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imws
12-24-09, 01:15 PM
Has anyone compared FIOS to TWC directly? I have TWC and my family in NNJ has FIOS. TWC HD stations look a lot better than the same stations on FIOS. Not sure what is going on with FIOS but the HD is subpar IMO at my family's home, only a handful of stations look like TWC HD. CBSHD, DISCHD, DiscHDT look like they should but for the most part the HD on FIOS is lacking detail, fuzzy with visible compression artifacts. Now this was not always the case, back in February FIOS at the same house looked amazing and now it is awful. The internet is still blazing fast 21+Mbps for uploads and downloads. There's no macro blocking our pixelization to speak just very DVD like HD on most of the stations.

justlou
12-24-09, 02:19 PM
Has anyone compared FIOS to TWC directly? I have TWC and my family in NNJ has FIOS. TWC HD stations look a lot better than the same stations on FIOS. Not sure what is going on with FIOS but the HD is subpar IMO at my family's home, only a handful of stations look like TWC HD. CBSHD, DISCHD, DiscHDT look like they should but for the most part the HD on FIOS is lacking detail, fuzzy with visible compression artifacts. Now this was not always the case, back in February FIOS at the same house looked amazing and now it is awful. The internet is still blazing fast 21+Mbps for uploads and downloads. There's no macro blocking our pixelization to speak just very DVD like HD on most of the stations.

I just switched from TWC to FiOS due to TWC's poor HD quality, and there is no comparison in HD quality. (at least for me) Every one of my FiOS HD channles looks amazing. No pixelization of macroblocking on any of them. My last few months at TWC were a nightmare. Many of the HD channels were unwatchable due to heavy macroblocking. Mostly the sports channels. I doubt my HD picture could be any better than it currently is with FiOS.

LL3HD
12-24-09, 03:46 PM
Has anyone compared FIOS to TWC directly? I have TWC and my family in NNJ has FIOS. TWC HD stations look a lot better than the same stations on FIOS. Not sure what is going on with FIOS but the HD is subpar IMO at my family's home, only a handful of stations look like TWC HD. CBSHD, DISCHD, DiscHDT look like they should but for the most part the HD on FIOS is lacking detail, fuzzy with visible compression artifacts. Now this was not always the case, back in February FIOS at the same house looked amazing and now it is awful. The internet is still blazing fast 21+Mbps for uploads and downloads. There's no macro blocking our pixelization to speak just very DVD like HD on most of the stations.
I’ll betcha’ dollars for donuts that their set up is wrong.

Have them go into
Menu > settings > video settings > video format > and then ask them what it is set on. ;)

This is taking for granted that they are properly hooked up with HDMI or component cables. FIOS is better than TW hands down.

imws
12-24-09, 03:48 PM
...No pixelization of macroblocking on any of them...I doubt my HD picture could be any better than it currently is with FiOS.

Watching today I did see pixelization during fast motion scenes but that's the case with TWC as well. It's the apparent lack of details and overall a low resolution picture that is troubling. It's looks more like DVD than HD to be honest. I watched Deck the Halls on FXHD the other night on TWC on my front projector and it was very detailed and clean looking. Last night FXHD showed it again and this time I caught it on FIOS and it looked very soft. I just don't know what to make of it. I'm watching Black Sheep now on HBOCOMW and its the same story. I had watched this recently on TWC and it was a decent HD transfer. Here on FIOS it's just not the same.

imws
12-24-09, 03:53 PM
I’ll betcha’ dollars for donuts that their set up is wrong.

Have them go into
Menu > settings > video settings > video format > and then ask them what it is set on. ;)

This is taking for granted that they are properly hooked up with HDMI or component cables. FIOS is better than TW hands down.

No that's not it, it's set to 1080i 16:9 and they are using HDMI cables. What's interesting is that back in February it looked way better than my TWC setup and now it doesn't so something changed.

LL3HD
12-24-09, 04:01 PM
No that's not it, it's set to 1080i 16:9 and they are using HDMI cables. What's interesting is that back in February it looked way better than my TWC setup and now it doesn't so something changed.
I understand, but just ask them, assuming you’re not there, to check this again. The reason I mention this is because I have this happening to me every time I turn on my system. It has something to do with me updating either my KURO 151 or my Yamaha RX-Z7. Both are several months old but need the new downloaded firmware or whatever the heck it’s called. I’m just too lazy to hook up an Ethernet cable and play with it. The STB constantly reverts back to 480. No big deal. I just flip it back.

imws
12-24-09, 04:30 PM
I understand, but just ask them, assuming you’re not there, to check this again. The reason I mention this is because I have this happening to me every time I turn on my system. It has something to do with me updating either my KURO 151 or my Yamaha RX-Z7. Both are several months old but need the new downloaded firmware or whatever the heck it’s called. I’m just too lazy to hook up an Ethernet cable and play with it. The STB constantly reverts back to 480. No big deal. I just flip it back.

I'm over there now and I checked it myself and it was fine. It must be something local that is causing this perhaps with the VHO or with this particular install.

LL3HD
12-24-09, 04:33 PM
I'm over there now and I checked it myself and it was fine. It must be something local that is causing this perhaps with the VHO or with this particular install.Thanks for checking. :cool:
That is strange, must be a local problem. There is a test (but you probably already know this :D ) that you can also do in the menu to check the signal etc. Good luck. :)

justlou
12-24-09, 04:35 PM
Watching today I did see pixelization during fast motion scenes but that's the case with TWC as well. It's the apparent lack of details and overall a low resolution picture that is troubling. It's looks more like DVD than HD to be honest. I watched Deck the Halls on FXHD the other night on TWC on my front projector and it was very detailed and clean looking. Last night FXHD showed it again and this time I caught it on FIOS and it looked very soft. I just don't know what to make of it. I'm watching Black Sheep now on HBOCOMW and its the same story. I had watched this recently on TWC and it was a decent HD transfer. Here on FIOS it's just not the same.

I don't know. You say you're comparing it at someone else's house. It could be their HDTV, not the source.

godfreyb
12-24-09, 04:36 PM
Has anyone compared FIOS to TWC directly? I have TWC and my family in NNJ has FIOS. TWC HD stations look a lot better than the same stations on FIOS. Not sure what is going on with FIOS but the HD is subpar IMO at my family's home, only a handful of stations look like TWC HD. CBSHD, DISCHD, DiscHDT look like they should but for the most part the HD on FIOS is lacking detail, fuzzy with visible compression artifacts. Now this was not always the case, back in February FIOS at the same house looked amazing and now it is awful. The internet is still blazing fast 21+Mbps for uploads and downloads. There's no macro blocking our pixelization to speak just very DVD like HD on most of the stations.

I had FIOS installed last weekend in Manhattan. Now that the installation problems are over (I cannot fault Verizon for doing everything they could until they succeeded) the picture is startling better when compared to TWC. My four year old Sharp LCD postively sparkles whereas before the definition was not as good and the picture appeared faded. Now it is as if every little pixel is its own starburst! I am even getting more used to the guide. The response from the remote is so rapid that fast forwarding through the ads took me halfway through the next segment.
Internet is 35 Mbps. I am more than satisfied with FIOS.

Riverside_Guy
12-25-09, 10:34 AM
MERRY CHRISTMAS
...and Happy Holidays to all my buds!

LL3HD
12-25-09, 10:42 AM
MERRY CHRISTMAS
...and Happy Holidays to all my buds!

+ 1

To you too and peace and joy to all! .. and of course pristine pq. ;)

ANGEL 35
12-25-09, 11:15 AM
MERRY CHRISTMAS
...and Happy Holidays to all my buds!

+2:cool:

bearman
12-25-09, 10:29 PM
Merry Christmas Everyone! Anyone in Flushing having issues? Or maybe my 8300HD is dying. My guide has no listing and my local channels are not working. If I have to go get my 8300HD replaced, which one should I be replacing it with from TW?

Thanks for the help.

John Mason
12-26-09, 02:20 PM
Has anyone compared FIOS to TWC directly? I have TWC and my family in NNJ has FIOS. TWC HD stations look a lot better than the same stations on FIOS. Not sure what is going on with FIOS but the HD is subpar IMO at my family's home, only a handful of stations look like TWC HD. CBSHD, DISCHD, DiscHDT look like they should but for the most part the HD on FIOS is lacking detail, fuzzy with visible compression artifacts. Now this was not always the case, back in February FIOS at the same house looked amazing and now it is awful. The internet is still blazing fast 21+Mbps for uploads and downloads. There's no macro blocking our pixelization to speak just very DVD like HD on most of the stations.
Suppose both displays used for the NNJ FIOS/TWC-NYC were reasonably close in capabilities, preferably 1080p, even though final effective resolution isn't anywhere near that at either location.

Did a 1-year-back search in the NYC Verizon thread (for "PQ") and noted more complaints about PQ (image sharpness) than usual--although favorable comments, as in most posts, outnumbered the complaints.

Reads like something's amiss for the NNJ head end (or home system) if detail is lacking and there are motion artifacts, too. Averaging HD channels visually seems a sure test. But, since NNJ FIOS presumably still gets HDNet's Saturday am test pattern, wonder if they're getting less than what NYC TWC used to pipe out before dropping HDNet. Recall you measured ~1335 lines/16:9 (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8865051#post8865051) with a Sony Ruby FP. This spring, with a new 1080p Panny plasma, I measured ~1440 lines (max horiz. res.) with a HDNet pattern stored on my 8300HD (and a full 1920X1080 with a Blu-ray test disc). A few years back someone on the local Verizon system reported measuring ~1440 with the HDNet pattern. A few AVS posts over the years, from smaller cable systems, mention nearly 1920X1080 resolution from HDNet patterns. -- John

DNINE
12-26-09, 07:39 PM
I am seriously thinking of Canceling most of the Premium Movie Channels. I can't tell if it is the lack of interesting/new Content or the Navigator Software Most of the Ch's aren't HD so I don't even bother checking to see what's on ShowtimeNext or StarzCinema. It just seems I'm getting less or the same while they continue to raise the rates.

Riverside_Guy
12-27-09, 09:15 AM
I am seriously thinking of Canceling most of the Premium Movie Channels. I can't tell if it is the lack of interesting/new Content or the Navigator Software Most of the Ch's aren't HD so I don't even bother checking to see what's on ShowtimeNext or StarzCinema. It just seems I'm getting less or the same while they continue to raise the rates.

Have thought the same thoughts... drop them all and get a Netflix sub. One thing holding me back... original programming. Both HBO & SHO do a lot of what I consider excellent original series.

A big negative for TWC is they seem to refuse to carry any premium channels HD VPOD channel. FiOS does, TWC does not.

As for HD, we do get multiple channels for each one and I have zero issues about HD, can't remember anything that was not. AFAIK, Netflix is still ramping up to speed on BD discs.

coreynyc
12-28-09, 08:52 AM
I had to call TWC today because I was having a problem with Road Runner. While my computer was rebooting, the CSR started asking me about the TWC/Fox dispute. I told him that they better get it straightened out and that all I know is that TWC keeps raising rates and it sounds like to me that Fox is actually correct in its claims. He then told me to go visit their propaganda website.

I cannot believe that TWC has the gall to use service calls as an opportunity to brainwash their customers

DNINE
12-28-09, 09:44 AM
There definitely is some great shows on HBO and Showtime! Dexter is one of my favorites. No Commercials can't be beat. I just think the Premium Networks should be doing a little better with New content. I would prefer less channels take away the Zones and Ultras. The way things are going any HD Movie will be available for download at some point.

They do have some Nuts to ask about Fox during a serice call!

pdroth
12-28-09, 12:10 PM
So I had enough of my constant audio dropouts/pixelation on almost every channel so logged the DoITT complaint. All I can say is WOW!!

I actually have someone from TWC who actually cares and is checking in with me regularly to see how things are going.

Do me a favor ... and do YOURSELF a favor too - log a complaint if you are having this problem also. Their office is not that big and if more people call in from around the city to report this via DoITT then maybe it will finally get escalated properly. For now, they are insisting the problem is in my wiring which I know is BS since the problem started only a few months ago when we were blessed with Navigator.l

Agent_C
12-28-09, 12:23 PM
So I had enough of my constant audio dropouts/pixelation on almost every channel so logged the DoITT complaint. All I can say is WOW!!

I actually have someone from TWC who actually cares and is checking in with me regularly to see how things are going.

Do me a favor ... and do YOURSELF a favor too - log a complaint if you are having this problem also. Their office is not that big and if more people call in from around the city to report this via DoITT then maybe it will finally get escalated properly. For now, they are insisting the problem is in my wiring which I know is BS since the problem started only a few months ago when we were blessed with Navigator.l

Don't get seduced by all the sunshine and daisies they blow up your hind quarters; they're all too good at that... Stick to the objective facts and tell us when they actually resolve your problem.

A_C

Douglasy
12-29-09, 12:36 PM
A tech just came to replace my H3090 (it was having an error that would prevent trick play/rewinding), and they replaced the 160GB with the 320GB, so they are giving them out.

One oddity-- I can no longer record programs on CurrentTV (channel 103). Is this something new that you have seen, or an error? My last box was fine with it.

Riverside_Guy
12-29-09, 01:17 PM
A tech just came to replace my H3090 (it was having an error that would prevent trick play/rewinding), and they replaced the 160GB with the 320GB, so they are giving them out.

One oddity-- I can no longer record programs on CurrentTV (channel 103). Is this something new that you have seen, or an error? My last box was fine with it.

The guy had a 320G 3090 on his truck? WOW.

Next guy who goes to 23rd street, give us a report as to what they have... please!

OSUBuckly
12-29-09, 02:34 PM
Next guy who goes to 23rd street, give us a report as to what they have... please!

I plan on going to 23rd St tomorrow to try to change out my 8300HD for a Samsung unit. I'll report back what I find out.

Douglasy
12-29-09, 02:37 PM
I actually got my original 3090 box really early on in the distribution from a truck. I'd guess it's good customer service-- put the most modern boxes out to those experiencing enough trouble to complain...

Berk32
12-29-09, 03:58 PM
I have a brand new installation happening tomorrow afternoon (moving in the morning).
(getting an overall serivce discount thanks to the condo :) )

Gonna end up with a DVR off the truck.

I'll let ya'll know what I end up with.

Riverside_Guy
12-30-09, 12:14 PM
I have a brand new installation happening tomorrow afternoon (moving in the morning).
(getting an overall serivce discount thanks to the condo :) )

Gonna end up with a DVR off the truck.

I'll let ya'll know what I end up with.

Cool... leaving Man North?

I once looked into some building wide thing (I'm on my co-op board) but at 39 units, we were way too small for TWC to consider it.

It was about a month ago that my aunt ordered DVR... "off the truck" she got a 8300HD. Didn't someone just mention they got a 320G 3090 "off the truck?"

coreynyc
12-30-09, 12:44 PM
Time Warner Cable Offers Binding Arbitration In Fox Dispute
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091230-705315.html


By Nat Worden
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Time Warner Cable Inc. (TWC) said in a letter to Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday that it's willing to submit its dispute with News Corp.'s (NWS, NWSA) Fox Broadcasting over carriage fees to binding arbitration before the Federal Communications Commission in order to prevent any programming disruptions for its customers.

The proposal came in response to a recent letter from Sen. Kerry to both companies suggesting binding arbitration and other measures to prevent a service disruption for customers in Time Warner Cable markets if the two sides are unable to reach an agreement before their current contract ends at midnight, Jan. 1.

If the companies can't reach a deal before that deadline, Fox's signal could be pulled from Time Warner Cable's systems, leaving millions of customers around the country without access to popular programming, like National Football League playoff games, college bowl games and new seasons of shows like "American Idol" and "24."

"We do not want customers waking up on the first day of the New Year wanting to watch football and instead finding that they have to take a trip to the electronics store to purchase a digital receiver in the hope that they receive a clear over the air signal," Kerry said in a letter dated Dec. 22.

Time Warner Cable, a company that has often expressed objection to government involvement in private business negotiations, said it would submit to binding arbitration and it would enter into an interim agreement with Fox to carry its signal beyond the current contract on terms that could be retroactively applied once negotiations are completed.

Time Warner Cable Chief Executive Glenn Britt wrote in his letter to the senator that "Time Warner Cable will agree to whatever interim steps are necessary to preserve consumers' uninterrupted access to Fox programming after our current agreement expires."

Fox spokespeople were unavailable for comment.

Miller Tabak & Co. analyst David Joyce said Time Warner Cable's offer is an effective negotiating tactic as the two sides seek to curry favor with consumers.

"This shows that Time Warner Cable is willing to compromise," Joyce said.

Fox is seeking fees of $1 per subscriber per month in return for its signal, an amount that would set a new precedent for the broadcast industry in its negotiations to receive subscription revenue from pay-TV operators. Time Warner Cable has signaled a willingness to pay something for Fox's signal, but the company has balked at the broadcaster's price.

With its programming costs rising steadily, Time Warner Cable is already suffering a loss of video subscribers because of the economic downturn and rising competition from telecommunications companies, like Verizon Inc. (VZ) and AT&T Inc. (T), satellite providers and others. A service disruption could leave more customers seeking alternatives.

For its part, Fox would likely suffer hefty financial losses from advertisers if it pulled its signal from Time Warner Cable, but the company is seeking more subscription revenue for its programming as the broadcast business suffers sharp declines in advertising amid the recession and the rise of digital media.

As chairman of the Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Communications, Technology and the Internet, Sen. Kerry has a history of involvement in disputes over carriage fees between TV networks and operators.

"If both parties conclude that the best alternative to a negotiated agreement is to have screens go dark for consumers, then they will have neglected the core interests of millions of households that subscribe to Time Warner Cable in affected markets," Sen. Kerry wrote. "As leaders of major companies that are FCC licensees and are obligated to serve the public interest, I hope and expect that you will resolve this matter consistent with those obligations."

coreynyc
12-30-09, 12:49 PM
Here's what I don't understand about this TWC/Fox dispute.

Didn't Fox pay TWC to move FX to channel 10 just a few months ago? They also got Fox Business a prime location right before Fox News at channel 43 about a year ago.

Wouldn't you think that these deals would have come as part of a larger "package deal" and thus avoiding the looming issue?

Gooddog
12-30-09, 02:17 PM
Fellow Hudson Valley members I swaped a regular SA box for a HD DVR at the TWC Store in Middletown NY, they gave me a Sammy 3090 320gb.

OSUBuckly
12-30-09, 02:55 PM
I plan on going to 23rd St tomorrow to try to change out my 8300HD for a Samsung unit. I'll report back what I find out.

Got the Samsung SMT-H3090 today from 23rd St. I take it the menus are supposed to be stretched out? Also, how can I tell what the hard drive capacity is?

Douglasy
12-30-09, 03:00 PM
Cool... leaving Man North?
It was about a month ago that my aunt ordered DVR... "off the truck" she got a 8300HD. Didn't someone just mention they got a 320G 3090 "off the truck?"

I did. Replacing the 160GB 3090 I had gotten off another truck.

Douglasy
12-30-09, 03:02 PM
Got the Samsung SMT-H3090 today from 23rd St. I take it the menus are supposed to be stretched out? Also, how can I tell what the hard drive capacity is?

Hold the select button on the remote for about 6 or 7 seconds, then push the up arrow and you'll be shown the diagnostics screen. Arrow down to DVR MGNT and press select and it will tell you.

Berk32
12-30-09, 04:21 PM
320gb hd :)


now i have to set up all my season recordings again (but it was worth it)

OSUBuckly
12-31-09, 12:08 AM
160 gb here.

That's ok. I never fill it up anyway.

daniels1994
12-31-09, 07:37 AM
Unfortunately here in Southern Manhattan, we're mostly stuck with Time Warner. Regarding the FOX/TWC matter, I blame Time Warner. They will increase rates (5 times in the last 2 years) anyway regardless of the outcome. As a consumer, who do we pay our money to? That's right Time Warner. So in the end, if the stations go blank they are at fault. I swear, if FIOS can be installed in our complex and if they could somehow finally get MSG HD, I would switch to FIOS in a nano-second.

Berk32
12-31-09, 08:33 AM
If they pull FOX - just hook up a pair of old rabbit ears with a loop... they cost $12 at radio shack (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103077).... all of us in NYC should be able to get a great signal. (just remember you need both UHF and VHF to get all of the OTA HD channels - although for FOX you just need UHF, if you really feel the need to go cheaper) - it's probably a good idea to have something like this as a backup anyways.

Riverside_Guy
12-31-09, 11:46 AM
Here's what I don't understand about this TWC/Fox dispute.

Didn't Fox pay TWC to move FX to channel 10 just a few months ago? They also got Fox Business a prime location right before Fox News at channel 43 about a year ago.

Wouldn't you think that these deals would have come as part of a larger "package deal" and thus avoiding the looming issue?

Here's how I puzzle it out (I could be wrong). It's being called a "retransmission agreement" so I think it ONLY means the local station, 05 or 705. I think TWC already pays agreed on fees for their various cable outlets. So theoretically, Fox would only pull 05/705.

EXCEPT if Fox is presenting ALL it's fees as a bundle. Which would mean ALL properties get pulled... for the lack of an agreement of one small piece of that bundle.

We'll see tomorrow!

Last thing I read was TWC was willing to keep carrying whatever until an agreement was signed, but Fox announced IT would pull their stuff.

Too bad the deal isn't happening right before sweeps!

Riverside_Guy
12-31-09, 11:47 AM
320gb hd :)


now i have to set up all my season recordings again (but it was worth it)

Damn... 2 guys got 320G 3090's off the truck, while one guy got a 160G at 23rd street!

Riverside_Guy
12-31-09, 11:49 AM
If they pull FOX - just hook up a pair of old rabbit ears with a loop... they cost $12 at radio shack (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103077).... all of us in NYC should be able to get a great signal. (just remember you need both UHF and VHF to get all of the OTA HD channels - although for FOX you just need UHF, if you really feel the need to go cheaper) - it's probably a good idea to have something like this as a backup anyways.

I dunno, last time I tried OTA I could not get anything even approaching a decent signal. I seem to recall it got worse after 9/11 when they moved to the Empire State...

scott_bernstein
12-31-09, 11:55 AM
I dunno, last time I tried OTA I could not get anything even approaching a decent signal. I seem to recall it got worse after 9/11 when they moved to the Empire State...

Um....I would not expect this Rabbit Ears idea to work at all! Did you guys forget that the "DIGITAL TRANSITION" has occurred and analog signals are no longer broadcast over the airwaves! If you don't have a TV with a digital tuner you'll have to go to an electronics store and buy one!!!

Berk32
12-31-09, 11:58 AM
Um....I would not expect this Rabbit Ears idea to work at all! Did you guys forget that the "DIGITAL TRANSITION" has occurred and analog signals are no longer broadcast over the airwaves! If you don't have a TV with a digital tuner you'll have to go to an electronics store and buy one!!!

this is an HD forum... i assume most people here have built in tuners in their TVs at this point...

(I don't, but that's because I have a 5 year old "Monitor" from the time when it was cheaper to get the commercial model with nothing included)

scott_bernstein
12-31-09, 12:08 PM
this is an HD forum... i assume most people here have built in tuners in their TVs at this point...

(I don't, but that's because I have a 5 year old "Monitor" from the time when it was cheaper to get the commercial model with nothing included)

Same here....I don't have a digital tuner, just an analog on my "monitor style" HDTV.. I actually think that most people here are in the same situation as you & I -- having been early adopters and purchased their sets before the digital tuners became standard. :)

adrman
12-31-09, 12:14 PM
I dunno, last time I tried OTA I could not get anything even approaching a decent signal. I seem to recall it got worse after 9/11 when they moved to the Empire State...

Funny thing for me and Fox 5 OTA, is if my wife walks around in the kitchen, it causes interference.

hansangb
12-31-09, 12:31 PM
Despicable tactics on both sides. Hey I know..maybe the government can create a "cable bailout" package and pay TWC our fees! ;) Relax...it's a joke. (the gov't part..not the "despicable" part)

JeffMoney
12-31-09, 01:12 PM
isnt it true TWC is rasing its prices for the new year?

rit56
12-31-09, 01:23 PM
yes they are and this Fox thing if anything else shows why we as consumers should have ala carte. they will pass this cost off to us. we should be allowed cheaper tears with the channels we want. we are being forced to buy a lot of channels we never watch.

Tresjolie9
12-31-09, 05:19 PM
Live in a building with an antenna on the top, no trouble receiving Fox, heck sometimes I switch to the antenna feed simply because the picture right over the air is better. I also get Fox on a pair of ancient rabbit ears at my parent's house!

I pay for cable for channels I can't get OTA, if Time Warner Cable were to yank everything broadcast OTA, I'd be okay with it if they reduced my cable bill!

Um....I would not expect this Rabbit Ears idea to work at all! Did you guys forget that the "DIGITAL TRANSITION" has occurred and analog signals are no longer broadcast over the airwaves! If you don't have a TV with a digital tuner you'll have to go to an electronics store and buy one!!!

Or you can just buy a converter box, too bad the coupons are no longer around!

gtsgts
12-31-09, 07:10 PM
Us losing fox looks like it gonna happen. I don't wanna miss my football. :(

JeffMoney
12-31-09, 07:34 PM
Us losing fox looks like it gonna happen. I don't wanna miss my football. :(

guess monday vp bob watson will be getting calls

gtsgts
12-31-09, 09:39 PM
This is probably a stupid question. I have a hdtv. To get an ota signal will just an tv antenna work? Or would I need to get a tv antenna, and a converter box? :confused:

nickdawg
12-31-09, 09:55 PM
This is probably a stupid question. I have a hdtv. To get an ota signal will just an tv antenna work? Or would I need to get a tv antenna, and a converter box? :confused:

Does the HDTV have a built in digital tuner? If it's a newer set(after 2006) it should. If you have an antenna try connecting it to the TV and running the channel scan. Once the channel scan is finished, if there are channels that are like "5-1" or "5.1", it has a digital tuner and you should be able to watch OTA digital/HD channels.

You only need a converter box if the TV is an older analog TV or if it is an older HDTV without a built in ATSC tuner.

gtsgts
12-31-09, 10:23 PM
I don't have an antenna in the house to try. I wanted to find out if it would work before I bought one. As to whether or not my HDTV has a built in digital tuner I'm not sure. I can't find the tv manual. I think it does. I have a samsung hpr4262.

DigitalfreakNYC
12-31-09, 10:35 PM
Personally, I couldn't care less about losing Fox. I care more about the channels we'll be gaining soon in HD:
On or about January 27, 2010 in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens we will launch MTV HD on ch. 720, Comedy Central HD on ch. 745, BET HD on ch. 737 and Spike TV HD on ch

I'm wondering when we'll get others like VH1-HD. However, I'm pretty damn impressed with how many HD channels we get. My parents in CT barely get 50 free ones, if that.

CynKennard
12-31-09, 10:51 PM
I don't have an antenna in the house to try. I wanted to find out if it would work before I bought one. As to whether or not my HDTV has a built in digital tuner I'm not sure. I can't find the tv manual. I think it does. I have a samsung hpr4262.Go to Samsung's web site. You should be able to get a manual there. Most electronic equipment manufacturers have manuals available on their web site going back several years.

Cynthia

Douglasy
12-31-09, 11:10 PM
I've now had this happen on 2 3090 boxes, and I'd love to get some confirmation if it happens with anyone else---

Occasionally if I'm watching a show, it will prevent trick play off the buffer (no rewind/ff/jump/pause) and shows the buffer on the show display going FORWARD in front of the present time indicator. It may be related to hitting record for the show you're watching (the last time it occurred, it was immediately following that).

Rebooting seems to fix for a time. Let me know if any of you see this on this or any other box.

gtsgts
12-31-09, 11:12 PM
Look like I don't have to buy anything. I screwed in a coaxial cable to the ant 2 in (air in) on my tv to my multimedia drop amplifier Rf out, and got ota signal like that. I was gonna do an auto channel scan but I have three options. STD, HRC, and IRC. Does anyone know which one TWCNYC use, and which one I should choose? Normally I wouldn't be so crazed about losing a channel, but with football I can't mess around. :D

Riverside_Guy
01-01-10, 11:41 AM
isnt it true TWC is rasing its prices for the new year?

Yes, effective 1/1/10. Not to mention I seriously think we're going to see another rate increase in mid-year. Especially in my market as it seems like FiOS is completely frozen and no new areas beyod the initial ones are getting wired for service. Not to mention even IN those4 initial areas, there ARE blocks that also are not wired.

If I can see this, do you think TWC turns a blind eye?

Riverside_Guy
01-01-10, 11:44 AM
Us losing fox looks like it gonna happen. I don't wanna miss my football. :(

At least for tomorrow, I doubt many would have any interest in the Giants game on Fox...

BUT, as of 11:33 Am EST, it seems most of the Fox properties are live...

