All this talk of the stations and possible upcoming stations has me confused at this point LOL. Based on the last few pages here in goshen I should be getting 16.1-2, 22.1-3, 25.1-2, 28.1, 34.1-2, 46.1-2, 57.1. It sounds like 69.1 won't be possible? and talks of a couple new stations if i understood it right?I'm on the south side of Elkhart and get 69.1, so it may be possible but most of Goshen is outside the contour. RF doesn't stop at lines on a map so it is worth a try. Do you have a good outdoor antenna?

Don't know if anyone has noticed yet but were now airing HD syndication on WBND and now on WCWW.

Don't know if anyone has noticed yet but were now airing HD syndication on WBND and now on WCWW.

Nice!

With all these new changes, any chance for 5.1 yet?

Don't know if anyone has noticed yet but were now airing HD syndication on WBND and now on WCWW.

This is awesome news! Will this have any efect on any of the weekend movies that are often broadcast on 25? (Not counting the movies broadcast by the CW network.)

This is awesome news! Will this have any efect on any of the weekend movies that are often broadcast on 25? (Not counting the movies broadcast by the CW network.)

Possibly if they're offered in HD. It's still early, HD will increase over time as more programming is offered.

Nice!

With all these new changes, any chance for 5.1 yet?

Not at the moment, but not ruled out in the future.

I'm on the south side of Elkhart and get 69.1, so it may be possible but most of Goshen is outside the contour. RF doesn't stop at lines on a map so it is worth a try. Do you have a good outdoor antenna?

My parents can't get it either and they have an outdoor antenna. Would an amp on the line possibly help?

FYI: DISH is now testing a HD feed of WBND and a SD feed of WMYS. Neither are available to customers at this time.

BOTH Feeds are live


WMYS has not yet been linked to the OTA feed, so this doesn't help the missing EPG on 69-01 (that should be fixed when the channel becomes available).

I called DISH Tech Support to explain the 69-01 issue. You thing that 60-00 is live that 69-01 would now have a guide.


BTW: The EPG for 25-02 "THIS" being transmitted by DISH is still incorrect despite attempts to get DISH to fix it.

I'm not sure DISH can provide a guide since 25-02 does not have an OTA guide in this station.

If you hear anything, let me know.

BTW, a friend of mine said that Seinfeld was in HD on 25-01. But I watched it last night and How I Met Your Mother was in SD...

I'm not sure DISH can provide a guide since 25-02 does not have an OTA guide in this station.DISH does not get their guide data OTA ... they get it via Tribune Media Services. If Zap2It (and other online guides) can get the correct guide data for 25-2 then DISH can get it.

DISH even has a dedicated "channel" in their system (channel 15400) that exists to carry guide data for WCWW2. It is correctly mapped to WCWW's "TSID" (transport stream ID, which is 0x0D95) ... DISH has simply populated the guide with the wrong data. And for WMYS the correct guide data is there but DISH has failed to link it to WMYS' "TSID" (0x0d97), leaving the TSID blank in their guide data.

I'm sure DISH can provide the correct guide data ... they have simply failed to do so.

BTW, a friend of mine said that Seinfeld was in HD on 25-01. But I watched it last night and How I Met Your Mother was in SD...

Seinfeld was not originally in HD, so I'm sure the reruns won't be either. King of Queens was HD yesterday.

Is there anyone at DISH tech support that someone can contact to resolve these issues concerning 69-01 and EPG on 25-02?

Seinfeld was not originally in HD, so I'm sure the reruns won't be either. King of Queens was HD yesterday.

Seinfeld was shot on film and therefore available in HD.

I noticed yesterday that 25.2 now has PSIP guide data.

I noticed yesterday that 25.2 now has PSIP guide data.They must have just got it working ... it wasn't there when I checked a couple of days ago.

(DISH is still transmitting the wrong EPG for 26.2.)

They must have just got it working ... it wasn't there when I checked a couple of days ago.

(DISH is still transmitting the wrong EPG for 26.2.)

I'm still seeing the wrong programming here also..It's the same as 25.1

Titantv.com is listing programming for a network they are calling "ABC" on 57.2. There is no call sign listed for the sub-channel. The metvnetwork.com schedule says “All times in Eastern/Pacific,” but program times on titantv.com for 57.2 are one hour ahead in comparison. :confused:

Titantv.com is listing programming for a network they are calling "ABC" on 57.2. There is no call sign listed for the sub-channel. The metvnetwork.com schedule says “All times in Eastern/Pacific,” but program times on titantv.com for 57.2 are one hour ahead in comparison. :confused:Yep ... it looks like the schedule is adjusted for Central Time (subtract one hour) on Titan TV when it shouldn't be.
As noted earlier in the thread, the MeTV Network website (http://www.metvnetwork.com/wherewatch.php?market=South%20Bend%20-%20Elkhart) (not to be confused with metv.com which is under construction and apparently not legitimate) states:
You can watch Me-Too in South Bend - Elkhart on the following stations:
Over the air: WBND 57.2

Yep ... it looks like the schedule is adjusted for Central Time (subtract one hour) on Titan TV when it shouldn't be.
As noted earlier in the thread, the MeTV Network website (http://www.metvnetwork.com/wherewatch.php?market=South%20Bend%20-%20Elkhart) (not to be confused with metv.com which is under construction and apparently not legitimate) states:
You can watch Me-Too in South Bend - Elkhart on the following stations:
Over the air: WBND 57.2

It makes me wonder how TitanTV got the incomplete and incorrect information.

I apparently missed the post, but saw the "Where do I watch?" information for our area on metvnetwork.com a while back, maybe a week or two ago. I think they're just teasing us. :D

I apparently missed the post,December 17th. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=19662255#post19662255)

My only problem with that plan is 57 is the channel I have the biggest problem receiving (which is why I'm really happy to see 57.1 HD on DISH).

December 17th. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=19662255#post19662255)

My only problem with that plan is 57 is the channel I have the biggest problem receiving (which is why I'm really happy to see 57.1 HD on DISH).

I know what you’re saying. I have the most trouble with 16 when it’s windy. I sometimes wish I had analog to fall back on for severe weather coverage or ND home football games.

it makes me wonder how titantv got the incomplete and incorrect information.

I apparently missed the post, but saw the "where do i watch?" information for our area on metvnetwork.com a while back, maybe a week or two ago. I think they're just teasing us. :d

:)

:)The question is ... where is it?

Titan TV says it is there ...
The metvnetwork.com website says it is there on 57.2 ...
ABC57 posted on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/ABC57/posts/152393051474475) that it was there on December 15th.
(Which means Wikipedia says it is there and won't accept the truth.)

When will actual viewers see 57.2 ???

That's all I have to say. :D

Well looks like my new receiver didn't fix the video stuttering problem I see on 25.2 which I had hoped it would. Not a huge deal, especially since I can use my 360 to watch all channels stutter free. :-) However I did discover some very nice things about my new receiver that makes watching local channels that haven't yet upgraded to Dolby 5.1 even more enjoyable. My receiver can run in Dolby Pro Logic IIx mode, or alternatively I can use Harman's Logic 7 mode. Although true Dolby 5.1 would be more desirable, these modes do a pretty good job of filling in the gap where 5.1 is missing. :-)

I thought I was just seeing things but I noticed ch. 16 is not broadcasting 5.1. At first I thought it was my 360 but I found this was also true if I watched ch. 16 directly on Mediacenter. I was sure 16 was a 5.1 channel and it is. I checked a recording of Chuck and that did playback in 5.1. Do they only switch to 5.1 when it's available?

I thought I was just seeing things but I noticed ch. 16 is not broadcasting 5.1. At first I thought it was my 360 but I found this was also true if I watched ch. 16 directly on Mediacenter. I was sure 16 was a 5.1 channel and it is. I checked a recording of Chuck and that did playback in 5.1. Do they only switch to 5.1 when it's available?

Yes, they only broadcast 5.1 384kbps during the national HD streams. They switch back to 2.0 384kbps at other times (even during local news in HD).

The question is ... where is it?

Titan TV says it is there ...
The metvnetwork.com website says it is there on 57.2 ...
ABC57 posted on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/ABC57/posts/152393051474475) that it was there on December 15th.
(Which means Wikipedia says it is there and won't accept the truth.)

When will actual viewers see 57.2 ???

To add to the mystery, 57.2 has disappeared from the TitanTV grid. Is “And then there were none......” a reference to the Agatha Christie mystery novel by that name? Stay tuned folks... :D

To add to the mystery, 57.2 has disappeared from the TitanTV grid. Is “And then there were none......” a reference to the Agatha Christie mystery novel by that name? Stay tuned folks... :D

I was hinting at something that disappeared from the airwaves. 57-2 was not it.

I was hinting at something that disappeared from the airwaves. 57-2 was not it.25.2 THIS is still there ...

Are you referring to the analog 25/57/69 ? Or did I lose those trying to adjust my antenna for 57-2?

BTW: I scanned 49 for 57.2 ... no changes there.

25.2 THIS is still there ...

Are you referring to the analog 25/57/69 ? Or did I lose those trying to adjust my antenna for 57-2?

BTW: I scanned 49 for 57.2 ... no changes there.

You didn't loose the analogs, everybody did. :)

I was hinting at something that disappeared from the airwaves. 57-2 was not it.

Yes, I noticed. I think 25 was the last of the analogs I could receive.

I was hinting at something that disappeared from the airwaves. 57-2 was not it.

It a odd and kind of sad moment when I did a channel scan on my tv and there were no analogs to be found. However I'm also happy, no more having to go into my tv's settings and block the analogs back out. :-)

It a odd and kind of sad moment when I did a channel scan on my tv and there were no analogs to be found. However I'm also happy, no more having to go into my tv's settings and block the analogs back out. :-)Nothing "official" on WBND-LP and WCWW-LP yet ... The request to remain silent for WMYS-LP (as of 11-30-10) was filed 12-7 and noted it was silent due to the inability to get a power supply for the transmitter. When approved the STA can be extended but WMYS-LP will have to return to air by 11-30-11 or surrender it's license. WBND-LP and WCWW-LP apparently went silent 12-28? They too will have the year to get back on the air (with the appropriate filings).

Since all three stations have digital companions I wonder when the FCC will simply pull the plug. Silent STAs are generally granted but at some point the analogs will have to leave the air. Why not now? (BTW: I know some people who should be happy to see WMYS-LP silent as it was interfering with their repeater system.)

The other LP in the market, WEID (formerly W18CF TBN Elkhart) was displaced by WISE-DT Fort Wayne and will never return to the air as an analog. They are now owned by Daystar and have asked for digital service on 16, moving their facility to a cell tower on Ash Rd near the St Joesph River (instead of CR 7, Elkhart). That leave WYGN Berrien Springs (10) as the last analog in the South Bend market.

That's all I have to say. :D

Because there is NOTHING more to say. The immediate South Bend area is now analog-free OTA!

Holy macro-blocking! Happy new year! I have Dick Clark's new years celebration and man did the confetti make the screen a moment that would have made the Lego company proud. :-)

Holy macro-blocking! Happy new year! I have Dick Clark's new years celebration and man did the confetti make the screen a moment that would have made the Lego company proud. :-)

I don't think there's a confetti-proof option for encoders yet. :D

I don't think there's a confetti-proof option for encoders yet. :D

Somehow I don't think ABC's using their best equipment either. I noticed things were all grainy and blocky, but the second they cut to a commercial, everything was clear. Of course being that they are shooting live at night probably doesn't help at all either. Oh well, the grainy imagery didn't stop me from enjoying the Jenny McCarthy show.. Um.. I mean New Year's Eve festivities anyway. :-)

Today 69.1 has the MeTV logo on the screen, and some of the programming has changed, according to the guide data I have.

Today 69.1 has the MeTV logo on the screen, and some of the programming has changed, according to the guide data I have.

The ZAP2it, TV Guide, TitanTV, and mymichianatv.com online guides look like they have the correct programming information for 69.1. The PSIP guide data is incorrect, however.

The ZAP2it, TV Guide, TitanTV, and mymichianatv.com online guides look like they have the correct programming information for 69.1. The PSIP guide data is incorrect, however.

Should be better now.

I'm so confused about 69's identity crisis. Sometimes it's Me, sometimes it's My.. God forbid if it also becomes MeToo! ROFL!

I'm so confused about 69's identity crisis. Sometimes it's Me, sometimes it's My.. God forbid if it also becomes MeToo! ROFL!

I just close my eyes and look the other way. :D

I'm so confused about 69's identity crisis. Sometimes it's Me, sometimes it's My.. God forbid if it also becomes MeToo! ROFL!
Watching MeTV logo'd MASH ... I just saw a promo for Hogans Heroes "Weekdays at 6pm/5 central on MeTV."

If MeTV is put on 57.2 it would duplicate the 69.1 feed at certain hours ... but there is a lot of separate content.

Should be better now.

Thanks. The guide info is looking better.

Are you able to comment on any plans for Me, My, 57.2, or whatever we are or will be seeing in the near future?

Should be better now.

I spoke too soon. The guide data seemed OK yesterday. Today, we are back to the old guide without MeTV data.

Thanks. The guide info is looking better.

Are you able to comment on any plans for Me, My, 57.2, or whatever we are or will be seeing in the near future?

Nothing really to comment on. It's in the growing stage. Not quite ready for harvest.

Nothing really to comment on. It's in the growing stage. Not quite ready for harvest.

I was under the impression that this was the throw spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks stage. :-)

Good to see that WBND will be doing local news here in Michiana!! Also, glad to hear it will be in hd to start. I'm hoping that this will push Fox 28 to finally make the jump to HD. Has anybody heard when the newscast will start?

Good to see that WBND will be doing local news here in Michiana!! Also, glad to hear it will be in hd to start. I'm hoping that this will push Fox 28 to finally make the jump to HD. Has anybody heard when the newscast will start?

Late Winter/Early Spring

I was under the impression that this was the throw spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks stage. :-)

That concept has given me some gray hairs!

I see Zap2It (Tribune Media Services) is now showing guide listings for 57.2 MeTV. This popped up as I was surfing channels on Windows Mediacenter, but nothing is being broadcast on that channel yet. The current guide listing for 3:00 PM shows The Big Valley but at 4:00 PM both 57.2 and 69.1 show Rawhide.

I think it's a given that 57.2 will become the full on MeTV channel. Will 69.1 just become a full on MyNetwork channel, continue to carry MeTV content as well, or carry MeToo as well? I can't imagine both channels will carry the same programming for very long.

When does that new commercial law go into effect? My house mate was watching the game on Fox 28 directly across from my room. Every time the commercials came on it was as though he cranked up his speakers to the point they were distorting. The second the game was back on it was just at a comfortable level. That really stinks for me especially if I'm trying to watch a movie in peace. Unfortunately I can't get him to wear headphones. My new sound system can easily be turned up louder than his but then that would be a problem for his wife. I wish there was a way to enable Dolby Volume on his setup, that would certainly fix this issue. Otherwise I just wish 28 would cool it with the loud commercials.

The law took effect on Dec. 15, 2010, but the broadcasters have one year to fully implement it.

The law took effect on Dec. 15, 2010, but the broadcasters have one year to fully implement it.

Not soon enough. LOL!

I have a question for those of us with AVR's. I've noticed if I tune into channels like 28 when they aren't broadcasting 5.1 that the AVR kicks into Dolby PL IIx mode (2 channel audio) DS on. Other channels like 25 that are not multi channel show DS Off. Is DS Dolby Surround? I still hear audio from all of my speakers which I believe is where the DPL IIX comes in regardless. I just have no idea of what the distinction is unless DS On only comes on with channels that broadcast Dolby Digital.

My thinking is DS On is decoding actual Dolby Surround, and DS Off is more of a virtual surround. Is that right?

The law took effect on Dec. 15, 2010, but the broadcasters have one year to fully implement it.

I'm curious what the law actually details for volume. The commercials can have the same volume as the average center speaker volume on the tv show, only have that volume in all 5 speakers and it still ends up sounding tons louder than the show, since the show is typically quieter in the other channels.

I'm curious what the law actually details for volume. The commercials can have the same volume as the average center speaker volume on the tv show, only have that volume in all 5 speakers and it still ends up sounding tons louder than the show, since the show is typically quieter in the other channels.

I hear ya there. In theory if Billy Mayes was still alive he could sneak up behind you on your surround speakers and yell his pitch at you. Now that would make for a really rude awakening!

Has anyone else noticed intermittent freeze-ups on 25.1, 25.2, 57.1, and 69.1? All freeze at the same time. I first noticed it yesterday evening. As of this afternoon, it is still occurring on two TVs using separate antennas. :eek:

Has anyone else noticed intermittent freeze-ups on 25.1, 25.2, 57.1, and 69.1? All freeze at the same time. I first noticed it yesterday evening. As of this afternoon, it is still occurring on two TVs using separate antennas. :eek:

Yep, noticed. Problem is on our end.

Yep, noticed. Problem is on our end.

Looks like the problem got a lot worse. I noticed the freezes a couple of hours ago. Now I'm not seeing anything on those channels. However Mediacenter is still showing a good signal on them.

Last night was not a good night for 25.1 and 57.1...

Does anyone have any info on WCWW and WBND? I heard they ceased over-the-air operations. I also heard that WBND was starting up a news operation. Can someone shed some light on this? Are they still on cable while they're off the air? Thanks.

Does anyone have any info on WCWW and WBND? I heard they ceased over-the-air operations. I also heard that WBND was starting up a news operation. Can someone shed some light on this? Are they still on cable while they're off the air? Thanks.

Those stations didn't cease digital over the air operations, only their analog channels were dropped. I do not watch cable television, but I do know these channels are carried in the digital format.

As for WBND's news operations, please check out the fallowing article.

http://www.allbusiness.com/entertainment-arts/broadcasting-industry-television/15369379-1.html

All 3 channels did recently have a service disruption, but service had been restored since.

That's what I must have heard about. Now I wonder if there's going to be a power increase for WBND. Two million bucks is a lot to spend on a low power station.

That's what I must have heard about. Now I wonder if there's going to be a power increase for WBND. Two million bucks is a lot to spend on a low power station.

No need to wonder; since WBND-LD is already at the FCC power limit, there will not be a power increase. :)

- Trip

That's what I must have heard about. Now I wonder if there's going to be a power increase for WBND. Two million bucks is a lot to spend on a low power station.It is a good investment. A couple of years ago WSBT tried to buy the three LPs for 22 million but the FCC failed to approve the transfer by the deal's deadline. It is good to see some money invested to make the stations better.

Even as an LP, WBND has carriage via Comcast, DISH and DirecTV ... in HD on all three systems. I bet most of the people in the market don't know it is a LP.

What happened to WNIT?
They switched the national hi def feed form 34.1 to 34.2, switched it to the low def channel, then chopped off the sides of the 16:9 image. WHAT?

Then they put a 4:3 letter boxed image of the 16:9 material on the 16:9 34.1 channel. Giving a 34.1 low low def image.

I expect it's a money thing, I will miss WNIT

A very sad day when whomever decided to cancel WNITs hi def broadcasting.

(I think that there is 1 or 2 hours in prime time when hi-def is broadcast on 34.1, but that's it)

What happened to WNIT?
They switched the national hi def feed form 34.1 to 34.2, switched it to the low def channel, then chopped off the sides of the 16:9 image. WHAT?

Then they put a 4:3 letter boxed image of the 16:9 material on the 16:9 34.1 channel. Giving a 34.1 low low def image.

I expect it's a money thing, I will miss WNIT

A very sad day when whomever decided to cancel WNITs hi def broadcasting.

(I think that there is 1 or 2 hours in prime time when hi-def is broadcast on 34.1, but that's it)

I haven't checked WNIT yet as I'm out and about right now. However WNIT mixes up their own programing with the HD feed on 34.1. They have been doing this for a while now. I really irks me when I want to see an HD show like Nature on the HD channel only to be cut down to standard def. Happens all the time.

If I had a deep fringe UHF antenna pointed at South Bend, I'd like to check that out myself. I know when regular programming ended on the locally programmed WNIT, they'd simulcast the national feed on that channel, & the sides would be chopped off on 16:9 programs. I would see this when I was fortunate to pick up WNIT in Gary (get WSBT almost every night with my current antenna pointed at Chicago). Now I always thought WYIN was cheap with their PBS station, but it sounds to me like WNIT is more cheap than WYIN is. At least they have HD programming on their station, though the locally produced programs are still in SD. Even WYIN's 2 SD channels are 16:9 instead of 4:3, but only 1 channel has separate programming (PBS Kids Go channel, locally programmed).

I'll check WNIT when Nature is on both 34.1 & .2 at 8.

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It is now 8 and Nature is showing widescreen HD on 34.1 and 4.3 on 34.2.

I know when regular programming ended on the locally programmed WNIT, they'd simulcast the national feed on that channel, & the sides would be chopped off on 16:9 programs. I would see this when I was fortunate to pick up WNIT in Gary (get WSBT almost every night with my current antenna pointed at Chicago).WNIT had a national HD feed 24/7 on 34.1 and their local SD feed on 34.2. When the local program was not in HD they would often carry alternate programming, in HD, on the 34.1 feed. During prime viewing hours the HD and SD matched - at other times it gave people a choice.

This change may be a step toward doing something 24/7 different. All the other channels in the market have gone to centercut SD via satellite and cable so it fits in with the market.

I'm not receiving RF 35 at the moment ... I'll check it out the channel as soon as I figure out why my reception is out.

The programming is split OTA at the moment ... "Pioneers of Television" on 34.1 and "Austin City Limits" on 34.2. 34.1 remains HD (although the current program is a letterboxed SD program upconverted ... "postage stamp").

The OTA EPG is correct ... DISH's is wrong. They are now transmitting a crop of the HD feed (they used to transmit the SD feed) and have the .1 EPG on both .1 and .2.

TSID: 1149 (0x047d) NTSC: 34 ATSC: 35 IN SOUTH BEND

Service Name: WNIT-HD
Channel Number: 34.1
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 1920 x 1080i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0
AC3: Bitrate 384 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 3/2 5 L, C, R, SL, SR

Service Name: WNIT-SD
Channel Number: 34.2
MPEG Video: Bitrate 3.900 Mbps Resolution 720 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R

"although the current program is a letterboxed SD program upconverted ... "postage stamp"

34.1
Yes, the non-kid programs which are rebroadcast in the afternoon and late evening are this way, no more hi-def on the hi-def channel except prime time or kid time.

Does the PBS net pay for these, or perhaps there's a discount?

There's nothing more mine boggling than seeing a shrunk 16:9 picture with letter boxes on all 4 sides on a hi def channel.

I assume it is a money issue, but considering the new studio and thousands on a 30 foot TV display over the bldg entrance, I'd think they could afford to broadcast hi def. :(

I guess I should be glad they are on the air at all. It cannot be easy.

Too bad we can't install a relay on the hill in new carlise to get WTTW's ch47 signal here. It may come to that...

"although the current program is a letterboxed SD program upconverted ... "postage stamp"

34.1
Yes, the non-kid programs which are rebroadcast in the afternoon and late evening are this way, no more hi-def on the hi-def channel except prime time or kid time.

Does the PBS net pay for these, or perhaps there's a discount?

There's nothing more mine boggling than seeing a shrunk 16:9 picture with letter boxes on all 4 sides on a hi def channel.

I assume it is a money issue, but considering the new studio and thousands on a 30 foot TV display over the bldg entrance, I'd think they could afford to broadcast hi def. :(

I guess I should be glad they are on the air at all. It cannot be easy.

Too bad we can't install a relay on the hill in new carlise to get WTTW's ch47 signal here. It may come to that...


I thought WSBT donated the equipment that they left when they donated their old facility to WNIT. I'm sure there had to have been some high definition equipment available to even broadcast an HD channel. I just wonder how much bandwidth is actually being set aside for 34.1 & to have some remaining for 34.2. I know WYCC in Chicago likes to downconvert Americas Test Kitchen's HD program to have letterboxing on that program. WYIN in Merrillville (licensed to Gary) also does the same thing with promos (only the broadcast equipment is HD, while in studio equipment is not) as well as New Scandanavian Cooking (they do it to another show as well, but don't remember which one).

I don't know if anyone can get WTTW in the South Bend area. At least for those who can pickup their signal, can also get WTTW Prime, Create, & for the Spanish speakers, V-Me. WTTW's subchannels are 4:3 channels, & sometimes on WTTW Prime, they forget to letterbox HD programs, & the sides get chopped off. WTTW 11 & WTTW Prime are programmed in-house, while Create & V-Me are satellite fed. I agree that WTTW is a great PBS station, & if you'relucky to get them, then you have additional choices besides the HD PBS that comes from the network itself, & what WNIT programs locally. I personally like WTTW Prime & Create the most from WTTW.

I just wonder how much bandwidth is actually being set aside for 34.1 & to have some remaining for 34.2.See post two posts above yours. :)

Only WCWW uses more bandwidth for their HD feed (14 MBps). WBND is close at 13.3 Mbps ... all other South Bend market HD feeds are less bandwidth.

I live on the South end of South Bend... (Around Ireland Rd. & Michigan St.)
Is it feasible to put up a deep fringe antenna to pick up Chicago digital stations over the air? I've been told they're too far. Is there an expert who can confirm this?
Thanks
Maxdout38

I live on the South end of South Bend... (Around Ireland Rd. & Michigan St.)
Is it feasible to put up a deep fringe antenna to pick up Chicago digital stations over the air? I've been told they're too far. Is there an expert who can confirm this?
Thanks
Maxdout38

According to TV Fool for the intersection you mentioned, it is possible, but won't be easy to get. Do you have a tower to place this antenna on, or have a very high roof? If no to either, it not even be worth trying. Even for stations you could get, WCIU won't be possible since WCWW is also on RF 27. WYCC would be nearly impossible due to most of the signal being aimed SW of Chicago. Even WYIN can't easily be picked up, due to their signal being directional toward Chicago. They have their null toward South Bend to protect WNDU's former analog signal on RF 16, & WYIN never requested to remove that null, or their null toward Lafayette, which protected WLFI's former analog signal.

Just remember if you do decide to put up a deep fringe antenna, make sure no pre-amp is on if you decide to use that antenna for South Bend stations as well. You're way too close to the towers, & a pre-amp would overload them. I'd recommend a separate UHF antenna just for the South bend stations, & if you get a deep fringe antenna, make sure it has Hi-VHF on it (WBBM-TV on RF 12 will soon be the only full power VHF in Chicago), or if you wanna try & get WGVK Kalamazoo, then one that is also made for Lo-VHF, since WGVK is on RF 5.

I just watched this weeks Human Target on Fox 28 and I gotta say I was blown away (no pun intended) by the soundtrack and sound effects on this show. Human Target's soundtrack was always fantastic. (Bear McCreary is awesome!) However the sound effects really stood out in this episode. I'm not sure what changed. Granted this is the first episode I've seen of season 2 and maybe the other episodes sound as good. I can tell you if you want to show off your surround sound system, the latest episode would be a good one to show it off.

Ok, I stand corrected. What I watched was last weeks episode of Human Target. There's still an episode on tonight. I can't wait, I love this show!

I discovered something odd with 28's audio. When I watched Monday's Human Target the stereo audio is perfect. Of course that episode broadcast with Dolby digital in tact. However tonight's episode dropped down to stereo as 28 broadcast it's crawl. The problem is when I put my headphones on the stereo channels were reversed. I'm re-watching Monday's episode with my headphones and the stereo playback sounds correct.

Has anyone else noticed reversed stereo tracks on 28 when they aren't broadcasting 5.1?

Please see my email to DISH Tech Support:

I really don't think anyone understands this issue:

Here is My questions:

I have 2 issues.

1. We receive in South Bend 25.2 THIS Michiana (OTA). I was told the electronic programming guide was available for this channel. In my guide of the VIP622 it is showing 25.1 programming (Not the correct programming).

2. We recently received an SD version of channel 69 (WMYS) here is South Bend. I am receiving the guide on this channel, but on my 69.1 (OTA same Channel) I receive NO programming information.

I've inquired about these issues by phone, but seem to get nowhere.

Can we get these issues resolved?

Thank you from a loyal DISH customer.

Here is DISH's answer:

Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

The steps outlined below should resolve the issue.

1.) Check that the wiring between your DISH receiver and your over-the-air antenna is configured properly using tech.dishnetwork.com.

2.) Unplug the DISH receiver for 10 seconds and plug back in. It may take up to 5 minutes for the reset process to be completed.

3.) Rescan Over-the-Air Channels to Receiver Access "Local Channels" select "Scan Locals" then "Save".

4.) Contact your local broadcast station or check antennaweb.org. We are a satellite TV provider and have no control over availability/quality of over-the-air broadcasts.

Please visit dishnetwork.com/chat to start a live chat for additional assistance. If chat is unavailable due to high volume please call 1-800-894-9131.

Thank you for your email.

Sincerely,

Debbie 3KK

Where do I go from here? There was a technician as my house on Saturday who put up a new dish that points to the eastern arc. (I now only need (1) Dish).

Anyone have any suggestions?

Maxdout38

I've been trying to get DISH to fix the THIS TV issue since September, the WMYS problem since December and the new WNIT problem for the past couple of weeks.

I'm beginning to wonder if there is intelligent life responding to the emails. Always blaming something that is not the problem, cannot be the problem and has nothing to do with the problem. With all due respect (if any is due), we're dealing with morons. Trained to politely placate the customer but with no real power to get things done.

While we are talking about DISH-TV I have a question. Does the 722 receiver receive all locals if you have a UHF antenna hooked up to it and can you use the 722 to record those channels that are directly off the air?
Jim

While we are talking about DISH-TV I have a question. Does the 722 receiver receive all locals if you have a UHF antenna hooked up to it and can you use the 722 to record those channels that are directly off the air?
JimYes on both counts. The basic 622 or 722 has a single ATSC tuner built in. One can record a single ATSC feed at the same time as recording two other feeds (HD or SD) via the satellite service.

The improved version, the 722k, has a separate tuner module that must be purchased but gives you two ATSC tuners, allowing two OTA recordings at the same time (plus the two satellite recordings).

What is the deal with the transmission on 57.1?

What is the deal with the transmission on 57.1?

Equipment gone wild!!!

I thought I'd hit up Wikipedia to see what's going on with channel 18 here in Elkhart. Looks like it's going to raise from the dead and occupy ch 16's old home. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WEID-LP

I thought I'd hit up Wikipedia to see what's going on with channel 18 here in Elkhart. Looks like it's going to raise from the dead and occupy ch 16's old home. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WEID-LPI thought that was already mentioned here. The application was approved January 25th. The construction permit puts the new antenna on a tower on the county line at the St Joseph river. Hopefully they can get it built.

I thought that was already mentioned here. The application was approved January 25th. The construction permit puts the new antenna on a tower on the county line at the St Joseph river. Hopefully they can get it built.

Hmmm I may have overlooked that. Oh well!

Titan TV’s listings and the PSIP guide info for 25.2 appear to be on Pacific Time.

Titan TV’s listings and the PSIP guide info for 25.2 appear to be on Pacific Time.

25.2’s Titan and PSIP EPG are back to Pacific Time again.:confused:

25.2’s Titan and PSIP EPGs are back to Pacific Time once again.

So much for watching the Oscars. WBND 57 just croaked on me.

I just did a signal scan on channel 57 from within Windows Media Center. the signal is definitely in the dumps. I see two red bars which is typical for just about dead.

It never skipped a beat here.

It never skipped a beat here.

Are you watching over cable or broadcast?

It's working on both OTA & Directv.

Now I'm worried. I just hooked the outdoor directly to the tv and it's playing perfect. This is really odd since the red carpet show was near perfect. Then things started degrading during the first half hour of the Oscars for me.. I decided to reboot my computer and couldn't get channel 57 since.. I'll try re-running channel setup in Mediacenter and see what happens.

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Can coax cables go bad? All I did was replace the coax cable between the wall and the splitter and my signal strength returned to normal. It just seems odd that it just suddenly seemed to die just as the Oscars just got started. Weird! Just would like to add, yes the old coax cable was screwed on tight on both ends. I was starting to feel discouraged because I did find when I disconnected the outdoor antenna from my radio my signal would come back. I just thought it wouldn't hurt to try swapping out the cable between the wall and the splitter. Well anyway I'm happy. I would have been pretty upset if I couldn't record V on Tuesday, especially since someone somewhere in the network thought it was a great idea to not allow V to be watchable online.

Speaking of ABC57, Uverse has horrible problems with it. First off, the black levels (and possibly white levels as well) are way off, plus when listening through HDMI or optical out, the audio drops for a split second all the time, like several times per minute. I haven't really noticed the these problems on any other channel. I almost want to switch to OTA for ABC57 but I prefer to skip commercials.

This is probably coincidence but I discovered after replacing that coax cable that 95.3 WTRC FM MNC is now broadcasting the HD Radio format. I wonder if this just started, or if that cable was causing the signal to degrade enough to prevent HD Radio from working. This didn't prevent 88.1 WVPE's HD Radio broadcast from working, but I think that station is closer anyway. Before WAOR changed stations, WAOR was broadcasting HD Radio on 95.3. I wonder if this was working all along, or did they just throw the switch on this?

25.2’s Titan and PSIP EPGs are back to Pacific Time once again.

Being addressed.

Being addressed.

69.1's PSIP EPG has reverted to a pre-October program schedule with generic program descriptions for programs that are no longer on. It had been perfect for weeks and seemed to be using the Titan schedule and descriptions. :(

25.2's Titan and PSIP EPGs are back to UTC -05:00 today. :cool:

69.1's PSIP EPG has reverted to a pre-October program schedule with generic program descriptions for programs that are no longer on. It had been perfect for weeks and seemed to be using the Titan schedule and descriptions. :(

25.2's Titan and PSIP EPGs are back to UTC -05:00 today. :cool:

69.1's PSIP EPG is back to the pre-October schedule again. 25.2/Titan have been OK since Sunday.

Being addressed.

What is is up with the PSIP EPG on 69.1?

What is is up with the PSIP EPG on 69.1?Kind of asked and answered. It would appear there's a recurring issue. Rather than post redundant questions about it, call the station. Squeaky wheel and all that.

Kind of asked and answered. It would appear there's a recurring issue. Rather than post redundant questions about it, call the station. Squeaky wheel and all that.

I have been attempting to address the issue in this thread because there is an engineer who monitors the posts here. I think he is a good guy and I don't want to stir up trouble, so I haven’t called the station. My efforts are solely intended to assist the broadcaster in recognizing and fixing the recurring problem for the benefit of all viewers in the local market.

A permanent fix probably wouldn’t hurt the station’s reputation, either. I’m sure others must be scratching their heads when they look at the EPG information on their TVs and STBs. As a “cable cutter,” I am grateful to this broadcaster and the aforementioned engineer for their fine work in bringing great programming to our area. It is just a bit frustrating to see bad EPG data when I know that the correct data is available. I guess it’s just my IT mentality…

With daylight savings time kicking in tomorrow, I suspect EPG data is going to get even more complicated. I'm so glad I don't have to rely on broadcast EPG data anymore since I get it through Tribune Media's Zap2It service within Windows Mediacenter. However I feel for everybody else because I've had to suffer with incorrect OTA EPG data in the past. It's no picnic, especially if you rely on it to be correct when you use it on your DVR.

With daylight savings time kicking in tomorrow, I suspect EPG data is going to get even more complicated. I'm so glad I don't have to rely on broadcast EPG data anymore since I get it through Tribune Media's Zap2It service within Windows Mediacenter. However I feel for everybody else because I've had to suffer with incorrect OTA EPG data in the past. It's no picnic, especially if you rely on it to be correct when you use it on your DVR.

I've been using zap2it.com to figure out what's on. titantv.com is OK too - when they have 25.2 on Eastern Time.

I don't know about Weigel stations in South Bend, but I know WCIU will be an hour off in the morning, as they're always late at correcting their EPG. I believe the same thing happens to sister station WWME-LD as well. Last I remember, the programming portion of the South Bend stations are handled at WCIU studios in Chicago. So unless that's changed, then it might be a problem in South Bend as well tomorrow.

I don't know about Weigel stations in South Bend, but I know WCIU will be an hour off in the morning, as they're always late at correcting their EPG. I believe the same thing happens to sister station WWME-LD as well. Last I remember, the programming portion of the South Bend stations are handled at WCIU studios in Chicago. So unless that's changed, then it might be a problem in South Bend as well tomorrow.

Yes, I believe the South Bend stations have had short-lived EPG issues following time changes in the past and I would expect a brief period of confusion this time as well.

All the SB stations are airing the correct time UTC at the moment (OK, the three Weigel stations are 3:37 minutes fast - but not the wrong hour).

...(OK, the three Weigel stations are 3:37 minutes fast - but not the wrong hour).

One wonders...

Note to Weigel:

69.1 has not carried The Honeymooners at 1:00 PM ET weekdays since around last September. Honeymooners was replaced by Adams Family and Munsters in October. Gunsmoke is what's on today.

One wonders...

Note to Weigel:

69.1 has not carried The Honeymooners at 1:00 PM ET since around last September. Honeymooners was replaced by Adams Family and Munsters in October. Gunsmoke is what's on today.

One wonders...

It's got a mind of its own. They're working out the bugs in their software.

It's got a mind of its own. They're working out the bugs in their software.One could air Howdy Doody ... although one might not want to ask "what time is it" of the PSIP. :D

It's got a mind of its own. They're working out the bugs in their software.

Software gone wild! Thanks for the update.

Ch 69 died on me all together. I even tried to re-scan from my tv but that was a no go. Reception is fantastic on all other channels. Is 69 down?

Ch 69 died on me all together. I even tried to re-scan from my tv but that was a no go. Reception is fantastic on all other channels. Is 69 down?

I think it went down last night. Antenna signal meter is at 0% here.

I think it went down last night. Antenna signal meter is at 0% here.

Yeah I had no signal last night either. I'm glad it's not my equipment this time.

Ch 69 died on me all together. I even tried to re-scan from my tv but that was a no go. Reception is fantastic on all other channels. Is 69 down?

Transmitter is down. Replacement parts on their way.

Transmitter is down. Replacement parts on their way.

Back on.

One could air Howdy Doody ... although one might not want to ask "what time is it" of the PSIP. :D

So much for syncing to a NTP server. Time should be better now.

Back on.

I just verified, looks good!

So much for syncing to a NTP server. Time should be better now.Much better. :)

Has anybody heard anything on the status of wbnd doing local newscasts? I thought they were suppose to be doing them by now.

Has anybody heard anything on the status of wbnd doing local newscasts? I thought they were suppose to be doing them by now.

That last I remember hearing, sometime later in the fall. They still got lots to do like building out the newsroom and hiring staff.

Has anybody heard anything on the status of wbnd doing local newscasts? I thought they were suppose to be doing them by now.

Soon, very soon.

The last public comment (other than the post above mine) was "late winter, early spring". The new building is there ... tucked away on the north side of South Bend. The old office still has signs up.

The last public comment (other than the post above mine) was "late winter, early spring". The new building is there ... tucked away on the north side of South Bend. The old office still has signs up.
Without giving too much away, you don't have much longer to wait. :D

Has anybody heard anything on the status of wbnd doing local newscasts? I thought they were suppose to be doing them by now.

Anybody notice anything yet? ;)

Anybody notice anything yet? ;)
Very nice ... but I wouldn't have known unless I would have seen your post.

I checked out the ABC 57 news (11:00 pm) and it looked nice! I can tell they are still fleshing things out. Something I thought did not work well was one of the reporters reporting inside a noisy bar. I honestly couldn't hear what she was saying over the bar noise. If I focus on what she's saying I probably could understand what she was saying, but the noise was just too darn distracting.

I don't know anything about what go's on behind the scenes in a newsroom, but I suspect they had issues with their teleprompter. I noticed a couple of awkward pauses and an occasional stumble like they had a difficult time reading it. Maybe it's just first week jitters, but i suspect their teleprompter wasn't playing nice. :-)

On Monday night's the live report had no live sound from the reporter. The prepared tape worked with sound but the reporter's live part before and after was silent. The odd part was that the studio anchor seemed oblivious to the error. No apology, no comment not even an awkward look on her face. I'm wondering of the studio people heard the reporter and only the folks at home missed out.

On Tuesday night I saw the pre-game bar coverage with a live reporter outside tossing to a live reporter inside and things seemed to work better except the inside reporter seemed to be on a Skype quality connection.

To be fair, I saw another station's bar coverage and they had a reporter so overlit that she was washed out. Live remotes are "fun" ... and while zero errors is nice errors are just part of "live television".

The saddest part of Tuesday's coverage was the story itself. A heartbreaking loss followed by reporters sticking their cameras in people's faces to record how they felt just minutes later. Reporters doing their job - and with the game ending at 11pm there was no time for a time out before recording but I wish it was avoidable.

I checked out the ABC 57 news (11:00 pm) and it looked nice! I can tell they are still fleshing things out. Something I thought did not work well was one of the reporters reporting inside a noisy bar. I honestly couldn't hear what she was saying over the bar noise. If I focus on what she's saying I probably could understand what she was saying, but the noise was just too darn distracting.

I don't know anything about what go's on behind the scenes in a newsroom, but I suspect they had issues with their teleprompter. I noticed a couple of awkward pauses and an occasional stumble like they had a difficult time reading it. Maybe it's just first week jitters, but i suspect their teleprompter wasn't playing nice. :-)

Yeah, still working out some bugs that, unfortunately, come with the latest technology.

Hey HVS. You ought to share this with the new news crew. :-)

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Hey HVS. You ought to share this with the new news crew. :-)I don't think that app passed the smell test. :eek:

Thank God it's....

http://www.hulu.com/watch/229352/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-stephen-colbert-sings-friday-with-the-roots?c=0%3A0

The sad thing is even this looks better at 480 than 16 does. But you know they'll hang on to that standard def channel that grandma is watching on her dinosaur of a tv.

What I mean is it doesn't turn into a game of tetris on the second half of the video. :-)

Hey HVS. You ought to share this with the new news crew. :-)


That is waaaay too funny!

Is there supposed to be a channel 57.2? On my QAM tuner on media center I get 57.2 with a guide of shows listed on it, but when I click it I get "scrambled video" though I can hear audio, but just a looping segment of music.

Is there supposed to be a channel 57.2? On my QAM tuner on media center I get 57.2 with a guide of shows listed on it, but when I click it I get "scrambled video" though I can hear audio, but just a looping segment of music."Supposed to be" is a good question ... ABC57 announced the channel on their Facebook page months ago but as far as the OTA signal is concerned, there is still no 57.2.

"Supposed to be" is a good question ... ABC57 announced the channel on their Facebook page months ago but as far as the OTA signal is concerned, there is still no 57.2.

I'm sorry, was I supposed to wire that up? :D

Is 69 having problems again? I do have a signal, but barely.

I'm sorry, was I supposed to wire that up? :DNot without a work order. Avoid verbal orders. :)

Is 69 having problems again? I do have a signal, but barely.

Can't see any issues on our end.

Can't see any issues on our end.

That's ok. It was another one of my cables causing problems.

Can't see any issues on our end.

Any chance of 69 analog going back on the air? I stay on one of the lakes around North Webster in the Summer and have always enjoyed 69, but can't get digital 69.

Any chance of 69 analog going back on the air? I stay on one of the lakes around North Webster in the Summer and have always enjoyed 69, but get digital 69.

0% chance, sorry.

Smallville was a mess last night. It looked like bad reception as the video would freeze, get blocky and became in-audible. I checked 25's reception in Mediacenter and so full bars in the green. Did any one else have a similar experience?

Smallville was a mess last night. It looked like bad reception as the video would freeze, get blocky and became in-audible. I checked 25's reception in Mediacenter and so full bars in the green. Did any one else have a similar experience?

Mine came in just fine through Comcast QAM. Don't even remember any audio dropouts like usual.

Smallville was a mess last night. It looked like bad reception as the video would freeze, get blocky and became in-audible. I checked 25's reception in Mediacenter and so full bars in the green. Did any one else have a similar experience?

Yes the same thing happened for me. Antenna signal strength was where it always is too, around 95.

Smallville was a mess last night. It looked like bad reception as the video would freeze, get blocky and became in-audible. I checked 25's reception in Mediacenter and so full bars in the green. Did any one else have a similar experience?

I didn't watch Smallville, but I have seen this on 25 and 69 both the last couple days.

Has anyone who has Directv been watching WBND?
Last night i recorded both WBND and WNDU's 6:30 PM hour long special newscasts.
WBND's picture was pixelating, breaking up and several times the screen went blank while i was watching it. I've noticed the problem several times on WBND.
WNDU's picture was fine during that hour. No problems at all.
I've never seen the problem on WSBT or WNIT.

Has anyone who has Directv been watching WBND?
Last night i recorded both WBND and WNDU's 6:30 PM hour long special newscasts.
WBND's picture was pixelating, breaking up and several times the screen went blank while i was watching it. I've noticed the problem several times on WBND.
WNDU's picture was fine during that hour. No problems at all.
I've never seen the problem on WSBT or WNIT.

WBND has been cutting out for 2 day (at least). I have DISH and OTA and the station has been bad all day on Monday & Tuesday (5/2 & 5/3)

WBND has been cutting out for 2 day (at least). I have DISH and OTA and the station has been bad all day on Monday & Tuesday (5/2 & 5/3)


I noticed that WBND has been stable on DISH since this last reply.

I noticed that WBND has been stable on DISH since this last reply.

Scratch that....

WBND pixelated during the whole 'Indy 462.5' !!!

I just noticed 57.2 how long has that been up? I noticed it once before on my guide but it didn't work.

I just noticed 57.2 how long has that been up? I noticed it once before on my guide but it didn't work.

I've suspected 57.2 had been coming for quite a while, especially since the listings for Me TV returned on Mediacenter a couple of months ago, there just wasn't anything physically on 57.2 until now.

Now that 57.2 is MeTV and 69.1 is MyMichiana / MeTV, I'm wondering if the programming on 69.1 is going to change since a lot of the programming between the two channels will be the same. I suspect 69.1 will remain as MyMichiana but may carry MeToo? I'm just speculating really. I'm just glad to see MeTV get it's own channel. It was bugging me to see listings for stuff I really wanted to watch but wasn't on 69.1. A dedicated MeTV channel is a welcome edition. :-)

I've suspected 57.2 had been coming for quite a while, especially since the listings for Me TV returned on Mediacenter a couple of months ago, there just wasn't anything physically on 57.2 until now.

Now that 57.2 is MeTV and 69.1 is MyMichiana / MeTV, I'm wondering if the programming on 69.1 is going to change since a lot of the programming between the two channels will be the same. I suspect 69.1 will remain as MyMichiana but may carry MeToo? I'm just speculating really. I'm just glad to see MeTV get it's own channel. It was bugging me to see listings for stuff I really wanted to watch but wasn't on 69.1. A dedicated MeTV channel is a welcome edition. :-)

When MeTV went national, there was a slight overlap in programming with Chicago's MeToo (local MeTV), but otherwise no overlap. The overlap in Chicago is with MeToo & Antenna TV, because Antenna TV has the national rights to the Sony library, while Weigel Broadcasting has the Chicago rights to the same library. So shows that used to be on MeTV (when it was local) were moved to MeToo. In my opinion, it's sad that MeToo Chicago is programmed better than MeTV. There are few shows I'll watch on MeTV. As for the unbranded MeTV on 69.1, I believe it'll continue to be programmed for South Bend outside of the MNT programming (which is only 2 hours a day).

Now as far as Antenna TV coming to South Bend, that'll depend on whether WNDU or WSJV will pick it up. So far, I don't see WSJV willing to add any subchannels, & WNDU seems happy with their SD simiulcast, which is a complete waste (WLS-TV does it with Livewell Network on 7.3 in SD, WYCC simulcasting main channel on 20.2, & WYIN simulcasting main channel on 56.2 (720p HD) & 56.4). Weigel Broadcasting won't carry a competing classic TV network (they wouldn't even carry RTV in Chicago, along with all other full power stations).

I just watched Mash on 57.2 and there were certainly some problems. The show would pixelate and stop like I was receiving a bad signal. I checked signal strength within Mediacenter and I was getting full signal. When this occurred I skipped back to 57.1 where it also occurred.

I also was comparing video quality between 57.2 and 69.1 since both channels were playing the same content. I found 57.2 to be much brighter and detailed where 69.1 appeared darker and kind of washed out. I was surprised to see the quality was that much higher on 57.2. I did notice one thing a little odd though. I would have thought that 57.2 being the dedicated MeTV channel that it would be slightly ahead of 69.1. This isn't the case, I noticed 69.1's playback is the one that's slightly ahead of 57.2. My best guess is both channels receive the MeTV satellite feed at the same time, but 57.2 takes a hair longer because it's using less compression than 69.1.

I've got a question for you guy's who use use your pc/mac as your DVR. What software would you recommend? I'm looking at using windows media center or sagetv. Any suggestions? Also, what over the air tuners are good? I'm ditching cable, and don't want to pay Tivo $13/month for DVR service.

I've got a question for you guy's who use use your pc/mac as your DVR. What software would you recommend? I'm looking at using windows media center or sagetv. Any suggestions? Also, what over the air tuners are good? I'm ditching cable, and don't want to pay Tivo $13/month for DVR service.

I've been a happy Mediacenter user for years. I've tried both SageTV and BeyondTV and had problems with both programs. Also I found Mediacenter's interface to be much more elegant than the other solutions.

As for tuners, I use a pair of Avermedia Duets which gives me a total of 4 tuners to watch and record with. I know that may sound a bit excessive, but I run into situations a lot where 3-4 shows I want to watch come on at the same time. Installation is a breeze since Mediacenter already has the drivers built in to use these cards.. You just plug them in and run Mediacenter setup and then your good to go.

Here's the product page for the Avermedia Duet.

http://www.avermedia-usa.com//AVerTV/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=477

I've got a question for you guy's who use use your pc/mac as your DVR. What software would you recommend? I'm looking at using windows media center or sagetv. Any suggestions? Also, what over the air tuners are good? I'm ditching cable, and don't want to pay Tivo $13/month for DVR service.

I am using MythTV. I think that it is the best software for the purpose, but it is a bear to get set up and working the way you want. You have to really love screwing with computers and using the command line. I spent about 6 months getting it working good enough to turn my technophobe wife loose on it. It has been working great for about a year now, and I am very happy with it. I have 4 tuners for ATSC, and 1 hooked up to my old C-band dish for the free channels. The only thing I have found that MythTV won't do is play Netflix, because there is no Netflix streaming in Linux.

I gotta give a vote for Windows Media Center. I use a Vista machine for my HTPC, and it works great on OTA with a Hauppague HVR-950 usb tuner stick and a Pinnacle remote kit. The MC interface is flawless, and the remote makes it a TV experience, not a PC experience. And it's all plug-and-play.
I can't wait to try Windows 7's MC, which has the ability to assign channels to tuners. This is the only way to combine channels from different antennas without combining the antenna signals, which cuts them in half.

I'm using Windows 7 Media Center with two Hauppauge HVR-1250's. I also can't use an outdoor antenna so I got the Terk HDTVi and after I positioned it towards the broadcast antennas (they're mostly all in the same direction) I haven't once dropped my signal, when I used to drop it all the time, so I highly recommend that antenna if you have to use an indoor antenna.

Thanks for the suggestions guy's!! You all are a big help. Once I get everything I'll probably be back with a few more questions.

Thanks for the suggestions guy's!! You all are a big help. Once I get everything I'll probably be back with a few more questions.

I'd also like to add that if you have an Xbox 360, you can use that as a Mediacenter extender. This is a better solution than hooking the computer to the tv in my opinion. This also allows you to leave your computer setup in another room as well. this also cuts down on the distraction of fan noise your computer may produce. If you use a 360 for this purpose, make sure you enable "wake on LAN" in the pc's bios. This allows the 360 to wake your pc up from sleep mode when it's needed.

I'd also like to add that wake on LAN is also handy for the Apple TV (2nd gen) if you have an iOS 4.x device and the remote app. Your Apple TV won't wake your pc from sleep mode (at least not as of yet) but the remote app will wake your pc if you use it to access iTunes. I think it's odd that Apple doesn't allow an Apple TV to wake a pc, but the remote app does on any other iOS device. I think of this as a work around I discovered that should have been enabled on the Apple TV in the first place.

57.2 has been added to Comcast, channel 244, clearQAM 121-5. It's on the little DTA's as well as the main boxes, unlike 25.2 (just on the main box).

Is there a programming guide online for 57.2?

57.2 has been added to Comcast, channel 244, clearQAM 121-5. It's on the little DTA's as well as the main boxes, unlike 25.2 (just on the main box).

Is there a programming guide online for 57.2?

TitanTV and Zap2it both have listings for 57.2.

I wonder how many boaters on Lake Michigan between New Buffalo and St. Joseph, MI can see the Special Marine Warning on ABC 57.1. I could be wrong, but I don't recall any other local station ever disrupting national programming for marine warnings.

Anyone else getting test pattern on 28-1???

Sorry, I meant 28-2

Looks like ABC's Live Well network is coming soon to 28-2.

- Trip

Looks like ABC's Live Well network is coming soon to 28-2.Yep. They have text over the screen confirming that. (There is an infomercial playing at the moment.)
http://jameslong.name/avs/wsjv28-jul2011.jpg
Extended Channel Name: Live Well

Elementary Stream PID 65 (0x0041) MPEG-2 Video
MPEG Video: Bitrate 2.800 Mbps Resolution 720 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0

Elementary Stream PID 68 (0x0044) AC-3 Audio
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R
AC3: Dolby Surround Mode Not Dolby Surround
AC3: LFE Mode Off Dialogue normalization -27 dB

At least it is SD ... :)

I gleaned the information from this image: http://img.lineupui.silicondust.com/snapshots/57/snapshot_29814757.jpg

- Trip

Looks like ABC's Live Well network is coming soon to 28-2.

- Trip

Someone at Fox 28 must really miss having that ABC affiliation. LOL! Now they'll get it back.. Well only partially. :-)

At least it's not HD, which would do to WSJV what it did to WLS- make it look like dog snot.

I re-scanned my TV to pick up 28.2 and I found 2 extra channels. 006-01 & 006-02 WITI in Milwaukee (FOX6) were scanned into my TV from the South Side of South Bend. I have no signal at this time. Must of been an atmospheric thing going on!!! Wierd!!!

I re-scanned my TV to pick up 28.2 and I found 2 extra channels. 006-01 & 006-02 WITI in Milwaukee (FOX6) were scanned into my TV from the South Side of South Bend. I have no signal at this time. Must of been an atmospheric thing going on!!! Wierd!!!

Happens sometimes. One time I picked up signals from Ohio. This was before DTV but still it was pretty clear and that was pretty far away.

I re-scanned my TV to pick up 28.2 and I found 2 extra channels. 006-01 & 006-02 WITI in Milwaukee (FOX6) were scanned into my TV from the South Side of South Bend. I have no signal at this time. Must of been an atmospheric thing going on!!! Wierd!!!

Yep....tropospheric ducting, or "skip" was happening. Check out the Chicago OTA thread, and you'll see that we were even locking Weigel's low power stations from the northwest suburbs of Chicago! That, and even channel 5, 7 and 11 from Grand Rapids (stomping on WLS-DT 7 in Chicago!).

Uh, for the last 2 nights ALL of your South Bend stations were coming in strong into Northern Illinois- including LPs WBND and WMYS. Lots of Grand Rapids and Cadillac stations from Michigan too. Wonderful stuff, that tropospheric enhancement.

Edit: D'oh! Gilbert beat me to it!

Is 28.2 live? I reset my Media Center machine and the guide data for 28.2 exists (I pull off of Comcast, who still thinks that .1 is on .2)...

The "coming soon" banner is gone from 28.2 ... currently airing a "Paid Program".

(Oddly enough, at the moment 28.1 PSIP is empty and 28.2 is populated.)

Do you guys see something like this happening in our area? I guess this would be better than slicing off pieces of existing broadcasts for mobile internet. However I don't see this white spaces internet being the be all end all solution for mobile internet. I don't see phones taking advantage of this because if my phone has to send and receive to a tower that's even within 30 miles, my battery is going to be dead in like two seconds.. (Not to mention my hand is probably going to feel rather toasty among other things..) I think this would have to be a more stationary solution like DSL or cable.

I know this white spaces thing has been a very controversial topic among broadcasters. So what's your take HVS? Would you rather use white spaces, slice off some precious data from existing bandwidth, or cut off your arm? LOL!

Here's the latest article about white spaces.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/27/ieee-brings-white-space-internet-one-step-closer-we-almost-felt/

I don't see white space working on handheld devices for several years. 4G will use the last bandwidth "surrendered" by OTA ... perhaps 5G or 6G phones will be able to use whitespace UHF channels. That leaves non-handheld portable usage and fixed location usage for the short term.

I expect that 5G/6G will be able to receive "whitespace" UHF as a high bandwidth return channel for data requested over existing frequencies or perhaps as a broadcast service. I'd also like to see those devices work with ATSC Mobile TV, but that might conflict with the content transmitted on whitespace. (Why allow free Mobile TV access when one can charge for IP delivered TV content? Eventually local TV stations will get their piece of the action and support IP delivered TV.

If the TV band is compressed to "free up" a large block of channels I wouldn't call that "white space". White space infers gaps between current licensed broadcasters - not new "wireless only" spectrum.

So at first I expect we'll see fixed location use ... then mobile use (RV, van and other portable devices that are bigger than handheld). I expect by the time "whitespace" gets to handheld devices it will be a wireless only band - especially two way usage. We might see transmit only "whitespace" to handheld before that.

Is 28.2 live? I reset my Media Center machine and the guide data for 28.2 exists (I pull off of Comcast, who still thinks that .1 is on .2)...
Channel *345* on Comcast, 117-3 for QAM. Really dumb place for it, especially since 246 is open (and would put 57.2, 25.2, 28.2, and 22.3 all together).

Someone at Fox 28 must really miss having that ABC affiliation. LOL! Now they'll get it back.. Well only partially. :-)

it could be worse... a tornado could hit the area...

Seriously though, LivWell is pure crap and a waste of bandwidth.

I was jumping ahead in my guides and found that ABC57 apparently will be doing a 7PM newscast starting 9/6.

Has there been any movement with WNDU and a different sub-channel? Kind of disappointed we don't have Universal Sports or a dedicated radar feed (again).

On the subject of guides, Weigel stopped broadcasting PSIP guide data for all of the South Bend stations yesterday.

On the subject of guides, Weigel stopped broadcasting PSIP guide data for all of the South Bend stations yesterday.

Guide data is back today with lots of programming changes on 57.2 (and 69.1 and 25.1).

Has there been any movement with WNDU and a different sub-channel? Kind of disappointed we don't have Universal Sports or a dedicated radar feed (again).
Universal Sports is getting dropped as a sub-channel (http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2011/09/12/53898/universal-sports-dropping-multicast-outlets)

I've noticed watching 25-01 OTA that the feed is never smooth. Someone told me the feed comes from Chicago. When WBND build their place, will they get the feeds from satellites like our other locals?

It's nice to see that WBND is shedding light on geocaching. I took up this hobby over the summer which is part of the reason I hadn't been on here as much.

I do want to comment on what Maxdout38 just said though. I wonder if his observation is what affects 25.2 ThisTV on my Windows Mediacenter. It's the only channel that is really choppy for me. Otherwise all of the other channels are fine for the most part. For some reason the only work around is to just tune into my Mediacenter PC through the Xbox 360 which seems to fix the choppiness. It's odd that my PC does this and my 360 doesn't. Perhaps it's the difference in graphics chipsets. My PC has an AMD (formally ATI) Radeon HD 5750 and the 360 has a custom ATI GPU in it. I've never see this issue with my Nvidia boards but this card I have now blows away any Nvidia board I've ever had.. Yet this video anomaly exists and drives me bonkers!

Anyone notice FOX28 News at 10PM was in HD!!!

About time!!!!

Anyone notice FOX28 News at 10PM was in HD!!!

About time!!!!

I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the heads up!

Has anyone else noticed that Weigel stopped broadcasting guide data on all of their South Bend stations yesterday?
Update: It's back today (2/2/12).

When is the PBS affiliate in South Bend going to begin broadcasting some sub-channels with unique content? Every other PBS station in America seems to be able to manage at least 3 subchannels.

I notice that channel 16 has also stopped their useless rebroadcast of their "SD" channel and now have a banner advertising something about Feb 6th. Hopefully, there'll be a decent sub-channel (perhaps Antenna TV???!!!) put up there in its stead!

In addition, can anyone recommend a good TV tower installer?

I notice that channel 16 has also stopped their useless rebroadcast of their "SD" channel and now have a banner advertising something about Feb 6th. Hopefully, there'll be a decent sub-channel (perhaps Antenna TV???!!!) put up there in its stead!

I'm fairly sure this is for the Super Bowl, so they can have a decent signal for the most watched program of the year.

When is the PBS affiliate in South Bend going to begin broadcasting some sub-channels with unique content? Every other PBS station in America seems to be able to manage at least 3 subchannels.


It might depend on how mch money WNIT brings in for being able to carry certain subchannels. I hear that World & V-Me are free services (I know V-Me is, because that was the reason WTTW picked up the network), while Create costs money. I don't know how much it costs to affiliate with Create, but I know it was too much for WYIN in Merrillville (licensed to Gary, but has their tower in Lake Dalecarlia, between Cedar Lake & Lowell), that they dropped the network. I don't know if WTTW was carrying it at the same time, but they have it available for Chicagoland viewers. I'm not sure what it costs to affiliate with Mhz Worldview (not affiliated in anyway with PBS), but any costs might be less than for Create (WYCC Chicago carries this network). I'm surprised WNIT hasn't thought of programming their own 24 hour children's channel, or even a 24 hour primetime channel (like WTTW does with WTTW Prime). Those 2 channels programmed in-house might cost them next to nothing, because it usually doesn't involve extra people to program it, & they already have the programming available. For WTTW Chicago, WTTW Prime costs them nothing to program, because they're using existing staff to program the channel, & they have the rights to the programs they carry. With the locally programmed primetime channel, they're able to reair programs in a different time slot on WTTW Prime, along with reairing locally produced programs. They also air programs that might not fit into the schedule of the main channel. I know in the case of This Old House & Ask This Old House, those are shown as separate programs on the main WTTW channel, while on WTTW Prime, both are shown as the This Old House Hour with This Old House first, then Ask This Old House second.

Before I forget, V-Me has a lot of PBS programming, but they're run independent of PBS, & is in Spanish. I don't know what the Spanish speaking population is in South Bend to even consider carrying V-Me.

It might depend on how mch money WNIT brings in for being able to carry certain subchannels. I hear that World & V-Me are free services (I know V-Me is, because that was the reason WTTW picked up the network), while Create costs money. I don't know how much it costs to affiliate with Create, but I know it was too much for WYIN in Merrillville (licensed to Gary, but has their tower in Lake Dalecarlia, between Cedar Lake & Lowell), that they dropped the network. I don't know if WTTW was carrying it at the same time, but they have it available for Chicagoland viewers. I'm not sure what it costs to affiliate with Mhz Worldview (not affiliated in anyway with PBS), but any costs might be less than for Create (WYCC Chicago carries this network). I'm surprised WNIT hasn't thought of programming their own 24 hour children's channel, or even a 24 hour primetime channel (like WTTW does with WTTW Prime). Those 2 channels programmed in-house might cost them next to nothing, because it usually doesn't involve extra people to program it, & they already have the programming available. For WTTW Chicago, WTTW Prime costs them nothing to program, because they're using existing staff to program the channel, & they have the rights to the programs they carry. With the locally programmed primetime channel, they're able to reair programs in a different time slot on WTTW Prime, along with reairing locally produced programs. They also air programs that might not fit into the schedule of the main channel. I know in the case of This Old House & Ask This Old House, those are shown as separate programs on the main WTTW channel, while on WTTW Prime, both are shown as the This Old House Hour with This Old House first, then Ask This Old House second.

Before I forget, V-Me has a lot of PBS programming, but they're run independent of PBS, & is in Spanish. I don't know what the Spanish speaking population is in South Bend to even consider carrying V-Me.

Dave has it right. The Quad Cities (IL/IA) and Peoria stations are the same way. They're *barely* scraping by...Peoria's almost had to go off the air last year. Visit their studios and you'll probably only see one or two people there...on weekdays. They take "shoestring budget" to an extreme. If hardware fails, they can be in big trouble, depending on what it is. When WNIT's analog transmitter failed, of course, they had no money to fix it...so all digital they went.

To be honest, I am somewhat surprised that the smaller market PBS stations are still on the air, given the economy.

Is it just me or has ABC 57 been having horrible reception these last few days? Every show I watched in the last few days (Happy Endings on Wednesday, Missing on Thurs, and Once Upon a Time tonight), regardless of the Signal strength, has been coming in awful. Other channels are fine.

To be honest, I am somewhat surprised that the smaller market PBS stations are still on the air, given the economy.

+1 - & to take it a step further, I'm surprised how many markets (especially smaller ones like OURS) can support 2-3 PBS stations in the SAME DMA!

In our case, while I understand we are kind of a "weird" DMA that has separate ABC, CBS & FOX (sister) stations due to the geography & size, since PBS has to make it on viewer support & with the economy the way it is, I'm surprised we still have 3 serving us currently. Although WEIU-51, while technically part of our DMA, their OTA signal in NO way makes up into the Spfld metro area; they ARE able to get lots of those viewers via Comcast Cable - this is in addition to WILL-12 & WSEC-14.

The Decatur CC system gets the same PBS stations as well; the Champaign-Urbana CC system does NOT get WSEC.

All DBS subs (from both providers) in our DMA get ALL 3 PBS's regardless of where you are in our DMA.
Maybe THAT'S how we can support all 3 of these stations. ;)

BTW, both WILL & WSEC carry PBS World & Create as subs; WEIU carries Worldview as it's only sub. Again, CC does provide ALL the subs in the systems that carry the main channels as above.

Three PBSs, but it's not like any of them have terrific coverage without cable, etc., lest anyone get the wrong idea. Last week's storms were the first time ever for me that I got WEIU in. And WILL, with its Piatt County transmitter site and VHF frequency has never worked well for me in Danville. That said, WILL and WEIU are directly linked to the health of their respective universities. Honestly, I don't know how things are at Eastern (can't be as bad as SIUC), but the U of I is going strong, and, even if it weren't, would probably be quickly bailed out, due to its status as a major research school. Actually, given how public schools and TV markets are apportioned in Illinois, I think Illinois (and Champaign in particular) is rather atypical.

Is it just me or has ABC 57 been having horrible reception these last few days? Every show I watched in the last few days (Happy Endings on Wednesday, Missing on Thurs, and Once Upon a Time tonight), regardless of the Signal strength, has been coming in awful. Other channels are fine.

We have Directv and the few times we watch ABC57, it drops out with a black screen and no audio for a second or two. This has been going on for quite a while and it happened again last night.
I haven't seen it on the other stations.

I figured out the problem. I have 3 tuners, 2 internal using the same antenna and one USB, which uses a different antenna and isn't as good, and apparently my tuner settings had been messed up for ABC57, only tuning on the third tuner when I thought it was tuning on one of the other two, so obviously I didn't have the antenna set up properly.

I'm in La Porte and am considering switching my internet from Frontier to Comcast.

I have a Vizio HDTV and currently watch OTA South Bend and Chicago stations and the picture quality is excellent OTA.

I just got back from visiting a family member in Elkhart. She has Comcast and I was disappointed to see that Comcast had brought what looks like an old analog cable box and is feeding it into her HTDV on RF analog Channel 3. And here she has not been watching HD tv at all! Is this normal for Comcast? If so I think I'll just stick with what I have now. I need real HDTV and would certainly prefer no box at all if possible. I have heard about cable cards that allow you to watch encrypted channels? Is it usually something that they don't mention and hope you don't know any better and just give you some crappy box?

I just got back from visiting a family member in Elkhart. She has Comcast and I was disappointed to see that Comcast had brought what looks like an old analog cable box and is feeding it into her HTDV on RF analog Channel 3. And here she has not been watching HD tv at all! Is this normal for Comcast?

It's normal if she didn't ASK for an (HD) box in the first place... ;)
Also, CC DOES charge $8-$9 for "HD technology" fee, which DOES include an HD box on the primary TV. If you have additional (full) digital boxes (NOT DTA's) each extra box ($8 "additional outlet") can also be an HD box for no additonal charge besides the A/O fee. (IF you are also paying the HD tech fee)
I suspect your relative did NOT want to have to pay extra for the HD (tech fee) - hence she got what she got.

I need real HDTV and would certainly prefer no box at all if possible. I have heard about cable cards that allow you to watch encrypted channels? Is it usually something that they don't mention and hope you don't know any better and just give you some crappy box?

Well I highly doubt your Vizio will even take a cable card, so wouldn't that be moot point for you anyway? :confused:
I don't know of any new HDTV's made within the past couple years that even have CC slots anymore. About the only devices currently made that do, are Tivo's & CC tuners for PC's/HTPC's.
While you can connect your TV directly to the cable & watch your local OTA's in HD, you will NOT get anything else above limited basic service. Also, DO keep in mind that CC is in the process of petitioning the FCC to allow them to start encrypting ALL digital channels - including ALL local OTA's. Once that happens, your QAM tuner(s) will be useless on CC service... :(