My D* HD Tivo is seeing 8-1 again. Lets hope it stays on. No go still on Windows Media Center.

Does anyone know what is going to happen with WEDN-DT (53.1, etc.) which is broadcast on Ch. 45 when WEDH-DT finally gets on the air ?? I believe WEDH-DT (24.1) was originally allocated Ch. 32. Rather than get frustrated with the delay of WEDH-DT getting on the air and with my fortunate location, I opted to receive 53.1, etc. It's unfortunate that WEDH-DT has taken so long to get on the air while WGBY-DT has spent the time improving their available programming.

The subject's been pretty much beaten to death. Read back through this thread.

My D* HD Tivo is seeing 8-1 again. Lets hope it stays on. No go still on Windows Media Center.

Worked for a bit on the 622, but not now at 9PM.

Does anyone know what is going to happen with WEDN-DT (53.1, etc.) which is broadcast on Ch. 45 when WEDH-DT finally gets on the air ?? I believe WEDH-DT (24.1) was originally allocated Ch. 32. Rather than get frustrated with the delay of WEDH-DT getting on the air and with my fortunate location, I opted to receive 53.1, etc. It's unfortunate that WEDH-DT has taken so long to get on the air while WGBY-DT has spent the time improving their available programming.

WEDH DT-45 Hartford is awaiting a FCC decision for approval for an earlier turn on than February 17, 2009.

Should the WEDH DT-45 Hartford approval CP with the concurrent WEDN DT-9 Norwich approval CP be given prior to February 17, 2009, CPBI will build both simultaneously.

Hopefully with the FCC posting it's Third Review of DTV Transition of April 25, 2007, ..."to facilitate the transition for full-power television stations..." a decision should be forth coming...

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-272655A1.pdf

CPBI's applications are "pre-transition" and should be acted upon...prior to "post-transition" applications...IMOO...

CPBI has been operating two DTV stations in CT since 2002 and transitioned into a new digital facility in September 13, 2004.

CPBI is currently completing a move to a new WEDH Ch 24 transmission facility colocated with WTIC 61/31 and WTXX 12. Both the WEDH Ch 24 and DT 45 antennas are mounted on the tower, transmission lines tested, analog transmitter currently undergoing final "tune-up" and FCC proof of performance testing. Literary counting down the days now for a new analog 24.

The WEDH Hartford DTV project started in 1997, now close to ten years in the making. It will happen, but on the FCC time line....

Again IMOO...

I am shocked the FCC is so slow at releasing WEDH-DT at 45. I thought government agencies were expedient and work in the best interest of the consumer? :rolleyes:

59-1 and 59-2 just showed up again on my TiVo S3s. Still no 8-1.

59-1 and 59-2 just showed up again on my TiVo S3s. Still no 8-1.Same here.

On my HR10-250s, 8_1 and 59_1 are both back. 8_1 is also at 10_3 and 59_1 is also at 39_3.

WTNH-DT now is showing HD on 8.1, SD on 8.4, 8.3 is blank and 8.2 disappeared...

WCTX-DT, 59.1 and 59.2 seem to be normal again.... and signal strength for WTIC-DT on 61.1 seems to be fine, at least in my location.

FYI:

WEDH-24 is transmitting from Rattlesnake Mountain at the moment. I'll probably leave it on until I leave late this afternoon then switch back to Avon Mountain.

Marc

I have a weird problem :( . I got my CM 4221 installed in my attic and am getting great signal (92 - 94% for WTICDT) yet I'm still getting blocks and stutters. I'm using a PCI atsc110 tuner if that makes any difference. I checked my CPU utilization and its barely breaking a sweat :/ .

why is this happening :(

Still no 8-1.I followed up with a call to Tivo on my case# (about 6-7 weeks now and counting). Tech Support said it was closed out as an end user signal strength problem. I politely described the symptoms again (96+ strength on the meter, steady, 8.1 fine for many months on the s3 then disappeared, other Tivo receivers, HR10-250s, with the same antenna feed getting 8.1 fine) and asked that he kick my disagreement with that diagnosis up the line.

I got a return call (on my voicemail, I'm saving it as a classic) awhile later. He had talked with the engineers. A Tivo engineer is dealing with the issue with the cable company and my calling in is just complicating matters. I should basically just shut up and wait until either Tivo or my cable company calls me with information.

So I'm now waiting for a call from Cox Cable to solve my problem of not getting 8.1 OTA.

Sorry to be a pain, but how close are we to WEDH-TV (PBS) channel 24 [analog] signing on at Rattlesnake Mountain? The last time I checked (Sunday afternoon), it was still the same crappy signal from Avon Mountain. :confused:

Look up three posts. The one from Mdodge

I have a weird problem :( . I got my CM 4221 installed in my attic and am getting great signal (92 - 94% for WTICDT) yet I'm still getting blocks and stutters. I'm using a PCI atsc110 tuner if that makes any difference. I checked my CPU utilization and its barely breaking a sweat :/ .

why is this happening :(

There are probably others here who could be of more help but you may be getting strong multipath, meaning multiple versions of the same signal being reflected off of trees, buildings, etc. If you are using any type of signal amplifier, try without it. If that doesn't work, try pointing the antenna slightly away from WTIC to reduce the M-P. If you have any type of metal in your attic - e.g., truss-connectors etc, that may be what's confusing the tuner. If that's the case, you may need to move the antenna outside. Good luck.

Sorry to be a pain, but how close are we to WEDH-TV (PBS) channel 24 [analog] signing on at Rattlesnake Mountain? The last time I checked (Sunday afternoon), it was still the same crappy signal from Avon Mountain. :confused:

Check tomorrow (Tuesday, 5/15) about noon-ish ;) . Got one more minor tweak to do.

Marc

I followed up with a call to Tivo on my case# (about 6-7 weeks now and counting). Tech Support said it was closed out as an end user signal strength problem. I politely described the symptoms again (96+ strength on the meter, steady, 8.1 fine for many months on the s3 then disappeared, other Tivo receivers, HR10-250s, with the same antenna feed getting 8.1 fine) and asked that he kick my disagreement with that diagnosis up the line.

I got a return call (on my voicemail, I'm saving it as a classic) awhile later. He had talked with the engineers. A Tivo engineer is dealing with the issue with the cable company and my calling in is just complicating matters. I should basically just shut up and wait until either Tivo or my cable company calls me with information.

So I'm now waiting for a call from Cox Cable to solve my problem of not getting 8.1 OTA.
What cable company do you have? I have had this problem resolved by TiVo. Firmware issue. Never had a card that was the actual cause. John

What cable company do you have? I have had this problem resolved by TiVo. Firmware issue. Never had a card that was the actual cause. John Sorry. I mean what Cox system.

What cable company do you have? I have had this problem resolved by TiVo. Firmware issue. Never had a card that was the actual cause. JohnThe difficulty I am discussing is WTNH OTA at 8_1. Tivo approaching this as a "Cable Company" issue is comic opera. Though it could indeed be a firmware issue. Glad Tivo was helpful to you.

Sorry to be a pain, but how close are we to WEDH-TV (PBS) channel 24 [analog] signing on at Rattlesnake Mountain? The last time I checked (Sunday afternoon), it was still the same crappy signal from Avon Mountain. :confused:

WEDH-24 is now transmitting from Rattlesnake Mountain for testing :D . Should be on until midnight tonight (5/15) and, with a little bit of luck, back on at 6:30 AM Wednesday. If all goes well it may be permanent.

KLM-224, PM me with a report.

Marc

Marc,
Channel 24 is massively improved in Mystic. On my single yagi it went from no descernable signal at about 1 PM today to coming in with just a little snow now.
I assume this is all from the height increase. Did the transmit power change any?
John

Marc,
Channel 24 is massively improved in Mystic. On my single yagi it went from no descernable signal at about 1 PM today to coming in with just a little snow now.
I assume this is all from the height increase. Did the transmit power change any?
John

John:

The licensed ERP is the same, 1200 KW, but the old RCA was barely making any power. We had a 7 dB increase in level (at the studio, downtown) from the Avon site to Rattlesnake when we were testing last week. And we were only at half power. The increase in HAAT also helps.

Marc

I would guess the increase here was more like 30 40 dB.

Marc,
I did a ch 24 screen capture on my spectrum analyzer. The sound carrier looks low compared to other analog stations. If you do switch the old location on I will do a capture for comparison.
John

Saw the newer signal tonight in New Britain's south end around 11 PM. There was a bit of ghosting. However, the signal was indeed much better than any signal from Avon Mountain ever puts through here. In review...perfect picture? No. Watchable, if needed? YES! As for the proof of Avon Mountain giving me problems, Univision channel 18 still comes in like total crap.

P.S. My 26" Sanyo LCD HDTV doesn't have a signal meter for analog stations.

Marc,
I did a ch 24 screen capture on my spectrum analyzer. The sound carrier looks low compared to other analog stations. If you do switch the old location on I will do a capture for comparison.
John

Just checked and Aural carrier is down 10 dB from Visual peak right where it should be.

Marc

Saw the newer signal tonight in New Britain's south end around 11 PM. There was a bit of ghosting. However, the signal was indeed much better than any signal from Avon Mountain ever puts through here. In review...perfect picture? No. Watchable, if needed? YES! As for the proof of Avon Mountain giving me problems, Univision channel 18 still comes in like total crap.

P.S. My 26" Sanyo LCD HDTV doesn't have a signal meter for analog stations.

I'm not surprised that you have a multipath problem, being so close to the transmitter. If you have a rotor, you can swing it for best picture.

Marc

Anyone notice WTICDT Fox 61 is down. No signal at all. Are they officially moving to their permanent tower today?

Here are some screen shots I recorded with my Magnavox DVD/VCR recorder combo with built-in digital tuner. These are images from over-the-air analog channel 24 from the new transmitter on Rattlesnake Mountain:

As you can see, I'm only getting some minimal ghosting, which I expect, since it's an analog signal I'm receiving. As for my antenna, I only have an old pair of telescoping rods from an older TV attached to the recorder's antenna input. I don't use a roof antenna at all (and when I was able to, the old WEDH-TV wouldn't come in that well either).

Now here's a great question: When did the first transmitter get put onto Rattlesnake Mountain? Was it the WVIT-TV/DT tower in the 1970s? Also, will Univision channel 18 be moving to Rattlesnake at all? I can't get anything for analog and I'm only getting the slightest digital signal of WUVN-DT.

Yuck. I forgot about analog ghosting. Thank goodness I watch everything digital. Now if only the FCC would release WEDH-DT.

As for WTIC-DT, it appears back. Good thing as I need my infomercials in the morning. LOL

Not too bad though, right? I'd LOVE to show you screen caps from analog channel 18, but...

As for the Connecticut Public Television identification, that WEDY-DT signal in New Haven must be on flea power because I've never received a trace of it here some 30 miles away. I can get spotty reception of WEDN-DT of Norwich, depending on which way I've got the antenna pointing.

Here are some screen shots I recorded with my Magnavox DVD/VCR recorder combo with built-in digital tuner. These are images from over-the-air analog channel 24 from the new transmitter on Rattlesnake Mountain:

As you can see, I'm only getting some minimal ghosting, which I expect, since it's an analog signal I'm receiving. As for my antenna, I only have an old pair of telescoping rods from an older TV attached to the recorder's antenna input. I don't use a roof antenna at all (and when I was able to, the old WEDH-TV wouldn't come in that well either).

Now here's a great question: When did the first transmitter get put onto Rattlesnake Mountain? Was it the WVIT-TV/DT tower in the 1970s? Also, will Univision channel 18 be moving to Rattlesnake at all? I can't get anything for analog and I'm only getting the slightest digital signal of WUVN-DT.

You could spend a great deal of time moving and adjusting your rabbit ears and probably not get it any better. Just get in a state of mind that ignores it ;) . If you're married you should be able to do it.

WVIT has been around since the fifties but I can't remember if it started life on Rattlesnake. Arnold built WTIC-61 back in the early 80's. If he's lurking, he would be able to enlighten you.

I can't speak for WUVN but, I doubt it will move.

Marc

Not too bad though, right? I'd LOVE to show you screen caps from analog channel 18, but...

As for the Connecticut Public Television identification, that WEDY-DT signal in New Haven must be on flea power because I've never received a trace of it here some 30 miles away. I can get spotty reception of WEDN-DT of Norwich, depending on which way I've got the antenna pointing.

If you search back through the posts in this thread (over the last 10 months, or so) you will see mentioned that the transmitter is OFF pending license approval. We've been waiting since last July for the license from the FCC :mad: .

And, I doubt you would receive it in NB anyway. 400 Watts ERP on Ch. 6. It won't get past Sleeping Giant's bellybutton.

Marc

Was 24 back on from Avon Mt. last night at about 11 PM? It seemed at the right strength for that location and I have some screen captures from then.
John

Was 24 back on from Avon Mt. last night at about 11 PM? It seemed at the right strength for that location and I have some screen captures from then.
John

Hi, John:

I'm taking some much needed vacation now but, I got an email this morning that said that there were microwave problems in our distribution system that caused loss of audio on WEDH-24 and loss of video on WEDN-53. Subsequently, WEDH-24 transmitted from Avon and WEDN-53 used WEDH (Avon) off-air as it's source. Back to normal sometime this morning. I suspect it was storm related.

Marc

Marc,
Enjoy your vacation. Here are shots of my reception from Avon and rattlesnake Mtn. The two spectrum analyzer shots show digital 23 from long island above the carriers from analog WEDH. The frequency scale is inverted. The screen picture is from last night same time as the SA capture with the transmittion from Avon.
John

Here is the TV screen capture from this morning's transmission from Rattlesnake Mtn.
John

I'm using the Samsung H260F Tuner with Comcast basic cable hooked into it...I'm getting the locals, CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, CW...about a month ago I was getting YES Network...can someone tell me what channel this would be coming in on...or what other channels I might be able to get or look for...CBS is 3-1, ABC is 8-1, etc...
Thanks!!!

Will the existing WEDH-TV transmitter at Avon Mountain ever be used for anything else or is its shelf life finished with, so to speak?

Got great reception of WEDN-DT (Norwich) last night with programming shown on 53.1. (53.2-53.6 were unused.) Transmission is still on Ch. 45.

Got great reception of WEDN-DT (Norwich) last night with programming shown on 53.1. (53.2-53.6 were unused.) Transmission is still on Ch. 45.

I get great reception on WEDN-DT but I have to rotate my antenna in the opposite direction. I am in Marlborough rack smack in the middle of Norwich and Hartford Towers. I've been looking forward to WEDH-DT getting activated on 45. Come on FCC!!!!!!!!

Will the existing WEDH-TV transmitter at Avon Mountain ever be used for anything else or is its shelf life finished with, so to speak?

I envision a number of future uses:

Target practice at the local landfill.
Sell to the Jap scrap dealers and come back as a Toyota.
Storage building for my yard equipment.
(too big for a boat anchor)
The list goes on. . .

BTW: The "shelf life" was up in 1992.

Marc

So let me know if I'm forgetting anybody over at Rattlesnake Mountain:

WRCH-FM [AC] 100.5 New Britain
WTXX-DT (CW) channel 12 Waterbury *
WEDH-TV (PBS) channel 24 Hartford
WVIT-TV (NBC) channel 30 New Britain
WTIC-DT (FOX) channel 31 Hartford
WVIT-DT (NBC) channel 35 New Britain
WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 Hartford

* Is WTXX-DT licensed to Waterbury like analog channel 20 is?

