WSJV. WNIT and WHME don't count since they're already digital-only.

- Trip

Sorry to correct you, but WSJV 28.1 is still broadcasting on their analog transmitter.. Well at least at the moment they are. :) You are correct about WNIT and WHME however.

I've been wondering if this transition delay is mandatory for a broadcaster, or if this allows them to shut down their analog transmitter anytime after February 17th. If it's the latter, then really the delay is just to extend the coupon program and allow the broadcasters to broadcast until June if they wish.. Am I correct in that assumption?

Sorry to correct you, but WSJV 28.1 is still broadcasting on their analog transmitter.. Well at least at the moment they are. :) You are correct about WNIT and WHME however.

The question was, "Who is shutting down on February 17?" The answer is WSJV. :)

- Trip

The question was, "Who is shutting down on February 17?" The answer is WSJV. :)

- Trip

Sorry about that Trip.. I think this is what happens when I substitute my morning coffee for a hot chocolate. I should have known better than to hop on the forums before consuming the proper amount of caffeine. LOL Otherwise I never read anything right. ROFL!

Who is shutting down on February 17? How about everyone? In a story about S.328 (the first bill attempt):Congress likely to delay end of analog TV to June
Posted: Jan 28, 2009 07:18 AM

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What does this mean for you?

If the bill is signed into law, broadcasters will still have the option to turn-off their analog signals starting on February 17th.

FOX 28 has been in discussions with the other TV stations in town to go ahead with the switch on that date.

That means you still only have 21 days to get your TV sets prepared.http://www.fox28.com/Global/story.asp?s=9745180

As previously noted by hvs10trk, there is no plan to shut down the LP stations (WBND/WCWW/WMYS) on any date.

Who is shutting down on February 17? How about everyone? In a story about S.328 (the first bill attempt):http://www.fox28.com/Global/story.asp?s=9745180

As previously noted by hvs10trk, there is no plan to shut down the LP stations (WBND/WCWW/WMYS) on any date.
WMYS-69 will shut down because its "out of core" and does interfere with Cook County (IL) radios. (Unless there's a delay of course)

WMYS-69 will shut down because its "out of core" and does interfere with Cook County (IL) radios. (Unless there's a delay of course)

Yep, they are still at it.. http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/30/senate-okays-another-digital-tv-transition-delay/

My perspective of this is if people had actually been watching TV for the past few years, then they would have known to be ready by February 17th for the digital transition. Why should progress be held up by the procrastinators?

Yep! Musical chairs only DTV style!

Does anyone have any idea what's going to happen to channel 18 W18CF (TBN repeater in Elkhart) after February 17th? Are they required to switch to digital, or do they fall under the same rules as the low power stations?

Does anyone have any idea what's going to happen to channel 18 W18CF (TBN repeater in Elkhart) after February 17th? Are they required to switch to digital, or do they fall under the same rules as the low power stations?

Low power, repeater, and Class A's are not required to shut down. (Yet)

WMYS-69 will shut down because its "out of core" and does interfere with Cook County (IL) radios. (Unless there's a delay of course)It interferes with a radio system in St Joseph and Elkhart Co as well. :)

If the FCC would just approve the displacement application to move to analog channel 34 filed last July it wouldn't be an issue.

Is ABC 57 safe? Or "just for now" until someone wants to put a radio system there?

Does anyone have any idea what's going to happen to channel 18 W18CF (TBN repeater in Elkhart) after February 17th? Are they required to switch to digital, or do they fall under the same rules as the low power stations?W18CF has a construction permit to flash cut from analog to digital on channel 18. The permit expires March 17th.

So we'll either see a flash cut by March 17th or an extension filed for the CP.

It interferes with a radio system in St Joseph and Elkhart Co as well. :)

If the FCC would just approve the displacement application to move to analog channel 34 filed last July it wouldn't be an issue.

Is ABC 57 safe? Or "just for now" until someone wants to put a radio system there?

I believe it is safe unless someone wants the frequency.

Did WNDU turn off 16.2 to increase mbps on 16.1 for super bowl?

Despite Wednesday's vote, WNDU will still go digital Feb. 17 (http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headlines/39109512.html)
Despite the fact that Congress voted Wednesday to delay the digital transition to June 12, it's still WNDU's plan to go fully digital on February 17th.

Like many stations across the country and this market. We've already filed a 30 day notice with the federal government to turn off our analog signal.

Our legal counsel is keeping up on the situation in Washington.

We'll continue to update you on how Wednesday's vote affects both us, and you.A reminder that ALL full power stations in the market have agreed to go on or before February 17th.
Power to the people! :)

Did Fox28's signal mess up during American Idol last night (Tuesday) for anyone else? Half of the show was corrupted, and my DVR was only able to play back the first and last 15 minutes or so. Just wondering if this was on my end or theirs.

This was a comcast DVR, not OTA, so it wasn't signal loss.

My AI coverage was fine OTA on my DTV pal DVR...

i will just be happy to get TVGOS at some point...

Did Fox28's signal mess up during American Idol last night (Tuesday) for anyone else? Half of the show was corrupted, and my DVR was only able to play back the first and last 15 minutes or so. Just wondering if this was on my end or theirs.

This was a comcast DVR, not OTA, so it wasn't signal loss.

I watched AI on my Media Center this time, but it played perfectly fine with out any problems for me at all.

KP Ryan, I just got a DTVPal DVR myself and I absolutely love it! It doesn't have all the flash and flair of the Media Center, but it's sure nice to watch television with out the sound of noisy pc fans causing a distraction.

As for how I feel about the transition delay.. I think it will do more harm than good. I don't have any problem with the extension of the coupon program, but I think that's what the government should really be calling this the DTV coupon extenstion, not the dtv transition delay.. This isn't going to stop the tv stations from shutting down their analog transmitters if they so choose so.. Unfortunately I think a lot of people will only become confused when this does happen thinking that they won't shut down their analog transmitters until June. I think there's going to be far more people madder than a hatter after the original 17th deadline due to this new "transition" date. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to get the wrong impression and think they won't have to worry about getting a converter box until June.

Unfortunately I think a lot of people will only become confused when this does happen thinking that they won't shut down their analog transmitters until June. I think there's going to be far more people madder than a hatter after the original 17th deadline due to this new "transition" date. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to get the wrong impression and think they won't have to worry about getting a converter box until June.Hopefully people will get the message ... WNDU 16 made it clear on their newscasts today. Here is confirmation from each of the stations. (WHME and WNIT are already digital only ... ABC57, CW25 & My69 are LP, are not affected by the February 17th/June 12th date, and will stay on the air in analog and digital.)

Despite Wednesday's vote, WNDU will still go digital Feb. 17
http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headlines/39109512.html

WSJV-TV 28 will be terminating its analog signal at 9:00am on February 17, 2009.
http://www.fox28.com/global/story.asp?s=9789092

WSBT will be making the switch on February 17 as scheduled. That means anyone using a converter box will need to rescan it on February 18 to see WSBT.
http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/39102617.html

As long as our market keeps their focus on February 17th people should not be too confused. Hopefully national stories won't get much air.

About 12 days to go ...

11 days to go!

I'm not sure if it has to do with moving my antenna a couple of months back, but I'm still seeing white flashes through out Smallville. My new DTVPal DVR has also been informing me everytime I watch Smallville that there was a signal loss that part of my program might be missing.. So far nothing seems to be missing, just those darn white flashes. They look like that same scrambled mess that I mentioned before. Hopefully this will work itself out after the 17th.

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama wants to hear what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

I see WMYS 69.1 is down.. I wonder what happened?

9 days to go till analog high power shutoff

WMYS 69.1 is still down for me. I talked to my brother (who lives in Mishawaka) and he confirmed that 69.1 was down for him too. I scanned and rescanned and I pick up 69.1 everytime, but the DVR says there is no signal.

The signal for WCWW 25.1 is awful today too.. The signal is bouncing between 65%-75% and only seems to stabilize for short periods of time. As far as I can tell 57.1 WBND seems to be coming in rock solid at about 86%-88% signal strength.

Hopefully TVGos will go in effect as Macrovision suggested it would on the 17th. However on a side note I'm a bit disappointed with the PSIP guide data for WCWW 25.1 in regards to movies. They don't tell you what movie is playing, just a vague description of Movie.. If you check online or even on the Media Center guide it tells you what movies they are.. Why not on PSIP too?

Speaking of PSIP, 16, 22, and 28 sprung forward an hour. What's up with that? Man digital TVGos can't come soon enough!

I see 69.1 WMYS just came back. Just FYI.

I see 69.1 WMYS just came back. Just FYI.

Power supply died in the exciter. Had a new one flown in by carrier pidgeon.

Power supply died in the exciter. Had a new one flown in by carrier pidgeon.

Somehow I don't think I'd want to be mistaken for a worm by that carrier pigeon. ROFL

7 days to go till the local switch! Are you ready?

7 days to go till the local switch! Are you ready?

Am I ready? Lets see. I own a HDTV with an ATSC tuner capable of analog too, a computer with 1 analog and two ATSC tuners, a OTA DVR with 2 ATSC tuners, and an HD cablebox from Comcast.. With that said, I'm not sure. I sure hope my screen doesn't go dark on February 17th. :-P~ ROFL

I'm as ready as SpongeBob SquarePants!
Kill them now!!! :D

(I got the one TV at work ready a couple of weeks ago. My wife's work has a TV that isn't ready. Less TV in the breakroom. :))

Here's the list of stations that have notified the FCC of Feb 17th sign off.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-221A5.xls

Here's the list of stations that have notified the FCC of Feb 17th sign off.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-221A5.xlsIt should be interesting. It looks like South Bend is one of nine markets that are going "all digital" other than the markets who have already gone. We're practically the definition of the market that the FCC seemed worried about where all stations are going digital ... except South Bend isn't overly unconverted.

One of the filings estimates that only 1% of their viewers are not ready for digital. The prior loss of WNIT and WHME might have pushed some slowpokes, but losing three major networks on February 17th is something to think about.

If the FCC does question the "public interest" of shutting down February 17th I hope having strong LP stations helps the market. I DO NOT want to see the FCC deny a single station from turning off their analog.

Anyone know if and when WHME 46.1 is moving from ch 48 to ch46?

What does "NITE LIGHT" mean on the chart of the changing stations mean?

Anyone know if and when WHME 46.1 is moving from ch 48 to ch46?The last I checked they were still waiting for permission. Once the channel change is granted they will have to file a CP, get that granted and then move. It could take a while with all the other activity surrounding transition/non-transition.

What does "NITE LIGHT" mean on the chart of the changing stations mean?Ceasing normal programming and leaving the analog station on the air for a limited amount of time as a beacon to those who did not change to digital. "Nightlight" stations will broadcast a continuous loop of "you missed it" transition information as well as any emergency information that is needed during the nightlight period.

The last I checked they were still waiting for permission. Once the channel change is granted they will have to file a CP, get that granted and then move. It could take a while with all the other activity surrounding transition/non-transition.

Specifically, it's awaiting a Canadian stamp of approval.

Had the FCC said no, we'd have heard about a dismissal by now...

- Trip

WHME will still need a CP to take advantage of the new channel once the table is modified. Correct?

WHME will still need a CP to take advantage of the new channel once the table is modified. Correct?

Yes, but I don't expect the grant on that to take more than two or three days once they file for it.

- Trip

Here's the list of stations that have notified the FCC of Feb 17th sign off.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-221A5.xls

I believe this listing is the same thing, but is in PDF format for people like me who don't have MS Excel / Office installed.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-221A5.pdf

Ceasing normal programming and leaving the analog station on the air for a limited amount of time as a beacon to those who did not change to digital. "Nightlight" stations will broadcast a continuous loop of "you missed it" transition information as well as any emergency information that is needed during the nightlight period.

