I noticed tooday some of the commercial are now in HD on channel 9 when not in ABC network programing. During Ellen I saw a Olive garden HD commerical that was in 16x9 not in the 4:3 that they normally show the comercials in when not in network programing.

This is the first ocal station to use the HD commercials in HD when not in network programing from ABC.

During CSI Miami tonight they did a showing for the 11pm news in HD not 4:3 like they normally do on channel 12.

You are likely seeing power or phone with 6" diameter cable. Fiber, even large count fiber, is not that large. It is probable it is Cinti Bell. Take what I am saying with a grain of salt because I am only going by your description. If you can indeed get photos and post them here I can tell you with almost 100% certainty what it is.

Got a pic today finally!

Got a pic today finally!

That's not cables. Those are conduits. The actual cables will go inside the conduits. Most likely fiber for Cinti Bell.;)

That's not cables. Those are conduits. The actual cables will go inside the conduits. Most likely fiber for Cinti Bell.;)

Ahhh! I assumed the cables were already in the black covering.

I noticed tooday some of the commercial are now in HD on channel 9 when not in ABC network programing. During Ellen I saw a Olive garden HD commerical that was in 16x9 not in the 4:3 that they normally show the comercials in when not in network programing.

This is the first ocal station to use the HD commercials in HD when not in network programing from ABC.Is Ellen syndicated in HD and shown as such on WCPO? If so, the question would be if the commercial you saw was part of the syndication or if it "originated" at WCPO.

During CSI Miami tonight they did a showing for the 11pm news in HD not 4:3 like they normally do on channel 12.Was it a live teaser or recorded? WLWT has been doing their live previews in 16:9 since they moved their newcasts to that format. I had not seen anyone do pre-recorded HD previews yet so if that is what you saw from WCPO that would be the first I've heard.

Ahhh! I assumed the cables were already in the black covering.

Naaa. Too costly. The fiber will get pulled thru after the conduit is in the ground. Safer and cheaper that way.;)

Naaa. Too costly. The fiber will get pulled thru after the conduit is in the ground. Safer and cheaper that way.;)

Today I saw spools of bright orange. Looked smaller than the black diameter.

Today I saw spools of bright orange. Looked smaller than the black diameter.

More conduit.:)

WOTH LD Update:

Looks like Block Broadcasting has plans for a 5th digital channel. Right now they are showing color bars on 25.5 - the data stream says "Skyline" channel. Anyone know what's coming? Stay tuned.....

WOTH LD Update:

Looks like Block Broadcasting has plans for a 5th digital channel. Right now they are showing color bars on 25.5 - the data stream says "Skyline" channel. Anyone know what's coming? Stay tuned.....

Snow storm in progress preventing me from seeing 25.anything. Hopefully Mr. WOTH guy will see this give us an update.

Skyline will probably be the tower cam from downtown. Audio will probably be weather.

Skyline will probably be the tower cam from downtown. Audio will probably be weather.

Possible. However, last time they used the "skyline" name as a placeholder for 25.4 until it became Jewelry TV. My hope is it's another new channel of niche programming.

Possible. However, last time they used the "skyline" name as a placeholder for 25.4 until it became Jewelry TV. My hope is it's another new channel of niche programming.

In a related vein, Sinclair is bringing a new music television network called Cool Music Network (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/media/cool-music-network-thecooltv-sinclair-television-group-announce-partnership/) (THECOOLTV) to a lot of their markets. Hopefully WSTR will pick it up.

In a related vein, Sinclair is bringing a new music television network called Cool Music Network (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/media/cool-music-network-thecooltv-sinclair-television-group-announce-partnership/) (THECOOLTV) to a lot of their markets. Hopefully WSTR will pick it up.

That awesome - about time we got a "music" only video channel. Indy has one and so do many other medium/large markets.

We (Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky) now have THIS TV and RTV. Only thing missing (if we indeed obtain a music video channel) would be something like Universal Sports....which Indy also has.

Just checked: http://www.thecooltv.com/THECOOLTV_SinclairTelevisionGroup.php

This network (sub-channel) IS coming to Cincinnati (Star64) and Dayton (not sure if on WRGT or WKEF.....

Yeah!

Just checked: http://www.thecooltv.com/THECOOLTV_SinclairTelevisionGroup.php

This network (sub-channel) IS coming to Cincinnati (Star64) and Dayton (not sure if on WRGT or WKEF.....

Yeah!

Ugh.. no more subchannels, please. For SEC network games, WSTR has had great PQ. Hate to see what it will look like after the addition of a subchannel. WBDT, by comparison, looks terrible with just one subchannel.

Ugh.. no more subchannels, please. For SEC network games, WSTR has had great PQ. Hate to see what it will look like after the addition of a subchannel. WBDT, by comparison, looks terrible with just one subchannel.

Yeah, that's the "trade-off" that most people - pure, uncompressed. over-the-air HDTV enthusiasts - are not happy about. I'm somewhat torn on this issue. I like the capability of a "clean" over-the air HDTV signal, but also enjoy more FREE, niche programming choices.

Guess it's true what they say - "can't have your cake (HDTV) and ....well, you know. :D

Also, I speculate that these stations are desperately looking for more ad revenue $$$$$$$

Wonder how long it will take Kiese or Tri-State Media Watch pick-up on this new development?

Stay tuned!

Anyone watching the Super Bowl feed throug DirecTV on channel 12 and not getting Dolby Digital 5.1? My receiver shows that it's only broadcasting in stereo, not Dolby Digital. Can get other 5.1 to come in fine on other channels. Just checking...live in Maineville area.

Anyone watching the Super Bowl feed throug DirecTV on channel 12 and not getting Dolby Digital 5.1? My receiver shows that it's only broadcasting in stereo, not Dolby Digital. Can get other 5.1 to come in fine on other channels. Just checking...live in Maineville area.

Just stereo here too...wtf!

fafner

I posted a message to DirecTV's monitoring thread for the Super Bowl so let's see what they say...looks like they are responding pretty quickly. Glad it's just not me.

I was under the impression that WKRC did not provide 5.1 audio.

- Trip

Seems that previous poster had it right. Here is the response from DirecTV:

Thank you again for this report.
The broadcast center advised that this station does not broadcast a Dolby 5.1 signal at this time.

The one football game a year where I would really like this...oh well.

Seems that previous poster had it right. Here is the response from DirecTV:

Thank you again for this report.
The broadcast center advised that this station does not broadcast a Dolby 5.1 signal at this time.

The one football game a year where I would really like this...oh well.

Yeah, WKRC also does not broadcast syndicated programming such as Entertainment Tonight HD in HD! And, they don't broadcast network programming in Dolby 5.1

Can you say cheap? :D

One would think with all that revenue from the Bengals games this past year they could spring for some updated HDTV video/audio equipment.

I'm just sayin'............

Gentlemen...this is why I am watching WHIO from Dayton OTA and the audio is fabulous! For those without that option just use DD PLII. It is pretty close. Damn I love OTA! The Who was just such a fantastic audio experience! Cranked 'er up! And the video...eye candy, pure eye candy. :D

Did I see a full HD ad for Local 12 news during halftime? :eek:

ncincy1/ThoraX695

Thanks for the input. I enjoy the subchannels like what was mention give Music videos and sports. I'll have basic cable just OTA.

5:55 Pm 2-8-10 WCPO Newscast Is it me or is WCPO'S Commericals a little distorted...blurry like? News is O.K the Commercials... even their Commercials about the news like Good morning Tri-State...Larrys Weather etc. are Blurry or distorted. It is like someone took a razor Blade every 1/8 inch or so and sliced everything and pulled or tugged every so slightly one tug to the left next line to the right and so on... You can see it in the lettering and numbers as well as everything else. It is that way on Directv and even OTA I flipped it over to my Antenna and it is the same Distorted/ Blurry like....but only in the Commercials went to WLWT and it was O.K did not check the Commercials on WLWT. But checked on another TV in the Bed room and WCPO's Commercial on that TV is just as bad flipped thru on that TV to WLWT and WKRC and the Commercials were just fine. Just Limited to WCPO's Commercials.

Yeah, WKRC also does not broadcast syndicated programming such as Entertainment Tonight HD in HD! And, they don't broadcast network programming in Dolby 5.1

Can you say cheap? :D

One would think with all that revenue from the Bengals games this past year they could spring for some updated HDTV video/audio equipment.

I'm just sayin'............

What about Entertainment Tonight would be enhanced by 5.1 channels of audio? You want the mood music coming from the rear speakers, instead of the front? :)

5:55 Pm 2-8-10 WCPO Newscast Is it me or is WCPO'S Commericals a little distorted...blurry like? News is O.K the Commercials... even their Commercials about the news like Good morning Tri-State...Larrys Weather etc. are Blurry or distorted. It is like someone took a razor Blade every 1/8 inch or so and sliced everything and pulled or tugged every so slightly one tug to the left next line to the right and so on... You can see it in the lettering and numbers as well as everything else. It is that way on Directv and even OTA I flipped it over to my Antenna and it is the same Distorted/ Blurry like....but only in the Commercials went to WLWT and it was O.K did not check the Commercials on WLWT. But checked on another TV in the Bed room and WCPO's Commercial on that TV is just as bad flipped thru on that TV to WLWT and WKRC and the Commercials were just fine. Just Limited to WCPO's Commercials.

Yes, and even my wife noticed it so you know it was bad. We were watching between 6-6:30pm. The commercials we saw were all 4:3 with pillar bars on the sides, so I assumed it had something to with that.

What about Entertainment Tonight would be enhanced by 5.1 channels of audio? You want the mood music coming from the rear speakers, instead of the front? :)

No! I'm talking about broadcasting the syndicated programs in HD not SD. Personally, I don't care if that particular show is in DD 5.1 or not.
I do agree that the Super Bowl would have sounded much better in 5.1

Yes, and even my wife noticed it so you know it was bad. We were watching between 6-6:30pm. The commercials we saw were all 4:3 with pillar bars on the sides, so I assumed it had something to with that.


Yeah, I saw that and it looked really bad :eek:

Ugh.. no more subchannels, please. For SEC network games, WSTR has had great PQ. Hate to see what it will look like after the addition of a subchannel. WBDT, by comparison, looks terrible with just one subchannel.WSTR has had as sizable number of null packets in their broadcast for some time now as a place holder to be able to add a subchannel. So theoretically they could add the subchannel and there wouldn't be any loss in PQ from what you have been seeing from them all along. WLWT has a subchannel (Weather Plus) and they dedicate more bandwidth to HD than WSTR does with no subs.

For those who said WLWT widescreen newscasts looked too bright... I watched yesterday and the picture looked much darker... thoughts?

For those who said WLWT widescreen newscasts looked too bright... I watched yesterday and the picture looked much darker... thoughts?

While I wouldn't say "much darker", I would say not as bright. It looks better I think but also one can tell it is not HD. But absolutely more watchable now than when they began the widescreen stretch.

