Is anyone getting an audio delay on the NBC HD station? At times it is so bad I have to switch to the SDTV version.

Originally posted by nu2this
Is anyone getting an audio delay on the NBC HD station? At times it is so bad I have to switch to the SDTV version.

Yes, KUSA & KDVR occasionally have sync problems. I have no idea if it's Comcast or the feed they're being given

MiD

KDVR has, and always has had, lip sync issues. They don't seem highly motivated to fix it. Hopefully when they switch to the network 720p feed, it'll be in sync.

dr_mal,
If I remember right, you get NBC ota. Are you having lip sync problems with them as well? Also, when is KDVR supposed to switch to 720p?
Thanks

I haven't seen problems with NBC's lip sync. I don't watch a whole lot of NBC, though.

KDVR is ready to broadcast 720p as soon as corporate starts sending a 720p feed. The engineer I talked to indicated all he'd have to do was flip a switch. Originally Fox had said they would start 720p in some markets as early as next month, but I hear that's been scaled back to be the start of the 2004-05 season.

Hello everyone,
I'm fairly new to the HD world (about 3 months). Does anyone know the status of comcast and their DVI output? I have attempted to check my firmware/software version on the 5100 box. I think the fermware version is 50.00. Dosen't that seem really old? The comcast CSRs have NO idea what I'm talking about when I call to ask them. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
-Nate

Originally posted by ncopt
Hello everyone,
I'm fairly new to the HD world (about 3 months). Does anyone know the status of comcast and their DVI output? I have attempted to check my firmware/software version on the 5100 box. I think the fermware version is 50.00. Dosen't that seem really old? The comcast CSRs have NO idea what I'm talking about when I call to ask them. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
-Nate

You can check you firmware version in the "setup" menu on the 5100. You're probably at v 5.03. It's my understanding that firmware updates are installed automatically once Comcast sends them through their network. Comcast was unable or unwilling to tell me when v 6.x (which enables the DVI port) would be applied in the Denver area.

MiD

As mentoned before I'm looking at moving to Comcast HD but need some sort of PVR/DVR capability at least for SD.

I just spoke with a Comcast CSR that appeared to be the most knowledable to date. He said that Comcast Denver is in the process of converting some "switch processing" from national to local. Apparently, this is required before Video On Demand or the DVR service can be offered. This is supposed to be completed by December 2. His guess is that the above services should available some time late Janurary for February.

Has anyone else heard this?

Thanks!

Kkelley,
There are some options for PVR/DVR with SD if you have Comcast HD. I've got an HTPC with a Hauppauge PVR250. I actually split my signal 3 ways. I have one feed going to the 5100, one feed going to my HDTV (Sony KF50XBR800), and one feed going to my HTPC. I use SageTV to do my PVR. Works well for me. I imagine you could do the same with SnapStream or ATI's PVR stuff. I like the hardware MPEG encoding of SageTV. Personal preference YMMV.

I don't have a TiVo but I would guess that you could do something similar with that too.

Once again, this is all for SD TV.

LaVike

Thanks LaVike.

I have the 60XBR800. HTPC is another option to consider. However, I have to keep the budget down since the wife is still getting over the TV purchase which was about the same time I got new Rotel gear...

As far as TiVo goes, I am thinking of ordering one from the place dr_mal suggested as a short term solution until the Comcast DVR comes out.

However, I now understand (through the Comcast CSR) that the IR hardwire connection is disabled on the 5100. He suggested some convoluted solution that involves an "IR Blaster and aluminum foil" to allow the TiVo to control the 5100. If that is what I'll have to do then I don't see much utility in the TiVo approach...

You'd have to use the IR Blaster to control the 5100. However, in my case when I split the signal, I can just use the tuner on my PVR250. I use the 5100 when I want to watch HD or don't want to PVR. Lots of flexibility. I'm guessing the same would be true of TiVo. It would get a feed too and it would use its tuner to get the correct channel.

LaVike

I've had TiVo for almost 4 years, so I'm addicted. The problem with it is that it can't receive digital channels without a cable box. So, wanting to record some SD digital content, my solution was to simply keep my old Moto 2xxx (I forget the exact model number) along with the 5100. So, my cable is split between the two boxes; one feeds the TiVo and the other feeds the TV. Comcast is charging me extra for the old box, but its worth it in my opinion.

One of the virtues of this approach is that the old Moto 2xxx can be controlled by the serial port and I don't have to use the IR blaster. I have the old cable box covered up since it uses the same remote as the 5100 and it would always be on the same channel otherwise.

I'm sorry, truly...but indulge just once more on the DirecTV - Tivo subject. It's just so cool when both the DirecTV satellite tuner is combined with Tivo functionality in the same box, record two shows at once, watch one, record another....and only $5 /month for the service.
/off_my_soap_box

That said, and I imagine this applies to Tivo with Comcast, I can pick one channel, say the History Channel, and with the Tivo menu quickly see what's scheduled for showing for about two weeks forward, and pick the ones to be automaticaly recorded.

But whether recording them or not, there's just a bunch of cherished old shows spread across several channels that I've never paid attention to, whereupon viewing what they have on tap there's my good ones sprinkled in there, that I never knew about because they were camoflaged by the stuff I don't like. The Rifleman, Gunsmoke, Rawhide, Dallas, good....Cosby Show baad. :)

I must have spent an hour just reviewing upcoming programming on the Tivo guide. Now if I could just have that hour back... :(

Speaking of SpeedChannel, is it available in HD on Comcast, satellite, or any other market? I was watching the British Touring Championship races Saturday and noticed that it was in 16:9 format on Comcast. And what year did TCI get Speedvision? I've only had cable since about 3 years ago, and only got it for clear reception and Speedvision, which sadly has been downgraded to mostly worthless boring NASCRAP since it became SpeedChannel.

Originally posted by HDTimeShifter
Speaking of SpeedChannel, is it available in HD on Comcast, satellite, or any other market? I was watching the British Touring Championship races Saturday and noticed that it was in 16:9 format on Comcast. And what year did TCI get Speedvision? ..........

I don't believe SpeedChannel broadcasts anything in HD. The TitanTV web site has been quite accurate in indentifying HD broadcasts. SpCh is one of the "favorites" in my custom list with TitanTV and I can't recall any HD-indicated programming. The 16:9 might have been stretched, like ESPN will do with SD programming? I'd wake up early for F1 in HD, but I don't think it's happening yet. It's not identified as having HD in either Comcast or DirecTV listings.

SpCh is in an upper tier digital package on Denver Comcast (ch 408 on "digital classic extra") but surprisingly, it has been available on the basic subscription to DirecTV even though DirecTV lists it as unavailable until the next upgrade ("total choice plus") subscription level. I'm not sure why DirecTV makes it available to me -- a "total choice" and "HD package" subscriber? But it's a welcome surprise; nothing else in the tcplus package is of interest except SpCh.

I don't know when Comcast began Speedvision, not before digital service. It has never been available among the analog offerings. I got it on C-banc when it wasn't available via Mile High/TCI/ATT/Comcast and so didn't notice when cable got wise.

In Highlands Ranch SpeedChannel is available on analog channel 77. I know att/comcast has had it for over a year.

Does any one know why the NBA games advertised on INHD aren't being broadcast? Comcast CSRs tell me its technical problems, but my guess is that its more likely due to licensing issues.

MiD

I can't verify this, but I think I read in another forum that these games are feeds from NBA TV which does not have a contract with Comcast. Therefore, Comcast cannot allow the games to be shown on their systems. Seems strange to me since Comcast owns a piece of InHD, but that's what I've read.

There is now a page on the Rocky Mountain PBS website that provides the schedule of programs on KRMA-DT Channel 18:

www.rmpbs.org/dtv/schedule.html

Please let us know if you find it helpful. Thanks.

Jim Schoedler
Director of Engineering
Rocky Mountain PBS

I would like to see the Comcast on-screen guide showing the KRMA HD channel (658) schedule rather than a copy of the channel 6 schedule. That would be my main source of info on what is on. Certainly the downloadable Excel file on these Web pages is the most useful alternative if that can't be achieved.

Jim Schoedler,

Thanks for the site to check out the up and coming PBS in HD programing.

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JimD03,

I too would like to see Comcast update the HD on screen programing guide. I also would like to see them add more HD content soon - very soon :) .


Jeff

Originally posted by JimD03
I would like to see the Comcast on-screen guide showing the KRMA HD channel (658) schedule rather than a copy of the channel 6 schedule.

Thanks for the feedback. We are working on adding program guide info (dynamic PSIP) to our signal; then we'll need to work with Comcast to have them translate it to cable. This could be many months away.

At the present time Comcast seems to use a program listing service. They are displaying what's on analog CH 6 rather than our DTV channel 18, which differs except during the simulcast periods.

Jim Schoedler

I recently purchased a Samsung HLN507w and just signed up to have the Comcast HD package installed on Dec. 18. I am very much considering this a trial. This might be a can of worms, but is there any new info regarding additional programming? Any movement on the ABC/CBS fronts?

How about Voom? I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to get it myself due to LOS problems, but what is the scoop with local channels in HD through Voom in the Denver area? I searched this forum for info on Voom in Denver and got no matches. It is being advertised on the Denver Post Web site, so I would assume there is some availability. Anyone know the scoop?

It's my understanding that VOOMs local HD channels are simply the OTA signals integrated with their satellite programing. The same as D*TV & Dish...

MiD

Any of you guys getting Starz! HD yet on Comcast? Apparently it launched and theres been at least one report of Comcast carrying it already in Utah.

Well,

I got excited seeing all the posts of people getting CBS HD / Starz HD etc. in their Comcast areas. SO I called up Comcast and asked what we could expect here in Denver. All the CSR could tell me is that they are continually trying to get new contract agreements for HD and will air the material as soon as the contracts are made. Nothing new at this time... I just hope that we get CBS in Denver before the Superbowl is here.

Jeff

Funny thing is, I've seen Comcast adds claiming they have all 3 major networks available in HD now the last week.

I'm new to this forum. I'm currently a Dish subscriber with HDTV (6000 receiver). I'm going to be switching to Comcast later this week and have 2 questions:

1) I'd really like to be able to get the Superbowl in HDTV but I understand that Comcast is not offering CBS yet in Denver. Is there speculation that they may offer it before Feb 1st? My other option is to keep my Dish until the Superbowl which will cost me.

2) As I understand it Comcast will install a DCT2000 in one room and the 5100 for my HDTV set. On the system with DCT2000 I will have a Tivo attached. Does anyone know if I'll be able to use serial control on the DCT2000 from the Tivo. I've heard this unit offers that capability but it depends on your local cable provider also. Does Comcast/Denver offer this option?

Thanks,
David

Originally posted by davidwsica
Does anyone know if I'll be able to use serial control on the DCT2000 from the Tivo. I've heard this unit offers that capability but it depends on your local cable provider also. Does Comcast/Denver offer this option?

Thanks,
David

I have both boxes on the same TV, and I control the DCT 2000 (actually, I'm not sure that's the right model but its a DCT 2xxx) with the serial connection from the TiVo. Works great, but I have to keep the DCT 2xxx covered up because of its close proximity to the DCT 5100. They use the same remote control. Sounds like you won't have this problem.

Tim

Originally posted by davidwsica
Is there speculation that they may offer it before Feb 1st? My other option is to keep my Dish until the Superbowl which will cost me.


Yes, there's speculation, but no hard facts. I posted on 11/5 about my discussion with a CSR, but that was a while ago, and I haven't talked to them since.

