Not sure about the Knicks but it's on both 5.1 AND stereo audio, seems like it's all over the entire feed...

Hi all -

A new question - I have the 8300 HD box working fine with my new LCD TV using the component video cables + the composite stereo cables, but when I try to switch the audio from the composite to digital audio (single cable), OR try an HDMI connection, I lose all sound. I tried rebooting to no avail, and can't see any other modifications to the box. Any suggestions on how to fix this? The TV only has a single component "video in" using the composite audio (there is a secondary component "video in" that is paired with the digital audio, and I have an Xbox 360 which at this point can only output via the component + audio composite setup....

Thanks so much for any advice!

During the past few Rangers games on MSG (712) there is a loud and annoying beeping playing over the audio feed. It comes out of the Digital and anlaog outputs, only on 712 and make listening to the games nearly impossible. Sounds like someone left a test tone generator on and forgot to turn it off. It sucks, now I have to go back to watching in SD on 27. Anyone else have the same probelm?

Interesting-712 is the ONLY channel I do not get ANY digital audio from-just analog. And it was fine today. (As it always has been).

Interesting-712 is the ONLY channel I do not get ANY digital audio from-just analog. And it was fine today. (As it always has been).

Hey everyone. I seem to have LOST the Dolby Digital signal...NONE of my HD stations are coming in in DD, including HBO and Discovery, which =always= broadcast in 5.1. The readout on my AV receiver is saying "Pro Logic" on ALL the stations, whereas it usually changes to "Dolby Digital" on about half of them. I've read posts about how to deal with this problem in diagnostic mode, but i can't recall what it was i have to do. Can anyone explain what the problem is, and the solution?? TIA. ~Mike :(

Go to Settings, Advanced, Digital Output, hit Two Channel Stereo and then hit Dolby Digital, Exit. Should bring back DD.

Go to Settings, Advanced, Digital Output, hit Two Channel Stereo and then hit Dolby Digital, Exit. Should bring back DD.

TY for the quick response, Lisa! Are you referring to the settings on the remote, or the diag mode on the HDR box?

TY for the quick response, Lisa! Are you referring to the settings on the remote, or the diag mode on the HDR box?

EXCELLENT, Lisa!! I figured it out, and you were right ON with that...fixed the problem in a jiffy. Thanks again. :)

gregeas and SRFast,

I've the same problem connected over HDMI. I used to have 480p/720p/1080i enabled and it was all working fine. Then I went into the setup and selected 480i as well. That reset all my options to 1080i only. Whatever I try to change doesn't "stick". It truly sucks. Anyone running the 8300HD over HDMI with other resolutions functioning properly?

I have the same "problem". When I went to the "Output Format" screen, both 1080i and 480p were selected, but after trying to change the format, the only format that can be selected now is 1080i. It appears the 8300 software update only allows the highest format the set can support. BTW, I am using HDMI for video. Any other ideas?


Regards.....JL

Mike: Hang onto this "fix" because, at least on my system, I lose DD at least once every few days. It is becoming routine for me to perform the fix every few days just in case.

anyone else having a problem watching the NFL on channel 707 (abc-hd) tonight? I keep getting dropouts in video and audio - unwatchable. CBS-HD and discovery-hd and tnt-hd appear fine (fox and nbc aren't great either). did a hard-reset and still the same. SD channels are ok.

Mike: Hang onto this "fix" because, at least on my system, I lose DD at least once every few days. It is becoming routine for me to perform the fix every few days just in case.

THANK you Lisa...will *do*. :)

anyone else having a problem watching the NFL on channel 707 (abc-hd) tonight? I keep getting dropouts in video and audio - unwatchable. CBS-HD and discovery-hd and tnt-hd appear fine (fox and nbc aren't great either). did a hard-reset and still the same. SD channels are ok.

I noticed only =occasional= dropouts on the game, but i've experienced far WORSE with freezes and dropouts in the past....i also noticed an occasional glitch on HBO tonite, where i switched to watch MILLION DOLLAR BABY, because the football game was such a one-sided slaughter, it became unwatchable to me for a -different- reason. :(

anyone else having a problem watching the NFL on channel 707 (abc-hd) tonight? I keep getting dropouts in video and audio - unwatchable. CBS-HD and discovery-hd and tnt-hd appear fine (fox and nbc aren't great either). did a hard-reset and still the same. SD channels are ok.

Yes, I just got HD for the first time Friday (8300 DVR) and ESPN and ABC have been almost unwatchable this weekend. Is this a system wide thing or a local problem?

gregeas and SRFast,

I've the same problem connected over HDMI. I used to have 480p/720p/1080i enabled and it was all working fine. Then I went into the setup and selected 480i as well. That reset all my options to 1080i only. Whatever I try to change doesn't "stick". It truly sucks. Anyone running the 8300HD over HDMI with other resolutions functioning properly?

Hi Carl,

Exact same problem here. I was able to get 480p/720p/1080i back after multiple reboots and taking HDMI out of the loop and doing a component hook-up selecting all output options then going back to HDMI. When I switched back to HDMI 720p/1080i stuck, I rebooted again, then was able to get 480p to stick, but I can no longer get 480i over HDMI. I actually had 480i working before this mess started and a reboot caused it to stick to 1080i only. I am able to get 480i/480p/720p/1080i to stick using component.

Since I know we both use the Lumagen VisionPro HDP I asked Patrick if it could be an EDID issue and he said he would look into it.

I asked this because if I turn the Lumagen off and leave the cable box on and change channels, the formats on the front of the cable box changes and shows 480i, 720p & 1080i with there respective channels as it should. As soon as I turn the Lumagen back on 480i locks to 480p or in the case of the 1080i lock-up, everything was output as 1080i etc.

In addition to the above, PQ as of late seems to have diminished. Feeds seem to be bit starved and overly compressed. I notice more noise, gray blocks (missing picture info) and creepy crawlies in solid color backgrounds that were not there before.

Is anybody getting 480i over HDMI or has anybody else come up against the box losing its output formats and locking into 1080i only?

In addition to the above, PQ as of late seems to have diminished. Feeds seem to be bit starved and overly compressed. I notice more noise, gray blocks (missing picture info) and creepy crawlies in solid color backgrounds that were not there before.

I've noticed that the picture (over component, for me) has more noise in the last few days. Also - I have been getting some audio dropouts on shows recorded in the last three or four days.

pciav,

Could be an EDID issue. I have mine set to "OFF" in the Lumagen. I trying to get the resolutions back, but no luck so far. Do you remember the exact steps? When I'm hooked up component all resolutions are available, but as soon as I connect the HDMI cable it default back to 1080i only mode.

When you turn of the Lumagen I suspect the 8300HD switches to component since there is no HDMI handshake detected, so that's why you see the other resolutions kick in.

Update, connected component, enabled all resolutions, changed EDID to DFLT in Lumagen, set start-up channel to 725 (720p ESPN-HD). Then I pulled the plug on the cable box, disconnected the component cable and reconnected HDMI. After plugging the cable box back in, I now have 480p and 1080i working. No 720p. Looks like I'm back. Thanks again.

Anyone getting a lot of distortion (digital artifacts?) from their SA 4200HD box lately? It's on most channels and is becoming unwatchable. I've rebooted to no avail.

DVD's are fine so I'm assuming it's the box, any thoughts?

Thanks-
Scott

Anyone getting a lot of distortion (digital artifacts?) from their SA 4200HD box lately? It's on most channels and is becoming unwatchable. I've rebooted to no avail.

DVD's are fine so I'm assuming it's the box, any thoughts?

Thanks-
Scott

It's been terrible for me on most HD channels on my 8300 DVR (just got it 2 days ago). Getting alot of audio and visual distortion and it's becoming unwatchable. I have a service appointment for next Saturday.

Happy to hear it's not just me. Just got off the phone with them after performing another useless reboot. The woman was going to contact my box but she was shocked at how backed up the system was so she said to wait a day because she tjought it might be a system wide problem.

You may not need your appointment, but if you do, DON'T LET THEM TOUCH ANYTHING! They really have no idea what they're doing.

Glad I'm a Jet fan because if I was a Giant fan I'd go crazy with this reception!

Update, connected component, enabled all resolutions, changed EDID to DFLT in Lumagen, set start-up channel to 725 (720p ESPN-HD). Then I pulled the plug on the cable box, disconnected the component cable and reconnected HDMI. After plugging the cable box back in, I now have 480p and 1080i working. No 720p. Looks like I'm back. Thanks again.

Carl,

I went through trial and error just like you are doing. I tried all settings in the Lumagen on/off etc. component connections, reboot etc. After enough times back and forth I managed to get back to 480p/720p/1080i. If I recall correctly I was first able to get to 480p/1080i then eventually 720p also by chance after repeated tries.

Hopefully you will at least be able to get back to 480p/720p/1080i.

Mike: Hang onto this "fix" because, at least on my system, I lose DD at least once every few days. It is becoming routine for me to perform the fix every few days just in case.

Every few =days=, Lisa? You're "lucky". How about less than 24 hours! :(

Happy to hear it's not just me. Just got off the phone with them after performing another useless reboot. The woman was going to contact my box but she was shocked at how backed up the system was so she said to wait a day because she tjought it might be a system wide problem.

You may not need your appointment, but if you do, DON'T LET THEM TOUCH ANYTHING! They really have no idea what they're doing.

Glad I'm a Jet fan because if I was a Giant fan I'd go crazy with this reception!

I'm new to the HD world and it's been bad pretty much since I hooked everything up on Friday, so I really have no idea if it's a problem with the box, my connection or system wide-all I know is I want it fixed by next weekend in time for the next round of games!

jcc:
That's quite interesting. You can get INHD & INHD2 on your ATSC tuner? What channels are they mapped to? I would have thought these "premium" HD channels would be scrambled.

Regards...JL

No, I'm NOT able to get those two channels since they are on the pay tier. I'm able to get all the non-pay tier HD channels except TNT HD. The non-pay line up are follows:


http://www.timewarnercable.com/nyandnj/products/cable/hdtv.html

No, I'm NOT able to get those two channels since they are on the pay tier. I'm able to get all the non-pay tier HD channels except TNT HD. The non-pay line up are follows:


http://www.timewarnercable.com/nyandnj/products/cable/hdtv.html

TNT is not a free channel. It's only included with Standard Cable and not Basic Cable. All Standard channels are scrambled.

EXCELLENT, Lisa!! I figured it out, and you were right ON with that...fixed the problem in a jiffy. Thanks again. :)
....it's because this question gets asked nearly daily on this forum. Go back a few pages and you'll see....

Every few =days=, Lisa? You're "lucky". How about less than 24 hours! :(
The issue occurs because of a bug in the box where if it has to make the "bing" sound, it switches to PCM stereo output and forgets to turn back to Dolby Digital 5.1. It is fixed in a future update that TWC-NYC has yet to install in our boxes.

The "bing" sound is made when:
1. When the box pops up a message on the screen saying "....is about to begin in :30, press A to record or B to cancel"
or
2. When you go into DIAG mode.

If you realize that this is the case, you can be prepared to deal with it.

Scott

for those of you experiencing the box locking-up when changing channels too fast, can I assume that youre actually surfing through them, as oppossed to opening the guide & looking through them that way? I noticed this crashing problem way back when I had the old 3250 HD (non DVR) and while I had the box replaced, the tech as well as many friends said it's easier to just use the guide to channel surf.

TNT is not a free channel. It's only included with Standard Cable and not Basic Cable. All Standard channels are scrambled.


I've always been able to get regular TNT by just turning to channel 3 on ANY TV set. Anyway, it's strange that's all. The rules seem to be inconsistent.

Picked up another 8300 HD DVR yesterday at Queens Center to replace my old Pioneer HD STB. I got it home yesterday just before the Giants game and set it up. The display read “Fail” couldn’t get it to work. No re booting ability at all. Called CSR and they did a bunch of signal sending crap over the phone- no luck. Have to go back this evening to swap it out. Thank God I had my other HD DVR working otherwise I would have missed the game- should've missed that game.
Anyone ever have a STB dispaly that read- FAIL?

I just ordered the Panny 42PHd8uk (yeah!), and I tried to call Time Warner to ask about the different HD DVR boxes. The guy on the phone says there's no difference, but on their website it says the following:

Pioneer Boxes:

All channels/banner are scaled to full-screen
Compatible with HDTV's having inputs other than 1080i
Pioneer supports the DVI output (new connector, looks like a computer cable) which is important for customers that purchase high-end HD sets.
Pioneer displays video for HD channels when viewing the guide.

Guy on the phone says you have NO CHOICE when you go to swap out your box.

