If all goes well, WEWS Cleveland should be on its new antenna by noon tomorrow (Saturday). The new antenna is 23.2’ higher than the old antenna. The center of radiation above AMSL will be 1837.53’, HAAT of 958.27’, 741.73’ above ground, 958.27’ above average terrain. The total tower height is now 775’.

TWC's boxes won't let you do that. I've tried every combination of Stretch vs. Zoom vs. Normal, 4x3 vs. 16x9 Aspect Ratio and 1080i, 720p, 480i and 480p. Regardless of what yo do the picture won't change unless you use the component output. Only the component output lets you change the picture size.

The stupid thing is it forces the IPG and all other UI screens/graphics to be 4x3, just like they were on the SD boxes. To be honest, I'd be happy if the box didn't have changeable aspect ratios, just force 4x3 output. Black bars on the screen are ever acceptable for me so I just watch the analog version of the channel. All the local channels are good with their downconversion.
A footnote: I use the S-Video output of my E* DVR. Every HD channels has the ability to stretch & zoom including the OTA signals. The only channels I cannot change the aspect ratio on are any SD channels including subchannels off the OTA tuner. As long as it's HD I can change the aspect ratio.

The same feature is available on the composite and RF feeds. BTW: the RF feed is like having your own home cable system headend. It outputs NTSC RF on either UHF or Cable hyperband channels and modulates the audio with BTSC for stereo sound. The RF output is powerful enough to supply an entire house with an RF signal without any additional amplification (in fact they suggest using an attenuator if you only have 1 set on the line with a short cable). Both satellite tuners are available as separate RF channels and the remote control are RF so you can use them in another room and still control the receiver through walls. U-Verse makes a big deal about whole home systems, E* has been doing it for years.

Remember a while back I was talking about the elimination if analog channels and why it couldn't be done because of equipment in hotels and hospits? Well, I'm in a hospital right now looking at a 42 inch LG LCD tv, fully digital capable. They have the hospitals menu on screen and you have choices of movies television and there are 5 HD channel. All local. WOIO is not a choice.

Point is modern equipment is being installed in these facilities. Analog should be gone in 3 years.

I'm assuming its cable but because of the menu set up I can't say for certain.

Parma Hospital's in-house TV system has gone through many incarnations since I've lived here. At first the had all the locals OTA and channel shifted (due to the saturation from the antenna farm which is so close that you can see intimate details of the towers up close). You would think the reception would be great, not! Even shifting the channels could not help a poorly constructed system.

Then they went with DirecTV. This added many "cable channels" which looked fine, but the locals still sucked. Now they get their TV from COX Cable's analog service. This is the best it has been but still not perfect. At least they stopped charging for TV (at least they did for awhile, I'm not sure if that is for good or just a temporary situation).

Remember a while back I was talking about the elimination if analog channels and why it couldn't be done because of equipment in hotels and hospits? Well, I'm in a hospital right now looking at a 42 inch LG LCD tv, fully digital capable. They have the hospitals menu on screen and you have choices of movies television and there are 5 HD channel. All local. WOIO is not a choice.

Point is modern equipment is being installed in these facilities. Analog should be gone in 3 years.

I'm assuming its cable but because of the menu set up I can't say for certain.

Hook,

This was my argument here months ago here. New equipment will force the death of analog.

Ray

Well this particular hospital was a brand new hospital. I was really impressed by the equipment they had. Even in their day surgery they had like 22" screens, HD ready.

I toured the new TriPoint Medical Center in Concord a few weeks ago just before they opened for business. It was definitely a technology junkies' fix

Back on topic, Ive had some reception issue the last few days on some of my upper HD channels (near 500). It seems to be intermitent but its the first reception issure I've had with TWC in quite awhile.

Ray

I toured the new TriPoint Medical Center in Concord a few weeks ago just before they opened for business. It was definitely a technology junkies' fix

Back on topic, Ive had some reception issue the last few days on some of my upper HD channels (near 500). It seems to be intermitent but its the first reception issure I've had with TWC in quite awhile.

Ray

Yep. That's where I was today. :) It's where my wife still is.:(

I'm surprised they'd use HDTVs in a hospital. :confused:

Down here at Summa the patient rooms have old Magnavox CRT sets with D* feeding the distribution system(I've seen D* inserted ads on the cable stations). Some of the waiting room type areas have 19-25'' flat screens, although they are fed with the same analog service, stretched to fill the screen! ;)

Why can't WBNX, channel 55 carry its syndicated shows in HD ala LEGEND OF THE SEEKER.
Seeker is one of the best looking shows on HD with all that on location outdoor scenery of New Zealand but Cleveland area viewers need to use Netflix streaming to see it in its HD glory.
Come on 55, act like a real station for a change.

TWC must've done something. Tonight as I watch WWE AM RAW on USAHD I noticed the picture is not as vomit inducing as it used to be. The posterizing on dark scenes is gone and the blocking/breakup is not as prevalent as it used to be.

It used to be worse than other channels, now it appears to be on the same level as the other channels. The bright/flashy intros look decent now.

Why can't WBNX, channel 55 carry its syndicated shows in HD ala LEGEND OF THE SEEKER.
Seeker is one of the best looking shows on HD with all that on location outdoor scenery of New Zealand but Cleveland area viewers need to use Netflix streaming to see it in its HD glory.
Come on 55, act like a real station for a change.

Once more, with feeling:

Local TV stations can't record HD syndication on existing equipment. They have to buy new stuff - I think we're talking tens of thousands of dollars worth. Some stations have this equipment, some don't. I believe WBNX is in the process of acquiring it, or will at some point fairly soon.

You can't just go down to Best Buy and get consumer recording equipment. The bandwidth taken by HD at the station level is MUCH larger, and the servers are priced appropriately. It's not like using a consumer DVR.

I'm sure insulting them won't get that equipment installed any quicker. :D

Just be happy that Legend Of The Seeker is shown in 4:3. The Office is even worse on WBNX because it's windowbox(see signature). I wish they would show that in 4:3, if they're not gonna do HD.

are a lot of people still getting this ?

I am having a big time problem at night.. One minute I get the HD channel..then I switch to something else during commercial and come back to it and its " Not Available"..

This is really getting me upset. I would rather have less channels but ones that are available all the time then more channels but when I switch away I can't get back to them.

Last night was watching Shooter on TNT I think..then wanted to switch over to ESPN News in HD...and it first was available and then not for the next hour when I would switch over during commericials of the movie.....

this is BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To me the bigger travesty is WOIO/WUAB (and I believe WJW too because when they repeat their news at 1:00AM it's not in HD). These are big network affiliates, not a CW affiliate like WBNX. By the way, does anybody know how successful WBNX is? Without local news, I've always wondered how it does.

I think The Office is letterboxed because that's the way NBC distributes it.

WOIO and WUAB are the bigger jokes. WBNX has the least paid programming hours/week of all six major network affiliates. WUAB has the most paid programming hours/week of the six network affiliates(excluding 23 and 67). WOIO is not far behind WUAB. WBNX as a WB station was among the top 10 WB affiliates in the nation. Syndicated programming on WBNX has also rated higher than evening and late night newscasts on WOIO and WUAB.

People would rather watch George Lopez than 19 Action News. I 100% totally agree with those people. ;)

Nineteen Action News isn't really NEWS, it is Chinese torture.
JJK

To me the bigger travesty is WOIO/WUAB (and I believe WJW too because when they repeat their news at 1:00AM it's not in HD). These are big network affiliates, not a CW affiliate like WBNX. By the way, does anybody know how successful WBNX is? Without local news, I've always wondered how it does.

I think The Office is letterboxed because that's the way NBC distributes it.

The Syndicated version of the Office is available in HD but it's up to the affiliate to carry it.

I thought you might appreciate this You Tube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt1tEPeKXQU

I thought you might appreciate this You Tube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt1tEPeKXQU

First bird is a Blue and Gold Macaw. I have one. Second is a Black Palm Cockatoo. And the third is a Rose Breasted Cockatoo (Galah), common as pigeons in Australia.

And no matter how hard I try I can't even remotely come up with anything to keep us on target concerning local television and TWC.:D

I did enjoy the video. Thanks Michael.;)

On or after December 15, 2009:

NBA TV will be added to the Digital Basic Tier. NBA TV HD will be available to customers who subscribe to either Digital Basic Tier or Sports Tier. Tennis Channel HD, College Sports TV and NHL Network HD will be available to customers who subscribe to the Sports Tier.

Who gives a flying .... The 5 people who subscribe to the ripoff sports tier get 3 HD channels.

I'd like to know what happened to the other stuff TWC was supposed to add? I was looking forward to Fuse HD and IFC HD. Plus I'd like to see the Viacom suite of channels, but as of now no TWC system has it.

Oh well, I guess this is to be expected. Now that all the good, in demand channels have been added, it's not as exciting anymore.

Who gives a flying .... The 5 people who subscribe to the ripoff sports tier get 3 HD channels.

I'd like to know what happened to the other stuff TWC was supposed to add? I was looking forward to Fuse HD and IFC HD. Plus I'd like to see the Viacom suite of channels, but as of now no TWC system has it.

Oh well, I guess this is to be expected. Now that all the good, in demand channels have been added, it's not as exciting anymore.
Happy Thanksgiving nickdawg. This is your own personal turkey of a HD gift.

I'm sure that many people who subscribe to the NHL are thrilled to get the games in HD. And its absolutely correct that TW provide it since On Demand makes it available at no additional cost.

Let me ask you and everybody else a question. Best Buy is having a Black Friday sale on TiVo. $99 with purchase of a HD tv or $199 for a TiVo HD alone. This is $50 less then what I last paid for it. Am I eligible for this price? I think I am. I'm going down there tomorrow.

IF I pull this off my total cost for the TiVo HD and 1 TB hard drive down to a whopping cost of fifty eight cents.

Also I want to mention that TiVo is trying to bring us On Demand. Don't know when this will happen. But I know that's a big deal for many people.

Yeah, I really don't have a problem with the NHL. Considering people spend over $100 for the NHL sports package they should get the HD version. But the Tennis Channel? Is this a joke? We don't have SPIKETV, WGN HD. But the Tennis Channel? :mad:

Does Best Buy have some kind of price match thing? If you already bought the Tivo I get the feeling you're SOL. :(

See, I'll bet that Tito that does VOD will be the series 4. Since this stupid tuning adapter thing for SDV is bad enough, I don't see how they would be able to pull VOD. Sounds like a disaster.

Does Best Buy have some kind of price match thing? If you already bought the Tivo I get the feeling you're SOL. :(


Turns out I am SOL on this deal. According to Best Buy's Price Match Policy Exempt Items:

Items that are limited-quantity, out of stock, open-box, clearance, Outlet Center, refurbished/used, and items for sale Thanksgiving day through the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

It's OK though I did save 50.00 since they had dropped the price already.

As far as On Demand goes, it may or may not happen. I'm hearing this was discussed a while back and no forward progress has been made. Still we haven't received an update for sometime so we are about due. It could be in the next update and may have nothing to do with the tuner adapter. I really don't care myself, I never use the feature anyway.

Nothing to be thankful for here in Amherst. Still waiting Time Warner!

Nothing to be thankful for here in Amherst. Still waiting Time Warner!

I feel for you. I don't understand what's taking them so long at this point. I guessed mid November, looks like December now for sure.:(

I got a Thanksgiving Day present as well. My Tuning Adapter died... got the dreaded "8 flashes" of death. A buddy of mine just had his die last week. Anyone know if I can revive it with a "hit" from the customer service? Or will it take a truck roll and swap out? If so, this will be box #3... too bad because this one has been rock solid for about 2 months...

I got a Thanksgiving Day present as well. My Tuning Adapter died... got the dreaded "8 flashes" of death. A buddy of mine just had his die last week. Anyone know if I can revive it with a "hit" from the customer service? Or will it take a truck roll and swap out? If so, this will be box #3... too bad because this one has been rock solid for about 2 months...

I've had the 8 flashes and a pause probably at least 6 times. It does mean that the box is bricked but it is not a kiss of death.

Call customer service. They will moe then likely connect you with cable card services. They will then send you two hits and then you will see the light stop flashing. Sometimes it goes right to a steady green light but most times I had to push the on button and then you have a steady green light. If you go o live tv you should see an acquiring channels message.

I've even had this fixed by a regular CSR. A truck roll is definitely not necessary.

I'm sorry if this is off topic let me apologize in advance. Many of you are use to seeing my signature saying "Proud Flock Leader of 10 Parrots." One of them died today and I have a couple of others that only have a few years left. I don't feel like having a count down. Everybody should know why hookbill is my nickname by now and if they are new they can ask.

Probably when my smaller birds pass I have at least 6 that are going to out live me.

So I'm a bit sad today but thought I would mention why I made the change after so many years.

Back to Time Warner. Hope you all have a good holiday.

Hook - sorry to hear about that.

In TWC news... digital cable seems to be having a lot of issues today, and Time Warner is apparently aware of it - but as usual, no real information is being provided. Does anyone have the lowdown on what's happening and when it might be fixed?

Hook - sorry to hear about that.

In TWC news... digital cable seems to be having a lot of issues today, and Time Warner is apparently aware of it - but as usual, no real information is being provided. Does anyone have the lowdown on what's happening and when it might be fixed?

What's it doing wrong? I haven't been looking at it today but what channels are having issues?

It appears (after only a cursory glance) that it's just the SDV channels.

It appears (after only a cursory glance) that it's just the SDV channels.


Well I took a glance at 3 SDV channels. 438 450 and 483. Didn't see any problems.

Everything is working fine here. But I did have all the channels out on Tuesday night, except for the analog channels.

SDV is locking up again in Cleveland :( Hopefully they fix this quickly!

Yeah it's been on and off all day. I'm getting tired of TWC!

Not a SDV channel but USAHD FXCKED UP at the very end of Monk tonight. I almost set the 8300HDC on fire and called TWC to cancel immediately. Right in the huge climax scene it went dark. Then it came back on for the crappy show at 10pm and the picture was still breaking up.

So it looks I'm gonna be watching Monk again tonight at 12. This time on the analog channel, since it's the only thing that actually works!! :mad: Looks like USA HD is going back on my banned channel list once Monk ends.

Not a SDV channel but USAHD FXCKED UP at the very end of Monk tonight. I almost set the 8300HDC on fire and called TWC to cancel immediately. Right in the huge climax scene it went dark. Then it came back on for the crappy show at 10pm and the picture was still breaking up.

So it looks I'm gonna be watching Monk again tonight at 12. This time on the analog channel, since it's the only thing that actually works!! :mad: Looks like USA HD is going back on my banned channel list once Monk ends.
As much as I hate to defend TW you can't say it was their fault. There are many things that can cause what you describe. Sunspots, something with USA HD and maybe even the SA 8300,:p

As much as I hate to defend TW you can't say it was their fault. There are many things that can cause what you describe. Sunspots, something with USA HD and maybe even the SA 8300,:p

It couldn't be. It's dark :p, and the problem continued into the next hour. Whateverthefthe10pmshowonUSAis also had the picture breaking up. An hour earlier I was watching WEWS, picture was acting up on that channel too. Funny thing is I had an antenna TV on WEWS at the same time, no problems there at all. Cable sucks!!

Just an FYI...

The 8 flashes of death problem on the tuning adapter corrected itself without a need to call TWC or a truckroll. I can only imagine why it happened, why it was corrected, or when it will happen again...

For those people living in North Ridgeville, Bay Village, Elyria, Amherst etc. I just had a tech swap out a box I was having trouble with. So I ask him when we were going to start to receive the new HD channels. He said they were originally told the end of October and now he has no idea when they will start.

I was watching the backyard brawl on ESPN2 HD non SDV channel and that had terrible breakups as did the SDV channels

FSN Ohio apparently shows more than Cavs games in HD
Oklahoma State - Okalahoma is on right now but the guide data shows HD Promo

FSN Ohio apparently shows more than Cavs games in HD
Oklahoma State - Okalahoma is on right now but the guide data shows HD Promo

I just checked TiVo's guide at zap2it.com. It also says HD Promo.

Strange.