Good morning, WTCX just went out again. Hope it comes on quickly. Jeff

so i picked up a hdtv pc tuner and i have one question. does anyone know if charter from willimantic, CT sends out uncrypted QAM channels. because i am scaning stations 1-124 and i get nothing. i am using the new hauppauge wintv-1600. just want to know if it is worth it or returning it if i cant get these stations

In its order released on 5/18/07, the FCC granted WTIC-DT an additional six-month construction permit extension. The station is awaiting Canadian clearance on its modification application. It appears that Channel 61 must have a digital antenna installed on the candelabra and be broadcasting at full power by November 18, 2007 to be in compliance with the FCC order. Its "Use or Lose" waiver was dismissed.

WTXX-DT was denied a "Use or Lose" waiver. Quoting from the document, the station "elected to return to its analog channel (channel 20) and has an STA [Special Temporary Authority] facility for its interim DTV channel (12) that meets the use or lose requirements. It claims that it cannot file its application to modify its DTV construction permits to specify its STA facilities because of the Commission's freeze on the filing of DTV applications. In reality, the station cannot file an application to modify its STA facility because this move would result in the station causing impermissible interference to another station. It is within the station's control to either identify a new transmitter site location or submit an application to modify its STA facility to comply with the Commission's policies and rules."

The FCC report also mentioned that WEDH-DT was granted a "Checklist Waiver" and is awaiting a grant of their DTV construction permit.

so i picked up a hdtv pc tuner and i have one question. does anyone know if charter from willimantic, CT sends out uncrypted QAM channels. because i am scaning stations 1-124 and i get nothing. i am using the new hauppauge wintv-1600. just want to know if it is worth it or returning it if i cant get these stations

They do have alot of hd channels, so it follows that the local hd channels are qam encrypted. Are you sure the tuner you have has a qam tuner in it? Have you done the setup correctly?

yea i am 99% sure i have set it up correctly. HVR-1600 does clear QAM. so from what i am hearing that i will not be getting any hdtv channels from ashford,charter communications willimantic. i have tryed calling but i was on the phone for 10mins and havent gotten to a agent so i gave up. also this is on the same line as the high speed net.

FYI - i am paying for HDTV channels on another tv downstairs so its not like i am stealing it. just want to watch it on my pc and record it.

I hope someone in the know here can clear up some confusion for me. I have followed with interest the progress reports on the upgrades to the WTIC-TV tower, including the move of the CPTV analog facility from Avon Mountain. What I don't understand is why CPTV is investing in an entirely new physical plant when it will have to be taken out of service in just two years. As Scott Fybush put it in today's Northeast Radio Watch, this is probably "the last full power analog site to be built from scratch." Why not just stick with the Avon facility until the end and put the resources into the new digital plant on Rattlesnake Mountain -- assuming the FCC ever gives them a construction permit for that digital facility.

The equipment can possibly be converted over to other uses at that time. As for the move of WEDH-TV, I'm all for it! For the first time ever, I can actually receive a recordable signal from them without needing to catch a snowy color signal from Norwich. I posted a couple of screen caps a few posts up. Although I live in New Britain's south end, my line of sight to Avon Mountain has always been blocked by Walnut Hill (which has the hospital atop it). On the flip side, I can just barely see the tip of the WTIC-TV tower if I look out of my west-facing third-floor window and look a bit to the right. :)

On the flip side, did the reception of WEDH-TV analog get WORSE for anybody? :confused:

I havent seen anything in recent post about progress on the 61 tower. Does anyone have an update? I needed an amp to get it in Groton untill last week.

To get what in Groton? WTIC-DT?

I hope someone in the know here can clear up some confusion for me. I have followed with interest the progress reports on the upgrades to the WTIC-TV tower, including the move of the CPTV analog facility from Avon Mountain. What I don't understand is why CPTV is investing in an entirely new physical plant when it will have to be taken out of service in just two years. As Scott Fybush put it in today's Northeast Radio Watch, this is probably "the last full power analog site to be built from scratch." Why not just stick with the Avon facility until the end and put the resources into the new digital plant on Rattlesnake Mountain -- assuming the FCC ever gives them a construction permit for that digital facility.

I havent seen anything in recent post about progress on the 61 tower. Does anyone have an update? I needed an amp to get it in Groton untill last week.

FYI,

CPBI started the process of replacing the analog transmitters and building digital transmitters across the state beginning in:

1997 New WEDW Ch 49 Bridgeport. It replaced a 1967 GE analog transmitter.
2002 New WEDN DT-45 Norwich w/design to facility future replacement of WEDN Ch 53.
2003 New WEDW DT-52 Bridgeport.
2005 Modification WEDN DT-45 / CH 53 separating the 2002 DTV to DTV and Analog replacing another 1967 GE transmitter.
2006 New WEDY DT-6 New Haven (Built, tested OTA, silent. Awaiting FCC Program test authority). Analog WEDY Ch 65 early "out of core" turned in.
2007 New site and WEDH Ch 24 / DT-45 (future) Hartford. It replaced a 1972 RCA transmitter. Move assures best "bang for buck" Hartford Analog & future DTV.

PS-WEDH DT-45 is assured February 17, 2009 (or when analog goes dark) operation. Possible scenarios:

1) Should the FCC approve an earlier February 17, 2009 operation for WEDH DT-45 Hartford, CPBI is prepared to build ASAP WEDH DT-45 Hartford and WEDN DT-9 Norwich. These would be two new DTV transmitters and a new antenna for WEDN DT-9 Norwich.

2) Should the FCC not approve an earlier February 17, 2009 operation for WEDH DT-45 Hartford, CPBI is prepared to modify one-half of the the existing WEDH Ch 24 Hartford for DTV-45 Hartford operation, purchase a new WEDN DT-9 transmitter and antenna for Norwich. After Analog goes dark, the remaining half of WEDH Ch 24 will be converted to DTV-45 operation.

February 17, 2009 (or when analog goes dark) - WEDW DT-52 Bridgeport channel changed to WEDW DT-49 and returns to existing top of tower Ch 49 antenna.

It was reported by ComSite that all the remaining tower rigging equipment and crew have left the site after 5 PM today...period...

Return date for next "major" activity appears to be determined by any future FCC "actions" and corporate decisions for WTIC Ch 61 / DT-31, WEDH DT-45, WTXX DT-20 (?February 17, 2009?), etc., etc., etc.

CPBI why replace and move? If CPBI didn't...unless you were a cable tv subscriber that was interconnected by Comcast 24/7 fiber...you wouldn't see CPTV...period...

The WEDH Ch 24 new height and ERP, applied for in July 2004, protects the future WEDH DT-45 Hartford coverage area, initially applied for in January 1999...as part of the FCC on channel "maximization" process which CPBI did.

To get what in Groton? WTIC-DT? Yes, WTIC-DT. I have two towers I work with. One is on the back side of a mountain in Higganum that has a good south view of the state but not to good line of sight to hartford stations and I have lost WTIC-DT signal from that tower. In Groton I have a good line of sight to hartford but its so good that an analog 31 in upstate New York causes digi breakup when the video signal peaks into the WTIC-DT signal. The Groton tower has an antenna tuned for 31 UHF and I figure that when WTIC is full power on their tower that ill get it back in Higganum and Groton will get less breakup. If I remove the amp it will lose the signal so I cant win with it because of distance to Groton. Thanks for the info. John

I understand the reasons behind most of CPBI's moves as explained in your post. However, I am still unclear about a few things.

FYI,

2007 New site and WEDH Ch 24 / DT-45 (future) Hartford. It replaced a 1972 RCA transmitter. Move assures best "bang for buck" Hartford Analog & future DTV.

I'm still not clear on how purchasing a brand new analog TV transmitter that will only be in service for two years represents best bang for the buck.

2) Should the FCC not approve an earlier February 17, 2009 operation for WEDH DT-45 Hartford, CPBI is prepared to modify one-half of the the existing WEDH Ch 24 Hartford for DTV-45 Hartford operation, purchase a new WEDN DT-9 transmitter and antenna for Norwich. After Analog goes dark, the remaining half of WEDH Ch 24 will be converted to DTV-45 operation.

Do I understand this correctly -- that the new analog-24 transmitter can somehow be converted (one half at a time?) to digital operation.

CPBI why replace and move? If CPBI didn't...unless you were a cable tv subscriber that was interconnected by Comcast 24/7 fiber...you wouldn't see CPTV...period...

Again, I'm confused. Could they not have just continued to broadcast from the Avon site until 2009?

The WEDH Ch 24 new height and ERP, applied for in July 2004, protects the future WEDH DT-45 Hartford coverage area, initially applied for in January 1999...as part of the FCC on channel "maximization" process which CPBI did.

Does this mean that CPBI had to apply to upgrade analog 24 to the height and power that they ultimately wanted for digital-45 (or whatever) in order to be able to build DT-45 to those specs? If so, it finally makes sense to me. Actually, it doesn't make sense, but at least I can understand why they're doing it.

Yes, WTIC-DT. I have two towers I work with. One is on the back side of a mountain in Higganum that has a good south view of the state but not to good line of sight to hartford stations and I have lost WTIC-DT signal from that tower. In Groton I have a good line of sight to hartford but its so good that an analog 31 in upstate New York causes digi breakup when the video signal peaks into the WTIC-DT signal. The Groton tower has an antenna tuned for 31 UHF and I figure that when WTIC is full power on their tower that ill get it back in Higganum and Groton will get less breakup. If I remove the amp it will lose the signal so I cant win with it because of distance to Groton. Thanks for the info. John

Wait...are you talking about FOX channel 31 in Rochester (WUHF-TV) or ION channel 31 in New York City (WPXN-TV)? What about WNNE-TV (NBC) channel 31 from White River Junction, VT?

Here in New Britain, I'm not much better off. I still struggle to get WFSB-DT (CBS) from Avon Mountain. If I turn my telescoping rabbit ears the right way, I get a choppy WHPX-DT (ION) from their Montville site. I don't do much better with WEDN-DT (PBS) from their Bozrah site. Actually, when it's turned that way, I get WPXQ-DT (ION) Block Island/Providnce better from their Exeter, RI transmitter.

WTIC-DT (61.1) is actually making the digital transmission on Ch. 31 while continuing to broadcast the analog signal on 61. Since 61 is outside the core frequencies of 2-51, when the analog transmissions go off the air in 2009, WTIC-DT will continue to transmit on channel 31.

So is it my understanding that WEDH-DT will not be going live again this year due to the FCC's foot dragging? So even if they approve it today, can and will CPTV start using 45? Are we talking about 2009 before we see a Hartford PBS digital station via OTA?

Maybe being suttle was a bit confusing too?z

I understand the reasons behind most of CPBI's moves as explained in your post. However, I am still unclear about a few things.

1-I'm still not clear on how purchasing a brand new analog TV transmitter that will only be in service for two years represents best bang for the buck.

2-Do I understand this correctly -- that the new analog-24 transmitter can somehow be converted (one half at a time?) to digital operation.

3-Again, I'm confused. Could they not have just continued to broadcast from the Avon site until 2009?

4-Does this mean that CPBI had to apply to upgrade analog 24 to the height and power that they ultimately wanted for digital-45 (or whatever) in order to be able to build DT-45 to those specs? If so, it finally makes sense to me. Actually, it doesn't make sense, but at least I can understand why they're doing it.

Answers..IMOO...

1) Project became fully funded when, along with the multiple government grants, Northeast Utilities / CL&P provided additional funding to purchase a more efficient transmitter....Gotta love them!!! Continue reading...

1 & 2) Don't get caught up in the wording of analog / digital TV transmitters. All modern transmitters come off the same production line. What makes one analog and one digital is really minor in our minds. It what's goes in and what comes out. Simplestically, an analog transmitter at power X TPO will make a digital transmitter of approximate X/4 analog TPO. What's in the middle, the costly high power amplifiers are the same. The output filters are different.

So when the existing 2002 WEDN DT-45 Norwich was converted in 2005 from a two tube full power redundant digital transmitter into a single tube full power analog transmitter and a single tube full power digital transmitter...it "only" required replumbing of the RF inputs and RF outputs, adding redundant analog exciters, reuse existing CH 53 filter, burn out Marc , stir not shaken and voila.

3) Yes. But what happens after February 17, 2009???
CPBI Digital would not work at Avon. At ComSite Farmington, future WEDH DT-45 will be 465 KW ERP on one of the tallest sticks in CT. At Avon, WEDH DT-32 was hobbled with less that 32 KW ERP on an antenna height almost 245 meters lower!

You think you have problems with WTIC DT-31? Their currently side mounted low at more that ten times that power level. With future power house WTIC DT-31 and WFSB DT-33, WEDH DT-32 was stuck in the middle, where most DTV STBs would find next to impossible to receive...reliably.

And viewer reports for WEDH Ch 24 are very positive, including cable tv companies not on the direct fiber feed and DirecTV viewers receiving the OTA via satellite!!!

4) Yes. This is why it took over ten years to get to this point. Many stations had to maximize their analog coverage areas so that when it came time to assign DTV channels, that "maximized" coverage area became protected, because in the process of converting from analog to digital, stations were not allowed to increase their coveage areas.


5) So is it my understanding that WEDH-DT will not be going live again this year due to the FCC's foot dragging?

6) So even if they approve it today, can and will CPTV start using 45? Are we talking about 2009 before we see a Hartford PBS digital station via OTA?

5) Not exactly. Something is afoot with the recent action "In the Matter of DTV Build-Out" adopted by the FCC on May 17, 2007 by granting CPBI a "Checklist Waiver"...more to come...

6) If the FCC would grant CPBI CPs for DT-45 Hartford (AND it should go without saying DT-9 Norwich too as they go hand-in-hand) by say, pick a date, CPBI could have a WEDH DT-45 Hartford and WEDN DT-9 Norwich ready for on air within 120 days, if not sooner.

According to the ComSite web site today the quote "TOWER PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED!" is noted...

Hip Hip Hooray!!!

OK...with WEDN-DT of Norwich being on channel 9, would that cause problems with WWOR-DT in Secaucus, NJ if they stay on channel 9 in 2009?

Another problem I see happening is people that live close to the Bozrah transmitter that might be trying to receive the what will be adjacent WTNH DT that is on 10, most likely will cause some issues there.

Just checking in on whether anyone is seeing issues with channel 3 - WFSB? D* had a screen up most of last night that they lost the local digital signal, and I couldn't bring it in via my antenna either. I should say, there was some form of signal since I didn't get the searching for signal indicator, but the screen was black - no picture.

This morning, the digital picture is back both on D* and OTA, but the programming doesn't match the guide. Looking like some type of PSIP issue perhaps.

Check out thier website, they got flooded yesterday.

Check out thier website, they got flooded yesterday.

Well now, that explains things. Thanks. Here's the link for anyone interested.

http://www.wfsb.com/news/13392245/detail.html

Just checking in on whether anyone is seeing issues with channel 3 - WFSB? D* had a screen up most of last night that they lost the local digital signal, and I couldn't bring it in via my antenna either. I should say, there was some form of signal since I didn't get the searching for signal indicator, but the screen was black - no picture.

This morning, the digital picture is back both on D* and OTA, but the programming doesn't match the guide. Looking like some type of PSIP issue perhaps.

Late last night they had the Springfield 3 programming on instead of their regular show.

How long is it until they move into their new building in Rocky Hill?

yea i am 99% sure i have set it up correctly. HVR-1600 does clear QAM. so from what i am hearing that i will not be getting any hdtv channels from ashford,charter communications willimantic. i have tryed calling but i was on the phone for 10mins and havent gotten to a agent so i gave up. also this is on the same line as the high speed net.