I am looking for a really good speaker and A/V Receiver shop in the Tri-state. I live in northern KY. I'm not looking for the high end stuff...just something better than bestbuy and hhgregg. Do you guys have any ideas?

when they began the widescreen stretch.It's not a stretch... it's native 16:9 SD. :) Stretching is what dumb people do that makes squares into rectangles, circles into ovals, and skinny people fat. And speaking of just that, FOX 19 yesterday around 5:30pm was doing news coverage with school closings and information crawls taking up the bottom third of the screen. They squished the video above instead of properly resizing and it looked so terrible I couldn't believe anyone would allow that terrible of an output of a product.

I am looking for a really good speaker and A/V Receiver shop in the Tri-state. I live in northern KY. I'm not looking for the high end stuff...just something better than bestbuy and hhgregg. Do you guys have any ideas?

There is really no place in NKY(that I know of)your best option IMO would be Alamo Electronics on Montgomery Rd.

You could also try Ohio Valley Audio in Blue Ash:

http://www.ohiovalleyaudio.com/index2.html

I have had great dealings with them for over 20 years.

fafner

I have been doing a lot of online research these days while trying to design some of my family a whole house type system. I had no idea that the head quarters of one site, and speaker company was so close to me. I'm not sure how much they can still help me with the system I've been designing now, because I'm closing in on the final components. But I'm very interested in it for myself later on. Its the Dayton Audio company/ Parts Express store/warehouse (http://www.parts-express.com/locations.cfm). That link shows the location which is only about 45 minutes away. I have been researching their site today, and I gotta say, I think I now have DIY fever. Some of their diy speakers look really cool. I ordered their catalog and my wife has already agreed to go with me when we get the time. I had seen something about an annual DIY contest every June, which sounds like it could be pretty cool to attend.
Hey thanks for the suggestions. When the weather clears up I am going to visit those stores. I guess that Ohio Valley Audio is just a regular store? When I google map searched these types of places, most of the returned searches seemed like custom installer places only, as opposed retail stores.

I am looking for a really good speaker and A/V Receiver shop in the Tri-state. I live in northern KY. I'm not looking for the high end stuff...just something better than bestbuy and hhgregg. Do you guys have any ideas?

I have purchased some equipment from http://www.audibleelegance.com/ and they have always treated me well. They do have highend stuff, but I was able to get some entry level B&W Speakers that didn't break the bank.

Is 25.1-25.5 off the air as of 11:48pm if so why?

I wish I could get that channel, but I don't.

I wish I could get that channel, but I don't.

Not a big loss if you can't get it but it is nice for RTV once in awhile. They frequently have issues/repairs/upgrades as this is still pretty new to them (DTV).

It's just that I see their schedule online and I usually see a lot of sports being shown. And I am also a soccer fan, that never gets to see any games.

Well I'd watch 25.2 RTN If I could. I can't get it OTA or on Insight Cable

25.1-25.5

Back up and running.:D

They've been back up since yesterday morning. ;)

I've been using my President's Day holiday to research Antenna setups for pulling in OTA HD. Unfortunately, a lot of it is going over my head. i was hoping one of you guys might be able to give me some hardware advice.

Here's what I'm looking for:

1st priority is to reliably pick up all of the Cinci networks
I'd ideally like to be able to run the signal to multiple points in my house (2-3)
I'd prefer to keep the antenna in the attic
Dayton channels would be a nice-to-have


A link to my TV Fool signal analysis is included in my signature.

Thanks!

Attic antennas when we have snow like we have now (tho rare) can be less reliable. I looked at your TVFool and are you sure your attic location is 30'? That helps if it is. I used to live in Maineville at 48/22&3. Not sure if you are near there or not, but you will need 2 antennas (ideal) or a rotor (not as ideal) for both Cinti & Dayton stations.

You will need an amplifier if you want to split the signal 3 ways. No big deal there.

I recommend and install this antenna (and use 2 of them myself) http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=U4000&d=Antennacraft-U4000-UHFHD-4-Bay-Bowtie-TV-Antenna-%28U4000%29&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=716079002110 with great success.

I also use a VHF only antenna for CH9 & 12. Though 9 is supposed to be changing to UHF sometime this summer I guess and the U-4000 will easily p/u CH12. CH9 comes in but can be flaky sometimes, hence why I use http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=y5-7-13&d=AntennaCraft-Y5713-HighbandBroadband-VHF-HD-YagiTV-Antenna-for-Channels-713-%28Y5713%29&sku=716079000987&mc=03 as well. I have a total of 44 available channels OTA with this setup. Also I get great FM reception as well.

Splicer010 - Thanks for the reply! I live in Micheal's Farm right there at 22 & 48. I have a walkout basement, which means the top of my roof is probably about 30' from the backyard, but the front is probably more like 20'.

So, it sounds like I'd need:

UHF antenna pointed at Cinci
UHF Antenna pointed at Dayton
VHF antenna pointed at Cinci (maybe?)
Amplifier
3-way splitter


Do I need to buy anything to combine the signals from the three antennas into a single output?

I connect the 2 UHF antennas together using a jumper and a balun; then I take the single UHF out and Single VHF out and use this UVSJ http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=uvsj&d=Pico-Macom-UVSJ-UHF-VHF-Band-SeparatorCombiner-forAntenna-%28UVSJ%29&sku=UVSJ&mc=03 to join the 2 leads and have 1 output.

Ideally you would put the antenna on the roof. I know where you live and you may/may not be hassled about it. But it would be best. I would suggest you keep the antennas separated in different locations for each in the attic as there is no feasible way to mount them all on one mast in an attic without compromising reception. Try to keep the UHF antennas within 3 feet of each other (no closer/further).

^ Good info, as usual. I would just add that running two feed lines and using A-B switch at each television (could run just one feed line to less important TVs) would likely give more reliable results, as combining signals from different antennas like that can yield unpredictable results. It might work fine, but it also might work fine when you set it up and then when the seasons change start to cause drop-outs or other problems. The less clean signal that is due to the combining may also put more reliance on having good ATSC tuners in your TV equipment (as there is a large variance in the ability of these tuners to filter out "noise" and other interference).

Also, when you place the two antennas near each other, they will become "part" of each other, whether they are physically connected or not. In fact any metal in the roof, etc. will also become "part" of your antenna and affect it in some way. As Splicer mentioned, getting it outside the walls and on the roof would be much preferred (and despite what they might say, there is NOTHING that ANY HOA can do about you putting up a TV antenna (or two)).

Excellent reception NOW in northern Hamilton County....

http://abc.daytonsnewssource.com/sections/community/power_increase/

This is kind of a stumper to me. When I do my channel analysis on Antennaweb and TVFool, ABC 22 shows up as a Yellow zone channel. However, this is currently the only Cinci / Dayton channel that I can't get at all with my little RCA antenna. My TVs won't even register it when they scan.

Excellent reception NOW in northern Hamilton County....

http://abc.daytonsnewssource.com/sections/community/power_increase/

My CH22 reception has neither improved not gotten worse. Still mediocre.

This is kind of a stumper to me. When I do my channel analysis on Antennaweb and TVFool, ABC 22 shows up as a Yellow zone channel. However, this is currently the only Cinci / Dayton channel that I can't get at all with my little RCA antenna. My TVs won't even register it when they scan.

You are correct - that makes no sense whatsoever (based on your location).

1.) ABC 22 (with quadruple power now) broadcasts on the same tower as Fox 45 and CW 26. So, directionally, if you can receive those stations you should absolutely be able to get the improved ABC 22 signal.

2.) Since the power increase only happened yesterday (02/16/10) many websites such as TV Fool have not updated their databases.

3.) I would call the station engineer (he's a nice guy) and ask him if he has any insight into your unusual technical problem.

Good luck

My CH22 reception has neither improved not gotten worse. Still mediocre.

OK, things that make you go hmmmm.

Maybe our "resident expert" NiteWatchman (Jeff) has some insight?

My CH22 reception has neither improved not gotten worse. Still mediocre.

Where are you located?

My ABC 22 signal meter went from 80% to 96% here in Sharonville with an attic-mount antenna + amplifier (http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=C4&d=Antennas-Direct-C4-ClearStream4-Outdoor-Digital-HD-TV-Antenna-%28C4%29)

It really isn't a big deal as I so seldom watch 22 anyway. Only if CH9 has something on specific like the Cinti Mayor debate, which was the last time I used CH22. I was just commenting that the reception here hasn't improved any that I noticed. CH26 comes in better and CH45 comes in the best out of the 3.

1.) ABC 22 (with quadruple power now)...

According to the video (I have it paused at 25 seconds), it "quadrupled" from "120 kHz" to "515 kHz". :D

According to the video (I have it paused at 25 seconds), it "quadrupled" from "120 kHz" to "515 kHz". :D

The increase is in kilowatts not khz.
From the video that is the old channel 45 analog transmitter.

I've been using my President's Day holiday to research Antenna setups for pulling in OTA HD. Unfortunately, a lot of it is going over my head. i was hoping one of you guys might be able to give me some hardware advice.

Here's what I'm looking for:

1st priority is to reliably pick up all of the Cinci networks
I'd ideally like to be able to run the signal to multiple points in my house (2-3)
I'd prefer to keep the antenna in the attic
Dayton channels would be a nice-to-have


A link to my TV Fool signal analysis is included in my signature.

Thanks!

I have a similar looking map, except and am southwest of Dayton and northwest of Cincinnati. I have a DB8 pointing southeast to Cinci. I have a DB4 pointed northeast to Dayton. The two go into a signal combiner, which goes to a signal amp, when then goes to my TV. I have every channel offered in Dayton and Cincinnati except WKET (Channel 54 PBS). Their signal is just too weak to get past my local hills.

I don't have a VHF antenna as the DB8 is sufficient to pick up the Hi-VHF frequency of Channel 9 and 12. All of the other channels are broadcast on UHF, even if the channel number appears to be 2, 5 or 7. (that whole virtual channel number thing)

For multiple TVs, you then need a powered distributor.

1.) ABC 22 (with quadruple power now) Just want to clarify that "quadruple power" does not mean quadruple coverage... But, yes it should definitely be noticeable.

Just want to clarify that "quadruple power" does not mean quadruple coverage... But, yes it should definitely be noticeable.

Yes, as usual, you are correct.
BTW: Those were not my words - just repeated what was on the WKEF website.

Most of us - with even a little technical expertise - understand the difference. Quadruple coverage would have probably put them past Lexington to the south and Canada to the north? - nice!

Thanks :)

I posted a few days ago asking for antenna advice, and thought I'd loop back and let folks know how it went. Of course, I didn't actually follow the advice that I was given :), but everything worked out well. I put a Winegard HD 7696P in my attic and pointed it at Cincinnati. I think that I'm now able to pick up ALL of the Cincinnati, Dayton, & NKY channels. The only one that doesn't come in at 100% (according to my samsung LCD) is channel 25, but its still seems strong enough to watch reliably.

I couldn't be happier with how everything has turned out. Now, I just have to get rid of the 50' coax cable running from my attic to my living room :)

Here's what I get with my current setup:
2, 5, 7, 9, 12, 14, 16, 19, 22, 25, 26, 43, 45, 48, 54, 64

My only advice to anyone else is that, while not a huge antenna, the 7696 was almost too big to work in my attic. Anything bigger definitely would have been a challenge to get set up.

