knowing it isn't likely to let someone take out a credit card in your name...

I decided to group the HD Channels and see how much we get once November comes
Premium Movie HD channels: 4
Free HD Channels: 51 or 52 Can't remember if CBS College Sports is in the digital basic package
Sports Tier HD Channels: 2 or 3 see above
HD Tier: 4
Which is a grand total of 62 HD Channels


*Note this list does not include On Demand and local channels

I decided to group the HD Channels and see how much we get once November comes
Premium Movie HD channels: 4
Free HD Channels: 51 or 52 Can't remember if CBS College Sports is in the digital basic package
Sports Tier HD Channels: 2 or 3 see above
HD Tier: 4
Which is a grand total of 62 HD Channels


*Note this list does not include On Demand and local channels

MLB Extra Innings available 6 months a year could be added to. Channel 740.

I forgot to add HD Sports to that list but it has such limited programming I probably will keep it off of the list

Is Lifetime HD out there on other systems or is there no such channel because I only see Lifetime Movie Network HD on TWC?

Every time I switch to FSN HD there is just a black screen. Do they only show Cavs programming in HD but no college football games? (On the TWC website they list it as Cavs HD.)

FSN HD = Waste of space. Cavs games only as far as I know.

I don't know about Lifetime, I never look at it and never had an interest to see if it is available in HD.

FSN HD = Waste of space. Cavs games only as far as I know.

I don't know about Lifetime, I never look at it and never had an interest to see if it is available in HD.

It's more than just the Cavs in HD on FSN, it's also college sports.

FSN HD = Waste of space. Cavs games only as far as I know.

No it's not. I wish we had FSN HD last week when the Zips were on channel 309. The PQ is ass on that channel, I've seen You Tube videos that look better.

Even if FSN Ohio "HD" showed it in 4:3 SD, at least it would be true digital, scaled to 720p, not analog like the basic cable channel of FSN. I could give a rat's ass about HD. I just want a clear picture.

I just had my first opportunity to witness the Startover functionality and it really came out of nowhere on an obscure program. 'Home Movies' during the Adult Swim lineup on Cartoon Network here at 1:30AM. 'Enhanced TV' box came up with Startover, DVR Show List, and Guide in the options.

Must say though that while the startover system may still be limited, it is pretty ingenious especially if you happen to surf over to something after it has already started. Would be nice though if it allowed recording off of.

I just had my first opportunity to witness the Startover functionality and it really came out of nowhere on an obscure program. 'Home Movies' during the Adult Swim lineup on Cartoon Network here at 1:30AM. 'Enhanced TV' box came up with Startover, DVR Show List, and Guide in the options.

Must say though that while the startover system may still be limited, it is pretty ingenious especially if you happen to surf over to something after it has already started. Would be nice though if it allowed recording off of.

DAMMIT, you beat me to it. When I put Roseanne on TV Land, the "Press Select To Start Over" message appeared. It didn't work on that channel yet. Since then I've been flipping through channels where I found Cartoon Network. I pressed Select and King of the Hill started at the beginning.

While in the Start Over mode, the banner looks like a VOD banner. You can pause and rewind, but no fast forward.

Did you try recording? I have the History channel recording on the other tuner and I don't want to screw up my recording by playing with this now.

Nah. No recording. Tried. Obviously it works on live tv starting from where I came in, but the startover feed I can't.

Nah. No recording. Tried. Obviously it works on live tv starting from where I came in, but the startover feed I can't.

I guess it's better than nothing at all. I'm surprised this is actually working!:eek: They're probably using these channels as their live test before putting it on other channels, I imagine USA, F/X, TNT and maybe the broadcast networks will eventually have this too, not just oddball cable networks.

Remember they were running that Press Select For Enhanced on the local channels a few weeks back. Plus I noticed that all the analog channels that have HD equivalents now have the Enhanced TV that leads to the HD version.

The only channels with Start Over:

106 TOON
107 NICKJR
114 TVLND

I agree. It's really better than nothing and hope to see it reach more channels.

I'd really love to see it hit some of the HD channels, but I am not holding my breath. Mostly from a technical standpoint though (a few hundred megabytes for a 30 minute SD program compared to around 3-4GB for the same program in 1080i and then multiply that by whatever channels they decide to run S-O on and you can start to see an increased workload. And this has to go up on the same VOD server as the dozens of VOD channels we already have.)

Not sure how good that start over feature is since I only have one SA 8300 but it's definitely a feature that won't be available on TiVo.

Since I'm not a surfer and time shift everything that wouldn't be something I would be interested in anyway. Still I will say this. This feature and TW's On Demand are pretty darn good features. I haven't tried On Demand for sometime so I don't know if it's still as slow and clunky as it was previously.

Does anyone know if either of the satellites provide On Demand? If not it's the only reason I could think of why someone wouldn't switch. That and no line of sight.

How many tuners do your cable DVR's have? I have the equivalent of "start over" on my E* 622, but is limited to the channel that the other tuner is tuned to at the time. What it really is is a 1 hour buffer. As long as the 2nd tuner is not disturbed (as in having a scheduled program) I can rewind the buffer and watch what I missed on that channel. I can even record what was in the buffer by rewinding to the point where I want the recording to begin and hit the record button.

This "start over" sounds similar to my one hour buffer.

How many tuners do your cable DVR's have? I have the equivalent of "start over" on my E* 622, but is limited to the channel that the other tuner is tuned to at the time. What it really is is a 1 hour buffer. As long as the 2nd tuner is not disturbed (as in having a scheduled program) I can rewind the buffer and watch what I missed on that channel. I can even record what was in the buffer by rewinding to the point where I want the recording to begin and hit the record button.

This "start over" sounds similar to my one hour buffer.

DVRs have two tuners, SA non DVR boxes have one.

Start Over works on both DVR and non DVR boxes. This morning I tried out Start Over on my SA box. I was able to start Scooby from the beginning without having the TV on that channel at all. And the non DVR box behaved like a DVR, minus the fast forward option(you can pause and rewind).

Start Over works only on certain channels that TWC chooses. The program is recorded on (what I assume would be a network DVR) and your box is able to access that and view the program from the beginning. I haven't seen any longer than one hour shows on a Start Over enabled channel yet so I don't know how that is handled.

Wow, I'm surprised it works on non DVR tuners.

So if I understand you right this isn't available on all channels. Have you actually seen it go back beyond an hour?

It doesn't work on my old SA3200 box. Is anyone in the non-legacy (ex-Adelphia, etc.) areas getting this?

StartOver isn't working for me and I'm in an ex-adelphia in northwestern PA

It's probably only on Navigator systems. The banner is part of the "Press Select For Enhanced" display, which isn't on SARA.

SARA is compatible with Start Over.

Startover is basically VOD based and has nothing to do with the DVR system. When yo select Startover, it goes into the process of tuning the program on the VOD server (the initial 'please wait' screen seems to be much quicker though on S-O than normal VOD programming) and then plays back as if it was a VOD program, rewind,pause,FF delays and all. Only difference is FF is disabled (obviously to keep commercials intact and watched).

As nickdawg already stated, it's only on those 3 existing channels as far as I have seen and seems to be during select programs and not 24/7. All Navigator boxes should support it as should SARA.

It might also depend on your headend too. Since this is VOD based, the VOD servers are split between areas.

SARA is very much compatible with StartOver. My friend who lives in Upstate New York has had it for months, and he's on a SA8300 with SARA. I've seen it work.

I don't know if it just doesn't like the old SA3200 I have upstairs, or if it's not working out of the Bath headend yet. I haven't tried my SA8000 yet. I know it doesn't depend on DVR functionality.

As nickdawg already stated, it's only on those 3 existing channels as far as I have seen and seems to be during select programs and not 24/7. All Navigator boxes should support it as should SARA.


That might be it...it just may not be active on those certain programs. I'll try again in prime time - if it's schedule/time based, that might be the best place to try.

When I saw my friend first use it up in NY State, he was using it on local news programs.

I just had a Time Warner tech out to my house, because we had some channels come and go, probably because of the changeover.

I asked him when the SDV changeover would take place in the Elyria area (Elyria, North Ridgeville and Amherst. He told me that they just finished Bay Village and just started Avonlake. He said the Elyria area would be next and last, hopefully in a few weeks. He also stated we would have 100 HD channels in Northeast Ohio by the end of the year.

By the way nobody I talk to in my area received any letters about turning in their Moto boxes for the SA's like was published on the Ohio Media Watch.

I just had a Time Warner tech out to my house, because we had some channels come and go, probably because of the changeover.

I asked him when the SDV changeover would take place in the Elyria area (Elyria, North Ridgeville and Amherst. He told me that they just finished Bay Village and just started Avonlake. He said the Elyria area would be next and last, hopefully in a few weeks. He also stated we would have 100 HD channels in Northeast Ohio by the end of the year.

By the way nobody I talk to in my area received any letters about turning in their Moto boxes for the SA's like was published on the Ohio Media Watch.

It may be that TW figured out how to do the Moto boxes. According to my contact at TW there is suppose to be a way to make them work with SDV.

I wouldn't put too much stock into what the tech told you about 100 HD channels by end of year. I think it will happen eventually but my past experience with techs and their information on these things is they arn't very accurate.

I had one tech told me SDV wouldn't be in my neighborhood until July. That was in May and IIRC we had it by the end of May.

It may be that TW figured out how to do the Moto boxes. According to my contact at TW there is suppose to be a way to make them work with SDV.

I wouldn't put too much stock into what the tech told you about 100 HD channels by end of year. I think it will happen eventually but my past experience with techs and their information on these things is they arn't very accurate.

I had one tech told me SDV wouldn't be in my neighborhood until July. That was in May and IIRC we had it by the end of May.

The way the tech told me that with our system that all the moto boxes had to be switched out.
The way he explained the changeover in Avon Lake is that: " we began turning off boxes". Do you know what that means?

The way the tech told me that with our system that all the moto boxes had to be switched out.
The way he explained the changeover in Avon Lake is that: " we began turning off boxes". Do you know what that means?

Well, yes and that's what they said they were going to do. They said the letters would go out and if they didn't turn in their moto boxes they were going to turn them off. That kind of forces them to turn in their boxes.

Why am I not surprised that they would do this and not send out letters? Maybe your area is still waiting, I know they said they were going to do it in phases.

I just had a Time Warner tech out to my house, because we had some channels come and go, probably because of the changeover.

I asked him when the SDV changeover would take place in the Elyria area (Elyria, North Ridgeville and Amherst. He told me that they just finished Bay Village and just started Avonlake. He said the Elyria area would be next and last, hopefully in a few weeks. He also stated we would have 100 HD channels in Northeast Ohio by the end of the year.

By the way nobody I talk to in my area received any letters about turning in their Moto boxes for the SA's like was published on the Ohio Media Watch.

As Hook mentioned, the article in the Chronicle Telegram did mentioned that the rollout would be staggered, so it's possible the number of existing Moto's in the Amherst/ Amherst Twp zone are less than the AL/Bay or ELyria/NR zones.
FWIW, I haven't seen anyone with a GI or Moto box around me anyway.

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2009/08/21/cable-box-upgrade-offered/

Anyone aware of any new Nav updates in this area?

At my aunt's house who has an old 8000HD MDN box and just rebooted and going through the update process. Not certain offhand what the existing MDN version number was though.

Finally finished the update here. Dunno which version entry actually has the MDN version in it, but here goes:

PTV: v6.12.96.1sp, Wed Oct 8, 2008, 10:46:57 PM PDT
Dflt: vnot found, not found
Res: 2.4.6-19-ptv (Mt. Sherman) May 11, 2009, 15:33:28
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What happened to Start Over? I noticed TVLND and TOON no longer have the Press Select to Start Over banner. Is TWC pissed we found their secret?

An update for MDN? I have clue as I (thankfully) no longer have a MDN box. I don't even see the point in updating that soon to be extinct software. Plus it has to be the worst software I've ever seen.

According to Ohio Media Watch, "Start Over" starts officially next week:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2009/10/time-warner-northeast-ohio-starts-over.html

All "eligible" customers are scheduled to have the "Start Over" Service by October 16..

They were probably testing before..

Can't help but notice that none of the HD channels are in the initial "Start Over" line up. I have no idea how this works but my initial thought is bandwith is so much higher on a HD channel, and I don't see how this would work with SDV.

Also noticeable is not one single local channel is in this available line up. I could be wrong on this but I still think the majority of television is still watched over network channels.

Also notice no premium channels either. Now all of this could mean absolutely nothing since we no On Demand does deliver programming in HD.

For the initial launch, Start Over is enabled on 19 networks:
A&E
Biography Channel
Comedy Central
Disney Channel
Food Network
FX
HGTV
History Channel
History International
MTV
National Geographic
Nick
Nicktoons
Nick Jr.
Spike
TBS
TNT
TV Land
VH1

New channels will be added frequently.

Actually it is probably more of a storage space issue than anything. They have to have enough space separated on the VOD servers for all the Startover enabled channels long enough for whatever current program is on. And HD programming constitutes about a 6-8x storage increase over SD with the bandwidth TWC pushes on their channels. As I posted in a past post of mine, you're talking like ~500MB for a 30 minute 480i program and around ~3-4GB for 1080i for 30 minutes (I recorded a copy of 'Catch it Keep it' on the Science Channel in HD and it came out to about 6.3GB for the hour long show)

I don't know exactly how much storage space they provide on the VOD servers, but adding HD is a substantial increase in either case.

Actually it is probably more of a storage space issue than anything. They have to have enough space separated on the VOD servers for all the Startover enabled channels long enough for whatever current program is on. And HD programming constitutes about a 6-8x storage increase over SD with the bandwidth TWC pushes on their channels. As I posted in a past post of mine, you're talking like ~500MB for a 30 minute 480i program and around ~3-4GB for 1080i for 30 minutes (I recorded a copy of 'Catch it Keep it' on the Science Channel in HD and it came out to about 6.3GB for the hour long show)

I don't know exactly how much storage space they provide on the VOD servers, but adding HD is a substantial increase in either case.

Yes 6.3 gb is about a good middle number for how much space on a hard drive it takes. Usually it's between 5.9 and 7.2, never understood why or how.

Just depends on what kind of bitrate they decide to push for each channel. Add in the fact that the very nature of Digital Cable and QAM usage they have to use statmuxing and VBR (Variable bitrate) which bases usage on various factors like motion in the video and whatnot. It's not like classic analog where it's just one solid rate for everything. Digital is flexible.

Here's a good example: Most HD SDV channels they seem to be locked in at 15mbit solid. USAHD a while back was at a crappy 8-9mbit. 480i is anywhere from 2-5mbit. It just varies depending on many factors and the bitrate determines the actual amount of space to store the program of x amount of length.

According to Ohio Media Watch, "Start Over" starts officially next week:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2009/10/time-warner-northeast-ohio-starts-over.html

All "eligible" customers are scheduled to have the "Start Over" Service by October 16..

They were probably testing before..

That's good news. At least TWC is keeping their promises. And finally releasing something that works(or at least it did when I had it the other night).

A question for the experts. I'm thinking of buying a Roku digital video player. I have Road Runner (29.99 version) and was wondering if anyone has used this or can tell me if the RR speed is enough to stream movies effectively. They say 1.5 mpbs is okay but recommend 3. Thought I read that RR lite is only 768 kbps. thanks for the info.

A question for the experts. I'm thinking of buying a Roku digital video player. I have Road Runner (29.99 version) and was wondering if anyone has used this or can tell me if the RR speed is enough to stream movies effectively. They say 1.5 mpbs is okay but recommend 3. Thought I read that RR lite is only 768 kbps. thanks for the info.

I have a TiVo and I am capable of streaming from either Amazon or Netflix; but I've never used it. However due to the very nature of the beast I would think that you would want to get the fastest speeds possible for streaming movies.

I'm no expert but I say faster is better. First you may want to test your actual speed. Here is a link I use:

http://www.auditmypc.com/internet-speed-test.asp

I saw that Cnet has one that is carrier specific but it only gives up speads:

http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-speed-test/

What are you paying for this digital player? Just curious. To be honest I didn't even know they were out there.

I have a TiVo and I am capable of streaming from either Amazon or Netflix; but I've never used it. However due to the very nature of the beast I would think that you would want to get the fastest speeds possible for streaming movies.

I'm no expert but I say faster is better. First you may want to test your actual speed. Here is a link I use:

http://www.auditmypc.com/internet-speed-test.asp

I saw that Cnet has one that is carrier specific but it only gives up speads:

http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-speed-test/

What are you paying for this digital player? Just curious. To be honest I didn't even know they were out there.
thanks for the links. I will test mine tonight after work. the unit is 99.00 and uses netflix, amazon and they just added MLB with new add-ons planned. I think you can also view HD now but not sure. seemed like a good deal since I'm not a gamer and already have my ideal blu-ray player.

thanks for the links. I will test mine tonight after work. the unit is 99.00 and uses netflix, amazon and they just added MLB with new add-ons planned. I think you can also view HD now but not sure. seemed like a good deal since I'm not a gamer and already have my ideal blu-ray player.

I know that HD movies are available from both Amazon and Netflix. Here's Cnets review:

The good:
Affordable $100 price tag; streams Netflix Watch Now and Amazon Video On Demand movies and TV shows to your TV; the combination of Netflix's unlimited subscription viewing (as low as $9 per month) and Amazon's pay-per-view offerings delivers a good range of viewing flexibility and choice; PC-free movie watching; simple setup; includes built-in wired and 802.11g Wi-Fi networking; works with all TVs; upgradeable firmware allows for new features, interface improvements, and bug fixes.

The bad:
Though improving, the Netflix streaming library is still just a fraction of its DVD-by-mail offerings, especially when it comes to popular recent releases; the video quality of most non-HD titles doesn't come close to DVD, especially when viewed on large TVs; some titles don't appear in their original wide-screen version; no surround sound; can't manipulate Netflix queue or search Amazon library via TV screen; yet another box under the TV.

The bottom line:
The one-two punch of Amazon and Netflix makes the Roku Player an enticing choice for anyone looking for a simple, convenient, and affordable alternative to cable or satellite TV.
http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-media-receivers/roku-digital-video-player/4505-6739_7-33018087.html

I would assume from that review that HD is possible. I would also assume from that review that you would only want to select movies in HD for quality purposes.

I think I have read that Netflix or Amazon or both does not provide Dolby 5.1 on it's streaming. I could be wrong about that.

There was talk of a Roku Video box version 2 coming out but I don't know any details. Possibly for X-mas season? Dunno.
I find it very strange that they still have not incorporated Internet Radio into their box as this was the initial reason Roku even existed (making Internet Radio streaming devices, which they have stopped producing in favor of the video box).

I have a TiVo and I am capable of streaming from either Amazon or Netflix; but I've never used it. However due to the very nature of the beast I would think that you would want to get the fastest speeds possible for streaming movies.

I'm no expert but I say faster is better. First you may want to test your actual speed. Here is a link I use:

http://www.auditmypc.com/internet-speed-test.asp

I saw that Cnet has one that is carrier specific but it only gives up speads:

http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-speed-test/

What are you paying for this digital player? Just curious. To be honest I didn't even know they were out there.
well, so I don't know what to think about this now. just did the test (just hit the button so not sure if I'm doing it right. said my IP address is 76.188.185.123; is this correct) and the the upload was a bit short of 400 kbps. according to the Cnet review:
So if your broadband stream can't maintain speeds between 1Mbps or (ideally) 2.2Mbps, you should instead consider one of the many competitors that offer "queue-and-view" buffering functionality (Xbox 360, PS3, Vudu, Apple TV, and the 2Wire Blockbuster box).
It was such a simple question, so does anyone know what the speed is of the 29.99 TimeWarner RoadRunner? still confused but I'm guessing unless I upgrade to a faster service I won't get good quality trying to use the Roku.

well, so I don't know what to think about this now. just did the test (just hit the button so not sure if I'm doing it right. said my IP address is 76.188.185.123; is this correct) and the the upload was a bit short of 400 kbps. according to the Cnet review:
So if your broadband stream can't maintain speeds between 1Mbps or (ideally) 2.2Mbps, you should instead consider one of the many competitors that offer "queue-and-view" buffering functionality (Xbox 360, PS3, Vudu, Apple TV, and the 2Wire Blockbuster box).
It was such a simple question, so does anyone know what the speed is of the 29.99 TimeWarner RoadRunner? still confused but I'm guessing unless I upgrade to a faster service I won't get good quality trying to use the Roku.

First, sorry if I confused you. I said that Cnet was upload only, it is in fact download speed. I'm using Road Runner Turbo and on that test i hit 1.6 mb as my download speed.

According to CNETS chart you did well for your type of speed. Your speed appears to be the 384k, that's the slowest cable speed it's showing. And that fits in with Road Runners prices because they have 3 prices for their high speed internet.

So you would need to get Road Runners Turbo for the digital player that you're thinking about purchasing.

If you want to know exactly what TW says the speed is you probably need to talk to a CSR. I believe however it is in the specs that CNET gives....384k, 768k, and 1.5MB.

First, sorry if I confused you. I said that Cnet was upload only, it is in fact download speed. I'm using Road Runner Turbo and on that test i hit 1.6 mb as my download speed.

According to CNETS chart you did well for your type of speed. Your speed appears to be the 384k, that's the slowest cable speed it's showing. And that fits in with Road Runners prices because they have 3 prices for their high speed internet.

So you would need to get Road Runners Turbo for the digital player that you're thinking about purchasing.

If you want to know exactly what TW says the speed is you probably need to talk to a CSR. I believe however it is in the specs that CNET gives....384k, 768k, and 1.5MB.
nothing to apologize for. you didn't confuse me it's all the stuff and problems that goes with a simple decision to try and add to my viewing enjoyment. I though I could just buy the Roku, hook it up, and be good to go but of course that isn't the case what with router choices, internet speeds and everything else that comes down the line. And since you don't want to make a mistake by missing something that will affect that enjoyment down the line, you get overwhelmed with all of it, especially if you are like me, a person who just barely understands all this electronic rigamaroll (I knew there was a reason I got a 9 out of 36 on the math portion of my ACT test). so I will look at other options such as the xBox which I think is one to look at since it actually stores the movies, I think. thanks for keeping on the right path.

Start Over is back. When I tuned to SPIKETV I noticed the "To Start Over Press Select" banner.

This is good. TWC is keeping their promises and timeline.

I'm having a problem with one TV. Cable is connected directly to it with no box. All channels are fine except Channel 12 (local NBC), which appears to be very weak and fuzzy. All my other TV's are fine, and all channels on this TV are fine except Channel 12. I've checked all cables and connections. Even tried an amplifier which didn't help. Any ideas?

I'm having a problem with one TV. Cable is connected directly to it with no box. All channels are fine except Channel 12 (local NBC), which appears to be very weak and fuzzy. All my other TV's are fine, and all channels on this TV are fine except Channel 12. I've checked all cables and connections. Even tried an amplifier which didn't help. Any ideas?

WICU has always been bad it always has a ghosting channel

Yes 6.3 gb is about a good middle number for how much space on a hard drive it takes. Usually it's between 5.9 and 7.2, never understood why or how.

the variation comes from the video itself. if you have a program that has say has a lot of dark scenes and somewhat static backgrounds, not as much info needs to be compressed and a smaller file size. take something like WWE raw with lots of movement, light changes and stuff like that, and you get increased data and a higher file size. I've seen 30 second clips with differences of 20-30% because of what the video is.

WICU has always been bad it always has a ghosting channel

I only have the problem with Channel 12 on one TV. I have Time Warner also, this is not not OTA. The TV is an old one, could that be the reason?

I only have the problem with Channel 12 on one TV. I have Time Warner also, this is not not OTA. The TV is an old one, could that be the reason?

I think it could be the reason because it happens on my older tvs as well

Is it unlocked for anyone in the NEO area because it is making me purchase Center Ice

Is it unlocked for anyone in the NEO area because it is making me purchase Center Ice

Went to watch my Dodgers and there was hockey on 740. It had gone to O.T. fortunately they went to a shoot out so it didn't interfere with my game. So s NHL Center Ice was at least available for me free. Whether or not TW turned it on for free for everyone else who doesn't subscribe to a package I'm not sure. I am sure that the first week SHOULD be free.

But you gotta be kidding me. Does hockey regular seaso start this early?

I had no clue there was a free preview of anything. The channels are on, and I don't subscribe to anything in the 700s.

You getting baseball too? Dodgers on 740 in HD.

You getting baseball too? Dodgers on 740 in HD.

No. I have 1-877-772-2253, the number for customer service. I guess they are afraid of having the channel on, even for a minute. What a bunch of cheap asses, baseball season is almost over. I wonder if the SD channels will be turned off tomorrow when baseball is on instead of hockey?

No. I have 1-877-772-2253, the number for customer service. I guess they are afraid of having the channel on, even for a minute. What a bunch of cheap asses, baseball season is almost over. I wonder if the SD channels will be turned off tomorrow when baseball is on instead of hockey?

