So what exactly is the deal with 712?

Yesterday the guide said the Knicks pre-season game was on at 7, but when I flipped to it, i got the message that 712 was part of a subscription service, call to activate, blah blah blah. Which was odd because I'm currently receiving every single premium and HD channel with my new box.

I'm wondering if I'll get the Isles/Rangers game tonight (although I think I saw it's also on INHD or HDNet or one of those...bear with me while I learn the channels :)

I'm wondering if I'll get the Isles/Rangers game tonight (although I think I saw it's also on INHD or HDNet or one of those...bear with me while I learn the channels :)

tonight's Isles/Rangers game is on MSG-HD & tomorrow's is on HDNet

If working, that's great news and I can finally go HDMI. So, are you going HDMI ----> HDMI on the TV and optical or Coax to a receiver w/ surround speakers, and if so, do you notice any lag-type issues between the sound and picture?

I can now confirm that this WORKS on my 8300. I am running HDMI from the 8300 direct to my Sony KDF-50WE655 RP LCD, and using the optical out port to run cable directly to my surround sound receiver. So far, no lag or sync up issues.

tonight's Isles/Rangers game is on MSG-HD & tomorrow's is on HDNet

So getting back to the first part of my questions, "what's the deal" with MSGHD. As I said, 712 was showing as a subscription channel on my tv last night.

So getting back to the first part of my questions, "what's the deal" with MSGHD. As I said, 712 was showing as a subscription channel on my tv last night.

That’s odd. Did you check back after the game started or just that one time at 7 pm? I put the game on around 8:45 PM, 712, glorious HD baby. The Knicks, they weren’t too glorious but it was so great to finally see them on MSG on TW, in HD.

I can now confirm that this WORKS on my 8300. I am running HDMI from the 8300 direct to my Sony KDF-50WE655 RP LCD, and using the optical out port to run cable directly to my surround sound receiver. So far, no lag or sync up issues.

I am getting audo from my 8300HD HDMI To my sony xbr960 Optical out to my Denon AV4608 and now i get DD5.1 :cool:

So getting back to the first part of my questions, "what's the deal" with MSGHD. As I said, 712 was showing as a subscription channel on my tv last night.
This happened a lot with the yankees on 708, you just have to keep checking back during the game and eventually they'll flip the switch.

That’s odd. Did you check back after the game started or just that one time at 7 pm? I put the game on around 8:45 PM, 712, glorious HD baby. The Knicks, they weren’t too glorious but it was so great to finally see them on MSG on TW, in HD.

Hmm...I honestly don't remember, but I'm fairly sure I checked back well after the start of the game.

We'll see what happens for tonight's hockey game...I'd hate to miss it :(

completely off topic but muti-room DVR looks to be available in TWC Florida, don't know if it SD, HD or both being offered.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/swfla/products/dvr/multiroomdvr.html


and Caller ID on TV is being offered in TWC San Antonio.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/sanantonio/products/digitalphones/calleridontv.html

and Movies On Demand-HD is available to places like San Diego, Minnesota & San Antonio.

All you need to know on MR-DVR

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000070036653/

Read some of the reader comments at the end of the review.

completely off topic but muti-room DVR looks to be available in TWC Florida, don't know if it SD, HD or both being offered.
and Caller ID on TV is being offered in TWC San Antonio.
and Movies On Demand-HD is available to places like San Diego, Minnesota & San Antonio.

Multi room DVR sounds fantastic; I can’t wait for that to get here but as far as caller ID on my screen, not for me. I find phones to be intrusive enough. I certainly would not want to see it on my screen too.
Movies on Demand in HD are always good but I prefer to see the other three categories up and running first—
-The “free” channels – UPN, WB.
-The “premium” channels -TMC, Starzz, etc.
-The others- Universal, FSN, ESPN 2, etc.
Make use of the bandwidth with these first then give us MOD.

"There has been no official release of MSG HD appearing on any provider other than Cablevision as of this time. There were talks of extending the MSG HD signal to other cable providers, however there were some problems in getting the correct signal to them in a way that worked for both parties. I do not know if this is a permanent change as of now on your channel lineup or simply a test that the two companies are running. If and when MSG-HD becomes available on TWC or any other cable provider other than Cablevision, a formal release and array of news coverage will follow, and your service provider will be able to offer you detailed information. Sorry I could not offer more accurate information at this time. Enjoy the games."

I think its safe to say that it's still in testing.

My Email:

Mr. Dressler

I'm glad that TWC of NYC has finally added Madison Square Garden Network (MSG-HD). My self and others are looking forward to FSN-HD to be added.

From what I hear from yourself and others WB-HD, UPN-HD, UNIVERSAL-HD, ESPN2-HD, STARZ-HD, CINEMAX-HD & TMC-HD are close to having deals and hopefully can be added around Q1 of 2006.

Can't understand why Movies on Demand-HD is available in markets such as San Diego, Minnesota & San Antonio but not in NYC?

I read somewhere that Switched Broadcast technology was successfully tested in Texas and that their could be a National rollout in 2006, Is this true and when will it be available for NYC.

Seems like TWC is promising a lot of HD content, will it be able to deliver newly announced channels at the time of their launching dates, which are all supposed to be early 2006. HD channels like: MHD (MTV-HD), FOX-HD, National Geographic-HD, Food Network-HD, DIY-HD & SNY-HD (Sportsnet New York-HD).


His Response:

"yes, we're working on all the things you mention. i don't think, however, that you will see all of them made available very soon. we will add some more in '06, but until the networks understand that they should be offering their services in HD at no additional charge to the consumer, we will be slow in offeringm them."

Yes, this is an exact quote & the incorrect spelling is his.

"There has been no official release of MSG HD appearing on any provider other than Cablevision as of this time. There were talks of extending the MSG HD signal to other cable providers, however there were some problems in getting the correct signal to them in a way that worked for both parties. I do not know if this is a permanent change as of now on your channel lineup or simply a test that the two companies are running. If and when MSG-HD becomes available on TWC or any other cable provider other than Cablevision, a formal release and array of news coverage will follow, and your service provider will be able to offer you detailed information. Sorry I could not offer more accurate information at this time. Enjoy the games."

I think its safe to say that it's still in testing.

I hope that MSG HD although in test mode is here to stay. The fact that the promos during the games have been changed to available only on cable tv instead if IO Cablevision makes me think that it is.

His Response:

"yes, we're working on all the things you mention. i don't think, however, that you will see all of them made available very soon. we will add some more in '06, but until the networks understand that they should be offering their services in HD at no additional charge to the consumer, we will be slow in offeringm them."

Yes, this is an exact quote & the incorrect spelling is his.

It sounds like you asked two questions and he only answered one of them.

We've heard the song about channel providers asking for too much from TWC for years now. That still doesn't answer the question of whether or not the bandwidth will be available when the contractual stuff is ironed out.

If TWC were serious about pressuring these companies, they would get all the bandwidth set aside then publicly release a list of all the channels they would be prepared to carry tomorrow, if only their owners would come to the table with reasonable terms. If the bandwidth isn't ready, it's hard for TWC to play the blame game.
-JMP

If the bandwidth isn't ready, it's hard for TWC to play the blame game.
-JMP


Absolutely correct!

We’ve danced to that tune before. Watson (from TW not Baker St.) already reneged on new HD channels scheduled for earlier in this year.

This MSG thing better not be a tease. :mad:

Grrr! Still says subscription service!

Should I call the number? Will they be able to give it to me?

Grrr! Still says subscription service!

Should I call the number? Will they be able to give it to me?
the game's on 712 for me so I would make the call...

Ha! I knew this would happen...

So I called, and they had me unplug the box and plug it back in while they sent a signal, yada yada...

So I turn it back on, and 712 is there in all it's glory, but of course, all the premiums and everything I had been receiving since I got my new box yesterday went bye-bye! :( Although a previous poster said this would happen anyway after 24-48 hours. If that's the case, I'm not too bummed, but I gladly would trade back 712 for all the movie premiums if by some miracle I was going to get to keep them.

LET'S GO ISLANDERS!

I am getting audo from my 8300HD HDMI To my sony xbr960 Optical out to my Denon AV4608 and now i get DD5.1 :cool:

This is great news, but I checked and I have the old version of the firmware (Dec 2004) :confused: . I have a panasonic commercial plasma (50PHD7UY) and I made the mistake of buying the HDMI board which disables the DD5.1 sound out to the AV receiver. For this reason I have been forced to use the component video.

I wonder when is TWNYC rolling out the new firmware that some of you guys have? I was thinking of buying a DVI board but I don't want to shell $150 if I know this firmware is coming soon. I even made the mistake of calling TW customer service and as usual they were clueless and rude. :mad:

Just checked my 8300 and I still have v.095 (12/04) of the firmware. I'm using the DVI input on my display so it's not a big deal for me but clearly they haven't rolled this out to everyone yet.

God, this firmware situation is like Chinese water torture! My box still has the old firmware. Why on Earth can't they give it to everyone at once?

I just checked my 8300hd for the heck of it, and I still have the old firmware as well.

God, this firmware situation is like Chinese water torture! My box still has the old firmware. Why on Earth can't they give it to everyone at once?

This is just my speculation. My 8300HD that still has the old firmware was one that I received the second or third day that TWCNYC made the 8300HD available (back around Feb. 05, I believe). My other 8300HD, the one with the later firmware, is a much newer box (about a month-old). It certainly is possible that there have been hardware or software modifications to the 8300HD since it was first released that preclude TWCNYC from zapping the older boxes with the newer firmware. If that is indeed what's happening here (or even if it isn't), a trip to 23rd Street to exchange boxes should fix the problem for those who care about it (just make sure that the replacement box is "factory-fresh").

Also, as some of you may remember, TWCNYC flashed a buggy firmware upgrade to all its 8000SD and HD DVRs sometime last year that resulted in a Channel 4 "consumer" news story about frozen DVRs and TWCNYC's suspension of its TV ads promoting those boxes. I imagine that the company isn't eager to repeat that experience just to satisfy the demands of the miniscule number of customers who've even heard of HDMI and DD5.1.

I read somewhere that Switched Broadcast technology was successfully tested in Texas and that their could be a National rollout in 2006, Is this true and when will it be available for NYC.

Did some further Googling on this topic recently and posted a summary (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=593023) in the general cable forum. Articles say 2006-2007 is planned for rollouts and since NYC TWC often seems to be last in line.... -- John

This is just my speculation. My 8300HD that still has the old firmware was one that I received the second or third day that TWCNYC made the 8300HD available (back around Feb. 05, I believe). My other 8300HD, the one with the later firmware, is a much newer box (about a month-old). It certainly is possible that there have been hardware or software modifications to the 8300HD since it was first released that preclude TWCNYC from zapping the older boxes with the newer firmware. If that is indeed what's happening here (or even if it isn't), a trip to 23rd Street to exchange boxes should fix the problem for those who care about it (just make sure that the replacement box is "factory-fresh").


Interesting. Given the date of the newer firmware and the fact that your box is about a month old, is there any chance that it always had the new firmware? Are you using HDMI/HDMI on both boxes? Just curious.

At this point exchanging my box would be a real pain given how much I have saved on it. My 8300 has been pretty reliable although lately it's been acting up somewhat. Since I don't even have the HDMI audio problem, I was hoping that the firmware update would just provide a little more stability to the box.

I just hope the older boxes are upgradeable at some point. I can't imagine that TWC would want to have multiple versions of firmware floating around out there for extended periods of time. But then again, this is Time Warner we're talking about so maybe they haven't really thought about it.

Speaking of upgrading the firmware in SA8300HDs, maybe SA/TWC can update the video-output-chip driver firmware to deliver ~1600 lines of resolvable detail instead of only ~1290; (various readings). From comments about better PQ with CableCards and FredB's (TWC, Calif.) measured 1600 lines (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5911408&&#post5911408) into a LCD panel, it appears there's an additional ~300 lines resolvable detail there--even if that likely exceeds 1080i's often cited maximum of ~1450 lines effective resolution (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245). -- John

On the box (not the remote), press EXIT and SELECT simultaneously until DIAG appears on the box; release then re-press the same 2 buttons. Exit Diagnostics by punching in any regular channel number.

Thanks for that Manatus. Sorry I didn't reply sooner ... went out to dinner at Landmarc in Tribeca last Friday night and got deathly ill from some bad Filet Mignon. TKO'd me for a few days.

So I called, and they had me unplug the box and plug it back in while they sent a signal, yada yada...
<snip>
So I turn it back on, and 712 is there in all it's glory, but of course, all the premiums and everything I had been receiving since I got my new box yesterday went bye-bye!

Yes, it's this process of "sending the signal to your box" that causes the box to refresh which channels you're subscribed to, hence your loss of all of the free premium channels.

Scott

Yes, it's this process of "sending the signal to your box" that causes the box to refresh which channels you're subscribed to, hence your loss of all of the free premium channels.

Scott

Yeah...I totally understand that...I'm just wondering if the "sending of the signal" would have happend if I never made that call.

This is just my speculation. My 8300HD that still has the old firmware was one that I received the second or third day that TWCNYC made the 8300HD available (back around Feb. 05, I believe). My other 8300HD, the one with the later firmware, is a much newer box (about a month-old). It certainly is possible that there have been hardware or software modifications to the 8300HD since it was first released that preclude TWCNYC from zapping the older boxes with the newer firmware. If that is indeed what's happening here (or even if it isn't), a trip to 23rd Street to exchange boxes should fix the problem for those who care about it (just make sure that the replacement box is "factory-fresh").

Also, as some of you may remember, TWCNYC flashed a buggy firmware upgrade to all its 8000SD and HD DVRs sometime last year that resulted in a Channel 4 "consumer" news story about frozen DVRs and TWCNYC's suspension of its TV ads promoting those boxes. I imagine that the company isn't eager to repeat that experience just to satisfy the demands of the miniscule number of customers who've even heard of HDMI and DD5.1.

Thanks for the info. I'll try to visit the 23rd street office in the next few days to exchange my box. Hopefully that should solve the problem.

Interesting. Given the date of the newer firmware and the fact that your box is about a month old, is there any chance that it always had the new firmware? Are you using HDMI/HDMI on both boxes? Just curious.

That would be my best guess. I'm using HDMI/HDMI on the newer box and HDMI/DVI or Component on the older one.

