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Riverside_Guy

09-26-07, 09:54 AM

Come on River keep the faith, we still have 6 full days.
I can see the press release already:

TWC cares, millions of the American Pastime fans were saved today when TWC anounced that effective Oct 1st every Time Warner Cable system within the continental USA will be broadcasting TBSHD, TBSHD won the contract to broadcast the 1st and 2nd round of the MLB playoffs. TWC did not have TBSHD in major cities like Los Angeles, Chcago and NYC all of which will have a team playing for the World Series championship. NYC would have had the largest unhappy fan base because they have both of their teams heading to the playoffs. TWC subscirbers in NYC have been one of the most fortunate, the majority of both teams games were broadcast in High Definition this year.
TWC rep, "We just wanted to make sure we make our MLB fans happy by giving them the plyoffs in HD so we advanced out plans for TBDHD to accommodate these fans."

I can't wait for this letter, or News report. I still have my fingers crossed.

Oh nutty, that's a GREAT press release!

So great that it couldn't EVER happen in the TWC universe.

Unless Bruney & Ramirez continue to pitch... and the Jankees miss the playoffs entirely!

nuttyinnyc

09-26-07, 10:08 AM

Will it still power on with the remote? How much savings are we talking about, if you do that and set the computer to hybernate?
See what we started Scott! Saving NYC one person at a time. Now we have people interested in doing the right thing.
Mike, If you plug in the TV into the STB the same remote you were using before will start the TV.
The savings would be min if you only do minimal things. Turning off the strip like Mike stated before is a good start. I think hybernate still keeps the power on. It would need to be off to really be off.
There are many things in the house that still consume power when off. These are the items that kills our bills.

nuttyinnyc

09-26-07, 10:16 AM

Oh nutty, that's a GREAT press release!

So great that it couldn't EVER happen in the TWC universe.

Unless Bruney & Ramirez continue to pitch... and the Jankees miss the playoffs entirely!
Thanks, don't you wish I worked for them! :):p;) Well I guess the Jankees missing them would be a hard sell. The Muts might have the bigger uphill battle. Both seem to be having bullpen issues, but at least the Yankees have a the bullpen set for for the post season and won't include last night's comedians.

LL3HD

09-26-07, 10:53 AM

I sent Melinda.Witmer@twcable.com another email about adding TBS-HD.

I will be very annoyed if I have to watch the playoffs in crappy 4:3 standard def. Especially after watching it in HD for the past several years.
Why the hell should she give a crap? Assuming that she’s a baseball fan, the last I read, she still doesn’t even own an HDTV. So 4X3 is the norm in her television viewing world. Pretty ironic that TW would have a person in that position with little interest in HD and no manners regarding her lack of response to emails.

nuttyinnyc

09-26-07, 11:19 AM

Why the hell should she give a crap? Assuming that she’s a baseball fan, the last I read, she still doesn’t even own an HDTV. So 4X3 is the norm in her television viewing world. Pretty ironic that TW would have a person in that position with little interest in HD and no manners regarding her lack of response to emails.
That is true, i did read that she didn't have a 4x3 TV set. That is horrible, why wouldn't she make the upgrade? But then again with some of the complaints I read here, why would she hurry to get it? :rolleyes::p

However, about her manners. Why would you say that? How do you know how the e-mails are worded? It could be rude and harrassing. Not professional and courteous.
Not only that, she is a SeniorVP. Why would you think she would respond to you everyone directly? She may have received and sent a few e-mails but that is after it goes through a extreme review process. She probably has a line of interns that are assigned to determine which are acceptable and not acceptable, then she decides which to answer.

Plus I still stand by what I said earlier that there is a junk file that you have to becareful not to be added to or your e-mail address is OUT.

LL3HD

09-26-07, 11:32 AM

Why would you say that? How do you know how the e-mails are worded? It could be rude and harrassing. Not professional and courteous.
Not only that, she is a SeniorVP. Why would you think she would respond to you everyone directly? She may have received and sent a few e-mails but that is after it goes through a extreme review process. She probably has a line of interns that are assigned to determine which are acceptable and not acceptable, then she decides which to answer.

Plus I still stand by what I said earlier that there is a junk file that you have to becareful not to be added to or your e-mail address is OUT.I’m not talking about my own personal emails to her (that I made sure were professional and cordial). I’m referring to any emails by the tons of posters on this thread and all of the other TW info threads that have emailed her. I’m sure that we’d have heard about a response.

This TBSHD situation is going to explode in a few days. I already posted that I’m confident (with absolutely no facts) that we will have it but boy oh boy, as we get closer… :rolleyes:

I know so many huge baseball fans that have been enjoying HD this season, some for the first time, that have no clue whatsoever the post season is going to be on TBS.:rolleyes:

nuttyinnyc

09-26-07, 11:56 AM

This TBSHD situation is going to explode in a few days. I already posted that I’m confident (with absolutely no facts) that we will have it but boy oh boy, as we get closer… :rolleyes:

I know so many huge baseball fans that have been enjoying HD this season, some for the first time, that have no clue whatsoever the post season is going to be on TBS.:rolleyes:

I am with you, I believe we will have a good awakening on Post Season morning-day. Surprise 708 isn't YESHD anymore!!!! It is Christmas in October! I think it is hard to be a baseball fan and not know that TBS is carrying the games. you might not know that they are carrying the 1st and 2nd rds, but to not know at all is tough to believe. ESPN is the only cable network that refused to air promo's other then that the ad's are everywhere.

nuttyinnyc

09-26-07, 12:05 PM

bahill

09-26-07, 12:21 PM

I sent another, very cordial, email to Ms. Witmer today. Different email address, so if my old one was 'banned', maybe this one gets through :)

AndyHDTV

09-26-07, 01:35 PM

this is the guy that has the power to flip the switch in NYC!!!
try sending the same email to him.

Bob Watson

VP Programming & New Business Development

Time Warner Cable of NY & NJ

120 East 23rd Street

New York, NY 10010

212-598-7363 | Fax: 212-364-9810

Email: bob.watson@twcable.com

bahill

09-26-07, 01:52 PM

Ok, here's what I sent:

Dear Mr. Watson,

I am happy thus far with my newly acquired HD service from TWC (I was a DirecTV customer prior). However, I am deeply concerned with the lack of communication, and apparent lack of concern for your customers, in one of the largest markets in the world.

TBS-HD is now available for distribution, and the 1st rounds of the MLB Playoffs will be exclusively covered on TBS-HD, as I'm sure you are aware.

The Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox will all likely make the playoffs, and the NY/NJ market is flush with fans of all 3 teams (more of the first two, but still, all 3).

Will you please consider adding TBS-HD to the TWC NY/NJ lineup before Oct 1st, 2007?

I think it would really be a shame if this HUGE sports market is forced to watch TBS in SD after watching baseball all year in HD.

Thank you for your consideration,
redacted
Hudson Valley, NY

P.S. N.B. that DirecTV just announced the release of 21 new HD channels this very morning.

LL3HD

09-26-07, 02:11 PM

Ok, here's what I sent:

Dear Mr. Watson,
.

:cool:That’s good.

I had some correspondence with him about 4 years ago, never got anywhere, just a lot of fluff. I think I’m a “direct to spam” with him now. I would have to set up a new email account to write to that stiff.

From what I recall, the person who started this thread, anthonymoody, had a good rapport with BW but "am" hasn’t poster here in a long time. :confused: Maybe he went satellite.

edit…

and as I remember, 'am' is a Yankees fan too… Hey T, you still peruse this thread? Can you tap your source and see if we are sitting pretty with the playoffs in HD?

scott_bernstein

09-26-07, 03:58 PM

Excellent stuff, Scott...thanks for that. I just plugged the plasma into the 8300, and it's working exactly as advertised. I also plugged the cell charger thingie into one of those multiple outlet boxes, and will switch it on and off as needed. Good ideas! :)

Glad to be of service. I feel like every little bit counts.....

:cool:

coreynyc

09-26-07, 04:47 PM

I took a different tactic today to put pressure on TWC to get TBS HD added immediately.

I e-mailed the TV Sports writers for all 3 NY newspapers today: Richard Sandomir (NY Times), Phil Mushnick (NY Post), and Bob Raissman (Daily News) and clued them in on the situation. I suggest you guys do the same and maybe they think there will be enough interest to do a story.

For Sandomir, click here: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/richard_sandomir/index.html?inline=nyt-per
and then click on the "Send an E-Mail to Richard Sandomir" link near the top of the page (beneath his name in large font) to send an e-mail.

Mushnick’s e-mail is phil.mushnick@nypost.com

Raissman's e-mail is braissman@edit.nydailynews.com

I played up the angle that TBS & TWC are from the same corporation and no negotiations are necessary. I also said it seems silly to deny Mets and Yankees fans (plus the considerable number of Red Sox & Cubs who live in NYC) who are TWC customers something that we have come to expect (sports in HD); I suggest you all do the same.

bahill

09-26-07, 05:20 PM

Good idea! I just did the same.

LL3HD

09-26-07, 05:58 PM

High-definition TBS feed should please Red Sox fans
By Keith Reed, Globe Staff | September 26, 2007

Comcast Corp. is giving Red Sox fans a bonus next week, adding the TBS network to its high-definition lineup on Tuesday, a day before Major League Baseball's playoffs start.

TBS signed a seven-year deal with Major League Baseball last year, for a reported $110 million annually, to broadcast the first round of the playoffs and share the second round of the playoffs with the Fox network, which will continue to air the World Series.

TBS began offering a high-definition channel to cable systems in September. Comcast, the nation's largest cable system and the dominant system in Eastern Massachusetts, had not yet picked up the signal.

TBS HD will appear on channel 831 for Comcast subscribers. It is among several high-definition channels Comcast is adding this month. CNN HD will appear on Comcast channel 842 on Tuesday. Comcast also will add high-definition feeds for the USA Network and the History Channel before the end of the month, said the company's regional vice president, Paul D'Arcangelo.
DirecTV, a Comcast rival, has said that it will add 100 new HD channels by year-end. The move by the satellite TV provider is a challenge to cable companies, which can't offer as many high-definition channels because of limited bandwidth. Comcast offers 27 channels in high definition and more than 150 hours of high-definition programming through its On Demand service.
D'Arcangelo said the addition of more high-definition channels is not a response to Comcast's rival.

"I don't think it's playing into the mix at all," he said. "They have to leverage their opportunity. We focus on what we have to offer, which is a whole suite of high-definition options."

A DirecTV spokesman said TBS HD would be added to the satellite service's lineup on channel 247 this week. Subscribers who pay $9.99 per month for DirecTV's high-definition package, which is a cost added to their normal packages, will automatically get the channel.

Sports programming is one of the biggest reasons consumers buy HDTV sets. That spending has benefited cable and satellite services, which get more revenue from high-definition subscribers than from analog ones.

Access to HD programming on Comcast requires a digital set-top box at a monthly cost of $5. Of Comcast's 24.1 million subscribers at the end of the second quarter, 13.6 million subscribed to digital services, such as high-definition channels or digital video recorders.

Keith Reed can be reached at reed@globe.com.

http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2007/09/26/high_definition_tbs_feed_should_please_red_sox_fans/

AndyHDTV

09-26-07, 06:21 PM

zEli173

09-26-07, 06:34 PM

JBBO3314

09-26-07, 08:16 PM

Has anyone ever had a problem connecting a router or VOIP phone to TWC. This week I had serious issues with mine. I called time warner they said my router is causing this problem and that they offer wireless. Has anyone else had a problem like this before? They said my router can put a glitch in the modems system.

skanter1

09-27-07, 12:20 AM

I sent a cordial, articulate email to this guy last week. No response...

this is the guy that has the power to flip the switch in NYC!!!
try sending the same email to him.

Bob Watson

VP Programming & New Business Development

Time Warner Cable of NY & NJ

120 East 23rd Street

New York, NY 10010

212-598-7363 | Fax: 212-364-9810

Email: bob.watson@twcable.com

margoba

09-27-07, 01:24 AM

twcinsider

09-27-07, 09:32 AM

I'm one of those who is ready to move to RCN once they are done working in my area. TWC is just not cutting it for me. I think what will really push me over is if they ask for more $$$ for INHD.

For RCN users: what stb do they provide?

rcn has less hd channels and their stb are huge

twcinsider

09-27-07, 09:35 AM

wow thanks for thoses links.
I sent one to all including Sportson1@ny1.com
I hope everybody here has the chance to email these guys, so we can get some answers!

did u forget ny1 is owned by twc. its like getting msg network to report on the isiah thomas trial.

twcinsider

09-27-07, 09:38 AM

twcinsider

09-27-07, 09:42 AM

I sent another, very cordial, email to Ms. Witmer today. Different email address, so if my old one was 'banned', maybe this one gets through :)

i don't know ms.witmer personally but note that if you don't get a personal response, it does not mean your email and/or letter does not get read and noted. if she sat there and responded to each one of you personally, how would she have time to go out and negotiate some carriage deals ;-)

LL3HD

09-27-07, 09:44 AM

if she sat there and responded to each one of you personally, how would she have time to go out and negotiate some carriage deals ;-)
How about responding to at least one? ;)

twcinsider

09-27-07, 09:46 AM

You've got to be kidding me? Why on earth would they ADD more analog channels at this point in the game? I thought the whole goal was to eliminate all the analog channels and require everyone to get a digital box.

fbn will have a more broad appeal than cnbc but it is extremely important for the channel to be seen in areas that are analog / non upgraded plant such as commercial buildings, madison ave, etc. by mid october your net gain of bandwith is still +4. four analog premium drop, hsn analog drop, add fbn. TMC AND MAX have been dropped, showtime is next then finally hbo.