My questions, therefore, are:

Is that really true, you have no choice? If you do, which box is preferable, the Pioneer or Scientific Atlanta?

We ordered the display with the HDMI blade, but supposedly TW is not outputting HDMI yet, although the port is on the DVR box; software issue not resolved yet, so he said. Should we get the DVI blade instead/in addition to get best possible picture?

Would somebody please let me know the channel designations of the HD channels via a QAM tuner? I don't live in Manhattan but I just advised a friend who does to get a plasma tv with a QAM tuner. He's tuning into the broadcast networks (i.e. 2, 4, 5, 7) and saying it doesn't look like HD. I told him that the digital channels would be designated with a decimal (i.e. xx.x) but he still says it doesn't look that great. I am guessing that he is tuning into the digital simulcast of the SD channels. I'd like to tell him which channels to look at directly.

My questions, therefore, are:

Is that really true, you have no choice? If you do, which box is preferable, the Pioneer or Scientific Atlanta?

We ordered the display with the HDMI blade, but supposedly TW is not outputting HDMI yet, although the port is on the DVR box; software issue not resolved yet, so he said. Should we get the DVI blade instead/in addition to get best possible picture?

There are no choice of HD DVRs in QUEENS, NY. The only available STB is the SA 8300HD. As for HDMI, my 8300 is connected to a Mits DLP HDTV via a HDMI cable.

Hope this helps...JL

Would somebody please let me know the channel designations of the HD channels via a QAM tuner? I don't live in Manhattan but I just advised a friend who does to get a plasma tv with a QAM tuner. He's tuning into the broadcast networks (i.e. 2, 4, 5, 7) and saying it doesn't look like HD. I told him that the digital channels would be designated with a decimal (i.e. xx.x) but he still says it doesn't look that great. I am guessing that he is tuning into the digital simulcast of the SD channels. I'd like to tell him which channels to look at directly.

If your friend is subscribed to the TWC DIGITAL TV service and has an ATSC tuner, he should be able to scan & find available HD channels including non encrypted channels. These channels are usually in the high end of the channel range, i.e., XXX. BTW, only Over The Air (OTA) HD channels are designated by a decimal. For NYC OTA info, go here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=275729

Hope this helps....JL

There are no choice of HD DVRs in QUEENS, NY. The only available STB is the SA 8300HD. As for HDMI, my 8300 is connected to a Mits DLP HDTV via a HDMI cable.

Hope this helps...JL

Thanks JL. I can't seem to get a handle on what's going on with TWNY and HDMI. Seems the 8300s are more prevalent. Just want to be prepared for when I go down there!

I've always been able to get regular TNT by just turning to channel 3 on ANY TV set. Anyway, it's strange that's all. The rules seem to be inconsistent.

If you plug a cable directly into your TV without a converter, channel 3 is NY1. You definitely need a converter (or cable card) to watch TNT.

If your friend is subscribed to the TWC DIGITAL TV service and has an ATSC tuner, he should be able to scan & find available HD channels including non encrypted channels. These channels are usually in the high end of the channel range, i.e., XXX. BTW, only Over The Air (OTA) HD channels are designated by a decimal. For NYC OTA info, go here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=275729

Hope this helps....JL

Not exactly correct - in Queens the HD feeds are 1.2, 1.4, 1.5, 1.7, 1.9, 1.13 using a QAM tuner. (No WB on 1.11 yet)

Not sure if these are the same mappings in other areas of the city.

Not exactly correct - in Queens the HD feeds are 1.2, 1.4, 1.5, 1.7, 1.9, 1.13 using a QAM tuner. (No WB on 1.11 yet)

Not sure if these are the same mappings in other areas of the city.

pdroth:
Thanks for the info. Is a QAM tuner the same as an ATSC tuner?

TIA....JL

pdroth:
Thanks for the info. Is a QAM tuner the same as an ATSC tuner?

TIA....JL

QAM is for cable, ATSC is for OTA.

I jest got back from 23st,they do not have any 2.4 boxs with firewire.The 2.4 boxs that they have no firewire. I got a new 8300HD 2.2 firewire box. So far it works.IT has passport echo 1.8.112. We will see what will happen??? :(

Angel,

I was told today by a TW rep that you have to bring 'proof' of your HD tv to switch out to an HD box ... rotfl

ANYWAY,

Can you give me a hint what happens when you go to 23rd st asking for a specific type of box? I was told explicitly by the rep today that a) their is no 'hdmi' 'yet' (wha???) due to software issues and b) that you have no choice when you go to 23st, just depends 'what's in stock'. Any advice? I ordered the commercial 42 Panasonic HD with HDMI blade, if that means anything, arriving next week. Didn't get DVI because I assume I'll get the SA, with no DVI output.

The issue occurs because of a bug in the box where if it has to make the "bing" sound, it switches to PCM stereo output and forgets to turn back to Dolby Digital 5.1. It is fixed in a future update that TWC-NYC has yet to install in our boxes.

The "bing" sound is made when:
1. When the box pops up a message on the screen saying "....is about to begin in :30, press A to record or B to cancel"
or
2. When you go into DIAG mode.

If you realize that this is the case, you can be prepared to deal with it.

Scott

Scott, i've never heard a "bing" sound...and i've been in DIAG mode a half dozen times. :confused:

If you plug a cable directly into your TV without a converter, channel 3 is NY1. You definitely need a converter (or cable card) to watch TNT.

I have a Panasonic plasma which has an ATSC tuner. It shows TNT just fine on channel 3. I had a cheapy Toshiba TV before that and it also tuned to TNT on channel 3 here on UES. NY1 is on channel 1, I think?

Would somebody please let me know the channel designations of the HD channels via a QAM tuner? I don't live in Manhattan but I just advised a friend who does to get a plasma tv with a QAM tuner. He's tuning into the broadcast networks (i.e. 2, 4, 5, 7) and saying it doesn't look like HD. I told him that the digital channels would be designated with a decimal (i.e. xx.x) but he still says it doesn't look that great. I am guessing that he is tuning into the digital simulcast of the SD channels. I'd like to tell him which channels to look at directly.


Do a search for my earlier posts on the channels over the plasma's tuner in the UES of Manhattan.

The issue occurs because of a bug in the box where if it has to make the "bing" sound, it switches to PCM stereo output and forgets to turn back to Dolby Digital 5.1. It is fixed in a future update that TWC-NYC has yet to install in our boxes.

The "bing" sound is made when:
1. When the box pops up a message on the screen saying "....is about to begin in :30, press A to record or B to cancel"
or
2. When you go into DIAG mode.

If you realize that this is the case, you can be prepared to deal with it.

Scott

Not for nothing but I haven’t heard that “bing” sound in years.
However, I do have the DD go out (I believe it to be) daily. Thanks to the quick fix posted by LisaM and others, I keep it corrected.

Picked up another 8300 HD DVR yesterday at Queens Center to replace my old Pioneer HD STB. I got it home yesterday just before the Giants game and set it up. The display read “Fail” couldn’t get it to work. No re booting ability at all. Called CSR and they did a bunch of signal sending crap over the phone- no luck. Have to go back this evening to swap it out. Thank God I had my other HD DVR working otherwise I would have missed the game- should've missed that game.
Anyone ever have a STB dispaly that read- FAIL?


I replaced the new ‘bad’ 8300 HD DVR with a new ‘good’ one at Queens Center last night. All seems to be fine with this new box. The only quirk that I found was when trying to set up some series recordings. The screen prompt said that the channel is un-recordable. The only time I ever saw that was on 708 for a sporting event. This is now happening on other channels. Haven’t called anyone or played around anymore and I haven’t tried to reboot.

I'm new to the HD world and it's been bad pretty much since I hooked everything up on Friday, so I really have no idea if it's a problem with the box, my connection or system wide-all I know is I want it fixed by next weekend in time for the next round of games!

Last night I was recording the same SD show on both my tivo and the 8300 and there was the intermittent audio/visual distortion probem only on the 8300. So I'm pretty convinced now that I have a defective DVR and not a signal problem. I have a service appointment scheduled for Saturday, but does anyone know if I show up at 23rd st. before then w/o a prior call if I can just swap the 8300 for a new one?

I have a service appointment scheduled for Saturday, but does anyone know if I show up at 23rd st. before then w/o a prior call if I can just swap the 8300 for a new one?

Absolutely. Just bring your bad box. Leave your cables and remote home.

Is anybody using a Panasonic 42HD8UK with the SA 8300? Please let me know if you are using the HDMI or DVI blade.

Also, can we assume the SA 8300 is the default HD DVR being given out at 23rd st?

Thanks.

We ordered the display with the HDMI blade, but supposedly TW is not outputting HDMI yet, although the port is on the DVR box; software issue not resolved yet, so he said. Should we get the DVI blade instead/in addition to get best possible picture?

Per my previous post above:

So I spoke to TW again last night and second guy says other guy was confused, software issue has been 'resolved', HDMI is being put out. Why would anybody even say that?

Also I was told I must bring a receipt for my HDTV to swap out for a new box (!) because they've supposedly had many people getting the HD STB for nonHD TVs.

Last night I was recording the same SD show on both my tivo and the 8300 and there was the intermittent audio/visual distortion probem only on the 8300. So I'm pretty convinced now that I have a defective DVR and not a signal problem. I have a service appointment scheduled for Saturday, but does anyone know if I show up at 23rd st. before then w/o a prior call if I can just swap the 8300 for a new one?


I disagree.
Get a tech to come & check out your signal path, wiring and any possible conflicts that you may not realize you have.
It's not just about the box sometimes. I had a guy reduce my signal strength that was making my box reboot excessively. I didn't believe it but based on results he was right!
So you never know what's causing your problems.
Let a tech come out & check out your install. It will save you time in the long run.
Just think how much you can learn about TWCNYC when talking to a knowledgeable tech, assuming you are lucky enuf to get one.

I disagree.
Get a tech to come & check out your signal path, wiring and any possible conflicts that you may not realize you have.
It's not just about the box sometimes. I had a guy reduce my signal strength that was making my box reboot excessively. I didn't believe it but based on results he was right!
So you never know what's causing your problems.
Let a tech come out & check out your install. It will save you time in the long run.
Just think how much you can learn about TWCNYC when talking to a knowledgeable tech, assuming you are lucky enuf to get one.

I agree with tinheads opinion. It is always wise to make sure everything is in order at your home.

However, I would not want to wait until Saturday. I’d still keep the appointment but I’d do the swap out myself anyway. See what happens. They can still come in and check things out. I know that it means running around to get it done but that’s what I’d do.

I've been away from this thread for a while, so apologies in advance if this has already been addressed and I've not spotted it.

I'm having a strange problem with Ch. 707 and my 8300HD (late model with Passport 1.8.112). When the underlying program is SD, the top and bottom areas of the picture are cut off, and the picture appears to be squeezed from the sides. The 8300HD is configured to output all formats, and the indicator on the box's front correctly identifies the incoming signal as 720p. The TV (a Samsung 1080p model connected HDMI-HDMI to the DVR) identifies the signal entering it from the DVR as 480. The problem is not cured by disabling 480i and 480p in the DVR's settings menu. The problem isn't present with my other 8300HD (an older model also running Passport 1.8.112). When I watch the same programs using cable card or OTA, everything looks fine, as do actual HD programs on Ch. 707.

This one has me stumped. Is anyone else experiencing this one?

I've been away from this thread for a while, so apologies in advance if this has already been addressed and I've not spotted it.

I'm having a strange problem with Ch. 707 and my 8300HD (late model with Passport 1.8.112). When the underlying program is SD, the top and bottom areas of the picture are cut off, and the picture appears to be squeezed from the sides. The 8300HD is configured to output all formats, and the indicator on the box's front correctly identifies the incoming signal as 720p. The TV (a Samsung 1080p model connected HDMI-HDMI to the DVR) identifies the signal entering it from the DVR as 480. The problem is not cured by disabling 480i and 480p in the DVR's settings menu. The problem isn't present with my other 8300HD (an older model also running Passport 1.8.112). When I watch the same programs using cable card or OTA, everything looks fine, as do actual HD programs on Ch. 707.

This one has me stumped. Is anyone else experiencing this one?

Welcome back, how are you enjoying your new Sammy?

I’ve experienced a similar anomaly lately. I thought it was the picture formatting button on the remote- it wasn’t. I then thought it was the picture formatting control on my display- this does not work while using component.

The way I was able to correct this glitch was by disabling the 480i and leaving only 480p and 1080i enabled.

Well, TW has raised rates again. I'm now paying $156 a month and haven't received a new HD channel in quite some time.

So, I decided that beginning today I'm going to send TW an email via their website inquiring about when we'll get UPN and WB, also the Movie Channel, Cinemax, and Starz. I made sure to mention that Cablevision and RCN carry these channels.