Just a mistake that you didn't put CH64 down?

Cool, glad it all is working out for you. 44 channels for FREE is a pretty good deal isn't it...and it makes it even sweeter that you did it yourself. :cool:

Just a mistake that you didn't put CH64 down?

Cool, glad it all is working out for you. 44 channels for FREE is a pretty good deal isn't it...and it makes it even sweeter that you did it yourself. :cool:

FREE + the BEST picture quality available - bar none. OTA rules!

Does anyone know if there are plans for either the Cinci or Dayton NBC stations to start broadcasting Universal Sports? I see that it's available in Indianapolis, but not Cincinnati.

http://www.universalsports.com/

Does anyone know if there are plans for either the Cinci or Dayton NBC stations to start broadcasting Universal Sports? I see that it's available in Indianapolis, but not Cincinnati.

http://www.universalsports.com/No plans... at least that are public. Universal Sports is usually broadcast as a subchannel on NBC affiliates. However, the pairing of a bandwidth-demanding high motion sports channel with a 1080i HD channel does not work well at all. 1080i really should have NO subchannels but what WLWT has actually works quite well - the WeatherPlus sub is fairly static (very little motion) and they keep it under 2Mbps and it still looks good. WKRC's 1080i CBS HD suffers a good deal from the stat muxing they do in order to give the 12-2 any sort of quality. WCPO broadcasting at 720p for ABC HD probably would have a great looking weather channel if they had a better upconverter...

Bottom line is, while I would love the content from the Universal Sports Channel, I don't want WLWT or WDTN to pick it up because it would mean a loss of quality for NBC HD.

I'd personally like to thank nbc for not showing the Canada vs. USA hockey game until it was over. Total BS. Thanks for showing us the russia/chek game earlier and ice dancing (taped probably) during the USA game. Very nice of them. I'm sure they just wanted to help out their cable channels, but come on. The major networks and their sports coverage (besides nfl) just drives me crazy. (actually the nfl is apparently trying to do the same injustice) I guess I never get to see any curling either. Once again, thanks for nothing NBC. (and now back to the russians dancing as Aboriginals)

It wasn't even on in HD on DirecTV. The same company that promised an "All-HD Olympics", and then quietly swept that promise under the rug when it became clear that the most anticipated event of the games would not be shown in HD. At least we got to see it live, but when you pay three digits a month for TV it should live up to what's advertised.

Woke up Saturday morning to find WLWT 5-1 gone from the Insight Cable QAM. 5-2 is still there, along with all of the other local HD channels.

Spoke to a rep today who said I was the second call he had taken about it. Hoping they didn't know it was gone and we made them aware.

I know they don't have to provide clear channels in the QAM, but it sure is nice. I'm not interested in paying them an additional $15/month so I can see local HD in my bedroom.

If anyone else is Insight, please call them and tell them to make it right. 859-431-0300 followed by about 30 menu prompts:mad:

I just wanted you to know that I have purchased the above antenna and have started out with this mounted in my unfinished attic space (due to the wife:o) and I couldn't be happier!:)

I dropped off the TWC box yesterday & TWC was over today to shut her down at the pole...

Thanks again to Splicer and all of the other members here for their help.:cool:

Thanks for the update. Glad to have been of some assistance and that everything is working out the way you wanted it to.:)

I just received my new TWC bill and it has gone down in HALF by dropping cable service.:eek: I had the all in one package (cable/RR/phone) and now I have just RR + phone...$148/month is now $74/month...

The OTA picture is so much better than the TWC picture. I really want to thank all of the people who post on this thread...it was the push I needed to make the change!:)

I'm ready to cut the cord on Time Warner and switch to OTA, and I'm hoping I could get some antenna advice. Our house is in Oakley, and I'd like to put an antenna in our finished attic (2 story house + attic). Since it is finished, I'm not sure my wife would go for one of the smaller outdoor antennas, just from an aesthetic stand point. I had heard good things about the Winegard SS-3000, would it work well for my application? Here's a link to my TV Fool analysis: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d27ee987e18c146

Secondly, I have an existing co-ax run from the attic down to our 1st floor living room that I plan to use. Am I correct in thinking that I might need a distribution amplifier, and that one of those would be the correct application? Or do I need an antenna with a built in amplifier?

I would give the Winegard a shot before you get an amp. It probably will be a good choice for an indoor antenna.

Our house is in Oakley...

I'm not too far away from you.

The Cincinnati stations are much too strong for you to use an amplifier (both pre-amp and distribution), even indoors. I don't know if the Winegard SS 3000's amplifier will overload your signals. Since you're planning on putting it in your attic, multipath will be an issue anyway (for at least WCPO and WKRC). If you have a set top antenna (rabbit ears and a loop), I'd try that in your attic first and see how it works. (If it's an amplified set top antenna, turn the amplification off.) The true test will be for your weaker "green" and stronger "yellow" stations, namely WOTH, WCVN, and WKOI.

For a compact attic antenna, I'd recommend an Antennas Direct Clearstream 4 or an eight-bay like the Antennas Direct DB8 or the Channel Master 4228HD. You may be able to pick up most (if not all) of the Dayton stations as well with those if they're pointing north, so you may also have to invest in an antenna rotor too.

It is a finished attic that they use. ;)

I'm not too far away from you.

The Cincinnati stations are much too strong for you to use an amplifier (both pre-amp and distribution), even indoors. I don't know if the Winegard SS 3000's amplifier will overload your signals. Since you're planning on putting it in your attic, multipath will be an issue anyway (for at least WCPO and WKRC). If you have a set top antenna (rabbit ears and a loop), I'd try that in your attic first and see how it works. (If it's an amplified set top antenna, turn the amplification off.) The true test will be for your weaker "green" and stronger "yellow" stations, namely WOTH, WCVN, and WKOI.

For a compact attic antenna, I'd recommend an Antennas Direct Clearstream 4 or an eight-bay like the Antennas Direct DB8 or the Channel Master 4228HD. You may be able to pick up most (if not all) of the Dayton stations as well with those if they're pointing north, so you may also have to invest in an antenna rotor too.

Yes! I have the Antennas Direct Clearstream 4 (attic-mounted) and it works great. From Sharonville, I get all of the Cincinnati & Dayton stations.

Yeah, I don't think my wife is going to go for that Clearstream 4 in the middle of our guest bedroom. I think I'll start with a small indoor antenna or the Winegard, and see how things go from there.

Hey, just turned on NBC 5.1 and USA is playing hockey. Don't know if its live, and don't care because I'm going to watch it...unless they change it up and put on ice dancing. I really wonder if they will show the whole game.

Crying about sports coverage? Haven't had this issue in this thread for a long time...

I just can't wait for the men's NCAA tourney to see if CBS can out do themselves again. I get stressed out just thinking about how painful those goofballs can make it on college basketball fans.

Yeah, I don't think my wife is going to go for that Clearstream 4 in the middle of our guest bedroom. I think I'll start with a small indoor antenna or the Winegard, and see how things go from there.

It sounds like you may have to put something on the roof eventually. If so, the attic will be a good test run. :) Good luck!

Yeah, I don't think my wife is going to go for that Clearstream 4 in the middle of our guest bedroom. I think I'll start with a small indoor antenna or the Winegard, and see how things go from there.

Of course. I thought you meant to use the attic space in your home for an indoor antenna (like I do). That's why I recommended the CS4.

I have it on a pole and mounted as high as it can be to the inside roof line. I have the coax run down from the attic to the family room via utility room. Neat and does the trick.

As you know, the higher you can get the indoor antenna, the better your chances of getting more signals farther away (Dayton?)

However, since your attic is "finished" and used as a guest bedroom the option is probably moot.

:)

According to a recent application (https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101357338&formid=346&fac_num=68075), W36DG will implement their digital transmitter on the WLWT tower in downtown Cincinnati instead of where their analog transmitter is currently located (around the WSTR "Star Tower", I believe). This is a smart move to co-locate and broadcast right next to RF channels 34 and 35 in order to minimize interference.

Anybody going to the car show this weekend? I think I'll go early Saturday before the crowds. I copied some hours info from the duke energy center page:
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Thursday, February 25 11:00 AM to 9:30 PM
Friday, February 26 11:00 AM to 9:30 PM
Saturday, February 27 10:00 AM to 9:30 PM
Sunday, February 28 11:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Adults $10
Children (13 and under) FREE Thursday and Friday
(Children are free when accompanied by a paying adult)
Children (13 and under) $2 Saturday and Sunday
Discounts...
2 for 1 Matinees
Thursday, Feb. 25 & Friday, Feb. 26
11 am - 6 pm
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Buy your tickets at Kroger and save $3 off your ticket price. I usually find a metered parking spot or free parking spot close by, within 2 or 3 blocks. Its not the greatest thing in the world, but I go every year.

According to a recent application (https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101357338&formid=346&fac_num=68075), W36DG will implement their digital transmitter on the WLWT tower in downtown Cincinnati instead of where their analog transmitter is currently located (around the WSTR "Star Tower", I believe). This is a smart move to co-locate and broadcast right next to RF channels 34 and 35 in order to minimize interference.

Looks like they will now be affiliated with the Daystar religious network. Also, looks like they will be broadcasting at maximum power for LD stations and will cover the immediate metro area very well.

Wonder when they will fire this thing up?

Soon. Daystar's been flash-cutting like mad. Phoenix and Atlantic City have both come up within the last week. DC is coming very soon. They've received TSIDs for a bunch of others so I suspect the whole Daystar LPTV network will be converted sooner rather than later.

- Trip

38 is back on analog.

38 is back on analog.

I can confirm that. It's just a simulcast of "WKRP" on WOTH 25.2. I wonder why they brought it back? :confused:

A station can only stay off the air for 360 days before risking loss of license.

- Trip

A station can only stay off the air for 360 days before risking loss of license.

That makes sense. WBQC went off the air in... July of 2009 or thereabouts?

Why doesn't WKRC preempt its 12-1 programming in order to show the Cincinnati game in HD? I guess I will be watching on MASN-HD in order to see the game in high def.

Ok so I'm signing up to have dish network come out and hook up a dish. Is there anything I should know in advance? Any particular receivers to ask for?

I'm getting 2 HDTVs connected and one of those will be SD only for the satellite I'm getting a DVR included. I already have OTA ran to both of those tv's and am pulling in a decent signal. I also have a media center tv hooked up that will do most of the OTA recording.

I recommend you go to http://www.monoprice.com and order what you need to send the HD output to the second TV as well. You can get a powered splitter for the HDMI output and send HDMI to both TVs, or you can use both the component and HDMI outputs and send one to one TV and the other to the other TV. Obviously can only watch one HD satellite channel at a time, but I find it very handy to sometimes watch the DVR in the living room (for example) and at other times to watch it in the bedroom (for example).

hey Splicer, thanks for the referral of the antennacraft u4000 antenna from solidsignal.com. I bought one last fall and ch.9 chief chief enginner also bought some. this antenna blew us both away. one of ch.9 engineers field tested this antenna last fall in falmouth ky (25-30 mi. south of their transmitter). this uhf antenna decoded vhf ch.9 (10)and vhf ch.12 (12) with no problem plus it was receiving all dayton stations (except wbdt ch.26) 70+ miles away. Works great at my home in sharonville also. Ch.9 even replaced their old antenna at their studio and replaced it with the u4000 and its pulling in all cincinnati stations without moving the rotor.

