It is 1080i. They did one broadcast last year, IIRC, in hd, but they said it was too expensive to do any more.

Why is it more expensive? Is there just a lot of SD gear that's no longer wanted so they can get the truck and cameras really cheaply? If they can't afford to do it, they should give it up and let ESPN do it, even if most of the games end up on ESPN3, the quality would still be much higher, if not quite HD, and we'd get widescreen.

I'm going to guess it's all about cost. I think CPTV would like to show the Women in HD, but the bucks aren't there. I'm still happy to see the games.

What I don't like is the increase in pledging on CPTV. The only prime time shown this week was "Member's Choice". How sad. I'm very happy to have a great signal from WGBY Springfield, so that I can still see the PBS shows during primetime. Perhaps things will improve at CPTV and they will return to the great station they were.

I'm going to guess it's all about cost. I think CPTV would like to show the Women in HD, but the bucks aren't there.

They should either A) show actual commercials like every other channel, since commercials pay the bills, or B) if they can't make the numbers work, give up the contract.

They should either A) show actual commercials like every other channel, since commercials pay the bills,

To do so would be in violation of their non-commercial license.

- Trip

Well I'd say public TV is as close as you can get to commercials with their "granters". Who decides the guidelines? Shows are getting shorter all the time so these whatevers can run.

I have a question about reception for WWLP in northern CT (Granby). I've been receiving OTA signals for many of the Hartford/Springfield stations including (virtual) 3, 20, 24, 40, 57 and 61. Until two days ago, WWLP (22) was also fairly reliably available. However, since the 1st of the year, there appears to be essentially no signal at all.

This is a little surprising, since the antenna is less than 10 miles (direct) from my location. Can others report on how well they are receiving this station?

Thanks!

Same issue here in East Granby. WWLP-Dt (22.1 and 22.2) has a strong signal but apparently no broadcast. Does anyone have any information on this?

I am located in Longmeadow MA and haven't had any issues receiving WWLP. However, I do have a roof mounted TV antenna and a dedicated VHF antenna pointed to Mt Proven.

If you are using an indoor or attic mounted antenna with all the snow and ice on the roof at the moment it may be enough attenuation to drop the signal out.

WWLP is one of the harder stations to receive due to being on VHF-hi and a fairly low power transmitter IMHO.

If you still have issues go to the TVFool site and check your reception details.

Regards,
Cutthecable
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To the contrary. WWLP channel 22 (11) is and was one of the strongest digital stations I receive in Storrs. Stronger than channel 8 (10) almost as strong as channel 30 (35) or channel 61 (31) by a mile. It is less directional than Channel 3 (33). I can turn my antenna towards the west/north west and get a solid signal from WWLP. But if I turn to far south or north I lose channel 3, and channel 61 has huge loss of signal.

On some days I can get channel 40 (ABC and FOX) but not always.

To those not getting actual programming try scanning the station back in again. I watch it often with no problems.

However, this is a problem I can relate to. I can tell you Channel 61 had that problem for me at one time, strong signal but no programming. I called the tech and he was very interested in knowing that, though he had not had any calls about it. When I told him the day it started happening he was even more interested because they did indeed make a change to the decoder that day. He eventually called the company who makes the decoder, and it got fixed. It may have been specific to certain TV's since they had no other complaints.

To the contrary. WWLP channel 22 (11) is and was one of the strongest digital stations I receive in Storrs. Stronger than channel 8 (10) almost as strong as channel 30 (35) or channel 61 (31) by a mile. It is less directional than Channel 3 (33). I can turn my antenna towards the west/north west and get a solid signal from WWLP. But if I turn to far south or north I lose channel 3, and channel 61 has huge loss of signal.

On some days I can get channel 40 (ABC and FOX) but not always.

To those not getting actual programming try scanning the station back in again. I watch it often with no problems.

However, this is a problem I can relate to. I can tell you Channel 61 had that problem for me at one time, strong signal but no programming. I called the tech and he was very interested in knowing that, though he had not had any calls about it. When I told him the day it started happening he was even more interested because they did indeed make a change to the decoder that day. He eventually called the company who makes the decoder, and it got fixed. It may have been specific to certain TV's since they had no other complaints.


As they say location, location, location doesn't just apply just to real estate but also to over-the-air television reception!! Hmmm that is very interesting I have also noted on occasion a signal without programming.

Btw - I am getting programming on both channels of WWLP, the second being "The Cool TV" (as I see Scott reported earlier here)

Btw - I am getting programming on both channels of WWLP, the second being "The Cool TV" (as I see Scott reported earlier here)

ThecoolTV is also available on 59.2 ......did you see AntennaTV on 61.2 as well.

Interesting. I use WMC7 and an HDHomerun. WWLP shows six solid bars. That's as good as it gets. I wonder why there's no picture? Could it be something with my setup? It is the only channel that is high VHF. Every other channel is UHF.

Interesting. I use WMC7 and an HDHomerun. WWLP shows six solid bars. That's as good as it gets. I wonder why there's no picture? Could it be something with my setup? It is the only channel that is high VHF. Every other channel is UHF.

WMC7 has issues with VHF Hi Band. I receive a solid (100% signal using TSReader) of my two stations on my 8VSB USB tuner, and using the tuner's software, I can watch my two stations with no issue. When I launch Windows Media Center 7, it can't tune in the two channels at all.
After some research, I've found several others who have had this issue using WMC7. I wish Microsoft would resolve it.

Interesting I have a HTPC with WMC7 and it tunes WWLP but doesn't show any image. Had me thinking the PCI ATSC tuner card was a dud. But it seems Microsoft may have have another buggy software issue.

Thx.
Cutthecable KB1MTR
www.tvictory.com

WMC7 has issues with VHF Hi Band. I receive a solid (100% signal using TSReader) of my two stations on my 8VSB USB tuner, and using the tuner's software, I can watch my two stations with no issue. When I launch Windows Media Center 7, it can't tune in the two channels at all.
After some research, I've found several others who have had this issue using WMC7. I wish Microsoft would resolve it.

You're exactly right! I launched the HDHomeRun QuickTV and WWLP worked perfectly. Launched WMC7 and got nothing. I guess I need to boost the other NBC signal or get rid of WMC. Thanks.

ThecoolTV is also available on 59.2 ......did you see AntennaTV on 61.2 as well.

Yes. I record some of the older shows from Antenna TV using my Dish receiver that gets OTA.

At this point I can get every channel/sub channel in CT except channel 59, as mentioned also get WWLP, and at times FOX and ABC from Springfield.

I am surprised that I do not get anything from RI, analog used to be strong from there, both channel 6 and 12, at times channel 10 and WSBE. (PBS)

Hello, I'm in Milford, CT and interested in getting an indoor antenna (at least for now with the current weather). Does anyone have any suggestions? I have an HDTV. I picked up an RCA Ant806 last night and got tons of cptv channels but local broadcast were non-existent or unstable

Hello, I'm in Milford, CT and interested in getting an indoor antenna (at least for now with the current weather). Does anyone have any suggestions? I have an HDTV. I picked up an RCA Ant806 last night and got tons of cptv channels but local broadcast were non-existent or unstable

Hello CordcuttinggirlCT,

If you can go to www.tvfool.com and enter your address in the locator and then post the url link back here we can see what you should be able to receive. p.s. your address will remain hidden when you post back.

Cheers,

Cutthecable
www.tvictory.com

Yeah, I checked out that site and antennaweb, doesn't seem like much with an indoor antenna. No NBC unless a roof antenna. I'm not about to put anything on my roof right now, more likely my deck in the spring. Attic is a no go since it's finished.

Sorry for the spam, need 3 posts to post urls :rolleyes:

data

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d3cf41cd72088a7

Hmmmm...yip you have some real challenges for your location due to the topography. As you point out you can pick up PBS which isn't a surprise as you are only 6.9 miles away.

ABC is on RF channel 10 which is actually VHF-hi band and 17 miles away, you should be able to pick this one up. NBC and CBS are going to be real challenges to pick up - if at all. However, having said that I have seen locations pick up stations technically off the map on TVfool.

http://www.tvfool.com/modeling/tmp/3cf4/1cd/72088a7/Radar-Digital.png

Honestly, without installing an external antenna I can't offer you much more than what you currently are probably receiving. However, in my humble opinion you can do better than the RCA ANT806 I think you would see better results with an actual external VHF/UHF combined antenna even if installed indoors.

Have a look at the Winegard FV-HD30 you may be surprised that this compact external antenna looks great and is often installed indoors with excellent results.


Cutthecable :)
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CCGCT:
I wish I had your reception issues. :-)
In this state, an indoor antenna is not going to cut it. You may get WTNH and WCTX as well as 49 WEDH with an indoor antenna.

However, with an outdoor rooftop antenna, you are in a fantastic position to get the Hartford stations AND the locals off of Empire State Building.
The only downside will be rf channel 33. Both WFSB and WCBS are broadcasting on that frequency.
In my location, I have a hill blocking Hartford stations so I have never received WFSB. Since the leaves fell off the trees, I am now getting more signal from WFSB and it has pretty much wiped out my reception of WCBS.
The possible good news is WCBS is building a translator station on Long Island at the WLIW plant. So WCBS will also be transmitting on Channel 22. I already get WLIW on channel 21.
Hang in there. I'm sure we ALL cannot wait for this winter to leave us.
With something like a Channel Master 4228A antenna, it will most likely be possible to point the antenna at NYC and receive the Hartford stations from the back of the antenna so you won't have to rotate much.

CordcuttergirlCT,

A pre-amplifier might help you. I recently "cut the cable", so to speak, by installing my parents' big old aluminum antenna in the attic of my apt. building. I'm in New Haven and I was only getting a few channels, but then I bought a pre-amplifier, and instantly got about a dozen more channels. The best part was, I only paid about $3 for the pre-amp, at Radioshack of all places, where they're infamous for their outrageous prices. Turns out it's a clearance model, only available in stores. I can't post links here, but if you go to the website and search for 15-2507, you should find it. It looks like the Radioshack in the CT Post mall still has at least one left. If you go to get it, you probably won't find it on the shelf; you might have to ask them to go look in back for it.

Incidentally, I think there's definitely something to the notion of snowpack causing signal attenuation. With the last big snowstorm I lost a few channels (20.1, 20.2, 61.1, and 61.2), but after shoveling off the roof a couple of them came back. :D

Hi, lots of knowledgeable people here, hoping someone can help.

We recently moved to Madison and are looking to install an antenna. In looking at our location on TVfool, seems we are within 30-35 miles of several New Haven and Hartford channels. Can anyone recommend an antenna that might work for our situation?

The challenge I see is that the New Haven and Hartford signals are roughly 65-70* apart. Any chance of reception from both without a rotator?

Any help would be much appreciated.

The challenge I see is that the New Haven and Hartford signals are roughly 65-70* apart. Any chance of reception from both without a rotator?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Antenna recommendations are hard because not every antenna works in every situation. Sometimes, you'll have better reception 10 feet from where you need to mount it.
65 to 70 degrees is a lot of beamwidth to cover. Because of this, you may sacrifice distance.
A yagi style antenna is out of the question if you want to cover 65 to 70 degrees.
An 8 bay bowtie antenna like the Antennas Direct DB8 or the Channel Master 4228HD would be a better choice, but they might be a little picky on trying to cover 30 to 35 degrees in each direction if you point half way in between NH and Hartford.

