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manhattan12345

08-19-08, 08:43 PM

That includes taxes. I was very adamant in making sure I was clear on that from the Verizon guy! lol
But my main happiness is saving $60/month for six months. Well, getting all those movie channels too:)
I was just looking at the channel line-up sheet he gave me - here's what they have listed for HD in NYC:

All the locals of course: 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13
USA
TNT
TBS
FX
Universal
WGN
HD Net

ESPN
ESPN News
ESPN2
YES
SportsNet NY
Speed
Big Ten
NFL
Versus
Outdoor 2
World Fishing - yayyy! (haha j/k)
Mav TV - whatever the hell that is, might be a typo

CNN
CNBC
Fox Biz
Fox News
Weather Channel
Discovery
National Geo
Science
Smithsonian
History
Bio
Animal Planet
HD Theater
TLC

Lifetime
Lifetime Movie

QVC - yayyy!
Food Network
HGTV
Planet Green
Wealth - yayyy!
Travel Channel

Sci Fi
A&E
Bravo
ABC Family
Hallmark Movie
MGM
HD Net
Disney
Toon Disney

Premium movie channels
HBO
HBO2
HBO SIGNATURE
HBO FAMILY
HBO COMEDY
HBO ZONE
HBO LATINO
CINEMAX
MORE MAX
ACTION MAX
THRILLER MAX
WMAX
AT MAX
FIVE STAR MAX
OUTERMAX
SHOWTIME
SHOW SHOWCASE
SHOWTIME 2
SHOWTIME EXTREME - YAAAAY
THE MOVIE CHANNEL
THE MOVIE CHANNEL XTRA
STARZ
EDGE
STARZ KIDS
STARZ COMEDY

And the West Coast feeds (also in HD) of those movie channels are carried too.

As far as movies, I think I will never have to rent or do VOD again.

UnnDunn

08-19-08, 10:01 PM

did anyone make the switch to fios yet? id like to know about the installation, will my entire house have to be rewired? can my existing cables and splitters be reused? from the looks of things ill be saving about $30/month if I make the switch from twc.
If you let them, they will use your existing coax for TV and Internet, and your existing copper for phone. Obviously you will no longer be able to receive Time Warner's services. If you want to switch back to TWC, they will need to reconnect your coax to the tap.

If you are keeping Time Warner for anything, they will run new Ethernet for your Internet or Coax for your TV, but will still reuse your copper for phone.

John Mason

08-20-08, 06:59 AM

Did any ones cable go out this A.M.??Im in Man.It was out now its back.Any one else have problems??
Yes, my vintage 8300HD, at midtown Manhattan east, rebooted during the night, showing time only and initially missing data (blank menu) after I pressed the remote's System On/Off. Lost all audio about 12 hours later, fixed after two cold reboots. Seems okay now. -- John

UESGuy

08-20-08, 09:43 AM

Hmm...so no TCM with VIOS?

eljeffreynyc

08-20-08, 02:59 PM

If you let them, they will use your existing coax for TV and Internet, and your existing copper for phone. Obviously you will no longer be able to receive Time Warner's services. If you want to switch back to TWC, they will need to reconnect your coax to the tap.

If you are keeping Time Warner for anything, they will run new Ethernet for your Internet or Coax for your TV, but will still reuse your copper for phone.

thanks for the info. I think i might give verzion a shot then. I can just simply unplug the TW coax coming from the street and then have verizon plug there line into my existing splitters.

UnnDunn

08-20-08, 04:16 PM

thanks for the info. I think i might give verzion a shot then. I can just simply unplug the TW coax coming from the street and then have verizon plug there line into my existing splitters.
They may need to run new coax depending on where your phone terminal box is in relation to your coax line. When installing FiOS, they generally replace the existing phone terminal box with the new FiOS fiber terminal box on the side of your home.

But in the interest of time, they will generally re-use as much of your existing wiring as they can.

manhattan12345

08-20-08, 04:51 PM

Hmm...so no TCM with VIOS?

No TCM as far as I can see, although the sales guy promised 50 more HDs by end of year to bring their line-up to 150, so maybe it will be in there. I hope so, that would be a nice channel to have in HD.

ANGEL 35

08-20-08, 05:26 PM

They may need to run new coax depending on where your phone terminal box is in relation to your coax line. When installing FiOS, they generally replace the existing phone terminal box with the new FiOS fiber terminal box on the side of your home.

But in the interest of time, they will generally re-use as much of your existing wiring as they can.

Do they have to rewire your phon terminal box from your basement to your Apt.I live in a 6 floor Apt. bulding.:confused:Do they use stair way or what??:eek:

lee7n

08-20-08, 06:30 PM

So I have seem to have received the new software for the 8300HDC - the 480 vs 1080 switching seems to have been fixed, and switching between normal/wide/zoom using the "#" key gives me a nice new status window. But...

I have my 8300HDC configured for 16x9 aspect ratio - since my set is 16x9. But when I try to use the "#" key to zoom a 4x3 channel (e.g. Entourage on 480 channel, letterboxed on all sides), the resulting zoom remains crammed inside a 4x3 section in the middle - the 8300HDC refuses to use my full 16x9 display unless I'm on a 16x9 / 1080 channel.

(tried to see if configuring the 8300HDC to 4x3 would help, but once I did that, the "#" mechanism was no longer available)

Using a HDMI connection to Sony KDL32SL130 set, if that makes any difference.

Any tips?

Mine is ok when I use the aspect function just tested with a letterbox 4x3 channel and it was fine. Try rebooting, I have the same box HDC.

lee7n

08-20-08, 08:46 PM

So I have seem to have received the new software for the 8300HDC - the 480 vs 1080 switching seems to have been fixed, and switching between normal/wide/zoom using the "#" key gives me a nice new status window. But...

I have my 8300HDC configured for 16x9 aspect ratio - since my set is 16x9. But when I try to use the "#" key to zoom a 4x3 channel (e.g. Entourage on 480 channel, letterboxed on all sides), the resulting zoom remains crammed inside a 4x3 section in the middle - the 8300HDC refuses to use my full 16x9 display unless I'm on a 16x9 / 1080 channel.

(tried to see if configuring the 8300HDC to 4x3 would help, but once I did that, the "#" mechanism was no longer available)

Using a HDMI connection to Sony KDL32SL130 set, if that makes any difference.

Any tips?

Also make sure your Sony is set to "full" for wide mode

UnnDunn

08-20-08, 08:55 PM

Do they have to rewire your phon terminal box from your basement to your Apt.I live in a 6 floor Apt. bulding.:confused:Do they use stair way or what??:eek:
Depends on what arrangement they come to with the property owner. In some cases, they'll bring a FiOS terminal box to your apartment, in other cases they'll have a distribution box in the basement and run coax, ethernet or copper to the apartment.

In general, they will try as hard as possible to bring the fiber into your apartment and put a FiOS box inside your door.

ANGEL 35

08-21-08, 09:07 AM

Depends on what arrangement they come to with the property owner. In some cases, they'll bring a FiOS terminal box to your apartment, in other cases they'll have a distribution box in the basement and run coax, ethernet or copper to the apartment.

In general, they will try as hard as possible to bring the fiber into your apartment and put a FiOS box inside your door.

Thank you for that info.:cool: No one from Verizon has come to talk about any kind of arrangements to wire the apt. Bulding.:(

LL3HD

08-21-08, 01:33 PM

Hmm...so no TCM with VIOS?There is no HD version of the TCM channel available to any provider. Write to TCM direct and let them know you want the channel.
FIOS does carry the SD version.

UESGuy

08-21-08, 01:52 PM

There is no HD version of the TCM channel available to any provider. Write to TCM direct and let them know you want the channel.
FIOS does carry the SD version.

Oh well that's fine then. If they carry the SD version, I'm good. I don't have any need for a HD version of some 1930s film that will never look great.

AndyHDTV

08-21-08, 01:54 PM

Oh well that's fine then. If they carry the SD version, I'm good. I don't have any need for a HD version of some 1930s film that will never look great.

oh but it would look good, it would knock your socks off.

daniels1994

08-22-08, 03:23 PM

ANGEL 35

08-23-08, 11:04 AM

Does any one have 996 its the diag. screen. It looks like its gone. I have the 8300HDC.When i try to get it , it says no data.Any one getting this??

AndyHDTV

08-23-08, 11:25 AM

Does any one have 996 its the diag. screen. It looks like its gone. I have the 8300HDC.When i try to get it , it says no data.Any one getting this??

I got 6 pages of data

ANGEL 35

08-23-08, 04:51 PM

I got 6 pages of data

I also got my 6 pages of data back today.:cool:

johnosolis

08-25-08, 09:00 AM

I didn't get a chance to check this morning. Has Time Warner taken away the temporary HD channels it provided for the duration of the Olympics? (USA-HD & CNBC-HD)

PS: I recently discovered channels 1996 and 1997 which have diagnostic testing.

OSUBuckly

08-25-08, 01:15 PM

I didn't get a chance to check this morning. Has Time Warner taken away the temporary HD channels it provided for the duration of the Olympics? (USA-HD & CNBC-HD)
I just had my wife check at home and she said we still have USA-HD on 195 (Yay for US Open tennis). Didn't check on CNBC-HD though. We are in Astoria.

cap_167

08-25-08, 01:55 PM

They're both still on but so is the Olympic basketball and soccer channel as well.

lpcustom123

08-25-08, 03:15 PM

A lot less for affluent neighborhoods (at least that's what I'm hoping) :o

A_C

Don't know what the roll-out rate is for affluent neighborhoods but it seems that Harlem is getting most of the attention lately from what I can see. I see many more trucks there than on the UES.

ANGEL 35

08-25-08, 05:58 PM

boisty

08-25-08, 06:05 PM

Hey Guys,

Just moved back to NYC and have started using TWC again. Came from NJ and was using Directv which I liked.

Still basically moving in but so far I have the following setup: SA8300HDC hooked up to a Samsung 32" LCD via HDMI.

A few quick questions......

1) HD channels dont look spectacular. I used the same tv with Directv and the HD channels looked much better. Is there another box besides the 8300HDC that gives a better picture?

2) If Im on channel 2 and hit the GUIDE button I get a full screen guide. If Im on channel 702 and hit the GUIDE button I get a small 4:3 guide. Any reason for this or a fix??

3) Anyone using a LN46a650 with TWC NYC? If so, what are your thoughts.....???

I'm sure I will have more questions in the near future. Thanks for any replies.

Cheers,
Boisty

lee7n

08-25-08, 07:11 PM

Berk32

08-25-08, 07:15 PM

Yes!!!

USA-HD still lives!!!

I just hope it for at least 2 more weeks (or permanent... of course...)

Berk32

08-26-08, 12:22 AM

Berk32

08-26-08, 01:38 AM

Update:

BasketballHD and SoccerHD were just removed from the lineup (along with the foreign language SD channels). However, as of now their signals are still being sent out (still active in same QAM/channel slots)

USAHD and CNBCHD remain for now (perhaps they realize that NYers would really like to watch the US Open.. of course that doesn't explain why CNBCHD is still around... not that I'm complaining)

Just figured out why CNBCHD may still be around for a little while longer...

Next Monday it has live US Open coverage for a few hours (WWE Raw will air as usual and wont air on SciFi as it did tonight with a tape delay on USA later)

johnosolis

08-26-08, 09:01 AM

What kind of testing do these channels do???:(

Regarding channels 1996 and 1997 ... one of them gathers data (similar to channel 996) and has a button to press to 'send', apparently as part of the installation process. The other has a list of tests to perform and purports to take 25 minutes to accomplish them all.

I'm at work now, so I don't have details in front of me.

OSUBuckly

08-26-08, 10:22 AM

Good news for (mediocre) sports fans!

