Phoenix, i have the dtvpal dvr as well. I have lots of the reboots and lockups, but they come in waves. I have lots for a couple of weeks, then none for a couple. I am wondering if it is related to program guide issues locally. have you been having any problems, especially more in the last 3 days?

The first new episodes of Smallville & Supernatural in a month and WCWW is dead...again. My 9 year old has been looking forward to this for weeks and just asked why channel 25 is so horrible. :mad:

Is anyone else having issues with WBND? Trying to watch Grey's and all I get on analog is a frozen picture of Deal or No Deal and on the HD feed it is just blank. Watching through Comcast. The wife and daughters are not happy.

Just came on at 9:04.

CBS (channel 22) is now being broadcast in HD through DirecTV, for any of you subscribers out there.

The first new episodes of Smallville & Supernatural in a month and WCWW is dead...again. My 9 year old has been looking forward to this for weeks and just asked why channel 25 is so horrible. :mad:

Guys,
We're having what we suspect as microwave interferrence here in Chicago with our South Bend path. It lit up again last night right before Prime Time. We have temporary fixes in place now while we try to find the source of the interferrence. Sorry for the inconvienece. :(

It's not a matter of actually changing it, its the devices down the line that need a kick in the butt to pass the change. :DGive me the address, and I'll put my size 13s to the task... ;)

DST Update: The same channels are still off Friday night @ 11:00pm EDT.

CBS (channel 22) is now being broadcast in HD through DirecTV, for any of you subscribers out there.

About time!!

About time!!
Now when are they 22, going to be in HD on DISH???
Jim

Give me the address, and I'll put my size 13s to the task... ;)

DST Update: The same channels are still off Friday night @ 11:00pm EDT.

Had a bit of a fiasco with our Microwave link so we haven't had a chance to kick it into gear.

Had a bit of a fiasco with our Microwave link so we haven't had a chance to kick it into gear.:( This probably isn't a high priority with the pending sale to WSBT, right? Too bad you guys didn't rent some dark fiber from NICTD. Downtown Chicago to South Bend's airport. I'm sure AT&T could have taken it from there.

Phoenix, i have the dtvpal dvr as well. I have lots of the reboots and lockups, but they come in waves. I have lots for a couple of weeks, then none for a couple. I am wondering if it is related to program guide issues locally. have you been having any problems, especially more in the last 3 days?

Sorry that it has taken me so long to reply to this. I've had my DTVPal since mid January and have had very few issues with the DVR itself. I had 1 scheduled reboot and one random. I also recently unplugged it due to moving my things into my new living area and my DVR froze within a couple of minutes.. The only other issues I've had were with scheduling due to some channels not showing the correct time. This has caused me to lose scheduled recordings due to these channels carrying the wrong time even on channels with the correct time. As I right this, 25, 57, and 69 are all still 1 hour behind.. :(

I just checked all my locals again, and found WNIT 34 is also still 1 hour behind as well.. The downer here is I have to becareful not only to leave my DVR on these channels, but not to record on them either which counters the purpose of having the DVR in the first place.. If I record on any of these channels, it messes up the time for the programs I want to record on the channels with the correct time.

Does anyone know what WNIT (34-1) is doing? There is a green crawl along the top of the screen that seems to be Severe Weather announcements from August 4th.

The signal isn't reaching me in Elkhart at the moment ... DISH still has the SD feed (no crawl).

Does anyone know what WNIT (34-1) is doing? There is a green crawl along the top of the screen that seems to be Severe Weather announcements from August 4th.Ah. One of my co-workers had the answer. It's "Indiana Severe Weather Awareness Week" March 15th - 21st. Today is the day to conduct tornado drills (I heard the sirens when I got home after work). I'm surprised I didn't see any of the other stations participating.

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I'm new and was wondering if there has been any talk/progress in getting WBND and WCWW in high definition on Directv?

I don't know if the sale's been finalized yet, but WBND and WCWW are being sold to Schurz, who owns WSBT.
Weigel, the old owners, and Schurz are both known to play hardball over compensation.
Schurz owns an NBC station in Springfield, MO and their HD station was added to Directv the Friday before the Super Bowl and WSBT HD was added just before March Madness.
Weigel owns the CBS HD station in Milwaukee, and as far as I know, they and Directv still haven't reached an agreement.

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I'm new and was wondering if there has been any talk/progress in getting WBND and WCWW in high definition on Directv?

Not that the people here aren't experts, but you might ask over at DBStalk.com.

Between that site, and this site, there's literally no questions about electronics that can't be answered.

I don't know if the sale's been finalized yet, but WBND and WCWW are being sold to Schurz, who owns WSBT....

Well, I am watching WBND now and WSBT-2 feed keeps popping in and out while in the middle of Seinfeld. First thought was my tuner went wacky. Guess it must be true.

The sale is true, but WSBT has not consumed the deal yet.
(The FCC has approved the transfer of WBND, but not yet WCWW and WMYS.)

I noticed before heading to work the 25.1, 57.1, and 69.1 are all finally showing the correct time. Woohoo! Unfortunately now 28 is no longer showing guide listings and 34 is still behind an hour. Hopefully 28 will be fixed before Friday, but if not at least I'll be home to watch T:SCC live anyway. :)

I noticed before heading to work the 25.1, 57.1, and 69.1 are all finally showing the correct time. Woohoo!If you don't mind being a minute fast, that is... But you are correct that the DST flag is now set.

If you don't mind being a minute fast, that is... But you are correct that the DST flag is now set.

Actually I'm not a minute fast. One thing my DTVPal DVR seems to do right is allow you to adjust the minutes and that seems to stick. Only the hours seem to be affected by what ever a broadcaster is broadcasting.. Otherwise my minutes are the same no matter what channel I tune into. The key here is I had to manually set the minutes to get them to stay the same.

Does anyone have U-Verse? How do you like it? I'm moving to a home that is in their service area and am thinking about signing up.

There was an audio drop out 15 minutes into Smallville. Again upon viewing this weeks episode my DVR claimed that the recording had a signal loss.. The only thing that seemed to be lost was a few seconds of audio.. I did notice the white flashes again too.

Does anyone have U-Verse? How do you like it? I'm moving to a home that is in their service area and am thinking about signing up.

For the most part I like mine. Here's a few bugs that they have:
HDMI audio does not support 5.1 yet. :eek:
Picture and sound pause everyonce and a while like a stream hiccup.

Overall picture is pretty good. Whole House DVR is pretty cool but you cant schedule/erase shows from another room yet. Rumored to have that update coming soon. And if your like me and watch way too much TV, you'll find yourself juggling around what your recording. Your limited to 4 streams to your house. 2HD and 2SD, or 4 SD. So if you're recording 2 HD shows and want to watch a 3rd, you may want to have an OTA feed handy. Overall though I'm happy with them.

Sorry, but I have a very basic question: I have an OTA antenna because Dish network doesn't offer HD locals. Am considering ditching satellite entirely to save money, but I'm concerned that my OTA set-up seems spotty at times, probably due to multipath or treeline interference (channel 16.1 was dropping like crazy during last Fall's Notre Dame games, but the problem is less an issue in Winter, except I do notice Fox 28 being erratic sometimes lately.)

Anyway, I get confused about the way that stations have two or more numbers now (like 16 is also 42 or some such), and if I decide to get a new antenna, I'm not sure what channel range one should really have around South Bend (Granger). And I'm also not sure what's expected to change as the digital transition completes itself. Do I need to be ready for serious VHF reception down the road (like channels 2-13?). Thanks for any tips!

David

Sorry, but I have a very basic question: I have an OTA antenna because Dish network doesn't offer HD locals. Am considering ditching satellite entirely to save money, but I'm concerned that my OTA set-up seems spotty at times, probably due to multipath or treeline interference (channel 16.1 was dropping like crazy during last Fall's Notre Dame games, but the problem is less an issue in Winter, except I do notice Fox 28 being erratic sometimes lately.)That could be caused be the leaves on any trees you have near your house if it disappears in the winter. As close as I am to the transmitters, if it's a windy, rainy day, I'll see occasional break-ups in WSJV-DT's signal from all of the wet leaves moving around. If you put up an external antenna, you can add some altitude to get above the trees, plus you can tilt the antenna up a few degrees to minimize reflections from the ground and lower trees.Anyway, I get confused about the way that stations have two or more numbers now (like 16 is also 42 or some such), and if I decide to get a new antenna, I'm not sure what channel range one should really have around South Bend (Granger). And I'm also not sure what's expected to change as the digital transition completes itself. Do I need to be ready for serious VHF reception down the road (like channels 2-13?). Thanks for any tips!

DavidAll of the South Bend locals are UHF and will probably stay that way for the foreseeable future. The FCC website has good information, as does the RabbitEars site that has been mentioned previously in this thread.

Oh, even though it hardly counts, DishNetwork does offer South Bend HD Locals, if by HD Locals you mean WNDU-DT, and by Locals you mean Local.

Sorry, but I have a very basic question: I have an OTA antenna because Dish network doesn't offer HD locals.DISH does carry WNDU in HD. You have to have a dish aimed at 61.5 and subscribe to HD and locals to get the feed. DirecTV just got channel 22 as their third HD local in the market, so it is still possible the others will be added to DISH.

From Granger you're probably dealing with multipath more than other signal problems. You're not that far away from the towers (which are near the St Joseph Co fairgrounds). As Foxbat noted, all the signals in town are UHF.

Digital signals are currently on 22, 23, 27, 42, 35, 48, 49 and 58. The signal on 58 will be replaced by a digital signal on 28 on June 12th. WHME has asked to move their signal from 48 to 46. 23, 27 and 49 are low power signals.

The only other digital change pending is TBNs translator in Elkhart flash cutting from analog to digital on channel 18. The construction permit for that move expired earlier this month.

Thanks, guys. It appears that some tinkering is in order. I'll try relocating the antenna and maybe try a more directional one, too. If anything interesting comes of it, I'll report back.

David

The signal on 58 will be replaced by a digital signal on 28 on June 12th.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I beleive they'll be at higher power as well, after that transition.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I beleive they'll be at higher power as well, after that transition.

Good, I cannot watch 28 on a windy day ... very annoying. I do have a directional fairly high front to back ratio yagi. All other stations - even the low power ones all come in rock solid except 28 freezing and decoder black outs.

If the leaves are to blame, one would think other signals would also have problems, but they do not. Only 28. I'm not distant, just north east Elkhart.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I beleive they'll be at higher power as well, after that transition.Current 42 kW @ 315m HAAT -- after June 12th, 250 kW @ 335m HAAT.