A 4 bay bowtie like the Antennas Direct DB4 or CM4221 may be your best bet. With the 4 bay bowtie you get the most beamwidth but have half the distance of an 8 bay. I think you'll still get enough range.

If I lived in Madison, I'd use a CM4221HD antenna and a CM7777 preamp. I'd start off with the preamp in UHF/VHF combined mode. If WTNH did not come in reliably, I'd get a bigger VHF only antenna and run the preamp in separate input mode.
If I still needed more UHF power, I'd horizontal stack another CM4221 into the antenna array, that way I'd get twice the range without losing beamwidth.
I have experimented with a lot of antennas over the last 10 years. Luckily the antennas do not bother my wife one bit.

Thanks GS. That is helpful info.

To hear recommendations from others with much more experience is great. I can guess, but it seemed wise to get input from others willing to share their thoughts . . . still wont know for sure until we try.

I had wondered about the 4221HD because I had read about the wider beamwidth, but I am so new to this, I don't trust my ability to make a good guess.

Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts - that was perfect.

I am lucky to have a wife that wont mind either, and to tell you the truth, she is the one pushing me to get this figured out sooner than later. She's tired of only watching movies :o.

You might want to start with something in your attic if possible. The reception on the roof will only improve from there.
In my last post I mad a mistake. If you use a 4221 and need more UHF distance, you would need to VERTICAL stack them, not horizontal stack them.
Horizontal stacked 4221's is essentially the same as a 4228 and it would cut down your beamwidth.

Thanks for the tip on the attic. I hope that does work, especially given the recent ice, playing around on the roof probably isn't the best idea right now. We do have a lot of space in the attic, so hopefully something will work well.

One more quick question - If I have do have to buy a second antenna, would vertical stacking be better than simply pointing one antenna towards the New Haven towers and one antenna towards the Hartford towers?

Thanks again for your help.

Thanks for the recommendations everyone. Looks like i'll be getting rid of satellite and getting a basic broadcast package for a few months until the ice skating rink in my backyard has melted :eek: then I'll look at one of the options mentioned above for an antenna outside.

Thanks for the recommendations everyone. Looks like i'll be getting rid of satellite and getting a basic broadcast package for a few months until the ice skating rink in my backyard has melted :eek: then I'll look at one of the options mentioned above for an antenna outside.

Ah, so you'll be subscribing until May then, eh? :D

One more quick question - If I have do have to buy a second antenna, would vertical stacking be better than simply pointing one antenna towards the New Haven towers and one antenna towards the Hartford towers?

Thanks again for your help.

Back in the days of 1st, 2nd, 3rd and even 4th generation receivers multipath was a major issue. setting up antennas pointing in different directions was a guarantee of multipath.

Newer receivers can handle multipath well. So it wouldn't hurt to try pointing the antennas in different directions. Just keep a close eye out to make sure you didn't lose channels or make some weaker.

http://dennishouse.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/wfsb-going-hd/

According to anchorman Dennis House, the newscasts from WFSB-TV are about to go to HD. Well it's about damn time!

Does anyone know why channel 3 news is not in HD yet

Oh I didnt read the last post yes its about time

I've always found it strange that their news promos are all in HD. It's never made any sense.

I've always found it strange that their news promos are all in HD. It's never made any sense.

It costs a lot less to build an HD playout facility than it does a live one.
So it's common to see HD playout but SD studio work.

I'm going to guess it's all about cost. I think CPTV would like to show the Women in HD, but the bucks aren't there. I'm still happy to see the games.

UConn Women are in HD tonight on CPTV.

They should either A) show actual commercials like every other channel, since commercials pay the bills..

To do so would be in violation of their non-commercial license.

They certainly look like they are showing commercials on CPTV to me.

http://dennishouse.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/wfsb-going-hd/

According to anchorman Dennis House, the newscasts from WFSB-TV are about to go to HD. Well it's about damn time!

WFSB should have been the first ones to go HD when they moved to the new building, instead they're the last.

rabbitears.info reports:

8.1 = 10.3 - 720p- WTNH-DT ABC "NewsChannel 8"
8.2 = 10.4 - 480i- [Scrambled] "Sky Max Weather"
8.3 = 10.5 - 480i- WTNH2 ABC "NewsChannel 8"

I have never seen Video on 8.3 (10.5) has anyone else ?

also, whats with the [Scrambled] channel, is this
being used for "Sezmi" ?

I have never seen Video on 8.3 (10.5) has anyone else ?

It's shown on SiliconDust's site: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:06023#lineup_3249334

also, whats with the [Scrambled] channel, is this
being used for "Sezmi" ?

It's used for "Sky Max Weather," available only on cable.

- Trip

Hi everyone,

I live up in Litchfield County close to the Mass border. Anyone have any luck tuning in WTNH? If so what sort of setup?

I'm a Dish customer so no WTNH since Saturday. I've been tinkering with some home built antennas. I tried putting up a simple dipole about 30 feet up and pointing south but not even a blip of signal. I am getting 3,20,24,30,61 though. Figures not the channel I need. Years ago we had an antenna on the roof that could get a snowy but watchable channel 8.

Hi everyone,

I live up in Litchfield County close to the Mass border. Anyone have any luck tuning in WTNH? If so what sort of setup?

I'm a Dish customer so no WTNH since Saturday. I've been tinkering with some home built antennas. I tried putting up a simple dipole about 30 feet up and pointing south but not even a blip of signal. I am getting 3,20,24,30,61 though. Figures not the channel I need. Years ago we had an antenna on the roof that could get a snowy but watchable channel 8.

Have you tried getting 40 instead of 8? You might have better luck.

@terminal_man: Is the antenna you're using designed for VHF reception? WTNH-TV uses channel 10 for their digital channel.

Thanks for the replies.

My TVFool report shows Channel 40, although closer in distance, ranking way down the list in the grey stations. WTNH is within red just below yellow.

WTNH-DT 10 (8.1) ABC (NM dB 10.9) (Pwr dBm -79.9) Path 2Edge (Dist miles 38.9) Azimuth True 173 deg (Magn) 187 deg

As for the antennas, yes I've been building ones targeted for the VHF Hi range for Channel 10. mclapp's 2 Bay VHF-Hi design with 24" whiskers that I've only used upstairs and the folded dipole that I hoisted up outside. They've still managed to pick up the main UHF stations. These have been crude attempts (no way I'm posting pics) but I'm hoping to improve. I'm just in a rush to get something working to snag Jeopardy each night.

With my folded dipole. I made it for 195 mhz and used a side to side length of 2 ft 4" I'm hoping that's right.

I also live in northern Litchfield county and am in the same boat as you with Dish network using a VIP622 DVR. With a large antenna in my attic, that used to be on my roof, I can watch WTNH intermittently and WGGB(channel 40) a little more often. I can't turn the antenna though so it is positioned in the best compromise angle. The antenna lead goes into an amp and there are separate outputs from the amp, one going to my DVR and one to a digital/analog converter box that connects to my PC tuner card. The PC tuner can receive WTNH reliably without artifacts at all. I've concluded the OTA tuner in my Dish DVR is just crappy. I bet yours is too.

That's interesting. Thanks. I've been trying the tuner in my Samsung as well as the Dish 722 out of hope I might get something. I guess I need to go a whole lot bigger. I was hoping to scrounge together something until the dispute is resolved. Here's my TVFool report.

That's interesting. Thanks. I've been trying the tuner in my Samsung as well as the Dish 722 out of hope I might get something. I guess I need to go a whole lot bigger. I was hoping to scrounge together something until the dispute is resolved. Here's my TVFool report.

Here's mine. My WGGB signal is quite a bit better than yours.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d5979ce22b6341d

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d5979bc11a85030

Here are my predicted results from the south end of New Britain. I myself only have an indoor antenna for the TV in my second floor bedroom. I usually do OK with my limited basic cable and no converter. I just keep the antenna as a backup, should something happen with the cable.

As you can see, Rattlesnake Mountain is, by far, my easiest catches. While Avon Mountain isn't too far from me, I do have problems from that site, largely due to being near the bottom of Walnut Hill. My home faces southwards towards Berlin.

WTNH-DT on channel 10 is there most of the time.

Has anyone noticed problems with getting a solid signal from WTNH ABC from New Haven,CT?

Has anyone noticed problems with getting a solid signal from WTNH ABC from New Haven,CT?

You mean in addition to the last half dozen posted messages?

Yes Is anyone getting a signal? I live in Hamden and it's funny I get farther away stations but not 8.

Are you close to Madmere Mountain? Perhaps your receiver is being overloaded by a strong signal? Also, how is your reception of WCTX-TV (MY) channel 59? They also transmit from that same site.

Channel 59 comes in fine with a strength of 81. WTNH was coming in last night but all over the range. Today nothing

WTNH is transmitting on channel 10. This is a VHF channel and would be received weakly on a UHF antenna.
John

WTNH is transmitting on channel 10. This is a VHF channel and would be received weakly on a UHF antenna.
John

I use a Channel Master 4228. Although a UHF antenna, it picks up the high VHF channels quite well.

Which VHF channels does it pick up well for you? Looking at your location, WTNH looks to be the only local one, and I wouldn't depend on a UHF antenna for VHF reception in most cases.

- Trip

Channel 59 comes in fine with a strength of 81. WTNH was coming in last night but all over the range. Today nothing

I've noticed similar signal variations from WTNH. They seem to have a low power output at times. Channel 59 is similar in variation.

I've noticed similar signal variations from WTNH. They seem to have a low power output at times. Channel 59 is similar in variation.

WTNH always is at 100% signal strenght for me
here across the pond on Long Island.,

But I only get video on 1 of the 3 channels

I also have a Channel Master 4228 antenna and all channels are fine except for 8.1 WTNH I tried 10.1 and no signal

I see all of channel 30 is down this AM.

Edit: That was early this AM. Came back on air about 8AM.

I also have a Channel Master 4228 antenna and all channels are fine except for 8.1 WTNH I tried 10.1 and no signal

How old is your receiver?
When we do the time shift for DST, some of the very old receivers get cranky about it and require a rescan.

I'm in Cheshire using a Channel Master 4228. All of the ota channels are coming in fine and strong.

Woodsmith,
The 4228 antenna has some capability to pick up channel 10 (WTNH's channel) but has much less gain on 10 than on UHF channels. A high VHF antenna would likely solve your reception problem.
John

My question is why now when stations farther away are coming in at 90? It worked fine last week. Is WTNH changing anything in their broadcast?

It is very unlikely that WTNH is changing power. I do not see any significant variation here other that what comes about from propagation changes. Depending on the path between you and WTNH the signal strength will vary from a couple of dB to as much as 20 dB as a result of vertical temperature and humidity differences. If the 4228 has 10 or 15 dB more gain at UHF frequencies than on channel 10, the received signal strength variations may not matter to the picture quality on UHF but will be very noticeable on WTNH. Also on channel 10 the 4228 has very little directivity. This will make WTNH more susceptible to multipath degradation.
John

FCC order to move WEDY to 41:

http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0316/DA-11-501A1.pdf

A construction permit needs to be applied for and granted and it needs to be built, etc., so I'm sure this will take quite some time.

