Regarding watching HD basketball, the CBS HD broadcasts of the NCAA is superior to any HD basketball picture quality, as per usual. It blows away all other HD basketball PQ-- ABC, TNT, ESPN, MSG, YES. I wonder why?


Its actually for a few reasons.

1) WCBS does not have any subchannels (although that only makes a difference if the signal sent to TWC is the same bandwidth as what is sent OTA). You might hear in other areas that their local CBS sucks, thanks to multiple subchannels....

2) TWCNYC puts just 2 local OTA channels on a QAM channel (giving each the fullest possible bandwidth) - meanwhile, they shove 3 HD cable channels into 1 QAM channel (meaning a bit is lost) - so that is also why you see a difference.

I posted a chart a while back detailed which HD networks were on which QAM channels.... I'll have an updated one as soon as TWC adds a channel or 2 that we've been waiting so patiently for....

Thanks so much, I'll try that first. Anyone have any thoughts on the HDMI issue? The 8300 box IS (as a general rule) supposed to work with HDMI, right? Are there any sort of known brand-incompatibility issues?

i don't know if this is the case here - but some people have reported that some Comcast cable boxs refuse to pass signal to any component identifying itself as an HDMI repeater. i don't know why a tv would identify itself as such - but who knows.

Nope, you are doing nothing wrong. If you are watching programming on an HDTV and it is not being broadcast in HD, but is shown in the widescreen format, you will see letterboxing on the top and bottom, and windowboxing on the left and right -- i.e. framed on all 4 sides. This is when you should use the ZOOM feature on the TV or cable box.

Yes, it does generally look pretty bad on most standard def. channels shown over Time Warner's DTV, since they are horribly compressed to fit more channels into less space in our lineup.

This is why most of us refuse to watch films that are not shown in HD on our system one we've gone HD. So you're basically stuck waiting for movies to come onto HBO, Showtime, HDNet Movies, INHD/2, UHD (Or the occasional true HD movie shown on TNT-HD or one of the network HD channels), until TWC graces us with some more HD channel options (The Movie Channel, Cinemax, and Starz!, in particular offer HD versions of their channels which Time Warner has yet to offer to us).

[Admittedly, despite the few choices of HD movie channels, there still seems to be plenty of quality HD movie content on each month that I am interested in watching -- it is rare that I will ever have extra free space on my 8300HD! This is mostly thanks to the quality and variety of stuff on HBO, Sho, and especially HDNet Movies which always has interesting and quality stuff in rotation.]


Sorry to drag out this old post (and slightly off topic), but just trying to confirm if this concept would also pertain to the On Demand movies as well. I purchased the Wide version of "The Departed" over the weekend and the picture I got had black bars on top and bottom and also had the pillar bars left and right that you get with 4:3 programming. My cable box is set for 16:9 output. Upon further research I found that this movie is filmed at 2.40 aspect ratio, so I guess that accounts for the black bars on top and bottom. However, I thought since it was specifically identified as being the "Wide Version" that it would have filled my screen horizontally (same as if I was using the DVD). Guess not, eh?

Anyone getting a bad reception on MSG during live events everytime I watch the knicks i get a fuzziness popping in and out. this is the only channel this happens on im located in far rockaway queens

Now that you mentioned it, I noticed that fuzziness on last night's knicks game, too...i toned down the brighness level and that SEEMED to help, at least in a cosmetic way. I've also wondered what people thought of the RANGERS games on MSG HD? Why does the ice always look kinda dirty and gray to me on the farther away shots (not nearly as bad on the closeups)?? Anyone else know what i'm referring to??

Is there a listing of the TWC clear QAM line-up anywhere. I am using EyeTV and see the networks, but that seems to be about it. Does TBS and/or TNT come in anywhere?

Is there a listing of the TWC clear QAM line-up anywhere. I am using EyeTV and see the networks, but that seems to be about it. Does TBS and/or TNT come in anywhere?
Nah, you're going to get just the networks and nothing else in clear QAM. If you want anything else, you'll need a CableCARD capable QAM tuner.

from the twc website:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

"March 29: MTV Desi, MTV Chi and MTV K will not be added as previously announced due to the discontinuance of these services by MTV; and WWOR HD will be added to channel 709 and Universal HD will be moved to channel 740."
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MHD is still going to launch in S.I. on channel 718 (March 29th)

from the twc website:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

"March 29: MTV Desi, MTV Chi and MTV K will not be added as previously announced due to the discontinuance of these services by MTV; and WWOR HD will be added to channel 709 and Universal HD will be moved to channel 740."
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MHD is still going to launch in S.I. on channel 718 (March 29th)
This interesting, and it's about time Time Warner added some other place to find out about channel changes that is not the Weather Channel crawl!

Beyond what is listed above, I wonder if anyone noticed this on the page:

"...we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future:
Chinese Channel, Chinese Cinema, Great American Country On Demand, Greek Channel, HGTV, HITN, RTVi, The Arabic Channel, TV Polonia with Polskie Radio, and WABC."

OK -- I don't really care about any Chinese, Greek Arabic, or Polish channels.....but the last one made me do a doubletake -- WABC??????

Not again -- this seems to happen every couple of years -- Time Warner and Disney Corp get in a fight over whether they're allowed to carry the local ABC affiliate!!!!

Ugh....

Sorry to drag out this old post (and slightly off topic), but just trying to confirm if this concept would also pertain to the On Demand movies as well. I purchased the Wide version of "The Departed" over the weekend and the picture I got had black bars on top and bottom and also had the pillar bars left and right that you get with 4:3 programming. My cable box is set for 16:9 output. Upon further research I found that this movie is filmed at 2.40 aspect ratio, so I guess that accounts for the black bars on top and bottom. However, I thought since it was specifically identified as being the "Wide Version" that it would have filled my screen horizontally (same as if I was using the DVD). Guess not, eh?

As I define it, you made a PPV purchase to see Departed. AFAIK, none of the PPV channels will do HD, so they ARE SD channels. Which is why you get the side bars. They showed it in widescreen format, so that got you the bars top and bottom. The Zoom function is useful for this.

But the essential point is that none of the PPV things seem to be done in HD.

from the twc website:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

"March 29: MTV Desi, MTV Chi and MTV K will not be added as previously announced due to the discontinuance of these services by MTV; and WWOR HD will be added to channel 709 and Universal HD will be moved to channel 740."
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MHD is still going to launch in S.I. on channel 718 (March 29th)

Frak, WWOR HD is about the LAST channel I'd want. No replacement for InHD2, UnHD being moved far away from the bunching of HD channels (uh, why not move it to 715, 716, 717, 718 or 722), lose 13 World, this sucks.

This interesting, and it's about time Time Warner added some other place to find out about channel changes that is not the Weather Channel crawl!

Beyond what is listed above, I wonder if anyone noticed this on the page:

"...we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future:
Chinese Channel, Chinese Cinema, Great American Country On Demand, Greek Channel, HGTV, HITN, RTVi, The Arabic Channel, TV Polonia with Polskie Radio, and WABC."

OK -- I don't really care about any Chinese, Greek Arabic, or Polish channels.....but the last one made me do a doubletake -- WABC??????

Not again -- this seems to happen every couple of years -- Time Warner and Disney Corp get in a fight over whether they're allowed to carry the local ABC affiliate!!!!

Ugh....

i dont know when WABC might go off the air, but it might be apart of that large deal with disney. maybe we can finally get ESPN2hd and others.

Not again -- this seems to happen every couple of years -- Time Warner and Disney Corp get in a fight over whether they're allowed to carry the local ABC affiliate!!!!
Interesting timing for ABC with their franchise show, Dancing With The Stars, just starting up again.

Frak, WWOR HD is about the LAST channel I'd want. No replacement for InHD2, UnHD being moved far away from the bunching of HD channels (uh, why not move it to 715, 716, 717, 718 or 722), lose 13 World, this sucks.
I wonder if the channel numbers that you suggest are not all already "slotted"/reserved for something coming in the future?

715 I believe is slotted for the coming Spanish PBS WNET subchannel....718 is slotted for MHD....Maybe they've already slotted TMC-HD and others (for when the bandwidth opens up)? A&E HD? Just thinking about what channels TWC already has contracts for.

If/when they ever complete an ESPN2-HD deal....I'd imagine that will wind up on 726....

Just speculation....

Scott

I wonder if the channel numbers that you suggest are not all already "slotted"/reserved for something coming in the future?

715 I believe is slotted for the coming Spanish PBS WNET subchannel....718 is slotted for MHD....Maybe they've already slotted TMC-HD and others (for when the bandwidth opens up)? A&E HD? Just thinking about what channels TWC already has contracts for.

If/when they ever complete an ESPN2-HD deal....I'd imagine that will wind up on 726....

Just speculation....

Scott


The new/replacement WNET Spanish subchannel is already up (in the 800s - i think something like 812)

As I define it, you made a PPV purchase to see Departed. AFAIK, none of the PPV channels will do HD, so they ARE SD channels. Which is why you get the side bars. They showed it in widescreen format, so that got you the bars top and bottom. The Zoom function is useful for this.

But the essential point is that none of the PPV things seem to be done in HD.

Thanks _Guy...I will give the Zoom a try next time. Otherwise I don't think I will be using the PPV much anymore until they get the HD format out there. Probably shouldn't hold my breath though.... :rolleyes:

Thanks _Guy...I will give the Zoom a try next time. Otherwise I don't think I will be using the PPV much anymore until they get the HD format out there. Probably shouldn't hold my breath though.... :rolleyes:

The whole PPV system is a waste, in terms of getting any of it in HD. :mad:

Frak, WWOR HD is about the LAST channel I'd want. No replacement for InHD2, UnHD being moved far away from the bunching of HD channels (uh, why not move it to 715, 716, 717, 718 or 722), lose 13 World, this sucks.
I am with you, why place it so high? Universal is still a freebie so it should be joined with all he other freebies. But then again why is SNY 741. I guess a realignment will be happening next year. WWORHD yeah, I say with little celebrating. At least the majority of Yankee games will be in HD this year. 81 home and which ever away ones they plan in Enhanced, which really didn't look that bad. Are the Saturday games in HD?
I am shocked that SI is getting a HD station beore wide distrubution for NY/NJ TWC customers. I thought All TWC in this area had the same channels.

Did you hear that "Frak" will be added to webster? The networks are amazed that the FCC has let this word go for so long. They know it has a bad meaning.

I thought it was a smart move to put HD channels into a "series" of channel numbers. BUT, they cocked that up by adding in a bunch for SD channels breaking up the flow. Idiots.

I thought it was damn clever for the BSG guys to invent this word "frak." ALL folks swear... so here we can have folks "swearing" without using the verboten word. Which is 100% aimed at that segment of our population that gets their panties in a bunch... AND wants to legislate what I can and can't hear. Motherfrakkers the lot of them!

I thought it was a smart move to put HD channels into a "series" of channel numbers. BUT, they cocked that up by adding in a bunch for SD channels breaking up the flow. Idiots.
The only SD channels breaking up the HD channels are only subchannels of the HD channels. So the only SD channels there are subchannels of the broadcast networks -- NBC, ABC, and PBS. Sort of like OTA 4.1,4.2,4.3, etc. I guess they figured that they should keep them somewhere in the general range of their "parent" channels.

Still not an excuse. ;)

Hey does anyone know if TWC offers the National Geographic Channel in HD in manhattan?

Alos how do I change the colors of the Menu Screen???, I know it can be done b/c i did it before?

Thanks in advance.

Hey does anyone know if TWC offers the National Geographic Channel in HD in manhattan?

Alos how do I change the colors of the Menu Screen???, I know it can be done b/c i did it before?

Thanks in advance.
TWC does not offer NGC-HD in Manhattan.

There is no way to change the colors of the menu screen (or the sidebars) on the 8300-HD DVRs. I know that some non-dvr model cable boxes do allow for both of these functions.

The only SD channels breaking up the HD channels are only subchannels of the HD channels. So the only SD channels there are subchannels of the broadcast networks -- NBC, ABC, and PBS. Sort of like OTA 4.1,4.2,4.3, etc. I guess they figured that they should keep them somewhere in the general range of their "parent" channels.

Still not an excuse. ;)
That is a good catch, I didn't think of that until I read it. But they do have a lot of open spots in the lower numbers that could have been used.

Did anyone notice on their channel switches article that WABC was listed? Are we going to have a Texas moment in NYC? I hope not. That would be horrible. This isn't the city to play those "networks wants money" games. This is a big network and they get paid a lot of money to broadcast on TWC, to want more money to give us the opportunity to watch in HD and see weather when we need it. Is just crazy talk.

Well, WABC is an OTA network, so isn't TWC required to carry it?

Well, WABC is an OTA network, so isn't TWC required to carry it?
No, and it was removed once in the past (5+ years ago) during negotiations between TWC & Disney (WABC) Corp. Of course, a huge uproar ensued, with even Mayor Guliani getting involved in the fray, and things got settled after a few days of no WABC.

My guess is that TWC will need to weigh their options carefully -- a public uproar vs. monetary/contract issues with Disney....

If I recall, last time the issue was that Disney Corp wanted the Disney Channel to be on the Standard Tier, but at the time it was a paid premium (ala HBO, Showtime, etc.) Disney threatened to withhold TWC's license to carry WABC until the contract was settled! Guess who won? ;)

Scott

TWC does not offer NGC-HD in Manhattan.

There is no way to change the colors of the menu screen (or the sidebars) on the 8300-HD DVRs. I know that some non-dvr model cable boxes do allow for both of these functions.


damn man thats sucks i love those type of tv shows especially in HD. Oh yea your right I remember it was the SD cable box i changed the color on.

Is there a new HD cable box coming out anytime soon, maybe in black? silver is so 90's.

Black??? Black is just soooooo 80's.....

I vote we go back to the 70's GOLD look....except now with tarnish free coatings....

Black??? Black is just soooooo 80's.....

I vote we go back to the 70's GOLD look....except now with tarnish free coatings.... :cool: Agree, black is 80's... and I can never see anything on it because it's sooo dark.

I remember seeing the first black components back in the day thinking how cool they looked but they really are impractical especially when you get older and your eyes aren't as good. Gold sounds good to me.

Ditto.....I frequentlly use a superbright LED flashlight to "find" those pesky few buttons that
somehow never made it to the R/C (like 5.1 discrete analog input select).

And why can't they make the tiny equipment displays visible from normal viewing distances
(e.g. AV Receiver & DVD/SACD/DVD-Audio Player)
Not everything is (or should be) displayed through the HDTV....

Well, WABC is an OTA network, so isn't TWC required to carry it?

Scott explained what happened last time, but just to add a bit of background information, TWC is only required to carry some OTA channels.

Basically, an OTA channel has a choice of designating itself either as "must carry" or "can carry."

If they designate themselves as "must carry," all cable companies within their broadcast area must carry the channel, but they have to allow all cable companies to carry the channel without paying for it. That is, they can't extort extra revenue from cable companies.