Has anyone else noticed that we haven't heard from Vchat20? I went back page by page and he hasn't posted in a month.

Last post he made had to do with QAM line up. Just kind of odd....

Yeah, somehow AVSforum's email updates haven't been keeping me posted on this thread until I happened to pop in today.

But in addition that I have finally cut off all ties to Time Warner due to them pulling a fast one in the billing department. So we're in the middle of a transition and moving to CenturyLink (ex-Embarq which was ex-Sprint) for phone+DSL (Can get 10mbit/896k service for around the same cost as Time Warner's 7mb/512k bundled) and once the money is available to put in a deposit we'll be bundling Dish service through them as well.

So at this point in time as far as TV is concerned Time Warner has come out and disconnect the cable completely (no basic or Clear QAM channels). Thankfully my antenna situation is good enough now I can cleanly get 21, 23, 27, 33, and 45 and what shows not on the locals I just torrent and play back through my softmodded Wii. This until the Dish situation comes around.

I'll still hang around though to poke fun at TWC-NEO customers holding out for them to get stuff fixed. Should be fun to spectate now at least. :p

Good. I'm glad you left. Not that you left here, that you left TW. Everybody should leave any cable, they all suck.

However I do not share your enthusiasm for that thieving Dish Network. I'll never forgive them for stealing TiVo's copyright DVR. Or at least part of it.

As long as it's not thievery from my pocket, I'm happy. ;) And they come out a bit cheaper than DirecTV anyway for the channel package we'd need (that and the dual-TV dvr is a plus. Can record all my shows and watch them in my bedroom later without needing another box). And I can buy the extra OTA module for the box for a total of 2 Sat tuners+2 OTA tuners. So not all that bad of an upgrade from Time Warner for less money at that.

Just to have the pure digital quality is worth it. Digital cable sucks pq wise next to satellite digital.

Point is more people should be putting the screws to cable. I'd have never had cable if it wasn't for the line of site issue. You'll be much happier I'm sure.

Oooooh, Dish Network. :( I had a bad enough time with D*, I'd never go sat again. Plus Dish Network's equipment looks like crap. If they use the box they show in the commercial, the thing looks 10 years old compared to the SA8300!! :p

Ideally, the best TV would be TV that is free. But that's not always practical. Like last night when I was pissed and wanted to cancel TWC about that problem at the end of Monk. Well if I did that, I wouldn't get to see the Monk finale. ;)

Think of the cable company as drug dealers. You can either quit, or you can keep feeding your addiction with an overpriced product. :p

Another fun evening with TW!!!! Good thing I have DirectTV as well! Unbelievable. Itjust keeps getting worse not better.

All SDV out including Cavs game!

I think we should all get November Free since TWC SDV is obviously an experiment!

Another fun evening with TW!!!! Good thing I have DirectTV as well! Unbelievable. Itjust keeps getting worse not better.

All SDV out including Cavs game!

I think we should all get November Free since TWC SDV is obviously an experiment!
Funny. I've had no problem with SDV at all this week.

Don't know if you're serious with the sdv experiment comment. Its really a long story but suffice to say that only applies to TW NEO. SDV seems to work well. In other areas.

Funny. I've had no problem with SDV at all this week.

Don't know if you're serious with the sdv experiment comment. Its really a long story but suffice to say that only applies to TW NEO. SDV seems to work well. In other areas.
No, I know. I have Friends in Rochester and it works quite well. Just seems to be an experiment here. Must have something to do with being a legacy Adelphia area. It is the only reasonable explanation. Hopefully they figure it out soon.

No, I know. I have Friends in Rochester and it works quite well. Just seems to be an experiment here. Must have something to do with being a legacy Adelphia area. It is the only reasonable explanation. Hopefully they figure it out soon.
It's so bad this time that the Time warner number is ringing busy!

It's so bad this time that the Time warner number is ringing busy!
Hmmm. It seems to happen frequently during holiday weekends.

Rochester has had SDV for quite some time. And you're right about it being an Adelphia hangover. Combine that and ex Comcast and you end up with what you're experiencing. We had a similar thing happened around Independence Day. Some people had no problems others did. Hope it stays away from my house.

I haven't had any SDV problems lately. :p I've just had problems with linear channels like USAHD and even WEWHD last night.

I'm in University Heights, OH. Time Warner ... Most of the HD channels have been coming and going for the past few weeks. Luckily I made it through the Cav's game and it froze up during the interviews. I think the channels above 436 are usually blacking out and I get a notice that "This channel is currently not available". What the heck is going on?

Oh..and why don't we just get through an evening of TV before we add features like "Watching the show from the beginning"

I'm in University Heights, OH. Time Warner ... Most of the HD channels have been coming and going for the past few weeks. Luckily I made it through the Cav's game and it froze up during the interviews. I think the channels above 436 are usually blacking out and I get a notice that "This channel is currently not available". What the heck is going on?


I'm not going to go into detail on this because its well documented in this thread but the readers digest version is they are having issues in certain areas with Switched Digital Video in certain areas. I'm not suggesting you read the entire thread but take a glance back a few pages and you should have an idea of what the issue is.

Thanks...I haven't been on here for a while and assumed it's already been hashed over..

Sunspots are very low or non existant these days.
I had the same problem with Monk also a movie recorded overnight on a SDV channel.
Seemed to clear up yesterday.

Time Warner is messing around in the Elyria area again. No ESPN HD, no ESPN2 HD, no TNT HD, no TBSHD since 3 o'clock.
Not only that we don't get the 36 HD channels that the rest of northeast Ohio is getting, we just lost our more.

Good. I'm glad you left. Not that you left here, that you left TW. Everybody should leave any cable, they all suck.

However I do not share your enthusiasm for that thieving Dish Network. I'll never forgive them for stealing TiVo's copyright DVR. Or at least part of it.

That's a matter of opinion. Just because some slick lawyers got a judge to rule in their favor does not make it a fact. If those lawyers were around at the turn of the (last) century Ford would have been suing General Motors for making automobiles.

Did Tivo have a product on the market in 1999? Dish Network had the Dishplayer, the first device that recorded digital TV onto a hard drive for later playback or for pausing live TV. Tivo's devices recorded analog TV signals, digitizing them for recording onto a hard drive. Dish Network's DVR's takes an already digital medium and stores it on a hard drive. Once on a hard drive the "trick plays" are the same.

If you are really interested in the case, I can provide a link to the DBS forum where the matters in the case are being discussed.

Sunspots are very low or non existant these days.
I had the same problem with Monk also a movie recorded overnight on a SDV channel.
Seemed to clear up yesterday.
Sun Spots would also affect all delivery systems, satellite, cable and OTA.

I'm sorry if this is off topic let me apologize in advance. Many of you are use to seeing my signature saying "Proud Flock Leader of 10 Parrots." One of them died today and I have a couple of others that only have a few years left. I don't feel like having a count down. Everybody should know why hookbill is my nickname by now and if they are new they can ask.

Probably when my smaller birds pass I have at least 6 that are going to out live me.

So I'm a bit sad today but thought I would mention why I made the change after so many years.

Back to Time Warner. Hope you all have a good holiday.
You have my sympathies. I know what you are going through. I just lost 2 of my cats one day apart, both dying at home. One was unexpected, both were 13 years old. At least you still have the rest of the flock. I've been giving the rest of my cats more attention since the passing of their "brother & sister".

And just to get TW into the message, do they carry Animal Planet HD yet?

And just to get TW into the message, do they carry Animal Planet HD yet?

As a matter of fact Animal Planet is in HD. And thanks.

Somewhere in Northeast Ohio there is a shark. And TWC is jumping over it. ;) Now I'm having more problems with non SDV channels than SDV channels. On Friday USAHD went out around 10pm. I was watching the Monk marathon on Sunday, couldn't even make it through one episode without the picture freezing and breaking up. Looks like I will be viewing the Monk finale in windowbox analog. :p

Tonight on TBSHD at 12:30am, the screen just froze.

USA and TBS are both non SDV channels. So TWC is so pathetic they now are incapable of delivering linear SDV channels without problems? Has TWC gone so far in sucking that they're now turned inside out and down is up and up is down? SDV works and linear channels don't? And I see in the posts above other non SDV channels are not working in other areas too.

Is TWC so desperate to let us 'start over' a show that we cannot watch it live anymore?

Is TWC so desperate to let us 'start over' a show that we cannot watch it live anymore?

This surprises you? With Startover you can no longer FFW through commercials so the mere thought of forcing you into watching the Startover feeds makes them grin ear to ear.

And before anyone says I am reading too much into it, I will bet you my year's salary that SOME exec at TW has thought of this already and is thinking of some way to make it happen.

This surprises you? With Startover you can no longer FFW through commercials so the mere thought of forcing you into watching the Startover feeds makes them grin ear to ear.

And before anyone says I am reading too much into it, I will bet you my year's salary that SOME exec at TW has thought of this already and is thinking of some way to make it happen.

Even TiVo is getting to be more and more like big brother. They sent us a message saying that they intend to user even more of our viewing data for marketing purposes.

Funny you should mention the commercials. I volunteered to do surveys for TiVo from time to time (You may win 50,000.00 Yeah right) and in almost every one of those surveys the question comes up "What do you do when a commercial comes on?" Um, yeah, right I sit and watch it.

Actually since start over is exactly that why should you be able to ff through commercials? If you want to do that there's this thing called a DVR....for now anyway.;)

Hookbill, my condolences on the loss of one of your birds. It's as much a member of the family as anyone else.

We now return to your regularly scheduled programming, already in progress.

I don't get it. No audio on the Disney HD channel again. This has been going on for the past couple of months, it comes and goes. I had the service tech change out the box and rebooted countless times. Anybody have any ideas.

I don't get it. No audio on the Disney HD channel again. This has been going on for the past couple of months, it comes and goes. I had the service tech change out the box and rebooted countless times. Anybody have any ideas.

I'm kind of thinking this was part of my S3 dying but frequently I would lose audio for no apparent reason on almost any channel. The fix was simply jump back 30 seconds and that would eliminate the problem. This would require a DVR of course.

So I take it TWC isn't going to ass any more channels anytime soon(other than that sports crap)? I remember DUSE and IFC being promised back in October or November. I kinda looked forward to those channels. Also, I believe NYC is getting or has WGN HD. I don't see why TWC can't add those three now. Something to shut us up as we long for the Viacom suite. ;)

This surprises you? With Startover you can no longer FFW through commercials so the mere thought of forcing you into watching the Startover feeds makes them grin ear to ear.

And before anyone says I am reading too much into it, I will bet you my year's salary that SOME exec at TW has thought of this already and is thinking of some way to make it happen.

Actually what I meant by that is the channels that used to work seem to be more fncked up ever since Start Over began. TBS HD over the past few days acts worse than a SDV channel used to. I missed part of a Curb Your Enthusiasm because of freezing after HBO became Start Over.

But your thoughts don't surprise me at all. I wouldn't be surprised if one day that "network DVR" that got a cable company sued actually exists. I think the trade off with the copyright holders(media companies, networks) will be to disable fast forward. That way viewers have to watch the commercials and the networks still make money.

I don't get it. No audio on the Disney HD channel again. This has been going on for the past couple of months, it comes and goes. I had the service tech change out the box and rebooted countless times. Anybody have any ideas.

In Mentor, Over the Thanksgiving weekend, I had no sound on the ABC Family HD channel. It came back Sunday sometime.

Ray

So I take it TWC isn't going to ass any more channels anytime soon(other than that sports crap)? I remember DUSE and IFC being promised back in October or November. I kinda looked forward to those channels. Also, I believe NYC is getting or has WGN HD. I don't see why TWC can't add those three now. Something to shut us up as we long for the Viacom suite. ;)
You know there are people are where ticked when that "Sports Crap" wasn't added when they promised as well. They should be added moreso than Fuse(Do we really need a knock MTV in HD?), WGN(Great syndicated late 80's-early90's show's shown in 4:3 just like the original analog channel).

Most of the HD channels are off the air in Univeristy Hts. tonight..

Another week goes by and still nothing in Amherst (Elyria area). Hey Time Warner we are still waiting for our HD channels.
Checking our channel line on the Time Warner Cable website, we are 36 HD channels short of what's listed.

Another week goes by and still nothing in Amherst (Elyria area). Hey Time Warner we are still waiting for our HD channels.
Checking our channel line on the Time Warner Cable website, we are 36 HD channels short of what's listed.

You are old Comcast right? I would have thought that after we (Mentor, old Comcast) recived our HD that Elyria would be soon to follow. They are probably two radically different systems between Mentor and Elyria.

We feel your pain.

Ray

You are old Comcast right? I would have thought that after we (Mentor, old Comcast) recived our HD that Elyria would be soon to follow. They are probably two radically different systems between Mentor and Elyria.

We feel your pain.

Ray

I don't get either. We have had SDV for 2 month now, but they have not added the HD channels for some reason.
We are in a big area, which includes about about 8 cities, all hooked up to the same system (Old Comcast).
I talk to a Tech about 2 months ago and they were told then the end of October, talk to him again last week and now they have no date at all. I don't know what's going on with this.

Hey guys, been out of the loop for a while. What's the latest on new HD channels on TWC? I know they said they'd have 100 HD channels in NEO before year end and 5 per month but they had 4 or 5 months there without anything new so they were behind on that promise. Are there any more scheduled before year end? I searched and couldn't find any updated list. I don't think I've seen NHL Network HD, Tennis Channel HD or CBS College Sports HD arrive yet. They were on that list from back in September.

The more they keep adding the less reliable they are.

The more they keep adding the less reliable they are.

I guess it depends on where you are...been very reliable in Twinsburg since July or so. No real issues since they fixed the initial issues with the unavailable messages. At any rate, I was just looking for what they might have planned, not if they should or shouldn't add them. :p

I guess it depends on where you are...been very reliable in Twinsburg since July or so. No real issues since they fixed the initial issues with the unavailable messages. At any rate, I was just looking for what they might have planned, not if they should or shouldn't add them. :p

Corrrect. I'm not that far from Twinsberg and the last real huge problem we had was in July. We have been fortunate.

However in that same time span I've had are least 4 iissues with my tuner adapter. To TW's credit their CSRs are now better trained on how to fix these issues. Still it is a hassle Amanda. An tame an hour on the phone to fix.

We just have a effed up system. It needs a total overhaul.

Corrrect. I'm not that far from Twinsberg and the last real huge problem we had was in July. We have been fortunate.

However in that same time span I've had are least 4 iissues with my tuner adapter. To TW's credit their CSRs are now better trained on how to fix these issues. Still it is a hassle Amanda. An tame an hour on the phone to fix.

We just have a effed up system. It needs a total overhaul.

three options they should do

1) add 8 more SDV qams for a total of 16 which most systems are now moving to

2) drop 10 analog and move sdv hd to linear

3) swap 750MHz SA gear 1GHz SA line gear.

im on a 870MHz motorola system that had rebuild from 750MHz GI line gear to 870MHz motorola line gear also they have added some 1GHz nodes.

so we have 51HD non SDV but they plan on sdv when iguide a28 launches.

they are moving 5 analogs to digital

truTV
Style
CMT
Abc Family
Oxygen

and adding
USA HD
CNBC HD
BRAVO HD
SYFY HD
Sleuth
cnbc world

for a total of 55 HD non SDV

Woke up today with a bunch of Please Wait... and 0 guide data

Woke up today with a bunch of Please Wait... and 0 guide data

Well, at least they were polite about it and said please.:D

I haven't turned on my televisions yet but I'm not concerned. My guide data doesn't come out of TW so it shouldn't have any problem for me.

When I get a chance I'll look at the SA 8300 and get back to you.

Checked the SA 8300 all guide data working normal and it was tuned to an SDV channel. But don't forget there are 3 territories now for TWC NEO and we may not even be in the same territory.

No audio on the Disney HD channel again. This cable company is driving me crazy with it's non quality product. If I only could switch to satellite.