Anyone want to join me? Maybe if enough of us write in something will get done.

The way I was able to correct this glitch was by disabling the 480i and leaving only 480p and 1080i enabled.
This is another bug which was introduced in the current Passport release -- the 8300HD now defaults to 480i for SD programming instead of 480p (which the previous release defaulted to). You must disable 480i as an output format (unless your TV doesn't support 480p) if you want your SD content to be displayed in progressive mode.

Scott

I agree with tinheads opinion. It is always wise to make sure everything is in order at your home.

However, I would not want to wait until Saturday. I’d still keep the appointment but I’d do the swap out myself anyway. See what happens. They can still come in and check things out. I know that it means running around to get it done but that’s what I’d do.

Thanks, I agree this is probably the best approach, assuming I actually have time between now and Saturday to make the trip to 23rd. I've found in the past that sometimes the techs don't even have new boxes with them when they make the visit, so it would make sense to try out a different one before the appointment.

On most, if not all, SD channels I get a thin line of snow on the top of the screen. Has anyone else experienced this and know how to fix?

I have seen this question a few times, and it has gone unanswered...
Will there be a replacement for the Pioneer box which is also has it's lovely HD bugs? So any new HD non-DVR boxes?

Well, TW has raised rates again. I'm now paying $156 a month and haven't received a new HD channel in quite some time.

So, I decided that beginning today I'm going to send TW an email via their website inquiring about when we'll get UPN and WB, also the Movie Channel, Cinemax, and Starz. I made sure to mention that Cablevision and RCN carry these channels.

Anyone want to join me? Maybe if enough of us write in something will get done.


How about everyone here print out their complaints and put a new 39 cent stamp on an envelope and mail it to them?
Why?
Unresolved problems get bumped up to the State of New York Public Service Commission and if enuf of us bitch maybe, just maybe, we'll get a little more for our viewing dollars!
How?
Go to TWCNYC.com and hit 'contact us' , then 'complaints' follow instructions from there.
I'm still waiting for my fone call!

Boycott them or do as I do. Only Subscribe to their basic service for $14 a month. I get all of the non pay tier HD, except TNT HD. The problem with TW is that they're a monopoly and as long as there are people like you who's willing to pay the sucker fees, they will do NOTHING! I can just hear them laughing at all of you. ;)

I disagree.
Get a tech to come & check out your signal path, wiring and any possible conflicts that you may not realize you have.
It's not just about the box sometimes. I had a guy reduce my signal strength that was making my box reboot excessively. I didn't believe it but based on results he was right!
So you never know what's causing your problems.
Let a tech come out & check out your install. It will save you time in the long run.
Just think how much you can learn about TWCNYC when talking to a knowledgeable tech, assuming you are lucky enuf to get one.

Couple years ago, not long after getting the 8000, I began getting pixellation, blocks, freeze and complete cutout on a few channels between 90 and 140.

Over a 25 year period, the line in my apartment had ben cut and spliced several times. Didn't seem to bother the Pioneer box the 8000 replaced. Tech ran me a new line from the hallway. Fixed. Things have to be just right with these boxes - even then there is trouble.

Also I was told I must bring a receipt for my HDTV to swap out for a new box (!) because they've supposedly had many people getting the HD STB for nonHD TVs.I got an HD box for a 480i tv and it works fine (I do have an HDTV also). Realistically there's no reason why they can't give everyone an HD box. I'm not really sure why they're being so stingy with the HD boxes.

A Knick away game in on 27, a rangers home game is on 51.
guess which game is showing on 712, not a HD rangers home game, but a upconverted knick game.

somebody messed up!

Well, TW has raised rates again. I'm now paying $156 a month and haven't received a new HD channel in quite some time.

So, I decided that beginning today I'm going to send TW an email via their website inquiring about when we'll get UPN and WB, also the Movie Channel, Cinemax, and Starz. I made sure to mention that Cablevision and RCN carry these channels.

Anyone want to join me? Maybe if enough of us write in something will get done.

do it, I've done it in the pass and will continue to do it in the future.
But keep in mind that regional TWC's are only part of the problem, deals have to be done at the corporate level before things get moving here.
And we know with TWC's agreement with Universal back in late October means that channels take forever to add.

A Knick away game in on 27, a rangers home game is on 51.
guess which game is showing on 712, not a HD rangers home game, but a upconverted knick game.

somebody messed up!


Yeah, that was pretty bizarre. I was pleasantly surprised since I’m a Knicks fan (can actually say that :rolleyes: out loud- for the moment) and the up cconverted 712 looked marginally better than 27.
But I would’ve been fuming too if it were the other way around. And to make matters more inane, they had the Ranger post game on 712 after the Knicks game.

I got an HD box for a 480i tv and it works fine (I do have an HDTV also). Realistically there's no reason why they can't give everyone an HD box. I'm not really sure why they're being so stingy with the HD boxes.

Dm84,

The way two separate TWettes explained to me, they said they were getting complaints from people who got HD STBs and then couldn't understand why they weren't getting HDTV on their nonHDTVs. I never considered that they were possibly trying to hold on to HD boxes; interesting.

I'm just trying to strategize when to swap out my box in the process of switching over from my TV to the new plasma (which is on a flight to Newark!). Since it's always such an ordeal to go 23st what with work and all, I either want to get it when the plasma is ready to go, or hook it up to the old TV in the meantime, which TW seems to frown upon. Not to mention there goes my plan to start DVR'ing 24 on Sunday - I'd lose it in switching the box. oh well. Can't watch it yet anyway because I'm only halfway through the third season.

Dm84,

... hook it up to the old TV in the meantime, which TW seems to frown upon. .

Screw them and their frowning on us. :mad: We’ve got plenty to frown on with them.

I would swap out the SD box as soon as I could if I were you. With an HD box on your SD set you have an emergency HD back up. Call me nuts but that’s me.

And regarding the DVR, you have a larger hard drive with the HD version rather than the SD DVR. So let them frown some more. Get the HD 8300 for any set you want- HD or SD. It's your money.

This goes back to some early discussions, way back on this thread-- first, the chant was-- getting people to up grade from their analog STB to DTV, to free up bandwidth. Now, the new mantra is-- get rid of the non HD boxes and get TW to sharpen their focus solely on HD.

Screw them and their frowning on us. :mad: We’ve got plenty to frown on with them.

I would swap out the SD box as soon as I could if I were you. With an HD box on your SD set you have an emergency HD back up. Call me nuts but that’s me.

And regarding the DVR, you have a larger hard drive with the HD version rather than the SD DVR. So let them frown some more. Get the HD 8300 for any set you want- HD or SD. It's your money.

This goes back to some early discussions, way back on this thread-- first, the chant was-- getting people to up grade from their analog STB to DTV, to free up bandwidth. Now, the new mantra is-- get rid of the non HD boxes and get TW to sharpen their focus solely on HD.

I agree, we should be able to get any box we want. But why would they tell me that nonsense about having a "HD receipt"? There's nothing on their website about that.

Forgive me, I don't understand how having the HD box on the SD would serve as an 'emergency HD backup' ?? sorry, clueless. p.s. I only have one cable connection in the house, so the SD tv will be relegated to on-the-air only.

I agree, we should be able to get any box we want. But why would they tell me that nonsense about having a "HD receipt"? There's nothing on their website about that.

Forgive me, I don't understand how having the HD box on the SD would serve as an 'emergency HD backup' ?? sorry, clueless. p.s. I only have one cable connection in the house, so the SD tv will be relegated to on-the-air only.

In your situation, with only one desired cable hook up, my theory (rant) is not applicable. I was referring to a household that might have as an example, say, two cable boxes on two TV’s. One TV is HD and the other is SD. In this scenario, I’d have both boxes as HD boxes. The SD TV with the HD box is the emergency back up in the event that the HD box goes down.

Some have reported in the past that TW requires proof of ownership for an HD TV. I understand their logic. I never had that problem.

One thing that you can do to try to assure that you don’t waste your time by going there in person is to set it up on the phone first. Call them and explain that you want to come in and swap out your SD for a HD box. They will give you a work order number. When you get to the place they should not give you a hard time. I find that when I call first, I’m already in the system and it expedites the process. Bring ID and a cable bill just in case, though I’ve never needed that either.

In your situation, with only one desired cable hook up, my theory (rant) is not applicable. I was referring to a household that might have as an example, say, two cable boxes on two TV’s. One TV is HD and the other is SD. In this scenario, I’d have both boxes as HD boxes. The SD TV with the HD box is the emergency back up in the event that the HD box goes down.

Some have reported in the past that TW requires proof of ownership for an HD TV. I understand their logic. I never had that problem.

One thing that you can do to try to assure that you don’t waste your time by going there in person is to set it up on the phone first. Call them and explain that you want to come in and swap out your SD for a HD box. They will give you a work order number. When you get to the place they should not give you a hard time. I find that when I call first, I’m already in the system and it expedites the process. Bring ID and a cable bill just in case, though I’ve never needed that either.

Thanks LL3HD. Aha, I thought that might have been what you were referring to.

Actually I've never had a problem swapping out a regular box, but the work order idea (and cable bill) is a good one. I wonder if my 'invoice' will service as my 'receipt' even if plasma is not here yet. Debating ...

Call them and see what they say. If they don’t mention anything on the phone regarding bringing the proof of HD purchase nonsense then they certainly can’t hassle you when you are there. But if they do mention it on the phone, ask them if your invoice will suffice. Once they approve over the phone, you will be in the system and will not have any problems. By the way, the cable bill and the ID are for your protection, if they ask for it.

On most, if not all, SD channels I get a thin line of snow on the top of the screen. Has anyone else experienced this and know how to fix?

Some tvs have a picture adjustment feature which allows you to move the picture up/down and left/right in small increments. My pioneer plasma has it. I had the same problem you describe but was able to eliminate it by shifting the picture slightly upwards. Check your tv's features.

Thanks LL3HD. Aha, I thought that might have been what you were referring to.

Actually I've never had a problem swapping out a regular box, but the work order idea (and cable bill) is a good one. I wonder if my 'invoice' will service as my 'receipt' even if plasma is not here yet. Debating ...

I swapped an SD box for HD at 23rd st. last week a few days before my HDTV arrived and they didn't require any receipt for the HDTV or even mention that that was needed. I did call first however.

Some tvs have a picture adjustment feature which allows you to move the picture up/down and left/right in small increments. My pioneer plasma has it. I had the same problem you describe but was able to eliminate it by shifting the picture slightly upwards. Check your tv's features.

I actually was able to fix it by switching the input from DVI1 to DVI2 on my 37" Westy.

I've found a bug with my SA 3250HD box, Passport 3.3 build 17. I have no idea if it's limited to my box or is more widespread, and I think you need a box with active FireWire to confirm.

You can see if yours does the same by doing this test (it's a decent number of steps, but pretty easy to do):

1) Turn on Diagnostic Mode by tuning to channel 996, then pressing, on the set-top box, "Exit" and "Select" (the center of the "t" on the right of the box)
2) Tune to a broadcast channel, like 4 or 704.
3) Press, on the STB, "Exit".
4) Use the remote to scroll down the tabs on the left until you get to FireWire, and then hit "Select" on the remote to cycle through the FireWire devices.
5) You should see "EMI = 4 Copy Freely" and "CCI = 4 Copy Freely" on the screen.
6) Change to a cable channel in the middle, say Comedy Central on 45.
7) Repeat steps 3 & 4, you should see "EMI = 2 Copy Once" and "CCI = 2 Copy Once"
8) Repeat steps 2 - 5, you will see that it now says "EMI = 2 Copy Once" and "CCI = 2 Copy Once" instead of "EMI = 4 Copy Freely" and "CCI = 4 Copy Freely"
9) Regardless of what channel you tune to, your STB will stay stuck in this non-EMI/CCI= 4 mode until you hard reboot by unplugging it.

As of several weeks ago, any HD channel I record to my Mac results in files full of errors (for TWC-NYC-only-knows reasons). This new complication now makes it basically impossible to record anything unless I strictly watch broadcast channels or reboot my box all the time...

I just had a brand new out of the box HD8300 installed in my bedroom and you can hear the unit making a thumping noise clear across the room. This unit has the new updated firmware. My other HD8300 (one of the original firmware boxes) is pretty quiet. Is this noise (sounds like drumming) normal for boxes with the new firmware or is this one just a lemon? I can't even judge picture quality yet because my HD plasma is due to arrive on Friday.

Thanks...