If they designate themselves as "can carry," the cable companies are free to choose whether or not they carry the channel, and the channel is allowed to charge the cable company for the opportunity to carry the channel.

Generally, in a big market like NYC, the major networks designate themselves as "can carry," then extort money (and/or carriage of corporate sibling channels) from the cable companies. As the situation with WABC demonstrated, the customers don't have much tolerance for the cable company not carrying the major broadcast networks, which gives the OTA channels that people really want to see a major edge in negotiations.

Channels with less demand (I would guess that 55 and PAX fall in this category) can designate themselves as "must carry," which gets them exposure to the entire cable subscriber base without them having to give up anything to the cable companies.

In other words, the system is set up so that the cable companies can get screwed on both ends, paying for channels that should be free and being forced to carry channels people might not want to watch...
-JMP

To Continue Scott's explantion is, ABC is broadcast OTA. Cable companies have aggreements to carry all over the air channels. But That was before HD and digital to that matter. They big guys have three channels now and are want a piece of that pie more and more. So does TWC, no bodiy is innocent during these contarct's. The aggreement with ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC. Only the main TV locals, reach a non-payment aggreement. In return the mjors get commercial time and TWC or other Cable companies get commercial time in return. Some how this does even up with slight donations here and there. The on going issues was the deal was for one digital signal which might include ex: WABC, WABCDT , ABCnow, abc weather. It did not include a sperate HD signal HD. This just gets into the money phase of , where is my cut? The networks are now paying more to air the comercials because the are sending it twice. The cable componies think that should get paid for these channels that if it is making an unrelated profit. ABC will be the culprit for this battle because If I read correctly NBC Signed their aggreeement early because they knew what was coming and last time I checked the are looking to have 4 or 5 HD networks during the next year. Fox did the same thing.
Do I think it is wrong for TWC hold us out on a limb while they quable? Yes
Do I think ABC should be seeking extra for a free channel?
The Bottom line is they both want the money to somehow bled from our already bloody fingers.
As long as they are smart enough to know they have an ABC deal in place and we don't lose the station full time that it would be so bad. It might be SD for a couple of weeks but it it better then missing shows during sweeps,

I just checked up on all the HD frequencies with diagnostic mode, and here is what's currently going on...

Freq Program # Channel #
597 1 724 HDNet
597 2 723 HDNetMovies
597 3 725 ESPN-HD
597 4 ----
603 1 706 DiscoveryHD
603 2 710 TNT HD
603 3 712 MSG HD (?)
603 4 ----
633 1 741 SNY HD
633 2 ----
633 3 ----
633 4 ----
639 1 721 InHD
639 2 722 InHD2
639 3 708 YES HD (?)
639 4 ----
669 1 ----
669 2 705 WNYW HD
669 3 711 WPIX HD
669 4 WPIX-2 (TheTube) - SD
675 1 704 WNBC HD
675 2 707 WABC HD
675 3 731 NBC+ - SD
675 4 732 NBC4.4 - SD
675 15 729 WABCNow - SD
675 16 730 WABC+ - SD
681 1 702 WCBS HD
681 2 713 WNET HD
681 3 714 Kids13 - SD
681 4 715 13World - SD
693 1 703 SHO HD
693 2 701 HBO HD
693 3 HBO/Max OnDmnd Info - SD
693 4 709 UniversalHD

I just started to use a HDHomerun. Does your numbers relate to this format?

Channel: us-cable:80, us-irc:80 ---not sure what these would be
; Frequency: 561000000
; Modulation: qam256
; Program: 1
; Description: WPVIDT

88-1 2 qam256:561000000 1

This is for channel mapping. For example would Universal HD be

88-1 2(my numbers) qam256:693000000 4

Haven't been following this thread for a while...
have they enabled the HDMI output yet on the 8300 box?

If yes, are there any issues with it?

Haven't been following this thread for a while...
have they enabled the HDMI output yet on the 8300 box?

If yes, are there any issues with it?

I have been using HDMI out in Staten Island for over a year.

I haven't noticed any problems except for tv screen going black at times when I switch from different resolutions. Box needs reboot when this happens.

Other than that I haven't noticed any problems.

Same here.

I have been using the HDMI port on my 8300 and just keep the setting at 1080i for all the channels.

Over the weekend, was that the channel on frequency 639-2, that used to be INHD2 (and had some random INHD-related PPV content show up once or twice since, but was otherwise blank) has become a 2nd simulcast of TNT-HD. TNT-HD is still available on its original frequency, but now is also on this frequency as well. I wonder if they're finally prepping the channel slot for something new?

Keep your eyes peeled on this frequency.

Scott

Over the weekend, was that the channel on frequency 639-2, that used to be INHD2 (and had some random INHD-related PPV content show up once or twice since, but was otherwise blank) has become a 2nd simulcast of TNT-HD. TNT-HD is still available on its original frequency, but now is also on this frequency as well. I wonder if they're finally prepping the channel slot for something new?

Keep your eyes peeled on this frequency.

Scott

that's weird that TNT-HD was also put on that Frequency. It serves no purpose.
I will observe it over the next couple days.

I think that MY9-HD might be added either at 639-2 or 669-1.

Over the weekend, was that the channel on frequency 639-2, that used to be INHD2 (and had some random INHD-related PPV content show up once or twice since, but was otherwise blank) has become a 2nd simulcast of TNT-HD. TNT-HD is still available on its original frequency, but now is also on this frequency as well. I wonder if they're finally prepping the channel slot for something new?

Keep your eyes peeled on this frequency.

Scott

Well, there ARE quite a few of us that don't have a QAM equipped display (trust me, any upgrade set I get WILL have one), so we're certainly trusting YOU to keep us informed <g>!

The strongest rumor SEEMS to be that we're about to get MyNine (how many Sept. Yankee games will they carry in HD?). Not so sure it means anything about which QAM frequency is used, I don't think THAT tells us much of anything about available bandwidth.

..how many Sept. Yankee games will they carry in HD ...Since YES is giving us ALL Yankees games in HD this year and they produce the MY9 games, I believe it’s safe to say that MY9HD will be giving us HD Yankees games.

I think the only Yankees games that might not be in HD will be the FOX network games but I’m not sure whether or not they are finally full HD for the regular season or if they’re going to give us another year of wide screen bogus vision.

Haven't been following this thread for a while...
have they enabled the HDMI output yet on the 8300 box?

If yes, are there any issues with it?

The HDMI output works fine WHEN connected directly to an HDMI display. The problem is that the 8300 doesn't always work correctly when connected through an AV receiver and then to a display. Scientific Atlanta has provided cable providers with the necessary firmware to correct this problem, but whether they implement it is another story. I've been holding off on purchasing a new receiver until TWC corrects this problem. That, and I'm waiting for the new Denon 3808 with 4 HDMI 1.3 inputs due out in July.

Quick question...I see some of u folks that have a digital box like the 8300 from twc nyc and still unable to get MY9-HD aka WWOR HD channel. I don't blame some of u for not wanting this channel. I stop watching this channel like 2 yrs ago cuz of all the ghetto "Negroes" sitcom during primetime. Don't get me wrong but that aint my cup of tea. But I would still like to get this channel for hd baseball Yankees and mets and NY giants game.

well I bought a Samsung hd tuner and did a quick scan and was able to get these regular OTA hd channel like cbs hd, NBC hd, fox hd, ABC hd, wpix hd and pbs hd. But I wasn't not able to get WWOR HD aka MYnine hd.

I was able to get WWOR HD aka MYnine hd when I use an indoor antenna but I decided to get return the antenna and use the cable signal since it has more consistant reception (no dropout).

So my question is this, is twc purposely not giving us wworhd channel? If so why? And when are they gonna give it to us?

I don't blame some of u for not wanting this channel. I stop watching this channel like 2 yrs ago cuz of all the ghetto "Negroes" sitcom during primetime. Don't get me wrong but that aint my cup of tea.


Don't get you wrong? I think your words speak out loud and clear.

Don't get you wrong? I think your words speak out loud and clear.

Don't try to miscontruet thing here pal. I'm sure others don't like this channel cuz of the same reason but are afraid to voice it.

Not only the channel do racial profiling of blacks but the majority of the sitcoms are black like 4 out of 5 sitcoms. And those sitcoms aren't like bill cosby but are unfunny and stereotype of blacks trying to act like they live in the ghetto.

But I'm done arguing with u HDTV guy. I'll put u in my ignore list.

Back to my original questions. Any1 here able to pick up WWOR HD channel here thru the cable signal?

I don't blame some of u for not wanting this channel. I stop watching this channel like 2 yrs ago cuz of all the ghetto "Negroes" sitcom during primetime. Don't get me wrong but that aint my cup of tea.

So my question is this, is twc purposely not giving us wworhd channel? If so why? And when are they gonna give it to us?

1. whoa!

2. read back a page or 2 and you'll get your answer

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2. read back a page or 2 and you'll get your answer

Yeah I did read a page or 2 back. But still can't find my answer. U won't have the post # by any chance?

Well, there ARE quite a few of us that don't have a QAM equipped display (trust me, any upgrade set I get WILL have one), so we're certainly trusting YOU to keep us informed <g>!

The strongest rumor SEEMS to be that we're about to get MyNine (how many Sept. Yankee games will they carry in HD?). Not so sure it means anything about which QAM frequency is used, I don't think THAT tells us much of anything about available bandwidth.
Actually I don't have a QAM-enabled TV -- I tested the frequencies by going to ch. 721, hitting the Diagnostic menu, going to "tuning" menu and upping the value (I forget which one it was) from a 1 to a 2.

Back to my original questions. Any1 here able to pick up WWOR HD channel here thru the cable signal?
Simply, it's not on our system yet, but it's coming in 2 days.

See here:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

Simply, it's not on our system yet, but it's coming in 2 days.

See here:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

Thx for ur answer. I will do a rescan on my Samsung 260 box on thurs. then to see if I can pick up this channel. Will report back in a couple of days.

FYI.... UPN no longer exists.

WWOR no longer has any of that stuff you were talking about.
(but it does have the Yankees roughly once a week)

the national network that WWOR is now affiliated with in primetime is "MyNetworkTV", which has recently changed its format to a variety of shows and movies (mostly HD)

Don't try to miscontruet thing here pal. I'm sure others don't like this channel cuz of the same reason but are afraid to voice it.

Not only the channel do racial profiling of blacks but the majority of the sitcoms are black like 4 out of 5 sitcoms. And those sitcoms aren't like bill cosby but are unfunny and stereotype of blacks trying to act like they live in the ghetto.

But I'm done arguing with u HDTV guy. I'll put u in my ignore list.

Back to my original questions. Any1 here able to pick up WWOR HD channel here thru the cable signal?


No argument here... I don't see how saying "your words speak out loud and clear' is an attempt to misconstrue its meaning. I just believe your choice of words in explaining how you feel about the channel were insensitive and if you choose to ignore me so be it.

I'm getting WWOR-SD (MY9-SD)
Don't know why
on freq: 639
program number: 1

FYI.... UPN no longer exists.

WWOR no longer has any of that stuff you were talking about.
(but it does have the Yankees roughly once a week)

the national network that WWOR is now affiliated with in primetime is "MyNetworkTV", which has recently changed its format to a variety of shows and movies (mostly HD)


thx for clearing it up....yeah..i do notice now there are more diverse shows in this channel now compare back then when upn was in charge. i may give this channel a try if im able to pick it up on thurs.

I'm getting WWOR-SD (MY9-SD)
Don't know why
on freq: 639
program number: 1

maybe its actually the WNYW-HD subchannel

ok...any1 here that also have a standalone hd tuner w/ ur tv or like mine samsung 260 hd tuner. it detected 300 cable channels...but it was only able get 1-2 (CBS_HD), 1-4 (NBC_HD), 1-4 (E1_4 aka the tube), 1-5 (WNYW_DT), 1-7 (WABC_HD, 1-11 (WPIX_HD), 1-13 (WNET_HD), 1-14 (PBS_KID), 1-15 (WNET_WR AKA spanish pbs), 1-28 (WNBC_4.1 aka nbc sd), 1-29 (WNBC_we), 1-30 (WABC_SD).

then it go from 80-1, 80-3, 80-5...80-27...82-1, 82-2, etc. etc. and finally end to 131-16.

i remember going to one of the 80-1 or something it i was able to pick up the otb horse racing channel even though there wasn't any label next to the channel unlike 1-2 (cbs hd) on my channel guide.

any1 here know other channels i can get or i should try on my samsung 260 to see if i can view more hd channel? i dont want to go thru all 300 one by one until i found one.

i know if i want to get starz hd, hbo hd..i will have to pay $10 more. but right now i dont have a digital box from twc nyc...and i dont want to rent it from them. but do i have to rent it in order to get starz hd, hbo hd? or i can use my exisiting samsung hd tuner? if yes...how is my samsung able to descramble those channel then once i start paying for those premium channels?

Just went thru the HD Channel QAM frequencies....

Interestingly, Cinemax-HD actually now shows up twice... WWOR seems to have a placeholder ready to go... and INHD has been completely separated from the rest.


Starting 10/30/06 Current (3/25/07)
Freq Program # Channel # Channel #

585 45 ---- 721 InHD

597 1 724 HDNet 724 HDNet
597 2 723 HDNetMovies 723 HDNetMovies
597 3 720 Starz HD 720 Starz HD
597 4 ---- ----
603 1 706 DiscoveryHD 706 DiscoveryHD
603 2 710 TNT HD 719 Cinemax HD
603 3 712 MSG HD 712 MSG HD
603 4 ---- ----
633 1 741 SNY HD 741 SNY HD
633 2 708 YES HD 708 YES HD
633 3 725 ESPN HD 725 ESPN HD
633 4 ---- ----
639 1 721 InHD *** WWOR
639 2 722 InHD2 710 TNT HD
639 3 719 Cinemax HD 719 Cinemax HD
639 4 ---- ----
669 1 ---- ----
669 2 705 WNYW HD 705 WNYW HD
669 3 711 WPIX HD 711 WPIX HD
669 4 WPIX-2 (TheTube) WPIX-2 (TheTube)
675 1 704 WNBC HD 704 WNBC HD
675 2 707 WABC HD 707 WABC HD
675 3 731 NBC+ 731 NBC+
675 4 732 NBC4.4 732 NBC4.4
675 15 729 WABCNow 729 WABCNow
675 16 730 WABC+ 730 WABC+
681 1 702 WCBS HD 702 WCBS HD
681 2 713 WNET HD 713 WNET HD
681 3 714 Kids13 714 Kids13
681 4 715 13World 812 VMe
693 1 703 SHO HD 703 SHO HD
693 2 701 HBO HD 701 HBO HD
693 3 HBO/Max OnDmnd Info HBO/Max OnDmnd Info
693 4 709 UHD 709 UHD

Just went thru the HD Channel QAM frequencies....

