Come on HVS, we know you've got deep pockets. :-P~

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/22/motorolas-new-pro-encoder-makes-1080p-broadcast-a-breeze/

Actually 25 and 58 look just fine in HD as they are. If anything, we can only hope WNDU would take notice of this bad boy.. Anything would be an improvement at this point.

Nice. 1080p wont make it to OTA anytime soon. Still a big fan of our Harmonics encoders.

Yeah 25 and 57's picture quality is fine, but I'm still waiting for 5.1 audio.

Yeah 25 and 57's picture quality is fine, but I'm still waiting for 5.1 audio.

Are you also seeing flashes during the CW network broadcast stuff? I'm not sure if my Vizio is just doesn't like 25, or if there really is a flashing issue with 25.. I still see those stupid flashes, but only during CW broadcasts.

I probably should redact that statement. I just watched the first minute or so of Smallville and so far no flashes....

Are you also seeing flashes during the CW network broadcast stuff? I'm not sure if my Vizio is just doesn't like 25, or if there really is a flashing issue with 25.. I still see those stupid flashes, but only during CW broadcasts.

I probably should redact that statement. I just watched the first minute or so of Smallville and so far no flashes....

Yeah I saw them all the time during smallville. Forgot about them until tonight.

Yeah I saw them all the time during smallville. Forgot about them until tonight.

I spoke to soon. :-(

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2623/3954311755_8a101b5266.jpg

Oh crap! Of course it only surfaces again after I thought I might of jumped the gun on this one.. The frame you see here is what makes the screen to appear to flash. It's always one frame that appears disjointed.

Yes I know it's blurry, apparently the camera in my new phone doesn't take quite a good of a pic as my old one did. However just so HVS knows, this happened about 5 minutes into Smallville.

I have noticed the flashes also on CW25. All local programming is fine. The flashes ONLY appear during CW network programming - not during local breaks or local shows.

If someone has it recorded on their DVR, can you make a quick movie of it and post it. I'm curious to see what the whole sequence looks like. Videotaping the screen would be ok. Try to stay away of cell phone movies.

If someone has it recorded on their DVR, can you make a quick movie of it and post it. I'm curious to see what the whole sequence looks like. Videotaping the screen would be ok. Try to stay away of cell phone movies.

Sorry HVS, but other than the crappy camera in my phone, all I have is an old 1.3 megapixel Logitech Fusion webcam pro which apparently isn't much better than a cell phone camera. However I think the video clip I just shot will pretty much show you what's been happening. As I played it through I also played back over the flicker and advanced 1 frame at a time until it got to the flicker frame.. I set on that for a few seconds then advanced some more, then backed it up so you could see it again as it's happening.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoenixfury/3956636780/

I didn't know how to embed the video, so you'll just have to click on the above link.

Nice demo, phoenixfury. I counted the side-shift three times before the "Smallville" opening credits.

I also saw a number of times where the screen cut for one frame to a series of scan lines. Here's an example during Oliver's cage fight sequence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FghYNGtPxho
(hmmm, YouTube may take some time to process my video, so try again later if it doesn't work right away)
(Okay, it's up now)

Good demo as well Foxbat. Yeah I saw those as well!

Sorry HVS, but other than the crappy camera in my phone, all I have is an old 1.3 megapixel Logitech Fusion webcam pro which apparently isn't much better than a cell phone camera. However I think the video clip I just shot will pretty much show you what's been happening. As I played it through I also played back over the flicker and advanced 1 frame at a time until it got to the flicker frame.. I set on that for a few seconds then advanced some more, then backed it up so you could see it again as it's happening.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoenixfury/3956636780/

I didn't know how to embed the video, so you'll just have to click on the above link.

Works for me. Good camera. Strange problem.

I just fixed my LCDTV (died back in December, but just found an extremely easy fix) anyway, I just did a QAM scan on comcast and got the following results:

http://i38.tinypic.com/10dbczd.png
(I couldn't figure out what 121.7-121.11 were, they were playing paid programming)

My question is, do these channels stay on these numbers or jump around once and a while (I think I heard that once) If they change channel #s, how often is that (will I need to rescan every day?) Also, would I get any different results choosing HRC or IRC rather than STD cable?

I'm currently on standard cable, so I'm glad to at least get some HD cable channels, even if most are locals, since those would come in better than OTA anyway.

The only thing I don't like about this TV, is it has no optical out to recieve 5.1 audio from the channels that support it, while my old CRT does. (But I guess that doesn't matter for 25 and 57 anyway :rolleyes:)

The PIP channels are kind of cool because you can change the audio track using the MTS button on your remote for each channel displayed.

I just fixed my LCDTV (died back in December, but just found an extremely easy fix) anyway, I just did a QAM scan on comcast and got the following results:

http://i38.tinypic.com/10dbczd.png
(I couldn't figure out what 121.7-121.11 were, they were playing paid programming)

My question is, do these channels stay on these numbers or jump around once and a while (I think I heard that once) If they change channel #s, how often is that (will I need to rescan every day?) Also, would I get any different results choosing HRC or IRC rather than STD cable?

I'm currently on standard cable, so I'm glad to at least get some HD cable channels, even if most are locals, since those would come in better than OTA anyway.

The only thing I don't like about this TV, is it has no optical out to recieve 5.1 audio from the channels that support it, while my old CRT does. (But I guess that doesn't matter for 25 and 57 anyway :rolleyes:)

The PIP channels are kind of cool because you can change the audio track using the MTS button on your remote for each channel displayed.

Does your TV pull in any guide PSIP guide data for these channels? I remember when I tried it (over a year ago) they didn't bring in any guide data, and none of these channels were in those channel positions.

My question is, do these channels stay on these numbers or jump around once and a while (I think I heard that once) If they change channel #s, how often is that (will I need to rescan every day?)

They do change occasionally, but not very often. I don't check often, but I know WGNHD has been on the same channel for a year or more.

Does your TV pull in any guide PSIP guide data for these channels? I remember when I tried it (over a year ago) they didn't bring in any guide data, and none of these channels were in those channel positions.

Only for the locals, all the others don't list the channel name or guide data. Also, I think those channels I have as (unknown) might be constant ads at all times for some reason.

They do change occasionally, but not very often. I don't check often, but I know WGNHD has been on the same channel for a year or more.

I see. Thanks for the info.

Speaking of Comcast QAM, Is FOX 28's audio out-of-sync for anyone else on Comcast?

Speaking of Comcast QAM, Is FOX 28's audio out-of-sync for anyone else on Comcast?

I watched Heroes tonight instead of House, so idk.

Is anyone seeing what I'm seeing on Channel 34 HD?
We have Directv with a HD receiver.
I was watching the News Hour with Jim Lehrer, for a few minutes last night, and at the top of the picture, I could see what looked like horizontal white lines once in a while.
Then I started the watching the National Park series, which had been recorded, and I could see the same thing. It was especially noticeable when the camera would be panning down.
I haven't noticed it on any other channel.

Is anyone seeing what I'm seeing on Channel 34 HD?
We have Directv with a HD receiver.
I was watching the News Hour with Jim Lehrer, for a few minutes last night, and at the top of the picture, I could see what looked like horizontal white lines once in a while.
Then I started the watching the National Park series, which had been recorded, and I could see the same thing. It was especially noticeable when the camera would be panning down.
I haven't noticed it on any other channel.Yes, I have been seeing this corruption in the upper portion of the picture for some time (months) now. If they fade to black, the top of the screen will "pulse" approximately once a second. It distracts from what has been another wonderful Ken Burns documentary.

I'm seeing this OTA on both my Dish ViP receivers' and the HDTVs' built-in ATSC tuners.

Yes, I have been seeing this corruption in the upper portion of the picture for some time (months) now. If they fade to black, the top of the screen will "pulse" approximately once a second. It distracts from what has been another wonderful Ken Burns documentary.

I'm seeing this OTA on both my Dish ViP receivers' and the HDTVs' built-in ATSC tuners.

I have also been seeing this for sometime. Wasn't sure till now if it was channel 34 or my antenna,I assume now since I'm not the only one seeing it that it is channel 34 causing the reception problem.

Thanks. I wasn't sure if it was Channel 34 or Directv.

Thanks. I wasn't sure if it was Channel 34 or Directv.
Is it OK if I quote both of you in an e-mail to WNIT?

I have also been seeing this for sometime. Wasn't sure till now if it was channel 34 or my antenna,I assume now since I'm not the only one seeing it that it is channel 34 causing the reception problem.
I was talking to a lady tonight who told me that she was seeing this problem OTA.
She was watching the Parks special on 34.1. She switched to 34.2 and this noise or whatever we're seeing disappeared. .

I was talking to a lady tonight who told me that she was seeing this problem OTA.
She was watching the Parks special on 34.1. She switched to 34.2 and this noise or whatever we're seeing disappeared. .Yes, I should have been more clear that this is only an issue on the HD PBS feed on 34-1, not the SD feed on 34-2.Is it OK if I quote both of you in an e-mail to WNIT?That's fine with me. Thanks for asking...

Yes, I should have been more clear that this is only an issue on the HD PBS feed on 34-1, not the SD feed on 34-2.That's fine with me. Thanks for asking...

Another observer -- I can't remember when 34-1 started doing HD top-of-the-screen tearing noise, but it has been there a long time. It seems to get worst and very noticeable on scenes that pan, however, it is always there ever so slightly on most frames. I have OTA RS75 uhf roof top antenna, Motorola signal amp on the mast, decent signal.

The best OTA HD I ever saw was when WNDU dropped 16.2 and encoded entire spectrum into 16.1 during the Olympics. Now that was an eye popping treat ...

Is fox 28 still going to carry This Tv on a subchannel?

Is fox 28 still going to carry This Tv on a subchannel?

I emailed them a while back and asked whether they were going to carry ThisTV and RTV. This was the answer:

Well... it’s possible these channels will be coming, I’m not sure how quickly.

We are working with both networks – and some of our sister stations currently carry them – but there is no beginning date set yet. We’ll let you know, don’t worry.



Sincerely,



Ed Kral

Station Manager

FOX 28



Clear as mud
Al

I thought I remembered last year that it was supposed to happen around November of this year, but I could be wrong. Then again things could have easily changed since then.

I have recently moved from the Kalamazoo MI area where my Terrestrial Digital DB8 antenna could pick all the major OTA stations in Grand Rapids, MI. ABC, FOX, CBS, PBS, NBC. I moved the antenna to a roof top location about 20 feet plus off the ground in Three Rivers, MI. I can pick up WWMT (CBS) out of Gull Lake, the PBS stations WGVK, and WSBT out of South Bend.

My problem is I cannot get any of the major Stations out of South Bend (except CBS) even though I should get them. I am trying to get WNDU (42), WNIT (35), and WSJV (28). I though I could receive these stations since they are all close together, on the same compass points, and same distance. I get no OTA signal for them. There is a big tree in my neighbors yard that blocks my antenna. It is still full of leaves. I get WSBT so its puzzling why I cannot get the others.

Is there anything special or problematic about getting all of these missing OTA signals?

I'm not at my computer right now, but if you go to rabbitears.info and look up the South Bend market, you probably find that WSBT has much higher TX power than the rest. TX antenna height may also be a factor.

It is the height that makes the difference. WSBT is half the power of WNDU but 150ft higher. Similar reception differences have been noted in Chicago.

Well, you can tell there's a weather front moving in. Actually getting WCWW pretty steadily here in Angola. Probably won't last too long, though.

My OTA WSJV HD signal is horrible tonight. Breaking up all over the place.

Still seeing the flashes on Smallville.. Is this something we are kind of stuck with? Which if this is the case, it's really unfortunate.

Still seeing the flashes on Smallville.. Is this something we are kind of stuck with? Which if this is the case, it's really unfortunate.

In addition to the flashes, does anyone else get occasionally 5-7 second audio dropouts? They seem to average 1-2 per show.

In addition to the flashes, does anyone else get occasionally 5-7 second audio dropouts? They seem to average 1-2 per show.

Yes, I'm half way through watching this weeks Smallville, but there was one audio drop out so far.

Still seeing the flashes on Smallville.. Is this something we are kind of stuck with? Which if this is the case, it's really unfortunate.

Not stuck with it. It's on the "to-do" list.

Not stuck with it. It's on the "to-do" list.

I trust you are taking care of it. Just hadn't heard anything as far as addressing these issues. I hope I don't sound too critical, I'm just looking forward to a flash free CW 25. :-) Since they have been happening for so long, I was kind of starting lo lose hope that these problems ever will be fixed. I know you are doing the best you can and believe me, I appreciate you. :-) I know they'll get fixed, I'm just getting grouchy is all.

Anyone have sound issues on FOX during the playoff game while watching it on DirecTV? Man it was annoying. It had awful blip and whoopee cushion effects going on about every 10-30 seconds. It was gone by the seventh inning. Anyone else confirm this?

I believe WSJV's issues are not unique to DirecTV. I've had problems with the OTA signal dropping from time-to-time. I had a number of DVR events on my ViP 211 "ruined" due to these dropouts.

Dish Networks' encoder puts up a yellow screen for five seconds or so when it loses the signal.

I believe WSJV's issues are not unique to DirecTV. I've had problems with the OTA signal dropping from time-to-time. I had a number of DVR events on my ViP 211 "ruined" due to these dropouts.

Dish Networks' encoder puts up a yellow screen for five seconds or so when it loses the signal.

Yeah my OTA WSJV signal was dropping out all over the place last Friday during Dollhouse.

I noticed WNIT 34-1 had a black border around its HD picture today. I don't watch this channel much so I don't know if this just started. I called them but the woman who answered the phone could not get the engineering department to answer her page. She said she would pass along the information. A couple of hours later I checked 34-1 and it still looked the same.

I noticed WNIT 34-1 had a black border around its HD picture today. I don't watch this channel much so I don't know if this just started. I called them but the woman who answered the phone could not get the engineering department to answer her page. She said she would pass along the information. A couple of hours later I checked 34-1 and it still looked the same.

The news at 7 pm is in full screen HD.

I noticed WNIT 34-1 had a black border around its HD picture today. I don't watch this channel much so I don't know if this just started. I called them but the woman who answered the phone could not get the engineering department to answer her page. She said she would pass along the information. A couple of hours later I checked 34-1 and it still looked the same.

They also still have that problem with the picture tearing up at the top of the screen. It was there when they ran the National Parks Series and I see it was still there when the Herbert Hoover: Landslide program was on.

I noticed WNIT 34-1 had a black border around its HD picture today. I don't watch this channel much so I don't know if this just started. I called them but the woman who answered the phone could not get the engineering department to answer her page. She said she would pass along the information. A couple of hours later I checked 34-1 and it still looked the same.

I talked to an engineer at WNIT this afternoon and he told me they don't have the ability to record programming in HD so anything that they time shift will not be in HD.

I very seldom watch TV when it's actually live, (thanks to the DVR) but occasionally I'll just let it play live and I have been blasted by some over aural pumped commercials. Although this doesn't really affect me that much, I'm glad that someone's taking care of this.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/10/29/members-of-the-atsc-agree-on-measure-to-curb-loud-commercials/

Somehow I think our little group will care about this. Don't forget to set your VCR, DVR, or just plant yourself in front of the TV for V on ABC tonight. :-)

I just checked my DVR and it appears that 25, 57, and 69 are all on correct time and that the guide data actually matches what is actually airing. Thank God! I was a little worried I'd have to preform voodoo on my DVR to get it to record V tonight.

Somehow I think our little group will care about this. Don't forget to set your VCR, DVR, or just plant yourself in front of the TV for V on ABC tonight. :-)

I just checked my DVR and it appears that 25, 57, and 69 are all on correct time and that the guide data actually matches what is actually airing. Thank God! I was a little worried I'd have to preform voodoo on my DVR to get it to record V tonight.

:) Thank you. I needed some good news today.

:) Thank you. I needed some good news today.

You're welcome, anytime!

You're welcome, anytime!

Although my Chicago time is one hour ahead. hmmmm.........

Anyone have any news on channel 46-1 switching to actual channel 46 instead of 48?

Anyone notice that WBND 57 is now in HD on DirecTV? This morning while flipping through I noticed WBND and the CW were in HD. WOW, finally. Perhaps my emails to both WBND and DirecTV have helped. I sent messages to both in the last month.

Also I notice that Detroit and Cincinnati SportsNets are listed as package channels. Although neither of them are coming up on my Choice Xtra. Hmmmm.

I just got a QAM Tuner card for my Windows 7 Media Center, and it only finds the locals, none of the others my tv found. Those channels didn't seem to list the actual station names, so that may be the problem. It's not a huge problem for me, as I don't really watch any of those channels, but they should have shown on the scan.

Also, I had to manually modify WSJV-DT as it was 28.2 with a slightly different name on the QAM station, and so was unknown to media center, I renamed it to 28.1 and told it which channel to pull guide data from.

Anyone notice that WBND 57 is now in HD on DirecTV? This morning while flipping through I noticed WBND and the CW were in HD. WOW, finally. Perhaps my emails to both WBND and DirecTV have helped. I sent messages to both in the last month.

Thank you! Bring on Lost.

Thank you! Bring on Lost.

Season 5 on Blu-Ray soon! Great hold over until January. Yes, bring on LOST!

Lost is beautiful in HD. Also if you happen to have a Netflix account and any Netflix capable streaming device, you can see all 4 seasons of Lost in HD for free! Ok, so it's more like HDish.. (Meaning not quite 720P) but it's far better looking than broadcast in standard def.

Aside from Lost, V is absolutely beautiful in HD. I'm terrible with character names of new shows so please bare with me. One of the best visuals I've ever seen in HD was when the female FBI agent wakes up out of bed and she opens her beautiful blue eyes. The entire image was soft but to be honest it was hard to focus on much else other than her eyes and who would want to look away from those peepers? :-) WB and ABC have outdone themselves on the visuals of this show..

I agree about V and Lost, but they both would be so much better with 5.1 sound. I swear our CW and ABC have got to be almost the last digital channels that don't provide 5.1. It honestly should not be hard to provide a bitstream of the 5.1 dolby digital provided by the satellite source. I've been asking about 5.1 for probably 3 years. They say it's on the to do list, but there's no reason it should have taken this long.

On 5.1 sound... yea its pathetic they aren't already. I remember a guy on here who represented WBND about three years ago saying it was coming soon. I'm sure it will happen when then Duke Nukem games comes out. :)

On 5.1 sound... yea its pathetic they aren't already. I remember a guy on here who represented WBND about three years ago saying it was coming soon. I'm sure it will happen when then Duke Nukem games comes out. :)

lol nice

Yeah, this is the main reason I wanted the WSBT deal to work out, as I'm guessing they would have easily gotten that set up.

5.1 and the audio fizzling out just about every episode are my only complaints about 57 and 25 though. The picture quality is great. (aside from the occasional flicker)

Didn't ABC (and ESPN) go with SRS Circle Surround™ (http://www.srslabs.com/content.aspx?id=230)? Or, did ABC relent and switch to Dolby Labs?

And WTF WSBT? You ran two minutes worth of political ads over the opening of CSI: Miami. Unacceptable.

Edit: And again, at 10:11pm

10:12, lost of signal.

*dink* *dink* *dink* "Hello! McFly..."

Yeah WSBT messed up a couple times during Big Bang Theory as well.

And I don't know anything about Circle Surround, but it simply sounds like a decoder, not an encoder, so it would have no impact on what sound we get, it would be something specific to your sound system, not the station.

ATSC is supposed to be mpeg2video + Dolby Digital audio. Currently, WBND and WCWW downmix the 5.1 Dolby Digital stream they get from the national satellite, and output it as Dolby Stereo. I have no idea why the can't simply bitstream the source Dolby Signal to their multiplexer.

Here's how I think it should be done. Obviously, it's probably slightly more complex than this, but for the most part, I think this probably explains it well enough:

http://i36.tinypic.com/20if9zs.png

If anything, I would think it would be easier to set this up that what they have now, plus it would also fix the audio drop out problems both stations have as well.

They would probably have to introduce a delay somewhere in the audio to keep it sync'd. It is amazing how many milliseconds can be lost in processing - and how bad it can be being a few too many milliseconds off.

They would probably have to introduce a delay somewhere in the audio to keep it sync'd. It is amazing how many milliseconds can be lost in processing - and how bad it can be being a few too many milliseconds off.

True, but that probably shouldn't bee too hard I'd imagine.

Yeah WSBT messed up a couple times during Big Bang Theory as well.

And I don't know anything about Circle Surround, but it simply sounds like a decoder, not an encoder, so it would have no impact on what sound we get, it would be something specific to your sound system, not the station.

ATSC is supposed to be mpeg2video + Dolby Digital audio. Currently, WBND and WCWW downmix the 5.1 Dolby Digital stream they get from the national satellite, and output it as Dolby Stereo. I have no idea why the can't simply bitstream the source Dolby Signal to their multiplexer.

Here's how I think it should be done. Obviously, it's probably slightly more complex than this, but for the most part, I think this probably explains it well enough:

http://i36.tinypic.com/20if9zs.png

If anything, I would think it would be easier to set this up that what they have now, plus it would also fix the audio drop out problems both stations have as well.
ABC has several audio streams. Dolby E (5.1), Dolby 2.0, and Stereo. For us to carry both stations in 5.1 (and switch it cleanly) would require a dolby decoder and encoder for each station. And they're not cheap either!!

ABC has several audio streams. Dolby E (5.1), Dolby 2.0, and Stereo. For us to carry both stations in 5.1 (and switch it cleanly) would require a dolby decoder and encoder for each station. And they're not cheap either!!

Okay so it sounds like Dolby E is a different codec than regular 5.1 Dolby AC3? Strange that the networks would do that when they know it's going to eventually be outputted in 5.1 Dolby AC3.

At the cheapest, it looks like the Dolby E decoder would be somewhere in the $1000-2000 range, but I'm sure you can get a 5.1 Dolby AC3 encoder pretty cheap (I can even do it for free on my PC using AC3Filter)

Anyway, I wouldn't think a few thousand dollars of new equipment would have held you back for all this time. To me it sounds more like a priority issue. I think 5.1 should be near (if not at) the top of the priorities for 57 and 25.

They also have to be able to switch it, meaning the master control has to support 5.1 as well. Who knows how much that costs.

- Trip

Okay so it sounds like Dolby E is a different codec than regular 5.1 Dolby AC3? Strange that the networks would do that when they know it's going to eventually be outputted in 5.1 Dolby AC3.

At the cheapest, it looks like the Dolby E decoder would be somewhere in the $1000-2000 range, but I'm sure you can get a 5.1 Dolby AC3 encoder pretty cheap (I can even do it for free on my PC using AC3Filter)

Anyway, I wouldn't think a few thousand dollars of new equipment would have held you back for all this time. To me it sounds more like a priority issue. I think 5.1 should be near (if not at) the top of the priorities for 57 and 25.

Not that I'm defending HVS on this, but I think at this point the down economy has a lot to do with this. Please trust me when I say this but no one (I mean this in a business sense) is willing to give up any extra cash for anything right now.. This is why we haven't seen the new sub channels on 28 yet.. As long as no one's giving up any money for new equipment, I'm afraid were stuck with what we got for a while. I'd bet finding funds is on the top of HVS's todo list. Good luck with that HVS. LOL!

Okay so it sounds like Dolby E is a different codec than regular 5.1 Dolby AC3? Strange that the networks would do that when they know it's going to eventually be outputted in 5.1 Dolby AC3.

At the cheapest, it looks like the Dolby E decoder would be somewhere in the $1000-2000 range, but I'm sure you can get a 5.1 Dolby AC3 encoder pretty cheap (I can even do it for free on my PC using AC3Filter)

Anyway, I wouldn't think a few thousand dollars of new equipment would have held you back for all this time. To me it sounds more like a priority issue. I think 5.1 should be near (if not at) the top of the priorities for 57 and 25.

Dolby E is a pure digital stream that only qualified decoders handle. I believe (and don't quote me on this) that Dolby E is a more effecient way of audio distribution. As for pricing, the Dolby gear is pricier that that, at least the last time I ran across it. Sure there are 3rd party boxes out there that "may" work but we use Dolby's actual decoders/encoders for audio.

They also have to be able to switch it, meaning the master control has to support 5.1 as well. Who knows how much that costs.

- Trip
Which we have the ability.

Not that I'm defending HVS on this, but I think at this point the down economy has a lot to do with this. Please trust me when I say this but no one (I mean this in a business sense) is willing to give up any extra cash for anything right now.. This is why we haven't seen the new sub channels on 28 yet.. As long as no one's giving up any money for new equipment, I'm afraid were stuck with what we got for a while. I'd bet finding funds is on the top of HVS's todo list. Good luck with that HVS. LOL!

:)

Not that I'm defending HVS on this, but I think at this point the down economy has a lot to do with this. Please trust me when I say this but no one (I mean this in a business sense) is willing to give up any extra cash for anything right now.. This is why we haven't seen the new sub channels on 28 yet.. As long as no one's giving up any money for new equipment, I'm afraid were stuck with what we got for a while. I'd bet finding funds is on the top of HVS's todo list. Good luck with that HVS. LOL!

Of course the economy has to do with it, I'm not denying that. However, the economy was fine 3 years ago...

I guess I'm just saying, there should be a dedicated fund for saving money for this and it should be at the top of the to-do list as soon as there is enough money.

Unfortunately, what I'm guessing is over the last few years, money that could have gone to this has gone to other things instead of 5.1. As long as it's a top priority, I'm fine. I just have a hard time believing that with how long it's taken so far.

I don't know when it started, but I happen to get 46 last night and now I see they have added 46-2 to WHME. Not sure when this started, but anyone else getting this? Just curious.

Even WHME can get their subchannel going before WSJV. I noticed the new 46-2 here just a few days ago and was wondering myself how long its been on.

I got 46.2 several months ago, and then it was gone again for some time.

I'm a little disappointed at you guys. 46.2 went on last Thursday. It took you a week to notice.:confused:

As morphinapg mentioned, it was on before as an experiment and we took it down. Now we're testing again and hope to leave it on, but there are a few details to be resolved before it's permanant.

It is programming from our World Harvest Television, the same as DirecTV channel 367. At certain times of day it is a simulcast of 46.1.

I'm a little disappointed at you guys. 46.2 went on last Thursday. It took you a week to notice.:confused:

As morphinapg mentioned, it was on before as an experiment and we took it down. Now we're testing again and hope to leave it on, but there are a few details to be resolved before it's permanant.

It is programming from our World Harvest Television, the same as DirecTV channel 367. At certain times of day it is a simulcast of 46.1.

tv46engineer; Is 46-2 the same programming that used to be on channel 40.1 WHCH in Chesterton? The last i checked channel 40 was Jewelry Television but I remember when it used to be WHT programming. Is WHCH still owned by LeSEA?

I'm a little disappointed at you guys. 46.2 went on last Thursday. It took you a week to notice.:confused:
It wasn't that compelling ... :)

It is nice to have the option, especially for us without DirecTV.

As morphinapg mentioned, it was on before as an experiment and we took it down. Now we're testing again and hope to leave it on, but there are a few details to be resolved before it's permanant.
How about changing to channel 46?

It wasn't that compelling ... :)

It is nice to have the option, especially for us without DirecTV.

How about changing to channel 46?

I would post here, but you know about what I'm going to ask for anyway. :D

- Trip

I would post here, but you know about what I'm going to ask for anyway. :D
Yep ... I caught most of them last week but just caught 48 again. Check in about 15 minutes.

tv46engineer; Is 46-2 the same programming that used to be on channel 40.1 WHCH in Chesterton? The last i checked channel 40 was Jewelry Television but I remember when it used to be WHT programming. Is WHCH still owned by LeSEA?

Yes, it is the same programming that was on WHCH and yes, WHCH is still owned by Lesea. I do not know the thinking behind that change.

It wasn't that compelling ... :)

It is nice to have the option, especially for us without DirecTV.


How about changing to channel 46?

The switch back to 46 and increase in power is still in the works. You may not be aware that Lesea also owns stations in Indianapolis, New Orleans, Tulsa, Denver and Honolulu plus some low powers too. It's always a balancing act to figure out when things get done. Those decisions are made above my level. I don't know when the changes will happen in South Bend.

Do you some of you actually watch channel 46? I used to watch IU games on there before the B10 network came along. Now? Nothing... I was excited to see DirecTV added ABC57 HD last week though. That was some sweet love.

The switch back to 46 and increase in power is still in the works. You may not be aware that Lesea also owns stations in Indianapolis, New Orleans, Tulsa, Denver and Honolulu plus some low powers too. It's always a balancing act to figure out when things get done. Those decisions are made above my level. I don't know when the changes will happen in South Bend.

Not to mention the ones in Indianapolis and Denver also have permits to change channels.

- Trip

Do you some of you actually watch channel 46?
Apperently, but I'm not sure what. I always delete 46 from my on-screen guide to get the networks grouped together. I just looked and all I see is religious stuff & really old sitcoms. :confused:

WHAT? You don't watch the Lone Ranger and Tonto?

Yes, 30 years ago.

WHAT? You don't watch the Lone Ranger and Tonto?

I do. Lone Ranger, Green Acres, and Lassie.

I do. Lone Ranger, Green Acres, and Lassie.And don't forget "The Patty Duke Show" and what's that show that "I know nothing" about? Oh yeah, you can't forget "Hogan's Heroes" either lol :p :)

I did notice 46 added a sub channel, I just never got around to posting that I noticed it. :-)

Ok I got a question for you engineers. What is this all about and do you think it's going to be the big threat to OTA HD that EngadgetHD makes it out to be?

http://hd.engadget.com/2009/11/19/broadcasters-predictably-unsettled-about-fcc-taking-away-spectru/