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coreynyc

03-28-08, 09:36 AM

My 8300HD isn't properly recording shows that I record while in progress (in the buffer).

Yesterday was the second such occurrence, I was watching the 5 O'Clock Eyewitness News on Ch 7 and they had a story that my fiance would have been interested in near sometime arounf 5:50-5:55, so I pressed the record button on my remote and went through the rest of the process on screen.

It showed up in my list as being recorded from 5:23-6:00 (I flipped away from ch 7 at some point, so the 5:23 made sense). When I go to watch the show, the time line bar at the bottom of the screen initially indicates that I have 5:23-6:00 recorded and then it suddenly only shows 5:23-5:32 and I cannot go past 5:32.

This same thing happened to me the other day when I tried to record a Spring Training Mets game that I was watching & was already in progress, the DVR only captured a portion of the time period it was supposed to.

Has anyone had this problem before? Is my box slowly dying? I already did a reboot the other day (in between incidents) so I know that won't solve anything.

Agent_C

03-28-08, 10:12 AM

LL3HD

03-28-08, 10:42 AM

... I pressed the record button on my remote and went through the rest of the process on screen....I flipped away from ch 7 at some point, so the 5:23 made sense). When I go to watch the show, the time line bar at the bottom of the screen initially indicates that I have 5:23-6:00 recorded and then it suddenly only shows 5:23-5:32 and I cannot go past 5:32..Next time swap tuners with the PIP button so you are not on the recording channel and then proceed to change channels.

rbienstock

03-28-08, 11:16 AM

I've encountered this anomaly before. It has nothing to do with the hardware. The recording stopped when you tuned away. Near as I can determine, only scheduled recordings work reliably on the 8300HD's. You can try the 8300HD(C), but that may very well turn out to be a bullet through the big toe.
Right. The glitch really isn't that the show doesn't record properly but that the software doesn't either automatically switch to an unused tuner (which is what it is supposed to do when you change channels during a recording) or tell you that it can't change channels unless you stop the recording.

marcos_p

03-28-08, 01:22 PM

coreynyc

03-28-08, 03:08 PM

I think you and the other responders misunderstood what happened.

I am almost certain that I watched ch 7 straight through from 5:23 until 6:00, when the news ended. I started recording some time around 5:50-5:55 when the story I wanted aired.

So regardless of whatever flipping around I might have done before 5:50-ish, I should have at least gotten those last few minutes of the show.

I've encountered this anomaly before. It has nothing to do with the hardware. The recording stopped when you tuned away. Near as I can determine, only scheduled recordings work reliably on the 8300HD's. You can try the 8300HD(C), but that may very well turn out to be a bullet through the big toe.

A_C

Berk32

03-28-08, 04:32 PM

I think you and the other responders misunderstood what happened.

I am almost certain that I watched ch 7 straight through from 5:23 until 6:00, when the news ended. I started recording some time around 5:50-5:55 when the story I wanted aired.

So regardless of whatever flipping around I might have done before 5:50-ish, I should have at least gotten those last few minutes of the show.

The box goes back and starts the record transfer when you hit record - your record buffer had started at 5:23... once you flipped away - the buffer was lost - and the box stopped recording since it 'thought' the program was finished. So you are left with just the first 5 minutes

It's a flaw in the software....

coreynyc

03-28-08, 05:24 PM

OK, but after 5:23, I most likely stayed on Ch 7 the whole time. So it should have recorded from 5:23 forward or from 5:55 forward, at the very least. All I got was 5:23-5:32

The box goes back and starts the record transfer when you hit record - your record buffer had started at 5:23... once you flipped away - the buffer was lost - and the box stopped recording since it 'thought' the program was finished. So you are left with just the first 5 minutes

It's a flaw in the software....

broadwayblue

03-28-08, 06:17 PM

OK, but after 5:23, I most likely stayed on Ch 7 the whole time. So it should have recorded from 5:23 forward or from 5:55 forward, at the very least. All I got was 5:23-5:32

Definitely sounds like a glitch. The box should have recorded everything on Ch 7 from the last time you turned to it before pressing record, until at least the end of the selected program. Sometimes I don't think there are valid reasons for why these things happen. I've experienced these kinds of ghosts before and they usually don't recur very often, if ever.

My least favorite issue occurs on occasion when I'm behind live while watching a Rangers game that I'm recording...and at the time the recording is scheduled to end it takes me away from the point in the game I'm up to straight to live! When this happens I have to make a mad dash for the mute button and simultaneously avert my eyes from the screen lest I see the final score. Why the box doesn't just stop recording and let me continue watching from where I am never made sense to me. There are a lot of these types of bugs, but hopefully they are reduced over time.

LL3HD

03-28-08, 06:56 PM

My least favorite issue occurs on occasion when I'm behind live while watching a Rangers game that I'm recording...and at the time the recording is scheduled to end it takes me away from the point in the game I'm up to straight to live! When this happens I have to make a mad dash for the mute button and simultaneously avert my eyes from the screen lest I see the final score. Why the box doesn't just stop recording and let me continue watching from where I am never made sense to me. There are a lot of these types of bugs, but hopefully they are reduced over time. :rolleyes::mad:This is an annoyance I experience regularly. I go through the same fumbling of the remote usually getting the game (or whatever) back up and running rather quickly. I got the routine down-- hitting the “list” button and then the “resume play” all while that grey screen is still on. :cool:

I think this happens when I’m watching live on delay while it’s recording. It doesn’t happen if I select it from the list and hit play. But then again, :confused: I really don’t remember because I usually freak out when it happens and never remember to take note of my situation. I’m more concerned getting the program back on. :o ;)

LL3HD

03-28-08, 09:18 PM

Well I just tested this “problem” discussed in the previous two posts. ^^^^^ It seems like what I posted above is wrong.

I was recording a show and watching something else. I decided to watch what was recording. Instead of going into the “list menu” and pressing play I decided to swap tuners and rewind. I did this and when the actual recording time ended nothing happened. I didn’t have to “resume play” so maybe my above post is correct if the procedure is reversed..? :confused::rolleyes:

Quaker2001

03-29-08, 01:19 AM

I have a friend with an 8300HD box (not HDC). They live in Manhattan/Chelsea.

They are renovating their bathroom and thus have to move out for a few weeks. They have found a sublet in Manhattan, and the sublet has cable. They asked me whether they could just take thier 8300HD with them and use it in the sublet.

I have no idea. Anybody out there who's tried this? Any opinions?

Thanks,
-barry

I've done this before, borrowing a box from my parents' apartment to use in mine. Done it twice actually, worked fine both times.

G1Ravage

03-30-08, 12:45 AM

EricScott

03-30-08, 10:30 AM

Anyone noticing pretty awful pixellation and stuttering on analog channels? I have two 8300HDs and the one in the bedroom, which the wife primarily watches, has been awful the past week or so. So far she only seems to notice the problem on analog channels - Bravo (18), TBS (8), Family Channel (38), FX (37), NBC (4). For example, she just tried TBS-HD (708) and NBC-HD (704) and the problem wasn't there. Basically the video and the audio just stutter making some shows almost unwatchable. I primarily use the living room 8300 and almost never watch analog channels so I haven't noticed it as much. Just did a quick A/B comparison putting both boxes on the same channel (8) and hers is much worse - mine seems fine. However we just started getting into that NYC Housewives show on Bravo and I did notice some artifacting on the other box as well.

Seems like it is probably her box. Tried rebooting her box and I think it made it worse.

Anyone else noticing these problems? Any suggestions? Hopefully I won't have to exchange my box for one of those new ones.

TIA

ANGEL 35

03-30-08, 11:12 AM

I am having problems with my RR modem the lights keep going from 2 lights to 4 lights. When i have only 2 lights i can not get the internet when 4 lights are on i get it. does any one have this??. I live on the UWS. W.70s I have RCA modem,8300HDC box.

justlou

03-30-08, 11:47 AM

LL3HD

03-30-08, 12:07 PM

If you get Time Warner's Triple Play, do you have to have a certain cable box to receive Caller ID on your TV? Or will it automatically work with your current cable box?

I have an 8300HD currently, with Passport Exho 2.6.002.The caller ID does not work on your 8300 HD box. It supposedly :rolleyes: works on the newer HDC version. I also have the Triple Play and would like to have the caller ID function but I certainly will not exchange my older box for the reviled newer one.

bahill

03-30-08, 02:01 PM

Caller ID works great on my 8300HDC.

Berk32

03-30-08, 05:39 PM

manhattan12345

03-30-08, 06:31 PM

Hi all, I have a TV which only has a DVI input so I have my upconverting DVD connected to it using an HDMI-DVI cable and get a good pic, but since DVI doesn't carry audio, I only have the sound by using RCA cables (red & white) from the DVD to the TV. Will an optical cable going from the DVD to an AVR give me 5.1 surround sound through the AVR's speakers? (And, by the way, is Toslink, which I see referred to sometimes, the same as optical?)
Thanks.

Prey521

03-30-08, 06:37 PM

manhattan12345

03-30-08, 06:49 PM

Thanks for the quick response Prey. I'm going to get it set up then - I was a little hesitant to buy an optical if it wasn't going to give me any better sound than what I get through the TV speakers. And I sort of figured Toslink was the same as optical, just from the context I have seen it used before, but I wasn't quite 100% sure. Why the heck do they call the same thing by different names sometimes! :)

MacAlert

03-31-08, 10:28 AM

jessegun23

03-31-08, 04:16 PM

So whats the best Cable box out there for NYC people with TimeWarner? I have a HDDVR but I have no idea what model it is

I'm also pretty sick of being forced to go with Time Warner in my apartment building

slumpey326

03-31-08, 04:17 PM

8300hdc is the best box at present time (HD DVR)

jessegun23

03-31-08, 05:16 PM

thanks i will have to check and see what i have

disafan

03-31-08, 11:10 PM

Greetings from Queens, where more of our analog lineup has been dropped. I haven't checked scrambled channels, as my TV filters them, but

Comedy Central, CNN Headline News, Fox News, Fox Business NEws, HGTV, The Learning Channel, and ABC Family have definitely left the analog lineup. That's 7 analog slots gone for digital service to be added.

nyrashyster

03-31-08, 11:22 PM

Gooddog

04-01-08, 12:07 PM

Anyone in OC know if TW has begun to switch over analog customers to digital yet?

Verizon has received its first approval in Orange County with the ok from the Town of Newburgh to offer FiOS TV service starting this year. Even though Verizon does not serve the entire county, I expect TWC to jump in to high gear in the area to compete.

manhattan12345

04-01-08, 02:46 PM

Multichannel News

Test Shows Comcast’s HD Squeeze In Virginia
A/V Enthusiast Finds Comcast HD Bit Rates As Much As 28% Lower Than Verizon’s

By Todd Spangler -- Multichannel News

Comcast has said it can pack three high-definition signals into space typically used for two—without viewers noticing a drop in quality. But at least one viewer has.

A member of AVS Forum, a community site for audio/video enthusiasts, has posted the results of his comparison of the compression rates for 10 HD channels offered by Comcast and Verizon Communications’ FiOS TV in Northern Virginia.

The user, “bfdtv,” said his test showed Comcast is delivering certain MPEG-2 HD channels at bit rates as much as 28% lower than Verizon, resulting in lower-quality pictures.

For example, an A&E HD broadcast of an episode of The Sopranos had an average bit rate of 18.66 Megabits per second on FiOS TV, whereas Comcast’s version was 22.4% lower—at 14.48 Mbps. Verizon, like most cable companies, distributes linear TV programming in MPEG-2 format.

Multichannel News contacted “bfdtv,” whose real name is Ken Fowler, an audio/video buff who lives in Arlington, Va.

Fowler, reached by phone Wednesday, said he works in the financial services industry and has no stake in the success of Verizon or any other pay-TV provider.

Fowler said he conducted the test -- and posted screen captures showing the different picture quality between the two services -- to confirm his suspicion that some of Comcast’s HD channels were being more highly compressed than Verizon’s. “I did notice the difference, and I wanted to know that I wasn’t seeing things,” he said.

Comcast senior director of corporate communications Jenni Moyer said the company could not comment on Fowler’s test or his methodology.

“HD picture quality is extremely important to our customers and to us, and when we conduct picture quality tests, we use independent third-parties and industry-accepted testing methodologies with expert and consumer participants,” she said.

Comcast, along with the rest of the cable industry, is facing an HD balancing act.

Cable providers need to add high-definition programming, to fight the 90-plus HD lineup now offered by DirecTV. But they also need to ensure they don’t sacrifice quality for quantity—and risk disappointing the likes of AVS Forum’s habitués.

In his testing, Fowler recorded the same programs as delivered by FiOS TV and Comcast, using two TiVos with CableCards.

He then extracted the video files from the TiVo digital video recorders and calculated average bit rates for each program by dividing the length of the video in seconds (as displayed by MPEG-2 video software VideoReDo) with the overall file size.

Fowler found Comcast has not applied higher compression rates to every HD channel. High-definition signals from local broadcast stations aren’t recompressed, he said, and as of March 18, ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD and Comcast SportsNet also remained “at full quality.”

But on Comcast’s more highly compressed HD channels, Fowler said, the video exhibits noticeable blurring during high-motion sequences.

Fowler conceded that his standards for whether one provider’s HD looks better than another’s may be higher than the typical subscriber.

“I’m probably not the average viewer,” he said. “The average viewer probably isn’t going to go on AVS [Forum] to find out information like this.”

Now, why does he subscribe to both FiOS TV and Comcast in the first place?

Fowler said he switched from Comcast to Verizon FiOS last year because it offered faster Internet access and more HD channels for less money.

About a month ago, Comcast in Northern Virginia launched several new channels that FiOS did not yet offer, including CNN HD, Sci Fi Channel HD and USA Network HD. In addition, Comcast announced it would carry high-definition telecasts from Mid-Atlantic Sports Network, which is “important to me as a Washington Nationals fan,” Fowler said.

After discovering FiOS would not have those new HD channels in his area before late July, he decided to switch.

Comcast also offered him a special deal—digital TV service with HBO and Starz at $39.99 per month for six months—which “certainly played a part in that decision,” said Fowler.

And because his FiOS TV service contract wasn’t up yet, he decided to do a head-to-head comparison.

“I’ve been around AVS [Forum] for a long time,” Fowler said, “and I’m one of the advocates for getting the best possible quality you can.”

Agent_C

04-01-08, 03:52 PM

I'm also pretty sick of being forced to go with Time Warner in my apartment building

What else is offered in your area?

A_C

velomec

04-02-08, 12:57 PM

I just moved into a new apartment - in my old one I had DSL for broadband and i put an antenna on the roof of my apartment for OTA HD broadcasts. Together with my Media Center PC it worked great. In my new apartment DSL was not available so I ordered TWC Broadband - on a whim and because there was already a splitter attached I connected it to my TV and was surprised to notice that it appears that basic cable is being received - including the local channels in HD.

Rather than talking another landlord into allowing me to put an antenna on the roof - I'd like to try and use this as a solution for my local HD broadcasts - but I am having some problems figuring out how to set it up in Media Center - the guide doesn't populate and i am not receiving any channels through the PC. It's a basic HTPC that i built and I have a HDHomeRun tuner attached.

If anyone has gone through this set up I'd appreciate some suggestions.

jessegun23

04-02-08, 05:28 PM

What else is offered in your area?

A_C

I live at West 47th between 6th and 7th and I was told by our building managent that we are only wired for time warner and that we have to go through time warner. Kind of lame if you ask me. Not really sure how true that is.

Berk32

04-02-08, 07:39 PM

I live at West 47th between 6th and 7th and I was told by our building managent that we are only wired for time warner and that we have to go through time warner. Kind of lame if you ask me. Not really sure how true that is.

um... most buildings in manhattan are only wired for time warner...

very very very few have RCN alone (or both)

TonyNYC

04-03-08, 01:13 AM

CableCARD upgrade at 1:10am. What was kind of interesting was that it upgraded while the program I was watching on DVR was still on and prompted me on screen that it was doing it.

Not sure what was upgraded, but at least one was confirmed.

DigitalfreakNYC

04-03-08, 08:48 AM

News today!

http://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=350407

Time Warner Cable of New York and New Jersey is poised to carry 100 High Definition (HD) channels and add more than 250 HD On Demand choices by the end of 2008 across the company's service area, starting with a total of 50 on April 30.

As of April 30th, these will be added:
NY1 HD on ch. 701
ABC Family HD on ch. 738
Disney HD on 749
The Learning Channel HD on 752
Science Channel HD on ch. 775
Toon Disney on ch. 787
Speed Channel HD on ch. 793
Weather Channel HD on ch. 772

Berk32

04-03-08, 09:38 AM

New article in the NY Post today:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04032008/business/tw_cable_upgrades_its_vod_104861.htm

As of April 30th, these will be added:
NY1 HD on ch. 701
ABC Family HD on ch. 738
Disney HD on 749
The Learning Channel HD on 752
Science Channel HD on ch. 775
Toon Disney on ch. 787
Speed Channel HD on ch. 793
Weather Channel HD on ch. 772

Yeah... we know... Check back a few pages... (Manhattan people are :mad:)

The author of that article got things a bit messed up though...

SI, Brooklyn, and Queens will be adding HD channels at the end of the month to bring their TOTAL to about 50....

DigitalfreakNYC

04-03-08, 09:49 AM

Yeah... we know... Check back a few pages... (Manhattan people are :mad:)

The author of that article got things a bit messed up though...

SI, Brooklyn, and Queens will be adding HD channels at the end of the month to bring their TOTAL to about 50....

Check the new link I put up. Manhattan will have them later this year.

Good thing I live in Queens. :)

coneyparleg

04-03-08, 10:20 AM

News today!

http://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=350407

As of April 30th, these will be added:
NY1 HD on ch. 701
ABC Family HD on ch. 738
Disney HD on 749
The Learning Channel HD on 752
Science Channel HD on ch. 775
Toon Disney on ch. 787
Speed Channel HD on ch. 793
Weather Channel HD on ch. 772
"except in manhattan?" I'm being pessimistic today :(

Berk32

04-03-08, 10:27 AM

Check the new link I put up. Manhattan will have them later this year.

Good thing I live in Queens. :)

Well we knew that too..... Around June or July (northern Manhattan analog service will be eliminated late May)

Lets see how close to 100 they get to by the end of the year...

TWC website news release today: http://www.timewarnercable.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/TWCPressReleaseDivDetail.ashx?PRID=2193&MarketID=50

You have to just love the 'spin' on this... 'launching 50 HD channels" - when half of them were already available to everyone... and SI and woodside already have most of the rest...

Berk32

04-03-08, 10:52 AM

I'm trying to "guess" what MLB HD is

NHL HD 'should' be the NHL Network HD... but there is no MLB Network (yet - launches 1/1/09.. and TWC is already signed on to carry it)... do they mean the 'GAMEHD' channel that is included with MLB Extra Innings? That would be nice (for those that get EI)

AndyHDTV

04-03-08, 12:03 PM

well, looks like more HD channels are going to be added to the april 30th launch

Fox Business News HD
Fox News HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
Travel Channel HD
& MLB HD which I'm also assuming is GAME-HD

i guess Speed-HD isn't part of this launch anymore.

skar

04-03-08, 12:50 PM

Anyone know or want to make a prediction whether the April 30th rollout or the 100 HD channels by year's end will require SDV?

I'm considering buying a TiVo Series 3 before they disappear.

Berk32

04-03-08, 02:09 PM

Anyone know or want to make a prediction whether the April 30th rollout or the 100 HD channels by year's end will require SDV?

I'm considering buying a TiVo Series 3 before they disappear.

4/30 roll out definitely doesn't require SDV - they're dropping analog service.

As for later? No idea... but if they plan on adding all the extra services that they talk about.... possibly... the plan is for it to be implemented eventually....
(right now, for example, Manhattan has 80 Analog channels.... when they drop the ~45 scrambled ones, thats enough room for 90-135 more HD channels. So the need for SDV isn't there right now for just HD... but with the extra On-Demand Services.... its going to become tight again eventually.)

AndyHDTV

04-03-08, 03:03 PM

if they start putting 2 HD channels in one cam (which they should really do) then at the end of the year they will begin to run into bandwidth problems yet again. Also they might get DOCSIS 3.0 started late this year or early next year, and that alone grabs some analog slots.

UnnDunn

04-03-08, 03:41 PM

i guess Speed-HD isn't part of this launch anymore.
Well, poo. :(

KingMax

04-03-08, 06:31 PM

UnnDunn

04-03-08, 07:19 PM

hi everyone.

i've been a TWC customer for many, many years. i dislike them as much as the next guy, if not more. i've only stayed with them for so long because I always thought there was no other option.

even with today's announced additional HD channel rollout on april 30th i'm thinking more and more about switching to Direct TV.

my fear, naturally, is what kind of reception i'll get. I live in Brooklyn, pretty close to the east river and there aren't many tall buildings around. but i've never had sat tv and it feels like there's no way of knowing what kind of reception i'll get unless i just sign up for it.

does anyone here have experience with Direct TV or other sat cos? i tried to look for a thread specific to Direct TV and New York/Brooklyn but couldn't find anything.

any advice would be appreciated.

thanks.
As long as you have an unobstructed view of the southwestern sky, DirecTV reception really won't be a problem. At worst, you may get occasional dropouts during heavy precipitation, but even those are likely to occur only if you have a poorly-aimed satellite dish. Tightening up the aim will fix it in the vast majority of cases. A well-installed and well-aimed satellite dish will be just as reliable as cable (if not moreso.)

For more info, check out DBSTalk.com (http://www.dbstalk.com), which is the AVSForum sister site dedicated to all things satellite TV related.

KingMax

04-03-08, 07:51 PM

Thanks, UnnDunn.

Can you (or anyone else) speak to the PQ differences between Direct TV (or other sat) and HD cable, first hand?

slumpey326

04-03-08, 08:07 PM

need help with using hdmi cable and 8300hdc.

right now everytime I turn on the tv, the cable show black bars on both side eventhoug I have the cable box set to stretch mode. Is there anyway to get it so that everytime the tv turns on, the picture automatically fits the whole screen.

The funny thing is with component cable everything works fine. TV turns on and the cable picture fits the whole screen in stretch mode.

dampfnudel

04-04-08, 01:20 AM

Scifi HD and USA HD are still missing. I want like to see some of the final episodes of BSG in HD. I know Universal HD will eventually air them, but that probably won't be until later in the year or next year. I wouldn't mind getting Spike HD and all of my HBO premium channels in HD as well. I know some of you guys will say some people are never satisfied, but I want my Scifi in HD, dammit !

PS - I think I read somewhere that TWC has to renew their contract with Scifi/USA and I believe that's in June (unless someone can correct me on that). Maybe we'll get some news then. Anyway, Travel Channel HD should be an interesting channel for HD content.

manhattan12345

04-04-08, 03:09 AM

SciFi/USA are part of NBC Uni so maybe they are all together with renewals and TW ain't going to let NBC go - there would be a mass uprising. They got a lot of grief when they had the feud with ch. 7. I would like to see BBC America in HD (for Dr. Who and Torchwood:) and also the movie channels multiple feeds. I guess we all have our preferences. Maybe one day in the next, oh, decade or so, we will get them all.

ANGEL 35

04-04-08, 09:35 AM

TonyNYC

04-04-08, 11:49 AM

I get the same thing with component or HDMI.Im at a loss for what to do.:confused:Any one know what to do??

Not much you can do right now. Until there is a patch for the issue of the box defaulting itself to 480i normal mode, this will continue to happen for users of HDMI.

When I turn on the box and tv now, I just have my favorite button set to go right for an HD channel and then I can fully use my settings which are 480p and 1080i only.

mikeM1

04-04-08, 02:16 PM

Not much you can do right now. Until there is a patch for the issue of the box defaulting itself to 480i normal mode, this will continue to happen for users of HDMI.

When I turn on the box and tv now, I just have my favorite button set to go right for an HD channel and then I can fully use my settings which are 480p and 1080i only.

Are there any specific reasons for exclusively using those two settings?

TonyNYC

04-04-08, 02:28 PM

Are there any specific reasons for exclusively using those two settings?

I use my BRAVIA in Full Pixel mode for HD and if I went across the board 1080i, it would leave standard def channels with lines across the top or side portion of the HDTV. So when I switch to a SD channel, I leave it at 480p and the setting on my tv to Normal.

Basically a personal preference that will allow me to have two independent settings from the BRAVIA instead of one.

KingMax

04-04-08, 03:36 PM

DNINE

04-04-08, 09:09 PM

Does anyone know the status of Verizon Fios for the city? Are they even close to signing a contract? Is it just a matter of time or is there are a chance it will not happen?

Berk32

04-04-08, 10:14 PM

Does anyone know the status of Verizon Fios for the city? Are they even close to signing a contract? Is it just a matter of time or is there are a chance it will not happen?

Supposedly there is a chance that they will be able to get a contract late this year... but by then TWC will have much much much more HD

DNINE

04-04-08, 10:28 PM

Supposedly there is a chance that they will be able to get a contract late this year... but by then TWC will have much much much more HD

Thanks for the quick response. Any idea what the holdup is? TW blockin? City Councel Red tape? Where are the minutes to Meetings they have? if there are any.

mikeM1

04-04-08, 10:55 PM

I use my BRAVIA in Full Pixel mode for HD and if I went across the board 1080i, it would leave standard def channels with lines across the top or side portion of the HDTV. So when I switch to a SD channel, I leave it at 480p and the setting on my tv to Normal.

Basically a personal preference that will allow me to have two independent settings from the BRAVIA instead of one.

OK...thanks.

AndyHDTV

04-05-08, 12:18 AM

Thanks for the quick response. Any idea what the holdup is? TW blockin? City Councel Red tape? Where are the minutes to Meetings they have? if there are any.

The city wants Verizon to have FIOS available to all and Verizon wants to be selective in their installations. (rich people first)

AndyHDTV

04-05-08, 12:26 AM

Rieper

04-05-08, 04:09 PM

Time Warner Cable New York

I just got cable installed in my apartment after having it removed back in July 2007.

What happened to Discovery HD on Channel 706??? Did they remove it from the lineup?

Also, I'm not getting a picture from the 8300HDC DVR box when using HDMI cable straight to my Sony XBR5 LCD TV. Just get a black picture. Anyone having trouble with the HDMI on the 8300HDC box?

Berk32

04-05-08, 04:17 PM

Time Warner Cable New York

I just got cable installed in my apartment after having it removed back in July 2007.

What happened to Discovery HD on Channel 706??? Did they remove it from the lineup?

Channels have moved around a bit since last summer.

Discovery HD Theater is now 718.

disafan

04-06-08, 09:14 PM

Analog service here in Queens is now pretty much down to minimum. Other than broadcast, there is CSPAN, CSPAN2, FOOD, NY1, and TVGD. That leaves plenty of space for the new HD channels and more.

Berk32

04-06-08, 10:44 PM

Analog service here in Queens is now pretty much down to minimum. Other than broadcast, there is CSPAN, CSPAN2, FOOD, NY1, and TVGD. That leaves plenty of space for the new HD channels and more.

so the scrambled channels are gone.... sounds good to me.. get moving TWC...

disafan

04-07-08, 12:15 AM

I just wish they'd descramble the standard service channels in digital.

The Waco Kid

04-07-08, 01:03 AM

disafan

04-07-08, 01:14 AM

I have TWC in Queens. If you have a digital tuner in your computer, you can get broadcast stations in HD, as well as TNT in HD, and some standard def channels.

broadwayblue

04-07-08, 01:16 AM

Ok people, weather you get Versus-HD already or just don’t give a crap about Hockey, I would appreciate it if you would reach out to TWC and request Versus-HD to be added either permanently or temporarily for the upcoming NHL playoffs.

Bob Watson
VP Programming & New Business Development
Time Warner Cable of NY & NJ
120 East 23rd Street
New York, NY 10010
212-598-7363 | Fax: 212-364-9810

Email: bob.watson@twcable.com

I emailed them several times about this channel last year and got no response. It will be an absolute shame if they don't add it this week. Vs. is allegedly broadcasting the NHL playoffs for something like 28 days straight...and as of now we are scheduled to get none of it in HD. I'll start emailing in the morning. Everyone else should do the same!

Berk32

04-07-08, 02:01 AM

I have TWC in Queens. I've been wondering: I have my htpc next to my cable box. I have no desire to ditch my cable box, but can I split it before my box and run it to my htpc and get a few basics (broadcast HD?)? I know the normal split concerns, just wondering if that'll theoretically work as my OTA's been poor.

"Theoretically" yes it should work if you split before the box - just don;t use a ****** splitter (also depends on your wiring... but you don't have much control over that probably)

AndyHDTV

04-07-08, 02:18 AM

Berk32

04-07-08, 02:35 AM

Game 1
Wed Apr 9, 2008
Rangers Devils 7:00 PM MSG

Game 2
Fri Apr 11, 2008
Rangers Devils 7:00 PM MSG

Game 3
Sun Apr 13, 2008
Devils Rangers 7:00 PM VERSUS

Game 4
Wed Apr 16, 2008
Devils Rangers 7:00 PM VERSUS

Game 5
Fri Apr 18, 2008
Rangers Devils 7:30 PM MSG

Game 6
Sun Apr 20, 2008
Devils Rangers VERSUS

Game 7
Tue Apr 22, 2008
Rangers Devils MSG

Any confirmation that Versus is exclusive at this point? last season there was some system... but MSG did coexist for most of the games in the early rounds... (Versus didn't go fully exclusive for all games until the conference finals... but of course the rangers were out by then)

The Waco Kid

04-07-08, 03:22 AM

According to the release, we'll get VERSUS HD on Apr 30. A little late for playoff hockey (and I would have liked NHL HD the last month or so as well), but I'm just happy to be getting it.

Thanks for answering the other Q. I have a good splitter and wires (if that's what you mean by wiring, I'm not worried about quality loss), maybe I'll test.

TomNYC

04-07-08, 10:29 AM

I emailed Bob Watson to request Versus HD in Manhattan for the NHL playoffs. Not optimistic but you never know. It certainly would be nice to have HD when the puck drops on Wednesday night.

TomNYC

04-07-08, 10:31 AM

Does anyone know if there is a next generation HD-DVR on the horizon? I rebooted my 8300HDC 5 times over the weekend because of the non-stop glitches and bugs with this box.

broadwayblue

04-07-08, 12:43 PM

I emailed Mr. Watson as well. Perhaps I'll receive a reply this year. :rolleyes:

AndyHDTV

04-07-08, 12:51 PM

According to the release, we'll get VERSUS HD on Apr 30. A little late for playoff hockey (and I would have liked NHL HD the last month or so as well), but I'm just happy to be getting it.

april 30th only for brooklyn and the rest of queens.

funny how they were quick to add tbs-hd to all systems for the mlb playoffs but now are playing games when it comes to the nhl.

Berk32

04-07-08, 01:28 PM

april 30th only for brooklyn and the rest of queens.

funny how they were quick to add tbs-hd to all systems for the mlb playoffs but now are playing games when it comes to the nhl.

They had the opportunity last year to add VS-HD and didn't....

I sent a very detailed and informative e-mail this morning... let's see what happens...

Rieper

04-07-08, 01:55 PM

So what exactly is going to happen on February 17, 2009?

Will we all wake up, turn on our Time Warner Cable boxes and find every channel in HD? Will we see MTV in HD? USA in HD? AMC in HD? et al.

Not ranting, I'm actually wondering...it's almost exciting. Like the feeling you would get waiting for Christmas morning to arrive.

broadwayblue

04-07-08, 02:00 PM

They had the opportunity last year to add VS-HD and didn't....

Yeah, it's crap. They could have added it at no additional expense but they didn't. They certainly have the room after removing a handful of analog channels, so it's really infuriating that they refuse to do so. :mad:

scott_bernstein

04-07-08, 02:02 PM

Berk32

04-07-08, 02:13 PM

So what exactly is going to happen on February 17, 2009?

If you plug a normal antenna into a regular TV - you'll get nothing.... that's all.

(the OTA analog shutdown has nothing to do with cable or HD)

LL3HD

04-07-08, 02:58 PM

So what exactly is going to happen on February 17, 2009?.
TW will announce that Manhattan will get Versus HD in (about) a month.:p

sorry, couldn't resit:D

broadwayblue

04-07-08, 03:01 PM

TW will announce that Manhattan will get Versus HD in (about) a month.:p

sorry, couldn't resit:D

Yeah, no doubt they'll add it on 6/1.

cap_167

04-07-08, 03:07 PM

Yeah, no doubt they'll add it on 6/1.

According to the twcnyc website it'll be added April 30th.

In Manhattan we will launch Food Network HD on ch. 750, HGTV HD on ch. 764, Hallmark Movie Channel HD on ch. 784, Animal Planet HD on ch. 786, Travel Channel HD on ch. 788, and Versus/Golf HD on 794.

LL3HD

04-07-08, 03:13 PM

According to the twcnyc website it'll be added April 30th.:confused::rolleyes:

http://img.snlarc.jt.org/pics/char/GiRa-Emily%20Litella.jpg Never mind

It was a joke...

cap_167

04-07-08, 03:27 PM

Sorry, just got excited that they're finally adding HD channels in Manhattan.:o

Berk32

04-07-08, 03:35 PM

HOLY CRAP!

In Manhattan we will launch Food Network HD on ch. 750, HGTV HD on ch. 764, Hallmark Movie Channel HD on ch. 784, Animal Planet HD on ch. 786, Travel Channel HD on ch. 788, and Versus/Golf HD on 794.

WEBSITE UPDATE!

Berk32

04-07-08, 03:38 PM

Full Updated Annoucnement:

Effective April 30th we will launch Sports on Demand on ch. 1023.
In Manhattan we will launch Food Network HD on ch. 750, HGTV HD on ch. 764, Hallmark Movie Channel HD on ch. 784, Animal Planet HD on ch. 786, Travel Channel HD on ch. 788, and Versus/Golf HD on 794.
In Brooklyn and Queens we will launch A&E HD on ch. 746, ABC Family HD on ch. 738, Animal Planet HD on ch. 786, CNN HD on ch. 710, Discovery HD on ch. 766, Disney HD on 749, ESPN News HD on ch. 792, Food Network HD on ch. 750, Fox Business News HD on ch. 743, Hallmark Movie Channel HD on ch. 784, HGTV HD on ch. 764 , History Channel HD on ch. 740, The Learning Channel HD on 752, Lifetime Movies HD on ch. 762, M HD will launch on ch. 720, MLB HD on ch. 791 and 445, NHL Network HD on ch. 795, the previously announced NY1 HD will launch on ch. 701, Science Channel HD on ch. 775, TMC HD on ch.778, Toon Disney HD on ch. 787, Travel Channel HD on ch.788, Versus/Golf HD on ch. 794, Weather Channel HD on ch. 772 and WE will change from DTV service to Standard Service.
In Mount Vernon we will launch ABC Family HD on ch.739, A&E HD on ch. 745, Animal Planet HD on ch. 786, Disney HD on ch. 737, Food Network HD on ch. 718, Hallmark Movie Channel HD on ch. 784, HGTV HD on ch. 752, History Channel HD on ch. 747, Lifetime Movies Network HD on ch. 765, Travel Channel HD on ch. 763, Toon Disney HD on ch. 787, and Versus/Golf HD on ch. 794.

Effective May 1, 2008 in Brooklyn and Queens we will launch Fox News HD on ch. 744.

lee7n

04-07-08, 03:53 PM

LL3HD

04-07-08, 04:02 PM

In Manhattan we will launch Food Network HD on ch. 750, HGTV HD on ch. 764, Hallmark Movie Channel HD on ch. 784, Animal Planet HD on ch. 786, Travel Channel HD on ch. 788, and Versus/Golf HD on 794.:eek: Wow… I guess the joke was on me… that’s great news. Finally there’s some solidarity in the city. :cool:

broadwayblue

04-07-08, 04:05 PM

What happened to the we have no bandwidth cry from TWCNYC? These are crap channels but I'm glad they are adding, at least it could have been something good, how about the Discovery HD Tier? Enjoy your versus like we don't have enough sports channels and it will be useless after the NHL playoffs unless you like golf

It's called being full of ****. ;)

Vs. won't be worthless after the playoffs...they broadcast games in HD every week of the season. And I'll take 1 NHL game in HD each week over a lifetime of Hallmark Movie Channel movies. I just wish they can find a way to get it here before the end of the month. But I do wonder why no Discovery HD channels.

AndyHDTV

04-07-08, 04:15 PM

wow, twcnyc is a hot mess!!!

THEY ARE SO UP AND DOWN

GOOD NEWS FOR US

Berk32

04-07-08, 04:16 PM

Kold Kuts

04-07-08, 04:58 PM

MLB HD on ch. 791 and 445

Does anyone know what MLB HD is? I know Major League Baseball is launching a dedicated network on January 1, 2009....is this related?

TomNYC

04-07-08, 05:11 PM

Universal HD is already a joke and Hallmark Movie Channel HD is even worse. I'm all for a mix of non-sports HD channels but give me a break.

Berk32

04-07-08, 05:23 PM

MLB HD on ch. 791 and 445

Does anyone know what MLB HD is? I know Major League Baseball is launching a dedicated network on January 1, 2009....is this related?

Since it's being added on 445, it sounds more like GAMEHD (the HD channel for Extra Innings, which is channels 431 to 444)

broadwayblue

04-07-08, 05:37 PM

Universal HD is already a joke and Hallmark Movie Channel HD is even worse. I'm all for a mix of non-sports HD channels but give me a break.

Yeah, totally lame. What a waste of a channel. But I guess many women would say the same thing about Golf/Vs. :p

Berk32

04-07-08, 06:01 PM

Bottom Line... They're adding EVERY HD channel they have the rights to.... finally...

As soon as there is a deal for the "Universal Package" (USA, SciFi, etc... doesn't include Universal HD obviously) - we'll see it added, as the extra capacity for HD is now going to be there. Same goes for any other HD channel....

AndyHDTV

04-07-08, 06:41 PM

Lots of bandwidth is clearing up now that Analog service is being phased out.

i think these were the Frequency QAM #'s that were freed up many months ago. 807 & 813?

Berk32

04-07-08, 07:48 PM

i think these were the Frequency QAM #'s that were freed up many months ago. 807 & 813?

i think those are still used for ppv/on-demand

All frequencies used for analog are all at the start (57 to 555, and 645 sitting all alone)

DNINE

04-07-08, 08:37 PM

Is this true? They are adding more HD in Manhattan 05/08 or 06? How can this be if the don't have the Bandwidth?

Berk32

04-07-08, 08:58 PM

Is this true? They are adding more HD in Manhattan 05/08 or 06? How can this be if the don't have the Bandwidth?

Again...

Bandwidth is being freed up...

Analog service is being dropped...

(And the addition is coming 4/30)

DNINE

04-07-08, 09:11 PM

Yahoo:)

LL3HD

04-07-08, 09:12 PM

:confused: I’m curious…

Where’s RiversideGuy? :)

I’d like to see his reaction to the Big Apple's additions… ;)

Perhaps his head exploded? :eek:

..

...

......

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/scanners.jpg

Indeed! :D

DNINE

04-07-08, 09:20 PM

Berk32

04-07-08, 09:37 PM

I'm not complaining- but I think they could have chosen a few other CH's though. I understand their TW affiliates, they have other ones like the Discovery Ch's and so on. I mean why not AE or History? Not complaining:p

They're being added in a specific order in specific groups.... They only have room for 6 for Manhattan right now...

If I knew exactly how the channels were slotted in Staten Island.. then I could probably explain it better...

DNINE

04-07-08, 09:58 PM

Berk32 I am going to get you a Job a TW as CEO, President and any other high ranking get some S#@t done Job!:D Then we would have a reel cable company!

carl2680

04-07-08, 10:24 PM

Berk32

04-07-08, 11:12 PM

I live in Manhattan and Today I decided to check my Sony LCD TV with the cable to see how many analogs TWC has droped, and I was very supprised that they have been droping analogs channels in a fast rate. Don't be supprised if by the end of may all 50 HD channels are available in northen Manhattan. They are even adding HD channels in NJ and mount vernon,I think they are getting very aggressive, because one little friend Called FIOS is coming to town very soon. I think the reason why they are adding the crapy HD channels like hallmark because they will add the big boys (discovery ect) shortly.
Now by the end of June you will see them adding CNBCHD, scifiHD,USAHD,BravoHD FXHD ect.
Now what do you think of TWCNYC HD picture quality?

Sorry man...

No Analog channels have been dropped in Manhattan yet (just did a full run thru) - your tv probably cant even see the scrambled channels (gives you a blue/black screen instead)

However, a few were moved around at some point since I last looked thru a month ago (i didn't really see any rhyme or reason to the changes... but some were moved around)

(I didn't check any of the digital channels... no time.. but I didn't expect anything significant to be different...)

If anyone from Staten Island or Woodside that has gotten new channels a while back wants to let me know where those HD channels are located - I'd appreciate it (give us someplace to be looking... just in case.. since I'm pretty sure everything else is set up the same for us)

John Mason

04-08-08, 07:45 AM

Now what do you think of TWCNYC HD picture quality?
Well, from S.Manhattan's headend, I rarely see any type of blocking artifacts--with or without motion (HD or SD). Blurring and blocking artifacts during motion is a complaint noted by AVSer bfdtv in his thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271) when Comcast began squeezing three HD channels into some 6-Mhz cable slots; (outlined in the NY Times (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13577410&highlight=John#post13577410), etc.). Blocking/blurring is also a frequent complaint across the country due to reduced bit rates from subchannels for OTA delivery, NBC's reduced distribution rate to stations, and other reasons.

Bfdtv compared his Comcast PQ with Verizon HD (see his thread images), also measuring bit rate differences by dvr-ing Hd programs and comparing before/after hard disc storage capacity; this technique (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8584806&&#post8584806). Verizon claims not to be adding additional compression to programming it receives, while Comcast does 'manipulate' HD for its 3-into-1 squeeze. BTW, NYC-TWC puts three HDs into some slots, as Berk32's spreadsheet (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=96603&d=1197609415) for N. Manhattan shows (or updated just above).

Besides bit rate comparisons, the effective resolution (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245) (resolvable detail) of HDNet's Saturday 6:30 am ET test pattern (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7359152&&#post7359152) must play a role in HD PQ. The converging-line resolution wedges appear during the last four of 10 minutes. This technique (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424) lets you measure effective resolution per HD picture width. Some TWC subscribers in smaller cities have posted readings of ~1920X1080, but many still report only ~1300 lines horizontal. How far HDNet's resolution measurements (equivalent HD detail) can be extrapolated to other channels isn't known.

In sum, the PQ, with boosted effective resolution, could likely improve providing HD from program sources carrying details exceeds ~1300 lines and your display is adequate. But I wouldn't want to substitute frequent blocking artifacts to benefit from higher resolutions. -- John

Gooddog

04-08-08, 09:49 AM

Prey521

04-08-08, 10:24 AM

Gooddog

04-08-08, 10:27 AM

Hudson Valley is slated to get that rollout later on in the year, whenever that is.

Huh? Read my post again. I quoted, verbatim, from the TWC Hudson Valley Channel change page, the mini rollout is scheduled for 4-30.

Berk32

04-08-08, 10:31 AM

I didn't see the Hudson Valley system named as part of the mini rollout due for 4-30. According to the TWC website, the following changes will take effect here.

Effective April 30th we will launch Sports on Demand on ch. 1023. Food Network HD on ch. 736, Fox Business News HD on ch. 758, Hallmark Movie Channel HD on 784, HGTV HD on ch. 763, Versus/Golf HD on ch. 773, and Travel Channel HD on ch. 780.

Effective May 1, 2008 we will launch Fox News HD on ch. 762.

Initially - only Brooklyn and Queens (and SI) were getting the motherload...

They then realized this looked bad and yesterday threw a bone to Manhattan, NJ, and Hudson Valley..

(O.. just realized i didn't paste the NJ and Hudson Valley update... I did in the main TWC thread... forgot you guys are also a part of this thread...:o)

Prey521

04-08-08, 10:56 AM

Huh? Read my post again. I quoted, verbatim, from the TWC Hudson Valley Channel change page, the mini rollout is scheduled for 4-30.

Ah, I'm sorry, I was talking about the rollout that Brook,Queens were getting later this month on the 30th.

Gooddog

04-08-08, 11:06 AM

Ah, I'm sorry, I was talking about the rollout that Brook,Queens were getting later this month on the 30th.

Yeah it is confusing, but it looks like everyone in the TWC NY & NJ system will be getting at least a few new HD channels at the end of the month.

disafan

04-08-08, 12:49 PM

Berk32

04-08-08, 01:59 PM

I just gave a call to TWC about the Hudson Valley region, where my relations maintain a house. They said that despite adding additional HD channels, they have no plans to remove analog. I wonder what will happen.

Ironically, in the city, where I live, I want analog gone for more HDs, but in the Hudson Valley region, for the sake of my older relations, I want analog to stay to avoid having to rent additional digital boxes at $10 a pop($7 + $3 digital duplication fee). But it can't last forever.

they do have plans to do so - it will be later this year.

And they wont eliminate analog completely (don't need to yet) - but there is no need for the scrambled channels - anyone with an analog box can be swapped with digital at this point....

Rieper

04-08-08, 02:44 PM

they do have plans to do so - it will be later this year.

And they wont eliminate analog completely (don't need to yet) - but there is no need for the scrambled channels - anyone with an analog box can be swapped with digital at this point....

Berk32,

Who are you? Do you work for Time Warner Cable, and if so, in what capacity?

You seem to know a few more things than everyone else on this thread, that's why I'm asking. :)

Thanks.

UnnDunn

04-08-08, 02:55 PM

Well I'm glad that our Manhattan brethren are finally getting some HD love from Time Warner. A lot sooner than I (for one) expected.

broadwayblue

04-08-08, 03:06 PM

Well I'm glad that our Manhattan brethren are finally getting some HD love from Time Warner. A lot sooner than I (for one) expected.

Well, a few pages back we were informed about the imminent arrival of some new HD channels. It's certainly not a moment too soon for us NYC brethren. ;)

Gooddog

04-08-08, 03:09 PM

I just gave a call to TWC about the Hudson Valley region, where my relations maintain a house. They said that despite adding additional HD channels, they have no plans to remove analog. I wonder what will happen.

Ironically, in the city, where I live, I want analog gone for more HDs, but in the Hudson Valley region, for the sake of my older relations, I want analog to stay to avoid having to rent additional digital boxes at $10 a pop($7 + $3 digital duplication fee). But it can't last forever.

What they told you does not make sense. They'll need to address in some fashion, analog channels sometime this summer

Berk32

04-08-08, 03:59 PM

Berk32,

Who are you? Do you work for Time Warner Cable, and if so, in what capacity?

You seem to know a few more things than everyone else on this thread, that's why I'm asking. :)

Thanks.

I only know what's been said in this thread.

nyrashyster

04-08-08, 06:05 PM

Well, from S.Manhattan's headend, I rarely see any type of blocking artifacts--with or without motion (HD or SD). Blurring and blocking artifacts during motion is a complaint noted by AVSer bfdtv in his thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271) when Comcast began squeezing three HD channels into some 6-Mhz cable slots; (outlined in the NY Times (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13577410&highlight=John#post13577410), etc.). Blocking/blurring is also a frequent complaint across the country due to reduced bit rates from subchannels for OTA delivery, NBC's reduced distribution rate to stations, and other reasons.

Bfdtv compared his Comcast PQ with Verizon HD (see his thread images), also measuring bit rate differences by dvr-ing Hd programs and comparing before/after hard disc storage capacity; this technique (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8584806&&#post8584806). Verizon claims not to be adding additional compression to programming it receives, while Comcast does 'manipulate' HD for its 3-into-1 squeeze. BTW, NYC-TWC puts three HDs into some slots, as Berk32's spreadsheet (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=96603&d=1197609415) for N. Manhattan shows (or updated just above).

Besides bit rate comparisons, the effective resolution (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245) (resolvable detail) of HDNet's Saturday 6:30 am ET test pattern (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7359152&&#post7359152) must play a role in HD PQ. The converging-line resolution wedges appear during the last four of 10 minutes. This technique (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424) lets you measure effective resolution per HD picture width. Some TWC subscribers in smaller cities have posted readings of ~1920X1080, but many still report only ~1300 lines horizontal. How far HDNet's resolution measurements (equivalent HD detail) can be extrapolated to other channels isn't known.

In sum, the PQ, with boosted effective resolution, could likely improve providing HD from program sources carrying details exceeds ~1300 lines and your display is adequate. But I wouldn't want to substitute frequent blocking artifacts to benefit from higher resolutions. -- John
Here in southeast queens, I've noticed the pq had deteriorated significantly over the last month. Macroblocking and motion blur and just an overall drop in clarity has permeated most of the channels. I actually called customer service to complain today (lot good that will do), they send would re-send the signal.
Has anyone else noticed a drop in PQ over the last month. I fear that its the anticipated addition of HD channels is the cause of this.

ANGEL 35

04-08-08, 06:34 PM

Did any one get a cable card update last night?? I have 8300HDC box. It also booted twice.

AndyHDTV

04-08-08, 06:52 PM

Berk32

04-08-08, 07:25 PM

Looks like Rangers and Devils Fans are covered for the 1st round.

http://www.hdsportsguide.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/

Maybe this is why TWC isn't in a rush to add Versus-HD. But the April 30th launch will fall somewhere around game 3 or 4 in Round 2.

Versus does not get exclusive coverage during the first round.

They get to pick up to 2 games per 2nd round matchup to show exclusively.

So lets see how the schedule works out.....

manhattan12345

04-08-08, 08:44 PM

aitchdeeameye

04-08-08, 09:03 PM

Did any one get a cable card update last night?? I have 8300HDC box. It also booted twice.

I did, around 1am. Didn't notice any new settings or anything though.

Berk32

04-08-08, 09:17 PM

Verizon Communications, fulfilling a commitment to the Federal Communications Commission, said it will phase out all the local analog channels offered on FiOS TV on a regional basis, starting in New York on April 21.

The telco said it has notified customers of the change with letters, e-mails and phone calls, and has set up a section of its Web site, verizon.com/godigital, with information about the all-digital changeover.
- Multichannel News

I'm still not 100% clear on the digital vs. analog channel thing. Can someone clarify - is this the type of move that opens up bandwidth for more HD on TWC or is this the Feb. 2009 switch that all TV has to make? And are those the same things or unconnected?

Completely unrelated.

Feb. '09 'shutdown' is for analog channels you receive with an antenna on a 'regular' TV. (you can't get digital channels on those TVs without a converter box)

Cable companies are starting to phase out analog service (the way we all got cable tv until about 10 years ago when digital really started pushing out). There isn't much of a need for premium content analog services... as very few people still have the old (legal) analog boxes... and they should be switched to digital boxes (which we've all been using for years.... hd or no hd). If they still want to keep some analog level service (the unscrambled channels - for those with no box at all), then thats fine, since most only have a relatively small # of channels that aren't scrambled...

Now why does FiOS need to drop its analog service? well sure its to make space... because when they started up, they didn't want to over-compress any of the HD channels (which most cable co.s do). (On a good system - 2 HD channels = 1 Analog channel in terms of bandwidth space.. we get most of our HD channels 3:1) With that, and since FiOS chose to open up very fast internet speeds (download and uploads)... plus all the on-demand extras... they suddenly find themselves running low on space... with a lot more HD channels starting up....

Possibly bad planning on their part...

UnnDunn

04-08-08, 09:37 PM

Verizon promised to switch all of its customers to all-digital service as a condition of getting an extension on the CableCARD mandate deadline (they aren't required to comply for another couple of years, IIRC.)

They are due for a massive, three-stage HD expansion that will offer over 100 HD channels by year-end, starting with 30-40 by the end of this month.

manhattan12345

04-08-08, 09:42 PM

Thanks Berk, I think that's the clearest I've seen it explained. When you're not a techie, as I am not, it all began to swim together when I heard about analog and digital channels and bandwith and TW removing channels and the Feb 09 switch, etc etc.

CynKennard

04-08-08, 11:36 PM

Completely unrelated.

...

Now why does FiOS need to drop its analog service? well sure its to make space... because when they started up, they didn't want to over-compress any of the HD channels (which most cable co.s do). (On a good system - 2 HD channels = 1 Analog channel in terms of bandwidth space.. we get most of our HD channels 3:1) With that, and since FiOS chose to open up very fast internet speeds (download and uploads)... plus all the on-demand extras... they suddenly find themselves running low on space... with a lot more HD channels starting up....

Possibly bad planning on their part...
I believe there is an inaccuracy in this part of your statement. FiOS uses three different light frequencies to handle phone, internet and TV communications. These can be sent and received simultaneously. The TV signals are sent on one of these frequencies while the Internet communications are sent on one of the other frequencies. This means that the TV signal is not affected by the phone or Internet communications. I believe that the TV signal limit for now is caused by the Motorola STBs which have approximately the same bandwidth as when they are used on cable. There could also be a limit caused by MOCA which puts both TV and Internet on the coaxial cable.

Cynthia

Berk32

04-09-08, 12:33 AM

I believe there is an inaccuracy in this part of your statement. FiOS uses three different light frequencies to handle phone, internet and TV communications. These can be sent and received simultaneously. The TV signals are sent on one of these frequencies while the Internet communications are sent on one of the other frequencies. This means that the TV signal is not affected by the phone or Internet communications. I believe that the TV signal limit for now is caused by the Motorola STBs which have approximately the same bandwidth as when they are used on cable. There could also be a limit caused by MOCA which puts both TV and Internet on the coaxial cable.

Cynthia

I'm probably wrong somewhat on FiOS... don't have it... never gonna see... based what i said on what I've 'heard'... :cool:

Don't trust what i say about FiOS...

UnnDunn

04-09-08, 06:44 AM

It seems FiOS is the new boogeyman for Time Warner; many of the ads on NY1 now say "Only available on Time Warner and Cablevision, not available on FiOS." :eek:

carl2680

04-09-08, 09:27 AM

TWCNYC added Versus/golf Today in Manhattan, but the screen is in black. I think they already started testing.

carl2680

04-09-08, 09:41 AM

oh wait rebooted box now its working. So the first channel that they add is VS/Golf. I guess they will be adding a new channel everyday until april 30. Now I get great picture quality during the day, but at night time my HD PQ sucks.

TomNYC

04-09-08, 09:42 AM

oh wait rebooted box now its working. So the first channel that they add is VS/Golf.

You just made my day with that news. Right in time for the start of the playoffs tonight.

TonyNYC

04-09-08, 09:52 AM

Congrats to those needing VS HD in Manhattan. Lets Go Rangers!!!!

Berk32

04-09-08, 10:07 AM

Maybe the e-mail writing worked!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

EDIT: WOW - Great timing - Just got a response from Bob Watson!

Mr 'Berk32',

We are adding VS/Golf HD to our lineups today in advance of our previously scheduled launch of the channel that was planned for the end of the month. Provided you subscribe to the level of service that includes VS and Golf standard definition channels and have a Time Warner Cable HD settop box, you should see the channel added to your service sometime today. NYC customers will find VS/Golf HD on channel 794.

Enjoy.

Bob Watson

VP Programming & New Business Development

Time Warner Cable of NY & NJ

120 East 23rd Street

New York, NY 10010

212-598-7363 | Fax: 212-364-9810

Email: bob.watson@twcable.com

From: 'Berk32'
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:29 AM
To: Watson, Bob
Subject: TWC Manhattan: Versus HD
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Mr. Watson,

I am writing to you in regards to VersusHD. The NHL playoffs start this week, and I am really upset that the Manhattan region of Time Warner Cable NYC does not have VersusHD yet. Staten Island and parts of Queens have had it for a long time. As of now, the rest of Queens and Brooklyn are scheduled to get it April 30th. This is disappointing. TWC jumped and added TBSHD right away when it started up for the MLB postseason (and the channel proceeded to become a huge waste of space for the following 5 months, containing a total of 2 HD special until this past week). Is there any way that VersusHD could be added (even if it is temporary) for the NHL postseason? At least air the games on a temporary channel or use MOJOHD?

I know a lot of people who are just finding out now that they will once again be unable to see much of the NHL postseason in HD (as we had the same problem last year) and we are very upset, considering most people in Manhattan do not have other options in television providers. Customers in Manhattan pay the same price as those in Staten Island and Queens, and we get a severely inferior collection of HD programming. I know that Manhattan will eventually be getting the large HD collection later this year (once analog service is reduced), but I really hope that something can be done to ensure that the thousands of local hockey fans won't be forced to miss out again.

Thank you.

broadwayblue

04-09-08, 10:32 AM

Just came here to post that I read elsewhere that the channel was up. Turned on my TV to find out it was true! Just got the same reply to my email from Mr Watson. Maybe our efforts did help. Golf/Vs. HD is finally here!

Berk32

04-09-08, 11:20 AM

AndyHDTV

04-09-08, 11:35 AM

great news guys. thanks for all the hard work on the emailing. I'm obviously on someones $hit list.

Now if we can only get him to switch Hallmark-HD for another HD channel!

carl2680

04-09-08, 11:43 AM

DNINE

04-09-08, 11:55 AM

Alright 794HD working on the UWS keep em coming, Berk32 I'm telling you, You can get things done!

TravKoolBreeze

04-09-08, 12:04 PM

well if we want them to switch hallmark HD then we need to start the e-mail campaign. I mean the should add History or one of the discovery channels instead of Hallmark. I know eventually by the end of may all these channels will be available in Manhattan. If they added VSHD today ahead of schedule that means that they already free bandwitdh.

I could get behind one of the other Discovery channels before History HD. For the way History has changed itself so drastically, I rather it stay off the system or wait until the end of May for it. I miss the old History channel and even History channel that had mix the old stuff with Dog Fights (which I think would have looked great in HD) and The Universe is better than now.

Plus, not a fan of strech-o-vision.

Prey521

04-09-08, 12:29 PM

Versus up here as well in the Hudson Valley. I've noticed that Manhattan and the Hudson Valley region usually get updates at the same time with Time Warner Cable and we always have the same amount of HD channels, though not the same #'s. Hurry up with the Discovery Suite already damnit!! I want to see Deadliest Catch and Dirty Jobs in HD!

locogrande

04-09-08, 12:49 PM

Berk32

04-09-08, 01:12 PM

sweet. a rare nice move by twcnyc. as a nyc based flyers fan i was very concerned about watching the first round playoffs games in SD

would have liked to see it on 722 instead of 794 -- better correlation to the SD number and in line with the other HD sports channels. but no biggie there

it would've had to been 822.....

(722 will eventually be Cartoon Network HD)

For now any channel above 100 is getting its HD counterpart in the 770s and 790s (other sports networks like Speed, NHL, and MLB, will also be in the 790s)

What they need to to is reorganize the entire channel lineup.......

locogrande

04-09-08, 01:17 PM

it would've had to been 822.....

(722 will eventually be Cartoon Network HD)

For now any channel above 100 is getting its HD counterpart in the 770s and 790s (other sports networks like Speed, NHL, and MLB, will also be in the 790s)

What they need to to is reorganize the entire channel lineup.......

cartoon network is WAY down on my personal priority list for an HD channel. somewhere in the same vicinity as hallmark move channel.

Berk32

04-09-08, 01:48 PM

cartoon network is WAY down on my personal priority list for an HD channel. somewhere in the same vicinity as hallmark move channel.

I no longer have a need for a priority list...

The bandwidth will be open for more channels than they have the rights to very soon.. so I just want everything available ASAP. :cool:

TonyNYC

04-09-08, 02:03 PM

cartoon network is WAY down on my personal priority list for an HD channel. somewhere in the same vicinity as hallmark move channel.

Oh come on now!! You know you want your Smurfs in HD. :D

Rieper

04-09-08, 02:06 PM

cartoon network is WAY down on my personal priority list for an HD channel. somewhere in the same vicinity as hallmark move channel.

Well, some of us are HUGE anime fans.

No, not Dragonball Z, I'm talking mature anime like Ghost in the Shell, et al. I for one can't wait for Cartoon HD.

If you're reading this Mr. Watson, thanks.

Keep up the good work.

disafan

04-09-08, 02:48 PM

It does beg an answer to the question I don't understand.

Why are SD channels repeated?

For example, lower numbers are repeated in the 800 and 1900 series, and premiums repeat in the 900 series. They could easily simplify this.

Agent_C

04-09-08, 03:48 PM

TWCNYC added Versus/golf Today in Manhattan, but the screen is in black. I think they already started testing.

Oh, just what we need, another FUC&ING SPORTS CHANNEL!!! :mad:

Where the hell is CNN-HD!!! :mad:

A_C

AndyHDTV

04-09-08, 03:58 PM

sports should be the priority. their are more people out there wanting sports then channels like news in HD. allthough nice to look at.

Prey521

04-09-08, 04:14 PM

sports should be the priority. their are more people out there wanting sports then channels like news in HD. allthough nice to look at.

Ya, I could care less if the news was in HD, I mean, it's friggin news, who cares.

Agent_C

04-09-08, 04:27 PM

sports should be the priority. their are more people out there wanting sports then channels like news in HD. allthough nice to look at.

What actual data do you have to support this statement?

A_C

Agent_C

04-09-08, 04:29 PM

Ya, I could care less if the news was in HD, I mean, it's friggin news, who cares.

I could care less if sports was in HD, I mean, it's friggin sports, who cares.

A_C

broadwayblue

04-09-08, 04:41 PM

just curious - where else did you read that?

I saw it in the Rangers forum of hockeys future message boards...was getting geared up for tonights opener and saw it. Came here only to find it had already been posted.

broadwayblue

04-09-08, 04:45 PM

I agree that the hallmark HD channel is a joke, but I'm guessing it's for the ladies. I'd much prefer almost any other in its place...preferably Discovery, Science, or similar.

As far as which kind of programming should be given preference, HD was made for sports and movies. Watching the news in HD is not as important. Certainly it will look nicer, as does everything in HD, but it's really still just talking heads. Following the puck is a lot easier to do in HD than watching anchors discuss the impending doom of the planet. ;)

LL3HD

04-09-08, 04:46 PM

I could care less if sports was in HD, I mean, it's friggin sports, who cares.
What actual data do you have to support this statement?
:rolleyes: Here we go again…. Yeah, we already know how you feel about sports. You’ve been pretty persistent about that and from what I recall, we went down this road before and I did state facts supporting this…. and then someone :rolleyes: complained to a moderator and the whole discussion was deleted. If you’re just venting then fine, vent away, but if you’re looking for a discussion—I’m done.

Bring on all HD.. that’s my mantra.

Gooddog

04-09-08, 04:46 PM

sports should be the priority. their are more people out there wanting sports then channels like news in HD. allthough nice to look at.

I'd trade all the HD sports channels except YES for the Discovery package, especially fringe channels like VS, Golf, ESPN 2, ESPN News, MSG HD Plus, et.

Gooddog

04-09-08, 04:50 PM

HD was made for sports and movies.

Link Please

;-)

Agent_C

04-09-08, 04:51 PM

broadwayblue

04-09-08, 04:54 PM

CNN has a lot more content than just news. Planet In Peril for example.

A_C

That's true, but you can get very similar programming on HD Theater, Nat Geo, etc. I'm all for eliminating all the SD channels today. Personally I haven't watched much of them in the past 3 years anyway. HD all the way!

Agent_C

04-09-08, 05:04 PM

:rolleyes: Here we go again…. Yeah, we already know how you feel about sports. You’ve been pretty persistent about that and from what I recall, we went down this road before and I did state facts supporting this…. and then someone :rolleyes: complained to a moderator and the whole discussion was deleted. If you’re just venting then fine, vent away, but if you’re looking for a discussion—I’m done.

Bring on all HD.. that’s my mantra.

I don't recall anyone providing reliable data which demonstrated that people overwhelmingly preferred sports in HD to the exclusion of other content.

And the moderator complaint as I recall, was that this board had degenerated into multiple discussions about sports topics, not TWC NYC, which is its proper subject.

A_C

LL3HD

04-09-08, 05:04 PM

Link Please

;-)I know :o I said I was done but … :p

And I’m not saying that HD was “invented for sports” but its success has been driven by sports.

Nearly 60% of high-definition television owners consider themselves sports fans

Nearly 50% of HDTV owners cited HD sports programming as the primary force behind their HDTV purchase

Sports fans said their favorite sports to watch in HD include the Super Bowl (78%), World Series (44%) and college football bowl games (41%)

39% of HD sports fans are extremely disappointed when a sports event they want to watch is NOT in high-definition

65% of HDTV sports fans say sound is an important component of their sports viewing experience
There are tons of links out there if you care to research regarding this topic… :cool:
http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/home-entertainment/sports-fans-drive-hd-tv-sales.asp

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6136092.html

http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article3629.phtml

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5128716/Sports-Fans-Drive-HD-Television.html

LL3HD

04-09-08, 05:10 PM

..In other words… when you finally get your precious CNN in HD, you can thank sports fans.;)

Agent_C

04-09-08, 05:25 PM

I'll accept your percentages at face value, even though you don't cite the source(s).

..In other words… when you finally get your precious CNN in HD, you can thank sports fans.;)

Well, that's bit of a stretch. When I get my precious CNN-HD, I intend to admire the ahhh, rich news content;

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/intel/07/09/04_cooper_lgl.jpg

And the many specials too... :D

A_C

LL3HD

04-09-08, 05:30 PM

I'll accept your percentages at face value, even though you don't cite the source(s).That quote in my post (with the percentages) is from the first link listed.

AndyHDTV

04-09-08, 06:59 PM

thanks for the back up guys, I can't believe that as a young man I have to prove why sports should be a priority. It must be my unexperienced mind that causes me to go out and play hockey and come home and watch hockey. maybe when I get older I would appreciate CNN-HD, Science-HD or even LOGO-HD. :)

AndyHDTV

04-09-08, 07:01 PM

it's gametime enjoy all the games fellas

The Waco Kid

04-09-08, 07:04 PM

I'm in Queens and I now have VS HD and it's black! Games are starting, let's have some hockey in HD!

Berk32

04-09-08, 07:05 PM

Berk32

04-09-08, 07:07 PM

I'm in Queens and I now have VS HD and it's black! Games are starting, let's have some hockey in HD!

If its black - you probably need to reboot - that can happen.

scott_bernstein

04-09-08, 07:16 PM

I agree that the hallmark HD channel is a joke, but I'm guessing it's for the ladies. I'd much prefer almost any other in its place...preferably Discovery, Science, or similar.

And when do we get MHD? Brooklyn and Queens have this channel, and my in-laws in North Carolina (w/TWC) had it when I was down there this past weekend!

I say that HD (w/the 5.1 sound) was made for MUSIC!

Scott

The Waco Kid

04-09-08, 07:19 PM

If its black - you probably need to reboot - that can happen.And wait an hour until the game is half way over for the reboot to be complete :)

I'll give it a shot during intermission, and report.

chopsueychris

04-09-08, 07:41 PM

Bayside here and we got VS HD and it's live.

Oh and LET'S GO RANGERS!

chopsueychris

04-09-08, 07:49 PM

And when do we get MHD? Brooklyn and Queens have this channel, and my in-laws in North Carolina (w/TWC) had it when I was down there this past weekend!

I say that HD (w/the 5.1 sound) was made for MUSIC!

Scott

So... you want a MTV HD channel because "...HD (w/the 5.1 sound) was made for MUSIC!" so shouldn't you want a channel that will show music videos and not 5 hour blocks of The Hills every other day?
BTW I am under the assumption MHD is nothing more than MTV's HD feed for their channel right?

TonyNYC

04-09-08, 08:01 PM

The Waco Kid

04-09-08, 09:25 PM

Bayside here and we got VS HD and it's live.

Oh and LET'S GO RANGERS!Same here now (VS HD live). Let's go Islanders? Oh, wait, that's right...

AndyHDTV

04-09-08, 09:51 PM

Since I've been doing the chart...

For Those who are interested...

They placed VSGolf-HD on Freq 567 Prog # 033...

567 had been unused (for tv serivce) for as long as I've been doing the spreadsheet....

O... and LET'S GO RANGERS ! ! !!!

their is way too much compression on Versus-HD. what other channels are squeezed with it? Pass the message along to the suit in TWC to clean up the picture!!!

Berk32

04-09-08, 10:03 PM

their is way too much compression on Versus-HD. what other channels are squeezed with it? Pass the message along to the suit in TWC to clean up the picture!!!

Yeah.. I've noticed its compressed....

I'm guessing its sent on the same freq to the rest of the city... so it probably has 2 more HD channels with it.... (which we're not getting untl the end of the month...)

Unless its in a temporary spot... and needs one of the slots being cleard by analog...

I wish I knew... but I CAN tell you there are no other channels on the same freq right now (for those that just got it today)

LL3HD

04-09-08, 10:12 PM

Yeah.. I've noticed its compressed..FWIW, they’re griping about the picture quality of Versus on the cablevision thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13601621#post13601621) too.

Berk32

04-09-08, 10:19 PM

FWIW, they’re griping about the picture quality of Versus on the cablevision thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13601621#post13601621) too.

Lots of people complaining.

http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1017541

At least its good to see Versus is getting CBCHD this year.

G1Ravage

04-09-08, 10:26 PM

The caller ID does not work on your 8300 HD box. It supposedly :rolleyes: works on the newer HDC version. I also have the Triple Play and would like to have the caller ID function but I certainly will not exchange my older box for the reviled newer one.

Well, that sucks. I'll have the 8300HD in my bedroom, and I certainly won't be trading it in for an 8300HDC.

In the living room, I'll be getting a non-DVR HD box. Don't know what model will come. Do the non-DVR HD boxes have caller ID capability? Could TWC offer a software modification for the 8300HD so it can accept caller ID?

LL3HD

04-09-08, 10:40 PM

Well, that sucks. I'll have the 8300HD in my bedroom, and I certainly won't be trading it in for an 8300HDC.

In the living room, I'll be getting a non-DVR HD box. Don't know what model will come. Do the non-DVR HD boxes have caller ID capability? Could TWC offer a software modification for the 8300HD so it can accept caller ID? The modification is basically swapping the older Passport box for the newer Navigator.
Just to reiterate, the caller ID does not work with the older Passport system. The new HDC boxes are Navigator based and they will do the caller ID. I don’t know whether the non DVR (8300) boxes run on Navigator enabling the ID.

TravKoolBreeze

04-10-08, 01:01 AM

Well, some of us are HUGE anime fans.

No, not Dragonball Z, I'm talking mature anime like Ghost in the Shell, et al. I for one can't wait for Cartoon HD.

If you're reading this Mr. Watson, thanks.

Keep up the good work.

Pending that anime is still around, CN HD will be useful in about a year as many of the more popular shows are going HD or SD 16:9 (odd our country doesn't do that)

I also heard the Venture Brothers new season is to be in HD. But ya, I'm not in a rush to see CN HD.

weirdbird1

04-10-08, 02:22 AM

Just curious. Is VS. HD only available to the "DTValue" subscribers? I'm just subscribed to the Digital starter pack, and it's telling me to call for more information. I rebooted just to make sure, and it's still saying to call.

Rieper

04-10-08, 02:26 AM

Pending that anime is still around...

FYI, Anime has been "around" since 1917: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime.

I'm quite certain it'll last for at least another 12-18 months. :)

TravKoolBreeze

04-10-08, 03:31 AM

O, I'm an anime fan, it was more of a joke about how CN (and Adult Swim) is cutting back on it.:p

Astorian

04-10-08, 04:51 AM

Anybody else in Woodside or SI missing NHL HD on ch 795? I had this channel up until at least a week ago and now it's nowhere to be found.

UnnDunn

04-10-08, 06:45 AM

weirdbird1

04-10-08, 08:26 AM

Yes, DTValue is required to receive VS, and as such it is also required to view VS HD.

I actually just checked Staten Island's channel lineup. (should have checked before) According to there's, it's included in the Starter Pack. I would assume it would be the same for Brooklyn residents, but I am still not getting it. I'm going to give them a call today and see what's up. Something tells me that the cable reps will have no clue that we even have it, and try to tell me that "we are only carrying that in Woodside, and SI sir. You should receive it on the 30th." Just curious though, where did you see that it was only included with the DTValue package? Or did you just assume? Not trying to be an ass here, just curious.

Berk32

04-10-08, 08:56 AM

I actually just checked Staten Island's channel lineup. (should have checked before) According to there's, it's included in the Starter Pack. I would assume it would be the same for Brooklyn residents, but I am still not getting it. I'm going to give them a call today and see what's up. Something tells me that the cable reps will have no clue that we even have it, and try to tell me that "we are only carrying that in Woodside, and SI sir. You should receive it on the 30th." Just curious though, where did you see that it was only included with the DTValue package? Or did you just assume? Not trying to be an ass here, just curious.

I dont know what you looked at...

But on the TWC website - for each boro - Versus is NOT part of the Starter Pack... You need DTValue to get VersusHD

weirdbird1

04-10-08, 09:10 AM

I dont know what you looked at...

But on the TWC website - for each boro - Versus is NOT part of the Starter Pack... You need DTValue to get VersusHD

I'm looking at Staten Island's lineup on the TWC site. It shows VS. HD as being included in the Starter Pack. It has a maroon box next to it, not blue. As for Brooklyn(at least for area code 11209) it's not even in our lineup yet. I'm not going to argue with you, because I'm sure you're right. I'm just telling you what it says according to SI's lineup. http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=552&Zip=&Image1.x=57&Image1.y=4&Image1=submit

Berk32

04-10-08, 09:15 AM

I'm looking at Staten Island's lineup on the TWC site. It shows VS. HD as being included in the Starter Pack. It has a maroon box next to it, not blue. As for Brooklyn(at least for area code 11209) it's not even in our lineup yet. I'm not going to argue with you, because I'm sure you're right. I'm just telling you what it says according to SI's lineup. http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=552&Zip=&Image1.x=57&Image1.y=4&Image1=submit

I didn't even look down at VersusHD...

They made a mistake - they tend to do a sh*tty job at adding channels to the list.

Bottom line - Versus is listed correctly - and you need Versus to get VersusHD

nyrashyster

04-10-08, 09:23 AM

I live in Howard Beach and even though VS HD is listed in my on-screen guide, all I get is a blank screen. I called technical support last night and they didnt have a clue what was going on. So frustrating!

richiekkim

04-10-08, 09:29 AM

I'm in Manhattan and I also get a blank screen for VSHD. The same thing happened with TBSHD during the MLB playoffs.

Rieper

04-10-08, 09:32 AM

Unplug your cable box from the wall outlet, plug back in after 10 seconds and let it reboot.

You should now see an image on Versus HD.

Berk32

04-10-08, 09:39 AM

BkDude

04-10-08, 09:46 AM

I actually just checked Staten Island's channel lineup. (should have checked before) According to there's, it's included in the Starter Pack. I would assume it would be the same for Brooklyn residents, but I am still not getting it. I'm going to give them a call today and see what's up. Something tells me that the cable reps will have no clue that we even have it, and try to tell me that "we are only carrying that in Woodside, and SI sir. You should receive it on the 30th." Just curious though, where did you see that it was only included with the DTValue package? Or did you just assume? Not trying to be an ass here, just curious.
I'm in Brooklyn, 11217 and I have it (I also have DTValue) - no reboot needed.

Berk32

04-10-08, 10:34 AM

I'm in Brooklyn, 11217 and I have it (I also have DTValue) - no reboot needed.

Occasionally- the 'update' required for the new channel (its usually a very small one) takes place when the box is off and is sent out to everyone at the same time - I believe if the box is on when that happens - the 'update' doesn't happen properly - and you end up with a blank screen (which is why you need to reboot manually)
(The box needs to be programmed so it knows where to 'find' the signal for channel 794... basically it has to be told "Frequency 567 Prog# 33" once, and then that info is stored)

This is only a guess.... since there really isn't consistency with these boxes (like you would expect)

Agent_C

04-10-08, 10:54 AM

*** !!! Bring On Animal Planet HD !!! ***

http://home.nyc.rr.com/acidrock212/ap.jpg

.....Go Puppies!!!!

.... Go Kitties!!!!

Prey521

04-10-08, 11:03 AM

^ Lmao!!

Gooddog

04-10-08, 11:47 AM

^^^ LOL ^^^^

The only thing I watch on VS via TWC is SRS, Super Retriever Series which is not in HD

http://www.superretrieverseries.com/libraries/photos/stories/314064128021416/SteinmanRiverLead.jpg

Oh BTW, they turn VS HD on in the Hudson Valley yesterday.

Gooddog

04-10-08, 12:09 PM

TomNYC

04-10-08, 03:40 PM

their is way too much compression on Versus-HD. what other channels are squeezed with it? Pass the message along to the suit in TWC to clean up the picture!!!

I'm glad i'm not crazy. I thought the picture on Versus HD looked poor last night as well. It's better than SD but I was expecting better to be sure.

scott_bernstein

04-10-08, 04:03 PM

So... you want a MTV HD channel because "...HD (w/the 5.1 sound) was made for MUSIC!" so shouldn't you want a channel that will show music videos and not 5 hour blocks of The Hills every other day?
BTW I am under the assumption MHD is nothing more than MTV's HD feed for their channel right?

MHD is NOT MTV-HD. MHD is a 24 hour Hi-Def MUSIC ONLY channel. And not the crap music that MTV might play (if it were playing music) either. Check the listings -- I saw Black Crows unplugged, Ryan Adams, John Fogerty, some Crossroads (from CMT), the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Inductions, etc., all in HD. Much of this stuff isn't even played on any of MTV's SD channels.

UnnDunn

04-10-08, 04:06 PM

Yeah, MHD is pretty nice... but it's full of repeats, like many HD-only channels are. I grew tired of it after a couple of weeks.

aitchdeeameye

04-10-08, 04:58 PM

I'm glad i'm not crazy. I thought the picture on Versus HD looked poor last night as well. It's better than SD but I was expecting better to be sure.

Actually I blame the CBC source. The in-studio analysis was very high PQ. So don't go complaining to TWC just yet, it looks like this is VS/CBC's fault.

Berk32

04-10-08, 05:00 PM

Actually I blame the CBC source. The in-studio analysis was very high PQ. So don't go complaining to TWC just yet, it looks like this is VS/CBC's fault.

First game had problems as well

LL3HD

04-10-08, 05:11 PM

Actually I blame the CBC source. The in-studio analysis was very high PQ..Yeah, I didn’t want to comment because I thought the picture quality was great too… but I didn’t see any of the game. I turned it on when they were in the studio and only for a moment..

aitchdeeameye

04-10-08, 06:36 PM

Yeah, I didn’t want to comment because I thought the picture quality was great too… but I didn’t see any of the game. I turned it on when they were in the studio and only for a moment..

The game looked pretty bad. There were patches of ice with lots of jaggies and fast motion was full of artifacts. I just wanted to point out that I don't think this has anything to do with TW's compression, but rather the source video, since there was a huge PQ upgrade when VS cut from the CBC broadcast to its own studio team.

dad1153

04-10-08, 08:00 PM

Berk32

04-10-08, 08:14 PM

VS/Golf in HD running on TWC in Manhattan, channel 794, with a Rangers game. I'm a golf nut so I was looking forward to their coverage of today's first day at the Masters. Instead I get hockey, which I know ends tonight but I couldn't care less about. Oh well, now I can watch Golf Channel in HD and that is reason for me to be happy!

The Masters coverage on the Golf Channel wasn't going to be HD (It's just highlights...)

That's why they got some brains this year had made the switch (they weren't so smart last year)

CynKennard

04-10-08, 11:34 PM

Verizon sues Time Warner Cable

Telephone service provider Verizon Communications brought its battle for video customers to court yesterday, with a lawsuit accusing rival Time Warner Cable of false advertising.

http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/business/2008/0804101004.asp?A=HOME&O=FPW

I don't see how Verizon can win that law suit. At least in NYC, if you want FiOS TV you do have to have a satellite dish since they connect you up with Direct TV. It always annoys me to see Verizon ads that talk about their video quality without specifying that this doesn't apply to NYC.

Cynthia

Prey521

04-11-08, 01:05 AM

I don't see how Verizon can win that law suit. At least in NYC, if you want FiOS TV you do have to have a satellite dish since they connect you up with Direct TV. It always annoys me to see Verizon ads that talk about their video quality without specifying that this doesn't apply to NYC.

Cynthia

Verizon does indeed have a claim here. To get FiosTV, you do not need a dish, plain and simple. If FiosTV is not available in your area, they have DirecTV as an option, but it's not considered FiosTV. Crime Warner with their stupid ads about them having fiber is BS as well. Bunch of sore losers....they know that they can't compete with Verizons service, so they try these underhanded scumbag tactics.

Berk32

04-11-08, 01:49 AM

Verizon does indeed have a claim here. To get FiosTV, you do not need a dish, plain and simple. If FiosTV is not available in your area, they have DirecTV as an option, but it's not considered FiosTV. Crime Warner with their stupid ads about them having fiber is BS as well. Bunch of sore losers....they know that they can't compete with Verizons service, so they try these underhanded scumbag tactics.

the commercial never said FiOS TV needs a dish...

It said the Verizon Triple Play package may require a dish to get tv service.

TomNYC

04-11-08, 08:28 AM

The game looked pretty bad. There were patches of ice with lots of jaggies and fast motion was full of artifacts. I just wanted to point out that I don't think this has anything to do with TW's compression, but rather the source video, since there was a huge PQ upgrade when VS cut from the CBC broadcast to its own studio team.

Actually on Wednesday night the VersusHD picture for Penguins-Sens was very poor. I noticed a big upgrade in quality for both games last night. Not sure what happened but definitely an improvement.

OldSenileGuy

04-11-08, 12:04 PM

locogrande

04-11-08, 12:28 PM

according to our guide VS-HD is taking the golf channel feed tonight (live from the masters) instead of the VS feed which is the flyers/capitals game 1.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

AndyHDTV

04-11-08, 12:32 PM

according to our guide VS-HD is taking the golf channel feed tonight (live from the masters) instead of the VS feed which is the flyers/capitals game 1.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

it's wrong. it said the same thing last night and showed the hockey.
no worries.

AndyHDTV

04-11-08, 12:36 PM

Why is everyone watching the Rangers on Vs HD? Isn't it being shown on MSG +HD as well? In general I find Vs's coverage and commentators to be much more annoying than MSG's, so it's an easy decision for me.

it is not being shown on versus-hd this round for us new yorkers. MSG-HD has rights for local broadcast this round. will we see what happens in the next round

ANGEL 35

04-11-08, 12:43 PM

Alright 794HD working on the UWS keep em coming, Berk32 I'm telling you, You can get things done!

All iget is a black screen on 794. Im also on the UWS:confused:

locogrande

04-11-08, 12:44 PM

it's wrong. it said the same thing last night and showed the hockey.
no worries.

whew. hope you're right. thanks

Berk32

04-11-08, 01:38 PM

All iget is a black screen on 794. Im also on the UWS:confused:

Reboot your box

Berk32

04-11-08, 01:40 PM

whew. hope you're right. thanks

He is correct.

Golf Channel 'normally' gets the HD slot on VsGolfHD on Thursday and Friday nights.... (it was actually a problem last year)

This year Comcast (they run these channels) came to their senses last minute and is showing Hockey (the golf content would've been SD anyways)

Berk32

04-11-08, 01:45 PM

Why is everyone watching the Rangers on Vs HD? Isn't it being shown on MSG +HD as well? In general I find Vs's coverage and commentators to be much more annoying than MSG's, so it's an easy decision for me.

Versus can't show any Rangers/Devils playoff games locally that are being broadcast on MSG/MSG+.

Local broadcasters can show the entire first round for their local teams (other than NBC games) - Versus is not exclusive. (Versus isn't even scheduled for its first Rangers/Devils game until Sunday)

We're all talking about the other games on VersusHD... some of us do enjoy watching playoff hockey that may not involve the Rangers. :cool:

(For the 2nd round - Versus gets to show 'up to' 2 games from each series exclusively.... they become 100% exclusive for the following round (outside of the NBC games))

LL3HD

04-11-08, 03:35 PM

FYI from crains new york

Verizon readies FiOs proposal for NYC

The city announced Friday that it will start taking proposals from new cable TV providers, giving Verizon the go-ahead for its fiber-optic cable plan.

April 11. 2008 3:12PMBy: Amanda Fung

After a 18-month-long wait, Verizon Communications Inc. can now move forward with plans to offer television service in New York City. The city announced Friday that it will start taking proposals from new cable TV providers.

The telecom giant’s plan to launch television service over its new fiber-optic cable, dubbed FiOS, has been stymied in the past. The City Council authorized the Bloomberg administration to open the cable TV market to competition in October 2006 but the city failed to issue the request for proposals, the next step in allowing in new providers.

“We are anxious to review the solicitation, and our intention is to respond to it,” said a Verizon spokesman, who could not provide specify how soon the company will respond.

According to the city’s Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications, the agency that oversees cable franchises, any company capable of offering TV service to households throughout the city can apply for a cable franchise. There is also no deadline for applicants, “the solicitation is non-exclusive and open-ended.” However, only Verizon is expected to seek a franchise. The company hopes to obtain one by year-end.

“Today we’ve taken a significant step toward opening this market to potential new providers,” said DoITT Commissioner Paul Cosgrave, in a statement. “It is our firm belief that direct competition between cable providers will result in greater choice, lower prices and enhanced customer service for cable television subscribers. We look forward to receiving and reviewing these new proposals.”

Verizon has been building out its fiber optic network throughout the five boroughs as part of its nationwide, $23-billion project to upgrade its copper wire across the nation. It has already rolled out its high-speed FiOS Internet service over that system to residents. While the company refused to disclose how many buildings are wired, it has identified a half a dozen in New York where FiOS Internet is available. Last month, Verizon said it will bring Internet service to 11,232 households in Manhattan’s Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village apartment complex.

Verizon is already competing against Cablevision Systems Corp. in more than 145 communities in Long Island, where it has been able to obtain cable TV franchise since 2005.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008473277305&category=FREE&nocache=1