At this point exchanging my box would be a real pain given how much I have saved on it. .

In anticipation of the arrival my great new 1080p TV, I'd saved a small library of demo programs on my original DVI to show it off. Now that I've moved that DVR back to my older TV and the newer box to the new TV (so that I can have surround sound with the new one), I can no longer view the demo programs on the better TV.

Yeah...I totally understand that...I'm just wondering if the "sending of the signal" would have happend if I never made that call.

Yes it would have happend with the call or without ;)

Does any one know if you can get a 8300HD BOX WITH FIREWIRE AT 23ST?
Any one know im going down to 23st and ilike to know before i go. Any one please let me know :) :)

I have a quick Cable Card question.

My friend just bought a bunch of home theater equipment, and 1 of the items is a 42" LG Plasma HDTV.

This TV has a cable card slot, and I know the advantage of Cable Card is going to be that a) you dont need a STB with a visible cable running to the plasma, and b) PQ is better since the STB doesnt interfere with it at all.

But, what I want to know, is will all the channel info, guide, etc all work just like it does with a regular cable box? Does a cable card have Passport software on it? And lastly, do I operate everything with the TV remote, or do I need a cable remote to change channels once the cable card is installed?

EDIT: Also, if he doesnt want to go the Cable Card route, what STB should he get? I dont think he wants a DVR, not yet anyway, so he doesnt need the 8300HD, but is there any standard STB available from TWCNYC right now with functional HDMI output?

Thanks for that Manatus. Sorry I didn't reply sooner ... went out to dinner at Landmarc in Tribeca last Friday night and got deathly ill from some bad Filet Mignon. TKO'd me for a few days.

Wow... Nothing to do with TWC, but.... coincidently my wife and I were also at Landmarc last Friday. I also had the Filet. Thankfully, I was fine.

:cool: Any one know im going down to 23st and ilike to know before i go. Any one please let me know :) :)

Well i went down to 23st. And i got a 8300HD box with firewire it took some talking i was told that they did not have any, and i have to have a tech come to my home to install one. I did not want that. Well she went to talk to someone when she came back she had the box. She told me that they have one or two boxs and that luck was with me The box has new firmware Passport-echo 1.8.111 HDMI works i now haveDD5.1 In the settings menu you can get audio out i did not have that before. :cool:

:cool:

Well i went down to 23st. And i got a 8300HD box with firewire it took some talking i was told that they did not have any, and i have to have a tech come to my home to install one. I did not want that. Well she went to talk to someone when she came back she had the box. She told me that they have one or two boxs and that luck was with me The box has new firmware Passport-echo 1.8.111 HDMI works i now haveDD5.1 In the settings menu you can get audio out i did not have that before. :cool:


I guess this confirms what Manatus was saying. Hopefully I can get mine exchanged for one with the new firmware. I think they are open on saturdays.

:cool:

Well i went down to 23st. And i got a 8300HD box with firewire it took some talking i was told that they did not have any, and i have to have a tech come to my home to install one. I did not want that. Well she went to talk to someone when she came back she had the box. She told me that they have one or two boxs and that luck was with me The box has new firmware Passport-echo 1.8.111 HDMI works i now haveDD5.1 In the settings menu you can get audio out i did not have that before. :cool:
Is the new firmware the same version San Diego, CA residents were getting last month via an update? I read somewhere that there are games on the new firmware, like Solitaire or something, is that true (I know that is the most important feature I could ask about, lol).

Is the new firmware the same version San Diego, CA residents were getting last month via an update? I read somewhere that there are games on the new firmware, like Solitaire or something, is that true (I know that is the most important feature I could ask about, lol).
NO games on this box but the firewire works :)

Yes it would have happend with the call or without ;)
...eventually, yes. Maybe not as soon as it happened to you, though.

It looks like the Knicks preseason game is not on Channel 712 now, and I don't see any Knicks or Rangers games listed in the guide anymore. Does this mean the "test" of channel 712 is over for good?

NO games on this box but the firewire works :)
Does that mean that the box will pass all the HD station content via Firewire?

It looks like the Knicks preseason game is not on Channel 712 now, and I don't see any Knicks or Rangers games listed in the guide anymore. Does this mean the "test" of channel 712 is over for good?

The Knick game is not a home game, only home games are in HD.

and the next rangers home game is scheduled for 10/27
and the next Knick home game is scheduled for 11/4

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/

It looks like the Knicks preseason game is not on Channel 712 now, and I don't see any Knicks or Rangers games listed in the guide anymore. Does this mean the "test" of channel 712 is over for good?
The Islanders-Rangers game is in the guide for 10/27 on 712. As Andyhdtv posted, that is the next home game for the Rangers or Knicks.

speaking of Rangers games i was upset that Thursday nights game was blacked out on HDNet. what didn't make sense to me was that the game was actually on MSG, even though it was in Long Island. why couldn't we get the HD feed on HDNet?

Road games are such a pain to watch after seeing the home HD broadcasts on 712 or 722. i find myself suffering from eye strain by the 3rd period.

speaking of Rangers games i was upset that Thursday nights game was blacked out on HDNet. what didn't make sense to me was that the game was actually on MSG, even though it was in Long Island. why couldn't we get the HD feed on HDNet?

Road games are such a pain to watch after seeing the home HD broadcasts on 712 or 722. i find myself suffering from eye strain by the 3rd period.

I agree =totally= with you. And what made it a little *worse*, was, it was LISTED on the HDNet station banner as "NHL Hockey", and yet when u tuned to 722, they were playing some OTHER crap, instead. :(

Does that mean that the box will pass all the HD station content via Firewire?

Yes it does I have 8300HD to my Sonyxbr960 and you can see it on my HD T.V. Looking good :cool:

NO games on this box but the firewire works :)

I went down to 23rd street and got a new 8300 DVR box and thankfully DD5.1 out through Optical cable now works with HDMI. I also noticed the firewire ports. The CSR told me that Firewire and HDMI ports are working on boxes with Revision number 2.2. My older box had the revision number 1.2 listed on the bottom.

I have to upgrade my 2nd box this week. Is the Firewire output 4 or 6pin?

Hi. New to the forum. 8300HD south of Canal Street. Found this interesting tidbit .

It's from Cableworld but unfortunately the forum won't let a newbie post a URL.

Looks like TWC is steering clear of HD compression going forward. Comcast is going compression.


Time Warner Cable's Bandwith Solution

Cable operators are still analyzing the best way to dedicate more bandwidth to HD. Time Warner Cable and Comcast are taking different routes--Comcast is testing different technologies, including compression, while Time Warner favors digital switching. Another tactic is shuttling premium channels to the digital tier. Until operators go to an all-digital platform, however, it's going to be difficult for them to have robust HD offerings.

It's "absolutely imperative" for operators to come up with solutions for their bandwidth issues, media consultant David Large says. "Most cable operators have 12 to 15 HD channels," he says. "They're going to need to about triple that...because the competition is going to have them all."

Time Warner Cable will be able to handle about 50 HD channels by implementing switched digital video, says Kevin Leddy, SVP strategy and development, Time Warner Cable. The technology being tested in two markets, allows the MSO to move lightly viewed channels to a switch. They are then sent to an entire node when one home in that viewing area requests them. New and niche HD services will be placed on the switch, Leddy says. "We'll continue to offer 15 or 20 in a linear broadcast format, but the last 30 to 35 [HD channels] will be on the switch."

If the switches are used effectively, Leddy doesn't foresee needing further bandwidth upgrades, except in very large markets. Los Angeles, for example, may be upgraded to 860 MHz from 750, he notes; Time Warner's New York system is already at 860.

If the technology works "the way we expect it to over the next couple of months," Leddy says, the MSO will launch it in more markets, and by the end of next year a significant part of Time Warner Cable's digital subscriber base will have it.

Thanks for that alert, hsimms, and welcome to the forums. Switched broadcasting (SB), which I summarized (with sublinks) in this recent post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=593023), is slated for 2006-07 introduction. Maybe it'll even make it to NYC, although twcinsider here suggests it'll be used for foreign-language channels. In very brief, SB is like VOD (video on demand) except channels are switched 'live', not from disk servers. A tech article sublinked above outlines SB's remarkable bandwidth-saving aspect--keeping channels not being watched off the fiber/cable lines.

It's not really a matter of Comcast compressing and TWC not doing so. Both deliver HD to homes basically as supplied by program suppliers. TWC, here at least, does use so-called rate shaping that boosts bandwidth availability by trimming higher-frequency data without decoding HD signals. Previous AVS threads have outlined rate shaping. HD from program sources is already highly compressed, down to <17 Mbps (million bits per second), video payload, from about 1.2 Gbps (billion bits per second) uncompressed video payload.

While minimal compression is important to HD fidelity, since lossy MPEG-2 compression 'tosses out' detail depending on the compression level and inadequate bit rates cause bad image breakups during motion sequences, it's also important that cable converters deliver the fullest resolution possible. Various AVS posts indicate the typical cable STBs are limited to <1300 lines, based on HDNet's test patterns (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424). While reports of better fidelity with CableCard use, plus a measured 1600 lines (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5911408&&#post5911408) from a Calif. TWC CableCard user, suggests enhanced resolution (not resolved by many displays) is being blocked by STBs. -- John

EDIT: Here's the full CableWorld article (http://www.broadband-accessintel.com/cgi/cw/show_mag.cgi?pub=cw&mon=102405&file=forhd.htm). Here's a parallel article (http://www.broadband-accessintel.com/cgi/cw/show_mag.cgi?pub=cw&mon=102405&file=insidethenew.htm) mentioning VOOM's movie and other channels and TWC's use of switched broadcasting.

I have to upgrade my 2nd box this week. Is the Firewire output 4 or 6pin?
It has two 6 pin ports. And like i said it works. :cool: :)

It has two 6 pin ports. And like i said it works. :cool: :)

Pardon my ignorance, but what can one do with a firewire port? Can you add an external hard drive?

Pardon my ignorance, but what can one do with a firewire port? Can you add an external hard drive?

No you cant add external hard drive on firewire but the 8300HD has sata port were aexternal hard drive gos.If you have a HM-30000u HD-VCR with firewire you can copy HD on tape if thats what you want. I dont know about DVD if you can do HD ?? On aDVD-recorder ??.Any one know??. :confused:

Overall, happy with this gadget. Would like to see more ports made available, especially a "Copy Out" function that SARA users have and we have long been promised.

Here's the glitch:

Channel 708 draws a blank screen. Several times I have gone there on the off chance that something might appear. Blank of course.

Last night, for the second time, the box froze on 708. Unlike the first incident, a cold boot did not restart the box. The clock reset to 12:00 and ran from there but did not change to actual time. The Passport boot screen froze at the first bullet and then disappeared, leaving me with channel 0 et seq. and no further information.

The problem was resolved by disconnecting power and data cables and re-connecting. Booted as normal. I now have exercised parental control over channel 708 by blocking it - that's my right hand slapping my left hand.

Similar experiences ?

Channel 708 draws a blank screen. Several times I have gone there on the off chance that something might appear. Blank of course.


708 is reserved for YES-HD
712 is reserved for MSG-HD

don't bother tunning into theses channels unless you know theres a home game being played by the Nets, Knicks or Rangers.

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/

Is anybody else not getting the Giants game in HD???

Edit: Never mind, working now! Phew!

As of 4:28, it seems sombody has forgotten to flip the HD switch on the Giant game, even though the blurb at the start of the game stated it is in HD.
Very professional.

And now they woke up. At least sombody was paying attention.

If TWC ever had the bandwidth to carry it, would you pay around $5 extra for VOOM channels?

As of 4:28, it seems sombody has forgotten to flip the HD switch on the Giant game, even though the blurb at the start of the game stated it is in HD.
Very professional.

And now they woke up. At least sombody was paying attention.


Was the unflipped switch on TWC only ? Over the air ?

Last night I didn't get an on time HD signal from TWC when the Chi-Hous festivities began on 705. Switched to the OTA antenna and all was good. Checked back an hour later and 705 was good.

New to HD. Feel like a beta tester. The OTA antenna is necessary for 9, 11, 50's sub-channels and NOAA weather. Also when TWC may be asleep at the switch or something is beyond their control.

The quality of the OTA picture and sound is the biggest shocker so far.

Connecting the 8300HD to a Sharp Auqos 37GB5U in nyc/time warner cable...

i am planning on picking up the sharp 37" 37gb5u and looking to see what kind of experiences people were having with this combo.

- hdmi vs the component connection? which had clearer picture?
- someone mentioned that this box will scale non-hdtv channels? how does this look? this true?
- if i use the hdmi connection, can i also send audio to mu a/v receiver from the box, or does all audio only get sent to the tv via hdmi?
- how does the regular SD channels look with this combo of equipment?
- i'm looking to put the cable box in a different location. any1 have suggestion on affordable hdmi cable of about 35feet? at what length do i need to be concerned about signal degradation where by i need some kind of special device for signal quality?

any feedback from anyone else's experiences with this combination of hardware would be much appreciated.

Connecting the 8300HD to a Sharp Auqos 37GB5U in nyc/time warner cable...

i am planning on picking up the sharp 37" 37gb5u and looking to see what kind of experiences people were having with this combo.

- hdmi vs the component connection? which had clearer picture?
- someone mentioned that this box will scale non-hdtv channels? how does this look? this true?
- if i use the hdmi connection, can i also send audio to mu a/v receiver from the box, or does all audio only get sent to the tv via hdmi?
- how does the regular SD channels look with this combo of equipment?
- i'm looking to put the cable box in a different location. any1 have suggestion on affordable hdmi cable of about 35feet? at what length do i need to be concerned about signal degradation where by i need some kind of special device for signal quality?

any feedback from anyone else's experiences with this combination of hardware would be much appreciated.


I can answer a few.

Be sure you get the latest box. It has firewire enabled. Also, with the older box, people using hdmi were complaining that they couldn't digitally feed their a/v receivers. Apparently, this is no longer a problem for them with the new box. Plus, there is an "audio digital out" setting. 23rd Street has the new box. Don't know about the boroughs. I am still stunned by the quality using component cables. I may have a look at hdmi if I need to recover a set of component sockets on my TV. They're both full now. TWC will provide a sturdy, if not quite Monster, set of component and audio cables when you pick up the box.