FYI - i am paying for HDTV channels on another tv downstairs so its not like i am stealing it. just want to watch it on my pc and record it.


Maybe you need a driver update?

From:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr1600.html

Digital QAM features
If you are using digital cable which broadcast the local ATSC channels, you can receive these QAM channels with the new WinTV v6 application. QAM is only supported on product codes 74021 and 74041 (found on the tuner label).
Note: not all cable TV networks send clear QAM channels
Note: if you have a WinTV-HVR-1600 poduct code 74021, click here for the latest software which supports QAM:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/support_hvr1600.html#driver_34c

The ones you get OTA should be retransmitted in clear QAM from your cable company.

http://www.wfsb.com/slideshow/news/13405496/detail.html Channel 3's website has a slide show related to the mishap on Friday afternoon. It was reported at another media board that they had their CBS 3 Springfield service up on the main analog 3 channel for a time (normally on 33-2, a.k.a. "3-2").

How long is it until they move into their new building in Rocky Hill?

July 9th.

Wait...are you talking about FOX channel 31 in Rochester (WUHF-TV) or ION channel 31 in New York City (WPXN-TV)? What about WNNE-TV (NBC) channel 31 from White River Junction, VT?

Here in New Britain, I'm not much better off. I still struggle to get WFSB-DT (CBS) from Avon Mountain. If I turn my telescoping rabbit ears the right way, I get a choppy WHPX-DT (ION) from their Montville site. I don't do much better with WEDN-DT (PBS) from their Bozrah site. Actually, when it's turned that way, I get WPXQ-DT (ION) Block Island/Providnce better from their Exeter, RI transmitter.
Can you go to an outside antenna for WFSB DT? My sister lives on High st New Britain and she gets near 100% signal on 33 UHF WFSB DT with RCA amplified rabbit ears. I figure since your that close, you may be able to do better with a reflected signal rather that trying line-of-sight. I belive it's WUHF 31 Rochester video carrier is getting into my digital signal. I can see on my analyzer at 1.25 MHz in from the marker that there is another peak and if I look at the direction the antenna is pointing, the line shoots out to upstate New York, Rochester area. Its just enough to give me digi breakup mabye 4-5 times an hour for about 10 sec. Sometimes it gets so bad I lose the channel. I removed the amp on the antenna to try and reduce the gain on WUHF but it reduced the signal for WTIC DT to a weaker less reliable signal. I guess I will have to wait for them to raise the power and the final transmitt antenna to the top of the tower. I guess I was hoping Mr Chase or someone involved in the tower work would jump is and say " It will be complete mm/dd/yyyy." Wishfull thinking. Thanks, John

I envision a number of future uses:

Target practice at the local landfill.
Sell to the Jap scrap dealers and come back as a Toyota.
Storage building for my yard equipment.
(too big for a boat anchor)
The list goes on. . .

BTW: The "shelf life" was up in 1992.

Marc
I know im beating this one to death but here it goes again. WEDH UHF 24 will be transmitting from rattlesnake mountain from the top of the WTIC tower? I have problems from WHPX UHF 26 so if its going to stay, I will put the effort into tweaking my antenna to clear up the picture. Is that why Toyotas were rusty in the 80's and 90's? HARRIS forgot to galvanize the transmiters?

John,
My antenna is not up nearly as high as but in Mystic I get the new channel 24 without noticeable interference from channel 26. How about a channel 26 deletion filter or just get the signal from channel 53?
On the channel 31 problem, some digital receivers perform badly in the presence of analog interference but newer ones do much better. Some have better analog carrier rejection filtering than others.
John

I know im beating this one to death but here it goes again. WEDH UHF 24 will be transmitting from rattlesnake mountain from the top of the WTIC tower? I have problems from WHPX UHF 26 so if its going to stay, I will put the effort into tweaking my antenna to clear up the picture. Is that why Toyotas were rusty in the 80's and 90's? HARRIS forgot to galvanize the transmiters?

1. Yes, Ch. 24 is presently transmitting from the top of the Communications Site Management (ComSite) tower on Rattlesnake Mountain.

2. I'm assuming that you live in the vicinity of Higganum (nearer to the top of a hill) not down in the village. WEDH-24 is approximately 20 miles at 315 T from you. WEDN-53 is approximately 20 at 85 T. And WHPX-26 is approximately 19 miles at 107 T. That puts WEDH and WHPX at about 152 degrees separation; that's pretty much on the backside of the antenna. If you point at one, you shouldn't be seeing the other. ;)

3. Actually, both the expired Bridgeport and Norwich transmitters were GE's. The New Haven transmitter was an ITS. The Hartford (Avon) transmitter is an RCA. But, the answer would be "Yes" anyway.

Can you go to an outside antenna for WFSB DT? My sister lives on High st New Britain and she gets near 100% signal on 33 UHF WFSB DT with RCA amplified rabbit ears. I figure since your that close, you may be able to do better with a reflected signal rather that trying line-of-sight.

:( Nope! I've hooked up what's left of an old roof antenna in our third floor attic. Still had little change with WFSB-DT. The OLD channel 24 from Avon Mountain was only slightly better. Again, as long as Walnut Hill is in the same direction as Avon Mountain, it's not gonna change for me. I am on Monroe Street, about a block from the Food Bag convenience store.

I have had a separate antenna pointed at WEDN for a couple of years now. I could watch the picture during the winter, but there were always dropouts.

Recently (last week or so), I am getting a rock solid picture. Has something happened at WEDN? Are they transmitting at more power?

:( Nope! I've hooked up what's left of an old roof antenna in our third floor attic. Still had little change with WFSB-DT. The OLD channel 24 from Avon Mountain was only slightly better. Again, as long as Walnut Hill is in the same direction as Avon Mountain, it's not gonna change for me. I am on Monroe Street, about a block from the Food Bag convenience store.
I grew up in New Britain and have been a DX'er for years and know what your faced with. Monroe st is blocked by Walnut hill almost like a shield but you have enough elevation to get good reception in other directions. I had a similar problem on High st. I was blocked by Burritt st hill for north west reception but could get New York and Boston without a problem.

You must have had one hell of a roof antenna then! Would it have been possible that Walnut Hill being behind you, you'd have signals reflecting back to your TV and messing them up? In case I didn't mention it, I once lived on Collins Street in the East end near East Street. Channel 18 and 24 were just fine from there (in 1991, about a month before WHCT-TV was forced off the air). Channel 22 was decent and 40 was snowy but still watchable. Maybe me being on the other side of CT Route 9 helped?

I almost never picked up New York City or Boston here. There were a couple of nights a year where Long Island would get enhanced (WLIW-TV 21, WHSI-TV 67 and WLNY-TV 55 came to mind), but Boston almost never happened. The best single night I ever had was in 1988. I got a weak channel 17 from Philadelphia and WBOC-TV (CBS) channel 16 from Salisbury, MD! It's still the farthest UHF signal I've ever picked up from here. Unlike e-skip from the south and midwest, the signals were weak, but strong enough to make out commercials and station IDs! :)

You must have had one hell of a roof antenna then! Would it have been possible that Walnut Hill being behind you, you'd have signals reflecting back to your TV and messing them up? In case I didn't mention it, I once lived on Collins Street in the East end near East Street. Channel 18 and 24 were just fine from there (in 1991, about a month before WHCT-TV was forced off the air). Channel 22 was decent and 40 was snowy but still watchable. Maybe me being on the other side of CT Route 9 helped?

I almost never picked up New York City or Boston here. There were a couple of nights a year where Long Island would get enhanced (WLIW-TV 21, WHSI-TV 67 and WLNY-TV 55 came to mind), but Boston almost never happened. The best single night I ever had was in 1988. I got a weak channel 17 from Philadelphia and WBOC-TV (CBS) channel 16 from Salisbury, MD! It's still the farthest UHF signal I've ever picked up from here. Unlike e-skip from the south and midwest, the signals were weak, but strong enough to make out commercials and station IDs! :)
I had a Channel Master that was left on the roof by the previous owner. My house was in front of Washington High school now apartments. I think it was the largest antenna made by Channel Master in the 70's because I have yet to see anything bigger. The only thing blocking my line of sight was Miller st up to Burritt st so I could not DX to upstate New York or north west. When I was on the roof, I could see most of the state other than north west because of that hill. I could watch New York or Boston any time of day just by adjusting the rotor and at night I could get New Hamshire, Maine and some other states. Rhode Island also was a clear shot. I sold that house in 99 and moved to Higganum where I lost my reception due to Chamberlain Hill. My house is basicly burrowed into the side of a mountain and im blocked by everything but south west. That is untill I get the rest of my tower built. Its at 70 ft and I have 5 more 10 ft sections and figure once I get over the trees, Ill get thoses stations again. I do get stations at night but the conditions need to be right. I have about 10 different antennas im going to put on it and a few rotors so I can direct UHF and VHF antennas separatly. Should be fun. Talk soon, John

I have had a separate antenna pointed at WEDN for a couple of years now. I could watch the picture during the winter, but there were always dropouts.

Recently (last week or so), I am getting a rock solid picture. Has something happened at WEDN? Are they transmitting at more power?

Both WEDN Ch 53 and DT-45 have been operating at full power since 2005. No power nor antenna changes have been made since.

Next change pending FCC determination for CP for WEDH DT-45 and WEDN DT-9, Norwich antenna changes and positions on tower may change...TBD...

Did lightning affect any Connecticut TV transmitters on Thursday night/Friday morning? Somebody on another media board is certain that lightning must have struck the WZMX-FM 93.7 (Hartford) transmitter on West Peak in Meriden. The WTXX-TV analog channel 20 transmitter isn't really that far away from there.

Did lightning affect any Connecticut TV transmitters on Thursday night/Friday morning? Somebody on another media board is certain that lightning must have struck the WZMX-FM 93.7 (Hartford) transmitter on West Peak in Meriden. The WTXX-TV analog channel 20 transmitter isn't really that far away from there.

Nothing noted for CPTV.

WPKT 90.5 FM Meriden's antenna shares the same tower, just below the WZMX FM 93.7 antenna. Nothing noted.

February 17, 2009 (or when analog goes dark) - WEDW DT-52 Bridgeport channel changed to WEDW DT-49 and returns to existing top of tower Ch 49 antenna.


Stupid question - what are the height / power diffs between WEDW and WEDW-DT? Would you believe I might *not like* the height increase, as I'm close enough to the transmitter to worry about the signal flying over me! :D

I missed this in the original post. I am a little surprised that WEDW is staying on channel 49. Analog WEDW is watchable in Mystic and sometimes causes severe interference to WLNE-DT which is also on channel 49.
The FCC web site shows WEDW analog about 34 meters higher than WEDW digital.
John

Stupid question - what are the height / power diffs between WEDW and WEDW-DT? Would you believe I might *not like* the height increase, as I'm close enough to the transmitter to worry about the signal flying over me! :D

Approximately 33 meters (108 feet).

Reads like you indicated it's over your head directed to the horizon...If you're that close it's actually very much less, spread over many square miles, not to be confused for an concentrated energy beam weapon...

WEDW Ch 49 1.95 MW ERP
WEDW DT-52 50 KW ERP
WEDW DT-49 50 KW ERP

I missed this in the original post. I am a little surprised that WEDW is staying on channel 49. Analog WEDW is watchable in Mystic and sometimes causes severe interference to WLNE-DT which is also on channel 49.
The FCC web site shows WEDW analog about 34 meters higher than WEDW digital.
John

The heavily congested Northeast TV corridor was a tough nut to crack compounded by the fact the FCC assigned the out of the core DT-52 channel to WEDW Bridgeport. That is why WEDW DT Bridgeport will revert to DT-49 on February 17, 2009+/-.

There were no other options. If challenged, WEDW DT Bridgeport would most likely be dark. Witness the plight of WEDH DT Hartford...enough said...

WEDW Ch 49 / DT-52 has a directional pattern intended primarily to service Southwestern Ct, city of licence Bridgeport, notably primarily the CT shoreline communities from Stamford+/- to New Haven+/-, baring those hills and valleys...

If you're regularly watching WEDW Ch 49 in Mystic, nice. Are you able to watch WEDW DT-52 too?

At the moment, wouldn't WEDN Ch 53 / DT-45 Norwich be more appropriate for Mystic viewing???

Curious...How does the WEDH Ch 24 Farmington signal compare with the WEDH Ch 24 Avon signal? Over the past week, including this Monday, the signal has been alternating between sites due to an intermittent loss of audio at the Farmington site, hopefully now corrected.

It's anticipated that the decommissioning of the WEDH Ch 24 Avon transmitter could start as early as Monday June 18, 2007...

I solved my PBS HD issue. I got tired of waiting for the FCC to assign WEDH-DT and get the tower up and running so I setup an antenna at the opposite end of my house to just go after WEDN-DT. I can get that channel with my primary UHF antenna but I have to rotate it and thats not practical with a DVR.

I have a clean line into the house into one of my Directv HR20's. It will be my PBS OTA DVR. I have another that will do my other OTA channels. Its a small antenna but its amazing what happens when the antenna is pointed right at Norwich. So the FCC can drag their feet as much as they want at this point as I am fully covered now. Love the prime time PBS programming.

I solved my PBS HD issue. I got tired of waiting for the FCC to assign WEDH-DT and get the tower up and running so I setup an antenna at the opposite end of my house to just go after WEDN-DT. I can get that channel with my primary UHF antenna but I have to rotate it and thats not practical with a DVR.

I have a clean line into the house into one of my Directv HR20's. It will be my PBS OTA DVR. I have another that will do my other OTA channels. Its a small antenna but its amazing what happens when the antenna is pointed right at Norwich. So the FCC can drag their feet as much as they want at this point as I am fully covered now. Love the prime time PBS programming.Just out of curiousity, do you get correct guide data for PBS with that setup?

Approximately 33 meters (108 feet).

Reads like you indicated it's over your head directed to the horizon...If you're that close it's actually very much less, spread over many square miles, not to be confused for an concentrated energy beam weapon...

WEDW Ch 49 1.95 MW ERP
WEDW DT-52 50 KW ERP
WEDW DT-49 50 KW ERP



The heavily congested Northeast TV corridor was a tough nut to crack compounded by the fact the FCC assigned the out of the core DT-52 channel to WEDW Bridgeport. That is why WEDW DT Bridgeport will revert to DT-49 on February 17, 2009+/-.

There were no other options. If challenged, WEDW DT Bridgeport would most likely be dark. Witness the plight of WEDH DT Hartford...enough said...

WEDW Ch 49 / DT-52 has a directional pattern intended primarily to service Southwestern Ct, city of licence Bridgeport, notably primarily the CT shoreline communities from Stamford+/- to New Haven+/-, baring those hills and valleys...

If you're regularly watching WEDW Ch 49 in Mystic, nice. Are you able to watch WEDW DT-52 too?

At the moment, wouldn't WEDN Ch 53 / DT-45 Norwich be more appropriate for Mystic viewing???

Curious...How does the WEDH Ch 24 Farmington signal compare with the WEDH Ch 24 Avon signal? Over the past week, including this Monday, the signal has been alternating between sites due to an intermittent loss of audio at the Farmington site, hopefully now corrected.