Interestingly, Cinemax-HD actually now shows up twice... WWOR seems to have a placeholder ready to go... and INHD has been completely separated from the rest.


Starting 10/30/06 Current (3/25/07)
Freq Program # Channel # Channel #

585 45 ---- 721 InHD

597 1 724 HDNet 724 HDNet
597 2 723 HDNetMovies 723 HDNetMovies
597 3 720 Starz HD 720 Starz HD
597 4 ---- ----
603 1 706 DiscoveryHD 706 DiscoveryHD
603 2 710 TNT HD 719 Cinemax HD
603 3 712 MSG HD 712 MSG HD
603 4 ---- ----
633 1 741 SNY HD 741 SNY HD
633 2 708 YES HD 708 YES HD
633 3 725 ESPN HD 725 ESPN HD
633 4 ---- ----
639 1 721 InHD *** WWOR
639 2 722 InHD2 710 TNT HD
639 3 719 Cinemax HD 719 Cinemax HD
639 4 ---- ----
669 1 ---- ----
669 2 705 WNYW HD 705 WNYW HD
669 3 711 WPIX HD 711 WPIX HD
669 4 WPIX-2 (TheTube) WPIX-2 (TheTube)
675 1 704 WNBC HD 704 WNBC HD
675 2 707 WABC HD 707 WABC HD
675 3 731 NBC+ 731 NBC+
675 4 732 NBC4.4 732 NBC4.4
675 15 729 WABCNow 729 WABCNow
675 16 730 WABC+ 730 WABC+
681 1 702 WCBS HD 702 WCBS HD
681 2 713 WNET HD 713 WNET HD
681 3 714 Kids13 714 Kids13
681 4 715 13World 812 VMe
693 1 703 SHO HD 703 SHO HD
693 2 701 HBO HD 701 HBO HD
693 3 HBO/Max OnDmnd Info HBO/Max OnDmnd Info
693 4 709 UHD 709 UHD

hmmmm...ur channel go up to 700's...are u using a twc digital box? if yes...then i guess i will need to rent a box from them in order to get channel like hbo hd and other premium channe since my samsung only goes up to 131 channell? but i notice wnbc hd for u is 704 is nbc hd, 707 abc hd which is equivalent to my 1-4 and 1-7...so i guess im able to get starz hd, hbo hd w/o a digital box then?

twc just need to enable the signal for me and my samsung box will descramble it? correct?

hmmmm...ur channel go up to 700's...

their not channels, their CAM Frequencies!

their not channels, their CAM Frequencies!

so do u have a qam tuner with ur tv or u using a digital box from twc nyc? if so what channel are ur abc hd, nbc hd, pbs hd etc etc. then?

Since YES is giving us ALL Yankees games in HD this year and they produce the MY9 games, I believe it’s safe to say that MY9HD will be giving us HD Yankees games.

I think the only Yankees games that might not be in HD will be the FOX network games but I’m not sure whether or not they are finally full HD for the regular season or if they’re going to give us another year of wide screen bogus vision.

I heard that claim by YES. Maybe it's cynical, but I have a LOT of trouble believing this. ALL AWAY games on YES are going to be in HD?

Generally speaking, I have found FOX to never have a local team game NOT in HD. CBS seems to effectively always air Jets game in SD, home or away. Do NBC or ESPN have any play w/Yankee games?

Good for my buds on SI, but I am pretty pissed that it seems they will be getting A&E HD, and MHD, AND FSNY HD in the next two days. 3 HD channels we will NOT be getting in the rest of the city. Are they paying more to get 3 additional channels? I think not.

Those of us unable to get these channels should bloody well get some form of rebate!

http://www.tvpredictions.com/twsports032807.htm

Do NBC or ESPN have any play w/Yankee games? ESPN does the Sunday night Baseball. They’ve been doing them in HD for a while now.

I heard that claim by YES. Maybe it's cynical, but I have a LOT of trouble believing this. ALL AWAY games on YES are going to be in HD? I understand your feelings towards TWC but I think this is true. We will have ALL Yankees games in HD. :cool:
Except, as I said, maybe not on FOX.

http://www.yesnetwork.com/promos/YESHD/index.jsp

Fair enough, I thought they had SOME involvement. I have "pooped into" ESPN HD from time to time, my impression is the ONLY HD content is the MNF games; the only other nighttime stuff I see there is college basketball and the few times I've checked that out, it's all SD.

I understand your feelings towards TWC but I think this is true. We will have ALL Yankees games in HD. :cool:
Except, as I said, maybe not on FOX.

http://www.yesnetwork.com/promos/YESHD/index.jsp

I don't buy it. Let me add =my= cynicism to this thread, too. I read the quote from the YES promo page, and my "BS" detector tells me what they REALLY mean by this promo statement is, we'll get that "enhanced definition" crap on the road games...not *true* HD by any stretch, but better pic quality than SD. But that's basically what we got on the road games last year, ANYWAY, except for games in BOS, which WERE in true HD.

I don't buy it. Let me add =my= cynicism to this thread, too. I read the quote from the YES promo page, and my "BS" detector tells me what they REALLY mean by this promo statement is, we'll get that "enhanced definition" crap on the road games...not *true* HD by any stretch, but better pic quality than SD. But that's basically what we got on the road games last year, ANYWAY, except for games in BOS, which WERE in true HD.
Well I don't think they would make that statement if it weren't true. Last season they did road games in Toronto and Baltimore in HD, and maybe other cities that I don't remember right now. There's no reason to doubt that they aren't ready to do all road games in HD, IMO.

Good for my buds on SI, but I am pretty pissed that it seems they will be getting A&E HD, and MHD, AND FSNY HD in the next two days. 3 HD channels we will NOT be getting in the rest of the city. Are they paying more to get 3 additional channels? I think not.

Those of us unable to get these channels should bloody well get some form of rebate!

http://www.tvpredictions.com/twsports032807.htm

wow, I'm jealous. SI gets 4 HD channels and the rest of us get 1!

so do u have a qam tuner with ur tv or u using a digital box from twc nyc? if so what channel are ur abc hd, nbc hd, pbs hd etc etc. then?

I have a cam tuner in my TV, but have been using my TWC STB to acces the hidden content & pre launch content.

MTV-HD is up on 718 in diagnostic mode here in SI. I haven't heard anything about A&E-HD and FSNY-HD being added though.

MTV-HD is up on 718 in diagnostic mode here in SI. I haven't heard anything about A&E-HD and FSNY-HD being added though.
Is there any way that you can go into the diagnostic mode and under the TUNING menu, post the FREQUENCY & program number for this channel?

Thanks,
Scott

Is there any way that you can go into the diagnostic mode and under the TUNING menu, post the FREQUENCY & program number for this channel?

Thanks,
Scott

MHD was never announced for the rest of us, JUST SI.
So u probably won't find it in the city. YET

FYI... Saturday MLB on FOX will be "mostly" HD, according to FOX (which is a huge lead up from nothing previously) - assume every "top" game along with many #2 games will be HD - and the Yankees will be the top game most weeks they are on FOX....

FYI... Saturday MLB on FOX will be "mostly" HD, according to FOX (which is a huge lead up from nothing previously) - assume every "top" game along with many #2 games will be HD - and the Yankees will be the top game most weeks they are on FOX....Thanks, :cool: that’s good news, long over due. It’s about time FOX gave us regular season baseball in HD.

Speaking of FOX, off topic question, did anyone catch the NASCAR coverage this past weekend? I caught a few minutes here and there and man-oh-man-- the HD was glorious. They had HD cameras everywhere. It was like a video game.

Also, if you haven’t watched it yet, the Planet Earth documentary on Discovery HD is awesome. ;)

Is there any way that you can go into the diagnostic mode and under the TUNING menu, post the FREQUENCY & program number for this channel?

Thanks,
Scott
Freq: 579.000
Prog #: 001

Thanks, :cool: that’s good news, long over due. It’s about time FOX gave us regular season baseball in HD.


The delay was probably because the Fox tv deal with MLB was expriing at the end of last season, and FOX dind't want to make the investment in weekly HD if baseball was going to stay with them.

I have a cam tuner in my TV, but have been using my TWC STB to acces the hidden content & pre launch content.

so what channel is for u for cbs hd, nbc hd, fox hd, abc hd, wpix hd, and pbs hd? mine are 1-2,1-4,1-5,1-7, 1-11, 1-13.

Freq: 579.000
Prog #: 001

In Manhattan that's "Si-TV"

so what channel is for u for cbs hd, nbc hd, fox hd, abc hd, wpix hd, and pbs hd? mine are 1-2,1-4,1-5,1-7, 1-11, 1-13.

I don't enter channels on the TWC STB.
I enter Frequency #'s and program #'s when I put the STB in Diagnostic mode.

I believe S.I. has a enormous amount of bandwidth.

we all have both Basic & Standard cable in analog which adds up to 80 analog channels.

S.I. recently eliminated their Standard analog channels leaving just Basic cable and that adds up to roughly 40 analog channels.

I think they have enough space to add 120 Hd channels and arrange their frequencies any way they want.

I don't enter channels on the TWC STB.
I enter Frequency #'s and program #'s when I put the STB in Diagnostic mode.


why is that? why dont u use the channel number and use frequency #'s and program #'s on diagnostic mode?

why is that? why dont u use the channel number and use frequency #'s and program #'s on diagnostic mode?

no
the channel #'s automatically dispalys when you tune to the frequency #'s and program #'s


try it.

no
the channel #'s automatically dispalys when you tune to the frequency #'s and program #'s


try it.

well my samsung tuner can only tune by channel...it goes by 1-2, 1-4, 1-5 etc. i dont see anywhere where i can tune by frequencies and program #'s.

anyway..is any1 able to get wwor hd today?

it's up on 709, but my box reads it as 720p.

I thought wwor-hd was 1080i.
might be another sd feed that my STB upconverted.

ok did a quick scan on my samsung 260 hd tuner box..for std, hrc, iirc...and still can't get wworhd...wtf?

Did anyone in Staten Island get MHD?? I noticed that TWCNYC changed their website's new channel announcement for SI to getting only wwor HD like everyone else. I also noticed that TWC no longer wants to make it easy for us to access channel listings to other areas without having the zip code. It use to be you just clicked on whatever county or borough you wanted to compare yours with and it would come up and now it requires you to know the zip code.

Did anyone in Staten Island get MHD?? I noticed that TWCNYC changed their website's new channel announcement for SI to getting only wwor HD like everyone else. I also noticed that TWC no longer wants to make it easy for us to access channel listings to other areas without having the zip code. It use to be you just clicked on whatever county or borough you wanted to compare yours with and it would come up and now it requires you to know the zip code.
It was working for me in diagnostic mode last night, I won't be able to check it today until I get home from work.

Awesome!!! Mets/Cardinals Opening Night to be aired on ESPN2HD!!!! Oh wait....we don't get ESPN2HD!!! YAY TIME WARNER!!!!!

Did anyone in Staten Island get MHD?? I noticed that TWCNYC changed their website's new channel announcement for SI to getting only wwor HD like everyone else....

I noticed MHD this morning, along with WWORHD when i went looking for Action Sports. I got into such a rut watching the same old channels, i never realized there were other HD channels past 725, or at least I didn't know they were being added.

A&E is new to me also... its nice to see additions ever since INHD2 was taken away.

I am in SI btw..

I noticed MHD this morning, along with WWORHD when i went looking for Action Sports. I got into such a rut watching the same old channels, i never realized there were other HD channels past 725, or at least I didn't know they were being added.

A&E is new to me also... its nice to see additions ever since INHD2 was taken away.

I am in SI btw..

Congrats to all in SI.... Hopefully, we too will get to see those two new HD channels added to our system soon although there's probably a few other channels that many others would prefer to see before them, like NGC HD, TMC HD & ESPN2 HD but then again "beggars can't be choosy".

I've been getting nothing but 480i out of WWOR HD. MHD Looked great with the 2006 VMA's this morning. AE Works well too, CSI Was in HD, 720P. Haven't checked out FSNY Too much yet though.

Didn't I read here that 2 analog channels in NYC were recently shut down? Doesn't that mean bandwidth for 4+ HD channels?

Just checked, looked at my first series recording for UnHD... HA! It had been set for UnHD 709 and now I see it says "UnHD 740." Thank goodness it seems to work. STILL, I'd advise everyone to check their future recordings...

BTW, we might have gotten some channel called WWOR HD, and it did take the UnHD channel number over relegating a very good HD channel to the ghetto (in among a bunch of totally worthless SD channels), but we got another 480 station. It's only putting out 720 x 480 according to my TV. AND I swear it looks like bad SD, I've got tons of other SD channels that seem to have much better quality pictures.

So in NO WAY have we gotten another HD channel, all we got was a SD channel duplicated on a real HD channel's former channel number. It's all a deception. I wish I could go to Lincoln and testify about how TWC treats it's customers in other areas...

I've been getting nothing but 480i out of WWOR HD. MHD Looked great with the 2006 VMA's this morning. AE Works well too, CSI Was in HD, 720P. Haven't checked out FSNY Too much yet though.
I noticed the same issue this morning -- an SD only signal on WWOR-HD (709). Does that channel even have HD programming? And can we test it during programming that's actually supposed to be HD?

Scott

Does that channel even have HD programming? And can we test it during programming that's actually supposed to be HD?

ScottI’m looking in today’s NY Times television listings right now and they indicate whether or not a show is in HD and there is nothing listed tonight in prime time on WWOR as being in HD.

I’m looking in today’s NY Times television listings right now and they indicate whether or not a show is in HD and there is nothing listed tonight in prime time on WWOR as being in HD.
Ugh. What a waste of a (an alleged, anyway) HD channel slot. :-(

I've noticed that WWOR no longer advertises "In HD only on Optimum TV."

Now it says "The best HD in Primetime on Optimum TV" or something to that effect.

WWOR HD also has the UPN9 logo from way back (with the circle, triangle, square UPN logo.)

Ugh. What a waste of a (an alleged, anyway) HD channel slot. :-(

Agreed. UGH, what a disappointment! I'm currently "watching" (but not for long, believe me) The King of Queens. Just AWFUL, typical SD-quality crap goin' on here. Lovely. What ELSE is new?? ED for the Yankee games?? That's =my= prediction. Watch, just wait and see.

And i still don't believe even FOR A MOMENT that all Yankee road games will be on in widescreen true HD this season. I mean, doesn't that depend on what the HOME teams are showing, too?? I hope i'm WRONG about that, but i don't think i WILL be. :mad:

obviously the only HD content on WWOR-HD will be during the 8-10pm slot (just like most of the OTA networks most days... that haven't recently added local news in HD)

The important part of WWOR-HD will be the weekly Yankee game.

Unfortunately.... it seems TWCNYC (At least in manhattan) is only sending the regular channel 9 480p SD feed. (which has already been available for a few days, as mentioned on the board earlier)


Tonight - The Negotiator is supposed ot be available in HD.... I wonder when TWC realizes its sending the wrong signal....