8 Hours later I did a box reboot. Clicked the guide button and my box froze

No audio on the Disney HD channel again. This cable company is driving me crazy with it's non quality product. If I only could switch to satellite.

yeah no kidding i'm coming for twc in cincy and i never had the problems that i do here. its not even funny. i'd ditch it but i don't know if the apt i live in will allow satellite. time warner in cleveland sucks big time.

yeah no kidding i'm coming for twc in cincy and i never had the problems that i do here. its not even funny. i'd ditch it but i don't know if the apt i live in will allow satellite. time warner in cleveland sucks big time.

I thought there was A Federal Law preventing landlords from preventing you from putting satellite in...? I could be wrong, but I remember something to that effect..

Information on Installing Satellite TV in condos, townhomes, and rental property:

As directed by Congress in section 207 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the Federal Communications Commission adopted the Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule concerning governmental and nongovernmental restrictions on viewers' ability to receive video programming signals from direct broadcast satellites ("DBS"), multichannel multipoint distribution (wireless cable) providers ("MMDS"), and television broadcast stations ("TVBS").

The rule is cited as 47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000 and has been in effect since October 14, 1996. It prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to- home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas. The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.

The rule applies to viewers who place video antennas on property that they own and that is within their exclusive use or control, including condominium owners and cooperative owners who have an area where they have exclusive use, such as a balcony or patio, in which to install the antenna. The rule applies to townhomes and manufactured homes, as well as to single family homes.

The rule allows local governments, community associations and landlords to enforce restrictions that do not impair, as well as restrictions needed for safety or historic preservation. In addition, under some circumstances, the availability of a central or common antenna can be used by a community association or landlord to restrict the installation of individual antennas. In addition, the rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium or cooperative owners. Therefore, restrictions on antennas installed in common areas are enforceable.

On November 20, 1998, the Commission amended the rule so that it will also apply to rental property where the renter has exclusive use, such as a balcony or patio. The effective date of the amended rule is January 22, 1999.

This fact sheet provides general answers to questions that may arise about the implementation of the rule. For further information or a copy of the rule, call the Federal Communications Commission at 888-CALLFCC (toll free) or (202) 418-7096.

Q: What types of antennas are covered by the rule?

A: The rule applies to the following types of video antennas:

(1) A "dish" antenna that is one meter (39.37") or less in diameter (or any size dish if located in Alaska) and is designed to receive direct broadcast satellite service, including direct-to-home satellite service.

(2) An antenna that is one meter or less in diameter or diagonal measurement and is designed to receive video programming services via MMDS (wireless cable). Such antennas may be mounted on "masts" to reach the height needed to establish line-of-sight contact with the transmitter. Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes.

(3) An antenna that is designed to receive local television broadcast signals. Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements.

Q: What types of restrictions are prohibited?

A: The rule prohibits restrictions that impair a viewer's ability to install, maintain, or use a video antenna. The rule applies to state or local laws or regulations, including zoning, land-use or building regulations, private covenants, homeowners' association rules, condominium or cooperative association restrictions, lease restrictions, or similar restrictions on property within the exclusive use or control of the antenna user where the user has an ownership or leasehold interest in the property. A restriction impairs if it: 1) unreasonably delays or prevents use of, 2) unreasonably increases the cost of, or 3) precludes a viewer from receiving an acceptable quality signal from, one of these antennas. The rule does not prohibit legitimate safety restrictions or restrictions designed to preserve designated or eligible historic or prehistoric properties, provided the restriction is no more burdensome than necessary to accomplish the safety or preservation purpose.

Q: What types of restrictions unreasonably delay or prevent viewers from using an antenna?

A: A local restriction that prohibits all antennas would prevent viewers from receiving signals, and is prohibited by the Commission's rule. Procedural requirements can also unreasonably delay installation, maintenance or use of an antenna covered by this rule. For example, local regulations that require a person to obtain a permit or approval prior to installation create unreasonable delay and are generally prohibited. Permits or prior approval necessary to serve a legitimate safety or historic preservation purpose may be permissible.

Q: What is an unreasonable expense?

A: Any requirement to pay a fee to the local authority for a permit to be allowed to install an antenna would be unreasonable because such permits are generally prohibited. It may also be unreasonable for a local government, community association or landlord to require a viewer to incur additional costs associated with installation. Things to consider in determining the reasonableness of any costs imposed include: (1) the cost of the equipment and services, and (2) whether there are similar requirements for comparable objects, such as air conditioning units or trash receptacles. For example, restrictions cannot require that relatively unobtrusive DBS antennas be screened by expensive landscaping. A requirement to paint an antenna so that it blends into the background against which it is mounted would likely be acceptable, provided it will not interfere with reception or impose unreasonable costs.

Q: What restrictions prevent a viewer from receiving an acceptable quality signal?

A: For antennas designed to receive analog signals, such as TVBS, a requirement that an antenna be located where reception would be impossible or substantially degraded is prohibited by the rule. However, a regulation requiring that antennas be placed where they are not visible from the street would be permissible if this placement does not prevent reception of an acceptable quality signal or impose unreasonable expense or delay. For example, if installing an antenna in the rear of the house costs significantly more than installation on the side of the house, then such a requirement would be prohibited. If, however, installation in the rear of the house does not impose unreasonable expense or delay or preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal, then the restriction is permissible and the viewer must comply.

The acceptable quality signal standard is different for devices designed to receive digital signals, such as DBS antennas, digital MMDS antennas and digital television ("DTV") antennas. For these antennas to receive an acceptable quality signal, a DBS antenna or other digital reception antenna covered by the rule must be installed where it has an unobstructed, direct view of the satellite or other device from which video programming service is received. Unlike analog antennas, digital antennas, even in the presence of sufficient over-the-air signal strength, will at times provide no picture or sound unless they are placed and oriented for optimal reception.

Q: Are all restrictions prohibited?

A: No, many restrictions are permitted. Clearly-defined, legitimate safety restrictions are permitted even if they impair installation, maintenance or use because they are necessary to protect public safety. Examples of valid safety restrictions include fire codes preventing people from installing antennas on fire escapes; restrictions requiring that a person not place an antenna within a certain distance from a power line; electrical code requirements to properly ground the antenna; and installation requirements that describe the proper method to secure an antenna. The safety reason for the restriction must be written in the text, preamble or legislative history of the restriction, or in a document that is readily available to antenna users, so that a person wanting to install an antenna knows what restrictions apply. Safety restrictions cannot discriminate between objects that are comparable in size and weight and pose the same or a similar safety risk as the antenna that is being restricted. The safety restriction also cannot impose a more burdensome requirement than is needed to ensure safety.

Restrictions necessary for historic preservation may also be permitted even if they impair installation, maintenance or use of the antenna. To qualify for this exemption, the property may be any prehistoric or historic district, site, building, structure or object included in, or eligible for inclusion on, the National Register of Historic Places. In addition, restrictions necessary for historic preservation must be no more burdensome than necessary to accomplish the historic preservation goal. They must also be imposed and enforced in a non-discriminatory manner, as compared to other modern structures that are comparable in size and weight and to which local regulation would normally apply.

Q: Whose antenna restrictions are prohibited?

A: The rule applies to restrictions imposed by local governments, including zoning, land-use or building regulations; by homeowner, townhome, condominium or cooperative association rules, including deed restrictions, covenants, by-laws and similar restrictions; and by manufactured housing (mobile home) park owners and landlords, including lease restrictions. The rule only applies to restrictions on property where the viewer has an ownership or leasehold interest and exclusive use or control.

Q: If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply to me?

A: The rule applies to viewers who live in a multiple dwelling unit building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the viewer has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna. "Exclusive use" means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and use to the exclusion of other residents. For example, your condominium or apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, and the rule applies to these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a condominium or apartment building. Restrictions on antennas installed in these common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule.

Q: Does the rule apply to condominiums or apartment buildings if the antenna is installed so that it hangs over or protrudes beyond the balcony railing or patio wall?

A: The rule does not prohibit restrictions on antennas installed beyond the balcony or patio of a condominium or apartment unit if such installation is in, on, or over a common area. An antenna that extends out beyond the balcony or patio is usually considered to be in a common area that is not within the scope of the rule. Therefore, in most cases the rule does not apply to a condominium or rental apartment unit unless the antenna is installed wholly within the exclusive use area, such as the balcony or patio.

Q: Does the fact that management or the association has the right to enter these areas mean that the resident does not have exclusive use?

A: No. The fact that the building management or the association may enter an area for the purpose of inspection and/or repair does not mean that the resident does not have exclusive use of that area. Likewise, if the landlord or association regulates other uses of the exclusive use area (e.g., banning grills on balconies), that does not affect the viewer's rights under the Commission's rule. This rule permits persons to install video antennas on property over which the person has either exclusive use or exclusive control. Note, too, that nothing in this rule changes the landlord's or association's right to regulate use of exclusive use areas for other purposes. For example, if the lease prohibits antennas and flags on balconies, only the prohibition of antennas is eliminated by this rule; flags would still be prohibited.

Q: Does the rule apply to residents of rental property?

A: Yes. The Commission recently amended the rule, and the effective date of the amendment was January 22, 1999. Renters may install video antennas within their leasehold, which means inside the dwelling or on outdoor areas that are part of the tenant's rented space and which are under the exclusive use or control of the tenant. Typically, for apartments, these areas include balconies, balcony railings, and terraces. For rented single family homes or manufactured homes which sit on rented property, these areas include the home itself and patios, yards, gardens or other similar areas. If renters do not have access to these outside areas, the tenant may install the video antenna inside the rental unit. Renters are not required to obtain the consent of the landlord prior to installing a video antenna in these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof or the exterior walls of an apartment building.

Q: Are there restrictions that may be placed on residents of rental property?

A: Yes. A restriction necessary to prevent damage to leased property may be reasonable. For example, tenants could be prohibited from drilling holes through exterior walls or through the roof. However, a restriction designed to prevent ordinary wear and tear (e.g., marks, scratches, and minor damage to carpets, walls and draperies) would likely not be reasonable.

In addition, rental property is subject to the same protection and exceptions to the rule as owned property. Thus, a landlord may impose other types of restrictions that do not impair installation, maintenance or use under the rule. The landlord may also impose restrictions necessary for safety or historic preservation.

Q: If I live in a condominium, cooperative, or other type of residence where certain areas have been designated as "common," do these rules apply to me?

A: No, not if the only place you can install an antenna is on a common area, such as a walkway, hallway, community garden, exterior wall or the roof. However, a resident of these types of buildings may install the video antenna on a balcony, deck, patio, or other area where the individual resident has exclusive use.

Q: If my association, building management, landlord, or property owner provides a central antenna for video programming, may I install an individual video antenna?

A: Generally, the availability of a central antenna may allow the association, landlord, property owner, or other management entity to restrict the installation of video antennas by individuals. Restrictions based on the availability of a central antenna will generally be permissible provided that: (1) the viewer receives the particular video programming service the viewer desires and could receive with an individual antenna (e.g., the viewer would be entitled to receive service from a specific DBS provider, not simply a DBS provider selected by the association); (2) the video reception in the viewer's home using the central antenna is as good as, or better than, than the quality the viewer could receive with an individual antenna; (3) the costs associated with the use of the central antenna are not greater than the costs of installation, maintenance and use of an individual antenna; and (4) the requirement to use the central antenna instead of an individual antenna does not unreasonably delay the viewer's ability to receive video programming.

Q: May the association, landlord, building management or property owner restrict the installation of an individual video antenna because a central antenna will be available in the future?

A: It is not the intent of the Commission to deter or unreasonably delay the installation of individual antennas because a central antenna may become available. However, viewers could be required to remove individual antennas once a central antenna is available if the cost of removal is paid by the landlord or association and the viewer is reimbursed for the value of the antenna. Further, an individual who wants video programming other than that available through the central antenna should not be unreasonably delayed in obtaining the desired programming either through modifications to the central antenna, installation of an additional central antenna, or by using an individual antenna.

Q: I live in a townhome community. Am I covered by the FCC rule?

A: Yes. If you own the whole townhouse, including the walls and the roof and the land under the building, then the rule applies just as it does for a single family home, and you may be able to put the antenna on the roof, the exterior wall, the backyard or any other place that is part of what you own. If the townhouse is a condominium, then the rule applies as it does for any other type of condominium, which means it applies only where you have an exclusive use area. If it is a condominium townhouse, you probably cannot use the roof or the exterior walls unless the condominium association gives you permission.

Q: I live in a condominium with a balcony, but I cannot receive a signal from the satellite because my balcony faces north. Can I use the roof?

A: No. The roof of a condominium is generally a common area, not an area reserved for an individual's exclusive use. If the roof is a common area, you may not use it unless the condominium association gives you permission.

Q: I live in a mobile home that I own but it is located in a park where I rent the lot. Am I covered by the FCC rule?

A: Yes. The rule applies if you install the antenna anywhere on the mobile or manufactured home that is owned by you. The rule also applies to antennas installed on the lot or pad that you rent, as well as to other areas that are under your exclusive use and control. However, the rule does not apply if you want to install the antenna in a common area or other area outside of what you rent.

Q: I want an antenna to receive a distant television signal. Does the rule apply to me?

A: No. The rule does not apply to television antennas used to receive a distant signal.

Q: I want to install an antenna for radio, amateur radio or internet service. Does the rule apply to me?

A: No. The rule only applies to antennas used for video reception. Antennas for AM/FM radio, amateur ("ham") radio or internet are not covered by this rule.

Q: I'm a board member of a homeowners' association, and we want to revise our restrictions so that they will comply with the FCC rule. Do you have guidelines you can send me?

A: We do not have sample guidelines because every community is different. We can send you the rule and the first and second Report and Order and the Order on Reconsideration, which will give you general guidance. Some communities have written restrictions that provide a prioritized list of placement preferences so that residents can see where the association wants them to install the antenna. The residents should comply with the placement preferences provided the preferred placement does not impose unreasonable delay or expense or preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.

Q: What restrictions are permitted if the antenna must be on a very tall mast to get a signal?

A: If the mast is more than 12 feet above the roof line, the local government, community association or landlord may require you to apply for a permit for safety reasons. If you meet the safety requirements, the permit should be granted.

Q: Does the rule apply to commercial property or only residential property?

A: Nothing in Section 207 or the rule excludes antennas installed on commercial property. The rule applies to property used for commercial purposes in the same way it applies to residential property.

Q: What can a local government, association, or consumer do if there is a dispute over whether a particular restriction is valid?

A: Restrictions that impair installation, maintenance or use of the antennas covered by the rule are preempted (unenforceable) unless they are no more burdensome than necessary for the articulated legitimate safety purpose or for preservation of a designated or eligible historic site or district. If a viewer believes a restriction is preempted, but the local government, community association, or landlord disagrees, either the viewer or the restricting entity may file a Petition for Declaratory Ruling with the FCC or a court of competent jurisdiction. We encourage parties to attempt to resolve disputes prior to filing a petition. Often calling the FCC for information about how the rule works and applies in a particular situation can help to resolve the dispute. If a local government, community association, or landlord acknowledges that its restriction impairs and is preempted under the rule but can demonstrate "highly specialized or unusual" concerns, the restricting entity may apply to the Commission for a waiver of the rule.

Q: What is the procedure for filing a petition or requesting a waiver at the Commission?

A: Petitions for declaratory rulings and waivers must be served on all interested parties. For example, if a homeowners' association files a petition seeking a declaratory ruling that its restriction is not preempted and is seeking to enforce the restriction against a specific viewer, service must be made on that specific viewer. The homeowners' association will not be required to serve all other members of the association, but must provide reasonable, constructive notice of the proceeding to other residents whose interests may foreseeably be affected. This may be accomplished, for example, by placing notices in residents' mailboxes, by placing a notice on a community bulletin board, or by placing the notice in an association newsletter. If a local government seeks a declaratory ruling or a waiver from the Commission, the local government must take steps to afford reasonable, constructive notice to residents in its jurisdiction (e.g., by placing a notice in a local newspaper of general circulation). Finally, if a viewer files a petition or lawsuit challenging a local government's ordinance, an association's restriction, or a landlord's lease, the viewer must serve the local government, association or landlord, as appropriate.

All allegations of fact contained in petitions and related pleadings before the Commission must be supported by an affidavit signed by one or more persons who have actual knowledge of such facts. An original and two copies of all petitions and pleadings should be addressed to the Secretary, Federal Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20554, Attention: Cable Services Bureau.