Glad to be of some assistance. The U4000 is one of those 'best kept secrets' out there I feel. That is really interesting about CH 9 too. If I can be of any more help, just let me know. Being out of work, I enjoy being able to help.

Check out my thread. I went to the Kenwood sonystyle store.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1232945

Nice. I think maybe I might take a ride with my daughter tomorrow. ;)

That makes sense. WBQC went off the air in... July of 2009 or thereabouts?

Ch 38 is off the air again. It didn't last long.

Ch 38 is off the air again. It didn't last long.

It's still on for me.

Hey, there's a commercial for an old TV on 25-5! It doesn't appear to be a simulcast of anything on 25-1 through 25-4 though.

Update: It looks like they're running retro commercials. I even saw an old one for Kroger! I even saw a possibly new station logo for WOTH. It looked pretty neat! :D

Update 2: It looks like they're running old commercials on a loop. Hopefully that means that there will be a full-fledged channel there soon. Until then, enjoy the retromercials!

They're stunting now. I guess that's why they were off the air this afternoon then.

It's still on for me.

Hey, there's a commercial for an old TV on 25-5! It doesn't appear to be a simulcast of anything on 25-1 through 25-4 though.

Update: It looks like they're running retro commercials. I even saw an old one for Kroger! I even saw a possibly new station logo for WOTH. It looked pretty neat! :D

Update 2: It looks like they're running old commercials on a loop. Hopefully that means that there will be a full-fledged channel there soon. Until then, enjoy the retromercials!

Same commercials as of 2:01AM

Agree.
The "updated" logo for WOTH 25 is cool and very much enjoying the "retro" commercials - both national and local.
Way to go Elliot & Matt!!!!!!!! The anticipation continues :D

Just switched to 25-5 while channel surfing. These old commercials are a real hoot! The logo is excellent too. Every bit as good as the big boys logos, and actually better in a couple of cases in my opinion.

These old commercials are a real hoot!

Why do I have these strong urges to buy a 1959 Chevrolet Impala? ;)

I currently have BASIC cable through Time Warner / CIncinnati, with only about 25 channels. I don't have Digital boxes or digital service per se, but I did buy a Samsung cable box and connected it directly to the Coax Cable wall jack.

I receive all the 25 channels no problem, and many of them in full High Def 1080 (NBC, for example)

I would like to prepare for 2010 FIFA Worldcup, and these games will be televised through a combination of ABC and ESPN. I currently receive ABC no problem, and I believe in 720 or 1080.

My cable provider is able to expand my service and give me ESPN for 2 months, without going digital. (I don't want the extra digital boxes etc... too much trouble... )

Question: If I expand my service, will I be able to watch ESPN in HD in the same way that NBC and other channels are currently providing HD content? Or does this absolutely require Digital subscription through Time Warner?

I currently have BASIC cable through Time Warner / CIncinnati, with only about 25 channels. I don't have Digital boxes or digital service per se, but I did buy a Samsung cable box and connected it directly to the Coax Cable wall jack.

I receive all the 25 channels no problem, and many of them in full High Def 1080 (NBC, for example)Just to nitpick, 1080i and 720p are both High Def, and in some cases 720p is more desirable. Also, those channels that you are getting in HD currently are also available for free with an antenna. Just letting you know. :)

I would like to prepare for 2010 FIFA Worldcup, and these games will be televised through a combination of ABC and ESPN. I currently receive ABC no problem, and I believe in 720 or 1080.ABC and ESPN broadcast in 720p

My cable provider is able to expand my service and give me ESPN for 2 months, without going digital. (I don't want the extra digital boxes etc... too much trouble... )

Question: If I expand my service, will I be able to watch ESPN in HD in the same way that NBC and other channels are currently providing HD content? Or does this absolutely require Digital subscription through Time Warner?Time Warner will not give you ESPN HD without their equipment. You would be getting ESPN standard def only.

Thanks you sir.

What's the reason that TW will provide HD over basic cable/coax for abc/NBC and others, while not ESPN etc...?


ABC and ESPN broadcast in 720p

Time Warner will not give you ESPN HD without their equipment. You would be getting ESPN standard def only.

Time Warner will not give you ESPN HD without their equipment. You would be getting ESPN standard def only.

Its available with a cablecard, meaning that the customer can use his or her own equipment.

Its available with a cablecard, meaning that the customer can use his or her own equipment.

And you have to rent the Cablecard from ???

Elliott Block of Ch. 25 says new channel coming next week. Retro ads just a teaser. Article here: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/2010/03/09/channel-25-adding-fifth-digital-subchannel/

Thanks you sir.

What's the reason that TW will provide HD over basic cable/coax for abc/NBC and others, while not ESPN etc...?They are required by FCC regulations to provide local broadcast nets "in the clear" (unencrypted) via QAM (Quadrature Amplitude Modulation if you were wondering) so that any TV or set top box with a QAM tuner can receive these channels (like a cable-ready TV would do before all this digital stuff started). Often they include a few other "basic" channels unencrypted as well. The cable company encrypts any channels they charge more for, so that you can't get them without paying. In order to decrypt the channels, you need to rent the cable company's set top box or a cablecard to put in your own device.

Its available with a cablecard, meaning that the customer can use his or her own equipment.See below :)

And you have to rent the Cablecard from ???Exactly :)

Thank you Jimp, very clear response.

So, TWC is only able to provide service for those additional HiDef channels over DIGITAL ? Too bad.

So if I switch to Digital for 1 month during FIFA Soccer World Cup, will I be able to switch back to regular basic cable (non-digital)?

Thank you Jimp, very clear response.

So, TWC is only able to provide service for those additional HiDef channels over DIGITAL ? Too bad.Well, technically those unencrypted "in the clear" QAM channels are digital as well, but I think you're referring to a service distinction, so yes, although it's not that they aren't "able" to, it's that they don't want to from a profit standpoint.

So if I switch to Digital for 1 month during FIFA Soccer World Cup, will I be able to switch back to regular basic cable (non-digital)?Yes but more than likely they will try to get you tied into a cheap price for 6 or 12 months in order to entice you not to drop back down to basic.

STAR 64 has been testing 64.2 I see 33.2 which will eventually map to 64.2 on my tv with no broadcasting now. I guess over night they were testing 64.2.

Interesting. Keep an eye on it for us, will you? :)

STAR 64 has been testing 64.2 I see 33.2 which will eventually map to 64.2 on my tv with no broadcasting now. I guess over night they were testing 64.2.I think this was already mentioned, but here is the link to what will almost certainly be on 64.2: http://www.thecooltv.com/THECOOLTV_SinclairTelevisionGroup.php

Is anyone else having reception problems with channel 19. My signal strenth is all over the map 29-52% (both at my parents and my house in sharonville) while channel 14 on the same tower is 90%. I had to watch fox 45 dayton for the last 2 nights because of the constant breakups.

Is anyone else having reception problems with channel 19. My signal strenth is all over the map 29-52% (both at my parents and my house in sharonville) while channel 14 on the same tower is 90%. I had to watch fox 45 dayton for the last 2 nights because of the constant breakups.

Checking briefly just now and it seems OK

Checking briefly just now and it seems OK

Just checked mine and I have 96% Peak with fluctuations between 93-96 on WXIX. No problems here other than no audio on WHIO 7-1. However 7-2 is perfect audio. Both have a signal of 94%.:confused:

Hey all,

Channels 9.1 and 9.2 have basically been gone for the last 2 days. I watched Sunday night with no problems but last night and most of today it has been gone. Where did it go? Could it be the think cloud cover?

I've had problems with 9 too. I've also had some problems with 19. 16 is not coming in anymore either. Skies will be clear Thursday (Sunny forecast) we'll find out then if it's cloud related.
14 is coming in fine, and they're on the same tower as 19.

I've had problems with 9 too. I've also had some problems with 19. 16 is not coming in anymore either. Skies will be clear Thursday (Sunny forecast) we'll find out then if it's cloud related.
14 is coming in fine, and they're on the same tower as 19.

sure, I figure it is cloud coverage, but LOST is on NOW!

ive talked to numerous people who are having problems with 9. Here at my house (sharonville) the signal strenth is 70 while last week it was 94.

I am not getting channel 9.1 or 9.2 and I am missing Lost. Hopefully whatever it is, is either fixed or explained so I can catch the replay next week. I have checked my other channels and they are fine. I get 19 no problem. Any ideas?

c/s on Channel 9. I know my mom has a good signal she's stays downtown but for me on the west side no signal. I rescan my channels to make sure I wasn't going crazy.

CH9 has had no problems here for me. Watched the beginning of LOST on CH9-1. Wife watched her soaps on 9-1. I am having issues with CH7-1, and not the sound. The sound issue is when using the TV ATSC tuner. I hooked my LG LST-3510a back up and now I have horrible reception strength, if I can even get any reception. Will look into it later, I'm thinking I might have gotten some water in the system somehow, but I have no problems with any other channels so I doubt thats it.

I live in Westwood and still do not get channel 9.1 or 9.2. I thought this would be a problem for all of Cincinnati....wonder why the west side is having trouble? Is there anyone to contact to ask questions about this?

Hey Jimp (I think it was you) -

RE: NCAA Tourney...
Last year, you posted a list of (or a link to) Channel 12 and Channel 7 and what NCAA games they would carry as their "main", and then games that were "swing". Is that around for this year?

Wondering what games we will see from Cincy and Dayton stations.... :)

CH 9 will be switching to VHF sometime this year. Maybe they switched to a different antenna or antenna position so they could install their new VHF antenna in their "prime" location on the tower.

CH 9 will be switching to VHF sometime this year. Maybe they switched to a different antenna or antenna position so they could install their new VHF antenna in their "prime" location on the tower.