I'm showing 2 channels showing the same game tonight at 10:00. It appears I'm getting the free preview. Or they haven't shut off the channels on me.

What little I saw of the hockey in HD looked good.

I've been getting the Center Ice free preview here. I don't know a thing about hockey, but like watching the local broadcasts/commercials/etc...they even run CBC's "Hockey Night in Canada".

Oops. The games arnt on until tomorrow night. Didn't realize that.

Columbus vs Vancouver tomorrow at 10. No HD game.

What's going on with Start Over? It only seems to be active at night. When I look for it in the day, it's gone. I thought I was dreaming. Or hallucinating. ;)

Its just getting started. Be patient. Maybe it will be night only.

OMW is reporting that CBS College Sports is having a free preview on TW:

By the way, TWC tells us that there's a free preview of CBS College Sports (non-HD version for now) today through Sunday:

“ARMED FORCES APPRECIATION WEEK” is highlighted by a tripleheader of games on Saturday, Oct 10, including Vanderbilt at Army (NOON, PM, ET), Navy at Rice (3:30 PM, ET) and TCU at Air Force (7:30 PM, ET), as well as in-depth studio coverage throughout the day.

CBS College Sports Network is available on Time Warner Cable channel 322. The Network will feature additional “ARMED FORCES APPRECIATION WEEK” programming leading up to the live game action on October 10, including classic games and original programming.

CBS College Sports is usually only available in Time Warner's "Sports Tier"...

Since I know nothing about College Sports this has no importance to me but I understand that many of you do so there you go.

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2009/10/monday-followup.html

As Hook mentioned, the article in the Chronicle Telegram did mentioned that the rollout would be staggered, so it's possible the number of existing Moto's in the Amherst/ Amherst Twp zone are less than the AL/Bay or ELyria/NR zones.
FWIW, I haven't seen anyone with a GI or Moto box around me anyway.

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2009/08/21/cable-box-upgrade-offered/

OK, now I got to see the Moto. Had someone bring me her 6416 to see if I could pull some programming ( religious stuff) off of it. she lives in AL and I guess yep, she was turned off.

question: is there a way to pull these shows off of the drive ( after she brings me the remote)? I'm guessing because of the type of programming, it not going to be dinged but I could be wrong on this point.

OK, now I got to see the Moto. Had someone bring me her 6416 to see if I could pull some programming ( religious stuff) off of it. she lives in AL and I guess yep, she was turned off.

question: is there a way to pull these shows off of the drive ( after she brings me the remote)? I'm guessing because of the type of programming, it not going to be dinged but I could be wrong on this point.

The only way I know of to do it would be if they have the option to put on VCR. You can use that for either VCR or DVD. Some of these units are firewire capable but I don't know if Moto is.

I'd think if she didn't transfer already to VCR or DVD she's pretty well SOL.

The only way I know of to do it would be if they have the option to put on VCR. You can use that for either VCR or DVD. Some of these units are firewire capable but I don't know if Moto is.

I'd think if she didn't transfer already to VCR or DVD she's pretty well SOL.

well I tried the FW and it installed 'drivers' but I could not see a drive. came up as a camera/scanner

Oh well...

Vchat20, do you have a link back to the page where you had the listing for SDV channels? I'm really just curious as to whether or not TBS is SDV and I forgot how to check myself. And I'm just too damn lazy to search.:D;)

NP: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16906603&postcount=20026

I'm not at my main ODN box to check and there seems to be no such page on the MDN boxes to get a solid idea what is SDV and what's not. But I'd just throw out a wild guess that it is still a normal broadcast channel. Especially considering it is considered one of those high view channels.

Speaking of things that SHOULD be SDV, those two stupid "FSN HD" blue screen channels should be on HD. No sense in wasting two linear channels on that bull sh!t.

Although I would be more pissed if USA HD were on SDV, thankfully it is not.

Ok. Unless I am reading this wrong, Time Warner is up to their usual bait-n-switch tactics again. Got a notification of a change to the programming notices page.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6637/prognot.th.png (http://img230.imageshack.us/i/prognot.png/)
(strikeout lines are those removed from the previous update and the yellow highlights are what's added)
Or as it is in it's current (as of October 8, 2009, the date of this original posting) state for legibility:
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5325/prognot2.th.png (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/prognot2.png/)

Needless to say that unless this is a typo, the majority of the channels promised to be added both this month and the next are gone.

:rolleyes:

Hopefully if all goes well I'll be rid of TWC in the coming months and be rid of this hellish garbage. Planning to go to Dish for TV, CallCentric for phone, and stick with Time Warner for internet. Will save almost $70/mo and get more from all 3 services than we get now (not one of which would be an upgrade on roadrunner from 768/512 to the standard 7mbit/512 tier) WITHOUT putting time sensitive specials into account. And if Dish releases their VIP922 receiver, there goes an added bonus of a Slingbox integrated receiver at no charge save for the box lease costs.

I don't know how you got hold of those notices but a quick check of the TW Customer Service update shows they basically have torn that page down and replaced it with copies of notices they have sent out to newspapers.

I don't remember what was on the original notice since it had absolutely nothing I cared about. I'll keep an eye on OMW and see if they have anything to say about this.

I don't blame you for choosing satellite over cable. I really dislike Dish since they have proven themselves as thieves for stealing TiVo's copyright equipment and installing in their boxes, which is why they do have a new DVR coming out. I also find their advertising very annoying when they try to compare what they offer for NFL to what D* offers. No, it's not a better deal and you don't get the same amount of games, they just cleverly don't bother to mention that. Deceptive advertising. But that's your choice.

I also hope that if this all comes about we don't lose you in this forum, you are a very valuable member here. Please if you do go to satellite continue to drop in on us.

why post new HD Channels coming in October and Novermber and then just before it suppose to happen.

You take that notice down and replace it with something else.

Why get people excited over stuff and then not deliever them.

Which is worse saying I am going to do something and not do it..or just keeping your mouths shut until the last minute when it actually does happen.

I just like to think that the people running the TWC website are incompetent boobs. Maybe they had someone from CSR type the updates for the site. ;)

I didn't see anything about it at OMW, and they reported the channel additions when they were originally announced.

For those of you with Roadrunner, could you tell me how it's hooked up in your house? In the room where I have my PC, the cable line is split between my cable modem and the TV in that room. I'm getting some pixelization/breakups on the HD channels on this TV, which I don't get on other TV's in the house. The last time TW was here, he said my hookup in that room is not ideal. I'm not sure how to change it, however.

For those of you with Roadrunner, could you tell me how it's hooked up in your house? In the room where I have my PC, the cable line is split between my cable modem and the TV in that room. I'm getting some pixelization/breakups on the HD channels on this TV, which I don't get on other TV's in the house. The last time TW was here, he said my hookup in that room is not ideal. I'm not sure how to change it, however.

Mine is in my basement. It splits off with one line dedicated to strictly internet and then it goes out to the televisions.

If the hook up wasn't ideal then why the flock didn't he change it? Was he late for dinner or something? Even if he couldn't do it he should have wrote up a work order to have it taken care of for you.

Call them back, have them come out and do it right.

I asked earlier if TBS was SDV because I'm seeing problems. There was a double play that occurred and the picture just froze. Shortly after that the signal was gone completely, but it was a dark screen I had not the usual grey screen that I see when TW screws up. Stayed like that for a good two minutes or so.

Anybody else got the playoffs on?

I just like to think that the people running the TWC website are incompetent boobs. Maybe they had someone from CSR type the updates for the site. ;)

I didn't see anything about it at OMW, and they reported the channel additions when they were originally announced.

OMW got it from TW's web site the last time.

which crapped out this week....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


Check out the latest update from twcneo:

Legal Notices for September 11, 2009

Paper: Cleveland Plain Dealer Legal Notices

Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, and carriage of programming services is discontinued only in rare circumstances. The following agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future.

*** No changes at this time. ***

From time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

On or after August 15, 2009, RFD TV, Military History Channel and Crime & Investigation Network will be added to the Digital Choice Package and Daystar will be added to the Digital Basic Tier.

On or after September 1, 2009, CNBC World will be added to the Digital Basic Tier.

On or after September 14, 2009, Hollywood Celebrity Products will be dropped from the Digital Access level of service; The Gem Shopping Network, The Black Shopping Channel and Wize Buys will be added to the Digital Access level of service.

On or after September 15, 2009, Sundance Channel will be added to the Digital Basic level of service.

From time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned on or after October 15, 2009

Sleuth and Hallmark Movies will be added to the Digital Basic Tier.

The following channels will be added to standard HD: Cartoon HD, TCM HD, HLN HD, E! HD;

The following channels will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier: Biography HD, Disney SX HD, Outdoor HD, Fox Business News HD, Style HD, Hallmark Movies HD

I asked earlier if TBS was SDV because I'm seeing problems. There was a double play that occurred and the picture just froze. Shortly after that the signal was gone completely, but it was a dark screen I had not the usual grey screen that I see when TW screws up. Stayed like that for a good two minutes or so.

Anybody else got the playoffs on?

:confused::confused::confused:

I've never seen a grey screen on TWC. Ever. A dark scene sounds like the normal procedure when something is wrong with the channel.

If it was SDV, the blue screen that says "Press A" would appear.

I asked earlier if TBS was SDV because I'm seeing problems. There was a double play that occurred and the picture just froze. Shortly after that the signal was gone completely, but it was a dark screen I had not the usual grey screen that I see when TW screws up. Stayed like that for a good two minutes or so.

Anybody else got the playoffs on?
This happens to me a lot. I didn't really notice it before SDV was turned up in my area. It seems to happen more often between 10PM and 2AM (at least that's when I typically notice it the most due to my viewing patterns), and it seems to happen very often with HGTVD (445) FDHD (446). Try watching Good Eats tonight -- I don't think I've been able to finish an entire episode in the last month without it doing this.

Also, I have noticed that when it happens, the picture becomes still, but the audio is still transmitting to my AVR in DD. Once the screen goes completely blank/black, it apparently loses the audio stream and my AVR switches to PL. Sometimes I am able to tune to a different channel and then back, and it will return to normal. Other times, it doesn't help and I give up waiting for it to correct itself after 5 minutes or so and tune to another channel.

Not sure if it's related, but I can often trigger the same behavior by pausing (or rewinding) Live TV. It's almost like there's a fault with the buffer. However, in this manner, changing to another channel and then back always works. Switching between HDMI and Component doesn't seem to make a difference in either case; neither does resetting the box in every which way described in the first post.

For those of you with Roadrunner, could you tell me how it's hooked up in your house? In the room where I have my PC, the cable line is split between my cable modem and the TV in that room. I'm getting some pixelization/breakups on the HD channels on this TV, which I don't get on other TV's in the house. The last time TW was here, he said my hookup in that room is not ideal. I'm not sure how to change it, however.

Pretty much the same here. From what the smartest of the techs who has been here told me, the cable comes into the house, then to a special kind of splitter/filter that's specific to RR. Mine's a small box (about 1" on each side) with connectors on three sides. One cable in, one cable out, and one RR out. The RR out goes directly to the modem, and the cable out goes to another splitter for the rest of your TVs.

If you're trying to pull TV signals off the RR out, you're probably gonna have issues...

Pretty much the same here. From what the smartest of the techs who has been here told me, the cable comes into the house, then to a special kind of splitter/filter that's specific to RR. Mine's a small box (about 1" on each side) with connectors on three sides. One cable in, one cable out, and one RR out. The RR out goes directly to the modem, and the cable out goes to another splitter for the rest of your TVs.

If you're trying to pull TV signals off the RR out, you're probably gonna have issues...

I think it's pretty much the same for all cable driven services.
I don't have RR but I do have the WOW cable package (internet, phone, TV) and it is hooked up the same way as you describe. The only difference seems to be where they split it as mine is split at the cable junction box outside the house (the small grey box actually on my house), then run separate feeds for TV and internet/voip.

If you're trying to pull TV signals off the RR out, you're probably gonna have issues...

Perhaps this varies with the installation. I had RR for years, with an ordinary splitter dividing the outlet in one room to my cable modem and to a TV. Both worked fine. TWC did install an AC-powered amplifier in the basement (where the cable line enters the house); perhaps that's what's needed to allow my splitter arrangement to work.

:confused::confused::confused:

I've never seen a grey screen on TWC. Ever. A dark scene sounds like the normal procedure when something is wrong with the channel.

If it was SDV, the blue screen that says "Press A" would appear.

That's because you don't have a TiVo. If you had a TiVo a grey screen would be normal. Normal that is if the channel is down or simply unavailable.