It's anticipated that the decommissioning of the WEDH Ch 24 Avon transmitter could start as early as Monday June 18, 2007... I wanted to put in what I see in Groton. I can see 52 from my tower. Ch 49 analog WEDW sometimes intereferes with WLNE DT UHF 49. I have an antenna that corrects this 99% of the time. I think once it becomes digi on 49, it will not be a problem because the power level from the stonger station will win out in the reciever. The problem with it now I think is two types of signals mixing and the analog video carrier looks like an ATSC pilot in the random digital stack. IMO. My experience with WEDH UHF 24 from the Groton antenna is that when on avon mountain, was always a bit snowy and UHF ch 26 WHPX had been a huge source of interference that I could not get rid of no matter what antenna I used or equipment I tried. Since the move to Farmington I have a clear picture 5dBmV and have nulled the WHPX signal out of ch 24 by rejecting the 26 signal. A slight move to the right with one of the two antennas did the trick. I was surprized to see that the transmitter is in operation for only 12 hours. Thought that was only WEDN that did that.

Just out of curiousity, do you get correct guide data for PBS with that setup?

Yes. The complication is more of the fact that I have 3 antennas. 1 is UHF pointed to Hartford, 1 is VHF pointed to New Haven and 1 is Both pointed towards Norwich. I have the Hartford UHF and New Haven VHF combined to 1 feed that goes into the HR20 and HD Tivo. The 2nd HR20 gets the Norwich feed only. The program guide on the HR20 gets WEDN-DT no problem.

I solved my PBS HD issue. I got tired of waiting for the FCC to assign WEDH-DT and get the tower up and running so I setup an antenna at the opposite end of my house to just go after WEDN-DT. I can get that channel with my primary UHF antenna but I have to rotate it and thats not practical with a DVR.

I have a clean line into the house into one of my Directv HR20's. It will be my PBS OTA DVR. I have another that will do my other OTA channels. Its a small antenna but its amazing what happens when the antenna is pointed right at Norwich. So the FCC can drag their feet as much as they want at this point as I am fully covered now. Love the prime time PBS programming.

Yes, WEDN DT-45 Norwich does just make it into Hartford. But don't give up the root, root, root for the home team...There will be a WEDH DT-45 Hartford and a WEDN DT-9 Norwich...

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I wanted to put in what I see in Groton. I can see 52 from my tower. Ch 49 analog WEDW sometimes intereferes with WLNE DT UHF 49. I have an antenna that corrects this 99% of the time. I think once it becomes digi on 49, it will not be a problem because the power level from the stonger station will win out in the reciever. The problem with it now I think is two types of signals mixing and the analog video carrier looks like an ATSC pilot in the random digital stack. IMO.

We noted a somewhat similar problem awhile back trying to get WEDN DT-45 Norwich, WEDW Ch 49 / DT-52 Bridgeport at ComSite Farmington, noting WUVN DT-46 Hartford, WUTH-CA Ch 47 Hartford, WRNT-LP Ch 48 Hartford and WEDN Ch 53 Norwich bombs in there too.

A small uhf corner reflector for WEDN DT-45 on the East side of the complex, building providing enough shielding from WUVN DT-46.

A small uhf corner reflector for WEDW DT-52 was temporally mounted on a pole truck on the West side of the complex, building providing enough shielding from WEDN Ch 53 Norwich.

So what you're doing is right on...


My experience with WEDH UHF 24 from the Groton antenna is that when on avon mountain, was always a bit snowy and UHF ch 26 WHPX had been a huge source of interference that I could not get rid of no matter what antenna I used or equipment I tried. Since the move to Farmington I have a clear picture 5dBmV and have nulled the WHPX signal out of ch 24 by rejecting the 26 signal. A slight move to the right with one of the two antennas did the trick. I was surprized to see that the transmitter is in operation for only 12 hours. Thought that was only WEDN that did that.

Good to hear improvement.

?12? hours. Currently CPBI tv OTA transmitters operate 17.5 +/- hours a day.
M-Sat 6:45 AM-12 AM
Sun 7 AM- 12 AM

There is some discussion of testing viability of offering WEDH CH 24 24/7 OTA...

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Just out of curiousity, do you get correct guide data for PBS with that setup?

Hope so, although TVGuide sometimes is a bit ?problematic?

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Yes. The complication is more of the fact that I have 3 antennas. 1 is UHF pointed to Hartford, 1 is VHF pointed to New Haven and 1 is Both pointed towards Norwich. I have the Hartford UHF and New Haven VHF combined to 1 feed that goes into the HR20 and HD Tivo. The 2nd HR20 gets the Norwich feed only. The program guide on the HR20 gets WEDN-DT no problem.

OOOH...CPBI is awaiting for program test authority for WEDY DT-6 New Haven too...

Yes, WEDN DT-45 Norwich does just make it into Hartford. But don't give up the root, root, root for the home team...There will be a WEDH DT-45 Hartford and a WEDN DT-9 Norwich...

We will see WEDH-DT when the FCC is forced to just like the Supreme Court ruling allowing curse word slips. Quite frankly, I've given up on the FCC doing anything for the common good. So I wouldnt be at all surprised if its not 2009. Sorry just looking at their track record.

We will see WEDH-DT when the FCC is forced to just like the Supreme Court ruling allowing curse word slips. Quite frankly, I've given up on the FCC doing anything for the common good. So I wouldnt be at all surprised if its not 2009. Sorry just looking at their track record.

Gave up holding breath, letting others due that. Now that WEDH Ch 24 Hartford testing has been completed, application for license scheduled for filing this week.

Then WEDH DT-45 Hartford / WEDN DT-9 Norwich, with more filings afoot with some talk of requesting early turn-on likely sooner than later. Or was that sooner or later? Some thinking CP may come in Fall. Note I didn't say which year. Keep breathing...

I have decided to write this letter to Tivo. I am just wondering if anyone has any suggestions. Did I leave out something?


To Tivo Corporation,

I am going to try to give you all the details you need to troubleshoot the problem I am having with my one day old Tivo Series 3.

1) I am using a roof top antenna, no cable TV at all.

2) My brand new Tivo Series 3 will not display my local ABC channel 8. When I tune to 8.1, I get the channel banner but no picture.

3) The guide data for channel 8.1 is correct and the signal level meter shows that my roof mounted antenna is providing a 97 signal level.

4) Bypassing the Tivo and hooking the television directly to the roof top antenna, provides a picture when tuned to channel 8.1.

To get the Tivo to display channel 8.1, I have to tune to channel 10.3. Something is very wrong. My zip code is 06787, if that helps you figure out this problem. 1.5 hours on the phone with Tivo support only resulted in being told to reboot. That was a waste of time.

With the Tivo, although I can watch channel 8.1 by tuning to channel 10.3, there is no guide data for channel 10.3. It only says “Regular programming” and it says that in every time slot for each day. Therefore, seasons passes for programs on channel 8.1 are not possible. I get all the other local channels just fine.

Should I get the Series 3 Tivo replaced or is there something else going on here?

I have decided to write this letter to Tivo. I am just wondering if anyone has any suggestions. Did I leave out something?


To Tivo Corporation,

I am going to try to give you all the details you need to troubleshoot the problem I am having with my one day old Tivo Series 3.

1) I am using a roof top antenna, no cable TV at all.

2) My brand new Tivo Series 3 will not display my local ABC channel 8. When I tune to 8.1, I get the channel banner but no picture.They will likely advise you to get an antenna "booster" because it is a weak signal problem. No one else has reported such a problem so it is obvious you are doing something wrong. If you get past the first layer and into the lower regions of tech support, you will be told they are working on it and they will call you when they're good and ready. If you call back after a couple of months of hearing nothing, they will tell you that you are just confusing the issue by calling all the time, that the Tivo engineers are working with "the cable company" on the problem, and they will call you when they're good and ready. WHATEVER YOU DO at that point, do NOT try to explain the difference between cable TV and off-the-air; this identifies you as a "difficult" customer.

BTW don't re-scan channels. You will probably lose 10.3 and have nothing at all.

John,
My antenna is not up nearly as high as but in Mystic I get the new channel 24 without noticeable interference from channel 26. How about a channel 26 deletion filter or just get the signal from channel 53?
On the channel 31 problem, some digital receivers perform badly in the presence of analog interference but newer ones do much better. Some have better analog carrier rejection filtering than others. John I have been able to pull in the signal without ch 26 giving me a problem by pointing one of the 2 antennas south by 3 degrees and then peaking the antenna set on the 24 signal. Picture quality is good. I wanted to get away from 53 because they shut off at night and the signal seems to always give me ghosting. I went to several different antennas and two different locations to clear it up and couldnt so when I was able to see the 24 signal, I went to that. I have both now and found ch 53 comes on before 24 does sometimes in the morning so the 24 hour hope was lost on that on but I guess WEDH may have it in the works. So now I have reliable picture quality as compared to using WEDN, I never knew when it would go out. Sorry guys. I know you work hard on keeping it on the air. Ch 31 problem I think is resolved. I have 3 antennas combined for the signal now. 1 is at the top of the tower another about 15 feet lower and another just about 5 feet lower.I combined the 2 antennas that were equaly spaced and then combined the third into that combined signal and I have not had even as much as a blip since. I realy think it did it by not allowing 31 WUHF to gain into all 3 antennasat once while WTIC DT does show a gain combined. The amp is also no longer connected. Talk soon, John

I have decided to write this letter to Tivo. I am just wondering if anyone has any suggestions. Did I leave out something?


To Tivo Corporation,

I am going to try to give you all the details you need to troubleshoot the problem I am having with my one day old Tivo Series 3.

1) I am using a roof top antenna, no cable TV at all.

2) My brand new Tivo Series 3 will not display my local ABC channel 8. When I tune to 8.1, I get the channel banner but no picture.

3) The guide data for channel 8.1 is correct and the signal level meter shows that my roof mounted antenna is providing a 97 signal level.

4) Bypassing the Tivo and hooking the television directly to the roof top antenna, provides a picture when tuned to channel 8.1.

To get the Tivo to display channel 8.1, I have to tune to channel 10.3. Something is very wrong. My zip code is 06787, if that helps you figure out this problem. 1.5 hours on the phone with Tivo support only resulted in being told to reboot. That was a waste of time.

With the Tivo, although I can watch channel 8.1 by tuning to channel 10.3, there is no guide data for channel 10.3. It only says “Regular programming” and it says that in every time slot for each day. Therefore, seasons passes for programs on channel 8.1 are not possible. I get all the other local channels just fine.

Should I get the Series 3 Tivo replaced or is there something else going on here?

Although it's been indicated no one else seems to have experienced your Tivo Series 3 problem, your DTV apparently substantiated that, I have seen corrupted PSIP date occur during the scanning process.

What does you DTV receive when manually tuned to 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, etc., and 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc., for comparison? That may shed shed some light.

Since 8 & 10 are programed by the same NH TV Station, known to have had PSIP issues in the very recent past and had reconfigured channels between 8 and 10, I wouldn't put it past that there may still be an issue with them.

I would suggest the opposite of previous posted suggestion. I would delete all of 8 and all of 10 and then only enter 10.1 first manually. Then see if you get the all the sub channels with their PSIP changing back to 8.1, etc.

Some TV stations "announce" the digital channels in their analog OTA XDS data and again "announce" the analog channel in the digital OTA PSIP. If your Tvio Series 3 has both an NTSC and an ATSC tuner, the too tables if not correct could cause a similar problem.

So try a manual tune to the DTV channel, and see if the PSIP corrects itself. Add channel.

Then try a manual tune to the analog 8.0 NTSC channel. See if it screws up the 8.1 channel. If not, add channel.

Follow through and report...

Should I get the Series 3 Tivo replaced or is there something else going on here?Replacing the S3 with another S3 will not solve the problem, as there is indeed something else going on. This thread has had discussion on it. Try starting here: (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10339822&&#post10339822)

Similar issues have been discussed over at TCF, from different geographic areas. TiVo is certainly aware of the problem, and has been said to be working on a solution, but as far as when that may happen, no one knows.

OMG I'm not the only one. lol I've been struggling with figuring out what is wrong with WTHN for a month now. Glad I found this post. I've also emailed the station, but have gotten no answer. I watch my ABC on 40-1, but would prefer the CT local stuff.

Aren't broadcasters required by the FCC to deliver properly formatted signals?

I live in South Windsor and have had fair success with OTA using a 4 bay Chan nel Master in my attic. No signal with Fox digital 61-1. I just had a H20 (model 600) installed along with the slimline dish. Disconnected my preamp, connected the antenna (attic) to the H20 and now get 10 "locals" with excellent rec eption. Stations 3-1,8-1,20-1,22-1,30-1,40-1,57-1,61-1 and two others.

I live in South Windsor and have had fair success with OTA using a 4 bay Chan nel Master in my attic. No signal with Fox digital 61-1. I just had a H20 (model 600) installed along with the slimline dish. Disconnected my preamp, connected the antenna (attic) to the H20 and now get 10 "locals" with excellent rec eption. Stations 3-1,8-1,20-1,22-1,30-1,40-1,57-1,61-1 and two others.

The H20-600 has the 5th generation LG chip in it, the best on the market, so far. I hope you have better luck with the H20 than I had with mine. It can be a glitchy box, but when it works right, it is very good.

OMG I'm not the only one. lol I've been struggling with figuring out what is wrong with WTHN for a month now. Glad I found this post. I've also emailed the station, but have gotten no answer. I watch my ABC on 40-1, but would prefer the CT local stuff.

Aren't broadcasters required by the FCC to deliver properly formatted signals?

First...The FCC has too much to due just to get DTV broadcasters on air...before February 17, 2009...They are buried in a paper work nightmare...Just wait till consumers wake up and realize what is going to happen to OTA TV...

So far I haven't seen or heard any federal public service announcements on TV or Radio concerning OTA analog TV changing to digital TV. Although lately, better late than never, I have seen the warning stickers beginning to show up on analog sets.

Your are surely not alone with your delimma.

The initial implementation of the PSIP data was convoluted at best IMOO. Allot was learned over the past 10 years, but evidently not enough to keep the problems from resurfacing with each new introduction of consumer equipment.

The manor in which each manufactures next generation of DTVs, DVRs & Stabs react compared to the previous generation is interesting to note:

For example when the cable companies refused to pass the OTA DTV PSIP and substituted their own, some tuners within the same manufacturer display open cable QAM as three digits like 200 or 82.1. Then the cable companies rearranged the OTA virtual channels reflecting the OTA DTV like 8.1. Yet some DTVs and Stabs are still displaying 82.1 or screwed up like 0.0 for a couple of days until they get it corrected.

That's why forum members qualify responses to whether questionable problem exist for "OTA" or "CableTV"

Then broadcasters are informed that the PSIP equipment they had previously purchased is now obsolete due to a standard or rule change or the manufacturer gives up support for equipment that may be less than a couple of years old...and that equipment is not inexpensive by any means...Install new equipment and all configurations must be rebuilt from scratch due to incompatibilities with previous system...It's not an automatic hands off device...

Too many chiefs in the kitchen mucking with the soup...

"What does you DTV receive when manually tuned to 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, etc., and 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc., for comparison? That may shed shed some light"

I am not sure how to manually tune to digital channels such as 8.1 etc. It seems to me that you can only go to those channels after completing a channel scan.

"I would delete all of 8 and all of 10 and then only enter 10.1 first manually."

How do I delete channels? How do I enter manually?

Then broadcasters are informed that the PSIP equipment they had previously purchased is now obsolete due to a standard or rule change or the manufacturer gives up support for equipment that may be less than a couple of years old...and that equipment is not inexpensive by any means...Install new equipment and all configurations must be rebuilt from scratch due to incompatibilities with previous system...It's not an automatic hands off device...