For anyone here who has a 50 inch or so RPTV, or DLP, or just any set really, what kind of quality are you getting? For me on INHD and HDNET, even HBO and Showtime a lot of times, I'm getting all kinds of artifacts on my picture. At first I thought it might be screen door or silk screen effect, and maybe it is, but it seems worse. Those effects are usually relatively minor and only on backgrounds, it's all over the screen for me. Really bad and I don't think it's my set, it's 2 months old and I just had it professionally calibrated. And I don't get this on all channes, usually it's movies.

I wonder if getting a new box might help, I'm going to do that anyway tomorrow at 23rd St, do they still have firewire boxes, or anything newer than the SA8300 I have now?

...BTW, we might have gotten some channel called WWOR HD, and it did take the UnHD channel number over relegating a very good HD channel to the ghetto (in among a bunch of totally worthless SD channels)..So UNIHD got banished to bogeyland-- the high 7 hundreds, like it did something wrong. :eek: :rolleyes:
That’s illogical. The only other HD channel in the neighborhood is the Mets HD channel SNY. Go figure. More TW smart planning.

So UNIHD got banished to bogeyland-- the high 7 hundreds, like it did something wrong. :eek: :rolleyes:
That’s illogical. The only other HD channel in the neighborhood is the Mets HD channel SNY. Go figure. More TW smart planning.
While I do feel lucky to be getting some extra HD channels here on SI, they put A&E-HD and FSNY-HD on 746 and 748. I would love to know how they pick these numbers.

While I do feel lucky to be getting some extra HD channels here on SI, they put A&E-HD and FSNY-HD on 746 and 748. I would love to know how they pick these numbers.


It would almost make sense if they were taking the SD channels and adding a 7 in front... FSN-NY is 48.... USA is 40 (and Universal-HD supposidly may become USA-HD eventually)

A&E is 16 though.... and MTV is 20.....

They should move things around and match the HD channels with the SD ones....

While I do feel lucky to be getting some extra HD channels here on SI, they put A&E-HD and FSNY-HD on 746 and 748. I would love to know how they pick these numbers.
My guess is that they might already have the channels inbetween slotted for channels that they're expecting to put in place?

obviously the only HD content on WWOR-HD will be during the 8-10pm slot (just like most of the OTA networks most days... that haven't recently added local news in HD)

The important part of WWOR-HD will be the weekly Yankee game.

Unfortunately.... it seems TWCNYC (At least in manhattan) is only sending the regular channel 9 480p SD feed. (which has already been available for a few days, as mentioned on the board earlier)


Tonight - The Negotiator is supposed ot be available in HD.... I wonder when TWC realizes its sending the wrong signal....

BUT, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX all run their HD channel signal through professional level upscalers so they are always sent as 720p or 1080i. Look at an obviously SD commercial on any of them and on this fake HD channel, BIG difference.

My guess is that they might already have the channels inbetween slotted for channels that they're expecting to put in place?

When I first started with HD I thought they tried to keep a series of channel numbers that would represent all HD. But they decided to stick some SD channels that "broke the flow." So have 2 such "break the flow" sets of SD channels.

I see absolutely no reason for this. 701 to 750 should be totally, 100% ONLY for HD channels. The again, we now have a SD channel (709) right in the thick of it that is clearly just a SD channel, and one that has some of the worst SD signal of all the SDs.

The again, we now have a SD channel (709) right in the thick of it that is clearly just a SD channel, and one that has some of the worst SD signal of all the SDs.

It is entirely possible that WWOR only broadcasts SD during most hours and then "flips a switch" to go HD during the times when they broadcast HD content.

I have no idea if this is the case. Someone will have to check in during a time slot that is supposed to have HD content and see if it pans out....

Scott

...we now have a SD channel (709) right in the thick of it that is clearly just a SD channel, and one that has some of the worst SD signal of all the SDs.One smiley :) way to look at the "new" 709 slot is to think of it as what the old 708 slot used to be- the once in a while, only HD when the Yankees (or Nets) were playing a home game. ;)

The rest of the time it’s a useless screen.

This is what 709 will probably be relegated to- in the heat of the summer, usually on a Friday night, the American pass time, in HD. :cool:

It is entirely possible that WWOR only broadcasts SD during most hours and then "flips a switch" to go HD during the times when they broadcast HD content.

I have no idea if this is the case. Someone will have to check in during a time slot that is supposed to have HD content and see if it pans out....

Scott

FWIW, last NITE, THE NEGOTIATOR was on WWOR during prime time hours, Scott...and the pic was SD at its WORST. :(

FWIW, last NITE, THE NEGOTIATOR was on WWOR during prime time hours, Scott...and the pic was SD at its WORST. :(
Ugh. That's what I was afraid of. Does anyone on this forum have a good contact in the service dept. that we can complain to?

Maybe if we call and log a service complaint....

Ugh. That's what I was afraid of. Does anyone on this forum have a good contact in the service dept. that we can complain to?

Maybe if we call and log a service complaint....

I'll let someone else handle that one...i'm far too cynical to think there's anything we can do to change the situation. :(

I'm sure I know the answer is negative, but is there any way to see the Mets-Cards game in Manahattan in HD? This begs two questions: (1) Why can't TWC get its act togetehr and bring us ESPN2; and (2) why doesn't ESPN put the baseball openner on its main channel? Why do we get Women's college basketball and not teh Mets opener? What do you think would get higher ratings, especially in NYC?

Does anybdy care???

Any1 here in Manhattan that is able to pick up WWOR HD since 3/29/07 with their tv QAM or standalone QAM tuner instead of a time Warner digital box?

I'm sure I know the answer is negative, but is there any way to see the Mets-Cards game in Manahattan in HD? This begs two questions: (1) Why can't TWC get its act togetehr and bring us ESPN2; and (2) why doesn't ESPN put the baseball openner on its main channel? Why do we get Women's college basketball and not teh Mets opener? What do you think would get higher ratings, especially in NYC?

Does anybdy care???

It =is= pathetic, but it's just a continuing pattern of we HD viewers getting screwed. I can remember at least TWENTY occasions involving baseball, basketball, and hockey, where a game that we would NORMALLY have seen in HD was taken OFF our HD channel, and put somewhere where we (at least here in NYC) were forced to watch it in SD. Or, even worse, the REST of the nation got to watch the game in HD, while WE were blacked out of the HD feed!

Not only ESPN2 HD, but you might as well add FSNY HD to the "wish/dreamers list", a list of desirable stations that will probably not get seen on TWC for another 2 years, i bet.

I tell ya, the thing that MOST pisses me off is that they are frakking pandering to us saying they've "added an HD channel." BULLSHIT.

I just wonder if we can do ANYTHING like our brothers and sisters in Lincoln did? Not that they actually accomplished that much, but they sure as hell put TWC in the BAD spotlight. I'd love to see this splayed all over the front pages of the News and Post!

639 1 721 WWOR-HD
639 2 722 TNT-HD
639 3 719 ????-??

this spot as of last week was a second Cinemax-HD feed.
now, it's nothing.
hope it's gonna be ESPN2-HD, as I just heard it was added in TWC-SC.
And Brighthouse Network (TWC Clone) added it as well.

we will see.

It's kinda funny that they are calling it WWOR again full circle less the HD, Nothing TWC does surprises me anymore! Has anyone spoke to them if so what did they say? HD what's HD?

It's kinda funny that they are calling it WWOR again full circle less the HD, Nothing TWC does surprises me anymore! Has anyone spoke to them if so what did they say? HD what's HD?

I can't wait, to see what those Yankee games are gonna look like. I =was= predicting at BEST that they would be in ED, but now i'm really starting to wonder. :confused:

the first yankee game on my9 this year is on 3/17.
hopefully wwor-hd is fixed by then and looks like this:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/269/nyy091706as1.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nyy091706as1.jpg)

the first yankee game on my9 this year is on 3/17.
hopefully wwor-hd is fixed by then and looks like this:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/269/nyy091706as1.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nyy091706as1.jpg)

Hopefully TWC NYC pulls a rabit out of a hat and turns on ESPN2-HD in time for the Mets/Cards opener tonight! Any chance???

Hopefully TWC NYC pulls a rabit out of a hat and turns on ESPN2-HD in time for the Mets/Cards opener tonight! Any chance???

Yeah..a snowball's chance in hell. I don't think we'll see THAT happen for another 2 years. Why do i say that?? I just don't have any faith in TWC. If i could opt out for satellite, i'd probably have done so by now. :mad:

if i'm watching espn on my hd time warner box and my box is set to 1080i output what happens? i'm guessing is upconverts to 1080i. is that right?

same goes for other channels broadcasted in 1080i. what happens if my box is set to output 720p? is that good or bad? please advise.


my tv can do both 768p and 1080i natively.

if i'm watching espn on my hd time warner box and my box is set to 1080i output what happens? i'm guessing is upconverts to 1080i. is that right?

same goes for other channels broadcasted in 1080i. what happens if my box is set to output 720p? is that good or bad? please advise.


my tv can do both 768p and 1080i natively.

Correct, it upconverts to 1080i. HOWEVER, at least on -my- set, it annoyingly makes a disturbing *pop* sound when i have the box set up to access both 720p, and 1080i...AND it slows down the picture appearing on my screen when i change channels, too. NOT ideal, so i just leave the setting for 1080i only, and then things move quicker on my set, without the annoying popping sound.

I'm sure I know the answer is negative, but is there any way to see the Mets-Cards game in Manahattan in HD? This begs two questions: (1) Why can't TWC get its act togetehr and bring us ESPN2; and (2) why doesn't ESPN put the baseball openner on its main channel? Why do we get Women's college basketball and not teh Mets opener? What do you think would get higher ratings, especially in NYC?

Does anybdy care???

I care. In fact, I'm gonna be at the ESPN Zone in Times Square to watch the game there. Hopefully they'll have it up on their huge projection screens (which are HD btw) on the 2nd floor.

After the ESPN2 World Cup debacle, I have no faith in ESPN or TW to ever do anything right.

Yeah..a snowball's chance in hell. I don't think we'll see THAT happen for another 2 years. Why do i say that?? I just don't have any faith in TWC. If i could opt out for satellite, i'd probably have done so by now. :mad:

If you CAN see the bird AND can get permission to mount an antenna on a building you don't own, then you run into how much you want/need broadband. In Manhattan, I get 7Mb/s from TWC and at best 3Mb/s from Verizon DSL, AND I do NOT like to have an authentication step (PPPoE) futzing things up.

the first yankee game on my9 this year is on 3/17.
hopefully wwor-hd is fixed by then and looks like this:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/269/nyy091706as1.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nyy091706as1.jpg)

Add a +2 radius Gaussian blur in Photoshop and it might look like that!

If you CAN see the bird AND can get permission to mount an antenna on a building you don't own, then you run into how much you want/need broadband. In Manhattan, I get 7Mb/s from TWC and at best 3Mb/s from Verizon DSL, AND I do NOT like to have an authentication step (PPPoE) futzing things up.

Not to mention you're still screwed if you happen to be a Rangers fan. D* doesn't carry MSG-HD. For that reason alone I can't jump ship from TWC even if I could (to FIOS for example.)

do you guys leave your TWC cable box set at 1080i or 720p?

Which do you find works the best with espn and general hdtv watching?

Also which HD channels do yue find have the best quality?

Thanks for the feedback

do you guys leave your TWC cable box set at 1080i or 720p?

Which do you find works the best with espn and general hdtv watching?

Also which HD channels do yue find have the best quality?

Thanks for the feedback

Leave it at 1080i. There's not a TREMENDOUS difference between the two, IMO?....but i think we've been "told" that 1080i is the optimum on our screens right now.

do you guys leave your TWC cable box set at 1080i or 720p?

Which do you find works the best with espn and general hdtv watching?

Also which HD channels do yue find have the best quality?

Thanks for the feedback

I guess the best answer is which format do you think works best with your set up. There are many thoughts about which format is better but in my personal experience I have yet to truly notice much of a difference on either of my HD sets. I am guessing you are not noticing much of a difference either or you would have made up your own mind by now. Nevertheless, I made the decision a long time ago to stick with 1080i because I find that most HD channels are broadcasted in that format and since using both formats together does create a slight delay in channel changing I find it much easier to just leave it at 1080i.

I don't know, a lot of people suggest having the box output the native resolution of the channel and letting the display do any necessary conversion. That's what I do.

thanks for the adivce. i guess i wasn't sure because they do look the same to me.

Hey, have you guys seen sateliete or Fios in our area for HD. DO they really offer better picture quality then TWC HD?

Anyone else having this issue???

Since last Tuesday, Channel 705 (FOX-HD) has been coming out at 480i, not 1080i and no DD. Every show is in 4:3 480i, and no DD. I called TWC this afternoon because Nascar looked the same on SD Fox as on HD FOX. They told me that Fox is sending them the feed at 480i and there must be an issue with FOX, and that I should call them and let them know of the issue. I cannot believe this, that I am the only on in the area that watches 24, Nascar, Bones, House, American Idol. That nobody else has contacted TWC to complain of this issue. Anyone else in the area getting 1080i on this channel? All other HD channels are perfect, just this one.

Andy

Threads merged.

Can anyone explain to me why other TWC areas seem to have started getting ESPN2HD, but we have not here in NYC? Or A&E HD for that matter? What gives?

rather than all of you complaining about content on WWOR and channel number placement, why can't you appreciate the fact u have one or three more HD channels than last week. content, resolution issues with WWOR complain to them. TWC is only passing thru what is received.

rather than all of you complaining about content on WWOR and channel number placement, why can't you appreciate the fact u have one or three more HD channels than last week. content, resolution issues with WWOR complain to them. TWC is only passing thru what is received.

1. if it's a fact, TWC is allowed to carry ESPN2-HD it has to add it to the HD teir.
2. is it fair that SI, the borough with the least amount of people gets 4 HD channels as opposed to the rest? no it's not fair.
3. do we know why they have it? yeah cuz they have bandwidth.
4. cablevision and Verizon receives wwor-HD with no problem, so how is it my9's problem?
we don't even get wwor-hd on hd sets with cam tuners which should be at channel 1.9. obviously TWC is still not sending the proper digital feed.
5. I can wait till October for FSNY-HD, cuz their's only a handful of hd games in the hockey season left. I think their is not 1 hd program the whole summer on fsny.

recent hd additions
TWCSI: 3
the rest of us: o (can't count wwor, cuz it aint HD)

twcinsider, keep the info coming!