Certificates of service and proof of constructive notice must be provided with a petition. In this regard, the petitioner should provide a copy of the notice and an explanation of where the notice was placed and how many people the notice might reasonably have reached.

Be sure to include the exact language of the restriction in question with the petition. General or hypothetical questions about the application or interpretation of the rule cannot be accepted as petitions.

Q: Can I continue to use my antenna while the petition or waiver request is pending?

A: Yes, unless the restriction being challenged or for which a waiver is sought is necessary for reasons of safety or historic preservation. Otherwise, the restriction cannot be enforced while the petition is pending.

Q: Who is responsible for showing that a restriction is enforceable?

A: When a conflict arises about whether a restriction is valid, the local government, community association, property owner, or management entity that is trying to enforce the restriction has the burden of proving that the restriction is valid. This means that no matter who questions the validity of the restriction, the burden will always be on the entity seeking to enforce the restriction to prove that the restriction is permitted under the rule or that it qualifies for a waiver.

Q: Can I be fined and required to remove my antenna immediately if the Commission determines that a restriction is valid?

A: You will have a minimum of 21 days to comply with an adverse ruling. If you remove your antenna during this period, in most cases you cannot be fined.

Q: Who do I call if my town, community association or landlord is enforcing an invalid restriction?

A: Call the Federal Communications Commission at (888) CALLFCC (888-225-5322), which is a toll-free number, or 202-418-7096, which is not toll-free. Some assistance may also be available from the direct broadcast satellite company, multichannel multipoint distribution service or television broadcast station whose service is desired.

http://www.myrateplan.com/sat/condos.php

MY NAME IS NOT BILL

(but you can call me tim misny) lol :D:D:D

Speaking of Cincinnati, I've seen several TWC Cincinnati ads here lately. One of them was for Start Over and they said "Cincinnati Bell can't do that".

wow thanks for the info guys. i didn't there were laws in satellites favor.

wow thanks for the info guys. i didn't there were laws in satellites favor.

Been that way for a while and a lot of people aren't aware. That would include landlords too.:)

Check these slots on or about December 10th -

396 - Tennis HD
397 - CBS College Sports HD
398 - NHL Net HD
399 - NBA HD
650 - Showtime HD On Demand

As always your actual mileage may vary. Check the online guide for details.

WEWS-HD is having problems. Or the Cable company is. Freezing and sound drop offs.

Thanks for the heads up on the new HD channels Cathode Kid. Unfortunately there is not one channel listed there that I care about. But it isn't all about me is it?;)

WEWS-HD is having problems. Or the Cable company is. Freezing and sound drop offs.

Thanks for the heads up on the new HD channels Cathode Kid. Unfortunately there is not one channel listed there that I care about. But it isn't all about me is it?;)

I noticed that too. It also happened on WOIO. It's strange because the fuzzy analog channel from TWC works perfectly, but the HD channel doesn't. The analog channel is fed by the HD channel. TWC defies stupidity.

I also had trouble with WEWS through OTA. But I think the wind has some effect on that.

Where's FUSE and IFC gonna be? I saw one of those legal notices mentioning that IFC and FUSE would be added. And Showtime VOD, f**k me. Where's HBO HD VOD?

More like:

396 - SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE: To receive this channel call customer care at 1-877-772-2253
397 - SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE: To receive this channel call customer care at 1-877-772-2253
398 - SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE: To receive this channel call customer care at 1-877-772-2253
399 - SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE: To receive this channel call customer care at 1-877-772-2253
650 - SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE: To receive this channel call customer care at 1-877-772-2253

;):rolleyes:

Where are FUSE and IFC going? I saw one of those legal notices that had those two channels listed for sometime this month.:confused:

The other cool thing I noticed is TWC is not adding those channels in the 400s. They're leaving channels 471-476, 477, 479, 493-496 empty. Hopefully one day the channels in the Viacom suite will occupy those channel numbers. At least we can dream!

Here it is:

Paper: Akron Beacon Journal Legal Notices
Date: December 11, 2009

Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, but in order to comply with applicable regulations, we must inform you when an agreement is about to expire. The following agreements are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services/stations in the near future.

E!, Style, Halogen, Encore, Food Network, Fox Reality, Fox Soccer, Fox Sports Espanol, Fuel, FX, Speed, Starz, TruTV, Lifetime, WOIO, WUAB, WBNX and WAOH.

From time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

On or after December 13, 2009:

ACCTV/PIN will be dropped from the Shopping Tier; Dealz TV will be added to the Shopping Tier.

On or after December 15, 2009:

NBA TV will be added to the Digital Basic Tier. NBA TV HD will be available to customers who subscribe to either Digital Basic Tier or Sports Tier. Tennis Channel HD, College Sports TV and NHL Network HD will be available to customers who subscribe to the Sports Tier.
Showtime Too HD will be available to customers who subscribe to Showtime Too, The Movie Channel HD will be available to customers who subscribe to The Movie Channel and Encore HD will be available to customers who subscribe to Encore. IFC HD and Fuse HD will be available to customers who subscribe to the Digital Basic Tier.

Check these slots on or about December 10th -

396 - Tennis HD
397 - CBS College Sports HD
398 - NHL Net HD
399 - NBA HD
650 - Showtime HD On Demand

As always your actual mileage may vary. Check the online guide for details.

Yea, everywhere but the Elyria area!

JUST REMEMBER ROLL OVER OR GET TOUGH

the fact that we might lose Lifetime oh my god.

CBS College Sports HD is the only one available without the greatest sports package ever(at least in Erie suburbs) until NBA TV drops down to digital basic.

The other cool thing I noticed is TWC is not adding those channels in the 400s. They're leaving channels 471-476, 477, 479, 493-496 empty. Hopefully one day the channels in the Viacom suite will occupy those channel numbers. At least we can dream!

Noticed a few days ago that the channel guide no longer groups HBOHD, SHOHD, etc. together in the 400s - they only show up in the 600 range. Mildly irritating... It used to be a weekly "thing" to head to the 400 section where the HD movie channels were all together, then scan through the next week's worth of programming for things I wanted to record. Now I have to go through each channel separately since I can't view all of them on the screen at once.

Boo.

Check these slots on or about December 10th -

396 - Tennis HD
397 - CBS College Sports HD
398 - NHL Net HD
399 - NBA HD
650 - Showtime HD On Demand

As always your actual mileage may vary. Check the online guide for details.
These where in the 1800's tonight except Showtime. At least down here in Canton.

Right near the end of watching tonight's dvr'd Nip/Tuck and the cable box decides to go ahead and update it self. Why couldn't it wait until I was done?

I notice some discrepancies from what Cathode Kid told us and the public announcement, i.e. Showtime On Demand HD v Showtime Too. Unless both are coming.

I'll put my money on Cathode Kid over a Time Warner announcement. He hasn't been wrong yet. Although he was a few days off on the last time there was suppose to be a change. Could the channels be right but not the date? Guess we will find out today. I haven't turned on a television yet.

Big problems former Adelphia area Summit County, many channels appear frozen at headend. Like they are on pause.
Dave

Big problems former Adelphia area Summit County, many channels appear frozen at headend. Like they are on pause.
Dave

I'm not that far from Summit County. Appears to be an issue with SDV. Other channels are coming in. I've got a grey screen on MLB HD. I no sooner type that and its back on.

Big problems former Adelphia area Summit County, many channels appear frozen at headend. Like they are on pause.
Dave

I've seen that before. It's strange, the channels are either frozen or have pixellation on them. And this happens on analog channels. So they must originate in digital and TWC converts them to analog.

Only odd thing I saw tonight was black screen and loud fuzz noise on WOIO analog during the 7pm hour.

And whatever that stupid "software upgrade" last night was, my box turned on today set to 480i with the picture stretched to fill the screen. Isn't that great, if someone was nice enough to help someone use the proper outputs TWC erased that. Got some phone calls to make. Dammit.

All I want for Christmas is for the Browns to be sold again. Maybe then quality network programming wouldn't be interrupted so a 10000th rate high school football team's losing game can be aired instead. I'm so sick of this s**t. One week WJWTF dumped Hose for the clowns. Tonight WKYSEE THE STUPIDITY is dumping NBC. This time the canceled shows are not listed anywhere as being rebroadcast. Am I to assume that tonights Office, 30 Rock and Community are just not gonna be shown?

I'm gonna have a bake sale so I can raise some money to give to WUAB. Next time BS rules mandate the Clowns be shown on local TV, I'll help WUAB buy the rights. Hell, it would probly be an improvement over that garbage called (NOT) My Network TV. :rolleyes:

TWC is really stupid
I receive CBS College Sports SD, but they tell me I have to pay for the HD channel.
I receive NBA TV HD, but they tell me I have to pay for the SD channel.

TWC is really stupid
I receive CBS College Sports SD, but they tell me I have to pay for the HD channel.
I receive NBA TV HD, but they tell me I have to pay for the SD channel.

If TWC was smart they would include the HD versions of the sports tier channels in the HDTV Tier. The HDTV Tier costs more than the sports tier. Plus adding a few new channels like CBS Sports and NHL Network would give more "bang" for the buck since they dropped HD Net and HD Net Movies. Only reason why I bother to jeep the HDTV Tier is Universal HD.

All I want for Christmas is for the Browns to be sold again. Maybe then quality network programming wouldn't be interrupted so a 10000th rate high school football team's losing game can be aired instead. I'm so sick of this s**t. One week WJWTF dumped Hose for the clowns. Tonight WKYSEE THE STUPIDITY is dumping NBC. This time the canceled shows are not listed anywhere as being rebroadcast. Am I to assume that tonights Office, 30 Rock and Community are just not gonna be shown?

I'm gonna have a bake sale so I can raise some money to give to WUAB. Next time BS rules mandate the Clowns be shown on local TV, I'll help WUAB buy the rights. Hell, it would probly be an improvement over that garbage called (NOT) My Network TV. :rolleyes:

Sorry Nickdawg

This was the best football game I have ever seen. Nothing on NBCs regular programming could have possibly beat out this showing of football rivally.

Ray

Well, I know most of you are Browns fans, and I am a steelers fan. I congratulate you on a victory. Not all steelers fans are arrogant.

Well, I know most of you are Browns fans, and I am a steelers fan. I congratulate you on a victory. Not all steelers fans are arrogant.

Well there you are nickdawg. The Brown's won against Pittsburgh. I'll bet WKYC won as well. This is a huge rivalry and I di t blame WKYC for turning down yNBC's rather pathetic line up for that game.

All I want for Christmas is for the Browns to be sold again. Maybe then quality network programming wouldn't be interrupted so a 10000th rate high school football team's losing game can be aired instead. I'm so sick of this s**t. One week WJWTF dumped Hose for the clowns. Tonight WKYSEE THE STUPIDITY is dumping NBC. This time the canceled shows are not listed anywhere as being rebroadcast. Am I to assume that tonights Office, 30 Rock and Community are just not gonna be shown?

I'm gonna have a bake sale so I can raise some money to give to WUAB. Next time BS rules mandate the Clowns be shown on local TV, I'll help WUAB buy the rights. Hell, it would probly be an improvement over that garbage called (NOT) My Network TV. :rolleyes:

I checked my programming guide and the 4 comedies are airing from 2-4 AM Saturday night/Sunday morning with Jay Leno airing tonight at 2 or 3 AM.

I checked my programming guide and the 4 comedies are airing from 2-4 AM Saturday night/Sunday morning with Jay Leno airing tonight at 2 or 3 AM.

Thanks. :D They must've changed that today. When I looked last night paid programming was listed. Even title search didn't have any results.

They've done that before. Over the summer I remember seeing a random L&O episode after SNL at 1AM. Of course now there's some 'Brian Night Show' crap on so everyone gets pushed into the wee hours. ;)

TWC is really stupid
I receive CBS College Sports SD, but they tell me I have to pay for the HD channel.
I receive NBA TV HD, but they tell me I have to pay for the SD channel.

This is TWC, where they say "unlike satellite" we don't make you pay twice for the same programming to get HD. :p

TWC Reached an Agreement With Viacom For More HD Stations

TWC Milwaukee should be getting these stations around January:

These are the channels listed under "New Services cannot be accessed without a Cable Card...." on the website.

But look at what else may be coming!!!!!

MTV HD, Comedy Central HD, Spike HD, BET HD, Nickelodeon HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD.

Comedy Central HD and Spike HD!!!!!!!

Maybe by or before January I would guess!!!!

Jack

Interesting news right here

All SDV channels are out again!

All SDV channels are out again!

Well not all but a few are down. Had another issue with my tuner adapter and the message at Twcable was that there were about 5 Channels were down.

I was put on hold waiting for the cable card department and fixed the tuner adapter myself.

Actually on Lakeside They are all out. This has become the norm on weekends. Seems to be a node capacity issue. Hoping TWC figures this out soon.

My Father-in-law has COX. He might be getting a new TV soon. What channel numbers are in clear QAM on COX? I know they have some because I was playing around with an SDTV in the waiting room while my car was being worked on. I scanned and found dozens of QAM channels but most were blank (too bad the scan function can't decipher between clear and encrypted QAM).

BTW the set I played around with was on a "lifeline basic" feed (only analog chs 2-13 come in, yet I was watching several clear QAM channels (the locals and a barker channel). What I need to know are the channel numbers. I figure it would be easier to manually add the known clear channels rather than deleting the encrypted ones after the fact.

The Cox HD's are:

WKYC + sub
WEWS
WJW
WOIO + sub
WVIZ + 3 subs
WUAB + sub

I'll have to re-scan to get the standards. They keep moving the #'s and the TV forgets them. My Samsung forgets my new favorite channels too!

It's the calm before the storm, lol. FUSE and IFC in HD are coming tomorrow. Or should I say today. :D

It's the calm before the storm, lol. FUSE and IFC in HD are coming tomorrow. Or should I say today. :D

Hey nickdawg will do a watch. I'll follow you. You stay up all night and I'll take over in the morning.

The Cox HD's are:

WKYC + sub
WEWS
WJW
WOIO + sub
WVIZ + 3 subs
WUAB + sub

I'll have to re-scan to get the standards. They keep moving the #'s and the TV forgets them. My Samsung forgets my new favorite channels too!
Thanks. I'm also interested in the standard def feeds. I know W35AX is one of them because I saw it on that waiting room TV. Are stations like WEAO and WGN also clear (since they are part of the analog "lifeline" basic package)?

So you say the QAM channel numbers move around? That's probably done to discourage people from using the clear QAM channels.

+Where the hell are my new channels? They added the channels tht **** that affects the two people in all of NE Ohio that pay for the ripoff tiers. Where's the other stuff they promised?

Although TBH I can't say Id want FUSE today. They had some kind of 24 hour Rihanna or someone BS on last night. BLECH!!

+Where the hell are my new channels? They added the channels tht **** that affects the two people in all of NE Ohio that pay for the ripoff tiers. Where's the other stuff they promised?

Although TBH I can't say Id want FUSE today. They had some kind of 24 hour Rihanna or someone BS on last night. BLECH!!
It's not Christmas yet nickdawg.

Have they added any of those channels yet? I'm so unconcerned I haven't even checked.

We don't have ANY of the new channels yet here in Columbus, Ohio.

and to think TW Mid Ohio was ahead of North East Ohio for the longest time

HOW TO GET TWC TO FIX YOUR PROBLEM.

(Note: I did not write this. Just copying it into here for everyone to see. Originally posted here »www.gearbits.com/archives/2005/1···war.html)

I've been a manager in the telecommunications industry for a long time and I know that each company works fairly similar in how it handles and tracks chronic issues. Therefore this works for TWC, or Comcast, or my own Verizon, or wherever.

Before we start, there is one very important thing that you should realize. Chances are that you already know it, but it is very important to be thinking about every moment because it is going to affect how you handle your problem. That fact is: "The customer rep and even his supervisor do not care if you are a TWC customer." In fact, if you are a chronic problem to them, they would actually appreciate if you would take your business somewhere else. Therefore, the emptiest threat you can give them is to say you will cancel if they don't fix the problem.