Based on earlier posts in this thread, equipment replacement seems to be the likely culprit in this case, and for a while a lot of equipment had PSIP problems. But they have obviously continued to twiddle and most tuners that had problems now pick them up. I personally have an old VOOM set top box that was broken and now works, and I've heard other people reporting more success as well.

In defense of WTNH upgrades: I'm all for it. They had absolutely horrendous lip-sync problems as recently as a few months ago, so they clearly had some needs. To their credit, they seem to be trying to improve.

"BTW don't re-scan channels. You will probably lose 10.3 and have nothing at all"

Before reading your post, I had already scanned for channels about four times with the antenna pointing in different directions. 10.3 was there every time.

"BTW don't re-scan channels. You will probably lose 10.3 and have nothing at all"

Before reading your post, I had already scanned for channels about four times with the antenna pointing in different directions. 10.3 was there every time.

I would say you confirmed your own suspicions. 10.1, etc.., are the actual digital channels where as 8.1, etc..., are supposed to be the virtual PSIP remap which evidently you are not getting. So PSIP issues continues...

Curious again if your DTV OTA set when connected to the antenna w/ out Tvio reacts the same way or does that DTV set handle the PSIP differently...

I would say you confirmed your own suspicions. 10.1, etc.., are the actual digital channels where as 8.1, etc..., are supposed to be the virtual PSIP remap which evidently you are not getting. So PSIP issues continues...

Curious again if your DTV OTA set when connected to the antenna w/ out Tvio reacts the same way or does that DTV set handle the PSIP differently...

Yes, I should have made it more clear that WTNH, the ABC affiliate in my area, that is known as channel 8, does in fact broadcast on digital channel 10.

I also should have made it clearer that directly into the TV set, when I tune to 8.1, I do get WTNH with a picture.

The confusing thing is that when using the Tivo, channel 8.1 says that the signal is 97 yet there is no picture. Sorry if I am confusing the issue but I am struggling to understand the whole thing.

Yes, I should have made it more clear that WTNH, the ABC affiliate in my area, that is known as channel 8, does in fact broadcast on digital channel 10.

I also should have made it clearer that directly into the TV set, when I tune to 8.1, I do get WTNH with a picture.

The confusing thing is that when using the Tivo, channel 8.1 says that the signal is 97 yet there is no picture. Sorry if I am confusing the issue but I am struggling to understand the whole thing.

I have the same problem with a FusionHDTV PCI capture card on my Vista Media Center. It can not tune to digital 8-1 despite a good signal on digital allocation 10. So something is wonky with their PSIP.

The confusing thing is that when using the Tivo, channel 8.1 says that the signal is 97 yet there is no picture. Sorry if I am confusing the issue but I am struggling to understand the whole thing.

Similar issue for me, but only for 8.2 using a Direct TV HR20 DVR. Signal strength is solid, but no picture. I actually miss that radar loop, especially this time of year!

Similar issue for me, but only for 8.2 using a Direct TV HR20 DVR. Signal strength is solid, but no picture. I actually miss that radar loop, especially this time of year!I think they moved that radar. Try 59.2.

Similar issue for me, but only for 8.2 using a Direct TV HR20 DVR. Signal strength is solid, but no picture. I actually miss that radar loop, especially this time of year!The company that runs both WTNH and WCTX seems to have moved the weather radar loop to 59_2. The guide data (such as it is) remains on 8_2.

Not clear whether this is another symptom of the problem. More likely they just decided to move it and haven't gotten around to fixing the guide.

I think they moved that radar. Try 59.2.


The company that runs both TANH and WCTX seems to have moved the weather radar loop to 59_2. The guide data (such as it is) remains on 8_2.

Not clear whether this is another symptom of the problem. More likely they just decided to move it and haven't gotten around to fixing the guide.

I wish I could just tune to 59-2. I have the additional problem that the D* HR20 does not scan for OTA statians. Instead, it "looks them up" from some D* database once you enter your zip code. So, until D* updates their DB with the available OTA stations for CT, and that may rely on accurate PSIP data (don't really know), I won't be able to tune to 59-2. A definite short coming of this box.

Is there anyone here able to receive digital channel 8.1 - WTNH out of Hartford Connecticut, with a TIVO SERIES 3 and an OTA antenna?

On mine, I get a signal level of 99-100 on 8.1 but no picture at all. Hook the antenna directly to the TV and tune 8.1 and the picture is perfect.

Is there anyone here able to receive digital channel 8.1 - WTNH out of Hartford Connecticut, with a TIVO SERIES 3 and an OTA antenna?I believe earlier in this thread someone claimed to know someone who swapped out his s3 for a new one and was then able to get 8.1. The poster was asked to confirm that but did not respond. Otherwise, as far as I know the answer to your question is "no."

Soo my Dad and Stepmom just got a 40" Sony LCD HDTV. And I keep on telling my dad to get HD because there would be no point in having the HDTV.

He called Metrocast, his cable provider, and they told him he has to get a DVR if he wants HDTV.

Is this true?

Soo my Dad and Stepmom just got a 40" Sony LCD HDTV. And I keep on telling my dad to get HD because there would be no point in having the HDTV.

He called Metrocast, his cable provider, and they told him he has to get a DVR if he wants HDTV.

Is this true?

Not necessarily. They may be able to get local hd channels just by using the QAM tuner in the tv, if it has one. It likely does. To get the full hd lineup, they need an hd set top box. Metrocast may not have an hd box that isn't a dvr. Check their website to find that out.

I just purchased a Channel Master CM 3021 4 Bay Bowtie UHF Antenna from Solid Signal. I just switched to Cox cable and got HD with my subscription. no longer need this antenna. Anyone interested in buying it? I am in he Southington Area. also have th satelite extension as well. $35.00 or best offer. Anyone interested?
Thanks,
Tim

Soo my Dad and Stepmom just got a 40" Sony LCD HDTV. And I keep on telling my dad to get HD because there would be no point in having the HDTV.

He called Metrocast, his cable provider, and they told him he has to get a DVR if he wants HDTV.

Is this true?

Plug the coax cable from the wall directly into your CABLE jack on the back of the TV. No DVR or converter box in the middle.

Then go into the MENU and do an ANALOG/DIGITAL channel scan for the cabletv input. You may need to push the ANT button on your remote to switch from Over the air (ANTENNA jack) back and forth to the Cable tuner.

Hopefully your channel scan will find some local (unscrambled) HD channels from the cable company. If not, you can always buy a small antenna and see if you can pick them up over-the-air.

Or as a last resort, sign up for the DVR and pay the bill.

Is anyone else seeing "No Signal" on 3.3? I have 92% signal but nothing displays. It was working Sunday. 3.1 & 3.2 are good.

Also - Any news at all on PBS Channel 6 DT out of New Haven?? It sure would be nice to get any PBS signal in digital form...

Is anyone else seeing "No Signal" on 3.3? I have 92% signal but nothing displays. It was working Sunday. 3.1 & 3.2 are good.

Also - Any news at all on PBS Channel 6 DT out of New Haven?? It sure would be nice to get any PBS signal in digital form...

What was on 3.3 on Sunday? They had a 24 hr news feed for awhile, but I thought that was taken off.

Channel 6 was on for a while last year, but it was temporary. I'm not sure when it will be on full time.

Who is channel 6 in this case? :O

Who is channel 6 in this case? :O

CPTV from New Haven.

[QUOTE=raoul5788]What was on 3.3 on Sunday? [QUOTE]

It was the 24hr news/weather report.

Also - Any news at all on PBS Channel 6 DT out of New Haven?? It sure would be nice to get any PBS signal in digital form...

WEDY DT-6 New Haven...OTA Testing June2006 through Nov2006.

Currently silent awaiting FCC determination for granting program test authority, the last hurdle prior to applying for license.

WEDY Ch 65 New Haven...Silent as of June2005. Out of core channel, early filing for turning in.

Connecticut Public Broadcasting, Inc. (CPBI) / Connecticut Public Television (CPTV).

Also - Any news at all on PBS Channel 6 DT out of New Haven?? It sure would be nice to get any PBS signal in digital form...

We are still waiting for Program Test Authority from the FCC. Going on a year now. Don't want to rush them, though :rolleyes: .

ALRIGHT, I hope I got the right thread here.

Like I said a few pages ago, my parents got a new 40" Sony Bravia LCD HDTV.

I tried hooking up the cable right to the TV to see if there are any unscrambled HDTV stations, but the TV is telling me there is NO digital signal and that I have to use analog.

I might be doing something wrong here, but I thought Metrocast would have switched to digital by now but it looks like they are still doing analog.

Is this right or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in advance.

ALRIGHT, I hope I got the right thread here.

Like I said a few pages ago, my parents got a new 40" Sony Bravia LCD HDTV.

I tried hooking up the cable right to the TV to see if there are any unscrambled HDTV stations, but the TV is telling me there is NO digital signal and that I have to use analog.

I might be doing something wrong here, but I thought Metrocast would have switched to digital by now but it looks like they are still doing analog.

Is this right or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in advance.

I am guessing that you either connected the cable to the wrong input or you did not use the menu correctly to search for the signal. It WOULD be helpful if you gave us the model number of the tv and what town your parents are located in.

Ohh right right right.

They live in Quaker Hill (which is in Waterford) and the model number is KDL-40V2500.

And I hooked the cable right to the back of the TV. And I am searching for the signal by hitting menu, settings, digital, auto program for digital channels.

Ohh right right right.

They live in Quaker Hill (which is in Waterford) and the model number is KDL-40V2500.

And I hooked the cable right to the back of the TV. And I am searching for the signal by hitting menu, settings, digital, auto program for digital channels.

Well, that tv does have a qam tuner, which will tune unscrambled digital channels, and there are locals in hd on Metrocast in their town, but the stations may not be unscrambled, although they are with most cable companies. There is only one rf input, so you can't connect it to the wrong one, and it sounds like you are searching correctly. My best guess is that they do need to use the cable companies stb.

Yeah, I figured it out.

I got one HD channel. NBC, 67.2.

If you know, what are the other HD channels in the area? I think 67.1 is, but it's

Thanks.

I believe that FCC requires cable companies to leave locals "in the clear" or unscrambled.

BoSoxmole,

I can't remember them all but you will find Clear QAM channels
on

63 has ABC HD
65 has CBS and PBS HD
67 has FOX and NBC HD
71 has TV Guide digital and WFSB NewsNow
79 has 45 music stations

Good Luck !

BoSoxmole,

I can't remember them all but you will find Clear QAM channels
on

63 has ABC HD
65 has CBS and PBS HD
67 has FOX and NBC HD
71 has TV Guide digital and WFSB NewsNow
79 has 45 music stations

Good Luck !


I never tried, but is there something different one must do to listen to the Clear QAM 79 45 music channels? w/ my STB I detect a clear QAM channel (doesn't say scrambled or low signal - signal usually pegged good, but with no displayed picture and no audible sound. Thought it might be audio that was encypted or something...

No nothing different then any other Clear QAM .

I never tried, but is there something different one must do to listen to the Clear QAM 79 45 music channels? w/ my STB I detect a clear QAM channel (doesn't say scrambled or low signal - signal usually pegged good, but with no displayed picture and no audible sound. Thought it might be audio that was encypted or something...

Music channels shouldn't really be clear QAM, as you need to subscribe to them to get them.

I have a quick question about antennas. I've had a roof mounted DB4 from Antennas Direct for the last few years and it has been good for a majority of my channels. There are only two channels that I can't get a strong signal from, I usually average around 60 on the signal meter.

DB4:
http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB4_HDTV_antenna.html

Does anyone think I'd get a more consistant signal from a bigger antenna like this one? Or is it possibly a step down?
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4228.htm

From Antennaweb
* yellow - uhf WVIT-DT 30.1 NBC NEW BRITAIN CT 242° 17.9 35
* yellow - vhf WTXX-DT 20.1 CW WATERBURY CT 243° 17.8 12
* yellow - uhf WTIC-DT 31.1 FOX HARTFORD CT 243° 17.8 31
* yellow - uhf WFSB-DT 3.1 CBS HARTFORD CT 255° 13.7 33
* yellow - uhf WEDH-DT 45 PBS HARTFORD CT 243° 17.8 45
* yellow - uhf WUVN-DT 18.1 UNI HARTFORD CT 254° 13.5 46
* yellow - vhf WWLP-DT 22.1 NBC SPRINGFIELD MA 349° 16.2 11
* red - vhf WTNH-DT 10.1 ABC NEW HAVEN CT 226° 36.7 10
* blue - uhf WGBY-DT 57.1 PBS SPRINGFIELD MA 5° 25.8 58
* violet - uhf WGGB-DT 40.1 ABC SPRINGFIELD MA 5° 25.8 55
* violet - uhf WCTX-DT 59.1 MNT NEW HAVEN CT 226° 36.7 39

The two channels I have trouble with are 57.1 and 59.1

I have a quick question about antennas. I've had a roof mounted DB4 from Antennas Direct for the last few years and it has been good for a majority of my channels. There are only two channels that I can't get a strong signal from, I usually average around 60 on the signal meter.

DB4:
http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB4_HDTV_antenna.html

Does anyone think I'd get a more consistant signal from a bigger antenna like this one? Or is it possibly a step down?
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4228.htm

From Antennaweb
* yellow - uhf WVIT-DT 30.1 NBC NEW BRITAIN CT 242° 17.9 35
* yellow - vhf WTXX-DT 20.1 CW WATERBURY CT 243° 17.8 12
* yellow - uhf WTIC-DT 31.1 FOX HARTFORD CT 243° 17.8 31
* yellow - uhf WFSB-DT 3.1 CBS HARTFORD CT 255° 13.7 33
* yellow - uhf WEDH-DT 45 PBS HARTFORD CT 243° 17.8 45
* yellow - uhf WUVN-DT 18.1 UNI HARTFORD CT 254° 13.5 46
* yellow - vhf WWLP-DT 22.1 NBC SPRINGFIELD MA 349° 16.2 11
* red - vhf WTNH-DT 10.1 ABC NEW HAVEN CT 226° 36.7 10
* blue - uhf WGBY-DT 57.1 PBS SPRINGFIELD MA 5° 25.8 58
* violet - uhf WGGB-DT 40.1 ABC SPRINGFIELD MA 5° 25.8 55
* violet - uhf WCTX-DT 59.1 MNT NEW HAVEN CT 226° 36.7 39

The two channels I have trouble with are 57.1 and 59.1

I am in Connecticut and I chose the Winegard PR-8800 based on the gain curves in this chart. What I like about it is that it has excellent gain on even the low channels channel 10.1.

Channel 59.1 is actually on frequency 39 so it is a good choice.

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html

I am in Thomaston Connecticut and I get 59.1 at a signal of 91-93

Music channels shouldn't really be clear QAM, as you need to subscribe to them to get them.

I guess that would explain the silence.

Thank you.

I have a quick question about antennas. I've had a roof mounted DB4 from Antennas Direct for the last few years and it has been good for a majority of my channels. There are only two channels that I can't get a strong signal from, I usually average around 60 on the signal meter.