1. if it's a fact, TWC is allowed to carry ESPN2-HD it has to add it to the HD teir.
2. is it fair that SI, the borough with the least amount of people gets 4 HD channels as opposed to the rest? no it's not fair.
3. do we know why they have it? yeah cuz they have bandwidth.
4. cablevision and Verizon receives wwor-HD with no problem, so how is it my9's problem?
we don't even get wwor-hd on hd sets with cam tuners which should be at channel 1.9. obviously TWC is still not sending the proper digital feed.
5. I can wait till October for FSNY-HD, cuz their's only a handful of hd games in the hockey season left. I think their is not 1 hd program the whole summer on fsny.

recent hd additions
TWCSI: 3
the rest of us: o (can't count wwor, cuz it aint HD)


My guess has been that TWCNYC is sending the digital signal for WNYW 5.2 (which is WWOR-SD)....

It would almost make sense if they were taking the SD channels and adding a 7 in front... FSN-NY is 48.... USA is 40 (and Universal-HD supposidly may become USA-HD eventually)

A&E is 16 though.... and MTV is 20.....

They should move things around and match the HD channels with the SD ones....

i would rather UNIVERSAL HD become SCIFI HD. but thats just me.

Not only ESPN2 HD, but you might as well add FSNY HD to the "wish/dreamers list", a list of desirable stations that will probably not get seen on TWC for another 2 years, i bet.

As of Saturday FSNY HD is on Channel 748 on TWC in Staten Island.

Some history:
What is now Time Warner Cable NYC is actually the umbrella name for 6 different cable systems. Two in Manhattan, one in Brooklyn and one in northern Queens, 1 in southern Queens, and one on SI.
The one on SI has its own head end and satellite farm, with excess capacity.
That's why it's easier for SI to get their new HD channels.
Some new acquisition equipment was hoisted to the roof of the TW cable master control in Manhattan on 23rd Street ... it's hard for them to see many satellites due to the tall buildings in the area. Many cable operators and almost all broadcasters feed TW Manhattan via leased lines.

SI is getting more HD because TWC is trying to head off impending competition from FiOS. SI is pretty much wired for FiOS at this point; Verizon just has to get the permits to provide TV, and it's off to the races.

SI is getting more HD because TWC is trying to head off impending competition from FiOS. SI is pretty much wired for FiOS at this point; Verizon just has to get the permits to provide TV, and it's off to the races.
Good point, since most utility wiring in SI is above ground, it was easy for the phone company to rewire.
The city is taking its sweet time to give VZ a cable tv franchise.

Hello,

Excuse the newbie here, but I just purchased an HD set and I'm looking for HD programming options.

If I got the HD cable box from TWC, do I get the local channels in HD when available? Is YES Network available in HD at this time?

Is there a reason why you guys haven't switched to Dish service? I am currently a RR user, and I wish to stay with cable since I could get a double play package.

Any input is appreciated.

P.S. I've used the search, but I'm asking again anyway :D

Hello,

Excuse the newbie here, but I just purchased an HD set and I'm looking for HD programming options.

If I got the HD cable box from TWC, do I get the local channels in HD when available? Is YES Network available in HD at this time?

Is there a reason why you guys haven't switched to Dish service? I am currently a RR user, and I wish to stay with cable since I could get a double play package.

Any input is appreciated.

P.S. I've used the search, but I'm asking again anyway :D

Yes, all local channels are available in HD on TWC-NYC (WWOR-My9-HD was recently added, but still seems to be the SD feed - we hope this is resolved soon)

So is MSG-HD, YES-HD, and SNY-HD. (FSN-NY-HD was recently added in Staten Island).

Most of us haven't switch to Dish Network or DirecTV for many reasons - but mainly we can't put up a dish were we live....
Also - the HD quality on the satellite companies tends to suck.... and has a greater chance of missing some local HD programming (for example - MSG-HD is not on any satellite service, and wont be for the foreseeable future)

Some history:
What is now Time Warner Cable NYC is actually the umbrella name for 6 different cable systems. Two in Manhattan, one in Brooklyn and one in northern Queens, 1 in southern Queens, and one on SI.
The one on SI has its own head end and satellite farm, with excess capacity.
That's why it's easier for SI to get their new HD channels.
Some new acquisition equipment was hoisted to the roof of the TW cable master control in Manhattan on 23rd Street ... it's hard for them to see many satellites due to the tall buildings in the area. Many cable operators and almost all broadcasters feed TW Manhattan via leased lines.

pretty close...6 franchises: man north (formerly paragon), man south (formerly manhattan cable), bq (NE queens & western brooklyn), acq (western queens), quics (SE queens), and si (partnership with cox and gilbert family)

even though many operations are centralized, some functions in si system are decentralized. they've always been somewhat seperate from the man/bq systems

some manhattan based programmers and all locals have direct links to 23st

1. if it's a fact, TWC is allowed to carry ESPN2-HD it has to add it to the HD teir.
2. is it fair that SI, the borough with the least amount of people gets 4 HD channels as opposed to the rest? no it's not fair.
3. do we know why they have it? yeah cuz they have bandwidth.
4. cablevision and Verizon receives wwor-HD with no problem, so how is it my9's problem?
we don't even get wwor-hd on hd sets with cam tuners which should be at channel 1.9. obviously TWC is still not sending the proper digital feed.
5. I can wait till October for FSNY-HD, cuz their's only a handful of hd games in the hockey season left. I think their is not 1 hd program the whole summer on fsny.

recent hd additions
TWCSI: 3
the rest of us: o (can't count wwor, cuz it aint HD)

life is not fair. lineups are customized to franchise requirements (ie:manhattan has porn on leased access), channel capacity, competition, etc

is it fair some manhattannites get bulk discounts in some mdu's because of competition from rcn and SI doesn't?

there are a lot of analog boxes remaining in the manhattan systems and portions are still running at 550mhz (mostly office buildings). if tv is that important to you, then move to SI

life is not fair. lineups are customized to franchise requirements (ie:manhattan has porn on leased access), channel capacity, competition, etc

is it fair some manhattannites get bulk discounts in some mdu's because of competition from rcn and SI doesn't?

there are a lot of analog boxes remaining in the manhattan systems and portions are still running at 550mhz (mostly office buildings). if tv is that important to you, then move to SI

wow. such anger!

you really must not be a TWC customer like the rest of us.
You really sound like a TWC Suit. Are your initials B.W.?
but I still appreciate the info and facts that you bring, so keep em coming.

and no, I will not move to SI. TWC should provide pretty much the same services to all boroughs. If you were to say that comment as a true representative of TWC, your name would be plastered all over the (news TV & print).

Anyone else having this issue???

Since last Tuesday, Channel 705 (FOX-HD) has been coming out at 480i, not 1080i and no DD. Every show is in 4:3 480i, and no DD. I called TWC this afternoon because Nascar looked the same on SD Fox as on HD FOX. They told me that Fox is sending them the feed at 480i and there must be an issue with FOX, and that I should call them and let them know of the issue. I cannot believe this, that I am the only on in the area that watches 24, Nascar, Bones, House, American Idol. That nobody else has contacted TWC to complain of this issue. Anyone else in the area getting 1080i on this channel? All other HD channels are perfect, just this one.

Andy


Anyone?

Anyone?

no problem in manhattan South

ok i asked this question before...but no 1 seem to know the answer.

any1 here able to pick up wwor hd aka my9 hd channel in manhattan from their tv qam tuner or a standalone qam tuner like the samsung 260 since last thurs.?

life is not fair. lineups are customized to franchise requirements (ie:manhattan has porn on leased access), channel capacity, competition, etc

is it fair some manhattannites get bulk discounts in some mdu's because of competition from rcn and SI doesn't?

there are a lot of analog boxes remaining in the manhattan systems and portions are still running at 550mhz (mostly office buildings). if tv is that important to you, then move to SI

One would think that logic would dictate that Manhattan (center of the capital of the world), might be the place where TWC would want to showcase most of its abilities and HD content. Residents have very little choice in what service they choose (that does not seem to be a fair market to me) and it pains me to watch commercials for Comcast boasting their "Channel 1 HD PPV" offerings and we in Manhattan (where I can only assume TWC makes tons and tons of money from its customers) have to beg for espn2 hd.
It amazes me that I can live 20 minutes away from TWC's "Home to the Future" exhibit and be receiving the least amount of HD content compared to neighboring markets.
I would think that to shell out close to $200 bucks a month for cable and internet would show that Manhattan residents do consider TV very much so important and TWC should want to provide us with all they can offer.
Your comments only bolster the image that TWC holds back because its consumers have little other choice, and that saddens me to see a representative of said company to be that abrasive towards its loyal customers.
Again we do appreciate the info you provide us and please continue to do so.

One would think that logic would dictate that Manhattan (center of the capital of the world), might be the place where TWC would want to showcase most of its abilities and HD content. Residents have very little choice in what service they choose (that does not seem to be a fiar market to me) and it pains me to watch commercials for Comcast boasting their "Channel 1 HD PPV" offerings and we in Manhattan (where I can only assume TWC makes tons and tons of money from its man customers) have to beg for espn2 hd.
It amazes me that I can live 20 minutes away from TWC's "Home to the Future" exhibit and be receiving the least amount of HD content compared to neighboring markets.
I would think that to shell out close to $200 bucks a month for cable and internet would show that Manhattan residents do consider TV very much so important and TWC should want to provide us with all they can offer.
Your comments only bolster the image that TWC holds back because its consumers have little other choice, and that saddens me to see a representative of said company to be that abrasive towards its loyal customers.
Again we do appreciate the info you provide us and please continue to do so.

screw twc.. the only reason im with twc is im getting illegal premium channels plus free local ota hd channel with them. otherwise i would have left them long time ago!!

ok i asked this question before...but no 1 seem to know the answer.

any1 here able to pick up wwor hd aka my9 hd channel in manhattan from their tv qam tuner or a standalone qam tuner like the samsung 260 since last thurs.?

no, not getting it.

no, not getting it.

so we will need a twc digital box like the 8300 in order to get wwor hd then?

so we will need a twc digital box like the 8300 in order to get wwor hd then?

Nobody with TWC has the "real" WWOR-HD yet....

Perhaps when they realize they're sending a SD signal and change it, then mayb you'll see it on the QAM tuner...

ok i asked this question before...but no 1 seem to know the answer.

any1 here able to pick up wwor hd aka my9 hd channel in manhattan from their tv qam tuner or a standalone qam tuner like the samsung 260 since last thurs.?


Yes. I've picked up my9 on my tv which has an atsc/qam tuner, but it's in sd at 480i.

damn those twc money mongers!!!

quick question...does manhanttan residents only have 1 choice with cable which is twc? or they can get other cable subscription like direct tv or verizon fios? i wont want to go with direct tv cuz of the antenna.

i heard verizion fios is pretty good.

quick question...does manhanttan residents only have 1 choice with cable which is twc? or they can get other cable subscription like direct tv or verizon fios? i wont want to go with direct tv cuz of the antenna.

i heard verizion fios is pretty good.

IT'll be a few years before Fios is available in Manhattan.

And satellite is tough, thank to apartmant buildings... high rises in the way of getting a signal even if you are allowed to put up a dish in the first place...


There is also RCN... but it's only in certain buildings, and is inferior.

quick question...does manhanttan residents only have 1 choice with cable which is twc? or they can get other cable subscription like direct tv or verizon fios? i wont want to go with direct tv cuz of the antenna.

i heard verizion fios is pretty good.

No one in New york city that i know of has Verizon fios. Any one have it in New york city?? :confused:

No one in New york city that i know of has Verizon fios. Any one have it in New york city?? :confused:
All I get is commercials for Fios, but no available service.

All I get is commercials for Fios, but no available service.

I get the same :rolleyes:

Is anyone getting the Yanks game in HD right now?

other tw divisions have less must carry and peg channel requirements than nyc. nyc has over a dozen local off air plus 9-10 public ,government, educational access channels that are required by franchise. those have to be carried in analog and digital which eats up bandwith. also many services such as vod,telephony,start-over, are tested,debugged in smaller markets before rolled out to the "center of the world"

you may have few video options but in half of the twcnyc footprint (single family homes in si,queens,brooklyn) customers have option of twc and 2 satellite companies. in newer mdu's in manhattan, customers have as many as 4 options: twc,rcn,dish,direct tv.

One would think that logic would dictate that Manhattan (center of the capital of the world), might be the place where TWC would want to showcase most of its abilities and HD content. Residents have very little choice in what service they choose (that does not seem to be a fiar market to me) and it pains me to watch commercials for Comcast boasting their "Channel 1 HD PPV" offerings and we in Manhattan (where I can only assume TWC makes tons and tons of money from its man customers) have to beg for espn2 hd.
It amazes me that I can live 20 minutes away from TWC's "Home to the Future" exhibit and be receiving the least amount of HD content compared to neighboring markets.
I would think that to shell out close to $200 bucks a month for cable and internet would show that Manhattan residents do consider TV very much so important and TWC should want to provide us with all they can offer.
Your comments only bolster the image that TWC holds back because its consumers have little other choice, and that saddens me to see a representative of said company to be that abrasive towards its loyal customers.
Again we do appreciate the info you provide us and please continue to do so.

Is anyone getting the Yanks game in HD right now?
Yes, it's in HD on YES-HD (708).

You get that on the DTValue tier right? I don't need HDXtra to get YES-HD?

You get that on the DTValue tier right? I don't need HDXtra to get YES-HD?
You don't even need DTValue. Just Digital Starter is fine for YES-HD, SNY-HD and MSG-HD. I think you need DTValue to get FSNY-HD though.

I get the same :rolleyes:
Fios in NY area targeting NJ and Long Island, where they have some franchises.
Fios also in NY area without franchises touting TV, but it's actually DirecTV satellite.
Kind of bait-and-switch ... some consumer groups want VZ to become clearer on that little fact ... that a plug-ugly dish may come your way.

FWIW, the Yanks game is being totally BLACKED OUT here on ESPN HD...nothing but a blank, grey screen on that station. And =this= is what we pay to see?? How STUPID is that, to show absolutely NOTHING?! And rather than show us something of value, like maybe another baseball game, they're just showing some ESPNNEWS nonsense on the "regular" ESPN station....and that's DESPITE the listing on the on screen cable guide of today's Yankee game being on both ESPN and ESPN HD! Doesn't make any sense, yet TWC does crap like this ALL THE TIME. :mad: ~Mike

Nobody with TWC has the "real" WWOR-HD yet....

Perhaps when they realize they're sending a SD signal and change it, then mayb you'll see it on the QAM tuner...
And they'll notice it when there's a baseball game scheduled and people call to complain that the baseball game is not in HD!

you may have few video options but in half of the twcnyc footprint (single family homes in si,queens,brooklyn) customers have option of twc and 2 satellite companies. in newer mdu's in manhattan, customers have as many as 4 options: twc,rcn,dish,direct tv.
How many peoples' landlords would allow them to put a DISH or Direct TV dish on the roof? Certainly not mine.......

And they'll notice it when there's a baseball game scheduled and people call to complain that the baseball game is not in HD!

And GUARANTEED it won't be in HD. ED *maybe*, if we're "lucky". :(

How many peoples' landlords would allow them to put a DISH or Direct TV dish on the roof? Certainly not mine.......