Hello Mike. I had the same situation as yours. It is unclear to me from your post if you can record standard def. channels. I can record any one but HD. Tuning to HD channel causes
lost firewire link and require the box and dvhs to be reboot. Mine settings are the same as yours. I have also one question.Does anybody knows what is the meaning of this in the menu that you mention:
- IsLocal:1 yes-local host
- plug ID:128
-plug status:3 active
-spts streaming:1 true
for SA box as vendor and
- Islocal:0 no-1394 bus
for JVS dvhs as vendor.
Maybe this will help us understand what is wrong here. Brgds, Robert.

LisaM,
Sounds like the hard drive in your new 8300 may be in death throes. Try switching both tuners to channel 200 before turning it off to see if it quiets down. As an aside, doing this is a good idea for all 8300s - it stops the drive from continuously buffering, greatly reduces heat, and prolongs the life of the thing.

TM

Anthony: How do I switch the second tuner to Channel 200?

How about everyone here print out their complaints and put a new 39 cent stamp on an envelope and mail it to them?
Why?
Unresolved problems get bumped up to the State of New York Public Service Commission and if enuf of us bitch maybe, just maybe, we'll get a little more for our viewing dollars!
How?
Go to TWCNYC.com and hit 'contact us' , then 'complaints' follow instructions from there.
I'm still waiting for my fone call! Tinhead.

Im waiting to hear from TWCNY. Not one word from them. :( :mad:

Does anyone know if ESPN is going to pick up the Ranger game tonight ? I would be nice to see Messier's jersey lifted in HD.

Does anyone know if ESPN is going to pick up the Ranger game tonight ? I would be nice to see Messier's jersey lifted in HD.


This ‘event’ and game will be on MSG 27 and should also be on 712 in HD. If it’s on ESPN, it would be blacked out anyway.

I forgot all about firewire, but now I have a computer with a connection. To transfer shows, do I need another type of software?

My TV is being delivered tomorrow, and I'd like to get HDMI cable fast. I know monoprice has them, but anybody know where I can get HDMI cable in midtown? BHPhoto seems to have regular (not ultra high whatever) cable, and RadioShack's got Monster at ridiculous prices. Any clues? I don't know if I can wait for a monoprice.com order. Haven't looked at BB/CC.

Also, are the sizes standard? It's going into a Panny 42" HDMI terminal board. Thanks!

Anthony: How do I switch the second tuner to Channel 200?
select 200, press "swap" select 200 on the other tuner.

Note that any "On Demand" channel will serve this function -- I typically set one tuner to 1000 and the other to 1002 before I turn off the cable box.

This quiets the hard-disc down to nothing and saves wear & tear on the drive (in addition to, I assume, reducing power consumption).

Scott

select 200, press "swap" select 200 on the other tuner.

Note that any "On Demand" channel will serve this function -- I typically set one tuner to 1000 and the other to 1002 before I turn off the cable box.

This quiets the hard-disc down to nothing and saves wear & tear on the drive (in addition to, I assume, reducing power consumption).

Scott

Scott, for this to work, do you also have to set up the STB for what the ‘turn on’ channel is? Is it set for one of these ODs, or as last channel?

I'm a long time tivo user trying to adjust to the quirky 8300 DVR. Is there a way to watch a show that is currently being recorded, switch to something else (either live or prerecorded) and then go back to the live show and have it resume playback where you left off? So far, I've only seen the resume playback feature show up on the menu with shows that have already finished recording-shows that are still being recorded always start playing back at the beginning, which is highly annoying when you're watching a 3-4 hour game.

What I do is stop the recording and immediately start recording a new recording (PITA), then you can watch the first recording as a saved recording. This is useful for sports -- save the first half, for example, of an NFL game, then make a new recording for the rest of the show. You do then have to fast forward to where you want to be, but then if you switch to another channel, it resumes where you left off.

Like I said, PITA.

Thanks, Scott for the info. Hopefully this will stop the loud thumping noises.

My TV is being delivered tomorrow, and I'd like to get HDMI cable fast. I know monoprice has them, but anybody know where I can get HDMI cable in midtown? BHPhoto seems to have regular (not ultra high whatever) cable, and RadioShack's got Monster at ridiculous prices. Any clues? I don't know if I can wait for a monoprice.com order. Haven't looked at BB/CC.

Also, are the sizes standard? It's going into a Panny 42" HDMI terminal board. Thanks!

You have two options: Patience (monoprice) or Big$$$ (local). I've done lots of "research" on this and there are no reasonably priced HDMI cables to be found in NYC. Connect the set using the component cables and order the cables 2nd day/overnight delivery. Either way, it's cheaper than RS or any other local source.

Good luck.....JL

The MSG-HD feed was up for about 3 minites before it disappered.
They better get this fixed, Messier's number is being retired tonight.

THE CAPTAIN is larger then life but we have to watch it in SD twc SUCKS!!!!!

Oh wait its back on HD but twc still SUCKS

Email from Time Warner Cable Executive

"all our contracts with MTV networks are currently expired. we are in negotiations to renew them and add MHD. i can't say how long that might take."

"starz HD is not likely until the end of this year, at the earliest."

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=51362

4-4 game with 10min to go in the rangers game and they turn off channel 712.
Un-freakin-believable

4-4 game with 10min to go in the rangers game and they turn off channel 712.
Un-freakin-believable
I *know*! How STUPID is *that*!!

Hi all -

Sorry to ask this again - I posted about a week ago but got no responses...

I have the 8300 HD box working fine with my new LCD TV using the component video cables + the composite stereo audio cables.

When I try to use a digital audio cable (instead of the composite audio cables), OR I try an HDMI connection, I lose all sound. I tried rebooting to no avail, and can't see any other options. Help!

As a side question, how do I enter the DIAG mode, and would that help at all?

Thanks so much for any advice!

When I try to use a digital audio cable (instead of the composite audio cables), OR I try an HDMI connection, I lose all sound. I tried rebooting to no avail, and can't see any other options. Help!

I forget which exact setting I changed, but on the DVR setup, did you choose to turn on audio for HDMI ? I believe the default is 'off'.

Thanks for the thought - I will check it out tonight at home. I don't remember "turn on audio for HDMI" as an option for either the basic or advanced settings acceible via the remote. Is that something I need to access via the DIAG mode?

ok, I just checked it, and it's a little different than what I remember :)

This is with the 8300HD, click settings and then 'more settings'. Under 'Audio Digital Out' choose 'HDMI'. You may have already tried that, but for me the setting was on something else when I initially hooked up my setup with HDMI and therefor got not sound.

good luck ...

My TV is being delivered tomorrow, and I'd like to get HDMI cable fast. I know monoprice has them, but anybody know where I can get HDMI cable in midtown? BHPhoto seems to have regular (not ultra high whatever) cable, and RadioShack's got Monster at ridiculous prices. Any clues? I don't know if I can wait for a monoprice.com order. Haven't looked at BB/CC.

Also, are the sizes standard? It's going into a Panny 42" HDMI terminal board. Thanks!

Believe it or not, Curcuit City @ the corner of Lex. & 86th has A&R Brand cables at a reasonable price. Way cheaper than "Monster" or you can call Michael @ Lenexpo @ Lenexpo.com and he will overnight them to ya. Just tell him Evan from NYC sent ya.

Hope this helps! ;)

Thanks for the thought - I will check it out tonight at home. I don't remember "turn on audio for HDMI" as an option for either the basic or advanced settings acceible via the remote. Is that something I need to access via the DIAG mode?

NO you can not get it that way.You have to getit from settings on the remote and press the A on the remote. Go to audio out and you will see Dolby Digtal, Two channal,HDMI. ON my HDTV i have HDMI from 8300HD to my HDTV and i get audio but when i go to other two settings i dont.Does any one else get this??? :confused: :rolleyes:

Believe it or not, Curcuit City @ the corner of Lex. & 86th has A&R Brand cables at a reasonable price.
It's Best Buy at 86th and Lex. Circuit City is on 86th between 2nd and 3rd.

4-4 game with 10min to go in the rangers game and they turn off channel 712.
Un-freakin-believable

yeah, and for some reason my recording on 712 didn't start until the Rangers were up 1-0. at least i got to see it live...it was a great experience. still thinking about calling up TWC and asking for a credit though...for the prices we pay their performance is really unacceptable.

Well, my brand new 8300 HD box which was making noise finally completely died on Thursday morning. No power, no nothing. After fighting with TWC on the phone and being told that the next service call was next week, I ventured down to 23rd Street. My previous experience (when the 8300HDs first came out) at 23rd Street was horrible since they had none in stock and tried to foist off an 8000HD on me. This time, things were much different - I was in and out of there in 15 minutes with a brand new 8300HD, rev. 2.2.

I still hear some noise from the box but I am keeping my fingers crossed that this is normal.

I got a 8300HD box the other day, friday night, at 23rd st. with a work order (thank you forum advice gods) and besides a 20 min. wait in line, the transaction took about 5 min. Hooked up my PHD428UK today -- looks fab.

Thanks all for advice on HMDI -- finally got one at BH Photo, even though they tried to foist Monster on me. Glad I did, watching HD happily today. First day of HD + plasma + TWCNYC. I was terrified, but it seems to be working!

What's going on at ABC HD? They look like they're testing he channel...They have test patterns and videos as well as sound.

What's going on at ABC HD? They look like they're testing he channel...They have test patterns and videos as well as sound.


I saw a trailer for the 'new' movie 'monsters inc." -- obviously a test, before they reverted back to ABC news. Thanks for using us a guinea pigs ABC. monsters inc. looked amazing though.

NO you can not get it that way.You have to getit from settings on the remote and press the A on the remote. Go to audio out and you will see Dolby Digtal, Two channal,HDMI. ON my HDTV i have HDMI from 8300HD to my HDTV and i get audio but when i go to other two settings i dont.Does any one else get this??? :confused: :rolleyes:
Thanks for all the advice. However, it doesn't seem that I'm given the option to switch to HDMI as an audio option. The only options are dolby and 2-channel. I obviously have an HDMI out port in the back. Any idea why I am not being given HDMI as an audio option?

Thanks for all your help!

I saw a trailer for the 'new' movie 'monsters inc." -- obviously a test, before they reverted back to ABC news. Thanks for using us a guinea pigs ABC. monsters inc. looked amazing though.


Yea, I can't wait for Blu-ray movies!

Thanks for all the advice. However, it doesn't seem that I'm given the option to switch to HDMI as an audio option. The only options are dolby and 2-channel. I obviously have an HDMI out port in the back. Any idea why I am not being given HDMI as an audio option?

Thanks for all your help!

Do you have your 8300HD HDMI cable going to your tv. I have mine hooked up that way ,and i get the HDMI and the otther two audio settings. My HDMI is on video7on my tv. :)

I kinda don't wanna say anything, but I just hooked up my HD today for the first time, and I'm getting what appear to be the HDXtra channels, like HDNet, although I didn't ask for it. I swapped out my old box last night. My subscription is for the Dbest, or the digital + premium, but not HDExtra. What gives?

HBO HD is out in upstate NY.
208 & 701 blank gray screen.
Non-HD 201 working fine.
This has been a recurring problem up here for months now.
Is HBO HD working in the city?
Has it been out recently?
Also, anyone know if they're going to add any new HD channels?
Thanks,
Eddie

HBO HD working here in Northern Manhattan

Well, my brand new 8300 HD box which was making noise finally completely died on Thursday morning. No power, no nothing. After fighting with TWC on the phone and being told that the next service call was next week, I ventured down to 23rd Street. My previous experience (when the 8300HDs first came out) at 23rd Street was horrible since they had none in stock and tried to foist off an 8000HD on me. This time, things were much different - I was in and out of there in 15 minutes with a brand new 8300HD, rev. 2.2.

I still hear some noise from the box but I am keeping my fingers crossed that this is normal.

Lisa, I don't think that's normal. My 8300 box operates completely without making any noise at all.

I kinda don't wanna say anything, but I just hooked up my HD today for the first time, and I'm getting what appear to be the HDXtra channels, like HDNet, although I didn't ask for it. I swapped out my old box last night. My subscription is for the Dbest, or the digital + premium, but not HDExtra. What gives?

If you're =sure= you're not being charged for that extra pay tier, count your lucky stars. I have dBest too, and *that*, including the HDExtra pay tier, is plenty expensive enough. :(

I got a 8300HD box the other day, friday night, at 23rd st. with a work order (thank you forum advice gods) and besides a 20 min. wait in line, the transaction took about 5 min. Hooked up my PHD428UK today -- looks fab.

Thanks all for advice on HMDI -- finally got one at BH Photo, even though they tried to foist Monster on me. Glad I did, watching HD happily today. First day of HD + plasma + TWCNYC. I was terrified, but it seems to be working!