Make that UHF on Ch22

Tuesday Opening Round Game

Arkansas Pine Bluff vs. Winthrop (ESPN-HD)

Thursday games
12:20 p.m. – Old Dominion vs Notre Dame (WKRC, WHIO, WBNS)
Florida vs BYU (WRKC-CW)

2:45 p.m .- North Texas vs Kansas St (WKRC)
St. Mary's vs. Richmond (WHIO)
Murray St. vs. Vanderbilt (WKRC-CW, WBNS)

4:45 p.m. - UTEP vs. Butler (CBS College Sports)

7:15 p.m. - East Tenn St. vs Kentucky (WKRC)
7:25 p.m. - Ohio vs Georgetown (WHIO, WRKC-CW, WBNS)

9:30 p.m. - Lehigh vs. Kansas (WKRC)
9:30 p.m. - Wake Forest vs. Texas (WBNS)
9:45 p.m. - San Diego State vs. Tenn (WHIO)

Friday Games

12:25 p.m. Minnesota vs Xavier (WKRC, WHIO, WBNS)

12:30 p.m. Cornell vs Temple (WKRC-CW)

2:30 p.m. Siena vs Purdue (WKRC, WHIO, WBNS)

2:45 p.m. Oakland vs Pittsburgh (WKRC-CW)

4:45 p.m. Utah State vs. Texas A&M (CBS COLLEGE SPORTS)

7:20 p.m. New Mexico St vs Mich St (WKRC, WHIO, WBNS)

9:35 p.m. UC San Barb vs OSU (WKRC, WHIO, WBNS)

9:45 p.m. Louisville vs California (WKRC-CW)

I purchased the same antenna and I had a lot of trouble getting channel 9 and 12. I am also using Windows Media Center in Windows 7. I live in Westwood not far from Boudinot and Werk. It seems like I could get channel 12 with the antenna unpowered and then get channel 9 with it powered (or maybe I have that backwards) and I tried inside and outside, on the roof, on the ground, in the attic, on the first floor, etc. Same results. I then switched to a $10 Philips indoor antenna (the rabbit ear looking ones) and it has been perfect. I am not technical and I am certainly no expert as I just started all this a few months ago but (and someone from here can correct me) from some of the reading I have done we may be *too* close to the signals and the HDA-5700 is picking up the signals too strong and not able to separate them. Anyway, all I know is that my unpowered Philips (I can get the model if you need, but it is just a Target purchase) works to send signal to my two USB tuners in my home theater PC.


I have a question about my antenna I purchased at monoprice.com. It is an HDA-5700. I am *very* new at the over the air thing so please go easy on me. So far (the 2 days I have had a chance to mess with it) I am very pleased with the channels I get. I did not get CBS initially (I am using Media Center in Windows 7 to scan) but I manually added 12.1 and I get it at a high signal. My only problem is that I cannot get ABC (channel 9.1) at all. This is a VHF channel while all the others I get are UHF. The antenna I have --I tried linking to it but I cannot put URLs in yet, but it is the only indoor/outdoor antenna on the monoprice.com site -- says it is for VHF and UHF. I live in Westwood, Ohio. So far I am just using the antenna in a second story window on the inside. I have no problems mounting this somewhere outside if necessary. My questions are these:

1) Does anyone think I can get this VHF 9.1 channel using the antenna I have?
2) If not, would the Terk HDTVi or HDTVa get me this last channel I need?

I appreciate all the help that avsforum has given me over the years and this is the first time I have posted. If any more information is needed, please let me know.

Skylab - thanks. Where did you find that list, so that I can look it up myself and not bother anyone?

I feel like last year there was a page that kept listings of the local channels and what would be covered. Either a CBS or an NCAA page... where you could put in your location and it would spit out the list?

It isn't that the antenna can't seperate the signals, but rather the antenna has too much gain and is overdriving the HTPC tuner. Well, as long as you got it to work, and work well, you should be good to go. I'm still trying to figure out why I can't get the audio on 7-1 but get audio on 7-2.

I thought 25.5 was going to debut this week with the new channel. Did they end up pushing it back? They are still stunting with the old commercials.

Does WKRC-DT CBS do DD5.1?

Also, what is the deal with Cincinnati Bell? Are they part of AT&T, and is their TV service U-verse, or is it something different?

WKRC does not do 5.1 only 2.0. Cincinnati Bell is rolling out it's own version of FIOS called Fioptics, and I do not believe they have any ties to AT&T U-verse.

WKRC does not do 5.1 only 2.0. Cincinnati Bell is rolling out it's own version of FIOS called Fioptics, and I do not believe they have any ties to AT&T U-verse.

Thanks for the quick reply. This is coming back to me now, is it still correct that the Dayton CBS WHIO station does have 5.1?

I thought 25.5 was going to debut this week with the new channel. Did they end up pushing it back? They are still stunting with the old commercials.

I guess we'll keep waiting for a little while longer.

In related news, WBQC-CA analog 38 is off the air again. (Hopefully for good!)

Thanks for the quick reply. This is coming back to me now, is it still correct that the Dayton CBS WHIO station does have 5.1?

Yes, that's correct.

Cinti Bell has no affiliation with ATT anything. They are their own company and are publicly traded.

WKRC is 2.0 DD

WHIO is 5.1 DD

Moving here Ken?

Tonight the CW has the Ohio U game in SD but switching to WHIO I am getting it in HD

Tonight the CW has the Ohio U game in SD but switching to WHIO I am getting it in HD

WHIO left the Ohio U game and I am now stuck with Cinci CW in SD

I think for cell phone coverage/towers, that in the past, cincinnati bell and at&t had some type of system setup where they shared towers or something. I assume they are still working together. I can't say for sure though. But I believe that is still the case with their cellphone towers. IDK.

pj,

No problem. I compiled the list from the respective web sites for each station.

In the past, WKRC has provided a document outlining their coverage, which includes if they are constant, swing, or flex for the game. I have not been able to find the document this year.

Why is WKRC airing the Murray State game on both 12.1 and 12.2? That is just plain stupid. They advertised the Ohio U game in 12,1. Must be the weekend fill-on workers on duty.

Well, today is the first day I have been able to watch any b-ball. It's nice being able to flip to the other game during commercials and stoppages. That's more like it. Now give us more HD.

Well, today is the first day I have been able to watch any b-ball. It's nice being able to flip to the other game during commercials and stoppages. That's more like it. Now give us more HD.

Well, let's hope OTA continues for the near future. The National Broadband plan may significantly cut the number of OTA channels. Doesn't look good for OTA, HD in particular if stations are forced to share subchannels or go to Internet/Cable only. Best case would be if they opt for the whitespace solution, but I think it will be worse than that. I read that some of the income from the frequency sale will be given to those displaced to make up for the loss.

If they merge the Dayton Cincinnati DMAs it will certainly require the loss of some stations if they limit each DMA to six adjacent channels, as one article suggests. The government wants to give 500 Mhz total and 300Mhz bandwidth within 5 years, so OTA as we know it is on life support.

^?^?
Huh? I am not informed. Are you saying free tv could be going away? I thought one of the main reasons to go "digital", or whatever, was to offer more channels for free. I thought it would only get better, by adding more channels than there is currently. I am confused.

^?^?
Huh? I am not informed. Are you saying free tv could be going away? I thought one of the main reasons to go "digital", or whatever, was to offer more channels for free. I thought it would only get better, by adding more channels than there is currently. I am confused.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/191666/fcc_officially_releases_national_broadband_plan.html

There are seveal intrepretations of what the FCC wants to do. The stated need for 500 Mhz spectrum by 2020 means that they will likely go after the OTA spectrum again and again. Right now, they want 120Mhz more of TV UHF spectrum (with a stated desire to obtain 300 Mhz in five years, but doesn't state where that is to come from). So right now, the upper limit is ch 51. So 120Mhz = another 20 channels, so upper limit, this time will be channel 31. Anyone above ch 31 will have to go away or move or stations will have to reduce power so frequencies can be reused. For example, in Dayton, WHIO, WDTN and WKEF (ch 41, 50, 51) will have to move to an available channel or go away. If they move frequencies (I doubt they will be available), they have new transmitter costs. If they go away, what value will they have on the market, especially after investing $$$ for the digital transition?

The owners of multiple stations in the Dayton-Cincinnati market might have the option of putting multiple stations that they own on subchannels on a single channel to be able to continue service. This would be the end of HD on those channels.

This will eventually mean the end of the TV networks if they lose viewers as they are barely profitable now, if at all. At best, they become another cable channel. Do you think CBS or ABC will maintain network news (NBC and FOX already have 24/7 new channels) if they become another cable channel? Think this might bias the news against the administration if they are going to lose their jobs because of the administration?

tom tally ch.9 chief engineer told me last month antenna installaton for channel 22 is scheduled for late 3rd qtr (august /september).

Ch 25-5 was off the air at about 4:30 PM today. After 5 PM I was flipping through the channels & noticed they are on again. Now instead of "Skyline" as their ID they have "A1". They've been showing some fishing shows. I guess the channel is what I found at this link.
http://www.americaone.com/

Here's the new lineup on WOTH-LD 25:


25.1 - WKRP-TV (moved from 25.2) - local and syndicated programming.
25.2 - (NBC) Universal Sports (with the new channel 25 logo as a bug)
25.3 - RTV (same as before)
25.4 - Jewelry TV (same as before)
25.5 - America One Sports (moved from 25.1)


Great job for scoring another big win (Universal Sports) for Cincinnati! :D

P.S. Interesting... the title for 25.2 is "WBQC-LD". Is that a typo or omen of things to come? ;)

Would have been a big boost for 25 if the had Universal Sports for the Olympics instead of debuting it now.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/191666/fcc_officially_releases_national_broadband_plan.html

There are seveal intrepretations of what the FCC wants to do. The stated need for 500 Mhz spectrum by 2020 means that they will likely go after the OTA spectrum again and again. Right now, they want 120Mhz more of TV UHF spectrum (with a stated desire to obtain 300 Mhz in five years, but doesn't state where that is to come from). So right now, the upper limit is ch 51. So 120Mhz = another 20 channels, so upper limit, this time will be channel 31.
Actually the upper limit would be channel 30 because Channel 37 (reserved for radio astronomy by treaty) can't be included in the 120 MHz. As for 2015 the stated desire is for at least channels 45-51 as well as additional non-TV frequencies currently assigned to federal agencies. At least you don't have any land mobile (yet) on channels 14-20 in the Cincy and Dayton areas. IMHO it would make more sense to share 14-20 with the cell phone companies than auctioning off seven higher UHF TV channels.

Here's the new lineup on WOTH-LD 25:


25.1 - WKRP-TV (moved from 25.2) - local and syndicated programming.
25.2 - (NBC) Universal Sports (with the new channel 25 logo as a bug)
25.3 - RTV (same as before)
25.4 - Jewelry TV (same as before)
25.5 - America One Sports (moved from 25.1)


Great job for scoring another big win (Universal Sports) for Cincinnati! :D

P.S. Interesting... the title for 25.2 is "WBQC-LD". Is that a typo or omen of things to come? ;)

Thorax

Thanks for the update.

Thorax

Thanks for the update.

Sorry guys, WOTH 25.5 is not Universal Sports Network. It's the A1 Network.
Both two entirely different services. Note: USN is the more professional of the two and is owned by NBC/Universal.

Sorry guys, WOTH 25.5 is not Universal Sports Network. It's the A1 Network.
Both two entirely different services. Note: USN is the more professional of the two and is owned by NBC/Universal.

But it looks like America One is still trying to brand itself as "mostly sports plus some syndication", at least from their web site (http://www.americaone.com/).

I for one am extremely happy to finally get Universal Sports, especially since we didn't have to sacrifice HD bandwidth on WLWT to do it!

And even cooler... BeyondTV already has the listings and even recorded a Track and Field event for me today based off of a saved guide search that I have (tells it to record any program with those words in it).

64.2 Update: Talked to promotions and engineering guys today at WSTR regarding debut of the new sub-channel: http://www.thecooltv.com/
They are still waiting official go-ahead from Sinclair corporate offices - should be within next 30-60 days. Equipment is in, now just waiting to see what resources are required for the "hyper-customized" local programming segments of the music channel. Should be interesting.