LL3HD

09-27-07, 09:48 AM

did u forget ny1 is owned by twc. its like getting msg network to report on the isiah thomas trial.I’d expect MSG to be totally skewed but you’re implying that NY1 is just as pathetic in their reporting? Call me naïve but I doubt that... but if that’s what you’re saying…
:rolleyes:

Riverside_Guy

09-27-07, 10:45 AM

I’m not talking about my own personal emails to her (that I made sure were professional and cordial). I’m referring to any emails by the tons of posters on this thread and all of the other TW info threads that have emailed her. I’m sure that we’d have heard about a response.

This TBSHD situation is going to explode in a few days. I already posted that I’m confident (with absolutely no facts) that we will have it but boy oh boy, as we get closer… :rolleyes:

I know so many huge baseball fans that have been enjoying HD this season, some for the first time, that have no clue whatsoever the post season is going to be on TBS.:rolleyes:

I have NO doubt your e-mails were anything less than completely professional. The issue IS very much what she does as a senior executive. She absolutely has the resources to make sure SOME response is made to the e-mails she gets directly. She clearly CHOOSES to NOT respond to any customer communication. It's not a matter of manners, but a business decision. AND that decision 100% reflects TWC's almost total disdain for it's customers. Companies that show such disdain for their customers only do so when they feel they have them locked in no matter what. AND that is why there are monopoly laws... unfortunately, it seems that they were really smart to figure out a way to completely avoid the consequences for acting like a that...

As for TBS HD, what we know is there is way more than enough bandwidth for the ENTIRE city to get it. We know they have said nothing about it, other than a vague "late October for New York." We also KNOW that they HAVE said "New York" and meant "not in NYC." And we also KNOW that late October and possibly second round games might be concluded.

If they planned to carry the HD channel in NYC, why have they not said so? While I LIKE your optimism, the reality does seem to point to 4:3 SD for the playoffs. And if by some miracle they DO give us HD, the very fact they won't tell us that very much means they are essentially spitting in out faces. Which is always the hallmark of arrogance. Which is why I'm so anxious for Verizon to get us all wired so that I can thumb my nose at that arrogance.

Riverside_Guy

09-27-07, 10:54 AM

I have a friend with an SD TV, but he has an 8300HD box. He is, I think, having disk space capacity problems. He records mostly sports and an occasional movie. I guess the cable-only channels are digital, but what are the network channels (2,4,5,7,9,11) nowadays: digital or analog?

Also, anybody remember the standard estimates of capacity in hours for analog and digital SD.

Thanks,

-barry

For some time period, one HAD to produce a receipt for a HD display to get the 8300HD from TWC. Happened to both me and my sister. Have a pal who wanted to get the 8300HD because of the internal HD being twice as large (the claim is for 90 hours of SD on a 160G internal drive). He did NOT have to show any receipt (he had a phony one all made up and ready to go).

BTW, he finally succumbed to my subtle hints and got a HD display!

As we seem to see, it's not a very BAD idea to swap boxes, you'll be getting Nagivatored. Every night I say a prayer that my Passport box stays healthy...

LL3HD

09-27-07, 10:56 AM

It's not a matter of manners, but a business decision. ... Yep, I'll go with that...
....they are essentially spitting in out faces..This about covers their business model.

nuttyinnyc

09-27-07, 11:26 AM

I have NO doubt your e-mails were anything less than completely professional. The issue IS very much what she does as a senior executive. She absolutely has the resources to make sure SOME response is made to the e-mails she gets directly. She clearly CHOOSES to NOT respond to any customer communication. It's not a matter of manners, but a business decision. AND that decision 100% reflects TWC's almost total disdain for it's customers. Companies that show such disdain for their customers only do so when they feel they have them locked in no matter what. AND that is why there are monopoly laws... unfortunately, it seems that they were really smart to figure out a way to completely avoid the consequences for acting like a that...

As for TBS HD, what we know is there is way more than enough bandwidth for the ENTIRE city to get it. We know they have said nothing about it, other than a vague "late October for New York." We also KNOW that they HAVE said "New York" and meant "not in NYC." And we also KNOW that late October and possibly second round games might be concluded.

If they planned to carry the HD channel in NYC, why have they not said so? While I LIKE your optimism, the reality does seem to point to 4:3 SD for the playoffs. And if by some miracle they DO give us HD, the very fact they won't tell us that very much means they are essentially spitting in out faces. Which is always the hallmark of arrogance. Which is why I'm so anxious for Verizon to get us all wired so that I can thumb my nose at that arrogance.
Wow, River!!! You need a HUG! :);):p:D Do you feel better now, LOL!!

joMu

09-27-07, 12:28 PM

mabrym

09-27-07, 12:53 PM

According to metsblog, usually a reliable source of information - "As of now, Verizon FIOS and DISH are the only local providors who will not carry TBS HD in time for the post-season."

But no specific mention of TW in the post, which was about Cablevision announcing they will carry it. But it looks like pressure on TW will build in the coming days. I think we'll get it.

coreynyc

09-27-07, 12:55 PM

According to Neil Best from Newsday, we ARE getting TBS-HD. Honestly, I think he is confused by their previous statement that they are going to those six markets (someone posted a link here to tvpredictions.com a few weeks ago).

He just posted to his blog "Breaking News" that Cablevision is adding it and he mentioned that they “join DirecTV & Time Warner”

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2007/09/breaking_news_cablevision_to_a.html

LL3HD

09-27-07, 01:13 PM

zEli173

09-27-07, 01:13 PM

Amen Riverside_Guy.

coreynyc

09-27-07, 01:39 PM

MetsBlog got his (I believe to be wrong) info from the Neil Best Newsday blog which I posted right after you.

According to metsblog, usually a reliable source of information - "As of now, Verizon FIOS and DISH are the only local providors who will not carry TBS HD in time for the post-season."

But no specific mention of TW in the post, which was about Cablevision announcing they will carry it. But it looks like pressure on TW will build in the coming days. I think we'll get it.

Berk32

09-27-07, 01:51 PM

HDTV Dude

09-27-07, 01:57 PM

mabrym

09-27-07, 02:13 PM

Cablevision adding TBS-HD 'between monday and wednesday' may not be good enough (for mets fans)

Looks like there might be a whole bunch of potential NL tiebreaker games that would start on Monday (and possibly beyond) - and TBS would show them all

We need TBS-HD BY Monday!

The Mets are NOT playing any tiebreakers. We ARE winning this division.

Damn it!

nuttyinnyc

09-27-07, 02:41 PM

Cablevision adding TBS-HD 'between monday and wednesday' may not be good enough (for mets fans)

Looks like there might be a whole bunch of potential NL tiebreaker games that would start on Monday (and possibly beyond) - and TBS would show them all

We need TBS-HD BY Monday!
A regular season play-off game is still considered regular season so Met fans be happy. It will be shpown on either EESPN or the SNY. But you guys should be looking toward the real playoffs. The True MLB season They will make it!!

Berk32

09-27-07, 02:45 PM

A regular season play-off game is still considered regular season so Met fans be happy. It will be shpown on either EESPN or the SNY. But you guys should be looking toward the real playoffs. The True MLB season They will make it!!

No... TBS has the rights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_on_TBS

"TBS will also air any tie-breaker games for divisional or wild card championships. Should multiple tie-breaking games be played, or if multiple Division Series game are scheduled at the same time, those additional games would air on TBS’ sister station, TNT."

So pray there are a bunch of tiebreaker games.... and the Mets end up on TNT

nuttyinnyc

09-27-07, 03:12 PM

No... TBS has the rights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_on_TBS

"TBS will also air any tie-breaker games for divisional or wild card championships. Should multiple tie-breaking games be played, or if multiple Division Series game are scheduled at the same time, those additional games would air on TBS’ sister station, TNT."

So pray there are a bunch of tiebreaker games.... and the Mets end up on TNT
Come on Berk, you usually lead with that. No fair having the inside information! I was just going by years past were they still considered the one game playoff a reg season game. That really does suck!!! But I am one on the positive side of us getting the channel.

Berk32

09-27-07, 03:51 PM

Come on Berk, you usually lead with that. No fair having the inside information! I was just going by years past were they still considered the one game playoff a reg season game. That really does suck!!! But I am one on the positive side of us getting the channel.

Sorry - I figured it was more "known".... considering TBS already had the rights LAST SEASON for a possible tiebreaker (which fortunately didn't happen) - it was discussed during the final week of the season that there would be no HD anywhere at the time for that possible games.

Did MSG/FSNY do the Mets tiebreaker game from 1999? I know it was on ESPN.

Meteor

09-27-07, 03:57 PM

I just checked my box and found that TWC in Manhattan has finally dropped the analog feeds to TMC and Cinemax (66 & 69) and the message calls for the same to done to Showtime and HBO (79 & 80). I hope this will provide them the needed bandwidth to lauch TBS-HD and whatever other HD channels that might come our way.

They haven't dropped the analog channels yet, they just replaced them with the announcement, confirmed by tuning a cable ready TV set on channels 28(HBO), 29(MAX), 39(SHO), 49(TMC).
IMHO these analog frequencies won't get replaced with digital anytime soon, first they would keep their messages for a while and eventually they'll shuffled the channels to keep all digital bunched together.

nuttyinnyc

09-27-07, 04:02 PM

Sorry - I figured it was more "known".... considering TBS already had the rights LAST SEASON for a possible tiebreaker (which fortunately didn't happen) - it was discussed during the final week of the season that there would be no HD anywhere at the time for that possible games.

Did MSG/FSNY do the Mets tiebreaker game from 1999? I know it was on ESPN.
You are forgiven, mne and you are still cool!! :D
That is a long long long time ago, me and my old brain. :confused:But If I do recall the game was similcast on FSNY. I could be wrong but I think I remember something like that

coreynyc

09-27-07, 04:36 PM

heinriph

09-27-07, 04:48 PM

I'm stating to lose my patience with TWC in NYC. I was already getting worked up about the :mad: lack 1st round baseball in HD :mad: but then that became a moot point when I lost all my service (cable/internet/phone) for the 3rd or 4th time this year.

I've been with TWC in Brooklyn since 1999 and everything ran fine until about two years ago when the the neighbors downstairs switched from satellite to TWC. It started simply enough with problems due to perhaps a lack of bandwidth being pushed into to the building but has since become a grand comedy of errors. It goes something like this: downstairs neighbors lose cable, call TWC. TW tech "fixes" the problem. I come home to find my service is down. I call TWC to fix my problem and then the neighbors lose their service. It has gone back and forth like this for about a year now. I try to explain this to the phone jockeys and the often sub-contracted techs (although I explicitly demanded they send an actual TWC tech each time). Anyone have any problem like this? :confused:

I'm in a new condo development in Brooklyn, and our building was pre-wired for cable and a joint dish. Unfortunately, all runs end up in an unmarked ball of spaghetti in the basement - nothing is labeled, and there seems to be an endless succession of splitters...

As a result, every time the TWC or DirecTV techs show up to install or fix someone's cable or dish, someone else inevitably loses everthing as a result. The MO seems to be to randomly connect and disconnect wires until the specific customer's service works, and then run for the hills.

Pretty funny stuff... (until it happens to you)

JBBO3314

09-27-07, 05:00 PM

Neil Best says: "TW people: I am awaiting official confirmation but the bottom line is I don't think you will have to worry about it."

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2007/09/breaking_news_cablevision_to_a.html#comments

If this is true it's brilliant. I just can't get why they would put it on 739 instead of 708. How long are they gonna keep YES on 2 channels?

Berk32

09-27-07, 05:04 PM

If this is true it's brilliant. I just can't get why they would put it on 739 instead of 708. How long are they gonna keep YES on 2 channels?

Cablevision = 739

and it doesn't really matter how long YES and SNY stay on 2 channels... since they aren't taking up double the space... (each is just 1 signal assigned to 2 channels)

joMu

09-28-07, 08:16 AM

I'm in a new condo development in Brooklyn, and our building was pre-wired for cable and a joint dish. Unfortunately, all runs end up in an unmarked ball of spaghetti in the basement - nothing is labeled, and there seems to be an endless succession of splitters...

As a result, every time the TWC or DirecTV techs show up to install or fix someone's cable or dish, someone else inevitably loses everthing as a result. The MO seems to be to randomly connect and disconnect wires until the specific customer's service works, and then run for the hills.

Pretty funny stuff... (until it happens to you)

Glad to know I'm not alone. I was so intent on watching Earl and CSI last night I climbed up onto my roof and ran a coax from an ancient antenna to the tv. I had to adjust the antenna (it had been facing the WTC) towards the Empire State Building and watch my shows in SD. So it goes.

nuttyinnyc

09-28-07, 10:20 AM

Neil Best says: "TW people: I am awaiting official confirmation but the bottom line is I don't think you will have to worry about it."

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2007/09/breaking_news_cablevision_to_a.html#comments
A lot of people are claiming it but no one has given us proof from TWC NYC. Stating something similar to my mock letter a few pages ago. If they give it to us at this point it would be a huge publicity ploy. I am one of the positive ones here that believe with blind faith and will probably be ridiculed if we don't get it.

coneyparleg

09-28-07, 10:46 AM

Riverside_Guy

09-28-07, 12:31 PM

Wow, River!!! You need a HUG! :);):p:D Do you feel better now, LOL!!

Indeed, I DO find some of my posts being quite cathartic for me.

Still, a fist bump would be more in line... unless you look like Angelina AND are a real girl!

Riverside_Guy

09-28-07, 12:39 PM

I'm stating to lose my patience with TWC in NYC. I was already getting worked up about the :mad: lack 1st round baseball in HD :mad: but then that became a moot point when I lost all my service (cable/internet/phone) for the 3rd or 4th time this year.

I've been with TWC in Brooklyn since 1999 and everything ran fine until about two years ago when the the neighbors downstairs switched from satellite to TWC. It started simply enough with problems due to perhaps a lack of bandwidth being pushed into to the building but has since become a grand comedy of errors. It goes something like this: downstairs neighbors lose cable, call TWC. TW tech "fixes" the problem. I come home to find my service is down. I call TWC to fix my problem and then the neighbors lose their service. It has gone back and forth like this for about a year now. I try to explain this to the phone jockeys and the often sub-contracted techs (although I explicitly demanded they send an actual TWC tech each time). Anyone have any problem like this? :confused:

Oh I know the feeling... which is why I wouldn't and advise all to NOT get their phone service. The last everything down for 5-6 days" was because they came to turn off service for my neighbors who were moving away and blindly cut my line! Of course, it HAD to be 5-6 days before they would come out. I can NOT recall service from Verizon ever being out (30+ years worth) so I asked friends. One guy remembers one time losing service... he called late afternoon and by non the next day was back up and running.

Suggestion; I think this is the local installers screwing up. From my experiences in the past few years, there is a defined line between the installers and "engineering." Engineering seems to handle everything for wiring from the tap to your apartment. BUT NOT the tap itself. These are the guys you do NOT have to take a day off to wait for, they go about their work without you at all. Generally speaking I have had decent results from this group... one of the very few things I'm not angry at them about!

Riverside_Guy

09-28-07, 12:51 PM

They haven't dropped the analog channels yet, they just replaced them with the announcement, confirmed by tuning a cable ready TV set on channels 28(HBO), 29(MAX), 39(SHO), 49(TMC).
IMHO these analog frequencies won't get replaced with digital anytime soon, first they would keep their messages for a while and eventually they'll shuffled the channels to keep all digital bunched together.

Hmm, a while back I asked the question about how to tell that any particular former analog was NOT being broadcast and was told to tune to the channel number (using the raw cable sans STB) and if I got snow, it was still running, but if I got solid back, no longer was that analog clogging bandwidth. I tested all 4 and got 4 totally blank screens, so I figured the analogs were gone.

Just tried it again, same thing, there is NO SIGNAL on any of those 4 channels.

Maybe it's a head end thing, I'm Man North.

Riverside_Guy

09-28-07, 01:02 PM

A lot of people are claiming it but no one has given us proof from TWC NYC. Stating something similar to my mock letter a few pages ago. If they give it to us at this point it would be a huge publicity ploy. I am one of the positive ones here that believe with blind faith and will probably be ridiculed if we don't get it.

Here's some super secret inside information: TWC NYC has quietly bought the Mets. They figure that if the team does NOT make the playoffs, not that many NYCers will care about HD playoffs as most are Mets fans. So essentially they are sticking it to Yankee fans... it's quite fashionable these days to be Yankee haters, don't you know?

BTW, Ms. Witmers trash not only yielded this information, but there was a receipt for a brand new 4:3 CRT television!

So much for your blind faith <g>! Ah, just synced my Pod and I have some Blind Faith coming up after I finish a SRV album...

bahill

09-28-07, 01:07 PM

Got a response from NYP:

RE: TBS-HD on TWC NY/NJ

Phil.Mushnick
to:
Redacted
09/28/2007 11:30 AM

..... - It's just another post-wild card postseason that MLB and its partner networks are making up as they go along. I'm writing about it for Sunday, not that I can do anything about it. Thanks - mushnick

TheDov

09-28-07, 01:39 PM

benrub

09-28-07, 01:46 PM

I sent emails to 1010 WINS and Michael Kay about the TBS-HD situation.

No idea if my emails will be read or if it will help at all.

nuttyinnyc

09-28-07, 01:46 PM

Indeed, I DO find some of my posts being quite cathartic for me.

Still, a fist bump would be more in line... unless you look like Angelina AND are a real girl!
True that son!!! :D(Slang for you are so right!):p ok, a fist bump it just fine with me, the hugs only come if you had really, really, really loss it:mad:. Other then that mr an you are all fist bumps.:cool:

nuttyinnyc

09-28-07, 01:52 PM

Here's some super secret inside information: TWC NYC has quietly bought the Mets. They figure that if the team does NOT make the playoffs, not that many NYCers will care about HD playoffs as most are Mets fans. So essentially they are sticking it to Yankee fans... it's quite fashionable these days to be Yankee haters, don't you know?

BTW, Ms. Witmers trash not only yielded this information, but there was a receipt for a brand new 4:3 CRT television!

So much for your blind faith <g>! Ah, just synced my Pod and I have some Blind Faith coming up after I finish a SRV album...

Do you think TWC is paying the relief corps to colapse and not make the playoffs? What a conspiracy!!!!
I wonder which brand she favors?
Hey, I have to believe in something, Ha ha!

nuttyinnyc

09-28-07, 02:02 PM

A few questions: I'm considering bumping my HD STB to a DVR unit. What models is TWC giving out these days? Am I able to move content somehow to my computer (a Mac, if it makes a difference)? Also, does it use HDMI, or DVI - I got a DVI->HDMI cable and optical audio for my current STB, so it would suck to have to tuck those away in a drawer, probably never to be used again.

Also, I'm not very familiar with the TiVo product - if I were to get a TiVo, does it work with TimeWarner service? Do I then also have to pay monthly to TiVo? Would that, in the end, however, let me move content to my computer (again, a Mac)?

I'm new to DVRs, so any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
If you aren't in a rush I would wait to change to DVR service. TWC is using the SA8300 DVR, the problem that has been well documented in this thread is the operating system "Navigator". It has a few bugs to say it nicely. TWC will be switching the complete system to Navigator, but as of right now it seems like they are send out Beta versions not something that is well tested and user friendly. There is another STBDVR coming out soon. I think it is by Samsung(someone here will correct me if I am wrong)that TWC will be using also. If you really want the DVR my advice is to direct to a payment center because the TWC store and the technicians are giving the STB w/ navigator. The service centers still have given some people the old boxes.

You will need HDMI-HDMI for the SA8300 so you can either buy the adaptor(which I don't trust or shop around for a cable now.

Check about 10 pages back we had a long discussion when the TIVO product was brought up. It can be used but from the math we did there really wasn't any savings with a BYOB service.

zEli173

09-28-07, 04:04 PM

joMu

09-28-07, 04:07 PM

Oh I know the feeling... which is why I wouldn't and advise all to NOT get their phone service. The last everything down for 5-6 days" was because they came to turn off service for my neighbors who were moving away and blindly cut my line! Of course, it HAD to be 5-6 days before they would come out. I can NOT recall service from Verizon ever being out (30+ years worth) so I asked friends. One guy remembers one time losing service... he called late afternoon and by non the next day was back up and running.

Suggestion; I think this is the local installers screwing up. From my experiences in the past few years, there is a defined line between the installers and "engineering." Engineering seems to handle everything for wiring from the tap to your apartment. BUT NOT the tap itself. These are the guys you do NOT have to take a day off to wait for, they go about their work without you at all. Generally speaking I have had decent results from this group... one of the very few things I'm not angry at them about!

When I called them Tuesday night I asked them to send me an engineer or at least not a contractor- someone willing to climb a pole if necessary and not afraid to take the time to rewire something. Alas, CSR said they had no control over that which I believe is b.s. The last guy they sent out

nuttyinnyc

09-28-07, 04:16 PM

Here it is, the officially word, just received via email.

------------

I am happy to inform you that TBS-HD will be available on the Time Warner New York City and New Jeresey cable systems as of Monday, October 1, 2007. Below is the TBS-HDchannel location for each system:

Manhattan, Brookly and Queens - Channel 708
New Jersey - Channel 774
Mount Vernon - Channel 775
Hudson Valley - Channel 726

Please feel free to share this information with your neighbors and friends. Thank you for your interest in our programming and for being a Time Warner Cable customer.

Sincerely,

Robert Watson
VP of Programming and New Business Development
Don't you be lyng to me!!!!! Did I have the belief in them at the right time. Your next question should be, where is the anouncement? Why make people suffer untill 3 days before the playoffs start? I still think this is a just another move in the FIOSTV vs TWC chess match, it is a pre-planned addition. They will look good to the many basic DTV subscribers that aren't connected to AVS or other forums like this. Which is probably a much better percentage then us HDTV subscribers.

Broadway for you if this is true then my next fight is to get you VsHD.

coneyparleg

09-28-07, 04:18 PM

Berk32

09-28-07, 04:20 PM

nuttyinnyc

09-28-07, 04:36 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

although there are too many typos... in that....

you better not be f*cking with us
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIII
That actually is true. TOO mani errors!!!!!!! see you have me making mistakes. At a min spell check would have caught brookly.

Berk32

09-28-07, 04:42 PM

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIII
That actually is true. TOO mani errors!!!!!!! see you have me making mistakes. At a min spell check would have caught brookly.

and 'Jeresey'

Berk32

09-28-07, 04:59 PM

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2007/09/breaking_news_time_warner_on_b.html

i hope he's not relying solely on the info we're getting here...

Berk32

09-28-07, 05:03 PM

ok - we're good :):p

http://www.timewarnercable.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/TWCPressReleaseDivDetail.ashx?PRID=1810&MarketID=50

TIME WARNER CABLE TO LAUNCH FREE PREVIEW OF TBS HD MONDAY, OCTOBER 1, IN TIME FOR MLB PLAYOFFS

New York, NY – September 28, 2007 – Time Warner Cable (TWC) today announced that it had reached an agreement to add TBS HD to its high-definition line-up on Monday, October 1st, before the start of the Major League Baseball Divisional Playoffs, which will be carried by TBS.

TBS HD will be offered to digital customers, at no additional charge, as a free preview for the month of October. It is expected that TBS HD will officially launch on November 1st to Time Warner Cable of New York and New Jersey digital customers, at no additional charge, on Channel 708 in Manhattan, Queens, Staten Island and Brooklyn, on Channel 775 in Mt. Vernon, on Channel 726 in Hudson Valley and on Channel 774 in New Jersey.

“We know that watching the playoffs in high definition is really important to our customers, and we’re pleased that we were able to reach an agreement to launch before the first game,” said Barbara Kelly, Senior Vice President and General Manager, Time Warner Cable of New York and New Jersey. “Time Warner Cable’s high-definition lineup continues to grow at a rapid pace. With the launch of TBS HD, customers will have access to over 20 channels of high-definition sports and entertainment.”

Beginning October 3rd, TBS HD will carry all Division Series games and the National League Championship Series (NLCS). All MLB Postseason games will be shot in HD. A full schedule of the games is available at www.tbs.com/sports/mlb.

LL3HD

09-28-07, 05:20 PM

ok - we're good :):p

http://www.timewarnercable.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/TWCPressReleaseDivDetail.ashx?PRID=1810&MarketID=50:cool:Cool, I think the email onslaught was a good thing. The post with the press links was great.;) Even though many of us knew that we had to be getting it, this information is a relief. And by the way, there have been BW emails posted here before and this last one looks authentic :p mistakes and all.

seamus21514

09-28-07, 05:32 PM

Let's all pester him for CNN HD now.

Berk32

09-28-07, 05:43 PM

Let's all pester him for CNN HD now.

first we need Vs/Golf-HD.......

seamus21514

09-28-07, 05:56 PM

But the thing is, they could get CNN HD just as easily as they got TBS HD. I'd rather save the stuff that's harder to get for later. Sure, they have rights for Vs/Golf HD, but I think CNN HD would fit better seeing as they're owned by the same company.

Berk32

09-28-07, 06:04 PM

Vs/Golf-HD has exclusive NHL games....

Rangers-Islanders on 10/10 will ONLY be seen on Versus..... (no MSGHD or FSNYHD...)

i think there are about 10 Rangers games this season on Versus.....

TWC already blew it with the playoffs a few months ago.....

skanter1

09-28-07, 06:31 PM

I got it too:

Dear Mr. Kanter:

I am happy to inform you that TBS-HD will be available on the Time Warner New York City and New Jersey cable systems as of Monday, October 1, 2007. Below is the TBS-HD channel location for each system where carried.

Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens - Channel 708
New Jersey - Channel 774
Mount Vernon - Channel 775
Hudson Valley - Channel 726

Please feel free to share this information with you neighbor and friends. Thank you for being a Time Warner Cable Customer.

