Has anyone tried to contact the local ABC about their blury picuture, Especially during football games? They have been unresponsive about returning calls. The lady who answered the phone tried to blame the network-which shouldn't be the case. The same stuff is used for the ESPN broadcasts and their productions look great.

Darn, I missed out on seeing this.

Nice to hear they're doing tests though.

You have another chance to see it in action.
Another digital TV test will happen this Monday, January 12 at 7pm. Once again, it will only last for 5 minutes.

edit 1/12: Only KFSN and KMPH did the test, while KSEE is doing another DTV local infomercial special. This time, KFSN on analog cable displayed the "You're ready for DTV" message, KMPH on analog cable displayed the "This channel will not work after Feb 17" but had a marquee on the bottom saying that you're ready.

Also, it looks like the random On Demand programming that pops up between QAM channels 83 and 86 are now all encrypted and unviewable. :(
QAM 69.3 is unscrambled, but it looks like another preview channel.

KFTV's picture is squished with thin vertical black bars and a funny framerate. What's going on here?

I am wondering if there is anybody else having trouble with KMPH having signal issues at nightime. During the day it seems to be good but after say 7pm and onward, my OTA signal stays around 90 but I lose signal quite frequently and have a terrible time watching shows. I hope they clear this up as we get closer to Feb 17.

I am wondering if there is anybody else having trouble with KMPH having signal issues at nightime. During the day it seems to be good but after say 7pm and onward, my OTA signal stays around 90 but I lose signal quite frequently and have a terrible time watching shows. I hope they clear this up as we get closer to Feb 17.

I would have to pin it down, but I do remember one local channel losing signal periodically last week. It was kind of random but there was a time when it kept occurring for an hour or so. In fact it seemed to be happening during one of the playoff games last week. Problem there, it may not be a local issue.
I need to keep a closer watch.

KMPH-DT has been giving us sporadic problems, too. It got bad enough one night I swung the antenna around (they're off to the north east for us) but it didn't seem to help.

I also have problems with KMPH. It started with the new fall shows. There is a audio and video breakup every 4 to 5 minutes. The signal strength I receive in my area is between 85 and 95 percent. I get a better reception on KFSN 30 with a signal strength between 35 and 50 percent. Is there anything I can do to help?

Rick

Welcome to the forum, Rick.

I’m beginning to think multipath rather than weak signal is behind my problems and maybe yours, too. I sure don’t understand why things seem to be worse now, though. The common symptoms seem to be a varying signal, macroblocking and dropouts. The usual solutions involve fiddling the location and orientation of the antenna (up, down, left, right, this way and that), using a more directional antenna, or maybe lowering the signal strength (with an eye to dropping the reflection signal low enough for the tuner to ignore it).

I even tried turning my antenna 180 degrees away from KMPH's transmitter to no good effect. I'm frustrated that the tuners in my cheap-o digital converter boxes seem more immune than the tuner in my pricey TV, but they are a year newer.

For now, I guess, the solution is to experiment, experiment, experiment.

Thanks for the heads up. I have a Directv DTV that's the problem. We have a digital TV that does not show the dropouts to the same extent. It still has small video and audio blips but not as bad as the DTV. There both hooked up to the same outside antenna so I'm not sure what to fiddle with next, but thanks again for information.

Rick

I've been told that VTV, as seen on KGPE 47-2, has shut down. Of the six markets other than Fresno that had VTV, three have picked up Untamed Sports TV, two got RTN, and one is airing local news and weather. What is on 47-2 now?

Thanks. =)

- Trip

On clear QAM, it's still VTV (Variety TV) and the same crap no one wants to watch. It had an odd size ratio too, with the screen stretched out more.

KFTV and KTFF fixed the squished picture/framerate problem.

I have a question about dtv is KMPH on the channel line up for Fresno area. is my reciever not picking up the channel or have they not put the station to digital yet? I've tried to find out more info online but can't seem to find anything. Thanks for your Help!

KMPH is definitely broadcasting digital. Try tuning to channel 28, the channel their signal is being broadcast over. You shouldn’t need to do this, but it might help.

thank you so much coco it worked i really appreciate it!!

I've been reading some of the recent complaints about FOX and ABC but they seem great to me compared to NBC and CBS. As earlier mentioned, NBC and CBS are the worst culprits of mixing analog signals into it. First of all I give NBC's fresno affiliate HD broadcast of the Superbowl a huge thumbs down, there were those analog distortions in the motion all through the f'ing game. Fox's Bowl coverage was alot better and I wish NBC didn't get the superbowl. We are all waiting until february 17 to see if getting the analog stuff out of the air makes a difference.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/

HD Locals Market Launches: Launching on February 18th: Cedar Rapids, IA; Champaign, IL; Dayton, OH; Fresno, CA; New Orleans, LA; Toledo OH.

Dish Network won't provide those HD channels for free, right?

Also, if you haven't read everywhere else, the House of Representatives approved the DTV switchover delay to June 12 and the president will most likely approve it.

Dish Network won't provide those HD channels for free, right?

Also, if you haven't read everywhere else, the House of Representatives approved the DTV switchover delay to June 12 and the president will most likely approve it.

Well, I am not sure what the DTV switchover has to do with it. If you have been getting HD locals with an antenna you will now be able to get the same ones through Dish. Cable & Satellite subscribers are not affected by the DTV changeover.
I think there is only one charge for locals via Dish, HD or not.

Sorry, I didn't mean those two sentences to be related.

We're switching from Comcast to Dish Network and the people paying for it don't give a care about anything HD unless it's for news or Spanish programming. We're also far enough away for small indoor antennas to not receive a strong signal from the broadcast towers north of Fresno and we have no outdoor antenna. :(

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A front page story from today's Visalia Times-Delta described certain stations nationwide going ahead with the digital changeover on Feb. 17. The story is not online yet.