This is a compare of Denver's Comcast HD Vs. DirecTV HD Quality

I've only compared a few things. I have basic cable. For My high Def I have a Zenith SAT520 with DirecTV. From Highlands Ranch I pick up all of the station OTA (Even KMGH). I recently bought a LG 3100A and decided to hook it up to the cable to see what it could pick up via the QAM Comcast. Well, It got HBOHD, ShowtimeHD, ESPNHD, INHD1 and 2 (although it's been off since yesterday), KUSA, KRMA and KDVR.
I compared OTA "The Tonight Show" to the Comcast "The Tonight Show". The OTA broadcast was clearly sharper. Tonight I watched the U of F game and compared the two. I couldn't discern any difference in picture quality between the two. The few QAM unscrambled channel's that I got looked worse than DirecTV SD. INHD seems pretty worthless, definitely no competition for HDnet.
All this was done with the same cables, both LG boxes via a mechanical switch box. Mitsubishi 55857 TV.

Originally posted by Greg T
This is a compare of Denver's Comcast HD Vs. DirecTV HD Quality

I've only compared a few things. I have basic cable. For My high Def I have a Zenith SAT520 with DirecTV. From Highlands Ranch I pick up all of the station OTA (Even KMGH). I recently bought a LG 3100A and decided to hook it up to the cable to see what it could pick up via the QAM Comcast. Well, It got HBOHD, ShowtimeHD, ESPNHD, INHD1 and 2 (although it's been off since yesterday), KUSA, KRMA and KDVR.
I compared OTA "The Tonight Show" to the Comcast "The Tonight Show". The OTA broadcast was clearly sharper. Tonight I watched the U of F game and compared the two. I couldn't discern any difference in picture quality between the two. The few QAM unscrambled channel's that I got looked worse than DirecTV SD. INHD seems pretty worthless, definitely no competition for HDnet.
All this was done with the same cables, both LG boxes via a mechanical switch box. Mitsubishi 55857 TV.

That was a interesting post. I had been wondering how Comcast compares to DirecTV.

I have a question about the movie channels. Showtime has an annoying lip-sync issue that ruins some movies. Have you seen this on Comcast?


Steve

I watched a little of Vanella Sky this evening, and didn't notice a lip sync problem. I'll let you know if I do.

Does anyone know where I can go to see a daily/weekly schedule of what HD programs are broadcast on Comcast? A fried of mine just got a new HDTV and Comcast HD and I need to know when to invite myself over :)

Originally posted by David James
Does anyone know where I can go to see a daily/weekly schedule of what HD programs are broadcast on Comcast? A fried of mine just got a new HDTV and Comcast HD and I need to know when to invite myself over :)

I use titantv.com (http://www.titantv.com), which you can manually configure for some of the stations that are not in their list for Comcast. I also subscribe to HDTV Magazine, which is an online magazine that sends out a daily email with the schedule for all stations currently broadcasting in HD. http://www.ilovehdtv.com is the website for HDTV Magazine.

Steve

In case anyone didn't know, the Broncos game against Indianapolis on Sunday 21st December is in hi-def on ESPN HD. Looking forwards to my first HD Broncos experience.

I'm gonna miss it...sucks :(

Wait! We ain't leavin' 'till Monday! YeeeHaawww!!!! :)

I have a couple of friends who each have big screen TV's but don't have HD, so I've invited them over for the game on Sunday to show them how REAL TV should be viewed!!!!

LOL

For anyone who missed the announcement over in HDTV Programming, CBS and Comcast have finally reached an agreement which *should* allow the Super Bowl in February to be seen in HD on Comcast.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=340133

Originally posted by dr_mal
For anyone who missed the announcement over in HDTV Programming, CBS and Comcast have finally reached an agreement which *should* allow the Super Bowl in February to be seen in HD on Comcast.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=340133

That's HUGE! I just got my Comcast HD STB yesterday and I asked the obligitory questions of the installer. Who knows how accurate his info is, but here's what he told me: Comcast will be releasing an HD STB with HD PVR capabilites complete with an active DVI output. I thought that was pretty huge. I'm a Tivo fan, but if I can get HD PVR functionality, I'm sold.

I'm still holding out for the HD DirecTiVo, but I'm happy for all you Comcast customers who currently don't have CBS-HD. CSI and CSI: Miami are probably some of the best looking HD primetime shows out there.

This is great news! The question now is when will channel 4 actually appear on Comcast? I've checked both parties' Web sites and don't see anything about the announcement as of this morning. In another thread, one guy claimed that his CBS O&O station was supposed to be up and running by this afternoon. I assume that Comcast already has the fiber link to them, as they apparently do to channel 7. Anybody know anything?

Originally posted by Your User Name:
Comcast will be releasing an HD STB with HD PVR capabilites complete with an active DVI output. I thought that was pretty huge. I'm a Tivo fan, but if I can get HD PVR functionality, I'm sold.

I was excited about getting a Moto 6208, but the other day I read that the PVR in that unit doesn't come close to TiVo in functionality. I don't think I want to pay $10 a month (that's the number I've heard) for a PVR that has a lousy guide, no season passes, etc. I wonder if a stand-alone HD TiVo will be out around the same time as the HD DirecTiVo.

Tim

So this is only good news to those whose local CBS affiliate is owned by Viacom? Is that the case in Denver?

Yes, this agreement applies here in Denver. There are other markets where the CBS affiliate is owned by somebody other than Viacom/CBS, and many (most, all?) of them have been on Comcast in those areas.

Well I just called Comcast and the CSR I talked to (for whatever that is worth) told me he doubts CBS will be up in HD in time for the Super Bowl, but he expects it shortly thereafter.

From what I heard they are planning on launching CBS ASAP (before the superbowl). Also Starz HD and Cinemax HD are to launch here in Denver on 1/6/2004 (less thatn a month away)...


Jeff

Originally posted by Jefftaz
From what I heard they are planning on launching CBS ASAP (before the superbowl). Also Starz HD and Cinemax HD are to launch here in Denver on 1/6/2004 (less thatn a month away)...


Jeff

Yeah the CSR I spoke with mentioned the Starz and Cinemax launch, but said CBS by the SB was a possiblilty, but unlikely. I hope and pray he doesn't know squat.

So how much more compressed with the non-HD channels become? This CBS-HD news is making Comcast that much more attractive, but I am very concerned the SD channels will look like ca-ca. I guess I have time before I think about switching from Dish...

I see that Ch. 9 has announced it will carry the Sun. night game, and I assume this is for benefit of those unable to get ESPN. Is there any chance that ESPN will have to "black out" because our local channel is to carry? Will the Ch. 9 game be in HD?

Oh God! I hope not. I'm having my first Bronco HD party tonight. My wife will kill me. Anyone have an answer to JKM's question?

Trying to answer my own question: TitanTV.com shows Ch. 9 Broncos game in HD tonight, so it may not matter whether ESPN is available or is blacked out in Denver. If both are available, I assume they'd share HD camera work, but not announcers.

Party on, Nu2this..... your wife will have to wait for another excuse.

Originally posted by JKM
your wife will have to wait for another excuse.

She already has plenty of other reasons but thats another story.

I'm looking forward to showing the difference between SD to HD to my guests tonight. Not only PQ but how much of the game you normally miss in 4:3.
It would be great if us comcasters would comment later on the quality of the tonight's broadcast.

I watched the ESPN HD and it was excellent. Everything I hoped for including the result. Glancing at NBC, I think it was 4:3 even on their HD channel, but I'm not sure I remember right.

Originally posted by JimD03
I watched the ESPN HD and it was excellent. Everything I hoped for including the result. Glancing at NBC, I think it was 4:3 even on their HD channel, but I'm not sure I remember right.

I, too, checked Ch. 9 which I get both from Comcast and OTA. Both times I checked it was 4:3 but looked like better than SD pq. I'm not sure what they did with this?

My room full of Bronco fans had no patience with any experimenting with 9NEWS-HD nor did they have any interest in A/B look at SD/HD during the game. Once they see HD they won't go back.......

I did get to compare ESPN-HD Comcast with ESPN-HD from DirecTV and I thought the dish feed was perhaps slightly sharper and brighter, although minimally different -- both were excellent. ESPN-HD was w/o any flaws here, no drop-outs, freezes, or other common HD annoyances.

I thought there were fewer replays and wondered if this was a function of the complexity or bandwidth issues with HD? I'm nitpicking here; total video experience was 10/10.

But with the sorry announcers and minimal audio effort (why not use that 5.1 for crowd noise, in-stadium announcers,etc) -- I thought the audio was below what could have been done. The "bumpers" really demonstrated HD's audio potential while the audio for the game itself seemed like an afterthought.

Originally posted by Your User Name:
... the Lakers/Suns game that was supposed to be on InHD, but it wouldn't tune in for me. If I changed the channel to InHD, the monitor would simply display a freeze frame of the channel i was previously on. What's up with that?

It has been doing the same thing on my set for about a week. At first I thought there was something with my cable box but I later heard that others were having the same problem.

The Broncos game looked great with no break-ups. My guests were amazed. I was (temporarily) a hero in my wifes eyes.

Channel 9's HD was in 4:3. It was interesting to flip back and forth to see how much of the action I used to miss.

On another note, my latest cable bill started charging me for HBO and Cinemax for January. I guess the free ride is over. I hope the previous posts are correct and CBS HD is available soon. Does anyone know if they will raise the HD package rate once Starz HD and Cinemax HD are available?

Last night I got to watch some of my first HD programming and the Broncos game was just incredible. But, I also wanted to check out the Lakers/Suns game that was supposed to be on InHD, but it wouldn't tune in for me. If I changed the channel to InHD, the monitor would simply display a freeze frame of the channel i was previously on. What's up with that?

I am sure that this dead horse has been beaten, but I think that KUSA or channel 9 has the worst feed on comcast HD. It is displayed in what appears to be 4:3 and the picture quality just plain sucks. Anyone seeing the same thing I am, and if so are they planning on fixing that anytime soon?

Also does anyone have the HD channel availablity? (What is coming and when)

KUSA's HD channel is 653 where I am, and some shows like Leno are quite good in HD quality. Others, like most of the prime-time stuff, don't seem to make full use of HD digital cameras, I guess, but are better than SD, because they use the widescreen format.

A little bird told me that Comcast expects to launch KCNC-DT (our CBS affiliate) on Christmas Day.

dr_mal - someone must have wanted you to be wrong - KCNC is active now. Of course, The Price is Right doesn't look much better than on SD, but I'll be very pleased to see CSI (if it's on this week) and the weekend football games. No other new channels, but I'm glad to see they got this one on so quickly.

Did the bird mention when DVR and Video on Demand would be here?

Thanks!

WHAT CHANNEL!? It wasn't active as of last night.

Originally posted by gakon
dr_mal - someone must have wanted you to be wrong - KCNC is active now. Of course, The Price is Right doesn't look much better than on SD, but I'll be very pleased to see CSI (if it's on this week) and the weekend football games. No other new channels, but I'm glad to see they got this one on so quickly.

This is great news! I noticed KCNC in the guide at 654 this morning, but I turned off the TV before it actually activated.

Anybody know if KCNC is better at remembering to "flip the switch" than KUSA? I can't believe how many times I've tuned into KUSA and seen a show that should be in HD presented in their glorious 4:3 format.

Channel 9's HD was in 4:3. It was interesting to flip back and forth to see how much of the action I used to miss.

On another note, my latest cable bill started charging me for HBO and Cinemax for January. I guess the free ride is over. I hope the previous posts are correct and CBS HD is available soon. Does anyone know if they will raise the HD package rate once Starz HD and Cinemax HD are available?

KUSA DT was rebroadcasting the SD vertically stretched feed from ESPN, hence not true HD. Mine looked just abysmal compared to the HD.

Did you mean you are being charged for Showtime and HBO or do I need to kill myself knowing that I have had HD Skinemax and been missing out on it?

Originally posted by gakon
dr_mal - someone must have wanted you to be wrong - KCNC is active now. Of course, The Price is Right doesn't look much better than on SD, but I'll be very pleased to see CSI (if it's on this week) and the weekend football games. No other new channels, but I'm glad to see they got this one on so quickly.


I can say from having CBS on satellite for sometime and recently receiving it on comcast that it seems to have less artifacts (I see occasionally) and something just looks better on satellite. It is still nice though and if the shows that I enjoy watching on satellite in HD look similar, you guys will be very impressed. CSI, CSI Miami, Cold Case, Joan of Arcadia and the occasional Handler all look amazing. Survivor this past season wasn't in HD (of course) so you guys didn't miss anything there.