If i wanted to start a protracted LEGAL battle, i could get my co-op board to allow it, but...i'd have to fight for it.....that's a total pain, financially and otherwise.

FWIW, the Yanks game is being totally BLACKED OUT here on ESPN HD...nothing but a blank, grey screen on that station. And =this= is what we pay to see?? How STUPID is that, to show absolutely NOTHING?! And rather than show us something of value, like maybe another baseball game, they're just showing some ESPNNEWS nonsense on the "regular" ESPN station....and that's DESPITE the listing on the on screen cable guide of today's Yankee game being on both ESPN and ESPN HD! Doesn't make any sense, yet TWC does crap like this ALL THE TIME. :mad: ~Mike
:rolleyes: This gripe comes up all of the time—I’ve whined about it too.

The main issue is with MLB and the right to broadcast a game You cannot expect to see any old game broadcast in your living room without someone paying for it—and we are not paying for it. Blame that on MLB and their contracts with the broadcasters.

The only issue to have with TW, regarding today’s situation, is that they don’t have an accurate program guide. :mad: That is the inexcusable issue we have here with TW. :cool:

The sound just cut off on YES-HD, and they switched to the SD feed. :(

Edit: Yay it's back in HD. :)

:rolleyes: This gripe comes up all of the time—I’ve whined about it too.

The main issue is with MLB and the right to broadcast a game You cannot expect to see any old game broadcast in your living room without someone paying for it—and we are not paying for it. Blame that on MLB and their contracts with the broadcasters.

The only issue to have with TW, regarding today’s situation, is that they don’t have an accurate program guide. :mad: That is the inexcusable issue we have here with TW. :cool:

Yes, you make valid points as usual Larry, but...there's just NO excuse for a blank screen on ESPN HD. We =do= pay for programming on that station, not a blank screen, contracts with MLB or no.

Don't channels like ESPN carry several games at once, just for this situation? Why didn't ESPN HD have an alternate HD game available for blacked-out viewers?

Is the infrastructure to make this possible not there for digital or HD channels as it was for SD/analog channels? As far as I remember, there was no such thing as blackouts in the analog days; you simply got different programming and the game was on a different channel.

Nobody with TWC has the "real" WWOR-HD yet....

Perhaps when they realize they're sending a SD signal and change it, then mayb you'll see it on the QAM tuner...Are you saying that WWOR is not sending the correct signal, or that TW is fumbling the signal flow? :confused:

Sorry to ask but I must have missed something along the way, :rolleyes: in between all of the important chatter regarding this new HD channel so graciously given to us during this sacred time of the year. We should be genuflecting before the kind hearted TW empire with gratitude because life is not fair and if we don’t like what we see on our tube--we should probably move to Studio City California to a broadcast booth and then we will probably be content. :cool:

..there's just NO excuse for a blank screen on ESPN HD. We =do= pay for programming on that station, not a blank screen, contracts with MLB or no. Maybe someone else will chime in and explain better than I have. :) Advertisers pay for commercial time with specific broadcast rights. If ESPN pops up a game from, let’s say Seattle, we will be seeing advertising that was paid for exclusively in Seattle. IT's free for us. In other words, we are now a lost revenue viewing audience. MLB and their partners are not going to lose available revenue.

:cool: I agree with you 100% that we are getting the shaft but that’s the way it is. There should be programming on-- that is specific to blackout situations—especially since we are paying a premium for the channel. ;)

FWIW, the Yanks game is being totally BLACKED OUT here on ESPN HD...nothing but a blank, grey screen on that station. And =this= is what we pay to see?? How STUPID is that, to show absolutely NOTHING?! And rather than show us something of value, like maybe another baseball game, they're just showing some ESPNNEWS nonsense on the "regular" ESPN station....and that's DESPITE the listing on the on screen cable guide of today's Yankee game being on both ESPN and ESPN HD! Doesn't make any sense, yet TWC does crap like this ALL THE TIME. :mad: ~Mike
It makes a lot of sense. You're in NYC. YES is the local carrier of Yankees games, and is available in HD.
ESPN's MLB coverage of local Mets or Yankees games will always be blacked out in NY, for good reason. That home coverage is always available in HD.
And don't believe channel guides. They're only as good as the info they're given, usually weeks in advance, and it gets into the TW system via another company. Sometimes they're updated and edited. Sometimes not. Thousands of channels to cover, you know. Beats the old 12-14 channels or so in the old TV Guide of 25 years ago.

It's nothing to go to war over.

The sound just cut off on YES-HD, and they switched to the SD feed. :(

Edit: Yay it's back in HD. :)

I saw that too. And i noticed while they were in SD, there wasn't the usual YES graphics or ANY graphic on either side, just thick, black bars. NOT typical for YES on YES HD. I wonder, when THAT happens, is it a TWC screwup?? Or is that coming from YES??

On a related note: this past Saturday's Ericsson Tennis on CBS HD...both Sat and Sun finals...i noticed there were no CBS graphics on both sides of the screen as i watched in (apparently) SD...just the same thick, black bars as on today's screwup on YES. Any chance the tennis WAS available somewhere in HD, and someone at TWC just forgot to throw a switch or something for us??

On a related note: this past Saturday's Ericsson Tennis on CBS HD...both Sat and Sun finals...i noticed there were no CBS graphics on both sides of the screen as i watched in (apparently) SD...just the same thick, black bars as on today's screwup on YES. Any chance the tennis WAS available somewhere in HD, and someone at TWC just forgot to throw a switch or something for us??
Don't think HD was available from the tennis matches. Didn't look like HD cameras were used weekdays as the source of SD on ESPN2 or The Tennis Channel (455). HD cameras used for both SD/HD delivery can be seen on weekday Golf Channel matches slated for weekend HD coverage, and makes SD much crisper. Got irritated at missing some of the early round Florida tennis matches and started subscribing to the sports package last week ($1.95/mo) that covers tennis, with several other minor sports channels included. Since NYC TWC carries both Versus (formerly Outdoor Life) and The Golf Channel, supposedly the new TGC/Versus HD channel should be available without special negotiations. -- John

Don't think HD was available from the tennis matches. Didn't look like HD cameras were used weekdays as the source of SD on ESPN2 or The Tennis Channel (455). HD cameras used for both SD/HD delivery can be seen on weekday Golf Channel matches slated for weekend HD coverage, and makes SD much crisper. Got irritated at missing some of the early round Florida tennis matches and started subscribing to the sports package last week ($1.95/mo) that covers tennis, with several other minor sport channels included. Since NYC TWC carries both Versus (formerly Outdoor Life) and The Golf Channel, supposedly the new TGC/Versus HD channel should be available without special negotiations. -- John

OK John, thanks for the feedback.

Maybe someone else will chime in and explain better than I have. :) Advertisers pay for commercial time with specific broadcast rights. If ESPN pops up a game from, let’s say Seattle, we will be seeing advertising that was paid for exclusively in Seattle. IT's free for us. In other words, we are now a lost revenue viewing audience. MLB and their partners are not going to lose available revenue.

Except that ESPN's deal with MLB is such that other than Sunday night games, any game that ESPN carries is being broadcast everywhere other than the markets for the teams involved in the game. So, ESPN doesn't have baseball broadcasts that are targetted at Seattle. They have broadcasts that are targetted at "everywhere but Seattle."

Now, not having ESPN2HD in time for last night's Mets game, which was an ESPN exclusive broadcast is inexcusable. A TWC CSR told me two years ago that ESPN2HD would DEFINITELY be carried by TWC-NYC in time for the start of the 2005 baseball season. It's been two years, and I was still forced to watch the Mets season opener in SD if I wanted to watch it at home, despite the fact that the game was being broadcast in HD and I have HD cable service from a carrier that promised they would carry the channel.
-JMP

Except that ESPN's deal with MLB is such that other than Sunday night games, any game that ESPN carries is being broadcast everywhere other than the markets for the teams involved in the game. So, ESPN doesn't have baseball broadcasts that are targetted at Seattle. They have broadcasts that are targetted at "everywhere but Seattle." :cool: I’m not disagreeing with your statement but I am curious to know why then, as Mike original questioned, we do not get another game instead of a blackout screen? Am I correct in my post, where even though they are not contractually obligated to provide a game, they chose not to as to not interfere with the untapped revenues?

One would think that logic would dictate that Manhattan (center of the capital of the world), might be the place where TWC would want to showcase most of its abilities and HD content. Residents have very little choice in what service they choose (that does not seem to be a fiar market to me) and it pains me to watch commercials for Comcast boasting their "Channel 1 HD PPV" offerings and we in Manhattan (where I can only assume TWC makes tons and tons of money from its man customers) have to beg for espn2 hd.
It amazes me that I can live 20 minutes away from TWC's "Home to the Future" exhibit and be receiving the least amount of HD content compared to neighboring markets.
I would think that to shell out close to $200 bucks a month for cable and internet would show that Manhattan residents do consider TV very much so important and TWC should want to provide us with all they can offer.
Your comments only bolster the image that TWC holds back because its consumers have little other choice, and that saddens me to see a representative of said company to be that abrasive towards its loyal customers.
Again we do appreciate the info you provide us and please continue to do so.

All great points... Here a couple of more - let’s not overlook the fact that NYC has the largest concentration of HD set owners who also happen to be paying the highest rates ($8.95 for an HD Extra Package with only 4 channels) in the country. Of course we should expect more - we are paying for it, aren't we!

:cool: I’m not disagreeing with your statement but I am curious to know why then, as Mike original questioned, we do not get another game instead of a blackout screen? Am I correct in my post, where even though they are not contractually obligated to provide a game, they chose not to as to not interfere with the untapped revenues?

Simple. There was no other game to show.

For games that fall under the national broadcast contracts (ESPN Sunday night and Fox Saturday afternoon), the network sets the game's start time. For all other games, the local team sets the start time, often in conjunction with their own broadcast partners. ESPN often provides national broadcasts of games all day on opening day on both ESPN and ESPN2, but they're at the mercy of the home teams as to when those games start. Today, the Yankee game was the only 1pm start, while there was one 2pm game (broadcast on ESPN2) and three 3pm games. ESPN doesn't have standing to force the teams to reschedule their games, since ESPN negotiates with the league, not the teams.

It sucks if you want to be able to tune into ESPN-HD and see a game, no matter what game it is, but in this particular case TWC was carrying every single MLB game that started at 1pm in HD, just on YES-HD rather than ESPN. Last night was another story altogether, since there was one game in all of baseball which was being broadcast in HD on ESPN2HD, which we don't get despite repeated promises from TWC.
-JMP

Simple. There was no other game to show.

For games that fall under the national broadcast contracts (ESPN Sunday night and Fox Saturday afternoon), the network sets the game's start time. For all other games, the local team sets the start time, often in conjunction with their own broadcast partners. ESPN often provides national broadcasts of games all day on opening day on both ESPN and ESPN2, but they're at the mercy of the home teams as to when those games start. Today, the Yankee game was the only 1pm start, while there was one 2pm game (broadcast on ESPN2) and three 3pm games. ESPN doesn't have standing to force the teams to reschedule their games, since ESPN negotiates with the league, not the teams.

It sucks if you want to be able to tune into ESPN-HD and see a game, no matter what game it is, but in this particular case TWC was carrying every single MLB game that started at 1pm in HD, just on YES-HD rather than ESPN. Last night was another story altogether, since there was one game in all of baseball which was being broadcast in HD on ESPN2HD, which we don't get despite repeated promises from TWC.
-JMP

And what would ESPN have showed, in the event the Yankee game had been rained out or delayed?? There used to always be a backup game.

And what would ESPN have showed, in the event the Yankee game had been rained out or delayed?? There used to always be a backup game.


On regular weeknight 7pm games - there is usually a backup/regional game (or they do "live look-ins") - but even then they can only do 1 HD game at a time.

But today they had their production crew spread all over the country doing 5 separate games.... no way to do a 2nd game.

Anyone else having this issue???

Since last Tuesday, Channel 705 (FOX-HD) has been coming out at 480i, not 1080i and no DD. Every show is in 4:3 480i, and no DD. I called TWC this afternoon because Nascar looked the same on SD Fox as on HD FOX. They told me that Fox is sending them the feed at 480i and there must be an issue with FOX, and that I should call them and let them know of the issue. I cannot believe this, that I am the only on in the area that watches 24, Nascar, Bones, House, American Idol. That nobody else has contacted TWC to complain of this issue. Anyone else in the area getting 1080i on this channel? All other HD channels are perfect, just this one.

Andy
Fox-HD is still on the cable in the Hudson Valley on channel 107-2 if using a QAM tuner. Fox -SD is on 88-4 using QAM. Using the cable box, 705 is 480i. This looks like TWC is mapping the wrong frequency for 705. In diagnostic mode 705 is frequency 609 program 4, it should be frequency 693 program 2.
Ron

So couldn't they put something on? More SportsCenter reruns, perhaps? Some sort of Baseball GameDay show?

So couldn't they put something on? More SportsCenter reruns, perhaps? Some sort of Baseball GameDay show?

On ESPN-HD - definitely no.

Anyways - it's not up to ESPN to black out the feed - its up to the cable/satellite providers

Does anybody know the freq and program number TWC used for digital TBS? Diagnostic mode on my SA3250 says freq 777.000 program 450 clear, but this is not a valid ID for my Miglia - programs dont go up that high. My Miglia tuner will not find or pull in TBS as a result. It gets all of the HD channels though.

Does anybody know the freq and program number TWC used for digital TBS? Diagnostic mode on my SA3250 says freq 777.000 program 450 clear, but this is not a valid ID for my Miglia - programs dont go up that high. My Miglia tuner will not find or pull in TBS as a result. It gets all of the HD channels though.

I have a qam tuner and TBS is somewhere around 121 or 122 on my tuner. Coincidently, I think its something like 121.450. Have you tried to manually tune through the frequencies and see if you can pick up the station that way? If not, try that. If you find the station, you should then be able to add it manually.

I have a qam tuner and TBS is somewhere around 121 or 122 on my tuner. Coincidently, I think its something like 121.450. Have you tried to manually tune through the frequencies and see if you can pick up the station that way? If not, try that. If you find the station, you should then be able to add it manually.

My QAM tuner, in manual tuning mode, requires a frequency and then it finds programs within that frquency. It picks up nothing at 777.000. Says no signal. Further, comment from Miglia was:

"777 is not a frequency. 450 is not a program number. Program numbers are 1-6, never as high as 450. Each frequency has these program numbers, so you would never see a number like 450 unless one frequency had 449 separate program streams on it, and this is really unusual bordering on the impossible.

Here's why.
To jam all of this into the 18MHz space means something's got to give. That something is the bit rate for the HD programs. Typically, that means that 6-1 may now be dropped to 14Mb/s, while 6-2 chugs along at about 2.8Mb/s, and whatever table scraps are left over go to the 6-3 (around 1.3Mb/s).