Sincerely,

Robert Watson
VP of Programing and New Business Development

HDTV Dude

09-28-07, 06:40 PM

I don't know why but I was kinda hoping to hear more HD channels were being added than just TBS-HD, which we all pretty much expected in time for the MLB playoffs. I hope this isn't the only bone they're throwing us until next year when SDV finally goes into effect.

zEli173

09-28-07, 06:54 PM

Wow, lot of cynics in these parts.

broadwayblue

09-28-07, 06:54 PM

Broadway for you if this is true then my next fight is to get you VsHD.

It looks like I'm gonna need all the help I can get! My 5th email went unanswered today. :(

Maybe I need to send them to Bob as well as Ms. SDTV.

broadwayblue

09-28-07, 06:57 PM

first we need Vs/Golf-HD.......

Yes, we do. It's so frustrating to be forced to watch the NHL in SD, when TWC could provide it to us at no cost. I know that NHL fans are not the largest group out there, but considering I've been paying $100+/month for as long as I can remember and watching a fraction of those channels, it's about time they threw ME and my NHL friends a bone.

scott_bernstein

09-28-07, 07:29 PM

Of course, once the playoffs are over, this is going to be a HUGE waste of bandwidth for us when we could have a *good* HD channel in that slot.

Seriously, what else worthwhile is going to be in HD on TBS-HD after the playoffs are over? And doesn't it seem that it will all be in stretch-o-vision like TNT-HD?

Things that I'd MUCH rather have seen worked out here:
TMC-HD
MHD (MTV-HD)
HD On Demand
CNN-HD
National Geographic HD
Weather Channel-HD
Food HD

And my guess is that they will multiplex it onto a QAM frequency with other HD channels, thereby reducing the quality of the other channels.

Berk32

09-28-07, 08:21 PM

Supposedly more are coming on 10/15 - but they 'rushed' on TBS-HD because of the playoffs

AndyHDTV

09-28-07, 09:27 PM

Here is mine:

"Thank you for inquiring about TBS HD. We will be adding TBS HD in New York City on Channel 708 as of Monday, October 1st, in time for customers to view the MBL Playoffs.

We know that watching the playoffs in high definition is really important to our customers, and we’re pleased that we were able to reach an agreement to launch before the first game."

Sincerely,
S.G.

benrub

09-29-07, 12:31 AM

Whew! What a relief!!!!! Let's go Yankees!

Riverside_Guy

09-29-07, 08:38 AM

If you aren't in a rush I would wait to change to DVR service. TWC is using the SA8300 DVR, the problem that has been well documented in this thread is the operating system "Navigator". It has a few bugs to say it nicely. TWC will be switching the complete system to Navigator, but as of right now it seems like they are send out Beta versions not something that is well tested and user friendly. There is another STBDVR coming out soon. I think it is by Samsung(someone here will correct me if I am wrong)that TWC will be using also. If you really want the DVR my advice is to direct to a payment center because the TWC store and the technicians are giving the STB w/ navigator. The service centers still have given some people the old boxes.

You will need HDMI-HDMI for the SA8300 so you can either buy the adaptor(which I don't trust or shop around for a cable now.

Check about 10 pages back we had a long discussion when the TIVO product was brought up. It can be used but from the math we did there really wasn't any savings with a BYOB service.

Another fly in the ointment is that I've read that they may also be handing out Samsung DVR STBs...

The rubber will REALLY hit the road when they force Nagivator on the older (8300HD) DVR boxes!

Riverside_Guy

09-29-07, 08:42 AM

first we need Vs/Golf-HD.......

Uh, FIRST we need to get what SI has (the missing 6) that we don't!

Riverside_Guy

09-29-07, 08:47 AM

Whew! What a relief!!!!! Let's go Yankees!

As a die hard Yankee fan for all my life, in the next few days I'm trying to cheer on my homies out in Queens; while it may be for naught, Willie and the fans deserve far better!

TheDov

09-29-07, 10:40 AM

If you aren't in a rush I would wait to change to DVR service. TWC is using the SA8300 DVR, the problem that has been well documented in this thread is the operating system "Navigator". It has a few bugs to say it nicely. TWC will be switching the complete system to Navigator, but as of right now it seems like they are send out Beta versions not something that is well tested and user friendly. There is another STBDVR coming out soon. I think it is by Samsung(someone here will correct me if I am wrong)that TWC will be using also. If you really want the DVR my advice is to direct to a payment center because the TWC store and the technicians are giving the STB w/ navigator. The service centers still have given some people the old boxes.

You will need HDMI-HDMI for the SA8300 so you can either buy the adaptor(which I don't trust or shop around for a cable now.

Check about 10 pages back we had a long discussion when the TIVO product was brought up. It can be used but from the math we did there really wasn't any savings with a BYOB service.
Thanks, nuttyinnyc, that's good to know. Unfortunately, I'm moving in a couple months, so I wanted to try it beforehand so I'll have a natural point at which to decide whether or not to keep it. To make sure I'm clear, what box should I ask for?

Also, I read back on the TiVo discussion and that was very helpful, as well. So am I correct that if I want my shows transferred to my computer, I have to go with a TiVo (all other issues aside)?

broadwayblue

09-29-07, 12:47 PM

Uh, FIRST we need to get what SI has (the missing 6) that we don't!

I know I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather have Golf/Vs over most of the channels SI has that we don't. From what I hear, MHD is garbage, as are some of the others. I'd rather be able to watch my Rangers in HD 10 extra times this season (as well as the early rounds in the playoffs) than watch the same 10 music videos repeat endlessly. TWC has the rights to broadcast the channel for no additional cost, and they have the room. The MLB fans are up in arms about TBS, and they aren't the ones who have already missed their teams play in HD. So no, we need Golf/Vs first.

seamus21514

09-29-07, 02:55 PM

Most of the SI 6 is garbage.

I'd rather have one of these over Golf/Vs anyday:
Discovery HD
CNN HD
Weather Channel HD
Smithsonian HD
History HD

bahill

09-29-07, 03:01 PM

Whew! What a relief!!!!! Let's go Yankees!

I agree! Great news, and maybe our little email campaign helped...or, maybe they were just keeping it close to their vest to come out like heroes. Either way, good news.

Oh, but you did get one thing wrong..... Go RED SOX! ;)

JBBO3314

09-29-07, 03:27 PM

Yes finally TWC comes through in the clutch. This a a step but we deserve much more then we get.

AndyHDTV

09-29-07, 03:46 PM

All NHL Games on Versus-HD will be in HD unlike last year.
Would be a great addition for Ranger Islander & Devil fans.

And FSNY-HD would be good too, as it has around 70 HD games from both the Islanders & Devils.

http://www.versus.com/nw/article/view/40544/?tf=sports_generic_article2.tpl

skanter1

09-29-07, 04:43 PM

Yes finally TWC comes through in the clutch. This a a step but we deserve much more then we get.

Amen. Let's give TWC some credit for this!

UnnDunn

09-29-07, 04:54 PM

Did Discovery HD Theater drop the "Discovery" from its name, or am I just seeing things?

Berk32

09-29-07, 05:10 PM

Did Discovery HD Theater drop the "Discovery" from its name, or am I just seeing things?

yup

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=908088

JBBO3314

09-29-07, 06:20 PM

Does TBS do super stretch like TNT or does it do sidebars?

coneyparleg

09-29-07, 08:42 PM

http://www.timewarnercable.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/TWCPressReleaseDivDetail.ashx?PRID=1810&MarketID=50

"Time Warner Cable’s high-definition lineup continues to grow at a rapid pace":rolleyes:

Berk32

09-29-07, 10:22 PM

Just a weird.... funny sidenote...

I've been away from my apartment for a few days - so I don't know when this happend - but WWOR-HD has been without an ID logo on our systems for quite some time - but a logo just showed up.... and its the 'UPN' logo! (LOL)

AndyHDTV

09-29-07, 10:57 PM

"NHL Network SD will be added to Sports Tier as well"

HDTV Freak

09-30-07, 01:35 AM

If you aren't in a rush I would wait to change to DVR service. TWC is using the SA8300 DVR, the problem that has been well documented in this thread is the operating system "Navigator". It has a few bugs to say it nicely. TWC will be switching the complete system to Navigator, but as of right now it seems like they are send out Beta versions not something that is well tested and user friendly. There is another STBDVR coming out soon. I think it is by Samsung(someone here will correct me if I am wrong)that TWC will be using also. If you really want the DVR my advice is to direct to a payment center because the TWC store and the technicians are giving the STB w/ navigator. The service centers still have given some people the old boxes.

You will need HDMI-HDMI for the SA8300 so you can either buy the adaptor(which I don't trust or shop around for a cable now.

Check about 10 pages back we had a long discussion when the TIVO product was brought up. It can be used but from the math we did there really wasn't any savings with a BYOB service.

Which model is this Samsung DVR? Could it output via firewire without problems? I can't ever get the 8300HD to output it to PC. :(

broadwayblue

09-30-07, 02:26 AM

"NHL Network SD will be added to Sports Tier as well"

That certainly interests me...where did you see that? Is there even an NHL Network HD?

AndyHDTV

09-30-07, 03:25 AM

That certainly interests me...where did you see that? Is there even an NHL Network HD?

Mr. Watson told me.

seamus21514

09-30-07, 12:05 PM

Waton never responds to me for some reason.

broadwayblue

09-30-07, 12:59 PM

Mr. Watson told me.

Thanks for the info. What makes up the sports tier? I'm assuming I have it but I don't remember it being a separate package since I had DirecTV a decade ago.

Berk32

09-30-07, 01:04 PM

Thanks for the info. What makes up the sports tier? I'm assuming I have it but I don't remember it being a separate package since I had DirecTV a decade ago.

Aren't those the channels in the 450s? (the ones they included with the HDxtra channels)

AndyHDTV

09-30-07, 01:24 PM

Thanks for the info. What makes up the sports tier? I'm assuming I have it but I don't remember it being a separate package since I had DirecTV a decade ago.

451 NBA TV
452 FOX COLLEGE SPORTS ATLANTIC
453 FOX COLLEGE SPORTS CENTRAL
454 FOX COLLEGE SPORTS PACIFIC
455 TENNIS
456 FUEL
457 CSTV

AND SOON - NHL NETWORK

wzpgsr

09-30-07, 01:41 PM

Anyone else unable to get the Mets game on either channel 11 (SD) or 711 (HD)?

coneyparleg

09-30-07, 02:01 PM

anyone have problems with there internet in upper manhattan recently?

I'm trying to determine if its the cable, cable modem, or wireless router thats fritzing on me

rgrossman

09-30-07, 02:34 PM

Internet has been quite slow for me lately (E side above 86)

coneyparleg

09-30-07, 04:14 PM

Internet has been quite slow for me lately (E side above 86)

Same here,I'm upper east by 116th, it will run slowm but if I reboot the cable modem or wireless router it'll be fast again for a little but then slow back down to a crawl after a little bit. This week I was going to try and replace the cable modem TWC gives out and see if that helps. let me know if rebooting the modem does the same for you and it might mean the cable internet is the problem...

nuttyinnyc

09-30-07, 09:29 PM

Let's all pester him for CNN HD now.
I promised Broadway:( I would help him, so the first is VsHD, ;)I know this isn't very satisfying to you broadway, but judging the wording of the letter, it seems that they rushed TBSHD to satisfy FANatics, however be them pointing out it is free preview it shows that they use "free preview" to hide bigger things coming in November. Like VsHD and others you might miss a game but the rest of the season is covered.

IMO I think TBSHD will not be the only HD channel added next moth, VsHD will be as well as the SI 5. Maybe a couple more but it might be a srech becasue they are feeling goood about them selves now and want to keep giving something right through the end of the holiday season. TWC is wise and they are to lose the upfront battle but know that their actions can win them the war.

nuttyinnyc

09-30-07, 09:42 PM

As a die hard Yankee fan for all my life, in the next few days I'm trying to cheer on my homies out in Queens; while it may be for naught, Willie and the fans deserve far better!
Dude me too, afterthe yanks choke of, I can't even say the year. I know how the Mets fans feel right now and if I was there I would give them a hug, because I needed something back when the Yanks did choking to the extreme. I thought this wuld be the year when we meet again. The Met's would have had the bsafer trip.

nuttyinnyc

09-30-07, 09:52 PM

Amen. Let's give TWC some credit for this!
you see this is what I am talking about. My previous posts have said people will look at them as a savior to basebal fans. They did in a away, but in no way should they waited till 4 days before the season to make this announcement. The should have made the announcement when everyone else did, but instead they make it seem like some 11hr deal that saved us NYCer's. We get to see one of our home town teams in it's HD glory. Skanter, spread te word, but draw criticism when you make the announcemenet to friends. TWC is looking for needed publicity here and we should not help them.

nuttyinnyc

09-30-07, 09:55 PM

That certainly interests me...where did you see that? Is there even an NHL Network HD?
That is in the new listing with your current bill.

nuttyinnyc

09-30-07, 10:00 PM

Wow they answewred me, a day later then the news I already knew, but stil an answer.

Thank you for your recent message to Time Warner Cable regarding
programming on our HD cable lineup.

In reference to your inquiry, as of Monday October 1st, 2007, TBS HD
will be launching on Channel 708, in time for the beginning of the MLB
Playoffs.

If you have any further questions please contact us at
support_nyc@twcable.com or call our 24 hour Customer Support Line at 212
or 718-358-0900.

Sincerely,

Time Warner Cable
Customer Support

Hey it is better then nothing.

coneyparleg

09-30-07, 10:48 PM

Anyone else unable to get the Mets game on either channel 11 (SD) or 711 (HD)?

be glad you missed it:mad:

nuttyinnyc

09-30-07, 11:32 PM

Ok guys OT for a min but it does concern TWC. During Flash Gordon on SciFi still by far the wrost SD quality I get fromn any channel. Anyway back to what I was saying. It calaimed that 2 min clips will be shown during FG for the next few weeks leading up to a BSG:Razor show. Are they spinning off BSG already? Spin-offs aren't an every day occurance sure they got lucky with SG:A, but that isn't the norm.
I was a bit confussed about the commercials. The made it seem like they will be following Adama before the first war, but they also said they will be showing us what happens with the pegasus. Now I have to watch the 2 min previews for the next three weeks.

TravKoolBreeze

09-30-07, 11:48 PM

Same here,I'm upper east by 116th, it will run slowm but if I reboot the cable modem or wireless router it'll be fast again for a little but then slow back down to a crawl after a little bit. This week I was going to try and replace the cable modem TWC gives out and see if that helps. let me know if rebooting the modem does the same for you and it might mean the cable internet is the problem...

That was happening for a while. A get a reboot from TWC and it would be at 3200~ kb/s and degrade to 1500~ kb/s. I figured it was the modem since we had it since TWC offered high speed in our area about 7 years ago (Harlem area upper 110s). Since getting the new modem, the speed has been in the constant 6600~ kb/s.

This is tested after going thru a wireless router at speedtest.net

broadwayblue

10-01-07, 01:35 AM

I promised Broadway:( I would help him, so the first is VsHD, ;)I know this isn't very satisfying to you broadway, but judging the wording of the letter, it seems that they rushed TBSHD to satisfy FANatics, however be them pointing out it is free preview it shows that they use "free preview" to hide bigger things coming in November. Like VsHD and others you might miss a game but the rest of the season is covered.
IMO I think TBSHD will not be the only HD channel added next moth, VsHD will be as well as the SI 5. Maybe a couple more but it might be a srech becasue they are feeling goood about them selves now and want to keep giving something right through the end of the holiday season. TWC is wise and they are to lose the upfront battle but know that their actions can win them the war.

Guess Rangers FANS don't count in the eyes of TWC. :mad:

If I miss one game I'll be annoyed...but would be happy knowing I'll get most of the season + the playoffs in HD. A lot of us are thinking this will be a big year for the blueshirts, and it would be really horrible if we had to go another post season without HD. I'll keep sending my emails. ;)

broadwayblue

10-01-07, 01:38 AM

And yeah, my internet connection has been kind of slow all weekend...and just recently it's been dropping altogether.

coneyparleg

10-01-07, 08:03 AM

And yeah, my internet connection has been kind of slow all weekend...and just recently it's been dropping altogether.

does rebooting the cable modem provide a temporary fix?

Berk32

10-01-07, 08:07 AM

TBS-HD is live on 708! :)

(stretched SD right now)

(they also got rid of the "double" SNYhd on 741)

ZMike

10-01-07, 08:47 AM

Same here,I'm upper east by 116th, it will run slowm but if I reboot the cable modem or wireless router it'll be fast again for a little but then slow back down to a crawl after a little bit. This week I was going to try and replace the cable modem TWC gives out and see if that helps. let me know if rebooting the modem does the same for you and it might mean the cable internet is the problem...

I've been having the same trouble for awhile now on the Manhattan South node. Resetting the modem helps only when it locks up. The speed is very low during prime use hours now. I'm on my own Motorola modem. I don't think replacing the modem is the answer because people in different areas of the city are experiencing the same problems. We have to let TWC know that we are having trouble with internet connectivity. Sometimes when you call you will hear a recorded message about internet outages when you first connect.

-Mike

nuttyinnyc

10-01-07, 09:27 AM

Guess Rangers FANS don't count in the eyes of TWC. :mad:

If I miss one game I'll be annoyed...but would be happy knowing I'll get most of the season + the playoffs in HD. A lot of us are thinking this will be a big year for the blueshirts, and it would be really horrible if we had to go another post season without HD. I'll keep sending my emails. ;)
Lets hope they don't pull the Met's on you guys, At least there is a much better chance that they make the playoffs with 8 of 15 making it compared to 4 of 15.

nuttyinnyc

10-01-07, 09:35 AM

TBS-HD is live on 708! :)

(stretched SD right now)

(they also got rid of the "double" SNYhd on 741)
I saw it the change happened about midnight. But the quality still needs improving, but so did My9 when it was changed. They have 2 days to get it up and running, but at least me and you kept positive.

Berk32

10-01-07, 09:51 AM

I saw it the change happened about midnight. But the quality still needs improving, but so did My9 when it was changed. They have 2 days to get it up and running, but at least me and you kept positive.

2 days?

There's a game TONIGHT! (NL Wild Card play in game)

nuttyinnyc

10-01-07, 10:05 AM

2 days?

There's a game TONIGHT! (NL Wild Card play in game)
oops! didn't notice that. I just saw the Mets lose the Yankees win and focus on football, Didn't even know there was still a playoff game tpo play until I read you post. WOW, you see you can still be unknowing during the media age. I watched TBSHD while getting ready for work, Listened to the radio on the way in, nd have my radio on my desk and it isn't until 10:14am when I read this that I found out the season still goes on for one more game. The funny part is I checked MLB.com to see when the Yankees will be playing and didn't even notice that the NL had a TBD against PHI. LOL, I will laygh at myself the remainder of the day, thanks Berk.

coneyparleg

10-01-07, 10:34 AM

I've been having the same trouble for awhile now on the Manhattan South node. Resetting the modem helps only when it locks up. The speed is very low during prime use hours now. I'm on my own Motorola modem. I don't think replacing the modem is the answer because people in different areas of the city are experiencing the same problems. We have to let TWC know that we are having trouble with internet connectivity. Sometimes when you call you will hear a recorded message about internet outages when you first connect.

-Mike

Thanks. I'm interested in hearing from others on this. I want to make sure that the issue I'm having is the same as others and not an isolated issue with my equipment.I think the fact that reseting either the cable modem or the wireless router brings a temporary fix points more towards the problem being with the cable internet itself, but I don't understand the tech of it well enough to be sure.

Agent_C

10-01-07, 11:48 AM

LisaM

10-01-07, 11:53 AM

Besides motion artifacts, I am still getting a lot of audio dropouts during HD broadcasts.

Agent_C

10-01-07, 12:43 PM

Besides motion artifacts, I am still getting a lot of audio dropouts during HD broadcasts.

Are you using an SA 8300 box with an HDMI cable?

A_C

LisaM

10-01-07, 12:45 PM

Yes

scott_bernstein

10-01-07, 12:50 PM

Has anyone noticed that TWC NYC is compressing the daylights out of its' HD channels lately? Far more than it has in the past.

I know compression is a fact of life on cable, but lately it's getting really out of hand. Motion artifacts are present with even the most basic movements. It really detracts from the HD experience.

Anyone know who to complain to?

A_C
Yes, I've noticed this by keeping a watch on how much space programming takes up on the hard drive of the DVR. I've made some previous posts about how some of the HD content now takes up 1/2 of the space it used to about 4 months ago (HDNet Movies, Cinemax, UHD, ??>). But, some other HD content (Showtime, CBS, ???) has stayed exactly the same.

It is because they are under a lot of pressure to squeeze more HD channels into less space (they have a long way to go in dropping analog channels to get more bandwidth or adding SDV, or both), so they have been adding more compression to squeeze more HD channels into the same QAM bandwidth. You can check individual channels by tuning them in the DIAGNOSTIC mode and seeing which channels are mapped to the same QAM frequencies. The more HD (or SD, for that matter) channels that they squeeze into the same QAM frequency, the lower the quality for each for each of the channels will be.

I think someone out there posted a map of channels and their QAM frequencies a few months ago. Can someone repost? My assessment of the quality reduction when they squeeze (AKA "multiplex") the channels would be obvious from this chart.

And now I wonder which frequency they stuck TBS-HD on?

Thanks,
Scott

pdroth

10-01-07, 01:02 PM

Agent_C

10-01-07, 01:16 PM

Yes

A well known problem. Nothing you can do until SA writes a software fix and TWC updates the firmware.

Don't hold your breath...

A_C

scott_bernstein

10-01-07, 01:22 PM

It's terrible, with HBO looking the worst lately. Even watching Dexter last night on Showtime their were a lot of motion artifacts - the first time I've seen this on this channel.

Yes, HBO is one of the channels that I have unfortunately noted has having taken a big hit in terms of its bandwidth.

Agent_C

10-01-07, 01:27 PM

broadwayblue

10-01-07, 01:41 PM

Lets hope they don't pull the Met's on you guys, At least there is a much better chance that they make the playoffs with 8 of 15 making it compared to 4 of 15.

True. I'm not saying we're going to run away with the division or anything like that, but I like our chances. It's gonna be a tough season with 32 battles against the Pens, Devils, Flyers, and Isles. But hockey is one of the best sports to watch in HD, so I'm hoping to see as much as possible...that is, when I'm not at the Garden!

broadwayblue

10-01-07, 02:05 PM

451 NBA TV
452 FOX COLLEGE SPORTS ATLANTIC
453 FOX COLLEGE SPORTS CENTRAL
454 FOX COLLEGE SPORTS PACIFIC
455 TENNIS
456 FUEL
457 CSTV

AND SOON - NHL NETWORK

Guess you were right...458 it is!

http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx

nuttyinnyc

10-01-07, 02:08 PM

But hockey is one of the best sports to watch in HD, so I'm hoping to see as much as possible...that is, when I'm not at the Garden!

Really Broadway? With all that white I though it would be one of the worst. You are the hockey fan so you would know better then me. I always thought Nascar, NFL, MLB, NBA?(Still a judgement call), and the NHL in that order for HDTV's as best viewing experience. Finding a black puck on a white screenn on the current technology seemed like a mission impossible.
You are right on one thing, there is nothing like a live game. Being in the stands no matter where you are is an experience everyone should enjoy.

Berk32

10-01-07, 03:24 PM

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

updated with today's changes

http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx
also updated (still stupidly missing 740 Universal HD....)

broadwayblue

10-01-07, 03:25 PM

Really Broadway? With all that white I though it would be one of the worst. You are the hockey fan so you would know better then me. I always thought Nascar, NFL, MLB, NBA?(Still a judgement call), and the NHL in that order for HDTV's as best viewing experience. Finding a black puck on a white screenn on the current technology seemed like a mission impossible.
You are right on one thing, there is nothing like a live game. Being in the stands no matter where you are is an experience everyone should enjoy.

True, there is a lot of white. ;) But hockey has so much fast action and the puck is small, so it's a lot easier to follow along in HD. It looks the best when aired on HD Net...since they don't have to frame it for 4:3 they can set up the shot with the goal on one edge of the shot, and the blue line on the other edge. This really makes it much easier and enjoyable in contrast to the other networks where the camera is following the puck all over the place, usually a little bit behind, making you dizzy all the while...and half the time you don't even see the puck go in the net.

Agent_C

10-01-07, 04:23 PM

ANGEL 35

10-01-07, 05:07 PM

coreynyc

10-01-07, 05:39 PM

Is anyone getting NHL network? All I am getting is the you need to call and subscribe screen....I pay for the HD Combo deal.

MacAlert

10-01-07, 07:37 PM

Is anyone getting CNN in mono and not stereo anymore?

Berk32

10-01-07, 07:40 PM

Is anyone getting NHL network? All I am getting is the you need to call and subscribe screen....I pay for the HD Combo deal.

same

JBBO3314

10-01-07, 07:43 PM

I'm getting TBS-HD audio dropouts already and I also have subscribe screen for NHL Network.

TravKoolBreeze

10-01-07, 08:33 PM

I'm no longer getting the subscribe screen for NHL Net.

Berk32

10-01-07, 08:37 PM

I'm no longer getting the subscribe screen for NHL Net.

same

SnellKrell

10-01-07, 09:00 PM

Does anyone know if TBS-HD is being fed as unencrypted QAM?

I can get TNT-HD on QAM Channel 93.2.

Thanks

AndyHDTV

10-01-07, 09:40 PM

Attention S.I. Customers: If you didn't know, you have lots of room for HD.
If I were you I would contact TWC and demand that the following HD channels be added soon, because TWC has the rights to carry them.

Golf/Versus-HD
CNN-HD
History Channel-HD
Starz Comedy-HD
Starz Edge-HD
Starz Kids & Family-HD
Lifetime Movie Network-HD
Fox Business Network-HD
National Geographic-HD

HDTV Dude

10-01-07, 10:38 PM

Did anyone catch the Padres vs. Rockies wildcard playoff game tonight on TBS HD. The picture quality looked pretty good.

Berk32

10-01-07, 10:50 PM

Did anyone catch the Padres vs. Rockies wildcard playoff game tonight on TBS HD. The picture quality looked pretty good.

'Still' looking good... It aint over

skanter1

10-01-07, 10:51 PM

Did anyone catch the Padres vs. Rockies wildcard playoff game tonight on TBS HD. The picture quality looked pretty good.

Catch it? It's still going on in extra innings!

And, PQ looks better than "pretty good" -- excellent, on par with YESHD feed. Good news for baseball fans!

CynKennard

10-01-07, 11:14 PM

Is anyone getting CNN in mono and not stereo anymore?

Yes! I noticed on Saturday that they were now putting out dolby Digital 1.0. Just the center channel is present. I doubt this has made much of a change in the sound quality as most of their programming is mono anyway. I wonder what happens on the commercials that have stereo sound?

Cynthia

broadwayblue

10-02-07, 12:06 AM

so the NHL Network is up and running. guess i'll just be happy us hockey fans get our own channel...i won't complain about it not being in HD until next year ;)

for now i'll crusade for Golf/Vs HD.

winternj

10-02-07, 04:11 AM

John Mason

10-02-07, 07:02 AM

Yes, I've noticed this by keeping a watch on how much space programming takes up on the hard drive of the DVR. I've made some previous posts about how some of the HD content now takes up 1/2 of the space it used to about 4 months ago (HDNet Movies, Cinemax, UHD, ??>). But, some other HD content (Showtime, CBS, ???) has stayed exactly the same.

It is because they are under a lot of pressure to squeeze more HD channels into less space (they have a long way to go in dropping analog channels to get more bandwidth or adding SDV, or both), so they have been adding more compression to squeeze more HD channels into the same QAM bandwidth. You can check individual channels by tuning them in the DIAGNOSTIC mode and seeing which channels are mapped to the same QAM frequencies. The more HD (or SD, for that matter) channels that they squeeze into the same QAM frequency, the lower the quality for each for each of the channels will be.
I think someone out there posted a map of channels and their QAM frequencies a few months ago. Can someone repost? My assessment of the quality reduction when they squeeze (AKA "multiplex") the channels would be obvious from this chart.

Here's Berk32's frequency-map table (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8257804&postcount=8213) for HD channels from 8/06. Seems you'd need a SD map, too, to see everything they may have tucked into frequency slots. In the past, TWC officials have said they use rate shaping (http://broadcastengineering.com/aps/acquisition/broadcasting_dtv_digital_cable/index.html) for both SD and HD. When that involves requantization (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8011489&&#post8011489) "on the fly," without decoding MPEG-2, that permits a big 'efficiency' boost (more channel space) while diminishing higher frequencies/resolutions.

It would be interesting if someone like codec engineer dr1394, or anyone with the diagnostic software, could show bit-map comparisons (not just bit rates) between original programming and what delivery sources provide after requantization. And, of course, whether the original source--say, a live CBS sporting event--is delivering more than the ~1300 lines (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8865051#post8865051) maximum horizontal effective resolution (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245) (resolvable detail) most seem to be seeing from cable STBs. (Unless CBS also transmits a test pattern, like HDNet might still be doing, that would apparently require some spectrum analysis, like AVSer sspears conducted with 1080/24p movie master tapes some years back (http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2498224#post2498224)).
-- John

bahill

10-02-07, 08:22 AM

Great game last night on our 'new' channel! I thought TBS-HD looked great, and what a wild game! :)

nuttyinnyc

10-02-07, 10:26 AM

I didn't watch the whole game, many other shows to watch instead. The thing that amazed me wwas out of the gate it is being done right. I agree with the poster above that the PQ is in line with the YESHD broadcast. I am very happy to know that the PQ will not disappoint, but we do have a problem. TBS main broadcaster is the boring guy from the Braves games,Skip Caray. He is old school were he mostly calls the action on the field nothing else. I kind of like the constant banter that some announcement teams have as long as it it is baseball talk. From what I saw last night it wasn't bad at all so. I guess I would have to deal with what I get or turn the cvolume down and listen to Suzie and Sterling. I think I rather be bored with the TBS announcers.

benrub

10-02-07, 11:11 AM

I agree the announcers were a little dull but overall I think TBS did a really great job. They showed us the game without any other nonsense. No stupid camera in the dirt looking up at the catcher for example. No catcher-helmet cameras. No interviews with the managers DURING the game. The ads on the backstop wall behind homeplate looked like real ads instead of digital inserts. I despise those phony looking digital ads that FOX uses.

I appreciate that the broadcast was about the GAME and not about TBS.

ImagePree

10-02-07, 11:13 AM

Oddly enough, I could not find TBS-HD.
Channel 708, correct?

LL3HD

10-02-07, 11:30 AM

scott_bernstein

10-02-07, 12:37 PM

Here's Berk32's frequency-map table (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8257804&postcount=8213) for HD channels from 8/06. Seems you'd need a SD map, too, to see everything they may have tucked into frequency slots. In the past, TWC officials have said they use rate shaping (http://broadcastengineering.com/aps/acquisition/broadcasting_dtv_digital_cable/index.html) for both SD and HD. When that involves requantization (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8011489&&#post8011489) "on the fly," without decoding MPEG-2, that permits a big 'efficiency' boost (more channel space) while diminishing higher frequencies/resolutions.

It would be interesting if someone like codec engineer dr1394, or anyone with the diagnostic software, could show bit-map comparisons (not just bit rates) between original programming and what delivery sources provide after requantization. And, of course, whether the original source--say, a live CBS sporting event--is delivering more than the ~1300 lines (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8865051#post8865051) maximum horizontal effective resolution (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245) (resolvable detail) most seem to be seeing from cable STBs. (Unless CBS also transmits a test pattern, like HDNet might still be doing, that would apparently require some spectrum analysis, like AVSer sspears conducted with 1080/24p movie master tapes some years back (http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2498224#post2498224)).
-- John

I did a bunch of poking around last night, and it seems that TBS-HD has been launched on its own QAM frequency, so there is nothing currently to diminish its quality.

UHD seems to have gotten the rawest deal in the last channel shuffle -- it's being broadcast on a QAM freqency LOADED with a bunch of really crappy (recently added) SD channels. I've noted that it now seems to deliver the lowest bitrate of any HD channel we have.

Scott

LL3HD

10-02-07, 12:50 PM

I did a bunch of poking around last night, and it seems that TBS-HD has been launched on its own QAM frequency, so there is nothing currently to diminish its quality..
:cool: Thanks, I guess that explains why it was a pristine picture.

Berk32

10-02-07, 12:52 PM

I did a bunch of poking around last night, and it seems that TBS-HD has been launched on its own QAM frequency, so there is nothing currently to diminish its quality.

UHD seems to have gotten the rawest deal in the last channel shuffle -- it's being broadcast on a QAM freqency LOADED with a bunch of really crappy (recently added) SD channels. I've noted that it now seems to deliver the lowest bitrate of any HD channel we have.

Scott

I was gonna make a new chart this week..... Didn't have a chance last night

coneyparleg

10-02-07, 01:25 PM

Looks like my prediction on using freed up channels for faster internet speeds was true ... My RR extreme was just upgraded from 10Mbps/768kbps to 20Mbps/1Mbps.

I hear RR standard is now 10Mbps/512Kbps

This looks to be cause of my internet slowdown and inconsistant performance over the weekend. At some point last night after rebooting my cable modem and router, I suddnely had a a strong and consistant conection all night and this morning, seemed to faster, I'll run some speedtests when I get home.

nuttyinnyc

10-02-07, 02:14 PM

For the BSG fans in the TWC area, did you guys know that Starbuck is in Bionic Woman also? She plays the first BW, that went bad. I guess she will be pretty busy this year.

mikeM1

10-02-07, 07:02 PM

MacAlert

10-02-07, 07:46 PM

UnnDunn

10-02-07, 10:57 PM

Did anyone else notice that the MONDAY show on YES HD was actually =in= HD, for what i think was the very first time?? I was delighted to see that, as well as TBS HD on Ch 708, but...when i tuned over to TODAY'S Mike and Dog show, it was NOT in HD, there were black bars on either side again. :( Anyone know what the deal is with that show??
Yeah, MMD has been in HD for a while now, I think since early September.

UnnDunn

10-02-07, 10:58 PM

For the BSG fans in the TWC area, did you guys know that Starbuck is in Bionic Woman also? She plays the first BW, that went bad. I guess she will be pretty busy this year.
Too bad not even Katee Sackhoff (Starbuck) can save that show. It looks absolutely horrible.

mikeM1

10-02-07, 11:16 PM

Yeah, MMD has been in HD for a while now, I think since early September.

Cool. I guess i hadn't noticed, since i usually watch the show while working out at the gym, where they don't have any HD TVs. But that still doesn't answer my question: what happened to today's/Tuesday's/ show?? It wasn't in HD. :confused:

TonyNYC

10-03-07, 12:06 AM

so the NHL Network is up and running. guess i'll just be happy us hockey fans get our own channel...i won't complain about it not being in HD until next year ;)

for now i'll crusade for Golf/Vs HD.

I was just happy to see the channel in the TWC lineup. Now I can get some good news from around the NHL instead of waiting for the 2am ESPN News.

jpr281

10-03-07, 02:59 AM

Cool. I guess i hadn't noticed, since i usually watch the show while working out at the gym, where they don't have any HD TVs. But that still doesn't answer my question: what happened to today's/Tuesday's/ show?? It wasn't in HD. :confused:

It's pretty sporadic as to which shows are in HD. Perhaps Doggie being at a remote location (a radio station in Hartford) had something to do with it (not being able to get HD cameras and equipment up there?).

If I remember correctly, I think only Friday of last week was in HD, the reason for that - I have no idea. Like I said before, I haven't figured out why some shows are in HD and some aren't.

But I think they said that when they do remote shows from now on, YES will have them in HD (Yankee Stadium, LCS, and/or World Series, Super Bowl show).

scott_bernstein

10-03-07, 11:46 AM

Yes! I noticed on Saturday that they were now putting out dolby Digital 1.0. Just the center channel is present. I doubt this has made much of a change in the sound quality as most of their programming is mono anyway. I wonder what happens on the commercials that have stereo sound?

Cynthia

Interestingly enough, CNN-International (ch. 133, I believe), has been in DD1.0 for quite a while. I don't think it matters much on a channel like CNN. There is no directional info for a newscast like that.

I wonder if it has anything to do with them possibly ramping up their signal for CNN-HD???? :cool:

scott_bernstein

10-03-07, 11:52 AM

Of course, once the playoffs are over, this is going to be a HUGE waste of bandwidth for us when we could have a *good* HD channel in that slot.

Seriously, what else worthwhile is going to be in HD on TBS-HD after the playoffs are over? And doesn't it seem that it will all be in stretch-o-vision like TNT-HD?

Random drop-ins at TBS-HD have proven me to be correct so far -- when the game is not on, we get nothing but crappy stretched SD. What a waste of bandwidth this channel is going to be! :mad:

Not only do we have TNT-HD wasting an HD slot showing mostly crappy stretched SD, now we've got another channel doing the same exact thing!

Riverside_Guy

10-03-07, 12:30 PM

I know I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather have Golf/Vs over most of the channels SI has that we don't. From what I hear, MHD is garbage, as are some of the others. I'd rather be able to watch my Rangers in HD 10 extra times this season (as well as the early rounds in the playoffs) than watch the same 10 music videos repeat endlessly. TWC has the rights to broadcast the channel for no additional cost, and they have the room. The MLB fans are up in arms about TBS, and they aren't the ones who have already missed their teams play in HD. So no, we need Golf/Vs first.

Tell me about World Cup Ski racing in HD on OL... er Versus and it will be in my top 4 as well! Still, with Drury and Gomez joining Shanny, Jagr, and Avery, this could be a very interesting Rangers season...

Riverside_Guy

10-03-07, 12:36 PM

anyone have problems with there internet in upper manhattan recently?

I'm trying to determine if its the cable, cable modem, or wireless router thats fritzing on me

Ha, I sure have. BUT, looks like it wasn't widespread, apparently, the tap (distribution box in the stairwell) was bad to the point where the return was intermittent. Meant that the "modem" usually took many re-boots to actually sync.

Riverside_Guy

10-03-07, 12:44 PM

Thanks. I'm interested in hearing from others on this. I want to make sure that the issue I'm having is the same as others and not an isolated issue with my equipment.I think the fact that reseting either the cable modem or the wireless router brings a temporary fix points more towards the problem being with the cable internet itself, but I don't understand the tech of it well enough to be sure.

Might you do any bit-torrent? Use Azureus?

This very much can make your internet connection into a quicksand pit...

Riverside_Guy

10-03-07, 12:50 PM

Riverside_Guy

10-03-07, 01:01 PM

Looks like my prediction on using freed up channels for faster internet speeds was true ... My RR extreme was just upgraded from 10Mbps/768kbps to 20Mbps/1Mbps.

I hear RR standard is now 10Mbps/512Kbps

Still running 7M/512k (or 6700/480 to be more accurate). Don't need the bump on down as much as some more up speed!

I've got pals overseas paying half what I pay for 24M/8M service... now THAT is BROADBAND!

Riverside_Guy

10-03-07, 01:05 PM

For the BSG fans in the TWC area, did you guys know that Starbuck is in Bionic Woman also? She plays the first BW, that went bad. I guess she will be pretty busy this year.

Where HAVE you been? Actually, I think they should have reversed the casting and had Katee play Jaime Summers... then again, that does mean she would have to keep playing Starbuck!

broadwayblue

10-03-07, 01:35 PM

Berk32

10-03-07, 01:40 PM

As of October 1, 2007 we launched NHL Network on channel 458. We also launched TBS HD on channel 708 in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens; TBS HD launched on channel 775 in Mt. Vernon.

Effective October 15, 2007 we will launch: C1R Worldwide on channel 522 and Antenna on channel 546.

Effective November 15, 2007 we will launch: Too Much For TV on channel 327.

Blah.....

funny how they don't even list here the massive shifting thats happening on 10/15.... (or the new Fox Business Network addition) - so maybe there's hope for 'unannounced' HD additions...

coneyparleg

10-03-07, 01:54 PM

Might you do any bit-torrent? Use Azureus?

This very much can make your internet connection into a quicksand pit...

I don't but was actually planning to so thanks for the warning, something seemed to fix cause I've been going strong since Monday night

coneyparleg

10-03-07, 01:56 PM

Could it be that running speedtest caused my internet problem?, I just realized that I had ran this just prior to my issues began on Friday evening

AndyHDTV

10-03-07, 02:12 PM

Time Warner Offers Businesses IPTV Suite

Operator Offers 10-Channel News Package In New York Metro Area
By Kent Gibbons -- Multichannel News, 10/3/2007 8:53:00 AM
Time Warner Cable is now offering a 10-channel package of live TV networks, including CNN, CNBC and Fox News Channel, delivered over the Internet to business customers with cable-modem service in the New York City area.

The full suite of networks is: NY1 News, CNN, CNN Headline News, CNN International, CNBC, CNBC World, Bloomberg TV, Fox News, Fox Business News, and The Weather Channel. FBN launches on Oct. 15.

Time Warner Cable Business Class of New York & New Jersey, the cable company’s commercial arm in the region, said the BusinessLink.tv service delivers video via cable modem to customers’ enterprise local area networks over IP multicast connectivity.

The 10-channel IPTV delivery service requires a 4 megabits per second core LAN bandwidth capacity, the company said. It uses existing IP networks and transmits video to Macs or PCs.

“Real-time news straight to your desktop. And avoid the buffering,” reads a promotional message on the company’s Web site. Pricing wasn’t cited, except for a 30-day free offer.

The software-based platform runs on existing hardware and standard operating systems, the company said, “with minimum network resource utilization and a combined audio and video stream to ensure perfect synchronization.”

Time Warner Cable has tested delivery of cable programming, via Internet protocol, to computer devices within the home. But a test in the San Diego area demonstrated insufficient demand to merit a residential service at this time, company officials said early this year.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6486520.html

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 02:14 PM

Did anyone else notice that the MONDAY show on YES HD was actually =in= HD, for what i think was the very first time?? I was delighted to see that, as well as TBS HD on Ch 708, but...when i tuned over to TODAY'S Mike and Dog show, it was NOT in HD, there were black bars on either side again. :( Anyone know what the deal is with that show??
Maybe because The YES network has all these HD cameras sitting around that they decide to loan out to the other shows. Baseball season is over for them until March. They really only need the studio cameras and maybe 2 for the locker postgame shows.

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 02:17 PM

True, there is a lot of white. ;) But hockey has so much fast action and the puck is small, so it's a lot easier to follow along in HD. It looks the best when aired on HD Net...since they don't have to frame it for 4:3 they can set up the shot with the goal on one edge of the shot, and the blue line on the other edge. This really makes it much easier and enjoyable in contrast to the other networks where the camera is following the puck all over the place, usually a little bit behind, making you dizzy all the while...and half the time you don't even see the puck go in the net.
That is what I would have thought, it seems like it would have a dizzying effect. Maybe I will watch more games thie year, especially since I have HDNET this year.

AndyHDTV

10-03-07, 02:22 PM

from another AVS member:

FiOSTV Coming to NYC
15-year franchise agreement negotiated in secret...
01:00PM Wednesday Oct 03 2007 by Karl

Verizon has been conducting conversations with NYC leaders in secret, and are poised to strike a 15-year franchise agreement that could bring FiOSTV to the city, notes the NY Daily News. The paper complains that the secret negotiations leaves locals (and the city council) completely unsure if the deal includes any consumer protections:
Mayor Bloomberg's aides have conducted all the Verizon talks in virtual secrecy. They refuse to share their strategy with the City Council, which authorized the franchise talks in a resolution last year. "People keep calling me and asking, 'When are we getting a Verizon deal?' I tell them, I have no idea," said City Councilman Tony Avella (D-Queens), who heads the city's Franchise and Concessions Committee. Avella says he has tried for 18 months to schedule a City Council public hearing on the cable contracts, but Speaker Christine Quinn, who has built a close relationship with City Hall, has blocked his efforts.
The bit also mentions that NY State is looking into a statewide video franchise, but are including some consumer protections (including network neutrality) that Verizon isn't particularly fond of.

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 02:22 PM

Too bad not even Katee Sackhoff (Starbuck) can save that show. It looks absolutely horrible.
Did you watch it? It wasn't as bad as you make it seem. It was good and watchable. The time period might be congested, but I think it has a good chance to break out this year way before private practice. We will see what happens tonight.

broadwayblue

10-03-07, 02:24 PM

That is what I would have thought, it seems like it would have a dizzying effect. Maybe I will watch more games thie year, especially since I have HDNET this year.

Definitely give hockey on HDNET a look. They do a great job with it.

Berk32

10-03-07, 02:25 PM

Maybe because The YES network has all these HD cameras sitting around that they decide to loan out to the other shows. Baseball season is over for them until March. They really only need the studio cameras and maybe 2 for the locker postgame shows.

New Jersey Nets

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 02:40 PM

Random drop-ins at TBS-HD have proven me to be correct so far -- when the game is not on, we get nothing but crappy stretched SD. What a waste of bandwidth this channel is going to be! :mad:

Not only do we have TNT-HD wasting an HD slot showing mostly crappy stretched SD, now we've got another channel doing the same exact thing!
This is the way most channels will be in the begining until they all have a high tech conversion plant or something similar. Right now most of the stations are upconverting there crap to better looking crap. The only HD stations that look great are the ones that are singular(DiscoveryHD, UniversalHD, and Mr. Cuban's babies) and the main OTA nets for primetime and Live events. All the simulcast stations have been questionable at best untill they show first run shows. This is the only time these stations excel. TNTHD despite criticism has done better lately(at least to me the drama schedule has looked close to the HD version I saw when the same episode premiered on the nets) The movies still need help, but like I Posted here last year, Titanic by far has been TNTHD's best HD performance.

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 02:43 PM

New Jersey Nets
Ooops. forgot about them, but still not that many Cameras needed for a BBall game that is used for babseball.

NYFOOTBALLGIANTS

10-03-07, 02:48 PM

Everyone complains about not having channels, we get them and then everyone complains there is not enough HD content on them.

broadwayblue

10-03-07, 03:05 PM

Anyone have Bob Watson's email?

LL3HD

10-03-07, 03:13 PM

bobwatson@twc.com

edit: this address is wong... it's corrected below...

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 03:15 PM

from another AVS member:

FiOSTV Coming to NYC
15-year franchise agreement negotiated in secret...
01:00PM Wednesday Oct 03 2007 by Karl

In secret, we all knew they were trying to get the deal done, the only question was when?
I know this wasn't from you Andy, but the article is from a reporter sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Back up secret deals is a way of life in this town(remember snapple gate), it is the only way to get things happen faster. Like that congressman said, he wants hearings, that just makes the process longer. The people think hearings are a smoke screen anyway!!! This should be a no-brainer. Competition is good period. It always has been and always will be. Satelite might have been a good substitute but in no ways was it a direct competitor to cable especiallty Now in the digital age we are in now. It offers a better service but for only one of item, TV. But it never led cable to the price war that FIOS TV will. The prices just kept going up on both systems, the only deal was for new customers. IMHO with FIOS TV in the same market it will make TWC think first before they raise prices. This article will be nothing but a setback to getting Verizon FIOSTV the NYC franchise approval.

broadwayblue

10-03-07, 03:19 PM

bobwatson@twc.com

that email address bounced back as undeliverable.

LL3HD

10-03-07, 03:25 PM

broadwayblue

10-03-07, 03:27 PM

I left out the dot after bob.:cool:

Thanks...a google search revealed that very post! The internet is scary sometimes. Anyway, fired off an email about Golf/Vs since the NHL opens tonight and Vs. will air two games.

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 03:37 PM

Everyone complains about not having channels, we get them and then everyone complains there is not enough HD content on them.
Where have you been? This is America the land of the freedom to complain about every little thing.:rolleyes:

TV in 1948 3 channels. WE WANT MORE!!!!
TV in 1979 3 major, 3 local, and 1 PBS. WE WANT MORE!
Cable introduce 55 channels WE WANT MORE!
Upgraded cable 80-90 channels WE WANT MORE!
DTV Cable 250 channels WE WANT MORE!
24 HDTV channels WE WANT MORE!
You see we are never satisfied.

Boy, do I love this country!

mpet29

10-03-07, 03:38 PM

I'm still getting a black screen on 708, TBS HD. So I'm stuck watching this game on channel 8, crappy TBS SD.

Anyone else seeing black?

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 03:44 PM

Thanks...a google search revealed that very post! The internet is scary sometimes. Anyway, fired off an email about Golf/Vs since the NHL opens tonight and Vs. will air two games.
hey I thought you were moving to NC. LOL.
To answer your previous question:
Any chance we might be getting some new channels (including Versus/Golf) on the 15th?
The way TWC saved TBSHD for the last minute anything is possible, especially since Cablevision is way up and the SAT co's are increasing their HD lines lately.
Bold prediction, not really bold because I already said that I believe big changes were coming in November. But going out on a limb, a strong one, I will say you will be very happy oct 15.

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 04:13 PM

Maybe I should move to Raleigh? ;)

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/products/cable/HDTV/raleighNewHDChannels.html

NEW on October 15, 2007

Versus/Golf Channel HD will offer simulcasts of Golf from noon-7 p.m. and of Versus from 7 p.m.-midnight. Versus/Golf Channel HD will feature National Hockey League games and pro boxing from Versus and PGA golf coverage from Golf.

Any chance we might be getting some new channels (including Versus/Golf) on the 15th?
Just for the hell of it I check the HD in Raleigh, NC for you. If it wasn't for the 2 new channels VsHD & A&EHD we would still be ahead of them in HD offerings 24-21. Our three local sports nets tip the scales toward us until they added those staitions and MHD. I was shocked to see that there are many sub-networks in NC and some don't even have DTV, which means no HD. But then again I was going by the TWC web site and we all know how good they are at being up to date!!!.

coreynyc

10-03-07, 04:23 PM

nuttyinnyc

10-03-07, 04:41 PM

I put on a rerun of “The Office” last night and couldn’t believe that they were showing it in stretch-o-vision (letter box black bars at the top & bottom, picture looking distorted)…this is a show that originally aired in full screen HD (unlike a lot of the older reruns like “Friends” that they show)!

I really don’t get it.
You see this is the problem with HD, the Why? I get confused just like you. I saw that same episode and it looked great on NBC HD 3 years ago. While It has already been proven(to me at least) that a simulacast HD stations is subpar to real HD quality. Why is that? TNTHD makes an attempt but shows look stretch and there is obviously a lot of people that dislike TNT's quality. TBS is a sister channel so I wouldn't expect it to get much better anytime soon. Sure the Live games will look great and their first run shows good, but their re-run comedy line-up will be questionable for a while. Also don't forget about TWC their signal can add to the questionable PQ.

Berk32

10-03-07, 05:55 PM

You see this is the problem with HD, the Why? I get confused just like you. I saw that same episode and it looked great on NBC HD 3 years ago. While It has already been proven(to me at least) that a simulacast HD stations is subpar to real HD quality. Why is that? TNTHD makes an attempt but shows look stretch and there is obviously a lot of people that dislike TNT's quality. TBS is a sister channel so I wouldn't expect it to get much better anytime soon. Sure the Live games will look great and their first run shows good, but their re-run comedy line-up will be questionable for a while. Also don't forget about TWC their signal can add to the questionable PQ.

FYI.

Anything you see stretched is not HD..... thats why it looks so bad.

(we don't know why they are unable to provide the original HD versions... as they obviously exist)

broadwayblue

10-03-07, 06:37 PM

hey I thought you were moving to NC. LOL.
To answer your previous question:
Any chance we might be getting some new channels (including Versus/Golf) on the 15th?
The way TWC saved TBSHD for the last minute anything is possible, especially since Cablevision is way up and the SAT co's are increasing their HD lines lately.
Bold prediction, not really bold because I already said that I believe big changes were coming in November. But going out on a limb, a strong one, I will say you will be very happy oct 15.

That's a bit far to commute to Rangers games. ;)

I really hope we get some good news on the 15th. If I only have to miss 1 game this season (10/10 Rangers @ Islanders) it won't be the end of the world.

gooomz

10-03-07, 10:28 PM

Does anyone know the Oppo dgital code so that the TWC Scientific Atlanta Explorer HD Remote will control my Oppo Dvd player?

UnnDunn

10-03-07, 10:36 PM

I put on a rerun of “The Office” last night and couldn’t believe that they were showing it in stretch-o-vision (letter box black bars at the top & bottom, picture looking distorted)…this is a show that originally aired in full screen HD (unlike a lot of the older reruns like “Friends” that they show)!

I really don’t get it.
Apparently, showing syndicated content in HD requires a whole different set of HD-ready equipment than merely retransmitting a live or network broadcast, which is why local stations don't show syndicated stuff in HD yet.

But that comes off as an excuse more than an explanation, since TNT seems to have no problems showing episodes of Charmed, ER and L&O in HD (not stretch-o-vision) much of the time.

bahill

10-03-07, 10:52 PM

mikeM1

10-03-07, 11:10 PM

It's pretty sporadic as to which shows are in HD. Perhaps Doggie being at a remote location (a radio station in Hartford) had something to do with it (not being able to get HD cameras and equipment up there?).

If I remember correctly, I think only Friday of last week was in HD, the reason for that - I have no idea. Like I said before, I haven't figured out why some shows are in HD and some aren't.

But I think they said that when they do remote shows from now on, YES will have them in HD (Yankee Stadium, LCS, and/or World Series, Super Bowl show).

Cool...thanks!:)

LL3HD

10-03-07, 11:11 PM

Nice game on TBS-HD tonight (Picture and result-wise).

I think they need to work a bit on their broadcast skills (which is odd, considering how long they've carried the Braves), but it was fun to watch, and a great game.

Go Sox!I thought TBSHD looked exceptional the other night for the game in Colorado and tonight's picture is fantastic too.

Yeah…:rolleyes: Go Sox…. Bring em on! :cool:

OSUBuckly

10-04-07, 12:08 AM

mpet29

10-04-07, 08:09 AM

I'm still getting a black screen on 708, TBS HD. So I'm stuck watching this game on channel 8, crappy TBS SD.

Anyone else seeing black?

Just me, I guess? Hmm. Not good.

bahill

10-04-07, 09:31 AM

You should call TWC. Looks great up here (726 in Hudson Valley).

JBBO3314

10-04-07, 10:01 AM

Anybody having trouble with ESPN2-HD? I got no picture.

LL3HD

10-04-07, 10:26 AM

I'm just about at my wits' end with Time Warner... Customer service wants to send tech out, and the techs always blame customer service. This has happened 4 times now.....dropping TWC altogether and waiting for FiOS TV to come around. :mad:Curious, did you ever file a complaint? If so, did you get any response from them or satisfaction?

nuttyinnyc

10-04-07, 11:58 AM

Did any one catch Journeyman Last night? I was giving it's second showing chance. It was much better then last season. However, my eyes were amazed at the end. Sure NBC TV shows have looked good in HD. I have yet to have any problems from it's comedies straight to their drams, But the end showed a moving shot of the main couple driving over the Golden Gate Bridge, all I can say is WOW. It really looked like I was in the helicopter looking down. I have always gotten some nice views from live shows but this seemed to be one of the best on a scripted show.

nuttyinnyc

10-04-07, 12:05 PM

Apparently, showing syndicated content in HD requires a whole different set of HD-ready equipment than merely retransmitting a live or network broadcast, which is why local stations don't show syndicated stuff in HD yet.

But that comes off as an excuse more than an explanation, since TNT seems to have no problems showing episodes of Charmed, ER and L&O in HD (not stretch-o-vision) much of the time.
That is what I was saying, some of there shows are in true HD, but why only some of them? I don't think any of the Charmed episodes were broadcast originally in HD maybe just the last season. But they for the most part they look HD to me. (Yes, I watched Charmed, I followed the series when they 1st ran it on TNT. Same thing I did with Buffy when FX statrted reruns.) To me most of their series look about right it is the movies that leave the biggest question marks. If this is true why can't TBS get the comedy series right?

scott_bernstein

10-04-07, 12:31 PM

So far I can't say that I'm seeing any visible degradation due to rate shaping.
Oh, it's BAD. Most movies that I watch on HBO these days have obvious visual picture degredation whenever there's a lot of motion or quick cuts. I watched Tenacious D In The Pick Of Destiny last night, and every time there was a cut to a new scene, or there was a lot of action the picture became quite blocky. If you watch carefully for it, you'll see it. Obviously not everything has a lot of motion or quick cuts, but if you pay attention on the channels that have more of a "squeeze" on them, you'll quite obviously see it.

Riverside_Guy

10-04-07, 01:05 PM

Riverside_Guy

10-04-07, 01:11 PM

nuttyinnyc

10-04-07, 01:27 PM

laying all that fiber JUST for phone and internet is a total waste of resources.

Hey I don't think it is a waste of time at all, if it will make my internet faster (Verizon DSL)and (Verizon freedom pack at $39 per) phone service cheaper. The TV part will just be added bonus but once FIOS is available in my neighborhood. I will be making the switch to phone (cheaper also suppose to eliminate those surcharges that add almost $8 to my phone bill) and internet (broadban 10 x faster thean DSL)immediately. I will wait for the TV, but that switch will all depend on pricing.

Riverside_Guy

10-04-07, 01:30 PM

Oh, it's BAD. Most movies that I watch on HBO these days have obvious visual picture degredation whenever there's a lot of motion or quick cuts. I watched Tenacious D In The Pick Of Destiny last night, and every time there was a cut to a new scene, or there was a lot of action the picture became quite blocky. If you watch carefully for it, you'll see it. Obviously not everything has a lot of motion or quick cuts, but if you pay attention on the channels that have more of a "squeeze" on them, you'll quite obviously see it.

I'll keep an eye on HBO... but something else strikes me. Goes back to some visual studies done a while ago. The point was that when one is concentrating and looking for something "bad" one may easily find it. But if one is just looking at an image overall, they may not notice it at all. The point was that the human eye is one of the most amazing instruments in our bods. In many instances, it automatically adjusts to defects.

Good example... was having a discussion on motion blur with a guy on another forum I have immense respect for as he really, really knows his stuff. He gave me a specific example of how to "see" it. I finally DID see it, BUT it took a long while AND I had to totally concentrate at the very edges of the screen. Which meant I 100% lost site of the action (had to do with a fast break in basketball and seeing motion blur in the crowd, what little of it is actually shown). Yes I did see blur from fast camera movement, but I had to 100% ignore the player bringing the ball up court.

nuttyinnyc

10-04-07, 01:34 PM

so River, getting into politics a bit, do you support the Mayor for trying to do something like this? He is a big business guy but seems to understand the little people, no matter right or wrong he has done a lot of good things in the interest of the people that is new to me from our elected officials. LOL. I think this deal is one that should be expedited and not delayed by politics. It appears to me that he is giving Verizon the standard cable offer. Other thaen TWC complaining, Where is the problem?

Riverside_Guy

10-04-07, 01:43 PM

Hey I don't think it is a waste of time at all, if it will make my internet faster (Verizon DSL)and (Verizon freedom pack at $39 per) phone service cheaper. The TV part will just be added bonus but once FIOS is available in my neighborhood. I will be making the switch to phone (cheaper also suppose to eliminate those surcharges that add almost $8 to my phone bill) and internet (broadban 10 x faster thean DSL)immediately. I will wait for the TV, but that switch will all depend on pricing.

For any corporate entity, "resources" generally refers to money, although time can equate to money. AND I'm talking NOT from a customer view, but from the corporation. Verizon can supply excellent phone service (1000% more reliable than TWC gives me IP access) and reasonable Internet without laying an inch of fiber. No chance in hell the cost of the fiber rollout is justified by just phone and IP service, even if the IP speed is better.

nuttyinnyc

10-04-07, 01:43 PM

I'll keep an eye on HBO... but something else strikes me. Goes back to some visual studies done a while ago. The point was that when one is concentrating and looking for something "bad" one may easily find it. But if one is just looking at an image overall, they may not notice it at all. The point was that the human eye is one of the most amazing instruments in our bods. In many instances, it automatically adjusts to defects.

River, you and me probably have taken the same class. This is what I have been trying to explain to people when it comes to the new technologies of today. "You Look and you WILL find" Our eye's like to play tricks on us or they see what we want them to see. Just like your example shows you really have to focus on something to really see it. But unfortunately the more you focus the worse your TV might seem, so is it really worth looking for all the flaws if you enjoy the picture as a whole?

nuttyinnyc

10-04-07, 01:54 PM

For any corporate entity, "resources" generally refers to money, although time can equate to money. AND I'm talking NOT from a customer view, but from the corporation. Verizon can supply excellent phone service (1000% more reliable than TWC gives me IP access) and reasonable Internet without laying an inch of fiber. No chance in hell the cost of the fiber rollout is justified by just phone and IP service, even if the IP speed is better.

when you put it this way I know what you are saying, Verizon is already the best at what it offers, but realistically. When was the last time our local phone companies updated their lines. The FIOS rollout is updating as well as introducing a new medium for Verizon customers. While the cost of the new service is obviously going to fall on existing customers like myself. Aren't we in the digital age, Don't you think the FIOS service as a whole is a way bring digital service to the community?

mikeM1

10-04-07, 06:07 PM

Anybody having trouble with ESPN2-HD? I got no picture.

This morning??...absolutely! I usually watch Mike & Mike on ESPN2 HD from 6-7AM, and this morning there was nothing to see on that channel but a grey screen on my plasma. The =non= HD ESPN2 was working fine, of course.

mabrym

10-04-07, 07:49 PM

is anyone else only getting about 800 kbs on the internet?

mabrym

10-04-07, 09:09 PM

River, you and me probably have taken the same class. This is what I have been trying to explain to people when it comes to the new technologies of today. "You Look and you WILL find" Our eye's like to play tricks on us or they see what we want them to see. Just like your example shows you really have to focus on something to really see it. But unfortunately the more you focus the worse your TV might seem, so is it really worth looking for all the flaws if you enjoy the picture as a whole?

Does anyone notice a lot more graininess on darker scenes, particularly indoors?

richiekkim

10-04-07, 09:38 PM

Ever since TBS HD launched, there's been no picture or sound whatsoever. Anyone else have this problem? I guess this is the only upside to the Mets being eliminated. Otherwise I'd be seriously pissed off.

Berk32

10-04-07, 11:49 PM

TMSKILZ

10-05-07, 01:01 AM

TBS-HD (CH:708) Baseball PQ has been excellent & on par w/ that on YES-HD (CH:730) just my 2 cents!

Once FIOS is available in my area of Queens, I'll be switching, although I may be in the minority when I say I have been pleased w/ TWC NYC service (Internet & Cable TV) since I signed up 2 yrs ago!

realdeal1115

10-05-07, 08:51 AM

Just a quick question.. what are you TWC guys thoughts on DirectTV? I have been a long time TWC customer but I am thinking of switching. What do you think?

Thanks

bahill

10-05-07, 09:10 AM

I actually switched from DirecTV to TWC when I went to HD (after 7 years of subscribing), just due to the monthly cost increases for going to HD on D*.

The bundled triple play from TWC is so much cheaper, even when you add HD, it just didn't make financial sense to stay with D*. Also not crazy about the "slimline" dish for MPEG-4 HD...it's HUGE compared to the current circle-dish.

Now, it is true that D* is rolling out a whole bunch of HD channels over the next few months, but as long as TWC adds a few more soon, I'll be happy (I'm more of an HD sports junkie, anyway, and they pretty much have that covered).

I wasn't unhappy with D*, just was ready to move on.

ANGEL 35

10-05-07, 09:12 AM

Did any one have problems with USA last night?? Law & order was cut off.Did not get to see the end of the show.Any one else??? It was the new Law & order

Riverside_Guy

10-05-07, 09:17 AM

Just a quick question.. what are you TWC guys thoughts on DirectTV? I have been a long time TWC customer but I am thinking of switching. What do you think?

Thanks

First, the folks who CAN get Direct in this city are few... there's buildings blocking the view and the typical landlord question (will they allow a dish to be mounted?).

If you CAN get it, one thing I think about is that there's no broadband internet. Which means you have to go for the 3Mb service via DSL & Verizon, or if you really need more speed, stay with Road Runner. The issue is that RR costs 15 MORE per month if you do NOT subscribe to other TWC services. It's 60/month, which I find a real rip off.

nuttyinnyc

10-05-07, 10:55 AM

Did any one have problems with USA last night?? Law & order was cut off.Did not get to see the end of the show.Any one else??? It was the new Law & order
I DVRed it and watched this morning with no issues. What a great episode it was, I can't wait till NBC starts the rerun episodes on Sat in HD(Next sat should be the premeire episode repeat if you can wait until then), Then I will just set that airing to record.

LL3HD

10-05-07, 11:06 AM

Ever since TBS HD launched, there's been no picture or sound whatsoever. Anyone else have this problem? TBSHD has been great. The only problem that I’ve had lately is my DVR thinks that it’s always full. With all of these games and new looooong shows like the PBS series The War last week—my storage peaks instantly… but as I watch and delete the damn thing doesn’t know that it’s gone.

I’ve been rebooting now either at night or in the morning to get things in order. This has been working.

nuttyinnyc

10-05-07, 11:32 AM

TBSHD has been great. The only problem that I’ve had lately is my DVR thinks that it’s always full. With all of these games and new looooong shows like the PBS series The War last week—my storage peaks instantly… but as I watch and delete the damn thing doesn’t know that it’s gone.

I’ve been rebooting now either at night or in the morning to get things in order. This has been working.
I had that same problem during premiere week, I tell you. It wasn't easy making sure I didn't miss anything. It just kept showing me that I was close to full. 2 days left! less than a day! This week was much easier. It is friday and I have 5 shows scheduled for tonight alone however, the DVR is clear of warnings. The weird part is that it looks like I have just as many shows waiting to be viewed as I did this time last week. Is it possible that we are using less space per HD show this week compared to last?