When I had my 8300 box installed by the TWC guy, i inquired about using an HDMI cable with the box...and he said it wouldn't work with this box, that i would have sound issues with HDMI. But from the "sound" of it (hehehe) it seems that a lot of you guys are happy with HDMI. So what =is= the story? Is the pic and sound quality THAT much better with the HDMI cable over composite?? Thanks for your feedback.

I kinda don't wanna say anything, but I just hooked up my HD today for the first time, and I'm getting what appear to be the HDXtra channels, like HDNet, although I didn't ask for it. I swapped out my old box last night. My subscription is for the Dbest, or the digital + premium, but not HDExtra. What gives?

Enjoy it!

A friend of mine had that happen to him when he swapped out for an 8300HD DVR. He didn't even have the dBest package, but was getting the same thing as you. It ended up being fixed after a few days.

From having a box swapped by a tech last week, when they first hooked my replacement up it got every channel they offered. The tech had to call in the box's address and reboot it to get it configured to my package. Seems like some automatic thing that isn't happening like it should, or it's taking longer to propagate through their system than it should. TWC NYC is probably (shock of shocks) having some technical difficulties....

My other two dvrs are both original 8300HDs and are very quiet but for a slight fan noise. The two new ones are both rev 2.2 (the dead box and the new replacement). Perhaps another quirk of the revised firmware is the noise, which sounds like a drum beating. It likely comes from the hard drive. So far, this box is working fine so I will keep my fingers crossed. The noise is definitely noticible in a bedroom late at night. I am trying Anthony's suggestion about tuning both tuners to 200 to see if that helps.

When I had my 8300 box installed by the TWC guy, i inquired about using an HDMI cable with the box...and he said it wouldn't work with this box, that i would have sound issues with HDMI. But from the "sound" of it (hehehe) it seems that a lot of you guys are happy with HDMI. So what =is= the story? Is the pic and sound quality THAT much better with the HDMI cable over composite?? Thanks for your feedback.

We've had our TV for one day, and our sound is going from STB box right to our receiver (not from the TV -- which has no speakers). We are using HDMI, looks great, sounds great (I have Bose acoustimass, nothing fancy), although we've had a couple of sound blips, drop outs, but not many. Less than .05% of the time. Not sure if it's the HDMI or the HD signal in general (?)

mike mi, we haven't tried component though.

8300HD flickers on and off
I've had my 8300HD (passport software on TWCNYC) for about 11 months and recently have been noticing an annoying problem with it: when my plasma tv is turned off, the dvr unit would flicker on and off constantly. I see it on the front lcd display where the 720p and power symbol would flicker constantly between "On" and "off".

It would not be so bad if it did not affect my recordings. For example, I record Las Vegas on NBC at 9:00 PM on Mondays. If the tv is not on when the show starts, but the dvr is not behaving and flickering between on and off, then the show will not record when it should, until I turn on the TV and the dvr returns to its normal "On" state and the recording will begin at that time. I now have a library of shows that do no start on time.

The sa8300 is hooked up through hdmi

Anyone else have this problem?

My other two dvrs are both original 8300HDs and are very quiet but for a slight fan noise. The two new ones are both rev 2.2 (the dead box and the new replacement). Perhaps another quirk of the revised firmware is the noise, which sounds like a drum beating. It likely comes from the hard drive. So far, this box is working fine so I will keep my fingers crossed. The noise is definitely noticible in a bedroom late at night. I am trying Anthony's suggestion about tuning both tuners to 200 to see if that helps.

My new 8300HD is much noisier than my old 8300 (nonHD) box, and it sounds like more than a fan noise but like hard drive churning. I thought, oh well, it's HD, it's working harder :p but I shall keep my fingers crossed as well. Yikes. It's not noticeable when playing the TV but if you mute the TV you can hear it and it's very loud if you put your ear right next to the STB (assumedly not the way you're supposed to use the box, with your ear next to it, that is).

p.s. I have no tuner in my TV.

How do you find out what version firmware you have?

My new 8300HD is much noisier than my old 8300 (nonHD) box, and it sounds like more than a fan noise but like hard drive churning. I thought, oh well, it's HD, it's working harder :p but I shall keep my fingers crossed as well. Yikes. It's not noticeable when playing the TV but if you mute the TV you can hear it and it's very loud if you put your ear right next to the STB (assumedly not the way you're supposed to use the box, with your ear next to it, that is).

p.s. I have no tuner in my TV.

How do you find out what version firmware you have?

LisaM,

Maybe they're using a cheaper hard drive. Various computers are louder than others depending on hard drive used.

We've had our TV for one day, and our sound is going from STB box right to our receiver (not from the TV -- which has no speakers). We are using HDMI, looks great, sounds great (I have Bose acoustimass, nothing fancy), although we've had a couple of sound blips, drop outs, but not many. Less than .05% of the time. Not sure if it's the HDMI or the HD signal in general (?)

See(?).....that is =probably= the dolby digital signal from the HD program....at least that's what i =think= it is. And on my system, i'm hearing DD 5.1 sound just perfectly, as it comes via composite cable. I wonder how much better the sound and pic would be with HDMI instead. I can't imagine it's THAT much better. :confused:

Update, connected component, enabled all resolutions, changed EDID to DFLT in Lumagen, set start-up channel to 725 (720p ESPN-HD). Then I pulled the plug on the cable box, disconnected the component cable and reconnected HDMI. After plugging the cable box back in, I now have 480p and 1080i working. No 720p. Looks like I'm back. Thanks again.
Update. I now have 480p/720p/1080i working. It looks like this is EDID related. I changed the Lumagen to "PASS", meaning it will consult the plasma for supported resolutions to advertise. This made 720p work again. Setting EDID to "OFF" defaults the 8300HD to 1080i only, setting EDID to "DFLT" enables 480p/1080i. Only the "PASS" setting enabled all three resolutions. Looks like the "Output formats" options in the 8300HD is almost a placebo when you run HDMI, since it restricts your options to whatever the EDID data advertises. It would be nice to be able to do either:

1. Turn EDID support On/Off on the 8300HD.
2. Have a selection in the Lumagen of what scanrates to advertise.

Please note that once the 8300HD decided that a resolution is supported/not supported, it will remember this until the next reboot. Changes to the Lumagen config will not be recognized unless the 8300HD is rebooted. Looks like the EDID identification happens the first time you tune to a channel with a particular scanrate.

Update. I now have 480p/720p/1080i working. It looks like this is EDID related. I changed the Lumagen to "PASS", meaning it will consult the plasma for supported resolutions to advertise. This made 720p work again. Setting EDID to "OFF" defaults the 8300HD to 1080i only, setting EDID to "DFLT" enables 480p/1080i. Only the "PASS" setting enabled all three resolutions. Looks like the "Output formats" options in the 8300HD is almost a placebo when you run HDMI, since it restricts your options to whatever the EDID data advertises. It would be nice to be able to do either:

1. Turn EDID support On/Off on the 8300HD.
2. Have a selection in the Lumagen of what scanrates to advertise.

Please note that once the 8300HD decided that a resolution is supported/not supported, it will remember this until the next reboot. Changes to the Lumagen config will not be recognized unless the 8300HD is rebooted. Looks like the EDID identification happens the first time you tune to a channel with a particular scanrate.

Carl,

Can you report your findings to Lumagen and see what they say. I sent some info to Patrick and he said they would look into it when they get a chance. Any further info we can provide would help.

I have 480p/720p/1080i working with the Lumagen set to dflt and not pass. At one point I had 480i working also. That has now disappeared and would really like to get that back as it helps with SD material to let the Luamgen deinterlace Vs. the 8300. I asked Lumagen if the loss of 480i was possibly EDID related??

Is anyone able to ouput 480i over HDMI?

I posted the details in the Lumagen forum. I suspect that if you reboot your cable box, you will lose 720p. It happened to me when I was set to DFLT. Not sure if we have the same firmware on the 8300 and scaler of course...

I posted the details in the Lumagen forum. I suspect that if you reboot your cable box, you will lose 720p. It happened to me when I was set to DFLT. Not sure if we have the same firmware on the 8300 and scaler of course...

I have an original 8300HD box, Rev. 1.2? and the latest TW software download reported here 1.8112? (going from memory) and I am using the latest Lumagen 12-27-05 firmware.

I have an original 8300HD box, Rev. 1.2? and the latest TW software download reported here 1.8112? (going from memory) and I am using the latest Lumagen 12-27-05 firmware.
I have hardware revision 2.1 on mine, the rest of our versions are identical.

My Dvr makes Noise like Crazy even when everthing is off. I callled TW NYC they said it is a common problem :confused:

My new dvr is so loud that I can hear it above the dialogue from the movie, which is unacceptable. My other two dvrs are both the original 8300 boxes and are pretty quiet. This box can be heard "thumping" from 9 feet across the room. A tech is coming tomorrow to replace it with box #3 in this saga (the first box died after 2 days). This cannot be normal regardless of what the customer service people say. I wonder if it is connected to the Rev 2.2?

Updated to add that I spoke to a CSR who said that it sounds like a bad hard drive in the box (2 in one week?!). They are bringing yet another one tomorrow.

Also - out of curiosity, did anyone have audio and video dropouts during Cold Case tonight? I also had audio dropouts on Discovery HD tonight. Not sure if it was system wide or related to my box.

I don't think my DVR is that loud. It definitely "thumps" and is louder than the previous box, but can't hear it over dialogue, if that helps.

Very loud. it is the Hard drive constantly writing or reading. sometimes it's louder then others

My new dvr is so loud that I can hear it above the dialogue from the movie, which is unacceptable. My other two dvrs are both the original 8300 boxes and are pretty quiet. This box can be heard "thumping" from 9 feet across the room. A tech is coming tomorrow to replace it with box #3 in this saga (the first box died after 2 days). This cannot be normal regardless of what the customer service people say. I wonder if it is connected to the Rev 2.2?

Updated to add that I spoke to a CSR who said that it sounds like a bad hard drive in the box (2 in one week?!). They are bringing yet another one tomorrow.

Also - out of curiosity, did anyone have audio and video dropouts during Cold Case tonight? I also had audio dropouts on Discovery HD tonight. Not sure if it was system wide or related to my box.

LisaM, just reread your post.

During NFL broadcasts from today, watched in recorded mode all day, no audio dropouts. However, I watdhed Discovery HD for a short time tonight and there were some audio dropouts.

Can someone tell me where I can find the upcoming HD channels if there are any?

:mad:
Knicks in HD?

Anyone know what’s up?

They are home but it’s not on 712 in HD!

Anyone getting it in HD right now?
Is this a Queens problem?

It’s listed on the program guide on 712HD.
They are saying on the telecast that it’s in HD.

But nothing yet!

It’s listed on the program guide on 712HD.
They are saying on the telecast that it’s in HD.

But nothing yet!

This =sucks=. Someone asleep at the switch at TWC again?? Or does the whole dept take off for MLK Day? :mad:

No HD today for the Knicks game...

Just called the rocket scientists and they said that the next scheduled Knicks HD broadcast is 1-24. This doesn’t make sense. They are home Friday but this game is not going to be in HD according to the CSR

No HD today for the Knicks game...

Just called the rocket scientists and they said that the next scheduled Knicks HD broadcast is 1-24. This doesn’t make sense. They are home Friday but this game is not going to be in HD according to the CSR

Absolutely atrocious!! :mad:

At least the game Thursday is on TNT. No BS with them, just HD.

No HD today for the Knicks game...

Just called the rocket scientists and they said that the next scheduled Knicks HD broadcast is 1-24. This doesn’t make sense. They are home Friday but this game is not going to be in HD according to the CSR


They are wrong its on the guide right now, all home games are HD, it really depends on the morons you get there.

I've had at least 5 or 6 cable providers in the country, TWC is EASILY the worst and has the least educated and intelligent people when i call. I blame the NYC factor, rarely do I get someone that is actually born in the US when I call, its like walking onto the subway station and asking a random person about my cable.

Worthless this city.

No HD today for the Knicks game...

Just called the rocket scientists and they said that the next scheduled Knicks HD broadcast is 1-24. This doesn’t make sense. They are home Friday but this game is not going to be in HD according to the CSR

Let's try looking at it as to why they're NOT showing the game. Certainly it appears TWC hasn't COMMITTED to a full-time MSG HD station, since it doesn't even say MSG HD on ch 712, but rather they use that annoying cop out "HD Specials" designation for 712. But in any event, it's a disturbing trend, considering all the money some of us pay for this service (about $144/mo), overall. :mad:

I blame the NYC factor, rarely do I get someone that is actually born in the US when I call, its like walking onto the subway station and asking a random person about my cable.