You can really only fit 6 multiplexes (program streams for one frequency) and the more that are riding on one channel, the lower the stream quality gets for the successive program streams."



This conflicts with your experience where by we seem to get program 450 on TWC.

Not that this means anything at all for us but I just read in another thread that Raleigh NC is getting ESPN2 ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10202413#post10202413

450 is not a program number

I agree that 450 is not a program number. I further agree that you cannot enter the frequency. On my qam tuner, when I press 121 followed by the "-" (dash) button, the tuner scans the frequencies or sub-channels on that channel. When it finds a viewable station, the screen shows something like "121.450." Technically, I don't know why nor care as long as I can tune to the channel or manually add it.

The same is true for some of the on demand stations. When I press 90 then "-" (dash), I get 90.101 instead of 90.1. If I manually entered 90.1 it will convert to 90.101.

My tv set is a Spectre 26 lcd with a built-in atsc/qam tuner.

I have a Samsung SIR T451 HDTV tuner box, also. The same on demand station will show up as 90.1 on that box. I believe the Spectre has a 5th generation tuner, and the Sammy is a 4th generation tuner. That may explain the difference.

The overall point is to try to manually enter the channel numbers --- 121.1, 121.2, 121.3, etc. to see if you can find channels not picked up by auto scan.

I believe 64-qam tuners can tune to channels from 1-125, and 256-qam tuners can tune to channels from 1-135. The digital stations usually begin at 80, although my Specter lists the local hd stations as 1-2 (CBS), 1-4 (NBC), 1-5 (FOXNY), 1-7 (ABC), etc. On the Sammy, CBS is 103.1 (I think).

One other thing I noticed affected my ability to pull in stations was signal strength. CBS, FOX and NET have the strongest signals (ranging from 80-85 out of 100 on my signal meter). NBC, ABC and a few other stations average between 65-75). Once I did a channel scan and could not pick up NBC, ABC and the other stations with a weaker signal. I am getting a 15db signal booster to see if that solves the problem. I have three TVs in the house and multiple STBs attached to them further splitting the signal.

Not that it should surprise anyone but I checked out the wwor hd channel a few times tonight between the 8-10 pm prime-time slot to see if the "American Heiress" show was being shown in 720p widescreen format as advertised and as expected it seems like TWC fell asleep at the switch. Did anyone else notice the same thing?

Not that it should surprise anyone but I checked out the wwor hd channel a few times tonight between the 8-10 pm prime-time slot to see if the "American Heiress" show was being shown in 720p widescreen format as advertised and as expected it seems like TWC fell asleep at the switch. Did anyone else notice the same thing?

I don't believe their is a switch. someone f'ed up.
TWC or MY9. that signal is 480i, your box upconverts it to 720p.

One other thing I noticed affected my ability to pull in stations was signal strength. CBS, FOX and NET have the strongest signals (ranging from 80-85 out of 100 on my signal meter). NBC, ABC and a few other stations average between 65-75). Once I did a channel scan and could not pick up NBC, ABC and the other stations with a weaker signal. I am getting a 15db signal booster to see if that solves the problem. I have three TVs in the house and multiple STBs attached to them further splitting the signal.

Not sure if either is significant, but two things come to mind that might be related to my issues: (1) my Miglia QAM tuner (EyeTV) identified 777.000 as channel 121, which corresponds to what TWC SA3250 HD and your experience suggest should be TBS, however, Miglia clearly says no signal there. This is true on all of the other digital clear SD channels as well. Miglia could have an issue with SD stations, at least the ones TWC broadcasts that are not sharing bandwith with HD stations. (2) The diag page identifed TBS and other stations that wont come in as Tuner 777.000 MHz 2 dBmV (or 1 dBmV), while the stations that do come in are 8-10 dBmV or above.

Is the dBmV number significant and might it affect my Miglia tuner reception?

we now have the rights to ESPN2-HD and others coming in 2008.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/tw040407.htm

My Email:
my9-hd is coming in as standard definition on TWC channel 709. is this a wwor problem or a TWC problem?
andy

Response:
Sorry for the delay. We checked with our Engineering dept. and the problem was with TW. It should be corrected as of today.

My Email:
my9-hd is coming in as standard definition on TWC channel 709. is this a wwor problem or a TWC problem?
andy

Response:
Sorry for the delay. We checked with our Engineering dept. and the problem was with TW. It should be corrected as of today.


I have been getting that channel in SD as well. Not sure where you are, in the area though. Have you checked 705 to see if it is in SD? I am in the Liberty HVC area.

Andy

My Email:
my9-hd is coming in as standard definition on TWC channel 709. is this a wwor problem or a TWC problem?
andy

Response:
Sorry for the delay. We checked with our Engineering dept. and the problem was with TW. It should be corrected as of today.


so does this mean i will be able to get wwor hd on my samsung qam tuner today? yes or no?

...and the problem was with TW. :eek: You're kidding me?!?! :D
Thanks Andy, good news. :cool:

I agree that 450 is not a program number. I further agree that you cannot enter the frequency. On my qam tuner, when I press 121 followed by the "-" (dash) button, the tuner scans the frequencies or sub-channels on that channel. When it finds a viewable station, the screen shows something like "121.450." Technically, I don't know why nor care as long as I can tune to the channel or manually add it.

The same is true for some of the on demand stations. When I press 90 then "-" (dash), I get 90.101 instead of 90.1. If I manually entered 90.1 it will convert to 90.101.

My tv set is a Spectre 26 lcd with a built-in atsc/qam tuner.

I have a Samsung SIR T451 HDTV tuner box, also. The same on demand station will show up as 90.1 on that box. I believe the Spectre has a 5th generation tuner, and the Sammy is a 4th generation tuner. That may explain the difference.

The overall point is to try to manually enter the channel numbers --- 121.1, 121.2, 121.3, etc. to see if you can find channels not picked up by auto scan.

I believe 64-qam tuners can tune to channels from 1-125, and 256-qam tuners can tune to channels from 1-135. The digital stations usually begin at 80, although my Specter lists the local hd stations as 1-2 (CBS), 1-4 (NBC), 1-5 (FOXNY), 1-7 (ABC), etc. On the Sammy, CBS is 103.1 (I think).

One other thing I noticed affected my ability to pull in stations was signal strength. CBS, FOX and NET have the strongest signals (ranging from 80-85 out of 100 on my signal meter). NBC, ABC and a few other stations average between 65-75). Once I did a channel scan and could not pick up NBC, ABC and the other stations with a weaker signal. I am getting a 15db signal booster to see if that solves the problem. I have three TVs in the house and multiple STBs attached to them further splitting the signal.

Can you measure the signal strength from the cable box? If so, how strong is INHD and HDNet? Can you get a reading in diagnostic mode?

so does this mean i will be able to get wwor hd on my samsung qam tuner today? yes or no?

i hope so

Has anyone seen commercials when tuning into one of the OnDemand channels for Entertainment OnDemand? The problem is they don't tell you what channel it is and we don't seem to have it. Does anyone know what channel its on? Its supposed to be like MTV and a bunch of other channels On Demand all combined (much like Cutting Edge on demand).

Can you measure the signal strength from the cable box? If so, how strong is INHD and HDNet? Can you get a reading in diagnostic mode?

Yes, I can get the signal strength reading from the Samsung T451 stb. The reading is in bars from 1-10. I cannot get INHD and HDNet on that box because they are scrambled.

I have the SA8300HD from TWC. I get those two channels with their HD package. I might be able to get the signal strength in diagnostic mode, but I am not sure about that since I've never tried to. Will give it a try tonight.

I don't know, a lot of people suggest having the box output the native resolution of the channel and letting the display do any necessary conversion. That's what I do.

I do this also, although for a factor most don't think about. My display is a 1366 x 768 one, so ANY signal has to get scaled by the TV. If I set the 8300 to output 1920 x 1080, on 1280 x 720 broadcasts, it gets scaled twice, once by the cable box, then again by the TV.

Has anyone seen commercials when tuning into one of the OnDemand channels for Entertainment OnDemand? The problem is they don't tell you what channel it is and we don't seem to have it. Does anyone know what channel its on? Its supposed to be like MTV and a bunch of other channels On Demand all combined (much like Cutting Edge on demand).
They are all the "Free" On Demand channels, and they start at 1000. You need DTValue to get them. There are about 20 or so On Demand channels up there, only a couple of them are PPV.

I do this also, although for a factor most don't think about. My display is a 1366 x 768 one, so ANY signal has to get scaled by the TV. If I set the 8300 to output 1920 x 1080, on 1280 x 720 broadcasts, it gets scaled twice, once by the cable box, then again by the TV.

How do you set the 8300 to output a specific resolution? I only have options for 1080i,720p etc.

bingolong, I'll try on my box too. How do you get into diag mode again? Press and hold something, I remember.

How many peoples' landlords would allow them to put a DISH or Direct TV dish on the roof? Certainly not mine.......

There may be one or two MDUs that CAN have those options, but for most of manhattan that's total BS. RCN froze in place 4 years ago or so. I've seen some Direct dishes but NEVER a Dish one. Up by me, no RCN, no OTA, no Dish (blocked by buildings) and maybe Direct IF I can get away from installing the dish, but that WOULD be problematic. Not to mention that with Direct, I'd HAVE to go OTA (I see them touting certain areas where they are delivering SOME local stations, but could NOT find what the story is with NY, so have to assume no locals in HD through Direct), and I do NOT get any OTA PLUS I'd also have to step down from my 7 Mb RR to 3 Mb DSL.

My Email:
my9-hd is coming in as standard definition on TWC channel 709. is this a wwor problem or a TWC problem?
andy

Response:
Sorry for the delay. We checked with our Engineering dept. and the problem was with TW. It should be corrected as of today.

Can confirm that 709 is now broadcasting 720p. So far, with the few times I check them, it seems they are NOT falling into TNT's Stretch-O-Vision. Then again, they probably aren't paying license fees to TNT to for the rights to do it!

I do this also, although for a factor most don't think about. My display is a 1366 x 768 one, so ANY signal has to get scaled by the TV. If I set the 8300 to output 1920 x 1080, on 1280 x 720 broadcasts, it gets scaled twice, once by the cable box, then again by the TV.

Does that result in a major lag time, between when you change channels, and the new channel actually appears on your screen??

bingolong, I'll try on my box too. How do you get into diag mode again? Press and hold something, I remember.

I think it's -- Select + Info -- on the front panel of the stb

From the "Hot Off the Press!" Column:

The Business of Television
Time Warner Inks Disney Deal
By Mike Reynolds MultiChannel News 4/4/2007

Time Warner Cable and Disney reached a comprehensive multiyear distribution agreement that will extend retransmission consent for the ABC-owned broadcast television stations carried in Time Warner Cable markets, while continuing to afford distribution for varied cable networks, including a host of ESPN services, Disney Channel and ABC Family.

The pact, terms of which were not disclosed, also calls for Time Warner to launch college network ESPNU and ESPN2 HD.

Moreover, the parties announced that select systems will carry Disney Channel on Demand and ESPN Deportes.

Additionally, a trio of new HD services -- ABC Family HD, Disney Channel HD and ESPNEWS HD -- will be positioned on the operator’s systems when the networks bow next year.

Another element of the agreement will push various Disney fare to Time Warner’s Start Over platform, which enables some of its digital-cable subscribers to restart certain live in-progress programming without preplanning or the aid of recording devices. The Disney networks will also provide content, ranging from 2-10 minutes, to Time Warner’s Quick Clips platform.

Almost seven years ago, Time Warner and Disney were engaged in a nasty, high-profile retransmission fight when the operator pulled the signals for ABC stations reaching some 3.5 million of its customers in New York; Los Angeles; Houston; Fresno, Calif.; and Toledo, Ohio. The stations were off the air for 39 hours during the sweeps period of May 1 and 2, 2000 -- a move that sparked a furor and a reprimand from the Federal Communications Commission.

In announcing the deal, Anne Sweeney, president of Disney-ABC Television Group, said in a prepared statement: “This milestone agreement combines Disney’s world-renowned brands with Time Warner Cable’s outstanding distribution platforms throughout the country.”

George Bodenheimer, president of ESPN and ABC Sports, added, “Together, The Walt Disney Co. and Time Warner Cable will provide leading sports, family, news and entertainment content for a fantastic and diverse consumer experience.”

Glenn Britt, CEO of Time Warner Cable, noted in a prepared statement: “This agreement will give our customers access to an even wider array of sports and high-definition programming. It will also allow us to expand our Start Over and Quick Clips services. Start Over has proven to be one of the most attractive advanced video features we’ve ever offered.”

http://www.multichannel.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&articleid=CA6430686

Can confirm that 709 is now broadcasting 720p. So far, with the few times I check them, it seems they are NOT falling into TNT's Stretch-O-Vision. Then again, they probably aren't paying license fees to TNT to for the rights to do it!

WWOR-HD 709 is just like WPIX-HD 711.

HD content for ~2 hours a day between 8 and 10, along with an occasional baseball game.

Don't expect anything else.

All,

Just got home and 705 is now running Seinfeld in 720P :)


Greasy wheel....

yup...got wwor hd...and i didnt have to rescan...it is on 93-1 on my samsung 260 hd tuner. and oh yeah..i was able to pick up another hd channel for free!!! yes!!!

When watching TWC HD channels, some channels display black bars to create i believe is a 4:3 TV image. When that happens does that mean I am watching 480i or 480p or something else. And why is this happening when i pay good money for HD channels. Please explain.

Also, is HBO on demand broadcasted in 480p?

Anyone able to get YES Network on QAM? Or is it scrambled?

vincentnyc, which other channel did you pick up?

When watching TWC HD channels, some channels display black bars to create i believe is a 4:3 TV image. When that happens does that mean I am watching 480i or 480p or something else. And why is this happening when i pay good money for HD channels. Please explain.

Also, is HBO on demand broadcasted in 480p?


Not all content is 16:9 HD 24/7 on most of the HD channels.

-The locals (WCBS, WNBC, WNYW, WABC, WWOR, WPIX) usually only have HD content during prime time (not all shows....), sporting events, and some of the news broadcasts. Some commercials are in hD.... and everything else will be "upconverted" 4:3 SD.

-YES, MSG, and SNY basically only show sporting events in HD (along with a few other shows).

(You don't actually pay for any of these channels.)


-TNT is also 16:9 all the time, and has lots of HD shows, sports, and movies, but often shows SD content in "stretch-o-vision".

-HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, and Starz HD will mostly be 16:9 HD when showing movies (but still may contain 4:3 SD content occasionally)

-Discovery HD, InHD, HDNet, HDNet Movies are supposed to be HD 24/7. (the final 3 are the ones you actually pay for)

-ESPN is 16:9 all the time - with either HD content or SD with "ESPN" pillarbars

The only channels you actually pay extra for are the movie premiums, InHD, HDNet HDNet Movies, and ESPNHD

When watching TWC HD channels, some channels display black bars to create i believe is a 4:3 TV image. When that happens does that mean I am watching 480i or 480p or something else. And why is this happening when i pay good money for HD channels. Please explain.