Hi Everyone,

I just got a CM4228. I live in south windsor. I wanted to mount it in my attic but the more I read the more I thought a roof mount was the way to go, so I got a tripod and 5Ft pole. I am about fed up with cox cable. 180.00 per month we never get calls on out landline except for spam. It's now just my wife and I and we mostly watch the networks not much of the cable stations. Im building a HTPC planning on using the HDHOMERUN duel tuner and the HTPC ass my dvr and media center. I would like to get the antenna up this coming weekend.

I really don't know much about ota antenna's preamps, amps and such.

My question is,

Right now cox cable comes in splits to the cable modem and the other split goes into a amp. they installed then 3 outputs into 3 different splitters running though the house. 4 bedrooms kitchen, den living room and screen room. Can I run the 4228 cable into there amp and would I be able to get good ota picture in the different rooms?
OR
what would yall suggest to get tv in more than 1 room?

Thanks

Evan

You can do one of two things. First you would need to barrel the line going to the modem and keep all of the cable off of the other lines in the home and keeping the antenna off of the line with the cable modem on it. Then you could either use the amp or not use the amp to get your antenna into the rest of the house.

The second way would be easier. Just downgrade to limited basic cable. You would still get all of the locals as un-encrypted QAM channels, provided your sets have QAM tuners in them. You have a much better shot at actually being able to watch WTNH this way, and you won't have to spin the antenna on channel changes.

Hi everyone, I live here in the trouble-some south-eastern Connecticut area in a city called Norwich.

Trouble-some because my area is surrounded by hills and powerful transmitters.

I rent so putting up an decent out-door antenna is out of the question.

Thanks to cable TV's assault on America, roof-top TV antennas are now a landlord's no..no, and installing one is a no..no.

I am lucky I am above sea level to some degree, but there are many areas that are higher than my exact location.

I tried different types of indoor antennas.

Anyway, I decided to make an UHF indoor antenna I often see people talking about. It's the one with the coat hangers 6 of them that look like cat whiskers.

I used regular guage house wire, stripped and cut into 14 1/2 inch sections, then made a V at the center of each one.

I have the whole thing mounted to a roof support 2X4 in my attic, rather than using sticks or boards and have the wires held with wood screws and washers.

I used tin foil wrapped around a large cardboard square for a reflector.

My antenna is stationary, it can't be turned or moved.

It is pointed roughly due North.

I have a balun and CATV coax running to my TV and an amplifier near the TV.

Here is the channels I can get.

WEDN 53 Norwich on DTV 9.0

WHPX 26 New London DTV 26.0

WPXQ 69 Hope Valley R.I. DTV 17.0

WJAR 10 Providence R.I. DTV 51.0

I do not get 12 or 64 for lack of a VHF antenna set for the moment.

Occasionally I get the following stations at night:

WBZ 4 Boston MA DTV 30.0

WLNE 6 Providence R.I. DTV 49.0

WHDH 7 Boston MA DTV 42.0

Here is what I find most strange:

I receive CH 27 WUNI Boston MA. on DTV 29.0 and 29.1 just as strong as I do WEDN on DTV 9.0 which is just 6 miles away and antenna almost visible from my location.

WUNI from Boston, rates between 70 to 80 on my signal meter on all my HDTV receivers and that is during the day time.

I never hear anyone else mention WUNI here in this forum, I realize the station is a Spanish Univision station, but I get it here quite strong and never experience drop-outs or pixelization.

Does anyone else recieve that station?

As for the TVFool web site it lists that station as NOT AT ALL RECIEVEABLE in my area.

Oh by the way, the only central or western Connecticut channel I get a signal meter reading at all on is from 24 WEDH DTV 45.0 from Hartford, it peaks to 25% but has never broken through to be viewable.

Bruce.

I rent so putting up an decent out-door antenna is out of the question.

Thanks to cable TV's assault on America, roof-top TV antennas are now a landlord's no..no, and installing one is a no..no.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

"Effective January 22, 1999, the Commission amended the rule so that it also applies to rental property where the renter has an exclusive use area, such as a balcony or patio."

- Trip

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

"Effective January 22, 1999, the Commission amended the rule so that it also applies to rental property where the renter has an exclusive use area, such as a balcony or patio."

- Trip

Yeah I read that rule, I do not have any outdoor areas that are NOT common use areas, so I am left with an attic antenna.

Q: If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply to me?

A: The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna. "Exclusive use" means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and use to the exclusion of other residents. For example, your condominium or apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, and the rule applies to these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a condominium or apartment building. Restrictions on antennas installed in these common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule. For example, the rule would not apply to restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall of a condominium or rental unit and thus restrictions may prohibit installation that requires such drilling.

Bruce

MrBruce: WUNI transmitter is in Shrewsbury MA (although it is a Boston market station) ... I'd have to run a plot but its probably a fairly straight shot south to you which may explain why you have some reception (also noting you mentioned your antenna is pointing north). WEDN is a VHF station that you are probably receiving because of your proximity to the transmitter in Bozrah (hope I spelled that right!)

Yeah I read that rule, I do not have any outdoor areas that are NOT common use areas, so I am left with an attic antenna.

Ah, okay. It was worth a try. :)

- Trip

Does anybody know if wtnh channel 8 is having problems with signal strenght?

I used to receive wtnh-dt with no problems but now its gone!!!

It’s only 6 miles away!!

My antenna is 40 feet up on the roof and I receive wctx 59.1(Mynetworktv) with no problems.

Both wctx 59.1 and wtnh have the same compass heading 152 degrees.

I had this setup for 3 years with very few problems.

I receive NBC and CBS and FOX 22 miles away with no problems!!

Very weird

Anyone having the same problems?

Does anybody know if wtnh channel 8 is having problems with signal strenght?

I used to receive wtnh-dt with no problems but now its gone!!!

It’s only 6 miles away!!

My antenna is 40 feet up on the roof and I receive wctx 59.1(Mynetworktv) with no problems.

Both wctx 59.1 and wtnh have the same compass heading 152 degrees.

I had this setup for 3 years with very few problems.

I receive NBC and CBS and FOX 22 miles away with no problems!!

Very weird

Anyone having the same problems?

No issues here in Cheshire. I have seen similar reports of problems with WTNH.

I used to receive wtnh-dt with no problems but now its gone!!!

It’s only 6 miles away!!

My antenna is 40 feet up on the roof and I receive wctx 59.1(Mynetworktv) with no problems.


Sounds like a classic case of signal overload. With VHF HI, especially, you do not want too much signal, or else you won't see the station. Try attenuating the signal and/or a much much lower gain antenna (indoor rabbit ears).

Is WTNH doing anything with their subchannels? I finally got a signal by walking my antenna around the yard. Some signal must be squeaking through the mass of tall trees to the south. It locked on with a weak signal but I didn't find anything on the 2 subchannels. It was cool to finally nab it however impractical for the time being.

One of the Subchannels shows up as scrambled for me on WTNH.

One of the Subchannels shows up as scrambled for me on WTNH.

I'm getting a black screen on 8-2 and 8-3.

CCGCT:
I wish I had your reception issues. :-)
In this state, an indoor antenna is not going to cut it. You may get WTNH and WCTX as well as 49 WEDH with an indoor antenna.

However, with an outdoor rooftop antenna, you are in a fantastic position to get the Hartford stations AND the locals off of Empire State Building.
The only downside will be rf channel 33. Both WFSB and WCBS are broadcasting on that frequency.
In my location, I have a hill blocking Hartford stations so I have never received WFSB. Since the leaves fell off the trees, I am now getting more signal from WFSB and it has pretty much wiped out my reception of WCBS.
The possible good news is WCBS is building a translator station on Long Island at the WLIW plant. So WCBS will also be transmitting on Channel 22. I already get WLIW on channel 21.
Hang in there. I'm sure we ALL cannot wait for this winter to leave us.
With something like a Channel Master 4228A antenna, it will most likely be possible to point the antenna at NYC and receive the Hartford stations from the back of the antenna so you won't have to rotate much.

I got the channel master 4228HD. And scheduled to install this weekend. My home is over 80 yrs old so I'm reluctant to attach anything to the chimney which is pretty short and made of brick. The entire house is surrounded by gutters. Is there an antenna mount/mast that can overcome these issues? My next alternative is to attach it to my deck, but would like to maximize height.

Other question. I have a direct tv dish attached to my deck. Can I pop the dish out, stick the antenna in that mount and use their cable already nicely hooked up to my tv's?

Anywhere local I can get an antenna mount?

I receive WTNH Channel 8 (digital channel 10) consistently and reliably, but almost never get 59. If they are transmitted from the same place, why is this the case? On the rare occasion I get it, subchannel 59.2 has Cool TV, sort of a retro MTV type of channel airing music videos. Channel 22.1 WWLP Springfield has the same station on their 22.2 subchannel, thankfully I reliably receive. I'm halfway between Hartford and New Haven at a high point near the I-91 Corridor.

Am enjoying the relatively new "Antenna TV" on Fox 61's subchannel...anyone else?

I receive WTNH Channel 8 (digital channel 10) consistently and reliably, but almost never get 59. If they are transmitted from the same place, why is this the case? On the rare occasion I get it, subchannel 59.2 has Cool TV, sort of a retro MTV type of channel airing music videos. Channel 22.1 WWLP Springfield has the same station on their 22.2 subchannel, thankfully I reliably receive. I'm halfway between Hartford and New Haven at a high point near the I-91 Corridor.

Am enjoying the relatively new "Antenna TV" on Fox 61's subchannel...anyone else?

AntennaTV is cool, especially the Stooge marathons! :D Channel 59 is broadcast at a lower power than channel 8. That's probably why you don't receive it as reliably.

Actually WTNH's effective radiated power is about 20 KW and WCTX's is 170 KW. UHF requires a much higher power than VHF to get the same coverage. UHF is usually more effectively blocked by hills than VHF so that may be some of your problem also.
John

Actually WTNH's effective radiated power is about 20 KW and WCTX's is 170 KW. UHF requires a much higher power than VHF to get the same coverage. UHF is usually more effectively blocked by hills than VHF so that may be some of your problem also.
John

Okay smarty pants! ;) WTNH's signal SEEMS stronger than WCTX's. :D Your explanation is, of course, right. Mine, not so much!

BTW - for those waiting on WTNH to actually have a decent HD picture / 5.1:

"We are hoping that we can accomplish this by summer's end."

BTW - for those waiting on WTNH to actually have a decent HD picture / 5.1:

"We are hoping that we can accomplish this by summer's end."

Tnh signal looks good here in queens, the sound is not good as abc7. what happened to weather channel on their sub, I see listed on guide but 8-2 is blank.

Tnh signal looks good here in queens, the sound is not good as abc7. what happened to weather channel on their sub, I see listed on guide but 8-2 is blank.

It's been on WCTX's subchannel for a while. WCTX is owned by LIN also.

It's been on WCTX's subchannel for a while. WCTX is owned by LIN also.

cool

BTW - for those waiting on WTNH to actually have a decent HD picture / 5.1:

"We are hoping that we can accomplish this by summer's end."