Apparently last night TWC reached a deal with the Big Ten Network to begin carrying the channel. My source is that I'm on a mailing list for the Columbus Dispatch newspaper which emails me all the news regarding Ohio State football. I'm not sure how much of a priority it will be to get it here in NYC, but now at least we know they have come to terms. I wonder what the chances are we'll get it in HD too?

heinriph

08-26-08, 12:16 PM

Also make sure your Sony is set to "full" for wide mode

Here's the final update on my quest to have SD show up in 4:3 (ie not in stretched) on my Sony LCD, and have it be zoomable using the the TWC remote:

Using HDMI I could not make it work. No matter what I did (and the Sony provides plenty of options/combinations to try), zooming 4:3 only showed the zoomed picture within the 4:3 boundaries, which was pointless.

Switched to Component, set Sony to show HD in full, and turned Auto Wide off. Now HD is fullscreen (always is, really), SD shows up in 4:3, and the 4:3 image can be zoomed to fill the screen using the 8300HDC remote's # button.

I'm inclined to think the Sony is too clever by half, and is screwing up my ability to do this with HDMI.

heinriph

08-26-08, 12:19 PM

Hey Guys,

2) If Im on channel 2 and hit the GUIDE button I get a full screen guide. If Im on channel 702 and hit the GUIDE button I get a small 4:3 guide. Any reason for this or a fix??

Sounds like you might have your standard definition channels (such as Ch. 2) set to automatically stretch to fill the screen...? So the fact that the guide is showing up full screen isn't because it's actually a full/wide signal, but rather because it's native 4:3 aspect ratio is set to be automatically stretched by the 8300HDC or your TV.

mikeM1

08-26-08, 04:03 PM

Sounds like you might have your standard definition channels (such as Ch. 2) set to automatically stretch to fill the screen...? So the fact that the guide is showing up full screen isn't because it's actually a full/wide signal, but rather because it's native 4:3 aspect ratio is set to be automatically stretched by the 8300HDC or your TV.

That's kinda weird then because on MY screen, where i have my SD channels set to auto stretch the image, the guide is STILL showing up with bars on both ends when i tune in to ch. 2. Altho i'm using the non-HDC model cable box. :confused:

OSUBuckly

08-26-08, 04:16 PM

A while back, somebody posted the direct email address of an employee at Time Warner Cable who actually responds to questions. Can someone share this again? I have a simple programming question that I'd like to ask and I'd feel better knowing it went to a real person instead of one of those general forms.

Thanks.

boisty

08-26-08, 05:05 PM

Thanks for the responses.....

Yes my SD stations are set to STRETCH.

I would love BigTen network in HD. That would be great.

Also on ch. 996 with the ST Diagnostics.....I get 38 for RDC and -7 for FDC. How strong/weak is this signal? Is it possible to check these numbers to the cable modem? Thanks again!

Boisty

AndyHDTV

08-26-08, 06:27 PM

OSUBuckly

08-26-08, 09:16 PM

bob.watson@twcable.com

though he doesn't reply to me anymore.
Email sent. I figure it is worth a shot.

HDTV Dude

08-26-08, 11:54 PM

Checked my channel guide this evening and found out that CNBC-HD and USA-HD were listed on channels 715 and 716 respectively. I find it very strange that TWC is still showing these channels in NYC, has made no annoucement about why we still have these channels despite several other TWC outlets having report that they were removed and has waited until now to finally put them in their proper HD channel slots. This kinds of reminds me of when we first got Universal-HD a couple of years ago for the US Open and some how ended up keeping it at a later time.

AndyHDTV

08-27-08, 12:06 AM

disafan

08-27-08, 01:13 PM

Well, the message on 716 tells me to turn to 195 to see USAHD. But hopefully we'll keep this channel.

Berk32

08-27-08, 02:08 PM

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/Programming/BigTenNetwork.html

Big Ten Network Update

August 27th, 2008

Time Warner Cable and the Big Ten Network announced today that they have reached an agreement-in-principle on terms of carriage for the Big Ten Network and its high-definition and video-on-demand programming on Time Warner Cable's line-ups throughout the Big Ten territory, including Ohio and Wisconsin.

The pending agreement will ensure that Time Warner Cable's customers across these Big Ten states will have access to this Saturday's Big Ten college football season openers and all future Big Ten Network programming on an expanded basic level of service.

Once Time Warner Cable gets the core Big Ten market agreements in place we will evaluate the possibility of carrying these games locally. Continue to check our website, timewarnercable.com/nynj, for information updates.

so this doesn't apply to us at all......

OSUBuckly

08-27-08, 03:26 PM

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/Programming/BigTenNetwork.html
so this doesn't apply to us at all......
True, unfortunately. Here is the email I got regarding the Big Ten Network.

"Thank you for your email regarding Big Ten Network.

Time Warner Cable and the Big Ten Network announced today that they have reached an agreement-in-principle on terms of carriage for the Big Ten Network and its high-definition and video-on-demand programming on Time Warner Cable's line-ups throughout the Big Ten territory, including Ohio and Wisconsin. The pending agreement will ensure that Time Warner Cable's customers across these Big Ten states will have access to this Saturday's Big Ten college football season openers and all future Big Ten Network programming on an expanded basic level of service.

Once Time Warner Cable gets the core Big Ten market agreements in place we will evaluate the possibility of carrying these games locally in the NY metropolitan area. Check our website, twcnyc.com for information updates."

I would certainly rather have BTN than ESPNU or CBS Colege Sports. Oh well.

slumpey326

08-27-08, 03:35 PM

any fios news, anyone switch lately and if so how has it been.

boisty

08-27-08, 03:37 PM

lee7n

08-28-08, 09:48 AM

Hi

quick question regarding SA8300HDC.....when i go to ch 996 the STB crashes and reboots all by itself. lost all my recorded programs and all series to record. all settings were reset as well. also had a gray screen on every channel this AM. my box is definitely acting up. should i switch for a new one or is this normal at times with this unit? Thanks very much

Boisty

Patient: Dr. it hurts when I do this
DR.: So don't do that

Seriously though if you see it crashing why would you keep doing that? Just exchange it since you lost everything anyway. Go during lunch hours, the 23rd st store tends to be pretty empty during the day.

boisty

08-28-08, 10:00 AM

thanks Lee. going there at some point today. i actually only went to 996 the one time. it did crash at that point and then wld just reboot all by itself from time to time during the day. i have also discovered that it says the HD is full and i cant record. there are no shows recorded at all, however. thanks again.

boisty

broadwayblue

08-29-08, 12:08 PM

Anyone else experiencing internet issues on the UES? It started last night and still persists. My download speeds show 7000kb, but up is only 74kb.

ANGEL 35

08-29-08, 12:32 PM

Anyone else experiencing internet issues on the UES? It started last night and still persists. My download speeds show 7000kb, but up is only 74kb.

No UWS issues. My download speed is 25560 Up load is 497KP:cool:

TonyNYC

08-29-08, 02:30 PM

No UWS issues. My download speed is 25560 Up load is 497KP:cool:

You do realize that those speeds are a result of Powerboost right? A 15 second speed boost and then your connection throttles down to the standard speed.

A nice feature for faster downloads, but it is not a permanent speed adjustment.

JeffMoney

08-29-08, 02:50 PM

I see in regards to USAHD & CNBCHD THEY ARE MOVING THOSES CHANNELS TO WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE 716 & 715 , USAHD WAS ON CHANNEL 195 BUT NOW ITS BLANK AND 716 SAYS GO TO CHANNEL 195 LOL

John Mason

08-29-08, 04:39 PM

I see in regards to USAHD & CNBCHD THEY ARE MOVING THOSES CHANNELS TO WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE 716 & 715 , USAHD WAS ON CHANNEL 195 BUT NOW ITS BLANK AND 716 SAYS GO TO CHANNEL 195 LOL
Yes, fun and games with TWC. USA-HD (tennis this PM) has been blank most of the afternoon. Looking forward to FIOS arriving in my building. -- John

Kold Kuts

08-29-08, 04:43 PM

Yes, fun and games with TWC. USA-HD (tennis this PM) has been blank most of the afternoon. Looking forward to FIOS arriving in my building. -- John

Looks like TWC finally removed USA-HD and CNBC-HD. Channels disappeared from the guide this afternoon. :mad:

Berk32

08-29-08, 04:48 PM

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

cap_167

08-29-08, 05:17 PM

Channel 195 and 196 still shows up on the guide and so does 715 and 716 however the latter channels tell me that's it's no longer available when I tune to it.:(

Digiti

08-29-08, 05:25 PM

I have a friend that expressed an interest in this Pioneer DVD recorder:http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/560298-REG/Pioneer_DVR_LX70_DVR_LX70_Multi_System_DVD_Recorder.html

He has a non-DVR HD STB with a HDMI out from Queens N.Y.TWC. I told him that I thought this device would not be useful because of the scrambling copy protection TWC uses even for the low channels 2-13. Am I correct in this assessment? Thanks very much.

Sorry to be off topic here. I am just as pissed as everyone losing the Federer match on USAHD in mid stream.

LL3HD

08-29-08, 05:33 PM

Channel 195 and 196 still shows up on the guide and so does 715 and 716 :(They're all gone in Queens.

Berk32

08-29-08, 05:51 PM

They're all gone in Queens.

The channels all disappeared in the last 20 minutes from the guide... picture went away a few hours ago (was still there around 11am)

JeffMoney

08-29-08, 05:58 PM

What bs they are twc during the us open they remove usahd, what a bunch of jerkoffs..

John Mason

08-29-08, 07:05 PM

Yup, now USAHD and CNBCHD seem removed from any channel lineup--halfway through the 2-week U.S. Tennis Open on USAHD. A reboot (S. Manhattan head end) brings up nothing. Hurry up Verizon with FIOS!-- John

UnnDunn

08-29-08, 08:14 PM

At least you had USA HD for the Olympics.

Us Cablevision subs had only NBC HD and Universal HD for our HD Olympics coverage.

Berk32

08-29-08, 08:22 PM

What bs they are twc during the us open they remove usahd, what a bunch of jerkoffs..

TWC only had the rights for the olympics...

we were hopeful a full time deal could be worked out... didn't happen...

we were lucky enough to get 4+ extra days of the channel - since every other TWC region lost it Monday morning

TonyNYC

08-29-08, 11:56 PM

As the saying goes......

Easy come, easy go.

JeffMoney

08-30-08, 10:14 AM

Its still a bunch of crap and what even happen to the NFL Network, same old story TWC always act like they are the good guy..

skanter1

08-30-08, 01:22 PM

US Open has always been on Universal HD for the past few years - what happened to that?

I can't believe there is no way to see US Open night matches in HD...:mad:

Berk32

08-30-08, 01:40 PM

US Open has always been on Universal HD for the past few years - what happened to that?

I can't believe there is no way to see US Open night matches in HD...:mad:

USAHD was created in the last year. That's why.

(but this will be the only year with the problem - ESPN2 takes over for USA next year)

dad1153

08-30-08, 10:57 PM

Just when I was enjoying watching "Law & Order" repeats ("SVU" and "CI") in HD TWC pulls the plug. F#@&ing bastards! :mad:

skanter1

08-30-08, 11:47 PM

USAHD was created in the last year. That's why.

(but this will be the only year with the problem - ESPN2 takes over for USA next year)

I wasn't thrilled with ESPN2 HD at French - lousy-looking feed and extremely annoying scroll bar at the bottom.

Berk32

08-31-08, 12:27 AM

I wasn't thrilled with ESPN2 HD at French - lousy-looking feed and extremely annoying scroll bar at the bottom.

well it wasn't HD.

skanter1

08-31-08, 02:25 AM

well it wasn't HD.

Are you sure? Others here seemed to think it was. Wimbledon was the same. Read this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1026916&page=2

How do you know next year's ESPN HD feed will be HD?