In summary, it says that for the local channels, KFTV Univision ch. 21, KVPT PBS ch. 18, KAIL MyTV ch. 53/7, and KFRE CW ch. 59 will delay their digital changeover to June 12.

Stations that are undecided about switching over on either February or June are KFSN ABC ch. 30, KSEE NBC ch. 24, KMPH FOX ch. 26, KGPE CBS ch. 47, and KMSG Azteca ch. 39.

Sorry, I didn't mean those two sentences to be related.

We're switching from Comcast to Dish Network and the people paying for it don't give a care about anything HD unless it's for news or Spanish programming. We're also far enough away for small indoor antennas to not receive a strong signal from the broadcast towers north of Fresno and we have no outdoor antenna. :(

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A front page story from today's Visalia Times-Delta described certain stations nationwide going ahead with the digital changeover on Feb. 17. The story is not online yet.

In summary, it says that for the local channels, KFTV Univision ch. 21, KVPT PBS ch. 18, KAIL MyTV ch. 53/7, and KFRE CW ch. 59 will delay their digital changeover to June 12.

Stations that are undecided about switching over on either February or June are KFSN ABC ch. 30, KSEE NBC ch. 24, KMPH FOX ch. 26, KGPE CBS ch. 47, and KMSG Azteca ch. 39.

That certainly is a different, but related issue. Serve the greater good while ignoring what's happening in your own backyard. Nothing new there, unfortunately.
I remember when I lived in San Jose, and ch. 11 became an NBC affiliate, some folks were upset because there was a blind spot in the South Bay that could only get a very weak signal. The station would send out a free antenna cut to their frequency to anybody who requested it.

Rumor has it that Fresno/Visalia area will be getting Local HD channels through Dish Network on February 18th.

Source: http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/147128-list-hd-local-markets-not-available-dish-network.html

I'm looking forward to it. If that is the case, I can record 3 HD channels at the same time. OH YEH!!!!:D

Dish Network won't provide those HD channels for free, right?

Also, if you haven't read everywhere else, the House of Representatives approved the DTV switchover delay to June 12 and the president will most likely approve it.

I believe that if you subscribe to local channels (SD) already you will get the HD channels for free. Assuming that you have a HD package.

...which we won't have. :/ Time to shop for antennas for me.

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I just saw an announcement on KVPT saying they will go ahead and switch to digital on Feb 17. They said that the main reason for the switch is that they cannot afford to broadcast both analog and digital until June.

So far, I’ve seen KVPT18, KSEE24, and KGPE47 indicate they intend to switch off analog in February. KFSN30 is saying they’ll switch in June. I haven’t seen anything from KMPH26 or any of the rest of the Fresno lot.

Are you sure about that? All the major networks said they're waiting until June to switch.

The only channel that's switching on Feb 17th should be PBS and probably the independent broadcasters.

It was true when I wrote that, but minds have changed since then. As it stands you’re right; only KVPT has firmly announced they’ll drop analog in February.

It was true when I wrote that, but minds have changed since then. As it stands you’re right; only KVPT has firmly announced they’ll drop analog in February.

Good for KVPT (for now). I think the delay has caused more issues than it's solved.

KVPT is now off-the-air, sort of. They still have an analog signal, but the channel just displays an orange screen. I attached a screengrab if you have no antenna and are curious what the analog channel now shows.

In hopefully unrelated events, KSEE is off on Dish Network. I don't know if KSEE digital over-the-air is down or if Dish did something wrong. KSEE analog over-the-air still works.

edit : just when I posted, this appears on 24...
"Sorry for the interruption. There is no need to call us. We are aware that this TV station is temporarily unavailable and we will have this channel back as quickly as possible." Thanks Dish, I guess.

edit2 : 1am, 18 analog is gone with no signal.
now 49, 53, and 59 are off on Dish. 49 analog works, and I can't pick up analog 53 and 59 with my indoor antenna.

Anyone know which channel numbers the HD locals for Dish Network should be on. I don't see them yet today, although it is early. Will they just show up?

**EDIT** Just answered my own question. They will be on 5260-5263. We are ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC.

Anyone know which channel numbers the HD locals for Dish Network should be on. I don't see them yet today, although it is early. Will they just show up?

**EDIT** Just answered my own question. They will be on 5260-5263. We are ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC.

Just found this on Dish Network's web page. It's their local HD packaging and ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox are on it. If you go to the following link you can see the information. I just typed in my zip and got the following results.

https://customersupport.dishnetwork.com/customernetqual/prepAddress.do

NBC
http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/channel.aspx?channel=52835

Network: FRESNO NBC-KSEE HD
Channel Name: KSEE
Channel Number: 5262
Category: LOCALS

ABC
http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/channel.aspx?channel=52833

Network: FRESNO ABC-KFSNHD
Channel Name: KFSN
Channel Number: 5260
Category: LOCALS

CBS
http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/channel.aspx?channel=52834

Network: FRESNO CBS-KGPE HD
Channel Name: KGPE
Channel Number: 5261
Category: LOCALS

FOX
http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/channel.aspx?channel=52836

Network: FRESNO FOX-KMPH HD
Channel Name: KMPH
Channel Number: 5263
Category: LOCALS

KSEE is off on Dish Network. I don't know if KSEE digital over-the-air is down or if Dish did something wrong. KSEE analog over-the-air still works.

edit : just when I posted, this appears on 24...
"Sorry for the interruption. There is no need to call us. We are aware that this TV station is temporarily unavailable and we will have this channel back as quickly as possible." Thanks Dish, I guess.