We'll believe it when we see it. They are bunch of liers and uncaring people.

BTW, WFSB went HD with their local news on May 31st. Field reports are only widescreen SD however.

Any chance WFSB will show Craig Ferguson in HD anytime soon?

Any chance WFSB will show Craig Ferguson in HD anytime soon?

I doubt it. They told me the reason he is in sd is because of having other programs in hd and not having the capacity to record them all in hd. IOW, they don't really care about his show.

I just notice this ... RTV - Retro TV is back on WSAH !!!

Looks like WTNH's HD feed finally went from super-mushy to near-pristine this week - noticed it on Monday (Charter Cable). Better late than never - it now looks much, much better. Still plenty of fine artifacting, especially around type, but that type is now nice and sharp. However, audio is still stereo-only. Hope that final modernization is ready to go soon.

Looks like WTNH's HD feed finally went from super-mushy to near-pristine this week - noticed it on Monday (Charter Cable). Better late than never - it now looks much, much better. Still plenty of fine artifacting, especially around type, but that type is now nice and sharp. However, audio is still stereo-only. Hope that final modernization is ready to go soon.

I noticed that too last night. Video is much sharper. It almost looks as good as WABC from New York. Looks like they also killed one subchannel which was useless WTNH in SD. Hope they fix mushy picture on WCTX now.

does anyone know if wedw ctv ch49 is off the air, I use get their signal at 90% I only get a slight move on meter now, I'm referring to over the air, not cable, maybe their signal is offline. I can get wsah pretty good here, and further out than wedw. this being the case the last couple of days.

Anyone else having problems receiving FOX 61 and Antenna TV 61.1 and 61.2 (Digital 31) lately?

Have always had a signal reading of high sixties to 70's and now no matter where I turn the antenna 0 signal.

Anyone else having problems receiving FOX 61 and Antenna TV 61.1 and 61.2 (Digital 31) lately? Have always had a signal reading of high sixties to 70's and now no matter where I turn the antenna 0 signal.
Sometimes when this kind of problem is experienced a rescan with your box or receiver may help.

Anyone else having problems receiving FOX 61 and Antenna TV 61.1 and 61.2 (Digital 31) lately?

Have always had a signal reading of high sixties to 70's and now no matter where I turn the antenna 0 signal.

I couldn't get either of them or 20.1 last night.

I found out my zenith dtt900 stb was a having a hard time decoding wedw, even with a strong signal. I just plugged my other stb a zenith dtt901, and is decoding fine. it seem that the dtt900 tuner has difficulty with 1 edge or refratcted signals.

I have a Samsung SIR451 connected to an RCA 3036 antenna mounted 30' above ground on the back of a detached 2 car garage. I have RG6 running into the house and I am able to point the antenna toward the station via my rotor, but I cannot get a lock on the ABC station at all nor can I get any Springfield stations with the exception of 3.3 which is a rebroadcast of CBS in Springfield from WFSB. What outside antenna's do all of you use and what HDTV OTA set top boxes do you use to get 1080i output via Component not composite video and not HDMI? I know I have to upgrade, but I want to get what works for me. I don't want to purchase a new TV either.

Keep in mind that WTNH's transmitter location is near New Haven so it will come in from a different direction than the Hartford stations. We could tell more about the signals at your location if you post your TVFool results. I find WTNH much easier to get here in Mystic than any of the UHF stations but you may have a hill blocking the New Haven direction. Probably not too many people are using set top boxes since all TVs made in the last few years include ATSC tuners. You have what looks like a good antenna. Depending on your actual signal strengths you might benefit from a preamp.
John

Keep in mind that WTNH's transmitter location is near New Haven so it will come in from a different direction than the Hartford stations. We could tell more about the signals at your location if you post your TVFool results. I find WTNH much easier to get here in Mystic than any of the UHF stations but you may have a hill blocking the New Haven direction. Probably not too many people are using set top boxes since all TVs made in the last few years include ATSC tuners. You have what looks like a good antenna. Depending on your actual signal strengths you might benefit from a preamp.
John

I can receive wvit and wcct in the evening most of time. i find that tnh is pretty easy to receive and wedw is my strongest station even better that nyc stations.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d3e47a47eff306a

Has anyone else noticed that Channel 59.3, the WTNH weather radar channel, has vanished? Argh! Don't they realize there's a hurricane coming? How will I know when it gets here?

I hope this is temporary.

Do you get WVIT-TV 30-2 at your place? It constantly loops the satellite and radar imagery.

Yes, but I liked 59-3 for some reason. It was simple and straightforward.

Did WTNH-DT drop its subchannels?

It would seem that way. (I got a TSReader update today.) Probably in preparation to add Bounce TV next month.

- Trip

Yip. Just as we get a hurricane coming our way 59.3 weather channel is dropped. Also noted the WTNH 8.x subchannels are blank.

Bounce TV.... interesting to say the least. ;)

Trip do you know if we have any other subs coming to the Hartford CT DMA
? Retro TV etc. I heard that NBC is pushing there own subs to their affiliates in LA and other metro areas. Looks like some major networks see a market opportunity to use the sub channels.

Cutthecable
http://www.tvictory.com

If WVIT hasn't already replaced NBC Plus with Nonstop, then Nonstop is coming. Otherwise, I haven't heard of anything else on the way.

- Trip

It's still their weather thingy on WVIT-TV 30-2 and Universal Sports on 30-3.

I noticed WFSB is finally showing Craig Ferguson in HD. :)

It's been a while since I've checked out this forum and I'm wondering if the tech from CPTV is still posting here? My question is whether CPTV is still contracted to broadcast TV Guide On Screen program data or if they are having any technical difficulties transmitting it. I have several TVGOS devices that have not received data for a few days now. I originally thought this was the fault of Comcast , but after checking the OTA feed I don't find the data stream there either. Any insight would be appreciated.
-Doug

UPDATE: My mistake. I was looking at the wrong service menu. There is guide info on the OTA channel. This is a Comcast issue.

It's been a while since I've checked out this forum and I'm wondering if the tech from CPTV is still posting here? My question is whether CPTV is still contracted to broadcast TV Guide On Screen program data or if they are having any technical difficulties transmitting it. I have several TVGOS devices that have not received data for a few days now. I originally thought this was the fault of Comcast , but after checking the OTA feed I don't find the data stream there either. Any insight would be appreciated.
-Doug

UPDATE: My mistake. I was looking at the wrong service menu. There is guide info on the OTA channel. This is a Comcast issue.

I just posted this question on the Comcast thread. I'm having the same problem on my 3 Sony DVRs. One of them acquired digital 45-1 (Ch. 24), another I had to force to do find VBI data from the same channel but the third does not have an antenna connected so I may be out of luck if Comcast has decided to kill this analog retransmission....

Glad to see WJAR 10.1 RF 51.1 from Providence R.I. has replaced RTV on 10.2 with a better choice, they now carry MeTV on 10.2 RF 51.2.

Much better programming line up!

http://metvnetwork.com/

Bruce.

Now if I could pick that up here in New Britain? The only station from that market I've ever received is WPXQ-TV (ION) channel 69. That's only because of their transmitter being near the Connecticut line!

I'm new to this forum and thankful that I found it, as I'm new to broadcast TV after getting disgusted with cable TV rip-off tactics and "bundles."

Here's my problem: I'm installed a chimney mounted Antennacraft® HD850 Heavy-Duty VHF/UHF/FM Antenna from Radio Shack. My cable run is about 35 feet from antenna to TV and I'm using a direct cable connection to two TV sets.

One set is a new Sony 40" LCD Bravia and the other is a Viewsonic 24" LCD. All channels (I get around 20) come in great on both sets, EXCEPT WVIT Channel 30.1 NBC. The Sony receives this channel great with no issues, BUT the Viewsonic refuses to see the channel (and only this channel).

Initially, I thought the issue was with the cable run to the Viewsonic either being too long or that electrical interference, etc., was to blame. Not the case, since when I move it to the cable feed for the Sony it still doesn't pick up Ch 30, even after numerous attempts to scan and re-scan channels.

I suspecting that this is a tuner issue with the Viewsonic, but it is receiving 3.1, 8.1, 40.1, 57.1 very clearly, so it is not a UHF issue. Hope someone has insights which can help me.

Thanks!!!

You should provide your location. It's hard to know the cause of your problem without knowing the signal strength you are getting. Possibilities are I could think of is the Viewsonic might less sensitive on just channel 35 due to internal noise on that channel or more likely it just can't handle multipath as well as as the Sony. For the multipath try reaming the antenna some and see if you can find a better pointing angle. Moving it up or down may also help. If none of your channels are too strong a preamp might also help.
John

After Irene, I was home and my parents didn't have cable, so I rigged up my little indoor amplified antenna to the TV's internal tuner, and from Madison I somehow was able to pick up WVIT, WTIC, whatever our CW channel is, WEDH, and a couple of others, which was rather shocking! I also managed to get WTNH, but it was a lot harder than I thought, and involved wedging the rabbit ears against something to get it to not block out on me. Somehow the concept of the signals being bit-for-bit the same as Comcast's were lost on them until they saw the picture and were amazed.

Thanks ctdish! Some additional details:

I'm located in Newington, about 10 miles from the WVIT transmitter. The signal strength on the Sony Bravia is very good. The antenna beam plane is about 30 feet up with no immediate obstacles between it and the signal path.

Also, I'm using an RCA signal amplifier/splitter indoors, ahead of both sets. Gain is 10db. I don't currently use a rotator, but am thinking of adding one into the system down the line. Currently I am pointing towards New Haven so I can pull in WTNH Ch8, but I may turn the beam 180 degrees to point more to the north, as 40.1 is also ABC and is in the Springfield area. This will give me a better general direction for WFSB, Fox 61, and WVIT Ch 30.

First thing to try is to replacing the amplified splitter with a passive splitter. Most cheap splitters introduce distortion and cause more harm than good to the signal.
John

Now if I could pick that up here in New Britain? The only station from that market I've ever received is WPXQ-TV (ION) channel 69. That's only because of their transmitter being near the Connecticut line!

WJAR 51.1 and MeTv on 51.2 might reach your area, WJAR comes in here between 75 to 95 % and I have a home made youtube 4 bay constructed on wood that pulls it in.

Point your UHF antenna to the east north east.

Imagine being here in Norwich, where ION stations WHPX 26 New London and WPXQ 17 HopeValley R.I. both boom in at 95%! Sometimes I get WDPX 40.1 from Vineyard Haven MA and WBPX 32.1 from Boston all at the same time, all 4 stations are ION TV.

Check your TVFool report and see if you can get WJAR.

Bruce.

I don't have a roof antenna here AND being near the bottom of Walnut Hill (New Britain) kills any chance of Providence and/or Rehoboth. At this point, I can't even lock WEDN-DT channel 9 from Norwich. I did get them sporadically when they were on their pre-transition UHF channel.

Thanks ctdish! Some additional details:

I'm located in Newington, about 10 miles from the WVIT transmitter. The signal strength on the Sony Bravia is very good. The antenna beam plane is about 30 feet up with no immediate obstacles between it and the signal path.

Also, I'm using an RCA signal amplifier/splitter indoors, ahead of both sets. Gain is 10db. I don't currently use a rotator, but am thinking of adding one into the system down the line. Currently I am pointing towards New Haven so I can pull in WTNH Ch8, but I may turn the beam 180 degrees to point more to the north, as 40.1 is also ABC and is in the Springfield area. This will give me a better general direction for WFSB, Fox 61, and WVIT Ch 30.

Unplug the amp! If youre in Newington, you do not need an amp to receive WVIT. You are probably suffering from major overload. Also Amps are notorious for causing noise between channels 29-36. Where you are in Newington, you should get just about everything you need with a passive signal.

Thanks for the advice, all. I tried unplugging the amp and was able to pull in ch 30 WVIT on the Viewsonic set, finally! However, I lost WGBY, but plan on rotating the antenna to face NNE, as I've found that the ABC channel in Springfield looks as good as the New Haven Ch8. One problem, later in the day Ch30 went away again, and I hadn't plugged in the amp, either - weird. I can only think that they may change power in the evening? I'll keep tinkering....

Did you unplug the amp or remove it from the line? If you unplugged it without removing it from the line, you're actually adding a lot of attenuation, knocking your signal down significantly across the board. Try removing the amp completely and see what happens.

- Trip

If you by unplugging you mean bypassing it with a splice or splitter then you did the right thing. If you remove power from an amplifier it becomes an attenuator and will weaken the signal a lot. TV stations do not change power except in the rare case of an equipment malfunction so that is not likely the cause of intermittent reception.
John

Did you unplug the amp or remove it from the line? If you unplugged it without removing it from the line, you're actually adding a lot of attenuation, knocking your signal down significantly across the board. Try removing the amp completely and see what happens.

- Trip

Possible, but many pre-amps switch to bypass upon loss of power, and don't have much insertion loss.

Try rotating your antenna for WGBY, it'll probably work.

The one thing that is definite here, you do not need an amp.

All good thoughts and will be tried. Basically, fine-tuning the system is expected and will contribute to overall success. I dropped off my cable box yesterday and couldn't be happier! Thanks Again!

Mike,
I have tried a bunch of TV preamps and distribution amps but have not run into one that was bypassed with the power removed. Do you know the model of one that does? I have ham preamps built into power amps that can be bypassed even with power applied by throwing a switch but that's the only type I can think of.
John

The model I'm using is a VH140N RCA 10dB video signal amplifier. They go for around $15-20 online or in home stores. When I power it down (unplug, really) only the most distant stations drop, so I'm suspecting that I'm not actually experiencing attenuation from the raw signal provided by the antenna. When weather permits and I get my friend's 30 foot ladder, I'll do a 180 on it to point it northward where I should be able to pick up everything of importance, station-wise.

You should still try removing it from the line to see.

- Trip

Just for info FiveForm. I am in Wethersfield and have no problem getting Springfield with a double bow tie mounted just above gutter height on a ranch. You should be fine with an antenna rotation. You may have to split the difference between North and West if that antenna is very directional.

One note about CH 40. Since they run ABC on 40-1 and FOX on 40-2 I think the picture suffers slight bit when both networks are in HD. It may be in my head but it's a lot of info to put on one channel. You may not even notice it.

Thanks 100/40. I'm getting Springfield 40.1 now with amp'ed antenna pointed in the opposite direction, so should have no trouble unamp'ed pointed in their direction. Also, as Trip in VA suggested, I'll try a true unamplified set-up after antenna rotation and see where I stand. As I mentioned, the initial set-up of the antenna was in consideration of receiving New Haven Ch 8, but at the time I wasn't aware of Springfield 40, so now I have the same general direction for everything I need in a general northerly direction.

Thanks Again!

Just a side question here: Your antenna is receiving VHF frequencies, correct? Besides WTNH-TV using channel 10, I'm pretty sure that WWLP-TV channel 22 uses VHF channel 11 for their digital.

I'm pretty sure that WWLP-TV channel 22 uses VHF channel 11 for their digital.
That is correct. WWLP 22News is on RF channel 11 and broadcasts from Provin Mountain in Feeding Hills MA (about 10 miles west of Springfield). WGGB (RF 40) and WGBY (RF 22) broadcast from Mt Tom about 10 miles north of Springfield.

No, RF Ch. 11 is not being received. That might change once I rotate the antenna, though...

Today I went to watch Universal Sports (30.3) out of Hartford and it, along with 30.2 and 30.1 are gone (I am in Danbury). Everything else is there, did it get dropped? I went to a lot of effort to set up an OTA system to be able to watch The Rugby World Cup so I hope it is a glitch...

I'm going to guess they are having problems. Really bad reception here in Wethersfield and it's usually rock solid. All the channels are there, but not watchable.

I don't think WVIT is having any transmit problems. It is comming in full strength here in Mystic. Last night I was receiving a bunch of DX stations, so interference fom another market is likely your problem.
John

I don't think WVIT is having any transmit problems. It is comming in full strength here in Mystic. Last night I was receiving a bunch of DX stations, so interference fom another market is likely your problem.
John

OOPS. Right you are John. I forgot my antenna wasn't pointed in the right direction. Rock solid now.

Any news About Hartford - new Haven Getting ME-TV , Or retro tv on A digital sub channel Also any reviews on Channel master CM-7000 PAL

Any news About Hartford - new Haven Getting ME-TV...

I've been wondering the same thing. I'd love to see Peter Gunn. Which channel would be a likely candidate to pick it up here in CT with WCCT carrying This! and WTIC Antenna-TV?

Retro TV affiliate WSAH appears to be bankrupt/no longer broadcasting (real channel 42).

Question - has anyone in the Connecticut river valley, Hartford to Springfield region been able to pick up WVBK from Manchester, VT? It is an Outside Television affiliate. It shows up as -5 NM(db) on my TV Fool report, with a couple of edges. The FCC coverage map reaches as far south as Amherst, MA.

Would think it would require a dedicated VHF-lo near fringe Yagi antenna (real channel 2).

Am currently getting 26 unique channels with a gutter height mounted A-Neutronics/Digiwave Gray-Hoverman influenced antenna pointed south south-east. Looks like this WVBK would be the next unique network to pick up.

I was watching Retro TV affiliate WSAH last night, it seems to be on the air still

Question - has anyone in the Connecticut river valley, Hartford to Springfield region been able to pick up WVBK from Manchester, VT? It is an Outside Television affiliate. It shows up as -5 NM(db) on my TV Fool report, with a couple of edges. The FCC coverage map reaches as far south as Amherst, MA.
There's actually two stations in central and southern Vermont that carry Outside Television: WVBK-CA and WVBQ-LP. WVBK-CA is on analog channel 2. Even though this is a class A low power station its power is so low I doubt that it would really carry well down into Massachusetts. (I've never received it off-air.) The transmitter is located on route 11 east of Manchester VT.

They have a construction permit to flash cut the channel 2 analog to digital but at still a relatively low power. They filed an application in mid September 2011 to increase the digital power albeit still on channel 2.

I think the service area that has been mentioned in this thread is that of the 43 dBu service contour that would result if the FCC grants the higher power digital application. (That shows coverage possibly down as far south as Amherst MA.)

Due to the proximity to the Canadian border the FCC has asked the Canadian regulator for their feedback on the higher power / better service area filing. If Canadian approval is needed that may extend the time it takes for the FCC to grant this request (noting that there could be other issues that could affect the decision as well).

There's a sister station (repeater) on channel 47, WVBQ-LP, which is licensed to Newport NH. They hold a construction permit to convert this to channel 26 digital which would significantly increase its coverage area. Although licensed to NH the actual transmitter is located on the Vermont ETV tower on Mt Ascutney just north of Springfield VT.

The stations are branded TV 12/20 because of their locations on the various cable systems that distribute their signals. The station's offices are on Putney Rd in Brattleboro VT.

http://www.wvbktv.com/


Would think it would require a dedicated VHF-lo near fringe Yagi antenna (real channel 2).
Indeed - you'd need an antenna that's capable of good gain on the low VHF band. The lower in frequency you go the larger the antenna will be. Also note that low VHF digital stations are subject to more interference (from man made sources) than higher channel numbers. Unless you're on a hill in CT with a good view to the north I doubt you'd be able to reliably receive WVBK-CD (if it is granted its higher power digital channel 2 application).

WTNH is now transmitting Dolby Digital audio and also noticed their in studio HD is much sharper.

Rumor is WSAH will be come a ME-TV Affilate on 1/4/12

MeTV's website:
http://metvnetwork.com

Okay, so now WVIT 30.3 (Universal Sports) is gone. Anyone know what is going on there?

Okay, so now WVIT 30.3 (Universal Sports) is gone. Anyone know what is going on there?

I guess I should have done a quick Internet search before asking this group. So Comcast decided to make a pay-TV channel out of Universal Sports, eh? No surprise there I guess.

Yup Universal Sports is now on Cable / DIRECTV only.

Looks like they just shut off the 30-3 carrier, but didn't allocate the bandwidth back into the main HD channel. They should have gotten rid of the Weather Plus as well since it is so inaccurate at times.

If they want a subcarrier I would love to see ME TV in Connecticut.

BTW whats on WTNH 8-2? I just did a rescan and am getting it in now (before I would get a message that the channel is scrambled) but today its showing a Fat Albert Marathon. What channel is this?

BTW whats on WTNH 8-2? I just did a rescan and am getting it in now (before I would get a message that the channel is scrambled) but today its showing a Fat Albert Marathon. What channel is this?

Answered my own question its the new Bounce TV Network.

http://www.bouncetv.com/

Yup Universal Sports is now on Cable / DIRECTV only.

Looks like they just shut off the 30-3 carrier, but didn't allocate the bandwidth back into the main HD channel. They should have gotten rid of the Weather Plus as well since it is so inaccurate at times.

If they want a subcarrier I would love to see ME TV in Connecticut.

ME TV in Connecticut will be on the air in CT,
on Ch. 43 WSAH starting 1/4/12, but its part of the NYC DMA :)

I get it OTA since its just over the pond from me
DISH carries WSAH if you have NYC Locals
Cablevision LI does not carry WSAH
FIOS (Verizon) has it on ch. 19

It would be a real stretch for me to get WSAH up here in the Northwest. It would be great if WVIT could get ME-TV. They need to do something useful with those sub-channels. I agree the weather sub was a complete waste.

Can you recieve WNYT 13.2
out of Albany NY (Troy/Schenectady area) ?

Can you recieve WNYT 13.2
out of Albany NY (Troy/Schenectady area) ?

No, WSAH is stronger. It shows up on my TVFool report in the gray zone, around -6 dB. Lot of tall trees to my south too.

I am getting signal on WSAH here in Newington, But when I try to tune into it my Panasonic 3DTV tells me that "Program Not Available (1)"

I am getting signal on WSAH here in Newington, But when I try to tune into it my Panasonic 3DTV tells me that "Program Not Available (1)"

They must have their PSIP screwed up, as I am getting nothing from them on 5 HDTV's. With my Antennacraft HD1850 on a rotor I get 98% from WCTX which is roughly the same direction.

Wow. Nice. WSAH put ME-TV on 43.1 and moved RTV to 43.2. That's a surprise. I figured they would replace RTV with ME. That kind of makes up for losing Universal Sports.