Also, is HBO on demand broadcasted in 480p?
Just to add to berks comment, not all movies on HBO, max, starz, and showtime are shown in HD on their HD channels. The best way to confirm if you they are being broadcast in HD is to check the channel guide. If it says HDTV in the description, that is what it is, but it has to say it or you are just getting a SD movie on a HD channel. The broadcast will look better then it's sisters SD channel but it will not be in HD.

These are the only full time HDTV channels: Discovery HD, InHD, HDNet, HDNet & Universal HD

TNTHD is a question mark, They broadcast in HD 1080i full time but do they really get the tru upconversion or as they say the stretch-O-vision treatment. I have seen the stretch look sometimes but that only happen when the TV or cable box leaves the channel at 480p. At least in my house that is what happens. Once corrected I don't see any stretch at all, but that is up to the eye of the viewer.

All channels other than the HD channels are broadcast in 480i. Your TV will output it at 480p, so the answer is yes and no. OnDemand is broadcasting in 480 i but your TV converts it to 480p.

i would rather UNIVERSAL HD become SCIFI HD. but thats just me.

It is almost there, it has four of Sci-fi shows already, Surface, BSG one season behind, SG-Atlantis and firefly. But I think in due time the other networks will come around and have a HD channels but the only problem is content. None of these networks we crave Sci-fi, USA & TBS have many new shows to devote a full time HD network. This is where an Universal HD makes for good tv. It is able to show Shows from at least five networks(NBC, USA, SCI-FI, Bravo, and any other unversal produced show shown on another network, ie HOUSE). UniversalHD is still new and getting it's wings but buy now showing BSG, SG Atlantis and Firefly, better shows from their family will be sure to follow which might lead to a universal HD2. Just think of the variety that is out there now over the Universal NBC family.
Monk
Psych
BSG season 4 & 5
ghost hunters
L&O CI
Dresden files
Heroes
the 4400
The Dead Zone
Queer guy for the, ok I am kidding with this one.
just to name a few.
Once these stations start paving thre way and creating more, more will be offered. Once it is offered the cable companies will look more at their misfits the HDers and get us more options. We are still in the HD infancy ok maybe toddler stage, but we need another 2-3 years before the big bang and these threads will be down to just complaining about quality of channels or where is the new s@#$? everything seems to be repeats. CBS and Fox would be big if they created their own parent HD channel, who's to say it isn't in the works?

FWIW, the Yanks game is being totally BLACKED OUT here on ESPN HD...nothing but a blank, grey screen on that station. And =this= is what we pay to see?? How STUPID is that, to show absolutely NOTHING?! And rather than show us something of value, like maybe another baseball game, they're just showing some ESPNNEWS nonsense on the "regular" ESPN station....and that's DESPITE the listing on the on screen cable guide of today's Yankee game being on both ESPN and ESPN HD! Doesn't make any sense, yet TWC does crap like this ALL THE TIME. :mad: ~Mike
but wasn't the game on yeshd? I was not home so did not have access to YesHD. I understand they should give us something more gratifying then a ESPNews similcast, but was there another regional game at that time? Baseball rules are their rules, hate MLB befoe TWC, they have enough things to be blamed for but this isn't one of them. However this isn't the only sport to do such a thing. The Nets and Knicks use to do the same thing with a blackout channel when they played each other only the home team had rights to broadcast the game. This changed last year probably because the Nets were getting better and the Knicks were the Knicks, but to their surprised(the suit) the Knicks station still had a better viewing audience.

we now have the rights to ESPN2-HD and others coming in 2008.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/tw040407.htm

ESPNews in HD could there be a bigger waste of bandwith, a news channel, come on guys I really hope you aren't happy of this future addition. however, ESPN2, it will be about time when it arrives. What are we going to see other then 2 heads in HD all the time? with some clips in HD? I rather get anything else available in HD before this. AbcfamilyHd is just another TNTHD or maybe it will look as nice as NGHD and A&E HD are rumored to be. At least ABC family has a few new shows and movies every year. But the outlinning good news from this article is that other companies are getting on the bandwagon and at least offering the HD access. The more choices the better chance for expansion. We will get "Chiller" channel in SD before we get over 25 HD channels and that is because of content available. I guess ABC/Disney is trying to make their corporate broadcast family the first to be able to say, "Our family is available in full HD 24/7 on all our networks" That would sting the other networks.

but wasn't the game on yeshd? I was not home so did not have access to YesHD. I understand they should give us something more gratifying then a ESPNews similcast, but was there another regional game at that time? Baseball rules are their rules, hate MLB befoe TWC, they have enough things to be blamed for but this isn't one of them. However this isn't the only sport to do such a thing.

The ESPN blackout was normal, since the game was on YES.

And ESPN cannot provide a 2nd regional feed on their HD channel currently. They lost that ability as soon as they started ESPN2HD.

They do still sometimes have a 2nd regional game on weeknights on their SD channel, but from a cost perspective it usually doesn't make much sense - since the few markets that would get that 2nd game will be watching their normal game on their RSN.

As I said before - they were already doing 5 games opening day....

And like you said.... this is all MLB-ESPN TV contract rules. TWC has absolutely nothing to do with it.

The Nets and Knicks use to do the same thing with a blackout channel when they played each other only the home team had rights to broadcast the game. This changed last year probably because the Nets were getting better and the Knicks were the Knicks, but to their surprised(the suit) the Knicks station still had a better viewing audience.

... Actually... that was something else completely...

For about a 5 year span around the turn of the century, when all the local teams were still on FSNY and MSG, Jim Dolan/Cablevision decided to cut corners whenever possible, and only had one broadcast (the home team).... so when the Islanders/Devils/Ranges had a game, or Knicks played the Nets - thats what happened. (Wasn't an issue with Yankees vs Mets since at least 1 of the 2 broadcasts ended up OTA when the game wasn't national)

This ended around the same time they stopped putting games exclusively on MSG Metro (which was one the most annoying thing ever done by Jim Dolan - since the games on those channels were not availabale anywhere on satellite... they weren't considered MSG2 or FSNY2)

The Nets have been on YES for a few years already - so there have been 2 broadcasts for knicks/nets games for a while

ESPNews in HD could there be a bigger waste of bandwith, a news channel, come on guys I really hope you aren't happy of this future addition. however, ESPN2, it will be about time when it arrives. What are we going to see other then 2 heads in HD all the time? with some clips in HD? I rather get anything else available in HD before this.


It's still over a year away - by then much more capacity is expected.

And ESPNNews is well over 75% highlights - very little time showing the actual people.

And expanding to a 16:9 image allows them to make use of the screen and show more up-to-the-minute stats... If they are considering that....

They are all the "Free" On Demand channels, and they start at 1000. You need DTValue to get them. There are about 20 or so On Demand channels up there, only a couple of them are PPV.

Yes I know I get them. I was asking about Entertainment On Demand since this one doesn't appear.

but wasn't the game on yeshd? I was not home so did not have access to YesHD. I understand they should give us something more gratifying then a ESPNews similcast, but was there another regional game at that time? Baseball rules are their rules, hate MLB befoe TWC, they have enough things to be blamed for but this isn't one of them. However this isn't the only sport to do such a thing. The Nets and Knicks use to do the same thing with a blackout channel when they played each other only the home team had rights to broadcast the game. This changed last year probably because the Nets were getting better and the Knicks were the Knicks, but to their surprised(the suit) the Knicks station still had a better viewing audience.

Correct, nutty, the Yanks game was definitely on YES HD, but that wasn't my point. The point was, we should have gotten SOMETHING to watch, =in= HD, on ESPN HD at that time, NOT a blank screen. Not at the prices we pay overall, for this service. And not in a market the size of NYC. And it seems to happen a LOT, and i'm not just referring to Yankees baseball, either.

Not all content is 16:9 HD 24/7 on most of the HD channels.

-The locals (WCBS, WNBC, WNYW, WABC, WWOR, WPIX) usually only have HD content during prime time (not all shows....), sporting events, and some of the news broadcasts. Some commercials are in hD.... and everything else will be "upconverted" 4:3 SD.

-YES, MSG, and SNY basically only show sporting events in HD (along with a few other shows).

(You don't actually pay for any of these channels.)


-TNT is also 16:9 all the time, and has lots of HD shows, sports, and movies, but often shows SD content in "stretch-o-vision".

-HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, and Starz HD will mostly be 16:9 HD when showing movies (but still may contain 4:3 SD content occasionally)

-Discovery HD, InHD, HDNet, HDNet Movies are supposed to be HD 24/7. (the final 3 are the ones you actually pay for)

-ESPN is 16:9 all the time - with either HD content or SD with "ESPN" pillarbars

The only channels you actually pay extra for are the movie premiums, InHD, HDNet HDNet Movies, and ESPNHD

what do mean u dont pay for any of these channels? msg, yes hd, sny? it comes with digital starter pak value which cost about $50/month.

and if u want hbo hd, cinemax hd, starz hd, those are premium and u have to pay additional $10/month for each of them.

But for me I'm able to get all the local OTA hd channel and then some free w/ my Samsung qam tune and twc basic subscription for only $12/month.

What kind of picture is everyone getting on SNY games? Mine looks pretty bad even for SD.

if i'm getting black bars while watching hd cannels am i watching SD or 480p?
what is the resolution of SD anyway?
is standard def on all other channels besides the HD channels because i heard that HBO and HBO on demand are 480p. Is that so?

Thanks for the help.

Now that a deal has been struck, does anyone know when Extra Innings games are going to show up on TWC NYC and what channels they will be on?

Now that a deal has been struck, does anyone know when Extra Innings games are going to show up on TWC NYC and what channels they will be on?

the NHL Center ICE channels will switch over to MLB

what do mean u dont pay for any of these channels? msg, yes hd, sny? it comes with digital starter pak value which cost about $50/month.



You don't pay "extra" for those HD channels.

if i'm getting black bars while watching hd cannels am i watching SD or 480p?
what is the resolution of SD anyway?
is standard def on all other channels besides the HD channels because i heard that HBO and HBO on demand are 480p. Is that so?

Thanks for the help.

SD is 480p

When you see black bars on HD channels - the content is SD, but being upconverted to whatever the channel can normally show in HD (picture will be no different than SD, but the box will think otherwise)

Correct, nutty, the Yanks game was definitely on YES HD, but that wasn't my point. The point was, we should have gotten SOMETHING to watch, =in= HD, on ESPN HD at that time, NOT a blank screen. Not at the prices we pay overall, for this service. And not in a market the size of NYC. And it seems to happen a LOT, and i'm not just referring to Yankees baseball, either.


It's amazing how people complain, as if it is so simple......


I'm sure ratings obviously show that very very few people will watch ESPN alternate programming while the Yankees or Mets (or any NY team) are playing on a local RSN (and ESPN is showing ANYTHING else).
That number must go down even more in just about any other city with 1 team in a particular sport being shown.

So why would ESPN spend a lot of money for alternate HD content (they used to be able to have that before converting their 2nd feed to ESPN2HD, as I said before).

Certain things just dont make sense to invest in.

The schedule is up on 441, but no game. I called TWC and was told games would begin either tonight or tomorrow afternoon. No pricing available yet. Free preview until Sunday.
Jim Coffey

so if i'm watching NBCHD and the show is in SD, is the picture giong to be same as the same show on regular NBC?

so if i'm watching NBCHD and the show is in SD, is the picture giong to be same as the same show on regular NBC?


Well.. the source is the same... it may be a bit better since you'll see the full SD image (even the SD channels can be compressed a bit).

I still like to watch Knicks and Rangers road SD games on MSGHD since the picture/sound comes thru as good as you would expect from a SD channel (which is slightly better than what end up seeing the the regular MSG)

so if i'm watching NBCHD and the show is in SD, is the picture giong to be same as the same show on regular NBC?
WNBC-DT's upconversion of 480i-sourced material to 1080i, using professional hardware, often makes it look much better. Also, if the 480i source isn't OTA analog or composite video (NTSC), which is heavily filtered with the luma (brightness) and colors jumbled together, PQ can be much better. Signal routing within NBC that avoids NTSC use could prevent the problems of analog composite video. It's easy to compare SD versus upconverted-1080i PQ by switching between NBC's (or other's) HD and SD channels for 480i-only-sourced broadcasts. A third option is watching WNBC as an analog SD signal, using a NTSC tuner with a direct cable connection (or a analog cable STB); some CRTs keep it in analog form but fixed-pixel displays, or CRT models converting 480i to 480p etc., digitize signals. -- John

Why is SNY broadcasting almost everything in 16:9 Hd but when mets games start it looks like SD.

Why is SNY broadcasting almost everything in 16:9 Hd but when mets games start it looks like SD.

Away games. All home games are in HD, but only selected (I'm sure somebody else on the forum has the list) away games will be in HD.

I have a question about verizon fios. Where is it available right now and is it better then time warner service because I see it has a few more channels that I would like to have at this moment. Any info would be appreciated right now.

P.s. thanks big

I have a question about verizon fios. Where is it available right now and is it better then time warner service because I see it has a few more channels that I would like to have at this moment. Any info would be appreciated right now.

P.s. thanks bigCan’t offer any specific answers to your question maybe someone else here will chime in but in the meantime you might want to post on this thread too.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=656287

This is not specifically related to TWC but, I've just sent an email to SNY requesting more away games in HD. Please do the same. Supposedly we get "select" away games, I don't remember any from last year except a couple of Yankee games.

Last night I switched after the game was over I switched to YES, which had a replay of the Yanks opening day (I was hoping they would lose in the replay); they have all games in HD this year.

The Mets deserve to have this too.

Yes I know I get them. I was asking about Entertainment On Demand since this one doesn't appear.
Entertainment On Demand is channel 1005.

This is not specifically related to TWC but, I've just sent an email to SNY requesting more away games in HD. Please do the same. Supposedly we get "select" away games, I don't remember any from last year except a couple of Yankee games.

Last night I switched after the game was over I switched to YES, which had a replay of the Yanks opening day (I was hoping they would lose in the replay); they have all games in HD this year.

The Mets deserve to have this too.

Well it doesn't come cheap...

And YES has been on a bit longer - so they've had a chance to build up more revenue to make the investment and start full road HD this season.

I'm sure SNY will do more road games in HD as soon as they can properly budget it.

Anyone able to get YES Network on QAM? Or is it scrambled?

vincentnyc, which other channel did you pick up?


I used to get YES-HD back in the day, but I think its encyrpted now. Would love it if they broadcast it in the clear since it's not on a premium tier as far as I know.

I'm guessing he picked up TNT-HD on 93.2 - did a rescan today and picked that up along with MY9-HD on 93.1.

Along the same topic - does anyone have a current list of where the PPV and On-Demand channels are? I've been picking them up on 83-,84-, and 85- but I'm sure there must be others now.