JR_in_NYC
01-01-10, 12:36 PM
Anyone seeing the pregame show on NBC in HD? Watching 704 and it appears that it's a SD feed, not HD. Anyone else seeing this?

adrman
01-01-10, 12:54 PM
Anyone seeing the pregame show on NBC in HD? Watching 704 and it appears that it's a SD feed, not HD. Anyone else seeing this?

Just checked OTA, it's a SD feed upscaled to 1080i. Have to see what happens with the actual game.

adrman
01-01-10, 01:01 PM
That's better.

Gooddog
01-01-10, 01:16 PM
At least for tomorrow, I doubt many would have any interest in the Giants game on Fox...

BUT, as of 11:33 Am EST, it seems most of the Fox properties are live...

TW ran an announment early this morning (aound 2:30am) that said they reached a agreement with Fox. TW Thanked the people who told them to stand firm on price increases and the deal was in line with TW's budget.

JR_in_NYC
01-01-10, 01:24 PM
That's better.

Yeah I would have been really annoyed if the game was in SD.

PaulInParkSlope
01-01-10, 01:30 PM
First off, apologies if this question/issue has been raised before, but I couldn't find it...

1) I exchanged 2 SA 8300HD boxes at the 5th Ave location in Brooklyn, and I received 2 new SA 8300 HDC DVRs. So the first question is... should I have received a different brand such as the Samsung, or did I need to make a special request?

2) This is my main question... unlike my old 8300HDC, the buffer in the new one only records when the box is on and tuned to that channel, and that channel is selected for viewing. For example, if I am watching CBS, and the second tuner is on ABC, if I "swap" the channels at any point, the second tuner is not buffered and I can't rewind. Likewise if I have the main channel tuned to say ABC, and then I watch a recording...once I stop watching the recording, there is nothing stored in the buffer. On the old box I could watch a recording and then stop it and rewind the channel to where I left off before I started watching the recorded show. Its really pissing me off. Why would they subtract features?

Anyone?

justlou
01-01-10, 02:13 PM
TW ran an announment early this morning (aound 2:30am) that said they reached a agreement with Fox. TW Thanked the people who told them to stand firm on price increases and the deal was in line with TW's budget.


According to a TWC Twitter post from about an hour ago, they're still in negotiations.

JeffMoney
01-01-10, 05:44 PM
At least for tomorrow, I doubt many would have any interest in the Giants game on Fox...

BUT, as of 11:33 Am EST, it seems most of the Fox properties are live...

you know that there are fans that like the Cowboys , who on fox on sunday and also another gm and the nfl and bowl gm playoffs coming up..
TWC is really pissing me off more and more each day , all they do is fight with everyone ex. Nfl network that we never got and HDnet that we lost thanks to then , whats next.. i would love to get direct tv but i cant get it in my building and the other option is RCN which im not crazy about..

MacAlert
01-01-10, 07:50 PM
TW and Fox have reached an agreement. Disaster averted....for now at least.

gtsgts
01-01-10, 08:08 PM
Do you think there will ever be a day when the monopoly that cable companies have was illegal, and we could 100% choose what provider we want?

Berk32
01-01-10, 08:52 PM
Do you think there will ever be a day when the monopoly that cable companies have was illegal, and we could 100% choose what provider we want?

Well how would that work?

You want 10 cable companies running their own wires all over the place?

Just look at the $$ problems Verizon is having getting their wiring done....

It's not like you can run one set of wiring and then allow people to choose their provider. The technology doesn't allow that...

This is why the cable companies are exempt from those monopoly rules....

Douglasy
01-01-10, 11:03 PM
Berk: Actually, the technology does exist-- it's the internet. If you select your internet pipe, anyone can provide programming across it. Hulu, YouTube, NBC.com, etc....

Berk32
01-02-10, 12:01 AM
Berk: Actually, the technology does exist-- it's the internet. If you select your internet pipe, anyone can provide programming across it. Hulu, YouTube, NBC.com, etc....

well that's an entirely different direction - and not what I was talking about...

And you don't want to go in that direction just yet.... or at all.... (forced ad viewing... large cost for good bandwidth... you think hulu stays free? what will premiums like hbo eventually charge for internet viewing?)

Riverside_Guy
01-02-10, 12:20 PM
you know that there are fans that like the Cowboys , who on fox on sunday and also another gm and the nfl and bowl gm playoffs coming up..
TWC is really pissing me off more and more each day , all they do is fight with everyone ex. Nfl network that we never got and HDnet that we lost thanks to then , whats next.. i would love to get direct tv but i cant get it in my building and the other option is RCN which im not crazy about..

Do you have any windows that face generally south and are not close to being blocked by tall buildings (i.e. can you see sky about 33% up from the horizon?). If so, it is POSSIBLE IF you are willing to have the antenna inside your apartment, pressed up against the window. Your building can say nothing about you doing this... it IS actual regulations that give you this right.

AFAIK, RCN has done no wiring at all after 9/11... so they are static on customers since that point in time. My building actually signed a deal with them to have them bring it into my building right before 9/11, and we heard from them it won't happen because they stopped all new wiring. The deal is about to expire and we still don't hear boo from them.

We all thought FiOS was going to be an answer... but it seems they halted all new runs of fiber right after they got their franchise agreement signed. One would THINK they'd start again at some point, but I am very skeptical as they seem more interested in new markets (like Philly) than in actually serving current markets.

I'm actually contemplating a complaint to DOITT... they publicly stated they'd have 60% of Manhattan wired by the end of 09, and I think it';s more like 10%... or the original areas only. Not to mention that even in those areas, many folks can still NOT get it.

Riverside_Guy
01-02-10, 12:31 PM
well that's an entirely different direction - and not what I was talking about...

And you don't want to go in that direction just yet.... or at all.... (forced ad viewing... large cost for good bandwidth... you think hulu stays free? what will premiums like hbo eventually charge for internet viewing?)

On the money... not only is it what we'd have to pay for content, but you can bet they'd levy a bandwidth/usage/data transfer charge, like so many dollars per megabyte transferred.

Ponder this... the government funds, builds and maintains roads/streets so the populace can get around, business can happen, etc. Why should they not provide the same infrastructure... i.e. connection to every family. THEN multiple companies CAN provide actual connection service, much like multiple companies provide cars to travel those roads. Yes, it really quite more complex, and most likely will never happen... but I also can easily see this being way better for us, the lowly consumer!

Berk32
01-02-10, 06:40 PM
Random QAM update.

They moved all internet forward bandwidth from freq 687 to 321 (seems the new wideband service is using freqs 297 to 315 (4 QAM channels))

Berk32
01-02-10, 06:42 PM
And just a reminder for what was announced previously:


On or about January 6, 2009:

We will launch Sleuth on ch. 107 and Bollywood on Demand on ch. 570. SiTV will change from ch. 154 and 880 to 880 only. SiTV will exclusively be part of our DTV en Español and El Paquetazo offerings.

In Mount Vernon we will cease carriage of Hot Shots Advertising on ch. 8.

Also on that date, for customers with cable ready TV’s directly connected to cable without a cable box (“direct hookups”) we will make the following changes: In Southern Manhattan we will move ShopNBC from 26 to 70 and NYC TV 74 from 70 to 74. In Northern Manhattan we will move ShopNBC from ch. 78 to ch. 70 and NYC TV 74 from 70 to 74.

On or about January 11, 2009 we will launch GAME 2 HD on ch. 446. Game 2 HD will be part of our MLB and NHL Sports Package offerings

note: shopnbc was already removed from analog service a little while back... so no clue what's going to happen...

Berk32
01-03-10, 02:26 PM
Anyone else currently only have guide data through tomorrow night?

Douglasy
01-03-10, 02:58 PM
well that's an entirely different direction - and not what I was talking about...

And you don't want to go in that direction just yet.... or at all.... (forced ad viewing... large cost for good bandwidth... you think hulu stays free? what will premiums like hbo eventually charge for internet viewing?)

Its the future and another way to break the cable monopoly (satellite and Fios services being the others), assuming net neutrality becomes law.

I have forced ad viewing on tv now and pay over $150 for cable each month for the bandwidth and the programming.

The model is more than likely to be an itunesish subscription for services. So I could pay for Entourage, but not have to pay for "Curb" if I didn't watch it. Movies will be offered as a service a la Netflix play now, or on-demand by studios.

People who watch more tv would pay more. Less tv, less. It's really not that bad a model. It will certainly change the economics of media creation to more like the movie model as subscriber fees will be less of a guaranteed revenue source.

Berk32
01-03-10, 03:08 PM
Its the future and another way to break the cable monopoly (satellite and Fios services being the others), assuming net neutrality becomes law.

I have forced ad viewing on tv now and pay over $150 for cable each month for the bandwidth and the programming.

The model is more than likely to be an itunesish subscription for services. So I could pay for Entourage, but not have to pay for "Curb" if I didn't watch it. Movies will be offered as a service a la Netflix play now, or on-demand by studios.

People who watch more tv would pay more. Less tv, less. It's really not that bad a model. It will certainly change the economics of media creation to more like the movie model as subscriber fees will be less of a guaranteed revenue source.

The model you describe sounds great for the viewer - but would kill the TV industry - which is why it's never going there.

SRFast
01-03-10, 03:38 PM
Anyone else currently only have guide data through tomorrow night?

I can display guide data thru 01/10/10.

Regards...JL

Berk32
01-03-10, 03:59 PM
I can display guide data thru 01/10/10.

Regards...JL

damn... even with a reboot I'm not getting anything beyond monday night...

So... I'm the only northern manhattan person with this problem?

bigd86
01-03-10, 07:05 PM
Mee too. No guide beyond tomorrow.

ANGEL 35
01-03-10, 07:19 PM
Anyone else currently only have guide data through tomorrow night?

no im getting it to 1,10.10:)

Berk32
01-03-10, 07:21 PM
so its just a northern manhattan problem then...

rit56
01-03-10, 08:46 PM
Anyone else currently only have guide data through tomorrow night?

It's working normally LES.. Through the 10th.

Berk32
01-03-10, 11:31 PM
ok guide kicked in

Riverside_Guy
01-04-10, 10:47 AM
Anyone else currently only have guide data through tomorrow night?

Ah-yup. I seen this many times, but never had to wait for Mon to see Tues and after... just checked, we got a full load overnight.

Douglasy
01-04-10, 11:00 AM
The model you describe sounds great for the viewer - but would kill the TV industry - which is why it's never going there.

Never is a mighty long time, especially when it's what consumers are starting to ask for. Comcast just bought NBC in part out of fear for this coming future where distribution is free and easy.

It actually wouldn't kill TV at all, it would simply make TV more like movies, or like premium cable, where it's not about the # of viewers for ad revenue, it's about the amount of subscribers that can be gleaned from its programming and what they're willing to pay. Given DVD sales of TV shows, that seems to be a huge sum. Ad sales would follow.

Likely we'd see bundled content deals over the internet (similar to channels). Pilots wouldn't change-- it actually would be good for production companies as they could self-distribute pilots and gain popular following to ignite bidding.

UnnDunn
01-04-10, 12:31 PM
The model you describe sounds great for the viewer - but would kill the TV industry - which is why it's never going there.
Apple is already signing up studios for such a service.

rbienstock
01-04-10, 11:24 PM
So when will we get Comedy Central in HD?

Douglasy
01-04-10, 11:34 PM
^ LOL. Colbert is mocking us by placing things off to the left and right.

DigitalfreakNYC
01-04-10, 11:36 PM
So when will we get Comedy Central in HD?

I already posted this a couple of pages back. It's happening in a couple of weeks.

On or about January 27, 2010 In Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens we will launch MTV HD on ch. 720, Comedy Central HD on ch. 745, BET HD on ch. 737 and Spike TV HD on ch. 736.

jm4duryea
01-04-10, 11:39 PM
Anyone else experiencing frequent audio drops on 703 and 716 lately?

Brklyn Heights
8300hdc

Berk32
01-04-10, 11:39 PM
so when will we get comedy central in hd?

1/27

Riverside_Guy
01-05-10, 11:32 AM
Anyone else experiencing frequent audio drops on 703 and 716 lately?

Brklyn Heights
8300hdc

This has been a consistent issue/problem fort a long while now. 12-18 months ago it seemed to happen mostly on a few channels, 703 and 705 being the wprst offenders. For the past year or so, it seems to happen on any and all channels... sometimes not registering for an hour or maybe two, but sometimes being so terrible one has to switch to the SD channel, or run the show withy captions on.

You might want to check signal levels as they hit you TV... not sure anboput how to get into the advanced diagnostics on ODN (where you can check signal level) but for MDN it's hold SEL until the mail icon displays on my DVR, then hit down arrow. It will take several beats for it to show up after the down arrow, be patient.

scott_bernstein
01-05-10, 12:32 PM
So when will we get Comedy Central in HD?

The neat thing is that last night for the first time ever there was a graphic at the beginning of The Daily Show saying "Presented in HD by xxxxx" (I forget who the sponsor was -- maybe Hewlett Packard?).....3 more weeks for us.

And hoping the latest channel switch will fix my channel headaches from switching regions from Man South to Man North (TWC's only answer has been to offer to switch out my box which I don't want them to do!). 720 (Palladia) is where I get my Starz-HD, so when Palladia moves to a new channel my fingers are crossed that I'll get it again. Of course I may just wind up with Starz-HD on whatever location they're moving Palladia to.

UnnDunn
01-05-10, 12:39 PM
^ LOL. Colbert is mocking us by placing things off to the left and right.
I have Comedy Central HD on Cablevision. Colbert had some really awesome things on the sides of the screen last night. Too bad you'll never know what they were (unless you Google them.) :P




Seriously though, it was just a coffee mug and a box of tissues.

SRFast
01-06-10, 06:33 AM
I know this question has been raised before, but I am going to ask it again. Why is there a white pixilated line at the top of some channels? It started on NY1-HD, but it is becoming visible on more channels. The line is most visible when the broadcast has black side borders and is only on the video part, not the borders. A very annoying issue. Any info is appreacited.

TIA...JL

UnnDunn
01-06-10, 07:59 AM
I know this question has been raised before, but I am going to ask it again. Why is there a white pixilated line at the top of some channels? It started on NY1-HD, but it is becoming visible on more channels. The line is most visible when the broadcast has black side borders and is only on the video part, not the borders. A very annoying issue. Any info is appreacited.

TIA...JL
That line carries the closed-caption data for the channel. If you are seeing it, that means you have set your TV (typically a flat-panel set) to "Just-scan" or 1:1 zoom mode, which eliminates all overscan.

With digital and HD broadcasts, that line is no longer used to carry CC data. Instead, CC data is carried in a separate data stream alongside the video. However, in the case you mentioned, NY1 HD is showing a local ad, and those local ads have the CC data strip baked into the video stream itself, so that even analog viewers can see the CC.

"Just-scan" is great for blu-ray, videogames and such, but for TV it isn't that great because there are lot of things on the edges of the screen that you are not supposed to see--the CC data bar, misaligned video or digital graphics, etc. Broadcasters rely on a certain amount of overscan to hide these flaws. I recommend adding about 2-3% overscan to all sides of the picture. Most flat-panel TVs have a zoom mode that does this (usually "auto".) Check your TV's manual.

Agent_C
01-06-10, 09:52 AM
I know this question has been raised before, but I am going to ask it again. Why is there a white pixilated line at the top of some channels? It started on NY1-HD, but it is becoming visible on more channels. The line is most visible when the broadcast has black side borders and is only on the video part, not the borders. A very annoying issue. Any info is appreacited.

TIA...JL

What's the make and model number of your display?

A_C

SRFast
01-06-10, 02:35 PM
What's the make and model number of your display?

A_C

A_C:
I have a Sony 52XBR9 LCD TV. Anyone who what I need to do to eliminate tthe line on this set?

TIA...JL

lee7n
01-06-10, 02:35 PM
A_C:
I have a Sony 52XBR9 LCD TV. Anyone who what I need to do to eliminate tthe line on this set?

TIA...JL

Turn off full pixel, i have an XBR2 I assume it is still called the same thing, just set it to normal. If you watch blu ray's I would suggest turning it on at least when you are watching them.

pdroth
01-06-10, 03:44 PM
Anyone who what I need to do to eliminate tthe line on this set?



I just change the channel :rolleyes:

Agent_C
01-06-10, 03:55 PM
A_C:
I have a Sony 52XBR9 LCD TV. Anyone who what I need to do to eliminate tthe line on this set?

TIA...JL

Turn off full pixel, i have an XBR2 I assume it is still called the same thing, just set it to normal. If you watch blu ray's I would suggest turning it on at least when you are watching them.

(Beat me to it Lee)

I own the same set; indeed, don't use Full Pixel for broadcast sources. Use Normal.

A_C

SRFast
01-06-10, 05:30 PM
Lee & A_C:
No "Full Pixel" setting on the XBR9. What menu did you find this setting on your XBR? If I set the screen wide mode to "H-Stretch", the line goes away, but the picture looks weird. I have it set to "full" and it looks normal.

BTW, I posted a similar response earlier, but it doesn't appear to be in the forum. That's weird also.

Regards...JL

Agent_C
01-06-10, 05:55 PM
Lee & A_C:
No "Full Pixel" setting on the XBR9. What menu did you find this setting on your XBR? If I set the screen wide mode to "H-Stretch", the line goes away, but the picture looks weird. I have it set to "full" and it looks normal.

BTW, I posted a similar response earlier, but it doesn't appear to be in the forum. That's weird also.

Regards...JL

Tune to a 1080i channel, then;

Using the remote; HOME / SETTINGS / Picture & Display / Screen

Set Wide Mode to 'Full"

Set Display Area to 'Normal'

A_C

SRFast
01-06-10, 07:14 PM
A_C:
Thanks for your help. I had to turn off an auto setting to get the correct menu to display, but it is now set to "normal". I will moniotr the situation, but I am sure the white line issue is now resolved.

Regards....JL

JeffMoney
01-06-10, 07:23 PM
Yeshd (channel 753) is out , blank screen

SRFast
01-06-10, 07:38 PM
Yeshd (channel 753) is out , blank screen

No problem in NE Queens.

Regards...JL

JeffMoney
01-06-10, 07:41 PM
no problem in ne queens.

Regards...jl

fixed now

hansangb
01-06-10, 10:48 PM
$99 for Wideband!! Is TWC out of their mind? $99 per month for $50Mbps service? I mean come on, really? I would really like to have the $50Mbps upload speed (very useful when VPN'ing from home) but not for $99 a month. Why won't FiOS come to my condo!!!! I would switch out the cablemodem in a heartbeat!!!

the-sloth
01-07-10, 09:41 AM
I don't understand it either... It annoys me that I'm paying $46 /mo for RR Std and my upload is a meager 512kbps, that's just lame. An extra $9 gets me up to 768kbps?? Even better.... Another $24 (total of $70 /mo) finally gets me up to 1Mbps? Embarrassing. RR Standard should come w/ 1Mbps upload at the very minimum.

It's 2010, it shouldn't be allowed to be labeled as 'broadband' unless it's at least 1Mbps in both directions.

the-sloth
01-07-10, 09:45 AM
Also.. for those interested. The issue that I reported a few weeks ago regarding not being able to get channel 461 (NBATV HD) on my TiVo HD (Bklyn) has been resolved.

After filing a complaint with DoITT, someone called me back within 3hrs, set up a Sunday appointment (at my request) and was very pleasant. A couple of days before the tech arrived the channel magically started working. I would have cancelled the appointment but I wanted him to come and install a CableCard for a second TiVo HD that I had bought while he was there... So when he showed up I asked him what the problem was and he said that the proper authorization codes were not in the list for CableCards. Swell.

Anyhow, thanks for the help.

Riverside_Guy
01-07-10, 10:25 AM
Tune to a 1080i channel, then;

Using the remote; HOME / SETTINGS / Picture & Display / Screen

Set Wide Mode to 'Full"

Set Display Area to 'Normal'

A_C

Several years ago I helped my sister set up a XBR HD LCD... and found Sony's "terminology" to be god awful... I see it hasn't changed.

Riverside_Guy
01-07-10, 10:26 AM
Yeshd (channel 753) is out , blank screen

They are probably trying to save a few bucks so they can be on the road to a 300 million dollar team!

Riverside_Guy
01-07-10, 10:29 AM
$99 for Wideband!! Is TWC out of their mind? $99 per month for $50Mbps service? I mean come on, really? I would really like to have the $50Mbps upload speed (very useful when VPN'ing from home) but not for $99 a month. Why won't FiOS come to my condo!!!! I would switch out the cablemodem in a heartbeat!!!

Not to mention that I think the up speed for that service is a paltry 1Mb/s. FiOS is 25/15 standard in NYC I think.

BUT, I daresay TWC knows like I do that it's going to be a VERY LONG time before any substantial number of families have a shot at getting FiOS.

Riverside_Guy
01-07-10, 10:35 AM
I don't understand it either... It annoys me that I'm paying $46 /mo for RR Std and my upload is a meager 512kbps, that's just lame. An extra $9 gets me up to 768kbps?? Even better.... Another $24 (total of $70 /mo) finally gets me up to 1Mbps? Embarrassing. RR Standard should come w/ 1Mbps upload at the very minimum.

It's 2010, it shouldn't be allowed to be labeled as 'broadband' unless it's at least 1Mbps in both directions.

Reminds me of a long departed time when everything IP was brand new (early to mid 90s). The whole asymmetric thing was simply a way for ISPs to charge a lot less for residential service. Business rates were VERY high... so high no home/soho type market COULD evolve, so they decided crippling it was the way to go.

You see, there's no actual reason to go so slow for uploads... it's only a way to not get business folks up in arms. AND it still stays with us today.

Agent_C
01-07-10, 11:23 AM
Several years ago I helped my sister set up a XBR HD LCD... and found Sony's "terminology" to be god awful... I see it hasn't changed.

I have to agree. 'Picture' = Contrast ???

A_C

jcalabria
01-07-10, 11:40 AM
You see, there's no actual reason to go so slow for uploads... it's only a way to not get business folks up in arms. AND it still stays with us today.

The reason for the slower upload speeds is the extreme disparity in available upstream vs. downstream bandwidth on most cable systems, based on the the traditional sub-split diplexing scheme.

In most systems, the downstream passband is at least 700MHz wide (50-750MHz) and a business decision can be made as to how much of that bandwidth can be allocated to data versus entertainment. The total upstream bandwidth available, however, is physically limited to only a 35MHz wide passband (5-40MHz).

As analog cable service is phased out, you may see systems built/rebuilt with mid-split or high-split diplexing schemes that would allow more upstream bandwidth be dedicated to data services than the current sub-split diplex arrangement.

The alternative to moving towards more balanced diplexing schemes would be to further granularize the coax portions of the plant (more fiber nodes with less homes per node to support with the return bandwidth available for that node). In the FiOS case, this is carried to the extreme, as every home essentially has its own node and gets to use all of the available bandwidth for itself.

Agent_C
01-07-10, 12:12 PM
The reason for the slower upload speeds is the extreme disparity in available upstream vs. downstream bandwidth on most cable systems, based on the the traditional sub-split diplexing scheme.

In most systems, the downstream passband is at least 700MHz wide (50-750MHz) and a business decision can be made as to how much of that bandwidth can be allocated to data versus entertainment. The total upstream bandwidth available, however, is physically limited to only a 35MHz wide passband (5-40MHz).

As analog cable service is phased out, you may see systems built/rebuilt with mid-split or high-split diplexing schemes that would allow more upstream bandwidth be dedicated to data services than the current sub-split diplex arrangement.

The alternative to moving towards more balanced diplexing schemes would be to further granularize the coax portions of the plant (more fiber nodes with less homes per node to support with the return bandwidth available for that node). In the FiOS case, this is carried to the extreme, as every home essentially has its own node and gets to use all of the available bandwidth for itself.


Ya' know... I understood every word of that.

A_C

Douglasy
01-07-10, 01:30 PM
Just FYI: I've just had my 3090 replaced again from the truck (my second 320GB), so they're definitely out there.

I'm also now 3 for 3 on the 3090 bug (3 boxes, happened on each) I've reported related to losing the ability to trick play (combined with the "buffer" display moving ahead of the live marker). However, I've been able to determine that you can "swap" the tuners using the swap button (which on mystro requires the pip window to be open and the channels to be different when the swap button is hit) and regain the ability to trick play on the primary screen (the secondary tuner will still not allow trick play until after reboot).

Edit: Eventually the other tuner had the same bug occur and it required a reboot.

andgarden
01-08-10, 02:43 AM
FTTH (or something very close to that) is the future for cable just as it is for phone. Internet upload speeds are one reason why. HD on demand is another.

Killing the analog buys some time, but it will only go so far. Eventually all of the digital cable nets are going to have HD feeds that people will demand.

UnnDunn
01-08-10, 09:19 AM
FTTH (or something very close to that) is the future for cable just as it is for phone. Internet upload speeds are one reason why. HD on demand is another.

Killing the analog buys some time, but it will only go so far. Eventually all of the digital cable nets are going to have HD feeds that people will demand.
Not really. Coaxial cable can keep up with fiber for any practical last-mile application. What will have to change is the topology of the last-mile network. Cable networks use a tree topology--great for one-way, one-size-fits-all cable TV and limited two-way scenarios, not so great when everyone is carrying on two-way, high-bandwidth and individualized communications.

The advantage FTTH networks have over today's coax networks is their star topology which is ideal for the interactive, high-bandwidth stuff we're going to be doing in the future. If the cable guys can find a way to shift to a star topology as much as possible (which they are doing with node splits) then they will be able to keep up just fine, at least for the foreseeable future.

andgarden
01-08-10, 12:50 PM
Well, you're not really disagreeing with me, then. If you do enough node splits, you get something very close to FTTH.

d3193
01-08-10, 09:15 PM
Am I the only one having problems with the DVR? Mine has completely stopped working - no "pause" or "rewind" of live programs; won't record at all; will not play back what is already on the drive. I have an external hard drive, which has been working fine up until now.

I've tried a reboot of the STB (8300HDC). Any other suggestions?

Riverside_Guy
01-09-10, 10:16 AM
Am I the only one having problems with the DVR? Mine has completely stopped working - no "pause" or "rewind" of live programs; won't record at all; will not play back what is already on the drive. I have an external hard drive, which has been working fine up until now.

I've tried a reboot of the STB (8300HDC). Any other suggestions?

Your DVR/software is well known to NOT work with external drives... AND for every 50 saying it doesn't work, there will be 2 who say it does.

The 2.x series of software for that box (ODN) did work. 3.x seems not to. BUT there probably is code left in there, so it's not TOO surprising it may seem to work for a very few.

Unhook it and see what happens...

ANGEL 35
01-09-10, 12:58 PM
Am I the only one having problems with the DVR? Mine has completely stopped working - no "pause" or "rewind" of live programs; won't record at all; will not play back what is already on the drive. I have an external hard drive, which has been working fine up until now.

I've tried a reboot of the STB (8300HDC). Any other suggestions?

I have a Samsung 3090. Im having rebooting problems,when i change channels it reboots.:confused:Its doing a few time a day. Any one know what i can do to fix this ???

hansangb
01-09-10, 02:52 PM
FTTH (or something very close to that) is the future for cable just as it is for phone. Internet upload speeds are one reason why. HD on demand is another.

Killing the analog buys some time, but it will only go so far. Eventually all of the digital cable nets are going to have HD feeds that people will demand.

You know what they say...necessity is the mother of all invention. When Ma Bell was faced with digging up Manhattan to install more phone cables, they thought about it and came up with T1 (TDM).

Eventually, the backbone will get crushed so just upgrading the last mile will be a short-term solution. My guess is that new encoding technology will be developed to push more data in the same about of space. Sort of like what companies like Riverbed does with WAN acceleration.

nyctveng
01-09-10, 06:02 PM
We all thought FiOS was going to be an answer... but it seems they halted all new runs of fiber right after they got their franchise agreement signed. One would THINK they'd start again at some point, but I am very skeptical as they seem more interested in new markets (like Philly) than in actually serving current markets.

I'm actually contemplating a complaint to DOITT... they publicly stated they'd have 60% of Manhattan wired by the end of 09, and I think it';s more like 10%... or the original areas only. Not to mention that even in those areas, many folks can still NOT get it.


they are actively building in many areas of the city. as long as they are living up to franchise agreements as far as buildout requirements you have no case. just because YOU can't get it does not mean they stopped.

nyctveng
01-09-10, 06:24 PM
doesnt seem like these took affect yet

And just a reminder for what was announced previously:

Quote:
On or about January 6, 2009:

We will launch Sleuth on ch. 107 and Bollywood on Demand on ch. 570. SiTV will change from ch. 154 and 880 to 880 only. SiTV will exclusively be part of our DTV en Español and El Paquetazo offerings.

In Mount Vernon we will cease carriage of Hot Shots Advertising on ch. 8.

Also on that date, for customers with cable ready TV’s directly connected to cable without a cable box (“direct hookups”) we will make the following changes: In Southern Manhattan we will move ShopNBC from 26 to 70 and NYC TV 74 from 70 to 74. In Northern Manhattan we will move ShopNBC from ch. 78 to ch. 70 and NYC TV 74 from 70 to 74.

On or about January 11, 2009 we will launch GAME 2 HD on ch. 446. Game 2 HD will be part of our MLB and NHL Sports Package offerings


note: shopnbc was already removed from analog service a little while back... so no clue what's going to happen...

Berk32
01-09-10, 07:09 PM
doesnt seem like these took affect yet

some of it did....

Sleuth returned and Game2HD shows up in the guide - but i didn't see anything change with analog.

Riverside_Guy
01-10-10, 11:20 AM
they are actively building in many areas of the city. as long as they are living up to franchise agreements as far as buildout requirements you have no case. just because YOU can't get it does not mean they stopped.

Sorry, but I must disagree. Far as I know, their only commitment is to get everyone wired by 2017. I have yet to hear about them going into ANY neighborhood (Manhattan) other than those available the day they got the franchise agreement... and in those very areas, coverage is completely spotty, many folks have still NOT been wired. They claimed they'd have 60% of Manhattan wired by end of 09... more like 10% AFAIK.

Through our "business" contact at Verizon, we were told 08/08 we would be wired. That contact now refuses to say anything.

What I also know is their intent to only wire into areas with the biggest potential for customers. Evidence seems to back that up. East Village was one of the initial areas announced, but all I know of is Sty-Town... all the side streets seem to be not wired. Yes, all those "side" streets are mostly tenements and buildings with very small numbers of potential customers.

Obviously I care mostly about my area... BUT it's also one that would yield a ton more potential customers than the East Village. I'm talking about the corridor from Lincoln Center to Morningside Heights along WEA. Most all buildings along that are large and most can afford triple plays (i.e. we have a very solid middle class, very educated population). Zip, nada, nothing.

4-5 months ago there was a flurry of activity up in Morningside Heights. Made sense to me because I know they have a big switching station right by Columbia. Far as I know, even though streets were opened for Verizon (Empire City Subways is their contractor) there's still no availability.

d3193
01-10-10, 02:30 PM
Your DVR/software is well known to NOT work with external drives... AND for every 50 saying it doesn't work, there will be 2 who say it does.

The 2.x series of software for that box (ODN) did work. 3.x seems not to. BUT there probably is code left in there, so it's not TOO surprising it may seem to work for a very few.

Unhook it and see what happens...

Thanks for the suggestion. It did work.

Strangely the reboot of the STB (necessary to remove the external drive) was not easy. It kept stopping, and displayed APP on the front panel. Eventually (after about 2hrs!) it rebooted correctly and the internal DVR was working again.

ILW
01-11-10, 07:38 AM
Last night, my recording of "The Simpsons" anniversary special stopped in the middle of the program. Luckily, I was watching the show, and started the recording again. Twice more, the recording stopped for no apparent reason and I had to start a new recording.

A few weeks ago, I had another recording on 705 with a gap in the middle of the program. I remember that others have had problems recording shows on 705 - is this still the case?

Riverside_Guy
01-11-10, 09:38 AM
Last night, my recording of "The Simpsons" anniversary special stopped in the middle of the program. Luckily, I was watching the show, and started the recording again. Twice more, the recording stopped for no apparent reason and I had to start a new recording.

A few weeks ago, I had another recording on 705 with a gap in the middle of the program. I remember that others have had problems recording shows on 705 - is this still the case?

There's a LONG standing issue with how TWC "handles" FoxHD, 705. Several years ago, it "started" with simple audio drop-outs... the kind that frequently "miss' key bits of dialog. For the past 6 months, what I see is a loss of video (it goes back) while audio continues. This happens from 5 to 30 minutes. I kept advising folks to always watch live so you CAN have the option of switching to the SD channel.

Never had any direct evidence, but always felt one of these video blackout moments may be the cause for recordings to be stopped. Do know that a pal had 2 consecutive football games on Fox he set to record come up with nothing to watch... i.e. it's listed as a recorded show, but at 0 minutes, so nothing CAN play.

Now, according to most reports, TWC just succumbed to Fox' blackmail and opened the $$$gates to them. So for all the audio drop-pouts, all the lost recordings, all the loss of video we NOW get to reward TWC by getting hit with another price increase to cover the blackmail they pay Fox (watch, we JUST got hit with an increase, bet the farm another one will come within 6-8 months)..

Berk32
01-11-10, 09:40 AM
Last night, my recording of "The Simpsons" anniversary special stopped in the middle of the program. Luckily, I was watching the show, and started the recording again. Twice more, the recording stopped for no apparent reason and I had to start a new recording.

A few weeks ago, I had another recording on 705 with a gap in the middle of the program. I remember that others have had problems recording shows on 705 - is this still the case?

Just making sure - Did this have anything to do with the fact that the shows on FOX started late last night because football went past 8pm? (and the recording stopped at 9:30 as scheduled even though the show was still going)

I watched directly on my TV tuner since my DVR was busy, so I can't confirm the issue you had (and since I knew that I wouldn't be able to record it normally thanks to football going late)

TravKoolBreeze
01-11-10, 11:21 AM
Just making sure - Did this have anything to do with the fact that the shows on FOX started late last night because football went past 8pm? (and the recording stopped at 9:30 as scheduled even though the show was still going)

I watched directly on my TV tuner since my DVR was busy, so I can't confirm the issue you had (and since I knew that I wouldn't be able to record it normally thanks to football going late)

I was going to record but since football went 15 minutes over, there was no point in recording where the DVR would stop on time while the DVR would keep going. Of course I could have set it to do 15 minute delay but I do wish somehow navigator did manual recording.

margoba
01-11-10, 12:41 PM
This is kind of OT, but not entirely. Does anybody know of a web site that lists the current (up to the minute) status of network broadcasts regarding football delays?

For example, if you got home from dinner last night (Sunday) at 8:30, Was there any way to find out that Fox was running 15 minutes late?

This would be especially useful in football playoff season.

-barry

Berk32
01-11-10, 01:08 PM
This is kind of OT, but not entirely. Does anybody know of a web site that lists the current (up to the minute) status of network broadcasts regarding football delays?

For example, if you got home from dinner last night (Sunday) at 8:30, Was there any way to find out that Fox was running 15 minutes late?

This would be especially useful in football playoff season.

-barry

its rare and last minute... a whole website devoted to that? that would be a bit crazy.

best you can do is check the main forum weekly football thread.... or just check the score on your phone and you'd know the game wasn't over....

ILW
01-11-10, 07:56 PM
Just making sure - Did this have anything to do with the fact that the shows on FOX started late last night because football went past 8pm? (and the recording stopped at 9:30 as scheduled even though the show was still going)

I watched directly on my TV tuner since my DVR was busy, so I can't confirm the issue you had (and since I knew that I wouldn't be able to record it normally thanks to football going late)

I knew about the possible delay due to the football game and extended my recording to 10pm, which was more than enough time, so that wasn't the problem. I wound up with four separate recordings for the show due to the need for me to restart recording each time it stopped. A previous (this time unattended) recording on 705 about a month ago had a 10-to-15-minute gap in the middle of the program, which was pretty weird. I think that both the recording a months ago and the one last night stopped at commercial breaks, so maybe that's a clue as to what's going on.

Berk32
01-11-10, 08:13 PM
I knew about the possible delay due to the football game and extended my recording to 10pm, which was more than enough time, so that wasn't the problem. I wound up with four separate recordings for the show due to the need for me to restart recording each time it stopped. A previous (this time unattended) recording on 705 about a month ago had a 10-to-15-minute gap in the middle of the program, which was pretty weird. I think that both the recording a months ago and the one last night stopped at commercial breaks, so maybe that's a clue as to what's going on.

I just took another look and my box did record 8-8:30 and 8:30 to 8:55 (when i stopped it) - so i didn't have any problems.

Which box do you have?

ILW
01-11-10, 10:17 PM
I just took another look and my box did record 8-8:30 and 8:30 to 8:55 (when i stopped it) - so i didn't have any problems.

Which box do you have?

I have the 8300HDC.

oprig
01-11-10, 10:29 PM
Last night, my recording of "The Simpsons" anniversary special stopped in the middle of the program. Luckily, I was watching the show, and started the recording again. Twice more, the recording stopped for no apparent reason and I had to start a new recording.

A few weeks ago, I had another recording on 705 with a gap in the middle of the program. I remember that others have had problems recording shows on 705 - is this still the case?

I wasn't recording anything on Fox last night, but I was recording SyFi HD at 11pm (BSG) for 2 hours - went to watch the programme a few minutes ago and there were only 7 minutes recorded. Bummer.

On a side note, I saw some guys last week installing some Verizon FIOS cables at corner of CPW & 69th.

On a further side note, I saw someone on 69th got a Tivo HD for Christmas as I saw the box being thrown out in the trash. Wish that person was me!

Riverside_Guy
01-12-10, 09:55 AM
I wasn't recording anything on Fox last night, but I was recording SyFi HD at 11pm (BSG) for 2 hours - went to watch the programme a few minutes ago and there were only 7 minutes recorded. Bummer.

Hmmm, I recorded it and watched it, all was OK (meaning it only had about 2-3 glitches in 2 hours).

lee7n
01-14-10, 11:53 PM
Got an email form TWC to get a preview of their online TV Everywhere service. Hopefully this will go better for them than their cable boxes, I am guessing a lot of you guys will get the preview as well. Should get an email to start trial in a few days.

DigitalfreakNYC
01-15-10, 06:22 AM
Got an email form TWC to get a preview of their online TV Everywhere service. Hopefully this will go better for them than their cable boxes, I am guessing a lot of you guys will get the preview as well. Should get an email to start trial in a few days.

What is it?

coreynyc
01-15-10, 07:58 AM
What is it?

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/06/time-warner-comcast-depart-from-hulu-model-with-tv-everywhere/

Riverside_Guy
01-15-10, 10:35 AM
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/06/time-warner-comcast-depart-from-hulu-model-with-tv-everywhere/

Got no marketing e-mails (except one pushing PPV on 1/12). The article says 5,000 Comcrap, implying only certain subscribers will test... but noting about TWC.

So, with all the MSOs seemingly on the verge of going with usage charges for IP.... they are pushing services guaranteed to incur such charges. Are we to look forward to a charge for the service on top of charges for using the service?

Berk32
01-15-10, 11:03 AM
So, with all the MSOs seemingly on the verge of going with usage charges for IP....

I thought they backed off on that

scott_bernstein
01-15-10, 11:29 AM
Got no marketing e-mails (except one pushing PPV on 1/12). The article says 5,000 Comcrap, implying only certain subscribers will test... but noting about TWC.

So, with all the MSOs seemingly on the verge of going with usage charges for IP.... they are pushing services guaranteed to incur such charges. Are we to look forward to a charge for the service on top of charges for using the service?

I got one offering the same thing. Had to take a survey and they said they'll get back in touch if I qualify......

Riverside_Guy
01-15-10, 11:59 AM
I got one offering the same thing. Had to take a survey and they said they'll get back in touch if I qualify......

Guess they know how criti8cal I am of them...

Still WV, eh<g>?

Riverside_Guy
01-15-10, 12:01 PM
I thought they backed off on that

TWc did on a trial... then again, they were doing a 250G cap... which is actually easy to get to without doing ANY torrents!

Do you doubt it won't come to pass?

scott_bernstein
01-15-10, 12:08 PM
TWc did on a trial... then again, they were doing a 250G cap... which is actually easy to get to without doing ANY torrents!

Do you doubt it won't come to pass?

I thought I read that customer reaction was HIGHLY negative in the trials and that they backed off on the idea.

Berk32
01-15-10, 04:11 PM
In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned:

Please disregard the previously announced change regarding SiTV. SiTV will remain on ch. 154 and 880 in our DTV, DTV en Español and El Paquetazo offerings.

On or about March 24, 2010 we will no longer carry the following channels: Virtual Video Store: Action on ch. 1003, Virtual Video Store: Comedy on ch. 1004 and Virtual Video Store: Drama on ch. 1006.


Not much there for HD - and it doesn't look like they have much planed for a while. (the Virtual Video Store is failing.... o well)

DigitalfreakNYC
01-15-10, 08:11 PM
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/06/time-warner-comcast-depart-from-hulu-model-with-tv-everywhere/

ahh ok. thank you. I'd be excited if you could set your DVR through the internet or switch programs between DVR's. THAT would be hot.

Chris NYC
01-15-10, 08:13 PM
Last night, my recording of "The Simpsons" anniversary special stopped in the middle of the program. Luckily, I was watching the show, and started the recording again. Twice more, the recording stopped for no apparent reason and I had to start a new recording.

A few weeks ago, I had another recording on 705 with a gap in the middle of the program. I remember that others have had problems recording shows on 705 - is this still the case?

Could be your HDD is crapping out. I lost three. Two on the 8300HD and one on a 3090. It starts with sound cutting out, then stuff stops recording, pause stops working, etc. Terrible boxes or I am just the destroyer of hard drives.

Sickman
01-16-10, 09:22 AM
Last night, my recording of "The Simpsons" anniversary special stopped in the middle of the program. Luckily, I was watching the show, and started the recording again. Twice more, the recording stopped for no apparent reason and I had to start a new recording.

A few weeks ago, I had another recording on 705 with a gap in the middle of the program. I remember that others have had problems recording shows on 705 - is this still the case?

Same thing happened to me.

Riverside_Guy
01-16-10, 11:02 AM
For a while I have posted my feeling about the FIOS roll out here being stalled... some expressed disbelief. Yes, it was my conclusion based on things I observed... but the general press seemed not to talk about this issue. Well, now they are:

http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2010/01/fiber-fail-hong-kong-booms-as-verizon-retrenches.ars

carl2680
01-16-10, 02:30 PM
For a while I have posted my feeling about the FIOS roll out here being stalled... some expressed disbelief. Yes, it was my conclusion based on things I observed... but the general press seemed not to talk about this issue. Well, now they are:

http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2010/01/fiber-fail-hong-kong-booms-as-verizon-retrenches.ars

SO Verizon wired the rich areas in NYC first, and the rich folks are not signing up to their service... One thing for sure is that Empire city subway is building conduit for all Columbia university buildings, so I guess the University will be wired with FIOS Soon.

LL3HD
01-16-10, 03:41 PM
SO Verizon wired the rich areas in NYC first, and the rich folks are not signing up to their service... It has nothing to do with the “rich areas” as you suggest. It is solely due to Verizon’s infrastructure.

If I may indulge in some metaphors---
They will travel where their road takes them.
They are not going to try and thread a needle in the middle of a haystack.
They dropped their net in the water but they are not pulling in enough fish. Until their nets are full, then they can move on.

Everyone has been downsizing. This has also hurt their progress. Funny thing is, one of the reasons I left TW and went to FIOS was to downsize by getting more bang for my buck. I thought FIOS would strike it rich on my block but as I talk to my neighbors about switching over and saving, they’re scared of the whole equipment change. These are folks that have satellites, TW, or OTA. The 50 bucks or so that they’ll save is not worth it since in their minds, it will probably be the same price or more eventually, so why bother changing and learning a whole new system. :rolleyes: What can I tell ya.

rit56
01-16-10, 05:05 PM
SO Verizon wired the rich areas in NYC first, and the rich folks are not signing up to their service... One thing for sure is that Empire city subway is building conduit for all Columbia university buildings, so I guess the University will be wired with FIOS Soon.

I think Empire might have the whole city with Verizon. They did the one building on my Street. One. Naturally Verizon lists my block as wired. The foreman for Empire was very nice. I asked him a ton of questions. It was a direct line to the building. He wanted to put in hardware so they could easily do other buildings. Verizon said no, meaning if another building gets service they have to rip up the whole street again. Not to smart or cost affective but we all know by now they never had any intention of servicing more than they had to.

Riverside_Guy
01-17-10, 01:07 PM
SO Verizon wired the rich areas in NYC first, and the rich folks are not signing up to their service... One thing for sure is that Empire city subway is building conduit for all Columbia university buildings, so I guess the University will be wired with FIOS Soon.

Not at all. Their first big complex was StyTown.

Riverside_Guy
01-17-10, 01:13 PM
It has nothing to do with the “rich areas” as you suggest. It is solely due to Verizon’s infrastructure.

If I may indulge in some metaphors---
They will travel where their road takes them.
They are not going to try and thread a needle in the middle of a haystack.
They dropped their net in the water but they are not pulling in enough fish. Until their nets are full, then they can move on.

Everyone has been downsizing. This has also hurt their progress. Funny thing is, one of the reasons I left TW and went to FIOS was to downsize by getting more bang for my buck. I thought FIOS would strike it rich on my block but as I talk to my neighbors about switching over and saving, they’re scared of the whole equipment change. These are folks that have satellites, TW, or OTA. The 50 bucks or so that they’ll save is not worth it since in their minds, it will probably be the same price or more eventually, so why bother changing and learning a whole new system. :rolleyes: What can I tell ya.

Actually, the pattern I see (at least in Manhattan) is to go first for "number of units" complexes. I honestly think a corridor up the west side would contain exactly the kinds of customers they'd want (educated, financially comfortable, almost every building along WEA runs 200-500 units)).

I found it telling that at my co-op's annual meeting in 08, MANY shareholders weer really VERY psyched to get FiOS. This past fall, at the 09 meeting, very few cared... my sense was they were all 100% sick of seeing million spent on advertisements, while the access were were told to expect went into nowhere-land.

Riverside_Guy
01-17-10, 01:16 PM
I think Empire might have the whole city with Verizon. They did the one building on my Street. One. Naturally Verizon lists my block as wired. The foreman for Empire was very nice. I asked him a ton of questions. It was a direct line to the building. He wanted to put in hardware so they could easily do other buildings. Verizon said no, meaning if another building gets service they have to rip up the whole street again. Not to smart or cost affective but we all know by now they never had any intention of servicing more than they had to.

Your area was one the the first areas Verizon announced when they got their franchise agreement. As was the east village. BUT many folks who LIVE there do NOT get service.

Berk32
01-17-10, 05:11 PM
Observation:
(Sammy HD-DVR box)

With the arrival of my new TV last week - I was finally able to hook up my equipment to my TV via HDMI. Since then I've been getting audio dropouts all the time...

It finally occurred to me that the box's HDMI-out was causing the problem. I switched to component video and an optical cable for audio and i've been glitch-free since.

EDIT: Took some playing around with my receiver - but i found the right settings to use HDMI for video only - and still use the optical audio cable.

nyctveng
01-18-10, 09:22 AM
Actually, the pattern I see (at least in Manhattan) is to go first for "number of units" complexes. I honestly think a corridor up the west side would contain exactly the kinds of customers they'd want (educated, financially comfortable, almost every building along WEA runs 200-500 units)).

I found it telling that at my co-op's annual meeting in 08, MANY shareholders weer really VERY psyched to get FiOS. This past fall, at the 09 meeting, very few cared... my sense was they were all 100% sick of seeing million spent on advertisements, while the access were were told to expect went into nowhere-land.

perhaps this article explains why verizon is not in your building
http://connectedplanetonline.com/residential_services/news/verizon-fios-penetration-0106/

Riverside_Guy
01-18-10, 10:17 AM
perhaps this article explains why verizon is not in your building
http://connectedplanetonline.com/residential_services/news/verizon-fios-penetration-0106/

Nonsense (insert stronger disallowed word). Verizon knew they had a very receptive building with lots of enthusiasm for becoming subs, yet they have completely ignored us for 6 months plus. Meanwhile, spending tons of money to sign up subs when 95% of those reached from that advertising being unable to actually sign up.

Dumb.

I think as soon as they got the a franchise agreement, they pulled away from NYC to roll out Philly. So even if they actually stared up again, I'd bet MANY folks would stay w/TWC. Another example where they typical corporate cone of silence is steadily turning potential customers off.

carl2680
01-18-10, 11:37 AM
Nonsense (insert stronger disallowed word). Verizon knew they had a very receptive building with lots of enthusiasm for becoming subs, yet they have completely ignored us for 6 months plus. Meanwhile, spending tons of money to sign up subs when 95% of those reached from that advertising being unable to actually sign up.

Dumb.

I think as soon as they got the a franchise agreement, they pulled away from NYC to roll out Philly. So even if they actually stared up again, I'd bet MANY folks would stay w/TWC. Another example where they typical corporate cone of silence is steadily turning potential customers off.

Now Time Warner Cable executives are happy because Verizon will not be a threat to them for a long time.

nyctveng
01-18-10, 09:02 PM
berk32, do u know if more analog channels were dropped in northern manhattan? specifically nyctv channels that carry horce racing. an elderly relative of mine was inquiring. thanks.

hyedipin
01-18-10, 09:19 PM
horse racing. an elderly relative of mine was inquiring. thanks.

Yeah, sure... elderly relative..
:p got any tips for us? :)

Berk32
01-18-10, 10:10 PM
berk32, do u know if more analog channels were dropped in northern manhattan? specifically nyctv channels that carry horce racing. an elderly relative of mine was inquiring. thanks.

71 (OTB Horseracing) is still there - but 73 is gone - and 70 became shopnbc...

and now something is on 74....

ok i gotta straighten this out later

hyedipin
01-18-10, 10:21 PM
I spoke to TWC today about canceling my service, and I asked them if I can keep my internet. They said they can continue to offer $33.95 internet until Sept (this is when I signed up for it) after that it would be either 39.99 or 49.99.

heinriph
01-19-10, 12:21 PM
TWC just sent me an invitation...

"...to an exclusive preview of our new online TV service. It’s called TV Everywhere. Imagine a future where you can watch programs from some of the most popular channels on Time Warner Cable’s TV lineup – anywhere, anytime.
Here’s your chance to be one of the first to try TV Everywhere. If you’re selected to participate in this unique opportunity, your valuable feedback will be rewarded with select access to full-length shows from popular networks like TNT, TBS and more. You'll also receive additional network choices in the months to come.
It all starts with a simple survey. Sure, we could have asked anyone, but as a valued Time Warner Cable customer, we want to know what YOU think!"

After I told the survey that I watch TBS, TNT, Lifetime and some other channels once a year (if that), it abruptly ended the survey and regretted to inform me that the preview was full and have a nice day.

Nice idea, I suppose.

Riverside_Guy
01-19-10, 01:15 PM
I spoke to TWC today about canceling my service, and I asked them if I can keep my internet. They said they can continue to offer $33.95 internet until Sept (this is when I signed up for it) after that it would be either 39.99 or 49.99.

Not sure about "now" but I recall their IP connection typically ran at least $10/mo more than if one had a bundle. When I did check a while ago, it was $45 as part of the bundle, but $55 if that was ALL one signed up for.

DigitalfreakNYC
01-19-10, 01:58 PM
What happened to this....
On or about January 27, 2010 in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens we will launch MTV HD on ch. 720, Comedy Central HD on ch. 745, BET HD on ch. 737 and Spike TV HD on ch

Chris NYC
01-19-10, 02:07 PM
Really frustrating that I am a stones throw away from the Verizon CO on E30th and can't get FIOS (and probably never will be able to as long as I live here).

Berk32
01-19-10, 02:07 PM
What happened to this....

still happening.

Their update page just sucks....

hyedipin
01-19-10, 03:09 PM
TWC just sent me an invitation...

"...to an exclusive preview of our new online TV service. It’s called TV Everywhere. Imagine a future where you can watch programs from some of the most popular channels on Time Warner Cable’s TV lineup – anywhere, anytime.
Here’s your chance to be one of the first to try TV Everywhere. If you’re selected to participate in this unique opportunity, your valuable feedback will be rewarded with select access to full-length shows from popular networks like TNT, TBS and more. You'll also receive additional network choices in the months to come.
It all starts with a simple survey. Sure, we could have asked anyone, but as a valued Time Warner Cable customer, we want to know what YOU think!"

After I told the survey that I watch TBS, TNT, Lifetime and some other channels once a year (if that), it abruptly ended the survey and regretted to inform me that the preview was full and have a nice day.

Nice idea, I suppose.

I got the same thing, and I am willing to pay if they decide to provide online only cable service.

nyctveng
01-19-10, 06:52 PM
SO Verizon wired the rich areas in NYC first, and the rich folks are not signing up to their service... One thing for sure is that Empire city subway is building conduit for all Columbia university buildings, so I guess the University will be wired with FIOS Soon.

this belongs in the verizon forum rather than here but i would hardly consider staten island a rich area as they were the first borough to have fios widely available.

Chris NYC
01-20-10, 07:32 AM
I am willing to pay if they decide to provide online only cable service.

Don't count on it. From what I have read, TVE will be a "value added" deal to augment your cable package. It's going to be a long while before these companies offer internet-only packages.

Riverside_Guy
01-20-10, 11:26 AM
this belongs in the verizon forum rather than here but i would hardly consider staten island a rich area as they were the first borough to have fios widely available.

Uh, only borough I'd say!

Let's not forget SI also was where TWC rolled out new HD channels before anyone else in the city got them. Some of the channels available in SI were there almost 2 years before they made it to Manhattan.

See, Manhattan is NOT the center of the universe as some it's residents seem to think...

Berk32
01-20-10, 11:36 AM
Uh, only borough I'd say!

Let's not forget SI also was where TWC rolled out new HD channels before anyone else in the city got them. Some of the channels available in SI were there almost 2 years before they made it to Manhattan.

See, Manhattan is NOT the center of the universe as some it's residents seem to think...

Ever consider that SI was logistically and financially the easiest to upgrade?

Riverside_Guy
01-20-10, 11:58 AM
Ever consider that SI was logistically and financially the easiest to upgrade?

I think you mistake the tone I tried to use... while I'm not happy TWC did what it did, bully for SIers, I harbor NO animosity towards them because they got something I didn't a lot earlier.

Agent_C
01-20-10, 01:07 PM
See, Manhattan is NOT the center of the universe as some it's residents seem to think...


God's Gonna' Get You For That...!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/shakespeares_sister/bea.jpg

Berk32
01-20-10, 02:22 PM
FCC just announced that it is closing the 'loophole' that allowed Cablevision to keep MSG HD off of FiOS

LL3HD
01-20-10, 02:34 PM
FCC just announced that it is closing the 'loophole' that allowed Cablevision to keep MSG HD off of FiOS

:cool: thanks for the scoop!

ANGEL 35
01-20-10, 04:49 PM
Can some one help me with this ?? When i change channels the box will reboot its a samsung 3090. It does not do it all the time but it gets to be a pain Can some one tell me what going on if any one knows?? Help.

Gooddog
01-21-10, 10:11 AM
FCC just announced that it is closing the 'loophole' that allowed Cablevision to keep MSG HD off of FiOS

Heres a story published today

http://www.tvpredictions.com/fcc012010.htm

Riverside_Guy
01-21-10, 10:29 AM
FCC just announced that it is closing the 'loophole' that allowed Cablevision to keep MSG HD off of FiOS

Hmmm, didn't think the loophole impacted this. What I THINK I know is FiOS carries MSG SD, but not HD. That TWC carries the HD because their carriage agreement is much older. That Cablevision was refusing to let a competitor carry the HD version for strictly business reasons. Right?

Berk32
01-21-10, 10:37 AM
Hmmm, didn't think the loophole impacted this. What I THINK I know is FiOS carries MSG SD, but not HD. That TWC carries the HD because their carriage agreement is much older. That Cablevision was refusing to let a competitor carry the HD version for strictly business reasons. Right?

1) sure its a much older agreement - but Cablevision has no reason to withhold it from time warner - they aren't competitors, so that's not an issue.

2) Yes it (fios) was for business reasons - and now the FCC says they cant do that anymore. They can't differentiate between the SD feed and the HD feed.

Berk32
01-21-10, 10:39 AM
Heres a story published today

http://www.tvpredictions.com/fcc012010.htm

Update: Cablevision released the following statement this afternoon:

"While we find the legal basis for the decision unfounded, we are pleased that the FCC recognized the value of Cablevision’s local programming strategy and investments. Verizon and AT&T will not receive an FCC bailout that will allow them to capture News 12, MSG Varsity and other programming that we have developed for our customers. We are also pleased that despite the phone companies' overwhelming lobbying effort, the FCC has ensured a complaint process. If the phone companies complain that they are unable to compete, we are confident that we can prove that it is for a variety of reasons, none of which have to do with HD sports programming. Verizon and AT&T do not need a regulatory bailout in order to compete."

They'll drag this out - but it doesn't affect News12 (or NY1 for TWC)

Riverside_Guy
01-21-10, 11:00 AM
Indeed, after I posed the question I read a few more articles and now see it very much IS supplying both HD & SD channels, so supplying one but not the other is against the reg/ruling.

Of course, one Cablevision response sure seems to take the tact that their interpretation is they do NOT HAVE to, while another one promises a long court battle.

bouhhan
01-21-10, 11:36 AM
TWC just sent me an invitation...

"...to an exclusive preview of our new online TV service. It’s called TV Everywhere. Imagine a future where you can watch programs from some of the most popular channels on Time Warner Cable’s TV lineup – anywhere, anytime.
Here’s your chance to be one of the first to try TV Everywhere. If you’re selected to participate in this unique opportunity, your valuable feedback will be rewarded with select access to full-length shows from popular networks like TNT, TBS and more. You'll also receive additional network choices in the months to come.
It all starts with a simple survey. Sure, we could have asked anyone, but as a valued Time Warner Cable customer, we want to know what YOU think!"

After I told the survey that I watch TBS, TNT, Lifetime and some other channels once a year (if that), it abruptly ended the survey and regretted to inform me that the preview was full and have a nice day.

Nice idea, I suppose.

i was just accepted into the trial - basically just answered with everything they wanted to hear. signed into the forums page and there's nothing up yet so it hasn't started. they'll probably be sending out more invites to customers over the next while.

Douglasy
01-22-10, 12:26 AM
I was just accepted too. Here's hoping it's worthwhile!

ANGEL 35
01-22-10, 09:35 AM
I went down to 23st. and get what looks like like a new Samsung 3090. They said no 320GB All they had was the 160GB.The box is working great so far. The box i swap for this new one, rebooted all the time. So far no reboots on the new one.

hansangb
01-22-10, 04:13 PM
GRRR. Had to bite the bullet (since no FiOS in my area yet) for the "wideband" service. Basically, they give you an SMC wireless router with four ports. You have the option of turning the WiFI on or off. I chose to have it off since I have my own APs.

Speedtest consistently clocks in at 50Mbps DL and 5Mpbs UL during the day. During evening hours, it drops a bit as expected.

BTW, they managed to knock out my cable service! I turned on the cable settop box a few hours after the install and got the "not authorized...please call" message. First level person was adamant about "everything is OK, we have to send someone there to replace it" I too was adamant that the wideband install probably nuked something from the settop box. After about 45min wait, I was transferred to level III support.

The guy (in Canada, interestingly enough) told me that the M Card was out of phase and asked me to reboot. Viola! So for those of you who install it, look out for it.

scott_bernstein
01-22-10, 04:38 PM
GRRR. Had to bite the bullet (since no FiOS in my area yet) for the "wideband" service. Basically, they give you an SMC wireless router with four ports. You have the option of turning the WiFI on or off. I chose to have it off since I have my own APs.

Speedtest consistently clocks in at 50Mbps DL and 5Mpbs UL during the day. During evening hours, it drops a bit as expected.

BTW, they managed to knock out my cable service! I turned on the cable settop box a few hours after the install and got the "not authorized...please call" message. First level person was adamant about "everything is OK, we have to send someone there to replace it" I too was adamant that the wideband install probably nuked something from the settop box. After about 45min wait, I was transferred to level III support.

The guy (in Canada, interestingly enough) told me that the M Card was out of phase and asked me to reboot. Viola! So for those of you who install it, look out for it.
Thanks for the excellent report.....

How much is the wideband service vs. the normal service?

hansangb
01-22-10, 05:21 PM
Thanks for the excellent report.....

How much is the wideband service vs. the normal service?

I believe the normal service is around $40/month. That gives you 10Mb DL and 512Kb UL. I think they have one for 1Mb UL speed, but I'm not too sure about that pricing. Since I VPN in to my company network, I needed the 5Mbps UL speed. Pricing still sucks and I told the L3 guy that.

Can't wait for FiOS!

Riverside_Guy
01-23-10, 09:49 AM
I went down to 23st. and get what looks like like a new Samsung 3090. They said no 320GB All they had was the 160GB.The box is working great so far. The box i swap for this new one, rebooted all the time. So far no reboots on the new one.

Interesting, a pal went down on Monday, late, like 5ish. Asked for a Samsung, looked through the vents, 320G drive, he was happy.

Riverside_Guy
01-23-10, 09:51 AM
Thanks for the excellent report.....

How much is the wideband service vs. the normal service?

I think it's $100/mo for 50/5.

beinstein
01-24-10, 08:36 AM
TWC just sent me an invitation...

"...to an exclusive preview of our new online TV service. It’s called TV Everywhere. Imagine a future where you can watch programs from some of the most popular channels on Time Warner Cable’s TV lineup – anywhere, anytime.
Here’s your chance to be one of the first to try TV Everywhere. If you’re selected to participate in this unique opportunity, your valuable feedback will be rewarded with select access to full-length shows from popular networks like TNT, TBS and more. You'll also receive additional network choices in the months to come.
It all starts with a simple survey. Sure, we could have asked anyone, but as a valued Time Warner Cable customer, we want to know what YOU think!"

After I told the survey that I watch TBS, TNT, Lifetime and some other channels once a year (if that), it abruptly ended the survey and regretted to inform me that the preview was full and have a nice day.

Nice idea, I suppose.
Same thing happened to me..

My question is- if it was full, why have us do the survey before telling us?

I felt scammed into giving them my info when there was no chance for the access

Chris NYC
01-24-10, 08:58 AM
I went down to 23st. and get what looks like like a new Samsung 3090. They said no 320GB All they had was the 160GB.The box is working great so far. The box i swap for this new one, rebooted all the time. So far no reboots on the new one.

I got a 320GB about a week ago. Seemed brand new as it had the protective tape over the front panel. They have me a 160GB before that which was clearly used and the HDD died in a couple of weeks.

If there any way to smooth the fast-forward and rewind on the Navigator software? It's so choppy that I always bomb out when skipping commercials (probably what TWC wants).

Blue Rain
01-24-10, 12:09 PM
Hi

I haven't been on the board much the last few years but a memebr for
years.

I have a HUGE problem and don't know where to post this.

I live in Brooklyn NY and have TWC with Explorer 8300HD DVR box.

I had a MITS RP TV 65809 which died on me last night after almost
10 years :( Yes It's a goner and can't be bothered with trying to fix . The thing is I don't have money for a new TV at this time.

The Jet game is on today and I'm screwed !

I was thinking of buying a TV tuner card for my desktop but need a few things cleared before I head out to Bestbuy.{b]I want to connect my TWC cable HDTV box directly to the TV Tuner card[/b]

I have a windows PC with XP Home but NO windows media 7.It requires
Clear QAM

Does TWC use QAM and what do they mean by Clear QAM ?

I want to buy this TV tuner card... WinTV-HVR-1150. Requirements listed below.


Will this card work with TWC ?

Thanks for your time.

Blue



A TV tuner for PCI based computers.
ATSC/NTSC and QAM TV.

WinTV-HVR-1150 model 1331
click image to enlarge
Technical Specifications
TV Standards:
NTSC Analog Cable, Over the Air TV
ATSC Digital Over the Air HDTV
Clear QAM* Digital Cable TV
Plugs into:
PCI slots
Features
Watch, pause and record TV on your PC, in window or full screen. Uses Hauppauge’s SoftPVR to record analog TV programs to your computer’s disk drive.
Receive ATSC digital TV or Clear QAM* digital cable TV, up to 1080i format
Receive NTSC analog cable TV with the built-in 125 channel cable-ready TV tuner
Schedule TV recordings
Compatible with Windows 7, WIndows Vista and Windows XP with service pack 2.
* Clear QAM is not available on all cable TV networks. Please check with your cable operator for the availability of clear QAM.

Note:
The Media Center products from Hauppauge do not include an MPEG video decoder. If you have a Media Center PC using Windows 7, Windows Vista or Windows XP Media Center Edition, it has come with a Microsoft certified MPEG decoder pre-installed. If you are building a Windows Media Center PC, please check with Microsoft for a list of certified MPEG decoders. YOU WILL NEED A MICROSOFT CERTIFIED MEDIA CENTER DECODER TO WATCH TV!

Windows Media Center from Windows 7 or TV Pack 2008 required for QAM reception.. Clear QAM is not available in all areas. Please contact your local cable TV operator for the availability of clear QAMcable TV.

UnnDunn
01-24-10, 12:50 PM
The card will work with TWC, as TWC does provide Clear QAM for local channels. It is required to by FCC Mandate. The bigger problem is Windows XP does not support ClearQAM reception, so you won't get that. You will however be able to receive analog cable. Obviously it will not be in HD, but it's better than nothing.

Since you are using Windows XP, you will also need to purchase a compatible MPEG2 decoder. Go here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/plugins.aspx#DVDDecoder) to find a bunch of compatible options you can purchase and download online.

Instead of doing all that, you might want to consider going with a SageTV (http://sagetv.com/index.html) solution. That will give you the ClearQAM support you want.

scott_bernstein
01-24-10, 01:06 PM
If there any way to smooth the fast-forward and rewind on the Navigator software? It's so choppy that I always bomb out when skipping commercials (probably what TWC wants).

The secret is to use the Pause (and the play) button instead of play when you're done FF/REW-ing. Pause stops you in the exact location that you press it. Play doesn't......Try it out -- you'll get the hang after a few tries.

Blue Rain
01-25-10, 08:33 AM
UnnDunn

Thanks for taking the time to reply .

I don't want to clog up this NY TWC thread but feel I should respond to UnDunn being he took the time to reply.

TV is still screwed up ..convergence is messed up really bad . I know
it's the IC's and they need to be replaced. Don't really want to be bothered with that maybe if I get time I'll peak around in there.

It's a 65 " Mits RP and has served me well the last 9 years and have been one of the lucky ones regarding the convergence issues that people have been having the first few years.

I could only afford a 40 " (something along that price range) at this time
but I didn't want to go small as I'm use to my 65' big screen.

That SageTV is the bomb ! Thanks for posting that gizmo. Will be buying the SageTV regardless of the route I take.

In a few weeks I'll have about $1500 to spare so I might just go the front projector route which I been meaning to do anyway.

So far I'm looking at the Vivitek H1080FD and Optoma HD20 which go for about $1000.

Or maybe I'll just get a nice laptop being I need to upgrade from my desktop anyway and use the sageTV with it .Then in a few months I can get a nicer Front projection being the 2 I mentioned above don't have vertical/horizontal shift which I want.

Anyway thanks UnDunn and have a great day :)

Blue



The card will work with TWC, as TWC does provide Clear QAM for local channels. It is required to by FCC Mandate. The bigger problem is Windows XP does not support ClearQAM reception, so you won't get that. You will however be able to receive analog cable. Obviously it will not be in HD, but it's better than nothing.

Since you are using Windows XP, you will also need to purchase a compatible MPEG2 decoder. Go here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/plugins.aspx#DVDDecoder) to find a bunch of compatible options you can purchase and download online.

Instead of doing all that, you might want to consider going with a SageTV (http://sagetv.com/index.html) solution. That will give you the ClearQAM support you want.

Riverside_Guy
01-25-10, 11:25 AM
The secret is to use the Pause (and the play) button instead of play when you're done FF/REW-ing. Pause stops you in the exact location that you press it. Play doesn't......Try it out -- you'll get the hang after a few tries.

Not sure that was his issue... I see what he is seeing, in 3x FF SOME shows seems to play hi-speed smoothly, some seem to jump big portions. I think TBS or TNT may be the worst. In either case, the "jump back" I find a killer feature. Oddly enough, I HAVE read TWC actually touting this feature, making it hard for them to screw it up and take 3 years to figure out how to return it.

andgarden
01-25-10, 11:27 AM
FF is really quite broken on the 3090. It's like they designed it to be so frustrating that you wouldn't even try to use it to skip commercials.

jcalabria
01-25-10, 11:44 AM
FF is really quite broken on the 3090. It's like they designed it to be so frustrating that you wouldn't even try to use it to skip commercials.

It wasn't half bad, just different than the HDC boxes, up to the most recent ODN release 3.2.0_15 (so far, released in Charlotte and San Diego). Once you got used to it it wasn't bad at all.

After 3.2.0_15 is loaded on their 3090, I defy anyone to hit a particular point during FF or REW. It's so screwed up it's ridiculous. If they thought they were fixing it, they only made it MUCH worse. The "samples" are HUGE steps, which makes it difficult to judge your progress, and the jump-back is way too big. If you release it the FF when you first see the show return, you will end up watching a full 30 second spot. They did fix the issue with ODN where the box would stop FF/REWing only when you you pressed then released the play button. Now it responds to the initial press of the Play button.

Between the loss of Sort by Favorites and the total screwjob they did on the FF/REW logic (at least in the Samsungs), 3.2.0_15 is a decidedly user-unfriendly release.

Riverside_Guy
01-25-10, 11:55 AM
Between the loss of Sort by Favorites and the total screwjob they did on the FF/REW logic (at least in the Samsungs), 3.2.0_15 is a decidedly user-unfriendly release.

Hmmm, maybe I missed it, but in what ways do you see it being "worse" (FF/FR I mean). My MDN is "different" compared to what I was used to, but in a fairly consistent way.... the "jump back" was larger than it was with Passport. Like you said, that particular change was fairly easy to adapt to.

Obviously I think we both USE this function a LOT, so it's important to those who use it a lot!

Not that we have that ODN rev here... but it would take a week or it could take a year for them to roll it out.

jcalabria
01-25-10, 01:27 PM
Hmmm, maybe I missed it, but in what ways do you see it being "worse" (FF/FR I mean). My MDN is "different" compared to what I was used to, but in a fairly consistent way.... the "jump back" was larger than it was with Passport. Like you said, that particular change was fairly easy to adapt to.

Obviously I think we both USE this function a LOT, so it's important to those who use it a lot!

Not that we have that ODN rev here... but it would take a week or it could take a year for them to roll it out.

The behavior of the FF/REW has always been very different between the 8300HDC and 3090. The 8300HDC had short "samples" that advanced at increasing speed as you went from 1x to 2x to 3x (giving the feeling of an actual FF/REW operation, and had very consistent jump backs that were easy to adapt to. The 3090, with previous ODN releases, had much less consistent and smooth feel to the FF/REW operation... the sample length would change for no apparent reason and the jump back amounts were different than the 8300HDC and not proportional between the 1x, 2x and 3x speeds just within the 3090. However, if you stayed with always using the 3x speed, you eventually could adapt to the 3090 and be pretty consistent in hitting the the right point to end up within a second or two of the end of the commercial.

With the latest update to the 3090 (not sure whether its the ODN update or the Samsung firmware update that goes with it), the sample length during FF is incredibly long - you get one, maybe two frame samples per 30 second commercial, with no sense of it even being in FF mode. Just a series of unrelated frames freezing on the screen. This makes it difficult and inconsistent to hit the beginning of a program because that one freeze frame could be anywhere from from one to twenty seconds into the program... then you add a tremendously long jump back on top of that and you usually end up anywhere from the beginning of the last commercial all the way into the second commercial back. It also seems like it attaches itself to a particular point in the program/commercial, so that no matter how you try to jog back and forth you keep ending up with the same entry points.

Very very frustrating... even worse when added on top of removing a perfectly functioning (in ODN, anyway) Sort by Favorites. Its killing me to have to wade through all the crapola... even checking scheduled recordings is a pain... with Sort by Favorites, I used to be able to see NBC, CBS and ABC on the same guide page simultaneously, with a single page down to see FOX... now, with all the added worthless non-favorite channels added in, the four networks are several pages apart in the guide.

lee7n
01-25-10, 02:33 PM
Same thing happened to me..

My question is- if it was full, why have us do the survey before telling us?

I felt scammed into giving them my info when there was no chance for the access

I was approved but that was like 2 weeks ago and they haven't sent me a way to login yet

bouhhan
01-25-10, 02:37 PM
beinstein - it wasn't full. that was their way of telling you your answers weren't what they wanted to hear.

lee - you should have recieved an email confirmation email/link - check your spam folder.

i just logged into the boards again and there's still nothing there.

ftothe3
01-25-10, 05:38 PM
i've read a bunch of posts saying that the local channels are clear qam. is this true for hd?

for some reason i get cbs and thirteen in hd but not any of the other local stations. anyone else have this problem?

Berk32
01-25-10, 05:50 PM
i've read a bunch of posts saying that the local channels are clear qam. is this true for hd?

for some reason i get cbs and thirteen in hd but not any of the other local stations. anyone else have this problem?

yes it is true

ftothe3
01-26-10, 09:48 AM
yes it is true
any idea why my tuner isn't picking up all of the channels in hd?

lee7n
01-26-10, 10:07 AM
beinstein - it wasn't full. that was their way of telling you your answers weren't what they wanted to hear.

lee - you should have recieved an email confirmation email/link - check your spam folder.

i just logged into the boards again and there's still nothing there.

Nothing in spam, I can log into the boards. Where to you log in to the service? Tried to google it but I can't find the login page

Riverside_Guy
01-26-10, 10:27 AM
The behavior of the FF/REW has always been very different between the 8300HDC and 3090. The 8300HDC had short "samples" that advanced at increasing speed as you went from 1x to 2x to 3x (giving the feeling of an actual FF/REW operation, and had very consistent jump backs that were easy to adapt to. The 3090, with previous ODN releases, had much less consistent and smooth feel to the FF/REW operation... the sample length would change for no apparent reason and the jump back amounts were different than the 8300HDC and not proportional between the 1x, 2x and 3x speeds just within the 3090. However, if you stayed with always using the 3x speed, you eventually could adapt to the 3090 and be pretty consistent in hitting the the right point to end up within a second or two of the end of the commercial.

Ah, thanks so much for the detailed analysis! I think I posted about the "sample size" issue while not calling it that... it certainly was a part of both Passport and MDN.

Berk32
01-26-10, 10:51 AM
any idea why my tuner isn't picking up all of the channels in hd?

a simple scan should find everything....

just make sure your TV is scanning for cable channels and not antenna channels (this could explain why you are only finding 2 and 13)

bouhhan
01-26-10, 10:56 AM
Nothing in spam, I can log into the boards. Where to you log in to the service? Tried to google it but I can't find the login page

you can't yet. there will be another email. i thought you meant you hadn't recieved the log in info for the boards. i feel like it may be a while.

jcalabria
01-26-10, 10:57 AM
Ah, thanks so much for the detailed analysis! I think I posted about the "sample size" issue while not calling it that... it certainly was a part of both Passport and MDN.

Last night it was even flakier... still exceptionally long samples and ridiculously long jumpbacks... but it was varying, even within the same break... One very long sample followed by three shorter ones followed by several long ones.

Again, there were several times that no matter how much I jogged back and forth it always ended up at the exact same (wrong) entry point into the show. Still had many times that hitting play even two or three samples into the program would jump back TWO commercials.

I also noted strange behavior near the end of shows... when FF'ing through the last spot of a show, it would act as normal as it ever does, but if you watched the on-screen progress bar the cursor would jump back to the beginning of the show briefly then return to the correct position.

They definitely broke FF/REW (in the Samsungs, at least) with this latest update. Makes you wonder if they even test this stuff.

coreynyc
01-26-10, 12:33 PM
Are we sure we are getting the Viacom HD channels tomorrow since it is no longer listed on the changes (and hasn't been for at least a week now)?

Berk32
01-26-10, 12:37 PM
Are we sure we are getting the Viacom HD channels tomorrow since it is no longer listed on the changes (and hasn't been for at least a week now)?

yes we are....

that update page always gets updated badly (they dont seem to realize that people cant see the older updates)

Douglasy
01-26-10, 07:55 PM
It wasn't half bad, just different than the HDC boxes, up to the most recent ODN release 3.2.0_15 (so far, released in Charlotte and San Diego). Once you got used to it it wasn't bad at all.

After 3.2.0_15 is loaded on their 3090, I defy anyone to hit a particular point during FF or REW. It's so screwed up it's ridiculous. If they thought they were fixing it, they only made it MUCH worse. The "samples" are HUGE steps, which makes it difficult to judge your progress, and the jump-back is way too big. If you release it the FF when you first see the show return, you will end up watching a full 30 second spot. They did fix the issue with ODN where the box would stop FF/REWing only when you you pressed then released the play button. Now it responds to the initial press of the Play button.

Between the loss of Sort by Favorites and the total screwjob they did on the FF/REW logic (at least in the Samsungs), 3.2.0_15 is a decidedly user-unfriendly release.

If you're on 3.2.0_15, you're WAY ahead of us NYers who are on ODN 3.1.3_5.

Over the past week, my 3090 has actually stopped (knock on wood) having the timeshift/buffer issues that plagued the first 3 3090 boxes (including this one), although the settop remains on 2.4.9.3.

jcalabria
01-26-10, 09:54 PM
If you're on 3.2.0_15, you're WAY ahead of us NYers who are on ODN 3.1.3_5.

Over the past week, my 3090 has actually stopped (knock on wood) having the timeshift/buffer issues that plagued the first 3 3090 boxes (including this one), although the settop remains on 2.4.9.3.


AFAIK, 3.2.0_15 is the next "released version after 3.1.3_5. I previously had ODN 3.1.0_11 and 3.1.3_2 on the 3090, as well as Samsung software versions 2.4.9, 2.4.9.2 and 2.4.9.3. With any of those, FF/REW was "different" than it was with the 8300HDC, but still usable. It's now a total mess. Whether it's due to the ODN update or the Samsung update, I really don't know (but suspect the Samsung update).

Douglasy
01-26-10, 10:44 PM
AFAIK, 3.2.0_15 is the next "released version after 3.1.3_5. I previously had ODN 3.1.0_11 and 3.1.3_2 on the 3090, as well as Samsung software versions 2.4.9, 2.4.9.2 and 2.4.9.3. With any of those, FF/REW was "different" than it was with the 8300HDC, but still usable. It's now a total mess. Whether it's due to the ODN update or the Samsung update, I really don't know (but suspect the Samsung update).

Thanks. What are the major differences (other than screwing with the trick play)? Any big improvements?

jcalabria
01-26-10, 10:51 PM
Thanks. What are the major differences (other than screwing with the trick play)? Any big improvements?


ODN changes:

Removed Sort by Favs feature
Restored buffering of the background tuner
Program searches start at current program
Samsung changes:

Screwed up FF/REW
Changed advanced diagnostics password

Douglasy
01-26-10, 10:56 PM
ODN changes:

Removed Sort by Favs for the guide
Restored buffering of the background tuner
Program searches start at current program
Samsung changes:

Screwed up FF/REW
Changed advanced diagnostics password


Thanks again. Those sound minor/annoying. Is the "view scheduled recording" still defaulting to the menu (by name/by date) rather than going straight into "by date"? Any wishlist on the recordings? Have they restored the ability to FF by 15 minute increments?

One can hope! :)

jcalabria
01-26-10, 11:24 PM
Thanks again. Those sound minor/annoying. Is the "view scheduled recording" still defaulting to the menu (by name/by date) rather than going straight into "by date"? Any wishlist on the recordings? Have they restored the ability to FF by 15 minute increments?

One can hope! :)

Still have to choose between "By Name" and "By Date"

Every ODN version I've had has had 15 min FF jump. What version did not?

Berk32
01-27-10, 12:06 AM
and the wait begins for the newest HD additions...

Berk32
01-27-10, 12:19 AM
aaand we have more HD...

only program guide so far... no picture

net_synapse
01-27-10, 12:22 AM
aaand we have more HD
only program guide so far... no picture



"Live and On The Air" here...(Southern Manhattan) :)

lee7n
01-27-10, 12:37 AM
"Live and On The Air" here...(Southern Manhattan) :)

Working here too in Midtown East

j7f
01-27-10, 01:40 AM
working here in midtown west.

bet, comedy, mtv, and spike.
no vh1...but, palladia DID move in a possible attempt to make room for it.

Berk32
01-27-10, 01:42 AM
only getting picture on BET HD here...

the other 3 (Comedy Central, MTV, Spike) are still blank...

They also moved PalladiaHD from 720 to make room for MTVHD, and swapped channels 72 and 93 as promised

no idea why the other viacom channels (vh1, nickelodeon, and country music tv) weren't announced before.... but they still weren't added....

Solfeggio4
01-27-10, 01:46 AM
Is Palladia gone? If it's between that and MTV, I'll take Palladia back!

tonytapes
01-27-10, 01:47 AM
Are these new channels supposed to be showing up on Staten Island?

Berk32
01-27-10, 01:58 AM
Is Palladia gone? If it's between that and MTV, I'll take Palladia back!

ch 791

Berk32
01-27-10, 01:58 AM
Are these new channels supposed to be showing up on Staten Island?

yes... if they arent there yet, wait until morning...

Berk32
01-27-10, 02:38 AM
still missing the other 3 here.... guess i'll check back in the morning..

DigitalfreakNYC
01-27-10, 06:31 AM
no idea why the other viacom channels (vh1, nickelodeon, and country music tv) weren't announced before.... but they still weren't added....

These were never even rumored, were they?

Riverside_Guy
01-27-10, 09:49 AM
ODN changes:

Removed Sort by Favs feature
Restored buffering of the background tuner
Program searches start at current program
Samsung changes:

Screwed up FF/REW
Changed advanced diagnostics password


If I recall, it HAD been "3090." So are you now locked out until someone figures out the new password? Isn't it also true that in this mode, one can actually change some things that don't appear in the IPG UI?

Riverside_Guy
01-27-10, 09:57 AM
ch 791

What frakking idiocy! There are still 4 unused channels around 720, so they COULD have put both channels sequentially. Instead, they banish Palladia, a channel I do watch to replace it with the far crappier MTV/Reality Show channel.

Looks like they banished 2 ESPN channels up into the 790s as well.

Maybe I missed something, but we seem to have 2 OD HD Spanish channels... WTF with HBO, SHO, CineMax's HD DO channels which we pay for but do NOT get?

lee7n
01-27-10, 10:18 AM
These were never even rumored, were they?

Don't think so this is the original announcement

On or about January 27, 2010 In Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens we will launch MTV HD on ch. 720, Comedy Central HD on ch. 745, BET HD on ch. 737 and Spike TV HD on ch. 736.

TonyNYC
01-27-10, 10:36 AM
Oh happy day! No more UFC fights on Spike TV in lame-o-vision.

MTV in HD would have been cool way back when they "used" to show music videos.

MacAlert
01-27-10, 10:39 AM
ODN changes:

Removed Sort by Favs feature
Restored buffering of the background tuner
Program searches start at current program
Samsung changes:

Screwed up FF/REW
Changed advanced diagnostics password


The screwed up FF/REW on the Samsung is really ticking me off. The only way to "replay" something would be to record it and then rewind. Why doesn't TW ever check this stuff before updating.

nyctveng
01-27-10, 11:03 AM
What frakking idiocy! There are still 4 unused channels around 720, so they COULD have put both channels sequentially. Instead, they banish Palladia, a channel I do watch to replace it with the far crappier MTV/Reality Show channel.

Looks like they banished 2 ESPN channels up into the 790s as well.

Maybe I missed something, but we seem to have 2 OD HD Spanish channels... WTF with HBO, SHO, CineMax's HD DO channels which we pay for but do NOT get?

its not frakking idiocy because there does exist bravo hd, vh1 hd which would go to 718 & 719 respectively if they are carried at some point. wliw will eventually go HD and that would be 721. overall twc's lineup does not have the logically sorting like satellite or fios.

jcalabria
01-27-10, 11:05 AM
If I recall, it HAD been "3090." So are you now locked out until someone figures out the new password? Isn't it also true that in this mode, one can actually change some things that don't appear in the IPG UI?

Yes, it was the model number previously. The only item in there that might still be of interest is to force a factory reset, which in turn forces a complete reload of the operating system from the headend. In some of the earlier releases of Samsung firmware (up through 2.4.9.2, I believe), you also needed to access it to enable AC3/DD over HDMI, but this is enabled by default since 2.4.9.3 (at least) and was not even on the advanced menu any longer. So it's not that big of a deal... other than curiosity, I see no burning reason that access to that menu is needed.

Berk32
01-27-10, 11:23 AM
still missing the other 3 here.... guess i'll check back in the morning..

and they showed up :)

Berk32
01-27-10, 11:29 AM
What frakking idiocy! There are still 4 unused channels around 720, so they COULD have put both channels sequentially. Instead, they banish Palladia, a channel I do watch to replace it with the far crappier MTV/Reality Show channel.

Looks like they banished 2 ESPN channels up into the 790s as well.

Maybe I missed something, but we seem to have 2 OD HD Spanish channels... WTF with HBO, SHO, CineMax's HD DO channels which we pay for but do NOT get?

1) they're trying to match up the HD channels in the 700's with the SD ones in the 0xx's... would've made more sense to put Palladia with Fuse in the 690s... but there are an bunch of channels right now that haven't been placed logically. (I have a feeling a major restructuring is coming soon) Right now the weather channel doesn't match up anymore since the SD version was moved from 72 to 93 but HD is still on 772

2) those 2 ESPN channels (ESPNews, ESPNU) have always been there... might make more sense to put them in the 480s with the other sports HD channels we get without an extra package (along with NBATVHD and MLBHD, which are basically placed in crazy spots right now) - beck when we got all the HD channels a year ago NHL Network, GAMEHD, and VersusHD were also in the 790s, but they started moving some around, but not others, making things look bad.....

3) We don't have any HD spanish on demand channels - they ones in the 790s are just there to be next to the one that was already on channel 800....