From their transition report: "WJSV plans to convert a transmitter that is currently being used for pre-transition digital operations by a commonly owned station (WAOW-DT, pre-transition digital Channel 29, post-transition digital Channel 9, Wausau, Wisconsin) as the transmitter for WSJV-DT’s post-transition facility". IIRC WAOW ceased using this transmitter so assuming the transportation and conversion of the transmitter goes/went well they should be ready for June 12th. Digital 28 will use the current analog 28 antenna as mounted.

HVS, sorry I hadn't posted sooner.. I hadn't seen any guide data for 25, 57, 69 for the past day. Just FYI.

I talked to one of my co-workers and he seems to think that WSJV may run two physical channels. I wrote the engineer for channel 28 inquiring about Retro Television network and he told me that has been shelved until later this year and that they are looking for another network to add in addition to that one.. However in his reply he indicated another physical channel.. Or at least that's the way I interpreted it. Here is the email I sent and the reply I got back. This is from when channel 28 recently lost it's guide data.
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Yes, I think we are having problems with the unit that is generating the program guide data. We will be looking into it.

As far as a second channel is concerned, I think that has been tabled for awhile considering the financial state of things. We may have a second channel on the air before the end of the year. In addition to the Retro Network we are also looking at another vendor.


David Gooding
Chief Engineer
WSJV-TV 28
PO Box 28; South Bend, IN 46624
574-679-9758, fax 574-2941267
dgooding@fox28.com


From: WCMc [You ain't getting my email address :-P~]
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:35 PM
To: David Gooding
Subject: No guide data on 28.1

I think you are the one I need to talk to.. I'm just wondering what happened to the guide data for digital 28.1. I hadn't seen it on any of my ATSC tuners since Sunday. I'm just bumming a little bit as this affects my DVR recordings, especially on 28.1 since there are no listings.

I'm also wondering what ever come of the plans for Retro Television Network.. Is that still yet to come, or anything else coming in it's place? Thanks in advance.

--
Wally (AKA Phoenixfury)

I think he just meant second program stream when he said "second channel" as that's how a lot of non-technical people talk about this sort of thing.

As far as the other vendor, it's probably This TV. It launched recently on co-owned Quincy stations in Wausau and Madison WI.

- Trip

I think he just meant second program stream when he said "second channel" as that's how a lot of non-technical people talk about this sort of thing.

As far as the other vendor, it's probably This TV. It launched recently on co-owned Quincy stations in Wausau and Madison WI.

- Trip

This is true, but at the same time I'm wondering what 28 is going to do with 2 digital transmitters. :)

This is true, but at the same time I'm wondering what 28 is going to do with 2 digital transmitters. :)

A primary and a backup. :)

- Trip

A primary and a backup. :)

- Trip

That could be. As for This TV I see that channel is owned by Weigel. I'd think that channel would be more apt to show up under 25, 57, or 69..

Personally I'd like to see 28 pick up the ION Television Network (http://www.iontelevision.com/). I think their program line up looks pretty solid. :)

But Weigel is selling them to Schurz, and if that was the case, I imagine we'd have seen This on one or more of them by now.

I have an ION affiliate at home and never watch it. It shows infomercials for most of the day, then reruns in the evenings. I actually watch RTN more than ION.

- Trip

But Weigel is selling them to Schurz, and if that was the case, I imagine we'd have seen This on one or more of them by now.

I have an ION affiliate at home and never watch it. It shows infomercials for most of the day, then reruns in the evenings. I actually watch RTN more than ION.

- Trip

Man I think this who owns who, and who's affiliated to what is more confusing than the whole DTV transition itself. ROFL

Also, see this article: http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/01/this_tv_cleared_in_60_of_us.php

"Quincy Newspaper stations in Madison, Wis., Cedar Rapids, Iowa, South Bend, Ind., and Wausau, Wis., also have signed on for THIS TV."

- Trip

I just want to comment about ION.

In NW Indiana I can get ION from Chicago (WCPX 38). Their lineup is awful. There appears to be NO local programming and their schedule is full of infomercials all day. The primetime has no original programming, just reruns of Boston Legal. It is a waste of a high power signal and I'm glad its not on in the South Bend market. You might regret it if it does come.

I just want to comment about ION.

In NW Indiana I can get ION from Chicago (WCPX 38). Their lineup is awful. There appears to be NO local programming and their schedule is full of infomercials all day. The primetime has no original programming, just reruns of Boston Legal. It is a waste of a high power signal and I'm glad its not on in the South Bend market. You might regret it if it does come.

I guess it looked better on their site than I thought. I just got excited when I saw Quantum Leap was amongst their listings. LOL

HVS, sorry I hadn't posted sooner.. I hadn't seen any guide data for 25, 57, 69 for the past day. Just FYI.

I talked to one of my co-workers and he seems to think that WSJV may run two physical channels. I wrote the engineer for channel 28 inquiring about Retro Television network and he told me that has been shelved until later this year and that they are looking for another network to add in addition to that one.. However in his reply he indicated another physical channel.. Or at least that's the way I interpreted it. Here is the email I sent and the reply I got back. This is from when channel 28 recently lost it's guide data.
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Yes, I think we are having problems with the unit that is generating the program guide data. We will be looking into it.

As far as a second channel is concerned, I think that has been tabled for awhile considering the financial state of things. We may have a second channel on the air before the end of the year. In addition to the Retro Network we are also looking at another vendor.


David Gooding
Chief Engineer
WSJV-TV 28
PO Box 28; South Bend, IN 46624
574-679-9758, fax 574-2941267
dgooding@fox28.com


From: WCMc [You ain't getting my email address :-P~]
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:35 PM
To: David Gooding
Subject: No guide data on 28.1

I think you are the one I need to talk to.. I'm just wondering what happened to the guide data for digital 28.1. I hadn't seen it on any of my ATSC tuners since Sunday. I'm just bumming a little bit as this affects my DVR recordings, especially on 28.1 since there are no listings.

I'm also wondering what ever come of the plans for Retro Television Network.. Is that still yet to come, or anything else coming in it's place? Thanks in advance.

--
Wally (AKA Phoenixfury)

Yeah noticed that just now on the Chicago side of Weigel. Fixed now. Thanks for the heads up!!

(!?*^@$% computers) :mad:

Yeah tell me about it! Me on the other hand being a Battlestar Galactica fan, I wouldn't hold back.. Frakking computers! BTW I just checked and the listings are now restored. Thanks a bunch HVS!

I guess it looked better on their site than I thought. I just got excited when I saw Quantum Leap was amongst their listings. LOL

lol Quantum Leap is the only reason I do not have that channel completely deleted. :)

Current 42 kW @ 315m HAAT -- after June 12th, 250 kW @ 335m HAAT.

(The above refers to WSJV)

That's sweet! I'll be counting the days until June 12th. I have officially given up on WFFT here in Angola!

Yeah this is the same thing I've been posting for a while. I'm still seeing scrambled flashes and the audio fizzled out at the end of this week's Smallville on 25.1 again. I have my fingers crossed that when 28 drops their analog channel that these problems go away. However as far as I can tell this is only happening during the CW network broadcasts.

Yeah this is the same thing I've been posting for a while. I'm still seeing scrambled flashes and the audio fizzled out at the end of this week's Smallville on 25.1 again. I have my fingers crossed that when 28 drops their analog channel that these problems go away. However as far as I can tell this is only happening during the CW network broadcasts.

I think the audio fizzles are coming from CW network themselves. I've had a hard time proving that theory.

I think the audio fizzles are coming from CW network themselves. I've had a hard time proving that theory.

I just watched She's All That and didn't see any flashes or hear any fizzled out audio.. Was that played locally, or was that also over the CW network?

I just watched She's All That and didn't see any flashes or hear any fizzled out audio.. Was that played locally, or was that also over the CW network?

I believe locally.

I think the audio fizzles are coming from CW network themselves. I've had a hard time proving that theory.I don't see complaints in the other market's threads about it ... so if it IS coming from the network it is being filtered out on other stations. (Or their viewers don't care?)

When there have been national problems there are usually a flood of complaints on various threads. Have you seen any related complaints in Chicago?

I don't see complaints in the other market's threads about it ... so if it IS coming from the network it is being filtered out on other stations. (Or their viewers don't care?)

When there have been national problems there are usually a flood of complaints on various threads. Have you seen any related complaints in Chicago?

Well a lot of markets take 5.1 audio, we only take 2.0. I also think the actual fizzle doesnt come from CW but its our gear that has a problem with something in the audio stream and finally un-clocks itself and thats the fizzle you hear. Our distribution plant tends to tell you when there's a problem with signals (i.e. audio dropouts, green flashes, etc.)

Will the Cubs and Sox games air on WMYS this season?

Will the Cubs and Sox games air on WMYS this season?

No idea. I haven't gotten a copy of the summer sports schedule yet. I'll let ya know when I hear something.

So what happens to 25,57, and 69 analog once WSBT takes ownership?

I'm just curious, but why is 69 trying to move to analog 34? I would imagine that would be a bit confusing for some people.. For instance WNIT already has digital 34 although they are really on digital 35. Now if WMYS moves to 34, would they still identify themselves as channel 69, or 34? Is 34 a better frequency to be on than 69? Am I asking way too many questions? LOL

So what happens to 25,57, and 69 analog once WSBT takes ownership?

Hopefully they won't make them an infomercial dumping ground.

Just in case anyone's interested, I see a test pattern on channel 28 right now. Might be a good idea to DVR that to use to adjust your tv. :) ROFL I'm sure by time most of you read this, they'll just put the night light garbage back on.

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I stand corrected. I checked back and found the Girls Gone Wild infomercial on both 28 analog and digital. LOL

WSJV is chopping up badly on the Comcast SD feed tonight here in the La Porte/ Michigan City cable system. It is pixelating real bad.

Do they get the signal from over-the-air?

I'm just curious, but why is 69 trying to move to analog 34? I would imagine that would be a bit confusing for some people.. For instance WNIT already has digital 34 although they are really on digital 35. Now if WMYS moves to 34, would they still identify themselves as channel 69, or 34? Is 34 a better frequency to be on than 69? Am I asking way too many questions? LOL

Yes, too many questions. :D 69 is an out of core frequency that will need to drop soon. Short of answering for management, I believe the move to 34 is an effort to keep WMYS analog going.

Yes, too many questions. :D 69 is an out of core frequency that will need to drop soon. Short of answering for management, I believe the move to 34 is an effort to keep WMYS analog going.No being affected by management, WMYS needs to get out of the way of a very important statewide emergency network that is being interfered with by the 69 signal being on the air. While I agree that having a "new 34" will be confusing the channel is available and will not cause or receive interference.

If you have a broadcast property you should protect it ... even if all you are doing is broadcasting a "MyTV" network ... it is an outlet that can be used.