I swear if it were up to me, I'd just broadcast this on an endless loop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy-pD-M0rY4

I believe this listing is the same thing, but is in PDF format for people like me who don't have MS Excel / Office installed.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-221A5.pdf

Yeah sorry about that. I was trying to find a board friendly version.

Why do the stations that are shutting down analog have to run a banner notifying the viewers on the digital channel? Why not just run it on the analog channel? Us people watching the digital channel are ready, obviously. Does the FCC require the banner on the digital channel?

Why do the stations that are shutting down analog have to run a banner notifying the viewers on the digital channel? Why not just run it on the analog channel? Us people watching the digital channel are ready, obviously. Does the FCC require the banner on the digital channel?

Because 95% of your stations out there are feeding the same thing to analog as they are to digital. It would be costly for some and for others a workflow nightmare to have an analog only crawl.

The FCC has denied permission to WNDU, WSBT and WSJV to cease broadcasting on February 17th.

They can get around the denial by making another filing by Friday, 6pm ET. Basically the stations as a group have to come up with a plan to have "nightlight" service or otherwise prove that the stations MUST shut down on the 17th. :(

The FCC has denied permission to WNDU, WSBT and WSJV to cease broadcasting on February 17th.

They can get around the denial by making another filing by Friday, 6pm ET. Basically the stations as a group have to come up with a plan to have "nightlight" service or otherwise prove that the stations MUST shut down on the 17th. :(
How come they are still running the Feb. 17th crawler on the screen at 5 pm today if the FCC says they can't do it??
Jim

See my second paragraph. Either they intend on making the additional filing and meet the requirements of providing a 60 day nightlight service, staffed help centers and other requirements. Or they intend to file a claim of extreme need to turn off their analog. Or they intend to sue the government.

In any case, the crawl and slates shows their INTENT to shut down next Tuesday. Updates as they come.

Did the President ever sign the analog delay bill?

Did the President ever sign the analog delay bill?

He finally did sign it :( .

I noticed last night (around 2 am) that 22's analog channel was was missing but only after I turned on my DVR and it said there were "3 new services." I was a bit puzzled because there wasn't any new channels. I hopped on my TV's tuner and did a rescan and found 22's analog channel was missing! (It dawned on me at that moment the 3 new services are the existing HD channel, and 2 sub channels. However this didn't last long. I eventually had to rescan again and the analog plus WSBT's 3 digital channels came back, but with out guide data.

Looks like you caught a test for next Tuesday. :D

FYI: WNDU is now advertising 6:30pm Feb 17th as the moment they end analog.
Funny thing is that the 17th is also "DTV Tuesday". They will run a shut down test in the 6pm news then run the ultimate test at the end of the newscast. :D

Looks like you caught a test for next Tuesday. :D

FYI: WNDU is now advertising 6:30pm Feb 17th as the moment they end analog.
Funny thing is that the 17th is also "DTV Tuesday". They will run a shut down test in the 6pm news then run the ultimate test at the end of the newscast. :D

I wonder if they'll play the Star Spangled Banner just after the news cast, show a color bar test pattern, then go to static. Then just after that for creepy factor they can broadcast a scary voice calling for Carol Anne. (You know that scene from Poltergeist?) That would be classic. :)

EngadgetHD is reporting that the FCC just released a new "Go No Go List.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/13/the-fcc-releases-the-go-nogo-analog-shutoff-list/

The list can be found here. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-221A5.pdf

Did anybody else's fox28 signal mess up during terminator tonight?

I'm not sure if it was a problem with fox28's signal o my DVR. It also happened with American idol a few episodes ago.

Did anybody else's fox28 signal mess up during terminator tonight?

I'm not sure if it was a problem with fox28's signal o my DVR. It also happened with American idol a few episodes ago.

I didn't have any trouble on my Media Center, but my DTV Pal DVR didn't even bother recording despite I had it set to record.. Not sure what happened there. Otherwise it recorded fine for me.

EngadgetHD is reporting that the FCC just released a new "Go No Go List.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/13/the-fcc-releases-the-go-nogo-analog-shutoff-list/

The list can be found here. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-221A5.pdf

I see Engadget HD has since pulled the article. I also didn't notice that it's the same list I posted the other day as well..

There were new lists issued this evening. WSBT and WSJV made the "go" list because of the certifications they filed earlier today. WNDU has been removed from the "challenged" list put out two days ago.

Other than the LP stations, South Bend *WILL* be analog free next Tuesday.

WSJV is flipping at noon (moving digital to 28) according to FCC filings, or 9am according to their website.
"WSJV-TV 28 will be terminating its analog signal at 9:00am on February 17, 2009."
http://www.fox28.com/Global/story.asp?S=9789092

WNDU is flipping at 6:30pm (digital remains on 42) according to the announcement slates they show often.
http://www.wndu.com/digital/misc/39168012.html does not mention the time of day.

WSBT is also flipping at 6:30pm - sort of ... digital will remain on channel 30 for the evening before moving to 22.
"WSBT will officially make the switch to digital Tuesday night at 6:30. From 6:30 until midnight that night, you will still see a warning in our old analog spot about the switch."
http://www.wsbt.com/news/goodquestion/39438812.html

There were new lists issued this evening. WSBT and WSJV made the "go" list because of the certifications they filed earlier today. WNDU has been removed from the "challenged" list put out two days ago.

Other than the LP stations, South Bend *WILL* be analog free next Tuesday.

WSJV is flipping at noon (moving digital to 28).
WNDU is flipping at 6:30pm (digital remains on 42).
WSBT ??? - it was to be at midnight before people played with the dates. :)
"WSBT will officially make the switch to digital Tuesday night at 6:30. From 6:30 until midnight that night, you will still see a warning in our old analog spot about the switch."
http://www.wsbt.com/news/goodquestion/39438812.html


That's not entirely true.. There's still that little TBN repeater on channel 18 in in Elkhart. I still hadn't heard any word if they are making the switch. LOL

That's not entirely true.. There's still that little TBN repeater on channel 18 in in Elkhart. I still hadn't heard any word if they are making the switch. LOLThey are not a TV station, they are a low power translator. (I did say "other than the LP stations" ...)

W18CF (TBN 18 Elkhart) has authority to flash cut to digital that expires on 3/18/09. Either they will do the flash cut or try to get an extension. I expect that they will do the flash cut since all five full power stations will be digital only next week. When they will cut over is not something I know.

Yes, there will be TBN only people that will need to convert, and keeping an analog signal on for those people would be a good thing ... but the station needs to go digital at some point. When it does go digital it will go multicast and carry five religious feeds. That is the trade off.

When it does go digital it will go multicast and carry five religious feeds. That is the trade off.

Don't be so sure. The last two TBN stations to join club digital aren't doing the multicast. WSFJ-DT in Columbus, which they bought a few months back, still has only a single SD feed. W51CW-D, which they flash-cut with the rest of the Wilmington NC stations in September, doesn't have the multicast or PSIP, it shows as 51-3 on most receivers.

- Trip

Don't be so sure. The last two TBN stations to join club digital aren't doing the multicast. WSFJ-DT in Columbus, which they bought a few months back, still has only a single SD feed. W51CW-D, which they flash-cut with the rest of the Wilmington NC stations in September, doesn't have the multicast or PSIP, it shows as 51-3 on most receivers.Well that sucks ... I was looking forward to the additional feeds.

I get TBN national via satellite so I don't bother with OTA SD.

Well that sucks ... I was looking forward to the additional feeds.

I get TBN national via satellite so I don't bother with OTA SD.

I assume they'll be adding it at some point in the future, but just nothing from them yet.

- Trip

They are not a TV station, they are a low power translator. (I did say "other than the LP stations" ...)

W18CF (TBN 18 Elkhart) has authority to flash cut to digital that expires on 3/18/09. Either they will do the flash cut or try to get an extension. I expect that they will do the flash cut since all five full power stations will be digital only next week. When they will cut over is not something I know.

Yes, there will be TBN only people that will need to convert, and keeping an analog signal on for those people would be a good thing ... but the station needs to go digital at some point. When it does go digital it will go multicast and carry five religious feeds. That is the trade off.

For the most part I was just being sarcastic, so please don't take me too seriously. However according to the Wikipedia article for W18CF it says when it does go digital it will carry all 5 channel feeds. Unfortunately theres no mention of when this will happen.

I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm all that huge into TBN, but I occasionally like to watch the biblical movies they show from time to time. With that said I'm kind of looking forward to the upgrade to digital for that station.

I didn't have any trouble on my Media Center, but my DTV Pal DVR didn't even bother recording despite I had it set to record.. Not sure what happened there. Otherwise it recorded fine for me.

Okay then it definitely wasn't on their end. If it happens again I might need to reformat or something, not sure.

I noticed ever since I caught 22 doing it's transition test that 22's & 22.2's EPG data hadn't come back. Did someone forget to flip a switch? LOL

I noticed ever since I caught 22 doing it's transition test that 22's & 22.2's EPG data hadn't come back. Did someone forget to flip a switch? LOLI've got guide data on my TR-40.

Regarding the FCC's published lists, I would think that as long as Channel 16 continued in "Enhanced Nite Lite" mode, WSBT and WSJV should be able to use that as their evidence that the "old world" was being informed on how to transition to DTV. Maybe the folks at WSBT and WSJV will help WNDU foot the $??,??? electric bill for the next 60 days?

I've got guide data on my TR-40.

Regarding the FCC's published lists, I would think that as long as Channel 16 continued in "Enhanced Nite Lite" mode, WSBT and WSJV should be able to use that as their evidence that the "old world" was being informed on how to transition to DTV. Maybe the folks at WSBT and WSJV will help WNDU foot the $??,??? electric bill for the next 60 days?

I think they only have to run nite light service up to two weeks. I can't remember where I read that though, so don't take that as fact until someone in the know can confirm this.

Maybe I'll have to rescan again. I didn't check my tv's epg to see if WSBT's guide data was there. I do see that WSBT's guide data on my DTV Pal DVR shows WSBT's channels as 70-1 - 3

The FCC is requiring "enhanced nightlight service" lasting 60 days on markets going on Tuesday.

- Trip

Maybe I'll have to rescan again. I didn't check my tv's epg to see if WSBT's guide data was there. I do see that WSBT's guide data on my DTV Pal DVR shows WSBT's channels as 70-1 - 3

I just checked my TV and the guide data is there and showing 22.1 etc. etc. Seems that my DTV Pal might be a little confused. :eek:

I think they only have to run nite light service up to two weeks. I can't remember where I read that though, so don't take that as fact until someone in the know can confirm this.With the original nightlight service which allowed stations to broadcast for 30 days after transition carrying only transition and emergency information stations were asked to commit to at least two weeks. The new "enhanced nightlight" also requires news/public information programming in addition to transition and emergency information and is expected to run 60 days.

The FCC is requiring "enhanced nightlight service" lasting 60 days on markets going on Tuesday.How that requirement will be met in South Bend is a question.

WNDU did not certify that they were going to provide nightlight service of either kind. WSBT and WSJV have certified they will meet the Feb 11th requirements but both plan on moving (and have STA approvals to move) their digital signals to their analog channel. I do not know how WSBT and WSJV plan on fulfilling their commitment to a 60 day nightlight.

I got my DVR EPG data worked out.. I just had to restore the darn thing to factory settings. Yeah I know that's an extreme, but I tried everything else.. I rescanned the DVR, rescanned my TV just to make sure it wasn't my DVR but it was. So I elected to reset to factory defaults.. Now 22 isn't appearing at 70-1 - 3 anymore and the EPG data is now working with that channel. If this is any indication of what's to come, I have a bad feeling I'll be resetting to factory setting a lot in the coming months.. Ouch! Well on the bright side, I didn't lose any of my recordings, I just have to reset all of my timers.

Did anybody else's fox28 signal mess up during terminator tonight?