DB4:
http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB4_HDTV_antenna.html

Does anyone think I'd get a more consistant signal from a bigger antenna like this one? Or is it possibly a step down?
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4228.htm

From Antennaweb
* yellow - uhf WVIT-DT 30.1 NBC NEW BRITAIN CT 242° 17.9 35
* yellow - vhf WTXX-DT 20.1 CW WATERBURY CT 243° 17.8 12
* yellow - uhf WTIC-DT 31.1 FOX HARTFORD CT 243° 17.8 31
* yellow - uhf WFSB-DT 3.1 CBS HARTFORD CT 255° 13.7 33
* yellow - uhf WEDH-DT 45 PBS HARTFORD CT 243° 17.8 45
* yellow - uhf WUVN-DT 18.1 UNI HARTFORD CT 254° 13.5 46
* yellow - vhf WWLP-DT 22.1 NBC SPRINGFIELD MA 349° 16.2 11
* red - vhf WTNH-DT 10.1 ABC NEW HAVEN CT 226° 36.7 10
* blue - uhf WGBY-DT 57.1 PBS SPRINGFIELD MA 5° 25.8 58
* violet - uhf WGGB-DT 40.1 ABC SPRINGFIELD MA 5° 25.8 55
* violet - uhf WCTX-DT 59.1 MNT NEW HAVEN CT 226° 36.7 39

The two channels I have trouble with are 57.1 and 59.1

I would try this Pre Amplifier first.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=SAP8700

Ed... ;)

...There are only two channels that I can't get a strong signal from, I usually average around 60 on the signal meter...

The two channels I have trouble with are 57.1 and 59.1

I'm in East Windsor, and if I remember correctly from your posts several months ago, you live in a town near mine, like Enfield. I have the 4228 mounted on a tripod indoors near a large window that faces west (due to apartment restrictions on outdoor aerials and satellite dishes). I can receive most area digital channels fine but, like you, I have trouble getting 57.1, Springfield's PBS station.

Although indoors, my 4228 can pull in digital Channel 8 from New Haven and digital Channel 20 from Farmington. Neither of the two indoor antennas that I tried earlier this year could do that. I don't usually watch Channel 59 (digital 39-1), but I believe that their broadcast antenna is mounted lower on Channel 8's tower in Hamden, so their coverage area doesn't extend as far as 8's.

The set-top antennas that I tried couldn't consistently lock on Springfield's digital ABC40. I'd lose picture and sound several times in the course of a few minutes. With the 4228 I can now get ABC40 without any break-ups. It is broadcasting from the same mountain as PBS 57 (Mount Tom). But for some reason, no matter how much I adjust the antenna in that northerly direction, the receiver displays 57.1 as a black screen with the "Weak or No Signal" message. Other forum members report no problems with 57.1, including a viewer from Ellington, but his antenna is mounted on a very tall mast.

You are not alone in experiencing reception problems with WGBY-DT in the Enfield/East Windsor area.

I guess that would explain the silence.

Thank you.


They are there, I have 2 Sony TV's and a Tivo S3 that gets them in the clear.

You are not alone in experiencing reception problems with WGBY-DT in the Enfield/East Windsor area.
- Thanks for the confirm. I'm actually closer to the South Windsor line. There were a few very helpful posters in a thread I made before posting here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=872826

WFSB is moving into their new studio in Rocky Hill as I type. I beleive the newscasts start from there in a week or two... anyone know if they will be in HD?

WFSB is moving into their new studio in Rocky Hill as I type. I beleive the newscasts start from there in a week or two... anyone know if they will be in HD?
My company (Konover Construction) was the General Contractor of the new studio! We still maintain a presence there, so I'm trying to find out if they've spotted any HD cameras there. If I find out, I'll post.

My company (Konover Construction) was the General Contractor of the new studio! We still maintain a presence there, so I'm trying to find out if they've spotted any HD cameras there. If I find out, I'll post.

I can't believe they would spend the kind of money a new studio would require and not go with hd.

I can't believe they would spend the kind of money a new studio would require and not go with hd.
And, didn't they tape at least one news promo in HD within the last few months??

I can't believe they would spend the kind of money a new studio would require and not go with hd.


If somebody would built a new studio now, that is not HD, they would have to be idiots. Frankly, there is almost no SD only pro equipment sold nowadays. Everything is pretty much HD compatible.

And, didn't they tape at least one news promo in HD within the last few months??


I believe that they have at least 2 HD promos.

I have no doubt the new studio must be HD ready, but it doesn't necessarily mean they will broadcast in HD. Hopefully we can get some confirmation soon. Even if it was just the studio shots and they slowly added mobile HD I'd be happy.

Here is a quote from a Channel 3 engineer that was posted on this forum on February 5th:

No you were not seeing things. WFSB did air an "Eyewitness News" promo in HD. Over the last couple of months, WFSB has been upgrading our equipment (from cameras, editing to encoders) to provide more HD content. You will see more local HD content in the near future as a result of this.

...As always if there are any comments or questions please do not hesitate to email me at

wfsbengineering@wfsb.com

Thanks for the continued support.

I noticed back on Thursday, June 28th that a vast improvement occurred on Channel 3-1. The station always passed through CBS hi-def network programming OK, but before 6/28, watching the channel whenever it was in standard digital was like having a tinted gray glass in front on the screen. The colors red, yellow, and green were so subdued as to almost be non-existent. It was as if these colors were "dialed down" to barely register during local airtime or during the non-HD network feed.

A Kaoud Brothers oriental carpet commercial that ran on 3-1 closed with the owner using a carpet as a putting green. On 3-1 the carpet appeared to be gray, but the same commercial running on Channel 30-1 showed that there was green in the carpet design. The temperature numbers on Channel 3's weather map used to look like they were a very pale yellow - almost to the point of being white. After June 28th it was clear that they were a bold yellow. The picture of the "fake" newsroom used as a backdrop behind their anchor desk used to look completely blue, but after June 28th the small green LED readouts below the monitors became noticeable. The color red now stands out more prominently in their graphics and on clothing.

Earlier that week forum members were posting that 3-3 had disappeared. But when 3-3 returned on that Thursday, the main channel 3-1 had gone from looking like it was at times nearly in black-and-white to looking like it was finally including the full spectrum of color. I don't know if they did some tweaking with their three sub-channels or some swapping out of equipment, but their standard digital broadcasts now look much better than they did before that last week in June.

Could the new studios in Rocky Hill have anything to do with that?

If I'm not mistaken, June 28th was the day WFSB switched the Master Control operation from Hartford to Rocky Hill.

BTW, the Kaouds used to have their commercials produced at WFSB but they now have a mini studio in the West Hartford store and shoot their own with cameras that are comparable to those that are used by cable access stations.

At the end of Channel 3's public affairs program "Face The State" today (Sunday), anchor Dennis House announced that it was the last time that "Face The State" would be done at Broadcast House.

He said that starting next Sunday (July 22nd), the program would originate in their new "state-of-the-art" facility in Rocky Hill. Since that program is normally pre-taped on a Friday, it looks like the new studios will be in use by the end of this week.

Will their move over to Rocky Hill result in any downtime with their over-the-air digital 33 signal or cable feeds? (Assuming that some obvious fine tuning needs to be done between Rocky Hill and Avon Mountain.) :confused:

What happened to WTIC and WTXX new digital antennas on the top of the tower?
Want to change from Charter to dishnetwork but can't until I can get a reliable signal from them as Dish doesn't offer them on the satellite. I am figuring tribune doesn't want to spend the money until they have to.

Since their signal could potentially extend beyond the U.S. border into Canada, WTIC was waiting for the Canadian government to approve a modification that the station made to their application. Back in May, the FCC granted Fox61 a six-month extension, giving them until November 18th to have the antenna installed.

Also in May, the FCC "scolded" WTXX. If I understand it correctly, although WTXX-DT is currently on digital channel 12 (VHF), they want to broadcast their digital version permanently on channel 20 (UHF) after the analog shut-off in 2009. The FCC wants CW20 to either select a new transmitter site that won't interfere with another station, or to submit an acceptable application to change their DTV construction permits. Needless to say, this looks like it will take a long time to resolve.

Add to that the possibility that the billionaire who took Tribune private may put the chain of television stations up for sale, as he plans to do with the Tribune-owned Chicago Cubs once the baseball season ends.

To KML-224: I'm guessing that Channel 3's fine tuning has already been done, given that 'docbone' mentioned that programming already has been routed through Master Control in Rocky Hill since late June. Airtime is so valuable that most stations periodically sign off at 2AM to do routine maintenance on their equipment, and then sign back on at 5AM, so downtime goes unnoticed by most of the audience.

Although 3-1's color has improved, I still notice graininess in their picture. I don't know if that's due to microwave transmission or due to their dividing the digital stream into three channels. I checked their 6PM newscast for any update on the day that they begin broadcasting Eyewitness News from Rocky Hill. A blog on their website says that it will definitely be next week, but no specific day has been announced (and no mention if they will be doing local programs in HD right off the bat). On this evening's newscast, the anchors almost looked like they were sitting in front of a green screen, and that the set wall behind them was 'virtual'. There seemed to be a chroma-key effect between the outline of their shoulders and the background.

Yes, that was mentioned already at another board. The backdrop behind Terzi, D'Acenzo, House, et al. is chromakeyed in place. Their newer building is 333 Capitol Boulevard in Rocky Hill, near Exit 23 of I-91.

Yes, that was mentioned already at another board. The backdrop behind Terzi, D'Acenzo, House, et al. is chromakeyed in place. Their newer building is 333 Capitol Boulevard in Rocky Hill, near Exit 23 of I-91.

A minor detail, but it's 333 Capital Boulevard (capital with an "a"). Don't ask me why.

Since we've all mentioned channel 3/D 33 all week long, how about this? How long has WTNH-TV (ABC) channel 8/D 10 been at the corner of Elm, State and Grand Streets in New Haven? :)

P.S. I'm not counting when channel 59/D 39 (MY) moved in with them.

Well, that tv does have a qam tuner, which will tune unscrambled digital channels, and there are locals in hd on Metrocast in their town, but the stations may not be unscrambled, although they are with most cable companies. There is only one rf input, so you can't connect it to the wrong one, and it sounds like you are searching correctly. My best guess is that they do need to use the cable companies stb.


Metrocast does not scramble the local HD channels: I can get WFSB-DT, WVIT-DT, WEDN-DT and WLNE-DT without encryption on my set here in New London

What about WTNH-DT (ABC) from New Haven or WTIC-DT (FOX) from Hartford?

Metrocast does NOT carry WTNH-DT, but it DOES carry WTIC-DT: Apparently, WLNE-Dt didn't give Metrocast the problems that WTNH did, and WLNE has always been on the Metrocast system

Is WFSB dropping out for everyone else during Big Brother all the time? The signal stays strong, but there are far too frequent <1s drops of content.

Still no HD news from WFSB this morning. I wonder if we either are not getting it or the HD equipment is still being tweaked/implemented.

Is WFSB dropping out for everyone else during Big Brother all the time? The signal stays strong, but there are far too frequent <1s drops of content.

I see this quite frequently on Cox cable during BB.

The dropouts on SD upconverts are happening again on both OTA and Comcast. They've also been showing SD for Letterman on a far too frequent basis. What's going on at WFSB??

Since we've all mentioned channel 3/D 33 all week long, how about this? How long has WTNH-TV (ABC) channel 8/D 10 been at the corner of Elm, State and Grand Streets in New Haven? :)

P.S. I'm not counting when channel 59/D 39 (MY) moved in with them.

Circa 1983.

Any update for Channel 61.1 antenna tower?
Why Channel 3.1 got very low signal recently?

Any update for Channel 61.1 antenna tower?


Unexpected good things may be in the works... :)

Stay Tuned!

Unexpected good things may be in the works... :)

Stay Tuned!

TEASE! (How about a little hint?) :D

TEASE! (How about a little hint?) :D

Search recent FCC grants....

TEASE! (How about a little hint?) :D

And when you find it, post it here for the rest of us to read... geeshh :rolleyes:

And when you find it, post it here for the rest of us to read... geeshh :rolleyes:

I know, I know...

I was debating whether to say anything at all, but if I say any more than what has been publicly released, the 'death squad' comes looking for me!

Sorry....

:(

I know, I know...

I was debating whether to say anything at all, but if I say any more than what has been publicly released, the 'death squad' comes looking for me!

Sorry....

:(

It's been granted recently? If it's been released, it's public realm. I searched for a bit on the FCC site. Any longer and it's not worth the time.

This afternoon, I received the Zenith version of a Silver Sensor indoor antenna. Facing the antenna towards the northwest, this is what I get:

WFSB-DT 3-1 (CBS), 3-2 ("CBS 3") and 3-3 ("Eyewitness News Now") --Signal is OK
WTNH-DT 8-1 (ABC) --Signal is very weak
WUVN-DT 18-1 (UNI), 18-2 (UNI WHTX), 18-3 (Telefutura WUTH) --Somewhat decent
WTXX-DT 20-1 (CW), 20-2 ("The Tube") -- Signal is very weak
WVIT-DT 30-1 (NBC), 30-2 ("NBC Weather Plus") --Excellent signal
WTIC-DT 61-1 (FOX) --Excellent signal

I understand that WTNH-DT and WTXX-DT are going to be weak since they are on channel 10 and 12 respectively. When I turned the antenna around towards the south and southwest, I only got marginal results with WCTX-DT 59-1 (MY) and 59-2 (channel 8 radar).

My one other question: Will this antenna work for analog signals as well? I'd like to know before I unhook everything. :)

Hi,
For about 2 weeks now I recieve no signal strength from 8-1, when usually recieve about 69 to 75%. I live in the Enfield area and I'm wondering has anyone else notice a drop in thier signal strength on 8-1

With the Silver Sensor I'm trying out in New Britain, I get almost nothing from WTNH-DT. That's because the antenna is better at UHF and WTNH-DT is on channel 10. With the set of telescoping rods on the TV, their signal is only slightly better, but still watchable. Both antennas have intermittent problems with WCTX-DT (MY) channel 39 (analog 59).

My one other question: Will this antenna work for analog signals as well? I'd like to know before I unhook everything. :)

There is no difference between an "analog antenna" or a "digital antenna" other than the marketing scheme.

The best that I could come up with on the cryptic FCC website is that on July 19, 2007 the agency granted WTIC-DT a minor modification to a construction permit, which expires on 1/19/2008. (CDBS application #998200) Maybe this means that Canada also approved the change.

Combining this news with the six-month extension that the FCC gave the station on May 18th, and "reading between the lines", I am guessing that the antenna might be installed at the top of the tower by late fall (November). This would beat the Commission's deadline and complete the installation before the winter sets in.

It would also allow more time for sister station WTXX-DT to iron out its problems. To save costs, Tribune would probably like to have the two antennas mounted at the same time.

The best that I could come up with on the cryptic FCC website is that on July 19, 2007 the agency granted WTIC-DT a minor modification to a construction permit, which expires on 1/19/2008. (CDBS application #998200) Maybe this means that Canada also approved the change.

Combining this news with the six-month extension that the FCC gave the station on May 18th, and "reading between the lines", I am guessing that the antenna might be installed at the top of the tower by late fall (November). This would beat the Commission's deadline and complete the installation before the winter sets in.

It would also allow more time for sister station WTXX-DT to iron out its problems. To save costs, Tribune would probably like to have the two antennas mounted at the same time.

;)

Gosh I hope WTXX improves. I have a large outdoor antenna and get the majors at 100% but this signal is weak. I know WTIC's new location will help folks but for a temporary configuration I have enjoyed the massive signal for them at my house (Marlborough). No issues at all for the past 3 years.