I don't know if FOX28 changed anything, but I'm showing a signal strength of 90 here today. I've never seen it higher than 70 and it's usually more like 60-64. I hope it stays this way.

Updated: It's actually closer to about 70 now, but it's a steady 70, which is better that I usually get over here.

Speaking of WSJV, I wonder what's up with them dropping to an SD feed with a DTV transition crawl as of late. Once the crawl is done they go right back to HD. I don't understand why they do this since they already transitioned to digital and have been showing the night light service since February. Could this be a sign that the night light service is going to end shortly?

Could this be a sign that the night light service is going to end shortly?June 12th is right around the corner...

I hope they stop with that crawl though it's really been bugging me since they switch to SD and the crawl is on there for quite some time.

I just thought I'd post this for my fellow DTV Pal DVR owners that the 206 update was waiting for me on my DVR when I got home. If you didn't get it, you may want to check for it. Just FYI! Just a fair warning though, once it was installed it wiped out all my settings back to factory defaults, but don't worry this doesn't affect your existing recordings.

I'm wondering if my situation adds up or not: I am attaching a tvfool map of my location, and it appears that all my basic stations are pretty closely clustered more or less south of me and that they're all about the same distance (circa 10 miles).

First, the map suggests there is no ABC here?

More important, my reception with my channel master 4221 (on the roof) is all over the place. I tried moving the antenna a bit. Same story. I just rescanned channels on my Dish DVR and got these results, and I enter notes and signal strength:

16.1 WNDU 100 signal strength
16.2 WNDU 100 signal strength
22.1 WSBT no picture, nor any signal strength reading, but the scan found it
22.2 WSBT same as 22.1; nothing
22.3 WSBT low 80s signal
25.1 WCWW 93 signal
28.1 WSJV signal varies from 75-90 in half a minute's time
34.1 WNIT 93
34.2 WNIT 91
46.2 WHT no signal
57.1 WBND low 60s
69.1 WMYS 73

Would a more directional antenna be called for?

Thanks!

David

Sorry, forgot attachment to above... This is the "all current stations" map, I think. Address is 14944 Bonanza Ct W, Granger, IN 46530

DT

I'm wondering if my situation adds up or not: I am attaching a tvfool map of my location, and it appears that all my basic stations are pretty closely clustered more or less south of me and that they're all about the same distance (circa 10 miles).

First, the map suggests there is no ABC here?

More important, my reception with my channel master 4221 (on the roof) is all over the place. I tried moving the antenna a bit. Same story. I just rescanned channels on my Dish DVR and got these results, and I enter notes and signal strength:

16.1 WNDU 100 signal strength
16.2 WNDU 100 signal strength
22.1 WSBT no picture, nor any signal strength reading, but the scan found it
22.2 WSBT same as 22.1; nothing
22.3 WSBT low 80s signal
25.1 WCWW 93 signal
28.1 WSJV signal varies from 75-90 in half a minute's time
34.1 WNIT 93
34.2 WNIT 91
46.2 WHT no signal
57.1 WBND low 60s
69.1 WMYS 73

Would a more directional antenna be called for?

Thanks!

David

I had the same problem until I got a compass and averaged out the which direction to aim my antenna. I'm thinking you should turn your antenna between 190-195 degree's. Once I did this with mine, I am now able to pick up every channel in the area. Before using TVFool and a compass, I'd just guess which way to turn and lose a channel or two in the process.

I should note I'm just taking a guess based on the image you posted from TVFool. Just try to find your lowest and highest degree's in direction and aim as much as you can for the middle of that.

Actually, for the WSBT problem, when I started to get the full signal for 22.3 but still nothing for 22.1 and 22.2, I called the station and a guy there gave the solution: I needed to delete the existing scanned 22.1 and 22.2 and rescan, because the station recently had to move the signal and some scanners fail to update appropriately until you erase the old channels. Now all the WSBT channels are full strength.

Also, see this article: http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/01/this_tv_cleared_in_60_of_us.php

"Quincy Newspaper stations in Madison, Wis., Cedar Rapids, Iowa, South Bend, Ind., and Wausau, Wis., also have signed on for THIS TV."

- Trip

Trip, sorry I missed when you posted that earlier.

So I guess that means that WSJV is planning to put THIS TV http://www.this.tv on a sub channel of 28. I guess they decided against RTN on 28.2 hmm.

THIS TV should be a good addition. The WCIU channel from Chicago that carries THIS is decent.

Trip, sorry I missed when you posted that earlier.

So I guess that means that WSJV is planning to put THIS TV http://www.this.tv on a sub channel of 28. I guess they decided against RTN on 28.2 hmm.

THIS TV should be a good addition. The WCIU channel from Chicago that carries THIS is decent.

WSJV is going to carry two sub channels. Either that or they'll be running to separate digital transmitters.. Either way I was told by the WSJV engineer that they will be carrying Retro Television network in addition to another channel that is yet to be determined.

I guess they decided against RTN on 28.2 hmm.

WKOW in Madison and KWWL in Waterloo, both co-owned with WSJV, carry RTN on 27-2 and 7-3, respectively, and This on 27-3 and 7-2, respectively. I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

- Trip

WSJV is going to carry two sub channels. Either that or they'll be running to separate digital transmitters.. Either way I was told by the WSJV engineer that they will be carrying Retro Television network in addition to another channel that is yet to be determined.

Two separate transmitters? Why? The sub-channels are part of a mux and do not require a separate transmitter for each.

What am I missing here?

I hope they do go with RTN. I've seen all of those services on FTA satellite and RTN is my personal fave. To each his/her own, though.

Two separate transmitters? Why? The sub-channels are part of a mux and do not require a separate transmitter for each.

What am I missing here?

I hope they do go with RTN. I've seen all of those services on FTA satellite and RTN is my personal fave. To each his/her own, though.

I'm just saying they could do two separate transmitters if they wanted to since they have 2 of them. They would have 2 legitimate reasons to use both transmitters. The 1st being Fox's strict guidelines to make sure every Fox HD channel looks the same across the US. WSJV might be able to get away with one sub channel, but to add anymore could cut into valuable bandwidth needed for their Fox broadcasts. Secondly the reason they may want to use their second transmitter is if they want to carry another HD channel. Granted all of the major networks are already HD in the area (with the exception of My Network) there's still some affiliates out there that are HD capable like ION will be after June 12. I admit I'm just speculating, but I'm thinking WSJV's owner might be considering another physical channel in the area. I almost forgot there is a 3rd point here.. WSJV owns two HD capable digital transmitters, so in short.. Because they can.

I'm just saying they could do two separate transmitters if they wanted to since they have 2 of them. They would have 2 legitimate reasons to use both transmitters. The 1st being Fox's strict guidelines to make sure every Fox HD channel looks the same across the US. WSJV might be able to get away with one sub channel, but to add anymore could cut into valuable bandwidth needed for their Fox broadcasts. Secondly the reason they may want to use their second transmitter is if they want to carry another HD channel. Granted all of the major networks are already HD in the area (with the exception of My Network) there's still some affiliates out there that are HD capable like ION will be after June 12. I admit I'm just speculating, but I'm thinking WSJV's owner might be considering another physical channel in the area. I almost forgot there is a 3rd point here.. WSJV owns two HD capable digital transmitters, so in short.. Because they can.

There are Fox stations out there running two subchannels. WOLF-DT runs CW and My in SD, and WRAZ-DT has RTN and This. And that's just off the top of my head.

No need to light up a second transmitter for that. The bigger problem is getting the license to do it. There are no filing windows open.

- Trip

There are Fox stations out there running two subchannels. WOLF-DT runs CW and My in SD, and WRAZ-DT has RTN and This. And that's just off the top of my head.

No need to light up a second transmitter for that. The bigger problem is getting the license to do it. There are no filing windows open.

- Trip

You are probably right about this.. I'm just saying if they wanted to run another HD channel for whatever reason, they would need to use the other transmitter. However as stated before in this thread, they will likely use that for backup.

The bigger problem is getting the license to do it. There are no filing windows open.

Exactly. But it is comforting to know that there's an aux transmitter at the ready in the event of a failure.

FOX 28 announced on the morning news this morning that they're doing off the air this afternoon from 1:30 to 3:30 for some sort of "digital upgrade".

I'm not sure what they're up to, but it seems kind of odd that they're doing this during the day. I doubt it's tower work with the weather being kinds crappy today. I'd love to come home this afternoon and find that I'm getting more signal from them. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

FOX 28 announced on the morning news this morning that they're doing off the air this afternoon from 1:30 to 3:30 for some sort of "digital upgrade".

I'm not sure what they're up to, but it seems kind of odd that they're doing this during the day. I doubt it's tower work with the weather being kinds crappy today. I'd love to come home this afternoon and find that I'm getting more signal from them. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Just in case anyone wants to hear it straight from them.

http://www.fox28.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=3654843&at1=News&h1=Wednesday's

The news about this outage is about 1 minute and 15 seconds into the clip.

So can anyone tell what kind of work was done? Signal seems a little better this morning, but the weather cleared and that usually makes a difference for me. Just wondering.

Is there anyone with a Directv HR21, HR22 or HR23 and the 5 LNB dish?
We're being upgraded in a week to, I'm hoping, an HR22 or HR23 and the 5 LNB dish. Right now we have the HR10-250 and a D10 with the 3 LNB dish.
I'd like to know what signal levels I can expect.
If possible, I'd like a couple of transponder signal levels from the 99, 101 and 103 satellites. I'd also like a signal level from transponder 25 of the 119 satellite.
Thanks.

Hopefully it's not just a psychological effect from knowing that WSJV was doing a upgrade of sorts.. But I got to say, I watched the results show for American Idol last night and it just looked stunning! I mean it looked clean before, but I noticed the detail looked cleaner and details popped out even more. I also noticed in the past when they show the American Idol logo in motion it did look a bit blocky. After the upgrade you could see the blockieness if you are looking for it, but otherwise that wasn't as apparent anymore. Whatever they did, it's visually noticeable as far as I can tell.. That was definitely a change for the better. :)

I don't know, but I was unable to get WSJV last nght. I don't think there's been any increase in power just yet. June 12 just can't get here soon enough. I just pray that they don't push the date back again.

WSJV is still analog on 28 and digital on 58 ... you won't see a power increase until they ALSO move digital to 28. June 12th.

I should have been born with patience instead of good looks. ;)

Hello to everyone,

Might as well say this is my first post here, tried elsewhere here on AVS with no replies, might have better luck here in the local thread, been lurking, reading and learning and trying to figure out some options for the upcoming transition. Need to upgrade the antennas anyway, TVfool current/post trans. result png., Included. I'm located approx. 28 miles west of SouthBend/ Elkhart over in LaPorte. There are 2 clusters of channels I'd like to get, the ones @ 91deg. magn., SouthBend/ Elkhart., and @ 297deg. magn., Chicago.