The new world of digital broadcast TV sure is fickle. You never know what's going to happen next.

Yea that was nice of them..

So now I can get RTV, ME-TV, THIS and ANTENNA !! with OTA

I guess the only channels I'm missing from OTA are:
PBJ
Tuff TV
My Family TV
My Car TV

Wow. Nice. WSAH put ME-TV on 43.1 and moved RTV to 43.2. That's a surprise. I figured they would replace RTV with ME. That kind of makes up for losing Universal Sports.

The new world of digital broadcast TV sure is fickle. You never know what's going to happen next.


ok it looks like WSAH does not carry ME-TV 24/7, according to
the Guide on Fios, 10pm - 2am and 6am - 10am
(6am-2pm on Weekends) they broadcast infomericals...

Been reading the thread in an effort to determine what kind of antenna would be appropriate for my location in New Haven (Westville section). Due to location (apartment building - 3rd floor) I cannot mount an external antenna (no balcony or the like). Currently using a Terk HDTVa and only getting WTNH and one of the PBS stations along with one or two other channels. Looking to pull in the Hartford stations (CBS, NBC, Fox, etc) in addition to the local New Haven channels. Once in a blue moon some of the Hartford channels come in for a few seconds before loosing the signal.

It seems that Channel Master 4228 - 8 bay antenna is popular here. Its hard to know if I would need an 8 bay or 4 bay type antenna. Also are there other brands that would be good for indoor use? I assume that most are using a pre-amplifier on antennas as well, what pre-amps are good ones?

Attached is the TVFool plot for my location in New Haven.

Unfortunately if TvFool is correct you have little chance of getting Hartford with an indoor antenna. The best chance is probably a 4228 with a good low noise preamp aimed out a window facing the Hartford stations.
John

Ctdish thanks for the reply. I figured there was probably little hope of using any kind of an antenna indoors to receive the Hartford stations. Unfortunately I don't have a window that faces North. Only East, West and South. Will have to experiment more to see if I can improve the receiption of channels with the Terk HDTVa.

For the people who live in New Haven, what antennas do you folks use? What kind of channels can you receive? And where do you have it mounted (attic, roof, etc)?

I'm going to guess that you may be behind West Rock. If so, Hartford will be tough. Just curious. Do you get any NY channels to the south and southwest?

He must be in a deep hole. Hartford is twice as far away from me and I get better TVFool numbers. His TVFool noise margin is a few dB above and below zero for Hartford and about -30 dB for New York so I would not expect much from there.
John

Yes I'm about half a mile south west (mistakenly said east) from West Rock. Back before the OTA transition from analog to digital, the home next to the building I live in, put up an antenna (top of the line Radio Shack outdoor model) up about 35 feet off the ground on a balcony and it extended a foot or two above the roof line, and was able to pull in most of the Hartford channels at the time. They used to get WPIX (and I think one or two other channels) out of NY/NJ pretty consistently too.

After playing around this afternoon with the digital converter box (DTT900) it showed most of the Hartford channels to have signal levels, pulled in by the Terk HDTVa, just below the top of the "bad" threshold (lower third of the signal bar the box displays). If I do go the new antenna route, hopefully adding a bigger antenna like the DB8 and an amplifier will pull in the Hartford stations.

The only stations I can receive 100% of the time with the Terk is WTNH and a PBS station. Sometimes it pulls in RTV (what ever that is) and some other channel that runs infomercials. Sometimes on a good day it will pull in one or two additional channels like CW (forget the channel call sign but its the one WTNH piggy backs with). I think I once pulled in a station from LI, it was something like channel 55 and showed old movies. Never pulled in the NYC channels with the Terk.

I am wondering how good the tuner is in the converter box. If you know someone with a small TV, and you can borrow it, I'd try it on your antenna, just to compare.

The results with other tuners are not much better, they are sort of all over the place on what devices receive which channels. Some channels have artifacting, freezing, or drop out completely before coming back a second or two later. Rotating the antenna slightly will probably fix this. Antenna used: Terk HDTVa. Time: 1:00 pm - 2:15pm. Antenna direction about 20 degrees from magnetic north (compass).

Here is the Zenith DTT900 pulls in today.
8.1 WTNH-DT (ABC)
8.2 (No Signal)
43.1 WSAH-DT
43.2 WSAH-2 (RTV)
55.1 WLNY TV
59.1 WCTX-DT
59.2 Cool TV
61.1 WEDY-1
61.2 WEDY-2
61.3 WEDY-3
61.4 WEDY-4

Magnavox HDTV 15MF227B
8.1 WTNH-DT
8.2 Bounce
28 (looks like someone's PC with a small video window streaming video content)
43.1 WSAH-DT
43.2 WSAH-2
49.1 WEDW-1
49.1 WEDW-2
49.3 WEDW-3
49.4 WEDW-4
55.1 WLNY TV
61.1 WEDY-1
61.2 WEDY-2
61.3 WEDY-3
61.4 WEDY-4

ATI 650 PCI PC Card (Windows XP + Beyond TV Setup)
8-1 WTNH-DT
8-2 Bounce

HDHomeRun (Windows XP + HDHomeRun Setup)
8.1 WTNH-DT
8.2 WTNH-DT2
59.1 WCTX-DT
59.2 WCTX-DT2
61.1 WEDY-1
61.2 WEDY-2
61.3 WEDY-3

Update to my previous posts, installed an Antennacraft U8000 antenna (inside at the highest point I could find) and outside of better reception of the following channels, no improvement in pulling in the Hartford stations. Lost 55.1 WLNY TV which isn't a big deal since it's an independent stations and only came in intermittently with the Terk antenna.
Here is the Zenith DTT900 pulls in today.
8.1 WTNH-DT (ABC)
8.2 Bounce
43.1 WSAH-DT
43.2 WSAH-2 (RTV)
59.1 WCTX-DT
59.2 Cool TV
61.1 WEDY-1
61.2 WEDY-2
61.3 WEDY-3
61.4 WEDY-4

Anyone use a pre-amplifier for deep reception and if so what preamps are the better ones to use? It appears the Channel Master 7777 preamplifier is out of stock at the major retailers.

Can Anyone in HARTFORD
see ch. 48 ( WRNT-LP )

samben:
Magnavox HDTV 15MF227B
28 (looks like someone's PC with a small video window streaming video content)



Was this analog or digital ?

any idea who this is ?

Probably W28AJ.

- Trip

samben:
Magnavox HDTV 15MF227B
28 (looks like someone's PC with a small video window streaming video content)

Was this analog or digital ?

any idea who this is ?
No idea who it was, it was picked up on analog that one day with the Magnavox TV. I did another scan today with the new U8000 antenna, unamplified, and that channel wasn't picked up, but 8 digital one were.

8.1 WTNH-DT (ABC)
8.2 Bounce
43.1 WSAH-DT
43.2 WSAH-2 (RTV)
61.1 WEDY-1 (PBS)
61.2 WEDY-2
61.3 WEDY-3
61.4 WEDY-4

Still trying to find an amplifier that will work at pulling in the Hartford channels. The Channel Master CM-7777 appears to be out of stock everywhere. Hard to tell if the Winegard AP8275 or the Winegard ANWI8700 will work in my location. Anyone have any experience with these or any other pre-amplifiers? Which one's work and which don't?

Wow. The Grammys really demonstrated how bad WFSB digital is. The bit rate they assign to 3-1 just couldn't keep up with the flashing lighting used at the event. 3-1 looked as bad as 3-4 usually is.

Multicasting on commercial TV has really gone down hill since it was introduced. It reached a quick peak when CBS could show multiple NCAA basketball tournament games, and it's been reduced to running multiple versions of the same programming with different commercials so they can get the must-carry status on cable systems.

Antenna TV has removed many of the shows that made it good. 40-2 was just a way to push WTIC out of Springfield. Universal Sports is gone, as well as the elimination of anything accurate on Weather Plus. I rarely hear anyone I've heard of on Cool. This sometimes does have decent movies, but they do lay heavy on the commercials at the end of the film. I don't speak Spanish, so 18 is just something delaying me as I scan through channels. And I don't understand why we need to separate people based on a particular race for their TV subchannel watching. Just like the recent Dannon Yogurt commercial (http://finance.boston.com/boston/news/read?GUID=20518745)that finds woman on man violence funny, wouldn't be allowed if the roles were reversed, WTNH's subchannel wouldn't be allowed if they claimed it was programming for people with a lighter skin pigment.

Public TV subchannels are quite good, although the Connecticut version of Create has the largest bug I've ever seen. At least I can watch it on 22-4, WGBY.

Carrier but no programming on WTNH 8.2. What happened to Bounce?

Carrier but no programming on WTNH 8.2. What happened to Bounce?

Did you call the station and ask? You may get better results asking them on the phone than here on the board.

Good point, why come here to ask questions....

Working fine for me as of Monday morning. Location is Glastonbury.

Good point, why come here to ask questions....

Just saying, you will probably get a faster and more accurate response by calling the affected station's engineering staff than on a message board.

still nothing on 08-02 , where bouncetv.com was

checked again after ctdish comfirms its there, but i cant get it
using DISH Network OTA Module in a 722 rec//

I am getting it OK. Try a rescan.
John

Attached is TSREADER Data for WTNH
just incase someone needs it to understand why some STB
are not working with Bounce TV.

====================

Program Association Table
PAT Version Number: 6
Transport Stream ID: 517 (0x0205)

PMT PID 16 (0x0010) - Network
PMT PID 48 (0x0030) - Program 3 WTNH-DT EIT Link
PMT PID 64 (0x0040) - Program 4 Bounce EIT Link

Program Map Table(s)
Network PMT Entry - carried on PID 16 (0x0010)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Program Number: 3 WTNH-DT
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 1911400 bytes per second
Descriptor: Multiplex Buffer Utilization Descriptor
Bound Valid Flag: 1
LTW Offset Lower: 180 Upper: 180

Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 49 (0x0031)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 14.450 Mbps Resolution 1280 x 720p
MPEG Video: Framerate 59.94 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Descriptor: Stream Identifier Descriptor
01 .
Descriptor: Video Stream Descriptor
Multiple frame rate flag: False
Frame rate: 59.94¼
MPEG-1 only flag: False
Constrained paramter flag: True
Still picture flag: False
Descriptor: Data Stream Alignment Descriptor
Alignment type: video access unit
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 1857450 bytes per second

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 52 (0x0034)
AC3: Bitrate 384 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 3/2 5 L, C, R, SL, SR
AC3: Center Mix Level -3.0 dB Surround Mix Level -3.0 dB
AC3: LFE Mode On Dialogue normalization -30 dB
Descriptor: Stream Identifier Descriptor
0b .
Descriptor: ISO639 Language Descriptor
Language: eng
Audio type: undefined
Descriptor: Registration Descriptor
Format identifier: 0x41432d33 (AC-3)
Descriptor: AC3 Audio Descriptor
f0 42 08 00 00 .B...
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 53950 bytes per second
Descriptor: ATSC AC-3 audio Descriptor
ATSC AC3 Descriptor

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Program Number: 4 Bounce
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 479500 bytes per second
Descriptor: Multiplex Buffer Utilization Descriptor
Bound Valid Flag: 1
LTW Offset Lower: 180 Upper: 180

Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 65 (0x0041)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Descriptor: Stream Identifier Descriptor
01 .
Descriptor: Video Stream Descriptor
Multiple frame rate flag: False
Frame rate: 29.97¼
MPEG-1 only flag: False
Constrained paramter flag: True
Still picture flag: False
Descriptor: Data Stream Alignment Descriptor
Alignment type: video access unit
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 452550 bytes per second

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 68 (0x0044)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R
AC3: Dolby Surround Mode Not Dolby Surround
AC3: LFE Mode Off Dialogue normalization -27 dB
Descriptor: Stream Identifier Descriptor
02 .
Descriptor: ISO639 Language Descriptor
Language: eng
Audio type: undefined
Descriptor: Registration Descriptor
Format identifier: 0x41432d33 (AC-3)
Descriptor: ATSC AC-3 audio Descriptor
ATSC AC3 Descriptor
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 27000 bytes per second

Terrestrial Virtual Channel Table
Channel 3
Service Name: WTNH-DT
TSID: 517 (0x0205) NTSC: 08 ATSC: 10 CT NEW HAVEN
Channel Number: 8.1
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 1
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0031
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0031 Language =
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0034 Language = eng

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Channel 4
Service Name: Bounce
TSID: 517 (0x0205) NTSC: 08 ATSC: 10 CT NEW HAVEN
Channel Number: 8.2
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 2
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0042
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0042 Language =
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0045 Language = eng

General Information
Source: ATSC BDA Source
Tuner: Channel 10 (195 Mhz)
Signal: Locked: 100% (-6.-660 dBm)
Network Type: ATSC
Run Time: 000:00:58
=======================

If you know what is wrong from the TSReader info you should probably send it to the engineering department at WTNH. At least tell them your results.
I tried my Dish211 receiver and it scans in 8-2 as boun but it does not get audio or video. My 2003 Mits TV has no trouble with it though.
John

Ooh, that's a bad one. The TVCT is pointing to the wrong PIDs in the PMT. Note how the TVCT lists the video as 0x0042 while the PMT has it as 0x0041. Same for the audio on 0x0045 versus 0x0044.

- Trip

Ooh, that's a bad one. The TVCT is pointing to the wrong PIDs in the PMT. Note how the TVCT lists the video as 0x0042 while the PMT has it as 0x0041. Same for the audio on 0x0045 versus 0x0044.

- Trip

I just sent an email to the transmitter engineer of WTNH of this issue. He's been a friend of mine for quite some time. (Which is why I suggested the earlier poster call them directly, so he would've been able to look into it quicker). We transmitter guys do our best, but aren't always perfect and sometimes mistakes slips through. Thanks for the detailed info guys.

It's Fixed

Attached is TSREADER Data for WTNH (2/29/2012 1340hrs

Program Association Table
PAT Version Number: 6
Transport Stream ID: 517 (0x0205)

PMT PID 16 (0x0010) - Network
PMT PID 48 (0x0030) - Program 3 WTNH-DT EIT Link
PMT PID 64 (0x0040) - Program 4 Bounce EIT Link

Program Map Table(s)
Network PMT Entry - carried on PID 16 (0x0010)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Program Number: 3 WTNH-DT
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 1911400 bytes per second
Descriptor: Multiplex Buffer Utilization Descriptor
Bound Valid Flag: 1
LTW Offset Lower: 180 Upper: 180

Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 49 (0x0031)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 14.450 Mbps Resolution 1280 x 720p
MPEG Video: Framerate 59.94 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Descriptor: Stream Identifier Descriptor
01 .
Descriptor: Video Stream Descriptor
Multiple frame rate flag: False
Frame rate: 59.94¼
MPEG-1 only flag: False
Constrained paramter flag: True
Still picture flag: False
Descriptor: Data Stream Alignment Descriptor
Alignment type: video access unit
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 1857450 bytes per second

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 52 (0x0034)
AC3: Bitrate 384 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 3/2 5 L, C, R, SL, SR
AC3: Center Mix Level -3.0 dB Surround Mix Level -3.0 dB
AC3: LFE Mode On Dialogue normalization -30 dB
Descriptor: Stream Identifier Descriptor
0b .
Descriptor: ISO639 Language Descriptor
Language: eng
Audio type: undefined
Descriptor: Registration Descriptor
Format identifier: 0x41432d33 (AC-3)
Descriptor: AC3 Audio Descriptor
f0 42 08 00 00 .B...
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 53950 bytes per second
Descriptor: ATSC AC-3 audio Descriptor
ATSC AC3 Descriptor

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Program Number: 4 Bounce
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 479500 bytes per second
Descriptor: Multiplex Buffer Utilization Descriptor
Bound Valid Flag: 1
LTW Offset Lower: 180 Upper: 180

Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 66 (0x0042)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Descriptor: Stream Identifier Descriptor
01 .
Descriptor: Video Stream Descriptor
Multiple frame rate flag: False
Frame rate: 29.97¼
MPEG-1 only flag: False
Constrained paramter flag: True
Still picture flag: False
Descriptor: Data Stream Alignment Descriptor
Alignment type: video access unit
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 452550 bytes per second

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 69 (0x0045)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R
AC3: Dolby Surround Mode Not Dolby Surround
AC3: LFE Mode Off Dialogue normalization -27 dB
Descriptor: Stream Identifier Descriptor
02 .
Descriptor: ISO639 Language Descriptor
Language: eng
Audio type: undefined
Descriptor: Registration Descriptor
Format identifier: 0x41432d33 (AC-3)
Descriptor: ATSC AC-3 audio Descriptor
ATSC AC3 Descriptor
Descriptor: Maximum Bitrate Descriptor
Maximum bitrate: 27000 bytes per second

Terrestrial Virtual Channel Table
Channel 3
Service Name: WTNH-DT
TSID: 517 (0x0205) NTSC: 08 ATSC: 10 CT NEW HAVEN
Channel Number: 8.1
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 1
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0031
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0031 Language =
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0034 Language = eng

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Channel 4
Service Name: Bounce
TSID: 517 (0x0205) NTSC: 08 ATSC: 10 CT NEW HAVEN
Channel Number: 8.2
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 2
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
Service Location Descriptor:
PCR PID 0x0042
Stream Type 0x02 (MPEG-2 Video) ESPID = 0x0042 Language =
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0045 Language = eng

It's Fixed

Attached is TSREADER Data for WTNH (2/29/2012 1340hrs



Yup.

Haha, very amusing. I would have expected the TVCT to be changed rather than the PMT, but whatever works. :)

- Trip

I think there's still something wrong with Bounce.
For some reason I'm not getting audio using my DISH Network OTA module.
My Samsung TV has no trouble but I only get video with DISH.
It's the only sub-channel I've had this problem with.

I'm also not seeing any guide data through Dish or my TV tuner & this is after checking for several days.
Anyone else have this problem?

Yup... I have the same problem on my Sony XBR960... No audio on 8.2

I think there's still something wrong with Bounce.
For some reason I'm not getting audio using my DISH Network OTA module.
My Samsung TV has no trouble but I only get video with DISH.
It's the only sub-channel I've had this problem with.

I'm also not seeing any guide data through Dish or my TV tuner & this is after checking for several days.
Anyone else have this problem?


Now its worse, DISH's OTA Module shows No Picture and No Audio on Bounce, but my USB Tuner (DVico) works just fine..

My DISH OTA tuner (622) is no where near as good as the one built into my Panasonic plasma. I've had no problem getting video and audio from 8.2 the past few days using my plasma tuner.

I emailed WTNH about the lack of audio on Bounce with certain tuners. They sent a quick reply today saying although they couldn't find an issue they switched to a backup encoder as a test.

Sure enough the problem has been solved on my Dish OTA tuner.

vssman, how is it on your Sony?

I now have sound...

I see that CPTV decided to pull the plug on Create. Too bad, that was the only PBS channel that I watched regularly.

I see that CPTV decided to pull the plug on Create. Too bad, that was the only PBS channel that I watched regularly.

I could not agree more. CPTV is supposedly for folks that want to think and be mentally stimulated. Now last night they are playing some high school sports game, of no interest to anyone in the state except the parents of the players who were at the game anyway! Very sad siutation indeed.

Please call them (CPTV) and let them know. 860-275-7550. Here's the link from their page http://www.cpbn.org/cptv-create-cable-reassignment

I see that CPTV decided to pull the plug on Create. Too bad, that was the only PBS channel that I watched regularly.

Guess I'll have to put up a bigger antenna so I can get WGBY signal a bit stronger.

CPTV guide data is almost never correct on my windows media center guide anyway.

Please call them (CPTV) and let them know. 860-275-7550. Here's the link from their page http://www.cpbn.org/cptv-create-cable-reassignment

Already emailed them so I will have the wife ring them up for sure!

At my New Britain location I do not get WTNH or WCTX. I do get 3, 18, 20, 24, 26, 30, 40, 61, and 69 with an indoor UHF bowtie antenna. I also use an indoor Mohu leaf antenna. I realize WTNH is on RF 10 VHF. My question is would the New Haven stations ever consider putting up a translator for the Hartford area on Rattlesnake Mountain or another location? Also, would the Hartford stations ever consider putting up a translator in the New Haven area? Remember WHNB channel 30 had a translator on channel 59 years ago. My thinking is that these options would provide full Hartford-New Haven market coverage.

Guess I'll have to put up a bigger antenna so I can get WGBY signal a bit stronger.

CPTV guide data is almost never correct on my windows media center guide anyway.

Lucky for me I get WGBY great.
CPTV guide data is often not up to date on their own site. If I were a member I wouldn't be happy because there is no real definite place to find out what's on. At 7:11 PM today, on the CPTV4U sched, posted for 9:00 PM you will see "to be announced". That's about 2 hours away. Is the program log done? This happens often, and during pledge it's a crap shoot to get up to date info. I would love to see this change.

My Channel Master 7000PAL tuner/DVR detected a new service today - Channel 8-3 WTNHSD. For now, the screen is black and the program guide reads "No Information".


Yea I see Ch. 8-3 its WTNH-SD ( 704 x 480i )
To bad its over compressed..

TSReader Data is attached
(rename to .htm)

Lost the audio again on 8.2 on my Sony XBR960...

Guys I'm down in Clinton (on the shoreline) and have had enough of paying $75/mo. for Comcast's crap service. I think I've finally desided to cut the cable and just live with OTA. I have older sets and basically know next to nothing about what I'm going to need to do the switch over.

Doing a tiny bit reading on antennas and looking at the TV Fool report for my house (http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dde6531f1a1086f), I think I'm going to order one of the following RCA antennas... ANT751R, ANT3036X, or ANT3038XR (not sure what the difference is between the last two). I just want to make sure I can get WFSB (NBC), so any recommendations would be great.

Also, what else will I need? I understand I'll need some type of STB for converting the digital signal, correct? If so, what should I be looking for? Comcast just sent me some digital converter boxes for their change over, but I assume these are not the boxes I need for the OTA digital conversion, correct?

Anything else that I'll need to pick up other then the antenna, mount, wire, and some type of STB?

I'm really looking forward to telling Comcast to stick it! :D

Thanks!!!