It's totally not normal for me to have a dark screen. I know the dark screen you're talking about and this is not the same thing. Remember I have an SA 8300 too:)

This happens to me a lot. I didn't really notice it before SDV was turned up in my area. It seems to happen more often between 10PM and 2AM (at least that's when I typically notice it the most due to my viewing patterns), and it seems to happen very often with HGTVD (445) FDHD (446). Try watching Good Eats tonight -- I don't think I've been able to finish an entire episode in the last month without it doing this.

Also, I have noticed that when it happens, the picture becomes still, but the audio is still transmitting to my AVR in DD. Once the screen goes completely blank/black, it apparently loses the audio stream and my AVR switches to PL. Sometimes I am able to tune to a different channel and then back, and it will return to normal. Other times, it doesn't help and I give up waiting for it to correct itself after 5 minutes or so and tune to another channel.

Not sure if it's related, but I can often trigger the same behavior by pausing (or rewinding) Live TV. It's almost like there's a fault with the buffer. However, in this manner, changing to another channel and then back always works. Switching between HDMI and Component doesn't seem to make a difference in either case; neither does resetting the box in every which way described in the first post.


What was different about this is the Dolby 5.1 light stayed lit. Even with the dark screen and no picture.

I'm pretty sure this was a TBS issue and not a cable issue. And per usual I didn't get an email for my subscription to this thread so I had no idea anybody had answered.

I was having sound drop offs galore this morning on MLBnet and then I had a freeze. I had to switch channels to get my picture back.

I asked earlier if TBS was SDV because I'm seeing problems. There was a double play that occurred and the picture just froze. Shortly after that the signal was gone completely, but it was a dark screen I had not the usual grey screen that I see when TW screws up. Stayed like that for a good two minutes or so.

Anybody else got the playoffs on?

Hook I had the same problem. my slightly educated guess it was sunspots, which do happen for about week this time a year. I noticed when the feed for the game dropped, TNT,USA FX were also gone.

Can't blame SDV for this one

Hook I had the same problem. my slightly educated guess it was sunspots, which do happen for about week this time a year. I noticed when the feed for the game dropped, TNT,USA FX were also gone.

Can't blame SDV for this one

I remember seeing a scroll on the screen about possible sunspot activity but I didn't catch the whole thing. Good call!:)

For those of you with Roadrunner, could you tell me how it's hooked up in your house? In the room where I have my PC, the cable line is split between my cable modem and the TV in that room. I'm getting some pixelization/breakups on the HD channels on this TV, which I don't get on other TV's in the house. The last time TW was here, he said my hookup in that room is not ideal. I'm not sure how to change it, however.
How many TV's are you feeding? You might need a DA ( the amp not the QB)
my setup is the cable comes to the home point and then splits to the different sets from there. the modem also has it's own feed.

I don't know how you got hold of those notices but a quick check of the TW Customer Service update shows they basically have torn that page down and replaced it with copies of notices they have sent out to newspapers.

I don't remember what was on the original notice since it had absolutely nothing I cared about. I'll keep an eye on OMW and see if they have anything to say about this.

I don't blame you for choosing satellite over cable. I really dislike Dish since they have proven themselves as thieves for stealing TiVo's copyright equipment and installing in their boxes, which is why they do have a new DVR coming out. I also find their advertising very annoying when they try to compare what they offer for NFL to what D* offers. No, it's not a better deal and you don't get the same amount of games, they just cleverly don't bother to mention that. Deceptive advertising. But that's your choice.

I also hope that if this all comes about we don't lose you in this forum, you are a very valuable member here. Please if you do go to satellite continue to drop in on us.

Nah. Not gonna get rid of me that easily. ;P

As far as the Dish thing though, I'm not a huge sports fan so the lack of premium sports channels doesn't bother me. At most there's ESPN, but that's the extend of the need and it's pretty much a defacto channel on any system so... As long as the customer service is ok and they don't throw hidden fees and the like at you, I'd be pretty satisfied.

Also, I have had the programming notices page set up on changedetection.com which checks daily for any changes in the page and they keep past page changes. So the last change on Sep 25th where the extra channels were noted for October and November is viewable on there and what changed from the prior update. Check it out for yourself: http://www.changedetection.com/log/timewarnercable/programmingnotices_log.html

Time Warner Cable Northeast Ohio division
Scientific Atlanta 8300HDC -- Navigator ODN v3.1.1_3

Did you not get the ODN update a few days ago? I think it was Monday night because I remember the cable box in the bedroom making a strange clicking noise followed by the "death countdown" ;). I found it odd that the box clicked b/c the old Pioneer boxes used to click when they were turned on or off. The SA boxes do not.

I wouldn't be surprised if your internet service starts acting "funny". Since you post those change log things here about TWC's website with TWC's internet service.

Notice any strange vans outside, like spies? :p

Did you not get the ODN update a few days ago? I think it was Monday night because I remember the cable box in the bedroom making a strange clicking noise followed by the "death countdown" ;). I found it odd that the box clicked b/c the old Pioneer boxes used to click when they were turned on or off. The SA boxes do not.

I wouldn't be surprised if your internet service starts acting "funny". Since you post those change log things here about TWC's website with TWC's internet service.

Notice any strange vans outside, like spies? :p

LOL. Well if they start going all conspiracy theory on me, the Home office in Canton's getting a personal visit. ;)

I haven't had a chance to look at my HDC box yet since I haven't been home the past week but I had a chance to pop in last night for a few minutes and it had been updated. My Aunt's 8000HD MDN box also got an update around the same time to *-19 as I think I had posted a few pages back.

Also the clicking depends on the setting you have for the outboard AC outlet on the box as that is from the relay clicking on and off. If you go between 'Always On' and 'Always Off' in the settings while the box is on you can hear it. It's possible also that the update cycled it.

I have had all the output resolutions chosen on my HD8300 box so it would change channels faster. Today I hooked it up using HDMI instead of components. I then went back to components. Now when I change channels it has gone back to being slow and having to resolve the changes in resolution between channels (720p-1080i). I rebooted with no improvement. How can I get it to back to changing channels faster without resolving resolution?

LOL. Well if they start going all conspiracy theory on me, the Home office in Canton's getting a personal visit. ;)

I haven't had a chance to look at my HDC box yet since I haven't been home the past week but I had a chance to pop in last night for a few minutes and it had been updated. My Aunt's 8000HD MDN box also got an update around the same time to *-19 as I think I had posted a few pages back.

Unless you happened to check the first page of diagnostics or witness the download, you probably wouldn't know it happened. As far as I can tell, nothing changed. Everything looks and acts the same, so I guess it must be another "bug fix" somewhere deeper in the software.

Also the clicking depends on the setting you have for the outboard AC outlet on the box as that is from the relay clicking on and off. If you go between 'Always On' and 'Always Off' in the settings while the box is on you can hear it. It's possible also that the update cycled it.

I thought so. I used to use the AC outlet on both of my TVs. I still used it in the bedroom up until I got the new SA box, which defaults with the outlet always on. Now I just use the TV power button.

Unless you happened to check the first page of diagnostics or witness the download, you probably wouldn't know it happened. As far as I can tell, nothing changed. Everything looks and acts the same, so I guess it must be another "bug fix" somewhere deeper in the software.
Well when I popped in I found it unplugged (pretty sure it was my doing before I left) and when I plugged in and turned it on it went through and did the update process and did check the diagnostics and it read 3.1.3_2.

I thought so. I used to use the AC outlet on both of my TVs. I still used it in the bedroom up until I got the new SA box, which defaults with the outlet always on. Now I just use the TV power button.
Yeah, years ago when I had one of the old pioneer boxes in my bedroom my old 17" tv was able to turn on automatically after the power was lost so I made good use of it and set it up as a makeshift alarm on one of the music choice channels. :P Set a turn-on timer on the box and the AC outlet to switch on and off with the box power state and crank the volume on the tv before shutting it off and bingo. Was a nice feature.

I got one today advising me since I was a "cable card" customer that they were moving some "lesser viewed channels" to this exciting new SDV technology.:rolleyes:

The channels I'll miss out on unless I get one of their DVR's are HBO Latino W, Thriller Max W, Action Max W, More Max W, and Cinemax W.

Oh, these changes will be effective September 30, 2009.:D Today is October 9th.:rolleyes:

The bottom part of the letter talks about TiVo AND Moxi DVR's and that the tuner adapter is available for them. I know nothing about Moxi DVR's but apparently TA does work for them.

Letter is signed by Steve Fry too. Didn't someone tell him that he had retired? Maybe it's at the end of this year. Or maybe it was on September 30.;)

I got one today advising me since I was a "cable card" customer that they were moving some "lesser viewed channels" to this exciting new SDV technology.:rolleyes:

The channels I'll miss out on unless I get one of their DVR's are HBO Latino W, Thriller Max W, Action Max W, More Max W, and Cinemax W.

Why would you lose these channels? Something happen to your tuning adapters or what?

Why would you lose these channels? Something happen to your tuning adapters or what?

Are you serious? OK.

I thought the rolling of the eyes, the title of the thread, and such would indicate that this entire letter was really a waste of my time and a tree.

Tuner adapters I already have. The letter was offering them to me if I have a TiVo. One thing I was serious about was Moxi DVR's I know nothing about them.

I don't subscribe to any of those channels anyway so irregardless of whether or not I had a TiVo and a tuner adapter I still wouldn't get them.

Point of my post was strictly sarcasm directed at TiVo.

Got it now?;)

Are you serious? OK.

I thought the rolling of the eyes, the title of the thread, and such would indicate that this entire letter was really a waste of my time and a tree.

Tuner adapters I already have. The letter was offering them to me if I have a TiVo. One thing I was serious about was Moxi DVR's I know nothing about them.

I don't subscribe to any of those channels anyway so irregardless of whether or not I had a TiVo and a tuner adapter I still wouldn't get them.

Point of my post was strictly sarcasm directed at TiVo.

Got it now?;)

Ahhh. Gotcha. Guess I missed that. >>

http://twitter.com/ohiomediawatch


Reader question: Why did promised TWC HD channels fall off Programming Notices page? We hear the channels are still on target for 10/15.

http://twitter.com/ohiomediawatch

I kind of thought they would still be on target. I think they just changed their minds on how they want to post notices.

I hope they are still on target

I kind of thought they would still be on target. I think they just changed their minds on how they want to post notices.

I don't like the new way they post the notices. The original screenshot with the channels listed was better. This new format is too repetitive and leaves important information out.

I don't like the new way they post the notices. The original screenshot with the channels listed was better. This new format is too repetitive and leaves important information out.

This is the same way they'd been doing it earlier in other areas, like Mid-Ohio/Columbus and Cincinnati.

How many TV's are you feeding? You might need a DA ( the amp not the QB)
my setup is the cable comes to the home point and then splits to the different sets from there. the modem also has it's own feed.

I have 5 TV's. They are all OK except the one in the room with the modem. That one is pixelating/breaking up on some of the HD channels, including the locals. I've tried amps and they make no difference.

Holy Crap!! WOIO is showing some kind of commercial or infomercial for Clear Choice Dental in HD!!

Does WOIO have HD now?

I have 5 TV's. They are all OK except the one in the room with the modem. That one is pixelating/breaking up on some of the HD channels, including the locals. I've tried amps and they make no difference.

Tune that tv to one of the worst HD channels, then remove power from the modem. Does it clear up?

I have 5 TV's. They are all OK except the one in the room with the modem. That one is pixelating/breaking up on some of the HD channels, including the locals. I've tried amps and they make no difference.

I must know - are the other TVs HD? I only ask because having five HD sets in a single house is somewhat unusual. If the other four are SD, then we're looking at the wrong thing.

I must know - are the other TVs HD? I only ask because having five HD sets in a single house is somewhat unusual. If the other four are SD, then we're looking at the wrong thing.

Three sets are HD. I'm now testing without my modem on to see if that helps.

I don't know who's writing OMW or if they are just reading our posts here in our thread but they had more on the TW HD channel watch:

TWC WORRIES: Those actively looking for new HDTV offerings on Northeast Ohio's Time Warner Cable system don't just turn here looking for news.

They watch - like a hawk - the legal "Programming Notices" page which appears on the company's website.

Recently, Time Warner Cable changed the format of this page, so it now directly reproduces the legal notices filed for each newspaper in the TWC NEO service area.

And these notices were recently updated to remove a list of HDTV channels we reported would be added to the company's local systems on (/or after) October 15th and November 4th.

Panic visited the land! "They're turning back on their promise!", people shouted, jumping to conclusions like it was an event in the upcoming Vancouver Olympics.

And yes, they shouted that to the OMW Mailbox. We can only imagine what the Time Warner customer service reps heard.