I have OTA. KSEE 24.1 and the rest of their digital channels went off the air sometime yesterday and are still off as of this morning.

I have OTA. KSEE 24.1 and the rest of their digital channels went off the air sometime yesterday and are still off as of this morning.

I wish I would have checked this morning. I know 30.1 with my OTA antenna works but I didn't turn to 24.1 What about 24.2 and 24.3?

It's KSEE's problem.

From ksee24.com on the front page
Digital Power Outage

KSEE 24 is experiencing a power outage at our digital transmitter site. PG&E is working on the problem. PG&E estimates power should be restored around 5 p.m. today.

Imagine if the digital changeover stayed at yesterday and this happened. :eek:

53 came back on Dish, while 49 and 59 are still just a black screen. Are their digital over-the-air channels down as well?

Dish local HD's are up! Finally I can reliably get abc in HD!

Dish local HD's are up! Finally I can reliably get abc in HD!

What Dish channel?

I still only see 8965 and it still looks analog...and 30-01 where I get OTA, in HD.
I don't see any 52XX channels even after re-booting my DVR.

Update from ksee24.com : The digital broadcast tower will stay down until "sometime in Thursday".

Is it necessary to have a 129 dish to receive locals in HD? I have 61.5 (2 dishes) and still only get HD locals via OTA....my dish locals are still SD.

I have to get a new Dish 1000 or re-aim my 61.5 to 129. Will call Dish in the morning. Prefer a 1 dish solution anyway.
They will be out Tuesday with a new Dish...

KSEE is back on Dish. It looks like they are using the analog feed with very low volume instead of using the HD feed with sides cut off like they did before the outage.

ksee24.com doesn't say anything about the outage anymore, so I guess their digital channel is back up.

edit : 24 on Dish is back to normal. No more low volume or analog feed.

All of the local HD channels are above the SD channels when you are in "Guide."

I am very happy that Dish finally has given us local HD, seems to kind of justify the price they are charging. Comparing OTA HD with Dish HD and I think that HD OTA looks better, what do you guys think?

All of the local HD channels are above the SD channels when you are in "Guide."

I am very happy that Dish finally has given us local HD, seems to kind of justify the price they are charging. Comparing OTA HD with Dish HD and I think that HD OTA looks better, what do you guys think?

Nice, huh? Well, I have to get my old 2 dish (61.5) changed out for a 1000+ which happens on Tuesday. They charged me $60 for that but I sent an email to them asking if 10 years of loyalty counts for anything...they waived the fee.

Anyone else notice the quality difference with channel 18 since the station went full digital?

18.1 is now the HD channel and 18.2 is the SD channel. However, I have yet to see a true HD show on 18.1. Everything is the regular feed upscaled and stretched -- it looks like crap. Not only that, but we used to get different programming on each channel but now it's the same on each channel. Junk. The FCC should force them to broadcast analog if this is going to be their version of digital transition.

As for 24 and 59 -- what gives? They've been down for days now and nothing. Like someone else said, it appears to be a good thing that the deadline was extended, but my conspiracy side thinks it was because of lobbying by networks, not on the behalf of customers.

Here in Bakersfield we get KVPT via a digital translator station. I definately noticed the decline in quality since last Wednesday. The picture on 18-1 doesn;t even fill the screen properly. There are small black bars on all sides. The image quality is not true HD. One of my tv sets, a Vizio 20 inch HDTV, will not receive 18-1 or 18-2 at all, althougth it will receive 18-3. Rescanning does not help. MY Durabrand SDTV required a rescan, but will receive it now. Is their PSIP data messed up? Is the Bakersfield translator suffering additional problems that the main signal is not?

LinkUs sent just one guy over to do my Dish changeout (from a 110/119 Dish and a 61.5 dish 500 to a single 1000.2).
He was great! Did it right the first time and did a very neat job!
Got my localHDs now!:)

I can finally receive all three sub channels from KVPT on my Directv Hr20-700. I am disappointed that KVPT has dropped the nation PBS HD feed and now is running the same programing on their sd and hd channel. Luckily I have an HD FTA receiver and can receive the PBS national HD feed. KVPT please bring back the national hd feed.

I can finally receive all three sub channels from KVPT on my Directv Hr20-700. I am disappointed that KVPT has dropped the nation PBS HD feed and now is running the same programing on their sd and hd channel. Luckily I have an HD FTA receiver and can receive the PBS national HD feed. KVPT please bring back the national hd feed.

The national PBS-HD feed ended on 12/21/2008. It's been replaced with a national PBS feed which contains a ton of upconverted SD and a lot of overlap with the local station schedule. You're not missing anything. (Especially since you have FTA!)

- Trip

Install by LinkUs was 1st class! Note signal strength at 129 was the weakest of the 3, but certainly good enough. Dish claims 129 has at least twice the power of the old one, but I understand their guys are still tweaking on it some..it may not be cranked all the way.

The national PBS-HD feed ended on 12/21/2008. It's been replaced with a national PBS feed which contains a ton of upconverted SD and a lot of overlap with the local station schedule. You're not missing anything. (Especially since you have FTA!)

- Trip

Well that's just bull. They won't get a penny from me during the pledge drive. Their quality sucks.

When the heck is Comcast gonna give us some new HD channels in Fresno? It's been forever since we got any!

Another reason why I have DishNet. :)

I switched to Directv a few weeks ago from Comcast and I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner. When Comcast asked why I was quitting, I told them their HD channel selection is terrible. They had no response. Now I get more channels for $30 less a month, and that's before the DTV promo!

IMO DirecTV is way better, lower price and more channels. My base rate with two DVR's is less than what Comcasat chareged for 1 DVR and 1 converter. The only thing I miss from them is the local weather from the Weather Channel. But the NFL channel at no additional charge makes up for it.