Brief current setup;
Ant. UHF only, looks like a CM4221 with the wire mesh reflector all but rusted away, pointed approx. @ 91deg. [magn.] SouthBend/Elkhart,17ft. AGL.
Ant. A RS VU-90XR combo with 1 broken vhf element pointed approx. @ 297deg.[magn.]Chicago, 20ft AGL. Rooftop mounted, 6ft. of coax from each antenna to a splitter/combiner, 50ft.coax from splitter/combiner into the house, generic12db pre-amp, split to 2 tvs.

SouthBend/ Elkhart channels that I get, strong stations are WNDU, WSBT, WCWW. Moderate are WNIT, WHME. Fair are WSJV. Analog only are WMYS, WBND. I do get some drop-outs do to multipaths from the Maple/Oak trees that are in my area.

Chicago area channels I get are, VHF hi/low 2-11, with very slight snow. UHF are WFLD,WCIU, with slight to moderate snow depending on weather conditions. No digital what so ever from VHF/UHF.

I wouldn't be concerned with any VHF hi/low if I could get a good lock on WBND, the wife likes to watch Lost.
I'm thinking along these lines, but I might be way off. What I gathered is a more directional antenna may help with some of the mutipaths.
For the SouthBend/Elkhart area would the RS U-75R work, not sure of which pre-amp if needed at all. Or could I recycle the UHF portion of the RS VU-90XR as it is similar to the U-75R?
For the Chicago area I was thinking along the lines of a AntennaCraft MXU 59 or a Winegard HD 9095 or similar, again not sure of which pre-amp to use.

So anyway being a Newbie to all this I hope I provided enough info, I would really appreciate your opinions/recommendations and how to properly connect all this.
Thanks,
Robert

What on Earth is that WAAA-LP? I've never even heard of it, but it's on channel 49 same as WBND-LD. That could be your ABC problem.

Does anyone more local have any ideas on that?

- Trip

Trip,
I kind of see what you mean, co-channels with one trying to cancel the other? If thats the case I wouldn't think it would be a issue being I don't get a signal from WAAA-LP, plus it's closer. Even tried a antenna pointed at WAAA-LP, no siganal what so ever.
Robert

What on Earth is that WAAA-LP? I've never even heard of it, but it's on channel 49 same as WBND-LD. That could be your ABC problem.WAAA is on a tower south of it's home city of Chesterton, Indiana. Last I knew they were still analog ... no filing for digital (the owner missed the windows for flash cut and companion channels).

There are a couple of other LDs on a tower on the same property. WHVI and WHCH. Both are owned by LeSea out of South Bend.

Is there any evidence that WAAA-LP is on the air? If it is, this could explain the noted reception problem.

- Trip

Does LeSea still own WHCH-LD? Here in the La Porte/ Michigan City area I can get channel 40.1 very clear. About a month ago it went off for a few weeks and came back as some 24/7 Shopping Channel. Its a total waste of a signal that could be serving NW Indiana much better if you ask me. But I did not know that LeSea would run a channel like that.

Then again look at all the shopping crap on religious channels like WJYS etc.

Brief current setup;
Ant. UHF only, looks like a CM4221 with the wire mesh reflector all but rusted away, pointed approx. @ 91deg. [magn.] SouthBend/Elkhart,17ft. AGL.
Ant. A RS VU-90XR combo with 1 broken vhf element pointed approx. @ 297deg.[magn.]Chicago, 20ft AGL. Rooftop mounted, 6ft. of coax from each antenna to a splitter/combiner, 50ft.coax from splitter/combiner into the house, generic12db pre-amp, split to 2 tvs.



I don't believe that connecting 2 antennas together with a combiner is a good idea. Maybe you should connect one at a time and see what results you get. The best setup would be a rotor or a A/B switch inside to switch between antennas.

Does LeSea still own WHCH-LD?According to the FCC they do. I'm surprised it isn't rebroadcasting LeSea's WHME or the national feed (World Harvest TV). Perhaps they are and you're just catching the infomercial hours?

I don't believe that connecting 2 antennas together with a combiner is a good idea. Maybe you should connect one at a time and see what results you get. The best setup would be a rotor or a A/B switch inside to switch between antennas.

I've pretty much ran through the trouble-shooting gauntlet, new baluns, coax, cleaned the balun mounting points, tried each antenna separately with straight coax runs, by-passing splitters, pre-amp, etc. Little or no difference with the results. At least I know the generic pre-amp does work.

Did a little field research, hopped on my bicycle with binoculars in hand, just to see what was being used in my area, got some pretty funny looks. A lot of stuff looked 30+ yr. old, did spot some that looked to be recent upgrades. They are using what looks to be, fringe to deep fringe style antennas for Chicago and various brands of UHF Yagi's and 8 bay bowtie's for SouthBend.

I feel I've hit that brick wall with my current setup and would like to start from scratch. I would use a local installer but man they are $$$$$$, that's like paying for cable all over again, havn't done that in over 10 years. Thanks to those who have replied so far, would still like to see some reconmmendations for a complete new setup.
Robert

I know weather alerts are a matter of public safety, but it's really annoying when WSJV has to pop out of HD to put them up over the FOX network programming. I wish they could super those right over the HD broadcast. They'd be slightly less annoying that way.

I know weather alerts are a matter of public safety, but it's really annoying when WSJV has to pop out of HD to put them up over the FOX network programming. I wish they could super those right over the HD broadcast. They'd be slightly less annoying that way.

I agree,they did it yesterday during the Cubs game, it was very annoying to say the least.

I agree,they did it yesterday during the Cubs game, it was very annoying to say the least.

Tell me about it! I was so annoyed every time it would happen during Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.. Especially when it happened during the season finale... Then to add insult to injury it was even weather alerts, just annoying FCC notices that they discontinued their analog broadcast. That sure puts WTF in.. Well you know.. WTF!

Tell me about it! I was so annoyed every time it would happen during Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.. Especially when it happened during the season finale... Then to add insult to injury it was even weather alerts, just annoying FCC notices that they discontinued their analog broadcast. That sure puts WTF in.. Well you know.. WTF!

Yeah. I emailed them telling them there is absolutely no point to those messages, and they told me they are mandated by the FCC. I told them I hadn't seen that message on any other channel, and they thought that was interesting. Hopefully they will figure out that they don't need to display that message.

They are mandated by the FCC. Every station has to file quarterly to inform the FCC when they're airing them.

- Trip

They are mandated by the FCC. Every station has to file quarterly to inform the FCC when they're airing them.

- Trip

Then why have I only seen them on Fox 28? These messages should only show for channels that haven't made the switch yet.

Then why have I only seen them on Fox 28? These messages should only show for channels that haven't made the switch yet.

Now that I think about it, you might be right. It might just be stations which still have an analog up. I don't remember for certain now.

- Trip

Yeah. I emailed them telling them there is absolutely no point to those messages, and they told me they are mandated by the FCC. I told them I hadn't seen that message on any other channel, and they thought that was interesting. Hopefully they will figure out that they don't need to display that message.

Actually I've seen channel 16 do it, but not the same way.. Instead of doing a crawl they treat that message more like a commercial PSA during the commercials which is exactly where it should be. I think 22 did something similar but not for sure, but I know 16 did it that way. That's the least disruptive way to go about fulfilling the FCC's mandate.

Then why have I only seen them on Fox 28? These messages should only show for channels that haven't made the switch yet.

They're mandated by the FCC. I've noticed them more on 28 than the other stations, but that's because I watch that one one more than the rest. I've read their compliance reports online too.

I'm not saying it's not annoying, but it's like not paying your taxes. Try and cheat the feds out of what they say you owe them and you'll end up on the losing end. The same applies here. Soon the crawls and PSAs will be a thing of the past and we can all go about our normal lives again.

here's a question:

Why do all of the cubs/sox/bulls games on 69.1 say they are HD, when they are clearly not...and, if they are being filmed in HD (which they are), and broadcast on an HD capable channel (is it?), why aren't they better quality?

here's a question:

Why do all of the cubs/sox/bulls games on 69.1 say they are HD, when they are clearly not...and, if they are being filmed in HD (which they are), and broadcast on an HD capable channel (is it?), why aren't they better quality?

I've noticed the same thing on WNDU 16.1 which actually is an HD broadcast channel. One of the entertainment mag shows show in big letters HD yet they show it in a standard 4:3 format.. That drives me crazy.. If you are an actual HD channel, why don't you show the HD version of that show in widescreen and in HD? As for 69.1, that is a standard def 4:3 channel no matter what they show on it. I think it's just a similar situation though, the content they are broadcasting is an HD source, but cropped to 4:3 for standard def markets.

here's a question:

Why do all of the cubs/sox/bulls games on 69.1 say they are HD, when they are clearly not...and, if they are being filmed in HD (which they are), and broadcast on an HD capable channel (is it?), why aren't they better quality?

We don't have enough bandwidth on our path to South Bend provide WYMS in HD. The promo's are all cut at once and not by us. Not suprised the HD is still there.

I've noticed the same thing on WNDU 16.1 which actually is an HD broadcast channel. One of the entertainment mag shows show in big letters HD yet they show it in a standard 4:3 format.. That drives me crazy.. If you are an actual HD channel, why don't you show the HD version of that show in widescreen and in HD? As for 69.1, that is a standard def 4:3 channel no matter what they show on it. I think it's just a similar situation though, the content they are broadcasting is an HD source, but cropped to 4:3 for standard def markets.

Not an easy thing to turn around HD programming. You need to be able receive it, record it, and play it in HD. That costs money!!!

Not an easy thing to turn around HD programming. You need to be able receive it, record it, and play it in HD. That costs money!!!

This kind of surprises me in this day and age since you can now get online with an Xbox 360 and stream HD content over the internet. I'm just a bit surprised that a program vendor can't just offer their shows in HD to a broadcaster over the internet. Granted I know that's not the same as streaming Netflix in HD, but couldn't a broadcaster just download the HD version of a show then air it? Granted I don't know the specifics of how a broadcaster gets it's programing these days. I'm just thinking that scenario would be a pretty cheap way of dealing with syndicated program content.

I tried searching this thread for TVGOS andgot a kind of confusing jumble of posts. Is this service functioning in our area, so that the Dish DTV thing works well?

Thanks,

David

I tried searching this thread for TVGOS andgot a kind of confusing jumble of posts. Is this service functioning in our area, so that the Dish DTV thing works well?

