maybe if enough people request a channel theyll eventually add it (yea right http://www.clublakers.com/forums/images/smiles/man10.gif). i asked them if they would be adding a dedicated channel for FSN HD and FSN PT HD and they sent me a generic response.

Thank you for taking the time to request a new channel. Your suggestion will be considered the next time we make a line-up change, as we track the incoming requests on a regular basis. We appreciate your feedback because it enables us to provide a product you can enjoy.

nice.. im actually getting the dodgers game on 413 right now instead of soccer

This experience prompted a call to TWC yesterday, to speak with "The Man" in charge of this rollout... or at least responsible for maintaining the HD Products rollout announcement page (http://www.timewarnercable.com/SoCal/Products/HDTV.html) on their web site that describes their plans and schedule. The call was very productive.

At 6PM last night I received a call back telling me that they'd had a meeting with the engineers a few hours earlier, and determined that it WAS actually possible to deliver the 12 new HD channels earlier than the previously scheduled Nov 12th to the former-Comcast areas of Marina Del Rey, Hollywood, and Westchester. These areas apparently had a more modern infrastructure than other areas and thus could be completed on a "fast track".

How can we tell if we're former Comcast?

I still don't understand the lack of SciFi HD.

How can we tell if we're former Comcast?I don't know how it breaks down by zip code, but I think if you're "Hollywood" then you're former-Comcast by definition.

And I guess you're now on for Aug 27th.

I don't know how it breaks down by zip code, but I think if you're "Hollywood" then you're former-Comcast by definition.

And I guess you're now on for Aug 27th.

Thanks for all the info.

I don't know how it breaks down by zip code, but I think if you're "Hollywood" then you're former-Comcast by definition.

It depends on where you live in Hollywood. The original cable system in that part of town was built by Theta Cable Television in the late 1960s. It covered the Hollywood Hills from Ventura Blvd. down to about Hollywood/Sunset Blvd. This franchise was to help folks in the canyons who couldn't get over-the-air TV and only carried channels 2-13 (and it was a treat to get the UHF channels on 3, 6, 8, 10 and 12 in those days).

In the 1980s CommuniCom Cable Television built their Hollywood-Wilshire system from the then Group W Cable line in Hollywood down to the 10 freeway, plus Culver City and Venice. CommuniCom eventually became Comcast and now TWC. Group W eventually became Century, then Adelphia and now Time Warner.

I used to work for CommuniCom in the '80s. We would have people call us, tell us their ZIP and we'd have to look on a map to see which side of the line they were on, since the ZIPs don't match the franchise boundaries. In some cases, the line was on Hollywood Blvd. and in the old days, in order to hook up an apartment house on the wrong side of the street (before CommuniCom built that area), Theta would string a drop across the Blvd. and wire up the building. Then CommuniCom came along, wired up that side of Hollywood Blvd., but didn't hook up that single apartment building. Made for some interesting conversations from those who wanted our better channel line-up (at the time), but lived in the Group W served building on the CommuniCom side of the street.

United Cable TV built the East Valley from Ventura Blvd north and Valley Cable TV built the West Valley. Now that TWC owns practically the whole town, the have to upgrade/rebuild and modernize several desperate systems into a unified whole.

A couple of things to notice, this map shows the City of Los Angeles. Beverly Hills was also an original Theta Cable/Group W/Century/Adelphia franchise along with West Hollywood. Santa Monica and the LA County area of Marina del Rey. The City of Los Angeles areas around the Marina were built by CommuniCom, later Comcast. The original Theta Cable franchise is labeled Adelphia/Sherman Oaks/Eagle Rock and WLA on the maps.

http://www.lacity.org/ita/media/cablemap2.jpg

Here's an old map that might help out City of Los Angeles Cable Franchise Areas (pdf) (http://www.la36.org/documents/cablemap.pdf)

I remember Theta Cable. Only channels available back then were the over-the-air channels. Oh yeah, there were also a bunch of text channels with news/scores/weather, but not anybody with people. Other than the Z Channel, I think the 1st national cable channel on Theta (and probably everywhere else) was SuperStation WTBS.

I remember Theta Cable. Only channels available back then were the over-the-air channels. Oh yeah, there were also a bunch of text channels with news/scores/weather, but not anybody with people. Other than the Z Channel, I think the 1st national cable channel on Theta (and probably everywhere else) was SuperStation WTBS.

Ahhhh the old days. Yes I remember. The brown boxes with three level switch and clicking keys across the face...

it depends on where you live in hollywood. The original cable system in that part of town was built by theta cable television in the late 1960s. It covered the hollywood hills from ventura blvd. Down to about hollywood/sunset blvd. This franchise was to help folks in the canyons who couldn't get over-the-air tv and only carried channels 2-13 (and it was a treat to get the uhf channels on 3, 6, 8, 10 and 12 in those days).

In the 1980s communicom cable television built their hollywood-wilshire system from the then group w cable line in hollywood down to the 10 freeway, plus culver city and venice. Communicom eventually became comcast and now twc. Group w eventually became century, then adelphia and now time warner.

I used to work for communicom in the '80s. We would have people call us, tell us their zip and we'd have to look on a map to see which side of the line they were on, since the zips don't match the franchise boundaries. In some cases, the line was on hollywood blvd. And in the old days, in order to hook up an apartment house on the wrong side of the street (before communicom built that area), theta would string a drop across the blvd. And wire up the building. Then communicom came along, wired up that side of hollywood blvd., but didn't hook up that single apartment building. Made for some interesting conversations from those who wanted our better channel line-up (at the time), but lived in the group w served building on the communicom side of the street.

United cable tv built the east valley from ventura blvd north and valley cable tv built the west valley. Now that twc owns practically the whole town, the have to upgrade/rebuild and modernize several desperate systems into a unified whole.

A couple of things to notice, this map shows the city of los angeles. Beverly hills was also an original theta cable/group w/century/adelphia franchise along with west hollywood. Santa monica and the la county area of marina del rey. The city of los angeles areas around the marina were built by communicom, later comcast. The original theta cable franchise is labeled adelphia/sherman oaks/eagle rock and wla on the maps.

http://www.lacity.org/ita/media/cablemap2.jpg

here's an old map that might help out city of los angeles cable franchise areas (pdf) (http://www.la36.org/documents/cablemap.pdf)

perhaps the most important l.a. Cable info post in the history of avs

Ahhhh the old days. Yes I remember. The brown boxes with three level switch and clicking keys across the face...

You had three rows? Ours only had 2 rows 2-13 and A-P I think. Z Channel was on Cable 98 then, no traps. You needed the box with the Z on it. But we found out if you pushed 2 and 8 at the same time, the box would tune to Z! No volume, just channels and fine tuning, and it wasn't wireless. There was a long brown cord from the base unit to the switch box. This started our fights over the remote control. But I'm convinced that the cable box saved a lot of wear and tear on the channel changing knob on the Sears color console.

But before the box, it was just 2-13. KCET was on 6 (still is on our system) and on 12 was Local Access, first a camera on a teletype machine, then some local programming from the Theta Studios in Santa Monica (same building TWC is in now).

Only need for cable where I grew up was for the UHF channels, we got the VHFs okay (in black and white) with the rooftop antenna from Radio Shack. But $5 a month to get KCET was worth it back then.

Hopefully most of that old plant from 1968 is now gone. But my Mom is still in the same house, with some of the old RG-59 still inside the house! Luckly we got the very long drop replaced several years ago when they got HSD and digital.

Z Channel from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Channel)

You had three rows? Ours only had 2 rows 2-13 and A-P I think. Z Channel was on Cable 98 then, no traps. You needed the box with the Z on it. But we found out if you pushed 2 and 8 at the same time, the box would tune to Z! No volume, just channels and fine tuning, and it wasn't wireless. There was a long brown cord from the base unit to the switch box. This started our fights over the remote control. But I'm convinced that the cable box saved a lot of wear and tear on the channel changing knob on the Sears color console.

But before the box, it was just 2-13. KCET was on 6 (still is on our system) and on 12 was Local Access, first a camera on a teletype machine, then some local programming from the Theta Studios in Santa Monica (same building TWC is in now).

Only need for cable where I grew up was for the UHF channels, we got the VHFs okay (in black and white) with the rooftop antenna from Radio Shack. But $5 a month to get KCET was worth it back then.

Hopefully most of that old plant from 1968 is now gone. But my Mom is still in the same house, with some of the old RG-59 still inside the house! Luckly we got the very long drop replaced several years ago when they got HSD and digital.

Z Channel from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Channel)

I grew up back East but when I moved to Santa Monica in 1981 I got cable for the first time. Pretty sure it was still Theta but started changing soon thereafter. Had Z! and HBO too.
If you have a Harmony remote, or not, check out http://www.iconharmony.com (http://www.iconharmony.com/), look under "Z". ;)

Question for everybody here. I've been scanning with my Samsung H260F and it seems like I can't get all the cable channels. Do you absolutely have to get a STB from TW to get all the channels I was getting with analog cable? I don't feel like paying a monthly fee for a dumb box.

Question for everybody here. I've been scanning with my Samsung H260F and it seems like I can't get all the cable channels. Do you absolutely have to get a STB from TW to get all the channels I was getting with analog cable? I don't feel like paying a monthly fee for a dumb box.

If your set has a QAM tuner you'll get some channels including local HD. If you want them all you'll need that dumb box.

Z Channel was on Cable 98 then, no traps. You needed the box with the Z on it. But we found out if you pushed 2 and 8 at the same time, the box would tune to Z!



Yeah, I wonder how many people knew that? I found out the combo when someone else and I were having a disagreement regarding what channel we would be watching. So when we hit the buttons together, some movie channel appeared. I rememeber that eventuallly the buttons would not stay down anymore. However, we kept the broken box anyway in case the trick would not work on a replacement box.

isnt ESPN HD supposed to be broadcast in 720p? ESPN2 HD and ESPN News HD are both 720p but when i recorded ESPN today it was upconverted to 1080i.

isnt ESPN HD supposed to be broadcast in 720p? ESPN2 HD and ESPN News HD are both 720p but when i recorded ESPN today it was upconverted to 1080i.Recorded via firewire, from Moto 64xx/34xx box to DVHS?

You're right, this recording method should not have done any resolution conversion. Output via firewire is the true original resolution of the source datastream. I can confirm it works that way on my own system.

The Moto box has a low-level setting for video conversion for output from its component video, which will upconvert 720p to 1080i because it does not have the ability to "pass-through" either 720p or 1080i. So you pick your one-and-only output (via component video) for everything, and live with it.

But firewire transfer does nothing to the original datastream. It is exactly what was provided to the Moto box, un-upconverted.

I assume you're examining the resolution of your recording by playing back the recording from DVHS to your HDTV and pushing some "display" button somewhere to view that resolution... and seeing 1080i. Are you watching the recording through another component video connection from DVHS to HDTV? Does your DVHS VCR also have some kind of output resolution setting? Do you have that set to 1080i? If so, that's where you're getting the conversion. My JVC DT100U and 40K have a "pass-through" setting for component video, as they are capable of displaying either 720p or 1080i via component video and this setting retains the original resolution even watching via component video (assuming the HDTV can accept either input resolution, of course).

If you have an alternative DIGITAL way of viewing your DVHS recording on your HDTV that retains the digital datastream (e.g. via DVI/HDMI or firewire, to your HDTV)? If so, I'm sure you'd see the 720p original resolution. No resolution upconversion occurs using this digital pass-through of the source to the display device (unless your HDTV is doing its own, at the very end).

One more note received from TWC, for Rangers4Me and others:

"The 12 New HD channels are scheduled to be launched in Santa Monica in December.

"Regarding GameHD and Team HD. We are currently looking into this."

Wow, Im confused or shocked now. They moved the new HD channels launch date in my area from December 17, 2008 to this month August.

EDIT: I'm in a former Comcast area.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/SoCal/Products/HDTV.html
If you would have read the message 2 before yours (#5497) you would have seen why and not been confused. /Dan ;)

Recorded via firewire, from Moto 64xx/34xx box to DVHS?

You're right, this recording method should not have done any resolution conversion. Output via firewire is the true original resolution of the source datastream. I can confirm it works that way on my own system.

The Moto box has a low-level setting for video conversion for output from its component video, which will upconvert 720p to 1080i because it does not have the ability to "pass-through" either 720p or 1080i. So you pick your one-and-only output (via component video) for everything, and live with it.

But firewire transfer does nothing to the original datastream. It is exactly what was provided to the Moto box, un-upconverted.

I assume you're examining the resolution of your recording by playing back the recording from DVHS to your HDTV and pushing some "display" button somewhere to view that resolution... and seeing 1080i. Are you watching the recording through another component video connection from DVHS to HDTV? Does your DVHS VCR also have some kind of output resolution setting? Do you have that set to 1080i? If so, that's where you're getting the conversion. My JVC DT100U and 40K have a "pass-through" setting for component video, as they are capable of displaying either 720p or 1080i via component video and this setting retains the original resolution even watching via component video (assuming the HDTV can accept either input resolution, of course).

If you have an alternative DIGITAL way of viewing your DVHS recording on your HDTV that retains the digital datastream (e.g. via DVI/HDMI or firewire, to your HDTV)? If so, I'm sure you'd see the 720p original resolution. No resolution upconversion occurs using this digital pass-through of the source to the display device (unless your HDTV is doing its own, at the very end).

yea im recording through firewire with my moto dch-3200 but directly to my computer so capdvhs tells me what resolution its recording in. my box is connected to my TV via HDMI and is set to 720p but like you said that has nothing to do with the firewire output resolution. i guess the upconverting is coming from TWCs end since as far as i can remember ESPN was always 720p.

If your set has a QAM tuner you'll get some channels including local HD. If you want them all you'll need that dumb box.

Thx for the reply Joe221. I'm noticing that there are starting to be some CableCard STB out there. A person could even find a second hand Motorola CableCard STB on ebay. If I were to get a cablecard ready tuner and get the cablecard from TW would that work?

Thx for the reply Joe221. I'm noticing that there are starting to be some CableCard STB out there. A person could even find a second hand Motorola CableCard STB on ebay. If I were to get a cablecard ready tuner and get the cablecard from TW would that work?

I doubt it. Those boxes on Ebay aren't exactly Kosher, if you get my drift.
;)

If you would have read the message 2 before yours (#5497) you would have seen why and not been confused. /Dan ;)
Yeah, I read it after I made that replied, I got too excited :p

I doubt it. Those boxes on Ebay aren't exactly Kosher, if you get my drift.
;)

Joe, PM sent.

heres some screenshots and a vid of how my ESPN is now


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2852/espn1oy6.th.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=espn1oy6.jpg)http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2419/espn2sy8.th.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=espn2sy8.jpg)http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9848/espn3bc8.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=espn3bc8.jpg)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/sq304l

I had a TWC technician come out to my house to repair something routine and I asked him if USA HD will only be carried during the Olympics and he said that's not true and it will be a permanent channel. He said USA HD was one of the additional HD channels that was set to launch in '09 but the demand was so high because of the Olympics coverage that they added it early..They did the same thing with TBS HD for the MLB playoffs last year

This is GREAT news for WWE wrestling fans because not only will Monday night RAW finally be in HD.....I also discovered that it will air LIVE @ 6 p.m. because the USA HD channel is an east coast feed :)

Dude, this info is wrong, they are not keeping USA HD. In a lighter note, it looks like the 27th of Aug. is solid for some former Comcast areas to get the new HD channels.