Good news! :)

^ yeah, bring it.

(On a side note, I just got an Xbox that, when you hook it up to the internet, has netflix capabilities. So basically I am going to get a movie channel for free without having cable or satellite service. I say free because I was already a subscriber to netflix which comes with free online movies, but had never really used that feature before. I hope it works like I think it is supposed to.)

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Edit: Ahh, yeah, that's nice. Just watched a scene, the Matrix Reloaded (interstate chase scene), awesome! OTA and netflix w/online is all I need!

Edit: Ahh, yeah, that's nice. Just watched a scene, the Matrix Reloaded (interstate chase scene), awesome! OTA and netflix w/online is all I need!

Same here...dumped TWC for OTA + Netflix. Now, if NF will start streaming 5.1 DD (at least), then I will be really happy.:p

I am assuming covington is cincinnati area so here goes

anyone with insight cable use cable card with an htpc? I am curious how the install went and even who did it so if I get a ceton card I know where it would stand.

Also if you are recording on htpc what are the copy protections set to.

Thanks guys just trying to get some info before I spend the cash on something that is limited and not what I want.

I am assuming covington is cincinnati area so here goes

anyone with insight cable use cable card with an htpc? I am curious how the install went and even who did it so if I get a ceton card I know where it would stand.

Also if you are recording on htpc what are the copy protections set to.

Thanks guys just trying to get some info before I spend the cash on something that is limited and not what I want.

I assume you are in covington, ky not covington, oh. In any event, from what I have heard, the use of a cablecard tuner in a pc effectively makes the pc a glorified dvr for programs marked copy once/copy never. For TWC at least, every non-OTA station is marked copy once.

If you are planning on recording/archiving just OTA/local broadcast programming, my suggestion would be to get a tv tuner card/usb device for your pc and record that way. If you want to record/archive ESPN, HBO, etc. your best bet might be to get a cable company DVR and get the hauppauge hd-pvr here http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html I use the HD-PVR and it works well. makes it easy to create blu-ray disks.

Is anyone else seeing intermittent pixelation on WLWT 5-1 today? There has been a consistent interruption for us about every 10-20 seconds on this channel, but none of the other locals. The picture quality is great, just glitches every so often.

How would I begin to troubleshoot this?

Assuming you are talking about OTA broadcast, I just checked one of my tuners and 5.1 is OK here. Signal strength is reported as 100% with signal quality at 86%. What does your TV's signal strength meter show ?

If outdoor antenna I would start by looking for damage or changed alignment from today's winds. If indoor I would experiment with moving it around. As always, check all cabling between your antenna and TV.

Is anyone else seeing intermittent pixelation on WLWT 5-1 today? There has been a consistent interruption for us about every 10-20 seconds on this channel, but none of the other locals. The picture quality is great, just glitches every so often.

How would I begin to troubleshoot this?

Likely your issue is/was the winds as already mentioned. As we enter a new growing season, if you antenna is off any, if your tuner is not good at rejecting multipath, etc... then you will have issues. And with the winds blowing, just one leaf is enough to interfere with reception. You are likely looking at reaiming the antenna to an optimum position. If already at optimum position, then you need to look at the connections, cabling and the tuner. And lastly, lets not forget your location. It may be possible you need a pre-amp.

I wasn't home today but I did glance at a few channels before I left, when the wind was strongest, and I didn't have any problems.

For any Baseball fans out there, Opening Day game will be broadcast on CH. 12. I guess it'll be in H.D.

For any Baseball fans out there, Opening Day game will be broadcast on CH. 12. I guess it'll be in H.D.

Unfortunately, HD picture sans 5.1 Dolby Digital sound :(

For any Baseball fans out there, Opening Day game will be broadcast on CH. 12. I guess it'll be in H.D.Thanks! The one thing I miss with not having cable is Reds games. I wish they'd show at least some of the games OTA like they used to... this is a start I guess.

Channel 5 (WLWT) is supposed to broadcast the parade I think I heard.

I think cbs starts parade coverage at 11am.

I think cbs starts parade coverage at 11am.I don't know what really actually happened on TV since I've been at work, but I did walk past Todd Dykes and Lisa Cooney (WLWT 5) getting ready to broadcast from Race Street.

Top of the 6th and the game is in 4:3 format!? WTF??? Now switched back to 16:9...WTF is WKRC doing?

Top of the 6th and the game is in 4:3 format!? WTF??? Now switched back to 16:9...WTF is WKRC doing?

What we have come to expect from them?

I watched the game on Ch 930 on Insight in NKY. Beautiful HD picture and 5.1 audio. I was hoping for a win though.

What station/channel is ch930 on Insight?

Fox Sports Ohio HD is on Ch 930. It was added to the HD lineup last week.

Nice. How'd you like how the Reds loaded the bases? Did they never think the next batter could possibly get a friggen grand slam?

When I saw the back to back homers in the 4th I thought the Reds might actually be contenders this year. After the Cardinals grand slam I knew nothing has changed. What the hell were they thinking by walking that last batter to load the bases? Just disgraceful.

The good news is we got to see it all in fabulous High Definition. I just got a 56" DLP set and put a brand new light engine and lamp in it and damn, it was the most gorgeous ball game I have ever seen. I can't wait for football season to get here. It was fantastic on my CRT set for years, but I have a feeling it will be freaking incredible on this DLP now.

I didn't think CRT could be beat for PQ. ANd I still absolutely love CRT, that has not changed. I compared my CRT to LCD & Plasma sets and CRT was hands down the clear winner. But I had never had the opportunity to see/compare DLP before. I literally bought this DLP as a blind buy as the lamp was burned out when I bought the set. But now that I rebuilt the TV so that it is as brand new as a brand new set could be, it is obvious that DLP is better than CRT. I wish I had it for the Olympics, though again, mu CRT was outstanding.

WKRC looked excellent, albeit 2.0 DD. And they stayed in 16:9 the remainder of the game. That was a good thing. I don't think I could have taken any more disappointment than the Reds were dishing out.

Nice. How'd you like how the Reds loaded the bases? Did they never think the next batter could possibly get a friggen grand slam?

When I saw the back to back homers in the 4th I thought the Reds might actually be contenders this year. After the Cardinals grand slam I knew nothing has changed. What the hell were they thinking by walking that last batter to load the bases? Just disgraceful.

The good news is we got to see it all in fabulous High Definition. I just got a 56" DLP set and put a brand new light engine and lamp in it and damn, it was the most gorgeous ball game I have ever seen. I can't wait for football season to get here. It was fantastic on my CRT set for years, but I have a feeling it will be freaking incredible on this DLP now.

I didn't think CRT could be beat for PQ. ANd I still absolutely love CRT, that has not changed. I compared my CRT to LCD & Plasma sets and CRT was hands down the clear winner. But I had never had the opportunity to see/compare DLP before. I literally bought this DLP as a blind buy as the lamp was burned out when I bought the set. But now that I rebuilt the TV so that it is as brand new as a brand new set could be, it is obvious that DLP is better than CRT. I wish I had it for the Olympics, though again, mu CRT was outstanding.

WKRC looked excellent, albeit 2.0 DD. And they stayed in 16:9 the remainder of the game. That was a good thing. I don't think I could have taken any more disappointment than the Reds were dishing out.
What brand DLP? I've had a Samsung 56" DLP for several years now and it still beats any other set I've seen hands down. I love true blacks, not "dark grey" you get from LCD and even Plasma. Downsides to DLP are that it's thicker and the viewing angle isn't as good as the other technologies, but I'll take the better PQ and sit straight on.

What brand DLP? I've had a Samsung 56" DLP for several years now and it still beats any other set I've seen hands down. I love true blacks, not "dark grey" you get from LCD and even Plasma. Downsides to DLP are that it's thicker and the viewing angle isn't as good as the other technologies, but I'll take the better PQ and sit straight on.

Interesting. I bought my Sammy 43" DLP in December of 2003. I put the first replacement bulb in around August 2006 and its still going strong with 11,000+ hours on it. I should keep this set after it dies only since it's one of the first HDTVs that was really popular.

It has an issue where the screen tilts and is about 2-3 millimeters lower on the left than the right. It also has horrible overscan if I plug my extra Win7 Mediacenter PC into it and I have no desire to fiddle with it simply because of the tilt making it look weird anyhow. The color wheel has started the dreaded whining squeal sound on 2 different occasions over the last 7 years so I figure if that goes out I'll get a new set. Besides those 2 issues it still looks beautiful and will let her run as long as the bulbs last (bought spare 2 years ago still sitting in closet :D).

Anyone else not getting WKRC signal this morning? I have "no signal" on 12.1 and 12.2. It's not my antenna because nothing has changed and every other channel is fine, and obviously not my tuners either (same reason, I get all other channels). I set my HTPC to record the morning news and this morning I just had an error message and nothing (5:30-6:30 am). Tried to tune in manually and there was nothing.

They haven't moved the channel, have they? I would have expected announcements. Perhaps they were testing and someone goofed up and forgot to flip a switch or something?

Anyone else not getting WKRC signal this morning? I have "no signal" on 12.1 and 12.2. It's not my antenna because nothing has changed and every other channel is fine, and obviously not my tuners either (same reason, I get all other channels). I set my HTPC to record the morning news and this morning I just had an error message and nothing (5:30-6:30 am). Tried to tune in manually and there was nothing.

They haven't moved the channel, have they? I would have expected announcements. Perhaps they were testing and someone goofed up and forgot to flip a switch or something?

I am getting TW 1012 but not OTA 12.1 or 12.2

I have signal on OTA 12.1 and 12.2

I'm getting 100% / 35dB SNR on 12.1/12.2 right now.

Can you get WCPO 9.1 / how strong? It's also VHF and in the same general direction.

WKRC is perfect since I first turned it on at 11AM and is still perfect watching Let's Make A Deal. Signal Strength @ 97%

something was wrong this AM. They were off the HD channel on Time Warner in Middletown. Analog OK. When I got to work, re-scanned and WKRC and the CW appeared at 12.3 and 12.4 instead of 12.1 and 12.2. Now all is OK. It was like their PSIP generator took a dump.

Anyone else not getting WKRC signal this morning? I have "no signal" on 12.1 and 12.2.

I'm on TWC on the Amelia head end (former Adelphia) and they were missing yesterday morning, but came back sometime between 7:30 and 8am. Analog was fine.

W36DG got an extension for their flash cut. It was supposed to expire this Monday (4/19/2010), but they got an extension to 4/13/2013. So we may not see Daystar for a while.

According to the FCC database, there are currently five entries for WBQC and WOTH:


WBQC LD - digital - licensed - channel 47
WOTH-LP - analog - construction permit - channel 19
WOTH-LD - digital - construction permit - channel 20
WOTH-LP - analog - licensed - channel 25
WOTH-CA - analog - licensed - channel 38

Did WOTH and WBQC switch call letters for channel 47 (virtual channel 25)? That would explain why the PSIP name for Universal Sports on 25.2 is WBQC-LD.