Thanks,

David

I wrote WSBT myself about digital TVGOS. I was pretty much told then that they don't plan on installing it at this time. I don't know if that means that they don't ever plan on installing it which stinks. They insist that they can't spare the bandwidth for TVGOS right now. With that said, digital TVGOS is not available in the South Bend area yet.

Thanks.

So each station needs to install or subscribe to this? I have no idea how it all works...

David

Thanks.

So each station needs to install or subscribe to this? I have no idea how it all works...

David

As far as I know only CBS affiliates carry digital TVGOS which means it's up to WSBT to carry it in the South Bend area. However they say they can't spare the bandwidth to do it which really honks me off to be honest. I think we should get in touch with Macrovision and make a case with them and see if we can persuade them to work with another local affiliate other than WSBT to get digital TVGOS going in our area. I have lost faith that WSBT will do anything to get this service working in our area.

This kind of surprises me in this day and age since you can now get online with an Xbox 360 and stream HD content over the internet. I'm just a bit surprised that a program vendor can't just offer their shows in HD to a broadcaster over the internet. Granted I know that's not the same as streaming Netflix in HD, but couldn't a broadcaster just download the HD version of a show then air it? Granted I don't know the specifics of how a broadcaster gets it's programing these days. I'm just thinking that scenario would be a pretty cheap way of dealing with syndicated program content.

Thats how the majority of our SD content gets delivered. Both commercials and shows are litterally transfered to their propriatary server and then we "flip" them over for air. The HD stuff is still in the works. Right now its just the old record from satellite. We do have HD commercial delivery but shows are a different animal.

As far as I know only CBS affiliates carry digital TVGOS

Incorrect. If the local CBS station turns it down, Macrovision then goes to the local PBS station. If the PBS station turns it down, then they start asking around.

TVGOS is on one Fox (Tallahassee) and one CW (San Diego) to my knowledge, plus a good number of PBS stations (including WFYI in Indianapolis and WFWA in Fort Wayne).

- Trip

Incorrect. If the local CBS station turns it down, Macrovision then goes to the local PBS station. If the PBS station turns it down, then they start asking around.

TVGOS is on one Fox (Tallahassee) and one CW (San Diego) to my knowledge, plus a good number of PBS stations (including WFYI in Indianapolis and WFWA in Fort Wayne).

- Trip

So should I direct my complaint to WSBT, or Macrovision? LOL Seriously though it's not right for WSBT to be holding on to the equipment for TVGOS if they aren't going to use it. The way they make it out is it's a catch 22 situation.. It's like they may do it if they can somehow spare the bandwidth that they aren't willing to give up. I just don't feel that is a fair situation at all and I think they should release the equipment to another local station.

I'd complain to Macrovision. They are the ones with the power to sign with WNIT or someone else in the market.

- Trip

Maybe I'm just a bit slow, but I just now noticed that WSJV 28 is no longer broadcasting it's analog channel.. I'll have to hop on channel 25 and see if the CW Network shows had cleared up as a result.

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I just caught about the last 5 minutes of Jericho and watched about a half hour of the movie BeCool which are both CW Network programs. Didn't see any flashes. :) (knock on wood.)

I'd complain to Macrovision. They are the ones with the power to sign with WNIT or someone else in the market.

- Trip

I just wrote Macrovision at Ce_customer_support@tvguide.com and complained nicely. :)

Here's what I wrote them..

I am writing in regards to to the lack of digital TVGos in the South Bend Indiana area. I understand that WSBT 22 (CBS affiliate) would be the local channel in my area that would handle digital TVGos. However I emailed them and they responded back telling me although they have the equipment they do not plan to install it at this time due to not being able to free up any bandwidth. Currently they are running 1 HD and 2 sub channels. If WSBT 22 can't free up the bandwidth, couldn't Macrovision persuade another local channel in my area to carry the digital TVGos service? Thanks in advance for your reply.

Then to add insult to injury it was even weather alerts, just annoying FCC notices that they discontinued their analog broadcast. That sure puts WTF in.. Well you know.. WTF!One point to note, WSJV is not operating their final digital facilities. WNDU, WSBT, WNIT and WHME are operating their final facilities (and have completely terminated analog). WSJV will be moving from their temporary 58 to 28 in June.

Since WSJV dropped analog can't they just go ahead and switch to 28 digital now? What would stop them?

I'm sure there will be some sort of viewer education campaign leading up to the changeover date. Once they switch, people will have to do a re-scan to get the channel back. I don't suppose they want to move forward too hastily and leave people in the dark.

I wish they could just make the switch today, but I can certainly why they're not going that route.

I did watch last week's Smallville and noticed it was better since WSJV 28 analog went off the air, but there still was an occasional flash.. I don't recall hearing any audio drop outs, but the flashes were still there.. They weren't white flashes as they were in the past. To me it just looked more like a glitch of sorts.. I don't know how to explain it.. The best I could describe it is it looked like a frame of video was either missing, or in a place it where it wasn't supposed to be.. I know that probably doesn't make much sense, but that's the best I can describe what the flashes looked like.. They didn't appear as a white scrambled mess as they were in the past.

Did anyone have problems watching the Lost Season Finale? OTA on TV and on a PVR, the sync between the audio and video was off.

I am watching this weeks Smallville now but noticed the screen flashed again about 10 minutes in as Clark was speaking to Lois. In this scene Lois is picking up a paper coffee cup which is upside down. This time I was able to advance frame by frame, and what I saw was a single frame pushed off to the the right. This frame has a line down the left edge and it appears whatever was supposed to be to the right of the next frame is now on the left side of this frame.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3363/3539881227_a286c6aab5.jpg?v=0

Not much more than a few minutes later it happened again. This time you see Lois's hair to the left side of the frame.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3414/3539934811_b9fa431c1c.jpg?v=0

Yet one more.. There will probably be more through out the episode, but these few pics should give you a good idea of what's been happening on 25's CW network feed.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3539983699_e27101410c.jpg?v=0

I was watching the national news this morning and the audio is delayed by almost a second or two on 57.1 OTA. It happened during the news and during a local promo. Is anyone else having problems?

I was watching the national news this morning and the audio is delayed by almost a second or two on 57.1 OTA. It happened during the news and during a local promo. Is anyone else having problems?

We've gotten some reports relating to this. Everytime I check it appears to be ok. Are you strictly seeing this on ABC network programming/national commercials or does it include local South Bend commercials spots?

I am watching this weeks Smallville now but noticed the screen flashed again about 10 minutes in as Clark was speaking to Lois. In this scene Lois is picking up a paper coffee cup which is upside down. This time I was able to advance frame by frame, and what I saw was a single frame pushed off to the the right. This frame has a line down the left edge and it appears whatever was supposed to be to the right of the next frame is now on the left side of this frame.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3363/3539881227_a286c6aab5.jpg?v=0

Not much more than a few minutes later it happened again. This time you see Lois's hair to the left side of the frame.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3414/3539934811_b9fa431c1c.jpg?v=0

Yet one more.. There will probably be more through out the episode, but these few pics should give you a good idea of what's been happening on 25's CW network feed.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3539983699_e27101410c.jpg?v=0

Awesome screen caps! What is the duration of the "split screen"? I can't see it here on our DVR but its only recording 4f/second for storage sake.

Awesome screen caps! What is the duration of the "split screen"? I can't see it here on our DVR but its only recording 4f/second for storage sake.

As far as I can tell a single frame.. If I step forward or back the split go's away.. When watching it straight you see a disjointed flash as you would imagine.

Are you strictly seeing this on ABC network programming/national commercials or does it include local South Bend commercials spots?

This morning during the national news, a local South Bend commercial was also out of sync.

The audio is crap on WNDU tonight. The center channel is OK, but left and right sounds like a transistor radio. It started with the national news and still bad during Medium.

This morning during the national news, a local South Bend commercial was also out of sync.

Let me know what you think now. Made a change here.

I just wrote Macrovision at Ce_customer_support@tvguide.com and complained nicely. :)

Here's what I wrote them..

I am writing in regards to to the lack of digital TVGos in the South Bend Indiana area. I understand that WSBT 22 (CBS affiliate) would be the local channel in my area that would handle digital TVGos. However I emailed them and they responded back telling me although they have the equipment they do not plan to install it at this time due to not being able to free up any bandwidth. Currently they are running 1 HD and 2 sub channels. If WSBT 22 can't free up the bandwidth, couldn't Macrovision persuade another local channel in my area to carry the digital TVGos service? Thanks in advance for your reply.

I'm guessing "no", but have you received any response yet. It's really frustrating that South Bend has no TVGOS service for the size of our market.

I just visited my parents in rural NW Ohio, and they received 36 OTA digital stations (plus TVGOS)! From the Fort Wayne market, Toledo, Lima, OH, and Detroit...all with a basic antenna. Most of the FW stations had 3-4 sub channels.

I know we've probably discussed the reasons before, but it's a little frustrating that SB only has 1 station with even 3...

I'm guessing "no", but have you received any response yet. It's really frustrating that South Bend has no TVGOS service for the size of our market.

I just visited my parents in rural NW Ohio, and they received 36 OTA digital stations (plus TVGOS)! From the Fort Wayne market, Toledo, Lima, OH, and Detroit...all with a basic antenna. Most of the FW stations had 3-4 sub channels.

I know we've probably discussed the reasons before, but it's a little frustrating that SB only has 1 station with even 3...

Sorry I did get a reply, but I wasn't going to post back until I had something to post. The problem is they did reply that they'd look into it and simply asked for my zip code.. I replied with my zip a few weeks back and hadn't heard from them since. It may help if you guys also email Macrovision with the same inquiry I made about TVGos in our area. If WSBT is just going to sit on Macrovision's equipment and never use it, I think we need to stay on Macrovision to either put the screws to WSBT or at least get them to move onto another local station to carry TVGos in our area.

I got a real strong signal on WMYS!

I got a real strong signal on WMYS!

Yep. We're back to 100% power.

is wsjv-dt at full post transitional power?? I've been having trouble lately here in n.e.Whitley County,perhaps the spring folage??

is wsjv-dt at full post transitional power?? I've been having trouble lately here in n.e.Whitley County,perhaps the spring folage??

I suspect not since they're still on DT-58. Reception here in Steuben County is a little hit and miss too, these days.

Yep. We're back to 100% power.

Yes, for the first time in months I get 69.1 ... welcome back.

Waiting for wsjv move ... currently unwatchable from multipath.

Hope wndu has a studio HD upgrade in their future ... love the personalities, hate the SD feed.

Yep. We're back to 100% power.

That explains a lot. I thought my splitter had somehow went bad. I'm sure glad to get a solid signal on 69 again. Now I can enjoy Gilligan's Island and those late night Star Trek episodes on the weekends again. :)

Is anyone else experiencing no speech on the "Earth 2100" show on WBND-LD? Music and sound effects, but no talking, plus it's not HD and there's no Close-Caption, either.