I'm not sure if it was a problem with fox28's signal o my DVR. It also happened with American idol a few episodes ago.

The reason I'm responding to this message again is not because of Terminator.. Actually I'm watching the recording for this past weeks American Idol which seemed to have a lot of signal problems. I kept seeing artifacts, lots of skips. It does seem that Fox 28 may have some problems after all.

The reason I'm responding to this message again is not because of Terminator.. Actually I'm watching the recording for this past weeks American Idol which seemed to have a lot of signal problems. I kept seeing artifacts, lots of skips. It does seem that Fox 28 may have some problems after all.

I haven't watched this wednesday's episode yet if that's what you are referring to. I was referencing an episode from at least a week ago.

Tonight, ADIOS ANALOG!... (in South Bend)
http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/39637377.html
WNDU, WSBT, and WSJV are shutting down the "legacy" mode.Guess there will not be a DTV Tuesday this week. :D

Guess there will not be a DTV Tuesday this week. :D

I just love how WNDU says that the switch is happening tonight at 11:59PM. Just because it's 1 minute before midnight, it's still Monday night. ROFL! I guess that's there way of keeping it less confusing so they are politically correct all the way around. :)

Guess there will not be a DTV Tuesday this week. :D

Excellent news, I can't wait!

I wonder how smooth will this be for Comcast. To the west of South Bend Comcast only carries SD versions of the main 5 channels WNDU, WSBT, WSJV, WNIT, WHME (and all the Chicago channels in HD but not South Bend). I'm not sure where they are coming from but WSBT as well as some other channels audio has been very overmodulated on Comcast for 4 days now!

If Comcast is smart they will have already switched over to the digital channel 42 feed (which is what DISH and DirecTV have been using since October).

The WSJV and WSBT changeovers are more challenging as the digital station will be changing frequencies ... WSJV from 58 to 28 and WSBT from 30 to 22. The last times I saw for WSJV and WSBT were 9:00am and 6:30pm respectively (with WSBT running nightlight programming until midnight). Digital 30 should become digital 22 at midnight Tuesday night.

Hmmm ... trying to watch the last few minutes of analog on TV 16 and it is the worst signal I've seen in a while. I had a recordable OTA signal for the 6:00pm news. Oh well, in 11 minutes it will be moot (and mute).

Hmmm ... trying to watch the last few minutes of analog on TV 16 and it is the worst signal I've seen in a while. I had a recordable OTA signal for the 6:00pm news. Oh well, in 11 minutes it will be moot (and mute).

I'm also doing the same, but the analog signal appears fine for me right now. I have the digital feed running on my Media Center PC as I'm watching WNDU in analog on my HD set.

I see 16 just went into nite light service. :) Well back onto the HD feed. I'm looking forward to watching Lily Allen on Leno in full HD glory. :)

It looks like the 16 nightlight is a NAB video ... glad you have a better signal than I.

It looks like the 16 nightlight is a NAB video ... glad you have a better signal than I.

I have 96% signal on WNDU right now. Looks fantastic!

Will the transition increase the quality of any of the HD stations?

Removing all of the analogs from the air will reduce interference with the digital signals.

I look forward to seeing what WSJV will look like on 28 instead of 58 digital and WSBT on 22 instead of 30 digital. There are power changes involved as well. It is hard to predict how much better the reception will be but I expect we will see some improvement.

We might see improvement on 25.1 and 69.1 as well as their neighbors (28 and 22 respectively) go from high power NTSC to ATSC signals in the next 24 hours.

I haven't been getting 5.1 on OTA 22.1 lately. Specifically NCIS. Did I miss something or are they having problems?

28 just went from a marginal signal digital to a solid signal so there was some improvement when they switched!

Will the transition increase the quality of any of the HD stations?

Not so much quality as RF reception may improve for some.

Any TVGOS updates from SBT since the changeover?

Any TVGOS updates from SBT since the changeover?

22 didn't change over yet, they change over tonight around 6pm. So far I hadn't seen TVGOS kick in. I suspect if 22 is ready to deliver TVGos, it wouldn't happen until after midnight when they physically move to 22.

What I was wondering is because 16 has macroblocking issues sometimes, I'm guessing from having a low bitrate. Will the bitrate be upgraded at all or just possible signal strength?

28 just went from a marginal signal digital to a solid signal so there was some improvement when they switched!FYI: Channel 28 will remain digital on 58 until June. A four month nightlight! There will be no change to the digital until then.

Channel 22 will be moving their digital to 22 at midnight. Per WSBT there will be about a five minute outage while they make the changeover at midnight. Their 5 1/2 hour nightlight begins at 6:30pm.

Buh bye 22 analog ...

Buh bye 22 analog ...I don't know, I still see TV22 analog just fine. :)

I'm waiting until tonight to watch the plug get pulled for good.

I don't know, I still see TV22 analog just fine. :)

I'm waiting until tonight to watch the plug get pulled for good.22 is playing the videos seen on 16 and 28 ... in postage stamp! Their own video is in letterbox.

22 digital is up ... full strength!

(88 signal level on 30, 98 signal level on 22)

DISH OTA users ...
Go to Menu-6-9 "Add Locals" and select channel 22.
(Do not delete the old 22s - the new 22 will replace the old.)

22 digital is up ... full strength!

(88 signal level on 30, 98 signal level on 22)

DISH OTA users ...
Go to Menu-6-9 "Add Locals" and select channel 22.
(Do not delete the old 22s - the new 22 will replace the old.)Yeah, I'm seeing 98-99 on ATSC 22 now! However, when I added "22", for some reason 22-03 (WSBT-WX) still had the old frequency. I had to delete 22-03 and then re-add it to get all the WSBT channels to "stick".

And someone at Dish needs to kick their DTV receiver. I still have a magenta screen on 7091...

Yeah, I'm seeing 98-99 on ATSC 22 now! However, when I added "22", for some reason 22-03 (WSBT-WX) still had the old frequency. I had to delete 22-03 and then re-add it to get all the WSBT channels to "stick".I got all three without a delete. I suggested NOT deleting the channels because on the first receiver I did that on I lost EPG (although the mapping has now returned).

And someone at Dish needs to kick their DTV receiver. I still have a magenta screen on 7091...Someone must have noticed. It was there when I checked it about 5-10 minutes ago.

I was hoping that having digital 22 on instead of analog 22 was going to help reception of digital 23 (69.1) but there was no change on my receiver. Such a change would have hope for the future (June) when digital 28 replaces analog 28 and 27 (25.1) doesn't have a high power analog neighbor.

I was stunned when I got home and upon rescanning found 22.1 + subs broadcasting at 100% signal strength! The only weak stations I get now are the low power ones at an average 79% with the exception of 25.1 bouncing all over the place as of late.

Any TVGOS updates from SBT since the changeover?

So far no TVGos. I was hoping WSBT would start broadcasting TVGos after the switch, but so far it's not happening. I have written WSBT a few weeks ago with out any response.. That is extremely discouraging. I wish they would let us know one way or another if they plan on bringing it to our area.

Just got my tuner rescanned...after quite a battle, I'm finally getting the new assignments. I now get WNDU, WNIT, WSBT and WHME...but no WSJV (yet.)

Just got my tuner rescanned...after quite a battle, I'm finally getting the new assignments. I now get WNDU, WNIT, WSBT and WHME...but no WSJV (yet.)What community are you in? Have you tried to manually add "58" to your tuner?

What I was wondering is because 16 has macroblocking issues sometimes, I'm guessing from having a low bitrate. Will the bitrate be upgraded at all...?Don't see any reason why it would be.

What community are you in? Have you tried to manually add "58" to your tuner?
Plymouth. And yes, I did punch in 58 manually and it's a weak signal. Moving the antenna around the room seemed to grab it stronger, but haven't gotten anything 100% yet. Need to play around some more. :)

I have been unable to receive WSBT digital on my D* H20 and HR20 since they switched frequencies. Is it just me?

hvs10trk:
I sent you a private message thinking that your experience with TMS and D* in Nov. ’07 might be valuable in resolving this problem.

I have been unable to receive WSBT digital on my D* H20 and HR20 since they switched frequencies. Is it just me?

hvs10trk:
I sent you a private message thinking that your experience with TMS and D* in Nov. ’07 might be valuable in resolving this problem.

It's not just you. I emailed the chief engineer at WSBT (hale@wsbt.com) to ask him to contact TMS. I suggest anyone sharing this problem do likewise to nudge him to correct it.

It's not just you. I emailed the chief engineer at WSBT (hale@wsbt.com) to ask him to contact TMS. I suggest anyone sharing this problem do likewise to nudge him to correct it.

I spoke to and emailed the operations/program manager at WSBT earlier today. I just forwarded that email to Hale.

Plymouth. And yes, I did punch in 58 manually and it's a weak signal. Moving the antenna around the room seemed to grab it stronger, but haven't gotten anything 100% yet. Need to play around some more. :)"Around the room" from Plymouth ... perhaps you will need to get an outdoor antenna unless you find a sweet spot.

I have been unable to receive WSBT digital on my D* H20 and HR20 since they switched frequencies. Is it just me?

hvs10trk:
I sent you a private message thinking that your experience with TMS and D* in Nov. ’07 might be valuable in resolving this problem.Using a DirecTV receiver your tuner is controlled via the network. Apparently D* has not told your receiver to look for 22 instead of 30. If DirecTV relies on TMS strictly for that data then they will have to fix it.

Is the LIL feed of 22 correct on DirecTV? Did they change their local DTV tuner over on time? I know it took about an hour for DISH (although our OTA tuners are self controlled so I was watching 22-1 HD via digital 22 at 12:02am this morning).

Using a DirecTV receiver your tuner is controlled via the network. Apparently D* has not told your receiver to look for 22 instead of 30. If DirecTV relies on TMS strictly for that data then they will have to fix it.

Is the LIL feed of 22 correct on DirecTV? Did they change their local DTV tuner over on time? I know it took about an hour for DISH (although our OTA tuners are self controlled so I was watching 22-1 HD via digital 22 at 12:02am this morning).

I suspect that TMS either wasn't aware of the frequency change or made an error, as they did with their PSIP file for 57.1 in Nov. '07. See page 55 of this thread. DirecTV and Shurz are in negotiations over delivery of WSBT digital via satellite, so DirecTV's local receiver isn't an issue. Those of us who can get WSBT digital on DirecTV equipment do so via off-air tuners in the equipment.

"Around the room" from Plymouth ... perhaps you will need to get an outdoor antenna unless you find a sweet spot.
Most likely a sweet spot (there's a couple...haven't found it). And it's not on my top priority right now...the fact that I can get CBS and NBC is good enough.

DirecTV and Shurz are in negotiations over delivery of WSBT digital via satellite, so DirecTV's local receiver isn't an issue. Those of us who can get WSBT digital on DirecTV equipment do so via off-air tuners in the equipment.DirecTV and DISH both carry WSBT's digital feed ... downconverted to SD and centercut but they carry 22.1. DISH also carries 22.2 as channel 30 (an agreement left over from when 22.2 was UPN Michiana instead of SBT2).

Both DirecTV and DISH needed to adjust their DTV tuners after the frequency change, separate from any OTA information used by customers.

Since WSBT no longer has an analog feed if you're seeing anything via DISH/DirecTV it is from digital 22. :)

Can someone list the Michiana area digital channels now available with the correct channel numbers after the switch? thanks..

Mike

Can someone list the Michiana area digital channels now available with the correct channel numbers after the switch? thanks..

Mike

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=110

Note the "Digital Channel" column.

- Trip

DirecTV and DISH both carry WSBT's digital feed ... downconverted to SD and centercut but they carry 22.1. DISH also carries 22.2 as channel 30 (an agreement left over from when 22.2 was UPN Michiana instead of SBT2).