How's 30-1 and 30-2 looking today? ABC launched dual HD today...

- Trip

I'm seeing both 30-1 and 30-2 OTA at 720p. Video seems fine.The audio can still be screwy, depending on origin, I think.

TBS HD on this morning. Channel 953

how is the programing on 30-2 and what replaced weather plus on 24-2?? is there still weather on 30??

I will be installing an OTA setup late June in Tulare. I am putting up a main UHF antenna,,, but have a VHF port on the pre-amp. I plan to build a simple dipole and need to know what frequency to cut it for.
Any suggestions for what channel? 10 from Bakersfield?
Keith

These stations will be VHF after the transition:

KAIL-DT 7 (MyN and RTN) Fresno
KERO-DT 10 (ABC and Azteca) Bakersfield
KNSO-DT 11 (Telemundo) Merced

So it's really up to you as to exactly which channel you want to cut your dipole for.

- Trip

7 kail - mytv/rtn
5 knso - telmundo (will flashcut to 11 after transition)
9 kfsn - abc (will flashcut to 30 after transition)
are both from fresno.

10 kero - abc
is from bakersfield


Are you pointing north or south? if you want fresno locals (which tulare is technically covered by the fresno market), point north and cut at 7

if you want bakersfield locals, point south and cut at 10

Is anyone else having problems receiving ABC 30? I have not had any signal from 30 (and none from 43 either BTW) since Thursday (5/28) evening. I originally thought it may have been a transmitter issue due to big thunderstorms here Thursday evening, but now that is probably just coincidence. FOX, CBS, NBC are all fine.
I run a Vista Ultimate x64 Media Center server with Avermedia PCIe ATSC tuner cards. It could be a Media Center issue as CBS 47 had problems a couple years back with it until I got an engineer to fix their MUX. Maybe 30 did some "upgrades" too recently?

Media Center needs better than normal signal strength for smooth operation.

That said, with digital, when you get signal, you get signal..

I am receiving 30 fine in Exeter. I just watched the Indy Car race.

...CBS 47 had problems a couple years back with it until I got an engineer to fix their MUX.

What were the exact problems? Last year, I had an HDTV that wouldn't show the video portion of 47, just audio. I thought it was the TV's fault and returned it.

ToadMazter, I’ve seen tuners on TV and converter boxes ‘forget’ channels. Tuning to the real, not virtual, channel reminded the tuner and cured things. I suppose a rescan would, too. I imagine ABC 30 is still using real channel 9 so maybe tuning that might do some good.

I am receiving 30 fine in Exeter. I just watched the Indy Car race.

Thanks for the reply. Saves me from patching a coax to one of my TV's to test... call me lazy! ;)


I'll call the station tomorrow and speak to one of their engineers. Its likely that a change was made to their transmission equipment in preparation for the final cutover. Media Center is notorious for not tuning ATSC like most receivers do, so I'll continue troubleshooting. When it works it is FANTASTIC.... good thing this happened after the season finale of Lost :D .

A DTV commercial on KMPH stated that KMPH and KFRE will turn off their analog signals on Friday, June 12 at 9:02am. It sounds like they're doing something special in the morning before the switch.

KSEE is shutting off their analog signal at 7:00am on June 12.

KFSN is shutting off their analog signal and switching the digital signal to 30 at 12 noon on June 12.

It's a bit odd that everyone is turning digital at different times.

edit 6/5 : looks like KSEE's digital broadcast tower was down again. :eek: Their HQ was down as well (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl_StiSEghA), but the analog signal is still up.
edit 4:30 : it's all back up.

another edit:

KNSO Telemundo analog 51 is going to be a "nightlight station" and stay on until June 26.

Spanish stations KFTV and KTFF will shut off their analog signals at 11:59pm, the absolute latest time an analog station can be up.

KGPE 47 is shutting off their analog channel at 11:59pm as well.

Question for all Directv users. For the last week I've had problems with HD channels 218, 306, and 311. They video and audio freezes with heavy macroblocking on and off. It is basically unwatchable. I get the message on screen that says "searching for satellite signal". All other HD channels work fine.

Directv customer service wasn't any help. They want to send out a tech($49 fee) to look into the problem.

Any one experiencing the same issues?

I have downloaded the HDTV maps for Fresno & Bakersfield. (We do get some Bakersfield analog stations, but no HD yet.) They are quite hard to figure out, mostly due to lack of details.
We live N/E of Reedley, below Hwy 180, in a sorta straight line between Sanger & Orange Cove.

We can get HD for most Fresno stations, but nothing for KSEE24. They have not answered as to wheather or not they are bradcasting in HD yet.

Can anyone expalin things???

Hi, traderjim. KSEE24 is indeed broadcasting in HD and you may be able to pick up digital from Bakersfield. If you can nail the KVPT signal I’d think you should be able to nail the KSEE signal. Maybe a re-scan or try tuning to 38, KSEE’s real channel.

It also apprears that KSEE24 will be using another tower location, go figure. We can eaily get KVPT 18 & movied the antena to no avail this evening. May have to get another antena or invest in a rotator, this is crazy.

On either map it looks like we are in the no signal area. Will try the 38 route.

Jim

Oh, that’s right. KSEE moved up north with channels 30 and 47. Gotta go update Google Earth. <grin> Still, if you get them 24 shouldn’t be a problem.

OK,did a 180 on the antenna - still nothing! Would coax from the antenna down help? Don't think much if any. Signal amplifieres only amplify the background noise so it can bee seen on the screen. Tried that avenue with my MIL's change over.

We live for KSEE24/ NBC, can't stand that greek idiot on KMPH26 that thinks the sun rises and sets in him. FOX network should be shut down for lack of decency.

