I'll apologize for calling you a low tech weirdo as soon as VsHD is added. ;)

But seriously, if it's not HD it's dead to me.

I am psyched about NG HD though!
OK I will continue my Jedi mind games with TWC superiors and try to get it to you before the season is over. At least you can see, the TWC HD universe is expanding so there is some hope. They obviously have agreements for many channels. Unfortunately it is up to someone to decide which one to add when they decide to bring in the new ones. %This is the person we need to write, and I don't thi8nk it is any of the people we already know about.

I left a post earlier today asking if there was a difference in TWC internet speed from 10mbps and 15mbps and I must say that I notice a difference in the speed, I can access webpages a lot faster and all types of downloads are lot faster. I think its worth the extra $10 a month. I hate waiting for downloads. So whoever told me earlier that its not worth it for people like me and you well to me its worth it. However, the 20mbps for an extra $25 a month is not.
I kind of told you that, but I also said to judge it against your downloads, video playback, uploads. Because if you were satisfied with what you have the increased speed won't make that much of a difference. Only you can see if that extra service is worth it. but think about this. We only say just an extra this and just and extras that. But if sit back and look at or those little things that you add to all your household bills It adds up. I know you like the faster download, who woulldn't but is it worth $120 per year. On top of the already loafty charge of 44.95 per month.

Wonder if they will get the 10% discount SI gets right now?

We all can get the 10% discount. that was suppose to be a system wide offer. The ad is up and running on the TWC site for all NY & NJ areas. But that doesn't help you right now because from what you wrote above, You are out!!!!!
I will miss our banter when the FIOS TV franchise agreements are signed. Even then there is no guarantee that you will have access anytime soon so maybe a 2 year agreement would help you give you a chance of a smile with TWC with that little savings you would get monthly. Rather then waiting with no discount you already think (if I remember correctly) that your area will be one of the last areas to be offered FIOS TV. So the any discount you can get today is always good discount.

Except I devoted that extra 5 bucks to HDNet over Cinemax (only available at that price if one has DVR service). All the "first runs" on Cinemax come to HBO a few moths later, so I figured to hold at least some semblance of a line with those bastards at TWC.



Me too, and to be honest it is the best $5 spent on my cable bill. On the weekend when I am not catching up on DVR time, the channel I have on the most is HDnet Movies. So far they have had a good mix of older movies from the 80's with a good mix of 90's and 2000's. I know it will get repetitive one day just like the HBO's and Showtimes doi. But I have faith that Mr Cuban has big plans for his baby Net's.

Just like you River I catch up to the Max premieres on HBO. I waited for Superman and Miami Vice for that month or 2 after the Max premiere. There is no rush because they will come. If I didn't see it at the theater It wasn't a must see to begin with in the first place.

We all can get the 10% discount. that was suppose to be a system wide offer. The ad is up and running on the TWC site for all NY & NJ areas.

Actually, that's not true. I tried, based on the online ad, and was unable to get the discount, even after multiple attempts.

The coding required to implement the discount for my zip code generated an error.

Subsequently, the discount ad and pricing details are no longer available on the website for Manhattan zips.

Me too, and to be honest it is the best $5 spent on my cable bill. On the weekend when I am not catching up on DVR time, the channel I have on the most is HDnet Movies.
Agreed. I LOVE the HDNet channels (though regular HDNet's content seems to be going WAY downhill lately, unless you like Ultimate Fighting, Dan Rather's news reports and British Sci-Fi) -- but HDNet Movies is consistently my favorite movie channel (though their HD transfers are sometimes of questionable quality, to my eyes at least).

Just like you River I catch up to the Max premieres on HBO. I waited for Superman and Miami Vice for that month or 2 after the Max premiere. There is no rush because they will come. If I didn't see it at the theater It wasn't a must see to begin with in the first place.
Yes, the MAX premieres do wind up on HBO. But HBO fills up their schedule with original programming, comedy, and music specials, and shows the "BIG" movies to death, leaving less space for other (deeper catalog) movies. Cinemax is really for movie lovers -- they show a much wider variety of movies (by repeating them less) and dig much deeper into their archives of film classics and foreign films (in HD!) than HBO does.

Actually, that's not true. I tried, based on the online ad, and was unable to get the discount, even after multiple attempts.



It was added to the site yesterday, SO Mybe you can try again. But check your location first. I

Agreed. I LOVE the HDNet channels (though regular HDNet's content seems to be going WAY downhill lately, unless you like Ultimate Fighting, Dan Rather's news reports and British Sci-Fi) -- but HDNet Movies is consistently my favorite movie channel (though their HD transfers are sometimes of questionable quality, to my eyes at least).

I have enjoyed the 2 news proograms weekly. Very informayive and when you have the reporters using HD cameras it reminds me how ugly people can look with no or bad make-up. Plus the space shuttle launches to name one more reason whuile HDNet will stay on my favs list. On my TV HDNets are by far the second and third best PQ. I don't think there was many movies that I wASn't amazed by the PQ. Ihave had issue with only Full Metal jacket on the channel. It look almost identicalo to my bargin basement DVD copywhen played on my TV.

Yes, the MAX premieres do wind up on HBO. But HBO fills up their schedule with original programming, comedy, and music specials, and shows the "BIG" movies to death, leaving less space for other (deeper catalog) movies. Cinemax is really for movie lovers -- they show a much wider variety of movies (by repeating them less) and dig much deeper into their archives of film classics and foreign films (in HD!) than HBO does.

When I had the offer I got earlier this year I did enjoy Max, but like you said it will show a lot of art house and off the radar films, but I am more a mainstream person. So HBO's offerings are good enough for me. But if you do check the daytimne schedule you can get a couple of the off the radar films, not many but it is better then nothing.

In the spring of 2008, Verizon will begin expanding its HD lineup as well as the sports and multicultural program offerings on FiOS TV. Verizon initially will double the current number of HD channels, on a market-by-market basis, to more than 60, including additional sports channels. Verizon expects to have more than 150 HD channels by year-end 2008. Its game over for TWC in NYC.

Verizon expects to have more than 150 HD channels by year-end 2008. Its game over for TWC in NYC. You have a link?

It’s game over without this new information (150 channels). Once they have their franchise set up in NY and their infrastructure—you’d be smart to swap out your TW stock for Verizon.;)

Verizon plans Fivefold Increase in HD Channels on FiOS TV in 2008 (http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-releases/verizon/2007/verizon-plans-fivefold.html)

NEW YORK - Verizon FiOS TV customers will get even more of the high-definition content they love as Verizon today announced plans for a fivefold increase in the number of HD channels, to 150 channels, as well as plans for offering additional HD content through FiOS TV's video-on-demand service. Verizon is also planning a major expansion of sports and multicultural programming on FiOS TV in 2008.

"Once more, Verizon leads the way," said Shawn Strickland, vice president - video solutions. "We launched FiOS TV in 2005 with more HD than most cable and satellite companies, and we know that our HD customers expect us to continue that lead. We're planning a major initiative in 2008 that will give our customers an unprecedented choice of HD and other programming."

Verizon customers already enjoy the most amazing picture quality available over the nation's most advanced digital all-fiber optic network.

In the spring of 2008, Verizon will begin expanding its HD lineup as well as the sports and multicultural program offerings on FiOS TV. Verizon initially will double the current number of HD channels, on a market-by-market basis, to more than 60, including additional sports channels. Verizon expects to have more than 150 HD channels by year-end 2008 as it continues to add to its HD lineup and programmers launch new channels. The company also will add standard-definition sports, multicultural and other programming during the year.

True HD Experience

Because Verizon offers FiOS TV on its fiber-to-the-home network, Verizon has the capacity to provide HD programming without compressing the signal it receives from the programmers.

"FiOS TV delivers a true HD experience," Strickland said. "Unlike some other service providers, Verizon doesn't compromise quality by compressing programming into limited bandwidth. Our fiber-optic network has the capacity to deliver programming the way programmers intended it to be seen."

In addition to the expanded HD channel lineup, Verizon will offer HD programming through its industry-leading video-on-demand library, which already totals more than 10,000 titles. Before the end of 2007, Verizon expects to introduce a limited number of HD on-demand titles, which will increase to more than 1,000 HD titles in 2008.

During 2008, Verizon also will expand the reach of HD programming throughout the home. Through enhancements to the Verizon-exclusive Home Media DVR service, customers will be able to record HD shows and watch them from any room in the house with an HDTV and an HD set-top box.

In the spring of 2008, Verizon will begin expanding its HD lineup as well as the sports and multicultural program offerings on FiOS TV. Verizon initially will double the current number of HD channels, on a market-by-market basis, to more than 60, including additional sports channels. Verizon expects to have more than 150 HD channels by year-end 2008. Its game over for TWC in NYC.
All this means nothing to us right now, all this talk about these other companies with exrtra HD offerings especially the over the top offering like 150 fpr FIOS and 100 for dirctTV. While it sounds good and would be the one great reason why I would leave TWC with out worrying about price. But now I have a choice to get SAT but to me that isn't a option and it isn't an option at all to my Manhattan buddies. FIOS won't be available to NYers until spring 2008 at the earliest, TWC could promise the same thing but that doesn't change what we have now. Right now I could switch to direct tv and that is my only option sure it is 70 HD channel but I have friends that live in Queens and brooklyn that have had reliability issues, sure CSR are 100% better then we have, But signal outages are close to none with TWC.

Hey I am not trying to be confrontational, I like it that we know what is coming, but it is just that a preview Every company makes promises, and none have delievered. Even direct got that huge boost but is still short on their year end promise. We are short changed here but that is slowly getting better, but would you rather have TWC lie and say they will be adding up to 112 channels in the NYC area during the summer time when they really meant Nothern Queens and SI. The rest of you should only expect 3 channels.

In the spring of 2008, Verizon will begin expanding its HD lineup as well as the sports and multicultural program offerings on FiOS TV. Verizon initially will double the current number of HD channels, on a market-by-market basis, to more than 60, including additional sports channels. Verizon expects to have more than 150 HD channels by year-end 2008 as it continues to add to its HD lineup and programmers launch new channels. The company also will add standard-definition sports, multicultural and other programming during the year.



You see this is the part that scares me. they are really promising only 60 channels, but as we already know Mr Dolan is fighting them on our local sports teams rights. So right there is a big loss no matter how many stations they can get. But also TWC is building up towards bigger and better HD offerings, who is to say they won't have everything right before spring. (not you River I know your answer) They were able to to add 11 channels to 2 areas in this region. Plus the 150 is by years end, that claim has botherd me for a long time because there isn't 150 available yet, so what magic ball are they looking into. While many stations have been going the HD path which is very promissing. 70-80 does seem to be the ceiling right now, with an additional 15 if you include VOOM.
Don't get me wrong with my defense of TWC, I will be switching also as long as the price is right and the HD offering is greater. But articles like this one is like a typical scare or get your pressure up newscast report during sweeps periods.

All this means nothing to us right now,


Nothern Queens and SI.It does matter.

Staten Island and the “Woodside” hub are getting these new channels, in part, due to the competition from Verizon. As long as Verizon is causing a stir, TW will have to respond accordingly.

We (AVS Forum members) have our ear to the ground for everything HD etc. Therefore, FIOS is a word that many of us are familiar with for quite some time. I have educated friends, (not AVS members) who have never heard of FIOS or are just starting to hear about it. As more people become aware of looming options….. Competition is a good thing.

It does matter.

Staten Island and the “Woodside” hub are getting these new channels, in part, due to the competition from Verizon. As long as Verizon is causing a stir, TW will have to respond accordingly.

We (AVS Forum members) have our ear to the ground for everything HD etc. Therefore, FIOS is a word that many of us are familiar with for quite some time. I have educated friends, (not AVS members) who have never heard of FIOS or are just starting to hear about it. As more people become aware of looming options….. Competition is a good thing.
You missed my point Larry, The SI and nothern Queens additions is great news for us, it means TWC is not going to lay down and let customers leave at will. The 150 claim is something I have issues with. This is just a claim. It means nothing until we see it for ourselves. But even then it won't be until sprinf at the earliest that the franchise agreement would be active. They can claim all they want we still don't have FIOS TV available here and if you have a friend out in LI that has it they are behind TWC in HD offerings. Let us not forget that they charge extra for Local channels, which iis the majority of our TV time for most of us

it means TWC is not going to lay down and let customers leave at will.


This is just a claim. It means nothing until we see it for ourselves.

No, I think I understand your point. We're on the same page.;)

Let Verizon promise a billion channels. As you said, it doesn’t do anything for us if we can’t get FIOS AND this news, whether it’s fact or fiction, will force TW to react—as they are already doing in SI and Woodside. :cool:

FYI:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/schedule/

According to this, there will be 49 Knicks games available in HD this season.

On MSGHD: All 41 Home games + 5 road games (all in November and December)
On TNT: 1 road game (@ Boston)
On ESPN: 1 road game (no local blackout for ESPN games, even though there is an MSG broadcast)

(all but 1 NBATVHD games will be home games... 1 is in Toronto late in the season... but these games would be blacked out for us anyways)


I forgot to point out.... SINCE the only road HD games listed right now are in November and December - it is VERY likely more Knicks games will be added as the season goes on... so expect much more than just 5 road HD games


Also - I thought I remember reading that all Nets games would be HD on YES this season.... but according to this (http://www.nba.com/nets/schedule/) that doesn't seem to be the case


And as of now - it isn't possible to compile an HD list of Rangers, Islander or Devils games - as there is no reliable listing....
NHL.com only lists all home games (not on MSG2 or FSN NY2) as HD... but we already know the Rangers have gotten a few road HD games on MSGHD this season. (In fact - only 1 Rangers game so far was not 'available' in HD anywhere (if you count Versus........) - and then next one likely won't be until 11/21 (counting an HDNet game that we can't get in NYC))

No, I think I understand your point. We're on the same page.;)

Let Verizon promise a billion channels. As you said, it doesn’t do anything for us if we can’t get FIOS AND this news, whether it’s fact or fiction, will force TW to react—as they are already doing in SI and Woodside. :cool:
So that is wgat the same page looks like. OOOOHHHH AAAAAHHHHH. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

All these promises mean nothing until the true fight begins. And you know what I thick TWC will not lose as many of their 1.4 million subscribers like it would appear on this thread. All that HD meanns nothing with all the surveys that have been done. They keep showing that even though US americans are buying up HDTV's lwiith no end in site. The fact remains that half of these buyers still are not using the needed equipment to watch the HD me you and other here on this thread have come to enjoy.

Even if we take a count of people on this thread that are changing, on the bubble or staying I think we would be dived down the middle. 33% to 33% to 33%, ok divided in thirds.

I forgot to point out.... SINCE the only road HD games listed right now are in November and December - it is VERY likely more Knicks games will be added as the season goes on... so expect much more than just 5 road HD games


Also - I thought I remember reading that all Nets games would be HD on YES this season.... but according to this (http://www.nba.com/nets/schedule/) that doesn't seem to be the case


And as of now - it isn't possible to compile an HD list of Rangers, Islander or Devils games - as there is no reliable listing....
NHL.com only lists all home games (not on MSG2 or FSN NY2) as HD... but we already know the Rangers have gotten a few road HD games on MSGHD this season. (In fact - only 1 Rangers game so far was not 'available' in HD anywhere (if you count Versus........) - and then next one likely won't be until 11/21 (counting an HDNet game that we can't get in NYC))
When I watched the Nets preview Marv did say that all nets home games will be in HD. So I think away games are still a HD on the fly issue. But you know what even the SD games on the HD channel last year looked good. Not HD great but looked much better then what the sister SD channel had.

First Of All I Live In Nyc And I Dont Even Have Verizon Fios Tv/internet Available In My Damn Neighborhood And They Dont Even Know When It Will Be Available So Who Cares Its All Bullshit And False Advertising If U Ask Me.

You see this is the part that scares me. they are really promising only 60 channels

I'm a long time lurker, first time poster.

Now that we've got that out of the way...

They're not even promising THAT. They're promising more than 60 on a "market-by-market basis, including additional sports channels."

Whatever that bit of legalese mumbo-jumbo means, I don't know...

NEW YORK - Verizon FiOS TV customers will get even more of the high-definition content they love as Verizon today announced plans for a fivefold increase in the number of HD channels, to 150 channels, as well as plans for offering additional HD content through FiOS TV's video-on-demand service. Verizon is also planning a major expansion of sports and multicultural programming on FiOS TV in 2008.

"Once more, Verizon leads the way," said Shawn Strickland, vice president - video solutions. "We launched FiOS TV in 2005 with more HD than most cable and satellite companies, and we know that our HD customers expect us to continue that lead. We're planning a major initiative in 2008 that will give our customers an unprecedented choice of HD and other programming."

Verizon customers already enjoy the most amazing picture quality available over the nation's most advanced digital all-fiber optic network.

In the spring of 2008, Verizon will begin expanding its HD lineup as well as the sports and multicultural program offerings on FiOS TV. Verizon initially will double the current number of HD channels, on a market-by-market basis, to more than 60, including additional sports channels. Verizon expects to have more than 150 HD channels by year-end 2008 as it continues to add to its HD lineup and programmers launch new channels. The company also will add standard-definition sports, multicultural and other programming during the year.

You know, I was kind of on the fence until I found out they were gonna offer more standard-definition sports...

Now? Sign me up!

Seriously, I hate TW for the way they killed my DVR, but I'm not ready to drink Verizon's Kool-Aid yet.

First Of All I Live In Nyc And I Dont Even Have Verizon Fios Tv/internet Available In My Damn Neighborhood And They Dont Even Know When It Will Be Available So Who Cares Its All Bullshit And False Advertising If U Ask Me.
wow , breathe uptown, relax. While you ARE right there is no need to go postal. All we can do is wait and see. All the articles mean nothing until Verizon has a francjhise agreement in NYC and as we last check it is still not even on the table of the person that matters. It was rumored to be trying to get approve through the back door. But still nopthing. Even after approval it will be 4 months before Verizon can start-up. Just enjoy what you get because getting worked up won't help your blood pressure!

Yes, the MAX premieres do wind up on HBO. But HBO fills up their schedule with original programming, comedy, and music specials, and shows the "BIG" movies to death, leaving less space for other (deeper catalog) movies. Cinemax is really for movie lovers -- they show a much wider variety of movies (by repeating them less) and dig much deeper into their archives of film classics and foreign films (in HD!) than HBO does.

AND that "deeper catalog" seems to include far more salacious content than HBO!

I remember last New Years weekend when they did a free preview of Cinemax. There was an actual HD soft-core movie run... naturally I had to check on the video quality. It WAS quite nice. As 80-85% of the overall image was flesh tones, I could tell it was a good transfer!

on a friedly note for some but not all:

Thank you for your recent correspondence to Time Warner Cable.

We apologize for any incorrect information that you may have received.

In reference to your inquiry, only customers in Brooklyn or Queens, that
have a Triple Play Package will be eligible for our 1 year & 2 year
Service Agreements.

If you have any additional questions or need future assistance, please
contact us at support_nyc@twcable.com or call our 24 hour Customer
Support Line at 212 or 718-358-0900.

Sincerely,

Time Warner Cable
Customer Support

It appers that I have a correction to our previous confussion. The web site was wrong again. It appears that only 2 areas can get the commitment discount I suggest that our neighborhood SIer (UNDUNN) should call to see if he can get it because I remember them saying it was initially an SI offer only. Sorry city folk you are left to brew again.

AND that "deeper catalog" seems to include far more salacious content than HBO!

I remember last New Years weekend when they did a free preview of Cinemax. There was an actual HD soft-core movie run... naturally I had to check on the video quality. It WAS quite nice. As 80-85% of the overall image was flesh tones, I could tell it was a good transfer!
Yes it did lkook nice! LOL. Aren't we getting the multi channel preview again? I remember reading it but don't remember if it was thanksgiving weekend or Christmas week.

It was added to the site yesterday, SO Mybe you can try again. But check your location first. I

Maybe in your area, but not for Manhattan. I just doubler checked the Packages and Pricing page for my zip... nothing about ANY discounts! I have seen with my own eyes the SI page when they first offered it to them 6 months ago. It very much WAS plainly spelled out what the discount was. Matter of fact, I sure as hell saw 10% for one year, 20% for 2 years. THAT was changed to 5% and 10% shortly thereafter. NONE of that is listed for Manhattan. Still true we get far less and pay more for it, especially now that Woodside is being blessed with 9 additional HD channels.

It does matter.

Staten Island and the “Woodside” hub are getting these new channels, in part, due to the competition from Verizon. As long as Verizon is causing a stir, TW will have to respond accordingly.

We (AVS Forum members) have our ear to the ground for everything HD etc. Therefore, FIOS is a word that many of us are familiar with for quite some time. I have educated friends, (not AVS members) who have never heard of FIOS or are just starting to hear about it. As more people become aware of looming options….. Competition is a good thing.

I 100% believe you are totally and completely correct. They clearly think they can stick it to us in Manhattan as long as possible and get away with it. This I will ALWAYS remember and NEVER FORGET. Come the time I can get FIOS TV (phone and IP) I'm there AND I will become a BIG booster for them.

If you think about it, it amounts to discrimination based on address. Which isn't all that different than discrimination based on religion or skin color (which admittedly are more egregious). How would you feel if those of us who had to walk 1-2 blocks to public transportation paid 20% LESS than those that had to walk farther? Same thing, that would struck it to my buds in the outer boroughs... something I would be just as upset over even if I greatly benefitted from such a policy.

AND you can add in the apparent fact that our government, who is SUPPOSED to prevent such things, stands idly by doing absolutely nothing. AND riddle me this...how come they seem to be refusing to grant Verizon it's franchise agreement to offer TV services?

on a friedly note for some but not all:

Thank you for your recent correspondence to Time Warner Cable.

We apologize for any incorrect information that you may have received.

In reference to your inquiry, only customers in Brooklyn or Queens, that
have a Triple Play Package will be eligible for our 1 year & 2 year
Service Agreements.

If you have any additional questions or need future assistance, please
contact us at support_nyc@twcable.com or call our 24 hour Customer
Support Line at 212 or 718-358-0900.

Sincerely,

Time Warner Cable
Customer Support

It appers that I have a correction to our previous confussion. The web site was wrong again. It appears that only 2 areas can get the commitment discount I suggest that our neighborhood SIer (UNDUNN) should call to see if he can get it because I remember them saying it was initially an SI offer only. Sorry city folk you are left to brew again.

Hmmm, this is a tad odd. While I could be wrong, I don't remember it being such that one HAD to subscribe to their phone service, but it's clear from this that one DOES have to. I've had multi-day outages (4-5 days each time, 2 of those times IP only, once ALL services), 3 times in the past 2 years so their phone service is 100% unacceptable.

Hmmm, this is a tad odd. While I could be wrong, I don't remember it being such that one HAD to subscribe to their phone service, but it's clear from this that one DOES have to. I've had multi-day outages (4-5 days each time, 2 of those times IP only, once ALL services), 3 times in the past 2 years so their phone service is 100% unacceptable.
you see I am with you I do remember the early ad saying a double play packages is good enough fior the discount. In fact I remember it being only a commitment would be required, but apparently I and most of us are misinformed again. But this info I gave is their story as of this morning so read what you can from it.
As for the website issue, I call BS, because it is obvious it is location dedicated so they don't need to advertise offers for everyone when it ius obviously only available for some. I think they outsource their web page service and TWC just sends them things that should be entered..Right here is the problem because that person doesn't give the right info. There are 4-5general areas on the web site and should be addressed accordingly. Even though this Queens thing has devided it even more so. Especially for us Southern Queens folk.

I 100% believe you are totally and completely correct. They clearly think they can stick it to us in Manhattan as long as possible and get away with it. This I will ALWAYS remember and NEVER FORGET. Come the time I can get FIOS TV (phone and IP) I'm there AND I will become a BIG booster for them.

If you think about it, it amounts to discrimination based on address. Which isn't all that different than discrimination based on religion or skin color (which admittedly are more egregious). How would you feel if those of us who had to walk 1-2 blocks to public transportation paid 20% LESS than those that had to walk farther? Same thing, that would struck it to my buds in the outer boroughs... something I would be just as upset over even if I greatly benefitted from such a policy.

AND you can add in the apparent fact that our government, who is SUPPOSED to prevent such things, stands idly by doing absolutely nothing. AND riddle me this...how come they seem to be refusing to grant Verizon it's franchise agreement to offer TV services?
wow river I knew you were HOT but this is pure hatred. This isn't healthy you need to go out and get some pouluted air outside your building or something. I understand where you are coming from because back when Cable was new we didn't get it to the late 80's So I understand that being last to get stuff. Like I mention above getting so heated doesn't help because what can we do? We do not have an option and all we can do is take it up the ass and wait. Remember we are part of that 15 5 that has HDTV's and the right equipment to use it, but that is still a very small perecentage of the 1.4 mill subscribers in this area. So all our letters and complaints go to death ears because the general public are happy with their service. and the HDTV unlike us think evey channel that says is "broadcast in HD" really is. Until that changes TWC in NYC will not rush to oberload its system. Just do what I do sit back tonight relax pepsi in one hand snack in the other and watch CBS or NBC whicdoes have good HD night.

I just thought I'd report a bit of good (at least for me) news:

I have resisted installing an external drive because of the much-discussed trick play bug. But recently I really needed the extra space, so I bit the bullet and installed an external drive (planning to possibly remove it when my usage declined a bit).

I'm happy to report that live trick play seems to be only partially disabled. Rewind and FF indeed do not work for live TV. But, pause and "instant replay" (the 30ish second jump backwards) do seem to work fine. These two are very important. Pause allows me to answer the door when the pizza arrives. :-) And, instant replay allows me to go back if I didn't hear something - if my fingers are quick enough.

I don't get to FF past commercials and dull parts, but I might be able to live with these restrictions.

-barry

wow , breathe uptown, relax. While you ARE right there is no need to go postal. All we can do is wait and see. All the articles mean nothing until Verizon has a francjhise agreement in NYC and as we last check it is still not even on the table of the person that matters. It was rumored to be trying to get approve through the back door. But still nopthing. Even after approval it will be 4 months before Verizon can start-up. Just enjoy what you get because getting worked up won't help your blood pressure!

Im relaxed but im tired of all this advertising for fios and its not even available to everyone, they should not advertising technology if they cant offer it now. When its available then advertise it. Its like my boss offering me a raise but not giving it to me.

Im relaxed but im tired of all this advertising for fios and its not even available to everyone, they should not advertising technology if they cant offer it now. When its available then advertise it. Its like my boss offering me a raise but not giving it to me.
I hear you I am in the construction industry but on this project we are having a Joint effort and the other employees talk about a per project bonus. Something my company doesn't give. But what are we going to do.
You have to remember that all channels have local and national commercials so you won't win. we will always get commercials that don't effect us. This is why we see Comcast snd Cable vision commercials/

It will be very interesting to see how much penetration Verizon Fios will be able to achieve in Manhattan high-rise apartment buildings. In many buildings (mine included), TWC has obtained the exclusive right to use the cable wires for the next 2 decades+. Thus, while other cable or satellite companies can come into the building, they would not be able to piggy back on the current wires and would have to re-wire the building, which is both a costly proposition as well as a real issue in terms of hallway decor, etc...

It will be very interesting to see how much penetration Verizon Fios will be able to achieve in Manhattan high-rise apartment buildings. In many buildings (mine included), TWC has obtained the exclusive right to use the cable wires for the next 2 decades+. Thus, while other cable or satellite companies can come into the building, they would not be able to piggy back on the current wires and would have to re-wire the building, which is both a costly proposition as well as a real issue in terms of hallway decor, etc...

The FCC just struck that down the other day. Exclusive contracts are no longer allowed.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200710311408DOWJONESDJONLINE001032_FORTUNE5.htm

But, pause and "instant replay" (the 30ish second jump backwards) do seem to work fine. These two are very important.
This is not true (assuming that you are on Passport -- i.e. that you have an 8300HD -- not HDC):
Pause works. "Instant Replay" rewinds you to the beginning of your buffer -- which is either when you tuned to the channel or 1 hour back in your buffer if you have been tuned to the channel for more than 1 hour.

Scott

The FCC just struck that down the other day. Exclusive contracts are no longer allowed.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200710311408DOWJONESDJONLINE001032_FORTUNE5.htm


NY State has already had this law for a number of years!

It hasn't been enforced.

They don't have an exclusive contract in that other providers can theoretically come into the building providing that they agree to re-wire the building, which is an expensive proposition. It also requires the condo or coop to agree to allow new wires to be run, which will definitely be a problem in many luxury buildings which have expensively decorated hallways and do not want to allow any changes to them.

I know about the FCC decision but I'm not sure how quickly the exclusive right to use the cable wires will be taken away since that is an asset which was negotiated and paid for in each building. If Verizon can't use the existing wires, they will have to negotiate the right to re-wire as above.

I just thought I'd report a bit of good (at least for me) news:

I have resisted installing an external drive because of the much-discussed trick play bug. But recently I really needed the extra space, so I bit the bullet and installed an external drive (planning to possibly remove it when my usage declined a bit).

I'm happy to report that live trick play seems to be only partially disabled. Rewind and FF indeed do not work for live TV. But, pause and "instant replay" (the 30ish second jump backwards) do seem to work fine. These two are very important. Pause allows me to answer the door when the pizza arrives. :-) And, instant replay allows me to go back if I didn't hear something - if my fingers are quick enough.

I don't get to FF past commercials and dull parts, but I might be able to live with these restrictions.

-barry
Wow, that would be totally unacceptable for me. Till they fix that bug, no way am I adding an external drive....that's ridiculous.

This is not true (assuming that you are on Passport -- i.e. that you have an 8300HD -- not HDC):
Pause works. "Instant Replay" rewinds you to the beginning of your buffer -- which is either when you tuned to the channel or 1 hour back in your buffer if you have been tuned to the channel for more than 1 hour.

Scott

I assume that you are correct. I do have Passport, but I'm pretty sure I tested the Instant Reply shortly after I changed the channel, so it may well have jumped to the beginning of the buffer, and I thought it was just replaying some seconds. Thanks for the warning. It would be annoying to try to skip back a few seconds to pick up some words and end up skipping back an hour.

-barry

Wow, that would be totally unacceptable for me. Till they fix that bug, no way am I adding an external drive....that's ridiculous.

Yep, I resisted for a long time, but now I just need the extra space. There are a lot of shows in the new season that I'm still deciding whether to watch or not.

Presumably, they will not fix the bug under Passport, but hopefully it doesn't happen in Navigator.

-barry

p.s. Don't forget that the bug only affects live TV. Recorded shows work exactly as before.

Wow, that would be totally unacceptable for me. Till they fix that bug, no way am I adding an external drive....that's ridiculous.

I added my external drive over a year ago. At this point there's no way I could live without it. Since I watch HD almost exclusively the 8300HD's internal hard drive is not sufficient for me. Adding a 400gb drive has made a huge difference. The key to dealing with the trick play bug is to remember to hit the record button before you hit RW/FF/Pause or whatever. To me this inconvenience is more than compensated for by having more than triple the storage capability. For less than the cost of one month of cable I no longer have to worry about disk space. It's especially useful for archiving entire seasons of shows to watch over the summer when there's nothing on. Plus, the main point of a DVR is to free yourself from live television.

wow river I knew you were HOT but this is pure hatred. This isn't healthy you need to go out and get some pouluted air outside your building or something. I understand where you are coming from because back when Cable was new we didn't get it to the late 80's So I understand that being last to get stuff. Like I mention above getting so heated doesn't help because what can we do? We do not have an option and all we can do is take it up the ass and wait. Remember we are part of that 15 5 that has HDTV's and the right equipment to use it, but that is still a very small perecentage of the 1.4 mill subscribers in this area. So all our letters and complaints go to death ears because the general public are happy with their service. and the HDTV unlike us think evey channel that says is "broadcast in HD" really is. Until that changes TWC in NYC will not rush to oberload its system. Just do what I do sit back tonight relax pepsi in one hand snack in the other and watch CBS or NBC whicdoes have good HD night.

Yeah, I understand I was being a tad incendiary (perhaps a tad too much). On purpose. Still, the actual net effect is much the same... one could also say that what they are doing is morally wrong on so many levels. I suppose one could say I'm prepping y'all for my campaign to have them lose as many subs as possible once we get and actual choice. Unfortunately, the execs probably won't have to return the millions in bonuses they got for creating such huge profits for them by essentially screwing the customers simply because they can.

They don't have an exclusive contract in that other providers can theoretically come into the building providing that they agree to re-wire the building, which is an expensive proposition. It also requires the condo or coop to agree to allow new wires to be run, which will definitely be a problem in many luxury buildings which have expensively decorated hallways and do not want to allow any changes to them.

I know about the FCC decision but I'm not sure how quickly the exclusive right to use the cable wires will be taken away since that is an asset which was negotiated and paid for in each building. If Verizon can't use the existing wires, they will have to negotiate the right to re-wire as above.

I think there are certain "rights" that a cable outfit gets when they have that franchise agreement. I think it has to do with a building owners not being able to block or prevent any tenant from availing themselves of the service. We had a "tiff" with TWC when they wanted to perform surgery like we didn't want (they wanted to drill 8 inch holes in each stairway landing to run conduit). The "we didn't want" part was because we spent a small fortune literally burying a bunch of wires inside the walls all the way into each apartment. The MOST secure thing in the world (the wire was 3 4-wire telco style and 2 co-ax). It actually would have been MORE secure for them to hook into out wiring in the basement. They didn't want to and we had layers talk. Ended up we were totally powerless BECAUSE of the franchise agreement.

Besides, we ARE talking about Verizon running fiber, so there are no issues with existing cooper, Verizon won't be using it (AFAIK).

there must have been some technical reason the coax was not used. was verizon and twc consulted prior to the building running these cables?

it would have been easier and cheaper for twc to have distribution in 1 centrally located point (in your case basement) if no technical issues exist (ie excessively long cable runs, wire up to standard, etc). if your building is more than 6 stories, likely the runs would be too long. theres a lot of cost, and liabilities to coredrilling into stairways, mounting metal lockboxes and moulding in hallways

in greenfields (new construction), there are dedicated telecom rooms typically every 3 floors..sometimes every floor depending on density. from there at least 1 coax to a neutral point in apartment such as a panel or demarc point in closet. from there , there is coax to each room. several years back coax was looped from jack to jack in each room.


I think there are certain "rights" that a cable outfit gets when they have that franchise agreement. I think it has to do with a building owners not being able to block or prevent any tenant from availing themselves of the service. We had a "tiff" with TWC when they wanted to perform surgery like we didn't want (they wanted to drill 8 inch holes in each stairway landing to run conduit). The "we didn't want" part was because we spent a small fortune literally burying a bunch of wires inside the walls all the way into each apartment. The MOST secure thing in the world (the wire was 3 4-wire telco style and 2 co-ax). It actually would have been MORE secure for them to hook into out wiring in the basement. They didn't want to and we had layers talk. Ended up we were totally powerless BECAUSE of the franchise agreement.

Besides, we ARE talking about Verizon running fiber, so there are no issues with existing cooper, Verizon won't be using it (AFAIK).

It will be very interesting to see how much penetration Verizon Fios will be able to achieve in Manhattan high-rise apartment buildings. In many buildings (mine included), TWC has obtained the exclusive right to use the cable wires for the next 2 decades+. Thus, while other cable or satellite companies can come into the building, they would not be able to piggy back on the current wires and would have to re-wire the building, which is both a costly proposition as well as a real issue in terms of hallway decor, etc...

likely you will see availbility of fios in new construction buildings than existing buildings. it will be long time before your see fios widely available in manhattan. outer boroughs where cable and phone plant are on poles you will see it quicker. and of course where you see competition is where u will likely see more hd channels and multiyear discounts ;-)

likely you will see availbility of fios in new construction buildings than existing buildings. it will be long time before your see fios widely available in manhattan. outer boroughs where cable and phone plant are on poles you will see it quicker. and of course where you see competition is where u will likely see more hd channels and multiyear discounts ;-)

Sorry but you are wrong about older buildings. The buildings in my area are between 20-30 years old and they are all getting Fios. Verizon is installing fios in new buildings that are going up in the city and existing ones. When verizon was installing fios in my building the installers told me that their were 6 other building in my area that were being wired and that was 8 months ago. Verizon hires contractors to do the fiber install in the building and then they inspect and take over once it is complete. So fiber role out happens on a large scale for the mdu's. Verizon will most likely be finished with Fios in the city in 3 years.

Hmmm, this is a tad odd. While I could be wrong, I don't remember it being such that one HAD to subscribe to their phone service, but it's clear from this that one DOES have to. I've had multi-day outages (4-5 days each time, 2 of those times IP only, once ALL services), 3 times in the past 2 years so their phone service is 100% unacceptable.

I am getting the 10% discount in Queens with the Double Play Package only.

Yep, I resisted for a long time, but now I just need the extra space. There are a lot of shows in the new season that I'm still deciding whether to watch or not.

Presumably, they will not fix the bug under Passport, but hopefully it doesn't happen in Navigator.

-barry

p.s. Don't forget that the bug only affects live TV. Recorded shows work exactly as before.
Barry comit time to the shows beccause with a external drive you still won't be able to catch up because you will lose site with the extra space. But thios season has been one like I have necer seen in years. There have been more season pick ups then cancelations. There are still three nights a week that I am pulling double duty on. Usually by the NoI am missing pushing daisies because I think these kids can do it. vember sweeps I was already looking forward to the spring replacements. I want to see chuck make the prison break which has kept me away from the surprise hit of the winter, by surprises I am not talking about the high ratings because last spring they were already getting high, but the fact that they are making Grey's and CSI fight for second. Kville still has me asking where are all the NOer;s but combined with Heroes I don't get to ask Samamtha who? Friday is the least watch night on TV but right night now for me at least it is the most DVRed night of the week. With 7 hrs. What are the networks doing? What happened to that quick trigger finger? That had the nine and the invasion canceled before the initial nine when still holding on to LOST fading numbers and averaging ovrer 10 mil easily.

Yeah, I understand I was being a tad incendiary (perhaps a tad too much). On purpose. Still, the actual net effect is much the same... one could also say that what they are doing is morally wrong on so many levels. I suppose one could say I'm prepping y'all for my campaign to have them lose as many subs as possible once we get and actual choice. Unfortunately, the execs probably won't have to return the millions in bonuses they got for creating such huge profits for them by essentially screwing the customers simply because they can.
yeah one could say you are prepping us to defect with you, but unfortunately you will get the service a long time after I get it or orthers here. So if I leave it is because I want to and I might be one of the first to tell you "it is worth the wait" .
However, despite this you have a very good argtument about the rich getting richer and it has to stop. Why are they taking the big bonus home when they aren't givinh more then %75 satisfaction. Companies look at that satisfaction rate as gospel, but for some reason TWC doesn't, Let's foprget the HD issue for a minute, look at the general subscriber feeling. Most of us look at TWC as a company that has an unknowlegeable CSR and management team. Technicians that are looking for an extra buck and a company that is alwayys looking to increase charges. But these are sentiments that were established in the 80's and still surface today. That would be uncalled for in the Auto industry, Audi had major problems in the 80's and they bounced back in a big way. The food industry wouldn't be able to start any neew brand if the food is being released at 25% ubsatified rating let alone the 75% or greater that cable is at. We need a bigger voice ad we need it now, because the governmebt thought SAT would put cable in it's place and all it did was put a bandaide on deep cut that still hasn't healed

I am getting the 10% discount in Queens with the Double Play Package only.
That is good to know, but since I have single play I would still be torn on what my double will be.

Does anyone know if TWC-NYC will be carrying Versus in HD anytime soon?

Also does anyone have problems with the (new) SA 8300 HD-DVR (with the cable card)? Mine skips shows, forgets to record, won't FF past 3x and other odd issues.

Does anyone know if TWC-NYC will be carrying Versus in HD anytime soon?


http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html
(or check back a few pages in this thread)

"Woodside Queens" and Staten Island are getting it in December.........

As for the rest of us.... :mad::mad:

(we are getting FSNY-HD and Nat Geo. HD on 11/15 though)

Does anyone know if TWC-NYC will be carrying Versus in HD anytime soon?

Also does anyone have problems with the (new) SA 8300 HD-DVR (with the cable card)? Mine skips shows, forgets to record, won't FF past 3x and other odd issues.
VS HD is coming December 13 to SI and the Woodside, Queens cable systems.

any idea when a software update will be released for the samsung hd box? Im getting tired of the software and might return it for a SA.

any idea when a software update will be released for the samsung hd box? Im getting tired of the software and might return it for a SA.
what software do you have with the samsung box? The SA boxes come with the critically banned Navigator software so you are now in a no win situation.

As for the rest of us.... :mad::mad:



I hate you TWC. I gave my tickets away to the Rangers/Flyers game tonight because I'm sick...and now I'm stuck with an SD broadcast. To make matters worse, tomorrow's game is on Vs. too! :(

I hate you TWC. I gave my tickets away to the Rangers/Flyers game tonight because I'm sick...and now I'm stuck with an SD broadcast. To make matters worse, tomorrow's game is on Vs. too! :(
what type of fan are you? Through thick and thin. Rain or shine. They don't take off when they are sick and neither should you. You disappoint me I thought Broadwayblue was your loyalty to the team but it really is your location and how you feel!!!!!

I hate you TWC. I gave my tickets away to the Rangers/Flyers game tonight because I'm sick...and now I'm stuck with an SD broadcast. To make matters worse, tomorrow's game is on Vs. too! :(

:D I'll be there tonight :D

But I am pissed that a local game vs NYI tomorrow is going to be in SD for the majority of Rangers fans....

:D I'll be there tonight :D

But I am pissed that a local game vs NYI tomorrow is going to be in SD for the majority of Rangers fans....
At least in a week we get those FSNYHD so the Islander and Devil Home games will be inHD so you guys won't miss those away games anymore in HD.

Are there any TW customers out there researching alternative options?


I’m exploring any way that I can improve and/or reduce my costs for HD and the internet. I don’t have FIOS available to my area currently so that is not an internet option. Is anyone using Wild Blue (http://www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/index.jsp)for the internet? Are there other decent Internet sources that any one could suggest?

Just to add to the above post….^^^

I priced out DirecTV and it’s about $100 per month. This includes 2 HD DVRs and their premium HD package with everything HD. It doesn’t include that NFL package. This is for 24 months. It does go up ten bucks after three months and there is a charge for $300 for the second HD DVR.

They offer the internet through this Wild Blue thing with various pricing packages. If I add a phone through Verizon I’ll probably be around the same pricing as the TW “triple play” but with DirecTV I’ll have a lot more HD and supposedly a better picture quality.

I just thought I’d float this out there to those that have satellite options to see what their thoughts are on this. Personally, I’m on the fence.

Why is woodside getting all those HD channels and we aren't?

Why is woodside getting all those HD channels and we aren't?

From another forum I read a few months back, there was chatter that Verizon was wiring up Woodside with fiber, but it came to a halt.

No update on this or if this is even factual, but to just give my area all those HD channels does seem odd.

Just to add to the above post….^^^

I priced out DirecTV and it’s about $100 per month. This includes 2 HD DVRs and their premium HD package with everything HD. It doesn’t include that NFL package. This is for 24 months. It does go up ten bucks after three months and there is a charge for $300 for the second HD DVR.

They offer the internet through this Wild Blue thing with various pricing packages. If I add a phone through Verizon I’ll probably be around the same pricing as the TW “triple play” but with DirecTV I’ll have a lot more HD and supposedly a better picture quality.

I just thought I’d float this out there to those that have satellite options to see what their thoughts are on this. Personally, I’m on the fence.
My HO Larry, I am assuming you have a cable modem, So no matter ewshat some fanboys might say about Sat, If you want the internet you are already using the best option available to you. If you aren't interested or care much about speed just savings then I recomend Verizon DSL. I have that at home and with the one bill package only pay $30 a month.
As for Sat, it does provide the better overall signal. This has been well documented. But think about the upfront cost that makes the "trying to save money" need, something that you wouldn't be able to start doing for years. Sure you will be in HD heaven, but don'tet them fool you theor triple play offer is shorter then TWC offers. Check all fine print.

there must have been some technical reason the coax was not used. was verizon and twc consulted prior to the building running these cables?

it would have been easier and cheaper for twc to have distribution in 1 centrally located point (in your case basement) if no technical issues exist (ie excessively long cable runs, wire up to standard, etc). if your building is more than 6 stories, likely the runs would be too long. theres a lot of cost, and liabilities to coredrilling into stairways, mounting metal lockboxes and moulding in hallways

in greenfields (new construction), there are dedicated telecom rooms typically every 3 floors..sometimes every floor depending on density. from there at least 1 coax to a neutral point in apartment such as a panel or demarc point in closet. from there , there is coax to each room. several years back coax was looped from jack to jack in each room.

Far as I know, there were NOT any "technical" issues, but I think the discussions began with TWC at the incept of "our" re-wiring project. Their "side" was that they had every right to do there own wiring, citing security issues (previously, it was loose wire running up the stairwells). Building is 10 floors, but the coax used was specced to not cause any issues; at the time we were getting "solicited" by RCN.

I only brought it up because it seems the issue may still be alive when I read that buildings are "refusing" to let Verizon run their fiber. Then again, it sure SEEMS that Verizon is being blocked from getting said franchise agreement...

I am getting the 10% discount in Queens with the Double Play Package only.

Makes it more than abundantly clear they are 100% sticking it to Manhattan residents (and I can realize that may make a lot of folks happy who don't live in Manhattan). Making it even more clear my "we pay more for less" is 100% accurate.

Does anyone know if TWC-NYC will be carrying Versus in HD anytime soon?

Also does anyone have problems with the (new) SA 8300 HD-DVR (with the cable card)? Mine skips shows, forgets to record, won't FF past 3x and other odd issues.

Uh, never saw anything past 3x. In Passport, we have 3 FF speeds. 1x is great for between plays of a football game, 2x is excellent for blasting past commercials, and 3x is good for when you want to pick up a show after 15+ minutes.

..I recomend Verizon DSL. I have that at home and with the one bill package only pay $30 a month..What does your Verizon “package” include? Is that with land line service too or is just for internet?

Regarding the initial costs for DirecTV, remember, there are no monthly rental charges for the two HD DVRs. It’s only about 13 bucks a month over two years and then it's mine.

I’m still on the fence but will continue to investigate the options and appreciate any feed back.

(we are getting FSNY-HD and Nat Geo. HD on 11/15 though)

Exactly what HD may we see on FSNY? Far as can tell, I'm missing out on some HD hockey because we don't get VS HD.

what software do you have with the samsung box? The SA boxes come with the critically banned Navigator software so you are now in a no win situation.

"Critically banned?" We should be so lucky!

Exactly what HD may we see on FSNY? Far as can tell, I'm missing out on some HD hockey because we don't get VS HD.

FSNY will have a few Rangers games this season....

FSNY will have a few Rangers games this season....

Funny, I've already heard about 4-5 games where the only HD I can get is with VS. And I think those were Rangers/Islanders and Rangers/Devils.

Contrast MSG with YES. Not sure of the exact details, but YES seems to have managed to bring us ALL Yankee games in HD, period. Then again, it looks like the MSG brass are more interested in their female employees than what we get ...

Exactly what HD may we see on FSNY? Far as can tell, I'm missing out on some HD hockey because we don't get VS HD.

A whole lot of Devils & Islanders games in HD.

Hello Miss Giuliani,

I'm very happy to hear that in 1 week I will be receiving FSNY-HD & NGC-HD in Manhattan South. Thank you for that, but I know their is a lot more bandwidth than can be used for more HD channels in Manhattan South.

I've been disappointed that customers in S.I, have cheaper bills and 6 more HD than us. And now I find out that as of December 13th S.I. and (ACQ) Western Queens will have 9 more HD channels than the rest of the systems in NYC. Is their always going to be HD programming discrimination between systems within NYC?
Will the HD programming gap continue to widen?

thank you, Andy

Looking for these channels to be added in Manhattan to match S.I. and Western Queens:
Golf/Versus-HD
NHL Network-HD
Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
History Channel-HD
The Movie Channel-HD
MHD
A&E-HD
Lifetime Movie Network-HD

Who is Miss Giuliani?

Hi, I hope this is the correct forum for this question. If not, apologies. I have posted here before, but it's been a while...I'd like to get the tech expertise thoughts on the collective wisdom on this board, por favor about a tech prob I am having with one of my HD-DVR's.

I have two HD DVRs for two HD CRTs. Both HD DVRs are the SA HD 8300. On one TV (Zenith 27"), however, I have intermittent (but highly annoying when it happens) "hiccuping" and "stuttering" on either live HD programming or recorded content (standard or HD recordings). This rarely occurs with the other CRT (Toshiba 34"). Both CRTs use a DVI out, so I use a DVI/HDMI cable from Ram electronics. I don't think this type of connection is the problem cos I use the same connection with my both CRTs, and the problem occurs with only one TV (and the cable boxes are identical). But to be sure, I have switched to a component connection with the Zenith and HD-DVR yet the hiccuping problem persists.

The ultimate test would be to swap boxes between my two TVs, but that is just too much work because one TV is in wall unit.

What is your gut feel for my problem? Do you think it is the Zenith TV or the HD-DVR box? My gut says it's the HD-DVR, and I will place a call into TWC-NYC to have them come check it out, but I also wanted to see what gurus think here, and to see if anyone else has had similar experiences and/or suggestions. Thanks. - steve

Funny, I've already heard about 4-5 games where the only HD I can get is with VS. And I think those were Rangers/Islanders and Rangers/Devils.

Just a matter of 'luck' I guess...

Later in the season - on nights when the Rangers and Knicks both play (and the Devils and Islanders dont) - Rangers will be on FSNY a few time


Contrast MSG with YES. Not sure of the exact details, but YES seems to have managed to bring us ALL Yankee games in HD, period. Then again, it looks like the MSG brass are more interested in their female employees than what we get ...

But not all the Nets road games in HD.... Nets are seemingly getting less road HD than the Rangers and Knicks...

Who is Miss Giuliani? The one on the left :p

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/ap/rudyjudy.jpg

What does your Verizon “package” include? Is that with land line service too or is just for internet?

Regarding the initial costs for DirecTV, remember, there are no monthly rental charges for the two HD DVRs. It’s only about 13 bucks a month over two years and then it's mine.

I’m still on the fence but will continue to investigate the options and appreciate any feed back.

I am actually doing theier version of a triple play (DSL, Wireless, and Landline) They actually can help me get direct TV for less if I choose to but Direct is a non-issue in my house.

But Unless you get a good deal don't you have to pay upfront for the 2 boxes? hat is $600 dollars that can be well spent on a new computer of something like that. The boxes are yours, but if I remeber correctly they charge extra for a service contract so you still have that monthly bill even though they are paid off. I just saw to many fine print charges that scares me. Plus I dpon't remember which SAT carrier doesn't have locals, but I there is one that still doesn't carry them. If Direct is the one without them for me that would be the deal breaker because the majority of my TV viewing is on the big 4. If I was you I would also check you area. I know my area is overlouded with Sat. That has to be bad for service.I hope it isn't but it just seems like it would be. I will talk to my 2 friends that have it and get some more info for you.

"Critically banned?" We should be so lucky!
oops I meant Bashed. "It was critically bashed on this thread and other sites."

But we could only hope that TWC stops giving them out considering what a bad response they are getting

The one on the left :p

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/ap/rudyjudy.jpg


That was then, this is now:

http://teamlittleguy.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/lick_log_dog.jpg

I am actually doing theier version of a triple play (DSL, Wireless, and Landline) They actually can help me get direct TV for less if I choose to but Direct is a non-issue in my house.

But Unless you get a good deal don't you have to pay upfront for the 2 boxes? hat is $600 dollars.Unfortunately I’m tied to AT&T for cellular. I had Verizon for landline up until this summer when I did the TW triple play. That’s smart-- to get the most you can from a provider, as you are doing with your Verizon “triple play.” I’m sure you save money by doing that.

Regarding the additional costs for DirecTV, they give one box free and the additional HD DVR box is $300.

Hi, I hope this is the correct forum for this question. If not, apologies. I have posted here before, but it's been a while...I'd like to get the tech expertise thoughts on the collective wisdom on this board, por favor about a tech prob I am having with one of my HD-DVR's.

I have two HD DVRs for two HD CRTs. Both HD DVRs are the SA HD 8300. On one TV (Zenith 27"), however, I have intermittent (but highly annoying when it happens) "hiccuping" and "stuttering" on either live HD programming or recorded content (standard or HD recordings). This rarely occurs with the other CRT (Toshiba 34"). Both CRTs use a DVI out, so I use a DVI/HDMI cable from Ram electronics. I don't think this type of connection is the problem cos I use the same connection with my both CRTs, and the problem occurs with only one TV (and the cable boxes are identical). But to be sure, I have switched to a component connection with the Zenith and HD-DVR yet the hiccuping problem persists.

The ultimate test would be to swap boxes between my two TVs, but that is just too much work because one TV is in wall unit.

What is your gut feel for my problem? Do you think it is the Zenith TV or the HD-DVR box? My gut says it's the HD-DVR, and I will place a call into TWC-NYC to have them come check it out, but I also wanted to see what gurus think here, and to see if anyone else has had similar experiences and/or suggestions. Thanks. - steve

Is the DVR that is hiccuping in a wall unit also? I can tell you from experience that if they start to get too hot they will definitely exhibit the symptoms you described. Try moving the DVR to a well-ventilated area for a few days and see if your problem goes away - mine did.

What gives with TBS HD? Has anyone actually ever seen a HD program on TBS HD other than a MLB playoff game? It appears that all their movies and sitcoms known to have been filmed in HD are all being shown in stretch o' vision. Does anyone know if TBS HD is ever going to start presenting a primetime HD lineup like some of the other part time HD channels CW 11 and My9. It's really very fustrating to know such valuable bandwidth is being wasted on a HD channel that offers almost no HD programming.

Is the DVR that is hiccuping in a wall unit also? I can tell you from experience that if they start to get too hot they will definitely exhibit the symptoms you described. Try moving the DVR to a well-ventilated area for a few days and see if your problem goes away - mine did.

Thanks pdroth. The hiccuping unit is indeed in wall unit and on its own shelf, but not as well-ventilated as the one in the living room (shelf has more height and air). Perhaps that is the problem? I'll see if I have any flexibility in placement. Thanks again.

Who is Miss Giuliani?

a contact at TWC
LOL
not the wife of the former mayor.

What gives with TBS HD? Has anyone actually ever seen a HD program on TBS HD other than a MLB playoff game? It appears that all their movies and sitcoms known to have been filmed in HD are all being shown in stretch o' vision. Does anyone know if TBS HD is ever going to start presenting a primetime HD lineup like some of the other part time HD channels CW 11 and My9. It's really very fustrating to know such valuable bandwidth is being wasted on a HD channel that offers almost no HD programming.

100% agreed here. If only they could use that slot for ANY OTHER HD channel (and for that matter, TNT-HD could do the same), it IS a huge waste of bandwidth on our "bandwidth challenged" system. If I had my choice, I'd fill that slot with the currently "Staten Island Only" MHD. :)

what software do you have with the samsung box? The SA boxes come with the critically banned Navigator software so you are now in a no win situation.

right now my box has the mystro v1.7.6 software.

Thanks pdroth. The hiccuping unit is indeed in wall unit and on its own shelf, but not as well-ventilated as the one in the living room (shelf has more height and air). Perhaps that is the problem? I'll see if I have any flexibility in placement. Thanks again.

I fashioned a 60mm computer type fan and keep it propped on top of my DVR. AFAIC, there is inadequate cooling built into these SA 8300HD DVR's.

A_C

100% agreed here. If only they could use that slot for ANY OTHER HD channel (and for that matter, TNT-HD could do the same), it IS a huge waste of bandwidth on our "bandwidth challenged" system. If I had my choice, I'd fill that slot with the currently "Staten Island Only" MHD. :)
At least TNT in HD shows some movies and shows in actual HD. TBS doesn't, AFAIK.

At least TNT in HD shows some movies and shows in actual HD. TBS doesn't, AFAIK.

This is true, but it gets on my nerves that TNT flags everything as HDTV in the program guide, even when it's clearly stretched SD. :(

At least TNT in HD shows some movies and shows in actual HD. TBS doesn't, AFAIK.

As an example, SPIDERMAN was on TBS HD the other nite...but clearly and obviously, what was shown was an annoying NON HD stretch job. :mad:

I was in the SI Mall yesterday, and they have a FiOS booth. I stopped by and inquired about when FiOS TV would be made available. Their rep responded by handing me a card that pointed to this site (http://www.nytvchoice.com). Looks like Verizon is bringing its fight for a cable franchise to the public.

Apparently the site was established in 2005, but this is the first I've heard of it.

That site has been floated around a while, but it is poorly updated for the five boroughs.

Most of the updates I have seen on there concern outer NYS communities.

100% agreed here. If only they could use that slot for ANY OTHER HD channel (and for that matter, TNT-HD could do the same), it IS a huge waste of bandwidth on our "bandwidth challenged" system. If I had my choice, I'd fill that slot with the currently "Staten Island Only" MHD. :)

Make that the Staten Island/Woodside, Queens MHD.

NG TV WAS one of my "wants" that supposedly will be filled next week. I think A&E might be next up on my want list... I really don't have an issue that 100% of their prime time is NOT HD, but I hear AEHD uses DISTORT-O-VISION, and that makes me puke.

TBS HD needs to be pulled, at least until they drop their DISTORT-O-VISION AND stop tagging distorted SD as "HDTV."

I've been disappointed that customers in S.I, have cheaper bills and 6 more HD than us. And now I find out that as of December 13th S.I. and (ACQ) Western Queens will have 9 more HD channels than the rest of the systems in NYC. Is their always going to be HD programming discrimination between systems within NYC?
Will the HD programming gap continue to widen?

thank you, Andy

Looking for these channels to be added in Manhattan to match S.I. and Western Queens:
Golf/Versus-HD
NHL Network-HD
Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
History Channel-HD
The Movie Channel-HD
MHD
A&E-HD
Lifetime Movie Network-HD

Of course, I would have added "So why are you discriminating against us because of where we live?"

Could this person be in their PR office? Naturally, we're VERY curious about any response... and thanks for your writing to a contact!

I fashioned a 60mm computer type fan and keep it propped on top of my DVR. AFAIC, there is inadequate cooling built into these SA 8300HD DVR's.

A_C

Far as I can tell, there is no fan. IMO, if properly used in a well-ventilated location, none is needed (hard drives are meant and DESIGNED to run warm to the touch).

That site has been floated around a while, but it is poorly updated for the five boroughs.

Most of the updates I have seen on there concern outer NYS communities.

Indeed it seems to ignore all of the general area I live in.

right now my box has the mystro v1.7.6 software.

I have the Samsung box. If you swap for the SA box you might have serious problems with HDMI cables. What specific problems are you having w/the Samsung?

Well, I did move my 8300-HD DVR to a different location which has more breathing space. I watched it last night, both on high-def and using my DVR and so far, no hiccups. Perhaps the added ventilation was what was needed (thanks pdroth!). I also use a thin PC-type cooling fan, so know that tactic, but I use it for my high-end integrated amplifier that is tucked away into another wall unit. If need be, I'll get a similar fan and plop it nearby the DVR. I'd rather not, cos the fan is somewhat noisy. We'll see how this turns out. I also swapped back to my HDMI-DVI cable. Fingers crossed. thanks.

Well, I did move my 8300-HD DVR to a different location which has more breathing space. I watched it last night, both on high-def and using my DVR and so far, no hiccups. Perhaps the added ventilation was what was needed (thanks pdroth!). I also use a thin PC-type cooling fan, so know that tactic, but I use it for my high-end integrated amplifier that is tucked away into another wall unit. If need be, I'll get a similar fan and plop it nearby the DVR. I'd rather not, cos the fan is somewhat noisy. We'll see how this turns out. I also swapped back to my HDMI-DVI cable. Fingers crossed. thanks.

Glad to hear it's working so far for you. You may get an occasional hiccup that might be unrelated to heat build-up but you should notice a big improvement.

cablevision just added CNN-HD

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Indeed! Nice to see TWC losing customers that have options for their subscription TV viewing. Hopefully this will push TWC to actually try and improve service somehow for the remaining customer base.

If DirecTV would create ground repeaters like the Satellite radio industry, it would become a huge threat to cable TV outlets. There would be no need to have the dish aiming in the southern direction. Just aim it to your local ground repeater direction.

Thx again, pdroth. I'll check back in again with an update after a fairer test. Even my wife was bitching about the hiccups, and she steadfastly refuses to ever comment on any audio/video quality issue other than "anything good on TV?" ;)

cablevision just added CNN-HD

!!! ??? W H A T ??? !!!

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Is there any reason why cable companies can't run fiber to the premises, so as to compete with Verizon?

They all claim to have fiber networks? :confused:

A_C

Is there any reason why cable companies can't run fiber to the premises, so as to compete with Verizon?

They all claim to have fiber networks? :confused:

A_C

it's too expensive.
it's cheaper to do SDV and elimintate analog channels.

Is there any reason why cable companies can't run fiber to the premises, so as to compete with Verizon?

They all claim to have fiber networks? :confused:

A_C
Cost and infrastructure.

Last-mile fiber networks use a star topology - every customer has a single, direct link to the local fiber distribution center (much like with phone and DSL lines). The phone companies are uniquely positioned to roll out fiber this way because they already have the giant distribution centers in every town, and their existing networks are designed around them, so they know how to make that work.

Cable networks use a tree topology - a relative handful of lines go out from the cable headend, and each line gets split and split and split over and over until enough lines are created to serve customers. For a cable network to deploy FTTH, it would basically have to build a whole new last-mile network from scratch, without the benefit of having the massive distribution centers in every neighborhood that the phone companies do. They'd be like AT&T in the early 20th century.

Much better for them to let technology maximize the network they already have. Much like fiber, cable bandwidth depends on the equipment on either end, rather than on the cable itself, so it isn't inconceivable for them to eventually be in a position to deliver high-quality IPTV over cable networks. Indeed, SDV is something of a poor-man's IPTV. If that happens, they'll be able to match anyone, channel-for-channel, without spending billions building out a new network to do it.

In the meantime, dropping analog channels, SDV and newer codecs will help the cable people keep pace with the fiber folks.

Well, I did move my 8300-HD DVR to a different location which has more breathing space. I watched it last night, both on high-def and using my DVR and so far, no hiccups. Perhaps the added ventilation was what was needed (thanks pdroth!). I also use a thin PC-type cooling fan, so know that tactic, but I use it for my high-end integrated amplifier that is tucked away into another wall unit. If need be, I'll get a similar fan and plop it nearby the DVR. I'd rather not, cos the fan is somewhat noisy. We'll see how this turns out. I also swapped back to my HDMI-DVI cable. Fingers crossed. thanks.

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Is there any reason why cable companies can't run fiber to the premises, so as to compete with Verizon?

They all claim to have fiber networks? :confused:

A_C

cable's existing HFC networks (hybrid fiber coax) took 10 years to build and cost billions. wall street would frown on cable companies going out to rebuild networks that were just finish being built some 5-7 years ago. copper/coax will never have capability of fiber but it's still pretty amazing and suitable for most people.

Of course, I would have added "So why are you discriminating against us because of where we live?"

Could this person be in their PR office? Naturally, we're VERY curious about any response... and thanks for your writing to a contact!

people please stop with "discrimination" posts. if HDTV is that important to you, move to woodside!

At least TNT in HD shows some movies and shows in actual HD. TBS doesn't, AFAIK.

a lot of networks are launching HD channels just to try to secure shelf space on cable systems. initially they will have strech o vision (like tbs, a&e, etc) but in time you will see more hd. lots of programming on tbs , tnt, a&e, nat geo were shot in SD. newer shows like law & order and movies , live sports on tnt will be HD. just give it time and be thankful for the hd channels u do have ;-)

Well, it seems A&E HD has a purpose after all... it shows The Sopranos in actual, honest-to-goodness HD. :o

a lot of networks are launching HD channels just to try to secure shelf space on cable systems. initially they will have strech o vision (like tbs, a&e, etc) but in time you will see more hd. lots of programming on tbs , tnt, a&e, nat geo were shot in SD. newer shows like law & order and movies , live sports on tnt will be HD. just give it time and be thankful for the hd channels u do have ;-)


Of course "most of us" understand that most of the rerun programming that TBS has right now was never available in HD in the first place..

There are still 2 big problems though...

1) Don't label EVERYTHING as HD in your programing descriptions.... (i think both TNT and TBS have this problem)

2) There will be a movie on TNT one week that is HD - and the same movie will be stretched on TBS-HD a week later....
It's not JUST about the lack of actual HD content... Programming that TNT-HD shows in HD is being shown in Stretched-SD on TBS-HD.....


Right now the channel is a complete waste of bandwidth (when we are very tight on space) - TBS will not have any sporting events until April.... There are a number of 'part-time' HD channels that TWC has the right to provide us that many of us would prefer at the moment...
Some want Versus-HD... some want CNN-HD.... TMC-HD... there are plenty to chose from (that SI/Woodside either have already or are getting soon)

people please stop with "discrimination" posts. if HDTV is that important to you, move to woodside!

Are you serious? is that the official TWC response

a lot of networks are launching HD channels just to try to secure shelf space on cable systems. initially they will have strech o vision (like tbs, a&e, etc) but in time you will see more hd. lots of programming on tbs , tnt, a&e, nat geo were shot in SD. newer shows like law & order and movies , live sports on tnt will be HD. just give it time and be thankful for the hd channels u do have ;-)

Man it would nice to have said "lot of HD Channels"

I love this post... :D

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Damn, I SO MUCH want to be a part of the 83,000. BUT, that also means my ONLY being able to watch DVDs in widescreen. No OTA or satellite available. Those TWC bastards KNOW this so they feel 100% free to not even bother competing... because for my neighborhood, there is NO alternative.

Don't label EVERYTHING as HD in your programing descriptions...
...Programming that TNT-HD shows in HD is being shown in Stretched-SD on TBS-HD.....
....There are a number of 'part-time' HD channels that TWC has the right to provide us that many of us would prefer at the moment...
I agree with you.

My guess-- for our system having TBS HD-- is because it was probably part of a piggy back deal with TNT. As soon as TBSHD became available it had a place at our table. :rolleyes:

people please stop with "discrimination" posts. if HDTV is that important to you, move to woodside!

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Well, it seems A&E HD has a purpose after all... it shows The Sopranos in actual, honest-to-goodness HD. :o

Ah, I see a new term being born. Emasculated HD!

Ah, I see a new term being born. Emasculated HD!If it were up to TW we’d have only 20 channels and a mule. :rolleyes: :p

Perhaps I was mixing up emasculate with emancipate ... but that's ok... I stand by my post...

a lot of networks are launching HD channels just to try to secure shelf space on cable systems. initially they will have strech o vision (like tbs, a&e, etc) but in time you will see more hd. lots of programming on tbs , tnt, a&e, nat geo were shot in SD. newer shows like law & order and movies , live sports on tnt will be HD. just give it time and be thankful for the hd channels u do have ;-)

Patience, patience, patience... Why should we wait when TWC could've easily replaced TBS HD with NGC HD or FSNY HD right after the MLB playoff series and returned it at a future date when they started to actually show some HD programs. I am pretty certain that no one has any use for an HD channel that doesn't show HD programs.:confused:

people please stop with "discrimination" posts. if HDTV is that important to you, move to woodside!

Can't Stop Won't Stop! It is what it is! It is Discrimination!
Your Facts have been much appreciated over the years and I hope they keep coming. But telling customers to move just doesn't make any sense. It was said early this year that we should move to S.I. to get more HD and now we should move to Woodside? Like I said in the past, It's a good thing this is not a official quote from TWC. You must live in a Cablevision area with HD service or in a TWC area with no HD service.

..if HDTV is that important to you, move to woodside! Time Warner's new slogan...

You want more HD—

THEN MOVE!!!

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Any QAM fans out there?

I just got another television for the bedroom (Sharp LCD Aquos) and very happy about not having to use a cable box or cablecard and still being able to enjoy HD channels. I hate extra crap (DVD player, cable box, etc.). I just want one TV and nothing else.

So far for HD channels, I turn to channel 1 and use to remote control to change within channel 1. I get CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, PBS and WB11 (I think thats what they call channel 11) all in HD. I found TNT-HD and UPN on channel 93. Okay, that's a great start. I also notice a bunch of stations on channel 0 also.

Now, where can I find the other QAM stations? Is there a chart somewhere? Will TWC give me this information? I am hoping for ESPN and other sports. I live in Bergen County New Jersey but I think it must be similar to NYC TWC.

Thanks in advance.

i agree that this can be misleading. unfortunately this is an issue with many programmers that should be addressed to them. there are many cable networks that have a new episode of a programming airing on say friday 8pm and episode listed as "new". then repeats of that same "new" episode are listed as new during the repeats that air thru that weekend



Of course "most of us" understand that most of the rerun programming that TBS has right now was never available in HD in the first place..

There are still 2 big problems though...

1) Don't label EVERYTHING as HD in your programing descriptions.... (i think both TNT and TBS have this problem)

2) There will be a movie on TNT one week that is HD - and the same movie will be stretched on TBS-HD a week later....
It's not JUST about the lack of actual HD content... Programming that TNT-HD shows in HD is being shown in Stretched-SD on TBS-HD.....


Right now the channel is a complete waste of bandwidth (when we are very tight on space) - TBS will not have any sporting events until April.... There are a number of 'part-time' HD channels that TWC has the right to provide us that many of us would prefer at the moment...
Some want Versus-HD... some want CNN-HD.... TMC-HD... there are plenty to chose from (that SI/Woodside either have already or are getting soon)

Can't Stop Won't Stop! It is what it is! It is Discrimination!
Your Facts have been much appreciated over the years and I hope they keep coming. But telling customers to move just doesn't make any sense. It was said early this year that we should move to S.I. to get more HD and now we should move to Woodside? Like I said in the past, It's a good thing this is not a official quote from TWC. You must live in a Cablevision area with HD service or in a TWC area with no HD service.


of course its not an official statement and i live in an area that will not get those new channels. we're all kind of techno geeks here but a statement like that from me is telling you guys that there is more to life than sitting behind your computer and complaining about lack of hd channels. it's not about a company trying to screw you over. but keep in mind twc ny/nj is made up of several systems with different service areas, franchise requirements, technical capabilities, available bandwith, etc therefore services offered cannot be uniform across all areas though most are. twc is a triple play service provider and resources (bandwith) have to be allocated to all...not just hdtv. HD customers make up 15-20% of customers. you want higher internet speeds? docsis 3.0 down the road? that takes bandwith. if woodside headend has 30 more channel slots than manhattan south, they can offer more channels. bandwith is scarce so they have to be alllocated carefully. competitive areas of course will get more channels, better pricing,etc

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Patience, patience, patience... Why should we wait when TWC could've easily replaced TBS HD with NGC HD or FSNY HD right after the MLB playoff series and returned it at a future date when they started to actually show some HD programs. I am pretty certain that no one has any use for an HD channel that doesn't show HD programs.:confused:

programming carriage deals are like a marriage, once you commit you must continue to carry them thru the terms of contract. there's no divorcing or cherry picking of their programming then dropping them for something else.

it would be like having relations with hot girl at her prime then dumping her for someone new and better later on.

If it were up to TW we’d have only 20 channels and a mule. :rolleyes: :p

regardless of whether you like twc or not, the offerings have been competitive with whatever else is available.

20 years ago- 36 channels vs the 7 you can pickup off air
today-hundreds of channels, triple play vs satellite's video only offering

i agree that this can be misleading. unfortunately this is an issue with many programmers that should be addressed to them. there are many cable networks that have a new episode of a programming airing on say friday 8pm and episode listed as "new". then repeats of that same "new" episode are listed as new during the repeats that air thru that weekend

Honestly - I've never run into this as a problem.....
(although I don't watch much cable programming that gets repeated often like you've indicated)

I am always afraid that 'new' wont be correctly listed... but I've only had an issue with one show (Robot Chicken a few times won't be listed as new when it is)

regardless of whether you like twc or not, the offerings have been competitive with whatever else is available.

20 years ago- 36 channels vs the 7 you can pickup off air
today-hundreds of channels, triple play vs satellite's video only offering

hmmm being that in manhattan there is little else available

regardless of whether you like twc or not, the offerings have been competitive with whatever else is available.

Exactly, there is NO "whatever else" in Manhattan, so TWC has a blank license to rip us off for all they can. AND they sure as hell do exactly that (PAY MORE, GET LESS, NO CONSEQUENCES).

Manhattan - population 1.5 million
SI - population 460,000

It seems obvious to me that serving all those customers in Manhattan would require more trucks, more personnel, a more robust infrastructure, bigger bandwidth, etc. which would justify charging more for Manhattan customers.

I hate to say it, but if you really want to pay less for cable, maybe you should move out of Manhattan. You'd move to the outer boroughs to pay less rent for a better apartment, so why not for cable service?

Manhattan is expensive. It's just the way it is.

I would also argue the assertion that TWC has no competition in Manhattan... I think TWC has plenty of competition from satellite... just not for your business; they are competing for your landlord's business. After all, your landlord can mount a dish on the roof of your building, and I'd wager that relatively few buildings in Manhattan have no LOS to the satellites whatsoever from their rooftops.

Manhattan - population 1.5 million
SI - population 460,000

It seems obvious to me that serving all those customers in Manhattan would require more trucks, more personnel, a more robust infrastructure, bigger bandwidth, etc. which would justify charging more for Manhattan customers.

I hate to say it, but if you really want to pay less for cable, maybe you should move out of Manhattan. You'd move to the outer boroughs to pay less rent for a better apartment, so why not for cable service?

Manhattan is expensive. It's just the way it is.

I would also argue the assertion that TWC has no competition in Manhattan... I think TWC has plenty of competition from satellite... just not for your business; they are competing for your landlord's business. After all, your landlord can mount a dish on the roof of your building, and I'd wager that relatively few buildings in Manhattan have no LOS to the satellites whatsoever from their rooftops.

I would think the exact opposite should be the case. Economies of scale should result in lower costs per customer in areas with higher population densities, no? True, they need more trucks/employees in pure numbers, but fewer per capita.

And it's expensive (TWC) because they have no competition. They know that if given the choice between overpriced cable or no cable at all, most people will choose the former.

Manhattan - population 1.5 million
SI - population 460,000

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I would also argue the assertion that TWC has no competition in Manhattan... I think TWC has plenty of competition from satellite... just not for your business; they are competing for your landlord's business. After all, your landlord can mount a dish on the roof of your building, and I'd wager that relatively few buildings in Manhattan have no LOS to the satellites whatsoever from their rooftops.

I don't think satellite would work. There isn't a single signal containing all channels that can be distributed. The LNB must select a single channel to receive and send that down the coax. There would have to be a separate LNB for each customer in the building. Not practical or even possible.

Cynthia

Price Increase

I received my latest cable bill today (on Staten Island) in which TWC indicates a price increase in December. I thought they wouldn't increase our prices for quite a while because of pending FiOS TV. Do you suppose that they know something about the franchise, such as it will be a long time before we get one?

Cynthia

I don't think satellite would work. There isn't a single signal containing all channels that can be distributed. The LNB must select a single channel to receive and send that down the coax. There would have to be a separate LNB for each customer in the building. Not practical or even possible.

Cynthia
They have systems for Multiple Dwelling Units that distribute a signals from a single dish to multiple receivers.

And you don't need an LNB for every single receiver; even single family homes can have up to 6-10 receivers using just one or two LNBs. You just need the right switches. It's the receiver that selects the appropriate channel, not the LNB.

And it's expensive (TWC) because they have no competition. They know that if given the choice between overpriced cable or no cable at all, most people will choose the former.

Actually, the choice is cable or sell the HDTV because the ONLY thing you could do is watch DVDs. Or keep the TV and still only watch videos.

Price Increase

I received my latest cable bill today (on Staten Island) in which TWC indicates a price increase in December. I thought they wouldn't increase our prices for quite a while because of pending FiOS TV. Do you suppose that they know something about the franchise, such as it will be a long time before we get one?

Cynthia

This is going to be interesting... didn't see anything like that on my last cable bill, but that really doesn't mean anything. Keep in mind you get a 10% discount that is not available to Manhattan.

Actually, the choice is cable or sell the HDTV because the ONLY thing you could do is watch DVDs. Or keep the TV and still only watch videos.

Is there no more "over the air HDTV"? I thought you could get the local HD channels with rabbit ears? And you could still play your HD DVD or BD movies on your set. But yeah, without TWC you're pretty much screwed...and we all know that they know that.

And we're due to get FSNY HD this coming Thursday, the 15th right? That makes total sense, considering the next Rangers/Devils game is on FSNY the night before. It's almost as if TWC has to give us one last dig. :(

Everyone should just cancel their TWC subscription then lets see how fast they change their HD programming and ridiculous prices. Im canceling HBO after this weekend last episode of Curb your Enthusium. I mean come on be honest look at the daily movies they give Bandidas, Somethign the Lord made, The return, Tell me you love me, Borat, John Carpenters vampires, The Ringer, the deal, The Marine. The only good movie is The Departed and i own that on HD DVD. Thats so sad, giving all the great movies that they can actually show but they chose not to. No more Sopranos or Curb or that other show with the Kids i forgot the name. I watch HBO once a week. Goodbye HBO, extra $8 buck in my pocket.

And we're due to get FSNY HD this coming Thursday, the 15th right? That makes total sense, considering the next Rangers/Devils game is on FSNY the night before. It's almost as if TWC has to give us one last dig. :(

It's also on MSGHD.... don't worry.

This is going to be interesting... didn't see anything like that on my last cable bill, but that really doesn't mean anything. Keep in mind you get a 10% discount that is not available to Manhattan.

They are definitely increasing the rates as of December 1. My building's bulk cable rate is going up as of that date since regular residential rates are increasing.

OK, we need to petition the TWC NYC to get NFL Network HD before the NFL starts airing the Thurs night games, especially what's looking to be a huge showdown in the NFC in 3 wks between the GB vs DAL!

It's terrible that this deal between the NFL & TWC NYC hasn't been worked out by now!!!!!!!!

Who's w/ me?

OK, we need to petition the TWC NYC to get NFL Network HD before the NFL starts airing the Thurs night games, especially what's looking to be a huge showdown in the NFC in 3 wks between the GB vs DAL!

It's terrible that this deal between the NFL & TWC NYC hasn't been worked out by now!!!!!!!!

Who's w/ me?

NFL Network want to be on basic and charge a crazy $ per subscriber...

TWC wants them on the sports tier....


Its not gonna go anywhere until the NFL gives in. (because TWC happens to be right on this one)

Its not gonna go anywhere until the NFL gives in. (because TWC happens to be right on this one)

I agree. The NFL (and their NFL Network) can take their couple games a year and stick them up their arse.

The other major sticking point with the cable companies is that the NFL won't give them Sunday Ticket, so why should they help out the NFL Network?

I agree. The NFL (and their NFL Network) can take their couple games a year and stick them up their arse.

The other major sticking point with the cable companies is that the NFL won't give them Sunday Ticket, so why should they help out the NFL Network?

That too....

But if NFL agreed to the sports tier - then Sunday Ticket wouldn't be an issue for now...

(note that this isn't true for Cablevision - they are not willing to do anything without Sunday Ticket)

OK, we need to petition the TWC NYC to get NFL Network HD before the NFL starts airing the Thurs night games, especially what's looking to be a huge showdown in the NFC in 3 wks between the GB vs DAL!

It's terrible that this deal between the NFL & TWC NYC hasn't been worked out by now!!!!!!!!

Who's w/ me?

TWC is right in this situation.

This is going to be interesting... didn't see anything like that on my last cable bill, but that really doesn't mean anything. Keep in mind you get a 10% discount that is not available to Manhattan.

Isn't the discount only if they commit to a 1 year contract or something?

So I went over to my friend's house to watch the Cotto vs. Mosley fight Saturday night. He has FiOS triple play (in New Jersey).

Having seen his FiOS TV, quite frankly I'd much rather stick with TWC for now. Motorola boxes are horrible, and FiOS Moto boxes are no exception. They only had the fight in SD, and the SD picture blown up on his 50" screen looked just as horrid as it does on cable.

If FiOS comes to NYC in its current state, the only reason to get it will be to save money on the Triple Play, IMHO. For Internet and Phone, FiOS kicks the stuffing out of TWC, but for TV, I think TWC has the better product.

Isn't the discount only if they commit to a 1 year contract or something?

10% discount requires a 2-year contract commitment. But it also locks in that price for the duration of the contract (so for contract customers, the upcoming price increase will not apply.)

So I went over to my friend's house to watch the Cotto vs. Mosley fight Saturday night. He has FiOS triple play (in New Jersey).

Having seen his FiOS TV, quite frankly I'd much rather stick with TWC for now. Motorola boxes are horrible, and FiOS Moto boxes are no exception. They only had the fight in SD, and the SD picture blown up on his 50" screen looked just as horrid as it does on cable.

If FiOS comes to NYC in its current state, the only reason to get it will be to save money on the Triple Play, IMHO. For Internet and Phone, FiOS kicks the stuffing out of TWC, but for TV, I think TWC has the better product.


but how does the HD on fios look?

Did any one have there 8300HDC reboot 6 times last night?? I got the Mystro screen with 13 on itand that was it. It went back to boot. It came on this A.M.This happed in N.Y.C. 1:30 A.M.

So I went over to my friend's house to watch the Cotto vs. Mosley fight Saturday night. He has FiOS triple play (in New Jersey).

Having seen his FiOS TV, quite frankly I'd much rather stick with TWC for now. Motorola boxes are horrible, and FiOS Moto boxes are no exception. They only had the fight in SD, and the SD picture blown up on his 50" screen looked just as horrid as it does on cable.

If FiOS comes to NYC in its current state, the only reason to get it will be to save money on the Triple Play, IMHO. For Internet and Phone, FiOS kicks the stuffing out of TWC, but for TV, I think TWC has the better product.

Didn't someone just post a link to an article saying TWC was going with Motorola for their new boxes? :(

Did any one have there 8300HDC reboot 6 times last night?? I got the Mystro screen with 13 on itand that was it. It went back to boot. It came on this A.M.This happed in N.Y.C. 1:30 A.M.

Ya, for a while, I thought that the box was trashed. Then around 2:45 it finally booted.

Ya, for a while, I thought that the box was trashed. Then around 2:45 it finally booted.

Well, maybe TWC updated the firmware on your boxes?

I don't have an HDC (thank goodness), so had no issues last night with Passport on my 8300HD.

Scott

but how does the HD on fios look?

Pretty much exactly the same as it does on cable. Caught a few minutes of Nets action on YES HD, and it didn't look noticeably better than what I get at home with TWC. I wasn't paying too much attention though, and his TV is in a woeful state, calibration-wise.

But from what I saw, picture quality is really not a factor when choosing between FiOS or TWC.

Didn't someone just post a link to an article saying TWC was going with Motorola for their new boxes? :(
God, I hope not. TWC's SciATL boxes are an absolute dream to use compared to the Moto boxes used by Comcast and Verizon.

Quick question. My uncle just got a new Sony HDTV and hooked it to his SA 4250HD through HDMI and is getting a "dvi input is not compatible error" or some sort. I read into it a little bit and it seems other people have this problem. He can get it to work if he resets the box and wait the 10 minutes to reset but once he turns off the tv it happens again. Is Time Warner going to fix this anytime soon? Ive read that they are working on it and will have a firmware fix eventually, is this true? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Quick question. My uncle just got a new Sony HDTV and hooked it to his SA 4250HD through HDMI and is getting a "dvi input is not compatible error" or some sort. I read into it a little bit and it seems other people have this problem. He can get it to work if he resets the box and wait the 10 minutes to reset but once he turns off the tv it happens again. Is Time Warner going to fix this anytime soon? Ive read that they are working on it and will have a firmware fix eventually, is this true? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Never heard about a firmware fix, but you can always use component cables and you probably won't notice much of a PQ difference.

I posted last week about QAM mappings for TWC. Seems like nobody here uses QAM tuners. What are the reason people choose STB's versus the QAM tuner? Besides the Guide and On-Demand stuff.

On my older set, I had a Cablecard (excellent!!) switched to STB (noticeable downgrade) then back to the Cablecard (happy once again). The new TV (Sharp Aquos) looks very decent so far using the QAM tuner. Now, I want to know how to find all the HD channels.

Is there no more "over the air HDTV"? I thought you could get the local HD channels with rabbit ears? And you could still play your HD DVD or BD movies on your set. But yeah, without TWC you're pretty much screwed...and we all know that they know that.

Any number of pals in Brooklyn/Queens/Bronx can see the Empire State Bid. and get good OTA. Most of Manhattan can't. I've only seen one guy get good OTA, but that was when the towers were standing AND he lived about 40 stories up and had a clear view to them. Before 9/11 I could get a really snowy picture with garbled sound, now I get just about nothing.

OK, we need to petition the TWC NYC to get NFL Network HD before the NFL starts airing the Thurs night games, especially what's looking to be a huge showdown in the NFC in 3 wks between the GB vs DAL!

It's terrible that this deal between the NFL & TWC NYC hasn't been worked out by now!!!!!!!!

Who's w/ me?

I read the final Giants game of the season is going to be exclusive to NFL Network. And it may be that game that will be the determinant of them getting the wild card spot...

10% discount requires a 2-year contract commitment. But it also locks in that price for the duration of the contract (so for contract customers, the upcoming price increase will not apply.)

Sounds like another screw job for Manhattan, we have NO discount, prices go up THEN MAYBE they offer it to us. Bastards.

BTW, ANY FIOS deal would be far better in Manhattan, remember Woodside has 50% more HD channels than we get.

Didn't someone just post a link to an article saying TWC was going with Motorola for their new boxes? :(

I think Samsung was mentioned multiple times... the big demo TWC did this past summer was on Samsung boxes. Didn't we have a post or two from folks who got Samsung boxes already??

FWIW, 2 days ago I was setting up some recordings and notice that every channel seemed blank. It was Sunday, I was setting up Giants/Cowboys and I had to get my ass to work, so I was freaking a bit (no time to call and harass TWC). On a whim, I rebooted the box and all came back.

Thought for sure they pushed Nagivator to our 8300HDs, but a quick check and I saw old reliable, Passport (the pisser is that Passport is really pretty bad, but compared to what I read about N. it's world class).

Anyone ever had something like this happen?

I read the final Giants game of the season is going to be exclusive to NFL Network. And it may be that game that will be the determinant of them getting the wild card spot...
Not the case.
In New York and Boston, the final Giants game of the season will be seen on over-the-air tv, simulcasting the NFL Network coverage. In NYC, it's WWOR.
That's NFL policy.
The only exclusivity to a cable network goes to ESPN's Monday Night Football.

I read the final Giants game of the season is going to be exclusive to NFL Network. And it may be that game that will be the determinant of them getting the wild card spot...The local markets will get it via their local channel—I believe My9 or CW11 for us but we will definitely have it. The rest of the country will not see it unless they have access to the NFL Network.


edit... I see motor oil beat me to it...

Does anyone have this problem on CW11HD.. The news ticker at the bottom of the screen is not fully visible when viewing their morning news program? This the only station that has this problem so I do not think it is an overscan issue on my crt hdtv. Thanks.

Not the case.
In New York and Boston, the final Giants game of the season will be seen on over-the-air tv, simulcasting the NFL Network coverage. In NYC, it's WWOR.
That's NFL policy.
The only exclusivity to a cable network goes to ESPN's Monday Night Football.

Monday Night Football also gets sent out to the local markets.

All 16 games (8 road... 8 home if sold out...) of each NFL team must be made available Over The Air in each team's respective primary TV market.
(all cable games are simulcast to the participating team's home markets)

Each team has 1 primary market (SF/Oak share 1... as do the Giants and Jets) (except the Packers - who actually have 2 primary markets... GB and Milwaukee)

FWIW, 2 days ago I was setting up some recordings and notice that every channel seemed blank. It was Sunday, I was setting up Giants/Cowboys and I had to get my ass to work, so I was freaking a bit (no time to call and harass TWC). On a whim, I rebooted the box and all came back.

Anyone ever had something like this happen?

Yes, I've had this happen. It is caused when TWC sends a signal that pushes any kind of channel update to the box (whether it is adding/deleting/renaming/or even changing the logo of a channel), the guide gets blanked out. If you wait about 5-10 minutes, the guide will refresh itself on its own.

Despite what you may think, this happens quite often (2-3 times a week, on average). Its just that it usually happens late at night so you never notice; but I seem to recall it happening on one of days this past weekend to me as well.

Scott

I think Samsung was mentioned multiple times... the big demo TWC did this past summer was on Samsung boxes. Didn't we have a post or two from folks who got Samsung boxes already??

Sorry, I think I misread this post from the TWC thread in the other forum.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6499346.html

SA to Take SDV Platform Into Motorola Shops

Switched Digital Video Manager With Support for Motorola Set-Tops to Begin Deployments by Early 2008
By Todd Spangler -- Multichannel News, 11/9/2007 7:46:00 AM
Scientific Atlanta is extending its switched digital video platform to support digital set-top boxes from its No. 1 competitor, Motorola.

Greg Hardy, vice president of business development for Scientific Atlanta’s transmission network systems group, said the Motorola solution is “in our labs now, and we’ll begin installing and shipping that late this year or early next year.”

Historically, both Motorola and Scientific Atlanta video headend and set-top solutions have been largely proprietary, providing tight integration among their own components.

The component of SA’s SDV solution that would communicate with Motorola set-tops is the Universal Session and Resource Manager. The USRM allows applications, including switched digital video and video-on-demand, to access the network; it then delivers the requested content to edge devices under its control.

The USRM “allows us to break out of the SA-only world, if you will,” Hardy said, by handling additional monitoring and provisioning capabilities that would normally be handled by SA's Digital Network Control System.

Switched digital video lets cable operators free up bandwidth (or deliver more programming in the same amount of bandwidth), by delivering less-frequently viewed channels only when subscribers tune to them.

Scientific Atlanta, a subsidiary of Cisco Systems, announced USRM in January and released the software as an upgrade to its SDV servers in June.

Time Warner Cable, one of SA’s SDV customers, expects to roll out the solution in Motorola-based systems, Hardy said. The operator currently is deploying the vendor’s SDV platform in systems in Ohio and the Carolinas, among other locations.

Overall, SA’s switched digital video customers are in the process of deploying the technology in systems representing more than 7 million homes passed, according to Hardy.

Does anyone have this problem on CW11HD.. The news ticker at the bottom of the screen is not fully visible when viewing their morning news program? This the only station that has this problem so I do not think it is an overscan issue on my crt hdtv. Thanks.

It's not you. WPIX's HD feed is cropped to 14:9.

The local markets will get it via their local channel—I believe My9 or CW11 for us but we will definitely have it. The rest of the country will not see it unless they have access to the NFL Network.

edit... I see motor oil beat me to it...

OK, then the question becomes "in HD?" My9/WWOR DOES have a local NYC HD channel that we actually do get. Somehow, I have a sneaky feeling we'll only get it in SD.

Yes, I've had this happen. It is caused when TWC sends a signal that pushes any kind of channel update to the box (whether it is adding/deleting/renaming/or even changing the logo of a channel), the guide gets blanked out. If you wait about 5-10 minutes, the guide will refresh itself on its own.

Despite what you may think, this happens quite often (2-3 times a week, on average). Its just that it usually happens late at night so you never notice; but I seem to recall it happening on one of days this past weekend to me as well.

Scott

Hmm, this is the very first time I have ever seen this happen... somehow I find it difficult to believe they had a channel updates this past Saturday evening (i.e. early Sunday morning). Every time we have had a channel update (obviously I follow such stuff far more closely than I have prior) I was always checking in around 7 AM.

FWIW, we had co-op board elections last night, so I jumped right in; anyone know the best person at Verizon to call? I KNOW they have a fairly big center just south of Columbia, so I'm thinking it SHOULD be a good place for them to send out some dark fiber!

OK, then the question becomes "in HD?" My9/WWOR DOES have a local NYC HD channel that we actually do get. Somehow, I have a sneaky feeling we'll only get it in SD.
My9 will simply retransmit the NFLN feed, which will be in HD. They've done it before for ESPN MNF games.

One day to go until NG and FSNY HD launch here. That's something.

On an unfortunate note, bot House and The Unit stopped recording for some unknown reason on my 8300HD last night about 50 minutes in. I'm pretty pissed about that.

OK, then the question becomes "in HD?" My9/WWOR DOES have a local NYC HD channel that we actually do get. Somehow, I have a sneaky feeling we'll only get it in SD.

Last year the NFL Network game was simulcast on WNBC in HD

So don't worry.

The game will be on WWOR HD in NYC

Well, maybe TWC updated the firmware on your boxes?

From checking channel 996, it seems like nothing was updated at all.

When does NG HD start?

When does NG HD start?

tomorrow

It's not you. WPIX's HD feed is cropped to 14:9.
Seamus21514,

Thanks very much for the reply. I was hoping it was not just me. It is very annoying indeed.

tomorrow

ok thanks.

If you cant wait until tomorrow.

FSN NY HD is now on Freq 759 Prog# 206 (i'm already trying to compare it to MSGHD... as they are showing the same game with different production teams)

Nat. Geo. HD is on Prog# 207

It's not you. WPIX's HD feed is cropped to 14:9.

Anyone know if there is a logical reason for this?

Anyone know if there is a logical reason for this?

Well...

Lets be clear...

HD content is normal 16:9 HD... (and all SD upconverted CW content is normal 4:3 w/ black bars)


But for some reason - they zoom/crop their SD picture when they are in 'WPIX' local mode... less black bar area - but the top and bottom of their SD content is cut off

Fox Sports Net NY HD and National Geographic HD were both up and running this morning in Queens NY. Hope the rest of you here in the New York City area got them successfully.

Fox Sports Net NY HD and National Geographic HD were both up and running this morning in Queens NY. Hope the rest of you here in the New York City area got them successfully.


Nothing in the HD channel lineup for Manhattan as of 11:45am:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=536&chkCLUCookie=1&Zip=&Image1.x=53&Image1.y=6 :mad:

Fox Sports Net NY HD and National Geographic HD were both up and running this morning in Queens NY. Hope the rest of you here in the New York City area got them successfully.

How do they look? I've been waiting for NG for a long time. It's nice to finally be able to cross a couple more channels off the list.

Nothing in the HD channel lineup for Manhattan as of 11:45am:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=536&chkCLUCookie=1&Zip=&Image1.x=53&Image1.y=6 :mad:

Dude... that is the LAST thing you should be relying on...

but how does the HD on fios look?

Specifically, how did the MSG-HD on FiOS look?

Specifically, how did the MSG-HD on FiOS look?

FiOS doesn't have MSG-HD

How do they look? I've been waiting for NG for a long time. It's nice to finally be able to cross a couple more channels off the list.

I did not get to see actual HD content on them this morning before work. At the time both channels were showing either a commercial or commercial programming in 4:3 with sidebars. I know tonight FSNY-HD has the NY Islanders in Pittsburgh. I will check out the HD quality and report back while I watch the NYR's on MSG-HD

Nothing in the HD channel lineup for Manhattan as of 11:45am:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=536&chkCLUCookie=1&Zip=&Image1.x=53&Image1.y=6 :mad:

Hmm. Did you try rebooting the cable box?

Specifically, how did the MSG-HD on FiOS look?

If they did, I bet it would look real nice.

At least we in the NYC area are slowly getting all the local sports market teams in HD.

I did not get to see actual HD content on them this morning before work. At the time both channels were showing either a commercial or commercial programming in 4:3 with sidebars. I know tonight FSNY-HD has the NY Islanders in Pittsburgh. I will check out the HD quality and report back while I watch the NYR's on MSG-HD

I watched FSNYHD last night (by going thru the box diagnostic mode) during the Rangers-Devils game.

Quality looked to be the same as MSGHD

Fox Sports Net NY HD and National Geographic HD were both up and running this morning in Queens NY. Hope the rest of you here in the New York City area got them successfully.
Thank you Tony I was wondering, WTF? I thought we were suppose to get them on the 15th. I have been here offline since last week so I haven't been able to ask. I will check the quality when I get home tonight. Fingers crossed!!!

Reading TWC sytems numbers there is reason why they aren't exactly laying the red carpet down for HDTV. While their market share is growing, the data is still low.

Highlighted below are pieces of their :SUBSCRIBER UPDATE

They actually gain customers nationwide more so tpo people adding to their existing service to take advantagre of lower startups rates.
During the third quarter of 2007, RGU net additions totaled 522,000. Total
RGUs were 31.5 million at September 30, 2007.


This sounnds good, the more bundles they sell the better service we shold gwet, right?
Bundled Subscribers. At September 30, 2007, nearly 6.9 million customers (47% of the 14.6 million total customer relationships) subscribed to two or more of the Company’s primary services (video, high-speed
data and voice), representing a net addition of 213,000 during the third quarter.

Even triple play is making an impact but number is way to low in my opinion. 2.1 mil out of a base of 15 mil subscribers.
Triple play subscribers totaled 2.1 million at the end of 2007’s third quarter (15% of total customer
relationships), due to 220,000 net additions, a quarterly record.

This is the part that scares me.
At September 30, 2007, Time Warner Cable served 13.3 million basic video subscribers,

While that number sounds like a high number this is the number that matters
Digital Video. At the end of 2007’s third quarter, digital video subscribers totaled 7.9 million, representing a 59% penetration of basic video customers. Digital video net additions were 128,000 during the third
quarter.
ONLY 59% of TWC customers have the service that they need to have HD service, Digital Service,also look at that low number of people adding digital service. HDTV's are selling much faster then that increase. So if 7.9 mil system wide has DTV, factor in HDTV penetrating in only 35% of that number, then don't forget the 20% that aren't to smart. That leaves just over 3 mil that watch HDTV with our loveable TWC. To me these numbers make sense to me why TWC isn't rushing the HD game. IT isn't fair But makes sense. TWC went through this dilema before wityh the SAT companies offerring more, the last time was football and clarity. Now it is HD and clarity But riverside and other city folk aside, they probably think if you want to go, GO! We will release more channels when the numbers go up higher.

Verizon might help increase our HD selections here, but it will be a slow ride.
We might get sporatic bumps like woodside gets next month, but the dual channel addition will probably be the norm. We need the competition and we need it now or people like River, Tony, berk and myself(SAT is not an option for me) will be getting crumbs for the months to come.

It looks pretty good. Any more HD channels in the pipeline?

TIA.....JL

It looks pretty good. Any more HD channels in the pipeline?

TIA.....JL

If you are in in the Woodside, Queens region or Staten Island... a whole lot is coming in December (just check out the TWC Website...)

Effective December 13, 2007 in Woodside, Queens only: We will launch M HD on ch. 720, History HD on ch. 740, A&E HD on ch. 746, Food HD on ch. 750, Lifetime Movies HD on ch. 762, HGTV on ch. 764, and TMC HD on ch. 778, VS HD on ch. 794 and NHL HD on ch. 795.

(Staten Island - already has the HD channels being added in Queens and not listed here) Effective December 13, 2007: We will launch History HD on ch. 740, Lifetime Movies HD on ch. 762, VS HD on ch. 794 and NHL HD on ch. 795.

Effective December 13, 2007 in Woodside, Queens only: We will launch M HD on ch. 720, History HD on ch. 740, A&E HD on ch. 746, Food HD on ch. 750, Lifetime Movies HD on ch. 762, HGTV on ch. 764, and TMC HD on ch. 778, VS HD on ch. 794 and NHL HD on ch. 795.

That is awesome, I just wished TWC & the NFL Network would surprise us all w/ an early Holiday gift & announce an agreement & give us NFL HD Network right away!

Im starting to hate Queens.

At least I finally got NG HD, and FSNY HD, yippie.

Last night I had NG IN HD- now there is nothing there. I think it was right before MaxHD not really sure. Any one else have it? I'm on the UWS

We need the competition and we need it now or people like River, Tony, berk and myself(SAT is not an option for me) will be getting crumbs for the months to come.

All I can say being positive is let cross our fingers and hope we get some more FIOS installations in 2008 or at least some good news on a Statewide franchise agreement.

I honestly think it can only get better, but it will take some time. Technology goes forward and I feel so will our options.

I mean for TWC to spend money on advertising here in NYC against Verizon's FIOS which is barely running in a majority of the NYC area has to make you feel that TWC is somewhat threatened.

The guy in the TWC commercial holding the bowl of fiber cereal makes me laugh. TWC has been using fiber for the last decade!! Oh rly? Maybe in their main offices, but in my home, the only fiber I have is a similar box of cereal. :D

Last night I had NG IN HD- now there is nothing there. I think it was right before MaxHD not really sure. Any one else have it? I'm on the UWS

i have it ch. 765

Last night I had NG IN HD- now there is nothing there. I think it was right before MaxHD not really sure. Any one else have it? I'm on the UWS

Odd, I'm also Man North and sure got NGHD last night.

Now I wish they frakking ditch listing 741 and 750, there is no need at all to keep listing oodles of "No Data" in the grid.

I also notice that the supposed TBS HD channel lists everything as "HDTV" but nothing is. NGHD doesn't list any show as HDTV, but all the ones I saw last night sure as hell are HD.

So now we have 2 "reality" channels, DiscHD and NGHD. Looking good.

BUT, do y'all realize that our HD channels for ALL of 2007 just doubled on the 15th? We went from 2 channels add all year long to 4 channels added all year long. Still leaving us way behind pretty much every market of reasonably sized cities.

It came back CH 765 FSNYHD 748! I wonder what will go on 750 Food HD- how wonderful just what we need. I'll take it though Any more HD CH's are well accepted except no more Sports Ch's for awhile, we have plenty IMO of course. I know I'm gonna get flammed to death for that but I'd like to see more Indies Sundance and such. At Least we have two more today anyone know what's next?

It came back CH 765 FSNYHD 748! I wonder what will go on 750 Food HD- how wonderful just what we need. I'll take it though Any more HD CH's are well accepted except no more Sports Ch's for awhile, we have plenty IMO of course. I know I'm gonna get flammed to death for that but I'd like to see more Indies Sundance and such. At Least we have two more today anyone know what's next?

Yup. I tell you what, once we get VS HD and NHL Network HD I won't clamor for additiona sports channels for a while. ;)

Why is only Woodside getting the additional HD channels? I live in NE Jamaica and just wondering why I am not entitled to the upgrades. BTW, NG-HD(765) still works fine.

TIA...JL

Why is only Woodside getting the additional HD channels? I live in NE Jamaica and just wondering why I am not entitled to the upgrades. BTW, NG-HD(765) still works fine.

TIA...JLSupposedly, :rolleyes: that location, or hub, has the available bandwidth. More importantly, the infrastructure is in place for the competition, Verizon FIOS.

Supposedly, :rolleyes: that location, or hub, has the available bandwidth. More importantly, the infrastructure is in place for the competition, Verizon FIOS.

Thanks for the info. Unless it can provide the service to all its customers, TWC should not be rolling out any new services. We all pay the same rates and fees so we should be receiving the services.

REgards...JL

Thanks for the info. Unless it can provide the service to all its customers, TWC should not be rolling out any new services. We all pay the same rates and fees so we should be receiving the services.

REgards...JL

I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Any one with a 8300HDC have there box upgrade the cablecard and then boot??I can not tell what happend.

Thanks for the info. Unless it can provide the service to all its customers, TWC should not be rolling out any new services. We all pay the same rates and fees so we should be receiving the services.

REgards...JL

Ah, at least SOMEBODY ELSE is as upset over this as I am!

Actually, we do NOT all pay the same rates. Far as I can tell, only Manhattan is shut out of the up to 10% rate reduction... live here and you REALLY pay more for less.

Any one with a 8300HDC have there box upgrade the cablecard and then boot??I can not tell what happend.

Anyone ???:confused:

When I browse to NGHD and FSNHD, I get the Please call ###### to subscribe to this service message screen. Do I need a separate package to view these new channels? Doesn't make sense. I am in Manhattan with 8300HD. I have tried rebooting it with a 5 min cold start but still no go. Anyone having similar issues?

I've got to give MSG some props for broadcasting the last 3 Rangers road games in HD (NJ, Phi, and tonight in Pit.) They weren't flawless (there were some technical issues in the last two games) but I was impressed that we got the HD feeds from Philly and Pittsburgh.

On another positive note, the Rangers are now in 1st place with 5 straight wins! Can't wait to be at the Garden on Monday as they go for 6 in a row.

When I browse to NGHD and FSNHD, I get the Please call ###### to subscribe to this service message screen. Do I need a separate package to view these new channels? Doesn't make sense. I am in Manhattan with 8300HD. I have tried rebooting it with a 5 min cold start but still no go. Anyone having similar issues?

I live in manhattan and have a 8300 DVR and im getting both channels. However, If you only have the basic cable package (starter package) then you have to call TWC to upgrade your service. Im sure there are other channels that your not getting also such as TV land maybe (85). Hope this helps.

I live in manhattan and have a 8300 DVR and im getting both channels. However, If you only have the basic cable package (starter package) then you have to call TWC to upgrade your service. Im sure there are other channels that your not getting also such as TV land maybe (85). Hope this helps.
This happened to me i called TWC they will refresh your box. My box was refreshed every thing works. Good luck

Angel:cool:

This happened to me i called TWC they will refresh your box. My box was refreshed every thing works. Good luck

Angel:cool:

what you talking about my cable works perfectly fine, it was the other guy who was having problems. thanks.

what you talking about my cable works perfectly fine, it was the other guy who was having problems. thanks.

Sorry about that.:o

my 8300HDC also reported upgrading the firmware of the cablecard, but the navigator version stayed the same, so i hope the cablecard fix helps with some of the problems

My Explorer 8300HD box is fried; it does 1/2 of a boot then stops and repeats. TWC couldn't fix it remotely. Two questions:

1. Can I just go to 23rd st. and get a new box, or do I need an appointment, incident number, etc. first?

2. Is the Explorer 8300HD still the HD DVR to get or is there some new version or better box?

I apologize in advance for not having searched the hundreds of pages on this forum for the answer that is surely out there, but allow me to plead for a quick answer from those in the know.

Thanks.

My Explorer 8300HD box is fried; it does 1/2 of a boot then stops and repeats. TWC couldn't fix it remotely. Two questions:

1. Can I just go to 23rd st. and get a new box, or do I need an appointment, incident number, etc. first?

2. Is the Explorer 8300HD still the HD DVR to get or is there some new version or better box?

I apologize in advance for not having searched the hundreds of pages on this forum for the answer that is surely out there, but allow me to plead for a quick answer from those in the know.

Thanks.
yes u can go to 23rd with your box and the hd-dvr is the sa8300hdc with the new mystro software

I live in manhattan and have a 8300 DVR and im getting both channels. However, If you only have the basic cable package (starter package) then you have to call TWC to upgrade your service. Im sure there are other channels that your not getting also such as TV land maybe (85). Hope this helps.
I dunno about Manhattan, but in Staten Island, all HD channels are available on Digital Starter Pack with the exception of HDNet, HDNet Movies, Mojo and the premiums. So NGCHD and FSNY HD should be available to anyone with an HD box.

Hi All,

I am doing some research for my brother who is thinking about building a HTPC. What is the current status with unencrypted QAM stations for TWC in lower Manhattan? I searched this thread and saw that the locals in HD as well as Discovery HD were available. The posts were from a few years back though, so I just wanted to check to see what people can recieve these days. Any of you still using regular QAM tuners (not cable cards)? Thanks in advance for any help!

yes u can go to 23rd with your box and the hd-dvr is the sa8300hdc with the new mystro software

Thanks for the quick info. Now that I've had a minute to search the forum, I see people are just absolutely in love with their 8300HDCs. I can't wait.

Hi All,

I am doing some research for my brother who is thinking about building a HTPC. What is the current status with unencrypted QAM stations for TWC in lower Manhattan? I searched this thread and saw that the locals in HD as well as Discovery HD were available. The posts were from a few years back though, so I just wanted to check to see what people can recieve these days. Any of you still using regular QAM tuners (not cable cards)? Thanks in advance for any help!

A while back Discovery HD was encrypted so it can no longer be picked up on the QAM tuner.

In Queens, the only HD I can pick up are the locals and TNT-HD.

A while back Discovery HD was encrypted so it can no longer be picked up on the QAM tuner.

In Queens, the only HD I can pick up are the locals and TNT-HD.

Thats great that atleast you get TNT-HD. I live out in central jersey and I only get the locals. I do however get all the analog equivelants too though over unencrypted QAM. Do you get any of those in NYC, or do you just get the locals and TNT?

Thats great that atleast you get TNT-HD. I live out in central jersey and I only get the locals. I do however get all the analog equivelants too though over unencrypted QAM. Do you get any of those in NYC, or do you just get the locals and TNT?


I get a whole bunch of SD over the QAM, but I have no interest in ever tuning in to any of them.

When I browse to NGHD and FSNHD, I get the Please call ###### to subscribe to this service message screen. Do I need a separate package to view these new channels? Doesn't make sense. I am in Manhattan with 8300HD. I have tried rebooting it with a 5 min cold start but still no go. Anyone having similar issues?

Although you're up and running OK now, there IS an issue. Whenever one goes with a new box that has different services attached to it, it is NOT unusual for such odd things to happen. One time (before HD) I got a different box w/DVR service and spent two full weeks with absolutely NOTHING blocked. I could get all the PPV movies without any cost. I actually thought it as some subtle marketing trick... even though it seems it wasn't. I STILL think opening everything up for a set period of time costs them almost nothing, but sure as hell WOULD entice some to pay for additional services.

Something similar happened when I got my 8300HD DVR. DiscHD and UnHD had "subscribe" notices. BUT all the HDXtra channels were wide open (at the time, 5 HD channels). 3-4 days later, I lost all the HDXtras but got DiscHD and UnHD. AND I ended up subscribing to HDXtra, even though they have constantly downgraded it, it's a 5 buck premium for 2 HDNet and one MOJO channels and the HDNet is way worth the cost.

FWIW, did anyone notice that last night's Ranger/Islanders WAS shown on MSG AND FSNY simultaneously?

FWIW, did anyone notice that last night's Ranger/Islanders WAS shown on MSG AND FSNY simultaneously?That’s both home teams’ channels. It’s just like when the Yankees play the Mets and it’s on both YES and SNY.... or the Knicks play the Nets- YES and MSG.

Verizon is expanding its offer of a free Sharp Aquos 19-inch LCD HDTV to new FiOS triple-play subscribers in at least five more states, after kicking off the signup incentive program last month in the New York metro area.

The telco began promoting the offer Oct. 15 in its New York, New Jersey and southern Connecticut markets. Verizon director of media relations Jim Smith said based on early results there, the company decided to launch the promotion starting this week in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maryland, Virginia and parts of the Midwest including Fort Wayne, Ind.
-Multichannel News

That commercial they run for the free HDTV set is like salt in the wound.

That commercial they run for the free HDTV set is like salt in the wound....But Verizon has their head in the sand too. They keep sending me fliers trying to get me to (re-)sign up (I had Verizon land line forever until switching over to TW triple play) yapping about FIOS-- when it’s not even available to me! However, I just got a flyer yesterday from them that has a triple play package that includes DirecTv as their television portion of the triple play. Hmmmm.

Oh, by the way, no mention of a free tv but they do offer 200 bucks- 100 for signing and 100 after one year..

Just got an SA 8300 HD DVR. Has the firewire / 1394 story changed at all? Reading back, I have the impression it's disabled for all 8300s. Should I even bother trying my 8300?

Does the 3250 have an active port?

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6504425.html?desc=topstory

"Verizon will kick up the price of its primary FiOS TV programming package by 12% for subscribers who sign up after Jan. 20, 2008."

This was posted in the OTA thread....



WWOR-HD to show 2 Rangers and 2 Knicks games

Cable or Broadcast?
It's hard to tell sometimes.

That'll be the case Sunday when NY City broadcast station MY9 WWOR-TV
carries MSG-produced coverage of the New York Rangers vs Dallas Stars
NHL game at 1pm ET.

The stunt is part of a 4-game package for the broadcast station,
including one more Rangers' game (Dec 16 vs Phoenix) and a pair of
New York Knicks' basketball games (Dec 30 vs Chicago and Mar 30 vs
Atlanta). All four games will be produced in HD and feature MSG
announcers. Carriage on WWOR will give MSG increased exposure in the
NY metro market, said Lydia Murphy-Stephans, EVP, Programming and
Production for MSG. WWOR-TV's incentive is obvious, offering coverage
of the white-hot Rangers. The Knicks, while not playing well, are
generating plenty of headlines with reports of internal dissention
between guard Stephon Marbury and coach Isiah Thomas.

MSG is part of Madison Square Garden, L.P., which is owned by the
Dolans' Cablevision Systems Corp, which also owns the Knicks, Rangers
and the Garden itself. WWOR-TV My9 and WNYW FOX 5 are owned-and-
operated by the FOX Television Stations, an owned-and-operated
network broadcast group with 35 stations in 26 markets and covering
nearly 45% of U.S. television homes.

http://www.cable360.net/technology/news/26708.html

This was posted in the OTA thread....



WWOR-HD to show 2 Rangers and 2 Knicks games

Cable or Broadcast?
It's hard to tell sometimes.

That'll be the case Sunday when NY City broadcast station MY9 WWOR-TV
carries MSG-produced coverage of the New York Rangers vs Dallas Stars
NHL game at 1pm ET.

The stunt is part of a 4-game package for the broadcast station,
including one more Rangers' game (Dec 16 vs Phoenix) and a pair of
New York Knicks' basketball games (Dec 30 vs Chicago and Mar 30 vs
Atlanta). All four games will be produced in HD and feature MSG
announcers. Carriage on WWOR will give MSG increased exposure in the
NY metro market, said Lydia Murphy-Stephans, EVP, Programming and
Production for MSG. WWOR-TV's incentive is obvious, offering coverage
of the white-hot Rangers. The Knicks, while not playing well, are
generating plenty of headlines with reports of internal dissention
between guard Stephon Marbury and coach Isiah Thomas.

MSG is part of Madison Square Garden, L.P., which is owned by the
Dolans' Cablevision Systems Corp, which also owns the Knicks, Rangers
and the Garden itself. WWOR-TV My9 and WNYW FOX 5 are owned-and-
operated by the FOX Television Stations, an owned-and-operated
network broadcast group with 35 stations in 26 markets and covering
nearly 45% of U.S. television homes.

http://www.cable360.net/technology/news/26708.html

Ah... so thats the plan... I was wondering why this Sunday's game was gonna be on channel 9...

Knicks and Rangers haven't been OTA locally since 1989....

Rate Changes

Due to increases in programming and other operating costs, we have modified our rates. You may be receiving a separate letter detailing any exceptions that apply to you.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/50/Content%20Management/Products%20And%20Services/images/RateChanges_MN.gif

© 2007 Time Warner Cable Inc. All rights reserved.

thats even more of a reason to cancel HBO, especailly since CUE season is over, no more Sopranos, Rome, Oz and no Entourage, why bother

...But Verizon has their head in the sand too. They keep sending me fliers trying to get me to (re-)sign up (I had Verizon land line forever until switching over to TW triple play) yapping about FIOS-- when it’s not even available to me! However, I just got a flyer yesterday from them that has a triple play package that includes DirecTv as their television portion of the triple play. Hmmmm.

Oh, by the way, no mention of a free tv but they do offer 200 bucks- 100 for signing and 100 after one year..

Interesting. Do they have the fiber installed to your block or building? About when did that happen? I'm curious because I still think TWC is actively blocking Verizon in some way from getting that franchise they must have to offer TV services.

I guess you haven't had that many TWC outages that make their phone service useless... like I have said, at least three times in the past three years I was OUT of IP connectivity for 3-5 days each time. Plus at least half a dozen times when it was out for under 6 hours.

Still, partnering with D*TV is very interesting. There's sure as sh*t something else going on here... once they sign on as such, how would Verizon get the customer to switch to the FIOS TV service? One does have to actually buy the DVR box from D*TV, don't they?

It's only speculation but somehow I get the sneaky feeling Verizon KNOWS it is going to take years to secure a franchise agreement.

Rate Changes

Due to increases in programming and other operating costs, we have modified our rates. You may be receiving a separate letter detailing any exceptions that apply to you.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/50/Content%20Management/Products%20And%20Services/images/RateChanges_MN.gif

© 2007 Time Warner Cable Inc. All rights reserved.

Good grief! Right after they offered 10% discounts to areas getting FAR more HD channels than we have, they spring this on us. Wanna bet these rather large increases are NOT going to happen in SI or Woodside?

And there is ABSOLUTELY nothing most of us can do about it... except to REMEMBER how we in Manhattan are being treated. As in remember it when Verizon comes along with it's triple play package!