Is anyone else experiencing no speech on the "Earth 2100" show on WBND-DT? Music and sound effects, but no talking, plus it's not HD and there's no Close-Caption, either.

ABC has a new distribution system online today. A little buggy tonight. Working out the audio bugs. Running on a backup airchain (no captions) while we work out the bugs on the main.

How is Comcast's HD cable service in South Bend when compared with other offerings?
(picture quality, dvr, etc)

Hi, All,

I have had a Dish setup for a few years, supplemented with OTA antenna for HD locals. Now that I'm thinking of scaling back on my Dish channel package, to save some dough, I started looking into other providers, too. I take it that the options here beyond OTA are Dish, DirecTV, and Comcast. Gosh it's bewildering, all the packages and bundling opportunities with internet and phone. I'm not exactly dissatisfied with Dish, but I will consider some different arrangements (currently I have ATT for phone and internet, in addition to Dish for TV).

Does anyone know a most efficient way to compare the options for our area? And is there anyone who has arranged some promotional rate from Dish as an incentive to stay put?

Best,

David

Does anyone know if WNDU is on their new antenna and raised power to 800 KW?

Does anyone know if WNDU is on their new antenna and raised power to 800 KW?

Great question. I was wondering the same thing a few days ago. A friend of mine in Kokomo watches this station quite often, but a little more height/power would improve the signal at around 81 miles.

George (at WNDU) will know. Thanks.

Steve

ABC has a new distribution system online today. A little buggy tonight. Working out the audio bugs. Running on a backup airchain (no captions) while we work out the bugs on the main.

Will this eventually result in a more powerful signal transmission? Right now WBND is the most difficult station for me to tune in to.

WBND-LD is already at the maximum allowed power for their license class. It is a low-powered digital signal.

- Trip

Don't forget to rescan today. :)

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Yep. Channel 28 is now on Channel 28. :D

Signal strength 95-96 on my ViP-622 DVR (DISH Network OTA).

Yep. Channel 28 is now on Channel 28. :D

Signal strength 95-96 on my ViP-622 DVR (DISH Network OTA).

28 appears to be one of the strongest signals for me now at 93-95.

BTW: It looks like Fox28 changed frequencies at 10am.
DISH is airing the right content on 028-00 (via satellite).

28 appears to be one of the strongest signals for me now at 93-95.

Where are you located?

Where are you located?

I'm in Elkhart off the corner of Mishawaka road and Nappanee street.

Hi All,

Found this forum and thought you might be able to help... I'm in North Judson and we get the S. Bend stations. Channels 16, 22, 28, 46 are all strong in the digital signal. ABC (57) however is non-existent. I have DISH and can get 57, but it isn't in the widescreen format. Only 16 is in the widescreen format on DISH.

I was hoping after June 12th I would be able to get 57, but as of this morning...no go. However, as I rescanned the channels, my TV did pick up 57, but it looks like an analog signal. It is on 57 (not 57-1) and is very snowy. It is in widescreen though. (I also tried getting 49, but no go)

I just have a 'rabbit ear' type of antenna, but it is able pick up 16, 22, 28 with a 80-90+ signal. Any ideas what I can do to pick up 57?

Thanks! - DAve.

Opps.... also, when I scan for channels, I'm still getting a few analog....weren't those suppose to go away yesterday?

Opps.... also, when I scan for channels, I'm still getting a few analog....weren't those suppose to go away yesterday?

That depends. 25, 57, and 69 are all off of the same tower and each one still has an analog counterpart. All 3 are low power stations which the FCC does not require these type of stations to shut down their analog. I think an outdoor antenna may help you, but no promises there. You could check tvfool.com to see if an outdoor antenna might benefit you.

28 appears to be one of the strongest signals for me now at 93-95.

WSJV-DT 28 definitely seems to be sending more signal to the south. My Zenith DTT900 decoded the station (@ 116 miles) for a few seconds at 8:52 this morning. This was helped by a little tropo enhancement in the area. All the time the station was on ch. 58, even recently with a little more power, I could only receive it when tropo enhancement was very strong/intense. My antenna is 43 ft. AGL.

Steve
Indy

I think an outdoor antenna may help you, but no promises there. You could check tvfool.com to see if an outdoor antenna might benefit you.

Thanks for the link. It is quite helpful. I've been very frustrated with a lack of ABC over the air. Not sure why a major network would be broadcasting at low power. Oh well....

Hello everyone,

Has WHME flash-cut to 46?

Hello everyone,

Has WHME flash-cut to 46?

WHME is staying on 48.

WHME has permission to flash-cut back to 46, but I doubt LeSEA has had time to get everything lined up to build it out. They have three stations they changed channels on during this latest window and none have moved yet.

- Trip

Does anyone know if WCWW-DT (27) has any plans to increase power beyond 15 kW? I used to get that one pretty well before 6-12 but I suspect that with WSJV-DT (28) at full power next door, I might be out of luck now here in Angola.

Does anyone know if WCWW has any plans to increase power beyond 15 kW? I used to get that one pretty well before 6-12 but I suspect that with WSJV-DT at full power next door, I might be out of luck now here in Angola.

No. 15 kW is the federal power limit for low-powered digital stations.

- Trip

Well then, I guess if I had to lose a station from South Bend, that's the one I can live without. I did like those late at night South Park episodes though. Oh well, that's life.

No. 15 kW is the federal power limit for low-powered digital stations.

- Trip

And to make it worse according to the Chicago OTA thread, WCIU on 27 wants to increase their power. I think it is a bad idea to have 27 in Chicago and another 27 in South Bend. I am sure WCIU is directional but for those of us in the region between Chicago and South Bend two channel 27s has already been a problem. Now that WCIU's analog on 26 if off the air is it possible for WCWW-LD to use channel 26 or would analog 25 create problems for a digital channel on 26 also?

Well, that's pretty close quarters for two stations on the same channel. I'm surprised they allow that. Hopefully there's a change made. I'm surprised at what a cluttered mess the dial seems to be. You'd think that wouldn't be the case after the transition.

28 appears to be one of the strongest signals for me now at 93-95.

Yes, agreed. No more multipath for me .. 28 has rock solid signal around 86-90 north east Elkhart.

Just a footnote on WCWW. I used to get it (albeit hit and miss) before 6-12, so I suspect its an adjacent that's stoping me from getting it now.

And I agree with the poster about WBND. It seems silly for a major network to be on an LP in South Bend. The market seems too big for that.

Anyone on this forum work for Comcast. I would like to know when
Comcast will start analog migration (project Cavalry) in the South Bend
area. Thanks.

WHME has permission to flash-cut back to 46, but I doubt LeSEA has had time to get everything lined up to build it out. They have three stations they changed channels on during this latest window and none have moved yet.
I see the application for the rulemaking for 46 but don't see the approval. :confused:

I'm a little late on this and a tad bit off subject but I think I'll post this anyway. Walmart had a Magnavox Blu-Ray player (NB500MGX A) priced at $128 this past weekend. I'm not sure if that's a sale price or the actual price, but I wound up picking one up and I love it! Sure it doesn't have any fancy features like BD Live but personally I think BD Live is a little over rated anyway. If you were a hold out for Blu-Ray because of the price, I think this is at a low enough price that us hold outs can finally sink our teeth into.

And I agree with the poster about WBND. It seems silly for a major network to be on an LP in South Bend. The market seems too big for that.
Perhaps that will change with digital only TV ... perhaps someone will get a new full power channel assigned to South Bend or Elkhart for the ABC. I wouldn't hold my breath.

ABC is on a LP because they lost their affiliate decades ago to Fox. TV 28 was the ABC affiliate until Fox came to town ... and left the ABC network with no full power options. low power is better than no power ...

On the dualing 27's (WCIU 26 vs WCWW 26) both stations agreed to accept the interference from each other. Perhaps now that analog has left the building a channel shift will be possible. As noted here (and previously in the thread) there are full power channels available post-analog. One of them could be used for WCWW 26.

I see the application for the rulemaking for 46 but don't see the approval. :confused:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-1099A1.pdf

- Trip

Perhaps now that analog has left the building a channel shift will be possible. As noted here (and previously in the thread) there are full power channels available post-analog. One of them could be used for WCWW 26.

That would be a welcomed change. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. My only fear is that it will be a long wait.

The big delay at the moment would be ownership. The three South Bend LP stations and their companion digital channels were sold to WSBT (for an appropriate $22 million dollars) last August. The FCC approved the transfer of ABC 57 last September but has not yet approved the transfer of WB 25 or My 69. The limbo continues.

The current owners could still file for a channel change but there is expense involved. The antenna is specific to a channel and would need to be replaced for best results. Any changes would be up to WSBT and their desires.

Is anyone else having problems with program guide listings on their DTV Pal or DTV Pal DVR? 28, 34.1, and 34.2 all are showing no listings. However my TV's guide is showing no listings for 28, but is showing listings for both of WNIT's channels. I tried rescanning, deleting and re-adding.. Even rebooting the DVR to no avail. The funny thing is in the past I've noticed whenever 28's listings go's out, so does 34's.. Isn't that weird? I'm puzzled as to why my TV is still showing listings for 34 and my DVR isn't..

I noticed that 28-1 seems to have lost PSIP data, too. I see no time and no EPG data. Also, my TR-40 showed WSJV broadcasting as 70-1, but I don't think I've used it since 6/12 and I needed to re-scan. What's weird is the TR-40 shows nothing for 34-1 and -2 information, but my Toshiba does.

I noticed that 28-1 seems to have lost PSIP data, too. I see no time and no EPG data. Also, my TR-40 showed WSJV broadcasting as 70-1, but I don't think I've used it since 6/12 and I needed to re-scan. What's weird is the TR-40 shows nothing for 34-1 and -2 information, but my Toshiba does.

After the rescan did the data come back for any of these channels, or are they still not showing guide data on the TR-40?

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I contacted my brother and he confirmed that he's not getting any guide data on his TR-40 on these channels either.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-1099A1.pdf

- Trip

Thanks, all. They have time to do it. We'll see how soon it gets done.

After the rescan did the data come back for any of these channels, or are they still not showing guide data on the TR-40?No, this was after the re-scan. WSJV & WNIT still show "No Information Available" in the TR-40's Program Guide. The temporary antenna I have connected to my TR-40 causes it to break up quite a bit, though, so that may contribute to the problem.

I see the guide data for WNIT 34 has finally returned on my DTV Pal DVR. However WSJV 28's guide data is still AWOL on both my tv and DVR.