Worthless this city.


I put the blame on TW, not NY. Try not to let these idiots put a bad taste in your mouth for the Big Apple.

99% of the TW CSRs, which I speak to on the phone, are located in Canada. Next time you talk to one of these incompetent fools, ask them where they are.

No HD today for the Knicks game...

Just called the rocket scientists and they said that the next scheduled Knicks HD broadcast is 1-24. This doesn’t make sense. They are home Friday but this game is not going to be in HD according to the CSR

=WHO's= home on Friday?? I won't be...i'm going to see THE STONES at the Garden this Friday! :) :p

=WHO's= home on Friday?? I won't be...i'm going to see THE STONES at the Garden this Friday! :) :p
:D My mistake, Stones Friday, Knicks Saturday

:D My mistake, Stones Friday, Knicks Saturday

Gotcha. I had to look at my Stones tix again to make sure i had put the right date on the calendar! :confused:

Do I have to sign up for the HD extra package to enjoy HD ppv? Kinda sucks if I do, having to pay extra to then pay extra, currently it says no programing or something

Scott, for this to work, do you also have to set up the STB for what the ‘turn on’ channel is? Is it set for one of these ODs, or as last channel?
Good question. I leave mine as "last channel", but my assumption is that the box will remain tuned to the last channel you had it on until you power it back up, and then it will switch to your "turn on" channel. This can be verified by checking if the "turn on" channel is buffered when you power up. If there is no back buffer then you can be pretty sure that it just switches to your channel when you turn it on. Mine is generally (if it wasn't recording something) buffered with an hour of whatever the last channel I had it tuned to.

Scott

Do I have to sign up for the HD extra package to enjoy HD ppv? Kinda sucks if I do, having to pay extra to then pay extra, currently it says no programing or something

I don't think HDPPV exists -- I think they just give you movies (a/k/a HDNet Movies) once you pay for the extra HD tier. See below:

Currently, Time Warner Cable offers the following channels in true High Definition:


Ch. 701 HBO*
Ch. 702 CBS
Ch. 703 Showtime*
Ch. 704 NBC
Ch. 705 Fox
Ch. 706 Discovery HD Theater
Ch. 707 ABC
Ch. 710 TNT HD
Ch. 713 Thirteen


*Available with premium subscription.



We also offer channels with programming in wide-screen format, including:


Ch. 714 Kids 13
Ch. 715 Thirteen World
Ch. 730 ABC News Now
Ch. 731 NBC 4 Weather Plus
Ch. 750 WNJN



HDXtra is HERE! - This special package of HDTV channels is designed for those who want the best HD programming available today. HDXtra is available to all new and existing DTV customers (Digital or DTV in Hudson Valley) with an HDTV cable box at a subscription rate of $8.95/month.


HDXtra Includes:


ESPN HD: Your favorite sports-only better. Catch live NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball telecasts, plus College World Series, Golf and more. [Ch. 725]


INHD: The 24/7 High-Def experience-NBA, major league and college sports, special events, movies, original programming and more. [Ch. 721]


INHD2: Non-stop entertainment, including IMAX features, vivid travel and nature shows, plus stunning animated film shorts. [Ch. 722]


HDNet Movies: Great films and HD original features, all as they were meant to be seen, in their original aspect ratio. [Ch. 723]


HDNet: A wide variety of entertaining original content, including Sports on HDNet, HDNet Concert Series and HD Hollywood. [Ch. 724]

I kinda don't wanna say anything, but I just hooked up my HD today for the first time, and I'm getting what appear to be the HDXtra channels, like HDNet, although I didn't ask for it. I swapped out my old box last night. My subscription is for the Dbest, or the digital + premium, but not HDExtra. What gives?
Happens every time someone swaps in a new box. Takes a couple of days before it automatically programs itself for your package. Most of the time you get all (or nearly all) of the channels offered for a day or 2 until it settles in to what you ordered. Someone posts about this about once-a-month.

If you call to complain (or for some other problem), they will immediately zap your box with the correct settings. Best to not say anything and enjoy it while it lasts.


Scott

Do I have to sign up for the HD extra package to enjoy HD ppv? Kinda sucks if I do, having to pay extra to then pay extra, currently it says no programing or something
There is an "HD PPV" channel (720), but there is never anything on it. As long as it's been there (6 months?), there has only been one event offered -- some boxing match in HD 3 or 4 months ago.

You don't have to subscibe to anything special to get it -- you can tune in and see if there's anything available just like any other PPV channel. It's just that there's never anything there. Seems like just about every other market in the country has some (if paltry) selection of HD PPV movies available....just not TWC-NYC.

Scott

Thanks for the quick response. I'm thinking of moving to Yonkers where Cablevision has MOD HD, joking but really we are getting short changed. Thanks again

Does anyone know where to get an accurate list of the channels in the various packages available? Right now I have the Entertainment Pack for $96.95 a month, plus HD DVR and HD Combo. But on the website the only options I see are DTV Intro Pack and DTV Value Pack. But if you click on the list of channels, it shows the same list for both.

Anyway, I want to get the cheapest package, plus the DVR and the HD Xxtra. But some time ago a CSR said I couldn’t do that, that in order to get the latter 2 I had to get the complete digital channel package. This sounds like BS to me.

Does anyone have DTV Intro and the HD DVR and HD Xxtra? And what channels would I lose?

Re my post above I think I found the answer. There are some channels with an asterisk that don't come with the Intro Pack. I would lose ESPN but that's OK as I would have ESPN HD. I only watch ESPN2 for VaTech football once or twice a year. On FX Nip/Tuck is over for a while and so is Rescue Me. I only watch IFC once in a while. So I can save $30 or so a month by missing The Shield on FX. I can live with that.

What about YES? Would I still get the games that are shown on the HD channel? I assume the new Mets network will be on the premium tier but I can switch back when the season starts.

Does anyone know when or if we are getting UHD and MHD?

UHD should be hear before the olympics next month & MHD is part negotiations with MTV and their networks.

8300HD flickers on and off
I've had my 8300HD (passport software on TWCNYC) for about 11 months and recently have been noticing an annoying problem with it: when my plasma tv is turned off, the dvr unit would flicker on and off constantly. I see it on the front lcd display where the 720p and power symbol would flicker constantly between "On" and "off"....

Anyone else have this problem?


Yes, I've been experiencing the same thing. Color roll as well. Don't know what to do about it though. I just switch channels and come right back to my original channel and that clears it up.

PITA though!!! :mad:

Anyone else been noticing very poor picture quality on the NBA games broadcast on INHD?
I can't specifically remember which, but the last two games I tuned in for looked heavily compressed with a ton of blocking artifacts.
Other HD (including a TNT NBA game) looked fine at the same time. Anyone else notice?

TI've had at least 5 or 6 cable providers in the country, TWC is EASILY the worst and has the least educated and intelligent people when i call. I blame the NYC factor, rarely do I get someone that is actually born in the US when I call, its like walking onto the subway station and asking a random person about my cable.

Worthless this city.

Ouch! I'd bet money that most of the TWC employees you're complaining about are actually in a call-center bunker in Nebraska or South Dakota (or maybe even in India) and not here in New York. Calling NYC worthless is fightin' words! There are endless reasons why the advantages of New York's cultural diversity far outweigh the drawbacks.

Anyone else been noticing very poor picture quality on the NBA games broadcast on INHD?
I can't specifically remember which, but the last two games I tuned in for looked heavily compressed with a ton of blocking artifacts.
Other HD (including a TNT NBA game) looked fine at the same time. Anyone else notice?

I've noticed it too, couldn't watch it.
hopefully the next game is decent.

Did anybody have a problem at 9:35 tonight? My recordings of Lost and Million Dollar Baby got screwed up. Million Doillar Baby picked up again at 9:35, but Lost never resurfaced. Guess I have to go to iTunes ; (

MSG Network has announced that it will have select away games from the Knicks & Rangers in HD. The first game is Thursday 01/19/06, lets see if they turn on 712!

http://www.msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?articleID=v0000msgn20060118T190901455&newsgroup=ap.sportsml.columnist.article/Rangers&sports=ice-hockey&team=Rangers&league=nhl

Did anybody have a problem at 9:35 tonight? My recordings of Lost and Million Dollar Baby got screwed up. Million Doillar Baby picked up again at 9:35, but Lost never resurfaced. Guess I have to go to iTunes ; (

I recorded Lost, and watched it later. There appeared to be no problem on my recording.

-barry

MSG Network has announced that it will have select away games from the Knicks & Rangers in HD. The first game is Thursday 01/19/06, lets see if they turn on 712!

http://www.msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?articleID=v0000msgn20060118T190901455&newsgroup=ap.sportsml.columnist.article/Rangers&sports=ice-hockey&team=Rangers&league=nhl


Great information, thanks for the tip.

I read the link and found it kind of funny that the Knicks first away game in HD is against the Nets. We would’ve received the HD feed anyway as a Nets home game via YES.

Regardless, I hope that this is the beginning of more Knicks in HD. This will be greatly appreciated

I HAVE NO FUGGIN CABLE OR INTERNET!!!!!

Well the storm knocked out power and mor eimportantly cable!!!

I had to go to brooklyn to watch lsot last night and even worse.. READ A BOOK SINCE I HAD NO TV TO WATCH!!!

Supposidly TWC said possibly as late as NEXT WEDNESDAY TO HAVE THE CABLE REPAIRED!!!

WHAT BS IS THAT!

Freaking 40+mph winds in bayside. Damn you all to hell :(

Did anybody have a problem at 9:35 tonight? My recordings of Lost and Million Dollar Baby got screwed up. Million Doillar Baby picked up again at 9:35, but Lost never resurfaced. Guess I have to go to iTunes ; (

No problem with my Lost recording. I did notice that coming out of one commercial break the broadcast was in SD for the first couple of seconds.

I don't know if its me, or if there is something wrong.

I have a SA8300HD DVR box(made 9/14/05 Rev 2.2) hooked up to a Toshiba 46HM95(kept in natural setting) via HDMI.

1- When using the RC video source button to adjust aspect ratio on SD channels, I get a row of black bars and than another row of gray in 4:3. When I use stretch or zoom, it just takes away the inner grey row but still leaves the black.
Is this right?
Also, where is the bypass button it says in the menu after you hit video source on RC?

2- My HD channels sometimes flicker red and blue. Sometimes, some channels will only come with audio, during this, I cant pull up guide or info from box. I can only change channel without picture.
Anyone experience this?

3- Adding channels to favorites do not seem to be working right.
Is this me?

My setting on the box is--
Aspect Ratio--Widescreen : Stretch 4:3
Outport Format--All of them
Audio--Digital Out HDMI

Try it without the 480i output selected.

I had to go to brooklyn to watch lsot last night and even worse.. READ A BOOK SINCE I HAD NO TV TO WATCH!!!
:(

Oh the humanity!

;)

My 8300HD box (rev 1.2) is acting weirdly (what a shock). It is hooked up via HDMI to the plasma. When I turn off the set, the box usually turns off (as it should). However, sometimes, instead of turning off, the writing on the box starts to flicker between the channel number, the time, and 1080i HDTV. The only way to stop this is to pull the plug and reboot. Any ideas?

DOes anyone know how to change the gray bars displayed when viewing SD channels to black bars? Is this possible with the 8300 box?

DOes anyone know how to change the gray bars displayed when viewing SD channels to black bars? Is this possible with the 8300 box?

CAN'T

Can you tell me why WB11 (WPIX) in NYC is not available in HD to Time Warner Cable Subscribers? Is it a contract issue that's holding it up and if so, are their negotiations taking place to deliver it?

Betty Berlamino, VP & GM of WB11:
"Hi...thanks for writing! I would suggest that you contact Time Warner Cable and ask them when they plan to include WB11 on their HD tier. There is no issue (that I know of) holding them up. THANK YOU!"


Wonder what that means, TWC could pass along the HD signal but chooses not to?

TWCNYC is supposed to be implementing Swithed Digital Technology to allow for more HD channels to be broadcasted.
Who knows when or even if it's being done right now.

A little info on it.
http://hdtv.forsandiego.com/messages/2/4226.html?1137668204#POST22373

why isn't the Rangers game on in HD tonight? doesn't Time Warner know when games are available in HD? this is the first MSG road game to be available in HD and these TWC clowns have dropped the ball again. :confused: :(

MSG Takes HD on the Road (http://www.msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?articleID=v0000msgn20060118T190901455&newsgroup=ap.sportsml.columnist.article/Rangers&sports=ice-hockey&team=Rangers&league=nhl)

any chance they can get their act together and get the game on sunday in HD?

great, now the SD feed isn't even working. :( was it something i said?

why isn't the Rangers game on in HD tonight? doesn't Time Warner know when games are available in HD? this is the first MSG road game to be available in HD and these TWC clowns have dropped the ball again. :confused: :(

MSG Takes HD on the Road (http://www.msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?articleID=v0000msgn20060118T190901455&newsgroup=ap.sportsml.columnist.article/Rangers&sports=ice-hockey&team=Rangers&league=nhl)

any chance they can get their act together and get the game on sunday in HD?
xi saw the game fine here in queens on 712.

TWCNYC is supposed to be implementing Swithed Digital Technology to allow for more HD channels to be broadcasted.
Who knows when or even if it's being done right now.

A little info on it.
http://hdtv.forsandiego.com/messages/2/4226.html?1137668204#POST22373
This was posted about at least 6 months ago. And if I recall the details -- yes, TW is testing this technology. But NYC will be one of the last markets to get it. So it won't help us much, if at all, for a long while.

Scott

Has anyone tried switching to Satellite? if so any remarks.

xi saw the game fine here in queens on 712.

great, so you get it in Queens but they can't give it to those of us in Manhattan? glad you got to see it at least. the standard MSG feed is beyond horrible.

Has anyone tried switching to Satellite? if so any remarks.

This forum is for Time Warner cable NYC.
Search for DirecTV or Dish for a sat info. forum.

I came from DirecTV almost a year ago.

What are you trying to ask?
I imagine some people here have 'switched' from sat(ie:VOOM) to cable over the last few years.
Sat sux even more than TWCNYC right now!

Waiting for MPEG4!

Has anyone tried switching to Satellite? if so any remarks.I have both.. what do you want to know about satellite?

Ranger fans need to band together and protest to MSG and TWC. There was another road game on HDNet earlier this season that was also blacked out in Manhattasn. Meanwhile we have to watch the ultra crappy SD feed with minutes of no picutre and a period of no sound...it's getting unbearbale...especially after being teased with home games on 712 in HD....that is, if you didn't try recording them on DVR, which doesn't work. Argghhhh

great, so you get it in Queens but they can't give it to those of us in Manhattan? glad you got to see it at least. the standard MSG feed is beyond horrible.MSG HD plain sucks right now on TWCNY..

Ranger fans need to band together and protest to MSG and TWC. There was another road game on HDNet earlier this season that was also blacked out in Manhattasn. Meanwhile we have to watch the ultra crappy SD feed with minutes of no picutre and a period of no sound...it's getting unbearbale...especially after being teased with home games on 712 in HD....that is, if you didn't try recording them on DVR, which doesn't work. Argghhhh
The PQ on 712 MSG HD has a lot to be deisred...

Ranger fans need to band together and protest to MSG and TWC. There was another road game on HDNet earlier this season that was also blacked out in Manhattasn. Meanwhile we have to watch the ultra crappy SD feed with minutes of no picutre and a period of no sound...it's getting unbearbale...especially after being teased with home games on 712 in HD....that is, if you didn't try recording them on DVR, which doesn't work. Argghhhh

Why is DVR disabled for recording 712? Seems beyond ridiculous.

I would take 712 over anything else anyday. how picky can we be at the moment? it's 1000 times better than 27. As for recording issue I think it's just lazy from TWC, no other possible reason. They just need to fix the channel.

I just bought a Panasonic TH42PX50U and live in NYC and have Time Warner Cable. I have the SA 8300 HD DVR box.

I am just not satisfied with my SD PQ. Yes I know SD sucks compared to HD and I know that if the source sucks there isn't much you can do about it. I have hooked up the STB to my TV using component cables.

First of all I have to use the STB to stretch 4:3 SD material. In settings: more settings menu I have chosen my TV to be widescreen. Now if I choose sidebar 4:3 material and let my tv stretch it there will still be sidebars. To fill the screen I have my tv's aspect ratio set to Just and the STB to widescreen 16:9; stretch 4:3.

Is this correct. Is there any other way for my TV and not the STB to stretch the content? I have tried everything and it doesn't seem like you can

I am also constantly fiddling with the video output. First off, chossing 1080i makes even 720p content look better. Also, I have read that passing through the signal for the TV to handle is the best but it seems to me just enabling 1080i only seems to have better PQ than enabling 480p, 480, and 720p.

What should a newbie like me do. I just wish there was more HD content.

Sorry to go off topic but I trust the knowledge from this board most;
If I get one of those upconverting DVD players, can I only get 1080i through the HDMI cable?
Many thanks

I just bought a Panasonic TH42PX50U and live in NYC and have Time Warner Cable. I have the SA 8300 HD DVR box.

I am just not satisfied with my SD PQ. Yes I know SD sucks compared to HD and I know that if the source sucks there isn't much you can do about it. I have hooked up the STB to my TV using component cables.

First of all I have to use the STB to stretch 4:3 SD material. In settings: more settings menu I have chosen my TV to be widescreen. Now if I choose sidebar 4:3 material and let my tv stretch it there will still be sidebars. To fill the screen I have my tv's aspect ratio set to Just and the STB to widescreen 16:9; stretch 4:3.

Is this correct. Is there any other way for my TV and not the STB to stretch the content? I have tried everything and it doesn't seem like you can

I am also constantly fiddling with the video output. First off, chossing 1080i makes even 720p content look better. Also, I have read that passing through the signal for the TV to handle is the best but it seems to me just enabling 1080i only seems to have better PQ than enabling 480p, 480, and 720p.

What should a newbie like me do. I just wish there was more HD content.

Do you have an S Video, or the real old Yellow video RCA connections on your set? If so, try and see how they look with the SD situation. Some find that the crappier signal looks better with the crappier connection. And another advantage to these inferior connections is that by using them you should be able to utilize your picture modes on your set as opposed to the STB.

Hi, new to the site and need help.

Live in SI, NY Just got the SA8300 fromT/W 2 days ago. Hooked it up to my Hitachi 51UWX20B with DVMI to DVI cable. Problem is the color stinks on HD channels only. I have a green/yellow tint and no adjustment I've made to color settings have helped.

I am definitely a novice with all this. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

check you cables...something on the 3-wire component sounds messed up.

I have both.. what do you want to know about satellite?


Does one give you a better picture? are they the same? How is the service with Satelitte? Dish offers many HD channels over TWC yes, no? I am so sick of TWCNYC- over charging me every month service reps that are hoodlums. I really wish there were more options but there are not.

My 8300HD box (rev 1.2) is acting weirdly (what a shock). It is hooked up via HDMI to the plasma. When I turn off the set, the box usually turns off (as it should). However, sometimes, instead of turning off, the writing on the box starts to flicker between the channel number, the time, and 1080i HDTV. The only way to stop this is to pull the plug and reboot. Any ideas?

Turn the 8300 off first, then the TV. Seems to be a new bug introduced with the last software update. On the positive side, even if you don't turn the 8300 off first I haven't noticed any problems with recording shows overnight.

Anyone know when TWC is going to roll out SA's new MCP-100 DVR w/ DVD burner? There's a review of it on CNET's site from CES, and it looks pretty sweet ! I was using a Pioneer DVR-531H-S but the hard drive crapped out on me, and it wasn't on warranty so I need to get a totally new one. :-( I'm not sure if this supports HD recording (DVD burning in SD most likely?), but even if it doesn't, they'll probably release a version that does.

UHD should be hear before the olympics next month & MHD is part negotiations with MTV and their networks.

i have rcn but will jump ship to twcny if they get universal hd. i called rcn and they said to check back next week on update of posible launch of it.

DOes anyone know how to change the gray bars displayed when viewing SD channels to black bars? Is this possible with the 8300 box?

What I do is set the 8300 to stretch and my TV (which has black bars) to 4:3 mode.

Anyone know when TWC is going to roll out SA's new MCP-100 DVR w/ DVD burner? There's a review of it on CNET's site from CES, and it looks pretty sweet ! I was using a Pioneer DVR-531H-S but the hard drive crapped out on me, and it wasn't on warranty so I need to get a totally new one. :-( I'm not sure if this supports HD recording (DVD burning in SD most likely?), but even if it doesn't, they'll probably release a version that does.

Everything I'm going to say is pure opinion - I don't have any facts about the schedule for this product. However, I imagine that this product is slightly different internally than the 8300, so I bet it requires a different version of PASSPORT to support it. Given the past evidence of speed (for both PASSPORT and TWC), I'd be surprised to see this item available in NYC before late summer. In fact, I consider that an aggressive estimate. It wouldn't surprise me if they are "rushing" to get it ready by Christmas!

Regarding recording HD on DVD's that's even further out. Current DVD players/recorders do not support HD. The ones that do are just now being released in sample quantities. And, there are two competing formats (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray). My bet is that you'll see very expensive ($500+) consumer available high definition DVD players soon, say 1Q2006. Then you'll see the recorders, similarly priced, in the second or third quarter. Frankly, I think we'd be luck to see a combined TWC DVR and high def DVD recorder in 2007.

Just my $.02.

-barry

I have TWC in upstate NY.
Is anyone having a problem with HBO HD?
Both channels 701 & 208 are either frozen or blank gray screen.
The movie Contact is on now or rather off.
This has been happening on and off for months now.
Seems to occur mostly when the movie is left in original aspect ratio.
Bars on top & bottom, not cropped to fill wide screen.
I get my signal from the Poughkeepsie head end.
I believe it's an isolated issue.
I've called cs and spoke to supes and managers many times.
They send someone out to the head end but the problem returns.
I think the piece of equipment that processes the HBO HD signal is defective.
Does anyone know who you can call to get this fixed?
Thanks,
Eddie

unscheduled Islanders vs. Devils HD game was up on 712 today.

glad to see TWC doing something right, all we need is program data.

that's great for Devils and Islanders fans...but where is the Rangers/Bruins game in HD?

that's great for Devils and Islanders fans...but where is the Rangers/Bruins game in HD?


If we're lucky we might see some highlights from NESN-HD on Sportscenter.

Upcoming HD games on Channel 712

Channel 712 - HD Specials
01/22 - NY Rangers 7:00pm
01/24 - NY Rangers 7:00pm
01/25 - NY Knicks 7:30pm
01/26 - NJ Devils 7:30pm
01/27 - NY Knicks 7:30pm
01/28 - NY Knicks 8:00pm (HD Away Game)

Do you have your 8300HD HDMI cable going to your tv. I have mine hooked up that way ,and i get the HDMI and the otther two audio settings. My HDMI is on video7on my tv. :)
A belated thanks to Angel 35 for the response to my question. I still can't get any audio via the "digital out," though now I think that might be a problem with my TV itself - will post a question to a different board. Does anyone else think that the PQ is slightly better from the component video out vs. HDMI? Just seems to me like there's a little more pixelation with HDMI. I got cheap cables from monoprice, per recommendations at AVS FRoum - could this be accounting for it at all?

A belated thanks to Angel 35 for the response to my question. I still can't get any audio via the "digital out," though now I think that might be a problem with my TV itself - will post a question to a different board. Does anyone else think that the PQ is slightly better from the component video out vs. HDMI? Just seems to me like there's a little more pixelation with HDMI. I got cheap cables from monoprice, per recommendations at AVS FRoum - could this be accounting for it at all?

I've been using component cables since the cable guy who installed my 8300 box recommended it to me over HDMI...and the PQ for the most part, has been excellent.

March 1st: SportsNet NY will launch on 26
FSNY will move to 79
Prayer Channel will move from 79 to 97
Sportskool On Demand will be on 1024

February 1st: NBC 4.4 channel 732 ??????
NY1 On Demand channel 1110
Local On Demand channel 1111


What in the world is NBC 4.4?
I hope this isn't another channel like NBC Weather Plus.
It better be Universal-HD.
SportsNet NY is supposed to be in HD as well but no info on that.

What in the world is NBC 4.4?
I hope this isn't another channel like NBC Weather Plus.
It better be Universal-HD.


This afternoon, at least, 4.4 is a SD channel airing a show about wine and seals (Wine Country).

March 1st: SportsNet NY will launch on 26
FSNY will move to 79
Prayer Channel will move from 79 to 97
Sportskool On Demand will be on 1024

February 1st: NBC 4.4 channel 732 ??????
NY1 On Demand channel 1110
Local On Demand channel 1111


What in the world is NBC 4.4?
I hope this isn't another channel like NBC Weather Plus.
It better be Universal-HD.
SportsNet NY is supposed to be in HD as well but no info on that.

And where, oh where, is SportsNet NY HD? Will there be any Mets HD home games this year????

And where, oh where, is SportsNet NY HD? Will there be any Mets HD home games this year????
I would expect Mets games in HD to pop up on 708 for game time like the Yankees on YES-HD.