You figured it out, you win the call letter shift prize! FYI, I was at the NAB last week and talked to the antenna manfacture for ch 36's antenna, SWR, it's currently being built.
Also was shopping for ch 20's equipment, it will be operational by late summer.

Elliott

You figured it out, you win the call letter shift prize!

Do I get a cameo on Friday Night Fu when it comes back? ;)

FYI, I was at the NAB last week and talked to the antenna manfacture for ch 36's antenna, SWR, it's currently being built.
Also was shopping for ch 20's equipment, it will be operational by late summer.

This is great news Elliott. Thanks for keeping us in the loop! I would assume that the work on channel 20 (the current WOTH) would coincide with the work on WCPO transitioning from RF 10 to RF 22 since they're on the same tower and there would have to be emissions mask matching and testing since they're two channels away from each other.

P.S. I amazed one of my friends by bringing up WKRP Saturday night on his over-the-air TV. We even watched part of the 2009 Boston Marathon on Universal Sports. "What sports?" "Universal Sports!" :D

I'll say it again I am thrilled to have Universal Sports and even happier it's not on WLWT taking away from the HD bandwidth.

So Ive been reading through the forum and haven't seen anything lately about this. Sorry if I missed it. But will we EVER get CW in HD??? It drives me crazy and I cannot get the Dayton station either!

So Ive been reading through the forum and haven't seen anything lately about this. Sorry if I missed it. But will we EVER get CW in HD??? It drives me crazy and I cannot get the Dayton station either!

Not unless a different station gets the CW affiliation. As long as it's on a subchannel HD is unlikely (and undesirable for quality concerns). I do get WBDT from Dayton OTA just fine; where are you located?

I do get WBDT from Dayton OTA just fine; where are you located?

Western Hills. I have time Warner. I guess I would have to buy an antenna for the roof right? Maybe the attic?

Western Hills. I have time Warner. I guess I would have to buy an antenna for the roof right? Maybe the attic?

Roof for any chance from there most likely...

Looks like WLWT is having issues with their WeatherPlus equipment or software... they do at least have the radar image with NOAA/NWS audio feed though.

Does anyone know why I can't get the HD channels without my box anymore? I use to get 5-1, 9-1, etc. on my TV directly connected to cable (without a box). These channels no longer come in. I have Time Warner in Cincinnati.

Talked to Time Warner... they say they "moved" the channels to the Digital Variety Package and there is no way to get them without a box anymore. I think what they meant to say is they REmoved the channels because they have always been available with the Digital Variety Package.

Yet another ploy by Time Warner to take more of our money by requiring us to "rent" more boxes and remotes. Similar to them lowering the bandwidth on their RoadRunner, requiring customers to upgrade (pay more) to get the same speed.

I have about had it with Time Warner. I may have to take jimp244's advice and drop pay-TV. The only problem is I need HDMI in order to run my DLP projector. It doesn't have any kind of tuner.

The only problem is I need HDMI in order to run my DLP projector. It doesn't have any kind of tuner.I have a couple of LG tuners I bought, one about 3 years or so ago and another about a year ago. Both from ebay. They have DVI out but you can use a DVI>HDMI cable and just run a seperate audio to your sound system.

Problem solved. :D

letzleta,

Have your TV rescan digital cable channels. What TWC did was move the channels from QAM 84,85 & 86 to QAM 75,76 & 78. Your TV should find them again at the new location with a rescan. They are still unencrypted (per FCC mandate) so you should not need a cable box to get them.

Since all of these moves, my reception of the encrypted HD channels, especially those on switched digital video, has been horrible. Audio dropouts, random picture freezes and pixelization. TWC has been out multiple times and been unable to correct. They claim I am an isolated case but I suspect not.

WLWT Weather Plus was back to normal when I checked last night a bit before 11pm.

I rescaned and still cannot find local HD channels. I don't believe I ever had them in the80's, they were 5-1, 9-1, 12-1, etc. I did the scan twice to make sure I didn't miss anything and went through all the channels.

I rescaned and still cannot find local HD channels. I don't believe I ever had them in the80's, they were 5-1, 9-1, 12-1, etc. I did the scan twice to make sure I didn't miss anything and went through all the channels.

Did you just use the channel button to re-scan for the missing channels ? If you did this is not what a re-scan is. The first time you turned the tv on it scan for your channels. Go in the menu and find the section to re-scan for channels.

I rescaned and still cannot find local HD channels. I don't believe I ever had them in the80's, they were 5-1, 9-1, 12-1, etc. I did the scan twice to make sure I didn't miss anything and went through all the channels.

Sorry your rescan was not successful. These channels are still unencrypted and a QAM tuner should be able to find them. Are you sure you are scanning digital cable and not broadcast (possibly called air or antenna) ? As dtv_insider clarified, this scan needs to be initiated from your TV's Menu or Setup function. Do you still get WSTR (64.1) and the range of ThinkTV (16.n) channels ? They were not moved and remain on QAM 102.

The channels that your TV shows you are remapped from the actual QAM channel for simplicity. If you had WLWT-HD previously, your TVs QAM tuner was finding it on 84.1 but showing it as 5.1 to match the channel identifier that has been associated with WLWT forever.

The new location for WLWT-HD on TWC is now QAM 75.1 but it will still show in the channel list as 5.1. Most QAM tuners do not show the actual channel, only the remapped virtual channel. I get actual channel information from software that uses a QAM tuner in my PC.

Unless you have a notch filter (http://www.linearcorp.com/product_detail.php?productId=264) that would be blocking QAM channels 75-78 a tuner that picked them up on the old channels should be able to find them at the new locations. If rescan still misses these channels, does your TV allow you to manually add channels ?

I have been experiencing the same problems with my reception on TWC HD channels 1003 (WXIX) and 1009 (WCPO) for the past 2 nights. I've had intermittent pixelization, audio dropouts and frozen video.

I tightened the cable connections this morning, just to make sure. I called TWC and they said that my neighborhood has problems with low reception onto its cable boxes. I'll continue to wait and see. :cool:

Ricardo

letzleta,

Have your TV rescan digital cable channels. What TWC did was move the channels from QAM 84,85 & 86 to QAM 75,76 & 78. Your TV should find them again at the new location with a rescan. They are still unencrypted (per FCC mandate) so you should not need a cable box to get them.

Since all of these moves, my reception of the encrypted HD channels, especially those on switched digital video, has been horrible. Audio dropouts, random picture freezes and pixelization. TWC has been out multiple times and been unable to correct. They claim I am an isolated case but I suspect not.

Out of the Amelia HE we lost WCPO HD. WLWTHD, WXIXHD, WKRCHD, WCETHD, etc... all come in fine, but WCPO HD is not. At least as of this time yesterday. I have to rescan again I suppose as channels were still being swapped around all day yesterday. There are channels available today, that were not available yesterday.

Hmm, all is well in QAMland here on the west side of Fairfield. For now anyways...

Which reminds me! It appears CBell's Fioptics is just around the corner here and I was wondering if that would make my Hauppauge 2250 recording of network HD shows history? In other words, there's no such thing as QAM on their TV system is there?

Hmm, all is well in QAMland here on the west side of Fairfield. For now anyways...

Which reminds me! It appears CBell's Fioptics is just around the corner here and I was wondering if that would make my Hauppauge 2250 recording of network HD shows history? In other words, there's no such thing as QAM on their TV system is there?

Correct

Correct

Really? Source?

Correct

:mad:

Hmm, all is well in QAMland here on the west side of Fairfield. I get a remapped 9-1, 720p, right now the program is TV-14 but the channel is encrypted my set says.

Personally I really don't care since I use OTA for everything, I just thought I would mention it is all.

I get a remapped 9-1, 720p, right now the program is TV-14 but the channel is encrypted my set says.

Personally I really don't care since I use OTA for everything, I just thought I would mention it is all.

Yea, this worries me since I rely on QAM to record certain things even though I use Daytons OTA channels for stuff I watch live.

Why does this worry you? Do you not get WCPO HD from the Amelia HE?

Did you just use the channel button to re-scan for the missing channels ? If you did this is not what a re-scan is. The first time you turned the tv on it scan for your channels. Go in the menu and find the section to re-scan for channels.

No, I did a re-scan from the menu. I am fairly tech savy, being a programmer for a living. My dad however, had no idea how to do a scan on his TV, LOL.

Sorry your rescan was not successful. These channels are still unencrypted and a QAM tuner should be able to find them. Are you sure you are scanning digital cable and not broadcast (possibly called air or antenna) ? As dtv_insider clarified, this scan needs to be initiated from your TV's Menu or Setup function. Do you still get WSTR (64.1) and the range of ThinkTV (16.n) channels ? They were not moved and remain on QAM 102.

The channels that your TV shows you are remapped from the actual QAM channel for simplicity. If you had WLWT-HD previously, your TVs QAM tuner was finding it on 84.1 but showing it as 5.1 to match the channel identifier that has been associated with WLWT forever.

The new location for WLWT-HD on TWC is now QAM 75.1 but it will still show in the channel list as 5.1. Most QAM tuners do not show the actual channel, only the remapped virtual channel. I get actual channel information from software that uses a QAM tuner in my PC.

Unless you have a notch filter (http://www.linearcorp.com/product_detail.php?productId=264) that would be blocking QAM channels 75-78 a tuner that picked them up on the old channels should be able to find them at the new locations. If rescan still misses these channels, does your TV allow you to manually add channels ?

Well, it was not working yesterday after my re-scan, but it appears to be working now. I do not think the TV would have needed to be shut off, but maybe for some reason it did. In any case, thank you all for your help. This is exactly why I like to ask questions on the forums even after talking to the morons in support at Time Warner. Thanks again!

Why does this worry you? Do you not get WCPO HD from the Amelia HE?

Why does this worry me? It sounds as if they are ditching the local HD stations from the unencrypted QAM slowly but surely. I am in Fairfield, nothing has changed yet.

Bottom line: possibly no more Cincy locals for $12/month.

Really? Source?

:mad:I'm going to have to eat it. I had been told that FIOS et. al didn't use QAM or coax, but it appears that is not the case, which means they are also required by the FCC to keep the local OTA stations "in the clear."

I'm going to have to eat it. I had been told that FIOS et. al didn't use QAM or coax, but it appears that is not the case, which means they are also required by the FCC to keep the local OTA stations "in the clear."