The box will provide sidebar (pillar), zoom and stretch on SD stations. With the box set to 720p and 1080i, I get a 40" diagonal on my 50" hdtv with aspect ratio set to 16:9 and 4:3 set to sidebar. I'm not partial to stretch and zoom cuts out your edges. 480p and 480i seem to squeeze the image.

If TWC ever had the bandwidth to carry it, would you pay around $5 extra for VOOM channels?
YES!

No you cant add external hard drive on firewire but the 8300HD has sata port were aexternal hard drive gos.If you have a HM-30000u HD-VCR with firewire you can copy HD on tape if thats what you want. I dont know about DVD if you can do HD ?? On aDVD-recorder ??.Any one know??. :confused:

The sata port works? You can hook up a hard drive to it for extra storage?

The sata port works? You can hook up a hard drive to it for extra storage?
On 8300HD Boxes with a manufacturing date of July 2005 or later, the SATA port is supposed to be activated.

Goanna,

This is the first I've heard about the SATA port being activated in a PASSPORT environment. Where did you hear this info?

Thanks,
-barry

On 8300HD Boxes with a manufacturing date of July 2005 or later, the SATA port is supposed to be activated.

Are you sure that isn't just SARA and not PASSPORT (TWCNYC) ?

As of 4:28, it seems sombody has forgotten to flip the HD switch on the Giant game, even though the blurb at the start of the game stated it is in HD.
Very professional.

And now they woke up. At least sombody was paying attention.

CBS had this problem last year whenever the Jets were playing a 4pm game that was supposed to be in HD. Apparently, CBS is only set up to run two national feeds in HD. If they're carrying 2 of the 1pm games in HD, they cannot start carrying any of the 4pm games in HD until after the conclusion of whichever early game's feed is being used for the late game. I find it to be astonishly poor marketing that CBS makes the announcement that the game is available in HD before anyone can actually see it in HD. (Not to mention that for a game at Giants Stadium, they should be able to get the game to the local market in HD without using a national feed.)

I'll be curious to see if they up their number of HD feeds for the NCAA tourney in March...
-JMP

FYI..

"Time Warner Inc. on Monday said its cable unit has agreed with NBC Universal Cable to carry certain programs from NBC and NBC Universal in an on-demand service called ''Start Over.'' .....
...The latest agreement also includes carrying rights for Universal HD, mun2 and Video on Demand. "

link-
http://newyorkbusiness.com/news.cms?newsId=12090

"Time Warner Inc. on Monday said its cable unit has agreed with NBC Universal Cable to carry certain programs from NBC and NBC Universal in an on-demand service called ''Start Over.'' .....
...The latest agreement also includes carrying rights for Universal HD, mun2 and Video on Demand. "

Okay, so TWC now has carriage rights for Universal-HD. We know from the US Open that there are no technical barriers to carrying this network if the bandwidth is available. TWC has been making a big deal out of how much work they've been doing to free up bandwidth. It's been quite a while since they added a full-time HD channel. If they've really freed up some bandwidth, they should be able to get this channel up and running pretty quickly.

Any bets on when we'll actually see Universal-HD on TWCNYC full time?
-JMP

Any bets on when we'll actually see Universal-HD on TWCNYC full time?
-JMP


I’ll take that bet, put me down for- gee, when is the next US Open? Oh, ok, August 2006. :p :D
I hope I'm wrong.

I’ll take that bet, put me down for- gee, when is the next US Open? Oh, ok, August 2006. :p :D
I hope I'm wrong.
...and then whenever the matches are scheduled to be over, the channel will abruptly switch off and say "This channel is a subscription only channel. Please call Time Warner to subscribe" (whether or not the match is actually over).

;-)

FYI..

"Time Warner Inc. on Monday said its cable unit has agreed with NBC Universal Cable to carry certain programs from NBC and NBC Universal in an on-demand service called ''Start Over.'' .....
...The latest agreement also includes carrying rights for Universal HD, mun2 and Video on Demand. "

link-
http://newyorkbusiness.com/news.cms?newsId=12090

OK -- now I think it's time for AndyHDTV to write back to Mr. Dressler http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6384853&&#post6384853

and ask him, now that they have the rights worked out for UHD, when we might be seeing it?

:-)

OK -- now I think it's time for AndyHDTV to write back to Mr. Dressler http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6384853&&#post6384853

and ask him, now that they have the rights worked out for UHD, when we might be seeing it?

:-)


U Bet I'm Gonna

Mr. Leddy & Mr. Watson

I Heard that Switched Broadcasting technology was successfully tried out in Texas and that a national rollout is scheduled for 2006. Can you tell me when NYC will get Switched Broadcasting? From what I hear lack of bandwidth is the major reason why subscribers aren't receiving all the HD channels that are available like: (WB-HD, UPN-HD, UNIVERSAL-HD, ESPN2-HD, STARZ-HD, CINEMAX-HD & TMC-HD).

Also with more HD channels making their debut in 2006 can TWC provide these channels: MHD (MTV-HD), FOX-HD, National Geographic-HD, Food Network-HD, DIY-HD & SNY-HD (Sportsnet New York-HD)?

I do believe that TWC of NYC has is now Broadcasting all of their channels digitally, so when can they cut off the analog channels and upgrade those who still have analog cable to DTV. Wouldn't that be a simple solution right now to solve the issue of lack of bandwidth?


Only Mr. Watsons response:

"Time Warner Cable's NYC digital subscribers are indeed receiving 100% of our channels in digital form. Regarding your remaining questions, we presently have no timetables for other changes."

Mr. Leddy & Mr. Watson

I Heard that Switched Broadcasting technology was successfully tried out in Texas and that a national rollout is scheduled for 2006. Can you tell me when NYC will get Switched Broadcasting? From what I hear lack of bandwidth is the major reason why subscribers aren't receiving all the HD channels that are available like: (WB-HD, UPN-HD, UNIVERSAL-HD, ESPN2-HD, STARZ-HD, CINEMAX-HD & TMC-HD).

Also with more HD channels making their debut in 2006 can TWC provide these channels: MHD (MTV-HD), FOX-HD, National Geographic-HD, Food Network-HD, DIY-HD & SNY-HD (Sportsnet New York-HD)?

I do believe that TWC of NYC has is now Broadcasting all of their channels digitally, so when can they cut off the analog channels and upgrade those who still have analog cable to DTV. Wouldn't that be a simple solution right now to solve the issue of lack of bandwidth?


Only Mr. Watsons response:

"Time Warner Cable's NYC digital subscribers are indeed receiving 100% of our channels in digital form. Regarding your remaining questions, we presently have no timetables for other changes."
Haha, yeah


NYC digital subscribers are indeed receiving 100% of our channels in digital form.


But what about the NON DIGITAL customers who still have crappy old Analog Boxes? I know they are still out there. I can probably name 10 people off the top of my head now that still have analog STB's just in Staten Island. My Grandmother had analogs up until 6 months ago when I made her get digital ones, lol.

Send these Analog customers notices that Analog is Dead, call up TWC and setup an appointment to get a digital STB. TW should offer some type of compensation fee for those who dont want to upgrade to digital due to the few extra dollars per month.

Oh, also, on another note.

Are there any Non DVR STB's available at the Staten Island office (Richmond Ave) that offer working HDMI output?

I am setting up a home theater for a friend of mine. The display is an LG 42PX5D Plasma, and it has 2 HDMI inputs. He doesnt think he wants a DVR though (Not yet anyway) so the 8300HD is out of the question for now. So, are there any HDMI enabled boxes available to us, or will I have to get him one with DVI and use a conversion cable?

When you recieve your cable bill on the left side it says that effective 10/31/2005 PPV Channels 79 & 96 will no longer be available. And that users must Upgrade to DTV and view PPV on channel 301.

This is a step in the right direction, and it will hopefully free up two Analog slots for 4 HD channels.

When you recieve your cable bill on the left side it says that effective 10/31/2005 PPV Channels 79 & 96 will no longer be available. And that users must Upgrade to DTV and view PPV on channel 301.

This is a step in the right direction, and it will hopefully free up two Analog slots for 4 HD channels.
Sweet!

Some of that bandwidth will probably go to the Howard Stern HD PPV channel...

And there is the bandwidth that will be required for the "Start Over" service which (surprise, surprise) they were promoting on NY1 this morning (apparently this service allows you to restart a program on NBC from the beginning if you tune to it mid-broadcast. It allows pausing and rewinding but NO fast-forwarding -- i.e. no way to skip commercials).

Not sure why anyone would want this????

I can answer a few.

Be sure you get the latest box. It has firewire enabled. Also, with the older box, people using hdmi were complaining that they couldn't digitally feed their a/v receivers. Apparently, this is no longer a problem for them with the new box. Plus, there is an "audio digital out" setting. 23rd Street has the new box. Don't know about the boroughs. I am still stunned by the quality using component cables. I may have a look at hdmi if I need to recover a set of component sockets on my TV. They're both full now. TWC will provide a sturdy, if not quite Monster, set of component and audio cables when you pick up the box.

The box will provide sidebar (pillar), zoom and stretch on SD stations. With the box set to 720p and 1080i, I get a 40" diagonal on my 50" hdtv with aspect ratio set to 16:9 and 4:3 set to sidebar. I'm not partial to stretch and zoom cuts out your edges. 480p and 480i seem to squeeze the image.

I am noticing a better picture quality on HDMI with the new 8300 DVR receiver that I got last weekend. The older 8300 box had washed out colors when connected to my Panasonic Plasma through HDMI. With the new box I can see the difference between HDMI and Component with HDMI picture looking better IMHO. With component I always noticed scan lines under dim lighting conditions but that may just be my particular TV.

Also the new box blocks out the component out when it is connected to TV through HDMI. It is not a big deal for me but the older box didn't do that.

And there is the bandwidth that will be required for the "Start Over" service which (surprise, surprise) they were promoting on NY1 this morning (apparently this service allows you to restart a program on NBC from the beginning if you tune to it mid-broadcast. It allows pausing and rewinding but NO fast-forwarding -- i.e. no way to skip commercials).

Not sure why anyone would want this????

And you can't record the rewound show on the dvr!!! What's the use of "Starting Over" if you can't do that?

I am noticing a better picture quality on HDMI with the new 8300 DVR receiver that I got last weekend. The older 8300 box had washed out colors when connected to my Panasonic Plasma through HDMI. With the new box I can see the difference between HDMI and Component with HDMI picture looking better IMHO. With component I always noticed scan lines under dim lighting conditions but that may just be my particular TV.

Also the new box blocks out the component out when it is connected to TV through HDMI. It is not a big deal for me but the older box didn't do that.


I too got the new box yesterday and noticed the much better picture with the HDMI, impressed my wife so I'm glad.

I have a question:
I have the STB connected to my home theater system through coax cable. When I have the STB set to digital out through HDMI and turn on my receiver I get plain prologic II surround, which is fine, however when I switch the output to Dolby Digital the reciever responds by activating Dolby Digital or DTS accordingly but I get a nasty lag effect and the sound levels don't seem quite right. I'm assuming that this is a problem with the reciever and am content listening to surround through PLII, but if there is a way to correct the lag of dolby digital and dts through the STB I would love to hear any suggestions

Does anyone know if Time Warner (Manhattan) stopped broadcasting PBS in analog? I used to be able to get the TVGOS using my Sharp Aquos. It would download the data from one of the analog PBS channels. Then it stopped working. And now when I scroll through my channels, they all say 'digital'. I know that the Aquos only gets it's data from an analog channel. I changed the settings to have it download from Analog Air, and that worked -- but I get the wrong channels, only the OTA ones. Any ideas? When I call TWC, they immediately say "oh, you have a cablecard" and refer me to that number. Shouldn't matter if I have one or not, I just want to know what channels they broadcast PBS analog on! Thanks in advance.

I am noticing a better picture quality on HDMI with the new 8300 DVR receiver that I got last weekend. The older 8300 box had washed out colors when connected to my Panasonic Plasma through HDMI. With the new box I can see the difference between HDMI and Component with HDMI picture looking better IMHO. With component I always noticed scan lines under dim lighting conditions but that may just be my particular TV.

Also the new box blocks out the component out when it is connected to TV through HDMI. It is not a big deal for me but the older box didn't do that.

I see everyone is getting the new box. I also like the great picture and sound with HDMI. I have a HDMI cable that maybe to heavy will not stay pluged in looks like i have to get anew one. Does a bad cable do this I get a massage that says your HDTV does not support HDCP please use the component connection to watch television.I dont get it all the time only now and then Some one let me know :confused:

Does anyone know if Time Warner (Manhattan) stopped broadcasting PBS in analog? I used to be able to get the TVGOS using my Sharp Aquos. It would download the data from one of the analog PBS channels. Then it stopped working. And now when I scroll through my channels, they all say 'digital'. I know that the Aquos only gets it's data from an analog channel. I changed the settings to have it download from Analog Air, and that worked -- but I get the wrong channels, only the OTA ones. Any ideas? When I call TWC, they immediately say "oh, you have a cablecard" and refer me to that number. Shouldn't matter if I have one or not, I just want to know what channels they broadcast PBS analog on! Thanks in advance.

I think that someone posted last week that they converted some of the remaining analog channels (PBS, TV Guide, Food Network) to digital last week...so I'm not sure if there's any way for you to tune them the way that you want....

ANGEL 35,
You are experiencing HDCP handshake issues obviously, as am I. They're not uncommon with 8300's, at least the first several batches of them. It shouldn't be related to the physical connection itself - I have other HDMI sources which are no better secured and yet work fine, HDCP handshake and all, all the time.

My handshake issues got so bad that I switched to component! But I plan on swapping my 8300 for a new one this friday and am keeping my fingers crossed that part of the improvements will include more robust (accurate) handshaking.

TM

I had the same handshake problem on my first two boxes, the second worked better than the first, I now have the newest box and have not once recieved the "your HDTV does not support HDCP" since, so it looks like the new boxes were fixed, but then with TWC it may just be the luck of the draw

I had the same handshake problem on my first two boxes, the second worked better than the first, I now have the newest box and have not once recieved the "your HDTV does not support HDCP" since, so it looks like the new boxes were fixed, but then with TWC it may just be the luck of the draw

hOW CAN YOU FIX IT??

Angel:
Sorry if I was unclear. When I traded in my 2nd 8300 for the newest revision 8300 (now the third box i have recieved from the 23rd street location) - the one with the firewire - mine has a manufacture date of 9/10/05 - I stopped getting the "your HDTV does not support HDCP" message. Now my HDMI connection has a much better picture and more stable connection. The earlier boxes had problems. First box I could not get any HD channels over HDMI. 2nd box I could not get sound over the HDMI. both of those boxes would occasionally give me the HDCP error message (the first more than the second) and now my third box gives no such message.

Sorry for being longwinded - in short my error message went away with the latest box I've picked up from TWC, but this may be my luck and not that the box is fixed, but I feel the HDMI is much more stable in this revision(2.2)

can anyone recommend a good INDOOR HDTV antenna in NYC? Thanks

can anyone recommend a good INDOOR HDTV antenna in NYC? Thanks

You will probably find better results on the NY OTA thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6418897#post6418897

so TWC just came out to troubleshoot the issue whereby i can't set channel 712 to record in advance. after a couple calls to his superiors they basically said that because it is a pay per view channel you can't record it. :( it really sucks to have to record the games in SD when you know the HD version is coming through.

so TWC just came out ... after a couple calls to his superiors ...you can't record it. :( it really sucks ...

What really sucks is the stupidity of them sending someone to your home taking up your time and a technician’s time when the entire issue could’ve been resolved over the phone with someone with a brain.

I'm about to get my HD set (Sammy HLR 5087) in a few days, and was wondering what HD-DVRs TWC in NYC carries. Which, and which one(s) is/are better.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What really sucks is the stupidity of them sending someone to your home taking up your time and a technician’s time when the entire issue could’ve been resolved over the phone with someone with a brain.

exactly, but the funny thing is when i called about the problem originally they put me in touch with their tech dept. and someone even called me back to say that there is no reason the channel should be unrecordable...that it HAS to be a hardware issue. unbelievable.

and why can't i set a program to record on a pay per view channel? i mean let's assume there is a pay program on tomorrow night and i set my box to record. if i don't actually pay for the show it will just record a blank screen, right? so what is the deal here?

Angel:
Sorry if I was unclear. When I traded in my 2nd 8300 for the newest revision 8300 (now the third box i have recieved from the 23rd street location) - the one with the firewire - mine has a manufacture date of 9/10/05 - I stopped getting the "your HDTV does not support HDCP" message. Now my HDMI connection has a much better picture and more stable connection. The earlier boxes had problems. First box I could not get any HD channels over HDMI. 2nd box I could not get sound over the HDMI. both of those boxes would occasionally give me the HDCP error message (the first more than the second) and now my third box gives no such message.

Sorry for being longwinded - in short my error message went away with the latest box I've picked up from TWC, but this may be my luck and not that the box is fixed, but I feel the HDMI is much more stable in this revision(2.2)
Were did you get the revision number.? I dont see one on my box.I may have to go and get a new 8300HD. :confused:

on the bottom there should be a sticker with manufacture date and revision no.

so TWC just came out to troubleshoot the issue whereby i can't set channel 712 to record in advance. after a couple calls to his superiors they basically said that because it is a pay per view channel you can't record it. :( it really sucks to have to record the games in SD when you know the HD version is coming through.

How can TWC say that 712 is a PPV channel? There is no extra fee to watch MSG HD if you subscribe to the HD extra package.

[QUOTE=coneyparleg]on the bottom there should be a sticker with manufacture date and revision no.[/QUOTE

Yes i see it on my box. Its the same as yours,2.2 :cool:

If TWC ever had the bandwidth to carry it, would you pay around $5 extra for VOOM channels?
In a heartbeat.

Any one know ? Do they still have 8300HD firewire boxs at 23st. I going down to 23st today. PLease let me know. Thank you

ANGEL

Hello Everyone, I just moved to NYC and I just got TWC (3510HD Pioneer Box). I have it attached HDMI (JVC LCD)-->DVI. Now don't flame me for asking the question, but has anyone else gotten the freeze up when they hit the guide button? Just want to make sure it's not me. And if so, is there any other non-DVR (i survive with my replayTV), DVH/HDMI compatible box to get (BTW, I live in Manhattan)?

Thanks

Ross

Any one know ? Do they still have 8300HD firewire boxs at 23st. I going down to 23st today. PLease let me know. Thank you

ANGEL

It seemed they had a bunch on Monday, and when I mentioned firewire the CSR gave a knowing smile and knew exactly what I was asking for, so they must have got in a large batch.

I just get back from 23st got a new 8300HD box. It fixed my massage problem Your HDTV does not support HDCP.I hope its gone for good.If any one wants one, they have loads of them.

If you can't use the firewire for an external hard drive, what is it for?

Thanks,
Jason

If you can't use the firewire for an external hard drive, what is it for?

Thanks,
Jason
You cant connect it to an external hard drive, but you can connect it to a D-VHS VCR to record High Def video, or in the future, an HD capable DVD Recorder.

For the external hard drive, you need to use the SATA connection, which is hopefully activated in these new boxes (as I have stated before, TWC told me that boxes manufactured after 07/05 should have active SATA ports.

Someone who just got a firewire enabled 8300HD can maybe go into the diagnostic mode and see if SATA is active. I think it should be listed on the diagnostic menu.

Out of curiosity, Has anyone ever tried hooking the firewire up to a PC? None of my boxes have active firewire so I cant try it. I am curious to see if the little box pops up in the corner saying "New Hardware Found, Explorer 8300HD" lol.

has anyone else gotten the freeze up when they hit the guide button?
It's a known issue with this STB -- when you hit the guide button while on anyone of a few channels (e.g., 705). Someone else can tell you which are the others. You just need to reboot the box.

Did anyone notice how bad the picture was on the MSG-HD Ranger game last night. There was so many artifacts that it looked terrible. Then I switched to HD Net for their hockey game and what a difference...

yeah I noticed it, the picture looked very grainy, not very sharp, the game on HDNET looked awesome. I sit about 7 feet from my TV and I could tell that there was something not so sharp with the game on MSG, I didn't try the SD version of the game figuring that would just be unwatchable.

You cant connect it to an external hard drive, but you can connect it to a D-VHS VCR to record High Def video, or in the future, an HD capable DVD Recorder.

For the external hard drive, you need to use the SATA connection, which is hopefully activated in these new boxes (as I have stated before, TWC told me that boxes manufactured after 07/05 should have active SATA ports.

Someone who just got a firewire enabled 8300HD can maybe go into the diagnostic mode and see if SATA is active. I think it should be listed on the diagnostic menu.

Out of curiosity, Has anyone ever tried hooking the firewire up to a PC? None of my boxes have active firewire so I cant try it. I am curious to see if the little box pops up in the corner saying "New Hardware Found, Explorer 8300HD" lol.

Doesn't the SATA port depends on whether you hava SARA or PASSPORT?
I thought it is not supported by PASSPORT.

You cant connect it to an external hard drive, but you can connect it to a D-VHS VCR to record High Def video, or in the future, an HD capable DVD Recorder.

For the external hard drive, you need to use the SATA connection, which is hopefully activated in these new boxes (as I have stated before, TWC told me that boxes manufactured after 07/05 should have active SATA ports.

Someone who just got a firewire enabled 8300HD can maybe go into the diagnostic mode and see if SATA is active. I think it should be listed on the diagnostic menu.

Out of curiosity, Has anyone ever tried hooking the firewire up to a PC? None of my boxes have active firewire so I cant try it. I am curious to see if the little box pops up in the corner saying "New Hardware Found, Explorer 8300HD" lol.
I tried to hook up my 8300HD fireware to my PC. I get found new hardware wizard but when you try to install the wizard cannot find the necessary software.It found every thing i have on fireware but it looks like it cant find the software :confused:

I tried to hook up my 8300HD fireware to my PC. I get found new hardware wizard but when you try to install the wizard cannot find the necessary software.It found every thing i have on fireware but it looks like it cant find the software :confused:
Check out this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=403695) for info on connecting the firewire to a PC. Note that the procedure to get it working is not for the faint of heart. If I ever get my hands on a firewire enabled 8300hd I'll give it a go.

Does anyone know if the new 8300HDs are available for pick-up at the TWC office in Brooklyn?

Thanks.

Doesn't the SATA port depends on whether you hava SARA or PASSPORT?
I thought it is not supported by PASSPORT.

According to a TWC floor manager the SATA port should be enabled on the newest boxes, so maybe it is finally working with Passport.

I may get a new 8300HD soon, and I will hopefully be able to get my hands on a 300GB SATA drive. I will definitly give it a try when I can, but in the mean time anyone with one of these newer firewire enabled boxes can maybe try it if they can get an external SATA drive.

Check out this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=403695) for info on connecting the firewire to a PC. Note that the procedure to get it working is not for the faint of heart. If I ever get my hands on a firewire enabled 8300hd I'll give it a go.

Wow ill try it as soon as i have the time. Thank you for this thread

Angel :cool:

I have to return my 8300 because it does not output 5.1 when using hdmi. I understand its only capable with newer versions rev 2.2 and up mine is 1.2. So anyone getting a new box and wish to output 5.1 when using hdmi make sure you get and rev 2.2 version.

Anyone else have audio problems on ESPN? Last night during the game (Hokies roll!) I kept getting a crackling sound from the right speaker and this has happened before.

Do they even broadcast in 5.1?

Anyone pick up a new 8300 at 23rd st. today? Thinking of going by tomorrow and wanted to know if they had a bunch.

Thinking of swapping my 3250HD for a 2nd 8300HD until I can watch everything on the existing 8300HD. Wondering if I'll be able to get the 3250 back if I ultimately want it.

Anyone pick up a new 8300 at 23rd st. today? Thinking of going by tomorrow and wanted to know if they had a bunch.

Thinking of swapping my 3250HD for a 2nd 8300HD until I can watch everything on the existing 8300HD. Wondering if I'll be able to get the 3250 back if I ultimately want it.

AS of yesterday they had a bunch of 8300HD on the shelves ,so they should have them. :cool:

Check out this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=403695) for info on connecting the firewire to a PC. Note that the procedure to get it working is not for the faint of heart. If I ever get my hands on a firewire enabled 8300hd I'll give it a go.


I'd check out this thread (or lack of it) instead.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6380734#post6380734

So, now that we have 8300 HD's with working firewire, and possibly with working SATA, when are we ever going to see the Multi Room boxes?

The descriptions from Scientific Atlanta make them sound really cool. Being able to watch recorded content from one room in any other room in the house using a MR capable STB. I have 2 DVR's since I cant always catch everything I want to watch on just one, so I would love to be able to watch stuff recorded on my bedroom DVR out in my living room, or vice versa if I want to relax in bed and watch something I taped in the living room.

I am not going ot hold my breath. By the time we get Multi Room DVR's from TWC NYC Verzons's Fios TV may be available instead, lol.

Anyone know if they have the newer versions of the 8300HD at Queens Center?

I have 2 DVR's since I cant always catch everything I want to watch on just one, so I would love to be able to watch stuff recorded on my bedroom DVR out in my living room, or vice versa if I want to relax in bed and watch something I taped in the living room.

I am not going ot hold my breath. By the time we get Multi Room DVR's from TWC NYC Verzons's Fios TV may be available instead, lol.

With regards to multi-room DVR. my understanding is that one STB is the master and all the others are 'clients'. The master is the only STB that can record. The clients can view recorded material from the master, but NOT visa versa.

Am I able to pick up a CableCard @ 23rd st? Is it worth it to have both a cable box and the cable card?

Thanks

Am I able to pick up a CableCard @ 23rd st? Is it worth it to have both a cable box and the cable card?


Yeah, I would love to hear some feedback on this as well.

A CableCard/converter would be worthwhile if you wanted the reported better PQ from cards, and especially if your display resolves detail up the ~1600 lilnes (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5911408&&#post5911408) measured from HDNet's test pattern at TWC in Calif--or even up to ~1366 lines. Actual program resolution likely wouldn't be that crisp (1600); a resolvable detail limit of ~1450 lines is often cited. Also, unless someone here with a card setup measures ~1600 lines with HDNet (Tuesdays 6 am ET), NYC TWC's rate-shapng (to boost bandwidth availability) may be restricting that much resolution. I and others have found the 8300HD is limited to <1300 lines (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424), while the 8000HD delivered a remarkably low 890 lines. -- John

Got the new 8300 w/ firewire today from 23rd St. Was actually a pretty pleasant experience. There were about 10 separate CSRs which made the line move pretty quickly. My box is Rev 2.2 and was mfg on 9/10/05. It has v. 1.8.111 of the software and the hard drive is listed as 148.9 gb (forgot what the old 8300 was but sounds about the same).

So far pq is great. Can't really say whether it's better than the prev. 8300 but it's very good. Have the Audio Digital Out menu item. Just hoping this box is more stable than my previous one has been lately.

I got my second 8300HD yesterday and followed the instructions for the firewire hookup to the PC. I successfully recorded a clip to my PC via Firewire, but then the box tends to reboot a lot when I connect the Firewire cord. Don't know what that's all about.

My E-Mail:
Hello, Is it true that Time Warner Cable and NBC Universal has reached an agreement for its Universal-HD ? If so can you tell me when Universal-HD will begin transmissions on TWC of NYC?


Response:
"Thanks for your interest in Universal HD. I have forwarded your request to TWC of NYC, whom I am working with to facilitate a launch. Your requests and all consumer requests for the product help us make a case. While a cop. deal has been negotiated, we are still working locally to get this done."

Thanks.
Heather McCallion
NBC Universal Cable
Regional Director, Affiliate Sales
900 Sylvan Avenue, 1 CNBC Plaza
Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632
P 201-735-3573
F 201-735-3592

My Email:
Can you tell me when STARZ-HD will be avaliable on Time Warner Cable of NYC?
As well as STARZ On Demand?

Response:
"Andy, thanks for your interest in Starz HD and Starz On Demand. I don’t know about our HD channel, but I do know that Time Warner Cable has opted not to offer its customers Starz On Demand. Thanks for your inquiry."


Starz Entertainment Group

I also picked up a fw equipped 8300 at 23rd st yesterday as a swap to my older one which was super flaky wrt the HDCP handshake - so shaky that I'd switched to component. The rep didn't know what fw was so she asked the roving guy behind the counter if they had them - he opened a cabinet all the way to the left and there was a stack of them he motioned to, at least 10-12 boxes.

He specifically told the csr not to give them out unless people specifically asked for firewire b/c "we don't have lots of these" so take that fwiw.

Also, in response to me asking him about hdcp handshake issues (big mistake!) he told me it'd be much better with the new box now that I would have "firewire protection." Classic! :D

TM

With regards to multi-room DVR. my understanding is that one STB is the master and all the others are 'clients'. The master is the only STB that can record. The clients can view recorded material from the master, but NOT visa versa.
I was actually thinking I would have 2 8300HD MR boxes, so I could record on both, and then the other rooms would have a nonDVR MR client box. If it would work like that, being able tohave 2 DVR's on the MR network, it would be sweet, but even if you can only have one MR DVR it would still be a vewry cool feature.

Hey all,
I just got the new 8300HD box with the firewire today from Queens center. This is the second one that I have gotten today, the first was having HDCP issues. Using the HDMI port this second one I get no audio through the HDMI cable and on the HD channels and no audio or video on any other channels through the HDMI. Is anyboy else experiencing problems like this?

Thanks
-slack

I should have included inthe previous post it has a manfuctaer date of 9/10/2005 and rev 2.2

-slack

No picture on HBO HD.
Anyone else experiencing this?
Please check 701 or 208.
I get picture on 201 & 3.
Thanks

Hey all,
I just got the new 8300HD box with the firewire today from Queens center. This is the second one that I have gotten today, the first was having HDCP issues. Using the HDMI port this second one I get no audio through the HDMI cable and on the HD channels and no audio or video on any other channels through the HDMI. Is anyboy else experiencing problems like this?

Thanks
-slack
No problems like that. I get video 5.1 audio through HDMI I did have HDCP issues with my first 8300HD box. I got a second box that fixed everything. Go and get anew one
Good luck :(

Hey all,
I just got the new 8300HD box with the firewire today from Queens center. This is the second one that I have gotten today, the first was having HDCP issues. Using the HDMI port this second one I get no audio through the HDMI cable and on the HD channels and no audio or video on any other channels through the HDMI. Is anyboy else experiencing problems like this?

Thanks
-slack


Bring up "Quick Settings" menu.
Then press yellow button for more settings.
Look for "Output Formats".
Enable only 1080i or 720p, which ever is the native for your display.
Then look for "Audio Digital Out".
Enable HDMI in there.
Do not enable 480i, HDMI does not support it.
You should be good to go then.

The 8300 comes w/ 480i enabled so when you hook it up via HDMI to a display that can't handle 480i over HDMI (many can't including my Samsung) you may get errors. Tune to an HD channel and then you can get into the menus to disable 480i. Mine has worked fine so far.

Eddie and Eric, you guys rock! That did the trick. My TV is a Samsung also, HLP-5085. I have spoken to about 10 people over at TWC and one is worse than the next. I appreciate the help, you saved me a third trip down there in 2 days. I notice when I have a LD channel now that there are thin black bars inside the regular sidebars (the one on the right is a little thicker than the one on the left). Is this normal with the HDMI? I did not have this with my previous box with a DVI connection, the picture would go right up to the sidebar.

Thanks again,
-slack

I have those thin black bars on some channels just inside the gray pillar bars when in 4:3 aspect mode on my Samsung CRT TXP 3064W as well with HDMI. I seem to recall I had this with component but I use the zoom function regularly on these channels so it is not an annoyance any more.

Eddie and Eric, you guys rock! That did the trick. My TV is a Samsung also, HLP-5085. I have spoken to about 10 people over at TWC and one is worse than the next. I appreciate the help, you saved me a third trip down there in 2 days. I notice when I have a LD channel now that there are thin black bars inside the regular sidebars (the one on the right is a little thicker than the one on the left). Is this normal with the HDMI? I did not have this with my previous box with a DVI connection, the picture would go right up to the sidebar.

Thanks again,
-slack

With the 8300 over HDMI you can save different aspect ratio settings for different channel resolutions (e.g. HD settings can be different than SD settings). Since I hate the gray sidebars that the 8300 puts in for 4:3 material, I have the 8300 set to "Widescreen" & "Stretch 4:3" for SD channels. For HD channels I have it set to "Widescreen" & "Sidebar 4:3" which doesn't really put in sidebars since the HD channels are widescreen. So tune to an SD channel, go into the settings and configure; then tune to an HD channel, go into the settings again and configure and if you go back to the SD channel, the original settings should still hold.

Then I leave the Samsung in the "Wide" picture mode when watching HD and the "4:3" picture mode when watching SD. The result is that the Samsung inserts even black sidebars for 4:3 material (the 4:3 mode on the Samsung does this) and on HD channels, everything is in widescreen. What's really nice for my setup (should work for yours but may not) is the Samsung automatically does the picture mode change (from Wide to 4:3 for example) when going from and HD channel to an SD channel. I think it's b/c there are more picture size options for 480p channels than 720p or 1080i and the Samsung happens to just cycle through the modes the way I want it - I think I'm just lucky that it worked out that way.

You're probably now very confused and not sure if I answered your question but try to set it up the way I described and I bet you'll be pleased w/ the results.

BTW - make sure you have 480p, 720p and 1080i all selected as your output formats (480i should NOT be selected).

Eddie and Eric, you guys rock! That did the trick. My TV is a Samsung also, HLP-5085. I have spoken to about 10 people over at TWC and one is worse than the next. I appreciate the help, you saved me a third trip down there in 2 days. I notice when I have a LD channel now that there are thin black bars inside the regular sidebars (the one on the right is a little thicker than the one on the left). Is this normal with the HDMI? I did not have this with my previous box with a DVI connection, the picture would go right up to the sidebar.

Thanks again,
-slack

YOou can get rid of that by clecking on the vidio source button.You will get aspect ratio on the bottom of the screen :cool:

Looks like we should be getting a new channel soon. Time Warner just agreed to carry Universal HD. Let's hope more are on the way!

Info Here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=596936)

Looks like we should be getting a new channel soon. Time Warner just agreed to carry Universal HD. Let's hope more are on the way!

Info Here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=596936)
They havent given an offical idea of the time frame yet have they? I wonder if we will get it before the years end. That is a channel I have wanted for a good while. Supposedly that channel airs Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Gallactica in HD (albeit upscaled). That would make a geek like me very happy, lol.

Is the Rangers game in HD tonight? what channel?

They havent given an offical idea of the time frame yet have they? I wonder if we will get it before the years end. That is a channel I have wanted for a good while. Supposedly that channel airs Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Gallactica in HD (albeit upscaled). That would make a geek like me very happy, lol.

YOur gonna be very dissapointed if thats what your expecting from Universal HD.
It does show BS Galactica in HD reruns once the current season is over but thats about it from the list you have. Everything else is hours of Law & Order and Monk reruns with the US Open Tennis and GOlf once a year. THey show the occational older movie but thats about it. It surprises me how much you guys want this channel with the amount of junk on it. Go check out the schedule one the NBC Universal Web site.

Can i get some help on this please. I have aDenon AV 4806 it has 3 HDMI inputs 1 output. My tv is a XBR32-960 and a8300HD cable box with firewire. When i go from 8300HD HDMI to the sony tv every thing works fine.Its when i use the Denon as a switcer HDMI cable box to Denon in and a HDMI cable out to tv. I get your HDTV does not support HDCP.It only happens when i use the Denon. It works fine when i use cable box to TV.Does anyone know why this happens.
Any help?? THANK YOU ANGEL

Is the Rangers game in HD tonight? what channel?

Yes, the HD simulcast will air on 722 (INHD2) at 7pm.

Anybody know what non-DVR boxes are being given out now? I maybe be moving out of my friend's place and into my own, and since I am not the account holder here I would have to open a new account, so I doubt I'll be able to bring my box with me. Right now I have an SA 3250HD (which I love), but I don't know if I'll be able to get another one anymore. Are they still giving those out, or only the Pioneers? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Anybody know what non-DVR boxes are being given out now? I maybe be moving out of my friend's place and into my own, and since I am not the account holder here I would have to open a new account, so I doubt I'll be able to bring my box with me. Right now I have an SA 3250HD (which I love), but I don't know if I'll be able to get another one anymore. Are they still giving those out, or only the Pioneers? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Have no clue what non-DVR boxes they are giving out, I have two 8300HD boxes and will never go back.
And if you have the cable wire in your new place just plug in your box that you have now & give your buddy that 9 or so dollars a month for the extra box.
I got 2 extra boxes floating around in my dad's house and my sisters house, now they don't have to pay for cable.

Anybody know what non-DVR boxes are being given out now? I maybe be moving out of my friend's place and into my own, and since I am not the account holder here I would have to open a new account, so I doubt I'll be able to bring my box with me. Right now I have an SA 3250HD (which I love), but I don't know if I'll be able to get another one anymore. Are they still giving those out, or only the Pioneers? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Was at 23rd St. in Manhattan on Sat. and it looked like they were giving out Pioneer 3510s. Didn't see any 3250's other than the one I returned for a new 8300HD.

NJ Nets via YES-HD is now on the guide. On channel 708 for 11/2 & 11/5 at 7:30pm.

Suspect there aren't many capturing Firewire outputs from the 8300HD to JVC, etc. decks or computers. But, since this would bypass the 8300HD's video-output chip, wonder if anyone believes the captured HD looks better than standard 8300Hd outputs--perhaps equivalent to CableCard PQ?

Most accurate measurement would be from HDNet's Tuesday 6 am ET test patterns, using this technique (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424). One TWC Calif. CableCard subscriber measured 1600 lines maximum horizontal resolution from HDNet. A number of non-CableCard 8300HD measurements suggest a maximum of <1300 lines. -- John

Is this Bob Watsons correct email address?

Bob.watson@twcable.com

If so I emailed him almost 2 months ago with no reply. How long does he usually take to send a response? If that address is not the correct one, can someone please tell me what is? Thanks.

Is this Bob Watsons correct email address?

Bob.watson@twcable.com

If so I emailed him almost 2 months ago with no reply. How long does he usually take to send a response? If that address is not the correct one, can someone please tell me what is? Thanks.

Yeah that's his email, He answers back in a day or two depending on the subject & who you are. It might help to also copy some TWC Exec's to your email.

John,
I could do this but I've been very lazy. Or more accurately, nesting ahead of my wife's delivery - we're expecting twins any second now. So I've been trying to make sure our place is ready (it's not!!)

I'll try to get around to this but can't promise anything. . .
TM

PS - one other thing, my DVHS deck only has component out, no HDMI, so it'd be introducing some d/a a/d conversion into the playback chain that wouldn't be there with a deck with HDMI out...

Suspect there aren't many capturing Firewire outputs from the 8300HD to JVC, etc. decks or computers. But, since this would bypass the 8300HD's video-output chip, wonder if anyone believes the captured HD looks better than standard 8300Hd outputs--perhaps equivalent to CableCard PQ?

I'll try to get around to this but can't promise anything. . .

PS - one other thing, my DVHS deck only has component out, no HDMI, so it'd be introducing some d/a a/d conversion into the playback chain that wouldn't be there with a deck with HDMI out...
Thanks. Might make Firewire out an alternative to those without the CableCard (or HDMI here) options. Haven't seen any 8300HD HDMI versus 8300HD component HDNet resolution comparisons either, although FredB, who got the CableCard 1600-line reading at TWC Calif., indicated he planned trying it. -- John

Edit: This updated post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6689549&&#post6689549) indicates FredB's 1600 CableCArd measurement wouldn't have been possible with a 1366-line display panel.

If I just requested a change from my Pioneer HD box to an HD DVR box, what are the chances of me receiving an 8300HD versus an older 8000HD? My understanding is that there are only 2 HD DVR's available from Time Warner Cable in NYC, is that correct?

I'm only familiar with the Pioneer HD box that I've had for about 3 years from Time Warner that I've never changed, so I'm unfamiliar with the currently available boxes and HD DVR's.

I no longer just want an HD box, rather, I want an HD DVR box that will eliminate my Tivo (which required its own standard definition box, which i can also eliminate along with my Tivo).

thank you in advance.

Channel 708 now has a Subscription Service message on the screen, my scheduled recording looks like it will be canceled. Hopefully it will unlocked at 7:30 for the Nets game.

If I just requested a change from my Pioneer HD box to an HD DVR box, what are the chances of me receiving an 8300HD versus an older 8000HD? My understanding is that there are only 2 HD DVR's available from Time Warner Cable in NYC, is that correct?

I'm only familiar with the Pioneer HD box that I've had for about 3 years from Time Warner that I've never changed, so I'm unfamiliar with the currently available boxes and HD DVR's.

I don't know if they still hand out those horrible SA8000 boxes anymore, When I went to 23rd to change my SA8000 SD the lady gave me a SA8300 without having to specifically ask for it.

Thank you, AndyHDTV, for your posting to help answer my question.

May i also ask if there is much difference between using 3 component cables versus the HDMI cable?

when using the HDMI cable, there is the additional issue of having to "tell" the HD DVR box that i have a separate home theater sound system so as to NOT default to 2 channel sound, as the HDMI cable is connected to my Sony 60XBR1 TV, which only has 2 channel sound. i need the HD DVR's digital audio output to be outputting 5.1 sound so my processor/receiver can receive 5.1 audio information from the HD DVR.

has anyone had experience with this?

thanks in advance!

Is anyone getting the Nets game on 708? In Staten Island the guide says the game is on but I have a grey screen.

I'm getting the game in HD here in Fort Lee, NJ.

Game on in Manhattan - 708

My TV will be here on Friday so I am going to the TWC to get and HD DVR box. Is there a model number or revision I should be sure that I get?

Thanks

Is anyone getting the Nets game on 708? In Staten Island the guide says the game is on but I have a grey screen.

CSR said it is a local problem that they are aware of and supposedly working on.

My TV will be here on Friday so I am going to the TWC to get and HD DVR box. Is there a model number or revision I should be sure that I get?

Thanks

8300HD-DVR-2.2 :)

anyone know why the knicks game was not in hd tonight? I thought that msg-hd had finally been added -- is it only for home games? thanks.

anyone know why the knicks game was not in hd tonight? I thought that msg-hd had finally been added -- is it only for home games? thanks.

Yes, only Knick home games are on MSG-HD via channel 712.
& Ranger home games
& Net home games on 708.

SLEUTH Network

"The SD digital channel will be available January 1, 2006, with the VOD and HD offerings available later in 2006."

TWC will be the first to get it.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/pr.cgi?id=20051102nuts01

I just recieved a new cable install today on Staten Island. I ordered a bunch of 8300HD's and they were all revision 2.4.

I have them hooked up today via component so I havent seen any difference between them and earlier revisions. But I must say they are a nice improvement over my prior 8000HD. I really like the ability to search by entering the names of shows directly.

I am going to be connecting via HDMI soon. Ill see if there are any improvements.

I also got Road Runner premium. Wow, is it fast. Im getting downloas of 8.2M and uploads of 500K. I was downloading some software and it literally said done less than a second after I hit the ok to download button. Pretty cool.

Suspect there aren't many capturing Firewire outputs from the 8300HD to JVC, etc. decks or computers. But, since this would bypass the 8300HD's video-output chip, wonder if anyone believes the captured HD looks better than standard 8300Hd outputs--perhaps equivalent to CableCard PQ?

Most accurate measurement would be from HDNet's Tuesday 6 am ET test patterns, using this technique (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424). One TWC Calif. CableCard subscriber measured 1600 lines maximum horizontal resolution from HDNet. A number of non-CableCard 8300HD measurements suggest a maximum of <1300 lines. -- John


There is a problem with the IEEE 1394 ports on the SA8300s as far as I can tell. Look for the link to the thread in the SA8300 Topic Sticky.

Isn't working to computers on non 5c material.

It shuts down the DVHS from recording on any channel with a CP flashing light - obviously means its Copy Protected even when the channel is not set that way.

FWIW, the SA3250HD works fine on both counts and I suppose you could make the same argument for it.

I can tell you with SA8300HD running HDMI to HDMI vs a SA CableCard in the same TV, there is still a night and day difference - the difference between film and video.

Its rather sad as it means I don't use the SA8300 for most of my watching. And as my local TWC/Brighthouse network is compressing the OTA signals, its a double loss from OTA.

The long awaited event is here now. Good Morning America is being broadcast in High Definition. Seems like only the in-studio material is in HD. All news segments have the side bars listing "ABC News"

SLEUTH Network

"The SD digital channel will be available January 1, 2006, with the VOD and HD offerings available later in 2006."

TWC will be the first to get it.

I'm sure that NYC will be the last TWC market to get it.
-JMP

The long awaited event is here now. Good Morning America is being broadcast in High Definition. Seems like only the in-studio material is in HD. All news segments have the side bars listing "ABC News"

It actually looks pretty good. I guess I'll be watching more GMA than "Today" in the future.

Regards....JL

So question, It's Rangers vs. Devils tonight. The rangers are away, but they are all part of the same basic family of channel. Will they show the game in HD tonight on 712?

So question, It's Rangers vs. Devils tonight. The rangers are away, but they are all part of the same basic family of channel. Will they show the game in HD tonight on 712?

They didn't show the game in HD the last time the Rnagers played in NJ. Also I believe there was a Devil's home game recently broadcast on MSG against another team and it was not in HD. Rangers vs Islanders from Nassau Coliseum was not in HD. Makes no sense since like you said FSNY HD and MSG HD are owned by Cablevision and the Meadowlands and Coliseum are obviously set up to do the Devil's and Islander's home games in HD.

Yes, only Knick home games are on MSG-HD via channel 712.
& Ranger home games.

??? Are you sure???
I really hope that you are right but I was under the impression that the little bit of MSG HD we got was just a temporary testing period. In fact, I thought this was even stated in one Bob W's e mails to you. :confused:

Unfortunately the Rangers game won't be in HD tonight as beatles pointed out. While TWC says they don't have a contract for MSG-HD yet they have been showing all home games in HD on 712. OLN HD games have been shown on 722.

??? Are you sure???
I really hope that you are right but I was under the impression that the little bit of MSG HD we got was just a temporary testing period. In fact, I thought this was even stated in one Bob W's e mails to you. :confused:

there's a ranger hame game on 712 for saturday at 1pm

there's a ranger hame game on 712 for saturday at 1pm

That’s good to hear. I hope we continue to get MSG HD. Regular MSG looks so bad. It has to be one of the worst looking SD channels I’ve seen. It’s like looking through a glass window that's being pelted with rain. I tried to watch a bit of the Knicks last night but I bailed.

By the way, I had major drop outs last night on 708 during the Nets game. I couldn’t watch it was so bad but I came back after an hour or so and it was ok.

FYI...
Just picked up the 8300HD-DVR-2.2 from TWC's Jamaica store, they have some in stock.

Regular MSG looks so bad. It has to be one of the worst looking SD channels I’ve seen. It’s like looking through a glass window that's being pelted with rain. I tried to watch a bit of the Knicks last night but I bailed.


I completely agree, I recorded to the Knick game and attempted to watch it last night until my brain told me that it was the worst PQ I'v every seen for a SD channel.

I'm not looking foward to watching any kind of sports offered on MSG (SD) simply because of the horrible PQ.

And I'm a big Knicks & Rangers fan

I just recieved a new cable install today on Staten Island. I ordered a bunch of 8300HD's and they were all revision 2.4.

I have them hooked up today via component so I havent seen any difference between them and earlier revisions. But I must say they are a nice improvement over my prior 8000HD. I really like the ability to search by entering the names of shows directly.

I am going to be connecting via HDMI soon. Ill see if there are any improvements.

I also got Road Runner premium. Wow, is it fast. Im getting downloas of 8.2M and uploads of 500K. I was downloading some software and it literally said done less than a second after I hit the ok to download button. Pretty cool.
Let us know when you hook up the HDMI cable if you get your HDTV does not support HDCP. I hope Revision 2.4 fixed this?? :D

That’s good to hear. I hope we continue to get MSG HD. Regular MSG looks so bad. It has to be one of the worst looking SD channels I’ve seen. It’s like looking through a glass window that's being pelted with rain. I tried to watch a bit of the Knicks last night but I bailed.

By the way, I had major drop outs last night on 708 during the Nets game. I couldn’t watch it was so bad but I came back after an hour or so and it was ok.

I completely agree with you about the major drop outs last nite....absolutely HORRENDOUS!! I thought that problem would be eliminated when i finally got TWC to come out and swap the awful SA 8000 box for the 8300 model, a couple months ago. Well, after an initial honeymoon phase with the new box, i've now experienced pic freezes, audio drops and some grey screens ALMOST as bad as with the 8000 box.

Also agree that the MSG SD pic is AWFUL. :(

Hello all:

I have a question regarding audio. I have the 8300 box (not sure the revision #, but I got it maybe a month ago). I am wondering, does TWC send any DD signals at all anymore? I have had DD come through my old standard digital cable box on some channels, and I could have sworn I have seen 5.1 come through in the past. However, the last couple of days I have not seen any 5.1 coming through, particularly on HBO HD and the network prime time dramas. Anyone have any info on this?

BTW I have an optical cable running from the 8300 to my receiver, and no other audio hook up at all from the cable box. Also, I have checked and rechecked to make sure that my 'general settings; audio digital out' is set to output DD.

Thanks in advance for any and all info regarding this topic.

I have an 8300HD, and last night I had a scheduling conflict that was handled differently (and better) than I remember from previous conflicts. I had three scheduled recordings:

show A from 8:00 - 9:00
show B from 8:00 - 9:00
show C from 8:00 - 8:30

The priorities of the shows was such that show B was marked as not being recorded. Since show B was the one I cared least about, I figured that was the best I could do. However, when I checked later that night, the box had recorded show A and C in their entirety, and then additionally recorded the second half hour of show B. It's not all that great being able to see the second half of show B, but I think it's better than not recording it at all.

-barry

So are most people able to set channel 712 to record in advance? i'm still suffering from the "unrecordable channel" syndrome when i try to set my 8300 to record the Rangers/Devils game this Saturday.

Also, has anyone tried to hook one of these external maxtor quickview (http://www.weaknees.com/maxtor_qvx.php) drives to their 8300 yet?

Hi I'm new to TWC. What HD channels will I get if I just hook up the cable straight to the cable input on the back of my QAM/ATSC tuner? Basically I'm asking what HD channels are unencrypted since I don't know if I am getting a box from my new landlord yet although he told me he subscribes to digital cable, whatever that entails...

So are most people able to set channel 712 to record in advance? i'm still suffering from the "unrecordable channel" syndrome when i try to set my 8300 to record the Rangers/Devils game this Saturday.

Also, has anyone tried to hook one of these external maxtor quickview (http://www.weaknees.com/maxtor_qvx.php) drives to their 8300 yet?

As usual can't record any future games at the moment. Only when the channel is unlocked. Next time games appear I will set it to record the entire series to avoid these ridiculous cat & mouse games with these HD channels. (708 &712)

Hi I'm new to TWC. What HD channels will I get if I just hook up the cable straight to the cable input on the back of my QAM/ATSC tuner? Basically I'm asking what HD channels are unencrypted since I don't know if I am getting a box from my new landlord yet although he told me he subscribes to digital cable, whatever that entails...

I believe you will be able to recieve:
CBS-HD
NBC-HD
FOX-HD
ABC-HD
UPN-HD
Discovery-HD

I don't know about TNT-HD or any of the 2 HD Specials Channels.

I got a 3250HD with active Firewire port (after much confusion from the folks at Queens Center Mall). Anyway, it's fairly easy to hook up the stb to your computer via the firewire connection if you know your way around your computer. This'll get you started:
"htpcnews" dot "com", then "/forums/index.php?showtopic=10499&st=0"

The only problem that I currently have is that the HD channels appear to be 5c encrypted. Thus I can't see any of them via the firewire input. I've only been on it for about an hour, though, so I could easily be screwing something up. If I figure it out, I'll let you know. And if you know what I'm doing wrong, please feel free to enlighten me. I need it.

CT

While TWC says they don't have a contract for MSG-HD yet they have been showing all home games in HD on 712. .

Ok, I’m slow, :confused:

...can anyone tell me if I will be watching the Knicks tonight in HD via TW??? :confused:

When you recieve your cable bill on the left side it says that effective 10/31/2005 PPV Channels 79 & 96 will no longer be available. And that users must Upgrade to DTV and view PPV on channel 301.

This is a step in the right direction, and it will hopefully free up two Analog slots for 4 HD channels.

first of all they are 1 channel. it was channel 79 manhattan, channel 96 brooklyn-queens. this will eliminate theft of analog pay per view. and for those that read here regularly, just because bandwith is available does not mean it will be occupied by HD channels the next day. In the mind of a cable company "Do I use the bandwith to put on 2-3 HD channels and please 10% of customers, 12 channels to please 100% of my customers, or save for future services?" There's things coming down the pipe such as Start Over that will require more bandwith

first of all they are 1 channel. it was channel 79 manhattan, channel 96 brooklyn-queens. this will eliminate theft of analog pay per view. and for those that read here regularly, just because bandwith is available does not mean it will be occupied by HD channels the next day. In the mind of a cable company "Do I use the bandwith to put on 2-3 HD channels and please 10% of customers, 12 channels to please 100% of my customers, or save for future services?" There's things coming down the pipe such as Start Over that will require more bandwith

Good point. However I think most would agree that the addition of UPN and WB in HD would be the right thing to do if bandwidth allowed for it. It's hard to understand why the biggest cable company in the biggest city can't offer all of the local network channels in HD. Even Cablevision has the WB, which is owned by Time Warner!!

Good point. However I think most would agree that the addition of UPN and WB in HD would be the right thing to do if bandwidth allowed for it. It's hard to understand why the biggest cable company in the biggest city can't offer all of the local network channels in HD. Even Cablevision has the WB, which is owned by Time Warner!!

so true, and also we are recieving UPN-HD but only when viewed in Diagnastic mode.

I have no idea why it's still not added to the program guide

company "Do I use the bandwith to put on 2-3 HD channels and please 10% of customers, 12 channels to please 100% of my customers, or save for future services?" There's things coming down the pipe such as Start Over that will require more bandwith


Thanks for the inside skinny once again, it’s always appreciated--
but I don’t fully understand your logic.

Are you implying that 10% of TWC customers have HD? Is this a factual number?

How can you say that adding 12 or so SD channels will satisfy 100% of the customers? What is that based on? What are these channels? How can you say that these new SD channels will interest anybody let alone everyone?

And as far as Start Over, I can’t see that being of interest to anyone but the advertisers-- not for TW customers. If I already have a DVR what’s the big deal about starting some show that is already on but not over yet? Start Over does not sound to exciting to me, maybe that should be the name of the next TW board meeting.

[QUOTE=LL3HD]Thanks for the inside skinny once again, it’s always appreciated--
but I don’t fully understand your logic.

Are you implying that 10% of TWC customers have HD? Is this a factual number?

How can you say that adding 12 or so SD channels will satisfy 100% of the customers? What is that based on? What are these channels? How can you say that these new SD channels will interest anybody let alone everyone?

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I think he's referring to the accessability issue, Larry.

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I think he's referring to the accessability issue, Larry.[/QUOTE]



Accessibility?
Explain, as I mentioned a few posts ago I’m slow. :rolleyes:

And I’m not intending to be hostile to twcinsider, I understand that his/her point started with “in the mind of a cable company”—not necessarily twcinsider’s mind.

By the way, any answers to my earlier question? Will we get the Knicks in HD tonight on 712? :confused:

Total Noob question, sorry.

I just got my HDTV this morning. I was watching the Tony Danza Show on ABC-HD but it did not display in widescreen, it had the side bars. Is this show even broadcast in HD? If not, why put it on the ABCHD channel?

Also, I was watching ESPNHD and that channel also had the sidebars (You know the ones with the graphics on them that ESPN uses) why would the sidebars be there if it is in HD?

I watched a couple of other HD channels and they played full screen with no problem.

Thanks for your help.

Is anyone else not so impressed with the pq quality on the recenet NBA games on 708/712 I forget which channel they were on.

Also in re to recent posts, it just seems to me that TWC is in no rush to be tops in quality, offering and customer service. Its a shame that the bigger company is penny pinching and providing a week HD package when a company like RCN can provide a much more robust package for less. To bad their cable service is not offered in my location, I guess that this is the reality of monopolistic cable companies that divide up regions to avoid competition, which would result in better products on the consumer end.

I just got my HDTV this morning. I was watching the Tony Danza Show on ABC-HD but it did not display in widescreen, it had the side bars. Is this show even broadcast in HD? If not, why put it on the ABCHD channel?

Also, I was watching ESPNHD and that channel also had the sidebars (You know the ones with the graphics on them that ESPN uses) why would the sidebars be there if it is in HD?
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Welcome to the thread. The only HD channels that are 100% HD all of the time are Discovery HD, HD Net, INHD1 and 2. The other HD channels will provide HD programming as is available. Not everything on HBO HD, Showtime HD, CBS HD, NBC HD, FOX HD, ABC HD, PBS HD, ESPN HD—will be in HD. When it’s not a HD program the individual stations provide the side bars. CBS HD usually gives us gray side bars. ESPN usually provides their logo in the side bars.

Welcome to the thread. The only HD channels that are 100% HD all of the time are Discovery HD, HD Net, INHD1 and 2. The other HD channels will provide HD programming as is available. Not everything on HBO HD, Showtime HD, CBS HD, NBC HD, FOX HD, ABC HD, PBS HD, ESPN HD—will be in HD. When it’s not a HD program the individual stations provide the side bars. CBS HD usually gives us gray side bars. ESPN usually provides their logo in the side bars.


Thanks for the welcome!

OK, so I am correct in saying that when there are sidebars, it's not HD?

Why would ESPNHD not be in HD all of the time? (This may be a noob question but I really don't know)

I have to say, watching non-HD channels is pretty crappy with the sidebars, even when I stretch the picture it still looks kind of crappy. Have you guys found HDMI to be better than component cables? I currently have HDMI connect but was wondering if I should try component cables.

Thanks for the welcome!

OK, so I am correct in saying that when there are sidebars, it's not HD?

Why would ESPNHD not be in HD all of the time? (This may be a noob question but I really don't know)

I have to say, watching non-HD channels is pretty crappy with the sidebars, even when I stretch the picture it still looks kind of crappy. Have you guys found HDMI to be better than component cables? I currently have HDMI connect but was wondering if I should try component cables.

If there are sidebars, it most likely is NOT HD.

Another quick way to know (usuall) is to hit the Info button and you will see in the program description if the show is HDTV or not. Most of the time, that info is pretty accurate.

As for the HDMI vs Component issue, you probably won't see an improvement by switching to component. But keep reading these boards and you'll hear lots of opinions on this topic. I use HDMI because of the 1-wire solution as well as to free up the other 2 component inputs for my DVD and Xbox.

Good luck, and welcome.

I have to say, watching non-HD channels is pretty crappy with the sidebars, even when I stretch the picture it still looks kind of crappy. Have you guys found HDMI to be better than component cables? I currently have HDMI connect but was wondering if I should try component cables.


I definitely suggest experimenting with all of the hook up possibilities to see what looks best on your display. I find using the old S video connection works best for SD channels, especially when using the “stretch” feature on my set, not with the set top box. However, I use the component cables, no choice with my set, for both HD and SD and live with the side bars on the SD channels. I find the picture to be fine. No stretching. If I really want to “stretch” something on a SD channel, like a letterboxed movie on 82, I’ll go with the S video set up.

And as far as Start Over, I can’t see that being of interest to anyone but the advertisers-- not for TW customers. If I already have a DVR what’s the big deal about starting some show that is already on but not over yet? Start Over does not sound to exciting to me, maybe that should be the name of the next TW board meeting. Oh I think Start Over will be very interesting and useful, even for DVR owners. I look at it this way: if I'm channel surfing and come across something interesting but it's already half over, I'd love to be able to just start it over and watch the whole thing from the beginning. Sure I could look in the guide to see if it will air again and then record it on the DVR, but maybe it's not airing again or I want instant gratification. So with Start Over I get to watch the whole thing right away. Sure it's limited to NBC-owned networks right now, but if it takes off I'm sure it will be expanded to most channels....and that will rock.

Also, regarding the stretching nonsense, just to reiterate, I never use the stretch or zoom on the remote with the STB. It seems to increase the artifacts. My display has a good stretch mode that fills the screen with minimal distortion but this only works with S video hook up not component.

Need some more help here...

Right now I am watching NBCHD - Judge Judy. There are sidebars so I assume it's not in HD (even though the cable box shows 1080i)

Yet the NBCHD channel looks 100 times better than the regular NBC channel.

Why would the NBCHD channel look better then the regular NBC channel if the NBCHD channel is not in HD?

:confused:

Need some more help here...

Right now I am watching NBCHD - Judge Judy. There are sidebars so I assume it's not in HD (even though the cable box shows 1080i)

Yet the NBCHD channel looks 100 times better than the regular NBC channel.

Why would the NBCHD channel look better then the regular NBC channel if the NBCHD channel is not in HD?

:confused:

What you are watching is Standard definition programming that is upconverted to HD, It not true HD

What you are watching is Standard definition programming that is upconverted to HD, It not true HD

So the NBCHD channel is upconverted and the regular NBC channel is not?

may i ask if anyone has experience going to the Time Warner Cable store on 23rd Street in Manhattan (between Madison and Park Avenues)?

i was told the wait on Saturdays are horrendous, like hours. i was wondering if it's worthwhile to go there on Monday morning, just after 9am, when most people are at work. maybe that would be a good time to go as the lines may not be as long as before 9am.

i need to swap out my HD box for an HDdvr because i'd like to use HDMI between my 60xbr1 and my HD Box/dvr.

any comments/advise would be appreciated.

thanks in advance.

yeah go on a weekday morning, I went once on a Saturday and will never go again, it is usualy in and out on a weekday morning

Mr. Coneyparleg

thanks for your response.

may i ask how much difference you think there is between component cable connection versus HDMI between the HD DVR and my 60xbr1?

thanks!

PS: by the way, as i just got my tv yesterday, the build is from October sp1

So the NBCHD channel is upconverted and the regular NBC channel is not?
Yes, costly pro upconverters do a much better job than the cheaper circuits in cable STBs. And NBC HD (704), being a HD channel, has considerably more bit rate capacity (Mbps, or million bits per second) than the SD channel (04). Each 6-MHz-wide frequency slot can handle about 39 Mbps. Typically, 2+ HDTV channels occupy each 6-MHz slot, while 8-10 SD channels occupy 6-MHz slots. Higher Mbps delivers sharper images with less digital breakups. Normally a large number of channels undergo statistical multiplexing (statmux) together: when little movement and minimum details occur in one channel, the unneeded bandwidth for bits is instantly given to another channel where it's needed more. -- John

So the NBCHD channel is upconverted and the regular NBC channel is not?

NBCHD channel is mostly filled with upconverted SD programs except for certain primetime program and latenight shows. Check the info on the programs and look out for the "HDTV" logo.

Normally a large number of channels undergo statistical multiplexing (statmux) together: when little movement and minimum details occur in one channel, the unneeded bandwidth for bits is instantly given to another channel where it's needed more. -- John

Is it me or does HDNet Movies have compression issues all the time, I tend to see almost every movie has some sort of problem with it. Especially in dark scenes.

Need some more help here... :confused:

Check out this site every day to see what channels are airing programs in HD.

Scroll down on the site

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/programming/guide.php

Is it me or does HDNet Movies have compression issues all the time, I tend to see almost every movie has some sort of problem with it. Especially in dark scenes.
Find that HDNet gives long freeze-frames (several seconds) several times during most programming. Don't watch HDNet Movies that often. Not sure what's causing it...but one newer statmux technique, to avoid lack of bandwidth when high motion/detail occurs simultaneously in several statmuxed channels, is simply delaying some of them briefly to avoid this excessive peak bandwidth demand. Overall, don't notice other significant breakup issues in channels. (Not necessarily a good thing, since excessive filtering, rate shaping, or even reformatting--read about DirecTV's HDlite--can 'smooth' MPEG glitches out while limiting picture fidelity.)

Overheating, poorly ventilated STBs can cause breakups, and coax cabling or malfunctioning/misadjusted amps that distort certain cable frequencies can mess up just certain channels. The old reliable cold reboot (unplugging STBs for ~10 seconds) often cures glitches, too. -- John

Find that HDNet gives long freeze-frames (several seconds) several times during most programming. Don't watch HDNet Movies that often. Not sure what's causing it...but one newer statmux technique, to avoid lack of bandwidth when high motion/detail occurs simultaneously in several statmuxed channels, is simply delaying some of them briefly to avoid this excessive peak bandwidth demand. Overall, don't notice other significant breakup issues in channels. (Not necessarily a good thing, since excessive filtering, rate shaping, or even reformatting--read about DirecTV's HDlite--can 'smooth' MPEG glitches out while limiting picture fidelity.)

does anybody happen to know what "mbps" each of our HD channels have?
Is HDNet Movies lower than the 19.??mbps that is associated with a 1080i signal.

The Rangers HD game on channel 712 at 1pm had some artifacts, but the rangers won so who cares.

The Nets HD game on channel 708 at 730pm is breaking up and is completely unwatchable as of now.

The Rangers HD game on channel 712 at 1pm had some artifacts, but the rangers won so who cares.


unfortunately the game failed to record on my 8300 even though it was set and showed up in red on the channel guide. this is really starting to bug me. once again i miss out on a HD feed, and this time i had to watch the Rangers in 60 replay at 11pm since i wasn't around in the afternoon. watching anything on SD MSG is torture.

since my calls to tech support have gone nowhere i'm going to call in tomorrow or monday and start asking for credits on my DVR rental. after all, why am i paying for a device that doesn't work? until they fix the problem i don't think i should have to pay.

Do I have a bad TV or a bad signal from TWC?

I got a Samsung 50' plasma to replace my good old 36" Sony trinitron HDTV. And it has been bugging the hell out of me!

What I am seeing very clearly, and often, is that bright flesh tones are not rendered correctly. For example, a close-up shot on a white actor/actress will clearly show that the bright areas of the face is washed-out. The entire nose can be a block of bright orange with no gradation inside.

I went to CC several times, there is clearly nothing like that on their Samsung displays. And I had the Sony for 2 years and never noticed anything like that.

I had Samsung tech come out to see it, he claims that there is nothing wrong with the TV. Rather it is TWC that's sending poor signals, and it gets magnified on 50 inch screen. And CC will only show the best quality loops in stores

Are you seeing the same things with your other models of 50 plasmas? How would you isolated the problem of signal vs. TV.

I appreciate any feedbacks.

By the way, the pictures are sharp, other than the occasional noises in the dark backgrounds. So I don't think overall signal quality is the issue. I have also tried both HDMI as well as component inputs

Let us know when you hook up the HDMI cable if you get your HDTV does not support HDCP. I hope Revision 2.4 fixed this?? :D

I finally hooked up the 8300Hd revsion2.4 using HDMI to my 50" Vizio. I had no problems with the hook up once I figured out that I nneded to disable 480. I had absolutely no handshake issues. The picture quality of the HDMI looks identical to component. To be honest, I was a little disapointed by this. I was expecting an imrpovement.

I also noticed in the digital audio out menu, there were 3 choices, HDMI, dolby digital, and 2 channel out. I dont know if this was featured on the 2.2 revision, but Im sure this takes care of the digital audio out problem mentioned earlier on this thread.

The only major difference between this box and my earlier box was when I go into or out of either guide or list, for a split second the image dissapears and then reappers, not really a pain, but jut odd, on my old box the image would expand or contract, and not just vanish.

When they installed the nex boxes, I asked the installer if he knew anything about the SATA port and he told me that they had not even been trained on that. Dissapointing, I was hoping to expand my hard drive.

Has anyone else here had a chance to play with the revision 2.4 boxes.

Do I have a bad TV or a bad signal from TWC?

I got a Samsung 50' plasma to replace my good old 36" Sony trinitron HDTV. And it has been bugging the hell out of me!

What I am seeing very clearly, and often, is that bright flesh tones are not rendered correctly. For example, a close-up shot on a white actor/actress will clearly show that the bright areas of the face is washed-out. The entire nose can be a block of bright orange with no gradation inside.

I went to CC several times, there is clearly nothing like that on their Samsung displays. And I had the Sony for 2 years and never noticed anything like that.

I had Samsung tech come out to see it, he claims that there is nothing wrong with the TV. Rather it is TWC that's sending poor signals, and it gets magnified on 50 inch screen. And CC will only show the best quality loops in stores

Are you seeing the same things with your other models of 50 plasmas? How would you isolated the problem of signal vs. TV.

I appreciate any feedbacks.

It has been known that larger HDTV's show faults in cables HD signal, in this case TWC. Problems are less noticeable on smaller screens.

Are you seeing the same things with your other models of 50 plasmas? How would you isolated the problem of signal vs. TV.

I appreciate any feedbacks.
No, the cable feed is not the source of your grief. I have a 50" plasma and zero problems. If the feed was the problem, you would have seen the same thing on your Sony. There are two possible explanations:

1. Something is wrong with the Samsung. It sounds very similar to a problem I've seen reported with Samsung DLP (HLR series) with red "blotchiness". Swapping out the set fixed it in that case.

2. Your set needs calibration. It could be clipping white. Try lowering the "contrast" setting, and see if the missing shades appear.

Judging by the lack of response to my question regarding audio, I figure no one really cares. . . but I discovered a solution.

I was getting no Dolby Digital stream from my 8300 box, yet in the general settings, I had it set to output Dolby Digital. It wasn't until I switched that setting to stereo (no difference), HDMI (no difference), and finally back to Dolby Digital (big change, as the audio switched off for a moment and then back on) that I started receiving DD from the box. I had to actually select these options and back out of the audio setting area to make these changes 'stick.'

So, now I have DD audio when I am supposed to. How odd that even though the box was set to output DD, and I had DD coming through for a while, that it stopped sending DD and was only sending stereo. I thought maybe it was TW Cable not sending the signal, but no, it was the box telling me it was set to do one thing while it was doing something else.

:confused: I finally hooked up the 8300Hd revsion2.4 using HDMI to my 50" Vizio. I had no problems with the hook up once I figured out that I nneded to disable 480. I had absolutely no handshake issues. The picture quality of the HDMI looks identical to component. To be honest, I was a little disapointed by this. I was expecting an imrpovement.

I also noticed in the digital audio out menu, there were 3 choices, HDMI, dolby digital, and 2 channel out. I dont know if this was featured on the 2.2 revision, but Im sure this takes care of the digital audio out problem mentioned earlier on this thread.

The only major difference between this box and my earlier box was when I go into or out of either guide or list, for a split second the image dissapears and then reappers, not really a pain, but jut odd, on my old box the image would expand or contract, and not just vanish.

When they installed the nex boxes, I asked the installer if he knew anything about the SATA port and he told me that they had not even been trained on that. Dissapointing, I was hoping to expand my hard drive.

Has anyone else here had a chance to play with the revision 2.4 boxes.
No problems with handshake it looks like a fix in the 2.4 boxs. I hope so. Need some more input from other users who have 2.4 boxs. Any one else have 2.4 boxs. Let us know? :confused: By the way 2.2 has digital audio out.

In the mind of a cable company "Do I use the bandwith to put on 2-3 HD channels and please 10% of customers, 12 channels to please 100% of my customers, or save for future services?"


The part of this reasoning I have a problem with is a terrible misread of the customer base and its interest level. And I'm not talking about the specific numbers used - they don't matter to my line of thinking.

What I'm talking about is that HD customers are the most interested - we care, we pay more attention, and in the case of the HD tier, we pay more $. Fact is, adding 2-3 HD channels would make those 10% extremely happy. Adding 12 SD channels would please very few - far fewer than 100%. Most wouldn't even notice. AND most importantly, adding 12 SD channels will royally piss of HD customers, whereas adding 2-3 HD channels will barely register a blip on the radar of the other 90%.

TM

Mr. Coneyparleg

thanks for your response.

may i ask how much difference you think there is between component cable connection versus HDMI between the HD DVR and my 60xbr1?

thanks!

PS: by the way, as i just got my tv yesterday, the build is from October sp1
Idealy you should see a better picture with the HDMI, this connection is supposed to optimize picture and sound. I will say I was not impressed with the picture until I got the rev 2.2 8300 dvr box. Make sure you ask for the one with firewire, once I got this incarnation of the box my picture and sound was much improved.

Can i get some help on this please. I have aDenon AV 4806 it has 3 HDMI inputs 1 output. My tv is a XBR32-960 and a8300HD cable box with firewire. When i go from 8300HD HDMI to the sony tv every thing works fine.Its when i use the Denon as a switcer HDMI cable box to Denon in and a HDMI cable out to tv. I get your HDTV does not support HDCP.It only happens when i use the Denon. It works fine when i use cable box to TV.Does anyone know why this happens.


I am having the exact same problem with my 8300HD and new JVC RX-702b HDMI switching receiver. Directly connected to my Samsung DLP the HDMI is fine, but with HDMI through the receiver, I get the HDCP error message from the 8300HD. I am not sure what revision the the 8300HD is, but it was just installed over the summer.

I've seen other posts pointing to an issue with the 8300HD as opposed to the receiver. And since we are seeing this with different receivers, that would seem to be the case. I don't have any other HDMI HDCP devices to test with.

I've not been able to find any detailed thread discussing this issue.

Is your 8300HD revision 2.4 ? Is anyone else using the 8300HD w/ HDMI through a switching receiver ?

Eliot

where's the OLN HD broadcast of the Rangers/Penguins game? TWC usually airs them on INHD2, but it doesn't appear to be the case tonight. what's going on?

I am having the exact same problem with my 8300HD and new JVC RX-702b HDMI switching receiver. Directly connected to my Samsung DLP the HDMI is fine, but with HDMI through the receiver, I get the HDCP error message from the 8300HD. I am not sure what revision the the 8300HD is, but it was just installed over the summer.

I've seen other posts pointing to an issue with the 8300HD as opposed to the receiver. And since we are seeing this with different receivers, that would seem to be the case. I don't have any other HDMI HDCP devices to test with.

I've not been able to find any detailed thread discussing this issue.

Is your 8300HD revision 2.4 ? Is anyone else using the 8300HD w/ HDMI through a switching receiver ?

Eliot No I have 2.2.I read a post about someone who has 2.4 and had no problems with HDMI getting HDCP error message. I dont know if this is a fix. Does any one have a 2.4 box. let us know if you any issues with this box?? :confused: You can find revision #on the bottom of the box. ;)

Anyone experienceing any problems with HBO HD?
The non-HD channel is fine.
I'm watching it now and the picture keeps freezing up.
Audio seems ok.
I've been having this problem with HBO HD for a while.
Usually later at night though.
At around 2AM, I was getting no picture at all, just a gray screen.
Now it's happening at primetime.
I've complained to TWC many times.
Techs have been out to my house and found no problems here.
I've spoken to CS managers, a tech manager, I don't know what else to do.
Obviously this is either a TWC headend issue or maybe the signal they're getting from HBO.
It's not my box, all other HD channels are fine.
Right now the movie Titanic is on, could some please check and see if it's frozen?
Thanks,
Ed

Anyone experienceing any problems with HBO HD?
The non-HD channel is fine.
I'm watching it now and the picture keeps freezing up.
Audio seems ok.
I've been having this problem with HBO HD for a while.
Usually later at night though.
At around 2AM, I was getting no picture at all, just a gray screen.
Now it's happening at primetime.
I've complained to TWC many times.
Techs have been out to my house and found no problems here.
I've spoken to CS managers, a tech manager, I don't know what else to do.
Obviously this is either a TWC headend issue or maybe the signal they're getting from HBO.
It's not my box, all other HD channels are fine.
Right now the movie Titanic is on, could some please check and see if it's frozen?
Thanks,
Ed

I'm watching Titanic and it has been a flawless picture from the start.

I'm watching Titanic and it has been a flawless picture from the start.


Thanks for checking that for me.
I'm in upstate NY.
Different headend I guess.
I just got off the phone with a TWC CS rep.
She had access to an HDTV.
She tuned to HBO HD and had a blank gray sceen just like me.
She made note of it and said she would forward it to TWC headend.
This has been going on for over a month now.
Some day soon they'll get the kinks out of Hd.
Gotta be patient I guess.

There must be something hard about writing a program to allow a box to play a show that hasn't finished recording. Both Passport and SARA seem to have trouble doing it. Here's what happened tonight:

I had scheduled recordings for "How I Met Your Mother" (8:30-9:00 on Ch. 2) and for "Two and a Half Men" (9:00-9:30 on Ch.2). At about 8:45 I decided to watch "How I Met Your Mother", so I played the half-finished recording. At a few minutes after 9, when the show ended, I deleted it. This had the effect of stopping the current process of recording "Two and a Half Men", and not deleting anything. Luckily, I noticed it, so I started recording "Two and a Half Men" again, and nothing was lost. But, if I hadn't been paying attention, I would have lost the show.

Just a warning for your information.

-b

where's the OLN HD broadcast of the Rangers/Penguins game? TWC usually airs them on INHD2, but it doesn't appear to be the case tonight. what's going on?

Don't know what happened with that, somebody probably forgot to interrupt the INHD2 feed.

Jets programming will be on the upcoming SNY Network

Pre and post game in HD , as well as studio news in HD.

http://www.sportsnetny.com/pdf/2005-11-02-jets.pdf

There must be something hard about writing a program to allow a box to play a show that hasn't finished recording. Both Passport and SARA seem to have trouble doing it. Here's what happened tonight:

I had scheduled recordings for "How I Met Your Mother" (8:30-9:00 on Ch. 2) and for "Two and a Half Men" (9:00-9:30 on Ch.2). At about 8:45 I decided to watch "How I Met Your Mother", so I played the half-finished recording. At a few minutes after 9, when the show ended, I deleted it. This had the effect of stopping the current process of recording "Two and a Half Men", and not deleting anything. Luckily, I noticed it, so I started recording "Two and a Half Men" again, and nothing was lost. But, if I hadn't been paying attention, I would have lost the show.

Just a warning for your information.

-b

I had a problem on Sunday. I recorded the Knicks game on 712. It was already 2 hours into the recording when I attempted to watch it. I knew it wasn’t going to start from the very beginning. It was going to start from the beginning of the current buffer when I hit play. Fortunately, there was a commercial on. I stopped recording and started a new recording, as I always do to watch the show from the beginning, an old Anthonymoody trick. :cool:

I started to watch the pre game. I set up the new recording for an extra half hour just in case the game went long. As I did that the recording I was watching switched to live TV, I went into the menu to discover the entire Knicks game was gone. Boy was I furious. :mad: :eek: :mad:

It could not be because I have too much on the hard drive- I don’t. I don’t know why this happened. :confused:

What I’m doing now, to hopefully prevent these unsolicited erasures, is setting up all recordings as “keep until manually erased.” I usually set that “keep” function up after I record- now all will be “keep until…” prior to recording. I don’t know if it will prevent future disasters but I’d hope to see a screen prompt telling me I can’t record rather than having things zapped away. I wish there was some type of “recycle bin” for retrievals. :(

About the freezing, last night on HDnet with th emovie previews my box kept freezing too, so it wasnt jsut HBO HD.


Im new to the TWC HD, please bare with me, why no WB or UPN hd channels on cable? Do I need to get a OTA antenna for them now? Are there any other HD channels im not gettign because of TWC?

Also what additional channels are supposed to be added to our service HD wise, we dont have HD YES,hell I feel like with my new HD spurge, Im getting less than I bargained for programming wise :(

Margoba,

I've had that same problem. If I'm recording consecutive shows, I now don't ever delete the first show. I just hit exit to return to live, then go the the List again to start the next show. Then I go back and delete them both later. I do this b/c I had the exact same experience you did...

TM

Is your 8300HD revision 2.4 ? Is anyone else using the 8300HD w/ HDMI through a switching receiver ?
Eliot

I have a 8300HD rev 2.4, but I have Passport Echo 1.8.103. My 8300 is connected via HDMI to a Panasonic LCD TV, but I'm also using the RCA cables to the analog sound connectors associated with the HDMI input of my TV. This is the only way I can get sound out of the TV with HDMI. The 8300 is also connected to an Onkyo SR600 via digital coax. Since I have Passport Echo 1.8.103, I do not get the HDMI audio option under advanced settings to force DD 5.1 out of the Coax/Optical outputs of the 8300HD to my receiver. So, I only get PLII sound via my receiver.

The basis of the problem "appears" to be due to HDMI (DD5.1 sound) handshake failure with "most" TVs. There are few TVs in the market that can handle DD5.1 and when the 8300HD fails to negociate DD5.1 with the TV it dumbs down all the outputs to whatever standard the TV can handle (usually 2-channel stereo - PLII). I read somewhere that this is because the 8300HD only has one sound processor and thus can only output one sound standard to all its outputs at a time. This is the reason why later releases of Passport allowed one to force DD5.1 to all the 8300 digital outputs. The TV might not be able to handle this standard, but you can listen to DD5.1 sound through your receiver.

What confuses me is that there are folks that claim to have rev 2.2 boxes and Echo 1.8.103, but they have the option to force DD5.1 via HDMI under advanced settings. Go figure???

The HDMI and DD5.1 issue with Passport Echo has been discussed several times in this tread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=453804

TWCNYC STINKS!

Anyone else waiting for IPTV to come around?

Im new to the TWC HD, please bare with me, why no WB or UPN hd channels on cable? Do I need to get a OTA antenna for them now? Are there any other HD channels im not gettign because of TWC?

Also what additional channels are supposed to be added to our service HD wise, we dont have HD YES,hell I feel like with my new HD spurge, Im getting less than I bargained for programming wise :(

I have no clue as to why we still don't have WB-11 in HD, now that I think about it Comcast,Cablevision & RCN carry NYC's WB-HD. when those 2 companies carry it be4 TWC it is truly sad.

UPN-HD is avialiable if you put your box in diagnostic mode and tune to channel 709.

The las HD channel that was talked about was Universal-HD. Still no word on a launch date.

TWCNYC STINKS!

Anyone else waiting for IPTV to come around?

I agree, I'm still waiting on word of when Verizon's FiosTV will make its way hear in the city.

New Sony 60XBR1 tv (replacing my 60xbr800), and just swapped my Time Warner Pioneer HD box with the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD DVR:

Hello all! I just did those two things i listed above, and while i love the idea of the "combo" of the SA8300HD DVR/HD cable box, there are numerous issues that i've encountered so far. it would be great to hear what your combined wisdom/advice might be.

i followed the directions exactly. not turning anything on until all the connections are made. i'm using an HDMI cable between the 8300 and my 60xbr1. Interestingly, by turning on my Sony TV, the 8300 is automatically turned on!! Is that normal?? but i encountered numerous frozen images (for about 5 to 20 seconds), then most of the time, they recover. it happens several times an hour, maybe even every 5 minutes to 10 mins. after a day of exasperation, i decided to unplug the power cord and replugging in back in. THAT changed a lot. it is not freezing up less than once an hour or so, though i don't really know because i just did that.

i change two things at the same time: my 60xbr800 to the 60xbr1, and the pioneer HD box to the SA8300HD/DVR, so i don't really know which device to attribute the image quality to, though i'm sure it's 99% the tv, the image is stunning - when there is a moving image, that is

is my mediocre experience with the 8300 and the unplugging and replugging of the power cord the right thing to do? what are your respective experiences? does your 8300 turn on as well when you turn on your TV if you also use HDMI?

i'm also researching an SATA hardrive to expand the capacity. Unfortunately, it doesn't really say which models are recommended other than >7200rpm and SATA Version 2 drive/cable protocol. may i ask how you guys have done this? does it work well? am i doing something that's going to cause me even MORE problems? i've only had this for 2 days and i'm already seeing frozen images, sometimes not recovering and requiring the unplugging of the power cable!!

by the way, i use a power conditioner ( Exact Power and Chang LightSpeed) and also a "Brickwall" power surge protector. So i think i'm as well protected and my power is about as conditioned as i can be.

thanks in advance and i look forward to hearing your answers and advice.

UPN-HD is avialiable if you put your box in diagnostic mode and tune to channel 709.


What is IPTV? and UniversalHD?

Also how do I access Diag mode to tune in to 779 and is it something i have to do EVERY time i want tog et upn?

may i know how to find the version number of my 8300 HD dvr box?

thanks!