Both DirecTV and DISH needed to adjust their DTV tuners after the frequency change, separate from any OTA information used by customers.

Since WSBT no longer has an analog feed if you're seeing anything via DISH/DirecTV it is from digital 22. :)

Does that affect the ability to receive WSBT's digital subchannels via OTA tuners in DirecTV customers' equipment?

Great, I can't get WSBT HD on any of my DVRs now. It doesn't matter if it's a DirectvDVR, a DirectvTivo, or a standalone TiVo model, they get nothing. The guide data comes from DTV and/or Tribune Media Services and it's still telling all DVRs to scan for WSBT on digital 30.

I watch off-air stations through my HR20 and found that 22.1 is no longer working. I understand that WSBT has moved it to 22. Is this correct? Well, obviously, DirecTV has not added that off-air channel to the lineup and now we are unable to view CBS HD. I called support to try and explain the issue and he had no clue what I was talking about.

If I am misunderstanding something, please correct me. I can take it.

Mike

It's best to let WSBT handle it. Email your frustrations to hale@wsbt.com. Read the previous page for more information on what is going on.

Great, I can't get WSBT HD on any of my DVRs now. It doesn't matter if it's a DirectvDVR, a DirectvTivo, or a standalone TiVo model, they get nothing. The guide data comes from DTV and/or Tribune Media Services and it's still telling all DVRs to scan for WSBT on digital 30.

Send an email to hale@wsbt.com. See the previous page for more on this problem.

Send an email to hale@wsbt.com. See the previous page for more on this problem.

This isn't something Eugene can fix...

This isn't something Eugene can fix...

Maybe not, but we're trying to motivate someone at WSBT to get on TMS and DirecTV to fix it.

Does that affect the ability to receive WSBT's digital subchannels via OTA tuners in DirecTV customers' equipment?No ... your OTA tuner is messed up because of the TMS data mentioned in the other posts.
Are you receiving your SD via satellite 22? If so at least DirecTV has changed THEIR tuner.

No ... your OTA tuner is messed up because of the TMS data mentioned in the other posts. Are you receiving your SD via satellite 22?

I thought that was what I said. :D Yes, the SD is fine, we (many of us, maybe all of us with DirecTV equipment) aren't receiving the WSBT digital subs anymore.

I thought that was what I said. :D Yes, the SD is fine, we (many of us, maybe all of us with DirecTV equipment) aren't receiving the WSBT digital subs anymore.My post was in response to your claim that "Those of us who can get WSBT digital on DirecTV equipment do so via off-air tuners in the equipment." It was intended to point out that you are also receiving WSBT digital via satellite, although down converted to SD. Even in SD it is still the digital feed (and has been for a few months).

Schurtz/WSBT is in negotiation to carry their signal in HD ... they are already carried in digital.

We experienced this TMS/DirecTV no guide data = no reception problem in November '07 (page 55 and before in this thread) when Weigel put 25.1, 57.1 and 69.1 on the air. Weigel had to get it straightened out. WSBT will most likely have the best chance of getting this problem fixed.

My post was in response to your claim that "Those of us who can get WSBT digital on DirecTV equipment do so via off-air tuners in the equipment." It was intended to point out that you are also receiving WSBT digital via satellite, although down converted to SD. Even in SD it is still the digital feed (and has been for a few months).

Schurtz/WSBT is in negotiation to carry their signal in HD ... they are already carried in digital.

Yes, every channel that comes from a DirectTV satellite is digital.

We experienced this TMS/DirecTV no guide data = no reception problem in November '07 (page 55 and before in this thread) when Weigel put 25.1, 57.1 and 69.1 on the air. Weigel had to get it straightened out. WSBT will most likely have the best chance of getting this problem fixed.Weigel also had the problem of not assigning a TSID to their stations, which prevented them from being mapped to an EPG listing. It took a week or two to get TSIDs assigned and in the data ... which when added made getting an EPG match possible.

Weigel also had the problem of not assigning a TSID to their stations, which prevented them from being mapped to an EPG listing. It took a week or two to get TSIDs assigned and in the data ... which when added made getting an EPG match possible.

Yeah, I remember that now that you mention it. I sent a private message to hvs10trk earlier, asking that Weigel pass on what they learned, including contact info for TMS and DirecTV to WSBT.

I asked a contact at TiVo to manually enter a ticket and I've already rec'd an email from TMS asking for more info so hopefully it won't be long...

I asked a contact at TiVo to manually enter a ticket and I've already rec'd an email from TMS asking for more info so hopefully it won't be long...

Thanks.

That was fast. My HR20 is aimed at digital 22 now. I can't scan on my TiVos yet as they're recording other programs.

My brother tells me he is receiving every single station BUT WSBT. He has rescanned quite a few times. I noticed that my signal wasn't coming in that great either, anybody else experiencing difficulties? OTA of course.

I have been unable to receive WSBT digital on my D* H20 and HR20 since they switched frequencies. Is it just me?

hvs10trk:
I sent you a private message thinking that your experience with TMS and D* in Nov. ’07 might be valuable in resolving this problem.


I don't know if this is related, but when I scanned my channels last night 22 came up as 70.1, 70.2 70.3 again. The channels still worked, but were labeled wrong. I wonder if your equipment might be seeing the same thing as my DVR except it's freaking out.. I had to actually run factory settings in order for it to come up as 22 again.

I don't know if this is related, but when I scanned my channels last night 22 came up as 70.1, 70.2 70.3 again. The channels still worked, but were labeled wrong. I wonder if your equipment might be seeing the same thing as my DVR except it's freaking out.. I had to actually run factory settings in order for it to come up as 22 again.This happened on my TR-40 when I tried to scan Digital 22 around 12:03am. I reset the TR-40 to Factory and went through the step-by-step set up and all was happy (except I had to delete 16-02... Grrr™).

I noticed a weirdness with the Time on my Zenith 901. According to it, WNDU, WSBT, and WSJV appear to have the DST flag set in the PSIP data. The clock on the DTT-901 when tuned to these stations shows an hour fast. If I manually disable the DST on the Zenith box, it will show the right time. However, watching these stations with my Dish TR-40 shows the right time, and manually changing DST (Menu-3-2-1-3) on and off makes no difference. Interesting that the Zenith and the Dish boxes are different that way. I wonder what's going on there?

That was fast. My HR20 is aimed at digital 22 now. I can't scan on my TiVos yet as they're recording other programs.

Are you saying that you are getting 22.1 on your HR20 now because I am not?

That was fast. My HR20 is aimed at digital 22 now. I can't scan on my TiVos yet as they're recording other programs.

I don't know if this is related, but when I scanned my channels last night 22 came up as 70.1, 70.2 70.3 again. The channels still worked, but were labeled wrong. I wonder if your equipment might be seeing the same thing as my DVR except it's freaking out.. I had to actually run factory settings in order for it to come up as 22 again.

Are you saying that you are getting 22.1 on your HR20 now because I am not?

I don't know what the problem is, but it seems like things aren't quite right yet. I did "Reset Off-Air Settings," which I believe required me to next do "Initial Setup" in my HR20 DVR's "Antenna Setup" menu this morning. I was getting 22.1 fine but still no 22.2 or 22.3. I haven't had much time to play with the H20 receiver, but it didn't look like it was recognizing 22.1, 22.2 or 22.3. The odd thing was that 22.1, 22.2 and 22.3 all appeared twice in the H20's "Edit Off-Air Channels" list. This might mean that the H20 is still seeing guide data for 22.1, 22.2 and 22.3 on channel 30, but is also picking them up from a channel scan on channel 22, resulting in a conflict.

Are you saying that you are getting 22.1 on your HR20 now because I am not?


Yes, the HR20 gets 22.1 + guide data. The TiVo HD & the HD DirecTiVo can tune to 22.1 now, but no guide data yet as of last night.

The odd thing was that 22.1, 22.2 and 22.3 all appeared twice in the H20's "Edit Off-Air Channels" list.
Yes, the old one's from digital 30 and the new ones from digital 22. Uncheck the old ones and your guide will be correct.

I don't know what the problem is, but it seems like things aren't quite right yet. I did "Reset Off-Air Settings," which I believe required me to next do "Initial Setup" in my HR20 DVR's "Antenna Setup" menu this morning. I was getting 22.1 fine but still no 22.2 or 22.3. I haven't had much time to play with the H20 receiver, but it didn't look like it was recognizing 22.1, 22.2 or 22.3. The odd thing was that 22.1, 22.2 and 22.3 all appeared twice in the H20's "Edit Off-Air Channels" list. This might mean that the H20 is still seeing guide data for 22.1, 22.2 and 22.3 on channel 30, but is also picking them up from a channel scan on channel 22, resulting in a conflict.

I have the same result on my hr20. Apparently TMS has not switched the data for 22.2 and 22.3 yet. To whomever got to them about 22.1, it would be greatly appreciated if you could get to them about 22.2 and 22.3.

Yes, the old one's from digital 30 and the new ones from digital 22. Uncheck the old ones and your guide will be correct.

I tried that earlier without any success. I just tried again. One set apears in the guide, the other doesn't. Selecting the second set, the three subchannels appear in the guide. Selecting 22.1 or 22.3 from the guide results in a "searching for signal" message. 22.2 is coming in, however. So I'm getting only 22.1 on my HR20 and only 22.2 on my H20.

Update to my previous post:
I reset the H20 and 22.2 disappeared from the guide. I looked at the "Edit Off-Air Channels" list and found that the reset checked the first 22.2 and unchecked the second. I unchecked the first and checked the second as before the reset. 22.2 returned to the guide, but now I'm getting the "searching for signal" message for 22.2.

Yes, the HR20 gets 22.1 + guide data. The TiVo HD & the HD DirecTiVo can tune to 22.1 now, but no guide data yet as of last night.For clarity ... are you getting 22.2 and 22.3?

Sorry, no idea. I'm at the office right now. I deleted 22.2/.3 from my guide years ago. If I remember right, they were just some obscure network full of standard def reruns & a radar image. I'll check tonight.

I just got on my DTV Pal DVR and found the guide listings for 22 + subs to be missing. I restored back to factory settings yet again and the DVR is scanning all channels now.
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Upon doing a rescan, 22+ subs still work, but the guide data is still missing.

I have a DirecTV HR 20 and am still unable to receive 22-2 and 22-3. It seems like DirecTV would have received update info for all of the WSBT channels since they have 22-1 going. I just reset the OTA on my DVR and still no success.

Sorry, no idea. I'm at the office right now. I deleted 22.2/.3 from my guide years ago. If I remember right, they were just some obscure network full of standard def reruns & a radar image. I'll check tonight.

.2 & .3 come in fine on the TiVo, but the HR20 says searching for signal.

.2 & .3 come in fine on the TiVo, but the HR20 says searching for signal.

TMS is not known for their timely PSIP adding for Direct TV. Brings back memories of our 3 LD's when they signed on.

I see the guide listings have returned for 22. Now if we could just get them to provide TV Guide On Screen. :)

25.1's signal seemed to have improved for me. I know I should knock on wood. There's no telling how long that will last. It seems like after it snows, the reception improves. Strange huh?

WSBT has been working with TMS and DirecTV. DirecTV received the guide data changes from TMS last night. 22.1, 22.2 and 22.3 are now being received by my HR20. No reset or rescan was required on the HR20. My H20 has not yet received the changes.

I see the guide listings have returned for 22. Now if we could just get them to provide TV Guide On Screen. :)

25.1's signal seemed to have improved for me. I know I should knock on wood. There's no telling how long that will last. It seems like after it snows, the reception improves. Strange huh?

Who woulda thought snow and TV would be a good sign. :D

Who woulda thought snow and TV would be a good sign. :D

Do you mean I got to pray for snow until WSJV finally moves their digital signal to channel 28? ROFL!