Jim

Coax or twinlead; a well installed twinlead setup (twisted line, stand-offs, etc) ought to be fine, although I use coax here. A quality amp installed at the antenna can make a big difference when fishing for a marginal signal on a long cable run, but locating the antenna in a better location, especially higher, is the route I’d try first. What are you using for an antenna?

Just to confirm: you get digital OK from KGPE (which is transmitting on UHF) and KFSN (on channel 9 right now) OK.

How funny. I have a similar problem. Almost all major digital channels come in fine except for KFSN and KSEE. I'm in Visalia using a 2-bay UHF antenna stuck in the top shelf of my closet, about 8 feet high. The antenna is pointing north-northwest and at a small angle upward.

KFSN digital is VHF until Friday afternoon so I'll wait until then.

I also can't get KSEE digital perfect. The TV says that the SNR swings wildly between 17 to 23 dB with breakups all over the place, while the other channels come in at a steady 25 dB and up with little to no hiccups. I have no idea what numbers I'm suppose to get here.

Also, I seem to get better reception of KSEE digital if the antenna is laying down on my bed or on the floor. :confused:

I don't know if a 4-bay UHF antenna will solve this problem. Any help?

added:
as of 2am, no Bakersfield or Fresno analog stations have gone off the air yet.

NO! We never have had good luck getting KGPE 47 or KFSN 30, always went to Bakersfield for them. We are behind Mt. Campell, but not real close, so figure that is why the signal is weak.

I called KSEE24 yesterday while at work and they gave me some numbers to call for help. If nothing is beter tonight, I'll put in a call.

Jim. I would definitely suggest plugging your location into TV Fool’s Signal Locator (http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29). It’s beginning to sound like you’re in a shadow. You may need to take some extreme measures to grab a signal. Stokes Mtn and Venice Hill both shadow us but we’ve managed to pick up a usable signal.

Louie, that fluctuating signal level you describe is something I’ve been told is associated with multi-path, where the tuner has problems locking onto one stream. Generally, a more directional antenna would be indicated, but fiddling more with antenna location may pay off.

Yay, I can finally watch ABC HD!

KSEE analog simply switched to a looping informercial about setting up a converter box.

KMPH and KFRE has a screen saying the analog signal has been shut off. Before the switch, the morning crew pressed a fake button causing a clip of a nuclear explosion to appear :p, then got serious and showed the technicians flipping the real switch on the equipment to turn off programming on the analog signal.

KFSN immediately turned off the analog signal after their special newscast. Just as they said, digital 30.1 appeared about 5 minutes later after a channel scan.

KAIL analog 53 looks to be gone as of now. I can barely receive it, but it looks like they just have a static image saying that the analog signal is now gone and to move to 7.1 .

Looks like everyone else except KNSO is turning off their analog signal at 11:59pm.

Louie, that fluctuating signal level you describe is something I’ve been told is associated with multi-path, where the tuner has problems locking onto one stream. Generally, a more directional antenna would be indicated, but fiddling more with antenna location may pay off.

I'll keep messing with it. I think I may have to stick it into the attic.
Could that multi-path problem be caused by all of the tall palm and cedar trees around my house?

Yay, I can finally watch ABC HD!

Yeah, I'm getting KFSN as well. They were using the VHF frequency for their digital signal before the switch. I believe it was channel 9. That's why I wasn't getting the station before the switch. I guess they finally switched their digital signal over to their UHF frequency, channel 30.

NO! We never have had good luck getting KGPE 47 or KFSN 30, always went to Bakersfield for them. We are behind Mt. Campell, but not real close, so figure that is why the signal is weak.

I called KSEE24 yesterday while at work and they gave me some numbers to call for help. If nothing is beter tonight, I'll put in a call.

Adding onto what cocobeli said,
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90
This site will show you the coverage maps and signal quality of all of the channels' towers around your area.

If you live about 2 miles east of the Kings River, Jesse Morrow Mountain and Campbell Mountain are blocking much of the signal from the broadcast towers up north. The only stations that aren't blocked or weakened by those mountains are KVPT, KMPH, KTFF, KNXT, and the Bakersfield channels.

Coverage map of KSEE near Reedley (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8999/shadowg.jpg) Most of the other Fresno stations have similar coverage.

Time to get some dynamite and blow up some mountains. :p

Thanks for the info guys, it helps to clear up things. Still no Bakersfield stations or additional Fresno ones. Soooo looks like we will go antena shopping.

KSEE 24 should be hung out to dry for not telling us that some areas would have problems due to their digital transmiitter location change. They kept on saying everything would be the same only better. In fact, none of the stations said squat about the digital signal being weaker.:mad: We have had the converter box for several months and had no idea there would be problems, or I'd have hooked it up earlier to work out the kinks.

FYI: I can see no improvement on the screen over analog. We have a newer flat screen that was "Digitlal ready", so figure the picture was already enhansed. However my MIL's old TV showed a big change on digital.

I’ve contemplated the dynamite route myself. It might even be a no-lose proposition. If I don’t get caught, I get better reception; if I do get caught, well, I hear they got cable in prison. On second thought… never mind. ;)

We saw a huge improvement in the image when we went all digital, but our analog reception was not so great. I do think the improvement is easier to see as screen size increases.

I see a big difference in quality of standard-definition shows in digital compared to analog. Except for KMPH, every channel had some snow or static in analog, and now, as long as the signal isn't weak, they are clear, though not as pretty as the HD shows.

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Spanish station KFTV had a contest winner literally pull the plug from their station and the analog station immediately went off the air. That was kind of clever of them to do that. KTFF analog is also gone, but their LP station on 41 is still going. KMPH and KFRE analog stations are gone, as are KGPE and KNXT.