My little bird was at KCNC, not Comcast, so no clue on the DVR or other Comcast-ness. I don't have Comcast; since I didn't see anyone here post that it was up, thought I'd give you a heads up.

KCNC is generally much better than KUSA at flipping the switch. I noticed a couple of issues last week (one chunk of Raymond was SD, King Of Queens was SD the whole show, and Navy NCIS didn't go HD until 15 minutes in) but those are anomolies. I made their chief engineer aware of the situation. KUSA's actually been much better this TV season (not better than KCNC, better than KUSA was last year).

Has Comcast said anything about adding WB2's digital signal yet? The content they've got actually looks very good in HD. And I can't imagine WB getting locked in a year-long contract dispute -- they'd just be happy to have more people watching.

Hey guys,
I was flipping around the HD channels today, and I now have CBS on Comcast in Littleton. At least we get the last regular season games in HD.
The young and the restless never looked so good ;)

CBS KCNC is on channel 654.

Benzyl

DAMMIT. Why this week? I've missed SO many Joan of Arcadias

Yep, 654. Nothing in HD yet.
Broncos - Green Bay on Sunday.

Today's RMN says that Comcast is also adding STARZ and Cinemax HD starting January 6. I assume that Skinemax won't be free, but I wonder about STARZ. The ComcastColorado web site hasn't been updated to show the addition of KCNC to the lineup, so that site doesn't seem to be useful anymore.

So with CBS now up and running, let's start talking about ABC. What's the deal there? Is it just the same as it was with CBS? Contract negotiations are ongoing and one day, suddenly, we'll have ABC?

Originally posted by JimD03
Yep, 654. Nothing in HD yet.
Broncos - Green Bay on Sunday.

Yes, according to TitanTV.com that game will be in HD on Sunday!!!

Sweet!!!

Originally posted by Your User Name:
So with CBS now up and running, let's start talking about ABC. What's the deal there? Is it just the same as it was with CBS? Contract negotiations are ongoing and one day, suddenly, we'll have ABC?

As I understand it from reading other threads here, KUSA is a local negotiation, not a corporate one. So we can hope that maybe the CBS deal will push KUSA and WB2 to join the bandwagon.

Originally posted by gakon
Today's RMN says that Comcast is also adding STARZ and Cinemax HD starting January 6. I assume that Skinemax won't be free, but I wonder about STARZ. The ComcastColorado web site hasn't been updated to show the addition of KCNC to the lineup, so that site doesn't seem to be useful anymore.

If you look here

http://www.comcast.com/Support/viewCLU.asp?CLUID=83433

I was surprised to see they had added KCNC already.

Originally posted by GEBrown
If you look here
http://www.comcast.com/Support/viewCLU.asp?CLUID=83433
I was surprised to see they had added KCNC already.

CBS started on Tuesday morning. There didn't seem to be any announcement about when it was coming; just the posts here about the Comcast/CBS/Viacom deal. I don't mind that they started it so soon.

GEBrown - this web site doesn't show STARZ or Cinemax on either the Digital or Premium HDTV lineups, at least under my zip code. Does it show them for your area? Also, KUSA is NBC (9) and already part of HDTV. KMGH is ABC (7), and IT is the problem child.

I had a conversation with a CSR from Comcast almost two months ago (posted the details at that time) in which he stated that he didn't expect KMGH to be on the lineup until after Monday Night Football was over, and maybe not even until spring (which I took to mean March/April). Since he also mentioned at that time that CBS would probably be in HD on Comcast before the Super Bowl, I'll continue to believe his information. Unfortunately, I did not press him on the other local or cable channels (UPN, Discovery, etc.). But he did say the Motorola 6200's would be out next month, so I'll start calling in another week or two to see about upgrading. My wife will be thrilled to have to switch DVI cables.

UPN20 doesn't have a digital channel up and running yet.

CBS was just added to Denver's Comcast local HD line up; can't wait for CSI tonight. Sweet.

MiD

Originally posted by gakon
GEBrown - this web site doesn't show STARZ or Cinemax on either the Digital or Premium HDTV lineups, at least under my zip code. Does it show them for your area? Also, KUSA is NBC (9) and already part of HDTV. KMGH is ABC (7), and IT is the problem child.

But he did say the Motorola 6200's would be out next month, so I'll start calling in another week or two to see about upgrading. My wife will be thrilled to have to switch DVI cables.

Yeah, I wondered how long it would take someone to catch my faux pas on KUSA - of course it is already on HD.

My understanding is that STARZ and Cinemax get added Jan 6, so I doubt we will see them on the website until then.

Has anyone heard yet what the Premium HD package is going to cost? I could live without the other HBO's and Cinemax's, if I can at least get the HD ones. I presume that package will require the Digital Cable package of some sort too.

Anyway, CSI was a rerun, but at least it was the Battle Bots one - another of my hobbies!!! :>)

Finally, that will be great if the Moto 6200's come out this month!!!

Originally posted by GEBrown


Has anyone heard yet what the Premium HD package is going to cost? I could live without the other HBO's and Cinemax's, if I can at least get the HD ones. I presume that package will require the Digital Cable package of some sort too.



I was told originally that I had to buy at least the lowest digital package ("Digital Classic") to get HD. There was nothing I wanted in their DC package so, last month, after October installation, I checked again, asking to drop all but digital HD. I was told that would be OK, but I would have to pay a box rental fee (Mot 5100) at (I recall) $4.99/mo. plus the HD subscription charge -- free now but HD charges start in Jan. 04. So it is possible to get HD from Comcast with no other digital package although a stb rental fee is then charged.

So far HBO-HD and Showtime-HD have been included in the HD package w/o buying a "premium" (multichannels HBO, etc.) subscription. This is contrary to what installers said but is consistent with what I was told by Comcast CSR in October during HD startup. I'm hoping additional premium HD will be inc. in the HD-only subscription -- a "make-good" for the misrepresentations about "all your local channels available....."

Does anyone know for sure if the Bronco game today will be in HD? I'm concerned that it will be shown in 4:3 like KUSA did last week. Also, for those OTA guys that know, (dr_mal) should I expect the same quality as the fantastic ESPN HD broadcast last week?

I am sure it will be in HD, the Bills/Patriots game yesterday was in HD. There was a popping I noticed occassionally during the game yesterday, otherwise it looked great. KUSA has had a consistent problem with keeping things in HD, I have watched shows that would go from HD to 4:3 after a commercial break, this has been the same since they launched in HD. CBS has been much more consistent since they launched.

I'm not a football fan, and since NBC hasn't any live sports (read: NHL or winter Olympics) since KUSA went on the air, I haven't been bothered to evaluate their sports signal.

That said, since all my equipment is native 1080i, and NBC does 1080i, I'd expect it to look better than ESPN-HD (720p). For those of you with native 720p equipment, it may look a little worse (but not bad, it's still HD after all)

Just got my Comcast bill in the mail and it lists Starz and Cinemax on channels 661 and 662 as of January 6th. They are listed under the HD channel listing, nice way to announce their launch. There is also a equipment fee listed for unreturned 6200 boxes, so those should be on the horizon also. Just thought I would pass along the info. Also, other than the HDTV equipment charge of $6.45 per month there is no HD package so apparently those will just be bundled with there standard equivalents.

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to edit the channels on the Motorola STB. There are a lot of channels I'd like to to edit out.

Originally posted by Your User Name:
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to edit the channels on the Motorola STB. There are a lot of channels I'd like to to edit out.

Assuming you're not talking about parental control, you can set up Favorite channels on the Menu. That way, scanning using the FAV button just goes through your selected channels. I've cut it down to about 8 that I actually watch much.

is it possible to pick up ABC OTA in south east aurora Iliff and Buckley.

Well, I haven't had any luck with ABC.

I'm at Chambers and Dartmouth, 1/4 mile south of the Cherry Creek Reservoir spillway berm, so I think my line-of-sight to downtown is obscured by that.

I get all the other DT channels with my RS yagi on a 10' mast attached to the chimney, but ABC doesn't even blip my meter.

If your elevation is a bit higher than me, you might be able to see over the spillway berm to downtown. (or if you're far enough east, you might see around it).

Good Luck!

u-ray,

I haven't had any luck with ABC either. I'm in Aurora near Colfax and Tower, with clear line of sight to downtown. I pick up all the other stations though.

I'm using a RS yagi as well, mounted 3-4 feet above my roofline, and a Samsung T151 receiver.

Let us know if you try it and have any luck.

Has anybody had any luck picking up StarzHD or CinemaxHD yet today? They are supposed to be channels 661 & 662, but these channels have not yet shown up in my programming guide. The launch date is supposed to be today, and I even received a message on my cable box announcing that these channels were currently available, but nothing yet. I called Comcast and they said they could appear at any point during the day. Seems to me the message they send out should have read "will appear sometime today" as opposed to "already are available" if this is the case. Anyways, looking forward to more HD choices......

Brett

I spoke to a Comcast CSR last night and he said they still have "no firm date" for the launch of those channels, but that they would "be available soon." He also said an HD PPV channel will be available soon. Nothing new on ABC, though.

That seems odd that a CSR told you last night they have no firm date for the launch of StarzHD and CinemaxHD. They have been saying January 6th for awhile, and the bill they send out has these channels listed with a January 6th start date. As I said previously, when I called today they said they would lauch sometime today. I would be shocked if these channels do not show up today at some point, I just wonder when today.

As far as ABC, I think it may be a long time before anything happens. What I am really wanting now is HDNet.

Brett

Originally posted by brhow
What I am really wanting now is HDNet.
Brett

Discovery Channel HD would be nice too.

MiD

Originally posted by brhow
As far as ABC, I think it may be a long time before anything happens.

Why is that? It's contract negotiations just like with CBS, right? So who's to say it won't just happen one day soon.

Well, actually it is not contract negotiations just like CBS. With CBS, Comcast was negotiating w/ them on a national level, CBS was basically blocked from Comcast nationwide. With ABC, there is no such national negotiation taking place. The problem seems to be with our local affiliate. For whatever reason, our local ABC affiliate seems to be way behind the ball when it comes to HDTV, even with their OTA signal. I really doubt they will change their tune anythime soon, at least until the full strength tower is completed. Thing is, now that ABC is done w/ pro football for the year, I have little interest in their offerings anyways.

Brett

Now I have no idea what to think. I just spoke w/ another Comcast customer service rep regarding StarzHD and CinemaxHD, and she had no idea what I was talking about. After checking w/ her supervisor, she said that the addition of these channels has been delayed due to technical difficulties, and they are not sure exactly when they will be added now. True to form for Comcast, this is entirely different from what a different Comcast CSR told me just a half hour previously.

Comcast always seems to screw up launches on these things, and their CSR's never seem to know what is going on. That is the big problem, I have no faith at all in anything they tell me. Now I do not know whether to expect these channels to show up today or not. I almost feel like calling back a third time to see if I get yet another explanation.

Brett

Well, I called back a third time and got yet another explanation. This time the CSR was reading off of an official in office e-mail, so I beleive it a little bit more than the other explanations I got. It stated that StarzHD and CinemaxHD were supposed to be launched January 6th, but have been delayed until January 8th. So, it looks like we will not be seeing these channels until Thursday at the earliest now.

Comcast really needs to get their sh#* together when it comes to communicating with their customers. The messages they send via the US mail and through the cable boxes should match what the CSRs say. And the CSRs should have some idea what is going on, and all say the same thing as opposed to a customer getting three different explanations regarding the same question within an hour. Nobody should have to go through all the hassle that I just did to get a SUPPOSED definitive answer. Very unprofessional.

Brett

Hello Comcast folks...I am from the other side of the tracks (have E*) but a friend of mine wanted me to ask if Comcast is offering HD in Parker. He was told in April of '03 that it would be a year and has not been contacted as to it being available. I thought someone on this thread would be able to help him out.

Thanks for any info.

I may have pposted this earlier (maybe even in this thread), but it's worth repeating. The Comcast CSR HD manual lists the InHD channels as HD PPV channels. To me that is just nuts. When customers have to inform CSRs as to the correct nature of their product offering.

Originally posted by brhow
Well, I called back a third time and got yet another explanation. . . .

Comcast really needs to get their sh#* together when it comes to communicating with their customers.
Brett

Not to start a Comcast CSR bashing thread, but when I called 2 or 3 days ago to make sure I didn't need to do anything to continue getting the HD channels I also asked if the CSR had any updated information on the DVR program. She told me "I think we are partnering with TIVO on that product, you might want to check with TIVO, but I know we don't have the boxes yet to distribute."

Originally posted by whtevr77
Hello Comcast folks...I am from the other side of the tracks (have E*) but a friend of mine wanted me to ask if Comcast is offering HD in Parker. He was told in April of '03 that it would be a year and has not been contacted as to it being available. I thought someone on this thread would be able to help him out.

Thanks for any info.


I'm in Parker (Hidden River neighborhood at Hilltop and Tallman) and have HD through Comcast. I have the channels that are currently listed on the Comcast web site http://comcast.com/Support/ViewCLU.asp?LocResult

Originally posted by lewis-n-clark
I'm in Parker (Hidden River neighborhood at Hilltop and Tallman) and have HD through Comcast. I have the channels that are currently listed on the Comcast web site http://comcast.com/Support/ViewCLU.asp?LocResult

Thanks...I'll pass it on.

Just curious as to others reactions to the Comcast HD picture quality (actually i imagine that HD is HD no matter who/where but figured this is still a good forum for asking). I'm using an older lcd projector with a panamorph (so my "HD" resolution is 1024x780 in 16:9).

The most stunning picture (the one that elicits a "hey, it's almost like looking through a window") comes from the video shorts on INHD (you know, the ones that fly over mountains and amber waves of grain). I haven't really gotten that "looking through a window" vibe on NBC-HD although I haven't watched that much programming. For the most part, the hi-def transfers of movies on HBO-HD and Showtime-HD just look very film-like, which I makes sense since they are, duh, films.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious here.

Well... StarzHD and CinemaxHD are now on available on 661 and 662. It appears that even their in official in office e-mails can't get it right. I haven't had a chance to look at the quality of these channels or their programming yet.
I have a Comcast tech coming out today because I have a low signal to noise ratio causing breakups in the digital pic. I'll ask him about the DVR situation and if/when the DVI will be activated. (Not that I will believe a word he says.)

I have been checking out the picture quality of Starz and Cinemax HD.
To me they look just as good as HBO and Showtime, it also looks like there is some good programing.
I am very happy with Comcast adding more HD content - CBS and now these two movie channels - way to go !

Jeff

Does anyone know if/when Comacast will start charging for the premium HD channels (Showtime, Cinemax, etc.)? I'm at work right now so I can't tell you if I'm recieving the new Starz and Cinemax channels - do I have to currently have the "package" that includes Cinemax to get the HD channel? Right now I only have the Silver package that includes HBO and Starz but I have been recieving Showtime HD for the past few months. Will this channel go away if I don't order it?
Thanks!
-Nate

Does anyone know when the new Moto HD boxes with the DVI port will be available? Also what menu setting is everyone using for normal analog viewing (480i, 480p or is it set to off) ?

Does anyone know when the new Moto HD boxes with the DVI port will be available? Also what menu setting is everyone using for normal analog viewing (480i, 480p or is it set to off) ?

I have noticed that each setting has it's perks.

480i
The picture on normal analog TV is as you would expect, however on my TV I have noticed occasional glitches. Sometimes these glitches appear as often as every 10 seconds. Basically a few lines of the video are "shifted" for a few fields. Switching to 480p fixed this. Anyone else experience this or is it just me? I've actually had my box replaced (for another reason) and I still saw it with the new box.

480p
Twitter becomes a huge problem on some channels. Avalanche games are nearly unwatchable. The score bumper flickers so badly that it gives me a headache.

Off basically just instructs the cable box to leave the signal untouched, so 99.9% of the time you will be getting 480i. I think PBS broadcasts some 480p stuff on the HD feed, anyone care to confirm that?

Originally posted by ncopt
Does anyone know if/when Comacast will start charging for the premium HD channels (Showtime, Cinemax, etc.)? Thanks!
-Nate

Well, as of this morning, like others, I now have StarzHD and CinemaxHD on channels 661 and 662. My ShowTimeHD is still on channel 650.

I subscribe to HBO and CineMax, so I expected to still have them this morning. I was pleasantly surprised that ShowTimeHD was still on, along with StarzHD.

Also, on my current invoice, there is a $4.95 charge for "HD Tracking".

As hard as it is to say at other times, "Good work Comcast and Thanks!!"

Now bring in the Moto 6200's and life will be even sweeter!!!

Well, as others already have stated, StarzHD & CinemaxHD are operating as of today. I was quite happy to see this when I woke up this morning. My happiness was quickly soured by the realization that both channels were breaking up with audio dropouts every 5 seconds. I had this problem w/ my INHD channels at the initial rollout, and it took 3 weeks of constantly badgering Comcast and in home visits before they figured out it was a head end problem and got it fixed. I actually posted about that earlier in this thread. So I was quite discouraged to see the same problem occuring again, thinking it would be weeks of hassle to get it fixed. I called and pointed out the problem to them while at work, informing them that it was probably a head end issue and of my experience with it last time. I expected it would be quite awhile before it was fixed, but was amazed to find the problem has seemingly been corrected as of this afternoon. Not bad at all......

Others have asked about what hd movie channels people will get with different packages. I am getting Showtime, HBO, Starz, and Cinemax's HD channels. I get HBO and Starz as part of my Digital package, but Cinemax and Showtime are not. It seems that as long as you subscribe to one premium movie channel, you will get all the HD movie channels. Once again, not bad at all.

Even with all the hassle I have had with CSR's and techs, I am pretty pleased w/ Comcast when it comes to HD. It is quite a bargain, and at least for now, they have more programming than any of the competition.

Brett

It seems that as long as you subscribe to one premium movie channel, you will get all the HD movie channels. Once again, not bad at all

I subscribe to no premium channels but I'm now getting all 4 prem. ch. in HD with my HD subscription -- which was to be free until this month.

Also, last month a CSR told me I could drop all digital levels of programing except for HD and I'd pay only for HD plus a box rental fee. I said do it.

My bill came this week, for 12/24 to 1/23. No HD charge yet, but the digital classic still being charged. So I called cust. serv.

This CSR told me -- get ready: she said HD charge is just a $5 box fee and then the level of programming determines what you get in HD. She said if I dropped the lowest level of digital ("digital classic" at $9.95/mo) I wouldn't get either INHDs or ESPN-HD anymore, but I'd get the networks in HD?? And she insisted the prem. channels in HD are available only to a customer who paid for that prem. service.

None of this makes much sense. ESPN is in the basic + expanded analog, so why would it disappear if subscriber doesn't pay for digital classic ("level of service determines what you get in HD")? So I'm hoping she's wrong, esp. about the prem channels, which would be consisent with everyone's experience as reported in this thread.

btw, Comcast swapped ESPN2 to ch 35 and CNBC to ch 46. Comcast scrolling channel guide (ch 51 for me) doesn't have this correct. And the new-look TitanTV.com doesn't have it correct yet.

Here's why you need the digital box to get ESPN-HD.

The FCC has told the cable companies (much to their chagrin) that they can't require customer to subscribe to any certain level of programming to get HD local channels. So Comcast allows you to drop the digital package, but still get the networks in HD. If you want ESPN, InHD, or any other "basic" HD channels, you need to get the digital package from Comcast. Not for any technical reason, but because there's no law against it. Typical cable company gouging.

PORNOMAX!!! It's on channel 662!!! Pornious glory!!!!

Is any of StarzHD content in 16:9? I don't think I've seen any in widescreen. I had only seen some older movies on that channel earlier, so I didn't think too much of it, but when Gangs of New York was on in 4:3, I started to wonder.

Yes, StarzHD does have limited content in 16x9 HD, but not nearly as much as HBO for example. I think they will beef up the 16x9 content in time. They seem to show about 3 movies a day in 16x9 at this point.

One would think that Gangs would have been 16x9 seeing as it was the Starz debut of the film, and it is such a recent movie. I was suprised as well.

Brett

I hate to ask this question for fear of it coming true, but do you think they will pull the plug on the free HD premiums any time soon? I'm hoping to get them through at least february. I have fallen in love really, if they do take them away, I will for sure be subscribing to HBO AND Showtime, but I'd prefer to get them for free for as long as possible. ESPNHD is worthless in my eyes.

Of course you have fallen in love - that had to be part of somebody's plan. I think I will have the same dilemma, although, when you take in consideration the actual number of movies you really want to watch, sometimes the decision to pull the plug (once they've started charging) isn't so hard. We'll see. I would be surprised if the free ride continued much longer, now that some new channels have been added.

And Starz was showing LOTR:TT in 16:9. Excellent!

Is there anywhere that defines what each channel's HD definition is? What I mean by this is something that follows which may or may not be correct which is why I'm asking:

HBO - 1080i
SHO - 1080i
ABC - 720p
etc.

Thanks in advance.

Most HD channels are 1080i. Current exceptions:

ABC - 720p
ESPN - 720p
Fox - 480p (EDTV), with plans to move to 720p for the fall season.

I've heard that Comcast would carry KWGN-HD later in the year.

But, they might start carrying it sooner, if there's enough interest. Please send Comcast an email telling them "We want it NOW!

Sorry if this is the wrong forum ... How can I find if the STB outputs RGBHV for my BarcoGraphics 801? If not, any suggestions? Their techs haven't answered this so far.

I'm also thrilled to hear that they're broadcasting ABC in HD. Comcast's website makes it look like you only get PBS, NBC & FOX, as far as networks.

thanks

Comcast has ABC in HD? Since when?

Comcast does not have ABC in HD. Seeing that as far as I know they don't do any of their NBA games in HD, and they are done with football for the year, I am not that worried about it either.

Brett

dr_mal,
I was actually referring to your post 370 ....
"ABC - 720p"
What else did you mean?
Too bad if it's only SD.

ABC does broadcast in 720p when you can get them. Unfortunately, it isn't available for the vast majority of Denverites. My post was speaking generally about HD channels in this country, not just the channels on Comcast. I should've been more explicit. Sorry 'bout that.

Originally posted by santellavision
I've heard that Comcast would carry KWGN-HD later in the year.

But, they might start carrying it sooner, if there's enough interest. Please send Comcast an email telling them "We want it NOW!


Do you have a good e-mail address for them?

thanks

Anyone heard when Comcast HD will come to Fort Collins?

Reggie

Not that I would ever watch a WB show, but I'd like to add to the HD content, any idea when we're getting it? Channel 2 (no idea what their call letters are) has been bragging about the strongest HD signal, I'd like to see how it looks.

KAlbin:

"Sorry if this is the wrong forum ... How can I find if the STB outputs RGBHV for my BarcoGraphics 801? If not, any suggestions? Their techs haven't answered this so far."

The Comcast box will not output a VGA signal. You will need a transcoder to take the component output and generate RGBHV via a DB15 for your Barco. Best one for the money is made by Key Digital but don't buy it from them. Street price is $279 from a number of companies. I always use Digital Connection. Here's the link to their site and the product:

http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/kdctca3.asp

Hope this helps.

John in Jeffco

Hey Guys,


I'm up in Summit county. Comcast just finished the fiber upgrade a couple months ago. Does anybody kno how long it takes them to roll out HDTV once they finish? Or highspeed internet for that matter!


We are dieing up here.


Thanks

I got my Comcast bill today. On the bill, they list the digital hd channels. Showtime, HBO, Starz and Cinemax all have "premium service written next to them. The others do not.

I had Digital Classic Plus and was getting every thing they offer in HD. They started charging 15.99 each for Cinemax and HBO. I called and asked the CSR for the lowest package possible that would allow me to receive all available HD channels. I was told I could drop to "Digital Classic" but I would still have to pay for both Cinemax and HBO. When I threatened to pull them both. He said he was authorized to offer me 6 months at a 50% discount to keep them both. I said that all I want is the HD versions of these stations but he said that wasn't possible. I mentioned that I was getting Showtime HD without getting (or paying for) the SD versions. He told me that I shouldn't be, and if my bill was audited it would be removed. Does this jive with anyone else's experience?

Originally posted by nu2this
. I mentioned that I was getting Showtime HD without getting (or paying for) the SD versions. He told me that I shouldn't be, and if my bill was audited it would be removed. Does this jive with anyone else's experience?

I too have been getting the 4 prems w/o subscribing to any prem channels. I have "digital classic" pkg. And like nu2this, I've been told I can only get those in HD if I pay the $10-12/mo per premium channel. So I've always assumed that at some time I might lose these as part of the HD package.

The reason I've stayed w/Comcast is that I get these premiums inc. in the HD pkg. I can get all the locals ota and I get ESPN-HD and DiscoveryHD via DirecTV plus the HDNET and HDNETMovies channels which are not on Comcast. OK, Comcast has the two iNHD channels, but I've yet to watch anything on eitherof these -- they have almost nothing of interest.

I'm not sure how we can influence Comcast to continute to inc. these in the HD w/o paying for each separately. I've never subscribed to any of the four and probably wouldn't sign up for any if no longer available in the HD pkg.

Originally posted by JKM
I too have been getting the 4 prems w/o subscribing to any prem channels. I have "digital classic" pkg. And like nu2this, I've been told I can only get those in HD if I pay the $10-12/mo per premium channel. So I've always assumed that at some time I might lose these as part of the HD package.

I think that cable pig (dish ad reference) is more hungry at my house than at JKM's. $10.00 to $12.00 per premium channel? My bill has them at $15.99. I know the CSRs give out different information every time we call but are they charging everyone different amounts now as well? I didn't realize that comcast is like a credit card company and their fees are negotiable.

Has anyone dropped a premium channel and continued to get the HD version? I'm considering dropping HBO and Cinemax just to see if they remain in HD. The CSR said (it's got to be true, right?) that it is only $2.00 to change your level of service so I could add them back if it doesn't work out.

I subscribe to HBO and have a digital package or two (heck, I pay $5.99 a month just to get Tech TV). However, I have never subscribed to Showtime, Skinemax, or Stars but I get the HD versions of those channels at the moment. I keep expecting them to disappear one of these days. I figure that those channels are compensation until they add KMGH (so they can claim to offer all of the locals in HD).

I've also been wondering if they might offer an HD movie package for just the HD movie channels. I'd gladly give up all of those non-HD HBOs and pay my $15.99 for that package.

Tim

As an FYI, I just had Comcast HD installed and they brought me a 6200. Though when I asked the guy about when the 6200's would be offered he had no clue. ;)

But I was looking at it after he left and it's got the Firewire outputs and the DVI connector. Neither one appears to be active yet. It would seem from other threads the firmware version needs to be upgraded to activate those. I cant actually test the DVI, but I couldnt get the Firewire to work with my D-VHS deck.

Anyway, he more or less just dropped off the box and left.. which was fine with me the only thing is offhand I notice the SD analog channels are stretched to fit the screen (not that I'll be watching them anyway). I saw he messed with some setting via the remote for 1080i and such..I'm sure thats the screen that caused the stretching but I cant figure out how he accessed that screen.. for the override settings or whatever it's called.

I presume the 5100 has the same settings.. rather than putz around trying to figure it out, can someone offer up how to access that screen? Must be simple but I didnt find it right off.

With your TV on and your cable box off, hit menu.

Yep, that was it.. thanks bud.

So is the DVR function enabled on your 6200?

My friend just got his 6200 from Comcast. The guy came out, set it up on a 480P only input on his TV, and the 6200 box was setup as 480P output for everything. I guided my friend through changing it to 1080 via the 6200's menu, and moving the component out's to his DTV inputs.
I wonder how many people have gotten these boxes and have them setup for 480P. No wonder some people don't think HD looks that much better than DVD.

Originally posted by GEBrown
So is the DVR function enabled on your 6200?

Well unless I'm getting my model numbers mixed up (which could be because I havent been following any of this stuff too closely), I thought the 6200 is the one with Firewire output bot not a DVR. Mines not a DVR unit. I thought the upcoming box thats a DVR was the 6208.

Which begs the question I suppose, why didnt they just jump from the 5100 to the 6208 and just pass by the 6200.

Or did you mean the DVI output? If thats the case I cant truly test it because I dont have a DVI equipped set. But in other threads it's been stated that that the same firmware version that perhaps enables the Firewire on these, enables the DVI port too. I think they're saying version 7.07 instead of 5.03 which most all markets are still using.

Dan,

You've got the model numbers right. What I'm hoping for, and what I've heard Comcast may be doing elsewhere, is that they wait a few more months and give us the 6408. That one is a dual tuner version of the 6208 PVR.

Tim

Ok cool, Tim. And the 6408 would be great too. I havent been with any cable service for like 15 years. Been using C-band and then DBS. So I dont know what to expect on upgrade paths.

For me, Firewire alone is pretty nice.. unless of course theres gobs of HD they wouldnt let you record that way. But thats probably why at the very least they're starting to offer the Firewire version to allow for some recording of the Network HD stuff at a minimum, if not the premium HD stuff. Course the difference there is a whole nother discussion.

But anyway, I thought the cable co's pretty much agreed to provide for at least that capability beginning like by April 1.

I'm doing tape based HD timeshifting as it is now, for the few things I even care to timeshift, with one of those rare analog HD recorders (has Component input) and it generally works really nice but it doesnt make an absolutely perfect copy nor does it do 5.1.. so just moving up to tape based D-VHS timeshifting would suit me just fine in the meantime since I already have a D-VHS deck anyway.

Now of course I just anxiously await the firmware that enables the Firewire port.

Originally posted by DP1
I thought the 6200 is the one with Firewire output bot not a DVR. Mines not a DVR unit. I thought the upcoming box thats a DVR was the 6208.

Which begs the question I suppose, why didnt they just jump from the 5100 to the 6208 and just pass by the 6200.

Sorry, my bad - I didn't realize they were installing the 6200's and just assumed you had a 6204. I am anxiously awaiting the 6204's - I was previously with Dish and really loved my PVR 501.

I, for one though, would prefer they release the 6204's and not wait for the 6408's which could be many months before they are "debugged".

Originally posted by mayest
Dan,

You've got the model numbers right. What I'm hoping for, and what I've heard Comcast may be doing elsewhere, is that they wait a few more months and give us the 6408. That one is a dual tuner version of the 6208 PVR.

Tim

In Motorola's description of the 6200 it states that.

"The DCT6200
includes an MPEG encoder, making the set-top "PVR-capable" with the
addition of an external 1394 hard disk drive. These enhancements provide an even more compelling, easy-to-use, HDTV and PVR experience for the cable customer."

However. From what I have read on this forum is that the firewire has not be enabled yet. Further more it is speculated that the cable companies will whant to make it device specific so that you can ONLY use "thier" external 1394 hard drive and not just any external firewire hard drive off the shelf resulting in more $'s for them in leasing equipment.

http://broadband.motorola.com/catalog/product_documents/6200data_060403.pdf

Also notice that from the link you gave, dual tuners are standard equipment - that would be nice to have!!!

Originally posted by GEBrown
Also notice that from the link you gave, dual tuners are standard equipment - that would be nice to have!!!

I'll be darned, it does say that the 6200 has dual tuners. However, this site:

http://www.cjhengineering.com/5100faq.htm

Says the 6208 is a single tuner model and that the 6408 is a dual tuner version. I can't find any mention of the 6408 on Motorola's Web site.

Tim

Well like I say, for me the box they've given me is fine I just want the Firewire to function right. In other cities even where they've upgraded the firmware, while it's been enabled the Firewire it's not working right because the people that try recording with it get jacked up recordings. Hopefully still just some sort of beta version and they'll get the kinks out.

If they can enable that feature properly fairly soon they'll prolly have me as a customer for a long time to come. If not, I can just as easily go back to DBS/OTA for my HD as I've been doing for the better part of 4 years.

Not that they'd really care. ;)

On another thread (Denver HDTV Tower) DP1 mentioned that his 6200's firewire was now working. Does anyone have a 6200 and a DVI equipped TV to see if the DVI connection works? Just curious, since I asked Comcast to upgrade my 5100 (they're coming tomorrow). When I called, the CSR said neither firewire nor DVI was enabled, but the first part conflicts with what DP1 mentioned. I guess I'll know the answer soon, but I won't order a DVI switch yet if it's not working.

Yeah cant speak to DVI. The Firewire is working good except theres momentary glitches from time to time with the InHD channels whether you're playing back a recorded segment or even just monitoring it live through Firewire via say the component outputs of the JVC D-VHS deck.

Originally posted by DP1
Yeah cant speak to DVI. The Firewire is working good except theres momentary glitches from time to time with the InHD channels whether you're playing back a recorded segment or even just monitoring it live through Firewire via say the component outputs of the JVC D-VHS deck.

I'd really love to know if the firewire will work with an external hard drive yet.

A few pages back it's mentions that ABC is 720P but I can not find it with my 6200 or see it on Comcast's web site or in their HDTV line up card.

Does ABC HDTV exist in Denver on cable or maybe it's just on OTA?

Thanks,

ABC HD isnt on Comcast yet.. for that matter it's hardly "on" at all. They have an over the air HD signal but it's stupidly low power.

Originally posted by gakon
Does anyone have a 6200 and a DVI equipped TV to see if the DVI connection works? Just curious, since I asked Comcast to upgrade my 5100 (they're coming tomorrow).

Oh well, tech came out and the only 6200 on the truck was not set up for Highlands Ranch, and the main office would not allow it to be reset (however that would be done). I didn't really care to set up another service call (I was home today anyway, so this was no hassle). Anyway, FWIW, the tech mentioned that "even better" boxes would be coming out shortly. I can wait.

From the Denver Tower thread:

Regarding Comcast- We have actually met with them late last week but they could not provide us with a timeline as to when we would actually hit the cable system. As soon as we know I will pass the info along....

Dave M
WB2/KWGN
2-1,2-2

More is better. If you ever happen to call Comcast, let them know which channels you want to see added to their HD lineup - the more requests they get, the more they will work on those channels.

FWIW, Comcast has enabled the DVI port on my MOT 5100 via a firmware upgrade to v. 7.x.

I haven't had a lot of time to compare the DVI signal to the component, but my initial impression is that the DVI image (as viewed through my Sharp Z10K on to a 100" Firehawk screen) has less contrast, less color saturation, and is not noticeably sharper. Disappointing actually...

MiD

How did you get them to do this? What do I need to do to get them to do this to my 5100?

Originally posted by Your User Name:
How did you get them to do this? What do I need to do to get them to do this to my 5100?

Nothing. My understanding is that it was a system wide upgrade sent to the STBs automatically. Your STB has probably been updated too. You can check by going into the setup menu on the 5100.

It's conceivable that the update only went to select areas (I'm in the Parker area), but I can't imagine why Comcast wouldn't send the upgrade to everyone.

Wait... this is Comcast... better retract that last statement ;-)

Anyway, check your STB; I'd bet that your DVI port is good to go!

MiD

Hey you Comcast Users,

I asked this before and I need some answers because I might be joining Comcast.

After the last few days with DirecTV I at least have to consider it.

---------------If there are any of you who have both DirecTV and Comcast I want to know which system looked better on Sunday’s game in HD.

Is there a difference?----------------

I ask because I had several dropouts and for about a quarter or so I had to go NON- HD.

And ------to say the least------that was almost a party buster!