This appears to be the case for digital only carriers. From the "must carry" search I just did :

Digital must-carry — also incorrectly called "dual must-carry" — is the requirement that cable companies carry either the analog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_%28signal%29) (in a analog & digital cable system) or digital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital) (in a digital-only TV system like AT&T U-verse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_U-verse) or Verizon FiOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_FiOS))signal. They must still meet the every-subscriber/TV receiver laws, i.e. "Pursuant to Section 614(b)(7) and 615(h), the operator of a cable system is required to ensure that signals carried in fulfillment of the must-carry requirements are provided to EVERY subscriber of the system,” of local stations. This has been opposed by numerous cable networks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_network), who might be bumped off of digital cable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cable) were this to happen, and promoted by TV stations and the National Association of Broadcasters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Broadcasters), whom it would benefit by passing their HDTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television) or multichannel DTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television) signals through to their cable viewers.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In June, 2006 the FCC was poised to pass new digital must-carry rules, but the item was pulled before a vote actually took place, apparently due to insufficient support for the chairman's position.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
In September, 2007, the Commission approved a regulation that requires cable systems to carry the analog signals if the cable system uses both types of transmission. They left the decision to also retransmit the digital signal up to the cable provider. Digital only operators are not required to provide an analog signal for their customers (AT&T U-verse, Verizon FiOS). Small cable operators were allowed to request a waiver. The regulation will end three years after the digital TV transition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTV_Transition) date, and applies only to stations not opting for retransmission consent.
One could also read that to say they could satisfy the requirements by giving us only the analog sd versions of the local hd stations. This would suck for me :(

BTW, i quoted that from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must-carry#Other_networks) , so there's a better than average chance it is utter BS :)

One could also read that to say they could satisfy the requirements by giving us only the analog sd versions of the local hd stations. This would suck for me :(Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that they send the unencrypted stuff in digital because it takes less bandwidth than analog... so it makes sense in every way (except pure spite) to send digital.

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that they send the unencrypted stuff in digital because it takes less bandwidth than analog... so it makes sense in every way (except pure spite) to send digital.

Yes, but, cutting people off from (more or less) free QAM locals in HD would (in their greedy minds) give the customer the incentive to rent one of their digital boxes. Right?

I'm just sayin'...

What if they send digital, but it's only SD?

What if they send digital, but it's only SD?

According to how I read the "must carry", this is exactly what I am afraid could happen. I have my locals, TWC satisfies the "must carry" rule, and I have crappy SD to record prime-time network shows from. :(

According to how I read the "must carry", this is exactly what I am afraid could happen. I have my locals, TWC satisfies the "must carry" rule, and I have crappy SD to record prime-time network shows from. :(

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight.

1] SO what you are telling me is that you DO get 5,9,12,19 over clear QAM. Are we on the same page so far?

2] However, you DO NOT get 5,9,12,19 in clear QAM high def? In other words, no matter the program, it is all 480?


If 1], & 2] are correct and we understand each other, then something is amiss. Over clear QAM I do get 5,12,19 in the apropriate digital format ie...1080 & 720. But ch9 I only get in analog 480.

So, is this what you mean because I am confused with your comments one being all is well in QAM land and another that you only have SD to record for primetime.

I'm pretty sure he's just saying he's afraid the cable monster could do it, not that they are doing it.

I'm pretty sure he's just saying he's afraid the cable monster could do it, not that they are doing it.

Correct. And they would still be satisfying the requirements of the "must carry" rule.

So, is this what you mean because I am confused with your comments one being all is well in QAM land and another that you only have SD to record for primetime.

My concerns began at this point (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18545903#post18545903) last week in this thread. I never said I only had SD to record with in primetime, I was voicing my concern that it could become the case if TWC wanted to according to the way I decipher the "must carry" rule.

IANAL either, so I assume big corporations will use that to take advantage of me :D

I'll connect a clear QAM tuner STB this weekend and see if WCPO comes in. It is possible that for some insane reason my TV QAM tuner won't pickup the signal being transmitted by TWC. Unlikely this is the case, but possible.

I rescaned and still cannot find local HD channels. I don't believe I ever had them in the80's, they were 5-1, 9-1, 12-1, etc. I did the scan twice to make sure I didn't miss anything and went through all the channels.

Try a rescan again now. They were still changing things in the headend on the 27th. So it is possible you will now have the channels (are you getting them in SD even?) in HD.

Out of the Amelia HE we lost WCPO HD. WLWTHD, WXIXHD, WKRCHD, WCETHD, etc... all come in fine, but WCPO HD is not. At least as of this time yesterday. I have to rescan again I suppose as channels were still being swapped around all day yesterday. There are channels available today, that were not available yesterday.

(I'm on the Amelia system also.) It seems like the VCT for WCPO HD is messed up. On my TV in the bedroom (6 month old Sharp), it shows up on 76.1 and it has the call letters which come from the VCT. On my older Sony (maybe 3 years old) it has mapped correctly. I did a scan on the Sharp on Tuesday morning and this morning, same thing both times.

Also, ThinkTV 16HD (WPTD??) is not mapped - its on 102.67, maybe on both TVs.

My QAM recorder on my PC is now showing signs of issues... 12.1 was actually tuning in 12.2 even after a rescan. Also, after the rescan 5.1 is gone completely and the guide shows 12.2 as WKRCDT with 12.1 listings! (tunes in CW however)

Rescanned the bedroom TV (LG) and all seemed ok there. This is similar to an issue I had 18 months ago where I was always missing 12.1 no matter what I did on the PC.

Would appreciate it if some kind soul could list the actual (not mapped) channel for 5.1 and 12.1 so I can check manually. I started to go through them but there is simply too many channels. I did have these wrote down and, as fate would have it, I cleaned out my desk drawers 2 weeks ago and pitched it. :(

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My QAM recorder on my PC is now showing signs of issues... 12.1 was actually tuning in 12.2 even after a rescan. Also, after the rescan 5.1 is gone completely and the guide shows 12.2 as WKRCDT with 12.1 listings! (tunes in CW however)

Rescanned the bedroom TV (LG) and all seemed ok there. This is similar to an issue I had 18 months ago where I was always missing 12.1 no matter what I did on the PC.

Would appreciate it if some kind soul could list the actual (not mapped) channel for 5.1 and 12.1 so I can check manually. I started to go through them but there is simply too many channels. I did have these wrote down and, as fate would have it, I cleaned out my desk drawers 2 weeks ago and pitched it. :(

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18548418#post18548418

Thanks, no dice here. My list jumps from 74.8 straight to 80.100. I don't think they even moved them yet here in Fairfield unless my bedroom TV automatically resets them and adds them to my favs :P

Here's to hoping this is "moving pains" and it will be sorted sometime soon.

Your PC software won't let you manually tune specific QAM channels :confused:

Does it find WSTR & ThinkTV 16 on QAM 102 ?

If 84, 85 & 86 show encrypted I would say your locals have already been moved. I guess there is no guarantee they went to the same location as mine but it sounds like you have a software issue if it is skipping 74 - 80.

Your PC software won't let you manually tune specific QAM channels :confused:

Does it find WSTR & ThinkTV 16 on QAM 102 ?

If 84, 85 & 86 show encrypted I would say your locals have already been moved. I guess there is no guarantee they went to the same location as mine but it sounds like you have a software issue if it is skipping 74 - 80.

It finds 64.1 and remaps before I can see the original channel. Win7 Media center is the software. The bedroom TV was fine even before I rescanned as a test.

When I used to point Win7 MC to a local cable service so it can scan it used to have several labeled "Fairfield somethingerother", now the closest lineup for me is "Hamilton Digital Cable". Something has changed and Win7 MCE is not happy.

I can manually enter channels but its such a pain that I don't bother unless I have the exact channel number.

Did your tuner card come with any software or utilities ? I record with Beyond TV but use the HD-Homerun Configuration Utility to locate QAM channels and test when necessary.

WLWT-HD is reported as 75.1, KET-HD is 75.3
WKRC-HD is 76.21, CinCW is 76.22, WCPO-HD is 76.31
WXIX-HD is 78.2, WECT-HD is 78.7, ThisTV is 78.103

I can fill in the missing subchannels if these work for you.

edit:

Here is what Silicon Dust (HD-Homerun) shows for zip code 45011:

TWC Fairfield OH Channel line up (http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:45011#lineup_2182380)

Did your tuner card come with any software or utilities ? I record with Beyond TV but use the HD-Homerun Configuration Utility to locate QAM channels and test when necessary.

WLWT-HD is reported as 75.1, KET-HD is 75.3
WKRC-HD is 76.21, CinCW is 76.22, WCPO-HD is 76.31
WXIX-HD is 78.2, WECT-HD is 78.7, ThisTV is 78.103

I can fill in the missing subchannels if these work for you.

I got them all except 5.1 and 12.1, your "real channels" enabled me to manually add them. Fairfield must be in the middle of changing the channels over because 9.1, 19.1, 19.2, 48.1, & 64.1 all come in as they did previously on the old "real" channels. Also, 5.2 info shows the 5.1 listings and 12.2 shows 12.1 listings but as you can see it really is 12.2.

Strange, but at least I can make do until the channels disappear again when they begin re-mapping to the proper channel.

Anyone else have no audio on WXIX 19-1 using OTA? Turned it on this morning and had audio. Turned it on this afternoon and no audio. Tried this evening and still no audio.

This is much like my 7-1 not having audio problem if it isn't at the WXIX end. And I suppose that would leave me with having to buy a new tuner for the TV, which I wouldn't bother, since i own 2 different LG models w/ATSC/QAM tuners.

I havn't seen any posts from Nitewatchman lately. Is he allright?

I havn't seen any posts from Nitewatchman lately. Is he allright?

Hmm, good point, I was wondering the same. No posts since Jan 21 unless I missed one...

Well audio returned to WXIX. Glad it was them and not me this time around. ;)

As for Jeff, I made the realization awhile ago that I didn't recall seeing him post anything in some time. Here's to hoping all is well. His last "activity" on AVS was March 28th.

Try a rescan again now. They were still changing things in the headend on the 27th. So it is possible you will now have the channels (are you getting them in SD even?) in HD.

They are coming in after another rescan a couple days ago. Thanks all.

They are coming in after another rescan a couple days ago. Thanks all.

That's good news, hopefully here in Fairfield the moving and such will be done shortly. Every time I rescan on my PC they are different so I will wait a week or so before I try it again.

Audio on 19-1 is out again. What is going on at WXIX?

And what has happened to Jeff (Nightwatchman)?

That's good news, hopefully here in Fairfield the moving and such will be done shortly. Every time I rescan on my PC they are different so I will wait a week or so before I try it again.

Well I'm beginning to think TWC is up to no good here. I use Win7 Media Center to record the HD locals via QAM, and for the MC to do the proper guide and series recording etc. it relies on a list you download within MC that supposedly matches the actual channels to it's guide info. It then scans and gives you a list of all the digital channels it finds. In a perfect world you end up with a nice TV guide with point and click recording ability.

This was all fine and dandy until a week or 2 ago when the channels were moved. My TV with a QAM tuner in the bedroom adapted fine apparently, HD locals remapped fine. Win7 is an ugly mess. The only locals that remap correctly are WCPODT, WCETDT, and WSTRDT. WLWDT, WKRCDT, and WXIXDT can be manually tuned but you have no guide info to set recordings with.

Here's the best part - when I do a rescan it shows WLWTDT, WKRCDT and WXIXDT as detected but when I actually use the guide to tune them it actually tunes in that station's subchannel (5.2 and 12.2 and 19.2).

Frankly, with Fuse's Fioptics literally around the corner here, and TWC taking away my HD locals via QAM, I have zero incentive to even keep my internet connection with them.

Hopefully this is a temporary situation? Any other users here actually use TWC's QAM signals on their Win7 Media Center? I really don't want to change but I suspect this is motivated by nothing more than greed by the cable company and I refuse to be a part of it!