This means you need to change your stance from "I'm going to leave if you don't fix this" to "I'm going to make your life hell if you don't fix this." Because everyone on the customer contact side, from the customer reps all the way to the field techs and their respective bosses don't care if you leave TWC, but they most certainly do care if you make their jobs harder.

The way you do this is with what we refer to in my company as the "trouble in 30 metric". Simply put, if a customer calls back in and has a new repair ticket created within thirty days of the last ticket, it is considered an unresolved trouble and goes on this report. If you call back three weeks later with the problem still occuring, it goes on that report again. However, the first time you wait 31 days since your last trouble ticket, you are resetting the counter to zero and it is as if all those chronic calls before this one never happened. Multiple troubles in 30 are a low-level field tech manager's worst nightmare. You taking your business somewhere else isn't their worst-case scenario - getting a call from a vice president asking why the manager's techs are too incompetent to fix a problem that has been referred out 20 times in the last 9 months most definitely is.

To this end, you will start getting a supervisor's attention right around the 4th or 5th repeat ticket. It is about then they start getting a little bit antsy about the status of your problem and how it is looking to the higher ups. Remember... the boss of that manager doesn't care about the nature of your problem, he cares about the numbers. He isn't seeing what your issue is, all he is seeing is a set of numbers telling him that your house has had 10 visits in 6 months (and from the customer rep all the way down to the field tech, the average dispatched trouble ticket costs the company between 100 and 150 dollars.) After enough troubles in 30, you are going to get the attention of someone that first line manager definitely doesn't want the attention of. Because of this, they are going to start using tactics to derail that trouble in 30. They will start using ******** lines like "we have tried something new but it may take a while to get full effect, if you are still having problems in 5 weeks, call us back." or "Here's my personal number, call me next time you are having a problem rather than calling customer service." The second one in particular sounds very nice, but the truth is that all the manager is trying to do is prevent any more escalation of that trouble in 30 and 9 times out of 10, I'd be willing to bet you that manager will invariably stop returning your calls after the 30 days is over and the situation has been defused.

Like any other job, you have your good employees and your bad employees. But I have always been struck by the number of really bad employees in TWC. I had a chronic problem involving my cable and internet going out at night that they would not deal with. Their maintainer techs which are allegedly the best and brightest, suffer from a crisis-level lack of education in their field. TWC does not feel the need to actually teach them the science behind what it is that they do. More than once I had to explain to the tech how heat affects the physics of copper (something incredibly important in a desert that can have a 70 degree temperature difference between night and day, and something obviously valuable in understanding problems that occur at night and go away in the daytime).

This does not have the same effect on a customer rep, obviously. Customer reps are the riffraff of the industry, because they have no vested interest in the future of the company beyond their own desks. It's not like that just in TWC, it is like that everywhere. There's not much to be done about this, just see the customer rep as your gateway to getting to talk to someone that matters. Don't bother talking to their supervisors, that won't help much unless you get a considerable distance up the ladder. The most important person in the quest to get your problem fixed is a field tech supervisor, remember that- they are the ones that you can cause the most trouble for.

I'm experiencing some internet problems again. Twice in the last 18 hours I've had to reset my modem. Hope this isn't another issue, specially after reading the previous post. Though I doubt I will ever have 5 30 day waiting periods before my problem gets fixed.

FWIW I've got a managers phone number and I called him nearly a year and a half after he gave it to me. He picked up the phone, listen to what my issue was and promptly took care of it.

This is very troublesome. It looks like there could be some real problems with renewals with certain networks. Here's TW's emai:



You Can’t Get a 300% Raise, Why Should a TV Network?

You’ve probably heard the news by now. In a few short days, some of your favorite shows could disappear from your TV.

At Time Warner Cable, we’re not happy about this – and we know our customers aren’t happy about it either. But we want you to have the facts, and we want you to be prepared.

Even in today’s economy, some television networks are demanding massive price increases for their programming – up to 300% more than the current price we pay. And with our agreements with these networks running out at the end of December, some networks have threatened to pull the plug on their sports, entertainment – even family holiday specials – at midnight New Year’s Eve.



We know prices keep going up. We’ve had to announce a few price increases of our own and we know no one’s ever happy about that. But up to 300%? That’s going too far!

Please be assured that we will continue negotiating for a fair agreement that protects our customers’ pocketbooks. But if the TV networks follow through on their threats – we’re ready. You’ll find a helpful guide to alternative sources for programming at RollOverOrGetTough.com, so you’ll still be able to watch many popular shows even if a television network pulls the plug

Don’t let them hold your TV hostage. Go to RollOverOrGetTough.com now and let us know what you think.

Together, we just might make a difference in what America pays for TV.

Now here's a link from the Wall Street Journal. This is included with several others in the TW email:http://webreprints.djreprints.com/2330850712690.html

No House or 24? No FX? I could care less about the weather channel but notice Scripps is in there too. Does that mean no WEWS?


Here is the link TW included in the email. Am I the only one who got this??

http://www.rolloverorgettough.com/

I received the email today and something in the mail, maybe with my bill. I guess we have to dig the rabbit ears out, like we did when Direct TV first started.

I received the email today and something in the mail, maybe with my bill. I guess we have to dig the rabbit ears out, like we did when Direct TV first started.

That is not a solution for those of us who simply don't get FOX. They are still on VHF and I cannot get their signal at all. And where my television is rabbit ears do not work well.

See, what pisses me off about this is you don't hear anything about D* or E* having these issues. I think the problem is with TW, they are so cheap and watching the bottom line they squeak. They realize if they jack up rates to compensate people will fly to Satellite or any other alternative they can.

Sigh....Well, if necessary I'll do the BT thing for House and 24. One thing good about having TiVo is I can stream them right to my big screen to watch. Since I time shift everything anyway it wouldn't be a delay for me.

+1 for GET TOUGH

Hook,
You are right about Time Warner, profit before service.
We in the Elyria area are still about 40 HD channels less than you, with no word if we ever will get them. This is just icing on the cake for us.

Honestly, I think think this is all horse**** drama, just like the Viacom thing last year and just like the NFL Network thing. I highly doubt that the nation's second largest cable provider will remove FOX from the lineup in the nation's two largest TV markets(where TWC is the dominant cableco in NY and LA).

News Corp and Scripps are two major companies with stations in large markets, I honestly can't see a large network like ABC removed in Cleveland(WEWS) or Detroit(WXYZ).

And the cable networks. TWC is already the ass of jokes because they do not have NFL Network and just recently tossed out HD Net. Now they're not going to have F/X too?

I don't buy this "roll over or get tough" crap, it seems like more BS propaganda to make customers think cable "cares" about them. Only thing TWC cares about is not having to pay more money to content providers because it means less money in their pockets.

They should call this "Keep Your Customers OR Incite A Mass Exodus To Satellite". :D

See, what pisses me off about this is you don't hear anything about D* or E* having these issues.Believe me it happens to satellite too. It never hit close to home yet, but other markets have lost some of their locals on satellite until the parties settle on a "fair" price.

Anyone remember the "get FOX back on COX" campaign from about 6 or 7 years ago? The COX subs got a "free preview" of some of the Encore theme channels in place of FOX 8 back then. With Satellite they give you a reduced price until the locals are back to "full strength".

No MSO is immune (except for those who can get it all OTA).

Honestly, I think think this is all horse**** drama, just like the Viacom thing last year and just like the NFL Network thing. I highly doubt that the nation's second largest cable provider will remove FOX from the lineup in the nation's two largest TV markets(where TWC is the dominant cableco in NY and LA).

News Corp and Scripps are two major companies with stations in large markets, I honestly can't see a large network like ABC removed in Cleveland(WEWS) or Detroit(WXYZ).

And the cable networks. TWC is already the ass of jokes because they do not have NFL Network and just recently tossed out HD Net. Now they're not going to have F/X too?

I don't buy this "roll over or get tough" crap, it seems like more BS propaganda to make customers think cable "cares" about them. Only thing TWC cares about is not having to pay more money to content providers because it means less money in their pockets.

They should call this "Keep Your Customers OR Incite A Mass Exodus To Satellite". :D

Yeah, I'm well aware of the market thing and you're right about both L.A. and New York being dominated by TW. Still I think TW will drag this out to the last second.

And of course the roll over or get tough is just BS to make them look like the good guys. Same strategy they used when they dumped the NFL Network. You are aware we did have it when it was Adelphia right?

If they go through with it I hope your last sentence becomes reality. I'll bet D* and E* will start drooling.

any word on the december 15th hd additions??

any word on the december 15th hd additions??

I've rebooted the box every day, they still haven't been added yet.

Honestly, I think think this is all horse**** drama, just like the Viacom thing last year and just like the NFL Network thing. I highly doubt that the nation's second largest cable provider will remove FOX from the lineup in the nation's two largest TV markets(where TWC is the dominant cableco in NY and LA).

News Corp and Scripps are two major companies with stations in large markets, I honestly can't see a large network like ABC removed in Cleveland(WEWS) or Detroit(WXYZ).

Don't forget there are two points of view when it comes to this type of thing. TWC doesn't want to lose ABC, but ABC sure as hell doesn't want to alienate all of TWC's subscribers. The amount of money ABC would lose due to lost advertising is huge... We're only hearing the TWC side of the story since we're TWC customers, not ABC customers - imagine what would happen if ABC started running "We want to do something that will cost you more money" commercials.

In the end, it will probably work itself out. TWC will pay the networks a little more, our cable bills will go up a little bit, we'll complain about it, and nothing else will change. Same old story...

I'm experiencing some internet problems again. Twice in the last 18 hours I've had to reset my modem. Hope this isn't another issue, specially after reading the previous post. Though I doubt I will ever have 5 30 day waiting periods before my problem gets fixed.

FWIW I've got a managers phone number and I called him nearly a year and a half after he gave it to me. He picked up the phone, listen to what my issue was and promptly took care of it.
My internet went out at noontime Thursday and isn't back up yet. When I called they said there was no outage noted, so they scheduled a truck roll for this afternoon. I did note that one of the other wireless routers I can pick up from the house had no internet connection either (and I believe they are on RR also). Since TV is coming in just fine, it is more than likely some local hardware on a nearby pole.

My internet went out at noontime Thursday and isn't back up yet. When I called they said there was no outage noted, so they scheduled a truck roll for this afternoon. I did note that one of the other wireless routers I can pick up from the house had no internet connection either (and I believe they are on RR also). Since TV is coming in just fine, it is more than likely some local hardware on a nearby pole.

I'm assuming they had you reset your modem, right? Just double checking. If not unplug it and plug it back in.

I had another outage again last night. What's odd about it is my signal is good and all lights are flashing on the modem so data looks like it's traveling. Even my VoIP was still working so I don't get it.

Rebooting the modem did restore each time however.

Don't forget there are two points of view when it comes to this type of thing. TWC doesn't want to lose ABC, but ABC sure as hell doesn't want to alienate all of TWC's subscribers. The amount of money ABC would lose due to lost advertising is huge... We're only hearing the TWC side of the story since we're TWC customers, not ABC customers - imagine what would happen if ABC started running "We want to do something that will cost you more money" commercials.

In the end, it will probably work itself out. TWC will pay the networks a little more, our cable bills will go up a little bit, we'll complain about it, and nothing else will change. Same old story...In the case of the local stations, TWC (or any MSO) does not pay the networks anything. The MSO's pay the station owners (i.e. Scripps in the case of our local ABC affiliate). Since FOX sold WJW, we no longer have an O&O in the Cleveland Market (O&O's are the only case where an MSO pays a "network").

So when these squabbles happen the networks have their hands tied by the separate contracts they have with the station owners. BTW: You can thank Government interference for capping the number of stations an ownership group can hold, otherwise the big 4 could just buy up every affiliate in the largest markets and never have to loose eyeballs because some greedy ownership group pulls a station off an MSO.

In the case of the local stations, TWC (or any MSO) does not pay the networks anything. The MSO's pay the station owners (i.e. Scripps in the case of our local ABC affiliate). Since FOX sold WJW, we no longer have an O&O in the Cleveland Market (O&O's are the only case where an MSO pays a "network").

So when these squabbles happen the networks have their hands tied by the separate contracts they have with the station owners. BTW: You can thank Government interference for capping the number of stations an ownership group can hold, otherwise the big 4 could just buy up every affiliate in the largest markets and never have to loose eyeballs because some greedy ownership group pulls a station off an MSO.

Fox lost money last year. That's one of the reasons they sold WJW, they needed money.

I don't think what you are saying about limited ownership by stations is necessarily true. Case in point, CBS in Los Angeles owns both KCBS and KCAL. They even share the same news feed which quite frankly I find destroys the identity of the station (much the same as WUAB and WOIO do).

Maybe they changed the law governing how many stations the network can own in a city. I'm not certain but anytime you have a monopoly it's never a good thing.

From a Reuters story this goes much deeper than Fox locals:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BH2FX20091218?type=entertainmentNews

Negotiations between the two sides have been primarily held up by a disagreement over the value of Fox's free-to-air broadcast network. Fox is asking Time Warner Cable for around $1 a subscriber in payment for the retransmission rights to carry its network, according to a person familiar with the talks.

But there is a "very likely possibility that Time Warner Cable may choose to no longer carry Fox Broadcasting, Fox Cable and Fox regional sports programing," Fox said.

The negotiations do not include Fox's news channels or National Geographic channel in which it has a 50 percent stake.

Time Warner Cable is also in carriage negotiations with The Weather Channel and Scripps Networks Interactive Inc, which owns stations like the Food Network and HGTV.

any word on the december 15th hd additions??

Here are the new HD channels that I have found here in Solon:

396-Tennis Channel HD
397-CBS College Sports HD
398-NHL Network HD
399-NBA TV HD

Howdy neighbor. The only new channels I'm seeing is A NBA on 399. I rr'm in Bainbridge.

I'm seeing absolutely nothing. FUSE and IFC were supposed to be here on 12/15. The only thing different I've seen is something called "AFD" on 1911 while looking for new HD in the 1800s range.

ive had these since december 10th i believe
396-Tennis Channel HD
397-CBS College Sports HD
398-NHL Network HD
399-NBA TV HD

only nbatv works for me because im not a subscriber to the other ones blah blah..i just want the ifc, fuse and movie hd channels but of course there not in the guide yet..

The only thing different I've seen is something called "AFD" on 1911 while looking for new HD in the 1800s range.

That used to be on 911 before they started moving everything around. Based on the name ("Akron Fire Department" ??) and previous channel number, I'm guessing it's some sort of channel available for members of the area's emergency response services.

Howdy neighbor. The only new channels I'm seeing is A NBA on 399. I rr'm in Bainbridge.

I think you get the others if you get the Sports package (which I subscribe to).

You know I'm really kind of pissed off at Time Warner again. Basically I've had enough of SDV.

This SDV has really been such a pia to me I can't enjoy my TiVo equipment. Their Tuner Adapter needed resetting twice this past week, one up stairs and one down stairs. I went through regular customer service because the last time I had this happen I couldn't reach my contact and customer service was able to help me.

I called on Saturday night and got transferred to cable card assistance. But I was on hold so long I pressed the "leave a message" button. I'm still waiting on that call back. Fortunately I was able to fix it myself.

Yesterday I had the 8 flashes and a pause which meant the box is bricked. I can't fix that I need them to do that. The first person I talked to dumped me back into the que. The next person said, "Oh I don't know anything about the tuner adapters," put me on eternal hold, then she sent me to TiVo.:mad:

It took me 2 hours and 30 minutes to get 1 tuner adapter taken care of. Absolutely ridiculous. And none of the CSR's I spoke to even offered to try a simple hit, which is basically all it needs.

See most people with tuner adapters don't have this problem, but because we got such a screwed up system to start with I do.

Next time my TiVo's hard drive goes out, and hopefully that will be a few years, I'm going to call D* out again. Maybe by then they will have another deal for TiVo. No matter, I'm just fed up with cable be it Time Warner, Adelphia, whatever.

One last thing: I'm also having internet problems again. I've had to reset my modem 3 times yesterday and once so far today. When I called TW about that today there was a prerecorded message that said, "Good evening and thank you for calling Time Warner. We are having issues with Video, HSI, and phone at this time. If your calling for any of those issues are techs are working on it....."

WTF??? Good evening at 8:30 this morning? That means it was going on since last night and they still haven't fixed it. And isn't Video, HSI, and Phone everything they offer?

My God, these people are amazing. Appointment set for Monday for the internet.

Thanks for allowing me to rant.

I'm assuming they had you reset your modem, right? Just double checking. If not unplug it and plug it back in.

I had another outage again last night. What's odd about it is my signal is good and all lights are flashing on the modem so data looks like it's traveling. Even my VoIP was still working so I don't get it.

Rebooting the modem did restore each time however.
Well, it came up by itself mid-morning on Friday, but I didn't like the levels, especially the 54 dBmv uplink level which is very close to the limit. The cable tech arrived on time at 2 p.m. and spent the next 3-1/2 hours replacing the (underground) drop to the house and the feeder cable that runs around the back of the house to the other side of the house where the computer stuff resides. The underground drop only affected internet by 1-2 dB or so. (He did find a possible intermittent break under the sidewalk, though.) But the cable around the back of the house gave 16 dB of improvement! He showed me where the critters under the deck had done some significant eating of the outer sheath, shield and dielectric, baring the center conductor for a foot or so! Now the uplink is 38 dBmv (and the downlink improved from -8 dBmv to +8 dBmv) and, checking the logs on the cable modem, there have been no more errors reported since it went back in service yesterday (before, there were always a slew of intermittent alarms showing in the log.) So, I'm a happy camper!

Well, it came up by itself mid-morning on Friday, but I didn't like the levels, especially the 54 dBmv uplink level which is very close to the limit. The cable tech arrived on time at 2 p.m. and spent the next 3-1/2 hours replacing the (underground) drop to the house and the feeder cable that runs around the back of the house to the other side of the house where the computer stuff resides. The underground drop only affected internet by 1-2 dB or so. (He did find a possible intermittent break under the sidewalk, though.) But the cable around the back of the house gave 16 dB of improvement! He showed me where the critters under the deck had done some significant eating of the outer sheath, shield and dielectric, baring the center conductor for a foot or so! Now the uplink is 38 dBmv (and the downlink improved from -8 dBmv to +8 dBmv) and, checking the logs on the cable modem, there have been no more errors reported since it went back in service yesterday (before, there were always a slew of intermittent alarms showing in the log.) So, I'm a happy camper!

Just a few months ago they laid all brand new cable from the outside to the box for me (underground). So I don't know what my problem could be at this point. My signal looks good at 37 dBmv.

Who knows, it's TW. Glad for you though.

I stumbled across today...

650...Showtime On Demand in HD....

Not sure how long its been there..normally I just go to the Showtime HD channel..which I think is 641..and don't check out the other ones.

I checked the channel guide and HBO or Cinemax didn't have a HD on Demand..

WTF??? Good evening at 8:30 this morning? That means it was going on since last night and they still haven't fixed it.

Give them some slack on that outage message, Hookbill. They just moved their call center across town.

Give them some slack on that outage message, Hookbill. They just moved their call center across town.

So are you saying that when I called everything was fixed and they didn't have the message pulled?

I'll cut them a break on the message, but Video, HSI, and Phone...Come on man, there's nothing left after that.:p

Anyway my therapy work and my TW rage is over. Please don't get me started again.;)

TBH Hook, I would just dump TWC. I've had my problems with TWC, but not like that. Does this having to reset the 'extra box' ever mess up recordings? If it did, I would definitely dump them. It's BS to have that much unavailable and the blinking lights on that box. I don't care if it costs $20 or $120 a month, it's a ripoff if most of the channels don't work. I'd be looking to sell that Tivo on ebay or Craigslist. Or keep it on board and use it OTA.

And for the internet, again I suggest DSL. From all these comments I've read about TWC I honestly cannot imagine an internet service more pathetic than TWC. I can't even count how many times TWC has been out this year---completely out. But I can count AT&T on one hand.

Seriously, they said "good evening" at 8:30 in the morning? :confused: This company is even more piss poor pathetic than I thought.

And whoopee, they added Sowtime HD on demand. What a effing waste. Why does TWC keep adding these waste channels?

Seriously, they said "good evening" at 8:30 in the morning? :confused: This company is even more piss poor pathetic than I thought.

And whoopee, they added Sowtime HD on demand. What a effing waste. Why does TWC keep adding these waste channels?

Showtime has great shows on it. The Tudors, Dexter, Nurse Jackie. I like Californication too but wife vetos that one.

As far as your previous post goes, it is very aggravating but at this time of the year I don't watch a lot of SDV channels. And it hasn't cost me a single recording yet, it seems to happen during the day time and I catch it.

What bothers me about it is nobody gives a rational explanation of why it happens. They don't have a clue and don't care enough to investigate it. Then again why should they? TiVo customers are a vast minority of their customers.

I can't do OTA. No signal. If you saw where I lived you'd understand why. Satellite is a different story, I heard D* has launched a Satellite that's in the South East. I have trees that way too but maybe I could get a signal.

In any case unless the Series 4 doesn't require a tuner adapter I don't think I'll buy a replacement for my upstairs HD TiVo. I'll probably just stick a box on that. Matter of fact I want the 4250 for my wife because she doesn't even use the DVR.

I'll be keeping an eye on the CES in 2010 to see if there is any evidence of a Series 4 TiVo. We also hear that TiVo has been working on a way for us to get On Demand. That might be available for S3/HD TiVo but no ETA.

Like clockwork! It's Friday and Saturday. Time for a Time Warner SDV outage.
Really! At least they are admitting it now and not insisting on a truck roll. But it would be nice if they would fix it.

Like clockwork! It's Friday and Saturday. Time for a Time Warner SDV outage.
Really! At least they are admitting it now and not insisting on a truck roll. But it would be nice if they would fix it.

No SDV outage in my area. Watching MLBnet in HD.

Hook, it is a pure capacity isue. I am sure it is only effecting my node but Friday and Saturday are un-watchable. I can get the channels approximately 40% of the time on the weekends. It is so frustrating. Thank god I also have DirecTV but they need to get it right.

No doubt its your node. Hope you didn't think I didn't believe you, I was just passing along that things were OK here.

I was watching a recording of Stevens Seagall Lawman recorded off of A&E which isn't a SDV channel. It was missing about 5 minutes time in the middle of the recording. I just think that they are trying to run high tech stuff on a very old Adelphia system. I don't know what they can do all I know is that what they are doing ain't working.

I was watching a recording of Stevens Seagall Lawman recorded off of A&E which isn't a SDV channel. It was missing about 5 minutes time in the middle of the recording. I just think that they are trying to run high tech stuff on a very old Adelphia system. I don't know what they can do all I know is that what they are doing ain't working.

I've noticed that happens alot with the channels in the 441-444 range. Sometimes USAHD and TBSHD (both NOT SDV channels) just randomly freeze or go out during watching. If the picture freezes during a show, that time is subtracted from the recording. That's where the 5 minutes went. ;)

No problems for me tonight, I've been watching WKYC analog (channel 3) all evening. :p

493 Fuse HD
494 IFC HD
495 Encore HD
652 Showtime 2 HD
661 TMC HD

Future channel wise I find it really interesting that Fuse HD is located on channel 493, rather than closer to 470 where Palladia is. It seems like it would make more sense to have the music channels MTV, BET, VH1 and CMT together with Fuse, like the SD lineup. Something like:
471 MTVHD
472 VH1 HD
473 BET HD
474 CMT HD
475 Fuse HD

Then that leaves:
458 Nickelodeon HD
475 Comedy Central HD
477 SPIKE HD
479 TruTV HD

It seems like it would make more sense to have the music channels MTV, BET, VH1....

Why would you include MTV in a "music channels" category??? In the last ten or fifteen years, MTV has had less relation with modern music than Tchaikovsky.

:)

these channels are up for you nickdawg?

Remember the evening MTV signed on with "Video Killed The Radio Star"... and VJs... and the astronaut with the psychedelic moon flag... remember when Nickelodeon was commercial free...

Why would you include MTV in a "music channels" category??? In the last ten or fifteen years, MTV has had less relation with modern music than Tchaikovsky.

:)

Latest on TW-Fox channel dispute. 12/31 is coming fast.....

http://www.multichannel.com/article/441103-Fox_Looks_To_Keep_On_Time_Warner_Cable_Systems_In_Retrans_Di spute.php?nid=2226&source=title&rid=6240895

Fuse and IFC HD are up on my system this morning. N. Olmsted area.

They're also on here in Akron. Two very disappointing things so far: 1. FUSE HD show music videos in stretchovision. The one on right now is stretched letterbox. 2. F**king Lil' Wayne is on all damn day. BOO!!! :mad:

I'm getting a feeling that just like MTV, the best days of FUSE are in the past.

On a positive note, the usual stretchovision nightmare IFC has some anime movie on now in real HD. It's f**king awsum!!!

OMG, it's another stretchovision channel. Commercials came on, stretched. A Subway ad and a Progressive ad, that are available in HD, were shown stretched. Music videos, that could easily be expanded to full 16x9 are being shown in the moronic "History HD stretch" style.

I was looking forward to seeing their Wednesday specials about the Warped tour this summer. I guess instead of seeing the Warped tour in HD, I get an actual "warped" picture. ;)

They're also on here in Akron. Two very disappointing things so far: 1. FUSE HD show music videos in stretchovision. The one on right now is stretched letterbox. 2. F**king Lil' Wayne is on all damn day. BOO!!! :mad:

I'm getting a feeling that just like MTV, the best days of FUSE are in the past.

On a positive note, the usual stretchovision nightmare IFC has some anime movie on now in real HD. It's f**king awsum!!!

Nickdawg can you give me a listing of the new channels so I can call TiVo?

The only two you should be getting:

493 FUSE HD
494 IFC HD

These are subscription channels:
495 ENCORE HD
652 SHOWTIME 2 HD
661 TCM HD

Well TWC, don't keep us waiting. Other areas are getting the Viacom HD channels, time to update that Programming Notices page. ;)

First of the year, I think SPIKE TV and COMEDY CENTRAL in exchange for FOX is a good trade.

Latest on TW-Fox channel dispute. 12/31 is coming fast.....

http://www.multichannel.com/article/441103-Fox_Looks_To_Keep_On_Time_Warner_Cable_Systems_In_Retrans_Di spute.php?nid=2226&source=title&rid=6240895

oh c'mon this kinda crap is getting ridiculous.




Well TWC, don't keep us waiting. Other areas are getting the Viacom HD channels, time to update that Programming Notices page. ;)

First of the year, I think SPIKE TV and COMEDY CENTRAL in exchange for FOX is a good trade.


nickdawg what other twc areas have viacom?

Wisconsin and Southern California so far if I recall correctly

nickdawg what other twc areas have viacom?

NYC and LA have all the channels. Somewhere in Wisconsin also have some of the channels.

What the heck. I have the Time Warner box. I came home and turned on the box, watched the news for a few minutes then turned to TBS HD and got a prompt on the screen that asked me if I wanted to start this program over. I selected it and it started playing from the beginning. Freaking cool. I checked some other stations and it does it on some, not all, but some. REALLY cool feature and VERY VERY handy. Didn't even know this was coming. Nicely done.

Yes they've had that for quite some time now. I'm surprised you're just now seeing it.:)

where did starzhd go? gone since new channels were up

where did starzhd go? gone since new channels were up

Its still on 676 down here in canton.

wierd gone on all boxes here..reset all of them

Yes they've had that for quite some time now. I'm surprised you're just now seeing it.:)

This is the first time it has happened. But, this area really seems to get stuff WAY behind times. Stations take weeks to get when everyone else has them, etc. Just glad I got it, nice feature I used it twice today already.

This is the first time it has happened. But, this area really seems to get stuff WAY behind times. Stations take weeks to get when everyone else has them, etc. Just glad I got it, nice feature I used it twice today already.
And we're supposed to guess where "this area" is?? !!

Well I just noticed this morning that Fuse HD and IFC HD are finally lit up

And we're supposed to guess where "this area" is?? !!

NE Ohio, Macedonia

NE Ohio, Macedonia

You know, lately - by that I mean this year - we've been getting a lot of the new channels around the same time as other areas have gotten them....

It's too bad we are former Adelphia and run SARA. God I hate SARA. I know the other stuff isn't much better... but god, it looks like SARA was developed in the late 1980s.

And our on demand performance and selection sucks too. At my girlfriend's parents' house down in Akron, on-demand stuff starts almost immediately. Here, it sometimes takes up to a minute to start.. if it starts at all.

I'm on the Macedonia headend as well.

Oh, and my opinion of the start-over function: The best use for it is to get a digital signal on an otherwise analog station. For example, here, Comedy Central (207) is actually analog. Even though it's in the 200s, and part of the "digital basic package," it's really analog. So I will use the start-over function to get a slightly better picture on those channels.

It appears the game may be blacked out this Sunday. WTOL in Toledo will be showing the game. Has anybody been able to recieve WTOL from the Lakewood area and if so what type of antenna are you using?
Thanks.....

It appears the game may be blacked out this Sunday. WTOL in Toledo will be showing the game. Has anybody been able to recieve WTOL from the Lakewood area and if so what type of antenna are you using?
Thanks.....

Well, isn't that just my luck. The one time I actually want to watch a Browns game it gets blacked out. I'm a Raiders fan and was looking forward to seeing a Raider victory.

Well, isn't that just my luck. The one time I actually want to watch a Browns game it gets blacked out. I'm a Raiders fan and was looking forward to seeing a Raider victory.

haha, that took be by shock at first. Wanting to watch a Browns game from the guy who's just as irritated by Cleveland sports as me? :confused:

Then I got it, to watch the other guys win. That's the only reason why I'd watch the Clowns too. Pittsburgh really pissed me off a few weeks back. ;)

The NFL has given the Cleveland Browns untill Saturday at 1 pm to sell out the game to avoid a blackout.

The NFL has given the Cleveland Browns untill Saturday at 1 pm to sell out the game to avoid a blackout.

Good, that's what they did the last time and they managed to work out a deal.

I'd go to the game myself but I value my life and it will probably be too cold. You Browns fans are crazy.:D;)

I'll bet the Clowns are gonna eat the cost of the tickets again, just like last time.

Also, WTOL is a VHF station, slightly more power than WOIO. But still, if you're having trouble with WOIO on channel 10, the outlook for channel 11 isn't very good.

Merry Christmas from TW! They've added a zip code-specific list of channels they may take away on 1/1:
http://rolloverorgettough.com/home

It appears the game may be blacked out this Sunday. WTOL in Toledo will be showing the game. Has anybody been able to recieve WTOL from the Lakewood area and if so what type of antenna are you using?
Thanks.....

WTOL is 85+ miles from Lakewood. It is improbable that any antenna will be able to pick it up for you unless atmospheric conditions are favorable, which is highly doubtful at this time of year.

Hey can anyone in the Kent area or elsewhere tell me what the QAM mappings are for WEWS-HD and WJW-HD? I am doing a QAM scan on my new TV and I get all the locals except for 5 and 8. My direct channel for WKYC is 111-1 and for WOIO it's 108.

Any ideas?

I actually for the first time in 2 years don't have anything on my main TiVo that I really want to watch I recorded a few movies and rented Star Trek from Amazon.

Star Treck was a good movie but a major disappointment. I didn't expect Dolby 5.1 but the sound was PCM 48 and to top it off it was Letter boxed. And not the larger letter box, it was real small. I stretched it as much as I could and I still had at least 4 inches top and bottom of screen.

I'm going to take a look at Amazon again. I could have sworn that movie was suppose to be in HD and I know they do rent HD movies. Bummer.

I actually for the first time in 2 years don't have anything on my main TiVo that I really want to watch I recorded a few movies and rented Star Trek from Amazon.

Star Treck was a good movie but a major disappointment. I didn't expect Dolby 5.1 but the sound was PCM 48 and to top it off it was Letter boxed. And not the larger letter box, it was real small. I stretched it as much as I could and I still had at least 4 inches top and bottom of screen.