So…if you have both, or have seen both (side/by/side), then talk to me.

Thanks

Originally posted by rightslot
Hey you Comcast Users,

I asked this before and I need some answers because I might be joining Comcast.

After the last few days with DirecTV I at least have to consider it.

---------------If there are any of you who have both DirecTV and Comcast I want to know which system looked better on Sunday’s game in HD.

Is there a difference?----------------

I ask because I had several dropouts and for about a quarter or so I had to go NON- HD.

And ------to say the least------that was almost a party buster!

So…if you have both, or have seen both (side/by/side), then talk to me.

Thanks

Well I don't have DirecTV, but with Comcast, I had dropouts and had to go to regular cable a couple of times myself. Thankfully I did not have a house full of guests.

Originally posted by chile62
Well I don't have DirecTV, but with Comcast, I had dropouts and had to go to regular cable a couple of times myself. Thankfully I did not have a house full of guests.

No DirecTV here, but also no problems with Comcast in Highlands Ranch, other than occasional brief pixelization (probably a Motorola 5100 issue) and the green screen at the end (CBS feed issue).

I live on Capital Hill in Denver and was wondering if anyone in this area has tested their DVI input on there Moto 5100. Does the DVI input look better then the component input and how do the standard analog channels look? Also I have a 6 foot run between my TV and cable box is there any noticeable difference in DVI cable manufactures. Is a $100 monster DVI cable going to give me better video performance then a $10 radio shack cable?

Can't speak for the 5100, but I have the 6200 and see no real difference between DVI and Comp on my Mits 55613.

Originally posted by chile62
Can't speak for the 5100, but I have the 6200 and see no real difference between DVI and Comp on my Mits 55613.

I have the 5100 (and a Samsung HLN507) and am underwhelmed as well. I'm really surprised, because the difference between comp and DVI for DVD was dramatic. :(

I went to a Comcast customer service center this weekend, and I was told that the 620X series was not available in the Denver Metro area. Is this true? Does anyone have such a box? I'd like to replace my 5100 with the 620x series because of the firewire output. If you have a 620X series box can anyone confirm that the firewire is enabled?

Thanks in advance.

Comcast from 84th Ave, Denver installed the 6200 at our house last week.

Originally posted by LaVike
I went to a Comcast customer service center this weekend, and I was told that the 620X series was not available in the Denver Metro area. Is this true? Does anyone have such a box? I'd like to replace my 5100 with the 620x series because of the firewire output. If you have a 620X series box can anyone confirm that the firewire is enabled?

Thanks in advance.

I would think Broomfield is considered the metro area, like Nigel T I had HD cable installed last week and also received the 6200.

Chile62, do you have your 6200 going though to an A/V Receiver?

If so, do you have any crackling or popping noise from the speakers when watching analog and digital channels? Several of us in the area have this problem but not when watching HD.

Originally posted by Nigel T
Chile62, do you have your 6200 going though to an A/V Receiver?



At this point I do not, it just goes to the TV. I am actually using the Logitech Z-680s for my surround sound and untill I pickup an optical cable for my DVD player I won't have a spare input.

Not sure if it would have the same effect, but as a test I'll try running the digital coax from the 6200 to Z-680s.

Originally posted by rightslot

---------------If there are any of you who have both DirecTV and Comcast I want to know which system looked better on Sunday’s game in HD.
Is there a difference?----------------
I ask because I had several dropouts and for about a quarter or so I had to go NON- HD.
And ------to say the least------that was almost a party buster!
So…if you have both, or have seen both (side/by/side), then talk to me.
Thanks

I have both, and s/b/s I think DirecTV is consistently better picture, especially in the 2-digit channels which are analog on Comcast but digital on D-TV. HD channels seem equally outstanding -- just in brief and non-scientific comparisons. Neither has the drop-out problems you described.

I have the Motorola 5100 using the component out for the cable vs. Sony HD-300 for the dish using DVI output, and this might account for video difference. Audio is fine from both and I believe I get Dolby 5.1 when the HD program sends it -- from both sources equally. This is hard to determine because the HD programming is so inconsistent on this. (The SB was in 5.1 but terribly mixed -- both sources the same.)

I like the guide (and the Sony remote) much better on DirecTV. Comcast doesn't have a grid display for program guide and the "favorite" menu is easier to program and to use on DirecTV. I keep Comcast HD now only because it has, for now at least, HD versions of 4 premiums that arrive just for the price of the HD package. Also, Comcast has the two iNHD channels while D-Tv has the two HDNET channels -- I prefer the latter. I get local HD ota, so getting locals in HD via Comcast is not as important to me; it might be very important to viewers that can't get the locals.

If you already get Comcast analog, adding HD is cheap, and if you don't subscribe to the HBO-Starz-Max-ST group, getting them in HD from Comcast is a bargain. Comcast had 3 mo. free and $15 install last fall -- if that's still available, you have very little to use to try it out.

Hope this helps.
JKM

Originally posted by chile62


Not sure if it would have the same effect, but as a test I'll try running the digital coax from the 6200 to Z-680s.

Yep popping noise with regular cable and HD sounds great.

I may need to post this in another thread, but I'll start here:

I have a Sammy HLN617W and HD-931 (DVI), and the 5100 box from Comcast. After hearing about the firmware update (and unsuccessfully trying to get a 6200), I hooked up the 5100 via DVI to the DLP, and it worked! There is a definite PQ improvement. However, there are issues.
I had previously adjusted my DLP's DVI settings using the Avia DVD. But when I started watching HD shows via the 5100 over DVI, the picture was significantly brighter than DVD's through the DVI. I know that there are some issues with the HD931, but the picture was also significantly brighter than the 5100's component output. I was able to turn down the brightness and contrast to get a more normal look to an HD movie on Showtime, but Jay Leno still looked very bright, and had a yellow hue - not really natural. I could probably balance the settings to get a better picture on all channels, but I obviously couldn't use Avia to do this.
I'm wondering if anyone else has had the opportunity to try out the DVI connection and if they've seen something similar, regardless of the TV. Thanks.

Originally posted by gakon
I'm wondering if anyone else has had the opportunity to try out the DVI connection and if they've seen something similar, regardless of the TV. Thanks.

I'm using a SHARP Z10K DLP Projector on a 100" Firehawk screen, and I'm experiencing similar issues.

The 5100s DVI output has less contrast and a higher black level than its Component output. The resulting picture is comparatively washed out looking. Also, the DVI image has a slight tilt towards green. After adjusting the Gamma and Color controls on my pj, I can get a picture from the DVI output that looks (to the eye) like the Component image, but unlike you I don't find the DVI image to be better in any way. I was hoping that the DVI image would be a bit sharper with fewer artifacts, but I do not find this to be the case; to my eye on a 100" screen it looks the same.

There is an issue with DVI signal levels (that I don't fully understand) involving "PC" vs. "Video" DVI digital signals. I believe that it has to do with black level differences, which might explain the washed out image. However, my pj allows me to set the DVI input for PC or Video, and I can see no discernible difference.

MiD

Originally posted by JKM
I have both, and s/b/s I think DirecTV is consistently better picture, especially in the 2-digit channels which are analog on Comcast but digital on D-TV. Hope this helps. JKM

Thanks JKM,

That DID help. I have DirecTV but I just didn't like the way they handled the HD thing with channels 80-81. I had to go thru a lot of mess just to get it turned on.

I'm trying to hang in there until they get all the local HD channels so I don't have to go out and put an antenna on my roof.

(I'm not good on a slippery slope!!)

Thanks

Well I just watched the NHL All-Star game and after watching the Red Wings vs Avs in HD on ESPN on Thursday I was underwhelmed by ABC's SD broadcast. I went the KMGH website and left a note for the GM about it. I doubt it will do much good but with the Oscars and NHL playoffs coming up I hope ABC and Comcast can get it together soon.

PS - Hooked up my 5100 using a DVI cable and it works great. Hopefully the PVR boxes come soon. I'm spoiled by TiVo and aside from sports I seldom schedule time to watch a show in HD.

If it makes you feel better. It took 3 calls and 1 1/3 periods for KMGH to flip the switch to HD for today's game.

BTW, I heard that McGraw the owner of KMGH has 3 ABC stations that they are negotiating with Comcast about HD carriage. McGraw wants all three or none.

DVI Cable For Moto 5100?

I just wanted to see what kind of DVI cable everyone is using from there Moto 5100 to their TV . I am trying to decide if I should spend over a $100 for a dvi cable from bettercables.com or just buy a $10 generic cable off of ebay or dose Comcast provide this cable to us for free. Also did anyone have to re-calibrate their TV after switching connections?

I just wanted to see what kind of DVI cable everyone is using from there Moto 5100 to their TV . I am trying to decide if I should spend over a $100 for a dvi cable from bettercables.com or just buy a $10 generic cable off of ebay or dose Comcast provide this cable to us for free. Also did anyone have to re-calibrate their TV after switching connections?

I am not a home theater "expert," but I am a computer scientist so I know a thing or two about digital information. Unless the $10 bargain cable is absolute crap or you have a lot of interference, there should be absolutely NO difference. Digital signals aren't subject to the same sensitivity as analog signals. A little bit of noise on the line isn't going todegrade anything since the receiver of the data can still tell what all the ones and zeros are even if the level isn't perfect.

That's not to say that a crappy cable won't ruin your signal, but it's generally not going to make the picture "better." I would expect that you will see break ups and such if your cable sucks and you are getting too much interference, but it's not like a better cable is going to improve black levels or color information.

It's a common falacy to think that you need good cabling for digital signals over short distances. When I need a digital cable of any kind I always buy the cheapest I can find and return it if I have problems.

Anyone care to prove me wrong/right?

entrager


Thanks for the info. You have saved me a lot of money. With such a price difference between different dvi cables you would think that there is some benefit to buying a more expensive cable, I guess not. I think once everything goes digital high priced cable companies will go out of business since it wont matter what type of cables you use.

So has anyone that has made the switch to DVI noticed a big improvement? My PQ with DVI is more or less indistinguishable from that of component.

So has anyone that has made the switch to DVI noticed a big improvement?

As mentioned above, I think it did help on my DLP, once I adjusted for the increased brightness. I haven't spent enough time looking at details to give specifics. I'm ordering a couple of cables from Pacific Cable, and the switch between DVD and cable box will be easier once I have them.

At last, iNHD has something that makes the Comcast pkg of value vs. DirecTV.

I note that Titan (www.titantv.com) show both the NBA slam dunk and 3pt contest (Sat. 6pm) and the all-star game (Sun 6pm) scheded on iNHD. Usually HDNet get the good sports stuff in HD, but this time the NBA all-star weekend (on TNT in SD) is on the Comcast-only iNHD. Enjoy, and kudos to Comcast. (Next year NBA All-star weekend is in Denver.)

I thought the DBS co's were going to be showing that NBA all star weekend HD stuff on their "special events" HD channels.

Originally posted by DP1
I thought the DBS co's were going to be showing that NBA all star weekend HD stuff on their "special events" HD channels.

Neither DirecTV web site or TitanTV.com show NBA weekend on this DBS. -- Maybe E*? I don't subscribe there.

D* does show NBA Sat. night on their subscription NBA channel (601), but it's delayed, won't be HD, and is only avail. to those who buy their equiv. of the Sunday Ticket for NBA, whatever that's called.

I was referring to this thread in the HD Programming forum.. Initially it was a PR for InHD carrying it then on the bottom of page 1 it looks like Ken H. mentioned D* and E* too:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=351479&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Dan - The AVS HD Programming forum indeed has writer reporting it will be on ch 85 from D* --- but D* web site says "Seabiscuit" movie on ch 85 at time of All* game. www.directv.com programming guide shows delivery of the game and Sat. night slam/3pt on only the NBA special subscription (ch 601) and on TNT, both in SD. I did not turn on my box to check my DBS p.g.

I hope Ken H. is right for those w/o cable....

Can someone give me a rundown on Comcast HD in Denver? I hit a few of the pages of this thread but I'm having a hard time piecing it all together.