The only analog stations left in my area are KTFF-LP on 41, the Cocola crap low-power stations scattered all over, and KNSO and KSEE which both seem to be in "nightlight" mode, playing nonstop informercials about setting up a converter box until who knows when.

There are also two mysterious digital channels with no audio or video sharing the same space as KVPT : 40.8 and 40.9 . What are they suppose to be? :confused:

Rather think it would take a keg or two to do Mt Campbel, but then just where is the right spot? Oh yes, and just who is going to lug them up the slope?

On a serious note: Going to try the amplifier route again, just have to get more cable. But rather think we will have to get a Hi gain antena.

Here we sit broken hearted with not a network in sight. We do enjoiy PBS, but they don't have much in the morning to offer. (Fox does not count as a network, due to the junk they call programing.)

Jim

There are also two mysterious digital channels with no audio or video sharing the same space as KVPT : 40.8 and 40.9 . What are they suppose to be? :confused:

Nothing. They're artifacts of the UpdateTV service. Ignore them.

- Trip

Artifacts? So we don't have the update service here? :(

Visalia people : how well can you pick up digital KNSO and KAIL with regular rabbit ears? Also, is KNSO still on 5 or did they move already to 11?

I helped someone with their converter box and I was shocked to discover that digital KAIL came in clear with just rabbit ears. KNSO on 5 was too weak to get anything and I forgot to check 11.

Yes, you have the UpdateTV service. What I'm mean by "artifacts" is that they're things you're not supposed to be seeing. It does confirm the presence of UpdateTV to me, though.

- Trip

I rescanned all my channels last night. 30 came in fine in the scan but is still out when I selected it with my 722k receiver. Although I get the 52XX equivalent HD channel for KFSN just fine.
Which tells me it is still a Dish problem or I am trying to scan in the wrong channel since the 'transition'.
Since I got the 'k' receiver, with dual OTA input, I did not bother scanning channels into my display. So I have not checked that out but it should work based on what I found so far.

OK..got it! It's channel 30.0 not 30.1 anymore. I noticed on the Dish programming menu, all the local HDs show up on both whole numbers "0.0" as well as "X.1".
Except for KFSN which gives me nothing but a blank screen on 30.1, so 30.0 it is!

Radio Shack advertised a UHF Hi-Gain antenna for about $40. But the only store in the area that carried it was out & said it was being discontinued. The one they offered for $80 looked like the one we use now.

Looked at Best Buy, theirs was $90 for a nice one & balked at payiing that much just yet.

I found two mast extension poles that will raise things up another 8', which should be well above the peak of the roof. When things are down, I'll change over the lead to 75 ohm cable w/the transformer & see how things look from there.

Jim, FWIW, I popped for the big Channel Master CM-3671, amped, on a 60 foot tower to overcome the hills north of us. Maybe it’s overkill, but it’s served us well. What it also is is big, ungainly (physically, not in the RF sense ;)) and pricey. I did manage to DX KSBY analog once, though. :) Now that only KAIL is left on VHF, I might do things differently. I do have a rotor on the CM that sees occasional use since reception seems to change at times owing to weather or vegetation or something, but I keep a separate fixed antenna for Bakersfield.

Good fishing to you!

Radio Shack advertised a UHF Hi-Gain antenna for about $40. But the only store in the area that carried it was out & said it was being discontinued. The one they offered for $80 looked like the one we use now.

Looked at Best Buy, theirs was $90 for a nice one & balked at payiing that much just yet.

I found two mast extension poles that will raise things up another 8', which should be well above the peak of the roof. When things are down, I'll change over the lead to 75 ohm cable w/the transformer & see how things look from there.

I placed a Silver Sensor under my eaves (1 story) aimed east..get everything!
In east Clovis, so likely have less obstructions than some valley locations.

I'm helping some relatives who live near Woodlake. This is what I have done so far.

I put up an old CM 4228 which I got from a neighbor - - it is only about 22' above ground level.

I just ordered yesterday a Winegard AP 4800 Chromstar 2000 UHF Pre Amplifer (this should come in a few days)

My main question is - - - based on TV Fool radar plot most stations are 180 degrees apart. Can I use the Amplified CM 4228 to hopefully get both sides (meaning the 326 and 143 magnetic)? If so which is the best direction to point the antenna 326 or 143?

Also, is the antenna high enough - - - or do I need to go higher?

TIA

I’m not optimistic, but pointing at Fresno (heading 326) is the only option unless you settle for Bakersfield only. If you remove the screen from the antenna, maybe, just maybe, you can get away with a single antenna solution. In my very limited messing, it seems to work out better with digital broadcasts than analog.

My setup (see above) poops out with a Noise Margin = -18.7dB (Pwr = -109.5dBm). That suggests you can pull in both the Fresno and Bakersfield stations, but you may have a project on your hands.

I put a different BALUN on the CM 4228 yesterday and put it back up pointed toward Fresno (326 mag) and scanned again. Here are the channels received without the amp. (Channels with a X-0 are analog still)

7-1 KAIL (MyNetworkTV) (North of my location)
7-2 RTV (Retro Television)
7-4
8-0
13-0
16-0
18-1-3 KVPT (PBS)
21-1 KFTV (North of my location)
26-1 KMPH (North East of my location)
27-0 KJKZ
30-1-3 KFSN (ABC) (North of my location)
32-0 KJEO
33-0
33-1-5 (Many Sub-Channels here)
35-0
43-1-4 KGMC
51-0
59-1 KFRE
61-1

Thus, I getting most of the stations North and North East of Woodlake but none from Bakersfield. So far no NBC or CBS which they would like to receive.

So far I'm pretty happy with the results considering they were only getting one digital station before (only had rabbit ears). :)

New Winegard amp comes tomorrow so I should have a new report Wed. or Thurs.

Good show, chapelrun! I'll be curious to know how things go with the amp.

Not for sure why but I get less channels after installing the Winegard App. In genenal terms without the app I was getting 9 analog and 9 digital channels. Now with the app I'm getting 6 analog and 6 digital.

Possibly the noise ratio on the Winegard is a bit high at 2.7 dB

Does anyone know if the FM trap changes the noise level at all?

At this point I may need to take the app back out.

I did remove the Winegard Amp and rescanned - now I get 10 analog and 9 digital channels - - - similar to what I posted above.

Here is what I think happened.

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/basics.html

Read the section on why not all amplification works about half way down the article.

Not all amplification is created equal - - if I had it to do over again I would have purchased the Channel Master 7775 instead of the Winegard. But they are very happy with the extra channels and really like the RTV (Retro Television)

OK..got it! It's channel 30.0 not 30.1 anymore. I noticed on the Dish programming menu, all the local HDs show up on both whole numbers "0.0" as well as "X.1".
Except for KFSN which gives me nothing but a blank screen on 30.1, so 30.0 it is!

I haven't had a KFSN signal since the transition either, but we haven't watched any network TV in the last few weeks, so we didn't notice. I tried this and my Dish box found 30.0 as well. Strangely enough, my TV in the bedroom with a built in ATSC tuner now shows two 30.1 HD channels, they look identical in the setup menu, but there's no signal on the old 30.1, only the new 30.1 has the KFSN signal. Very strange....wonder why KFSN screwed with their feeds when no other broadcasters in this market did...

Strangely enough, my TV in the bedroom with a built in ATSC tuner now shows two 30.1 HD channels, they look identical in the setup menu, but there's no signal on the old 30.1, only the new 30.1 has the KFSN signal.

We saw that as well. The old 30.1 was the one that broadcast on VHF 9 while the new 30.1 was the ‘new’ one now using UHF 30. Rescanning took the non-op 30.1 off the list.

We saw that as well. The old 30.1 was the one that broadcast on VHF 9 while the new 30.1 was the ‘new’ one now using UHF 30. Rescanning took the non-op 30.1 off the list.

'30' always has to be different! ;)
But at least they are a more 'full-time' HD station.

Over-the-air channel 32 is now digital.

32.1 - NBC Universal Sports at 480i
32.2 - "A1" KJEO-32
32.3 - "Coastal Television Network" KJKZ-27
32.4 - "for lease"

I finally installed my 2-bay UHF antenna in the attic. Even though the antenna is about 50 miles from most of the broadcast towers, the antenna is indoors, and it isn't a 4-bay antenna, I still got between signal quality levels between 75% to 90% for all Fresno market over-the-air UHF stations. :eek: I hope this stays constant.

Is KNSO still on RF 5?

They were supposed to move to 11 in August, but I don't see a covering license filing for it yet.

Look for CW 59 in HD on DIRECTV tomorrow!

PBS next week!

Look for CW 59 in HD on DIRECTV tomorrow!

PBS next week!

This is great news - we just moved to the area and had our dtv hooked up yesterday. I was worried I would have to attempt a difficult and long range ota pbs feed

thanks again for the heads up :)

kvpt 18 hd is now up on Directv.

kvpt 18 hd is now up on Directv.

Just in time for the new Ken Burns film

Thanks for the heads up and thanks dtv

:)

Use this thread to post updates on the status of HDTV in Fresno, CA. There are several other threads with bits and pieces of Fresno information but I think we need one go-to thread that people can post to with information as it becomes available. Right now on Comcast we have:
184 - local ABC affiliate
185- supposed to be NBC but is offline until ?
also have inHD1 and 2
HD-HBO
HD-Showtime
HD-ESPN

Specifically I would be interested in any information on when NBC, PBS, or Discovery HD will come online here. I am also interested in when CBS will happen but apparently that is the least likely due to contract disputes. Anybody?
This is my original post that started this thread 6 years ago. Glad to see we've come a long long way since those early days when HDTV was still a novelty and we could count the HD channels on one hand :)

Rodney,

Agreed. Its been a fun six years, and thanks for starting the thread!

Adam

A new over-the-air channel popped up this week, but it's in Spanish. It's called Estrella TV, and it's found as a substation of KFRE, 59.2.

Did ABC-HD fix the problem where the screen would get fuzzy after the video switched to a screen with a lot of detail? I didn't see any of that in the college football game today.

edit : it still gets fuzzy, but it only lasts for about a 1/4 of a second instead of 4-6 seconds.

KMPH will be doing HD news broadcasts within a month. Nice!

Just in case any local DirecTv customers did not yet notice, both KVPT 18(PBS) & KFRE 59 (CW) HD signals are now available over sat signal. Make adjustments to any guide/channel options, if needed.

Is KNSO still on RF 5?

They were supposed to move to 11 in August, but I don't see a covering license filing for it yet.

The digital OTA lineup for the Fresno market on Silicondust's website (http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:93727#lineup_493471) shows that KNSO is still broadcasting out of channel 5. I don't have a VHF antenna to confirm it, but I know that site updates the listings at least once a week.

update : confirmed, KNSO is still on 5. I somehow caught it on a UHF antenna.

KMPH News is now in HD. I wonder who is next to convert to HD, CBS47 or KSEE24?

KMPH News is now in HD. I wonder who is next to convert to HD, CBS47 or KSEE24?

I saw an ad for KSEE's 7:00 News. The ad shows a living room w/ Steph Baroojian in what appears to be "HD" on a flat screen.

This of course means NOTHING!!

Happened across KMPH's HD news the other night. I rarely watch KMPH News, but the PQ looked good. One remote shot I saw also looked like KMPH got some nicer HD cameras to use out in the field than Ch 30 currently has.

Rego, jbwebb. I am in Bakersfield, And I did notice KMPH 26.1 hd coming in nice. I can not get KSEE, Kfresno 30 or kgpe 47. Yea, KMPH has a nice picture. There all happy at KMPH. No local HD new in Bakersfield yet.

KAIL and KMPH removed their SD versions of the HD channels. KMPH replaced it with thisTV, which is a station of reruns owned by MGM.

I'm surprised at how great the picture of KAIL looks after the digital switchover. A bunch of their reruns are in HD and they don't have that odd fuzzy picture all the time anymore.

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Here are the antennas that I used to successfully receive digital signals from the Fresno stations to Visalia where I am. They are both in the attic of a one-story house, about 15-20 feet from ground level.

Eagle Aspen DTV2BUHF 2-Bay UHF Antenna

and

Channel Master 2016 UHF/VHF-High Antenna

What's funny is that both were rated for reception up to 30 miles, yet here I am about 55 miles from most of the broadcast towers and I'm getting signals at almost to full strength. The reception problems that I had before went away when I stuck them on a post and a mount in the attic. Both antennas being rated red zone (medium directional) for reception might have helped as well. A lack of height was the main problem of bad reception all this time.

Also, I managed to get digital 7 with the UHF-only antenna without problems. :eek: KNSO (still on RF 5 !?) comes in glitchy on the UHF-only antenna, and perfect on the 2016, even though it's not meant for VHF-Low reception.

I watched channel 47 and they were talking about the remodeling of their news set this week. They also mention cool surprises this comming week. I have a feeling their remodeling their news set for HD.

That would be nice if 47 goes to HD news. I use to watch 47 for news but switched to 30 because of HD.

That would be nice if 47 goes to HD news. I use to watch 47 for news but switched to 30 because of HD.

For evening news, I usually go w/ 30 as well. WOuld be cool to see 47 go HD soon.

As for KMPH's 10:00 News, no HD paintjob can fix that horrid hour. But 26's HD news does LOOK nice.

For evening news, I usually go w/ 30 as well. WOuld be cool to see 47 go HD soon.

As for KMPH's 10:00 News, no HD paintjob can fix that horrid hour. But 26's HD news does LOOK nice.

:eek: :D :p

Any locals here w/ DirecTv having constant audio dropouts & other glitches on KSEE 24's primetime HD stuff? Just wonder if it's a D*, NBC or KSEE issue.

Lately, iwhen any NBC show we have DVR-ed gets played I now automatically kick on the subtitles/captions - cuz I know random lines of dialog are gona be lost or garbled.

Any locals here w/ DirecTv having constant audio dropouts & other glitches on KSEE 24's primetime HD stuff? Just wonder if it's a D*, NBC or KSEE issue.

Lately, iwhen any NBC show we have DVR-ed gets played I now automatically kick on the subtitles/captions - cuz I know random lines of dialog are gona be lost or garbled.

I've noticed this a lot as well on episodes of "The Office" that I've DVR'd - I get the annoying audio "brrrps" a lot on those episodes. I do get these time to time on other HD channels on D*, but Channel 24 has been one of the frequent culprits lately. It also seemed like I was watching Sunday Night Football on Channel 24 a few weeks back and the picture was off a bit and I switched over to the antenna feed on 24.1 and everything was okay. Maybe something is off on D*'s HD feed for Channel 24?

I've noticed this a lot as well on episodes of "The Office" that I've DVR'd - I get the annoying audio "brrrps" a lot on those episodes. I do get these time to time on other HD channels on D*, but Channel 24 has been one of the frequent culprits lately. It also seemed like I was watching Sunday Night Football on Channel 24 a few weeks back and the picture was off a bit and I switched over to the antenna feed on 24.1 and everything was okay. Maybe something is off on D*'s HD feed for Channel 24?


Had a similar issue last night while watching last Thursday's FRINGE via KMPH's D* HD signal. Have had them happen w/ ABC as well, but once in a blue moon. Near as I can recall, the only local network HD signal that has not given me fits - at least during the programs I have recorded - is w/ CBS. Ch 47 stuff is generally rock solid.

Perhaps some issue with the local affiliate's D* connection? If it persists, I wonder if notifying both the affiliates & D* would be the way to go.

Glad that I am at least not alone on this - was wondering at one point if it was an issue w/ the HR-20 I currently have.

A friend in Visalia who’s a Comcast subscriber complained to me about this very same phenomenon on 904, (KSEE24 HD) but noted that channel 4 (KSEE24 converted for standard distribution) was fine.

OTA, we’ve been seeing some increase in audio dropouts recently, with KVPT18 and KGPE47 being the worst.

A friend in Visalia who’s a Comcast subscriber complained to me about this very same phenomenon on 904, (KSEE24 HD) but noted that channel 4 (KSEE24 converted for standard distribution) was fine.

OTA, we’ve been seeing some increase in audio dropouts recently, with KVPT18 and KGPE47 being the worst.


Last week's Office/30 Rock HD via D* was again peppered w/ the dropouts. Got better during 30 Rock. This time, however, it was more than just audio - video issues came hand in hand w/ the dropouts. Same as with the FRINGE ep I mentioned last post.

Off the top of my head, there are only a couple of CBS shows we record (HIMYM, Old Christine) - neither of those via D* have had any major issues that I recall. KFSN 30's ABC HD lineup has been fine as of late, too. V & FLASH FORWARD have been fine when we go to watch those recordings.

Main offender is KSEE 24 NBC HD stuff, and the issues w/ last week's FRINGE HD from KMPH 26.

I imagine that D*, Comcast, et al are having issues sending the network HD feed they get to the various cable/sat distributors.