Dish TV PAL problem
Anybody know how to get the three digital WSBT stations to scan to the right channel numbers on the screen? They say 70.01, 70.02, and 70.3 How do I get them to say the right channel numbers?

Dish TV PAL problem
Anybody know how to get the three digital WSBT stations to scan to the right channel numbers on the screen? They say 70.01, 70.02, and 70.3 How do I get them to say the right channel numbers?

Rest to factory settings. :) I had to do the same with my DTV Pal DVR. That worked both times it happened to me.

Rest to factory settings. :) I had to do the same with my DTV Pal DVR. That worked both times it happened to me.
THANKS! That worked! :D
Jim

Do you mean I got to pray for snow until WSJV finally moves their digital signal to channel 28? ROFL!FYI: That will be June 12th, 2009 unless WSJV changes their mind. :(

The move of WSBT 22 to digital 22 replacing analog 22 did not help my reception of digital 23 (WMYS 69.1).
Why would the move of WSJV 28 to digital 28 replacing analog 28 help reception of digital 27 (WCWW 25.1)?

Why would the move of WSJV 28 to digital 28 replacing analog 28 help reception of digital 27 (WCWW 25.1)?


The digital filters are better than the analog filters. Also the power will drop.

FYI: That will be June 12th, 2009 unless WSJV changes their mind. :(

The move of WSBT 22 to digital 22 replacing analog 22 did not help my reception of digital 23 (WMYS 69.1).
Why would the move of WSJV 28 to digital 28 replacing analog 28 help reception of digital 27 (WCWW 25.1)?

Analog signals (especially those on a Klystron tube) have all sorts of fingers of RF that stem out from their signal. Co-channels are especially affected by these. A digital signal has a sharper drop off at the ends of the 6mhz.

Yet 22's move didn't help 23. That is the crux of the question.

I would think it would be better to move their signal's where there are no adjacent channels, and then drop the analog entirely. Wouldn't this be the best option?

Yet 22's move didn't help 23. That is the crux of the question.

Should have.

I just thought I'd post a quick comparison of the signal strength I'm getting before and after the transition.

These are the numbers I posted on 1-21-09.

16.1 WNDU 96
22.1 WSBT 88
25.1 WCWW 85
28.1 WSJV 96
34.1 WNIT 93
46.1 WHME 90
57.1 WBND 90
69.1 WYMS 76

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These are the numbers today.


16.1 WNDU 98
22.1 WSBT 100
25.1 WCWW 74-85 (quit bouncing around so much after the recent snow.)
28.1 WSJV 95-98
34.1 WNIT 93-95
46.1 WHME 93
57.1 WBND 83-86
69.1 WYMS 80

I think the real numbers to look at will be after 16 & 28 drop their nite light service. Otherwise WSBT 22 is the only one I see that has a drastic change in signal strength.

So you didn't see a great improvement on WMYS 69.1 either?

Hopefully 28's change will help 25.1 in the long run. Unless 16 is blanketing or causing intermod I don't see how they are causing problems with anything in market.

So you didn't see a great improvement on WMYS 69.1 either?

Hopefully 28's change will help 25.1 in the long run. Unless 16 is blanketing or causing intermod I don't see how they are causing problems with anything in market.

Not really in visual or strength, but 57.1 and 69.1 has been consistent for me all along. If 25.1 would just stabilize for me and quit bouncing around so drastically that it becomes unwatchable, then I'll be happy.

I truly am a "lurker" and this is my first post but I really appreciate all the sharing and feedback that have gone on here in recent months.

I have not been able to pick up 69.1 today. 69 analog is coming through as usual. I can pick up 25.1, 57.1, and all of the higher powered digital signals from South Bend as well as all local analog.

I'm in Berrien Springs, MI at my office. We have a 4 bay bowtie on the the roof (about 25' above ground) pointed at the tower hill area of South Bend and have had no problems picking up the digital signals since we put this antenna in last fall. Even after the "jumping around" that happened with some of the stations last week, 69.1 seemed to be coming in fine as I recall.

We've got other tuners we can dig up and try around here but before we do that, I wanted to see if 69.1 is really offline.

Any problem confirmations/suggestions would be appreciated.

I truly am a "lurker" and this is my first post but I really appreciate all the sharing and feedback that have gone on here in recent months.

I have not been able to pick up 69.1 today. 69 analog is coming through as usual. I can pick up 25.1, 57.1, and all of the higher powered digital signals from South Bend as well as all local analog.

I'm in Berrien Springs, MI at my office. We have a 4 bay bowtie on the the roof (about 25' above ground) pointed at the tower hill area of South Bend and have had no problems picking up the digital signals since we put this antenna in last fall. Even after the "jumping around" that happened with some of the stations last week, 69.1 seemed to be coming in fine as I recall.

We've got other tuners we can dig up and try around here but before we do that, I wanted to see if 69.1 is really offline.

Any problem confirmations/suggestions would be appreciated.

I'm in the Elkhart area and just checked 69.1 and it's coming in fine at 85% signal strength. I'd try rescanning and if that don't work, try resetting to factory settings.

I'm in the Elkhart area and just checked 69.1 and it's coming in fine at 85% signal strength. I'd try rescanning and if that don't work, try resetting to factory settings.
I rescanned a couple of times this morning with no luck. I just rescanned and got a "scrambled audio" message for 69.1. Perhaps I haven't tried 69.1 on this TV (a ViewSonic) since 22 moved their digital last week but I thought I had. Now that 22 is "really" 22 and is right next to 69.1 on 23, maybe this TV can't hack a strong signal adjacent to a weaker one. I'll have to experiment with some other tuners and/or try an amplifier on this particular setup. I've got a couple of different models of CECB's (a Digital Stream and an Insignia) around and as well as a couple of different Samsung set top tuners to try this kind of thing at but they're in another building on campus (I work at Andrews University). Since I manage many of the antennas on campus, I thought I'd verify 69.1's status before putting a lot of work into "fixing" this.

It's nice that we have some extra over the air content around here now but it would be really nice if the management and news staff at the broadcasters would cough up a little web space so the engineers could put out some status info as in "28 moving to 28 on this date and time" so we wouldn't have to go sifting through rabbitears, tvfool, the FCC, and other web sites to find this stuff. With the exception of channel 22's info, most of the local broadcasters have communicated very poorly online as far as I'm concerned. And some of their "news" stories on the topic have been filled with errors.

Of course, that's also why I like reading avsforum so that I can pick some of this up from other local viewers and engineers who are concerned about what's happening in our broadcast market.

Thanks for your status report.

I truly am a "lurker" and this is my first post but I really appreciate all the sharing and feedback that have gone on here in recent months.

I have not been able to pick up 69.1 today. 69 analog is coming through as usual. I can pick up 25.1, 57.1, and all of the higher powered digital signals from South Bend as well as all local analog.

I'm in Berrien Springs, MI at my office. We have a 4 bay bowtie on the the roof (about 25' above ground) pointed at the tower hill area of South Bend and have had no problems picking up the digital signals since we put this antenna in last fall. Even after the "jumping around" that happened with some of the stations last week, 69.1 seemed to be coming in fine as I recall.

We've got other tuners we can dig up and try around here but before we do that, I wanted to see if 69.1 is really offline.

Any problem confirmations/suggestions would be appreciated.

We're having minor problems with the transmitter which may cause the power to dip down. Should be fixed soon.

I have a DirecTV HR 20 and am still unable to receive 22-2 and 22-3. It seems like DirecTV would have received update info for all of the WSBT channels since they have 22-1 going. I just reset the OTA on my DVR and still no success.

Stupid me! I was receiving 22-2 and 22-3 until I rebooted my HR20 today and now it is "searching....". Why oh why can't they get their acts together?

Just FYI-

If anyone is having trouble tuning in WSBT through Windows Media Center (Vista or XP), I ended up having to manually reconfigure my channel lineup in order to get everything working correctly.

You basically have to edit the c:\ProgramData\Microsoft\eHome\EPG\prefs\atscchannels.xml file to remove the WSBT entry, and then re-add it via the GUI with the new freq. settings(the programdata dir is hidden by default). It is actually easier to do than it sounds.

More detailed instructions can be found here: http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/post/251357.aspx

Stupid me! I was receiving 22-2 and 22-3 until I rebooted my HR20 today and now it is "searching....". Why oh why can't they get their acts together?

Okay, after re-running initial setup, I am back to receiving 22-2 and 22-3 just fine. Phew!

We're having minor problems with the transmitter which may cause the power to dip down. Should be fixed soon.

Thanks for the update. 69.1 is coming in fine this morning with "good" signal quality (3 bars out of a possible 4) as reported by the tuner in our office TV.

Just FYI-

If anyone is having trouble tuning in WSBT through Windows Media Center (Vista or XP), I ended up having to manually reconfigure my channel lineup in order to get everything working correctly.

You basically have to edit the c:\ProgramData\Microsoft\eHome\EPG\prefs\atscchannels.xml file to remove the WSBT entry, and then re-add it via the GUI with the new freq. settings(the programdata dir is hidden by default). It is actually easier to do than it sounds.

More detailed instructions can be found here: http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/post/251357.aspx

Although I hadn't tried it yet, thankyou for that tip! I was just going to wait it out for M$ or Zap2It to fix their guide data, but why wait when I can hack it now?

anyone hear back from SBT recently about TVGOS?

anyone hear back from SBT recently about TVGOS?

I haven't heard a thing which has me honked. I contacted them twice with no response. That's one thing I like about HVS10TRK, at least I can get a good clear answer from him. That's something I really appreciate about him, he rocks! As for WSBT, I just feel like they are ignoring me which makes me not so hopeful about the whole TVGos thing.

I haven't been getting 5.1 on OTA 22.1 lately. Specifically NCIS. Did I miss something or are they having problems?

If any one is interested, I just got a reply back from Mr. Hale

"WSBT’s 5.1 encoder did lockup and only the stereo signals were being broadcast."

So hopefully its back to 5.1 surround sound.

What stations in the South Bend area are still analog? Within say a 20 mile range.

What stations in the South Bend area are still analog? Within say a 20 mile range.
25, 57, and 69 are all broadcasting their regular programming in analog and digital and are announcing that they intend to do so as long as possible. Since they are not full power stations, they presumably could continue to do so past the current deadline of June 12 for full power broadcasters. Also, since 57 is a major network (ABC) affiliate, this probably is what allowed the other networks affiliates in the South Bend market to cease analog as the FCC wanted to make sure there was some ongoing form of analog local news available until June 12. 16 and 28 are broadcasting "nightlight" service in analog, which essentially means they are showing an "infomercial" about how to pick up digital signals. Nightlight also means they might provide other critical information in event of a local or national emergency. 22 stopped broadcasting in analog last week. 34 (failing transmitter components) and 46 (can't remember why) stopped analog months ago. Also we have a very low power analog station on Channel 12 broadcasting from here in Berrien Springs. It's within 20 miles of South Bend but you'll definitely need more than rabbit ears to pick it up from Niles on south.

i haven't heard a thing which has me honked. I contacted them twice with no response. That's one thing i like about hvs10trk, at least i can get a good clear answer from him. That's something i really appreciate about him, he rocks! As for wsbt, i just feel like they are ignoring me which makes me not so hopeful about the whole tvgos thing.

:)

Also, since 57 is a major network (ABC) affiliate, this probably is what allowed the other networks affiliates in the South Bend market to cease analog as the FCC wanted to make sure there was some ongoing form of analog local news available until June 12.57's existence did not help 22 and 28 shut down. They were able to shut down because they certified that the conditions of shutting down on February 17th would be met, including a full power station would remain on the air providing the extended nightlight. They did not name the full power station but with 22 off and 28 nightlighting until June I believe we have our answer.

WNDU 16 shut down February 16th because they asked to do so on January 16th and followed through with the shutdown as authorized by the third periodic review. They were one of 20 stations initially challenged by the FCC who had prior STA filings to shut down that actually followed through.

WHME 46 shut down January 16th after filing their 30 day notice in December. WHMB Indianapolis also shut down on that day. It was legal to do so and they filed the proper paperwork so off they go! :)

WSBT-DT off the air at 10:57pm EST.

(No, we already shut off Channel 22. We don't have to shut it off again!)

It's back!

It's back!I see that. I wonder if it was a funny once, or if they had some other issues.

They did not name the full power station but with 22 off and 28 nightlighting until June I believe we have our answer.

I have a burning question about this that's been kind of bugging me. What would be the purpose of doing the transition at all on the 17th (as they did) if they have to run a Nite Light until June? I thought I read somewhere the extended Nite Light stations were only required to run for six weeks where before they would have only had to run a Nite Light for only 2 weeks. Six weeks would put the Nite Light until the first week of April if this is really the case. To me this would make sense, but a Nite Light until June just seems wasteful to me. Everything I search out online in regards to Nite Light service is so skewed, it's really hard to figure out what's really going on.

I have a burning question about this that's been kind of bugging me. What would be the purpose of doing the transition at all on the 17th (as they did) if they have to run a Nite Light until June? I thought I read somewhere the extended Nite Light stations were only required to run for six weeks where before they would have only had to run a Nite Light for only 2 weeks. Six weeks would put the Nite Light until the first week of April if this is really the case. To me this would make sense, but a Nite Light until June just seems wasteful to me. Everything I search out online in regards to Nite Light service is so skewed, it's really hard to figure out what's really going on.It is a mess ... with the worst of it being the moving goalposts.

In 2007 stations were told they could shut of anytime in the last 90 days before Feb 17th if they needed to. No specific permission required. All they had to do was file notice with their reason. Some stations filed their notice in October and shut down on the first day of the 90 day period. Others picked their own date later in the 90 days.

On February 5th, 12 days before the deadline, stations were told that no longer applied - including stations that had filed an actual notice specifying Feb 16th or 17th as a shut down date (WNDU and WSJV included - WSBT did not file a 30 day shut down notice until Feb 2nd). All stations wishing to shut down on February 17th had to refile by February 9th. 491 stations filed.

On February 11th, 6 days before the deadline, the FCC announced that 368 of those stations would be allowed to transition but challenged the other 123 (including WNDU, WSJV and WSBT) to meet new rules to be able to shut down. The stations had a choice of certifying that they would meet the new rules or give in to the FCC and not shut down on the 17th. 43 stations gave in, 53 agreed to the new rules (including WSJV and WSBT) and 10 claimed special hardships (and all 10 were granted permission to shut down). 20 stations DID NOT CERTIFY with the FCC (including WNDU) and relied on their timely filed STA requests to shut down on schedule. WSJV chose to certify instead of rely on their STA request.

At that point in time the FCC had announced rules that the existing 2007 policy of allowing shut down within the last 90 days with 30 days notice WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE.

On February 20th that all changed again. Now the remaining stations will have until March 17th to decide the day and hour that they want to turn off analog service and no one is allowed to turn off analog service until April 16th. But one 60 day nightlight per market is still required (not to extend past July 12th). New rules after the fact!

Basically the stations that shut down on February 17th will still be able to turn off (save power) their analog transmitters earlier than anyone else. Last I heard WNDU was planning a two week nighlight (power savings start March 3rd) - WSBT, WHME and WNIT are already gone. Only WSJV plans to stay on until June 12th and that is subject to change.

For those stations that didn't stick to their guns they will have the power bills until at least June 12th. Perhaps a couple of weeks ago the thought of an actual shutdown on March 14th with no nightlight was possible, but the rules keep changing.

anyone hear back from SBT recently about TVGOS?

First I want to say thank you to Justalurker for his reply. Now I'm sure WSJV's station manager has to be banging their head on a daily basis crying out "why?"

Now as for WSBT and TVGos, I finally got an answer out of WSBT.. Well the word is it's delayed and they don't know when they'll ever be able to add it in. The problem is they aren't willing to give up any bandwidth because of how it's already divided up amongst their 3 digital channels. This doesn't sound like good news for TVGos at all so far..

I'm just speculating, but I have thought or two of what would likely have to happen for TVGos to be activated. I suspect when and if the sale of WCWW, WBND, and WMYS does go through that they'll either move one of their sub-channels to one of those channels to free up bandwidth, or they'll just install TVGos to one of those channels.

I've never seen TVGOS use more than 0.05 Mbps (granted, I haven't paid too much attention). Most stations have at least 5 times that amount in null packets.

- Trip

57's existence did not help 22 and 28 shut down. They were able to shut down because they certified that the conditions of shutting down on February 17th would be met, including a full power station would remain on the air providing the extended nightlight. They did not name the full power station but with 22 off and 28 nightlighting until June I believe we have our answer.

The following found at www.fcc.gov/dtv on pages 2-3 of FCC 09-7 released on Feb. 11.

In contrast to the stations remaining on the air and those that have previously terminated analog service or complied with the Third DTV Periodic Report and Order procedures to terminate analog service before February 17th, we have identified 123 stations of the 491 intending to terminate analog service on February 17th whose early termination poses a significant risk of substantial public harm. We developed this list of stations by first identifying the markets in which all of the stations would be terminating analog service on February 17, 2009. We also identified markets in which affiliates of all four of the major networks, ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC, would be terminating analog service, or, in markets that do not have affiliates of all four networks, we determined if all of the major networks broadcasting in those markets would be terminating their analog service on February 17th. We also considered loss of major network service in cities within the larger DMAs. We considered the presence of major networks and their affiliates critical to ensuring that viewers have access to local news and public affairs available over the air because the major network affiliates are the primary source of local broadcast news and public affairs programming. Therefore, even if independent or non-commercial stations remain on the air in these markets, we still considered these areas at risk.

I may have interpreted this incorrectly when I found it online a few days before Feb. 17.

In our market, 57, as an ABC affiliate, would meet this "one major network still broadcasting in each market" idea that is apparently being referred to as "enhanced" (as opposed to extended) nightlight. Even though 57 is low power, they probably pass the 90 percent coverage idea that has been mentioned in at least one other FCC proposal on transition coverage issues.

Now, to create some "drama" where perhaps there is none...
Weigel is currently in the process of selling 57 (along with 25 and 69) to Schurz (which already owns 22). If Schurz already owned all of these stations and wanted to cut operating costs and were fighting with the FCC about being able to get on with their transition plans, should they:


Shut down their low power analog station (57 ABC)
Shut off the high power electricity guzzling one (22 CBS), flashcut to their permanent digital destination, and shut down their temporary digital setup
What if Schurz is still in the process of buying the stations (which they apparently are) that could get them out of that jam? Would they make the ongoing analog broadcast on 57 a condition for purchase?

Maybe I'm connecting too many dots and maybe the FCC would have let 57 shutdown on Feb. 17 had Weigel wanted to but drama shouldn't be restricted to just the TV screen, should it?

First I want to say thank you to Justalurker for his reply. Now I'm sure WSJV's station manager has to be banging their head on a daily basis crying out "why?"Since they have already ceased service on their analog they could probably throw the power switch anytime after April 18th (60 days). I'm not sure what notification they would need to make.

WSJV does hold and STA that would allow them to move their digital to 28.

One thing to note: WSJV is counting on getting a digital transmitter from WAOW for their final post-transition setup. Their decision probably rests on WAOW's timeline.
WSJV will seek an extension of the construction deadline beyond the current deadline of February 17, 2009 for a period of several weeks because WJSV plans to convert a transmitter that is currently being used for pre-transition digital operations by a commonly owned station (WAOW-DT, pre-transition digital Channel 29, post-transition digital Channel 9, Wausau, Wisconsin) as the transmitter for WSJV-DT’s post-transition facility and WAOW-DT’s pre-transition digital transmitter will be in service until the end of the DTV transition. So that WSJV may continue to provide digital service to viewers while the WAOW-DT pre-transition digital transmitter is converted for use for WSJV-DT’s post-transition operations, WSJV will seek special temporary authority to operate the station’s digital facility post-transition for a period of approximately 1 - 2 weeks with low power with a loaner digital transmitter.
WAOW should have ceased on Feb 17th per FCC filings.

Now as for WSBT and TVGos, I finally got an answer out of WSBT.. Well the word is it's delayed and they don't know when they'll ever be able to add it in.It needs to be on a big station. Putting TVGos on WCWW or the other LPs would not be a good option. I can't believe they are running it so tight they can't spare enough on WSBT's 22 DT.

Could TVGos work with another station (WNDU, WSJV, WNIT or even WHME which has plenty of bits to spare with only an SD feed on a huge signal)?

I may have interpreted this incorrectly when I found it online a few days before Feb. 17.

In our market, 57, as an ABC affiliate, would meet this "one major network still broadcasting in each market" idea that is apparently being referred to as "enhanced" (as opposed to extended) nightlight. Even though 57 is low power, they probably pass the 90 percent coverage idea that has been mentioned in at least one other FCC proposal on transition coverage issues.

The FCC only counts full-powered stations. If WBND-LP counted, the FCC would not have flagged the other stations in the market at all, since WBND-LP never requested to go off the air.

Now, to create some "drama" where perhaps there is none...
Weigel is currently in the process of selling 57 (along with 25 and 69) to Schurz (which already owns 22). If Schurz already owned all of these stations and wanted to cut operating costs and were fighting with the FCC about being able to get on with their transition plans, should they:


Shut down their low power analog station (57 ABC)
Shut off the high power electricity guzzling one (22 CBS), flashcut to their permanent digital destination, and shut down their temporary digital setup
What if Schurz is still in the process of buying the stations (which they apparently are) that could get them out of that jam? Would they make the ongoing analog broadcast on 57 a condition for purchase?

Maybe I'm connecting too many dots and maybe the FCC would have let 57 shutdown on Feb. 17 had Weigel wanted to but drama shouldn't be restricted to just the TV screen, should it?

You're aware that WSBT has already killed their analog on 22 and is operating their final DT-22 facilities, right?

- Trip

As trip has pointed out, ABC57 is a low power station ... they don't count toward analog shutdown. Even if congress would have left Feb 17th alone ABC57, CW25 and MyNetwork69 would have stayed on the air. They are LPs and don't need to shut down.

I'd like you to take a look at the FCC text you quoted:

We developed this list of stations by first identifying the markets in which all of the stations would be terminating analog service on February 17, 2009.This is the category South Bend fit into as all stations were either gone or planning to be gone on February 17th.

We also identified markets in which affiliates of all four of the major networks, ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC, would be terminating analog service, or, in markets that do not have affiliates of all four networks, we determined if all of the major networks broadcasting in those markets would be terminating their analog service on February 17th.South bend also fits this description as all of the network affiliate stations wanted to shut down.

In our market, 57, as an ABC affiliate, would meet this "one major network still broadcasting in each market" idea that is apparently being referred to as "enhanced" (as opposed to extended) nightlight. Even though 57 is low power, they probably pass the 90 percent coverage idea that has been mentioned in at least one other FCC proposal on transition coverage issues.If ABC57 counted the three stations would have never hit the FCC's list because South Bend would not have been a market where "early termination poses a significant risk of substantial public harm".

ABC57 doesn't count (nice station, look forward to Life on Mars tonight, but it doesn't count).

Maybe I'm connecting too many dots and maybe the FCC would have let 57 shutdown on Feb. 17 had Weigel wanted to but drama shouldn't be restricted to just the TV screen, should it?Weigel doesn't want to shut down their stations and plans on leaving the analogs running as long as they own them. (See earlier in this thread.)

BTW: The FCC has approved the sale of WBND but not WCWW or WMYS. Consummation of the WBND sale has been delayed while Weigel and Shurtz wait for the FCC to act.

28.1 just died on 3 of my 4 DVRs! Searching for signal.....

It is on here ... Idol?

Yep, only the standalone TiVo picks it up. The 3 Directv DVRs are searching for signal on 28.1. All other OTA's come in fine. :confused:

I have DirecTV and have two channels of high def WSJV through both the dish and an over the air antennae (I always got the locals over the air and when DTV added them in high def, I got that too and never got rid of my antennae). Tonight, I am getting WSJV in high def through the DirecTV feed, but the over the air feed says searching for signal.

I'm thinking maybe Directv jumped the gun on changing WSJV's frequency change...

There were some signal drops (momentary) later in the hour.
(This is on a DISH Network ViP-622 DVR - OTA.)

I'm thinking maybe Directv jumped the gun on changing WSJV's frequency change...
I too lost 28-1 on my Directv hr20-700 last night. I did a reset about 10:30 last night and it returned.

The FCC only counts full-powered stations. If WBND-LP counted, the FCC would not have flagged the other stations in the market at all, since WBND-LP never requested to go off the air.



You're aware that WSBT has already killed their analog on 22 and is operating their final DT-22 facilities, right?

- Trip
Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm just proposing one potential rationale for why Weigel may be keeping their LP analogs running in the South Bend market. Maybe Schurz did not have to put any pressure on Weigel to keep operating analog while they're working out the details of the sale. There are other reasons why analog LPs would want to run. Obviously they don't have to shut down but they can still choose to if they want. Congress claims (at least publicly) that there are a small but still significant number of people who can only pick up analog. If this is true, ABC 57 (and to a lesser degree, 25 and 69) should be picking up those analog only viewers that were watching 16, 22, and 28 a couple of weeks ago. It will be interesting to see the first batch of Nielsen ratings post Feb. 17 to see if the reality matches the expectation. In our market, we should be able to see if congress got it right (fat chance) or whether they were really just caving in to pressure from the AARP, Consumers Union, and others.

This is the category South Bend fit into as all stations were either gone or planning to be gone on February 17th.

South bend also fits this description as all of the network affiliate stations wanted to shut down.

If ABC57 counted the three stations would have never hit the FCC's list because South Bend would not have been a market where "early termination poses a significant risk of substantial public harm".

ABC57 doesn't count (nice station, look forward to Life on Mars tonight, but it doesn't count).

Maybe I haven't slogged through enough of the FCC documents but, if all of the major networks in the South Bend market were shutting down their full power analog broadcasting on/before Feb. 17, wouldn't the FCC have required at least one to stay on the air based on what this document is saying?

I guess the main requirement that I wonder if 16 and 28 are filling is "enhanced nightlight" which apparently involves a requirement to provide local news and public affairs programming as well as the emergency broadcast and infomercial type stuff that nightlight already required. Does what 16 and 28 are doing right now qualify? I don't watch them enough (in an analog capable situation) to see if they are running local news and public affairs programming. All I've seen is the DTV infomercials. I think I saw some morning news on 28 briefly on Thursday after Feb. 17 but I've checked on some other mornings since and haven't caught anything but the infomercial. Am I just not checking at the right time?

I guess because of my personal observations (admittedly, I'm not constantly checking all of the analogs at multiple hours of every day), I figured 57 was filling that gap. But as you and Trip have pointed out, 57 (while having some good things to watch) is irrelevant as far as the feds are concerned.

I too lost 28-1 on my Directv hr20-700 last night. I did a reset about 10:30 last night and it returned.

Yep, as of this morning, Directv branded HiDef DVRs have been fixed (a reboot was needed), but TiVo branded HiDef Directv DVRs are only partially fixed...28.1 can now be seen, but all of the guide data is missing so scheduled recordings won't work. Hopefully, this is just a case of someone at Directv entering the new digital frequency change too early and then catching it.

Yep, as of this morning, Directv branded HiDef DVRs have been fixed (a reboot was needed), but TiVo branded HiDef Directv DVRs are only partially fixed...28.1 can now be seen, but all of the guide data is missing so scheduled recordings won't work. Hopefully, this is just a case of someone at Directv entering the new digital frequency change too early and then catching it.
22-1, 22-2, and 22-3 are now MIA on my hr20

22-1, 22-2, and 22-3 are now MIA on my hr20
Just finished a reset and 22-1 is back, but still getting error 771 searching for signal on 22-2 and 22-3.

I've never seen TVGOS use more than 0.05 Mbps (granted, I haven't paid too much attention). Most stations have at least 5 times that amount in null packets.

- Trip

I won't repost their entire response, (as that's not relevant anyway) but this is the meat of the response given to me.

"In any case, here I am. If you’re talking about the same On-Screen service that I’m aware of, we have decided to delay its implementation at this time. As I understand it, it uses bandwidth that we’re not willing to give up, in that we already multi-cast three digital channels – 22.1, 22.2 and 22.3."

Just finished a reset and 22-1 is back, but still getting error 771 searching for signal on 22-2 and 22-3.
I also have an old Directv-Tivo hr10-250 and its data has 22- as ch 30 and 28-1 as ch 28. Strange that its data is different than on my hr20. My hr20 is getting 22-1 and 28-1 but not my hr10.

What a nightmare! After a reboot, delete, and rescan, my HR10-250 now gets two 22.1's and two 28.1's. The first on each has the guide data but no signal and the second on each has the signal but no guide data...making both channels unuseable for scheduled recordings.

What a nightmare! After a reboot, delete, and rescan, my HR10-250 now gets two 22.1's and two 28.1's. The first on each has the guide data but no signal and the second on each has the signal but no guide data...making both channels unuseable for scheduled recordings.
The first listing (with the guide data) for 22-1 and 28-1 are the ones from the Directv data stream which are pointing the receiver to ch30 and ch28. The second listing of each is from scanning for ota channels which is seeing the actual channels, but scanned ota channels don't show the guide data.

The first listing (with the guide data) for 22-1 and 28-1 are the ones from the Directv data stream which are pointing the receiver to ch30 and ch28. The second listing of each is from scanning for ota channels which is seeing the actual channels, but scanned ota channels don't show the guide data.

Correct.

Maybe I haven't slogged through enough of the FCC documents but, if all of the major networks in the South Bend market were shutting down their full power analog broadcasting on/before Feb. 17, wouldn't the FCC have required at least one to stay on the air based on what this document is saying?WSBT and WSJV certified that the "public interest" requirements would be met. That does NOT require that a station remains on the air. Normal programming can and has ceased.

I guess the main requirement that I wonder if 16 and 28 are filling is "enhanced nightlight" which apparently involves a requirement to provide local news and public affairs programming as well as the emergency broadcast and infomercial type stuff that nightlight already required. Does what 16 and 28 are doing right now qualify?Channel 16 shut down on February 16th and did not certify under the rules requiring "enhanced nightlight". They are providing a regular nightlight service that is expected to end after two weeks (almost there).

Channel 28 plans on leaving their analog on until June 12th but may shut it down sooner. I have not verified if they are playing anything other than the "go get a converter box" loop in English and Spanish.

I think I saw some morning news on 28 briefly on Thursday after Feb. 17 but I've checked on some other mornings since and haven't caught anything but the infomercial. Am I just not checking at the right time?A good question ... the FCC's rules on this were pretty vague (no mention of how many hours and when) and WSBT has not provided a program schedule for their analog.

I guess because of my personal observations (admittedly, I'm not constantly checking all of the analogs at multiple hours of every day), I figured 57 was filling that gap. But as you and Trip have pointed out, 57 (while having some good things to watch) is irrelevant as far as the feds are concerned.Exactly. As far as the community is concerned it is a nice place to turn (albeit with nowhere near the coverage area of the full power broadcasters). But as far as the FCC is concerned, it doesn't count.

22-1, 22-2, and 22-3 are now MIA on my hr20

I'm glad I just checked this forum as I was going crazy with the blank recordings of shows that were set up to tape on all of the local -1 channels. Very irritating as I had it DVRing American Idol only to find out that it taped NOTHING.....

I just went through and set up to tape through the "normal" 16, 22, 28 and 57 so I don't lose any more recordings.

A good question ... the FCC's rules on this were pretty vague (no mention of how many hours and when) and WSBT has not provided a program schedule for their analog.

I think you meant to say "WSJV" (channel 28) here, correct?

Thanks for the comments and clarification. I look forward to the final transitions so I don't have to keep "re-scanning" for channels or worrying that I missed an announcement about an upcoming change. If it just impacted me, it would be no big deal but a minor portion of my work (which is taking major time right now) is to be sure our SMATV system (which includes redistributing the local channels on our campus cable system) works gracefully through the transition. If it isn't working right, we have a bundle of e-mails and voicemails letting us know when we get to work in the morning.

I think you meant to say "WSJV" (channel 28) here, correct?Yes.

The way it stands you should not have to rescan again until June ... unless you have not rescanned since Feb 17th (when WSBT moved). WNDU turning off their analog completely will not cause a scan because they are staying on DT 42.

Keep an eye on nearby markets, but I don't believe any of them are changing soon.

Correct.
I am still not getting 22-2 and 22-3 on my hr20 and 28-1 and 22- on my hr10-250 for directv. Anyone having better luck with directv?

22.1 & 28.1 are still screwed up on my HR10-250 & TiVoHD, but they both work on my HR20.

22.1 & 28.1 are still screwed up on my HR10-250 & TiVoHD, but they both work on my HR20.
Are you getting 22-2 and 22-3 on your HR20? I'm not.

Like I said earlier, 22.2/.3 are deleted on all my DVRs as they are just standard def reruns & a radar image.

28-1 missing this morning on my HR20 Directv. Seems things are getting worse rather than better.

I just thought I'd post a quick comparison of the signal strength I'm getting before and after the transition.

These are the numbers I posted on 1-21-09.

16.1 WNDU 96
22.1 WSBT 88
25.1 WCWW 85
28.1 WSJV 96
34.1 WNIT 93
46.1 WHME 90
57.1 WBND 90
69.1 WYMS 76

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These are the numbers today.


16.1 WNDU 98
22.1 WSBT 100
25.1 WCWW 74-85 (quit bouncing around so much after the recent snow.)
28.1 WSJV 95-98
34.1 WNIT 93-95
46.1 WHME 93
57.1 WBND 83-86
69.1 WYMS 80

I think the real numbers to look at will be after 16 & 28 drop their nite light service. Otherwise WSBT 22 is the only one I see that has a drastic change in signal strength.

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My brother & I just re-aimed the antenna today this time using a compass and fallowing the direction TVFool.com told us to aim.. So here's the updated numbers.

New numbers as of 3-2-09

16.1 WNDU 96-100
22.1 WSBT 100
25.1 WCWW 85-90
28.1 WSJV 98-100
34.1 WNIT 93-95
46.1 WHME 91-93
57.1 WBND 81-83
69.1 WYMS 88-90

25.1 was my problem channel, but was working just fine today when we adjusted the antenna. Now hopefully since we are aimed dead on towards the South Bend towers, my signal issues will be a thing of the past.

Phoenixfury, what is your location from the towers and about how far away?
Jim

several of the path few episodes of 24 and American idol have messed up on WSJV for me, including the first 20 minutes of today's episode of 24. I know it's not my DVR since no other channels have had this problem. It's usually the video goes out while I can hear the sound, and seeking is broken during this. Can anybody else confirm this? I am using a comcast DVR. It may not specifically be the DVRs fault, but maybe a combination of a messed up signal plus my dvr freaking out with it.

Oh yeah, it also happened during terminator last week i think (or maybe the week before)

Also, I can't find a contact email to tell them about this either.

EDIT: My mom says somebody on her facebook said they experienced the same thing

Phoenixfury, what is your location from the towers and about how far away?
Jim

I live off of the corner of Nappanee Street and Mishawaka Road in Elkhart.

I can't just copy & paste the information, so I'll just give you the basic info to enter into TVFool for my location.

http://tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29

Broad Street
Elkhart, IN

several of the path few episodes of 24 and American idol have messed up on WSJV for me, including the first 20 minutes of today's episode of 24. I know it's not my DVR since no other channels have had this problem. It's usually the video goes out while I can hear the sound, and seeking is broken during this. Can anybody else confirm this? I am using a comcast DVR. It may not specifically be the DVRs fault, but maybe a combination of a messed up signal plus my dvr freaking out with it.

Oh yeah, it also happened during terminator last week i think (or maybe the week before)

Also, I can't find a contact email to tell them about this either.

EDIT: My mom says somebody on her facebook said they experienced the same thing

My comcast DVR did the exact same thing on 24 last night. The signals on both my DTVPal DVR and my TV's OTA tuner were fine.

22.1 & 28.1 are still screwed up on my HR10-250 & TiVoHD, but they both work on my HR20.
22 & 28 both "fixed" on my HR10 and HR20 as of 9:45 am.

My comcast DVR did the exact same thing on 24 last night. The signals on both my DTVPal DVR and my TV's OTA tuner were fine.

So it's probably fox28's feed to comcast or something?

Does anybody know of a contact email? I couldn't find anything of their website.

For those that are interested, the WNDU-TV analog transmitter will sign-off tonight some time during the 7:00 PM hour.

Thanks for the warning ... I'll be watching. :)

FCC specs followed by the national anthem and finally ...
"... This was WNDU-TV Channel 16 South Bend."

George, you should have played the song from "Beyond our Control" that ran during the credits...

Final Moments of Analog ...
WSBT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14r9_Nlyv2s
WNDU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCGryfeinBo

When I worked in the Rockford, IL market, we had a guy that put together a sign off that at the end of the National Anthem, there was video of someone pulling a plug out of the wall and then picture goes to static. He did this for his last sign off.

For those that are interested, the WNDU-TV analog transmitter will sign-off tonight some time during the 7:00 PM hour.

Since channel 16 isn't going back to it's physical channel, will WNDU eventually designate itself as channel 42, or will it always be channel 16 on digital 42?

Stations should keep their original channel "brand" regardless of channel. There have only been a couple of stations nationwide that have changed their number and branding.

Stations should keep their original channel "brand" regardless of channel. There have only been a couple of stations nationwide that have changed their number and branding.

ABC 57 used to be 58.

ABC 57 used to be 58.Yes, but that is an example of a low power station changing analog channels (analog 58 to analog 57) because 58 was no longer available (added to the table of allotments as a digital TV channel). It is not an example of a station changing their identity to the digital channel number to replace the analog channel number. (Otherwise we would be talking about ABC 49.)

Hmmm ... when WMYS 69 gets their displacement application approved to move their analog from 69 to 34 (leaving the digital on 23) it opens the door for confusion. Analog stations are known for their real channel number ... but WNIT who vacated channel 34 analog is still using the "34" brand in South Bend (broadcasting on channel 35 in digital but using 34.1 and 34.2). One can't have two channels 34 in the same city.

Something for Wiegel/Shurtz to work out when the permission comes.

I don't know, I like the idea of WNDU changing their branding to Channel 42. NewCenter42. StormCenter42.

42: The Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything...
:)

I don't know, I like the idea of WNDU changing their branding to Channel 42. NewCenter42. StormCenter42.

42: The Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything...
:)

I hear that, and every nightly newscast must be read by a severely depressed robot. :)

Better yet, just imagine how the weather reports would be read..

I wonder when the stations will change their legal ID slides ...

All the ones I have seen recently still say "WHME-TV/WHME-DT" etc ... even though all but one of the "TV" stations are off the air. Shouldn't the slide read "WHME-DT"?

(WNDU-TV/WNDU-DT should just be WNDU-DT)

Once again, DST rears its ugly head... Here it is, 9:30pm EDT, and let's see what time our local Digital TV stations say it is...

WNDU-DT - 9:30pm
WSBT-DT - 9:30pm (all 3 sub-channels)
WCWW-LD - 8:31pm (!)
WSVJ-DT - 9:30pm
WNIT-DT - 8:31pm (!)
WHME-DT - 9:30pm
WBND-LD - 8:31pm (!)
WMYS-LD - 8:31pm (!)

According to my Dish TR-40, the channels that are an hour off are not broadcasting the DST flag (as it understands it) since I can tune in WNDU or WSBT, say, and toggle the Daylight Yes/No option and the time changes. Doing this while tuned to one of the Weigel stations, however, yields no change in the time displayed.

The issue is more than cosmetic. I don't know what the movie on WMYS is right now, but the Info screen shows an episode of Cheers on both the TR-40 and my Toshiba 40RF350. Anyone in Michiana with the DTVpal DVR will be recording the wrong programs until this is fixed.

I can't check my Zenith DTT-901 as I don't want to wake up my son.

Once again, DST rears its ugly head... Here it is, 9:30pm EDT, and let's see what time our local Digital TV stations say it is...

WNDU-DT - 9:30pm
WSBT-DT - 9:30pm (all 3 sub-channels)
WCWW-LD - 8:31pm (!)
WSVJ-DT - 9:30pm
WNIT-DT - 8:31pm (!)
WHME-DT - 9:30pm
WBND-LD - 8:31pm (!)
WMYS-LD - 8:31pm (!)

According to my Dish TR-40, the channels that are an hour off are not broadcasting the DST flag (as it understands it) since I can tune in WNDU or WSBT, say, and toggle the Daylight Yes/No option and the time changes. Doing this while tuned to one of the Weigel stations, however, yields no change in the time displayed.

The issue is more than cosmetic. I don't know what the movie on WMYS is right now, but the Info screen shows an episode of Cheers on both the TR-40 and my Toshiba 40RF350. Anyone in Michiana with the DTVpal DVR will be recording the wrong programs until this is fixed.

I can't check my Zenith DTT-901 as I don't want to wake up my son.


I didn't even bother to set my DTVPal DVR because of this issue. I had a hunch it would happen and it did. I really hope that all of the TV stations can be more on the ball about adjusting for DST in the future.. This is so disruptive and annoying especially for us DVR owners.

Once again, DST rears its ugly head... Here it is, 9:30pm EDT, and let's see what time our local Digital TV stations say it is...

WNDU-DT - 9:30pm
WSBT-DT - 9:30pm (all 3 sub-channels)
WCWW-LD - 8:31pm (!)
WSVJ-DT - 9:30pm
WNIT-DT - 8:31pm (!)
WHME-DT - 9:30pm
WBND-LD - 8:31pm (!)
WMYS-LD - 8:31pm (!)

According to my Dish TR-40, the channels that are an hour off are not broadcasting the DST flag (as it understands it) since I can tune in WNDU or WSBT, say, and toggle the Daylight Yes/No option and the time changes. Doing this while tuned to one of the Weigel stations, however, yields no change in the time displayed.

The issue is more than cosmetic. I don't know what the movie on WMYS is right now, but the Info screen shows an episode of Cheers on both the TR-40 and my Toshiba 40RF350. Anyone in Michiana with the DTVpal DVR will be recording the wrong programs until this is fixed.

I can't check my Zenith DTT-901 as I don't want to wake up my son.

Ours should be fixed. Can anyone confirm?

Ours should be fixed. Can anyone confirm?

I can confirm all 25.1, 57.1, and 69.1 are still an hour behind on my DTVPal DVR.

I also checked my tv and it's also showing those channels are also still an hour behind.

WNIT seems to be the worst case here. Not only are they an hour behind, but none of their guide data is even showing up. Isn't daylight savings time fun?!

As of 9:17pm, the time situation is still the same. The Guide Data now seems to match the programming now, however.

As of 9:17pm, the time situation is still the same. The Guide Data now seems to match the programming now, however.

I just checked a few minutes ago and this is the case. The programing is right, the time displayed is wrong. Also 28.1, and 34.1 (and .2) are also showing the wrong time and no program guide data.

TV STATION POWER QUESTION
Just wondering if a station is transmitting at 100,000 watts do the sub channels detract power from the main channel or do they get a free ride because they are digital? Help me understand how this works!
Jim

TV STATION POWER QUESTION
Just wondering if a station is transmitting at 100,000 watts do the sub channels detract power from the main channel or do they get a free ride because they are digital? Help me understand how this works!
Jim

With analog, power used to fluctuate a bit depending on the intensity of the picture. With digital it doesn't matter if you have 1 sub or 20. (did i say 20 :eek:)

Yep ... it is all one mux ... the 1 megawatts is the effective radiated power of a signal that contains a lot of digital data. Channel 22.2 and 22.3 have the same power as 22.1 ... they are all carried on DT22 in our market. The difference would be how many bits within that digital stream are given to each channel.

Now, I have no idea how much bitrate they currently use, but I think 22.1 should have a minimum of 65% of the total bitrate of 22.1+22.2+22.3.

I would maybe even push that up to 75% or higher, due to less viewers on the other stations (as well as the weather station not requiring as many bits as 22.2)


Also, I'm pretty sure 16.1 needs a boost in bitrate, I notice the picture blocking up quite a lot. I say get rid of 16.2, no reason for it.

I really hate the problems that come right along with day light savings time.. Now I'm irked because I feel this is going to be a problem every time day light savings occurs. It's now Wednesday and 25.1, 57.1, and 69.1 are still showing the incorrect time, but at least the guide data now matches what's being shown. Worse yet 28 is not showing guide data, and 34 is not showing guide data or the correct time.

I haven't yet tried recording on 25, 57, or 69 since the time change, but am concerned that my DTVPal DVR won't record on the correct times since recordings are timer based. Last time this happened I had a problem when I recorded on a channel with the right time and recording the wrong shows at the wrong time on these channels.. :(

I really hate the problems that come right along with day light savings time.. Now I'm irked because I feel this is going to be a problem every time day light savings occurs. It's now Wednesday and 25.1, 57.1, and 69.1 are still showing the incorrect time, but at least the guide data now matches what's being shown. Worse yet 28 is not showing guide data, and 34 is not showing guide data or the correct time.

I haven't yet tried recording on 25, 57, or 69 since the time change, but am concerned that my DTVPal DVR won't record on the correct times since recordings are timer based. Last time this happened I had a problem when I recorded on a channel with the right time and recording the wrong shows at the wrong time on these channels.. :(

They should be remedied by tommorow evening.

They should be remedied by tommorow evening.

Thanks man, just so you know I don't blame you in this. Somehow I have the feeling somewhere along the line someone failed to take DST into serious consideration in DTV design. In a perfect world DST would never be necessary, but it ain't perfect neither is getting the time (and sometimes guide data) right apparently.

Thanks man, just so you know I don't blame you in this. Somehow I have the feeling somewhere along the line someone failed to take DST into serious consideration in DTV design. In a perfect world DST would never be necessary, but it ain't perfect neither is getting the time (and sometimes guide data) right apparently.The bits for DST are built in to the PSIP specifications, but this is something new for TV broadcasters to take into account (having to provide accurate Date & Time) due to DVRs that set their schedules based on the channel's time.

The irritating thing for me is having the TV stations "out of synch" screws up my Toshiba's Info display.

hvs10trk, thanks for looking into this for us. Set a Outlook reminder for November 1st (DST ends)...

The bits for DST are built in to the PSIP specifications, but this is something new for TV broadcasters to take into account (having to provide accurate Date & Time) due to DVRs that set their schedules based on the channel's time.

The irritating thing for me is having the TV stations "out of synch" screws up my Toshiba's Info display.

hvs10trk, thanks for looking into this for us. Set a Outlook reminder for November 1st (DST ends)...

It's not a matter of actually changing it, its the devices down the line that need a kick in the butt to pass the change. :D