I would expect Mets games in HD to pop up on 708 for game time like the Yankees on YES-HD.

What happens if a Yankee game is on 708, does SNY-HD get moved to 712?
What happens if a Rangers or Knicks game is on 712?
Maybe they move it to INHD like Comcast does?
Maybe they create a third HD Specials channel?

We'll find out in a month what's going on.

I have a Sony SD30XS955 arrving tomorrow.

I live in NYC - downtown Brooklyn and I will be visiting Time Warner Center to get my box. What cable box should I go for? I have read of alot of problems with DVI to HDMI cables. Is this problem resolved on new boxes or should I go with component cables?

Time Warner Cable's website list two current models - a Pioneer and Scientific Atlantic. I not necessary concerned about having a DVR, just want to have the best picture and less hassels.

Thanks for the help.

Upn in on 709, follow John Mason's instruction to enter diag mode

Are there more instructions on how to "tune" in another station?

When I got into "diag" mode there were a number of options there.

If your viewing Channel 1999 in diagnostic mode, you will quicky realize how complicated it is.

If your already in Diag. mode then you can go ahead a enter in channels thru your remote.

Hidden channels like 709, 1111, 1110 & 1014

I would imagine 732, 79 & 97 will pop up close to Feb 1st.

I have a Sony SD30XS955 arrving tomorrow.

I live in NYC - downtown Brooklyn and I will be visiting Time Warner Center to get my box. What cable box should I go for? I have read of alot of problems with DVI to HDMI cables. Is this problem resolved on new boxes or should I go with component cables?

Time Warner Cable's website list two current models - a Pioneer and Scientific Atlantic. I not necessary concerned about having a DVR, just want to have the best picture and less hassels.

Thanks for the help.
great buy my friend!!!!
I have the same tube,
I have the standard pioneer hd box and noticed a big difference in the quality of my sd channels when i went from component to hdmi cables.

i use a monoprice hdmi cable, works great

but the tv is great youll be very happy.

Some technical info

http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/customers/prod_bbaccess_Bandwidth_Mgmt-pg2.htm

http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/customers/images_bbaccess/1204_Fac_Sheet_3.pdf

CW network to replace WB, UPN
CBS, Warner Bros. announce plans for new network to debut in September.
January 24, 2006: 11:41 AM EST


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Warner Brothers and CBS Corp. announced plans Tuesday for the creation of a new broadcast television network, called CW, that would replace the WB and UPN networks in the fall of this year.

The new broadcast network will draw on programming from both WB and UPN, and will be a joint venture between Warner Bros. and CBS (Research), with each company owning 50 percent, officials of both companies.
WB's 'Gilmore Girls' will be one of the shows on the new CW network, officials said.
WB's 'Gilmore Girls' will be one of the shows on the new CW network, officials said.

"This new network will serve the public with high-quality programming and maintain our ongoing commitment to our diverse audience," said Les Moonves, the chairman of CBS, in a statement.

Prime time programming will target the profitable 18-34 age group, officials of Warner and CBS said.

The new network will broadcast such UPN shows as "America's Next Top Model," "Veronica Mars" and "Everybody Hates Chris," as well as WB programs "Beauty and the Geek," "Smallville" and "Gilmore Girls."

Warner Brothers Entertainment is a division of Time Warner (Research), as is CNNMoney.com. Top of page

Maybe this is a underlying reason why we never recieved upn or wb in hd?

but on a side note. stupid ****ing move this merger is.

Maybe this is a underlying reason why we never recieved upn or wb in hd?

but on a side note. stupid ****ing move this merger is.

DITTO,DITTO. :(

Maybe this is a underlying reason why we never recieved upn or wb in hd?

That would be my first guess also, I could really believe TWC would hold back UPN-HD & WB-HD because of this joint venture.

Come next fall there will be no reason to have UPN-HD & WB-HD becuase niether of those channels will have their old HD programming, unless they create new ones.

"NBC 4.4 is a SD multicast in the same manner as NBC Weather +

SportsNet NY details have not been finalized and their expected launch date will be sometime after March 1.

We expect our new website, with our current channel lineups, to be up soon.
Thanks. Bob Watson."

What happens if a Yankee game is on 708, does SNY-HD get moved to 712?
What happens if a Rangers or Knicks game is on 712?
Maybe they move it to INHD like Comcast does?
Maybe they create a third HD Specials channel?

We'll find out in a month what's going on.

I believe when they had the U.S. Open both 708 and 712 were occupied and channel 720 was used as the the third option.

I believe when they had the U.S. Open both 708 and 712 were occupied and channel 720 was used as the the third option.

very true, they should relable channel 720 "HD Specials 3"

SportsNet New York to Launch on March 16


http://www.sportsnetny.com/pdf/2006-01-23-launch-date.pdf

I've seen a couple posts that say it is impossible to get black bars on the side of the screen in standard definition on the 8300. This is not true. I have them over the component outputs. I set the box to output in 1080i, 720p and 480i. I then set it default to widescreen view. When I went to a SD channel there were thin grey bars within the black bars. I then changed the view to stretch and the grey bars went away. The aspect ratio is correct and there does not to be any degredation in picture quality. HD is set to normal and displays properly as well. I hope this helps those of you who are attempting to get rid of your grey bars.

I've seen a couple posts that say it is impossible to get black bars on the side of the screen in standard definition on the 8300. This is not true. I have them over the component outputs. I set the box to output in 1080i, 720p and 480i. I then set it default to widescreen view. When I went to a SD channel there were thin grey bars within the black bars. I then changed the view to stretch and the grey bars went away. The aspect ratio is correct and there does not to be any degredation in picture quality. HD is set to normal and displays properly as well. I hope this helps those of you who are attempting to get rid of your grey bars.


I have NEVER had gray bars in SD on my 8300. I'm using HDMI.

The Secret: Set your aspect ratio to standard instead of widescreen. HD looks perfect and the SD will have black bars instead of gray.

pveman and pdroth - you are both describing the method that many of us use to replace the gray bars that the 8300 would insert in "Sidebar" mode w/ black bars that our displays insert in 4:3 mode.

Note that the box is NOT capable of inserting black sidebars on its own. The workaround, which is display specific, is to stretch the picture on the 8300 (no bars) and then shrink the picture (using 4:3, standard, whatever your display calls it mode) back to normal size on the display. If your display inserts gray bars instead of black bars, you are SOL.

hey, sorry to be a bother but can someone repost the steps to entering diag mode on the 8300HD? i searched for Diag Mode, found a link to a post that said to follow Jason Mason's tips, but can't seem to find the actual post. after skimming the last 15 pages i've given up. thanks.

pveman and pdroth - you are both describing the method that many of us use to replace the gray bars that the 8300 would insert in "Sidebar" mode w/ black bars that our displays insert in 4:3 mode.

Note that the box is NOT capable of inserting black sidebars on its own. The workaround, which is display specific, is to stretch the picture on the 8300 (no bars) and then shrink the picture (using 4:3, standard, whatever your display calls it mode) back to normal size on the display. If your display inserts gray bars instead of black bars, you are SOL.

I'm SOL, my TV, on component anyway, does not allow me to adjust size. So I can't unstretch the cable box setting.

However, are there cable boxes that do allow you to set the color, and if so any chance we'll ever get one?

hey, sorry to be a bother but can someone repost the steps to entering diag mode on the 8300HD? i searched for Diag Mode, found a link to a post that said to follow Jason Mason's tips, but can't seem to find the actual post. after skimming the last 15 pages i've given up. thanks.

On the front of the box, simultaneously press EXIT and SELECT until dIAG appears, and repeat that action once until the display shows the Diagnostics menus. To exit Diagnostics, just enter any "normal" channel number on the remote.

hey, sorry to be a bother but can someone repost the steps to entering diag mode on the 8300HD? i searched for Diag Mode, found a link to a post that said to follow Jason Mason's tips, but can't seem to find the actual post. after skimming the last 15 pages i've given up. thanks.

Don't quote me, but this is what I found. Not at home so I can't try it:



Diagnostic Mode. There are two ways to enter the Diagnostic Mode:

Press and hold the Select button on the front of the unit until the Mail light starts to flash, then press the INFO button.


Press and hold the Pause button on the remote until the Mail light starts to flash (around 10-15 seconds), then press the Page Up (-) button.

However, are there cable boxes that do allow you to set the color . . . ?

The 8300HD itself has that feature -- but only when running the SARA OS, not Passport.

While scanning the guide for its farthest reaches into the future (2/1/06), last night, I noticed that the familiar "Off Air" on ch. 720 had changed to something along the lines of "NBA League Pass High Definition games".

Doesn't particularly excite me, but it may indeed excite some of you out there. :-)

Don't quote me, but this is what I found. Not at home so I can't try it:



Diagnostic Mode. There are two ways to enter the Diagnostic Mode:

Press and hold the Select button on the front of the unit until the Mail light starts to flash, then press the INFO button.


Press and hold the Pause button on the remote until the Mail light starts to flash (around 10-15 seconds), then press the Page Up (-) button.

If you have a Passport echo box you press select& exit on the box at the same time on till you see diag and then press exit. You will go to 1999 :cool:

Press and hold the Pause button on the remote until the Mail light starts to flash (around 10-15 seconds), then press the Page Up (-) button.
This method won't work (I think it only works on SARA systems). The other one you posted (SELECT + EXIT) will.

Scott

Email from Mr. Watson

"We don’t have a launch date for WB11HD"

"We will make Universal HD available to our customers for the duration of the Olympics."

Just great, looks like UHD will only be on for the Olympics then taken off.

TWC Corprate makes agreements for Channels and TWC Regionals choose to ignore!

While scanning the guide for its farthest reaches into the future (2/1/06), last night, I noticed that the familiar "Off Air" on ch. 720 had changed to something along the lines of "NBA League Pass High Definition games".

Doesn't particularly excite me, but it may indeed excite some of you out there. :-)

It's always good to add more HD programming, but I personally have enough basketball in HD with ABC,ESPN,INHD,MSG & YES.

If you have a Passport echo box you press select& exit on the box at the same time on till you see diag and then press exit. You will go to 1999 :cool:
Someone followed up saying this doesn't work for TWC NYC. However, I've found that a similar procedure does: after 'diag' appears on the STB, releasing and pressing the two keys again tunes in 1999. Believe you could also key in 1999 with the remote. -- John

NJ Devils game in HD all the way from TAMPA BAY.

looks pretty good.

i've looked at diag mode before, and why would i wanna see this again?

NJ Devils game in HD all the way from TAMPA BAY.

looks pretty good.

This =kinda= makes up for TWC not showing that Knicks HOME game in hi def on MSG HD a week or two ago....kinda. :confused:

I'm SOL, my TV, on component anyway, does not allow me to adjust size. So I can't unstretch the cable box setting.

However, are there cable boxes that do allow you to set the color, and if so any chance we'll ever get one?

Sorry guys, but please ... what's SOL? Searched and searched and couldn't figure it out. Sorry out of luck?

OK, I'm guessing SOL is "sadly out of luck."

OK, I'm guessing SOL is "sadly out of luck."

Sh** outa luck

It's always good to add more HD programming, but I personally have enough basketball in HD with ABC,ESPN,INHD,MSG & YES.

:D Don't forget TNT- the best of the basketball HD channels in my opinion. :p

Email from Mr. Watson

"We will make Universal HD available to our customers for the duration of the Olympics."
Just great, looks like UHD will only be on for the Olympics then taken off.



It’s not really a bad thing- wall to wall HD Olympic coverage.

I thought that this would be the case. As some recall, TWC gave us HD Net during the last Winter Olympics as a temporary HD channel. That was spectacular, although the HD coverage was on a 24 hour delay- it was still riveting- the most stunning video I had ever seen at that time.

It’s not really a bad thing- wall to wall HD Olympic coverage.
Well, the bad thing is not that we're getting it for the olympics -- the bad thing is that we don't get to *keep* it after the olympics despite the fact thta Time Warner and UHD have a deal for TW to carry the channel. Other markets have it is a permanent channel. TWC-NYC seems to be playing this "Wheel Of Fortune" game with us -- spinning random HD channels into slots so as to give us just enough to keep us from revolting, but yet not enough to really give us satisfaction.

I had the same thought about HD Net from last time. Better than nothing but still not great. Shocker. TWC NYC - always giving us *just* enough to keep us from flying off the handle.

TM

TWC-NYC seems to be playing this "Wheel Of Fortune" game with us -- spinning random HD channels into slots so as to give us just enough to keep us from revolting, but yet not enough to really give us satisfaction.

It's TWC-NYC that's revolting, not us. :)