Now WTNH is another story. What a bunch of jokesters. That signal is all over the place. Strong during the day, weak during prime time, numerous outages over the years, and they seem to f up PSIP info all the time. Completely unreliable digital signal. I know they were the first to go HD in the state but I dunno. WTIC's temp configuration seems more professional to me. Cant wait to see the new antenna mount. And dont get me started on that parent company LIN. Refusing to allow Directv and others to carry their digital station without paying. Trying to hold cable and satellite companies at ransom. If we were allowed a competing ABC they would be gone off my radar.

Now if only WEDH in Hartford would see some results.

Now if only WEDH in Hartford would see some results.

Please don't hold your breath, February 17, 2009, a deadline established by Congress...From the FCC web site:

August 6, 2007-
-FCC Announces Final Assignment of Digital Television Channels. Appendix B

CT BRIDGEPORT 49 49
CT HARTFORD 61 31
CT HARTFORD 3 33
CT HARTFORD 24 45
CT HARTFORD 18 46
CT NEW BRITAIN 30 35
CT NEW HAVEN 65 6
CT NEW HAVEN 8 10
CT NEW HAVEN 59 39
CT NEW LONDON 26 26
CT NORWICH 53 9
CT WATERBURY 20 20

-Media Bureau Extends Deadline for Comments in Third DTV Periodic NPRM to August 15, 2007 and the time for filing reply comments is EXTENDED to August 30, 2007.

I just waded through that 134-page document and noticed this additional information:

Entravision, the owner of Channel 18, objects to CPTV using channel 45 before the analog shut-off. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Company objects to WEDN in Norwich using channel 9 before the analog shut-off. The FCC would consider letting Connecticut Public Broadcasting apply to use channel 45 for digital operations before the analog shut-off if a proposal is adopted. The proposal wouldn't become law until after a comment-seeking period.

For those of us in northern Connecticut who can receive the Springfield channels, after the analog shut-off WGBY (PBS) will move from digital channel 58 to channel 22, which will be vacated by WWLP.

I gave up this year of seeing WEDH-DT until 2009. That whole thing is a train wreck. So I hooked a temp antenna just for WEDN since its in the opposite direction of everything else. I have one DVR setup for this. Not thrilled with it but I can deal while we let the suits and lawyers have their fun.

My Dish 622 receiver finally started getting an OTA signal from 59-1 and 59-2. It's nice to be able to get the weather radar again. I still lose 8-1 and 8-2 almost every night and am not sure if this is due to trees in the way with dew on them or some other factor. Perhaps WTNH lowers their output at night?

I also am now getting only 3-1, no longer 3-2 and 3-3 as I did last week. Is this part of the changes occurring at channel 3?

My Dish 622 receiver finally started getting an OTA signal from 59-1 and 59-2. It's nice to be able to get the weather radar again. I still lose 8-1 and 8-2 almost every night and am not sure if this is due to trees in the way with dew on them or some other factor. Perhaps WTNH lowers their output at night?

I also am now getting only 3-1, no longer 3-2 and 3-3 as I did last week. Is this part of the changes occurring at channel 3?

What antenna are you using? WTNH dt is vhf. I use a Channel Master 4228 which is for uhf, but it picks it up fine.

I'm in New Britain's south end. Even I have problems with WTNH-DT sometimes. If I place an ordinary set of telescoping rods onto my TV, WTNH-DT is fine, since they handle VHF better. I only get WTXX-DT channel 12 since I'm 5 miles (at the most) from Rattlesnake Mountain. WCTX-DT on channel 39 is so-so with that antenna and the Silver Sensor I've been playing around with lately.

My Dish 622 receiver finally started getting an OTA signal from 59-1 and 59-2. It's nice to be able to get the weather radar again. I still lose 8-1 and 8-2 almost every night and am not sure if this is due to trees in the way with dew on them or some other factor. Perhaps WTNH lowers their output at night?

I also am now getting only 3-1, no longer 3-2 and 3-3 as I did last week. Is this part of the changes occurring at channel 3?

I have a rotating VHF only antenna that can get and keep WTNH but I too have noticed over the past 6 years (yep had HD that long) the signal gets significantly weaker at night and prime time. It used to drop below the keep threshold when I was using temporary antennas. The outdoor one is great but I still see it drop so there is something up with WTNH. I think it might be conflicts so they have to lower it at times of the day. I've also seen it completely gone during the day as they must be testing or converting things. Not a few times, but I've seen it down dozens of times of the past 6 years. And LIN is not allowing the channel on Directv. Its like a double slap in the face.

Wow, just re-hooked up my 4228 after moving, and the FCC has me in a lather!

How, exactly, can there be 2 instances of adjoining markets with the same digital assingment? I'm ticked, because I'd much rather grab a fringe WFSB (for me) over WPIX, but they're now both on 35!

What's worse is that they moved it from 12, which conflicted with WTXX. MADNESS!

WFSB-DT uses channel 33 (CBS, CBS 3 Springfield and Eyewitness News Now). Channel 35 is WVIT-DT (NBC and NBC Weather Plus).

Wow, just re-hooked up my 4228 after moving, and the FCC has me in a lather!

How, exactly, can there be 2 instances of adjoining markets with the same digital assingment? I'm ticked, because I'd much rather grab a fringe WFSB (for me) over WPIX, but they're now both on 35!

What's worse is that they moved it from 12, which conflicted with WTXX. MADNESS!

WPIX dt is channel 33, not 35. They will be going back to 11 eventually. In the meantime, you might try putting foil on the back of the 4228. That might block the signals from the rear.

I meant 33, really. Call it "OTA rage" *sigh*

I meant 33, really. Call it "OTA rage" *sigh*

NP. Any fan of Uconn is a friend of mine!

Since DirecTV is ramping up for many new HD channels, I wanted to ask about the Sports Nets in HD. I imagine that if we get the SD version of the Sports Channel, i.e. NESN, YES, SportsNet NY, etc, that the HD version will also be available when they are ready?

Since DirecTV is ramping up for many new HD channels, I wanted to ask about the Sports Nets in HD. I imagine that if we get the SD version of the Sports Channel, i.e. NESN, YES, SportsNet NY, etc, that the HD version will also be available when they are ready?

Yes, you will recieve all of your RSNs in HD from DirecTV, within a few weeks from what I hear.

My parents have a home in Mystic and I was experimenting with analog reception when I visited last (in July). I was using rabbit ears on an older TV (they don't have a digital set there yet).

I have studied the TV Fool plots and coverage maps as well and it seems that Mystic is in a really bad spot, being stuck between Hartford, New Haven and Providence, all at ~52 miles.

It probably doesn't help that they are sandwiched between two local PAX stations that are easy to get. They are also on a direct path to Hartford and Providence respectively, so I'm guessing at least two notch filters will be needed. WEDN is also local, but not directly on the path, so hopefully that won't be a problem.

I'm assuming that they will need something like a CM4228 antenna, along with a CM7777 pre-amp and a rotor, but even with these, I'm not very confident that I will get all of the "locals."

With the $10 rabbit ear/loop combo I was able to at least pick-up some stations (e.g. 6, 8, 10, 12 - barely in most cases), but WFSB at channel 3 was a complete no-go. I know that most of the digital stations are UHF for now, but there are quite a few trees around. WTIC 61 may be the best test, but I could only get the faintest hints of a picture.

Ironically, I was able to pick-up WVEC out of VA, better than some local channels. There must have been a good duct going then. Also, WLIW out of Long Island was strong at times and gone the next.

It's certainly more challenging in Mystic, which makes this a fun project. I haven't been able to get a single "DX range" station at home in CA, but Mystic was quite an interesting spot when the sun went down.

There are a few antennas around and a couple appear new, so perhaps the prospects aren't that poor.

Since DirecTV is ramping up for many new HD channels, I wanted to ask about the Sports Nets in HD. I imagine that if we get the SD version of the Sports Channel, i.e. NESN, YES, SportsNet NY, etc, that the HD version will also be available when they are ready?

Those channels have been in HD on D* for more than a year.

Those channels have been in HD on D* for more than a year.

Not in Connecticut. If you have DirecTV in CT, you currently only get the HD version of YES and SNY. After DirecTV finishes their nationwide HD rollout, all of the RSNs for CT will be available in HD.

Hello everyone, I am new to this forum. I recently bought a Samsung T4061F, it looks great with my xbox 360. Cable HD programming or the lack there of really doesnt interest me that much. I live in an apartment building in Middletown and I really would like to watch some HD football this weekend. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good indoor antenna?

Hello everyone, I am new to this forum. I recently bought a Samsung T4061F, it looks great with my xbox 360. Cable HD programming or the lack there of really doesnt interest me that much. I live in an apartment building in Middletown and I really would like to watch some HD football this weekend. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good indoor antenna?

There really isn't a GOOD indoor antenna, but many have had good results using the Zenith Silver sensor. There are other companies that make a similar antenna. Check at the Radio Shack down the street from you. I am assuming you are in the Sagamore apartments, yes?

There really isn't a GOOD indoor antenna, but many have had good results using the Zenith Silver sensor. There are other companies that make a similar antenna. Check at the Radio Shack down the street from you. I am assuming you are in the Sagamore apartments, yes?

Yup thats my apt building.

Anyone getting Dolby Digital on WFSB hd? I am not getting it ota or from Directv.:mad:

Not here on Charter cable in NWCT

It looks like crap too. A pathetic 13.5Mbps.

I meant 33, really. Call it "OTA rage" *sigh*

After the 2009 transition, BOTH WFSB and WCBS (NYC) will be on channel 33.
If you think it's bad now it will only get worse.

Are they even using the right feed?? WBZ kept on running through to the end in HD. WFSB get bumped to Miami during the extra point and then come back in SD. WFSB truly blows with their usual pathetic 50%-60% of HD quality bitrates, but even their feed choices are screwing us over now.

I am looking to buy a Zenith Silver Sensor indoor antenna, i have checked my local radio shack, best buy and circuit city. I can order one online but i would rather just go to a store and buy it. Does anyone know of a store near Middletown that might carry this particular antenna?

I bought a silver sensor at a job lot near me. I don't know if they still carry it but here is their list of their CT stores:
http://www.oceanstatejoblot.com/osjlprod/locate/state_list.aspx?state=CT

any idea when the PBS antenna is going live? i just asked this question in the hartford - cox forum (as i didn't realise there was one other than this one) and they told me it wasn't live yet. i live in glastonbury and the only OTA channel that i'm not currently able to get is PBS... and i really want it, as it probably has some of the consistently best HD content for free i think...

TIA!

Have you tried CH 57 (DT 58) in Springfield? Good in Wethersfield. Also try CH 53, CPTV (DT 45) towards Norwich, if you are high enough.

Has anyone been getting a signal from WTIC lately? I used to be able to get this station good. Lately their signal strength is below 30 and consequently I get no picture. Has something happened to their antenna?

:confused:

There is no firm date yet to turn on digital Channel 24 over-the-air, and it most likely will not be this year. WEDH's new digital and analog antennas were installed at the top of the tower back in the spring, but the digital transmitter cannot be built until the FCC gives its approval. A CPTV engineer posted that they could have WEDH-DT up and running within four months after the FCC gives the greenlight.

Have you tried CH 57 (DT 58) in Springfield? Good in Wethersfield. Also try CH 53, CPTV (DT 45) towards Norwich, if you are high enough.

thanks, i'll give it a try again... but i've never had any success on previous attempts since i'm just using rabbit ears with a 25db gain.

no luck :( thanks for the info update about PBS too.

BTW - for those that haven't seen it - check out the Google Maps tools for OTA ( http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=821480 )

Excellent, and seem to be quite accurate, in my usage...

Just to get the Hartford thread going again...Any change in the status of Connecticut Public Television and WEDH-DT?

I was wondering about WTIC and WTXX. Not a word from Achase after the tease he gave us.

Just to get the Hartford thread going again...Any change in the status of Connecticut Public Television and WEDH-DT?


In a word: Nope

Based on earlier posts in this thread, equipment replacement seems to be the likely culprit in this case, and for a while a lot of equipment had PSIP problems. But they have obviously continued to twiddle and most tuners that had problems now pick them up. I personally have an old VOOM set top box that was broken and now works, and I've heard other people reporting more success as well.

I'm also using a VOOM box to scan OTA digital channels, and I'm experiencing the same problems that many Series 3 TiVo owners were experiencing with WTNH, with the general consensus being that it was a PSIP error.

I just started receiving OTA digital about a month ago, so I'm still learning. All the other locals seem to come in fine, but with WTNH, even though the signal strength is 95%, the VOOM box won't see the channel.

Markgo, or anybody else, is your Voom Box or TiVo Series 3 able to see WTNH these days?

Thanks to all, from a (relative) newbie.

My series 3 Tivo still cannot see WTNH even though signal strength is 98.

Ahh, ok. Good to know, thank you.

I called WTNH yesterday and spoke with Angelo in engineering -- very nice guy. He said they had not gotten "many calls" lately about PSIP problems, which I inferred to mean that he thought the earlier PSIP issues had been resolved. But he listened carefully when I explained that it wasn't a signal strength problem, and that all the other digital channels in my area come through just fine.

Angelo said he'd check with another engineer who actually works on the PSIP, to find out what ever happened with this problem over the summer, and get back to me.

It will be good that I can tell him it's not just me.

If anybody out there with the same problem were to call WTNH and mention this to Angelo in engineering, it might help.

Strictly over the air, right? I get them fine with my QAM tuner on channel 88-3 (Comcast) in New Britain and no converter.

Ahh, ok. Good to know, thank you.

I called WTNH yesterday and spoke with Angelo in engineering -- very nice guy. He said they had not gotten "many calls" lately about PSIP problems, which I inferred to mean that he thought the earlier PSIP issues had been resolved. But he listened carefully when I explained that it wasn't a signal strength problem, and that all the other digital channels in my area come through just fine.

Angelo said he'd check with another engineer who actually works on the PSIP, to find out what ever happened with this problem over the summer, and get back to me.

It will be good that I can tell him it's not just me.

If anybody out there with the same problem were to call WTNH and mention this to Angelo in engineering, it might help.


I talked to Angelo before. While a nice guy he always says the he does not get calls about PSIP issue, even though it exists for a long time. While I actually do see a picture on most of my tuners, they do not remap the channel to 8.1. They just say 10.1.

Strictly over the air, right? I get them fine with my QAM tuner on channel 88-3 (Comcast) in New Britain and no converter.

Yep, we're just talking about over the air here.

Well, I just got off the phone again with Angelo. He says he's talked to the engineer in charge of the PSIP, and as far as they are concerned, it is a solved issue. Earlier this year, they were indeed having PSIP issues, to the extent that even the local cable companies and satellite providers all over CT were unable to lock onto their signal (WTNH doesn't feed any of these companies a direct feed via cable -- they just rely on the broadcasts.) But they got new software over the summer that fixed the problem, at least as far as the cable and satellite companies were concerned, so they consider that the issue is closed.

He suggested it might be some sort of ghosting problem, giving a reflection that was screwing up the signal lock. I said that I thought digital broadcasts were supposed to be IMMUNE to ghosting problems, but since I really don't know anything about PSIP, I couldn't argue too strongly with him. I receive other channels just fine, no ghosting problems, but of course the wavelengths and signal strengths are different. Other people are having a problem locking, but of course, they could all be having "ghosting problems" as well.

I also mentioned that for some people, the channel does not correctly map to 8.1, but stays on 10.1 on their tuners. He didn't have an answer for that, but this didn't seem to convince him that there was anything wrong on their end.

So, we're at an impasse. I don't think WTNH is going to do anything about this. Time to look for a different tuner -- my personal belief now is that the VOOM box and TiVo Series 3 tuners are all sensitive to some kind of PSIP error that other tuners (including the ones used by cable and satellite companies) are NOT sensitive to -- some kind of checksum or parity bit, or who knows what.

Disappointing, but frankly I'm surprised at how easy it was to call up WTNH, get ahold of an engineer, and actually discuss the problem at length. That's more than you'd get from a lot of companies. On the other hand, discussing and listening is as far as they're willing to go with it (as opposed to measuring, testing, and verifying that their PSIP is correct somehow.)

One thing that I notice about WTNH is that many times when I select 8-1 on my Samsung H260F tuner, there is no audio on the channel for about the first six seconds after the picture appears. With every other digital channel, the audio and video come on simultaneously.

Yep, we're just talking about over the air here.

Well, I just got off the phone again with Angelo. He says he's talked to the engineer in charge of the PSIP, and as far as they are concerned, it is a solved issue. Earlier this year, they were indeed having PSIP issues, to the extent that even the local cable companies and satellite providers all over CT were unable to lock onto their signal (WTNH doesn't feed any of these companies a direct feed via cable -- they just rely on the broadcasts.) But they got new software over the summer that fixed the problem, at least as far as the cable and satellite companies were concerned, so they consider that the issue is closed.

He suggested it might be some sort of ghosting problem, giving a reflection that was screwing up the signal lock. I said that I thought digital broadcasts were supposed to be IMMUNE to ghosting problems, but since I really don't know anything about PSIP, I couldn't argue too strongly with him. I receive other channels just fine, no ghosting problems, but of course the wavelengths and signal strengths are different. Other people are having a problem locking, but of course, they could all be having "ghosting problems" as well.

I also mentioned that for some people, the channel does not correctly map to 8.1, but stays on 10.1 on their tuners. He didn't have an answer for that, but this didn't seem to convince him that there was anything wrong on their end.

So, we're at an impasse. I don't think WTNH is going to do anything about this. Time to look for a different tuner -- my personal belief now is that the VOOM box and TiVo Series 3 tuners are all sensitive to some kind of PSIP error that other tuners (including the ones used by cable and satellite companies) are NOT sensitive to -- some kind of checksum or parity bit, or who knows what.

Disappointing, but frankly I'm surprised at how easy it was to call up WTNH, get ahold of an engineer, and actually discuss the problem at length. That's more than you'd get from a lot of companies. On the other hand, discussing and listening is as far as they're willing to go with it (as opposed to measuring, testing, and verifying that their PSIP is correct somehow.)

You might try a different antenna. On my Mits 55511, a Channel Master 4228 will not bring in WTNHdt, but a cheap pair of rabbit ears will. Go figure!

You might try a different antenna. On my Mits 55511, a Channel Master 4228 will not bring in WTNHdt, but a cheap pair of rabbit ears will. Go figure!

You might be too close to the transmitter and the receiver is over-powered; by switching to the rabbit ears with less gain, the signal is reduced. Too much signal can cause more problems, sometimes, than not enough.

Marc

Ahh, ok. Good to know, thank you.

I called WTNH yesterday and spoke with Angelo in engineering -- very nice guy. He said they had not gotten "many calls" lately about PSIP problems, which I inferred to mean that he thought the earlier PSIP issues had been resolved. But he listened carefully when I explained that it wasn't a signal strength problem, and that all the other digital channels in my area come through just fine.

Angelo said he'd check with another engineer who actually works on the PSIP, to find out what ever happened with this problem over the summer, and get back to me.

It will be good that I can tell him it's not just me.

If anybody out there with the same problem were to call WTNH and mention this to Angelo in engineering, it might help.

Today I found that my TIVO S3 got the new Fall 2007 update to version 9.1. Guess what? Now for the first time since getting my S3 about 4 months ago I can finally receive WTNH 8.1 - previously it had been 99-100 on signal but no picture or audio. NOW it is working. Now I am so happy.

I've been hearing about a dispute between LIN Broadcasting and a cable operator in eastern Connecticut. This group also carries WPRI-TV (CBS) channel 12 of Providence, RI. Basically, these three stations (WTNH-TV, WCTX-TV and WPRI-TV) may get dropped altogether. No word on if the same applies to their digital counterparts, even if said system carries them.

CNN HD just showed up this morning on channel 735.

You should also have History HD on 718 and NHL Network (SD) on 142

Today I found that my TIVO S3 got the new Fall 2007 update to version 9.1. Guess what? Now for the first time since getting my S3 about 4 months ago I can finally receive WTNH 8.1 - previously it had been 99-100 on signal but no picture or audio. NOW it is working.I got the 9.1 update this morning, and I also immediately started getting channel 8.1 again.

I got the 9.1 update this morning, and I also immediately started getting channel 8.1 again.

Redux,

Glad to hear it. I know trying to figure out the problem was driving both of us crazy.

Slightly off topic guys, but has anyone with DirecTV been having a problem with their DirecTV Tivos lately? Mine have been locking up and or rebooting with increasing frequency over the past few weeks. It's to the point now were they're almost unusable. The one in the bedroom rebooted twice last night during the Office. I talked to my friends that have them, and all 3 of them reported similar problems, with one of them having replaced theirs already!

Many people over at TivoCommunity forums are reporting the same problems. I am getting the feeling that having NY locals makes the problem worse. Please post here whether or not you have these problems. Thanks.

anyone with DirecTV been having a problem with their DirecTV Tivos lately? ...locking up and or rebooting ... having NY locals makes the problem worse. Please post here whether or not you have these problems.The only DTivos I have hooked up right now are a couple of HR10-250s. Haven't used them much until the last few days, but they have not rebooted at all except for the daily reboot I have scheduled with cron.

Since DTivos are all getting older, as far as I know no new ones made for a few years, the hard drives are probably starting to go bad on a global scale. A really easy replacement.

The only DTivos I have hooked up right now are a couple of HR10-250s. Haven't used them much until the last few days, but they have not rebooted at all except for the daily reboot I have scheduled with cron.

Since DTivos are all getting older, as far as I know no new ones made for a few years, the hard drives are probably starting to go bad on a global scale. A really easy replacement.


Thanks for the reply. It's definitely not just them getting old. It's all of a sudden with everyone I know. Definitely a software issue.

It's all of a sudden with everyone I know. Definitely a software issue.I did some checking nationally, with many dozens of individual users and looking at on-line chatter. There's a bunch of posts from you, and a few "me too's" in response, but there's nothing of any significance going on.

Since my individual user sample is heavily techie-skewed, it is _possible_ that there's some official system "upgrade" that may be affecting some users, but generally we don't accept software upgrades until we've had a chance to test them out. That usually puts us several degrades away from the current version of the moment.

I did some checking nationally, with many dozens of individual users and looking at on-line chatter. There's a bunch of posts from you, and a few "me too's" in response, but there's nothing of any significance going on.

Since my individual user sample is heavily techie-skewed, it is _possible_ that there's some official system "upgrade" that may be affecting some users, but generally we don't accept software upgrades until we've had a chance to test them out. That usually puts us several degrades away from the current version of the moment.

Redux,

Do you work for DirecTV? I am guessing that based on the "I did some checking nationally, with many dozens of individual users" comment, and the "we don't accept" wording.

Please excuse me getting my hackles up about this, but I have been living with this problem for a few weeks now, and it's gotten worse. Last night, between our two SD Tivos, we had one lock up and at least 4 reboots.

I know 4 other people that have DTivos. I asked each of them about it, and EVERY ONE of them is having the same problem. One of them had their DTivo replaced with an R15. Two others are having the same frequency of problems as me, and the last one is only getting the problem about once per day.

In the thread below at Tivocommunity.com, 77% of the 127 respondents have indicated that they are having these problems since the 6.3e software release.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=367809
There are many other threads there about it too.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that necessarily 77% of Tivo customers are having problems, I know those threads attract people with problems, but it's clearly a significant issue.

Are you familiar with the name Earl Bonovich? He is a moderator on the DBSTalk.com forums that has organized the CE program for the H20 and HR20 receivers. Prompted by a question, he indicated that DirecTV has asked Tivo to look into the issue, but when you call DirecTV, the front line people usually say that they are not aware of the issue, and when pushed, they see "some calls" about it.

My goal now is to do whatever small things I can to try and help get a fix done as quickly as possible. I have had DirecTV Tivos since 2001, and love the interface. I also utilize the dual buffer feature heavily, so I don't want to move to the R15. Anybody who has DTivos has gotten the mailings about new features coming, that won't do people any good if they don't stay running.

Today I found that my TIVO S3 got the new Fall 2007 update to version 9.1. Guess what? Now for the first time since getting my S3 about 4 months ago I can finally receive WTNH 8.1 - previously it had been 99-100 on signal but no picture or audio. NOW it is working. Now I am so happy.

If you haven't seen it, TiVoJerry posted about this issue here: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5586503&&#post5586503

I've been hearing about a dispute between LIN Broadcasting and a cable operator in eastern Connecticut. This group also carries WPRI-TV (CBS) channel 12 of Providence, RI. Basically, these three stations (WTNH-TV, WCTX-TV and WPRI-TV) may get dropped altogether. No word on if the same applies to their digital counterparts, even if said system carries them.

YUP, Metrocast, the cable provider in New London, Waterford, East Lyme, Montville and Plainfield, Putnam, Danielson and Killingly has been in an ongoing dispute with LIN.

Recently, Metrocast has been running a screen crawl on their public access stations saying that WTNH and WCTX would be removed shortly, but call Metrocast if you REALLY want them back...LOL. I know that LIN is a pain in the @$$ when it comes to signal carriage, but who really knows the real story? WPRI is also on the system: a CBS affiliate, and their signal duplicates WFSB in this area.

Metrocast has never run WTNH-DT or WCTX-DT: their HD-ABC signal comes solely from WLNE-DT in Providence: their signal is occasionally pixellated and jerky from WLNE-DT. Metrocast doesn't carry WTXX-DT, either. They are in the process of a major system rebuild that promises 1000MHZ capability, but you have to wonder what they plan to provide for programming. Metrocast bought the antiquated Eastern Connecticut Cable TV company over a year ago, which had always been the barnyard of cable TV in CT: anything they do HAS to be an improvement!

YUP, Metrocast, the cable provider in New London, Waterford, East Lyme, Montville and Plainfield, Putnam, Danielson and Killingly has been in an ongoing dispute with LIN.

Recently, Metrocast has been running a screen crawl on their public access stations saying that WTNH and WCTX would be removed shortly, but call Metrocast if you REALLY want them back...LOL. I know that LIN is a pain in the @$$ when it comes to signal carriage, but who really knows the real story? WPRI is also on the system: a CBS affiliate, and their signal duplicates WFSB in this area.

Metrocast has never run WTNH-DT or WCTX-DT: their HD-ABC signal comes solely from WLNE-DT in Providence: their signal is occasionally pixellated and jerky from WLNE-DT. Metrocast doesn't carry WTXX-DT, either. They are in the process of a major system rebuild that promises 1000MHZ capability, but you have to wonder what they plan to provide for programming. Metrocast bought the antiquated Eastern Connecticut Cable TV company over a year ago, which had always been the barnyard of cable TV in CT: anything they do HAS to be an improvement!

Good news for your Metrocast people. They have reached an agreement with LIN to continue carrying WTNH, WCTX, and WPRI. No word on whether or not the new agreement includes carriage of their HD (digital) channels or not, but I think there's a good chance that it does. Here is a link to the official document (keep in mind the official document has a typo - referring to WCTX as WCTC)

Link to document (http://www.dpuc.state.ct.us/DPUCUndocketed.nsf/6e9beec82815c42f85256a61005a47fc/85256a63004def9685257371005266f6/$FILE/MetroCast%20tariff%20letter.PDF)

If you haven't seen it, TiVoJerry posted about this issue here: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5586503&&#post5586503

Thanks

So WPRI-TV (CBS) will remain, despite it being an out-of-market station? Wow!

Recently I had my Hughes E-86 D* & OTA box replaced. I could get most of the OTA stations but continued to get lots of dropouts. I could almost never get Ch 8-1 WTNH. D* gave me a new box the H-20. I can't believe the difference it made with OTA signals. I can watch everything now with virtually no dropouts. That includes ch 8-1 WTNH. No other hardware was replaced. I am using the same antenna as before. It just goes to show what a newer generation digital receiver can do.

So WPRI-TV (CBS) will remain, despite it being an out-of-market station? Wow!

Well, keep in mind that for those who live in Eastern CT, the Providence stations are "local". And, Eastern CT used to be in the Providence market.

Marc

Hey all, not been here in a while. My brother is looking at going to Direct TV due to the increased HD. He's in Fairfield county and according to the D* web site, he would get NY locals only - no CT locals. That doesn't make sense to me given I'm in Middlesex county and get both, except for ABC NY.

Can anyone in Fairfield county with D* tell me what you get for locals, including HD and SD? I think he should get NY in HD and CT in SD. I know this is the OTA thread, but I didn't see anywhere else to post this Q. Thanks

Anyone else having trouble getting 008-01 and 008-02? I have DISH and my other OTAs come in fine with usual signal strengths, including 59-01 and 59-02. Could the frequency have changed?

New Hartford hills

No trouble getting 008-01 / 008-02 / 008-03 on E* here signal is 94% on 211 & 622 receivers OTA

Ed...;)

Well, keep in mind that for those who live in Eastern CT, the Providence stations are "local". And, Eastern CT used to be in the Providence market.

Marc

Hmmm! I know Danielson (Killingly) is closer to Providence than Hartford. This poses an interesting question: How long has the Hartford/New Haven TV market had its current 7 counties? (Connecticut minus Fairfield County.) I know New Haven is separate when it comes to radio. How different would digital TV be these days if that was still the case?

I just received a response that I sent to LIN (Channel 8 & 20) owners about providing HD signals to D* since the only way you can pick it up in HD is OTA. The response I got (although who knows if sincere) stated that they were in contractual negotiations with D* and it was a priority to them.

With that said, ever since I've retired my chimney-mounted antennas, I've had some luck with 8 but none with 20. I'm not going to mount another antenna as it was retired due to re-siding issues. Has anyone had any luck in the Wallingford / Cheshire / Durham area picking up 20 with an indoor OTA ? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

I just received a response that I sent to LIN (Channel 8 & 20) owners about providing HD signals to D* since the only way you can pick it up in HD is OTA. The response I got (although who knows if sincere) stated that they were in contractual negotiations with D* and it was a priority to them.

With that said, ever since I've retired my chimney-mounted antennas, I've had some luck with 8 but none with 20. I'm not going to mount another antenna as it was retired due to re-siding issues. Has anyone had any luck in the Wallingford / Cheshire / Durham area picking up 20 with an indoor OTA ? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

You never should have sold me that Channel Master, you know!

Hey all, not been here in a while. My brother is looking at going to Direct TV due to the increased HD. He's in Fairfield county and according to the D* web site, he would get NY locals only - no CT locals. That doesn't make sense to me given I'm in Middlesex county and get both, except for ABC NY.

Can anyone in Fairfield county with D* tell me what you get for locals, including HD and SD? I think he should get NY in HD and CT in SD. I know this is the OTA thread, but I didn't see anywhere else to post this Q. Thanks

Fairfield county is in the NY dma, so he might as well live in Manhattan as far as Directv is concerned. There is a Directv forum, btw.