Anyone will getting a MTV HD, Nick HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD, Spike HD and MHD through clear QAM?

Anyone will getting a MTV HD, Nick HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD, Spike HD and MHD through clear QAM?

TWC only has MHD. it doesnt carry those other channels. i never got MHD with my QAM tuner.

No premiums except now for the Olympic group and FSW before.

Anyone will getting a MTV HD, Nick HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD, Spike HD and MHD through clear QAM?

Ronald are you getting them?

is ABC Family HD working for everyone else? for me it just says "one moment please. this channel should be available shortly."

is ABC Family HD working for everyone else? for me it just says "one moment please. this channel should be available shortly."

It's working for me here in the O.C.

does anyone know when they are adding Travel Channel HD??? It's one of the channels that i watch all the time even if it's a replay.

Looking forward to the 27th in westchester. I'm not expecting much. :P

i sent TWC an email asking why theyre upconverting ESPN HD and this is what they said

Thank you for choosing Time Warner Cable. ESPN HD is now upgraded to 1080i to provide true HD quality.

HELP! Anybody transcribing to D-VHS???

My DVR screwed up last night and thought it had run out of room. I had been casually setting recordings daily but not opting for "save until I delete".

So in its attempt to find room for a new recording it unfortunately deleted my Thursday night recordings, for NBC prime time and the late night show (which ran late because of the men's beach volleyball). Of course even if I'd marked those other recordings to not be deleted, the new recording wouldn't have been made as the box thought it was out of room (which it really wasn't).

I've been transcribing to D-VHS from my Moto 3416 since the games began (eliminating commercials and worthless events... to me) and wouldn't want to lose last night's relays and finals.

Has anybody else with a Moto DVR been archiving to D-VHS like me? Do you still have your recording from last night on your DVR? Can you make me a copy (I'll pay you for tapes, time and shipping)?

Or do you have a D-VHS archive already that you can copy for me? If not, I can make a copy of yours, so if you send it to me I'll copy it and send your back to you.

Please PM me if you can help. Last night wasn't a super-critical one to lose, if I had to lose one, but I really wanted to watch these events (including the end of the Decathalon).

If you still have last night's prime time and late night sessions on your Moto DVR but don't have a D-VHS VCR, I'll be glad to drive to your place with my VCR and make my own recordings from your DVR. Then I'll leave quietly and return home.

Many thanks.

i sent TWC an email asking why theyre upconverting ESPN HD and this is what they saidSorry to say it, but both ESPN HD and ESPN2 HD are still 720p for me.

Marina Del Rey (former Comcast), Moto 3416 (set to 1080i for component video output).

3416 -> JVC 40K D-VHS VCR via firewire -> Sony 34XBR960 via component video

My JVC D-VHS 40K is set to "no conv", so source 720p is sent out as 720p and source 1080i is sent out as 1080i. My XBR960 shows 720p for both ESPNs.

i wonder why theyre upconverting for me then. someone in another thread from huntington beach said theirs was also being upconverted to 1080i. as i said earlier, ESPN 2 and ESPN News are both still in 720p.

i sent TWC an email asking why theyre upconverting ESPN HD and this is what they said

So 720p is not "true HD"??? :rolleyes:

Reminds me of when I first got an HD STB four years ago for my (then) 720p TV, the TWC installer told me he couldn't set the box to the set's native resolution, because "720p wasn't HD." (Actually, he couldn't set the box to output 720p over component because the Moto 6200 didn't support it at that time, which was apparently beyond his limited comprehesion.)

i responded to their previous email asking for a reason why theyre upconverting for my area and not others and this is what they said

Thank you for your response. We will be happy to assist you. After careful consideration, upgrading to 1080i, was the final decision. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause. We thank you for your feedback, this information will be used in consideration for future changes. At this time, there is no further information that can be granted as why the decision was determined. Once again we apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for being a loyal Time Warner Cable customer.

i responded to their previous email asking for a reason why theyre upconverting for my area and not others and this is what they saidWhere exactly in LA do you live? Who was your former carrier? What is your STB/DVR equipment? Do you have the 12 new HD channels yet?

Remind me again... which of the ESPN family of channels do you see upconverted to 1080i? Did this coincide with the arrival of the 12 new HD channels (if you have them)?

I'll "tap my inside sources" and see if I can get a real answer for you. Seems remarkable that they would not do this system-wide, but somehow manage to do it uniquely for just one area.

Again, my ESPN-HD/ESPN2-HD are still both 720p, and I do NOT yet have the 12 new HD channels (but hopefully in 4 days!!).

Has anyone noticed that the sound and picture out of synch on 411? It's fine on 11.

Where exactly in LA do you live? Who was your former carrier? What is your STB/DVR equipment? Do you have the 12 new HD channels yet?

Remind me again... which of the ESPN family of channels do you see upconverted to 1080i? Did this coincide with the arrival of the 12 new HD channels (if you have them)?

I'll "tap my inside sources" and see if I can get a real answer for you. Seems remarkable that they would not do this system-wide, but somehow manage to do it uniquely for just one area.

Again, my ESPN-HD/ESPN2-HD are still both 720p, and I do NOT yet have the 12 new HD channels (but hopefully in 4 days!!).

Receiver: Motorola DCH3200
Former Carrier: Adelphia
Service Area: Eagle Rock

ive had digital cable for about 2 weeks now and i had all the HD channels from the start. when i first got my firewire cable a couple days after i upgraded, ESPN was still in 720p. i didnt notice until around 5 days ago that it was now being upconverted to 1080i. its the only ESPN channel that got upconverted. im still receiving ESPN 2 and ESPN News in 720p.

Receiver: Motorola DCH3200
Former Carrier: Adelphia
Service Area: Eagle Rock

ive had digital cable for about 2 weeks now and i had all the HD channels from the start. when i first got my firewire cable a couple days after i upgraded, ESPN was still in 720p. i didnt notice until around 5 days ago that it was now being upconverted to 1080i. its the only ESPN channel that got upconverted. im still receiving ESPN 2 and ESPN News in 720p.

As i posted weeks ago ESPN HD is converted to 1080i.Also they have been downconverting NGC-HD,History HD and A&E HD to 720p.All these stations are normally 1080i.TWC also upconverted KTTV HD and KABC HD to 1080i for a week or so a while back but they changed them back.

CaCHooKa Man, do you receive ABC Family HD on 436? I don't(I'm also Eagle Rock).

As i posted weeks ago ESPN HD is converted to 1080i.Also they have been downconverting NGC-HD,History HD and A&E HD to 720p.All these stations are normally 1080i.TWC also upconverted KTTV HD and KABC HD to 1080i for a week or so a while back but they changed them back.

CaCHooKa Man, do you receive ABC Family HD on 436? I don't(I'm also Eagle Rock).

nope.. it says "one moment please. this channel should be available shortly."

Has anyone noticed that the sound and picture out of synch on 411? It's fine on 11.

Yes I noticed that during Good Day LA yesterday morning on Ch 411. It's still a a little off.

interesting.. my ESPN is back to 720p now. i guess it was only upconverted to 1080i during the olympics? although that wouldnt make sense since it only started upconverting a couple days ago.

So do we get to keep USA-HD or not? It might come in handy during the US Open (tennis).

So do we get to keep USA-HD or not? It might come in handy during the US Open (tennis).

not here in huntington. usa-hd went off the air at the strike of midnight.

NOPE..... TWC screwed their customers and especially WWE fans and removed it

I don't get it ??

I remember when they were forced to add TBS HD because of the MLB playoffs
...Did they take it away after the playoffs ?...... NO !


I'm NOT happy with TWC and if I hadn't ordered MLB extra innings I would switch to Direct TV in a heartbeat

not here in huntington. usa-hd went off the air at the strike of midnight.

I still have them all (in QAM) in West LA former A*.

HELP! Anybody transcribing to D-VHS???

My DVR screwed up last night and thought it had run out of room. I had been casually setting recordings daily but not opting for "save until I delete".

So in its attempt to find room for a new recording it unfortunately deleted my Thursday night recordings, for NBC prime time and the late night show (which ran late because of the men's beach volleyball). Of course even if I'd marked those other recordings to not be deleted, the new recording wouldn't have been made as the box thought it was out of room (which it really wasn't).

I've been transcribing to D-VHS from my Moto 3416 since the games began (eliminating commercials and worthless events... to me) and wouldn't want to lose last night's relays and finals.

Has anybody else with a Moto DVR been archiving to D-VHS like me? Do you still have your recording from last night on your DVR? Can you make me a copy (I'll pay you for tapes, time and shipping)?

Or do you have a D-VHS archive already that you can copy for me? If not, I can make a copy of yours, so if you send it to me I'll copy it and send your back to you.

Please PM me if you can help. Last night wasn't a super-critical one to lose, if I had to lose one, but I really wanted to watch these events (including the end of the Decathalon).

If you still have last night's prime time and late night sessions on your Moto DVR but don't have a D-VHS VCR, I'll be glad to drive to your place with my VCR and make my own recordings from your DVR. Then I'll leave quietly and return home.

Many thanks.

On Channel 1050 HD Showcase they have a tab for the Beijing Olympics...they will probably have what you are looking for...if that doesn't work there may be other channels with the Olympics feed....the one on HD Showcase is cool because it is the important stuff in HD commercial free...hope this helps...

On Channel 1050 HD Showcase they have a tab for the Beijing Olympics...they will probably have what you are looking for...if that doesn't work there may be other channels with the Olympics feed....the one on HD Showcase is cool because it is the important stuff in HD commercial free...hope this helps...Yes, I'd already looked into that method.

Unfortunately you "can look but you cannot touch". In other words, this VOD stuff is meant for watching but not recording.

Even though this was originally free OTA content with "5C=copy always", their VOD recordings are marked as "5C=copy never".

So the 5C-compliant D-VHS VCR throws up a message about "error 103 unable to record this program", with the content actually visible in the background under the error message. However there is nothing being recorded during this time and it plays back black.

So yes, I will be able to watch some things from that Thursday night if they have it on HD Showcase. But my tape-for-posterity project is just going to be incomplete for that night, I'm afraid.

NOPE..... TWC screwed their customers and especially WWE fans and removed it

I don't get it ??

I remember when they were forced to add TBS HD because of the MLB playoffs
...Did they take it away after the playoffs ?...... NO !


I'm NOT happy with TWC and if I hadn't ordered MLB extra innings I would switch to Direct TV in a heartbeat

Time Warner Cable adding a Time Warner network, and then not getting rid of it? They weren't forced to add it, they chose the playoffs to roll it out. The channel didn't even go on the air until September of last year.

I hate losing USAHD, but comparing it to how TBS was added is apples and oranges. Coverage deals are obviously going to be far easier between sister companies.

So do we get to keep USA-HD or not? It might come in handy during the US Open (tennis).
When I woke up this morning, USA-HD was still available in Arleta. I just checked a couple of minutes ago and it is now gone.

both USA HD and CNBC HD are gone for me now. universal HD is still working for me even though i dont subscibe to that tier.

Both USA HD and CNBC HD are gone for me now. Universal HD is still working for me even though I don't subscribe to that tier.

Same here, UHD coming through on clear QAM.

When I woke up this morning, USA-HD was still available in Arleta. I just checked a couple of minutes ago and it is now gone.

Gone in Oxnard also. I was hoping to keep it for Monk,Pysch and L&O:CI all in HD. If they can add new channels and take them away at will why the long wait for roll outs of new channels. Plus add some channels people actually want to watch. That would be a novel approach. :rolleyes:

I check every week to see if Fios is available in my zip code. When it is guess who I'll be saying bye bye to. ;)

Jim

Yep I'm in Oxnard too and can't wait untill Fios arrives

Same here, UHD coming through on clear QAM.
As of right now, all three U-HD, USA-HD and CNBC-HD are working for me in QAM on my Vizio SV42XVT tv, but only one U-HD works on my AOC 42" QAM.

Check these QAM channels:

81-622 USA-HD
87-561 U-HD
89-577 CNBC-HD

To All:

Be sure and call and complain that USA-HD was taken off. Ask TW why they waste limited available channels and bandwidth by carrying loser stations like 410 that almost never broadcast HD when great stations like 450 are taken off.

does anyone know when well be getting ESPNU HD? its supposed to be launching on the 28th and TWC has a deal with them. i wont get my hopes up though.

In Encino, both USA HD and CNBC HD are still up and running. USA HD is showing the US Open. Hopefully, these channels will remain, but if not, I hope they last throughout the rest of the tennis coverage.

In Encino, both USA HD and CNBC HD are still up and running. USA HD is showing the US Open. Hopefully, these channels will remain, but if not, I hope they last throughout the rest of the tennis coverage.

Speaking of Encino...when do we get our new tier of HD channels? :cool:

In Encino, both USA HD and CNBC HD are still up and running. USA HD is showing the US Open. Hopefully, these channels will remain, but if not, I hope they last throughout the rest of the tennis coverage.

West LA still up on all three.

West LA still up on all three.

Is that through box or QAM? In Anaheim during the Olympics I only got UHD in the clear and like 2 hours after the Olympics were over it was back scrambled. Plus for some reason FSW HD and the music choice channels are all scrambled now. What is up with that? TWC is a huge joke that is way worse than Adelphia ever was.

Is that through box or QAM? In Anaheim during the Olympics I only got UHD in the clear and like 2 hours after the Olympics were over it was back scrambled. Plus for some reason FSW HD and the music choice channels are all scrambled now. What is up with that? TWC is a huge joke that is way worse than Adelphia ever was.

QAM, my prime supplier is D*.

In the former Adelphia section of Encino, we got the additional HD channels (e.g., Hist. A&E, CNN, HGTV, etc.) in early July. I assume that's what you mean by "the new tier." As for CNBC HD and USA HD, I get them (and all my channels) through the cable box (HD DVR).

Anyone getting FSN HD and/or Prime Ticket HD on Clear QAM now that the Olympics are over?

anyone have a list of the clear QAM channel list for south division?

seems like knbc and universal hd are all gone right after the olympic.

And this evening in Encino, CNBC HD and USA HD are GONERIA! Those bastards!

As i posted weeks ago ESPN HD is converted to 1080i.Also they have been downconverting NGC-HD,History HD and A&E HD to 720p.All these stations are normally 1080i.Although my DVR/Guide has not been updated yet to show the 12 new HD channels (promised by 7AM tomorrow), I rescanned the cable into my 34XBR960 to see what it would show through its QAM tuner.

Lo and behold, the 12 new HD channels are there already, as well as the other free local OTA HD networks.

And as reported by others NGC-HD and A&E-HD are 720p, but according to other web postings (including for D*) that's what they're supposed to be. Also ESPN News HD is 720p, and Hist-HD too. Again, that's what they're supposed to be I believe.

Although my DVR/Guide has not been updated yet to show the 12 new HD channels (promised by 7AM tomorrow), I rescanned the cable into my 34XBR960 to see what it would show through its QAM tuner.

Lo and behold, the 12 new HD channels are there already, as well as the other free local OTA HD networks.

And as reported by others NGC-HD and A&E-HD are 720p, but according to other web postings (including for D*) that's what they're supposed to be. Also ESPN News HD is 720p, and Hist-HD too. Again, that's what they're supposed to be I believe.

TWC had NGC,A&E and History for a while in 1080i,that's why i thought that it was the correct resolution.It turns out only History HD is broadcasting in 1080i of the three.

Here is a list of most stations and their broadcast resolutions:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=164671

my ESPN is back to being 720p. once the olympics ended it went back to normal.

And this evening in Encino, CNBC HD and USA HD are GONERIA! Those bastards!

Same here in Fullerton. Grrr:mad:

According to Time Warner customer service this evening, they're behind schedule. The 12 new channels have been delayed 7 days untll September 4th in the Los Angeles/Hollywood area.

(_*#$_@#$.

TWC had NGC,A&E and History for a while in 1080i,that's why i thought that it was the correct resolution.It turns out only History HD is broadcasting in 1080i of the three.

Here is a list of most stations and their broadcast resolutions:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=164671That thread shows History HD as 720p. Also confirms 720p for NGC and A&E.

No idea why or how they would have changed them to 1080i for some temporary period. Anyway, as of yesterday for me they were all at 720p as shown in that thread.

Time Warner is such an epic fail, they can't even accurately inform customers that they failed.

The channels are active here as of 6am.

Time Warner is such an epic fail, they can't even accurately inform customers that they failed.

The channels are active here as of 6am.They actually were "active" for me (via QAM) yesterday.

They just weren't yet in the Guide, although I'd been assured they would appear there by 7AM this morning, 8/27.

Is it me or has Time-Warner East San Fernando Valley started compressing the network HD signals?

I just got the 12 new HD channels this morning. Unfortunately, getting the "Not Authorized" message on all 12 channels. Probably will disappear later today or tomorrow. Same thing happened with KCOP-HD (Ch. 410) when it launched, received "Not Authorized" message, next day the channel was available.

Carson eh? I'm in Torrance, I'll have to check when I get home....

Oh, and is there anyway on Passport to tell is SDV is active or not??

Carson eh? I'm in Torrance, I'll have to check when I get home....

Oh, and is there anyway on Passport to tell is SDV is active or not??
Passport is not going to be upgraded to handle SDV. Navigator will be installed first before you will have SDV. /Dan

K, thanks danki...

And this evening in Encino, CNBC HD and USA HD are GONERIA! Those bastards!

Mark that "Goneria" had me laughing out loud...good one

TWC-Costa Mesa-Former Comcast
Motorola 6416

I read about TWC finally getting more HD channels(finally) on this thread a couple of weeks ago. Went to TWC site and saw that PART of my city, Costa Mesa, was supposed to have them already. Called TWC and asked them when the part of the city I live in was supposed to get them. They said not until November! Didn't really understand the 3 month gap, but just had to write it off as "just one more great tragedy in my life". :D

I did get local channel 13(My TV), 410 on box, when the Olympics ended. Not much there in HD though.

This morning I was checking the channel guide and Great News!, the new channels were listed there! The Bad News is that when I tried to select any of them. All I got was the "Not Authorized" screen. I DO suscribe to the Hd channel tier, so I make another call to TWC. The rep was nice, but couldn't tell me anything. She said that she sent a detailed message to higher-ups regarding my situation and that they would call me. I don't plan on holding my breath waiting for their call though. Could prove to be fatal. :D

Does anyone have any idea when I will be able to access the new HD channels. I read here about a big roll-out of the new channels on August 27th, with 1 post stating some areas have been delayed until Sept. 4th. Am I one of those, or will I have to wait until November?

Seems kind of vicious to tease me by listing those channels on my HD channel line-up, and then not let me access them. :(

So I am not the only one. As I said earlier in my post today, I get the "Not Authorized" message on the new HD channels. I need to contact TWC to see what's up. Also, channel 435 (Disney Channel HD) is not loading any guide data, even though I cant watch it now.

So I am not the only one. As I said earlier in my post today, I get the "Not Authorized" message on the new HD channels. I need to contact TWC to see what's up. Also, channel 435 (Disney Channel HD) is not loading any guide data, even though I cant watch it now.

Hope you have better luck getting an answer than I did. Please post the response you get from them. I'm not getting 435 guide data either.

So, now that Time Warner and the Big Ten Network made a deal, do we have any chance of getting that on our digital package in California? Or will they only carry it on Midwest Time Warner locals? I know they will have it on basic packages in the midwest, and I don't expect them to do that here...but I hope it shows up on the digital tier! Anyone have any info?

Wohoo, just got all the new HD channels here in Westchester / 90045!

Finally! And CNN HD in time for the election.

No USA HD will suck, but TLC/Disc/CNN/History HD makes up for that.

-Ben

So, now that Time Warner and the Big Ten Network made a deal, do we have any chance of getting that on our digital package in California? Or will they only carry it on Midwest Time Warner locals? I know they will have it on basic packages in the midwest, and I don't expect them to do that here...but I hope it shows up on the digital tier! Anyone have any info?

theyll probably eventually add it onto the sports tier

theyll probably eventually add it onto the sports tier

and eventually means August 25, 2010.. ;)

No go here in Torrance, even though Carson is right next door to me...what a surprise.

Is there anyone here from Upland/Ontario that has received the new channels? I called TWC, and they stated that I should have the channels already, but not so. I have the HD tier, but no channels form the box or by QAM on my 2nd set. I was told that we are linked to Chino by one service person, and San Bernardino by another. We had USAHD and CNNHDfor the Olympics, but after, they were gone as well.

In downtown LA as of yesterday we got all the channels except for the disney HD ch.

I wish TW would make a deal for Universal stations SciFi and USA HD.

Also i wish they would make Kcop 413 and move the premium stations to the 490s

So I am not the only one. As I said earlier in my post today, I get the "Not Authorized" message on the new HD channels. I need to contact TWC to see what's up. Also, channel 435 (Disney Channel HD) is not loading any guide data, even though I cant watch it now.
Its about time, the channels are working now. :)

Anyone getting FSN HD and/or Prime Ticket HD on Clear QAM now that the Olympics are over?

anyone?

miss having Dodgers games in HD :(

Its about time, the channels are working now. :)

They're all up-and-running for me too!

hmm.. ESPN HD is back to being upconverted to 1080i. :confused:

on a side note, my abc family hd is finally working. maybe that has to do with TWC upconverting ESPN again.

anyone?

miss having Dodgers games in HD :(

FSW HD has been scrambled for me since the end of the Olympics along with the music choice channels. I think when they were switching the feed back from the Olympic soccer channel they just decided "hey lets screw our customers some more and get rid of a channel we have had in the clear all year with one month left in baseball season.

I guess I will just deal with it because I refuse to get a 2nd box because of the $3 "programming" charge they tack on per month for extra boxes which kinda makes me think its more of a steal your money because we can charge.

FSW HD has been scrambled for me since the end of the Olympics along with the music choice channels. I think when they were switching the feed back from the Olympic soccer channel they just decided "hey lets screw our customers some more and get rid of a channel we have had in the clear all year with one month left in baseball season.I think there's a more benign explanation for this, just an unintentional screwup.

What part of LA do you live in? Former Comcast or Adelphia or TWC?

When the Olympics ended FSNHD for me turned into a "not authorized" channel, as if it were somehow now a premium channel. I contacted TWC and by the next day it had reverted back to "color bars" (because nothing was on at the time). No more "not authorized".

I'd call them if I were you, and get this straightened out either for you and/or your neighborhood.

It has NOT turned into a premium channel. Should be just as it was before.

anyone?

miss having Dodgers games in HD :(I've sent an email to my "inside man" at TWC about this, since it sounds like you have the same issue that affected me as well: "not authorized" on 413 once they took it back from its Olympics special state. By the next day they'd fixed this (for me, anyway) and I had the usual color bars during off-hours. No more "not authorized".

I assumed this was a system-wide correction, but apparently it only affected my Marina Del Rey (former Comcast) area and possibly other neighborhoods, but not all areas.

Hopefully you will see this fixed in your area tomorrow or soon, but you should call TWC and ask them to reset things for you or contact their head-end. I don't believe this was intentional.

^my channel 413 was fine all throughout the olympics. i even got the occasional dodgers and angels games when they werent showing any soccer. i cant check QAM anymore since id have to unplug the cable from my box and connect it to my TV.

^my channel 413 was fine all throughout the olympics. i even got the occasional dodgers and angels games when they werent showing any soccer. i cant check QAM anymore since id have to unplug the cable from my box and connect it to my TV.

Splitter?

Splitter?That's exactly what I just did this week, with the arrival of the 12 HD channels to my area.

I'd never scanned QAM off the coax with my 34XBR960 before now, but decided to go through the whole process after newly splitting the cable into both the DVR and HDTV (cable input on the 960).

Found 389 digital channels, about 60 or so "shown" (i.e. not automatically "hidden"), which I then whittled down to a subset of just those I really had any interest in being able to see in the 960's (a) Guide, and (b) Favorites. These are now available for selection along with the true OTA digital channels which come from my antenna input on the other VHF/UHF coax input on the 960.

I honestly had not expected the 12 new HD channels to be in-the-clear on QAM, but they were, along with all the other local OTA HD channels.

I think there's a more benign explanation for this, just an unintentional screwup.

What part of LA do you live in? Former Comcast or Adelphia or TWC?

Not LA. I am in City of Anaheim in Orange County former Adelphia. I don't have an HD box yet because of the bogus programming charge for 2nd box I mentioned before and the fact that Anaheim is not getting new HD channels until October I think.

I used to get FSW HD over clear qam before the olympics but since they ended the channel is now scrambled (along with all music choice channels which is pretty bizarre). I don't think calling and asking them to unscramble a QAM channel is going to work so I am probably out of luck. Lol Olympic soccer channel is my new worst enemy.

Same thing here in Eagle Rock. No FSN HD or Music Channels. Maybe TWC is making up for the scrambling by leaving open Toon Disney.:rolleyes:

i just connected my TV directly to the cable and im still getting CNBC HD, universal HD and USA HD. no FSN HD or music channels.

P.S. ESPN HD is back to 720p. i wonder why they keep going back and forth between 1080i and 720p.

Yeah, same here. I'm in Silver Lake (same programming as Eagle Rock). Used to get FSN/Prime Ticket HD over clear QAM. Now with the last month of baseball remaining, it's gone. :mad:

As of this morning USA HD and CNBC HD are gone. Universal survived.
:(

Also no FSN HD, (Former A*)

Many of you do not have your LA neighborhood location set in your profile or signature.

I'm communicating with TWC on this FSNHD and Music Choice issue, but need to know your area and whether you were former Adelphia or former Comcast or whatever.

Also, do you have a cablecard or not, and what service tiers do you subscribe to?

Also, they now believe they've eliminated USA-HD and CNBC-HD from the system, for all areas. That certainly is their intent as they don't yet have any carriage agreements in place for these networks. They were added only as "free preview" for the Olympics weeks, as a service to subscribers.

So, if you're still now having a problem with FSN-HD whereas before the Olympics you were able to receive it directly QAM in-the-clear (no STB or DVR, no cablecard) coax-to-HDTV, please post your complete details so that I can forward it on.

Thanks. (note: I do not work for TWC)

Many of you do not have your LA neighborhood location set in your profile or signature.

I'm communicating with TWC on this FSNHD and Music Choice issue, but need to know your area and whether you were former Adelphia or former Comcast or whatever.

Also, do you have a cablecard or not, and what service tiers do you subscribe to?

Also, they now believe they've eliminated USA-HD and CNBC-HD from the system, for all areas. That certainly is their intent as they don't yet have any carriage agreements in place for these networks. They were added only as "free preview" for the Olympics weeks, as a service to subscribers.

So, if you're still now having a problem with FSN-HD whereas before the Olympics you were able to receive it directly QAM in-the-clear (no STB or DVR, no cablecard) coax-to-HDTV, please post your complete details so that I can forward it on.

Thanks. (note: I do not work for TWC)
Many commenting (complaining?) about no FSN-HD are trying to receive it without a box. If they have problems with an HD box, a phone call should take care of that. A problem without a box, looks like they started scrambling it. /Dan
P.S. Also resisted the 2nd box because of the added "digital fee". Was able to resist for 2 years. Finally broke down because enough "digital only" channels were needed to be watched on the 2nd TV. It is not an HD TV yet or probably would have broke down sooner with the lack of clear QAM for many channels. Though probably still would have waited for the latest HD additions.

Many of you do not have your LA neighborhood location set in your profile or signature.

I'm communicating with TWC on this FSNHD and Music Choice issue, but need to know your area and whether you were former Adelphia or former Comcast or whatever.

Also, do you have a cablecard or not, and what service tiers do you subscribe to?

Also, they now believe they've eliminated USA-HD and CNBC-HD from the system, for all areas. That certainly is their intent as they don't yet have any carriage agreements in place for these networks. They were added only as "free preview" for the Olympics weeks, as a service to subscribers.

So, if you're still now having a problem with FSN-HD whereas before the Olympics you were able to receive it directly QAM in-the-clear (no STB or DVR, no cablecard) coax-to-HDTV, please post your complete details so that I can forward it on.

Thanks. (note: I do not work for TWC)


Manhattan Beach, formerly Adelphia, now TWC. Before the Olympics got FSN-HD QAM in-the-clear, since the olympics started/ended...no longer get it.

Moorpark, ex-Adelphia. Just checked here, the "Music Choice" channels are no longer coming through clear QAM. Also, they still claim to have launched My 13 HD here, but none of my clear QAM tuners are finding it.

Well, I'm afraid I have some grim news, regarding FSNHD and in-the-clear QAM reception without a cable card or STB/DVR. I assume the same answer is true with regard to the Music Choice channels.

"The customer would need a cable card or an HD receiver in order to receive that service. They should be able to go to our cable store and pick up a cable card.

"This channel was never meant to be on QAM in-the-clear. Right after the Olympic we discovered that the channel was unencrypted/in-the-clear, and we made the correction since then.

"Regarding FSN HD, I have gotten confirmation from all Headend that FSN HD is on the service level(s) that it is suppose to be on. In another words, if a current customer can see/subscribed to FSN West or Primeticket (standard def) they should be able to tune in to this channel.

"I hope this answers your question."


Now I have a DVR, so I'm really not familiar with what a cable card facilitates, other than what I assumed it was which is a cheap non-DVR way to get encrypted channels that come in TWC tiers.

Apparently they're saying that FSNHD was always intended to be part of some tier (which one, I don't know) or at least not in-the-clear and thus should have been encrypted all along. It's only now that they've realized their previous mistake and have now corrected it.

Ergo: sounds like a cable card is needed, at a minimum, to get this channel.

Sorry.

Just did a rescan and the new clear QAM lineup seems a little more intuitive, at least for the locals. Does anyone have a list or a link to one for other channels? Are the HD ones just limited to the locals?

I'm in Los Feliz (Eagle Rock). Thanks.

"Regarding FSN HD, I have gotten confirmation from all Headend that FSN HD is on the service level(s) that it is suppose to be on. In another words, if a current customer can see/subscribed to FSN West or Primeticket (standard def) they should be able to tune in to this channel.

What your TW man is telling you is not quite correct......it's possible to see the regular analogue SD broadcasts of those channels without a box, provided you subscribe to "Basic Cable" or above. To get HD, you need a box or cable card.

Now I have a DVR, so I'm really not familiar with what a cable card facilitates, other than what I assumed it was which is a cheap non-DVR way to get encrypted channels that come in TWC tiers.

Basically, it's a card that plugs in to a suitably equipped TV/DVR/TIVO etc. and allows you to receive the channels you subscribe to without a box. It doesn't work two-way, so no "On Demand" etc.

I was getting FSN HD fine before the Olympics, but the last couple days I'm seeing it scrambled even though it lists FSN programming on the guide. Anyone know what's up with this?

I'm in Grand Terrace (which is a part of Redlands or Ontario as far as TWC goes).

I usually only get one FSN HD channel. There's no FSN HD Prime Ticket. They show both channels on one HD channel, which leads to some weirdness, but since the Olympics ended, I don't seem to be getting anything.

i emailed TWC a few days ago asking about ESPNU HD and they responded like they didnt know what i was talking about. heres my original message:

It is my understanding the Time Warner has reached a deal with ESPN to offer ESPNU HD which was launched today. It was supposed to be available at 3 AM this morning. When can I expect it to be added to my channel grid?

heres their response:

Thank you for your inquiry. I apologize for the inconvenience regarding these channels and will be glad to assist you. We have recently we launched ESPN News in HD on channel 426. This is a free channel.

We are also offering ESPN GamePlan on channels 721-726. This however is a Pay Per View service.

These are the prices (does not include taxes/fees):


- Early Bird Special - $109 (Through August 29th)
- Regular Season - $129 (available starting August 30th)
- Mid-Season - $79.95 (available starting October 19th)
- Weekly - $21.95 (available starting August 30th – end of season)

.........
Ergo: sounds like a cable card is needed, at a minimum, to get this channel.
Sorry.
Hi DSperber.

Thanks for your efforts. I just wanted to tell you (and anyone else that wants to know) that a cable card will NOT tune in FSN HD. :( If you go a few pages back in this very thread you will see several of us lamenting that very fact. TWC chose not to assign a channel to either of the FSN HD offerings and are transmitting the content for both channels through on demand channel and since a cable card cannot receive on demand stuff people with a cable card are SOL. You HAVE to buy a box and pay all the additional costs for it that have been raised even higher recently. :(

Rudy

Hi DSperber.

Thanks for your efforts. I just wanted to tell you (and anyone else that wants to know) that a cable card will NOT tune in FSN HD. :( If you go a few pages back in this very thread you will see several of us lamenting that very fact. TWC chose not to assign a channel to either of the FSN HD offerings and are transmitting the content for both channels through on demand channel and since a cable card cannot receive on demand stuff people with a cable card are SOL. You HAVE to buy a box and pay all the additional costs for it that have been raised even higher recently. :(

RudyI'm not sure I follow.

And what are the [plural] FSN HD "offeringS" you speak of?

I thought the problem was that for people who did not have either (a) cable card, (b) DVR, or (c) STB, and who simply connected their coax directly into their HDTV to receive unencrypted QAM in-the-clear channels (analog and digital), that FSNHD and Music Choice channels which were viewable before the Olympics were no longer viewable after the Olympics. Is that the problem definition?

Or am I wrong? Did the victims actually have cable cards, and yet now after the Olympics they've lost these channels... which TWC now says SHOULD be viewable with cable cards?

As TWC described, before the Olympics they were non-encrypted and thus would not have required even a cable card to view. After the Olympics they discovered their oversight and now FSNHD is encrypted, thus requiring a cable card. Are you saying that you DO have a cable card, but even so you cannot view these channels? What service/tiers do you have?

Channel 413 (FSNHD) is on the Guide on my Moto 3416 DVR. It is not viewed On Demand. I can view it without a problem. And my service includes pretty much the minimum (basic plus digital), plus HD Tier and two premiums (HBO and SHO), plus DVR and service. No other tiers, and yet I get 413.

I didn't know FSNHD was in a tier (it's certainly not in HD Tier) so I just assumed it was part of basic/digital/expanded service. If it is in some tier other than this basic service I certainly didn't ask for it nor am I paying for it.

I would have guessed a cable card was really just a less-expensive alternative to a STB/DVR (for people who didn't need/want a DVR and didn't want to pay the higher price for a STB), allowing access to encrypted channels on tiers and premium channels but not access to VOD. That is, or so I thought, the definition of how 413 is now described. So, as was told to me by TWC, I thought cable cards would be the minimum hardware required to now view FSNHD.

And again, 413 is not VOD.

So I'm not clear as to what you're saying. Why do you say 413/FSNHD is a VOD channel for you? It's not for me. Why wouldn't cable cards facilitate viewing the now-encrypted but non-VOD 413? Is there more to the problem description?

Am I misunderstanding the issue? Is there some service level or tier in which FSNHD is located that is now being "enforced", and that you don't subscribe to?

And if you believe you're entitled to FSNHD through your cable card, have you called TWC to get the matter resolved? Is this perhaps simply a minor technical snafu (e.g. right after the Olympics when they reverted 413 back to FSNHD my 413 initially showed "not authorized", but it took just one phone call and one day to resolve the problem and get 413 back to normal for me). Have you checked with customer service? Could it be just a simple account issue for you (and others) that requires some kind of reset at their end?

Again, this certainly does seem to come down to your statement that you believe FSNHD is now being distributed as VOD to you (and others?) though it's supposed to be just ordinary 413 non-VOD. That's the only way the cable card would not be sufficient minimum hardware to view it, unless there's just some other account-related issue that needs to be reset.

NOTE: my 34XBR960 actually has a cable card slot, but I don't use it. Instead I have a Moto 3416 DVR. Hence my lack of first-hand knowledge about the particulars of cable cards, other than what it was generally intended to facilitate.

Just did a rescan and the new clear QAM lineup seems a little more intuitive, at least for the locals. Does anyone have a list or a link to one for other channels? Are the HD ones just limited to the locals?

I'm in Los Feliz (Eagle Rock). Thanks.

HD will be limited to the locals. There is an FCC mandate that if a cable system offers the HD version of a broadcast channel, they must do so without requiring rental/purchase of equipment from them.

On my end, they've done something bizarre with the clear QAM lineup. I'm on "Broadcast Basic", and was getting all that lineup in both analogue and digital SD, plus the HD broadcast channels. I was also getting the following in digital SD:

HSN
Discovery Health
FUSE
EWTN
Hallmark
DIY

Hallmark, HSN and DIY have disappeared - fair enough, as I'm not sure if I should have ever been getting them. However, a whole list of the digital SD broadcast channels have also gone:

CBS 2
NBC 4
KTBN
KDOC
KPXN
KLCS

There may be others on top of this - also, KOCE HD has disappeared, and there's no sign of KCOP HD (which they claim to be carrying). However, they're showing Universal HD in the clear!

I'm not sure I follow.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you
And what are the [plural] FSN HD "offeringS" you speak of?
Fox Sports Network has two local Sports channels Fox Sports Net West and Fox Sports Net Prime Ticket. The high definition content for both of those channels is transmitted on a single channel. Meaning two of those channels share a single HD channel. On top of that rather than assigning a permanent channel to those two offerings TWC decided to transmit them over an On Demand channel, thereby eliminating Cable Card users from being able to receive them. I'm guessing they did that because the channels have had so little content on them, at least up until now. However, Fox has completed their new broadcast center in Texas and now should be able to transmit most of their content in HD.
I thought the problem was that for people who did not have either (a) cable card, (b) DVR, or (c) STB, and who simply connected their coax directly into their HDTV to receive unencrypted QAM in-the-clear channels (analog and digital), that FSNHD and Music Choice channels which were viewable before the Olympics were no longer viewable after the Olympics. Is that the problem definition?
You are absolutely 100% correct. That is the problem for all TWC subscribers. Nothing more nothing less
Or am I wrong? Did the victims actually have cable cards, and yet now after the Olympics they've lost these channels... which TWC now says SHOULD be viewable with cable cards?
You are not wrong and no this problem has nothing to do with Cable Cards or Cable Boxes.
As TWC described, before the Olympics they were non-encrypted and thus would not have required even a cable card to view. After the Olympics they discovered their oversight and now FSNHD is encrypted, thus requiring a cable card. Are you saying that you DO have a cable card, but even so you cannot view these channels? What service/tiers do you have?
No this is not at all what I'm saying.
Channel 413 (FSNHD) is on the Guide on my Moto 3416 DVR. It is not viewed On Demand. I can view it without a problem. And my service includes pretty much the minimum (basic plus digital), plus HD Tier and two premiums (HBO and SHO), plus DVR and service. No other tiers, and yet I get 413.
Yes this is correct. The reason you have it has nothing to do with your service levels or tier subscriptions. The reason you see that channel is because you are using a cable box and not a cable card. This is what I'm saying.
I didn't know FSNHD was in a tier (it's certainly not in HD Tier) so I just assumed it was part of basic/digital/expanded service. If it is in some tier other than this basic service I certainly didn't ask for it nor am I paying for it.
This also is my understanding.
I would have guessed a cable card was really just a less-expensive alternative to a STB/DVR (for people who didn't need/want a DVR and didn't want to pay the higher price for a STB), allowing access to encrypted channels on tiers and premium channels but not access to VOD. That is, or so I thought, the definition of how 413 is now described. So, as was told to me by TWC, I thought cable cards would be the minimum hardware required to now view FSNHD.
In an ideal world this would indeed be the situation.
And again, 413 is not VOD.
I'm afraid that it is. Unless TWC has assigned it a permanent frequency, which may have happened. If it did, it would have had to have been in a very recent past.
The channel may not show up in the VOD menu. However, the channel frequency used for this channel is ( or at least was) from On Demand frequency pool and therefore unavailable to Cable Card users. Or at least this is the explanation I received when I stuck a Cable Card into my TV and was unable to tune in channel 413, less than a year ago.
So I'm not clear as to what you're saying. Why do you say 413/FSNHD is a VOD channel for you? It's not for me. Why wouldn't cable cards facilitate viewing the now-encrypted but non-VOD 413? Is there more to the problem description?

Am I misunderstanding the issue? Is there some service level or tier in which FSNHD is located that is now being "enforced", and that you don't subscribe to?

And if you believe you're entitled to FSNHD through your cable card, have you called TWC to get the matter resolved? Is this perhaps simply a minor technical snafu (e.g. right after the Olympics when they reverted 413 back to FSNHD my 413 initially showed "not authorized", but it took just one phone call and one day to resolve the problem and get 413 back to normal for me). Have you checked with customer service? Could it be just a simple account issue for you (and others) that requires some kind of reset at their end?

Again, this certainly does seem to come down to your statement that you believe FSNHD is now being distributed as VOD to you (and others?) though it's supposed to be just ordinary 413 non-VOD. That's the only way the cable card would not be sufficient minimum hardware to view it, unless there's just some other account-related issue that needs to be reset.

NOTE: my 34XBR960 actually has a cable card slot, but I don't use it. Instead I have a Moto 3416 DVR. Hence my lack of first-hand knowledge about the particulars of cable cards, other than what it was generally intended to facilitate.

Let me know if I managed to confuse you further. :)

Rudy

..........
However, a whole list of the digital SD broadcast channels have also gone:

CBS 2
NBC 4
KTBN
KDOC
KPXN
KLCS

Wow Mad Mac this is great news. Seriously. Instead of having three versions of the same channel (CBS 2 Analog, Digital and HD) wasting bandwidth, why not eliminate one and free up a little room. This makes perfect sense. If we have an HD version of CBS 2 are we really ever going to watch a digital version of CBS 2. Granted CBS 2 Analog has to be kept around by law.
There may be others on top of this - also, KOCE HD has disappeared, and there's no sign of KCOP HD (which they claim to be carrying). However, they're showing Universal HD in the clear!
Hopefully KOCE HD missing is a temporary thing and will be resolved shortly.

Rudy

Well, this is bizarre.....the "missing" channels show up on my TV and DVD recorder. Although on the TV, KOCE HD is "hit & miss" whether it comes up or not.

I get 413 with CableCARDS on my TiVos.

The channel may not show up in the VOD menu. However, the channel frequency used for this channel is ( or at least was) from On Demand frequency pool and therefore unavailable to Cable Card users. Ok, I think we're getting closer. You see I want to contact TWC and hope to express the problem correctly, as we see it.

So, one more time... tell me if I've got it yet.

Before the Olympics FSNHD was assigned a channel frequency that was NOT "from the On Demand frequency pool", nor was it encrypted. The fact that it was (a) in-the-clear and (b) on a non-VOD frequency meant that it was possible for anybody to view, regardless of whether they had a cable card, STB/DVR, or nothing (connecting the coax directly to their QAM-capable HDTV).

Or, even pre-Olympics it was assigned in the VOD channel pool but because it was unencrypted its channel frequency was irrelevant and was viewable directly with any QAM-enabled tuner in-the-clear, via coax->HDTV. No cable card or STB/DVR was required.

After the Olympics, they have encrypted it (which they say it should have been all along), which now requires a cable card at a minimum to view. And because it was encrypted, its assigned channel frequency became crucial. Any channel in the VOD channel pool is impossible to view with cable card, and that's where they happened to have assigned FSNHD (either previously and now, or at least now).

So either always, or at least after the Olympics, the channel frequency for FSNHD is in the VOD channel pool. And being part of the VOD channel pool this actually now prevents it from being viewed with just a cable card. Instead, it now takes at least a STB/DVR to view it on 413.

So this is the problem... that while you accept the new minimum requirement of a cable card to view FSNHD (because of the post-Olympics encryption), even that approach is now currently failing because of the channel frequency they now (or always did) have it assigned to in conjunction with the fact that it is encrypted and thus requires at least a cable card.

Do I have it right? Did they actually change the assigned frequency when they encrypted? Or is it merely that regardless of its frequency the fact that it previously was unencrypted made it irrelevant that it was in the VOD channel pool?

In other words, they didn't change the previously assigned channel frequency when they encrypted after the Olympics. It was the mere fact that it was now encrypted and thus required at least a cable card that its always-assigned and still-the-same channel frequency being in the VOD channel pool which now makes it unviewable via either (1) QAM in-the-clear, or (2) cable card.

And the key is that since it is now encrypted, that the cable card actually comes into play and automatically eliminates any VOD channel frequency from being viewed via cable card.

Yes? Can you provide the QAM channel frequency you believe FSNHD is on for you?

I get 413 with CableCARDS on my TiVos.RudyG... why is this different from your situation?

Is the Tivo like a TWC STB/DVR in its implementation?

Is your situation a pure cablecard->HDTV and thus different?

Hey everyone. This might be a silly question but does anyone have any recommendations for a specific HD DVR cable box? I'm in Northridge so I think they only offer Scientific Atlanta out here but I'm pretty sure there are at least 3 different versions. I have an "Explorer 8300 HDC" and navigation is overall VERY SLOW, the picture quality of recorded DVR video is TERRIBLE, and the DVR constantly puts itself in sleep mode. Yea, not digging this thing too much.

So, like I said before, any recommendations for what box I should get? Thanks

I also have been receiving 413 FS HD via cablecard on my Sony DHG-HDD 500 DVR before,during and after the olympics.I'm watching a replay of CSU vs CU college football with a FSWEST logo right now.

As of this morning USA HD and CNBC HD are gone. Universal survived.
:(

Also no FSN HD, (Former A*)

USA HD and CNBC HD are now gone for me too. Never had FSN HD. Universal HD still here.

I am in Hollywood, near Franklin/La Brea intersection. Former A* customer.

looks like we wont be getting ESPNU HD for a while


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The reason you see that channel is because you are using a cable box and not a cable card. This is what I'm saying.


For the record, I've ALWAYS gotten 413 since it was introduced via CableCard on a Sony DVR and now a Series 3 TiVo. I also get it on the Motorola HD cable box in the other room. As far as the difference in CC implementation between a TV and a DVR, there shouldn't be any. The CC is unaware if you plug it into a DVR or a TV, so it should get the same channels either way.

P.S. ESPN HD is back to 720p. i wonder why they keep going back and forth between 1080i and 720p.

I'd like to know why this keeps happening as well. Does anybody else notice a degredation in PQ for all channels when this happens? PQ has been crappy all weekend,and then this afternoon I came home,ESPN was back at 720P and PQ across the board was outstanding,what I am used to with TWC.Using the 8300HDCand 4250HDC,TWC Orange County.

Where exactly in LA do you live? Who was your former carrier? What is your STB/DVR equipment? Do you have the 12 new HD channels yet?

Remind me again... which of the ESPN family of channels do you see upconverted to 1080i? Did this coincide with the arrival of the 12 new HD channels (if you have them)?

I'll "tap my inside sources" and see if I can get a real answer for you. Seems remarkable that they would not do this system-wide, but somehow manage to do it uniquely for just one area.

Again, my ESPN-HD/ESPN2-HD are still both 720p, and I do NOT yet have the 12 new HD channels (but hopefully in 4 days!!).

ESPN switched to 1080i when they added the extra channels for the Olympics.When those channels were removed,ESPN was back at 720P.Then a day or two ago ESPN was back at 1080I until today,back to normal. They are doing some weird things here in Orange County.PQ is back to normal(excellent) today,but I have noticed ever since they added all the new channels(CNNHD,HGTVHD,etc.) PQ has been hit or miss on all channels. I have had TWC for 8 years here so I know how it should look :D Hopefully they leave things alone for now,this is what I am used to.

For the record, I've ALWAYS gotten 413 since it was introduced via CableCard on a Sony DVR and now a Series 3 TiVo. I also get it on the Motorola HD cable box in the other room. As far as the difference in CC implementation between a TV and a DVR, there shouldn't be any. The CC is unaware if you plug it into a DVR or a TV, so it should get the same channels either way.And yet, there seems to be something different, if some people who only have a cable card in their HDTV and can't now view FSNHD (on, say, 43.687 or whatever the QAM channel number really is) vs. others who have a TWC STB/DVR, Sony DVR, or S-3 Tivo, all of which appear to channel-map FSNHD to 413.

There do appear to be two camps, (1) those who use a STB/DVR (of any cable card enabled vendor, or using a TWC box without a cable card) and who got it on 413 and who still get it on 413 and who've never had a problem, and (2) those who were not using any kind of STB/DVR but rather only coax->HDTV with a cable card and who used to be able to get FSNHD in-the-clear on some QAM channel but can no longer get the encrypted FSN on that QAM channel (nobody's said they changed the QAM channel so I'll assume it's still the same as before, reportedly in the VOD channel pool range according to RudyG).

So, let's pin this down. If you have some kind of a STB/DVR of any vendor, with (non-TWC) or without (TWC) a cable card, and you successfully get FSNHD on 413, you're not the problem category. It's only if you DO NOT have a STB/DVR but rather only have an HDTV with cable card, and thus tuned to a QAM channel for FSNHD, and CANNOT GET FSNHD any longer... you are the problem category. Hopefully this is a correct description.

If you're in the problem category, please state your locale and any other relevant specifics about your situation. It's obvious now that not everybody with a cable card is having a problem. Only if you don't have some kind of a cable card STB/DVR to go with it are you having a problem, yes?

Wow Mad Mac this is great news. Seriously. Instead of having three versions of the same channel (CBS 2 Analog, Digital and HD) wasting bandwidth, why not eliminate one and free up a little room. This makes perfect sense. If we have an HD version of CBS 2 are we really ever going to watch a digital version of CBS 2. Granted CBS 2 Analog has to be kept around by law.

Hopefully KOCE HD missing is a temporary thing and will be resolved shortly.

Rudy


Actually I'm getting 4 versions of CBS, NBC and CW! For example, NBC analog is channel 4,(duh) digital NBC is channel 80.18 and I'm getting 2 duplicate NBC HD channels which are channels 4.1 and 82.541.

Would this be taking away from quality?

I've had no problems getting KOCE HD, for me it comes in on channel 50.1, all these through my hdtv's QAM tuner.

I get 413 with CableCARDS on my TiVos.

I also have been receiving 413 FS HD via cablecard on my Sony DHG-HDD 500 DVR before,during and after the olympics.I'm watching a replay of CSU vs CU college football with a FSWEST logo right now.

For the record, I've ALWAYS gotten 413 since it was introduced via CableCard on a Sony DVR and now a Series 3 TiVo. I also get it on the Motorola HD cable box in the other room. As far as the difference in CC implementation between a TV and a DVR, there shouldn't be any. The CC is unaware if you plug it into a DVR or a TV, so it should get the same channels either way.
Hey guys thanks for your posts, in helping to try and clarify the situation. Do all of you have a cable card plugged into some sort of a box?
Do any of you or anyone else have a cable card plugged directly into the TV and are able to see FSN HD right now?

Rudy

Just to throw my $.02 into this, I've NEVER been able to get either channel here via clear QAM, nor would I have expected to.

Ok, I think we're getting closer. You see I want to contact TWC and hope to express the problem correctly, as we see it.

So, one more time... tell me if I've got it yet.

Before the Olympics FSNHD was assigned a channel frequency that was NOT "from the On Demand frequency pool", nor was it encrypted. The fact that it was (a) in-the-clear and (b) on a non-VOD frequency meant that it was possible for anybody to view, regardless of whether they had a cable card, STB/DVR, or nothing (connecting the coax directly to their QAM-capable HDTV).

Or, even pre-Olympics it was assigned in the VOD channel pool but because it was unencrypted its channel frequency was irrelevant and was viewable directly with any QAM-enabled tuner in-the-clear, via coax->HDTV. No cable card or STB/DVR was required.

After the Olympics, they have encrypted it (which they say it should have been all along), which now requires a cable card at a minimum to view. And because it was encrypted, its assigned channel frequency became crucial. Any channel in the VOD channel pool is impossible to view with cable card, and that's where they happened to have assigned FSNHD (either previously and now, or at least now).

So either always, or at least after the Olympics, the channel frequency for FSNHD is in the VOD channel pool. And being part of the VOD channel pool this actually now prevents it from being viewed with just a cable card. Instead, it now takes at least a STB/DVR to view it on 413.

So this is the problem... that while you accept the new minimum requirement of a cable card to view FSNHD (because of the post-Olympics encryption), even that approach is now currently failing because of the channel frequency they now (or always did) have it assigned to in conjunction with the fact that it is encrypted and thus requires at least a cable card.

Do I have it right? Did they actually change the assigned frequency when they encrypted? Or is it merely that regardless of its frequency the fact that it previously was unencrypted made it irrelevant that it was in the VOD channel pool?

In other words, they didn't change the previously assigned channel frequency when they encrypted after the Olympics. It was the mere fact that it was now encrypted and thus required at least a cable card that its always-assigned and still-the-same channel frequency being in the VOD channel pool which now makes it unviewable via either (1) QAM in-the-clear, or (2) cable card.

And the key is that since it is now encrypted, that the cable card actually comes into play and automatically eliminates any VOD channel frequency from being viewed via cable card.

Yes? Can you provide the QAM channel frequency you believe FSNHD is on for you?
Hi DSperber. Well it seems like one of two things is happening here. The first and most likely thing is that TWC changed the way FSN HD is transmitted, since the time I tried using the Cable Card to watch it. If so then there isn't a problem any longer. Here is the link to the page that details my struggles earlier in this thread to see FSN HD with a cable card.
Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9030669&highlight=fsn+hd#post9030669)
The second possibility is that the folks who report it working are using some sort of a box along with it that allows a two way communication and therefore enables them to see this channel.
At the moment I have Broadcast Basic Service and therefore cannot check whether the cable card works right now or not. The cable card was plugged directly into my television.
RudyG... why is this different from your situation?

Is the Tivo like a TWC STB/DVR in its implementation?

Is your situation a pure cablecard->HDTV and thus different?
Well again. Their situation may be different because:
1. The problem is no longer there.
2. Some box is in their implementation.
3. Yes I had the cable card plugged directly into my TV.

For now I think we can put this problem on the shelf and assume it has been fixed. Until we either hear from someone with a cable card plugged directly into their TV. Or most likely I'll again upgrade my subscription level and see if I can receive this with a cable card in the future.
Now that FSN HD is scrambled and the hockey season is about to start. I will have to shell out additional money to see Kings play.

Thanks.
Rudy

Hi DSperber. Well it seems like one of two things is happening here. The first and most likely thing is that TWC changed the way FSN HD is transmitted, since the time I tried using the Cable Card to watch it.No question. As they've stated, it is now encrypted instead of in-the-clear as it was before the Olympics.

I'm assuming there was no change of channel frequency before and after, but would like positive confirmation of that statement. You've previously described that channel as "in the VOD channel pool". Is that a true statement? What QAM channel number are you talking about, and why do you feel that's in the so-called VOD channel pool?


If so then there isn't a problem any longer.Huh?

I thought this whole discussion was about a current, ongoing post-Olympics problem. How is there "no problem any longer"?


The second possibility is that the folks who report it working are using some sort of a box along with it that allows a two way communication and therefore enables them to see this channel.Well for whatever explanation, there's no question a number of people have posted recently that they CAN view FSNHD with their Sony or Tivo boxes, both of which are cablecard-enabled.

I thought we/I had definitely narrowed down the definition of the problem setup for those (you too, I thought) who were having post-Olympics problems as straight coax->HDTV with cablecard (i.e. no STB/DVR).

So I'm not surprised here, as I thought that specifically was the situation which caused the problem.


At the moment I have Broadcast Basic Service and therefore cannot check whether the cable card works right now or not. The cable card was plugged directly into my television.But I thought you were actually experiencing this problem right now, as were others?

What was this recent discussion about, if not a current ongoing post-Olympics issue?


Well again. Their situation may be different because:
1. The problem is no longer there.Repeat... HUH? I thought this was a current problem, which is why we were having this discussion?


2. Some box is in their implementation.I believe the evidence from others points to this conclusion, that the use of a cable card plus some kind of non-TWC box points to "success" in getting FSNHD on 413, even now.


3. Yes I had the cable card plugged directly into my TV.Again, I thought we'd finally narrowed things down to this as the problem arrangement. But I thought there actually was a current problem.


For now I think we can put this problem on the shelf and assume it has been fixed.HUH?


Until we either hear from someone with a cable card plugged directly into their TV.I sure am confused now.

I thought you were not alone in reporting this setup or reporting this problem, given we now know that others who use cable card and some non-TWC box don'thave the problem.

I thought we/I'd decided that this problem existed at the current time for the others who used a cable card in their HDTV, according to your description. Weren't there others with this particular configuration who also reported no longer being able to receive FSNHD?

Or were these others not using a cable card in their coax->HDTV setups, but were simply expecting to receive FSNHD post-Olympics as they were before the Olympics (something we now know is impossible because TWC is now encrypting FSNHD and thus requires a cable card at the very least)?


Or most likely I'll again upgrade my subscription level and see if I can receive this with a cable card in the future. Now that FSN HD is scrambled and the hockey season is about to start. I will have to shell out additional money to see Kings play.I guess what's needed now are two separate reports from others to close this issue (as a "non-problem") or keep it open (as a "new post-Olympics problem"):

(1) if you're a TWC subscriber who uses a cable card in your HDTV, with no STB/DVR from either TWC or non-TWC, and who IS ABLE to view FSNHD even now post-Olympics when we know FSN is now encrypted, then we'll conclude there is NO problem.

(2) if you're a TWC subscriber who uses a cable card in your HDTV, with no STB/DVR from either TWC or non-TWC, and you are now NOT ABLE to view FSNHD post-Olympics when we know FSN is now encrypted, then we'll conclude there IS a problem.

Why is Time-Warner East San Fernando Valley broadcasting KTTV and KCET in 1080i?
They're 720p sources. :rolleyes:

Why is Time-Warner East San Fernando Valley broadcasting KTTV and KCET in 1080i?
They're 720p sources. :rolleyes:

KCETs been shooting programs in 1080i but broadcasting them in 720p. maybe they changed it back to broadcasting 1080i although thats unlikely. i cant check my OTA since i accidentally broke the antenna the other day. KTTV, however, is supposed to be in 720p. maybe TWC is doing what they did with ESPN. sometimes its 720p and other times its upconverted to 1080i.

KCETs been shooting programs in 1080i but broadcasting them in 720p. maybe they changed it back to broadcasting 1080i although thats unlikely.No question KCET is absolutely 720p OTA, as is KTTV.

QAM KCET (94.506 for me) and QAM KTTV (94.505 for me) are also 720p here in MDR (former Comcast).

No 1080i anywhere.

(2) if you're a TWC subscriber who uses a cable card in your HDTV, with no STB/DVR from either TWC or non-TWC, and you are now NOT ABLE to view FSNHD post-Olympics when we know FSN is now encrypted, then we'll conclude there IS a problem.Are there any people out there who are in this category?

We know a cablecard (or TWC STB/DVR) is now required to view now-encrypted FSNHD. And it is supposed to work as long as you have a cablecard, whether you have a cablecard directly in your HDTV or whether you have a cablecard in a non-TWC STB/DVR.

We know that cablecard in non-TWC STB/DVR works fine and pulls in FSNHD on 413 where it should be found.

So, does anybody in the other category, with a cablecard in your HDTV and no STB/DVR of any kind and coax going directly from the wall to your HDTV, actually have a problem right now viewing post-Olympics encrypted FSNHD? If you CAN view FSNHD on QAM with this arrangement, what is your QAM channel number?

I want to be able to tell TWC tomorrow that either my earlier claims of a problem viewing FSNHD with a cablecard (on behalf of others, since I don't have a problem with my Moto 3416) are correct or false.

Thanks.

Is anyone else getting stuttering and sound break ups? this might be the final straw for me HD on time warner is unwatchable

Is anyone else getting stuttering and sound break ups? this might be the final straw for me HD on time warner is unwatchable

i was getting stuttering while i was watching the dodgers game but it went away after a few innings. the UCLA game on ESPN has been "perfect" though.

No question KCET is absolutely 720p OTA, as is KTTV.

QAM KCET (94.506 for me) and QAM KTTV (94.505 for me) are also 720p here in MDR (former Comcast).

No 1080i anywhere.

Looks like the local franchise has flipped KTTV and KCET back to 720p.

This morning I ran some comparison recordings though.
Recording the same one hour segment on OTA and on Time-Warner's QAM feed.
For the same program here are the file sizes I got, OTA vs. QAM:

KTLA: 7.5 GB vs. 5.5 GB
KNBC: 5.9 GB vs. 5.5 GB
KCBS: 6.3 GB vs. 5.3 GB

Hmmmmmmmmmm

No question. As they've stated, it is now encrypted instead of in-the-clear as it was before the Olympics.

I'm assuming there was no change of channel frequency before and after, but would like positive confirmation of that statement. You've previously described that channel as "in the VOD channel pool". Is that a true statement? What QAM channel number are you talking about, and why do you feel that's in the so-called VOD channel pool?


Huh?

I thought this whole discussion was about a current, ongoing post-Olympics problem. How is there "no problem any longer"?


Well for whatever explanation, there's no question a number of people have posted recently that they CAN view FSNHD with their Sony or Tivo boxes, both of which are cablecard-enabled.

I thought we/I had definitely narrowed down the definition of the problem setup for those (you too, I thought) who were having post-Olympics problems as straight coax->HDTV with cablecard (i.e. no STB/DVR).

So I'm not surprised here, as I thought that specifically was the situation which caused the problem.


But I thought you were actually experiencing this problem right now, as were others?

What was this recent discussion about, if not a current ongoing post-Olympics issue?


Repeat... HUH? I thought this was a current problem, which is why we were having this discussion?


I believe the evidence from others points to this conclusion, that the use of a cable card plus some kind of non-TWC box points to "success" in getting FSNHD on 413, even now.


Again, I thought we'd finally narrowed things down to this as the problem arrangement. But I thought there actually was a current problem.


HUH?


I sure am confused now.

I thought you were not alone in reporting this setup or reporting this problem, given we now know that others who use cable card and some non-TWC box don'thave the problem.

I thought we/I'd decided that this problem existed at the current time for the others who used a cable card in their HDTV, according to your description. Weren't there others with this particular configuration who also reported no longer being able to receive FSNHD?

Or were these others not using a cable card in their coax->HDTV setups, but were simply expecting to receive FSNHD post-Olympics as they were before the Olympics (something we now know is impossible because TWC is now encrypting FSNHD and thus requires a cable card at the very least)?


I guess what's needed now are two separate reports from others to close this issue (as a "non-problem") or keep it open (as a "new post-Olympics problem"):

(1) if you're a TWC subscriber who uses a cable card in your HDTV, with no STB/DVR from either TWC or non-TWC, and who IS ABLE to view FSNHD even now post-Olympics when we know FSN is now encrypted, then we'll conclude there is NO problem.

(2) if you're a TWC subscriber who uses a cable card in your HDTV, with no STB/DVR from either TWC or non-TWC, and you are now NOT ABLE to view FSNHD post-Olympics when we know FSN is now encrypted, then we'll conclude there IS a problem.
Hi DSperber.

Thanks for trying to help, however, my explanations seem to only confuse you and I'm not sure I can explain things any clearer than I have. Perhaps if you follow the link I provided in the previous post it will clarify things.
Basically the issue I was talking about had nothing to do with post Olympics. Two years ago I upgraded my service from Broadcast Basic to Digital Basic using the Cable Card, instead of the cable box, and was unable to see FSN HD. As you can see this problem has nothing to do with Olympics. Additionally this took place before the channel showed up unscrambled.
Sometime this month I will once again upgrade my service and perhaps give the cable card another try to see if it works. If you'd like I can post my results here.

Rudy

Hey everyone. This might be a silly question but does anyone have any recommendations for a specific HD DVR cable box? I'm in Northridge so I think they only offer Scientific Atlanta out here but I'm pretty sure there are at least 3 different versions. I have an "Explorer 8300 HDC" and navigation is overall VERY SLOW, the picture quality of recorded DVR video is TERRIBLE, and the DVR constantly puts itself in sleep mode. Yea, not digging this thing too much.

So, like I said before, any recommendations for what box I should get? Thanks

Did you get the box recently? I have found that cable companies like to hand out old boxes that don't quite work correctly. Bring it back to the local office and get a new one if this is the case. It should not go to sleep on it's own and DVR quality should be pretty much the same as original. Generally they only offer one brand of cable box in a particular area.

Basically all cable company digital boxes are much slower than the old analog TV or VCR tuner. The 8300 is the latest and "greatest". Its slow but tolerable, but the Moto 3416 & 6416s that I have been using for the last few weeks are too slow for traditional channel surfing, so you are forced to use one of the pop up guides. My wife refuses to use the Moto box, prefering the 15 year old VCR tuner that goes through dozens of channels in a few seconds and doesn't just stop for 10 seconds because you entered too many commands. The sad part is that these DVRs have 2 tuners. It is in theory possible to program them to "quick tune" in the next channel on the other tuner if it's not in use. But I'm guessing that fast tuning is not high on the list of things to "fix".

Darrell

Looks like the local franchise has flipped KTTV and KCET back to 720p.

This morning I ran some comparison recordings though.
Recording the same one hour segment on OTA and on Time-Warner's QAM feed.
For the same program here are the file sizes I got, OTA vs. QAM:

KTLA: 7.5 GB vs. 5.5 GB
KNBC: 5.9 GB vs. 5.5 GB
KCBS: 6.3 GB vs. 5.3 GB

Hmmmmmmmmmm

TWC has been recompressing all of their HD channels at least since they added the latest batch of HD offerings(426 ESPN News-440 NGC HD).I now notice macroblocking and artifacting on KCBS DT wich was one of the most pristine looking channels before the latest additions.


Even on ESPN HD 424 there is now macroblocking wich was never evident before July.It is really sad that TWC are now recoding even the local network affiliates when they never used to do that before.


The picture quality was really terrible on the NBC network during the recent olympic games even on the best affiliates without subchannels because of other issues i won't go into here.But on TWC in Los Angeles our local KNBC DT has two subchannels already and they reduced the bitrate even further by recoding the signal as evidenced by your file sizes.


That is why the PQ during the olympics was a pixellated mess looking closer to an internet streamed video than a pristine HD broadcast.I would rather have less HD channels in proper quality than more HD channels recoded in lower quality.

It's only if you DO NOT have a STB/DVR but rather only have an HDTV with cable card, and thus tuned to a QAM channel for FSNHD, and CANNOT GET FSNHD any longer... you are the problem category. Hopefully this is a correct description.

That makes no sense to me. The entire purpose of a CableCard is to decrypt channels AND map them all. If you have a CC and still have to enter the QAM channel ID (ie. 48.09 or something similar) instead of 413, it sounds like there is a problem with either the CC or the TV.


The only thing I can think of is that perhaps some TVs with CC have really poorly implemented support for it and that the DVRs (which came out years after CC was available in TV sets) have a better implementation.

That makes no sense to me. The entire purpose of a CableCard is to decrypt channels AND map them all. If you have a CC and still have to enter the QAM channel ID (ie. 48.09 or something similar) instead of 413, it sounds like there is a problem with either the CC or the TV.


The only thing I can think of is that perhaps some TVs with CC have really poorly implemented support for it and that the DVRs (which came out years after CC was available in TV sets) have a better implementation.

Cable cards remap all the channels to the correct standatd number. ie 402 123 etc. I used to have one in my old dead TV. Do any new TVs still have a slot? I couldn't find one I wanted.
Now I don't need it.

TWC has been recompressing all of their HD channels at least since they added the latest batch of HD offerings(426 ESPN News-440 NGC HD).I now notice macroblocking and artifacting on KCBS DT wich was one of the most pristine looking channels before the latest additions.


Even on ESPN HD 424 there is now macroblocking wich was never evident before July.It is really sad that TWC are now recoding even the local network affiliates when they never used to do that before.


The picture quality was really terrible on the NBC network during the recent olympic games even on the best affiliates without subchannels because of other issues i won't go into here.But on TWC in Los Angeles our local KNBC DT has two subchannels already and they reduced the bitrate even further by recoding the signal as evidenced by your file sizes.


That is why the PQ during the olympics was a pixellated mess looking closer to an internet streamed video than a pristine HD broadcast.I would rather have less HD channels in proper quality than more HD channels recoded in lower quality.

I was pretty sure that it wasn't me. I noticed the compression starting when they realigned the line up for the Olympics.
I had hoped that after the Olympics, Time-Warner would stop compressing the network feeds but that doesn't seemed to have happened.

Of course, they could still be working on it.
KTTV and KCET are now back to 1080i. :rolleyes:

Oddly enough, KABC is fine at 720p.

is on demand working for everyone? i havent been able to access it for the past couple days.

is on demand working for everyone? i havent been able to access it for the past couple days.

Watched Mad Men on Demand on Monday.No problems.

After many generally very good years with Time-Warner in West Los Angeles, their service has been less than stellar in the past 3-4 months with outages averaging 1 every 3 weeks.

TWC has rewired our area although I haven't noticed any signal improvements.

I'm thinking of replacing TWC with Verizon FIOS which is now available in my area.

Question: has anyone made the switch to FIOS? If so, how would you compare the 2 services?

Thanks;

Stan

After many generally very good years with Time-Warner in West Los Angeles, their service has been less than stellar in the past 3-4 months with outages averaging 1 every 3 weeks.

TWC has rewired our area although I haven't noticed any signal improvements.

I'm thinking of replacing TWC with Verizon FIOS which is now available in my area.

Question: has anyone made the switch to FIOS? If so, how would you compare the 2 services?

Thanks;

StanTopic merged. Do not start new topics in this forum, use existing topics.

I talked to someone at Time Warner and they are claiming it's FSN's fault and is a network problem that I'm not getting 413 after the Olympics.

nice.. FSN HD is in 720p for me right now. its the first time it hasnt been upconverted to 1080i for me.

I turned on the TV tonight and there's a new channel 414 PALLA (Palladia, apparantly). Why and what for? Anyone else?

Nevermind :) It's MHD with a new name.

I turned on the TV tonight and there's a new channel 414 PALLA (Palladia, apparantly). Why and what for? Anyone else?

Nevermind :) It's MHD with a new name.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1055520

I talked to someone at Time Warner and they are claiming it's FSN's fault and is a network problem that I'm not getting 413 after the Olympics.Please provide specifics.

Do you have a cable box... STB? DVR? From TWC or not TWC? What kind?

Or do you have just a cable card? And if so, are you using a Sony DVR or Tivo Series 3 with that cable card plugged into that box?

Or are you using a cable card plugged into your HDTV with no external hardware box at all for the coax between the wall and your HDTV?

Or are you using NO BOX AT ALL... plugging the coax directly into your QAM-capable HDTV, but with cable card plugged into the HDTV?

Some other arrangement I haven't offered?

Also, where do you live? Former Adelphia or Comcast?

I've always received FSN HD on 413 using my Motorola HD DVR, but after the Olympics, it's only been a test pattern even when games on the On-Screen-Guide are in progress. Not a big deal since I'm not a huge baseball fan, but I'd be complaining once hockey season rolls around. Anyone else getting that?

Also, does anyone know if there's an official roll-out date for the areas receiving the new HD channels in September, or is that on a by-area basis as well?

Thanks in advance.

when the hell are we getting new channels in encino/tarzana area!???

when the hell are we getting new channels in encino/tarzana area!???

im guessing youre in the reseda service area so thatd mean october

http://www.timewarnercable.com/socal/products/hdtv.html

Where can I find accurate listings for Palladia?

I caught part of the Dave Matthews Band at Piedmont Park on Palladia early this morning and it was epic. I want to see the whole thing - where can I find out when it'll be on again?

I definitely want to catch it before it goes off the rotation since Leroi Moore passed away.

After many generally very good years with Time-Warner in West Los Angeles, their service has been less than stellar in the past 3-4 months with outages averaging 1 every 3 weeks.

TWC has rewired our area although I haven't noticed any signal improvements.

I'm thinking of replacing TWC with Verizon FIOS which is now available in my area.

Question: has anyone made the switch to FIOS? If so, how would you compare the 2 services?

Thanks;

StanSince no one else has replied, I'll give you some basic info.

First, Verizon FiOS is the only provider that passes HD to the end user as they receive it. This means they should have the best HD image quality available.

Second, they are in the process of adding new HD channels across the country. Most all areas have ~40 HD channels now, with 100 scheduled to be available between now and the end of the year (probably a lot sooner than 12/31).

Third, they generally offer much higher Internet speed than the cable competition.

Fourth, with very, very few exceptions, anyone who gets FiOS likes it.

Thanks, Ken.

Stan

Thanks, Ken.

Stan

Forgot this, link to the main FiOS topic, in the Programming Forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=590208

And, one correction, they plan on 150 HD channel by the end of the year, not 100, sorry.

Well, maybe not so sorry for someone that can get FiOS. I can't.

Please provide specifics.

Do you have a cable box... STB? DVR? From TWC or not TWC? What kind?

Or do you have just a cable card? And if so, are you using a Sony DVR or Tivo Series 3 with that cable card plugged into that box?

Or are you using a cable card plugged into your HDTV with no external hardware box at all for the coax between the wall and your HDTV?

Or are you using NO BOX AT ALL... plugging the coax directly into your QAM-capable HDTV, but with cable card plugged into the HDTV?

Some other arrangement I haven't offered?

Also, where do you live? Former Adelphia or Comcast?

I provided some of that info in a previous post and nobody responded. After getting through to Time Warner, they didn't want to know any of that, they just told me there was a network problem and FSN was trying to fix it.

As of today, it's fixed for me. The Angels game is currently on 413.

I've always received FSN HD on 413 using my Motorola HD DVR, but after the Olympics, it's only been a test pattern even when games on the On-Screen-Guide are in progress. Not a big deal since I'm not a huge baseball fan, but I'd be complaining once hockey season rolls around. Anyone else getting that?Same for me this morning when the Angels game was shown as being on.

Contacted TWC. Response was:

"The video switch to the game should be done by the network (FSN). I have just sent FSN an email. I will keep you posted on any updates."

Shortly thereafter the Angels game was on.

Where can I find accurate listings for Palladia?

I caught part of the Dave Matthews Band at Piedmont Park on Palladia early this morning and it was epic. I want to see the whole thing - where can I find out when it'll be on again?

I definitely want to catch it before it goes off the rotation since Leroi Moore passed away.

I used the Search on the guide and found the additional times it will show..

3:30pm Friday
12:30am Sunday
1:00pm Sunday

Hope that helps...

Where can I find accurate listings for Palladia?

I caught part of the Dave Matthews Band at Piedmont Park on Palladia early this morning and it was epic. I want to see the whole thing - where can I find out when it'll be on again?

I definitely want to catch it before it goes off the rotation since Leroi Moore passed away.

titantv.com. its showing again tomorrow at 3:30 PM.

I believe it's a re-named MHD.

I believe it's a re-named MHD.Why guess?

From the HDTV Programming Synopsis:

Palladia - broadcasting 1080i
MTV presents Palladia, reflecting the state-of-the-art channel's rich and varied musical offerings to viewers eager for an immersive, high-definition home entertainment experience. The term Palladia conveys a sense of spectacle -- a grand stage, a vast arena and the excitement of live musical performances. The channel will premiere a different concert every Saturday at 9 p.m. and will show “seminal rock movies” every Thursday at 9 p.m. The first week of September will be “Outdoor Music Week” featuring outdoor music concerts with performers including Madonna, Usher, Dave Matthews Band, Eric Clapton, John Mayer, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, The Who, Green Day, Genesis, Jay-Z, Amy Winehouse, Foo Fighters, Kanye West, David Bowie, Snoop Dogg, Sugarland, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Dierks Bentley, Hank Williams Jr., Queen, Will Smith and The Rolling Stones. Future themed programming includes a hip-hop weekend in October, and a classic-rock movie week in November -- with first-time-ever HD telecasts of Led Zeppelin’s Song Remains The Same, Pink Floyd: The Wall and The Rolling Stones’ Let’s Spend The Night Together.
http://www.palladia.tv/


MHD - broadcasting 1080i
The HD music channel from Viacom, featuring programming from MTV: Music Television, VH1 and Country Music Television. On 9/1/08, MHD became Palladia, basically the same type of channel, but hopefully putting the woefully repetitive schedule behind them. 1/06 - 8/08.

Resident of Redondo Beach with TWC here. Before the Olympics I was able to get all local networks in HD quality (720-1080) with only a QAM tuner in my HDTV. (no cable card, no box, only subscribe to basic cable).

During the Olympics the lineup was changed to include a number of new channels (including 1080 versions of Universal HD and USA HD.) Once this was done however, the network channels ceased to be broadcast in HD but in SD (480). As of today (9-4-08) Universal HD is still available while USA HD is not. Universal HD is the only channel that comes through in HD. Every other channel is in SD, both the broadcast tier and the local channels that were previously in HD (1080).

Now its my understanding that stations must broadcast the HD versions of local stations as mandated by the FCC. Is this an urban legend and has anyone else experienced this as well?

Resident of Redondo Beach with TWC here. Before the Olympics I was able to get all local networks in HD quality (720-1080) with only a QAM tuner in my HDTV. (no cable card, no box, only subscribe to basic cable).

During the Olympics the lineup was changed to include a number of new channels (including 1080 versions of Universal HD and USA HD.) Once this was done however, the network channels ceased to be broadcast in HD but in SD (480). As of today (9-4-08) Universal HD is still available while USA HD is not. Universal HD is the only channel that comes through in HD. Every other channel is in SD, both the broadcast tier and the local channels that were previously in HD (1080).

Now its my understanding that stations must broadcast the HD versions of local stations as mandated by the FCC. Is this an urban legend and has anyone else experienced this as well?

TWC Manhattan Beach here. Former Adelphia. Since I have TWC Redondo I assume it is the same as yours. I too only have basic cable, no box, no cable card, tuning direct using my QAM tuner. After the Olympics they shuffled the frequencies, and mapping of the HD networks. They are now mapped at 2.1 for CBS, 4.1 for NBC etc.

While my TV is able to pull in these signals from the cable just fine, my SONY DVR really struggles to find them, and often says there is no signal. It is either too weak a signal, or the Sony suffers from poor multi-path rejection (as suggested on another thread here)...Perhaps your TV suffers the same as my DVR?

Anyway...I found the solution...Antenna!!! Got a 2 bay Channel Master UHF only antenna, and using a satellite dish mount (whole set up cost less than $100) put it on the roof and aimed it at Mt. Wilson....voila....better HD picture than the cable ever gave me. Now, if it weren't for FSW, ESPN, and Discovery I would lose the cable.

Yeah. The Antenna option was my very first ploy a few years ago, except that I live in an apartment on the bottom floor and pick up no HD signal whatsoever. I barely get KCAL 9, and that was only after I had a signal booster.

But THANKS! I didn't realize until I read your post that the channels come in as you said (2.1 or 4.1) I went in and took a look and sure enough I get those HD channels but as with yourself my tuner isn't finding them on its own for some reason. Anyway, I'm good to go! Thanks again.

Some of you may recall that a few days ago, I posted about some SD QAM channels that had "disappeared" from the lineup, but that I was subsequently able to locate on my TV and DVD recorder, although my HD card in my PC couldn't find them.

I got the chance to do some investigation tonight. The channels in question are all on "Channel 80" i.e. they show up on the TV and DVD recorder as 80-1 etc. They've got no fewer than TWELVE sub-channels crammed into that one channel. What appears to be happening is that the compression is so high that my card is seeing them as encrypted channels! Anyone else seeing this?

I used the Search on the guide and found the additional times it will show..

3:30pm Friday
12:30am Sunday
1:00pm Sunday

Hope that helps...

titantv.com. its showing again tomorrow at 3:30 PM.


Perfect, thanks very much guys.

It's common for cableco's to re-shuffle QAM channels, sometimes on a regular basis. The only thing you can do is to re-scan for channels, if you lose something you had.

It's common for cableco's to re-shuffle QAM channels, sometimes on a regular basis. The only thing you can do is to re-scan for channels, if you lose something you had.

Ken,

If this is in response to my post, this is after several re-scans. They do show up on the PC, just as encrypted channels (on the Aver Media Center, they show up with a "padlock" symbol beside them). Bizarre.

Ken,

If this is in response to my post, this is after several re-scans. They do show up on the PC, just as encrypted channels (on the Aver Media Center, they show up with a "padlock" symbol beside them). Bizarre.

It sounds like when the QAM channels got reshuffled, something else also happened. You could call TWC, but be forewarned you'll need to find someone that knows what QAM is, and is willing to help, like a supervisor.

Tonight is one of the few times we have to compare PQ on all 3 major networks with the "Stand Up To Cancer" simulcast on ABC,CBS and NBC.


I have been observing very poor PQ on KABC DT for a while and during the RNC convention i thought we saw a pool feed but i wasn't 100% sure.Tonight,I am 100% sure there is something desperately wrong with KABC DT as transmitted by TWC.It looks like SD quality or like someone smeared vaseline on the camera lenses.


We know this because the program looks fine on KCBS DT and KNBC DT.This is way beyond just the normal 720p/1080i marginal quality difference.I wonder if this is a problem that TWC is responsible for or if KABC is really sending this junk over the airwaves.My OTA signal is very poor so can someone confirm how KABC DT looks OTA.

Edit:After carefully scrutinizing the local 11pm newcast it appears that the sub par picture quality originates with the ABC television network.I have noticed very poor quality while channelsurfing during the past week or so on network shows like Grey's Anatomy,Samantha Who and Ugly Betty.I wonder what is going on at the network distribution level or maybe KABC are doing upgrades?

I wouldn't be so fast to exonerate Time-Warner.
In my area (East San Fernando Valley, formerly Adelphia), they are taking the 720p stations (KABC, KTTV, KCET), converting the signal to 1080i, then compressing the signal to about the equivalent of 720p bit rates.
(They started broadcasting KABC in 1080i in the last day or so.)

Seriously, WTF? :confused:

I wouldn't be so fast to exonerate Time-Warner.
In my area (East San Fernando Valley, formerly Adelphia), they are taking the 720p stations (KABC, KTTV, KCET), converting the signal to 1080i, then compressing the signal to about the equivalent of 720p bit rates.
(They started broadcasting KABC in 1080i in the last day or so.)Just in passing, the above three channels are the expected 720p for me in Marina Del Rey, former Comcast. Can't comment on bitrates.

I wouldn't be so fast to exonerate Time-Warner.
In my area (East San Fernando Valley, formerly Adelphia), they are taking the 720p stations (KABC, KTTV, KCET), converting the signal to 1080i, then compressing the signal to about the equivalent of 720p bit rates.
(They started broadcasting KABC in 1080i in the last day or so.)

Seriously, WTF? :confused:

Yep,Eagle Rock also are upconverting these (KABC, KTTV, KCET) 720p stations to 1080i.This is really sad because at least before the latest additions TWC would NEVER do recompression of HD signals.As poor as the selection of HD content used to be,at least what we had was in descent quality.There was sometimes bit starvation on HDNET,MHD & D-Theater but they never messed with the broadcast networks before.


I just wish i could reach someone with an engineering degree at TWC to talk to because even the highest levels of CSR supervisors are completely useless to converse with.

I just wish i could reach someone with an engineering degree at TWC to talk to because even the highest levels of CSR supervisors are completely useless to converse with.

No doubt by design. It's unlikely TWC wants to discuss their broadcast decisions with the public. That's no to say they couldn't learn something and be well served by suggestions and comments, but Customer Service is there more to sign people up, schedule repair visits, etc.

Does anybody know if there will be any NFL Sun. Ticket games available in-the-clear qam? I know it's a shot in the dark, but you guys here seem unbelievably knowledgable.

I am in Calabasas, CA. TWC.

TIA

Does anybody know if there will be any NFL Sun. Ticket games available in-the-clear qam? I know it's a shot in the dark, but you guys here seem unbelievably knowledgable.

I am in Calabasas, CA. TWC.

TIA

TWC doesn't have Sunday Ticket- only Directv does. Heck, TWC doesn't even have the NFL Network. So the only games we get are the ones on CBS, FOX, & NBC on Sundays and ESPN on Monday night.

I'm in Thousand Oaks. Why shouldn't I switch to DirecTV? Any good reasons from TWC fanboys? If there are any.

Does anybody know if there will be any NFL Sun. Ticket games available in-the-clear qam? I know it's a shot in the dark, but you guys here seem unbelievably knowledgable.

I am in Calabasas, CA. TWC.

TIA

Only games on the major local networks are in the QAM.

Sunday Ticket is a service of DirecTV and I believe there is a deal if you sign up at Circuit City for a free season. Not sure if you have to buy a TV or what.

i dont get why TWC likes upconverting channels to 1080i. when they give you one thing, they take several away. they finally stopped upconverting FSN HD to 1080i but then ESPN HD and ABC are upconverted to 1080i now. plus im still getting universal HD and im not supposed to be getting it anymore.

i dont get why TWC likes upconverting channels to 1080i. when they give you one thing, they take several away. they finally stopped upconverting FSN HD to 1080i but then ESPN HD and ABC are upconverted to 1080i now.

Sorry to hear they're still screwing with things there CaChooka MAn.Very weird things going on with TWC these days. Here in Orange County things have been stable lately,ESPN has stuck at 720P and looks good,same with ABC.Our FSN is back to 1080i tonight though.They better give FSN and PT their own channels for next years baseball season,we're missing out on a lot of HD baseball,either Dodgers or Angels.

i dont get why TWC likes upconverting channels to 1080i. when they give you one thing, they take several away. they finally stopped upconverting FSN HD to 1080i but then ESPN HD and ABC are upconverted to 1080i now. plus im still getting universal HD and im not supposed to be getting it anymore.
Universal HD in the clear is a mistake. It will go away the next time some free preview of some channels ends. Or at the next reshuffling/additions of channels. Same way FSN HD was there for a while and now is scrambled.

Rudy

What can we expect in Feb 09 when the analog channels go away?
What will TWC do?

Will they have enough band width to add more channels?

Will they continue to feed those channels (convert to analog) so that people that have direct cables hooked up to tvs (like my kids room) still get the lower 70+ channels

Well going all Digital mean that my picture quality will improve. ESPN HD is so bad last week i had to watch the UCLA game on STD Def as its keeps breaking up and stuttering. So do a bunch of other channels and its not always consistent.

I just want to watch TV how hard is it to get a picture that stays on and is watchable... last sunday 3 times my 8300HDC shut down and rebooted in the middle of the day?

god where is FIOS

Where did you hear that TWC is dropping analog channels?

Where did you hear that TWC is dropping analog channels?

The eventually will. Not now. For now they'll be converting. They will do the job of that $60 box you can get. Since the broadcasters are stopping to broadcast analog next Feb.

Are you having any problems with your program guide in the LA area?

All of a sudden, at 9:00 PM Tuesday, the San Diego system guide has channels for the LA system. What's going on here?

Disregard, must have been a local "oops" in the San Diego area. Guide fixed as of 9:40 PM.

Posted under the Cable/Digital Cable (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=35) AVS forum topic, thread name "Why am I missing some channels" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1064919), the new member remarks:I have TWC in LA. All we pay for is RR internet service (6megs), but, as I suspected, I ran a splitter from the line going into the house so that one line goes to the modem and the other to our living room tv and, magically, we have basic cable...almost. I have an LCD tv with a QAM tuner and I pick up all the networks channels as well as their HD channels, and a lot of the basic cable HD channels (Discovery, CNN, History, Food, TLC, ESPNEWS, NBA, those crappy music channels). Is this common among SoCal TWC systems? The fellow proceeded to ask how he could receive more cable channels without paying TWC for cable TV service, claiming he was "poor/cheap".

What can we expect in Feb 09 when the analog channels go away?
What will TWC do?
They will continue the analog feeds. They have been (and the government has been) advertising that cable customers will see no change. If you read the articles this week of the North Carolina test case (they went all digital this week), the stations got many phone calls and many people signed-up for cable instead of deciding what other route they wanted to take. Should be a cable boom keeping analog for now. /Dan

Is this common among SoCal TWC systems? The fellow proceeded to ask how he could receive more cable channels without paying TWC for cable TV service, claiming he was "poor/cheap".

He is probably just in an area where they have the new HD channels and they are in the clear for some reason. They will be scrambled at some point. Analog stuff and clear qam would continue to come in I would assume. That "passive theft" argument about it being illegal in that thread sounds like some made up law that cable companies perpetuate to cover the fact that as far as I know they never sue anybody because it would be difficult to prove and a waste of money in lawyer's fees.

That "passive theft" argument about it being illegal ... like some made up law that cable companies perpetuate.

Sentences in state and federal theft of service cases have ranged from probation to 16 years in prison with fines ranging from several hundred dollars to $2.7 million. Civil judgments have run as high as $245 million. http://www.cox.com/ocpv/cable/theft.asp

Just noticed that it's already Sep 11th....

Anyone know when people in Ventura county are going to get their dose of the new lackluster HD channels ???

I have a newer Panasonic plasma and use the favorites menu to pull up my HD stations that come thru the Qam. Two nights ago KNBC4-HD (4.1) was gone from my favorites menu. I rescanned all the channels and it still wasn't there. Can't even manually add it. Did they move it somewhere else that I'm not finding???

Anybody else having this issue?

Thanks,

Jim

Just noticed that it's already Sep 11th....

Anyone know when people in Ventura county are going to get their dose of the new lackluster HD channels ???


They seem to just keep pushing back the dates further and further. Ventura is still "scheduled" for sometime this month.

I'm in Northridge and was originally scheduled for August.... Then it changed to September.....THEN it changed to October.

Evil

I have a newer Panasonic plasma and use the favorites menu to pull up my HD stations that come thru the Qam. Two nights ago KNBC4-HD (4.1) was gone from my favorites menu. I rescanned all the channels and it still wasn't there. Can't even manually add it. Did they move it somewhere else that I'm not finding???

Anybody else having this issue?

Thanks,

Jim
This happened in Camarillo last week. 4-1 disappeared from my LG and will not allow manual entry of 4-1 or 93-502. My Sony dropped the 4-1 but still allows access to 93-502. 93-502 is also working on my PC QAM tuners

This happened in Camarillo last week. 4-1 disappeared from my LG and will not allow manual entry of 4-1 or 93-502. My Sony dropped the 4-1 but still allows access to 93-502. 93-502 is also working on my PC QAM tuners

Just re-scanned when I got home and 4-1 is back now. Last night when I was searching around for it I did have Universal-HD so I'll have to check later and see if it's gone now.

Jim

Just checked and U-HD is still working.

ABC and fox are back to 720p now. ESPN is still in 1080i though.

4-1 NBC back in Camarillo this morning as well. Now the I-Guide for the Motorola DVR is missing about half of information randomly for the next 2 weeks.

hi,
I was checking to see if the USC game was in HD. In the past ABC games from LA have not been in HD.

I used the HD channel guide to see what was on channel by channel. Channels 404, 405, 409, 411 have "No Listings Available" displayed. So do 428,429,430.

Channel 427 had only 5:45PM Bee Movie, 7:30 PM Boxing

Channel 402, and 407 only show local news on HD

Right now (10:06) the Today show is in HD, but does not show as HD anywhere in the channel. \

Tech support was useless. She can send a tech to me on Tuesday. Wow, such prompt service.

Does anyone else have this problem

ABC and fox are back to 720p now. ESPN is still in 1080i though.

Same here. KABC and KTTV are back to 720p
KCET is still on 1080i.

i spoke too soon. ABC is back to 1080i just in time for the USC game. :mad:

First my ESPN is stuttering and splattering? so do a few other channels

Then my Internet and phone go down. so i call and get Fred with and indian accent that goes through his script. I told him i was on my cell and my phone was not working but he wanted me to turn off all the computers in my house? I have 5.
then after 30 min with him I got disconected, did they call back NO
Then it started to work as it is now but every 40 or so minutes it goes dead

so i called again was on hold for 45 min 2nd times 30 min 3rd time i called from my cell drove from fountain valley to costa mesa and back went to get lunch ate lunch and was still on hold when i gave up. 50 min....
so i am on hold again now watching football wondering if anyone will pick up? its been 23 min now

there are three options when you call cable, RR and phone the good option if you call about a broken fall it give you instructions on how to access voice mail then bounces you out..

monday its another email to the time warner VP for Los Angeles

is FIOS in Fountain Valley ?

Looks like all my QAM channels no longer work...grrr.

PLEASE STOP RECOMPRESSING OUR HD CHANNELS!

At the very,very least i wish they would leave the local network affiliates alone.I have been trying to watch football for the past two weeks but the blurring and pixellation has destroyed the PQ on even KCBS wich was suberb before.You can see it in disolves and scene changes where the mpeg re-encoding just can't keep up.Also look at crowd shots during football wich is just a blurry mess where it used to be crystal clear.


KTTV,KNBC,KTLA & KABC also suffers in these same areas.KCAL & KCET seems to have escaped without to much recompression as they still look ok PQ wise.Just compare the Dodger game on KCAL and the Charger game on KCBS and the difference is now dramatic where it used to be of equal high quality.If the bandwith is that limited i plead with TWC to eliminate some of the last additions to their HD lineup(who watches ABC Family HD & FOOD HD anyway?).


I would rather have 20 HD channels in the good quality that we used to have than 35 HD channels recompressed all to hell.

Looks like all my QAM channels no longer work...grrr.

Where are you? Appears all mine have gone here too.

Could someone do me a huge favor and check to see if they have Mad Men Ep. 207 in HD Showcase > AMC Mad Men, OnDemand? For some reason I have gotten 201-206, and now 208. Completely skipping 207. Wondering if it's something going on with just my service, or if no one around here is getting it.

Could someone do me a huge favor and check to see if they have Mad Men Ep. 207 in HD Showcase > AMC Mad Men, OnDemand? For some reason I have gotten 201-206, and now 208. Completely skipping 207. Wondering if it's something going on with just my service, or if no one around here is getting it.

it only shows 203-206 and 208 for me. no 201, 202 or 207.

it only shows 203-206 and 208 for me. no 201, 202 or 207.

OK, that's what I get now. 201 and 202 have expired (as expected). Not sure what went on with 207. Looks like TimeWarner is slippin'.

Thanks for checking!

QAM fine on Sunday in Camarillo, down this morning except for WGN, CSPAN-2, and UHD

Did a channel scan yesterday, and noticed that 13.1 was now present, here in WLA.

Rudy

Just noticed that it's already Sep 11th....

Anyone know when people in Ventura county are going to get their dose of the new lackluster HD channels ???

I just moved and had the cable guy come out this past week to set it up at my new apartment (93004). I think he was with one of the sub-contracted companies and not TW itself so I have no idea how much he actually knows, but he said that TW in Ventura was a mess and it would probably be pushed back, but didn't know when.

I hate signing contracts and I've been holding off because its more expensive, but I'm getting closer and closer to switching over to DirectTV and getting rid of the TW mess altogether.

They seem to just keep pushing back the dates further and further. Ventura is still "scheduled" for sometime this month.

I'm in Northridge and was originally scheduled for August.... Then it changed to September.....THEN it changed to October.

EvilTalked to my local "Cable Guy"
He stated all areas may get pushed backed To Feb.
:(

I have a n00b question...

My apartment complex provides free basic cable. I am provided with what's probably the bottom-of-the-line receiver. I'm buying a Samsung HL50A650 today, has a QAM tuner. Will I have access to HD channels? If so, will it be through the box or do I need the cable line to go straight in to the TV? And which channels?

I just want to be able to watch football in HD this weekend.

I have a n00b question...

My apartment complex provides free basic cable. I am provided with what's probably the bottom-of-the-line receiver. I'm buying a Samsung HL50A650 today, has a QAM tuner. Will I have access to HD channels? If so, will it be through the box or do I need the cable line to go straight in to the TV? And which channels?

I just want to be able to watch football in HD this weekend.Cable straight to the antenna input, TV to cable, scan for channels. The locals should show up where they belong (2.1, 4.1, etc.). /Dan

Cable straight to the antenna input, TV to cable, scan for channels. The locals should show up where they belong (2.1, 4.1, etc.). /Dan

That sounds like music to my ears. And candy to my eyeballs. Thank you!

FSN HD is also back to 1080i now. so frustrating.

Talked to my local "Cable Guy"
He stated all areas may get pushed backed To Feb.
:(

AHHHH! I am in Ventura & if those HD channels don't come by the end of this month, then it's bye-bye cable and hello satellite. TW is charging me 20 bucks more per month than satellite for this garbage? The only thing that has been holding me back is the contract w/ satellite, but at this point I've given up on TW. I'm pissed!:mad:

QAM fine on Sunday in Camarillo, down this morning except for WGN, CSPAN-2, and UHD

Nothing here in QAM tonight. No 2-1, 4-1, 7-1 etc....

Wonder what's going on......

Fios can you hear me. Please come to my area :p

Jim

I don't know what this means, but all of the channels showed up in my TiVo Guide tonight, but none are active. TiVo is usually pretty good at not adding channels long before you actually have them, so I'd suspect that I should have them pretty soon, I hope.

So I go to plug in the cable cable into my HDTV and notice there's some sort of connector on it that seems to prevent me from uncoupling it from the cable box. WTF do I do?

So I go to plug in the cable cable into my HDTV and notice there's some sort of connector on it that seems to prevent me from uncoupling it from the cable box. WTF do I do?

Okay, I got it off. Is there a channel list or guide to getting the HDTV channels? I'm such a n00b. =(

Did anyone try to watch Batman Begins on KABC Monday night?I have posted about the terrible PQ before but i guess no one else cares.The broadcast picture was so soft that it made my XVID files look good.Definitely worse than dvd quality and nowhere near HD quality.This seems to be the network only as the local news is ok at 11pm.

Okay, I got it off. Is there a channel list or guide to getting the HDTV channels? I'm such a n00b. =(

You need to do a scan on your TV setup menu. After that, just cycling through each channel to find them. If your cable provider mapped them correctly then you will see 2.1, 4.1,.... if not then look for them in the higher ranges. The QAM HD and SD channels should be xx.x, or xxx.x.

You can also tell others exactly which city you are in, and someone in the same area might have a list handy, hopefully will post it.

KCOP-HD hasnt been working for the past few days for me, just displays a message "One Moment Please". I dont feel like calling TWC yet.

Nothing here in QAM tonight. No 2-1, 4-1, 7-1 etc....

Wonder what's going on......

Fios can you hear me. Please come to my area :p

Jim
QAM is back in Camarillo. TWC moved all of the channel mappings. 2-13, KCET, KDOC, and UHD are in high def with the appropriate .1 channel numbers. Te side for my PC QAM tuer had the new lineup early yesterday.
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels
This is a very good site for finding updated QAM channel mappings.

So I go to plug in the cable cable into my HDTV and notice there's some sort of connector on it that seems to prevent me from uncoupling it from the cable box. WTF do I do?
Keep in mind that using the Cable Box will give you more HD channels, than using QAM.

Rudy

Keep in mind that using the Cable Box will give you more HD channels, than using QAM.

Rudy

Really? Don't I need a HD receiver from Comcast? I have the standard cheap-o basic cable box. I tried tuning to some HD channels with the box and I only received audio, no video.

Just turned on the DVR and we have the new HD channels in Perris, as of this morning. We were scheduled to launch in September, and they made with the promise.

410 - KCOP HD
416 & 418 are currently HD Theater--I assume that's a mistake and 418 will be replaced by Discovery HD once someone notices.
423 - Versus/Golf HD
426 - ESPNNews HD
432 - CNNHD
433 - HGTV HD
434 - FoodTV HD
435 - Disney Channel HD
436 - ABC Family HD
437 - TLC HD
438 - A&E HD
439 - History Channel HD
440 - National Geographic HD

AHHHH! I am in Ventura & if those HD channels don't come by the end of this month, then it's bye-bye cable and hello satellite. TW is charging me 20 bucks more per month than satellite for this garbage? The only thing that has been holding me back is the contract w/ satellite, but at this point I've given up on TW. I'm pissed!:mad:

I called TWC about the HBO & Cinemax for $10 per month for 12 months.
The Lady on the phone thur in 12 months of Showtime for Free...

Found out this morning that the new HD stations are now working in Gardena. It's about 2 months earlier than I thought. This may stay the execution of TWC, but only for a little while. THinking of going to satellite.

KCOP-HD hasnt been working for the past few days for me, just displays a message "One Moment Please". I dont feel like calling TWC yet.


Someone actually watches KCOP?... :)....its working for me but my OnDemand is coming and going....

I pick up KCOP HD on my computer with clear qam, but it hasn't showed up with my hd box on my tv yet.


is there anything on KCOP in HD? I thought the angels games would be, but it wasn't this pass weekend.

Really? Don't I need a HD receiver from Comcast? I have the standard cheap-o basic cable box. I tried tuning to some HD channels with the box and I only received audio, no video.With basic cable (that you get free), you are doing it correct. To get the rest of the HD channels you do need Digital Cable and an HD box. The other commentor missed the fact you have "free" basic cable. If you were paying, I would say look into it because Digital Cable is actually cheaper than Basic Cable. /Dan

Found out this morning that the new HD stations are now working in Gardena. It's about 2 months earlier than I thought. This may stay the execution of TWC, but only for a little while. THinking of going to satellite.
There Up
In The So. Bay



423 - Versus/Golf HD
426 - ESPNNews HD
432 - CNNHD
433 - HGTV HD
434 - FoodTV HD
435 - Disney Channel HD
436 - ABC Family HD
437 - TLC HD
438 - A&E HD
439 - History Channel HD
440 - National Geographic HD




:)

New HD channels are on in Camarillo.

With basic cable (that you get free), you are doing it correct. To get the rest of the HD channels you do need Digital Cable and an HD box. The other commentor missed the fact you have "free" basic cable. If you were paying, I would say look into it because Digital Cable is actually cheaper than Basic Cable. /Dan

So I did the auto-find and the channels all over the place and I can't find things like Comedy Central, Discovery, etc. Pretty much anything that isn't local and the HD is on stuff like 67-158 or whatever. Did I do something wrong?

So I did the auto-find and the channels all over the place and I can't find things like Comedy Central, Discovery, etc. Pretty much anything that isn't local and the HD is on stuff like 67-158 or whatever. Did I do something wrong?

no. you dont get very many channels using clear QAM. when i was using my TVs QAM tuner i would only get around 50 additional channels and most of them were just the digital and HD counterparts of the locals.