John Mason

08-31-08, 09:15 AM

While ESPN can deliver HD (1280X720), it's half the spatial resolution of 1080i sources such as CBS and USA-HD (1920X1080). Many with adequate display resolution, not sitting too far from screens, can easily see 1080i has more detailed images, even though 1080i systems don''t actually deliver twice the effective spatial resolution.

Not positive, but Wimbledon and the Paris open, AIUI, were HD, although NBC's national distribution bit rate problem, plus station multicasting, harms PQ. But recall being able to resolve the web structure of the court nets from Wimbledon. While overall HD shots on USAHD and CBS now seem reasonably crisp, I haven't resolved the net webbing on any of the shots from the main overview cameras.

These overview cameras appear to be ~12 rows up in the stands and with some shots you can see another HD camera in operation ~1 row up (plus on-court cameras). With just slight camera zooming the black webbing can be resolved. No big deal, but the gradual spoiling of HD crispness in recent years, to stuff in more channels, is irritating. If Verizon is avoiding additional compression with all-fiber bandwidth for better fidelity, plus a super channel lineup, TWC needs to match them. -- John

mikeM1

08-31-08, 01:03 PM

mikeM1

08-31-08, 01:29 PM

OH, OK, let me add that, on a brief shot from behind the player (the LOWER LEVEL shot) i COULD see the black netting to some extent.

AndyHDTV

09-01-08, 12:30 AM

some funny clips that show sometimes on TV about FIOS

http://www.youtube.com/user/VzFiosNYC

seamus21514

09-01-08, 01:31 AM

FiOS TV is coming to my house on Saturday! Good luck with ****** TWC!

AndyHDTV

09-01-08, 01:48 AM

FiOS TV is coming to my house on Saturday! Good luck with ****** TWC!

congrats. you will have 103 HD channels.

John Mason

09-01-08, 09:37 AM

You guys can see the netting on these CBS telecasts?? :eek: I don't see A THING below the white horizontal stripe/tape on top of the nets. If you're talking about the shot taken from up above and behind one of the players (the usual view) the net looks like an invisible panel to me. Otherwise, the PQ on my Pioneer 43" plasma looks pretty good. It never occurred to me to try to discern the netting; it doesn't appear to be an option.
My point above, and with a few posts in the HD programming forum about the tennis Open (USA-HD and CBS-HD delivery threads), is that you (apparently) can't see the black webbing from the main overview cameras (~12 rows back).

If you jump to the current Open HD programming thread, for CBS delivery, there's an image posted from Wimbledon this year that very clearly shows the webbing after you load the image and then click it again to enlarge full-screen. Sneals2000, a BBC engineer, indicates he'll try to photograph web structure shots from his Sky DBS delivery. If overseas viewers can see it, or perhaps FIOS subscribers, that's worth noting. On-court HD cameras clearly show the webbing, and I may have seen it during a brief slight zoom from the overview camera(s) in different courts. Suspect you might need at least a 1366X768-res display and up to see the webbing when it's present from standard overview shots, as from Wimbledon earlier. (However, it appears NYC TWC's maximum effective resolution, at least via HDNet from their Saturday test pattern, is still only ~1300 lines (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424).)-- John

mjl2142

09-01-08, 12:19 PM

I know this is a little off topic, but has anyone (media or individual) made a NYC comparison of FIOS and Time Warner Cable?

I've been thinking about switching, but i have been hearing horror stories about installing FIOS from neighbors.

mikeM1

09-01-08, 12:41 PM

My point above, and with a few posts in the HD programming forum about the tennis Open (USA-HD and CBS-HD delivery threads), is that you (apparently) can't see the black webbing from the main overview cameras (~12 rows back).

If you jump to the current Open HD programming thread, for CBS delivery, there's an image posted from Wimbledon this year that very clearly shows the webbing after you load the image and then click it again to enlarge full-screen. Sneals2000, a BBC engineer, indicates he'll try to photograph web structure shots from his Sky DBS delivery. If overseas viewers can see it, or perhaps FIOS subscribers, that's worth noting. On-court HD cameras clearly show the webbing, and I may have seen it during a brief slight zoom from the overview camera(s) in different courts. Suspect you might need at least a 1366X768-res display and up to see the webbing when it's present from standard overview shots, as from Wimbledon earlier. (However, it appears NYC TWC's maximum effective resolution, at least via HDNet from their Saturday test pattern, is still only ~1300 lines (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424).)-- John

OK John, thanks for expanding on your answer. BTW, i really like the way CBS HD does the audio on these matches...they really have those directional mikes set up in the right places! :)

Gooddog

09-01-08, 09:25 PM

Looks like TWC finally removed USA-HD and CNBC-HD. Channels disappeared from the guide this afternoon. :mad:

Gone in Orange Co.

SRFast

09-02-08, 07:08 AM

lee7n

09-02-08, 10:47 AM

Just when I was enjoying watching "Law & Order" repeats ("SVU" and "CI") in HD TWC pulls the plug. F#@&ing bastards! :mad:

Just watch TNT what is the difference?

dad1153

09-02-08, 12:40 PM

^^^ TNT has high-def repeats of the mothership "L&O" show but USA holds the rights to the "Special Victims Unit" and "Criminal Intent" shows. I love all three "L&O" shows equally, but because I've become an HD whore I've only been watching the mothership reruns on TNT wishing I had USA-HD so I could also watch the high-def "SVU" and "CI" reruns. I had that for the couple of weeks USA-HD and CNBC-HD were up during the Olympics (and loved them) but now they're gone and my "SVU"/"CI" loving heart is crushed by the inability to watch them daily in high-def. Once you watch a "L&O" show (any of them!) in HD it's impossible to go back to plain-old sucky SD.

Again, damn you TWC!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Berk32

09-02-08, 01:20 PM

chopsueychris

09-02-08, 02:05 PM

blevine77

09-02-08, 02:37 PM

Any word on an eventual plan for TWC to add the NFL Network, or will this be yet another season without it?

thetoad

09-02-08, 02:38 PM

I'm wondering if anyone is using an HVR-1600 or HDHomeRun with TWC in NYC (i.e. manhattan).

What channels is it able to pickup? Wondering if a list is kept anywhere of TWC's ClearQAM channels and their mappings?

disafan

09-02-08, 03:50 PM

Try using the Lineup server at www.silicondust.com. It is contributed by HDHomerun users.

broadwayblue

09-02-08, 08:24 PM

Hi. I have the NYC TWC SA8300HD DVR and I'm wondering if the Iomega DVR Expander works on this STB. Here's a link to the specs: http://store.iomega.com/section?p=4760&secid=40079. I assume I have the latest version of the Passport software. Any input regarding eSATAs in general is appreciated.

TIA....JL

That should work just fine. But if you are even slightly tech savvy, you can put together your own external drive for significantly less. About two years ago I bought a 400GB Seagate SATA drive, and an Azio eSata enclosure for about $130. It's been working great with my 8300HD ever since. Today you can get a 500GB drive and a comparable enclosure for the same price. It takes about 15 minutes to put together (it's reall just taking the enclosure cover off and screwing the hard drive in) and you can save yourself $60.

slumpey326

09-02-08, 08:29 PM

why the f##k do we not get usahd. We had it during the olympics. This truly sucks watching tennis in SD. I truly hat time warner cable and cant wait to get FIOS when it is offer up here on the UWS.

Berk32

09-03-08, 10:19 AM

why the f##k do we not get usahd. We had it during the olympics. This truly sucks watching tennis in SD. I truly hat time warner cable and cant wait to get FIOS when it is offer up here on the UWS.

if you hate watching tennis in SD - would you enjoy watching the Knicks and Rangers (or Islanders or Devils) in SD? FiOS doesn't have MSG/MSG+ HD

It takes 2 sides to make a deal.... obviously something is going on where both sides are at fault... be pissed at both sides...

(we'll have the channels eventually.....)

lee7n

09-03-08, 11:56 AM

slumpey326

09-03-08, 12:46 PM

I dont care about the msg channels.

FNPonderous

09-03-08, 03:01 PM

That should work just fine. But if you are even slightly tech savvy, you can put together your own external drive for significantly less. About two years ago I bought a 400GB Seagate SATA drive, and an Azio eSata enclosure for about $130. It's been working great with my 8300HD ever since. Today you can get a 500GB drive and a comparable enclosure for the same price. It takes about 15 minutes to put together (it's reall just taking the enclosure cover off and screwing the hard drive in) and you can save yourself $60.

So you can add your own external to the 8300? I was led to believe that you couldn't. Do you know if any enclosure works, as long as it is eSata?

LL3HD

09-03-08, 03:10 PM

So you can add your own external to the 8300? I was led to believe that you couldn't. Do you know if any enclosure works, as long as it is eSata? Look at this thread.. there is good information on ext drives. :cool:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=516559

FNPonderous

09-03-08, 03:41 PM

Look at this thread.. there is good information on ext drives. :cool:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=516559

Thanx, I found it like 5 minutes after I posted. Thats awesome. I get to spend more money on tech. This site rocks. I effin love it.

net_synapse

09-03-08, 10:08 PM

I thought that subscribers here in Manhattan were supposed to get all the additional HD channels that TWC currently supplies to their customers in surrounding areas (SI, Queens) before the end of the year...?

We are into Sept. now and you know they are not going to flip a switch and activate all these channels in one huge update.

Does anyone have any information about TWC adding any additional HD channels in the near future.....? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Berk32

09-03-08, 10:52 PM

net_synapse

09-04-08, 01:27 AM

Yes... it's September...

Still 4 months left in the year...

If we get to November and there is still no word, then be worried.... and pissed...

This is TWC we are talking about.

The only thing we can count on is the constant rate increases that hit several times a year...

dad1153

09-04-08, 12:33 PM

Better we get a "good" channel that does not repeat Law and Order all day long and Wings lol

I'd love a "L&O" channel showing nothing but repeats of all three "L&O" shows all day long. 600+ hrs. (and counting) of "L&O" constantly repeated = TV bliss! :)

bigsid05

09-04-08, 01:48 PM

How many channels offered by TWC here in Manhattan (I live in the UWS) are unencrypted QAM?

scott_bernstein

09-04-08, 02:38 PM

Looks like TWC finally removed USA-HD and CNBC-HD. Channels disappeared from the guide this afternoon. :mad:

Has anybody tried to tune to the frequencies that those channels were located on in the DIAG mode? Is there anything remaining on those frequencies?

daniel711

09-04-08, 02:51 PM

How many channels offered by TWC here in Manhattan (I live in the UWS) are unencrypted QAM?

About 30 or so, mostly analog. About 20% of them are foreign language.

bigsid05

09-04-08, 03:25 PM

About 30 or so, mostly analog. About 20% of them are foreign language.

I'm assuming it's just locals then? I was hoping to be able to watch all the 'free' HD channels using my HTPC.

daniel711

09-04-08, 03:59 PM

I'm assuming it's just locals then? I was hoping to be able to watch all the 'free' HD channels using my HTPC.

All the locals plus things like TBS, A&E, Oxygen, W, PBS, FoxNews, C-Span, etc.. No clear HD QAM. In fact, only 2 or 3 clear digital QAM..

bigsid05

09-04-08, 04:08 PM

Yuck, guess I'm stuck with the worthless SA box... :mad:

Berk32

09-04-08, 07:32 PM

Has anybody tried to tune to the frequencies that those channels were located on in the DIAG mode? Is there anything remaining on those frequencies?

empty signals....

They were gone before the channels were removed from the guide.

scott_bernstein

09-05-08, 06:08 PM

empty signals....

They were gone before the channels were removed from the guide.

Well at least we know where the next channels might show up. ;)

AndyHDTV

09-05-08, 06:29 PM

Well at least we know where the next channels might show up. ;)

These 39 HD channels might light up on our system before years end. I am 99.9% UN-sure of it!!!

Team-HD (NBA League Pass in HD)
NBA TV-HD
The Outdoor Channel-HD
Big Ten Network-HD
MGM-HD
Cartoon Network-HD
FX-HD
Speed-HD
Fuel-HD
Nickelodeon East-HD
MTV-HD
VH1-HD
Spike-HD
Sci-Fi-HD
Bravo-HD
USA-HD
CNBC-HD
MSNBC-HD
Chiller-HD
NFL Network-HD
MavTV-HD
HBO2-HD
HBO Family-HD
HBO Comedy-HD
HBO Signature-HD
HBO Zone-HD
HBO Latino-HD
MoreMax-HD
ActionMAX-HD
5StarMAX-HD
ThrillerMAX-HD
WMAX-HD
@MAX-HD
OuterMAX-HD
Showtime 2-HD
ShowCase-HD
ShowExtreme-HD
TMCxtra-HD
Encore-HD

scott_bernstein

09-05-08, 06:36 PM

These 39 HD channels might light up on our system before years end. I am 99.9% UN-sure of it!!!

Team-HD (NBA League Pass in HD)
NBA TV-HD
The Outdoor Channel-HD
Big Ten Network-HD
MGM-HD
Cartoon Network-HD
FX-HD
Speed-HD
Fuel-HD
Nickelodeon East-HD
MTV-HD
VH1-HD
Spike-HD
Sci-Fi-HD
Bravo-HD
USA-HD
CNBC-HD
MSNBC-HD
Chiller-HD
NFL Network-HD
MavTV-HD
HBO2-HD
HBO Family-HD
HBO Comedy-HD
HBO Signature-HD
HBO Zone-HD
HBO Latino-HD
MoreMax-HD
ActionMAX-HD
5StarMAX-HD
ThrillerMAX-HD
WMAX-HD
@MAX-HD
OuterMAX-HD
Showtime 2-HD
ShowCase-HD
ShowExtreme-HD
TMCxtra-HD
Encore-HD

And let's not forget the channels that the other boroughs have that we are still missing in Manhattan -- A&E HD, MHD (Palladia), NY1HD, and a few others, I think. :(

Berk32

09-05-08, 08:01 PM

And let's not forget the channels that the other boroughs have that we are still missing in Manhattan -- A&E HD, MHD (Palladia), NY1HD, and a few others, I think. :(

its alot more than that..... and we'll see them as soon as analog channels are dropped.......

AndyHDTV

09-05-08, 09:17 PM

its alot more than that..... and we'll see them as soon as analog channels are dropped.......

I am starting to get worried about Manhhatan reaching 100 HD channels by years end.
yes it is 3 1/2 months away but there are still analog boxes around southern manhattan.
Hopefully with VZ making moves and RCN killing analog in October we will have nothing to worry about.

MrRetro

09-05-08, 09:53 PM

I hope someone here can help - I have a SA8300HD box in NYC and I've been watching HD on my several month old LCD TV. Recently I noticed that NY1 has a thin garbled stripe across the top of the picture part of the broadcast, but not into the blue side bars. It looks like you would think it was the TV, but when you zoom into the guide, the imperfection only exists in the small tv portion of the broadcast and not across the top of the guide. Most other HD channels do not have this effect, but I did notice a few more had this effect in the last few days. Most HD channels are 100% FINE, and I don't see this when viewing from another input (DVDs, or hooking up camcorder). Could this be a problem with the DVR box itself? If I consider switching the box, will I get a box running Navigator (I remember it was being referred to as Crap-a-gator in the past) instead of Passport now?

I didn't see any mention of this, so I assume that it not a widespread broadcast glitch. Thanks in advance.

TonyNYC

09-06-08, 09:21 AM

MrRetro

09-06-08, 10:57 AM

I get that line across the top of the screen or the left side of the screen on the Palladia channel due to having my HDTV set to "Full Pixel" mode.

If I keep my HDTV set to factory settings, I will not see that line at the top of channel 701 NY1.

I will look into the settings, thanks for the tip. The only thing is that I don't remember seeing this artifact on that channel or any of the other in the past, this seems to be something that started recently. I have not made any changes to the HDTV since right after I got it several months ago, but I'll double check it. Maybe I'll post a pic of this too.

JeffMoney

09-06-08, 11:22 AM

Nfl network yea rite , we would get the cunyhd before that lol

MrRetro

09-06-08, 01:36 PM

Agent_C

09-06-08, 02:33 PM

Here are two pictures, one shows the normal NY1 screen with the artifacting at the top in the picture area (not in blue sidebars) and the second one is NY1 zoomed in the guide view, artifact only showing on the NY1 picture, not the top of entire screen.

There's nothing abnormal about this; what you are seeing is a portion of the time coding signal on the broadcast channels. It will come and go, and generally, only be visible on 4:3 broadcasts.

Simply adjust your TV so you don't see it. ALL Samsung HD sets have a provision to do this in the user menus.

A_C

MrRetro

09-06-08, 08:36 PM

The more I look around channels that I don't normally watch, it seems like it shows up on 720p HD content, not 1080i content. I'll check my Toshiba manual to see if that is something I can adjust.

Edit: I don't see any settings that control this function on my set.

Agent_C

09-07-08, 09:23 AM

MrRetro

09-07-08, 12:30 PM

It a Toshiba 40RF350U HD LCD, 40" screen.

carl2680

09-07-08, 01:54 PM

I am starting to get worried about Manhhatan reaching 100 HD channels by years end.
yes it is 3 1/2 months away but there are still analog boxes around southern manhattan.
Hopefully with VZ making moves and RCN killing analog in October we will have nothing to worry about.

I think it is unlikely that TWC will reach 100 HD channels here in Manhattan by the end of the year. Sure its 3 months away, but this month they are only droping CSPAN analog so I haven't seen any progress at all. The Shop where I go to cut my hair here in Northern Manhattan still have the same analog box for the last 5 years. I spoke with someone that work for TWC which I know, and he told me that the main problem is not taking the analog boxes from the customers, but the upgrade of some lines because the system here in manhattan is very old. I wish Verizon FIOS would be available to me because I would rather have the NFL network HD, than MSGHD and NY1

Agent_C

09-07-08, 02:17 PM

It a Toshiba 40RF350U HD LCD, 40" screen.

Try these settings:

Owners manual page 50 - Select 'Natural' as your picture size, not 'Native' for broadcast sources.

Owners manual page 52 - Make sure you select 'auto' for the aspect ratio.

A_C

MrRetro

09-07-08, 09:10 PM

Try these settings:

Owners manual page 50 - Select 'Natural' as your picture size, not 'Native' for broadcast sources.

I'm very impressed, THANK YOU for taking the time to help me out with this. That was the issue, someone in the house must have pressed some buttons on the TV remote that they shouldn't have! That cleared up the problem. THANKS!

Agent_C

09-08-08, 07:28 AM

I'm very impressed, THANK YOU for taking the time to help me out with this. That was the issue, someone in the house must have pressed some buttons on the TV remote that they shouldn't have! That cleared up the problem. THANKS!

Happy to oblidge... You may want to read up on video 'overscan'.

A_C

broadwayblue

09-08-08, 03:11 PM

I think it is unlikely that TWC will reach 100 HD channels here in Manhattan by the end of the year. Sure its 3 months away, but this month they are only droping CSPAN analog so I haven't seen any progress at all. The Shop where I go to cut my hair here in Northern Manhattan still have the same analog box for the last 5 years. I spoke with someone that work for TWC which I know, and he told me that the main problem is not taking the analog boxes from the customers, but the upgrade of some lines because the system here in manhattan is very old. I wish Verizon FIOS would be available to me because I would rather have the NFL network HD, than MSGHD and NY1

Interesting. I thought Northern Manhattan had already been switched over to Digital as of a few months ago.

On a side note, you can have the overpriced NFL Network, and it's measly selection of games. ;) Don't get me wrong, I'm a football fan...but the Rangers are far more important (to me) than 8 random NFL games.

Berk32

09-08-08, 04:54 PM

Interesting. I thought Northern Manhattan had already been switched over to Digital as of a few months ago.

On a side note, you can have the overpriced NFL Network, and it's measly selection of games. ;) Don't get me wrong, I'm a football fan...but the Rangers are far more important (to me) than 8 random NFL games.

Supposedly Northern Manhattan had a deadline to turn in analog boxes in late May (based on a post by someone back then who got a notice...)

Analog channels haven't been removed though since the last time I checked (a few days ago)

chopsueychris

09-08-08, 05:03 PM

hansangb

09-08-08, 11:14 PM

Any help?

Please?

how about post 16123

Agent_C

09-09-08, 10:26 AM

My girlfriends family owns a house upstate on the Ulster/Delaware County border (Highmount, NY). For the past month TWC has missed atleast 4 scheduled appointments AND customer service as recently as this weekend has simply been hanging up/disconnecting the calls for trying to have a no picture/poor picture quality issue resolved.

I didn't see a upstate/Woodstock TWC thread, although I am sure there is one. BUT!!!! Since I always lurk and occasionally post here in this thread since I'm a NYC'er I am hoping that one of you guys here might be able to share a phone number or email to corporate or any info that I could pass along so my girlfriends father can log a complaint about this ordeal.

Thanks everyone.

Based on your location (Highmount, NY), these are the closest TWC walk-in locations (http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/customer/locations.html). Go in person, ask to speak to who's ever in charge and demand an explanation. Make a scene if you have to! Get concrete promises for a resolution and make sure they see you taking names and phone numbers.

File a complaint here:

NY State Public Service Commission
Cable TV Complaints: 1-800-342-3377

Go down to Highmount City Hall and determine who manages the cable franchise for your area. Establish a dialog with that person.

If after all that you still can't get the problem resolved, buy one of these (http://www.galaxy-marketing.com/images/DISHSTIC.JPG).

Hope this helps.

A_C

chopsueychris

09-09-08, 01:24 PM

how about post 16123
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14600556&postcount=16123
That post?
And if I didn't know any better I would have guess you were talking to me with a smug elitest prick attitude so thanks for all your help there kind sir. :rolleyes:

LL3HD

09-09-08, 01:54 PM

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14600556&postcount=16123
That post?
And if I didn't know any better I would have guess you were talking to me with a smug elitest prick attitude so thanks for all your help there kind sir. :rolleyes: :eek: :confused: I didn’t get that impression-- but what do I know… I'm not speaking for anyone... but I think he or she was referring you to the email address at the bottom of that post. ;)

skanter1

09-09-08, 02:24 PM

UnnDunn

09-09-08, 02:52 PM

Lots of talk here about FIOS - which is not yet available in my location of Midtown Manhattan.

When it does come, what's the big advantage over TWC? More channels, better interface, faster internet? I'd appreciate it if someone gave me the details, and/or any other info about availability. Is switching a no-brainer?

Thanks,
The big advantages are faster internet (in both directions) and more HD channels. Verizon currently boasts over 100 HD channels as compared to TWC's 60+ in the outer boroughs and 40+ in Manhattan.

Agent_C

09-09-08, 03:54 PM

The big advantages are faster internet (in both directions) and more HD channels. Verizon currently boasts over 100 HD channels as compared to TWC's 60+ in the outer boroughs and 40+ in Manhattan.

Don't forget better HD video quality! FIOS converts from Cable universally report better video quality.

A_C

Jose

09-09-08, 04:18 PM

mikeM1

09-09-08, 04:24 PM

I recall reading somewhere (possibly right here in avs) about the show going HD this month. Anyone have any updates on that one? :confused:

mikeM1

09-09-08, 04:26 PM

Hi All,

Finally switched over to FIOS last night. Triple play with 3 HD boxes. No DVR for me.

First the bad news.
The techs were 2 hours late. They had a window from 1-5 pm and didn't get here till 6pm. It took about 5 hours for installation, and that's without laying down new cables in my apt.

Now the good news........... AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
The techs were very knowledgeable, patient and thorough. They didn't finish till way after 11 pm but I never got the impression that they were dying to leave. 100 HD channels. No doubt a definite improvement over TWC's quality. Had to tweak settings on my plasma cause picture looked a bit darker than TWC. Faster internet speeds.

So yeah, switching is a NO BRAINER!!!!! All that and I'm paying about $40 less with Verizon triple play than I did with TWC. After 90 days bill adds another $15 for movie package.

I would've paid more just to stick it up TWC's a$$. Hate those guys.

Jose.

Really good stuff from Jose. I guess the only DIS-advantage is, FIOS doesn't carry MSG HD...correct?? Otherwise, definitely sounds like advantage, FIOS.

ANGEL 35

09-09-08, 05:47 PM

AndyHDTV

09-09-08, 05:52 PM

I recall reading somewhere (possibly right here in avs) about the show going HD this month. Anyone have any updates on that one? :confused:

Sometime this month, maybe this sunday.

Jose

09-09-08, 06:07 PM

Really good stuff from Jose. I guess the only DIS-advantage is, FIOS doesn't carry MSG HD...correct?? Otherwise, definitely sounds like advantage, FIOS.

No MSG-HD. Not really a Knick fan though.

What kind of cable did you have in your apt.:confused:

RF.

hansangb

09-09-08, 07:11 PM

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14600556&postcount=16123
That post?
And if I didn't know any better I would have guess you were talking to me with a smug elitest prick attitude so thanks for all your help there kind sir. :rolleyes:

Look at the .sig of that post. What you asked for (an inside email contact) in in the .sig. I have no clue what your talking about re: elitist prick etc.etc.

mikeM1

09-09-08, 10:00 PM

No MSG-HD. Not really a Knick fan though.

RF.

Or a Rangers fan for that matter. :D

broadwayblue

09-09-08, 11:57 PM

Or a Rangers fan for that matter. :D

That's the rub. No Rangers HD, no FIOS for me. :(

AndyHDTV

09-10-08, 12:03 AM

We are able to add HD channels as we complete our digital transition in the various parts of the City. We have completed that transition in SI and BQS, Manhattan will be complete closer to year end. That is the reason you see the difference you see at present in number of HD channels. We can greatly increase the number as the transition is completed.

On the number of HD channels, there are not 150 good channels even being offered by programmers. We are committed to adding good quality HD channels and HD VOD as it is available. You will continue to see this in the City as the conversion to digital is completed.

Agent_C

09-10-08, 11:46 AM

Let's not get carried away with the sports talk gentleman; OK?

http://www.eurweb.com/images/articles/200801/judge_judy.jpg

Agent_C

09-10-08, 11:51 AM

broadwayblue

09-10-08, 01:01 PM

I have to agree that there are not 150 truly HD channels available. Most of what Direct TV boasts about is marginally up-converted 4:3 content.

A_C

True, but there are a bunch of quality HD channels that TWC should have given us a LONG time ago. Where the heck is Discovery HD? Where is the science channel suite? I ask about NHL HD, but apparently that might upset you. ;) Just because there aren't 150 quality HD offerings doesn't justify them screwing us over on a dozen or so that they should be offering.

Agent_C

09-10-08, 01:16 PM

True, but there are a bunch of quality HD channels that TWC should have given us a LONG time ago. Where the heck is Discovery HD? Where is the science channel suite? I ask about NHL HD, but apparently that might upset you. ;) Just because there aren't 150 quality HD offerings doesn't justify them screwing us over on a dozen or so that they should be offering.

I'd love to have few more HD channels as well, but I don't want them to skimp on bandwidth to get them. Lately compression hasn't been too bad (although they trashed CNN during the Olympics, in an apparent effort to bring those temporary channels on 195 - 197). I believe it would be an ever greater temptation if FIOS wasn't nipping at TWC's heels.

I'm very curious to see what the lineup will look like in Manhattan come January.

A_C

Berk32

09-10-08, 03:06 PM

Lately compression hasn't been too bad (although they trashed CNN during the Olympics, in an apparent effort to bring those temporary channels on 195 - 197).

?????????????
:confused:

justlou

09-10-08, 03:45 PM

Agent_C

09-10-08, 03:59 PM

?????????????
:confused:

During the Olympics I noticed severely reduced image quality on CNN-HD. On some programs it was unwatchable. Coronas around people and heavy pixilation. There was even a phenomena I’d never seen before; on pans with high contrast backgrounds, the pixilation had a purple tinge to it. Yuk!

Only speculation of course, but since there were 3 temporary HD channels for sports :rolleyes:, and they obviously had to steal the bandwidth from somewhere, I assumed they decided to throw CNN to the lions.

A_C

Agent_C

09-10-08, 04:15 PM

I'm waiting to January to make a final decision on whether to keep TWC, or add FiOS TV to my current FiOS Internet and phone service. It will come down to who comes through with the better HD content in the next 4 months. Yesterday, I picked up another digital converter box at the TWC location on Richmond Ave, in Staten Island. The place was super busy, and I had to wait a 1/2 hour. In that time frame, I'd say no less than 6 people came in to return cable equipment and cancel their service. I also observed the CSR's trying hard to talk every person that came in to pay a bill or that had billing questions, into signing up for their "3 Year Price Lock" plan. TWC better make a move. Things don't look good for them here on SI.

What ‘move’ would you suggest? They’re limited by the constraints of Cable technology.

It’ll be interesting to see how this all shakes out over the next few years. I’d expect FIOS to be a higher priced service, offering higher Internet speeds and better HD quality & program choices. TWC will be cheaper, perhaps significantly, because you’ll be getting less - Slower Internet, compressed video and fewer HD channels.

What I would not like to see is Verizon completely marginalize TWC to the point where they don’t provide robust competition. That would not be good for consumers, as Verizon is a far more predatory corporation than Time Warner!

A_C

justlou

09-10-08, 04:50 PM

What ‘move’ would you suggest? They’re limited by the constraints of Cable technology.

It’ll be interesting to see how this all shakes out over the next few years. I’d expect FIOS to be a higher priced service, offering higher Internet speeds and better HD quality & program choices. TWC will be cheaper, perhaps significantly, because you’ll be getting less - Slower Internet, compressed video and fewer HD channels.

What I would not like to see is Verizon completely marginalize TWC to the point where they don’t provide robust competition. That would not be good for consumers, as Verizon is a far more predatory corporation than Time Warner!

A_C

The "move" they better make is stop making promises about more HD, and get on with it. They could easily add some more HD channels anytime they want.
They added USA and CNBC during the Olympics. Verizon right now is cheaper and has better HD. If they had MSG-HD and MSNBC, I wouldn't even wait to switch.

Berk32

09-10-08, 05:24 PM

During the Olympics I noticed severely reduced image quality on CNN-HD. On some programs it was unwatchable. Coronas around people and heavy pixilation. There was even a phenomena I’d never seen before; on pans with high contrast backgrounds, the pixilation had a purple tinge to it. Yuk!

Only speculation of course, but since there were 3 temporary HD channels for sports :rolleyes:, and they obviously had to steal the bandwidth from somewhere, I assumed they decided to throw CNN to the lions.

A_C

As they were not on the same QAM channel - they don't seem to be related.

ANGEL 35

09-10-08, 06:44 PM

Agent_C

09-10-08, 07:17 PM

As they were not on the same QAM channel - they don't seem to be related.

I'm not in a position to offer a technical explanation, but the additional compression was unmistakable.

A_C

artifact

09-10-08, 09:03 PM

I'm waiting to January to make a final decision on whether to keep TWC, or add FiOS TV to my current FiOS Internet and phone service. It will come down to who comes through with the better HD content in the next 4 months. Yesterday, I picked up another digital converter box at the TWC location on Richmond Ave, in Staten Island. The place was super busy, and I had to wait a 1/2 hour. In that time frame, I'd say no less than 6 people came in to return cable equipment and cancel their service. I also observed the CSR's trying hard to talk every person that came in to pay a bill or that had billing questions, into signing up for their "3 Year Price Lock" plan. TWC better make a move. Things don't look good for them here on SI.

As I would like to ultimately go with an HD/Internet/Phone package, currently all TWC, and am extremely optimistic about FIOS HD, it may be crucial as to what the speed difference is between Road Runner and FIOS
for NYC Internet access. Has anyone been able to compare the two?

justlou

09-10-08, 10:12 PM

I've had both. In fact, years ago before I moved to Staten Island, I tested Road Runner for TWC before it made available to the public. I had it for several years, and it was fast and fairly reliable. I now have FiOS 20/5 service, and it much faster than anything I ever had with TWC. The only thing I don't like about FiOS is the terrible Actiontec router that they use.

daniels1994

09-11-08, 07:34 AM

Article from Bloomberg News on FIOS and Time Warner

Verizon Takes Cable Fight to Tishman Buildings With Chips, Goo

By Amy Thomson

Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- In a south Manhattan manhole last month, Verizon Communications Inc. workers coated an inch-wide fiber-optic line with goo to slide it past crowds of cable- television wires under the street.

If only it were so easy to slip past the competition.

Verizon, the phone company spending $23 billion to get into the U.S. TV market, is up against price discounts and advertising campaigns by rivals as it seeks a foothold in New York. The Verizon FiOS package of video, phone and Internet access debuted July 28 in the largest U.S. city, where the company is giving away HBO movies and throwing parties at apartment buildings to win customers.

``New York would be their biggest opportunity, so if that doesn't go well, it would be a bad sign,'' said Todd Rethemeier, a New York-based Soleil Securities analyst. He advises holding onto the stock and called success in fiber optics ``critical.''

The city of more than 8 million may be a bellwether for FiOS across the country, where the market for what's known as triple- play bundles may balloon 50 percent to more than $110 billion by 2012.

Time Warner Cable Inc. rules in Manhattan. Cablevision Systems Corp. dominates Brooklyn and the Bronx.

Verizon, the second-largest U.S. phone company after AT&T Inc., also is contending with an economic slowdown that is limiting consumer spending. That may stymie efforts to use service bundles to make up for its fixed-line business, which accounts for half of revenue and is shrinking amid cable competition.

Guinea Pig

FiOS offers Web-based TV that is streamed down fiber optic lines underground and into homes. The all-fiber system differs from what's offered by AT&T, which uses a mix of fiber and older copper wires.

The FiOS technology provides the fastest Internet speed in the U.S., Verizon says. Installation can take up to 6 hours.

``I feel a little guinea-pig-like,'' Jay Amato said as workers threaded wire from a hub on the floor below into a closet by the door of his 1,900-square-foot Tribeca apartment overlooking the Hudson River. After watching Internet TV for the first time, he said it was ``great.''

Verizon started FiOS in 2004 in Keller, Texas, outside Dallas, and is now breaking into cities, including St. Petersburg, Florida, and Providence, Rhode Island.

In New York, where the carrier is based, officials waited until suppliers such as Corning Inc. began selling fiber that can be bent around corners of buildings without losing signal or strength. Verizon then struck agreements to promote the service with landlords, including Tishman Speyer Properties LP, owner of the 11,232-unit Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village.

Fighting Cable

``In its own backyard, near the headquarters, it's extremely important to have its best product,'' said Wachovia Securities Inc. analyst Jennifer Fritzsche in Chicago, who advises investors to hold the shares and doesn't own any.

FiOS has 1.38 million TV subscribers, while Time Warner Cable has 13.3 million. By the end of 2010, FiOS will be available to 18 million U.S. households, according to Verizon. In New York's five boroughs, the company's plan is to install fiber optic lines to 3.1 million homes by 2014.

FiOS phone, Internet and TV costs $94.99 a month in Manhattan. For new customers, Time Warner Cable sells a three- year deal for its cheapest package, with slower Internet service, for $89.95 a month in the first year and $104.95 the next two.

About 70 percent of local FiOS subscribers switch from cable service, said Courtney Johnson, FiOS operations manager for Southern Manhattan.

Verizon fell 51 cents to $34.72 yesterday in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The stock has lost 20 percent this year.

Sharp Message

Verizon marketers spend three or four nights a week in apartment lobbies wooing customers with chips, soda and one-on- one demonstrations. They sign up 20 to 30 people a night, account manager Debbie Roth said. In boroughs outside Manhattan, where there are more single family homes, they throw neighborhood barbeques.

To fight back, Time Warner Cable is running ads telling customers ``Don't be Ed,'' a man whose yard was destroyed during a FiOS installation. Cablevision spokesman Jim Maiella said its ads highlight ``unique'' features such as free wireless Internet access and a caller ID that appears on the TV screen.

``We've sharpened our message a little bit to call them out directly,'' Time Warner Cable spokesman Alex Dudley said.

Slowdown

Last quarter, Verizon TV subscriptions rose 15 percent from the quarter before. A year earlier, second-quarter subscriptions were up 48 percent.

Verizon spokeswoman Bobbi Henson attributed slowing growth to promotions a quarter earlier. FiOS TV's penetration rates, the percentage of the covered population that subscribes to the service, have risen every quarter, she said.

The slowdown is partly because cable providers' ads are proving effective and also is a response to the slump in the housing market, Rethemeier said. It's easier to get consumers to switch service when they move, and fewer people are moving now.

``The cable companies have gotten more on the ball with marketing, marketing their triple plays in order to retain customers,'' Rethemeier said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Amy Thomson in New York at athomson6@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: September 11, 2008 00:01 EDT

Alzheimers

09-11-08, 03:32 PM

I wouldn't really even consider switching to Verizon FIOS if the 8300HDC TWC just gave me with wasn't a complete piece of crap.

The series manager is completely broken. Not buggy, not 'Meh' but BROKEN. You can't specify "First Runs, This Channel This Time" so I end up with four copies of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report every day. And they're all reruns this week anyway!

The system responds slower than getting up to change the channel manually would take. Stopping a FastForward or Rewind when you meant to? A thing of the past! Who would actually want to miss the last 15 seconds of whatever-came-before?

And just pressing Play leaves you holding your breath; you don't know if the system picked it up and is just slow or if it just decided to ignore you. If you dare hitting Play again though, and it *did* catch the first one, well the whole system FREEZES.

Add to this how badly the system interface deals with looking up shows via the guide, how certain On Demand channels just refused to work for the first two weeks I had the box, how it sometimes displays what you're recording in the guide, and how you have to press "PLAY" on a recorded show rather than Select -- because there's no option to PLAY when you press Select.

God, this thing is terrible. FIOS can't get here soon enough.

bigsid05

09-11-08, 03:36 PM

Alzheimers

09-11-08, 04:06 PM

I agree that this box is downright HORRIBLE. However, I will say that I find the fast-forward feature handy when skipping through commercials as I usually only recognize to hit play a few seconds after the show has started.

Except for the fact that they've totally forgotten about putting back the 15-minute skip feature...made skipping through the DNC/RNC conventions (7-hour recordings!) a mighty PAIN IN THE REAR!

lee7n

09-11-08, 04:38 PM

ANGEL 35

09-11-08, 06:41 PM

Make sure you have this firmware "Latest ODN version is 2.4.10_11". Tune to channel 996 to see what version you are at, perhaps it did not get the update yet. I have the same box and happy to say zero problems with it at this point. Everything is fast, it records first run and I have not booted it in some time. On-demand I had trouble too first week with the box and it was because the box did not have an ip address yet. Once it got the address on demand worked.

I also have the 8300HDC with no problems:cool:Every thing works.

klflote

09-11-08, 06:49 PM

My HDC8300C won't boot; it just display Alt in the front panel.

I'm assuming I need a replacement box, except all of a sudden the box started sending out the broadcast channels, and I can change channels to all the local broadcast ones. So maybe it is a signalling issue from TWC?

hansangb

09-11-08, 06:50 PM

Except for the fact that they've totally forgotten about putting back the 15-minute skip feature...made skipping through the DNC/RNC conventions (7-hour recordings!) a mighty PAIN IN THE REAR!

After fast forwarding to 4X (>>>>), you can hit the right arrow. That works on my 8300HD dVR.

ANGEL 35

09-11-08, 07:10 PM

klflote

09-11-08, 07:21 PM

Did your box download/ did you get Mystro blue screen with the countdown:(

No I didn't -- the Ait comes before that and it never gets to the Mystro blue screen.

After an enormous hold time, I got through to a techinician who says that it is a signal problem and not a box problem. (She also told me it is Ait, not Alt...). Because the analog channels sometimes come through the box and because it also then went into a state where it was sending a "unable to find signal" message to the screen convinced me that she was correct: the box is probably fine, and as soon as their repair people can fix the signal it will be okay.

Of course, the odd part about the signal is that the other digital (not HD) box and the cable modem are fine -- she said they might experience outages depending on how the signal degrades.

ANGEL 35

09-12-08, 10:31 AM

No I didn't -- the Ait comes before that and it never gets to the Mystro blue screen.

After an enormous hold time, I got through to a techinician who says that it is a signal problem and not a box problem. (She also told me it is Ait, not Alt...). Because the analog channels sometimes come through the box and because it also then went into a state where it was sending a "unable to find signal" message to the screen convinced me that she was correct: the box is probably fine, and as soon as their repair people can fix the signal it will be okay.

Of course, the odd part about the signal is that the other digital (not HD) box and the cable modem are fine -- she said they might experience outages depending on how the signal degrades.

I had the same problems. When the tech came he had to go to the roof to fix the box up there. It was the cable. It was rotting from water. After he fixed that,every thing worked.This happed last month. Every thing still working . :cool:I have 8300HDC box. No more problems,with the new cable.

JeffMoney

09-12-08, 11:46 AM

After fast forwarding to 4X (>>>>), you can hit the right arrow. That works on my 8300HD dVR.

yea i also have the HDC and no 15-min fast forward , dont understand why they dont have this option , also the sch. manual is also not in it, and also to tape a show on a certain day of the week.. i know its a software thing, but it does kinda sux..

klflote

09-12-08, 03:21 PM

yea i also have the HDC and no 15-min fast forward , dont understand why they dont have this option , also the sch. manual is also not in it, and also to tape a show on a certain day of the week.. i know its a software thing, but it does kinda sux..

Actually, the fact that it is a software thing makes it even worse -- it requires no big effort to have any of those things, since the software already exists. It's not like they need to engineer something new.

kevinqian

09-12-08, 03:45 PM

For 15min skips, hold down the fast forward button for 4-5 seconds does the trick.

JeffMoney

09-12-08, 03:51 PM

For 15min skips, hold down the fast forward button for 4-5 seconds does the trick.

thank you , it worked any other hidden stuff i should know..

AndyHDTV

09-14-08, 10:40 AM

For 15min skips, hold down the fast forward button for 4-5 seconds does the trick.

wow, thanks. I've been dealing with this problem for a year now. I thought this function just wasn't available on navigator.

AndyHDTV

09-15-08, 06:15 PM

Looks like RCN is going all digital in all of NYC by feb. 17th.

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080915005517&newsLang=en

BobbyCor

09-16-08, 08:02 AM

wow, thanks. I've been dealing with this problem for a year now. I thought this function just wasn't available on navigator.

I use the right directional arrow key (next to select) with Navigator after I hit the FF key and it also does the 15 minute jump.

lee7n

09-16-08, 10:05 AM

Looks like RCN is going all digital in all of NYC by feb. 17th.

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080915005517&newsLang=en

This is the reply I got when I asked where our 100 HD channels are. This does not sound very promising.

Thank you for your recent correspondence to Time Warner Cable.

We are systematically converting our advanced fiber optic network to an
"all digital" delivery system. This conversion will enable us to pass
along new HD channels to all customers. We have a complex inherited
architecture that allows us to bring HD channels to small groups as well
as system-wide.

We don?t have a specific timetable to share with you, but please be
assured that we are working as quickly as we can to get more free HD
channels to all areas.

Our goal is to provide quality HD programming to all customers.

Sincerely,

Time Warner Cable
Customer Support

AndyHDTV

09-16-08, 10:49 AM

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/hdtv/default.html

carl2680

09-16-08, 02:50 PM

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/hdtv/default.html

Yeah those 100HD channels are coming, but probably they will come in Feb of 2009 lol. I was told that that the problem is not switching analog box for digital for old customer, but the cable lines. It seems that they are having a lot of problems working in the old cable lines here in Manhattan. Staten Island, Brooklyn and Queens will have 100HD channels,by the end of the year, but not Manhattan. Honestly I am just wishing that they wire my building with FIOS, I am not concerned about TWC HD channels, because they are compressed and blurry.

Berk32

09-16-08, 03:08 PM

Yeah those 100HD channels are coming, but probably they will come in Feb of 2009 lol.

:confused:

I was told that that the problem is not switching analog box for digital for old customer, but the cable lines. It seems that they are having a lot of problems working in the old cable lines here in Manhattan. Staten Island, Brooklyn and Queens will have 100HD channels,by the end of the year, but not Manhattan. Honestly I am just wishing that they wire my building with FIOS, I am not concerned about TWC HD channels, because they are compressed and blurry.

FIOS is basically having the same problems in Manhattan as TWC in dealing with wiring.... (probably worse...)

The difference is that FiOS can activate service building-by-building. TWC seems to need to get the entire boro on the same level....

Alzheimers

09-16-08, 10:11 PM

Version 2.4.10_11 is what I have. It still records all shows on any channel for a series recording, both HD and SD and regardless of their first run or reruns.

It still takes 10 seconds to start a recording, there's still a long delay before responding to pressing the play button to stop ff/rw, the guide still is inaccessible if there are two recordings going on, and pressing select for a show that is being recorded still does not give a "play" option, so you have to know to hit PLAY on the remote to start the show from the beginning.

The 8300HDC with navigator is a piece of garbage.

AndyHDTV

09-17-08, 02:05 AM

Manhattan, Bklyn & Qns
699 Showcase-HD

Bklyn & Qns
465 Tennis Channel HD
467 CBS CS-HD
700 MOD-HD
793 ESPN U-HD

Agent_C

09-17-08, 08:32 AM

Manhattan, Bklyn & Qns
699 Showcase-HD

I've never heard of Showcase, but there's a number of FX and HBO series in their lineup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Showcase). If they show the unedited versions of these series, such as QZ, I'll be happy.

A_C

John Mason

09-17-08, 09:27 AM

... Honestly I am just wishing that they wire my building with FIOS, I am not concerned about TWC HD channels, because they are compressed and blurry.
Signed up, a few times the last few years, for FIOS in mid-town Manhattan, too. My building's still only wired for both RCN and TWC. Suspect, with all the FIOS raves, that it's delivering crisper HD than TWC locally. The delivery technique used by TWC, though, seems to have minimized the bad blocking artifacts plaguing many viewing HD around the country. Some viewers with access to both FIOS and other cable systems do report better SD/HD images from FIOS.

However, while most cable subscribers report superior images from HDNet and HDNetM, a few FIOS users who have measured HDNet's Saturday 10 am ET test pattern, using this technique (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424), have resolved only ~1440 lines maximum horizontal resolution, similar to a 1080p-display measurement of ~1335 lines from another NYC-TWC (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8865051#post8865051) subscriber--and apparently many cable systems. But a few on smaller U.S. cable system have reported nearly 1920X1080 from HDNet's resolution wedges, indicating the full format is being downlinked to head ends. -- John

EDIT: Here's a blurb about Albany TWC's Showcase HD On Demand (http://www.timewarnercable.com/albany/programming/hdtv/hd_showcase.html)

AndyHDTV

09-17-08, 09:30 AM

I've never heard of Showcase, but there's a number of FX and HBO series in their lineup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Showcase). If they show the unededed versions of these series, such as QZ, I'll be happy.

A_C

Your looking at the wrong showcase.
Showcase is a OnDemand Channel with free content.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/albany/programming/hdtv/hd_showcase.html

lee7n

09-17-08, 10:01 AM

MrRetroGamer

09-17-08, 10:17 AM

lpcustom123

09-17-08, 11:05 AM

Hi All,

Finally switched over to FIOS last night. Triple play with 3 HD boxes. No DVR for me. I live in Manhattan, Stuyvesant Town.

First the bad news.
The techs were 2 hours late. They had a window from 1-5pm and didn't get here till after 6pm. It took about 5+ hours for installation, and that's without laying down new cables in my apt. Tested all previous wirings and splitters for 3 displays and 3 computers and phone line.

Now the good news........... AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
The techs were very competent, knowledgeable, patient and thorough. They didn't finish till way after 11 pm but I never got the impression that they were dying to leave. Answered every question. 100 HD channels. No doubt a definite improvement over TWC's quality. Had to tweak settings on my plasma cause picture looked a bit darker than TWC. Virtually no lag when navigating the remote/interface. Faster internet speeds.
All that and I'm paying about $40 less with Verizon Triple Play than I did with TWC. After 90 days bill adds another $15 for movie package.

I would've paid more just to stick it up TWC's a$$. Hate those guys. Couldn't say they were much help in the 20 or so years I was with them.

Good luck to you guys,
Jose.

I had much of the same experience yesterday when Verizon techs came for the install. I had one HD-DVR box wired, one HD box wired, and an internet connection wired. The my apartment is new so all the internal cable wiring was done but the installation still took about 3-4 hours. But the people were thorough, knowledgeable and made sure it all worked fine. I'm very happy with the service. The 10meg/sec internet is very fast(fast enough for me) and I actually am getting 10 megs/sec which the tech verified in front of me. The picture quality on the HD channels is just great and there are lots of them...MUCH more than TWC was offering.

Overall it was a good decision although I'm sure once they get their foot in the door verizon prices will go up. But as of now...they are BY FAR the best game in town.

LL3HD

09-17-08, 12:14 PM

Agent_C

09-17-08, 02:03 PM

Take a look at the enclosure. It appears that the horizontal registration is a few pixels off, from the left sidebar to about the middle of the screen. It’s not the first time I’ve seen this and I only see it on Fox HD.

Anyone else?

A_C

Goatweed

09-17-08, 04:18 PM

The only thing I don't like about FiOS is the terrible Actiontec router that they use.As I Understand it, the actiontec is only REQUIRED to use for FiOS TV functionality, especially Multi-room DVR, but for the internet you can use your own choice of router - they will essentially make the actiontec a bridge and turn off internet routing, passing the signal through to your router. I'm planning on using this setup myself when they come to do the install.

scott_bernstein

09-17-08, 06:31 PM

I have not read back too far in this thread, but I still have a 8300HD DVR that I got about 2 1/2 years ago. It's still running passport software. I am to expect that one day TWC will send it an upgrade to the new Mystro Navigator or am I safe as long as I keep this box and it doesn't malfunction?

The only "valid" reason that you may want to "upgrade" to the HDC box is if you have TWC's phone service. If you have the phone service & the HDC, it will tell you on screen who's calling on your phone.

At some point they *may* push the new Navigator software to all of our older non-HDC boxes, but "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a good motto here.

Note that if TWC were to suddenly decide to use switched digital video to provide more HD channels for us, then we would need the upgrade. But apparently they are not going to go the "easy"(?) route to getting us more HD channels -- they are forcing us to wait until they shut off the analog signals (and for people to swap out their old analog boxes) for that. Who knows when they might actually complete this transition??? It was originally supposed to be at the end of the year, but that's clearly not happening.

Berk32

09-17-08, 07:17 PM

The only "valid" reason that you may want to "upgrade" to the HDC box is if you have TWC's phone service. If you have the phone service & the HDC, it will tell you on screen who's calling on your phone.

At some point they *may* push the new Navigator software to all of our older non-HDC boxes, but "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a good motto here.

Note that if TWC were to suddenly decide to use switched digital video to provide more HD channels for us, then we would need the upgrade. But apparently they are not going to go the "easy"(?) route to getting us more HD channels -- they are forcing us to wait until they shut off the analog signals (and for people to swap out their old analog boxes) for that. Who knows when they might actually complete this transition??? It was originally supposed to be at the end of the year, but that's clearly not happening.

SDV is definitely NOT an easy route - especially in Manhattan - it requires an even more significant infrastructure upgrade than an analog service termination.

scott_bernstein

09-17-08, 07:41 PM

SDV is definitely NOT an easy route - especially in Manhattan - it requires an even more significant infrastructure upgrade than an analog service termination.
Well, I meant "easy" as opposed to getting thousands (tens of thousands?) of subscribers who are still getting their analog signal thru an analog box to swap their converters. That's a pretty major undertaking.

SDV is something that TWC can handle all on their own w/o relying on any of their subscribers to do anything.

Alzheimers

09-17-08, 07:54 PM

Exchange it for a new one then, like I said I don't have these problems

I've exchanged it twice at the Queens Mall location, plus I've had a technician come out and check the lines and the box (spoiler alert: it was working "normal" and he gets a ton of these same complaints).

I'm glad you're not having these problems. But from the conversations I've had with the TWC tech support, the people at the outlet, and from the general consensus on the net, you're in the minority.

AndyHDTV

09-17-08, 08:02 PM

looks like TWC changed their mind. Doesn't look like we will be geting Showcasae OnDemand-HD in Manhattan. And Bklyn & Qns wont be getting espnu-hd, tennis-hd & cbs cs-hd.
But will be getting Showtime 2 in HD on channel 667.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/TWCPressReleaseDivDetail.ashx?PRID=2376&MarketID=50

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

Effective September 18th:

We will reposition Specials on Demand from ch. 1001 to 1009, Kids on Demand from ch. 1003 to 1047, Kids Preschool on Demand from ch. 1004 to 1048, Entertainment on Demand from ch. 1005 to 1012, Lifestyle on Demand from ch. 1006 to 1013, Cutting Edge on Demand from ch. 1007 to 1021. We will also launch The Africa Channel on ch. 87, Jewish Life TV on ch. 120, Filmy, an international premium service, on ch. 562, History en Español on ch. 838, and LATV on ch. 166 in Basic service requiring and viewable only with a digital converter.

In Brooklyn/Queens: we will launch Virtual Video Store on channels 1001, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005, and 1006. Virtual Video Store will only be available on the following set-top boxes: Samsung HD3050, Scientific-Atlanta 4250 HDC, and Scientific-Atlanta 8300 HDC. The launches of Virtual Video Store in Manhattan and Mount Vernon have been postponed.

We will also launch HD MOD onto ch. 700, HD Showcase on Demand on ch. 699, and MHD (720) will also be renamed Palladia. Toon Disney HD will move from ch. 787 (DTV) to 760(Standard). HD MOD and HD Showcase on Demand are viewable only on Samsung HD3050, Scientific-Atlanta 4250 HDC, and Scientific-Atlanta 8300 HDC set-top boxes.

In Manhattan and Brooklyn/Queens: CSPAN on ch. 147, CSPAN2 on ch. 148, and CSPAN 3 on ch. 149 will change from DTV to Basic service requiring and viewable only with a digital converter. CSPAN 2 will no longer be available on ch. 60. Toon Disney will be available in Standard Service ch. 60, moving from DTV ch. 108.

Berk32

09-17-08, 08:29 PM

LL3HD

09-17-08, 08:57 PM

Effective September 18th:

In Brooklyn/Queens: we will launch Virtual Video Store on channels 1001, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005, and 1006. Virtual Video Store will only be available on the following set-top boxes: Samsung HD3050, Scientific-Atlanta 4250 HDC, and Scientific-Atlanta 8300 HDC. The launches of Virtual Video Store in Manhattan and Mount Vernon have been postponed.

We will also launch HD MOD onto ch. 700, HD Showcase on Demand on ch. 699, and MHD (720) will also be renamed Palladia. HD MOD and HD Showcase on Demand are viewable only on Samsung HD3050, Scientific-Atlanta 4250 HDC, and Scientific-Atlanta 8300 HDC set-top boxes.

In Manhattan and Brooklyn/Queens: CSPAN on ch. 147, CSPAN2 on ch. 148, and CSPAN 3 on ch. 149 will change from DTV to Basic service requiring and viewable only with a digital converter. CSPAN 2 will no longer be available on ch. 60. Toon Disney will be available in Standard Service ch. 60, moving from DTV ch. 108.That’s funny :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:… so there you go-- a couple of reasons to have an HDC box.:rolleyes: Certainly not enough reason for me to run to a TW center to swap out -- but I guess I’ll have to learn more about these new on demand channels.

By the way, Palladia has replaced MHD for at least a week now, as far as I know-- and it is a fantastic music channel! The sound and picture quality are awesome. :cool:

Berk32

09-17-08, 09:05 PM

Here's the latest spreadsheet for Northern Manhattan...
(all the new random SD channels they are adding 'tomorrow' have been available for the last couple of days via diagnostic mode)

disafan

09-17-08, 09:09 PM

This HDC box thing is ridiculous. The software on the new boxes is the subject of multiple complaints, and I tried two years ago to get them to deliver to me a specific box, and couldn't. I'm not going through that again.

Berk32

09-17-08, 09:53 PM

SDV is something that TWC can handle all on their own w/o relying on any of their subscribers to do anything.

Except have many digital customers switch to the newer boxes.... (which it seems will be required eventually for everyone anyways... since the latest services to be added for the non-Manhattan boros will need them)

carl2680

09-17-08, 10:43 PM

To me I don't care if TWC decide to upgrade the cable lines for more HD channels. I got the great news today for Verizon techs guys that told me that they will start the deployment of FIOS in Januanry. My area code is 10027 near of Columbia Unv. They told me that they will start wiring the upper westside in January.

AndyHDTV

09-17-08, 11:04 PM

Here's the latest spreadsheet for Northern Manhattan...
(all the new random SD channels they are adding 'tomorrow' have been available for the last couple of days via diagnostic mode)

I guess analog CSPAN will be removed tomorrow. Since they say viewable on a digital converter only.

Berk32

09-17-08, 11:07 PM

I guess analog CSPAN will be removed tomorrow. Since they say viewable on a digital converter only.

I'll check in the morning... fix the spreadsheet if it actually happens...

HeffeMusic

09-18-08, 09:57 AM

Is this for Manhattan, or just Brooklyn, and queens?

We will also launch HD MOD onto ch. 700, HD Showcase on Demand on ch. 699, and MHD (720) will also be renamed Palladia. Toon Disney HD will move from ch. 787 (DTV) to 760(Standard). HD MOD and HD Showcase on Demand are viewable only on Samsung HD3050, Scientific-Atlanta 4250 HDC, and Scientific-Atlanta 8300 HDC set-top boxes.

AndyHDTV

09-18-08, 11:19 AM

ILW

09-18-08, 12:00 PM

To take advantage of the new "HD Showcase on Demand" channel in Bklyn (and finally be able to watch "Mad Men" in HD), I need to swap my 8300HD for an 8300HDC. Is the 8300HDC so problematic that I'd be ill-advised to do this?

OSUBuckly

09-18-08, 12:01 PM

The only one of those new channels I was looking forward to was Tennis HD, and that is only because they are getting the US Open in 2009. It kind of sucks that they are taking those channels away and not even replacing them with any new HD content.

JeffMoney

09-18-08, 12:07 PM

what happen to the tennis hd and college sports hd which was suppose to be added today and now i see its not listed, what a joke TWC is and when are we getting USAHD, SCIFI hd , all we get are bs hd channels ..

scott_bernstein

09-18-08, 12:28 PM

Except have many digital customers switch to the newer boxes.... (which it seems will be required eventually for everyone anyways... since the latest services to be added for the non-Manhattan boros will need them)
....not really, because all they have to do is flip a switch (or some similar action) and all of the 8300HD boxes will get the Navigator software delivered to them. It's been done in lots of other cities.

Berk32

09-18-08, 01:22 PM

OSUBuckly

09-18-08, 02:24 PM

espn2hd will have the us open in '09
Well that is good to know.

Now I can go back to complaining about not having USA HD and SciFi HD...

latinrage69

09-18-08, 04:28 PM

Berk32

09-18-08, 04:48 PM

i just checked out TWC's lineup for northern manhattan (10031) and it shows TMC HD on channel 674 (premuim). the channel is not yet on the guide nor is it yet active. i have no idea when it will launch.

It's an error... the other Boroughs have it (eventually all of the HD movie channels will be in the upper half of the 600s)

TWC's online lineup has been very unreliable over the last year or so (when they started having different channel lineups for each Borough)

ANGEL 35

09-18-08, 06:40 PM

It's an error... the other Boroughs have it (eventually all of the HD movie channels will be in the upper half of the 600s)

TWC's online lineup has been very unreliable over the last year or so (when they started having different channel lineups for each Borough)

Yea we know its always something ?????:eek::eek:

mikeM1

09-18-08, 07:12 PM

Well that is good to know.

Now I can go back to complaining about not having USA HD and SciFi HD...

i'll join you on that complaint. :mad:

jayans04

09-19-08, 01:08 AM

Does anyone know whats channels are available/unencrypted on QAM and which ones are HD? And is it QAM64 or QAM256 or something else?

scott_bernstein

09-19-08, 10:39 AM

Rumor from another thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1067879

If it goes away, can TWC really continue to charge us for the HD-XTra package when all it includes is HDNet/HDNet Movies????

Berk32

09-19-08, 11:18 AM

scott_bernstein

09-19-08, 11:37 AM

I would guess that it would be replaced on our system with something like MGM-HD.
That would be a GREAT addition to our system. Is it a premium (or semi-premium) service on other providers?

Berk32

09-19-08, 11:42 AM

That would be a GREAT addition to our system. Is it a premium (or semi-premium) service on other providers?

I believe its on the HDXtra Tier for those TWC systems that have it.

(also - the tier will also include the Sports Tier 'future' HD channels - Brooklyn/Queens/SI already have NHL Network HD - they were supposed to get TennisHD and CBS college SportsHD yesterday - those would only be available via HDXtra)

JeffMoney

09-19-08, 11:55 AM

i see twc also got sho2hd (667) but screen is still blank..

AndyHDTV

09-19-08, 10:00 PM

So how do you guys in Bklyn, Qns & S.I. like Showcase OnDemand-HD?

any interesting stuff on there?

Gooddog

09-19-08, 10:41 PM

Just noticed, in the Hudson Valley, the FM stations have been moved from the high 600's to the high 500's.

LL3HD

09-20-08, 09:55 AM

So how do you guys in Bklyn, Qns & S.I. like Showcase OnDemand-HD?

any interesting stuff on there?
Yes, I’m curious too. We’re probably going to see some confused Brooklyn Queens folks wondering why they don’t get these channels. As a reminder, you have to be using the newer but inferior HDC set top box.

kbuzz3

09-20-08, 10:05 AM

Two questions:

Is there really HD on demand as advertised in papers. I havent seen it with my SA box.
Will vios ever appear on the UES?

ILW

09-20-08, 11:00 AM

Here in Bklyn, I traded in my 8300HD yesterday for the 8300HDC, just so I could get HD Showcase On Demand and watch "Mad Men" in HD.

I'm still getting used to Mystro, which has pretty displays but is a bit slow and some significant inconveniences (no manual recording, inability to switch tuners without PIP). At first I had a problem of zooming on SD channels, but I solved this by changing the output mode to allow only 720p and 1080i.

Here are the categories of programs listed on the HD Showcase On Demand guide. There's usually only a few programs listed under each category. Interestingly, Showtime has a small presence here (episodes of "Californication"), but there are no HBO offerings.

A&E (Gene and Cleaner episodes)
AMC Mad Men
Election 08 (excerpts from Democratic Convention)
Fearnet (incl. "30 Days of Night" episodes and the movie "Devil's Rejects")
Food Network (6 episodes of random programs)
G4
Gemini Division
HDNET (Inside MMA, Bikini Destinations)
HGTV
History (Ice Road Truckers, Jurassic Fight Club)
MOJO Mix (I Bet You, Pressure: Italy)
MOJO Music (music videos)
Music Choice (music videos)
National Geographic (8 episodes of random programs plus a $0.47 PPV for something called "Better Being", the only PPV program I noticed anywhere on this channel)
News Specials (just one program on the "Travers Tradition" horse race!)
Showtime (only thing available is "Californication" episodes)
Speed Channel
Sundance (only things available: episodes of "Architecture School," an episode of "Live from Abbey Road, the movies "Capote, "Fido," and "Fierce People")
WE Bridezillas

AndyHDTV

09-20-08, 11:34 AM

A&E (Gene and Cleaner episodes)
AMC Mad Men
Election 08 (excerpts from Democratic Convention)
Fearnet (incl. "30 Days of Night" episodes and the movie "Devil's Rejects")
Food Network (6 episodes of random programs)
G4
Gemini Division
HDNET (Inside MMA, Bikini Destinations)
HGTV
History (Ice Road Truckers, Jurassic Fight Club)
MOJO Mix (I Bet You, Pressure: Italy)
MOJO Music (music videos)
Music Choice (music videos)
National Geographic (8 episodes of random programs plus a $0.47 PPV for something called "Better Being", the only PPV program I noticed anywhere on this channel)
News Specials (just one program on the "Travers Tradition" horse race!)
Showtime (only thing available is "Californication" episodes)
Speed Channel
Sundance (only things available: episodes of "Architecture School," an episode of "Live from Abbey Road, the movies "Capote, "Fido," and "Fierce People")
WE Bridezillas

thanks, I guess I can wait on that channel.

AndyHDTV

09-20-08, 11:37 AM

All 74 Rangers Games in HD on MSG HD and MSG+ HD, the rest will be on Versus HD and NBC4 HD

http://rangers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=382409&page=NewsPage&service=page

AndyHDTV

09-20-08, 11:51 AM

Two questions:

Is there really HD on demand as advertised in papers. I havent seen it with my SA box.
Will vios ever appear on the UES?

Yes there is, only in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.
Fios is in the UES now in various buildings, your building might get it in 1-5 years.

Berk32

09-20-08, 11:56 AM

All 74 Rangers Games in HD on MSG HD and MSG+ HD, the rest will be on Versus HD and NBC4 HD

http://rangers.nhl.com/team/app/?ser...ticleid=382409

working link

http://rangers.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=382409

I wonder how many games the Knicks are going to end up on MSG2....

Berk32

09-20-08, 12:37 PM

Just did a runthru of the 2 schedules (guess I found the 5 Rangers MSG+ games - Knicks will be on MSG2 a bunch):

11/12 - Rangers @ Devils 7pm; Knicks @ Memphis 8pm (dual rangers/devils broadcast?)
11/26 - Rangers @ TB 7pm; Knicks @ Detroit 8pm (both Islanders at home and Devils on road playing too)
12/3 - Pittsburgh @ Rangers 7pm; Knicks @ Cleveland 7pm (MSG+ available)
(both teams play at home on 12/7 - those days are always fun)
12/10 - Rangers @ Atlanta 7pm; Knicks @ Nets 7:30pm (Devils at home)
12/16 - Rangers @ Anaheim 10pm; Knicks @ Lakers 10:30pm (MSG+ available)
1/10 - Rangers @ Ottawa 7pm; Knicks @ Houston 8:30pm (Devils 10:30 - MSG+ available for Rangers)
1/16 - Rangers @ Chicago 8:30pm; Knicks @ Washington 7pm (Devils on road at 7pm)
1/28 - Rangers @ Pittsburgh 7:30pm; Knicks vs Atlanta 7:30pm (MSG+ available)
2/6 - Rangers @ Dallas 8:30pm; Knicks vs Boston 7:30pm (Devils on road 7:30) - Knicks 'probably' on ESPN
2/25 - Rangers @ Toronto 7:30pm; Knicks vs Orlando 7:30pm (Islanders on road at 7:30)
2/28 - Rangers vs Colorado 7:00pm; Knicks @ Miami 7:30pm (Islanders @ home at 7pm)
3/8 - Rangers vs Boston TBD (possible NBC); Knicks @ NJ 6pm (Islanders @ home TBD- also possible NBC)
3/15 - Rangers vs Philly TBD (possible NBC); Knicks @ Cleveland 6pm (Islanders on road TBD- also possible NBC)
3/21 - Rangers vs Buffalo 7pm; Knicks @ Orlando 7pm (Islanders on road 7pm)
3/30 - Rangers/Devils on Versus; Knicks @ Utah 9pm (only time versus helps...)
4/4 - Rangers @ Boston 1pm; Knicks vs Toronto 1pm (MSG+ available)
4/7 - Rangers vs Montreal 7pm; Knicks @ Chicago 8:30pm (Devils at home 7pm, Islanders on road)
4/12 - Rangers @ Philly TBD (possible NBC - 5pm?); Knicks @ Miami 6pm (Islanders @ home TBD- also possible NBC)

AndyHDTV

09-20-08, 12:54 PM

I wonder how many games the Knicks are going to end up on MSG2....

I don't know, but if they decide to favor knicks games over rangers games, i'm gonna lose it.

put the knicks on overflow channels!

AndyHDTV

09-21-08, 12:48 PM

Bklyn, Qns & S.I. - 59 HD channels
Man. – 32 HD channels

350 PPV-HD
666 Showtime-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
667 Showtime 2-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
674 TMC-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
676 Starz-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
677 Starz Edge-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
678 Starz Kids & Family-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
681 Starz Comedy-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
699 Showcase OnDemand-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
700 Movies OnDemand-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
701 NY1-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
702 CBS2-HD
703 TNT-HD
704 NBC4-HD
705 FOX5-HD
707 ABC7-HD
708 TBS-HD
709 MY9-HD
710 CNN-HD
711 CW11-HD
713 PBS13-HD
720 Palladia (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
726 SportsNet New York-HD
727 MSG-HD
728 ESPN-HD
729 ESPN2-HD
734 Universal-HD
738 ABC Family-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
740 History Channel HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
743 Fox Business News HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
744 Fox News HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
746 A&E-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
748 MSG+-HD
749 Disney-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
750 Food Network-HD
752 The Learning Channel-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
753 YES-HD
755 Science Channel-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
760 Toon Disney-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
762 Lifetime Movies-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
763 Biography-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
764 HGTV-HD
765 National Geographic-HD
766 Discovery-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
767 HD Theater
768 Planet Green-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
772 Weather Channel-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
776 CINEMAX-HD
777 STARZ-HD
778 TMC-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
779 SHOWTIME-HD
780 HBO-HD
784 Hallmark Movie Channel-HD
786 Animal Planet-HD
788 Travel Channel HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
791 GAME-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
792 ESPNews-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
794 Versus-HD
795 NHL-HD (in Bklyn, Qns & S.I.)
796 MOJO-HD
797 HDNet Movies
798 HDNet

ANGEL 35

09-21-08, 01:42 PM