Just wondering if anyone has heard any more news regarding WSJV and their subchannels. I just didn't know if any one heard when they were going to add them or anything like that; just thought I'd ask.

I see the guide data for WNIT 34 has finally returned on my DTV Pal DVR. However WSJV 28's guide data is still AWOL on both my tv and DVR.

Well, the guide data seems to be back this morning for WSJV 28, at least when I tuned in.

I didn't suffer any loss of guide data from WSJV. Maybe I get that from DISH.

Well, the guide data seems to be back this morning for WSJV 28, at least when I tuned in.

I just got back from my vacation and found the guide data for 34 has gone away again.. But I did get 28's guide data back. I'm starting to wonder if any of the local channels will ever get their guide's stabilized...

I'm starting to wonder if any of the local channels will ever get their guide's stabilized...Maybe when they all have the right time and DST/TZ flags set right. The Weigel stations are still two minutes fast, and WNIT is about 1 minute fast. "Does anybody really know what time it is? / Does anybody care?"

Maybe when they all have the right time and DST/TZ flags set right. The Weigel stations are still two minutes fast, and WNIT is about 1 minute fast. "Does anybody really know what time it is? / Does anybody care?"

I keep trying to set our time, but my sundial only works during the day. :D

Maybe when they all have the right time and DST/TZ flags set right. The Weigel stations are still two minutes fast, and WNIT is about 1 minute fast. "Does anybody really know what time it is? / Does anybody care?"

BTW the birds keep telling me its morning right now.

Does anyone have a Blu Ray Player and are using the subtitles? I have a Samsung BD-P1600 and am having problems with the subtitles. I have a hearing problem and need them.

Does anyone have a Blu Ray Player and are using the subtitles? I have a Samsung BD-P1600 and am having problems with the subtitles. I have a hearing problem and need them.

Exactly what problems are you having with your subtitles? You should be able to go into the setup menu and set them there.

I can set the subtitles at the beginning of the movie, but about an hour or so into the movie, the video will freeze for 3 or 4 seconds, start playing again, but the subtitles have disappeared. I then have to go into the menu again and reset the subtitles.
I've been told this is the DVR Layer Change. The laser beam comes to the end of the first layer of data, then starts reading the second layer. But for some reason, it drops the subtitles.
It happened with 2 Samsung BD-P1600 players. I've just returned the second one, and am going to try a Panasonic DMP-BD80.

I can set the subtitles at the beginning of the movie, but about an hour or so into the movie, the video will freeze for 3 or 4 seconds, start playing again, but the subtitles have disappeared. I then have to go into the menu again and reset the subtitles.
I've been told this is the DVR Layer Change. The laser beam comes to the end of the first layer of data, then starts reading the second layer. But for some reason, it drops the subtitles.
It happened with 2 Samsung BD-P1600 players. I've just returned the second one, and am going to try a Panasonic DMP-BD80.

This sounds like it could be in your Blu-ray player's software. Have you tried upgrading it's software to the current firmware? A newer firmware could potentially fix your subtitle problems.

I have good news and bad news regarding TVGos in the South Bend area.. The good news is I got a response.. Now here's the bad news...

"Due to the digital transition, there are no analog hosts in this area passing our data. Our engineers are working on finding a local broadcast station to host our digital equipment to pass our data. There is no ETA to when data will be passing. Please check back with in 90 days. Sorry for the inconvenience.

CE Tech Support"

Nice to know ol' Macrovision is pulling for us huh? Thanks for nothing Macrovision!

Here's the APP...

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=777016&formid=301&q_num=5460

I was at a friends house this weekend that gets locals through Dish (no antenna) for the SB market. It didn't look like he got any of them in HD; so, what is the status of HD locals on Dish? According to this site (http://www.dishuser.org/hdlocal.php), it looks like you guys may have had them at one time, now only 16 is up? I'm not sure how current this is as it doesn't have the Ft. Wayne locals listed as being active, but they are.

My DTV Pal DVR did temporarily show listings for WNIT 34 again, but gone back to showing "no information". Is anyone else with the TR-40 or DTV Pal units also not getting listings for 34? If I check from the TV's tuner, it does pick up the guide listings for that channel. This is really starting to bug me.

have the dtv pal dvr...no 34 data :(

have the dtv pal dvr...no 34 data :(

I was kind of hoping for a reply from someone that wasn't also using the DVR, but at least there is some consistency.

I was kind of hoping for a reply from someone that wasn't also using the DVR, but at least there is some consistency.I have the TR40, and I, too, have no EPG data for any of the WNIT channels.

I have the TR40, and I, too, have no EPG data for any of the WNIT channels.

Now we just need to figure out if this is a Echostar / Dish Network problem, or a WNIT 34 problem. The bigger problem is if it's a Dish Network problem, I think you may be screwed because to my knowledge there is no way to upgrade the firmware on your box. I'm hoping whatever the case is that WNIT will correct this problem. I was kind of hoping that non Echostar / Dish Network customers would report back about their guide data. I think it would be easier to deal with WNIT than it would be to deal with Dish Network over this issue.

Now we just need to figure out if this is a Echostar / Dish Network problem, or a WNIT 34 problem. The bigger problem is if it's a Dish Network problem, I think you may be screwed because to my knowledge there is no way to upgrade the firmware on your box. I'm hoping whatever the case is that WNIT will correct this problem. I was kind of hoping that non Echostar / Dish Network customers would report back about their guide data. I think it would be easier to deal with WNIT than it would be to deal with Dish Network over this issue.I believe it is an Echostar issue. My Toshiba HD set shows the current program on 34-1 as "Tavis Smiley" with a program description "Harry Shearer, Michael McKean, Christopher Guest ("Spinal Tap")" while the TR40 says "No Information Available" for both the program name and detailed description.

I thought I better wait a couple of days before posting this, but it appears WNIT 34 finally got their guide data working on my DVR again. I can't speak for all Echostar equipment, but I assume it's working on the DTV Pal and the TR-40 again. Not that I watch 34 all that much, but it was annoying to see a gap in my program guide saying "no information".

Here's a quick rant I have about WNDU 16's HD picture quality and the sad thing is I don't even really have to say anything at all.. I'll let the picture speak for itself. To be fair for those people that don't know, this only happens during scenes that change a lot like actions scenes. This one was during America's Got Talent when Mariah Carey did a performance that involved strobe lights.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/3817337813_dbb51c5fba.jpg

Here's a quick rant I have about WNDU 16's HD picture quality and the sad thing is I don't even really have to say anything at all.. I'll let the picture speak for itself. To be fair for those people that don't know, this only happens during scenes that change a lot like actions scenes. This one was during America's Got Talent when Mariah Carey did a performance that involved strobe lights.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/3817337813_dbb51c5fba.jpg

Confetti is another good test. That destroys even the best of encoders.

Hmmm ... Channel 16 may have lost me as a news viewer.

Just in time for the fall season (and medium leaving NBC for CBS) our CBS affiliate WSBT is now available in HD on DISH Network.
Channels 22-0 and 5191.

(Yes, I could watch 22 OTA but I like the space MPEG4 compression saves on my DVR.)

Also our FOX affiliate is now in HD on DISH (WSJV). Channels 28-0 and 5193.

I wonder if something can be worked out with WBND? The sale to WSBT was approved but has not been consumed (the WCWW and WMYS part of the sale is still pending at the FCC). With WSBT accepting carriage on DISH there should not be a problem with carrying the other channels.

Article in the South Bend Tribune this morning that WSBT called the sale off! Said they had an agreement that would let them out if FCC took longer than a year to approve the deal.

That sale was pending for a long time. I guess Weigel Broadcasting is stuck with South Bend. It would be nice to at least get WCWW or WBND added to the La Porte/Michigan City cable system. I wonder if the reason is because WCIU is already carried.

That sale was pending for a long time. I guess Weigel Broadcasting is stuck with South Bend. It would be nice to at least get WCWW or WBND added to the La Porte/Michigan City cable system. I wonder if the reason is because WCIU is already carried.
WCWW, WBND and WMYS are low power stations that don't have the same rights as full power stations to force their way on to cable systems. While it would be nice (for you) to get another source of CW and ABC progamming, don't you get that from Chicago affiliates?

Article in the South Bend Tribune this morning that WSBT called the sale off! Said they had an agreement that would let them out if FCC took longer than a year to approve the deal.For reference: http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20090821/BIZ/908210414

"WSBT Inc. has exercised its option to step away from a deal to buy three lower-power television stations in South Bend, according to John Mann, president and general manager of the station.

...

If the deal had been approved, WSBT Inc. would have owned the three low-power stations in addition to the media outlets the company already owns. WSBT is owned by Schurz Communications Inc., which also owns The Tribune and WSBT Radio Group in this area.

Mann declined to say whether the company has any plans to renew its attempt to buy the stations."

The FCC did approve (Sept 25th, 2008) the sale of WBND but the remaining two stations were held up at the FCC as they dealt with a late filed opposition to the sale.

Accepted Date: 08/19/2008
Petition to Deny Filed 09/22/2008 by FREE PRESS
Opposition Filed 10/07/2008 by WEIGEL BROADCASTING CO.
Motion for Extension of Time Filed 10/09/2008 by FREE PRESS
Reply Filed 10/27/2008 by FREE PRESS
Request for Expedited Consideration Filed 05/20/2009 by Weigel Broadcasting, Co.

WCWW, WBND and WMYS are low power stations that don't have the same rights as full power stations to force their way on to cable systems. While it would be nice (for you) to get another source of CW and ABC progamming, don't you get that from Chicago affiliates?

While all the Chicago and South Bend high power broadcast stations are already carried, I just thought it would be nice if the cable provider carried the LPs. WLS is carried on the local cable system.

That sale was pending for a long time. I guess Weigel Broadcasting is stuck with South Bend. It would be nice to at least get WCWW or WBND added to the La Porte/Michigan City cable system. I wonder if the reason is because WCIU is already carried.

We are carried on Comcast and AT&T. I believe LaPorte county is considered the Chicago DMA thus they would carry the Chicago locals before South Bend.

Thanks hvs10trk. I was wondering if it was because of the Chicago DMA.

From the Chicago Tribune: http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/towerticker/2009/08/weigel-sale-of-three-south-bend-tv-stations-unravels.html

Neal Sabin, Weigel's executive vice president, told the Chicago Tribune that the company is aggressively moving forward with running the stations, having acquired programming syndicated episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" for fall of 2009, as well as adding several series to this fall's schedule such as "My Name is Earl," "America's Funniest Home Videos," Wendy Williams' daytime talk show.

Anybody know when WNDU is adding on to there tower?
I would like to see how they do it!

Anybody know when WNDU is adding on to there tower?
I would like to see how they do it!
IIRC the plan is to remove the channel 16 antenna from the top of the tall tower and replace it with a channel 42 digital antenna. "Adding on" shouldn't happen, just changing what is on top.

If they are taking one antenna down and putting another up whrer does the extra 33 meters come from? Is the new antenna that much taller?

If they are taking one antenna down and putting another up whrer does the extra 33 meters come from? Is the new antenna that much taller?The former channel 16 antenna is at the top of the tallest tower. The current channel 42 digital antenna is not. The extra 33 meters comes from putting the channel 42 antenna where the channel 16 antenna is.

The former channel 16 antenna is at the top of the tallest tower. The current channel 42 digital antenna is not. The extra 33 meters comes from putting the channel 42 antenna where the channel 16 antenna is.
WNDU is installing their antenna on top I wonder if it causes any pattern change? They have a great signal here approx.52 miles S.E. in Whitley County!! After the leaves drop the South Bend LP's should start rolling in again.

I am having trouble with the signal on wsbt, low signal on both tv's with two different antenna's. Most of the other stations come in at 85+

WNDU is installing their antenna on top I wonder if it causes any pattern change? They have a great signal here approx.52 miles S.E. in Whitley County!! After the leaves drop the South Bend LP's should start rolling in again.
Their current signal is at the top of a shorter tower on the same property. The extra height and power might help you and might hurt. I'm close enough that I get multipath from the signal as it is. 22's higher altitude and lower power signal comes in much better. (Some in Mishawaka/South Bend have a lot of problems with multi-path on the high power signals.)

Does anyone else have trouble with locals in HD from Directv. i will keep my antenna because everytime i try to record on my DVR i miss part of the show because of loss of signal. If I use -1 signals off the antenna then I have no problems.

I noticed 25, 57, and 69 were kind of in the dumps on the lower 60% on my DVR as of late. Now all of a sudden I'm seeing all 3 in the upper 70%. Did these stations have a power problem recently?

I noticed 25, 57, and 69 were kind of in the dumps on the lower 60% on my DVR as of late. Now all of a sudden I'm seeing all 3 in the upper 70%. Did these stations have a power problem recently?

No, probably tropo. I saw WNDU at my house knocking out WQRF.

I can see WSBT clearly with no breakups, WNDU is canceling out WQRF which is a blowtorch Fox 45 miles from me. I can also see analog 24 which I think is in Valpo.

I can see WSBT clearly with no breakups, WNDU is canceling out WQRF which is a blowtorch Fox 45 miles from me. I can also see analog 24 which I think is in Valpo.It is. just over 6kw of directional power waiting to flip to digital at some point.

It is. just over 6kw of directional power waiting to flip to digital at some point.

I had fun watching Jewlery TV last night. I could also see our analog LP's here at my house! Good enough for cell phone screen shots! Not bad for 120miles away!! And I only have a 4-bay UHF panel antenna.

WBND, WMYS, WHVI (valpo) all LP's.

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They are airing the same thing on Digital 40.1 WHCH. It used to be religious (is it the same owners?), now it's Jewelry TV 24/7. Northwest Indiana could be better served if someone else bought those.

Speaking of the tropo last night - I was pulling in the Fort Wayne stations in La Porte.

Why cant I see the jpg pictures on this page??
All I get is a page of letters and gobbly gook!

Why cant I see the jpg pictures on this page??
All I get is a page of letters and gobbly gook!

Sounds like your browser is launching Notepad or Wordpad.

hvs10trk, all six of your LP and LD OTA channels are having issues right now. I called over to the neighbors (Comcast cable) and they say WBND is coming in fine. I'm getting a good signal from the transmitters (my TR-40 shows 90 on my rabbit ear setup) but the picture is breaking up, freezing, etc.

Is anyone else seeing this (especially during the ND Michigan game?)

Update, 4:30 EDT: Looks like someone noticed. It's been stable for five minutes or so. Fingers crossed for the rest of the game!

hvs10trk, all six of your LP and LD OTA channels are having issues right now. I called over to the neighbors (Comcast cable) and they say WBND is coming in fine. I'm getting a good signal from the transmitters (my TR-40 shows 90 on my rabbit ear setup) but the picture is breaking up, freezing, etc.

Is anyone else seeing this (especially during the ND Michigan game?)

Update, 4:30 EDT: Looks like someone noticed. It's been stable for five minutes or so. Fingers crossed for the rest of the game!
both 57.1 and 69.1 freeze at the same time. Missing lots of action (well, on 57).

We turned on the FM radio to fill in the gaps on the freeze frames.

I turned on two TVs with separate antenna feeds, both freeze at the same time. Looks like a encoder problem at the station somewhere ...

Directv has a SD feed on 386 in case it goes down again.

hvs10trk, all six of your LP and LD OTA channels are having issues right now. I called over to the neighbors (Comcast cable) and they say WBND is coming in fine. I'm getting a good signal from the transmitters (my TR-40 shows 90 on my rabbit ear setup) but the picture is breaking up, freezing, etc.

Is anyone else seeing this (especially during the ND Michigan game?)

Update, 4:30 EDT: Looks like someone noticed. It's been stable for five minutes or so. Fingers crossed for the rest of the game!

I was having the same problems here. Seems to have cleared up for the moment.

Directv has a SD feed on 386 in case it goes down again.I block my SD L-i-L on my Dish receivers. If the problems return, I'll remove the block and see if it's better. Thanks for the suggestion.

Was Directv having problems with all the South Bend stations? I set my DVR to record the Michigan/Notre Dame on 57 and when I sat down to watch it this evening all I saw was a slide saying they were having technical difficulties and were providing us with with the NY and LA network stations.
It looks like they got it back with about 1 minute to go in the game.
And was this both SD and HD? Is the SD Local Receive Facility still at WSBT? I believe the HD LRF is at WNDU.

I'd like to throw in my 2¢ too since 25, 57, and 69 are all broadcasting a good signal, but I'm getting a blank screen on Comcast, and "no service" on both the TV and DVR. Once in a while service comes in, and then it go's out.

Just want to clarify I have the Comcast HD feed up now and it's reacting pretty much the same as broadcast.

The signal did come back, in fact I watched the Vampire Diaries tonight.. However it was a real bad experience as the flashing I've seen in the past was the worst I've ever seen it. There were times I'd see 3 flashes in a row. Also there were a couple of times things got really pixelated. Also within the last 15 minutes of this show 25 blacked out again for a minute or so, then it came back again.

I don't know if this is worth noting, but last night I saw 3 Chicago stations suddenly appear on my DVR. I know one was a PBS station on channel 11. MyTV on 50, and a Spanish channel that I don't remember what channel designation it was on. I was actually getting a real good signal on them ranging between 60-70%. I'm no longer receiving these stations, but I wonder if there possibly could be another station causing problems with 25.. However as I said earlier, I've seen the same issues on Comcast as well...

The signal did come back, in fact I watched the Vampire Diaries tonight.. However it was a real bad experience as the flashing I've seen in the past was the worst I've ever seen it. There were times I'd see 3 flashes in a row. Also there were a couple of times things got really pixelated. Also within the last 15 minutes of this show 25 blacked out again for a minute or so, then it came back again.

I don't know if this is worth noting, but last night I saw 3 Chicago stations suddenly appear on my DVR. I know one was a PBS station on channel 11. MyTV on 50, and a Spanish channel that I don't remember what channel designation it was on. I was actually getting a real good signal on them ranging between 60-70%. I'm no longer receiving these stations, but I wonder if there possibly could be another station causing problems with 25.. However as I said earlier, I've seen the same issues on Comcast as well...

Major tropo last night is indeed what caused all of this. Last night, from 60 miles west of Chicago, with a ChannelMaster 4228 antenna in my 1-story attic, I locked WEWS-DT in Cleveland, OH, on physical channel 15, resolving to 5.1, for over an hour before I had to go to bed.

The signal did come back, in fact I watched the Vampire Diaries tonight.. However it was a real bad experience as the flashing I've seen in the past was the worst I've ever seen it. There were times I'd see 3 flashes in a row.

Yeah. And what the heck was up with the season opener of Supernatural? Same deal: flashes, flashes and more flashes. It was beyond horrible. I've never seen this on WBND, only on WWCW and that's almost all the time since the HD transition. I was excited when this station went HD, but now I wish it would go back to analog (at least I could watch a show without getting a headache). Heck, it reminds me of the way the TV's were behaving in "Independence Day" when the aliens had tapped into the satellites…

Yeah. And what the heck was up with the season opener of Supernatural? Same deal: flashes, flashes and more flashes. It was beyond horrible. I've never seen this on WBND, only on WWCW and that's almost all the time since the HD transition. I was excited when this station went HD, but now I wish it would go back to analog (at least I could watch a show without getting a headache). Heck, it reminds me of the way the TV's were behaving in "Independence Day" when the aliens had tapped into the satellites…

They still do broadcast 25, 57, and 69 in analog too. They can do this because all 3 are low power stations which are all owned by the same company. Because they are low power, they weren't forced to shut off their analog signal.

I know this might sound like a bit of a stretch, but they really do need to think about people who could have epileptic seizures who are sensitive to sudden flashes. I'm not such a person, but I grew up with one.. It's not pretty when it happens.

Crap, was WSJV having issues tonight? My season premiere recordings of Bones & Fringe are messed up on my HR20 and won't play.

Crap, was WSJV having issues tonight? My season premiere recordings of Bones & Fringe are messed up on my HR20 and won't play.

OTA seemed fine to me. (At least for fringe)

No idea what happened. Had to watch them from Fox.com. Thank God their full screen player fed to my plasma from the PC over HDMI looks quite good. :)

Did something happen to WSBT?
I am 2 miles west of the airport and have no signal this evening! TROPO?

Did something happen to WSBT?
I am 2 miles west of the airport and have no signal this evening! TROPO?

I'm picking up WSBT perfectly fine here in Elkhart.

This article makes me happy that none of our local channels were in the VHF range. Yikes!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112976574

Come on HVS, we know you've got deep pockets. :-P~

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/22/motorolas-new-pro-encoder-makes-1080p-broadcast-a-breeze/

Actually 25 and 58 look just fine in HD as they are. If anything, we can only hope WNDU would take notice of this bad boy.. Anything would be an improvement at this point.

Come on HVS, we know you've got deep pockets. :-P~

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/22/motorolas-new-pro-encoder-makes-1080p-broadcast-a-breeze/

Actually 25 and 58 look just fine in HD as they are. If anything, we can only hope WNDU would take notice of this bad boy.. Anything would be an improvement at this point.
Isn't OTA stuck with MPEG-2? That is a nice box, but it won't help MPEG-2 channels.