I'm going to take a look at Amazon again. I could have sworn that movie was suppose to be in HD and I know they do rent HD movies. Bummer.

I hope you didn't have to pay for that movie Hook. ;) I'm so disappointed TWC doesn't offer tiny Amazon movies on my 8300HD. :rolleyes:

But seriously, this is why I hate this move to "online" sources. I will not submit to this online crap like the Netflix streaming video. I've also heard rumors that even hulu wants to start charging. Never, I won't pay a penny for lower than broadcast TV quality video. What's passed off as "1080i HDTV" on TWC is already abysmal enough, thanks but no thanks to 380i video. :p

But the general public keeps eating this crap up so sadly I think picture quality will only get worse over time, not better. Even OTA is being destroyed now thanks to that "subchannel" BS.

I'd rather get a Bule Ray player. It's worth the trip to the video store for the better quality.

I hope you didn't have to pay for that movie Hook. ;) I'm so disappointed TWC doesn't offer tiny Amazon movies on my 8300HD. :rolleyes:

But seriously, this is why I hate this move to "online" sources. I will not submit to this online crap like the Netflix streaming video. I've also heard rumors that even hulu wants to start charging. Never, I won't pay a penny for lower than broadcast TV quality video. What's passed off as "1080i HDTV" on TWC is already abysmal enough, thanks but no thanks to 380i video. :p

But the general public keeps eating this crap up so sadly I think picture quality will only get worse over time, not better. Even OTA is being destroyed now thanks to that "subchannel" BS.

I'd rather get a Bule Ray player. It's worth the trip to the video store for the better quality.

I paid for it of course, you pay before you view. After I posted I found out that I can't purchase a HD movie on line. I can purchase HD television shows. Probably the same ones you get for free on Demand. Well, probably more as I can purchase whole series of those.

What I should have done was used my TiVo instead of the internet. On the TiVo there is a selection box if it's available in HD.

I share your concern about streaming which is why I wanted to download the movie as opposed to streaming it. I'm still not sure how that works because I haven't ever done it. I may try another movie tonight. I have several movies I've recorded since then.

I'm just so surprised that there is absolutely nothing worth watching during this time of the year. I ended up watching Animal Planet HD in real time. With commercials! That sucked.

I'm still going to give an HD movie a shot. If it sucks then I'll know for sure.

I paid for it of course, you pay before you view. After I posted I found out that I can't purchase a HD movie on line. I can purchase HD television shows. Probably the same ones you get for free on Demand. Well, probably more as I can purchase whole series of those.

What I should have done was used my TiVo instead of the internet. On the TiVo there is a selection box if it's available in HD.

I share your concern about streaming which is why I wanted to download the movie as opposed to streaming it. I'm still not sure how that works because I haven't ever done it. I may try another movie tonight. I have several movies I've recorded since then.

Meh. Downloading isn't much better. It's better in the sense that there isn't freezing or glitches caused by a live stream, but the PQ is only slightly better. I downloaded an entire season of Dexter on BT, the *x* is only slightly higher than SD broadcast but still significantly lower than 720p HDTV.

I'm just so surprised that there is absolutely nothing worth watching during this time of the year. I ended up watching Animal Planet HD in real time. With commercials! That sucked.

HA! I don't understand that. "OMG, there's commercials on the TV". 99.8% of what I watch is live with commercials. Doesn't bother me. Guess I'm just not one of those "Tivo people". ;):p The last time I recorded one of my shows I usually watch, because I wasn't home to watch it, I watched the commercials!! A. I didn't feel like constantly skipping crap and having to back up because I went too far past the commercials(that was also a pain in the ass back in VCR days). B. It just feels too rushed. I don't get the rush, I like to sit down and leisurely watch TV. :D

Meh. Downloading isn't much better. It's better in the sense that there isn't freezing or glitches caused by a live stream, but the PQ is only slightly better. I downloaded an entire season of Dexter on BT, the *x* is only slightly higher than SD broadcast but still significantly lower than 720p HDTV.



HA! I don't understand that. "OMG, there's commercials on the TV". 99.8% of what I watch is live with commercials. Doesn't bother me. Guess I'm just not one of those "Tivo people". ;):p The last time I recorded one of my shows I usually watch, because I wasn't home to watch it, I watched the commercials!! A. I didn't feel like constantly skipping crap and having to back up because I went too far past the commercials(that was also a pain in the ass back in VCR days). B. It just feels too rushed. I don't get the rush, I like to sit down and leisurely watch TV. :D
Why didn't you use your 30 second skip and tick so you don't skip too far past the commercials? Oh that's right. SA 8300 doesn't have that feature.

I think you're a little off on your percentage of people who watch commercials. Most people are not like you nickdawg. If they can avoid commercials they do. And I don't rush through a show. I pause when. I need to. Heck I even do that with live TV.

I'm just so surprised that there is absolutely nothing worth watching during this time of the year. I ended up watching Animal Planet HD in real time. With commercials! That sucked.

I know, this have been the most boring day ever. Not a damn thing on at all. All those HD channels, nothing to watch.

FYI, Shrek is on ABC. Wow, it's f**king stunning. It goes to prove that WEWS is the best PQ station in the Cleveland market. I haven't seen an animated movie this good on any other cable or broadcast channel.

I know, this have been the most boring day ever. Not a damn thing on at all. All those HD channels, nothing to watch.

FYI, Shrek is on ABC. Wow, it's f**king stunning. It goes to prove that WEWS is the best PQ station in the Cleveland market. I haven't seen an animated movie this good on any other cable or broadcast channel.

Doesn't WEWS broadcast HD shows at only 720p? That's how they come across on my TWC cable anyway. Their picture quality is a little softer than the 1080i stations.

Doesn't WEWS broadcast HD shows at only 720p? That's how they come across on my TWC cable anyway. Their picture quality is a little softer than the 1080i stations.

Many people feel that 720p is better then 1080i. You'd have to be a true videophile to tell the difference. I've had both 720p and 1080i native televisions. Its my opinion that the best looking show on television is CSI:Miami. The second best looking show is Lost. One is 1080i and the other is 720p.

Doesn't WEWS broadcast HD shows at only 720p? That's how they come across on my TWC cable anyway. Their picture quality is a little softer than the 1080i stations.

Yes, WEWS(like the ABC network) broadcasts in 720p. WEWS is also the only network affiliate in Cleveland to broadcast without subchannels, which greatly helps the picture quality.

As far as 720p vs. 1080i goes, I tend to prefer 720p. With 1080i, the conditions have to be just right for good results(higher bandwidth, no subchannels). Both of those usually don't happen. Take WOIO CBS as an example. The PQ on WOIO is terrible. CBS has a reputation of having excellent HD PQ, at least on their subchannel free O&O stations. Not in Cleveland tho, with that useless weather sub.

1080i also isn't better on cable. I'd be happier with networks like USA HD if they would broadcast native 720p. Because of cable's need to broadcast 3 or 4 channels per QAM and the use of SDV, cable channels in 1080i look far worse than 720p stations. Channels like the MLB Network look fantastic OTOH.

CSI: Miami would be a good looking HD show, as long as you're not watching it on WOIO. ;)

I actually for the first time in 2 years don't have anything on my main TiVo that I really want to watch I recorded a few movies and rented Star Trek from Amazon.

Star Treck was a good movie but a major disappointment. I didn't expect Dolby 5.1 but the sound was PCM 48 and to top it off it was Letter boxed. And not the larger letter box, it was real small. I stretched it as much as I could and I still had at least 4 inches top and bottom of screen.

I'm going to take a look at Amazon again. I could have sworn that movie was suppose to be in HD and I know they do rent HD movies. Bummer.
I rented it last night from Amazon via my Roku and it was in HD.

Good news for anyone who wants to wach the Browns tomorrow, I just saw on ABC news that the blackout isn't happening tomorrow. Guess they "ate" the loss and are giving the tickets away again. :D

I rented it last night from Amazon via my Roku and it was in HD.

Right you downloaded via Roku. I did it on the web.

I'm currently showing readings on my modem indicating Received Power level -1.4 dBmV and Transmit Power level 43.3 dBmV. The transmit power level looks OK but isn't that received level off?

I've got TWC coming out again tomorrow to look at it. I suspect I'll get a new modem again. The person I spoke with at TWC said she saw a problem with the modem. Apparently anything that Scientific Atlanta makes is a pos, which kind of amazes me since Cisco is the one that owns. them. This will be my third modem in a year.

nickdawg this does not need to be followed by a lecture on how great DSL works for you, it went out for me much more frequently then Cable ever did and it's a snails pace compared to the speed I get. I'll never have anything to do with the phone company again. I suspect that you live fairly close to the phone company and that's why you have excellent service. I'm no where near the phone company.

Off topic but I'm also thinking about dropping Vonage. I just don't use it enough to justify having it around, I think I might just go with my wireless provider.

WEWS is also the only network affiliate in Cleveland to broadcast without subchannels, which greatly helps the picture quality.

FOX affiliate WJW also broadcasts without subchannels.

All the NFL games are on here now:
www.channelsurfing.net

I'm currently showing readings on my modem indicating Received Power level -1.4 dBmV and Transmit Power level 43.3 dBmV. The transmit power level looks OK but isn't that received level off?


DOCSIS specs allow for a receive level of -15dbmv to +15dbmv. The upstream TX level will adjust itself accordingly during the initial ranging period as it boots up. It's possible to have good levels but a poor s/n ratio for other reasons such as ingress. If this is the case, it's likely not the fault of the modem but could be something in the RF plant. Do you have an aerial drop and are there a lot of squirrels around?

DOCSIS specs allow for a receive level of -15dbmv to +15dbmv. The upstream TX level will adjust itself accordingly during the initial ranging period as it boots up. It's possible to have good levels but a poor s/n ratio for other reasons such as ingress. If this is the case, it's likely not the fault of the modem but could be something in the RF plant. Do you have an aerial drop and are there a lot of squirrels around?

Lots of squirrels but the cable is underground as is our power cable. They ran new cable out there just this past Summer. CSR said she saw a problem with the modem. Is she looking at something different then what I see?

Lots of squirrels but the cable is underground as is our power cable. They ran new cable out there just this past Summer. CSR said she saw a problem with the modem. Is she looking at something different then what I see?

Typically the cable operator is able to read the real time signal level, SNR, BER, CPE mac address, signal flaps, uptime and some historical performance data. They can also see how other modems fed by the same CMTS blade are performing, which can help isolate issues between a modem and the CMTS. Between the DOCSIS data and other SNMP traps they can get a pretty good picture of what's going on.

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Just sayin. It's another option. Probly more reliable than TWC. But then again, what isn't?:rolleyes:

I noticed something strange with TWC, FOX News is coming through as 1080i. Ever since I reset the box for HD it's been doing 720p and 1080i(changing formats between stations). All the FOX networks like the ABC networks broadcast in 720p(and my box reflects that). But on 485, FNCHD is 1080i while FBNHD and F/XHD are 720p. Must be something TWC is doing, probly related to SDV.;):rolleyes::p

Fox News Channel HD - broadcasting 720p
Fox News Channel is a 24-hour general news service devoted to delivering fair and balanced coverage of the day's news events. Reaching more than 90 million homes, the network offers 18 hours of live programming weekdays, covering breaking news around the globe, as well as political, business and entertainment news. FNC is the most watched cable news channel in America and is home to a number of well-respected journalists including Brit Hume, Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith and Greta van Susteren. The network's signature opinion program, The O'Reilly Factor is one of the highest rated shows in cable news.
http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com)

Typically the cable operator is able to read the real time signal level, SNR, BER, CPE mac address, signal flaps, uptime and some historical performance data. They can also see how other modems fed by the same CMTS blade are performing, which can help isolate issues between a modem and the CMTS. Between the DOCSIS data and other SNMP traps they can get a pretty good picture of what's going on.

Well cable guy came out and really did what he could which is exactly what the guy previous to him did. Not much, just checked out the signal coming in, made sure everything was tightened up and declared he didn't know what the problem was. Understandably he said that unless they are here at the time of the outage it's tough to diagnose.

I told him all the things that had been done previously. He said best thing he could recommend for me is to log when I see it's down and if it still doing it in a couple of weeks then ask for a maintenance person to come out. Why this just doesn't happen anyway, I don't know but that's where I'm at with it now.

Hasn't gone out today. Only went out twice yesterday.

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Just sayin. It's another option. Probly more reliable than TWC. But then again, what isn't?:rolleyes:

Actually as cheap as you are nickdawg I'm surprised this isn't your choice. After all you have no need for any of this modern fancy high speed stuff so why even pay for DSL?:D:p

Actually as cheap as you are nickdawg I'm surprised this isn't your choice. After all you have no need for any of this modern fancy high speed stuff so why even pay for DSL?:D:p

I'd do anything to save a buck, but I won't do that. ;) I had dial up internet service until 2007, I'm never going back to that again. Plus since I download TV shows, that would be impossible. Instead of watching my Sowtime series now, I'd still be waiting for the download into next year.:(

And yes, as slow as it was, that dial up internet service was very reliable. Very rarely would it get bumped offline. Sounds better than TWC.

Here's the FOX site to counter TW's ridiculous Get Tough website:
http://www.keepfoxon.com/fox

Here's the FOX site to counter TW's ridiculous Get Tough website:
http://www.keepfoxon.com/fox

Whatever. We are at there mercy. At least I am. But I will fight back via BT. I won't miss any of my favorite FOX shows.

Of course that means for you nickdawg you'll have to BT American Idol. I know you'll hate missing the vote.:p

It appears that WEWS is not a problem at this point.

Whatever. We are at there mercy. At least I am. But I will fight back via BT. I won't miss any of my favorite FOX shows.

Of course that means for you nickdawg you'll have to BT American Idol. I know you'll hate missing the vote.:p

It appears that WEWS is not a problem at this point.

I have good luck with OTA + converter box, so I'm ready for WEWS or WJW to go away. If any series is starting on F/X I'd have to go to BT. I think Rescue Me and Sons of Anarchy are off of now. But I'd still be pissed to miss the other programming and movies on F/X. Oh, and the fact that I'm paying a buttload of money for a service lacking channels everyone else has. It's already bad enough we don't get HD Net or NLF Network, now F/X? How pathetic is TWC?

Butt at least we have Start Over. What a helpful feature, now I can "start over" all my favorite original programming on VH1, BET, TBS and TNT. You know how much I love those channels!! :rolleyes:

I told him all the things that had been done previously. He said best thing he could recommend for me is to log when I see it's down and if it still doing it in a couple of weeks then ask for a maintenance person to come out. Why this just doesn't happen anyway, I don't know but that's where I'm at with it now.

Hasn't gone out today. Only went out twice yesterday.

When it goes out, does the cable/sync light go out or start flashing, or does it remain on steady? This can help to identify whether the problem is between your modem and the CMTS or elsewhere.

When it goes out, does the cable/sync light go out or start flashing, or does it remain on steady? This can help to identify whether the problem is between your modem and the CMTS or elsewhere.

Cable/sync light states on. And the modem data lights are flashing. I explained all this to the cable guy. It hasn't gone out at all today.

Cable/sync light states on. And the modem data lights are flashing. I explained all this to the cable guy. It hasn't gone out at all today.

Then the issue seems to be pointing away from the outside plant. Does your computer connect directly via ethernet cable or via wireless? If you're connecting wirelessly, try using a wired connection when it happens in order to rule out any local RFI from other devices, including microwave ovens, wireless baby monitors/cameras, bluetooth headsets, even IPhones. I looked at an IPhone on a spectrum analyzer recently and I was astounded at the amount of broadband RFI it generates, including 2.4ghz junk. Personally I'm surprised that those things passed FCC type acceptance.

Then the issue seems to be pointing away from the outside plant. Does your computer connect directly via ethernet cable or via wireless? If you're connecting wirelessly, try using a wired connection when it happens in order to rule out any local RFI from other devices, including microwave ovens, wireless baby monitors/cameras, bluetooth headsets, even IPhones. I looked at an IPhone on a spectrum analyzer recently and I was astounded at the amount of broadband RFI it generates, including 2.4ghz junk. Personally I'm surprised that those things passed FCC type acceptance.
Interesting you mention iPhone. I have a Droid and I am connected by wifi. My wife uses a laptop also wireless. It went out tonight at 9:20 pm. Both of use were using our wireless devices.

But the other day it went out and both of us were on our computers which are wired to the network. So it happens either way, wired and wireless.

Any other ideas?

Interesting you mention iPhone. I have a Droid and I am connected by wifi. My wife uses a laptop also wireless. It went out tonight at 9:20 pm. Both of use were using our wireless devices.

But the other day it went out and both of us were on our computers which are wired to the network. So it happens either way, wired and wireless.

Any other ideas?

Last suggestion for the night before we get back to discussing HDTV. When it goes down, open up a command prompt and try running a traceroute to a known service, i.e. google -

tracert www.google.com

This will produce a list showing each hop that you take from your computer to google's server farm. Make note of where the trace dies (or the response time gets large). Try this a couple of times to different sites and see if you get high latency at the same point for each traceroute.

Any other ideas?

I've seen some weird stuff happen when neighbouring wireless networks step on each other... Depending on the situation, this can also break wired connections...

While your connection is working, run "ipconfig /all", "route print", and "arp -a" from both wired and wireless computers, then save the output of each to a file. I'd be interested to see any changes that show up when you run those commands the next time the connection dies.

AI've seen some weird stuff happen when neighbouring wireless networks step on each other... Depending on the situation, this can also break wired connections...

While your connection is working, run "ipconfig /all", "route printi.
and "arp -a" from both wired and wireless computers, then save the output of each to a file. I'd be interested to see any changes that show up when you run those commands the next time the connection dies.

I appreciate the suggestions. Since I run a mac those commands wont get me very far.

I'm just going to keep my log of outages and let TW fix it. Thanks for the suggestions.

Here's the FOX site to counter TW's ridiculous Get Tough website:
http://www.keepfoxon.com/fox

And another take on the subject, including speculation the networks may even end free OTA transmissions in the future.
http://www.newsnet5.com/money/22077465/detail.html?treets=nn5&tml=nn5_7am&ts=T&tmi=nn5_7am_1_06000112292009

And another take on the subject, including speculation the networks may even end free OTA transmissions in the future.
http://www.newsnet5.com/money/22077465/detail.html?treets=nn5&tml=nn5_7am&ts=T&tmi=nn5_7am_1_06000112292009

I just heard this on WEWS. A google came up with this for me:

http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/AP/story/1401463.html

It looks like they plan on squeezing us and showing commercials. Amazing!! Hopefully the FCC does something about this. Apparently there would be no network broadcast television. You would have to subscribe to something to get television.

Since I run a mac those commands wont get me very far.

Well, there's your problem!! You're using a mac!! lol ;):D :rolleyes:

I just heard this on WEWS. A google came up with this for me:

http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/AP/story/1401463.html

It looks like they plan on squeezing us and showing commercials. Amazing!! Hopefully the FCC does something about this. Apparently there would be no network broadcast television. You would have to subscribe to something to get television.

I heard that on WEWS too. What a load of crap. If I have to subscribe to cable or satellite as the only way to get TV, I think I'd rather just throw my TV away. F**k it.

Well, there's your problem!! You're using a mac!! lol ;):D :rolleyes:



I heard that on WEWS too. What a load of crap. If I have to subscribe to cable or satellite as the only way to get TV, I think I'd rather just throw my TV away. F**k it.
I'm starting to wonder if everyday you wake up their is a TWC employee standing on your kitchen table and taking a piss in your fruit loops.

Its been updated. I finally got around to calling them on Sunday.

Yepp. You thought right. The TWC guy and the Mac guy both piss in my fruit loops every morning. :p

Then there's the TiVo guy. The Vonage guy. WKYC. WOIO. I'm sure there's a bunch of others.

I just heard this on WEWS. A google came up with this for me:

http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/AP/story/1401463.html

It looks like they plan on squeezing us and showing commercials. Amazing!! Hopefully the FCC does something about this. Apparently there would be no network broadcast television. You would have to subscribe to something to get television.

I doubt the FCC could do much about it. If a network wants to end their OTA public air wave transmissions and go strictly cable/sat, what could the FCC do about it? It would be no different than Clear Channel deciding the AM/FM market is no longer a good business model and move to sat and internet broadcasting. :cool:

Personally I watch so little network TV (a big part of the reason the networks are struggling) I'd barely notice they were gone if they all just stopped broadcasting all together.

We wait, we see. I'd bet one does jump ship as stated in the article, the remaining networks might restructure their affiliate network and stay on OTA, who knows.

If 90% of my business came from one distribution channel and the remaining 10% distribution was costly and overly regulated, I too would seriously look at switching solely to the better distribution method. :)

I doubt the FCC could do much about it. If a network wants to end their OTA public air wave transmissions and go strictly cable/sat, what could the FCC do about it? It would be no different than Clear Channel deciding the AM/FM market is no longer a good business model and move to sat and internet broadcasting. :cool:

Personally I watch so little network TV (a big part of the reason the networks are struggling) I'd barely notice they were gone if they all just stopped broadcasting all together.

We wait, we see. I'd bet one does jump ship as stated in the article, the remaining networks might restructure their affiliate network and stay on OTA, who knows.

If 90% of my business came from one distribution channel and the remaining 10% distribution was costly and overly regulated, I too would seriously look at switching solely to the better distribution method. :)

I disagree. I think the FCC has not only the power but the duty to protect people from stuff like this.

These stations are supposed to be broadcasting not only to make money but for the public good. Removing access from those who can't afford is not in the public interest. I see them getting very involved with this.

Another point too, and this is just how different people watch television, 90% of what I record (or better) at this time of the year is broadcast network television. I stocked up so much last year that not one single rerun ran across my television. While I don't think that's going to fly this year, I want to at least come close to that by the Spring. But we shall see. I can only transfer those shows that are on broadcast television to my TiVo to Go, although this year I have such huge hard drive space I probably won't be transferring much of anything. Still I would like to capture an entire series and watch it during the summer when nothing else is on, if possible.

Tick tock.... Two more days. Only question is will I be getting 24 this year on WJW or watching it off of bit torrent?;)

I disagree. I think the FCC has not only the power but the duty to protect people from stuff like this.

These stations are supposed to be broadcasting not only to make money but for the public good. Removing access from those who can't afford is not in the public interest. I see them getting very involved with this.....

Yes, but the "public good" extends as far as their FCC OTA license.

*IF* they want to stay on the public air waves they obviously must comply with the FCC rules & regs. But these are private business' that *voluntarily* applied for and maintain their FCC license to broadcast OTA. They could cease OTA broadcasting and the FCC would be powerless to do anything about it (thank god). Numerous independent stations (TV, AM, FM) all under FCC licensing have come and gone, and some regions don't even have certain network affiliates broadcasting.

The Cleveland market almost had this very situation a few years back when ch 8 (then the CBS affiliate) became FOX. If 19 and/or 43 did not want to become a CBS affiliate we would have had no CBS OTA broadcasts in the Cleveland market. (I don't remember the details of this as I never followed it that closely, might have been the other way that CBS left ch 8, leaving them with only FOX as choice of a national network or go independent). The point is, it does happen.

I don't see the FCC mandating network coverage in all areas nor forcing a station to stay on the air when it is financially stupid to do so. ;)

I'm not suggesting all of the networks are in such dire financial condition, but they have shareholders they are accountable too. And I'm telling you, if the small % of OTA viewers are costing them way too much money to continue such broadcasting, these private business' can give back their FCC OTA license and go make movies and sitcoms in Russia if they wish. :D

here the plain dealers take on the situation (twc v. fox). i'm just glad that wjw and fox sports will be on. less of a worry than last year.

you should have seen my wife and i panicking about what to do with no nick jr shows for our, then 1yr old, son:eek:.

http://www.cleveland.com/tv/index.ssf/2009/12/fox-time_warner_battle_over_fe.html

This is good news, other then FX I don't see anything else I care about and my FX shows don't start until Spring or Summer.

Doesn't the Federal Communication Commission require local channels and programs?
Yes, this fight obscures an enduring fact -- networks and their affiliate stations still must broadcast programming for free over the public airwaves. About 11 percent of the population still opts for the free broadcasts, though they need converter boxes or digital televisions to receive digital signals, said an FCC spokeswoman. Most viewers receive network programming through cable or a satellite dish.

I was right about the FCC. Stations can't just arbitrarily stop broadcasting OTA. They have a public duty to do so.

This is good news, other then FX I don't see anything else I care about and my FX shows don't start until Spring or Summer.

Doesn't the Federal Communication Commission require local channels and programs?
Yes, this fight obscures an enduring fact -- networks and their affiliate stations still must broadcast programming for free over the public airwaves. About 11 percent of the population still opts for the free broadcasts, though they need converter boxes or digital televisions to receive digital signals, said an FCC spokeswoman. Most viewers receive network programming through cable or a satellite dish.

I was right about the FCC. Stations can't just arbitrarily stop broadcasting OTA. They have a public duty to do so.

Yes, as long as they wish to *have* an FCC licensing to do so.

They are ONLY required to follow FCC rules & regs as long as they have and maintain an FCC OTA broadcast license. If they do not renew such licensing and end such OTA transmissions, what is the FCC going to do? Arrest the CBS board members for NOT broadcasting without a license? :rolleyes:

Yes, as long as they wish to *have* an FCC licensing to do so.

They are ONLY required to follow FCC rules & regs as long as they have and maintain an FCC OTA broadcast license. If they do not renew such licensing and end such OTA transmissions, what is the FCC going to do? Arrest the CBS board members for NOT broadcasting without a license? :rolleyes:

I don't know about you but my 57 years worth of life on this planet has told me that there are certain things in this world you can't avoid. Death, taxes, and government regulations and that doesn't matter if your a Republican or Democrat. Somehow I just don't see broadcasters unilaterally taking their ball and going home just because they feel like it.

Look, I'm not saying ha ha, I was right you were wrong. I'm saying they just can't do it as easily as you may have thought. And the article points out that such a move won't happen for many years to come.

I was surprised to see only 11% of people receive OTA anymore. Interesting.

I'm thrilled that we won't miss the FOX network programs. Something actually good came out of that sale of WJW. And now nickdawg will still be able to vote on his favorite show, American Idol.:D:p

I don't know about you but my 57 years worth of life on this planet has told me that there are certain things in this world you can't avoid. Death, taxes, and government regulations and that doesn't matter if your a Republican or Democrat. Somehow I just don't see broadcasters unilaterally taking their ball and going home just because they feel like it.

Look, I'm not saying ha ha, I was right you were wrong. I'm saying they just can't do it as easily as you may have thought. And the article points out that such a move won't happen for many years to come.

I was surprised to see only 11% of people receive OTA anymore. Interesting.

I'm thrilled that we won't miss the FOX network programs. Something actually good came out of that sale of WJW. And now nickdawg will still be able to vote on his favorite show, American Idol.:D:p

As always I do respect your opinion and your sense of humour, truly.
BTW: Happy New Year to you and the Mrs. (and the birds) :)

Yes, I'm aware a broadcaster can't just turn OFF their OTA switch on a whim, short of going out of business. I assume the FCC rules & regs include a legally binding time period as well as the right *to* broadcast.

But it _is_ just as simple as I've stated. If a broadcaster (network, independent, affiliate, whatever) wants to stop broadcasting under it's FCC OTA license, they simply need not renew such license. At that point they are under no obligation to continue "the public good" under that FCC license.

Do I think this will happen in the near future? No. But I do think this is an eventuality that some could well end OTA broadcasts in the next decade. The market segment is just too small (and shrinking, save the current economic cycle). With (possibly) only two private networks left as OTA broadcasters maybe they can make it worth their while dividing up the 11% remaining OTA viewers (probably 7% by the time this might happen). I'd bet you this very subject is a common discussion in network boardrooms (as is hinted at in the article I posted). ;)

Also, I'd bet that 11% is not including (or is inaccurately counting) dual use households like myself (and you I believe) that use both OTA and cable/sat.

AMERICAN IDLE RULES! :D

Posted on January 29, 2009 by David Oxenford from Broadcast Law Blog
Steps to Take When A Broadcast Station Goes Silent

Comments In these challenging economic times, it seems like almost every day we see a notice that a broadcast station has gone silent while the owner evaluates what to do with the facility. This seems particularly common among AM stations - many of which have significant operating costs and, in recent times, often minimal revenues. The DTV transition deadline (whenever that may be) may also result in a number of TV stations that don't finish their DTV buildout in time being forced to go dark. While these times may call for these economic measures to cut costs to preserve the operations of other stations that are bringing in revenue, broadcasters must remember that there are specific steps that must be taken at the FCC to avoid fines or other problems down the road.

One of the first issues to be addressed is the requirement that the FCC be informed of the fact that a station has gone silent. Once a station has ceased operations for 10 days, a notice must be filed with the the FCC providing notification that the station is not operational. If the station remains silent for 30 days, specific permission, in the form of a request for Special Temporary Authority to remain silent, must be sought from the FCC. The rules refer to reasons beyond the control of the licensee as providing justification for the station being off the air. Traditionally, the FCC has wanted a licensee to demonstrate that there has been a technical issue that has kept the station off the air. The Commission was reluctant to accept financial concerns as providing justification for the station being silent - especially if there was no clear plan to sell the station or to promptly return it to the air. Perhaps the current economic climate may cause the FCC to be more understanding - at least for some period of time.

However, several years ago Congress added a new consideration to the Commission's evaluation of silent stations. That was the adoption of Section 312(g) of the Communications Act, that says that if a station is of the air for 12 consecutive months, then the station's license will automatically expire. While that statute has since been amended to give the Commission the authority to reinstate such an expired license "to promote equity and fairness," it still provides a powerful deterrent against stations staying silent, as the Commission is reluctant to find that this exception is met. Even if there are technical reasons for the station being silent, if the conditions persist for a full year and no operation (even at a limited power) is restored, the license may well be forfeited. So, if you want to preserve the license, don't allow a station to remain silent for a full year.

Another important consideration is the station's tower lighting and marking. Just because a station is off the air does not mean that the owner can ignore the station's tower. If there are requirements that the tower have obstruction lights, those lights must be kept operational even if the station is not. Any required tower painting must be kept visible as well. Station owners who have ignored these requirements have been fined by the FCC.

Desperate times call for desperate measures - just follow the proper procedures to avoid problems

I disagree. I think the FCC has not only the power but the duty to protect people from stuff like this.

These stations are supposed to be broadcasting not only to make money but for the public good. Removing access from those who can't afford is not in the public interest. I see them getting very involved with this.

Sure, maybe one major network will be allowed to close, not including CW or MNTV. But if CBS, FOX and ABC also wanted to jump off the OTA ship, the FCC would definitely get involved. Public good is very important in broadcast TV. It's the very reason why the DTV transition happened in June instead of February. If they were worried about only 1 million people not being able to receive the programming b/c they don't have the proper equipment at the time, just imagine if everyone faced losing free OTA?

Honestly I think the whole thing is very sad. Cable networks are NO better than broadcast networks, you still get tons of commercials, bugs/snipes; except you have to pay for the cable channels(and the bugs and commercials on them!).

The problem is the programming. And the FCC is also responsible for hurting the networks. Since the FCC is a slave to all the old timey, bass ackwards Puritans in this country, we have ridiculous "regulations" that hurt broadcast TV. You can have severe nudity and swearing on a show on F/X at 10pm, good luck with that on ABC or CBS. George Lopez can say "s--t" at 11pm on TBS, good luck trying that Conan.

Stations can't just arbitrarily stop broadcasting OTA. They have a public duty to do so.

Unless you are the CBS or FOX affiliate in Cleveland. Are they even "on the air" anymore? Many people would probly answer "no" thanks to that VHF BS.

Another side effect of this TWC crap. How do they expect their customers, who had a year and a half lecture how "Timewarner customers don't need to do ANYTHING for the DTV transition" to get OTA channels if they don't have a converter? This is not 2008, you can't just plug rabbit ears into an analog TV and expect a signal!:rolleyes: