All the more reason for them to continue to use Passport. :p

At precisely 7:15 PM this evening, I returned home, unplugged my HDMI cable from the cable box just to be safe, and then plugged in my cable box for the first time since 1:00 AM last night.

Judging solely by the reactions on the display (since I can't see anything else), nothing has changed. It says Boot, then goes to dancing lines, then goes to four solid lines, then goes to the correct time for a minute or two, then gibberish, then back to Boot, and this happens over and over and over again. I find it interesting that it manages to get the correct time out of Time Warner, but that's it.

I have noticed some minor changes, though. Compared to what was happening yesterday, the lines are not dancing for as long as they previously were, and the correct time is staying on for longer before it reboots. In fact, it seems to be keeping the time longer as I sit here. The time stayed on for three minutes just now, before going to gibberish and then Boot. Now I have dancing lines. Now they're solid. Lines danced for maybe ten seconds.

Satch Man suggested I give it 30 minutes. I'm going to leave it alone until maybe 8:30 PM, then plug the HDMI cable back in see what comes up on the screen.

You should not unplug it, when my HDC got an update it rebooted like 10 times before it stopped getting updates. Leave it plugged in for an entire day, it may start working after a few hours

You should not unplug it, when my HDC got an update it rebooted like 10 times before it stopped getting updates. Leave it plugged in for an entire day, it may start working after a few hours

Lee,

The reason why I recommended unplugging the box overnight was to allow any bad data that might have interfered with the download an opportunity to clear out. A few guys had these reboot looping problems and this took care of it.

At this point, it won't hurt to leave the box plugged in and something might start working for GI in a few hours. I also suggested when GI said that he has multiple signals split (or so it appears) going into the box. Navigator needs a strong signal from the head end, and a strong response from the customers' end to boot up. When first downloaded it can take about 30 minutes or the box may be stuck. What we don't know is this the result of a bad box or something with those signal splitters?

Baring some major updates, the normal boot time for an MDN Navigator boot is about 2-3 minutes. It's only that first time 30 minute install or major updates where it may take up to 30 minutes.

GI let us know what happens,

Jack

Thanks Larry!

IT'S WORKING!!! MY BOX IS WORKING!!!

As I mentioned before, I plugged it in at 7:15 PM without the HDMI plugged in. It was still doing its thing between Boot and ----, as I logged in the Navigator thread, but I noticed that the time of day was sticking around for longer than it had been.

Somewhere around 8:15 PM, I noticed that the resolution output display, which had been showing 480i during this whole process, was now showing 1080i. OMG, I thought to myself. For that to happen, it must've carried forward my previous settings!

I waited a few more minutes, and the time remained. No changes. I took a deep breath, plugged my HDMI cable in, and turned the box on.

There was NY1.

After much crying and a sudden stomach ache of relief, I started exploring. My settings all carried over. My recordings are all there, and my series recordings (I have only one) was there as well. The only oddity is that my few recordings of the 15-min Robot Chicken didn't carry over properly. They all ended up at the very end of my show list, they all came up as Unknown 12/31, Adult, with all sorts of sexual descriptors. LOL I guess this has to do with Navigator's different time increments? They were still perfectly watchable, so I watched them and deleted them. Here's some pictures of the bizarreness:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9468/0715092118.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9486/downsized0715092119.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7461/0715092120.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6673/0715092121.jpg

Actually, one or two Robot Chicken recordings came through normal. Whatever.

I'm experiencing audio drop-outs at the moment. I suppose I'll need to do a reboot, but now I'm afraid to. lol

Can anyone get their "start over" feature to work? I keep getting an error:
"We were unable to process your purchase of The Transporter.. Please call customer service at 718 3580900" Any help is appreciated. I have the new navigator upgrade to my SA8300HD box from this week.

I have the same problem. I called the rep said she sent the problem to the technical department, if not fixed in 48 hours to call back so they could send a technician. That wasn't help, but just wanted to say I have the same problem.

Hey G1,

Thanks for the screen shots above!

Looks like after the Navigator transition was completed, you lost some of the Robot Chicken, but gained some porn! hahahaha!

Jack

My opinion of MDN thus far: Two thumbs way up.

MDN is operating much faster than ODN on the living room 3050. Honestly, I think it's slightly faster than Passport was.

Things I'm thus far liking better with Navigator:

-The DVR show listing can be sorted by date recorded OR in alphabetical order. ABC order will be REALLY useful when I'm trying to do a marathon viewing of a particular show, I can bring them all up in a row without having to look for them. WIN.

-Caller ID on TV. Cheap thrill, as I have my phone right next to me on the desk, but what the hell. On MDN, the little phone graphic is animated, while on ODN it isn't.

-Navigator's guide shows ALL programs, regardless of their start time. If a show was starting at 4:00 AM, and another at 4:15 AM, Passport would completely ignore the show at 4:15 AM.

-The picture does look a bit better.

-Black bars on the sides instead of gray.

-While viewing a show, and pressing Info twice to bring up full show info, the banner displays all the info without changing the borders of the show. On Passport, the show would get scrunched in when displaying full show info.

-DVR list shows me the hard drive capacity. I've waited a long time for this. I'm at 92%. LOL

-On Demand menus look better, and load faster.

-Start Over. I can't believe it, but I actually used it on the first night. I was flipping through the guide and saw Star Trek: Voyager was on Spike TV. It was already half over, and the Start Over option popped up, so I tried it. It's quite useful in these situations.

Things I like less with Navigator:

-The program descriptions are laid out differently from both Passport AND ODN. I liked the old descriptions better.

-Program descriptions don't mention if the show is in HD, yet you can search for HD shows. Weird.

-The font on the program guide titles is a little too large. Shows with longer titles don't fit in the boxes, and you end up with just a few letters for some shows and some dots.

-MDN doesn't have nearest tune. Entering an incorrect channel yields...nothing. At least on Passport, entering an incorrect number yielded question marks. Also to nitpick, after entering the first digit of a channel, Passport and ODN put in dashes as if waiting for more numbers to be input. Passport of course defaulted to three digits, but would take a fourth if entered, but MDN and ODN expect four digits, so if you only enter three digits, like "722", it waits a little bit for a fourth number in case you're slow before it tunes that channel. Entering 0722 tunes the channel immediately. On MDN, it gives no dashes, so there's no clue that you should enter all four digits, and of course, produces no question marks when entering an incorrect channel. Why no nearest tune?

-Confusing audio options. Narrow? Normal? Audio Output Variable? What?

-Each time you enter a menu or DVR show listing, the default "location" of the yellow selection bar is a few spaces down the list. This is rather annoying. I'd rather it start up top! I'm used to Passport taking me straight to the last show I was pointed at.

Overall, I'm very happy with what I have right now. I've taken tons of pictures over the past two days. I don't want to overflow the thread with too many pictures, so I'll just put up a few per page.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8317/transformerskittensandpm.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/528/navigator109.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5913/transformerskittensandp.jpg

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/62/navigator001.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5913/transformerskittensandp.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3759/navigator002.jpg

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5913/transformerskittensandp.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2809/navigator003.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4182/transformerskittensandpw.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2778/navigator025.jpg

Passport scrunch:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4182/transformerskittensandpw.jpg

No scrunch:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6395/navigator067.jpg

Well, I suppose I'll call Time Warner and cancel my service appointment. :D

Minor nitpick, but does anyone know if I can turn off the resolution indicator lights right above where it displays the time? I liked it before when it would only show the time when the box was off; the little "720p" above it keeps making me think the box is still on.

This bugs me too, but honestly the box uses the same amount of power in whatever state it is in anyway, "on" or "off", so it doesn't really matter. I put a device on it that measures the power consumption, and it was the same no matter what.

My annoyance now has to do with this "Start over" feature, I wasn't able to fast forward a show that I started over? When I pressed fast forward, I got an icon like a circle with a slash through it, like you can't so that. Is this normal?

We've had Starz onDemand (SD) for a few months.

Really??? Sheesh, completely missed it... never even read any announcements and I do frequently check the Channel Changes page...

This bugs me too, but honestly the box uses the same amount of power in whatever state it is in anyway, "on" or "off", so it doesn't really matter. I put a device on it that measures the power consumption, and it was the same no matter what.That's good to know. But my main issue with wanting to make sure the box is off when it's supposed to be (other than, of course, being F-ing crazy) is so my universal remote doesn't get confused. But whatever. Somehow, I will cope.

Really??? Sheesh, completely missed it... never even read any announcements and I do frequently check the Channel Changes page...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15912966#post15912966

Announced in February - added March 25th

My annoyance now has to do with this "Start over" feature, I wasn't able to fast forward a show that I started over? When I pressed fast forward, I got an icon like a circle with a slash through it, like you can't so that. Is this normal?

My understanding is that this is totally intentional. Apparently a concession to the content provider that people will HAVE to watch the commercials.

Has anyone noticed the change in the navigation features for playback, specifically the fast forward and rewind?

For starters - the old easter egg, 'skip 15 minutes' if pressing right or left while fast forwarding or rewinding is gone. I watch a lot of sports, plenty of times for a second or third time, and losing this feature is going to hurt.

The other thing is there used to be 4 speeds in the fast forward or rewind, and now there are only 3. And the 3rd speed seems a bit slower than the old 3rd speed (of course, if they're exactly 3x playback then I'm imaging things). That's also going to suck for longer shows/sports.

Anyone find workarounds for the skipping?

My understanding is that this is totally intentional. Apparently a concession to the content provider that people will HAVE to watch the commercials.

So is "Start Over" a different feature than just using the recorded buffer? I have not played with this much, but is my live recorded buffer going to behave differently now?

My understanding is that this is totally intentional. Apparently a concession to the content provider that people will HAVE to watch the commercials.

So is "Start Over" a different feature than just using the recorded buffer? I have not played with this much, but is my live recorded buffer going to behave differently now?

EDIT: After wading through the TWCNYC site, it seems to me that "Start Over" is like a video-on-demand type feature with the exception that FF specifically DOES NOT WORK. This may be available on certain channels only.

So is "Start Over" a different feature than just using the recorded buffer? I have not played with this much, but is my live recorded buffer going to behave differently now?

Absolutely, "Start Over" is completely different than the buffer. It's for those cases where the show was NOT buffered.

My understanding is you now get one live buffer, but not two (i.e. one for each tuner).

Has anyone noticed the change in the navigation features for playback, specifically the fast forward and rewind?

For starters - the old easter egg, 'skip 15 minutes' if pressing right or left while fast forwarding or rewinding is gone. I watch a lot of sports, plenty of times for a second or third time, and losing this feature is going to hurt.

The other thing is there used to be 4 speeds in the fast forward or rewind, and now there are only 3. And the 3rd speed seems a bit slower than the old 3rd speed (of course, if they're exactly 3x playback then I'm imaging things). That's also going to suck for longer shows/sports.

Anyone find workarounds for the skipping?Fast forwarding in general is definitely slower. As for the much-missed 15-minute skip, you can get a 10-minute skip if you hold down the FF button. I haven't tried it myself, but my girlfriend says she got it to work by holding down the FF button for an annoyingly long time.

My understanding is you now get one live buffer, but not two (i.e. one for each tuner).No, I discovered two live buffers. Not sure how long the buffers go, haven’t played around with them. As I mentioned before, it’s quirky. If you have the PIP on screen, and change channels, then the main tuner, the big screen is the one that is changing and the buffer that is lost. If you do not have the PIP on screen, then the tuner that you don’t see is the one changing and the buffer that is lost.

Mystro on the SA3250HD killed IEEE1394/Firewire. Which I was using.

My opinion of MDN thus far: Two thumbs way up.

MDN is operating much faster than ODN on the living room 3050. Honestly, I think it's slightly faster than Passport was.

Things I'm thus far liking better with Navigator:

-The DVR show listing can be sorted by date recorded OR in alphabetical order. ABC order will be REALLY useful when I'm trying to do a marathon viewing of a particular show, I can bring them all up in a row without having to look for them. WIN.

-Caller ID on TV. Cheap thrill, as I have my phone right next to me on the desk, but what the hell. On MDN, the little phone graphic is animated, while on ODN it isn't.

-Navigator's guide shows ALL programs, regardless of their start time. If a show was starting at 4:00 AM, and another at 4:15 AM, Passport would completely ignore the show at 4:15 AM.

-The picture does look a bit better.

-Black bars on the sides instead of gray.

-While viewing a show, and pressing Info twice to bring up full show info, the banner displays all the info without changing the borders of the show. On Passport, the show would get scrunched in when displaying full show info.

-DVR list shows me the hard drive capacity. I've waited a long time for this. I'm at 92%. LOL

-On Demand menus look better, and load faster.

-Start Over. I can't believe it, but I actually used it on the first night. I was flipping through the guide and saw Star Trek: Voyager was on Spike TV. It was already half over, and the Start Over option popped up, so I tried it. It's quite useful in these situations.

Things I like less with Navigator:

-The program descriptions are laid out differently from both Passport AND ODN. I liked the old descriptions better.

-Program descriptions don't mention if the show is in HD, yet you can search for HD shows. Weird.

-The font on the program guide titles is a little too large. Shows with longer titles don't fit in the boxes, and you end up with just a few letters for some shows and some dots.

-MDN doesn't have nearest tune. Entering an incorrect channel yields...nothing. At least on Passport, entering an incorrect number yielded question marks. Also to nitpick, after entering the first digit of a channel, Passport and ODN put in dashes as if waiting for more numbers to be input. Passport of course defaulted to three digits, but would take a fourth if entered, but MDN and ODN expect four digits, so if you only enter three digits, like "722", it waits a little bit for a fourth number in case you're slow before it tunes that channel. Entering 0722 tunes the channel immediately. On MDN, it gives no dashes, so there's no clue that you should enter all four digits, and of course, produces no question marks when entering an incorrect channel. Why no nearest tune?

-Confusing audio options. Narrow? Normal? Audio Output Variable? What?

-Each time you enter a menu or DVR show listing, the default "location" of the yellow selection bar is a few spaces down the list. This is rather annoying. I'd rather it start up top! I'm used to Passport taking me straight to the last show I was pointed at.

Overall, I'm very happy with what I have right now. I've taken tons of pictures over the past two days. I don't want to overflow the thread with too many pictures, so I'll just put up a few per page.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8317/transformerskittensandpm.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/528/navigator109.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5913/transformerskittensandp.jpg

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/62/navigator001.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5913/transformerskittensandp.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3759/navigator002.jpg

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5913/transformerskittensandp.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2809/navigator003.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4182/transformerskittensandpw.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2778/navigator025.jpg

Passport scrunch:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4182/transformerskittensandpw.jpg

No scrunch:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6395/navigator067.jpg

Well, I suppose I'll call Time Warner and cancel my service appointment. :D

Great pics G1!

Yea, if you call, make sure you get credit for at least a week because of Navigator being out.

Jack

Those navigator pics are so tempting!!! ....hopefully time warner central ny will come thru soon!!!!!:( heck the guide for passport looks like gold to me at this stage.

I just traded one of my Explorer 8300HDC, for a Samsung 3090 from Queens Center Mall. No pre-appointment...just showed up and asked to exchange STB.
The Sammy has a LAN port. Does anyone know if this port is live and usable for Internet connectivity or does it have to be enabled by TWC? I have Internet using a cable modem in another room, but would be nice to have internet near the new Samsung STB.
Thanks in advance

The Ethernet port is inactive. It can be used for Ethernet I/F or for networking.

do they ask for drivers license at time warner centers? my drivers license address does not match my home where i have time warner cable.


I just traded one of my Explorer 8300HDC, for a Samsung 3090 from Queens Center Mall. No pre-appointment...just showed up and asked to exchange STB.
The Sammy has a LAN port. Does anyone know if this port is live and usable for Internet connectivity or does it have to be enabled by TWC? I have Internet using a cable modem in another room, but would be nice to have internet near the new Samsung STB.
Thanks in advance

do they ask for drivers license at time warner centers? my drivers license address does not match my home where i have time warner cable.

No, they pull up the account by the old boxes serial number. As long as you have the subscriber information you should be good (first & last name & address).

I just traded one of my Explorer 8300HDC, for a Samsung 3090 from Queens Center Mall. No pre-appointment...just showed up and asked to exchange STB.
The Sammy has a LAN port. Does anyone know if this port is live and usable for Internet connectivity or does it have to be enabled by TWC? I have Internet using a cable modem in another room, but would be nice to have internet near the new Samsung STB.
Thanks in advance

any chance you can take some pics of the guide and pip windows?

No, they pull up the account by the old boxes serial number. As long as you have the subscriber information you should be good (first & last name & address).

hmmm. in brooklyn i dont remember then asking any question or asking for ids. just game them the old stb and asked for the hdc. i signed for it, but thats it.

hmmm. in brooklyn i dont remember then asking any question or asking for ids. just game them the old stb and asked for the hdc. i signed for it, but thats it.

In Queens they ask to verify the billing name and address.

Manhattan, Brooklyn/Queens and Mount Vernon

July 17, 2009



Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers and broadcasters to carry their services and stations routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, but in order to comply with applicable regulations, we must inform you when an agreement is about to expire. The following agreements are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services/stations in the near future:



AAJ, BBC on Demand, Chinese Channel, Chinese Cinema, CV Network, E!, Fuel TV, Great American Country (GAC), Game Show Network, HITN, Lifetime, NBA TV, ShopNBC, Style, Supercanal, The Arabic Channel, RTVi, RAI, NGTV, TV Guide, TV Japan, TV Polonia, Weather Channel, and WPIX.



In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:



The previously announced launch of UNTV on ch. 167 on July 22, 2009 will now launch on ch. 150.

On or about August 19, 2009 WLIW will change from a basic service to a service available to basic customers with digital cable-compatible equipment, such as a digital converter or a digital television (or other device) that includes a QAM tuner. This service will remain on ch. 21 in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens and on ch. 12 in Mt. Vernon.



On or about August 19, 2009 in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens we will launch the following new channels: World (PBS Service) on ch. 164, Create (PBS Service) on ch. 169, Big Ten HD On Demand on ch. 471, Outdoor Channel HD on ch. 480, Investigation Discovery HD on ch. 723, Headline News HD on ch. 758, Lifetime HD on ch. 762, TCM HD on ch. 782 and Smithsonian HD On Demand on ch. 794. On that date we will also make the following changes: CNN will move from ch. 10 to ch. 78, Lifetime from 12 to 62, Lifetime Movie Network from 62 to 80, Cartoon Network from 22 to 61, TruTV from 23 to 79, FX from 37 to 10, BET from 42 to 37, Oxygen from 61 to 12, Discovery Kids from 110 to 22, Investigation Discovery from 113 to 23, MUN2 from 126 to 42, CNN HD from 710 to 778, Cartoon Network HD from 722 to 761, FX HD from 737 to 710, Lifetime Movie Network HD from 762 to 780, Golf HD from 779 to 482, Smithsonian HD from ch. 789 to 795, VS HD from 794 to 481 and NHL Network HD from 795 to 468.



On or about August 19, 2009 in Brooklyn and Queens we will move TMC HD from chs. 674 and 778 to ch. 674.



On or about August 19, 2009 in Mt. Vernon we will launch the following new channels: World (PBS Service) on ch. 164, Create (PBS Service) on ch. 169, Big Ten HD On Demand on ch. 471, Headline News HD on ch. 732, Investigation Discovery HD on ch. 771, Lifetime HD on ch. 743, TCM HD on ch. 782 and Smithsonian HD On Demand on ch. 794. On that date we will also make the following changes: Smithsonian HD will move from ch. 789 to ch. 795, VS HD from 794 to 481 and NHL Network HD from 795 to 468.

STILL WAITING FOR SPIKE HD TWC SUX

Manhattan, Brooklyn/Queens and Mount Vernon

The following changes are planned:

On or about August 19, 2009 in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens we will launch ... TCM HD on ch. 782 :cool: Thanks for the info Jeff.

TCM HD is the biggest deal channel launch I can remember in a long time. YAY!

Uggghh why are they suddenly shifting channels around? I'm too accustomed to Cartoon Network being on 22.

I had two 8300HDs of which the update seemed to brick one of them (constant rebooting for 48 hrs), so I swapped one of them for the Samsung 3090. The update took fine on my 8300HD and frankly - my impression is that the 8300HD seems to run quicker and more smoothly - which is contrary to what most of you all are saying. So it makes me wonder if my 3090 has issues.

It's especially noticeable in the On Demand listings. When I go to one of the On Demand channels on the 3090, it says something like loading list and tells me to wait, whereas on my 8300HD, the list of On Demand programming just comes right up. It seems like that on each On Deamnd channel. Is that normal on the 3090?

Other than that on the 3090, I sometimes lose audio when I change to a HD channel and have to switch back to a SD and back to the HD channel to get it back.

But the menus fading in and out on the 8300HD - it just made it appear that it was smoother and quicker. It might be all in my head, though.

Uggghh why are they suddenly shifting channels around? I'm too accustomed to Cartoon Network being on 22.

channel placement = contracts and $$.

now that TWC is separate from Time Warner, looks like some of the Time Warner networks (CNN, Cartoon Network) are losing their "premium" locations. (I wonder if TNT and TBS are next)

channel placement = contracts and $$.

now that TWC is separate from Time Warner, looks like some of the Time Warner networks (CNN, Cartoon Network) are losing their "premium" locations. (I wonder if TNT and TBS are next)

Well I can understand that they are moving Cartoon Network to 761 right next to Disney XD HD but the outright burial of CNN and CNN HD is the one that shocks me.

The other thing that shocks me is the moving of VS to the HD digital sports channels. I would understand it move if they moved it into the 690s near Comcast-owned G4 and Style but 480s will not get the same viewer pop as it in the 790s or even 690s

Well I can understand that they are moving Cartoon Network to 761 right next to Disney XD HD but the outright burial of CNN and CNN HD is the one that shocks me.

The other thing that shocks me is the moving of VS to the HD digital sports channels. I would understand it move if they moved it into the 690s near Comcast-owned G4 and Style but 480s will not get the same viewer pop as it in the 790s or even 690s

-FX is paying $$ to get the premium ch 10 spot i guess. (and Oxygen and Lifetime are basically being swapped - Oxygen is joining its NBC-Universal brothers in the teens)

-Yeah, Versus and Golf belong in the 690s.... They really shouldn't be in the 480s as long as they aren't in the same package as the other channels...

If that is the case, I wonder if Discovery Communications paid off for 22 & 23 since it would seem better to put Discovery Kids to 70 and Investigation Discovery 69 (moving Galavision and C-SPAN) so that it would be next to the other Discovery Channels. In my case, I would move Discovery Health to 71 moving the OTB channel so that when OWN starts, they can get 771 (which might happen anyway) as well as the other two HD channels lineup with their sister Discovery Channels.

where are the VIacom Channels? I guess TWC doesn't want to give Viacom some cash in these bad economic times.

where are the VIacom Channels? I guess TWC doesn't want to give Viacom some cash in these bad economic times.

Viacom questions probably belong in the national thread... our local division cant do anything until they get a national carriage deal...

shame....

It seems that one of my 8300hds will not take the update and I will probably loose everything on my external drive. The other one works great. TWC gave me an appointment on Tuesday and a free month of HBO and Showtime. Should I get the new samsung box or the 8300hdc? The samsung also seems to have issues. Now I have to figure out how to reformat my dvr expander. Bummer!

I had two 8300HDs of which the update seemed to brick one of them (constant rebooting for 48 hrs), so I swapped one of them for the Samsung 3090. The update took fine on my 8300HD and frankly - my impression is that the 8300HD seems to run quicker and more smoothly - which is contrary to what most of you all are saying. So it makes me wonder if my 3090 has issues.

It's especially noticeable in the On Demand listings. When I go to one of the On Demand channels on the 3090, it says something like loading list and tells me to wait, whereas on my 8300HD, the list of On Demand programming just comes right up. It seems like that on each On Deamnd channel. Is that normal on the 3090?

Other than that on the 3090, I sometimes lose audio when I change to a HD channel and have to switch back to a SD and back to the HD channel to get it back.

But the menus fading in and out on the 8300HD - it just made it appear that it was smoother and quicker. It might be all in my head, though.

Have you rebooted the Samsung 3090 to see if that resolves the issues?

Jack

It seems that one of my 8300hds will not take the update and I will probably loose everything on my external drive. The other one works great. TWC gave me an appointment on Tuesday and a free month of HBO and Showtime. Should I get the new samsung box or the 8300hdc? The samsung also seems to have issues. Now I have to figure out how to reformat my dvr expander. Bummer!

If the Samsungs in your area still have issues, I'd get an 8300HDC. However, if you get a Samsung you could do a compare and contrast with the 8300 box that works well.

Is the box that works well MDN (8300HD) or ODN (8300HDC?)

Jack

I have my boxes set to record new Yankee Games on YesHD. It recorded Friday's game but won't record any more. When you go to the guide listing for today's game, It doesn't offer a record series option. Very annoyed.

If the Samsungs in your area still have issues, I'd get an 8300HDC. However, if you get a Samsung you could do a compare and contrast with the 8300 box that works well.

Is the box that works well MDN (8300HD) or ODN (8300HDC?)

Jack

They are both MDN and the box that took the update is working very well. I may just go and swap the box but keep hoping that the update will magically work eventually. Any tricks to help the update? Had it plugged in for 24 hrs then unplugged for 12 hours. Should I disconnect the dvr expander and see if that helps? Really don't want to lose external recordings so have hesitated to do that.

Thanks

Does anyone know if the SA-4250HD has an event timer? The new Samsung 3050 doesn't, and I hate to give up that functionality. Right now I have a Pioneer 3510 which I love. But I'm having problems and they want to switch boxes on me. I honestly don't even think it's the box at all.

They are both MDN and the box that took the update is working very well. I may just go and swap the box but keep hoping that the update will magically work eventually. Any tricks to help the update? Had it plugged in for 24 hrs then unplugged for 12 hours. Should I disconnect the dvr expander and see if that helps? Really don't want to lose external recordings so have hesitated to do that.

Thanks

Maybe something is not being initialized with the DVR Expander Drive, unplug that and the box and see if that helps, but this time, only unplug the box for a few minutes. You might try that.

A user on the forum also had his Navigator Update stuck in a reboot loop. He did not have an extended drive, but unplugged his HDMI cable from the box and also unplugged the box for 16 hours. When he reconnected everything and booted back up, after an hour, the update was installed, and all his stuff was saved.

That is weird that the HDMI cable would be an issue, because if it was you would think that everyone with HDMI would have this problem, and that has not been the case. I am just saying the steps that he did that solved the problem. However, if you unplug the drive expander AND the HDMI cable, than wait several minutes, at least the system will be able to "start fresh." Note that the user above did not have an External Drive, but I think you may have to disconnect that because it is not working with the change over. The makes and models of the expander drives make a difference and are really a crap-shoot. A normal first time Navigator download should take about 20 minutes to an hour. (average is about 30 minutes.) A normal box reboot once Navigator is on the box should take between 2-5 minutes. (ODN takes a little longer than MDN.) Note that these times are average, and ASSUME an "unstuck" box.

You would only have to be concerned about a possible 20 minutes to a 1- hour upgrade if they were doing some major stuff to the IPG. For now:


Turn off the box and unplug it
Turn off the DVR Expander and unplug it.
Unplug the HDMI cable (if you want) it won't hurt.
Wait about 15 minutes.
Plug the HDMI cable back in if disconnected.
Plug the box back in.
Wait about 30 seconds for any boot action to occur, if boot up does occur, all you need to do is wait, If nothing after 30 seconds, than turn the box back on.

You CAN turn the TV back on. (The TV however should be turned on last in sequence if you do.) BUT you won't be able to do anything with the TV or box until the correct time is showing on the box, and if this is going to take an hour to go through a loop with the same screen, maybe decide to leave the TV off to prevent, (although unlikely) a screen burn-in.

Now, let the box sit like that for an hour, more if you want, it won't hurt anything at this point.

When the correct time appears in the window and stays, you should have Navigator and can now turn the box on to check settings. I don't know if you will want to reconnect that Expander or not. That is your decision. If you do, you might be prepared for another long loading and rebooting process. Most important IMO would be to get Navigator loaded to the box and working well.

ANY USERS WHO HAVE THEIR BOXES STUCK OR NOT WORKING AFTER AN HOUR TRYING TO GET NAVIGATOR TO LOAD THE FIRST TIME, TRY THESE THINGS.

Jack

Damn, my 8300HD rebooted, and now it staying stuck on one channel. Can't higher the volume. Can't change the channel. Can't gain access to my dvr list. The guide, or info. Nothing is working. I don't want a new box, because I don't want to lose what I have recorded. :mad:

Damn, my 8300HD rebooted, and now it staying stuck on one channel. Can't higher the volume. Can't change the channel. Can't gain access to my dvr list. The guide, or info. Nothing is working. I don't want a new box, because I don't want to lose what I have recorded. :mad:

If the box doesn't auto-reboot in a few minutes to get itself out of "stuck mode", unplug the box for about 30 seconds than plug it back in and it should reboot and be OK. On some occasions, it may take a couple reboots to get the box working, especially after updates. What version guide do you have on your SA-8300? Passport, Navigator, or SARA? If you got Navigator, was this box freeze the result of the update?

Jack

Does anyone know if the SA-4250HD has an event timer? The new Samsung 3050 doesn't, and I hate to give up that functionality. Right now I have a Pioneer 3510 which I love. But I'm having problems and they want to switch boxes on me. I honestly don't even think it's the box at all.

It's the software and not the box. Navigator doesn't have timers yet. It might not be for a while until it gets it.

It's the software and not the box. Navigator doesn't have timers yet. It might not be for a while until it gets it.
The Pioneer box in the livingroom has Passport and event timers. I recently got a Samsung H3050 in the bedroom, and THAT box has no timer function and the software is something called 'Mystro' (isn't that code for Navigator)? So, what do you suspect will happen if I switch the Pioneer for an SA - will the software change? I really don't get how this works. It seems to me the software resides in the box. Is that correct?

Like I said the Pioneer does support Navigator and they'll send it down to you eventually. If you get a 3250HD, SMT-H3050, or a SA 4250HD you'll get Navigator which lacks those timers.

Jack,

Thanks for the suggestions. I have tried every combination and think I am ready to give up and pick up a new box. It seems that an 8300hd or hdc is preferable to the new Sammy box. The thread for the box seems to indicate that there are issues with it recording in a timely fashion. Any thoughts would be appreciated. thanks.

Jack,

Thanks for the suggestions. I have tried every combination and think I am ready to give up and pick up a new box. It seems that an 8300hd or hdc is preferable to the new Sammy box. The thread for the box seems to indicate that there are issues with it recording in a timely fashion. Any thoughts would be appreciated. thanks.

Sounds good,

Are you going to call to have them bring a new box, or pick one up at the office? I agree with you, if those tips above don't work, time for a box swap. One plus about calling to have a new box put in as opposed to just getting one by going to a service center, is when you call, specifically ask that the tech check signal strength from both inside and outside your home. If you just get a box yourself, you can't check that, and signal strength is very important to be good for a quality Navigator experience.

It seems that the SA-8300 HDC would be the way to go. Some have reported the new Samsungs to be faster, but they also have a few issues. You will get the ODN version for Navigator pre-installed regardless. The only downloads from time to time for the box will be software updates.

Jack

Can anyone get their "start over" feature to work? I keep getting an error:
"We were unable to process your purchase of The Transporter.. Please call customer service at 718 3580900" Any help is appreciated. I have the new navigator upgrade to my SA8300HD box from this week.

Just got off the phone with the the technician, and the start over feature isn't gonna work on the SA8300HD. It works with the SA8300HDC, because it has a cable card. To get the start over feature to work you're gonna have to trade boxes. I'm just gonna deal without it. I have the SA8300HDC in my living room, and it runs much slower than the SA8300HD. Maybe when the start over feature gets added to more channels I'll change boxes. :)

Sounds good,

Are you going to call to have them bring a new box, or pick one up at the office? I agree with you, if those tips above don't work, time for a box swap. One plus about calling to have a new box put in as opposed to just getting one by going to a service center, is when you call, specifically ask that the tech check signal strength from both inside and outside your home. If you just get a box yourself, you can't check that, and signal strength is very important to be good for a quality Navigator experience.

It seems that the SA-8300 HDC would be the way to go. Some have reported the new Samsungs to be faster, but they also have a few issues. You will get the ODN version for Navigator pre-installed regardless. The only downloads from time to time for the box will be software updates.

Jack

Thanks for the reply. I didn't think about the signal strength so I might wait till tuesday. My only concern is that I will not be able to choose which box they give me. The samsung has only worked sporadically with the external expander and I read somewhere that the new update disables the esata on the samsung box. However, I will use this opportunity to upgrade to a 1tb expander since I am starting again from scratch.

Just got off the phone with the the technician, and the start over feature isn't gonna work on the SA8300HD. It works with the SA8300HDC, because it has a cable card. To get the start over feature to work you're gonna have to trade boxes. I'm just gonna deal without it. I have the SA8300HDC in my living room, and it runs much slower than the SA8300HD. Maybe when the start over feature gets added to more channels I'll change boxes. :)

The mystery deepens,

I am from Wisconsin and have religiously followed the Navigator roll-out in different threads to see how it's going. I can tell you that when Start Over was applied to my SA-8300 (MDN) box it worked. The funny story is that we got it around January and in March or so it disappeared from all the boxes. It turns out that there was some sort of pending litigation between the use of Start Over and TWC boxes. However, when advertisers came to the realization that you could not FF through banner ads, they accepted Start Over on more channels. (Although gradually.) After a six month or so hiatus, Start Over came back, but it's not yet on all the channels where it is supposed to be.

I'm not sure if that tech knew what he was talking about or got misleading information. Start Over just holds the program on which it is available for the live duration of the broadcast. Activating it just restarts the show, (commercials and all.) However, instead of keeping it on the head end for 3-6 weeks like they do for VOD stuff (times approximate) they hold the show only for its live duration.

Unless I am missing something here, Start Over should have nothing to do with whether you have an ODN or MDN box. If that were the case, it wouldn't work on my MDN box and it does. Although I don't use it. (For me, it only shows up on SD channels.)

The other thing that I heard for NYC areas was that Navigator was ONLY being pushed to HD boxes. In Wisconsin, they did push it out to SD boxes as well. I don't remember the time duration, but all makes and models of boxes were converted. However, I personally tell people that it is good to get an HD box even if you have an SD TV, because when you get an HDTV, (with either HDMI cable or Component Cable, don't forget that! or you won't have HD!) you don't have to switch boxes. I could be wrong, but I don't think my division is giving out new SD boxes anymore, but don't quote me on that!

Jack

Just got off the phone with the the technician, and the start over feature isn't gonna work on the SA8300HD. It works with the SA8300HDC, because it has a cable card. To get the start over feature to work you're gonna have to trade boxes. I'm just gonna deal without it. I have the SA8300HDC in my living room, and it runs much slower than the SA8300HD. Maybe when the start over feature gets added to more channels I'll change boxes. :)

That's BS. Start Over works just fine on my 8300HD.

Maybe something is not being initialized with the DVR Expander Drive, unplug that and the box and see if that helps, but this time, only unplug the box for a few minutes. You might try that.

A user on the forum also had his Navigator Update stuck in a reboot loop. He did not have an extended drive, but unplugged his HDMI cable from the box and also unplugged the box for 16 hours. When he reconnected everything and booted back up, after an hour, the update was installed, and all his stuff was saved.

That is weird that the HDMI cable would be an issue, because if it was you would think that everyone with HDMI would have this problem, and that has not been the case. I am just saying the steps that he did that solved the problem. However, if you unplug the drive expander AND the HDMI cable, than wait several minutes, at least the system will be able to "start fresh." Note that the user above did not have an External Drive, but I think you may have to disconnect that because it is not working with the change over. The makes and models of the expander drives make a difference and are really a crap-shoot. A normal first time Navigator download should take about 20 minutes to an hour. (average is about 30 minutes.) A normal box reboot once Navigator is on the box should take between 2-5 minutes. (ODN takes a little longer than MDN.) Note that these times are average, and ASSUME an "unstuck" box.

You would only have to be concerned about a possible 20 minutes to a 1- hour upgrade if they were doing some major stuff to the IPG. For now:


Turn off the box and unplug it
Turn off the DVR Expander and unplug it.
Unplug the HDMI cable (if you want) it won't hurt.
Wait about 15 minutes.
Plug the HDMI cable back in if disconnected.
Plug the box back in.
Wait about 30 seconds for any boot action to occur, if boot up does occur, all you need to do is wait, If nothing after 30 seconds, than turn the box back on.

You CAN turn the TV back on. (The TV however should be turned on last in sequence if you do.) BUT you won't be able to do anything with the TV or box until the correct time is showing on the box, and if this is going to take an hour to go through a loop with the same screen, maybe decide to leave the TV off to prevent, (although unlikely) a screen burn-in.

Now, let the box sit like that for an hour, more if you want, it won't hurt anything at this point.

When the correct time appears in the window and stays, you should have Navigator and can now turn the box on to check settings. I don't know if you will want to reconnect that Expander or not. That is your decision. If you do, you might be prepared for another long loading and rebooting process. Most important IMO would be to get Navigator loaded to the box and working well.

ANY USERS WHO HAVE THEIR BOXES STUCK OR NOT WORKING AFTER AN HOUR TRYING TO GET NAVIGATOR TO LOAD THE FIRST TIME, TRY THESE THINGS.

Jack


Believe it or not, my box finally updated and it is working fine! Expander shows are there as well as the extra recording space. It did find old recordings and list them as unknown in my list. It took me a couple of hours to go through them and delete most of them. Used the above tricks and followed the dvr expander instructions. Thanks for the help.

That's BS. Start Over works just fine on my 8300HD.
Really :confused: Why would she tell me that then? she said a cable card was needed so it could communicate back to them to get that feature to work. :mad: She went on a little rant about it actually. Sounded very sure of herself. I would think if you worked for the TWC you would know these thing. How annoying. Is the start over feature working with everyone's 8300HD box?

Really :confused: Why would she tell me that then? she said a cable card was needed so it could communicate back to them to get that feature to work. :mad: She went on a little rant about it actually. Sounded very sure of herself. I would think if you worked for the TWC you would know these thing. How annoying. Is the start over feature working with everyone's 8300HD box?

Mine works.

The techs on the phone don't know squat. Come here for all of your answers.

Not sure if this happened to anyone else, but I was getting strange channel listings on my guide...some channels were missing and it basically just didn't make much sense how it was displaying some channels and not others when I would go to the guide.

Turns out that somehow a bunch of channels were designated as "Favorites" after I got 'gatored' (didn't have any favorites before), and the Guide was set to display Favorites first, before the normal channel listing. I deselected all the favorites for now and just set it to display the normal guide listing (vs. Favorites first) and it's good to go.

I'll probably go back and set a good deal of favorites in the HD range that I use/subscribe to and set the guide to display them accordingly. But mystery solved for now.

Not sure if this happened to anyone else, but I was getting strange channel listings on my guide...some channels were missing and it basically just didn't make much sense how it was displaying some channels and not others when I would go to the guide.

Turns out that somehow a bunch of channels were designated as "Favorites" after I got 'gatored' (didn't have any favorites before), and the Guide was set to display Favorites first, before the normal channel listing. I deselected all the favorites for now and just set it to display the normal guide listing (vs. Favorites first) and it's good to go.

I'll probably go back and set a good deal of favorites in the HD range that I use/subscribe to and set the guide to display them accordingly. But mystery solved for now.

I had the same issue, was pretty weird.

My only questions now are for the audio - the old software had an actual "level" that you were recording and watching at. This new version has audio level of wide, narrow or normal - it seems to have defaulted to narrow, not really sure about the differences?

With passport, I usually had something in the buffer to go back on as soon as I turned on the set, and it was usually my default power on channel NY1. I could always get the weather in the morning without waiting. :) Now it seems like the buffer is empty when I turn on the box. :confused:

Oh, one more nitpic, with passport I was pretty good at judging the time to stop FF over commercials so it would jump back to the right spot. Now the jump back interval seems to be a bit longer so my timing is off. Also, it has the same thing on rewind, which I don't remember passport having.

I had the same issue, was pretty weird.

My only questions now are for the audio - the old software had an actual "level" that you were recording and watching at. This new version has audio level of wide, narrow or normal - it seems to have defaulted to narrow, not really sure about the differences?



The audio settings seem to be for "dynamic range". The idea is that with "Narrow", the audio is compressed and possibly limited, which will make it seem louder, yet consistent from programming to commercials and back. The idea is to vanquish the ubiquitous annoyance of having commercials (already heavily compressed) sound much louder than program content. This comes at the expense of some audio quality tradeoff. Will anyone notice watching with TV speakers? Probably not.

I'm guessing "Normal" means a slight amount of compression to allow for some evening out of programming-commercial loudness.

And "Wide" would mean full dynamic range, where the quietest and loudest passages all get passed without processing. I would think this would be best for home theater setups, or for people who don't care about commercials blasting them out.

Anyone know any differently?

Hoping someone here can help more then TWC. Last week they came to my house to install new modem for TW phone. Since then I cannot get On Demand to work on either of my boxes. 8300HDC DVR or Samsung 3050 non DVR. Both sets give error 106 when trying any On Demand station. I've tried both regular unplug re-boot and hard re-boot on both and nothing works. I called them and they had me re-boot and they sent a signal but that did not work either. Now I need to wait till Thursday for a tech to come out. Any suggestions?

Thanks

mine works.

The techs on the phone don't know squat. Come here for all of your answers.

iawtp

The hard drive on my 8300HD died last night, so I went down to 23rd St to get a new box. The only kind of HD DVRs they're giving out is the Samsung.

The hard drive on my 8300HD died last night, so I went down to 23rd St to get a new box. The only kind of HD DVRs they're giving out is the Samsung.So that means you have now entered the navigator zone.



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Welcome, to that "other" dimension

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That's BS. Start Over works just fine on my 8300HD.

No joy in Kew Gardens concerning "start over" with my SA 8300HD . Several calls to TWC yielded nothing except to be patient. I am very reluctant to do a box switch because navigator works very well and very swiftly on my box.

Having had an HDC for a while, I can say that even when Start Over "works," it's effed. One problem is constant stuttering. But the biggest problem is that sometimes you'll be dropped back in "live" mode, having missed for all time whatever was in between where you where and where you ended up.

Was internet (and possibly phone) down for anyone else for the last 90 minutes?

Mine just came back (same time I could finally get thru to the TWC line) - and there was a recording: "Data and phone services are have problems in the following areas: Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan" (something like that....)

Was internet (and possibly phone) down for anyone else for the last 90 minutes?

Mine just came back (same time I could finally get thru to the TWC line) - and there was a recording: "Data and phone services are have problems in the following areas: Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan" (something like that....)

OH YES, absolutely! Same deal here...it just came back on.

OH YES, absolutely! Same deal here...it just came back on.

I randomly connected to an open wireless router in my building, and the internet worked - so i spent 30 minutes rebooting the modem and router in different orders trying to figure out why i wasn't getting an IP....

of course i connect to the one person in my building that probably had DSL...

I randomly connected to an open wireless router in my building, and the internet worked - so i spent 30 minutes rebooting the modem and router in different orders trying to figure out why i wasn't getting an IP....

of course i connect to the one person in my building that probably had DSL...

All that work was basically for nothing. I rebooted a couple times, and it finally came back on its own.

Sounds like it wasn't one of their usual DNS failures but a major failure by one of their backbone routers

What external hard drive do you guys have that works with your explorer 8300HD? I want to add more space, and tried to before. I got the western digital My DVR Expander, and it didn't work. I had to send it back. Anyone have any suggestions? :) Maybe I should try the western digital My DVR Expander again. Maybe it will work with the new Navigator software.

What external hard drive do you guys have that works with your explorer 8300HD? . here's a place to start..

http://baseportal.com/cgi-bin/baseportal.pl?htx=/xnappo/navigator

I randomly connected to an open wireless router in my building, and the internet worked - so i spent 30 minutes rebooting the modem and router in different orders trying to figure out why i wasn't getting an IP....

of course i connect to the one person in my building that probably had DSL...

Did you check for a TV signal? Or a dialtone (if you have their phone service)?

I was nervous about IP when they tried to sell me their phone service; I went for it because they said they did NOT do IP (as in VOIP) for phone service.

I think the issue is the authentication servers they use for IP... yes there can be DNS issues, but generally you'll get a DNS type of message. You can add an "outside" DNS servers to your list, but there's no way around not being able to authenticate.

Hoping someone here can help more then TWC. Last week they came to my house to install new modem for TW phone. Since then I cannot get On Demand to work on either of my boxes. 8300HDC DVR or Samsung 3050 non DVR. Both sets give error 106 when trying any On Demand station. I've tried both regular unplug re-boot and hard re-boot on both and nothing works. I called them and they had me re-boot and they sent a signal but that did not work either. Now I need to wait till Thursday for a tech to come out. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Damn was hoping someone had seen this issue before. Oh well guess I can wait for the Tech to try and figure this out.

What external hard drive do you guys have that works with your explorer 8300HD? I want to add more space, and tried to before. I got the western digital My DVR Expander, and it didn't work. I had to send it back. Anyone have any suggestions? :) Maybe I should try the western digital My DVR Expander again. Maybe it will work with the new Navigator software.

i've had the wd dvr expander with the 8300hd for over a year and it is now working with the navigator update. Never had any issues worked pretty much right away. If I was getting a new one though I'd go with the 1TB version.

Did you check for a TV signal? Or a dialtone (if you have their phone service)?

I was nervous about IP when they tried to sell me their phone service; I went for it because they said they did NOT do IP (as in VOIP) for phone service.

I think the issue is the authentication servers they use for IP... yes there can be DNS issues, but generally you'll get a DNS type of message. You can add an "outside" DNS servers to your list, but there's no way around not being able to authenticate.

yes... I had tv.... if that had been out i wouldn't have been trying so hard....

I forgot. Is msnbc-hd launching tomorrow?

Yes, it should be.

here was the full announcement for tomorrow:

On or about July 22, 2009 we will launch the following new channels: UNTV on ch. 150, SET ASIA on ch. 561, Filipino Channel on ch. 594 and MSNBC HD will also be added on ch. 714 in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens and on ch. 729 in Mt. Vernon. In addition, Vme will move from ch. 841 to chs. 168 and 818.

Also on that date in Northern Manhattan for customers with cable ready TV’s and TV’s directly connected to cable (“direct hookups”) we will move TV Guide from ch. 40 to ch. 18 and NY1 from ch. 98 to ch. 10.

The previously announced discontinuance of Music Choice Contemporary Instrumentals, ch. 647, Taste of Italy, ch. 648 and Tejano, ch. 649 will occur on or about July 22, 2009. Also on that date we will discontinue carriage of iN DEMAND Movies and Events as provided on channels 304 – 307.

I already "found" the 3 new SD channels - but no obvious sign of MSNBCHD yet. (it may be going into one of the spots currently occupied by an analog channel)

EDIT: ok MSNBCHD is now on freq477 ch1 - which means they moved around a few things....

714 MSNBCHD is now fully live

Wow, it just...appeared.

MSNBC is up for me UWS. I've been following the Tour de France on Versus 794 it's nice to see it in HD this year.

Can someone please try to explain this to me, hopefully I am describing it right. In the past with Passport, I know that I had a buffer going on the last channel watched pretty much at all times. When I turned on the TV and the box, I would usually be able to rewind the existing buffer on that channel. Just as an added precaution, I would have a power on timer set for 6:30AM and a power off timer for 6:31AM on NY1HD, so I could always find my weather report when I turned on the set during the next 1/2 hour or so. This ALWAYS worked for me in the past.

I've noticed that now with Navigator, if I leave the box on and shut the TV, when I turn the TV back on, my buffer is gone? The box is still powered on during all this (indicated by the icon on the front display), and the TV is plugged into an outlet on a strip, not into the box. When I turn my TV back on, even though the box is on, I see the channel number flash for a second on the cable box display. I am using an HDMI connection if that makes a difference. I just want to know what is going on with my buffer? :confused: I also have a power on timer set for 6:30AM on NY1HD and I see that when I come to my TV at say, 6:45AM, the box is ON BUT as soon as I turn on the TV only, no buffer??

Also have MSNBC HD here in the East Village. Looks good!

TWC NYC

104 HD channels (+7 August 19 ;+5 announced but postponed)

350 PPV-HD
411 TEAM HD
445/791 GAME-HD
461 NBATVHD******** Postponed to a later date
465 Tennis Channel HD
467 CBS College Sports HD
471 Big Ten HD On Demand********August 19
472 Big Ten Network HD
480 Outdoor Channel HD********August 19
651 HBO HD
652 HBO2 HD
653 HBO Family HD
654 HBO Comedy HD
655 HBO Signature HD
656 HBO Zone HD
657 HBO Latino HD
658 CineMax HD
659 MoreMax HD
660 ActionMAX HD
661 ThrillerMAX HD
662 WMAX HD
663 @MAX HD
664 5StarMAX HD
665 OuterMAX HD
666 Showtime HD
667 Showtime 2 HD
668 ShowCase HD
669 Showtime Extreme HD
674 TMC HD
675 TMCxtra HD
676 Starz HD
677 Starz Edge HD
678 Starz Kids & Family HD
681 Starz Comedy HD
682 Encore HD
684 Chiller HD******** Postponed to a later date
686 Crime and Investigation HD
687 Live Well HD (WABC 7.2)
689 Style HD
691 Fuse HD
692 G4 HD
699 Showcase On Demand HD
700 Movies On Demand HD
701 NY1 HD
702 WCBS (CBS) HD
703 TNT HD
704 WNBC (NBC) HD
705 WNYW (FOX) HD
706 Nickelodeon HD******** Postponed to a later date
707 WABC (ABC) HD
708 TBS HD
709 WWOR (My Network TV) HD
710 CNN HD (778 on August 19)
711 WPIX (The CW) HD
713 WNET (PBS) HD
714 MSNBC HD
715 CNBC HD
716 USA HD
717 Syfy HD
718 Bravo HD
720 Palladia HD
722 Cartoon Network HD (761 on August 19)
723 Investigation Discovery HD********August 19
724 E! HD
726 SNY HD
727 MSG HD
728 ESPN HD
729 ESPN2 HD
731 WPXN (iON) HD
733 QVC HD
734 Universal HD
736 Spike HD******** Postponed to a later date
737 FX HD (710 on August 19)
738 ABC Family HD
739 HSN HD******** Postponed to a later date
740 History Channel HD
743 Fox Business News HD
744 Fox News HD
746 A&E HD
747 WNJU (Telemundo) HD
748 MSG+ HD
749 Disney HD
750 Food Network HD
752 The Learning Channel HD
753 YES HD
754 AMC HD
758 Headline News HD********August 19
759 WE HD
760 Disney XD HD
762 Lifetime HD********August 19
762 Lifetime Movie Network HD (780 on August 19)
763 Biography HD
764 HGTV HD
765 National Geographic HD
766 Discovery HD
767 HD Theater
768 Planet Green HD
772 Weather Channel HD
774 Speed HD
775 Science Channel HD
779 Golf HD (482 on August 19)
781 IFC HD
782 TCM HD********August 19
783 MLB Network HD
784 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
786 Animal Planet HD
787 MavTV HD
788 Travel Channel HD
789 Smithsonian HD (795 on August 19)
790 TV One HD
792 ESPNews HD
793 ESPNU HD
794 Smithsonian HD On Demand********August 19
794 Versus HD (481 on August 19)
795 NHL Network HD (468 on August 19)
796 MGM HD

i was skeptical about phone service as well but since cell makes a good backup these days. tw phone is voip. it uses IP technology not circuit switched like say a verizon landline. but the difference between tw phone and vonage is that tw phone does not hit the public internet as voange does.


Did you check for a TV signal? Or a dialtone (if you have their phone service)?

I was nervous about IP when they tried to sell me their phone service; I went for it because they said they did NOT do IP (as in VOIP) for phone service.

I think the issue is the authentication servers they use for IP... yes there can be DNS issues, but generally you'll get a DNS type of message. You can add an "outside" DNS servers to your list, but there's no way around not being able to authenticate.

Nice list - wish HDNET and HDNET Movies was still on there.

Can someone please try to explain this to me, hopefully I am describing it right. In the past with Passport, I know that I had a buffer going on the last channel watched pretty much at all times. When I turned on the TV and the box, I would usually be able to rewind the existing buffer on that channel. Just as an added precaution, I would have a power on timer set for 6:30AM and a power off timer for 6:31AM on NY1HD, so I could always find my weather report when I turned on the set during the next 1/2 hour or so. This ALWAYS worked for me in the past.

I've noticed that now with Navigator, if I leave the box on and shut the TV, when I turn the TV back on, my buffer is gone? The box is still powered on during all this (indicated by the icon on the front display), and the TV is plugged into an outlet on a strip, not into the box. When I turn my TV back on, even though the box is on, I see the channel number flash for a second on the cable box display. I am using an HDMI connection if that makes a difference. I just want to know what is going on with my buffer? :confused: I also have a power on timer set for 6:30AM on NY1HD and I see that when I come to my TV at say, 6:45AM, the box is ON BUT as soon as I turn on the TV only, no buffer??

welcome to navigator. your not crazy.

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here was the full announcement for tomorrow:
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On or about July 22, 2009 we will launch the following new channels: UNTV on ch. 150, SET ASIA on ch. 561, Filipino Channel on ch. 594 and MSNBC HD will also be added on ch. 714 in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens and on ch. 729 in Mt. Vernon. In addition, Vme will move from ch. 841 to chs. 168 and 818.
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Turns out at least ONE of these adds will cost you: Filipino Channel is a "premium channel" at the not-so-cheap cost of $11.95/mo. :mad:

yes... I had tv.... if that had been out i wouldn't have been trying so hard....

Ah, indeed I've had 2-6 hour outages of IP about 2-3 per year over the past 4-5-6, something like that, which is why I think it's their inability to keep servers up for very long.

MSNBC is up for me UWS. I've been following the Tour de France on Versus 794 it's nice to see it in HD this year.

They are relegating VS to 481 on 8/19; I guess they couldn't extort more money from VS to stay where they have been for quite a while now...

i was skeptical about phone service as well but since cell makes a good backup these days. tw phone is voip. it uses IP technology not circuit switched like say a verizon landline. but the difference between tw phone and vonage is that tw phone does not hit the public internet as voange does.

I very closely questioned them about this... insisting I had to talk to an engineer. Phone service does not need to go through their IP authentication servers (according to them), which I always thought was a major weak point. There's no "fault" with using IP as a technology; the issue I was trying to get to was that if I get a 2-3 hour IP outage, that would NOT mean I would also lose phone service.

However, I'll know for sure the next time I have any IP issues not related to not connecting at all to TWC... as in lose IP but phone still works.

They are relegating VS to 481 on 8/19; I guess they couldn't extort more money from VS to stay where they have been for quite a while now...

I think its just them moving the smaller sports-themed channels together (golf moving too - and nhl network is going where it should've been all along)

Golf and Versus do belong in the 680s-90s though.... (with their Comcast brothers G4 and Style)

Can someone please try to explain this to me, hopefully I am describing it right. [...] I've noticed that now with Navigator, if I leave the box on and shut the TV, when I turn the TV back on, my buffer is gone? The box is still powered on during all this [...] When I turn my TV back on, even though the box is on, I see the channel number flash for a second on the cable box display. I am using an HDMI connection if that makes a difference.

Sounds like HDMI nonsense - the TV is probably signaling to the cable box that it is off, and the cable box is probably turning off on some level.

I get the idea behind intelligent cables, but personally I prefer good old 'dumb' cables. If I tell my cable box to stay on, I don't need my TV and cable box having a chat over the HDMI to decide what they think is best for me.

One more reason to stick with component cables.

Sounds like HDMI nonsense - the TV is probably signaling to the cable box that it is off, and the cable box is probably turning off on some level.


That makes sense, I'll investigate that. This did not occur with the same HDMI cable before I got crappergated. :mad:

Another Northern Manhattan spreadsheet.
(it's been a little while)

I think I have all of the minor differences between northern and southern Manhattan pinned down at this point (its just a few random SD channels...)

Another Northern Manhattan spreadsheet.
(it's been a little while)

I think I have all of the minor differences between northern and southern Manhattan pinned down at this point (its just a few random SD channels...)

Interesting list, but I wonder who are the genious at TWC that a couple of years ago decided to put ESPN HD, YES HD and SNYHD on one QAm which only cover 38.8mbs. It is interesting that we haven't seen those HD channels real potential on the TWC system.

Interesting list, but I wonder who are the genious at TWC that a couple of years ago decided to put ESPN HD, YES HD and SNYHD on one QAm which only cover 38.8mbs. It is interesting that we haven't seen those HD channels real potential on the TWC system.

the same geniuses that have just about every hd channel in a set of 3?

Am I gonna have to go back to the days of the tvguide? The find shows keyboard never works passed the first word. Once you have to use the space key it doesn't work. Can you do manual recording? Does anyone know?

Hoping someone here can help more then TWC. Last week they came to my house to install new modem for TW phone. Since then I cannot get On Demand to work on either of my boxes. 8300HDC DVR or Samsung 3050 non DVR. Both sets give error 106 when trying any On Demand station. I've tried both regular unplug re-boot and hard re-boot on both and nothing works. I called them and they had me re-boot and they sent a signal but that did not work either. Now I need to wait till Thursday for a tech to come out. Any suggestions?

Thanks

The entire TWC company seems to be comprised of idiots.

I had two cable boxes, and when I had a cable card installed in my Tivo HD, I returned one to the cable guy. Soon afterwards the 8300HD DVR lost all the On Demand stations. I called tech support, they said they would investigate. After a week, nothing happened so I called again. The next rep said the first rep had done nothing, but she would put out a "work order". Then more channels started disappearing.

I called again, and now discovered that the cable guy had "deactivated" BOTH boxes instead of one! They continued to charge for the box, but had turned it off. Simple - re-activate it, right? Nope. Can't be done without a visit from another cable guy! Now the box is totally dead, but makes a nice clock as it still displays the time.

So he's coming tomorrow to "re-activate" the box. :confused:

The entire TWC company seems to be comprised of idiots.

I had two cable boxes, and when I had a cable card installed in my Tivo HD, I returned one to the cable guy. Soon afterwards the 8300HD DVR lost all the On Demand stations. I called tech support, they said they would investigate. After a week, nothing happened so I called again. The next rep said the first rep had done nothing, but she would put out a "work order". Then more channels started disappearing.

I called again, and now discovered that the cable guy had "deactivated" BOTH boxes instead of one! They continued to charge for the box, but had turned it off. Simple - re-activate it, right? Nope. Can't be done without a visit from another cable guy! Now the box is totally dead, but makes a nice clock as it still displays the time.

So he's coming tomorrow to "re-activate" the box. :confused:

WOW!!!

Where I live in Wisconsin they can do reactivation of boxes over the phone. You just call and say, I need to have my box reactivated. We used to have a "Self Converter install activation line." But I don't know what happened to that.

What's he gonna do tomorrow that can't be done over the phone?

Jack

I think 5 is the number of Service calls you have to go through before TW starts to figure out whats wrong, 20 phone calls at least 1 hour on hold should be about right!

Got some interesting news last night. A contact my building manager has at Verizon tells him they will start marketing their service by the end of August in the general area from 96th to 125th on the west side.

Apparently, they will do this ahead for actually running the trunk fiber off which each block gets wired. AND that they may go down a black based on the number of potential sign-ups; the implication is if "you" are the only interested person on a block, they will delay running fiber down that block.

Am I gonna have to go back to the days of the tvguide? The find shows keyboard never works passed the first word. Once you have to use the space key it doesn't work. Can you do manual recording? Does anyone know?

Don't know about the keyboard thing, but you can forget about manual recordings - Navigator does not offer that feature.

Got some interesting news last night. A contact my building manager has at Verizon tells him they will start marketing their service by the end of August in the general area from 96th to 125th on the west side.

Apparently, they will do this ahead for actually running the trunk fiber off which each block gets wired. AND that they may go down a black based on the number of potential sign-ups; the implication is if "you" are the only interested person on a block, they will delay running fiber down that block.

Information like that, 3rd party from a so-called 'insider' is almost always wrong.

A_C

Comcast first to launch HBO on Demand in HD. That's what I'm talking about. Hopefully this will happen with TWC sooner than later.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/comcast-launch-hbo-demandr-hd/

i have a contact there that tells me that a lot of the inefficiencies are purposely created for job security purposes. with all the competition now, work loads have dropped. so reps love to book trouble calls to keep the techs busy. many people have been there 10-20 years so they think they are looking out for one another. but in the end they are driving people to look for alternatives so us busy new yorkers dont have 4 hours to wait for a box to be reactivated.

The entire TWC company seems to be comprised of idiots.

I had two cable boxes, and when I had a cable card installed in my Tivo HD, I returned one to the cable guy. Soon afterwards the 8300HD DVR lost all the On Demand stations. I called tech support, they said they would investigate. After a week, nothing happened so I called again. The next rep said the first rep had done nothing, but she would put out a "work order". Then more channels started disappearing.

I called again, and now discovered that the cable guy had "deactivated" BOTH boxes instead of one! They continued to charge for the box, but had turned it off. Simple - re-activate it, right? Nope. Can't be done without a visit from another cable guy! Now the box is totally dead, but makes a nice clock as it still displays the time.

So he's coming tomorrow to "re-activate" the box. :confused:

TWC NYC

104 HD channels (+7 August 19 ;+5 announced but postponed)

350 PPV-HD
411 TEAM HD
445/791 GAME-HD
461 NBATVHD******** Postponed to a later date
465 Tennis Channel HD
467 CBS College Sports HD
471 Big Ten HD On Demand********August 19
472 Big Ten Network HD
480 Outdoor Channel HD********August 19
651 HBO HD
652 HBO2 HD
653 HBO Family HD
654 HBO Comedy HD
655 HBO Signature HD
656 HBO Zone HD
657 HBO Latino HD
658 CineMax HD
659 MoreMax HD
660 ActionMAX HD
661 ThrillerMAX HD
662 WMAX HD
663 @MAX HD
664 5StarMAX HD
665 OuterMAX HD
666 Showtime HD
667 Showtime 2 HD
668 ShowCase HD
669 Showtime Extreme HD
674 TMC HD
675 TMCxtra HD
676 Starz HD
677 Starz Edge HD
678 Starz Kids & Family HD
681 Starz Comedy HD
682 Encore HD
684 Chiller HD******** Postponed to a later date
686 Crime and Investigation HD
687 Live Well HD (WABC 7.2)
689 Style HD
691 Fuse HD
692 G4 HD
699 Showcase On Demand HD
700 Movies On Demand HD
701 NY1 HD
702 WCBS (CBS) HD
703 TNT HD
704 WNBC (NBC) HD
705 WNYW (FOX) HD
706 Nickelodeon HD******** Postponed to a later date
707 WABC (ABC) HD
708 TBS HD
709 WWOR (My Network TV) HD
710 CNN HD (778 on August 19)
711 WPIX (The CW) HD
713 WNET (PBS) HD
714 MSNBC HD
715 CNBC HD
716 USA HD
717 Syfy HD
718 Bravo HD
720 Palladia HD
722 Cartoon Network HD (761 on August 19)
723 Investigation Discovery HD********August 19
724 E! HD
726 SNY HD
727 MSG HD
728 ESPN HD
729 ESPN2 HD
731 WPXN (iON) HD
733 QVC HD
734 Universal HD
736 Spike HD******** Postponed to a later date
737 FX HD (710 on August 19)
738 ABC Family HD
739 HSN HD******** Postponed to a later date
740 History Channel HD
743 Fox Business News HD
744 Fox News HD
746 A&E HD
747 WNJU (Telemundo) HD
748 MSG+ HD
749 Disney HD
750 Food Network HD
752 The Learning Channel HD
753 YES HD
754 AMC HD
758 Headline News HD********August 19
759 WE HD
760 Disney XD HD
762 Lifetime HD********August 19
762 Lifetime Movie Network HD (780 on August 19)
763 Biography HD
764 HGTV HD
765 National Geographic HD
766 Discovery HD
767 HD Theater
768 Planet Green HD
772 Weather Channel HD
774 Speed HD
775 Science Channel HD
779 Golf HD (482 on August 19)
781 IFC HD
782 TCM HD********August 19
783 MLB Network HD
784 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
786 Animal Planet HD
787 MavTV HD
788 Travel Channel HD
789 Smithsonian HD (795 on August 19)
790 TV One HD
792 ESPNews HD
793 ESPNU HD
794 Smithsonian HD On Demand********August 19
794 Versus HD (481 on August 19)
795 NHL Network HD (468 on August 19)
796 MGM HD

CNN HD moving to ch.778??? That doesn't make sense. Why would they move it to such a high position? Isn't CNN part of Time-Warner. I just checked and the SD feed of CNN will be moving to ch. 78 as well. That's not all, a lot of channels are be being shuffled around on August 19th. Now I have to relearn my favorite channel positions. I may finally have to use that "favorites" feature.:(

CNN HD moving to ch.778??? That doesn't make sense. Why would they move it to such a high position? Isn't CNN part of Time-Warner. I just checked and the SD feed of CNN will be moving to ch. 78 as well. That's not all, a lot of channels are be being shuffled around on August 19th. Now I have to relearn my favorite channel positions. I may finally have to use that "favorites" feature.:(

Time Warner Cable split off from Time Warner.

So the sweet deals that the Time Warner networks had are obviously going away... or FX was able to pony up some $$ for the better position and TWC had no financial reason to keep CNN at 10...

I'd suggest that TNT and TBS may be moved as well, but I don't know what network would be willing to pay for those spots (maybe Disney...)

Information like that, 3rd party from a so-called 'insider' is almost always wrong.

A_C
I don't think this is wrong, because I live on Morningside Heights 123th, and everything is marked with Verizon signs so Riversideguy is correct on this information. They will start wiring every block before the Fall. If everything happen soon, My I will dump TWC ASAP. I am tired of the HD lite 3/1.

I don't think this is wrong, because I live on Morningside Heights 123th, and everything is marked with Verizon signs so Riversideguy is correct on this information. They will start wiring every block before the Fall. If everything happen soon, My I will dump TWC ASAP. I am tired of the HD lite 3/1.

I'd also stand by what I said because I'm an officer in my co-op and the managing agent works for me. The Verizon contact he speaks to has had a business relationship with him for several years now... and what you have found out certainly jibes perfectly.

Actually that brings up an interesting question. I think the great deal they gave me last year (in response to a DOITT complaint I filed) included their "price lock." The PR guy swore they would not try and extract any "cancellation" fees from me if I needed to quit TWC. Of course, I don't have anything in writing (nor is there any real record I have this... my bill only shows a "sat any 3" credit. My guess is by the time we have fiber in my building, I will be 12 or so months into that deal.

Has anyone broken a "required" cancellation fee? Anyone have any thoughts on how they might address this issue?

Got some interesting news last night. A contact my building manager has at Verizon tells him they will start marketing their service by the end of August in the general area from 96th to 125th on the west side.

Apparently, they will do this ahead for actually running the trunk fiber off which each block gets wired. AND that they may go down a black based on the number of potential sign-ups; the implication is if "you" are the only interested person on a block, they will delay running fiber down that block.

What about below 96st.It looks like it will take years :confused:to get it down below w.96st.:( Im i right:confused:

What about below 96st.It looks like it will take years :confused:to get it down below w.96st.:( Im i right:confused:

not it will not take years for below 96th to get FIOS. They are currently wiring some parts from west 51th street to west 67th and Columbus avenue.

definetly a lot of wheeling & dealing between TW and programmers. keep in mind TNT & TBS are highly rated basic channels that TW sells spots on so they benefit from low spots on the dial even though they are no longer corporate cousins.


Time Warner Cable split off from Time Warner.

So the sweet deals that the Time Warner networks had are obviously going away... or FX was able to pony up some $$ for the better position and TWC had no financial reason to keep CNN at 10...

I'd suggest that TNT and TBS may be moved as well, but I don't know what network would be willing to pay for those spots (maybe Disney...)

WOW!!!

Where I live in Wisconsin they can do reactivation of boxes over the phone. You just call and say, I need to have my box reactivated. We used to have a "Self Converter install activation line." But I don't know what happened to that.

What's he gonna do tomorrow that can't be done over the phone?

Jack

He came, got the serial # off the back (the one I had already told them), then made a phone call to "re-activate" the box. I wasn't there, but my wife was. He refused to touch a remote, and was pretty nasty to my wife. The guy had a bad attitude, I might file a complaint with TWC.

I'm not sure if this is already known but I've just discovered you can access the live buffer for both tuners on an 8300HD with Passport even if you have an external hard drive attached. The key is that the 8300HD is still recording the channels in the buffer, even though adding the external drive disables the regular access to the live buffer. The way to get to the buffered recording is by choosing to record the program you're watching. The 8300HD will record the program using what it's been saving in the buffer. Presto, instant buffer!

It's not as elegant as the regular live buffer rewind but at least you're able to go to the beginning of a program even if you start watching midway. And this trick works for both tuners.

I'm not sure if this is already known but I've just discovered you can access the live buffer for both tuners on an 8300HD with Passport even if you have an external hard drive attached. The key is that the 8300HD is still recording the channels in the buffer, even though adding the external drive disables the regular access to the live buffer. The way to get to the buffered recording is by choosing to record the program you're watching. The 8300HD will record the program using what it's been saving in the buffer. Presto, instant buffer!

It's not as elegant as the regular live buffer rewind but at least you're able to go to the beginning of a program even if you start watching midway. And this trick works for both tuners.


Already known.

I had to move my SA-8300HD which required me to unplug it. When it restarted, I got the usual message telling me that my external drive was reconnected and to press A which I did. But here's the weird thing: when the box came back, it was as if it was early June, not the end of July. Shows recorded in May and early June were in the list but nothing recorded after 6/8 was in the list. If I tried to play one of these old shows, I got a message telling me that my external drive was not connected. What is even stranger, the list of scheduled series recordings was stuck in the same time warp, so no recently scheduled series recordings showed up, but ones deleted long ago (like The Tonight Show with Jay Leno) did. Fortunately, there was nothing recorded that I will really miss though if there were some way I could get my old shows back, I'd like that. Is there? My main concern is whether or not the external drive is actually being detected by the system or not. Is there a way to check that?

Got some interesting news last night. A contact my building manager has at Verizon tells him they will start marketing their service by the end of August in the general area from 96th to 125th on the west side.

Apparently, they will do this ahead for actually running the trunk fiber off which each block gets wired. AND that they may go down a black based on the number of potential sign-ups; the implication is if "you" are the only interested person on a block, they will delay running fiber down that block.

That would be nice I have looked at Verizons Fios Website in the past to try and figure out cost, couldn't really get a number. What ever it is- I'm gone! See ya TW, I don't expect Roses but nothing can be worse then S@%t

What about below 96st.It looks like it will take years :confused:to get it down below w.96st.:( Im i right:confused:

I would doubt it... I would guess there's a very good concentration of TWC customers in that area to entice Verizon to NOT "wait for years."

One thing I find interesting is back when TWC was laying their trunk fiber (which allowed such things as hi-speed broadband), they started way downtown and slowly moved north. A good pal in the East Village got access to broadband close to 2 years before I did because he lived downtown and I uptown. Verizon seems to be going in a much more piecemeal way.

As for my nabe, my guess is part of it is we have a fairly large hub that services Columbia in general. My bet is that is a primary reason why they are going 125th and south.

Damn was hoping someone had seen this issue before. Oh well guess I can wait for the Tech to try and figure this out.

Hoping someone here can help more then TWC. Last week they came to my house to install new modem for TW phone. Since then I cannot get On Demand to work on either of my boxes. 8300HDC DVR or Samsung 3050 non DVR. Both sets give error 106 when trying any On Demand station. I've tried both regular unplug re-boot and hard re-boot on both and nothing works. I called them and they had me re-boot and they sent a signal but that did not work either. Now I need to wait till Thursday for a tech to come out. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Oh finally, someone else who has this problem. I had this problem in Apr/May for a month and a half before they fixed it -- unfortunately, don't know what they did. Had nothing to do with my box or my signal strength. Then on 7/15, problem cropped up again. Tech came and said it's not my box and signal if fine. He referred it to Engineering and told me that they would check the external signal on 7/24. Well it's 7/25 and it still doesn't work. Called TWC and was told that IT has the problem and to check back in 48 hours. BTW, my onDemands that don't work include my premium onD and CH 699. Curiously, CH 1009 does work. Also, not sure this is related, but my Start Over feature never worked. I have the SA8300HDC and am in downtown Brooklyn.
Zetachi, please post results of your tech visit. btw, what box and what nabe are you in?

I would doubt it... I would guess there's a very good concentration of TWC customers in that area to entice Verizon to NOT "wait for years."

One thing I find interesting is back when TWC was laying their trunk fiber (which allowed such things as hi-speed broadband), they started way downtown and slowly moved north. A good pal in the East Village got access to broadband close to 2 years before I did because he lived downtown and I uptown. Verizon seems to be going in a much more piecemeal way.

As for my nabe, my guess is part of it is we have a fairly large hub that services Columbia in general. My bet is that is a primary reason why they are going 125th and south.

I remember that. I live in the west 70s :)and had to wait for every thing to come togetter. So lets see how long Verizon takes:rolleyes:

TW went digital in my neighborhood first week of September 2001. Other neighborhoods had it about 2 years before.

I've had the ODN Navigator for several months now on my bedroom TV with the 8300HDC box that we had exchanged. My wife monpolizes that box so I have little experience with it My other two boxes, 8300HD and 3250HD were Navigated a couple of weeks ago in the MDN version and all seems OK so far.

I mostly use the 8300 box which is in the living room for my viewing on the big screen of the house. I've had to relearn how to use RW but I think I am getting the technique. The SA 3250 box seems a bit underpowered. Channel selection is very SLOWWW, but I only use it as a PIP input to my computer monitor and find it acceptable for multitasking watching.

These Samsung boxes sound interesting 3050/3090 and 3250/3260? It looks to me like the 30xx series lacks a powered AC outlet. Is that correct? If so what about the 32xx series. I would really like to use the STB to control the TV power.

These Samsung boxes sound interesting 3050/3090 and 3250/3260? It looks to me like the 30xx series lacks a powered AC outlet. Is that correct? If so what about the 32xx series. I would really like to use the STB to control the TV power.

3090 does have a powered outlet. The only thing it lacks is the coaxial output.

Thx. Good to hear MacAlert. I certainly have no use for a coax out, anyway. I guess it was hard to tell from the picture of the back that I had previously seen. I did find a better one. http://ww.engadgethd.com/photos/the-cablenet-booth-tour-at-the-cable-show/814035/ I can see the AC on the extreme right - or at least I can imagine its existence there <LOL>

I've had the ODN Navigator for several months now on my bedroom TV with the 8300HDC box that we had exchanged. My wife monpolizes that box so I have little experience with it My other two boxes, 8300HD and 3250HD were Navigated a couple of weeks ago in the MDN version and all seems OK so far.

I mostly use the 8300 box which is in the living room for my viewing on the big screen of the house. I've had to relearn how to use RW but I think I am getting the technique. The SA 3250 box seems a bit underpowered. Channel selection is very SLOWWW, but I only use it as a PIP input to my computer monitor and find it acceptable for multitasking watching.

These Samsung boxes sound interesting 3050/3090 and 3250/3260? It looks to me like the 30xx series lacks a powered AC outlet. Is that correct? If so what about the 32xx series. I would really like to use the STB to control the TV power.

It's 3260/3270. My 3260 HD non DVR has a powered AC out only 2 prong. Don't plug in a 3 prong device into it though.

It's 3260/3270. My 3260 HD non DVR has a powered AC out only 2 prong. Don't plug in a 3 prong device into it though.

Sure. I was going by memory on those models. SA units also have 2 prongs. You have to use 3-2 adaptors. Can't figure out why electronics firms use these two-prongers other than space saving. Regardless it's no big deal.

Sure. I was going by memory on those models. SA units also have 2 prongs. You have to use 3-2 adaptors. Can't figure out why electronics firms use these two-prongers other than space saving. Regardless it's no big deal.

Well the 3rd prong acts as a ground. Having a 3rd prong would require the box to use a 3 prong plug. The newer SA HDC boxes have a compromised PSU and not plugging in something is better. You could use an adapter but I wouldn't risk it. You have to unscrew the screw and screw the metal thing into it to act as a ground. Just something to think about.

I saw a TW commercial recently that claimed that a lot of people have had trouble with FIOS and are switching back to TW. Has anyone here had that experience or knows anyone who did? If so why?

Barry

I saw a TW commercial recently that claimed that a lot of people have had trouble with FIOS and are switching back to TW. Has anyone here had that experience or knows anyone who did? If so why?

Barry

I have seen that commercial. Very hard to believe from reading many posts and having friends who have FIOS that are very happy with it.

The only logical reason I can see some going back are those that are just so used to the TWC plan and billing, Seeing a new service and prices might make someone question what they were doing. So to avoid confusion, they just go back to what they are used to.

Dammit, SNY HD is down right now in Manhattan.

Dammit, SNY HD is down right now in Manhattan.

YES HD too

YES HD too

SNY HD
YES HD
ESPN Hd

THe three channels are down, They are in the same QAM. Maybe TWC changed their heart and decided to give them the full treatment.

SNY HD
YES HD
ESPN Hd

THe three channels are down, They are in the same QAM. Maybe TWC changed their heart and decided to give them the full treatment.

Cinemax HD
MSG HD
HD Theater

also 3 on the same QAM - all out

Maybe TWC changed their heart and decided to give them the full treatment.

btw - i figure they give these channels different bandwidths at different times. Chancers are that there wont be significant events on all 3 channels simultaneously (at least not in the eyes of the NYC market)

Cinemax HD
MSG HD
HD Theater

also 3 on the same QAM - all out

They are all back on, and look the same as before. I don't know what is the urgency of taking down those channels.

They're back - nothing moved

SNY HD
YES HD
ESPN Hd

THe three channels are down, They are in the same QAM. Maybe TWC changed their heart and decided to give them the full treatment.

Down in Brooklyn Heights as well. BTW, is there a list of what channels are on each QAM?

Down in Brooklyn Heights as well. BTW, is there a list of what channels are on each QAM?

The funny thing is that Cablevision gives the sports channels the 2/1 treatment. I don't know what's the deal with Time warner when they have plenty of space available.

Sports and movies HD channels should have the full treatment since there is a lot of action sequences.

The funny thing is that Cablevision gives the sports channels the 2/1 treatment. I don't know what's the deal with Time warner when they have plenty of space available.

Sports and movies HD channels should have the full treatment since there is a lot of action sequences.

You're assuming that all the channels are sent to TWC at 16-18mpbs... many are broadcast at 12-14, which allows them to fit into 3-to-1

You're assuming that all the channels are sent to TWC at 16-18mpbs... many are broadcast at 12-14, which allows them to fit into 3-to-1
Can you name a national HD cable network that is sent to the cable ops at anything less than broadcast quality? If it's at 12-14mbps, it's not in mpeg-2.

Cinemax HD
MSG HD
HD Theater

also 3 on the same QAM - all out

Indeed, kinda mirrors my experience with 716, 717, and 718 going pout at the same time for 30-45 minutes on at least 2 occasions when I was trying to watch one of those channels.

Can you name a national HD cable network that is sent to the cable ops at anything less than broadcast quality? If it's at 12-14mbps, it's not in mpeg-2.

Only channels that are on 10mbps to 14 are MPEG-4. I know for fact that all the HBO, Cinemax and Starz HD channels broadcast on MPEG-4, but the Cable companies Recompress it to MPEG-2. Also the NBC universal channels are on MPEG-4.

Only channels that are on 10mbps to 14 are MPEG-4. I know for fact that all the HBO, Cinemax and Starz HD channels broadcast on MPEG-4, but the Cable companies Recompress it to MPEG-2. Also the NBC universal channels are on MPEG-4.

Not exactly true. Some cable HD networks like ESPN & HDNET broadcast @ 19.4 constant bit rate (CBR). SO regardless if it's a high action sports event or black in between commercials the bitrate stays the same. Premium move networks like HBO do uplink their primary channel in MPEG2 at variable bit rate (VBR). A recent movie or concert may be 19.4 where as an old movie may be as low as 9.0mpbs Most of the premium multiplexes transmit secondary channels (HBO 2, HBO Signature, Moremax) in MPEG4 and they are "transcoded" from MPEG4 to MPEG2 at the cable head end. The do simulcast their primary channel in MPEG4 and will eventually drop their MPEG2 once all cable headends switchover to new hardware.They are not recompressed as you call it. Some cable systems tight on bandwith may rate shape it with about 30% savings on bandwith.

CBS takes pride in HD and requires all of its owned and operated stations to use full 19.4. Affiliates may add secondary services such as weather, news or whatever. ABC owned & operated stations butcher up their bandwith by squeezing 2 HD channels and 1 SD channel in 19.4. Live Well TV and ABC are HD in MPEG2 and less than 10 mbps each but they look like crap.

I saw a TW commercial recently that claimed that a lot of people have had trouble with FIOS and are switching back to TW. Has anyone here had that experience or knows anyone who did? If so why?

Barry

variety of reasons but if they truly are all going back to TW, then there would be no need for the commercial. regardless if you are switching from TW to verizon or verizon to RCN there will be a percentage of people that will switch back regardless of how good the new/old provider is.

With all this information about bandwidth; what codec[mpeg 2 or 4] does MAVTV use since it looks no better than VHS quality? Thanks.

With all this information about bandwidth; what codec[mpeg 2 or 4] does MAVTV use since it looks no better than VHS quality? Thanks.

mpeg 2 & 4 are close in quality. people with trained eyes may argue one is better than the other. mpeg 4 gives 50% savings in bandwith. mav tv is a low budget cable channel. example if you encode an old VHS wedding tape in MPEG2 or 4, it will still look like crap. garbage in-garbage out.

uhoh

my 8300hd box just reset and is doing a hexidecimal countdown

update: false alarm... passport screen came up
(turns out the reset was caused by my 2nd tuner failing)

uhoh

my 8300hd box just reset and is doing a hexidecimal countdown

update: false alarm... passport screen came up
(turns out the reset was caused by my 2nd tuner failing)

Have you noticed a lot more "glitchage" in the past month or so? Some times just an audio drop out, sometimes both audio and video, sometimes a freeze that runs for 10-30 seconds? I can seem to go more than half an hour on ANY channel before I see this...

Have you noticed a lot more "glitchage" in the past month or so? Some times just an audio drop out, sometimes both audio and video, sometimes a freeze that runs for 10-30 seconds? I can seem to go more than half an hour on ANY channel before I see this...

You're not dreaming; it's getting worse.

Previously, I just had audio dropouts on Fox; now I see it on at least half a dozen channels. Freezing and pixelation too.

I'd call support if I wasn't 100% certain it would be a waste of time.

A_C

You're not dreaming; it's getting worse.

Previously, I just had audio dropouts on Fox; now I see it on at least half a dozen channels. Freezing and pixelation too.

I'd call support if I wasn't 100% certain it would be a waste of time.

A_C

In general, I haven't noticed any difference. I'll keep an eye out.

Scott

Ok, this is weird....I decided to DVR Hell's Kitchen last night on the 3090. The show recorded but recorded as 15 different shows. Has anyone else had this happen?

I'm absolutely seeing lots of freezes and audio glitches on cable channels.

Ok, this is weird....I decided to DVR Hell's Kitchen last night on the 3090. The show recorded but recorded as 15 different shows. Has anyone else had this happen?

No, but I'd love to see a picture of what that looks like in the recorded program list. :eek:

A_C

Ok, this is weird....I decided to DVR Hell's Kitchen last night on the 3090. The show recorded but recorded as 15 different shows. Has anyone else had this happen?

I had that happen with the 2 hour premiere last week. Since I have the series manager set to hold on to 7 episodes, it deleted most of it by the time I discovered it. Last night's episode was recorded in one 55 minute segment and one 5 minute segment. 3090 here as well. This is the only time I've experienced this behavior. Initially I thought that maybe I was getting some hits on 705 causing the recording to stop, then start again, but when viewing 705 live I see no evidence of that.

No, but I'd love to see a picture of what that looks like in the recorded program list. :eek:

A_C
Yea, it looked very odd. I was lucky to catch it live because it would have been annoying to watch through each 5-15min segments.

My box randomly rebooted itself this afternoon. I turned on my box and TV around 1:30 PM or so, and a few minutes minutes later, when I tried to change the channel, the box wouldn't accept any input from my remote. No matter what I pressed, nothing would happen. I thought maybe my remote batteries had died, as I went to remove them, my box rebooted. Box came back a few minutes later and everything was normal.

More fun with the 3090/Navigator. Last night I went to watch Entourage, which had been dvr'd on Sunday night. The first two minutes had been recorded and nothing else. I guess this is why we have On Demand. :rolleyes:

More fun with the 3090/Navigator. Last night I went to watch Entourage, which had been dvr'd on Sunday night. The first two minutes had been recorded and nothing else. I guess this is why we have On Demand. :rolleyes:

Yes, but what do you do if your onDemands don't work? Sigh. They are sending an "inside" techinician tomorrow. Don't know how this differs from their regular techs.

Ok, this is weird....I decided to DVR Hell's Kitchen last night on the 3090. The show recorded but recorded as 15 different shows. Has anyone else had this happen?

That SOUNDS like what can happen if the box spontaneously re-boots... when it comes back up, it starts a new recording for the scheduled program. But, I've never seen more than 2 segments.

Wonder if it may or may not have anything to do with the fact we seem to have an older version of ODN than some other areas seem to have...

That SOUNDS like what can happen if the box spontaneously re-boots... when it comes back up, it starts a new recording for the scheduled program. But, I've never seen more than 2 segments.

Wonder if it may or may not have anything to do with the fact we seem to have an older version of ODN than some other areas seem to have...

Box definitely did not reboot as the whole show recorded, just in multiple recordings.

Sounds like HDMI nonsense - the TV is probably signaling to the cable box that it is off, and the cable box is probably turning off on some level.

I get the idea behind intelligent cables, but personally I prefer good old 'dumb' cables. If I tell my cable box to stay on, I don't need my TV and cable box having a chat over the HDMI to decide what they think is best for me.

One more reason to stick with component cables.

Prior to Navigator, I never had this problem. I do not shut off my 8300, but apparently, it is turning off on its own after some period. This is a pain since I cannot set up the Universal remote’s macros to adjust for this anomaly. Now I have to turn on the system with two remotes. Doesn’t sound life threatening but it defeats the purpose of spending several hundred dollars on one remote (including the programming of it) to deal with everything.
And at this point, I don’t have the option to lose the HDMI and go with components.
Any suggestions or ideas?

Oh finally, someone else who has this problem. I had this problem in Apr/May for a month and a half before they fixed it -- unfortunately, don't know what they did. Had nothing to do with my box or my signal strength. Then on 7/15, problem cropped up again. Tech came and said it's not my box and signal if fine. He referred it to Engineering and told me that they would check the external signal on 7/24. Well it's 7/25 and it still doesn't work. Called TWC and was told that IT has the problem and to check back in 48 hours. BTW, my onDemands that don't work include my premium onD and CH 699. Curiously, CH 1009 does work. Also, not sure this is related, but my Start Over feature never worked. I have the SA8300HDC and am in downtown Brooklyn.
Zetachi, please post results of your tech visit. btw, what box and what nabe are you in?

Sorry was on vacation. Tech came to my house. Replaced all the splitters and all connections, checked signal strength etc still no luck. Then he asks where the signal Amp that another tech installed was. Removed that and low and behold problem fixed. Seems that when the put in the amp i was getting low throughput and high downstream. well the fixed the downstream and that made the amp unnecessary and it actually hurt the system. Pulled it out and now everything is working fine......For the time being as with TWC there is always something going wrong.

Kew Gardens NY and I have the 8300 DVR and a Samsung believe 3700 non DVR

Sorry was on vacation. Tech came to my house. Replaced all the splitters and all connections, checked signal strength etc still no luck. Then he asks where the signal Amp that another tech installed was. Removed that and low and behold problem fixed. Seems that when the put in the amp i was getting low throughput and high downstream. well the fixed the downstream and that made the amp unnecessary and it actually hurt the system. Pulled it out and now everything is working fine......For the time being as with TWC there is always something going wrong.

Kew Gardens NY and I have the 8300 DVR and a Samsung believe 3700 non DVR

Glad your system is working again. My tech comes tomorrow and I don't think I have an amplifier. What does it look like? Also, does your Start Over work and how about Ch 699. Even when they fixed my system previously, these two items never worked well. As a matter of fact, Start Over has never workded for me. Thanks for the info.

You're not dreaming; it's getting worse.

Previously, I just had audio dropouts on Fox; now I see it on at least half a dozen channels. Freezing and pixelation too.

I'd call support if I wasn't 100% certain it would be a waste of time.

A_CI've been experiencing the same issues and haven't bothered calling for the same reason. I've resorted to watching recorded shows with closed captioning on.

Glad your system is working again. My tech comes tomorrow and I don't think I have an amplifier. What does it look like? Also, does your Start Over work and how about Ch 699. Even when they fixed my system previously, these two items never worked well. As a matter of fact, Start Over has never workded for me. Thanks for the info.

Start over works, though I never have used it. The tech used that as a test. Said if that works then all the other 2 way stuff would work. Need to check 699.

Have you noticed a lot more "glitchage" in the past month or so? Some times just an audio drop out, sometimes both audio and video, sometimes a freeze that runs for 10-30 seconds? I can seem to go more than half an hour on ANY channel before I see this...

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! Some shows it's so bad I can hardly watch the show. It appears to be somewhat channel related. It is particularly bad on TNT. It's kind of bad (don't you love those technical terms) on most second tier cable channels like SyFy. It's pretty good on the big three networks and premiums (HBO, Shotime). I haven't watched much Fox this summer, but it was pretty bad towards the end of the regular season.

Sadly, these channel by channel recollections are just that (recollections). I feel like they are accurate, but I wish I'd been keeping a log.

-barry

If this one has been covered on another page, my apologies...BUT...ever since i got Navigatored, i can't see a way to DO this! Can someone explain it to me, please? It used to be so EASY to do a WEEKLY M-Fri series recording before we got this lovely upgrade. NOW i don't even SEE that option. :confused:

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! Some shows it's so bad I can hardly watch the show. It appears to be somewhat channel related. It is particularly bad on TNT. It's kind of bad (don't you love those technical terms) on most second tier cable channels like SyFy. It's pretty good on the big three networks and premiums (HBO, Shotime). I haven't watched much Fox this summer, but it was pretty bad towards the end of the regular season.

Sadly, these channel by channel recollections are just that (recollections). I feel like they are accurate, but I wish I'd been keeping a log.

-barry

Interesting... I see you're Man South, but what equipment/software? Scott B. is also in your head end but apparently hasn't seen the same issues as I.

Indeed, TNT can be singled out. BUT I still can see it on problem channels, even though traditionally those have been generally very good.

Interesting... I see you're Man South, but what equipment/software? Scott B. is also in your head end but apparently hasn't seen the same issues as I.

Indeed, TNT can be singled out. BUT I still can see it on problem channels, even though traditionally those have been generally very good.

Though I'm not a very good test. I don't vary my channel watching very much -- I mostly stick to NY1, CBS (for Letterman), HBO, Showtime, PBS (713) and Comedy Central. Those all seem to be fine for me -- i.e. nothing out of the ordinary. On the other hand, I did DVR something off of VH1 classic the other day and it was absolutely FILLED with glitches!

Scott

Ok, this is weird....I decided to DVR Hell's Kitchen last night on the 3090. The show recorded but recorded as 15 different shows. Has anyone else had this happen?

I've been having the same issue since picking my Sammy up in Queens Center. Hell's Kitchen and SYTYC Dance have been recording erratically - seems that the recording stops/starts at each commercial so you get 6-10+ different recordings.

I swapped my Sammy out last week and sure enough, SYTYC Dance recorded 8 times.

My assumption is that this only occurs on FOX.

I need to call TWC to have my Caller ID on TV turned back on and will mention the problem to the CSR. I doubt that will help.....

Yesterday I replaced my old STB because of problems with the DVR and got the new Samsung. Carefully set everything up, and then told it to record SYTYCD.

I thought I was going crazy when I tried to play it back. Six different recordings! Some only 2 minues long.

I'm glad to hear I'm not alone with this problem. But is there a fix?

Yesterday I replaced my old STB because of problems with the DVR and got the new Samsung. Carefully set everything up, and then told it to record SYTYCD.

I thought I was going crazy when I tried to play it back. Six different recordings! Some only 2 minues long.

I'm glad to hear I'm not alone with this problem. But is there a fix?

I called TWC to have my Caller ID reactivated. I had them transfer me to Cable Product Support. Product Support made notes for the Tech team. But they suggested that I call back on Tuesday after Hell Kitchen so they can see what the problem is. Their "solution" was a new box or dreaded technician visit.

Its obviously a software glitch with the Sammy. Hopefully, the more they are aware of the problem, the greater likelihood they will include a software fix.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/learn/cable/aug19changes.html

A convenient chart for the upcoming channel changes on August 19th

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/learn/cable/aug19changes.html

A convenient chart for the upcoming channel changes on August 19th

Ah, thanks, finally a presentation that one can actually see! Can't wait for TCM HD... so of course, now I'm jonesing for BBC-A HD!

I'm sad to see they are relegating CNN so "out of the way." It's been a fixture for 30+ years at 10. Of course, I'm reading how it is possible to set ODN/MDN up to only show the channel one wants in the Guide, although I think you have to manually add them to the Favorites list, so being able to display that list in the grid seems to be the actual change.. I think!

Interesting... I see you're Man South, but what equipment/software? Scott B. is also in your head end but apparently hasn't seen the same issues as I.

Indeed, TNT can be singled out. BUT I still can see it on problem channels, even though traditionally those have been generally very good.

I actually have one of each box (8300HD, 8300HDC, and 3090), but 75% of my watching is on the 8300HD (with an external drive), and that was what I was commenting about. The 8300HDC seems to be somewhat better. The 3090 is new, so I cannot yet comment. I'm going to swap the 3090 and the HDC, so that the 3090 is my #2 box. Hopefully that will give me more data.

I cannot make either Navigator box my main (living room) box because I need the external drive.

As an aside, the freezes have gotten bad enough that I'm actually looking forward to the upgrade in the hopes that it fixes (improves?) the problem. I was thrilled to read that the new Navigator for the 8300HD seems to support external drives.

-barry

Yes MDN still supports external drives. That could change in future versions. A newer version was deployed in my area and it still supports external drives.

I cannot make either Navigator box my main (living room) box because I need the external drive.

-barry

Barry, I've seen one post from someone saying they replaced the internal 160 drive with a 320 in a 3090 and had it work! In the US no less (Canadians seem to have little issues swapping internal drives). There was speculation an internal drive swap was limited to the 320 and Samsung actually claims 320 is the standard size (and TWC replaces the 320 with a 160, nice, eh?). The very first batch of 3090s that TWC deployed had 320 drives.

RG

Well the 3rd prong acts as a ground. Having a 3rd prong would require the box to use a 3 prong plug. The newer SA HDC boxes have a compromised PSU and not plugging in something is better. You could use an adapter but I wouldn't risk it. You have to unscrew the screw and screw the metal thing into it to act as a ground. Just something to think about.

I have an electrical background and work in the utility business so I am aware of the issues. Technically you are correct. However I have lived in old NY buildings for years, many of which were wired prior to grounded plugs (as well as some that had 3-pronged plugs where the ground wire was not grounded within the plug). I'll take the chance. There are much bigger risks in life - like crossing Queens Boulevard <LOL>.

I have an electrical background and work in the utility business so I am aware of the issues. Technically you are correct. However I have lived in old NY buildings for years, many of which were wired prior to grounded plugs (as well as some that had 3-pronged plugs where the ground wire was not grounded within the plug). I'll take the chance. There are much bigger risks in life - like crossing Queens Boulevard <LOL>.

That blue font is kinda =painful=?:(

Just realized that all the channel changes are coming 1 day before Project Runway moves to Lifetime. Lifetime is one of the big losers in the move down the dial and is being replaced at ch 12 by its biggest competitor, Oxygen.

Looks like all these moves are happening on 8/19 because Oxygen dictated when this was all going to go down.

... Samsung actually claims 320 is the standard size (and TWC replaces the 320 with a 160, nice, eh?). The very first batch of 3090s that TWC deployed had 320 drives.

Makes you wonder. Pure speculation, but maybe TWC figured if they rolled out 320GB drives, everyone with an existing box would come in to swap them out. So it's easier/cheaper to roll out 'crippled' new boxes ...

If this one has been covered on another page, my apologies...BUT...ever since i got Navigatored, i can't see a way to DO this! Can someone explain it to me, please? It used to be so EASY to do a WEEKLY M-Fri series recording before we got this lovely upgrade. NOW i don't even SEE that option. :confused:

Even tho NOBODY here replied, I just checked with the service rep in TWC-land, probably somewhere out there in CAN (eh?). Soap opera shows get the "series recording" option no problem, but the show i want to record, on SNY, is NOT getting it. He was clueless, did the re-booting thing which accomplished NOTHING, and said he would forward my issue to someone else who "will be working on it". Yeah. Right. Whatever. I'm not holding my breath. But for whatever reason, the Navigator is not recognizing this M-Fri show as a series! :mad:

I'm also losing my buffer when I shut off my TV since the update. Using HDMI cables and never had this problem before.

The five second replay function also doesn't seem so precise anymore.

Barry, I've seen one post from someone saying they replaced the internal 160 drive with a 320 in a 3090 and had it work! In the US no less (Canadians seem to have little issues swapping internal drives). There was speculation an internal drive swap was limited to the 320 and Samsung actually claims 320 is the standard size (and TWC replaces the 320 with a 160, nice, eh?). The very first batch of 3090s that TWC deployed had 320 drives.

RG

Interesting idea, although I hate to take the box apart. I might try it, though, depending on how well/poorly Navigator works on the 8300HD with an external drive.

Thanks for the tip,
-barry

Interesting idea, although I hate to take the box apart. I might try it, though, depending on how well/poorly Navigator works on the 8300HD with an external drive.

Thanks for the tip,
-barry

Sounds like a bad idea to take your cable box apart MacGyver :eek:

ok...so, i'm hoping to get some clarification...

i've read what i understand to be contradicting reports regarding navigator and PIP.
when the SA8300 HD gets navigatored....will we still have continually running dual buffers?

thanks, everyone

I'm also losing my buffer when I shut off my TV since the update. Using HDMI cables and never had this problem before.

The five second replay function also doesn't seem so precise anymore.

This happens to me as well using component cables so its not an HDMI only issue. I am guessing it has more to do with box inactivity than anything else because if you turn off your tv wait 30 seconds and turn it back on the buffer is still there (at least in my case). However, when I wake up in the morning and turn on the tv the buffer is gone even though the box has not been turned off.

ok...so, i'm hoping to get some clarification...

i've read what i understand to be contradicting reports regarding navigator and PIP.
when the SA8300 HD gets navigatored....will we still have continually running dual buffers?

thanks, everyone

Sort of since it works a little differently than before. Lets say you are watching HBO and have Showtime in your PIP. If the PIP window is open and displayed on your screen and you switch what you are watching from HBO to Stars then Showtime remains buffered in the PIP. However, if you do not have the PIP window open on your screen and you switch what you are watching from HBO to Stars, HBO gets moved to the PIP window retaining its buffer, but you loose Showtime.

This happens to me as well using component cables so its not an HDMI only issue. I am guessing it has more to do with box inactivity than anything else because if you turn off your tv wait 30 seconds and turn it back on the buffer is still there (at least in my case). However, when I wake up in the morning and turn on the tv the buffer is gone even though the box has not been turned off.


Strange indeed. I noticed my HDC box, if you don't touch the remote for a long time, will display a warning about going into 'sleep mode' or some such, and gives you a couple of choices. Never paid much attention, and never really saw it follow through, so I'm not sure what that really does (we leave the TV on the classical music for the baby, so I'm really not paying attention).

But maybe that's related to what's happening on the converted HD boxes - e.g. six hrs after you turn off your TV but leave the box on, the box displays a 'sleep mode' warning that you don't see b/c the TV is off and you're deep asleep; and since you don't react, it goes to sleep?

No options in the options dialogues to match?

On my HDMI connection the buffer is gone as soon as I turn off the TV.

I tried my other box that is connected with component cables. It doesn't lose the buffer. Strange

Ed

Strange indeed. I noticed my HDC box, if you don't touch the remote for a long time, will display a warning about going into 'sleep mode' or some such, and gives you a couple of choices. Never paid much attention, and never really saw it follow through, so I'm not sure what that really does (we leave the TV on the classical music for the baby, so I'm really not paying attention).

But maybe that's related to what's happening on the converted HD boxes - e.g. six hrs after you turn off your TV but leave the box on, the box displays a 'sleep mode' warning that you don't see b/c the TV is off and you're deep asleep; and since you don't react, it goes to sleep?

No options in the options dialogues to match?

I think this happens when you leave it on the same channel for a long time. I believe it fills up the hard drive and the box can no longer record what is being watched live. My box is like 80% and I only get that message when the drive is close to being full it seems

While watching NY1 News at about 10:00 AM this morning my 8300HD started displaying a bunch of Hex Numbers and just rebooted with Mystro... I'm in the UWS (Columbus and 88th St.) Still Initializing... Will report later with more details.

Now a blue messages box displaying a message saying... "Your old settings and recordings are being converted to a new format. DO NOT POWER OFF YOUR BOX! If this message persists for more than 30 minutes, please call Customer Service"...

While watching NY1 News at about 10:00 AM this morning my 8300HD started displaying a bunch of Hex Numbers and just rebooted with Mystro... I'm in the UWS (Columbus and 88th St.) Still Initializing... Will report later with more details.

Yeah my box is being updated as well

all done - i missed the update messages... i just caught the last minute of the Mystro loading screen

I have a lot of extra shows now scheduled to record (too must listed as new...)

But it seems any show currently on tv this week (new or not) survived on my series manager show list - so hopefully just about everything important survived (i had a lot of old cancelled shows still on there... those are all gone)

The box goes off... Turning it back on now... Yeap!... I got Mystro...

1. -The Favoritess are still there....
2. - My Recordings are still there... Except for one recording that has a title Unknown 3
3. - My scheduled recordings are still there.
4. - HD Channels are working and the resolution of the signal is displayed in the LEDs screen

1st Question... How do I get to the Diags Channel in Mystro on a 8300HD so that I can tell what version of Mystro I'm running?

Now I need to navigate the menus to find out what's new and figure out how to use the features. The menu navigation appear to be as fast as with Passport. Any issues, hints and tips I should be aware of?

ch 996

2.4.4

ch 996

2.4.4

Glad to hear they are using the same channel number for a single screen IPG version. BUT, there are more numbers... the MDN software is usually characterized with a 2.4.4.16 or 2.4.4.19, something like that.

HOWEVER, this has NOT happened to me... just checked 11 AM. Did give me a chance to update my written list of everything I had in series recordings (which seems to be a LOT) and d/l missing days so series recordings are in the schedule.

Of course, curious why I haven't gotten it yet... then again, it would make sense to "section" it even from the same head end. I'm guessing I'm farther north than you guys (100s by RSD)... but I should see it later today I'd guess. At this point, my biggest concern is preserving the stuff I already have recorded...

Forgot to ask... how does one get the extended diagnostics on MDN in our market? It seems/used to be different in different markets even with the same hardware/software

ch 996

2.4.4

Thanks. Doh!...same channel as in Passport. I got the same MDN Version: Atlas v2.4.4-16-ptv (Pyramid

So far the only big difference I noticed is that PIP does not re-size when the on-off button is pressed twice. Is there a different way to do this in MDN or is this one of those features that's gone?

I noticed that there is a TV Guide button where the C (Search) option used to be. Is there any way to access the TV Guide without a TV Guide specific button? I also noticed that the search (now B) allows one to search by category or using the Keyboard. It is nice to see that when one selects a show from a series the show descriptions shows if the episode is "New.

What else is new in this version of MDN as compared to Passport 2.6.002?

Glad to hear they are using the same channel number for a single screen IPG version. BUT, there are more numbers... the MDN software is usually characterized with a 2.4.4.16 or 2.4.4.19, something like that.

HOWEVER, this has NOT happened to me... just checked 11 AM. Did give me a chance to update my written list of everything I had in series recordings (which seems to be a LOT) and d/l missing days so series recordings are in the schedule.

Of course, curious why I haven't gotten it yet... then again, it would make sense to "section" it even from the same head end. I'm guessing I'm farther north than you guys (100s by RSD)... but I should see it later today I'd guess. At this point, my biggest concern is preserving the stuff I already have recorded...

I'm 96th st... not that far...

and its v2.4.4-16

I got the same MDN Version: Atlas v2.4.4-16-ptv (Pyramid





It has begun….


Manhattan is now being invaded by the Pyramid!!!



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Unless someone knows of a better diagnostic page that allows for manual tuning (or at least shows the QAM/ch of a channel).... looks like this is the end of my spreadsheet.

While watching NY1 News at about 10:00 AM this morning my 8300HD started displaying a bunch of Hex Numbers and just rebooted with Mystro... I'm in the UWS (Columbus and 88th St.) Still Initializing... Will report later with more details.

Is Mystro something that is system-wide? Should i be getting it here in Queens, soon? I just went to ch 996, went through all 6 pages, and there is NOTHING THERE with the words MYSTRO or NAVIGATOR, let alone anything with the word "version" or "v" next to it.

Thanks. Doh!...same channel as in Passport. I got the same MDN Version: Atlas v2.4.4-16-ptv (Pyramid

So far the only big difference I noticed is that PIP does not re-size when the on-off button is pressed twice. Is there a different way to do this in MDN or is this one of those features that's gone?



OH YES, =now= i see i have the identical version of Atlas v2.4.4, etc...and i've HAD this issue with the ONE-size PIP for a couple weeks now...:(

OH YES, =now= i see i have the identical version of Atlas v2.4.4, etc...and i've HAD this issue with the ONE-size PIP for a couple weeks now...:(:( :mad: Yeah... Bk and Queens "got it" :rolleyes: around July 14th (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16822025#post16822025).

:( :mad: Yeah... Bk and Queens "got it" :rolleyes: around July 14th (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16822025#post16822025).

Wow..."lucky" us! :(:mad:

OH YES, =now= i see i have the identical version of Atlas v2.4.4, etc...and i've HAD this issue with the ONE-size PIP for a couple weeks now...:(

And of course, i've discovered that this version doesn't "recognize" some M-Fri programming as a "series recording"(!) :mad::eek:

Unless someone knows of a better diagnostic page that allows for manual tuning (or at least shows the QAM/ch of a channel).... looks like this is the end of my spreadsheet.

Can't tune but hold down select on remote until mail icon appears on the box and then press down arrow. 14 pages of diagnostics. Better than 996. I believe there is another diag screen but I do not know how to get to it. When TW came to check my signal and fix my phone he did something and I saw a screen I never saw b4 which i think you could possibly tune on. Unfortunately he would not tell me how to get there.

Can't tune but hold down select on remote until mail icon appears on the box and then press down arrow. 14 pages of diagnostics. Better than 996. I believe there is another diag screen but I do not know how to get to it. When TW came to check my signal and fix my phone he did something and I saw a screen I never saw b4 which i think you could possibly tune on. Unfortunately he would not tell me how to get there.

I see.... I guess this is the function we had in Passport when one would press and hold the Exit key until Diags was displayed in the box. One had to press Exit and then switch to channel 1999 to see the extended diags pages.

What I just noticed is that if a channel has been on for "some" amount of time a Start Over Press Select message appears when I change to that channel. When one presses Select it brings up the Enhanced TV window with options to:

Start Over
Recently Aired
DVR Show List
Guide
Exit

Does anyone know if there is an specific amount of time one has to wait to have a buffer long enough to activate this functions or if this is a function I set some where in the settings? As of now, I only see this message displayed in channel 1 which I have been sort of watching for a half hour or so.

Start Over is not buffer based, but comes in over the cable.

-barry

Start Over is not buffer based, but comes in over the cable.

-barry

In other words there is no way to determine/predetermine which channel has/gets the Start Over function?

Btw, did TWC announce this upgrade to all subscribers?... I never got any notices. I knew it was in the pipeline because I follow this thread once in a while. Is there a hard copy pamphlet or online set of instructions on how to use Mystro (MDN). The wife is going to think that this is a software upgrade I made to the box. She hates it when I upgrade the software/firmware to computers, Smartphones and gadgets around the house without telling her first. I need a user's guide or reference that I can give her so that I don't have to train her myself.

In other words there is no way to determine/predetermine which channel has/gets the Start Over function?

Btw, did TWC announce this upgrade to all subscribers?... I never got any notices. I knew it was in the pipeline because I follow this thread once in a while. Is there a hard copy pamphlet or online set of instructions on how to use Mystro (MDN). The wife is going to think that this is a software upgrade I made to the box. She hates it when I upgrade the software/firmware to computers, Smartphones and gadgets around the house without telling her first. I need a user's guide or reference that I can give her so that I don't have to train her myself.

There was an announcement back in June that it would be coming

I have not followed this thread in a while, so have not kept up with the latest news. I received in the mail yesterday a note from Time Warner that they will be "upgrading" everyone to the Navigator software.

I remember reading that there were lots of issues with it.
particularly, the live buffer does not work and changing channels were alot slower than the passport software. Have they fixed these issues?
Are there any other issues i need to be aware of?

In other words there is no way to determine/predetermine which channel has/gets the Start Over function?

Btw, did TWC announce this upgrade to all subscribers?... I never got any notices. I knew it was in the pipeline because I follow this thread once in a while. Is there a hard copy pamphlet or online set of instructions on how to use Mystro (MDN). The wife is going to think that this is a software upgrade I made to the box. She hates it when I upgrade the software/firmware to computers, Smartphones and gadgets around the house without telling her first. I need a user's guide or reference that I can give her so that I don't have to train her myself.

I received the notice and a pamplet on how to use the software in the mail (USPS)

I received the notice and a pamplet on how to use the software in the mail (USPS)

Was it a separated mailing or did it come with your bill? I got July's bill a while ago and there was no such notice or pamphlet in the envelope . Maybe it'll come with this month's bill. In the meantime, does anyone know if there's an online user's guide to MDN?

I have not followed this thread in a while, so have not kept up with the latest news. I received in the mail yesterday a note from Time Warner that they will be "upgrading" everyone to the Navigator software.

I remember reading that there were lots of issues with it.
particularly, the live buffer does not work and changing channels were alot slower than the passport software. Have they fixed these issues?
Are there any other issues i need to be aware of?

-changing the channels is no longer an issue

-live buffer works, but not the same as it used to (2nd tuner buffer not turned on unless PIP is active - and no buffer at all when the box is off)

I have not followed this thread in a while, so have not kept up with the latest news. I received in the mail yesterday a note from Time Warner that they will be "upgrading" everyone to the Navigator software.

I remember reading that there were lots of issues with it.
particularly, the live buffer does not work and changing channels were alot slower than the passport software. Have they fixed these issues?
Are there any other issues i need to be aware of?

From what I seen, so far, changing channels is just as fast as with passport, the online menus are a lot more readable, from the Guide pressing "A" takes you to the Access Menu with the following functions:

DVR Show List
Answers On Demand (The instructional Videos here are still for the old remote and Passport)
Program Guide (You just left this menu)
Find Shows (Same as pressing "B" in the Guide)
Settings

Pressing the Menu button in the remote also brings you to the Access Menu.

Pressing "B" from the Guide allows you to search by Category or by Title using the Keyboard Search

To the far right there is what "appears" to be a TV Guide option, but my remote has not such button.

I noticed that pressing Exit from some of these sub-menus takes you out of the menus and there is no specific button, I can find, to just go back one level in some menus.... But I could have missed it.

Pressing "List"

Shows you a similar list of recorded programs as in Passport, but they can be sorted by date or title. There is also a recording log. The menu as I mentioned before is a lot clearer and the fonts are more pleasant to the eye.

Pressing "Help" does not take you anywhere.

Found something else that annoys me. Arrrggg! Pressing FAV in the Guide takes you out of the Guide to navigate the Favorites. Please tell me there is a setting or a key to navigate the Favorites in the guide.

EDIT: Is there a place where I can find a list that identifies all of the channels that have Start Over?

In other words there is no way to determine/predetermine which channel has/gets the Start Over function?

I'm far from an expert on this, but I think which channels are included depends on which channels have an agreement with TWC. If the show is part of the Start Over program, then that option is offered to you any time you tune in late.

I also believe that when you start a program over, you are prevented from using FF to bypass commercials (or program for that matter).

-barry

I'm far from an expert on this, but I think which channels are included depends on which channels have an agreement with TWC. If the show is part of the Start Over program, then that option is offered to you any time you tune in late.

I also believe that when you start a program over, you are prevented from using FF to bypass commercials (or program for that matter).

-barry

Thanks... now is starting to make some sense. While you were replying I edited my previous post asking if there was a list of channels that, now I guess, have an agreement with TWC.

I'm 96th st... not that far...

and its v2.4.4-16

Not at all, a scant 8 blocks south!

Just checked... still on Passport. As it seems pretty much all of these upgrades happen around 10 AM, I guess I'm going to be tomorrow (or maybe overnight??). Odd because we really are very close considering the whole of Man North!

Thanks... now is starting to make some sense. While you were replying I edited my previous post asking if there was a list of channels that, now I guess, have an agreement with TWC.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/customerservice/clu/clu.ashx


'Start Over enabled'

-changing the channels is no longer an issue

-live buffer works, but not the same as it used to (2nd tuner buffer not turned on unless PIP is active - and no buffer at all when the box is off)

So that should mean the drive goes totally silent when the box is off?

http://www.timewarnercable.com/customerservice/clu/clu.ashx 'Start Over enabled'

Thanks Berk32.

Now that we're all getting MDN my next question is... Does MDN perform better in the newer boxes... SA 8300HDC, 4250HDC and Samsung HD 3050? Given that these also get the "Virtual Video Store" channels I "assume" that there is a hardware (memory or other) difference that allows them to run a different version of MDN or an MDN Option which give them access to these channels.

Thanks Berk32.

Now that we're all getting MDN my next question is... Does MDN perform better in the newer boxes... SA 8300HDC, 4250HDC and Samsung HD 3050? Given that these also get the "Virtual Video Store" channels I "assume" that there is a hardware (memory or other) difference that allows them to run a different version of MDN or an MDN Option which give them access to these channels.

MDN is for the older boxes, HDC and the new Samsung use the "ODN" version of navigator. HDC and Samsung have cable cards in the back.

Just got navigatored on the UES. Haven't played with it much yet but I guess it'll do. Sure would be nice if they could provide a widescreen option of the channel guide some day...still so much wasted space.

Just got navigatored on the UES. Haven't played with it much yet but I guess it'll do. Sure would be nice if they could provide a widescreen option of the channel guide some day...still so much wasted space.

That wont ever happen with MDN. The 8300HD only renders graphics up to 640x480. ODN may eventually support it with newer boxes.

That wont ever happen with MDN. The 8300HD only renders graphics up to 640x480. ODN may eventually support it with newer boxes.

Interesting...I'd be happy to swap out the box if they upgrade it on the newer Samsungs or similar.

The Samsung 3090 has a widescreen UI but it's stretch-o-vision. It's a 4:3 guide stretched to 16:9.

Today I received a mailing from Time Warner on Staten Island with a pamphlet describing Navigator. This is the first time I have received any notice of Navigator. However, I have recently switched to 2 TiVo HD XLs so I won't have the dubious pleasure of experiencing Navigator.

Cynthia

Well, after a few hours of use here is what I have found as I compare MDN to Passport.

The Keyboard Search is not intelligent. All the keyboard keys remain active even after selecting them would not produce any possible matches.

When a specific show is found the word "New" is displayed in the description when the next new episode is highlighted.

It appears to me that the Fast Rewind/Forward is not as fast and accurate as with Passport. It might just be my perception.

I like that in the List view the percentage of disk space left is displayed in the lower left hand of the picture window.

I like the idea of the recording log, but it only provides information about who deleted the recording. An option to recover a recording right after it has been deleted by mistake would have been nice.

Sorry for being so impatient, but I have yet to hear any comments about how to access the TV Guide icon in the Guide. Maybe this option is only available in some DVR models or to users with subscriptions to TWC RR Internet Service. I also still have not heard if there is a solution to the inability to navigate the favorites channels while still in the Guide... The lack of this function is killing me.

Btw, a while back the thread-recommended setup for Passport was to let it pass all the available output resolutions to the TV and let the TV do the conversion and to set the Picture Size to Normal and the Aspect Ratio to 4X3 even if one's flat TV had an aspect ratio is 16x9. Do these recommendations still hold with MDN?... These settings appear to be working just fine with my AV system... as far as I can tell.

Welcome to the MDN club.

Got my navigator notice in the snail mail today in the west village. Guess it's coming "soon"?

Got my navigator notice in the snail mail today in the west village. Guess it's coming "soon"?
got mine too... in Union Square.

Was it a separated mailing or did it come with your bill? I got July's bill a while ago and there was no such notice or pamphlet in the envelope . Maybe it'll come with this month's bill. In the meantime, does anyone know if there's an online user's guide to MDN?

It came in a separate mailing.
I received it on Monday, so maybe yours is still in the queue to be sent out.

Just got navigatored on the UES. Haven't played with it much yet but I guess it'll do. Sure would be nice if they could provide a widescreen option of the channel guide some day...still so much wasted space.

How far north? Seems I did NOT get MDNed last night, and it still hasn't happened today (10:00 AM).

It came in a separate mailing.
I received it on Monday, so maybe yours is still in the queue to be sent out.

Weird... just checked my mailbox, no notice. Got my bill, nothing in it... but I DID get a flyer last month saying it was "coming."

I DID get a paper with the bill listing the 8/19 channel changes... I think this is the first time I've ever seen such a notice. BTW, it lists 6 new HD channels.

Still no MDN for me. Yet.

FYI, I am on the UWS at 66th St. Just turned on my tv and indeed, the whole dvr info is completely different. Happened overnight since I watched the programs on the dvr at 11 pm last night. Am recording now so can't check it out further.

Mystro downloaded about 10:10 am here at midtown East. Retained all my 8300HD recordings but had to reset a few operation parameters. Noticed, with my TWC phone service, there's now an option for caller ID (on screen?); thought that required one of the newer STBs? My saved HDNet resolution wedges appear about the same (~1424 lines max horiz.) via YPbPr on a 1080p plasma capable of 1920X1080; (only ~1335 with a HDMI input). -- John

EDIT: Also, seemed stuck in 480p-mode status until a reset to 1080i a few times, pressing the A button to confirm display quality. And MSNBC-HD (714) was missing from the HD menu for a while, then just appeared. [The latter, with help from C.S., was caused by not setting the new favorite-channel option to ALL, which also omitted many other channels from the menu.]

Beyond furious. They apparently deleted 10 of my saved HD recordings. Under Recording Log, it displays the show and says "deleted to make space for new recording", which is ridiculous because, as of last night, there was plenty of available space. In addition, in the Show List, there is a listing for Unknown 16 with a Star next to it. The idiot on the phone was useless. I am waiting for a supervisor but that will be useless too. Is there a space difference between Passport and Mystro such that it would delete 10 recordings???

I have had it. I am getting TiVo, which I can also use with Fios.

Well, after a few hours of use here is what I have found as I compare MDN to Passport.

The Keyboard Search is not intelligent. All the keyboard keys remain active even after selecting them would not produce any possible matches.

When a specific show is found the word "New" is displayed in the description when the next new episode is highlighted.

It appears to me that the Fast Rewind/Forward is not as fast and accurate as with Passport. It might just be my perception.

I like that in the List view the percentage of disk space left is displayed in the lower left hand of the picture window.

I like the idea of the recording log, but it only provides information about who deleted the recording. An option to recover a recording right after it has been deleted by mistake would have been nice.

Sorry for being so impatient, but I have yet to hear any comments about how to access the TV Guide icon in the Guide. Maybe this option is only available in some DVR models or to users with subscriptions to TWC RR Internet Service. I also still have not heard if there is a solution to the inability to navigate the favorites channels while still in the Guide... The lack of this function is killing me.

Btw, a while back the thread-recommended setup for Passport was to let it pass all the available output resolutions to the TV and let the TV do the conversion and to set the Picture Size to Normal and the Aspect Ratio to 4X3 even if one's flat TV had an aspect ratio is 16x9. Do these recommendations still hold with MDN?... These settings appear to be working just fine with my AV system... as far as I can tell.

The guide is from TV guide it is not an icon that does anything just a logo. Why would you set it to 4:3 if you have a 16:9 TV?

I just checked and sometime between late last night and now (1:00pm) I got converted. It looks like everything worked well (fingers crossed) but I have only done a cursory check. The good news is that the external drive seems to be working perfectly. HURRAY!

-barry

I just traded in my 8300HD box for a Sammy 3090.

Now that I can't manually tune into any QAM/Ch like I could on the old 8300 software, there was no point in keeping the box... since I'd have to set up about half of my series recordings anyways.

It was a great 4 years.

I just traded in my 8300HD box for a Sammy 3090.

Now that I can't manually tune into any QAM/Ch like I could on the old 8300 software, there was no point in keeping the box... since I'd have to set up about half of my series recordings anyways.

It was a great 4 years.

Welcome to Sammy's World. Could you record an hour show on FOX and see if it segments the show into several recordings? I am curious if this is an isolated incident, a hardware issue, or even a software issue?

So You Think You Can Dance recorded in 10 segments last night....that made for fun viewing.

I just traded in my 8300HD box for a Sammy 3090.

Now that I can't manually tune into any QAM/Ch like I could on the old 8300 software, there was no point in keeping the box... since I'd have to set up about half of my series recordings anyways.

It was a great 4 years.

I don’t have QAM...but i =do= continue having the 8300HD box...is there any point in me trading in the 8300 for the Sammy 3090? Are there improvements in PQ, something tangible like that? :confused: