T-Minus 6 days and counting. The remaining transmitters are scheduled for delivery on Monday the 6th. After that its time for installation. We're expecting a week for transmitter installation and a couple of weeks for tower related installs. Keep your fingers crossed for the poor tower guys that they have good weather.

Before ... :D
WCWW-LP 25 at the top with WBND-LP 57 just below and WMYS-LP 69 below the guy wire. WBND-LD 49 will fit between these (just above WMYS-LP) with WCWW-LD 27 and WMYS-LD 23 (in that order) just below the current WMYS-LP antenna.

Photo taken this evening at about 5:50pm ET.

Nice pic. :) That's better than any I have so far. Maybe if I pick a non-cloudy day I'll have better luck. :D

Hello All,

Here are some Longley-Rice and contour maps displaying the coverage of the three new LD stations. Some things to keep in mind:

1) Tiger maps generated from the FCC's site to not show apples to apples for coverage of full power vs low power class stations. Full power contours are displayed as 41 dBu, low power as 51 dBu. I.E., full power contours are shown with 10 db more coverage out of the gate. This is simply a matter of expression and not power. The maps I have attached show two contours, the inner is 51 dBu and the outer is 41 dBu.

2) As some of you know, contour circles mean nothing. Terrain and frequency drastically affect the signal. 5 million watts at channel 14 will go much further than 5 million watts on channel 69, even with tuned receive antennas. Notice the color shading. It reflects a predicted computer model signal based on terrain and frequency.

3) Don't get excited and cuss WBND when you see these. What this map doesn't display is received interference from other stations. WBND has minimal received interference. The inversions will affect channel 27 more than any other station.

4) The maps are slightly distorted. This is due to the PDF conversion. To lazy to fix but you get the idea.

Those of you who are familiar with the FCC and LPTV know that LPTV operators have always been short changed when it comes to FCC rules and operations. The NAB hates LPTV and spends dollars to damper it. For those who may not know, the FCC filled nearly all of the full power spectrum in the 1970s and 80's. If you wanted to start a TV station in the 90's, you had no choice but to build a LPTV station. Weigel doesn't operate LPTV stations because they're "cheap", we do it because it is the only way to get a TV station on the air!

The good news is after the analog shutdown, there will be better options and since our transmitter and transmission line is UHF broadband, we will be ready to jump channels with the change of the antenna.

Hello All,

Here are some Longley-Rice and contour maps displaying the coverage of the three new LD stations. Some things to keep in mind:

1) Tiger maps generated from the FCC's site to not show apples to apples for coverage of full power vs low power class stations. Full power contours are displayed as 41 dBu, low power as 51 dBu. I.E., full power contours are shown with 10 db more coverage out of the gate. This is simply a matter of expression and not power. The maps I have attached show two contours, the inner is 51 dBu and the outer is 41 dBu.

2) As some of you know, contour circles mean nothing. Terrain and frequency drastically affect the signal. 5 million watts at channel 14 will go much further than 5 million watts on channel 69, even with tuned receive antennas. Notice the color shading. It reflects a predicted computer model signal based on terrain and frequency.

3) Don't get excited and cuss WBND when you see these. What this map doesn't display is received interference from other stations. WBND has minimal received interference. The inversions will affect channel 27 more than any other station.

4) The maps are slightly distorted. This is due to the PDF conversion. To lazy to fix but you get the idea.

Those of you who are familiar with the FCC and LPTV know that LPTV operators have always been short changed when it comes to FCC rules and operations. The NAB hates LPTV and spends dollars to damper it. For those who may not know, the FCC filled nearly all of the full power spectrum in the 1970s and 80's. If you wanted to start a TV station in the 90's, you had no choice but to build a LPTV station. Weigel doesn't operate LPTV stations because they're "cheap", we do it because it is the only way to get a TV station on the air!

The good news is after the analog shutdown, there will be better options and since our transmitter and transmission line is UHF broadband, we will be ready to jump channels with the change of the antenna.


Thanks for the great info.
I don't understand what you mean on no. 3 "The inversions will affect channel 27 more than any other station." Could you explain this? thanks

Al

Thanks for the great info.
I don't understand what you mean on no. 3 "The inversions will affect channel 27 more than any other station." Could you explain this? thanks

Al
Interference from other stations.

Installation starts today!!! The 2 remaining transmitters will be arriving by truck today and ready for installation. (Just in time for the heavy rain they're predicting)
I'll have an update tonight as well as some pics (maybe).

Good news, hoping to see something this week??

Don't you wish transmitter installs were "plug 'n play"? :D

OK, I just ordered a new HiDef Series 3 TiVo to replace my standard def Series 2. This box was only used to record CW & ABC. Bring it on!!!

Don't you wish transmitter installs were "plug 'n play"? :D
I just wish the crate's would open themselves. :eek:

Good news, hoping to see something this week??
Not unless they make adapters from 3" line to coat hanger. Transmitters should be up and cooking by the end of the week, but we still need to hang the line and antennas. (which is a multiple week process)

Well day 1 went pretty good. It was a bit sweaty unloading the crates but they're inside in the cool air for tommorow. I included some pics below. The last one "The NEW Lineup" from left to right is WMYS-DT, WCWW-DT, WBND-DT. Tommorow is starting the RF and interconnects for all 3 transmitters. Everybody enjoy the storms tonight!!

I just wish the crate's would open themselves. :eek:
HVS, if they did that, you either have heat stroke, or would have a stroke! :D :eek:

i'll be happy to hold an umbrella. :)

anyone know what the transmitter located east of 331, right off of Kelly rd, intersection of Fern Rd. and Roosevelt Rd? Its one of the big 4 on the hill, been around forever, but I've never figured out whats coming out of it...

Lesea's WHME TV is at that location (both analog and digital transmitters).

The studios are over on Ironwood just south of WNDU TV's towers.

ahh, ok. i assumed their TX towers were on the ironwood property, since there's a bunch of antennas there. what else are they broadcasting?

hvs10trk, thanks for the pictures. Looks like a nice installation! The last time I was in a transmitter building, it was at WSBT's transmiter location on Ironwood back in the 1970s. I remember they had several full-sized cabinets, each holding a single water-cooled Klystron tube. Those were the days, huh? ;)

In other local Digital news, I noticed that WHME-DT is now 46.1 & 46.2, identified as WHT. The bug on this channel says "ORM.CC".

Well the transmitters are installed and powered up. They are set to be proofed next week. After that they are ready to transmit, except for one small problem. We don't have a tower crew yet. Seems there's a short supply of them. Any volunteers?? :D Some new pictures below.

hvs10trk, thanks for the pictures. Looks like a nice installation! The last time I was in a transmitter building, it was at WSBT's transmiter location on Ironwood back in the 1970s. I remember they had several full-sized cabinets, each holding a single water-cooled Klystron tube. Those were the days, huh? ;)

In other local Digital news, I noticed that WHME-DT is now 46.1 & 46.2, identified as WHT. The bug on this channel says "ORM.CC".

WHT=World Harvest Television. That's a separate network they run that I think DirecTV or Dish has. They must have had a program on there from Oral Roberts Ministries when you tuned in.

HVS: Climb 30' up the tower, get an FCC STA, and wait for some climbers. Then at least in South Bend, they'd have ABC HD. :D

I'll have to rescan 48 to get 46.2.

DirecTV carries WHT nationally as a public interest channel. E* only carries WHME 46 locally within the South Bend market. The last time I checked, DirecTV did not carry WHME 46's local channel.

Just tell me when and where and I'll be there.

I didn't even want to be outside yesterday (or most of this week). Gotta stay in air conditioning. If I were a tower climber I'd want extra hazard pay. We had 100° heat indexes and 90° range real temperatures yesterday.

I didn't even want to be outside yesterday (or most of this week). Gotta stay in air conditioning. If I were a tower climber I'd want extra hazard pay. We had 100° heat indexes and 90° range real temperatures yesterday.
It was bad enough going outside every 20 minutes to cut unistrut and all thread. I'm glad we unloaded the truck on Monday instead of tuesday.

Well, it's 75˚ and sunny out there now, no more excuses ;)

I finally picked up a samsung tuner for my tv.

Much better tuner than the one on our new samsung tv and better than the dish boxes.

I can pick up WPWR My TV out of Gary with it.

My antenna is aimed at south bend.

I finally picked up a samsung tuner for my tv.

Much better tuner than the one on our new samsung tv and better than the dish boxes.

I can pick up WPWR My TV out of Gary with it.

My antenna is aimed at south bend.
1mw off of Sears will do that for ya. :D

What are the current/ future transmitting power of the stations in south bend?

What are the current/ future transmitting power of the stations in south bend?

As I have them, with channel and then power:

FULL POWER

..................Now........................February 2009 and beyond
WNDU-DT: 42, 560 kw..................42, 695 kw
WSBT-DT: 30, 229 kw..................22, 203 kw
WSJV-DT: 58, 228 kw...................28, 226 kw
WNIT-DT: 35, 50 kw.....................35, 50 kw

LOW POWER

W18CF-LD: (none)........................18, 8 kw
WWCW-LD: 27, 15 kw....................???????
WBND-LD: 49, 15 kw....................???????
WMYS-LD: 23, 15 kw...................???????

Note that:

Stations can ask for a power increase after analog shutdown. Depending on how much over-the-air DTV is used in 2009, stations may want more, the same, or even less power. 100 kw on UHF covers 70 miles with a proper outdoor antenna.
50 kw covers 60 miles. 15 kw on UHF can easily go 50 miles with a proper outdoor antenna and line-of-sight to the transmitter.

Stations can ask for channel changes after analog shutdown. This is especially true of the low power stations. Don't be surprised if Weigel (and others) try to get an open slot for a new full power station in South Bend IF over-the-air DTV continues to be viable at that time.

As I have them, with channel and then power:

FULL POWER

..................Now........................February 2009 and beyond
WNDU-DT: 42, 560 kw..................42, 695 kw
WSBT-DT: 30, 229 kw..................22, 203 kw
WSJV-DT: 58, 228 kw...................28, 226 kw
WNIT-DT: 35, 50 kw.....................35, 50 kw

LOW POWER

W18CF-LD: (none)........................18, 8 kw
WWCW-LD: 27, 15 kw....................???????
WBND-LD: 49, 15 kw....................???????
WMYS-LD: 23, 15 kw...................???????

Note that:

Stations can ask for a power increase after analog shutdown. Depending on how much over-the-air DTV is used in 2009, stations may want more, the same, or even less power. 100 kw on UHF covers 70 miles with a proper outdoor antenna.
50 kw covers 60 miles. 15 kw on UHF can easily go 50 miles with a proper outdoor antenna and line-of-sight to the transmitter.

Stations can ask for channel changes after analog shutdown. This is especially true of the low power stations. Don't be surprised if Weigel (and others) try to get an open slot for a new full power station in South Bend IF over-the-air DTV continues to be viable at that time.
Can you list current analog transmitting power?

Can you list current analog transmitting power?
Analog.......what's that??? :D

Can you list current analog transmitting power?

I don't know how accurate it, but this might give you an idea.

http://radiostationworld.com/locations/United_States_of_America/Indiana/tv.asp?m=sou

I just upgraded to DISH HD today and now I need an OTA antenna. I live in NW South Bend (Cross Creek subdivision - west of Lilac, between Cleveland and Brick) and according to antennaweb, I'm about 10 miles from the towers. My TV is in the basement and I'm wondering if an internal OTA antenna will work. If so, what is a good brand/model to get? The DISH installers weren't very helpful when I asked about OTA so I don't really know where to start.

Thanks,
Dave

I just upgraded to DISH HD today and now I need an OTA antenna. I live in NW South Bend (Cross Creek subdivision - west of Lilac, between Cleveland and Brick) and according to antennaweb, I'm about 10 miles from the towers. My TV is in the basement and I'm wondering if an internal OTA antenna will work. If so, what is a good brand/model to get? The DISH installers weren't very helpful when I asked about OTA so I don't really know where to start.

Thanks,
Dave

I would buy a cheap uhf indoor antenna at Walmart, hook it up and see how it works.

I just upgraded to DISH HD today and now I need an OTA antenna. I live in NW South Bend (Cross Creek subdivision - west of Lilac, between Cleveland and Brick) and according to antennaweb, I'm about 10 miles from the towers. My TV is in the basement and I'm wondering if an internal OTA antenna will work. If so, what is a good brand/model to get? The DISH installers weren't very helpful when I asked about OTA so I don't really know where to start.

Thanks,
Dave

The Walmart route would be a good start but being in the basement is going to be a hindrance.

If that doesn't work i would recommend an antenna such as the CM-4220M wich runs about $30 with a j-mount and a couple diplexers ($5.00 each). You could then get some u-bolts and mount it off the dish. The diplexers will allow you to use the already installed cable run to combine both signals and then separate them at the receiver. You want your antenna as high as possible so if your dish is on the roof this would work perfect.

The Walmart route would be a good start but being in the basement is going to be a hindrance.

If that doesn't work i would recommend an antenna such as the CM-4220M wich runs about $30 with a j-mount and a couple diplexers ($5.00 each). You could then get some u-bolts and mount it off the dish. The diplexers will allow you to use the already installed cable run to combine both signals and then separate them at the receiver. You want your antenna as high as possible so if your dish is on the roof this would work perfect.

thedamaja, where can you buy the CM-4220M? I have a similar issue. I have Directv and have been pulling the local HD channels from a Terk OTA antenna, but it seems like I have issues with keeping a strong signal from WNDU. Was wondering if there might be a better option and was wondering if the antenna you mention above would be the answer. My dish is mounted on the roof, so seems like it might be best. I would assume you woud just point the CM-4220M in the direction of the local towers?

If that doesn't work i would recommend an antenna such as the CM-4220M wich runs about $30 with a j-mount and a couple diplexers ($5.00 each). You could then get some u-bolts and mount it off the dish. The diplexers will allow you to use the already installed cable run to combine both signals and then separate them at the receiver. You want your antenna as high as possible so if your dish is on the roof this would work perfect.

thedamaja, So all I would have to do is buy two diplexers and tap into the DISH coax? I assume one is installed at the dish and the other at the wall jack. That doesn't sound too difficult. Does anyone have a link for instructions on how to do that?

I don't know if I trust myself enough to try an install. Can anyone recommend an installer in case I chicken out?

Well the transmitters are installed and powered up. They are set to be proofed next week. After that they are ready to transmit, except for one small problem. We don't have a tower crew yet. Seems there's a short supply of them. Any volunteers?? :D Some new pictures below.



Can we assume you now have a good thirty-forty guys scrambling all over that tower, hanging cable like busy red ants?? Can we? CAN WE??? :rolleyes:

You can buy the antenna and diplexers from Solidsignal They are in MI and have fast shipping

CM4220M (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=CM4220M)
Diplexer (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=SPDX100)

You then just install one diplexer at the dish. Antenna and dish line in the dual port side and the single port is the line into the house. Then use the other diplexer in the same manner behind the receiver. One port into Antenna in other into sat in. It's labeled on the Diplexer so it's pretty easy. The link on the diplexer page actually shows a diagram at the bottom.

You're also going to need a few short runs of RG-6 Coax to hook in the antenna.

The dish network receiver actually powers the coax with a small amount of voltage so be sure to unplug your receiver and unscrew the coax from the back before starting.

Can we assume you now have a good thirty-forty guys scrambling all over that tower, hanging cable like busy red ants?? Can we? CAN WE??? :rolleyes:
I wish. Having problems securing a tower crew. Nobody likes us. :(

I might not have to install an exterior antenna. I picked up three different amplified internal antennas today and the RCA ANT525 seems to work well. I'm at 75-85 signal strengths for NBC & CBS and 90+ for FOX. I assume those numbers are adequate?

What is a normal signal strength range? Is using an amplified antenna going to hurt signal quality?

I might not have to install an exterior antenna. I picked up three different amplified internal antennas today and the RCA ANT525 seems to work well. I'm at 75-85 signal strengths for NBC & CBS and 90+ for FOX. I assume those numbers are adequate?

What is a normal signal strength range? Is using an amplified antenna going to hurt signal quality?

Where are you located?

I'm like 30-40 miles south of southbend and nbc is the highest signal, while cbs and fox are much lower. Fox and cbs go back and forth as far as which one is better.

I wish. Having problems securing a tower crew. Nobody likes us. :(Been there ... I feel your pain. Especially when it is something as big as you have planned getting a crew to get there and get-r-done isn't easy.

Best wishes on getting someone soon!

Where are you located?

I'm like 30-40 miles south of southbend and nbc is the highest signal, while cbs and fox are much lower. Fox and cbs go back and forth as far as which one is better.


I live in NW South Bend in the Cross Creek subdivision (corner of Brick & Lilac). The towers are approximately 10 miles southeast of my place.

Those are good numbers eilros. I currently have a Yagi antenna in my attic that pulls only a few points higher than that. ( I live off Primrose and Cleveland). i do have to tweak it through out the year to combat multipath.

I did an outdoor roof install for a friend who lives by Brick and Portage. With the antenna I mentioned above. His signal is solid 80-100 all the time.

I did an outdoor roof install for a friend who lives by Brick and Portage. With the antenna I mentioned above. His signal is solid 80-100 all the time.

I'm still debating the outdoor antenna. I'm going to see how this internal antenna works out for the next few weeks and go from there. Tonight my signal was 80+ for all three stations so I'm satisfied. The signal last night was horrible but I imagine the weather we had caused the problems. How does your friend's external antenna perform in poor weather?

I just asked and up until last night he's never lost signal. Although I think his problem was due to losing signal on one of the sats which tends to confuse the dish receiver. Then nothing will come in.

He also has a clear view with no trees in close proximity to block signal.

Has anyone on this thread had both Directv and DishNetwork? I have been with directv since 2000 and and considering the switch to DishNetwork because Directv will give me NO break on an HD-DVR. Called DishNetwork and it sounds like they can lease me one for the same money I am currently paying with Directv with no DVR. And the DishNetwork DVR can be used by both my HD and SD tvs. Anyone comment on DishNetwork as opposed to Directv in the SB area?

One downside, DishNetwork is still in negotiations for the BigTen Network. I am wondering if I threaten to switch to DishNetwork if Directv will cave and give me the DVR. But if DishNetwork is really that much better, than I might as well switch anyway.

Thanks for any thoughts!

I just switched back to DirecTV because they gave me a better deal on HD programming AND MOSTLY, the picture quality is far superior to Dish. Yes, Dish has more HD programming right now, but Quality is more important to me then quantity. Also, the DirecTV installer said HD locals should be available on the satellite in September or October. You should be able to play those 2 against each each pretty easily. Just ask for the Customer Retention department. They'll listen to your needs.

...Also, the DirecTV installer said HD locals should be available on the satellite in September or October......when Cable Pigs fly! Remember, South Bend & Elkhart are in the mid 80s in terms of DMA size(87 or 88 depending which site you look at), so Direct will have a lot of bigger fish to fry (markets to carry) before SBN HD gets carried.

Unless someone from a local TV station cares to chime in with actual information, I'd say the DTV Installer was saying anything just to get people signed on.

I just switched back to DirecTV because they gave me a better deal on HD programming AND MOSTLY, the picture quality is far superior to Dish. Yes, Dish has more HD programming right now, but Quality is more important to me then quantity. Also, the DirecTV installer said HD locals should be available on the satellite in September or October. You should be able to play those 2 against each each pretty easily. Just ask for the Customer Retention department. They'll listen to your needs.

You are right...I called last night and basically told Directv that I was considering swithching to Dish because of the DVR issue. They promptly gave me the HD-DVR for free and waived the DVR fee for a year. Also, it looks like the Big Ten Network HD will also be available in the first batch of new channels available Sept 15. That was enough to satisfy me. I will also be really excited if they finally get HD locals. No ABC, but I guess I can live without that for now! Thanks for the reply...

...when Cable Pigs fly! Remember, South Bend & Elkhart are in the mid 80s in terms of DMA size(87 or 88 depending which site you look at), so Direct will have a lot of bigger fish to fry (markets to carry) before SBN HD gets carried.

Unless someone from a local TV station cares to chime in with actual information, I'd say the DTV Installer was saying anything just to get people signed on.

I don't know of anything to that nature and have acutally been questioning it myself.

, the picture quality is far superior to Dish. Yes, Dish has more HD programming right now, but Quality is more important to me then quantity.

:rolleyes: That was great for a laugh

:rolleyes: That was great for a laugh

Yeah I just finished laughing at that comment too!

We have enough Dish vs DirecTV debate going on at DBSTalk (http://www.dbstalk.com/). Step over there if you really want to get an earful about who has and will have the most HD and best picture, etc.

I'm not worried about HD locals via satellite as my receiver picks up the local stations (and hvs10trk is doing all he can to get CW and ABC up in HD). Perhaps that is what the installer was referring to? OTA HD reception?

In any case, I look forward to D*'s announced new HD channels as well as E*'s unannounced new HD channels. Competition is good!

Disclaimer: DBSTalk is a member of the AVS family of forums and I am a moderator at DBSTalk!

i'm wondering if the antennas are up yet.

Me too. I keep scanning the DTV bands on my receiver almost daily, hoping to find a new signal. I mean, c'mon, the college football season is about to start!

Yeah. Your not going to let a little high winds, lightning and rain get in the way are you?

i'm wondering if the antennas are up yet.

Not even close. Still waiting on a tower crew.

Me too. I keep scanning the DTV bands on my receiver almost daily, hoping to find a new signal. I mean, c'mon, the college football season is about to start!
You guys will know when we're going to start cooking. I'll give you some advanced warning. :D

Not even close. Still waiting on a tower crew.
I confess that this is puzzling to me. Obviously there are folks out there who do this kind of thing on a contractual basis, and since these kinds of jobs don't come around all the time, seems to me that they would jump at the opportunity to get some work. Why are they so reluctant to do this particular job???

They are not reluctant. The best crew I have lined up right now can't even start until mid October. You are right in that there are not a lot of crews that do this type of work. Cell work and 1000'+ tower work is about like calling your household plumber to fix a 36" main at the Sears tower.

As for Dish/DirecTV carrying locals in HD, there isn't a scheduled launch date at all. Is it coming? Yes. 2008? Unlikely.

Not even close. Still waiting on a tower crew.

Oh well. I guess it's been pushed back to the end of Sept. beginning of October then... So is life.

My internal RCA ANT525 is going strong. I'm consistently getting 75-85 signal strengths on all local stations.

Hello all, my first post.

Is there any new news on when they'll throw the switch?

I read some time back the transmitters were up and running and putting the antenna on the tower was the last task.

Thanks :D

put forth just a LITTLE effort and you will have your answer

:eek::D

WHDH-LP channel 40 is on the air from Chesteron, directional towards South bend. At 15 KW, this will give you a slight idea as to how far the upcoming
new LD stations from HVS and Weigel will go when they sign on. Try punching 40-1 and see what you get...it's a LeSea station.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=LD1122743.html

WHDH-LD went early because they were forced off of 54 by Qualicomm. I understand that the other LeSea station in the area (24 Valparaiso) will be flash cut to digital soon (remaining on 24 but losing the directional and gaining a lot of coverage). Both of these LeSea signals are broadcast from a tower just south of US6 off of SR49.

(The aptly numbered LP 49 is on a different tower on the same property.)

Well we have a tower crew!! WOO HOOO. Expect the work to start within the next week and a half. Work should take approximately 3 weeks.

Well we have a tower crew!! WOO HOOO. Expect the work to start within the next week and a half. Work should take approximately 3 weeks.

OK, so remember HVS, one tug and I hand you the screwdriver, two tugs for the antenna. Or is the other way around? I can't remember...:D

Nice job getting the crew! So you'll be on by September 28, if all goes well. Best on the crew and your install!

:):):):):):):):):):)

Anyone know what network has ND - Michigan on 9/15?

Anyone know what network has ND - Michigan on 9/15?ABC. I don't believe the miracle of OTA HDTV will happen in time. :(

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tvlistings/gridNFIndex?date=20070915

Anyone know what network has ND - Michigan on 9/15?ABC. I don't believe the miracle of OTA HDTV will happen in time. :(No Happy Birthday for me :( On the positive side, it sounds like we will have ABC HD before October! :D

Work Safe!

:)
Excellent!

Of what the tower climbers will be doing in a week or two. This was video shot by a tower climber on one of their jobs up in Madison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UooPniQ6w7E

That's not climbing! Cheaters. :)

Climb 1000ft dragging a rope or small cable so you can pull up your winch line then lift the antenna and then the coax with cable hangers every couple hundred feet down the cable for each of the three stations, then climb down attaching the coax to the tower every few feet with large brackets without dropping any tools or parts. That's climbing!

PS: Add "paint the cable" to that mix if the tower owner demands it or the cable covers up too much of the aviation paint on the tower.

What's with Channel 34-1 HD broadcasting?

I get a signal level on my HR10-250 OTA input of 92 on channel 35 (34-1) and yet there is no sound, and it basically shows errors and freezeframe images. Last night and today at noon produce the same, messed up results. I have no problem with any of the other digital channels in the area and 34-2 also is fine. Could this still be something in my equipment or is the HD signal from 34-1 fubar?

thanks!

What's with Channel 34-1 HD broadcasting?

I get a signal level on my HR10-250 OTA input of 92 on channel 35 (34-1) and yet there is no sound, and it basically shows errors and freezeframe images. Last night and today at noon produce the same, messed up results. I have no problem with any of the other digital channels in the area and 34-2 also is fine. Could this still be something in my equipment or is the HD signal from 34-1 fubar?

thanks!
Sounds like their DTV exciter needs some tweaking.

I have basic cable and want to get the locals via comcast for now (until ABC-HD goes live and I can drop them). I stopped by their location yesterday and got a Comcast Motorola box for this, but it doesn't have a smart card in it. It won't show a picture.. I keep getting a message that says "One moment please. This channel should be available shortly." I get this on the analog stations as well as the HD stations. I know I am getting signal because the guide is working. It's not a splitter issue; I get the same thing when I go direct from the cable line to the box.

So my question: if any of you have Comcast with basic cable only and a box for HD locals, do you have a smartcard? The lady at the store said that I didn't need a card for locals, but that's the only thing I can think of. I would rather ask here first than talk to customer service in India.....

I have basic cable and want to get the locals via comcast for now (until ABC-HD goes live and I can drop them). I stopped by their location yesterday and got a Comcast Motorola box for this, but it doesn't have a smart card in it. It won't show a picture.. I keep getting a message that says "One moment please. This channel should be available shortly." I get this on the analog stations as well as the HD stations. I know I am getting signal because the guide is working. It's not a splitter issue; I get the same thing when I go direct from the cable line to the box.

So my question: if any of you have Comcast with basic cable only and a box for HD locals, do you have a smartcard? The lady at the store said that I didn't need a card for locals, but that's the only thing I can think of. I would rather ask here first than talk to customer service in India.....

I have a DVR and it does not have a card in the slot.

I get the "One moment please..." screen when the signal goes out or gets too weak for the box. If I tune a channel that I don't subscribe to, I get a message telling me that, not the "One moment please ..." message. I would say that your signal is not strong or clean enough to work with the box. You will probably need a service call to figure it out.

um, I hope none of you ND fans care now if the BIG irish/michigan game is in HD. God forbid if you have to see this battle of 0-2 teams in SD

can anyone recommend a local installer/retailer for directv in the mishawaka area? i know there are shops on mishawaka avenue by logan street, and out on lincolnway past capital. anyone have any experience with either?

Well we have a tower crew!! WOO HOOO. Expect the work to start within the next week and a half. Work should take approximately 3 weeks.

Can't wait for Lost in HD!!!!

Where is the tower located?

Can't wait for Lost in HD!!!!

Where is the tower located?The same place as the analog signals ...

Scroll back a few pages ---
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11111071#post11111071

can anyone recommend a local installer/retailer for directv in the mishawaka area? i know there are shops on mishawaka avenue by logan street, and out on lincolnway past capital. anyone have any experience with either?
I had it installed back in March through DirecTV. The installer they sent was out of Plymouth. He showed up on time and did an excellent job.

I had it installed back in March through DirecTV. The installer they sent was out of Plymouth. He showed up on time and did an excellent job.

yeah i ended up going through directv corporate. install isn't until the 17th :(

finally got sick of comcast. hope directv lives up to the hype.

yeah i ended up going through directv corporate. install isn't until the 17th :(

finally got sick of comcast. hope directv lives up to the hype.


Wierd...I called them last Friday night to come out and replace my 3lnb dish with a 5lnb and they scheduled it for Sunday afternoon...36 hours later. He showed up on time and everything went well.

Wierd...I called them last Friday night to come out and replace my 3lnb dish with a 5lnb and they scheduled it for Sunday afternoon...36 hours later. He showed up on time and everything went well.

avsforum moderators have a bit more pull than us regular joes :)

i had heard the backlog for installation was pretty bad, so i wasnt surpised.

Is there any way to check on progress on the tower- I can't wait for ABC HD.

Per the previous message, construction should start next week.
I'm sure hvs will keep us informed ... keep reading this thread!

Is there any way to check on progress on the tower- I can't wait for ABC HD.

Nope, None. :D

Per the previous message, construction should start next week.
I'm sure hvs will keep us informed ... keep reading this thread!

Oh, I'm sorry, was I supposed to give you guys updates? I figured everyone was lined up along the fence waiting like they were waiting for Tom Hanks. :eek:

Updates are not required, but they are appreciated.
And they will keep us from lining the fences! :D
July 31st Photo: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=86248&d=1185927514

WCWW-LP 25 at the top with WBND-LP 57 just below and WMYS-LP 69 below the guy wire. WBND-LD 49 will fit between these (just above WMYS-LP) with WCWW-LD 27 and WMYS-LD 23 (in that order) just below the current WMYS-LP antenna.

Oh, I'm sorry, was I supposed to give you guys updates? I figured everyone was lined up along the fence waiting like they were waiting for Tom Hanks. :eek:

Nah, don't tell us. I've got a nice souvenier stand set up outside the fence with tower t-shirts and hot dogs and beer for $13 a pop. You'll wreck my racket! :D

You guys crack me up!!! :D We have infact started. Antennas are mounted and transmission line is in progress. Transmitters have been cooking for a couple of weeks (not OTA) to warm them up for the big day. We may be signing on by late week or following weekend!!!! I'll let ya know as we get closer.

And we will keep our antennas pointed and ready.

I have a ? though. Will you be Xmitting HD? I thought we were just talking DTV?

And we will keep our antennas pointed and ready.

I have a ? though. Will you be Xmitting HD? I thought we were just talking DTV?

HD is on of the formats of DTV. WBND and WCWW will be HD, WMYS will be SD for now.

You guys crack me up!!! :D We have infact started. Antennas are mounted and transmission line is in progress. Transmitters have been cooking for a couple of weeks (not OTA) to warm them up for the big day. We may be signing on by late week or following weekend!!!! I'll let ya know as we get closer.So ND beats Michigan in HD next weekend? :)

You can "accidentally" put the ABC HD feed on WCWW --- we won't tell anyone. :D

Yep ... all three antennas in place!

In the combined shot the LD 49 antenna is hiding behind the tower.

Will the audio be 5.1 like the other channels, or is it still going to have a different way of decoding?

We'll have 5.1 on ABC shortly. CW a ways off.

You guys crack me up!!! :D We have infact started. Antennas are mounted and transmission line is in progress. Transmitters have been cooking for a couple of weeks (not OTA) to warm them up for the big day. We may be signing on by late week or following weekend!!!! I'll let ya know as we get closer.

Let's hope it's up and running by Saturday so I can watch Notre Dame lose in HD.

Excuse me if this question has already been answered. Will the new tower/antennas help us receive ABC out here in the fringe area, about 30 miles SE?

Excuse me if this question has already been answered. Will the new tower/antennas help us receive ABC out here in the fringe area, about 30 miles SE?

Well the tower has been around for a couple of years. The new antennas are for DTV. Reception depends on your setup. If you have a decent sized antenna that's aimed properly and decent coax you have a decent chance.

The same place as the analog signals ...

Scroll back a few pages ---
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11111071#post11111071

So it's pretty close to the NBC, FOX & CBS antennas?

I get 16, 22, and 28 perfectly, signal levels in high 80's on my DTV HR20. I can not get 57 no matter what I try.

So it's pretty close to the NBC, FOX & CBS antennas?

We're all in the same general vicinity.

I get 16, 22, and 28 perfectly, signal levels in high 80's on my DTV HR20. I can not get 57 no matter what I try.
Well, if you're looking for the digital signal for channel 57, the reason you can't get it is because they haven't begun transmitting it yet. When they do, it will be on UHF 49.

You will be able to get the digital signals in areas where the analog is hard to receive.
These are good signals (or will be soon).

Also, it appears the HR20 is like the 622: there's no NTSC tuner with which it can receive channel 57. In eighteen months, you won't miss it... ;)

Thanks for the pix, justalurker. I keep on looking at the towers on the way home from work and I never end up swinging by for closer look. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we might have ABC in HD by the weekend!

You really have to look closely. I missed the WBND antenna when at the site and didn't see it until I looked at the photo on the computer. At first glance the WCWW and WMYS antennas looked like one new antenna ... not two. The photos are better than my eyesight. :)

Tnaks all. I will watch this thread for when 57 goes digital!

You really have to look closely. I missed the WBND antenna when at the site and didn't see it until I looked at the photo on the computer. At first glance the WCWW and WMYS antennas looked like one new antenna ... not two. The photos are better than my eyesight. :)

We hid it on purpose. :D If you think WBND-LD is hard to see, you should try our WWME-LP on Sears Tower. It hugs the mono-pole and it's the same color. :eek: You can barely see it from the south if you know what you're looking for.

Excuse me if this question has already been answered. Will the new tower/antennas help us receive ABC out here in the fringe area, about 30 miles SE?

Do you get it now? 30 miles isn't really all that fringe. You should be getting it fairly good now, depending on your antenna setup. I have a 8' uhf only, pointed in the general direction of the SB towers and I get good signals on all the appropriate channels. Oh BTW I'm at 50 miles. ENE of the tower area.

You know that the HR20 will not pick up standard broadcast-only digital. When WBND comes online with digital HD You should be able to pick it up.

You know that the HR20 will not pick up standard broadcast-only digital. When WBND comes online with digital HD You should be able to pick it up.

My mistake, forgot it will only pick up digital!

Provided everything we do goes according to plan, we COULD be on the air tommorow night (Thursday night) with our DTV's. Now I caution you that we COULD be on and thats NOT a definate yes. We still have some work to do tomorrow and pending no problems with the last bit of work we COULD be signing on the digitals tommorow night. So call the bullpen and warm 'em up.:D

Provided everything we do goes according to plan, we COULD be on the air tommorow night (Thursday night) with our DTV's. Now I caution you that we COULD be on and thats NOT a definate yes. We still have some work to do tomorrow and pending no problems with the last bit of work we COULD be signing on the digitals tommorow night. So call the bullpen and warm 'em up.:D

Beeerrrr! Hot dawgggggs! Get 'em while they're hot! Watch the possible sign-on in comfort outside the fence with hot food! Only $28, and that bargain price includes tax! "I Saw ABC sign-on in HD" T-shirts for only $40! Get yer beeerrrr! Hot dawgggggs....;) :D

Best on getting that up, HVS. We're rootin' for ya! I can't wait to see if I can DX those from 60 miles west of Chicago. I usually see analog 25 several times a year clearly, so I bet I can!

Nothing on TV tomorrow night (that isn't a rerun).
I guess I'll be going 23 ... nope ... 27 ... nope ... 49 ... nope ... repeat on my digital tuner all evening long. :)

Certainly there in time for Jimmy's comeback victory this weekend. :D

Thanks for the good news. I hope all goes well on thursday. Ralph43

Provided everything we do goes according to plan, we COULD be on the air tommorow night (Thursday night) with our DTV's. Now I caution you that we COULD be on and thats NOT a definate yes. We still have some work to do tomorrow and pending no problems with the last bit of work we COULD be signing on the digitals tommorow night. So call the bullpen and warm 'em up.:D
Virtual beer on the way, Avs! I'm sure we ALL have our fingers crossed!:D

Provided everything we do goes according to plan, we COULD be on the air tommorow night (Thursday night) with our DTV's. Now I caution you that we COULD be on and thats NOT a definate yes. We still have some work to do tomorrow and pending no problems with the last bit of work we COULD be signing on the digitals tommorow night. So call the bullpen and warm 'em up.:D

That is great i am glad everything is moving right along... So of course this means half of us will be scanning for the channel right after work LoL...

Provided everything we do goes according to plan, we COULD be on the air tommorow night (Thursday night) with our DTV's. Now I caution you that we COULD be on and thats NOT a definate yes. We still have some work to do tomorrow and pending no problems with the last bit of work we COULD be signing on the digitals tommorow night. So call the bullpen and warm 'em up.:D


Sweet!! Hail To The Victors!!!

:) Keep up the good work!

HVS10TRK

Looking forward to watching some HDTV tonight on ABC, good luck

About 15 miles SE and at 5:33, Im not getting anything yet.

Godspeed men, watching ND in SD is torture.

Man, we are spoiled.

23 ... :( 27 ... :( 49 ... :(

Godspeed men, watching ND in SD is torture.

Watching ND in any format this year has been torture.

Touche.

Watching ND in any format this year has been torture.

I dunno, I've kinda enjoyed it...

23 ... :( 27 ... :( 49 ... :(

Yeah, ran into some small delays today. :( Will be back out in the morning to finish. Tommorow (Friday) looking likely.

Yeah, ran into some small delays today. :( Will be back out in the morning to finish. Tommorow (Friday) looking likely.

Just wanted to thank you for keeping us informed. Looking forward to Tommorow.

Yeah, ran into some small delays today. :( Will be back out in the morning to finish. Tommorow (Friday) looking likely.


Thanks for the heads up. Can't wait to watch USC-Nebraska in HD. Fight On!!

Thanks for all the hard work and for the great updates! Can't wait to finally be able to justify the purchase of the HDTV to my wife. LOST in HD: the island has never looked so beautiful!

It's working!!!!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, I am proud to announce that as of 12:20pm EST WBND-LD is ON THE AIR!!!!! WCWW-LD will be next and WMYS-LD after that.

It's working!!!!!!

Spoil my shining moment. :D

sorry man, I'm home sick today and had nothing better to do than keep checking, you guys did a great job.....

In my best Macho Man Savage voice: Ooooooohhhhh Yeahhhh

It's all good. :D We're still playing with them so you may see some minor outages and flickers.

If anybody can please post your signal strength and town compared to other stations. Keep in mind we're only Low Power.

If anybody can please post your signal strength and town compared to other stations. Keep in mind we're only Low Power.


I can't pick up the new signals and I live about 10 miles NW of the towers (Cross Creek subdivision - N of Cleveland, W of Lilac). The signal strengths for NBC, CBS & FOX are between 80-95.

I'm about a mile away. It looks great here. I'll check it out from home in New Carlisle tonight. Congratulations.

Well crap...I have to go from the office straight to the dentist. I won't get to see it until at least 5:30. Will CW be up today as well?

Well crap...I have to go from the office straight to the dentist. I won't get to see it until at least 5:30. Will CW be up today as well?

Yep, just waiting for the tower climbers to clear the top and all 3 will be back on.

So, if I'm not getting it now, then I am proabbly sol?

Yep, just waiting for the tower climbers to clear the top and all 3 will be back on.
So, we should be looking for 23.1, 27.1 and 49.1, correct?

I can't pick up the new signals and I live about 10 miles NW of the towers (Cross Creek subdivision - N of Cleveland, W of Lilac). The signal strengths for NBC, CBS & FOX are between 80-95.

I'm in the same boat, I get Fox at a 99, and Lesea at a 80. Those are my highest and lowest....

No new signals though- maybe you are doing some test and have the station down right now?

just did a scan for new channels just got 16 22 28 34 46 no others...

Yep, just waiting for the tower climbers to clear the top and all 3 will be back on.

Are all 3 going to be on at their allowed maximum signal levels? I'm probably right on the fringe for coverage, but hoping that I might pick up CW in HD!

just did a scan for new channels just got 16 22 28 34 46 no others...


That's what I get also.

Here's hoping they just took the signal off for some reason, and its not so weak.

I think they took it off line because i am less then 10 miles from the towers

I think they took it off line because i am less then 10 miles from the towers

I'm sure there are a few kinks to work out.

*Fingers crossed that all it is is a "minor kink"*

So, we should be looking for 23.1, 27.1 and 49.1, correct?

no . they will show up as 25-1, 57-1, and 69-1.

Here's hoping they just took the signal off for some reason, and its not so weak.

We've been off for a little bit. Tower climbers are done on the tower. We're on now all 3 stations and working on some minor tweaks. Signal may drop off from time to time as we tweak. Otherwise enjoy tonight. :D

I am 4 miles east northeast of the tower.

Wndu 78

Wsbt 93

Wsjv 94

Whme 90

Wnit 84

Wbnd 97!!

Yep got them all now sweet .... 57 69 are perfect... 25 is a little messed up but it is there hehe

Yep got them all now sweet .... 57 69 are perfect... 25 is a little messed up but it is there hehe

Location, approx mileage from towers?

I am 18.8 miles southeast away according to antennaweb. I get wmys at 69 strength wbnd at 87, and wcww at 83, though the picture us like a jumbled weird thing...... on wcww

The audio on wbnd is incredible.

And as a point of reference, here are my other signal strengths

wndu- 97
wsbt 78 (88 on .2 and .3 )
wsjv 100
wnit- 81
whme 89

all the .2 stations are within 2 of the .1 station, unless otherwise noted.

HVS- thanks for giving us a peak into the behind the scenes stuff.

HVS- thanks for giving us a peak into the behind the scenes stuff.

When will the first HD programming be on? Prime time tonight?

23 ... :(
27 ... :) Sig Strength 70-74 on an E* ViP-622 ... 11.38mi East
49 ... :(

Same results on an E* ViP-211

Really odd picture on both receivers ... rebooting.

My dish vip box picks them all up but 25 was glitchy.

I took out a spiltter and now my samsung box picks everything up however 25 is the only one that works completely right.

33 miles south west.

I think I might have to invest in a new coaxial cable to give me that little bit better signal .

25.1 signal level good, but picture is breaking up
57.1 is perfect
69.1 signal level and video good, but no audio
I am in Bristol with a 30 foot tower

25-1 fixed. We're happy with everything and heading home. Enjoy the game this weekend guys and let me know how good it looks.

The reboot helped!

Other OTA DTs at my location:
"16" - 70 but breaking up (bad encoder or multipath?)
"22" - 92
"28" - 85
"34" - 74
"46" - 79

BTW: I have RS's cheapest UHF antenna ... U-75R ... Catalog #: 15-2160

Between White Pigeon and Sturgis MI, 34.7 miles away, towers at 254 degrees, and it looks like I am a bit too far away.

25.1 = peak 63, bouncing between 0 and 58, breakups
57.1 = bouncing signal from 0 to 58, had a peak of 63
69.1 = signal is more stable, 50-53%, still has lots of breakups

By comparison:
16.1 = 88
22.1 = 70
28.1 = 63
46.1 = 83
34.1 = 89

Now I may be able to tweak my antenna, as I was peaking it on 34.1 previously as that was my only channel I was trying for in HD, but now I can get PBS HD over cable, so hopefully I can peak my antenna on CW HD! :)

Location, approx mileage from towers?

Bypass US20 and US 31 (michigain street) about where the new walmart/ chick fila is my location...

25.1 signal level good, but picture is breaking up
57.1 is perfect
69.1 signal level and video good, but no audio
I am in Bristol with a 30 foot tower
I'm in South Bend, not far from the tower and my tuner in the tv can't even pick up 69.1 with bunny ears.

channel- 25 100% signal

57 87% signal

69 92% signal

I'm able to get two of the signals: 25.1 @ 70-75 strength and 57.1 @ 60-65 strength using my DISH ViP622. I'll have to play with the antenna this evening to see if that helps.

25 - 60% signal, perfect picture/audio
57 - 100% signal, perfect picture/audio
69 - 75% signal, perfect picture, NO audio

I am located in Dunlap, just off of US 33.

16 and 22 perfect

Get nothing for 57. What is the chance for a waiver. Located near North Webster, over 30 miles SE.

If anybody can please post your signal strength and town compared to other stations. Keep in mind we're only Low Power.

Compared to some of the DTV stations operating under STAs, your three LD stations are actually rather High Power... :-) Line of sight reception seems to be the key to good DTV reception. With your transmit antennas @ over 900 ft., reception in the area should be quite good.

Up until just over a year ago, the local CW affiliate station, WTTV-DT-48 (4-1) was operating with only 4 kW @ a little over 950 feet (HAAT) from its tower south of Indy in Trafalgar, IN. I live 37 miles north of the tower on the far north side of Indy and using a good high-gain antenna (CM 4221 or 4228, or Antennas Direct 91XG) @ 20-25 feet AGL, plus a preamp, I had a signal reading of 85-90%.

BTW, congratulations in getting the new LDs on the air!

Steve

I'm northwest of Elkhart, about 13 miles from the towers, with a Channel Master 4-bow antenna, and things are looking terrific here:

57.1 (UHF-49): 86%
69.1 (UHF-23): 81% (occasionally bouncing down to 72%)
25.1 (UHF-27): 85%

Time for the happy-dance!
http://userpic.livejournal.com/37500087/7630122

I upgraded my antenna to an amplified version. (Radio Shack DA-5200 Catalog #: 15-2186)
Still using my ViP-211 and ViP-622 DVR receivers. 12 miles out to the East.

23 (69.1) :) ... 66-67 (of 100)
27 (25.1) :) ... 74-75
49 (57.1) :( ... 0

42 (16.x) ... 0-69-73 (bad encoder?)
30 (22.x) ... 85-86
58 (28.1) ... 75-77
35 (34.x) ... 66-68
48 (46.x) ... 70-71

Seeing the other results for 57.1 (49) I'll try again later.
I'll also pull out my old DT tuner some time.

Oh yeah, I forgot to say THANKS! (and congratulations)

As I feared, there is no guide data available from TiVo and I can't even tune to them with the Directv HR20 because Directv has never heard of these channels. For now, I can only view them live on the TiVos and can't see them at all on the HR20.

I upgraded my antenna to an amplified version. (Radio Shack DA-5200 Catalog #: 15-2186)

Those signal strengths seem awfully low for being just twelve miles from the towers with an amplified antenna -- even if it's a Radio Shack (which, sorry to say, I think is mostly overpriced garbage).

Is it possible you have a cabling problem? Or is the amplifier adjustable?

As I feared, there is no guide data available from TiVo and I can't even tune to them with the Directv HR20 because Directv has never heard of these channels. For now, I can only view them live on the TiVos and can't see them at all on the HR20.

I'm glad I'm not the only one going crazy! I was on hold with DirecTV and ended up hanging up. Did DirecTV give you any kind of timeframe as to when those channels will show up in the guide?

I didn't call. I asked about this a while back...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11129078#post11129078

I didn't call. I asked about this a while back...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11129078#post11129078

O.k., so you didn't call DirecTV about it today. I'd like to be able to record these HD channels through the HR20 when the new seasons start in the next few weeks. I am doubting calling DirecTV is gonna change anything, but thought I'd at least call and see...

As I feared, there is no guide data available from TiVo and I can't even tune to them with the Directv HR20 because Directv has never heard of these channels. For now, I can only view them live on the TiVos and can't see them at all on the HR20.


I'm not getting the guide either and I have DISH.

As I feared, there is no guide data available from TiVo and I can't even tune to them with the Directv HR20 because Directv has never heard of these channels.Loser - get a real satellite service! :D

(Just kidding my fellow DBSTalk mod.)I'm not getting the guide either and I have DISH.In the past guide data has appeared the next day when I've added new OTA HD channels (this was true even when I managed to tune in 21.1 WPTA, 24 digital, out of Fort Wayne). Perhaps tomorrow we'll have EPG for 25.1 and 57.1.

I don't expect EPG for 69.1 since E* does not carry that channel.

Mike, are you getting EPG for 46.1 and 46.2? How about the other .2/.3 channels? E* customers in the SB market get all EPG for the old channels.49 (57.1) :( ... 0I realized that my home distribution has a channel on 50 ... when I turned that off I got 49 (57.1) with a 65 signal level. It keeps dropping out. I expect there is interference from 48 (46.1) ... perhaps the ViP tuner can't do side by side channels?

Lost video on 25.1, signal level still good

57.1 ... Irish Rewind at 7:30pm (6:30pm CT) had some letterboxing issues ... very skinny tall football players with double width side panels.

Just tried the new signals 30 miles north of Fort Wayne (well outside the coverage area for the LDs, but South Bend stations have never been particularly difficult to receive here, the main exception being 69). XG91 antenna, no amp. Signals are as follows:

WBND: steady 70, perfectly watchable
WCWW: 40s-50s, occasional drops to 0, no picture or sound
WMYS: 0 (IIRC, it's directional, so that's a given)

(UPDATE just before 9pm: WBND has just started jumping from the 40s to 70 with dropouts, largely unwatchable.)

Irish Rewind is a local show. Likely an issue with the program (editing) itself. What you see on the DTV is what has fed the analog since 12/05. The analog feed of 25 and 57 is a 4:3 crop of the HD.

All: Guide data on the OTA will come soon. 30 days or less. No time to configure right now. Programming will contact DirecTV and Dish so they will fix the guide issue on sat.

Really curious to hear general comments of signal strength and pic quality of all over the weekend. Thanks for all who have posted so far. Keep in mind that unfortunately these are FCC LP-DTV stations. We'd go full power tonight if we could. Hopefully we can get some waivers in the not to distant future to do so.

~4 miles west of tower.
16-1 90
16-2 91
22-1 84
22-2 85
22-3 84
25-1 78 no audio or video now, had it ~5pm
28-1 87
34-1 85 (requires antenna adjustment)
34-2 83
46-1 85
46-2 85
57-1 29 to 54 jumping all over but have video and sound
69-1 80 great video but no audio

getting there, but looks like a few bugs are left

As I feared, there is no guide data available from TiVo and I can't even tune to them with the Directv HR20 because Directv has never heard of these channels. For now, I can only view them live on the TiVos and can't see them at all on the HR20.

I rescanned my local channels on my HR20-700 and 25.1 now shows in the guide the other two don't.

I have not seen any problems on 25.1 or 69.1 ... I have audio and video and have closed captioning on both. (It would be good to note the receiver if you're having problems.)

Hopefully E* will add the 69.1 data - even though they don't carry that channel via satellite. The other two are simple maps and could be easily done.

It's been much better this evening. I've got 25, 57 & 69 in the 70-85 signal strength range but I do get a few dropouts on 57.

I also have the HR20 issue. When I reset the antenna settings and re-scan, I still don't see them. But if I just plug some standard rabbit ears into my actual TV and bypass the HR20, I see them on my TV.

That being said, my HD antenna is currently fed into the back of the HR20. Can I run a splitter off of the antenna and feed both the HR20 and the tuner in my actual TV without and significant signal loss? That way I can still have the guide stuff for other OTA locals, but still have the good antenna feed the TV so that I get a good signal for watching 57-1 until it shows up on the HR20?

Also, I know how to check the signal strength of OTA HD channels with the HR20, but can you also do that through your actual HD TV itself? How are you guys that aren't running Dish or Direct reporting your signal strength?

Thanks for all the hard work on getting these up and running!

I rescanned my local channels on my HR20-700 and 25.1 now shows in the guide the other two don't.

I just rescanned this morning on my HR20 for the new channels and it doesn't pull up any of the new channels. I wonder why yours did and mine didn't. You just went through initial setup again, right?

Also trying to get 25.1 and 57.1. Do not show up in HR20 menu, I'm also going to try and call Directv and see if we can get enough pressure on them to update their guide.

I have tried and tweeked my antenna and I can not pick up the signals. I receive 16-1 and all the earlier stations just fine. I live 15 miles ne near 6 span bridge in Elkhart.

I thought I'd share what I'm getting here in Jimtown.. I tested channel line up last night and did get all 3 of the new channels although 69 had no audio at all. 25-1 and 57-1 worked just fine. However I had forgotten to actually check the signal strength. Just now I checked the new channels with 25-1 at 70% 57 at 85% and absolutely nothing on 69. I also found 57 at 49-1 instead of 57-1. I probably should note I'm using a amplified indoor antennae so I'm sure if I turned the amp off the results would be much different.

However that's all well and good for the upstairs HD tv, now I just got to get the signals down into my basement where my Vista MCE PC is. I'm planning on a out door antennae install very soon so I'll be sure to report back what numbers I'm getting on that.. Right now I'm getting nothing more than channel 28 and I'm surprised I'm even getting that since I'm underground surrounded by concrete. LOL

All: Guide data on the OTA will come soon. 30 days or less. No time to configure right now. Programming will contact DirecTV and Dish so they will fix the guide issue on sat.Thanks ... the EPG didn't "magically appear" overnight on E* as I expected. (That has happened on newly added DTs.)

Two notes when you talk to E* ... 69 isn't carried by E* so I hope you can get them to add the EPG. 25 is carried by E* but still has WMWB as the channel name. While they are fixing things they might as well fix the calls!

Still having issues with 57.1 ... I'm going to try a different receiver and see what is up.

For what it is worth...

I managed to get a 5%-10% signal (couldn't lock it) on my 3rd generation Zenith tuner from 49.1. I've never had, even on big tropo days, *any* sort of digital signal come through on 49.1. And since there was nearly zero tropospheric ducting, I knew it had to be WBND.

With an indoor ChannelMaster 4228 antenna in my attic, with a ChannelMaster 7777 preamp, I was able to see "something" on that channel with 15 kilowatts of power, and a modest null to the west-northwest to protect an analog station in far southeast Wisconsin.

And I'm 60 miles west of Chicago! It will be interesting to see in a few days, as tropo kicks in with a warm front coming through, if I will lock WBND.

I'm using a RCA ANT525 internal amplified antenna in my basement and I'm getting a signal of 90+ on 57.1 today. :):) I moved the antenna to a new location and it really helped 57.1. My FOX signal stayed at 90+ but the NBC & CBS signals dropped to the mid-80s. The 69.1 and 25.1 signal didn't improve but I'm not too worried about that. I don't imagine I'll watch either channel much anyway. I guess I'll just have to move the antenna depending of which channels I want to watch.

However that's all well and good for the upstairs HD tv, now I just got to get the signals down into my basement where my Vista MCE PC is. I'm planning on a out door antennae install very soon so I'll be sure to report back what numbers I'm getting on that.. Right now I'm getting nothing more than channel 28 and I'm surprised I'm even getting that since I'm underground surrounded by concrete. LOL

I have my HDTV in the basement and am pretty happy with my RCA ANT525 internal amplified antenna. You might want to try that until you get your external antenna installed. You can get one at Best Buy for less than $40 or Amazon for $20. I tried numerous internal antennas and that one worked the best for me. I live in NW South Bend (Cross Creek subdivision) and am about 10 miles from the towers.

I made some changes to our DTV processing equipment that *should* resolve the strange issues you may have seen before like missing video or audio, 49-3 and not 57-1, etc.

You may want to do a rescan now to "flush" your tuner of the old settings. If you still see stange issues, I'd appreciate your report.

Guide data on the over the air feed should be working in the next few weeks.

Thanks to all for your feedback!

I'm getting ready for the Mich-ND game and my signal for 57.1 is at 99 right now!!!! :D

Go Blue!!

I have nothing for 57.1 or 49.1 and I'm less than ten miles from the towers. Any suggestions?

For those of you with HR20's not able to see 57.1 for the ND - Mich game. We plugged in the zip code for VA (23235) which has a PBS station on 57.1 and bingo now we can at least watch the game in HD until Direct TV adds it to the OTA lineup for our SB zip code.

I just rescanned this morning on my HR20 for the new channels and it doesn't pull up any of the new channels. I wonder why yours did and mine didn't. You just went through initial setup again, right?

I went into favorites and added it to my favorites list. Now shows up in my favorites and in the guide.

I went into favorites and added it to my favorites list. Now shows up in my favorites and in the guide.

I don't see that channel so therefore I don't know how you can add a channel that isn't there. It's not like you can just "key" in that channel. It has to be able to locate it.

I don't see that channel so therefore I don't know how you can add a channel that isn't there. It's not like you can just "key" in that channel. It has to be able to locate it.

You have to rescan your local channels first then when you go in to edit your favorites 25.1 will be there right after channel 25. You have to check the box for it to show up in your favorites.

You have to rescan your local channels first then when you go in to edit your favorites 25.1 will be there right after channel 25. You have to check the box for it to show up in your favorites.

I rescanned again and it's still not there.

Oh, well. Good thing I have an antenna on the roof and I have excellent reception with that through my HDTV as it has a built-in tuner. :)

Hi! New member here. I've been reading all of your posts and find it very informative. Just thought I'd jump in with a signal strength report. I'm located on the east side of Elkhart near CR11 and Bristol Street.

16.1 @ 89, 16.2 @ 90, 22.1 @ 85, 22.2 @ 85, 22.3 @ 85, 25.1 @ 90, 34.1 @ 90, 34.2 @ 90, 46.1 @ 89, 46.2 @ 89, 57.1 @ 70, and 69.1 @ 68.

I have a rooftop UHF antenna directed to the southwest toward the transmitters and Toshiba HDTV.

With the right antenna and amp, is it possible to receive any Chicago area digital signals around here? I can sometimes receive 32 analog fairly well at night.

I have nothing for 57.1 or 49.1 and I'm less than ten miles from the towers. Any suggestions?


Open your menu and select a channel scan. Some tuners will not let you punch in 49 or 57. It has to do an autoscan to recognize new signals. If that still doesn't work, what type of antenna are you using? 10 miles should be no problem for any of the three new stations.

Sooooooo.......how bout them Irish? :eek: Ouch now I see what you guys mean by painful in any format. Thanks for all the feedback. We really appreciate it. :p

Thanks for the info. I was able to use 46514 as my primary area and 23235 zip as my secondary area and I was able to get my HR20 to pick up 57-1 as well as all the older HD so I feel good except the outcome of the game. On my old receiver I am getting 69-1 at 85 picture is goog but no sound. All other channels are 88 to 95 signal including 57-1 at 88.

I slept through most of the game ... just like the Irish offense and defense. When Michigan State comes to town Saturday it looks like they will break the school record they tied this week. But it's not a rebuilding year ...

At least Michigan looked good in HD this weekend, although I wish the picture had less overscan on ABC's feed. We lost the edges of the screen. (I checked on another ABC HD feed to make sure it wasn't just 57.1 .) The overscan on my set is set up so I get the full picture on screen ... ESPN HD's bars are fully shown but ABCHD seems to get cropped (regardless of affiliate).

I am glad to have the widescreen versions available ... the cropping for NTSC always annoyed me. :)

Sooooooo.......how bout them Irish?
Soooooooo...trying to start a riot? ;) :D

And how our team (Northern Illinois U., where I am) wound up with your backup QB, leaves me scratching my head... :confused:


I slept through most of the game ... just like the Irish offense and defense.

That was a harder hit than they were delivering on the field! :D

Anyway, sounds like the HD feed looked great. I was going to say that there is never a DTV sign-on without outages and glitches, but my engineering wanna-be hat tips to TVMicrowave2002 and HVS for getting this very complicated job done very well. Here in Chicago, they do a great job with the stations they have in town. But it sounds like they hit a home run on their first full day on the air!

Hi! New member here. I've been reading all of your posts and find it very informative. Just thought I'd jump in with a signal strength report. I'm located on the east side of Elkhart near CR11 and Bristol Street.

16.1 @ 89, 16.2 @ 90, 22.1 @ 85, 22.2 @ 85, 22.3 @ 85, 25.1 @ 90, 34.1 @ 90, 34.2 @ 90, 46.1 @ 89, 46.2 @ 89, 57.1 @ 70, and 69.1 @ 68.

I have a rooftop UHF antenna directed to the southwest toward the transmitters and Toshiba HDTV.

With the right antenna and amp, is it possible to receive any Chicago area digital signals around here? I can sometimes receive 32 analog fairly well at night.
Hi Steve,

I vacationed heavily for 15 years 3 miles east-northeast of Etna Green, just north of U.S. 30 on a small lake. The camp master had a big VHF-UHF combination antenna and got the Chicago analogs surprisingly well---at least 7, 9 and 11, and the UHF's.

If you are on a little ridge, you might have some fortune. But line-of-sight is 70 miles with Sears Tower....and you are beyond that. You'd have to get the Winegard HD8200P antenna and a strong preamplifier on a rotor, such as a ChannelMaster 7777, to have a *shot* at it. With that setup, you'd have intermittent reception of Chicago stations, and an equal chance of getting some Fort Wayne stations as well. You'll never get WCIU-DT 27 for obvious reasons (unless you somehow null out 27 in town on a good "skip" night),
but I would think NBC, ABC, WGN, WTTW, WFLD, WSNS, and WPWR
are doable. One gentlemen on here reported getting WPWR-DT from Elkhart this summer. They are the highest up on the Sears Tower antenna, and they also are the strongest DTV signal in Chicago with 1 million watts.

And with that setup, you'd have to point the antenna somewhat *away* from the South Bend towers, due to overloading of your tuner. It's not impossible---a guy in Rockford, IL 90 miles out has this setup, and can lock their PBS affiliate. Amazing, since he has a high-power analog on the same channel interfering with it just 50 miles due north of him. But the 8200P is a very directional, very big, and a very good antenna. If you don't want to get any VHF stations, the ChannelMaster 4228 is much smaller, but very good, and will get you all you need but CBS from Chicago, if you're in range,
along with the CM 7777 preamplifier. It also costs a lot less.

River Park area... amped rabbit ears
16 - 92
22 - 88
25 - not found
28 - 100
34 - 85
46 - 83
57 - 88
69 - 91

Soooooooo...trying to start a riot? ;) :D

And how our team (Northern Illinois U., where I am) wound up with your backup QB, leaves me scratching my head... :confused:As far as I'm concerned, Demetrius Jones just ended his football career. The rules say he can't play this year, and he may have missed the transfer deadline by a couple of days and not be able to play the year after. If he plays in 2009 (or even in 2008 if he made the deadline) he will always be Demetrius Jones* (the QB who quit ND after losing two games in 2007). Quitters don't win - even when they win the games. And the way he walked out without telling the coach or his roommate was totally inappropriate. Demetrius Jones is no longer a football player. He's just a Sophomore working toward a degree.

More info on the departure: http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/9803267.html

BTW: I'm watching Nascar on 57.1 in HD ... nice feed today.

After deleting and rescanning, I still have no audio for 69.1 on my HR10-250 (88 signal strength), but it's there on my standalone TiVo HD.

After deleting and rescanning, I still have no audio for 69.1 on my HR10-250 (88 signal strength), but it's there on my standalone TiVo HD.

69.1 is being fed MPEG2 audio. My guess is the dish receiver only decodes Dolby AC-3. We'll switch 69 to AC-3 audio sometime this week. Most receivers can decode both AC-3 and MPEG2.

69.1 is being fed MPEG2 audio. My guess is the dish receiver only decodes Dolby AC-3. We'll switch 69 to AC-3 audio sometime this week. Most receivers can decode both AC-3 and MPEG2.


OK, thanks. Anything you guys can do to speed up guide data on TiVos, etc. would be greatly appreciated. As it is right now, I can't actually set up and "season passes" to these HD ABC/CW programs because there's no data. Usually during the first few weeks shows get moved around a lot so recording old style by time and channel may not work and would result in missed shows. DVR users never watch programs "live".
Thanks

OK, thanks. Anything you guys can do to speed up guide data on TiVos, etc. would be greatly appreciated. As it is right now, I can't actually set up and "season passes" to these HD ABC/CW programs because there's no data. Usually during the first few weeks shows get moved around a lot so recording old style by time and channel may not work and would result in missed shows. DVR users never watch programs "live".
Thanks

I watch programs live. :D

69.1 is being fed MPEG2 audio. My guess is the dish receiver only decodes Dolby AC-3. We'll switch 69 to AC-3 audio sometime this week. Most receivers can decode both AC-3 and MPEG2.

My Directv H10 receiver also has no audio on 69.1. Using the internal tuner of the set (a Samsung) the H10 is connected to, 69.1 has audio but on-screen channel info reports that the audio language is undefined. The same info display for 25.1 and 57.1 lists the language as English.

On this same set, using the internal tuner, the video for 25.1 is a vertically-stretched pillar-boxed image to the left of the screen, while the remainder of the screen to the right is green. There are no video issues with the set on any other channel.

My Directv H20 receiver refuses to pick up 69.1 when I scan for channels. I am wondering if that is because it does not like the audio.

I am in Granger, near SR23 and Bittersweet, in an aluminum-sided house. Using two of the old-fashioned twin-bowtie indoor antennas connected to the H20, I am receiving 25.1 at 80% signal strength and 57.1 at 87%. Yesterday's games on 57.1 had a great picture and good sound. Thanks!

hvs, Thanks for getting us ABC HD in time for the Notre Dame beat down. It would've been fun to watch in SD but it was a blast to watch in HD.

I'm getting no new channels on my HR20 after scanning, is there anything I need to do? Does Direct need to fix it?

69.1 is being fed MPEG2 audio. My guess is the dish receiver only decodes Dolby AC-3. We'll switch 69 to AC-3 audio sometime this week. Most receivers can decode both AC-3 and MPEG2.FYI: The HR10 is a DirecTV receiver. The Dish Network ViP receivers decode 69.1 quite well (at least in my home).

Intimidator ...
Look back a few posts to here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11632348#post11632348) for a zip code you can use to trick your receiver into seeing 57.1 . Yes, D* has to fix it so it looks for 23 (69.1), 27 (25.1) and 49 (57.1) in our area.

How long do we think it will take for antennaweb to start listing the new channels?

How long do we think it will take for antennaweb to start listing the new channels?

Try this site...................
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
All three of the new channels are listed and it even takes into consideration
the directional signals from WBND-LD and WMYS-LD by recalculating the actual signal available at your location.

Here's the power explanation from the site.......
"Xmit(kW)....This is the amount of power (in kilowatts) that the broadcaster is transmitting in your direction. Since many broadcasters use directional antennas to focus most of their broadcast energy into populated areas, this power level may be different than the raw power level shown by the FCC. This value has already been adjusted for your location according to the radiation pattern registered with the FCC."

For example, I plugged in Plymouth, IN as my location. Because WMYS-LD is sending very little signal that direction due to its directional antenna.....
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=LD1154618.html
the site indicates the actual amount of signal being received at that location.

Steve

69.1 is now broadcasting Dolby AC-3 audio. Those who have tuners that could not decode MPEG2 audio should now be happy.

Our programming department added 25.1, 57.1, and 69.1 to the Tribune guide data service. Both DirecTV and DISH use TNS for their guide data. They assured me that it should show up in the next few days.

Has the guide data for the new DT's been sent to Zap2It? That's going to be a big deal for those of us that use Windows Media Center. I think SageTV uses Zap2It as well for their EPG.

Has the guide data for the new DT's been sent to Zap2It? That's going to be a big deal for those of us that use Windows Media Center. I think SageTV uses Zap2It as well for their EPG.

I sent Zap2it the info myself a couple days ago.

Has the guide data for the new DT's been sent to Zap2It? That's going to be a big deal for those of us that use Windows Media Center. I think SageTV uses Zap2It as well for their EPG.

Zap2it is the electronic guide data service of Tribune Media Services.

Awesome! I'm relieved to know I'm covered. :) Now I just got to get my outdoor antenna installed tomorrow. I suspect I'll be able to pull in all the local DT's with out a hitch. I can't wait to start watching everything in HD again. :) Even the standard def digital on broadcast looks better than what I get on cable. That's not the fault of Comcast though as I'm running a digital box to an analog tuner card in my PC. Can't win them all I guess.

do any of you have any inside sources about when directv will be getting the locals in HD?

they lied to me when i called to order, saying they already had them for this area, therefore i didnt get an off-air antenna installed when i got the slimline dish installed, and im guessing my waiver request to get the NYC fox, cbs, etc., won't get approved.

do any of you have any inside sources about when directv will be getting the locals in HD?

they lied to me when i called to order, saying they already had them for this area, therefore i didnt get an off-air antenna installed when i got the slimline dish installed, and im guessing my waiver request to get the NYC fox, cbs, etc., won't get approved.

Maybe with the next round of HD lauches they keep talking about. If they plan on launching HD locals out there they haven't told us yet.

i bit the bullet and bought a powered indoor antenna.

if a guy like you doesn't know when something related to HDTV isn't going to happen, then no one will. thanks for the reply.

I am having problems with 27.1 (CW 25). I have a brand new 32" Toshiba LCD, and it has, since the new stations have come on air, worked fine with ABC 57.1 and 27.1. (69 is intermittent, bad signal here). Now 27.1 is not accessible. I have about 70% signal, with 27.1 coming up as virtual digital channel 25 when I run the signal diagnostic, and yet it doesn't display a picture or sound, nor does it find it in autoprogram. And it worked just fine three hours ago. As I switch through channels, when it gets to 25.1, it won't continue through the channels.
Anyone else have issues like this?

I've got 25 and 57 working now by replacing a 50 foot cable with a new rg6 one.

WBND is coming in between 82-84 on my Dish ViP211 located about two miles from the tower. WCWW is a little better at 85-86, and WMYS shows up at 72-74.

As a comparison, WNDU-DT is 94-96, WSBT-DT is 86-87, WSJV-DT is 95-97, WNIT-DT is 92-94, and WHME-DT is 88-90.

Regarding audio, I noticed that I was decoding the ND game as 2/0. I assume that is because ABC doesn't do Dobly, but still has CircleSound (or whatever their proprietary surround-sound technique is called)? Will WCWW by Digital Dolby 3/2.1?

I wanted to thank hvs10trk and tvmicrowave2002 for posting here to let us know the status of their Digital transition and all of the employees at Weigel that made this possible. I am looking forward to Dish getting their EPG updated with the change so I can stop entering an unlock to access the "NR/AO" programming (according to Dish) on WBND and WCWW. I don't hold much hope for WMYS unless Dish adds this to their SBN LiL package.

Great Job!!! And a nice Birthday present, I must say... :D

WBND is coming in between 82-84 on my Dish ViP211 located about two miles from the tower. WCWW is a little better at 85-86, and WMYS shows up at 72-74.

As a comparison, WNDU-DT is 94-96, WSBT-DT is 86-87, WSJV-DT is 95-97, WNIT-DT is 92-94, and WHME-DT is 88-90.

Regarding audio, I noticed that I was decoding the ND game as 2/0. I assume that is because ABC doesn't do Dobly, but still has CircleSound (or whatever their proprietary surround-sound technique is called)? Will WCWW by Digital Dolby 3/2.1?

I wanted to thank hvs10trk and tvmicrowave2002 for posting here to let us know the status of their Digital transition and all of the employees at Weigel that made this possible. I am looking forward to Dish getting their EPG updated with the change so I can stop entering an unlock to access the "NR/AO" programming (according to Dish) on WBND and WCWW. I don't hold much hope for WMYS unless Dish adds this to their SBN LiL package.

Great Job!!! And a nice Birthday present, I must say... :D

ABC does infact offer DD 5.1 with their HD service. We should be adding it down the line. For the moment its 2.0. CW is not anytime soon.

Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you.............:D

WBND is coming in between 82-84 on my Dish ViP211 located about two miles from the tower. WCWW is a little better at 85-86, and WMYS shows up at 72-74.

As a comparison, WNDU-DT is 94-96, WSBT-DT is 86-87, WSJV-DT is 95-97, WNIT-DT is 92-94, and WHME-DT is 88-90.

Regarding audio, I noticed that I was decoding the ND game as 2/0. I assume that is because ABC doesn't do Dobly, but still has CircleSound (or whatever their proprietary surround-sound technique is called)? Will WCWW by Digital Dolby 3/2.1?

I wanted to thank hvs10trk and tvmicrowave2002 for posting here to let us know the status of their Digital transition and all of the employees at Weigel that made this possible. I am looking forward to Dish getting their EPG updated with the change so I can stop entering an unlock to access the "NR/AO" programming (according to Dish) on WBND and WCWW. I don't hold much hope for WMYS unless Dish adds this to their SBN LiL package.

Great Job!!! And a nice Birthday present, I must say... :D


I second the thanks to hvs10trk and tvmicrowave2002!

I live in Bridgman,MI 49106. I don't know how far that is in a straight line to the tower, here is what I get anyway using a DISH VIP-211 :

16- 100%
22- 99%
25- 85%
28- 100%
34- 96%
46- 84%
57- 77%
69- 85%

I'm receiving 100% on all local transmissions with the except of 69 at a solid 89%

I used to refuse to watch ABC and would get mad whenever sporting events where carried there instead of ESPN. Not any more, it's like I have a completely new channel.

Thanks

I just got my antenna installed and man do all the DT's look beautiful! I'm getting all of the channels I used to get all solid greet with only the LP digital stations being in the mid yellow but that's still more than enough for a great picture. :) I'd give the numbers by percentage if I could but Windows Media Center just doesn't roll like that. If anyone knows of any pc apps that can measure signal strength using my tuner cards please let me know.

Now I'm just anxiously awaiting Zap2It to get on the ball and start updating the new channels. Unfortunately Media Center doesn't give the option to grab the guide data that's being transmitted with each channel.. I think that's a shame because I'd just use that in a pinch until Zap2It get's updated. I can barrow guide data from the cable channels but that's kind of flaky the way that works. Unfortunately Media Center isn't playing nice and passing that surrogate guide data off to my Xbox..

I almost forgot, my digital tuner cards are AVerTVHD MCE A180's. If you have Vista Premium or Ultimate it's well worth getting this card or any digital card. Very much well worth it!

So compared to all other stations; Who else is completely dissatisfied with the HD quality of WNDU/NBC? I've noticed that everything becomes pixelated with motion.

Also, Does anyone else have trouble getting WSBT? It doesn't work every other day, or cuts out a lot for me, but everything is else perfect.

I've been having problems with WSBT lately, and as luck would have it, my wife called me at lunch telling me on the noon newscast Mike Collins mentioned that they are transmitting on a low power antenna right now, but will be upgrading next week sometime to a high power. I don't know why it's low right now, she didn't have details. Maybe their website has more info.