Guys I'm down in Clinton (on the shoreline) and have had enough of paying $75/mo. for Comcast's crap service. I think I've finally desided to cut the cable and just live with OTA. I have older sets and basically know next to nothing about what I'm going to need to do the switch over.

Doing a tiny bit reading on antennas and looking at the TV Fool report for my house (http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dde6531f1a1086f), I think I'm going to order one of the following RCA antennas... ANT751R, ANT3036X, or ANT3038XR (not sure what the difference is between the last two). I just want to make sure I can get WFSB (NBC), so any recommendations would be great.

Also, what else will I need? I understand I'll need some type of STB for converting the digital signal, correct? If so, what should I be looking for? Comcast just sent me some digital converter boxes for their change over, but I assume these are not the boxes I need for the OTA digital conversion, correct?

Anything else that I'll need to pick up other then the antenna, mount, wire, and some type of STB?

I'm really looking forward to telling Comcast to stick it! :D

Thanks!!!

"old tvs" is pretty vague. They are either digital or they are not. If they are, I doubt you would need a converter, but if they are, you will have to hit the Rat Shack most likely and get a cheap box. I do not believe the Comcast boxes will help you at all for OTW reception. Solid Signal is also a good source for antenna related questions or antenna portion of AVS. FWIW I was in your position 6 months ago. $75 for Comcast analog, $80 or so for Phone and very slow (2.5 millipoops) AT+T Internet plus a load of taxes. Much as we disliked Comcast, we decided to take them up on their special and now for $149 including taxes we get gobs of digital channels, great picture, very fast internet and very clear phone, i.e. a lot more bang for somewhat less bucks. If you have old non-hd tvs the price could even be less if you haggle a bit with them. Up to you, but we tried antenna and got a decent amount of stations, but nothing compared to what we have now and we were still stuck with sluggish internet.

"old tvs" is pretty vague. They are either digital or they are not. If they are, I doubt you would need a converter, but if they are, you will have to hit the Rat Shack most likely and get a cheap box. I do not believe the Comcast boxes will help you at all for OTW reception. Solid Signal is also a good source for antenna related questions or antenna portion of AVS. FWIW I was in your position 6 months ago. $75 for Comcast analog, $80 or so for Phone and very slow (2.5 millipoops) AT+T Internet plus a load of taxes. Much as we disliked Comcast, we decided to take them up on their special and now for $149 including taxes we get gobs of digital channels, great picture, very fast internet and very clear phone, i.e. a lot more bang for somewhat less bucks. If you have old non-hd tvs the price could even be less if you haggle a bit with them. Up to you, but we tried antenna and got a decent amount of stations, but nothing compared to what we have now and we were still stuck with sluggish internet.


Our TV's are non digital, so I will need a converter for them.

I hear you on all the bills, we've had the same conversation. I did think about giving in to the evil Comcast and almost bought in to one of their packages, but at the end of the day I knew it was only a 6 month deal and then the rates go back up. The reality is I dont watch much TV, just an occasional movie here and there these days. The wife does, but she'll adapt! :D Honestly, between the big four, netflix, and hulu, I think we should have suficiant content for under $10/month... and I'll feel better I'm no longer contributing to Comcast's bottom line! ;)

Guys I'm down in Clinton (on the shoreline) and have had enough of paying $75/mo. for Comcast's crap service. I think I've finally desided to cut the cable and just live with OTA. I have older sets and basically know next to nothing about what I'm going to need to do the switch over.

Doing a tiny bit reading on antennas and looking at the TV Fool report for my house (http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dde6531f1a1086f), I think I'm going to order one of the following RCA antennas... ANT751R, ANT3036X, or ANT3038XR (not sure what the difference is between the last two). I just want to make sure I can get WFSB (NBC), so any recommendations would be great.

Also, what else will I need? I understand I'll need some type of STB for converting the digital signal, correct? If so, what should I be looking for? Comcast just sent me some digital converter boxes for their change over, but I assume these are not the boxes I need for the OTA digital conversion, correct?

Anything else that I'll need to pick up other then the antenna, mount, wire, and some type of STB?

I'm really looking forward to telling Comcast to stick it! :D

Thanks!!!

Comcast boxes don't work with OTA but even if they did, you cant use their equipment unless you're a paying customer. You would be in possession of stolen equipment.

"old tvs" is pretty vague. They are either digital or they are not. If they are, I doubt you would need a converter, but if they are, you will have to hit the Rat Shack most likely and get a cheap box. I do not believe the Comcast boxes will help you at all for OTW reception. Solid Signal is also a good source for antenna related questions or antenna portion of AVS. FWIW I was in your position 6 months ago. $75 for Comcast analog, $80 or so for Phone and very slow (2.5 millipoops) AT+T Internet plus a load of taxes. Much as we disliked Comcast, we decided to take them up on their special and now for $149 including taxes we get gobs of digital channels, great picture, very fast internet and very clear phone, i.e. a lot more bang for somewhat less bucks. If you have old non-hd tvs the price could even be less if you haggle a bit with them. Up to you, but we tried antenna and got a decent amount of stations, but nothing compared to what we have now and we were still stuck with sluggish internet.

Thanks for the shout-out!

Comcast boxes don't work with OTA but even if they did, you cant use their equipment unless you're a paying customer. You would be in possession of stolen equipment.

Thanks for all your insightful wisdom and input. :rolleyes:

I see CPTV put up Create on 24.4 with a crawl that states it's for a technical test. No audio on my Sony XBR960 but there is on my Viewsonic. Hepefully they'll fix the audio and keep the channel (or content at least)...

Still no audio on 8.2 as well

:confused:

Guys I'm down in Clinton (on the shoreline) and have had enough of paying $75/mo. for Comcast's crap service. I think I've finally desided to cut the cable and just live with OTA. I have older sets and basically know next to nothing about what I'm going to need to do the switch over.

Doing a tiny bit reading on antennas and looking at the TV Fool report for my house (http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dde6531f1a1086f), I think I'm going to order one of the following RCA antennas... ANT751R, ANT3036X, or ANT3038XR (not sure what the difference is between the last two). I just want to make sure I can get WFSB (NBC), so any recommendations would be great.

Also, what else will I need? I understand I'll need some type of STB for converting the digital signal, correct? If so, what should I be looking for? Comcast just sent me some digital converter boxes for their change over, but I assume these are not the boxes I need for the OTA digital conversion, correct?

Anything else that I'll need to pick up other then the antenna, mount, wire, and some type of STB?

I'm really looking forward to telling Comcast to stick it! :D

Thanks!!!

Guys, any input on antenna selection???

WoW - Analog TV is still alive in Springfield, Mass

Due to last nights conditions, Last night I decided to
look at Analog TV, and I picked up
Ch.34 - WTXX
Ch.50 - WDMR

Not to forget DTV, I picked up
Ch.51 - WJAR (DTV Ch. 10) from PROVIDENCE, RI

wet1,
Your signals from Hartford are moderately weak especially WFSB (CBS) so I would go with a large UHF antenna like the 91XG or the CM 4228. Since you have some very strong stations I would also suggest a low gain preamp like the HDP-269. You might need to add a small VHF high band antenna to get WTNH.
John

Hi

Does any one live around mystic CT I was wondering on the reception in my area? I am looking to purchase an OTA antenna shortly. Although if I input my address into antennaweb.org they only list 3 stations. If I to to antenapoint.com.



I can see 19 stations within 60 miles. antennaPoint suggested this antenna

Name: ClearStream2™
SKU: C2
Range: 1 - 50mi
Pattern: "Multi-Directional"
Location: "Indoor / Outdoor"
Channels: "UHF 14-69 "
Gain: 10.2 dBi
Dimensions: 20.0"L, 20.0"W, 20.0"H

Would it be wise to do to the clearstream4 or I am not going to receive channels to many websoite tell me different information. Some stations are VHF hwhich means I need another antenna to get the VHF.

Thanks

Dave

Dave,
I live in Mystic and it is very difficult to get reliable reception here. We can get a better indication of what is at your location if you post TVFool results.
John

For the record I do not understand this info from TVfool need hep with this. I will see if I an past the results on here I tried a HTML link and it said i have to have 3 posts first. I will have to paste in in the four post.

This is a prepost for a link to TVfool

Here is the link of my results

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dde659006c78113

thanks dave

Dave,
You could probably get the two Ion stations with a simple UHF antenna like the Clearstream. It might also get WEDN but a small VHF high antenna would get a stronger signal. A decent size VHF high antenna mounted above the roof would probably receive WTNH most of the time. To get reliable reception from the rest of the network stations from Hartford will probably require stacked UHF antennas mounted on a tall tower.
John

what is a stack of UHF antennas really?

A stack of UHF antennas wood most likely not be allowed in my neighborhood. the HOA wood say it is a eye sore most likely. Not sure one antenna would not get attention.

Never ask them yet but I bet I know the answer. though all this for 4 channels maybe others are mostly like to weak. Well, I wanted to know for sure before I purchased one. I do not think it is work the money for 4 channels. I always live in the bad areas.

now am a little depressed it will pass.


Thanks
dave

I will see where I live in CT in the future maybe I will have better luck.

Dave,
Stacked antennas are several of the same type of antenna with the outputs combined to increase signal level. As has been said in many other posts and probably a few court cases, as long as you own the location of the antenna HOA rules are completely preempted by FCC rules that allow TV antennas.
If you want try something at your location I have a couple of antennas you could borrow.
John

If it's your private home (not a common area of a condo building), HOAs can not restrict OTA antennas and can't even require a permit or permission to install one.

I did not now this the FCC law with OTA, I will look that up. But I was looking at the channels from Providence RI and maybe I could receive those and not worry about Hartford CT. I was studying the channel list and how far each station is but I am still unsure. My other half would not want me to spend to much on a system. I could not install it I am afraid of heights. my house has vary steep sloping roof.

I had a analog TV antenna with a rotator in Ohio back in 1985 ish and I got many stations with that and I just purchased it, and this house was one story. I lived I the lowest part of my small town down a hill behind the court house.

I got most of the stations from Dayton OH and a few from Richmond Ind which is not a big deal the city was 20 miles away from me but had 3 channels did I say small town. I search for antenna cost an I can pickup one for a better price on amazon than antenna direct.

I would need to get another turner card for my DVR/PC but that is easy . I use the one now for comcast and digital adapter which if it was not for the FCC would be charging $5 per month for.

I might borrow one of yours to see if i can get any stations. This may help me decided.

I have look into FTA satellite and FTA has two satellites that I like the channels on and these seems to not vanish like the other statons on FTA but this is all in research yet.

Dave

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule

We own our home although the whole sub is an HOA. I knew the law coming in and put up my antenna, tastefully. It was brought up at the HOA meeting and they wound up having to change the bylaws. The irony: The one who brought it to the board, now has a D* dish on his house. And the way his property sits, it had to be mounted on the side at the front corner. LOL

As long as it is not on common area, you can legally put it up. Just do it neatly.

BTW, that whole area is tough. John you came by my place in Westerly (near the airport) about 5 yrs ago and we tried for hours with little to show. That was tough getting reception. I always felt the whole shoreline area of Washington and New London Counties was left out in the cold for reception.

Found the perfect antenna for you

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/ele/3000564130.html

WOW, those are gold.