So, we checked in with sources at Time Warner Cable's Northeast Ohio offices, and we're here to tell you - straight out of the book/radio series/movie "Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy" - "Don't panic!" (Oh, and carry a towel.) (The towel is optional.)

Our sources at Northeast Ohio's cable TV giant tell us that they are still "on target" for the previously listed channels to appear October 15th (/or after) and November 4th (/or after).

Copying from our previous entries, to put the list in one convenient place:

(On or after October 15th)

The following channels will be added to standard HD: Cartoon HD, TCM HD, HLN HD, E! HD;

The following channels will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier: Biography HD, Disney SX HD, Outdoor HD, Fox Business News HD, Style HD, Hallmark Movies HD

The following changes are planned on or after November 4, 2009:

The Weather Channel HD will be added to standard HD.

The following channels will be added to HD with carriage level varying by area: WE HD and TV One HD.

The following channels will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Basic Tier: Planet Green HD, IFC HD and Fuse HD.

The following channels will be added to HD for customers with the Digital Sports Tier: NHL Network HD, Tennis Channel HD and CBS College Sports HD.

These HD channel additions have MOSTLY been "on time" in recent months, give or take a couple of delays of a few days to a few weeks...so that's why the "/or after" above.

But we're told viewers shouldn't worry...and that the absence of the previously listed channels on the new legal notices doesn't mean they are not coming....

Sounds like us. :)

We already knew this basically from the previous tweet that Inundated posted but I saw a new tweet this morning so I thought I would pass it along.

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2009/10/weekend-cleanup-post.html

If it makes you feel any better hook I alerted OMW when I saw the program notice page change

If it makes you feel any better hook I alerted OMW when I saw the program notice page change
Don't know what you mean by that but I don't feel one way or another about it.:). I'm just passing along what I read.

At this point I don't give a rats behind what they add. I kind of want MSNBC HD. Outside of that I have everything I wanted.;)

I'm only looking forward to Cartoon, TCM, Fuse and Style in HD. I'd rather have MSNBC instead of HLN. HLN is worse than CNN in HD, I think nothing outside of primetime is HD on HLN.

Everything on MSNBC is in HD on weekdays. All of the primetime shows from 5-10pm(and their repeats, Morning Joe is also HD. Newsroom coverage during the day is done "ESPN News" style with a special HD side panel on the right side of the screen. That's better than a channel where programming is just 4:3 SD.

Also, Biography, WE and IFC stretch SD programming.

boy, I hope this new HD channel TCT (1.0 on my Dynex lcd) isn't one of our new channels TW was promising. An HD religion channel. Yikes!

boy, I hope this new HD channel TCT (1.0 on my Dynex lcd) isn't one of our new channels TW was promising. An HD religion channel. Yikes!

TCT is already on TWC. Channel 412 is "WRLMH". WRLM is channel 47, which used to be channel 67(WOAC).

It's really sad. It took TWC over a year to get WBNX, a legitimate network HD feed on the air but they put this garbage on within two months.

I have a SONY DHC-HDD500 High Def digital video recorder.

For the last few years - I have had this connected to my TWC CoAx signal, and have been receiving TVGOS (TV Guide listings grid) via Channel 25-1 PBS.

Recently - this stopped working all together. I stopped getting listings.

After reading a great number of posts on the various forum pages - It appeared that this may be due to the Analog-to-Digital transition. I was able to find a Firmware Upgrade for my Sony (v1.2.21) that will supposedly allow the unit to receive the "New Digital TVGOS" data... but during the firmware upgrade process I had to reset my machine, and lost the GRID and HOST CHANNEL configuration on the unit.

I have been trying all sorts of funky ideas and suggestions, monitoring and logging any / all diagnostic data ... and playing the waiting game.

Does anyone else in the CLEVELAND TWC Area have a TVGOS based TV / Recorder... and is yours working??

Does anyone have a good "Station Engineer" contact at TWC that can answer some tech questions - or provide some guidance??

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!!!

boy, I hope this new HD channel TCT (1.0 on my Dynex lcd) isn't one of our new channels TW was promising. An HD religion channel. Yikes!

Nope, it's a must carry TWC slid in a month or two back. It's WRLM/47.2, the HD subchannel of the TCT-owned station in Canton that used to be WOAC/67. TWC is stuck with it due to the must carry laws.

We don't get it here in the ex-Adelphia area fed out of Cleveland. WRLM's analog channel is on the system, but not the digital HD side.

I have no idea why there's that divide. We didn't have WDLI/17 in any form, analog or digital, for a long time...then TWC added it (analog 16) systemwide recently. WDLI is also licensed to Canton, and is also religious (TBN O&O).

Does anyone have a good "Station Engineer" contact at TWC that can answer some tech questions - or provide some guidance??


I don't think this is a TWC issue. From Trip Ericson's page on TVGOS on RabbitEars.info:

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=tvgos


TVGOS is the TV Guide On-Screen service. Some select digital TVs, DVRs, and converter boxes utilize TVGOS for guide data. Rovi, owners of Gemstar/TV Guide, has a deal with CBS and thus digital TVGOS data appears primarily on CBS stations. (Analog TVGOS data had appeared on PBS.)


That page shows that WVIZ had indeed carried analog TVGOS data, but it doesn't show WOIO carrying the digital version (gee, no surprise).

I did the TSReader caps for Trip, but I can't remember how long ago. TVGOS is not in the data for WOIO. (Oh, his list says July 6th, but judging from your experience, it probably hasn't changed.) WOIO is not the only CBS affiliate so listed...WGCL/Atlanta is another.

Trip is a regular reader here and in most of the threads, so I'm sure he'll pop in soon.

It's really sad. It took TWC over a year to get WBNX, a legitimate network HD feed on the air but they put this garbage on within two months.

You'd pretty much have to believe that WRLM-HD is only on TWC 412 because WRLM forced must carry issues. I wonder why WBNX didn't do the same for its HD side, initially? Or maybe WBNX goes the other route, doing carriage agreements with TWC instead of forcing must carry.

You'd pretty much have to believe that WRLM-HD is only on TWC 412 because WRLM forced must carry issues. I wonder why WBNX didn't do the same for its HD side, initially? Or maybe WBNX goes the other route, doing carriage agreements with TWC instead of forcing must carry.

Maybe it also has something to do with HD/digital now being the "normal" medium and SD/analog an afterthought. Back in 2006 WBNX was fed from the analog channel and that was "good enough". Now that every channel on the SD broadcast lineup is a downconversion of HD, it makes sense to carry the HD version as well.

I noticed the PBS multicast channels also recently showed up after 6/12. Maybe the rules changed?

I think it was even worse back in the day because I remember there being duplicate data in the guide for shows on ABC and FOX because TWC only carried WJW and WEW back when digital cable was new. Yet WKYC has supposedly been HD since 1999-2000 and I don't remember seeing that show up until much later.

I don't think this is a TWC issue. From Trip Ericson's page on TVGOS on RabbitEars.info:

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=tvgos



That page shows that WVIZ had indeed carried analog TVGOS data, but it doesn't show WOIO carrying the digital version (gee, no surprise).

I did the TSReader caps for Trip, but I can't remember how long ago. TVGOS is not in the data for WOIO. (Oh, his list says July 6th, but judging from your experience, it probably hasn't changed.) WOIO is not the only CBS affiliate so listed...WGCL/Atlanta is another.

Trip is a regular reader here and in most of the threads, so I'm sure he'll pop in soon.

I can confirm that WOIO is not carrying TVGOS data. I do see data in the VBI of WVIZ-SD in the neighborhood of lines 10-14 but I can't confirm that this is carrying TVGOS content at the moment.

I can confirm that WOIO is not carrying TVGOS data. I do see data in the VBI of WVIZ-SD in the neighborhood of lines 10-14 but I can't confirm that this is carrying TVGOS content at the moment.

If it was, would that work? It doesn't sound like it's working for the OP on this subject.

Trip is a regular reader here and in most of the threads, so I'm sure he'll pop in soon.

I read OTA related threads, but I am here as per your request.

No Raycom stations have TVGOS, and WOIO is no exception. In the Cleveland market, the local affiliate should be WVIZ.

- Trip

If it was, would that work? It doesn't sound like it's working for the OP on this subject.

It really depends on the tv set I think. I have heard anecdotes from owners of certain brands of sets with built in ATSC tuners where it should be able to pull TVGOS data from the VBI lines on a digital 480i signal but the tv's firmware had conveniently left that part out so it had to be sent digitally in the MPEG data for it to function. Again, this is anecdotes and was only one or two brands that seemed to be affected. If it's not working for the OP and the analog VBI lines are truly on those lines (if they are visible on the screen, I have high doubts unless your tv is known to have zero overscan. This would put the VBI lines away from where the tv knows to decode that data.), it would seem that tv can only function on the digital TVGOS data OTA or via QAM.

Of course, could always consult google or your owners manual to verify. ;)

EDIT: Sorry, let me rephrase a key point. ATSC or QAM do not visibly transmit the VBI lines like analog so if you are seeing those on your tv and it's on a digital channel, it's not gonna decode THAT visible info. MPEG-TS transmission (as used by both ATSC and QAM) embeds the VBI as extra data in the MPEG container (known as SCTE-127) where the tuner in the set directly reads that data and outputs it as necessary be it TVGOS data, Closed Captioning, whathaveyou and will not reach the display. The difference between this and Digital TVGOS is that the digital version transmits all that data as a separate program stream (very close to the definition of a subchannel for those less inclined on the terminology) and at higher data rates as a result.

Again, depends on the tv set. In a perfect world it should be able to decode the VBI data off analog channels, embedded VBI data on digital stations, and the full digital version mascaraded in a separate program stream. But it's all dependent on the firmware loaded on the set. Here's more info on the TVGOS matter btw: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17117948&postcount=526

It's also one reason why I always advocate those with newer sets to look up how to update the firmware on them, where to get them, and do so if there is a bug or missing feature and an update is known to fix it. TV's are now offloading tasks to powerful embedded processors and updateable software rather than doing it all largely in hardware and pre-programmed IC's like they used to. As a result the software is coded 'good enough' to get the product out the door and remaining minor bugs can be fixed later.

My guide shows 9 new HD channels in its guide this evening. They all show "Not Available".

457 DXDHD
459 TOON HD
461 HLM HD
465 TCM HD
467 EHD
468 STYHD
481 OUTHD
484 HLNHD
488 FBNHD


Ray

EDIT: Sorry, let me rephrase a key point. ATSC or QAM do not visibly transmit the VBI lines like analog so if you are seeing those on your tv and it's on a digital channel, it's not gonna decode THAT visible info. MPEG-TS transmission (as used by both ATSC and QAM) embeds the VBI as extra data in the MPEG container (known as SCTE-127) where the tuner in the set directly reads that data and outputs it as necessary be it TVGOS data, Closed Captioning, whathaveyou and will not reach the display. The difference between this and Digital TVGOS is that the digital version transmits all that data as a separate program stream (very close to the definition of a subchannel for those less inclined on the terminology) and at higher data rates as a result.

Exactly, Vchat. In fact if you look through the elemental PIDs here, (http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/oh-clv/18753-0_0.htm#pmt_3) you'll see stream type 0x06/Teletext and two more streams labeled "tvg1 AND "tvg2" buried within their main HD stream.

What's going on with Faux 8? Ever since they moved "Seinfeld" to 11 and 11:30pm it hasn't been in HD, at all. The 7pm episodes used to be HD all the time and I remember the 11pm episodes being in HD. Why did they stop?

Just noticed... we have the "Start Over" feature. I'm on the Macedonia headend. I'm usually on my TiVo, so the only channel I've noticed it on is comedy central.

I figured we'd have to be upgraded to Navigator before we could get the feature. But alas... still on SARA :(

Just noticed... we have the "Start Over" feature. I'm on the Macedonia headend. I'm usually on my TiVo, so the only channel I've noticed it on is comedy central.

I figured we'd have to be upgraded to Navigator before we could get the feature. But alas... still on SARA :(

Trust me, Navigator is no upgrade. :rolleyes:

And this start over thing is starting to suck balls. Every channel it's on, pressing select makes a message that says "Title Of Show Is Not Available At This Time".

Now where have O heard that before? ;):rolleyes::D

From Ohio Media Watch:

STARTING OVER STARTING: Worth a brief mention, and "first impression"...Time Warner Cable's "Start Over" video service has made its way to the OMW World Headquarters, in the former Adelphia/Cleveland service area.

We've gotten scattered other user reports that it's live for many of our readers, as well.

Our first impressions are mostly positive, though there are some quirks.

For one, we had to dig up our Time Warner-issued cable box remote.

The universal remote we use does have the "SELECT" button that prompts the box to go back to the beginning of a "Start Over" enabled show. But the universal remote doesn't have, as far as we can determine, a mapped equivalent of the cable-remote-only red "C" button that is used to exit a "Start Over" playback in progress.

Though you can use the remote's Pause button to pause the program being played back, you can't use the Fast Forward button like you could if you'd used a DVR or TiVo to record the show, even if you're "back at the beginning". Of course, the selling point with "Start Over" is that you don't have to think about pre-recording a show if you stumble into it in the middle.

The number of "Start Over"-enabled shows on channels with the feature seems to vary. Late one night, we were even able to use the feature on random infomercials on some channels (!), but not on mainstream shows you'd expect would be covered on other (enabled) channels. We'd expect that this will mostly "fill in" soon..

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/

So if you have a universal remote you can't use the C button. I imagine on programable remotes like Harmony you can designate another key for this. Maybe.

No surprise that the more popular shows or even channels are still not using this technology. Knowing TW it will be a while before they get it down correctly.

And speaking about getting it down correctly (knock on wood) have noticed that we've gone through a pretty good period with SDV. I haven't seen the usual glitches, sound drop offs, pixelations anymore then I do in their regular HD broadcast.

If you take the date that TW started SDV with it's native area and I believe that was around January of 2009 or later and apply the same theory to Start over it will only take about 9 more months before they have it right.:D;)

Doesn't matter to me, I''ll never use it anyway.

My guide shows 9 new HD channels in its guide this evening. They all show "Not Available".

457 DXDHD
459 TOON HD
461 HLM HD
465 TCM HD
467 EHD
468 STYHD
481 OUTHD
484 HLNHD
488 FBNHD


Ray

This was only on my 8300 DVR box. The 4250 did not show these new channels on the guide. I wonder when they will actually turn these new channels on?

Ray

This was only on my 8300 DVR box. The 4250 did not show these new channels on the guide. I wonder when they will actually turn these new channels on?

Ray

I think it's suppose to start tomorrow.

TW Reorganizes NE Ohio Division:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/358169-Time_Warner_Cable_Reorganizes_Northeast_Ohio_Division.php?ni d=2226&source=link&rid=6240895

I checked out the new channels former Adelphia area. All working. Now I can see Venture Bros in HD ?

I checked out the new channels former Adelphia area. All working. Now I can see Venture Bros in HD ?

Completely depends on what mood Cartoon Network is at the time. Search this forum for the Cartoon Network/Nickelodeon HD thread and read all about it. Sad to say though that outside of the first runs on very specific high rating shows, it's all upconverted and stretched SD garbage. And even the first runs you are playing a roulette game on.

Though lately it seems on the SD channel a lot more shows have been showing up letterboxed so maybe that is a sign of a change of operations? Guess it's a wait and see...

I was kindly informed by a forum member that he was told that TW would start turning off boxes in Amherst on Oct 13. Does anyone know how long after that before we will get the HD channels?

I was kindly informed by a forum member that he was told that TW would start turning off boxes in Amherst on Oct 13. Does anyone know how long after that before we will get the HD channels?

They would turn the HD channels on before a box switch off. I think you got some bad information.

I can confirm all new channels available except Fox Business News HD. Yes, I know that makes you want to cry. I got a message on the SA 8300 saying channel not available but on TiVo the Tuner Adapter has received the channel because I got the "temporarily not available press select" message.

TiVo's do not have any guide data and I don't see it at Zap2it.com. I'll phone TiVo and have them contact Tribune Media.

What the hell happened? They added trash like headline News HD and Biography HD and they took away Universal HD? 470 is now Palladia and Universal HD is gone as are the rest of the HD Tier channels.

What the hell happened? They added trash like headline News HD and Biography HD and they took away Universal HD? 470 is now Palladia and Universal HD is gone as are the rest of the HD Tier channels.

They moved them up:
The following changes are planned on or after October 15, 2009

Sleuth and Hallmark Movies will be added to the Digital Basic Tier; Hallmark Movies HD will be added for customers with the Digital Basic Tier.

The following channels will be relocated to new channel positions: On standard HD, Palladia HD from 469 to 470. On the HD Tier: Universal HD from 470 to 496; Smithsonian HD from 471 to 497; Mav TV HD from 472 to 498 and MGM HD from 473 to 499.

The following changes are planned on or after November 4, 2009:

Team HD will be added for customers who subscribe to the NBA Sports Package.

They would turn the HD channels on before a box switch off. I think you got some bad information.

actually my info was pretty solid :)

Wow, these channels suck balls. Disney XD, never watched it anyway. Cartoon Network, sounded promising because some of the shows on Adult Swim are HD, but so far all I've seen is funhouse mirror. Hallmark Movies, total waste of bandwidth. S**tty movies in SD, with the word "HD" in the right sidebar. TMC still shows movies in SD even on the HD channel. E!, never watch that entertainment crap anyway and even their "news" is in SD. Style, I like Clean House so it might be good to see the dirty houses in HD(if they're gonna show it in HD). Biography, more stretchovision like A&E. Outdoor channel, the murder of animals in HD. Yippee!! Headline News, coma inducing news with pretty blue "HD" sidebars. FOX Out Of Business News, apparently it is out of business already because there's just a blank screen!!

What, did TWC run out of shopping channels to add to the analog tier?? You can take these channels...

I just saw they ending of High School Confidential on TMC. It was widescreen but letter boxed.

Attempted to call in the channel changes to TiVo. Got a real bozo on the phone. First he wanted me to play stupid TiVo tricks but when I explained that the channels were brand new today he took 2 of them and said that was all he needed.

I got a ticket number, that's all I needed. I should have hung up and played representative roulette.

actually my info was pretty solid :)

OK. So you're saying they are shutting off boxes before adding the channels? Well, it's TW I suppose anything is possible.:p

For the many of you who care, Fox Business News HD is on now.

I just saw they ending of High School Confidential on TMC. It was widescreen but letter boxed.

Oh great, another windowbox HD channel. Just like Sci-Fi HD. :mad:

Why the HELL do networks that are HD not show 16:9 material filling the damn 16:9 screen??? That pisses me off beyond belief. I already hate letterbox enough because of how it looks on SDTV sets, I hate it even more when my HDTV is made a size smaller. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Oh great, another windowbox HD channel. Just like Sci-Fi HD. :mad:

Why the HELL do networks that are HD not show 16:9 material filling the damn 16:9 screen??? That pisses me off beyond belief. I already hate letterbox enough because of how it looks on SDTV sets, I hate it even more when my HDTV is made a size smaller. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I think it's because they are not showing it in film, they are showing the DVD of these movies as is. Just a guess.

It was pretty clean from what I could see, just had the top and bottom chopped off. I think on the credit's it said, "Presented in letterbox to really piss off nickdawg.":p

I think it's because they are not showing it in film, they are showing the DVD of these movies as is. Just a guess.

It was pretty clean from what I could see, just had the top and bottom chopped off. I think on the credit's it said, "Presented in letterbox to really piss off nickdawg.":p

The top and bottom wasn't chopped off. It's the full 16:9 picture, just squashed to fit a 4:3 screen, with the bars on the side because it is a HDTV.

haha, I remember NBC used to put that on the screen when they started letterbox. Thankfully NBC shows everything in 4:3 again. Sadly the same can't be said for USA. Oh well, at least we have USA HD now! :D

And here we are, out here in the old Comcast Elyria/North Ridgeville area still waiting for everything. No SDV, no new HD channels, no start over, and no end in sight. I'm starting to feel like the lost stepchild of TWC. My SVD adapter box just blinks it's green light in a series of eight blinks. Even the power button won't shut it off. Yes, I know can pull the plug on it, but I keep hopeing that something will change for the better.

Ben Music

And here we are, out here in the old Comcast Elyria/North Ridgeville area still waiting for everything. No SDV, no new HD channels, no start over, and no end in sight. I'm starting to feel like the lost stepchild of TWC. My SVD adapter box just blinks it's green light in a series of eight blinks. Even the power button won't shut it off. Yes, I know can pull the plug on it, but I keep hopeing that something will change for the better.

Ben Music

Ben...8 blinks and a pause means that thing is bricked. You have to call them and have them send you an addressable hit or else it will never work.

Trust me on this, I've had this happen a few times with my tuner adapters.

Ben...8 blinks and a pause means that thing is bricked. You have to call them and have them send you an addressable hit or else it will never work.

Trust me on this, I've had this happen a few times with my tuner adapters.

Thank's Hook for your insite. Unless you think this is a bad idea, I think I will just unplug it and wait for our area to get SDV. I will then call them for the addressable hit.

Ben Music

Thank's Hook for your insite. Unless you think this is a bad idea, I think I will just unplug it and wait for our area to get SDV. I will then call them for the addressable hit.

Ben Music

It's not doing anything anyway. Pull the plug then deal with it later when you get your case of SDV. Ha ha. Sounds like a disease doesn't it?:)

Just a quick note in case no one realizes it yet; Time Warner sucks! :) My wife and I's favorite show started last night, Nip Tuck, and we had to watch it in crappy analog SD because we don't have FXHD yet.

My one year negotiated deal with Time Warner ends on the 25th of this month. I have to call and see what kind of deal I can get for the next year. I would just switch to DirecTV but they don't have the new DirecTiVo out yet. Sorry for the rant.

I'm feeling the urge to dump TWC again because of this recent round of HD channel additions. They added total s**t over channels like MSNBC and SPIKE TV. Headline News has absolutely no HD at all. Right now both channels are doing "breaking news" coverage. CNN is in HD with the Situation Room. Headline News is in SD broadcasting from whatever 1980s studio they have. So I guess they can't even patch HD through for breaking news. But the boner pill commercials are HD!! MSNBC broadcasts in HD ALL DAMN DAY!!

Hallmark movie channel is as big of a waste as Lifetime movie channel. LMC broadcasts movies in letterbox AND stretched. Hallmark broadcasts in 4:3 SD with the letters "HD" in the right sidebar, as if that makes it HD.:rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for MSNBC HD.

Just wanted to let the TiVo people know that the new guide data is now available. If you don't see it tell TiVo to call in.:)

OK. So you're saying they are shutting off boxes before adding the channels? Well, it's TW I suppose anything is possible.:p

For the many of you who care, Fox Business News HD is on now.

the way I understood it, it done on a node by node basis.
but when the kill it...cant say they didn't warn ya.......

Ben...8 blinks and a pause means that thing is bricked. You have to call them and have them send you an addressable hit or else it will never work.

Trust me on this, I've had this happen a few times with my tuner adapters.

Grrr... Mine's been doing this since Tuesday night. Last time it happened, I called and the rep had it working within a few minutes. Called yesterday, pushed a bunch of digits on my phone, and was told the wait time was 13 to 26 minutes. 40 minutes later, someone answered - conversation was as follows:

Rep: Thanks for calling TWC, where our phone system doesn't know what the hell's going on. How may I help you?

Me: I have a tuning adapter from you that is connected to my TiVo. It's doing the eight-blink thing that requires you to send a reset signal to it.

Rep: We don't do TiVo.

Me: This is for a tuning adapter provided by you for use with my TiVo. You'll see it under my account.

Rep: <click>

She actually hung up on me. I haven't been that irritated by a moron in a long time... Unfortunately, I didn't her name...

Still trying to get my TA working - maybe I'll try calling in the early afternoon in hopes that the stupidity factor is lower during the day.

I gotta admit that I actually like TOONHD even though it is strechovision. Looking past the stretched picture, the quality is far superior to the analog channel. The colors are bright, the picture is clear. I think I can tolerate stretchovision.

I gotta admit that I actually like TOONHD even though it is strechovision. Looking past the stretched picture, the quality is far superior to the analog channel. The colors are bright, the picture is clear. I think I can tolerate stretchovision.

I'm curious. Is it a linear stretch or a Food Network style stretch? If the former, that's fixable with some tweaking. ;)

I'm curious. Is it a linear stretch or a Food Network style stretch? If the former, that's fixable with some tweaking. ;)

It looks like it is a linear stretch. I'm watching Family Guy right now and when there is horizontal "panning" the stuff on the sides of the screen is not distorted or larger than the middle of the screen.

It seems alot like the episodes of Family Guy on TBS, which also looks like it is using linear stretch.

Grrr... Mine's been doing this since Tuesday night. Last time it happened, I called and the rep had it working within a few minutes. Called yesterday, pushed a bunch of digits on my phone, and was told the wait time was 13 to 26 minutes. 40 minutes later, someone answered - conversation was as follows:

Rep: Thanks for calling TWC, where our phone system doesn't know what the hell's going on. How may I help you?

Me: I have a tuning adapter from you that is connected to my TiVo. It's doing the eight-blink thing that requires you to send a reset signal to it.

Rep: We don't do TiVo.

Me: This is for a tuning adapter provided by you for use with my TiVo. You'll see it under my account.

Rep: <click>

She actually hung up on me. I haven't been that irritated by a moron in a long time... Unfortunately, I didn't her name...

Still trying to get my TA working - maybe I'll try calling in the early afternoon in hopes that the stupidity factor is lower during the day.

Yeah, the 8 blink thing there is nothing that can be done about that you just got to find a rep who is familiar with with the TA to get them to fix it. Here is the number to the TW National Cable Card Support hot line: 866.532.2598. Just make sure when you call it you tell them that TW transferred you to them, that way they won't get pissed off and huffy. They can fix your issue. A wait may be involved, from what I understand there is only 2 people who work this line for the entire country. I haven't used this number in about a year but I just tried it and it works.

Did you see where TiVo has added Blockbuster to our video on demand selections? Now we have Netflix, Blockbuster, and Amazon. Pretty good selection to chose from if you want to watch a movie.

Did you see where TiVo has added Blockbuster to our video on demand selections? Now we have Netflix, Blockbuster, and Amazon. Pretty good selection to chose from if you want to watch a movie.

Unlike Netflix, Blockbuster does apparently work on the S2...I got it added to mine the other day. Amazon should also work on the S2, of course, but Netflix requires S3/HD.

Unlike Netflix, Blockbuster does apparently work on the S2...I got it added to mine the other day. Amazon should also work on the S2, of course, but Netflix requires S3/HD.

Amazon will only work with downloading a movie. Amazon also offers streaming videos as well now. I don't know if they even offer the old "download" service, but I do know you can purchase a movie so maybe they do.

There switching out boxes in Elyria now. They are being notified by automated phone calls.

I'm feeling the urge to dump TWC again because of this recent round of HD channel additions. They added total s**t over channels like MSNBC and SPIKE TV. Headline News has absolutely no HD at all. Right now both channels are doing "breaking news" coverage. CNN is in HD with the Situation Room. Headline News is in SD broadcasting from whatever 1980s studio they have. So I guess they can't even patch HD through for breaking news. But the boner pill commercials are HD!! MSNBC broadcasts in HD ALL DAMN DAY!!

Hallmark movie channel is as big of a waste as Lifetime movie channel. LMC broadcasts movies in letterbox AND stretched. Hallmark broadcasts in 4:3 SD with the letters "HD" in the right sidebar, as if that makes it HD.:rolleyes:


I agree with MSNBC and Spike...but what quality HD channels are out there that we are not getting....that others are.

I wonder if they will ever add the Extra HD channels from HBO/Showtime other then the Main One. I would even take HBO in Demand in HD..just sucks using their Demand and getting it in Standard and not HD

If they added Spike I might start watching wrestling again in HD. I agree Spike and MSNBC HD channels would be nice.

I took a casual glance at some of the new channels offered last night and I didn't see but 1 show that was in HD during Prime Time. I don't think I've seen any HD movies on TMC, what's the point of having a HD channel if you don't show HD.

You know what I think? I think John Q Public doesn't know the difference. I think that if you label a channel as HD the majority of people don't even realize it isn't in HD. Even with bars. And all TW cares about is "adding HD channels" as opposed to adding quality HD channels. So we will continue to get more of these crummy HD channels for the next few months.

I don't think TW has control on what HBO shows on their On Demand channel, I think that's up to HBO. I could be wrong.

If you go to HBO web page and look at current shows..all their channels are listed in HD...I think Show ime is the same.

interesting point about not all HD channels are in HD. Maybe thats why some Channels/Show look better then others to me on my HD TV..I just assumed the feed TW got or is giving me isn't as good as others and thats the reason for the quality difference.

If you go to HBO web page and look at current shows..all their channels are listed in HD...I think Show ime is the same.

interesting point about not all HD channels are in HD. Maybe thats why some Channels/Show look better then others to me on my HD TV..I just assumed the feed TW got or is giving me isn't as good as others and thats the reason for the quality difference.

Had your eyes checked lately?:)

Just kidding you, but seriously you're quite mistaken in regards to HBO.

I did take a trip over to HBO's web site and they only have 1 HD channel. Go here (http://www.hbo.com/) and look at the column on the left towards the bottom. There is a listing of "other HBO channels." Sorry Marty there is only 1 HBO HD channel.

Also it appears they are in control of what we see on demand. It's not TW that has control over that.

Had your eyes checked lately?:)

Just kidding you, but seriously you're quite mistaken in regards to HBO.

I did take a trip over to HBO's web site and they only have 1 HD channel. Go here (http://www.hbo.com/) and look at the column on the left towards the bottom. There is a listing of "other HBO channels." Sorry Marty there is only 1 HBO HD channel.

Also it appears they are in control of what we see on demand. It's not TW that has control over that.

All HBO channels are available in HD. Depends upon the provider. Following is copied from the HBO site: http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet "Experience HBO and Cinemax in HD. All channels are now available in SD and HD (where offered by your local provider). Questions?"

D* currently provides only HBO East and West in HD; but rumors are that all the others will be added first quarter 2010.

All HBO channels are available in HD. Depends upon the provider. Following is copied from the HBO site: "Experience HBO and Cinemax in HD. All channels are now available in SD and HD (where offered by your local provider). Questions?"

D* currently provides only HBO East and West in HD; but rumors are that all the others will be added first quarter 2010.

I believe you of course and now that I think about it you are right, I do remember hearing that other HBO channels are available on D* in HD.

I went and looked at the web page I linked however. What can I say? So is your link different then mine?

I believe you of course and now that I think about it you are right, I do remember hearing that other HBO channels are available on D* in HD.

I went and looked at the web page I linked however. What can I say? So is your link different then mine?

Yes. Plus, I've edited my post to provide the link.

Yes. Plus, I've edited my post to provide the link.

Well we are at the same site, you just went to the schedule. But you are correct if I had researched more and thought on it a bit I wouldn't have posted. I just saw what I saw.;)

Apologies if necessary Marty.:)

FSN needs to hang it's head in shame. There are two fncking channels of FSNHD on TWC and not one of them is showing the Zips game. I really don't care if it is in HD or not, I'd be happy enough to not have to watch the analog version of FSN.

Seriously, this game looks like it was recorded on VHS in 1985, uploaded to You Tube then shown on my TV. It's fuzzy AND there's digital blocking in the picture. :mad:

Right now I'd take an HD channel that stretches the picture over this.

Hmm... I could see HBO HD On Demand as being a bit of a bandwidth challenge. The only way I see this working is via SDV, and there's no way they should do this before they get the SDV glitches worked out. (My TA is still dead - tech will be here Monday to make dumb looks at it.) Even with SDV, there's still only so many HD signals they can cram into one neighborhood at a time...

Hmm... I could see HBO HD On Demand as being a bit of a bandwidth challenge. The only way I see this working is via SDV, and there's no way they should do this before they get the SDV glitches worked out.

You do realize that SDV and VOD come from the same gene pool right?

VOD=Limited selection of VOD feeds per node, used as VOD programs are 'tuned' by customers in that node.
SDV=Limited selection of SDV feeds per node, used as SDV channels are tuned by customers in that node.

Only difference is with VOD each feed can only be used by a single customer at a time. With SDV, when a customer tunes to a given SDV channel and it starts broadcasting on it's assigned SDV feed, subsequent viewers tuning to that channel will tune to that feed as well in a multicast manner such as we are accustomed to with traditional non-SDV digital channels.

Also, no matter what type of video is being run over a VOD feed, it's gonna use the same chunk of spectrum/bandwidth ala the QAM it is running on. Always going to be a 38mbit slot of bandwidth no matter what is being fed across it. And we already have HD VOD which has no problems with the existing system.

I doubt it is a bandwidth issue more than it is a storage issue on the VOD servers. It may also very well be other business related issues between TWC and HBO. We do not know.

The last thing I want is more HD VOD. IN fact, I'd like less VOD as it's just a BS selling point used by the cable companies as a substitute for real HD channels. How many years did they wave that "HD Showcase" crap in our faces rather than adding the actual networks?

I think server issues are key here. Think about a HD DVR. The same hard drive that can record 90 hours of SD can only do 20 hours HD. And how many hours of programming are on HBO VOD? Until hard drive technology changes, I don't think we'll see much in the HD department outside of linear channels. Which is fine with me.

No problem..I am usually the one who post something and finds out I am wrong.

as far as HBO on Demand in HD..I assume it would work like the PRIME TIME on demand in HD...

it would only send the show you pick in HD to your TV and not feeding them all to you like they do right now for the regular HD Channels

You do realize that SDV and VOD come from the same gene pool right?

VOD=Limited selection of VOD feeds per node, used as VOD programs are 'tuned' by customers in that node.
SDV=Limited selection of SDV feeds per node, used as SDV channels are tuned by customers in that node.


Yea, I know... In hindsight, I was a bit vague about my point - several beers worth of vagueness. :)

What I meant to say is that adding at bunch of HD streams coming from a node would suck up way more bandwidth than what VOD currently uses, and bandwidth management would be a bit tricky if a lot of people in an area are watching HD VOD. I don't know how much capacity TW has between each front end and the local distribution nodes, but I imagine there's not a huge amount of unused space. The total bandwidth required by several hundred people watching HD VOD could be more that what TW can handle at a front end, so it might require offloading some of the VOD server side to a more localized system.

Last night before the NCLS got underway I changed channels to 442 and got a blank grey screen (equivalent to the blue screen). I thought maybe there was a problem with TBS so I changed channels. I had nothing. Not even analog.

A quick check with my upstairs TiVo confirmed the cable wasn't out. So I rebooted. The Tuner Adapter however didn't "reboot" along with my TiVo so I had to mess with that. I got it up and running in full by start of game time.

Maybe TW was trying to do me a favor considering the score.

Anyway it's lights out in my house because of the parrots (see sig) at 10:00 pm. I went to put the "game," if you want to call it that on my other TiVo and had the exact same problem. Remember, I checked it earlier and it was working fine. A reboot and unplugging the Tuner Adapter brought it back.

I can't believe such a freak occurrence could happen to both DVR's. Time Warner what were you up to last night?

Oh and the SA 8300? No problem with that at all.

I got to think TW sent out some kind of signal that caused this. Did you guys notice anything at all around either 7:30 pm or 10:00 pm on your DVR's or STB?

Anybody else not receiving Espn HD, ESPN2 HD, TNT HD, or TBS HD

Anybody else not receiving Espn HD, ESPN2 HD, TNT HD, or TBS HD

Checked TBS and ESPN as soon as I saw your post. I'm not having any issues in Baninbridge with these channels.

I was concerned about TBS. NLCS is on there tonight. Don't scare me like that, I went through enough last night.;)

Checked TBS and ESPN as soon as I saw your post. I'm not having any issues in Baninbridge with these channels.

I was concerned about TBS. NLCS is on there tonight. Don't scare me like that, I went through enough last night.;)

We, in Amherst, have had channels go off and on for the last month, probably because of the change over to SDV.

We, in Amherst, have had channels go off and on for the last month, probably because of the change over to SDV.

Interesting. None of those channels are SDV. It shouldn't affect them at all.

Interesting. None of those channels are SDV. It shouldn't affect them at all.

They have been moving channels to different QAM locations.

They have been moving channels to different QAM locations.

They have those new territories now. IIRC you and I would be in two different territories. Perhaps that's why you're missing the channels and I'm not. And I guess if they are adding SDV, and it's about time you suffered like the rest of us, those changes could result in temporary black outs.

Let us know when it comes back up.

They have those new territories now. IIRC you and I would be in two different territories. Perhaps that's why you're missing the channels and I'm not. And I guess if they are adding SDV, and it's about time you suffered like the rest of us, those changes could result in temporary black outs.

Let us know when it comes back up.

They all came back on except TBSHD. TBS HD has been the only HD channel, other than locals, that has been in the clear without a cable box.

They have those new territories now. IIRC you and I would be in two different territories. Perhaps that's why you're missing the channels and I'm not. And I guess if they are adding SDV, and it's about time you suffered like the rest of us, those changes could result in temporary black outs.

Let us know when it comes back up.

TBS HD came back on around 7:30

Well, the TWC tech came out today to check my tuning adapter... Mine was the first TA this particular tech had ever seen (not his fault), so we were off to a roaring start. After multiple phone calls, signal checks at several locations, etc., he finally reached someone at their national CableCard support group. Another 45 minutes of testing, rebooting, checking diagnostics on the Tivo, and the CC support guy decided that the TA needed to be swapped out. Of course the tech didn't have one with him, so he tracked one down and returned within an hour. About 15-20 minutes after being connected, it synced up and all my channels were back. :)

One interesting bit for the TA users to file in the back of their minds: When we were poking around trying to get the old TA to work, it would sometimes start the "8 blinks then pause" bit indicating it wasn't authorized, and other times do the continuous blinking that says it can't find it's Mommy. (I've been seeing this behavior ever since the problems started.) If you have a TA with an inconsistent blink pattern after reboots, it might be time to replace the unit.

Well, the TWC tech came out today to check my tuning adapter... Mine was the first TA this particular tech had ever seen (not his fault), so we were off to a roaring start. After multiple phone calls, signal checks at several locations, etc., he finally reached someone at their national CableCard support group. Another 45 minutes of testing, rebooting, checking diagnostics on the Tivo, and the CC support guy decided that the TA needed to be swapped out. Of course the tech didn't have one with him, so he tracked one down and returned within an hour. About 15-20 minutes after being connected, it synced up and all my channels were back. :)

One interesting bit for the TA users to file in the back of their minds: When we were poking around trying to get the old TA to work, it would sometimes start the "8 blinks then pause" bit indicating it wasn't authorized, and other times do the continuous blinking that says it can't find it's Mommy. (I've been seeing this behavior ever since the problems started.) If you have a TA with an inconsistent blink pattern after reboots, it might be time to replace the unit.

I've never had an occasion with the TA when I wasn't able to bring it back except if I got the 8 blinks and a pause. That, according to their Cable Cards people, is a brick mode. You need a hit to revive it and it's a special kind of hit, not just the regular ones the CSR's do.

I've had it blinking in all kinds of other ways, continuous flashing after a 3 quick blink then what appears to be 4 blinks then it shuts down. It comes back up on it's own and thats when I see the fast blinking. Solution is simply unplug the unit, leave it unplugged for 30 seconds and plug it in. If that doesn't work then you unplug the USB cord. One way or another, I get it working.

These problems we experience with our TA from what I've read in other threads are unusual. Most peoples TA seem to work fine from what I hear.

One thing I can tell you to look for is if you do a reboot the TA should go into a moderate 6 flashes and a pause mode. That is normal and when reboot is completed you should have a green light. If you are rebooting and the light stays solid then while it's in reboot you may want to go ahead and unplug both the power and USB and plug it back in. I've done this and had it come back with a solid light. After any reboot it's a good idea to take a look at the bottom of the TiVo Diaganostic screen, TA should read Operational and show channels received.

I woke up today with a nice gift jumbled and broken guide data on my 4250

For those in the Canton area..

WIVM is now on digital channel 367. WVIZ-PBS Create takes WIVM's old spot at 365..

Also:
A note for local classic TV fans..A new special about Ghoulardi/Ernie Anderson will premiere Next Tuesday, Oct. 27 at 9PM on Western Reserve PBS 45/49. The Hour long special will feature new interviews with Chuck Schodowski, Tom Feran, Mike Olszewski, Ghoulardifest producer Ron Garsteck and others..The special will be shown several more times on 45-1 and 45-2 Fusion In the days following..Details and a film clip here..

http://clevelandclassicmedia.blogspot.com/2009/10/turn-blue-special-to-premiere-on-pbs.html

I'm still waiting for MSNBC HD.

Check your service on or about November 4th. ;)

Check your service on or about November 4th. ;)

How does this guy know stuff like this?:)

Its my birthday present from TW.

How does this guy know stuff like this?:)

Its my birthday present from TW.

My birthday gift would be an actual free preview of NHL Center Ice like we were supposed to have, but didn't

How does this guy know stuff like this?:)

Its my birthday present from TW.

and for 50 cents, he can guess your weight :D

Check your service on or about November 4th. ;)

No. The Weather Channel, WE, Fuse and other channels that are NOT MSNBC are scheduled to be added on November 4. :rolleyes:

No. The Weather Channel, WE, Fuse and other channels that are NOT MSNBC are scheduled to be added on November 4. :rolleyes:

If Cathode Kid says it will happen, it will happen.

and for 50 cents, he can guess your weight :D

Stand under a coconut tree long enough and you eventually get hit by a coconut. ;)

Hey guys I'm testing something on my blackberry and I need a response from anybody to this post. Just a OK I'm responding, bitch about TW whatever you like.

Appreciate it in advance.

Hook,
I'll be your Huckleberry.
Ray

Hook,
I'll be your Huckleberry.
Ray

Thanks Ray. Got just what I needed.;)

Meanwhile in Amherst we wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait!!!

Meanwhile in Amherst we wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait!!!

They say good things come to those who wait. They also purchase cars from Howie Long who in his spare time sells Chevys.:rolleyes: Cathode Kid, you got any of your famous predictions here for our good buddy schandorsky?

Maybe Amherst is getting MSNBC HD on November 7th. :rolleyes:

Maybe we're all getting MSNBC HD! :p I'll believe it when I see it. ;)

We have absolutly no competition in the Lorain county area. Time Warner takes the sweet ole time getting us anything! Boy I wish the evil empire (at&t) or Fios would come into the area.. How come we are so locked out from everything here? Windstream & Time Warner.. when you care enough to get screwed by the best(or worst). Heck we can't even get WOW.. bu my neighbor 3 doors down (well not really 3 doors down, but you get the point) in Cuyahoga can get anything they want?)

I can't believe that they were bragging on their updates page that after these latest hdtv channels they will have 30 hdtv channels available. Heck, I can get 30 OTA channels..

Can't we complain to the FCC or anything like that..

Sorry for my rant

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We have absolutly no competition in the Lorain county area. Time Warner takes the sweet ole time getting us anything! Boy I wish the evil empire (at&t) or Fios would come into the area.. How come we are so locked out from everything here? Windstream & Time Warner.. when you care enough to get screwed by the best(or worst). Heck we can't even get WOW.. bu my neighbor 3 doors down (well not really 3 doors down, but you get the point) in Cuyahoga can get anything they want?)

I can't believe that they were bragging on their updates page that after these latest hdtv channels they will have 30 hdtv channels available. Heck, I can get 30 OTA channels..

Can't we complain to the FCC or anything like that..

Sorry for my rant

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I feel your pain. If the new DirecTiVo was out I would jump ship in a heart beat. I may just give Time Warner until mid-November and switch regardless of whether the new DirecTiVo is available or not.

We have absolutly no competition in the Lorain county area. Time Warner takes the sweet ole time getting us anything! Boy I wish the evil empire (at&t) or Fios would come into the area.. How come we are so locked out from everything here? Windstream & Time Warner.. when you care enough to get screwed by the best(or worst). Heck we can't even get WOW.. bu my neighbor 3 doors down (well not really 3 doors down, but you get the point) in Cuyahoga can get anything they want?)

I can't believe that they were bragging on their updates page that after these latest hdtv channels they will have 30 hdtv channels available. Heck, I can get 30 OTA channels..

Can't we complain to the FCC or anything like that..

Sorry for my rant

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Check out this link. http://www.com.ohio.gov/admn/vsa/

Cable is regulated by the state. You would need to complain to them about your concerns.

This regulation by the way was pushed through in a joint effort by your friends at AT&T and Time Warner Cable.:rolleyes:

FiOS isn't coming to anywhere, locally, that doesn't already have Verizon landline service. And even in those areas (e.g. Medina County), they probably don't have enough of a customer base for Verizon to make the investment in infrastructure.

Having long ago been a customer of what used to be GTE in Sharon Township, Medina County, the idea of FiOS there blows me away. When I lived there in the mid-80's, GTE still didn't have true touch tone service...their system picked up the touch tones, then converted them "on the fly" to pulses!!!

Yes. Keep in mind when it comes to both landline and cable providers, generally you are stuck with what you have. If you have AT&T, don't plan on getting Sprint/Embarq or Verizon unless you move or they take over your territory. In the same light for cable: If you have Time Warner, do not plan on getting Comcast or Armstrong unless you move or they take over. Thank overly territorial franchising agreements for this. There are VERY few areas I know of that will actually allow service competition in the same territory (Columbus is one with Time Warner/Insight and WOW).

We have Sprint/Embarq here as the local landline and I'd lop off an arm and a leg as a sacrifice to have them replaced by Verizon or AT&T. Sadly hell would have to permanently ice over and even then I'd be SOL. :(

There are VERY few areas I know of that will actually allow service competition in the same territory (Columbus is one with Time Warner/Insight and WOW).

Some of the Cleveland area also has WOW, which started out as an alternative system by the old Ameritech (ex-Ohio Bell, current AT&T).

I've wanted FIOS in the past and even flirted with the idea of AT&T. But now I think I'm sticking with TWC since the HD channel addition has picked up, the SDV issues are under control and the level of suckage of Navigator is at a tolerable level.

What's wrong with TWC? Once again I have a fncked up 4250HDC box. I was watching channel 03, WKYC(analog) and at 9AM the banner on WKYC said "FOX News at 5AM". Now it says "Action News This Morning" on WKYC and the Dr. Oz Show on channel 05 says "Hometime" from 10-11AM.

What's wrong with TWC? Once again I have a fncked up 4250HDC box. I was watching channel 03, WKYC(analog) and at 9AM the banner on WKYC said "FOX News at 5AM". Now it says "Action News This Morning" on WKYC and the Dr. Oz Show on channel 05 says "Hometime" from 10-11AM.

Guide data in SA 8300 appears to be correct.

Guide data in SA 8300 appears to be correct.

Same here. 8300 is fine, it's just the 4250 box.

CNN’s Atlanta studios, including the main CNN newsroom, are now broadcasting in 16:9. While the video may be in a widescreen format, CNN is currently up converting the video to fit the screen while still using SD cameras. Via Inside Cable News:

Following up on yesterday’s HD news on CNN Atlanta, I can now finally, after missing it yesterday, confirm that Atlanta has gone HD. And my emailer is correct. They are using morphed SD video to reach 16:9 mode in the studio to make “almost HD” similar to what the O’Reilly Factor does. Does this mean CNN is saving the full HD cameras for the rumored new studio due to logistical reasons?

Hopefully they are waiting to use the new cameras with the rumored new set… November is quickly approaching, so we may see changes soon.

nickdawg that happened to me earlier this week

Meanwhile in Amherst we wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait!!!

Well, they're proceeding. My neighbor ( in 'the valley" ;)had a Moto ( I didnt know he did) and he done got blowed up Tuesday. He got a nice shiney machine now.

Gwad, what did some people do when it was max 36 channels with the lovely 'box' of 12 switches and a lever to select A, B, or C.

We are getting a few channels with the "Start Over" function. Sometimes it works other times not (no sound).
Also response from the "On Demand" channels is much better than it use to be.

CNN’s Atlanta studios, including the main CNN newsroom, are now broadcasting in 16:9. While the video may be in a widescreen format, CNN is currently up converting the video to fit the screen while still using SD cameras. Via Inside Cable News:

Following up on yesterday’s HD news on CNN Atlanta, I can now finally, after missing it yesterday, confirm that Atlanta has gone HD. And my emailer is correct. They are using morphed SD video to reach 16:9 mode in the studio to make “almost HD” similar to what the O’Reilly Factor does. Does this mean CNN is saving the full HD cameras for the rumored new studio due to logistical reasons?

Hopefully they are waiting to use the new cameras with the rumored new set… November is quickly approaching, so we may see changes soon.

Got CNN newsroom on right now, new studio and it's in full HD. News stories however still have bars.

Lost the sound on Disney HD. No sound on TNT HD "Start Over" either.

Got CNN newsroom on right now, new studio and it's in full HD. News stories however still have bars.

New studio? It might be the New York studio again. They were doing Rick Sanchez and the morning CNN Newsroom out of New York earlier in the week. Friday's Rick Sanchez was HD in Atlanta, same set.

New studio? It might be the New York studio again. They were doing Rick Sanchez and the morning CNN Newsroom out of New York earlier in the week. Friday's Rick Sanchez was HD in Atlanta, same set.
Poor choice of words on my part. I meant they had a new set, not studio.

I just tuned into HGTV HD and was offered Start Over. I gave it a whirl -- no audio problems. Very glad to see that they've built the infrastructure to extend Start Over to the 400's!

I just tuned into HGTV HD and was offered Start Over. I gave it a whirl -- no audio problems. Very glad to see that they've built the infrastructure to extend Start Over to the 400's!

The only channel I'm having trouble with the "Start Over" feature and audio is TNT HD.