Is HD available with analog cable service if you have a your own HD tuner and does the tuner have to be a QAM tuner or will an ATSC tuner work? If so, what package do you have to subscribe to and what HD channels are included? Any additional charges for this HD service?

If you get digital cable and use the Comcast HD box what is the cost and what channels are included? Can anyone speak to the quality of the SD channels on the 5100... I've heard it's worse than the old SD digital cable box.

Has the HD PVR been released yet (I think it was the 6208)?

Any more word on the Local channels that aren't yet available?

Thanks,
Alan

Originally posted by BigAl
Can someone give me a rundown on Comcast HD in Denver? I hit a few of the pages of this thread but I'm having a hard time piecing it all together.

Is HD available with analog cable service if you have a your own HD tuner and does the tuner have to be a QAM tuner or will an ATSC tuner work? If so, what package do you have to subscribe to and what HD channels are included? Any additional charges for this HD service?

If you get digital cable and use the Comcast HD box what is the cost and what channels are included? Can anyone speak to the quality of the SD channels on the 5100... I've heard it's worse than the old SD digital cable box.

Has the HD PVR been released yet (I think it was the 6208)?

Any more word on the Local channels that aren't yet available?

Thanks,
Alan

Hey BigAl, I can answer some of your questions.

I have the Mits 55613 and with the built in tuner was able to pick up most of the Comcast HD programs. But it was a pain, had to pick through a lot of blank channels. Plus with my Mits if I tuned into HBO-HD and then tried to change to another channel it would trip the protective circuit in my tv and shut off.

The cost of the HD box and service is $4 a month. Then what channels are available depends on what level you subscribe to. I have digital plus and HBO for the 1$ trial. I get Channels 4, 9, 6, IND and INHD2, Fox, ShowtimeHD, HBOHD, StarzHD, MaxHD, ESPNHD.

I use an indoor Silver sensor to pickup WB2.

The HD cable box I have is the 6200, for me SD depends on the program. For the regular cable I get a better picture if I don't run it thru the cable box.

Wonder if anyone here is having or has had a problem with channels 650 (ShowtimeHD) and 664 (InHD)?? Sometimes, I can get a picture but I get a bunch of "tiling" (this is the way Comcast describes it) and other times, it just says "Please wait, this channel should be available shortly". Just had five technicians here and they made some adjustments and it appears to be better now but it was like this on Saturday after they left and over time it got worse. Just hoping that someone out there has experienced this problem and has some idea what they did to fix it...

I have both and rarely get "tiling". But when they installed my hd box the installer had to run new cable from the junction box to my house.

Originally posted by soccerdad
Wonder if anyone here is having or has had a problem with channels 650 (ShowtimeHD) and 664 (InHD)??

Not with Showtime, but last night one of the InHD's was pretty bad - almost like it would freeze for a second, then recover (stutter). Both appear to be fine now, although the guide for InHD is wrong.

Last night the kids were trying to watch Kangaroo Jack on HBO HD but it kept loosing audio and the picture was freezing up a little as well. First time I have seen a HD channel go bad.

Originally posted by Nigel T
Last night --------- First time I have seen a HD channel go bad.

Well Nigel,

You should plan on seeing more of that. Not all the time, but it should and will happen.

After all, even though you are on CABLE, you are still receiving your image via dish. In this case a giant dish. It is still beamed from somewhere to a central spot then out again, split NUMEROUS TIMES, and then to your local cable operator.

THEN TO YOU-----And your neighbors.

Then of course up in the wild blue yonder, an asteroid here or there, some weather conditions here or there. I’m using DirecTV (and it is really the same) actually we are lucky we don’t have it more often.

Does anyone have any idea why I can't get audio to record when I record from my Motorola 5100 to a VCR? I get video fine, but it doesn't have the accompanying audio. I've tried multiple cables and connections and still no luck.

YUN,
Are you just hooking up a video cable or are you also hooking up RCA audio cables?

If you are only using composite or svideo you won't get sound.

I'm sure you already know this, but sometimes its the simple things. :)

On another subject dealing with COMCAST, has anyone successfully gotten their 5100 replaced with a 620X series box. I'd love to try the firewire recording to my HTPC.

I have tried RCA cables (the yellow for video, red & white for audio) and also the "cable" out (is that called composite?). I thought of this this morning. Do I have to disconnect the wires hooked from the 5100 to my TV and AV reciever in order to have the outs to the VCR work? In other words, does having audio outs connected to one source diabled the outputs for other sources?

That probably depends on the brand and model of your VCR. I would try it first. I'm not sure if there is a way of telling your 5100 which outputs to use or if they are all active either.

Originally posted by LaVike
I'm not sure if there is a way of telling your 5100 which outputs to use or if they are all active either.

I use all the outputs from the 5100 and they all output (a and v) all the time.

The graphics display (user guide, info each channel, etc), however, is not sent to all outputs. That is determined by user selection of what format is to be output. This format menu is reached by turning the power off on the 5100 (while it's still connected to power outlet) and then pushing the MENU button. There is a chart in the 5100 manual explaining what formats get graphics display.

YUN: To trouble shoot your no-audio problem, have you simply connected the 5100 direct, bypassing the VCR, to make sure 5100 not defective? If you get a a channel and video, you should get the audio out of the RCA plugs analog, the optical digital, and the RF (coax cable) marked VCR/TV at lower left of the rear of the box.

I have both the component video (and accompanying RCA audio), the DVI video, and the optical audio out all in use on my 5100, and all of the outputs do function. I have verified that the audio works simultaneously by getting audio through both the TV speakers and the receiver at the same time. More importantly, I have been able to record from the 5100 onto my VCR using just the cable out connection.

Originally posted by LaVike
On another subject dealing with COMCAST, has anyone successfully gotten their 5100 replaced with a 620X series box. I'd love to try the firewire recording to my HTPC.

Beware: the CSR's will tell you that you can take your 5100 and exchange it for a 6200 at any Comcast office. I did this (Iowa and Acoma office in Denver) and was told "we don't have any HD boxes here, ever.... you must schedule a service call to upgrade your HD stb...." Much wasted time in disconnecting and reconnecting the box. :mad:

I didn't care about fw connection and I already use all my DVI projector inputs, so the 6200 not important enough to wait for -- and probably pay for -- a s.c. to get this box upgrade.

gakon

How are you able to get the RCA audio out next to your component outputs to work. Did you have to set something up in your menu settings to do this? I would like to have sound come out of my TV speakers as well as my receiver. I have tried connecting the RCA output on the 5100 to my TV's RCA audio input next to its component input and I still get no sound. Currently I am using the component video out and the optical audio out on my 5100.

Originally posted by BBYRNE
How are you able to get the RCA audio out next to your component outputs to work.

I don't recall doing anything special. Admittedly, the Comcast tech is the one who set it up, but the only thing he did was in the Menu, under audio options. I went back and played with these to try and block the sound coming from the TV, but I was not able to do so (current settings are Yes/Advanced/Heavy/Stereo - although I could not change the "Yes"). I already know the answer, but I have to ask - are you using the RCA audio out jacks on the bottom row of the 5100 vs. the audio in on the top row? Have you tried connecting the RCA audio out to your receiver to see if you can get audio through that path? If so, then the problem would not be with your 5100 but with your TV. If you got the box from Comcast, I would call them and have a tech come out with a new one.

Originally posted by gakon
I may need to post this in another thread, but I'll start here:

I have a Sammy HLN617W and HD-931 (DVI), and the 5100 box from Comcast. After hearing about the firmware update (and unsuccessfully trying to get a 6200), I hooked up the 5100 via DVI to the DLP, and it worked . . .

gakon -

I've had a 6200 since January (lucked out that HD wasn't available in my area until Comcast upgraded the boxes) and thought the component connection was as good as my OTA Samsung box. When the firmware upgrage went, I got a DVI cable and hooked the 6200 up to my HLN467W. I too noticed that the contrast and brightness were higher. I haven't noticed the color problems you describe. However, if I do, I'll play around in the service menu to see if things need to be changed there (gamma, etc.)

I'm interested in getting Comcast cable but I was wondering what, in addition to programming charges, do they charge? What are people in Denver paying for taxes, franchise fee, etc.? Thanks.

In Littleton I pay a total of $00.65 in "taxes and fees". It's .25 for State tax, .03 for County tax, .05 for FCC Fee, and .32 for License Fee.

I suppose in part that might be based on how much the actual bill for services is.. which in my case is 20.19 (13.44 for Basic cable and 6.75 for the so called HDTV Package which includes HD STB and remote).

Originally posted by zanaberry
I'm interested in getting Comcast cable but I was wondering what, in addition to programming charges, do they charge? What are people in Denver paying for taxes, franchise fee, etc.? Thanks.

I'm in Denver, and I have digital cable (two boxes) and high speed internet. My cable and internet bill is $131.82 plus taxes and fees of $9.04. I have no idea if those taxes and fees are fixed dollar amounts or based on a percentage of the monthly charges.

Tim

I had Cable and high speed internet installed yesterday. The HD looks spectacular on my 30HS510! DVI was enabled on my box. Honestly, I couldnt tell the difference between the DVI and the Component inputs on my set. I am going to leave the Bravo on the DVI and just run Comp out from the Moto box.

Last night I did see some pixelation and freezes that reminded me of my Direct TV days. Hopefully this wont happen too often.

Originally posted by orbillius

Last night I did see some pixelation and freezes that reminded me of my Direct TV days. Hopefully this wont happen too often.

It happens to me on hd channels about 4 to 8 times an hour. Loosing the picture and sound for just a second can be pretty annoying when it comes at key times during a broadcast. Comcast came out and lowered my signal and it helped a little, but at times my wife would rather watch the SD version to avoid the problem.

Do the rest of you have this problem to this degree? I'm using the 5100 stb. I've been wondering an upgrade to the 6208 would help.

Do the rest of you have this problem to this degree? I'm using the 5100 stb. I've been wondering an upgrade to the 6208 would help.

Sounds identical to my problems. I was getting breakups at about the same rate with the 5100. The cable guy also lowered my signal, but I'm not really sure it helped.

I just moved into a different apartment (in the same complex) and the problem seems to be a lot better, but I haven't watched too much TV since moving so I'm not sure yet.

Not that they'd really care.

I would immediately fire any CSR that caused me to lose a moulet as customer!!

Originally posted by nu2this
It happens to me on hd channels about 4 to 8 times an hour. Loosing the picture and sound for just a second can be pretty annoying when it comes at key times during a broadcast. Comcast came out and lowered my signal and it helped a little, but at times my wife would rather watch the SD version to avoid the problem.

Do the rest of you have this problem to this degree? I'm using the 5100 stb. I've been wondering an upgrade to the 6208 would help.

Hmm...I have the 6200 and rarely get pixeliation. Usually if I do it is brief. The worst was the Superbowl, unwatchable at times. Had some trouble with the Peter Gabriel concert on HD2 about a week ago.

Anyone having Comcast Channel issues on their 6200. I'm getting "one moment please this channel available shortly" on Starz and Cinemax HD.

Greg

Same here. KCNC was also gone for a while, came back, and left again. I haven't checked in a while. Also one of the InHd's dropped out.

I did call, but the CSR had no specific information. I tried to press him about new additions to the HD lineup, but he didn't help there either.

Same issues here, though I have a 5100 box. I'm missing Showtime, KCNC, Starz, Cinemax, and InHD 1. One of these days I will lose those pay channels since I don't subscribe. I just hope its not today.

Hopefully, the pay channels will continue to be free until KMGH is available. That way, I'll get them for a good long time!:D

Perhaps the problems were due to the snow affecting Comcast's dishes? Not sure where they are located, but lots of snow here around the time the signals were lost.

Ok, guess it's my turn to have trouble with Comcast tonight. Just curious if anyone else is having problems.

Some channels are out and some are fine, internet comes and goes as well.

No problems down in HR.

Some flakiness in Littleton tonight too.

Had a 5 minute outage on the local stations in Aurora.

Starz HD and Cinemax HD have been out for a while today. The rest seem OK.

My cable TV was down twice, once at about 5:30pm and again at 6:20 (but only digital cable was out the second time). Internet service was down from 5:30 until sometime after 9:30 for me. The Comcast Internet CSR was clueless anything was wrong when I called at 5:45. I'm in Eastern Centennial (South of Aurora).

Has KRMA on HD changed? Previously, the channel display read "KRMA", now it reads "KRMAD". Also, the Comcast guide is now correct - it never used to match when there was a separate HD program on channel 656 vs. channel 6. There also seem to be fewer "HD demo" programs and more "real" PBS programs.

Any word on a STRICTLY HD special package? It's official, they win. I can't live without my HBO and Showtime, I will buy them separately if I have to, but Ideally I could get JUST their HD channels for $15 total a month.

Originally posted by gakon
Has KRMA on HD changed? Previously, the channel display read "KRMA", now it reads "KRMAD". Also, the Comcast guide is now correct - it never used to match when there was a separate HD program on channel 656 vs. channel 6. There also seem to be fewer "HD demo" programs and more "real" PBS programs.

I believe this change in the Comcast guide just happened. I am sure it was still just KRMA yesterday. Big improvement since it is hard to get the PBS HD schedule anywhere else.

Originally posted by policy
Any word on a STRICTLY HD special package? It's official, they win. I can't live without my HBO and Showtime, I will buy them separately if I have to, but Ideally I could get JUST their HD channels for $15 total a month.

I'm pretty sure that if you subscribe to a single pay channel that you get ALL the HD channels. For example, I subscribe to HBO and Cinemax, but I get ShowtimeHD as well as the InHD's and ESPNHD - and the locals.

My two cents

Are you folks generally pleased with Comcast service and PQ (and in particular their HD service)? I'm currently a DirecTV sub but curious about Comcast and possibly dropping D*. I still have to research their offerings and packages but if anyone has any suggestions I'm listening. If I decided to try Comcast should I be asking for a particular STB or is it just take what they give? Is the guide worth a darn?

does anyone know if DVI is active for Comcast in Denver? And should I use it? I have the sony KF-42we610. Thanks

Originally posted by mikem74
does anyone know if DVI is active for Comcast in Denver? And should I use it? I have the sony KF-42we610. Thanks

It works on my MOT 5100. FWIW, the component connection looks as good or better than the DVI with my setup.

Originally posted by mjmbond
It works on my MOT 5100. FWIW, the component connection looks as good or better than the DVI with my setup.

That's good...I have the DVI slot free, no component(Xbox & DVD player). Does comcast supply the DVI cable?

Geof - I think you'll find opinions will very from area to area. I had Comcast HD installed right before the Superbowl. Frankly that's the most trouble I've had with HD. Parts of the Superbowl were unwatchable, but I think my experience was local for I have not heard much from anyone else about it.

Aside from that I have been pretty satisfied. Watched all the Daytona 500 in HD and I am not really a race fan. The only other complaint I have is
Comcast getting off their rears and getting WB and KMGH HD.

As for packages I have the digital plus and temporaly HBO for a $1 more. The promo for HBO is about to run out and we won't keep it. With this the HD channels we currently get are Showtime, HBO, KUSA, KCNC, KDVR, KRMA, SZHD, Max, INHD1 & 2 and ESPN.

The guide is ok, but I much prefer Beyond TV's guide on my HTPC.

Originally posted by mjmbond
It works on my MOT 5100. FWIW, the component connection looks as good or better than the DVI with my setup.

Same here, I see no difference on my Mits either.

At the time Comcast did my install they did not have DVI cables.

Has anyone heard an update on when the local system upgrade will be complete???

Apparently, this is required before we can get DVR or Video on Demand which are available in other markets.

I have E* with a PVR 501 plus Comcast. The E* is at the minimum subscription so that we can still have recording (can't live without it).

I plan on canceling E* once Comcast releases DVR but all these delays are making me reconsider another route and canceling Comcast.

Originally posted by kkelley
Has anyone heard an update on when the local system upgrade will be complete???

Apparently, this is required before we can get DVR or Video on Demand which are available in other markets.

I have E* with a PVR 501 plus Comcast. The E* is at the minimum subscription so that we can still have recording (can't live without it).

I plan on canceling E* once Comcast releases DVR but all these delays are making me reconsider another route and canceling Comcast.

I have not heard anything new, but since we were one of the last ones to get "High Speed Internet" upgrade (3Mb) I don't expect it too soon. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by chile62
Geof - I think you'll find opinions will very from area to area. I had Comcast HD installed right before the Superbowl. Frankly that's the most trouble I've had with HD. Parts of the Superbowl were unwatchable, but I think my experience was local for I have not heard much from anyone else about it.

Aside from that I have been pretty satisfied. Watched all the Daytona 500 in HD and I am not really a race fan. The only other complaint I have is
Comcast getting off their rears and getting WB and KMGH HD.

As for packages I have the digital plus and temporaly HBO for a $1 more. The promo for HBO is about to run out and we won't keep it. With this the HD channels we currently get are Showtime, HBO, KUSA, KCNC, KDVR, KRMA, SZHD, Max, INHD1 & 2 and ESPN.

The guide is ok, but I much prefer Beyond TV's guide on my HTPC. Thanks for the info Chile. It will help me evaluate my options.

We have DISH now and are thinking about switching to comcast for a cheaper HD and PVR solution (leasing vs. buying + the $400 trade in promotion.) I have some questions for you folks.

What is the best way to get a 6200 or 6208 box? We don't mind adding the external HDD, but we must be able to get PVR. Don't want the 5100, how can we get the one we want for sure?

Is the 6208 box available in Denver now?

Comcast's website is extremely confusing, what exactly do you pay for HD content and what do you get? They have a $56 HDTV package and a $68 silver medal package + $5 for HDTV, what's the difference?

Many thanks to any that can help.

Talked to the folks at Comcast and decided to give it a shot. Requested a 6200, but the CSR had no idea what it meant. I had her make a note that customer wants a 6200 box, but we'll see if that means anything or not.

So how can I tell a 5100 from a 6200 motorola? On the website they looked identical to me. What's the easiest way to tell?

Originally posted by zot23
We have DISH now and are thinking about switching to comcast for a cheaper HD and PVR solution (leasing vs. buying + the $400 trade in promotion.) I have some questions for you folks.

What is the best way to get a 6200 or 6208 box? We don't mind adding the external HDD, but we must be able to get PVR. Don't want the 5100, how can we get the one we want for sure?

Is the 6208 box available in Denver now?

Comcast's website is extremely confusing, what exactly do you pay for HD content and what do you get? They have a $56 HDTV package and a $68 silver medal package + $5 for HDTV, what's the difference?

Many thanks to any that can help.

I don't' think the 6208 is available yet.

As far as getting a 6200, I would just demand it from the CSR who signs you up. If they really want you to switch over from Dish they should be able to guarantee it. I don't know if I just got lucky in getting the 6200 or if they have switched to them in the whole Metro.

Trying to figure out the packages is a mess, most CSRs can't even give you straight answer. My cable bill wo internet is approx $55, kinda hard figure from the bill. :rolleyes:

I have not seen the 5100 so I am not much help there. The model is on the bottom of my box and I would hope your installer knows the difference.

So doing a little more research on the forum, it seems the 6200 has a DVI output and the 5100 does not. So maybe I just flip the box over and look for a DVI plug?

Since we have DISH right now, pretty much if the installer has a 6200 we switch, if it's a 5100 no dice. Like you say chile, the best chance you've got at getting what you want is before you pay up :) I've dealt with Comcast before long ago...

Originally posted by zot23
So doing a little more research on the forum, it seems the 6200 has a DVI output and the 5100 does not. So maybe I just flip the box over and look for a DVI plug?

Since we have DISH right now, pretty much if the installer has a 6200 we switch, if it's a 5100 no dice. Like you say chile, the best chance you've got at getting what you want is before you pay up :) I've dealt with Comcast before long ago...

I have the MOT 5100, it DOES have a DVI port and it is enabled. It's my understanding that the 6200 series adds a FireWire port.

Originally posted by mjmbond
I have the MOT 5100, it DOES have a DVI port and it is enabled. It's my understanding that the 6200 series adds a FireWire port.

Do you have firewire ports on the 5100?

Originally posted by chile62
Do you have firewire ports on the 5100?

No. As I said, I believe that the 6200 series adds the FW port.

Originally posted by mjmbond
No. As I said, I believe that the 6200 series adds the FW port.

Well your quite correct then, my 6200 does have firewire ports. So zot23 you now have an easy way to tell the two apart.

Did I have my settings wrong, or were none of the games during the day today in HD? I missed any evening games (after about 6 pm), but I was surprised that none of the day games were even in 16:9.

Originally posted by gakon
Did I have my settings wrong, or were none of the games during the day today in HD? I missed any evening games (after about 6 pm), but I was surprised that none of the day games were even in 16:9. First round HD games were scheduled for 3/19 and 3/21. So there weren't any on Saturday.

Has anyone in the downtown Denver area subscribed to VOOM TV. From what I have heard about it you can get every channel plus 30 HDTV channels for only $79.00 a month. But I think you may have to buy a Dish and a hd receiver. I just want to know if anyone has this service and if the PQ is better then comcast. Below is a link to the site.

www.voom.com

Anyone having any service problems w/Comcast since the NAS-DAC conversion? They were supposedly completing the work on Wed 3/24. (I had signed on as new customer on 3/17). Since then -

1. 3/17 - No digital channels the first few days (HD and analog worked). Tech checked signal strength (good) and redid a few connectors / splitters.

2. 3/19 - Downgraded my box to regular digital until the 'upgrade' was complete

3. 3/25 - Upgraded back to DCT6200 box. Now the on-screen-guide lists all as "to be announced". And HBO on 14 and 551 have dropped out - "This channel will be available in 5 minutes" yeah right..

4. 3/25 - Called Comcast again....the 6200 won't accept a signal over the line from the Customer Serv rep, so they need to send out a tech (AGAIN!)

They are chalking up all these 'quirks' to the upgrade. I'm so glad I could be their test case....

<sigh>

Wondering if anyone else is having these problems or is it me?!? I'm in eastern Boulder County. My TV is Sammy HLN507W, using component connection.

Satellite is starting to sound appealing..

Thanks in advance....looking forward to participating on this forum, just discovered in the last couple of days...

Ken

Originally posted by KenG
Anyone having any service problems w/Comcast since the NAS-DAC conversion?
Ken

No problems in Highlands Ranch, but I am not aware if the conversion took place in this area. I did notice about that time (3/24) that I now get a lot more digital cable channels than I did previously, but mostly stuff I don't really watch - a lot of Spanish channels, a few more music channels, etc. I have a 5100.

Since I'm posting, has anyone heard any rumors about new HD channels? Here are the ones that I'd like to see:

KWGN/WB
TNT, when it becomes available in May
Discovery HD
KMGH/ABC (maybe the new Lookout Mountain issues will prompt them to get more serious in discussions with Comcast)

I know there are other HD channels out there, but these would be tops on my list.

I did notice about that time (3/24) that I now get a lot more digital cable channels than I did previously, but mostly stuff I don't really watch - a lot of Spanish channels, a few more music channels, etc.

Thanks for the info, gakon.

I noticed some new channels also...and some appeared to have moved around (comparing with the channel lineup on the Comcast website).

Anyone have a good source (online or homemade) of the Denver-area Comcast channel guide, including analog, Digital (I have D. Silver Classic), and HD channels? Other than the on-screen guide of course :-)

thanks,

Ken

I have another question for you all, how does the 5100/6200 handle mixed channel stretching (between 16:9 HD and 4:3 SD?)

My Mitsubishi RPTV has a standard mode and a stretched mode (that we prefer for 4:3 material.) Does the comcast box add side bars to the 4:3 channels or does it output both in native format and let the TV sort it out?

Thanks...